Activist ADMITS FAULT In MN ICE SHOOTING, CBP SHOOTS Suspects Trying To RUN THEM OVER w/ Josie TRHL

Summary

Timcast IRL – January 9, 2026

Activist ADMITS FAULT In MN ICE SHOOTING, CBP SHOOTS Suspects Trying To RUN THEM OVER w/ Josie TRHL

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL, hosted by Tim Pool, delves into two recent, high-profile law enforcement shootings involving federal immigration officers—in Portland and Minneapolis. The discussion centers on media narratives, the political polarization surrounding these incidents, the manipulation of facts by mainstream media (especially The New York Times), and the broader cultural, constitutional, and civil discord erupting nationwide. Tim and his panel, including Josie the Redheaded Libertarian, Tate Brown, and Philip Monte, analyze the details of the incidents, the aftermath in political discourse and protest movements, and what these events reveal about the fracturing of the American social fabric.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Portland CBP Shooting vs. Minneapolis ICE Shooting

[00:43–11:26]

• Portland Incident: Two people (Venezuelan nationals reportedly connected to the Tren de Aragua gang) were shot by Border Patrol after allegedly attempting to run over federal agents during an immigration stop.
  • Tim highlights conflicting early narratives: Pro-immigration activists claim wanton federal violence; CBP asserts a legitimate self-defense response.
  • Quote (Tim Pool, 07:30): “I gotta be honest, I don’t believe that CBP just started randomly shooting or that they shot at people fleeing. It looks like...they almost ran them over. Which based on what we saw yesterday lines up.”
• Minneapolis Incident: Focus moves to Renee Good’s death—an activist shot while attempting to flee from an ICE vehicle stop.
  • New York Times publishes a video analysis claiming the agent wasn’t endangered; right-leaning sources call this agitprop and misrepresentation.

2. Media Manipulation & Escalating Agitprop

[11:26–15:18, 36:14–51:20]

• The episode presents in-depth criticism of the New York Times video report on the Minneapolis shooting, dissecting selective editing and misleading language that shaped public perception.
  • Memorable Breakdown (Tim Pool, 44:03): “He said ‘it looks like he was hit, but upon closer inspection, he wasn’t run over.’ The point of phrasing it that way is so the general public will think...he actually was not hit at all.”
• Panelists assert mainstream media is not informing, but telling audiences what to think—proliferating a singular narrative for political aims.

3. Fault, Radicalization, & Activist Responsibility in Minneapolis

[20:17–27:02]

• Viral video emerges of Renee Good’s partner emotionally declaring, “It’s my fault. I made her come down here,” after the fatal shooting.
  • Analysis (Tim Pool, 21:34 & 25:40): “This woman blurted out that she told this woman to come down to commit a felony...I think it played out the way it did because this officer...likely feared for his life.”
• Panel debates the naiveté vs. culpability of middle-aged “limousine liberals” and posits that many recent leftist activists are manipulated by seasoned operatives.
  • Philip Monte (25:53): “Liberal white women tend to think they’re above the law...they don’t think it can happen to them.”

4. Activist Tactics: Martyrdom and Recruitment

[28:01–32:33, 35:17–36:14]

• Tim outlines how left-wing activist movements intentionally cultivate situations that maximize arrests, injuries, and even deaths among naive supporters to radicalize and recruit broader support.
  • Tim Pool (28:01): “They intentionally want you to show up to get arrested. Why? Because then...they say, ‘Why are the cops doing this to you, poor innocent victim?’ This woman is on the front lines, clearly having no idea what’s going on...”
  • Josie (30:02): “In the same way we have a moral compass...Marxists and Communists don’t have that. Their system of values is what can we do that’s going to get us closer to the revolution?”

5. Political Polarization and Civil Unrest

[15:21–19:27, 55:32–59:59, 68:08–76:57]

• The panel discusses how incidents like these, paired with manipulated media coverage, are rapidly escalating political conflict and eroding shared civic norms.
• Activists and officials in cities like Portland and Minneapolis are depicted as both vilifying federal agents and encouraging resistance, even as National Guard are deployed.
  • Tim Pool (17:00): “Americans feel dispossessed by immigration, legal and illegal. The left wants to replace Americans...they want to bring people in because they hate themselves.”
  • Josie (55:32): “These people are quite literally willing to put their bodies on the line for people that absolutely hate them, that want to defraud them, take their country...On the flip side, they celebrate the death of a husband, a father, a patriot.”
  • Tim Pool (71:54): “You’re not gonna go in and arrest 80% of California...If you go and arrest antifa, the entirety of people in California are like, you’re wrong.”

6. Constitutional Structure & Rights in Crisis

[81:47–92:27]

• Detailed, often philosophical debates erupt over states’ rights, the intent of the Founders, and the current reality of constitutional protections.
  • Tim Pool (83:43): “Certainly it’s in the Constitution, but we don’t have constitutional rights. The federal government does it if they want to.”
• The group discusses how both left and right have shifted on state vs. federal power, especially on Second Amendment issues and pandemic policy.

7. National Divorce, Civil War & the Limits of Reconciliation

[72:31–76:57]

• “National divorce” (red states vs. blue states) is dismissed as unworkable due to population intermixing, resource dependencies, and the impossibility of a clean geographical split.
  • Tim Pool (74:32): “Arizona...Nevada will cease to exist. Whoever controls the Colorado River is going to shut California down...13 to 20 million people in SoCal who will no longer have drinking water.”
• Broadly, the panel expresses a pessimistic outlook on the possibility of national reconciliation, given the depth of antipathy and difference in moral frameworks.

8. Futurism & Brief Comic Relief

[92:52–107:02]

• The panel briefly discusses the prediction of World War III and alien contact by "Baba Vanga," transitioning into a lighthearted chat about warp drives, anti-matter, and the fantasy of teleportation as an immigration solution.
  • Tim Pool (105:14): “What if, like, you know, in 20 years, magic is real and like, scientists are like, we’ve actually figured out how to cast spells...”
  • Jokes ensue about “portal guns” and teleporting people for deportations.

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• Media Manipulation Theme:
  • “They are intentionally manipulating the information to frame this as though a DHS agent...for no reason murdered a random woman.” (Tim Pool, 00:43)
  • “The whole left narrative is agitprop. The point is to create tension...to justify violence.” (Philip Monte, 15:21)
• On Activist Culpability:
  • “It’s my fault. I made her come down here.” (Renee Good’s partner, repeated by Tim Pool, 20:17)
  • “There have been no consequences for these leftists...So a middle aged white woman...thought she was going to accelerate and flee the scene after committing a felony.” (Tim Pool, 25:40)
• Moral & Political Fracturing:
  • “This country is split between a psychotic death cult and everyone else. How do you solve for that? There’s no off ramp.” (Tim Pool, 69:10)
  • “If the right said, we’re gonna secede, the left would say, we’re gonna kill you now, so be it.” (Tate Brown, 75:07)
• On Rights and Constitution:
  • “All power comes out of the barrel of a gun.” (Philip Monte, 83:43)
  • “We don’t have constitutional rights. The federal government does it if they want to.” (Tim Pool, 83:43)

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Key Timestamps

• [07:30]: First detailed breakdown of Portland and Minneapolis shooting narratives
• [21:34, 24:17]: Breakdown of fault, activism, and radicalization in the fatal Minneapolis incident
• [28:01–32:33]: Discussion of activist tactics: martyrdom and manipulation
• [36:14–51:20]: Dissection of New York Times video and broader issues of media trust
• [55:32]: Reflection on radicalization, irreconcilable differences, and the impossibility of debate
• [68:08–76:57]: National divorce, civil war scenarios, and the future of American Union
• [92:52–107:02]: Comic relief and futurism

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Conclusion

The episode offers an unvarnished, highly critical take on current news coverage, political narratives, and the deepening divide in American society. The hosts argue that polarization is rapidly escalating to a point where debate is impossible, media is untrustworthy, and institutional trust is in collapse. Throughout, the panel uses sharp, sometimes irreverent language and humor, but their core message is bleak: the rule of law and rational discourse are breaking down, leaving tribalism and power as the new order.

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This summary reflects the direct, unfiltered style and tone of the Timcast IRL panelists and aims to capture both the critical news analysis and the broader, often philosophical debates that arose during the episode.

Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

Massive breaking news out of Portland. CBP has shot reportedly shot two individuals. According to what appears to be a leaked 911 dispatch screen these individuals fled the scene, called for help after being shot to man and a woman and according to CBP in this leaked dispatch these individuals attempted to run over these CBP agents. This all took place in Portland. Now currently across the country there are protests and some riots breaking out over the ICE Shooting took place in Minnesota. But we have way more information. Tons of new developments and arguments coming from the left and the most, the sweetest. New York Times creating a video analysis where they speed up the incident and claim the officer was not in front of the vehicle and that he stepped in front of it. This is what we are dealing with on the front page of Reddit on the New York Times. They are intentionally manipulating the information to frame this as though a DHS agent form for no reason murdered a random woman. But we have another big story. Video emerged shortly after the shooting of the let's call her the perpetrator. I mean this woman who was trying to flee law enforcement from after committing a crime. Her wife said it's my fault. I made her come down here. Now this is interesting. This woman blurting out that she told this woman to come down to confront ice. And the reason it's interesting is that the woman who died, her family said she would never do anything like this. So it's beginning to look like this woman likely panicked when the police came to arrest her because she had no idea what she was actually doing and was made to come down by an activist spouse. Now I don't know for sure but we'll go over this story and we'll start of course with this shocking incident that took place in in, in Portland. Two people shot. And of course the expectation now is there's going to be an escalation of riots. Some people saying George Floyd 2.0 we're going to know all of that my friends. 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The left propaganda machine is in full swing to lie about what happened. So we're gonna break that down. And joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have Josie, the red headed libertarian.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Hi, I'm Josie. I'm the redheaded libertarian. Oh, can you guys hear me? Okay, good. I'm Josie. I'm the redhead Libertarian. I'm so happy to be here. Welcome to Florida. This is my home and I'm really looking forward to tonight.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Tate Brown]

What is going on, guys? This is Tate Brown here holding it down. I am equally excited to be in Florida. I am getting used to the sun quite quickly and I'm loving it, really loving it.

[Philip Monte]

Looking a little red today.

[Tate Brown]

A little red. You know, I, I, I did fall asleep on the beach and Serge had to come and like drag me out like Maduro. But, you know, we're having a good time. We're having a good time here in Florida.

[Tim Pool]

Also, why Maduro's brown. It's a tan.

[Tate Brown]

It's true. He's actually Irish. Yeah. Surprising.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Many people don't know that. The New York Times will probably issue a correction here soon, but tick tock.

[Philip Monte]

Hello everybody. My name is Philip Monte. I'm the lead singer the heavy metal the End all that remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the breaking news right now from kptv. Federal agents shoot two people in Portland. They say two people were shot by federal agents in Southeast Portland on Thursday afternoon, according to police. At 2:18pm Portland police officers responded to the 102nd or 10200 block of Southeast Main street on a report of a shooting. Officers confirmed that federal agents had been involved in a shooting, PBB said. The FBI office in Portland confirmed the two agents involved in the shooting were working for Border Patrol on accent Twitter, but a short time later they deleted that statement. There's no word in the condition of the people who were shot. Quote, we are still in the early stages of this incident, said Chief Bob Day. We understand the heightened emotion and tension many are feeling in the wake of the shooting in Minneapolis But I am asking the community to remain calm as we work to learn more. PPB officers have secured both scenes pending an investigation. East Burnside street is closed.

[Philip Monte]

Blah blah blah.

[Tim Pool]

This remains an active and ongoing investigation. Now we have this post from Andy Ngo. He says two people have just been shot by Border Patrol during an immigration operation in Portland, Oregon. Anti ICE accounts have circulated screenshots alleging that a 911 dispatcher leaked to them information about a call for police assistance. Now it does appear that we have a 911-dispatcher screen leak which reads 33 year old male, conscious, breathing problem. Spanish speaker said he ran from ICE and was shot twice. Wife was shot once as well. Just pulled over here. Info slow. It's followed up by saying my caller is Border Patrol. Said they shot at a subject that almost ran them over. Unknown if it hit other subject since they drove off in a red Toyota Tacoma. So it appears that we've got two conflicting stories. And I got to be honest, I don't believe that CBP just started randomly shooting or that they shot at people fleeing. It looks like the 911 dispatch report also says they almost ran them over. Which based on what we saw yesterday lines up. Now the scariest thing about everything we're seeing with the breaking news, the dramatic escalation we are seeing right now. Holy crap. And of course more importantly that there is no truth. We can all watch the same video, but it does not matter. There are people that are trying to be reasonable about what this is and of course it's the right every single time. If you approach these shootings and say we don't know for sure, it looks like this may be Border Patrol was aggressed upon and opened fire. That seems to be the simple solution. It won't matter. You're right wing for saying it in Minneapolis if you say the ICE agent probably should not have shot this woman. However she does accelerate with the tires aimed at her. You're a conservative. There is a large group of people, a large political faction that will just say what ever they can to justify why you are a Nazi, why you should be killed. And now in I believe it's New York, right? They are chanting for Kristi Noem to be hanged. They want her executed. The escalation is insane. Minnesota has just activated the National Guard to come out and assist police. Holy crap. What's going on?

[Tate Brown]

Well, do you remember like last year when that plane crash happened? The Blackhawk hitting the plane at the beginning of the year and then for like two weeks after you would see story after story of like any minor issue occurring with a plane on the Runway. And it was like for two weeks everyone was freaked out to fly because again, the news media was just reporting on every single incident involving a commercial airline. This is kind of the same thing happening because last year I believe there was about 14 to 15 ICE involved shootings in the United States. Like around four were killed, five injured in that ballpark. And so this is just kind of an indication of we're in a really hot moment. It really does feel like the country's sort of dowsed and gasoline in many ways. Obviously they're going to. There's going to be extra scrutiny on ICE over these next two weeks and I think that's what people should be a bit prudent is Hi, I'm Chris.

