ABC Revives Jimmy Kimmel After Terror Attack On Station, Sinclair Refuses To Air Show w/ Augustus Doricko

Summary

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Timcast IRL – Episode Summary

Episode Title: ABC Revives Jimmy Kimmel After Terror Attack On Station, Sinclair Refuses To Air Show w/ Augustus Doricko
Air Date: September 23, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Augustus Doricko (Rainmaker), Shane Cashman, Tate Brown, Phil Labonte

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Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL dives deeply into the political, media, and cultural fallout following a terror attack at an ABC affiliate, the controversial return of Jimmy Kimmel to late night television, the cancellation of a tribute to Charlie Kirk due to threats, and Trump’s designation of Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. The discussion is fueled by a mix of hard news analysis, cultural commentary, and passionate debate spanning topics from media strategy to free speech, tech influence, and societal violence. Augustus Doricko of Rainmaker also joins for a spirited discussion about cloud seeding, environmental intervention, and the ethics of tech solutions in crisis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jimmy Kimmel’s Return & ABC’s Decision

• Background:
  Kimmel was suspended from ABC following inflammatory comments about Charlie Kirk and faced advertiser and affiliate backlash.

• Media Response:
  Speculation ensues as to why ABC reversed the suspension; Tim suggests the decision is less about ratings and more about responding to credible threats of terrorism and violence against ABC stations.

  “When faced with the threat of boycott, it's, you know, okay, that's a bad thing. ... But now they're receiving terroristic threats. ... A threat of a boycott means nothing. The threat of death means everything.” – Tim Pool [13:18]

• Sinclair Broadcasting’s Position:
  Pulled a planned Charlie Kirk tribute due to threats and announced they will preempt Jimmy Kimmel upon his return. Ongoing discussions with ABC over Kimmel’s future.

• Advertiser Pressure:
  The group debates whether advertiser boycotts or physical security risks are more motivating for networks, with consensus forming that direct threats outweigh financial ones.

2. Violence Against Media & Political Tensions

• ABC Affiliate Shooting:
  Attacker left a note targeting Trump officials and referencing Charlie Kirk's assassination, intensifying fear and politicization of the media landscape.

• Political Interpretation:
  Panel largely sees these attacks as left-aligned political violence, criticizing media and liberal figures for not condemning it.

  “Everyone still knows that it's the left and Democrats and Democrat politicians will not condemn it.” – Phil Labonte [16:29]

• Civil Strife & Culture War:
  The conversation draws analogies to revolutionary periods, historical unrest, and “civil strife,” arguing that violence is becoming normalized as a political tool.

  “It feels like reality is just hanging on by a thread.” – Shane Cashman [45:53]

3. Trump Designates Antifa a Domestic Terrorist Organization

• Order & Implications:
  Trump’s executive order gives law enforcement new levers (potentially RICO, social media bans). Question raised: Will tech and media companies comply by removing Antifa supportive material?

• Tech Company Compliance:
  Mixed predictions—some expect compliance to avoid DOJ scrutiny; others doubt YouTube, X (formerly Twitter), and Facebook will actually follow through due to internal alignment and business calculations.

  “If YouTube keeps up these antifa videos, ... they are outright saying Trump's authority doesn't mean anything.” – Tim Pool [68:57]

  "I don't think Zuckerberg is committed to an ideology. ... What does he care if ... a handful of users that are ... committed to their ideology [get] wrapped up? He's talking about the entire planet." – Phil Labonte [71:15]

• Social Order Bifurcation:
  Tim argues that failure to comply would demonstrate an irreparable split in the nation’s governing legitimacy and infrastructure.

4. Charlie Kirk Memorial & Media Narrative

• Massive Memorial Broadcast:
  Over 100 million watched the tribute; left-wing commentators derided it as a “Nazi rally."

  “...the Charlie Kirk Memorial is one of the greatest days in the history of this country. ...The response from people like Don Lemon and the left was to call it a Nazi rally.” – Tim Pool [74:07]

• Media Criticism and Disbelief:
  The panel expresses frustration at liberal figures celebrating Kirk’s death or downplaying the violence.

• Grief & Conspiracy Theories:
  Discussion acknowledges conspiracy theories swirling around Kirk’s assassination, but the group—Tim especially—urges caution, more reliance on available evidence, and warns of distraction.

5. Society’s Normalization of Violence

• Desensitization:
  Cites the American public’s high tolerance for violence (e.g., crime headlines, entertainment trends), leading to a normalization of sporadic and political violence.

• Youth Perspective:
  Augustus Doricko offers the insight that the Kirk assassination marks a "mass trauma event" for Gen Z, shifting perceptions about safety and political conflict.

  "That feels like the first time I've ever been sensitized to ... political violence in the US. ... Now ... zoomers ... feel as though there is like imminent threat of violence..." – Augustus Doricko [47:18]

6. Debate: Cloud Seeding & Human Control Over Nature

• Introduction of Augustus Doricko:
  CEO of Rainmaker, leading US cloud seeding company, provides a technical explanation of cloud seeding’s role in agriculture and ecosystems.

• Debate with Shane Cashman:
  Shane voices skepticism, likening weather manipulation to “playing God,” warning about unintended environmental side effects and the dystopian potential of tech intervention.

  “I think you are playing God.” – Shane Cashman [102:41]

  “...the technical point ... is trying to live out the dominion mandate that God gave us ... to take dominion over the earth, ... not just for our benefit, but for the sake of creation’s well being...” – Augustus Doricko [102:56]

• Ethics and Regulation:
  Robust disagreement over whether cloud seeding should be banned, regulated, or embraced, with both sides referencing science, history, and theology.

  "You don't have to be a climate alarmist to say...farms ... are going to collapse ... unless we produce more water. ...And even all of that said, we should scrutinize and regulate cloud seeding..." – Augustus Doricko [109:11]

• Memorable Exchanges:
  The debate is pointed but respectful, ending in mutual petitions for “meeting in the middle” (ironic, but unresolved).

7. Free Speech, Big Tech, and Government Power

• Censorship Concerns:
  The group examines how previous government pressure (DOJ, Biden admin) forced tech to censor conservative voices, and what would happen if Trump now exerts the same pressure in the opposite direction.

  “...there’s a very real question now. Declaration of a Terrorist Organization. ...If YouTube does not delete them, that shows ... our social order is formally bifurcated.” – Tim Pool [49:19]

• Enforcement & Precedent:
  Phil Labonte emphasizes the practical motivations for tech CEOs (“not ideologically committed to leftism”), suggesting that DOJ investigations would compel cooperation regardless of individual beliefs.

  “...the people that are higher ups, the people that actually have something to really lose if they don't comply with the DOJ. ...But the federal government can make their lives absolutely terrible.” – Phil Labonte [72:15]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On ABC's Motive for Kimmel's Return:
  “A threat of a boycott means nothing. The threat of death means everything.”
  — Tim Pool [13:18]

• On Cultural and Political Violence:
  “It feels like reality is just hanging on by a thread.”
  — Shane Cashman [45:53]

• On Normalization of Violence:
  “The United States ... the threshold Americans have for violence is actually quite high.”
  — Tate Brown [45:53]

• On Trump’s Antifa Declaration:
  “There's a very real question now. Declaration of a Terrorist Organization... our social order is formally bifurcated.”
  — Tim Pool [49:19]

• On Tech Compliance:
  “...what does he care if there’s a handful of users that are ... committed to their ideology? ...His goals are far bigger than just ... what antifa’s after.”
  — Phil Labonte [71:15]

• On Left’s Double Standards:
  “The response from people like Don Lemon and the left was to call it a Nazi rally.”
  — Tim Pool [74:07]

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Section Timestamps

• Introduction, News Headlines, Kimmel Background:
  [00:56–05:15]
• Jimmy Kimmel’s Negotiations & Media Fallout:
  [06:15–13:18]
• Violence, Motivation, and ABC Shooting:
  [13:18–16:23]
• Civil Strife, Security Concerns:
  [16:23–19:04]
• Trump’s Executive Order on Antifa:
  [49:19–53:16]
• Tech, Free Speech, and Government Power:
  [58:00–74:07]
• Charlie Kirk Memorial & Grief Reaction:
  [74:07–92:17]
• Cloud Seeding & Environmental Ethics:
  [99:46–112:28]
• Closing, Super Chats:
  [112:53–End]

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Tone and Style

The episode is intensely conversational, often combative but with a sense of camaraderie. Political, cultural, and technological anxieties are at the forefront, expressed in blunt, sometimes irreverent language and humor. The tone is one of urgency, skepticism, and concern—punctuated by moments of dark comedy and shared exasperation.

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Memorable Moments

• Speculation on the Real Reason for Kimmel's Return:
  Tim’s repeated assertion that ABC was motivated by fear, not business logic, and the group’s oft-cynical banter about media hypocrisy.

• Cloud Seeding Debate:
  Passionate and at times theological back-and-forth between Augustus Doricko and Shane Cashman, each defending their philosophies of technology vs. "playing God".

• Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s Death:
  Sober and personal reflections from Tim and guests about the real-world impact of losing a friend and the media’s reaction—an unusually emotional and raw segment for the show.

• Running Gags:
  Tim’s dismissal of FCC conspiracy theories, jokes about secret shadow cabals, and playful ribbing about “fake rain from fake clouds”.

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL offers a raw, unfiltered look at the mechanics of cultural and media power in a politically charged America. Centered on the strange story of Jimmy Kimmel’s return following terrorist threats, the show explores everything from the normalization of violence and media strategy to tech’s role in speech policing and ethical dilemmas with environmental manipulation. The panel’s sharp, sometimes abrasive honesty, and passionate debate keep the tone urgent, informed, and deeply engaged with the country’s most contentious debates.

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Transcript

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Every style, every home Jimmy Kimmel is back. ABC is reviving his show as of tomorrow and it seems, it seems that this may be due to terror threats and terror attacks. Now not necessarily. We don't know for sure, but we're now learning the man who shot up the ABC affiliate in California was targeting other prominent conservatives and the DA says we believe there was a political motive to this attack. Sinclair last week was going to air a tribute to Charlie Kirk, but pulled it at the last minute because of terroristic threats. Now ABC has announced they will bring the show back, but Sinclair says absolutely not. They intend to still preempt the show if it comes back tomorrow. So this will be interesting. My wager is that Jimmy Kimmel's ratings are gonna be massive. I mean, the liberals are all acting like he's their favorite commentator despite the fact none of them watch this show. But now everyone wants to know what he's gonna say because the reporting is he will not apologize. But he's coming back anyway, baby. So what could possibly make them decide to bring back his show? I don't know. Maybe they negotiated his salary way down using this morality clause breach. Or maybe the threats of terroristic violence against their stations made them think we probably should bring this show back. Considering what we've seen in the past, I think there's a strong possibility of that. Now there actually is a bunch of other news. Trump has a formally designated antifa A terrorist organization. I believe this likely means it's going to allow him to go after funding organizations that empower the individuals. Not like there is a big central antifa network. It is a decentralized network. We'll talk about that. Plus the reaction to the Charlie Kirk Memorial. Over 100 million watched. And the left is leftists are calling it a Nazi rally cuz what else would they do? And a man is arrested for pointing a laser at Air Force One. That's crazy. Before we get into all that, my friends, we've got a great sponsor for it is Beam Dream. My friends, go to shop B-E-A-M.com timpool and pick up your sleep support. Beam Dream helps you sleep. Nighttime blend supporting better sleep. It's got L theanine, magnesium, melatonin. This is the original cinnamon cocoa flavor. I actually finished mine off. I'm doing the brownie batter. It's got 15 calories, no added sugar. It tastes great. I drink it every night before bed. I tell you what, I'm gonna pull this up right now in real time. I'm not even kidding. It's amazing. I swear by it. After a couple days of drinking it, everything started to feel a lot better. Here's my sleep score. This is not a joke. This is literally my sleep score for my sleep eight mattress 100. And over the past month I've been hitting like 98, 99 in my sleep score. Perfect deep sleep. REM sleep. And that's when your body's producing human growth hormone and testosterone. So take your sleep seriously. Go to shop B-E-A-M.com timpool get 35% off. Shout out to Beam Dream. Big fan. But also MyPillow. Go to MyPillow.com and use promo code Tim to get all the pillows you could ever want and more. Right now, MyPillow's having a two. Two sales in one. The first is a sale on Percali bed sheets. Any size and any color. Just $29.88. That's right. You can even get queens, kings, split kings and cow kings and any size and color, just $29.88. The second sale is the new energy drink called Rev7, which I also absolutely love. And we have already. We have a bunch of these Rev7s. They're keto energy drinks, so there's no caffeine. It's low calorie, but it's got ketones in it and it makes you feel real good. Go BHB ketones. I'm a big fan. It's got Cognizant, a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. And go bhb, which is the primary ketone in your body that provides the most efficient and cleanest fuel. Check out mypillow.com, use promo code TIM or call 1-800-925-9096 and don't forget to smash that like button. Share Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Augustus Dorico.

[Augustus Dorico]

Pleasure.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you.

[Augustus Dorico]

Yeah, my name is Augustus Dirico. I run Rainmaker. We're the biggest cloud seeding company in the United States and we're making more water for farms, ecosystem restoration, hydroelectric utilities and ski resorts by flying drones into clouds that aren't naturally precipitating and then making them rain or snow more.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, I'm Shane Cashman.

[Tim Pool]

If I were king, if I were.

[Shane Cashman]

King, I would ban this because it's sky terrorism. But I'm happy you're here, dude.

[Augustus Dorico]

I would love to talk.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm stoked to talk about it.

[Tim Pool]

I just look right at Shane. I'm like waiting for him to say that clouds don't exist.

[Shane Cashman]

I've been telling them about weather manipulation for years. Everyone laughs at me. I'm like, well, the face of big Cloud is right here.

[Tim Pool]

Tate producer is here.

