TUCKER CARLSON 2028 IS HAPPENING

Summary

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Timcast IRL – "TUCKER CARLSON 2028 IS HAPPENING"

Date: August 6, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guests: Jack Posobiec, Ian Crosland, Phil Amante, Carter

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Overview

The main theme of this episode is the speculation and controversy around Tucker Carlson’s potential 2028 presidential run and the broader discussion about the rise of socialism and progressive politics in the U.S. The hosts and guests dissect recent political developments, reflect on history, and debate the implications for America’s future. The conversation spans a range of related topics, from policy and economics to the cultural currents shaping American society today, all delivered with the customary blend of sarcasm, frustration, and unfiltered analysis typical of Timcast IRL.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tucker Carlson 2028 Presidential Speculation

• Media Rumors: Reports are circulating that Tucker Carlson is preparing to run for president in 2028 after public appearances with prominent politicians (Massie, MTG, Joe Kent).
• Panel’s Skepticism: The crew questions whether the speculation is based on substance or media hype, noting that Carlson hasn’t formally announced (08:08, 13:19).
• Name Recognition: Discussion centers on Carlson’s plausibility as a candidate, comparing his communicative strengths to professional politicians (14:48).
• Third Party Dilemma: Concerns about repeating a “Ross Perot” situation, potentially splitting the right’s vote and enabling a Democrat (15:08).

“I don’t think that his podcast episode today is an announcement that he’s running for office.”
— Tim Pool [13:19]

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2. The Rise of Progressivism & Socialism

• Shift in U.S. Politics: Recent progressive wins, especially in Michigan, ignite debate about the trajectory toward socialism/communism (03:56, 06:04).
• Warning from History: Jack Posobiec frequently references his book on communist revolutions, arguing Americans are repeating European mistakes (04:35, 57:30).

“You can see it in Wisconsin, you can see it in Michigan last night...who could possibly have predicted the rise of communism and socialism in the United States? Or literally all of us, but only one of us wrote the book.”
— Jack Posobiec [03:56]

• Motivators: Phil argues the driving force is resentment/envy, not just material deprivation, paralleling revolutionary Russia and China to current U.S. grievances (76:00, 78:07).

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3. Democratic Party & Establishment Critique

• Betrayal Claims: Reaction to online statements about MAGA being “betrayed” by Trump, with panelists expressing general disillusionment with both sides of the establishment (08:21).
• Foreign Policy Cynicism: Discussion about Trump's record in the Middle East, missile strikes in Syria, and political donors influencing policy directions (08:21).

“I'm just sick of it. I'm sick of the pretend. Like every one of those people knows exactly what was going on with Trump’s campaign and what was happening in the Middle East...Spare me the lies and the manipulations from everybody.”
— Tim Pool [08:21]

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4. Food Inflation, "Burrito Index," and Populist Politics

• Burrito Cost Experiment: The crew orders burritos, guesses prices, and uses sticker shock as a metaphor for rising living costs and populist appeal (36:44 – 41:10).
  • Burritos from a popular chain cost $13–16 each, not including delivery fees, reflecting the squeeze on working class Americans.
• Analogy: Parallels are drawn between economic dissatisfaction and the political tactics of socialists who offer real but misguided solutions (54:47).

“If you’re sitting there and just telling voters in an election year that you need to settle for less, you’re going to lose. You’re going to be electorally slaughtered at the ballot box, and you probably should deserve to lose as well.”
— Jack Posobiec [54:47]

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5. Historical Reflections: What Can We Learn?

• Revolution Case Studies: Frequent analogies to the Russian Revolution, Bolshevik tactics, and failures of appeasement (e.g., Czar Nicholas II, the French Revolution, Spanish Civil War).
• Use of History: Jack and Tim suggest history is replete with warnings about underestimating radical movements and the necessity of political will to confront them (71:48–74:45, 101:47).

“It comes down to a question of will...And if one side abdicates the will to power, they’re going to lose.” — Jack Posobiec [101:47]

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6. Immigration, Demographics, and Social Change

• Japan as Example: Review of protests against a mosque’s construction in Japan as a lens into anxieties around demographic change and migration policy (63:09–66:59).
• American Context: The conversation returns to U.S. migration, with reference to mass migration’s effect on culture, economy, and political balance.

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7. Culture Wars, Media, and Manipulation

• Manufactured Division: Analysis of how elites and media steer attention from class to culture (e.g., WOKE controversies replacing Occupy Wall Street’s anti-bailout agenda) (86:57).
• Institutions Targeted: Descriptions of the progressive left’s infiltration and transformation of institutions—libraries, scouts, churches—for ideological purposes (67:35, 69:39).

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8. Political Violence and the Looming Threat of Radicalism

• Escalation Warning: The escalating risk of political violence is discussed, especially with increased DSA victories, unpunished attacks on ICE, and street-level antagonism (96:07–97:59).
• Response Debate: Examination of what the government should do about calls to violence, with references to First Amendment limits and the failure of authorities to prosecute left-wing agitators (104:12).

“If the right is unwilling to enforce its own laws against terrorism, terrorism will win."
— Tim Pool [103:41]

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9. Leadership, Revolutionary Energy, and the Perils of Appeasement

• Lincoln vs. Franco: Argument over which historical figure is better to invoke as a model—Lincoln (popular, willing to break laws to save the union) or Franco (defeated communists in Spain through raw force) (106:27–113:09).
• Lessons for the Present: The hosts warn that appeasement (of radicals, disruptive movements) historically leads to defeat, advocating for assertive action in the face of existential political threats.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

(Timestamps in MM:SS format where possible)

• “I think that a guy like that [referring to Abdul El Sayed], with the amount of resentment that he has, the amount of hatred that he has for American systems, American institutions, he's there because he wants to say those violent things. He doesn't care about equality, doesn't care about helping people. He wants to hurt people.”
  — Jack Posobiec [118:12]

• “Revolutions don't end up with a better system. Historically, that never happens. The United States is an anomaly in that."
  — Phil Amante [93:19]

• “When Hassan Piker went on his show and told people to go kill people, he should have got arrested for that. That is not free speech."
  — Tim Pool [100:53]

• “If the Communists win, yeah, you’re on the list for sure. Most regular Americans are. This is what the Bolsheviks did. This is what communists do.”
  — Tim Pool [99:05]

• “It comes down to a question of will...And if one side, one side abdicates the will to power, they're going to lose."
  — Jack Posobiec [101:47]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 03:54–14:03: Panel welcomes guests; socialism’s rise, Tucker rumors
• 36:44–41:10: Burrito price experiment, food inflation, populist politics
• 54:47–62:40: Socialist grievance tactics, historical analogies, hypothetical "food rationing"
• 79:03–88:22: Roots of envy, revolutionary psychology, historical materialism vs. resentment
• 93:19–95:03: Why most revolutions yield worse systems, U.S. as exception, founding philosophy
• 101:47–107:14: Political violence, historical precedent, necessity of willpower
• 109:20–112:04: Lincoln vs. Franco debate, lessons from the Spanish Civil War

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Tone, Style, & Memorable Moments

• Tone: Sarcastic, forthright, occasionally fatalistic; mixes historical erudition with pop culture references and irreverence.
• Style: Conversation alternates between serious analysis, sarcastic banter, and cultural asides (e.g., anime, food).
• Memorable Moments:
  • The "burrito test" as a stand-in for broader economic malaise.
  • Jack Posobiec’s stories and references to his own book on communist revolutions.
  • Spirited debate about revolution, appeasement, and historic parallels (Lincoln, Franco, Czar Nicholas).

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL uses the lens of the Tucker Carlson 2028 rumors and recent political developments to launch a sweeping discussion about the state of American politics, the dangers of revolutionary movements, and the lessons of history. Through candid debate, historical analogies, and meta-commentary about the news cycle and media manipulation, the panel articulates deep anxieties about the trajectory of U.S. society. The episode is accessible for those not listening live, with its energetic blend of hard news, storytelling, and gallows humor.

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Transcript

[Tim Pool]

So the progressive one in Michigan last night, it is still a little too close to call, but doesn't matter because the establishment Democrat called and conceded. So hey, open and shut case right now. I'm gonna go ahead and argue that's actually good news for Republicans because the polling that we've seen from many of the liberal institutional media outlets is that about 2 to 1 when facing a socialist or progressive candidate, moderates will choose to go Republican. But. But here's where it gets real interesting. It is now being reported simply because. So Tucker Carlson has this meeting with, you know, Massie, MTG and a few others, Joe Kent. And this is taken to mean that Tucker is preparing a third party or a presidential run in 2028. We don't know for sure, but it is being reported by numerous outlets that it appears Tucker is preparing to run for office. Which is funny because he's hinted at it several times. Many people have predicted that he might and now the reporting has finally landed Tucker 2028. I mean, people were talking about him being the VP back before J.D. vance got chosen. So we shall see. We're gonna talk about that. Plus we got a bunch of really interesting stories. One that was kind of overlooked in the past week. In Japan, people are protesting the construction of a mosque. Now that is. I watched this video cuz Japanese people are so like I, I don't know what's the right studious and and calm to see this video of people just violent rioting, just angry over a mosque I thought was particularly interesting. And then I thought to myself, why are they building a mosque in Japan? This is it. This, this is crazy. We'll talk about it and more before we get started. We got a great sponsor for you. It is Tax Network USA. Head over to tnusa.com tim or click the link below. You guys owe back taxes. You guys have unfiled tax returns. Maybe you retired and suddenly got hit with a tax bill you didn't expect. Are you a business owner with messy books and a balance you can't afford? However your tax issue started, the outcome is the same. Your balance is not going down. Penalties grow, interest compounds. And many of you are about to owe again for this upcoming tax year with no plan in place. Stop what you're doing now and call Tax Network usa. The IRS is not waiting. The IRS is enforcing collections through wage garnishment, bank levies and property seizures. They can even file for you without your consent. This is where Tax Network USA comes in. With over 15 years in the business, there hasn't been a tax case they haven't seen or resolved. They specialize in tax controversies and help taxpayers nationwide get back on track by resolving back taxes and unfiled returns once and for all. Whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million. Their team has resolved over $1 billion in tax debt. They can do the same for you, but you gotta call. Now. They're offering a free investigation call. After that investigation, they put a clear case plan in place to resolve your tax problem and get you back on track. This is about you using your legal rights to take control before the government sets terms for you. So don't wait for an IRS letter or a frozen bank account. Call 866-686-1535, that's 866-686-1535. Or visit tnusa.com Tim click or click the link below. Don't forget, also pick up some Cast Brew coffee if you haven't already. We got a bunch of great blends and varieties. Appalachian Nights, of course, everybody's favorite. But a bunch of different flavored options for all of your favorite personalities. You got Mary's Ghost blend. You got the 1776 signature brew from Josie. You got two weeks till Christmas despite, I think we launched that a year and over almost two years ago now. It's been a while. We have Luck of the Sheamus. And don't forget Ian's Graphine Dream. Check it all out@cast brew.com also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met in your life. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Jack Posic.

[Jack Posobiec]

What's going on, man?

[Tim Pool]

Been a little while.

[Jack Posobiec]

Been, been some time. I think the last time I was here, you weren't even here. So I said, Tim's back. I got to come back. We got to bring, we got to get the whole crew together because it turns out that there's a socialist revolution going on in the United States. You can see it in with Wisconsin. You can see in Michigan last night. And it's like, wow, who could have possibly seen, who could possibly have predicted the rise of communism and socialism in the United States of America? Or literally all of us, but only one of us wrote the book. Here it is, Ian. Here it is, Ian. Yes, it is the book on human secrecy of communist revolutions and how to crush them. And look, guys, you know, I wish I was wrong with voting, right? But here we are. You know, voting is one of the tactics. There are many voting. And look, you know, this is something where and obviously we'll talk about on the show. But you know, this is two years ago we put this book out and we said if this is not heated then we are going to get into a bad place in our country. And unfortunately I think we're getting closer to that place. We've got the president, we've got Trump and he is doing a lot. But at the same time these guys are coming. They are absolutely coming. And they are getting feral.

[Phil Amante]

Yep.

[Ian Crosland]

The sentiment is bubbling. I feel it as well, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I did.

[Ian Crosland]

I decided to wear these synthetic Disianan goggles. Dian. Demon goggles. D. Breaking out the, the red wavelengths.

[Jack Posobiec]

Dyson. Are they Dyson goggles?

[Ian Crosland]

I'm not sure.

[Carter]

Vacuum.

[Ian Crosland]

But, but basically what we're going to be talking about tonight is borderline demonic. I just want to make sure that no one inside.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's why I've got unintentionally on this right here.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, we'll go easy and slow.

[Jack Posobiec]

J. I mean you talked to Monica saw that Paris Hilton video last night.

[Ian Crosland]

I didn't watch it.

[Tim Pool]

Jeez. We, we, we pulled up not knowing what it was and played on the uncensored portion of the show.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh wow, he's really bad.

[Tim Pool]

Well, on the uncensored portion, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, but still, I mean that's, that's rough. I mean that's not. Demonic possession is real.

[Tim Pool]

It was just on a. I was like, oh, it's an X video. And I played, I went, oh my God.

[Carter]

There were like three of them.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. We started on Tick Tock and then. Yeah, that was, I mean, but, but no, you're 100. Demonic activity is absolutely on the rise. I think all these things are connected

[Tim Pool]

and it's say that he thought demons were after him. A while ago someone, someone mentioned that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wouldn't it be clear that he was clearly right if he said that?

[Carter]

I thought he had said like he recently had some kind of like transcendent like God reaching out to him thing, which made it even weirder.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe it wasn't God.

[Carter]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

I think in order to destroy demons you have to become a demon for a brief moment. So they're like, don't, don't fight demons too much cuz you'll get, you'll get lost in it. So I just want to make sure that as we pass through hell, the

[Jack Posobiec]

other side, you don't want to, you don't want to fight demons without invoking Christ. So if you're trying to fight demons on your own, then you're what you're doing by engaging with the demons. You're letting the demon in.

[Phil Amante]

Ian can do it, you know.

[Tim Pool]

You know what Ian reminds me of? Wearing those glasses. This guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's literally just a picture of Ian. I don't.

[Ian Crosland]

I don't.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's how I feel. What are we. What are we looking at?

[Ian Crosland]

It's just.

[Tim Pool]

It's just a picture of Ian.

[Carter]

Two monocles.

[Tim Pool]

It's the. The bad guy from men in black 3.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, yeah, it is. Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Jermaine Clement played him.

[Ian Crosland]

That's what Charles was saying before the

[Tim Pool]

show, too, that you looked like the guy from.

[Ian Crosland]

He was identifying this guy and he's. When he takes his glasses off, of course, he has deep, soulless black pits where his eyes should be.

[Tim Pool]

Doesn't he have, like, teeth or something where his eyes are?

[Phil Amante]

Yeah, and he has a little spider monster that can crawl out of his hand.

[Ian Crosland]

Wicked.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Fortunately, I'm just pretending to be like that. I'm here to help.

[Phil Amante]

Are you really, dude? I'm here to help.

[Ian Crosland]

I think, because. Okay, the human aura, I believe it's a real thing. What I think it is is the. The light refracting through the gas that's going in and out of your skin. You know, your skin's porous, so when light refracts through it, you see a color depending on how oxygenated your body is, because the gas will be different oxygenation levels, the more oxygen.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And when you. When you open up a certain chakra point, a blue mist, a blue aura comes off because that's your sweat evaporating.

[Carter]

Hardcore.

[Tim Pool]

And then when you open the final gate of death, it turns red because it's blood.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, I. I guess that's one way to look at it. But the problem is, if your aura is red, other people will look like they have red or is you die.

[Tim Pool]

Open the gate of death.

[Ian Crosland]

It's when it goes black. That's anyway, really dangerous.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys introduce yourselves, or.

[Phil Amante]

I'm Phil. Hi.

[Carter]

What's up? Yeah, Carter here. And Ian.