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[Tate Brown]

It's not particularly unusual for there to be an ICE involved shooting again. There was 14 last year as far as we know. I think it was reported by the Independent that covered that. It's just this occurring so close to what just happened in Minnesota. Obviously people on the left are going to seize on this. Obviously they're going to say this is like they're just mowing people down in the streets or whatever. The narrative is already being spun.

[Tim Pool]

We have a statement from DHS. They said at 219 Pacific time. So this is 5pm Eastern. US Border Patrol agents were conducting a targeted vehicle stop in Portland, Oregon. The passenger of the vehicle and the target is a Venezuelan illegal alien affiliated with the transnational Trende Aragua prostitution ring and involved in a recent shooting in Portland. The vehicle driver is believed to be a member of the vicious Venezuelan gang Trende Aragua. When agents identified themselves to the vehicle occupants, the driver weaponized his vehicle and attempted to run over the law enforcement agents. Fearing for his life and safety, an agent fired a defensive shot. The Driver drove off with the passenger fleeing the scene. The situation is evolving and more information is forthcoming. The mayor has issued a statement saying, this is Portland Mayor Keith Wilson. Just one day after the horrific violence in Minnesota at the hands of federal agents, our community here in Portland is now grappling with another deeply troubling incident. Earlier this afternoon, two people were shot and injured by federal agents in the Hazelwood neighborhood. We cannot sit idly, but we cannot sit by while constitutional protections erode and bloodshed mounts. Portland is not a training ground for militarized agents. And the full force threatened by the administration has deadly consequences. As mayor, I call on ICE to end all operations in Portland until a full investigation can be completed. Federal military militarization undermines effective community based public safety and it runs counter to the values that define our region. I will use every legal and legislative tool available to protect our residents civil and human rights. I'm just going to say it, guys. Civil war. I don't care. It's not funny anymore. There's a lot of jokes about it. But understand what they are saying. They are dispatching National Guard against the feds. They are saying federal law enforcement, duly sworn in and voted for this operation, voted for by the American people, must be stopped. And they're talking about using whatever means they have to to stop the federal government from enforcing their laws. They say they want community policing, but that includes allowing illegal immigrant gang members and transnational gangs. It allows them to operate in these jurisdictions. This is the United States of America. This is not a fragmented batch of sovereign states that are at odds with each other, but apparently that's what is being driven in these blue states. The statement that's made here is devoid of fact. The Portland mayor's statement is devoid of fact. The DHS statement asserts some things to be fact. Now, we don't know that they're true, but all I can say is based on the experiences I have and you all have going back the past 10 years, it seems to be that the quote, unquote right is trying to rationally assess the situation and the left is just saying we will do whatever we want. And I use these statements as an example. The Portland mayor, again, not issuing facts other than a shooting happened, but then goes on a call for ICE to be removed, saying we're going to resist the federal government. DHS said, here's what happened at our operation. A guy tried to run us over. He was shot at. That is a fact assessment. Now, again, maybe DHS is lying. That's fine. But you take A look at George Floyd, what happened. Every conservative comes out and says, we think this is wrong because we are rational people. And every leftist said, arrest the cops. They're evil. When more information came out, conservative said, actually, we were wrong about that. Derek Chauvin likely was. You know, it's. It's tragic George Floyd died, but this is not a murder. Doesn't warrant. Warrant prison. What we are looking at is continually the right tries to be rational and the left calls for blood. Charlie Kirk was murdered and they are dancing and celebrating. This woman obstructs police, accelerates towards the officer before turning right. The cop opens fire. I wouldn't call it the cleanest of shots. I don't think he needed to shoot her, but I think it played out the way it did because this officer, it's now being reported, had been dragged six months previously by another vehicle and likely is on edge. Especially considering the terror attacks. I think that's a reasonable assessment. It doesn't matter. The New York Times is putting out fabricated information to lie. Activists are putting out fabricated information to manipulate and gain political power from this.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

They.

[Tim Pool]

There's no off ramp. I'm sorry, I don't know where we go from here.

[Philip Monte]

It's all agit. Prop. The whole left, excuse me, left narrative is agitprop. The point is to create tension, to. To continue to up the ante, to continue to push the. The narrative that ICE is actually the Gestapo, that Trump is. Is a Nazi. You hear it at these protests. The protesters are screaming at ice. Constantly the same thing. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Nick Sorter had a video. He was walking around last night. The guy behind him, you're a Nazi. You're a Nazi. A video that was outside of one of the DHS facilities. You guys are all Nazis. You guys are all Nazis. This, this line has been the same from them for the better part of 10 years. And it's to justify anything they want to do. The point is to justify violence. The point is to justify whatever behavior they want. There. There is no reason to think that they're tr. They're actually reasonable and actually looking for any kind. Of. Any kind of debate or anything. I talked about this last night. The whole point is to do what they can to destabilize the United States because they believe the United States is an illegitimate country. They believe the whole, oh, you're standing on stolen land. They believe the whole capitalism is actually theft. Property is theft. They believe all of it. And the goal is to destabilize the United States as much as they can, Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I mean Keith Wilson, the mayor of Portland, that statement he's probably had in the chamber now ever since the beginning of the Trump administration. I mean there's no question about it. Just have to swap out the city and then the date. But he's been like, these guys are high fiving whenever they see an ICE involved shooting. They're relieved. They're so excited. They can finally have the justification to now try and apply pressure on the widely popular mass deportation platform.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And I, when I people have some people in the morning show, there's an ICE related story, I always like to ask them this question because I think it's a really salient question and the answer is very helpful for people to understand in regards to why does the left out of all the issues, the animating issue for them, the one issue that's guaranteed to get them out in the streets is immigration enforcement. And you have to ask yourself what is at stake? Why are we conducting mass deportations? What about the immigration system being broken for so long specifically infuriates Americans? Well, it's the fact that actual Americans feel dispossessed by immigration, legal and illegal. And the left wing wants to replace Americans. They want to bring people in because they hate themselves. So by extension they hate their people. Americans. Right. And so that's really what's animating a lot of this anti ICE fury is, is just self hatred and the fact that a paternal figure like in this case ISIS coming in and saying actually no, you, you, you need to sort of have love for your country and these sorts of things that infuriates.

[Philip Monte]

How much do you think the, the argument that the Democrats are being funded by the people that are coming in? So you basically, it's a quid pro quo quote. You get into the United States, we'll provide you with benefits, we'll help you to, to ski, to, to cheat the system and get some kind of, whether it be the millions of dollars in Minneapolis, which seems like it's actually happening in cities all over the country and then they're getting, getting Democrats are getting donations from these people, large sums as well as NGOs. How much do you think it's actually just like, you know, one hand washing the other.

[Tate Brown]

It's a economic or it's a, it's a, it's a triple threat really. So you have the economic implication, you have the political implication and then you have the sort of philosophical or national implication. So the economic implication is obvious. We've been talking about it for years is well it undercuts labor. So there's business interests involved. And most of these business interests are left aligned because they just tend to play ball more often. And then you obviously have the political ramifications, which is obvious. I mean, Elon Musk points this out all the time, is you can just like run up the numbers in California if you can just pack as many people and wait for them to have kids. And then that boosts the Democrat voting numbers because again, the children of foreign born people is pretty identical to their parents. So they also vote like 70, 30, 80, 20 democrat depending on the state. And then the third one is sort of this philosophical national sort of understanding. That's what I was talking about earlier is where they just have a really terrible perception of themselves and they hate themselves. And so by extension they're going to hate every aspect of themselves. And the primary aspect of a human being is who are you, where are you from? That sort of thing.

[Philip Monte]

I think that I was watching it, I saw a tweet and I didn't retweet it today, but there was a Somali in, in, I believe it was in Maine and he was saying, look, if you don't support us, if you don't protect us and essentially saying if you don't help us game the system, we're not going to, we're not going to vote for you. Our whole community is not going to vote for you. And I. So I'm starting to think that I understand, I understand the points that you're making and I don't really have a, have a, any kind of argument against them. But I'm starting to think that it's a little more about, you know, trying to, to scrape off the top for the Democrats really like they'll bring in, in, you know, illegal immigrants or legal immigrants just so long as those immigrants vote for them and donate to their campaigns.

[Tate Brown]

Well, that's the deal. That, that's the, that's the exchange. And so if they, if these people feel shortchanged by the Democrats on this, then yeah, they're going to sort of agitate. But the Democrats always fold every single time these people cry uncle.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story. We got this from Fox News. Renee Good's wife claimed Minneapolis shooting was quote, my fault in video amid anti ice fury. This is an interesting development, development in the story and it paints a picture of what happened. The quick gist, of course, is that following this shooting, the individual who died, Renee Good's wife is seen crying, saying, I made her come down here. It's my fault. Let me see if I can find the. Here is. I made her come down here. It's my fault. Additionally, in the report they state that that Renee Good's family said she would never have been part of anything like that and described her as compassionate and non confrontational. It sounds like this woman who was in her car, the reason why she attempted to flee was panic. She did accelerate towards the officer, the officer had been dragged before, likely feared for his life, opened fire on this woman. It seems like this woman in this vehicle was brought down and radicalized by this woman that she had been in a relationship with. My understanding is it's not actually her wife. They're reporting it as a de facto wife, meaning this reporting. It appears they're actually just in a relationship. They call each other wives.

[Philip Monte]

Dayton.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, social marriage, not a legit legal marriage. In which case it seems like this woman was in a relationship with this other woman, radicalized her, told her to come down and do this when she's obstructing the road. These people are LARPing and they don't understand the consequences. They think they're playing a game. And so this doofy dumb woman commits a felony, commits obstruction, radicalized by this woman, who then breaks down and says it's my fault. Now the question is people are going to push back and say no, no, no, she's saying it's my fault. Like I wanted her to come with me. Not that it's my fault all of this happened, but no, quite literally, the woman is in there crying because she's dead, saying it's my fault. I made her come down here. The point is this woman blurted out that she told this woman to come down to commit a felony. And in the process of committing the felony, the woman was killed. And guess what? She likely has some culpability here. Now the issue that we're seeing there was an article in the New York Post discussing whether or not this, this ICE agent is going to face charges. And they said likely no because it was a clean shoot, albeit regrettable. And that has to be the stupidest assessment I've ever heard in my life. This dude could, could, could take a dump on a ham sandwich that was owned by a Democrat and they're going to lock him up, okay? Let alone shoot a leftist protester. It doesn't matter what the law says, okay? If a leftist protester punches you in the face 50 times, so you shove them, they will arrest you for shoving the leftist protester. So this guy's going to get charged. Now, apparently he fled the scene. But in any legitimate legal sense, this wife, I believe has criminal culpability in encouraging an individual to commit a felony resulting in her death.

[Philip Monte]

Look, I understand your point, but I don't think that she's as innocent or as. I don't think she was very naive. I don't think she was naive. I think that she kind of knew what was going on down there. She's alleged to be a member of the National Lawyers Guild. They're basically the legal arm of Antifa, funded by Soros. So whereas maybe she didn't, you know, maybe she's not normally a protester, maybe she's not. She doesn't interact with the police all the time like, like the, the paid protesters or paid activists do. But I don't think that she's. I don't think that she's.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, you're misunderstanding. I'm not saying that this woman's never been an activist in her life and one day this woman said, come down and do this thing with me. I'm saying that you've got a broad scenario where the family doesn't understand why she would do something like this. Because over a period of time, recent, maybe it's six months, maybe it's a year, she was being radicalized by this woman who then told her to come down and engage in felony activity against law enforcement.

[Philip Monte]

I think that she was already radical.

[Tim Pool]

By nature, but I don't, I think a 37 year old white woman watched memes online from a lister celebrities and did not realize placing a vehicle in front of a federal law enforcement officer puts a bullet in your face.

[Philip Monte]

Like, like I said, if she's a.

[Tim Pool]

Lawyer, these Antifa people understand they will be shot. This lady had no idea what she was doing, otherwise she would not have accelerated into an officer.

[Philip Monte]

I think that she's probably not familiar with, with protests and stuff like that. But at the same time I don't think that she was ignorant of the situation because like I said, if she.

[Tim Pool]

Is a lawyer, you think that these middle aged women are aware that they're going to get shot and killed?

[Philip Monte]

I think that, honestly I think that a lot of middle aged women think they're above the law. Totally. Like in all contexts these people are.

[Tim Pool]

Don'T think it can happen. That's why when the police push them, they act like the apocalypse.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, I agree.

[Tim Pool]

That's why when they get arrested they say I have not been read my rights. Yeah. Because they literally don't know what's going on.

[Philip Monte]

I think that they think they're above the law.

[Tim Pool]

The reason. No, no, no, no. When they say. I think when they. My point is when they say I have not been read my rights. It's not a question of above or below the law. They literally don't know what the law is.

[Philip Monte]

Well, like I said, if she is a lawyer, she's aware of what the law is.

[Tim Pool]

Clearly she's not not aware. This woman in the car who tried to flee from federal officers. I mean, in what reality, if she actually escaped, was she gonna get away with it?

[Philip Monte]

No, I'm not. I mean, she wouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

But the.

[Philip Monte]

Just because.

[Tim Pool]

That's the point.

[Philip Monte]

Just because she made a dumb decision doesn't mean that she wasn't aware.

[Tim Pool]

My point is it seems more likely that she is an ignorant woman radicalized by memes and a significant other who didn't understand the severity of the action she was getting involved in. Her family didn't think she would do something like this. Committing a felony and then trying to flee. This is a woman radicalized by a list celebrities and memes and a woman said, come down and do this. It is a snowflake in the avalanche. There have been no consequences for these leftists. So a middle aged white woman who has no idea what this, how severe this is, engaging federal law enforcement thought she was going to accelerate and flee the scene after committing a felony. Now that is beyond ignorant. Okay, I watch these videos on Instagram where you see a dude and a motorcycle going 100 miles an hour on the highway fleeing cops and you're like, you're not getting away.

