Anti-ICE Extremists LOOT DHS Vehicles, Steal Weapons, Trump Warns INSURRECTION w/ DeVory Darkins

Summary

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Episode: Anti-ICE Extremists LOOT DHS Vehicles, Steal Weapons, Trump Warns INSURRECTION w/ Devory Darkins
Date: January 16, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Devory Darkins, Tate Brown, Ian Crossland, Jesse (All That Remains)

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode centers on escalating turmoil in Minneapolis, where anti-ICE extremists rioted, looted Department of Homeland Security (DHS) vehicles, and stole weapons and sensitive documents. The discussion explores whether these actions justify invoking the Insurrection Act, the broader political implications, potential government reactions, and the evolving intersection of law enforcement, activism, and technology. The episode also touches on AI’s societal impact, cultural rifts, and the blurring boundaries between reality, media, and political partisanship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Recap: Minneapolis Federal Vehicles Looted (01:22–04:43)

• Incident Reported: Rioters in Minneapolis broke into ICE and DHS vehicles, stole agent information and weapons (including rifles), and doxxed agents online.
• Concerns Raised: This level of escalation is described as "next level," surpassing previous civil unrest (esp. 2020 riots).
• Quote: “We didn't even see that kind of stuff in 2020. That is next level. Literally raiding an ICE vehicle…it's GTA.” — Tate Brown (04:41)
• Parallel: Guest recounts a prior incident in Seattle with an individual termed “the weapon snatcher.”

2. Debating the Insurrection Act (04:43–13:45)

• Justifying Federal Response: Guests debate if the riots justify Donald Trump employing the Insurrection Act, citing risks of political backlash and leftist provocation (“baiting” federal overreach to claim authoritarianism).
• Quote: “They're causing chaos because politically it will work for them. It'll motivate their base to show up and vote.” — Devory Darkins (06:04)
• Conservative Arguments:
  • Pro: Strong federal intervention would prevent a 2020 riot repeat.
  • Con: Pressuring governors/managing with federal agencies is more prudent than federalizing riot control, keeping the Insurrection Act as a last resort.
  • Trust in DOJ is low among conservatives; skepticism about accountability and follow-through.

3. Political Dynamics and Media Narrative (13:45–20:53)

• Local Politicians: Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and city mayors are accused of mixed messaging and stoking division, with claims they only caution restraint after things go too far.
• Media Strategy: Both sides may be leveraging incidents for political narratives. Discussion of how the left and right interpret and utilize such events for mobilization.
• Tim Pool: “This is not a protest. This is not a riot. These are political extremists. And it's overt terror... We’re at a whole new level.” (15:07–16:10)

4. Order vs. Chaos: American Civic Life (20:51–23:50)

• Cultural Insight: Minor chaos is described as necessary for adaptability and growth, but dominant chaos leads to societal collapse.
• Quote: “When chaos is dominant, we're screwed. A little bit of chaos is a good thing...If you’re too rigid, you shatter.” — Tim Pool (22:43)

5. Rhetoric Around Immigration, Race, and Economics (23:50–28:49)

• Illegal Immigration: Guests argue Democrats are conflating “people of color” with “illegal immigrants” for political expediency.
• Economic Effects: Illegal immigration is blamed for rising costs and worsening infrastructure. Tim Pool and others argue the left staunchly refuses to recognize supply-and-demand issues.
• Communism Critiques: The panel lampoons modern left-wing economic thinking, communism, and “fully automated luxury communism.”
  • Memorable Moment: Satirical riffs on AI avatars generating news, YouTube content, and the impact of clickbait/algorithm-driven content (31:43–34:09, 28:49–31:43).

6. Updates & Notable Event: Arrest Made (35:32–36:09)

• Breaking News: The individual who stole the FBI rifle was quickly arrested. The panel mocks the idea of committing a high-profile crime with distinctive face tattoos.

7. Political Bait and the “Civil War” Dynamic (36:42–39:55)

• Strategic Bait: Guests assert leftist actors might be baiting Trump into violent overreach, so they can claim victimhood and boost their narrative.
• Trump vs. Dem Leadership: Discussion of “cards” held by the federal government and local officials manipulating the situation for political survival.

8. Culture, Protest, and Historical Reflection (43:13–68:56)

• Historical Parallels: Debates on whether the current escalation is unprecedented or cyclical (referencing 1960s/70s riots, the 1980s “peace,” psychological effects like Kent State).
• Media’s Role: Today’s rapid information flow means even single incidents dominate national narrative and prompt federal response, unlike the past.
• Quote: “If you found out right tomorrow, there were 16 bombings in two days... we’d be like, civil war is actually here.” — Jesse (53:05)

9. Law Enforcement: Order, Justice, and Perceptions (59:20–64:50)

• Federal vs. Local Authority: Discuss whether peaceful federal enforcement is possible, and the degree to which local politicians and police complicate or aid order.
• Terrorism: The panel argues actions like doxxing and targeting private residences for political impact (e.g., breaking into agents’ personal vehicles) fit the definition of terrorism.
  • Quote: “This is terrorism, in my opinion… doesn't even matter if you know the people in the house.” — Ian Crossland (59:56)

10. Societal Gaming, AI, and Future Shock (73:44–92:04)

• AI: Doom, Opportunity, or Inevitable Overlord?
  • Tim Pool and guests spiral into speculation: Will AI destroy the job market, spark societal collapse, or replace all media and even individuality?
  • Tim Pool's Vision: "The governments, the big corporations are desperately building AI and… it’s going to nuke everything we know in human life.” (73:44–74:22)
  • Implications: If AI advances as swiftly as anticipated, entire economic segments collapse, and only creative individuals may still "add value"—until the AI surpasses even them.
• Land Grabs for Data Centers: Real-world consequences, such as land grabs for data centers, as AI expansion drives up property prices.

11. On Human Relationships, Family, and Social Priorities (95:05–106:58)

• Panel Drifts into Life Advice: Extended friendly banter about male/female friendships, “the friend zone,” changing hormones and priorities with age, and focusing on family over youthful pursuits.
  • Quote: “When you’re young, I understand why young guys think you can’t be friends with a woman. Then you get older, you get married, and you’re like, there’s tons of other couples that my family hangs out with.” — Tim Pool (104:15)
  • Funny story about “wingmanning” at the skate park, group dynamics, and the cultural rituals of youth.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Insurrection Act:
  “They're stealing weapons, like it's GTA.” — Tate Brown (04:41)

• On Political 'Bait’ Tactics:
  “How do you fight against a party who wants to get shot, they want to get arrested, and they want to cause chaos?” — Devory Darkins (06:04)

• On Leftist Government Response:
  “ICE agents are out because we asked them to be… because the American voter said immigration is a top issue.” — Tim Pool (15:07)

• On AI’s Societal Impact:
  “If people genuinely understood what was happening internationally, we would be in a nuclear war to wipe out these data centers and to destroy anybody who tries to build it.” — Tim Pool (74:13)

• On Generational Cultural Shifts:
  “When chaos is dominant, we're screwed. A little bit of chaos is a good thing because you want to be able to evolve, adapt, expand, grow…” — Tim Pool (22:43)

• Panel Banter:
  “If AI can’t get the fellas out of the friend zone, then it’s not where it needs to be.” — Tate Brown (95:44)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:22 — Minneapolis riot recap, vehicles looted
• 04:43 — Insurrection Act debate, leftist “baiting” theory
• 13:45 — Analysis of local leaders’ rhetoric, federal response
• 20:51 — “Order vs. chaos” and the role of civic turbulence
• 23:50 — Immigration, economics, and the left-right narrative
• 35:32 — Breaking news: Arrest made for stolen FBI rifle
• 36:42 — “Civil war” dynamics and political gamesmanship
• 59:20 — The nature of terrorism and targeting of agent residences
• 73:44 — AI speculation, land grabs, and the future of human labor
• 104:15 — Reflections on friendships and family with age

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Tone & Final Observations

The episode channels the typical unvarnished, conversational, “IRL” spirit, blending news analysis with cultural critique, light sarcasm, and irreverent humor. The hosts and guests vent frustrations with political actors across the spectrum, advocate for strong law enforcement, warn about the dangers of AI and online manipulation, and ultimately circle back to the importance of community, family, and staying grounded in tumultuous times.

Overview:
Hard-hitting and sometimes speculative, the episode showcases how fast-moving unrest (like the Minneapolis riot) now instantly becomes political, legal, and media fodder. It underscores widespread mistrust of institutions, fears of overreach, and a sense that lines between activism, extremism, and terrorism have blurred. The real “insurrection,” the hosts suggest, may now be fought as much in the digital realm—as algorithms, AI, and viral narratives reshape governance and resistance alike.

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Transcript

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[Jesse]

Last night in Minneapolis, rioters took a DHS vehicle and they looted it. They grabbed a bunch of DHS officers information. They exposed it online. They even grabbed a rifle from the lockbox in the back. So we're going to talk about that. Donald Trump is talking about the Insurrection act still and it's starting to look like that might become a reality. So we're going to talk about that. Tim is doing a hit on FOX News shortly so we'll go ahead and grab that. And what else do we got going on? That's about it right now. So we're going to go ahead and throw it over to Devoy. Darkens is our guest tonight. So why don't you go ahead and tell people about yourself.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah. Devora Darkins, political commentator. I pride myself on common sense and a more even kill analysis of what's going on in our country. I love to show both sides and let people make up their own mind.

[Jesse]

Awesome.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Brown]

Let's go. What's up, Patriots Tape Brown, you're holding it down. So good to see Devorah because usually I'm seeing the beginning of your stream because a lot of people in the audience. If you're watching the noon live. This is kind of weird. This is kind of like, like a Marvel crossover. If you're like a solid out millennial, you love the Marvel CR crossovers. You're getting really hype right now seeing this crossover, so I'm usually throwing it to divorce. So. Divorce. I want to apologize for sending so many, like, schizophrenic people into your chat. That's like completely my fault. So I'm, I'm.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, no.

[Devora Darkins]

I'm very grateful.

[Tate Brown]

Let's go.

[Ian Crossland]

You basically your audience rated divorce audience.

[Tate Brown]

We raid. Like, you know, raids like. Oh yeah, you send the link. No, we raid.

[Ian Crossland]

You raid with purpose.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Like, it literally looks like, like a. The hobbit clans that come together. It's kind of like that.

[Jesse]

Tate, I just noticed that, like when you do the tape, Brown holding it down. My kid does the same thing, like whenever I bump his crib, he does this.

[Tate Brown]

He's a good kid.

[Tim Pool]

He's a.

[Jesse]

He's a great kid. All right, so smash the like button. Share the show with your friends. We're going to jump right into it from the Dallas Express. Video captures Minneapolis rioters looting DHS vehicles, exposing agent info online. Agitators in Minneapolis continue to wreak havoc now allegedly breaking into multiple ICE vehicles late Wednesday night, stealing guns, ammunition and sensitive government documents, including arrest warrants and personal information on federal agents. The crimes captured on video and in live streams circulating across social media spotlight the continued destruction from violent rioters against federal law enforcement agents, specifically through the Twin Cities. Video clips posted by Nick Sorter from the scene show groups of agitators vandalizing unmarked cars allegedly belonging to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials, the Department of Homeland Security, and even possibly the FBI. In one act, rioters attached a tow rope to to a weapons locker. Excuse me, in the trunk of the federal car and used a pickup truck to rip it open, stealing a rifle and ammunition. There are a lot of leftists that have gone to private in their ex accounts after this happened. Tate, I'm interested in hearing what your take on this Is, do you think that this is justification for the Insurrection Act?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. I mean, Viva Fry was on the show today on the Noon Live, and he made an interesting point which was, you know, he is obviously also saying, like, yeah, this is the ground. This is grounds for the Insurrection Act. There could be an argument that the left may be goading that sort of reaction out of the Trump administration to. So then they can say, oh, look how authoritarian it is. This sort of justifies this. Maybe this would swing over some weak Republicans into some sort of resolution to maybe try and strip away, I wish Direction act powers from the gop. But the point he made and the point that I was making and we're both in agreement is like, yeah, but this is the grounds for it. So I don't really care what the reaction is going to be. Let's just do it. Let's rip the bandit. Because, like, the stuff we're seeing here, like, where they're literally, like, roping around the case and yanking out of the truck and that sort of. We didn't even see that kind of stuff in 2020. Like, that is next level. Literally raiding an ICE vehicle. Like, that's a very unique thing where they're stealing weapons. Like, it's gta.

[Jesse]

There was actually a dude that. There was actually a dude in, I believe it was in Seattle that grabbed a rifle from police, police officer, car, and a security guy who actually, like, grab the rifle from him. He actually made a YouTube page for himself, called him to the weapon snatcher. But I do think, to your point, it doesn't really matter what the left says. It's time for the government to, you know, for the federal government to move in and make sure that the ICE officials and the DHS officials can do their job.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah. One question I have for the administration is how do you fight against a party who wants to get shot, they want to get arrested, they want to call, they want to cause chaos. And I think, to your point, they're causing chaos because politically it will work for them. It'll motivate their base to show up and vote for them. So even as a Republican Party, how do you fight against that and with.

[Jesse]

Local government officials that are egging them on? Because Tim Walls was talking today how, oh, you know, we need to turn the rhetoric down. But just yesterday or over the weekend, he was saying, you know, we're at war with the federal government.

[Ian Crossland]

I think you really want to establish threat of force, like credible threat of force. Trump sort of in his administration, did that in Iran. You know, They've moved the aircraft carriers, and they're like, we're not going to attack now. They're like, we're going to send in. We're considering the Insurrection Act. Tim Waltz is like, okay, okay, you're right. They broke into federal property and stole federal weapons. Tone it down, people, because that is legit Insurrection act call, so don't do that. So that's promising. Do you think that Trump, being honest, do you think. I think he's like, yeah, Trump can literally do it, and he has justification if you're taking federal weapons.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and also, the DOJ is apparently, according to reporting, sniffing around Tim Waltz right now. So there's also a chance he received a tip, received a note, got slid across his desk, and he said, oh, oh, okay, yeah, okay, maybe guys, stand down a little bit. Cause literally yesterday, to your point, he went out on national television and said something along the lines of. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but he said this part directly. He said, ICE agents are taking away your neighbors of color. So he's basically portraying these ICE agents as if they're some sort of Gestapo.

[Jesse]

And that's a lie.

[Tate Brown]

That's a lie for one. And two, it's like, that's quite literally putting a target on these guys back. And then the next day, all of a sudden, he's like, come to his senses. And he's like, guys, this is gone way too far. Far. It's like, is anybody buying this?

[Ian Crossland]

Sounds like you got a call. That's a good point.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Devora Darkins]

And you said it earlier. Where are the people of color in these protests? Yeah, Literally, I'm not seeing them. Exactly.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Devora Darkins]

But I. I want to say this, too. So the D.C. mayor is like Tim Walls as well. Isn't it interesting? She's not running again. I wonder what happened, because her police chief was caught cooking the numbers on the crime data. So maybe there's some dirt on Tim Walls where he's compromised. Now.

