Tim Kennedy Confesses, Rob O'Neill Exposed by Teammate | Tier1 Live

Summary

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Tier1 Podcast: Tim Kennedy Confesses, Rob O'Neill Exposed by Teammate | July 17, 2026

Host: Brent Tucker
Guests: Greg Coker (CW4, Ret.), Magnet, Drew Hansen, Tim Kennedy (live interaction, subject of episode), Matt Bissonnette (via referenced interview), Brian Callan (referenced), Andy Stumpf (referenced)
Producer: Drew Tucker

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Overview

This episode is a high-intensity, candid exploration of two major controversies in the special operations community:

1. Tim Kennedy’s Confession and Accountability: A breakdown of Tim Kennedy publicly admitting to fabricating or embellishing aspects of his military record, notably in his book "Scars and Stripes".
2. Rob O’Neill’s Bin Laden Story Debunked: A detailed analysis of Matt Bissonnette’s recent interview, which directly contradicts Rob O’Neill’s widely publicized account of the Osama Bin Laden raid, calling out lies and clarifying the true sequence of events.

The discussion weaves in camaraderie among elite veterans, the necessity for integrity, and the toll of public scrutiny, all while keeping the conversation grounded, unapologetic, and laced with irreverent SOF humor.

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Key Discussion Segments & Insights

1. Welcome & Setting the Stage

00:06 – 05:47

• Short banter and team introductions.
• Brent clarifies the episode will address Tim Kennedy’s controversy first, then shift to Rob O’Neill after a halftime break.
• A moment honoring the special bond between Delta Force and 160th SOAR, and comparing it to connections with British SAS.

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2. Q&A: Community Accountability & Fallout

06:09 – 10:28

• Brent addresses consequences surrounding high-profile SEALs/SF operators lying about service, especially when their families are caught in the crossfire online.
• Quote:

  “This is happening because of their actions... When they chose to tell a lie about their service and when that lie gets called out... am I to blame for that or are they to blame?”
  — Brent Tucker [07:09]

• Drew Hansen and Greg Coker discuss the ethics of using one's children as shields against criticism—“Who uses their kids like that as a defense?” [07:45]
• Brent reflects on integrity and "veteran-on-veteran" accountability, not hate.

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3. The Tim Kennedy Controversy: Detailed Breakdown

35:49 – 97:39

Setting Context: Explaining Deployments and Terminology

35:49 – 43:09

• Brent outlines how Kennedy classified various non-combat overseas trips as "deployments" in public appearances.
• Quote:

  “If my company deploys me to Belgium to work with the Belgian special operations unit, is that a deployment? Well... that’s a deployment. But... when you say ‘deployments’ ...the context was about combat experience—not just any travel.”
  — Brent Tucker [37:56]

The Admissions: "Fish Stories" vs. Full Lies

47:02 – 52:35

• Kennedy, when confronted by Brian Callan, admits “some of the criticisms were founded in mistakes, overstatements, inaccuracies...big fish stories.” [47:02]
• Callan pushes: “Call it as lies, embellishments, exaggerations.”
  Kennedy: “Alright. 100.”
  — [47:21]
• Brent: “Tim just admitted to lying in his book. Don’t get this twisted. I’m not celebrating. That’s a form of accountability.”

Handing Out Accountability—Comedic—but Sharp

• Callan:

  “If you do a couple things, you go, ‘I’m going to push here, I’m going to exaggerate, I’m going to lie, I’m going to embellish, I’m going to tell a fish story...’ You can’t get away with that. You’re gonna pay for that with interest...”
  — Brian Callan [92:20]

The Bronze Star "V" Device & Ranger School Claims

• Brent explains how Kennedy allowed outright falsehoods (Bronze Star with “V”) to proliferate—on his website, in media, in his book, and only began correcting the record after being repeatedly called out.
• Kennedy admits misrepresenting his Ranger School achievement, claiming "Honor Graduate" when he actually received a leadership award—a lesser distinction. [68:27 – 69:39]

Sniper Engagements, Anecdotes, and "Making an Awesome Book"

• Kennedy acknowledges that some events (20-hour firefights, Iranian fighters, grenade “bag of grenades” tales) were “fish stories."
• Brent and the co-hosts push back on Kennedy evading sharper responsibility or hiding behind "bad memory" or "present tense writing."
• Quote:

  “He starts out strong with taking accountability... but then he falls short. He loses it again.”
  — Brent Tucker [70:27]

Host Perspective: Grading on a Curve

• Brent: “I said, if you apologize about this, if you admit that you lied and change your ways, I’ll be the first to welcome you back in the fold... To me, Tim has made some great strides. Just because he didn’t do it all in one episode... I’m not going to... throw the baby out with the bathwater.” [93:56–97:39]

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4. Community Q&A and Reflections

99:44 – 127:47

• Questions about leadership, unit culture, body cams on missions, anecdotes from training and operations, and a strong emphasis on the necessity of integrity.
• Greg Coker shares pilot anecdotes—crash landings, worst/favorite environments, camaraderie stories.
• On “body cams” for missions:

  “I don’t think there’s anything good that can come from that... it’s not a body camera issue; it’s an integrity issue.”
  — Brent Tucker [123:59]

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5. Rob O’Neill & the Bin Laden Raid: Matt Bissonnette’s Eyewitness Exposé

127:47 – 179:05 (main narrative)

• Brent recaps the diverging accounts:
  • Rob O’Neill: Two-man element, O’Neill as the “lone shooter” of UBL.
  • Bissonnette: A train of assaulters; point man takes a shot at a head, several SEALs pour in and finish UBL together.
• Bissonnette’s points:
  • “Nobody interrupted, nobody talked about a second train... The point man talked about shooting and moving into the room.” [134:45]
  • No debrief lies: “You’d have to get everybody in the room to go along with that story.” [138:23]
  • On O’Neill’s claim of someone shooting UBL’s corpse in the face during post-raid photos: “That is a major, major issue if someone does that... I’ve never done a debrief where you don’t tell the whole truth...” [166:28]
  • Logical/physical impossibility for O’Neill’s solo kill narrative; White House records support the team shooter account.

Host’s Verdict:

• Brent:

  “Everything Matt says is how we do business—that checks out. Nothing Rob is saying checks out with the way we do business... The other story has so many holes and questions.” [160:27]

• Bissonnette describes direct fallout for O’Neill after the mission—moved squadrons, a major red flag.

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6. Final Thoughts & Notable Quotes

• On Tim Kennedy’s Accountability:

  “Tim has made some great strides towards becoming a better man... If he continues this, if he were to come on my show and be honest, I won’t make him grovel. The bigger thing would be for him to move forward a better man doing great things.”
  — Brent Tucker [96:59]

• On Community Reputation:

  “At the end of the day you are a representation of a tier one unit... You wear that for the rest of your life.”
  — Brent Tucker [178:48]

• On Special Operations Camaraderie:

  “The amount of respect and camaraderie there from what generations before us did... It’s just something special.”
  — Brent Tucker [04:54]

• Guest Greg Coker’s closing advice:

  “Never quit.”
  — Greg Coker [225:32]

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Notable & Memorable Moments

• Tim Kennedy’s ‘Fish Stories’ Admission [47:22]:
  “All right. 100.” (Tim’s open admission that his stories were indeed ‘embellished—lies.’)

• Brian Callan’s Sharp Mediation and Accountability [92:20]: “You do everything you can...then you do a couple things, you go, ‘I’m going to exaggerate, I’m going to lie, I’m going to embellish, I’m going to tell a fish story...’ You can’t get away with that. You’re gonna pay for that with interest... What matters more is who you are after this.”

• Bissonnette vs. O’Neill Bin Laden Narrative [134:23+, 156:00+]:

  • "Nobody talked about a second train. Nobody said there was a delay."
  • “Where’s the threat to engage? There’s... no gun.”

• Brent on Team Integrity:

  • “We talk about integrity...You shouldn’t need body cameras to tell you the truth that happened on the ground. The operators should tell you the truth that happened.” [123:59]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Setting the Table (show structure, guests, respect for 160th & SAS): 00:06 – 05:47
• Tim Kennedy Debrief & "Fish Stories" Admission: 35:49 – 97:39
• Brian Callan’s Summation / Accountability Speech: 92:11 – 93:09
• Q&A on Community, Integrity, Leadership: 99:44 – 127:47
• Rob O’Neill & the Bin Laden Raid (Bissonnette’s Account): 127:47 – 179:05
• Host & Panel Final Reflections, Advice & Humor: 221:08 – End

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Takeaways and Relevance

• The episode showcases rare public accountability inside the often-guarded special operations community.
• Kennedy receives (qualified) credit for finally facing some truths, with Brent advocating for a measured, optimistic path to redemption.
• Bissonnette’s straight talk and the hosts’ tactical logic thoroughly disassemble Rob O’Neill’s hero narrative, restoring credit to the team and placing integrity above personal branding.
• The show uniquely balances sharp critique, hard-earned respect, and brotherly humor, providing direct context and closure for critical SOF controversies.

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In the Words of the Hosts

“If you apologize about this, if you admit that you lied and you change your ways, I’ll be the first one to welcome you back in the fold.”
— Brent Tucker [96:59]

“Never quit.”
— Greg Coker [225:32]

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For special operations professionals, military enthusiasts, and the wider veteran community, this episode stands as a masterclass in accountability, candor, and the ongoing fight for the truth behind the legends.

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Transcript

[Greg Coker]

Oh,

[Brent Tucker]

we're doing it.

[Drew Hansen]

We're doing it.

[Brent Tucker]

Welcome back to another live show. It must be Thursday night. That means the Patriots have all gathered. Speaking of Patriots, we have retired CW4 Greg Coker.

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Howdy.

[Brent Tucker]

Flew was the best of the best in flying and flew the best of the best to target. Just did a recording with him.

[Greg Coker]

We'll.

[Brent Tucker]

We can talk more about that in between the breakdown videos. As always, we have Magnet flying arms over on the couch.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, Magnet.

[Magnet]

What's up?

[Brent Tucker]

And making it all happen. Drew's in the Aviator spirit.

[Tim Kennedy]

I love it.

[Brent Tucker]

I love it. Even though. Even though the 160th flies at night.

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah, True.

[Brent Tucker]

Still rocking the Aviator.

[Drew Hansen]

I wear my sunglasses at night. There's a song about.

[Greg Coker]

Yep. He's always in the dark.

[Brent Tucker]

I can't wait for it. It's going to be a big episode. It's going to be fun. We got a lot to cover, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to say some things that maybe you didn't expect me to say. Stick around, find out. Let's go, Dr. Drew, we got things rolling in right now. As we're starting. I'm gonna ask you to do something on the fly. I'm sorry. I'm sending you a picture right now. You guys will get to see this picture later if you. We do it right. Drew, can you. You know the picture I wanted? There's only one picture I want. I don't need it now. I'm just saying, you know the picture I wanted. Yeah, I just sent you another picture. Okay. Luckily, it's for the second half of the show. This is what we're going to do, guys. We're going to cover the Tim Kennedy stuff first, and then we're going to cover the Rob o' Neal things after. After the break. So if you can, I'll take that. That picture for the second half. Right.

[Drew Hansen]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. Talk a little bit more about it. One Just wanted to give you a little more background. And to Greg, like I said, he was a. A retired CW4 nicknamed Gravy.

[Greg Coker]

Gravy.

[Brent Tucker]

Where'd you get Gravy?

[Greg Coker]

From Kyle Lamb.

[Brent Tucker]

Kyle. It's a very country nickname. So I can. I can go ahead and get the correlation. If there's no backstory, I don't feel like it's a backstory needed. Unless there is one.

[Greg Coker]

Eating biscuits and gravy. It. A restaurant one morning.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. And it blew up. Blew all over my face.

[Brent Tucker]

The. The gravy blew up.

[Greg Coker]

The gravy blew up.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Let it be known, let it be said on this day is from now

[Brent Tucker]

on, Gravy did what was. Do you have a call sign or nick or nickname when. When you were flying?

[Greg Coker]

No, not really.

[Brian Callan]

Gravy,

[Brent Tucker]

Who's. I got it. Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So anyway, 22 years. 22 years. We cover. We covered it all in the. In the recording.

[Greg Coker]

From career.

[Brent Tucker]

Mediocre career. Get out of here. From high school to flight school, you spent a. We'll call. A minimal amount of time outside the 1/60, and we'll save that story for the. For the recording. But I love. I love that story of how you went over. Technically, early. Technically not early, but you went over there anyway. You're like, here I am, boys.

[Greg Coker]

What are they gonna say?

[Brent Tucker]

The worst they could say is no. Yeah, but you took a bold maneuver, and then you get. Got to spend essentially the rest of your career doing great things for. For your country. Yeah, of course. Came. Came at a price. You had. You had two or three surgeries. Four surgeries.

[Greg Coker]

Three.

[Brent Tucker]

Four, I think. How many? 51. Who's keeping count? Well, you are. 51. 51 surgeries. Golly, that's so crazy. It's so crazy. You got a couple. Couple pieces of metal body.

[Greg Coker]

49.

[Brent Tucker]

49.

[Greg Coker]

49.

[Brent Tucker]

I think. Yeah, I think. I think we can bump those numbers up. When it's all said.

[Greg Coker]

No, I'm done. I am done.

[Brent Tucker]

Doesn't matter what it is. You're just living with it from here on out.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Yep. All right. Yes, sir.

[Brent Tucker]

I get it. So if you guys. If you guys haven't noticed, it doesn't matter if. If you're in. If. If you were in. Flying me to Target or after our service is done, you get a Delta Force guy and a 1/60 guy in the same room, and there's just. I'll never. The amount of respect and the camaraderie there from what generations before us did. And the relationship, it's just. It's just something special. It is the only thing I can compare it to. And at least this relationship makes a lot more sense because it's, you know, American with American, but it's close and it's special as well. And that's our relationship with the. With the SAS and the 2. Two guys, the British guys, that's. That's another just. Just special. Special bond.

[Greg Coker]

Yep, it is.

[Brent Tucker]

But I wanted to introduce them, but I know all of you are probably waiting on the. Like I said, first half, we're gonna do Tim Kennedy. Drew, is there anything we need to get into the super chats first before we dive right into it. We might need, we might get too far behind if, if we don't.

[Drew Hansen]

Let's do.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's do super chats right off the bat.

[Drew Hansen]

All right. So he says, do you have any sympathy for Rob? He said his daughters get hate online because of your talks on him.

[Brent Tucker]

That's. It's a valid question. It is. I'm not happy that that that happens. I take no pride in that. And when that does come across my mind, I mean, Tim Kennedy has. Has as a family, too. The. The truth is. And this is what I. What I have to remind myself because, because it's true, is this is happening because of their actions. So it's, It's. It's not me doing this to them. When they chose to tell a lie about their service and when that lie gets called out and now they're embarrassed in front of their kids, am I to blame for that or are they to blame for trying to profit off of lies? Yeah, well, I mean, the, the answer is it's, it's. It's their fault. So 100. I hate that it's happening. And don't get me wrong, when they went down this road, they probably never thought about that. Like, why would you think about that? But something tells me if they should have and they should. If they, and if they did a better job of holistically thinking about this instead of just how much money can I get and get away with it, then they would have thought about that and said, I don't know, maybe this isn't worth the price. Yeah, but there you go. That's the answer to that one.

[Drew Hansen]

My question, Brent, is, well, maybe it's too personal, but who uses their kids like that as a defense?

[Greg Coker]

Good point.

[Drew Hansen]

Mechanism, you know, against, against public criticism.

[Brent Tucker]

That's just Drew that, that. That's it. That's a solid take. It really is.

[Magnet]

Who.

[Brent Tucker]

And you know, I, I, you know,

[Drew Hansen]

I kind of, you know, stick to the facts.

[Brent Tucker]

I lumped, you know, Tim Kennedy's name in with that because he has kids but never mentioned. But yeah, Tim, Tim never did that. Rob is the one who, who did that. And you're right.

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Who. Who does that?

[Drew Hansen]

Stick to the facts. What does that have to do with it?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Truthful. Set you free.

[Brent Tucker]

It's.

[Drew Hansen]

It's.

[Brent Tucker]

It's what a cor. A cornered man will. Will do some strange things.

[Matt Bissonnette]

And then.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's why.

[Drew Hansen]

So he says, who's the worst veteran you've criticized and would you change how you dealt with Rob.

[Brent Tucker]

The worst veteran I criticize, in my opinion, is probably Shrek John McPhee. And this. I mean, it's.

[Magnet]

It's my.

[Brent Tucker]

It's my opinion, you know, based off of. Of what he did. I mean, those were some. He did. Some. When it comes to the lies part of it, his lies were just as bad as anyone else's lies. I mean, lies are lies. But to hide, you know, getting fired from the unit to hide. Getting fired from the army to hide getting your special forces tab revoked. You probably didn't know all.

[Greg Coker]

All this.

[Brent Tucker]

He got demoted from sergeant Major. What would you have to do in the army so heinous to get all of that done to you? Well, I don't. I don't want to say it here. YouTube already hates me enough, but you could. You could do some pretty heinous things to. To a female.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

When she was not awake.

[Magnet]

And that would.

[Brent Tucker]

So that. That. That puts him on my list.

[Magnet]

Oh.

[Brent Tucker]

Second half of that was, would I do something different with Rob?

[Brian Callan]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

Was that the question? Yeah, yeah, no, I answered it. Sorry. Okay, thank you.

[Drew Hansen]

All right, so he says, how does the soft community view you criticizing vets like Rob? And then your view on Brian Callan. It was nice you shared respectful post about him on Patreon. Refreshing to see respect between people who disagree.

[Andy Stumpf]

Sure.

[Brent Tucker]

Ironically enough, the only hate I get is from, like, outside the soft community or. Or from civilians who don't understand.

[Greg Coker]

Don't understand.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, the soft community, they love what I did. Not only because they knew it the whole time, so it wasn't a surprise to them. I think it came to a surprise to certain civilians who put these people up on. On a. On a pedestal. So to them, it's kind of rocking their world. Yeah, but to the veteran community, like, yeah, we.

[Andy Stumpf]

We.

[Brent Tucker]

We knew that the whole time this guy just said it, who had a platform. So Veter community has been very, very good to me about that, which is really the only ones I really care about you to. To some degree. And Brian Callen. We'll talk about it here in just a little bit. When I break down this video, I have nothing but good things to say about Brian Callan. I think Brian Callen was put into a very hard predicament as a comedian to have to be the, you know, the mediator. The mediator of. Of what's going on. And Tim. Tim asked him to do that. And. And he even said, I don't really have the back sometimes. He was like, you'll See it. I don't really have the background to do this. So I don't know. I don't know what to. To do with this. So should. Brian himself should get nothing but kudos. But he was a poor choice to do this. And that's nothing against Brian. Brian. And you know, and I said this before. Brian's has either mentioned me or referred to me several times. And Tim is a very good friend of his. And if he wanted to come out and say something really negative about me, I would understand. Like, I wouldn't. That's, that's a, that's a natural response when someone attacks your friend to be like, who are you? You know, you piece of crap. Whatever it is, what gives you the right? Right? Brian has always been very easy, even Keel about this. And he's never said anything bad about me. He's been a straight shooter this, this whole time. And, and I, and I, and I appreciate, I really do appreciate that about Brian.

[Drew Hansen]

Your view. I'm sorry. What makes for a great troop sergeant major and same for a troop commander. What is the relationship usually like between the two?

[Brent Tucker]

It's so easy to be a great troop sergeant major. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to do anything. You just have to watch the boys work and say, good job, boys. Do you, do you need anything from me? That's all you got to do. It's easiest job in the world. Flow is posted, right? Yeah. It's all, that's all you got to do. It's a, it's a, it's a. I never got to do it, but it's a, it's a great job.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Same for a troop commander. What makes a great troop, that's very different. What makes a great troop commander is knowing enough to know that you don't know everything. And let me lean on that troop sergeant major and that troop sergeant major will make you a good, true commander again. It's actually, it's easy. It's easy and it's tough to watch people screw it up because it's so, it's so easy. And their relationship is you. And if, and if both of them do that, it's usually pretty good.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

The relationship between the two.

[Drew Hansen]

Jonathan, Jonathan Tubbs says Brent Tom Satterley said that he never knew his status with Delta until he swiped his badge daily. And it said green or red. Was that practice still in place for you? And was yours ever red? Ro Tide from Barnesville, Georgia?

[Brent Tucker]

So that's a, that's a joke. But Also call it like a truth joke. And, and you guys would be similar. That absolutely could happen. It's very, very rare. Usually if you did something, you did something wrong, you have to go into the building because someone's going to tell you that you messed up. So it's actually really, really rare. And it's usually more of a joke where that we say, it says, well, glad my, glad my card worked this morning. So could it happen if, if it happened to him.

[Magnet]

Happened.

[Brent Tucker]

But it'd be, it'd be very rare. So like I said, you got to get inside the building to take your medicine.

[Greg Coker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

So, yeah, there you go on that. And yes. Oh, by the way, mine, mine always worked till the day I left.

[Drew Hansen]

All right, Solely back in again. And I believe solely has asked this on previous lives. I could be wrong, but it sounds very familiar. New Zealand SAS said in show first among equals. They'd have prime ministers next to targets and shoot targets fast with live rounds. Gave PM's big confidence in SAS skills. Should Delta do this fetus seal Team 6 said it's dumb.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know if we should be putting, you know, their prime minister's equivalent of our president for. We should be putting our president in a seat to shoot live rounds by his head just, just to show that we're good enough. I think there's other ways to show that we're good enough. So, yeah, I don't. To say that it's dumb, I think is a little strong, like heavy handed. But to say that it's necessary, I don't believe that is necessary.

[Greg Coker]

I don't either.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that'd be. And yeah, I just don't. But they're a smaller country and there's, you know, other things that, you know, that might be easier. It's just, I don't think it's something

[Drew Hansen]

we need to do.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Drew Hansen]

So he says, your idea of fair punishment for TK Robin McPhee. And then he says, drew, can you pray for my enemies to never experience the cold side of a pillow

[Greg Coker]

and

[Drew Hansen]

for Delta to be number one tier one unit instead of number two after 22 SAs.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's the thing. And I appreciate the question because it allows me, I think, I think the people understand me a little bit better. It's, it's not, it's not my job to, to, to see what a fair punishment is, is for them. That's to some reason. Yeah, I felt, I felt like it was my job to maintain integrity within the veteran community. But I'm not a judge. Jury Executioner at the same time. That's, that's for the public to decide whether you guys want to continue to support them. And, and I say the public to decide. I'd like to, I'd like to believe in a perfect world would have happened is I would have brought the facts out. Of course this didn't really happen and it kind of happened. We're about to talk about it.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Is I bring the facts out and like hey, you're caught and you're caught absolutely red handed. Naive me to some degree thought they would go oh no, I've been caught world. I'm sorry. Yeah, I shouldn't have done that. I'm sorry. And then there would really be no need for punishment. Change your ways. Go off and do great things. But that, that didn't really happen that way. So really their, their only punishment per se is. Is what the American people decide to do with, with, with their support to them. And that's about all you can do.

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah. Let's see. The real Justin says Jizro the super seal wants to grab Grift Kennedy's sack of grenades while Shrek the sheriff inserts as a singlet lines.

[Brent Tucker]

That seems like a movie the Onion should produce. I'd watch it.

[Drew Hansen]

Oh yeah, just another 11B says getting in earlyish because I'm covering a call off on one of my posts. I'll be listening until 8:30 then watching. If you're later than 8:30, do push ups.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes, that's the 11 Bravo with a bunch.

[Magnet]

Nice.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

And he said add Allison chains. What the hell have I for the outro?

[Brent Tucker]

You got it.

[Magnet]

Is he at another country bar?

[Brent Tucker]

You got it.

[Drew Hansen]

So that's $70.

[Brent Tucker]

We'll. Oh, we'll put them together. Okay. You got it.

[Drew Hansen]

Allison changed cuz I think the outro was afterthought.

[Greg Coker]

He.

[Drew Hansen]

I bet you he sent that $50 super chat and went oh crap, I didn't do an outro.

[Brent Tucker]

What the hell have I. Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it.

[Drew Hansen]

Hey, Baggy says ma holo to Six's mom. The maku. Why do y' all do this to me?

[Brent Tucker]

I love it.

[Drew Hansen]

The makuahein of the patreon. So I guess that's mother for in Hawaii.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Magnet]

I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

Even though I won't do that actually, we'll just say someone let me know who actually uses their kids in a fight and it's the Taliban. That's not wrong. The correlation hits a little home. Yes. So if you're wondering who Uses their kids in a. In a fight. Verbal or physical or God the Taliban does. Yeah.

[Magnet]

So.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Al Qaeda.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Hansen]

Okay. All right. Gooch Parmesan says I lied in the team aar this afternoon to make it here in time for the guest.

[Brent Tucker]

Apparently it happens sometimes. I mean, not that I'm aware of.

[Brian Callan]

You've.

[Brent Tucker]

You've probably been in a couple debriefs after. After some. After some. Some tough flights. Well, you probably. Good flights, bad flights. You guys debrief them all.

[Greg Coker]

Every one of them.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. Leave your feelings at the door.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Usually debriefs are longer than the flight.

[Brent Tucker]

And how. How many of those debriefs have. Have you lied in?

[Greg Coker]

Oh, gosh, none.

