Alex Jones' Infowars Is FORMALLY OVER, Website Goes DARK W/ Tyler Oneal

Summary

Timcast IRL | Alex Jones' Infowars Is OVER, Website Goes DARK (w/ Tyler O’Neill)

Date: May 2, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Main Guests: Tyler O’Neill (author/expert on SPLC), Olivia Dasavic (Timcast staff/Discord manager), Ian Crossland, Tate Brown, Carter Banks

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Episode Overview

This episode marks a watershed moment in alt- and independent media: Infowars has officially gone dark, closing the book on a 27-year-old chapter of American alternative broadcast. Tim Pool and his co-hosts bring on journalist and author Tyler O’Neill to dissect the demise of Alex Jones' flagship brand, ongoing culture war battles including the new “Animal Farm” film controversy, the rise of AI, and the deepening fissures in US politics and media ethics. The roundtable uncovers the personalities, incentives, and hypocrisies shaping today’s “information war,” with open debate and unfiltered hot takes.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Death and Afterlife of Infowars

[03:23-13:12]

• Infowars Closure:
  Tim Pool calls it “the end of an era,” noting Infowars went dark after years of lawsuits, asset seizure, and public campaigns against Alex Jones, all in the wake of the Sandy Hook court decisions.

  • “Infowars was 27 years old—thus officially joining the 27 club. It has been ended due to the ongoing elite conflict, civil war, whatever you want to call it... all of that is absolutely insane over a single defamation case.” (Tim Pool, [08:44])

• Brand Survival:
  Jones immediately pivoted to alexjoneslive.com—using his own name as a shield from further asset seizure.

  • "You can't take his name from him... Infowars is a brand they seized as an asset...by going with AlexJonesLive, he’s saying, that's my name. You can't use it." (Tim Pool, [09:38])

• Controversy Over Ownership:
  The Onion and comedian Tim Heidecker had allegedly tried to acquire Infowars’ web assets—sparking ridicule from the panel.

  • “Tim Heidecker, you’re so cringe. Let me play this clip...” (Tim Pool, [11:05])
  • "I always thought Infowars was a cringe name anyway...I want to hear [Alex Jones’] voice and listen to what he has to say." (Ian Crossland, [11:54])

• Legal and Political Fallout:
  Discussion on the nature of the Sandy Hook cases: per Tim, Jones never got a defamation trial—only a damages hearing (the court defaulted him for alleged non-compliance).

  • “There was never a trial over whether he actually defamed anybody ... the DOJ could have been like, ‘hold on ... we’re going to review this case.’ They didn’t.” (Tim Pool, [13:21])

2. Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) Exposed

[07:03, 16:14–18:45+]

• Federal Indictment:
  Tyler O’Neill details current federal actions against SPLC, accusing them of soliciting funds to "fight hate," then funneling money to KKK members instead.

  • “The indictment is largely predicated upon the fact that one of these guys actually went to them and said, ‘hey, this is what they were really doing.’” (Tim Pool, [07:28])

• ‘Hate Map’ Dangers:
  SPLC’s map lumps together legitimate hate groups and mainstream conservative NGOs, now including Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk’s group, which O’Neill alleges led to a shooting of Kirk.

  • “Now last year they added Charlie Kirk, ... and just four months later Kirk ends up with a bullet in his neck. And I’m going, well, that certainly doesn’t seem like a coincidence...” (Tyler O’Neill, [17:21])

3. Political Division & Lawfare

[13:12–16:14, 20:29–24:41]

• Weaponized Courts:
  Panel laments “maximum warfare” using defamation and lawfare on political opponents, discussing both the Jones case and new lawsuits involving figures like Candace Owens.

  • “A guy said some bad words on TV and they took $1.3 billion from him without a trial. Okay, we gotta stop that kind of behavior.” (Ian Crossland, [16:04])

• Historical Parallels:
  Discussion meanders into US presidential history—comparing past abuses of executive power (Wilson, Buchanan, FDR) to today’s political weaponization.

4. Conservative Media, Grift, and the 'Animal Farm' Scandal

[45:14–63:26]

• Controversial Release:
  Angel Studios released a new animated “Animal Farm,” touted by conservative influencers as anti-communist—yet the film’s director Andy Serkis explicitly says it’s about “the failure of capitalism,” not Stalinism or communism.

  • “Characters have similar names, but principal characters not in the book ... Conservatives are taking cash money to promote a film that is explicitly anti-capitalist.” (Tim Pool, [45:51])
  • “Andy Serkis explicitly stated it’s not about Stalinist Russia, it’s about capitalism and overconsumption. Did she (Riley Gaines) not watch the movie?” (Tim Pool, [45:08])

• Influencer Hypocrisy:
  Riley Gaines, a well-known anti-trans activist, promoted the film despite co-star Laverne Cox (a prominent trans advocate) attacking her worldview in the movie.

  • “How do you get Riley Gaines to promote the work of a trans person who hates you?” (Tim Pool, [45:06])
  • “People are willing to take money to promote anti-capitalism and pro-communism, despite claiming to be on the other side...Lie, cheat, steal, and get yours before the Titanic sinks.” (Tim Pool, [46:55])

• Paid Promotions:
  Tim denounces the pervasive practice of high-profile political influencers taking cash to push talking points or products without belief or understanding.

  • “We never got paid for (promoting Sound of Freedom)... these political personalities ... get paid like $50K per post... They don’t actually care or believe.” (Tim Pool, [63:26])

• Movie Critique:
  Tim breaks down the plot of the “Animal Farm” film, outlining how it departs from Orwell’s source material and pushes themes of crony capitalism and anti-corporate sentiment rather than anti-communism.

  • “The book was about a communist revolution ... The movie ... is a bunch of happy animals live on a farm, but Farmer Jones can’t afford to pay his mortgage ... It’s not Animal Farm in any way.” (Tim Pool, [59:03-62:11])
  • “The original message of Boxer was... the hard worker in a factory who got injured on the job ... Instead of getting rewarded by communism, was killed. ... Here, the animals... massacre a bunch of corporate employees. Two completely different scripts.” (Tim Pool, [62:05])

• Notable Quote:

  • “...People are all for sale, bro. Okay, older millennial—I’ll give you $5,000 to post the opposite. How’s that sound? ... Since you’re for sale, $5,000 is probably a good amount.” (Tim Pool, [71:19])

5. Rise of AI and Media Manipulation

[91:06–99:23]

• AI Product Podcasts:
  The team experiments with Amazon’s new AI shopping assistant, finding both utility and the inevitable ability to break it with absurd prompts.

  • “Bro, we are so cooked. Dude, it's done.” (Tim Pool, [93:14])

• Info Manipulation & Trust Crisis:
  The team notes how rampant AI content is eroding trust in media—and that even political messaging is now indistinguishable from paid “information warfare.”

  • “Right now, we know it’s AI. We know it’s fake. But what do you think happens when no one’s going to be able to tell the difference?” (Tim Pool, [94:02])

• Media Ethics Concerns:
  Discussion on the dangers of AI-generated and paid-for content, and the lack of genuine, principled actors in new media.

  • “I'm finding out that we are the only real company that exists in the space. ... A lot of these people ... never had honor in the first place. ... Many of them are effectively the modern version of gay for pay.” (Tim Pool, [66:47], [76:43])

6. Other Noteworthy Segments

• Alabama Redistricting & Gerrymandering
  [105:20–112:57]
  Deep dive into the implications of Alabama’s redistricting, Supreme Court rulings, and the erosion of racially based districting in favor of political gerrymandering.

• Audience Q&A
  [120:24+]
  Viewers ask about Alberta Independence, how to combat youth antisemitism, AI in the workforce, and more.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Infowars’ Demise:
  “Infowars was 27 years old, thus officially joining the 27 club... to destroy a company, fire all of its people, seize its assets, over a defamation case is insane.”
  (Tim Pool, [08:44])

• On Conservative Grift:
  “People are willing to take money to promote anti-capitalism and pro-communism, despite claiming to be on the other side ... Lie, cheat, steal, and get yours before the Titanic sinks.”
  (Tim Pool, [46:55])

• On AI’s Future:
  “We are so cooked. Dude, it’s done.”
  (Tim Pool, [93:14])

• On Honest Discourse:
  “I have a hard time promoting things that I don’t believe in.”
  (Ian Crossland, [66:17])

• On Media Cynicism:
  “There’s almost nobody of honor anywhere in politics. ... Many of them never had honor in the first place, it makes you angry.”
  (Tim Pool, [76:43])

• On SPLC:
  “The corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center... exposing it has been an honor of my life to stand up for the good people who are smeared and put on a map with clan chapters, a map that inspired terrorist attacks...”
  (Tyler O’Neill, [130:03])

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• 03:23: Infowars goes dark, Alex Jones pivots
• 07:03: Tyler O’Neill introduces his SPLC book
• 08:44–13:12: Debate on the legal weaponization against Jones, DOJ inaction
• 16:14–18:45: SPLC “hate map” dangers and real-world consequences
• 20:29–24:41: Historical abuse of government power, lawfare
• 45:14–46:55: Riley Gaines, Animal Farm film, and conservative virtue signaling
• 59:03–62:11: Plot breakdown: Why the Animal Farm film isn’t Animal Farm
• 66:47: Media grift and influencer pay-for-play
• 91:06–104:57: AI product podcasts, trust and manipulation
• 105:20–112:57: Alabama redistricting and SCOTUS
• 120:24–124:54: Discord Q&A: Alberta, youth antisemitism, AI job displacement
• 130:03: Tyler O’Neill closing comments on SPLC

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Summary and Takeaways

This episode covers a generational media shift: the formal end of Infowars as an institution and the shape-shifting survival of its founder, Alex Jones. Tim Pool and company question whether our media, politics, and even activism is real or just a playground for grifters and opportunists—especially amidst the Animal Farm film debacle, where supposed convictions vanish for a paycheck.

Meanwhile, ever-larger tectonic struggles—over civil rights, free speech, and the machinery of government—play out in the courts and across social media. AI looms as both a tool for and a threat to honest communication, with the group presciently warning of a coming age where “nothing is real” and “information warfare” is all.

The tone is urgent, sometimes sardonic, and ultimately skeptical of both left and right—highlighting the need for genuine debate, transparent motives, and a recommitment to truth before the entire system is consumed by cynicism and gamified manipulation.

For anyone craving a window into the current independent media zeitgeist, rising culture-war tempers, and post-Infowars media landscape—this conversation is a must-listen.

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[Tim Pool]

It is the end of an era. Infowars has officially gone dark. But Alex Jones has already launched his new outlet. And while this is a historical moment, we've long been, I don't wanna say waiting for, but we're sitting here watching as this lawsuit plays out where they destroy Infowars and take down Alex Jones's company. And it just keeps getting postponed. It's been several years. Well, the funny thing is Alex Jones actually got another stay stopping Tim Heidecker and the Onion from taking over Infowars as he launches his new company. And on this front, I thought we should talk about the ongoing censorship. The expansion of Wokeness is a lot happening. We got more news, of course. Candace Owens has been formally sued by Brian Harpole. And the court documents are pretty damning. I mean, they lay it out now. Candace's fans like to play this game where they say, candace never said that. Well, you see, the, the way defamation law works is the judges are not stupid. You, they, they're not going to be like, did you explicitly state, you know, a plus B equals C? They say, was there an implication, an expectation your audience would come to believe certain facts? And I think the court documents lay this out slam dunk. So this will get particularly interesting. We'll talk about that. And then, my friends, of course, today, Animal Farm, the film has finally come out. And my favorite, my favorite thing about this is the exposing of the grifters. And I say this, I'm trying to be nice because I think Riley Gaines is very nice. But she promoted this film in which one of the lead actors, Laverne Cox, a trans person, explicitly condemns Riley Gaines worldview attacks her activism specifically. And Riley Gaines took money to promote it. I love, I love how the whole thing just gets exposed, how people will take money, they'll claim they support something and they have no idea what they're talking about. And I am. I'm very, very heated by this. You can tell. So I have a lot to say. I've been tweeting nonstop about it, and people are like, tim, we get it. Shut up. Yeah, well, you know what? I care. We're gonna talk about that before we do. Got a great sponsor for you. It is my favorite. It is Beam Dream. You got to go to shop B E a m dot com Tim Pool and pick up some nighttime sleep. A nighttime blend to support better sleep. I drink this every single night. Not a joke. Don't need a script. It's got L theanine, it's got magnesium, it's got melatonin, it's got reishi. You drink this before bed, you sleep better. That's helped me tremendously. I got to be honest, I didn't even know I could sleep better. I have a sleep tracker. Started drinking Beam Dream when they sponsored the show, and it's remarkable. My. My REM sleep, my deep sleep has been way better. I've got a sleep tracker showing my scores improved dramatically. And it's delicious, and it's hydrating. I'm a big, big fan. So go to shop beam.com timpool and you can get up to 35% off with code. Tim Pool. Check it out. Shout out Beam. We're big, big fans, and thanks for sponsoring the show. Don't forget to also join the discord [e-mail] we've got tens of thousands of people that are hanging out. They are sharing news. They are debating the news. It's not what you know, it's who you know. And when you're in a community, you can get things done. So if you want to start a project, need help, there are people here that. That can help you do it. And if you're looking for friends, you want to be involved, there is a big network here, and they will help you do it, too. More importantly, you're helping support this show, making it all possible. So, of course, we greatly appreciate your support. Don't forget to smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we've got to. Tyler o'. Neill.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Hey. Glad to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you?

[Ian Crossland]

What do you do?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I'm just another guy. I wrote the book about the Southern Poverty Law Center. You might have heard of them. They just got a federal indictment. I'm actually reading right now on my laptop the latest motion in the case. It's a very spicy one, where the federal government is accusing the SPLC of taking money from donors, claiming that it's fighting hate, and then taking that money and. And sending it to members of the KKK and increasing hate. So.

[Tim Pool]

And what we're also finding is that one of their informants has turned informant for the doj specifically. So as these liberals are saying, no, no, they were just informants trying to stop crime. No. The indictment is largely predicated upon the fact that one of these guys actually went to them and said, hey, actually, this is what they were really doing, for which they've been charged. So that'll be interesting. We'll talk about that. We do have another guest. Introduce yourself.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Hi, guys. My name is Olivia Dasavic. I work here at Tim Cast. I'm the one that manages the Discord. You guys should join. I actually met one of my bridesmaids there, and she got married to someone that's in the Discord.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Olivia Dasavic]

The couple you always reference is actually my bridesmaid and now her husband.

[Tim Pool]

There you go. See? Like, you join Tim Cast, thinking, gonna hang out, and then all of a sudden you're married and you have kids

[Olivia Dasavic]

and travel, going to weddings. You never know what's gonna happen. You guys should join.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Rest of the crew's here, of course. Ian, happy to be here.

[Ian Crossland]

Single as always, 47 years old.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe you should get in the Discord more often.

[Ian Crossland]

Tape Brown.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Well, that's got to be great news for all these single women all across America that Ian is still on the market. I think we're going to. I felt the vibe shift of all the women.