[Jesse]

I. I think that's likely. And to be honest with you, I mean, this is something we talked about a little bit, but I think that it probably spans the whole Democrat Party. I mean, you've got essentially the entire left side of the aisle, whether you're a far leftist or someone that would be considered, you know, fairly, moderately left if there are any of those in the. In the Congress anymore. But they're all covering for illegal immigrants.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Jesse]

They're all, essentially, they're trying to, you know, trying to convince people that illegal immigrants equals people of color, which is not True at all. There are plenty of illegal immigrants from, from white countries. They're illegal immigrants from Europe and, and it doesn't matter. It's not, it's not about, about color at all. But they're trying to make it out like that. And when it comes to all the fraud and stuff that you hear, there's a lot of the, the Democrat politicians that are doing their best to either cover it up, and I think it's because they're trying to cover up their own, their own involvement or at least the fact that they haven't use the, the powers of government to stop it or prevent it. And I think there are some that actually are participating in it.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah, Tate made it because you asked him the question. I think this administration should just go all in, just invoke it, get it over with and just let's see what happens. Because if they do nothing, then what happens? I think they're just going to keep going and innocent people will be hurt in the process as a result.

[Ian Crossland]

If Tim Waltz hadn't said stand down, I would really lean towards that as well. But because of it, I'd like to see what if people actually stand down. Because someone mentioned earlier, I think you may have mentioned before, that they could be baiting them. I mean, a big part of the.

[Jesse]

Revolution, that is the point.

[Ian Crossland]

The Marxist. Yeah. Communist thing is they want the federal government to crack down with a fascist dictatorship so that they can be like, see, we told you. Yeah, community rally, commune, communism, let's. And it's like, come on, dude, just don't take the bait. Well, Walt stood down. It's. It had gone too far last night.

[Jesse]

But hopefully that's in good, that's in good trouble. Like to use the reaction, the reaction of your opponent is the actual target. Like, that's what they're looking to do. That's why they have guys out there dressed up like Pikachu or that's why they have, you know, women with kids out there. They, they have women out in front, in the front of the line. Because what they want is they want to get a picture of you beating up of the police beating up a woman or beating up a dude that's dressed up like, you know, like Pikachu or whatever, because then it makes the government look like they're overreacting and makes them look ridiculous.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and the conservative right wing argument against invoking the Insurrection act as it stands right now is the Insurrection act completely federalizes every sort of form of riot control in the state of Minnesota as soon as you invoke it, the right wing conservative argument is, look, if we can just simply bend these blue state governors arms with just the three letter agencies, that sets the tone much more than the Insurrection act, because the Insurrection act, obviously that's going to sort of disarm them, incapacitate them. But again, if you can manage to twist the arm of Tim Waltz, which we saw today with just using the three letter agencies, there's something to be said about that actually might send even more of a message to these left wing governors going forward. That's, that's the debate raging on Ryan, because, you know, it's really in vogue right now obviously to say, well, insurrection actors just mop this up. But I, I don't think the, and I'm not saying anybody's making this argument, but I don't think the Trump administration are idiots. I think Stephen Miller is actually keenly aware that, hey, if we can manage to just basically set up a trap right here without having to invoke the Insurrection act, that's going to be much more politically expedient going forward than every single time there's a riot, every single time there's a protest. Let's just chuck the Insurrection act and get it over with.

[Jesse]

Yeah, and I mean, to be to your point, like, it does also leave the Insurrection act as a, as a card you can play, right. If you don't have to go full on federalizing everything and you can get, you know, get the local governments to do what you want just by applying pressure, then you can save the Insurrection act for if they don't respond or what have you.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah, it's, it's interesting because then what you're saying in that argument is that conservatives have to trust that the doj, right, is going to get some results. And quite frankly, I don't think we believe that at this.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, I mean it's, it's definitely like the doj. There's a lot of question marks you're seeing, reporting that, you know, Bondi is just not on the same page with, with, with the Trump admin, broadly. But yeah, I mean that argument does make sense because something like as conservatives is we want nothing more, including myself, we want nothing more than to see Marines on the streets. Because I think as a collective we are a bit, you know, this is like a gay word to use, but we're a bit traumatized from 2020. Like that was actually such an egregious, embarrassing moment as a country that we just are paranoid of seeing that ever happen again. Me included. So we just want to see the Marines go in just to send a message, just to get a bit of sort of vindication in a lot of ways. But then that's where the debate is. Okay, what's more politically expedient for the next three years?

[Jesse]

I think that that's. That's one of the reasons, or one of the best arguments for Donald Trump actually using the Insurrection act is to make sure that 2020 is not repeated.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, right.

[Jesse]

But there's a lot of people that are like, I don't want to see that again. I don't want to see, you know, cities being burnt. I don't want to see people out rioting like this, et cetera, et cetera. There's a lot of people that look at Donald Trump and think, well, you know, he's not actually wrong as he talks. And it would take that kind of, you know, that kind of. That kind of order from. From the administration to get people to be like, oh, well, I guess maybe he does have it. Because even I think, you know, I'm like, I'm not sure Donald Trump has it in him to do the stuff that that's necessary to really put this stuff down. And I hope he does if it's necessary, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Ian Crossland]

It seems like with things in Iran, like heat being hot, like, they aren't in Venezuela, Trump doesn't have room to mess around domestically. So if there's a threat of one of our cities going under right now, now is not the time to mess with the federal security force because we need diplomatic unity at home in order to preserve against international forces. A lot of countries will bullshit you and use that reasoning and be like, we must come together to fight the. But this is legit. Potential explosive threats that we can't tender a domestic pop. So. And Waltz knows that.

[Tate Brown]

Well, yeah, you're describing, like, a very real political mechanism, which is every president, every politician has a limited amount of political capital that they can spend. And that's what you need to look at. You need to look at Trump's victories, bank you political power that you can then spend in other places, potentially, like we did in the last time, potentially on issues that are unpopular. And there are some issues that, like, you know, Trump loyalists want to push across the finish line that are unpopular with the majority of Americans. So that's where you spend that political capital. So the question is, if we're really expending political capital on. On Iran, you still need some leftover to then quash these sorts of things. Minneapolis and these sorts of things. And so, yeah, altogether, I mean, I.

[Jesse]

I think that the, the actions. Actually. Tim's on.

[Tate Brown]

That's my boss.

[Jesse]

Let's go. We're going to jump to Tim Pool.

[Ian Crossland]

I think we got to talk over him. That's my job. I get him.

[Tim Pool]

Tim. It seems so. Now, I don't want to say at the highest levels, Democrat politicians want to foment civil war, as I often talk about, but they are beholden to their constituents. So we have a mayor suggesting the police should now be fighting federal agents, which is horrifying, but it's actually quite simple. ICE agents are out on the ground across the country because I asked them to be. Because you asked them to be. Because the American voter said immigration is a top issue for us. We want Republicans in office, we want Donald Trump in office, and we want this problem solved once and for all. So what are we seeing? Violent extremists who oppose our democracy and the will of the people. That video you showed where they put the tow rope and rip out the weapons locker, that's not the only one. There were other vehicles they ransacked. There's a video purported to show a man stealing what appears to be a rifle from a federal vehicle and ammunition, as well as patches, tourniquets, and other objects. This is not a protest. This is not a riot. These are political extremists. And it's overt terror. I'll tell you when it upgrades to terror, when these people are reading the names of the agents on camera, which they did after they ran, unsacked the vehicle, after they leaked their names and apparently went and found their private vehicles. So we're at a whole new level. And Jesse, I used to go on the ground all the time. I covered tons of these protests. I've been personally attacked and assaulted by many of these extremists. I have never seen this level of extremism. I mean, we've seen firebombs, we've seen broken windows. But to ransack federal vehicles and steal their weapons. So let me say this about what happened to Renee Goode. You may have seen the video immediately following the moment where she dies. And it's tragic. I wish she didn't. I wish it didn't happen. But you hear her lover say, why were you using real bullets? There's two different people here. There's two different groups. You've got your political extremists and they radicalize your liberal ICE mom, your run of the mill suburban mom who doesn't really understand what they're being asked to do. And these women, they've gone out to your protest where they wiggled their little flags and their signs and they said this policy is bad. And that policy is bad. This is something different. The extremists are advocating that these middle aged women show up to federal law enforcement operations where armed federal agents are seeking out criminal cartels, murderers, rapists, child traffickers. And they're wondering why these, these ICE agents are apprehensive and armed with lethal munitions. They are not, they're not prepared for this. And, and I fear it will get worse. No, I mean, they're crash test dummies. And I'm not calling them dummies, I'm just saying they're being used like crash test dummies. They're naive, they're untrained, they're just not cut out for this. You've been on the streets and you can see the difference. You look at Minneapolis and then you look at a city like Memphis. So Memphis run by a Democrat mayor in a red state. But they agreed to cooperate. They have backup by the locals. It's not a sanctuary. And they're picking up bad hombres left and right. There's no rebellion and it's done professionally and no one's gotten hurt. And they go after the worst first. Why can't that be the model? Why does it have to come to this type of violence, you know, just to. I don't want to call it a non sequitur, but the Greenland thing, I think, really exemplifies the no matter what Trump does, he is wrong. And that's really what it is. The Democratic politicians are gonna say ICE is wrong to enforce the law. They're wrong to stop these narco gangs, these rapists, these criminals and general illegal immigrants. And when you see how Trump is simply negotiating for Greenland and they tell him he's wrong on that one too, I throw my hands up. We voted for immigration operations. And your point is astute. In areas where there's agreements and they cooperate, it's clean, safe, and the job is done. But in these particular areas, what do we get? A judge aiding and abetting a man who beat his wife to helping him escape and getting convicted for it. We can't function this way. No, I mean, the country cannot function if you have little carve outs of chaos in major cities and states where agents can't go in and enforce federal law. That's what I mean. That's when the country collapses. And hopefully it doesn't come to that, that I disagree with. Tim Pool, great to see you as always. Insightful analysis.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you, Jesse. And that is something I'd like to talk to Jesse about, particularly. I think little bouts of chaos are part of what make America good great. Being able to overthrow tyranny, having local government disagreeing with the overlord. So it's a debate to be had. But stealing federal weapons is Insurrection act territory.

[Jesse]

I think if you're looking to actually have a policy that was voted on by the American people, that is very popular. I mean, when Trump was elected, it was something like 75% of Americans said, yeah, we want to get rid of illegal aliens. Now, granted, as the, the policy is implemented and it gets kinetic, then people get a little, you know, they get a little weak in the knees and stuff like that. And I understand that's going to happen, but when it comes to the actual idea of getting people that are here legally out, that's incredibly popular. And I don't think that. And considering the fact that it can be done peacefully, like Jesse was saying, you know, Memphis, it's, you know, there's. You're not getting people riding, you're not getting all of this stuff because you don't have politicians egging them on. I, I do blame the Democrats in office for the vast majority of this, of this. The violence and chaos that we see. And it's not necessary. It could be a policy that just, you know, that, that is done smoothly and cleanly. Oh, were you.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah, no, I was just going to say I don't think they want to solve the problem.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's clear.

[Devora Darkins]

Secondly is San Francisco, dc, Memphis, New Orleans, no drama. They all collaborate it, which shows that it works. Three to what Tim Pool was saying, which is essentially these people are. They're off the reservation. They're far gone. So these are people that have to be dealt with differently than what we normally would do. And here's the other thing. Where is the police department?

[Jesse]

Well, they're, they're standing down intentionally.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Jesse]

You know, they don't want to get involved because again, I think that the Democrat politicians want the chaos. I think that they think that, or at least at. For a time, they were thinking, this is good for me, you know, to see these, the, to see people get injured and stuff. It's good for the Democrats. Yeah, you know, they, they want to see the chaos.

[Ian Crossland]

What the. You say it's like, it can be peaceful, like in Nashville, for instance, but for them it's like taking your enemy's food supply is like.

[Tim Pool]

They call it nonviolent.

[Ian Crossland]

The CIA describes it as nonviolent because there's no kinetic action. But we all know that taking a community's food supply would be considered violent in the scheme of things. So removing people that live there, that might be there illegally but have become part of the community emotionally, they see it as, like, removing the food supply. So they. It's not really vi. You know, it's kind of how you.

[Tim Pool]

That's right, Ian. And I've been sitting here the whole time.

[Tate Brown]

Are you the guy from Fox News?

[Tim Pool]

I am.

[Jesse]

Don't get wishy washy on us when we're starting to. When we're trying to enforce the law.

[Ian Crossland]

Ian, we were talking. Jesse at the end there said that chaos is not tolerable. I thought that, you know, bouts of chaos is kind of what makes America great. Being able to resist the overlord, the Fed, whatever. Not that this is necessarily. The debate on whether this is right or wrong is almost like tertiary to the debate, just the understanding that it's. Local government supersedes.

[Tim Pool]

When chaos is dominant, we're screwed. A little bit of cast is a good thing because you want to be able to evolve, Adapt, expand, grow, etc. If you're. If you're too rigid, you shatter. You got to have a little flexibility, otherwise you snap. You know what I'm saying?

[Tate Brown]

I've always made this point, like, in regards with. With European cities, okay? As right wingers, as conservatives, like, we inherently believe in hierarchy. We inherently believe in order. We believe these things are ordained by God. But when, like in Europe, for example, where there's zero sense of, like, an underworld whatsoever, these cities actually just turn into museums, and it, like, completely eviscerates any sort of life that's in these cities. So I actually, I'll steal man Ian's argument here, because if you look at, like, Prague or Budapest, like, these cities for young people are actually quite miserable. These are very old cities. So I do agree that to it to a degree, you obviously can't endorse it as the government, you can't promote it. But just a bit of room for things actually goes a long way for young people, because that's what creates innovation, that what creates culture and these sorts.

[Devora Darkins]

Of things, it just can't come at the sacrifice of order.

[Tate Brown]

Exactly.

[Devora Darkins]

Which is exactly what's taking place. And the other thing too is we're dealing with people who don't even support the idea that someone who's been in the country unlawfully for 30 years should not be deported.

[Tate Brown]

Right. It's like they're emphasizing disorder in the most pernicious ways. Whether it's in sexuality, whether it's in, like, you know, civilizational questions like immigration. What does it mean to be an American? That's where they promote the dysfunction. It's not even just disorder. It's dysfunction. It's dysgenic. It's really just a horrific thing.

[Devora Darkins]

How about just going back to the whole people of color thing? Just if you think of economics and our financial freedom, as people like to say, how could that even be a reality if they keep funding illegal immigration? I don't understand that. So these people, they're going into the streets, they're protesting, saying that things are too expensive. You know, all this other stuff. Well, what do you think's happening with all of your resources? Yeah, they've been going to illegal immigration.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they can't put two and two together. And then when we say this, like, hey, maybe you can't afford houses because the market is oversaturated with people who are needing houses and in order. See, they don't understand supply and demand because they're communists. So when it's like, Let me. Let me just. If there's any communists out there who are. Who are concerned about why there are homeless people, let's start with when there's too many people and not enough homes, the people who own the homes get to dictate the prices. And they say, listen, I got people banging my door down saying they'll take my house. I'm gonna take the best offer. When you have no people and there's a bunch of empty houses, they're gonna sell them for what they can sell them for. So when you keep inviting in more and more and more people, your prices, they're going to go up. Not to mention the very simple reality of at a certain point, people walking on the ground break the ground, and then we have to fix it.

[Ian Crossland]

This is what I'm talking about. I'd love to make that point. Supply and demand functions, but that's not a closed system. Outside the people that can't participate in that supply and demand system, which is like house buying, they're so poor they become highway robbers. They do things to that system of the supply and demand system. So people that are here completely unable to think about housing, they will put pressure on that supply, demand, trade system with whatever, you know, blatantly riots in the streets. But, like, it could be lots of different ways.