[Philip Monte]

You cannot run a radio. No.

[Tim Pool]

Or a helicopter.

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[Tim Pool]

Yeah, this woman doesn't understand what she's getting involved in. Antifa activists who organize this literally do and plan for this. And they, and it is my opinion her death was a contingency these activists hoped for and planned for. What we know about how antifa organizes in the far left is that they code people. They bring these events by color. Red, yellow and green. Green marked individuals are like her. Well, she might be. Actually, no, she might be green coded. The idea of the green, these are people who form the mass. You want them to get arrested intentionally, you trick them into getting arrested. Why? It radicalizes them. The yellow are the activists who are in the front leading the charge. And the red are the direct action people who hide in the crowd and instigate the fights to cause the violence. The way these plans work is you invite a bunch of doofy college kids to a protest and say it's a peaceful march. The plan they actually have, and I've seen these planning meetings during Occupy Wall street and the various activities. 10 years over the past 10 years, the direct action groups have a secret secondary meeting, a direct action planning, where they literally say, how do we maximize police brutality and arrests of the green category, if we can get 100 college kids who have no idea what's going on to show up and march, punch a cop, how many of them will get beaten and arrested? They, they intentionally want you to show up, to get arrested. Why? Because then when you go to jail, they say, why? Why are the cops doing this to you? Poor innocent victim. This woman is on the front lines, clearly having no idea what's going on, nor understanding the felonies she is committing. And then she tries to flee and in doing so put an officer in fear for his life. And he killed her. This is a contingency activists hope for in these meetings. They want martyrs and they got it. And now they have nationwide riots and protests.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

In the same way that we have a moral compass, right? We have a moral compass. We have a system of values that guides everything that we do. Marxists and Communists don't have that. Their system of values is what can we do that's going to get us closer to the revolution? What can we do that's going to get us closer to the rebellion? So, so they attack the law enforcement instead of attacking the law. They undermine the constitution because it's nationalism. And that's the worst thing that they can possibly think of. Communists want to overthrow the family, religion, history, truth, nations. And so anything that they can do to get a little bit closer to that, to break down the fabric of America a little bit more, they're going to do that. And we're seeing this and this is just a sacrifice for the revolution. That's how they see her.

[Tim Pool]

I have been to many an activist meeting and I have been. One of my favorite stories that I've told quite a bit is during an Occupy Wall street protest where they were chanting, ah, anti, anti capita lista. That's what they chant, right? Well, there was one guy who was going, blah nabi agiba dabasti da. He was just saying gibberish. And I'm not even kidding, it's not an exaggeration. And I was live streaming, so if you want to go find the you stream, if it still exists, you can see it. And I asked him, I was like, what are you chanting? And he goes, oh, I'm just chanting with the crowd. I was like, yeah, but what were you saying? And he was like, oh, I'm just, you know, chanting. And I was like, no, no, no, what are the words? He's like, I don't know. He didn't even know he was chanting. Anti capitalist. These were college kids who came down to Occupy Wall street, many of whom were tricked because the occupiers had. Radiohead was going to come play a concert, not a joke. Literally happened. 2000 people showed up being told Radio Radiohead was playing a free concert at the park. These weren't activists, they were doofs who are like, cool Radiohead. Then the activists say, we have to go march. People just say, okay, I guess they're walking down the street, all of a sudden they're getting whacked by cops. What happens next? They get arrested. The NYPD pulls up the orange kettling net. That's what they call it, the kettling net. Surround them, wrap them up, put them on a bus, send them to holding. Now you've got a 20 year old young woman who was looking for a Radiohead concert, who has no idea why she was arrested. And the cops are callous. The cops are like Shut up. You're under arrest. So they have no idea what's going on. Then the activists come in to radicalize and they say, aren't they evil? You didn't even do anything. You were just walking down the street and they attacked you. Why don't you sing songs with us? We're friends now. Here's my phone number. That's how they recruit.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't think that, that you're wrong in any of that stuff. It just in this context, like I said, if she's a lawyer, I think that she probably was, was at least aware of how things kind of went. Especially that, with the, with that National Lawyers Guild, you know, they're, they're in contact with antifa. They're.

[Tim Pool]

The National Lawyers Guild aren't necessarily lawyers.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, well, they're activists.

[Tim Pool]

The National. No, the National Lawyers Guild has observers who are not lawyers. Okay, well, so a legal observer is the person who's wearing a hat. And it's a, it's a non sanctioned distinction where a person says, I'm actually just observing. It's meaningless. The police can arrest you all the same. Your hat does nothing.

[Philip Monte]

Fair enough.

[Tim Pool]

It's like a press pass. So I don't know that she was actually a lawyer.

[Philip Monte]

Fair enough. So if she is. No, if she isn't, then, you know, you could be right. But, but like I said, if she was, my, my perspective on it is that she's not as. As much of an innocent bystanders as, as other people might think. You know, I think that, I just.

[Tim Pool]

Think if the argument is middle aged white women are actually planning the murder of federal agents.

[Philip Monte]

No, no, no, that's not the argument at all. The argument is that she was there thinking that she was going to go and she was going to help the Somali immigrant. She was going to get in the way of ice, because ICE are the bad guys. And she was. I do think you're, you're right that she was, you know, believe the line.

[Tim Pool]

You're saying that she did not. She, she did believe she would be shot and killed if she engaged law enforcement.

[Philip Monte]

No, I'm saying that she. I don't think so at all. I think that she was. She. Liberal white women tend to think they're above the law. I think that. And, and there's a lot of. It'll never happen to me, it doesn't happen to me. That happens to other people. So I don't think that she did. I don't think, I honestly don't think that she was trying to run the cop down.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, I think we're just talking past you there because my point is she was radicalized intentionally to come down to obstruct ice. Yeah, but I didn't understand that committing felonies against ICE result in death.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And I think what you guys are both. Yeah, I think.

[Tim Pool]

Which is we're saying the same thing.

[Philip Monte]

Okay.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And, yeah, I think what you guys are both getting at is that even if she does have some association with the lawyers Guild and these sorts of things, these people ultimately still have this sort of cocktail activism style where they really think that they can do these things.

[Tim Pool]

Luxury beliefs.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, but like, cocktail activism where they, There's a degree of edginess to it. They do know they're being a bit abrasive, but they don't expect, like, serious consequences for these things. They just expect maybe at the worst, they'll get a mug shot and then they can flaunt that. Yeah, they don't expect to get shot. So, yeah, I think that's sort of really what's going on here. So even if she is maybe in these sort of antifa adjacency recent organizations, I think even those people still underrate the moment that we're in and that this is a new paradigm and that the Trump administration really is. Trump himself is, I would probably assume, like, paranoid of having another 2020 replay. And all the actions he's made thus far indicate that he is really serious about putting a lid on this before it does escalate into Summer of Love 2.0.

[Tim Pool]

The principal activists, who are career activists, wanted her to die to create a martyr. But most of the frontline people, because these leftists don't put themselves in these positions, don't understand. They've seen so much leftist. They genuinely don't believe they're gonna get shot. Yeah, they don't think they're doing anything other than expressing their First Amendment, despite the fact she was committing, I think, two different felonies.

[Philip Monte]

Well, these people think that, like, they think that everything up to and including pushing police officers is an expression of your First Amendment. They think that they can assault police officers and get away with it because they're just there protesting. I'm at a protest, so I'm protesting. Doesn't matter that I'm throwing rocks at the cops. Right?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And these people are also in a different world. Like, we have to keep in mind, like, this isn't Dallas, this isn't Houston. This isn't Miami, like Minneapolis. These People literally remember five years ago when they were allowed to do whatever they wanted, and there was literally no pushback whatsoever. So these people are also just in a completely different world. Being in Minneapolis.

[Tim Pool]

I want to show you guys. We got a breaking report from the New York Times. They title it Video Con. Videos contradict Trump administration account of ICE shooting in Minneapolis. And surprise, surprise. What do they say in the video? They say the officer was not struck. They say that he was clear of the vehicle, then he shot her. It's a lie. So I'm gonna play the video from the New York Times and show you exactly what they said. But the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm going to show you a couple of things. First, we have this video, which, of course, we showed yesterday, but I want to play as much as I can to make sure everybody understands that what was actually going on. I'm going to play this for you now, and then I'm going to do a quick analysis before we get into the bulk of the story. All right, so the quick analysis first. The officer who. Who. Who does the shooting is standing to the right front of the vehicle. The SUV reverses with its wheels pointed leftward, making it curve to the right. At the same time, the officer looks like he makes about a step to his right. This aligns both of them in one direction. It's not a question of why was the officer standing in front of the car. The car turned, and it put him in front of the vehicle. Then the most important part. While the wheels are aimed leftward, they spin out. There you go. We've showed it a million and million times. Here's the front tire spinning on ice before accelerating straight forward. Briefly. This is an officer hearing an engine rev. Not seeing the tires, and the car jerks forward a little bit. He then draws the gun. And most importantly, the vehicle makes contact with him. How do we know? Quite simply, when you see the officer's feet, right. His leg right here, slide across the ground, see his feet sliding. It's. It's. Unless he jumped and slid his feet back, which is not what happened. The vehicle made contact with him, which you've already seen in other videos, and then he shoots. Now, before I show you the New York Times video, I want to show you this video. Viewer discretion is advised. A female officer in Baltimore standing much in the same place as this ICE agent with her gun drawn. As the Jeep continued to advance, Officer.

[Philip Monte]

Caprio got off one shot.

[Tim Pool]

WJZ won't show the rest, but a somber jury saw and heard Amy Caprio dying from massive crushing injuries. In this video, a video that's going viral, she's standing at about the same angle to the right of the front of the vehicle, gun drawn, and she dies in a second, getting crushed by the criminal. Now that you understand that, here's what the New York Times is presenting and watch how they speed things up. Warning the video includes graphic On Wednesday.

[New York Times Narrator]

In Minneapolis, a federal agent fatally shot a motorist, 37 year old Renee Nicole Good. Trump administration officials said these were quite defensive shots fired because the officer was being run over.

[Tim Pool]

A woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over.

[New York Times Narrator]

But our analysis of bystander footage filmed from different angles appears to show the agent was not in the path of the victim's SUV when he fired three shots at close range.

[Tim Pool]

Now I want to point a few things out. The the language the New York Times is using is carefully chosen and edited to manipulate you. When they say run over. Now the first thing I'll do is criticize the Trump administration and Trump himself, which I did yesterday for saying he was run over, which is not correct. And as predicted, it's being weaponized by the left to claim Trump's a liar. But outside of that, I can explain how they are lying. They combine two distinct statements that the individual was trying to run him over and and that he wasn't in the path. These this is a non sequitur. The vehicle, as we've already shown, accelerated towards the officer with its wheels pointed slightly left, putting the officer in reasonable fear of being run over, for which DHS said she tried to run him over. After he draws his weapon, the wheels then turn to the right. So these are distinct. Him not being in the path has nothing to do with whether or not she tried to run him over.

[New York Times Narrator]

Victim's SUV when he fired three shots at close range. Here's how events unfolded.

[Tim Pool]

Let's skip ahead to the first part of the shooting, actually.

[New York Times Narrator]

Then federal vehicles start moving toward the maroon SUV with sirens and lights blaring. A federal agent films the scene on his phone. The driver rolls forward slightly, turning left, then stops and waves for others to go ahead. Two agents exit this silver pickup and walk toward the vehicle. Moments later, shots are fired. Let's look at the scene again more closely.

[Philip Monte]

You hear him say get out of.

[New York Times Narrator]

The car is the agent who shoots the driver. He walks around the car filming and disappears from view. Other agents pull up and order the driver to exit her vehicle. Several times one of them grabs at the door handle and Reaches inside the suv, reverses, then turns right, apparently attempting.

[Philip Monte]

To leave now flee the scene.

[Tim Pool]

But. But you see what he's doing? Yeah, he's skipping over what everyone can see the tires here.

[New York Times Narrator]

Turns right, apparently attempting skid forward.

[Tim Pool]

The officer in front can't see what the woman is doing. And in a split second, as he draws his weapon, the wheels then begin to turn right. I believe the woman saw the gun and jerked the wheel to the right.

[New York Times Narrator]

At the same time, the agent filming crosses toward the left of the vehicle and grabs his gun because the vehicle accelerates towards him and continues shooting as she drives past. The moment the agent fires, he is standing here to the left of the suv.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Oh, wow.

[New York Times Narrator]

And the wheels are pointing to the right, away from the agent.

[Philip Monte]

And they stop it and they don't.

[New York Times Narrator]

This appears to conflict with allegations that the SUV was ramming or about to ram the officer.

[Tim Pool]

No, it doesn't. These people are evil. That's why you know what I did, the reason why I showed you the video before this one. It's information vaccination because you'd watch this and you'd hear this and you'd process it. But when you actually look at the, at the video in slow motion, we can see a few things. He's in front of the vehicle. We can see that while his feet are here, his feet slide, sliding because the vehicle made contact with him. More importantly, this part right here is the V is the tires spin, see the wheel spinning. That's the car about to ram him. But because of the ice, it's unable to. I don't believe the woman was trying to run an agent over. I think she was trying to escape and didn't care if she did.

[New York Times Narrator]

President Trump and others said the.

[Tim Pool]

Here's where it gets juicy.

[New York Times Narrator]

Was hit by the SUV and often to another video filmed from a different angle. And it's true that at this moment in this grainy low resolution footage, it does look like the agent is being struck by the suv.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is very, very important. I got to play this for you again. I want you to absorb what the man is saying.

[New York Times Narrator]

And it's true that at this moment, in this grainy low resolution footage, it does look like the agent is being.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.

[Tim Pool]

I, I'm sorry, I need to play this again because it's very important people hear exactly what he is saying.