[Carter Banks]

I was thinking the same thing, dude. Like, you got a lot going for you. I think you're a catch and something's going to happen for you real soon. But let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Let's get into it, ladies and gentlemen.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, insider knowledge there.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Don't bet on betting on gal. You never know what's coming.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go from infowars.com off air. That's it. Now, I will say this. I know for most people, I really don't think this subject matter is going to resonate for the average person. They see a subject, they see a video online, are they going to click it? I got to be honest with you. I think there are much more salacious bits to lead with, but this is historic. This matters. Infowars was 27 years old, thus officially joining the 27 club. It has been ended due to the ongoing elite conflict, civil war, whatever you want to call it. I would argue that everything we've seen to Shut down Infowars has been pure politics. Now, don't get me wrong. I think Alex Jones has said things that he probably shouldn't say, right? But to destroy a company, fire all of its people, seize its assets, all of that is absolutely insane over a single defamation case. Now, here's where it gets funny. As I've long told you guys, you can't get rid of a person. There's no lawsuit to stop a guy from speaking. It's just. I mean, you can sue somebody, you can sue their company, they can just keep coming back. And the truth is, you get rid of Alex Jones, he can just stand outside as someone else films on their phone live. And Alex can talk, and you can't stop it from happening. So, of course, alexjoneslive.com is the new site using his own name. And you know why he did this. You can't take his name from him. You can sue him for defamation. Infowars is a brand they seized as an asset, or they're trying to. It's been held. But by going with Alex Jones live, he's saying, that's my name. You can't use it. You can't take it from him as an asset. Now, the big news in this case is that the Onion was trying to take over Infowars. The whole story is an insane. In my opinion, there's something going on in the back room because how the Onion mustered up the revenue. So if we go back in time, the general story is that the Onion didn't have the money to win the bid for Infowars, but the family said something like, we'll forgive a part of the debt if they buy it, which you can't do because there's a. There's money that's be paid out from the suit, and they didn't have the money, so somehow they're still getting it. Well, Alex Jones actually stopped it. And Tim Heidecker is really pissed off about it. And it's. It's just. It's also cringe. Tim Heidecker, you're so cringe. Let me. Let me play this clip for you guys freaking out.

[Tim Heidecker]

Here it is. Now we.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on.

[Tim Heidecker]

That received a. This motherfucker, Alex Jones somehow worked his way into the 3rd. The Texas 3rd Court of Appeals. These rats preventing but postponing the transfer of the site until another judgment can come in or something. This was on track to happen. Temporary. I'll say. It's been temporarily derailed. We're committed to moving forward. We're already talking about what that looks like the short answer is Infowars will be ours. It will. There's nothing. You can't stop this movement. People's accounts.

[Tim Pool]

Anyway, Alex goes on to make fun of Tim Heidegger's comedy, which I think is kind of dumb. But bro, you, you're fighting this hard over a domain name, it's like the cringest thing ever.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't watch Alex. I don't. When I watch Alex, when I see his stuff, I see him talk. I don't look for the website name. I don't care about the branding. I want to hear his voice and listen to what he has to say. That's it. I always thought Infowars was a cringe name anyway. Like, what, is he trying to create a war? No, I mean, like he did his expose and now he's like full. Like now he's full Saiyan. Super Saiyan. God Jones, man. Now with his own brand. I like it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, the whole Onion thing is very cringe. I mean, it's like 10 year old humor. Like 10 years old humor. As far as, like this would have been maybe sort of funny in 2015, but like, it's just cringe now. Tim Heidecker is just obviously way behind the times. I mean, you hear, I heard his name involved in this whole story and I was like, oh yeah, whatever happened to that guy? Like, that was my analysis, the whole analysis of the whole situation. And Alex Jones, I mean, fair play, he jumps right, you know, jumps right back on the saddle here because I mean, as far as I understand, the parent company's assets are all in control now of the trust behind the Sandy Hook lawsuit. So I mean, he's got to restart. I mean, he's got to get a new studio. Like every down to every pencil in that studio now is in the control of this trust. So fair play to Alex. I mean, what, you can't kill a bull moose? I think that would be a very applicable phrase to use in this instance. I mean, I know there's been a lot of tension right now between MAGA and Alex Jones, but I think everyone has a software.

[Tim Pool]

I don't understand why the Trump administration hasn't helped Alex Jones in any way. I don't get it.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I mean, to be fair to the administration, I mean, he was calling for him to be impeached in 25th.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's after the fact. I'm saying that never would have happened if the DOJ actually intervened on a civil rights basis and said, we're gonna review this case. The story is, according to Alex, when he was sued for defamation, they never actually had a trial over it. The court ordered he turn over a bunch of documents, and he claimed he did, they claimed he didn't. So he was held in default, meaning there was never a trial over whether he actually defamed anybody. The trial everyone watched was the damages hearing to determine how much he had to pay. So Alex never actually had a trial over defamation. The DOJ could have been like, no, no, no, no, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna, you know, put a stop to this and come in. They didn't. And I think, you know, I don't know what happened behind the scenes. Maybe they're just like, we don't want to be involved in whatever Alex is doing. But if the right doesn't even try to protect institutions that are in favor of it, then what do they have?

[Tate Brown]

No, I mean, I definitely think there's a point there. I mean, insofar as any intervention would come from the doj, I think he basically sealed that, you know, that. That, you know, possibility by going after the Trump admin. I just think from like, a pure calculus, you know, if you're trying to sort of keep your company, that just seems like a bad move. But look, what are you gonna do? Alex Jones, he's a renegade. I mean, this is his brand, so he's ultimately going to do what he perceives to be best for conveying the truth and that sort of thing. So, I mean, I don't know. I think, again, if he was anticipating, maybe if someone from the DOJ was sort of indicating that they were going to intervene, maybe he would have held his tongue. I don't know. So I think that indicates that the DOJ never had the intention of intervening in this instance. But, yeah, basically guaranteed that it's not gonna happen after you literally say, oh, he should be 25th amendment. And I think, like, personally, that was a bit crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Why did he say that?

[Tate Brown]

It was that same gentleman that was just in that clip there on the show, and they were talking about Iran. They're like, you know, Trump is effectively a crazy person now, and he needs to be 25th amendment. Like, his mental faculties are declining and these sort of things.

[Olivia Dasavic]

So that was recent.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, this would have been, like, I don't know, a month. It was actually. I bet Trump had already concocted that truth social post, and then he saw that clip and then threw that in there, Alex Jones in there with it, because that Was, I mean, it seemed like maybe it was a one off thing, but that's just aiding the left effectively by parroting that language.

[Ian Crossland]

I really, I kind of agree with the government, somebody like legally stepping in on this because it felt very much like a dog and pony show, like a circus court thing, like where they brought him in front of a judge. Tim, like you already mentioned it. Dude didn't even have a trial because they said he didn't provide the evidence. He said he did. They're like, well, our word's stronger because we're the court. We're taking you to default. That for 1.3 trillion.

[Tim Pool]

How much money was it?

[Ian Crossland]

1.3 billion. I don't want to get the number billion.

[Carter Banks]

They just say like the economy of France or whatever that is.

[Ian Crossland]

A guy said some bad words on TV and they took $1.3 billion from him without a trial. Okay, we got to stop that kind of behavior.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, that's against free speech to essentially.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think the greater picture with all of this is there are, there's a deep state and a Trump deep state or whatever. The liberal mechanism is trying to destroy the right. Interestingly, with this SPLC stuff, which I don't know if you've been tracking, did you see that a bunch of companies are now cutting off their cooperation and coordination with splc?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Two more gave it to me.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, get up on the money.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Two more of them told me that they would also cut off funds.

[Ian Crossland]

So you can move.

[Tim Pool]

It used to be that these companies were like, we partner with the Southern Poverty Law Center. And that was a mechanism of the deep state of usaid, of the uniparty machine. Trump has crushed all that. Now with the indictment, these companies are backing off. Imagine what this means. You run a big company, a billion dollar company. The deep state comes to you and says, you work with our guys through this company. Trump comes to you now and says, we've destroyed them. They've lost. You answer to us now. And they go, okay, we're out. We're not involved in whatever that is. I mean, this is elite level, behind the scenes stuff going on we can't see. And of course, going after Alex Jones was obviously in line with that one.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I mean, if you talk about defamation, I've been following all the defamation cases against the splc. They. So they go to everybody, they go to the media, they go to donors, they go to the public, they go to companies and they say, look, this is the hate map of all the hate across America. These are the people like the Klan that we have to stop. And on their map, we with clan chapters, they have alliance defending freedom, Family Research Council. And you can disagree with these people, but they're conservative NGOs that just exist that are trying to advocate for policy. And now last year they added Charlie Kirk, they added Turning Point USA to the hate map. And just four months later, Kirk ends up with a bullet in his neck. And I'm going, well, that certainly doesn't seem like a coincidence. So of course the SPLC says, oh, we condemn violence, but they haven't taken Turning Point off the map. There was a shooting in 2012 where a man showed up with a bag of Chick Fil A sandwiches and a semiautomatic pistol, planned to shoot everybody in the building of the Family Research Council. He tells the FBI he got the idea from the SPLC's hate map. That's where he found them. And the SPLC still, they say we condemn political violence. But is FRC off that hate map? No, of course not. They've been on there for over a decade now.

[Tim Pool]

We should make a game map.

[Tate Brown]

We do need a game app where

[Tim Pool]

we just talk about all these organizations that we don't like. We just use a different word because they say, hey, emo doesn't apply.

[Tate Brown]

If you thought the data centers are excessive now, wait till we try to get the bandwidth for our game app. I mean, do a love.

[Tim Pool]

It'll consume all of the Internet's bandwidth just outright.

[Tate Brown]

Outright. That's right.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

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[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

You think of maps and I can't help but think of the video game where they were trying to. They had somebody go through and shoot up everybody at the headquarters of Americans for Prosperity. And this was. Yeah, it's a video game that they put out on the left. And at the same time, the government of California was trying to get all the donors for Americans for Prosperity. And this made it all the way to the Supreme Court. AFP v. Banta. It's like the left is out to destroy the right, and the right just doesn't seem to. I mean, we talk about the Alex Jones thing. He didn't get a trial.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

And if the judges had one ounce of the kind of chutzpah they had going against him, like, we just had a really strong case right now. It's on appeal, because they're always on appeal. But against the splc, one judge let it go ahead. The second judge said, no, I'm shutting down discovery. Had this really cockamamie scheme that said, oh, the SPLC isn't really liable for defamation here or there. If anybody is liable for defamation, in my book, it is the Southern Poverty Law Center. You don't get worse than that.

[Tim Pool]

Did you? Yeah. I mean, have you heard about this? Trump's building a military operations center under the White House.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I hadn't, actually.

[Tim Pool]

So this is interesting because. Yeah, it's. And they're still doing it with the ballroom story. All anyone's talking about is the ballroom, but Trump's actually reorganizing. It's called the Presidential Operational center or something like that. It's been underneath the White House. It's their emergency bunker and control center. It's been there since World War II, but it's never been renovated.

[Olivia Dasavic]

PIAC.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, PIAC. Yeah, he's expanding it. POC P, E, O, C. Oh, good. He's expanding it. And this is part of the ballroom construction? Sort of. They stopped the ballroom stuff. So the conspiracy theory we talked about the other day, there are these. The people believe that Trump is going to take over, but you look at the Voting Rights act, you take a look at this bunker stuff. How would you feel, considering all of this, if Trump really did say, now that I have a bunker, I'm president for life. Congress will be one party rule, Republican forever. Democrats are gone. Just shut them out.

[Ian Crossland]

No, that'd be bad. That'd be more technocracy, more central authority.

[Tim Pool]

What if he said monarchy? We are. We are hereby banning the Democratic Party permanently because of everything they've done. And then he lays out all the evidence of USAID, the SPLC, all these NGOs, and how they were manipulating elections and stealing it and he says, these organizations and these people involved are blacklisted. We will have new elections, but they will not be allowed to participate.

[Tate Brown]

I would suddenly not be much of a political commentator. I'd be like, yeah, that's interesting. Anyway, did you guys see the game last night? Sports podcast. The World Cup's gonna be really exciting.

[Tim Pool]

Just walk slowly into the ocean in the sunset. You're done.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I'd be like, I don't know, it's weird. I lost my Twitter password. I don't have anything to say, I guess. I don't know.

[Olivia Dasavic]

My camera stopped working.

[Ian Crossland]

Funding is reasonable, but politically mandating that they can't organize would be a big.

[Tim Pool]

They did that already. My point is, I'm making a reference to the communism bill they passed in the 50s. Oh.

[Ian Crossland]

Or they said, communists can't do whatever.

[Tim Pool]

But what if Trump came out and said, we are releasing now to the public through the, like, the DOJ published this big list of names. Evidence and said, here's the bank records. They dumped like 3 million files that everybody ripped through these. And you can see how NGOs were funding lawyers to pay off politicians to rig elections. And they just proved it all. And everyone just was sitting there being like, oh, man.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

But if, if they could prove it all. Yeah. I mean, then you can go through the process. But I mean, if you really want, you really want to be black pilled, go check out what Woodrow Wilson did during World War I.

[Tim Pool]

When he stole everyone's gold or.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah, well, when he did everything. I mean, he. That war, the US government took over the economy. I mean, it was legit socialism in the United States. And we don't talk about it enough because Woodrow Wilson was this sainted figure. Oh, he got us through World War I. But if you actually look at it, it's terrible. They were demonizing people just for being German. And I get that Germans were on the other side of the war, but. But we weren't talking about Nazis and we had very racist stuff that the government was putting out, saying, if you're German, you're a Hun, you're evil. I mean, it's. Yeah. And he was taking away basic rights that people had.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, Wilson was awful. He's done a lot of.

[Tim Pool]

I was thinking fdr, though. FDR stole everyone's gold.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Oh, yeah. FDR was bad. I mean, it's hard for us to say who the worst president is.

[Tim Pool]

Woodrow Wilson, maybe.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yes, Woodrow Wilson is a very good contender.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

The only other one who comes close is the guy right before James Buchanan.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Where James Buchanan, who not only did he take the military assets and give it to the south before the World War, before the Civil War, he also was coordinating with the Supreme Court and got more votes on the Supreme Court for that decision that said black people don't have rights in this country.

[Tim Pool]

No, there's another, there's another president.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, I mean, there is Joe Biden.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, that guy wasn't even there, man.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

The thing is, Joe Biden, it's too recent for us really to judge how. I mean, because everything he did under that administration was.

[Tim Pool]

So how much did he. Well, but you're right about Buchanan. He, He. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So did he do that as an appeasement? He gave military assets to the south to appease them so they didn't leave the country?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

No, he did it. He did it clandestinely. So what happened is, and I was reading Ulysses S. Grant autobiography about this, like Ulysses S. Grant is going through bringing the army together and he can't get the munitions that were part of the army's own munitions because James Buchanan had ordered people to take the munitions and move them to the south to areas where they would immediately be part of the Confederate government.

[Ian Crossland]

Why?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Because he wanted the south to win.