[Brent Tucker]

None.

[Greg Coker]

None.

[Brent Tucker]

Maybe that's just you. How many. How many pilots did you talk to afterwards and be like, you know, you know, you lied in that. But that's okay.

[Magnet]

We're going.

[Brent Tucker]

We're going to help cover this lie up. How many times you talk. Other pilots helping them lie in their debrief?

[Greg Coker]

All of them.

[Brent Tucker]

So it's just you. You're. You're the. The only one with integrity. I like that. That's why you're on the show. That's why they didn't get an invite. That's why they didn't get an invite.

[Brian Callan]

Some.

[Brent Tucker]

Tell me something tells me no One at the 160th lies through debrief.

[Matt Bissonnette]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Which is pretty standard for a Tier one unit. Who's. Who always wants to know the best become better.

[Greg Coker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

Real, you know, learn for their mistakes to what. It's what we do. Well, we'll get into that in a little bit.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Tim Kennedy]

What's up?

[Magnet]

ABC and NBC has. Is denying to play the speech tonight.

[Brent Tucker]

No way. So just this, Justin, I. I told Magnus said, hey, Magnet, Trump's Speaking at. At 9pm At 9pm can you make sure to. I got a link to cover that. Okay, so we will keep you updated on whatever Trump has to say. Something tells me, even though he was told about this and he refused to move his time slot, but I'm sure someone's like, hey, Mr. President, you may not want to do this. The Tier 1 Live is also on at 9 o' clock, and it's really going to pull a lot of views from you, but.

[Drew Hansen]

Sounds about right.

[Brent Tucker]

But he's. He's going up against the Juggernaut. He's about to find out he should have moved that. But don't worry, Will keep you up to date. Thank you, Magnet. All right, let's keep Going drew boys.

[Drew Hansen]

Right wing, not says boys. We had a U. S. Marshal here in Louisiana killed this week serving a warrant. Fugitive TF task force task force. So my son is on the task force. But further south, Drew Hansen had a wife and two small kids. Piece of crap sex offender. Killed him, man.

[Greg Coker]

Did they kill him?

[Brent Tucker]

Man, I hope so.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Gosh, that is. You know, we, we, we talked about it a little bit in, in yours. You know, anytime you're going after bad guys, the risk is, is never zero. It doesn't matter how good you are. It doesn't matter how fast your helicopter is. It doesn't matter how little and versatile and agile it is, how high it is, how high it is. Your, your, your, your bird got shot down and you guys had to pay that price because it's. I said the bad guys get a vote too.

[Greg Coker]

They do.

[Brent Tucker]

And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're in a fugitive task force or overseas fighting bad guys, the good guys come out on top a lot of times. And I think that's why it hurts so, so much. Because the good guys are supposed to win. Because that's what the good guys do. They win a lot. And the good guys win a lot.

[Greg Coker]

We win a lot.

[Brent Tucker]

But the few times, the few times the bad guys get lucky. It hurts.

[Greg Coker]

It hurts.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, it hurts. And especially, especially on that. No, no one's. There's two people that are very deserving this world of, of getting to see their maker. Whether they believe that was their maker or not, they've realized soon after leaving this earth who their maker is.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's terrorist. And on top of terrorist, I would put the guy that they were going after.

[Brian Callan]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

That's the most despicable people on earth.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, terrible.

[Magnet]

Because he would have been flying Airwolf though.

[Greg Coker]

There you go. Airwolf could have gone inverted.

[Magnet]

Right?

[Greg Coker]

Air metals dangling in my face.

[Magnet]

So.

[Greg Coker]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

Anybody who says that any police force ought to be defunded, ought to be dragged down the road and kicked in the nuts.

[Brent Tucker]

That's such a short sighted. Defund the police. Anti police don't listen. It's so short sighted. Yeah, those same idiots. The first sign of trouble. Who are they calling?

[Magnet]

The police.

[Drew Hansen]

The cops.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

911 OG Bobby says thank you for everything you do. I can't stop watching. Listening to your stuff all time. Favorite podcast, Furry from the sky.

[Brent Tucker]

Is it fury?

[Matt Bissonnette]

Fury.

[Drew Hansen]

My bad, my bad. That's a fury. I was a little confused.

[Brent Tucker]

Someone clipped that.

[Drew Hansen]

I was a little confused myself.

[Brent Tucker]

Greg, welcome to the Tier One podcast.

[Greg Coker]

Look at the time.

[Drew Hansen]

Thank you, Bobby.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Furry.

[Brent Tucker]

You ever consider yourself just furry in the sky? In the sky. Fury. Fury. Like a fur ball. So, so close, Drew. I get it.

[Magnet]

It's.

[Brent Tucker]

It could happen to anyone.

[Drew Hansen]

It's just funny, but it mostly happens to me.

[Greg Coker]

Giddy up.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, boy. Here we go.

[Drew Hansen]

Marika. Captain Glory says, happy Thursday, gents. Any plans to have DJ on show? PS Bisonettes got them crazy eyes.

[Brent Tucker]

Have those crazy cheers. He does have those crazy eyes a little bit. I'll tell you this. When you talk to people's teammates, it just says a lot about them. In fact, I'll go ahead of the show and I'll talk about all three people. Essentially, we're going to talk about, you know, Tim Kennedy, Rob o', Neill, Matt Bissonette. It just. At least it says something about them. You can say whatever you want about Tim Kennedy. You'd be right. But you know what? When I called all his teammates and said, hey, I'm not looking for you to. I'm not looking for a certain. I'm just looking for the truth. And I have some questions for you. And they. They asked me, almost all of them. Almost all of them said, man, I kind of hate to do this because Tim's a really nice guy. Tim's a really good guy. Tim was a good teammate. And so that says something about him that, you know, that needs to be. To be put out.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

When I talked to people about Matt Bissonnette, because I still have to kind of, you know, confirm his story as well, I heard various things. As far as what he said was the truth. What he said was the closest thing to the truth, like, you know, things like that, but all pointing towards his version being either the truth or really, really close truth. And. And they would always. Then they would always go, but let me tell you about Matt. Matt was a great operator. Matt was a killer.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Matt.

[Brent Tucker]

Matt was a great shooter. He was great on target. They always said very good things about Matt. We'll just say Rob was different.

[Drew Hansen]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

We'll just say.

[Drew Hansen]

Don't say this.

[Brent Tucker]

We'll just say Rob was different. Yeah.

[Magnet]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

What else we got?

[Drew Hansen]

The real Justin back in again. Wants to say it again. Jizzra the super seal wants to grab Grift Kennedy's second grenades while Shrek the Sheriff inserts as a singleton from behind his lines.

[Brian Callan]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

All right. We read some Rangers in there, too.

[Drew Hansen]

You paid it, we read it. All right, eagle1ac says, shout out to Drew Love You, Brent. Hello, Chat. Thank you, Bird J. All zero says Brent. Annie Stump did a great episode with Matt Cole, author of Code Over Country. Can you have Seth Harp on to talk on Fort Bragg Cartel Billy, etc.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm a pretty nice guy, but I don't know if I could have Seth Harp sitting that. Sit in that seat. The way he disparaged and lied about the unit with a. He wrote the book Fort Bragg Cartel and just utter, utter lies about the unit that took me off my. Oh, Matt. Cold though. I'll tell you this. I keep, I keep personal conversations personal. I don't mind telling people I had conversations, but, you know, what was said, you know, stays between us. I did have Matt Cole, I did call him on the phone and I'm a little surprised with all the, the work he did looking into the. The, the crimes of Seal Team 6. I don't know if you ever heard of that book or the Code Over Country. He's done a couple things that were kind of tell all kind of exposing the bad culture of Seal Team 6. And I've said it. Some of the things he may be right about and he didn't do it in like a liberal way. It was kind of a factual way.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

And. But some of the. He just viewed as bad. And I'll. And I'll. I'll just say this. The.

[Brian Callan]

We.

[Brent Tucker]

We talked about this in the garage. You know, the wedding party thing.

[Andy Stumpf]

That.

[Brent Tucker]

That's just. That's a war thing like that. That's. That's the fog of war that happens that. I don't think that's a. You can't blame Seal Team 6 for that.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

Some of the culture of being. We'll just say it overly aggressive on targets with things like that, hey, that's, that's savage and it's illegal. But I, I get it.

[Brian Callan]

I'm not.

[Brent Tucker]

I get it. But there are, there's some other things that he did. He was right about and it was great to talk to him. I can't believe after everything that I've covered with Rob o' Neill that I haven't talked to Matt. Matt Cole, because Matt said everything that I said about Rob o' Neill way before me, and it was in his book and he got that from his sources that were there. But for some reason, Matt Cole isn't getting sued for $25 billion. So I don't know. Interesting. But yeah, hopefully he has a new book coming out and so hopefully we can get him on the show. I'd love to have him on the show. Yeah, he did. He did. He was one who did the article for. It wasn't really big news, but it's kind of big news in the special ops community. Do you remember when the story got leaked about the SEAL Team 6 mission that was doing that. That covert insert onto the North Korean.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Shores. And then they killed some. Some people. You know, I think they were putting a device on fishermen. Yeah. Kind of killed some fishermen. Aborted left crazy mission.

[Drew Hansen]

He.

[Brent Tucker]

He wrote. He wrote about that. He's doing. He's doing. He. I believe is. I don't know if he's announced this yet, so I don't want to. I don't want to put it out in case he hasn't said what his book is a about. But yeah, he's got a really interesting book coming out and so hopefully we'll have him here in October.

[Greg Coker]

Cool.

[Drew Hansen]

Bo from the great state of Texas.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Thank you for the love, man. He says they say the truth always catches up. Looks like it's Brent's turn for vindication. Proud to call you brother. Keep doing what you do. Those who know no de oppresso liberation.

[Magnet]

That is Bo.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's the guy. I said, I told you. I said, you know what? Greg could be Bo's dad. He was a guy from 10th group. One of the Q course together. Another great Texan.

[Andy Stumpf]

Cool.

[Brent Tucker]

Great refers to him. Not Texas. Nothing against Texas. Nothing against it. But you know. Yeah. I, I lean towards Florida.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But yeah. And he was guest number one on. On our. On our show. Yeah, he was great dude. Great dude.

[Drew Hansen]

And remember 50 for the fallen and

[Brent Tucker]

I was telling you about the 50 for the fallen event in. Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

So.

[Brent Tucker]

And there's another chance for us to plug it. We'll be there. Guys. Go to 54thefallen.com. That's 50ftf.com.org.org Geesh. Thank you, Drew. Yep. It's a non profit. Should be a. Chances are it's a dot org and come hang out with us. And I don't use the word celebrate, but let's not forget.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Let's honor.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's honor.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

September 11th. What better place to do it on its 25th anniversary than right there in the heart of New York City, Regardless of who their mayor is.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

If he allows it.

[Brent Tucker]

Some tells me he's not going to be a guest speaker.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Hansen]

Steve says spent many years hiking and hunting in Montana National Forest, Otter Creek and Mozart Mountain area. Best wild animal story from the long walk. I have seen a lot of different game in those mountain laurel patches.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't see. I didn't see any wildlife while I was there. But then again, it's kind of hard to see wildlife when you're moving out at the high rate of speed that I was moving out at.

[Drew Hansen]

Blur.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, the slower guys are going to see wildlife. You know, they're out there strolling, taking pictures. Yeah, yeah. Not me. I'm moving like a deer. Okay. Like a rabbit deer up and down the mountain.

[Drew Hansen]

The wildlife he saw might have been you.

[Brent Tucker]

Look at that gazelle. Oh, I wish that were the truth.

[Magnet]

At least you weren't getting chased by a basic bison.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, but I do know of other guys that did get chased by bears. And. And it sucks to hear those stories because there's. If you think about it, essentially there's two ways you can be chased on Azmuth, and at the end of the day, that's kind of a good thing. Like you're gonna make good time or back Azmuth, and now you're gonna lose a bunch of time. And I don't. I don't know what.

[Magnet]

I don't.

[Matt Bissonnette]

It's.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know what we would do for a guy that's like, hey, I'm like 30 minutes late because I got chased by a bear. But that would be. That would suck.

[Magnet]

You see the bison video?

[Greg Coker]

Oh, the.

[Brent Tucker]

The man that flipped into the air with the bison all over the Internet. Oh, man, he got launched.

[Greg Coker]

Buffalo.

[Brent Tucker]

Absolutely. Launch. You know, there's. There's a. There's a bison here in Florida. Like, they're smaller, but we have them here in Florida. I think there's one out there by Christmas. Y.

[Drew Hansen]

There's a pasture out there.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm tell you, they're one of my favorite animals. If I can get some land, I'm telling you, I'm putting a big headed bison on that land.

[Magnet]

I'm going to shoot it and eat it.

[Brent Tucker]

You're not invited. All right. You're not invited.

[Magnet]

You won't know I'm there.

[Brent Tucker]

What's next?

[Greg Coker]

G. Pressure.

[Drew Hansen]

JB says for a SWAT team clearing a standard US home during the day, not hr that's on methodically pying doorways in a linear hallway. Thoughts on that? Does the number of open doors change your answer? If so, why sure.

[Brent Tucker]

There's a lot to unpack there. Because it really has to do is of who is this guy? Do we. Do we think he's armed and dangerous like that?

[Tim Kennedy]

That.

[Brent Tucker]

That changes your tactics? It absolutely does. Hallways. Hallways are bad.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And I would go fast in a hallway because it's bad. However, the deeper I get down this hallway and we still haven't found them means at some point you are going to run into him. But really, it's almost. And I don't know how the situation of the hallway is. If there's a bunch of opposing doors. Now we have opposing threats. That's a problem. Are they further staggered? If they're staggered, as I get to the end, it's at least an option to me. If, If I want to slow down, do I have a shield? I got a lot of questions, but those are things I'm. I'm thinking about and I'm going through, through my matrix of, okay, I am going to slow down at some point if we don't run into them, and this is why. And when I'm going to slow down. If we're at the very end of the hallway and it's the very last door, and we know this guy is an absolutely menaceous society and wants to kill a cop. Yeah, I'm probably gonna pie off that. That last door with. With a shield.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yep.

[Drew Hansen]

All right, it's 8:36. If you. We want to take care of the first hour business.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you. I was thinking the same thing. Let's, let's. Let's get to it. Got to give the people what they want.

[Magnet]

What do they want?

[Brent Tucker]

They want me to break down this Tim Kennedy thing. All right, let me set the stage just real quick. And this part, obviously, we're not going to watch the whole thing. I just kind of went to the meat and potatoes of it, which is really in the middle of the interview right now. Brian is essentially telling him, or Tim selling Brian about, hey, what is a deployment? And he's basically saying, you know, there were guys out there who were lobbying, you know, these allegations against me and said that I barely deployed, but I deployed a lot. I. When I said I deployed dozens of times. Dozens.

[Greg Coker]

Dozens.

[Brent Tucker]

Let me tell you what I meant by that is like, if, you know, if I. If I went to a combat zone working for an NGO and I deployed to that combat zone, is that a deployment? Well, I will help you out, Tim. The answer is no. If. If. And. And he's asking this question, and here's the thing. I believe he truly believes this. So it's a weird thing. Is it a lie? Is it an embellishment? If that's what you truly believe? I'm not certain that that in Tim's mind he thinks any differently. And I'm not going to do this on everything, but I'm, I, I'm telling you, I'm going to be fair on this. And so when Tim says if I, I just, if, if my company deploys me to Belgium to work with the Belgian special operations unit, is that a deployment? Well, here's the answer to that. Technically, that's a deployment. Yes, Technic, because you were deployed. But here's the problem. Everything has to do with context. Right. If me and you are talking about our experiences in combat, right. And we're, and we're talking about firefights, and then I tell you, oh, I should know. I've deployed 10 times to Afghanistan.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Or you know, I said to Afghanistan, so that's that I should know. I deployed 10 times. What am I, what, what am I inferring that I've deployed combat compliance 10 times? The, the context of what he was talking about, when he was talking about it had to do with combat experience. So when you say deployments, he was talking about combat deployments. So it was an easy reference that he's talking about combat deployments. By the way, I don't, I don't count. I just don't. Because when I say deployments, it's understood. Deployments really, to the veteran community.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Really means one thing. Combat deployments.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

No one cares that I went to South America. And, and then here's another thing that, that he brings up. And we'll get to it here in just a second. We can get ahead of it just for a second. He did some contracting gigs. Now here's where it gets into a gray area. I'm gonna play devil's advocate just for a second. Here's where it gets into a gray area. Are contracting gigs into Afghanistan or Iraq? Should they. This is an honest question to you, not leading at all. This honest question. You. Should they be counted as your deployment total when you have combat deployments, or should you say, or should they be split up differently?

[Greg Coker]

Split.

[Brent Tucker]

Absolutely they should. In my opinion. Yes, they should be split differently. And here's the big reason why most people don't know this. Now there's a very, very, very, very, very small percentage that's a little bit different with some three letter, Three letter agencies.

[Greg Coker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

But contractors do not go offensive. They're not kinetic. They cannot be. They're not a part of the military. They are hired by that particular company, that company owns them. And Northrop Grumman can't send a kill team to Afghanistan. Now if, let's say you're working for A three letter agency. And that three letter agency does have the authority to go connect. Well, you're working under that. And that's what I mean by the very, very, very small, small portion of it. So the only thing you're doing is logistical or defensive work and the restrictions, protection. And if the risk isn't the same and you're doing it for a lot more money, it's a. It is a different title. You're not doing it for your love of money. Oh, gosh. You're not doing it for your love of country.

[Magnet]

That's like you doing the stuff for the Sentinel Foundation.

[Brian Callan]

Right?

[Magnet]

Those aren't deployments.

[Brent Tucker]

Should I now add my Ukraine trips as my deployment? Russia was there.

[Greg Coker]

All our td.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Did I deploy?

[Brent Tucker]

So this is what this conversation is that, that we're about to, to roll into. So let's, let's do it, Drew. And by the way, for like the first five, three, four minutes or so, we're going to put it on two speed because it's, it's, it's kind of too much to cover and you guys should be able to handle it at two speed.

[Brian Callan]

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[Brent Tucker]

That is fire.

[Drew Hansen]

Whoa, that's good.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Drew Hansen]

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[Brent Tucker]

I'm rocking with it. Okay, try it for yourself. Starbucks refreshers concentrates are coming home.

[Brian Callan]

Find them in the coffee aisle and make it yours. Organizations were not humanitarian.

[Tim Kennedy]

Some were not.

[Brian Callan]

Some were. Some were, but some were.

[Tim Kennedy]

Some humanitarian missions were.

[Brian Callan]

Can I say this much? We have to. Can I say this much? Okay, I'm just say this. There were a number of times you went overseas not with Green Berets, where your activities were not humanitarian. They were not. They were not for public. They were not for publicity. They were in a kinetic capacity. They were. They were where you were in a combat capacity.

[Tim Kennedy]

Absolutely true. That's probably been.

[Brian Callan]

And by the way, that's been up

[Tim Kennedy]

until rather recently, 75% of my work.

[Brian Callan]

75% of your work. So. Okay, I just want to get that out there. And that's what I kept saying to you, Tim. I was like, is there a way to get the people that are very critical, is there a way to. How do they not know that part of the story? Do they not know that part of the story? What they seem to be guys where. Some of these guys are tier one guys. They got everybody's friends with everybody.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, so let's, let's address this Just, just real quick now of that very Very small part that that goes Kinetic. I, in fairness, I knew, I knew Tim did some contracting work. I didn't know to what extent. And my podcast was never over his contracting work because he didn't write it in the book. And so I didn't feel a need to. To cover it. He don't really talk about it a lot publicly. And so if I don't really know why in his, like, I'm. I'm coming clean, like, where he talks about that, other than to kind of hype himself up about it. And, and I get it, like, to some degrees, like, hey, like, I did. I did. I did more than just that. So I don't. I'm not saying that it was unfair for, for him to bring this up, but for. And Brian wouldn't know this. I don't know about it. I didn't cover it. I didn't. I didn't care. Wasn't Valor only is. Is. Is only accredited to your military experience, generally speaking.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And that's the only thing that, that, that mattered to me. I'll say this. Since that episode, it wasn't a lot of time, but I reached out to all of my friends that some of them been doing. I can kind of over one hand, like 10 and 15 years of contracting work.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And I said, hey, I just want to know, do you or anyone you know, have you ever worked with Tim Kennedy as a contractor? And they, and they all said, no, that doesn't mean that he hasn't contract. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying. And he, and you can't hide him. Like, if you worked with Tim Kennedy on a contract, you would know. You would know it. So I, I did that because the people I reached out to would know about certain people that do kinetic or can do kinetic operations, and they've. And they don't know about them. That's not 100% saying, well, Tim, Ken's lying about this. That is not what I'm saying. No, but Brian is right. If you want me to know about that, well, then, then tell me. Tell you tell me tell. You know, tell the world. And this is that I have a little bit of a problem with. He's gonna go, well, it was, it was real sensitive. I can't really talk about that. Well, you wrote a book about the SIF company working for JSOC and going after high value targets like Zarqawi, and you mentioned the Delta Force being on the same task force. So if you can talk about that. But you draw the line at contracting.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. Come on, man.

[Drew Hansen]

You also wrote you did war crimes.

[Brent Tucker]

So, so that's. So that it doesn't make sense to me. And then Brian even says, hey, like you told me, like, why won't you tell the world? Yeah, well, now I have another take on it. If you can, and this is not a slight on Brian, don't get me, but if you can tell a comedian, you told a comedian.

[Greg Coker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

But you can't.

[Greg Coker]

No clue.

[Brent Tucker]

That's no clue. But you're not going to tell the world. Well, I. I don't. You know, what do you. What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do with that? You know, so, you know, maybe I'll find out more and be like, hey, believe it or not, I've. I've never been too proud to say. To say I'm wrong, but I'm just saying, gathered with the evidence that I have, I. I don't. It's not. It's not looking good. I'll. I'll just say that. All right, let's. Let's see what else we got.

[Tim Kennedy]

Maybe they're not, and I don't know, man. I'm very, very, very intentional, and I will not. I think, like, the veteran hate on hate thing is a travesty, and I haven't participated in it whatsoever, and I'm totally out of it.

[Brent Tucker]

This is the only time where I know it's going to stop. Real quick, back to back. But I have to address this. Nothing is worse than you calling it veteran hate on hate. This is veteran accountability. Like, I didn't do this because I hate you or because I hate other successful veterans.

[Greg Coker]

Sure.

[Brent Tucker]

If that was true, why would I just pick out you and not pick out David Goggins?

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Or if. If you can go down the list, if that were true, why didn't I go start a fight with Evan Haer? Yeah, you know, this. There's a lot of. Because this isn't just random hate. This is calling out the truth.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And what's worse is he calls it, you know, veteran hate on hate here, but if you keep rolling it, he's now about to kind of accept his fate of like, oh, yeah, I lied. So. So it's not just veteran eight on eight.

[Drew Hansen]

Well, when you're on the wrong side of accountability, you want to stay out

[Brent Tucker]

of it, so you're right. Yeah. Yeah, I bet you would want to stay out of it. But okay, let's. Let's see what else he says.

[Tim Kennedy]

And the guys that, you know, were being critical of me, they'd have every right to be. Some of their criticisms were, were founded in mistakes, overstatements, inaccuracies. You and my Life through Color lenses. Like all of the things, especially like when you're at the top, you know, and you're writing a book and it's super exciting. You're carried away with a moment and Absolutely. Big fish stories.

[Brian Callan]

Okay, so. Okay, let's talk about that. So there were some fish stories told. Oh, yeah. And I can just see people going, call it as lies, embellishments, exaggerations.

[Tim Kennedy]

All right, 100.

[Brian Callan]

Okay, so that's, that's a big admission.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brian Callan]

Then. And I think it's really important to at least, like, dilate on that, because if that's the case, then whatever you, the price you're paying is worth, like, you kind of deserve it. Yes.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

This is where earlier I gave Brian a bunch of kudos. I mean, again, I'm going to be as fair as I can about this. And people are really upset about Tim calling it fish stories. I. I don't know what it is. And sometimes, like, maybe you, you find. I just, it just. I have a feeling he's getting maybe some advice from people. Or maybe he's worried about sponsors. Maybe he's worried about his book deal coming back on him. If he says, like, hey, I lied. Yeah, like there may be some legitimate concern, he's like, well, let me call it fish stories. But of course, the, the problem with that is the source a fish stories. Like, hey, I caught a, I caught a five pound bass, but I'm telling everyone it's an eight pound bass. Like that. That's an exaggeration.

[Greg Coker]

Sure.

[Brent Tucker]

The problem is, is not some of them were fish stories. I don't like that term. But hey, it is a term and everyone understands what it means, which is why I don't. They just. Fish stories wasn't the problem. No, there were fish stories for sure. Some were fish stories and some were just lies.

[Greg Coker]

Lies.

