Biden DEMANDS Gun Control Over Abundant Life Christian School Tragedy w/Richie McGinniss

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Timcast IRL Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Biden DEMANDS Gun Control Over Abundant Life Christian School Tragedy w/Richie McGinnis
Host: Timcast Media (Tim Pool)
Guest: Richie McGinnis
Release Date: December 17, 2024

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1. Tragic Shooting at Abundant Life Christian School

The episode opens with a discussion about a devastating mass shooting that occurred at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin. According to reports from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the shooter, a teenager whose motives remain unclear, killed a student and a teacher before taking his own life. Six others were injured, two critically (08:14).

Richie McGinnis elaborates on the limited information available, highlighting the prevalence of rumors about the shooter's identity and motives, including allegations of radical feminism—a claim not yet substantiated by official sources.

2. Critique of Biden's Gun Control Stance

Tim Pool criticizes President Joe Biden for his swift call for gun control measures following the Madison shooting. He points out the inconsistency in Biden's responses to different tragedies, noting that just a week prior, when a CEO was assassinated, there was no similar push for gun control from the administration (11:03).

Tim Pool:
"It's very frustrating that they immediately go to the politically useful topic, which is gun control, and ignore... The left thinks they're silent."
11:03

Richie McGinnis supports this view, stating that Biden unfairly labels individuals like Kyle Rittenhouse as white supremacists without evidence, further politicizing tragic events for partisan gain (12:44).

3. Nuclear Material and Drone Surveillance Rumors

The conversation shifts to rumors about missing nuclear materials in New Jersey and the deployment of drones allegedly searching for dirty bombs. While acknowledging that some of these claims are likely exaggerated, the hosts express concern over public panic fueled by unverified information.

Ian Crossland:
"These drones are likely government drones searching for nuclear material, but panicking or hyping up rumors certainly doesn't help anybody."
07:00

4. CNN's Alleged Treasonous Actions

A significant portion of the episode critiques CNN for what the hosts describe as accidental treason. They reference a segment where CNN reporters helped free a prisoner from a Syrian prison, only to discover the individual was an Assad regime torturer and extortionist. The hosts argue that CNN's lack of proper vetting effectively aids enemy forces, intentionally or not.

Ian Crossland:
"They were providing aid and comfort to an Assad regime torturer, reportedly an enemy of the United States. Their failure to vet him suggests negligence or complicity."
37:12

5. Border Wall Auction and Administration Sabotage

The discussion intensifies around President Biden's administration allegedly selling off border wall materials at a fraction of the cost, undermining efforts to secure the U.S. border. The hosts argue that this act is intentional sabotage aimed at weakening national security before possible Republican resurgence in future elections.

Ian Crossland:
"The Biden administration is intentionally sabotaging this country by selling off the border wall materials cheaply, which undermines national security and frustrates constituents who support a secure border."
53:39

Richie McGinnis adds that Border Patrol agents are reportedly instructed to stand down, enabling easy access for migrants and effectively dismantling the wall designed to prevent illegal crossings.

Tim Pool:
"The next move is making sure we entrench ourselves culturally and ensure that the narrative machine does not strike back."
26:44

6. Media's Role in the Culture War

The hosts and Richie McGinnis delve into the detrimental role mainstream media plays in exacerbating the culture war. They argue that media outlets like CNN and MSNBC prioritize sensationalism and entertainment over factual reporting, leading to increased polarization and public distrust.

Richie McGinnis:
"Journalists are not there to inform you of what's going on. They are not interested in the truth. They revel in chaos and destruction."
112:36

7. Richie McGinnis's Experiences with Protests and Riots

Richie McGinnis shares his firsthand experiences attending various protests and riots across the United States, including events in Portland, Kenosha, and Wauwatosa. He discusses his book "Riot Diet," which chronicles the chaos and ideological extremism witnessed during these incidents.

Richie McGinnis:
"I had a front row seat to some of the least peaceful protests in American history... the difference between the observer and the observed."
05:14

He recounts specific incidents, such as the Chaz protest, where he observed alarming levels of violence and lawlessness, further criticizing the lack of effective law enforcement and the media's portrayal of these events.

8. US Foreign Policy and Middle East Instability

The conversation extends to U.S. foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East. The hosts critique the arbitrary borders drawn during colonial times, leading to ongoing sectarian conflict and instability. They argue that U.S. interventions have often fueled chaos rather than establishing lasting peace.

Richie McGinnis:
"The borders were specifically drawn by colonial powers to divide sectarian groups, ensuring that no national identity could unify the population. This has led to perpetual instability in the region."
49:00

9. Call for Reformation in Federal Agencies

The hosts call for accountability within federal agencies, particularly the FBI and Customs and Border Protection (CBP). They demand investigations into agents allegedly involved in child trafficking and criticize the Biden administration for appointing bureaucrats who undermine national security efforts.

Ian Crossland:
"Any Border Patrol agent facilitating the sale of border wall materials should be terminated immediately by Donald Trump once he is in office."
58:15

10. Audience Engagement and Show Format

Tim Pool emphasizes the show's independent format, contrasting it with traditional media. He highlights the importance of uncensored discussions and community engagement through platforms like Discord and Patreon, encouraging listeners to support the show to sustain its mission of countering mainstream corporate media narratives.

Tim Pool:
"Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Richie McGinnis. If you believe that we should displace and replace the corrupt mainstream corporate press, it’s up to you to get involved."
05:12

11. Closing Remarks and Promotions

The episode concludes with promotional segments for merchandise and additional products like "Riot Diet" books and branded skateboards. The hosts engage with listeners through Super Chats, addressing comments and sharing personal anecdotes, reinforcing the community-driven nature of the show.

Richie McGinnis:
"I want you all to imagine this. It is sunset. You're sitting on your couch... and you are opening up to page one of Riot Diet. What a beautiful start to the evening."
106:37

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Notable Quotes:

• Richie McGinnis (12:44):
  "Biden, he, he implied that Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist after the Kenosha shooting with absolutely zero evidence whatsoever."

• Tim Pool (11:03):
  "It's disgusting that no one in the Democrat side will even address the realities of the situation. The only thing you hear is gun control."

• Ian Crossland (53:39):
  "The Biden administration is intentionally sabotaging this country by selling off the border wall materials cheaply, which undermines national security."

• Richie McGinnis (112:36):
  "Journalists are not there to inform you of what's going on. They revel in chaos and destruction."

• Tim Pool (26:44):
  "These next four years are going to be crucial, not just in the political space... Smash that like button, share the show, become a member."

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Conclusion:

This episode of Timcast IRL provides a critical analysis of recent tragic events, U.S. political responses, and the perceived failings of mainstream media in addressing and portraying these issues. Through the insights of Richie McGinnis and the hosts, the discussion underscores themes of governmental hypocrisy, media bias, and the urgent need for independent journalism to safeguard national integrity and inform the public truthfully.

For listeners seeking alternative perspectives on current events, Timcast IRL offers a platform for uncensored discussions and community engagement, challenging the narratives presented by traditional corporate media outlets.

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[Richie McGinnis]

Thanks for having me.

[Ian Crossland]

Welcome back, sir. Who are you? What do you do?

[Richie McGinnis]

I'm Richie McGinnis. I had a front row seat to some of the least peaceful protests in American history. And I just released a book called Riot Diet. And you can read all about the narrative machine and what it's like to get caught up in there.

[Ian Crossland]

So what are a few of these moments? I mean, you were there, you were literally standing next to the dude in Kenosha after the Rittenhouse, after he attacked Rittenhouse and Rittenhouse fired on him. You actually rendered aid to the guy and you were there on January6. You've basically been literally everywhere.

[Richie McGinnis]

I was in the Chaz. I was in Portland. I was in dc, New York, Kenosha, Wauwatosa, the border. I went to Rudy's apartment to get the Hunter Biden laptop. And that was, I mean, that was an experience. And this Riot Diet 1 goes through Kenosha and then Riot Diet 2 covers everything on the maga side of things.

[Ian Crossland]

We got a lot to talk about. So thanks for, for returning, good sir. Richie McGinnis. We got Shane hanging out of all.

[Shane Cashman]

Those places, all those events. What was your favorite?

[Richie McGinnis]

The favorite. Favorite was. Favorite was the Chaz, because that was like, I mean, it was definitely crazy and there was some scary moments, but the Chaz is like, it was like just a bizarre culture. I mean, it was its own country within the United States.

[Shane Cashman]

Was that with the rapper Overlord?

[Ian Crossland]

That.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. So that's the, the, that chapter is called Lord of the Chaz. And the warlord's name is Raz.

[Shane Cashman]

That's awesome.

[Ian Crossland]

Raz of the Chaz.

[Richie McGinnis]

And it was Lord of the Flies.

[Shane Cashman]

Shane Cashman I'm the host of Inverted World Live, author of books. Hi, Phil.

[Ian Crossland]

Hi.

[Tim Pool]

How you doing? Richie, I have a question for you. Considering you've been to all of these riots and stuff, do you feel like you're the reason for the riots? People get excited that Richie's coming.

[Richie McGinnis]

I do. Well, that's why I think I have to retire. I spent, I think one too many times ended up being part of the story. But that is part of what the book is about is, you know, the difference between the observer and the observed.

