The All Tier1 Live | Chris Fettes & Brent Tucker

Summary

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The All Tier1 Live | Chris Fettes & Brent Tucker (May 15, 2026)

Overview

This live episode of the Tier1 Podcast brings together two elite special operations veterans: host Brent Tucker (former Delta Force) and guest Chris Fettes (SEAL Team 6), with appearances from Chris’s sons Braddock and Ethan, and friends Magnet (Lion Arms) and producer Drew Tucker. The conversation dives deep into the realities of Tier 1 missions, the unique brotherhood among special operations units, leadership, and the experience of transitioning into civilian life. The episode is fast-paced, heavily audience-driven via live super chats, and infused with humor, blunt honesty, and authentic camaraderie.

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Main Discussion Points & Highlights

1. A Rare Conversation: Delta and SEAL Team 6 Together

• (03:01) Brent: "Name another show that has a SEAL Team 6 operator, an adult [Delta] force operator in the same room at the same time... That's pretty unique."
• Opens emphasizing how unusual and valuable it is to have both communities represented candidly in one space.
• The hosts riff, joke, and invite audience questions, showing off rare, unscripted interplay between Delta and DEVGRU cultures.

2. Family in the Room: Conversations With the Next Generation

• (04:23) Chris and Brent engage Chris’s sons, Braddock and Ethan, about what they think SEAL Team 6 does. The boys reference video games and pop culture ("Call of Duty"), highlighting the generational knowledge gap and playful teasing.
• Legacy: Chris points out it's special for his boys to have a record of their experiences as children in this setting.

3. Respect Across Uniforms: Special Operations vs. First Responders

• (07:00) Chris bemoans that special operations stories get more attention than those from firefighters and first responders:
  • "I love the respect of special operations... but I hate that that respect doesn't get spread out."
  • Highlights a theme: respect for all who serve, not just SOF.

4. Gear Talk: Night Vision Giveaways & Reviews

• (09:20) Chris discusses giving away digital panoramic night vision goggles (panos) via Patreon, reviewing cheaper versions:
  • They're good for the price if enhanced with an IR flood, but "We're not taking them on hostage rescue, like missions".
  • Compares analog and digital night vision—analog holds up better in low light; digital's affordable for hunters or rec users.
• Practical operator insight into evolving gear and its limitations.

5. Team Attitudes and “Arrogance” Post-Selection

• (13:18) Brent (on SEAL Team 6 and Delta culture): "It's professional confidence that's better than insecure arrogance."
  • Both explain that some arrogance is built in during Tier 1 “selection” but quickly gets checked by older teammates.
  • Chris: "I don't think coming to the unit made them arrogant... guys who were arrogant at the unit were already arrogant before."
  • Intricate balance: confidence vs. humility cultivated by genuine experience and team culture.

Notable Quote

• Brent (14:07): “Professional confidence is better than insecure arrogance.”

6. Navigating Media, Whistleblowing, and War Journalism

• (18:24) Brent responds to questions on whistleblowers and war crimes books about SEAL Team 6:
  • He disagrees with the method of how whistleblowing was handled, questioning the accuracy and motivations behind such exposés.
  • Chris emphasizes that "situational context is very important... there's a story to every unit on every deployment and every mission."
• They cover the nuance behind civilian reporting on highly classified, ethically grey operations, noting missing context can be damaging.

Notable Moment

• Brent (22:05): “Do not risk your chance of being a husband, a son, a father for my body if I’m dead. Don’t. But that’s hard for guys to let go.”

7. On Rob O’Neill, Team Storytelling, and Integrity

• (24:51) Discussion of Rob O’Neill, author and media personality claiming to have killed Bin Laden:
  • Brent: “There’s many layers of that… what matters is integrity because this gets written into history.”
  • Both emphasize the importance of getting team stories right for posterity, but also of respecting each individual veteran’s journey.

8. Draft Dodging & Obligations of Citizenship

• (26:13) Chris suggests consequences like jail time and losing voting rights for dodging a draft, with an emphasis on finding ways to serve (not just combat roles).
  • Brent and Chris both stress national service isn't just fighting but being willing to serve when called, whether as a medic, nurse, etc.

9. Team Pranks & Brotherhood Humor

• (35:51) Extended stories about legendary pranks: flashbangs in the latrine, booby-traps, “shredder bombs,” and the classic “toothbrush revenge.”
  • Brent (45:12): “Cameron… colonoscopies himself with [the prankster’s] toothbrush, then puts it back. The ops room almost collapsed.”

Superb Anecdote

• Chris (40:33): “Someone had hit a flashbang... underneath the stall while I was reading a magazine... I thought we got hit by a mortar. I wasn’t real happy about that.”

10. Culture: Team Dynamics, Hazing (“Consequences”), and New Guy Mentality

• Candid discussion about hazing, consequences for arrogance/failure, and the evolution of expectations for new operators.
  • Both recall personal mistakes, resulting consequences—even captain's mast (SEAL disciplinary action)—and lessons learned from them.

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Key Audience Questions (Live Super Chats)

Notable Q&As with Timestamps:

Team vs. Team: SEAL Team 6 vs Delta

• (72:15) Drew: "What’s the biggest difference in Development Group and Delta?"
  • Brent: "Major difference? Our barrel nod [sweeping gun in room clearing] vs. your head nod. Also, we’re at the beach—little more relaxed. Personality-wise, you guys are more stoic, we’re a little more playful."
  • Chris: "Structurally, our units are more similar than different. The rivalry is overblown. We're all about 90% the same."

"Is it possible to be vegan in Tier 1 units?"

• (61:44) Brent: "You just can’t. You gotta fit in. You’ll never be respected by the team."
• (62:05) Drew jokes: "You bounce a check, 'shoulda eaten more burgers.'"

ROE (Rules of Engagement), Bureaucracy, and Frustration

• (91:56) Brent: "It got... restricted. In Afghanistan, guys had to bring partner forces that made things dangerous. Even in legit Somalia ISIS ops, we just take them to the CCP—partner force has to clear the target. It's tough."
• Chris: "Military bureaucracy is the hardest enemy when the dogs of war aren’t fully released."

Civilian Life Post-Service: Which is Harder?

• (67:11) Chris: "Combat is hard, but simple. Life is easy, but complicated."
• Brent: "You get conditioned to it [combat]. The struggle after is purpose."

Did enemies ever impress you with courage?

• (68:54) Brent: "Chechen fighters, for sure. Iraq and Afghanistan, not as much—plenty of hard talk, but first to drop their weapons when we showed up."

SAS/International Exchange

• (121:36) Chris: "SAS guys I worked with were solid. Exchanges are usually sending your best guys, so you get the best. SBS guys that attached with us, always awesome."

Parenting, Example, and Work Ethic

• (134:51) Brent: "By example, not just words. You have the discipline yourself to do what you want them to do."

Best/Worst Environments

• (120:17) Brent: "Mountains in Somalia. Over 100 degrees at night, mortars every night, and mosquitos so thick it was a blanket on my net."

CQB: Who's better, Delta or DEVGRU?

• (158:33) Brent: "I think Delta edges us out right now in CQB, mostly from the sheer diversity and availability of their training ranges."
• Chris: "We’re all at the highest level. Location and repetition make for marginal differences; it could easily flip if our locations changed."

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Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Professional confidence is better than insecure arrogance." — Brent (14:07)
• "Combat is hard but simple. Life is easy, but complicated." — Chris (67:11)
• "There's a story to every unit, every mission, that never gets told in some book." — Chris (20:06)
• "Best SEAL I ever worked for was my first platoon chief at Team 10. It didn’t have to do with skill, but with who he was and the way he led." — Brent (13:18)
• "If you don't answer the call when your nation needs you, you lose your vote. There are so many ways to serve without fighting." — Chris (27:27)

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Additional Noteworthy Segments

Parenting, Legacy, and Personal Life

• Multiple heartfelt moments with Chris’s kids on the mic, discussing discipline, being grounded for cursing, and the value of legacy ("this is on YouTube forever").
• (89:36) Ethan’s worst punishment: "Sitting in my room for two hours for cursing."
• (135:08) Brent on raising boys: "If you want your sons to be strong men—do by example."

Dealing With Online Drama and Criticism

• (49:44) Chris and Brent urge empathy and caution about judging public, personal family disputes (specifically referencing DJ Shipley’s family)—pointing out that the truth is layered and complex, and the focus should remain on one’s direct experience.

Transition to Business/Entrepreneurship

• Chris is launching a new ice cream brand, "Be Free Ice Cream," focused on inclusivity and joy despite differences.
• (54:17) “Our goal was full milk fat ice cream, awesome flavors, story and history behind it…when you come in, you leave [the world’s division] behind and we all just eat ice cream.”
• Plans for veteran and community ice cream events discussed.

Humor & Banter

• Multiple running gags about pushups, beard-growing (only women and children don't have beards!), and who can do more pull-ups.
• (80:28) Ethan’s pull-ups: "Like 25, 30." Chris: "Now you're going Tim Kennedy on me!"

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Useful Timestamps for New Listeners

• [03:01] – Unique crossover of Delta and DEVGRU
• [13:18] – Arrogance vs confidence inside Tier 1
• [18:24] – War journalism/book controversy, context in reporting
• [24:51] – Rob O’Neill, story integrity
• [35:51] – Legendary prank stories in selection/teams
• [67:11] – Combat vs. civilian life
• [72:15] – SEAL Team 6 vs. Delta: biggest differences
• [120:17] – Most miserable deployment environments
• [134:51] – On raising strong sons
• [158:33] – CQB: who edges who and why

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Conclusion & Final Takeaways

This episode stands out for its unfiltered mix of camaraderie, real-world experience, brutal honesty, and generous humor. The hosts and guests impart valuable leadership insights, debunk myths about Tier 1 culture, and directly answer tough audience questions about warfare, ethics, and life after service. The family-centric moments and entrepreneur stories provide a rare window into the human side of “super soldiers.”

Best summary for new listeners:
If you want to understand the mindset of America’s most elite warriors—how they think about brotherhood, humility, pranks, war, the media, and raising the next generation—this episode is a masterclass, full of wisdom, laughs, and authenticity.

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Transcript

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[Chris]

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[Chris]

Let's do it. Welcome back to another episode of the Tier one Podcast Live. You know what that means. It is Thursday night. It's for the Patriots. Right next to me, I have fellow Tier one operator Chris Fetus. We also have over on the couch, some special guests. We have his sons, Braddock and Ethan. Say hi, boys. What's up? What's up? Perfect. Love the enthusiasm. Maybe it's because they're sitting next to Magnet, as always. On the couch, we have Magnet from Lion Arms. And behind the scenes, making it all happen, we have my older brother, Drew Tucker.

[Drew]

What's up?

[Brent]

Older brothers are cool.

[Chris]

See what kind of energy you boys brought? You gotta. You gotta. You got to pump that up.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Chris]

All right, Drew, let's go. All right, here we go. I'm just gonna relight this thing with the old. Oh, is that a flashbang lighter noise? Kind of. Drew. Drew just brought that in.

[Drew]

Happy birthday.

[Chris]

Don't start that again. When. When you told everyone last week it was gonna be my birthday, they. They remembered. And it's. It's. It was humbling the amount of people who said, happy birthday to me.

[Brent]

Nice.

[Drew]

Nice.

[Chris]

Thank you. But I'm not a chick. It's not my birthday week. The birth, the birthday is over. In fact, we celebrated it Saturday, and when Monday came around my actual birthday, I forgot it was my birthday. It's such an old man thing yesterday. It's such an old man thing to do, but it's. But it's absolutely true. Anyway, we got this. I'm tell you, I. I'm excited about this. Like, really. I don't. I don't think you. You realize, Chris, and not to, like, hype it up too much, but, I mean, if you think about it, this. Name another show that has a SEAL Team 6 operator, an adult force operator in the same room at the same time. And you can ask them questions like if you want to. That's pretty.

[Brent]

That's pretty.

[Chris]

It's pretty unique. It's pretty unique. I know it's hard to say humble and talk about that, but it. But it's true.

[Brent]

We're better.

[Chris]

Oh, I can only imagine the super chats that are. That are coming. I. I am here for it. I'm here for it. I. Right off the bat, I got a question for the boys.

[Brent]

Oh.

[Chris]

Oh, can you turn on there? Can you turn on that light? Just. Yeah, Yep. Turn on one of those lights. It'll have the. The light right above your head will turn on next one. There you go, Braddock. Back to you. This question. This question is for Braddock. What is it. What is it that you think your. Your. Your dad did? Right into the mic. Bring the swing mic over? No, no, it's easier to bring the mic to your mouth.

[Brent]

SEAL Team six.

[Chris]

What. What do you think SEAL Team six does?

[Brent]

They go on missions and kill people.

[Chris]

Not bad.

[Brent]

And rescue people.

[Chris]

Not bad.

[Drew]

And rescue.

[Chris]

Not bad.

[Drew]

Nice.

[Chris]

What do you think, Ethan? It's. It's your turn. Swing it over to him. What do you think makes Seal team 6 different than other Seal teams? Can you take a. Can you take a. A whack at that?

[Brent]

They're stronger.

[Chris]

Stronger. I'll take that. I'll take that. I like. I like that. Would you say you learned about SEAL Team six from your data? More from your data. From video games.

[Brent]

Video games.

[Chris]

I love it. Braddock, do you play any video games that have Seal Team 6 in it?

[Brent]

Call of Duty.

[Chris]

Call of Duty. All right. How long you been playing Call of Duty?

[Brent]

Not that long. Like four years.

[Chris]

Not that long. How old are you?

[Brent]

Thirteen.

[Chris]

Yeah. For 25 of your life, you've been playing that game.

[Drew]

That's.

[Chris]

That's.

[Drew]

You got more deployments than Brent. All right.

[Chris]

Won't embarrass you too much. We're gonna come back to you. I appreciate. I appreciate. I think it's really cool that. That you brought your kids.

[Brent]

I think it's awesome. Not planned until you. I was like, dude, the scheduling wife's out of town. Not sure how I'm gonna do it. Might have to postpone again. Why don't you bring him?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

That's an epic idea. We love that.

[Chris]

The old two for.

[Brent]

Yeah. I love talking about them. So now it's like, we can have them. It's awesome.

[Chris]

Yeah, I think that's super cool. And also be super cool because one, it'll be really cool right now, but as they get older, they'll. This lives on the Internet forever. And then they'll go back to that and be like, oh, man. Yeah, that was, that was me answering that on a, on a YouTube episode that. That lives. But you guys have not embarrassed yourself. I'm just saying anytime you look back at yourself when you're younger, you're like, did I really look like that? Did I really sound like that?

[Brent]

Yeah, legacy stuff. Like it.

[Chris]

Heck, if it makes you feel better, I still watch current episodes of myself and I go, do I really look like that? Do I really sound like that?

[Brent]

A couple years go by and it just evolves. But that's we're supposed to be doing for sure.

[Chris]

Hey, there, there's. We're going to, we're going to try to stay ahead of the, of the super chats. We stay ahead of it. We'll spend a little bit more time with super chats. I do have some videos that I want to, to get to as well, but let's, let's start out with it. Drew, what do you got?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

All right, we got just another 11 Bravo back in again. Brothers, thank you so much for the love. Getting in early with my fine for offending the firefighters last week.

[Chris]

I don't think anyone offended those firefighters last week. I telling you, that is one of those things. And, and you know, we've talked enough between phone conversations and, and, and here this is what irritates me to, to some degree. I could have. You can make it up. I have a guest here and his name can, you know, or it's. He can be a former unit Ranger guy, Green Beret, seal, whatever it is, and tons of people are going to tune into that. We had three,

[Brent]

four.

[Chris]

Jason, we had four firefighters from Georgia come in last week. Four firefighters. You. It was, it was just like nothing but, you know, harassing each other stories. It was such a good time. And that. And that won't get a third of the views because it's first responder focus and not special operation. And then to that. I love the respect of special operations. I do. But I hate sometimes that it, that that respect doesn't get spread out.

[Brent]

Absolutely.

[Chris]

That it should be.

[Brent]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chris]

I hate it. But if anyone, if you're watching this and you didn't go, if you didn't see Catch last week's live, it was a dang good time. Just a bunch of good old boys.

[Brent]

My personal favorite show ever of all time was Rescue Me.

[Chris]

Was it really? You know, we. Of course, that's. That's always cool to talk to them because we're all similar. We're all a little different. And I was like, what. What TV shows do you guys watch? You know, do you watch firefighter shows? I'm sure you do. I'm sure you critique them or. And some guys of ours. Some. Some of us watch military shows, and some of them can't because they're like. It's just.

[Brent]

It's more frustrating to watch the ones that you do in your life. It's more fun for me to watch the ones that I want to know more like what they're. What theirs is like.

[Chris]

If I remember right, they had. They had high regards for. For Rescue Me. Was Rescue Me one of the ones they liked?

[Brent]

I love that show.

[Chris]

Was it Chicago Fire? Another one? They hated that one. They hated that one. Yeah.

[Brent]

Hated it.

[Chris]

All right, what else we got?

[Drew]

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[Chris]

Chris? I don't know If. If, you know, I. I'll let you. I'll let you.

[Brent]

Is there a cigar in that helmet?

[Chris]

That's a good question. Yes. That's a little. Maybe too front and center. But I'll. I'll tell you what I'm doing here. The. We do a giveaway on our. On our Patreon, and this is the most painful one for me. Oh, I. I really wanted to buy panos and then do, like, the cheapest pair of panos that. That I could find, but then do a review on them, because I want to make a video and do a review on them. And then I was going to give them away to our Patreon, so they finally came in. That's them. The cheapest ones I could find were still four grand and. But they're digital panos.

[Brent]

Oh, what's that mean?

[Chris]

So there. It's like a. It's.

[Brent]

Sorry.

[Chris]

It's almost the same if. If you've ever had, like, a camera, like a regular camera that has, like, night vision in it. That's digital night vision. So it doesn't have the long tube intensifiers that. That we have. And I'll save a little bit for, you know, the review questions. Yeah. And here's. Here's what I'll say about them. I could. And you could. We could tear these things apart and be like that.

[Brent]

But could I Operate in them.

[Chris]

Right. We're not taking them on hostage rescue, like missions. Like at some point had to like realize, hey, like, what are we using these, these, these nods for? You know, are they for the, you know, the, the average hunter? I'll go over a few things here. I'll do a full video here. Here's some things that I didn't know because I never messed with digital night vision.

[Brent]

But we used to take the 18s green, fuzzy on hostage rescues. That's all we had, so.

[Chris]

That's right, that's right. When, when you have analog night vision, almost like if we go in that garage and it goes night time, I close the garage, of course they're going to get fuzzy. You can still see what's going on, you know. Of course you add IR and everything's clear again. You get too dark on those, they just pretty quick, they'll, they'll just kind of. I shouldn't say shut off, but they go. They kind of gray out on you. So they definitely need IR light more. But that doesn't mean, I mean, I'm talking about like a real dark scenario.

[Brent]

Yeah, dark.

[Chris]

Generally speaking, they're, they're fine.

[Brent]

Yeah. It's not like I'm going to take them as I give a wing four grand panels.

[Chris]

Right. But I'm telling you, I mean, and then, and I'm, I had to figure that out, so. Well, let me put a fix on this. I bought a hundred dollar IR flood and, and laser pointer for, for my gun to be like, well, now I need IR light. Let me see what. Let me mix like, you know, cheap things and see if they work. And as soon as I added an IR flood. They're. They're abs. They're, they're. They're good. Yeah, they're good.

[Brent]

It's good to test out all levels.

[Chris]

Yeah. So I'm actually, I'm actually really excited about that. It's cool to kind of still show the difference between that and high end stuff. And there's a few more I'll, I'll save for the, for the show. But that's what those are. Those are for you, Patreon. For. Well, for one of you. They're for one of you. And I'll, I'll. You'll get a lot more details coming up. What else we got for the super chats, Drew?

[Drew]

Joe Williams says fresh box of alphas arrived. Time to light one up and watch the show. Cheers from Cali.

[Brent]

I need to try these things.

[Chris]

Yeah. Drew, did you bring any of the

[Drew]

flavored ones tonight by chance, you know I did.

[Chris]

All right. All right, we'll post a little post show quality control.