[New York Times Narrator]

And it's true that at this moment in this grainy low resolution footage, it does look like the agent is being struck by the suv.

[Tim Pool]

It does look like the agent is being struck by the suv. Now do you believe the New York Times will come out and say he was not struck by the suv? He cast a doubt as to whether or not he was by saying it looks like he was. Certainly it does look like he was. And he slides on the ground because he was. He wasn't run over. He wasn't critically injured, but he was hit by the suv. And I would call it minor. Now listen to what the New York Times says next.

[New York Times Narrator]

But when we synchronize it with the first clip, we can see the agent is not being run over.

[Tim Pool]

And we can see the agent is not being run over. Now hold on. This is a classic planned manipulation technique for sales and persuasion. Assumptive language. He said two different things. Okay.

[New York Times Narrator]

Hit by the suv. This appears to conf. And others said the federal agent was hit by the suv.

[Tim Pool]

Hit by and run over are completely.

[New York Times Narrator]

Different, often pointing to another video filmed from a different angle. And it's true that at this moment in this grainy low resolution footage, it does look like the agent is being struck by the.

[Tim Pool]

Being struck by the.

[New York Times Narrator]

But when we synchronize it with the first clip, we can see the agent is not being run over.

[Tim Pool]

Run over. He has presented two distinct unrelated situations to trick people who don't understand. He said it looks like he's being hit, but upon inspection, he's not being run over. Well, that's true, he's not being run over. But the point of phrasing it that way is so that general. The general public will think in their mind the dots they connect is he actually was not hit at all.

[New York Times Narrator]

In fact, his feet are positioned away from the suv. The SUV crashes into a white car parked down the road. What? A bystander runs toward the collision.

[Tim Pool]

Now the reason why we cover things like this, it is not an accident. This was intentional. They wrote these things down and crafted this language intentionally to manipulate you. I want to show you this context as well. From the New York Post. ICE agent who opened fire on Renee Good was dragged and hospitalized by illegal migrant driver last year. I don't know if we have the. We do. Here's the image of the ICE agent. I believe this is. They're giving the guy's name. ICE agent Open Fire was hospitalized. And then this photo says A photo shared by CBS Minnesota showed ICE agent Jonathan Ross late in a hospital bed displaying his arms. Once covered in blood from deep gashes. The presumption is. Yeah, so they released his name, I guess this Guy had gotten 33 stitches and had dragged 330ft previously when in a similar situation. Ice has faced several terror attacks over the past year. I don't believe this one was intending to kill anybody. I just believe she didn't care if she rammed him in. In her escape. She did strike him. The New York Times, they are activists, they are liars, and they. I tell you how deep this runs. The guy speaking didn't just write this record it and publish it. It went through legal, it went through their editorial department, and I'm sure he's got a couple other people who worked on it. In fact, I bet there's credits. Here we go. Let's see the credits. How do you get rid of this stupid thing? You can't. There we go. Devin Lum, Robin Stein, Inara Tieflin, Thaler, Inara Tieflandar's editor, Courtney Brooks, and Mark Scheffler. All of these people coordinated the exact message to trick the public into thinking ICE murdered a woman for no reason. And the most egregious point, of course, is when he says, it does look like she. Like the officer was hit, but upon closer inspection, he wasn't run over. Now people are going to hear that and think, whoa, he wasn't actually hit. Because they're manipulating you. That's the game they're playing.

[Philip Monte]

I mean, this has become boilerplate for the left, at least for the media. That's kind of why people have largely turned away from the. The legacy media, at least, is because they know that the stories are not intended to inform you. They're intended to tell you what you're supposed to think. And it's, you know, basically it's. It's one narrative. And if you go to cnn, you'll get the same kind of narrative if you go to maybe not ABC and CBS anymore. What, Bear was at cbs, right? Yeah, maybe. Maybe not cbs, but NBC and abc. You're gonna get the same narrative. So that's why you're seeing, you know, CBS doing. What they're doing is, is because this narrative doesn't fly with people anymore. MSNBC or Ms. Now, like these, these, these channels, these, these news organizations, they're just activists and they're just trying to propagate a message.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

What's important here, like with the New York Times. Why the New York Times specifically, them conducting themselves in such an egregious matter? Because a lot of people in the audience are saying, well, who cares what New York Times has to say? Because, like, who's even reading it anymore, you know, it's no longer the paper of record, so to speak. Why this matters is because in Washington D.C. this is like how beltway politics works, is the majority of these Democrat staffers, maybe not the congresspeople themselves, but the people that are staffing them and like writing the policy. They read the New York Times, they listen to the New York Times products. So they are hearing this and this is what they are perceiving to be true. So again, it's easy for us in the audience, especially people here on Rumble or, or whatnot, in this kind of alt media space, to just ignore them and say, why does it even matter what they say anymore? Because they're a dying business. Which is, which is true. But there's a lot of people that are fairly influential, that are not terribly smart, that will literally get their programming from the New York Times. And so that's why it actually is extremely relevant what information they're putting out. Because still, for a large group of not insignificant amounts of people, they are still the paper record.

[Philip Monte]

They're the people that consume two hours of news a week because they get watched 30 minutes here, 30 minutes there.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think they consume news at all.

[Philip Monte]

Well, I mean, if they're to be able to see this stuff, they have to consume some news.

[Tim Pool]

I think what happens is millions of people read the New York Times and then go tell their friends. And most of these people just hear it from some guy.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Every. I mean, I've come out of corporate America, like there's always that one guy in the office who perceives himself to be the arbiter of like the latest news. He prides himself off of being this wonk and this news junkie.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And he's typically a dork and that's why people actually kind of listen to him. And, and he's the type of guy that's going to disseminate any information that he hears from the New York Times because he perceives it to be like a position of authority. And with their snappy editing, it's very like kind of well packaged and these sorts of things. It feels authoritative. And especially for these people that are midwits, they're going to see that and go, wow, this must be true. I mean, President Trump, he's so kitschy and dork, you know, there's no way that he could possibly be on the money here.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

So a big thing that they're missing when they do this whole report is that reasonable fear of imminent deadly force justifies self defense. And they have left out completely that part about what that cop was seeing. He was seeing. Who does? Like a person who's. I suck tonight. Okay, so he's seeing. So did you hear any of that? All right, okay. So reasonable fear of imminent deadly force justifies using self defense. And what he was seeing is this woman, crazy or not, she's repeatedly ignoring the order, get out of the car, get out of the car. Get out of the car. And she has 2 tons of steel and 200 horsepower that she's turned into a weapon and is pointing at him. But they, you know, skip over that part. What we're seeing as. As a libertarian, we're seeing the libertarian faction split on this because we're seeing ICE bad, open borders. Good. And that's versus the people who are like, self defense is good. You know, so whether he was a cop is. Is not relevant to this in particular. And I know some people are going to have a problem with that, but it's not. He's a human being.

[Tim Pool]

The debate just doesn't even matter. We're so far past argument at this point.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Yes. And people will say, okay, well, so do you feel that way about Ashley Babbitt? You must think that that was justified. It's like, no, she wasn't pointing 2 tons of steel at the cop. She was unarmed. She was this one tiny little woman that was unarmed, got shot for no reason. Like, no, those are not the same thing.

[Tim Pool]

But you're not going to convince the Krassenstein's. You're right. There's no point in even having the debate. We can just literally say Ashley Babbitt was on our side. So it's wrong. Yes, there's. There's literally you. We could say something rational like, Ashley Babbitt stepped up on the, on the trim and looked through a window, Got shot in the face, shot in the neck. That's crazy. This one was behind the wheel of a car and accelerated towards an officer. They're very different. Doesn't matter. We're not convincing anybody. The people on the right are already like, ICE is doing their job. You got in the way. And Ashley Babbitt was unarmed. And the left is already saying, we don't care. Ashley Babbitt was an insurrectionist. And if someone's allowed to drive her car, ICE agents.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, I mean, I grabbed that little clip where you can see the guy's leg slide and where you can see the. The. You see the spin and then you see the weight transfer, the ascend of the SUV kind of dips a little bit because of the weight transfer, because she starts accelerating like people didn't care. They're just like, no, that's all blah, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't matter.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there's, there's that vi. Viral post from that female claiming to be a lawyer where she just lied about literally everything. Got millions of views. Yeah, it's all manipulative, manipulative language. And she starts by saying, I'm a, I'm a former defense attorney with no political dog in this fight. And I watched the video 10 times and I can tell you. And then she goes on lie about everything.

[Philip Monte]

And to be honest with you, like, you're a defense attorney. If you were a prosecutor, you might, you might have a different perspective. You know, you might be actually looking at, well, you know, maybe the. How, how would you justify what the police did? Because to be honest with you, with the police officer in front of the car and the car moving forward doesn't matter where the wheels were turned, it doesn't matter anything like that. The police officer's in front of the car, the car is moving forward. That's justified. It's justified use of force. It's that simple. The car is moving forward, the police officer is in front of the car. That's it.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

This manipulated language is designed to target people who are just like this, this woman who, who got hit. She's a limousine liberal, you know, she's a middle aged white woman and she's got this suicidal empathy. And they also, I think to some extent believe that there's been a chilling effect because of George Floyd for whether or not they could potentially get shot. Like, no, no cops gonna want to do that. You saw what happened to that. And then they also believe that the celebrities are gonna bail them out, so why not? But speaking as a mother who's around her age, who has three, three children, this, this was not rationally done. When, when you're a parent, you put your children before anything else in the idea of going down to this. Like, I believe she's been brainwashed. Like, like Tim had said. I believe that this woman she was dating did brainwash her to become an activist. There's no amount of anything that could make me risk my life and leave my children here. That just wouldn't happen as a rational, thinking person. So I believe that there was some other aspect that was brainwashing her. And whether it be the news, whether it be the woman that she was with, I don't know. But that's not Something that a mother does. She did not put her children first that day.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And to set the scene for this whole thing, what people are forgetting, how did all of this start in Minneapolis in the first place? It was literally Nick Shirley walking with the camera, exposing the very obvious fraud going on in Minneapolis. And then Kirsten Ohm saying, yeah, we kind of need to send a message in Minneapolis. We're going to deploy 3,000 DHS agents. That's how all of this started. So these people are quite literally willing to put their bodies on the line for people that absolutely hate them, that want to defraud them, take their country away from them. And then on the flip side, they celebrate the death of a husband, a father, a patriot. So it's like we're post debate. There's no debate to be had. This is a team sport at this point. And I'm sorry to have any of the audience that's like thinking we can debate our way out of this, we can argue our way out of this. Maybe we just need to like, come up with a better idea in the marketplace of ideas. You know what their idea that they're selling in the marketplace of ideas is. Is.

[New York Times Narrator]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Kill you. That's. That's their idea. It's very simple. At the very least, the more generous people, their idea is, let's defraud you and take your country away from you.

[Philip Monte]

Gulags.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, they said, and the right is let's try and have an argument to win an election.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, well, the.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, I'm sorry, the retard right is I don't know what's going on, but Israel's bad. Then the Republicans are like, well, let's propose a new budget to help deal with this.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. It's literally Trump like, hey, we need to use the executive power. The retard. Right. Saying, let's just accelerate our way out of this. It's like, yeah, that worked so great in South Africa. And then like the rest of the Republican Party, that's like, maybe we need a new discretionary budget. I think that might be the way out of this. And potentially we can have, have some sort of cocktail debate hour and potentially NPR way out of this.

[Philip Monte]

I mean, I would hope that some of the more the handful of based Congress people in Congress are having some influence. I mean, you look at the administration, right. At least the Trump administration, the executive branch, most of the people in the executive branch are far closer to having their finger on the pulse than anyone in Congress.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, absolutely. Well, for good reason, because they have to, like, make it through a primary that people actually have eyeballs on, where these congressmen, they just slip through with, like, one one opposition. And there's like a few. I mean, Mary Miller came out and she was like, invoke the Insurrection Act. Arrest Tim Waltz. Like, a few of them are good on this issue, but the vast majority of them are, like, still hung up on you name it.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from Forbes. Tim Waltz approves National Guard support for Minnesota police as protests flare up. Tim Waltz authorized the state National Guard be prepared to support local law enforcement Minnesota on Thursday. Responding to protests that erupted after an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent shot and killed a woman in Minneapolis Wednesday, Wallace office said in a statement, the Minnesota National Guard will be staged and ready to support local and state law enforcement in protecting critical infrastructure and maintaining public safety. Adding, his office has every reason to believe that peace will hold. It's funny because he's basically deploying the National Guard against the protesters he's pretending to support. But the rumor is he activated the National Guard to try and preempt Trump from doing so. Now, Trump still can, but the game he's trying to play is, no, no, we've got a plan already for them. And if Trump comes in, he'll try and claim that Trump is trying to make them unsafe. Now, here's where it gets funny. Over at Kalshee, Tim Waltz out as governor. You've got three choices before February. Wow. 3%. Before July. 21%. Before 2027. 32%. The reason why this matters, his term ends January of 2027. And there are people wagering $1.3 million he is going to be removed from office one way or another before that happens. So I do find all of this interesting considering he dropped out of the race after the Somali fraud scandal was exposed. Now with the shooting, now with the National Guard, I don't believe this guy lasts. I think he's gonna get nuked. And before we kick off everything, I wanna say shout out to Kalshi for sponsoring the segment. Thanks for sponsoring us, but what do you guys think? You think Waltz. Waltz makes it?