[Shane Cashman]

Awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Fair enough. I am Phil Labonte. I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's go.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, here's the shocking news. We'll start off right off the bat with the story. Abundant Life Christian school was targeted today. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporting. Student and teacher killed in Madison school shooting that also left shooter dead, six others injured. We don't know a lot about this. Um, this is a private Christian school that was targeted. There are a lot of rumors circulating right now. The rumors are that the shooter was a young teenager who attended the school and was a radical feminist. But again, I don't know that any of that is true. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel says the horror of a school shooting struck the Madison area for the second time in seven months on Monday when police say a teenager shot eight people before taking their own life at a private Christian school. In total, a student and teacher were killed and six were injured. Two of them are in critical condition with life threatening injuries. They go to mention shock and grief across Wisconsin as news of the shooting at Abundant Life School spread Monday as police methodically cleared The K through 12 school which sits on a 28 acre campus with a preschool and a church. City buses took students to a clinic down the road serving as a reunification point. Some children peered at the bus windows, waving to news crews gathered near the school. Thanks for letting us know that you. News crews were getting attention from the children who are fleeing a tragic event. Now. We don't know exactly what happened. They say around 10:57am Dispatchers received the call. There are a lot of rumors. Initial rumors was that it was a trans person. I think this was largely due to the police saying, we don't know the gender. And then everyone basically said, well, if we don't know the gender of the person and they're staring at the person, it must be an ambiguous individual. I don't think that's the case. I think the police just genuinely didn't know but there, there there is a lot of information going around. Andy Ngo has a Twitter thread making some assertions I would call it or I should say reporting on this though I have not confirmed any of I personally believe some of this to be incorrect but I don't know for sure so far be it for me to say Andy no is or is not right but this is what he's reported. He said that it was a 15 year old girl I'm not going to say the name of the individual who had carried out the mass shooting in the school library. According to the source using the name online as Sam despite that not being the individual's name and the on the username online cross6 sir she had an extensive online obsession with school shooters and death particularly the Columbine High School shooting. The individual was a big fan of KM FDM rock band which which also referenced by one of the Columbine shooters. She often wore the shirt of the band. This individual's online friends identified the count which reported to belong to the shooter soon after news broke. So I, I saw this and I immediately asked how are we confirming any of this And I don't know that it's been confirmed. I don't know if you guys have seen anything confirming any of this information. Nothing.

[Shane Cashman]

I saw someone else said it was a 17 year old, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. So you know it was tough because when we're getting ready to when we're doing pre production obviously this is the big story right now we're wondering what the motivations of this individual was why they targeted a Christian school. It may be as simply as they attended the school. It may be ideologically motivated. We just really don't know. And rumors are flying as this is dominating the news cycle. But in front of that we can get into what the development is and we have this from Milwaukee Journal. Biden calls for tougher gun control laws after Madison Wisconsin school shooting at Abundant Life Christian School. Issuing a press release almost immediately after this which I find to be I'm sorry I call it despicable. Biden says we need Congress to act now. From Newtown to Uvalde, Parkland and Madison, so many other shootings that don't receive attention. He says Jill and I are praying for all the victims today including the teacher and teenage student that were killed and those who sustained injuries. He says we can never accept census violence that traumatizes children, their families and tears entire communities apart. I just want to throw out there as we're getting going Biden where was your statement after the CEO was shot in the back by a deranged ideologue, allegedly. I think it's rather interesting that when it's cold blooded murder in public, Democrats are nowhere to be found, except for those saying, well, murder is wrong. But, yeah, then when you get a tragedy like this, which of course is a tragedy, Democrats pop up immediately and try and push for these laws.

[Tim Pool]

It's very frustrating that they immediately go to the politically useful topic, which is gun control, and, and ignore. And when it comes to people that they are ostensibly aligned with or people that ostensibly align things, the left thinks they're silent. When Joe Biden's son breaks the law and commits a felony on his. On a 4477, the form you fill out to get a gun, he lies on the form, he pardons him, so that way he doesn't have to deal with the consequences. It's disgusting. It's absolutely par for the course, though. It is not unexpected. It is exactly what you would anticipate goes to a Christian school, which people will argue that Christians are not. Not targeted. And again, I'm an agnostic, so, like, it's not like I'm the guy that's like, oh, you're attacking me because I, I don't identify as a Christian, but, like, you're attacking Christians. And the only thing they have to say is the guns. Right? The fact that the LGBTQ lobby has been as anti Christian and going after Christians, the. The. As long for. As long as they have the whole. The cake, the cake maker in Colorado, that was not about cakes. That was all about getting back at Christians because they hate Christians. They feel. The LGBTQ lobby feels like they've been persecuted by Christians and they feel like now's the time for us to get them back. And this is the same kind of attitude. And I think it's disgusting that no one in the Democrat side will even address the realities of the situation. The only thing you hear is, well, you know, gun control.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, well, Biden, he, he implied that Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist after the Kenosha shooting with absolutely zero evidence whatsoever. You know, just because he had some posts that supported Donald Trump, like, okay, so then they make that leap. And it's just terrible to see these kinds of tragedies get turned into these political issues that, you know, just trying to score points.

[Shane Cashman]

Politicians love turning dead children into human shields for their policy. That's their favorite thing.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, no sympathy for CEOs. I get it. You know, a teacher And a kid is there. Look, I'm sorry. I think life is valuable. Life is precious. Individuals have their more worth. But children being killed is substantially more heinous than an adult individual. But I look at both of them like there's weight to these. We try to figure out what we as society are supposed to be doing and how we should react to these situations. I don't believe that gun control is the appropriate response, but I do. I will stress that when it is alleged that a deranged leftist murdered a CEO for insane reasons that make no sense, there's not a peep. They don't care at all. Bernie Sanders comes out, and once again, you got Elizabeth Warren saying, look, you know, it's bad, but people can only be pushed so far. Bernie Sanders defends her. I think he defended her twice now, saying, look, of course she's not condoning murder, but the people in this country, I'm like, stop saying that. These are unrelated. The issue of a CEO being shot in the back and killed is totally unrelated to the issue of healthcare. When Bernie and Warren say, but people can only be pushed so far, they're literally saying that they believe the assassination will make a difference in healthcare, that people are targeting them to make a difference. It won't. It makes no difference. Charlemagne, the guy. Did you hear what he said about this?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

He was like, I don't understand why they're celebrating this. It's some father who died. Nothing changed. Prices aren't going down. Health care isn't changing. Literally everything stayed the same, except that some dad, some guy who is a father of two, is just dead. Why are you celebrating this?

[Richie McGinnis]

And now they just have more security.

[Ian Crossland]

More security, less transparency. So my point ultimately, is these people are deranged ideologues. This. The fact that they dumped this political statement out so quickly is shockingly offensive. I'm not surprised Biden is. He's fried. He's selling off the border while Trump's calling him out over this. These people are despicable.

[Shane Cashman]

They don't care about kids. This is so fake.

[Tim Pool]

To me.

[Richie McGinnis]

They.

[Shane Cashman]

If they cared about kids, they wouldn't want to cut off their genitals. Like, they literally sacrifice their children all the time. And they use this as a. As a, you know, an example to set the policy of taking the guns away, which is what they do want to do. They don't want you to be armed.

[Tim Pool]

How many like you, how many abortions are carried out every year?

[Shane Cashman]

Dude, it's a stupid amount.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, is.

[Shane Cashman]

One is too Much.

[Tim Pool]

Is it millions? Is it actually millions?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, I think it's, it's millions.

[Tim Pool]

No, I, I don't, I haven't looked at that. But I mean there's not a, you know, the Left is pro.

[Ian Crossland]

73 million worldwide.

[Tim Pool]

73 million abortions per year carried out and there are 1 million.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There are roughly 10,000 murders with firearms in the year, in every year in the United States. We don't hear about Chicago and you don't. Yeah, and it's, it's, it is. The Democrats have such a warped view of the, or the left, let's call it the left, because I would like to see the normal Democrats come back. But the left has such an absolutely, disgustingly warped view of the world. They literally believe evil is good and good is evil. It's, it's as flipped upside down as you possibly can be. And I think that there have been signs for this for a long time. I mean when, when Michelle Wolf, I think her name is, when she did the shout your abortion skit on some, I think it was on Colbert show.

[Ian Crossland]

I thought it was on her show.

[Tim Pool]

Was it on her show?

[Ian Crossland]

She had a show.

[Richie McGinnis]

It got canceled shortly.

[Ian Crossland]

Right? Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean that was repugnant. And I was talking to a Democrat trying to explain to this person, I was like, listen, I understand that you care about, you know, you care about a woman being able to have the choice to have an abortion or not. I get it. But don't you see that the people that are working against you, the right, the pro life people, when they see Michelle Wolf doing shout your abortion, they think that woman is a literal ghoul in the actual dictionary definitional terms of, of what a ghoul is like celebrating death. That's exactly what she's doing. And then they tell us, they tell us that we're supposed to, to be like, oh, you have to get rid of your guns. Even though the people that, the people that legally own guns in the United States are the most law abiding citizens in the country. Of all the groups that you could possibly, all the different ways that you could possibly group people, the people that own guns and have firearms as a hobby or have them for self defense are the most law abid in the country. And those people have to give up their rights because someone took misused a firearm. Not, you know, and every person that's a gun owner would, would condemn it. Every single one. But then again, they'll go ahead and they'll, and they'll be like, look, you got to Be able to kill babies. And look, man, you. You gotta. You gotta understand that people are mad. So when you, when, when this guy shoots a CEO in the back like a coward, you gotta go ahead and you gotta give him a little leeway. It is the disgusting. The left in the United States is completely and totally feels completely and totally free to say the most atrocious, heinous, vile, evil things. Just go to blue sky and look at the way they talk.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, dude, shout out to Alex Rosen for catching all those people.