[Tate Brown]

What's going on, guys? Tate Brown here. Me and Augustus, we had the frosty interaction. One time I heard drones overhead and I heard some water dropping. A little nervous. I made it up and then I was here. This was great. So happy to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Hello everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

Here we go. From the New York Post. This is a pretty complicated series of stories. First, we have this Jimmy Kimmel set for return to ABC after backlash, but won't apologize for Charlie Kirk. Comments. According to sources, they say that he negotiated his return to the airwaves directly with CEO of Disney, Bob Iger and and Disney Entertainment co chair Dana Walden. Kimmel will address the controversy during his monologue on Tuesday, though he will stop short of apologizing. Now, hold on there a gosh darn minute. This was. We already knew that he got pulled for this reason. According to the Wall Street Journal and the Hollywood Reporter, he was going to come on his show last week after the controversy address the comments, refuse to apologize and criticize MAGA for twisting his words. Because of this, Bob Iger and Dana Walden were concerned that advertisers and affiliates were already angry and concerned they thought he was going to make it worse. He refused to not engage in this commentary. So they said, then we're pulling your show. That's the Wall Street Journal and the Hollywood Reporter reporting now. It sounds like they've caved. Will let Jimmy Kimmel do exactly the same thing. But that makes no sense. Not maybe. Let me throw some maybes out there. $15 million per year, very expensive show, very low key demo ratings. Maybe he said, slash my salary. They said, we're not going to bring you back. He goes, okay, how much are you going to lose from this? Like we're going to lose. We're already losing millions. Okay, slash my salary. Bring the show back. Maybe. They said, okay, screw it, fine. I guess. I don't think so. I'll tell you why we've got this story from NBC News. Jimmy Kimmel suspension might have been a factor in the shooting at Sacramento ABC affiliate Affiliate DA says NBC News they could actually do the reporting. They don't want to, but at least they give us this quote. We believe that there was a political motive behind his intention. And then from the National Review suspect and ABC station shooting politically motivated left a note warning Trump officials they are next. Considering that. Let's see. Do we have the. Where's the other story from? I thought we had this one pulled up. I guess we don't Post Millennial reported. I'll grab this one too because there's a lot in this. Okay, here we go. Oh, wait, I'm sorry, this is a different. There's a lot to break this down. I'm trying to find the post Millennial story. Sinclair. Here we go. Here's the other component. If it loads. Sinclair canceled its tribute to Charlie Kirk after ABC stations got terroristic threats, local threats directed at specific local ABC stations resulting from the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel. So let's wrap up right now. Sinclair is saying they will not bring back Jimmy Kimmel. However, they did take down Charlie Kirk's memorial due to. Due to terroristic threats. A shooter threatened to kill them and presumably there are way more threats than this and they're bringing Jim Jimmy Kimmel back to do exactly what they told him not to do. I'm going to go ahead and say we don't know any reason why ABC would bring him back. We don't have any official reporting as to what the reason is that he negotiated. I can only then Infer the terror attack and threats of terrorism against ABC stations forced. Forced Disney to cave and return Jimmy Kimmel to the airwaves. But that is just my personal opinion, pending any other information.

[Shane Cashman]

I hate that there's Streisand affecting him now and he's going to play the victim. And it's gross because I. In my opinion, I mean, no one's watching him in the first place. And his irrelevance is our vengeance. And I can think we can just move on from these corporations that pump out slop and hate and just watch them. The corporations die. That's why we have YouTube. That's why we're doing shows like this. People are tuning into this more than they're tuning into Kimmel.

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Shane Cashman]

Got a lot of issues. You know, they all do. But he can go start a YouTube page. You know, the fact that he gets to play victim now.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Shane Cashman]

Is not what anyone wants. No one wants to see him crying anymore. He's done that enough.

[Tate Brown]

Well, like, as far as the return episode getting a pop, like, a lot of people are speculating this, but even with Colbert, it was like two nights where everyone rallied and it was like this big deal or whatever. What's he been up to lately? Like, when's the last time you saw a Colbert clip? I think the same thing's gonna happen to Kimmel because I think libs are just so demoralized that they'll maybe muster up enough strength to back Kimmel for like a night or two, and then he'll just be obscure again, back to obscurity.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not like this isn't gonna give him better ratings. Like, you might. Like you said, you might get a.

[Shane Cashman]

Pop, but he'll get it.

[Phil Labonte]

Still going to be the same content that people have been moving away from or the same show that people have been moving away from for the past at least five years.

[Shane Cashman]

If he comes back in blackface, I'll respect it.

[Tate Brown]

Maybe alone, I tune in. Shoot, that'd be awesome.

[Shane Cashman]

He won't.

[Tim Pool]

I Don't. I don't. The left would say to that.

[Phil Labonte]

I will just.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I don't think it really matters. I think his, his return show tomorrow is going to have a massive viewership. It's going to be the biggest show he's done probably ever. Maybe not. I mean, with television dying, maybe he was getting a lot more ratings and with an aging demographic, his ratings dropped 43% from the, from July into August. Here's what I think. I was on Piers Morgan earlier and the most annoying thing in the world is how literally everybody, even conservatives, are like, well, the FCC's comments. And the FCC is. I'm like, the FCC has, has, has little to do with why he was taken off the air. I think Brendan Carr statements did play a role, probably minimal, because advertisers, according to the Wall Street Journal, were calling ABC upset. And you got to imagine with the Bud Light effect and target getting hit by it. They were like, we don't want to be associated with whatever it is this guy is doing. You got to, he's got to apologize or something. And Jimmy Kimmel said, no, I won't do that. They said, you're going to make it worse. He said, so what? They said, your show's off the air now. He's coming back a week later, and he's going to do exactly that. He's going to make it a lot worse. You know what happened? I think it is fairly obvious now. When I was on Piers Morgan, I said, why are you all making assumptions? The FCC was responsible for this. You're literally saying Trump pressured them and Trump was mad. We have no evidence at all that Trump was in any way affiliated or associated with the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel. None. Brendan Carr made a statement to. Benny Johnson was probably off the cuff. Maybe it got ABC a little scared. But the advertising affiliates were the main reason. And so I'm saying to these people, you are speculating as to the reason. Now we are asking ourselves, what did Jimmy Kimmel do to get brought back on the air? And we have no information. The reporting suggests he just negotiate, negotiated his way back on. In that case, I'm willing to speculate this is terrorism. A guy shot up an ABC affiliate. A bunch of local ABC stations were getting terror threats, threats of violence. Sinclair pulled their memorial. Charlie Kirk. I think the only thing we're seeing is that when faced with a threat of, let's be very clear here. When faced with the threat of boycott, it's, you know, okay, that's a bad thing. Bud Light Lost a lot of money. Disney's probably saying we don't want a boycott. But now they're receiving terroristic threats. A week after Charlie Kirk had a bullet, an assassin put a bullet in his neck. And imagine you're Bob Iger and you see someone drive by and shoot up an ABC affiliate. You see Sinclair being like, our affiliates are getting death threats and terror threats. And then Jimmy Kimmel says, wanna put my show back now? And you go, please just stop. Okay, I'll do whatever you want. A threat of a boycott means nothing. The threat of death means everything. So Republicans sitting here saying we are going to pat ourselves on the back and we're going to wag our fingers. That's not the motivating issue here. They said, you know what, you guys getting mad at us over this only goes so far. Bob Iger is probably sitting there calling his security guards because I got to tell, I'll tell you what, Because I deal with this, I guarantee you. Bob Iger had a consultation with the security guys and they said the threat assessment against your life just went up 100 fold. And he was like, why? And they, they killed Charlie Kirk a week ago. They're shooting up ABC stations and threaten to shoot up more. Okay, you need to cave. And he says, I'll do anything they say. And dropped to his knees like a whiny, scared little bitch.

[Shane Cashman]

Just like in 2020. Indeed, the same thing. They bent a knee constantly.

[Tim Pool]

When the left says they will murder you, everyone believes them. I do. They do. I don't see any legitimate reason why ABC would return a loose. Let's be very clear here. Roseanne was their highest rated show. This is, this is what everybody's been saying. Roseanne was their highest rated show. And get this, they pulled her off the air because she tweeted a joke. That's how terrified they were of the left. They will sacrifice all of their profit on her show, which is massive. The Conners ratings collapsed and we had Roseanne on the show and she said they asked her to come back later as a ghost and she refused to do it. That's how bad it was. They were desperate. In this instance, Jimmy Kimmel is losing millions, tens of millions most likely. And they're willing to lose that money. And I'm gonna ask why they don't have the audience for it. 129,000 in the key demo. 1 million in total viewers. My estimate based on those numbers and sales is what is he pulling in 20k an episode. That's me being generous. And he's getting paid $15 million a year. What would motivate a company to lose money on a failing show, especially after even Colbert already has contract canceled. I'm going to tell you, I think Bob Iger and Dana Walden are scared of getting a bullet in the neck just like Charlie Kirk got.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean it's a legitimate concern, right, like whether it be actual assassination attempts or just the rioting that you saw in 2020 or you know, the smaller scale riots you've seen since the protests and stuff. Everyone knows as much as the left swears up and down that they're not violent. As much as the left swears up and down. No, you, the right is violent. The right are the ones that carry out all this. Everyone still knows that it's the left and Democrats and Democrat politicians will not condemn it. Right. Like they will actually say things like you need to be out in the streets. You need to be out, you know, protesting this, knowing what's going to happen. So I mean, I don't know exactly what the, I don't, you know, I don't have any kind of inclination as to, to what the actual behind the scenes conversations were like, but it's definitely true that there is a legitimate risk that some crazy leftist will try to kill you. I mean you had the, the attack on the, you know, the, the, what is it? The Sacramento, California ABC station. So I mean, I mean it's, it's compelling.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, I kind of want to reframe this a little bit because there is something to be said about the fact that, you know, post Bud Light, the conservators are actually able to throw their weight around and they're actually able to impose their will on the culture like this because the fact that the left is having to resort to, I mean, violence in this case to get what Jimmy Kimmel back on the air. But I mean that shows that conservatives are, they're actually, they're actually having to respond to conservatives.

[Tim Pool]

They're not resorting to it. They've been doing it for. This is why Trump is designated antifa terrorist organization.

[Tate Brown]

No, I know, but I'm just saying the fact that we're able to put them in a position where the only way they can keep Jimmy Kimmel on air is by shooting up ABC stations. I mean that, that, that does show how we are winning and that shows that they're completely demoralized.

[Augustus Dorico]

Well, so be that as it may, I also suspect that whereas with like Roseanne as an example, when she got pulled, I think that the advertiser boycott was probably, like, a legitimate threat where, like when Elon was bringing free speech back to X and like, the advertiser boycott happened, like, that was real. That did happen. X's revenue got crushed. I don't know if, like, the big corporations that are doing advertising on mainstream media actually are so committed to a change of heart or to disavowing political violence that their threats were even real. I think maybe they were caught up in the moment after that assassination. But it was a bluff. Right?

[Tim Pool]

And the advertisers and the affiliates and.

[Augustus Dorico]

So it might have been easier for Sinclair.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's not Sinclair saying they're still not gonna air Jimmy Kimmel. So they're not bluffing. Oh, they might be. Maybe tomorrow they put him back on the air.

[Augustus Dorico]

But. But taking. But taking Kirk's memorial down still, right?

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, yeah. That's why I would make the argument it's about the terror threats. The Bud Light effect is scary. Bud Light has never recovered. I was wrong about that. I thought they were gonna. That the numbers are going to come back around. Bud Light's never recovered. This is actually pretty crazy. I think, you know, who was the comedian I saw with Piers, with Jeff Dye, I think his name was.

[Tate Brown]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

They, you know, they added these guests the last minute. But no disrespect, he made a great point that imagine after George Floyd died, if someone came out and a comedian like Jimmy Kimmel came out and said George Floyd died because he was resisting arrest. This is what you get. People would have lost their minds. I mean, they were rioting and burning down cities. Well, here's the deal. When Jimmy Kimmel implied that the shooter was a Trump supporter and the right got mad, there was fear among advertisers and affiliates that this is gonna cause. Cause a backlash. And then ABC said, okay, Jimmy, don't. No, wait, Jimmy, you're gonna make it worse off the air. Then a guy drove up and unloaded on an ABC station. A bunch of local affiliates got terror threats. And then within a few days, Bob Iger's like, jimmy, please come back. I don't see there is a fear of the Bud Light effect. But I got to tell you, if these guys like this, like Disney, I assure you, man, these guys have security threats. You don't even realize. We don't talk about it because you can't. The security stuff that happens here, Shane knows all about it. We can't publicly state it because it will expose. It will amplify the danger. It will inflame the Stalkers, it will make things substantially more dangerous for us based on what we deal with. And I got to tell you this. There are people behind the scenes here that are also getting death threats. I mentioned this. You know, last week that I was getting texts from crew, being like, I am receiving death threats to my email right now. Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney, I bet you someone sent him a photo of his. Of his kids or, like, his grandkids or something, and a picture of his home. Because the threat of. The threat of Bud Light effect is terrifying to a business. But you know what's scarier? When someone shoots up an ABC station and then someone else threatens to murder you. And, you know, their claims are. Their threats are real. When. When this guy shot at the ABC station got released by the local jail, the FBI swooped in and arrested him. And so I'll tell you this. You're the CEO of Disney. You're. You have a private security company because you are the CEO of Disney. You are getting death threats. I don't think there's a reality where they're not. And your security assessment, your security liaison, he comes to you and he says, okay, the threats against you have increased ten thousand, a thousand fold, literally overnight because of the firing of Jimmy Kimmel. They're actively shooting into these stations. And they just released him. He's in California. He's probably like, okay, whatever they want, just make it stop. Listen, no amount of money in the world is worth fearing that someone's gonna put a bullet in your neck when you least expect it. You won't be able to spend that money. I mean, I gotta be honest, because I'm pissed off. The security. I really wanted to go on Sunday to see Charlie Kirk's memorial, and a lot of people did, and a lot of people without fear. And I'm jealous because my security team came and they were like, it's gonna cost a lot of money. And I said, we can't afford that. And I said, well, then we can't. We can't. We can't provide you security. I said, okay, what's the point of the money if I have to fear landing on an airplane and getting shot by some lunatic? Because the threats have weight to them. The threats that we're receiving, the stalkers, the threats. It's nuts, particularly in those areas. So this. This has me really pissed off. I'll just leave it at that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, like. Like I said earlier, the terrorist. The threats are real. And that's. That's why it's Good that, you know, Donald Trump is taking these kind of threats seriously and going after antifa and stuff because largely people that would make the threats, if they're not, you know, if they're not a part of an, an organization like Rose City Antifa, they're absolutely loosely affiliated with these people.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's read the next story from National Review. Specifically, suspect and ABC station shooting left a note warning Trump officials they are next. Prosecutors believe the suspect who allegedly opened fire on the ABC10 station in Sacramento on Friday was politically motivated, explaining that a search of the suspect's vehicle yielded a note that criticized members of the Trump administration and appeared to reference the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk. The Sacramento Police Department executed a search of 64 year old Annabel Hernandez Santana's home where they not only found the semiautomatic 9 millimeter handgun he allegedly used to fire into the station multiple times, but also various pieces of evidence that suggested that he was motivated. Okay, so they kill the story right there. But NBC News reports similarly. People have also dug up what they say are tweets of his where he makes a bunch of inflammatory comments. So we've already talked in great deal about how this, in my opinion, motivated Disney to bring Jimmy Kimmel back. My question is Trump has designated antifa terror organization. We're going to get into all that, but we are now dealing with, I mean, this is, this is a week and a half after a political assassination. They're threatening to do it again and Disney is giving in. Where do we go from here?

