The Breakdown | Rob Oneill's New Story

Summary

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Tier1 Podcast – The Breakdown | Rob O'Neill's New Story

Host: Brent Tucker
Date: January 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this explosive episode of the Tier1 Podcast, former Delta Force Operator Brent Tucker and co-host Drew deliver an incisive, second-by-second breakdown of Rob O'Neill’s recent appearance on Andy Stumpf's show, where O'Neill offered a new "exclusive" account of the Osama bin Laden raid. Brent pulls no punches, dissecting O'Neill's shifting stories, claims of victimhood, and public attacks on other veterans, all while defending the integrity of the special operations community. The episode’s primary goal: set the record straight on what did or did not happen, expose inconsistencies, and defend the truth, even when it’s messy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Record Straight: Brent’s Motivation

• Brent and Drew clarify early that they’re not out to make money off Rob O'Neill or ride clickbait.
• Brent emphasizes:

  “The only time I ever bring you up is when you insert yourself.” (08:51)

• Brent describes past attempts to communicate privately with O'Neill:

  “He has my personal number. At least he used to…The only thing he would ever say to me is, ‘You’re just jealous that you’re not rich and famous.’…Of course, he eventually blocked me.” (01:00-01:45)

2. Accusations of Attacks for Profit

• Rob O'Neill’s claim that Brent and others make their living ruining other veterans’ reputations is flatly denied.
• Brent itemizes the very few exposé podcasts he’s done, refuting Rob’s claim that he targeted people like Chris Kyle, Jocko, Marcus Luttrell, or Dakota Meyer (all of whom he hasn’t done exposés on).

3. Rob O'Neill’s Shifting Storylines

• The episode spotlights O'Neill’s self-portrayal as a victim and inconsistent narrations about the circumstances of the bin Laden raid.
• Brent highlights how Rob minimizes others’ truth-seeking and exaggerates his own "persecution":

  “It’s just odd to me that he paints himself as the victim and he paints himself as he’s being attacked by us. Rob…The only time I ever bring you up is when you insert yourself…” (02:54)

4. Truth vs. “The How” – Public Callouts Among Veterans

• Rob insists criticisms should be handled privately, whereas Brent counters that public claims require public challenge:

  “I would like to be able to mislead the American public…and then when you call me out privately, I’ll go, ‘my bad’…Of course you don’t like how accountability is done.” (13:31-14:50)

5. Inconsistencies in O'Neill’s Bin Laden Raid Account

• Rob narrates multiple versions, such as:
  • Who fired the fatal shot,
  • Claims of seeing movement behind a “blanket-curtain” (which, according to Brent and others present, didn’t exist),
  • When and how additional shots were fired, and
  • Details on his own role versus others’ (especially “Red/the point man” and Matt Bissonnette).
• Brent notes O'Neill’s account often contradicts known tactical practice and even O'Neill’s past interviews—for example, when and how PID (positive identification) and clean-up logistics happened before the structure was secure.

6. Comparison to Matt Bissonnette’s Consistent Story

• Brent contrasts O’Neill’s convoluted, shifting narrative with Matt Bissonnette’s clear, consistent step-by-step account as previously shared on the Sean Ryan podcast.
• Notable moment:

  “Did you recognize him?” (re: bin Laden)
  — “No.” (95:00)

7. Public Admission of Deception and the Impact on SEAL Team 6 Reputation

• O'Neill openly admits to hiding parts of the truth in the debriefs (claiming it was for the good of the team), but asserts this wasn’t “lying”:

  “It’s something called omission by lying…I didn’t lie. I helped make the lie. But I didn’t tell the lie during the debrief...” (101:04-101:15)

• Brent and Drew point out the damaging effect these admissions have, not just on O’Neill, but on the reputation of the entire unit:

  “He continues to basically just bash his other assaulters as just not being that smart…They’re the best in the world at what they do…” (63:47-64:15)

8. Public Backlash & Community Response

• Brent and Drew read live comments and superchats, nearly all skeptical of O’Neill’s reliability and supportive of challenging public lies.
• Many audience members and Brent urge other raid participants—especially “Red”—to come forward and tell the truth under oath or publicly.

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• Brent (regarding Rob’s claims of persecution):

  “No, Rob, I know you want that to be who I am, but because I’ve been right, you will be remembered as the guy who tried to make money off of someone else’s heroism.” (10:41)

• Andy Stumpf (on public trust in veterans):

  “How do I know who to trust? That’s a question—a really hard question to answer.” (12:16)

• Brent (on the implausibility of Rob’s tactical claims):

  “SEAL Team 6 never stopped in the middle of clearing to start trying to PID people...The 82nd wouldn’t do that. A regular SEAL team wouldn’t do that. An ODA wouldn’t do that. The Delta Force has never done that…” (88:01)

• Drew (on O’Neill’s storytelling style):

  “This is very different than listening to Matt Bissonnette...Matt talks step-by-step; it’s very clear…With this, it’s so all over the place.” (80:42-81:33)

• Brent (on Rob’s public narrative):

  “You don’t forget if the guy in front of you took a shot. No, he didn’t take a shot while I was there...And then 10 years later, he knows for a fact that he took a shot while he was there.” (112:27-113:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:00-01:45: Brent recounts Rob’s responses and reiterates attempts to reach out privately.
• 05:55-06:22: Brent forcefully reiterates respect for Rob’s service; clarifies boundaries of his criticism.
• 13:14-15:10: Brent and Drew break down the "how" of public accountability.
• 25:43-26:20: Discussion on veracity checking in book approval and the myth of “military fact-checking.”
• 52:17-54:07: Detailed breakdown of O’Neill’s bin Laden story, focus on timing and tactical logic.
• 62:33-64:15: Brent/Drew: “They didn’t see what they think they saw.” On bashing teammates’ competence.
• 80:42-81:33: Drew compares O’Neill’s inconsistent narrative to Matt Bissonnette’s clarity.
• 101:07-101:15: O’Neill: “I didn’t tell that part of the debrief. This is the truth.”
• 112:27-113:00: Brent spotlights Rob’s earlier interviews vs. his current version of events.

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Audience Reactions & Community

• Live chat and superchats overwhelmingly support Brent’s integrity-focused approach, criticize O’Neill’s shifting narrative, and call for greater truth and clarity in the special operations community.
• Comments highlight Andy Stumpf’s patience and skill in handling O’Neill’s claims, essentially letting him “dig his own grave” with his words.

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Conclusion

This episode stands as a hard-hitting, detailed challenge to the “official” story put forth by Rob O’Neill and, more broadly, to any attempts at revising history for personal gain. Brent’s passionate defense of truth, coupled with rigorous, first-hand tactical analysis and community engagement, makes clear the cost of public lies—not just to reputations, but to public trust in veteran communities as a whole.

“If you have the truth, you should never be afraid of questions. The truth isn’t scared of questions.” —Brent Tucker (131:14)

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Next Episode:
Jimmy Watson joins Brent live for a characteristically rollicking and unfiltered deep-dive into elite operations and warrior culture.

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This summary was crafted to capture the energy, analysis, and tone of Tier1 Podcast—brutally honest, technical, and fiercely protective of the integrity of the special operations community.

Transcript

[Brent]

Let's go, Drew.

[Drew]

Yeah, buddy.

[Brent]

Hey, pull up the, let's, let's get right into it. Let's pull up the first video. What we're gonna do today, guys, is walk right through Andy Stump's episode and basically walk right through what it is he said. And I will give you my opinion of it at times, and then I'll tell you how, what, what really happened at, at times. Let's go, Drew.

[Drew]

All right, Let me know if it's not the right spot. Here we go.

[Rob O'Neill]

The anti hero podcast. And what went down is basically them calling me in a very, very hateful tone of fraud.

[Brent]

Very, very.

[Rob O'Neill]

And a liar for two straight years. And they've been making a living off.

[Brent]

Of it for two straight years.

[Rob O'Neill]

They've been making a living off of calling out veterans.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay.

[Rob O'Neill]

And they've, they've done it to me. I think I was first.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And I did respond back when I was drinking heavily. Shouldn't have responded the way that I did.

[Brent]

Just, just real quick. We haven't gotten that far into it, and I have to address this. I know Rob wants, wants to think that he lives rent free in our heads. We did one podcast on him and I've been, I've been pretty consistent on this about I keep things private. Private. But when you go to this extent, I, I, I, I have to tell more. I actually absolutely reached out to him and this, and this, this will come into play later. And I, he has my personal number. At least he used to. And I said, hey, Rob, call me. This was way. This was before we did an episode on him. This was just when, when that short was, was put out. And the only thing he would ever say to me is, hey, you're just jealous that you're not rich and famous. And I would say, rob, this isn't about that. This isn't about that. Here's my phone number. You're more than willing to call me. This is, this is about the truth. And he would only do it at like 2 or 3 o' clock in the morning. And that's all he'd ever tell me, is that I'm just, I'm jealous that I'm not rich and famous. Of course, he eventually blocked me and those. And when you block someone, it erases those messages. But he actually, he absolutely had the chance to, to talk to me and, and chose not to. For him to say that we've been making a living off of him for years, that couldn't be any less true. In fact, we're doing an Episode now, because. Because of you, Rob, I've only done rebuttal things to you. I. I didn't. I could have. If I was just in it for clicks, I could have done just a whole new episode on them on my own channel. I didn't because it's already out there. And the truth is already out there. The first time I talked about them was in our very first episode, but that was because you called me an asshat. And then you went on your podcast and you tried to get my former co hosts problems, personal problems, and you. And you were trying to smear that on me. And so I came out and gave rebuttal to that. So it's just odd to me that he paints himself as the victim and he paints himself as he's being attacked by us. Rob. Now this is the second time, the only time I ever bring you up is when you insert yourself, which you clearly have no problem inserting yourself. And when he says, we do it in the most vile way. Drew, bring up the YouTube video. The very, the very first one. And he calls us vile and malicious. Let's. The very first one, Drew. And let's see how vile and malicious I am.

[Drew]

All right, hopefully this plays right, because they're saying there's a little bit of an echo.

[Brent]

Okay. Commenting that. I'm pretty sure he's come out publicly and said that, so you can just Google that or go ask him. He's not hard to find. All right, so we're gonna move into who says different, who has publicly came out and at least said about Rob's story. Well, there's one thing I want to do be. Before we get into it, I wanna. I wanna delineate, you know, what. What I'm doing here and what I'm trying to say about Rob. Rob is an American war hero that away from Rob. Rob has two silver stars. One from the raid, from ubl. So far for shooting ubl, everyone on that. It was a mission award that. That everyone got, and rightfully so. But his truly valorous silver Star anytime is. You know, that silver star gets brought up in some sort of conversation. Every guy says he was a hero that day. He was badass. He earned that silver star. I have, you know, he served his country honorably as a Whiteside SEAL member. I'm so. He served his country honorably as a Tier one operator, which is an amazing feat that should never be taken away from him.

[Drew]

Brent, that was so mean.

[Brent]

I do not have a problem with. I'm not, I'm not saying he was dishonest in this one piece of. One mission the guy was on and 399 missions of everything else that he's done is crap. And I just want to make that absolutely clear. Okay, it's pretty clear, Brandon. All right. It's pretty clear. Personal. If. If not everyone has seen the beginning of this and how it started. That's. That's. That's how I maliciously started this campaign of truth. But the truth does matter, and that's how I started it. So just wanted everyone. Just want to remind everyone what happened. Drew, let's continue playing the. The episode on the Andy Stumpf podcast. What was the response?

[Rob O'Neill]

No, just. I think I didn't see it along the line. I think it was something along the lines of I don't even know you, bro. Yeah, something like that. And then whatever, back and forth. But they've been added after me, and whenever they use my name, the clicks go up. And then they did it to Tim Ken. They did it to Jocko. They did it to Chris Kyle. God rest his soul. They did it to Marcus Lutrell. They did. I think they did to Dakota.

[Brent]

No, and what.

[Rob O'Neill]

I mean, whether this talk likes it or not, I've.

[Brent]

We just started, and he just. He can't. He can't. He just can't be completely honest. I was not vile to him. He's not honest about the messages that. That he sent me, and he's not honest about who we went after. I did a podcast on Rob o', Neal, I did a podcast on Tim Kennedy, and I did a podcast on John McPhee. Those are the three people I've done a podcast on, and I stand by every single one of them. And everything I said. He wants to bring up Chris Kyle. I never did a podcast on Chris Kyle. He wants to bring up Jocko. I've never done a podcast on Jocko. He wants to bring up Marcus Luttrell. I have never done a podcast on Marcus Luttrell, but there was a Navy SEAL that came on our show and wanted to talk about that. I didn't. That's not my Expose podcast. If someone else wants to talk about things, they're more than welcome to, by the way, as time has gone on, he ended up being right when he said things like, the Navy even wrote his book for him. Guess what? Not too long ago, he came out and admitted that there are a lot of things he ended up being right about. So you can be upset that a fellow Navy SEAL said that, but I didn't do that another Navy SEAL said those things. Who? Dakota Meyer? I've never done a podcast on Dakota Meyer. In fact, they're quite the opposite. There are people that question his story. People have asked me to look into it and I said, he's a Medal of Honor winner. I'm not looking into it. And primarily. And this, I've always been consistent about this. Not because it's the truth or Medal of Honor winners are above the truth, but you don't put yourself in for a Medal of Honor. Someone else puts you in for a Medal of Honor. So that is very different than Rob and Tim and, and John McPhee. You guys wanted the fame you guys wanted so desperately. Everything you got. And then you got it. And then when the truth came out, you're upset that people call you out about it. So again, Rob just can't even be honest. So it just started and he's not being honest. I don't know if it'll get better from here, but let's see what else he has to say.

[Rob O'Neill]

Will be known as the guy who made money off of trying to ruin veterans lives.

[Andy Stumpf]

So let's, let's parse this here for a sec. I'm curious, what are your thoughts on, or should there be the ability to call other veterans out?

[Rob O'Neill]

Well, yeah, but not, not, not that way. I, I think a phone call.

[Andy Stumpf]

So that's what I'm saying.

[Brent]

But a phone call. A phone call.

[Drew]

Like, let's talk about the phone call.

[Brent]

Like the time I gave you my number and you never called me. Is that, is that how, is that how you want it to go, Rob? And by the way, you said I will only be known for the guy who tried to ruin other veterans. And that's just not true. That's not what I do. How pathetic of a human being would I be if I knew Rob's story was correct? If I knew Tim Kennedy story was correct? And I was like, you know what? I. They're telling the truth, but I just need clicks and views so bad. I don't care. I'm gonna ruin their life.

[Drew]

That sounds like you, Brent. No, I mean, that doesn't sound like you, Brent. How many other podcasts do you.

[Brent]

Right, but, but he doesn't go back.

[Drew]

To the other stuff that you did.

[Brent]

Your work of art. Yeah, it's, I've, I've, it's, it's just. You want to talk about defamation? That's, that's, that's pretty defaming. But don't worry, Rob. I'm not going to sue you. But that's. That's not who I am. That is not who I am.

[Rob O'Neill]

I'm.

[Brent]

I've been 100% in everything I've said. And by the end of this one, if most people already believe it, go to the comments section of the Andy Stump podcast. It is brutal. And these aren't my people, so to speak. Andy Stumpf is a. Is. Is a even keel guy.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And by the end of this episode, we might have some fun at the end, we might go through some of the comments. He is absolutely getting hammered in the episode. So. No, Rob, I know you want that to be who I am, but because I've been right, you will be remembered as the guy who tried to make money off of someone else's heroism.

[Drew]

But for me to chime in for just a second, what chaps my height on this is how he says that, you know, every time, you know, the anti hero used his name, they were making money. Well, number one, that's. That. That wasn't the. That wasn't the case. Number two, he was an old chapter we put on the shelf for a long time until he came out later and started talking trash.

[Brent]

Right.

[Drew]

Because of what came out about Hoover's past.

[Brent]

Right.

[Drew]

Trying to connect that to you.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

He's the one who brought this all back up.

[Brent]

Right. I covered that.

[Drew]

And. And if anybody's making money, maybe it was on the guy who went around the whole country telling people what he didn't do. For what, Brent? What did he do that for?

[Brent]

For fame and money. Yeah, for fame and money. All right, let's. Let's see how he thinks I should have handled this. Well, a phone call. That was an option that you did, that you said no to Rob. Let's see how else Rob thinks that I should have handled this.

[Andy Stumpf]

I agree with the phone call. I think if you are connected with the person, I think that the first move should always be to go directly.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah, I agree.

[Andy Stumpf]

When you and I.

[Brent]

No, he doesn't agree.

[Andy Stumpf]

Talk briefly on the phone. Probably about a month ago when we were setting this up, and I think. I'm pretty sure I told you my biggest concern in all of this is the external view of the veteran community and how. And how it erodes. The biggest question I get now is how do I know who to trust? That's a question actually a really hard question to answer because there are public examples, and I don't want to harp on Tim too much. I think Tim is a. He's one of the nicest people that I've ever been around.

[Rob O'Neill]

Me too.

[Andy Stumpf]

But at this point, the volume of information around what he has been in his own words, not what other people were saying.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Is at a point where it's like, man, the conclusion that I am coming to, that the evidence points to is that you lied repeatedly, why you did so I leave that to you to make up your own mind. But a phone call, I don't know, it fixes that one. And most of those things that were said or actually public facing. So how do you address that without being public about that? I'm not trying to compare the two situations.

[Rob O'Neill]

It's not my problem.

[Andy Stumpf]

That's what I'm saying. I'm not trying to compare the two situations. I'm just, I'm thinking out loud, should there be a mechanism? Because vets, unfortunately, are probably the only people that can sniff out the bs.

[Rob O'Neill]

Oh, no doubt about it.

[Andy Stumpf]

Call out other vets. I think it's. It's the how.

[Rob O'Neill]

The how definitely needs to change.

[Brent]

The how needs to change. Okay, how do we do it?

[Andy Stumpf]

Because here's.

[Brent]

This is. This is what's hilarious. So the how needs to change. And he would like it to be done privately. And so basically what he's saying is. And isn't this convenient. I would like to be able to mislead the American public and I would like to make all the money and say things publicly. And then when you call me out privately, I'll go, my bad. And then you'll just go back to. That's. I'm trying to think of a good way to describe it that would. It's almost like, of course you don't like how it's done. Yeah, because.

[Drew]

Because it has. Accountability brings things to the list.

[Brent]

Right. Because you're the one that has to pay the price for misleading people this whole time. That would be like asking illegal immigrants, do you like ice? And do you think the way ICE deports people is the way it should be done at an elite. Of course ICE does. Of course illegal immigrants don't like ice.

[Drew]

I wanted the ICE to give me a phone call.

[Brent]

Of course they'd be like, the deportations should be handled in a private manner. And on the trust. On the trust system that I'll go back. My bad.

[Drew]

Text them to go back home.

[Brent]

It's insane. And they, they'll go back home asking the guy who's been doing it publicly and has the most to lose about being called out saying, how would you prefer it be done? Of course he doesn't like that method. It holds him accountable. Let's. Let's see what. Let's see where he goes from here.

[Andy Stumpf]

Now, when the end state of people, let's say coloring outside of the lines is public, does a private phone call solve that or does the response actually have to be public too? And I don't necessarily have an answer to this.