[Richie McGinnis]

Absolutely.

[Ian Crossland]

But this is funny. It's like when you, when you create a maga version of Twitter, like Parlor or Truth, they're all saying, like, no more bad things. We don't want bad people. We want accountability. And when you make a liberal version, it's a whole bunch of deranged fetishists and pedos all like, just.

[Shane Cashman]

It's look so like half of dc.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it's funny. I called the pool filter of modern society. It's good that it exists, and I'm glad they launched it because all of the refuse of. Is being filtered out of X. We don't. We don't. We don't need those weird lunatics over here, you know, we don't. We don't want none of that.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. It's crazy, though. They're bloodthirsty. Like what Phil's saying. They are. They have bloodlust. And you saying that makes me think of Chaz.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

These places you saw.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, they gave up the police precinct. Carmen Best, who was the first female and the first black police commissioner in Seattle's history, capitulated the east precinct to the protesters. And what was the first thing that they did after they took over the six block area? They created not. Not walls, but barriers. Put up barriers, and they put armed guards at the barriers. So the first night we were in Chaz, we interviewed a kid who. I'm not even kidding. You had a needlepoint. I have a photo of it in the book. A needlepoint belt that was holstering a Desert Eagle that was swinging around as he was swinging around. And I go, dude, that's a pretty interesting holster you got there. He's like, oh, yeah, my mom made it. I'm like, you couldn't even if I. If I made that up, you would say that there's no way.

[Shane Cashman]

Didn't innocent kids die at Chaz, or was that so?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes, at the end of Chaz, Chaz was shut down after not one, but two black kids, 19 and 16 years old were killed. And my question that I ask in the book is all these companies, major corporations that are based in Seattle, they're donating hundreds of millions of dollars to, to Black Lives Matter and related causes. Did they donate to those kids families?

[Tim Pool]

Of course not.

[Shane Cashman]

Of course not. Because they don't care about kids. They care about their favorite language, which.

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[Shane Cashman]

To obtain power.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, let's jump to this next story from James O'Keefe. While we're on the subject of Joe Biden being despicable, I think it's important to point out now in the earlier segment we were discussing Joe Biden calling for gun control, but Joe Biden is gone. He's gone. We have this video from James O'Keefe. Shocking undercover video. Quote, joe Biden is dead. National Security Council adviser inside the White House details. Biden can't say a sentence. Henry Appel, a former spy who currently works the Intelligence Program Programs Directorate for the NC NSC reveals we are concerned about Trump coming after us. We are trauma bonded. There were a lot of tears. Heavens me. Let's just play the intro and see what James can show us.

[Tim Pool]

Well, here's the Joe Biden is like candle.

[Ian Crossland]

She's like really like progressed in this. Holy. Everybody recognized. I can't believe it wasn't a bigger scandal. He'll be dead in a year.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Ian Crossland]

Henry Appel, an advisor for the National Security Council, Henry Appel shared that President Biden had called the NSC White House phone while on a foreign trip looking for NSC advisor Jake Sullivan. Henry told the President that in fact Mr. Sullivan was not at the White House but on the same foreign trip as President Biden. Kai Boss was on an international trip with him like in Europe or something. The phone rang in office and I was like, well Mr. President Henry, he was like, you stink there. He's like, no traveling with you. He's on the same trip that you are. In another encounter with President Biden, Henry Appel from the National Security Council revealed a phone call exchange. On the call, Biden was asking for NSC adviser Jake Sullivan. Henry told Biden that Sullivan had left the office for the day. Biden stated he would call Sullivan's personal phone instead. Biden called the same office 10 seconds later after for Sullivan again couple weeks ago. I was like, the last of the office, you're going to be called from my boss.

[Tim Pool]

And so I picked the phone and.

[Ian Crossland]

Said love is present. Like Henry on Jake's phone. He's left for the day but I can try to get it. I'm the one for you. He like asked me some questions. I was like, I don't know, like let me get the call the Secret Service detail. I'll try his like unclassified bond.

[Tim Pool]

Like then like 10 seconds later, same phone.

[Ian Crossland]

I picked it up again. I was like, hi again, it's Henry. He was like, is Nate there?

[Tim Pool]

I was like, no.

[Ian Crossland]

You called the same office. Henry Appel stated that President Biden did not understand basic words in meetings at the White House.

[Tim Pool]

Another time, my boss went in to brief them.

[Ian Crossland]

I heard the talking points. I said, like, oh, this is like a novel, phenomenal version. Like, it's like, it's new. Like, it hasn't been done before. Said it's like, novel. Like, what do you mean? Like a blue meanings of the word novel. Like, there's a lot more here. But I think the important thing that he said was, I'm surprised it wasn't the bigger scandal earlier. This is what's fascinating about the work of James O'Keefe. The undercover videos that Crowder has done. The corporate press is such a thin veneer at this point. You can see through it like, there's nothing even there. There's a guy standing in front of you, but we're looking right past him, and we can see Joe Biden has been gone for a long time. And the only reason it wasn't a scandal sooner is because. I got to be honest. I think collectively, all the Democrats just know they're lying.

[Shane Cashman]

Didn't believe Joe Scarborough.

[Ian Crossland]

No, look, I know that Joe Scarborough is a liar. I know that Joe Scarborough knows he's lying. But I think actually that the average Democrat voter.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Knows they're lying, too. And they're just saying it because they think that's what they're supposed to say.

[Shane Cashman]

You think it took up until that first debate with Trump for them to be like. For the average voter to be like, whoa, this guy is not right. Or do they know beforehand? I think not care.

[Ian Crossland]

I think most Democrats knew. And they're all, look, come on. There's this viral video where it's Ted Cruz, and I can't remember who he's talking to, but he asks about men and women's sports, and he's like, what is the purpose of women's sports? And she says something like, sports are a great way. And he goes, no, no, no, no, no. What is the point of women's sports? And then he pulls up a study, like a study was done in 2017 that found that women's records, blah, blah. And I'm like, wait, wait, guys, guys. We, as human beings of rational thought do. Do not need scientific studies to tell us men run faster, jump farther, lift more, et cetera, et cetera. These people know this, too. These Democrats know they're all just lying because they think that's what they're supposed to say to adhere to their cult. So that's the same thing with this. When he says, I'm surprised it wasn't a big, bigger scandal earlier. Well, yeah, you're in a cult, dude. It's a cult. They know the truth. They just won't say it. Yep.

[Shane Cashman]

I knew a guy who was in a cult, and they believed that you couldn't die. And then when someone did die, they went through all the mental loopholes of how to explain this way. He must have not been a true believer, all these things. But this is the same thing. You're in a cult, and all of a sudden this person is dead. We've known Joe Biden's dead, I mean, me personally, for 30 years. Maybe, maybe just a few years. But, like, it's been very.

[Ian Crossland]

But, but, but obviously right now, I think the. It's hard for me to say this. We have to draw the distinction between. We are saying he is figuratively dead.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm saying literally dead. No, no, no.

[Ian Crossland]

What I mean is because of the prospect of Joe Biden's old age, that he may be nearing the end of his life. I think it's important to stress we're talking about figuratively, is the quote. Because if you said to somebody that Joe Biden has died, they'll be like, well, yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he's gone. But what he's saying is. And again, I have to clarify, clarify this because Joe Biden may be not long for this world. I mean, no disrespect.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, he may. Almost makes you feel bad for him.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

Because I lost my dad to brain cancer and there's no nerve endings in your brain. And so when that's happening, you know, like, they're not really aware of it. Like, my dad would, like, you know, he'd, he'd take like a bottle off the ground and he'd like, he hadn't smoked in years and he'd like, try to smoke a water bottle, you know, like. And you're just, he has no clue what's going on. If you just. You feel bad for the guy, he's put in this situation.

[Ian Crossland]

Richie, I guess quick question. Who's running the country?

[Tim Pool]

Donald Trump.

[Richie McGinnis]

That's actually.

[Ian Crossland]

That's true.

[Richie McGinnis]

A bunch of bureaucrats. A bunch of bureaucrats is the answer.

[Ian Crossland]

No, but, but Trump is actually doing more as not president than Biden's doing as president internationally.

[Tim Pool]

He's there. The internationally countries are responding to Donald Trump as if he's in charge now. They're sure. The bureaucracies here in the US haven't started, you know, have there? Hasn't been the changes necessary. And there's. There's likely attempts by the Biden administration to do a little bit of hamstringing, like selling off the wall parts and stuff like that. But for the most part, like, the whole country is responding to Donald Trump as if Donald Trump is running the country because Donald Trump is running the country world.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, I think that also that question. I mean, so if you're, If Joe Biden isn't running the country and there are a bunch of allegedly smart people who are, then with. I went to the border in 2021, right after Biden got elected. They had contracts on that wall that they literally had already paid out, and people were just sitting in trailers while the wall was just rusting in a lot. And you have to ask yourself if there are smart people who are making those decisions, like, what is their agenda?