[Tim Pool]

It's probably more interesting, to be honest. Here's the news from Wired.com Maga is in turmoil over Tucker Carlson's possible 2028 presidential bid. I don't think they're in turmoil. What's these ridiculous. I just. I'm. Guys, I'm.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's so much turmoil. Look, there's so much turmoil. Everybody's loiling.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the post. Tucker says MAGA was betrayed. We all were. It's time for a new path forward. More tomorrow night at 6pm Eastern. Marjorie Taylor Greene posted this. We said no more foreign wars. We meant it in support of Donald Trump because he made that promise. But he's betrayed us all. Our commitment is America first for all Americans, right, left and center. The movement has begun. You know what? I'm ready to just say no to everybody. I'm just done. Donald Trump fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria in his first term. Miriam Adelson funded to what, like 100, $150 million. Trump's second run. These people are all lying. I'm just sick of it. I'm sick of the pretend. Like every one of those people knows exactly what was going on with Trump's, Trump's campaign and what was happening in the Middle East. Don't get me wrong. Nobody thought we were going to be entrenched in this, this, this long drawn out Hormuz conflict. I get that. But the idea that it was not in your. Oh, we're betrayed heaven. How could this, how could this have happened? It's like Tucker and his brother on his show. He said Tucker says I'm sorry, I didn't know. And his brother says maybe that money from Miriam Adelson meant something. And then Tucker goes. Because they all knew what Miriam Adelson's money meant. So spare me the lies and the manipulations from everybody. Liberals doing it. They're doing it. I'm not interested in living your fake reality.

[Phil Amante]

Tucker posted a video, an hour and 40 minute video at 8.

[Jack Posobiec]

So this happened. No, that he said 6pm last night. So that meeting today. So he posted it last night. So did. What was the.

[Phil Amante]

It just. It just went up at eight minutes.

[Tim Pool]

It was. Well, I.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right up.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah, it went up just now. It went up at his announcement. It will all. I don't know what it is. It's an hour.

[Carter]

It was.

[Phil Amante]

It's a posted and it was our political. I think it's collapsed into Pereira. This is including changes coming. Here's what America should do.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think that. I think that it was paywalled at. Right. And now this is the public announcement. So indeed.

[Ian Crosland]

Which is that he might run for president.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Thank God. His announcement of what America should be is sponsored by Angel Studio.

[Jack Posobiec]

Angel Studios and a shout out to

[Tim Pool]

American Financing.net, who also sponsors this show.

[Ian Crosland]

This is with.

[Tim Pool]

We have no beef with them. We like America.

[Ian Crosland]

The whole like America's crumbling, blah blah, blah. Firstly, fix the economy. If you want to fix it, stop complaining. But Jack, what do you think about this Middle Eastern conflict? Do you Think it's inevitable and that it has to happen, or you think it's a bland mistake, which this Iranian.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's inevitable? No, I mean, do you think it's inevitable?

[Carter]

Do you think.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are you saying that. I think it's inevitable that the United States and Iran get into a conflict.

[Ian Crosland]

If, like, Tucker came in, it was like, we're going to fix it. Now we're withdrawing all of our forces from the Iranian front.

[Phil Amante]

Fix anything.

[Ian Crosland]

I don't think it would fix anything either. I just. I wonder what your take on it is, too.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I mean, you know, 2020, it's a long time away, so I don't. I have to imagine that whatever's going on now would be quite different, you know, a year and a half from now if. If Trump were to escalate, for example, we could be in a massive ground war, for example, in 2028. I don't think that's going to happen. I'm just saying that, you know, it could. But it seems to me like the deal is probably going to be what's going to happen here. And there may be a new traffic separation scheme where there's, like, one Omani route to the south, like a northern route and a southern route or something like that. But, you know, I don't think that. I certainly don't think that hostilities are inevitable. No.

[Ian Crosland]

You mean like a northern and southern trade route south, The. The waterway?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, because it. Because it. So there's territorial waters there. If you. If you look at it, one is Iran, one is Oman, and of course, it's been governed by the United Nations Law of the Sea Convention, and so as a. As an international transit waterway. And so. But effectively, what's been going on so effectively in the past, it was just sort of open, right? Um, but the. There was only dredged in the center because the large tankers weren't able to get through, like, the large hole, especially when it's full, so it's gonna be lower. And so with the super tankers. But now the Omanis are kind of have kind of cleared out a route that's completely to the south. And because it's. They call it the hugging Oman route. And the reason that that matters is because it doesn't stray into Iranian waters at all. And so they're saying, hey, if this thing doesn't go into Iranian waters, what's your. You know, what is your claim for. For messing with the shipping? While Iran, of course, is saying, like, well, we want to control all shipping and. And we want to Control all trade through that. And so what seems to be happening, at least as far as I know, I haven't, you know, I don't have any direct information as to the, the current negotiations that are taking place, but what seems to be happening is this sort of like dual route scenario, like you say, like a northern route, southern route.

[Ian Crosland]

Okay, well, that's extremely promising.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you. I hope so. Yeah. And by the way, that's, that's also why oil futures, you know, went down, I think, to like $75 a barrel today.

[Phil Amante]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because on, on the backs of these

[Ian Crosland]

talks, I applaud Tucker for announcing that he might be running. If that's what he did, maybe in the future.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I'd like to, I'd like to know what we're reacting to.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Before we say anything, I fully support Joe Kent.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that his podcast episode today is an announcement that he's running for office.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm kind of tongue in.

[Jack Posobiec]

If he announced he's running, I feel like that would have come out of the pay side, right?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, it's just this has been the narrative for some time and with the photo from Marjorie Taylor Greene, the media is running with the. Tucker Carlson's preparing a bid.

[Phil Amante]

No, no, no.

[Jack Posobiec]

I, I know that, you know, it's been sort of out there, but he,

[Phil Amante]

this is probably laying the foundation for some kind of run or to be an advisor on someone's. Someone's campaign, but he's just laying out. This is what I think should happen. And that probably aligns with, with Massey and with Kent and with Marjorie.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because I actually thought, I actually thought it would be more likely that Massie would announce a run like I thought that would be more.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Massey's not gonna, He's. He doesn't have presidential X factor. Who do you.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that, that he should or shouldn't. I'm just saying that he's been a politician, he's run for office. Tucker's never run for anything before, so it just, just doesn't seem.

[Phil Amante]

Who do you.

[Jack Posobiec]

I haven't, I haven't spoken to.

[Phil Amante]

Who do you guys think actually would have the best chance?

[Jack Posobiec]

The politician would, Would be the one to do it.

[Phil Amante]

Because I don't think Massey can. I don't think Massey could win. I think out of all of them, Tucker probably has the best chance because of name recognition.

[Ian Crosland]

Are you saying in excluding JD Vance and Marco Rubio.

[Phil Amante]

I think I'm talking about out. Out of out. Of the. Just the people that we're talking about, like, who could win? Like, who could actually convince the American people?

[Ian Crosland]

Probably Tucker Carl.

[Carter]

I would say that.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, he's obviously a better communicator. But you know, the thing is that, that elections never happen in a vacuum. Right. So if, if they're up against J.D. there's. There's no question like J.D. wins. There's. That's just, just obvious.

[Phil Amante]

You know, you think they win against Marco Rubio if they make it the, the weird. The America first anti war and, and Marco Rubio con.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think ultimately the, the real question is, does this create a Ross Perot situation? So Ross Perot runs in 1992. He gets about 18% of the vote. And then that effectively blocks George H.W. bush from reelection. And, and, and then Clinton gets in with having only won about 42.

[Phil Amante]

Or AOC gets in this time, which.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, yeah, yeah, I'm just talking about

[Ian Crosland]

that Ross Perot thing was crazy. Which by the way Bush, which by

[Jack Posobiec]

the way, the Democrats never bring that up whenever they attack the electoral college. The fact that, that the way that Bill Clinton won was not the popular vote. He was way below 50%.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

But literally only almost 40%.

[Phil Amante]

To your point. That is like the nightmare situation. Right. AOC is running and whether people like her or not, whether people. Obviously I would never vote for or whatever, but people are going to freak out. But she's an extremely skilled politician and she's got a lot of charisma. If she's running as the Democrat and then you have to split the Republican ticket between, you know, Tucker's party and whoever is kind of the establishment or the MAGA candidate, however you want to. Want to conceive of it, that I think that, that AOC runs away with

[Jack Posobiec]

it, then I think I'll just throw out there. And I know we haven't, you know, really talked about him yet. I don't know if we're going to in a separate topic or whatever, but I think that Abdul El Sayed. I think that. I think if he wins in November,

[Ian Crosland]

he runs as for president, his name already is making me. And I'm not racist. But that just knowing how people think you're in a guy named Abdul, you

[Jack Posobiec]

literally have said you're not like Barack Hussein Obama.

[Ian Crosland]

His name was Hussein Obama. I don't think he would.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys see in Vegas, they mentioned that cop whose name was like Al Bed or something and then everyone started booing.

[Phil Amante]

No, I didn't.

[Tim Pool]

There's a cop who Got killed in line of duty. The other day when they mentioned his name because it was an Arabic name, people started booing.

[Ian Crosland]

I don't want to talk crap about

[Jack Posobiec]

this guy Jack that you're talking about

[Ian Crosland]

because he might be a phenomenal human being.

[Phil Amante]

I'll talk crap about him.

[Ian Crosland]

Worth overriding my prejudice.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I'd like to talk crap about him, if I may.

[Ian Crosland]

Sidelines. Oh, you do? Yeah. What's his story? What's this guy?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, he's a fake doctor, for one. That's fake doctor. A big old fake doctor. Oh, well, yeah, he. He went to medical school, if I have this down correctly. He went to medical school, but then never completed any of, like, his residency requirements, never got a license, and kind of runs around portraying himself as a doctor, yet he never actually practiced as a doctor.

[Tim Pool]

Huh?

[Ian Crosland]

He got his license, but he never practiced.

[Jack Posobiec]

He didn't get a license. Oh, didn't get. Because you have to. You have to do all this.

[Carter]

You have to do the years of stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

You have to. You have years of additional stuff. You can't just go to school and then not become a doctor. It's like he finished the school and decided it was too much work for him because he's lazy and decided that he would kind of like go into politics.

[Ian Crosland]

It's totally going to be Rubio Vance versus Buddha Judge aoc.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I could see. I do think that Buttigieg's name will be up there, you know, as. As someone's vice president. It seems like he's making those moves. But I just say that I don't discount a guy like El Sayed that if he wins for Senate, and keep in mind that we had a guy named Obama who won as a senator in. In the Midwest, and he'd only been there for two years, and he ran for president and he won. And his name.

[Tim Pool]

When. When Obama got elected, I remember I was watching the TV and what, what. What year was. It was like. It was 2008.

[Carter]

2000.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, 2000. No, no, it wasn't. He didn't. He didn't win the Senate in 2008. He won the Senate.

[Jack Posobiec]

Senate 2, 6.

[Tim Pool]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And he famously spoke at the 2004

[Tim Pool]

RNC or at the 2006 election when he won, he was asked, will you now run for president? Literally. He had not been in federal elected office. He. He had just gotten elected senator elect. And they were like, will you run for President now in 2004?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. The media was just gushing, gushing over him.

[Ian Crosland]

I lived in Chicago in 2003-2005. And my roommate was like, he's going to be president one day in 2004. I was like, who is this guy? He's like, he's just so awesome, dude. He's a community organizer. He's going to be great. I'm like, really?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, here's, here's what I want to say to you, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

We going to say.

[Tim Pool]

We going to say politics is completely fake and everyone's lying.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, are you telling me politics is fake and gay?

[Tim Pool]

Everyone? What?

[Ian Crosland]

Right, left upside of here with an H. Dude, I'll tell you why.

[Tim Pool]

I want you to look at this here. Tweet from Chris Martinson.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, I saw this tweet. This was fun.

[Tim Pool]

Jack Posobic says, I have a chart. Immigration is going up. Everything else is going down. What an excellent start. You are correct, 100%.

[Jack Posobiec]

What an incredible chart.

[Tim Pool]

It's a, it's a meme. It represents an idea. It is not literal. What did Chris Martenson say? Why is it that Jack Posobic keeps conflating immigration with migration? What does that mean?

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm, I'm, I'm at a loss here.

[Tim Pool]

So I think you meant illegal immigration. Well, so the point is, I get

[Jack Posobiec]

what he means though, because so immigration in inherently in the word, you would think, well that's, that's legal immigration. Because of course that means you've gone through a process. It's an invasion, you know, otherwise the invasion. So he's saying. So he's like, he's like. I don't know his voice, but I imagine it sounds like this. It seems intentional or ignorant to the point that he should stop posting and dragging down the collective iq, which is really interesting because actually it's mass migration that is dragging down the collective IQ of the United States, which is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, to be fair, it's actually bringing up the average iq.

[Jack Posobiec]

Go on.

[Tim Pool]

So when stupid people come in, the IQ is the average of the body. So if you bring in, if you have 100 smart people and they can like, so IQ is relative to the body itself. So you have a group of people and we say their IQ relative to neighboring countries is 110. Then you bring in a bunch of people who are 90 IQ, they go, oh, but wait, now the relative body itself, right? So now what we have to do is we have to lower the standard to 100 represents the average. 100 is going to go down lower. So if you needed to be able to solve like a quadratic equation, which is not particularly difficult, I guess but to, in order to have, like, a strong iq, now it's like you have to know how to, like, water a plant. And now it's like, hey, he put the star in the star hole. That's 100 IQ. Everyone in America's IQ goes up.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's like, it's, it's like when you go back and you look at those, you know, this was an eighth grade test in, in 1910, and you're like. And they're like, they're like, translate this into Greek.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, and it's. And it's kind of amazing. No, and it's, and it's, it's funny because guys like Chris Martinson are so just totally, totally ignorant of what's actually happening in rally. Totally ignorant. I got to stupid because we are bringing in stupid people.

[Tim Pool]

When he says you're dragging down the collective iq, he's calling you very smart. He's saying that you're so smart, your IQ is so high, it forces the average.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it forces one. I'm throwing the average off.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly.

[Phil Amante]

Shame on you.

[Tim Pool]

You know, everyone's IQ number is going down because it's harder to maintain a high level of.

[Jack Posobiec]

Doesn't actually understand how averages work.

[Ian Crosland]

I thought Chris was very, very articulate and kind of a pioneer during COVID He was really outspoken.

[Tim Pool]

No, he's fake. It's all fake. It's all fake.

[Ian Crosland]

We had him on the show.

[Tim Pool]

I understand. I understand once, at least. It's just. This is fake. Like, this, this Tucker Carlson world, it's all fake. And I think Trump's in on it, too. I think it's all fake. I'm in the car with Tucker. Tucker calls Trump on the phone, and they're laughing together and giggling. Granted, that was a year and a half ago, but still, I mean, this is, this is.

[Jack Posobiec]

I will say that I've seen, and I don't know Chris, I've never spoken to Chris. And, you know, I mean, I can just tell his level of IQ by looking at, reading this. But I will say, though, I've been in, like, the Congress, right? And in the hall of Congress, when you go to the. Where the media row is basically set up in the gallery that you can see these. They'll all be standing next to each other, but one's on Fox, one's on cnn, one's on msnbc, and you could see these congressmen, Congressman, whatever, and they'll be on the shows and they're just blasting each other, just lighting each other up. Red meat, blue meat. Right. All the rest. Then, then the. Well, I guess, I guess blue soy. And it's. And, and then the cameras go off and they're like, hey, it's so good to see you. How are you doing? And like they kind of hug and you're like, what just happened? We have, it's like the curtain comes down.

[Ian Crosland]

We'll have like Brian Shapiro on the show, which is notably hostile dialogue. Sometimes Shapiro is known for being like, aggressive as hell. Tim and Phil blow up at each other and have. Afterwards, we'll hang out. Well, a bunch of us and. But like we're transparent about it. It's not like we pretend to hate each other and then hang out.