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's tough for him to stay in office or make the case to the people of Minnesota that he should stay in office when he's already conceded that he is not viable as a governor going forward. So at that point, it's just obvious. The question is, why are you still in office? And again, if the. If the reason why he's dropping out is that the fraud scandal is so detrimental to him that the internal polling has come in and it's like showing him completely underwater. Then at a certain point, they might have to make the same calculation that the Biden Kamala administration had to make, which is maybe if we replace you, then that can build up the profile of a potential challenger. It's again, you can't just say, hey, I am not fit to be governor in 2027 and still claim to be fit for governor in 2026.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he's also been been referred for a criminal prosecution for the DOJ by Anna Paulina Luna.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

They were saying Amy Klobuchar could potentially take his place as governor and then she could appoint him to Senate. Is that true? Is that the way it works in Minnesota?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Well, I mean, if he's in jail. No, but yeah, I mean, in theory, yeah.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

My idea is that they're going to find somebody who's more corrupt or just as corrupt as him, but just only slightly less retarded so that they don't, they don't screw up and get revealed like he does.

[Tate Brown]

I think Klobuchar has, she has, still has presidential ambitions or potentially maybe even vice president ambitions. So I can't imagine her leaving her Senate seat. But there seems to be some fairly high profile people that are speculating that potentially she could jump into the race.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not, I'm not really all that. I don't have a strong feeling either way about what will happen should he leave, other than I want to see him face charges. I think that he's, he's totally involved in the, in the corruption. I think that he's, he's been doing everything he can to cover for the people that are stealing money from the taxpayer. And I want to see him arrested. I want to see a trial. And if it, if it turns out that he is, then I want to see him in jail.

[Tate Brown]

He has a good insurance policy because his lieutenant governor, Peggy Flanagan's even crazier. I mean, if you want to play some sort of fun drinking game.

[Philip Monte]

Let's talk about him going to jail, though.

[Tate Brown]

I agree. And if you want to play some sort of fun drinking game, go to Peggy Flanagan's Wikipedia and look at what her, like, native name is. And it's literally like 80 consonants back to back. I mean, this lady is like, you look at her and she quite literally screams HR department. And so Tim Walter is a heck of a insurance policy in which that his lieutenant governor is even crazier than.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, but these are federal charges. So I mean, yes, they might. Maybe Minnesota has an insurance policy to get someone in that that would be friendly to Democrats. But if he gets brought up on federal charges of.

[Tate Brown]

No, totally agree. I'm just saying, like, you get the scalp, it's still like you're not really solving the issue in Minnesota.

[Philip Monte]

Well, I mean, look, if you put a couple people in jail, I do think that that'll have an effect. Honestly, I do think I'm just. Because people right now, like, like Tim was saying earlier, like, these people believe they're above the law.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Philip Monte]

And the more we can actually arrest people, have trials, have, have legitimate proof that they've broken the law, and then they go to jail for it. That's the only way to stop it.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

This is also one of those things that moves the revolution forward. Because what did he do? He ran for Vice President of the United States. Now he's broken the law and the federal people are going to come after him, you know, and so they're going to the left could frame it. Like, look at them coming after their political opponents, you know, because nobody remembers that they went after Trump at this point. Now, now, now this has completely been reframed, but that's just another way to move the revolution forward. I'd also like to add that Amy Klobuchar looks exactly like Madame Medusa from the Rescuers. And I can't ever unsee it. Pull it up. Yeah.

[Philip Monte]

She's also very, very violent and aggressive.

[Tate Brown]

She like, throws combs.

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[Tate Brown]

Or no, she eats salad with a cow.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Yeah, no, she's perfect. She's really perfect for live action.

[Philip Monte]

But, yeah, like I said, I mean, my hope is that there's. Because people keep saying all the time, I want to see arrests, I want to see people in jail. And I agree. I do want to, because I believe that there is a ton of corruption. I hope that the. That the investigations happening in California, because I think that they're doing the same kind of thing in California. It looks like they're doing the same kind of thing in Maine. It's. It's happening. I think there's. There was some stuff going on in Ohio. So I want to see all these people.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Philip Monte]

Arrested, brought up on charges, and I want to see them put in jail.

[Tate Brown]

Well, my initial point wasn't because. I totally agree. I think my initial point is we shouldn't be making arrests in pursuit of better governance because it's just going to result. The reason you pursue arrest is quite literally justice and sending a message.

[Philip Monte]

Yes, 100%.

[Tate Brown]

That's what it is. It's like, there's some people that are like, we got to arrest Elon Omar. How could someone like her get in? It's like they're just going to vote for another Somali. Yeah. Complicated.

[Philip Monte]

The point. The point. Yeah. I agree with you totally. But the. You look at people saying, oh, you got to arrest Trump. You got to arrest Trump, and It's like, fine, J.D. vance to be the vice president. Be the president. So what it's like, I mean, I don't want to see Trump. I don't particularly want to see Trump arrested, but if he actually did something that was illegal and it was, you know, you had proof, I'd be fine with Donald Trump going to jail.

[Tim Pool]

It would be J.D.

[Philip Monte]

Vance. No problem. I like J.D. vance. Cool. Because the point is, I want to see good governance. I want to see, you know, I want to see, you know, the actual. The people that have actually committed crimes, the people that are fleecing the system, the people that are stealing from the taxpayer. I want to see those people face charges because I want to see Less of that in the future. And I do think that deportations tie into that because I do think that the like, like I was saying earlier, the Somali community in Maine was saying, look, you know, you, you brought us here, so basically, or, I mean, we cut. We voted for you, so you have to cover us when we, when we, when we break the law.

[Tim Pool]

That's.

[Philip Monte]

I mean, he came out and said it, right? He was like, look, you know, you have to, you have to cover for us, and if you don't cover for us, we're not going to vote for you. Well, it's like that, that seems like, not, not that I'm particularly versed on what Somali culture is like, but that seems like the way that it works in Somalia, right? Like, everybody's in on the take. Everybody takes a br. Can you hear about that kind of stuff all over the third world, where it's normal. And if you bring that here and they expect that kind of behavior from Democrats and Democrats are complying, those people need to go to jail. And the people that are saying, well, you should do this, they need to be deported, because we don't do that here. Like, America's not a third world country, and I'm not okay with it becoming a third world country. So if there are people that are going to try to make it a third world country, send them back.

[Tate Brown]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

So true.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Tim Waltz is really trying to deflect from the Somali daycare scam and really come up as this leader and, and this grandfather, father type figure when it comes to this, this woman that, that just, that just died, you know, so he gets up and he makes the speech and he's like, we'll bring in the National Guard. And he's like, and there are National Guard. You know, Trump can do the funniest thing because he has significant unilateral power when it comes to the Insurrection act of 1807. He has the power to determine that conditions amounting to rebellion exists and then deploy federal troops and federalize that National Guard.

[Philip Monte]

Look, I want to see as much as, as many things as the administration can do legally, I want to see them do them. I want to see them do it. I want to see as much pressure put on these, on these people as they possibly can. If it takes nationalizing the, the, the National Guard in, in Minnesota, do it like, I don't care, just so long as it's. It's legal, like, you know, by the Constitution, do it. Exercise as much power as you possibly can. Because we've said this a Bunch. When the Democrats get in, they're going to exercise a lot of power and, and at some point there's going to be some Democrat that's, that's going to win again. Hopefully it won't be the, the crazy leftist type. Hopefully. I mean, in, in a perfect world, there would be enough arrests where this kind of stuff would change and, and we'd get actually normal Democrats. And so we would have, you know, maybe you're arguing about the, the marginal tax rate again, that would be nice. But if you don't put these people in jail, you're only gonna get more radicals in the Democrat party.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, and you're just gonna continue to get. People like people are so frustrated with everyone sort of playing it fast and loose with the Constitution or making it fit into whatever they're trying to get done. The reason for that is because we're kind of post Constitution in a lot of ways. Like the culture that actually made up the country that sort of ratified the Constitution is gone. So the only way we're actually going to restore anything and sort of bring the, make the Constitution sort of an act of living relevant document is you need to like recreate those conditions that led to people buying into the Constitution in the first place. Where right now, again, like I said, we're post Constitution. So it's like most people see the Constitution as an impediment to what they're trying to do. When, when the Constitution was ratified, people are just like, yeah, that, that makes sense. Like I kind of surprised we needed to write that down.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah. And look, I, I agree with you totally. Like, that's exactly how the left looks at the Constitution. It's, it's an impediment because they, they think that they should just be able to go ahead and do whatever they want, exercise power. But like you were saying, like, the only thing that's going to actually make the Constitution more relevant today is likely a lot, a lot more deportations.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

You have to restore a populace that.

[Tim Pool]

Reflects that, I think. Yes, but there's so much more to the bigger picture considering there's many affluent white female liberals. We have, we've seen this for 10 years now. The liberals have an out group preference. This is not something that's solved just by saying we're going to arrest criminals. This country is split between a psychotic death cult and everyone else. How do you solve for that? There's no off ramp.

[Philip Monte]

Well, deportations are a start.

[Tim Pool]

Deportations target many people who aren't actively fomenting and engaging in these things. It does help in terms of voting for sure. But you'll still have leftist, white, college educated antifa types who are going to shoot you in the face.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and look, you're going to have to have, there's, there's definitely going to be significant, significant civil rights.

[Tim Pool]

I have no idea why I can't pause this video.

[Philip Monte]

There's going to be civil unrest from this, this kind of stuff. Sure. But if we get contra, if we get the, the government that we're, that we should have, I think that it'll take a lot of arrests and a lot of putting people in jail, but you could actually stamp that kind of stuff.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

And family fathers.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree. I think it'll take a lot more than that. But let's, let's do this. Here's a video from Roz Alerts. This is breaking out of New York. Large crowds have gathered and are calling for the execution of Kristi Noemi. So you heard him, they said Kristi Noem will hang. And we also have this. Posted by Rapid Response 47 apparently we don't got audio. Where's the audio on this thing? Let me refresh. Says it's working. Nope. Yeah, we're not getting audio out of this one. It says left wing agitators threaten the lives of our immigration officials. We're going to effing find you. We're going to effing kill you. You're going to effing die, bitch. Directly inspired by Democrat politicians, they say so arrests aren't going to get us, get us out of this. You can take a look at every revolution or civil war arrests. Just agitate. If you go around arresting a bunch of these leftists, they will use that and recruit with it. So what I see with all of this going on is the hyperpolarization in this country is so extreme. You're not gonna go in and arrest 80% of California. And 80% of California is gonna. Maybe not 80, but 70% holds these views. So if you go and arrest antifa, the entirety of people in California are like, you're wrong.

[Philip Monte]

Well then everything that follows is just.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

TOS violations When it comes to our Constitution. John Adams to Patrick Henry, they all said that our Constitution would only work if we all shared a similar moral framework. And they had related that to like a Christian moral framework. But now we have people who take bribes and eat cats and eat dogs and want you dead for disagreeing with them. That's not a shared moral framework. It feels like the only way that we could all survive is with a national divorce, is to separate the country into two and say, okay, Republicans over here and liberals over here. And that's not gonna work either.

[Tim Pool]

That won't work because of natural resources as well as weapon depots.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

And nobody wants to give up that kind of, that kind of power.

[Tate Brown]

Not to mention that we don't have any states that are like, overwhelmingly one.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Sort of.

[Tate Brown]

Most states are like 60, 40.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

The best thing to do that's.

[Tim Pool]

That's the same thing for the American Civil War. So the first Civil War, as it were. You will get people voting and there will. There's always going to be a degree of people who disagree. In the American Revolution, you had the Declaration of Dependence, which I'm sure you're familiar with.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

They had the Declaration of Dependence was the. It was the loyalists answer to the Declaration.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And there was maybe around was like 20 to 30% were loyalists.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, Those are still like regional pockets where in America it's like one city in a state is deep blue and then the rest of the state's red. Where back then there was more geographically based. So a national divorce. It's like, okay, for example, you split off Illinois. Well, it's still going to be Chicago, but.

[Tim Pool]

No, but that was true in the Civil War.

[Tate Brown]

The loyal.

[Tim Pool]

So like Virginia. Virginia initially voted 2 to 1 against joining the Confederacy. And then after Abraham Lincoln dispatched troops, they voted 2 to 1 in favor of the Confederacy. You still had a third of the state, Maryland, for instance. Abraham Lincoln went and arrested them all. And they were, they were. They were locked out, basically. Delaware and Maryland were slave states, but they were north of D.C. the point is, yes, look, if California decided to secede or something like that, the Republican. The conservatives in California aren't going to be like, oh, no, they're going to be like, whatever you say, man. Because California is going to be like, we'll take your homes from you. We'll seize your assets. They're going to be like, no, no, no, just whatever you say, man. And the liberals in the red areas are going to be like, look, just whatever you say, man. You will get partisan violence. Yeah, Pockets will pop up. That happens everywhere, all the time. But largely, I don't think that's the biggest factor. The bigger factor is going to be that Arizona is going to cease to exist, that Nevada will cease to exist. Whoever controls the Colorado river is going to shut California down. So Southern California. Oh, man, can you imagine what would happen if they just locked out the Colorado river and you got 13 to 20 million people in Southern. In SoCal, who will no longer have drinking water.

[Philip Monte]

Walking dead.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, dude, they're gonna be eating. Eating each other and drinking blood.

[Tate Brown]

Not to mention, like, the thing that frustrates me a little bit about the national divorce rhetoric, among, among other things, is, like, this has been the case for the last 70 years. The United States is. It's just the right making concessions. It's never the left making concessions. So the only situation in which a national divorce would ever actually occur would be the right, like, walking away from the table. And that's really frustrating. Like, I think. I do think we're past time where the right should be playing for keeps. I think the right should be imposing their will on the left rather than the sort of the right always retreating at every single.

[Tim Pool]

If the right said, we're gonna secede, the left would say, we're gonna kill.

[Tate Brown]

You now, so be it. Like, we go at it.

[Tim Pool]

But, like, my point is, regardless of what you want to do, war happens, right?

[Philip Monte]

So everyone should start playing Milsim Airsoft.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's an example of where I think the right should feel a little confident in themselves.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

The best thing.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree. We've heard this all the time about how conservatives are just better and they're armed. Well, California has National Guard, too, and they have military. And when California goes to their young enlisted people who are trained, they are going to side with Gavin Newsom.