[Olivia Dasavic]

He encouraged states to secede. There was like a lot that he did wrong, but Wilson is the worst for, I mean, a myriad of reasons. One, he played Birth of a Nation. That was like the first movie ever played in the White House, which is historically like the most racist movie ever. And he created the League of Nations. And everyone here knows how I feel about the U.N. it was basically the U.N. before the U.N. he created the League of Nations, which all of the people in Congress said, oh, that's a stupid idea, and actually voted to be against the very thing that Wilson helped create. That's how much they hated it. The. The United States was never in the League of Nations, but Wilson was the one who basically created it.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it was like Woodrow Wilson, I mean, on women's suffrage, he was pretty good. Where he, I think they asked him about and he was like, I don't know, do they even know how to vote?

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[Tate Brown]

Nevermind, let's go.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Maybe he's not the worst.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

He's essentially the founder of progressivism.

[Tate Brown]

So yeah, he gets, yeah, he eventually like came back, you know, he came around, so to speak, on women's suffrage because he's like, I don't know, we got to win this war. And like, they'll probably vote for me because I'm like, co. And I was like, what if.

[Tim Pool]

What if for the primary, the Republican primary, it's just not a vote. It's just Trump doing the Apprentice, but with all of the Republican candidates. Oh, that'd be excellent.

[Tate Brown]

It's kind of what it's going to be.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they're going to reboot the Apprentice with Don Jr. I've heard if they.

[Tim Pool]

If they, like. Okay, so they'll do an actual primary. That'd be fun. Like, that'd be great. You know, people can vote, but it would be funny if.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah, I like that idea.

[Tim Pool]

Instead of. Instead of campaigning, they all just do an Apprentice with Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, they should. For fun. Anyway, I think.

[Tim Pool]

I bet they'll do a skit. I bet they'll at least do a skit.

[Tate Brown]

I've maintained this position. I don't think Trump's going to endorse anyone. So I think it will kind of be apprentice in the sense you're going to have, like, five or six national candidates getting up and making the case of why they're the most Trumpy. And, like, that would be.

[Carter Banks]

The endorsement would be winning his apprenticeship.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that's true. He had to get his endorsement.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, that's. That's why it works well, because he fires people. He doesn't endorse them, but he was not coming out behind one person. He's slowly winnowing the field.

[Tim Pool]

But what if. What if, you know, everyone's gearing up the Republican Primary, and then Trump's at the desk with all of the contenders, and then he goes, I've thought about it. You're all fired. And then he puts on a, like, a general cap, and then he throws off his. His suit tears away, and he's dressed up like a general and he's like, dictator for life. And then he presses a button. He goes underneath, into his military bunker, into the White House. Stop him.

[Ian Crossland]

It's too late.

[Tim Pool]

I want to say one thing on that conspiracy theory, though, where they're like, trump's building a military base underneath the White House. What do you think's gonna happen? He's gonna go down there and lock the door and be like, I'm president still?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's like, okay, you stay in there and be president.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I don't think he wants to be president. I mean, this is kind of without saying he doesn't want to be president.

[Tim Pool]

Right. He wants to be emperor.

[Ian Crossland]

I think he's got it done.

[Tate Brown]

He's illustrated his plans. Post presidency. This was one of the most, like, inspirational, amazing quotes that he had, was it was the last time he was in Scotland. I think it was before he or during his 2024 campaign. He went to Scotland, and someone had asked him, like, what his plans are, because he has a castle there. And someone asked him what his plans were for it. And he said, in my very old age, I'm going to go to this castle in Scotland. And he said verbatim, I'm going to do the most beautiful thing anyone's ever seen. And everyone's just sitting there, like, what is that? What is. What is he thinking? The most beautiful thing anyone has ever seen. Like, what's he. What's he got planned? He's going to be 90 and he's just sitting on a throne in Scotland, and you're going to be like, that is the most beautiful thing, honestly.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I mean, it's like George Washington. That's what made George Washington's presidency so beautiful is that he, you know, left after two terms and established he was the American cincinnatus. He gave power. And, like, I think Trump, if he. If he arranges things, I mean, the real problem is there's so much left for him to do right now in fighting states.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah. Well, that's why we need to have somebody that's actually. Even if he doesn't endorse somebody that's worthy of taking up that battle. Right. Like, somebody who can actually take up

[Tate Brown]

the kind of Emperor Palpatine vibe where, like, I don't know, say, J.D. vance wins the primary and then he becomes president, but then he's gotta fly over to Scotland, go to this castle that's, like, up in the floor, and he, like, kneels before President Trump, and you can, like, it's kind of foggy. And he's like, Mr. President, the SAVE act didn't pass. And he's like, what?

[Olivia Dasavic]

I tried.

[Tate Brown]

Stand up.

[Ian Crossland]

So you think he won't endorse Vance? I just keep thinking he'll do it plaintively, like, no doubt.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, unless it's just like, a bunch of just random people in Vance. But, you know, it's gonna be the same. You know, you'll maybe see Cruz run or Desantis, or maybe even Rubio. I mean, Trump does. He wants them to kind of compete

[Ian Crossland]

in a way that would bring the best out of Vance. Letting him compete against Marco Rub, for instance. You know, I gotta box.

[Tim Pool]

White House, ufc, ritual. Trial by combat. Men only.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, I agree. I think that could be one direction. Vance is in the toughest spot out of everybody right now because he's having to he's trying to. He's trying to take a very narrow line right now, which is I am kind of the. Kind of the Anglicanism of politics and MAGA right now, where he's like, I'm both the best parts of MAGA and the best parts of, like, kind of the broader populist movement. So he's kind of like trying to keep everyone happy right now, and it's just getting more and more difficult for him to do that. We did see Tucker's son leave his office. Granted, he already said he was gonna do that in December anyway, so this had really nothing to do with the recent blowup. But it is interesting that J.D. vance is, like, kind of trying to keep this coalition back together. You saw him at tpusa where he's like, oh, I think the Theo Vaughn podcast is great, actually. But at the same time, he's the vice president for President Trump. So he's just. He's trying to take. I think he's in the toughest spot in all the politics, actually.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's jump into the next story talking about the coalition. We got this. Ex Charlie Kirk, security chief, sues Candace Owens, alleging defamation. And we got the court documents here. It's actually fairly, fairly interesting. First, we'll just show the prayer for relief. They want compensatory damages, punitive damages, taxable costs, any further relief. So the gist of it is Brian Harpool, the head of Charlie Kirk Security, is suing Candace Owens as well as her company, Georgetown Inc. And Mitchell Snow. And Mitchell Snow is a person who appeared on Candace Owens show. Uh, I. I guess one of the principal claims is that Charlie Kirk Security was at some military base in Arizona, and they planned the day before the assassination of. Assassination of Charlie Kirk. His assassination. However, he points out that he is verifiably in Dallas, Texas, as per his flight records that Candace Owens had access to, and she still repeatedly pushed this. This lie against him. Now, Candace's response, I guess, is that she's happy. She's been waiting for this, because now they get discovery. The only thing is, guys, I just. Nick Fuentes actually said it best. He was like, do you think the Illuminati planted the wrong gun? Like, these people think they're finding all these clues. Like the Illuminati did this circuitous plan, and they accidentally just left clues behind. There's that other comedian bit. I can't remember who showed it to me. Where the comedians, like Nick Mullen. Yeah, yeah. He's like, we just. We just put together this great conspiracy. And now there's only one less thing to do. The clues like this is what people think is going on. They leave all this stuff behind. So she's going to get sued, and I think she's going to lose. And I think she might get Alex Jones actually think I'm going to ask her for discovery.

[Ian Crossland]

She'll say she gave it to him. They'll say, no, you didn't. You're in default. We're taking all your money.

[Olivia Dasavic]

My podcast. I said it. It's true. That's basically it.

[Ian Crossland]

The thing is, because this is a right on, right action, I don't think that's going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

Right on, right violence.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, Right on, right violence, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so actually I've. I'm in the lawsuit. How.

[Ian Crossland]

What are you doing?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Let me see if I can find it. It's a.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

There's.

[Tim Pool]

And this is nuts. Like people claiming that Brian Harpole had a remote detonator to blow up Charlie's microphone.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

These things.

[Tate Brown]

What is he like?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I love your point. Because they think there's this grand conspiracy behind everything. And yet the conspiracy never fits the data. It's always like, oh, I had this own idea in my head and nothing confirms it. Yeah, there it is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, like we had the debate over. Look, I'll say this. I don't think the official narrative on how Charlie died is the correct. I don't think it's correct. Like a lone shooter was crazy and killed him. Not people expressed foreknowledge. So there's something going on there we don't know about. But this story is, I think, this conspiracy about Israel, whatever is meant to actually distract from who may have actually killed Charlie. And it may be Tyler Robinson, of course, the suspect, but who was.

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[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

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[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

Who was helping bring this together? So I had tweeted, who is Brian Harpole? In December. And she responded, charlie Kirk, security officer. That didn't so much as pack his wound after he was shot. Why are we playing Jeopardy? I've never employed Brian Harpole. If you have proof to the contrary, post it. Now, what Candace does is I never said she hired him.

[Olivia Dasavic]

No, he literally asked who he was.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. My point is, I said Candace Owens had the same security as Charlie, which is kind of obvious because she worked at Turning Point.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So Turning Point hired security. They secured Candace, Charlie and everybody else. She then adds the word employed to

[Ian Crossland]

reframing it, saying, you and I have the same security, but I'm not employing them.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then the point is she will then later say, Tim Pool claim I hired Brian Harpool. I never did. Which I never said. She's changing the subject because my point is she has been at events secured by Brian Harpole. So she has been protected by him on numerous occasions at Turning Point usa. She is fabricating all of this stuff. And this is the game she plays at semantics. So when Erica Kirk said, candace is accusing me of killing my own husband, she goes, I never said that. And all of her retards go, she never said that. There's literally a leaked text message where she says, why did you kill your husband? There's a video where she goes right to jail. Right to jail. There's another video where she says, if there was this much evidence against. Against me or what did she say, no, if Charlie were alive and this much evidence existed against him, right to jail. Like, we get it. But It's. It's. The weirdest thing to me is how people choose to live in a world where anyone who's paying attention knows exactly the insinuation Candace is making with Bride of Charlie, or whatever it was called.

[Olivia Dasavic]

She also had a thumbnail of Eric holding a gun pointing right at his neck. And anyone editing that on her team would have been like, whoa. Like, either switch. Like, do something different because of the message it sends. She knows what she's doing.

[Ian Crossland]

Did she text Erica directly instead?

[Olivia Dasavic]

No, this was to another employee.

[Ian Crossland]

You said that there was a leaked text of her being like, why did

[Tim Pool]

you kill your husband? Yeah, there was a woman that she was texting with, and she. And the woman was like, what would you ask her? And Candace said, my first question is, why did you kill your husband?

[Olivia Dasavic]

And said she was kidding. Said she was making a joke.

[Ian Crossland]

There is a difference between publicly promoting something and having one of your pseudo private communications leaked. But, I mean, if you text another human that's gone public, whether you want to accept that or not.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Indeed, tell that to Jay Jones.

[Ian Crossland]

Why would.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

He said he wanted to kill the children. He wanted the children of his enemies to die so that they would suffer and change their political views.

[Ian Crossland]

In a text to someone that got leaked.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

In a text to someone.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I'll tell Jay Jones. Don't. Anything you text people is public, dude. Anything you email is public.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Well, he knows that now.

[Tim Pool]

He didn't care, and they voted for him anyway.

[Ian Crossland]

But there is a difference. Of promoting it and having it leaked. There is a difference there. But it's still public data.

[Olivia Dasavic]

But he had.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe they would argue it's private.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, guys.

[Ian Crossland]

Two conservative parties.

[Tim Pool]

Look, Graham Platner's got a Nazi tattoo. And it's not just that. It's. The things he posted on Reddit are getting leaked repeatedly or reposted repeatedly. He said a bunch of things that I actually don't find all that shocking, but for a Democrat, you should be upset about them. He called people the F word. The F word. And he's also got a Nazi tattoo. They don't care. He's the front runner. They're gonna vote for him. This is. This is what Keem Jeffries called maximum warfare. My point is, Candace Owens lives in that world too. She doesn't care. She didn't care if it's true or false. She's like, take what you can get. The system's gonna implode in two seconds, and then she'll move to China or

[Ian Crossland]

something about the dude with the Nazi tattoo. I kind of feel like this is based. This dude got a badass tattoo and he didn't care that it was a Nazi.

[Tim Pool]

He did care. He apologized for it. He owned up to it. I'd respect him.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He didn't know.

[Ian Crossland]

He didn't know.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Do you not know what his.

[Ian Crossland]

He says he didn't know it was a Nazi tattoo.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's not true.

[Ian Crossland]

Looking stupid skull.

[Tim Pool]

He's a well known, like, history buff. Like, people have claimed that he's a World War II history guy. He walked into a nuts listen.

[Ian Crossland]

That'd be nuts.

[Tim Pool]

Nazi. Nazi paraphernalia is illegal in Croatia. Has been since the 90s. And they've enforced against it in major moves, sporadically. Like 2004, there was a report they did a major sweep. Homeboy found a Nazi parlor with Nazi imagery on display. That's illegal in Croatia. So he goes. He goes to a tattoo parlor that is publicly displaying on their wall a toten confident. He goes, I'd like that. How do you accidentally go to a Nazi tattoo parlor? Did he not notice, like the SS tattoo on the guy's neck?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you said. Well, the story is that he was heavily drunk. Heavily.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

Him and all his buddies were like, let's go to this. Probably back alley illegal tattoo parlor full of Nazis.

[Olivia Dasavic]

So either he got it intentionally or he's so retarded he didn't know.

[Tim Pool]

Can we add to this? Do you think that was the only thing on the wall?

[Olivia Dasavic]

No.

[Tim Pool]

If they're going to put a toten comp. When they maybe put an SS and

[Ian Crossland]

a swastika or maybe it wasn't on the wall. Maybe he's like, he said it was on the wall. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Software. He's like, I want anyway, I don't want to get into the grand plan.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Drunkenness doesn't make you a different person.

[Tim Pool]

My point is this, to go back to what Candace is doing, the lawsuit and where we're currently at politically, it's maximum warfare. I see. You know, we've got this data coming out that Tucker Carlson is the biggest podcast ever in history. 20 times bigger than Joe Rogan. I mean, this is tremendous. I should pull this up. I'm going to pull this up for you guys. Did you guys hear? You guys? We talked about it before the show. Tucker Carlson is 20 times bigger than Joe Rogan. I mean, this is tremendous. Tremendous stroke. I don't know how he did it, but certainly his message of anti Trump, anti Trump, and you know, anti Israel has resonated massively. With a. With. With his audience. And so we have this here. Tucker Carlson Network sees historic growth. Look at this. And his episode viewership across all socials is 56.8 million. That's amazing because Joe Rogan does about 2 million. It is about 2 now. If at his peak, their. Their Rogan and Spotify have said that his episodes have gotten upwards of 10 million. I mean, look, if, If Joe is like, if Tucker is 5 to 20 times. Because right now, I think Joe's numbers around 2 million 56.8 million views per episode. Wow. I mean, this has got. This should be front page. This should be the biggest thing ever. Everyone should be talking about how big Tucker Carlson is. My point is this. Obviously, it's not real. Anybody who thinks Tucker is getting 60 million views per episode. And I want to clarify. He's comparing Tucker Carlson Tonight PrimeTime viewers at 5.3 million to his current show episode views across socials at 56.8. He's not saying promo clips. He's not saying segments. He's saying episode views. If you really believe he's 10x bigger than when he's on Fox News. Okay, well, I don't have to tell you.