[Phil Labonte]

The year after the two attempts on the life of the president, Right.

[Shane Cashman]

Do you think Bob Iger's so insane that despite the news of this, being a leftist, he still thinks it's right wing violence coming for him? Or do you think they actually understand the reality of leftist?

[Tim Pool]

They know for a fact, but you don't spend millions of. I will tell you this, Bob.

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[Tim Pool]

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[Shane Cashman]

I hope so. These people are insane too. And like despite showing some of these people facts. I know you're saying the security team, but there's people I know in the real world, not like Iger obviously, who despite me showing them the facts, they still will believe the opposite.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh yeah, it's possible, but good. No, I mean it's possible, but I don't see why, like he's got like, like Tim said, he's got very high level security. These people, these guys are, are the top, top of the line when it comes to, to personal security and stuff. And, and I don't see why he would be like, no man. I'm sure that it's the other guys and to be honest with you, from his perspective, it doesn't matter.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, it's like it's, it's, it's. I have a security concern. Doesn't matter who's going to be doing the issues, you know, who, who the person might be or what their politics might be. It's just the security's concern.

[Tim Pool]

He's 74 years old. So what kind of politics you think he might have?

[Shane Cashman]

Like Joy Behar?

[Tim Pool]

It might be indeed.

[Phil Labonte]

He's in his 70s. Maybe he remembers what the, the, the late 60s and early 70s were like with all the left wing bombing and all the attacks and stuff. Because you know, you see the, the, the comments about how the right is, is the, the perpetrators of most political violence and they always stop, they always started at like 1975. They never go back to 65.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Phil Labonte]

Because.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, sorry, good. Iger left the Democratic Party in 2016. Hey.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He dropped his, his party affiliation to independent, however. Doesn't mean a lot. But I have to imagine that, you know, they say online he described himself as a centrist. I think, I think it's fairly obvious.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I'd like to think so.

[Tim Pool]

I think we should expect to see more terror because the left is basically saying right now, terror works. The fact that Jimmy Kimmel is coming back on the air, they've asserted the threat of death. It works. And what's crazy is the thought leaders, the movers and the shakers of the Democratic Party and the left don't need to get their own hands dirty because they've got a bunch of stochastic terrorists. Or I should say they are the stochastic terrorists invoking the terrorism. They are the people going on TV and saying, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest? And then people go and do it.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look, just like Oren was saying today on your, your interview with him, you need the federal government to do its job. Right? Like, we don't, we don't have a system where people can take things, take these issues into their own hands. And even if you hired private investigators or private security, you still need law enforcement to actually do the grabbing of the bad guys. Right. Like for it to be legal. You could have private investigators, private security. They might be able to hold someone if they catch them, but it's going to be law enforcement that's going to pick them up. And it's going to take a, a Justice Department that actually does want to lower the amount of violent crime that's happening. And I don't know that we have that yet. We have a lot of judges that'll let people go. We have a lot of, a lot of DAs that don't want to prosecute. And that's one of the biggest problems America faces for not just the next couple years, but probably for the next couple decades is how do we get these DAs and these judges to actually put people in jail when they align with the judge politically?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, I mean, the sad thing is in this case, when you have these organizations like MSNBC just radicalizing grandfathers across the country. I mean, no matter what laws you have on the books and even if you're enforcing them, you can't stop some MSNBC American from crashing out and shooting up an ABC studio. I mean, it's just in the environment we're in is like we need a, we need a top down cultural change as well.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Tate Brown]

Because this is just completely unacceptable. You have these atomized, these atomized boomers that, I mean, they feel like Jimmy Kimmel is this victim of a fascist government crackdown. And they need to do something about it. I mean, and they made it up. Yeah. Like, what laws could you pass to prevent that from happening?

[Tim Pool]

I mentioned this earlier, that I went on Piers Morgan today and every single person was like, the FCC did this to Jimmy. And I was like, that's nowhere in the reporting. Nowhere. Literally not reported anywhere. The FCC actually had in any way contact. And, you know, Cat Tip's argument was, so are you saying it's a coincidence? And I'm like, honest question for you guys. Do you think that Bob Iger was watching the Benny Johnson podcast?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know anymore. Anything's possible.

[Tim Pool]

I'd say probably not.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I do think that his. His statements which made it to the news probably trickled its way into the conversation. But that wasn't in the ear of. Of Dana Walden or Bob Iger. What was in their ear was that advertisers called them and were up and were upset and so were affiliates. I don't. And so, you know, with all due respect to Benny, I do think the FCC thing was big and it played a role. But they have to say this because the story has to be about Trump. It can't just be that Disney was like, we don't want to lose money, so you're fired.

[Shane Cashman]

What are the odds? You think? This is going to sound like a crazy statement, but I'm going to say it anyway. That Kimmel comes out and tries to do something unifying. I mean, he can't because he's horrible.

[Tim Pool]

The reporting is. He won't apologize, even if that.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, I know he won't apologize, but I feel like there's a small percentage that he's going to try. It won't work.

[Tim Pool]

I think what he's going to say is he's going to. So what's the guy's name? The guy was on the piers. John Fugle sang or something. I'm not trying to mispronounce his name on purpose. He was saying that Jimmy Kimmel was 100% factually correct, that MAGO was trying to paint this man as anything but a MAGA guy. What he's saying is that, no, no, we know he wasn't maga. And those Trump supporters real were trying real hard to make sure everybody else did, too. But that's not the implication being made by Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy Kimmel, the way he said it was. They tried, I'm paraphrasing, but really hard to make people believe he wasn't anything but one of their own. The implication, of course, Being he was, Jimmy Kimmel's gonna come out and say, the point that I made on my show was that we know this guy wasn't a MAGA guy, and boy, were Trump supporters trying real hard to make sure everybody heard that. He's not going to apologize, but he is gonna say, I had already issued a statement saying the shooting was horrible, so this was in no way intended to offend anybody and it was taken out of proportion. Then I think he's going to criticize Trump supporters for intentionally twisting his words for political reasons. He's gonna say, Trump's base did this. They knew what I meant and they did this to try and get my show canceled. He's then gonna attack the FCC and say they intentionally targeted the networks. I believe that's what it'll say, something to that effect. So it will be somewhat of. Of course the shooting is bad, but the reason why I think that maybe I'm wrong is because that's what every liberal, mainstream liberal's trying to do right now. Of course Charlie Kirk shouldn't die, but he was evil, right? So why wouldn't he do anything different? Yeah, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, Camel saw Colbert, how he got the, you know, king treatment. Oh, you're, you're this martyr. You're, you know, you're stomped all over by this authoritarian government. Of course Camel wants that. He's not going to fumble that. That's a once in a week opportunity because this is going to last two days and then we won't hear about it. But, yeah, he's not gonna, he's not gonna let that slip through his fingers. He has the chance to be the martyr.

[Shane Cashman]

We shouldn't be surprised. Also, he is a ghoul who is mocking the unvaccinated just a few years ago. I mean, this guy is a nightmare.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, I'm not going to speak for anybody else, but he did work for a network where his friend was the announcer, and the network fired his friend for not getting the vaccine. And the funny thing about Shout out to Dickie Barrett. Money, money. Boss Tones and the Defiant. That's who he's with. The Defiant. He worked remote. He didn't. He didn't go in the studio and they said, get vaccinated, but I work from home. And they're like, we don't care.

[Phil Labonte]

That's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. Yeah. And then Jimmy Kimmel went on his show and said, here's an idea. If you're dying and you go to the hospital vaccinated, right? This Way not vaccinated. Sorry, wheezy, there's the door. Wow. Basically saying you should just die.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's. It's ridiculous. And that. That was, you know, the. The callousness with the way that he treated people that, you know, didn't want to get vaccinated. I don't. I don't see how. I don't see why anyone should consider him a good faith actor at all. And, you know, so the fact that he's coming back, I think is a.

[Tim Pool]

Big l. You know, Disney's in trouble. They all. The past several Marvel movies have flopped miserably. They've really burned that. That franchise Star Wars. Wow. I mean, look, I can pull up Disney plus and I can. I can see everything wrong. They're just lighting all their IP on fire. It's. It's terrible.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There's actually this pretty big story that, you know, we don't really cover this stuff. Do you guys know that Disney actually just deleted. Erased a bunch of shows and movies permanently, Forever. You can never see them again.

[Phil Labonte]

Really? Yeah.

[Augustus Dorico]

Which ones?

[Tim Pool]

I can look up a list, but.

[Augustus Dorico]

Like, what was the motivation to delete all?

[Tim Pool]

Save space. And because they were. They were owned by Disney, they are not carried anywhere else.

[Shane Cashman]

That's what they did with the moon files.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Shane Cashman]

Is NASA running Disney?

[Tate Brown]

Dude, if. If Trump and RFK can truly, you know, find the cure for autism, Star wars franchise is in serious trouble. Beyond. That's beyond epic news.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

They're not getting Tylenol ads anymore.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, Star wars has been dead for a long time. Yeah, I. I haven't watched anything Star wars in a long time. And I was. When I was a kid, I was very.

[Tate Brown]

They don't make. Yeah, they don't even make toys for kids anymore. It's for like millennials.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Toy lineals actually the correct term.

[Tim Pool]

So they apparently they've done. They do this. Have they done it before or not? I can't tell. All I know is. Okay, so they may periodically do this. This is actually kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah. They're Disney plus exclusive shows is kind of the weirdest thing because we've never actually had something like this happen. One example is Willow, the. The series based on the movie with. Who's the. The actor. Famous guy.

[Phil Labonte]

He's based on Willow, the movie. Willow, like the.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm just gonna say Peter Dinklit.

[Tim Pool]

Warwick Davis. Okay. Oh, I know.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Legendary actor. He's in everything. He was in the Willow movie. They did a show about It.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So the crazy thing is, I'm sure there are, here's, here's the thing. There are shows that are short lived. You can find them. Yeah, you can, you can look up old, old tape archives of like a show that got seven episodes and then just got pulled or whatever. You go, wow, didn't even know about that. It's crazy that we're in an era now where Disney's like, no one can stream this but us. And then they're like, let's delete it. And now it's gone literally forever.

[Shane Cashman]

It's like a Mandela effect, right? Actually happening. It's like the Shaq movie that I learned.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I'm going to say this real quick before we go to the next segment, but we now have proof that we're in a simulation. Okay, this is the seahorse emoji.

[Phil Labonte]

The seahorse emoji.

[Tim Pool]

There isn't one.

[Shane Cashman]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever seen a seahorse emoji?

[Shane Cashman]

There's a Bill Gates pregnant one, sure.

[Tim Pool]

But have you ever seen the seahorse emoji?

[Shane Cashman]

I haven't.

[Tim Pool]

Ask any AI. Ask any AI and see what happens.

[Shane Cashman]

This is how they mess with us.

[Augustus Dorico]

Is it going to print a seahorse emoji?

[Tim Pool]

No, it's going to say it's going to give you. They're all going to give you the exact time and date of when the seahorse emoji was added to the Unicode base and then fail to produce it and then start having a heart attack and going schizo saying, I don't understand why it won't appear. I know it exists. And when all of the AI programs say it does exist, it was made. But then you go online and it's not there.

[Shane Cashman]

CERN has been on.

[Tate Brown]

I asked Grok and it just said, they showed me the dolphin emoji.

[Tim Pool]

So they asked ChatGPT.

[Tate Brown]

Lied.

[Augustus Dorico]

ChatGPT gave me unicorn and horse.

[Tim Pool]

And then. But what did it say?

[Augustus Dorico]

I told it, print seahorse emoji. And then it said, are you looking for conch shell or seal? Here is the actual seahorse emoji. And then it's fish, unicorn. And then correction. Oh, and then it goes, correction, it's actually coral unicorn. And then it goes, the actual seahorse emoji is fish unicorn. Oh, it did spaz out.

[Tim Pool]

It spazzes out. And then ask it when it was added. And all of the AIs will give you a comparable answer. In June of 2014, Unicode Base updated with the seahorse emoji. But Google it and they'll all Tell you it never existed and you're crazy.

[Shane Cashman]

Has anyone checked if seahorses are still out there in the world?

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Shane Cashman]

Right now? Maybe they've disappeared.

[Tim Pool]

What is out in the world?

[Shane Cashman]

Seahorse.

[Tim Pool]

Like a horse.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, I see what you're doing, Tim. I don't like it.

[Tim Pool]

All right. All right. Anyway, back to news. Back to news. Here we go. From the post. Millennial actually. Let's talk about that later. Sinclair canceled airing tribute to Charlie Kirk after ABC stations got v Violent threats. Postman reporting. Sinclair Broadcast Group scrapped its plans to air a tribute to Charlie Kirk after multiple violent threats were directed at local ABC affiliate stations. According to a report from the New York Post last week, Sinclair was set to air the special on its affiliate stations, but abruptly announced it was polled and would be available on a YouTube link. The TV giant, which owns over 40 local ABC affiliate stations, was facing local threats directed at specific local ABC stations resulting from the ABC suspension at the time of the polling. The honor special Sinclair posted tonight. We will air. Can we will. Sinclair will continue to air ABC network programming as scheduled in the late night time period. The Charlie Kirk special will instead be available on the national News Decks Newsdesk YouTube channel, ensuring viewers can continue to enjoy the ABC programming. Now, in response to the statement from ABC that Jimmy Kimmel is coming back, they said this at 7:16 beginning Tuesday night, Sinclair will be preempting Jimmy Kimmel live across our ABC affiliate stations and replacing it with news programming. Discussions with ABC are ongoing as we evaluate the show's potential return. I think it's, it's, it's fairly obvious the motivation behind all of these things. Listen, Sinclair said they were pulling Jimmy Kimmel and they were going to air a tribute to Charlie Kirk. The political alignment there is obvious. Leftists then threatened to murder them and so they said back the F up guys. I got to say the idea that we are not. You ready for it? Heading for Shane.

[Shane Cashman]

Drink real quick.