[Shane Cashman]

Collapse.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. I mean that. I don't have any other answer.

[Ian Crossland]

No. The Biden admin is selling off the border wall. They are intentionally sabotaging this country for pennies on the dollar. Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

It's intentional at that point. It has to be.

[Ian Crossland]

There's no question, because they're not making money. If it was like, we're at a budget shortfall. Let's sell this. They wouldn't just be giving it away. They're ripping apart. Trump talked about this in a press conference. He said, please Biden, stop doing this.

[Tim Pool]

This is reminiscent. And like, I'm not trying to make allusions to the worst people of the 20th century, but. And I'm not saying the Democrats are like the Nazis, but when you have a party that clearly has lost, you know, lost the plot by doubling down on the bad things that they're doing as opposed to doing good things. Like when the Nazis knew that they, they could either either stop killing Jews or, And, and hopefully, like, do, like, help their position in the war, they double down on killing Jews, like. And so, like, that's kind of what Biden is doing. It's like, he could stop doing things that hurt the country, but. And try and help with the transition. But instead he's decided to double down on doing things that hurt the country.

[Shane Cashman]

Whole career has been for evil. That's why I don't feel.

[Richie McGinnis]

So I'm for him.

[Shane Cashman]

Right. Like, he has been a career demon for decades. And I, I don't. I feel no sympathy for him at all. I think it's, you know, it's sad when it's old people outside of this guy, but this guy has. Look what he just, he just granted clemency to a judge who was selling.

[Ian Crossland]

Kids or the dude.

[Richie McGinnis]

Katie porn kitty. Sorry. Well, I guess I'm not allowed to say. Well, the dude with the right.

[Shane Cashman]

The Chinese.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes, dude. Tens of thousands. Yeah. The diddler.

[Shane Cashman]

So. And that's either Biden doing it. I don't think it is. I think it's a network of people behind Biden doing these things, but he has had a career of doing this.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you know, the, the. There's a big story that there's this. This Chinese national who had all these images of extreme and 47,000. And he gets. He gets commuted, his sentence commuted and he gets deported along with two others. They say this was part of a prisoner exchange which will bring back wrongly imprisoned Americans. And my attitude was kind of like, man, you know, I don't know. Let me ask you guys this question. If you were. I must. I'll say this. If I was imprisoned in China and the federal government said, tim, we're gonna get you out and we have to free this guy to do it. Like, no, I'm staying right here. Like, I don't know. What do you think? I don't know if that trade makes sense. That person is a demon. This is a guy with 47,000 images of child torture. Okay? And I'm saying that it's. I'm just gonna leave it at that. I don't know, man. I can't speak for the individual who was wrongly imprisoned in China, but if it were me, I'd be like, I.

[Richie McGinnis]

Am not accepting why do the Chinese want him? Is so like, what kind of compromising information does that guy have on maybe American citizens or something? Like, why do the Chinese want this guy with those kind of crimes back when they have a social credit system over there?

[Ian Crossland]

But here's the question for you guys. If you were asked, you're wrongly imprisoned in insert country, we can free you, but we have to release that guy to do it. Would you be like, yeah, do it. I want to come home. Or would you be like, no, I'm.

[Shane Cashman]

Getting out and I'm hunting him down.

[Richie McGinnis]

You can ask Sam tomorrow because he was in Syrian prison, so maybe he'll have a good answer for that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I mean, he's being sent back to China and we have no guarantees that this. I mean, the things that this guy had are crimes against humanity. The other guys were spies. So a prisoner exchange for spies. I kind of roll my eyes and I'm like, okay, fine. But the issue ultimately is. I don't know. I'll put it this way. I believe that Joe Biden actually did these things because there's compromising information on him with what they were doing and flying to China, Ukraine, Russia, all this stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Him or his family.

[Ian Crossland]

Him or his family.

[Richie McGinnis]

I mean, his is back against the wall. There's no other choice.

[Ian Crossland]

The. The. The judge who was selling kids.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So. So if that's another story, There was more than. There were multiple judges, I believe. Right.

[Shane Cashman]

It was a judge and some other person in authority.

[Richie McGinnis]

I don't.

[Shane Cashman]

It wasn't a judge, but. Yeah, in Pennsylvania.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it was a judge. I believe it was in. In Michigan.

[Shane Cashman]

Okay, there's another one then. Geez.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, this. Wasn't this the one that.

[Richie McGinnis]

Selling kids to the prison industrial complex?

[Ian Crossland]

So the story along. I don't know which one you pardoned, but the story was there have been several judges and there would be a kid who, I think one of the stores. They got into a fight in school. So when he got arrested, the judge said, off to juvie with you. And it was supposed to be something like a couple of weeks for getting to a fight, which still seems a bit excessive. Then the kid got in trouble in juvie, and the judge said, you're staying. And it was because the private prisons were getting paid to have these kids there. And then they were paying the judge to make sure the kids kept coming in the pipeline.

[Shane Cashman]

Same thing happened in New York. There was a judge in upstate New York got in trouble for the same thing about five or six years ago.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, blm. They're all, you know, oh, Trump is the worst thing in the world. And wait, what's the alternative here? And there was like a moment where we were in Philly in October and this one protester just spoke up. She was like, you're telling me that the author of the federal crime bill and the top cop, Kamala Harris, are your saviors? Are you kidding me? And it just goes to show, like the cult, the most motivating thing that I saw out on the ground was, yes, all cops are B words. But also, if they really wanted to get the crowd riled up, they'd say, what do you guys think of Donald Trump? F. Donald Trump. And everyone say, f Donald Trump. So that was the really unifying factor over anything else.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a cult. They have no logical unifying principle. They have a follow what the cult follows. That's it.

[Shane Cashman]

This is a good. Another good example of how the left, how they are right now, don't care about kids. Joe Biden has the opportunity to champion his Deceased son, Beau Biden, who went after literal pedophiles in. Oh geez, I'm spacing on the state now that they're from Delaware. Delaware, yeah. Not Alabama, but like horrible cases turned down being. I forget Senate, I think in that state to go after these people. You never hear Joe talk about that. He's did all this stuff to take care of really, really evil people. A pediatrician who hurt like thousands of kids in that state. And Joe only ever says he was a hero. He died at war, which is also a lie. You know, he didn't really die at war. That's a whole other thing.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, he probably said that because of.

[Shane Cashman]

Dementia, but yeah, and the clones start to decay. But like how, how do you not champion that if you cared about the well being of kids? Your son did a really great thing, didn't always win and do what I think could have been better in terms of punishment. But like, why does he not talk about that?

[Richie McGinnis]

Because he's commuting the sentence of judges who are selling kids into.

[Shane Cashman]

The dude is possessed.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's, let's jump to the story from the New York Post. This one.

[Richie McGinnis]

Oh boy, here we go.

[Ian Crossland]

Wild.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Prisoner is okay. So CNN film themselves freeing a prisoner. Now they say the guards did the freeing, but they were there providing food and water to this man. It is not being reported. The prisoner they helped free was actually a notorious Assad regime torturer. I did not have CNN accidentally commits treason on my 2024 bingo card.

[Shane Cashman]

They've been committing treason for 10 years.

[Richie McGinnis]

They interviewed Osama bin Laden.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, no, hold on again. I hate to be so pedantic, but insulting CNN and say that they betray this country with their lies is one thing. This is CNN's news crew literally providing aid and comfort to an Assad regime torturer reportedly and that is an enemy of the United States. The U.S. is aligned with the Free Syrian army and they are in opposition to Assad. We have criticized them and consider him an enemy. And they're providing aid to one of his Air Force personnel. And okay, look, let's be serious. They're not committing treason because they didn't know what they were doing. Okay, that says it accidentally a dang this guy. But it is hilarious because not one person at cnn, not Clarissa Ward, the reporter, her crew, or anyone at CNN stopped to be like, hey, I think this guy's lying.

[Richie McGinnis]

A little bit of vetting here.

[Ian Crossland]

His fingernails are totally clean cut. He has a well trimmed beard. His skin is totally hydrated. He's standing up. And walking just fine. He's claiming to have not seen light in three months, but he's looking up at the sky with no problem. Maybe this is a guy who's trying to escape from rebels by pretending to be somebody else. And they got him out.

[Shane Cashman]

I think they knew, dude.

[Tim Pool]

If you.

[Shane Cashman]

Have you guys all seen the video? When. When they say, turn off the camera for the shooting part to shoot the lock off the door, I was like, this is.

[Ian Crossland]

It's fake. This is. Because you can't do that.

[Richie McGinnis]

I mean, that stuff is all staged.

[Shane Cashman]

All you can see, there's a split second of what's her name? Ward off the. Just off to the side of the camera. When they're getting the blanket off the guy, she's acting. It looks so fake.

[Ian Crossland]

And she's yelling in English at him.

[Shane Cashman]

Come on.