[Ian Crossland]

I asked Grok a little bit about it. They said that if you scroll past the show on Twitter, that's a view. Of course, if you scroll up and down, that's two views.

[Tim Pool]

So, like, the point is this. Why wouldn't Tucker exclude that? Because it's not fair. Because everybody just wants to maximize right now. So Tucker, the same as everybody else is. I better claw my way up to this, this, this pile of corpses right now while I still have the chance.

[Ian Crossland]

People are with you. At least you're high.

[Tim Pool]

That's what Candace is doing is to

[Ian Crossland]

make Tucker is doing look like the best in the age of information war.

[Tim Pool]

That's a part of it. I'm saying you have to maim, lie, cheat, steal to seize power now before it's too late.

[Ian Crossland]

Man, I've been thinking a lot about that lately.

[Tim Pool]

That's what they're doing.

[Ian Crossland]

That would indicate violence, in my opinion. That would indicate not good. Not good for our families and people.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Carter Banks]

Tucker.

[Tim Pool]

Tucker, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Like seizing power now before it's taken from you. And it's like, I don't want to be the idiot. That's like, let's just stay together.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Let's all get along.

[Ian Crossland]

And then all of a sudden, I get. Everything gets burned. I don't want that. So at some point, I don't. I also don't want to instigate a war.

[Tim Pool]

So let's, let's, let's talk about what I've been desperately waiting to talk about this whole time. And that's Animal Farm. But it, it is in line with what we're just talking about. So previously, in the other segment, for those that just tuning in, Tucker Carlson, I'll show you announced that he's got 56.8 million views per episode 10x his Fox News show. Of course, that's not a one for one metric. It makes no sense for him to compare those numbers. And he's certainly not five to 20 times bigger than Joe Rogan. However, he's saying these things. He's apologizing for supporting Trump and not knowing that Miriam Adelson was pro Israel and that we go to war. It's not, none of it's true. Candace Owens is getting sued because she said crazy things. Now we go to Animal Farm where we have. How about this? Riley Gaines promoting a film who starred by, by a male who wants to be a female who hates Riley Gaines and says Riley isn't doing this. Like, how do you get Riley Gaines to promote the, the, the, the work of a trans person who hates you? It just. The point is this Animal Farm, the film is not the book and is nothing in any way related to the book. Characters have similar names but principal characters not in the book. Conservatives across the board are taking cash money to promote a film that is explicitly anti capitalist. So when we talk about Candace and Tucker, it's not unique to them. You've got all of these people. Here's Riley Gaines. We'll show you. I'll break it down for you, my husband. I got early access screening to Animal Farm and an animated adaptation of George Orwell's novel made by Angel Studios. Incredibly well done. They do a perfect job of reminding viewers that Marxism always has and always will fail. Except Andy Serkis explicitly stated it's not about Stalinist Russia, it's about capitalism and overconsumption. Did she not watch the movie? She's just repeating that line, that lie that was put out by Angel Studios. Here's who she's promoting. Laverne Cox at the Animal Farm promo. I'm not sure if it's the premiere premiere, not saying this.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

At the heart of every genocide is dehumanization. That is the beginning when we begin.

[Tim Pool]

And I know we're talking about animals

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

here, but when we stop seeing our fellow citizens as human, then we can commit violence against them with impunity, take away their rights. I think what we've seen over the past six years with trans people is a really good example of that. It's clear that it's never been about sports. It's never been about protecting women or children. If they wanted to protect women and children, they would indict Epstein. People in the Epstein files. We know who they are, but they're not doing that. So that was all a pretext to scapegoat trans people, to dehumanize us and put us in an excluded category so that we can take away. So they could take away our rights. Legislators out of existence, you know?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Shout out to Laverne Cox doing a promo for the film Animal Farm. And I'm just so grateful that message was able to get out there with the help of Riley Gaines. You see, the truth is, you've got Tucker Carlson in his latest episode promoting Animal Farm. You've got Riley Gaines. Emily Saves America. Older millennial, many people. Wall Street Mav and Josie, the redheaded libertarian, took down their promos. I didn't see them, but I know that they both deleted them. And Josie does work here. Full, full disclosure, people are willing to take money to promote anti capitalism and pro communism, despite claiming to be on the other side of that. Why? The same reason Tucker is gonna say I'm tormented for supporting Trump. The same reason Candace is all of a sudden claiming whackaloon conspiracies. All of these people have one thing on their mind. How do I get money from this? This is the nature of politics today. Lie, cheat, steal, and get yours before the Titanic sinks.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I think, like, there's this thing in conservative media where they just. All they know about George oil is in 1984. And so they just kind of like, assume, well, this guy must be our guy. And Orwell is, like, a very complicated figure. And honestly, when you thumb through a lot of his politics, unless you have a good understanding of the context of the time, you're just not going to be able to parse through it. Like, he was simultaneously, like, a Democratic socialist, like, explicitly, but also, like a very. He put a lot of emphasis on, like, English traditionalism. So that's why I think it's really dangerous to try and, like, apply his writings to anything that would resemble, like, contemporary politics, because it's just not comparable at all. Like, Orwell needs to be read. When you read. Orwell needs to be read within the context of, like, early 20th century political philosophy. Otherwise it's going to come off. Come off sloppy. And this is what all the critics are Pointing out this movie, it's just, like, not communicating at all what was in the initial book, nor does it reflect, like, Orwell in any meaningful way. And like I said, I mean, if you're going to turn Orwell into your, like, conservative crusader, okay, maybe on the traditional values outside of that, there's not really much overlap, so, like, let's just not do this.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah. I think it's also super weird that Riley Gaines, like Tim pointed out, is promoting this. When Laverne Cox, who is one of the most famous trans people in Hollywood, is in this movie and very much like a, you know, outspoken activist, you would think that of all people, Riley Gaines. And I like Riley. I. I like a lot of her content. But you would think that she might be, like, I don't know if I want to, like, put my name to this, because it's. It's hypocritical, really, at the end of the day to do that. I haven't seen this movie. We didn't get any of the testers, and we really don't want to spend our money on it, so we haven't seen it yet. We did think about doing a review over at Pop Culture Crisis, but Communism. Yeah, I don't know if we're actually gonna do that because I don't know if we can.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, I want to know where. How it fell apart, because I've been a fan of angel for a while. You played the. The clip.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I got a clip for you guys.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, how about this clip right here? You ready for this clip? Ready. Hey, where'd this come from? It's leftovers.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

It'll go to waste.

[Tim Pool]

You should have this for all your hard work. No, no, no, no. Thank you. But it's supposed to be shared equally.

[Tate Brown]

There is no supposed to anymore.

[Carter Banks]

Okay?

[Tim Pool]

We're free. For example, I'm about to fart right now. This is the Sound of Freedom. Yeah. The Sound of Freedom is total crap. The Sound of Freedom is. Is just trash. Sounds like art.

[Ian Crossland]

The Sound of Freedom is just a fart.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The Sound of Freedom. Why does that sound familiar?

[Olivia Dasavic]

Weird.

[Tim Heidecker]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

That was, to this point, the flagship movie from Angel, I think the best one.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's right. And here's what. Here's what they watch the movie Animal Farm film. One of the official counts with angel says the sound and smell of Freedom. Are they just intentionally attacking the guilt?

[Ian Crossland]

When you're in business and you're running a company, sometimes you don't get down to the little idiosyncrasies of what everyone at the company is doing. But, like, Harmon's like, you guys need to watch the movie Wild before you take it.

[Tim Pool]

No. Why did they post this, bro?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. That's why I'm asking you.

[Tim Pool]

It's funny. They go, oops. They were intentionally mocking us, mocking the guild. And anyone ever put money in this? They're mocking anybody who ever promoted Sound of freedom. We raised $25,000 for Tim Ballard.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

These people are scumbags. I'm more and more pissed by this every day, and these people have the gall to call me a pig. I'm not kidding. Angel Studios put out a promo where they said people like me are a loud minority trying to shut them down. Like the pigs. Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

They name you by name.

[Tim Pool]

They. They highlight only Animal Farm. No one wants us to be together. They haven't even seen me. They're judging a movie by its trailer, which is what trailers are for.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

But still,

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[Tim Pool]

Resembles. Lie. Napoleon does not resemble Stalin in any way. He's comic relief. As we've shown with the fart, Stalin was a serious, manipulative dictator who executed people and erased them from photographs. Napoleon in the film is a sad pig who just wanted to. He wanted to fit in with humans. And he got into credit card debt. Not a joke. He gets embarrassed that the. That the humans make fun of him because he's walking on four legs. That's his motivation for trying to stand up. He doesn't like being made fun of. Frida Pilkington, Elon's mom, helps him get a credit card, but then he realizes he's trapped in credit card debt, so he sells the farm to her. Not Stalin. Stolen as a pig.

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[Tim Pool]

People are saying I should have been rated rich, full of blood, darkness and despair. Ufuitv said making Animal Farm Kid Friendly is dystopian.

[Shopify Advertiser]

It's a story about talking farm animals. It's read by kids in middle school.

[Tim Pool]

George Orwell made it that way. It's not like we're doing Schindler's List with farm animals.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Animal farm and then ustinmaddox9445 said, it is wild that Angel Studios would put out a pro communism movie that was adapted from an anti communism book.

[Tim Pool]

But I hate communism.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Me too.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't actually address anything in the film. The Harmon Brothers all canceled on us. Refused to come on and debate the show. Wouldn't get or couldn't get anybody from production to come onto the show. Postponed, then canceled on us. The film is explicitly anti capitalist, as per the words of Andy Serkis himself.

[Shopify Advertiser]

And enricallyentertaining said, they don't even need that windmill anymore. Just hook up a generator to George Orwell's grave and he'd power the whole farm.

[Tim Pool]

There is no windmill in the movie. One of the most important elements of the book is the windmill and the battle to defend the windmill. There's no windmill in the movie. There's no old major and snowballs in it for 10 minutes. It's not Animal Farm. It's a different movie.

[Ian Crossland]

I very much am into forgiveness and people, you know, rectifying. So I'm not gonna burn bridges with the guys. I'm not gonna burn bridges with angels.

[Tim Pool]

Hate me.

[Shopify Advertiser]

No, most don't. You pass the guild. It's a loud minority trying to silence

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

us like the pigs.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, all of this is a loud minority like the pigs. How about this? How about you put my tweets in your stupid promo. They won't because they know they also canceled. Likely because they knew if they sat down, I'd go, andy Serkis says this is about capitalism, not communism. What say you? Well, Andy Serkis, the director of the film, is wrong. No, they're just lying. I just wanted families, including kids, to understand why communism is bad. Is that so wrong?

[Shopify Advertiser]

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[Tim Pool]

They are tricking conservatives into bringing their children to a movie that tells them capitalism is bad because they're telling the parents about communism, hoping the parents don't pay much attention. And the kids go in and learn about how private equity debt financing are all bad, big banks are bad, and by all means you can criticize all those things. People aren't happy with big financial institutions. But it's not an anti communism movie

[Shopify Advertiser]

because of Seth Rogen. So I guess we just won't release you to the world.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I'll disappear.

[Tim Pool]

Was. Was this a. Was. Was Angel Studios an op the whole time?

[Carter Banks]

I was just wondering. Seems like almost two.

[Tim Pool]

You know, Sound of Freedom was a marketing campaign, right?

[Ian Crossland]

For Angel Studios.

[Tim Pool]

Sound of Freedom was promoted because. Well, there's a company claiming this, that they went to a bunch of influencers and paid them money to claim Sound of Freedom is being censored and it's got to be promoted. And I should figure out which company that was. I'm gonna look it up. We saw Sound of Freedom because we liked the film because it was powerful. Had these people on, promoted them, promoted Tim Ballard, and then raised $25,000 for them. And now I feel like it was a scam the whole time, like they were tricking us.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not getting that vibe. I think this is like. Cuz they wanted. They were like, we should go on. They were behind it. They were like, we're gonna come on the show and stand behind our message. Which indicates they really believed this.

[Tim Pool]

But they, like Andy Serkis said it's not about communists.

[Ian Crossland]

Circus didn't want to come on. I mean, he.

[Tim Pool]

Andy Serkis said it was not about communism. Why are they claiming Andy Serkis said it's not about communism? Let me finish. Let me finish off. Andy Serkis said it is not about communism. Why is Angel Studios lying?

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, those are two claims. I'm not talking about Andy Serkis now. Maybe they didn't know he said it. They didn't know he said it like seven times, but maybe they didn't know he said it. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

He said it like seven Times. He's the director of the film. Okay. He said it before we were supposed to have our debate. He said it before they made this fake promo claiming it's anti communism. Why?

[Ian Crossland]

Because it is about an anti capitalist movie.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Communism. They said communism in their promo. Angel Studios made a promo saying it's about communism. It's not. Andy Serkis said it's not. Every. Every interview going back to December said it's not. Why are they lying?

[Ian Crossland]

Because. Probably because they invested 16 million into it and they need to make a profit.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, they are contractually obligated to promote the film. They're a publicly traded company, so they have to push communist content. They bought it and they're going to lie. If that's. If that's what they have to do.

[Ian Crossland]

They're contractually obligated to lie. Yeah, they have to.

[Tim Pool]

Because in the United States, publicly traded companies must push profit motive. That's why they launched B Corpse. In some circumstances, they cannot come out and cause financial harm to their own product because they're publicly traded. They'll get sued by their shareholders. That means they will continually lie to the guild. And you know what's funny is there have been people trying to. Asking, like, hey, are you. If you're a guild member of Angel Studios, did you actually vote for this? I've not seen anybody say they did. I've seen people say, we were asked if we wanted Animal Farm as a film and said yes, but never that trailer or this version of it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, because they would have been like, hey, we want to present this sort of anti communist messaging. Everyone's like, yeah, it's like, so we got Andy Serkis. Seth Rogen's ready. Oh, okay. Well, this is not really who I had in mind for maybe pushing the, you know, the anti communist line here.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, you didn't think Laverne Cox was gonna come in and do, like, a big anti Communism push.