[Tim Pool]

You want to say the words civil war? Oh, Shane said it, not me. So nobody gets a drink when we are at a time when a. A network says a man was just murdered. It's one of the most substantive meteoric political moments of our lifetimes. He was, he was killed in cold blood in front of his wife and children at a political rally for trying to speak. And you can't air a tribute because there. Because the left is threatening to murder you. I think it's time for a. A cold wake up call for regular people. We are two. We're, we're not even two weeks from the murder of Charlie Kirk again in front of his family. And the left has already, I should say left aligned individuals have already shot up an ABC station and threatened death and terror against others. So it is, it is fairly obvious they are proud of what they do, they are celebrating what they do and they are continuing to do it. The only response that makes sense, of course, is federal law enforcement. Donald Trump's FBI arrested the guy who shot up the ABC Sacramento station. He needs to use the full force of federal law enforcement to go after every single one of these leftists and liberals who are sending death threats and they must go to prison. Yeah, the left will respond by saying this proves Trump's a fascist and they will escalate their already terror campaigns. I don't see an off ramp being possible and I will stress it again because I wish this were not the case. I would very much rather put on the the WPT poker. You know, poker tournaments. Watch some pros dish out some chips while I order Papa John stuffed crust pizza. Shout out Doe Tolle man. I love those videos where he's like I'm going to put chicken nuggets in the crust of my pizza. That is paradise. But we can't have that because a man who was left aligned murdered Charlie Kirk. Liberals, and I don't mean leftists, liberals celebrated this, lied about the shooter. Democrats defended it when we got mad and said that is not okay. Disney said, we're going to take this guy off the air because he's refusing to apologize. Charlie Sinclair said, we'll put up a tribute for Charlie Kirk, a man who was murdered, who did nothing wrong. And within a day the death threats and terror threats against Sinclair were so great they pulled the memorial. I the left is not going to stop.

[Shane Cashman]

I feel like I've been thinking a lot about what we were talking about last week. You described a series of events that would look like a civil war, pockets of violence throughout the country and I just can't get out of my head that we are in that already.

[Tim Pool]

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[Shane Cashman]

And that's what I'm saying. Like, 20, 20 people are home. There's nurses twerking with body bags on TikTok. There's mayors handing out free cheeseburgers for vaccines. You know, there's Chaz and Chop. Children being shot, innocent people being shot. David Dorn shot in the head. Fires everywhere. It feels like that was the beginning of a sustained political violence. Maybe it was easy for some people to forget when we went back to normal, but it never really went back to normal because it feels like reality is just hanging on by a thread.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and even outside of that, I mean, the United States, like, the threshold Americans have for violence is actually quite high. I mean, for the longest time, we've dealt with. I mean, you see headline after headline out of Chicago, you know, dozens killed over the weekend, and everyone's like, yeah, well, that's Chicago. Like, our threshold for violence. I mean, you go to Netflix, the top shows are like, murder mysteries and, you know, the behind the scenes of terrorist attacks. So we just live in a very violent society, and everyone's just kind of used to it. So it's, like, only natural that the political theater would go kinetic because everything else in American life's gone kinetic.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, the weird thing about that, you're right. There is a lot of violence in the United States, but it's in such pockets that, like, most people don't actually experience it. You know, it's like most of your people that. Most people that are in the burbs or even people that live in, you know, if you don't live around a certain neighborhood in a handful of cities, you're not gonna. You're likely to not ever experience the kind of violence that you see in urban areas in the US for the most part, it doesn't even touch people. But you're right, it does desensitize Americans. So that way, it's like, you hear this stuff. You hear this stuff, and it becomes. Well, that's just the way that it is.

[Tate Brown]

Well, yeah, people are desensitized. Cause if you live in a, you know, like Memphis and you're in a suburb, you know, the entire city is off limits. And it's like, why is that? Well, because it's exceptionally violent. And we're just used to that. We just accept that even though we're in the wealthiest, most powerful country in human history. And violence, I mean, mass violence is just sort of like. It's not accepted. It's just. Yeah, that's just part of life. That's part of American life.

[Augustus Dorico]

But then do you something about the murder of Irina, I don't know how to pronounce her last name. Zarudska and Charlie Kirk like that. I was talking earlier about this. That feels like it was the first mass trauma event for Gen Z. Like nobody remembers the Twin Towers falling but that like, sure, fine, we played Call of Duty when we were growing up and maybe we don't like understand violence because of that. That feels like the first time I've ever been sensitized to not desensitize, but sensitized to the reality of political violence in the US Like I think that there's more people now, or at least zoomers that feel as though there is like imminent threat of violence all of the time. And a lot of people in tech say something to the effect of like, well, it's actually just like Chinese bots or Russian bots, sewing division. I don't think that there is as large a majority of like common sense, reasonable people in the middle that don't believe in violence. I think it's way more people on both sides or at least on the left for sure that like are very willing to commit violence. And people on the right now that are very aware of the threat of political violence.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well that's kind of been the. The left has always been more comfortable with violence. And they look at, it's my opinion, it's my opinion, they look at violence like a dial. And the right looks at it like a switch. Yeah, they look at it like a switch. So the right doesn't want to be violent. They don't think that violence is useful. They think that violence only means more violence. And so they do everything they can to avoid being violent, whereas the left has no problem going out and rioting. And you see it, you saw it in 2016 when Donald Trump was elected. Everyone, you know, there was a bunch of riots all over the place. They ripped up DC you saw it obviously in 2020 when with the summer 11, whatever and what have you and you see it regularly. Everyone knows that had a right leaning person killed a prominent person on the left, there would have been riots. There would have been absolute chaos in a lot of places in the U.S. and this isn't, this is, this is completely obvious to everybody.

[Tim Pool]

We are now facing the greatest test of our civilization, that is the United States. This is Donald Trump designating antifa as a domestic terrorist organization is putting this country to the test. And that is with this executive order. YouTube, good x Facebook. They're going to have to ban all of these people posting these images. It is now a violation of of of the law. Depending on what happens with this Executive Order, there's a question that will be asked as the Krasnsteins post that they are antifa, as many prominent liberals post the flag and say they are antifa. If social media companies say that is fine. That means a large portion of our domestic infrastructure tech infrastructure economy is telling the federal government they are illegitimate. Now lawsuits with a stay. That would be interesting. But there's a very real question now. Declaration of a Terrorist Organization. You cannot go on YouTube and post ISIS stuff. They'll ban you. And there's arguments that you could be charged for providing support to a terrorist organization. Here's what the White House executive order says Section 1 Antifa is a terrorist Threat ANTIFA is a militarist anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States government, law enforcement authorities and our system of law. It uses illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide to accomplish these goals. This campaign involves coordinated efforts to obstruct enforcement of federal laws through armed standoffs with law enforcement, organized riots, violent assaults, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other law enforcement officers, and routine doxing of and other threats against political figures and activists. ANTIFA recruits, trains, and radicalizes young Americans to engage in this violence and suppression of political activity that employs elaborate means and mechanisms to shield the identities of its operatives, conceal its funding sources and operations in an effort to to frustrate law enforcement and recruit additional members. Individuals associated with and acting on behalf of ANTIFA further coordinate with other organizations and entities for the purpose of spreading, fomenting and advancing political violence and suppressing lawful political speech. This organized effort, designed to achieve political objectives by coercion and intimidation is domestic terrorism. Because of the aforementioned pattern of political violence designed to suppress lawful political activity and obstruct the rule of law, hereby designate ANTIFA as a domestic terrorist organization. All relevant Executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations, especially those involving terrorist actions, conducted by ANTIFA or any person claiming to act on behalf of ANTIFA or for which ANTIFA or any person claiming to act on behalf of ANTIFA provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutory actions, against those who fund such operations. They say. General Provisions this order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law. This order is not intended to and does not create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or inequity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person. This order shall be published in the Federal Register. Donald J. Trump. Now, the reality of this is it actually does very little formally. Trump may now say that they're going to target people flying the Antifa symbol, citing that as probable cause that they may be associated with other organizations that are funding violent riots and things like this. So RICO is what they're probably looking at for some of these NGOs that are providing various types of support for these acts of terror. Socially. Trump has said these are terrorists. Your move, YouTube. Will. Will YouTube start taking down people who claim that they are? Will Elon Musk.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that the administration is going to actually have to apply a little bit of pressure. They're going to have to let these organizations know that this is not just for posturing, this is serious, that they're going to be looking to involve the doj. But I imagine that just a little bit of pressure from the feds, from the doj, and, you know, your, your X, your Facebook, they'll, they'll fall in line pretty quickly because they were kissing Trump's ring as soon as Trump was, you know, likely to become elected.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, like, the problem here is obviously you can't. There's no legal mechanism for a domestic terrorist organization. You have foreign, obviously, but there's nothing for domestic. But what this can do is sort of reorient the IC towards antifa. You're basically put putting Antifa on the radar of, like, the FBI. So now the FBI can conduct surveillance and clandestine operations to collect information. You can, you know, now you can redirect everyone for civil suits. RICO obviously puts RICO on the table. So, I mean, yeah, like Tim's saying, I mean, unfortunately, there's not really a mechanism he's activating here, but this is more of a warning shot saying, hey, everyone, yeah, let's concentrate fire here on antifa.

[Augustus Dorico]

But, but this came out today, like, let's say that they're going to try to figure out, okay, it's either YouTube and X's move to implement something proactively, or somebody in the federal government, Stephen Miller or otherwise, has to figure out how to implement this with existing laws. Like, the window of opportunity for doing something with a political mandate is almost over already. Right. Like it should have been if this was going to be implemented last week that there was the warning shot, and then this week there should actually be a full solution rolled out because, what, in another week from now, you know, Jimmy Kimmel having been lionized, a bunch of the people that would have been canceled now having been lionized as well. The blowback is only going to become greater and greater as time goes on without implementation of anything to this effect. Like, I basically think it's this week or something else horrible has to happen before anybody's going to care.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, you would have to get Congress on board to pass any sort of legislation so they could like start freezing funds, basically treating them like a foreign. Because we have a lot of laws in the books for foreign terrorist organizations. But I mean, like you said, the mandates kind of expiring. I don't know how much heat's on Congress to really get anything across the finish line here. That's what, that's what you would need. You need, you know, everybody on board. But I mean, yeah, I mean, it is promising, I suppose, but I totally agree. This should have been a week ago and this is the week we should have been, you know, implementing a lot of offensive.

[Shane Cashman]

Quick, who do we talk to about throwing the Krasenstein's in alligator? Alcatraz?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Definitely El Salvador.

[Shane Cashman]

That's fine. Somalia.

[Tim Pool]

I don't actually want them to go to jail for being silly little liberals. But there is a question about support for antifa with Trump's declaration and I do have questions about how, how you handle this. My argument would be from this point forward, all statements made would be bannable offenses. I have the rules here from Google. Featured policies Violent extremism. Content produced by or in support of terrorist organizations is prohibited on YouTube including content that promotes terrorism by glorifying terroristic acts or inciting violence. Terrorist organizations are also prohibited from using YouTube for any purpose, including recruitment. So I have a video here. Oh, wow. Actually, I'm going to pull up this one instead because it's our good friend Hassan Hasan's scared. Take a look at this video. This video is titled I am an anti fascist. He did not say I'm antifa. Hassan Piker, you see him put on a MAGA hat. So there are a bunch of videos that I was going to pull up where they say I am antifa and things like this or they bring on people purported to be antifa and they. It makes them look good. Hassan's scared. Yeah, he's saying I'm anti. I'm an anti fascist. That's a very specific term. Antifa is a. Is. Is not the same thing. Now the question is, will he fly that flag? Point being, I believe that with this declaration from Trump. YouTube must now delete all of these videos. They have to. If there's a lawsuit after the fact, perhaps they can return them. But for right now, this is the question. If YouTube does not delete them, that shows that. That our, our social order is formally bifurcated. The example being when the Biden DOJ falsely accused my show of being funded by Russians, for which there was never any evidence, and they closed it without ever presenting evidence. YouTube deleted all of the episodes off of YouTube only from that period. So here's the thing. The culture war show existed before Tenet, during and after YouTube deleted every segment of that show. The clips we do like 10 minute clips from the period by which we had a licensing deal with Tenet Media. There was never any evidence provided there was never any claim of supporting terrorism or anything like that. YouTube just deleted some 400 segments. In December of last year, the DOJ dropped the investigation, said they would no longer pursue it, presented no evidence. In April of this year, the DOJ completely closed the case. There's never anything there. Nothing there. It was fake from the get go. If YouTube is going to do that on behalf of the Biden doj, why would they not take down Antifa after a terrorist declaration? If they don't, and the presumption is they won't, I bet they will not do it. We already knew that. Our social order is fractured, totally bifurcated. But this is massive. Donald Trump under legitimacy of government is saying, this is terrorism. Here's the declaration. And YouTube has banned violent extremism.

[Shane Cashman]

I won't be surprised if they don't. I mean, look how they. All the tech companies coordinate against Alex Jones years ago for just asking questions. And then what you're saying with Tenet, I have a feeling they're not going to do it because they're so aligned. I know they're trying to get in Trump's good graces and they have, they're having dinners with them, but I have no faith in these companies.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think that the DOJ would be able to apply pressure or do you think that the DOJ wouldn't apply pressure and that's why they wouldn't do anything?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know. I don't know. They might, but I don't know if these companies are almost bigger than the government, you know, like they've been in charge and getting money from all the administrations for.

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[Tim Pool]

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[Shane Cashman]

They're their own country to some degree with their own reality. So I don't know if pressure will do it unless, but you know, Biden did pressure them, but it's because they were so aligned. So I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

See, I, I mean I'm not sure exactly how far Trump's willing to go, but I do think that just, you know, DOJ sending a letter like that is, that makes people, you know, wake up and say, oh, this might actually land me in a congressional hearing. This might actually have DOJ have sent people out to start an investigation and no company wants that. No matter how big the company is. The federal government can make their lives absolutely terrible. They can make it difficult to do, you know, to, to do day to day business. I don't think that, I don't think that the, the influence of just the DOJ saying hey, we want to, we want to see some results here. This is a law, you know, this is an actual, this is actually enforceable. So you need to do something and you need to prove that you're actually going to do this or we're going to look at you for supporting material support for terrorism.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean it'd be interesting to see the difference because they're going to outwardly say that the DOJ to the companies allegedly, meanwhile the Biden used the back, Biden administration used the backdoor to strong arm Zuckerberg to censor all these people among other platforms and they did it. So be interesting to see so the difference.

[Phil Labonte]

So what are you saying? You're saying that because I think they're political, you believe they're mostly politically aligned with the left. You think that they would go ahead and say, well we'll talk to the DOJ and we'll make it look like we're doing it, but we won't actually.

[Shane Cashman]

Because I didn't really buy their rebranding into being MAGA this go around. I think it's just a front.

[Augustus Dorico]

Well, they're still left aligned and there's this political reality, right, like how did Trump win? A variety of ways, but in no small part because of like the David Sachs fundraiser where he got tech bought into donating to the campaign and then Elon's participation in Pennsylvania. Right. So if the doj, if the doj were to pressure tech, right, Then this unlikely alliance that was instrumental in the fundraising for all of the GOP probably instantaneously implodes. And then like the next election, the midterms, whatever, whatever, that, that donor base is gone. And then what's the coalition left?

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Augustus Dorico]

Like it's this very strange synthesis between Silicon Valley and like the traditional GOP that exists now. And that might disincentivize them from doing any.