[Tate Brown]

Yes, I agree. But, like, for example, you do have red State National Guard still. And as well, the Trump administration is making massive changes. Pete Hex has been making massive changes in the structure of the military. Probably not primarily, but probably in anticipation, in case something were to happen. There will be a loyalty test within the military. And that's why it's so important to be, like, taking out all these woke generals.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Because the hope is when Trump flicks the switch, the military and the National Guard in these states side with the federal government and shut down the Democrats. But that would mean we come to a point where Democrats are like, that's it. We are no longer adhering to the U.S. constitution. And then the U.S. military removes them from power to keep union cohesion. If that happens. Otherwise, what happens is Gavin Newsom comes out and says, I'm in command now, and you will not listen to Trump. And you can go to some enlisted or, you know, even an officer to a certain degree in California and say, I'm gonna take your home from you.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I agree.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna take your bank account from you, and they're gonna be like, no, no, no, no. I'm with you. I'm with you, man.

[New York Times Narrator]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

No, I totally agree, because this was before in the Biden years, where people would make this argument and they'd be like, well, you know, the majority of guys in the military are conservative, which is true. But, like, as we can see with, like, police unions, it's just. It's tougher. When you threaten people's livelihoods, you just end up shaking out a lot of those guys. Like the military we saw during COVID they passed the vaccine mandate, and that shook out a lot of our best guys.

[Tim Pool]

And so they banned the Gadsden flag.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They went around to social media profiles and removed people who had Gadsden flag, despite it being the flag of Virginia.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. So it's like, even if it's true now that the majority of the military is based on. And that is true. At least the guys that make up the military are based. They will come up with mechanisms to shake out the base guys before it really comes to blows. Like, they're not going to roll in and just hope these guys are. Be loyal.

[Philip Monte]

That's true. But the, like, if they shake those guys out, those guys don't, like, forget the things that they knew in the military. Oh, that's why I. I just.

[Tim Pool]

People live in movies, man. Commie butcher says National Guard will not side with Newscom. Okay. Y' all watched Rambo. The National Guard, they're our cooks. They're our chefs. They work in our kitchens and our schools. They're our neighbors. People seem to think that National Guard are the same thing as the Army. When there's a dude who works on weekends for the California National Guard and Newsom threatens to take your children from you, he is going to lick Gavin Newsom's feet. And you know what? I know it's crass and probably offensive, and it's meant to be a little bit, but I guarantee you, with the left not having children and the right having kids, that's a tremendous amount of leverage the left will use against you. And you will see, there's going to be a guy. It's as simple as a guy you've known forever pointing his gun at you and saying, I'm sorry, but I won't let my kids die. Right. If. If there's a natural disaster and there's two houses, each family has children. They got two kids. The kids are diabetic. I guarantee you, if House A runs out of insulin, the dad is going to Go to put a bullet in the mouth of the other dad to get the insulin for his daughter. They're not going to watch their children die. And this is the basis of much of earthly conflict that we have seen. People saying, go near my kids and I will end you, or my kids need food and I will do whatever I have to do to get it. And inversely powerful people saying, if you don't serve me, I will kill your kids. And this is not going to be explicit, but this is the question asked of the generals in the Civil War. My home or my country. And if where you live and the food you have and your resources are tied to the governance of a Democrat, these people are not gonna be hyper partisan. They're gonna say, tell me where to stand. And that's the conflict you're gonna get. Trump is then going to go to loyalist states and he's going to say, quell the rebellion. And then you get fighting. Right now we're looking at, we're looking through the thin veneer of this with Tim Waltz deploying the National Guard, stating, we will not let the federal government use us as a prop. He's a. He's. He's saying, the National Guard's being deployed to stop Trump and the feds, and now they're literally fighting federal law enforcement. We saw already in Portland when the feds aided at a. I'm sorry, not the feds. The local police aided and abetted Antifa who had been obstructing ice, and ICE went to arrest them and the local cops protected them. Or the arrest of Nick Sorter. I don't understand why people don't get this.

[Tate Brown]

No.

[Tim Pool]

No cop would arrest an innocent conservative. They've been doing it. Did Andy. No. Get any help from these people? Did you guys see what happened to Nick Sorter the other day when he called Minneapolis PD and said, they're threatening me. I need help. They said, we're not going to help you. And it's like, what am I supposed to do? Like, too effing bad. And then he got chased and had, had, had to evacuate. Imagine calling the police in Minnesota thinking, they're going to help you. The police in Minnesota are Antifa. They are the left. You're basically Antifa. Quick, help me from. Save me from Antifa.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

I think the best thing to do for people is to get to a state that represents your values. And I know people say, oh, you always say that. Well, I did it. I lived in Massachusetts and I moved to Florida. And I suggest other people do that our Constitution was designed to be limited central government. And they proposed it, and with it, it came up with the general welfare clause, the necessary and proper clause, the supremacy clause. And, you know, New York hated it, and Rhode island hated it, and North Carolina hated it. So John Hancock was like, hey, guys, how about a Bill of Rights? And like, yeah, that's a great idea. So then James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights. So what that means is that there's the ninth amendment and the tenth Amendment. The ninth Amendment says, just because we didn't write it down, it's not a right. And the 10th Amendment says, well, if it's not written in the articles, then that right belongs to the states and to the individuals. So we saw that during. After Covid. During COVID where, you know, Florida was free. Florida didn't have anything. Any policies going on with COVID But New York was all locked down, and California was all locked down, and these states were failing. And we saw states rights in action. We saw it work in action so well. The central government that we have now has grown mammoth proportions. We still have states rights, and we're still able to live in states that are freer.

[Tim Pool]

We don't. States rights.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Yes. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

I think the 10th Amendment has been. The Bill of Rights is Swiss cheese.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Why do you think that Florida. Why do you think Florida looks so different from New York?

[Tim Pool]

Because the federal government hasn't decided to go and crush them.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Why wouldn't they have decided under Biden and Kamala to go and crush DeSantis?

[Tim Pool]

Resources, time, energy, and different priorities. They certainly opened the border to allow a bunch of illegal immigrants to come into the country in places like Texas. And then they sent federal. They sent federal law enforcement to go and fight with Texas National Guard. So did that violate. Violate the rights of Texas when. When Biden sent federal agents to go fight Texas State Guard?

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

I mean, where are you representing?

[Tim Pool]

Biden cut down the concertina wire on the border of Texas, and he removed the barriers in Arizona.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

When it comes to the border, that's article four, section four. So that's actually.

[Tim Pool]

So the states have no right to protect their borders.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

I believe they do. I believe they do.

[Tim Pool]

But is that reserved to them in any way?

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Yes. So when the federal government is not protecting the border, so the federal government came in and said, hey, we're gonna. You know, we're in charge of the border here. And they got in and did that. However, if they're not fulfilling their duty, the 10th Amendment comes in and says, okay, since they're not fulfilling Their duty, then that means the states have the right to fulfill their duty. So that's when Texas brought in the guard, and that's when Florida sent their guard over to defend the border as well, when the federal government was sherping their duty.

[Tim Pool]

So like the vaccine mandates, those were all state level?

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Yeah. Right.

[Tim Pool]

And when the federal government tried to make it mandatory that businesses with more than 100 employees, that was not state.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Level, Some of it was.

[Philip Monte]

They went to the Supreme Court.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So the, the. I think it's fair to say that certainly it's in the Constitution, but we don't have constitutional rights. The federal government does it if they want to.

[Philip Monte]

I mean, look, at the end of the day, like Mao was right, all, all power comes out of the barrel of gun. So yes, the government has. The government.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's, I think the better phrase is might makes.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, might makes.

[Tim Pool]

No, I didn't say Mike makes. Right, Mike makes. No one ever said anything about being moral or correct. But those with might will get what they want. And the left is exerting it and they're proving it. And what they do is when you challenge them on this, they respond with, so you're saying might makes right? I never said it was right. I said you're doing evil things, but if you have the power to do it, you're gonna do it. And that's what we've seen for a long time. Congress is largely symbolic. When was the last time we declared a war deploying National Guard from states overseas? I would argue that violates state rights.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

It does.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So when has the Bill of Rights actually been applied? The Constitution was written down and today everyone is a textualist, not an originalist. Because if we were originalists, we wouldn't have guns. The states could ban them. If we were originalists, it would be illegal to blaspheme. But we're textualists. So right now the problem people have is they say liberals are textualists and we're originalists, but we're not everyone. So for those that aren't familiar, it means liberals argue the text of the law as it applies to our language. And originalists argue what was the intent of, of the, of the article, of the, of the, of the amendment. Neither liberals nor conservatives believe in the true original text of the Constitution. Neither, for like example being second Amendment originally, was that the federal government couldn't ban you from having guns, but states could. That's why in the 80s you couldn't get guns.

[Philip Monte]

Well, most of the states have some, Most of the State's Constitution reflected.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. So it's separate. The Second Amendment was explicitly that federal law enforcement of any kind or military couldn't take your guns from you. Now, if the state wanted to, they could. And in fact, that was normal. You'd ride up in a tent on your horse and the deputy would say, sir, hand over your weapons. And you go, okay, now we've changed that. Free speech is a great example. I think it wasn't until 1840 was like the last blasphemy case. We have free speech, but you better not say naughty things about Christ the Lord.

[Philip Monte]

I feel like this, this argument ignores the Ninth Amendment because the Ninth Amendment says that, that the, the, the freedoms or the liberties protected by this Constitution or in the Bill of Rights are not intended to say that these are the only freedoms they have. So basically what the Ninth Amendment does is it reaffirms that people are free. Right. It says.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Philip Monte]

Just because the, just because it's not specifically stated in here.

[Tim Pool]

What does that to do with what I'm saying?

[Philip Monte]

Because, because you're so, you're, you're saying, oh, well, they could do this.

[Tim Pool]

The original intention of the First Amendment did not include blasphemy.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, but that.

[Tim Pool]

We've changed.

[Philip Monte]

But then, but then when you go, you. The way that it works, though, is you're assumed to be free to be able to do what you want. The, the original intent doesn't specify anything. So you have to go to the Supreme Court and say, hey, this is, this is actually a violation of the court.

[Tim Pool]

All right, but just, just, just to make sure we clarify and get it to down to brass tacks here, my point is that in 1789, the First Amendment did not protect blasphemy. In 2026, it does.

[Philip Monte]

Was it brought before the Supreme Court and then they reversed it, or were you just saying that those laws were passed? Because the way that it works is you're assumed to be free. You're assumed to do whatever you want.

[Tim Pool]

They think black penalty is still illegal in some states. And it's just, it's a cultural thing where we stopped enforcing against it.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, but the point that I'm making is the. You're assumed to be free and do whatever you want. Things that are in the Constitution are specifically protected. You're assumed to be free by the Ninth Amendment. And then states will go ahead and pass laws and they'll try to infringe on your rights. And then if you go and you petition the government, you say, look, this is actually protected, then the Supreme Court will say, okay, actually, yes or no, that is.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not following. The federal government said you can't blaspheme.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

When the federal government say that in 1791. That's true.

[Philip Monte]

Really.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

It's what I had gone back to saying about how we needed a shared moral framework.

[Tim Pool]

The states required you to proclaim a belief in a Protestant God to hold office, and many still do, despite the fact they don't enforce against it. The point is, everybody says the Constitution must be protected, but they don't realize that we, even people on the right, libertarians, conservatives, or otherwise pro Second Amendment, do not adhere to the original intent of the Founding Fathers. Yeah, because otherwise you'd be arrested for blasphemy.

[Philip Monte]

But if you do want. But if you have a law, if you. There's a law that you believe infringes on your rights or you believe that is in. In conflict with the Constitution, you petition the government, you go to the court and you agree, and then you go, so.

[Tim Pool]

But what the Founding Fathers did not intend for the First Amendment to allow you to. To besmirch the name of Christ.

[Philip Monte]

Just because they. Just because they said that and doesn't.

[Tim Pool]

Mean that when they wrote the ninth Amendment, they did not believe you could besmirch Christ. Your ability to argue to a liberal you can does not change the intent of the Constitution.

[Philip Monte]

It's not about arguing to the liberals.

[Tim Pool]

This is why blasphemy became legal. Because the progressives of the time said, I want to insult Christ. And most people said, no, you can't. I don't care what amendment you cite, that was never allowed. But eventually, over time, progressives argue, I can do what I want. So where we are today, and this is exactly my point, progressives argue free speech is shoving a cop, and now they shove cops. The Founding Fathers never intended for you to have the right to attack militia, military or law enforcement. Just because you can argue to a judge and that judge says you can do an illegal thing, doesn't mean it was protected under the Constitution.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, we get so many examples of this now. Like when the whole debate was happening over whether or not we should take firearms away from transgenders. That's one of the things. Like if you propose the entire situation to the Founding Fathers be like, what. What are you? What?

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

They had. They had asylum issues.

[Tate Brown]

Like crazy people clauses. Now you can just get a judge to say, no, that's the Constitution.

[Tim Pool]

This is the point that I am making. The Constitution was intended to protect the society and the rights that they had actively. And they recognized that they would have some arguments and disputes. But 100. 100% of the population agreed. No one can insult Christ. To be fair, it wasn't 100 because Jefferson was a deist. And that's why Virginia didn't require you to proclaim a belief in a Protestant God, but God in general. Maryland, largely being Catholic, required you to. To was also more neutral because they were like, Protestant, Catholic, whatever you want to do. Almost all the states up until the mid 1700s required you to literally say christ is king to hold office.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

I profess Jesus Christ to be my Lord and savior.

[Tim Pool]

If you wanted to hold. Also, Maryland was outfathers when they made the Bill of Rights. If you went to any one of them and said, hold on, but under the ninth Amendment, I'm free, so I can make an argument to the court, they'd say, no, you're under arrest. And it wasn't Until, I think 1840 was the last arrest for blasphemy. And the reason the guy actually, I think, went to Supreme Court, the Supreme Court said, no, you blasphemed, and he got locked up. Blasphemy is illegal, and you have no right to blasphemy.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

That's not free speech. God was held above the government.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Also, Maryland was majority Protestant by the 1700s.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

No, Maryland was majority Catholic.