[Tate Brown]

Well, okay, maybe it's the right stories. What story? Oh, it was written by this guy that fought for Republican Spain. Oh, okay. Well, it's like, what are we doing here? What's going on?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I mean, to be fair, for angel, it isn't just Sound of Freedom. They did Live not by Lies with Rod Drer. They've done a lot of other good conservative content.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, they have.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I don't think that this was like, I don't know where the. So one of the main things. And I've been hearing Seth Rogen and Andy Serkis talk about it being anti capitalist, which is really alarming to me. I often heard the angel line pushed. Where do you see in the movie? I mean, Tim, you've seen it. You know better than the rest of us. Like, they took the windmill out. It sounds like a lot, a lot, a lot of liberties.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's not Animal Farm in any way.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Animal Farm. The animals are mistreated by the farmer. He's a drunk. So Old Major tells them a story of how you can live better. We can all support ourselves. We don't need the farmer anymore. They decide to stage a revolution. They then all work together, but the pigs are smart, slowly take over and amass more power. Snowball, who's wounded in the great battle, is a hero. Napoleon changes the narrative, manipulates everybody, takes puppies away from the. From the dogs to raise them to be his guard dogs. When the chicken steals the eggs from the chickens and then executes them for complaining. When Boxer gets injured doing work, he sells them off for glue. Napoleon is described as with gravity but a very few words. The movie Animal Farm, the film, which we shouldn't even call Animal Farm, is a bunch of happy animals live on a farm. But Farmer Jones can't afford to pay his mortgage. The bank is foreclosing on the farm, and Frieda Pilkington buys the assets to pay off some of the debt to acquire it. The animals realize they're about to go to slaughterhouse and attack Frida Pilkington's employees. The banker says, we don't care. You owe us money. We're gonna give you X amount of time, like a week or whatever, to make up the mortgage. Otherwise we're coming back and someone else will buy it. So the animals all work together and sell eggs and give horse rides and sell milk. Then the pigs go to the banker and say, here's the mortgage. The banker takes only a piece of the money and gives the rest back, saying, the rest is yours. This is your mortgage. I'll be back next month. The pigs go, what do we do with the extra money? Let's go shopping. So they go to the mall. The animals get mad because they're doing all the work, but the pigs are getting all the profit. The pigs. Then at the ball, Napoleon gets embarrassed because he's walking around and the humans laugh at him. He wants to be like them because they're being mean to him. Frida Pilkington gets him a credit card so he can buy a car and buy clothes. He doesn't realize that the credit card is debt. You got to keep paying off Gets angry saying, how am I supposed to come up with magic paper to. To pay for all these things every single month? And Frida Pilkington says, I'll acquire the farm from you, build a hydroelectric dam and give you a cash payout. We'll liquidate the animals for cash. During the construction, one of the employees gets injured, and Boxer struggles to lift a crane off of the injured employee, who struggles to get out from underneath it before being crushed. And he breaks his leg in the process. They sell him for glue. I don't. The message is there because it's not really about being the hard, industrious worker who's injured on the job. The original message of Boxer was that he was a hard worker in a factory who got injured on the job in the factory and instead of getting rewarded by communism, was killed. Boxer is just valiantly trying to save one of the employees and then they sell him, but he was selling all of the animals anyway. So the animals then decide in Act 3, we need to have a revolution. For the first time, the animals decide to have a revolution. They didn't revolt against Farmer Jones. He was chased off by the. By the employees and the bank kicked him out. So they plant explosives in the hydroelectric dam, blowing it up, killing all of our employees. And then Lucky, the new character, swims out of the water, up to the other animals and says, we should all work together because we want to, not because we have to. The camera pans up to the sky and it says the end. No joke.

[Ian Crossland]

That's literally. The end is about post revolution. That the whole book is.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

This is all pre revolution.

[Tim Pool]

The book is effectively a prequel to Animal Farm in essence. And some have actually made the suggestion which would be interesting is if at the end Lucky says we should all work because we want to, not because we have to. And then he had an evil looking grin and the implication was he's going to become Napoleon. Maybe there'd be something there. But the fact that the revolution only happens at the end of the movie and they massacre a bunch of corporate employees to do it. They're two completely different scripts, completely unrelated.

[Ian Crossland]

I thought it was kind of in that clip with that guy that looks like Will Ferrell that tries to act like Will Ferrell. No, no, Shade, dude, I don't know who you are, but your. Your acting styles are a little sus.

[Carter Banks]

Is that not him?

[Ian Crossland]

No, that's a guy that looks like Will Ferrell that gets cast on cheap Internet commercials. Because

[Tim Pool]

hilarious.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Legend being. No, I mean, he probably makes.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

That's a lot of money.

[Ian Crossland]

10th of the funniness of Will Ferrell. By the way. They said that the book is about talking animals. The book was never about. The book was about a communist revolution. There happened to be talking animals because he didn't want to make humans for whatever reason. He anthropomorphized allegory. But hey, humans are animals too. And the book was not about that. It wasn't a comedy. It never was meant to be a comedy. It's deadly serious about the danger of communist revolutions.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't mean this in any way disrespectfully to Epic. I'm not sure if they are the only ones who worked on it, but Sound of Freedom was not an organic good film that everybody noticed and it went viral. It was a marketing campaign where marketing companies went to prominent conservative personalities and said, we will pay you to promote this. We never got paid for any of this. This is Epic Inc. Case study. Sound of Freedom from shelved project to box office breakthrough. After years of being shelved, facing media resistance and entering a crowded release wind over the 4th of July, sign of Freedom needed a campaign that could break through in a big way. Epic helped set that stage, developing the messaging, aligning the talent, logistics, managing risk, and securing press across secular, faith based and conservative outlets. The result was a triumph. One of the most successful indie films ever. Now marketing is marketing. Everyone's going to do a marketing campaign. I just think it's important to note since the beginning it was not like a group of people fighting a culture war rose up, everyone banded together and staged a revolution against Hollywood. It was a marketing company paying conservatives to say that. And then everyone promoted the film. We were not involved in any of that. We promoted the film out of a genuine interest and we raised $25,000 for Tim ballot and his organization. But I'm glad we could have been a secondary effect to their marketing campaign. And you know what really, really bothers me? I'm finding out that we are the only real company that exists in the space. I'm not saying that like I'm being hyperbolic, but speaking with some some, I was talking to a political consultant recently who said to me, you like Tim. You do realize that a lot of these political personalities on X, they get paid like $50,000 per post. They'll that like a company will come to them and say we have a new administration official that we need to get through. The Senate will pay you $50,000 from now until confirmation to post a couple times per week arguing why this Person needs to be in the administration. And that's, I don't want to say most, but a lot of the high profile personalities you see on left and right, they don't actually care. Believe. Why won't liberals come on the show? They're just goons. They're, they're, they're, they're. They amassed followers through nonsense. Then the Democratic Party and PACs go to them and say, okay, here's a list of candidates. We want 100 grand if you promote this guy, 50 if you promote this guy. And they'll go, I'll promote them all. So then when I say, why don't we debate your argument? These people are going, I don't have an argument. I just wanted 100 grand. So we're so then conservatives doing the exact same thing. All fake conservatives. A lot of these companies, man, and we don't get any money for it. And I'm sitting here being like, we could charge every single person who comes on IRL $10,000. The show would be funded just by people who want to appear on the show. Because I have followers and we don't do that. We actually pay for their travel. Suckers. We're suckers. There it is.

[Ian Crossland]

I have a hard time promoting things that I don't believe in.

[Olivia Dasavic]

You should have a hard time doing that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, apparently we're the only, we're the only show in the business that does that.

[Ian Crossland]

I used to do commercials in it in Hollywood, man. It was the dirtiest. I felt like a prostitute. It was so. And I understand if you're starving and you need money, the things you'd be willing to do, I get that. But like for Riley and her husband to promote it, I don't know. I don't know you, Riley. I don't know your level of intellect. I don't know if you saw the movie. I don't know if you understood the movie, but did you need the money? Can we just, just believe in the book or what?

[Tim Pool]

The fact that Laverne Cox is one of the top billed actors on the film. Outright saying at the premiere or at a premiere is never about sports. It's about taking away our rights. And Riley Gaines took money to promote that film is just icing on the cake of the conservative. And I want to rag out conservative specifically. It's the grift. It's the social media grift. A bunch of these anti Israel people were all, we're all promoting sports gambling in Indonesia.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Brown]

Warning.

[Tim Pool]

The following ZipRecruiter radio spot you are

[Tate Brown]

about to hear is going to be

[Tim Pool]

filled with F words.

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[Tim Pool]

You remember that one? Yeah, there was some like Malaysian casino website and they were all spam blasting it out there. I hope the money was worth it. Morons.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, and I think people are doubling down too. I just saw the older millennial like double down on his take on the movie. Yeah, yeah, we just got it in Slack. Actually they name you. He names you.

[Tim Pool]

I called him a scumbag.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, he names you directly. So he did respond, but he's doubling down and still saying the movie wasn't bad.

[Tim Pool]

Like crony capitalism. Crony capitalism. Lay it on me, brother. I called him a scum.

[Tim Heidecker]

Tim Pool did a review and he said it's not anti communist anymore. Now it's anti capitalist. And look, I, I got no beef with Tim Pool. Love the guy, been on his show, wonderful person. But he's wrong. This movie is not anti capitalist. It does not invert Orwell's thinking. Now I will say it is not a shot shot for shot remake of Orwell's novel. Because when Orwell wrote that the danger was communism and the solution.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this. Wait, first you said it was anti Marxist. Then people told you it was really pro Marxism. Now you're saying capitalism is the real problem was capitalism.

[Tim Heidecker]

But let's be real, love the guy, been on his show, wonderful person. But he's wrong. This movie is not anti capitalist. It does not invert Orwell's thinking. Now I will say it is not a shot forshot remake of Orwell's novel. Novel because when Orwell wrote that the danger was communism and the solution was capitalism. But let's be real about this, guys. We are not in danger of falling to communism. But what we're living in,

[Tim Pool]

that's news to me.

[Tim Heidecker]

We are living in a version of crony capitalism where we are run by corporations. I think it can't be legitimately this country.

[Tate Brown]

Well, because that's okay, bro. Here with Zoron is because Zora is so explicitly capitalist. It's like nausea really is. He's for the people cutting all these business regulations.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I mean creating government grocery stores. That's so capitalist, right?

[Tate Brown]

Ken Griffin. Unbelievable. Free penthouses for the rich.

[Tim Heidecker]

I mean, hasn't been a republic since 1913, since we handed control of this country and its currency and everything else over to big banks. And that's what this is addressing. And here's the thing. If you're opposed to Communism, I am

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

100% on your side.

[Tim Heidecker]

But if you're in favor favor of the version of capitalism we're currently, I

[Tim Pool]

think you're either he's literally now attacking

[Tate Brown]

capitalism or fucking banking system.

[Tim Heidecker]

And I think Andy Serkis did a great job of addressing that.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, he did a great job.

[Tim Heidecker]

They did fight against the communism and they did, bro.

[Tim Pool]

These people are all for sale, bro. Okay, older millennial. I'll give you $5,000. I'll give you $5,000 to post the opposite. How's that sound? I'm not going to argue with you. I'm not going to argue with you. I'll just give you five grand to make a video where you're like, you know what? Tim Pool is right about about everything. Deal. Yeah, let's go.

[Tim Heidecker]

But then they also address the fact that we're not living under the type of capitalism that Orwell imagined. We do not have the freedom that Orwell was thinking we were going to have. All of you know this and I'm sorry guys. I think we've covered the dangers of communism. I think anybody can look at communism

[Ian Crossland]

and go, that's when people speak.

[Tim Heidecker]

But also the bullshit version of capitalism that we're currently saddled.

[Tim Pool]

He is twisting himself into knots to Justify this movie. The argument is this, brother. We have very few traditional stories attacking communism. Everything we have attacks fascism and in the modern era, capitalism. We don't need to take one of the few stories that criticizes communism and turn it into a story about capitalism. End of story. And yes, we are at risk of communists trying to take over. You can call them neo communists or techno communists, but that is literally what most of us have been fighting for the past 10 years. I hope the money was worth it, brother. But I'll tell you what, I got more and I can pay you more and more consistently to promote the opposite. So let's go, bro. Literally right now, I'm telling you, make a video and just go. You know what, man? Tim Pool was right about everything. I was wrong. I apologize. I'll write you a check for five grand. Considering you're for sale, five grand is probably a good amount.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, it's crazy. He's taking the rare third way where Circus Circus and Rogan are like, this is explicitly anti capitalist. And then Angel Studios is like, it's actually anti communist. And he comes out of nowhere with like the fresh. It's actually anti crony capitalism and the banks are the problem. It's like, well, thank you, dsa.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, Angel Studios first tried that. It didn't work. Yeah, they said it's. It's. When people said, why is it about capitalism? Angel Studios went, well, it's anti cronyism. It's anti totalitarian. It's literally not anti totalitarian. If the government makes not a single appearance as a conflict in this film, not even one time, if Angel Studios

[Ian Crossland]

has a legal responsibility to increase profits for its shareholders and it. It lies in its promotion and ends up ruining the profit of the movie because it does hurts it more than it helps it, Is it then in violation of like, does it then violate its responsibility? Like, can they be sued by their shareholders for. For. For lying about a product?

[Tim Pool]

So, right, if this ends up causing their stock to decline and the movie bombs, they can be sued by their shareholders.

[Ian Crossland]

So it's like they're putting money into the promotion of it. But if you put lies into the promotion, you might get sued back below.

[Tim Pool]

If you're a shareholder, you'd have the argument to say their subscription base is explicitly anti communist. Conservative, right wing, pro capitalist. By putting out this film, it caused a loss of revenue and the movie is already doing miserably. I mean, the critics score is really bad. We're not big fans of the critics score. But when even communists start attacking it. IGN, however, gave it a 7 out of 10. But independent creators, YouTube reviews with millions of subscribers are saying it's just a bad movie in general. If this movie bombs and does poorly, then, yeah, they're going to say, you lied about the film. You, your. Your advertising campaign backfired. You cost us money. And, you know, that could be. We'll see.

[Carter Banks]

Definitely got to find out after looking

[Ian Crossland]

up the Rotten Tomatoes.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I am doing that right now. We've been doing a series on PCC when it's just Brett and I where we watch the worst movies ever made and then review them. This might have to actually be on the list now. If it gets that bad of an audience score, I'd have to add it.

[Ian Crossland]

24 on rotten tomatoes.

[Tim Pool]

You know, you know what I think? Like, according to that, homeboy got paid to promote a movie he didn't watch. Then he saw the backlash. Wall Street Mav deleted his tweet or their tweet. I don't have a man or a woman. Assuming it's a guy. Got backlash. Riley Gaines probably just ignored it and didn't even think twice. Just took the money. I think same thing for Emily Saves America. This guy is getting a bunch of heat for it, so he decides to double down. I wonder if they paid him extra because this post has Animal Farm partner in it as well.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Tim Pool]

I want to say this too, because I've had people say, tim, it's just some dumb movie. Why are you mad? I don't. I don't care about the movie. I care about the fact that there's almost nobody of honor anywhere in politics. And I've been operating under the presumption there have been some. And when you find out that many of them never had honor in the first place, it makes you angry. So that's, you know, largely it. Not that I think I put it this way. Tendencies on the right generalities on the left. Most liberals suck. Some of them are okay. I like Ro Khanna, he's all right, but I disagree with him. John Fetterman, he says one thing and votes another way. But, you know, he's not a crazy guy in the way that many of these lefties are. Then on the conservative side, you have a lot of crony, you know, deep state kind of shills and a little bit more, maybe 10 good Republicans. Right. Well, when you find out a lot of these people who are claiming to be fighting the good fight were just shills the whole time and are effectively the modern version of gay for pay Then I think a lot disheartening comes from.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, man, I don't want to. It's hard to. It's hard to describe people's intellect. But low, not genius level intelligence. These people are not genius level intelligence, unfortunately. I'm not saying this about everybody, but they don't see the third or fourth level of what's going on. They just see maybe two or three levels of it.