[Ian Crossland]

Is anyone there? Hello? It's like, dude, you're in Syria.

[Shane Cashman]

Come on.

[Ian Crossland]

And then the guy stands up and he's like, I have not eaten or had anything to drink in five days. It's like, brother, it's not true.

[Shane Cashman]

He's reading lines off his palm.

[Ian Crossland]

My favorite line, of course, was, where's the poop? I remember that his prison, his prison cell had no poop anywhere. He's been left in there for five days. What's he doing holding it in?

[Shane Cashman]

No, good point.

[Ian Crossland]

That's. Well, it's not why Someone commented saying, where's the poop? And I'm like, that's a good question. So everybody was saying, it's clearly fake. There were a few funny posts where like, what are the chances this guy's like Al Qaeda and he's trying to escape. So he's masquerading. He's pretending to be a civilian. And the c. And CNN just helped him escape. Well, as it turns out.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, I lived in the Middle east and over there, everything is so tribal that you can hear a person's last name and know exactly what tribe they're from. You can see what they look like. There's an entire tribe of like, red bearded, ginger Syrians. And so it's like if they had to just maybe talk to somebody who's on the ground over there, an actual Arab, then maybe they would have learned the truth. But I guess vetting isn't a thing that CNN does.

[Shane Cashman]

It immediately made me think of Brian Williams saying his helicopter was shot down. Remember that story?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Unreal.

[Ian Crossland]

Someone super chatted saying that the guy may already be dead. Oh, the.

[Tim Pool]

The guy that was freed.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I don't know if that's true or not. It's just a super chat.

[Shane Cashman]

But blood's on CNN's hands.

[Tim Pool]

You know, he was, he was, he was. Here's what I think is someone, if.

[Ian Crossland]

He is, I think CNN are really, really. They're dumb people. But I just got to say, like, how does. There's no QA at cnn. I mean, I mean, come on, Richie.

[Richie McGinnis]

You'Ve made videos before. Well, I had to fight to correct the record. CNN, after Kenosha said McInnes supported the conservative claim that Rittenhouse acted in self defense. After my appearance on Tucker Carlson, I was like, I literally stated objective observations of why Kyle said he was there. And you're claiming that I'm a witness in the impending trial and you can have me on a correct the record or prepare for court. And they did have me on to correct the record, but I wouldn't even have been able to go on CNN if they hadn't have screwed up so badly.

[Ian Crossland]

Imagine what happened. CNN films this scenario that is so obviously fake. A child would be like, huh? They take the edit, hand it off to a producer or an editor who then watches and goes, whoa, Pulitzer.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, here we go. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And the boss and everybody, they were like, wow. And even Jake Tapper was like, look at that. Wow. And I'm like, bro, you expect me to believe that all of you are that stupid?

[Tim Pool]

There are no good guys over there, right? So the guy that's, that's in charge now is a former member of Al Qaeda, likely killed Americans. Assad has done horrible things to his own people. There are no good guys. So to go over there and behave like this, like just because they're in Assad's jail, they're automatically like someone that we should support or we should be happy that we fight, freed. We shouldn't. They should not have been there helping to get people and in any kind of capacity, helping to get people out. And as soon as the dude was like, oh, I'm going to shoot the lock off, I don't care what happened to the reality of it or not, they should have been like, see ya, we're out of here. Because there's no way of knowing who that guy was. At least when you're on the ground there, there's no way of knowing who the guy was. And because of the context, because of where they are and the things that have been happening for the past 15 years in Syria, he's likely a horrible, horrible monster. Whether he's on Assad's side or the.

[Ian Crossland]

Rebel side, I would just say to everybody out there, if you're in a small hallway that is 4ft by 5ft and someone with a rifle says they're going to shoot the lock off, please exit the building. And if it's happening in America, like, you might want to call for help or beg them not to do that. That's what they do in movies. That's not a real thing. We all saw the story of the journalist getting shot because those Democrats were firing rifles at steel plates from 15ft away, and the bullet fragmented, fired back, and hit the guy in the arm and he started bleeding. What do you think's gonna happen if you're in a tight hallway and you fire this rifle at a lock on a steel door?

[Tim Pool]

Look, man, I have, I have a picture on my, I think it's on my Instagram page, but I definitely put it up on X. I had a nice big gash on the bridge of my nose because I was shooting my rifle at my. On my property and I was shooting at steel and I was a little too close. I had my, my safety glasses on, but I took a piece of spa and it cut me right on the bridge of my nose and, and it was bleeding like mad. You don't shoot metal when you're like standing right there. You just don't do it.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't think they shot anything, though.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, like, I get it, but.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't think that because we don't hear it right. It just fades to black and then all of a sudden they're opening the door. I don't think. I mean, you're totally right, but this whole thing is staged and that says a lot about what. How they feel about the audience.

[Ian Crossland]

You think that CNN from the get go was in on orchestrating and playing it out?

[Shane Cashman]

I do, I do.

[Ian Crossland]

It's hard to. It's hard to reason otherwise because what the rebels bring in Clarissa Ward and say, yeah, we're doing all of these things, and she's just like, you got it.

[Shane Cashman]

And they think they can get away with it?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I mean, Richie, you've been on the ground a lot of various news stories. Do you think CNN was in on the thing the whole time?

[Richie McGinnis]

I think that CNN probably staged all of the things that we're talking about and played it up, but were too dumb to vet the guy.

[Ian Crossland]

And you think they did stage it?

[Richie McGinnis]

I think that they staged. Yeah. They like, basically that they were doing a dog and pony show and some. One of the guys on the ground was like, oh, yeah, come, come free this guy. He was like an insider and they.

[Ian Crossland]

Were like, we'll set it up, like you're freeing him. And they're like, yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

But I worked at Syrian support group in 2012 right after I graduated college and it was the only lobbying group licensed by the treasury to operate on behalf of the Syrian opposition. And I studied Arabic in college five days a week for an hour a day. I studied Middle Eastern history. And the moment that I decided I didn't want to do anything with my Arabic because I didn't agree with anything the government was doing over there was when I saw basically the the generals who were defecting for a secular government were not viewed as as powerful.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Richie McGinnis]

A forced to fight against Bashar al Assad. So we were funding through proxies like Saudi Arabia, these radical Islamist rebels like Jabhar Al Nusra, which became effectively ISIS a couple of years down the road. And I realized that whether it's the Israelis or the Americans or the Saudis, they would rather have the bad guy that they know a bunch of idiots running around with AK47 which give them an excuse to project their power into that Power vacuum rather than having an. Actually, I mean, does Turkey want a strong secular Sunni government? No, because it's a Sunni majority in Syria. Does Saudi Arabia want that? No. So do we want that? No. So they would rather have a power vacuum where now the Israelis are already moving into the Golan Heights and that's just, it's an opportunity for a power grab.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think that the, the situation in Syria, whoever is like the, or the rebels that are in charge, I think it's most likely that it's going to be a re. A recreation of the, of isis, of the Islamic State. You know, they, I wouldn't be surprised if they declare themselves the home of the Caliphate in the next five years.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, the timing is convenient too. I mean, right at the end of the Biden administration, you have to ask yourself of who were the people who really like, tipped the scale to make sure that Assad goes before Trump takes power.

[Tim Pool]

And I mean, I don't, I don't have a, I don't have a preference honestly, of Assad over, over the rebel groups. I don't know that one is better or worse. I mean, maybe Assad is better because Assad was at least was staying in his, his borders. He wasn't, look, he wasn't, I don't, to my knowledge, he wasn't attacking Turkey, he wasn't attacking Israel or the, or Lebanon. He wasn't attacking Jordan. So maybe he is better. If they are, if, if it is the like recreation of isis, I wouldn't be surprised to see them move west into parts of Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised to see the US have to send in covert, covert operators to try to, to defend US Bases that are still in Iraq because they're, you know, to try and limit their, their ability to, to, as I'm by they, I mean limit the ISIS's ability to, to expand and stuff. It wouldn't surprise me at all. So I don't, I don't, I don't think that helping Assad would have been a good idea, but I don't think it's a mess.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

And the borders.

[Tim Pool]

No good guy. That's what I said.

[Richie McGinnis]

Here's what I realized in studying the region and living over there is these borders were specifically drawn by the colonial powers. Not to have a national country with a collective identity, but to specifically divide up all the different sectarian groups and make sure that you split the Kurds in half. You give Saddam hussein, who's Sunni, 30% of the population in Iraq the power because he's a minority group. So he's going to say, sure, yeah, Brits, yeah, I'll work with you guys if you, if you give me the, Give me the power.

[Tim Pool]

Saddam wasn't in charge when they made it.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, not at that time, but. But it was the same principle that was applied. And Assad is a baath. That's just like Saddam, quote, unquote, secular. But with that being said, everything is tribal over there. And so it was all the Sunnis who get all the good government jobs. And this country was literally built not to function without a colonial power running it. And my question is, is, like, why is America inheriting all the sins of the British and French colonial empires? Like, why is this even our problem? So I just started working in American media because I was like, this ain't getting fixed. Not any time this millennium.

[Ian Crossland]

You think the Middle east is going to escalate in terms of war, crisis, World War Three, perhaps.