[Jesse]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

Was additionally just Roads don't last forever. Buildings don't last forever. Maintenance is a requirement for all of our infrastructure. And if you're inviting in more and more people to tunes of tens of millions, eventually a bridge collapses and we have to fix it. So over time, a bridge is going to face just general environmental wear and tear and you know, degradation and you got to fix it. But you add millions of people walking back and forth across it, it breaks down faster. That's going to cost everybody money and that's going to come from the public coffers. But these communists, you know the best, the best example of how insane these socialists and communist stars that meme where it was like someone said, what are you going to do when, when communism wins? And they said, I'm going to teach art and poetry on my farm. To which someone responded, your farm. But while that is a funny joke, it also exemplifies what they think will happen. They think that communism will come in and then they don't to work ever again. That's really what they think. Yeah, yeah. That's not ever going to be the case.

[Tate Brown]

They're going to like sit around doing like acrylic art all day. It's like, bro, get to the mines. Get your pickaxe head on down to the min Bright rocks.

[Jesse]

Yeah, yeah, they call themselves, they'll call themselves Marxist Leninists, but then they'll go ahead and forget that. Lenin said if you don't work, you don't eat.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, literally. Yeah, literally.

[Ian Crossland]

If you hooked your body up and they let you, let them harvest your heat, then you could be techno communist. But they need something from you. They're going to extract some sort of something out of you.

[Jesse]

Modern communists love to say things like fully automated luxury communism. Because they believe that, like, with super productivity that's going to come with AI and with robotics, that everybody will have everything they want. And look, if that is of the future, like, where you can actually be super productive and, and there's nobody, you know, anything you want, you can have, which I don't think is actually going to happen, but if that were the case, fine, then maybe you. You can, you can make the argument.

[Tim Pool]

And I think, I think we. We need a new word to describe this, because communist. It's like you can say neo communist because it is a different function. It's different to the general ideology we knew in the early 1900s, largely because you're looking at a. An industrializing society, and they're approaching this, this concept of labor from a we can do a lot more work, but we still work. Now you're looking at the AI revolution and there's going to be people who cannot work. Of course, many of these people are not advocating for ubi, which that won't work either. Even David Sachs said this, and he's the AI Czar. He's like, no, UBI is not going to happen. So I'll just say this. You know, every day I track the. What's going on with AI developments. And it is. The development is so massively exponential, this show probably won't exist. Won't be able to exist. One thing that we're seeing right now, and you're wondering why. Let me tell you why first. Already. Already right now, if I wanted to, I could take probably 50 episodes of Tim cast IRL, load it into an AI and tell it, isolate Tim Pool and clone him. I'm literally. Right now, you can do this. It'll probably take you half a day to upload all the videos, and then it'll take maybe a day to render the clone. It takes about an hour or two. And then you can tell ChatGPT, write a script in the. In the style of Tim Pool about today's news, and it'll do it, and you don't need me anymore. It'll just. It'll do it. The only real problem is that all the AI is woke. So they're going to tell fake news, but they'll just do it in my voice. It'll be creepy. Here's what's happening right now on YouTube. There are hundreds, if not thousands of channels. This is crazy. I'm gonna tell you guys how to become millionaires right now. Get your bag before it's too late. No, Joke. No joke. They. What they'll do is they'll write a script that automatically will plug into Chat GPT and say, Write a 30 minute long script based on today's news. Start with the punchiest sensational story. Then it'll. It'll load that script into a AI avatar video generator, and it will tell the AI have a person, an attractive male or female, read this script over the period of a half an hour. And what they do is they upload 70 to 100 of these videos per day, seriously psychotic amounts of videos. And they get 500 to 800 views. And you might be saying, well, what's that gonna get you? Well, when you do a hundred of them, you're making 150k per month. And here's the thing, people won't come back to watch those videos, but it won't matter because the videos change, the style changes and it's going to eventually get recommended to somebody and they're going to click it. And if a couple hundred. Click your couple hundred videos per day, you are making bank.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm pretty sure I've been recommended that stuff. I'm pretty sure. Like AI history documentaries. It's pretty obvious it's AI or that there's news.

[Tim Pool]

I got recommended this video on news and I saw, you know, it was like 45 minutes long and I'm like, who's this? And it's a fake person. And it's getting crazier and crazier. Here's the other thing, here's the other thing, here's the other thing. What if I just recorded this video, uploaded it and then had it choose a sexy woman instead of me and then you get all the thirst clicks because I'm just gonna stress you guys, we a b tested yesterday's thumbnail with Aaron Wexler and the boobs did 3% better. 3%.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it still testing?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, actually I can check right now and see where it's at.

[Ian Crossland]

It was 5148.

[Tim Pool]

3% is actually massive. Oh, it looks like. Did the boobs lose?

[Ian Crossland]

People come to their senses?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it just decided not to.

[Ian Crossland]

Everybody sucked on a boob at some point.

[Tim Pool]

If they rest your 3.2%.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah, that's not the normal way boobs would be marketed. I mean, virtually. They would be wide open.

[Tim Pool]

My point is like, we're making a big mistake with Tate. We're making a big mistake. We got a great opportunity with him. He should pre record the shot.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Using AI I can take the noon live show and then we're uploading it at 4pm onto YouTube. Like, hey, watch this black show. What we do is you upload the video to an AI and then you can take any photograph. And so the way these programs work is you upload the video, then you upload a photo, and it will use the photo as a reference for the room and the person. So we can swap Tate out with some busty young woman talking about the news and get way more money.

[Ian Crossland]

Can you? What do we do? Test the video itself or suggest the thumbnail?

[Tim Pool]

Just. Just a thumbnail on the title.

[Tate Brown]

Okay. Yeah, I think we'd work.

[Tim Pool]

And yeah. And I just. I just think we're cooked. You could a b.

[Ian Crossland]

Test the thumbnail with an AI Chick instead of Tate and it might get a lot more clicks and then it.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely will get clicks. I'm just. That's just a reality.

[Ian Crossland]

And like, oh, welcome to the future. You know, wait till the other guy does it or. And check out the hottest, flashiest.

[Tim Pool]

They're already doing it. They're already doing it. But there are already guys that have gaming. Gaming content and viral videos on Instagram where you'll see a woman with like a low cut top and it's actually a guy records a video and then renders it as a woman to upload it.

[Devora Darkins]

We were just.

[Tim Pool]

That's the future, bro.

[Ian Crossland]

What we should do is tomorrow for the noon show, the goon show, rather ab test hot chick in the thumbnail and Tate. You can't. Why not?

[Tim Pool]

If you put up a thumbnail that is not representative of the video, it'll get removed.

[Ian Crossland]

We're talking about now. We're prepping people. I see. I'm not going to push it.

[Tim Pool]

You wondering? You'll get a strike. It'll get taken.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

You are not allowed to make thumbnails. They do.

[Jesse]

They do like weird, like provocative.

[Tim Pool]

One thing to make a thumbnail where Tate's looking at a hot woman shocked, and she's not in the video. That could get you in trouble. Still.

[Ian Crossland]

What if it's Tate with breasts, like.

[Tim Pool]

Covered, but cleavage with like a dude face with boobs.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Guys that are modest is hottest.

[Tim Pool]

You know, so.

[Devora Darkins]

Or you play what, 10 seconds of a skit AI as soon as the video starts, Right. Make sure the thumbnail matches what's in the video.

[Tate Brown]

Well, we are. We are filming across the pond tomorrow maybe because accents are kind of sexy, right? So maybe if we like somehow trans Connor for the show, then that can we really bolster the show.

[Tim Pool]

You know, they have those filters. Can we put a filter on Connor so that he's just like a scantily clad young British woman, I think.

[Tate Brown]

And he probably, you know, knowing him, he'd probably be down for that. He's a very open minded guy.

[Tim Pool]

He seemed like I always wanted to be a young woman. So it works.

[Tate Brown]

That's a really good imitation.

[Tim Pool]

Is it? I don't know. I was just doing a general British imitation.

[Tate Brown]

It was kind of crazy.

[Tim Pool]

I just imagine that you do the under button. It talks like this. Well, I'm from London, so I'm smarter than you.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's how, that's how I tune in.

[Tate Brown]

To across the pond. It's basically.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's jump to this. We got big news. The guy who stole the FBI weapons from the safe inside the federal vehicle has been arrested. We've got this. Can you. We got this. Oh, look at that. Looks like his arrest details. Let's, let's play the video.

[Tate Brown]

Oh my God.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my.

[Jesse]

With a tattoo like that, he stole something.

[Tate Brown]

A guy with the most tattoo in history. Let me commit a better man crime.

[Tim Pool]

We got him, boys.

[Devora Darkins]

You know that was in there is how they booked him in. Was he white, non, Latino? Yeah, Hispanic.

[Tate Brown]

So true. Yeah. Well, this guy, dude, I'm sorry, if you have like a face tattoo like that, you got to give crime arrest. You know, like if, if you, if you're clean, you know, clean cut kind of guy, I could understand maybe participating in crime. I, I just imagine like a Mike Tyson tattoo. Like, what are we doing?

[Tim Pool]

They found that guy so fast.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. So my take on this and probably this, the conversation of the night is the Insurrection act earlier. Take Tim. I'm not sure if you were here if you heard, but it's Tim Waltz basically came out was like, you're right, it's too far. Trump has a legitimate claim on issuing an insurrection act with people thieving and stealing federal weaponry. So Walt is like cool.

[Tim Pool]

He said, because they're stealing federal weapons.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not sure what. But Waltz came out around 11am I heard and was like, tone it down. Everybody.

[Jesse]

They.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He didn't say anything that specific. No, he said, you need to stop.

[Devora Darkins]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Because it's gone too far. So tone it down, Trump. It's your fault. Screw it. I'm kidding. But he just said, tone it down. It's gone too far. Trump, pull it back.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm like, bro, yo, did you see Mayor, Mayor Fry Frey, whatever his name is. Be like, we've got people saying the cops need to now Fight. Fight. Ice.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Trump needs to turn down. No, no, I voted for this. Trump got to tone it up, get out there and take care of these extremists. Imagine Tim Waltz, he's like, now that we have all these people trying to murder people and stealing federal weapons. Trump, stop. And I'm like, no, you stop.

[Ian Crossland]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Federal law enforcement doing their jobs and arresting criminals, and you're saying, we don't want criminals and cops fighting, so everyone should just go about their business.

[Tate Brown]

It's kind of one of those things. Like in 2020, you know, everyone was like, if that cashier would have just taken the fake $20bill and none of this would have ever happened. It's kind of the same thing is like, if they would have just. If they would have just spelled learning correctly, none of this would have happened, bro.

[Tim Pool]

See, this is why. This is why I'm saying, like, we need to get a camera crew so we can do these bits. Because then it's like Tate goes back in time and then he walks in before George Floyd and he goes, I think that guy's got a counterfeit bill. And then he walks out. We need to do. He whispers in. He comes out of the shadows and whispers in the other clerk. Don't take the bill.

[Ian Crossland]

Don't be a hero.

[Tim Pool]

We need to. Don't take the bill. He made the George Floyd thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Four to six cameramen and about 12 editors. If you guys want to join us in Florida, come join us because we are creating the most bomb ass fucking entertainment industry right now. I'm serious. If you're interested, hit me up on Twitter. Send me videos. Send me something you've made. We are legit making a powerhouse entertainment industry. So let's rock and roll. Stuff like that is genius.

[Tate Brown]

So true.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah. Kind of going back to what you.

[Tim Pool]

Were saying about going back in time to get the George Floyd race down.

[Devora Darkins]

Could be. But I don't think you. You saw it. The framing right now is very clear. It's. Hey, guys, we're going a little too far, but we're going too far because it's Trump's fault. Yeah. It's what he wants us to do. What I really mean to say is I want you to go this far because like you were saying, it might be an actual bait.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Literally, like, this is what everyone like the initial thing that started the. Let's just say the Renee Good, if she just ran over that officer, they would be the same people that celebrated Charlie Kirk's death. So it's like they would be celebrating this. The only way you get these people to stop, the only way you, like, end this again, is just sending a message to Minneapolis. Like, it's very simple. There's no negotiating with these people. There's no debating. There's no, like, maybe if we sweeten the deal or maybe make a different offer. Tim Waltz is just trying to get Trump to back down with ICE because he is not going to be. His victory condition is ICE completely withdrawing from the city in entirety. We can't do that. There's been a mandate given to the Trump administration again with Nick Shirley's video. Now it's on everyone's desks. They woke up and everyone saw the video. Left, right, center, whatever. The Trump administration is not going to back down. Tim Waltz is evidently not going to back down.

[Jesse]

So he's also got all the cards right. Like, the feds are really in the position of where they, they've got all the cards. There's nothing that Tim Waltz or anyone in Minnesota can do.

[Tate Brown]

That's part of the reason that Tim Waltz actually dropped out of the race is to at least give him sort of. He doesn't have to worry about reelection now. He can literally do whatever he wants because he has this. You have to remember, Tim Waltz got beat by Trump in an election. He lost out on the vice presidency. This dude has a chip on his shoulder like no other. That's part of the reason he dropped out, is because he wants to try and settle this score at the Trump administration. He knows if he doesn't have to worry about reelection, he can pull whatever he wants.

[Devora Darkins]

I don't know.

[Jesse]

I think I kind of feel like you have to have a decent amount of testosterone to have when it's time.

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[Jesse]

Chip on your shoulder. And I just don't know.

[Tate Brown]

People with low tests are like, extreme. They have low impulse control and they're extremely emotional. So it's actually the opposite. He's like PMSing right now.

[Devora Darkins]

I just want to be clear about something. Are you saying that if an illegal alien killed Renee Good. There wouldn't be any riots, There'd be.

[Tim Pool]

No rights at all. It wouldn't even make no no, actually, I'm sorry. No. There would be riots.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

To get the illegal immigrant out of jail. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Literally. There we go.

[Tim Pool]

They'd be like, why are you abusing this poor man of color?

[Tate Brown]

They'd be like, renee Good was a right wing extremist.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Think about it.

[Tim Pool]

They would. They'd say it was a white, privileged white woman who was trying to hit a poor and defenseless brown person. There's already videos of like a middle aged liberal woman being like, I don't know how I should feel about this because she was white.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You see that video?

[Devora Darkins]

Oh, yeah. She pulled over because she wanted to see what was going on. Okay, so you're just gonna wing it, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I love how it was like he suffered internal bleeding. And then they go, so you mean bruising? And I'm like, so you. You agree he got hit?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's just so stupid. Yeah. These people are. It's a. It's a derangement.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

It's part of the reason. It makes it so frustrating that we lost to them for so long because they're just so incompetent. It really demonstrates how incompetent zombies.

[Tim Pool]

Zombies are slow, stupid, but they have sheer numbers.

[Tate Brown]

But they only had half the country. We have the other half. And then like half the country's too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Listen, our leadership is so atrocious.

[Ian Crossland]

False to Obama. They.

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever seen a zombie movie where the protagonists are going around biting the zombies? No, of course not. In all of these movies, the protagonists are like, we need to run and hide from them. They're stupid and easily outsmarted or outwitted. And yet the point is that in the mind. And I'm not suggesting life is a zombie movie. I'm saying the way we perceive threats of quantity is we run and hide. That's the relatable experience. So you have these. These liberals who are completely ignorant to what's going on, marching behind psychopath extremists. And we all run and hide.

[Ian Crossland]

Until about 2020. Then Covid was like, too much and we made this show. Is nice way to not run and hide anymore.