[Tim Pool]

No, but like the thing, the thing is when we're sitting at this table with someone like Brian and he's saying, Trump did bad thing that Trump did not do, and we're arguing when the show's over, we're no longer talking about that. So the temperature comes down. However, I will stress, then I will be sitting at a poker table with Brian and it's almost the same thing. He'll be at the table, you know, like, I roll with the punches. So like when we have on the show, like, I'll laugh at jokes. I don't care if you make fun of Trump. It's just what is true is and what is fake is fake. So when he says something that's not true, like we're sitting at the poker table and he starts talking about gun control for which he knows nothing about. It's the same thing. We're, we're, we're at it again.

[Phil Amante]

I blocked him on X again.

[Ian Crosland]

He said he loves you, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

I just think, you know, every day I watch this stuff. And it was interesting during COVID because a lot of podcasts had nothing to talk about because nothing was happening because we were all locked down. It was the same story almost every single day. And now we're getting that same thing again. And people are so desperate for there to be something to talk about. It's this. I'll tell you what's really, what's much more interesting. I was watching body camera videos today.

[Jack Posobiec]

I love watching body care.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it was like some dudes on a motorcycle were evading the cops and then when the cops, he like fled the cops and then came back and taunted them, then sped off again and then the helicopter came out and then he was screwed. And turns out he's like a 16 year old kid and he's screaming like, call my mom. And they're like, nope, you're going to prison.

[Phil Amante]

As many gold watches, a ton of those. Now, he reacts to a ton of those.

[Jack Posobiec]

People used to say that as we go.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, because it's, it's way more interesting to watch regular people, like, falling on skis than it is to talk about, like, listen, this is my point. These, this beef, these arguments, it's, it's make believe because they're trying to convince you to watch them, that's all.

[Ian Crosland]

I've been into farming. I know it's like, what?

[Phil Amante]

But you planted anything.

[Ian Crosland]

Some microgreens, some broccoli grew.

[Tim Pool]

I got an idea. No, no, I mean, I figured it out. You know, we need to make, we need to make body camera videos, but it's like the cops are chickens and the criminals are chickens, and so you'll get that voice. You ever watch those videos where it's like the true crime voice, and it's

[Carter]

like, yeah, he's like, narrating over the top.

[Tim Pool]

It'll be like the police officers pulled the man over, but they didn't expect what would happen next. And the car, like, peels out. We got to make these. And then it's like, it'll be like a chicken body camera.

[Jack Posobiec]

And you'll go like, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then the other chicken will plot

[Ian Crosland]

a knife, swing it, make West Virginia farming fun again. Man, if we can inspire the world to start farming, I mean, that's like, if you really want to heal the

[Tim Pool]

planet, can somebody AI make chicken cops?

[Ian Crosland]

You know why I love that farming right now is because I've been so indoctrinated with instant gratification. I'm so used to, like, push a button and see outcome that planting a seed and not seeing it for like a day, but it's still, it's still growing. It's so slow, you know? And there's this miraculous reward with patience and diligence.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's. No, that's, that's what you're doing is you're rewiring your dopamine receptors.

[Ian Crosland]

He's not farming.

[Phil Amante]

He's not even gardening.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, but, no, no, no. I, I, but I, I get that. But what I'm saying is awesome. There's, There is a difference, There is a difference between being locked in on social media all day and looking for that instant gratification. You're like, why is chat GPT still loading? Why is Grox still loading? I need it now. I need it now.

[Carter]

What do you mean? I hit my usage limit? What?

[Jack Posobiec]

Turn up the data center. You know, I Need this immediately. Why would you render versus, you know, having the patience that it takes for a slow, gradual release of dopamine. I personally don't have the patience for gardening or farming. My wife loves gardening because she's more into nurturing and she's more into growing things. And so, you know, that's why when, you know, when one of her flowers blooms, she has a huge response to it. And it is more fulfilling than just like pulling up an image of a flower on a phone. Because it's real.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah. My mom has been. My mom grew up fairly poor in South Carolina, and she always had a garden because they were supplementing their, you know, their. Their nutrition with that and stuff. So I. She always had a garden in. In our backyard when I was growing up. So, like, there'd always be, like, vegetables. We'd just go out there and grab them and stuff. Even still, you know, my mom's in her 70s, and every year, come March, she's planting stuff to put under the lights. So that way when May comes, she can get it out into the actual raised beds that she still has. She has no grass in her yard. It's all raised beds and stuff. But it is a different kind of, you know, a different kind of reward when you're, you know, searching for that dopamine hit when you're scrolling or whatever, as opposed to you, like, spending time out in the. Out in the, you know, outside, you have to weed and stuff, make sure the. The beds don't get overgrown with. With garbage and, you know, all that stuff that goes along with gardening. The. The. The reward is different.

[Ian Crosland]

I still don't have kids, but I imagine it's sort of similar to watching a kid grow up, because it's not. What is planting and raising a garden?

[Phil Amante]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think so. No, no.

[Jack Posobiec]

I. What you're saying in a Medicense is. Is correct. It's. It's that. It's the process of nurturing. Right.

[Carter]

It's.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is it. Are they totally different things? Of course. Right. But it's also, it's caring about something that's outside yourself, that's other than yourself, and it's putting that. The time and effort in. And it's also. It's partially. It's a responsibility and a duty too. Right.

[Tim Pool]

I just.

[Ian Crosland]

You have.

[Tim Pool]

I've had a garden before.

[Jack Posobiec]

You have to garden.

[Tim Pool]

And maybe I would say to an extent, there's an overlap, but it's like a garden is 0.01% of the feeling.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I'm not saying it's the same thing.

[Tim Pool]

No, they're just like, yeah, but you know, if like a grizzly bear came to my garden, I just watch and be like, look at him go.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look.

[Tim Pool]

If a great movie came up to my kid, I'd be like, I am going to.

[Jack Posobiec]

You might get involved.

[Tim Pool]

I am going to fight this.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, Ian. I'll tell you what though. Watching. What. But that, but that is, here's, here's how it's the same thing because when, when you, when I see my kid hit a double in the playoff game, that's watching the flower bloom. You know, when, when I see my son being able to, you know, bang out 10 pull ups on the monkey bars and then, and then flip upside down and flip, flip down. That's watching the flower bloom. Like, and it does take longer, but the release is so much sweeter.

[Carter]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

With animals, there's the animal husbandry. That's the term of like raising and caring for animals. Husband. I went to the etymology of the term.

[Tim Pool]

It means house.

[Ian Crosland]

Husband bound. So house bond. House bond.

[Jack Posobiec]

House bond.

[Ian Crosland]

You take with your wife or your, your animals, you know, you become their, their animal. You husband them. Basically.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's what we've been, that's what Tim's been doing with you all this time.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm domesticated as a result, if you can't tell.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Tim. Is he completely domesticated at this point or.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, it's more like we left the door open and he wandered. Yeah, it's like when you, when you, when you go to like your, your process and there's like a raccoon in there.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right, right. You're like, stay here, little buddy.

[Phil Amante]

Come on.

[Jack Posobiec]

This isn't.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's more like I don't want to get, I don't want it to bite me. I don't want to get rabies.

[Ian Crosland]

Know where I.

[Jack Posobiec]

And you can't get rid of it.

[Tim Pool]

You don't know what he's put in his mouth, you know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Keeps coming back.

[Tim Pool]

It keeps coming back. Well, I mean, we keep leaving the food out, so.

[Carter]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Anyway.

[Jack Posobiec]

Graphene everywhere.

[Ian Crosland]

I won't go too hard on farming, but I. Because all this garbage. Digital this and digital that and what he said and what she said, like, if we can produce our own food and like legitimately fund a city, like provide.

[Tim Pool]

All the Chinese want to buy the

[Ian Crosland]

farmland and the Blackrock wants to buy the farmland, so could be a good antidote.

[Tim Pool]

We have too much food, man. Like watching these videos, like Mukbang videos. It's just a sweet meteor of death.

[Jack Posobiec]

But is food cheap right now, Tim? I don't know.

[Phil Amante]

Nothing's cheap right now. But the problem isn't. Well, the problem is a lack of the ability to deliver food to the people that need it.

[Tim Pool]

No, the issue is food is a generic term, and it's not appropriate. What we really need to ask is, is protein cheap? Right, because starch is cheap, and that's why people are so fat. You go to the ice cream shop and it's like 2.95 and they give you a quart of ice cream. I'm not even playing. You go out here to one of these, like, you know, like Dairy Queen or whatever, and you're like, let me get, you know, like a peanut buster, whatever they're called, and they're literally gonna give you a pint, a full pint of soft serve covered in chocolate peanuts, and it's like two bucks. Now, that's not gonna develop muscle mass for you, but it'll make you fat as hell. So we're seeing a bunch of morbidly obese, yet still malnourished people. If you are a parent trying to feed your kids, they can't just eat sweets. They can't just eat blueberries. They got to eat their chicken before they can have their blueberries.

[Phil Amante]

Give them eggs, too.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, but what about. Well, I was.

[Tim Pool]

My daughter was. Was fighting my wife for hours because she wanted to eat blueberries. And my wife was like, you've got to finish your chicken before you can have the blueberries. And it was literally hours where they were like she was refusing to eat.

[Ian Crosland]

Playing chicken.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, but that's.

[Tim Pool]

Finally she finished all of her chicken.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's part of being a parent, though, is because that. That's also.

[Tim Pool]

You're gonna eat those burritos. What?

[Jack Posobiec]

Burritos? Are there burritos? What are you talking about? Somebody talking about burritos. Why are we talking about burritos? What's going on?

[Ian Crosland]

It's probably like a tangent that had. Completely unrelated to anything that was going on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, no one. So we. We were trying. I was trying to change the topic a little bit to. For this preset little thing, but now we've got a chicken up here. We've got the ch. You made the chicken.

[Carter]

Chicken cops.

[Tim Pool]

I wonder what it sounds like.

[Jack Posobiec]

Can we hear it? Freeze clipper. Did he call him a clucker?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, That's a racial slur. Wow.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. No, but no, he can say it because. Easy chicken.

[Ian Crosland]

That's True.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, you say crease.

[Ian Crosland]

Freeze.

[Phil Amante]

Clapper.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think he said clapper. That sounds really clever, Klepto.

[Tim Pool]

But look, look, his wing turns into a foot.

[Carter]

Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

I. I want to watch this show. It needs to be real chickens, though.

[Jack Posobiec]

I want to watch this.

[Ian Crosland]

It's coming.

[Carter]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Anyway, also, he has a hand there.

[Carter]

What did.

[Tim Pool]

He does. It's a. It's a bag.

[Jack Posobiec]

Chicken feed. Chicken feet, obviously.

[Tim Pool]

And his mask just doesn't cover anything

[Carter]

like, Beat goes through the bandana.

[Jack Posobiec]

I can wreck it. I know.

[Phil Amante]

Everyone knows you can tell chickens by their beak, so it does no good.

[Carter]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But you were talking about burritos.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, yeah, because. Because. Well, I mean, Tim, you've seen the giant burrito debate. Yeah. Going on all over the place.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

I think I want to say Matt Walsh or Andrew Colvett started it or something, but the Mark Thiessen, who's this big, like, neoconservative AI guy has been. Has been. And they've just been going back and forth all over the place about it. And so what I said was, it was this whole. It was this whole argument about whether or not burritos are too expensive these days. And they were having an argument about, why don't you just make burritos at home? Or shouldn't you be able to just go out and eat burritos? And so, Tim, what we decided to do here tonight was we got burritos for everybody.

[Tim Pool]

We got. We got five burritos. Five burritos.

[Phil Amante]

There we go.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I should probably be ripping open.

[Tim Pool]

And you want to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Tim actually got the burritos. It was an idea, but Tim got the burrito.

[Tim Pool]

Wait. It say free chips and guac on it.

[Jack Posobiec]

It does say. No, no, no.

[Carter]

It's got a coupon for it.

[Jack Posobiec]

If you join their. Whatever.

[Phil Amante]

Give them your information.

[Carter]

We've got.

[Jack Posobiec]

We've got. So hold on. We've got different types of burritos here, so. All right, we've got.

[Ian Crosland]

Talk me through this.

[Jack Posobiec]

We've got white rice, black beans, and we. So we got steak. That's a go to. We've got white rice, black chicken and sour cream.

[Ian Crosland]

Shout out.

[Carter]

And cheese.

[Jack Posobiec]

They may not all have cheese.

[Tim Pool]

They don't all have cheese. I think only two of them do.

[Jack Posobiec]

White rice, pinto beans, chicken and cheese.

[Carter]

Beautiful.

[Tim Pool]

No sour cream, though.

[Jack Posobiec]

We have got. With no sour cream, which I like because I don't like sour cream. This is the same. No sour cream, chicken and cheese. You can drink this pinto beans. And last burrito. Ooh, Burrito with guac White rice, fajitas, black beans, chicken and mild tomato. Tim, that's gotta be you, isn't it?

[Ian Crosland]

It's a king of all burritos.

[Tim Pool]

Right now, I don't eat any of those.

[Jack Posobiec]

You don't eat any of those. All right, so these are the five burritos.

[Tim Pool]

And now, how much, sir, would you be willing to pay? Having read the ingredients, what would you be willing to pay for a burrito? Name your price.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, I don't know. You figure it's about like, you know, these are pretty hefty. These are pretty hefty. I think maybe like. Maybe like 10. 12 bucks, something like that.

[Tim Pool]

You got to pick one number.

[Carter]

12.

[Tim Pool]

13. I'm going to say 13.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, let's go around the room.

[Ian Crosland]

I said, I haven't looked at my first thought, and I thought how ridiculous that was. And then I thought, 12.

[Tim Pool]

All right, these and these. By the way, what did you say? You said 12.

[Jack Posobiec]

I said, so these are. These are not like a little, you know, like, are they double meat question?

[Phil Amante]

I went to Chipotle and had a burrito for lunch, and I know how much that cost me, so I'm going to say 20 bucks.

[Tim Pool]

20 bucks.

[Ian Crosland]

I mean, I will say that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you guys clearly have never watched the prices, right? Because by. By me going $1 over you and you're at 20, that means I have the widest range.

[Jack Posobiec]

And of course, the actual cost, $1 over 20.

[Tim Pool]

Don't you know the price is right? Works the way that you're supposed to get as close you get. Right, right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So when the guy says, I think the motorcycle is 100 bucks, the next I goes 101.

[Phil Amante]

How much did you say yours was?

[Tim Pool]

Meaning he'll always be closer without going over, the other guy just loses.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Phil Amante]

How much did you say yours was?

[Tim Pool]

So he said 12. I said 13. He said 11. He said 20.

[Phil Amante]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Which means if they're between 13 and 20, I win. And I do, actually, not completely. The chicken and cheese with sour cream is 12:35.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, that's cool.

[Tim Pool]

12:35. The steak, just steak, nothing else. White. White rice, black beans and steak is nothing else in it. 15 bucks.

[Ian Crosland]

Geez.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the chicken. The.

[Phil Amante]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The. The chicken with pinto beans. The chicken is 12:35. Yeah, yeah. The. Then we have a chicken with Fajita Veggies is 16 bucks.

[Phil Amante]

I got double. I got double meat on mine today.

[Tim Pool]

Steak was $15.

[Carter]

Yeah, they really.

[Tim Pool]

So I just want people to understand, because we were mentioning this before the show, why they're why communists are winning. And what the right needs to reckon with is that, bro, one could make the argument like, well, maybe Chipotle's too expensive for you, but if you're working at a, you know, fast food job or whatever, and you're making 20 bucks an hour after taxes, you're working for one hour out of the day just for your lunch.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let alone having. If you're making 20, 25 an hour or 30 an hour and you got to feed two kids. Like, I mean, this is, this is, this is. It's, it's, it's, it's wild because this is not the drink. There's no sides. It's just, just the burrito.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just the burrito.

[Tim Pool]

And I gotta be honest, like, let's, let's do the math real quick. How many calories are in one of them bad boys? How many?

[Phil Amante]

Probably 800.

[Jack Posobiec]

Got it. I would say a thousand.

[Phil Amante]

Seven hundred was like, I said mine today. I did the. I did the math and it was a thousand.

[Jack Posobiec]

I would say a thousand.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Because the tortilla, because the meat, the. Well, actually, maybe.

[Jack Posobiec]

Which one do you want?