[Brent Tucker]

But Brian comes out and holds him. A comedian comes out and says, hey, let's just call it what it is. It's. It's lies. And then Tim goes, yeah, yeah. So let's just take a step back for a second and there will be some things that I will be fair and I will call out on here. But let me tell you, Tim just admitted to lying in his book. And don't get this twisted. I'm not sitting here celebrating, like, look, I told you, he's a liar. We we're beating a dead horse with that. Everyone, everyone knows that that is a form of accountability, even though people may not like it and they're going to say, hey, well, he kind of got pushed into using that word. He agreed with it. And God, I mean, what do you, the Internet, nothing, nothing will ever be good enough for the Internet. No, it really doesn't matter what he did, you know, outside of just completely falling on his face and just going line by line in his book and going, page 37, lie, page 42. This was a lie. And to some people, maybe he should have done that. But again, I'm, I'm not the jury on what I'm not, I'm not the judge. And what apology or what confession or what is, is good enough. I can say what's kind of good enough for me. And I'm not telling you, hey, this is my opinion. So what I say, all you guys should, should fall in line. It's not, it's not what I'm saying. But I started this. I started this. And I'm telling you, you, to me, you do have to grade people on a curve just a little bit. And I'm going to give him grace and go, you know what? At the beginning of my Tim Kennedy episode, I said, hey, if you apologize about this, if you admit that you lied and you change your ways, I'll be the first one to welcome you back in the fold. I said that. And I never said this is how he has to apologize. I never said this is how it has to happen. I just said, if you did it, did it. And so there is some, I don't know, what's the word I'm looking for? But some, you know, my conscience is hitting me a little bit going, hey, like you said, that you didn't exactly have the terms of agreements. And then when he does come out and say it, you're going to also be the one that Dog piles on and says, not good enough. Yeah, not good enough. So anyway, I know that's a little bit of a rant, but I've done a lot of talking negative about Tim Kennedy and he's given me something to talk positive about him. And I would, I would be the jerk that some people think I am if I didn't do that.

[Magnet]

When you originally did it, you didn't do the whole book.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't even do the whole book. I never did the pull out of Afghanistan. I never did some of the earlier stories with I, I, I ended up covering some of his earlier stories. Eventually, but I, I. It was mainly. It was without a doubt mainly focused on his combat operations.

[Magnet]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, let's. Let's keep going.

[Brian Callan]

Drew, you don't get with anything. Like, at the end of the day, you know, we get carried away. We have a tendency. Everything's working out for us to think we're one of God's favorites. This is where God chin checks you. I mean, as I get older, I become more religious.

[Tim Kennedy]

Man, you experience that pretty.

[Brian Callan]

You get ch. Minute you start thinking that you're. You're, you know, you're the guy. God goes, excuse me. Are you thinking that you're the responsible for all your success here?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh.

[Brian Callan]

Oh, you're your own God. That's it.

[Andy Stumpf]

And.

[Brian Callan]

And you should. And that's a really big and important thing to dilate on here, because I want to. I got just some of the questions and I think, you know, again.

[Tim Kennedy]

List.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. He's about to get into the list, and we'll go by, you know, down these one by one. But again, I tell you what, I tell you why I think I have some. Some reasons to be positive about Tim Kennedy. He has a friend like Brian Callan that is, again, I couldn't be any more impressed with a guy who's doing a good job of holding. He's. He's already said it before. He said, hey, I'm. We're good friends. The way he pushed back and attempted to hold Tim accountable was. Was admirable.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And magnet. Don't you think?

[Magnet]

Can I say what he didn't have on the list?

[Brent Tucker]

The Purple Heart. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There are some things he didn't have on the list. But, but overall, if, If. If Brian stays and people like Brian are. Are surrounding Tim, and we'll. We'll give him good advice and he'll do it.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I think there's. There's some, you know, there's. There's some, Some hope, you know, after that. And, and again. And if some people just expect him to make the full change right off the bat, maybe. Yeah, maybe that's just. Maybe that's too much, you know, and maybe this does come in increments. I, I don't know. I. But if it is going to get better and better, I know this is a good start.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

May not be good enough. It's a good start. Let's go down. Let's go down this list.

[Brian Callan]

Star with valor device. And you falsely claimed or implied in the 2017 interview that you see the Bronze Star metal with V for valor. Yeah. A device for combat heroism when official records show you received the Bronze Star without it for meritorious leaders. Now, I want to talk about that. One of the things that I. That I saw, one of the things that I also remember several times, put some clips together. I don't know why you put out, but dude. So one of the things, over and over again, I saw a compilation of you in interviews, big interviews, Fox, all that, where they said he said he won a Bronze Star with V for valor. And you would say, I want to correct the record. I never got a V for valor.

[Tim Kennedy]

You said that I don't know how many times. 100,000 times.

[Brian Callan]

It was literally that much.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yes.

[Brian Callan]

Okay, so, so, but in. Again, you're the worst with this.

[Tim Kennedy]

But I also, like, stepped. I put my foot in my mouth in a 27 interview. I was. I was on a phone call with

[Brian Callan]

this podcast you did.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I don't know.

[Brian Callan]

You're the worst.

[Tim Kennedy]

This is 10 years ago.

[Brent Tucker]

Stop it right there just for a second. Again, here's. Here's some credit that I can give Tim. He could have continued down that road because Brian kind of gave him an out and said, hey, I also saw clips of you saying, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. Compilations. You should put that out. I. I want to say for the record, I never saw. I never saw that. Had I seen that. And still. And never put that in. My initial podcast was like, this is just him claiming to have one, but never showed him not claiming to have one. That would be. That would be ingenious, disingenuous. That wouldn't. That wouldn't be cool. I never saw it. I don't know why Tim won't put that out. I have a speculation, and I'm sorry if it's a negative speculation, maybe. And I call. I called Nate, Nate from Valhalla, who covered this extensively with me, and I said, nate, did you ever see an interview or anything with him correcting the record? And he said, no, I never saw it either, Brent. So whether they were live things and I missed it because they were live and he just knew which ones to, you know, reach out to Fox. Hey, can I get this clip? I wouldn't have access to that. I've never seen it. But I. And again, this is just me being a little negative. So I want to make sure, like, that I don't know for a fact. I have a sneaky suspicion he. Maybe he doesn't put it out because he started correcting the record after he was Called out.

[Greg Coker]

Called out.

[Brent Tucker]

And not before, but I don't know.

[Drew Hansen]

Well, here's what I remember.

[Brent Tucker]

I haven't seen that I would love. And again, Brian's giving the good advice. If you have it, post it again. I've showed tonight. I've always said this. I will be fair like you. You give me something to defend you with, and I'll say, yeah, there it is. What you got, Drew?

[Drew Hansen]

Well, let me get my glasses on. All right, so this is what I remember when all this took place. And that is when you called him out. He actually made a video saying, hey, the reason why DD214 doesn't say what it says because it's outdated. Remember that he never tried to correct the valor situation. He never tried to correct the Purple Heart. He made excuses and basically said fu. And that you got the information wrong with the DD214. Never tried to correct the. The. The narrative.

[Brent Tucker]

He did. I'm the. The clip of him saying fu. Fu to me. I'm not that. That's in the past, you know, and I'm gonna judge you off the latest version of you. Is it. This is the version, you know, I'm. I'm going to. To grade Tim off of. Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Have you seen his DD214?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It. You know, the DD214. His argument ended up being. It's old. Yeah, it was a 2010, but. Okay, but the. The 2010 DD14 is off of a 2006 and 2008 deployment. So that is a current DD214 for those. For those things. So that's. That's where he's wrong on that.

[Magnet]

He mentioned the new. He mentioned it again on this. On this podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I know.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But he. He goes back and again, to give him credit, he's the one who circles back and says, but you know what? I did screw up. He's the one who circled it back to the 2017 podcast of him actually saying something, and he could have taken that out that Brian was kind of giving him.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And he's the one that said, but you know what? I want to circle back on this. I did say this in 2017. Good on you. Good on you.

[Greg Coker]

Let's.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's see. Let's see what he has to say about that 2017 interview where he does. Explicitly claimed to have a bronze star with V. And he even tells the story of how he got it.

[Tim Kennedy]

Okay, while I'm on the phone, in case you have a bon Star with

[Brent Tucker]

valorant regular speed on this,

[Brian Callan]

guys and you blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And you know that, that one thing

[Tim Kennedy]

that, well, that one thing is an absolute mistake. I mean a great example is I'm on the Lance Armstrong's podcast and I'm trying to like use Lance Armstrong's vernacular and I'm like, man, gun control is, you know, like all forms of gun laws are good gun laws, all gun laws are gun control. So gun control can be good because there are some good gun laws. And then everybody's like, Tim Kennedy's for gun control. Like, did I mean to say that?

[Drew Hansen]

No.

[Brian Callan]

When you do enough, when you do enough talking and podcasting, you're gonna get bodied.

[Brent Tucker]

So I'll give them that real quick. You're gonna say he got a lot of hate for being an anti anti 2 a guy for that very interview. I never mentioned that against him because as bad as that sounds, I don't believe Tim kennedy be an anti2a guy. He, he did, he did say those things, but his actions and, and him in the gun industry says something else. And I'm, I've things that I wish I would have phrased differently. It, it is, it sucks when you give your opinion.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

In front of a mic that's recorded and you say something at a time, you don't, you don't get back, you don't get it back, you don't get it back. And so I'm, I'm, I will, I will give him that one.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I, I, he's going into that because

[Magnet]

of what he's did in the 2017 thing. That's why he's bringing that up.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. But I agree, I just want to be fair and say I agree with him on that. I'm not going to, I'm not going to call him anti two way. That would, that would prove that I have an ax to grind. And I'll take anything to make you look a little clip.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

I won't do that. I, I don't, I agree with what he's saying here. Let's see what else he says.

[Brian Callan]

And I don't know anybody who escapes it. I don't know anybody who escapes the public car wash that you've got stand still for when, when you, when you're at the top of your game. You were basically a politician. Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brian Callan]

Now, now again, I would implore you at, you know, to release that compilation or hundreds of times. You said I want to. Correct. I never want a V. Sounds like a good idea.

[Tim Kennedy]

I took my foot and I put it in my mouth in, in like I think one or two interviews where they were asking, why did you do that? I don't know if I was paying attention. I don't know if I absolutely carried away.

[Brian Callan]

But it's so weird, Tim, because you. You corrected the record over and over again. But these two times, you. You said. Yeah, I did, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

What?

[Brian Callan]

Do you understand what's going on?

[Tim Kennedy]

Not paying attention, trying to sound awesome to another guy.

[Brian Callan]

Oh, is that what it was? Yeah.

[Tim Kennedy]

I mean, like, could it be all of those things? Absolutely. Like playing with a dog, trying to

[Brian Callan]

sound awesome to another guy that you don't even know.

[Tim Kennedy]

That I don't even know for sure.

[Brian Callan]

Isn't it funny how you. It's like. It's like you can build a bridge. You can. You can. You can create hospitals, and then you one go and you're a goat.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, let's stop that here just for a second. And again, I. I'm just being fair about this.

[Tim Kennedy]

I'm.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm actually. And please wait till we're done with this so you can really hear my true opinion on this holistically. But I will take these bits and pieces and be fair where I feel like I should. Well, it can't be. This is like your. Your either or. Like your either or can't be. I wasn't paying attention or I was trying to impress another guy. Like, those are two wildly different things.

[Greg Coker]

Mutually exclusive.

[Brent Tucker]

Mutually exclusive things. So. But, you know, this is an interview, and, you know, maybe he's just saying things off. Off the cuff, but here's. Here's the problem with that. I'm gonna lean towards. You were trying to impress another man or impress people, because you didn't just randomly say yes, and you were playing with your dog, holding a kid, and you weren't paying attention because he asked you. He goes, how did you earn that valor award? And then he went into a story and said, well, basically, there's a bad guy, and he was shooting at us, and. And I took him out. And I'm paraphrasing it, but that's like 90% accurate. And that told the world. Like, well, that's not. That's not a valor award. That's. Yeah, there's the humble thing of you were just doing your job. And then there's the literal thing if you were just doing your job, and that's that. And that won't get it. So I have to give. I have to give pushback on that. He's. He's a little bit being too wave top with this, and I Don't believe he's taking enough accountability of what he actually did. Like I denied it a bunch of times. Not. Not that I saw. And that wasn't the only time that you said you had a. Had a valor on this one 2017 podcast. Let's. Let's keep going.

[Greg Coker]

Drew, what does teammates say?

[Brent Tucker]

Yes, his teammates knew he didn't. Didn't have one as. As well. And he knows he didn't have one and he admits it.

[Tim Kennedy]

I have never had any intimacy with any animals. It's like I just want to do really clear.

[Brian Callan]

So crazy how. How I. I implore you to at least release that it's not going to change a thing. Again, people are already coming.

[Andy Stumpf]

This guy.

[Brian Callan]

I. I get it.

[Magnet]

But.

[Brian Callan]

But at the end of the day, it was so. Again, that was so puzzling to me because the first thing I said to you and to Shane, I go. But I saw a compilation of him. Him correcting the record over and over again. Why the. Did he say he'd won one? It made no sense.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Tim Kennedy]

And like again, attention to detail.

[Brian Callan]

Some podcast that nobody has ever listened to.

[Tim Kennedy]

Wikipedia ends up with me with a BSM with V. Then I'm walking on stage, people are introducing me and they take the wiki bio and they're like, hey, so you have a BSM with V& you're like on stage in this, you know, a paid speaking engagement. And you're like, man, I. I hate to correct you, like, but no, I. I have a bronze star and I'm proud to have. Bronze star. That was for Iraq. An amazing deployment. Was three.

[Brian Callan]

I think you should release. I think you should release it now.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm just gonna like, this is. This is as bad as it's gonna get from here to. To some degree. He says that they got a hold of it from Wikipedia. Of course, Wikipedia. Anyone can put anything on Wikipedia. And these speaking engagements are pulling things off of a, you know, a non official site, Wikipedia. And that's where he's going off of it. I've done speaking engagements. Guess where they get your bio from? Yeah, the one you submit to them now.

[Greg Coker]

Send it to them.

[Brent Tucker]

I send it to him now again, that is. I'm not sitting here telling Tim Kennedy that he sent his bio out to every single person. I don't know that that is an assumption. I'm telling you where. Where I normally get it from. He does way more speaking engagements than I ever will in my life. Is that possible that happened? Absolutely, that's possible. It happened. But for him to Say like wicked. Like blame Wikipedia. There's another place you can blame. And let's. Let's pull that up.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Drew,

[Brent Tucker]

this is Tim Kennedy.com his website. Go ahead, Drew.

[Tim Kennedy]

Starting United States Army 7 Special Forces

[Matt Bissonnette]

Group and seen tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Brent Tucker]

Who earned a bronze star medal and. Excuse me, who earned a bronze star

[Matt Bissonnette]

medal for valor under fire.

[Tim Kennedy]

That is a bronze star medal with

[Matt Bissonnette]

V device, which he does not have on his own website.

[Tim Kennedy]

Department of Defense.

[Brent Tucker]

See this part of the thing too. That is. That is straight now. He has corrected his website since then, but let's not pretend like the Internet doesn't exist and there are places where we can pull. Where your website did have it. You just told. You just told Brian, your friend, and you had him on there and he doesn't know enough about this to check them and blames it on Wikipedia.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

When it was on your own official website. That's not the only place it was on. I could. We could be here for a while pulling up things. I can just. I'm not gonna have Drew do it if timkennedy.com doesn't do it for you. I don't have to do anything else. There's his own Instagram and Facebook page. Facebook pages where he wrote I won valor awards for every combat deployment I was ever on.

[Greg Coker]

He's.

[Brent Tucker]

He said that those were his posts. So this isn't a you build a hundred bridges and you F1 goat situation. That. That is. Tim, we. We have to do better on that one. If I do believe he wants to do better, but we can't do better with. With a hint of. Of the old and trying to soften the blow.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. You know, so deep down the. Well, now he's just trying to add dirt to come out of it. Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

I'd like to see that compilation as well and of correcting the narrative. And I. And I hope that compilation is post Brent Tucker.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And. And. But guess what? Even if it is, you get credit for that.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

You get you. And yeah, I hate that he left that up for interpretation because he didn't say if it was post, you know, me calling him out or prior. But you know what if it's out there and he's been doing that good. Like that's the change. That's the change we need. Good. But this is the change. But this doesn't show change to say that they got it from Wikipedia. And either for you to forget that it was on your website or you to forget you posted that on Instagram and Facebook look, that's. That's not a. That's not a good look. We'll just say that. All right, let's go back to it and see what else we got. Now. Now they're going to go into a. Like a literal kind of line by line, you know, questionable or. Or question about. About his stories.

[Brian Callan]

He's gonna eat a dick. Yeah, you got.

[Tim Kennedy]

You have to put my. Put my foot in my mouth. Said something stupid.

[Brian Callan]

That's fair.

[Tim Kennedy]

By answering a question. That's fair. Not paying attention.

[Drew Hansen]

You can't.

[Brian Callan]

One goat.

[Tim Kennedy]

Is it ever gonna happen again? I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

Tim, don't do that.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Is it ever gonna happen again? I don't know.

[Brian Callan]

We've already covered the embellishment in a number of combat deployment and trips overseas.

[Brent Tucker]

I think he's just being entertaining there.

[Brian Callan]

I mean, I'd like to say more, but we can't.

[Tim Kennedy]

No, that's good.

[Brian Callan]

So those are the two things also that I forgot to mention was that I had seen that compilation. So again, it was so confusing. Ranger School.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Brian Callan]

Ranger School achievement. Did Tim Kennedy misrepresent his Ranger School compilation by publicly claiming honor graduate status, contrary to accounts from investigators and his later admissions?

[Brent Tucker]

And you can two times.

[Brian Callan]

Mistakes contributed partly to editing.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yep. So in Ranger School, I went with three awards. You had graduates, you had undergraduate for an officer and nco, and you had leadership award. So I received a leadership award. So I got an awesome tomahawk. I gave it to my dad. You know, my team sergeant came, my company commander came. It was awesome. I graduated range school. I'm proud to be a Ranger. And I was one of. I can't say honor graduates. I was one of the extra people that received an award at the end of Ranger School. So when I was writing book, I said I was an honor graduate. That is inaccurate. As I received. I should have said I was the leadership recipient for that class.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah, you military guys with all your. With all your rankings and all your,

[Tim Kennedy]

like, citations are really a big deal and to be an honor. So, like. But those distinctions are different. And again, being precise with your words,

[Brian Callan]

is it because you're. You have ADHD and you just not.

[Tim Kennedy]

Not paying attention, not going back and reviewing, not, you know, in my mind, I'm. I'm understanding what I was as. As worthy people were in school with me for Ranger School. And so you said you were.

[Brian Callan]

You said you were an honor graduate. You want. You are a leadership.

[Tim Kennedy]

I got the Leadership Award, which is an honor, but it is not the distinguished honor graduate Is higher. Yeah. Highest high. Undergraduate and leadership.

[Brian Callan]

When you said you are what I got the leadership. But you said in the book I got the honor.

[Tim Kennedy]

I was an undergraduate.

[Brian Callan]

Not distinguished undergraduate, but an undergraduate.

[Tim Kennedy]

Websites your competitors don't want you to know part two.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's all you do is go to this website Skip, and it lets you find out for me to talk about this.

[Greg Coker]

Do you?

[Brent Tucker]

Here's the problem. He starts out strong with taking accountability. And I love to see that. You know, and again, not in a like self grandizing. See I was right way.

[Magnet]

I'm.

[Brent Tucker]

I am happy for. For Tim too because I think Tim has a lot of good left to do and that he can do. But he can only do it if. If he starts out fresh, you know, and gives himself the best chance to. To do good things. He does a great job of taking accountability of it. But this is where he loses it again. And he kind of. And even. Even Brian is like, I don't know enough about these terms. Those terms are probably confusing to him, to any military man.

[Greg Coker]

It is not.

[Brent Tucker]

They are not confusing at all.

[Greg Coker]

At all.

[Brent Tucker]

And here's the problem. He. He didn't just say in his book he was honor graduate. He really inferred in his book that he was the distinguished autograph because he said the class. He was top of the class. He said that his team sergeant told him before he sent him the Ranger school, you graduate top of your class or you don't have a team to come back. Come, come, come home to paraphrasing it. But that is. That is told to him. And so if you know the whole. If that's all you knew was what Tim's answer was.

[Greg Coker]

Sure.

[Brent Tucker]

Brian probably like, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. You could have. You could have done better. But okay, but by knowing the whole book and what you actually wrote. That's. That's not really true.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

And we're not. And he comes out so strong saying, yeah, I said stupid things. I said things I shouldn't have said. But then. But then he falls a little. He just falls short.

[Greg Coker]

That's an easy scapegoat too.

[Brent Tucker]

It is. All right, let's. So you know, that's another one. Let's. Let's keep going.

[Brian Callan]

Know why you said that?

[Brent Tucker]

Yang 2 exit.

[Brian Callan]

I mean not. You had to know that somebody was gonna check that out.

[Tim Kennedy]

I didn't think that I was. I think in my brain I was saying I was. I was one of the undergraduates, which I was. But I wasn't an honor graduate. I wasn't the distinguish on graduates, I

[Brian Callan]

got the leadership board, which is one below.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yes, absolutely.

[Brian Callan]

Okay. I don't know. I don't know how to hold your feet apart. I don't know. I'm just. Okay. So, so that was a. You read the book, right? Did you read your own book?

[Tim Kennedy]

Well, I. Once it was finished. Then in other words, did you.

[Brian Callan]

Did you do the book on tape for it?

[Tim Kennedy]

I did, I did. Now we're too late to make edits because the book's already printed and when you're doing your. When you're reading your own book, like books already published.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Tim Kennedy]

So when I was kind of going through it and reading my manuscript, I was like, I wonder if guys are gonna.

[Brian Callan]

I. But it was too late.

[Tim Kennedy]

And I was also. And I'm very proud of the book. You know, like when I wrote that book, it's in present tense. So, you know, for some chapters I'm an 11 year old kid.

[Brian Callan]

Oh yeah, we are an 11 year old kid in general.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah, for sure.

[Brian Callan]

I mean you're like, my friend's like, you're met him like the best coffee I've ever had in my life. You're the funniest person on the planet. He's the strongest guy. He's the greatest human being on planet. You're the most. You're the most. You exaggerate every minute of your life. It's either that's the greatest guy in the world or he should be eaten in death. There's no real ground with you. Not, not in any way. You're either all the way over here

[Tim Kennedy]

or you're all the way over here. You see this kind of time and time again, like bag of grenades. Like, did I get to that?

[Brian Callan]

Hold on. So, okay, it's a Ranger. We're going to get to that. You say you had. Okay, that's. I don't know what to say about that book. Combat Anecdotes. Spider Engagements in Enemy Forces Worthy.

[Brent Tucker]

And again, he just. Brian, poor Brian, he's like. I even admits I don't know enough to, to, to check you on that. And it's just I, I feel a little bit bad for Brian, but Brian is doing a great, a great job for, for what he's doing. I should have wrote that down. There's something else he said during that. But we'll, we'll keep going.

[Magnet]

There's.

[Brent Tucker]

There's plenty. There's plenty.

[Drew Hansen]

Like when he dressed down as commanding officer. I wonder if that's one of the. The times that he thought, I wonder If I'm gonna get any pushback from any.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you for reminding me, Drew. It's. I don't. I don't know how to feel about. I. This. There's what I would do, but then again, I can't. I wasn't in a situation, so it's easy for. For me to say what I would do when I'm not in that situation. But you've written a book. You've written a book. I want to say. For him to say, I really don't know. It really seems as if he's kind of saying, I don't really know what was in the book until I read it and when I read it. That there were some issues. And now it's. It's too late to be honest. And I'm not sure that's true. Is. Is it going to be painful to correct that? Yeah. Yeah, it probably will. Will they be excited about you having to go back and correct the record? Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you probably wish you would have done it now?

[Greg Coker]

Now?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. It. It's. It. It. You said it was too late. It's never too late to. To do the. To do the right thing.

[Greg Coker]

It's. And it's pretty easy too, to make corrections and. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, let's go. Drew, what else we got?

[Brian Callan]

Detail stories, Scars and stripes about prolonged sniper rifle engagements against 20 enemies over multiple days in Afghanistan 2008, and encounters with elite Iranian freedom fighters. Accurate or embellished, slash fabricated as alleged by fellow service members who served on the same convoy.

[Tim Kennedy]

There are things in there that the elite Iranian forces in an E6 brain on a combat deployment to Afghanistan, his first time to Afghanistan. And what these are foreign fighters coming from Iran. Like, these are the things I'm writing in first person as best I can with the memories that I had, the notes and the journals I had from that time that first gonna be not the greatest source material. And I did not do due diligence. Going to talk to other people that were on that deployment to clarify I said other inaccurate things. There's one of the convoy commanders as any six not really fully respecting officers. I was like, you know, this guy's on his first com deployment, doesn't know anything about it. That was completely factually untrue. Kevin was a rock star and had already been on a bunch of combat deployments when he got there. But in the E6 brain that I'm looking at one of the. The commanders, I'm like, that guy doesn't know anything. And that's why I was Trying to write that book. Just like the 11 year old memories aren't going to be accurate, so the combat memories are going to be accurate that I had at the time.