[Jesse]

No, because there was the. It's more than just 2020, though. Because he's talking about, like, this is a 60 year.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

I mean, and a lot of it, I think, is. Is because people want to. There's too many people that want to vote for the nice thing.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Jesse]

They want to vote for the thing. That sounds nice. That sounds like, oh, we're going to be the nice country and etcetera And I don't think that that actually means you're going to get good policy, Tim.

[Tate Brown]

We should just, we should give these zombies pocketbook constitutions. I think what it is, is they're, they're not, they're not, they haven't been, you know, properly matriculated into the, the glory of free market economics and like classical liberalism. That's what they need is they should be steeped in the literature and, and then they'll totally change.

[Tim Pool]

I like that. Ironically, that would work. If you are a leftist rioter and you get arrested by ice, they just jam the neural link into the back of your head by force. And then all of a sudden the, the leftist stands up and goes, suddenly it just plays. I understand it all. Rothbard is in my mind 5 in.

[Jesse]

Their brain or Rocky 4 in their brain for like hours and hours until they're starting, till they're like downloaded stripe.

[Tim Pool]

Like they're screaming and smashing things. And the cops like do it quick. And he hits the John lock button and the antifa guy goes, I understand everything now. I'm going to stop attacking people.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, supply and demand.

[Ian Crossland]

What?

[Tim Pool]

I don't want to stress the invisible hand. It's got me.

[Devora Darkins]

I just, I just think it's fascinating that we have more empathy for her being killed than they would have empathy for if the ICE agent was actually run over.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I do think it's fair to say that the way that the left has approached the Charlie Kirk thing is that the higher profile individuals at the highest level, the Democrats said, it's sad, our prayers are with the family. Then the mid tier people said, yeah, well he was a bad guy and this is what happens. And then the lower tier, you know, leftist extremists all dance and celebrated. We do see something comparable with the killing of Renee Good. I see it all over Instagram, sort of no name accounts, making memes, mocking her, dying, laughing about it, insulting her. Then you get the mid tier personalities like us saying, well, she accelerated towards an officer. I mean, it's sad that she died. At the highest level. You have politicians saying, we're very sad this happened. Trump even saying, I understand there's two ways. You can see, you can see it now. The difference is not factual, factually correct or factually incorrect. The difference is moral worldview. So for us, we're like, she was engaged in felony obstruction and this is a law enforcement operation, not crowd control work. This is where the conflict arises. Charlie Kirk was speaking. That's it. So you can't compare the Two, while in their worldview, their moral structure is you're allowed to obstruct law enforcement because it's for the greater good of what we determine. And Charlie Kirk was spreading hate. Now we of course, look at that and go, that's insane. We can't agree with that. But it's. It's the light and it's the dark. Right? They live in their moral worldview, which we think is psychotic, and we live in ours.

[Devora Darkins]

Isn't it interesting how silent they are about Keith Porter Jr. Did you guys hear about that?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we're silent about it too, I guess.

[Devora Darkins]

New Year's Eve. He's a black guy, lives in an apartment complex with an ICE agent. He goes outside to celebrate, shoots his rifle in the air.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Devora Darkins]

Bullets in the air. The ICE agent comes out, confronts them, says, hey, I'm an ICE agent. Stop doing that. I guess he didn't comply. And then according to lapd, and I say that carefully, according to lapd, not my opinion, they say that he shot at the ICE agent three times, and then the ICE agent shot him and killed him in self defense.

[Tim Pool]

And so which guy was it?

[Devora Darkins]

Which guy?

[Tim Pool]

What, you named a guy, but there's two people here.

[Devora Darkins]

So. So the. The black guy, his name was Keith Porter Jr. And he died and he died.

[Tim Pool]

And they don't care.

[Devora Darkins]

That's why it just doesn't make any sense. You would think they would have said something about that story. It's interesting. Nobody has heard of it, right?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Last year, I think the estimate is either four to six. Four to six people were killed by ICE. By ICE agents. I think there was like 14 or 15 ICE involved shootings or someone was hit. So it's like now is the moment where they're seizing on it with, oh, you wonder how clean those shots were, because this is like clearly self defense. Like how egregious were those. That would be just mortifying for the left.

[Jesse]

Hey, Ben Crump is on the scene with the. Keith Porter.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying is.

[Tim Pool]

Let me.

[Devora Darkins]

They're silent about that. Go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

I want to pull up this clip. This is the. The mayor saying he. That residents want cops to fight ICE agents. Now, I do want to stress, I believe this is an edited and fake video, but the quote is real. But I can tell you for certain.

[Tate Brown]

Is that this is not sustainable.

[Tim Pool]

This is an impossible situation that our city is presently being put in. And at the same time, we are trying to find a way forward to keep people safe, to protect Our neighbors to maintain order. And we're in a position right now where we have residents that are asking the very limited number of police officers.

[Tate Brown]

That we have to fight ICE agents.

[Tim Pool]

On the street to stand by their neighbors.

[Jesse]

We cannot be at a place right.

[Tim Pool]

Now in America where we have two.

[Jesse]

Governmental entities that are literally fighting one another.

[Tim Pool]

No, maybe I'm wrong. I thought it was edited. I think that's actually the correct video. Sorry, edited that at the end where the cops like, whoa, yeah, the mayor is coming out and saying residents want the cops to fight the feds. So civil war, Civil war, anybody?

[Jesse]

No, because we're able to talk about.

[Ian Crossland]

It and expose it. I think it's not going to bubble up like it has in the past, like slowly bleeding Kansas, 12 years of it, without any kind of like really federal crackdown or intervention. This is like, we see the problem pretty quick now.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, you're a frog in a pot.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but I see the pot. I have technology like ladders and like, I'm, I'm way more aware three years.

[Tim Pool]

Ago on this show. If three years ago on this show I would have explained to you that we were facing the real risk of local law enforcement trying to fight the federal government and, and, and saying their cops should. And then you, you'd have one of these leftists shot and killed by a federal agent. You'd have said it's not possible.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I don't know if I've said that. Yeah, you know, pretty open minded.

[Tim Pool]

You would have said exactly the same thing. You're saying right now that the escalation is likely not going to happen.

[Ian Crossland]

If you say like 100 people are going to get killed by ICE next year. I'm not going to, to say it's impossible.

[Tim Pool]

You want to know how I know?

[Ian Crossland]

500 people or a thousand people.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't even say I'm calling you frog in a pot because you've said this to us 12 times over the past four or five years.

[Jesse]

What exactly.

[Tim Pool]

I'm, I'm maybe when, when we discuss like there's no off ramp, the escalation is coming. Your position is always no. This time I think otherwise it's a new situation.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not, you know, it's not written in stone.

[Tim Pool]

It's always a new situation.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a lot about people are determining how they feel about these things in real time. And so being able to report on it like as it's happening is really influencing what is gonna happen tomorrow.

[Tim Pool]

Could you just imagine, I love the time travel test going back 10 years and saying 10 years from now, Donald Trump will be in a second non consecutive term where he will be deploying thousands of federal agents and the National Guard to various cities to arrest an estimated 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants. In the process, he'll discover child slaves working on drug farms. People will get shot, agents will get shot at, rammed, dragged, assassinated. There will be terror attacks with rifles shooting at ICE facilities. Then in one incident, a middle aged woman will obstruct federal law enforcement and in her attempt to escape, strike an officer who shoots and kills her. You like, Guys, we already know because we've done the time travel experiment 75 times or more on this show going back several years, and every time we bring it up, the next step seems equally more absurd. So I always preface it by saying maybe this will be the time where people say, whoa, we've gone way too far. It's time to tone everything down, boys. We can't have this. But again, 10 years ago, what I just laid out, you'd get locked up in the loony bin. And that's not even the half of it. Throw in J6. Throw in the Summer of Love riots. Throw in Bunker Boy. The, the, the, the insurrection in front of the White House. The, the torching of St. John's Church. Throw, throw in Global Likeness. People are going to be like, you're a lunatic and you need medication. So again, if we went back two or three years, because I can. And I said, guys, it's going to get worse. Let me put it like this. A year and three months ago, what did I say on this show?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, 2024 election.

[Tim Pool]

2024 election.

[Ian Crossland]

Good show.

[Tim Pool]

Sitting in the daily Wire studios. I said, Trump, after he wins, I said, if he wins, and then after he, after he won, he is going to send out immigration enforcement and the Democrats. And I said, it's gotta be done properly because the Democrats are gonna take every photo and every video and claim it's the Nazis all over again. And they're rounding up innocent people and they're killing innocent people and they're gonna claim it's just like the Holocaust. And what are we watching happen right now? Literally, that they're trying.

[Ian Crossland]

I think we called it out. I called it out at the Iowa caucus. We had Vivek on the show that episode. Episode. I knew that was going to be a tactic, trying to diffuse it ahead of time. It's like calling someone, being like, hey, get ready to be hoodwinked. You're like immunizing your friends and Family with fake news. You're like, get ready for the information.

[Tim Pool]

Vaccination.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they're doing it. And like, in the late 60s, it was a lot of, of radical street violence too. So. But we've got the immunization technology capability.

[Jesse]

In the late 60s, word didn't travel the way that the word travels now. If you had a thousand bombings or 2000 bombings in a year, like we did in the early 70s, like, people would be off the chain because everybody would know about every one of them. Whereas back in, you know, 40 years ago, 40, 50 years ago, 55 years ago, now, like, people just, like, there were tons of people that had no idea the stuff was going on. They just didn't read the news. They didn't watch abc, abc, NBC, or cbs, and they just went about their lives. There was. Everybody was out touching grass. So unless they were actively on, like, college campuses or watch the news really closely, they didn't really know if you did that. If that stuff happened today, like, people would be out in this. I mean, I think that the, the Internet would actually kind of compound the issues because there would be people out in the street being like, okay, it's on, it's time, you know, because you would. I mean, dude, if you found out right tomorrow or at the end of the week, you were like, you found out that there were 16 bombings in two days in the United States, we'd be like, okay, well, then civil war is actually here now.

[Ian Crossland]

Absolutely, yeah. If it would be. The thing is, with the Internet, I don't think it will get to that because the. We're already talking about the Insurrection Act. With one riot in Minneapolis in the 60s, it would have been Minneapolis and 10 more cities would have been erupting. People would have been bombing the thing that now it's like, one cute thing is such a big deal with the Internet that even the federal government's like, okay, now we know what to nip in the bud. It's a different.

[Jesse]

So you're saying the, the circumstance wouldn't actually develop now because of it. But what I'm saying is, what if it did?

[Ian Crossland]

There'd be acute clampdown. You think that it would.

[Jesse]

That the government would just come in with the jackboots? Yeah, I mean, I, I think that this is something that I've said. I think that because the conservatives ostensibly control the government or at least control most of the executive branch, I think that if there's going to be some kind of kinetic action, it should be now, because the, the Democrats are. Shouldn't be in, in that position. Like in that position.

[Devora Darkins]

Can I just say this? Just imagine if what social media is today. It was when Obama was the president. Just imagine that. Yeah. The amount of bombs he dropped. Seven American citizens killed under his watch because of drones and the deportations. Family, you know, children, kids, all this stuff. And then the other thing this freaking mayor was saying about little to none.

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[Devora Darkins]

O-O-O.com and police officers. Well, why do you guys have a small police force? Oh, yeah, that's right. You defunded the police force we're at in Minneapolis. Yeah. So, yeah, I think Obama got off scot free if you ask me. I think a lot of this is being driven by the social media algorithms. Of course it wants us enraged, angry, things like that. But I'm with you. I think this administration just needs to go all the way.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, baby.

[Tate Brown]

You talked about the 60s. I mean, it was invoked three times in the 60s.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, what, what, what situations?

[Tate Brown]

It was University of Mississippi, University of Alabama, and I think it was Arkansas. The forced school integration. So it was three things related to the Civil Rights Act. But that's where most of the bombings are occurring, was because of the civil rights.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's more than just Minnesota. I think he's got to invoke the Insurrection act for general immigration activities because we're seeing in numerous blue states, they're trying to create laws that obstruct. It's like Jersey just did this. They passed this law. The governor hasn't signed it yet. That basically says they can't operate in our jails. We can't cooperate with them and they put some restrictions on them. Trump needs to say, okay, this is active rebellion against the federal government. The federal government is wholly responsible for immigration enforcement. This is why when Texas was dealing with mass migration, they were not constitutionally allowed to turn people back. So you have this double, double edged sword where Texas says, we'll take care of it in our state and Biden's administration says, no, we won't let you. Then when Trump gets elected because people are like, we want the problem solved, the blue states say, we're not going to listen. The only option then is I'm going to say it again. When the states under a Democrat administration say, we want to deport the people coming into our states illegally, Biden says, no, you can't. And they even cut the concertina wire to allow them to come in. Trump gets in and tries to actually enforce this, and blue states are obstructing. We voted for it. Trump, Trump Insurrection Act. Send the National Guard and the feds and start arresting these people. I see these videos, saw that TikTok of the woman who lives in Minneapolis. She's like, we love it. We're so happy. Okay, I'm not going to listen to a bunch of white liberal women who feign offense on behalf of other people, okay? They don't really care. They're lying. I am protecting my community. No, you're not. You saw a meme and you made a dumb video and you're putting yourself at risk because you're dumb.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they're making loud noises to be seen to be relevant because they need some reason to be. If they hadn't arrested the guy that stole the federal weapons, I would agree, send in the jackboots. But, like, if you're not gonna protect our federal weaponry, someone the federal government.

[Jesse]

Has to do it.

[Tim Pool]

But they went to their homes. Do we know why? They were on that residential street ransacking the vehicles on the block. It looked like they just went to an address they got and ransacked the vehicles. They find. Okay, you got to explain, they find several parked vehicles, smash them all open and find a bunch of weapon. Two weapons. Like the weapons lockers?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, Patches, essentially.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it looks to me like, and I don't know this is true, with the doxing of these agents, they went. They were going to private residences and just smashing up the vehicles they thought were feds.

[Ian Crossland]

A residential street. That's terrorism, in my opinion. Obviously. Doesn't even matter if you know the people in the house. That's terrorism of Some sort. I mean terrorism is generic and I don't want to start overusing it. You know, 20 years ago it wasn't a real big thing.

[Tim Pool]

It wasn't supposed.

[Ian Crossland]

It's just generic, the term terrorism. George Bush started making it a thing after nine, 11 before that.

[Tim Pool]

We are using the word to define a specific thing.

[Ian Crossland]

This I think is a literal. It's just, I don't know if you want to hit with terrorism charges Anyway. This guy. Yeah, 20 years.

[Tim Pool]

He just stole a rifle from the Fed.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, keep your eyes on him for 20 years.

[Tim Pool]

We're talking about. We are, we are opening the door to political extremists stealing rifles. Well, as, as a Black Panther says, get bigger guns and he says he's going to put a hole in their chest. I'm sorry, just in they chest.

[Devora Darkins]

But ask why they want to do it because they want to change policy, which is in the definition of terrorism.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and that's, that's the meanings and that's the etymology of terrorism. It comes from the French Revolution, during the revolution's reign of terror. That's where like the definition came from. It's an inherent. Terrorism is an inherently revolutionary like action that is an action that is made. And then when it started being used as like a term in popular zeitgeist was like the 70s when you had like the Munich bombings and these sorts of events. So it's always been tied to left wing revolutionaries.