[Ian Crosland]

The one, the. The final one that you mentioned with all those delicious ingredients. I'm gonna wait till after the show

[Jack Posobiec]

before I get in there.

[Ian Crosland]

Thanks, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Jack calls me up and he's like, tim, did you see the burrito debate? And I was like, yeah, something about. He's like, we should get the burritos. Like, all right, I'll order burritos.

[Carter]

Carter, give mine to Ian.

[Ian Crosland]

I won't eat the glue.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's already got one.

[Ian Crosland]

Give them.

[Tim Pool]

I'll eat it after the show's.

[Carter]

Whatever one nobody else wants.

[Tim Pool]

I'll take 740 and 1200.

[Ian Crosland]

Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

740 to 1200.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it depends.

[Jack Posobiec]

Depends what you.

[Tim Pool]

So chicken and steak, do you want. Do you want chicken, chicken or steak with rice, beans, cheese and sour cream is 1,000 calories. So I was, I was right.

[Ian Crosland]

Chicken, cheese, whenever you had start adding cheese and. And sour cream.

[Carter]

Sour cream.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, you get those numbers way up, man.

[Ian Crosland]

It is. The age of cooking is upon us with Putin. I saw him giving a speech to a bunch of college kids.

[Jack Posobiec]

Cooking with Putin. Yeah, cooking that.

[Ian Crosland]

That'd be a show based reality show. But it was like eight years ago. It was before Biden got into office seven years ago. And they were like, Vladimir, how do we become best men? Best men for our country. They're asking Vladimir and he's like, learn to cook. He tells all these young men, learn to Cook, really? And they laugh at him because they think he's joking.

[Tim Pool]

And then he gives them a death

[Ian Crosland]

stare and they're like, absolutely serious. National security and for your own livelihood.

[Jack Posobiec]

So he literally says, let them cook.

[Ian Crosland]

Learn to cook. He tells, yeah, let him cook. Let him cook. But he was straight up like, yo, bro, we're about to enter a high era of raising. He probably knew the prices were about to blast through the roof. So, like, you can save 60% of your cost if you, if you cook it at home.

[Phil Amante]

Now the thing about, I mean, that's,

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, that is, by the way, that that is good life advice. So this was, this has been the argument, right, that the, you know, the one side of the argument says they're like, hey, that's way too much for a breed. And by the way, Tim, the. So this was door dash. But did you include the delivery cost in that or was that just the base price?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, if we include the full cost, it's about 20, $21 per burrito. So for delivery.

[Jack Posobiec]

So for delivery.

[Ian Crosland]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

So if I was going to get in my car and drive there, I mean, the total cost of gas is going to be like a buck.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now you're gas and time, though.

[Tim Pool]

So if I was going to drive and it's going to take me about a half an hour there and back. Well, actually maybe a little bit longer. It's about 15 minutes there. Then you order and you wait. Unless you order in advance, it's about an hour of my time. That means going to be about $3,296 per burrito.

[Ian Crosland]

That's like a legitimate calculation too, when you're making a lot of money.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, it is a calculation.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, seriously, I.

[Tim Pool]

This is charging my time for burritos.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like so this is a whole, this is a whole other aspect of this that I do think, I do think should have entered into the conversation that if people say, oh, like for the, you know, the, the anti Doordash people, etc. That when you get something delivered, you are literally saving your time. And so if you have the ability or, you know, if you're busy, you're doing something else, there's this. Why people do delivery to begin.

[Tim Pool]

This is why I never tip doordash drivers, because they don't deserve it. Zero.

[Jack Posobiec]

You never tip?

[Tim Pool]

No, I always tip more than. It's, it's, you know, it's really crazy. Like, you know what a doordash delivery driver gets for driving half an hour? They're like $7 oh, yeah. So you want to. What's really crazy?

[Jack Posobiec]

I was going to say, like, I

[Tim Pool]

always tip, like, doordash won't let me tip.

[Ian Crosland]

How come?

[Tim Pool]

Because I try to tip a lot. I tried it, and so I didn't know what was going on. I pulled up doordash, and so about. Maybe about, like, once a month, we do a big order for the company, and we'll get a bunch of, you know, Mexican or Taco Bell or something. Yeah. Just not Mexican. And so I might. I might order, like, 500,000 Taco Bell, which is like three burritos at this point, but I'm kidding. So I'll go to the tip, and I'll be like, this is gonna be, like, five boxes. Five, like, of the party boxes.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you want to do a big tip.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't do a big tip. It won't let you. So what happens is I go in and I'll be like, let's do a 50 tip for this one. And it'll go error, and it won't tell me. Well, just say error, and I'll go, what's going on? And I'll try again. Then I keep changing my. I'll change my payment method. Error. Error. I'm like, I don't. I don't know why I can't order. And then one day, I finally figured it out. I thought maybe it's because the tip's too big. So I reduced the tip down to, like, 20 bucks. Went through.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's super cheap.

[Carter]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

You could just give them cash when they come to, there are.

[Tim Pool]

This may be a surprise to most people because. And I don't mean this as a humble brag, but you don't experience this whenever. And I don't think anybody wants to try it out. But if you're ever at a. A kiosk where they flip the thing and ask for a tip, and it allows you to punch in a custom number, try going 9, 9, 9, 9, 9,. 9, 9, and see what happens, because it'll stop you and it'll drop it all the way down to, like, $17 or something. So this happened. So this. This is what got me thinking about.

[Jack Posobiec]

I've had people. I've had them catch.

[Phil Amante]

Are you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Did you hit too many zeros, you know? Or, like, did you. You know, like. No.

[Ian Crosland]

That's why there must be some mistakes. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, like whenever. Christmas, whenever I go to a restaurant, I usually tip around 100% because there's a few reasons. One, I can. It's nice. The People are very happy and they're happy to see us, and we want to be good to the community, and we want to be good. And, you know, I am blessed, so I shall bless others. And also, you just, you know, you want to. You want to. You want to spread good. You know what I mean? Like, I'll tell you the story. I was in a cabin and, you

[Jack Posobiec]

know, presumably if you're. You're around here, you're gonna go back to the restaurant.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they all know me. They're very happy to see me. But here's the other thing, too, is, like, you get perks, right? So when I walk up to the steakhouse, they say, Mr. Poole, whenever you need a seat, you can sit here. Like, you're very kind to us. And I'm like, ah. You know, it's like. But let me tell you a story. I was in Manhattan, and getting a cab from Manhattan to Brooklyn sucks because they can't pick up fares in Brooklyn. They have the green cabs and the yellow cabs are separate. Green cab is outside of Manhattan, yellow cab is inside Manhattan. I don't know if they still do it this way. This was 10 years ago.

[Jack Posobiec]

I actually didn't know that I would take.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, so. So I'd use the app. Cab would pull up.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, that was the whole medallion thing, right?

[Tim Pool]

And what they. Well, that's different. Like, medallion is good for the, for the city. It's just they, they. They restrict boroughs, okay? So the cabs will pull up and they'll roll their window down a tiny bit. They'll say, where are you going?

[Jack Posobiec]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

And they're not allowed to do this. And then you say, brooklyn. They speed off because if they go to Brooklyn, they can't get a return fare, so they're going to lose an hour in traffic. So I get a car and I get in and sit down and close the door. And he goes, where to, boss? And I said, here's the address. And he went, pissed. Starts driving. He's pissed the whole way. He's muttering to himself. He's furious. He's just talking trash, just under his breath, driving like a dick. So you know what I did? You know what I did for this guy when I paid and it said tip? I taught him a lesson. I tipped 100%. And you know what he did? He turned around, shocked, and said, I'm so sorry. Thank you so much. Blessings to you. Thank you so much. And I said, because I know you can't get a fair on the way back. I wanted to give you a good tip so you can make it back. And he was like, thank you. Thank you so much. And you know. You know why I did that.

[Jack Posobiec]

You could have just told him that, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

Told him what?

[Jack Posobiec]

That you were gonna do that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I didn't think about it until, like, yeah, yeah, I was mad, but I'm not gonna be like, hey, buddy, don't be mad at me. I'm giving you a tip. I always tell the Uber drivers now when we do big fairs between, like, West Virginia, D.C. i'm like, hey, buddy, I got you for your way back. Just don't worry about us.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Yeah. Because I'll do stuff like that where,

[Tim Pool]

like, here's the thing.

[Jack Posobiec]

Or if I'm asking you something different, like, hey, man, I've got, like, this is what's going to happen at the end.

[Tim Pool]

Just here's what would happen if that guy stayed pissed off. He'd get back to Manhattan, he'd pick somebody up, and he'd be pissed. And that anger is going to pass off onto this. This guy who gets in. So, guy gets off work, he's tired. He. He wants to go home. He gets in a cab. This cab driver's driving like a dick. He's pissed. Now the guy's like, my God, my head hurts. He gets home, he walks into his house, and his wife is like, did you file the taxes for last year? He goes, oh, my God, I just got off work. The cab driver's been into. But here's what happens now. The cab driver is happier than a pig in ish. He drives up, he picks up this tired business guy, and he's got a smile on his face, and he says, hey, man, things are gonna be okay. And the guy says, you know, maybe they are gonna be okay. Then he gets home, and his wife sees you. Fine. He goes, honey, that's my bad. I'll take care of it. And there's. You break that anger down.

[Phil Amante]

Pain.

[Tim Pool]

Not always. Not always perfect. Sometimes bad people, you don't want to give money because they're bad people.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is the plot of It's a Wonderful Life, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

There you go.

[Carter]

There you go.

[Jack Posobiec]

Of course, he does almost kill himself.

[Tim Pool]

But let me go back to this.

[Jack Posobiec]

He does almost kill himself.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This is big. This is big. So this happened to me. This was like a year ago when I first noticed this. I was handed the tablet for a tip, and I was like, I'm gonna leave a big tip, right? Let's make a splash. And when I did, I Put a thousand dollars. The number immediately dropped down to like 200 and something. And it said, tip amount exceeds limit. And then I was like, it's not letting me put the number in. And it was at a restaurant. The waitress was like, what are you trying to put? I was trying to give you a thousand dollars. And she's like, oh, wow. Think. I'm like, it won't let me. I was like, I'm sorry, I can only give you. It's. The bill was like 100 something and it only allowed me to tip like 200. And she was like, well, I'm happy either way. And I'm like, yeah, that's messed up though. And I guess it's because they're concerned people would accidentally put in too much money. And so then I've tried another kiosks, I'll just go 9, 9, 9, 9, 9. And then it drops it way down. And after that happened, that's when I realized why doordash wasn't working for me. I stopped using DoorDash because I was like, it keeps giving me errors. I can't buy anything. I didn't know why. So then I went in, I changed the tip down lower and it worked. And I was just like, how insane is it that they don't let you leave good tips?

[Ian Crosland]

And this is why cash is king. This is why digital currency will never fly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why they want digital. And that's why I want to lock it all down. Because they want to. Listen, people need to understand this. The IRS does not want you giving your money away. People don't understand this. I have to explain it all the time. Working class people, these like, wait, wait,

[Jack Posobiec]

no tax on tips.

[Tim Pool]

No tax on tips. People don't understand this. Not working with large sums of money as a business with, you know, input, output, ingestion, etc. Accounts receivable, that when we hire somebody, we have to write down a paragraph describing what their job is. And we have to have proof they've done that job because we've been audited. And they say you have a person prove it. And we have to show the body of work, here's the video he made. And they go, okay, okay, we get it. We got audited. They claimed that Elad Eliyahu, who lives in New York City, who sells us footage via invoice, they claimed he was a full time employee. And we were like, this is not true. He's a guy we buy, we don't care. And not. And they made us pay some Ridiculous amount of money. And then we go to our lawyers first and we were like, this is insane. They're trying to make us pay. They're claiming that the entire time we've had a lot here we. We owe employment tax on. Everything has been paid, even though it's an invoice purchasing things from him. And this is the new. This is the Uber laws they passed where they basically said you can't contract anymore.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yep. So this is for the city of New York.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. This is West Virginia. Every state passed Uber laws. They're called Uber laws where you cannot hire contractors anymore. If you want to hire a contractor, it's insane. They can't be related to your company. So the idea is this. If Elad films a video and then we say we want to buy that video from you can't do it because we're a media company that produces videos. We can only employ him full time. Was it W. W9 or whatever?

[Jack Posobiec]

W2.

[Tim Pool]

I think the tax form before is. Is like W2 is. Maybe you're right.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't know. I think W9. W2. No, 990 is the other one.

[Ian Crosland]

I9.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, maybe.

[Jack Posobiec]

Or 1099.

[Tim Pool]

1099. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, they claimed that everyone we contracted was actually an employee because they work. They did. Was related to the business that we do. And they said contracting would be like if your media company needs a plumber. So you don't want to hire a full time plumber.

[Phil Amante]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Yep. I've never heard 60,000. We had to pay $60,000 because we went to our lawyers and they said, after legal fees and going to court challenging this, you're going to end up risking an additional 30, 40K on top. You got to pay the 60K. And we were like, this is insane. And it's Uber laws. It's what they're called. So the Uber laws got passed because of. Because of Uber Doordash and these companies. It started with California. They said Uber is hiring people as staff while claiming their contractors. Uber said, we're a social networking app. We connect drivers and passengers. And they said, no, you're a taxi service that has employees. And so they pass these laws saying, here's how contracting must be defined from now on. And although there's exemptions and we qualify for all of them, it doesn't matter because they're here to take your money from you.

[Carter]

And they're going.

[Jack Posobiec]

And like, I get it. Like, I get that argument for gig apps. I do actually get the argument that they're making. But it sounds like just like every time that the government's taking way more than they should have.

[Tim Pool]

Why wouldn't they.

[Phil Amante]

And then give it to Somali fraudsters.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and then, and then. Yeah, because like. And you're. But even, but even on the front end too, right? How many fraudsters are using like you go to dc, you go to Philly, you go to any of the big cities that. How do you know? Like, are you actually checking that the person that it says in your app is the one who's picking you up or you just check in the car?

[Ian Crosland]

I say his name and the. Like I look at the likes of it, then I say the guy's name.

[Jack Posobiec]

But they do this all the time. They do this all the time where one guy will have the account and then. And then get somebody else to run the car so they could do it 24 7.

[Tim Pool]

We had this problem with DoorDash so we started doing ID checks and they got mad because it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, they don't like when you ID check.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we had. What pissed me off is that after like the sixth time because we have security, right? We have armed security. We have, we have, we have a gate. You can't just get in the property. So they popped to the gate and then.

[Jack Posobiec]

Security.

[Ian Crosland]

Very well.

[Jack Posobiec]

Armed security.

[Tim Pool]

Understatement. Yes, we've had some. We've recently upped our security. I'm not going to explain exactly how

[Jack Posobiec]

but sometimes when I have like a. Someone who's never driven here before, I try to like I have to like. I explained it to them before they arrive and I, I always think they think that I'm joking. And then they actually get here and they're like, wow, he wasn't joking.

[Phil Amante]

I saw the new security today and it surprised

[Jack Posobiec]

very, very.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I'll just tell. It's a. It's an auto defense.50 cal turret mounted on top of two of the. There's two of them and they just, they're just slowly going back and forth with lasers and. I'm kidding.

[Phil Amante]

And it doesn't have any triggers on the back. It's all remotely operated. I couldn't get them to work.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's just kidding. You can't see them. They're camouflaged.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They look like solid cell towers.