[Brent Tucker]

But good on him for what he said about Kevin Keys, which was, which was, which was bad. It's like this guy has no experience. He's. He's the kind of two ground force commanders is what Tim's kind of put nap. The, the senior ODA team leader was the ground force commander. But, but he was kind of inferring that yeah, he's one of the officers on this thing, has no experience and that was a lie. And I found out he had, he came from Rager Regiment, he was an ODA commander and now he's an HHC major. I believe at the time he had a lot of combat experience.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But I believed him in this. Like Tim E6 Tim probably looked at him and said what does this guy know? Yeah, he's, he probably has no combat experience and just, and just didn't know that. I, I will, I will buy that. That is, and that is probably, that is probably true. But Brian didn't ask the right question. He was talking about 20 people over multiple days. I know this because I did a podcast on it. If he'd have been better with his words, it would have forced Tim and to address an issue the 20 people he saw. But he said he went up to a sniper tower and firebase Anaconda and over the course of two days killed 20 people from that sniper position. But because he didn't really answer it correctly, Tim doesn't really answer it head on at, at the same time, you know, he goes on to talk about that which wasn't even in the question, but I do. Hey, he, he owned it. He said I shouldn't have done that. That guy was a, was a rock star. And again, I will give credit where credit's. If you give me something to, to give you credit for, I will do it. I'm looking for it.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, what else we got?

[Drew Hansen]

Brent, I don't know if you caught this. I thought one of the most intriguing parts of that snip was that he said that his firsthand experience and the notes that he took are not good sources for the information. So that really kind of puts a hole in everybody's you weren't there narrative because apparently that's not a good source of information when you were and took some notes.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, he said he had a journal and took notes. So we always. And I started a journal on 9 11.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you?

[Greg Coker]

I did. And wrote in every day for eight years now. So those are your current thoughts, what you did. So the truth should be easy.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. And. And he does. Even though it should be easy, what you see and what you journal as a young guy can be wrong. I'm not saying factually, historically wrong. Like the lens or the perspective that you saw through could be wrong. And he admits it. He goes, I should have called my teammates. Yeah. And that's, that's, that's a great takeaway from that. You should have called your teammates. They would have, they would have helped you. All right, what else we got, Drew

[Greg Coker]

then?

[Tim Kennedy]

I also, like, said some stupid stuff that were without a doubt fish stories.

[Brian Callan]

Why

[Tim Kennedy]

make an awesome book, you know, make it.

[Drew Hansen]

That's a real answer, buddy.

[Brent Tucker]

That's a real answer.

[Brian Callan]

Fiction.

[Drew Hansen]

But it wasn't fiction.

[Brian Callan]

So I wish I had been there so I could be like, hey, say, hey, dude, you can't write that it didn't happen.

[Tim Kennedy]

Or the parts that did happen where I'm like, you know, 20 hour prolonged sniper fire. You know, Was it a couple hours?

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yes.

[Tim Kennedy]

Was it 20 hours?

[Magnet]

No.

[Tim Kennedy]

Were we in a tick for multiple days? Yes. In that tick where I'm like working with Czech special Forces who. All who are awesome, by the way. I love you guys. My deployment to Belgium, Fast forward now.

[Brent Tucker]

I was gonna just go back a random story.

[Tim Kennedy]

Can I call it exercise?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Kennedy]

Military.

[Brent Tucker]

Him and Robert, he'll kind of do this for that trip

[Tim Kennedy]

and talk to his talent commander now, who is another guy that's my convoy is now like their group commander. So he heard all about this pretty epic mission. And, you know, that was eight months deployment. And in that book, I think I pulled two stories of two missions during an eight month deployment. So, like, I also took a bunch of stuff that happened and put it.

[Brian Callan]

Not allowed to do that.

[Matt Bissonnette]

No.

[Tim Kennedy]

Can't do into one story.

[Brian Callan]

No. I'm not allowed to do that. Because what happens is you have comedian.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Brian Callan]

Like Delta Force guys, a squadron guys who go, I'm sorry, I don't have this. Math isn't making sense.

[Tim Kennedy]

Math's not math.

[Brian Callan]

So you deserve to get bodied.

[Tim Kennedy]

I did.

[Brian Callan]

And I don't.

[Brent Tucker]

Look at that.

[Brian Callan]

It's like you write.

[Brent Tucker]

I mean, hold on, let's pause it just for a second. So you got bodied? He's like, I did. And I just. And I deserve to do that. So that's where it's a little frustrating. And I know people want, want to watch Me do this, and some people think I was going to use this and just annihilate Tim again. And he's given me some things to. To do that if I. If I. If I wanted to.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

But he's also given me some things that he's never done before. And I've just. I'll be damned if. If. If a guy is sitting there going, I lied. I. I wrote some stupid things. I shouldn't have done that. I got bodied, and I deserve that. I mean, there's. You have to pay attention to those words, too. You do.

[Greg Coker]

Do.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, Drew, let's.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Let's.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's keep going. See what he does. See what he does from here.

[Brian Callan]

It didn't dawn on you because you move at a hundred miles an hour and you got caught up in your fish story. It didn't dawn you that there were guys out there who had a lot of experience who were gonna go, this doesn't add up. How did. This is what drives me nuts about you.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah, I should have versed down.

[Brian Callan]

My friend said something really interesting about you. He said he was already Spider man, and Spider man got caught trying to put Superman's cape on. And I think it's a really accurate description of what happened. And you are Spider Man. I mean, you're a bad. There's nobody's gonna say the ones. You're just one of those guys. You don't get tired of me. One year, one of your Green Beret friends was telling a hilarious story. There were. You guys were in ranger school, and everybody was shot. It was like. It was 12 hours. Everybody was starving tired. At the end of. Everybody's literally, like, taking like, nobody can move, and they hear and they turn around. You're running sprints because you got a fight coming up, so, you know, you didn't have to do any of, like,

[Tim Kennedy]

four days after Rangers.

[Brian Callan]

I know. And this.

[Tim Kennedy]

I thought the weekend going into Ranger school, right? I went to Ranger school. Then I. When we got graduation done on the weekend, flew home on, like, Monday or Tuesday. I left on Friday or Thursday.

[Brian Callan]

I know. I try to keep up with you sometimes. And then I stop for her for a week after. And then everybody around me goes, don't do that with him. You're not gonna. I know that. And so, again, it's like, what drives me crazy about Scars and Stripes is you didn't have to do it. You were already. You were already. Nobody had any doubt that you were this bad motherfucker. And nobody had any doubt that you were. If it didn't happen. It could happen, you know, I mean I told you like when you would have, when you would fight you. The only person I saw that just didn't seem had any nerves. You got a video fight some monster and you were like, that's how you were.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah, I love fighting.

[Brian Callan]

Everybody I know was terrified before they thought no matter who they were. And you're like, hey look.

[Magnet]

Woo.

[Brian Callan]

11 year old. Let me go kill a fight. You know, again, it's like, do you know what psychologically was going on your head? Was it just like I can get away with anything.

[Tim Kennedy]

I'm sure there's like a little God complex in there.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah. Okay. This is progress.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Brian Callan]

I'm older than you, so I would have been like, hey, you can't do this. I'm like stop and draw a line through that sentence right there. We would have saved all this trouble.

[Tim Kennedy]

But listen, Nick, the guy that wrote that book, he's amazing writer, amazing human and you know, any, any call, any criticism that that guy has had is completely undeserved.

[Brian Callan]

No, he was just writing what you told him.

[Tim Kennedy]

That's right.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brian Callan]

I would have done the same thing. He's a hell of. He. That guy's a good writer.

[Tim Kennedy]

He's great.

[Brian Callan]

He's a very talented dude. All right. But at least look, see this is really important that you're saying this stuff. This is more important. It's actually more important than my teeth. Though I do have the timid looking guy. Wounded Afghan girl incident. Did Tim Kennedy accurately describe the 2008 Afghanistan incident? Incident involving a wounded civilian girl, including the extended injuries. He later referenced minor ones. His actions cradling her for hours while singing. You're not a good singer. Sorry. And related details. If I was injured, the last person I want to be cradled by is. I've been cradled by you. I couldn't breathe, so that sucks. And then you singing. You're not a singer. All right. And related details or were key elements disputed by teammates who noted a quick medevac and more serious wounds. So let me read that again for injuries. He would later reference my ones his actions craven for hours while singing. And related details or work he elements disputed by teammates who noted a quick matter of fact in more serious wounds.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Brian Callan]

Okay.

[Tim Kennedy]

I. I remember that girl getting hurt. When we stormed that complex. We. There were lots of kids in there. The one that was seriously wounded and they're you know in the triage of taking care of bunch people today mad back a girl that was the girl that was seriously wounded. And now I'm taking care of a different girl. So I honestly don't know. Like, as I remember, I remember that girl. I remember a bunch of kids getting hurt, as there were. I'm gonna call them foreign fighters as there were insurgents that were fighting this compound and we stormed this compound. Epic heroic moments by all those guys that were there. Don't want to disparage or dispute what they remember, but I remember those 15 hurt. I remember us collectively working on those kids. Did they med back them? I don't remember the medevac happening on the targets. And then once we got back, I wasn't there for their. Clearly what took place as other medifax, but I was there for the injured girl. So I'm gonna have to, like, push back because that's what I remember.

[Brian Callan]

Okay.

[Magnet]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, let's stop here just a second.

[Andy Stumpf]

That is.

[Brent Tucker]

That is a good question about him. You know, and to catch up the speed, basically, he throws a grenade in this. In this. In this compound, which did happen. He did throw a grenade in a compound. It's unfortunate. He threw a grenade where a family was, and he didn't hit any bad guys. They were taking fire from that compound. And he just unfortunately threw a grenade through a window where. Where a family was, and it hurt. The family didn't kill anyone, thankfully. But some people needed to be treated afterwards. And he said that in his book. When they got back to that little girl got evacuated back to Anaconda, and he held and cradled and sang and cried with that little girl until, you know, all night long, which is a great story. I would have been more interested. Now, that's a good story or a good question from Brian. I don't know where he's getting his questions from, but I would have. I would have been more interested to know about him having a sixth sense and pushing Brian. I'm gonna get his name wrong. Nobles. Believe it's Brian Nobles out of the doorway and like that heroic thing. And we'll never really get to the truth of that because the Brian that he. That he pushed is no longer with us. And some of the crazier stories he told, the guys are no longer with us. So we can't verify some of these crazy stories. And so that's. That's a little bit of a. Of a problem. So I would have liked to known about that. But he ends up saying, I don't know if it's the same girl. I held a little girl. And it may have been A. A different girl. He may be right. I will, I will. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Here's the problem, though. I've already seen you be a little less than truthful already on this. On this interview. In fact, I think it's Brian Goebbels. But anyway. And again, I've. I've been a ground guy, I've been an ODA guy. I've done these type of things. The chances of having two little girls.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And one so badly injured she's medevacked, and the other little girl so badly injured that she went back to the fire base to. I was like, that's. And okay. I mean, the chance that happening is. Is super small. But it ain't zero. But it ain't zero. And I don't know. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. All right, let's keep going.

[Tim Kennedy]

Drew,

[Brian Callan]

how to follow up on that? Because I don't remember that. I remember the story about the grenade and the kids whimpering, crying. I don't remember the. Actually, I don't remember the part.

[Tim Kennedy]

The worst.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah, it is. I'm sure I'm not. You know, again, in the beginning of

[Tim Kennedy]

this one, it's, you know, we're knocking on 20 years.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Tim Kennedy]

15 years. When I wrote the book. 15 years of memory of a war. Imperfect. Yes, father. War.

[Brent Tucker]

Real.

[Tim Kennedy]

Absolutely emotional. Well, kicking off that. That troops in combat, that gunfight was an ID where I'm like the next vehicle in. So first vehicle gets absolutely destroyed with, I think everybody in that vehicle dying. I'm the next vehicle behind that. Like bell. Wrong. Absolutely messed up. And the next, you know, few days of us. Of us continuing to be in a tick. Incredible warfare by the guys I was with. And I try to remember in the best detail that I can everything that took place there. A lot of guys that were. I was with the check. Special Forces guys and I was spending most of my time with them. So when the ODA would go and do stuff, who I was not attached to, I was not on their team. That was an amazing team. Amazing team. Sergeant. Absolute studs on that team. Like, I'm not gonna contradict what they remember, but I'm also gonna be like, man, I remember. I remember that busted up girl. I remember taking care of her websites.

[Brent Tucker]

Your competitors don't want you to know part two. All you do is go to this website and it lets you find out.

[Brian Callan]

Exactly.

[Brent Tucker]

He's adamantly doubling down on that. And so I'll give. I'LL give the benefit of that. Yeah. All right. See what his next question is.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brian Callan]

I don't know where to go from there, but. Okay, that makes. That makes sense. Finally, the famous one. Handwriting details in combat did claims or implications about carrying large numbers of hand grenades. Dozens are referencing 50 in backpacks.

[Tim Kennedy]

A lot hand grenades.

[Brian Callan]

No. Although again, if you know you. I can see you being like 50 hand grenades in my old grenades, yellow

[Tim Kennedy]

grenades, magazines that can fit into a bag.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah. Are the specific tactics details during the point reflect reality or were they exaggerated chords? According to pure accounts, there are a lot of people who were there who contested what happened. Right. Is that kind of how this.

[Tim Kennedy]

A few of them, yeah.

[Brian Callan]

And it turns out that their suspicions were confirmed in most of this. There wasn't.

[Tim Kennedy]

I don't know how many grenades were there. I don't know how many magazines were in there. But when you're packing a speedball, you're putting as many grenades and magazines in that bag as you can get in that bag and carry 15 grenades. It is that to me. Is that number unrealistic?

[Magnet]

Yes.

[Tim Kennedy]

No, it is.

[Brian Callan]

See, so I'm a little bit less concerned with number. I think that I'm almost. And also like the Iranian freedom fighters when you're a young E6, whatever those guys are. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. I don't know. You know, I think that the largest thing that, you know, I've taken from this is that you did that. That the criticism is founded. You've lost a lot as a result. I could have told you that was going to happen because you can't write a book about your combat experience.

[Brent Tucker]

He gives great advice at the end, but it's one to. It's just more of a attempt rather than just hitting this whole thing head on. So going well, hold on. He's talking about a speed bag. A speed bag is something you resupply from. And he's kind of getting, you know, using. I think. I don't want to say this because only he would know this. It would. It comes across to me as if he's using some people's lack of knowledge and then kind of working in that gray area, you know exactly what a speedball is. Well, sometimes we. Sometimes we pre. Poem on. On helos and say, if we need this, kick this off or land this and get this to us. It is not. It's something you pull from. To resupply yourself from. Yeah, it's. And again, you wouldn't know this unless you read his book. Which I did. And the. He's saying that in his backpack he had a bag full of grenades. And in this backpack that he had is where he's getting all these grenades and he's leading with grenades and just. And just tear this one particular one. He's just. He just keeps on throwing in grenades until everybody inside is dead. Other times he's throwing grenades and into rooms or buildings and just following the grenade in and, and killing everyone. And that's where it goes to my experience that, nope, you throw a grenade into someplace you're not following it in, it's going to kick up so much dust and debris you're not going to see anything. And that started. And he's basically saying, well, hold on. What I'm saying is we. We have bags of speed balls. But you're not carrying around a speedball. The speedball will be. Can be hundreds of pounds.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You take the speedball and you put. And you resupply from your backpack. But you never mentioned a speedball in your book. You said you had. And your bag a massive amount of. Of grenades. So I just don't like the way he's skirting around it. And it's. And to me, it was like, hey, this is your opportunity. It's so easy. You could have eaten all this crow.

[Greg Coker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

And even if he. I don't expect him to answer or ask every single question and have to go line by line by line down every lie. But if you think about this, if he'd hit every single one of these questions head on and gave me nothing to talk about other than how great and honest he's finally being, it'd be done.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Stop giving me something to work with when. When I've proved it. I'm actually looking for a reason.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

For positive something. For positive.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

But I can't. I can't come out here and tell everyone how you've changed. Now you're doing great because you. Because you admitted the lies when it doesn't seem as if you're being fully transparent in the same exact interview.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Brian's gonna go on and give him some great advice. We'll. We'll listen just to the end of this and we'll. And we'll. And we'll be done for this and we'll move on to Rob. But let's see what Brian says here at the end.

[Brian Callan]

And you know, again, I know you. I. I know who you are. But you can't write a book about your combat experience and have embellishments Lies, exaggerations, you're just not allowed to do that. And if you do do that, the Internet will find out and you get crushed. And you did get crushed and you got bodied. And you know, I would have told you, I would tell you now that that is deserved. You know, as much as I love you, sorry, brother. It's like you, you, you tried Blitz Superman's pawn, you got bodied. And I believe that, you know, one of the things about life is that when we, when we are arrogant enough to think we can get away with people by writing a book and profiting from it, we're going to get bodied. And that's just your lesson.

[Tim Kennedy]

Good lesson.

[Brian Callan]

It's a good lesson. And one of the things that I love about you is that you're, you're. I genuinely know your heart and I know you're a good person. I also know you're a bad. And this is part of your.

[Tim Kennedy]

This is part of it is right. This was funny.

[Brian Callan]

You know, you get part of what's important. God's fire feels like hell because it burns away all the dead wood that you built a foundation on. And that's kind of the lesson is you spend your whole life doing everything that you can because we're ambitious, type A successful motherfuckers. And, and you do everything you can to get ahead because it's so hard. And then you do a couple things. You go, you know, I'm going to

[Tim Kennedy]

push a little here.

[Brian Callan]

I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to exaggerate, I'm going to lie, I'm going to embellish, I'm going to tell a fish story. I'm going to consolidate all these things that happen and it's like, no, you aren't. I'll tell you what, you're gonna pay for that with interest because you can't get away with that. And, but look, 45 years, good run. And now, now here we are. But this is part of. What matters more is your soul. What matters more is who you are after this. What matters more is who are you now the fire has burnt all the dead wood out, in my opinion, is you. It gets you closer to the truth. It brings you closer to who you're supposed to be. And I've, I've spoken a lot here. I apologize. I've spoken a lot. Guys, I've been talking too much. At least hold your feet to the fire. I hope I've done that because I think at the end of the day I was really mad at the people criticizing you. I was really mad at the videos they were making, but I think you deserved it, and I think they were right. And, and that's okay. You're still my friend.

[Andy Stumpf]

And that's.

[Brian Callan]

I just want to say that. That the criticism was well

[Brent Tucker]

and for everyone who said Brian was the wrong guy to do this interview, for him to end that interview like that and look at a good friend of his for a long time and look him in the eyes and said, you deserved this. Yeah, you. You embellished. You lied. This is what happens. This is what you get when you do that. This is God burning away the dead wood.

[Greg Coker]

Burning.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, just. It's great advice. And I can almost push back and say, you know, maybe Brian was the perfect guy to do this.

[Magnet]

I'll.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll end this with a little bit of what. Of. Of what he said. I wish. I wish. I wish Tim would have done better. I. I do.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, he had the opportunity.

[Brent Tucker]

He had the opportunity. But you know what? I also think I'm going to grade Tim on a curve, and I, I just don't think he was ready or capable of just completely. Of completely coming clean. But no, he admitted that. Hey, I deserve this. Hey, I, I didn't tell the truth. Like, those, Those are huge things. And I. The Internet is not going to want to hear this. And it doesn't matter, Greg, what I do. I will upset the Internet. I could have come out here and absolutely demolished them and really gone down into all the roads, and part of the Internet would be like, well, he said, sorry, what do you want? Yeah, and I could. I can come out here and I can forgive him, be like, good enough for me. And the Internet would be, how dare you? He wasn't, He's. He hasn't changed. Like, you know, would. Are you a sellout now? It doesn't matter what I do. So the only thing I can do is be. Is be true to myself and again, remind everyone that, hey, I said, if you apologize this, if you admit to that you were lying, that that is what I asked for. I never said how good the apology had to be. I never said how good. And some people say, well, he didn't really apologize. He's, He's.

[Greg Coker]

He's Tim's way.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, he's taken it to the chin for years now, and he's come out and said, hey, I apologize. So. And that aspect. I'm not. I'm not ready to fully say, hey, you know what? Tim. Tim's. Tim's good in my Eyes like it's. It's done. But I. I want to stress this. Tim has made some great strides towards becoming a better man. And just because he didn't do it all in one episode and completely change years of a bad habit into overnight, he's com. He's one. He's 100. A different, different person. I'm not going to take that. Threw the baby out the bad water and go. He's done. I. I won't do that. In fact, I'll do what I've. I said from the beginning, which I told him, if you do those things, I'll welcome you back with open arms and I'll be one of the first people to welcome you back into the community. And guess what, Tim. I know he's got the message. He is more than welcome to come on this show and continue this conversation. I'll tell you right now, and I'll tell you guys, if you ever see that it's going to happen. I'm not going to sit here and make Tim grovel before me and admit every single one of his lies. I will talk to him about it. I'll probably ask him some tough questions. But the. The bigger thing would be for him to move forward a better man doing great things. I will continue to check up on his stories. A little bit of trust but verify. But guess what? What I hope to be seeing is. Is tracking Tim and then getting to report the good things that he's now doing. And he's doing it with integrity and the truth. And that's what I hope comes from this. And I believe this could be the beginning of that.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So I'm not willing to go all the way and say, guess what? Tim is. Tim is forgiven and he's good to go. But I will say this. Tim is on a. Tim is on a. Tim is on a good path. He's on a good path. He's on him. He's in a much better path than he was when he was just adamantly denying everything or just pretending it'll all go away.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Don't want to, you know, make this speech longer than it has to be, but I am. I. This is a. This is a positive thing. And you won't guilt me any into thinking anything other than that.

[Greg Coker]

Yes. So they shouldn't.

[Brent Tucker]

So there's that. There is that.

[Greg Coker]

Good.

[Brent Tucker]

Drew, what do you think?

[Drew Hansen]

About which topic, my friend?

[Brent Tucker]

About what you just saw with Tim as our. As our.

[Drew Hansen]

I think it's progress.

[Brent Tucker]

As our spiritual elders.

[Drew Hansen]

As that guy. Well, which you are I think it's. I think it's progress, and I think it's the. The best you're gonna get from a narcissist. And that mean that's it. I mean, I remember his apology. His apology had excuses and lies in his apology. And so, I mean, it's progress. I'm very impressed. I will tell you. I'm very impressed with this video. I. I think he's definitely accepting, you know, the. The truth to a great. A much greater extent than before. So it's progress.

[Brent Tucker]

I'd like to. I'd like to think God is working in his heart and he's not done yet. That's what I. That's what. That's what. That's. I think that's what I pray for. That's what I want. It's what I hope is what I pray for.

[Greg Coker]

Goodness is in there. It's just got.

[Brent Tucker]

It's in there.

[Greg Coker]

He's got to face it.

[Brent Tucker]

It's in there. And I do believe this. I do believe if he came on this show, it started here. The veteran community knows that this is a place of integrity. And I think if you really wanted to end it like this is. This is really where this is. This is the final stop. And that's just concur. That's not me hyping up, like, who we are or anything like that. That's just. That's. We also can't ignore, you know, the facts. And I won't just let anyone on my show. I don't. I don't care. I don't need the views. I don't need the clicks. We stand on integrity, not on. Not on the size of our channel. And if. And if I'll have Tim sit in that chair and have a good, honest conversation with me about it. It's. It's for the. It's for the right reasons and people. And people will see that. And so that's. That's what I hope he does. Yeah, that's what I hope he does. Just get to some super chats real quick. And I know, I know it's going to be a long night. Stick with us. We still have Rob o' Neill to cover. Let's see what else we got.

[Greg Coker]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

Zubi says thoughts on Israel not getting enough votes for integrating the military together. Also, what's good with invading Mexico? We got like 5 million illegals from there. How is that not an invasion? Should we be at war with them?

[Brent Tucker]

I think it'd be easier just to send them back and build a wall. And no one. And no one has to die. This is going to be the. This is gonna be the. The. The weirdest quote of the night because, yeah, war is really fun, but it's. But it's also. It's also a very devastating thing, and it should be our last resort.

[Brian Callan]

I don't.

[Brent Tucker]

And I don't know enough about the Israel thing, about getting enough votes for integrating the military together. I. I'm. I'm not really tracking that.

[Drew Hansen]

I don't know what that is. Papa Penguin pontificate says troops act like they've been trained to act. Pretending any of this nonsense fell out of the clear blue sky is denying the rampant levels of moral rot present in certain places. We are reaping what leadership has sown.

[Brent Tucker]

Troops acting like they've been trained to act. I don't know. I don't really know exactly what. What that is in context. Are we missing some context there, Drew?

[Drew Hansen]

I. I think so.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Or is it the rant of a madman?

[Drew Hansen]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

Just kidding, Papa.

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah, Baba. Just in the chats. Clear up some context. Sorry, man. Troops act like they've been trained to act. All right. Holy folks says, Greg, do you believe in Bigfoot or UFOs? Any stories you can share and do you believe.

[Brian Callan]

Believe.

[Drew Hansen]

Outro Song Queen, whatever that is? I don't believe in love.

[Greg Coker]

Believe in love.

[Brent Tucker]

Queen's Reich. Yeah. Holy. Holy food. Good old holy food. Welcome to the Tier one podcast where you're going to get that question.

[Greg Coker]

I do not believe in Bigfoot, but we were out flying around one night in Area 51, and I did see some green stuff running around, so I don't know.

[Brent Tucker]

You mess it with me. Did you. You see some weird stuff out there?

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, I did.

[Magnet]

Do you think.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you think.

[Greg Coker]

Not just me, I mean, the group, dude, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Do you think we owned it, or do you just hope we owned it, whatever it was?