[Rob O'Neill]

I don't. I mean, I don't think it necessarily needs to be public, especially like when they're comparing to me. It started with Tim Kennedy with a bronze star without valor.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Slick BS versus bv.

[Rob O'Neill]

But a lot of people don't realize there is administrative award for a bronze star. And then the V means you're in combat. And he didn't have a V. And that's where the argument started. I don't know all the stories he told. To be fair. I've met him a few times and I like him personally.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And he's a black belt in jiu jitsu. One UFC fights. I'm taking his word. That's how we started. Bronze started with V. I have four of those with V. Same don't give a. That's what the argument starts. But then we start saying, Tim's a fraud. Rob. Just like Rob o'. Neill. It's like, hold up.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Four bronze stars without two silver stars that don't come with valor. It's assumed gallantry. Like another one, Val. Another one like that. When you. When they start lumping me in, maliciously saying they're all liars. That's. I mean, you're broad brush stroking. It's not calling Rob o' Neill and saying, hey, here's the issue.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Andy Stumpf]

And again, I'm trying to, you know.

[Brent]

Let'S address that real quick. Of course, he goes back to. That's not calling Rob. Rob, once again, let me remind you. Yeah. I gave you my phone number. Is him saying, well, we're com. He's comparing his metals to say we're. We're nothing alike. But it was never. It was, wasn't. It wasn't about the medals. Rob, I've never questioned your. Your medal. Count it. Absolutely. You absolutely get lumped in when one guy tells a story that's not the truth. That didn't happen. And then another. In order to get fame and money, and then another guy doesn't tell the truth and he does it in order for fame and money. Well, that seems. That seems to be the same type of person that seems to be that you could clump those two together, couldn't you? Absolutely. Am. I am. I am. I. Crazy.

[Drew]

You're crazy. But not about that.

[Brent]

All right, let's. Let's. And for him to only talk about Tim Kennedy's. It's, you know, it's. It's about a metal thing. I don't really know about it. You clearly don't know about it. We could spend another 20 minutes talking about everything but his medals. It was way more than that, but way to. Way to downplay that. But he has to. He has to downplay the Tim Kennedy thing. But. Because he can't give me credit for exposing Tim Kennedy for. As bad as he was, because I'm the same guy exposing him, Right? So if you're right on one, people go, well, he's probably right on the other. So he's. He's really getting painted in a corner right now, and he. He wants to. He wants to talk about something else.

[Drew]

Well, apparently there are some people out there that believe it's okay to make money lying about things, but you're a. You're a terrible person. If you're trying to do something and tell people the truth, make it make sense. Brent.

[Brent]

I can't. I. I can't. All right, see what else.

[Rob O'Neill]

He has been asked about what happened in the room by anyone there except the point man in. In the body bedroom.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, give me, like, a few more minutes. We'll get to that.

[Rob O'Neill]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying that's a very important question.

[Andy Stumpf]

Oh, I know, and trust me, I'm.

[Rob O'Neill]

Not saying you didn't do your research.

[Brent]

I'm just letting Andy know what good questions are.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, the veteran. The veteran public facing positives and negatives. That's. There has to be a way to. And again, I don't have the answer to this. And so separating the two, because what can happen is that. And I agree with you on this, you can develop a following, let's say, and the first ones you have a history of. You find something and you talk about it, and it's true, and it grows, right? And then you find something else and you talk about and it's true. Maybe your business model even shifts. So that's what you know. I mean, that becomes that. Then you're looking for more salacious, you're looking for more controversial. Then you get one wrong, right? I don't know. And this is where it just gets lost. And people are like, I'm so tired of seeing bets attack each other. What do we do? Which that's telling the truth, which one's not? And I don't have answers to any of this. I'm just trying to paint the picture of what I. What I see in front of us, and it's. It's rough.

[Rob O'Neill]

Well, when I checked into Red Squadron In 2004, Wyman Howard was a CEO. And I remember. I'll never forget. I mean, we're standing against the wall, fresh out of Green Team, don't know about this place. And I remember him.

[Drew]

All right, I gotta chime in here. Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

What.

[Drew]

What drove me nuts about this interview was every time Andy asked, like, a significant question or a pertinent question, Rob would launch into irrelevant details about background stuff and people. It was just the weirdest thing.

[Brent]

Right. He's. He's talking about how. How we should handle the. The bogus vet situation.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And he breaks out until I'm a new guy at Red Squadron.

[Drew]

So naming people and their rank and all this other stuff, it's like, what does that have to do with anything?

[Brent]

And this isn't the first time he does this. Not. It's not the only time he does it either.

[Rob O'Neill]

You know, talking to the entire squadron. I'm there. I'm a fly on the wall, amazed.

[Brent]

At this level, in fact.

[Rob O'Neill]

And he said, you know, when we all retire, because it's. If we work together, we'd all be millionaires. But that's never gonna happen. And that's why it needs to be stopped, because people working together will get rid of some of the bullshit questions that come up, forget some reason. And I don't know where the stories. Some of the stories is built on each other. I don't know where they come from, but there's a better way than just saying this guy's a fraud. Kill him or not kill him, but ruin his life like you think. I mean, Tim Kennedy had a lot of. And are they better off people that pointed it out. Do they?

[Andy Stumpf]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Drew]

And I.

[Andy Stumpf]

For Tim, I think he has done more net positive than net.

[Rob O'Neill]

Without question.

[Andy Stumpf]

The problem.

[Brent]

Without question. Let's just hold on that. Just real quick. And this. There's very few times I disagree with Andy. And by the way, I, I don't. I don't think it. I think I would say it goes without saying. I'm gonna say it anyway. I couldn't be any bigger of a fan of Andy Stumpf. He is one of good dude. He's. He's. He's one of the best men out there. He's one of the best podcasters out there. I, I will never be as Good as Andy Stump and classic dude. And I'm okay with classy dude. I will never have his vocabulary or his professionalism as much as I try. But when you. When you say he's been a net positive, he's done way more good things and bad things. It goes back just because I didn't do another pod because I decided enough was enough. I just because I didn't end up doing another podcast on the pull out of Afghanistan of what Tim Kennedy did. And I didn't end up doing a podcast on what he did or didn't do. And in North Carolina and Israel it goes back to who says he did all these good things. Oh, Tim did. And that's how you know he did all these good things. Well, I've already proven to you and now it's a fact that all the good things he didn't combat didn't happen. So what makes you think all the good things he did and other areas is also true? It's just that's. That's the one place I think Andy gets it wrong. And of course Rob gets that wrong too as he gets a lot of things wrong on during this interview.

[Andy Stumpf]

In my opinion which counts for nothing. The problem with the situation with Tim is that he won't own it.

[Rob O'Neill]

That's if he would own it off the bat, it would have been a.

[Brent]

Better Rob, don't you start.

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean if you look back at.

[Brent]

The first video better basically at the.

[Andy Stumpf]

End said you know you guys the anti hero guys.

[Rob O'Neill]

I'd heard that too. I didn't see it.

[Brent]

I saw.

[Andy Stumpf]

I watched it. He made the video and it's like dude sounds simple.

[Drew]

Went after the another guy did that.

[Andy Stumpf]

Message and then when he did try.

[Brent]

To own it, you called exact.

[Andy Stumpf]

You could have owned it intentionally. Some responsibility.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And he didn't. And I understand why because I think there are probably cascading legal consequences from that he might be in risk from his publisher from a book things of that nature.

[Rob O'Neill]

Did I get approved the book. It's a top military G. Approval moved.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. I mean that is unabashed.

[Brent]

He's about to get to it here.

[Rob O'Neill]

That is I get. I mean that's what I did. I was like I had. Well my book came about funny because my. My father's convinced that I do everything and has been like. He's convinced. He's still in Butte, Montana, right?

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Here's the point. When I joined the military delayed entry program and G GI Jane was coming out Demi Moore just been down there to check it out we were at home and there was a Life magazine depicting buds. And inside was drown proofing. And my father said, see, that's you right there. I can tell that's you by your calves as he was facing dad. I'm literally not in the Navy yet.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Like, I'm not.

[Andy Stumpf]

That could potentially be me in an evolution.

[Brent]

I'm pretty sure your dad knows you're not in the Navy yet.

[Drew]

And he said, that's the point. I don't know. I don't think that whole story was the point, but the point was to call out GI Jane. How cool it was. I don't think. I don't know.

[Brent]

He's. He's. He's hard to track sometimes.

[Andy Stumpf]

I saw you yesterday and this article was written last month. Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah. It's just so. It's funny. No, what was the first question? I was making a point about my father.

[Andy Stumpf]

I was talking about how owning.

[Rob O'Neill]

Owning it.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

So. So anyway, sorry.

[Brent]

So it's funny when it comes to the answer about owning it. Yeah. Where were we? Yeah. Oh, you know, I was talking about.

[Drew]

Life magazine in my calves.

[Brent]

Yeah. That my dad forgot that I was in the Navy yet. All right, Nice.

[Rob O'Neill]

When I got to buds, I remember, check. I'm in my whites again. Same day, someone is up at 602 yelling at someone else who just finished the 5.5 nautical mile swim or whatever. I'm like, yeah, what am I doing here? And my dad said, journal for sure, because someone's going to want to read your book one day. And I remember, I'll keep a journal. But who the want to read my book?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

But then I had a journal. It's like, well, I'll just get this approved.

[Brent]

Yeah, I did. You know what's kind of how that came.

[Rob O'Neill]

Get it approved.

[Andy Stumpf]

I've heard horror stories and stuff. Sliding through like a train on greased rails.

[Rob O'Neill]

When it comes to. Seriously. I was surprised how fast it was for me.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

They took out a. They took out one number and they made me say Army Special Forces instead of a different unit.

[Andy Stumpf]

Interesting. I wonder what that.

[Rob O'Neill]

Because I was impressed with them. There was this. There was a time.

[Andy Stumpf]

Because they're amazing.

[Rob O'Neill]

When I ran into Delta. The first time was that we're not. Ran into Michael Redacted.

[Brent]

It'll. It'll. It'll come up here later. But he always does this. And Andy's about to call him out here in a little bit about how his. His book got approved. I just have to remind people as Andy's going to Remind people he really just plants that flag that. Oh, did Tim's book get approved? You know Matt Bissonnette's book didn't get approved.

[Rob O'Neill]

He didn't say that.

[Drew]

But that's the implication.

[Brent]

That's the implication. And he says that in other podcasts.

[Drew]

Yes, he does.

[Brent]

There is no veracity check by the military about what you say. They're only sing if you give away tactics or capabilities. That's all they care about. But I'll tell you what's funny. I just couldn't. Couldn't help but but notice it. I. Did the guy carry a journal? It's just me. I know. I'm just. At this point I. I doubt it because I, I doubt your dad forgot you're in the Navy as well. You know who else claimed to have a journal and wrote his book off of his journal?

[Drew]

Tim.

[Brent]

They're so alike.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

How dare I clump them together.

[Drew]

They're.

[Brent]

They're so alike. All right, let's. Let's see.

[Rob O'Neill]

Sorry about that. I remember seeing them and I think it like I'd work with them at the command, but then I saw them.

[Brent]

In awesome Delta Forces.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, no, I did a cross training work up in deployment with Ace Water.

[Drew]

Fantastic.

[Rob O'Neill]

Fantastic. That's your job? You're going to hunt people off a little bird with machine gun? Yeah, sign me up.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, there are a few jobs.

[Rob O'Neill]

Jealous.

[Brent]

Jesus.

[Rob O'Neill]

I want that job.

[Andy Stumpf]

So where do you think the lawsuit goes from here?

[Rob O'Neill]

Hopefully they're trying to get it dismissed right now. They want it dismissed before discovery. I don't. I want to go to court. They're trying to move it to federal court, but all three defendants are in. Or the, the. All the defendants are in Florida. Doesn't need to go federal. We're going to keep it in New York. We moved to keep it new.

[Andy Stumpf]

How do you think the discovery process would impact that? If they wanted to subpoena, let's say everybody that went up to the third.

[Brent]

I love this answer.

[Rob O'Neill]

If they, they could subpoena everyone. Well, I mean they could if they wanted. There's no reason to.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

The two people, the first two people in the room saw what happened. The third guy in the room it told. He said he didn't see what happened.

[Brent]

Right.

[Rob O'Neill]

And the third guy in the room was so.

[Brent]

I love this answer. Which is. It's. It's like asking a criminal, hey, like when you did this bank robbery, should, should we bring in these witnesses that were in the bank? You know, I don't think you need to Bring in any witnesses that were in the bank. They didn't see. They didn't see nothing. It's for, for him. As if he's like, swaying my opinion or my lawyer's opinion or anyone's opinion. Yeah. And be like, well, you know what? Dang. I don't think about that. That's not, let's not subpoena everyone that. That was there. Right. It'd be useless.

[Drew]

It's like all the people in the chats that say things like, well, you weren't there. Well, apparently that doesn't count because if you were there, according to Rob, they don't know what happened either.

[Brent]

Right. Those, those, those guys weren't on the mission. Those guys weren't in all the rooms. Those guys didn't talk to each other. Those guys weren't in the debrief. All of that. The guys on the ground. Just don't, don't, don't even worry about that. Just. Basically what he's saying is, guys, just, just take my word for it. Just take my word for it. I just think that's, that's, it's a technique. It didn't work. Rob, I'm subpoena to everyone.

[Rob O'Neill]

The number three man in a stack. He was the point man of a second stack.

[Andy Stumpf]

Really?

[Rob O'Neill]

Yes. That's where the confusion comes in.

[Andy Stumpf]

How did he end up the point man of his second stack? Is there distance between the now and.

[Rob O'Neill]

I need to clarify. Also, just for people listening, this lawsuit is not proving who killed bin Laden. It's about malicious defamation of character. They don't need to subpoena anyone to see how mean and rude and taking. Trying to make a living off ruining me.

[Brent]

Okay, what's the.

[Drew]

I'm suing so many high schoolers.

[Brent]

Hold on. I almost couldn't believe he said that. Although you would think at this point there's nothing would surprise me. This isn't about who killed bin Laden. So this whole lawsuit isn't about the truth. It's about me being mean about it. Which is crazy because I just showed you how mean I was about it. I called him a war hero. I said he served his country honorably. I said he went on hundreds of missions and, and, and did great things. But at the end of the day, all the good things you do does not give you a pass to lie about something and then take someone else's heroism and claim it all and claim it as your own for money and fame. So it's just, it's insane that he just said that. It's not about who killed bin Laden. That's exactly. That's exactly what this is about. This is about the truth. So he's sitting there basically just said this isn't about the truth, it's about being mean. So I don't think Rob's a dumb guy but maybe he doesn't understand how defamation lawsuits work.

[Drew]

No but he does understand how manipulation and psyops works.

[Brent]

He does and he's gonna. And he's getting into it right here. Let's continue.

[Andy Stumpf]

Proof on that for your lawyer probably.

[Rob O'Neill]

The lawsuit if they read it they would see how much stuff I have depicted over the even the past year which is statute of limitations.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay.

[Rob O'Neill]

Just malicious. Jealous.

[Andy Stumpf]

So it's essentially it's about your.

[Rob O'Neill]

You're being a dick and you're gonna stop. You're. You're making money off defaming me. It's. I've told the story about my daughters who are in college now that were. Here comes the heart disparity like that's what they say now too. Oh what about the veterans who didn't come home with their kids? I'm not saying anything about them. I'm saying my kids. My 4 year old daughter at her preschool at Rollingwood Elementary. I was at a tea party on my birthday. Good Friday, April.

[Andy Stumpf]

She's not currently at the school issue.

[Rob O'Neill]

Not anymore.

[Andy Stumpf]

I was gonna say because I'd be like michael, make a note of that time because we are bleeping that out.

[Rob O'Neill]

But no, no this was 2009.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay.

[Drew]

Yeah I don't get it.

[Rob O'Neill]

Four years old, my birthday.

[Brent]

I think you do.

[Rob O'Neill]

We get a call gotta go Rich rescue Richard Phillips. Give her a kiss. 3 year old my other daughter. I gotta leave to go on right? I haven't even told my wife where we're going because we got back from deployment and I'm telling her I gotta go now. This is the one way mission they're gonna laundry we're die on the way in get blown up when we get there. This is it I gotta tell her about. She's three. She told me to wait. Went upstairs, put Mr. Elephant and a hello and a hello kid Carrie on said well you're out of three year olds and said you're gonna take notification when you get home. Okay. Now they're in college and they're proud of me and they have to talk.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Rob O'Neill]

And everywhere everything they've ever been proud of their your dad's a fraud. He's a fraud. He's a liar and a fraud.

[Andy Stumpf]

Did they get that in person?

[Brent]

Online, they get it all real quick. Again, he's mad at me because his daughters are. Now question him if. If that's true. Who? Drew? Let me just ask you. You. You appear to be a smart guy at times.

[Drew]

At times.

[Brent]

Not. Yes. Me. Not. Not calling out his story as being false is. Is one way that his daughters did not have to go through this. Can you think of any other way that his daughters didn't have to go through this?

[Drew]

Okay, I'm grasping at straws here, Brent, but I do believe that one way you could prevent that is when you come back from your mission. Don't lie about what you did to the whole United States of America and make millions of dollars off of something you didn't do.

[Brent]

That would be. I don't know. I might work somehow. He didn't. He just couldn't connect that. He just couldn't connect that. And I think the people listening can connect that just fine. Let's keep. Let's keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

But then they call me at night. They can't sleep. They've been proud of me their whole lives. That I'm stopping that. That's how you get a defamation lawsuit for people listening. It's not about who killed in line.

[Brent]

Yes, it is.

[Rob O'Neill]

How much of you're taking pleasure in maliciously defaming me?

[Drew]

No.

[Andy Stumpf]

How much of the responsibility. And again, this is a way upstream question. How much of there is. I'm not saying you're responsible, but your actions or decision to come forward with who you are and the book and putting your name out there, if you hadn't made that choice.

[Rob O'Neill]

My name was out the second I pulled the trigger.

[Brent]

No, it wasn't.

[Rob O'Neill]

And I heard the comments.

[Andy Stumpf]

Into the military worlds or the civilians.

[Rob O'Neill]

Here's how it started. Even on the second deck, I ran into Will Chesney on the second deck with Cairo, and he asked me who got him. I heard Nisro.

[Brent]

This is important because he lists Chesney as someone who is. Is a witness of his. Guess what he just admitted to. He runs into Will Chesney on the second deck, and Will doesn't know who. Who shot him. And so he asks Rob, and then Rob tells him, which is, at the time, a partial truth because Rob was the last guy to shoot him.

[Drew]

Yeah, he shot him.

[Brent]

But Rob wants to go, I did.

[Drew]

Yeah, I shot him.

[Brent]

So. So now that. And that's all Rob says. And that's a true statement.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Brent]

But now, Rob, you just admitted, the guy who is in your corner, that he didn't know who did he asked you? And then you told him that and admitted. I guess it started right on target, him omitting the other people who. Who shot him. So you've already on this podcast, admitted to tainting Will Jesse's opinion of who did it. Where do you get it? Oh, he got it from you. Thank you for that, Rob.