[Richie McGinnis]

I think that chaos under Trump's watch will benefit, you know, the people who just got voted out. So if you look at our unelected bureaucracy, who's running our intelligence agencies, I.

[Ian Crossland]

Would point to, yes, perhaps that's why they're selling off the border wall.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, that's probably why.

[Shane Cashman]

Unfortunately, it's just like shutting down the country for Covid and then, you know, blaming it all on, on Trump or, like, the job loss. Right.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, because he's a racist for talking about it coming from China.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

All the jobs.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I don't, I don't. I think that that was a happy side effect because it was like the whole world got shut down. It wasn't just the US like, like, countries all over the, like, most.

[Richie McGinnis]

We're supposed to be free.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trying to make an argument that it was the right thing to do. I don't, don't, don't misunderstand me. I'm just saying that it wasn't, it wasn't just the US that did it, because I don't want to think of it as in. As or. I don't want to articulate it as just a US Context, because it was the whole world. It wasn't just about Trump and the Democrats trying to shut down the country.

[Shane Cashman]

I feel that my opinion is it was about Trump and at the world.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, it also points to.

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[Shane Cashman]

I legit really believe it.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's a little more than.

[Shane Cashman]

Foushee and China and all these other places did conspire to shut down the world to get rid of the outsider politician.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't believe.

[Shane Cashman]

I certainly do.

[Ian Crossland]

But the. You see, I will tell you why you're wrong. Because the better conspiracy theory was that they were intending on the pandemic well before, before Donald Trump was even in office. So the conspiracy theory for a while was that Hillary was going to win in her second term, there was going to be a crisis. I don't believe that either. I think what likely happened is that Foushee was performing illegal gain of function research. It had been banned, and he was doing it through a third party, and that's why he lied about it. There was a crisis and a disaster, but, you know, that's just me.

[Richie McGinnis]

It wasn't gain of function. It was just a thing where you splice it and you kind of make it worse.

[Ian Crossland]

That that was function. Really amazing how Rand Paul says, Dr. Fauci, were you performing or funding gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology? We were not doing gain of function research. We were just taking the viruses and making them gain functions.

[Richie McGinnis]

Just cutting bats in half and making the terrible viruses. That's all we were doing.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, let's jump to this next story for the Post Millennial breaking. Trump tells Biden to stop auctioning off border walls. I'm asking today Joe Biden to please stop selling the wall. This is wild. It's come to the point where Trump has an emergency press conference where he's like, we're building a wall. We have the materials. Joe Biden selling them for five bucks for like a massive segment. Basically pennies on the dollar. It's extremely expensive. It's relatively expensive. I should say extremely, but relatively. You know, the government pays for it, which is basically you paying for it. I, I can only see this as the Biden administration, which is not really Biden because he's not there, but whoever is there is intentionally sabotaging this country. If Donald Trump was going, let's say this, let's do a score of minus 100 to positive 100. And that's like, you know, minus 100 as this country has fallen to garbage. And positive 100 is Golden City on the hill, Shining city on the hill. Right now we're at like a negative 60 something. It's a, it's bad. We got war. We've got crisis on the border. Trump, starting from that point, can only do so much to improve things. But we're excited. Joe Biden's trying to drag us down as much as possible before we get to the Trump administration, and I think it's because, as we've long said in the show, they are intentionally sabotaging this country.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, I think you're right. I traveled to the border multiple times during the Biden administration would fly a drone up and literally see the migrants coming through the gaps in the border wall. And when you talk to these people coming across the border, they expressly tell you, yeah, we're coming, because we heard that it's easy to get in here. So it's not even. I think, you know, a lot of the anger gets directed towards the people who are coming here illegally, but really, the signal that's been sent to the entire Third World is that, hey, you can come here. So can you really blame them for.

[Tim Pool]

Making that, like Biden said, surge the border in the. Like, in the debates?

[Ian Crossland]

This. So I don't know if this is true, but I heard this morning that these past four years saw the largest mass migration in human history. So I just did a quick Google search. The largest migration in history. It says UNHCR estimates 14 million Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims were displaced during the partition of India. They're estimating now, what, 15 million coming to the United States in the Biden administration.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. And when we went down, we went to Guatemala. I went with Jenny Treyer, who was working at the collar at the time, and we went to the Honduran border on the south. And the people that were coming over were not south. I mean, there were a lot of Colombians, a lot of Venezuelans, but these were people from Africa. I interviewed, like, a group of 20 Afghanis who had come over, and they go through Brazil, then they go up through the daring gap in. In Panama. And it's amazing to see over the course of. Just because I was at the border during the Trump administration, it was all Central and South Americans, and now it's people from everywhere. And Lord knows, like what these people. There's no background check. There's no way of knowing who they are. They don't even need IDs to get into the country.

[Shane Cashman]

I reported on the wall down at Yuma.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And I was getting letters from border agents who are like, we've been told just to stand down.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And they were saying this is an intentional collapse. And you can see at the border, at least where I was, they're just throwing their IDs out. It's like a lamp.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. They throw them right from everywhere.

[Shane Cashman]

Currency, all types of stuff. And then the. The agents are just letting it go down for sure. Like, that's what I literally saw. These people are walking up there with those little ladders. You see those little ladders?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, yeah. And I tried to climb the border wall.

[Shane Cashman]

It's.

[Ian Crossland]

It's.

[Shane Cashman]

It's tall.

[Richie McGinnis]

It is. It's a scary thing if you're up here. Yeah. And it does have slats. It does have slats.

[Shane Cashman]

It's tough. But they make these, like, makeshift ladders.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And they just come on over.

[Richie McGinnis]

Here's the thing. And it's funny, if you rewind back, like, to all the anti Trump media during. When Trump was trying to build the wall, they're like $30 billion. It's way too much money. And now we're looking at, like, with $30 billion is like I would spend two bucks at a coffee shop. And. And every single border agent that I talked to, hundreds, said the border wall would tremendously help with our effort. Because if you can just drive a vehicle straight over the border and then drive back, like, okay, a wall is going to make that a little bit harder. Everyone's like, you could dig tunnels. It's like, okay, but it's harder to dig a tunnel than it is to drive a car across.

[Shane Cashman]

And also, in Yuma, there's a. There's a reservation right next to it.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes. That's where everyone goes. There's no right.

[Shane Cashman]

Walk up to the wall.

[Richie McGinnis]

I literally flew a drone right over that reservation. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Or as James O'Keefe found, while they were trying to cut through the wall, there was a border patrol agent just sitting there watching and doing nothing. Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

It's almost like soft TSA because you show up, they take your. They got tags for your luggage. You got a van waiting for you, you got bottles of water. The Porter Potty is right there.

[Richie McGinnis]

There's nonprofits who are all putting you up in housing, and then they're. They're putting you on a plane for the plane.

[Shane Cashman]

Yes, exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude.

[Shane Cashman]

It's insane.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I. I just. I need. I need this question answered because I've been very critical of CBP for a long time for facilitating child sex trafficking. It's disgusting. It is an atrocity. And the question right now is, yeah, all of that, of course, persists. I want answers. I think Trump should arrest those agents who knew what they were doing. I don't care. Anybody who dares come to me and says they were just following orders. When these agents see the number on the little girl's arm, a little boy's arm, and they know what they're doing, I Don't care who you think you are, following orders, you facilitate trafficking, you are the trafficker. You go to jail for that. But I digress.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, look what happened to the border agents who are actually trying to stop people in Texas. And they were whipping.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Richie McGinnis]

The migrants. And, you know, so that's what happens. Try to stand up, do the right thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump's coming in in 36 days. The question I have now is, who are these agents who are facilitating the sale of our border wall? In 36 days or less, Donald Trump is going to be in office and he's going to be saying, I want my wall back. These guys know this. They know the American people voted for a secure border. They know that Donald Trump is coming in in a month and wants a secure border. And they're saying, well, you know, I'm ordered to sell off the wall. Better start doing it.

[Richie McGinnis]

It's my orcus. I mean, I talked to Rodney Scott, who is the chief of the Border Patrol during the Trump years, and he was as pro wall as anybody has ever been. And so Biden came in and he switched out the leadership and he ensured that they were people who, you know, shared. I guess it's not even his view, but the view of whatever people are trying to sabotage our country.

[Ian Crossland]

I think any Border Patrol agent that in any way helps facilitate the sale of these walls should be terminated immediately by Donald Trump once he gets into office. He should be going to whoever's running Border Patrol and say, who are the guys that were helping Biden's off the wall? Was it. I don't care if you're an entry level, lowest level guy, all the way to the top. Fire all over.

[Richie McGinnis]

20, I think 26,000.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's gonna. It's gonna be like a dozen or so that are part of this sale. You know what I mean? It's not going to be like thousands.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, well, because there's cbp, which is the Customs and Border Protection. That's the ports of entry, like airports and all that. Border Patrol is actually. CBP is like twice as big as the Border Patrol. Well, which is crazy to me.

[Ian Crossland]

I believe CBP is overseeing the sale. I could be wrong.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's just say this. If I'm getting the agency wrong, forgive me, CBP was involved in the trafficking. Any federal worker anywhere that is helping Biden sell off the wall should be terminated immediately. Don't get me wrong, Doge is going to fire a lot of these people as it is. I'm excited for that. I also want to Give a shout out to Elon Musk for actually getting a department called Doge.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes, Dogecoin is bumping in 2018. I was like, doge, it's. It's going to bump. Qanon and Doge. Those both are going to bump.