[Drew]

This is great. Brian. Get all the dumb questions out of the way for make it good for the rest of the show. All right, Sully, 1, 2, 3, 4 says do Seal Team 6 look down on regular seals. Seal Mike Ritland says most Seal Team 6 guys, if he knew them before Seal Team 6 way they acted after was arrogant. SEALS in his platoon thought same and they talk about it.

[Chris]

You want me to answer that?

[Brent]

You can ask me some Delta.

[Chris]

I'll take the SEAL questions.

[Drew]

That'd be funny.

[Brent]

The answer is when I was a newer young guy. When you come out of those selections, they do a great job at breaking you down and then building all the way up even into like some arrogance. And so I think that it, it has to work that way. Like we talked about that earlier, you have to have that. But I think that it's professional confidence is better than insecure arrogance. And so I have to say that I did act that maybe a little bit before. I quickly got molded into shape by the older guys to go. You don't. That's not the mindset. And some of the best seals I know, the best. I've talked about this before. The best SEAL that I ever worked for was my first platoon chief at T10. Regardless. And it didn't have to do with the skill differences. It had to do with who he was and the way that he led and what I learned from that.

[Chris]

I got a question for you to kind of expound on that because there's, there's part of this that, that I believe happens when you go over to that side. You know, usually you just kind of disappear. And, and because you're so busy like that is you just not. Because you want to. You disappear. And if you do run into them. This is where it sounds arrogant, but it's not. But I'm just going to say it bluntly for, for time's sake. There's not a lot I can talk to you about. You know, I mean, and, and some, and some of it's on me. If we small talk long enough, I'm, I'm a little bit afraid you're gonna ask me things and, and I'm gonna have to be a, you know, a, a jerk and be like, I can't talk about that. And so I just kind of make it quick and you know, and I keep moving. But, and that gets, and I think that's. That gets sometimes portrayed as arrogance. You Think some of that happens as well.

[Brent]

I think a little bit depends on who it is, because there's other times I ran into guys and was like, dude, it's been. You know, and it was because we were in some hot, you know, some. Some heavy combat, you know, but there's other guys where I wasn't just training. Like, hey, you see him around? I. I got the reverse of that when I was at. When I was at an outstation for a quick turn on an op when I was a Devereux guy, and I saw a guy I was in buds with, and he had gotten out and become an agency guy.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Brent]

And under, you know, pseudo name. And I was like, dude. And I said his name, and he was like, whoa, hey, not who I am anymore. And I was like, dude, there's nobody. There's no.

[Chris]

Like, just. Plus, your hops aren't darker than my ops. Yeah.

[Brent]

And he was newer in that. And I just was like, all right, nice to see you again. I'm not calling you that.

[Chris]

Right. I'm just gonna call your name again.

[Drew]

Just.

[Chris]

Just talking this one out. I don't think. Unless you had, like, some sort of, like, Napoleon syndrome, I don't think anyone became arrogant when they came to the unit. And we did have some arrogant guys at the unit. They were arrogant before they came to the unit.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

I don't think that coming to the unit made them arrogant, but what do you think about that as a whole?

[Brent]

When I. When I got to team 10, I was arrogant and was doing too much and got in trouble immediately. So I learned from that. When I went to Deborah, there really was no time to do anything but shut up and listen.

[Chris]

All right. Oh, man. Now I. I feel like I should put a super chat in for you. I know it's. It's team specific, troops specific, even squadron specific. When you were a new guy, were you. Were you able to ask questions? Whether you did or didn't, was the culture. Were you able to. Or was it. It was understood, don't ask questions, shut up and listen, New guy.

[Brent]

It was a little bit of both. More. More. Started off with shut up and learn, especially with me, because I got in trouble right off the bat. So it's like, you especially will shut up and learn the rest of this. 18 months. And I was like, noted. And, you know, there's some pretty epic hazing. Captain's mask. Right off the bat was the first thing I got into. First trip of the whole workup. Just trying to be too cool. So the other guy I was in trouble with quit and turned in his trident because it was so bad of like the really exhaustion from just what we had to deal with from that. And I don't like using the, the hazing word. It was like, you know, it was, it was consequences.

[Chris]

Yeah, I know. I do hate. They. They've taken that from us. They've taken the word hazing as, as a bad thing to write about.

[Brent]

Consequences.

[Chris]

Right? It's consequences. Absolutely. When properly applied.

[Brent]

That's.

[Chris]

That's what it is. All right, what else we got?

[Brent]

You guys have consequences.

[Chris]

We're getting to that.

[Drew]

All right, we got solely 1, 2, 3. Fizz says journalist Matt Cole did war crime book on Seal Team 6. Brent said it was good. Seal Team 6 guys whistled blue to him. Your thoughts? Do you disagree with Seal Team 6 who whistle blue?

[Brent]

Who what say the question. Who. What's the question in the. In about the book?

[Drew]

That's right. There's. Do you agree I guess with the guys who whistle blue?

[Brent]

Oh, I.

[Drew]

Some war crimes or whatever.

[Brent]

I disagree with them only because of the way they went about it. There's some truth to some of those things, but there's a lot of untruth because I believe that the people that did that were disgruntled Ronald. About things or their, their own personal standings or situations from, from what I learned.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Ask a guy named Eddie Gallagher. He knows all about that.

[Brent]

Yeah. And you know that that sucks is you give everything into that. And then I, you know, I just. So I disagreed and at the same time that dude as a journalist, I did not feel like he had an agenda that was I think caused him to not do enough investigative reporting into that and go with more opinion based tone in that.

[Chris]

You know, I. There's.

[Brent]

And he doesn't understand war. It's hard to explain to people that don't understand war.

[Chris]

So they don't want to watch your episode with David Hookstead. And I stand by what I said to some degree. I did say it was a good book because what it every. From what I knew of everything he said was true. Well, I'd say everything. Well, you know I can't say everything you say was true of what I know of what I knew to be true. I was like, yeah, that that happened. Of course I also on that episode when asked about it, I said, well, some of these things. Some of these things happen. But what do you. You're mad. That savages are acting like savages is one thing I don't. That I don't personally have A problem with. On some things, but something you said on. On David Hookstead's show is it can be. It can be factually right, but missing context.

[Brent]

That's what I was about to say.

[Chris]

Yeah. Yeah, go ahead with that.

[Brent]

Situational context. Not. Not in an effort to justify any given thing, but situational context is very important, especially regarding war and combat, you know, and things that happen to. There's a story to every unit on every deployment and every mission that did not get told in that.

[Chris]

And I've said this one before, like, one of the things, you know, I talked about, like some things of. Just think things that happen in war. Guess what? If you. If you don't like, if you don't have the stomach for some things that happen in war, like that's. That's war. One one being like. Like the wedding party bombing.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

I've never had a problem with that because you don't. You get to. You get to throw stones at that after you know what it was after you look back. In hindsight, I've always known this. They didn't just drop that bomb knowing what it was. That's crazy.

[Brent]

There's layers and layers to those decisions. So unless you can investigate enough to understand those layers, then it's not. I think that it's just unfair. Just like the Delta book, too. I forget what it was called. The murders and the crimes and things.

[Chris]

Oh, gosh. The Fort Bragg Cartel.

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris]

By. By Seth. I'm a trader Harp.

[Brent]

Yes. Similar feeling to that. To where. Yeah, a lot of layers missing. That would add context. Yeah, they'll just add the right context and not. Not to justify, but to go, look, maybe this will help. If I go to war and I know. Hey, guys. Brent, we're teammates. If something happens to me and like for some period of time, I. I get left behind, you got to recover me or something happens or I get killed and they have the opportunity to desecrate my body in some way, behead me or whatever. Like they, like they want to do.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

And things that do happen that did happen. I don't give a What happens to me after I die.

[Chris]

I said the same thing to my.

[Brent]

I'm gone and in the better. Onto the better place now. And so you guys will be pissed off and you might go, then go, all right, you want to play that game? So there's more context to that. But my point is, like, they could do whatever. They could do whatever they want to me after I'm dead. I don't give a.

[Chris]

Do not Risk your chance of being a husband, you know, your chance of living out your, your life as a, you know, as a son, as a father. Like, I'm, I'm dead.

[Brent]

But if I know that about. They did that to you.

[Chris]

If you can, if you can grab me, grab me. If you can't, and you have to put your life on the line for it, don't. I'm dead.

[Brent]

Yeah, I know. And even if you told me that, though, if they did something like that to you and we're out on a mission against the same guys, that's really hard for me to let go. And go, hey, I can just shoot these guys, don't get me wrong. Not, not stick a hatchet in them, in their inner skull, but.

[Chris]

Exactly that's what I'm saying.

[Brent]

Like, there's, there's more context to that that people don't understand.

[Chris]

I don't expect my teammates to see that and be like, nah, it's just a dead body. Who cares? That's crazy. Yeah, that's.

[Brent]

They're going to react.

[Chris]

There's going to be, you know, feel a certain way. There's going to be consequences. Yeah, this is, this is the problem

[Drew]

I see, boys, is that, you know, a journalist or someone may come up with a story, a onesie twosies, some small truth, but then they want to, Then they want to write a book, right? Well, that book's what, 200 pages, 250

[Brent]

pages, and they want a bestseller.

[Drew]

Now you got to fill it and you had something cool, but now you don't have enough information, so you got to embellish to get that book. Yeah, that's a problem I got solely.1234 says, what do you other Seal Team 6 think of Rob O' Neal and Seal Team 6 guys Rob said helped lie in AAR.

[Brent]

What do I think? I think there's many layers of that, too. And it's been 10 years. And I think that there's context, again, reasons why he decided to tell it the way he did in the tone and everything with it. And that if it's inaccurate to what the general consensus or what the community thinks, then there's, there's there's more of a discussion to that that needs to happen. And. But him as a person, just like any other veteran, underneath all of that drama that's in the stuff, the stuff I call it is doesn't matter to me. It matters to me. It's important for integrity, right, for us to have the most, especially because it gets it gets it Gets written into history. Right, right. Whether you believe it or not.

[Chris]

And you knew Rob, he was. He was your team for a little bit, but he was.

[Brent]

He was cool to me. He came to Team 10 and talked to us when I was there to get to. Specifically to my troop. And we had, like I said, a bunch of our team 10 guys went to dev group into silver, and that's the reason why I landed there and was really happy about it. That was partly because of him. So not talking about the current Rob o' Neill in his state now, but as an operator. Was. Had a great reputation as an operator and is still a hero and a veteran and in the brotherhood. And that's that. And that's just true. So now it's a different layer and a different thing to talk about how people decide to go about telling their story and. Yeah.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Chris]

All right. There you go.

[Drew]

David. Hooked dead. Our man says Chris, we just talking about David, Chris and Brent as tier one guys. What part of training teaches you to fire up a stairwell at targets you can't see or identify and then proceed to do nothing after the fact? Just want to keep my skills sharp.

[Chris]

David, I see what you're doing there. I. I see what you do it there. He said, yeah.

[Brent]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris]

David, you know, too much.

[Brent]

Challenging.

[Chris]

You know, too much.

[Brent]

What training? None.

[Drew]

David solely says if the U. S. Went to war and enforced a draft, should men who avoided be punished? How, if so.

[Chris]

Oh, that's a good. That's a good question. That's a good question. Chris, let you go first.

[Brent]

I think there has to be some consequence to that. That's just avoiding it, you know. Yeah.

[Chris]

Even Vietnam, it was jail time. Serve jail time for it.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

I mean, get arrested in jail.

[Brent]

There's a reason why we need that during certain times. Whether you disagree with the war or not is it's part of our system and it's the honorable thing to do. There's guys that have given up careers intentionally to volunteer to do that, Professional athletes. I think that it. There is a certain value that comes with at least having men serve sometime in the military. I don't know if it's necessarily the right thing to implement that, but for sure, when we need it, you live in the. You live in the freest country in the world. And that's part of. It's always been part of military histories for civilizations that.

[Chris]

With strong militaries, I tend to go over the top with things like this, which is probably a good thing that we don't have a king and his name isn't King Tucker, and I realize that, but this is. This is how I feel. Yes, you will get jail time for it, but I'll tell you why you'll get jail time for it. And I would. I would strip you of your rights to vote. Like, if you don't need. If you don't. If you didn't. If you didn't answer the call and you're. When your nation needed you, well, you no longer get a voice in anything we do. But. But here's why I'll say that I get it. If you don't believe in it and you don't want to go to the front lines, you don't want to fight, fight. But there's plenty of other jobs. There will be men that have to go, and there will be men that. That will be hurt, and then go be a medic. Go save people's lives that, you know, you don't. There's so many other jobs you can do, and in that way, that's your own little, Little protest.

[Brent]

Yeah, go be a nurse.

[Chris]

Go be a nurse. Do something to serve. But, yeah, you're. You're going to serve.

[Brent]

Yeah. We are in an entitlement and privilege phase. To think that everybody can have so many negative opinions about our systems to the point where we really can't even improve it at all, you know, until we can at least agree on our base core, our core baseline values, you

[Chris]

know, But I also think that's. Of course it happens. History does repeat itself. But every time there's a skirmish, it. It gets overinflated about a draft. There's no draft that's going to happen. What's that? Bad guy.

[Drew]

Because you hear about all these influencers and all these people on their podcast talking about the draft.

[Brent]

The draft. Draft.

[Drew]

The draft is still a volunteer army. The draft is only there just the right.

[Chris]

We're not.

[Drew]

We're not drafting anybody tomorrow.

[Chris]

Right. We don't need to draft you to take care of Iran.

[Brent]

Just the fear in that question shows how many people, how much fear there is about it at all. But you have such strong opinions about the wars.

[Chris]

But settle down. We. We're handling Iran just fine with, with, with just a small percentage of our military pressure.

[Brent]

War.

[Chris]

It's a conflict.

[Drew]

Everyone.

[Chris]

We're doing. We're doing just fine.

[Brent]

There's levels and we're not close to that level.

[Chris]

And I'm not saying that's why he said that. You know, that, that comment. So I just looked over.

[Brent]

I just looked over your shoulder. And saw. Hey, Chris, are you gonna sue Brent Tucker? It depends on how he edits this.

[Chris]

Fair enough or not fair enough. Yeah.

[Brent]

No, no edits.

[Chris]

Something tells you. That was from Phil at Human Performance trt. Thank you, Phil.

[Brent]

If I don't get any free TRT and stuff.

[Chris]

Yeah, we could. Depending on how I edit it. We can. And that you're acceptable with it. We can work that out.

[Drew]

I welcome the draft, Brent. I could use a vacation.

[Chris]

True, true.

[Drew]

We're too old. No, no, we can.

[Brent]

You guys think. Would you. There was a war and you were 18. What do you. How would you feel if you had to get drafted and go to the war to war? Well, I don't think I really care.

[Chris]

All right.

[Brent]

Like, if I'm with my friends, it'd be fun. Yeah.

[Chris]

You know what?

[Drew]

You'll make new ones.

[Chris]

No, yeah, that's about the most. That's the most. That's, that's the most insightful thing that

[Brent]

you can say as long as my friends.

[Chris]

Right? I mean, yeah, you can say it with a younger voice and so it sounds, you know, and people say, oh, yeah, what, you know, what does he know? Or whatever. Guess what? That's my answer. That's what we did. We went with our friends and we had the, we had the time of our life.

[Brent]

Yeah, when you're 13, I mean, they're running around doing. You guys are running around. You don't even know it. Like, I didn't realize. Playing soldiers and laser tag and stalking each other. You're already kind of doing it. What was your question?

[Chris]

Did what you.

[Brent]

Oh, no, sorry. Brady had, I thought he had a question.

[Chris]

Ethan, you get drafted, you going, yeah,

[Brent]

I'm just gonna be throwing grenades. I know what we're gonna call you. I'm gonna give you 50 of them. Just kidding. Sorry.

[Chris]

Oh, man.

[Drew]

50 Cent, I hope.

[Brent]

Watch the interview.

[Drew]

Just another 11B says, what did the signed robo book say?

[Chris]

Oh, one, one. I, I, I'm not mad at him for it at all. I think it's funny. But I, I, I wouldn't have, you know, asked Rob o' Neal to, to, to sign a book for me and then, like, show it on, you know, show it on the Internet. Be like, ah, I got Rob o' Neal to do this, but one of our Patreon members bought his book and asked him to sign, you know, to, to Brent, which he did. But, and, and in fairness, Rob, Rob caught it and, and, and said, you know, from the guy who actually killed bin Laden. And then, and then proceeded to Put the page number and then highlighted. When you go to that page number, it's highlighted about how he and he alone killed the. The greatest terrorist in the world. Which is funny because you already said that's actually not how it happened because you lied on a debrief. So now I'm. Now I'm confused on what your story is. And something tells me, I think you are too.

[Brent]

Well, aside from that, I like that it was a good sport about it. Kind of like UFC fighters before their fight go back and forth, you know, and then have. Have the battle.

[Chris]

Did make me laugh. Speaking of your kids, you ever see those social media posts where the dad or the mom, like, comes home in a hurry and they're like, hey, I gotta. I gotta fight this. I gotta fight this parent. But he's bringing his. His kids too. He's got two little boys. Like, I need. I need you to come with me and just. And just see their reactions of. Have you seen those videos I'm talking about?

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Okay. And see what they say, what they react.

[Chris]

All right, you tell me if you did that. What is. What is each one of your boys reactions?

[Brent]

I think Ethan goes, who's driving? Like the town.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

And I think Braddock goes, who's driving? But give me a little bit more information.

[Chris]

Intelligent decision about it, calculating it out. Right?

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Chris]

What's. What's my opponent's age? What's his height? Just knowing. He wants to know the walls. What's he getting into so he can. So we can mentally prepare for it. Yeah, I get that.

[Brent]

Come up with a contingency plan in case, you know.

[Chris]

And both are solid. Both are solid answers. Speak. Speaking of your boys, you mind getting the cad. Caddy out and. And. And driving, driving them up here for me? Oh, oh, Max.

[Brent]

We're getting Max.

[Drew]

Nailed it.

[Chris]

All right, Drew, what do we got next?

[Drew]

Yeah, let's see. We've got solely says on tour, seals put second to none above their door. 22sas put none above their door in response. What's your funniest time serving?

[Chris]

Do you know what they're talking about? I've heard this story before.

[Brent]

They say second to none.

[Chris]

Do you know. Do you get that? Have you heard that story, or do you get the. The reference that they're talking about?

[Brent]

I know the. The context, but I can't think of the story in my head, like, a specific story to that.

[Chris]

Yeah, one. I think that's hilarious. And that is. That is pure British humor. Like, the British are just funny for them to for the seals to put second to none.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And then for them to put none. Like. Well that's who you're. You are. You're second to us. I think that's.

[Brent]

They are none. So we're second to them. Yeah, I got you.

[Chris]

It's just hilarious. I'm trying to think of some of the, you know, the funniest thing or, or, or banter between, like when I was on a dive team, you know the, the Halo team was, was always our, our arch nemesis, you know that they wanted, you know that, that's always the, the dive. Halo team's always a thing. Yeah. Going back and forth. I can't think of anything like really funny that we, we did to each other. Like, like that. You got any team wide shenanigans from one team to the next. There's always teammate to teammate. Sure. But like team to team, maybe team,

[Brent]

SEAL team to SEAL team, whether it

[Chris]

be SEAL team to SEAL team or, or just.

[Brent]

Absolutely.

[Chris]

Or this outside of your four man team to the other four man team. Whether it scales up or scales down.

[Brent]

I think the prank wars got pretty epic. Didn't get involved in a lot of those. Like, like a really good one was we were in green team and some of the cadre that they started to know where we were going to go, what teams, and they're like, all right, we're going to start messing with them. And the. One of the funniest ones was like dj. And was he in your green team? Yeah.

[Chris]

Was he?

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah. We had a great epic green team. I was locker mates with Dave Fazio in blue from blue who he passed away from a brain tumor after a couple deployments that just developed really fast. But cool story. His daughter works at my cafe now. Gold star kids. It's like I got so emotional when she came in to do that and was like, yeah, you don't even need the application. You're hired, man.

[Chris]

I actually know that story because when I was contracting with dj, he, he told me that story. Yeah.