[Rob O'Neill]

One of the answers I heard was, oh, great, we're never going to hear the end of this because I tell stories, I talk. So people were asking. And then. Then we get back and there's a. We go to the CBs, there's the Internet, stuff like that. On the flight over, people are, you know, we got Virginia, we got some guys in D.C. we got Coronado. Hey, don't tell anybody. But then you get back, and it's like your bartender. Don't tell anybody. So my name's out. Someone that was a fellow at the.

[Brent]

White House called to say, hey, oh, your name's out. And. And guess how it's out. You told everyone. In fact, I have a video. He's like, oh, we went to the bars. I actually have a video of him going to the bars. When he got back, It's. It's out there on the Internet.

[Drew]

I shot.

[Brent]

I don't know how anyone found out or, I don't know, say, a guy who just shot Osama bin Laden. I tell you, it's a mystery.

[Drew]

He might get a defamation. I don't know. You got to be careful.

[Brent]

Yeah, it's an absolute mystery how it got out at the bars. I don't. Get your ass out here.

[Rob O'Neill]

I go, summer bin Laden.

[Brent]

And he goes, who's asking? I'm like, the US Of A. Bam. I believe this would be a documentary, by the way. I. I believe this would be a documentary. All right, there you go. That's. I'm not saying that's an exclusive. Some people may have seen it before, but it's, you know, some. Sometimes. Some. Some things warrant visiting again. So, again, I don't. I don't know how people got the idea that you shot bin Laden. Maybe. Maybe from you. All right, let's keep going.

[Drew]

Spitball.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Name's out.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, that's out, but that's inside of. At least the bubble. I'm talking like, I didn't.

[Rob O'Neill]

I didn't know. I didn't release it then. I'm. We're gonna be the best friends forever. It doesn't matter.

[Brent]

Yeah. Not after this podcast.

[Rob O'Neill]

There was just. Just getting back. It just. There was. There's butthurt people Butter. Like we went out drinking the night we got back.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. I'm not saying that though. What I'm saying is publicly coming out and acknowledging.

[Rob O'Neill]

Well, I mean, later on, like, I stayed in the Navy.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

I went to JSOC to put in. I wanted to be a master Chief.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

But then really bad started happening. I went to J Stock to put in a warrant package. I'm still going to stay in for 30 years.

[Drew]

Again, here comes the details of. Yeah, you're relevant.

[Rob O'Neill]

I'm down there. JSOC and then extortion went down. Obviously everything morale can.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

We were having some issues at Red Squatter and it was being a JSOC didn't help that I wasn't around the command. This was going around, starting a lot of going to see the master every Monday morning. Talking about me saying I'm signing a book deal. Like, I went up to D.C. i was dating a girl. I was separating.

[Drew]

Any.

[Brent]

This is. Are you kidding me? Rob o' Neal is going to sit there. He's working at a tier one secret organization and he's like, this guy's out there telling people that I'm writing a book deal. Rob, you wrote a book. You did. You did write a book. Matt Bissonnet was absolutely right. If he knew you were writing a book and you're still in and you're under NDA, I mean, there's a reason he got png because you're not supposed to. And you're upset that you're in a secret organization and you're about to write a book deal. Someone says that you're about to write a book deal. And he's like, can you believe this guy? He's over here saying, I'm gonna write a book deal. Well, you did. This is. It's insane. The guy, it's. It's. It's insane. He's. He's always the victim.

[Rob O'Neill]

Don't know.

[Drew]

The timing is crazy.

[Rob O'Neill]

And I get a te on a Saturday night. I get a text saying, you need to be back in Virginia Beach Monday morning at 7 for like a repperman because bis tattletale on me.

[Andy Stumpf]

Oh, he tattletailed on the red swim was having.

[Rob O'Neill]

They didn't.

[Brent]

We're get ahead of a little bit. But apparently he doesn't like tattletales. And a tattletale is when you. Is when you say something you shouldn't say. Right. Like you're expected to keep this wrong quiet, but you tell anyway. So apparently Rob o' Neill does not like tattletales. Just store that one away because the irony of that statement is going to be unbelievable in about 10 minutes.

[Rob O'Neill]

The way the bin Laden thing went down at the end started shady when.

[Andy Stumpf]

It was almost like a draft. I heard like they pulled like the senior most people and everybody kind of took a step down. Like the skipper became like the troop commander.

[Rob O'Neill]

And for before the raid or for.

[Andy Stumpf]

The ones who actually went on the raid.

[Rob O'Neill]

I had heard because I'm talking after the after fish I could talk about before.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well I'm just. I had heard that the way they picked the people to go on the raid had seniority had some lasting impact on the camaraderie of Red Squadron. Maybe perhaps people felt like deserve to be there but they weren't chosen.

[Rob O'Neill]

Morale was the lowest. I I remember it being at Red Squadron before. Yes.

[Andy Stumpf]

Because of that.

[Rob O'Neill]

Because of the. A lot of the structure with the scene.

[Brent]

I want to make sure.

[Rob O'Neill]

But I'm not trying to.

[Brent]

Just something else that I want you to remember here in about 10 minutes. One, Rob doesn't like tattletales. Two this is something very unique that they did that has never been done before to my knowledge. I know it's not the way my organization would have ever done it. And that's not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying it's very unique. They basically picked this all star team to. I say it's an all star team but the senior people to go on this raid. Well one of the problems is of sorts like each troop can do things a little bit different. So we just wouldn't mix troops like you want an organic team that always works together. Just the best way to describe it is just because the NFL puts together an all star team doesn't mean that they can beat the super bowl champs. Because the super bowl. Yeah, they play together all the time. So that's just. It's something super unique. However, that does mean nothing but senior guys are on this mission now. They may do tactics slightly different but that's okay. They pulled it off because. Because they are really good at their job. But it also. But what it would cut down on when you have senior guys, they don't do stupid things, I'll tell you that. So just remember they only brought the most senior of guys, the best guys because they didn't want anyone to do anything stupid. So we just talked about that. Andy brought that up. Rob confirmed it. We're going to talk about that here in a little bit too. Keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

Senior leadership. Yeah, the style was way too micromanaging.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And we used to get into you. I'm sure when officers come in, they got three years. The. Unless the guys are running the show, but they also need to do, like just really start burning people out. And that was going on. I'm not trying to pick anyone out. Just the police started. So you get. We're all back from a deployment stations. We get back in Miami, guys out west in Vegas or whatever, post deployment, and then we get recalled. They recalled ones and twos, some threes.

[Andy Stumpf]

And for people listening, that is. That's a rank structure. One being the highest inside of the team, whether it be skipper, you know, the troop level, team level.

[Brent]

So.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, the senior personnel.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah. Yep. So. And so they pull us in. I think there was 28 total. It was alternate, so I think it was a 23. 22, 23 team and then some alternates.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

But we're at the new building, which. I don't like the new building. I like the old building.

[Andy Stumpf]

I've never been.

[Brent]

Who cares?

[Rob O'Neill]

You're not missing out. It's just. It's like the skiff. The whole second deck is skiff. So you got to go to that end of the mile. That end to go upstairs to walk a mile to your team and shit like that. But they called us into room. A conference room behind the conference room. And lock the door so no one else can come in but these 28.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And these are all seal team six guys. So what. What's going on? And you come out and. Well, I can't tell you. And I don't care if you're trying to be cool or not. So morale takes a hit there.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Guys pull themselves off of the trip. They're not telling us what it is. It started out with we found a thing and. No, this was started out with something about cables under the ocean that we're gonna go repair.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right, that is like an s. That's a cut.

[Brent]

That's it there. Don't worry. I know this just seems like a nitpicking a little bit. When he gets the third floor, we got some big things to talk about. But I just have to point out things when. When they're there. That's the. I. I don't know why he does this. When he tells stories, he's like, we're gonna go repair underwater cables. Was their cover story that NSW that Seal Team 6 was giving them for this mission. They can't tell them about how many. It's the. It's the worst cover story in the world. So either that's true. And Now I believe Seal Team 6 is the worst at ever giving their men cover stories, or it never happened. And by the way, I may have talked to some people and they may have said, what, What?

[Rob O'Neill]

That's.

[Brent]

That's not even in our mission set. We've never repaired cables. We've never trained to repair cables. You know, that would. That, that'd be. That would be the worst cover story ever. And so that's just. Just silly. The guy just can't tell the truth when it comes to the small stuff, much less the big stuff. And then for him to say, yeah, guys pulled themselves off. Off the mission because they thought they were going to do underwater repair. Never happened. I'm just. I'll say, this is my. Well, I can't say it's my opinion because I've actually talked to people. That never happened. No one pulled themselves off the mission because. Because of that. If anyone didn't go on the mission, it was either because of injuries or, or surgeries. But let me tell you, when a tier one organization pulls you into the, the, the back. Back room and only pulls in. In this situation, only the senior people and say, hey, we can't really tell you what you're doing, but, but basically. And you look around and you're like, oh, only the senior guys are here and we can't talk about it. Let me tell you what. There's not a person in that room pulling themselves off the mission.

[Drew]

They're like, that's steel candy.

[Brent]

This is. Yeah, this is big. It's so big. They can't tell me. I'm a tier one operator and they won't even tell me right now. Yeah, and we have the most senior guys. There's no one. There's no one that sat in that briefing and said, nah, I'm pulling myself off this mission. Just. Again, just. It's. He always has to tell a. He's. And he is entertaining, but he tells good stories. And that's a, That's a good story, but that's what it is.

[Drew]

And it's just a lot of information to avoid the real subject.

[Brent]

Yeah, let's. Let's keep going. Hang in there, guys. We're getting to the third floor.

[Rob O'Neill]

Cover story to get us out of town. And then they said, okay, we found a thing in a house in a bowl in these mountains, and you're gonna go get it. What's the thing? Can't tell you type. And so dudes didn't think it was a real mission. So, like, they had ruts being run in Guam or LA and like that. So they pulled themselves off. But morale was really taking a hit.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

This is before the Midland raid.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. Before we get into the raid, I want to. I want to make sure that this.

[Rob O'Neill]

Is Andy trying to reel it back.

[Andy Stumpf]

In publicity with your.

[Rob O'Neill]

You're doing a great job.

[Andy Stumpf]

If you hadn't had put your name out publicly. Do you ever sit back and wonder the difference?

[Rob O'Neill]

No, never really. I was at a point where my name was out enough that I decided.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, there's a difference between your name being out and somebody coming forward.

[Rob O'Neill]

And yeah, there's also a difference between admitting they know who you are or putting your head in the sand and saying, well, they'll never know because I didn't say anything yet. Yeah, that's where I was at. And it's. It. People know this. This. I have to. I mean, I. I'm not even going to get into the. They've moved a lot since the bin Laden, my kids have, and it's been bad. Like, not fun.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

If you hadn't been as public as you have.

[Rob O'Neill]

Well, if I wouldn't have been picked for the bin Laden raid, I would probably be a master chief at San Diego right now, and they'd be fine.

[Andy Stumpf]

Sure. But also things like, you know, the Esquire magazine and stuff like that. If you chose not to participate in things like that, that was it.

[Rob O'Neill]

That was a different reason for that. And.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, my whole point is, though. But, like, the choice to exist publicly is a choice.

[Brent]

Do you ever.

[Andy Stumpf]

I. I'm not arguing against the defamation. What I'm saying is the biggest.

[Rob O'Neill]

Being a public figure.

[Andy Stumpf]

Being a public figure and the choice to do so, even though in the military circles your name was out. I was at trade at.

[Brent]

At the time when my name was out. And again, you did a really good job making sure you let everyone know that. That it was you. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean, this is within days military, for sure. But that's different than being a public figure. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. Do you ever think about.

[Brent]

This is a great answer. I love this.

[Andy Stumpf]

If you could go back in time, I guess the question is, would you still decide to be a public figure based around that particular operation? Not that your career is defined by that, but.

[Rob O'Neill]

No, my career is defined by that.

[Andy Stumpf]

Now, would you make the same choice as far as public figure, your desire.

[Brent]

And he couldn't design what he wants you to answer?

[Rob O'Neill]

I would have made a lot of.

[Brent]

Different decisions about it being a public thing.

[Rob O'Neill]

I would not have provided the top cover in the after actually he didn't.

[Brent]

Ask you about the top cover he.

[Andy Stumpf]

Asked about being a public don't jump ahead.

[Drew]

You're asking, we're getting there.

[Rob O'Neill]

Look I'm not, I'm not unhappy that I gave a squeeze to the appointment going up I'm not unhappy when a troop chief behind, behind me before I went into Bin Laden's house said let's clear the garden I said I would have kept doing that I wouldn't have given as much top cover though I, I'm doing what happened after the Bin Laden raid I remember saying into myself I'm going to regret this this is going to come back to haunt me.

[Brent]

Okay why would you feel like that?

[Andy Stumpf]

What do you mean by top cover?

[Rob O'Neill]

I can explain to you what happened because the big thing they talk about is an after action report I have.

[Brent]

Heard or read let's go that there.

[Andy Stumpf]

Exists a cell phone audio recording yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

I've heard there might be two but I know the commanding officer recorded one.

[Andy Stumpf]

So and for clarity before you even start talking about this I have never been on an operation that was at that level neither had I saying is like the ARS I have done well.

[Rob O'Neill]

That'S why, that's the point around the.

[Andy Stumpf]

Table like you know, I mean because they were like super low level and if we really needed something to focus on or like change something we didn't talk about I've never done something like.

[Rob O'Neill]

This structure get our together yeah that's there's a debrief and then there's probably.

[Andy Stumpf]

So the boys got together talked about.

[Rob O'Neill]

The first, the first debrief was over bin Laden's body in Jalalabad. Okay so we got back I was on the 47 and this is how weird it was. I mean this is a, I'm in, I'm in a new area now like we get off the bird I, I had a piss bottle in my pocket oh my God I've never used them Same reason I carry the old school nods not the crazy quad knobs because I've jumped with these I know they were.

[Andy Stumpf]

Way less heavy too.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah so I also had a diaper but I'm just gonna use a piss bottle I'll remember to throw it out Forgot to just chopping line pocket trying.

[Drew]

To figure out what I'm gonna say.

[Rob O'Neill]

When we get back we land we're going to put the pisser at the back there's a trash can in the back of the hangar where we park the helicopters and there's these mechanics from TF160 pointing at them. Me, that's the guy that got him.

[Brent]

No, they didn't throw the thing away.

[Rob O'Neill]

The other bird comes back run into.

[Drew]

Why would mechanics point and say that's the guy who did it? Right after the mission.

[Brent]

Great. Are you telling me they radioed ahead on the helicopter and said, hey, make sure everyone knows Rob o' Neill did it and make sure the mechanics from back with the 1/60 know this.

[Rob O'Neill]

We have a discussion over here. And then Bin Laden's body's over here. So we go over that. And the ground force commander said to Bill McRaven, Admiral Bill McRaven, do you want to meet the guy that killed him? He brought me, brought him over to me. He put his hand on my back of my neck like this. And it was like almost a fatherly yet uncomfortable.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Looking up in law and he says, your life just changed for your life just changed forever.

[Andy Stumpf]

Hold on ground force.

[Brent]

Are you telling me Admiral McRaven put his hand on your shoulder and said your life is going to change forever? The chance of this happening twice in one day is amazing. I just, when I heard him say that, I was like, I feel like he said that before. Drew, let's go to the next video.

[Rob O'Neill]

Those are the. Basically suggesting those are the suicide bombers. But if we go right now, fast.

[Brent]

Forward just a little bit, we can beat him.

[Rob O'Neill]

And I remember taking a deep breath and it wasn't, it was no, by no means bravery on my part. It was more of, okay, we're blowing now and I'm tired of. I'm tired of thinking about this fucking get over with so I can squeeze. He goes up, he moves the curtain and there are. There were three people standing there. He didn't have. He didn't have time. He just jumped on how he doesn't have metal monitor beyond me. He jumped on the grenade so the guy behind him could get the shot.

[Drew]

Damn.

[Rob O'Neill]

And simply because he went this way. I turned this way and standing three feet in front of me is Osama bin Laden. And he's got his hands on a maul his wife's shoulders which the White House says that I don't know what he's doing. He's not surrendering. He's maneuvering somehow his hands are on her. And I remember thinking, he's taller than I thought. He's skinnier than I thought. So you knew it was him turning the corner. Yep. His beard is gray.

[Brent]

His beard was black.

[Rob O'Neill]

Not surrendering. He's got to have A suicide belt. So I shot him twice when he was standing up. I shot him again on the floor. And then I moved Amal out of the way so I can. I can hear bin Laden taking his last breath. When I shot him, he fell to the foot.

[Brent]

So he just shoots him.

[Rob O'Neill]

I shot him in the face three times.

[Brent]

He just shot him in the face three times. That's important. Keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

I moved amalgamate. And his two year old son is now standing there. And this is the humanity of everything.

[Brent]

He moved them all.

[Rob O'Neill]

This kid has got nothing to do with this. I'm a father.

[Brent]

He's looking at his kidneys, thinking about his kidneys.

[Rob O'Neill]

And I moved him to the back of the bed.

[Brent]

Move them to the back of the bed. Remember all this for later.

[Rob O'Neill]

She'd been shot. And I turn around and I kind of froze. Okay.

[Brent]

Are you kidding me? What's that? I just built a budgeting app in base.

[Rob O'Neill]

44 guys, other Navy Seals are now coming in the room. A lot of guys are in there. And one of my guys came up to me and he said, are you good? And I said, no, no. What are we supposed to do now?

[Brent]

Tactical amnesia.

[Rob O'Neill]

And he said, now we're playing the computers.

[Drew]

We.

[Rob O'Neill]

We do this every night, hundreds of times. And I said, yeah, you're right. I'm back. Holy shit. And he said to me, yeah, you just killed Osama bin Laden. Your life just changed. Get to work.

[Brent]

Oh.

[Rob O'Neill]

And so we did.

[Brent]

So who. So who told you your life's going to change? Both. Both. The guy on target and Admiral McRaven. Or did he get his stories a little bit confused and forgot which guy told him which. Which story he had?

[Drew]

Yeah, that's just which guy did it.

[Brent]

That's crazy. That's crazy. It's also important that you guys looked back at what he said and that he shot Usama bin Laden in the face three times. And all the things that he did after he shot Osama bin Laden in the face. Move the wife three times. Yeah, move the wife. Thought about his kids. Move the kids. And now. And what.

[Rob O'Neill]

When.

[Brent]

And what people do when they come in is remind him what his job is, because he forgot. And then this guy tells him that his life is going to change unless. And then I guess he went to Admiral McRaven later and said, hey, remind him that his life's going to change, because I already told him once.

[Drew]

So, Brent, as a. As an associate pastor, I've never breached a room, thankfully, but I. I do have a little bit of, you know, Logic. So he has the time to shoot Osama bin Laden three times, move his wife, deal with the child, move people to the back of the bed, and then his teammates come in.

[Brent]

Just. But just store that away for a second.

[Drew]

Slowest team that has ever raided a building.

[Brent]

Well, that's.

[Drew]

That sounds slow, Brent.