[Shane Cashman]

Do you think they're selling off the wall to try to make it look like the Berlin Wall pieces? Like, is this their thing? Is that what they're.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they're sabotaging the country.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, that for sure.

[Richie McGinnis]

Why don't you put up. Why don't you put up some border wall around the compound?

[Ian Crossland]

I was like, I'll buy some. You know, why not?

[Tim Pool]

That would be kind of sick.

[Richie McGinnis]

It's tough. I tried climbing it. It is not easy.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. I mean, if you bought some actual border wall and put it up around here and was like, no, it's legit. Part of the border wall that Biden was.

[Richie McGinnis]

Was auctioning off, the wall does go down. Like, it goes down like 10ft. And then also they have. Everyone's like, oh, you can just cut through it. They have motion sensors. So if somebody is cutting through it, they can pick up on.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it's, it's steel. Concrete with rebar in concrete.

[Richie McGinnis]

They pour concrete into the actual steel. Yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a pretty beefy thing. That's why it's ridiculous. They're selling it off.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

But I, I hope these guys get fired and I hope they regret it.

[Richie McGinnis]

In Yuma, they had the double wall. So they had that. They had a wall and then they had another wall. So then there's a corridor that the border patrol can travel through and the canal. Yeah, whatever.

[Shane Cashman]

Canal. But like.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, that's the Rio Grande and then. Yeah, it is.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I think the big mistake Trump made was not bringing the alligators into the, into the river.

[Richie McGinnis]

Oh, that was.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they should, like anyone.

[Ian Crossland]

I think he was joking about that, but the media reported, like, he was serious.

[Tim Pool]

Any of the, the border guards that, that are found, that have been found to, to do that stuff, they should all be investigated for assess accessory to child trafficking.

[Ian Crossland]

If child driving 100.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they should be investigated if, if they, if they saw a kid with a number on its arm and they called that number. You're assisting child trafficking. There should be. And there should be an investigation. And if they're found guilty, they should all be punished with. To the, to the fullest.

[Shane Cashman]

There's a guy with a lettuce farm right there on the border in Yuma.

[Richie McGinnis]

Who had a lettuce down There.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Walk alone with the numbers. Where do those kids go? She has so many missing kids right now. Because of Kamala.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, absolutely. 100%. I like it. Like, these people shouldn't be afraid for their. Their jobs. They should be afraid that the new DOJ is going to find out that they were accessory to child trafficking and throw them in jail. And honestly, you should investigate Mayorkas. If he knew. Investigate him. Toss him in jail. Like, investigate them all. And if they have been found to help transport children, you know, to help traffic children, put them in jail. We have laws against this. We have a judicial system, and we haven't. And we have a Justice Department that can investigate time to use them for good as opposed to using them for evil.

[Shane Cashman]

It's funny that Biden's doing this now because his president Obama was the deporter in chief and he got rid of so many, and now he's, like, reversing all this.

[Ian Crossland]

Do I. I think this is what Cash is going to do. I think one of the reasons Cash is going to have an easier time getting confirmed is because he's not one of these, you know, pro Trump guys who says, abolish the FBI. And there are a lot of people saying that. No, Cash was like, let's take the intelligence component out of it. Make these guys go solve crimes. Like, there's 7,000 guys. Go be the good guys and solve the crimes and stop the murderers and the rapists.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, they foiled the Whitmer kidnapping. So, I mean, come on. That's. That's.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm excited for. For. For Cash Patel at the FBI.

[Richie McGinnis]

I played hot. I played hockey with Cash. Cash Patel. He's. He's. He's a. He's a grinder. He.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, he's good.

[Richie McGinnis]

He's not afraid to step up at the blue line, I can tell you that. Or take a head high. Clapper.

[Ian Crossland]

Was he on your team? Like, I literally.

[Richie McGinnis]

I watched him play at an undisclosed location within the last seven days and had a resounding. Yeah, Resounding victory. They won by double digits.

[Ian Crossland]

He's. He's on a hockey team.

[Richie McGinnis]

He's on a hockey team? Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Secretly.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. He plays defense. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I played hockey when I was a kid, and he's.

[Richie McGinnis]

He's. He definitely. He's not afraid to get his elbows dirty. And I've talked to guys on his team, and everybody says that he's. You know, you really get to know a guy when you play hockey with him.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

I mean, you're literally showering with the dude. So. But they all have good planet. Well, you stink after the game. You got it.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, private showers.

[Richie McGinnis]

I mean, that's my favorite part to be having a beer in the shower, talking with the boys, I guess.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, let's jump to this next story. We have this from NJ.com drones reported above New Jersey nuclear power plants, New York airport officials say. And all this alongside this story from the Daily Mail. Mystery is radioactive shipment goes missing in New Jersey amid drone invasion. The rumors circulating right now are that these are special nuclear radiation detection drones that have been deployed to either search for missing nuclear materials or dirty bombs or it's a test. There's a viral threat from some random guy. No, it's anonymous account saying that these are HPG drones designed for tracking radiation and they're being deployed at night intentionally for a few reasons. I don't know if this is from the threat exactly, but others have said that the temperature differential at dusk, anything that's sitting in the sun that heats up. When the sun goes down, the surrounding environment cools off. But the metal object may retain heat, making it easier to see with thermal imaging. However, this individual said it's intentional. The US government is testing radiation detection drone technology and they need to know what the public will do if they launch these drones without telling them. So they're trying to see what the public reaction will be, which is why they're intentionally saying we have no idea what's going on, but we all know they do.

[Richie McGinnis]

Or they're just testing out what the public will do if there's an alien invasion or an alleged alien invasion.

[Ian Crossland]

But these things are no like they're just not alien. You know what I mean?

[Richie McGinnis]

No, clearly not alien.

[Shane Cashman]

But people think they are and that it's like the Voltron of conspiracy theories.

[Ian Crossland]

These things have faa, whatever you want.

[Shane Cashman]

It to be, it's that it's a Rorschach test. If it's the blue. If it's Project Bluebeam, it's Project Blue.

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Northwoods.

[Shane Cashman]

It's Northwoods. False flag. If it's the government testing on. It's everything. I personally, I've been thinking about this a lot and I think it's like the new Mothman prophecy. People in West Virginia in November of whatever that was 60s. No, maybe in the 50s, saw something flying in the sky and then it caused hysteria and the whole town went crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, there's a little bit more to it. Well, yeah, there was. People were reported seeing a 6 foot tall figure with glowing eyes standing off the side of the road and everybody. What could this thing be? Do you know what they. They believe it is?

[Shane Cashman]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

The Mothman?

[Richie McGinnis]

Bigfoot? No.

[Ian Crossland]

They think that it was in the dark because of the proportions of owls. A specific owl.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

It looked like it was far away. I looked. It was up close or what is it? No, no, no. It looked like was far away, was up close because the size of the head and the body and the eyes. People were seeing an owl close to the road. They thought it was a larger figure farther away in the silhouette and then started reporting this monster.

[Shane Cashman]

Whatever it was though, it caused a panic in people and people wanted to shoot out of the sky. Everyone started seeing it. And if you read these stories and what people are going through, even just politicians in Staten island saying we want transparency or we're going to start shooting these things down, there's like a psychic trauma happening and people do believe. It's whatever horrific thing you believe in, it's that since there's no transparency, every theory is now accelerated and you can believe anything.

[Richie McGinnis]

That's what they want.

[Shane Cashman]

Every one of these things. Luigi was that everything is a Rorschach testing and it's, it's the, the thing where whatever you believe in, it's now that and you can believe in that fear.

[Ian Crossland]

I, I'll tell you what I think, all right. I don't believe the nuclear dirty bomb conspiracy theories. People are saying like, oh, a nuke got stolen from Ukraine and now they're panicking. I don't believe that. Some people are saying it's gonna be a false flag attack, there's gonna be a bomb going off and they're gonna blame Iran and say they were searching for the whole time. Don't believe it.

[Richie McGinnis]

That's what Alex Jones.

[Ian Crossland]

That if, if that, if that like.

[Shane Cashman]

It could be likely.

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Shane Cashman]

Why. Why do you not think so?

[Ian Crossland]

Because if they want to false flag, there have to be preliminary warnings to, to prime the public to the threat of Iran. So if they launch these drones and they're flying around and these drones are doing nothing, they have FAA lights as per regulation blinking as they're supposed to. It does not look like a foreign. Why would, why would Iran care about our FAA regulations?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I don't think has to be Iran, but like it could be Russia. They've been stoking fears on any other.

[Richie McGinnis]

How do you get a drone all the way across the now where are they being launched from?