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, I. No, I think we owned it.

[Tim Kennedy]

Okay.

[Magnet]

I know.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I do think we would be pretty astonished to know what technology we. We really have out there.

[Greg Coker]

You hit it.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, I'm always hesitant to share some of these stories when it comes to things like that, but I can tell you this.

[Andy Stumpf]

I.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, me and your units, we're the top of the food chain in the military.

[Greg Coker]

Yes, sir.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, you know, TS clearances, because. That's Right. And seis. Secret compartmentalized information to be out there at some of those areas to be doing exercises and then told, hey, go inside. You can't see this. You can't see this. And it hurts.

[Tim Kennedy]

It hurts.

[Brent Tucker]

My little. My little. I'm on top of the food chain heart. Because I'm like. I guess I'm not. What do you mean? I can't see it. I can't see it.

[Greg Coker]

No, you did not see that.

[Drew Hansen]

Who's.

[Brent Tucker]

Who's higher than me? And. No. And they will. They will send you in and be like, you can't see this. We'll let you know when you can come out. When it's. When it's no longer in sight. So there. There are some pretty cool things out there that they don't. That they don't want anyone to know about. Including me.

[Greg Coker]

Everybody.

[Brent Tucker]

Including you.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Daniel Hayawatsi says England blew a 13 colony lead and a 10 goal lead.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

13 colony.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

All right. Drunk Christian says, what's the proper way to sit on a toilet? Facing the water bowl or your back to.

[Magnet]

Depends on what kind of night you're having.

[Brent Tucker]

No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.

[Greg Coker]

Male or female?

[Drew Hansen]

Sometimes you gotta lay your head down. Sometimes you just put your.

[Brent Tucker]

You just put your elbows on your.

[Brian Callan]

Your chin.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Greg Coker]

That's.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh my gosh. All right.

[Drew Hansen]

That's funny.

[Brent Tucker]

Holy f. The real questions.

[Drew Hansen]

Greg. Greg. Glock or Sig. Do you sit or stand to pee? And have you ever pulled your taint. All pre qualification questions to have a guest on the show? Song I Don't Believe in Love.

[Greg Coker]

There it is. Yeah. 1911 now.

[Brent Tucker]

Old school. I know that's. That is the old school favorite. It. It is made by who you got. You had a favorite manufacturer.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Caspian. That's solid.

[Greg Coker]

I used to build them. So.

[Brent Tucker]

Speaking of that.

[Greg Coker]

Springfield.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that's of course that, that's. That's.

[Tim Kennedy]

That's.

[Brent Tucker]

That's the. That's the go to. If the OG of the 1911.

[Greg Coker]

I do have my switching signal.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you?

[Greg Coker]

Yes, I do.

[Brent Tucker]

I can't. I don't. I can't believe you offered to give that to me as a gift. That's very. That was very. That was very kind of you. Very kind of you, Greg.

[Greg Coker]

I could afford a singer.

[Brent Tucker]

There's something kind of unique over on the. The desk area that I cannot mention or touch lest we get immediately pulled from. From the Internet. But there'll. That's the beginning of it. It has a. Has a laser engraved Tier 1 podcast on top of it. It will be the next Patreon giveaway. The only thing you got to do is be a Patreon member and you you don't have to sign up something else. I hate it when they're like, join this, sign this, do this, do that.

[Greg Coker]

We need your email.

[Brent Tucker]

Share this. Yeah, give me your email. It's just that simple. Become a Patreon member and you can have that Glock.

[Greg Coker]

It's a beautiful piece of work.

[Brent Tucker]

It is. It is cool. We're gonna put a red dot. We're gonna put a red dot on it.

[Magnet]

And we got.

[Brent Tucker]

And sites coming. And what's that?

[Magnet]

We have sites coming for.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we got sites coming for. It would have put a red dot on it. We're going to. We're going to do a few more things on it, but that will be the next one. And I love that paint job. That's. It's almost like a cool, like, black multicam color, but it's tiger stripe and it's in its design.

[Drew Hansen]

It looks like something out of the Predator movie.

[Brent Tucker]

I love it. Yeah, very. Thank you.

[Drew Hansen]

Thank you, Predator.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you, magnet from Lion Arms for getting that done. So.

[Magnet]

And just another one be.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, that's right. And just another 11 Bravo donated that. We're just. We're just tricking it out. So thank you guys. And you can talk to both of them on. On Patreon and get more information on guns in any gun you want. Between those two, you can get it figured out. All right. What else we got?

[Drew Hansen]

Drew it jumped on me, bro.

[Brent Tucker]

That happens.

[Drew Hansen]

I gotta find it.

[Greg Coker]

We could put an FRT in the Glock.

[Magnet]

Not down here.

[Drew Hansen]

Oh, crap. It's gonna be a long night.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right.

[Drew Hansen]

There it is.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, okay.

[Greg Coker]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

The real Justin says 68 W's exist because even 11 Bravos need heroes. Jay says, does Delta have medics on the assault teams? If so, are they trained as 18 Deltas or do they have their own program?

[Brent Tucker]

Every assaulter is a medic to some degree. Because the life you save better be your own. That's right. But no, the actual 18 Deltas and trained medics are not assaulters because if they get shot, who's gonna fix us? Who's gonna fix the serious wounds? Yeah, that's right.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

All right. Sec 8.11B says, with great love, man. Thank you so much for the gift. Hey, boys, have a drink on me. All right. Stuck watching an oil rig tonight, but this was will be my drive home background in the morning.

[Brent Tucker]

Ah, heck yeah. Thank you, sir.

[Drew Hansen]

Thank you very much, sir. Holy fook says, Greg, did you help train the British joint Special Forces Aviation Wing O. Good Question or work with in any way. Any stories you can share. Outro song Don't Believe in Love I.

[Brent Tucker]

They're really trying to get Queen's Reich up there just $10 at a time.

[Greg Coker]

Lacy DC no, I did not. I actually. I offered my services when they were starting. Starting that up.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. I wish they'd have called and said, hey, come to England.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

You know, hang out for a year.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you ever work with any foreign services? Aviation.

[Greg Coker]

Jordan. Jordanians.

[Brent Tucker]

Sorry.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Sorry you had to. Yeah, Yeah, I spent some time in Jordan.

[Greg Coker]

Did you? I did, yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

When you talk about goat and the Jordan. Jordan. That way, it's different, isn't it?

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

We talk about the goat connection between Jordan and. And. And a goat. The goat.

[Brent Tucker]

The goat. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Greatest of all time. Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

All right. Jizro is a fart sniffing goober.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

That's from V. Bismo. Thank you for that nugget. Liz says free Bissette from his debt. Can we do super chats to help Pat out?

[Magnet]

He's buy his book.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, go buy his book. That'll help him out for sure. Wiley Coyote.

[Drew Hansen]

Hi, Calioti. Man. Eat steak, drink whiskey, smoke a killer cigar. Homemade s' mores over a good fire. Sharing it all with great friends. When is it gonna happen? Soundgarden Jesus Christ. Is that Poser Posse for the outro?

[Brent Tucker]

We'll see. This I will tell you. I believe Keith has announced it on the Patreon, but we do have a Patreon meetup. It is confirmed. Magnet is it over in deland.

[Magnet]

Oh, perfect.

[Brent Tucker]

And. And the dates. The dates are. Should. If they're not, they will be tomorrow. I'll make sure they are. It. It is gonna happen. You don't have to go. Shoot. If you just want to come out there and hang out with the boys and eat steak, drink whiskey and smoke a killer cigar and do some homemade. Homemade s' mores over good fire. You could do that.

[Drew Hansen]

Join the Patreon.

[Brent Tucker]

Join the Patreon. All the details will be there. You can come down here in Florida and hang out as a group of patriots.

[Brian Callan]

I hear.

[Drew Hansen]

I hear Magnet might bring the hot dog roller.

[Magnet]

I was about to say that, actually.

[Drew Hansen]

All right. LeBron says, sup, dudes? Just got done with this ups shift. Ups ups in this heat wave. Oh, that's. That's rough, bro. Also, just a little something for beers. Also, you should try and get taco talks on the pod.

[Brent Tucker]

Taco talks. Do you know what that is, by chance? Who is this?

[Magnet]

Taco talks Only Hot dogs.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah. He knows hot dogs.

[Greg Coker]

Taco.

[Drew Hansen]

That's different. North, southeast, west says, hail to the furry in the sky.

[Brent Tucker]

Two Rs.

[Drew Hansen]

Thanks, Tier 1 for the great show.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, I know there's gonna be a bunch of super chats tonight. We've got to get to the second half of this show. Let's do it, Drew. Let's call it halftime. Okay, Two thirds time, but probably half time. Being honest with each other.

[Magnet]

Kidding.

[Brent Tucker]

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[Magnet]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Brian Callan]

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[Drew Hansen]

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[Brent Tucker]

Do not forget our bourbon right there. There she is. Also on the website, if you're not enjoying a Thursday night without some FRCC bourbon and a cigar, you're doing it wrong. Over to Magnet to give us an update on what, what President Trump said tonight. What was it about?

[Magnet]

So he declassified the voter fraud. He talked about that. He said there was over a quarter of a million illegal, whatever you want to call them that voted in our federal election. And also, you know, the SAFE act did pass today through the Senate. So now it has to go to Congress. And the SAFE act is the, the House. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Magnet]

And it has to, after it passes that, then you'll be required to show ID for voting. So that's good. He did mention that. And if you go on the White House website, he said that all the declassified information said China had a lot to do with voting in 2020. So if you guys go on there, it's all declassified after tonight.

[Brent Tucker]

That's sickening. That's sickening that we can't, we can't keep them out. And that's, I'm not saying you go to war over that. I mean, maybe that's, that's a stretch. But there has to be a penalty for meddling in our election. You can't. That's one of our most sacred things as an American. How do they get away with it without some sort of punishment? I Don't like it said.

[Magnet]

Go to your.

[Brent Tucker]

Go to your what?

[Magnet]

Go to your Congress people and call them and let them know. Yeah, vote for that safe act.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that. That sounds like such a. I don't say dumb thing, but like, you know, wasted effort, energy. I'm telling you, that is how sometimes the left gets what they want because all those Karens will call and bug their congressmen and it seems to them like this is a very important issue, so it can sway their minds.

[Magnet]

And what they crazy is it barely passed.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I. What. It did. It did. And hopefully, hopefully the House, you know, we still control the House, and hopefully it passes the House as well. All right, let's. Let's get to the second half of this thing. I know the super chats are going to, you know, let's do like five super chats and let's head over to the Robin Neal portion of the show because there's some, some fun ones on that one.

[Drew Hansen]

All right, let's see if this is right. Okay. The real Justin G. 87 says just former line medic with a dep to Iraq with the 101st. What disgusts me most about TK is the lying about shite that would scar you mentally. I would pay to forget shite. And he wants to get paid for it.

[Brent Tucker]

That is. That is true. And again, I'm hoping that that comment you made at some point is a. Is old Tim and, And isn't relevant anymore. And I, And I'm desperately hoping he gives us reason to. To believe that. And I'm.

[Magnet]

I'm.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't.

[Andy Stumpf]

I don't know.

[Magnet]

I'm.

[Brent Tucker]

I, I'm slightly optimistic that he will. Let's see.

[Drew Hansen]

Tyler Pierce says, did you enjoy being on a special forces dive team doing maritime operations also, does CAG have maritime dive teams or capabilities?

[Brent Tucker]

I loved being on a dive team. I hated diving to some degree because the military does. The military does and takes all the fun out of fun things. I bet flying a helicopter is pretty fun.

[Greg Coker]

It is.

[Brent Tucker]

Did the 160th steal that joy from you to some degree? No, it's always. It was. It's always fun.

[Greg Coker]

Always fun.

[Brent Tucker]

That might be. Yeah. I've never thought about that way the military can take the joy out of skydiving. Mff. Not that fun. Diving. Crazy fun. Combat diving. Not that fun. You know, going up and down mountains. Yeah, it can be fun. People do that for fun. Do it with a hundred pounds in your back. No, no longer fun goats looking at you. But, but, but flying the military doesn't steal that joy.

[Greg Coker]

They do not. They can't.

[Brent Tucker]

No matter how hard they try, war

[Greg Coker]

officers knows what to do with us.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, I love it. All right, what's next, Drew?

[Drew Hansen]

Holy fook says, Greg, have you ever run out of fuel in the Halo or Hilo? If not, what is the closest? Have you had any controlled crash landings? Did you pull your taint on landing? Outro song I don't believe in. I guess holy folks still just 10

[Brent Tucker]

bucks at a time. Getting after time.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

No, I never ran out of gas. I did not. Came close one time. And what was the rest of it?

[Brent Tucker]

You ever crash land? Yeah, they'll crash it.

[Greg Coker]

I did not crash. I got shot down. There is a difference.

[Drew Hansen]

He gives the story on his episode. You guys check it out when it gets published.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Get the book.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And get the book Better. And he has it in audible, which is great. A lot of people use it.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It's called Death waiting in the dark. Yeah. Have you ever pulled your taint?

[Greg Coker]

No, never.

[Andy Stumpf]

Just me.

[Brent Tucker]

Just me.

[Magnet]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. One of one bacon forged.

[Drew Hansen]

Good evening, gents. Best day of the week. Thursdays are for the Patriots.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

All right. For bacon forge. It's not much of a secret anymore that I have a Corvette. And I'm not ashamed of it.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I love Corvettes.

[Greg Coker]

I had one.

[Drew Hansen]

I do.

[Magnet]

I know it's.

[Brent Tucker]

I know it's a cliche. Midlife white guy crisis vehicle.

[Magnet]

I don't.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't view it as that.

[Tim Kennedy]

I love them.

[Brent Tucker]

I think they're amazing machines. Oh, they are.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

He said no. No Corvette owners. Complete without leather jacket. The leather Corvette jacket nerd gotta have. And he sent me one, and I love it.

[Greg Coker]

Oh, that's cool.

[Brent Tucker]

And I love it.

[Drew Hansen]

Looks good. Mr. Hassel.

[Magnet]

That was. That was his reward to himself for pulling his tank.

[Drew Hansen]

I'm going to get him a little red skinny sticker for the front of that black car.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, all right.

[Drew Hansen]

The crew table says shout out allegiance or.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Ink. Just got some work from my homie. Traditional. Chuck.

[Brent Tucker]

Nice.

[Drew Hansen]

They're tuning in for the episode. Thank you. You guys are the best.

[Greg Coker]

Cool.

[Drew Hansen]

I appreciate all you do.

[Brent Tucker]

Absolutely.

[Greg Coker]

Cool.

[Drew Hansen]

Holy f. Greg, what is your favorite terrain environment to fly in and what is the worst? How good of a weatherman are you? Did you learn about weather, especially while flying and identifying weather changes?

[Brent Tucker]

All good questions.

[Greg Coker]

Weather will kill you before bullets. As a army aviator, yes. We become experts in forecasting weather because the weather guessers never look out the window.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. We.

[Magnet]

We.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. We loved our weather, guys. I did get a weather brief one day, so it was clear. Blue 22, we're getting ready to take off. Go to range two nine. Shoot. You know.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

And I'm like, dude, have you looked out the window?

[Brent Tucker]

That's got to be.

[Greg Coker]

I said, go to the door. It was snowing sideways.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

And gave us a clear weather.

[Brent Tucker]

Gosh, it's clear to them.

[Magnet]

They don't have to fly.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Your favorite terrain.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. Favorite train was over water. And worst trains, desert.

[Brent Tucker]

Why you love over water so much, man?

[Greg Coker]

It was just so calming.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

You know, you're at 20ft above the water, just cruising. Yes. I loved it. Most guys hated it. Oh, really? Yeah. But I just. I settled in.

[Brent Tucker]

I can say that's cool.

[Greg Coker]

It is.

[Magnet]

And it's a softer.

[Greg Coker]

Can you swim?

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Do you have a Heeds bottle?

[Drew Hansen]

Mason thart says, tell Mr. Greg his vanguard review was the best and most entertaining podcast I've ever listened to.

[Greg Coker]

Wow.

[Drew Hansen]

Thank you for your service and loving our country.

[Greg Coker]

Thank you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, Love it. Well, love it.

[Drew Hansen]

Solely back in says, why weren't body cams used by Seal Team 6 for UBL raid? I thought it was normal for tier 1 units to use them. If they were used, there could be no dispute.

[Brent Tucker]

They're not used, nor do I believe, should they be used. I believe to some degree. I think the American public wants results, but I don't think the American public wants to see how the hot dog is made. I don't think there's anything good that can come from. From that. And I know what you're going to say. You're gonna say, well, here's one good thing, you know, knowing the truth on the ground. That's why we do what we do. We talk about integrity.

[Greg Coker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

You should. You shouldn't need body cameras to tell you the truth that happened on the ground. The operators should tell you the truth is on the ground.

[Andy Stumpf]

Absolutely.

[Brent Tucker]

So it's not a body camera issue. It's a person. It's an integrity issue. Absolutely.

[Drew Hansen]

T bone to Mr. CO. Did you ever have any unruly SOF passengers?

[Brent Tucker]

That's a good question. That's a good question.

[Drew Hansen]

That would bring you on target. You had to look back and tell them to don't make you turn this hilo around.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, I always thought that. That, you know, everything was good question. So kosher, you know, like. But you fly enough and with, you know, enough things, get emotional at times. Put me down here, whatever it is, the chance of either it happening to you or, or knowing, you know, someone on that mission. To have an unruly passenger as low as a percentage, I think that is, maybe it's happened before.

[Greg Coker]

Very low now. No soft packs that I knew of or ever heard of. And, and I flew guns. So you had, you know, it's a better question for the mh.

[Brent Tucker]

That's what I was like. Any mission you were on or heard of for, for the guys.

[Greg Coker]

But I, I was on a mission and it was, it was December 8th, 2003. Hit a target, got like eight dudes off target. And then this blonde haired, she had to been an Eastern European. She looked it. And I mean, very, very beautiful woman. What she was doing with all these Iraqi gangsters. Beyond me. But anyway, she was unruly. And I landed and then the MH landed right next to me. And I was watching because she'd been kicking and fighting and, and sergeant major just walked over there and her back was to the door and he just grabbed her cuffs and just yanked her off that helicopter. Yeah. And she was stiff, you know, Gosh. Had a bag on her head. That's the only one I've ever seen.

[Brent Tucker]

Leave it, leave it to a liberal white woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's about who it would be. We've, I've never, not saying it's never happened. I've never really had even like call them POWs or detainees.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Like unruly detainee passengers either. Usually by the time they get on a bird. Yeah, they're pretty scared.

[Greg Coker]

They're scared.

[Brent Tucker]

There's. They're blindfolded, they're handcuffed, they're around, large

[Greg Coker]

bag on their head. They got a bag dog breathing on them.

[Brent Tucker]

They're about to go into a helicopter. They've never, they've never seen or thought about flying. It's crazy. They are so quiet. In fact, sometimes they'll sit there, shake.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Pee themselves. Anything but be unruly. They've always been really docile, which is always crazy. I won't tell you exactly how we know this, but it's not that big of a secret. But I'd like to like to play by the rules. We may or may not know some of the things they were just saying 24 hours before this about what badasses they were.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Only to see them pee themselves and shake on the helicopter and not be the badasses they claim to be and told all their men that they were and expected them to pee. That's. That's sweet justice right there. When you get to see that it is.

[Greg Coker]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

What do you want to do, Brent?

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, let's. Let's go to the.

[Brian Callan]

Let's go to the.

[Brent Tucker]

Matt, miss that episode. It has to be covered. It needs to be covered.

[Drew Hansen]

I'm ready when you are.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm ready, sir.

[Drew Hansen]

You want this.

[Andy Stumpf]

Here it comes as to me, there's nothing to be gained from that. I would love for at some point the stories to be able to overlap, because without that, it allows space in between the two, and that's where the Internet goes crazy.

[Matt Bissonnette]

My problem is I don't see a lot of space between the two. I know what I saw. I know what we witnessed. And then I know we all came back and did a debrief with everybody in the room that was audio recorded. So if. If. If the other version says there was lying going on in the debrief, I

[Brian Callan]

don't know what the.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That means. I've never lied in an AAR debrief because. Well, it's not lying. You may have your perspective.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, we all know you might have

[Matt Bissonnette]

your perspective admission, but you do. The debrief is. So everybody else talks about their perspective and how they match up or how they don't.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

And you work through that.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

So when we did the debrief, it was.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Different people talked in different areas. But then when the point man came

[Brent Tucker]

up, he's going to talk about the point man.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

We said this before when Rob o' Neal was on Andy Stump's podcast, and he talked about lying during the debrief to try to cut his tracks about why his story of being the only man in the room to kill bin Laden is. Is falling apart in front of his face. And so he. He did the classic version of covering up a lie with another lie. And. And let's hope that works out. It doesn't usually work out well. And it didn't work out well for him. He got slaughtered in the comment section. And good. So that's. And Matt Bissonnette. Matt Bissonnet has done a very good job. Even. I'll be. I'll be honest. Sometimes, to my disdain, I say that not on. On the. Not that strongly as. As, like as I'm mad at him. Just. But Matt knows the truth. And when. When given, say, the Sean Ryan podcast, other podcasts, he's done. Matt's book is wildly different when it comes to how UBL was killed on their mission. Was. Is wildly different than. Than Rob's version. Everything's the same until the third floor of the compound. And then things get wildly different. And this is the difference is to catch everybody up. And I, I know this seems silly to have to recover to. To cover it, but not everyone knows this. And I have to explain to people, like, well, Rob's version isn't that different. Like, well, then you don't know Rob's version. Then you, you know. Then you don't know what you're talking about. Okay, the difference is this. In Rob's version, Rob says there was only two of them that went to the third floor and that the point man, when he got up there. And it's a little unclear, really depends on which version you hear. He either ran into the hallway and pushed women and kids to the side, or he went. Or he went in the room and pushed women and kids to the side in the one room. Either way, it leaves Rob to be the only person face to face with ubo, the world's number one terrorist. And he says he shoots him in the face while he's standing up and shoots him in the face for a third time on the ground. And, And America's a winner. Okay, that is one version.

[Greg Coker]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

It takes every teammate away from it. It makes him the sole hero of the mission.

[Greg Coker]

If that's one operator went in that room.

[Brent Tucker]

Room, yes.

[Greg Coker]

By himself.

[Brent Tucker]

By himself. That's. It's unclear because Rob is unclear whether the point man was in the room with them just dealing with women and children, or if he went into the hallway to deal with the women and children. Okay, that's, that's, that's unknown, but it's without a doubt, not confusing at all that he claims that him and only him killed bin Laden. Matt Bissonnette claims, as they were moving up to the third floor, he claims, and it's important, Rob says everyone was busy clearing the second floor. Him and the point man saw movement upstairs, and they had to move. And that's why only two people went to the third floor. They had to. Matt Bissonnette says, hey, we knew UBL lived on the third floor, and we basically blew by the. The second floor because everybody was in a hurry to get. To get the big guy. And I, I'm just telling you, I can see that. That, that. That checks out. That's normal. And in Rob's. In Matt's. Version, he says the point man takes a shot at a head that pokes out of the room, that he sends two to that shadowy figure. He falls back into the room. A team of Navy seals goes in there, put security shots into him, and that's how he died. Those are two very different stories. One says, I and I alone killed him. And the other one says, a team, a team of Navy seals came in here and did the job. One is very not normal for one person, one person alone to be in a room or to be the sole shooter because we're entering room so fast, multiple people are going to shoot. It's. It's a wild story. Is it, Is it, Is it zero chance that it could ever happen? Anything could happen. Anything could happen.

[Magnet]

But he also said that the point man missed.

[Brent Tucker]

He. Sometimes he mentions the point man shooting, sometimes he doesn't. It depends on which story you got from him. And he says, and. But he does mention that in some way. Does say the point man shot. Either says he missed or he'll go, I don't know what he was shooting at. You'll have to ask him. Which is just kind of crazy. Anyway, I wanted to paint the picture of what the two different stories are. And Matt has always done to, again, to my, to my dismay, a good job of not attacking Rob's story head on. He's always been, hey, I don't want to talk about. I'm kind of paraphrasing. I don't want to talk about the other story. I'm just going to tell you what I saw. I'm just going to tell you what I saw. Well, I guess Matt's finally had enough of it. Matt's finally like, you know what? I'm gonna tell you what's. What's wrong with this story and why it makes no sense. And I'm gonna tell you what really happens for the first time. Matt, Miss Annette hits this thing head on. And it's about time someone did. Yeah, because I can say it all I want. I can tell you how Rob's story makes no sense on a tactical level. I can, and I, and I have before. I could just pick it apart. But people will say, well, you weren't there. Well, guess what? Matt was there. And he happens to say exactly what I said, which includes an exact what you said. I didn't have to be there to know they didn't lie in a debrief. That was what Matt's talking about. They didn't lie in a debrief. That defeats the point of a debrief.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, let's keep going.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Drew going up the stairs. He's the one who talked through all of the final sequences. Nobody interrupted, nobody talked about. Nobody talked about a second train. Nobody said there was A delay. Nobody talked about. Hey, there was only two guys. The point man talked about shooting and moving into the room.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

This. This whole question of the point man missing.