[Brent]

And that guy was amazing. So his team pranked him knowing that like, hey, he's a stud in the class. Top of the class. He's coming. We're gonna, we're gonna mess with him. And like, like set up a booby trapped crash attached to his locker. So they would open the pinpoint and it just went. And just like deafening explosions and it was in a shoebox. So it was, you know, it was like safe. Like, you know, it contained the crash, but it got, it was loud. The cadre Came running down, and we were all in fear for our lives. Like, what Was that? That Flash 80 all about? And who's. Are we all getting. Getting? Or just that locker? Whose locker was it, dj? Oh, my God. And in the Cadre, obviously, we're tuned into and came down and played it, played along like, what the Was that? Who was that you? And he was like, oh. Like, he didn't do anything because he couldn't hear anything. He's like, you know, and. But it was an epic, you know, welcoming that. Hey, you're welcome. Welcome in. That's how it starts. Another one was, like, a team 10. I think one of the other troops that we had a rivalry with going on, like, inflated a zodiac inside of somebody's locker, which is in, like, so impossible to get. You know, go deep, get in there somehow. And it probably took, like, days to figure it out.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

So inflating a zodiac inside somebody's locker is pretty epic. Shredder bombs. You gotta want it, like, get the shredder. The giant shredders in every team room. Yep. Into a huge trash bag and just go spray somebody's entire locker with adhesive spray for targets. Oh, and then just. Just thrash open a.

[Chris]

That's dirty.

[Brent]

A shredder bomb. And that's.

[Chris]

That's dirty. It doesn't. That's. Yeah, that's.

[Brent]

It's.

[Chris]

Oh, there's a fine line between. Between. Between funny and. Come on, guys, that's too much there.

[Brent]

It got overboard.

[Chris]

Oh, for sure. But that's who the guys are. They don't. They don't know anything else.

[Brent]

Everything's extreme, right?

[Chris]

Exactly. Brad, did you have something?

[Brent]

I was just gonna.

[Chris]

Yeah, swing it over. What do you got, brother?

[Brent]

Ethan's friends are, like, in the chat, and they like.

[Chris]

Who's. Who's your friend? Who's your friend in the chat?

[Brent]

Ethan Easton and Dennis.

[Chris]

Easton and Dennis. How. I'm assuming the travel baseball mates. Travel baseball? Do you do travel baseball? Yeah, yeah. You can afford travel baseball.

[Brent]

We get a discount because he's such a good catcher.

[Chris]

Yes. Oh, awesome. I'm. I'm glad you got to say their names. That's awesome. And I'm glad they're watching. Thank you. The. Your story reminded me of. Probably the worst prank that was ever played on me was on the white side, but it was inside my team. I was. I was dropping the Browns off to the super bowl. And in our. In our fob, and we had just built this really expensive latrine, had all tile, nice showers, Nice. Nice stalls. And I was sitting there in the stall reading a. Like a home improvement magazine. You know, they send you the most random magazines, you know, over overseas. Sometimes some reading this and. And something goes off. Just boom. And my eyesight's a little blurry. My hearing went out. I thought we got hit by a mortar. When my eyesight kind of comes back and I look down, I see. And there's smoke all over the place. I look down, and there's a flashbang. Someone had hit a flashbang. Hit it. You know, just snuck it underneath the. The stall, and it went off on me. I wasn't real happy about that.

[Drew]

Yeah, it.

[Chris]

It hurt because everything was so hard. Like, you know, the tile and everything. Like, nothing so, like, sucked up that. That.

[Drew]

That.

[Brent]

Oh, my God. You just reminded me of the most epic SEAL team prank that I could ever think of.

[Chris]

I was so mad about that.

[Brent]

Sorry. I didn't mean to take from that story, but. Yeah, no, I would. I would get mad, you know?

[Chris]

Yeah. Not happy about that one.

[Brent]

You can go into more. Once it goes into more of a personal lane, it's like. It can get nasty.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah, I'll finish that story off. I was certain that I knew it was. His birthday was like, a week or two away. And so around, like, 2 or 3am, I went to his room in the middle of the night and I threw a nine banger in his room.

[Brent]

Yeah, it wasn't him.

[Chris]

They kept that from me really good for a long. I just found out a few years ago, whoever was, and it was one of the last guys I've ever expected.

[Brent]

Oh, wow.

[Chris]

Yeah. A quiet guy.

[Brent]

Was he. Was he trying to be validated or impress somebody by being.

[Chris]

No, that wasn't him. No, he. He was an absolute stud. A quiet stud that needed no one's validation. He just decided, I'm gonna mess with Brent today. Which is why he was my last pick.

[Brent]

Yeah, maybe that's why too. Yeah, dude. The most epic prank. I'm still really best friends with the guy. I worked for his company when I got out of the Navy as a contractor, and he's a defense company and super smart thinking, kind of high intelligence type of dude. He was the oldest guy, one of the older guys in our buds. Like, it's already in his 30s when he went. Right. So did an enlistment, couple deployments. We were in Iraq. We had another troop come out and with us on that deployment to help out. Kind of like an exchange. Is he good?

[Chris]

Yeah. Max, go upstairs. You're done. You're done. Tell him, tell him he wants a T R E, a T and he'll run up there.

[Brent]

That fat boy Max wants some attention.

[Chris]

Yeah, he does. I don't know what his deal is.

[Drew]

Good boy.

[Chris]

Nice Drew. Nicely done.

[Brent]

So another troop came out. They had a really bad prankster. He was, he thought he was the, the master prankster. And so in between missions, he decided to go. You know, we're on like orange. So we're like, you know, we're doing time sensitive targets and we're like, okay guys, you can kind of chill until ramps up. Okay. And so take a nap. Sneaks into his room, pepper sprays him, right? And taps him on the shoulder. He rolls over. Pepper spray. He comes out of his room, he's like vomiting.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Just, you know, mucus from my eyes and just. So he's like pouring milk in his face and it's just bad.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

So ha. You know, and I think they had something going on. And so his, his words to that and he recorded it was like, I'm a, I'm a thinker, not a doer.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

Right. And so he, he really set the, set the, the course for his own demise with that one. Yeah. So they were then tasked to rotate out and go to another AO north of Baghdad. So they're gonna go do some ops. We're still working on Solder City. And so Cameron being more of a. No, he goes, I'm a doer, not a thinker.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

So Cameron took that and goes, well, I'm a thinker. So he doesn't like retaliate immediately because he had a couple of days after that. So he went and did a recording that he showed all of us. When, when that guy returned back to the camp, he goes, hey, I need to show the team a video. And this was after he had rotated back to his, his own troop in a different area.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

Hey guys, I need the head shed. Everybody in there on this. It's a brief for the whole team. Play this video. It's going to be epic. So we're all in there, including the prankster guy, right? Puts the video up. Cameron goes, shows the video of him getting sprayed. And I still have this video. It's awesome. And he goes through the video, it shows the clips to him working out real hard, getting real sweaty on the elliptical and different workouts, real hard workouts. And he goes over to his room and he was. While the, the prankster dude is out and he was more senior guy, like a couple platoons more, goes into his little toiletry Bag, finds the toothbrush, goes into the little clue restroom and just like cleans his balls with his toothbrush. Right. And he's like showing close ups, picks out a couple little, you know, dingleberries and then ends it with a. And spits on the toothbrush. And then goes over and.

[Chris]

Right, yeah.

[Brent]

And then colonoscopies himself with this toothbrush and places it nicely back into the toiletry bag.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And then it clips to somebody who had helped basically when. When the guy was brushing his teeth. Next videotaped him just fully brushing his teeth with the toothbrush. And dude, the way that this room erupted is plywood ops room.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

Like almost collapsed.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

It was the most epic payback.

[Chris]

When you cross that line, there's no stopping it.

[Brent]

And do.

[Chris]

No, I'll. It wasn't a super chat, but I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll bring it up. And I believe Nick, I didn't, I didn't catch his full screen name. Said hey, let. See if I can find it. Exactly what he said real quick. But, oh, input on DJ being a turd and so, you know, with talking about DJ Shipley and so I'll allow you to, you know, to, to give your opinion on that.

[Brent]

No, he was a stud in our selection. Top of the class. Yeah. When you go into your separate squadrons, you don't see each other much if you're on opposite schedules too. So we would rotate in and they would rotate out. So. But no, everything I ever knew or heard, another top of the class guy that's doing great things out there now, Dan Luna. We're all Titan. I went and worked for him for a little bit before I went and started my own things. And I actually had to go back to those guys and go, man, I understand what it takes. And I was like, you know, path to my own thing. So I apologize. It was not really working for the company as opposed to like my own path. And he was like, yeah, he's. It's all good. And I understand. It was tough, but I understand and has helped me personally a bunch. And in the team, you know, there's things that happen in the team that I know what they're talk. Trying to talk about. And I'll tell you this real quick. There was a, like his exit from the team, I think was like, maybe there was some disagreements going on, whatever. But like I had a thing on my exit from the team where I popped for Valium because I was getting, Getting addicted opioids to try and. But to do. To do work, you know. And also built and developed a little addiction. Well, I had a captain's mask for that. And lots of the guys in the team turned against me. Not a lot. A few were like, yeah, he's a turd. But the head shed and the guys who knew me from my own team, not the other troop.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

Which is what were like, he's Stan. Right. And.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Brent]

Sir, we recommend you dismiss this. And he. And then I did. That was Rich. Devini was my CEO and he's great friends still. So that's. My answer is no. He's a great reputation as an operator and was always the best. And yeah.

[Chris]

I'll tell you why. I get. I gave you an opportunity. Even though it sound like it was going to be controversial. I. If you gave any other answer, I'd be surprised. And I'll tell you why. Because even though it was post military, I worked closely with D.J. on several contracts. And like. And you just, you know who people are.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You know what I mean?

[Brent]

Exactly.

[Chris]

Like, I worked with him enough to know who DJ was and you know, you know how who turds act. They don't change. They don't change who they are just because they get out and all of a sudden they're a good guy now. Like, who they are is who they are. And DJ was a great guy. I hired him several times to, to work CQB contracts for me because he was really good as an instructor and he was a really good guy.

[Brent]

He was. So those internal team dramas and dynamics is part of the, part of the game. So it's just. Yeah, that's my answer to that for sure.

[Chris]

Not surprised.

[Brent]

And that was just. I know his true intention now too is just helping people, just doing good for the world, doing good things. And that's. That's the intention. So I, we had a conversation before. It's like if you. Sean was a good example, DJs example. You know, you're always. If you go succeed and reach certain levels, you're going to have a core like a, A collection of a. A club of haters. And that's a good sign because a lot of people are with you when you're like the underdog on your way up. And then when you kind of. They perceive that you've kind of like made it or associate with you some kind of mainstream. Like if I succeed with the ice cream and we become a known brand, I might develop a club like that where they're like, well, he's mainstream now. So effortless.

[Chris]

It's that punk rock dig up all

[Brent]

the bad things and your mistakes and all your things.

[Drew]

What is all the chats. I don't know about it. They're talking about DJ abandoning and abandoning his kid or mistreating his parents. What is it? I don't, I don't know anything about that stuff.

[Chris]

I'll. Here, here, I'm gonna take this for a second. No one knows really about that stuff except DJ and, and his dad. And now I'll caveat that with his. I really hate to see this because I did, I did watch it a little bit. His dad's coming out and doing some videos to say, hey, this is the truth. And let me, let me tell you what's happening. And, and that may be true. It, or his view. I should say this. His view may, may be true, but there's, there's three sides to every story.

[Brent]

Y.

[Chris]

And I, I can say that I, I know DJ enough and just, and I hate it. So DJ has, has two options right now. It's either ignore it, you know, and, and be above it and be like, hey, I'm not, I'm not gonna get distracted by that. And you're damned if you do and if you're damned if you don't, or address it and get into this bicker with, with your own dad. And I, and I, I just hate it. Those are personal life stuff. And I, I don't, I don't think personal life stuff. Don't get me wrong, it, There is, there is a time, there's, there's a, a point that personal life stuff does bleed over into your professional life. But generally speaking, I, I, I, I like, I like to keep them separated if, if it makes sense.

[Brent]

There's layers to, and that's, there's some deep layers to that. Now being a father with my own sons, I know you know, as a father, some of your own stuff carries over if you don't resolve it, right? And I'm not, I don't know that the deep details. What I know is that like, even though I thought I'm, I'm right now, I think I'm doing a good job, there are some things they're going to be unresolved about later that as a father, I'm going to have to bring myself to apologize for. And if I can't do that, they then could choose to carry on that until forever. And then, you know, the saddest story to father and son stuff, or even a lot of family things, is realizing that you could have, you could have Resolved it long time before your last breaths. And when you do it, if you don't, then you don't have time to do it anymore. That's probably a really terrifying feeling again.

[Chris]

And I'll say this, I'm saying what I know. I, I, I, I don't know everything, you know, and if I were to get some more information, maybe I'd have a different, you know, a different view on it. So I can only speak to, to what I know. And I'll never act like I know more than I do because I don't.

[Brent]

This, I don't. I've got my own, I've got my own personal things that I know. I don't live in fear because I know that I'll get through those things. But there are some things that I, it's, it's up to me choose not to talk about, you know, but if somebody, like I said, when you win, just like politicians do, they'll go dig up as much as they can against you to, to try to, to get you. And you just have to deal with those things and not live in fear. And I think that's what he's doing, you know, and what I'm doing too. I have things too.

[Chris]

And then, you know, complete transparency. I said I don't know everything that's going on. I don't call and I don't, I don't pry, but occasionally, every now and again, I'll just, I'll just text dj because, yeah, good. And I'll say, hey, I don't, I know you're busy. I don't need a reply. I just want to let you know I'm praying for you. Yeah, and, and, and it looks like you're crushing it, and I hope it is. If you ever need anything, give me a call. Till then, just, just keep crushing it. Yeah. And you know, and usually he replies, you know, sometimes he doesn't because he's busy. I don't reply to everything too. And sometimes I, you know, he'll text me. But those, but those are the, those are the conversations we have. I don't, I don't, I don't call, don't call DJ and be like, hey, what's up with you and your dad? Yeah, yeah, I, I, I just don't, but, but again, what I do know of him, he was, he's a really good guy from what, my experience with him. So until I find out information that'll, that will be what, what I know about them anyway. What do we, what else do we have all right.

[Drew]

Human performance. TRT says. Hey, it's Chris. Are you going to sue Brent Tucker?

[Brent]

Oh, I got that one. Yeah. Depends on how he edits this live. And if he doesn't give me a bunch of free.

[Chris]

I'm not mad at that answer. I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

[Drew]

Solely says, is it possible for vegan ice cream to be good?

[Chris]

Yes.

[Drew]

Would you sell or buy it?

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's tough. We keep several four or five vegan non dairy flavors because the thing with ice cream is, you know, I've got to pick a lane with the brand. We're starting as a full milk fat indulgent ice cream brand.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

And you know, we're gonna have certain influencers of the world out there that are, you know, trying to divide the ice cream world into like these better for you. Oh, only real ice cream is only milk cream and sugar. Like. No, it's not. There's like all kinds of real ice cream and, you know, inclusions can add to the label. There's certain, you know, vendors and places I can source as the newer brand coming. And then our goal is always to be to one improve by 1% every day until we get, you know, the perfect formula. But I can, I can't. There's no game to even start if I don't start. So our goal was full milk fat ice cream, awesome flavors, story and history and travels behind it culture. We do all kinds of specials and cultural flavors. We got UBE ice cream, we did mango Tajin sorbet, and people are vibing and loving it in our cafe. And then we want to also have a couple gluten free. We want everybody to love the ice cream. And so the point is, when you come in, you know, I'm going to be seen as a certain way because I was a veteran and people will try to align my values with conservative whatever they want to do. I just refuse labels generally. But in my cafe, the culture that we keep there is like, the point is it doesn't matter who you are, what you look like. I don't even care if I deeply disagree with you and what you are. When you come in here, you leave all that behind and we agree to leave it behind in that chaotic world of stuff that's going on right now. And this is just a communal place to eat ice cream and be happy and have some joyful moments. And you, you just let it go. Just like, you know, you let it go and people are doing that all kinds of different people yeah.

[Chris]

So.

[Brent]

Yeah, serious.

[Chris]

It's ice cream.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

We're here to have a good time.

[Brent]

We got some vegan flavors. You don't like it, we got plenty of other ones, too. I put bacon in there. Steak, you know, whatever.

[Chris]

Exactly. What else we got? Drew does it. It's gonna pop up for you. If not, we can go to a video real quick if it'll do it.

[Brent]

What are you guys laughing about?

[Drew]

Nothing weird here.

[Chris]

Just go to a video. Just. Just real quick. Break the monotony just a little bit.

[Brent]

Another super chats embarrass them sometimes. Yeah, super chat.

[Chris]

Yes. Let's go to that first one. I remember this one.

[Brent]

And I came across this gym right there.

[Chris]

New Hunger Games districts announced.

[Brent]

Which one you taking and why? Is it three?

[Drew]

Is there honestly any argument against District three?

[Brent]

Because I can't think of one. The rest of the country's cooked, honestly. I think even if you take the

[Chris]

firearms away from District 3 and let

[Drew]

the other district tave them, I'm still taking three. Still got you.

[Brent]

What do you think? Hell, I ain't wrong.

[Chris]

You know what, I was just.

[Drew]

Heck, yeah.

[Chris]

Chris, got a question. Where are you from originally?

[Brent]

I say Monterey, California. We moved around a lot in the military, but I spent the most time there and graduated high school.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

All there. And I love that.

[Chris]

I love that. So that puts you in a different district.

[Brent]

Put them in. What number was that?

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah, right. So given that, do you have. Do you. Do you have a rebuttal to. To District 3 taking it?

[Brent]

Was Arizona in there? Arizona's pretty cool.

[Chris]

Arizona is pretty cool. I don't think I have the population, though, to do it. Yeah, Arizona is pretty cool.

[Brent]

I think that if you could.

[Chris]

And of course, Northern California is legit. People always forget that California isn't all California. Northern California is legit.

[Brent]

Yeah, that's right. My grandparents, we were in Monterey. That's a little bit more northern. You start going up into Napa Valley and places, all kinds of cool. Wine yard, you know, vineyard. Vineyard owners there that are more, you know, like. I don't know what the word is, but if you could associate like a mental health score to any of those regions. Like, California is kind of low right now, right?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Drew]

So.

[Brent]

But there's pockets. So like I said, dude, if I could have some, you know, dairy farm with cows roaming around in Petaluma, that's like Napa Valley for cows Sunday. But in. In the meantime, you can't, because it'll

[Chris]

tax the crap out of you.

[Brent]

Yeah. In the meantime, it's just not fun there. It's like beautiful weather and places kind of ruined by just not much fun and exacerbated problems that can be solved, you know, much easier. Pretty, pretty, pretty easily.

[Chris]

Honestly, I'm telling you, last time I was out in that Southern, that SoCal area, I actually got even more mad at California. And I'll tell you why. The trees, the weather, this, the landscape, beautiful. One of the most gorgeous places like we really have, and it's ruined by politics.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And, and I hate that. I'm like, man, if we could swap, I will give you this nasty 100 degree humid weather and swap for California's weather any day of the week. Yeah, but the politics are so bad. It's, it, I, I, it's an easy decision.

[Brent]

It's just a bad vibe all the time.

[Chris]

I hate they did that because it's, it's one of the most beautiful places, like it really is until you experience it. You can hate California all you want, and I understand why you do. But go, go experience it. And in a word, it'll make you more mad because, like, you ruined this paradise.

[Brent]

Yeah. I still go there and I remember, like, good memories of going to, like, Fisherman's Wharf in Monterey, getting sourdough bowls. Like, I'm told I'm a total foodie.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

With sourdough clam chowder. That all has, like, been boarded up, you know, and in San Francisco, too, because homeless people just, you have to walk over the homeless crowd and be, go through these. And I'm not judging anybody, but it's a terrible experience to do that, especially with kids and all the, you know, the, like, the vulgarities and just the scene of it to get to it that they all had to board up, you know, when I went there last. So it's just like all the nostalgia of what I grew up with there, it just is, like, not there anymore. So I still go certain places and I like it for a little while and for like a visit. And I'm happy to come back to, you know, my, my home, my house, you know, in Virginia and. Yeah.

[Chris]

Drew, let's take it over to the bro Cam on, on the couch. What's your funny, boys?

[Brent]

He's sneezing in the mic to sneeze.

[Drew]

Yeah, I knew it was a sneeze, a fart or a burp, you know, it was going to be one of those backward.

[Chris]

Life was so simple.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

There hasn't been any farts over there yet.

[Chris]

Yeah, bagged it.

[Brent]

His beard absorbs it all

[Chris]

scrubber yeah. When. When are you boys going to start growing your beards out? It's about time.