[Jack Posobiec]

They look like data centers.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. What were we just talking about before we changed the subjecting drivers?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, the big question here, the big argument, and we haven't even had the debate yet because we talk about tipping, which is very good point. But you know, the Real question, I think, too is, you know, so it's this debate on, you know, should you just suck it up and eat the expensive burrito or, you know, or should you suck it up and be forced to eat at home like you should, should you settle for less? Or, you know, this, this third option of, like, actually making things better for people. And ultimately, this is what the socialists are, are offering. They're coming out and saying, we will make your life better. We will screw over those companies that are doing all of those things. We, we, you know, they're going to lie to you and say that all the prices are the fault of the companies and the companies are evil. They're not going to bring up any of the government things that we've been discussing, not to mention the Federal Reserve or whatever else you want to talk about. You know, endless wars, different things going on that, that drive inflation. But the point being is, is if you're sitting there and just telling voters in an election year that you need to settle for less, you're going to lose. Yes, you're going to be electorally slaughtered at the ballot box, and you probably should deserve to lose as well. And this is why it's one of the things we talk about in the book, and it's that socialists always use a grievance that is real sometimes. I mean, a lot of time they make up the, you know, grievance as well. But here's my point. They use real grievances and then come up with solutions that sound like they're palatable and sound like they're popular. And this is why they run. Vladimir Lenin, when he was with the Bolsheviks, right? He didn't run on the Red Terror. He ran on. When I say ran. Built the movement. He built the movement by saying peace, land, bread. Yeah, by saying, we're going to end the disastrous foreign war that's unpopular. We are going to offer land reform, which might be like rent reform or housing reform, you might say today. And bread, literally free food, almost like free grocery stores. Where are you guys hearing all those things today? That's literally the same thing you're hearing from the socialists. Well, right now.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you take a look too, at the Momdani grocery stores. And here's a chain of events we described in the past couple of weeks. You need IDs to buy.

[Jack Posobiec]

So good, isn't it?

[Tim Pool]

Now, hold on. Why would you need an id? The question was asked, what if people buy and then resell? Well, you'll need a library card as thing to buy. Here, hold on how would having a library card stop you from buying and reselling?

[Jack Posobiec]

It wouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so what would they have to implement along with your ID to stop from buying and reselling?

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe rations.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And now you're in a food line where you need your id and they say only one gallon of milk per week.

[Jack Posobiec]

Almost. So. So tiny Tay. Almost. Um, so my wife, who was born in the Soviet Union, she has memories of food stamps, and she actually said that we used to play with food stamps. Like, it was like, like, you know, like, like we would have, you know, trading cards, Pokemon cards.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think you can buy the old booklets.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, you can buy them. And she said we would play with food stamps and we would sort of play around with them, and then of course, like, get in a lot of trouble when we. If we, like, we lost one or something. But she 100% has memories of food stamps and bread lines in the Soviet Union.

[Ian Crosland]

I saw Trump. Well, I just saw like, a poly market story that said that Trump asked the oil companies to lower their prices. I don't know how true that was,

[Tim Pool]

but I was like, geez, that's like, sounds fake market.

[Jack Posobiec]

He did say that. He said that in the Oval Office. No, I mean, I mean, it was a comment that he made. It was a comment that he made. I don't know, that the government had.

[Ian Crosland]

He didn't actually legislate.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, he did say.

[Ian Crosland]

But that's like when the president starts asking companies to change their prices, you're like, oh, that sounds like we're heading towards price fixing, actually. State planning.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I actually think that because you'll see this. And I get that, that there's. That there's tails on this. I actually think that is probably more the individual gas station owners keeping the prices high because you'll. You'll see how cutthroat it is when you. If you live in an area that's got gas stations that are. And a lot of them are franchise, but you know, that are nearby because you'll see some that are, like, very responsive to the price of. And it's just my personal opinion, I could be totally wrong on this, but you're seeing that some are very responsive to oil futures and then some that are, like, not responsive at all and keeping their price high, you know, and by the way, for different reasons. And of course, you know, that is part of a free market system. Like, I'm not, I'm not saying it's not, but, you know, someone might say, like, oh, well, I'm the one that's closest to the highway. So I'm going to stay higher because I know people are going to come in. They don't want to drive out into town. So I'm just going to keep mine higher. Anyway, that's not, that's not like the CEO of Exxon saying that or whatever.

[Ian Crosland]

You brought up the Communist. The Soviet Communist revolution.

[Jack Posobiec]

I do bring that. Them up on a lot of occasions. I have a book, actually, you could see it.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh yeah, that's on humans.

[Jack Posobiec]

It is on humans. This, in fact, it's called the Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them.

[Ian Crosland]

They basically, exactly like you said, they pointed out the problems. They issued vague solutions, I guess, like

[Jack Posobiec]

we're going to get everyone not just vague, but popular solutions.

[Ian Crosland]

And then what happened? What went wrong?

[Jack Posobiec]

They killed everyone.

[Ian Crosland]

Like what, they got into power and then did they just immediately start killing people?

[Phil Amante]

Well, they killed it.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, we can't do what we promised.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, the killing started a lot before they came into power, but went to power.

[Ian Crosland]

That's true.

[Jack Posobiec]

They certainly did.

[Phil Amante]

There was a war, there was a

[Jack Posobiec]

civil war, there's a war. But, you know, they did come out on top. And what. I guess the easiest way to say it is that none of their solutions made any sense. They all fell apart for a variety of different reasons because they were crazy and a bunch of thugs and criminals. But the problem was because the people, the people who should have known better. And you see this in, in socialist revolution. After socialist revolution, the people who should have done better and fought back didn't. And the reason they didn't was because they, they said, oh, those guys are crazy. They'll never take power. Oh, you know, people will see through the stupidity of their actions and we won't work. Charlie Kirk asked me once. He said, he said, how big were. Was the, you know, was. Was the Bolshevik Party. How many people arrested? Like at one point it was really only like a thousand people. He said, and how big was, you know, how, you know, how many people were in Russia? I'm like, well, it's the whole Russian empire, right? You know, then how did so few take over so many? I said, because they didn't take it seriously. Because they didn't take seriously what happens when you have a tiny minority of people? And before we hit that, could I, could I say, I did want to soft announce. Soft announce. Not a big announce, but a soft announce because all of the socialists are currently in the middle of a revolution right now. We are doing so soft announcing this a Second edition of On Humans.

[Tim Pool]

Ah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so it's going to be Unhumans Socialist Revolution. And it's gonna. So it's. It's the original book, but then we're gonna have at least 10 new chapters, all new information about the things that have gone on, the things that have happened since the original book came out, and of course, the tactics to help you survive the communist uprising.

[Ian Crosland]

Do you think that there's a misnomer between socialism and communism floating? Because I don't like using the terms interchangeably, I hope. And maybe we need to know exactly what it is so we know exactly

[Carter]

one leads to the other one, essentially.

[Jack Posobiec]

So. So keep in mind that. That one of our. One of the theses. Theses or the thesis, I guess you could say, of our original book is that these are not ideologies, these are tactics. And so our thesis is that they don't actually want. At some level, they don't actually want the equality or the freedom that they claim, or they don't want everyone to actually have harmony and justice. What they want is to crush you. Because they hate you. Yeah, because they're resentful of you, envious of you.

[Ian Crosland]

The Soviet Communist Party didn't want communism. They wanted what they got, which was vanguardism, a small group taking power. And the same with the ccp. They said communism, they led people towards everyone, owns everything. And then a small group took over again.

[Tim Pool]

Because communism is impossible. It's like saying, we want unicornism.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's a sales tactic. It's just a sales tactic.

[Ian Crosland]

And socialism, you can also. Because socialism is functional.

[Phil Amante]

Socialism is the. Is the means to achieve communism. They're not different. The argument before, they're not.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. Communism is not possible. It is functionally impossible. Socialism is the economic system that communists employ. Communism is. Is vanguardism. Okay, so if I said, ian, we're going to have unicornism, where we'll be led by unicorns and fairies, you'd be like, that's impossible. Correct. The idea that there is no leadership, that every human just exists flatly and equally. That's impossible. Because the guy who spends all day fixing electric, like, you know, electrical systems is not going to tell you about what's happening on the southern border. So he doesn't know. So you can't have equality because people do different jobs. And then you will need some kind of centralized nucleus of varying strength. So these people say the means of production should be owned by everybody. Everybody should be equal and get equal access to everything. Okay, how do you administer resources between large groups? Of people who do different jobs. There's going to be a central. There's going to be a nucleus there. That nucleus will de facto be in charge no matter what. So communism is a fairy tale. Socialism is everything. So when they're like, we're not communists, we're socialists, what they're saying is we're going to build exactly what the communists have always built.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, the ussr, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. So they refer to themselves as socialist republics. But of course, everyone would say the USSR is communist.

[Tim Pool]

Right, let's.

[Jack Posobiec]

So when you say it's interchangeable is because it kind of is. Right. It is a tactic which they claim for them, communism means the utopia and that we will eventually get to in Chinese. Gong Chan Zhu yi is. Is. It actually means. Phil, you'd appreciate this. It actually means public property ism. So the abolishment of all private property is literally how they use. They say the word communist. Communism in Chinese.

[Tim Pool]

I want to pull up the story from the BBC. A Japanese town wrestles with identity after protests over its first mosque. Jack was just mentioning how it took only about a thousand Bolsheviks to turn a nation of 40 million into a communist hell pit. And we've got this story from the BBC, which I find absolutely fascinating. I saw these videos. Japanese people protesting the construction of a mosque. They say today it's a field of grass, but soon it'll be the site of the first mosque in this Japanese town. It makes me worry about how our community might change, says longtime resident Noriko Izumizawa. Plans to build an Islamic religious site in Fujisawa, a laid back seaside town about an hour's drive south of Tokyo have sparked a wide range of emotions. There's anger, fear, as well as hope and acceptance. Exposing the growing anxieties over immigration and social change as Japan grapples with a labor shortage and a shrinking and aging population. Guys, this is crazy. Japan. Of all places, allowing a mosque.

[Phil Amante]

Japan for the Japanese.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. Taking everything over.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you have. Do you have. Can we show the response to the people? Do we have images, video?

[Tim Pool]

We do have video. Let me see if I can pull one up. One of them that I had pulled up was. Was blocked for being graphic.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let me find that one. Wow, that's the one I want.

[Tim Pool]

I can't. I can't play it.

[Jack Posobiec]

And. Oh, I mean, if it's that graphic, but, but, you know, it's. It.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, we got dramatic music alongside it.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, this is good. Jee. They're protesting the first mosque.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy. Larger than the nearby Shinto shrine.

[Ian Crosland]

Shintoism.

[Carter]

That's the.

[Tim Pool]

Now, why would the Japanese government be allowing this to happen? Are they conquered?

[Phil Amante]

Because.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, I gotta stop. I gotta stop. I'm sorry, I shouldn't say things like this. I was listening to Tucker Carlson. He said Islam's actually fine. Actually.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I was gonna say, to be. To be directly clear, Japan was conquered by.

[Tim Pool]

By Christians.

[Jack Posobiec]

By the United States. Yeah. I mean, militarily, by Christians. It was a largely Christian empire that did.

[Tim Pool]

So the time of the conquering of Japan, the United states was like 95% Christian.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sure. But you could, you could also argue that it wasn't necessarily the most Christian act to drop the atomic bomb. Sure.

[Tim Pool]

And we didn't. No, no. But that we didn't build churches and actually probably did not really.

[Jack Posobiec]

And more South Korea, more southern Japan. And. And also, let's. To be clear that Japan, what. Japan surrender, also came as they were being threatened by invasion of the Soviet Union at the same time, which everybody leaves out because the Soviets from the West. Well, and they had taken Manchuria, which was the industrial base.

[Ian Crosland]

Soviets.

[Jack Posobiec]

So. And then after. And then after Japan, also in the book, by the way, after Japan surrendered, rather than fight, the Red army gave all the weapons to Chairman Mao. So that's where we get this.

[Tim Pool]

There's been ongoing protests in Fujisawa for a long time, actually.

[Jack Posobiec]

Good for them.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Keep it up, boys. Keep it up. Yeah, don't lose your country. Don't lose.

[Ian Crosland]

Like, what is it? Freedom of religion is important, but.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's not.

[Phil Amante]

No, no, no, no.

[Ian Crosland]

It's an important part of liberalism.

[Jack Posobiec]

So it's because they want the migrants. That's why the government's doing this, because Japan has been allowing migrants in as cheap labor. They've been doing it for quite some time. You see migrants from, like the Indian subcontinent, you see it from South Asia, you see it from the Middle East. And in order to make the cheap workers happy, if they want a mosque,

[Phil Amante]

they can have a mosque in liberalism. Liberalism is a closed system. It doesn't work if you have authoritarian. An authoritarian party that's infiltrated your system. Right. Because the only way to. To get rid of an authoritarian party is with authoritarianism. You can't. Like authoritarians, don't let you vote them out. Communists or socialists, when they take control, they're never, almost never voted out. Right. They just consolidate power, change the rules, so that way they always win. And you hear the, The Democrats, the dsa, in, in the United States saying that they want to do those things. They want to abolish the Senate. They want to get rid of the presidency. They want to do things that would consolidate their power, that would make sure that it would be only people that are DS could win.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, and, and they're upset, but because, by the way, they're obsessed with taking power. Yes, obsessed. They think about it all day long. It's the only thing they don't think about. You were talking about, you know, food distribution systems and all this. They don't think about that. They think, how can I control everything? Yeah. They wake up every day and they say, how can I control everything? This is why, for example, I bring this up at a small, as a small point. But to make a point, you can go to any library in the United States of America. And, and I'll guarantee you what is on the very front table when you walk into that library. And you guys all know what I'm going to say. You're going to see, like, anti racist baby. You're going to see some BLM stuff, you're going to see some feminist stuff. You're going to see some trans stuff. And it's on every library. Why? Why is that in every library? Because you look at the library and you think, ah, that's a place to get books. The communist in your town looks at the library and says, that's a place that I can take over and exert power.

[Phil Amante]

And communists are completely fine with destroying the thing if they can't control it, Right? Like, they're completely fine destroying the thing. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look at Los Angeles.

[Phil Amante]

I mean, that's, that's what ends up happening in the long run. But generally they want to control something, and if they can't achieve control of it, they'll do everything they can to destroy it.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Phil Amante]

You look at what they did to like the Boy Scouts with the whole, like, you know, you have to let everyone in. You have to let girls in. Boy Scouts are basically done now. They, they do that with every institution. And part of the reason they do that is because institutions are what make a culture. They, they, they're what hold a culture together. That's part of the reason why you see so many weird things going on in a lot of the, like, a lot of the Protestant churches. Right. Like the trans stuff is we're welcoming everybody. The, the LGBT stuff, they infiltrate. They wear it like a skin suit. It's not really the core of whatever the institution was is gone. They're wearing it like a skin suit. So they'll wear the, the whatever, the whatever the church would wear, but all the important things about the church have been, have been taken out.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, Hollywood is a great example of this too. When they were wokeifying, you know, franchises and, you know, they constantly Lord of the Rings, you know, or whatever franchise. We could Star wars, right? You could think of a million things. Why do they do that? They want to destroy it. They love that they've destroyed something that was like this beloved cultural institution.

[Ian Crosland]

When the Soviets took over the Soviet Union, the Bolsheviks, they destroyed the institution of the monarchy, the empire. They did. So that was like a negative.

[Jack Posobiec]

And quite literally most people were like,

[Ian Crosland]

not only the empire that was bad.

[Jack Posobiec]

Actually, actually, if you want to get really, if you want to get really technical, the Czar abdicated. So Czar Nicholas actually he tried to compromise with them and he said, well, surely if I just abdicate then, and I show you that I'm willing to work with you, I'm going to abdicate and I won't be the Czar anymore. And we'll have, you know, all this, this democracy stuff and, and you'll be fine. What do they do?

[Phil Amante]

They shot his kids in the basement.

[Jack Posobiec]

They took him and his children out to the woods, they stuck him in a basement, they put him against the wall and they shot them until they were all dead.

[Ian Crosland]

It was children, the, the whole family.

[Tim Pool]

They couldn't risk someone, any kind of lineage emerging later on claiming a right.

[Ian Crosland]

They kept him on house arrest for a while and then somebody had a decision. They're like, you know what? It's just too risky. Take them out.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, apparently they were like, we're sorry, but we have to kill you because future your kids might try claiming it

[Jack Posobiec]

was, it was also, it's also. And as depicted in the, in the, in the famous book on humans that during the Civil War, the, you know, the, the liberation of the royal family became like a huge goal for the, the White army, which was the Russian, you know, sort of the remnant of the Russian army, the Russian Imperial Army. So they kept trying to liberate them. That's why they brought them so far out into Yekaterinburg, out in like, you know, towards Siberia basically, and, and so that no one will ever, ever be able to get them out here. But then there was still, you know, a worry that, you know, that spies from the White army might be able to find them. And Pyotr Rangel was White Army. And so that's what kind of led, among other things, what should they have done led to the killing? What should Who.