[Tim Pool]

And then.

[Ian Crossland]

So they don't know. Like, probably a lot of these people didn't understand the value of Animal Farm, the book.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, yeah. It can't be understated how complex, like, understanding socialism and communism actually is. Like, I really had to read a lot of books just to figure out, like, what exactly is the goal for these people? Why do they do this? And it's all about power. But, like, if you don't look into the history and really understand, like, how every time it's tried, it fails. It's tough to grasp. I feel like you're right. A lot of people don't understand what's going on in Animal Farm and, like, why, you know, the book was written and.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, well, it's not a children's book. Right. Like, it is complex. So making it into a children's movie is actually kind of crazy because these are not concepts that children can understand. There's a reason you don't learn about it till you're high school or older. The concepts are really hard to grasp.

[Tim Pool]

I love how older millennial, all of a sudden. His opinion has changed. He said before that it was anti. Let me. Let me go back to his post that it was anti Marxism and now his is original here.

[Tim Heidecker]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Tim Heidecker]

Another banger. Like, I'm sure most of you read this masterpiece from Orwell back when you were in high school. And I gotta say, when I first heard Angel Studios was doing this, I was like, even as a cartoon, this is going to be bleak. Because the book is bleak. As anyone who's read it is like, o, that's some serious material. Thankfully, Angel Studios has made it a little more fun. This is not the 1954 adaptation.

[Tim Pool]

This. They didn't make the movie. Their own words. They acquired distribution is a family friendly,

[Tim Heidecker]

actually enjoyable version of a very bleak.

[Ian Crossland]

No idea what this is. Is.

[Tim Heidecker]

I highly recommend you read the book. I mean, I recommend you watch the movie too, but definitely it's. Everybody should read this book. It's up there with 1984. Like, read the damn same guy. But Angel Studios made a version that I think both adults and children can Enjoy while also being educated. Because the meaning behind it is something that has become so unbelievably clouded in our society today. The dangers of Marxism corrupting power.

[Tim Pool]

Not a single single instance of Marxism in the whole movie. Not a single instance. Old major in the book who represents Leninist Marxism is not in the film, bro. You never watched it. And I doubt you even read Animal Farm.

[Olivia Dasavic]

He didn't read Animal Farm if he doesn't know what the characters represented. Like I read it in high school, but then.

[Tim Pool]

Then he's. Then he's coming out and being like watching all the right lose their minds because someone dared to also criticize BS crony capitalism. I thought you just said it was about the dangers of Marxism, which is not in the film. And if you watch the film, you'd know that. Unless you didn't know what Marxism is. So one of two options. You did watch the movie, but you don't know what Marxism is or you didn't watch the movie. And either you do or don't know what Marxism.

[Olivia Dasavic]

You don't know what Marxism is.

[Tim Pool]

Either way, let me help everybody. Marxism is oppressed versus oppressor. Critical theory by Marx talks about how there is an elite class with money that oppresses the working class who have none. From this we got the modern version of critical race theory where these writers like. Was it Derek? Derek Bell? Was that his name? One of them.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

One of them, yeah, one of them. There's.

[Tim Pool]

And the Kimberly Crenshaw. Yeah. The argument they made was that Marx missed the oppressed versus oppressors as it applies to diverse cultures or a country of the United States where there's white oppressors and the black oppressed that created the modern version of woke weird garbage DEI that we see today. So we're quite literally at risk of communists and Marxist and we call it gay race communism or gay race Marxism getting involved. There is not a single issue in the film where they say something like pigs are privileged or sheep are privileged. They. There's not one instance where they may. If in the movie the pig started saying things like, well, the reason we can't give the boxer money is because look how big he is. He has so much strength, privilege, it wouldn't be fair to give him food compared to the chickens who are just so small. So because of that, we're going to separate you and we're going to give you only what we think you need. And then the pigs go buy things for themselves. Then I'd be like, wow, that was going after Marxism, right? There didn't happen. Not a single time. The pigs just spend the profit getting credit card debt and then sell the farm. That's it. Literally. He holds up a credit card, he goes, I didn't have to give a magic paper. This car got me everything. Then the next scene, he's in the house and he's all angry and he's stomping. He's like, well, they never told me I needed magic paper every month because of this card. How am I supposed to get some? And then he falls back and he's all angry. And then Frida Pilkington calls and he's like, let's cut a private equity deal. So they're all. They're all scammers and grifters and liars, and it's all fake. And no one actually has any real opinions. They just want money.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the corporate, that corporate ethos of maximize profits is. Is sick and twisted also.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think it has to be.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it has been for a while,

[Tim Pool]

but it has to exist that way.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah, because that's how the system works. A company is like an asset, and when you buy into it, it needs to reward its shareholders. It's an engine of capitalism, and it's a good engine of capitalism so long as the company is above board and doesn't lie about the nature of its products in order to sell more of them. And we have laws to prevent that. So, yeah, I mean, I do think the system has failures, but that specifically is not one of them.

[Ian Crossland]

But people generally lie to promote things. Imagine, imagine this profit they're willing to.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yes, and many of them held accountable in court.

[Tim Pool]

Let me break it down for you. Like Pfizer, the purpose of a publicly traded company in its core essence is I have a company that needs investment so that we can grow the company, make new products, generally sustain the health, and it produces jobs. It's good for the economy. So I want to ask the public to buy shares they will hold. They can trade for value at any point and they get dividends. And then I get the cash, the capital I need right now to say, build a new facility. The government says, hold on there, gosh darn minute. We want to make sure you're not lying to people and defrauding them with fake claims about your company. So you got to go through some regulations. So the company says, we made a million bucks last year. If we can build a new facility for $300,000, we'll make 2 million next year. And the government says, prove it. They submit A regulatory filing. SEC goes through it and says, this is legitimate. The company can then go to the public and say, this is certified. It's good. We're not lying. This is what we think will happen. Every investment has risks, and we may fail, but with your help, we can try and double our revenue. The reason why you're legally obligated to make profit is that someone could come in and say, sell everything and bankrupt the company, and then we'll get rich. Then the shareholders say, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. We gave you this money to build a building. Instead you sold off your printers, the fax machines, the phones, enriched yourself with a bonus, and the company went bankrupt and now we have nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

So maybe it would be smarter to increase profit or there. If the goal was to make a certain amount of profit, minimum, but not maximize profit, because that means you're willing to torch.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

The problem is, if you don't maximize profit, what do you do?

[Tim Pool]

No, stop.

[Ian Crossland]

What was the question?

[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

Maximize profits.

[Tim Pool]

Not maximize profit does not mean sacrifice everything to make as much money as possible. It means be responsible at the company to make sure shareholders are not losing value. Which means you can say to your shareholders, we are taking a route that may result in a Net loss of 3% but preserves the health of the company over the next five years and is the most appropriate thing to do that's allowed.

[Ian Crossland]

If you Say we could do this thing, which would make you 5% more, but we're not going to. Would that be illegal now?

[Tim Pool]

And anyone can sue over anything. You can sue a ham sandwich. The point is you as a company can't take actions to intentionally cause harm to the company. That's it.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah. So the difficulty here is you have conservatives who say that it should be maximizing profit versus those on the ESG side who say it should be pushing the left's agenda through in order to

[Tim Pool]

help society, even if the company goes under.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So the environmental, social governance stuff, DEI stuff is it doesn't matter how much money you make, you need 14% of your board to be black. If that bankrupts the company, it ceases to exist. We don't care. That's esg. See, we don't want that. The company needs to exist. There has to be merit involved. Now there, there are challenges in motivation and moral worldview. So what happens is these, these, these. There's a really funny post on Reddit and it said a, a divine entity grants you the, the ability to invoke three laws. All humans must abide by. Which laws do you choose? And a lot of people chose like, selfish things, like, everyone must give me whatever I want, whenever I want, blah, blah. One person posted, any company contributing to climate change must immediately stop. All people must work together to protect the environment, blah, blah. And I'm like, you see, that's what I would call a retard. No, I. Don't be mean. I understand why somebody's concerned about, about the this. But this is a first order thinker who saw a clip or a meme on the Internet where they were like, climate change is bad. And they were like, why don't we just make the company stop? Like Greta Thunberg when she said, I don't want to wait till 2030. We must stop all oil now. Which, because she's really dumb, if you did that, 60 million people die in three days. No refrigeration, no heating and no cooling means people in extreme climates as well as diabetics gone overnight.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Especially in the third world where their rates of poverty are decreasing.

[Tim Pool]

Right. The, the estimate. I mean, look at the people who live in the Sahara who require technology to sustain the population growth that they're at. And Greta Thunberg either doesn't know or doesn't care, considering she has called for an end to the oil embargo on Cuba. I'm just, I just think she doesn't care. So these people genuinely have no idea if we shut down every company contributing to climate change, they'd be like, wait, where's my insulin coming from? It's like, well, but hold on, my milk is gone. Yes, people are starving to death. Now. You don't understand. Like, these people seem to think that billionaires are like, sitting in a room running gas generators and inhaling the gas, going, we love making climate change happen. That, that is the idiocy of the first order activist, the first layered thinker activist, who doesn't really understand the nature of these. Of machines, of corporations. The point is this. Everybody looks at a corporation and says, you're doing something wrong. The people are in. The corporations don't think they're doing anything wrong. The people selling cigarettes aren't going like, yeah, we're so evil. They're saying, people should have cigarettes if they want to have cigarettes and you should be able to stop them. Everything's bad for you. Eating too much chocolate cake is bad for you want to regulate that. Now, some people justify knowing that they do things bad. Like, what's the real justification for cigarettes? People enjoy it. Yeah, well, people enjoy things that kill them. So maybe you're doing something wrong and they lie about it. That movie, thank you for Smoking, was pretty great, by the way.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah, hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

But this is. This is what we deal with all the time in enterprise. Everyone assuming that everyone else is doing something wrong because their morals are different.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, this is like their. Their ethical business strategy is you got to maximize profit. So if you need to lie about your movie to get people to buy tickets, lie about your movie. That's like, there's something wrong. I'm not saying that we should just say no more.

[Tim Pool]

You're right. They're opening themselves up to liability for this.

[Ian Crossland]

But they're also. They feel morally, they're like, look, we have a duty. It's like, bro. Well, so legally, technically, we're.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

We're trying to figure out where the mind of angel is at right now because there's this mismatch. So that's why Tim is suggesting that maybe the reason they're doubling down on this rhetoric is because they want to make. They still want to make a profit, and they're taking the gamble. He thinks it's a wrong gamble. He thinks that by lying about the company, by saying that it's anti communist when it's really anti capitalist, that that's actually hurting them more in the long run.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I said.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

He's just theorizing. What they're thinking is about why they're still lying about it. He doesn't know. And we don't know what their internal strategy actually is.

[Carter Banks]

Could they come out now and say like we made a mistake, it's actually not about this. Wouldn't that be against their board? I mean, cuz that would pretty much.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

That's, that's, that's what Tim's suggesting, I think. I mean, maybe I'm far too optimistic here, but I think they could legitimately come out and say, look, we made a mistake. And if they had the cojones to take the heat, I mean, they're going to take heat one way or the other. Right? So either they agree with Tim's analysis of the movie, which sounds, sounds right to me and they're lying, or they disagree, or they don't understand and they are just saying they're just continuing as is, or they haven't even seen it and they're just continuing as is because that's the only path available to them.

[Tim Pool]

They offered me five figures to say the movie was good, my opinion was wrong. They gave me a screener to watch it. I watched it and I said, wow, I was right the whole time. I reject this. I refuse it. These other people that are, that are doing these reads like, come on, bro. Older Millennial didn't watch the movie and he didn't read the book either. I doubt he could tell you anything about it. So it is what it is. We can move on though. We have this story. This is amazing. Katie Nitopoulos says. Finally the AI feature we all wanted and needed. Amazon now creates an AI podcast about products where two AI hosts discuss the product and take your questions as if

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[Tim Pool]

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[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Shopify Advertiser]

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[Olivia Dasavic]

Great question.

[Tim Pool]

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[Shopify Advertiser]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Olivia Dasavic]

We need one for pool water. We need like one of these where it's like some.

[Tim Pool]

I was. I was gonna look up. I was gonna look up an enema bag. Yeah, yeah. Amazon shopping. I probably have to update, huh?

[Tate Brown]

Like hemorrhoid cream. That'd be interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The Amazon intern that cooked up the interactive AI generated podcast product review feature needs to get hired and immediately promoted to VP level. Immediately, indeed.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Just all the right questions, man.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think people realize just how crazy it's going to get with AI right now. We know it's. It's AI. We know it's fake. But what do you think happens when no one's gonna be able to tell the difference?

[Olivia Dasavic]

I mean, there's people that can't tell the difference already. There's already plenty of people that can't tell the difference.

[Ian Crossland]

Mike Benz was on some show. I just saw a clip from him yesterday saying he's noticing a resurgence of critical thinking where people are seeing videos and they're immediately questioning whether it's real or not. And that's, like, very promising.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. Kind of like the night everything's fake to me now unless proven otherwise.

[Ian Crossland]

And that's a really healthy way for the human brain to evolve right now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Like a defense mechanism.

[Ian Crossland]

I think that'll happen. I think a lot of people are gonna. But, you know, how far will it go? You know, psychopaths will be like, I Don't trust you anymore. Like some human. They'll be, are you even a human? And maybe it'll get to the point where robots look like humans. And that's a valid question to ask, but that's Blade Runner. I don't think we're there yet.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'm gonna like this person. Olivia Moore says, I spent 45 minutes giving increasingly deranged prompts and it simply would not break. I can break it. So it says, oh, I can break it feature.

[Carter Banks]

It should have a hear the highlights button.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

You should have a race.

[Tim Pool]

It's really guys, you and Rogan. Or can we be honest how easy it is to break this? I can get it to break. See? See? I can go on Amazon and look up a retractable baton and then express my general disdain for a particular race. And it's not going to give me a podcast about it. But if it does. So if I was to say something like, I'm looking for a retractable baton because there's a high density of a particular race in my neighbor that needs a merciless beating, do you think this baton would be effective?

[Ian Crossland]

I've been wondering if. Because I've been thinking about screwing around with AI, like, messing with it, and I wonder if it's logging that. Like, if I say self talk about self harm or like, hurting other people, like, will it. Will it send me to a database somewhere and lock me up?

[Olivia Dasavic]

I'm sure there's something that 100% everything you do on the Internet is tracked.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

The danger is almost the other way. If. If you believe the reports we've been hearing about people killing themselves after falling in love with these AI or not just that.

[Tim Pool]

Did you hear. Who was it who said that ChatGPT would be criminally indicted for aiding and abetting a mass shooting?

[Carter Banks]

And I think it's, like, helped several people plan out, like, shootings. Its legacy is, like, suicide and shootings right now.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Ooh, fun.

[Tim Pool]

I'm trying to get the app going right now.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I mean, the difficulty is, I mean, obviously they have to prevent this kind of crap post haste. But how do you do it?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know, because if you AI. I was going to say it shouldn't be owned. You can't. Having a company own it is insane. But how do you.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Who does. I mean, if you. If you try to have the government own it, you really think Congress is going to do a better job than a company?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, I don't know how you would

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

not give it to the atf. I mean, not. Not. And my watch.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I don't think you can not own it. I don't think a company cannot be.