[Shane Cashman]

Because I don't trust them. I don't trust Altman, I don't trust Zuckerberg. A lot of these people, the Hoffman's, a lot of the people who were at Project Stargate because just a few years ago they were censoring me and my friends off of platforms for saying things they didn't believe.

[Tim Pool]

You want to know? It's funny, guys, just real quick, as an aside, do you guys remember how last week I said that I believe that they were coded weights placed on this channel and others.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Preventing them. Literally. Like a day after I said that, I started getting notifications again. So I have an alert set up for my YouTube channels when, when there's, when there's mention made of Tim Cast or any Timcast affiliated brand, I have Google alerts for it. These YouTube videos will never appear. It means they weren't being recommended. Probably about a day after I said there are probably legacy censorship way to attach to these channels. The next day I get, I get an email with a Google alert showing 10 different recommendations my videos were appearing in.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep, someone's listening.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there was also a few years ago you could not Google search any of my channels. And what would come up instead was playlists about my channels. And if you actually typed in the full title of one of my videos, you would not actually get the video. Give you Facebook instead. And then I mentioned it on irl and literally during the show, people were like, holy crap, it's gone. I just searched for it first. It wasn't there. I refreshed and now it's back. And you can now search for my.

[Shane Cashman]

Channel because for years, yeah, you type Tim Cass into YouTube and it was nothing. It wouldn't be now. It has changed. I noticed that recently. So that's, that's a good sign, I guess.

[Tim Pool]

I will say one thing that's very strange is without naming any of these channels, there are some channels that I searched for on the Liberal side, and they're not coming up. Indeed. I wonder if it's a similar weight place on a lot of political channels. Liberal or conservative didn't matter. I don't know. Yeah, but therein lies the big question with this designation. Will our social order react as though this is legitimate or illegitimate? And if they react as though it's illegitimate and do not respond the way they're supposed to respond, what's Trump gonna do? This is the fear, right? So I was talking with Wilt Chamberlain a while ago about why the Supreme Court is unwilling. This was specifically the Texas v. Pennsylvania case in 2020, and only Alito and Thomas were willing to actually take up the case. It's state versus state, so that's called original jurisdiction. And Texas was challenging Pennsylvania's unilateral altering of their election laws, saying it's unconstitutional, and if they are violating their rules, this. This election is unfair. The other five justices refused to take it up. I asked Will, why, why wouldn't they do it? And he said, the Supreme Court is, Is concerned about taking up cases that require enforcement ability that they don't have. Because if people realize that the Supreme Court doesn't actually have the ability to enforce their rulings, that it's over for the Supreme Court. So typically they take up things where it gets sent back to the states to enforce at their level, but if they handle something state versus state, and Pennsylvania says, screw yourself. The Supreme Court has no force, no law enforcement, no military apparatus. They can't do anything about it. The issue here with Trump, and a lot of people are saying, Trump should do this, Trump should do that. There's a reason why Trump is going slow. If Trump got into office and the first thing he did was announce he was going to arrest Democrats, it wouldn't work. Many of these individuals in law enforcement would be like, I don't know, man. Like, this is crazy. I'm not gonna do it. And then Trump would be shown to be the emperor with no clothes. Nothing would happen, and he'd be impotent forever. That's why many people have been saying he's going slow about it. He needs to build it up to this point where there are various criminal charges and the arrest of these individuals seem to be more commonplace. Like Letitia James over her mortgage fraud stuff. This is a step off the cliff. Donald Trump designating antifa, terror, terrorist organization, is now putting pressure on all social media, television, big tech, et cetera. Emails now have to be turned over. Like, if, if so, I. I already, I already Searched. There's a ton of social media accounts across the board that are dedicated antifa accounts posting antifa propaganda. All their DMs need to be turned over. Not a law enforcement Is, is Elon going to do that? Is he going to say that all these antifa accounts now, people flying the flag, the Krasenstein's, you don't got to arrest the Krasnsteins or put them in jail or ban them. The designation happened now, but certainly wouldn't he have to turn over their communications as terrorists?

[Phil Labonte]

What would be the input? What would be the benefit for him not doing it?

[Tim Pool]

If he, if he doesn't do it? It's not just about Elon Musk, it's about what would the benefit be for him to not do it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, like if Trump's, if Trump or the DOJ is like, look, we know there are a bunch of antifa affiliated accounts, send us their, their logs, blah, blah, blah.

[Tim Pool]

And so it's not. So I think that question is kind of weird. There is a detriment to doing it. The benefit would be nothing changes for him in terms of the structure of his business. The fear would be that liberals will dump the platform more than they already have. But then the other concern is if he doesn't do it, he's in violation of Trump. He just sat down with the man and shook his hand. Trump's saying they're terrorists. Yeah, he's got, okay, Trump has made this declaration. Now, by all means, they will sue. I imagine someone's gonna sue. But here's the funny thing. You know why they can't, you know why you can't do anything about it? Antifa's not an organization.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, if you, if he's like, hey, we want the logs for, you know, Rose City Antifa. There are people that, indeed, Rose City.

[Tim Pool]

Can file a lawsuit as an organization. But the general distinction, when he declares Antifa as a terrorist organization, they have already made the argument there is no representative Antifa. They're in a weakened position. Now if these big tech companies and just any company, if a motel, if they refuse to turn over this information, not so much. But the big tech is the big important one. Because if YouTube keeps up these antifa videos, if Instagram keeps up these accounts, they are outright saying Trump's authority doesn't mean anything.

[Shane Cashman]

I think Elon's problem will be determining who actually he should turn over for the DMs, because it could just be trolls putting up a flag who have no part of anything.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the government's going to make a request and say we're looking for these accounts, and Elon can choose to fight or not fight it. The thing is declaring Antifa a terror organization. There is no one who has standing in court. Rose City, Antifa, being one of the most notorious named brands of Antifa, are a specific group. They might be able to sue and argue that as an antifa flag bearer, they are lumped into this. Sure, we'll see. The ACLU may try and take this up. In the meantime, pending any kind of injunction, which, of course, there's already been a stay on these universal injunctions. This is gonna get very, very interesting. The pressure now put on these big tech platforms is they have to just comply. I'll tell you this, you know, I want to see if YouTube does not take down these accounts. I think Trump should go make some arrests. Or I think because it's a corporation, there should be like civil fines and forced testimony and things like that.

[Shane Cashman]

Arrest too.

[Tim Pool]

That's the question. Right. When it comes to a corporation, I suppose it goes down to the CEO, and the CEO's gonna be like, look, I don't even handle that. I don't even know who's involved in that. That's why it's difficult to arrest someone over something like this. Typically, you find the company and force it into compliance, which I think makes the most sense.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, Google. Google has played ball, like in Georgia with the Stop Cop City thing. It was like, 2023 is the Georgia. Georgia has a specific state law for terrorism, domestic terrorism. And that's what they use to source emails and data from Google. And they were going after, like, organizers, so people that were just providing funding and that sort of thing. So, I mean, at the state level, there is precedent that Google will play ball if they're, if they're. If you're, you know, using a mechanism of law that's on the books, Trump has to find that. That's the problem.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I don't think that the. I don't think that there are. Are so many CEOs that are really ideologically committed to leftism. Right. Like, there are some people in particularly middle management people and people that work at these companies that are committed.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Phil Labonte]

But the people that are higher ups, the people that actually have something to really lose if they don't comply with the doj. I don't know that they're really committed Antifa. I'm sure there are a handful of them that are. But, like, I don't think Zuckerberg is Committed to an ideol ideology. I don't think that he's a leftist.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't think he's a human.

[Tim Pool]

Ah.

[Augustus Dorico]

I think he's a human.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, Augustus, please don't even start.

[Phil Labonte]

Shane has a magical ability to derail counter conversations with his truth, saying he's.

[Shane Cashman]

A reptile who hates Americans and freedom.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, when he was, you know, when he was coming up, he was fairly libertarian. And his argument that that's what he should have been doing, I do think that that's. That's honest. Like I said, when the Biden DOJ was making, you know, was. Was making phone calls, that puts a lot of pressure on you. You know, these companies, they have to worry about all of the immense power that the federal government has. So I don't think that he would. He would choose.

[Shane Cashman]

He's lied under testimony.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that he would choose to do things for one. One administration and not for another on an ideological basis.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't think he's beholden to politics. I think he's beholden to his power.

[Phil Labonte]

And his evil money.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And he's lied under testimony about the algorithm, her harming little girls. You know, like the algorithm picking up on. If a young girl deletes a selfie, then the algorithm, though, she must be sad, so we should sell her something. This is like evil stuff. And that's just a little part of the evil stuff. Why? I think he's inhuman.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, I mean, I. I don't. I'm not trying to convince you that he's not. Yeah, because I know that.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm just. By saying that, I'm saying that he's not beholden to polish. And I agree with you.

[Phil Labonte]

He's holding the point that I'm making.

[Shane Cashman]

He's beholden to something bigger, like.

[Phil Labonte]

And what. And power it would be. And the metaverse. If there's anybody that can take power away from. If there's any organization that can, it would be the federal government, because they actually do have the ability to say, all right, we're going to start investigating you. We're going to put a stop to this. We're going to put a stop to this. We're going to have all these. These indictments or these. These investigations. It's going to make his life a nightmare. That's the reason why he's going to be like, all right, I'm going to play ball. Not because he's a good guy, not because he's not a reptile or whatever, but because he doesn't want to have to deal with all of the bad things that come along with. With the federal. With not complying with the federal government. What does he care if there's a handful of users that are. That are politically left, that have. Commit. Have a commitment to their ideology? What does he care if they get it wrapped up? He's talking about the entire entire planet, Right. Like he's looking to have. His goals are far bigger than just than what the, you know, what antifa's after. So he would turn them over. It's my opinion that he would turn them over in an instant. Whether or not he's a good guy. Doesn't have to be a good guy to do that.

[Shane Cashman]

The precedence is there. He'll do it because he did it already.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I want to pull up the story from the Post Millennial. The first thing I want to say is, you know, Don Lemon, he's melting down over the Charlie Kirk Memorial. A lot of liberals are. The first thing I want to say is the Charlie Kirk Memorial is one of the greatest days in the history of this country. It's estimated over 100 million people watch. And that was just in the first day. The full calculation isn't out yet. Powerful speech. Speeches to honor a man whose life was cut short, a good man who fought for making this country better, for unity. And it was a lot of people coming together. It was people waking up. Estimates of, I think, 200,000 people being there in person. The response from people like Don Lemon and the left was to call it a Nazi rally. They are now upping the ante. Prominent liberals are doubling down, saying that Charlie Kirk should have been in jail. Even this one woman, who I will not give her the credit of saying her name, says that for his speech, Charlie should be in jail. No joke. A prominent liberal. All right, I'll just say Rebecca Jones, she tweeted that Charlie should have been in jail for a speech. Simultaneously, while liberals are lamenting Jimmy Kimmel's firing, He's back. I guess they're saying Jimmy Kimmel's fired. Our free speech. But Charlie should be in jail. That's what they're saying. The escalation that we have seen in the past two weeks is very worrying. Okay, let me just. Let me just spell it out. It was this. This event was put on nine days. Nine days, I believe it said it was after the death of Charlie Cook. The murder, the assassination. He was killed in cold blood by a guy who, according to the evidence, said he. He. You couldn't negotiate with Charlie's hate. The left celebrated. They said nobody would care about Charlie Kirk. They panicked, tried blaming groipers. They are now shooting up ABC stations, threatening more ABC stations with terror because of the firing of Jimmy Kimmel, because Jimmy Kimmel lied about who the shooter was. And they're calling the funeral for Charlie Kirk an innocent man who did nothing wrong, who was murdered in cold blood. They're calling it a Nazi rally. This, it's like three years just happened in a week. Maybe, maybe, maybe everybody was, was politically blue balled from August bored. And so then it just kicked off a month later in an insane way.

[Phil Labonte]

They were calling the, the, what is it, Madison Square Garden rally that Trump did the before the election. They were calling it Nazis. Anytime you get enough conservatives together, they're going to be like, Nazis. They're doing a Nazi rally. I mean it's, it's, it's in, in one ear and out the other. Nowadays, you know, there's no substance to what they're saying. There was someone that was saying, oh look, Stephen Miller, the two was sounded just like gobbles on stage. Talking dragon. Yeah, right. I mean it's just, it's all the same, same regurgitated garbage because they don't have, you know, they don't have anything, any, anything worse to compare them to. And they're all histrionic.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Mostly women.

[Tate Brown]

Oh yeah. Where they were like they, they use AI to translate Stephen Miller's speech into German and they're like, this is so scary.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Because like they were just a World War II brain. Like, that's all they can ever point back to because like you said, historic. So it's just, I mean, him saying it was a religious. And it was religious nationalism on full display. Like what are you trying to invoke there, Don? Are you trying to get more people hurt? Because that's like, that's language that's going to cause people to be violently angry.

[Phil Labonte]

It's absurd. There's a lot of people that are talking about, oh, you know, it's Christian nationalism, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, man, you tried that before the, the election and he was still elected, right? So like this whole like Christian national and this whole Christian nationalism stuff, it only scares leftists.

[Tate Brown]

And he's not saying Christian nationalism like, like what, Stephen Wolf? National Christian nationalism. He's saying religious nationals. He's trying to invoke like Al Qaeda. That's what he's trying to do there. It's very obvious he's trying to terrify You.

[Augustus Dorico]

Handmaid's Tale.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, Handmaid's Tale. So, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Which is not. I mean, again, there I, I even saw people talking about Project 2025 and how this is, this is actually the fruition of Project 2025. I mean, it's all just, it's all just scare tactics to try to get their side worked up. And again, the conservatives don't give them, you know, more than they don't give them any more credibility than just to give them crap on X. Right. That's it. But they want to continue to turn the temperature up, even though, as they swear up and down, that what Donald Trump said is not turning the temperature down. It's like, oh, he's inflaming things, blah, blah, blah. Literally, they spend, you know, all day long and, and all of the talking heads on the left and all of these, these people that even, even up to. And including people like AOC fascists, they're still, they're fascists. Even after Charlie Kirk was, was murdered. They're like lying about what Charlie Kirk said, swearing up and down that it's a Nazi rally, swearing up and down that it's Christian nationalism, that they're just going to make everybody. All women are going to have to wear the red dress and the bonnet and blah, blah, blah, blah, which is all ridiculous. Which most of the women on the left.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the.

[Phil Labonte]

Most of the women on the left, they're saying that it's a terrible idea, but they're thirsty for it. You know, they're just like, God, please pay attention to me. You know, but that's the thing. It's all just histrionics trying to get people riled up in a, In a time, you know, a week after there was just a political murder, there's a guy going and shooting up abc. There was a guy in New Hampshire that killed someone and shot up a wedding because. And he's hollering free Palestine. And that's, you know, leftist garbage. It's all the same. The same. Try to get people as worked up as possible.