[Tim Pool]

What should the. The Czar Nicholas have done when the Bolsheviks began to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Should have arrested them all.

[Tim Pool]

And then done what?

[Jack Posobiec]

He should have arrested them all. If any of them had committed specific crimes like murder, they should have been. Clearly should have been hung. If they were people who were fomenting a civil war like that were committing treason, then obviously, yeah, you have.

[Ian Crosland]

You.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is why I've said, and people ask me about this at the Tyler Robinson hearing. They said, believe you should get the death penalty. I said, assassins should always receive the death penalty in any system. Because an assassin, or in this case, we're talking about treason. You are someone who is waging war against the system itself. You're waging war against your own nation, and you are trying to destroy your own nation. And in doing so, you are waging war against the very. I use the Hobbesian form of state of war here, where you are waging war against the very underpinnings of that nation. And as such, to Phil's point, you can't have that element in your society, so you have to lock it up. You have to stamp it out. You have to smash the institutions. And in extreme situations, that's where capital punishment would be applicable.

[Ian Crosland]

You might call them agents of chaos. It used to be that there was no good and evil way back in human perception. It was only order and chaos. And then once we establish order, we were able to figure out, hey, there's another way of being. There's good and evil that can exist within order. But when there's no order, bro, people eat each other and kill.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is, you know, this is

[Jack Posobiec]

the code of Hammurabi.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it's very fascinating.

[Jack Posobiec]

We also talk about in the book,

[Tim Pool]

during Aegis revolution, Mubarak refused, and I believe they ultimately arrested him. Right. And Morsi as well.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, yeah, this was the. The Muslim Brotherhood uprising.

[Phil Amante]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so at the time, I was like, why won't these North African leaders just abdicate? Just say, if the people want this democracy, then we will step back, keep one hand in the steering wheel. The funny thing is that's what Tsar Nicholas tried doing, right? He tried. He said, okay, I understand, I'll abdicate. Then they massacred him and his family.

[Jack Posobiec]

And there's actually a really, really, really sad part to that as well, because so people remember the royal families of Europe at that time were very well interconnected. And this immediately post World War I. And so his. His first cousin was actually the king of England, was King George. And he wrote to his cousin and said, please offer asylum to me and my family. And you know, we, we don't know what's going to happen. The instability is getting too, you know, it's, it's, it's becoming too much. We need safe passage. Please give us a letter of safe passage to England and he wouldn't do it.

[Ian Crosland]

The reason I brought up the Soviet Union is because like you were saying, one of the things about communists is that they'll just try to destroy whatever the, you know, the, the establishment is of that time to create. You're not saying this. I'm saying this to create chaos in order to then use that chaos to propel their movement.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that's, that's what, that's what we say.

[Ian Crosland]

So you might argue that the, the Russian royal family was a shitty establishment and it was like you could say why. Then you might argue the Chinese why,

[Phil Amante]

why, why do, why do you say

[Ian Crosland]

it was imperial monarchy?

[Phil Amante]

So you're just saying, you're just saying

[Ian Crosland]

that he's a piss poor leader. He doesn't.

[Jack Posobiec]

But what Ian, what you're saying though is exactly what I was pointing out is that I'm not saying the grievances weren't genuine. Right?

[Ian Crosland]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

So people were upset about, I said they were upset about the foreign war. They're upset about the price of food, they're upset about their housing costs. The price of housing. And, and so in response they murdered the ruler and his whole family.

[Ian Crosland]

So the Chinese then 40 years later, we're looking at 1946. Whenever the Chinese after World War II,

[Jack Posobiec]

it's basically like the, it started in the 20s.

[Ian Crosland]

China's like an American puppet at this point or like a liberal puppet with the Republic of China. There's a, over an uprising in China that we have the Chinese revolution with Mao. They argue that establishment is imperial. Western establishment, they're trying to take us over probably, is what their argument was. I don't know. But now with the modern day. Yes, absolutely, the modern day Communist, what's their argument? Corporatocracy's ineffective. We need a, a state run like what, what, how can they, how can they pin this establishment is as bad as those words?

[Phil Amante]

Well, they don't matter how bad it is.

[Jack Posobiec]

They talk about the foreign war, they talk about the cost of living and they cost, they talk about the cost of housing.

[Phil Amante]

There's just economy like life today in the United States is just orders of magnitude better than it for even the poorest, than it was for the poorest Russians before the Russian Revolution, like just the Amount of, of abundance that we have here in the United States even now for people that are struggling, right. They all, they have cell phones. Nobody's actually going hungry. Yes, it's harder to make it, make ends meet now than it was 10 years ago. But when you compare the standard of living that the, that the poorest Americans have compared to peasant farmers before the Russian Revolution, like, it's not even worth mentioning.

[Carter]

However.

[Phil Amante]

So the point. But the point that I'm making is it doesn't matter about people's actual material conditions, which is one of the things that communists love to talk about. They, like Marx always talked about the material conditions. The material conditions are actually irrelevant. What these things are motivated by. What these movements are motivated by is resentment and hate for, first of all, people that have more than they do. Not that they don't have enough. It's how much people, how much more people have than them. And a hatred of reality. You hear these people talk all the time. I didn't ask to be born. I shouldn't have to work to survive.

[Ian Crosland]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Phil Amante]

That is contrary to reality. Like, every single organism on Earth has to struggle to survive. And it is, it is easier for human beings, particularly in the United States, to survive than for any other organism in all of Earth's history. So the argument that, oh, well, you know, we're just trying to get what we need to survive, that's a lie. It's about wanting the people that are at the top, the people that are actually running. It's about wanting power. And what they're doing is they're telling the people below them, basically, the proletariat, they're telling them, I have the solution for what ails you. But it, none of it's true. It doesn't reflect reality.

[Jack Posobiec]

And what it, what it actually does is it takes what. In what, what Catholics would refer to as one of the seven deadly sins. The sin of envy.

[Phil Amante]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

And it, it turns envy into a political system and a moral justification for envy. And in fact, the, the second person ever, or I should say the. I guess the first person ever born, Right. The first person ever born on the planet was Cain. Right. Cain and Abel.

[Phil Amante]

And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And yet Cain was envious of Abel.

[Phil Amante]

He was.

[Jack Posobiec]

And in fact, he was so envious because Abel had favor that he murdered his own brother. So he was the first person who was ever born on the planet. Now, also, as a Catholic, I would point out that he was the first person born with original sin after, after the fall of the garden, but he murdered his brother out of envy. In fact, one of the original titles that I had for the book was Children of Cain.

[Ian Crosland]

The. The envy is like the. It comes from the lack of appreciation for what you have essentially. And then you.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the hyper obsession with that which another has.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah. You start to want other things because you're not happy with what you've got.

[Jack Posobiec]

Whereas not just. And not just one, but also resentment of that person to the point where you would be willing to kill them to try to take what they have or at least prevent them from.

[Ian Crosland]

Regarding. I mean I'm all about steel manning the opposition here regarding what you're saying. If the argument against the comments. But I. We need to. It's a foreign wars, the cost of living, the cost of food. Like how are they wrong?

[Jack Posobiec]

But well. And so this is actually kind of what I wanted to say as well is that you. In order to defeat a socialist revolution, you can't deny that the reality is what it is. So you can't. We just did the burrito test, right. And the breed. Like I'm going to tell you that. That, that's. That's too much. It's too much. Feels like it's too much.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'm just. I'm just reading the. About the execution. The. And then Nicholas. Yeah. When they said to him, you are to be executed. The Soviet workers have demanded it. He went what. What. What are you saying? Like what an idiot.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, he was cheap dude. He went out to try to lead the soldiers because they were losing the front and he was a terrible military.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's why.

[Tim Pool]

And so oblivious and so stupid.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well actually, actually interesting enough that's. You familiar with Rasputin, right? Yeah, we all know about.

[Tim Pool]

He hired Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen.

[Jack Posobiec]

Allegedly. Allegedly. But she was also known to be devalued, devoutly Christian. So you know, lover of many. But the fact that was he not actually with the Queen? We'll see. Like that was one of the rumors spread against him. But actually Rasputin was anti war and he said we can't do this war. We have to be against this. This is going to destroy the empire. This destroy everything you have. But of course Czar Nicholas was saying, well what about the honor of Russia, right? And this of course like, like Archduke Franz Ferdinand has been assassinated by a bit of Serbian nationalist. And so the Habsburgs and Austria Hungary are declaring war on Serbia. And Serbia of course was allied with Russia. So Russia's like, well, you know, we're not going to defend our ally we're not going to go to war, etc. You know, and so Rasputin is, is arguing against this. The, the, the Tsarina was also arguing against this. And so it was actually conservative army officers in the Russian military who murder Rasputin. Oh, because, because he was anti war.

[Ian Crosland]

They stabbed him like 50 times, he wouldn't die and threw him, trying to

[Jack Posobiec]

kill him and threw him in the river. And so, okay, and so there's this whole interesting anti. So everyone knows about Rasputin but they don't actually know why he was killed. Right. Because it's, because it was anti war. And they, they were kept warning the Tsar. He kept warning the Tsar and you know, I'm not going to comment on his proclivities, but you know, you can't say he was wrong about what would happen. And that's exactly what happened. And so you, you, you look at these things and you know, I look at the popularity of the Iran war, which is obviously extremely unpopular. You look at the cost of living, which is now the number one issue in the United States in this election, and you look at the fact that we live in a K shaped economy. You guys know K shaped economy? No, that phrase. So the idea of K shaped economy, it took me a second to understand it because it's like not necessarily intuitive.

[Tim Pool]

Is that like Communist China?

[Jack Posobiec]

It's like China today. But it's this idea that from a certain point in time when you're looking at a graph, and I'll do it this way for the camera, that one, one line goes up while another line goes down. So it creates a K. And the phrase used for this is K shaped economy.

[Ian Crosland]

We're just looking at a graph.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so, yeah, so since 2008, the argument is that we have had a K shaped economy since, since the financial crisis, that if you're under the median income level that you're, you've never really recovered to beyond to before 2008 levels. The quantitative easing though has been amazing. So the, the Fed printing money has been phenomenal for the Kevin o' Leary's of the world and the people who are sort of the Wall street class and for everybody else that you've just been kind of screwed and you've been living in a silent recession type conditions since 2008 and the situation isn't getting better. And President Trump obviously has been fighting to make it better. But there's a lot of people who think that the relief that was promised in 2004, the relief from the, from the biden regime. The relief from COVID and everything that was enacted during then has not yet come. And that is producing a lot of anger. And that is why people are turning towards the socialist candidates. Because they're saying, hey, we tried this guy and we feel like it didn't work. And now we're going to go to the other extreme.

[Ian Crosland]

You know, the only.

[Jack Posobiec]

Not because they're. And by the way, not because they're necessarily pro socialism, because they're. It's because they're anti establishment.

[Ian Crosland]

That's why they're. You mean the communists in general?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I'm talking about voters right now.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh yeah, yeah. They're pissed off at whatever's been happening with.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so, so, so they're not. So if I sit there and talk about how crazy, you know, Abdul El Sayed is and point out that, you know, he obviously hates white people, he's for the abolishment of ice, he's for defunding the police. He wants to flood this country with infinity migrants from the Middle east just, he looks at Spain and says that's a blueprint. Right. He gets good ideas. And you know, this is a guy who clearly wants that, but he hasn't. He doesn't use that in his rhetoric. When he gets up and speaks, he talks about what he's about. Talking land bread.

[Ian Crosland]

Okay. The only solution I can see is reducing cost is because I don't think we can create enough outgoing product to make our economy better. But if we can reduce the cost of fuel and we start using hydrogen

[Jack Posobiec]

or the problem is raise wages.

[Ian Crosland]

But if we go off.

[Phil Amante]

Don't have the infrastructure.

[Ian Crosland]

We go off. Exactly. First we don't have the infrastructure. And if we go off petroleum, we no longer control the world by the nuts. Like the military industrial complex runs the world on oil.

[Phil Amante]

Talking about a decades long plan like you're fixed.

[Ian Crosland]

But even that, it's. I don't, I can't square the circle because if we go off petroleum, we lose the global hegemony.

[Phil Amante]

It seems to be okay, so we don't need to go off petroleum totally. But the idea of going to hydrogen like you have. We do not have any infrastructure.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, the methane, we can run through the methane channels to the gas stations.

[Phil Amante]

That's still, that's still a decade or more. At least a decade or more work. By then the socialists will have won.

[Jack Posobiec]

We need a.

[Phil Amante]

We name need a much faster solution than changing all of our infrastructure for power. To be honest with you, it's. It's more reasonable to Say, well, we're going to switch over to solar and electric cars because at the very least we have the foundation of a, of an infrastructure with, with all the Tesla stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I wanted to throw something at Tim actually on this because this isn't the first time. So typically this happens when you have great, you have periods of great income inequality. And the first time this happened in the United States was the Industrial Revolution. Now it's happening again in sort of like the tech revolution, if you want to call it that, and you know, in response to the Industrial Revolution. And we, we, you know, talk about a guy in Dayton, Ohio who ran the National Cash Register Company, but he's, he's really famous for this. And he was one of those guys who said, hey, his name was John Patterson. And he said, what if we just made, made the workplace better for the workers or maybe what if we provided housing for our workers or something, or did something like create, you know, the, the five day work week and the 40 hour, the 40 hour work week. And, and a lot of that was going on at the same machinery, cleaner conditions, higher wages, better hours for the workforce. A lot of that happened at the same time as the, like the original, original rise of the labor unions. And we kind of point out that it was those forces in, you know, kind of like immediate post turn of the century. That's why the United States didn't have a socialist revolution back then the way so many other countries did.

[Ian Crosland]

So if we can change our work week so it's 20 hour work weeks and people get paid twice as much for a 20 hour workweek, that might be a potential.

[Jack Posobiec]

I wonder if you get what I'm

[Carter]

saying,

[Tim Pool]

people have been pointing out that WOKE emerged during Occupy Wall street, that it was an attempt by the elites to distract the masses. Instead of complaining about the financial system that was bailing out the elites and controlling everything, make them fight about race instead. And then the funny thing is WOKE is largely broke at this point, but no one now remembers Occupy or the bailouts or the financial crisis. They're not really thinking about it. And so now the cultural issue is largely centered around Israel. So it's like there's a new, a new boogeyman. No one is complaining about the bailouts anymore. That's 20 years ago. That whole movement crashed because of the, the WOKE takeover. And I think it's fascinating because I was, you know, being there at Occupy and watching the narrative change from they bailed out corporations and screwed over the working class. And then within two weeks it was White people are bad. It makes sense.

[Ian Crosland]

It's crazy, dude, because it's going up against the banking cartel is tough because it's like in the brain of our system, the Federal Reserve, it's entrenched like,

[Tim Pool]

well, I think even you are a little bit too, you're being a little bit too myopic. You complain with the banking cartel is still another one of their make them focus on something that's not the bigger problem, that the use of banks as a tool for control is just a tool. So they're dangling the keys over there and you're pointing at it. Then they dangle the keys over there and everyone else points at that. When the person is standing right in front of you.

[Ian Crosland]

What do you think?

[Jack Posobiec]

Is it usury?

[Ian Crosland]

Is that the problem?

[Phil Amante]

No.

[Ian Crosland]

Is it a specific company? Is it a way of doing business?

[Tim Pool]

It's confidence. Again, like when you come out and you're like the banking cartels, that's as useful as saying white men.

[Ian Crosland]

Okay, the liberal, I would say the bank for International Settlements.

[Tim Pool]

That'll be the liberal economic order. It's run through the mechanism of elites that manipulates various levers of power to maintain control from media to finance to military or otherwise. And anytime you focus on that machine, they'll dangle keys in a different direction and make you go run some other somewhere else.