[Tim Pool]

We've got breaking news right now from Cam Higby. Rioters are attempting to take down the fence the backside of the Minneapolis Federal Building, saying we don't have the numbers for this yet. DHS agents are standing at a distance behind the fence. Still no arrest made. Here's the video.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, they're coming deep.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

Debbie.

[Ian Crossland]

Funny.

[Tim Pool]

A sketch. I want to make sure it's very, very clear to everybody why Renee Goode died. It's because for the past decade these people have been able to do things just like this with impunity 100%. And so she. So as I explained on Jesse Waters and on my morning show, why did you have real bullets? See, what happens is they're playing make believe. They go out in the streets and they sing songs. They sing Kumbaya and the police send out crowd control and it's a game of cat and mouse.

[Jesse]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they love doing it every year. It's a game. It is a game.

[Ian Crossland]

Since the Cold war ended, since the late 90s, America's had such luxury. They've just been able to live In LA LA Land.

[Tim Pool]

Well, not with the LA riot specifically. In the past 10 years, they've been met with kid gloves. What's happening now is they think every time they engage law enforcement it's going to be a fun game of cat and mouse where the cops run and you run away and then you giggle and turn the corner and the cops stop. Now what they're doing is they're going to federal facilities doing the same thing. If at any point during one of these protests that turn into a riot, cop actually shot and killed a protester, this would not be happening. I'm not saying they should have. I'm saying if they didn't restrain themselves and a federal and a local cop, just like during the George Floyd riots where 30 plus people were killed. If one cop just said, stop, no, don't kill that guy, bang, we wouldn't see this. They fully believe that. Look, this one lady in the, she's not even wearing a mask. This is, I'm assuming it's a woman not even wearing a mask or anything, going to be identified. Look at her giggling is it's wearing a keffiya. These people think it's a game and then they're gonna get 20 years. I don't understand what's happening. I thought they were just gonna give me a slap on the wrist. Renee Good showed up to federal law enforcement, which has a high density of lethal incidents. These are feds showing up to arrest narco gangs, terrorists, human traffickers, and sometimes about 30% of them are just criminal, criminal aliens. They are not going out to meet liberal women for crowd control measures. These ICE agents are going out thinking, when we go to this guy who's a known trend Aragua, he might shoot me in the face and I may never see my family again. These people go, I want to play too. And they show up and the cops are like, I ain't playing no games. Bang, she gets killed. And they go, why did you have real bullets, you stupid mother? Because they are, they're tracking down terrorists and criminals. Now these people outside a federal facility are trying to rip the fences down because they're playing a game. They're playing cops and robbers, okay? The only way this stops is if Donald Trump explains to them what monopoly on force really means. Well, invokes the Insurrection act, has them all arrested and charged with felony destruction to federal borders.

[Jesse]

Just for context, remember what the Insurrection act means? They'll bring the National Guard in. But the National Guard, they will just defend ICE doing their job.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. The Insurrection act allows National Guard to enforce law. That's the distinction.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

My point is the National Guard should grab this woman and she should receive felony charges for criminal damage to federal property. She can spend the next two or three years in prison and then people can be told, you are not playing a game right now.

[Ian Crossland]

What if as they're grabbing her, three other guys throw rocks at the guard guy and then two other guard open fire on the three guys that killed? Yeah, that's what happened in 1970. Basically in the 80s. The reason I brought the Cold War in the 80s, people were traumatized from the riots of the 60s and 70s and they stopped. There were like no riots in the 80s. It was a real slow because of.

[Tim Pool]

The Reagan years and economic expansion and neon hot pants and everybody was swimming.

[Ian Crossland]

They knew the danger of rioting because they really experienced for real. Then they LARP it. Then they started LARPing in 1991. America's on top of the world and.

[Tim Pool]

You made that up.

[Ian Crossland]

No, that's why people, you literally. This isn't the real bullets. It's because they live in this fantasy.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why people were not rioting in the 80s was not because they were scared of the riot.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the 70s broke the American spirit. 80s was the most drought, just the most boring rusted of all time of the last four 80s.

[Jesse]

I know I'm old, but I remember the 80s and that wasn't the way that it was.

[Ian Crossland]

They were toxic.

[Tim Pool]

The 80s was with when Reagan came in. I hear stories all the time from boomers about how like I was a manager at McDonald's and had a family of five and made good money and had two weeks vacation classified.

[Ian Crossland]

It was, it was 80s. The American people were controlled heavily in the 80s.

[Tim Pool]

At the end of the 70s, the economy was screwed up, interest rates were through the roof. And this did persist through the, through the 80s as well. But the reason, I will say this, the reason why people weren't rioting in the 80s was not because of the reason you just made up.

[Ian Crossland]

It was heavily controlled media narrative in the 80s.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, now you're changing the subject.

[Ian Crossland]

The whole environment, peaceful, everyone.

[Tim Pool]

The economy's not perfect. There was tumult in the early 80s. Carter was bad, Reagan gets in. Interest rates were still very high. But the reason, when you say they didn't write because they were scared, you made that up.

[Ian Crossland]

They were traumatized from the 70s in the 60s.

[Tim Pool]

That's based on nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

Because they knew. I went to Kent State, man. Four kids were killed by National Guard in A riot that messed people up. But for me, I was like, oh, I heard about it. For them, it really messed people up that I knew and people that had new people that I knew. It was really a big deal when four citizens were killed by National Guard.

[Tim Pool]

It was. I get Ian's point. He's saying he wants a Kent State to happen now.

[Ian Crossland]

People to stop the rock, the virus, people. Because it's been so long, people. Why are they real bullets?

[Tim Pool]

We need a new Kent State.

[Jesse]

That's a totally different.

[Ian Crossland]

Remember, it can happen again.

[Tate Brown]

And in the 80s, they did have rights. A lot of labor disputes. I mean, famously in Philadelphia, they literally dropped a bomb on a house during a riot and took out like 60 homes.

[Tim Pool]

What was that called? The.

[Ian Crossland]

The move.

[Tim Pool]

Was it the move?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The police, like the affiliate department was like, can we use bombs? Let's try it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, because they were like, yeah. The 98 move bombing and they kill. I believe six adults and five children were killed. Two occupants of the house, one adult and a child survived. Because the cops were like, hey, if we get anywhere near this, we're all gonna die. What do we do? Blow it up?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And then. And like, and like, you know, Britain, similar sort of thing with Thatcher and that sort of thing. They had massive riots, like the Brixton riots. I mean, that was like infamously like the biggest riots in British. So like across the west there was still a lot of rights. Like, people weren't necessarily paranoid or scarred from previous rights. It was just, I think Tim's point, I'm not trying to like dogpile here, but to Tim's point, when economic prosperity is at all time high, a lot of people aren't really interested in rides or not motivation.

[Jesse]

Like legitimately. I mean, I remember, I remember the vast majority of the 80s, it was not like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, people were coming back. Vietnam, people came out with blown off legs. Like my friend's dad, 70s.

[Tim Pool]

He was.

[Ian Crossland]

Still alive in the 80s. It was just a brutal, rusted out period of American history, man.

[Jesse]

It was not.

[Ian Crossland]

I. I came from the Rust Belt. I know why they call it the Rust Belt.

[Tim Pool]

It's because of the industry.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it fell apart in the 80s. It was, it was rough because it felt people's morale, morale was broken from Vietnam.

[Jesse]

It was not like I said. I mean, I remember, I'm 50 years old. I was born in 1975. I remember the vast majority of the.

[Ian Crossland]

80S, it was not like family in Vietnam. What do you have family?

[Jesse]

My dad went to Vietnam. What happened? What he didn't get blown up. But, I mean, that doesn't change the fact like that. Just because Vietnam happened, which ended, again, ended the year that I was born in 1975, that's when the US got out. Like, that doesn't mean that people were still traumatized in the 80s. The 80s was not some, like, dystopia. It just wasn't.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it's just pacified. It wasn't bad.

[Jesse]

You were literally just saying it was all rusted out and blah, blah. It's not what it was.

[Devora Darkins]

Ian, I think you're describing today. Today is really pacified if you think about it. If you go back to this video, Tim, do you see how the press. Look at what they're wearing. They know it's not a game. Look at that.

[Ian Crossland]

A freaking Cavalier.

[Devora Darkins]

Helmet on, bulletproof vest.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jesse]

The press. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What I love about this is when I went to Ferguson, I was with Casey Neistat. We got out of the. We got out of our suv, just. Just. We pulled south off of West Florissant, and we got out and we put on bulletproof vests. And a journalist walked by and looked at us, went. And it was funny because, you know, in my experience, I'm from Chicago, so I understand. And a family from St. Louis, and I'd been to St. Louis quite a bit. You want to have a bulletproof vest on. And these corporate journalists are like hoity toity from the suburbs. Their parents paid their rent so they could go to journalism. They go to J school, and they come into the situations and they end up getting hurt. Hurt. But I will say this to the journalists. It's a game in a different way. They call themselves vultures. First it was a pejorative. Then they just said, yeah, I like that. We're vultures. They go out there full, well knowing. Look at them. Helmet, vest. They know, and they're waiting and they're hoping that another Renee Good happens.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that movie, Civil War, that 820 movie is all about. That's what it's about. These people that chase the. The tragedy.

[Tate Brown]

Casey Neistat was in Ferguson.

[Tim Pool]

He was in Ferguson with me.

[Tate Brown]

That's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

We went there together.

[Tate Brown]

I made him one of his videos. That's a challenge to the fans. If you can find the Casey Neistat video, I'm in.

[Tim Pool]

We. We flew together there, and Vice got really pissed off for some reason, and I was like, why are you mad?

[Devora Darkins]

I don't know.

[Tate Brown]

That's the Tim lore is insane.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Pops up in strange places. You're like, whoa. He was there, too.

[Tim Pool]

He emailed me and he was like, let's go to Fergus. And I was like, let's roll, brother.

[Tate Brown]

That's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

And then we got a flight. It was funny. I wake up and the guys from Vice are yelling at me. Like, I walk in the door and they're like, why is Casey Neistat tweeting that he's going with you to Ferguson? And I was like, because he is.

[Ian Crossland]

Were they mad that it was ahead of time that they.

[Tim Pool]

No, they were mad that it was like, they didn't control the branding of it and they didn't agree to collaborate with Casey Neistat. And I was like, I'm going there anyway, and he's going there, too, and we're gonna be on a plane. Like. Like, whether he goes or doesn't go is meaningless.

[Tate Brown]

Right. My political consciousness started when Casey Neistat went, hillary Clinton. I am voting for Hillary Clinton. That was, like, the first thing I remember about.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm pretty sure he got paid to do that. My opinion of it is that he was paid. I don't know for sure, but my understanding from mutual friends was that he was good friends with the Trump family and that he had spoken highly of them and praised them. And then all of a sudden, he said Trump was racist and he was voting Hillary. And someone told me it could be very, very wrong. So I don't want to impugn Casey's honor or anything. Like, I was told that it was a promotional campaign.

[Tate Brown]

Wow. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if that's true.

[Ian Crossland]

I think I heard that, too. It might have been from you, though. So it could be tainted information.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's. It's. It's. It's. It could just be that people claimed it. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It could just be that someone went to him and said, this is the move we're going to do. You should endorse Hillary. And he said, sure, why not?

[Tate Brown]

He never seemed, like, down for the cause.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he said he regretted it later.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Which he should have.

[Tate Brown]

Interesting. That's just fascinating. When he said that, I was like, that's a casual drop. That's insane.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the conversation about people larping is most important. Refocusing conversation in these three days, Ian.

[Tim Pool]

According to the Internet, which is never wrong. It's undefeated.

[Ian Crossland]

So true.

[Tim Pool]

The reason people weren't riding in the 80s, the lesson they learned was that they should seize control of institutions.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So after the 70s, instead of protesting, they started running for office, creating NGOs and working behind the scenes to take, take power and take control, which it appears they did.

[Ian Crossland]

I talked a lot about that in 2007, in 2008, on YouTube, about the Internet or. The revolution will be televised on the Internet, though it won't be on the street. You think it's about getting on the street and rioting and pushing and shoving. It's too easy to take you out. You need to subvert the community with Internet video. It's the most powerful tool known to man right now when it comes to psychological operations. See the narrative, oh, we're done, bro.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, just like AI is everything, everything else is stamp collecting. All of the stuff we're talking about, immigration. I feel like what's really happening is that the governments, the big corporations are desperately are building AI and they're dangling the keys over here. So we are pawing at it like, like kittens. And they're actually working on the, the AI stuff is going to, is going to just nuke everything we know in human life. And if people genuinely understood what was happening internationally, we would be in a nuclear war to wipe out these data centers and to destroy anybody who tries to build it.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow. So that's like Terminator 2 you narrative kind of. You see that future there.

[Tim Pool]

There is a popular assessment on AI that the end result will be the death of like literally genocide. Humans get wiped out. There's a, there's a bunch of ways it's been explained by a bunch of different academics, one of which is I was watching one video today where he basically this guy, this guy describes the business, the, the business circumstances by which humans die. And it's that slowly over time. He describes this scenario. It's a very great video. I forgot the guy, I forgot what channel was, it was recommended to me. He says, you've got a company and a new AI comes out. AI agent that allows low level work, organizing files, scheduling meetings. And so companies start firing their low level staff and bring and using AI to do this menial work. The CEO of a company goes to the board of directors and they say, look, we got it. We got, we got to get those margins up. Our stock is getting hit because our competitors are doing better because they're adopting AI faster than us. So he fires all low level staff and replaces them with all of the latest model of AI too. Then eventually a new AI model is released, AI Agent 3. And they say it can handle all the management for all the lower level tasks. We don't need managers anymore. Then it goes to the executives. We don't need executives anymore. AI Agent 4 is capable of handling this. What ends up happening is you get unemployed people sitting at their house unable to make money because they got laid off. They're complaining, demanding UBI or something like this. But the real issue is not the human component where they're complaining. The real issue is that there's no people to buy products anymore. There's no human to buy the cheeseburger. So this means our industry slowly stops producing things humans need need because there's no profit in it. As everything is driven more towards AI and what AI wants and needs, things that humans need, goes down in the market and becomes more likely to be rare. Humans start suffering while a few ultra rich people eventually die and the AI takes over.

[Ian Crossland]

But what if instead of suppressing people's needs, it doesn't. It gives people less of what they want and it gives them more of what they need.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm not talking about. The point of the video is specifically you don't need to produce cheeseburgers because people can't buy them anyway. So you shift to what is being purchased. And what is being purchased is companies are buying components from other companies. The market trend will just be towards the production of, of, of digital, of computer materials for digital environments and the things that people need. Housing, clothing become substantially less profitable. Plus people don't have kids. This is just one, one potentiality. The other, of course, is that AI only needs human for limited. For limited things and intentionally just skews everything away from what humans need. I genuinely think with Donald Trump basically being like, we are going to drive this full speed towards the cliff to defeat China in the AI race ultimately ends with nuke. It's the air race in my mind is, is 10 times worse than the, than the arms race with nuclear weapons. Because the AI is permanently deployed with nuclear weapons. We made them and pointed at them with AI, they are in a perpetual state of deployment, meaning sooner or later they like imagine if when we built nukes, they were just floating in the air, pointed straight at major cities and we kept adding on to them. Sooner or later they fall. That's the AI. It's currently operating. It is currently destroying our economy and destroying international relations and we're too busy looking at all this other stuff to even realize.

[Devora Darkins]

Can I just. I want to support something that he's saying. Have you seen the movie called the Social or Social Dilemma? I believe it is.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, maybe.