[Tate Brown]

It was majority Catholic.

[Tim Pool]

It's still Catholic.

[Tate Brown]

I bet my entire life savings that it was majority Protestant by the 1700s. Initially, the initial batch were English Catholics, but then it became a Protestant colony.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Carroll of Carrollton was the signer of the Declaration of Independence. He was the only Catholic to sign the Declaration of Independence. And he came from Maryland, where they were Catholic.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. There was initially a Catholic colony.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, for sure. But that's probably why they didn't require Protestant. They required. Required a Christian God.

[Tate Brown]

That was more related to, like, Freemasonry. The same with Virginia.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then I think throughout the 1700s, they started backing off from requiring you to have a faith in a Christian God. And then. But it was still the practice. It was still largely done. So anyway, long story short, the point is the Second Amendment, what was the point? If you lived in Virginia, the federal government couldn't come and take your guns. Virginia could. That's why in the 1980s, everything was may issue. If you wanted a gun, the states could decide not to give you one. And the Fed was like, don't look at us. We're not taking your guns from you. But then we sued, and it wasn't until 2010, the Supreme Court actually said, nah, everybody can have guns. Because what's happening is. And it's intentional. States rights are being eroded intentionally over time, and we are in favor of it when we argue the federal government. The federal Constitution protects my right to have a gun in West Virginia for constitutional carry. I am saying the federal Constitution supersedes the laws in the Constitution of West Virginia. Okay, then that's federal supremacy over the Constitution and laws of a state. And that's the argument being made by conservatives that Maryland shouldn't be allowed to ban you from having guns. And we are winning in that fight, giving the federal government more power to tell the states, you can't. Which is interesting, because nowhere in the Constitution does it say, states can't ban guns.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Nope. States can regulate a right. So that's. That was the ruling. States could regulate a right. So, for instance, speech. You can't ban the speech. You can't. You can't ban it, but you can regulate it into submission. You can say, okay, well, you need a permit. You know, you need a permit to protest here. You know, you can do it between these times and that sort of thing. And then when it comes to guns, they can't ban them, but they can regulate them into submission. And so. So that's where states rights.

[Tim Pool]

We have to squeeze in one more segment. This is from the New York Post.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Excellent.

[Tim Pool]

Baba Vanga has predicted an alien spaceship would enter Earth's atmosphere and the outbreak of World War Three will happen in 2026. Well, that proves it.

[Philip Monte]

Who's Baba Vanga?

[Tate Brown]

What?

[Philip Monte]

I know.

[Tim Pool]

You don't know Baba Vanga.

[Philip Monte]

I do not know.

[Tim Pool]

Clairvoyant.

[Philip Monte]

I'm going to go and look.

[Tim Pool]

It's her.

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[Tim Pool]

The blind Bulgarian mystic Baba Vanga made some frightening predictions for 2026, including aliens and the start of World War III. Well, there's that.

[Philip Monte]

What is it? L3 Whatever. Yep. Meteor that's coming.

[Tim Pool]

Or what is it?

[Philip Monte]

Interstellar spaceship.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What. What was it?

[Philip Monte]

I forget what it's called.

[Tim Pool]

I'm forgetting the name of it. What's the object called everyone's freaking out about?

[Philip Monte]

Walsh was talking about it, like, today.

[Tim Pool]

Three something.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it was like a WI fi.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Project that they can't identify.

[Tate Brown]

It looked like a. Look like a Minnesota City council Three Eye Atlas.

[Philip Monte]

Three I Atlas.

[Tate Brown]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

That's like a three Eye Atlas is accelerating and decelerating in ways that don't make sense. And it originated from the location of the wow. Signal.

[Philip Monte]

Oh, did it?

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Indeed.

[Philip Monte]

I knew I've heard of the wow. Signal. I didn't know that it originated there though.

[Tim Pool]

The wow. Signal was in the 70s. Astronomers were tracking a certain portion region of space and they saw a radio burst that did not look natural and hasn't been repeated.

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[Tim Pool]

May have originated from intelligent life. Well 3 I Atlas is believed to have originated from the same region of space.

[Philip Monte]

It's called the wow Signal because the guys that read it were just like wow.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that's legit.

[Tim Pool]

Like that's not wow.

[Philip Monte]

I'm not just making a joke. That's actually what they did.

[Tate Brown]

So awesome.

[Tim Pool]

I love that Three Eye Atlas is coming. So clairvoyant Baba Vanga, long believed by devotees to have foreseen 911 in the COVID 19 pandemic predicted alien visitors in World War III. They say she warned that a colossal alien spacecraft would enter Earth's atmosphere. Though she did not elaborate on their intentions. The prediction has been has taken on added intrigue for some believers amid an uptick in reported UFOs. Blah blah, UAP, they say and of course. Oh, it's funny. If we literally just read the article. 3 Atlas is right there. Among our most ominous forecasts was a warning that World War III would erupt in 2026. A prediction made more unsettling by rising global tensions. Let's add this mystery is America's nuclear sniffer jet makes strange journey across several states. Why is the US Nuclear sniffer patrolling South Dakota and Nebraska? North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska. Very strange. How about this? US Navy chasing oil tankers fleeing Venezuelan waters. Around a dozen Venezuelan tankers are being pursued by the US for seizure. I think Baba Venga may be right.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know that means about the aliens though. But aliens in World War three at the same time? Maybe. World War three gets so hot that we're all about to fire nukes and then the aliens appear and stop us. That's awful.

[Philip Monte]

White pill.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Philip Monte]

You know, like the idea that we're going to kill ourselves. And then the aliens come and say, oh, okay, hold on.

[Tim Pool]

We. We launch nukes at each other, blow everybody up, and then the aliens come and harvest the rest.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, they. Or they recede like everyone's dead and they're just like, all right, we're going to drive.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Why wouldn't they have intervened during the atom bomb?

[Tim Pool]

They allegedly did.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

The aliens intervened?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Excellent.

[Tim Pool]

There's a conspiracy theory that at some point in like the 70s, during the cold War, there was an attempt to launch nukes between the US and the Soviet Union and UFOs appeared and then all of the nukes deactivated.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Interesting.

[Tate Brown]

Or what if there is aliens actively intervening and they just suck?

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

There is a theory that. There's a theory that aliens are actually interdimensional beings. So you could be angels or demons intervening too.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. The Malmstrom UFO incident. I don't know if this is the exact incident. I just looked it up. 1996 retired Air Force personnel claimed that a weapons failure at a Montana nuclear missile complex in 1967 was connected to reports of a UFO at Malmstrom Air Force Base. The claims became known as in Ufology as the Mom Stream UFO incident. Skeptics argue the UFO was likely Mars and entirely unrelated. On military investigation found no connection to UFOs. They say they're operating underground missile complex. An Air Force report noted that on the 16th, all sites in Echo flight shut down with no go indications. All launch facilities and E flight lost strategic alert nearly simultaneously. No other Wing 1 configuration lost strategic alert. At the time the report continued rumors of UFO around the area during the time of the fault were disproven. That's the. The conspiracy theories that the aliens came and stopped us or whatever from nuclear war. Which, you know, this proves it.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

So kind of like when I stop my kids from fighting. Yep.

[Tate Brown]

I think there's probably like, the New York Post has a list of like, weird Eastern European mystics that make a prediction every year hitting land.

[Philip Monte]

And we are going to start now hitting land with regard to the cartels. The cartels are running Mexico. It's very, very sad to watch and see what's happened to that country. But the cartels are running and they're killing 250, 300,000 people in our country every single year. The drugs, it's horrible. It's devastated families. You know, you lose a child or a parent. I mean, parents.

[Tate Brown]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

The U.S. is going to start bombing Mexico now.

[Tate Brown]

What did you think Dun Road Doctrine looked like? Vibes, essays. It looks like we're getting after it. You know, run for the hills, get the donkeys moving. It's time to clear out.

[Tim Pool]

I think Baba Vango was correct.

[Tate Brown]

Maybe she was cooking or this is going to be a. Or Trump's going to clutch up here.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's just going to.

[Tate Brown]

I think Trump's going to clutch. I don't see Mexico as a viable opponent to start World War three. The Zimmerman telegraph days are over.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, what does Mexico even have? Tacos?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Literally. What are they going to do?

[Tim Pool]

Like tacos. We have Taco Bell.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Their. Their best weapon against the United States is just sending their people here. Like, I don't think they're going to be too vi. This should be pretty easy, I think. Not too worried.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah. You know, it's what happens. Look, I mean, Baba Vanga, if, If she actually did predict 9, 11 and predict the, The COVID thing, you know, we'll see what happens for this year. I, I don't know that I, I tend to believe in.

[Tate Brown]

I think there's an Eastern European mystic that predicted every year because, like, she died in, like, the 90s. There's probably someone named like, Wuba Duba. And she predicted 2027 is the year where the aliens come here and World War Three breaks out. And the New York Post just has a list of these articles ready to go every year. Because it's like every year I learn about a new blind mystic to play devil's advocate.

[Philip Monte]

Like, tensions have. Are actually very high with the. The US Going after all these ships and stuff. I've made remarks That I don't think that there's considerable danger of world war because of the fact that like Russia's kind of shown that it's a paper tiger, it can't even beat Ukraine, China. I don't think that China has any kind of designs beyond the South China Sea and Taiwan. I don't think they want a nuclear war. There is, it's possible that a world war could be something that isn't nuclear, where everyone's kind of just using conventional weapons. I guess that's possible. Maybe there will be aliens on the.

[Tate Brown]

The starship that's more likely to be the World War Three.

[Philip Monte]

I mean, to be honest, Israel and.

[Tate Brown]

Iran went to blows last summer and like nothing really came out of it. Yeah, I mean, well, they can go to blows and then it doesn't like kick off a domino effect. It's going to take a lot to like string the Axis powers together, so to speak.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

We just talk about how much Dick Cheney and John McCain just love this timeline. Like they're, they're cooing Venezuela for oil. I mean this, these guys would just be all over it. They, they'd want to spend $20 trillion to do it. But I'm just saying, you know, we gotta, we gotta, you know, they're looking up, they're looking up at us.

[Philip Monte]

I saw, I saw a thing today that among the, the right, the conservatives, the actions taken in Venezuela are like 94% positive. Like everybody's like, that was a great.

[Tim Pool]

Among mega, among non mega conservatives. 80%.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Because like if the guys like Tucker.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, sure.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and if Venezuela was like such an obvious play for neocons, they would have done it. I mean they've had, they would have had the justification like decades ago. Like this, this is a big departure from Iraq and Afghanistan, at least in my assessment. I don't think Dick Cheney would be like exuberant over America, like exercising its strength on the global stage. I think he would rather see like a quagmire there, maybe like a slow invasion. Oh, we don't need to capture Maduro yet. Maybe we should apply some pressure because.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

He wants to spend money.

[Tate Brown]

He wants to spend money. Yeah, exactly.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

So I, I, this is too quick and too efficient.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they hate that. They, they would like to see some paychecks cut first.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Rather than Delta Force, just Friday night, boys, let's head down there and then we'll be back in Miami by the evening. What do you guys think?

[Philip Monte]

Those guys, I think those guys are actually heading to, heading to the Middle East. Again, could be there's all the, the movement of, of the 160, the soar moving into Europe and that's the, the Night Stalkers.

[Tim Pool]

We, we need the aliens to come. Like evil or good, it doesn't matter. If they're good, then we're like, we can all hold hands, they can grant us technology. If they're evil, we'll have unified enemy. It's just win win.

[Tate Brown]

We need like we need the Space Jam aliens because the Oklahoma City Thunder are looking a little too good this year. And I think potentially we could have maybe this, the. What is it? The Monstars. I think maybe the monsters come back.

[Philip Monte]

I'm not sold on interstellar travel like between stars. Like I'm not, I'm not so sure that it's possible. Obviously if there's some, some, some new physics that we can find. Yeah, but it, it's looking like, like light speed is the speed limit of the universe. I mean even gravity travels at light speed. Right. So if the sun disappeared, not only would the light take eight minutes to get here, but it would take eight minutes for the effect of gravity from the sun to go between space. Yeah. So if there's, if that's possible. Yeah.

[New York Times Narrator]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Come on. Otherwise Star Trek used this in the 60s. The idea being that you don't travel faster than light. You create a warp bubble and move between space.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So you're not actually moving at all.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah. And so look, if again if that can happen, if that can happen, then then you actually don't break the rules of, of physics. You know, you don't actually travel faster than life. Fine.

[Tim Pool]

Warp bubbles are theoretical, theoretically possible.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah. The amount of energy that it would take to bend space like that is you need antimatter. Yeah, we got some, a tiny, tiny.

[Tim Pool]

We have like a trillionth of a kilogram or something.

[Philip Monte]

A very small amount. And it takes a lot of energy to, to prevent it from interacting with matter because you have to, it. Yeah, you have to put a magnet ring. It takes a massive amount of energy to, to control that stuff.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

What about when you add in the atom smasher to it does can that tear a hole into the space time?

[Tim Pool]

The, the, the, the, the theory behind warp drive would be smashing antimatter in a matter like a flicking a piston which warps emit so much energy, it causes a warp in space, something like that.

[Philip Monte]

You have to compress space in front of you and extend space behind you for a warp to work.

[Tim Pool]

And they describe it like putting you know, a marble in a Straw. And then squeezing the straw, the marble is pushed forward.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Interesting.

[Philip Monte]

So again, if there is some kind of new physics found. Yeah, but I'm, I'm still, I'm still short on the. The idea of interstellar physics.

[Tate Brown]

DLC would be nice. Just update the whole, you know, software. It's just getting a little boring.