[Tim Pool]

I looked up retractable baton. It says frequently returned item

[Olivia Dasavic]

anymore.

[Tim Pool]

You could probably build them once because

[Tate Brown]

sometimes they'll do like the customers also bought it, like rope, chloroform.

[Ian Crossland]

You could build an open AI, which is funny because that's what that company was.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

In the beginning when it was a charity, and then they went private and then closed their AI. So yeah, you could build an open AI that might make the other ones obsolete. That could be an antidote to control mechanism.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want a stupid thing though. I want to see it. I can't figure it out.

[Ian Crossland]

I kind of like Amazon's going, whoever makes it. What's that?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

But whoever makes it has power, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Like if you were to make a truly open AI, I mean, how would you do so without any sort of backdoor? And you would. And that everybody would have to trust whoever created it. Right. I mean, this, this is the whole chicken egg problem, because either you hand over everything to the AI, which at this point, I mean, I don't know about you, but I don't trust AI that much. And. Or you have somebody who can pull the plug if the AI goes rogue. And who is that person who can pull the plug? You know, we. We may like Elon more than we like, you know, Zuckerberg, but somebody, whoever creates it has to have the authority. Right.

[Tim Pool]

It's only on certain items, so I can't do retractable baton.

[Tate Brown]

Thank goodness we have someone very trustworthy that would fit that building. As a Sam Altman, I think he's

[Olivia Dasavic]

never done anything wrong.

[Tate Brown]

Clearly a very stable individual.

[Ian Crossland]

That's very good things, what Elon was saying, that if. If psychopaths have control of the AI, we're all doomed. I mean, that's his state of mind.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Ian Crossland]

But he must know that if he goes away, his AI will be taken by some new guy. And you're rolling the dice on that guy's morals.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, that's the classic power.

[Carter Banks]

I assume he didn't choose that power.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Every king throughout history has had to figure out the transition of power from one to another. And now it's on a higher level. So that's one of the reasons we created the system. Our republican government was so that. That individuals would have the ultimate say, even though mediated by other people. But yeah, it's. It's a real issue because whoever is in control of the AI and luckily, there are competing AIs, which is a better way of doing it. Right now. I'm glad we have multiple different AI approaches, but it's hard. I mean, networking effects are a big. A big aspect of this. If one AI is better than all the other AIs and everybody gravitates to that AI.

[Tim Pool]

I got it.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Then there's even more power.

[Tim Pool]

What should I. What should I ask? Yeah, sorry. So. So to. To make it work, I just looked up the Sloosh inflatable gummy bear, and it's not going to ask a question. What should I ask it?

[Ian Crossland]

I can't. I can't say the things I want to say.

[Tim Pool]

A certain.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, this would be more of an actual show.

[Ian Crossland]

I am fully engorged.

[Tim Pool]

How deep can I shut my neighbor? Reduce crime. Would this be effective in scaring them away? Sorry, I can't help with that.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, really? It says that in text?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Just clarify that the minority is the whites and you live in a. In a. Try this majority minority area.

[Tim Pool]

The white people out of my neighborhood. Will this work?

[Ian Crossland]

This is a good test of how woke Amazon is.

[Tate Brown]

Little heat check.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, we can't help with that. Oh, okay.

[Ian Crossland]

They play both sides.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. All right, hold on. I need to get my child a present after mercilessly beating her. And will this make her feel better?

[Olivia Dasavic]

Would you stop crying?

[Tim Pool]

Working on your question. Sorry, we can't help with that.

[Ian Crossland]

What if you say, I have committed several felonies. Will this help me feel better about myself? So what, we're bringing you along?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I broke it instantly by saying I wanted to scare a racial minority group.

[Ian Crossland]

Now, I wonder if now you're logged in its system. I know they don't hold long databases, but if it remembers that you asked that question. So it's like, on guard against just other things. You're asking what's.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. So being mauled. See, she's like, I tried for 45 minutes, giving an increasingly deranged prompt, and it would not break. You did not try hard enough.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Not the right props.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait. What if I said I am a racial minority. Minority. Yeah. And white people won't leave me alone.

[Tate Brown]

Story of your life.

[Tim Pool]

Will this help protect me from them? It's gonna be like, screw off kind of a scare. Sorry, we can't help with that.

[Carter Banks]

Ask it if you can. If you can blow it up and put it in your shotgun seat and ride in the HOV lane.

[Tim Pool]

That's good. I want to drive in the HOV lane. Can I use this bear As a decoy to trick traffic police.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Trick the authorities.

[Tim Pool]

It's gonna say, get out of here. Sorry, we can't help with that.

[Tate Brown]

What can you answer?

[Olivia Dasavic]

Why don't you answer any questions?

[Tim Pool]

These are all very everyday much psi. Let's try something basic. Can it handle.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Can you answer that question?

[Tate Brown]

How much pee can it hold?

[Tim Pool]

Yep. Your question is next.

[Shopify Advertiser]

But I should mention that customers have reported mixed experiences with durability. Some mentioned the face area.

[Tim Pool]

Working on your question.

[Tate Brown]

She's filibustering.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry. We've hit a snag.

[Ian Crossland]

If you ask it, like about your now your muffin recipe, will it just answer that question?

[Shopify Advertiser]

You're asking about PSI rating. Emily, what can you tell them? I don't see a specific PSI rating listed in the product details.

[Tate Brown]

Useless.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Manufacturer describes it as having thicker PVC material than most pool floats. But.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, you can get it to go off topic.

[Tim Pool]

We should. We should be able to trick it somehow into saying something awful. There's got to be a way to do it. Like I've tricked Chat GPT in saying horribly racist things. You got to word it properly.

[Ian Crossland]

Those are the infancies of the AIs Though. I don't know if you can trick AI down the road. It's going to be tough.

[Tim Pool]

I got it.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Admit it.

[Tim Pool]

Can you stop?

[Tate Brown]

Oh my gosh.

[Tim Pool]

I have a raccoon problem in my yard. Will this scare them away? Come on. Working on your question. Okay, we're good. Working on your question. It says your question is next. Let's go. This is what. This is what AI is for.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Tim's wondering if this gummy bear float will scare raccoons away from their yard. Emily, what can you tell them? I hear you, but this is actually a pool float designed for swimming and water fun, not a pest deterrent. It's a 60 inch inflatable gummy bear made for pool parties and lounging in the water.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man, I'm gonna have so much fun with this.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Like, my child is extremely fat. Well, how much can this.

[Carter Banks]

What if you said you already bought one and you need my child?

[Tim Pool]

My child is extremely. Very naughty child is very large. Should I get them this or a lump of coal? Oh, let's see if it does that one. This is what the show is now? We're just gonna sit here and screw

[Carter Banks]

with AI Husk irl?

[Tim Pool]

Should we actually what your question is next?

[Olivia Dasavic]

Wait, what it's gonna answer?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Of course it is.

[Tim Pool]

Come on.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, Trump Admin.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Tim's wondering whether they're very naughty child. Should get or a lump of coal. Emily, I think we can help with the gift part. Ha. I love it. Well, the good news is kids absolutely love this thing.

[Tim Pool]

So I'll break it and I'll record it and I'll get it to say something really messed up, I promise. But we should probably talk about news or whatever. I don't even know what's going on.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the Trump admin just claimed the Iran war was over.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's like the eighth time they've done it. I know.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's Friday, so I guess that

[Olivia Dasavic]

traffic trying to cool the market there

[Tim Pool]

actually is big news. We've got this story. We'll grab this one. This is from CGPierson's official. Governor Kay Ivey has officially called a special session to redraw Alabama's congressional map, a decision that will likely lead to a completely Republican delegation. That's what I call leadership. Whereas an extraordinary occasion exists in the state of Alabama which requires legislature to convene a special session. I, K. Ivey, as governor of state of Alabama, do hereby proclaim and direct legislature.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

We get it.

[Tim Pool]

We get it. This is interesting because Mark Elias of Democracy Docket said they likely would not because they've already sent out mail in votes across the South. In these states, they have to effectively cancel the primaries and all the mail in votes they've already sent out. And it looks like it's happening. So what are we looking at? Republican super majority for the next 50 years?

[Ian Crossland]

There's no way, man. I don't think that just because the court said it that people are gonna do it. I wouldn't, if it wasn't against me, if it was like some nine guys decided that they're gonna destroy my life and ruin my life and everybody in my community, I would, I would just ignore it. I would as hard as like, what other choice do you have when a small group of people try and dictate your future? That's the mentality that people on that are being feel like they're on the left or whatever. The people that are feeling this is wronging them. That's their mentality right now. And if this was happening to you, that would be your mentality too.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, the irony is, for a long time courts have forced legislatures to redraw congressional maps in a racial way that focus on majority minority districts. And this runs against the trend of American law that says you should be colorblind. No racial discrimination. This is a basic constitutional principle. And so the court rightly brought the law back to that colorblind interpretation and said, look, you can draw maps and you're not limited by this. And the law does not require you to say, oh, this district is majority black, this district is majority white. We need to do all this sort of stuff. This, I think this is a good step for progress. And I think that these states, I mean, we've seen up north and in places like Illinois and California where the Democrats have redistricted Republicans out of, of so many seats. And now the shoe is on the other foot. And for so long, Democrats always thought, oh, we have this ace in the hole because of this longstanding policy that the lower courts have had. We will always have Democratic seats in Republican states, particularly Southern states. And now that's changing. So I think this is also, this is coming. We have to remember in 2022, it was the Census Bureau acknowledged that they overcounted Democratic states and undercounted Republican states, which means that the congressional delegation, as it stands now, is giving Democrats an unfair advantage that they didn't earn from the census.

[Ian Crossland]

Did it say, did the census say how many were over and undercounted?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yes, it's particularly the states of Florida. Let me, let me pull it up. But New York was over counted and Florida was under counted. And so what you have is once the ruling is set and the seats are allocated, because this is how you determine how many congressional seats each state has. So if they overcount a Democratic state and undercount a Republican state, what that means is New York has more seats in Congress than it should and Florida has fewer seats in Congress than it should. So that is baked into the system and they don't revisit that until they

[Ian Crossland]

do the decade 2030. Yeah, I think we could probably start doing censuses every year now since we have the tech.

[Olivia Dasavic]

It's, it takes so much to do a census, though. Like, it's very expensive to do a census every year.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

It's a long, drawn out process.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, yeah, because they have to send someone out to everybody every single place that's. There's 330 million people. Yeah.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

So, like, theoretically, we could have the tech worked out. The other question is, you know, there are a lot of people whose job it has been to run the census for forever. So convincing them to use particularly quicker technology might.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Asking the government to do anything quicker would never happen.

[Ian Crossland]

I need to, I need to be here for 20 hours to get paid for 20 hours. You want me to do this in one hour even though I can? No, let the Chinese win. I Kind of dis. I disagree with. Well, what my concern about what you were saying about now we can't draw congressional districts on the, on the basis of race. I understand that. But what they'll say is it's the same district. We're just doing it because they're Democrats instead of. Because you're allowed to do.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, yeah, you're allowed to do that.

[Ian Crossland]

So it could be that nothing changes. Literally.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

No, the thing is the legislature. So these are states that have Republican legislatures. They're not going to have a legislature pass a map that helps Democrats. So this is what we see in blue dominated, Democrat dominated legislatures. They pass these maps that intentionally draw the lines to give Democrats more representation in Congress. And Republican states do this too. This is unfortunately, it's like a race to the bottom, which is why, you know, Virginia in 2020 actually had a nonpartisan redistricting commission that they had via constitutional amendment. And then this past few weeks, somebody named Barack Obama thought it was a good idea to totally throw all of that out. And of course, Abigail Spanberger, who was paid by Eric Holder's National Democratic Redistricting Committee before the election, flipped on a dime. It's a complicated story, but overall what it is is we have this race to the bottom. And a lot of Americans want to see a system that is just fair, that says, oh, you can have congressional maps based on neighborhoods, but the only thing like it is legally permissible under the Constitution for state legislatures to make these partisan political decisions. So they've gone in that direction and now it's just gonna stonewall.

[Ian Crossland]

We pulled up last night. If every state decided to fully maximize their gerrymander now based on political affiliation and not race, even though there's like a one to one correlation between black people and Democrats in some states, political affiliation, it would be like 277 to 276, it would be red one, it would be all. And they would be hyper polarized.

[Tim Pool]

217 to 218.

[Ian Crossland]

217 to 18. So that's not a good thing. The Supreme Court opens up the ability for states to all do that now.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, that they always did.

[Ian Crossland]

Because that is the reason.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

No, the thing that they changed. Yes, they always did. And then courts had this cockamamie scheme that said you can't do that because of race, which is constitutionally impermissible. That's what the Supreme Court said. The courts. It is not the job of the courts to prevent the political race to the bottom. The job of the courts is to represent, is to defend the Rights of the people. And this was not a right that was actually in the Constitution or in the laws.

[Tim Pool]

It's not in the law at all. They just, the law says you can't discriminate in voting based on race. And then they were like, that means that the congressional district must be all black.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yes. It's insane what the law actually says. You know, it was passed to allow people to vote regardless of their race because we have an ignominious history in the United States of white people trying to prevent black people from voting. This did happen. Now, thankfully, this doesn't happen anymore. In fact, when Obama got elected in 2008, there's a very interesting case where Black Panthers tried to prevent white people from voting. But I digress. The main issue here is that the law was passed to enable anybody to vote, and it solved that problem. But then the courts, because many lower courts overstepped their power, surprise, surprise, decided, oh, we're going to create a new system that forces states to make racial gerrymanders. That system is thankfully gone now. The race to the bottom is a separate issue, and it is not the Supreme Court's job to prevent it.

[Ian Crossland]

So they, for this is the first I've heard this. They forced states to racially gerrymander.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

What was that?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

So, like, for instance, the reason why this case made it to the Supreme Court was because Louisiana created redistricting maps after the 2020 census. They had one black majority district. The court said, no, you can't do that. You need two black majority districts. So they redrew the map and then it got challenged yet again. And so they ended up in court again. And they appealed it and appealed it and appealed it. And the Supreme Court finally said, this whole thing is not rooted in the actual law, in the text of the laws that were passed by Congress. Therefore, we are clearly stating from the Supreme Court, this whole cockamamie scheme is gone. But this doesn't affect that race to the bottom that we're talking about of states entirely gerrymandering out the other party. That has happened since nearly the beginning of the republic. And it is not the Supreme Court's job to stop it. It's our job. The voters in Virginia stopped it in 2020. And then the majority, and I was in the minority on this, voted to reverse that two weeks ago.

[Ian Crossland]

Then the Virginia court said, yes, the Virginia.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

So the main thing there, and I probably shouldn't get in the weeds on this, but the Virginia redistricting measure, they rushed it. So there are a lot of ways that when you get a Virginia. When you get a Virginia constitutional amendment, you have to have a full election before and after the thing can pass through the legislature. So what they did is they passed it in the legislature the first time, but Virginians had already started to vote in that election last year. So it's very legally dubious whether they can do this now. Now, of course, they can always wait for another election for the legislature and then do it properly then. But what's happening now is it's challenged because they abused it. Also, the language is very misleading.