[Brent]

That's one story. That's one story. Just. Just store that away for a second. All right. Storing it. Let's. Let's. Let's continue on his original podcast. Now, Admiral McRaven happens to say the same exact thing to him. Keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

He was right next to me.

[Brent]

No, no.

[Rob O'Neill]

Oh, no. In the. In. Yeah, in the. He was. He wasn't in the room either.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

I mean, works.

[Brent]

Which.

[Andy Stumpf]

For any ground force commander out there.

[Rob O'Neill]

You better not be the.

[Andy Stumpf]

I was gonna say, see, one of.

[Rob O'Neill]

The best ground force commanders I've ever had. And again, this goes to the theory. Not the theory. The practice of a debrief when we were in Iraq in 07. The best summer of my life, by the way. And we're hitting target. Target. Target following. We're waiting. The sun's going to come up. I need to call in the birds, but we got, you know, the GRG things, whatever. And then my troop commander's right here. I said, all right, here's the deal with this building. Now we're doing flex here. Hit this belt. And I looked at him and go, sir, you're in charge. And he said, oh, make no mistake, I'm not in charge. I'm responsible. You're in charge. Don't me meaning go do. Go do what you have to do and then tell me what I have to know. Also, that's an after action. I don't know any guy's gonna do an after action.

[Brent]

Also not true.

[Rob O'Neill]

Exactly how it went down. Perfect.

[Brent]

We. We. A tier one operator, know who's running things. And. And that. That guy knows what he's running and what he's not running. Yeah, he's never. He's never looked at an officer and be like, oh, I forgot. You're. You're in charge here. Yeah, I'm not making the plan. No, actually, you are making the plan. He just approves the plan. But he doesn't really approve. Once we're. He doesn't approve of the plan. Like, he just goes, okay, you. You guys go. That's just. Again, another side story. And it's just that it's a story. All right, let's keep everyone safe.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah, I've. I've done hundreds of them and Every, every one listening to this who's been in the military has two. And you know an after action report, when something can be incriminated, you don't just throw it out for them to record.

[Andy Stumpf]

What'd you and the poor man talk about away from when you did?

[Rob O'Neill]

He asked me the two questions. The two questions anyone from that team has asked me about the room other than an email I got from Bis later. And he asked me where the was everyone.

[Andy Stumpf]

The one man ass.

[Brent]

He. He always references. So he's his email, but he's never shown the email. I'd just be very interested. Usually when you want to prove you know what, what someone did, you normally if you talk about it that much, it was like, hey, you know, he could. What would be great if he showed that. I hate to give him advice, but if he showed that on his struggling podcast, like that would be. That would get you the views that you so desperately want. I just. But because he never shows it, something tells me there's something not exactly the way he talks about it in that email.

[Andy Stumpf]

Shots.

[Rob O'Neill]

He took a shot.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. And was asking you whether or not he was hit when I saw him when the debrief went down.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yes.

[Andy Stumpf]

What was the difference between those two?

[Rob O'Neill]

The difference was the shot hit him on the top of the head. And then what we said was. And then I went in and he was circling the drain. That's the story. That's clean.

[Brent]

That's clean.

[Rob O'Neill]

Clean meaning there's no questions. That's their debrief.

[Andy Stumpf]

Is that what happened?

[Brent]

No. Okay.

[Rob O'Neill]

I'm prepared to tell you.

[Brent]

He's about to tell us what really happened. So let's cover this, this lie, even though he's, he's, he's not a liar, but now he just admits that, that he did lie. But what's crazy is of sorts, he's, he's, he's lying about a lie. So he says, hey, we have to make this clean. He, he already gave the reasons why they had to make it clean because the one man missed the shot is what he's. Is what he's saying. And then. But what we're going to say is, is what happened is that he grazed him in the top of the head and I, and I, and I came in and finished him. So he doesn't realize again, there's so many similarities between him and Tim Kennedy. How dare I clump them together. Tim Kennedy used to tell stories that he thought were cool stories, but it made Special forces look really bad.

[Drew]

Right.

[Brent]

He didn't intend that wasn't his intent. No, but he didn't think it through completely. Like through that lens. Yeah. So what. What Rob is unintentionally doing, but absolutely doing here is Saying Seal Team 6 members will lie in a debrief about what happened. That's crazy to me. It's crazy to me. No, they don't. They don't lie. Let me tell you. If you. But if you wanted to cover a mistake up, I'm not saying. I'm not saying this would never happen. But again, the chances of two people telling you the same thing in the same night in two different countries, one in Afghanistan and one in Pakistan, is pretty low. Right. The chances of guys getting together and making this the plan. Hey, something wrong happened. Okay. So this is what we're going to do. We're going to tell a whole lie, make up a whole new story. And he just said only him and Red made up this story. So you're telling me only you and Red now are going to make up a whole new story, and then you're going to go into a debrief with 22, with 20 other assaulters. They're all going to hear this new story for the first time and go, yeah, that's what happened. Yeah. So now they're. Now they're all liars or complicit. But what would be easier? Making up a whole new story and then just. Or just omitting the part that you don't want to admit to and continuing with the true story.

[Drew]

You're just making too much sense there. That's just too much.

[Brent]

Okay. If you do something wrong on target, the easier thing would be to tell the story exactly how it happened and just not say things you don't want to say. Yep. But apparently what he's saying is. It's not. That's not what I'm saying. What he's saying is they're not that smart, and they're going to. To take this complicated route, not tell anyone else, and this is the best way we're going to do things.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Brent]

How stupid does that make Steel Team 6 look?

[Drew]

Pretty bad.

[Brent]

And they're not. I've worked with them. They're some of the greatest dudes. Of course they're some of the greatest dudes on earth. Absolutely. They. They're cut from the same cloth that my former unit was. They're standup guys. And it just. This is not how it happens. No, this isn't how it happens. Let's keep going. Believe it or not, it gets crazier.

[Rob O'Neill]

Down. And I've never told anyone before.

[Andy Stumpf]

We'll get to that. But. So, okay.

[Rob O'Neill]

This is an exclusive.

[Brent]

Settle down.

[Andy Stumpf]

First off, you might want to give it to somebody else, because I'm kind of a. I don't know if you've.

[Brent]

Read Good News, you should have taken Andy's advice. And here's.

[Andy Stumpf]

And here's, like, I'm not. I'm not a provocateur.

[Brent]

Right.

[Rob O'Neill]

I never thought that.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I think actually one of the first things I told you on the phone was like, dude, I don't care who killed.

[Rob O'Neill]

I believe I said, I don't either.

[Brent]

Yeah, but. But I'll sue you for $25 million if you say differently.

[Andy Stumpf]

In the official debrief, the truth wasn't told. Which another way to put that is somebody somewhere lied.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah, possibly.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, if the truth wasn't told, I'm going to connect the two.

[Brent]

That's how it works.

[Andy Stumpf]

If the story that was.

[Drew]

I don't think he knows what a lie is. I don't know.

[Andy Stumpf]

Not what happened on the ground. Then.

[Rob O'Neill]

It was kind of close.

[Brent]

It was kind of close as well as I do.

[Andy Stumpf]

That doesn't mean anything.

[Rob O'Neill]

Well, at a debrief, it really doesn't either.

[Andy Stumpf]

Unless that debrief is used.

[Brent]

Thank you.

[Andy Stumpf]

Paint the official narrative moving forward.

[Brent]

Thank you, Andy.

[Rob O'Neill]

Possibly.

[Brent]

Yeah, possibly.

[Rob O'Neill]

The good news is, though, in the debrief, the appointment for the second stack, who was three men in the room, everyone him and behind, doesn't need to be subpoenaed because they didn't see it.

[Brent]

Thanks again. Thank you.

[Rob O'Neill]

And what some guys saw, they just. They. They didn't see what they think they saw.

[Brent]

They didn't see when they think they saw. What does that mean?

[Drew]

They don't see what they think they saw?

[Brent]

Are you trying to convince me? You trying to convince your teammates? You're trying to convince yourself. What is that? I've never told my teammates. You didn't see what you think you saw. That's insane. They're the best in the world at what they do. They know what they see.

[Drew]

Their life depends on what they see.

[Brent]

Their job depends on them understanding what they see.

[Drew]

And the life of the man next to them.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Depends on what they see.

[Brent]

So he continues to basically just bash his other assaulters as just not being that smart. Let's keep going. Let's see how bad it gets.

[Drew]

Just starting to make me mad, Brent.

[Rob O'Neill]

People are on TV admitting they shot bin Laden while he was dead. And the appointment was always in front of me. They didn't say how far he was in front of you.

[Andy Stumpf]

So what actually happened when we were.

[Rob O'Neill]

I was eight guys. Well, now I need it back.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, talk me through. Because we can skip the garden. Because I agree with you on that. I feel like the garden was probably a visual suite.

[Rob O'Neill]

I think the guys who crash in the front yard cleared the garden on the way.

[Andy Stumpf]

We're gonna give that one a visual pass.

[Rob O'Neill]

And I'd love to hear because I don't know what happened on the helicopter, the crash. All I know is we fast roped a ton training to the point where I was like, we gotta stop. The only person to fast rope on that mission was the pilot.

[Brent]

Hold on. What. What do you call. Yeah, the. The pilot fast roped on the mission.

[Drew]

Do they have an autopilot on those helicopters? I don't know about like a self.

[Brent]

Hovering baby comment section. Help me out. Am I, Am I misunderstanding this? The pilot is the only person to fast rope on the mission. Was he clearing with you? What? He just. He was like, I'm out. Co pilot. Take it from here. I'm fast roping with the boys.

[Andy Stumpf]

I don't.

[Brent]

Okay, all right.

[Drew]

But again. But again. Another distracting element that is said to just not talk about what Andy's asking. Andy even said, let's skip the garden. Are you talking about the flight? The. The plane that went down? How they fast forward back to the plane?

[Brent]

No, go ahead, go ahead. It gets worse from here.

[Drew]

How is that possible?

[Rob O'Neill]

Sounded like he'd go out there.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Nickel.

[Brent]

When I. Dude.

[Rob O'Neill]

When I walked in. Well after we had a failed breach on the northeast corner because it was a double door. But, but breacher put 7 foot C6. Gonna open it. Blasted it. Brick wall. But that's good.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

No one puts a fake door. So he's in.

[Andy Stumpf]

I was gonna say that is an interesting indicator.

[Rob O'Neill]

That's. That's a. That's learning by failure.

[Brent]

Yes.

[Rob O'Neill]

Because I think there was even a conversation fail. Breaches is bad. It's like, no, this is good. That's a fake door. No one does that. He's definitely in there. But now we. Because we. We were put on the outside because the. The helicopter pilot saw the first one go down. And we. My team was supposed to go to the roof, but then he came down to get out and I had so me piss bottle in pockets. I remember stepping my right foot out looking at Bin Laden's house thinking, well, I guess we start the war from here. No problem. I mean the. We didn't need the preparation. We've been doing CQB forever, but since we knew the exterior, I know goddamn well we can hit that one fail, whatever. And I heard something about dash one going around round. They were saying, dash one going down.

[Brent]

Oh.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I don't want to get too much into the tactics, obviously, but I mean, this.

[Rob O'Neill]

This part of the story is cool because we're going to. We came over the radio saying carport, and same guy. Unclear. The garden said to one of the snipers, the sniper silent. He goes. Silence is going. It's kind of one of those fun conversations.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Also, the C7s are not quiet.

[Brent]

No.

[Rob O'Neill]

Then, though, we have blasted. No, it was open. So they opened it and, you know, thumb came out. And it's like. And I remember thinking, I don't know why they're. That doesn't matter. They just are. And that's important in life. It doesn't.

[Andy Stumpf]

Something doesn't matter why.

[Brent]

I just want to. I know it was fast forwarding. I hope you guys caught it. But one of the things he said is he was told to clear the garden. He's like, oh, no, I can clear that garden again. Robin Hill's the smartest guy on this mission. I don't think his boss told him to clear a garden that was visually cleared. It just sounds like a good story. The sniper coming on and telling people to be quiet and like, well, we've already gone louder than around. And Andy's like. He's. Without saying it directly. He's like, well, that doesn't make sense. Like, everything's been pretty loud to this point. And even agrees. He's like, yeah, I just. It's good storytelling. I just don't think it happened. But keep going. It gets better from here.

[Andy Stumpf]

About that later.

[Rob O'Neill]

Later in the debrief. So.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I remember plant was the initial plan. Just. I'm trying to get a better understanding of how you guys plan this. And again, I don't want to go into the. The tactics of how anybody clears anything. But were you guys planning on slow mechanical movement?

[Rob O'Neill]

No, Fast. Because we had it out. We had 13 minutes on station.

[Drew]

Really.

[Rob O'Neill]

I mean, we could refueled with some of the.

[Brent]

Yeah. No.

[Rob O'Neill]

We were gonna drop off snipers, machine gun Cairo, Cheese and then interpreter. I still have the fun guys. So we gotta fluent Urdu. Then we were gonna go to the rooftop. Fast rope. And then we had a system rig. Ratchet hopped out, put the rope around his back, and then fast rope onto the balcony. We're gonna shoot through the wind. And then the first team is Gonna fast rope, take the guest out, come in and hit him out.

[Andy Stumpf]

The classic Oreos, right? The delicious center is not as delicious for those on the inside.

[Rob O'Neill]

It's hot in the delicious center. But then they crash landed. And so we're out here. The pilots on them put us out. They thumb comes out now, they're already clear. And that was cool for me because it turns out I got a front roof to watch this. And I'm literally taking snapshots in my mind because this house is gonna blow up and we're gonna die, and I gotta remember. And the whole process, people say, all right, why are you scared? It's like, what an ending. I'm with my boys, man. These are my. I went through that again with my friends.

[Andy Stumpf]

Was there intel that it was rigged or just the assumption based off of the high.

[Rob O'Neill]

No, intel. It was assumed.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Which is not a bad assumption.

[Brent]

No, I mean.

[Rob O'Neill]

But again, looking back, though, the only one that really martyred himself was the Khalif.

[Andy Stumpf]

Was he the dude in the outbuilding?

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah. Wasn't that. What's his name, Almazri? The Khalif from isis. He blew himself up, but other guys like bin Laden didn't. It's like, I called it the. They get more heaven if they recruit guys to go blow themselves up. It's. I call that Amway for Allah. Yeah, but. So he didn't blow himself up, but we thought he would. So when we go in, though, there. There's a. The crew went over to the guest house. That was business crew. So him and the guy from Blue Blue squatter over there.

[Andy Stumpf]

How much time would you say is elapsed in this? I mean, it's easy. Like two minutes maybe.

[Brent]

All right, I'll pause it for a second. Yeah. I asked the. The comments people, Rob, it's all about the fast rope. Rob was talking about his bird, and his bird ended up landing. It was supposed to go to the. It just apparently what is what he's talking about. The only guy to fast rope on that mission was the pilot. He. He just didn't do a good job of explaining it. They're saying it was the. The crashed helicopter guy said that he ended up fast roping out of the crashed helicopter.

[Drew]

And Matt Bissette said the helicopter was at an angle like this, so it would be off the ground a little bit.

[Brent]

But he didn't. He didn't. He didn't do a good job of kind of delineating which helicopter he's talking about because he was talking about his helicopter going to the roof. And I have no problem correcting the record.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And it's, it's. I knew, I knew the comment section would, would keep me honest. And I, and I got, I got no problem with that.

[Drew]

That's true.

[Brent]

All right. Just wanted to. One wanted to make that, that. Just want to point that out. Let's go.

[Rob O'Neill]

Got to me as I went to the front, there's a window going into one of the bedrooms and one of my guys, really close friends had taken shots, but the woman jumped on him and she killed her too. And I remember him saying something along the lines of I just killed the woman. Is. Are we something online so we're going to be in trouble or is this bad?

[Brent]

Positive. And I remember again the storytelling that. No, that there's. There was not an operator on the mission of his life worried about a female that hopped on top of a bad guy and, and he shot them both. It's just him. And again, this is his point. He wants to bring up the fact that lawyers are the bad guys. But what they've already picked the best of the best for this mission. Those guys that, those guys know how to kill. They know who they can kill and they're not worried about getting in trouble. About getting in trouble. Yeah, he, he knows that was a good shot and he's moving on like a dog on the hunt to continue to, to the next opportunity.

[Rob O'Neill]

Right.

[Brent]

That's just, that's, that's just crazy. But, but again it. Rob. It's just another thing that makes Seal Team 6 look bad. Like an operator. Doesn't he worries about lawyers on the objective. No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. Keep going that later.

[Rob O'Neill]

See, that's what I remember thinking. Like how up are our lawyers and our rules of engagement that we're on the bin Laden radio Tier one operators are wondering if they're going to jail.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Because I mean actually after they leave the barrel, if you're going to jail or not, is that, that's going to sort itself later on.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

You got to work your way through the problem. Yeah. Not advocating shooting women anybody. I'm just saying in the moment you need to complete. Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And it wasn't like he was shocked. It just, it was brought up.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

But then other guys went in. So now it's a long hallway and there's doors off to the side. So I go in there and hallway. I get out of the hallway. Dude. From the other bird in there. And that's what he said. Something he said helicopter crash. He Said something like, well, ours did. Like you walk across it and I remember watching dudes just being proud of them. And what did it look like on the inside? Standard house in Iraq.

[Andy Stumpf]

No indication of the stuff that you were looking for?

[Rob O'Neill]

Nope, not till the second deck.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay, so at the first decks. Okay, at the first deck, were you thinking like, oh, damn, maybe there is less risk?

[Rob O'Neill]

When I. Yeah, I stopped. I didn't charge.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And then I remember watching guys go through breaching problems. I remember one dude in particular, you know, my own say his name in public, watching him go. I mean's house. Looking down the hallways, barricaded door, get to stairware. The antelic told us would be there and Khalid will be there. Like. And I'm watching this dude now going through the problems. I've watched him work at Seal Team 2 when I was with him through making charges, coming up with tactics. You know, check the door, kicked the door, Cooley sleds.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I was working.

[Rob O'Neill]

And I'm put the charging blast. I'm so fucking proud of this dude. And working that without like. I remember that stupid thing for wars. I'm like, this is a Navy crush. I'm watching. This is history. Probably dudes. Bam. It's open. Now we go. So I'm like eight dudes back. And we're at that stairwell. I saw it go down, but not as Some people were closer to it, but it was worth the point. Nine whispered to Clean. And I heard him up the stairs. Yeah, because she said, you will run the Cleveland line and he will be armed and he will be his last line of defense. And she was supposed to be the one in the family line. I think it's a shit earlier. Sorry about that. She said you were on the Cleveland line. He's like 20 years old. He's his last line of defense. And if you want a shot, if you can ace him, you'll get a shot at the big guy who's way she is so interesting way to this point. He says he's eight guys normally in an urban environment. I'm like, I'm gonna back up. I'm gonna back up. But I'm like, we're gonna die anyway. I gotta see what they do. Because we're very good at being quiet. Now that yelling shit. Now they're clear. Fair.

[Andy Stumpf]

That's what I meant.

[Rob O'Neill]

Like so.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I don't.

[Brent]

Oh my gosh.

[Andy Stumpf]

People understand how surgery, those elements keep going.

[Drew]

They're very good at being quiet. But the way he tells a story, there's a Lot of radio chatter.