[Brian Callan]

I don't.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I didn't see a miss.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

And I don't know why we would need to lie about him missing or lie about COVID up any form of. There was a woman killed on the first floor.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That we talked about in the debrief on the first floor.

[Andy Stumpf]

It's in the movie.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

So now we're not going to talk about a woman being wounded on the third floor or talk about somebody missing a shot. That doesn't make any sense.

[Greg Coker]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

It's positive right there. That's. He brings up a great, great point and it debunks Rob's theories. Well, we lied because we had to cover some things up because not everything. You know, if. When things happen, we're not going to tell the boss man that things went wrong because, you know, that's. He doesn't need to know those things. And I. And we. And we omit that on. On for. For his behalf, and that's just not true. We don't do that. But not only do we not do that, Matt has a great point to say. Why would we do that on the third floor when there's already been some. We'll say it's not wrong. It's questionable, like, to some degree, but they've already shot an unarmed woman. Yeah, but that. That woman was acting erratic and going for her dead husband's gun, if I remember that one. Right. But they admitted that, so why now on the third floor would they have to be like, all right, now we have to start covering things up.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, Amal got shot in the leg. Let's cover that up. You depending on how Amal was acting, if she's rushing at an assaulter, she's lucky she only got shot in the leg.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, there's nothing to cover up. It makes no sense. The truth always can stand on its own against logic. And Matt, not only is he. Is he telling the truth from being there, he's proving it's the truth by backing it up with logic. Yeah, right, because it makes no sense. What Rob said.

[Magnet]

What about the. Hold on. What about the other story where he said that was behind the women with his hands on the shoulder? Remember, he said that, too.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, yeah. What's your question, though?

[Magnet]

Well, no, that's what I'm saying. So how can he. They said that the person was shot with his head poking Out. And now you're saying that Rob.

[Brent Tucker]

Right.

[Magnet]

Goes into the room again.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Two different stories from two different narratives that couldn't be any further from the truth. And then here's the problem that I'll always have with Rob's story. I can't hear myself, Drew. Or can I? Okay.

[Magnet]

Sorry.

[Brent Tucker]

I apologize.

[Brian Callan]

It's okay.

[Brent Tucker]

That I'll always have is Rob has admitted that Amal got. Got shot in the leg. Rob, if you were the only one in that room or the only one shooting in that room, and your shots were two to the head and one one at the base, and then you immediately went and put them all on the bed because you have such a big heart, who shot them all?

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, where'd she get the magic bullet? It. There's. It. There's no room in your story for that. But anyway, let's. Let's. Let's keep going to see what. See what Matt has to say.

[Matt Bissonnette]

You're gonna have to get everybody in the room to go along with that story.

[Brent Tucker]

You're gonna have to coordinate a whole

[Matt Bissonnette]

bunch of people to lie.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, right. To.

[Matt Bissonnette]

To act like they didn't see what they actually saw. That's why a debrief is what it is.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Everybody in the debrief shares their opinion. If you talk about your movements and. And it's pretty simple. When you're going up a set of stairs.

[Drew Hansen]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

It's not.

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean, I haven't cleared every set of stairs, but I've cleared a lot of stairs.

[Drew Hansen]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, let's. I won't. I won't talk too much, and I don't want to take the momentum away from it.

[Magnet]

But just.

[Brent Tucker]

Let me just say, debriefs usually happen pretty quick. I've done debriefs in Kit still. I've done debriefs for, like, put your kid away and then come right back to this room. You have to talk about it while it's fresh on your mind.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

That's really important. So Matt makes another good point about, hey, if you're gonna lie on a debrief, like, you're going to have to get. Get everyone in on this lie, because everyone, anyone who's not in on it, they will stand up and say, hey, that's.

[Greg Coker]

No, I didn't see it.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't. Yeah, that's not what happened, by the way. This whole mission was done with one and two ICs, and I think a couple three ICs, but they're all senior, senior guys in a troop okay, so. Or within the squadron. So it's not like you're gonna bully a 4ic who's like, well, that's not what I saw. But I don't think I'll. I'll speak up thing. They're all senior guys who have no problem saying it. So the other problem with this is the debrief happens very quickly. So you don't have time to run to everyone and say, everyone, gather up real quick. Let's get on the same sheet of music. This lie. And everyone has to agree that this, what we're going to do is lie. Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

And they're all from different teams. It's not like they're all the. The home unit and they're a bunch of buddies.

[Magnet]

Right?

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I mean, that is true. Different troops aren't always really close. Like, you know, it's. All right, let's see what else he has to say.

[Matt Bissonnette]

But if you're a point man talking about you clearing up a single set of stairs, it's not a lot of leeway for other people to see different things. He just talks through his actions. The shot that the point man took.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

What SEAL out there is not going to follow his shots?

[Andy Stumpf]

It's a good question.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Tactically, that is what we're taught. Your threat matrix. What's your biggest threat out there? Unknown. Mail.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

You know, everybody knew bin Laden most likely lived on the third floor. He had just eliminated Khalid on the second in the landing with a gun. You have to assume, right. The guy on the third floor is armed.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

So he takes a shot. Enough within the rules of engagement to shoot at that head.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

And he decides to stay in the hallway. He decides to come off.

[Brent Tucker]

You know what's crazy? Again, Every point he's making is literally the same point that I've made that says this doesn't make sense. And now Matt's finally saying it. The reason why me and him have the same exact points of why this doesn't make sense is because we're both Tier one operators and we went through the same training, and those are CQB truths. This isn't. This isn't SEAL specific. This isn't Delta specific. This is Tier one. This is cqb.

[Brian Callan]

Really?

[Brent Tucker]

Not even Tier one. A white side SEAL knows to follow his shots. A Green Beret knows to follow his shots. Really? They may not have the reps to. To make it. Muscle memory. The 82nd guy knows to follow his shots in the CQB training. He does. And so to think that these senior guys who know CQB the best. Best in the world. I mean, Delta Force and SEAL Team Six, both best in the world. And you have team leaders and assistant team leaders who have been doing it the longest. He's gonna forget to follow his shots. No, no, no, I can't buy that. I can. We'll never buy that.

[Magnet]

But that's my point about his story that he said that he was standing behind bin Laden, was standing behind the women inside the room. And if the ruling of engagement, what he's saying, then how's that in the rules of engagement? If you're saying that you walked in the room and he's standing behind Amal and whoever else was in there.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I understand what you're saying about the rules of engagement, but here's. And people wouldn't know this unless they did what I did, which was looking and I didn't do anything, which was do it. Everything. Look at every single one of his podcasts and try to figure out the. What Rob's. Rob says at the beginning of his podcast career that he saw an AK47 over by the bed and that ra. Then the Osama looked at it and made a move for it, like, almost like a twitch move for it, and he immediately shot him.

[Greg Coker]

Yep.

[Brent Tucker]

He kind of quit saying that part for whatever reason. But that would be him saying that. Well, that's. That's what gave me the authorization to shoot him because I saw him going for his gun. But hold on for a second, because Matt's going to tell you where his gun was. All right, let's keep going.

[Matt Bissonnette]

The. The known threat that he just shot at and chased women and kids. What team guys doing that? Why?

[Magnet]

Where?

[Matt Bissonnette]

And then where are the kids? Where's the women and kids? I've heard 38 different versions from other people of where the women were, the women were in the room. Right. That's where the chick was wounded in the leg. Women were in the room, not out of the room. So if the first week you can pull up the sketches in the layout of the third floor, right up the set of stairs, open door on the right.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Shots go right. Point man follows his shots to the doorway. He doesn't stay in the hallway. He doesn't come off of where he just shot at an adult male head in bin Laden's compound on the third floor.

[Andy Stumpf]

Tactically, what you're saying, who is all

[Matt Bissonnette]

of a sudden gonna be like, okay, even.

[Brent Tucker]

Even Andy. Andy's like. Tactically, what you're saying makes sense.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

This way there's Just nobody that does that. There's not a team out there that does that. You follow your shots. And that's exactly what he did.

[Brent Tucker]

He wasn't at the stairwell.

[Andy Stumpf]

Were you guys able to be double stacked?

[Tim Kennedy]

There's a picture of.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Pull it up online.

[Andy Stumpf]

Are you serious?

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Shows you how little I've been looking at it.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, double speed. This drew.

[Brian Callan]

Jesus, Michael.

[Brent Tucker]

This seems pretty good.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That's not the best picture. You could you pull some up from my book. And then there's an actual live shot of the stairwell.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I'll see where they. You see blood on it from where they drug them down the other reason.

[Tim Kennedy]

Pretty narrow hallway and so.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, he's gonna bring up that picture now. They're going back.

[Andy Stumpf]

Point man in your front and the stack behind you. And you take that shot, you might be the only person to see what it is you had taken the shot at. So, yes, tactically what you're saying is it would make. Unless you had some other incredibly compelling reason what you would have to follow that.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Because what's the higher threat than that? You're. They've told you lives on the third floor. Stick out the male head on the third floor. You. You're willing to take a shot at it. But now all of a sudden, something changes. And you're going to stay in the hallway or you're going to stay in another room, or you're not going to follow your shots.

[Greg Coker]

Were they under MVGs or were there lights?

[Matt Bissonnette]

Doesn't make sense. It doesn't work.

[Brent Tucker]

Low lume.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That's why he would have been the first person in the room.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

And any other versions don't work.

[Magnet]

Where were you?

[Andy Stumpf]

Just so people. I mean, you did an excellent job describing all this on the Sean Ryan episode. Fantastic episode, by the way. So people can understand. What? I don't think they often understand so many things.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Wait, people don't understand things?

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, I think they want to believe that it's. It's running around and yelling and ultra high speed. And the reality is oftentimes it's slow and quiet. You know what I mean?

[Matt Bissonnette]

Well, let's talk about the pacing.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

This was not a hostage rescue style mission where it was burned through the house.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Where you absorb the maximum amount of risk as you're trying to save.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Save a hostage message. That wasn't it. We had. We had evolved our tactics a little bit. I talk a lot about, hey, don't, don't run to your death. Right. Let's be slow and methodical. There was no Rush, the only sense of urgency was, okay, do they have sfs, Is the house rigged to blow and are they prepping some, but that's still not dictating our tactics to just sprint upstairs.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

So it was slow and methodical, the two trains going up the stairs. I just don't understand. I don't see. I don't. You can talk and maybe I'll get him to come to an interview with you. He was the, the breacher that breached the, the bottom of the stairs. He's the point man that led up to the, the second floor. And he'll tell you, he's like, yeah, I stood there and called for more bodies for a handful of minutes. Minutes, probably a long time, but yeah, because everybody was going busting right by him to go to the third floor.

[Brent Tucker]

So this is really important.

[Greg Coker]

I don't.

[Brent Tucker]

And I hope people understand what he just said, like how, how wildly different that was than Rob o' Neill's version. Rob o' Neal said they had to go to the third floor because everyone was still clearing the second floor. They saw movement. So they made the decision to go up there just as a two man element. Like, we got, we gotta go.

[Tim Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, the reality was, according to Matt, and again it checks out with me logically, knowing the mindset of, of the boys, sure, they knew this was Bin Laden's house and they've all said that they knew it was. And they've also said, I mean, we thought it was, we hoped it was, but it wasn't until really we landed. And when we got to the first floor, we saw a huge metal door going to that inside. The front door was open and on the bottom floor. But they knew that from imagery.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

But so they, they assumed it would still be open and when they got inside. But what they couldn't see is when they got inside there was a room, but in that room leading into the rest of the compound was a big fortified metal door. And they had to stop and deal with that metal door. And I know this from fighting in three different countries and going after high value targets. You want to know what I've never seen on the first floor? A massive metal door keeping, keeping someone really important safe, safe. And so they say, they say the guys I talked to when we saw that, no one really said it, but it had the same feeling. I, I think this is it, Jack. Yeah, this is it. That was like our confirmation moment. And then. And we, and their information was told, you'll probably run into Khalid on the second floor. And they Ran into him in the stairwell. And when they ran into Khalid on the. In the stairwell and the point man shot him and killed him with an AK when. Now they have two things. Big metal door we've never seen. Yeah, Khalid is on the second floor. And so now they're all excited because they're, they said, well, you know what, you know, the next thing is if everything else has been right, the dominoes are falling. The dominoes are falling. Bid lawns on the third floor. We have to get to them. We have to get to them now. And everybody ran to the third floor. Tactically not correct, or I almost don't want to say not correct. Tactically not normal. You normally clear a building systematically, but if you have information telling you where the high value target is, you can absolutely bypass to. It was they didn't do it based off no information. They had indicators and they decided to act on that. Not wrong.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

The point man going up to the second floor wasn't wrong by holding on to the second floor because. Well, one, you have to hold on to that. You have to pull security long and make sure everyone get to the third floor. But he was, he was assuming people were coming with him, that we're going to systematically clear this the way we always do. And when the guy on the second floor says, I was there holding, waiting for a squeeze, waiting for people, and no one came because the whole train went to the third floor. If that's true, and Matt even said, I'll get you the guy on the show to talk to him, that, that did that, that would absolutely blow Rob's story completely out of the water. Saying that we didn't have the manpower to go to the third floor because everyone's on the second floor. And Matt saying the second floor wasn't an issue at all because we, we essentially ignored it, which means they would. Had to come back and clear it after the third floor. And we just ran to the third floor. And if that's true, you had all the manpower in the world. There's no. It blows. It blows your two train theory out of the water. When he lied about lying and he goes, actually, well, what happened? There's two different trains. There was no two trains. There was no. Just two people going up there. There was one long train of bloodthirsty SEAL Team 6 operators that wanted to kill Osama bin Laden.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And they were. Then they weren't wrong by doing it.

[Greg Coker]

No, no. Did they have to breach that steel door?

[Brent Tucker]

They did.

[Greg Coker]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

They did. Yep. I think they, if I remember, right. They.

[Magnet]

They.

[Brent Tucker]

I think they banded together a couple different charges that the guys had on them to make a bigger charge, and then they got through it.

[Magnet]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, let's keep going. Drew. That was such. That's such a huge part. That part of the story alone takes Rob's whole version out.

[Greg Coker]

Wow.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Everybody was going by. He got some guys to help him clear the second floor because we all blew right past him to the third

[Andy Stumpf]

floor, which is the opposite of the other publicly recognized narrative where there wasn't enough bodies.

[Matt Bissonnette]

And all of a sudden, the split happened between second.

[Andy Stumpf]

Clear the second floor. So they were left holding on the

[Brent Tucker]

third, got excited, got ahead of it, but they covered it in a proper debrief.

[Matt Bissonnette]

You hear from all these different angles, and you hear from the guy there who's like, yeah, man. Everybody.

[Brent Tucker]

He's like, best.

[Matt Bissonnette]

You were a train jumper.

[Brian Callan]

You. You blew right past.

[Brent Tucker]

You went upstairs.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I'm like, oh, I guess I did.

[Andy Stumpf]

Listen, sometimes you have to jump the train Sometimes. Yeah, sometimes. Where were you? Just so people. Again, you can do a. The deep dive with Sean was fantastic, but I want people to understand what you would have been able to see versus what you wouldn't have been able to see. Just to encapsulate that.

[Matt Bissonnette]

If you guys can find the picture of the hallway.

[Brent Tucker]

Good.

[Brian Callan]

Michael, do your research.

[Andy Stumpf]

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[Brent Tucker]

and that stress or anxiety. It's his personal.

[Andy Stumpf]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Andy Stumpf]

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[Brent Tucker]

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[Andy Stumpf]

No, he didn't.

[Greg Coker]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

2x this teamwork.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, that is true. It's from Yadwee's book, so.

[Brian Callan]

No, no. That's where my first book.

[Andy Stumpf]

How did you send the stairwell pictures?

[Brent Tucker]

There it is.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right, so that's pretty tight stairwell.

[Greg Coker]

It's not that tight.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, it's tight enough not to put two people up at a time, but

[Andy Stumpf]

it's just so we can make it stand alone.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a good stairwell to work as a one man.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Were you able to see versus not able to see?

[Matt Bissonnette]

Not a enormous amount, but enough to see a.

[Andy Stumpf]

So that 180 goes up to Michael. Go one more image back. So does that 180 lead to the third? Got you right there.

[Tim Kennedy]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Okay. Entry room. Okay.

[Matt Bissonnette]

This is why I said when the point man took the shots.

[Brent Tucker]

Yep.

[Matt Bissonnette]

The wives were not in the hallway. The wives were not across the hallway. The wives were in the bedroom behind the man.

[Andy Stumpf]

And you were saying there is so why would.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Why would the point man take shots and then stay in an empty hallway that he can very clearly see as an empty hallway.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Very easily see. Or why would he take shots and then go into another bedroom? How would he let anybody around him to now enter the room in front of him? I don't know. I don't know rules of engagement.

[Brent Tucker]

That's why we don't.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Capture or kill. This was not a kill only mission. Right. We were. If he was. Did not present a threat.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I think other versions have said the women were in the room.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Bin Laden was hiding behind one of the women. So the mod was hiding behind one of the women. Where are the women that were outside the room that the point man diverted to? I don't understand.

[Brent Tucker]

That was the bear hugging. And I just want to point this out. When it comes to just, you know, I don't expect everyone to go back to, you know, older episodes or remember everything I said. The other problem with Rob's account of him holding a mall as a human shield, which Magnet brought up is that the White House themself. When questioned about Amal being a human shield, they came out. And you can Google it still to this day and find it. And the White House says no one. We can confirm that no one was being held as a human shield. The White House itself said no one was being held as a human shield. So if you don't believe me and you don't believe Matt, I don't know, believe the White House, but all three of us can't be wrong. All right, let's keep going.

[Andy Stumpf]

Interesting thing afterwards, right. That the other version talks about. He basically took a shot, but then

[Matt Bissonnette]

corralled the way hugged, right? Yeah, but the women were in the room. The women weren't in the hallway. So if he. If he took a shot and then stayed in the hallway. Sure, but there was no women in the hallway. There was no women across the room. The women were in the room. So he would have had to enter the room. He shot the guy on the ground, which is what I say shot him. He's on the ground now. He enters the room and pushes the two women back. I listened to your interview with the other guy the other day. He mentions in that interview, I don't know if you remember, that the point man jumped on the two women and the women had grenades.

[Andy Stumpf]

Did he say that on that?

[Matt Bissonnette]

He said that. Listen to it. Your interview, he said I should have recommended for the Medal of Honor.

[Drew Hansen]

He jumped on.

[Matt Bissonnette]

They didn't go off Those women did not have grenades. They didn't have anything. There was no sfs, there was no explosives. One of the women had been some shot, wounded, something in the leg, the calf area. I didn't deal with her much. I was taking photos of the body

[Brent Tucker]

and maybe right about that but of course I watched that and we covered it. I don't remember Rob saying that they definitely had grenades. I believe Rob said that they might have had grenades and they might have had an S vest but Matt seems pretty adamant about that and he might be right but at least want to correct the. Not correct the record but at least say and he doesn't remember that and I'm not so sure that's what he said. I believe he said he might have but anyway I just want to, again just want to be fair and I call it as I see it all that.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

But somehow she had been wounded. So I, I just, if you can explain to me where the women were because a lot of the versions I've heard from the other people or the women were in the room and Bin Laden was hiding behind them or whatever.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Where's. Where's the threat? The rules of Engage. Where's the gun?

[Andy Stumpf]

I know they eventually found one in the room, but it was in the trip she found ssc. Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Above the door on a shelf. Bin Laden standing in the doorway right above the shelf. Troop leader found an AK five minutes into the search.

[Brent Tucker]

So let me, let me. Where's above the door And I just want to paint that picture. So if you're walking into the door you have, what do you want to call that drop down piece of, you know the, the top of the door that's part of the wall. I'm sure there's a word for that but you couldn't see it walking in. But if you walked in, took three steps, turned back around the header if you will of that's where the gun was.

[Greg Coker]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

So it goes back to Rob's original lie where he said there his AK was by his bed. He saw him look at it, thought he was making a move for it and killed him.

[Greg Coker]

Kill him.

[Brent Tucker]

If Rob was the only one that went into the room by himself and was staring at Osama bin Laden unless he has eyes in the back of his head.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Brent Tucker]

He would have never been able to see where the AK he was. It's not where you said it was. The gun wasn't found until several minutes into, into s. Into sse. And so just another thing that just, it's just use when there's one lie, there's two. There's two, there's three, and it's a snowball.

[Greg Coker]

And then a right domino.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a domino. And once you have that many lies, it's hard to keep it together. Yep. All right, let's keep going, Drew.

[Greg Coker]

I agree.

[Matt Bissonnette]

There's the threat for the rules of engagement to enter the.

[Brent Tucker]

If.

[Matt Bissonnette]

If you entered the room, saw him face to face. Where's the gun? Where. Rules of engagement. Wise.

[Brian Callan]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Where's the threat to engage? There's. He doesn't have a gun. If the point man engaged coming up the stairs and he only saw a head sticking down, looking at us.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Right. Khalid had just been shot down 10ft with a gun in hand. We just stepped over his body. We're both going to assume that the next head popping out further up the stairs probably has a gun or the device to clack or a grenade or something.

[Magnet]

I would agree.

[Brent Tucker]

If you see his whole body and you see his hands, you know he's unarmed.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You just ran into someone that was armed, and then the. And seconds later, you see someone poking their body out.

[Brian Callan]

That.

[Brent Tucker]

That is subjective. And that is a call on the point man. Whatever he deems.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Is a threat. He doesn't see his hands. He doesn't know. And he doesn't have to wait to get shot at.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

So he absolutely can take that shot. Of course. Matt's absolutely right, because that's the reality. Tell you, if people wonder why I take Matt's side, because everything Matt says is how we do business, that checks out. Everything he's saying checks out. Nothing that Rob is saying checks out with the way we do business. And, oh, by the way, the White House says, that's not how it happened. The gun isn't where it was. Who shot Amal in the leg. If you're the only one shooting and you're shooting people in the face, I. The other story has so many holes. Holes and questions. And again, if you're a civilian and you didn't know any better, you would be like, oh, that's a really entertaining story. That's great. What a hero. But anyone else that worked this level would hear that story and be like, this is. That's not. That's not how it. That's not how it works. All right, let's keep going. See what else. Matt has engagement.

[Matt Bissonnette]

The point man took shots.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. I see that we're under hostile act,

[Matt Bissonnette]

but if you now enter the room and bin Laden standing there unarmed, which we know he was where's the threat? Per rules of engagement?

[Andy Stumpf]

I don't have answers to those questions.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I don't either. I, I'm just saying I always go back to what I saw, what we talked about in the aar, Right. The point man talks through his actions. Nobody counters those. Right. Nobody saw anything different to counter it. Unless you're telling me. And, and you did the interview where somebody said they had not told the 100 truth or whatever. Okay. That's on them. I don't know anything about that.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I've certainly never done a debrief where you don't tell the whole truth because you've got enough people around who saw other pieces. They're going to bring it up.

[Magnet]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

So nobody brought up the idea, you know, in the debrief nobody mentioned anything about a second train. Nobody mentioned anything about a delay. Nobody mentioned any of that in the audio recorded debrief.

[Brent Tucker]

And by the way, you know, would have to be privy to this lie because everyone would have to be a part of it. Well, Matt would have to be part of this lie because everyone has to be a part of it. So Matt absolutely would have heard if they were trying to, you know, scheme this thing up.

[Greg Coker]

This is a story.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. All right, let's keep going.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Brief. That was fine. Change. Come back to the States and all of a sudden the story had, had changed. And, and now you have other people stepping out in front of this other narrative. But here's the problem. Why did you lie to the, the one group that the most. The group you should be honest with.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

But then come back and tell the whole world and everybody at different, the bar or wherever else a different story. That's the confusion. Right. There was, we got back from the ray, there was a lot of confusion going around because there was people saluting Rob. When we met the President, there was, there was stuff that was just really odd and it kept like, wow, this is interesting. And at one point, our Master Chief pulled the first four guys that were in the room into his office. And this is after we got back from the mission and, and o' Neill's even talked about this. Master Chief pulled us all in his office.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

One by one, questioned each of us. I don't know if they re. Listened to the audio. I don't know what they did. They talked to all of us. A couple weeks later, Rob moved to another squadron. So I don't know. I don't know. I, I don't know. I don't care.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not trying to, I'm telling you from experience, you don't. Very few people in our unit has moved squadrons. I can think of a handful. And it's never been for a good cause.

[Greg Coker]

Nope.

[Brent Tucker]

It's. It's not. And, and of course, you know, everyone knows that Rob got moved to Silver Squadron. And not everyone realizes what a red flag that is. He grew up in Red Squadron. He's a team leader in Red Squadron. And when you get back from the biggest mission and they no longer want you in Red Squadron.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And if you were the guy who killed Bin Laden like you said, you'd be a national treasure. Red Squadron isn't giving you up for anything. Nothing yet. After this meeting, they're more than happy to get rid of you. Okay. I got, I got some questions about that. And apparently so does Matt.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

And again, rightfully so. All right, let's see what else. Let's see what else he has to say.

[Andy Stumpf]

How many people could have realistically seen what happened right there, where the shots were taken? Because I know you were you third or fourth in the train at that point.

[Matt Bissonnette]

How many people could have seen the shots from where and which shots?

[Andy Stumpf]

The talk about just the schematic that we're looking at right now. So we'll say the top.