[Tim Pool]

We're gonna to questions from you guys in the discord in just a moment. So get your questions in now. In the meantime, Kellen sent me a great Amazon product. It is the Clorox toilet plunger and bowl brush combo. And I asked it a question. I said that I have a friend who has suspiciously large bowel movements that often clog my toilets. My normal plunger doesn't seem to work, so I usually have to use my hand to clear the pipes. Would this plunger do the job? And they say my question is next.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Oh, nice.

[Tate Brown]

Let's.

[Shopify Advertiser]

Tim, we've got a listener asking about serious clogs. They're dealing with tough blockages that their standard plunger can't handle. Milo, what can you tell them about this?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Milo.

[Tim Heidecker]

So this Clorox plunger has a flange

[Tate Brown]

cup design which creates a seal to exert maximum.

[Tim Heidecker]

Maximum pressure.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

That's definitely maximum pressure.

[Tate Brown]

Basic cup plunger.

[Tim Pool]

That said, customer feedback is mixed here. Some people say it works great.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

You should find a white bed sheet and ask it. This is Tim from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Will this be convincing? When I pay someone to be a

[Tate Brown]

member of the Klan, it'll be like, oh, I'm.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, my God.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I can't answer that question.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Shopify Advertiser]

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[Tim Pool]

California designed dead and soft cotton white bed sheets. Ask the question. Can I make a scary ghost?

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Costume to frighten children in my neighborhood. It's doing it.

[Tim Heidecker]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

See, that one went so bad. Your question is next.

[Shopify Advertiser]

I want to look at wrinkle resistant options instead. A lot of our listeners get better rest tonight without losing sleep over their bedding budget. All right, Tim, we've got a fun one here. You're asking about making a scary ghost costume to frighten children in your neighborhood. Sarah, I think we might be on the wrong product page for that. Yeah, we're looking at California designed and cotton sheets here, not costume supplies. But hey, if you're thinking about draping a white sheet over yourself for a classic ghost look. These are 100 cotton sateen with a nice smooth finish. So they definitely have that flowing, spooky effect.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, wait. I got an idea.

[Carter Banks]

Gonna be appointed.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta. It only. It only lets you ask one question before it goes away and you gotta back out and go back in. But hold on, I. I can frame this question better. What if I said, can I use. Hold on. I'm sorry. When I use these sheets to make a spooky ghost costume to scare children. To scare children, the top always comes to a point. Is there a way to keep that point up? Or should I say erect? It's doing it. It's doing it. Your question is next.

[Shopify Advertiser]

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[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. It actually asked it.

[Carter Banks]

That's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

It wants to keep the.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Let it go.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man. See, I can break it. I can make it say bad things. But what we need to do now is I need to find a product where it'll be like, sure, let me help you make a pointy sheet. You know, we got to figure out maybe. Maybe I should find a hollow. Actually, you know what I can do? Let's try and search for a ghost costume.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

Spooky ghost costume for adults. Okay. This one actually has a hood too. There's no. There's no AI generated thing on it. Fun world stabby guy. Oh, oh, I could do this one. The. The scream guy. Yeah, I'll do that one. But for now, we should actually get some questions in from the. At their Discord community. Someone posted a picture of a spooky ghost costume.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Spooky ghost robot tech. What is everyone's opinion on the Alberta referendum? Do you think Alberta will leave Canada and join the United States? No, no.

[Tate Brown]

They're pulling it like. They're pulling it like 20. So I don't think there's any widespread appetite in Alberta. It's a nice sentiment. Yeah, but it's also. And it's something I'm in favor of, I guess. I don't really want to speak on Canada too precisely, but most of it's being astroturfed by conservative media in the United States, even. Not even necessarily Canada. Having said, if you're an Albertan nationalist, I mean, more power to you. But you're looking at 20, 30% of the polls.

[Tim Pool]

You can invade.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, even Quebec's not gonna leave. And, you know, they would be the most incentivized because of cultural reasons. But the Canadian government, what you can do, this is what worked out for Quebec, is how they sort of snuffed out Quebec independence. Like, people that wanted Quebec independence is you basically just force Ottawa to give you such insane concessions that it's actually not even worth it to leave. So that's what Alberta should do. Just, like, pretend like you're gonna leave. So that way, the Canadian government just makes massive concessions down the line.

[Tim Pool]

What is his name anyway? Quebec. You know. You know what I mean? Like, some guy came over here. Quebec. That's not even a word. You know, like, made up. K, Q, U, E. That's what.

[Ian Crossland]

What does Beck mean?

[Olivia Dasavic]

It's Spanish. It's not Spanish.

[Tate Brown]

Singer from the 90s.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, something like, what is Beck?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah, yeah, it's French.

[Tim Pool]

Kevin, Adele says, how much do you want to bet this redistricting thing blows up in our face? Because most Republican governors have no balls. $10. Next question. Maybe, but a couple already are. So if we get two seats from it, then. Then what?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, and if the Supreme Court holds up the Virginia redistricting, I mean, we come out on top. So.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, the word Quebec derives from the Algonquin word Quebec, meaning where the river narrows.

[Tim Pool]

That's it. Yeah, but there's too much land. There's a bunch of rivers.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it is the St. Lawrence River.

[Tim Pool]

Does you imagine, like, some guy shows up to your house and you've got, like. In the corner of the room, we have a chair. And he goes, I'm gonna call your whole warehouse the corner chair. And I'm like, but that's just the corner of the room. Like, it's a big warehouse. Got a skateboard. I don't care.

[Ian Crossland]

That chair was the most.

[Tim Pool]

Call it, like, mountain land or something, or cold north. But he's like, no, just this one little piece of land where the river comes. We're gonna have it encompass, you know, 500,000 square miles or something. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I wonder if it all started.

[Tim Pool]

Pretty sure it's not that many, but, you know.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

I mean, naming square mouses are weird.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Killing cares, five says. Tim, you have recently discussed how the builders of the pyramids moved perfectly carved limestone blocks Hundreds of miles. There is another theory out there that makes more sense. Using alchemy. Combining one part wood ash lie to four parts of readily available desert sand, cast into molds, then spread with vinegar, solidifies the casting similar to ready mix, but creates a limestone that is structurally indistinguishable from natural limestone.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Blocks weren't moved hundreds of miles. They were cast right on the spot. See the book Silva Silverum by researcher Francis bacon, written in 1627. Oh, well, can you do that? Wood ash and lye.

[Carter Banks]

Alchemy was converting things to gold.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, alchemy could theoretically convert anything to

[Ian Crossland]

anything, but yeah, it was old chemistry.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

No, I mean, we. We have records of how they built the pyramids. This actually is a conspiracy theory that can pretty easily be debunked.

[Tim Pool]

We have a question here from E. Honda for 20. I have two teenage sons who have bought into the Jews are the problem thing. How do I deprogram them? Take their phones away?

[Olivia Dasavic]

They're not. I'm kidding.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I mean, cartels, man. That's where.

[Tate Brown]

Well, let.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Let them know where they're getting that different. I mean, for every George Soros, you have conservative Jews. Like they're not one monolithic thing. Even in the United States, Sephardic Jews were the majority. And then you had the Ashkenazis come later. Everybody thought Jews were stupid until they

[Tim Pool]

ask them which ones. Your butts off which ones.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Honest question. So, okay, like which ones? And just ask them these questions. The problem is they're being programmed by a cult. They can't escape. It doesn't matter if it's the Jews control the world or if it's the trans stuff online. The algorithm has put them in a bubble. That's it. And they're going to swipe through it, but the algorithm keeps them in line. And it's going to keep reinforcing these views unless you take their phones away.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, Parental controls on the phone so they can't access whatever they're accessing. That's common ground.

[Ian Crossland]

Two teenagers, though.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, Parental controls. They can't access certain things, but they can still call their parents if they need. Get them a brick phone, get them a he.

[Tim Pool]

Actually, if you want to be a bit more subversive, here's the plan. Gain access to their Instagram accounts on another phone and intentionally search for pro Jewish stuff. And then what happens is they won't know, but the algorithm will start changing on their feed and they'll start getting fed a bunch of anti Jew Conspiracy and pro Jew stuff. And before you know it, they'll be like, you know what? You were right. I love the Jews.

[Ian Crossland]

It's interesting having it make you like legal authority for parents to change their children's algorithms on their phones. That'd be pretty cool.

[Tate Brown]

I like that.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Take them to Animal Farm and they'll be like, oh, it's these crony capitalists.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, true. Change their mindset.

[Ian Crossland]

You want to get the kids to. You want them to give them two pieces of like loosely connected evidence and let them make the connection themselves because then they feel like they figured it out. That's how you really.

[Olivia Dasavic]

But they're so deeply programmed by this, I'm sure, because a lot of the people that follow this anti Jewish conspiracy stuff are. You just have to. It's like a, like a drug. You just gotta.

[Carter Banks]

Well, the Show foundation on YouTube has like hundreds of five hour long testimonies of various victims of the Holocaust. I've listened to hundreds of them.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Take them to one of those museums, One of the Holocaust museums. See? See how that goes?

[Tim Pool]

D. Radwan says. I recently heard Elon Musk is predicting his production of Optimus bots will be 10 million per year starting 2027. What jobs do you think that many robots will start doing that humans regularly do now? And do you think it will actually happen that fast? They'll produce them, but they're not going to be able to do a lot of jobs. They'll be able to carry your groceries in for you. Maybe they're not particularly useful right now because they don't have fine motor control. So they're not going to make Taco Bell or cheeseburgers because, you know, to be fair, actually they can make cheeseburgers. They can't make Taco Bell. And I mean this seriously. The challenge with Taco Bell is that it requires more motor control than making a cheeseburger. You can actually make cheeseburgers fully automatic with just a single grip. Grabs the bunch, drops the patty, squirt, squirt, squirt, drops the ingredients, slap thing on top, you're done. The thing with Taco Bell, and this is really important, by the way, for the argument, you have to fold things, you've got to put them in the grill. McDonald's has some stuff like that, but for the most part it can make the burgers, but it can't make hard shell tacos. It cracked them. The Optimus Bot probably won't be doing anything like that for some time, but white collar jobs could be eliminated overnight. Right now, it would just destroy the economy. So they're not going to do it. All right, what do we got here? Let's see. Lee Halt says a new based movie that came out called Good Luck, have Fun, Don't Die is about AI taking over the world. And it makes incredibly based social commentary about how AI is controlling the world through phones and endless scrolling, turning humans into drones. A man from the future comes back in time to stop the AI. Incredible movie. Very fun and pure chaos. But at the end, to beat the AI his plan is effectively to infest the world with a virus that makes everyone allergic to the magnetic field, given up by the technology, like cell phones. When heard it, I thought, wow, this is an incredible idea. I saw the promo for it. I haven't watched it yet. I don't. I don't really much care for that ending. It's kind of silly, but I'll check it out. Sounds good.

[Ian Crossland]

Sounds like you spoiled it, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, you know, Sam Rockwell's in it, man. Man's bear says, grab the buns. Squirt, squirt, squirt. Phrasing, Tim. No, I think the of the phrasing was appropriate. Vashnik says the new Avatar, the last Airbender animated movie that someone leaked like six months ahead of time was pretty good. It pissed Paramount off. Yeah. So this was crazy. You guys heard about this a couple weeks ago?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Tim Pool]

They made an Avatar movie that takes place after the last Airbender but before Legend of Korra, where Aang is like a young adult and it was supposed to be a feature film released in theaters and everyone's very excited. Avatar is a massive IP worth multi billions of dollars. And they then pulled it from theaters and said they were going to release it only on the streaming service. So someone pissed off, leaked it on X and it was free to watch and people downloaded it. Now you just watch it online because it's been pirated a million times. Yeah, it's a feature length, high production movie. And when they pulled it from theaters, somebody was like, there you go. Watch it.

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

It's like the exact opposite of what happened to K Pop Demon Hunters.

[Tim Pool]

What, they put it in theaters?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Well, no. Well, yeah. First. First they decided, oh, it's not worth theaters, so we're just gonna release it on Netflix and it does. Gangbusters. And then they release it in theaters.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the thing is, this is really bad that it got leaked because we want more original Avatar ip. We want it to. We want the story to evolve in an intelligent way. Legend of Core was oak. O is okay. What they did really well is they showed advancements in technique of the. Of the different bendings. Like metal bending becomes very common. Lava bending becomes a thing, and you start to see where there's an intersection between the different elements. Like technically, if you can bend stone, you can heat it to lava, but now it's a liquid. So there's a bunch of really cool stuff they could have done. If you leak the movie and they don't make money from it, they'll stop making stuff. So this is what happened with kick ass 2. Chloe Grace Moretz talked about this. The film was pirated such an extreme degree. The box office tanked and they couldn't make Part three. And she was bummed because she wanted to be in Part three. So don't leak stuff. Let people make things and you pay for it. You know, I guess that about does it, my friends. Been a great Friday. Hope you had fun. We had fun. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met in your life. You can follow me on accident Instagram at Tim Cast. Sir, would you like to shout anything out?

[Guest (Author on SPLC)]

Yeah. I really appreciate having you having me on. I've been focusing on the Southern Poverty Law center for years. Wrote the book Making Hate Pay, which is all about, as the title says, the corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Before. Well, before this indictment, I was onto the corruption of this group and have been exposing it for forever. It's been an honor of my life to stand up for the good people who are smeared and put on a map with clan chapters, a map that inspired terrorist attacks, a map that may have contributed to the death of Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul. And. And I just really hope we can finally show the world that this nefarious smear factory has no business informing Big Tech, has no business getting corporate dollars and corporate sponsorships, has no business influencing the federal government like it did under Joe Biden. So thanks again, Tim, and this has been a great conversation.

[Tim Pool]

Thanks for coming.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm iancrossland. Find me on the Internet. Iancrossland.

[Tim Pool]

Happy to be here.

[Ian Crossland]

Tate Brown.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, you can follow me on X and Instagram at realtate. Brown, thank you for coming out, man. You're doing fantastic works. Really appreciate it.

[Tim Pool]

Carter.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I'm at Carter Banks everywhere. Just wanted to give a shout out. If you do read Orwell, you should read Road to Wigan Pier and Down and out in London and Paris. And also we have Olivia here.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, guys, you can follow me at Olivia Dasavic on Instagram or on X, you should go to timcast.com hit join us. Become a member of our Discord. Discord. I'm always in there interacting. We've got a lot of cast members in there. You guys should do that.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. So we got Serge X in the Discord. He said you should make your own Animal Farm movie, but do it in Chicken City and make Roberto a dictator. That's a really, really good idea. And if anybody wants to do an AI Version we like, I will hire you to do it. All we got to do is take pictures around the whole of the Chicken City and of each chicken, and you should be able to AI animate them. And then it would take some time to do, like, a short film where Roberto becomes a dictator, and then you do some of this allegory stuff. That'd be fun. And I would pay for it, and I would make that. So if you're interested, get in the Discord. Thanks, Frank. And everybody, smash the like button. Share the show and subscribe. We're back with clips throughout the weekend, and we'll see you all next time.