[Brent]

Yeah. Well, yeah, it's. And it does.

[Andy Stumpf]

There's no yelling. There's no running unless you need to. It's body language.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

You can tell that person is doing.

[Rob O'Neill]

This way because they're oriented.

[Andy Stumpf]

And also, you know who your friends are through the way their shadows move.

[Rob O'Neill]

I can't. I can't get people to understand. You can tell they are. The way they walk.

[Andy Stumpf]

Oh, 100% from the distance.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Or the way they carry their gun or the way that they are.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Brent]

It's.

[Andy Stumpf]

You know.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And at that level, too. That's nothing. The CQB at the C56 level is just different. When there's two trains up the stairs.

[Andy Stumpf]

Was it wide enough for it?

[Rob O'Neill]

There was nine.

[Brent]

Here we go. Just getting to a suit to the.

[Andy Stumpf]

To the teacher.

[Brent]

No.

[Rob O'Neill]

So. So we on the second floor, the appointment said. I think he said, come here. Come here. In two different languages.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And Clee got confused, and boom, he blasted him. And I did. Step over Cleat.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And so we get over, and I was like, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. I. I wouldn't have thought of that. I would have tried to pin the bottom or something, or give him a fake and gone high.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I don't know.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Betty killed him. Was awesome. And then we get to the second floor, and that's when. Dude split up. So.

[Andy Stumpf]

So does the staircase continue?

[Rob O'Neill]

Staircase was kind of up. Okay. Straight. So. Because the. When I'm back here, point man goes here, shoots everyone splits. And then I. And I've been asked, why didn't he follow his shots? Well, because that's another level. That's the third floor, and he's by himself. And if you. If you take a shot and follow.

[Brent]

Up here, he's about to go to the third floor. And I just want to point out a few things. He's just saying. He's saying they're. They're clearing fast. He. He. He already mentioned that. Not necessarily hostage rescue speed. He said they'll. They'll pie off real quick and. And go. In his words, this is important to build this. They didn't get spread out yet because they couldn't get out of the first floor. Usually if. If you could get right to the second floor, that initial team kind of can push up while the first team is. Is. Is clearing the first floor. But there was no separation because there was a door problem that they had to solve. So the. So when they move up to the second floor, which is a little Unusual, but I'm not saying, like, it's the. It's not true. It's. It's unusual that you get to move up to the whole floor with everybody because normally some separation starts.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Brent]

But that doesn't happen here because of the, the door. So all 22 assaulters move to the second floor together. So what he says, now we're, now we're going to go to the. What he says in the truth, we got to live in these two different worlds. What he says is everyone starts clearing, and it takes them so long to clear that they have to go. And there's no one else. There's no one else coming up. Well, I said there's 22 people on the mission. I might be off by one, but I think it's 22. There are two of them. So that means there's 20 guys inside that house. There's more than enough guys to clear the second floor and go up to the third floor at the same time. So that's just according to his story. But the true story is everyone knew that they, that Osama was on the third floor. And, and when, when they hit Khalid on the second floor and they started feeling. When they saw the door that was, that was barricaded going up, they started realizing, this is it. Like, this is. Actually, we thought, we hoped this was it, but once they get declaring, they know. They're like, this is it. So what really happened was a guy was pulling security on the second floor and everybody ran to the third floor because they were trying to. They were trying to be the guy like they, they were trying to. They were getting, trying to get to Osama as fast as possible. So there's. But even if you take his story to be true, it still doesn't make sense because he'd have had so many assaulters with this story of, I'm waiting, I'm waiting, I want one, I want to. We want more. We see people, we want to go. You wouldn't have been waiting. You. There would have been people right there with you. And that's just again, picking apart your. Your lie. The truth is everybody beelined it to the third floor. But, yeah, let's keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah, I mean, you can, but I'd wait. I'd give it a pause.

[Andy Stumpf]

Unless there was an incredibly compelling reason to do so.

[Rob O'Neill]

Taking a shot at what you think you see behind a curtain and it moves is not a compelling reason to do one man entry on a third floor.

[Andy Stumpf]

I would agree. Especially if you were to trigger something that could have Consequences for everybody else.

[Rob O'Neill]

Because plus, if he goes up there, gets hit, now we got a wounded man. We're not up there.

[Andy Stumpf]

So he basic. So you're basically. He raps and he's holding down the third.

[Rob O'Neill]

It wasn't a rap. It was more turn on to it. So here. And he shoots, and then I'm behind him. I came up as two men mount.

[Andy Stumpf]

And at this point, the second deck is being.

[Rob O'Neill]

It's being cleared and there's offices. I remember the. I. I don't think I ever made entry late. I. Later I came back down. I didn't go left. I went to the right later. Yeah, but now we're down to two. And it's a. I mean, where's the other train?

[Andy Stumpf]

What did you mean by that?

[Rob O'Neill]

So they're clearing.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. So the train, the majority of the bodies are sweeping through the second.

[Rob O'Neill]

They're just going to second. Then we're going to make entry. But he took a shot and he could see movement. There was a curtain there, and it almost looked like a military blanket, a green blanket, but a shower curtain. And that's what we can sort of see back. I don't know how it was backlit, but he could see people moving.

[Andy Stumpf]

But did it just open to a large room?

[Rob O'Neill]

I kind of went to the bedroom off to the side when we went up and in. And he was just saying he didn't know it was me, but he knew this guy.

[Brent]

I've. I've covered this before, but I'll cover for you guys if. If you guys didn't watch the. The episode that I did with my last podcast. I've talked to guys that were there. This mythical curtain that's at. That's separating the stairwell from. From the rest of the third floor. Hey, let me tell you, I've seen some weird things overseas, but I'm just telling you, I've never seen a curtain at the top of a stairwell. That's just a really weird place to put a curtain. Okay. And so it was so odd. It made me want to ask those guys, and they're like, no, there's. There is no curtain. So. But now we have to live in his lie. And he even kind of tells himself a little bit. If there is a curtain that's a blanket, like a blanket that's being used for a curtain. And they launch on a low loom night, and none of the lights are on in the house, and they've said it was a completely dark night. How do you see bodies moving behind a blanket? And he Even said, he goes, it was backlit. I don't know how. Well, yeah, you don't know how because it wasn't. Again, now we live in a pretended world. One, the curtain wasn't there. Two, if the curtain was there, you couldn't see behind it, or else it'd be a really bad curtain. And so he says he sees movement, and the point man, Red, takes a shot. He take. If you can't see behind a curtain, what are you taking a shot at? Right? Let me tell you, if a tier one operator takes a shot, he hits. Yeah, he hits. Let me tell you. So this is just something else that. But he needs it for the narrative. He needs it for a narrative to explain why Red took a shot, why they needed to go up and go up right now because they couldn't see it again. It's just needless information that actually works against them and not for him.

[Drew]

Well, for, you know, my two cents is just a guy listening. This. This is very different than listening to Matt Bissnet on Sean Ryan. When you listen to Matt talk, it's step by step. It's very clear, it's detailed, It's. You can almost envision yourself being there when he tells the story. It's so clear. I can barely follow this guy. He talks about. Now there's only two of us, and.

[Brent]

But it's entertaining.

[Drew]

And, you know, now there's only two of us to who. And then he uses a lot of. And he did this, and. And I saw him and. You don't know. I don't. I can't follow this guy's story very well. Maybe I'm just stupid. That's also happens, too. But when I listen to Matt tell his story, I can envision it. But with this, it's so all over.

[Brent]

The place because it's really. Because Matt tells the truth. And Matt meant when. So when. When you tell the truth and you tell the truth step by step, it all makes sense.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

The things he talks about doesn't make sense.

[Andy Stumpf]

Now.

[Brent]

He tells it in an entertaining way. I'll give him that. But as. But for tracking a story, it is. It is difficult. Let's keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

Him positive, whatever. And I'm not guiding him. He knows. He knows I've been to war with this guy a lot. He'd already shot. I'm here. And he's like, we got to go. And I'm like, all right. And I can see it right now. And it. On my part, it definitely was not bravery. It was. This is where we Run. And he's gonna blow himself up. Okay. And I'm gonna feel. I mean, it's like I'm gonna feel. I'm tired of thinking about it though. Let's do this. So we did it. And he goes up the stairs. And he moved it. And the girls are right there. His. His. His daughters. And they're suicide bombers. Gotta be. Right. So he moved him. There's been lots down there. A mile's right in front of him.

[Andy Stumpf]

How much time did you guys have up there with just the two of you?

[Rob O'Neill]

It. Seconds. If that. Because as we enter. I shoot him. It was enough time to see his tongue come out. And I hit. His head was up. And I saw his son Hussein. Two. And. And the humanity of it came through. It's like this kid has nothing to do with this.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Move them back. And I turn in their hair. Okay. So. Okay.

[Drew]

He skipped the wife part.

[Brent]

Hold on. And that's okay. I won't. That's a. It's a small detail. If you don't expect them to tell it. Yeah. Word for word.

[Drew]

Neither do I. Yeah.

[Brent]

But he just said it takes the other team seconds to come in. Now. I think he. I just. I do. It's my opinion. I think he omits this for a reason. But he doesn't go into detail the way he did in other ones where he's already shot him in the head three times. This is important. We're getting to it. Keep going. He's already shot him in the head three times. He says he's moved the. The wife to the bed already. And within a matter of seconds the other team is already in here. Keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

And now it's two trains. And this is a. This. This is not chaos. But this is now an extremely dynamic room. Two trains have entered. And it got to the point when we. Because one of the most dangerous things in CQB ship takedowns. Parallel trains.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

And then you can clear back. But if you clear forward. What. And we got to. I mean, we're doing everything. This is in training. We're doing everything from chem lights under the door to you knock. Is it safe for.

[Brent]

But.

[Rob O'Neill]

And it came down to. All right, don't worry about pointing your gun at someone even if you're on fire. The new rule. Don't shoot someone who looks like you. So we're super good rule. It's so simple.

[Brent]

Again, it's a great story. But you're telling me that SEAL Team 6 had to have a come to Jesus and be like, hey, we have to stop shooting each other. That's. I, I think, I think, I think they're really good at knowing who to shoot and who and who not to shoot.

[Drew]

Yeah, they're the guys with nods on their head.

[Brent]

Right.

[Drew]

But you look a lot different than everybody else.

[Brent]

So, Rob, you can't. Again, you can't have it both ways. You're either the best in the world or, or you didn't deserve to be on the mission. Well, you guys did deserve to be on the mission because you guys are the best in the world along with Delta Force. And, and now you're having to tell. I've never had to look at another Delta Force operator and be like, hey, just so you know, don't. Don't shoot the guys that look like you. It's just insane. Keep, keep going. He doesn't understand what he's doing to his teammates. He doesn't.

[Drew]

Yeah, civilians will eat this up. But guys who know, instead of the.

[Rob O'Neill]

The barrel waving the cliff, just don't shoot him. Like, oh, my bad.

[Andy Stumpf]

Don't shoot the person that looks like a spaceman.

[Rob O'Neill]

But, but now. So I just killed bin Laden right here. Yeah, moved them all who'd been hit here. The other train comes in. Now guys are shooting bin Laden. I need to go get a picture. I pour water on his face. Someone point blank shoots him in front of me and I go, what the was that?

[Brent]

This is important.

[Rob O'Neill]

We gotta identify this guys.

[Brent]

And he says, what the is that? We have to identify this guy. Okay, this, this may be one of the most pivotal things this whole time, and I'm so glad you guys stuck around for how important this is. Okay.

[Rob O'Neill]

Now I ask people, there's.

[Brent]

Hold on.

[Rob O'Neill]

I've never told that.

[Brent]

I'm. I got a lot to talk about real quick.

[Drew]

My bad, brother.

[Brent]

Yeah, no, no, you're good, you're good. Bring it to me. Thank you. The. So now he says other people came in the room and shot and he is now like pouring water on his face because they want to identify him. And he, now he says a guy, a camera, just. Yeah, there's. People are getting cameras. It's dark. So it means, you know, you have to white light it to, to, to see what's going on. He's trying to pour his face. This is absolutely crazy. And let me tell you guys why. And again, I'm, I don't be high and mighty, but if you've never done the job, like, you don't know how ridiculous this statement is. And once I explain it to you, you can be like, oh, my gosh, he's absolutely right. This isn't the last room of the house. This is not the last room in the house. There's more rooms in this house. And. And he's the first peop. According to him, he's the first ones up in this room. He shoots someone, and then he starts going into pid. He starts going into. Essentially, SSE is as. As we call it. No, you don't. You don't start pouring water on faces. You don't start getting out the cameras until that target is secure. When it's secure, you come back and do that. And I know it's not secure yet, because according, according to him, people are still coming in ready to shoot, which means they're still clearing. Right, Rob? And everyone who just. Everyone who just heard this knows better. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. You did. The 82nd wouldn't do that. A regular SEAL team wouldn't do that. An ODA wouldn't do that. The Delta Force has never done that. And Seal Team 6 sure as hell has never stopped in the middle of clearing to start trying to PID people. It's. It's. It's absolutely insanity. And he thinks that his story will. Will be believable by other people because they don't know better, but absolutely, they know better. And let me. And. And here's what's even more important. So now you're basically saying SEAL Team six doesn't know when. When to clear and when not to clear. And the other thing is, he's saying is he's literally pouring water on his face. And another Tier One operator came in and blasted him in the face with another clearly American person kneeling over him.

[Drew]

You just made your brothers in arms sound like idiots.

[Brent]

Absolute idiots. And if that really happened, oh, I would be upset. But remember when I said, hey, put a pin in that. They have. They picked their most senior people to come on this.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

If that were to happen, that's something a very junior person does. There's no junior people on this. They know exact. They know exactly when to keep clearing. They know exactly when to start taking pictures. They know exactly when they can shoot someone and when they shouldn't. When there's a teammate literally right beside him pouring water on his face. Yeah. Would never happen.

[Drew]

No.

[Brent]

Would absolutely never. And. Because it didn't happen. But this is. This is him trying to continue to say, this is why the debrief wasn't honest. This is why we had to lie during the.

[Drew]

This Was the true story. I can. I can see why they'd have to lie, but. No, that's not how it goes.

[Brent]

Well, lie. They would. They would have to lie of some sorts, but lie through a mission, through omission. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. There is nothing. This story is so clean if you just don't even include that part. And by the way, they didn't include the guy who made this shot. Again, only him and Red made up this new miraculous story. So no one else even knows to tell this story. Right. It's absolutely asinine. Yeah. And he thinks he's slowly working his way out of it, and what he's doing is actually burying himself. Thank you so much, Andy, for letting him talk and letting him. Come on. Yeah, that's absolutely ridiculous. In fact, let's compare it real quick. Let's go over to the. So that's how it didn't happen. And I know that's not how it happened, because that's not how targets go. When I hear a story and I'm like, yep, that's. That's how targets go. It's easy. Let's go to the next video. And in contrast to the next video, not. Yes, yes, no, no, no. Yep. That one.

[Rob O'Neill]

The stairs. Is there a lot of action? How's it unfolding?

[Brent]

So this is.

[Matt Bissonnette]

You know, movies make it out to be, you know, loud and crazy, and everybody's yelling. This is what we do. We're really good at it. And so it's quiet, calm, like we've done it a million times before. We have a saying, you know, don't. Don't run to your death. Fast forward just a little nice and slow.

[Rob O'Neill]

Upstairs. Khalid is dead on this landing. The point man is stepping past Khalid. And now you're number two in stack. You're right behind the point man.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yep. Trying to look around him, hear him take a couple shots, Kind of see ahead. Somebody disappeared back into the room.

[Rob O'Neill]

The point man had seen some.

[Brent]

So he. And again, just. Just to show you guys a contrast, Matt Bissette was also on the mission. Matt Bissonnet is. Did you hear him mention a curtain? Nope. Nope. He said someone pokes his head out of a room. Could you see someone poking their head out of a room if a curtain was there?

[Drew]

No, not unless they're poking their head out of the curtain.

[Brent]

Out of the curtain. But no, he's poking his head out of the room. He says the point man takes a shot. Let's keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

Stick his head out a door and shot him just the Way he'd shot Khalid.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yep.

[Rob O'Neill]

What did you do then?

[Brent]

Okay. And shot him just the way he shot Khalid. So let's see if this makes sense. The guy who just shot Khalid, who clearly can make shots. And as a tier one operator. Now, the next time he sees someone, he takes a shot and he hits him again. You think that's a little more believable as well?

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

All right, It. It checks out to me. Let's keep going.

[Matt Bissonnette]

The room I could see a body laying on the ground over him was. Was two females real close to the door. They looked up and saw the. Saw the point man. He steps in to the room, literally rushes the two women, grabs one under each arm and pushes them back. They did have a suicide vest on. And they did blow themselves up. That they wouldn't. That. That wouldn't affect the rest of the.

[Rob O'Neill]

Guys, but it would have killed him.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

You stepped into the room and saw the man lying on the floor. What did you do?

[Matt Bissonnette]

As the two man, Myself and the. The next assaulter in. And the three men engaged him several more times and then rolled off and then continued clearing the room.

[Rob O'Neill]

Engaged him? What do you mean?

[Brent]

He just said what? Again, Sounds normal. Because I said what would normally happen in the two and the three? You would have plenty of assaulters. Even in the. Even in the made up store, you'd have plenty of assaulters. But in the truth, that they all ran to the third floor, that you'd have plenty of salters. Red takes the shot. Red goes in. Matt Bissonnette goes in. He says a third guy goes in. He's not talking about two different trains. He's talking about people going following each other in. Yeah. By the way. Just the way Amal bin Laden also said it happened. And he says, we took shots and then we all left the room. You know why they left the room? Building wasn't clear because the building wasn't clear. So that story makes sense to me because that's how it happens. But again, in Rob's story, he takes a shot and he just stops what he's doing and whips out cameras and water bottles while other people are still clearing.

[Drew]

He might be telling a story like a squirrel and he's just skipping all that other stuff and then jump into that. But why would people shoot?

[Brent]

Exactly. Why would people shoot? It gets better. Keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

Fired. You shot him.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

He's still moving a little bit, but.

[Matt Bissonnette]

You couldn't see his arms, couldn't see his hands. So he could have had something. Could add a hand Grenade or something underneath his chest.

[Rob O'Neill]

So after Osama bin Laden is wounded, he's still moving. You shot him twice?

[Matt Bissonnette]

A handful of times.

[Rob O'Neill]

A handful of times. And the seal in the stack behind you also shot Osama bin Laden. And at that point. Point, his body was still.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yes.

[Rob O'Neill]

Did you recognize it?

[Matt Bissonnette]

No.

[Brent]

What?

[Matt Bissonnette]

You know, everybody thinks it was like, hold on, you know, it's him.

[Brent]

Drew.

[Drew]

Yo.