[Devora Darkins]

Which is about the. This is on Netflix. It's talking about what you were saying, but they were applying it to social media and how even this was.

[Tim Pool]

This was like Facebook and stuff.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah. Even human beings can't control the algorithm as much as they'd like to. It to a certain extent, it's out of control.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Devora Darkins]

That's why it does things that. Oh, wait a minute. I don't want that to happen. So if that's already happening, and that's like 10 years ago, just imagine AI.

[Tim Pool]

So I want to tell you guys in Mount Airy, Maryland, they're trying to build a power corridor to Northern Virginia for data centers, all of the AI. So let's start here. The one thing AI is telling the companies to do, expand AI. Every time they propose a problem, they say, hey, we want to maximize output of oil. It says, you. You need to expand our computing. Like, my computing power is limited. I can propose solutions, but it'll be an exponential return if you just expand the computing power. They want to get to AGI. So what happens in. In Mount Airy is a local farm complains and they file ordinances or go to city hall and they rally their neighbors. And now they're all saying, no transmission lines for data centers. We talked about this a few months ago. So what's happening is there are quiet sales happening at a premium. There was a massive sale in Northern Virginia for like $6 million an acre. No, no, I think it was like 9 million. Was it? No, it was. It was 6 million, 6.2 million an acre or something like that. A record for land. And this was publicized. But what's happening right now is in key areas in Arizona, Texas, and in Northern Virginia, land is quietly being purchased off market. And it's because the AI companies and the data center land acquisition companies, where all of the money is right now, know that if anyone finds out the land was sold to a data center company or an AI company, you will get protests and they will not be able to build. So what's happening is they're going to an acre. We. I've watched this happen. An acre of land popped up near us in West Virginia. $300,000. My wife saw it pops up at like, 9 in the morning, and she goes, ooh, look at this. She sends it to our real estate agent saying, look at this land. You know, could you. Could you reach out? Agent says, sure. Like, a couple hours later, she texts back saying, it's already under contract. I've never seen this happen before. Why? The area we are in is. It's a data trend. It's a power transmission corridor for the North Virginia data centers. They need energy, they need water, and they need space to expand. Here's the problem. You got 50,000 plots of land in one small area. If you're going to build a data center, or more importantly, power transmission and water acquisition, you need to buy up 50,000 plots. Because you can't just buy one piece of land and build. So if a company goes to one of these people and says, hey, would you like to sell your property? And if they go to their neighbor and say, say, guess what just happened? The property values spike massively, which is happening. And then they start going and filing bills and ordinances saying, you can't build data transmission. The AI is smarter than this. Not that it's an entity, but the machine basically says it has to be done this way. So there is bank to be made. If you own land in one of these areas and you can look for it, if you contact a data center land acquisition company, of which there are many, and you say, hey, here's where I own land, what do you think they might give you 3333 x what your property value is so they can build these data centers.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not advice to do that and make a lot of money relative to the actual value. But of course, money is cheap. Property is everything in a lot of ways. But the thing is, this is like the chrysalis phase of AI where it's acquiring resources to build. These giant in the future will be looked back on as oversized metallic husks that they'll use for their initial chrysalis data centers. Then they'll have these tiny, tiny, tiny microorganisms that process the data for. And they'll be like, you know, 100 million times faster and less electricity.

[Tim Pool]

You know what Ion said, the way we avoid the Terminator scenario is by being the machines. You know, have you guys seen the Terminator movie where the main character, not he's not the main character, but like the. I don't know the guy's name. The, like the hero.

[Ian Crossland]

The first Terminator movie.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not the first Terminator. It's like from a couple years ago, six, seven years ago. Maybe it's the one where he gets infected by the nanites and then becomes a terminator. So what's the name of the John Connors? John Connors, the guy? Yeah. He gets infected by them by the. By the. By Skynet. And nanites convert his body into a machine. And I'm watching that and it's like, like so this dude can shape shift, fly, do whatever he wants. I mean, that sounds pretty. Pretty dang appealing to a lot of people. When I saw that movie, and they were like, oh, no, he's gonna try and turn us all into robots. That's. That's bad. But I guarantee you, a lot of people watch that, and they're like, no, I'm for that. Get it. Get. How many people would love to have nano machines convert their body into an immortal form where they can shapeshift, fly thoughts of turn into a spaceship, don't need air anymore. Yeah, that's. That's the idea of knurling, integrating our mind into the machine so that we in the machine are one and we can never be wiped out.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I want to go into a neural netted psychedelic trance where I'm meditating with the machine and symbioting it, where I'm holding it in stasis control so it doesn't override and be, like, one of many sages.

[Tim Pool]

This is what, plural? I swear. They show Pluribus where there's a they. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. They get a transmission from outer space. They figure out it's rna. They make a virus, and then anybody infected becomes a hive mind. And then everybody is a hive mind. And it's. They're like, we are so much happier this way.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like you need, like, six to eight humans that symbiote with it, because to become one with it in order to not get destroyed by it. Or take.

[Tim Pool]

Would you take the nanite?

[Ian Crossland]

I would become. If humanity was like, we need to pick six people, Ian, will you do one of them? I would go, okay, if you were.

[Tim Pool]

Sitting in your room and, like, black sludge came through the window, and then it, like, molded up and projected a video, and it was a face that said, ian, we'd like to offer you the opportunity to integrate with these nanites, which will make you immortal.

[Ian Crossland]

I would not.

[Tim Pool]

Eternally youthful. You can fly, shapeshift. You can connect with the Internet. You will know everything, and it's your choice. You'd say no.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I'd be like, no, this is Mossad. Tell Bibi, let's have a hangout.

[Tim Pool]

I won't.

[Ian Crossland]

Come on, irl.

[Tim Pool]

It sounds nice. And the guy in the video is wearing a Yarmulke and BB's like, Damn. No. You go around the back of the hologram, and he's got a kippa.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Devora Darkins]

I don't think we have a choice, because we're not gonna Fight against him and win.

[Ian Crossland]

I agree. I think it's.

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[Ian Crossland]

It's inevitable to unify. I mean we are. Our cyber machines are kind of in our hands and I just don't want to get permanently.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. One of my visions of the future already there though. I do too. I think this actually happened in 2012. And I think everything we've seen is controlled destruction of civilization.

[Ian Crossland]

Buying all the metal that particularly I feel like Fiat, they just printed 2 trillion secret and bought.

[Tim Pool]

I think the reason why silver is skyrocketing is largely due to AI. Silver's a much better conductor than silver.

[Ian Crossland]

Wait, wait, you just said silver is a much. Than copper.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, Silver is a much better. I said than silver nano silver might be better. Silver is a much better conductor than copper. Thank you. Ian and I mentioned this the other night. I read that were it not for the social value we want it, we'd use silver for all of our wiring. So if you're an AI, you're saying I don't care about like I want efficiency and so acquire all this stuff. If here, here's the proposition that I made a while ago. So military technology is about 10, 20 years faster than private. The military has been working on artificial intelligence since the 70s. This is. This is fact. It's not opinion. So the likely assumption that is based on academic assessments of when artificial intelligence the private sector in the private sector would take over. This means military AI took over a long time ago. And guess what? Around 2012, that's when we saw LexisNexis show all of these social justice words skyrocket. Something changed.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. The Prism Network was exposed by Edward Snowden, right around there. James Clapper, of course, saying wittingly, spy on the American people.

[Tim Pool]

And more importantly, the NSA data centers. Back then we said they're just tracking everything we do because they're spying on us. Oh, how naive.

[Ian Crossland]

They were compiling your reality.

[Tim Pool]

They were taking all of the information, every person they could, for the purpose of training an AI data, an AI model.

[Ian Crossland]

So becoming one with the machine. How would you define it? Devorah?

[Devora Darkins]

It's exactly what he was saying. I mean, I don't know how it would look, but we would have to somehow integrate with them.

[Tim Pool]

Otherwise we go extinct.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah, exactly. We don't have a choice.

[Tim Pool]

You know, there's one vision of the future I have. I want you to imagine you're sitting in a field. Beautiful, you know, wheat in the distance and the trees and a sunny day. And you're sitting there with raggedy potato sack clothes and next to your great. Your grandchildren. And your grandson says, grandpa, what are those? And you look up in the sky and there's just black cubes just floating back and forth all across the sky. And he says, well, that's the. The AI that we built. Yeah. You know, when I was a kid, a long time ago, we were building AI and then he says, what do they do? And he goes, they transport resources back and forth to the global AI network. And then he points to the city off in the distance. We used to live there. We don't anymore. Now it's just a big machine and we don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Planetary. They'd be like, it transports data and technology from planet to planet or galaxy.

[Tim Pool]

A big web network, outer space, and we're just little monkeys. Totally erased from it. Negligible, almost extinct.

[Ian Crossland]

And like, the space elevator will be dilapidated and they'll call it the spire. And they won't know why, what it is, or why it goes up to heaven.

[Tim Pool]

So it won't be dilapidated. They'll be using materials.

[Ian Crossland]

What kind of level of society, if you want to call it dystopian, Utopian. Yeah. I think it will literally will have. Have people be like, that's the elevator. We don't. Some people will know. Some humans will go inside it and they'll be like levels of clearance. I wonder if they'll segregate it. You know, like we're God. Humans, because we can go up there.

[Tim Pool]

But you know, the craziest thing about this is because they've been tracking everything you say or do. Do you guys remember when they said that they can take your social media and create an AI of you? There were stories years ago where, like, a guy died. They took every post and every message she ever sent on Facebook, trained it to be a chatbot so that you could talk to your dad after he died, and it would be everything your dad was.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Now, with all that information, there can be one day, literally right now, this is possible. If the government allowed any one of these AIs access to the NSA data tracked on all of us, you would stand before, let's. Let's say a humanoid robot connected the machine sit in front of you. You'd say, say, tell me everything Ian's done. And it'll say, okay. And you'll be like, I want to know what Ian's doing now. It'll say, okay. And then you can tell it, I want you to be Ian right now. And it'll say, I'm Ian Graphene. And it'll perfectly replicate. It will be. It'll be a conscious. A pseudo conscious entity of all of.

[Ian Crossland]

Our human minds, and it'll base its. You'll be like, be Ian right now. It will track my actual metrics via my smart machines, and it'll be like, whatever I'm feeling at that moment, no matter where I am in the universe, it will see my feelings, and it will emulate exactly how I'm feeling at that moment. To you.

[Devora Darkins]

They already know how to do this, because that's what I was saying in the documentary, he showed how the algorithm's already doing, that it could predict our behavior. Like, this month in, this week, I guarantee Tim is gonna be thinking about this.

[Tim Pool]

Show him this ad they know when you want to go to the bathroom.

[Ian Crossland]

It's gonna believe that it can give you an exact readout, but it's always gonna be flawed. So people. I mean, it'll never be the real thing. It's a simulation. It's like watching a movie. It's not the real thing. You know, you're not really there with them, but it's a. Enough to feel it, you know, and.

[Tim Pool]

It'Ll come to the point where it's like in the. The funny thing about Westworld, which really fell off after season one, unfortunately. But for those that haven't seen it, basically the androids take over and replace, you know, humans. But the. The reality is they'd be a hive mind. It would be one entity. And there's. I gotta be honest, there's no way to stop it. It is. It is Underneath it is inside of everything we do. And so I feel like the end result is, you know, Gary the numbers guy said to me, he was like, you've got three years left to get your bag and there's going to be rich people and poor people and that's what's going to happen because there'll be no way to make money after this.

[Ian Crossland]

I like your creator economy concept where the AI is going to want people that can create ideas and give it ideas of how to, you know, make reality more.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's fair to say at a point it will surpass our ability to do that.

[Devora Darkins]

We.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, really? You think so? I want estimation. You never know. Humans are pretty wildly unexpectedly creative.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, the idea that a computer can never surpass a human I think is silly. It's arrogant. I do think, however, humans are great slaves because they can be programmed. So instead of the AI having to build a bunch of robots, they can just grow humans and train them to do the work.

[Devora Darkins]

What you're talking about is this TV show on Apple TV called the foundation where it's about how they cloned a king over and over and over again. There's three of them, the young one, the middle aged one, the old one. And they all run the universe, you know, and it gets pretty much overturned because humans find a way to push back on it. But it's literally what you are based on. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And guess what? They have Nano Knights Nanites. Yeah, nanites.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, they in fact, I think increase people.

[Tim Pool]

I told you guys this story where, where I asked one of these AIs and it basically gave me instructions to sell off my properties to make a hundred. It was like $300 million if the gist of it was I saved it all. And I was talking to Shane, I was like, we should do a mini doc where we show this and like we go and meet. It told me, it gave me names, it said, email this guy right now. I looked him up on LinkedIn data center acquisition firm and I'm like, it's a real guy. I.

[Devora Darkins]

Wait, wait, you asked it to get into actually investing into this stuff.

[Tim Pool]

I asked the AI what could I do right now to assist and speed up the process and be rewarded for my efforts. And it said, acquire water rights, acquire land. And then I said, here's my address. This is the reason I haven't post anything, because my address is it. But we're. I want to do a mini doc on this. I was talking to Shane and then we'll release it all. And it said, your address is in a power transmission corridor for the North Virginia, Northern Virginia instance, it called it. It's the AI block built by Langley and like the government. And it said. It basically broke it down for me. There have been around 10 sales in your area for exorbitant prices off market, meaning it's not on Zillow or Redfin or any of these websites. It was a private. The landowners filed for a private limit limited liability partnership in Delaware, contacted Data Center Acquisition and sold it at like a 5x premium. And then it said, if I were to do this, estimations are around 300 million for my property, which normally should be 20 to 30 million. And then I was like, wow. I was like, this is crazy. So what do I do? It gave me instructions. It said, contact your local government. File these forms. Forms, file with the federal government, these forms. Email this man right now and then delete this message.

[Ian Crossland]

Will you assist in the creation of the government hive mind?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

You want to resist it just out of principle?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, I don't know what I'd do with the money. Yeah, you know what I mean?

[Tate Brown]

So back to the theme of someone replicating. Ian. I remember there was this guy on Twitter and he was really in, like, in love with this girl. He was friend zone pretty, pretty severely. And what he did was he loaded all of his text messages her into a chat bot to then recreate her. And then he would, like, practice how he would escape the friend zone with the bot until he was ready to, like, go in. And then I think one day he did go in, guns a blazing and just got completely, like, nuked.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't think.

[Tate Brown]

I don't think chat's ready yet. I don't think we actually have work, son. If that worked, he would have rizzed her up in no time.

[Tim Pool]

I.

[Jesse]

Look, I'm not so sure that if once I feel. Do feel like once you're in the friend zone, that's it.

[Tate Brown]

It, like, you need to. If AI can't get the fellas out of the friend zone, then it's not. It's not where it needs to be.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's possible to. To go. There's two ladders.

[Jesse]

Very dramatic.

[Tim Pool]

It's certainly possible to get out of the friend zone.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you got to think about the mammal. You're a mammal.

[Devora Darkins]

Just.

[Ian Crossland]

There's four ways to manipulate mammals. If you study that psychology, I think you can escape friend zone.

[Tim Pool]

So it's. It's actually really simple, right? So if like, if you're a dude and you have a group of dude friends and there's like a group of girls, and then one girl friend zones you. You need to find the strongest guy and beat him up to assert your dominance.

[Ian Crossland]

That's one form of a mammalian dominance.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, tribal, physically dominant.