[Brent]

Tomorrow.

[Chris]

Tomorrow. Love that answer. Okay. All right, Drew, there's two types of people in this world that don't have beards. Who are they?

[Drew]

Women and children.

[Chris]

Correct. Correct. So get that beard going as soon as you can.

[Brent]

Some women do.

[Drew]

There's always a novel.

[Brent]

Just an observation.

[Chris]

You boys can come back anytime you want.

[Drew]

That's it. We have a lot of super chats, boys.

[Chris]

All right, let's go. What do we got?

[Drew]

We have a lot. We're gonna have to run through them.

[Chris]

Let's keep it going. Let's keep it going.

[Drew]

Flowback. Thank you so much for the love. Solely 1, 2, 3, 4. Says, can you be vegan in Seal Team 6 and Delta?

[Brent]

Oh, no. You just can't just wait until after.

[Chris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent]

That's like. You got to fit in. And you. You know, there's things that wish I. I didn't need to do so much of, but.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

That's one of them. You just can't. Like.

[Chris]

Yeah. You'll never be respected by the team. It's just.

[Drew]

And every time you do something wrong, it's always because you don't eat meat.

[Chris]

Right. Exactly. They will wear you down on deployment.

[Brent]

I just think that there's not enough.

[Chris]

Not enough to sustain you.

[Brent]

A Class One.

[Drew]

You bounce the check. Oh, you should eat more burgers. You know, it's just.

[Chris]

Yeah. Even stuff that's nothing to do with it.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

That's how the boys roll. All right, the real Justin says Jizro, the super seal, is disappointed when he's not picked as the meat gazer for the unit. Random ua.

[Chris]

Oh, your analysis. Okay, here's what's crazy. And speaking of, you know, books that have an agenda there. Oh, yeah. You.

[Brent]

You.

[Chris]

You can take the cat caddy back.

[Brent]

Yeah. No more.

[Chris]

Yeah. Oh, you cut me off.

[Brent]

Maybe I don't drink much, but the is.

[Chris]

Is. He's talking about how, like, guys the unit were, you know, all. All druggies, and they were, you know, finding ways to. To get through the urinalysis or not getting your analysis. All sorts of things. That is so crazy. I got. I got your analysis all the time.

[Brent]

Paraphernalicle.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

You can't.

[Chris]

And. And the guys that do that are support guys that have very specific instructions.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And they're watching you. You're like. You're not getting around it.

[Brent]

I agree. Context. And at that level, too. You just not. You can't. You can't. I had Mine, because I was at towards the end of my time and it was just like. Was just trying to. Honestly, I like, we had underways that weekend. I pulled my back out and was like, dude, I need to take these so I can go to underways. I'm not. There's no calling in sick, you know, or like the. Any other person in the Navy or military would just be like, that's an opportunity to not. Do not go to work. You know, I don't need to go climb. Right, Climb.

[Chris]

Exactly. You're taking things to go to work.

[Brent]

So there were like. They're almost like peds that, you know, guys are doing it. It's because for that it's for to sustain operating, not to have fun getting high and like most possibly pop on a thing.

[Chris]

It doesn't pass the common sense test. You think all these guys are coked up, running around the house, shooting bullets next to their buddies, heads at a high level, you know, and get out of here.

[Brent]

That comes from some of the crazy stories of specific SEAL teams or platoons that got away with it on, like, deployments, you know, like the Philippines or other places where it was just easily and readily available and they made bad choices, got rolled up. And then those stories expand into the whole generalizing of everybody else and.

[Chris]

But even that story proves, guess what? They got caught. They got rolled up because it's not acceptable. Right. You know, I mean, like, the fact that you even know about it proves that it's not acceptable, or else you'd have never heard about it.

[Brent]

Yeah. No.

[Chris]

All right, what else we got?

[Drew]

Right wing nut says Chris. Two questions. Chris, when's your book coming out and where can I get some of that ice cream? Thanks for coming on, bro.

[Brent]

You're welcome.

[Chris]

We talked about a book on the recorded.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah. On the interview, we went through that because I'm having fun with the whole, you know, street culture vibe of like, comparing seals and Delta Force and how many books and how many things. And it's coming out next week. No, actually, I. I just picked up that Andy Stump one. It's great. I think he's come to Virginia beach next week. I. I just got invited from Ironclad to go hand out some gift certificates and merch and cool things, and he'll be there. And I've never met him in person, but. Oh, and the book is good. Good man.

[Chris]

And love to hear that. So. So that's exactly what I expect.

[Brent]

Yeah. And another friend of mine, Dylan Kivo, is putting out a lot of content right now. That's like, dude, if you do business and stuff, it's like, it doesn't matter who you are. These kind of concepts is like, that helps you. It. It establishes your story. And, dude, there's libraries and bookstores full of books. And so it's not out of always. It's the way you do it. Like I said.

[Chris]

Exactly.

[Brent]

The very select few rare cases where guys are doing it just to be right, you know, attention or their. Their ego, whatever, is like, if there's a purpose behind it and a purpose behind the story other than just the book or the story, there's nothing wrong with that. And if. If there's. There's more or less of any other.

[Chris]

So I call them look at me books.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

If you're not doing a look at me book.

[Brent]

Yeah. And those ones aren't best sellers. The ones that have some. Some depth to the story are. And that's why his is. And anyways, mine will be like, we'll see what happens when we launch. And if we get on some shelves with the ice cream, especially in 2027, and I find some level of that, the next thing will be some kind of cool, you know, like, you know, travel. You know, a traveling story of ice cream with some recipes.

[Drew]

Where do they get that ice cream, Chris?

[Brent]

Where do they get. Soon we're launching for shipping. Just give me a little bit more time. We're working out the logistics. Befreeice cream.com the new web. The new website is under development to align with the launch of the brand so that the cafe will be in there still. And then, of course, my store in Virginia beach, it's a bakery, coffee house, and ice cream cafe.

[Drew]

All right, cool. Solely 1, 2, 3, 4 says. Do you think most veterans find civilian life harder than combat? How can us make this easier?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah. I don't know if it's most. I think it might be most. Yes. Because depending on how much time you spend, combat is hard at first, just like anything else. And then you actually get conditioned to it and starts to become your lifestyle, and you actually get comfortable.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

So when you leave that, it gets really uncomfortable in the world outside of that little tiny bubble. And it's all about, like, figuring out that was a given purpose for so long. That's just there. You never even really have to think about it. It's just there. And then when you don't have that anymore, that's. That's the game. Who figures that out? It takes everybody different amounts of time. Some people don't figure it out. And that's the sad. The sad thing right now that I really. We're all trying to. To help in that cause especially the guys that do seem to figure something out with that and. And find a way to understand what their. What the purpose is now and, you know, who those guys are, because they're. They're succeeding. They're doing great things.

[Chris]

The best way I could describe it and almost doesn't make sense, but it's the best way I can. I can do it. Combat is hard, but simple. Life is easy, comparatively, but complex. Yeah. And complicated.

[Brent]

Agree.

[Chris]

So, yeah, I. I love combat. It was. It was simple.

[Brent]

Absolutely. So simple. People were simple, too. You're around other guys that were selected to know that, and now you go to the real world, you're like, holy, Right? Oh, my God. There's just all. Many different layers, and you got to learn discernment. That's what you got to really learn in people, between people.

[Drew]

Sully says, did you face enemies which impressed you with their courage? Seal Team 6, Andy Stumpf said some enemies fought head on. He was like, holy. He respected them.

[Brent]

Yeah, definitely. I think we got in a couple engagements with guys that we later found out, like, man, why were those guys so hard?

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

Chechen fighters, you know. Yeah, it came down in Somalia. There were some guys that, you know, I don't know if it was. Because they just didn't. If it was courage, but they just. They just stayed. They stood their ground when they were just completely overwhelmed for, you know, and then.

[Chris]

Yeah, for a while.

[Brent]

Yeah, a little while. And other than that. And they. Iraq and Afghanistan. Not. Not as much. I don't know about how you guys were in, like, Syria and different. Different Als like that.

[Chris]

I'd say ISIS was. They were committed. Yeah, ISIS was committed. And so I think that's. That's where you get, you know, the. The Chechens committed.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

When you get people that are really committed to the cause, you'll. You'll get some fighters that'll. That'll. That'll stand up and send it.

[Brent]

But there's some fights. We got into some hard fights, and then you get in and they throw their guns down and pee their pants, and you're like, that's the. That's. That was.

[Chris]

And it's even more frustrating when their leadership who, you know, you've heard conversations of them brow beating other guys below them for not standing their ground, and then you're like, all right, well, let's see how you do, because we're coming. And then they're the first one to give up their gun. And I, I lose all respect for that guy like you.

[Brent]

You're like, this guy was an enforcer in this town. According to the intel, he like, you know. Right. Lopped off a couple heads and. But, yeah, but he pooped in the helicopter, right?

[Chris]

Yeah. Yeah. You're. You're real. You're real bad a. You know, when you beat up on innocent people, but when the boys show up, you threw that. You're the first one to throw down your gun.

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah. And you even find yourself thinking, I think, man, what if I get rolled up somehow and pow. And different stuff like even that those fighters that got picked up by my old. My old team. The, the fighter jet pilots that ejected.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah.

[Brent]

And you're like the one was. Was. Was moving for some time and I was just imagining, man, what does that feel like? And thinking about that experience and you don't know until you're in it. Yeah. How would you behave? You know what I mean? You think you'd be courageous. But I, I think I like to. To. To. To realize that we. When through the selections and the things that we do that you can sustain a different mindset to where you would deal with.

[Chris]

Chances are high.

[Brent]

Shitty situations.

[Chris]

It's never 100%, but chances are higher.

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris]

All right. What else we got? Drew?

[Drew]

Brian says, are you still doing the Tango Tango Ambush episode?

[Chris]

Yes. That one is taking forever. I really don't want to do it by myself. I really would. Would like someone some point. I'll have to if we can't line that up. But I really want to do that one.

[Drew]

Bacon Forge says, how long before Jizro crashes out over this episode?

[Chris]

I. I hope I. I hope not. But I. I do know this. We got. We got some more stuff for the lawyer If. If it has anything to do with them. He watches my episodes. I don't watch his.

[Drew]

He's a fan.

[Chris]

He's a fan. I appreciate that.

[Drew]

Dylan Robbins says, what's the biggest difference in Development Group and Delta?

[Chris]

That's a good question, Chris. I'll keep going. There it is. I'll.

[Brent]

I'll.

[Chris]

I'll let you take the first swing at this and we'll. We'll see if our answers line up or. I'm. I'm curious what, what it is. What's the. What's the. What's the difference between SD6 and Delta?

[Brent]

Here's a difference. And my great friend Cal Morian can't stand when we barrel nod. We you know, do the barrel nod, and you guys just kind of nod and yo. Without moving the barrel. That's one big major difference.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

And I'm, I'm grateful. I've learned both. So now if I can go train with, with both and go, what do you guys, you know, so that's just one small nuance, but it will drive guys crazy because that's, that's what we do. And.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And of course, you can talk about the way kill houses are set up, different things like that. And. But I think for sure, even internally to each unit, between the four different teams, there's different personality traits and those change over time. Same thing with the unit as a whole. There's personality traits, you know, and we're at the beach in Virginia and you guys are in Fayetteville where there's nothing but like trees and dirt and brown colored stuff, Right?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You guys are like more stoic and serious, I think, personality wise. And we're more, you know, maybe we have more of like, I don't know, playful personality because it's all beachy hair gel and stuff like that. So, you know, there's probably, there's many more differences in how we operate. But you talked about that funny SAS Brit question earlier, right? It's funny because they were like. But both units were designed off of their structure, I think.

[Chris]

Right, for sure.

[Brent]

Right for sure. So that's kind of like students surpassing the master kind of thing. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding about those guys.

[Chris]

But, you know, they'll say that.

[Brent]

Yeah, when you snatch the pebble from my hand, you'll be ready, you know, so. But yeah, there's definitely, definitely differences. I think that the general public's more interested in the personality traits, type differences than the way we actually operate, which is very much like general, like McChrystal said, like Alex said on his thing, like, you guys have more, you guys are more similar in this unhealthy rivalry than different. So we're gonna. I'm show you why.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Brent]

And put you together.

[Chris]

I agree with that.

[Drew]

Sully asks, is jungle environment hardest to soldier in? 22sas guys say this. 22sas. Eddie Stone said, if you can soldier in jungle environment, you can soldier in any environment. Agree.

[Brent]

Everything I've read about, I've. I've only done a little bit of training in general, and it was miserable.

[Chris]

Yeah, I can't say I disagree with that.

[Brent]

And I think that anything that I've ever known about Vietnam and some of that, that fighting those, those Those UDT and frogman guys and you guys.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yes. I'd say the answer to that's yes.

[Chris]

Especially when you take. It takes away a lot of technology from you. Like triple canopy jungle, you know, the, the ISR that's. That would normally be telling us where the enemy is.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You're not, you're not getting that inside scoop. The environment takes away some of your advantages. So. Yeah, I, I agree with that.

[Brent]

The being wet for that, you know, that long. The heat, the humidity, the environmentals, the nature.

[Chris]

Nature.

[Drew]

It's a lot more toilet paper available.

[Brent]

Just imagine. I'd rather, I much rather be in an arctic environment.

[Chris]

We talked to some SOG guys, I interviewed him on my last podcast that were doing cross border into Leos and Cambodia and they were dealing with like king cobras.

[Brent]

Well, dude.

[Chris]

Yeah, they were dealing with like when they would do their, their Ron or rod. They would do a rod because they couldn't walk. Yeah, they were doing, sorry, a run rest overnight because they couldn't walk during night like they had to do during the day, which is the opposite of us.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And. And like having tigers circle their encampment. They'd only find out the next day where they see the, the paw prints.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Add the environment into the jungle on top of everything else.

[Brent]

Yeah, that's a whole nother animal in, in south of Mogadishu. We were doing, we did this ambush. We were doing these ambushes on these guys that were camped out in the open and they were. They'd build up thorn bushes around their encampment to stop these, these terrible, monstrous hyenas from getting in. And in our camp, there was a time where one walked in and someone like was up in the middle of the night and was like, ah. And dude, these things look like demons. I can't imagine tigers and things like that. Like, there's probably been some stories of that. That.

[Chris]

What else we got.

[Drew]

So he says hardest enemies to fight. And why would that be similar to the other one?

[Chris]

I got this one. Hardest enemies of fight. And why your. Your own military when they don't completely release the dogs of war? Yeah, that's the hardest enemy military bureaucracy. And I'm not saying we had to deal with that a whole lot, although we did it to some degree. But holistically, if you let the American military loose. Yeah, game over.

[Brent]

Yeah, we get, you know, and that's, that's, we've, we've lost the point of war. When we do it's or it's a conflict. But you Know, or since World War II, every. All of them get drawn out because we can't figure out what decisively what to do, like right now. So whether you're on the side of just getting it done on the side of like, you know, full action of the military, get it done decisively and as violently as possible, which actually will save lives in the long run and that you commit to that. It's. We're already talking. And then the side that's like, well, we shouldn't be there. And there's all these. It's fine to discuss all of those. I, I like those conversations. But the point being is that it's already happening. Just the point that you can't figure out what to do is drawing it out longer.

[Drew]

Hard retard says Brent and Chris. What is your personal record for most pull ups done in one go?

[Chris]

Sure.

[Drew]

Who is your money on between Drew and Magnet for most pull ups?

[Chris]

Oh, he's my brother. I'm gonna give it to Drew.

[Brent]

30.

[Chris]

But so. And I'm. And I already know you are. I'm a strict pull up guy. Strict pull up guy. And 30 was always my goal. I never got 30. I'd get 27, maybe 28. Never got 30.

[Brent]

I think it was in green team because of the advent of the human performance program that guys like me, DJ guys in our class went through. And there was a handful of us and we were kind of the first ones to get to go do this. We're like so optimized by this guy Sean Holes that was running it. He ended up becoming the strength coordinator for the Eagles later.

[Chris]

Really?

[Brent]

Yeah. And we were. The way we did it was like, unlike what we normally do in selections, like, we peaked a couple weeks before and didn't do really much.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

And then we went to the test. We like blew it up on the first physical part. Physical test day of green team. And we all, like, you know, did really great. That was the one time I did 30 put pull ups.

[Chris]

Nice.

[Drew]

Magnus got me beat on the pull ups. The only thing I can put. I can pull up into the drive thru pretty good. That's about. That's about what I do.

[Chris]

Hold on. Magnet. Magnet. Swing it over to Magnet. What's. What's the most amount of pull ups you've ever done at one time? I. I know. And this isn't a hit on you. It's. Everyone's built for something different. You just don't look like you're built for pull ups.

[Drew]

Two for those. Didn't hear them in the mic. You can't do 30.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

£200. Now maybe when I was younger I could do a bunch more, but yeah, I wish we had a pull up bar. Ethan's a student pull ups.

[Chris]

I was just about to go to it at Ethan. How many pull ups can you do?

[Brent]

Like 25, 30.

[Chris]

Get out of here. There. Now is no time to go Tim Kennedy on me. You already started talking about grenades and now you're gonna do this to me?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Look at me again. How many pull ups can you do?

[Brent]

For real? Like when we did that one competition at Easton's house, How many did you get that time? I think 10 or 12.

[Chris]

Yeah, solid. Double digits. Solid.

[Brent]

Braddock, 12. Solid.

[Chris]

In fact, it almost gets harder. Like when you're a little bit younger, a little bit lighter. Like it's working for you. Like it goes like they're a little bit easier, they get harder. They, you know, get easier again as, as you work towards them.

[Brent]

Yeah. So what?

[Chris]

Wiry body Braddock, what do you got? How many pull ups you think you could do right now?

[Brent]

Maybe five or seven.

[Chris]

Five or seven? That is respectable. It doesn't sound like it, but I'm telling you, there's so many people in, in this life can't do a pull up.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah. It's crazy. All right. What else we got, Drew?

[Drew]

We got Brad Freeman says I'm in the field planting all day and need a beer. Which team would successfully extract me a 12 pack from the shop the fastest?

[Chris]

Solid question. Solid question. I'll, I'll tell you something that I think you guys do do a little bit better. Better than us. And it, and it goes, and it goes into and into this. Because I think you'll need this for, for, for, for quickness. I think we're, and we've proved it. We're definitely good enough to do the job. That's. That I'm not worried about. But I think you guys are a little bit better than us holistically at, at jump operations.

[Brent]

That's good to note. I haven't, I haven't. Yeah. The jump program they really have taken seriously over the years.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Brent]

All of the contracting, the Red Bull team and the Flight 1 guys. And I know you guys all have that too, right? Yeah. So if it was a hey ho, you know, with that being said, it's, it's, it's still close because like I said in that jump course I went to, there's a lot of great guys in that course that helped push me through.

[Chris]

But holistically, like Our good jumpers are going to that course.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah.

[Drew]

Said.

[Chris]

And we don't have bad jumpers. You can put us anywhere in the world. We'll get there. But I, I still think you guys, like, if, if it was like a jump competition that I think you guys would, Would, would, would edge us out. I do.

[Brent]

I think the command did. It did. Made a good decision to invest in getting the air subject matter experts into as many possible courses in wind tunnel time as possible. So they're like super, extremely comfortable. So that on, on the average, the average air operations guy, if that was one of your quals, is like an upside down, you know, wind tunnel guy that can just like, you know, flying squirrel around everywhere and just comfortable with all kinds of things and has all the quals, you know, that you, that you can get.

[Chris]

Although this is. This isn't me trying to walk it back. This is just probably me trying to justify why I wasn't as good as some other guys in my squadron. But I've never had a descent fly to target, so.

[Brent]

Exactly.

[Chris]

I never understood why I needed to be that good.

[Brent]

I would only say because when bad things happen.

[Chris]

But you're. That is that. That is the argument for sure.

[Brent]

Get out of it.

[Chris]

That is the argument. Yeah, I'll buy that. I'll buy that. All right, what else we got?

[Drew]

Sully says. Chris, what would you say to someone struggling mentally? I know you've had your own demons. You overcame.

[Chris]

Good question.

[Brent]

Oh, that's very broad scope. But I would say if you have the ability to even say that you are struggling mentally, that it's time to think about what is causing that on a level that's deeper than just the addictions or the habits or the things that you do that make you feel shameful, you know, and then you have this insecure arrogance about it because, you know, nobody knows that you actually do feel that sort of shame and guilt for those things. So instead of continuing that on and feeling like, man, I'm disappointing everybody, but you're angry about it, what's underneath that?