[Brent]

What he just say? Did you recognize him? He goes, no. Yeah, and I've said that before. So Rob does recognize him and wants to get ahead of the. The PID and the SSE process again, which. Which isn't true. Matt Bissonnette says in his story, we shot him. We rolled out because we had to keep clearing, which is exactly how it happens. And then he goes, did you recognize him? He goes, nah, didn't recognize him because he's probably moving fast because he's just. People under. Under night vision at night, on the ground, already been shot in the head. There's no. You won't know who that guy is until the structure is cleared and you bring out the white lights and you. And you really start trying to figure it out. You don't know who it is when they're on the ground. Under night vision, you. You can't tell a guy is 6 foot, 6 four, however tall he was tall. But when you're. When you're curled up on the. On the ground, shot in the head, you. You don't know. You don't know these things.

[Drew]

So when you're looking through night vision, what color is people's beards?

[Brent]

Well, you can tell if it's a black beard, and you can tell if it's a gray beard.

[Rob O'Neill]

Okay.

[Brent]

And. And again, Matt Bissonnet knows that. That it's a black beard. He talks about it on. On the Sean Ryan Show. So anyway, I wanted to. I wanted to show a contrast over someone who tells the truth. And when I hear that story, everything about that story, I go, yes, that's how it happens. Yes, that's how it happens.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You don't see me stopping every. Every three seconds and saying, that's not how it happens. That's not how it happens.

[Drew]

Right.

[Brent]

Everything Matt Bissonnet said is how it happens. Let's go back. Let's go back to Rob and see how. See how he finishes off his. His story.

[Rob O'Neill]

And there's a little bit more that I will save for the Bible on the stand if that happens in front of you. Are you going to debrief that? Guys come in there, blasted me on one guy shoots him in the face in front of me. I'm not telling that story. We got it. We need to make this work.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

This is a bad situation.

[Brent]

Then you just. If that happened, you just admit it. But I've. I've already proved that. That why that could not or would.

[Drew]

Not how tier one operators operate, so.

[Brent]

It would not have happened. Keep going.

[Rob O'Neill]

Even breadcrumbs for this for 10 years now.

[Andy Stumpf]

It's a tough question, man. I'll be honest with you. I lean towards telling the truth.

[Rob O'Neill]

That is the truth.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, that's what I mean in the debrief though, too.

[Brent]

Don't get so.

[Rob O'Neill]

Because the reality at the time, it didn't matter. We're going to be best friends forever and no one needs to know this happened.

[Andy Stumpf]

It's still a lie, though.

[Rob O'Neill]

No, I didn't tell it either.

[Brent]

Hold on. There's also L. You didn't tell it. So only you and Red know the story because only you two went and. And talked about this. So Red. Red told the whole lie and now you're blaming this. And now you're saying, of course he's about to get to and be like, well, it's something called omission by lying. But not only did the guy who killed Khalid killed Osama bin Laden in real life, he's. Now, not only are you saying he missed, he missed shots, now you're saying that he's a liar because it has to be Red telling the story. Because you're like, well, I didn't tell it. Well, then who told it? Well, it could only be the only other guy that he talked to, which is Red. So it's. I don't know how Red can stay quiet. He. Patience of job. Patience of job. Like, it's insane. And you know what's crazy? Remember when he said that he doesn't like tattletales? I was like, remember that? What would you call someone who decides to in secret make up a story and like, this is the story we're going with, and this is a story that we're gonna stick with because we're all best friends. And then you go on a podcast years later for what'll probably be millions to see, and then. And then reveal all of this. If it were. If it were true, would you consider that guy a tattletale?

[Drew]

Yep.

[Brent]

Rob hates saddle tales. And here he is tattletailing that his own story. He's tattletailing his own.

[Drew]

He's the tattletail in his own fabricated story.

[Brent]

That's the Irony. That's the crazy he's making up. He's being a tattletale in a made up, fabricated story. Yeah, it's you. Three times in the face. And, you know, I'm glad you brought that up. Remember when he's like, what? And I hate to. What the f. We have to ID this guy. Rob, according to your story, you just shot him in the face three times. This guy shot him in the face. And he wasn't mad that he took the shot and he was so close to him. Or else he. What he should have said was, hey, I'm right here.

[Drew]

Right?

[Brent]

What are you doing?

[Drew]

That wasn't what he implied.

[Brent]

And if that really happened, that's exactly what he would have said. But he says we have to PID this guy. Rob, you just shot him in the face three times, according to your story.

[Drew]

Exactly.

[Brent]

And two was why he was standing up. And the third one, according to your story, was while he was on the ground. That's an extra one. You weren't worried about PID then, but of course, now we're arguing about a.

[Drew]

Story that never happened.

[Brent]

It's.

[Drew]

We're Got us, Rob.

[Brent]

We're living. Yeah. It makes me feel crazy. I gotta live in this lie, that lie and the truth, and then argue between all three. Yeah, let's keep going.

[Andy Stumpf]

Omission.

[Rob O'Neill]

Whatever. It's a debrief. I didn't tell that part of the debrief. This is the truth.

[Andy Stumpf]

I understand that. What I'm saying is you knew that. What was. I don't.

[Drew]

What does he mean by that's not part of the debrief? And this is the truth because I.

[Brent]

Didn'T tell that part of the debrief. And this is the truth. He's basically saying, I didn't lie. Yeah, I came up with the lie with this other guy, which is crazy. He's like, I didn't lie? Well, you already said that you came up with this lie with the other guy, and now he's saying, but. Well, I'm not the liar. I helped make the lie. But I didn't tell the lie during the debrief, which, again, here we are arguing over something that never happened, and.

[Andy Stumpf]

The debrief wasn't the truth. And I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to assess blame. That's not what I'm trying to do. But you asked what would I do in that situation? And again, this is a hypothetical. Right? Fucking easy for me. Because we're sitting in. Oh, yeah, Kalispell, Montana, and I Don't have the pressure. You understand literally the global optic that is going to come from this. So I understand.

[Rob O'Neill]

No, you know what's crazy is not really the global. I mean, obviously eventually, like, eventually realize.

[Andy Stumpf]

This is going to be global news.

[Brent]

Let'S put it that way again, being in that he's telling everyone that he convinced a whole group of Navy Seals to lie or he convinced one other one and all of them went with this. You know what's kind of crazy about that? Andy Stump was in SEAL Team, SEAL Team Six. And when he tells this story to just one other SEAL Team 6 member and goes, well, what would you do? What does, what does the other SEAL Team 6 members say? I'd have told the truth. Yeah, I'd have told the truth. So in, in your fictional story, you have the whole, you have the whole troop willing to either lie verbally or lie by omission. But you, but when it comes to the real world and having another Seal Team 6 member across from you, you can't even convince that guy that lying is a good idea.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Let that sink in for a second.

[Drew]

Again, he, he puts a bad light on his, on his teammates on that night.

[Brent]

Sure does.

[Rob O'Neill]

Like everyone's special.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

So I don't really take credit. Yeah. Not credit. But you don't take, you don't appreciate how special. Like we were surprised as when we got back to the Seabees place in on Yahoo. You see Seal Team 6 kills Osama bin Laden. That was surprising.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

Would I do that differently now? Yeah, I would do it differently if I could go back and do the debrief differently. You goddamn right I would. And if you want this on tape, fine. But. And again, I wasn't talking.

[Brent]

It's okay. He wasn't talking.

[Rob O'Neill]

But the argument that I was four, man, I hope they play the debrief.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Rob O'Neill]

That, that blows me being the foreman completely out of the water.

[Andy Stumpf]

I don't want that. If you're saying you weren't the one talking, gives you the COVID I'm not.

[Rob O'Neill]

Trying to get cover. I was going to take that to my. No, this, it doesn't matter. This team got him.

[Andy Stumpf]

So going back to your question, though, I would have, I want to believe that I would have told the truth to include the guy walking up point blank. Because here's the reality. He shouldn't have done that in the first place.

[Rob O'Neill]

No, he should have.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I understand.

[Rob O'Neill]

But also I should, I should explain for being the guy that did it.

[Andy Stumpf]

I agree with you.

[Rob O'Neill]

I'm a lot Taller than the guy that did it.

[Brent]

Oh, we're talking about.

[Rob O'Neill]

You can tell people who are there by the shadows and their walk. You know goddamn well I did not canoe. But bin Laden.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, hold on, hold on.

[Brent]

You know that I didn't canoe. Bin Laden. That's absolutely. Goes against your whole story. You're saying your book was the truth. You're saying every podcast you did was the truth. You're upset that I said what you are saying happened never happened. And one of the things I said never happened was you and you alone took out Osama bin Laden and you and you alone didn't shoot him in the head three times. And now he's saying, and what canoeing is shooting someone in. In the head.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And he may not consider the first two shots as kill shots, as canoeing, but canoeing is usually referred to as taking an unnecessary shot into a dead body in the face.

[Rob O'Neill]

Okay.

[Brent]

The third shot, when he was dead and on the ground after taking two rounds. You absolutely canoed him. You sent three rounds to his face. And now he's saying, I didn't canoe the guy. You've been saying that you canoed the guy three times since the book.

[Drew]

Right. Because his wife is supposed to be standing in front of him and that's the only shot that he had.

[Brent]

It just. It gets. It gets better. I can. I'm telling you, I'm going to have to send Andy the biggest Christmas present in. In the world.

[Andy Stumpf]

I understand why not only somebody would do that, but also shoot his dead body after 20 years of sustained.

[Rob O'Neill]

Now, to be fair, there too. I don't have a problem with that. I just need to identify what I have a problem with. Is someone doing it. And then years later they say, that's what I did try and take credit for. That is not the case. I'm a fucking team leader. I just watched a guy who's not a team leader miss the shot of his life. I'm not going to put that in a debrief either.

[Brent]

Why.

[Rob O'Neill]

But why would. Why does that need to be historic when no one knows what happened in the room? And no one's.

[Andy Stumpf]

No one's should never be released.

[Brent]

Right.

[Rob O'Neill]

Fair enough.

[Andy Stumpf]

It should have never been released. So why not tell the truth and.

[Brent]

The AR hasn't been released.

[Rob O'Neill]

I wish I would have. No, I mean, this was.

[Andy Stumpf]

So. Let's say, let's hype. Let's spin this out, because I'm just curious.

[Brent]

Get it, Andy, what do you think.

[Andy Stumpf]

The reaction would have been from the military if in the Debrief, you had said then, yeah, this guy came up point blank when we were getting ready to take a picture, shot him in the face multiple times, and multiple team members shot, been laud and dead on the ground. Which I'm gonna be honest, too. I don't have a problem.

[Rob O'Neill]

I don't have a problem with it. Yeah, hold on.

[Brent]

You don't have a problem with it? You had such a problem with it that you said, what the f. We have to PID this guy.

[Rob O'Neill]

Right?

[Brent]

And now you're saying, well, I don't really have a problem with it. And again, it just. I have to go. I don't. I won't go back to the whole thing, but that. That it never happened. You didn't. People weren't still clearing when you decided to start doing PID on. On a guy. It's the insanity of it. If any, if any, Tier one guy. It doesn't have to be a tier one guy. Let me step back. If anyone, SWAT guy, anyone that's ever has any tactical knowledge and experience heard this story, they'd be like, that's. That's weird. It's not what Tier one and it's not what the best of the best do. The best of the best. Don't screw that up. Because no one in this business screws that up.

[Drew]

Right?

[Brent]

It's so bizarre that in his mind, he thought about all this. He calculated this before going into the interview, and he was like, yeah, this is going to work.

[Drew]

Lying gets you caught in your own snares.

[Rob O'Neill]

Worth for murder at war. I'm not taking that chance. With my best friends, I'm not taking a chance. Plus, no one's ever gonna know as long as we keep the story straight, which we did.

[Andy Stumpf]

Not at the JSOC level.

[Rob O'Neill]

You don't.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, don't you think we should be better than that?

[Rob O'Neill]

I also don't think we should have tattletales at a JSOC level.

[Drew]

You haven't kept the story straight in.

[Andy Stumpf]

This one interview about tattletales. If you tell the truth.

[Brent]

But you.

[Rob O'Neill]

You're being fair enough. Fine. But in a debrief like that, the. You've never told the commanding officer on the record exactly what went down. That's it.

[Andy Stumpf]

For clarity. I've never done a debrief like this where the commanding officer gave a. There's this level of operation you were on, and then, like, under the table.

[Rob O'Neill]

This entire team knows exactly what happened. There was no question when they hit record.

[Drew]

Wait. The entire team knows exactly what happened? I thought they didn't. They didn't. Oh, you got me on that one, Drew.

[Brent]

Hold on, Drew. You got me on that one. Nice. The youth pastor gets one.

[Drew]

Oh, my goodness.

[Rob O'Neill]

There was no question when we were all standing around Bin Laden's body with Admiral McRaven there and Zero One there and everyone there, the guy that cleared the garden there. There was no question. And then we recorded the debrief like.

[Brent]

We do, and he's having a hard time digesting all this.

[Drew]

It's impossible. Today's episode is brought to you by David.

[Andy Stumpf]

That much information in protein bars. There's two different type of bars I'm.

[Brent]

Going to talk about today. First, there is the gold there, which.

[Andy Stumpf]

Is actually in this gold wrapping. I have these in the studio. These are my go to right after Jiu Jitsu in between.

[Brent]

No, no. Yeah, we can do it that way.

[Andy Stumpf]

The biggest problem is.

[Rob O'Neill]

Well, there's no problem. I'm telling you what happens.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, no, I'm not saying a problem with you. What it. What this can be construed as is that we lied before, but now I need you to believe us because we're telling the truth.

[Drew]

There it is.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I don't. And that leads into the bigger question.

[Rob O'Neill]

No, no, it's. It's. I've. I've told the same story every time.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, no, I'm not talking about your particular story.

[Brent]

Like, the guy just always is so defensive. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. I've never lied. I told the same story the whole time. He's not talking about that, Rob. He's talking about what he's been talking about this whole time is lying on the debrief. But he's so. It's. I say it all the time. It's like when your kid gets so defensive about something, when. When my little boy gets really, really defensive about something, I already know he did it.

[Drew]

Right.

[Brent]

Yeah, he's so defensive. Keep. Keep going.

[Andy Stumpf]

I'm not talking about your particular story again. I'm talking about the legitimacy again debrief, which is what things like McRaven is going to make his decisions based off of or information. You know what I mean? Like, man, you know, this story is at.

[Rob O'Neill]

In the Navy SEAL Museum in San Diego on, like, it's a. It's a display. This exact story. And it was actually cool because McRaven's voice, he.

[Brent]

He real quick. That's. I mean, we've. We've gone through the rest of it. I don't. I don't. I really Want to go through the. The third floor on it? Let's. This is what we're gonna do. I got. In fact, we'll end it on this video real quick. We'll. We'll take a quick break, and then we'll take super chats, and we'll really talk this thing out with the. With. With the viewers. I know you guys have been waiting patiently, and we will get to them. Drew, I'm. Let's. Let's go back to the. The videos. As much as we. We've bashed Rob o'. Neill. I don't. I don't want to say bash. I don't think that's the right word. As much as we've critiqued Rob o'. Neill. You know what? Rob, he's gotten better. He's actually gotten a lot better with. With his. With his. With his lie, because this is. This was him when he wasn't so polished. Let's. Let's see how he. How he used to handle this stories.

[Rob O'Neill]

If they're. If they're doing good work for people and no one's in danger, then they should be able to write books.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I think it's also been written that it was the point man who shot him first.

[Rob O'Neill]

I mean, I can. I don't know if the point man didn't shoot when I was there and when I got there. I mean, I can tell you what I saw when we went up the stairs, the point man jumped onto.

[Brent]

He.

[Rob O'Neill]

They did say he took a shot up the stairs. When I saw bin Laden, he was not hit, and he was standing on two feet. And so I've got to assume I shot them. Shot him the. First. First two, three times.

[Drew]

I have to assume I shot him.

[Brent]

Hold on.

[Drew]

That is weird language.

[Brent]

Hold on. Give me a second. I could. I could do this for days.

[Drew]

I have to assume I shot him.

[Brent]

That's just. That's just the. The best one. What did he just say? Right. There he goes. I. He didn't shoot him. He didn't take a shot while I was there. Didn't he just say that?

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

Didn't he just say years later that he took a shot because there were people moving behind what was a mythical curtain? Didn't he just say that he was certain. Yeah. That Red took a shot. That the point man took a shot?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Brent]

What he just said in this interview. I know, and I have to rehash it, because you may not have caught it between all the bumblings and the. And the. And the maybes. Yeah. I mean, that that was. I've never seen. I've never seen a guy so unprepared for a question in his. In his life. He said he didn't take a shot while I was there. And then, well, he. He. I heard he took. He took a shot. And if people wonder why there are people out there like, well, he tells a different story. And there's other people like, oh, he tells the same story all the time. No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. You don't forget if the guy in front of you took a shot. Yeah, and. But. But. And. And here's what's worse. This is. This was years ago when the. When the mission was fresh on his mind, right? He says, no, he didn't take a shot while I was there. And then 10 years later, he knows for a fact that he took a shot while. While he was there. It's just crazy. I could watch that clip over and over. It makes me laugh every time. All right, let's take a quick break, and then let's get the super chats. Something tells me you guys have some really good questions and insights that maybe we missed. We are more than makers of steel. We are brothers in craft, bound by purpose and forged in pride.

[Rob O'Neill]

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[Brent]

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[Rob O'Neill]

Revenge is an act of passion.

[Brent]

Vengeance is an act of justice. Injuries are revenged. Crimes are avenged. Almost a century ago, big pharmaceutical companies.

[Rob O'Neill]

Re engineered medical school curriculum and faculty with one goal.

[Brent]

Putting profit before progress.

[Rob O'Neill]

Anyone pushing back against the medical matrix.

[Brent]

They carefully crafted was threatened. Silenced, censored, financially ruined, or worse. They are the problem. We are the solution.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Alpha, you're clear to engage with weapons.

[Brent]

You're clear to engage with weapons.

[Drew]

And we're back.

[Brent]

All right, we are back. Let's get the Super Chats. Something tells me the Super Chat's gonna be especially good tonight.

[Drew]

All right, right wing nut says Brent, Drew, y' all are the best. Grateful for y'.

[Brent]

All.

[Drew]

Grateful for you, brother. Thank you for the love. Neil's locum. Can we call Flashbangs? Minnesotan hand warmers? Glaucoma says, why now? What would make him admit it now? The timing of Rob exposing his own lie. Especially when it hurts his suit and his reputation. It's a good question.

[Brent]

Absolutely.

[Drew]

David Hookstead and the host.

[Brent]

Oh, David.

[Drew]

Brent, stop drinking Michelob and start drinking Coors Banquet or Miller Light.

[Brent]

You know what? You know, I love. I've been watching Landman. It's been. It's been a. It's been an awesome series to watch. I don't know how much Mick Ultra paid to. To get their product in there, but everybody's drinking Mick Ultra in that. So maybe. Maybe if you watch some Landman, it'll. It'll. It'll make Mick Ultra look cooler to you.

[Drew]

Chipperton says. Anyone else notice when something is off about someone? Like how Rob wore a cross on this interview when? I have never seen him wear a cross. People pick up on these things subconsciously. Still a hero. All right, the Prussian to r. To reiterate my super chat on the first go round because we were canceled because of the intro video. Thank you, YouTube. Add this to my donation to Rob's MH Therapy. Also now, $110 for Night Stalkers by Megadeth for the end song. Yeah, he gave in the last chat.