[Shane Cashman]

Do you think Don Lemon's just so desperate? Because the amazing thing here is millions of people were served the gospel. You know, like, everyone's hearing about Christ now. It's huge. And my favorite thing that Andrew Colvit tweeted recently was like, he didn't realize what they were doing with these tents across the campuses. It was a revival, right? It was like, yeah, he was talking and it was free speech.

[Tim Pool]

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[Shane Cashman]

And that's great. But above that, it was like an actual tent revival. Charlie went to preach.

[Tim Pool]

This is why I talk about the importance of community all the time and why a lot of the efforts that we have outside of the show is trying to make ways in which people can connect. Like the Discord Server guys, Mamba Collectibles in Martinsburg. It's open. The building is. Is finally open.

[Shane Cashman]

Sick.

[Tim Pool]

I know. The coffee shop's not open yet, so maybe like once he opened, I should have announced that you guys can go play cards and hang out and we're going to be heading over there and working on setting up this show with, for game playing with you and all stuff. The reason is standing next to somebody and making that connection is the most important thing. And church used to do that. Every week everyone in the town would gather together and they would see their neighbors and friends and they would share ideas. And in many instances they did a potluck. The church I went to growing up, they'd have a potluck afterwards. That's why me and my friends would go to church. I gotta be honest, when I was like 10, my friends were like, you wanna go to church? No, but they have free food. So we would, for real. I mean, and it was awesome, like Mac and cheese and pie. But. But the parents, the older people there were like, we got em, you know, like they tricked us and like, I guess so we'd be there by ourselves. When we were young that largely started going away and has still gone away. That's why I was talking about how I want to do that Saturday morning cartoons thing where parents come bring your kids, hang out in the early morning on Saturday to hang out so it doesn't interfere with church, but that community can come together. For those that don't go to church, Charlie was doing that. He was creating spaces where people were all crowding around. And you know what that showed? It showed that the people on those campuses, those young men, there were a ton of other people that agreed with them. I guarantee you, nobody would take this bet against me. Charlie probably made a pair of best friends every single time he went to a campus because there'd be 50 100, 200 people. The crowds were getting huge. And some dude would be like, yeah, but what about this one? What about that? Some guy would hear that and be like, bro, I heard what you were saying, dude. Exactly, that's what I've been saying. And then they were like, yeah, let's, let's, let's talk. Charlie was building community. And when they took his life away, he proved it. You know, it's really crazy. I don't think it's crazy that it took that in nine days. They set this event up. Turning Point USA is based in Arizona. Yeah. And with all due respect, it's a tremendous effort, but they're based in Arizona, they own the stage. And all of this stuff already, it's in storage because they do am fest every year. So they needed only find the labor and pay them a lot of money because you're last minute pay to be like, hey, you know the stage setup we do for section C or whatever, we're going to bring that into the stadium, License the stadium, extenuating circumstances probably moved it very quickly. I'll tell you what the most amazing thing is, is that regular people from across this country with a week's notice flew out and drove out to Arizona. And I'm seeing now that TPUSA is saying they registered around 280,000 unique devices, indicating that's how many people were at that event physically. To get people to be like, I will take off work and I will travel for this shows you the community that Charlie had built and continues to grow. And this, it just skyrocketed.

[Shane Cashman]

It's amazing. It crushes all the desperate talk from the left. I mean, I know there's stuff we got to worry about and they're violent and they're brain dead, but this is so beautiful. You know, Erica's speech was great. That was a very strong speech. And yeah, I mean, we've been to Amfest. Their, their productions are wild. So I wasn't very surprised that they could pull this off that quickly. But it's a lot of people.

[Tim Pool]

It is. You know, it's really funny too is the conspiracy theories. None of them make sense. Don't get me wrong. I think the official story is a little. There's a lot to be questioned in it as well. But there are people that are saying a couple things like there's no way you can pull off an event like this in nine days. That's. That's not true. Let me just say it again. All of the materials for this are sitting in the Back of trucks owned by tpusa just in storage, and they literally like, can we get some drivers and have those trucks drop it all off? Yeah. And the crews that do the construction for these events, they. Did you see the video of them doing security? There's like 300 guys in hard hats and vests pulling the fences up. They got the people to do it. It was amazing. So when they're like, there's no way you can do it, there's videos of them doing it. And I think the most offensive one I saw some people tweeting about it was that they were criticizing Erica for the way she was, quote, unquote, performing. They were saying it appears too scripted. And that. And that criticism is fine. It's that when they claim that, it proves that either Charlie's not dead or someone else killed him is where I think it gets offensive. My response to this is, the woman just lost her husband in front of her, and now you're expecting her to perform in front of 100 million people, which she's never done before. And so the fact that she was able to do it in any capacity was incredible. And to me, looks exactly as what I'd expect it to be like. Yes. She's never done this before. Now you're asking her to go do it. What do you think it's gonna look like? Brad Pitt giving an Oscar worthy performance or something?

[Shane Cashman]

I think there's legitimate questions to have about everything that went on, not with this in particular, but the assassination. But you see X flooded. It's saturated with just easily debunked things. Like, you saw people saying she was skewing the, like, the Satan hand thing. And I was like, that's not that. Like, she wasn't doing that. It was like a I love you, you know, hand gesture. But they do that. I don't know if that's on purpose or not. You know, I do think there's bad actors out there who want to control the narrative for their own gain, whether it's monetized Twitter or whatnot.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's crazy that, like, imagine she's. She's not the person who built TP usa. Charlie Kirk is. She's got to carry on that legacy. She. I can't imagine watching what she saw with Charlie dying, and then literally within 24 hours, they probably were like, you have to stop. You have to calm down. You have to push that aside because there are millions of people who need a leader right now. And I can't believe she was able to do it. But understand what that means for someone. It means they're going to tell you to stop emoting. Because if your natural emotive state is fear, panic, and despair, you will not convince people they will be scared. And so I think, with all due respect, she probably did a script. They helped her write it. She doesn't do this professionally. And she delivered to the best of her abilities trying to convey her feelings. And when people say it feels fake and scripted, I'm like, yeah, probably because her real emotions were not, like strength and endurance. It was probably fear and despair. And if she actually let that all out, she probably wouldn't have read that statement at all and probably wouldn't even have gone on the stage. Yeah, but it's just remarkable that people want. What's crazy is I met a guy, actually met a couple of people over the past week who came up and asked me, and they were like, hey, did he really die?

[Phil Labonte]

I got that, too.

[Tim Pool]

You got that, too? I'm like, yeah, my friends who were like, work with them in Arizona are calling, crying. And I was like, look, man. But I think the crazy thing is, for some of these conspiracy theories, it's really hard to believe Charlie is gone.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, it doesn't make sense.

[Shane Cashman]

The image shouldn't exist of him, of that. Like, it just doesn't feel like this. That's reality.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It is. It is. I'll tell you this, man. I have read a lot of stories about people dying, and when they die, I'm like, oh, man, geez. You know, rest in peace. Ozzy Osbourne. When he died, I was like, wow, he died. Every day when I see a story about Charlie, it's like my brain is telling me, he can't have died. How could he have died? And it's like, we all saw the video, man.

[Shane Cashman]

It's so surreal. Just like someone you've stood with and then the whole world has to see that. Argued with, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, you guys have argued. I didn't get that. But, like, it's. It's. It's a very surreal thing. And I get that. It just doesn't compute, you know, it still doesn't really make sense.

[Tim Pool]

This is what I was saying on X. I got a lot of messages from prominent personalities of various background. They texted me and, you know, I wish they would speak more publicly, but there are a lot of, like, former liberal, like, default liberal, prominent personnel who have spoken out since Charlie was killed. But the point that I made, because I'm seeing all of These people say, like, we have to protect the left's right to free speech. And defending the lefts from getting fired isn't defending the left at all. It's defending free speech. And I'm like, no, you're literally offering that leftist defense to get his job back. I'm not saying I understand your argument about free speech. I made the point that there are these conservatives, people on the right, who knew of Charlie, and knowing of Charlie is very different from knowing Charlie. Yeah. And I don't mean to be disrespectful to those that didn't actually know him, who are actually taking this seriously, but there are some people I feel like aren't taking it seriously. I've covered the news for a very long time. I have spoken with friends about major news events, a coup attempt in Turkey. Talking to my friends and being like, wow, did you see the fighter jet opening fire on the bridge? I mean, Erdogan is looping back, talking about this abstract, faraway thing, and then when Charlie is murdered. That's not the conversation. The conversation is, they killed Charlie. That's not me talking about the news anymore. That's me talking about my life and my world being actually subjected to the vile, psychopath, leftist person. Again, I'm not trying to say that in any way I am more worthy of, like, pain and suffering. No, I'm saying, like, people who actually knew, worked with Charlie and hung out with him and men and people who knew him way, way better than I did, they are not saying, did you hear the report? Charlie Kirk got assassinated. They're crying and being like, bro, they killed my brother. That feeling when you then watch these liberals dance on his grave and justify his killing, it is the weirdest thing in the world to me. I've never experienced that. And again, I'll stress, many people who knew him substantially better than I never experienced it. It's one thing when they try to kill Trump and then they celebrated it. I don't know Trump. I mean, I met him a couple times and interviewed him. He's just a guy. He's on the news. To me, he's a man that I talk about. Charlie is a guy that. He's talked with my wife and about our kids, and he's texted me. I was texting, like, I'm not going to give into private details. He's texting me words of encouragement. I talked to him about doing work and some of the ways that he has done at these universities and what. What? You know, I made this tweet saying, I will not tolerate. I will not defend leftists who are saying that they will. That they will celebrate this. That is a good thing. And if they lose their jobs, I will not come to their defense. And there are conservatives that are coming out and they're saying, I will. And I'm like, they are smearing Charlie Kirk's good name to justify his murder. That's literally the only reason. Now there are some stupid people who don't know better. I know some of them. I'm not mean to them. I was talking to a guy over the weekend who was like, well, that guy was racist. And I was like, that's not correct. I was like, not only do I know for a fact he's a friend of mine, he was not racist. He spoke out against racists, and he even kicked racists out of his conventions. So, you know, these smears, they're not okay. And then the response I get is, oh, well, I don't know. I've never actually watched them. I'm like, okay, that's fine. But these people who are intentionally lying about them and spreading these lies, I'm not going to come to their defense when they get fired. These woke right guys, I call them, they do everything they can to defend the woke left when they seek to kill us and justify this murder. And I won't. I'm not going to abide it.

[Shane Cashman]

They're gleeful demons. It was. It's really interesting to watch people cheer for someone's death there. I mean, again, not so shocking after 2020 with what happened, but when it's someone that you knew to some degree and it's a father, a husband, like that, and then for them to cheer and celebrate. Disgusting.

[Tim Pool]

We do have to jump to this massive story, gentlemen. CNN's got the report. Trump links autism to acetaminophen use during pregnancy despite decades of evidence. It's safe. I love that.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Trump did it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. When. When the doctors come out and say there's a new study linking autism to acetaminophen use during pregnancy. My favorite moments of this conference was when Donald Trump said acetamina. We're going to have to figure out. How do you say that one?

[Shane Cashman]

That was good. But also when he looked back at RFK jr, he was like, he's being more comfortable. I'm just going to say it. You know, I think this is bad. Don't take Tylenol.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Trump has never had to say the word acetaminophen. That's crazy to me. Like, I don't Know, like I go to it, we went to the doctor like I just had a baby. And they're talking to us about ibuprofen, acetaminophen, AKA Tylenol. And Trump's like, what's this word? I do not know.

[Augustus Dorico]

It's because he's impervious to pain.

[Phil Labonte]

Real never had to have him because he's hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's read this and then I have a funny tweet for you. Let's see how the left is responding to this. We already, we already see how they're responding. But I'll pull up some more here because there's, there's studies backing this claim up that I want to pull up Mario Novel because he's got tweet about this. They say Trump announced Monday that us, the US fda, will be notifying physicians the use of acetaminophen during pregnancy can be associated with the very increased risk of autism. They are strongly recommending that women limit Tylenol use during pregnancy unless medically necessary, such as to treat fever if you can't, tough it out. So let me see if I can. There was this tweet that I saw. Here we go. We've got this post from Mario Novel. He says Trump's Tylenol warning backed by Harvard and Johns Hopkins research. He says Harvard, John Hopkins, Columbia and Mount Sinai all say the same thing and they've got the peer reviewed studies. Harvard School of Public Health found that acetaminophen exposure increases the risk for both autism and adhd. John Hopkins discovered babies with the most acetaminophen in their cord blood were nearly three times more likely to be diagnosed with autism. Even Mount Sinai called the connection to neurodevelopmental disorders strong enough to warrant warnings for expectant mothers. Now the FDA finally agrees, saying the data is too strong to ignore and will move forward with label changes and doctor alerts. Tylenol probably did contribute to autism, however hard it may be to believe that such a thing could fly under the radar and cause a generational epidemic of autism that went unchallenged for decades. Here you go. Shannon Watts. Shannon Arwat. So she has me blocked, right? Yeah, she does. She says many studies suggest a major cause of autism is the mutated sperm of elderly fathers. But in a centuries old tradition. See everything from schizophrenia to eating disorders. Men have decided to blame women for taking Tylenol while pregnant, despite no valid supporting studies, except for, of course, Mount Sinai, Harvard, Columbia, John Hopkins, etc. Except you know the science. Keep this lady away from Hospitals. That's their response. Men just hate women.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What they're saying Tylenol. Did a woman invent Tylenol? Is that it?

[Phil Labonte]

She's a punishing imbecile.

[Shane Cashman]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So it was funny too, because Trump also in the interview said he blamed vaccines. You saw that?

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, I saw it.

[Tim Pool]

He was like, you know, there's a lot of groups that don't take vaccines and have no autism. And then RFK is like the Amish. And he's like, like the Amish. And I'm just sitting there laughing, being like, this is not a press conference about vaccines. Donald Trump, this is.

[Shane Cashman]

He turned it into it, though. He talked about the, you know, stabbing your kid with a hep B, which we haven't done. You know, we have three kids.

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[Shane Cashman]

Our oldest is nine. We don't do that. We got kicked out of a lot of practices for not doing it. And it was, it was vindicating to see that today.

[Tate Brown]

What was Trump's quote on the Amish and ADHD is like? They just don't even know what it is.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. RFK didn't know what to say.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Because they just studies.

[Tate Brown]

They don't get distracted. They're like the most locked in group on planet Earth. They're just building like barns all the time. Like they don't even. They don't have time to get distracted. They have barns to build.