[Chris]

What.

[Brent]

What happened, you know, what are the things all the way back to your childhood that you're not happy with and at least be really honest with yourself to admit those to yourself, you don't have to be anybody else and then figure out solutions to that because now there's a lot of. There's. There's tons of solutions to that that you don't ever even have to really tell anybody. But you can go put the Work in to resolving those. And then all that other. On top of that. Yeah. Just starts to dissolve.

[Drew]

All right, Brent Jennison says a couple weeks ago, you said real men don't need to look at their speedometer to know how fast they're going, and you were absolutely correct. And it's wild.

[Chris]

Thank you, lol. Thank you. Speaking of that, let's. I know we got a ton. We'll get.

[Brent]

We'll.

[Chris]

We'll get through them. Let's. Let's go to the next video. Just. Just real quick.

[Brent]

You guys are doing a good job.

[Drew]

Almost there.

[Brent]

I want to talk more.

[Chris]

You want to talk more?

[Brent]

I'll get you.

[Chris]

I'll get you. Hold on. We don't have to see this. All right.

[Brent]

I'll think about some questions.

[Chris]

I'll bring it. Bring it back out towards just us, and just make sure that we are good. I'm just waiting to see it.

[Drew]

They're saying we're back.

[Chris]

All right, all right.

[Brent]

We're.

[Chris]

We're back. All right, you. You guys want to get. You guys want to get back into this? Let's get back into this. All right, Drew, bring up Instagram. Scroll down a little further, a little further. I'm gonna find it here in a second. Oh, let me see. Toughness. I think it's toughness right there. Hey, hustle up, kid. You're good.

[Brent]

That guy's.

[Chris]

Look at this little legend.

[Brent]

Awesome.

[Chris]

Whoa, you. Did you see that video?

[Brent]

Yeah, I've seen that before.

[Chris]

All right, you're taking a baseball to the face. You spit out a tooth, you run into first base.

[Brent]

Yeah, I gotta touch the base to be safe. Yeah.

[Chris]

All right. Staying. Staying focused. Staying focused, Braddock.

[Brent]

Yeah, I'll probably go to the base, and then, like, my teammate will come and bring me something. Like your tooth. Like your tooth or something, and then go super glue or something about.

[Chris]

Okay, here's. Here's my. Here's my next question.

[Brent]

That's my boy.

[Chris]

I'll tell you why I love that question. But let me tell you what I. I hate about the current NBA. And everyone my age does. Oh, yeah, we got some floppers. We got people that are flopping when nothing hits them yet. This is why everyone loves the American hockey team so much that won the gold medal because my man took a. Took a. A stick to the mouth, lost a tooth, never left the game. Stays in, hits, hits, hits the game winner. You know, like, that would have. LeBron would have flopped like a. Like a. Like a soccer player on that.

[Brent]

It's become a Sort of an entitled culture of flopping that, you know, it's just the throwing the head back drives me crazy. I used to love cba.

[Chris]

I know. What, what are your thoughts on flopping? Is it getting the job done and doing what you got to do or stupid. You don't. You don't respect the flopper?

[Brent]

No, they look. They look like noodles just jumping on the floor.

[Chris]

Stupid noodles jumping on the floor.

[Brent]

Yeah. Also, Brandon, I have a question for you. What's your NBA team?

[Chris]

The Orlando Magic. I'm always a home team guy. I'm a little magic. Drew, let's go back to ig that. We. We went with that one. That actually wasn't the. The one I was looking for. But. But it. It fit. It fit. Especially when I found out he was playing travel ball. Keep, you know, the other. The other way because we. We. I saw this.

[Brent]

Did you see that one recently?

[Chris]

Stop for just a second. Let me read that one. This one. This is what I want. Pay attention. Pay attention, everyone.

[Brent]

All right.

[Chris]

You watching that? Okay. All right. This is. Oh, it's. It's always. It's always dangerous when, when you're dealing with kids because they're. They're. They're a wild card. They're a wild card. All right. I told him to be honest, but I trust his family enough. We'll. We'll start. Start out with Ethan. Worst punishment you ever had. And why did you get punished?

[Brent]

Probably sitting in my room for two hours.

[Chris]

Why'd you get punished?

[Brent]

Because I was cursing.

[Chris]

Oh, yeah. You know, I remember the first time I cussed in front of my dad. I dropped something in the kitchen and I let it slip out and I looked at my dad in absolute fear.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And he just looked at me and goes. Just kind of sugar. Said I was like.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

That he. He knew. He knew I knew. And my dad was a pretty hard nosed guy. I can't believe he didn't do anything about that. You're a little bit. You're a little bit older, Braddock. You have a few more years to do. To do dumb things. Worst punishment. And why did you get it?

[Brent]

All I can remember is like getting my E bike token for I think three weeks or something.

[Chris]

That's a long time. Three weeks.

[Drew]

A good one.

[Chris]

What? Hold on. That's half of it. Now you gotta. What'd you do?

[Brent]

I don't even remember.

[Chris]

Chris, do you remember?

[Brent]

I think I remember. It was mom that punished me. Me. Oh, punishment. Okay. All right.

[Chris]

Oh, hold on. I got a question for you. For for both. Who's harder on you, mom or dad?

[Brent]

Dad.

[Chris]

Dad.

[Drew]

No hesitation.

[Chris]

How about you? Either you. You're the baby of the family. You think it's still dad?

[Brent]

Mom. That's funny. Dude. Dude, I know. I know they do the cursing because we stop. I'm trying to. I'm trying to get our whole family to stop. But I still do. I still do. But Kyle Moran taught me like, I gotta do some, you know, ten burpees every time. Yeah, that's a good way. But now it's just trying to teach in the right context, you know, when and when not to.

[Chris]

That's right.

[Brent]

You know, that's. Braddock just got a ticket for his E motorcycle from. He got pulled over but, you know, doing wheelies and stuff. Court date. Court date.

[Chris]

You got a court date?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Oh, man. That gives. That gives you street cred though.

[Brent]

It was a little unfair.

[Chris]

It gives you some street credit, is it not?

[Brent]

It does give you. Yeah, you get. Yeah. And he was just getting from A to B on that one.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

But we have a huge problem where we're at with the E bike gangs of kids.

[Chris]

Yeah, I know, dude.

[Brent]

There's ones they ruin it for everyone. Throwing rocks at the cops and getting out and vandalizing and harassing adults. And he's not. I know. Yeah. He's got rolled up.

[Chris]

I hate that. All right, back to the super chats.

[Drew]

So he says was row for Delta Team 6 fair.

[Chris]

I never. I never had a problem with it. And I never felt like I was restricted to. To do my job

[Brent]

for a while. I think that. And then there was a point where just in Afghanistan it started to turn into really restricted ROEs. You have to bring a certain number of these partner force guys with you that get. Can get dangerous. And it was like that was around I think like 2000 and 2012 ish or something. And got real frustrating and more dangerous. Hey, even got to the point where in Somalia against. Against like legit Somalia ISIS guys, they were like, you are just going to take them up to the last point of COVID and concealment.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

And they're gonna go do the target. And that was tough to do. And more dangerous. And especially if it's gonna help them. It got right.

[Chris]

And that's where it gets dangerous. Because if they get in. Because if they screw something up and get in trouble now you're entered at. At a very bad point.

[Brent]

Yeah. And it just became this hopeless attempt to convert them into Navy seals. And actually even in reporting. Go exaggerate how good they are. And that was really, really. That was.

[Drew]

That.

[Brent]

That was partly, you know, helped me on my way out to go. It's just, yeah, I did what I came to do and for multiple reasons.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Joe Saunders says, honest question, no jokes. After you both do work, then read press about it later. The writing weren't there, but they pull the Monday morning quarterback act. Does it bother you?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

The writers weren't there, so this is what I'm thinking. He's trying to. To say, yep.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You ever have that happen to you?

[Brent]

Yeah, all the time. Iraq, not so much. It seemed like more accurate reporting somehow. But for Afghanistan, I don't know how they would. What their system was for the US Publications and outlets to get their news, but it seemed like they were getting it from Afghan news and Twitter and whatever those people said was what they reported. And you're like, dude, that was not a school.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

That was not a mosque. That was. And we have all the intel to prove it, and we're operating, so. But once they say it, do it and don't verify it. It's just. That's how mainstream just got really real bad.

[Chris]

There were two things that are always super impressive to me, which was one, how they could write a story and. And it not be well vetted or very true. I'm like, ah, okay. But the other one was sometimes like, how true it could be. Like, whoa. That was. That. That was. That was. That was pretty good.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Where'd you get that?

[Brent]

But.

[Chris]

But the problem is because it's so all over the place, like you. You as a civilian, because you don't know which one is true or not. You don't know. You can't tell. You don't know which one to believe.

[Brent]

There can be mistakes. But we had a really high level level of intel and layers to it, you know, multiple agencies and intel just not nearly as inaccurate as they wanted to portray it.

[Drew]

Brand. We doing a commercial break this week?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Drew]

All right.

[Chris]

Yeah, let's do a commercial break. And we'll be right back.

[Brent]

Here we go.

[Chris]

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[Drew]

We are brothers in craft, bound by

[Brent]

purpose and forged in pride.

[Chris]

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[Brent]

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[Chris]

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[Brent]

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[Drew]

those who live by the same code.

[Chris]

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[Brent]

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[Chris]

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[Brent]

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[Chris]

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[Brent]

See how far away easy is?

[Chris]

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[Drew]

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[Brent]

Okay.

[Drew]

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[Chris]

Oh, this. That's just, that's just a grenade lighter. Just. That's all that is.

[Drew]

Drew, do you have 50 of those?

[Chris]

Yo, you only need one. You only need one. If you use them right, you only need one. All right, back to the super chats. We'll do a few more and we got, we'll head back over here to some, some videos to talk about because we got some shark videos and I got some questions I want to ask.

[Drew]

Zulu Whiskey says, what's up, boys? Our non Green Team SEAL Team six members looked down on like Clint Emerson and Chris Beck. Oh, but name, name dropping tonight, you know, Golly, Chris, Sharks tonight.

[Chris]

I, I see what they did with, with some of those names. Okay.

[Brent]

See that I wouldn't say looked down upon. It also depends on.

[Chris]

Or that's why the person or that's why they're looked down upon.

[Brent]

It depends on the personality of the guy. But it. I think that. True, you've talked about this recently. I think I saw you. It can't happen without the support. Right? And very important. Different squadrons have different personalities towards those guys and the way that they handle them. Kind of like you do, you know, I handle different employees different, I guess, but they're, they're assets. And so no, they shouldn't be looked upon. But if they are assholes and you know, they got to be put. Put in place or whatever. But I think that it is important to delineate the difference between selection guys and support guys that they have their own little versions of selections that they. I agree they all tend to call them Green Team, but like, it's not Green Team. It's just their version of Green Team. And so I don't mean that any kind of like demeaning or no condescending way. It just, that's the truth.

[Chris]

Here's what's unique about, I think, what you just said. Even though we were very nice to our support people, I also agree with you. There needs to be a delineation between operators and support and good support guys. You never have to remind them of that. They know that. And, and, and that's so you don't have to make the delineation. People who, who understand reality do it already naturally, and everything works the way it should work. Yeah.

[Brent]

And you know, like a good example, they, like, they start wearing their patches. You stay wearing your patches. You're like, it's not because of the patches. It's because what it took to get those is even more than just the selection, because there's more after that to earn those patches. And so just make your own version of that. That's a little. That's different from it for your guys.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Drew]

Braden Medlin says, when I was overseas, I smoked little acid cigars. And my PSG pulled me aside one night and emphasized to me flavored cigars aren't cigars. Out of respect for him, I never smoked a flavored cigar again.

[Chris]

So the truth is that's, that's true and that's not true. Flavored cigars got me into cigars. Flavored cigars got Drew and a cigar bottom betting. Now it's like anything else. Like, guess what? Zima got some guys in the drinking. Yeah, Right.

[Brent]

But you know, latte's got some guys into coffee.

[Chris]

Exactly. But doesn't mean that's. That's where you're. Where, where you need to stay. So I don't look down on them. If you're a beginner. If you're a beginner, I'm like, yeah, start somewhere.

[Brent]

Somewhere.

[Chris]

And that's what I hate when people.

[Brent]

I started with acid too.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

I was making fun of you when we were at Chacha. You started smoking the acid.

[Chris]

I'm like, and I'll tell you what, after graduating and, you know, and, and smoking good cigars and every now and again, I'll have an acid. And it actually reminds me why, yes, they're really, they're, I would say really bad, but they're bad cigars with a flavor on them. And, And I'm like, oh, now I get it. But at the beginning, you don't know that.

[Drew]

Yeah, but if you like acid cigars and you like Drew Estate, Fat Bottom Betties and stuff like that, and Sweet Rose. Oh, man, the frcc Sweet Charlie is going to knock y' all socks off. All right, says Chris. Good to see you on the podcast. This is Alex. G. Says a question. When you were with GBRS group, was it ever talked about what happened when Slade left or got the SWAT team called on him by the other members?

[Brent]

Yes, I. I experienced some of that going on while working there, and that was tough because I'm friends with both those. All those guys, and to this day, I'm friends with all of them, so I support all their things. I'm glad that it's kind of worked out for both sides to. They've both found a lot of success in the things they're doing. But when that happened, it was tough to understand because I was not an entrepreneur, you know, yet. And now that I am, I understand things from a different level. And yes, things. Things like that can happen. And yeah, there's. There's levels to that. But, yeah, it was a tough moment because we were all teammates and. But it's tough to say, too, that, like, people go like, it's not personal. It's business. Like that. It. Business is personal. It's your life.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

It's your livelihood. So there's a reason why it got as difficult and challenging between them as it did. But I understand. I fully now understand more of the. Of the truth of that situation from. From both perspectives, because being friends with both of them, so I can say there's things that both sides could have done better, and things that they did, they did well. But what they did do is they finally, you know, they found a way to move past it. So.

[Chris]

Yeah, and it goes back to. And. And this isn't me just, like, not having a stance. This is me. I will have a stance. If. If I haven't say, I will tell you. But it goes back to kind of what I said earlier. Like, there's three versions of every story, right?

[Brent]

Yeah, exactly.

[Chris]

And. And sometimes that just fits.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

You know, Anyway, so he says, did infantry guys, especially in early G. Wat some call it Guat, have a harder time than tier 1 and other SF? I've heard 22 SAS guys say this who were infantry before Chris.

[Brent]

Yeah, I think it was really hard. A really difficult environment, especially daytime stuff. And with the IED threat being their number one, the bad guys, number one tool against us. Those were very effective, especially against infantry guys. And so that's one thing I also talk about, or that I think, too, and we talk about the differences between soft and conventional units, is that. Imagine this, like, because of the. The gravity of the way that we operate, the selections it takes to get there, those are those Are hard, you know, but imagine being deployed for, like, over a year.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You know that, like, those guys do and, you know, what's that one movie about that where I think that Toby Maguire, I think, is the guy that's in it.

[Chris]

Restrepo or.

[Brent]

Oh, man, I can't remember right now, but it's a very. It's about the family dynamic. He comes back and. And his brother, you know, and stuff with his wife.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Jake.

[Chris]

Jake Gyllenhaal. No. Was that Jake Gyllenhaal? Yeah.

[Brent]

That's a good one. To. To talk about how difficult that life is and how. How being gone for, like, a year at a time, deployed like that is not easy at all. I can't even imagine that. Our deployments. My longest one was seven months. That's tough then. Four months, you know, but we went. We went on faster rotations, but. But the length of the rotation is difficult if it's. If it's that long. Was it jar head? It might have been. Might have been jarhead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe.

[Drew]

All right, Dubs, War room says concerning the draft, if a guy doesn't want to be there, if his heart's not in it, I don't want him next to me or watching my back in a draft.

[Brent]

You're gonna have to accept that if you're. If you're. There's gonna be guys like that in the draft. No, no, you have to figure that out.

[Drew]

Human performance. TRT says. Chris, you can give me a call and we can work out the video edit.

[Brent]

You know what's funny is I've been on this detox program, this deep detox by this guy. This guy. You should look. Look him up, Josh. Joshua Messine. And I'm like, the second stage in. On the. I did, like, the. The full gut detox, the liver detox, and I feel like a million bucks. My testosterone has already. I did labs before this thing, and the labs like. Like last week, my testosterone's gone up, and I.

[Chris]

Good.

[Brent]

I stopped the TRT just to do this detox. And see, it's like, what are your numbers at?

[Chris]

Do you remember?

[Brent]

So I think when I was on the TRT was staying around 550 to 600, and we were kind of staying level there with it for the last few years.

[Chris]

I hate to hear those. Your numbers on trt, that means they were pretty low.

[Brent]

Yeah. And I think before that, it was like, in the three hundreds or something like that. And my. My dose was small, like, right. You know, Right. Like half a milliliter. A week or something.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

From down one. Because when I started to do one milliliter, I was starting to get like, symptoms like. Like that I didn't want, like acne and like that. So I was like, hey, I need to dial it down. So I stopped that. And it's. It's staying pretty consistent around in like 4 to 500 from afterwards in these detoxes and just kind of changing a little. Changing. Changing some things. But, man, it's. It's incredible. I would really recommend. Recommend it. It's tough too. So once I realized it was a challenge, the first one I did on his program was called the Five Day Resurrection. Resurrection. It's a five day fast. Oh. And the first day and a half is really hard. But by the third, fourth and fifth day, I felt amazing. Like I could just keep going with the fast. And once that gut, like a pound and a half of this stuff just comes out that does these enzymes. That's part of the program. Kind of dissolves the. The mucus plaque. I'm telling you guys, look it up. It's. You'll feel amazing. It's in a. It's. I'm a believer in it now. And my. In my testosterone's going up.

[Drew]

Yeah, I did. Every day. All right, let's see. Buff like Jesus says, Brent, you need to acquire a Omen Nightmare from Nemo Arms because everyone, including just another 11 bravo needs a.300 win mag pistol.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

All right.

[Chris]

Omen nightmare from Nemo. Okay. I do like Nemo. So we'll see.

[Drew]

Obviously, Chamber says, where does Chris stand on soft serve?

[Brent]

We don't make any, but when we do, it's going to be called soft serve.

[Chris]

So off serve.

[Drew]

Nice.

[Chris]

Nice.

[Drew]

What was the first flavor ice cream you made where you thought you nailed it and it was that your starting point for building out the other flavors?

[Brent]

It was the first flavor that I sold any ice cream. The first time I sold any ice cream. And I used the. I was like, man, when I launch this, it's got to be something epic. I had just been pretty confident about my formulas, but I was like, that was a weird feeling to go. I don't know if anybody's gonna like, it might suck. You know, the style of ice cream I want to make. And it was a strawberry shortcake flavor thing with some white chocolate bits made from the strawberries from the farm right down where we live at in strawberry season called Pungo Farms. So it was made with. Made with that. And it was my first sale. And I think we Knocked it out of the park. And yeah, I use my wife and my boys as taste testers for that to go. Is this. Would you buy it? Would you buy this? And they, they both loved it. So it's, it's. Yeah, it's.

[Chris]

Personal opinion. Your favorite flavor

[Brent]

of all time or

[Chris]

do you have one?

[Brent]

Yeah, right now, my favorite flavor of ours is this. So I got a guy now and he is a wizard. He's a natural talent at flavoring ice cream. So he's learned how to make it based off my formulas. But I haven't made ice cream in a while now. His name's Tony. He's great. He's going to be part of the brand with me and has the personality for it and everybody in town loves him. He's a great dude and I, and I trust and believe in him now. It's been going great. So he made this flavor, a new coffee flavor called Boots on the Ground. And it's just been crushing and selling out. It is like a shaken espresso coffee flavor ice cream.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

With brown sugar. So brown sugar shaken espresso ice cream, basically with toffee, chocolate covered toffee pieces in it. And I've never had anything like it. It's great. So that's my current favorite flavor of all time, mint chocolate chips. So my version of that is Millie mint cookie chip. And I named that after one of my teammates that passed on the deployment after I got out, Kyle Milliken. And the proceeds from that flavor when we launch it, and there's a little story of him on the back of the package that you'll see, proceeds from that flavor will go directly to the Milliken family.