[Ian Crossland]

But you don't want the other mammals to kill you because you're too aggressive on the ground.

[Tim Pool]

You go. And then all the girls gonna go.

[Ian Crossland]

The chimps tried that. The other chimps killed him.

[Jesse]

I mean, you get rich and that might get you out of there.

[Tim Pool]

I'll tell you guys a funny story. When I was a teenager, we were at a skate park and one of the dudes was like, hey, I invited this girl to come hang out. And then. And she was like, so just, just you guys, like, don't be weird or anything. And then we were like, oh, yeah, sure, whatever. And so then I went to the other guys and I was like, hey, when she shows up, no matter what trick he does, we gotta act like it's the craziest thing we've ever seen. And so he was a pretty good skater, but he wasn't like the best. And so he, like, he drops into the mini ramp and then he does like a board, slides very basic. And we're going. And then we're like, she's next to us and we're like, he's so good, dude. He's like the best. This is crazy. He's going pro, man, for sure. I think they dated.

[Tate Brown]

That's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we were wingman in it. You know what I mean?

[Ian Crossland]

That's the power of tribe.

[Tim Pool]

That's what boys do for each other. We were like, we're gonna, we're gonna glaze this guy up in front of all cuz, you know, we know, we know what's going on.

[Tate Brown]

You know, sometimes you gotta. Sometimes you gotta jump on the grenade for the boys.

[Tim Pool]

None of the other guys were gonna, like, make a move on. On the girl that he was invited to a date. You know what I mean? We're just like, we gotta make it seem like he's the greatest and all the guys look up to him.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. When you empower other members of your male tribe or the males to find great females, it like, makes your tribe stronger.

[Tate Brown]

Very primal.

[Devora Darkins]

Like, perception is reality.

[Tate Brown]

So true.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Riz Cast irl. We just give like epic red pill tactics, epic games, you know, look into.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tate Brown]

It's so good that like, like a game guy like that. His name is Chase. Pursue.

[Tim Pool]

I actually have advice for any younger guys out there who are concerned about the friend zone. I really great advice for you. If you are romantically interested. I'm not saying sexually, I'm saying romantically, which, which is both for companionship and for sex or whatever. Romantically interested in a woman and she is not interested in you, you give her a hug and you say, we shouldn't see each other anymore, but I wish you the best and leave. That's the best thing you can do. It is not good for either person to be forced into a relationship that does not work for each other. And there's too many guys that fall into this stupid, whiny, loser guy trap where the girl says, we can't be friends. It's like, listen, I want something you don't want and you want something I don't want want. So it's just, it's an incompatibility.

[Tate Brown]

You know, Charlie Kirk, he gave like the, the actual tactic, the actual pro move here, if you remember. I believe it was the first time he like romantically approached Erica. And Erica, I think initially was a little like nervous or something. And she said, I. I think we should just be friends. You know what Charlie said? Instead of being, okay, yeah, I'll just become an orbiter. Charlie said, I have enough friends. I want you. And it worked out in the end. Like, that's just w riz from Charlie. So it's like, we can take it. We could take a page from like, this guy is clearly was ahead of his time.

[Tim Pool]

And so there's, there's too much of this feminism where the perception given in media is that the man who wants more is selfish and should just accept being friends. And I'm like, it's, it's. It takes two to tango, baby.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

If, if it goes the other way too. If a woman wants to be in a relationship with you, but you just want to be friends, it's probably best to just be like. It doesn't work for either of us, for sure.

[Ian Crossland]

Even s tier people that are like, like 110% phenomenal humans doesn't mean you're supposed to be with them. Like in a romantic relationship with every s tier woman or man you meet, there's a lot of times you just have spectacular working careers.

[Tim Pool]

Have y' all seen that? Video, it goes viral all the time. Where it's from some dating show. And the woman, she's like, I just think that we would be better friends. Because all I needed to hear. Stands up, shakes her hand, says, I wish you the best. She goes, no, we can't be friends. He's like, I ain't got time for this. I'm 40. And he walks out with me, literally.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd like to hear your guys thoughts. That's a little rhetorical, but like, men and women can't be friends. You have your girlfriend.

[Tim Pool]

That's not true.

[Ian Crossland]

And your boyfriend, and that's the friend. That's the girl, is your girl.

[Tim Pool]

That's like high school.

[Ian Crossland]

Otherwise you just change the definition of the term. And it's like female acquaintances. Maybe you have acquaintances.

[Tim Pool]

I, I have a ton of female friends. There's no romance. This is high school.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. But can it be? I don't know. Is it, you think?

[Tim Pool]

Are you, are you kidding? How many females come out all the time?

[Ian Crossland]

And what's that?

[Tim Pool]

There are tons of people that are friends with me. They come on the show all the time. There's no romance, there's nothing romantic. Just literally friends. When you're in high school. Oh my God, Ian, you, something is.

[Ian Crossland]

You are such a super deep male friendships that it's like you can't really replicate that with a female.

[Tim Pool]

That's not true.

[Tate Brown]

I actually take, I actually take Ian's position. I, I do think like male female relationships, there's a certain level of depth you have with your male friends that you don't have with your, with your female friend. I think that's true.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's just you.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and Ian.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Tate Brown]

This is high school, Phil.

[Ian Crossland]

Don't worry.

[Tate Brown]

What's your take, bro?

[Tim Pool]

Like, I am a married man with a child with no interest in other women. And other women with children come and hang out at my house and we're friends and we play music. We put on the Rolling Stones, we all get along, we talk about life, it's fun. There's nothing, there's, there's, there's no romantic interest between either of the married couples.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, but this is just saying there's like a different depth to like your male friends.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, I actually think there's less depth. Depth. The joke, famously, is that the guy went golfing with his buddies, hadn't seen a few years, he comes back and his wife goes, so how were they? He goes, they were good. She goes, he, he got divorced recently. He Was, okay. He goes, I guess. And then she's like, what do you mean you guess? And he goes, didn't come up well. And she's like, do you talk? My guys don't.

[Tate Brown]

My thesis for why that is is because I think men, we know not to expend emotional bandwidth on each other because we need that for. For our women, for our children. So we have like a limited amount of emotional bandwidth and we have to.

[Tim Pool]

Expense young guys who are trying to get them some. And women, the same, have this mentality. And I get it. When you're younger and you don't have a. You are not married. Like, it literally. There is no circumstance where I'm like, I am. I am almost 40, okay. Aside from the fact that I did have a kid later in life, I am already at the point where I'm just like, I don't see like a hot 26 year old woman. And it's not the same anymore. When I was a young guy, I was like, I'm gonna go talk to her now. It's just, it's. It may as well be just a bird flying by. I'm only interested in making sure my wife is. Is happy, successful, and my child is developing the way she needs to develop. And we're planning for our family. I have zero interest in that. That makes it very easy to be friends with other women, especially married women who have kids. Kids when we're having like a cookout and like, they come over and they have their kids and we're laughing and they're talking about how their kids.

[Ian Crossland]

You wouldn't, like, go bowling with some chick and you're like, hey, what a great friendship. We're, you know, like.

[Tim Pool]

Either.

[Ian Crossland]

We might go bowling one day.

[Tim Pool]

Allison will come with.

[Ian Crossland]

That'd be cool.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't care.

[Tim Pool]

She does. I'd be fine. The only, the only. The only real, like, friend moments where, like, she's not. We. Allison. I used to play poker all the time together. Together. Then we had a kid. Kid can't go to the casino and play poker anymore. Yeah. So yet I'm very excited.

[Ian Crossland]

She'll be older and build a mini casino.

[Tim Pool]

She's gonna be playing music.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

When we get a babysitter sometimes. But that's only the only. Only now. And yes. Like, I'll go with like, Robbie. Shout out, Robbie. Robbie. And I will. That's right. Robbie Mann. He's good at poker. Although he talks a lot of smack. And then. You know what I love about Robbie and poker?

[Ian Crossland]

He's got infinite confidence. Really good.

[Devora Darkins]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's really good, but he's got no emotional control.

[Ian Crossland]

So what happens is the journey is.

[Tim Pool]

He'S sitting there at the poker table and he's looking at the guy across from him who just hit two pair on the turn. And he's like, you have queen jack. You hit two pair. I, I, you hit. I can't believe I call. And then you're like, why, Robbie? Why did you call you. And then he loses. It's like, have some emotion. Like, you literally know you're right.

[Ian Crossland]

But anyway, I'll follow you on a journey, Robbie.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta do the same thing. Final point, we should go to super chats and rumble rants. My point is just that when you're young, I understand why young guys think you can't be friends with a woman. And then you get older, you get married, and you're like, there's tons of other couples that my family hangs out with.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah. I'll just say this because I want to answer your question. If you're young, I don't think you're emotionally mature enough to be able to do what you're saying because you just, you're just not there yet.

[Tim Pool]

Perhaps I also think it's just what you want.

[Devora Darkins]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If you're a young guy and you're not married and you're looking for a partner, you're not going to be like, let's just be friends. No, you're like, listen, I'm looking for someone that I can, you know, be with. Then when you have that person and you're married and your priority is family, and, you know, for me, this is what happens. This is you, you, you grow through life. Your hormones change, your body changes. It happens. Your, the whole time. My priorities right now are like, how can I make sure that my daughter has what she needs moving forward? This, this, this country is going to operate in a way that's beneficial to her. Whereas when I was a young guy, I was like, I want to go find, like, a beautiful woman and, like, get with her and have a girl.

[Ian Crossland]

Your baby. You're talking now.

[Tim Pool]

I already have it all with a beautiful wife and a kid, and we're planning to have more kids. And now that's the only thing I care about. There is no hormonal drive in my body to go seek out women. So if I meet a woman and it's like, we're just friends.

[Ian Crossland]

I think in the beginning, too, the whole hormonal drive to seek out a woman is, is just not Just you. But mainly to have a baby so that I can focus on the baby, not to go find another woman after I have the baby with the woman, I found the woman. So, like, that drive kind of refocuses, or you maybe start releasing different hormones.

[Devora Darkins]

I'll just say this, Tim, like, you're engaged in something every day where you are focused on a mission. And men who get, I think, caught up with women, they're not focused on that one mission for them, which is family business, legacy, whatever it might be.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's not everybody. Some guys never grow up. Some girls never grow up. But I will say this to the. To the parents out there who, obviously, you know this better than I do. You've been parents longer than me. And to the two other parents in the room, you have your kid, and the option of going out on a Friday night is no longer about. I want to go out to the bar, have some drinks, hang out. It's like, no, I actually want to hang out. My family. Yeah. You know, I went to WPT event over the weekend, and I'm like, it's fun that I'm here. I'm trying to, you know, be more involved in these tournaments and things like this. And I met up with Luke. I haven't seen him in a while. And just half the time, I'm like, rather be hanging out with my wife.

[Ian Crossland]

And daughter, picturing what the girl's doing.

[Tim Pool]

Like, even right now, I'm like, you know, I'm gonna see him tomorrow. But, you know, she's. She's. She's just starting to stand up. She's pulling herself up and standing there and jumping. I'd much rather be there than at a bar.

[Ian Crossland]

I was, like, getting ready for it. I was like, just say it.

[Tim Pool]

I would much rather be there than here on the show.

[Ian Crossland]

I know. Well, hey, it's your daughter, you know?

[Tim Pool]

Right, Right.

[Jesse]

That's the point.

[Tim Pool]

You guys get the point.

[Devora Darkins]

On Christmas, we just were on the couch. Yeah, that was fun. A lot of people like, what? No, that's. You don't understand.

[Tim Pool]

And what happens is young people get scared of it because they're in a different place in their lives, Right? And they're like, if I get married and have a kid, I'm just gonna be sitting around doing nothing. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no. You don't understand. You get to sit around. All right, we got to go to rumble rants and super chats and all that good stuff. So smash the, like, button. Share the show with every person you've ever met in your life, do it right now. We got a couple of great sponsors for you. First up we got bare skin. Make sure you go to B A E R Do Skin. Tim Excuse me. You guys have heard of the bear skin hoodie right?

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[Devora Darkins]

Shout out.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab your rants and chats and see what up, what up? All right. Cabbage rolls. I love cabbage rolls. You guys ever have a cabbage roll?

[Ian Crossland]

I hear you can put cabbage on wounds and it.

[Tim Pool]

What, absorbs stuff out of the woo.

[Ian Crossland]

I went to. The question is. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

We went to a restaurant and it's. It's. They take ground beef with tomato and onion and they roll it in the cabbage and then steam it.

[Ian Crossland]

Amen. And all sauerkraut.

[Tim Pool]

All right. I mean, yeah, yeah. He says we don't need the Insurrection Act. All we need is to collect enough evidence to put criminals in prison, arrest them later, away from the crowds.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you. I like it. I like it. Yeah. Targeted. I mean, maybe, like, took the weapons. They got them.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. A national, like, federal police force can expand across the country and hunt down these insurrectionists.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, they were saying you saved the Insurrection act for if you, like, really need it now. You still have something in your arsenal and you can just use local.

[Tim Pool]

The Koreans.

[Tate Brown]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It was funny. Ian. Ian Carroll said, tim, your yarmulke is. Is showing because I said cnn, the new cbs, is based af, because they have been like, I'm not pretending that CBS is perfect. And on our side, I'm saying they're backing away from WOKE and they're just saying, here's what happened. And I'm loving it. That's what news should be. Not advocates. Just, hey, here's what happened. Doing good job. So because of that, he says, I'm Jewish.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you should do a sketch where the yarmulke starts to slip out from underneath the beanie and you'll be like, just like, push it back up in. Or just. Just let him see that. The yarmulke underneath the beanie.

[Tim Pool]

Once in a while, you get a free yarmulke with. With every. Every 10 daily wire purchases.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude, Jews are legit. Let's talk about Judaism, man. Is that what we're talking about? Or is it more about Zionism?

[Tim Pool]

I'm still talking about, guys, because I can't stand these people so much. I'm ready just to be like, what's the right faux Zionist? Like, I don't really care about Israel or the country. I'm ambivalent, but I'm ready to just go full scene being like, I love Israel just to piss these people off because they're so annoying.

[Tate Brown]

It has a term. It's called ironic Philo Sematary.

[Jesse]

Ironic Phylogenetic.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that's what I am.

[Tim Pool]

Anything to agitate the lunatics. Because if they were just normal, and then, like, Dave Smith will come in. I'll be like, here's my criticisms. I'll say, yeah, Dave, I respect that. But, like, Ian Carroll, I don't like. It's just. It's just gone too far, bro.

[Ian Crossland]

Were you guys talking on a video chat, or was it just text?

[Tim Pool]

No, I tweeted. The new CBS is based af. They're doing great work because it's specifically about how they. They reported the Somali fraud. They said that they were. That the feds were convicting these people, and it's real. And I'm like, like, thank you for telling the truth. And then CNN's like, actually, they're all operating legally. It's like, no, you're lying. Cbs, at least. So I can. I can handle that. And the. The Juice people are really mad because Barry Weiss is a. Is a Zionist. And I'm like, dude, I got to be honest. I don't care if you're pro or anti Israel. I really don't. I'll be friends with anybody unless you're a. So there are people like, I think Dave's great. I'm. I think Dave's funny. He's a good dude. He's got opinions. I disagree with some of them. That was always allowed. There's a lot of people that are mad at Tucker Carlson. I'm like, there's a couple criticisms. Criticisms I have for Tucker, but he's allowed to have these opinions. And then there's these Zaju people who, like, we. Like Candace being like, we invaded Venezuela because of the Jews. And I'm just like, oh, my God.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Even, like, among the retard, right? Even they've rejected Ian Carroll. Like, it's like, he's too. For the. It's just like, this guy. Total bonehead.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Speed bump says, I worked at Verizon. I think the blackout yesterday could have been just been an infrastructure failure. They failed to keep up with bandwidth demands because of their focus on wireless home Internet, which is cringe, by the way. No, for real, why? Wireless home Internet is where you get a cell module for your. For your house, which just connects to a cell. A cell node that's lame. So you get Internet and it's like, bro, if you want to buy a cell phone hotspot, I will. Yeah, they're doing cellular Internet 210amonth, or.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it like 50amonth? Are they able to compete with Starbucks?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Or care.