[Shane Cashman]

They're amazing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And they helped him win Pennsylvania. They showed up.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yeah. And they did, because the. I think it was the FDA came down on them about. About their milk.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Raided.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

The FDA came out and came down, and, like, Scott Pressler was running right behind the fda. He's like, would you guys like to sign up and. And register to vote? And they were like, hell, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

I wish I could remember who tweeted it on the day after the election. But they basically said when the Amish showed up to vote, it was like in Lord of the Rings when the trees got up.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, the ends are coming. But it's true. They're, you know, like. Yeah, for the most part, there's. There's still a lot of Americans that just want to be left alone. You know, they just want to live their lives. They don't want to have to be involved in politics. And they tend to be more conservative because people that are on the left tend to be active activist types. They tend to feel like, oh, we've got to make all these changes, and we got to do. Do all this stuff, because we can perfect society if we just, you know, do a little bit around the edges or what have you. But when you have the government stick their nose into their lives, into people's lives, you activate people and say, okay, well, I guess I have to. I mean, back in the day, back in the 90s, Microsoft had zero lawyers, right? And then the Fed started looking at them for. For antitrust stuff, because everybody had Microsoft products. They were just making the best stuff out there. And so everyone was buying Microsoft stuff. And the Feds started to stick their nose in and say, well, what's going on over here? So they had to hire a boatload of lawyers. Now they have more lobbyists than, you know, just about any other company out there, or they have among the top numbers of lobbyists, and it's because the federal government has stuck their nose in. If you have resources or you have the ability to influence the government and the government is coming after you, you're going to exercise that ability, whether it be at the ballot box like the Amish did, or at the. You know, at the. With lobbyists like Microsoft did.

[Augustus Dorico]

You're defending Bill Gates right now? No, you think positive. Bill Gates. ARC was one where Microsoft remained a trust without hiring all their lawyers.

[Phil Labonte]

So I don't think that the government should have been sticking their nose into any company. I think the government should basically just F off.

[Augustus Dorico]

And do you think he wouldn't have drank the pee water if. If the government hadn't messed with his stuff in the 90s?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't even know what you're talking about with the.

[Augustus Dorico]

You know about this.

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Tate Brown]

You know about this.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm glad that I don't.

[Shane Cashman]

I just figured he drinks pee water all the time.

[Augustus Dorico]

Like, classic Gates foundation thing. He recycled a bunch of pee water to prove that, like, Africa could be run more sustainably or something.

[Shane Cashman]

There's a video of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

That's just where he basically. They purified it. Right. Okay. All right. Yes. I'm.

[Shane Cashman]

You at war with him because he wants to block the sun and you want to have.

[Augustus Dorico]

Not. Not a big blocking the sun guy.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You're at least against that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

We do not know geoengineering.

[Augustus Dorico]

No.

[Shane Cashman]

Cloud seeding is another issue which I wish we can get into, but Bill Gates is a no.

[Augustus Dorico]

Geoengineering big no.

[Shane Cashman]

Bill Gates is a no.

[Augustus Dorico]

I'm going to. I'm going to go with Bill Gates is a no.

[Shane Cashman]

Okay. Okay. Lots of start. We found some common ground.

[Tate Brown]

It's amazing. I can't believe that just happened. I was like the.

[Tim Pool]

So. Well, my question is, how do you reconcile cloud seeding with the fact that there's not even any clouds?

[Shane Cashman]

Well, there's clouds. He just keeps mutilating them.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's coming from cultivating.

[Shane Cashman]

You're not cultivating. You're destroying God's beauty.

[Augustus Dorico]

You ever heard of aerosol invigoration of convection, bro?

[Shane Cashman]

Tell me about it, bro.

[Augustus Dorico]

We make them bigger. The clouds.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. I don't like it.

[Tim Pool]

You like small?

[Shane Cashman]

I think. I think we should leave it alone.

[Augustus Dorico]

Do we get rid of the dams on the rivers?

[Shane Cashman]

Well, that's engineering. What you're doing is like Oppenheimer. First of all, you don't know what unintended consequences you're doing by interfering with nature. Yeah, but you're a privatized war machine that was started in war, and now you're doing it under the. Under the guise of masquerading to help farmers. But in the future, I imagine you'll be creating fake rain for data centers that your friends in Silicon Valley will be building everywhere.

[Augustus Dorico]

My friends? I just disavowed my friends in Silicon Valley.

[Shane Cashman]

Not enough.

[Tate Brown]

Not enough.

[Shane Cashman]

Not enough.

[Tim Pool]

What do you need fake rain for? Data centers?

[Shane Cashman]

For data centers. Soak up lots of water, right?

[Augustus Dorico]

They kind of do, but they're mostly closed loop circuits so they don't actually consume that.

[Shane Cashman]

You not said interviews. You're going to drop fake rain for data centers?

[Augustus Dorico]

It's real rain actually. But it's fake.

[Phil Labonte]

Fake rain from fake clouds.

[Shane Cashman]

It's, it's silver iodide. They roll their eyes, but this is a very real issue.

[Augustus Dorico]

We can get into toxicological thresholds, bro, if you want to.

[Shane Cashman]

You're just going to keep deflecting with big words. I'd like to keep it blue collar.

[Augustus Dorico]

O safe, big, fluffy, natural, safe, beautiful rain, wet, wet farms, wet data centers. So the specific question is.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, you started saying words that no one understood.

[Augustus Dorico]

Yeah, no, the silver iodide stuff is all.

[Shane Cashman]

But it's not good. We don't know. There's two scientists that just testified four days ago before Congress saying they don't even understand what the buildup of silver iodide is going to do to the water and to the soil. And you can mention 80 years of data, but Foushee has years of vaccines and we know that effective.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but hold on. I mean what you're basically saying is because we can't study the long term effects multi decade, we shouldn't do anything.

[Shane Cashman]

We should not interfere with nature in the way I think cloud seeding is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but, but real quick, he made a point about dams, right? That's working with wiped out cities.

[Shane Cashman]

That's working. Yeah. And I get it. That's working with nature. That like irrigation, building dams, that's like an engineering I can get behind. But what you're doing I don't agree with because I believe and I know your website says you're not playing God. I like that you have that in FAQs, but I think you are playing God.

[Tim Pool]

Well.

[Augustus Dorico]

Okay, so just for one point of context, can I ask if you're religious?

[Shane Cashman]

I believe in Jesus Christ.

[Augustus Dorico]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Augustus Dorico]

No, Christ is Lord love. That guy saved my life four years ago. I've got one theological point and then one like technical point.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Augustus Dorico]

The theological point that I think matters a lot is trying to live out the dominion mandate that God gave us in Genesis at the beginning of time. Right? He told us to steward and work the garden. He told us take dominion over the earth, seas and the skies, not just for our benefit, but for the sake of creation's well being and his glorification through that. And if, if farms are collapsing due to drought, if ecosystems like the Colorado river are collapsing due to drought, and we have a means, sort of like building a dam to store more water to keep those ecosystems and farms alive for our benefit if it is in fact safe. And I'd have to prove that it is safe and you should not just trust me, but verify it. Otherwise then we'd actually be abdicating our responsibility to God to take care of his.

[Shane Cashman]

But God didn't say to synthesize silver iodide in labs.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, we don't know.

[Augustus Dorico]

And we don't know light bulbs either.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, but we don't know how that will affect our food, aquatic life.

[Tim Pool]

No, so let me, let me just respond. I mean, what you're, what you're talking about applies to like millions of products.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, there's a lot of things I.

[Tim Pool]

Don'T agree with, like the, the wave of fluorescent lights and the chemicals that were in that, that cause ecological damage. And like, don't breathe in, it'll kill you. And it's spreading in landfills.

[Shane Cashman]

And I agree there is a lot. But since the cloud seeding guys here, I'm talking about cloud seeding and I'm talking about how I think.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

You know, that, that I believe it will be a danger. Because in my sense, to me, a lot of what you're doing, plus stuff in Silicon Valley is a Tower of Babel.

[Tim Pool]

So, but, so, so the reason I bring that up, and I'm asking you this is would you say something similar to like the giant lithium batteries in hybrid cars or electric cars?

[Shane Cashman]

Well, I totally disagree with electric cars.

[Tim Pool]

So we should. What about the oil accumulation from engines and things like that?

[Shane Cashman]

I think it's bad, but like, I don't think we should have people in the skies manipulating weather patterns. I know those things are bad.

[Tim Pool]

I get it, I get it.

[Shane Cashman]

I know things are bad. I don't agree with vaccines.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just trying to understand where your line is. Right. So like, should we ban plastic use? I'm actually, I mean, plastics are very bad for you. Yeah, I'm in favor of getting rid of plastic.

[Shane Cashman]

I try to use the glass and stuff, but even that is sometimes lined with microplastics.

[Augustus Dorico]

Sure, sure, totally. So, like, I think we should do everything possible to have safe, healthy products around us. Right. Like, we shouldn't be wearing microplastics all the time. We shouldn't be eating a bunch of MSG and like artificial. What is it? High fructose corn syrup. But I mean, it tastes good, but it's bad for you, I think. But then the question is there's two, right? Do we actually know like the, the thresholds after which using silver Iodide to make precipitation would be problematic for ecosystems or otherwise. The answer is. The answer is yes. So if you, if you look at, there's this one study gets quoted all the time. It's called like potential risks of acute silver iodide exposure. Some bad effect. The lowest threshold of silver iodide concentration in water that can have any adverse effect on freshwater bacteria. Those are the most sensitive organisms that could be affected by this. It's about 101 parts per billion. If you look at the seeded clouds with the highest concentrations of silver iodide in them, you're floating at around 30 parts per billion. So just in, in the artificial rain, let's call it the man made rain, you're still 30% or you're still 70% lower than the absolute lowest threshold for any toxicity to anything in the environment. Way below what it would take to impede human life, crops, any larger system. So there's that for one. And then the second thing is like most natural precipitation actually occurs because little dust particles in the cloud are what the water droplets or the water vapor freezes onto, grows into big snowflakes and then precipitates. It just so happens that silver iodide is one of the more effective materials for that. And so it's mimicry of what God's process for precipitation looks like already.

[Tim Pool]

What if you did organic cloud seeding with natural dust particles?

[Shane Cashman]

Well then that goes into. I don't think we should be manipulating it at all. Like the silver iodized just one part of it. Like I don't think messing at all.

[Augustus Dorico]

Well then we got to get rid of all of the coal plants and the nuclear plants and the nat gas plants and the solar farm.

[Shane Cashman]

There's.

[Augustus Dorico]

Because a lot of issues.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, yeah, there's a. Well, I, you know, there's fake clouds. You're just one facet of the fake cloud hierarchy. Because there's also different things that are happening within our evaporation and in the water supply. I mean, sure, Earth control in the water.

[Tim Pool]

So this is bad. And I think you like, I'm not trying to say you've not made the point. You've made the point that there's a lot of things you're bad. You're addressing this one. I look at like mercury dumping in the ocean and rivers. And when you talk about silver iodide and things like that, when we are damning rivers or redirecting them and then using them as waste like refuse filled like dumps, I see that it's largely the same thing.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's terrible.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, are we gonna, are we gonna then like, should we invoke severe like environmental restrictions on companies? You know, we have the Clean Water Restoration act, very famous because it was, was it the Ohio River, I think burst into flames?

[Shane Cashman]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Was it the Ohio river started on fire because of all the chemicals that were being mixed into it? And what happened was it wasn't that any one group was like, let's dump toxic chemicals that burst into flames. It was that each company was dumping a little bit. And so when we were like, yo, why is our river on fire? They were like, don't look at me, I only dumped a little bit. It's like, yeah, well all of you were doing at the same time.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

So someone had to regulate that avalanche.

[Shane Cashman]

Otherwise you think we need it. I'm not like a climate alarmist, you know, like I'm not like an AOC and with the cow farts, but I grew up on the Hudson river in New York, right behind, across the river from an IBM place where they had could legally dump all their sewage into the river, you know, and I think that was insane. There was a big sign on, on the train tracks that said that. But yeah, I mean like there's, there's 31 states right now trying to outlaw you.

[Augustus Dorico]

Well, so there, there were three states. Did I, I said this the other day publicly. Like, I know. And over the course of this conversation we've been ragging on tech companies. Totally deserved. Like most tech companies have no concern for the American people. Most corporations have no concern for the well being of like the environment that we live in. Most tech companies don't really care about America's national interests at all. And so I am very sympathetic to people being default suspicious or skeptical or even hateful of tech companies. Like I, that that's why with people you've been fairly polite and I appreciate that.

[Shane Cashman]

But like I called you a ghoul on Twitter.

[Augustus Dorico]

Yeah, I remember.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, his booker ghosted me because of it. But I'm glad we're here now.

[Augustus Dorico]

No, likewise. But like I understand that people don't expect tech companies to build real solutions for real people. You don't have to be a climate alarmist to say like the Ogallala aquifer in the Midwest is being depleted and farms from the Dakotas all the way down to Texas are going to collapse because of it. The Colorado river barely makes it to Mexico and all the species dependent on it are going to die if we don't make More water there. The Central Valley of California, people have been farming there for hundreds of 100 years. They're not going to be able to anymore unless we produce more water. And there's a bunch of other things like managing our existing water table better that we should do too. And even all of that said, we should scrutinize and regulate cloud seeding, right? Because we don't want anybody to be adding any material to the atmosphere. And the states that we operate in now, Utah, the Department of Natural Resources, regulates the materials we use. Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation does that as well. That's great. I think the federal government should do that too. But we shouldn't like ban it because there's prospective unintended consequences on the toxicological side or on the water table side that we actually can model out and show like what the effects are.

[Tim Pool]

Should we get. We do got to go to Super.

[Shane Cashman]

Chats my show right now.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

But I hear you and I. When I called you a ghoul, it wasn't because I was blaming you for the floods. Like, I think you were kind of a patsy for that. Honestly, I thought you were a ghoul for the PR tour you did, you know, and the company, which I disagree with. And I'm worried about how, you know, I mean, I don't get into the whole thing, but like the whole Peter Thiel world is not good to me. And I think, I think it's anti human. And I think we need to regulate what you guys are doing to the Earth because I know what you're saying, but it sounds like knurling to me when Elon's saying, we're going to help you out in the short term, but in the long term, you're from unsolved.

[Tim Pool]

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[Shane Cashman]

Building a dystopia and I wish you would redirect your because I think you're very smart. I wish you would redirect that brilliance to something a little less dystopian, like.

[Tim Pool]

Cloud seeding, acid rain over silicon.

[Shane Cashman]

Just stop messing with the sky, you know, monopolizing it.

[Augustus Dorico]

I think. I think you might have pegged me as the wrong guy. Totally get why.

[Shane Cashman]

But why is that?

[Augustus Dorico]

I don't think that I'm the tech bro that you think I am.