[Chris]

Love to, love to hear that.

[Brent]

That's awesome.

[Chris]

I do, I love that.

[Brent]

Thanks, man.

[Drew]

So he says thoughts on US Stance on Iran, Ukraine, and we'll, we'll go,

[Chris]

we'll go a little bit shorter with, with the answers and try to get caught up on these.

[Drew]

We got a long ways to go with.

[Chris]

Okay, all right. Lightning round. Lightning round.

[Drew]

That's on U. S. Stance on Iran,

[Brent]

Ukraine, two different wars, but yeah, Iran, I'd say lots of layers. We, you know, you can, you can, you can fuss about the reasons why we go in any war, but there's always going to be layers. Some are going to be political, some are going to be resources. So for sure, it's, it's an advantage for us to have control of the straight or Hormuz. Now when everybody wants to go talk about alliances with Israel and all those kind of things. I agree with a lot of those things. You know, we need to not be sort of pushed around by them and what we commit to. But you got to consider all the layers on why we're. Why we're doing that and not just pick one lane to form your whole opinion about. But it does need to be done if we're going to do it needs to be done fast and quick and it's already stalling out and that's not good.

[Chris]

Yes, I agree. I think Ukraine was a Europe problem and I really wish we'd have stayed pretty much out of it and just forced Europe to deal with it. And Iran is our problem. I don't mind dealing with it it, but I don't want to see it stall at the same time.

[Brent]

Yeah, and there's. Yeah, yeah.

[Drew]

Dusty go Tiger says always here for the lives and any pods. Brents on and watch everything Chris does also, so this is a real treat. Thanks, fellas. By the way, Chris, you clone those boys? Yeah, they do.

[Brent]

They look like them.

[Drew]

Drew, tossing you an easy one. Wwd, what would Jews do? I mean, Jesus do? Which was a Jew? Alex G. Says so Chris, did Rob kill ubl? Brent and Chris, when clearing a structure, are constantly switching from safe to fire or just clearing without going unsafe. First part, I believe for the 4.99 Super Chat.

[Brent]

We, me and Brent can have different opinions. All good. But I say yes in. In combination with the other guys. That put hold on him too.

[Chris]

That's not a different opinion. Good. In combination with the other guys. Sure. Yeah, I'd get down on that.

[Brent]

Yeah. And then let's see. Clearance structure constantly switching from safe to fire. Yes, definitely different. Real, real combat than training because of, you know, the safety of. Of where you're pointing everything. But combat's a whole different thing. But that's why we train so hard, because you have the confidence to be on fire when you need to, when you want to. So. Yes, but, you know, definitely. Yeah, but I'd probably be on fire more in combat than on safe, like in training.

[Drew]

And if you want to know the first part of that question, you'll have to see his episode when it drops.

[Chris]

That's right. Yeah, that's right. Nice, Drew.

[Drew]

All right. Solely 1, 2, 3, 4. Australian SAS Joe Hotai said u. S. General told them we haven't got means to take POWs. After big firefight in Iraq, they had Iraqi POWs and tied them up and left. Would SEAL Team 6 Delta do same? Is it ever right to kill POWs?

[Chris]

Is it Ever. Right. That it's, it's always tough when you, when you talk in.

[Brent]

Right.

[Chris]

And what's that?

[Drew]

Absolute.

[Chris]

An absolute.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

There's lots of variables in life. Life is complicated. War is complicated.

[Brent]

I'd say generally we want to be the good guys.

[Chris]

Correct?

[Drew]

Yes.

[Chris]

99.9 of time, though. We're the good guys.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And we strive to be like even.

[Brent]

We talk about collateral damage. You're like, hey, I want everyone. We don't practice killing women and children for sure. You know, but the bad guys, they don't practice that. They, it's not, I don't think there's rules. They use it our values against us.

[Drew]

But women and children, they do get killed in war.

[Brent]

They can. Yeah.

[Drew]

Even though that's not the target. All right. Alex G says Brent, did the panos work? Are the digital ones a viable option for the money?

[Chris]

I, I, I talked about that earlier. They do work and they are good for the money. They're not cheap. They, they have their benefits. They have their negatives as anything would that, that now don't get me wrong. If they cost 20 grand or higher, I'd be very hard on them. They're 4k compared to what they could be. I'm, I'm being, I will be fair with them. But yes, they, they work. And I'll, I'll do an episode. Absolutely. Telling you all the goods and all the ups and downs about it.

[Drew]

Fire dog says love Thursday nights. Wife is shopping for me. Sonny Marbury, our boy lineman Brent. What's the chances of your beer surviving around with that kit on? Nice to see y' all on this fine Thursday. Side note, magnet, I'm hunting a Milwaukee hot dog roller that I posted on page Patreon.

[Brent]

Oh, Patreon's going to be happy with me. I'm coming out with a hot dog. A tactical hot dog T shirt.

[Chris]

Are you really?

[Drew]

Yep. That'll be a cool T shirt.

[Brent]

I want that T shirt.

[Chris]

Very small chance of it stopping a. A low power 22.

[Brent]

Do you want some lemonade, Brent?

[Chris]

If you can get it back here. Keep working it.

[Drew]

But it, but it can stop a Utah 30 out 6 though. All right. Holy fook, Chris. Where did you learn to make ice cream? How do you decide what flavors you come out with? Can you make a dark chocolate orange flavor with chocolate chips?

[Brent]

Hell yeah.

[Drew]

If you remember Swensons from past, that sounds delicious.

[Brent]

You remember those little. Yeah, I did it. Nice driving, dude. You remember those orange chocolates that you like an orange and you break them.

[Chris]

I know Exactly.

[Brent]

That's what it would taste like in my opinion, because I loved those. But I learned how to make ice cream at Penn State and there's an ice cream school that's been there for, I think like close to 150 years. Some of the founders of different brands, you know, Ben and Jerry's and stuff like that, they went there. That's where I learned. So I learned, I self taught as a. In childhood and, and recipes and things. And then I made it official through there learning how to do, learning the science of ice cream. So that's what, that's where I learned how. And then, you know, the years after that, doing my contract work, I just was developing my formulas, taste testing around the neighborhood and figuring my, my style of ice cream out that I, that I. And you figure that out by filling, like solving problems of things, that there's ice creams out there. What's missing? What's missing from brands that I want, that I want? How do I want the ice cream? And that's how I, that's how I did my ice cream.

[Drew]

David Hookstead says Seal Team 6 and CAG are the pride of Tier 1. Brent, what's something you think Seal Team 6 does? Incredible. Chris, what's something you really respect about Delta Force Unstoppable together?

[Chris]

Oh, absolutely. You don't, you don't want, you don't want those, those two units to start looking at your network. That I'm assured of. I said a little bit earlier, I think, I think, I think they can edge us out in the, in the jump world. If there was like a unit wide jump competition. Unit wide.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

I think you guys would edge us out.

[Brent]

I think that utilizing like everything else. Yeah, maybe everything else, like ranger elements, their, their cordons, the way that they contain the target, you know, as they go assault, I think that they're just maybe, maybe better at that.

[Chris]

And

[Brent]

yeah, I just. The way that they operate collectively with that and individuals, just great.

[Drew]

Six's mom, what's the one place you've both been that you just hated? We're like, nope, I don't like it here. The situation didn't have to be bad, just the area. Aloha from Kauai. Don't try Drew. Brent.

[Chris]

All right, what do you got?

[Brent]

I got the. This. We did a mountainous op, was great experience, but it was also some miserable moments up in this mountain in Somalia where we, we got approved to go for like almost a month and sleeping in. I mean it was over 100 degrees at night and lots of Mortars landing every night. And there was, you know, we. We were standing. We were in a bowl on the low ground to. To. To where the enemies were at. So that didn't feel good. The worst part of it, though, was getting. Finding a way. Strategizing a way to get into my cot with a mosquito net around it, caked with a blanket of mosquitoes every night to where you couldn't even see into the. The cot, and then killing the ones that got in, you know, on you. Right. And then figuring out how you're gonna make your way out of that in the morning, you know? Disgusting.

[Chris]

Yeah, mountains. Yeah, mountains suck. Especially daytime mountains. A lot of vegetation. When you know it's bad guy area, it's just.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Not. Nothing good's gonna happen. Yeah.

[Drew]

Single wide. Steve says, drew, turn off the ads. Just got an ad for Roblox. Puke.

[Brent]

Yeah, you guys are not allowed to play Roblox.

[Chris]

Sorry.

[Drew]

Solely 1, 2, 3, 4 says. Would you get Australian SAS? Joe Hatai on your show? What did you guys think of the Australian sas?

[Chris]

I thought. I thought they were good dudes. I did. I didn't get a lot of exposure to them, but the little I got thought they were good dudes.

[Brent]

Yeah, me too. Anytime we exchange with them, they're always, you know. But when you do exchanges, you're also trying to send your good dude.

[Chris]

Right? Yeah. That's a lot of truth of that too. Right? Yeah.

[Drew]

Holy food, says Chris. Who was your favorite non US Unit to work with and why did you ever do an exchange program? Where in the world was your favorite place to operate?

[Chris]

That's a good question.

[Brent]

Yeah, I never exchanged. I was probably too much of a liberty risk during those opportunities, maybe, or something. And you want to send your consummate professional. I just, you know, mature guys. But I'd say the. The Brit, the SBS guys that attach with us, always awesome guys. A lot of them integrated into our communities. A lot of them even stayed after, you know, they retired and stayed around and have some great friends from those guys.

[Chris]

All right,

[Drew]

I'm sorry. I'm just looking for one. Someone said I missed one, but I can't find it. Let's see. We'll do this one. How much did you guys sacrifice for your units, and was it worth it? Everything.

[Chris]

Everything. And yes, I did. I sacrificed my health, sacrifice my body, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't give that up for the world.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

I got to live the rest of my crippled bad back, bad knee, bad memory life knowing that.

[Brent]

Yeah. And my family Too Guys treat that differently. But it was. I was not one of the guys that was. Figured out a good way to balance that. Well, you know, 100% on both fronts. So. Yeah. And then. But I'm grateful for it. I wouldn't take it back because it's now the way it is now because. Because of that.

[Chris]

All right.

[Drew]

Dwazi says who has a nicer compound? Dev grew or the unit.

[Chris]

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say we do. I really do like her compound. I think I really do like her compound especially. And here. Here's where the. The kicker sways it. I like her. I like her team room setup. But I love that we. We got rain. The amount of ranges that we have. Yeah. There just kind of sways it.

[Brent]

Yeah, I think I agree with that. The way that it's set up. Ours had an old side to it. It was kind of piecemeal together and great facilities and they've. They've. I know it's been. Been improved on more especially the. The human performance side of things and sustainability. Kill house things and. But some of the ranges are older. I don't know if they made a lot of improvements. I do not like the. The current. The team room set up. We like the way it used to be. They took sort of the team intimacy out of that and allowed. It was almost like these office spaces that anybody could just kind of cruise through. It's like. Like we had a safe space with the operator team room. It's not like that anymore.

[Drew]

Cryptic double x says, would you ever get any of the Vietnam sog guys on?

[Chris]

Yep, Got one on the last podcast. I will definitely have one on this podcast. Just a matter of time.

[Brent]

Dude, those jungle warfare stories would be awesome. I love hearing those. Love them.

[Drew]

Gooch parmesan says good old crisp fetish dude is out here cranking out cones. Freaking rad guy. Suck it, Brent. Love you, bro. Having fun on Thursday. Bacon forge says how about inviting some seals like Chris to join us at 50 for the fallen.

[Chris]

Yeah, we're gonna do a 911 ruck march. Partnered with 50 for the fallen, a non profit there. 911 at the memorial.

[Brent]

That's awesome.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Drew]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Brent]

Oh, no, I'm down. Yeah.

[Drew]

Solely says which unit in u. S. Military has best bonds. How to replicate in other units.

[Brent]

Yeah, Military has best bonds bonding.

[Chris]

Like bonding between two different units or within the. The.

[Brent]

Within the unit with camaraderie.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

I mean I think it's a high level of camaraderie. And the reason why it's so difficult with the drama things is because it's like, almost like a betrayal if you, if you move on from that. That's what I felt. You know, not, not moving on from the brotherhood, but the, the code that you live by.

[Chris]

Okay,

[Drew]

why isn't Magnet feeding the boys hot dogs? What up, slackers?

[Chris]

Because he ate them all.

[Drew]

Because Brent threw my hot dog.

[Chris]

Oh, we're back to that? Back to that. Okay. All right. Was. Hey, boys.

[Brent]

I thought they'd ask more questions.

[Chris]

Sorry, Chris. The have. Have you. Have. Have you yet or when are you going to take your boys diving?

[Brent]

I have not yet. That would be a great, great. I'd love to take them diving. That, that also is stuff that I've kind of waited like, hey, when they start to hit that like 13 to 15 year old range where they can really retain the. The safety information. Same thing with shooting. Like we're practicing in the house now with the unit solutions. New pistol is awesome. You set up targets and they're getting to that. That age now where they can retain the safety information that I talk about and actually remember it. So I think diving will come soon. Like I haven't been diving that much myself. I think, you know, I've got my NAUI card still. Yep. And. But that would be fun. And we have. We really can. It's easy for us to do it where we live in Virginia Beach.

[Chris]

Drew, let's go to the Instagram real quick because there's. Because this is a perfect time to come talk about this. Scroll all the way down. Just real quick. Now. Now start scrolling up a little more. A little more. A little more. Who is it? That one. It might be with that one. The blue. Let's try that one. The blue water. Your next chapter in healthcare starts at Carrington College's School of Nursing in Portland. Join us for our open house on Tuesday, January 13th from 4 to 7pm you'll tour our campus, see live demos, meet instructors, and learn about our associate degree in nursing program that prepares you to become a registered nurse. Take the first step toward your nursing career. Save your spot now at Carrington Edu events. For information on program outcomes, visit Carrington Edu Sci.

[Brent]

The water man. Show me what you got.

[Chris]

Who's got a fish? Who wants one?

[Drew]

Shark.

[Brent]

Oh, no.

[Chris]

Oh, sharks. Is a little off on his timing. Or maybe that's what the shark was going for. Probably not, cuz for the fish. Yeah, going for the fish.

[Brent]

Darn. I wonder if he's.

[Chris]

You know, you still you still want to go diving?

[Brent]

That's different. Spear fishing I got. Spear fishing's a. I thought you meant skydiving. Oh, I think you got to be 18 for that one. And I'm not. Not current, so I'd have to.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

Yeah. I'd have to practice a little too, to go with you.

[Chris]

Speaking. Speaking of sharks, you. You ever seen any sharks diving, Chris? You know, like doing seal stuff?

[Brent]

Yeah, we saw a couple different sharks, but especially when we were training is like just. It was almost like bugs. They just, you know, we didn't. We weren't fishing or spear fishing and just kind of curious. And it is at first, you know, nerve wracking. We were diving Key west and so, yeah, you see stuff. Barracudas were more scary.

[Chris]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You don't see a lot of.

[Drew]

I don't.

[Chris]

You actually don't know if I saw a shark in ours. We did a lot of training in Key West. Yeah, but barracudas for sure.

[Brent]

And you know, I'd probably my pants if I saw a great white. I've never seen one. There was one that swam, you know, got near us when we were doing that long seven, seven mile swim around the island.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You know, in third phase, we didn't see it. They just, you know, we're like, hey, stop for a minute. Make sure we're clear. The great whites moving towards us and then continue to swim. So. But yeah, barracudas suck because when they're curious, they get close and they're little, just the huge eyeballs, just like looking at you floating and you're like, oh, my God, you know, get away.

[Chris]

We did get. I didn't see it, but we did get pulled out of the water for saltwater croc in the area.

[Brent]

Yeah, creepy too.

[Chris]

Let me tell you. There's those things. I think I'd probably rather see a great white than. Than a saltwater crop because they're just so aggressive.

[Brent]

When we got the. The shark zapper tails when we started training in the pool and testing out jet boots and things like that.

[Chris]

Yeah, jet boots were fun.

[Brent]

They're awesome. Then we had the little zapper tails that attached to your belt and felt much better about, you know, being in the water at night with those, knowing that you had a little, you know, electromagnetic, you know, field around you with those little zapper tails.

[Chris]

What else we got, Drew?

[Drew]

Soli says SAS guys said they did live shooting with people next to targets, even royal family, politicians, etc. Good practice. No, is same done in SEAL Team six. Or Delta.

[Brent]

No, it sounds dumb.

[Chris]

No, Bush came, you know, and. And before my time and did some stuff there. I think it's a good. It is. There's a balance to that. I think there's a. It's a good thing for them to see. See how good you are to have an affinity, you know, to that. You know, and that connection. But it can't turn into a circus to where now you're just always entertaining them and doing the horse.

[Brent]

I thought you literally meant like downrange, near targets that you're shooting at. You know, in confidence that you're going to hit the targets and they're like, observe. If they're observing live shooting. I agree with.

[Drew]

Yeah, that's how it's written.

[Chris]

You.

[Drew]

You understood it the way it was written. They're shooting with people next to targets.

[Brent]

I don't. Yeah, that's. That doesn't even.

[Drew]

Royal family.

[Brent]

I don't know why you would need to or anything. And just like, maybe it's cool. I've seen some. Some people doing weird stuff online, but that's. It's just dumb.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Chase. Chase. Lee says 11 Bravo from the 101st. We got pissed. Tested within every 30 days, even on deployment.

[Brent]

Yeah, that's a lot.

[Chris]

And honestly, I feel like I got pissed. I just did more of the unit than I ever did anywhere else.

[Brent]

Me too.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

In hair follicle testing was like. It almost felt like every couple of weeks at one point, if you were. When you were local deployed. We had a couple.

[Drew]

Dylan Robbins says, honest question. I'm 23, I have two kids and I'm married. I've been with my wife since we were 15 and she knows I've always wanted to join infantry. I hesitate now because it's kids. What's your thoughts?

[Chris]

I. I say what I always say. Live a life of no regrets. If there's a. There's a party that wants to do it, you can always think of reasons why not to.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

But send it.

[Brent]

I say you need to. And communicate well and just, you know, help. Help her understand that. With that life. To be ready for that life. And did.

[Chris]

I mean, you had kids while you were in, didn't you?

[Brent]

No, we had. We didn't.

[Chris]

You got them all. You got them all. Well, you would have had kids while you're in.

[Brent]

Braddock was born a year after I got to dev group.

[Chris]

Right. So you had kids while you're in. Yeah, so I had kids while I was in. Being a father and being the military is. Is. Is a Part of life.

[Brent]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Chris]

There you go. You can do it, too.

[Brent]

Yeah, for sure.

[Drew]

Only Fuchs says, hey, Chris, why didn't you leave the JV team and try out for varsity at Delta? Just asking for a friend.

[Chris]

Besides that real quick. Did you ever. Because some people have. It's rare. But did. Did it ever even cross your mind to be like, maybe Delta because you could. That's an option for you. It's not an option for me. So that's the reason why I ask.

[Brent]

It didn't for me because, you know, I ended my career short, right. But if I went a little bit longer and gained enough experience to. To have the confidence go, hey, I'm gonna get out of here, go through whatever the whole process is for that. Because I think the. The one guy that did. His name's not slipping my mind right now. The Team Six guy that went to Delta afterwards, he had already gotten out of the military and was like, had to itch to get back in and was like, well, I'm going to go this route now. I understand that. And I actually felt that way when I got out. I was like, man, I could still do this. And then I would have considered it and gone, well, let me go this route, because I can go. I already have the skills. I can go through the process and then go. Their selection is. Is. Is open now. It's not so typical. Like, people think, like, it's like a Hollywood story. Maybe this has happened before where like an infantry guy goes, you know, and has enough, you know, capacity to learn, you know, Special Forces skill set so fast that he keeps up with the selection course and makes it. It's typically more like Ranger, you know, or some, you know, Green Beret or someone that's already had some special. Special Forces. And that's cool, I think. But people always argue that in the comments when I do the jokes about who's better. And they go, well, SEAL Team Six guys have gone to Delta Force but never reversed. You're like, well, policy wise. Yeah, policy wise, you can't anyways. Yeah, I guess maybe it would be. It would be cool if you did. If you could. Maybe. I think, you know, I think it'd be cool. But, yeah, I. I would have considered it if I had when I had the itch to go back in afterwards, which is hard. It's hard to give up, give that up. It's like Tom Brady, like, retired three times and so did Michael Jordan. You're like, keep coming back because you want more.