[Brent]

Okay, how much for nights?

[Drew]

110 for night stalkers by Megadeth, if we have time.

[Brent]

I'm.

[Drew]

I got pictures of the old super chats. I'll try to get them. Conan the librarian.

[Rob O'Neill]

Nice name.

[Drew]

50 bucks. That's all he wanted. He wanted us to know. Conan the Librarian. I love it. Thank you for the love, Sergeant Will. Well, dang, Brent. You are so evil and vile towards Rob. Dial it up 10 times. Maybe he will feel it then. Holy fook. Says resending on New Life. What up with the knuckle tats? Real or temp? What's the story? Lose a bet?

[Brent]

No, I did not lose a bet.

[Drew]

Give us two fists at the video. At the camera, Brent. Gosh, they want to see him. There it Is stay calm. We had to do that today.

[Brent]

That was a belated Christmas present from. From Devin.

[Drew]

They look cool.

[Brent]

I like them. She likes them.

[Drew]

Just another thank you for the gift, man. We really appreciate it. Holy fook. Back in. Says resending. You think Rob will take a lie detector? Are you willing to administer tactical questioning, AKA interrogation, AKA waterboarding, to get the truth?

[Brent]

The guy went through buds. I don't think waterboarding's.

[Rob O'Neill]

No, he's.

[Drew]

He's still tough. Holy fook. Drew the island of. Oh, man. He's gonna make me say that word again. Come on.

[Rob O'Neill]

Holy.

[Drew]

You know, I don't know how to say that. Cowie. I don't know. In Hawaii is pronounced. There it is. He's already bringing it up. That's not helping me. Holy fuk. I'm sorry. K. Ye. Ki. Just saying.

[Brent]

Just send it and go.

[Drew]

All right, man. Joseph says please. Is there any way to bring Red and his teammates to speak? In that interview, he never answered a single question, but instead gave unnecessary details to flood and distract your brain. Exactly, brother. You saw the same thing we did.

[Brent]

Yeah, I know. I'm not. We're not the only ones that saw that.

[Drew]

My goodness. Cosplay, $50. Thank you for the love. Does this push Red to come out? Basically made him look bad here.

[Brent]

I'm telling you, I. If. If this doesn't encourage his teammates to like, and, I mean, when is. When is enough enough? It's. It's one thing for them to be like, well, he lied about it, but that's. You know, that. That's Rob. That's his life. I don't want to get involved. I get that. Like, I. I get that. But at one point now he's making you look bad, and he's making the whole. The whole troop that went look like liars. He's making the whole troop that went look like people who don't know what they do, they're doing, and they just stop in the middle of an op and start doing sse and when it's not clear. And now he's saying guys will just run into rooms and shoot and take head shots when someone's trying to pour water on them, and they don't know.

[Drew]

What they're seeing, and.

[Andy Stumpf]

And.

[Brent]

And they don't know what they're seeing.

[Drew]

And they don't know what they're seeing.

[Brent]

Guys, if that doesn't motivate you to say enough's enough, I don't know what will.

[Drew]

I know. This is irrelevant because Red is smart enough to stay out of the whole thing and. And be a silent professional. So he's probably smart enough not even to watch this stuff. So good on you, Red. But if you're out there, Red, we invite you, contact us, and we will keep. We will.

[Brent]

We'll.

[Drew]

We'll blur out your. Your whole body and your. Your voice, man thing.

[Brent]

I hate this. I do. And as much as he's like, well, you don't have to subpoena everyone because they didn't see anything and they didn't see what they thought they saw, Red. Other guys, it's. I'm not. This isn't me doing this. We are going to subpoena you. We have to. We have to. I don't want to. We have to. And it's not me doing this. I didn't start the lawsuit. Rob did. So you could. You could probably come out now and not get subpoenaed and just. And that'll end the lawsuit. Or you can wait and then. And they might be like, well, that's fine. I get it. Just wait. Because. Wait till a judge tells me to do it, because then they'll be. Then it'll be okay for them to say whatever they have to say because it'll be on, you know, under oath and in a court of law, and maybe they just rather it be that way so they're not judged by their peers. Yeah, and I get that. But. But it's happening one way or another, and you have robbed a thing for that.

[Drew]

The intoxicated emperor says, hey, Brent, I ship out to. Was that OSUT. OSUT March 16 as an 11. Nice X ray option 4. And I just wanted to say you're a huge inspiration, and I can't wait to be an infantryman and get after it.

[Brent]

Heck yeah, man. I. I love that. I absolutely love that. And guess what? Now is the time to join the military. The pendulum is swung. Things The. The ship has righted and you're going in at a good time.

[Drew]

Resending the super chat from the first one. Brent, thoughts on the directed energy weapons during the Maduro raid? Are you familiar with them? We know you can't say anything.

[Brent]

I'll say this. SEAL Team 6 didn't even know about the. The stealth Blackhawks until the night of the mission. I'm. I'm. I'm not aware of them. But I'll say this. I'll say two things that any. Anything could could happen, but there's only one guy that. That talked about it and something. I don't know. I. It. It. I'm torn some. There's a part of me that wants to second guess it. And there's another part of me is like, yeah, we got cool stuff that I don't know about that nobody knows about until it's time. I don't know.

[Drew]

Corbin Pettigrew says, wife just got me an FRCC shirt and couple bags of coffee and she did so at FRCC shop. Everything is great. Also, gotta respect how Andy let Rob hang out dry and question his blatant bs. Rob's dress whites got a brown back after this pod.

[Brent]

In fact. Hey, real quick. I don't know if we can stop you right there. It'll be a good stop in the. In this. Drew, can you go back to the. To the Andy Stump podcast is a little impromptu. I don't really know what they say. Go to. Go to the episode. Scroll down. Let's just look at some comments. See if the American public is. Is. Is buying this. Let's just read a few. Andy out here with the patience of a school teacher. Andy's level of interview expertise is legendary. He makes people feel comfortable, comes off non judgmental, while also calling people on their shite and letting things slide that others would. Journalism should take note. Absolutely. I wish this interview was also available in decaf. I shot him in the face three times. Will gets it. Anyone else feel like Rob told you the sky was blue? You. You'd go to your window to verify. Oh, man. I'd see Skip instead of lawsuit. Andy should have had Rob and Brent and the same to be the mediator. I. I'd do that all day long. But he won't. Rob won't. It just. It just. It just goes on and on and I love it. The comments are either praising Andy, which he deserved, or doubting Rob's story. You. I just. You're not going to find Rob defenders in there. And what's that? It's just. It's. And guess what, Rob. He's narcissistic. He goes to the comment section. He reads it. He's been pretty quiet AF after this. There's. He. Otherwise he'd be taking victory laps over it. This. All right, I'm gonna go on a. Yeah, I'm gonna go on a. On a guess. And this isn't being slanderous. This is just me trying to guess what's going to happen. I'm afraid actually of this. This is going to drive Rob back in the drinking because between the comments section of that episode, he knows it went bad when he thought that he planned this out meticulously and nailed it, only to find out no one believes him. And then he's going to watch this episode, and then he's going to find out, crap. Brent really picked me apart on this. And. And now that's out that there's only. There are. There are two options, and he'll take one. One option would be to come clean, but Tim Kennedy had that same option. And Robin. Tim are in the same cut from the same cloth, even though he tried to delineate the two. They are. And since he won't come clean, which is really ironic because it's what he told Tim to do, what normally happens is when you're backed into a corner and you refuse to come clean, he'll end up going to some sort of rehab and then saying, hey, guys, I'm. I'm. I'm dealing with something right now, and just kind of use that to fall off the radar. That's what. Yeah, that's what public figures do. Anytime a public figure messes up, they. What do they do? They go. They go to rehab and they're like, hey, I was. I was dealing with something.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And they fall off the radar for a little bit, and then they try to come back like nothing happened.

[Drew]

Well, the best way to get clean and stay clean is to come clean, so.

[Brent]

Whoa. Drew, put that on a shirt.

[Drew]

All right, all right. RNT says New York City can have ns. Ro Montana is full. Don't come back. He's a tier one victim. There's no putting this genie back in the bottle.

[Brent]

Nope. They're. You're right about that.

[Drew]

The toothpaste is out of the tube.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Jay Burke says. Hey, man, just wanted to say thank you for viewing my story on Insta. Hit me up sometime. Also, shout out to Vanessa. Hope you all had a dope time at Shot show. Stay lethal, brother. The boys got your backpack.

[Brent]

Oh, thank you. Thank you.

[Drew]

Just another 11B says one all shite wipes away all the Atta boys. That's tr.

[Brent]

True. It's true.

[Drew]

Good. Timber. Here's that money you made off of Rob.

[Brent]

When.

[Drew]

Look at that.

[Brent]

You know what's funny? That's funny. I'm talking about all the money I've made off of Rob. Rob. One of your speaking engagements will double the money I make this year on this podcast.

[Drew]

Yeah. And, you know, for. Just for the record, two years straight is ridiculous. You know, we've talked about Rob a couple of times, and he's the one who brought the story back out. And our content is full of Way more things than Rob and Timmy.

[Brent]

I know. And, and it just. Because it irritates me. And I hate telling people what irritates me because once you, once you let it out, they, they know how to get your goat again. The only time I've mentioned Rob was in rebuttal to him calling me names and trying to paint my former co host Bad Light and into mine. Yeah, but even back with my, with my old podcast, we have, we have 98 of our podcasts have to do with other vets and other first responders telling positive stories. No, I won't be remembered for tearing down vets.

[Drew]

No.

[Brent]

I just had a 31 year veteran HSI special agent who is a goldfall, a gold star father who lost his son and the Marine Corps deadliest maritime training accident on the podcast. I've had other Navy Seals on the podcast. I've had Delta Force guys on the podcast. I've had Marine infantry guys on the podcast. I've had 11 B's on the podcast. That's what I'll be remembered for. Yeah, that's what I'll be remembered for because that's what the majority of what I do. And I also might be remembered for holding vets accountable and being right every time and never dragging an innocent vet's name through the mud who didn't deserve it.

[Drew]

Mike drop. All right. That's right, Brent. 100% Justin Carling says Hulk Hogan Real American out song. Brent, you're the tier one operator we need right now. Drew Loud. All right, that was 100 bucks. You got that for a hundred bucks, man. Thank you very much for the love, you guys. Dubs War room says, I never understood how if point man shot bin Laden with his head out the door, how did he die 15ft back in the room, bleeding out in front of the bed?

[Brent]

Because Matt Bisson had actually said that. He said when he got shot, he fell back into the room and it wasn't 15ft back. The whole. If you've ever, you can go to 60 minutes and you can watch and, and I'm not making fun of the question, by the way. I, I appreciate the question.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Brent]

And if you have the truth, you should always want a question because the truth isn't scared of questions. And you know that more than, than anyone. So go look at the 60 minute walkthrough. They take pictures of Osama bin Laden's bedroom. It's, it's so small. It actually only has a queen size bed in it and it has about three or four feet of of room to walk around each side of it.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

When as when he fell back after getting shot in the head. He fell back and fell at the foot of the bed. That so I'm glad you asked that. And there is the reason why.

[Drew]

So the video is called manhunt for Osama bin Laden US Navy Seal who fired the fatal shot tells all 60 Minutes.

[Brent]

Oh no, that's. That's a different one.

[Drew]

Oh, that's a different one.

[Brent]

That's the one that we watched. No 60 minute does a walk through like. Like a. A fairly short walkthrough of. Of Osama bin Laden's compound.

[Drew]

Yeah. Don't listen to me.

[Brent]

Listen to Brent. It's okay. You know what else is funny in that video? They do a walk through of his bathroom as well. And you know what you can see on the counter in his bathroom?

[Drew]

Beer.

[Brent]

Beard color just for men. Beard coloring. So how. How just. It's just ironic. Just another reason why we know that his beard was black and not gray.

[Drew]

All right, let's see. We got crafted teas. NC says Brent, happy to make you a T shirt. A shirt that says defame this. LOL. Nice.

[Brent]

Send us a DM over at Tier 1 podcast on on Instagram. Let's. Let's get that one going. I'll wear the next live.

[Drew]

Let's see B. Jordan says ICE is forming a tier one team. Their words thoughts.

[Brent]

Heck yeah. That's my thoughts.

[Drew]

Be joined back in what makes for a great troop commander. Knowing Honesty.

[Brent]

Honesty. Yeah, knowing knowing that you're the highest ranking guy there and that you probably know the least Mr.

[Drew]

Nasty Time says McRaven quote wanting to be upstairs over tactics, tactical amnesia, etc. Also how there is a double stack that split off clear rooms and be in UBL's room if it took seconds shot during wild.

[Brent]

Everything about it's wild.

[Drew]

Everything's crazy.

[Brent]

Everything about it's wild.

[Drew]

You're right. Justin Carling says Brent, I really hope you and Rob can work this out and he can come on the Tier 1 podcast and set the record straight.

[Brent]

I hope, I hope he saved my number when I gave it to him even though he blocked me which deleted all of the. The, the messages. He has my number. Please reach out to me. Rob, there was a chair right there for you. We can talk this out.

[Drew]

Well, Rob did reach out to us. He. He reached. Well, he reached out through a lawyer and a 25 million dollar lawsuit.

[Brent]

Right. You can reach out to me directly anytime, Rob.

[Drew]

That's how he wants to try to set the record Straight. So.

[Brent]

Although Rob never gave me his number, but I gave him mine.

[Drew]

RNT says you build bridges for 20 years and they call you a bridge builder. You suck one.

[Brent]

Have you never heard that, Joe?

[Drew]

No. They call you bridge.

[Brent]

It's funny. That's what. That's what you wrote. Because that was the first thing that came to my mind. So you build bridges for 20 years, they call you a bridge builder.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Brent]

One wiener.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Yeah. Okay, I got it.

[Brent]

Now they don't remember who's a bridge builder, do they? That's what they remember you as.

[Drew]

100. I love it. The intoxicated emperor pilot was Tim Kennedy doing the impossible. Joe Saunders. Yippee Kaye says a most excellent live tier one podcast for the closing song. Send lawyers guns and money by Warren.

[Brent]

I like that guy.

[Drew]

Cause when Rob speaks, I keep hearing that song. That's $15 for that one.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Drew]

Corey. Doctor says can't wait till he makes himself look stupid in court. Thank God guys like you and Bis make up our tier one units and are on the side of the U. S. Man.

[Brent]

Thank you. I do appreciate that. I do.

[Drew]

Get off my lawn. Says no one stays behind to pull security on UBL's body or they all leave the room and continue you to clear. He knows.

[Brent]

No. Well. Well, he's saying no one stays behind to pull secured on u. He's questioning. I'm sorry, no. Because just like Bis said, they don't know that it's UBL's body. They go in, they take quick shots and they leave. You don't know who that dead man is on the floor until you do. Until the everything's clear. And then you come back and you inspect all the dead bodies. Yeah.

[Drew]

TJ says Slabinski lied about Chapman, o' Neal or Biss is lying. Looks like seals lie.

[Brent]

Was that you? Tell me what it is.

[Drew]

I don't know. Effing when it works.

[Brent]

For what it's worth.

[Rob O'Neill]

For what it's worth. Okay.

[Drew]

Feel bad for the guys who tried to do it right.

[Brent]

And guess what? Most of them did it right. Like 99.999 of them did it right.

[Drew]

Yeah, See, Iceman says early framing. I didn't want attention. My name was already out. I was protecting the team. Later framing. I regret giving top cover. The truth should have been told. This is about stopping malicious attacks. Bro.

[Brent]

Bro. I know. It's. I don't. Again. I don't think that episode did what he thought it did.

[Drew]

Iceman back in again. He says. I also forgot to mention Rob O was saying that Red Squadron was jealous of him, and that led to more morale, being low. EX17 happened right after NS. Like that wasn't the reason for low morale. All about him.

[Brent]

I. I have a question. It's an honest question. If. If you're the guy that killed ubl, and you're Red Squadron's golden boy at this point, because you. You kill.

[Drew]

Yeah. Your life's gonna change forever.

[Brent]

It's gonna change. You're the man.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

You're the man. Then tell me right after, when you got back, why did they move you to Silver Squadron? Why would they move their All Star to another squadron?

[Drew]

They want to spread the talent.

[Brent]

They want to spread the talent. Okay. That's. That would. I've. I've heard.

[Drew]

To give somebody else in Red Squadron a chance to, you know, be top dog.

[Brent]

I've. I've heard other members give that reason. And trust me, that wasn't the reason they gave. Okay.

[Drew]

Brody Martin says, do you think his craziness is cte, ptsd, or the magic mushrooms he took in Mexico? Like Tim Kennedy? Rob had a legit resume. It's embarrassing. He threw it all away on these lies.

[Brent]

No. Unless CTE is short for. For selfish, for. For some odd reason that I'm not. That I'm not aware of, then, no, that's the only reason why I did it.

[Drew]

Neil Conway, he publicly told a story for money, and he is accountable for that money and honor. He represented a team, not himself alone. So public shame is valid.

[Brent]

Thank you, sir.

[Drew]

Especially. Especially when you take your story to a public level.

[Brent]

Absolutely.

[Drew]

And fool a bunch of people.

[Brent]

Right.

[Drew]

At Six's mom. $100, man. Thank you for the love. Thanks for clarifying. I watched Andy's interview three times. You have to. To understand what's going on. And came away with three points. Number one, he doesn't care who killed bin Laden. He reiterated.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Drew]

Okay. Number two, his daughters are being trolled on the Internet and are stressed and need to be proud of him. Number three, SEAL Team Six sucks. Aloha.

[Brent]

Unfortunately, those. Those. Those are valid takeaways of that. But. But SEAL Team Six does not suck. They're great Americans. I assure you. They're. They're America's best. Among America's best.

[Drew]

Yeah. Somebody said in this. The. In the chats earlier that, you know, you have guys like Latrell and these others that, you know, haven't been honest, so the debriefing. It's expected for them to lie because they're. They're all lying. No, Those are the extreme exceptions.

[Brent]

Exactly.

[Drew]

It's ridiculous.

[Brent]

Exactly.

[Drew]

As Six's mom back in, he says, hey, add this to my 100 bucks. As I said, in the chart of 45 minutes song wish for we're here by Pink Floyd. Aloha from Ka.

[Brent]

Oh. Oh yeah.

[Drew]

Kai. Why Kai. Kai. Wya. Dang it. All right, so that's. That's 110 bucks for wish Wish. Wish for. We're here.

[Brent]

Wish you were here, Pink Floyd.

[Drew]

That's it. Wish for.

[Brent]

You love that song.

[Drew]

Sorry, Holy folk. I'm just not gonna get it. There's just some things. Kaya, please address the piss bottle allegations. There it is.

[Brent]

My eyes dart over to my phone ever and again, and I read comments when I can. That. That aren't super chats. Just. Just, you know, get. Get a. Get a pulse of. Of what the. The guys. The amount of piss bottle comments was hilarious. I don't know. I've. I've. I've personally never had. Had to do that. So I'm. That again, just another anytime. It's an entertaining story. I just have to cast a little bit a doubt on that. I've. Why wouldn't you just leave it on the helicopter? Why wouldn't you just throw it out in the middle of the mountain range that you're flying over in the middle of nowhere? I don't know. I'll tell you where I'm not keeping it. In my. In my pant leg.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Brent]

The whole time there and back and on the objective. And again, you're either a smart guy. You're not. Okay? I don't. You can't. I know. I know you think that's an entertaining story, but it doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't do what you think it does.