[Tim Pool]

What if, like, you know, in 20 years, we magic is real and like, scientists are like, we've actually figured out how to cast spells and then just.

[Philip Monte]

That'd be sick.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Philip Monte]

Well, if we Teleportation would be sick.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. We keep having to read these Somali names. Eventually someone's going to cast a spell.

[Philip Monte]

And one of the best things about.

[Tim Pool]

Teleportation is how they find out. They're going through a list of Somali names and all of a sudden just fire.

[Tate Brown]

And then all of a sudden this starts floating.

[Odoo Narrator]

Whoa.

[Philip Monte]

It's the magic of the Somalis.

[Tate Brown]

I, I starts casting spells.

[Tim Pool]

Look, ever could ever get out of here?

[Tate Brown]

And it's flings back to their country.

[Philip Monte]

If teleportation were real, I think that Jeff Bezos would probably have found it and you wouldn't have delivery.

[Tate Brown]

Stephen Miller would have found it. Stephen Miller would have been.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Just imagine would it be based if they were, was like a, a, a portal gun where you could shoot somebody and it would portal them to any location you want. So like ice just walks around walking, people going, and they just appear back.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

So efficient.

[Tim Pool]

I guarantee the gun would have to be called due process.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I guarantee you. Stephen Miller's working on it. He's got that in the works.

[Philip Monte]

He's pretty great. He's pretty great.

[Tim Pool]

Zap. And then you're back in Somalia.

[Philip Monte]

See you. There's no, no fighting with ice or anything like that. The car's coming.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Boop.

[Tim Pool]

Car dis. But then there's like a technical glitch in that they accidentally release a bunch of the portal guns all programmed for the same coordinates. And so when too many ICE agents go at the same time, all the Somalis portal into the exact same place the exact same time, all fused together like some Cronenberg. And he comes back for revenge.

[Tate Brown]

Or even worse, as they go to Dearborn and they start zapping with the portal gun. And then they're like, oh, it didn't work. Because they look around, they're just like, oh, well, I guess it didn't work.

[Philip Monte]

They all, they all combined together. I just imagine, imagine him like walking back to the, to the United States like it's like Godzilla under the sea. Just Coming here to smash us for sending him back.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they'll be mad.

[Philip Monte]

They would be upset. They're like, we can't get your money.

[Tate Brown]

I would be pissed if I got fused in with everybody else like that.

[Tim Pool]

Dude.

[Tate Brown]

I'd be mad.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I would not be happy. I would. I would. I would. I would picket the un. That's what I would do. I would appeal to international law.

[Philip Monte]

They would go to New York. They would be smashing things in New York. That's what Godzilla would do if he. If you were, you know.

[Tim Pool]

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[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

It is so good. It's actually got 95% positive ratings. I was told that's, like, on hold of. Yeah, yeah. So it's. It's really good. It's got, like, vanilla and chocolate vibes. It smells so good. And I can. I don't even really like coffee. I can drink this, but black. It doesn't even need sugar or anything. It's just. It tastes so good. It's. It's amazing.

[Tim Pool]

When they buy a bag, they get a picture of you.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

They do.

[Tim Pool]

Look at that picture of you.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

The haters will say it's Photoshopped.

[Philip Monte]

Of course they will.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I think it is. A lot of graphic work went into this one. I want to.

[Philip Monte]

On the back.

[Tim Pool]

Sometimes you put gags on the back.

[Philip Monte]

Oh, the gag is. That's actually the. Because they're yellow. It's the EU flag, not the American flag.

[Tim Pool]

I have to announce this. The next coffee that we're doing for February is Dr. Alex Stein's big Booty. Big Booty Latina Love Potion.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Amazing.

[Tim Pool]

And it's him in a suit in, like, a pink velvety office with a pipe. And it's. What is it? Like, cinnamon or something? I don't know. We'll see when it comes out. You'll see. And there's the bag is very, very funny.

[Philip Monte]

Alex Stein's funny.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Yeah, the bag is very funny.

[Philip Monte]

When's the next time you're gonna see him?

[Tate Brown]

He was on my show today. You can go watch right now.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Philip Monte]

Awesome.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's get your rumble rants and super chats. Let's see what we got. All right, we got D Wind. Dewinde says chat. Every call to violence you make here will be used against you. Indeed.

[Tate Brown]

True.

[Tim Pool]

Force name changes, I would advise.

[Tate Brown]

Waltz.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, Tampon, Tim. Texas National Guard, New England National Guard, Minnesota National Guard. They're all National Guard. The state name denotes location, not allegiance. All right. Malibaby says that's why copy and paste your favorite Bible quotes instead of talk is because they will use what you say against you. Whoever hates me hates my father as well. All right.

[Philip Monte]

I need to know more.

[Tim Pool]

About force name, he says. I'll make a bet on who that family member is. I'll put a hundred dollars down to say that it was her 15 year old daughter from her first husband that told her stepmother that it's her fault her mom's gone. It was apparently her mother. Yeah.

[Philip Monte]

You lost the bet.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see. Graham Gaming says they delayed the gunshots in that New York Times video too. Did they really? It does seem like it seemed like they sped up a part of it too.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

They definitely sped up a part of it.

[Philip Monte]

Well, they're dissonance acts.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Philip Monte]

Can't expect honesty from the New York Times. They have an agenda.

[Tim Pool]

All right. David Flores says. Tim, please stop giving her so much credit. No one shoots to maim. Likewise, no one drives another human with the intent to main. She might not have thought he'd die, but she didn't care either. Literally. What I said is, I don't think her intention was kill. She just didn't care if she killed while she was fleeing.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Kapo Su says Trump resigns February 1, 2027. Vance can finish the term and serve two more enters 2028 with a record.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, I mean, I don't see that happening.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, that's. That's.

[Philip Monte]

Even if they even. I. Like, that's just not in Donald Trump's like, that's not in his character.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. All right. Omega Rosetsu says Phil doesn't understand what Third world actually means. First world means NATO. Second world was Warsaw pac, but now it's bricks. Third world meant not NATO, not communist. Fourth world is a client state.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. I mean, people, it's like. Yeah, but now Third World, this means impoverished.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And the zeitgeist just means like. Like brown. Broadly.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

I mean, it's not wrong people is what it means.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Flex the juvet says I'm a pilot in usaf. Our bus driver's daughter needs serious medical care. Lost my 5 year old daughter and don't want the same for him.

[Philip Monte]

Give.

[Tim Pool]

Send. Go. Slash. Roberto. Even a share will help. Hi, Phil.

[Philip Monte]

Hi. We'll share that.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry to hear, man. That's. That's that's horrible. I hope everybody can do what they can.

[Philip Monte]

Tweet it at me and I'll, I'll retweet it and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Jay Hamblin says. Tim, isn't that what Andrew Wilson was arguing with you about? His point was rights are only what you can enforce. Yet. No, my, my opinion on Andrew Wilson was that he was arguing for the sake of arguing. Because my argument is that rights are derived from God's will, the things that you must do to be fruitful and multiply. He argued that that's true, but not like, here's the issue with the debate we had. He said, rights come from God. And I said, effectively, yes, rights are what we must do to fulfill God's will. And then he said, no. And so I was like, what? And yeah, so when I tried explaining that there is a logic to God's will because God is the Logos, he disagreed and then argued with me that there's an island full of pedophiles that get away with it and how is anything they're doing beneficial to God's will or whatever. And I was like, the presumption of that argument is that it is possible for a society of pedophiles to succeed and fulfill God's will, which clearly everyone agrees is not correct. So I think he was just arguing for the sake of arguing. My point is what are rights as we view them? The left argues that healthcare is a human right. Well, that can't be true because that would require you to enslave somebody. You have a right to enslave somebody because that person then can't fulfill God's will. But if your goal is to be fruitful and multiply, you have to be able to defend yourself. You have to be able to communicate with other people for the betterment and success, either through warnings or cooperation. And you have to have freedom of movement. We also have to have the ability to stop evil people who are evil. These are core functions that we view in our society, our enlightened society, as being rights. Things that you are inherently recovering, needing to do or able to do. And why? Because if you can't, you can't fulfill God's will anyway. I think he disagrees with that. I think his argument is it's not about whether you can or can't fulfill God's will, just that it is God's will, which I think is a distinction with no difference. Token Maga says, I don't understand this argument. Go to a state that aligns with you, while Gen Z can't afford a home, but yeah, we can afford to pack up and leave. Well, Trump's move on institutional investors and houses are going to crush the housing market.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, that's a big deal.

[Tim Pool]

You're going to buy up a bungalow for 50 bucks now. And apparently there's like when Trump made the announcement, people found a bunch of insiders at Blackstone and other companies were selling off shares. I don't know if that's true. That's the rumor. Yep.

[Philip Monte]

There's a lot of stuff that actually came out today that was really good for the economy. You know the. What's good?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's just what's really funny is the people who made bets on Maduro's capture right before he got captured.

[Philip Monte]

How did they know?

[Tate Brown]

Oh, yeah, they're soothsayers. Well, I saw the dream.

[Tim Pool]

I'll say this, the, the housing price thing Trump's doing is going to piss boomers off. All their wealth is going to evaporate overnight. Their equity is in their property. However, it means Gen Z might be able to afford a house. So it's the right thing to do.

[Tate Brown]

Agreed.

[Tim Pool]

Mikey says created a post that simply said comply sue later if you feel your rights are violated. All leftists on my friends list called me a bootleg liquor for supposedly defending ice with that statement.

[Philip Monte]

Y their leftists and they're idiots.

[Tate Brown]

So true.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I, I think the bigger thing is the conservatives who are defending this woman. Conservatives coming out and being like, wow, I can't believe the cop would shoot her. It's like, oh boy. Here. This is why the right loses. Because when George Floyd happens, everyone on the right agrees at the left. All right. That one gamer says about the Greenland situation. We should show the polls showing majority wanting independence make facts unavoid, avoidable to American voters and lefties. You guys saw that Greenland and Denmark are fighting. Yeah, Greenland called Denmark neo colonialists for excluding them from the conversation over joining the United States. Greenland government is saying you can't tell us what to do and has decided to violate the Constitution, the charter they have with Denmark to have private meetings with the United States to negotiate acquisition.

[Philip Monte]

I always thought this was going to be. I thought it was going to be a meme.

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[Philip Monte]

You know, I'm starting, I'm probably 50, 50 as to whether or not I'm.

[Tate Brown]

The biggest Greenland Hawk probably in the United States. Like I think that is rightfully our territory. But one hesitation I have is I don't know if we should amplify like leftist anti colonial sentiment in Greenland because that's just going to cause us problems down the road with the people. The best case scenario is we annex Greenland. There's like 80,000 people there and we just flood it with Texans like oil barons. And then they will just like out populate Greenland and turn into a red state.

[Philip Monte]

They should just be made of territory. They shouldn't be a state.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

As soon as Donald Trump started talking about the Monroe Doctrine, I'm like, you know what, Greenland's in the West. I mean, Denmark's not in the West. So as soon as I have it, I'm like, I see where he's going with this look.

[Philip Monte]

I mean the fact that the US had to protect Greenland during World War II because the Nazis took Denmark.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Philip Monte]

Like, like that alone is like, it makes me think, well, you know, if, if you can't protect it, is it really yours?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And also the Danish like forgot. I know Danish people personally, they like forget about Greenland quite. It's not in, like it's not in.

[Tim Pool]

The top of their people.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. It's not at the like the forefront of their minds. And then also the King of Denmark didn't add Greenland into his official seal until like three years ago.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, really?

[Tate Brown]

It actually became a conversation. So see, it's ours. So for the Danish, they were like, oh yeah, we own that because the Vikings did all the work.

[Philip Monte]

We'll just.

[Tim Pool]

So we have a comment from Cage says, Tim, you were arguing rights, but Andrew rejects the notion God gives us duties and free will, not rights. Rights as we know them are entitlements absent duty that only function with force backing. That is an opinion on how you view rights. So I will describe it like this. I agree. God gives us a duty. Okay. Do you need to perform certain actions to fulfill the duties God has bestowed upon you? Anybody?

[Philip Monte]

I would assume so.

[Tim Pool]

Well, can you be fruitful and multiply if you have no ability to eat? No.

[Philip Monte]

That's a note.

[Tim Pool]

So do I have an inherent right to eat food?

[Philip Monte]

I mean.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

No, you grow on your own. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Or acquire on my own.

[Philip Monte]

Yeah, indeed. It's yours. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Do we believe those that believe in God's will? Like, do I have the right to stop you from doing your duty to God? No, I don't. However, you who must fulfill your duty to God must be able to perform certain actions to fulfill your duty to God. Now, it's entirely true that people infringe upon rights every single day. But the idea that rights don't exist would mean God has created a world by which you have a duty to Him. But other people are allowed to stop you from doing it. They're allowed to do it. Like it is a just thing that God expects that someone will decide. You must not be allowed to fulfill your duty to God. That makes no sense.

[Josie the Redheaded Libertarian]

Is that like when countries are at war and they're preventing people from getting food, like, in that regard, the idea is this.

[Tim Pool]

Be fruitful and multiply the simplest of the duties you have before God. Is it a sin to stop someone from following God's will? Is it wrong? Yes, it is. Hands down. Okay. That would imply that God has given us moral entitlement to perform certain actions to fulfill our duty to Him. If we were not entitled by God to do these things, it would be impossible for us to fulfill our duties to Him. So, speaking to one another, defending ourselves from aggression, freedom of movement. If you, if you are locked down and someone's beating you, you will not multiply, you will not be fruitful, and you will not proselytize the word of God. So God bestows upon you certain things you must be able to do that we recognize we cannot stop someone else from doing. That's why we have rights that's why we perceive rights. It's strange to be like, nope, because entitlements are absent.

[Philip Monte]

Duty.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you have free will. Whether or not you fulfill God's duty is your free will. But you have to be able to perform certain tasks to do it. If there were no rights, then nobody would ever do it.