[Jack Posobiec]

So what's interesting is I just turned the page and I said, and I was like, wow, this is crazy because we wrote this two years ago and we said to be clear, this is a population that could easily be wielded and mobilized by a BLM Chavez type figure. Trust me, you do not want to wait for that figure to emerge.

[Carter]

Nope.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's the DSA right now, isn't it? That's exactly what but they don't have

[Tim Pool]

their Stalin, you know.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, they, I also, but they're all kind of like vying to be that one. I, I, I would, I would agree that, that that one individual hasn't come up yet. But you know, could Mandami wants it? Hassan wants it.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, could I, I, I, I

[Jack Posobiec]

guarantee you wants it.

[Tim Pool]

Hasan Piker is the kind of guy who will walk up to a person and slit their throat.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and what's, what's crazy about, about that is that he is so vocal about his support for left wing violence and yet you don't hear anyone or any social media. And by the way, I don't think he should be banned. But when anyone on the right says anything that quote unquote could be construed as violence, immediately banned. Yet he'll go out there and support the murder of conservatives. He'll say that hurt people. Hurt people. When, like, churches and temples and synagogues are bombed. He'll, you know, kind of like play footsie with all of this violent stuff out there. He'll say. He'll make excuses for Magione and say that the New York. Or tell the New York Times that, you know, that Brian Thompson was committing social murder with. As a health care CEO.

[Phil Amante]

Disgusting.

[Jack Posobiec]

And. And nobody seems to bat an eye. He literally supports violence, death and murder.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah. Nick Fuentes made the point that the left will do all of the COVID for their extremists that they possibly can. And the right is so quick to just say, look, we don't agree with this, and to condemn the people that say extreme things.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I brought up Tsar Nicholas in the. There's several accounts of his death, but one is they brought him. They brought him to the basement saying, it's for your own safety. And then Sir Nicholas says, can we have some chairs? And then one of the guys walks up and says, the Soviet workers want you executed. So you're going to die now. And he went, what? What are you saying? Like, are you really that stupid? You didn't realize they were preparing to kill you?

[Phil Amante]

Never.

[Tim Pool]

You are shocked that they're going to kill you now.

[Phil Amante]

Never let them take you to the second location.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Amante]

Like what? I think make them do whatever they're going to do right where you are, because the second location, and this is something you can use in life, too. Someone jumps in your car and they got a gun and they're like, go somewhere, blah, blah, blah, crash that car. Don't ever let them take you to the second location because they're going to. They're going to do something worse there and you're not getting out of it. Never go to the second location.

[Jack Posobiec]

If I remember correctly, and I'm pulling the book up to this. I don't know if we got into it, but I may have read it separately somewhere else. But I think they had said something of. That they were going to go down for photographs.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

That they were. That they were going to go down and.

[Tim Pool]

And so they said they want to get. They said. So what I read was they were bringing him down there because they said that it was getting dangerous, there may be shots in the house. And they said that we need to get photographs for. For proof of life.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right. And so. So Yakov Yourofsky he was the one who was in charge of that. No, he was from a Jewish family. And his, one of his points of his grievance against the monarchy was, was the pogroms was the pale of settlement. And so he thought, you know, I'm getting back for my people against the ethnic.

[Tim Pool]

They argued over who got to kill who.

[Phil Amante]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And

[Tim Pool]

it also said that when they were shooting the children, the children were wearing fine jewelry, which was actually protecting their bodies from the stabbings and the shootings.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yep.

[Ian Crosland]

They stitched it into their clothing because they knew they couldn't hide it any other way. It was like body armor.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so it was like body armor. So. So some of the rounds weren't, weren't, weren't penetrating. And so they ordered them bayonets to be used on the children. I think it's, you know, and just, just put it to finish the line. Then even when that wasn't working, they eventually just shot the kids in the head.

[Ian Crosland]

Yep. This. It's like, I complain about monarchy a lot. This is one of the reasons why. Because if you get a failed monarch, fresh revolution. Also if you take out the monarch, total chaos. Just such a. It's so important that they're good revolution. Like, our system sucks.

[Phil Amante]

Revolutions are.

[Jack Posobiec]

And France was just as bad. Yeah.

[Phil Amante]

By the way, the French Revolution was. Look, rev. The. Our revolution here in the United States, it was barely a revolution. It was more like a civil war because the colonists thought of themselves as Englishmen in the first place. But to my point, like, revolutions don't end up with a better system. Historically, that never happens. The United States is an anomaly in that. Right. The United States.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but because it wasn't a revolution or a civil war. It was a war for independence, meaning there was an existing government in place that the people supported and they were severing the foreign ties.

[Phil Amante]

And they, and also they were, they were adamant that what they were trying to do was restore their rights as Englishmen, as free Englishmen, because the English, like the king was, was not the, like it's. He wasn't the way that, that you imagine before the, the revolution, there were. There were certain rights that were. That people in, in the UK in England had.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, they did. To be fair, they did have a civil war to get a lot of that too, in England.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, well, you know, like I've said before.

[Jack Posobiec]

And they executed that king.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah. But the. I've said before, like the, the Declaration or the, the Constitution that we have is really the fulfillment of the promises Started with the Magna Carta. Right. It was first the lords had, the Magna Carta said that had a bunch of demands of the King. And they said, we want the, you know, we have these rights as lords because the King was treating the lords badly. And then that kind of started the idea that men should, that men are actually all equal. And the completion of that idea was the Constitution in the United States.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And Ian, just to, just to kind of go back on that though is, you know, we're talking about something that happened in 1917. But what do you think would happen if, if these types had. And we see there was a guy who was arrested outside of Trump's golf course yesterday where he was armed and he was filming. And you know, the President, when he likes to travel, he brings his children, his grandchildren. So don't think for a second that there aren't people like that around right now who are targeting clearly the President's family. There's no question every single, every single person whose last name is Trump, like you're very truly, your life is in danger just because of your last name. They would do the exact same thing to them. And the same, of course, goes to a lesser extent for anyone else who's a public conservative. It's just a reality.

[Ian Crosland]

It's a part, a part of why I'm like, speak a lot about. Don't become like a sycophant, don't become an ideologue for Trump. Cuz it's about a movement of people trying to break away from the liberal economic order, create American idealism or whatever.

[Phil Amante]

That's the line the communists say.

[Ian Crosland]

But if you get obsessed with Trump when he's gone, that vacuum is a ripe revolutionary battleground. So you gotta be careful that you don't become so obsessed with the leader revolution.

[Jack Posobiec]

You mean with hating the leader?

[Ian Crosland]

Love or hate obsession in general, because when he's gone, we're gonna need a new leader.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah, but the, the, the revolutionary, the revolutionary energy in the United States does not lie in the right today. It definitely lies with the left.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, the left, the left is the one that is, is willing to and has used extreme amounts of violence and continues to do so. And unfortunately, their level of violence is continuing to escalate and continuing to get worse. So you are going to see more assassinations, you are going to see, see more, more killing attempts, you're going to see more. You know, I think they've moved beyond

[Phil Amante]

bombings at this point and, and the more political victories they have, the more cover they get.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Amante]

So as DSA members win seats in the House or, or maybe a seat in the Senate or local elections, New York mayors race, New York Mayors, then those people that commit violence will get cover from people in positions of power that will cause more violence. This is the problem that we have when we talk about, you know, DAs that don't want to prosecute. Right. The reason that violence was increasing under them and the reason that, that so many politically motivated or so much politically motivated violence went unpunished on the left is because there were DAs and that wouldn't actually, you punish these people. You've got, you know, you've got the National Lawyers Guild, which is basically a, a slew of lawyers. That was the, the legal arm of the dsa, essentially. Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so I think Rubio actually said that, that they have some ties to Cuba as well.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's, there's a lot of international networking that goes along with it, which is part of the reason.

[Jack Posobiec]

And by the way, that's, that's one of the, the same reasons that a lot of the violence that happened in the anti. Ice violence and variety of other violence happened in D.C. there. There are grand juries who are refusing to, to place charges. There are, there's jury nullification going on. There are people who are willing, who are unwilling to, to file charges against anyone who attacks ICE officers in certain districts. Yeah. So what do you do with that?

[Phil Amante]

But, but my, to my point, like, as they win electoral victories, they're going to be more violent because they have political cover.

[Ian Crosland]

And historically, what happened is some strong man would get in power and root them out, which means basically.

[Phil Amante]

No, no, no slaughtering the opposite. Who is the root. Who is the them that you're talking about?

[Tim Pool]

Franco.

[Ian Crosland]

A power a guy will get and be like, all the people that adhere to my political enemies must be tarnished, you know, and they'll go in, they'll find them, they'll grab them.

[Tim Pool]

And I have a question for you. Do you think that if the, the Communists win, they'll spare you?

[Ian Crosland]

I mean,

[Phil Amante]

you're on this show.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, they'll say, anyone associated with Tim? No.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, it's not an option for me.

[Tim Pool]

So the issue is this. Stand back and look at two factions and remove ideology and ask yourself, who would you prefer to root out the other? Would you prefer that Trump stops the comments from taking power or would you prefer that the Communists stop MAGA from taking power? Right, yeah, I'm asking you, I'm asking

[Ian Crosland]

you if it was one or the other.

[Carter]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

I like, I like things non communistic myself. Well, I'll keep the status.

[Tim Pool]

The issue is this as it is.

[Ian Crosland]

I'll keep it.

[Tim Pool]

This is the, this is the nature of power. Two incompatible worldviews. Trump, maga, Vance, whoever. They're either going to. Through propaganda, finance, manipulation, which I don't think, I think soft power is not going to work, or through physical, which could be law enforcement or otherwise stop these people or they will be stopped by these people. If the communists win. Yeah, you're on the list for sure. Most regular Americans are. This is what the Bolsheviks did. This is what communists do. In Portland, during one of the riots, they went to a guy's house because he had an American flag and they knocked on his door and threatened to burn his house down unless he took it down. Where in Portland? This guy wasn't a protester or anything. Just.

[Jack Posobiec]

I remember this video.

[Tim Pool]

It was a livestream. There was a house with a, with a flag. And they go up to the house and we only, we only have the. Reportedly because you can see them like yelling. But they told the guy, take the flag down or we're going to burn your house down. That's what happens when they win. When Trump is president, you can fly a pride flag. No one stops you. So the question is, does Trump need to go? Look, look, you know, I think Stephen Miller gets it, but I wonder why it doesn't get done. You know what, like, they need to

[Ian Crosland]

arrest these terrorists, like top, top working communist socialists.

[Tim Pool]

Look, when Hassan Piker went on his show and told people to go kill people, he should have got arrested for that. That is not free speech. This clip goes massively viral all the time. When he says that people should commit violence in a video game, he should be arrested for that. They won't do anything about it. So it's going to be like Czar Nicholas all over again as he sits in his chair, goes, wait, they, they're doing what? To me, if, if Czar Nicholas had

[Ian Crosland]

Palantir, though, it'd be. I think they got this on crackdown.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, are you joking?

[Tim Pool]

If they did, these are happening all of that house.

[Jack Posobiec]

He didn't know no czar had secret police.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but he said he had secret police. He had, when he abdicated, he had all of these military assets around him saying, trust us, we got your back. And you're not just all one day disappear and cease to exist.

[Phil Amante]

Like, you're not listening. You're not listening. As they win political power, they're going to give cover to the People that actually commit violence.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let me try to explain a different way. It comes down to a. And this is what, this, what I, what I said to Charlie is that it comes down to a question of will, Right? It's not a question of resources. It's not a question because they will find resources. It's not a question. And the government has resources. The US Government, the Russian government had resources. It's a question of will. It's literally a question of whose will will overcome the other. And will one person, you know, will a capital W, will that will to power actually occur on one side or the other? And if one side, one side abdicates the will to power, they're going to lose.

[Tim Pool]

The Czar thought abdicating helped him maintain control. And as he did, he had his chief of staff, his advisors telling him, this is the way we'll do it. He thought that this was keeping order. And then, and again, literally, I was just reading this, he wanted to put his son in, but his son was sick. So then he was like, we'll do my brother instead. As the Bolsheviks started to gain power in the government, these institutions turned on him. So Palantir, by the way, when faced with an army of Bolsheviks with guns

[Jack Posobiec]

and they just took over Palantir.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. They just take it and use it against you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Which, by the way, this is the exact same way that the French Revolution played out. And King Louis said, well, we'll just, we'll just let them set up their, their people's communes and, and we'll work with them and everything will be fine. And they can set up their people, their people's course.

[Tim Pool]

And they chop literally everywhere.

[Phil Amante]

40, 000 people were killed in the Red terror.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, wait, what do you mean? I'm guilty in the people's court. I'm working with you. You can't.

[Ian Crosland]

They call appeasement. Neville Chamberlain was also guilty of it. It's the reason why World War II happened because the Germans were not equipped to fight two fronts. And if the French had invaded six weeks before they got attacked, they would have stomped the Germans. But Neville Chamberlain went over there and said, you know, we're just gonna give you a little piece of land, Hitler, cuz you seem like a good enough guy. We trust you. We don't want conflict. We'll appease you.

[Tim Pool]

That's how it goes. But ultimately they did lose. But the issue is, if the right is unwilling to enforce its own laws against terrorism, terrorism will win.

[Ian Crosland]

Yep, I get nervous about that term, terrorism. I'm with You. I'm using terrorism.

[Tim Pool]

I agree with you, but I'm using. It used, you know, like when Hasan Piker went on his show and said, let the streets run red with their capitalist blood.

[Ian Crosland]

Go.

[Tim Pool]

And literally instructed people to commit violence. It's like, yeah, you need to, at bare minimum, ban that. I mean, it's not free speech to tell people to go kill people. Right.

[Ian Crosland]

If it's not an imminent threat, it is legal.

[Tim Pool]

When he said, go kill the capitalists, that's an imminent threat.

[Ian Crosland]

If he gives a time and a place.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Ian Crosland]

Legally, I think that's the. The truth. Which is why he didn't get arrested.

[Tim Pool]

Creating a clear and imminent threat. When he tells his audience to go kill people. That. That's. That's it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, it's actually a question for the jury.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, the jury that's going to be in D.C. it's going to say he's fine.

[Ian Crosland]

Charged everybody that said to go commit a crime. What if you charged everybody that said online, go commit a crime?

[Phil Amante]

It's a question. It's a question for the State Department when they revoke his citizenship and deport him back.

[Tim Pool]

He naturalized in deport.

[Jack Posobiec]

I thought he was.

[Phil Amante]

He was born.

[Jack Posobiec]

He was born in New Jersey.

[Phil Amante]

He was born in New Jersey, but we should.

[Tim Pool]

But his parents weren't.

[Phil Amante]

We should still strip.

[Tim Pool]

His parents weren't citizens, right?

[Phil Amante]

No, they weren't.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. If his parents weren't citizens, we can. We can challenge that citizenship.

[Phil Amante]

I've been thinking about the citizenship.

[Jack Posobiec]

You have to run that by this.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look after that. Amy Coney Barrett is weak. 100 Kavanaugh's a little weak.

[Jack Posobiec]

What did Amy Coney Barrett say? And that's. It's very similar to what. What we're. The discussion we're having right now, because when she testified recently, when she had that hearing, she was talking about how she was terrified that after the Dobbs decision that she was forced to wear a bulletproof vest.

[Phil Amante]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we have. We have worse than that.

[Tim Pool]

Her son opened the door to armed police screaming at him because they got swatted on the swatting only a month before the citizenship ruling.

[Jack Posobiec]

So. So think about this. You've got someone. We've got a situation now where our own Supreme Court justices have to wear bulletproof vests, where their families are terrified of violence being used against them. And yet the actions. Right. For every action, there shall be an equal and opposite reaction. We need the opposite reaction to take place or else. To your point, the order will be overturned and we will devolve into chaos.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I got bad news for you, Jack. If the left is willing to lie, right, Sayed says he's not a socialist. Right. But he's. The DSA actually say that numerous times.

[Jack Posobiec]

Good for him.

[Tim Pool]

And the DSA is campaigning on his behalf while not endorsing him because we know that they lie. These people are willing to use physical violence that they have numerous times. They're willing to lie, as we've seen over and over again. And the right is not. If you want to win a conflict, you have to be willing to win a conflict. And if you're going to play the game where you say, let's just.