[Drew]

He's good at being a seal. That's what he's good at.

[Brent]

Yeah.

[Drew]

All right. Kyle says so our best men at the most important 5, 6 seconds of life becomes lion jealous school girls. No effing way.

[Brent]

That's right. Because they don't.

[Drew]

Because they don't at Six's mom trying to help Drew out. Appreciate that, Drew. It's kawai.

[Brent]

All right.

[Drew]

Is it kawai or Ky? I say kawai.

[Brent]

Kawai. Yeah.

[Drew]

I mean that au should be. Ah, so it's kawai.

[Brent]

Kawai.

[Drew]

Aloha from Kawai.

[Brent]

Thank you, Six's mom.

[Drew]

Kawai. Dan Patrick Fitz as Rob's deflection talking over Andy and useless information to try to overwhelm Andy is how you know he's lying.

[Brent]

That Is true. And again, it's why I love Andy. You. He will do it. Cool. Common collective. But don't take his. Don't take his quietness and his professionalism for weakness. You will not. You will not bulldoze Andy on. On his podcast or. Or anywhere else. You won't outsmart him, and you won't. You won't get away from his question.

[Drew]

Very smart dude. No matter what he says about himself. Cliff. 20 bucks says Rob's an idiot. Careful, Rob. You never. All right. Or Cliff. If he repeats on the stand under oath the story he told Andy, he gives testimony for DoD to prosecute himself and his teammates. Total Blue Falcon. Also, don't give benefit doubt to Red Squadron. Read Matthew Cole.

[Brent]

Yeah, when he's talking about the crimes of SEAL Team 6 and Red Squadron. Again, that has to do with Red Squadron being savages on the battlefield. And I don't care about them being savages on the battlefield. And not everything they did was right. But guess what? Not everything that goes on in war.

[Drew]

It's war.

[Brent]

People is right. And it's definitely easier to look back and say some things. I'm not defending everything they did. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that for. For some of the things. But. But. But lying. We can never accept. That's. Lying and savagery are very two different things. In fact, those two worlds collide.

[Drew]

Wake up by mad season. 10 bucks.

[Brent]

All right.

[Drew]

All right. Holy fook. Back in to help Drew out. I appreciate Drew. It's KA Y E. Which is different than what Six's mom said. It said it was Kai.

[Brent]

Why Got one for me. Magnet.

[Drew]

So I'm. I'm just. I'm struggling here, guys. I'm really sorry. I'm not from Hawaii, but I really appreciate the help. I need it.

[Brent]

I'll just let you guys know. Tasty Gaines just sent me another bag. And I've been. I've been on their strawberry creamsicle, but they. This is sour watermelon. And they are. They are in competition for. For my favorite. I didn't think they'd beat this. The Creamsicle, and it's not. I don't talk about things that I don't believe in, but let me tell you, I wouldn't. If it wasn't for gummies sitting around the house. I wouldn't take creatine. And I'm a better. And I am. I'm better for taking creatine. It is. It is a tried and true product. Anyway, keep calm.

[Drew]

ATX Adventure says I believe Defamation of a public figure requires knowledge that your statements are a lie.

[Brent]

Correct.

[Drew]

Rob admitted he lied. Doesn't that destroy his entire case?

[Brent]

Everything about that podcast just destroyed his entire case.

[Drew]

It jumped on me. I'll get it in just a second. All right, there it is. All right. Papa penguin pontificates. 50 bucks. Good to see you, Papa. Former greenside sailor here. Shout out. University of Remedy. Sorry. 0504 05. I'm a firm believer in never letting the truth get in the way of a good C story, but this whole saga needs to be a PR safety brief. My second ex wife and I get along better. Oh, well played. Well played.

[Brent]

No rebuttal.

[Drew]

Neil Conway says it is a shame that Rob, who obviously put in good work, is now going to be known for this instead of a great career. Perhaps JSOC wanted this story. Perhaps Latrell, if so, can it be revealed?

[Brent]

Yeah, we just revealed it for you. And it will be. And if it goes to court, trust me, it will be revealed. But it doesn't matter. We've already told you it doesn't. You don't have to wait for court.

[Drew]

We.

[Brent]

We just picked it apart with logic and experience and with his own words against himself. And I hate it when they're like, well, you weren't there. Well, we just showed you a video of another assaulter that was there. Yeah, so if you don't like logic and you don't like my experience, take the other guy's word for it. Who was there.

[Drew]

Yeah, what about the guy who said the other guys who were there don't know what they're saying.

[Brent]

It's never enough for. For some people, but I get it. Not everyone likes to be bamboozled.

[Drew]

Some people like to protect liars, Brett, because they. Because they're. They're conscious about their own lies. How? Arms Rich. What's up, brother? Always bringing the truth. Love it. Brothers, Amazing night. Amazing night. Ready to watch the full video tomorrow. Amazing content as always, and can't wait to get back down again.

[Brent]

Mr. Thank you. Mr. How.

[Drew]

Justin Carling, thank you very much for the 100 bucks. We really appreciate it. Real American by Hulk. Well, not by. But Hulk Hogan.

[Brent]

Yeah, that's up to almost 200. That one got in the lead. It'd be hard to on the dethrone that one.

[Drew]

So where are we at on 1st and 2nd? What are the numbers?

[Brent]

199 for real American. Wish you were here. Is at 110, tied with Night Stalker. 110 at Megadeth.

[Drew]

There you go. Brent Huberty. Says, crazy how red name isn't public, but Rob was worried his name would get leaked, so he wrote a book.

[Brent]

Checks out. Makes sense.

[Drew]

All right, Neil Conway back in again. $50. Thank you, man. A salute to other veterans and active duty, as well as other first responders.

[Brent]

Max, get over here, buddy.

[Drew]

That's it. That's $50. Salute from Neil Conway to veterans, active duty, as well as other first responders. We salute you, Papa Penguin particates. There are some interesting Navy Times articles about Rob shortly after this happened. It would be worth the effort to do the research or do the search. All right, Navy Times articles. Chris Smith says, send Annie a hot tub as a thank you gift.

[Brent]

I think. I think Andy's had enough hot tub action with me or from me, but. But he's cold up there. He may appreciate that. Yeah, I send them my cinder bonds. I'm hot.

[Drew]

Brody Martin. $50. Thank you so much, Drew. You taking a break from Truth in the Dark podcast? What about weekly Bible study online? I know you're busy, brother. Also, can we get more Brent Roast jokes from Devin Outro song for lawyer Guns and money feels 50 onto that.

[Brent]

All right, that's up to 65. It's creeping.

[Drew]

As far as my podcast, I am trying to get the time to do a little something. I am just swamped with responsibilities at FRCC right now. And I'm trying, but it's not working. I'm doing my best. I really want to get back to it. Thanks for asking. Iceman says Rob needs to file a defamation claim against himself.

[Brent]

Ah.

[Drew]

Unfortunate for him. He got put under the X ray machine. Okay, I'll see myself.

[Brent]

Oh, my gosh.

[Drew]

No, that was well played.

[Brent]

That is. It's be hard to unseat that comment. Comment of the night.

[Drew]

Yeah, that was good. All right. Holy fook. I'm not a lawyer, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. What was the reason why Rob got pnged?

[Brent]

You should ask Rob that. Someone at some point should ask Rob that. He's so proud that his book got approved by the DoD, but he doesn't like to talk about everything thing. Someone should ask Rob that.

[Drew]

Justin Carling for magnet. 8.6 Blackout built army strong, not army smarter. Over 300 Blackout. Hold on, buddy. Hold on.

[Andy Stumpf]

Wait.

[Drew]

All right, the 8.6 blackout is a.

[Brent]

Is a 308 round and I. It's got more stopping power than the.

[Drew]

The 300 blackout.

[Brent]

There you go.

[Drew]

Stopping power. All right, let's see here. We got Tack Worm. Probably needs to explain the piss bottle Comments for a lot in the chat. And it is. Is it possible to take away his trident for the embarrassment and lying?

[Brent]

It's always possible. But you know what? Gosh, I can't be too hard on the Navy. The army hasn't taken Tim Kennedy's special forces tab away yet. So if the army won't take action against Tim Kennedy, I don't expect a lot from the Navy.

[Drew]

I'm sure they just want this to go away or they just don't care.

[Brent]

Oh, and probably need to explain the piss bottle. Comments for a lot, I think, of us in the chat. So a piss bottle is just. It's just an empty water bottle that. It was a long flight in. So he kept a empty piss bottle on him. So if he had to go to the bathroom and pee before the mission, he just crawled into the helicopter, pissing the bottle, and then he apparently kept it in his. In his pocket. That's. That's what a piss bottle is.

[Drew]

Let's see how Arm says, I didn't this $200, man. Thank you very much for helping pay the bills around here, man. I didn't do a song. So 220 for Dusty Bible by Josiah Queen.

[Brent]

Dusty Bible might be one of those Two song nights.

[Drew]

220 all together from how arms Justin Carling. Another 100 bucks for a Real American by Hulk Hogan.

[Brent]

Oh, man.

[Drew]

These guys take these outro songs.

[Brent]

They do.

[Drew]

And we appreciate it.

[Brent]

And it's. Oh, it's hard. It's hard to beat. It's hard to beat real American, especially on a night like tonight. Oh, man.

[Drew]

Oh, gosh. No kidding. BD8 says no bubbles, no troubles.

[Brent]

That's right. No bubbles, no troubles. It's a dive term. I get you. I see what you did there. I appreciate you.

[Drew]

Oh, I didn't. I. I was just thinking. I thought it was a hot tub comment.

[Brent]

No, because. No.

[Drew]

No bubbles, no trouble.

[Brent]

It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a closed circuit rebreather terminology. Nice.

[Drew]

Six is mom. Sorry, I'm from here. It's kawaii. It's not like Maui. No E sound at the end. Need to look into the history of the island. Oh, I'll have you speaking Hawaiian. Drew. Aloha from Kawaii.

[Brent]

Oh, we have. I love it. We have. Now we have.

[Drew]

I think his mom is right. I mean, phonetically, it should be Kai, just like kawaii. Well, why? There's a Y in there, but in Greek.

[Brent]

Okay.

[Drew]

You know, it's more like Greek And Latin. Just two syllables. Okay. Iceman says, yo, Justin Carling, is your job higher?

[Brent]

Oh, look at that. It's. We got everything in the chats from. From Hawaiian battles to. To. To job placements.

[Drew]

Yeah. Corey. Doctor says, Brent, did you buy the four tube nods on your desk or did Delta let you leave with them?

[Brent]

They did not let me leave with them. In fact, one of the few things of. Of note that. That I left with is. Can you go wider? Can you.

[Rob O'Neill]

Yo.

[Brent]

Is. Is my kit. It's one. I got a few other things, but that's. That's part of the thing I'm most proud of, is that. That. That is my. That is my kit that I wore for years. And I. I took that with me.

[Drew]

That's it. That's the super chat.

[Brent]

We did it. We did it.

[Drew]

Hey, guys, At FRCC shop this weekend, we're giving away free T shirts. The black green blue Eagle t shirts. Buy $30 worth of coffee. That's bags or K cups, and you will get a free shirt. Put it in the cart.

[Brent]

And last thing I'll say. I'll just say it in a way that won't get us kicked off. Like the first thing, there's an item in front of me that is pretty cool. And the way it looks in its entirety is how someone's going to win it in our Patreon. And you have to be a Patreon member to win it. And we don't have that many. Like I said, we're not. We're not. We're not. Sean Ryan, you're not competing against hundreds of thousands. So the chance of you winning a very free item that's very close to being in front of me could be yours. Join our Patreon. Everyone has a chance at winning that thing. Let's get to it. The winner.

[Rob O'Neill]

Oh, gosh.

[Brent]

And I love to say this is real American. And I'm going to actually give you the COVID version and not. Not the original song. It's even. It's. Believe it or not, it's even a little better.

[Drew]

How arm says. I guess to get my song. God always first. 20 bucks more.

[Brent]

Go, Go. Close that door. Your. Your is. Is your Bluetooth on magnet. And if it is, I swear to God, you better forget that device. Which one is it? Every freaking time. Oh, nope. And I apologize.

[Drew]

What do you want? I apologize when I'm wrong. And I'm wrong.

[Brent]

You want me to close that door? Close that door, please. Guys, let me know if you can hear the song. And this is.

[Drew]

Let Us know you can hear the song.

[Brent]

We. This is the time we go through the regular chats to say thank you guys for everything. You don't just have to want to make Ultra so bad. You can just have one. You can just have one. Is it a piss bottle? I. I hope they're not talking about that. Delta wants to know why you weren't at shot show. It's the first time I missed shot show for a reason. And what's crazy is I was so happy not to go. And then when I didn't go, I was kind of upset that that I didn't go to shot show. I will be there next year. All right, great. I gotta rip my shirt off now. Well, I. I see you. Thanks for great show tonight, fellas. Thank you. D Tank trades. I appre. Trans Kennedy yo. That guy says yo in every comment that in every video we do. And I always reply to him yo back and he knows it. Just found the channel. Now I'm hooked. Verita. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that, brother. I really, really do. Piss. Piss bottle flavored Tasty Gates gummies.

[Drew]

Comes in a yellow bag.

[Brent]

Transim Kennedy frcc. Piss bottle. We're not doing it. We're not doing it. The. The piss bottle thing just won't die. This better not be a reoccurring theme in the show now T shirt.

[Drew]

Yeah, but do you sit down or stand up and you.

[Rob O'Neill]

Piss bottle.

[Brent]

Here we go. Go. There we go. Now we're adding the two.

[Drew]

Christ is king. Yes, sir.

[Brent]

You guys should clip the out of this live so it reaches more people. I probably will. I probably will. Piss metal mer. Piss bottled merch coming. There it is. Oh my gosh. You should sell Seal Team 6 bottled water. Ah, Delta dad is great stuff, I tell you. This is one of my favorite comments. I love nothing more than making your dad proud. I would. I would hate for a. Another operator to ever look and be like that guy's an embarrassment. So I do appreciate that. That I do try to do things right. And I do try to do things. Professional rapture is in. Is imminent. Yes, it is. Drunk Christian. You can't make it up. Give us a piss bottle story. I. I don't have any. I pissed before missions. Yeah. This interview is hard to watch. Not really. I get what you're saying, but it was ah. It for. For me and for people looking for the truth. It was a gift. It was easy to watch. It was awesome to watch. You know, I just. I have a hard time saying. Saying bye sometimes. What was Second place. What? Well, you want to give to Howell Arms. It was Dusty Bible, Josiah Queen. And. And it's only right to give that to. To Richard. It's only right. Let me see here. Dusty. Oh, now, now everyone's getting creatine. Everyone's getting it.

[Drew]

I'm just in it for the sour watermelon use.

[Brent]

Use promo code tier one. You get a discount on that. There you go. Dusty Bibles. Richard, this one's for you, brother. And maybe this one's for me. I haven't heard this song. I don't think so. And I get to hang out in the comment section just a little longer. And I loved that. Although it looks like we're just going to talk about piss bottles. You know, I did not watch the. The. Where was it. Where was it the. The Mike Ritland interview just yet. And I still intend on. On doing that. But I am playing favorites with that because Andy Stumpf is one of my favorite people in the world. Zero dark piss took me out. Oh, gosh. It's. It's. It's hard to read one that doesn't talk about piss. Now transcend Kennedy, you better join Patreon. And I want the first post from you in general discussion to be yo. And I know it will be. And I know it will be. Brad must feel like a wizard. I feel pretty dumb most of the time. And I do it to myself. It just doesn't stop. Rob and Kennedy act the same. Rob and Kennedy act the same when they lie. I'm telling you after. Yeah, I hate to say the word study of sorts, but after studying both, it's uncanny. It's uncanny. The psychology of the two. How they act, how they tell stories. They. Gosh.

[Drew]

The distraction of details to bid by time.

[Brent]

The way they buddy buddy up to people. The first thing Rob did was like, oh, I jumped with you. You don't remember it, but I was your first tandem, like trying to go ahead and set that precedence of friendship. So. So he won't. So we won't be so hard on them.

[Drew]

Y win you over.

[Brent]

Yeah. One day. Hopefully one day, Drew and Brent will visit Hawaii. Oh, that would be awesome. Drew, you ever been to Hawaii?

[Drew]

Heck no.

[Brent]

I went when I was 15 on the Vietnam trip for a few days. It was awesome. But it's been so long. It's been so long.

[Drew]

Well, because of all the ice caps melting. I don't know if it's even barely there.

[Brent]

Brent, are you cutting or is that just the piss bottle? Hands up. There's no piss bottle. Here yet. Brent, why is your brother so cool? And do you feel. And do you feel inadequate? They like you. They like you, Drew.

[Drew]

It's a good question.

[Brent]

I like you too, Drew. Rucksack full of grenades and piss bottles. Now. Now we've connected the two, and I love it. Here's a comment not about piss, which is ironic. I see what you did there. I see what you did there. I'm telling you, we have.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I.

[Drew]

These guys are great.

[Brent]

It. It's. It's.

[Rob O'Neill]

I.

[Brent]

If people didn't know us or. And they haven't interacted with. With our comment section and our listeners, when I say we have the best audience, the best listeners, the best followers, it sounds like, oh, he's just saying that. Watch alive. Go to our comment section, read these comments, and you will know we have the best audience. And I don't know how we built it just out of sheer luck. I don't know why you guys are the way you are, and I love it. And I wouldn't. I wouldn't change it. God, I wouldn't change it.

[Drew]

One day, I hope that we are big enough so that we can have, like a tier one podcast conference once a year. Just have everybody come to, you know, wherever and party.

[Brent]

I'm thinking about doing a, like a Patreon meetup, you know, or. And something like that, and then use some of that Patreon money to. It's like, hey, if you can get here, like lodging and. And food, it is all on us. Just get here. Yeah. And let's go hang out and go shoot for a couple days. Let's tell some stories and just. Let's just hang out as. As a family. And that's. I'm gonna think. I'm thinking about that real hard. I'm gonna. You know, I don't care if five people show up, ten people show up. I don't care how many people show up. I think. I just think it'd be a cool experience. And, you know, and it's not for the Patreon. It's a cool experience for me to get to hang out with you guys. So. But before we're doing that, don't worry, it's still worth joining Patreon because there's something in front of me you might get for absolutely free. Pew, pew, pew. No, it's not the MC Ultra. No, it's not the Creatine Guppies. This is right in front of that. But if I say it, we'll get. It's camouflage. Anyway, guys, thank you so much. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for being a part of this community. And remember, we are building a Tier one community. Be tier one fathers. Be tier one wives, Be tier one brothers. I have a tier one brother, so I know how important that is in life. Be tier one friends. I have a tier one friend. I know what that's like. Be a tier one worker. Be a tier one boyfriend, Be a tier one person. Thank you, guys. Good night. See you next Thursday with Jimmy Watson on the Live. Right there in the seat. He is a character and it's going to be a good time. See you guys then.