Tier1 Podcast Episode Summary
Episode Title: Navy Seal Still Fighting | Bill Brown
Date: February 23, 2026
Host: Brent Tucker
Guest: Bill Brown, Jr.
Producer: Drew Tucker
Episode Overview
This episode of the Tier1 Podcast, hosted by former Delta Force Operator Brent Tucker, features Bill Brown, Jr.—a former Navy SEAL and current lawyer advocating for American values with the Politore Law Group. The conversation delves deep into Bill’s journey: from a troubled youth, through rigorous SEAL training and combat deployments, to his advocacy work and legal battles for American veterans’ rights and values. The discussion highlights themes of patriotism, responsibility, team culture, the fight for free speech, legal reform, and the importance of speaking up against cultural and institutional challenges.
Key Discussion Points and Insights
1. Patriotism, Values, and the State of the Country
- The hosts and Bill discuss concerns over the erosion of traditional American values, highlighting the importance of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (03:59).
- Tucker and Brown lament the spread of ideologies they view as antithetical to American principles, stressing the country’s role in global progress and freedom (04:02–06:45).
- Bill Brown: “When you want to talk about freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, due process, equality, we started that.” (05:07)
- Both emphasize the need for those who served—veterans, law enforcement, first responders—to speak up and be the “adults in the room” using logic, facts, and courage (07:41–08:00).
2. Bill Brown’s Path to the SEALs (08:21–13:32)
- Bill joined the Navy in 1997, coming from a long line of military veterans and credits the service with saving his life after a troubled, “rough and tumble” youth involving time in juvenile detention (08:29).
- He speaks candidly about not excelling academically prior to service and how BUD/S (SEAL training) instilled responsibility, humility, and the drive to self-improve.
- “I was kind of a rock...The Navy saved my life.” (09:00)
- The military, he notes, builds you up with positive peer pressure and responsibility, forging strong, growth-oriented relationships that cut across backgrounds and regions (11:03–13:32).
3. SEAL Training: Structure and Hard Lessons (16:41–38:00)
- BUD/S Phases Breakdown:
- First Phase: "The beatdown phase" – focus on endurance, competition, and teamwork, with strong incentives to win (18:54–21:51).
- Second Phase: Dive phase—pool comp, stress management underwater, tactical dives (22:03–28:35).
- Third Phase: Land warfare, small unit tactics, firearms training—Brown describes this as the most enjoyable.
- Memorable moment: Bill recounts going through BUD/S with David Goggins:
- “Having a motor like David Goggins in your boat crew paid off for everybody.” (19:09)
- He highlights the dynamic diversity of the SEAL pipeline, mentioning learning from teammates with varied backgrounds and skillsets.
4. Lessons from Team Culture and Mistakes (33:07–38:00)
- Bill shares stories about team discipline, mistakes, and “tough love” that corrected his own behavior, including a rough incident with platoon mates after a drinking mishap in Germany.
- “They roughed me up...But after I got teed up, I never had another alcohol related incident.” (34:49–35:02)
- Emphasis is placed on the team’s role in forging accountability, allowing for mistakes, but placing importance on not repeating them.
5. SEAL Team Structure and Deployments (38:50–54:00)
- Bill explains the structure and history of SEAL teams (west coast = odd-numbers, east coast = even).
- He describes his time with SEAL Team 8, with details on operational structure and platoon organization (41:22–44:07).
- Bill’s specializations included being a comms guy, JTAC, diver, Hurst/castmaster, and breacher.
6. Iraq Deployment Experience (48:38–54:08)
- Bill’s 2004–2005 Iraq deployment involved providing Personal Security Detail (PSD) for senior Iraqi dignitaries and monitoring their activities, often working alongside agency personnel.
- He describes the complexities of managing security in coordination (and sometimes contention) with local Iraqi forces and navigating environments where influence and alliances were fluid.
- Bill reflects on being a first responder to suicide bombings and the initial optimism and investment among SEALs, many of whom saw potential and belief in Iraq’s future.
- "We believed in it. The guys…they were investing a shit ton of money in dinars. Because they thought, look, it's just—it's got a state, it's got a stable resource. We can stabilize this." (55:13)
7. Reflections on the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars (54:11–63:05)
- Bill contrasts the “success” of Iraq (relative stabilization, expanded rights) with the collapse in Afghanistan after 2021, critiquing military and political leadership for strategic failures and lack of accountability.
- “They humiliated us on a world stage and not one general paid the price for that.” (58:53)
- Discussion includes advocacy for honest, logic-driven debate within the military and government, and the cultural divide over how dissent is handled.
8. Transition to Civilian Life and Legal Career (65:26–79:11)
- After eight years as a SEAL and three deployments, Bill left active service planning to return but was drawn into education and then law (66:01–66:44).
- He details the challenges and culture shock of being a non-traditional student—older, more experienced—in an environment of younger, often left-leaning peers and professors (67:10–68:44).