[Phil Amante]

Let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's appease them, right? Do you want to be Neville Chamberlain or Winston Churchill? Do you want to be Abraham Lincoln? Or do you want to be Buchanan or Lincoln?

[Ian Crosland]

I don't know the difference.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I said if Trump doesn't deal with this, he will go down in history as our. As our second Buchanan.

[Ian Crosland]

Hey, I'm. I'm all out.

[Phil Amante]

Do you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you want to be the czar?

[Carter]

No.

[Ian Crosland]

That guy was. That guy is. Is a vestige of monarch. He's the example of a flawed monarch, but.

[Jack Posobiec]

But the epic example. All of all. I'm not even arguing that. But the point is. The point is he had the ability to save his country at one point. He really did. He could have unleashed his generals. He could have said, this is a building full of terrorists. Go arrest all of them. Could have done it.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he could have done a lot of other things. He could have conscripted them, send them

[Ian Crosland]

to the front lines.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So depending on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, actually, the Communists were very effective at infiltrating the military early on.

[Tim Pool]

What I'm saying is when you have a. When you have a building full of terrorists, you don't arrest them. You just. They were conscripted. What do you mean? They weren't. They weren't criminally charged with anything. They were conscripted to join the war effort like anybody else. Oh, they're all dead now.

[Ian Crosland]

They're working the mines. Oh, they went to the front. They're working.

[Jack Posobiec]

Then you send them off on a certain mission.

[Tim Pool]

The point is this, as we have seen time and time again throughout history. What did Buchanan do? Appeasement. And then what happened?

[Carter]

South.

[Tim Pool]

He tried to. And Lincoln came in and said, we're not going to tolerate this. If we. If. For all the complaints people about Lincoln and like Sherman's March to the Sea, that is called the Raw Exercise of power. And it wins. If Lincoln did not arrest the Maryland legislature. Tyrannical. Suspend habeas corpus. Tyrannical conscripting people. Wow. Very tyrannical. Splitting the union splits West Virginia in half. They eliminate the south from Congress and then vote with only those who sided with Lincoln to retroactively ratify his suspension of habeas corpus. And he won in America. When you, when you poll Americans, he is the most popular president in American history.

[Ian Crosland]

And he would have been like the end of America if he failed. That's the craziest.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because he won. And so, but, but the point is

[Tim Pool]

that he wasn't going to fail because he was willing to do. He was willing to break the law.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you know how. Tim, would you, Would you.

[Carter]

Almost

[Jack Posobiec]

obviously I've been going. People have been very upset that I tell the story of Franco in the book as well. And you know, we became the first people to really start telling his response to the people trying to tear Spain apart in the. What an amazing story in the 1930s. And people start losing their minds. And, and it almost sounds like you would almost equate. Would you equate Lincoln and Franco?

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So. But what I would say, what's interesting about Franco is they, they actually tried appeasement. So before the Spanish Civil War, the, the more right leaning side, the anti communists were like, okay, like they won the election. Let's see how things go. Then it started getting really bad, as communists do. And then Franco, I think he was stationed in Morocco. He's like, guys, we cannot allow them to keep doing this or we know what's going to happen. So then he got a group of his buddies together, sailed into Spain and then some other military guys got word that they were planning a coup, kicking off the Spanish Civil War, and he won.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's also, there's also an interesting body of work out there as to whether or not that was actually a fair election.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

That the communists may have actually stolen that election to begin, which was a huge contention during.

[Tim Pool]

And, and, but even when they did, the reaction from the right was like, well, okay, you know, we're going to see what happens. But then Franco was watching and he was like, guys, I see where this is going and I'm not going to let it.

[Jack Posobiec]

And what did they start doing? They immediately started, let's see, they first they stole all the gold from the treasury of Spain and shipped it all back to Moscow because they're just criminals and thieves, which nobody tells you. They allowed the Soviet Union to come in and start Taking over all the institutions of the Spanish government. And then they released their Red Brigades. Pretty similar to like Antifa or you might see today. And they went through the countryside and they went to churches. And if you were a priest, you were shot and killed or just stabbed on the altar. And if you were a nun, you were either marched out and mass killed outside or you would be raped inside on the altar, then mass killed outside and your body would be pressed up against the wall in the town square until it turned into a decaying skeleton.

[Tim Pool]

Did they exhume?

[Phil Amante]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Corpses as well?

[Jack Posobiec]

He sure did.

[Ian Crosland]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

To desecrate.

[Jack Posobiec]

Desecrate them more.

[Tim Pool]

Humiliate, demoralize.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

You know, we've got these contingencies. If there's a nuclear war, you know, the. The American military machine will fire off nukes to hit every city in Russia, every city in China. None of them will let be left standing on the surface.

[Tim Pool]

Remember when we wanted to buy that Lenin statue to desecrate it.

[Ian Crosland]

But I wonder if we have contingencies in place if a socialist revolution were to start to trans.

[Jack Posobiec]

I went out there and I tried to get them to take. They said they were going to take it down and they didn't. You know what I mean though?

[Ian Crosland]

That we have some sort of fail safe in place if we have one for nuclear war, that we might have one for a socialist or communist attempted revolution in the. In the state.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I couldn't agree more. We can, we could call it. We could call it the Franco option.

[Phil Amante]

To be honest with you, I think, look, just for. I mean, take this.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't mean literally, I mean an option.

[Phil Amante]

But take this. Take this with a grain of salt if you want. But like I think that invoking Franco is a bad idea.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's the best idea.

[Phil Amante]

No, when you're articulating your argument, don't invoke Franco, invoke Lincoln. Because Lincoln was willing to break the law to do the things that were necessary to save the country. And Americans love Lincoln. Invoking Franco gives people, gives them the scaries. He was a fascist, blah, blah, blah. He gives them the scaries. If you invoke Lincoln, everybody loves Lincoln. We need a president that's willing to do what? To do what Lincoln did to save the country. We have a clear and present danger in this country. There are communists here that are winning elections. We need someone like Abraham Lincoln who's willing to do what's necessary to protect the United States from forces that want to tear it apart. They want to get rid of the presidency they want to get rid of the Senate. They want to get rid of the electoral College. We need a president that will be like Lincoln and need to do what's necessary to save the Union because people are going to get scared of.

[Carter]

Of.

[Phil Amante]

Of foreign, you know, foreign fascists. But if you talk about Lincoln, everybody loves Lincoln.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't think so, though, because, I mean, I've been doing this for two years and people broadly support, you know, talking about this. And yeah, I agree there are some people who are terrified of. Of invoking someone who defeated communism and from taking over his country. And by the way, like, we've. I've said on this program that I am not calling for a Franco in the United States, but what I'm doing is pointing out that this was a time where there is abject evil going on and it was defeated.

[Phil Amante]

I. We got a saying. But normies, the normies that are outside of our circles, they would be afraid of Franco. Lincoln. They're not, I think.

[Tim Pool]

So we got to grab Rumble rants and super chats. So get. Smash the like button. Share the show. The uncensored portion is coming up in a few minutes, but let's. Let's see what y' all got to say. Josh says, what's your three favorite Naruto characters? And what life lesson can be learned from the second best anime? Naruto? What's the first best you're talking about One Piece Naruto was the best. Shippuden, the first 80%. And then it got Wacky Shikamaru, one of my favorite characters. But no, no one character I think really stands out. Maybe, you know, Saratobi is. Is cool.

[Ian Crosland]

My friend Henry Dittman does the voice of Kabuto. Kabuto. Kabuto Yakushi. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

Character in the English one or the. The.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, he does the English. I don't know. He does the English voice for that guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's cool.

[Ian Crosland]

I know.

[Tim Pool]

Jiraiya.

[Carter]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Henry's amazing.

[Tim Pool]

My favorite character.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He's such a dryer and I don't know.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't know.

[Ian Crosland]

I like that dude. Stone, the guy who, like, doesn't have any power.

[Tim Pool]

Rock Lee.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, Rock. Stone.

[Carter]

Rock.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah. That guy.

[Tim Pool]

He actually does. He just can't use ninjutsu, so he's just taijutsu.

[Jack Posobiec]

Cool.

[Ian Crosland]

Is that, like energy flow instead of phonetical physical fighting?

[Tim Pool]

And so this question likely arises from when I mentioned opening the gate of death makes a red aura because your blood is evaporating out of your body as you die. And that is when you open your chakra gates, the limiters hold back how much a body you can handle. It's. The general idea is like when a mother gets crushed or. I'm sorry, when a baby gets crushed, the mother can lift the car.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So Guy who uses Taijutsu trains Rock Lee and he teaches them how to open the gates, rapidly increasing your power. But it's a. It causes massive damage to your body, which. The more gates you open, it incapacitates you for a long amount of time.

[Ian Crosland]

It's like you're sublimating the iron in your blood and it's coming out of the blood.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, I'm going to say this is a good point, Guy Sensei, because the. Probably the best moment, and one of the worst lines in the dub is when Guy fights Madara and opens the eighth gate, the Gate of Death, and is so powerful physically that he bends space time as he punches Madara in the face. And that's all you needed. You didn't need Madara to say, I declare you the greatest Taijutsu user of all times. That was dumb. But it was cool to see him go all out. And then he starts dying. And Naruto imbues him with some power to save him.

[Ian Crosland]

They call that frame dragging. When you hit someone so hard, they bend space time. There's a lot of massive stellar bodies will create frame dragging effects, but I think technically you could do it with a punch if it was hard enough.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. All right, Mytho says I would vote for the camel before I vote for Tucker Tarlson.

[Ian Crosland]

Camels.

[Tim Pool]

One way to put it. All right, let's see. Belt Fed says, Tim, I love, love the show. Long time list, sir. I actually knew the cop that died in Vegas. We served in the Marines together in weapons company. He was an outstanding guy. Sad to hear people reacted this way. I think it was because when they said his name. Let me. Let me pull it up. Let's see. Because this was just yesterday, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

This is the first I've heard of this.

[Phil Amante]

Let's see.

[Tim Pool]

His name was Austin Abdel Nabi. And when. When the guy gave him a mention, people started booing. And I think it's because some of them probably thought they were saying Abdul Al Said because they didn't know. And he was like, no, no, we're not booing him. He was. He was a cop who died in line of duty.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is this. By the way, is this quote you have up from. I guess his daily caller from Sayed. Is this real?

[Tim Pool]

When they go low we take them to the mud and choke them.

[Ian Crosland]

Courage to stand up to the power

[Tim Pool]

brokers in our own party, let alone

[Ian Crosland]

Trump and his goons.

[Tim Pool]

We don't back down. We don't back down. We don't back down.

[Ian Crosland]

With all due respect, if they go

[Tim Pool]

low, we don't go high.

[Ian Crosland]

We take them to the mud and choke him out.

[Tim Pool]

He's, he's, he, he's doing what Trump does. You know what I mean?

[Jack Posobiec]

There you go.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, there you go complaining about negative. I, I see this through my life. These waves of people just coming up, complain about how bad it is, and then they get a, A surge of crowd love, offering no solution. And then it goes away. People realize, well, they're not a solver, they're. They're a problem creator. And then it comes back and it, like, it never stops.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I actually disagree. I, I think that a guy like that, with the amount of resentment that he has, the amount of hatred that he has for, for American systems, American institutions, he's there because he wants to say those violent things. He's there for, for increasing the amount of violence. He doesn't care about equality, doesn't care about helping people. He wants to hurt people.

[Phil Amante]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

So we got this from there, and that'd be very clear about that.sxdxs10 the tip situation at certain places, because servers in some states can elect to have their tips paid to them in cash. The restaurant may not have that cash on hand. I've been in the situation. Yeah, I hear you. But I'm pretty sure if I tipped a thousand dollars to a server, they can say, this one I'm okay with. Just pay me when you can. I want the thousand dollars. It's insane that they'd be like, yeah, I would rather lose the 800 and take a 200 tip instead. That, that's just. This is. It's not. It's just insane. But as for why doordash blocks, high tips, I have no idea. Uber does the same. So from here to D.C. with an Uber, it's like 200 bucks, hour and a half drive. And so when I come from the airport, I'll be like, hey, I'm gonna get you on the way back too. Because we're driving out to the eastern panhandle, they go, you got it. I gotta give him cash. Because when I go in the app and I try and put it in, it says, no, it won't let you. It says the maximum tip amount is much, much smaller.

[Ian Crosland]

I always love getting cash tips when I was a waiter. Because you don't.

[Tim Pool]

You don't.

[Jack Posobiec]

Cash is king.

[Ian Crosland]

If they're digital, they automatically get declared. If they're cash, you have to declare them, my friends.

[Tim Pool]

Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. The uncensored portion is coming up. Jack, do you want to shout any.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you for having me on. It's been been a minute since you and I have been on together and. And yeah. So we're doing the second edition of On Humans. It's going to be unhumans socialist revolution.

[Tim Pool]

But we're going to be in the same studio soon.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I hear.

[Tim Pool]

Same, Same studio.

[Jack Posobiec]

We're gonna. Guys, we're. We're all going to be in the same studio. We're gonna be the same place. We're gonna be palling around.

[Phil Amante]

We're gonna be mixing it up, hanging and broing down. We're gonna be.

[Ian Crosland]

Let's get human, dude. Let's do some human stuff.

[Phil Amante]

No, not.

[Tim Pool]

I don't, I don't. That sounds weird.

[Ian Crosland]

That's the real antidote.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, see, see there, there. The antidote to the unhumans is. Is team humanity.

[Tim Pool]

I'm once gathering berries and bores.

[Ian Crosland]

Sounds delicious. Finding plants and.

[Tim Pool]

I know it sounds fun, right? We should go do that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tanya. Where Tanya's from back home, they have a lot of wild boar.

[Tim Pool]

I got. I bet there's got to be a business that allows that where it's like, it's a basic like survival safari where you go out and they say we're gonna go hunt a boar. And then we're cooking, eat it field dress and everything. And then we're gonna do gathering for berries and then we're gonna make dinner.

[Jack Posobiec]

Tanya's dad, literally, I mean, you know,

[Ian Crosland]

you get a permit.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's a million dollar business.

[Jack Posobiec]

You get a permit for it. But yeah, that's literally what he does anyway.

[Tim Pool]

Ian.

[Ian Crosland]

Yo, Rock and roll, baby. Happy to be here. Ian Crosland. Always a pleasure. Jack. Phil Amante.

[Phil Amante]

I am Phil. That remains on Twix. You can check out my Patreon. It's patreon.com filthetremains. You can check out the band's music at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora YouTube spot there. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. Carter.

[Carter]

Gee, heavy conversation about communism and socialism I used to like. It's really tough to understand what exactly motivates people to. To want power so badly, but it's pretty easy to understand why it fails Every time. One of the clearest ways that I've read about it is in Frank Decoder's book in Mao's. It's called Mao's Great Famine. Basically just shows you how. Oh, yeah, you have to force people to do socialism by force. And that means, you know, hurting them. And then it keeps going. But anyway, Jack, does. Does your book have an audiobook? I'm curious.

[Jack Posobiec]

It does. So we have an audiobook where. We have a couple audiobooks, actually. So we have an audiobook that was read. Wasn't read by me originally and something that I wanted to change. And we're working on that. More on that to come. And so we hired an actor to do the original ones. We get out in time.

[Carter]

We.

[Jack Posobiec]

We also have a deal through our publisher with 11 labs on 11. So if you go to 11 reader, I think it's 11 reader.com you can get access on humans and you can have. You can choose any voice you want to listen to it. And we also. And it. Which includes a spate of celebrities. So there's actually a version of Unhumans you can get where John Wayne is the narrator. And it's amazing. He's just like, Communists are the worst people on the planet. They hate you and they hate your whole family.

[Ian Crosland]

Do you have to pick what voice when you.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to go to the.

[Phil Amante]

Yeah, you can.

[Jack Posobiec]

You can change the voice as you're listening.

[Tim Pool]

Thanks for hanging out, everybody. We'll see you all in 30 seconds.