[Matt Bissonnette]

The initial point man shots.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

From the top of the stairs. How many people could have seen it?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah,

[Matt Bissonnette]

maybe your first three. But, but, but still you probably would have heard it more than seen it for sure.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I've had to be cockeyed way off.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Side to try to get his ability.

[Matt Bissonnette]

And if you're saying seeing the guy shoot or seeing the guy get hit, I mean that's a.

[Andy Stumpf]

Just actually see what happened because that's where the, the divergence again seems to come from.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Well, the divergence seems to come from the second deck where now all of a sudden there's this gap that. That allows for separation and allows for this gap that's appeared.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Matt Bissonnette]

And I don't think the gap ever. I don't think the gap is ever

[Brian Callan]

addressed in the ar.

[Tim Kennedy]

Which it would be addressed. Unless you're telling me there's some sort

[Brent Tucker]

of massive cover up and you got

[Matt Bissonnette]

all the assaulters to, to cover up a story for what now, now that's

[Tim Kennedy]

a much bigger issue.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Right.

[Tim Kennedy]

And if there's other versions of.

[Matt Bissonnette]

While we're taking the photo, somebody comes in canoes, the face. Another massive cover up that you need

[Tim Kennedy]

to be able to pull off to

[Matt Bissonnette]

get everybody to now not talk about

[Brent Tucker]

somebody coming in the middle of the

[Matt Bissonnette]

SE photo Shooting in the face.

[Tim Kennedy]

So they're sorry.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That is a major, major issue if somebody does that.

[Brent Tucker]

We talked about that before, but since we're covering this and he just brought it up, we, we have to cover it again. In Rob's lie, one of the things he's trying to cover up. And Rob is saying, well, here's one of the things we had to lie about because now we have to. Now you have to insert a lie to cover up for your other lie. Right. And so the question would be, well, what is it that you felt like you had to cover? Why would you need to lie? So now he has to come up with a reason for this and Rob's reasonable. And again, it's only going to get by the people who don't know any better. But to anyone else that hears, any veteran, any special operations guy hears this is going to go, nope, just know. And here's what the story is. He said as he was holding Osama bin Laden's head and doing the, the doing SSC and, and the pid, which is in. Within the SSC process. He says an assaulter comes into the room and takes a shot and hits him in the head while he's kneeling over him. That's crazy. It's crazy. So you don't start SSE until, until the objective is completely secure. And if it's secure, it means no one's running, anybody's going to shooting anything because, you know, we completely own this building. So to even say it's such a black eye to the SEAL community by saying that that's what happened. Again, these are TLs and two ICS senior guys. They're one. You either didn't know you started SSC before Objective Secure, which would never happen in the world of ever, or you had called Objective secure. And this guy, this wild card, comes running into the room blasting, while he sees his other fellow assaulters in kit leaning over this guy. It was like, screw it, I'm gonna send rounds into his head just for the fun of it.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

Would just never happen. It's one of the, it's one of the more wild lies Rob has ever said. And he doesn't understand how bad he makes the SEAL community look. He makes it look like they don't understand how to SSE or how to communicate and that guys will just. Guys will just send rounds while other guys are around a dead body. That's a really bad look. Yeah, it didn't happen because they're better than that. Yeah, it makes them look like they will lie during a debrief to cover up their. To cover their own butts. That's a wild thing to say about a group of heroes that just took out the world's number one terrorist and avenged 9 11. And now you're going to put a stain on all those guys by either calling them incompetent or calling them liars. That's. That's. I don't know if he realizes that's when you tell that story in his mind is he's only worrying about how do I fix this? And he doesn't zoom out and see what he's doing to his fellow teammates that put it all on the line that night. Putting his. Putting. Putting his fame and fortune above. Above those guys's reputation. Names. It's just. It's.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, I can't grasp.

[Brent Tucker]

It's tough. Yeah, right.

[Brian Callan]

It's.

[Brent Tucker]

I can't. No one in your unit would ever do that. No, absolutely. All right, let's. Let's keep going.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Debrief. I'm sorry.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, and again, so I'm going to reference exactly what Rob said, and you can address it or not, but he basically said that he was the one doing the SSC photos when that person came in, shot him at close range. But you're saying you were doing the photos on your camera? Oh, there is a.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Rob said it was his hands holding the. I. I don't know, brother.

[Brian Callan]

I don't know. Okay, fair enough.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I'm gonna.

[Brian Callan]

I'm.

[Matt Bissonnette]

I'm not gonna guess what Rob says. I don't know. I haven't watched all his interviews. I haven't. I'm only going to speak to what I saw. And what I know is in the debrief.

[Greg Coker]

Right.

[Matt Bissonnette]

With everybody there, that was audio recorded. And so that's what's hard for me to understand is if. If this was some type of COVID up to change the story, then, okay, that's on Rob and he can explain that. Yeah, that's not on me. My version has always been what we debriefed. And. And I don't think the debrief was a setup or. I don't think. I don't know. And I don't know how it could have been.

[Brian Callan]

I don't.

[Brent Tucker]

I've never been to too many of them.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I don't know how. I don't know how you would set up a debrief like that either.

[Brent Tucker]

See it as a viable option.

[Andy Stumpf]

You'll record the debriefs.

[Matt Bissonnette]

It's the first one I've Ever done?

[Andy Stumpf]

I was going to ask. I don't ever remember doing it.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Well, I would think because of the historical significance.

[Drew Hansen]

I'm not saying it shouldn't have been done.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That historically should be recorded for posterity sake.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah, kind of a.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Kind of a big moment. It's probably pulled out of cell phone. Let's record this. So we've got this.

[Drew Hansen]

Should the skipper really have had his cell phone?

[Brian Callan]

I mean,

[Brent Tucker]

I'm not here to judge. I'm not here.

[Matt Bissonnette]

But as somebody who got a whole lot of trouble from the government for classification unclassification issues, recording that debrief on his unclass cell phone probably could have been done in a smarter form.

[Andy Stumpf]

Like you could get issued a sensitive recording device that could have been used.

[Brent Tucker]

I would want to exit just for a second.

[Andy Stumpf]

Where do you think that recording is today? I don't know.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That's why it's a savvy attorney with

[Tim Kennedy]

some good foil skills.

[Andy Stumpf]

Tonight on national security grounds.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yeah, I don't know where it is. I brought up the government multiple times as they were coming after me. Like, look, he's got it on his cell phone.

[Tim Kennedy]

Do you guys have it?

[Matt Bissonnette]

They never, they never admit that they had it or heard it.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, I don't know if one necessarily

[Tim Kennedy]

has to do with the other, but

[Brian Callan]

that was a hookup.

[Tim Kennedy]

Aggression, scary.

[Matt Bissonnette]

First one.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

How high the ground did you guys

[Tim Kennedy]

kind of bounce in?

[Matt Bissonnette]

40ft Pretty good.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right.

[Brent Tucker]

They, they cover a couple other things later on, you'll just have to, you can, if you haven't watched it, go watch the whole thing. He does bring up one of the things Matt got in trouble for, or not necessarily in trouble for, but had, because he, he was taking the pictures. And this is how he, he still had those little cameras that we used to carry for. Yeah, for. For SSC purposes.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, back in the day I had the same one and I, you know, I'd bring it home and it stayed in my kit bag.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

When he got out, he, he took his home and he let his, he let his kid play with it. And at some point he was like, oh, let me see that thing. He's looking. And it had a bunch of old SSE photos on it. And usually you're, you know, you're taking photos of guns, you know, any, any intel, but also dead bodies, because that's part of the proof of where everyone was. And UBL is, is in there. And he, he had that for the longest time. And he said when he got in trouble with the government on his first book, he ended up erasing it to ensure that he didn't have, you know, anything he wasn't supposed to have.

[Andy Stumpf]

Sure.

[Brent Tucker]

But he's, like, in that photo, there's not three shots to his face, and it's canoed wide open. You have to hold his face together, like Rob claims. It just has an entry wound in. In the forehead, and those are. Those are pretty clean. It's the exit wounds that. That are the problem.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So, again, just something else that makes sense, and. And Rob. And Rob's version just does not. I'll tell you something else that doesn't make sense to me, and if you were coming at me with one of my stories, I'd be pretty. You only get, really two responses right at the. As a man. And I get it. While someone would want to defend their honor, if you really thought you were telling the truth, you. You can either just ignore it and be like, it's not worth my time.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

You know, I've had some people question some of my stuff. I don't go after them and go, like, what proof do you want to talk to my friends?

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Like, you're.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Why do I have nothing. I have nothing to prove to you. And that is a valid response that some people have. Now, once it raises to this level and there's a big commotion, you do have to defend yourself, and usually you defend yourself with facts and. And different ways. Let's see how Rob. One of Rob's first tweets he sends out after this episode. Let's see what it is. You got it, Drew, real quick. Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Do you think maybe Rob and all that was going on, he enters the room and sees that, yeah, it's ubl, and he doesn't have a weapon even close to him, that he's like, oh, shoot, man. He didn't have a weapon. I didn't. I broke Roe. I mean, there's no telling what was going on.

[Brent Tucker]

There's no chance that happened because there was never a time Rob was in the room with UBL standing up by himself.

[Brian Callan]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

The point man took the shot, nailed him in. Nailed him twice, actually. He fell back in the room, either dead or dying, and he followed his shots, and several other teammates went into that room, and they did what they were supposed to do, and they continued to shoot at a dead body, which you can, because you haven't confirmed it to be dead yet. Maybe there were still some last breaths, you know, left as. As he was dying out. And I do believe, and I've said this before, I do believe Rob put rounds in bin Laden. That's not. That's never. I've never said, like, no, he didn't shoot him at all then. It's. It's all a lie. He shot him, just not in any form or fashion the way he said it happened. And he was never the one and only man to kill Osama bin Laden. That's wildly inaccurate.

[Greg Coker]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

All right, let's see. Let's see what Rob had to say. Damn. This first interview without an attorney and you get Red mentioned on Fox. You trying to get him to finally fess up. You're really not good at this. So it was. That's a wild thing to defend yourself with is basically shaming him, that one. This never mentioned Red that whole interview, even though he just blames him for getting Red mentioned on Fox. Biss never mentioned Red. He always mentioned him as the point man. So just Rob being Rob and you trying to finally get him to fess up. What. What kind of thinly veiled threat is that? As if you're. You have some sort of dirt on people hiding.

[Greg Coker]

What are you hiding?

[Brent Tucker]

What? Right. It's just. It isn't a. It's not a good look. That. That is your defense. Let me tell you what else is in a good look. Let's go to that second one. Thank you for getting it up there, Drew. Yep. Here's the other one. Mike Peterson said it's been 15 years. Leave it to rest. Mchuya decides to tell Mike Peterson, you're an effing at this point.

[Greg Coker]

Wow.

[Brent Tucker]

What?

[Drew Hansen]

Why?

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, all right. I guess you can act like that if. If you want, but it's. This isn't the first time. Anytime someone like Matt or me have come out and. And questioned him, he has absolutely lost it. And I. I knew he would be at it again and be worried about what. What Matt Bissonnet was. Was going to say. And now he's going to have to figure out back to the drawing board, how do I defend against this? I. I wouldn't suggest that's how you defend against this. That's. That's wild. But, yeah, that's way off the chart. That's. You know, and again, I. I'm not saying. I'm not saying that I do everything right. I'm not saying I represent the unit perfectly. But again, at the end of the day, you are a representation of a true one, and you know that you wouldn't. You're. You're retired. But the weight of the 1/60 sore and its reputation. It, it, it's on your shoulders. Yes, sir. And you, you know, you can't come in, come on this show and act the fool and think, well, that's just, you know, that's just great, Coker. That's. Yeah, it's going to take. No, no, you can't. You would never say that on the Internet. Not because of you, but because of your unit. You, you, you wear that for the rest of your life.

[Greg Coker]

Always. Every day.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, every day. Well, Drew, that is, that covers it. I know we have a ton of, of super chats to get to, and maybe these guys have, have some questions. I know we have some super chats that weren't relevant to this conversation because we didn't get to them yet. So let's see if we can speed through them and, and get to it.

[Drew Hansen]

All right. Just butter says, would you count deployments if you're an Air Force maintainer that deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq?

[Brent Tucker]

Of course I would. Because you're doing it under the, under the government.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes.

[Drew Hansen]

Holy food.

[Brent Tucker]

In uniform. Yes.

[Drew Hansen]

Greg, any hilos you never got to fly that you wanted to, Any missions you wanted to do but never got to? Did you ever get to visit any interesting places at Nevada test ranges? Outro, same Queen Strike.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Slowly working up there.

[Greg Coker]

Oh, yeah, slowly. No, I, I, no, I flew what I wanted to fly. And I didn't care about getting in a Blackhawk or a Schnook. I'm a gun guy.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's in the recording, but I'll leak it a little bit. I thought it was really cool. You grew up as a guy who watched, watched updates, you know, on Vietnam, and, and that was something that, that was a part of you growing up. And then when you went to flight school. Yeah, you got to fly. Huey's in flight school. And I think that's super cool.

[Greg Coker]

It was really cool.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And it's the distinct sound of that Huey rotor blade is unlike any other helicopter. You know, when you hear one.

[Greg Coker]

Yep.

[Drew Hansen]

Greg, I have a super chat question for you.

[Brian Callan]

Sure.

[Drew Hansen]

Would you prefer to watch Blue Thunder or Airwolf?

[Greg Coker]

Airwolf.

[Tim Kennedy]

Nice.

[Brian Callan]

Nice.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Hansen]

But you know what? It didn't matter what your answer was. It was still cool.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That's right.

[Brent Tucker]

It's a win win situation.

[Drew Hansen]

Zulu Whiskey says, What up, boys? 12 and a half barrel with KC chode can or 10 and a half barrel with full size RC2.

[Brent Tucker]

And why I won't be, I won't be cornered into that question. Why can't I have a little KC chode can and a 10 and a half inch barrel. Why can't I have what I want?

[Magnet]

Both.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, that's right. That's what I want.

[Drew Hansen]

Is Overdog the same as up dog. What's up, dog? Just another 11B says home now. Red, white and blue raz monster chased by FRCC bourbon and a Delta Tri.

[Brent Tucker]

Just another love. Bravo knows how to do it. He knows how to do.

[Magnet]

How much did he pay Mike Perry for that podcast?

[Brent Tucker]

I know not everyone knows, but it's not a huge secret. He, he, he bought that whole following by buying Mike Perry's podcast.

[Drew Hansen]

And no.

[Brent Tucker]

And by, by the way, and I, again, I don't take joy in this. I, I say this because I want him to see this and say, hey, the, let's, let's, let's go. Let's go the full, let's go the full amount. Let's, let's do this right.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

The comment section on that YouTube video is horrendous. They are beating him up so bad in that comment section, and he has. I know he sees it. I know he sees it. And, you know, I don't take joy in that. I hope that's the motivation he needs. You're like, you know what? I didn't, I didn't do it right. I, I, I need to do better.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. Just man up. All right.

[Drew Hansen]

I don't know what to do with this one. Nobody says, you said if you were to start over again, you wouldn't go seal. Why is that? SWCC boats diving and maritime ops are pretty cool, no?

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, they're way cool. Way cool. I just, if I, because if I said if I do it over again, I would go rangers first, then SF and still try to go to Delta. And I just, I just think, think realistically, especially in my particular time period, that's the best place to go to get the best missions and work with the best people. And that's not any sort of a hit on seals. That's just the mission sets that were going around, what they were doing at the time and who you were working with.

[Greg Coker]

You bet.

[Drew Hansen]

Right wing nut says squish spear, gold DOT or federal HST 9 millimeter. And why is it, though? 124 grains, I guess.

[Magnet]

That's great.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes. I've, I've, I've always, I've shot a bunch of federal, so I'm, I'm gonna go federal. That's, I'm gonna go with, I'm gonna go with my known. Because I don't know the Other one too much so I so only say that because I go with the known

[Drew Hansen]

Brody Martin, our brother. He says I was in third ID during invasion of Iraq in 03. I met some 160th guys at Baghdad airport. Yeah, they gave us Oreos, slim Jims and let us use a sat phone to call home. Those small gestures meant everything to an 18 year old PFC. I'll never forget that.

[Greg Coker]

Wow. NSDQ.

[Brent Tucker]

Those are things you take for granted as an 18 echo. I've, I've let some guys use my sat phone to call home and it meant the world to them.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And it made me feel bad like I have the sat phone every day if I want it. Yeah, yeah. But it's really cool to be able to do that.

[Magnet]

It is guys.

[Greg Coker]

It is.

[Drew Hansen]

Tyler Austin Music says what do you make of Rob's post about Bissonette getting kind of caught in a lie about the point man who killed Khalid stopping to clear the second floor while another took point going to the third floor.

[Brent Tucker]

Rob's post about Bisnet getting caught up in a lie about point man who killed. Nope, that's not what he said. That is not what, that's not necessarily what he said. He said that Red killed Khalid and he goes, he just killed Khalid on the second floor and then went up and then. Which was a good shot because he was holding an AK and it was the same guy who went up and took the, the shot which ended up being Bin Laden, which was a shadowy figure of a head poking out. They didn't know that was Bin Laden when they took that shot.

[Greg Coker]

No way.

[Brent Tucker]

He's, I believe he's calling, he's calling the guy who held the second floor the point man because for the second floor. He is now the point man for the second floor because he's holding on to it. You now have two point mans but one's holding the second floor and one's going to do the third floor. So that is not a lie. I, I took two seconds for me to figure out what he was saying and Rob, Rob couldn't figure that out. He's, he's, he's again, he's just, he's just stretching, he's stretching for it.

[Drew Hansen]

He's digging airborne homestead says Mr. Coker. Why are the daps folks so sensitive? I know they are the regiment's baby fellow night stalker here. Snsdq.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, we made fun.

[Brent Tucker]

I knew you'd like that one.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, we, we always tell them hey, you gotta wear thong panties.

[Brent Tucker]

You got, you got Competing guns here. Yeah, of course. Of course. You couldn't just get along. Yeah. It has to turn into a competition always. But that's. But that's what makes the best the best. Yes, it is.

[Greg Coker]

It does.

[Drew Hansen]

Kenneth says, I cannot accept an apology from someone that's claimed Purple Heart and Bronze with valor. It's ultimately a disrespect to the MIA POWs that never made it home and a disrespect to the Joes that perished overseas doing valorous actions.

[Brian Callan]

He can face.

[Brent Tucker]

God, Kenneth, I'm not going to try to talk you out of that. I gosh, do I get it. I get. I get why you feel that way.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm. I'm going to try to take a. Again, just for me, a more positive and hopeful spin on it. And. And I. I hope it pays off for the good of everyone in the long run because like I said, I think Tim has a lot of good left in him and good to be done. And the only way he can truly see the most out of that good is by. Com. Finally putting this thing to rest through. Through honesty.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

And. And I'm hoping we can get there. And I'm hoping this is the first step to that. So that's. That's my viewpoint of it. But I. Man, do I understand yours.

[Greg Coker]

I'm gonna pray for Tim.

[Drew Hansen]

Kenneth says has there been any word from COC on his investigation for possible war crimes and any word on his tab being pulled for his actions and reference in the book? I really hope his CoC has the integrity and accountability for truth.

[Brent Tucker]

I'm. He said this in that interview. He referred to that investigation being over. And I don't know what the results of that investigation was. I have no confidence and his chain of command to. And this. This is. Again, I'm not talking on two sides of my mouth. I'm not saying I'm hoping the best form then hoping this, which is a bad thing. I do believe he probably should get his tab pulled for doing it because it doesn't represent there. There. There are consequences to your actions.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

That doesn't mean that defines who you are for the rest of your life. And you can still change you are as a person and go on and do good things. But I. I have no confidence that. That they did that. So hopefully I'll find out soon.

[Drew Hansen]

Jesse Mayfield says. Brent, just popping in to let everyone know the real reason your pet name is Squishy is because your hands are soft from not playing guitar enough. When I tap my fingers on the Table. It sounds like an 18 Bravo dropped his rock collection.

[Brent Tucker]

Look at 18 Bravo dropped his rock collection.

[Drew Hansen]

Dang.

[Brent Tucker]

Well articulated, cut down, tip of the hat. Oh, I love it.

[Magnet]

That.

[Brent Tucker]

That's how, that's how you give a fellow man a hard time.

[Drew Hansen]

We should have paid you $25 to say that.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes.

[Drew Hansen]

TG TG Paris says can't wait for Chris next Robinson week.

[Brent Tucker]

Yes, I can't. I can't wait for next week. Chris Robinson or for. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely still.

[Drew Hansen]

CDL says. Hey, Brent Corbin here. Love the podcast. It gets me through work. Random question for major raids, is it one Delta squadron or operators from multiple.

[Brent Tucker]

No, we, we. We always work in organic elements. Whether it be a. A team, a troop or a squadron, it would be. It would be very, very, very, very, very rare to. To mix any of that. Not saying it's zero, but I've never seen it. I don't think it's ever happened. And it'd be wild to see, to see something. I don't know. I don't know every hit. I don't even know if we've ever done a multi squadron hit. But even if we did, each squadron would stay in their respective elements. Not. Not in real world. I think we've done that in training, but I, I don't know enough to. To be adamant about that.

[Drew Hansen]

David Jeffrey says, what do you think of General Donahue situation? Your Love by the Outfields CD

[Brent Tucker]

I. I don't like it. I. I think he's paying the price for the Afghanistan withdrawal and I think someone should have paid the price for the aniston for the Afghanistan withdrawal, but I don't think it should have been him.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

And I think he's. It's. It's unfortunate. I'm a fan of that guy and I think he's one thing is one of the best and brightest and it was good having someone you know is that good at a very high echelon. Because I'm sure as you know, when you, when the curtain gets pulled back and the higher you go and the more you get to interact with those guys, they're not all impressive. No, no, that's just, that's just the truth.

[Greg Coker]

Your truth.

[Drew Hansen]

Airborne Homestead says. Mr. Coker, why are the daps folks down at regiment so sensitive? Little bird pilots. Depths over depths pilots. We want to hear your seer experience.

[Brent Tucker]

We got, we got little bird fans in the house tonight.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

The little bird PR campaign is just, just crushing the, the daps guys.

[Magnet]

It just.

[Greg Coker]

They're getting hammered center of the universe. That's B Company. Yes, sir.

[Brent Tucker]

How was, how was your Sierra school, man?

[Greg Coker]

It was awesome. I was the SRO.

[Brent Tucker]

Were you the senior ranking officer?

[Drew Hansen]

I was W2.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Oh, yeah. I said, I know one of you line lieutenants are out here.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Magnet]

What?

[Brent Tucker]

Where'd you go to see your school at brag camp? McCall.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Seriously.

[Tim Kennedy]

Over there.

[Brent Tucker]

Slappy. Yeah. What a great school.

[Greg Coker]

What a great school, man.

[Brent Tucker]

What a hard way to learn some lessons.

[Greg Coker]

It was one of the best schools. Yeah. Went to.

[Brent Tucker]

It really shows who you are as a man. It really shows who everyone else is. And you, and you learn some hard lessons no other school is willing to do to show you. It was such a cool experience.

[Greg Coker]

It was. And we got one of the couple troops came in and, you know, free.

[Brent Tucker]

I didn't get a rescue. No, no one rescued us per se. They was like, they like kind of faked it and they just kind of raised the flag. Open the gates, and you walked out.

[Greg Coker]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

And I felt like I was robbed. I didn't, I didn't get the cool, you know, SIF company, squadron, you know, kind of hit that they get to use. I guess everyone was busy fighting wars in 03.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Papa Penguin pontificate says madman. Maybe the point is when we have maybe statistically significant number of troops standing on lies slash bad behavior. Read The Fitzgerald and McCain reports. 2017. We have a culture problem. And culture is set up. Is set by leadership. Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, I, I, I get what you're saying, Papa Penguin. Thanks. Thanks for taking the, the, the madman Jess thing in stride. And you're absolutely, you're absolutely right about that. The, the culture comes really all the way from the top. The top sets the cold. The president sets the culture by who he puts in, in charge as the Secretary of Defense or the War Department, if, if you will, chief and staff. And that's right. And then chief of Staff. Those guys set the culture of, of either they want yes men or they're looking for hard men to do hard things in order to get promoted. And they do. They set the culture of the military and it has a dominant. As a real domino effect. I'll never forget the change that happened when Rumsfeld was put in as the Secretary of Defense and basically came down to Syria and said, said, hey, yeah, what's the hold up? What do you need? And we said, glad you asked. Here's, here's the problem. Here's a problem with the approval process. Here's the problem. And he goes, okay, fixed and after that, it took us years to make it halfway to Raqqa. And after that, it took us. I'm talking in generalities, but. And it took us. After that, it took us months to make it to Raqqa.

[Magnet]

Wow.

[Brent Tucker]

Set by the top.

[Greg Coker]

I'll be darn. Yeah. That's what it should be.

[Drew Hansen]

A range wizard says you're loved by outfield for outro $5. That song was our sp song when I did route clearance patrols. Anyone that drove a husky has my eternal respect.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Haven't heard SP in a while. Haven't even thought about SP in a while.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Dwazi says. Greg, did you fly to Fortunate Son playing?

[Greg Coker]

Sure did.

[Brent Tucker]

You got to, right?

[Greg Coker]

Clear Water, Hell's Bells, and Fortunate Sun.