[Chris]

So, yeah, all right, what else we

[Drew]

got hard Retard says. What are your most important values? To raise your sons to be strong men with mental fortitude, discipline, and work ethic. How do you implement it each day? What are your top challenges? Implementing those values and goals.

[Brent]

Thank you, Kevin Holland. Somebody reminded me. Yeah, so I'm talking about the implementing goals. Sorry, can you say it real, real quick again, Drew?

[Drew]

How do you raise your sons to be men with mental fortitude, discipline, work ethic, and what's. What's. What are your challenges to that?

[Brent]

By example. As I realize, the best way is by example. So different from what I was doing when I was in. You know, and not. You only have so much time at home, so you come. You kind of interrupt the flow that the wife already has going in the system, and that's.

[Chris]

That.

[Brent]

That's hard. She'll accept it. But you're not there consistently enough to implement it, so you just kind of chime in and that. That's tough. But once I figured out, you know, consistency and fatherhood was like, you do it by example, and you have to live by your own example. So the things that I teach them, I have to do myself. So if I want them to stop cursing, I gotta stop cursing. If I want them to, you know, respect women, I gotta respect women in front of them, and if I want them to stop slurping on the microphone because they're bored, then I gotta stop slurping on microphone.

[Drew]

Well played, dad.

[Brent]

Yeah, so by example is the best way. So you got to have the discipline to do that, you know, and you got to resolve yourself to do that. Because if you're drinking and have addictions like they. That's how they learn. They catch all the things you're doing.

[Chris]

Yeah, all right. I know. I'm the one that got distracted. All right, back to the speed round so we can get. Get through these, because I got some video. Got a few more videos I want to look at.

[Drew]

So he says, girlfriend got me a hat and coffee from you guys. I love both. That's great. The boys at Joint Direct Attack Munition Factory like the hat, too. If either of you have any cool stories about Joint Direct Attack Munition, we would love to hear about them.

[Brent]

Jdm.

[Chris]

You look that up?

[Drew]

Yeah, I got a smartphone now.

[Chris]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, you. You would. You. You're a jtac and with the seals. So you. You probably sent a few.

[Brent]

Maybe a few.

[Chris]

I got.

[Brent]

You know, I'm. I am grateful for that. I'm lucky because I didn't realize that as a SEAL jtac it, it. We were get getting after it. But I got lucky on multiple deployments and including the one I augmented with Alex that I had. I got a lot of experience doing drops with. With different aircraft. So I, you know, when I was with them, there was one target we were getting lit up on the way out that the troop chief that I was with was like, dude, they are crushing the back of the patrol and we can't get. You can't get to XFIL on time. We need to drop two JDAMs on that building. I was like, what? Yeah, yeah, I got can do line. And it was like we walked off as these things were. We did a simultaneous drop with two date JDAMs and it was this like amazing movie, like explosion. It was really cool. But, you know, A10s, A10 gun runs, lots of AC130, you know, Kiowas with their, you know, 275 Flechette rockets and things like that. Apaches. I got a lot of mix. Mix up of that and it was. It was great. I was. I mean, it was a lot of cool experience.

[Chris]

Okay, let's keep. Let's keep it going. Speed round.

[Drew]

Dwazi says. Chris, what was your nickname in the

[Brent]

teams at team 10? It was Billy, believe it or not.

[Drew]

And like, get your guns because you forgot your guns all the time.

[Brent]

Billy, because my gun case that I got, which was a handover, right? Which is typical in the teams, you don't get your own new gun case or new gun hand. Me downs was. Whoever it was was named Billy. All the older guys couldn't remember my name as a new guy, and they were like. They just started calling me Billy and it stuck. And then, okay, then when I redeemed myself on the deployment and got couple of bronze stars, Bronze stars with valor and redeem that. That start where I got arrested, had the captain's mass and all that. It became Bron Star Billy. Yeah.

[Chris]

All right.

[Brent]

The guys from Team 10 at Dev Group still called me it. It evolved with them into William.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Chris]

They're close. They're classy like that. All right, what else?

[Drew]

What's up, guys? Mason Goodwin says Brent and Drew love the show and the message y' all are putting out. Chris and Brent, what do y' all miss the most about being in soft deploying?

[Chris]

Just easy answer.

[Brent]

Absolutely deploying. The small percentage of your time that you're operating together and those moments in between, you know, we're just enjoying each other's company. Being the brotherhood.

[Drew]

Chris, did you deploy with D.J. shipley overseas.

[Brent]

I deployed not at dev Group. We were on different cycles, but in team 10 different. We did not operate together. We were in Iraq together. Two separate areas of operation around. They were, I think north of Baghdad and we were in Baghdad.

[Chris]

Okay.

[Brent]

So yeah, I didn't operate together.

[Drew]

So he says SAS and SBS have same selection. Should Seal Team 6 and Delta have same. What should this selection look like? If so,

[Chris]

I would say both units are doing pretty good right now with the process they have. So we're the best in the world, so why change anything we do?

[Brent]

I think that's good.

[Chris]

I think we are the best in the world, as in, you know, our tier one units are the best in the world. So why would. Why would we change or why would you change?

[Brent]

Yeah, it's like it's. It works. And I think that a little bit of diversity in those selections is good.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Chase Lee, you got me cracking up over here, man. It says so. Burnt just talked me into doing pull ups. I did eight and remembered I was 42. I called out tomorrow.

[Chris]

Love it.

[Drew]

John Vincius. Thank you man for the love.

[Chris]

Thank you.

[Drew]

Appreciate that very much. Took a shift of of PTO to celebrate being one class away from finishing my masters.

[Chris]

Nice.

[Drew]

And spend Thursday with the Patriots voting for Stevie Ray Vaughn.

[Chris]

All right.

[Drew]

Voodoo Child as an outro song.

[Chris]

All right, Drew, do you know what PTO is? No.

[Drew]

Personal timeout.

[Chris]

Sure.

[Drew]

Personal time off. Oh, I got it.

[Chris]

Yeah. All right.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Which one was it? Stevie Ray Vaughan. What?

[Drew]

Voodoo chop. Hard stuck. 2182 says nerd question. Oh, Brent likes these. What would you guess is the reason the Ukrainian soft guys seem to favor LPVO with a piggyback optic versus eotech plus magnifier combo.

[Chris]

Easy day. I'm not saying it's worth nothing, but the eotech magnifier combo does not give you as much as you would think it gives. Gives you. It doesn't gives you much, but sometimes all you need is a little bit. But it does not give you much. They're doing it because the op, the, the area in the operation, they environ environment they work in, they need something. An LPVO will definitely give you something.

[Brent]

It's pretty durable too, right?

[Chris]

Absolutely.

[Drew]

T bone in the regular chat says you don't allow Drew to have pto, so of course he don't know. That's funny. Tasty gain sups he be honest, Chris and Brent, you wish you were good enough to be in Shadow Force.

[Chris]

I love those Shadow Force. The guy with the speech impediment. You know, I'm talking about on. On Instagram. Yeah.

[Brent]

He's hilarious.

[Chris]

Oh, he's hilarious. He's getting bigger and bigger. I hope he keeps on putting out good content.

[Brent]

Me too. Is that actual Tasty Gains?

[Chris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brent]

Guys, they sent me a box of Tasty Gains. I'm gonna do my content, I promise.

[Chris]

They're the best.

[Brent]

It's sitting in a box.

[Chris]

They're. They're really great.

[Brent]

They sent us a box and to try out. They're awesome. I love them.

[Drew]

Solely says Brent said Delta is best due to culture and ranges which even SEAL Team six don't have. Thoughts? Chris, do you wish to sue him for defamation against SEAL Team six?

[Brent]

Yes.

[Chris]

Good question. Good question.

[Brent]

Pizza eating competition to settle it or something.

[Chris]

We had one of those earlier.

[Drew]

What Joe Saunders says. I Suspect Delta and CLTM 6 have secret clandestine barbecue and beer get togethers. The bonus is you all laugh at our Internet comments on who's best. Just saying yes.

[Chris]

Because. Because we know the answer. We could. We can. On the count of three, who's better? One, two, three. We are. It'll. It'll never change. And I did that. And of course stay that way.

[Drew]

And.

[Chris]

And that's exactly. And that's right.

[Drew]

And they agree.

[Brent]

Right?

[Drew]

We are. They answered it the same.

[Chris]

I wouldn't respect them if they said anything other than we are and if they. If they didn't truly believe it.

[Brent]

Yeah. I love it.

[Drew]

I love it. Right wing nut. Thank you for the love, man. Really appreciate it.

[Brent]

Every week.

[Drew]

Welcome to this week's episode of Dan Feels Aryan opines. According to Nick Fuentes, Dan was asking where to find Ben Shapiro to smoke him. I heard all old Ben had some pretty salty security. Better stay home do and read your Quran, turd.

[Chris]

There's some weird stuff that I don't even want to get into that's happening between, you know, Nick, Dan. What's that. What's that weirdo with the deep voice that didn't believe on the elementary school shooting for a long time, then got sued and had to apologize.

[Brent]

Yeah, I know you're talking about. There's a whole.

[Chris]

Anyway, it's. It's all circular pointing and they're all. It's. It's. It's crazy.

[Brent]

It's tough to ever know because you don't know. We don't know enough.

[Chris]

It's crazy. Jones. Thank you, Alex Jones. But it's. It's getting weird. I'll tell you that. It's getting weird.

[Brent]

You know what Their alliances are and why, and, you know, who they're serving. If it's not themselves and their agendas and their things and their reasons, it's just too many layers that I don't know enough about to really form a legitimate opinion.

[Chris]

And all three of them are a little bit on the extremist part.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And. And that's just. It's just not who I am. So I. I don't. I don't get. I don't keep up with it too much.

[Drew]

A hard stuck says there's a vid of a Seal Team 6 guy using a 416 with a LPVO laser on the side and flashlight on the top.

[Chris]

I saw that.

[Drew]

If you feel comfortable, could you explain the logic? I didn't.

[Chris]

I. I can't confirm it was a SEAL Team six guy, but I did see the video you're talking about. That'd be the first time I've ever seen a flashlight up. Up top. And. And I've seen lasers on the side before. With a laser, LPVO is the site right where it normally is. The up top. Right. The flashlight was here and then like that. Yeah, up here at the very top of the rail. And then the. Then the. The laser that pale was on the side. I'd never seen that set up before.

[Brent]

I'm trying to think of it, but.

[Chris]

But I don't.

[Brent]

Guys do different weird things, and it's hard to know because there's. There's some intention of that, some reason for that to. To do that. Yeah, just. Flashlight has a pressure pad on if it has to come with a pressure pad, but it's easier sometimes to hit it with your thumb from the top.

[Chris]

I know. But then. No, but then the problem is for recoil management, the flashlight comes way back here. And so your recoil management is going to be like, I don't. I don't like it. I don't know for sure that it was a SEAL Team six guy. So.

[Brent]

Some guys get too fancy with their. Too.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And, you know, when we. When we first got 300 blackouts, we were so torn between the difference in our holds and sights between the subsonic round and the supersonic round. So, you know, I went one time, had two lasers for each of the rounds on both sides of my gun, and it worked really well for me, and I just did my best with my. With my scope to know my holes for the different rounds and when I was switching between those two. Two different rounds.

[Chris]

So.

[Brent]

Guys do weird things for different reasons. Big boy rules there.

[Drew]

So, Brent, maybe The flashlight takes 4D batteries and it takes care of the recoil by itself.

[Chris]

Oh yeah.

[Drew]

All right, let's see. Some of the guys in the chats might be. What are four D batteries? Joe's go to. Yeah. Says or got you, Ben. Really curious to ask both of you about Pete Blaber's interpretation of John Chapman at Roberts Ridge. Was just Chapman in the wrong to be leading an assault up the mountain as the CCT RTO of the element was he.

[Chris]

Let me, let me start this off. Was he wrong for leading it? That goes back to intent. I don't believe he thought he was leading it. He was doing what, you know, what he thought was right at the time. And probably there's some assumptions done. Also when things get crazy, there's no time, you know, to. You're just reacting. And that's. And that's how he reacted. I'm not. I'm not here to second guess that.

[Brent]

Yeah, I agree with that. It's hard to. Very intense situation there. I know two of the guys that were there personally and you know, there was a pre planned. Hey, we're going straight out from the tail from the. From the ramp and to flank around the backside up while. While we distract up the hill. And he peeled left and went up and whatever you want to say about the isr, they changed their plan and went up after him his direction because that was the right thing to do. And so it's hard to. To make judgments. And I'm glad two guys got meds of honor for that.

[Chris]

And. And it goes back to everyone having opinion or assumptions because we don't know. But you know, Pete Blaber's assumption, he says that I believe that the word assault was being thrown around like at the very end. And so because something has to try to make sense of if that was the plan, why to do something different. And he hears the, you know, the word assault. You don't know how much he's. He's hearing, but he hears assault. Now he thinks, oh, we're gonna get off. We're just gonna assault this thing.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Who knows?

[Brent]

And how combat decisions were being made with those assets.

[Chris]

Combat. So confusion. People don't understand how confusing combat can be. Not always is, but can be.

[Brent]

Yeah. It's hard to. Yeah.

[Chris]

You don't know who's who sometimes where's where. You know, you get, you get put. You get, you get dropped in a place just a little bit. Yeah. Outside of where you're supposed to be. But you have this idea of where you're supposed to be. And now you're just a block off and nothing's lining up. You don't really know where you're at. It just gets so confusing so fast.

[Brent]

Yeah. And the one that. The one thing that drives me the most crazy about that are the people that are like, well, they left his, they left him behind, you know, like to extend the chances of recovering his body with a QRF that they needed to do that. They. They. You're thinking about it, think of it as a whole and going like, well, are you saying that they all should have died there and then they all got left there, you know, and they, they made a decision and it worked. They got his body out of there eventually with a qrf. And so it's just those ones are. Are tough to read about when people that don't understand or like, like, hey, left. They left him behind. He got left behind.

[Drew]

All right, Brent, this one's for you. Holy fook says, Brent, did you work with Britain's special recon rag at all? It's basically the UK version of ISA the SRR came from built upon the 14th, I don't know international. The, the det work in Northern Ireland against the ira.

[Chris]

No, I didn't work with, with any of those guys. I did not.

[Drew]

It'd be a negative. That's an.

[Chris]

No, that's correct.

[Drew]

All right. Solely, are there units where most would Pass Seal Team 6 Delta selection, UK Pathfinders. Most pass SAS selection outside of injury.

[Chris]

I can only speak to our selection. I. It's always going to be a little different, but I'm going to guess that if, if you pass the SAS selection, you have a high, you have a high probability of passing our selection as well.

[Brent]

Yeah, I agree with that too.

[Drew]

Getting close to the end.

[Chris]

All right.

[Drew]

Yeah, if. See, so he says if all seals had to do Seal Team 6 Delta selection, what you think their pass rate would be if, if all seals did SEAL team or Delta selection of all seals.

[Chris]

Oh, that's it.

[Drew]

Well, out of all seals who would pass Yalls selection. Well, luck has something to do with it.

[Chris]

Let me take a stab at this real quick. Then, then you can react reactive of. Of what I say. Yeah, so of course I can't speak to your selection, you know, so let's you speak to my selection for a second.

[Brent]

All right, if.

[Chris]

And I'm gonna throw out numbers. Every selection class is different. So whatever number I say isn't the number. But yeah, let's say, let's say 10 to 15 pass. Let's just start off with that. Well, if 10 to 15% pass, those are the best guys that think they can do it and then only that many pass. So if you bring everyone who doesn't think they're the best or they know they're not the best, that now it's going to go down.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

A lot. And so I'm going to guess 3 to 5% because you have so many more, you know, are trying out that their best guys are having a hard time passing it.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So that's, that's a swag. What do you, what do you say off that?

[Brent]

I think I agree with that the other way too, because like we said earlier, our selections are our selections in the way that they are for reasons that work. And if I go to yours, there's going to be some moments that just I, I suck at because I'm behind on, on the skills.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

Other guys might have, even in the, the vanilla side, for sure. Right, right. And same with if we go do certain things in maritime or whatever.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

You haven't been used to that. But it's also a misconception that like, only seals can do maritime. Like so many different units, train diving and drown proofing and all the things.

[Chris]

Don't, don't, don't get it twisted. I was, I was on a dive team and like any SF diver, I'm, I'm proud to say that, and I will say it randomly for no reason, but we, we are not Navy seals. Like, that's, that's, that's the white side. Bread and butter you got. You guys do it best.

[Brent]

Thank you. And yeah, but I think it goes back because we give it hell, though.

[Chris]

We give it hell, but we're not, but we're not seals.

[Brent]

We, we lose, we lost, we lose the art of the land nav stuff in our, in selection because we don't do, we don't do it in ours at all.

[Chris]

Right.

[Brent]

And that's, that's a critical skill. And one of the bread and butters to your guys is like, like biggest portions of the selection that people drop out in, I think.

[Chris]

Right. And, and you're right. And that's a big part of SF selection. That's a big part of Ranger school. Like land nav is, is an army thing, so you're already kind of predisposition.

[Brent]

I think we're weak at those type of Ranger handbook, you know, soldiering skills that we learn briefly in like third phase and enough to be kind of proficient. But we, we don't know. We don't have the art of it.

[Chris]

Yeah. Appreciate that.

[Drew]

Scott Wickstrom says, did you guys see the rape dog story? What breed of dogs do we use for that? Gotta love the New York Times.

[Brent]

Rape. Oh, I did see that.

[Chris]

Did you? Enlighten me.

[Brent]

I think it was. What is. How did the article look it up?

[Chris]

Drew Wise talking or magnet?

[Drew]

I mean, I'm looking at some of it. It's the Palestinian stuff. I mean, it's more of the same stuff they've talked about. They've. They have charged Israel for this on men, women, children, and now they're talking about dogs doing it.

[Brent]

Oh, that's different from what I'm talking about.

[Chris]

Okay, well, you got to believe it because the, The Palestinians and Hamas and. And Muslims in general have never been to. Known to lie in war to make.

[Brent]

Exactly.

[Drew]

It says, last month. I'm reading the time. It says, last month I reported on the numerous testimonies from Palestinians who say the Israeli state used dogs to rape detainees. What a great primary source, folks.

[Chris]

Great journalism. Solid journalism.

[Drew]

Solid work, boys.

[Brent]

Yeah, layers and layers of propaganda going on with that stuff. But also, you know, I can't speak to. To like things in, in detainees and prisons and things like that, that, that go down or happen, but that's a whole different.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You know. You know. Storyline.

[Chris]

All right, what else we got? We're getting there. We're getting there.

[Drew]

Anyway. Okay. Backman Union.

[Chris]

Cheers. Cheers, brother.

[Drew]

Welcome to Thursday. Could you. Let's see. Adam, YK says. Could you invite my buddy Michael Jones. Garand Thumb Channel, I think, and all the time. Ukraine. All the time. Michael Jones.

[Chris]

Send us an email@the tier1podcastgmail.com and let's, let's go down that. Please do. And that's. I'm serious about that. Send us an email. All right.

[Drew]

The Prussian.

[Chris]

The Prussian.

[Drew]

All right.

[Chris]

Good to see you, brother.

[Drew]

Apparently I missed his earlier fifty dollar super chat and I was going to find it at the some point, but here we go. Do you guys collect new gear because it was better than when you served.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Also, why is The Cha. Big Rhino 44 Mag. How do you say that?

[Chris]

Chiapa Send it. Sure.

[Drew]

Chiapa big round. 44 mag. The best DC this is a redo. Super chat.

[Chris]

Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll. I'll start off and, and you let me know if it's the same for you when new. I had the best gear at the time, which means newer gear does come out. The best gear I had at the time, which means it was expensive, which means if newer gear came out, it's either more expensive or just as expensive, and I'm not buying it. So I'm more in the game of a little bit, like, you know, like that thing. What's. What's the cheapest thing? Not. Not the cheapest thing in general, but the cheapest thing that works for what I'm actually doing now. And that's what's important to me.

[Brent]

I go a little different. I have less things that I spend more on because I, you know, I'm like, what is the latest and greatest? I'll go do a little research. I'll ask somebody's. But it. It evolves so fast.

[Chris]

It does, yeah.

[Brent]

It has evolved so fast. So I've got, you know, a couple. I got a couple things for every caliber that I like and, you know, nice attachments and things.