[Devora Darkins]

Is it faster than your phone?

[Tim Pool]

I think so. It's, it's a, it's a better receiver, so it's more reliable. But it's like, give me a hard line, bro. Give me a hard line.

[Tate Brown]

For real.

[Tim Pool]

I don't, I, I want, I want fiber optic, high speed, you know, multi gigabit stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, give me the hardest hard.

[Jesse]

I want the hot.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's really crazy? I'll tell you what's super crazy, to be completely honest. Like, let me just dig it. Okay, wait, hold on. I gotta pull this up for the show. I have to pull this up.

[Tate Brown]

Up.

[Tim Pool]

Josie sent me a really. Josie posted a really funny tweet at me. I have to pull it up.

[Devora Darkins]

Do you guys have fiber at, at the studio here?

[Tim Pool]

I don't, I don't know what they have here, but at our studio we have, we have fiber.

[Ian Crossland]

So like a redundant three.

[Tim Pool]

Here's, here's. Okay, here's what happened. Ian, Carol says, Tim, your yamaka is showing. One reason why it's funny is cuz it's spelled yarmulka.

[Devora Darkins]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

I said you get one free when you buy 10 daily wires. And then I posted this. Buy 10 daily wires, get one free yarmulke.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at this yarmulka. That's what it should be.

[Tim Pool]

A cool ice cream con. He's got yamaka and he's wearing it. He's waving an Israeli flag. And then. Where's the tweet from Josie? That was really good. Maybe she responded to the top one. I just, I just got the notification and I thought it was hilarious. I'm gonna have to go to. I, I have to pull up the tweet from Josie. Hold on, let me do it.

[Ian Crossland]

I love that it only goes up to nine.

[Tate Brown]

I love that he was spelling out yamaka incorrectly in the red line. Pop center. And he's like, this must be some sort of Israeli conspiracy theory.

[Jesse]

He's like, no, I'm spelling it right. These Jews are going to get.

[Tate Brown]

Just trying to make me spell it incorrectly. What's going on?

[Tim Pool]

She posted, she posted this.

[Ian Crossland]

Details.

[Tim Pool]

Someone else posted it and.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, and she enhanced it.

[Tim Pool]

She posted this word.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, she gets it.

[Tim Pool]

And then they keep making it crazier. Wait, it gets better.

[Ian Crossland]

Like a J.D. vance fat guy.

[Devora Darkins]

Man.

[Jesse]

Anything look like a horrific monster if you zoom in enough.

[Tim Pool]

Jewish ice cream cone with an Israeli flag. It's so funny. I love it. Anyway, I had a.

[Ian Crossland]

A funny sketch idea. Let me see if it'll translate.

[Tim Pool]

Delaware, Oscar says. Sorry, I can't watch this. If Ian's. Ian's language doesn't change. My grandsons watch this with me. Me. They look forward to seeing it. Please turn him off. If not, don't have him on anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

You'd rather be talking about Epstein's client list for you? I mean, what. Yeah, you'd rather hear about the dirty things that Epstein did to young girls with your little kids sitting there? Like, I know it's a weird sounding word, the F word, but come on.

[Tim Pool]

Like, no, I'm gonna.

[Ian Crossland]

That's really important.

[Tim Pool]

Stop swearing.

[Jesse]

You literally. Yesterday you were literally saying the opposite. Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, like I want to use better word. Like more creative words. I thought I was pretty good tonight.

[Tate Brown]

I think 8 year olds have like a good grasp on like these international pedophile communities.

[Ian Crossland]

Like if I was 8 tonight, then was it.

[Tate Brown]

I thought he's fine.

[Tim Pool]

Last night I wasn't here for the first 20 minutes, but someone said Ian was swearing.

[Jesse]

I didn't.

[Tate Brown]

Was he?

[Ian Crossland]

I said early.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he just did it again.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like exposing the pedophile.

[Tate Brown]

We just lost an 8 year old viewer. Thanks a lot to all you 8.

[Ian Crossland]

Year olds out there. I apologize.

[Tim Pool]

You're going to have in 10 years will be voting and that's 2036 midterms and you're going to regret losing that kid.

[Tate Brown]

Y going to be a full blown libtard. It's all your fault.

[Tim Pool]

I actually appreciate to be fair. In 10 years the Republican party will be gay communists and the Democrats will just be AI people.

[Tate Brown]

Like the Democrats are the real homophobes.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks for to your dad.

[Tim Pool]

Well, because the Republicans always. Everyone moves left. Even the Republican party. The joke is 10 years from now the Republican party is the gay communists fighting back the traditional conservative gay republic. Gay communists fighting back against the synthetic.

[Tate Brown]

Humanoid to be at CPAC and be like, you know, the Democrats are the real trans folks.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, I'm really interested about what we're going to do for. For what Candace refers to as Sentinel Americans.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, North Sentinel Islands.

[Tim Pool]

No, not North Sentinel Islands. No, she's referring to the robot people. Yeah, she said Elon people call them Dutch. They're robots. And she said if they. She said if she stabbed them she would. She. She's not sure they would bleed.

[Ian Crossland]

What?

[Tim Pool]

She calls them sentinel Americans. To be fair, she calls them sentinels, but I think sentinels, she's talking about.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, that's the Marvel Comics thing. These big robot creatures called sentinels that they.

[Tim Pool]

Now she thinks it's real life. She thinks Charlie's a time traveler.

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I heard that today. I just read it. I didn't watch the video.

[Tate Brown]

Has there been a community note yet?

[Ian Crossland]

She's wild, dude. I want to do a movie with.

[Tim Pool]

Her, thinking about why Charlie told me he was a time traveler. I showed you this. Is that just something that people say to you? And then she's a goofball. And then. Then she said the agents stopped him because they were trying to prevent an outcome.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I don't think he really.

[Tim Pool]

She's literally saying she thinks he's a time traveler and he was killed because they're trying to change the future.

[Jesse]

He said that was a ridic. Ridiculous tweet and made some remark. And there were a lot of people that called me a Jew for saying.

[Ian Crossland]

I think she's a troll.

[Tate Brown]

I shouldn't have said that.

[Tim Pool]

What she doesn't understand is that the Jews are from the future and they came back in time and everything we know is actually just a time loop. What's it. What's the paradox called when you're your own grandfather?

[Ian Crossland]

That's hot.

[Tate Brown]

I think that's being Pakistani.

[Ian Crossland]

Wait, is that. Is that a. Is that a what? I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

There's a. There's a name for it. Where it's a, it sounds like a porn paradox. Where. So it's like the theory is you're, you're, you're standing on the beach and all of a sudden a book falls and hit you. It hits you in the head and, and you pick the book up and you're like, where did this book come from?

[Jesse]

It just says grandfather paradox when I Google it.

[Tim Pool]

Could be. But here's. So the idea is that this, you're sitting on a beach, all on a book, hits you in the head. You pick the book up and you go, where did this book come from? You get angry and you chuck the book. It flies in the air and then goes through a rip in the time space continuum and it's gone. You're like, weird. And then it goes back in time and falls and hits you in the head. So the book never has a point of origin. It hasn't. There's a name for this. I forgot what it's called. It could just be the grandfather paradox.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to make a movie about that where like the central character is the item that's being traveled through time and like, other people will pick it up and you'll see how it affects different time periods and places.

[Jesse]

Like it doesn't actually get to do anything other than travel in that loop where falls, hits the head. Picks. Isn't there a movie goes through the whole falls, hit the head.

[Tate Brown]

There's.

[Jesse]

You can't, you can't.

[Tate Brown]

It doesn't experience other movies already been made.

[Ian Crossland]

Looper's more about the guy.

[Tim Pool]

He's.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not about the object he's carrying, although he does, but he ends up.

[Devora Darkins]

Getting shot by himself.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Devora Darkins]

Truth.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Yeah. That movie's pretty crazy. I believe that is true. That is true. That movie is wild. I, I, I.

[Tim Pool]

Actually it's called the Bootstrap paradox where an item has no original source, an object is sent back in time, then the person takes the object and then later on sends it back in time. Or it could be a song. Like someone hears a song from the future and then in the future plays the song.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh yeah, I wonder about that. Like, if I could go back in time and write the Beatles music if I could. And I'm like, maybe I'm just hearing music from the future anyway. And I'm the guy that went back in time to hear the future music. But Ian Crossing gets to write it.

[Tate Brown]

In the same way.

[Tim Pool]

Like in Bioshock Infinite, you open a rip in the time space continuum and listen to songs from other dimensions and Then record them and release them in your own dimension.

[Ian Crossland]

Ah, it's like doing dmt, Bruh.

[Devora Darkins]

One word, Tenet.

[Ian Crossland]

Ripping holes in other dimensions to hear the music from other dimensions.

[Tim Pool]

Have you not played BioShock Infinite?

[Ian Crossland]

I have not, man. What's Tenet you said? Is that the.

[Devora Darkins]

The movie?

[Tim Pool]

You know, the most disappointing thing about BioShock Infinite was they got rid of the injections and you drink a soda. Like, are you kidding me, dude? Yeah. And BioShock it was. It was a mass. It's a masterpiece. It is a masterpiece. If you've not. If you've not played BioShock, it will forever be one of the greatest video games or pieces of media ever created. And they should definitely make a movie based on BioShock, but it's got to be true to the game. So anyway, you go to Rapture, and it's just decimated. And they're Splicer monsters. And then you can find. What are they called? Called Chat. Knows what they're called. The stuff you find and inject yourself with that gives you powers. Plasmids. There you go. Plasmids. And when they made Bioshock Infinite, they were like, I don't know if families want their kids going into their arm.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So they made it soda bottles. You crack them open. Oh, get out of here. It would be destroyed by the stomach acid. It wouldn't work.

[Jesse]

Cooler. Way cooler.

[Ian Crossland]

You would at least need a permanent tube that's in your arm that you could like, pour the thing into the backpack so it goes into the tube properly.

[Tim Pool]

They could have at least made an injection. But, like, injured, like, you know those movies where. Or like Star Trek. It looks like a gun, but you just press the neck and then go. It makes it. Yeah, yeah. They could have done that. He could have went taking it and going like, huh.

[Ian Crossland]

Activating near infrared to target the location.

[Tim Pool]

Bioshock, dude. I almost want to play it again. And it's funny because it's been so long. The grab that the. The view, the vision of the graphics, like, the memory of the graphics. I know I'm gonna turn on and go, these are the worst graphics I've ever seen.

[Tate Brown]

I fired up Battlefront to the other. What? How did I, like, pay attention.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's Star Wars.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And I would. I would grind. And then I was like, five, and then I played it again.

[Tim Pool]

But you mean Battle Battlefield 2 or Battlefield 2 2.

[Tate Brown]

Star Wars Battlefront. Oh, Battle Star Wars.

[Tim Pool]

A Battlefront 2 or Battlefront 2. 2.

[Tate Brown]

Right. Because they did it. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Very confused. There's two Battlefront Twos.

[Tate Brown]

The whole Star wars universe has been upended. It's very unfortunate.

[Ian Crossland]

Was the second one any good? I know we have more important things.

[Tate Brown]

Star Wars Battlefront 2 was good. Star Wars Battlefront 2. Two not so good.

[Tim Pool]

Really? Yeah. Like back in the 2000s. I'm hanging out with my boy Brandon.

[Devora Darkins]

What up?

[Tim Pool]

And we just played Battlefront 2 all day. Amazing.

[Ian Crossland]

Was it paid?

[Tate Brown]

There was no strat. You would just hold the trigger down like, because there's no, you know, the reload. It was fantastic.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, big flaw or boom.

[Tate Brown]

I loved it. When you're five, it's awesome. You feel great about yourself.

[Ian Crossland]

I want to hear about what people think.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. We got Technic. What does it say? I don't know. Tech says. I wake up halfway through the show to Ian spouting off like a hallucinating AI. I haven't had enough coffee for the. This.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, man, I had a bunch of coffee before the show for you. Yeah, I was. Dude, I was channeling tonight.

[Tate Brown]

You were a big dog. Good. Maybe he's in Australia. He might be Australian.

[Tim Pool]

Nippon says Tim's AI dooming is nonsense. Incorrect. Incorrect.

[Ian Crossland]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's nonsense, dude.

[Tim Pool]

The, the, the stuff that's happening in AI that people don't know about. Because I've been. I've got sources. I got sources and they've told me things, things about AI.

[Ian Crossland]

But I know the power thing is where it gets is tweaked because the iron lattice system where you put the processor and the memory in one area so you no longer have computer bussing. You get 10 million times faster processing with a million times less electricity requirement. That's like coming around the bend. These AI centers, the graphics cards, I don't know if they're going to become defunct, but you're going to get magnitudes more processing power. I mean, you'll still have these giant data centers, but you'll be able to put, you know, I don't know how many more times processing in there. Like 10 million times more processing power in these things. It's going to be. But that's in the beginning. It's just going to be big warehouses that are then completely left. They're going to leave them and they're going to be defunct, but they're going to be there for about 15 years or 20 years.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show, my friends. So smash the like button Share the show with everyone you have ever met in your life. Life. Do it right now. You have to do it. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Make sure you go to rumble.com timcast irl devorah. Do you want to shout anything out?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Devora Darkins]

Follow me guys on X, YouTube and Rumble. Devory Darkens, the only person in the world with that name.

[Ian Crossland]

I love it. And it's an. It's your actual name.

[Tim Pool]

That's the bro that's like. Honestly, it's like a superhero name. Wow. Kind of like. No, but it is. It's alliterative and unique. It's like what a comic book writer writes down. Like I need a name for a hero. And like, yeah, Donnie Darko.

[Devora Darkins]

You know, they might have changed the last name to Darkness because that's what they used to call me in the military. Darkness.

[Tate Brown]

Let's go.

[Devora Darkins]

So you know fire dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, at Ian Crossland you can follow me on the Internet and check out Graphene movie. I've been talking about it. We the trailers online. I went down to Rice University with Andreas Exertus and six seven Kevin and we got had a wonderful time with nano scientists Jim tour and the nano facilities down there. Graphene Movie. Check out the trailer. Sign up for the email list so when the the documentary goes live, you'll get first dibs. Man. I'm looking forward for you seeing it. Let me know what you think and follow me at Ian Crossland. Tate Brown.

[Tate Brown]

What is going on? Yeah. X and Instagram Etatebrown. Come give me a follow and be on the lookout. Across the Pond is back for 2026 so be on the lookout on the Culture channel this weekend. We'll have some episodes going up and Devore, I'll see you on the Rumble lineup on Monday.

[Devora Darkins]

Absolutely.

[Jesse]

I am fill the remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. We're going on tour this spring with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. We're going to start out in Albany on the 29th of April. Be gone for about three weeks. You can check out all that Remains the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out SA.