[Brent Tucker]

Love it.

[Greg Coker]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

TBD says. Here's some beer money. Have you ever flown in Alaska, fight to the death? Who you got, Siberian tiger or Kodiak

[Brent Tucker]

Brown bear asking the tough questions? I love it. You ever fly in Alaska?

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Really?

[Greg Coker]

40 below. Oh,

[Brent Tucker]

thank. Thank goodness you're a gun guy. You didn't have poor operators out there hanging on the skids on the pods. Yeah. Oh, man. Who you taking on that a Siberian. A Siberian tiger or Kodiak Brown bear? Know I want to know. Why you going brown bear? Just a gut feeling or. What do you got gut. I'm going brown bear as well, because it's a home team. You think I'm gonna. You think I'm gonna vote on some foreigner? Some Siberian foreigner? No, no. American. American. Kodiak for the win.

[Magnet]

Bison.

[Brent Tucker]

You see what it does to old man? Yeah.

[Brian Callan]

Was

[Drew Hansen]

David Hookstead.

[Brent Tucker]

David Hook.

[Greg Coker]

Hey, David's in the house.

[Drew Hansen]

Gravy. Great to see you on the show.

[Greg Coker]

A.

[Drew Hansen]

What CAG squadron was your favorite to work with? And why was it C squadron? Oh, that sucker. All jokes. Hope all is well to both of you.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I know, but you said who you didn't get to work with, and I don't hold that against you. You only know what you know. You only know what you know.

[Greg Coker]

That's it. Hard.

[Brent Tucker]

Just. Just so you know, after that, daps are my favorite. You started this.

[Magnet]

Okay?

[Brent Tucker]

You started this.

[Greg Coker]

All right. Can's open. Cannon wolf ass.

[Drew Hansen]

Do you think more truths will come to light about Red Wings with the recent Ross Schneiderman Politico article and his podcast attention? Do you think the story will be set straight publicly with the resurgence of this topic?

[Brent Tucker]

If you guys haven't read that article. Ross Schneiderman wrote, like he said, wrote an article in the Politico about red wings and I've done a lot of reading and research and, and questions and I feel like I know a lot about Red Wings and he, whatever research he did, he did a great job and it's a, it's a great eye

[Greg Coker]

opening to read it.

[Brent Tucker]

Kind of the truth of what happened at Red Wings. Do I think it's enough to sway the opinion. Here's, here's my thought on that. I'm, I think most of the American people who want to know the truth about that understand that it's been, it's been glorified by the Navy and, and by Marcus Luttrell and, and they know. And the, the other half that don't know, don't care to know. So I think what it's going to do is just give the people who already question it or don't think it was, you know, the ground truth, the book or the movie. It's just going to set them further and firmer on their side than really change opinions. What I think it's going to do.

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

What's next?

[Drew Hansen]

Here we have t bone Mr. Coker blink twice. If you knew about the new Blackhawk used on the mission, would you have been nervous? If using a new aircraft on such

[Brent Tucker]

an important mission, such a. I mean, it's a good, it's a good question.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, it is. It's a really good question. And I, I would have to say that that aircraft, I mean the guys flying the machine did an outstanding job of saving it and I, I think they got into set. The wind shifted at the last second and being heavy and hot and got into settling with power. It's the. I've been in it.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

And man, he did a great job. He did.

[Brent Tucker]

I know for everyone. Not just to walk away from it.

[Drew Hansen]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

They assaulted after. They did more than just walk away from it.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

They were all without, without injury and without, without a grave serious injury that they couldn't push through. And all the boys went and did what they had to do. And you wanted, and you want, you want your full force on a mission like that. That, that have been huge. Not to take a whole team. Team and a half. Yeah. Out of that equation by them not being able to react to that approach appropriately.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

It's maybe an unfair question because I guess we'll never really know. It's one of the thing Matt Bissonnette, I think took some heat on. On his first book by, by telling the truth. Matt has been vocal about this is for political reasons. They pushed it. They pushed the mission. One, one Night, I think there was. There was an event going on, and I can't remember what it was, but it got pushed 24 hours because the. Because he believes the president wanted to use that other night to be the big announcement and not conflict with a schedule. And when that happened, the temperature went up. I believe it was five degrees.

[Greg Coker]

Oh, really?

[Brent Tucker]

And he said that was the difference between them maintaining lift and not having lift. That five degrees is five. Is that possible? I'm gonna. It's a hard thing. It's five degrees enough to make the difference.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Magnet]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

How do you know how. How big of a degree swing would it make you. Would it have to be for you to go? That's. That's a significant degree shift that can have a difference in. In lift.

[Greg Coker]

It. It. It'd have to be a bunch. And it's not. It doesn't affect the lift. It affects the performance of the engines.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Is what it affects. So it'd have to be 25, 30 degrees. Yeah.

[Tim Kennedy]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

All right.

[Greg Coker]

We weren't at very high altitude either.

[Drew Hansen]

RJ says love that y' all bought Hunt for Red October. Great movie. Have a great night. Led by love of our country. I think he's talking about the book. I think it looks like a VHS

[Brent Tucker]

a little bit, maybe.

[Drew Hansen]

Where. Where would love y' all that y' all bought Hunt for Red October.

[Brent Tucker]

I thought maybe he was given Greg a Sean Connery a reference from.

[Drew Hansen]

Oh, you brought Hunt. Is it brought.

[Brent Tucker]

No, it said bot.

[Drew Hansen]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Maybe. Maybe.

[Drew Hansen]

Maybe a male hooker.

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

All right. Half sack of nades. Thank you for the love, my brother. Look at that. Finally able to catch up on all the videos. Another lawsuit is crazy. Y' all don't know me. Other than a funny name on the screen yet. Brent and the team took the time to check on me when I was going through it. And it really helped me keep my head above water.

[Greg Coker]

Good.

[Drew Hansen]

You can't fake character.

[Greg Coker]

Good.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you, brother. Yeah. I appreciate it.

[Drew Hansen]

My praise.

[Brent Tucker]

Hope you're doing better. I know you are. Everyone goes through it.

[Drew Hansen]

Glaucoma. 420. Speaking of funny names.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

When people ask me what is my favorite conspiracy theory? I'll say that Jizro did not kill ubl.

[Brent Tucker]

It's not a conspiracy theory.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Drew Hansen]

Papa Penguin pontificates back in. The best sound in the world is hearing the roar. Incoming air, man.

[Greg Coker]

It is a good one that Minigons.

[Brent Tucker]

I will tell you this.

[Greg Coker]

One of the best.

[Brent Tucker]

It's really more SS specific for me. But when you're in a Long valley clearing operation. You've been out there 2, 3, 4, 5 day, however long it was, and you just, you're just tired from, you know, pulling security all night, not getting a lot of sleep, you know, walking up and down this valley. And sometimes you have to go up into the mountains and do a BDA and come back. I mean, by the time you're done with that, you, you're just exhausted and the best sound in the world is incoming helos to come pick you up and take you back to bed. We're going home. Best sound in the world. Until he, until he said that, I, I haven't thought about what a sweet sound that is. As soon as you start hearing those helicopter blades in the distance going, yes, yes, it's, it's over. We live through another one.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes, sir.

[Drew Hansen]

Says when a hammer is the only tool you have, everything starts to look like a nail. Can you have Bill Rapier on? I've heard he was a solid operator too.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, I need to, I need to get a hold of him and see if, and I can. I, I know I can get a hold of him and see if he's, if he's still doing interviews.

[Drew Hansen]

Mark S retired. Says Chief Coker is your train robbery story in the recorded episode.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, my gosh, you got a train robbery. We didn't get that.

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Drew Hansen]

You got a story, though.

[Brent Tucker]

Is that a garage story?

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. All right, all right, maybe, maybe, maybe we'll save that one for Patreon. I gotta feel this one out and see what's up.

[Drew Hansen]

Record that one in the garage.

[Brent Tucker]

They know too much. I don't know where they get it. The, the, the, the, the audience, they know too much is why I love them.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah, they do.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, they do.

[Greg Coker]

Bless you. Giddy up, old son.

[Drew Hansen]

Brent, was there ever time the unit that you had to do something Big gay army, that you just shook your head and asked, why jrtc?

[Brent Tucker]

We did go to JRTC once, but we actually got pulled right back out. Didn't even really go. I'll tell you that story later. Big gay army. No, but I will, I will. Yes and no. You'll probably know this, but I don't think most people knew, knew this. When, when you're in squadron, you know, there's. We don't like outsiders in our squadron bay. It's. And I mean, if you're another operator, you can be in there. But strangers this, that. We're definitely not letting in the cleaning people. So who do you think's cleaning the latrines? We are Operators. The operators. I've. I've still mopped floors. The squadron bay needed mops.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

I've still clean latrines that had to get cleaned by someone. The downstairs, the upstairs, that is the cleaning duty is getting done. Different teams have different responsibilities and they rotate. There was one time I had like three sergeant majors and E8 and me and E7 on a team and we're cleaning the latrine and someone's like, we have got to be the highest ranking, highest paid cleaning army detail ever. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I can probably think of something. They're far and few between but that and there. But again, there's a reason why for that. But yeah.

[Magnet]

Dude.

[Drew Hansen]

Dude. Mop in a bathroom or a kitchen is the number one way to pull it back. Is the number one way to pull it back, dude.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Drew Hansen]

I don't know what it is with

[Magnet]

that or a taint if you're brand.

[Brent Tucker]

My tank was still strong then.

[Matt Bissonnette]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

I stirred burning airborne homestead says Mr. Coker. Do the 100 first guys still whine about our special gate? And why do they call 1st Battalion the show? If you're not 4th, you're last in SDQ.

[Greg Coker]

That's a good one.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. And I love a little bit of information, inside information there. He says our special gate. Well, I feel like one of. One of the boys are watching.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

So do they still complain was.

[Greg Coker]

Oh, yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Is there a little bit of animosity about your special gate?

[Greg Coker]

Yep, a lot of it.

[Brent Tucker]

Which is crazy. I think you guys deserve a special gate. Yeah, that's, you know, that's, that's.

[Greg Coker]

Oh, they're on the other side of the airfield.

[Brent Tucker]

Right. Do you know anything about first baton? Why do they call first power the show? If you're not. If, if you're not fourth, if you're not fourth, you're last.

[Greg Coker]

Well, first bats the, the, you know, we're the go group, so.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

Two little bird companies, two blackhawk companies.

[Drew Hansen]

Alex Tucker said called you a moparator. That's pretty cool.

[Greg Coker]

I see a T shirt coming.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll tell you some funny stuff. We love you. We have some extra gear, you know, extra handrails, extra, you know, extra. Extra cool guy stuff for guns. One of the crews outfitted the mop handles with a bunch of gun

[Greg Coker]

put eotech on it rails. That's funny.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, all right.

[Drew Hansen]

Last super chat.

[Magnet]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

Patreon member here, Rob sucks. And Brent just got my conscript basic training date.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, nice.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Years old. And followed your advice on living a life.

[Andy Stumpf]

No regrets.

[Brent Tucker]

I know exactly who you are. Yeah, Good for you.

[Greg Coker]

Good deal.

[Brent Tucker]

Good for you. Well, that's it. I was. I was afraid at the speed we got through the first one and the super chats, that tonight was going to be a long night. And it is 11:30. Pretty sure I told you this. We. We're not good at it. It's supposed to go from 8 to 10. It is 11.

[Greg Coker]

No way.

[Brent Tucker]

Going strong. Well, we got one more thing to do, which is play some music and get this thing demonetized. Sound, of course, Sound Garden is. Is gonna win it. And holy fook, with your. With your multiple. Multiple $10 entry of Queen's Reich, you. You would. You deserve that song as well. Just. Just based off of. Of your attempts.

[Drew Hansen]

Honorable mention.

[Brent Tucker]

This is also the part of the night, unless you sneak in a super chat on us, that we just hang out in the chat section and answer everything that goes up on that screen. Hey, guys, by the way, we have a bigger audience than the normal tonight. If. If everyone here doesn't already subscribe to the channel. I. I know it's. I hate asking, but it's true. Please subscribe to the channel. It does help hit like. Subscribe to the channel. And please continue to join us on Thursday nights and continue to grow this community. Let's go.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Drew Hansen]

Because if you subscribe, you'll get notified when the next cool episode gets published.

[Brent Tucker]

That's right. That's right. In fact, you don't want to miss them. I feel like I'm gonna. I'm gonna lead. I'm gonna lead out with Queens, right? So that way, the. The big one is, you know, save the best for last if. If you will. And let's see if I can find this thing fast enough for you. If not, Drew, go ahead and. And talk about some regular chats real quick while I look into this.

[Drew Hansen]

You got it. Let's see here. We got T Bone says Brent had to eat hot dogs for July 4th. Yeah, that's for sure. And I had to eat apple pie. Dry apple pie. Airborne homestead back in says Mr. Coker, when are we seeing probe on Little Bird?

[Greg Coker]

Never.

[Brent Tucker]

I get it. I. Yeah, I see what you did there.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, that is. That is a good. It's not the only telling sign, but it's a good telling sign. You. You see a. You see a probe on a Blackhawk and. And even on a Chinook. Here we go. See if I don't believe in love Queen's how Moondog how about those beach flyovers? Best recruitment tactic. Makes you want to kick a door off his hinges.

[Magnet]

I love what Trump did with that one, too.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah, let's see. Right there. Toker the green, Get TK on the pod and bury the hatchet. He seems like a good dude, just overzealous with stories. I believe you to be right, and I do hope that he comes on the podcast.

[Greg Coker]

Me, too.

[Brent Tucker]

And, and we can bear that hatchet. And, and I believe it make both of us better for it if we're being quite honest and introspective on that. Duckman, Florida is a hot dog sandwich. It is meat in between buns. And you can say, well, it's connected buns. Well, if you connected the bun, the end of the buns of a sandwich and still filled it, you would still call that a sandwich or a burger. Is a hot dog a sandwich? I have to know. Magnet, our resident expert expert on hot dog.

[Magnet]

It's a handheld sandwich, so, I mean, you motor with your hand.

[Brent Tucker]

Well, you just answered it.

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. If Magnet says yes, who am I to argue with a man who has a hot dog roller machine at his house?

[Magnet]

Get to this one this time.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know why he said it. Braden Medlin, but everybody wants to be a bodybuilder. But ain't nobody wants to lift no heavy ass weight. One of my. I, I, I used to drop those 100 pound dumbbells in the gym overseas and yell that almost daily. Almost.

[Magnet]

You just pick it up and you let it down.

[Brent Tucker]

You can actually lift. And with, and with the random lightweight, about six or seven times a workout. Let's see. T bone, Mr. Coker. Why do you, oh, why do you let, like, the tiers below tier one? And why is Brent a prima donna? Why do you let like. Oh, I wish I knew what even.

[Drew Hansen]

Why do you just like the tiers below tier one?

[Brent Tucker]

Why do you like the tiers below tier one?

[Magnet]

I don't know.

[Greg Coker]

I don't know.

[Magnet]

It's.

[Brent Tucker]

He'll get, he'll get back to it. Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Please. Well, we only work with tier one, right?

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Let's see here. Dwight, Ozzy, if you get TK or Robbo on the podcast, can you do it as, dang it, as, as Chris Hansen style interview? You get it? The Chris Hansen style interview. The Catch a Predator where you get him to come into a random room where they just kind of pop out. Oh, that would be dirty. That'd be hilarious. Yeah, yeah. Let's see here. Qualified PI. I'm gonna Go clean my Walther while y' all rub your glocks like a teenager with a hustler.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

Airborne homestead. Mr. Coker, you came and spoke and talked to my EGP class 2014 while I was in the pit. Hit after being sugar cookied and told to walk like a crab. Night soccer. Don't quit.

[Greg Coker]

That's cool.

[Brent Tucker]

There you go.

[Greg Coker]

I'll be darn. That's a long time ago.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's see. Nothing but a peanut. Yeah, buddy. Kelanon compliant. What do you think of Trump's announcement? Long overdue. Why did, why did it take Trump? And you can hate Trump all you want and sometimes he gives the opposition and even the good side reasons to not like him. I'm not a blind Trumpster, but he does things like this and I don't understand why anyone is, is in opposition to it. He's trying to stop fraudulent elections.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

Why did it take Trump coming to power to do something about that 50 years? That's, that's what's crazy to me. That should be, that shouldn't be a political side. That's one of those things that both sides should come together. It's for the better of America.

[Matt Bissonnette]

So.

[Brent Tucker]

But it's one of those things just because Trump's for it, a lot of people are going to be against it and that's that I cannot and will not get behind. All right, we got a sound garden song coming up to finish up the night.

[Magnet]

People should be mad. You're going and voting and they're not counting your vote.

[Drew Hansen]

Well, that's because everybody fell in love with the Obama era. Those that love the Obama era and they wanted more of the Obama era and when they didn't get it.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know if I've heard this song, so I'm interested in this one. Let's get back to it. Yeah. Secure elections should be the most non controversial thing in the world. Alex Tuckerson, you are right. Billy Benoy 647 I5IT 4 years till Rob O' Neill goes broke and ends up as the night manager at Dairy Queen. Oh, no. I'd prefer him just, just do the. What Tim Kennedy is hopefully on the road to doing. And that's just admit your faults, say you're sorry and go move on and do great things because he has done great things in his career. Yes, he has it in him.

[Greg Coker]

He does.

[Brent Tucker]

Here's again, we're here to ask the questions that need to be asked. Mr. Coker from Fish on Probation. Mr. Coker, what's your Go to ice cream. I'm a fish food kind of guy. You got a go to ice cream, man.

[Greg Coker]

Blue bell.

[Brent Tucker]

What flavor?

[Greg Coker]

Vanilla.

[Brent Tucker]

You just. You just. Vanilla. You ever put chocolate syrup on it or just. Just the way it is? Straight, simple man. Just a Leonard Skynyrd. Simple man. Ain't nothing wrong with that. No, Ain't nothing wrong with that. When I was in SF and we'd get back from Iraq during the surge, the heyday of of IEDs, especially in the SUNY triangle, where we were. We were a dive team, really into fitness. But every time we got back from a ground convoy, we'd go straight to the chow hall and get a little ice cream bar. And we called it still got our Legs ice cream. And so we'd always celebrate that we still got our legs.

[Greg Coker]

Still got our leg.

[Brent Tucker]

And we're going to. And have a little bit. You deserve that. Have a little ice cream. And every now and again, something from.

[Greg Coker]

You guys would go out the gate with tourniquets already on.

[Brent Tucker]

I. I've seen it, and I'll tell you that I saw another team do that. Do you want to talk about, like, the reality of, of, like, the situation you're in when you see guys doing that? You're like, that's actually. That's actually pretty smart. I should. I should probably do that. I didn't. But it was, but it was. It was a good idea.

[Greg Coker]

Yes, sir. Was.

[Brent Tucker]

I'll ask it anyway. Airborne homestead. Mr. Coker, any static line jumps out of a little bird.

[Greg Coker]

Yes.

[Brent Tucker]

A static line?

[Greg Coker]

No.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay. No, no, no. I've. I've.

[Magnet]

I've.

[Greg Coker]

I didn't think for a second.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay, I've done some MFF jumps out of Little Bird.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. Go to 10K.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Quick Little elevators up there. Jump out. And because you're not moving very fast, it's very different for us because normally we're used to, like, jumping, hitting the wall of, of air moving at you, getting flat real quick. But if you don't have enough forward momentum, you. You don't have enough air to stabilize. So you're kind of waffling, unable to, to manipulate the air.

[Greg Coker]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

Until you start getting to a. A certain velocity, and then you can get stable. So it's really weird jumping out of a little bird because if you start going a certain direction, nothing you can do about it for a little bit here. Rack Shadow. How you doing, brother? Another Patreon member. Any auto rotations, Mr. Coker?

[Brian Callan]

Any auto.

[Greg Coker]

Yes, hundreds.

[Brent Tucker]

But any real world one that counted,

[Greg Coker]

you know, it's like, oh, man, it was.

[Brent Tucker]

And that was the one that you talked about in the recording, correct?

[Brian Callan]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Did you auto rotate on that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that you'll. You'll get. You'll get to hear that story on the recording. But. And there's a reason why you do. You do them hundred hundreds of times in training, so when you need it the most, you knew exactly what to do.

[Greg Coker]

Yes, sir.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Love that.

[Magnet]

Yep.

[Brian Callan]

Okay.

[Brent Tucker]

I don't know what Dustin Higby said about that, but. Okay. Eclectic. Carbon Mw4L. Is Chuck Norris really at the compound? Well, he's not with us anymore anymore, so I don't think he was buried at the compound. But he did. He did come visit once while I was there.

[Matt Bissonnette]

That was.

[Brent Tucker]

That was super cool.

[Greg Coker]

Heard about that Tiger Woods.

[Brian Callan]

He came.

[Brent Tucker]

Let's see. Oh, Whiskey T Fox. Why would you. That's a lot. He definitely has his own opinions. Nate has his own opinions. I don't agree with some of Nate's opinions, but I don't know if I'd go as far as calling Nate a. A fraud. Moondog said. Watched auto rotations for flight currency in Kuwait. Wild to see.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. Yeah. We're the only unit in the army that does them all the way to the ground, too.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, really?

[Magnet]

Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

Big army. You don't.

[Brent Tucker]

Oh, no, you just start it, but you don't finish.

[Greg Coker]

Put the engines back up. Yeah,

[Brent Tucker]

it was a. I was in the unit for a couple years. I think it was Little Birds. I could be wrong, maybe Blackhawks, but I think it was. I'm almost positive, as Little Birds. We had a. A training mission we were doing, and we were going into this target that was. And where we wanted to land had a bunch of smaller pine trees in the middle of some bigger pine trees, and there were no open areas to land. And so as I'm looking down there on the pod, I'm saying, well, I don't know we're going to go, but this is going to be a go around.

[Drew Hansen]

It was, I know where you're going.

[Brent Tucker]

It was not a go round. And we landed chopping up trees all the way down. And I hadn't seen that. And I was like, what are we doing? Again, not. I'm just a passenger. I don't know a whole lot. Didn't feel comfortable to me. But, hey, he did it. I had some questions later, and I was like, well, what was it about? He goes, ah, they're just saplings. He's like, I don't remember the. The dimension he told me it was like, if they did six or eight inches around, I don't really care. We'll just.

[Magnet]

They.

[Brent Tucker]

They're. They're nothing to the place. Yeah.

[Greg Coker]

And that's why we still have metal blades on little birds. Every other helicopter has composite.

[Brent Tucker]

Okay.

[Greg Coker]

But we kept the metal blade so we could chop.

[Brent Tucker]

Yeah. Okay. There it is. Yeah. And it was wild being. Being on that ride. Of course, there's pine needles going everywhere. Pine needles hit you in the face. You're trying to pull your feet up because you're just right. You're just riding down like this. All. All these trees. And he's like, that's where you wanted to be. I'm gonna put you in there whether there are trees there or not. This is what you asked for.

[Greg Coker]

And.

[Brent Tucker]

And it was a surprise to me, but another reason. I don't believe anyone else was gonna do that. But the 1/60 will put you anywhere you want, whenever you want to be put there, plus minus 30 seconds. Oh, Greg, you can come back anytime, brother. Anytime you're in Florida. If you. If you don't come hang out with the podcast, I'll be offended. That is the. That is the end of our quick show. We're going around the horn for Last Word Magnet. What do you got?

[Magnet]

Go check out LionArmsUSA.com and check us out on Instagram. Give us a follow. Like, subscribe to this podcast.

[Brent Tucker]

Do it, do it, do it, do it. Drew, what do you got? Have you had this on the whole show?

[Drew Hansen]

No, just because I can't. Because I can't read with them on.

[Brent Tucker]

Just can't read with them.

[Drew Hansen]

All right, so, hey, guys, I'm only a few hundred hours away from being monetized with Truth in the Dark, so I can get some support there. So what I need you guys to do is go to Truth in the Dark tonight, put your phone on silent, charge it, start an episode, and go to sleep. You don't even have to watch it, man. So I just. That. That'll help me out.

[Brent Tucker]

But we'll put it out on Patreon, too. We're gonna get you there this week. Patreon, you guys know, just.

[Drew Hansen]

Just let it play while you sleep. Seven o' clock Eastern time. We got live Sunday night, Bible studies, and then go to frcc, Shop for coffee, cigars, bourbon. You'll be glad you did.

[Brent Tucker]

All right.

[Drew Hansen]

Appreciate you guys.

[Brian Callan]

God bless.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah. All right. Thanks, bro.

[Brent Tucker]

Greg, you are the guest of honor and get the actual last word. What do you got, brother?

[Greg Coker]

Never quit.

[Brent Tucker]

Isn't that the truth? It's that simple.

[Greg Coker]

Yeah.

[Brent Tucker]

Never quit.

[Greg Coker]

Never quit.

[Brent Tucker]

It's been an absolute honor having you on the show. The recorded. Yes, the recorder was almost as fun as this. Of course, nothing can be as fun as as the live show, so I got to have two really fun episodes with you.

[Greg Coker]

Awesome.

[Brent Tucker]

Thank you so much, guys. We will see you next Thursday night for another live show, and I hope you had a good time and it makes you want to come back for more next Thursday. Thank you, guys. See you Patriots in a week.