[Chris]

Yeah. All right.

[Drew]

This is Six's mom.

[Chris]

Hey, Six.

[Drew]

Is mom referring to the other thing that she put in Hawaiian, Because I have to give you props, Drew. You said it right when she said, don't try it. And I. And I actually nailed it on accident. I won't doubt you again. My bad. Aloha from Kauai. Nice. Electric carbon says, as you think about your careers, what are some differences, both good and bad, that you predict with the future generations of operators?

[Chris]

I got an answer for this, but, Chris, crystal balls, I want you to go first on this.

[Brent]

You know, I'm trying to think areas of operation where we had so much advantage during the gwat. And if you're going. If they're starting to go more closer towards near peers, then they're going to learn a lot of lessons fast but with less op tempo. Yeah. So, right. They've got to be intelligent and maybe even, you know, more intelligent than we were, you know, because we were learning lessons from iterations. And you're on.

[Chris]

You're on it. So you're on it.

[Brent]

It's like, scary but awesome at the same time because I even think about the things that they've been doing right now, and I'm like, man, that's like some. That's some high level that, you know, we didn't. Our style of operating was different from that, but they've been really successful at it.

[Chris]

There's no replacement for reps at the end of the day. And re. Real world reps are super important. And as those get harder and harder to come by, I think it'll be. I don't think it's a good thing. So I know it's a weird thing. To say. But I. I hope they keep the boys busy because. Because they need reps to stay sharp.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And I think they. They are finding ways to keep them busy. Different things that we don't all hear about so much. Which is. Which good.

[Chris]

Which is good too. Yeah.

[Drew]

All right. We have found the last two super chats. This says at the King says, are UK Special Forces as good as you guys? Delta Dev crew at CQB and who's better? CQB between Delta and Dev group.

[Chris]

Oh, all right. The question, the question, what do you got?

[Brent]

I.

[Chris]

To put you on the spot?

[Brent]

I love the way we do CQB and I think that there's. It's tough because you're. The level of training that you're doing is high level at both, but I think in the current state of things, Delta edges us out a little bit on cqb. But CQB is an art, so if you understand the art, you can quickly adapt. So if I went and ran with some Delta Force guys and I have a little of advantage because I get to train with Kyle sometimes and I've learned it is. I feel more confidence than I had when I was in the team that I can go do that and switch it. And I was also had the ego to go, ours is better and we don't go outside of any of these things. But even himself, he applies now that art to. He can go teach anybody based on what their environment is. And that you can only do that if you understand the art of it. And it's not like these, like, people think that. It's like you just know CQB and that's why. And they're probably tired of hearing like, it depends on what you're doing it for, but you really can't do that or even teach it unless you know the art of it.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

So. And I think that both of us are, I think, better than the UK at it. And that might change and shift over time.

[Chris]

I do. It doesn't mean they're bad, but just if you're. If you're pressing me and I'll answer a question, I agree with that, that I've never had a Gold Squadron member, you know, come on a rut with us and get lost. Like, because. Because we're different. Yeah. Even like small things different, they adapt to it very quick and the same. When I went and did a rut with them, I had to adapt, you know, but I was able to adapt, you know, really quick. So it's different. I've. I've I've always said this might give a reason why to it. I do. I think. I think we would. Of course, I would say this. Again, I should say this. I think we would edge you guys out in cqb. But here's. And not minimal. Minimal. But here's the reason. It's not because we're. I don't think it's because we're better. I don't think, like, we're. I just. I think it's. After seeing all the different units, I think the unit is a special place because of where we're located and some of the resources we have. We have tons of shoot houses right there on premises. We have Fort Bragg in our backyard. We have range 37 in our backyard. Yeah, we can. We can. We don't have to. We don't have to go anywhere.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And we just get tons and tons of reps at tons of different floor plans. And that's. That's just an advantage that, that different

[Brent]

materials, different floor plans. That's a good. That's why they say we've got one big nice one. You can change it around, but there's not as much diversity in it. And yeah, you're right.

[Chris]

And I think. And. And the same year, and I think if you guys lived where we lived and, and we lived where you lived, I would think you would have a slight, you know, advantage to us, you know, and that's. So that I think you're at a

[Drew]

certain level, it's easier for you to adapt.

[Brent]

It is.

[Chris]

Oh, for sure.

[Drew]

Right.

[Chris]

Which is why they adapt so well to. To us.

[Brent]

But that's true. If you have more of a playground, you're going to be a little bit better, you know?

[Drew]

Dwazi says, billy, do you have a piss bottle story? Do you understand the question?

[Brent]

I got one that was not in the military. My wife. My wife tells this story.

[Chris]

What do you got?

[Drew]

All right, quick.

[Chris]

Yeah, quick.

[Brent]

When we were dating, we lived in a condo before the boys. I don't know if you guys heard this story. And we came home from a night of drinking and I had come off a deployment very recently. So I was like, man, I just, like, I went by instinct to. To pee, and I grabbed a water bottle, peed in it, and, you know, was super thirsty, you know, early in the morning and went and just chugged out of it and. And it was like. And she, you know, startled awake. It was like, what happened? And I was like, I just drank my own.

[Chris]

So stupid.

[Brent]

You know, it was just muscle memory.

[Drew]

He's being responsible. Recycling.

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris]

All right. We do it.

[Drew]

All right, well, we got a hey, you. From Jessica. Thank you. And are you guys still doing a Tango time Congo ambush episodes?

[Chris]

Yeah, and we talked about that earlier. Oh, that was you?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You're spending money. Was that a little bit of repayment for pizza? You didn't have to do that. The pizza's free. All right. Of course, Stevie Ray Vaughan gets it for Voodoo Child, which is where we hang out in the chats for just a little bit, but I have a song that I'm gonna play before that, and then we'll get into Beauty Child.

[Drew]

This is the time where Brent reads the regular chats.

[Chris]

There we go.

[Brent]

Proud of you.

[Drew]

There it comes.

[Chris]

You are.

[Brent]

I'm ready for some questions.

[Drew]

Have the boys ready to answer some questions too.

[Chris]

All right, here we go.

[Drew]

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[Chris]

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[Drew]

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[Chris]

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[Drew]

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[Chris]

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[Brent]

There's a reason millions of companies like

[Chris]

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[Brent]

Yeah, I think that's. We should do more of that stuff than more of that kind of stuff.

[Chris]

We're doing it. Someone's got to do it. Someone's got to do it.

[Brent]

I'm down.

[Chris]

We're doing it. All right, let's see. What did you do Saturday, Brent? I went out to a. I just ate dinner with the family and just a few friends. I kept it really low key, Brian. Like, I don't. I don't skip anything. If you guys read it and I see it, I. I don't skip questions, and I saw it.

[Brent]

So

[Chris]

why did the antihero pop podcast make the OG episodes members only? I. I don't know. I don't know. Let's see. Would FRCC AK Dyson says, Brent, when do we get a first responder Carnival cruise? Frcc. That's a Good one. Here's a good one from Josh George. Is JTL JTF2 close second CQB and partner forces. You get to work. Work with JTF2 anywhere or a whole lot?

[Brent]

A little bit. I got to visit their facility. They had a really awesome, like, fight room with an octagon thing and never experienced running with them in CQB at all. I know their snipers are good.

[Chris]

That's right. That's right. Badass snipers. They would send a guy over, but it wasn't like the SAS guys that integrated with the team. So I. I never. Never really got to see them do CQB or see them at that. At the same level I got to see the SAS guys at.

[Brent]

Yeah. So.

[Chris]

Yeah. Did you get. Did you get the song reference? No. This Van Halen Ice Cream Man. How.

[Brent]

Dude, my dad loves classic rock and I never. I rebelled against it and I had a lot of catching up to do. I got made fun of a lot of Team 10 for not knowing my classic rock. But now I know this is going to go on a lot of con. Ice cream.

[Drew]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris]

I know it's got to be loud for it to pick up, so. I know. I know it seems loud. Flucky seven. You get it? Chris, are you a sick guy or a Glock guy?

[Brent]

I've got both. I like Sigs just because it was just my, like, muscle memory. So much training with. In my career. I. I favor the Sig, but the Glocks too.

[Chris]

Leave. Just. Just leave the podcast. I should have. We should have. Guys, we should have asked this question, this important question way earlier. I truly believe they don't just pop off.

[Brent]

They don't just. I truly believe they don't just ghost pop off. Regardless of any of those videos. I want more context and I want to know what the holster was and what the situation was. But there's been some Glocks pop off too, but they don't. They don't.

[Chris]

Something about them when pointing at bad guys. Glocks pop off. Let's.

[Brent]

People shoot themselves in the foot.

[Drew]

That's only when the female cop is pulling it away from somebody.

[Chris]

Was that a reference to the. The guy called teaching a class and shot himself. Do you remember that video? I don't know. I don't remember what he was. I'm the only one professional enough to handle this. And then shoots himself.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris]

Voodoo Child. Stevie. Rayon. Not the Jimi Hendrix version. You requested it. You get it.

[Brent]

Song request time, boys.

[Chris]

Yes. Brent, what do you think about the 6 arc as a caliber. With a lot of calibers. It goes to. What are you doing with it? It's a good round. It's a good round. But there is no real one round to defeat them all. But of course, there are some rounds that are. That are better than others. So I need to know what you're doing with it.

[Brent]

Yeah. Does he say self defense?

[Chris]

The. Oh. So to the fetus boys, what's your favorite gun? He'll turn it back on.

[Drew]

Turn it on.

[Chris]

What's your favorite gun?

[Brent]

Smg. Sniper.

[Chris]

Smg, you say? For sniper, little man. Send the mic over his way. Do you know? Do you know enough to give an answer? Probably a Glock. I knew I liked you. Yeah, I knew I liked that kid.

[Brent]

He's only had the experience of shooting in the Glock. Really?

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

It's the only thing he's touched.

[Chris]

That's awesome. Oh, Seth is in there. Nerf this. Oh, this is Delta Dad. Shout out to my son for making Grandmaster as a junior. That's awesome. That's awesome. And thank. Thank you. Thanks for watching the show. I hope. I hope we're doing the guys who came before us proud. And even though we're public, we're doing it in a way that's the right way. I think that's the right way to do it. And so I'm really glad that. That you watch. I'm glad your son watches.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

The. Let's see. A qualified guy. Am I the only person that carries a Walther? Yes, you might be. I don't know why I know and I'm laughing. I'm not laughing at the gun. I'm laughing at the question. Just because I know. I know some agencies actually care. Yeah. Let me see. Oh. Who's winning in a Call of duty match? Tier 1 Ops. Let's. You know. You ever play your sons in video games?

[Brent]

Yeah, I've been for a while, but we used to get down on Call of Duty.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

How?

[Chris]

How?

[Brent]

You try to teach me Fortnite, but I.

[Chris]

Do you play against them? Yeah. Guess what? I was, too. It's frustrating when you know you can do this in real life, but you can't mimic in a video game.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

It's like my eyes are.

[Chris]

These kids are smoking you.

[Brent]

Yeah, yeah. They learn it fast.

[Chris]

Yeah, they do. So let's see. Quads are duel for digital night vision. Only going to be used using it for hunting and show and tell. I'm telling you. Then. Then why wouldn't you go quads? I mean, you still have the advantage of of the peripherals. So if. If all things are the same and it's just duals or quads.

[Brent]

Yeah, I'm going. I'm going.

[Chris]

Quads.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

I can't wait for you to try these on and show you some of the similarities and. And, and differences in it.

[Brent]

I can't wait to do a giveaway

[Chris]

from Brandon Bailey. Why Does Chris look 25 and 45 at the same time? Yeah, that's. It has to do with his Asian heritage and his Irish heritage. Like, somehow that. That question is so true. Yeah, it's so true. You do. You really do.

[Brent]

I don't know if that's good or bad, but I'll take it.

[Chris]

Right? Yeah. Let's see.

[Brent]

That's funny, man.

[Chris]

Hey, from CCU, Rider Massey. 8719 for the boys. Do you have pets and what type of pets do you have?

[Brent]

Yeah, we have two French bulldogs. One's name one. We have a boy and a girl. One's name is Gray and one's name is Bella.

[Chris]

Devin loves French bulldogs. I think the most popular dog in America now.

[Brent]

They're pretty cool.

[Chris]

They are pretty cool. Cool.

[Brent]

We used to have, like, snakes and lizards.

[Chris]

Did you really don't trust snakes? I don't trust snakes.

[Brent]

I broke my lizard's tail off.

[Drew]

Those are just snakes.

[Chris]

Did it grow back?

[Brent]

No.

[Chris]

No. Okay, I remember that.

[Brent]

Gecko.

[Chris]

Yeah. The. I'll tell you why I like French bulldogs. I hate small dogs. They're like a large, small dog.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

If that makes sense.

[Brent]

Like little tank dogs. Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah. So they get a pass from you because they're not really small, but they're small herbs. Yeah. I like them.

[Brent]

I love them.

[Chris]

Joe Saunders. Yippee Kai. Most excellent live. Thank you. Great to see you in the chats. Thank you. Trans Tim Kennedy.

[Drew]

Yo.

[Chris]

What is the next ice cream flavor to drop? Do you got one of the works?

[Brent]

He's always got a couple in the works. Man, I wish I knew that question. That reminds me, I need to stay more in touch with Tony because he's always got something.

[Chris]

He's always brewing something.

[Brent]

Yeah. It's amazing. It's at the point now where it surprises me. And it's.

[Chris]

It's.

[Brent]

It's one of the greatest things as a nice. As an owner, as an entrepreneur, when your team is so into the. Into it, too.

[Chris]

Yeah. That.

[Brent]

It's like, we'll go back and try this and it's. It's a dream come true.

[Drew]

Well, see if you can do a vanilla cigar ice cream, because that's True that. I. I would love that one.

[Brent]

We'll do some tobacco vanilla.

[Chris]

Vanilla tobacco Tasty gains ice cream. Not creating 18 ice cream bowl. Here's a great question. I want to go back a little bit. Should deliberate pying only be done with ballistic walls and end the day for Chris as well? No, it should not be. But like anything else, I. I have to know the circumstances. I need to know, you know, the bad guy, what the bad guy's, you know, being charged with. Like, what's his propensity to shoot? Even if it's not ballistic wall walls. In the United States, bad guys generally don't get. Don't shoot through walls, but good guys get shot going into breaches. So I would. Without knowing anything and just answering at face value, I would say yes, but bring a shield with you. Why not bring your own ballistic protection?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And no, not during the day. Doing it at night is when you really want to do it. So you can move around with your super power. Power in the darkness.

[Brent]

Yeah. So like a superpower. Absolutely.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Practice guys are getting into nods, and there's the conversation of who should have emotional. They're available. Everybody that's right that wants them should get them. It's. It's what you do with them. And if you can learn how to do everything you can do in daylight or with lights on with those, you're. You're. You're. You're getting after it.

[Chris]

You have to. Don't fight fair. Yeah, don't fight fair. Bring shields. Bring it all.

[Brent]

I get a headache from it, but

[Chris]

that's right, it goes away. Or if it doesn't, I'll still take a headache over being shot in the breach.

[Brent]

Yeah, get used to it.

[Chris]

Let's see, what else. Flux9050. Brit. Did you ever work with Mike Glover in SF or the unit? He's a good dude. Operator. He was in my OTC classes is where I met Mike. He unfortunately didn't graduate that class. Went on to be a support guy, but he was a good support guy.

[Brent]

And.

[Chris]

And he was a great SF guy. There we go. That is the episode. Everyone gets the last word here. And I'mma. I'm. I'm gonna start in kind of clockwise order here. Ethan, take the mic over there. What's your last word? What do you want to say?

[Brent]

Here, do him first.

[Chris]

Okay. All right, we can do that. We can do that. All right, big brother, you show them how it's done. Anything, just last word. Something you want to say? Mike's yours.

[Brent]

Monsters sponsor me. Bam. I need some sponsors.

[Chris]

I, I, I, I'm now asking for the same thing, so hopefully they have two spots open and we're not fighting for the same one. All right, what do you. What do you got, Ethan?

[Brent]

I don't know.

[Chris]

We'll come back to you.

[Drew]

We'll get another.

[Chris]

You get another chance at it. Yeah. No reason to do it wrong. Yeah. Take your time, Magnet. What do you got?

[Drew]

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[Chris]

And because of Brent saying how much

[Brent]

I love hot dogs and I'm getting

[Drew]

abundance amount of stuff from the Patreon, I'm coming out with a tactical hot dog T shirt.

[Chris]

Do it.

[Drew]

It will be available first to the Patreon members.

[Chris]

Okay. All right, let's. Let's see this. We're getting some coaching here. We're getting some coaching. That's all right.

[Drew]

Do it.

[Chris]

He doesn't have to say yes, but maybe. Maybe it was a good idea. Ethan, what do you got?

[Brent]

Oh,

[Drew]

shout out.

[Brent]

Thank you to my friends for joining the live.

[Chris]

Heck, yeah.

[Drew]

Yeah. And who are your friends? What's your name?

[Brent]

Easton and Dennis.

[Drew]

All right, and where.

[Chris]

Where are they out of? They out of. Out of Virginia Beach.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Chris]

You play baseball with them or go to school with them?

[Brent]

Baseball and school, yeah.

[Chris]

Heck, yeah. Thank you, guys for. For coming the show, and thanks for inviting your friends to watch. Every. Every bit helps.

[Brent]

Last thing.

[Chris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent]

What do you got, Nixon? Four.

[Chris]

No. Okay, Drew, what do you have?

[Drew]

All right, guys, you've got to go to FRCC shop and check out these flavored cigars. I'm telling you, they. The flavor is incredible. Your wife and girlfriend who doesn't like cigar smoke is going to love the vanilla smell that's coming out of those cigars. They're very cool. So go check it out. Also, Truth and Dark. I'm doing lives Most Sunday nights, 7 o'.

[Brent]

Clock.

[Drew]

Doing lives. I'm having some fun. We've done two of them, so check them out at Truth in the Dark podcast at YouTube.

[Chris]

Drew, you got to grab these nods and do some sort of video for Truth in the Dark.

[Drew]

Somebody said I. Yeah, somebody on the. On the chat said I should do something like that.

[Chris]

There you go. You get the last word of all the guests because you are the VIP guest. Chris, what do you got?

[Brent]

It's an honor to be on. Thank you very much. To be honest with you, I was a little intimidated, man. But getting to know you, man, it's been awesome. Doing great things. Please check out Be free Ice Cream. The new website is going to be dropping around May 25th. Getting ready for the launch of the brand soon. We're going to do the best we can and 2027 will be the bigger year and also we're going to start. I'm learning from how you guys set up and, and getting our YouTube ch going for Ice Cream sign. So that'll be coming soon too, hopefully.

[Chris]

Let us know when it drops so we can at least promote it here. You know, the, the listeners are, are great Americans and then they, they love to support veteran brand. So let us know so, so we can help you out and you're invited back anytime you want. You come back through and it's. And we'll, we'll, we'll run this thing back.

[Brent]

Chris, let's go. Thanks for having the boys on too. That was epic for us. That was so, so cool.

[Chris]

I, I enjoyed it too, actually. Yeah, I jo it too. You. You just cleared your throat. You got one. One. Something more to say.

[Brent]

Got another one. Go for it.

[Chris]

Send it.

[Brent]

I don't know. You can't do it. Go for it.

[Chris]

When your dad was a SEAL Team 6 member, you. You get a little more leniency. On the Tier 1 podcast. You could, you could say whatever you want to say, whatever you want to

[Drew]

say it, except them curse words.

[Brent]

If 10 people say push up in the chat, dad, you have to do 20 push ups. Done.

[Chris]

Well, it's a good thing it's the end of the night or else that would have been a long night.

[Brent]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris]

I love how he went with. With 20. Oh my God, you guys are so good.

[Brent]

Epic universe tomorrow.

[Chris]

Guys, thanks so much for tuning in to another live. I hope it didn't disappoint. Chris. I told you after the recording, I said, hey, man, these, these lives are going to be a lot different than that recording. It's gonna be a lot of fun and it's because of you guys and you guys did not disappoint. Thank you so much.

[Drew]

All the way up, dad.

[Chris]

All the way up. He's gonna keep, he's gonna keep knocking these out. And we'll see you next time, next Thursday nights for the patriots. Thanks, guys.

[Brent]

18, 19. Now you gotta get 20.