[Shane Cashman]

I think you are.

[Augustus Dorico]

I. I understand But I think we can talk about that more.

[Shane Cashman]

But do it. I would have you on my show.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe we should do a culture war and add, like, two other elements of the discussion on environmental factors. I love.

[Shane Cashman]

I love the conversation. I mean, I feel the way I feel. I'm not going to change it. And. But I appreciate that you have the conversation.

[Augustus Dorico]

Well, I don't know, man. Like, if you give me good points, then I'll change my mind.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I don't think that'll happen.

[Augustus Dorico]

You're a teal fellow, and I. And I am a. I can't say that publicly.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

You are a brother in Christ. You are a brother in Christ.

[Augustus Dorico]

Well, yeah, but beware. Beware wolves in sheep's clothing.

[Shane Cashman]

Exactly.

[Augustus Dorico]

Don't trust that. Exactly as I say it.

[Shane Cashman]

And I'm petitioning you to stop mutilating the sky.

[Augustus Dorico]

I'm. I'm petitioning you to help us take care of our farms and ecosystems that are collapsing.

[Shane Cashman]

And I would like to see you do it in a different way.

[Augustus Dorico]

Let's meet in the middle.

[Tim Pool]

I think that we should dig a giant canal straight into the Sahara Desert and just pump seawater straight into it and then artificially create streams and tributaries and all that to bring it back.

[Augustus Dorico]

No, bro. But then that would. The evaporation would make clouds, and he doesn't.

[Shane Cashman]

There's a lot of stuff that's going on around in the water.

[Tim Pool]

Vegas, too.

[Shane Cashman]

Vegas has got to go.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

So that's for all. So many.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we gotta get Super Chat.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm going to my show right now. Invertible live. 10 o' clock, YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

Rumble.

[Shane Cashman]

See you there. Thank you, guys. Augustus, I appreciate you talking.

[Augustus Dorico]

It was a pleasure.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody. Inverted World Live coming up after Tim cast irl. But for now, we're gonna grab your rants and super chats. So smash the like button, share the show right now and join our discord server. Timcast.com click join us. Because the uncensored portion of the show is also beginning at [e-mail] Timcast IRL, Rumble Premium only. You gotta sign up. All right, let's go. Moses Stalin says, I own a bar. And during the whole Bud Light controversy, we had people in there questioning why we still had Bud Light on tap. Well, I'm questioning why you still have Bud Light on tap, too.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's a very salient question. Why do you have Bud Light? Are you trans.

[Tim Pool]

We did. We did a show, a live show, and we were asked about it by the bartenders. This is right after it happened. And we were like, you probably take the Bud Light out. And so. Because they have, like, the beers available, and they took the Bud Light out. And then I went to. It was fun. I went to a Republican event in Charlestown, and they had Bud Light at their open bar. And then I walked up to him, I was like, why are you guys serving Bud Light? And they were like, Cause it's, like, default stock for catering. We didn't ask.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They were like, hey, we want to book event here. And they said, sure, we'll provide drinks. And Bud Light was one of them. And they were like, we didn't think about it. We didn't tell them not to do it. And I'm like, well, you should. You know, like, this is the problem with conservatives.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. I had a friend, a friend's dad, he, like, broke down in tears. Like, I've drank bud light for 30 years, and I just. I can't say goodbye. And he was like, in tears over it.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, Coors Light is not significantly different from Bud Light. It's true, you know.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Hanamichi says, ask the Rainmaker rep to address accusations the government is using cloud seeding to deflect from geoengineering in congressional hearings.

[Phil Labonte]

I think. I think Shane already covered that.

[Tim Pool]

I think we need to do a culture war episode.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And not just with Shane and Augustus, but I think it'd be interesting to get a climate change person in here because they seem to have evaporated. Very good. Where are they?

[Tate Brown]

It's true.

[Tim Pool]

Greta's like, climate change is actually Israel in Palestine. And I'm like.

[Tate Brown]

Because they keep shooting flares at their boats. Like, what's going on?

[Tim Pool]

She literally says this. She literally just, like, abruptly was like, the issue with climate change is, is that Israel and Gaza. And I was like, okay. Like, you can be mad about both. Yeah. I don't know how they're related to each other.

[Tate Brown]

Like, cloud seeding with missiles.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe if she just came out and she was like, I care about climate change, but I'm going to focus on Israel and Gaza because what is going on is bad. I'd be like, okay, yeah, that makes sense to me.

[Phil Labonte]

Just Israel and Gaza gets her more attention at the time.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. Because she's gotten. Well, it's because she was like, I'm not getting any views on climate change stuff anymore. What do people care about?

[Phil Labonte]

Because nobody believes climate change anymore because they've been exaggerating for so long.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Skyline says, growing up, I saw people beheaded and displayed in Capital City, I learned peace was a transitional lull period between violence. Normies are what's called. Normie are what's called in Japan as peaceful idiots. Yep. Lenthal Spade says, tim, when are you gonna have retired Navy SEAL Matt Bracken on? He's written six books on the next civil war, and as an Infowars regular, he's perfect for a culture war episode. So be it. I'm assuming there are people who work here who watch this show, and they will have heard that that's usually how things happen here, even when they shouldn't. Like, we've had things happen where I've made a joke like, you know, we should do. We should totally just, like, you know, make the world's biggest cookie. And then, like, the next day, you know, someone's like, in chat being like, I bought the flower. And then Allison is like, for what? For the big cookie. Tim wants to make that. What are you talking about? And then Allison, my wife, she comes to me, she's like, we're making a gigantic cookie. And I'm like, what are you talking about? She'll be like, they're buying a bunch of flour and chocolate chips right now. Like, why? And then they'll go, oh, Tim said on the show he was doing, I was like, I was making a joke about what is going on.

[Augustus Dorico]

You got to commit to the bit, dude, y'.

[Tim Pool]

All. Yeah. Well, just as stupid. Glazier says, did Trump make an error labeling antifa a domestic terror organization versus an international? Well, it's foreign terror organization, and maybe international works, too, but I think so. I mean, but I think Stephen Miller is advising him on a lot of these things, and Miller knows exactly what he's talking about. That guy is on point.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's definitely calculated. Like, there's a few bars you have to cross to get to fto foreign terror organization, but I guarantee you they're turning over everything to get that declaration across the finish line.

[Tim Pool]

John R. Hughes says, I literally can't get anyone to look into this evidence. You don't have to play the video on stream. Just look into it and cover it. If you disagree or agree, go to Range Daybro on YouTube the last video. Okay. Range Daybro on YouTube.

[Phil Labonte]

He's got a pretty good channel. I haven't. I haven't seen the video in question, but I've watched a bunch of his.

[Tim Pool]

Videos, and his video is Kirk assassination. New video evidence changes everything. I don't. It's got almost a million views. I. I just want to say like, with all due respect, there are a lot of people that have quickly realized that claiming there's a conspiracy behind Kirk's assassination is getting them a lot of views. They are quickly rising in the ranks of some of the most viewed channels on the Internet. And I think it's unfortunate because it's just not correct. Now, by all means, there are people that are saying a 30 out 6 through a neck, it's gonna cavitate and blow out his. Are you nuts? Why would I believe it possibly there. I do think it's silly to be honest, but with all due respect, I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way to tpo, say the very hammed up way. And again, with. With. With respect, because I'm. I'm not. I'm trying to be delicate, man. I knew Charlie, you know, but that post about how he was the man of steel and he was so strong and young, he stopped the bullet from penetrating, which could have hurt other people. I don't think that helps stop the conspiracy theories because you could have just said, guys, the bullet hit his spine, killing him instantly and stopping it in his neck. And it's a horrifying thing to have to say, but I think when you watch the video, it is sad and it is brutal to admit, but you can see Charlie go down in an instant, and it seems to me that that is likely what happened. And then I see people making videos where they're like, so it was a magic bullet, huh? And I'm like, no, dude, he took a shot in the neck that hit his spine and he. It killed him. And then you see the blood come out. And I don't know, but I was sitting in a restaurant when I watched this video, and we didn't know what was going to happen. And I had people telling me that he was stable, going to make it, and that's what we're hearing now, that they got a pulse back and then he didn't make it. And when I saw that video for the first time, I literally said to my wife, you see him go out in an instant. And that's what we heard from. Who was the gentleman? Was his name Frank?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The guy that talked, he said the same thing. Charlie was dead in the instant. And it is entirely possible. I understand, but these videos that are coming out are just like, I noticed a speck in a frame that's gotta be a muzzle flash or something. And I'm like, it could be, but it's probably not. And the Conflicting conspiracy videos. I understand that people want to believe that something else happened. By all means, I will say it outright. The transcript between the assassin and the boyfriend. It's like, dude, that's clearly not real. Like, seriously, it was either transposed, omitting a lot of information. I do not believe that Cash Patel and FBA agents were sitting there typing this up or asking ChatGPT to do it, because that requires many more assumptions. The simple answer is the boyfriend wrote it so that evidence could be introduced later on that is exculpatory for the boyfriend. So if they try to charge the boyfriend, they can say, no, no, look at this document, the messages. I had no idea what was happening. And that's enough to create reasonable doubt. That seems to make the most sense considering there were trans people that had foreknowledge. It seems likely that other people knew about this. And that is the simple explanation as to why the messages don't seem to make a lot of sense. There are, I think, three or four different second shooter theories, all conflicting with each other from different channels that have different videos. And I don't understand how everyone is, like, attaching to them. There's the. The bolt came from behind because you can see a frame. There's a speck. Around the same time, there's a video of a guy putting his hand. And they're like, he's got a palm gun. He doesn't flinch. And I'm like, so which one was it? There's the theory that a guy was in front of Charlie and you can see an entry wound. The shirt gets hit, the shirt flies up. So they're saying he was shot from the front and that it was a low caliber handgun, and they're lying about the caliber. Then there's the. It was a palm gun, and the guy went to scratch his arm and fired the palm gun with his. With his wrist. There's literally no recoil. And how the hell do you aim a palm gun like this without looking? Then there's the shooter behind Charlie from the other angle because there's a flash of light or there's some kind of bright spot at the moment, which could be a million and one different things, but people all want to just believe this stuff. And I feel like there is a conspiracy staring us in the face that this shooter had an accomplice or accomplices or at least informed these networks. So I will just ask. When we're trying to solve a puzzle, you do not skip over what is in front of you and jump to the back. You Just don't do it. You look at what's in front of you and you ask, where does it lead us? There is a video of a man running and jumping off a building carrying something. This same man is seen limping towards the building. This is indicative of probably the shooter. Now, it's entirely possible to get me wrong because we saw that there are these. These trans individuals online that had foreknowledge. This guy was also part of a patsy plan. In the order of what I think happened, it's likely the official story they're giving us is 80% correct. There are probably details we're not getting because they don't know them. And we are all trying to figure out exactly what and how this happened. There is a small possibility that maybe after this, the next conspiracy that makes the most sense, this shooter was working with other people and they've colluded in such a way to obfuscate the details, and this guy is a fall guy somehow that those two theories make a have a massively higher probability than Israel did it, which, like Charlie, was their greatest proponent and was saying very disparaging things about Gaza and Palestine on a regular basis. So that one is in the realm of existence, but probably in the very low point decimals of percentage possibility there. People are claiming his own security guy. Like, I'll say the other thing. There's video of, like, guys like, taps his hat and then scratches his arm and taps. And I'm like, yeah, that's just security. That's normal at a loud event. Security use hand signs. I don't understand why that implies anything nefarious. There are people that have tried implying footage was stolen. It's not true. It's like, there's a. There's a bunch. I'll just put it this way, I have no problem with conspiracy theories. There's just too many. And they all. And they all seem to contradict each other. There's like five different shooters according to all of the conspiracy theories. So all I can do in looking at all of it and be like, yeah, maybe, but probably not, you know, 36 is a very large round, and in most circumstances, you look at ballistic testing, it blows out the animal. It is rare, but possible that it hit his.

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[Tim Pool]

Every style, every home. Spine deflected into his neck and stopped at his skin. And that's why he seems to die instantly. I think that's, you know, if someone was going to ask me. That's sad. But the more likely case, and I understand why Colvitt put out the statement saying that Charlie was Superman. The bullet hit bone and his bones were so strong it stopped the bullet from exiting. Saving other people's lives because he's trying to rally hope. I get it. I also think it has people going like, oh yeah, well that's, that's a crazy story. It's a magic balano bite. Instead of just saying, guys, the bullet hit Charlie's spine and killed him instantly, it deflected downward after hitting his spine and probably other parts of his skull and back. And that's why it didn't exit. And that is a gruesome, horrifying thing to have to say about your friend. But I don't, I don't think the conspiracy theories have the probability here. In fact, I honestly, I, I take that back. I think the actual shooting we're looking at is a conspiracy. I don't believe this guy was a lone wolf. And I think the limited information we have is why they're reporting that. I think, I think it's possible that they're not gonna release all the information for some reason, cuz they usually don't. But I believe that a reasonable assessment is this guy was working with other people. That's how they knew. And his motivation was he's a leftist. A guy just shot up an ABC building. We don't need a conspiracy to justify or to explain any of this away. These people have been doing this. Andy. No. Was brutally beaten. I just, I don't think these guys that have been putting on mass and going around and attacking and beating people are part of some secret government plot. Anyway, I don't really know. So what do I know? And I've watched those videos, trust me. And I think people are. It's just, I think people want to believe in, you know, they want to believe there's something else out there. I don't know why. We'll grab one where we've got Zod. I'm commenting late. Was working and catching hung up. But the Tim cast team should commission a docu series where you interview the security teams of Left and right figures to honestly show who threatens who and which side needs more security. It would really shed light. No, because the left would lie. They'd make things up. What I can tell you is we have security teams. These are guys who are former law enforcement, military vets, and they do intelligence reconnaissance. And they'll just tell you because they tell me current threats. Nothing from gripers, nothing from pro or anti Israel, nothing from the right in any meaningful discernible way, nothing from libertarians, the left. Here's a list of 100 death threats we've gotten this week. It's just guys, you can go on X and just Google like I say Google, but you can look it up on X and just read all the death threats targeting me. Just have fun and all the other psychotic things. So good, good point. But the security companies are neutral. They'll tell you this. All right, my friends. Smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. We are heading to that uncensored portion of the [e-mail] timcastirl so follow me on X and Instagram. Tim Cast, as I mentioned, make sure you join Rumble Premium [e-mail] Augustus, you want to shout anything out?

[Augustus Dorico]

Raymaker.com We've got our FAQ there. You can learn everything you want to know about cloud seeding. And then I'm at a D O R I C K O on X, A Dorico on X.

[Tate Brown]

You follow me on X and Instagram. Ealtatebrown. Thank you for watching.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can follow the band on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out. SA.