- Bill advocates for “adventure therapy” and urges veterans to pursue educational goals for structure and transition.
- “For me…the other thing is when I was going to college, it kept my mind positive… I had a goal.” (69:25–69:50)
- Inspired by constitutional law classes, Bill pursued law school, focusing on commercial litigation rather than family or criminal law for its relative objectivity.
- “The individual's rights are sacred. That's so beautiful to me.” (71:52)
- He shares the moral dilemmas faced working in law firms pushing social agendas, describing being effectively forced onto cases defending the Catholic Church in molestation lawsuits as punitive assignment—an experience that changed his views on courage and advocacy.
- “They put my nose in shit...But the lesson they thought they were going to teach me, it's not the lesson I learned. I learned from those victims who, who stood up.” (83:44–84:02)
9. Advocacy for Veterans’ Rights and Legal Reform (90:57–95:36)
- Bill discusses his lawsuit challenging the omission of veterans as a protected class under New Jersey law, and his campaign to pass new legislation.
- Memorable protest: “Stop sitting on these bills. Do rights for veterans.” (95:03)
- Through organizing, protests, and media attention, the law was successfully passed to protect veterans’ employment rights.
10. The New York City SEAL Swim (96:39–110:35)
- Bill founded the NYC SEAL Swim, an annual open-water event honoring 9/11 victims, veterans, and America’s diversity. The swim traverses the Hudson to the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island, then culminates at Ground Zero.
- Symbolic acts: 100 pushups & 22 pullups for each portion to honor veterans and those lost on 9/11 (103:01).
- “When you get a bunch of war fighters together that are going to do something like this, you're going to get media attention, which helps us send that message.” (102:30)
- The event also funds veteran charities and provides healing and unity, blending athletic challenge with remembrance and positive messaging.
11. The Call to Stand Up—Current and Future Mission (112:05–114:13)
- Bill’s closing message urges listeners, especially veterans and first responders, to “fight like someone’s trying to take your wife away”—to speak up and act while it can make a difference.
- “I thoroughly believe our country's in trouble… The time to speak up, like, I honestly say this, you gotta fight like someone's got trying to take your wife away. Right? Because our freedoms are like in jeopardy.” (112:05)
- The hosts agree, stressing that the fight for values and reason isn't lost if people are willing to stand.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On the power of positive peer groups:
“Show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you are.” — Brent Tucker (15:11) -
On military camaraderie:
“All boats rise together.” — Bill Brown, Jr. (13:32) -
On the value of making mistakes, team accountability, and moving forward:
“No one expects you to be perfect...Just don't make the same mistake twice.” — Brent Tucker (35:06) -
On the realities of war and leadership’s failures:
“They humiliated us on a world stage and not one general paid the price for that.” — Brent Tucker (58:53) -
On legal reform and veterans’ rights:
“Now veterans are a protected class. And you know what it reminds me of? … that revolutionary flag…don’t tread on me.” — Bill Brown, Jr. (96:04) -
On corporate culture and free speech:
“They want to promote one thing and then they want to step on another.” — Bill Brown, Jr. (83:17) -
On taking action:
“Nothing is lost as long as good men and women and willingness stand up. Nothing.” — Bill Brown, Jr. (114:08)
Important Timestamps for Content Segments
| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|-------| | 02:16 | Introduction of Bill Brown, Jr. | | 04:02 | American values/patriotism discussion | | 08:29 | Bill’s background and joining Navy SEALs | | 16:41 | Life lessons and relationships in SOF | | 18:54 | BUD/S boat crews and David Goggins anecdotes | | 20:35 | SEAL training phases explained | | 33:07 | Hard lessons in SEALs and BUD/S culture | | 38:50 | SEAL team structure/explanation | | 48:38 | Iraq deployment—PSD & local dynamics | | 54:11 | Reflections on Iraq/Afghanistan | | 65:26 | Transition to civilian life and education | | 71:52 | Inspiration from constitutional law | | 78:59 | Professional/cultural challenges as lawyer | | 90:57 | Legal advocacy for veterans as protected class | | 96:39 | Founding the New York City SEAL Swim | | 112:05 | Closing message—call to action for American values |
Final Thoughts
This episode stands out for its raw candor and motivational honesty. Bill Brown’s journey exemplifies hard-won transformation—from troubled youth to elite warrior, to advocate and protector in a different battlefield. The spirited and sometimes emotional discussion between soldiers-turned-citizens will resonate with veterans and civilians alike, highlighting the enduring importance of principled leadership, brotherhood, and civic action.
Listen to the Full Episode for
- Gripping personal stories from BUD/S and Iraq
- Behind-the-scenes team culture of special operations
- Insights on the intersection of patriotism, legal reform, and personal responsibility
- Inspiration to “wake the sleeping giant” and defend American values
For more info on the NYC SEAL Swim or to connect with Bill Brown, visit [links as referenced in the show].