[Ian Crossland]

That's why Jeff Andrew said a mothership. But the false flag. I say no, because if they were trying to false flag us. They would come out and be like, guys, we think they're gonna attack us. We are gonna launch drones. Oh, no. However, it makes more sense and this is slightly more plausible that there actually is a threat. And they're terrified to say this because it would cause an economic crash if the US Government came out and said, we have reasonable. We have intelligence that we can reasonably assess to be probable. At the very least, we are dispatching drones to search for any kind of terror device or weapons the Eastern seaboard evacuates. I mean, who's gonna stick around New Jersey when they're saying, yeah, there could be a dirty bomb somewhere in your neighborhood? People are gonna be like, a lot of people would leave. They would, they would stop spending money. So it potentially there. I'll tell you what I think.

[Richie McGinnis]

What about a psychological operation?

[Ian Crossland]

Perhaps. Perhaps the whole thing is they launch these drones and they, they're doing something to get a law passed. One argument, one of the conspiracies is that they launch the drones, they terrify people, and then say, we need drone detection and drone restrictions to stop the chaos. And people say people are demanding it. I think it's. I'll tell you what I think it is. I think it's all of it. Not so much like, in a sense of what you're saying, it could be whatever you want it to be. Shane, I think hobbyists are flying drones.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

It starts with somebody launches a drone. For some reason, perhaps the government is doing something. That's it. A small program with 10 drones flies around. They're large and they're doing a test on them. Some people notice, they grumble. The next day, a few other people fly some drones. They're. They're commercial. You can buy them at Best Buy. Every Best Buy's got different, like four or five different variations. The big ones freak people out. Likely a government test or university test or something like this. But they're legal.

[Richie McGinnis]

FAA or DJI Inspire. The Inspire. The biggest DJI drone is huge. It's like this big and it goes like 85 miles an hour.

[Ian Crossland]

They're saying they're seeing six foot by six foot drones.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, this one's like three foot, three and a half foot wide.

[Ian Crossland]

So let's say a small handful of large drones doing some kind of test or operation for the government or corporation. People freak out by seeing them for the first time. And those are massive. And they report them, start spreading rumors like, I saw these crazy drones. People start looking up and seeing commercial drones. They start Reporting commercial drones. Stupider. People look up at the moon and see the corona and go, what's this giant ring in the sky? And report more. Now you've got mass hysteria. So I certainly think something is happening. I'm saying this because. Because people like Michael Tracy said, you know, look, I'm not trying to be. I'm trying not to be biased, but I went out there and that is weird. Whatever it is I was seeing flying around is not a normal drone. So I believe it is happening, but I believe mass hysteria is playing up something that's probably not as big a.

[Shane Cashman]

Deal, and people are taking advantage of it, like pranksters who are like, well, let's throw our own drones up in the sky. It's just like after shootings happen, all of a sudden there's manifestos, and you got the wrong manifesto. You believe in this.

[Ian Crossland]

It's happening now. It was with that. With that. That. That school shooting that just happened. People are already spreading a fake manifesto.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, these are. Because it's. It's a form of accelerationism. Whether they know it or not, they're participating in accelerationism by. It's like when the New Zealand shooting happened and they had that manifesto, that person knew that that manifesto would be read by the right and blame it on the left and read it, and the left would read it and blame it on the right. And that's what a lot of these things.

[Richie McGinnis]

I mean, livestream the whole thing.

[Shane Cashman]

Yes. Yeah. And this is a form of accelerationism, which is what's happening with the drones, you know, but all of these things.

[Richie McGinnis]

But Trump's not allowed to have a drone over his rally because it was.

[Shane Cashman]

Denied that we have the drone narrative.

[Richie McGinnis]

And it's like, I literally can take a 30 drone and do better.

[Shane Cashman]

When Trump says he knows what the drones are, I'm fairly positive is because Peter Thiel and Elon Musk know what. What they are. They must know.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, Palantir. It's. They're probably Palantir drones. They literally just ran. They ran an ad during the Army Navy game about killer drones suicide. I saw that ad.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, of course.

[Richie McGinnis]

It's like, what did I just see? What I think I saw?

[Tim Pool]

I just. I just saw this on. On Twitter. Fate and Twitter user Peachy Keenan pointed this out, and it's actually a good point. Faking a nuclear attack would accomplish a lot. Emergency war powers. Inauguration canceled and possible Russia or Iran. So not. Not saying that I think that this is the case, but, I mean, you know, if you're going to put on your tinfoil hat. That's a legitimately compelling argument. If, if you're, if you're of the opinion that the deep state will do anything to keep Donald Trump from actually.

[Shane Cashman]

Read the operation Northwood, Northwood's papers from 1962 where they planned to harm American citizens and blame it on Cuba and what Tim saying with drone airplanes. Right.

[Richie McGinnis]

If it's a controlled airplane, if it's.

[Shane Cashman]

A false flag, why not pepper it in now? But like, the narrative has been set that these are our enemies. I don't know if while the drones there, they would say, you know, I'm just guessing here, but I don't know if they would say that, like the drones are here, we're searching for Iran, Iranian or Russian dirty bombs or something. Well, there would happen and then they'd blame it on whoever they picked. Even though we planted it, like what was supposed to happen in Northwoods. But there's been multiple types of Northwood events throughout the years.

[Tim Pool]

So I didn't see, see, I don't, I didn't save the tweet or anything, but I did see a tweet that there was nuclear material that was lost.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. In Ukraine.

[Tim Pool]

That's one of those stories here in the U.S. in New Jersey.

[Ian Crossland]

And the community, community notes response was that it's radioactive, but so relatively low that it doesn't have any like, use there.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, people, the, the actually, I mean, so fair enough that it couldn't actually do something do harm, but the psychological effect would still be dramatic.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, you'd still have people panic and still have people saying, oh, no, there's. We have to be worried about radiation. I mean, look what happened, you know, over Covid.

[Ian Crossland]

If in the next couple of weeks they come out and announce we are engaged in a drone operation to detect nuclear material, there are concerns of potential retaliation from our enemies. We kept this under wraps because we did not want to cause a panic. But if in any way they report that or a leak happens and a journalist at ABC says we have documents showing the government is looking for nuclear material, then I would start to believe that maybe there either is going to be an attack or a false flag. You know, I lean more towards attacks being real. Some people live in the world where they think false flags are always the more likely. I think they're the less likely.

[Shane Cashman]

False flag doesn't mean it's a fake attack.

[Richie McGinnis]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

Like there's.

[Ian Crossland]

But I'm just saying, like, if an attack happens, I'd be more inclined to believe it literally. Was Russia or Iran as opposed to the US government doing it. But I don't put it past the US Government because of Northwest.

[Richie McGinnis]

But what's the geopolitical calculation there for a Russia or Iran to carry out that kind of attack? Like you know, how is that going to benefit them?

[Ian Crossland]

There's so the math here can go either direction. If Russia attacks the U.S. the and I don't know that Russia would directly attack the US that doesn't seem to make sense. But the logic would be they want to shock the public into rejecting the Ukraine war. But it could also go the complete inverse. Oh no, we've been tech, now we have to get involved. So that's why it doesn't. Doesn't necessarily make sense. One of the arguments often made for why a country would preemptively strike another is to deter them and shatter public support for any kind of involvement. So mass civilian death one would argue would lead people to say like why are we getting involved in war? We don't want this. Even after 911 there was a massive movement against any involvement in Iraq or Afghanistan.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

But I think with the United States.

[Richie McGinnis]

Pearl Harbor.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. If you, if there was known him.

[Richie McGinnis]

That fleet was coming.

[Ian Crossland]

If a bomb went off in the U.S. this country is going to be like bang the war drums.

[Richie McGinnis]

The majority of Americans after even in the wake of Pearl harbor. It was such an isolationist country at the time.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Richie McGinnis]

They were still against getting involved in the war.

[Ian Crossland]

However, I don't know that Iran could be accused of being strategic or intelligent in these regards.

[Richie McGinnis]

Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

And there are a lot of elements in the Middle east we've seen with things like 911 where there are people across the Middle East. Whether you think it was direct Saudi involvement. We know Saudis were involved but I mean like governmental involvement or whatever who are going to want to carry these things out. Let me put it this way. You don't need a conspiracy theory. Why allegedly did that guy shoot the CEO of that health care company? It clearly didn't do anything to stop the problems of the health care industry. But it makes them feel good. These people are deranged and they want to strike at a symbol and they want to feel like they're doing something. So if there wasn't tech in this country it could be as simple as extremist groups in the Middle east or Russian sympathizers or outright Russians are basically saying America needs to be taught a lesson and we don't care what the results are going to be or the ramifications. It's hard to know for sure.

[Tim Pool]

When it comes to, when it comes to Russia though, Russia benefits from chaos in the U.S. so if they, if they, the more, you know, discord they can sow in the US the better they like it. So they don't have, there doesn't have to be like a side they're helping. All they want is to have Americans fighting Americans. That, that's a benefit to Russia.

[Shane Cashman]

It's part of accelerationism. It's like, didn't the Russians pull off that kind of psyop where they had people fighting online and they actually ended up going to the protests and all the seed was Russia planting on both sides of the argument and it went into the real world and there's, I.

[Richie McGinnis]

Mean, look at all the, all the protests that anti Israel protests that happened over the summer. I mean, it's in the United States. Like that's exactly what our foreign.

[Shane Cashman]

And the country has a great cover right now for all types of crime, having open borders, having the prisons open during COVID all this stuff. So it's like you could blame it on anybody.

[Ian Crossland]

This is a challenge. If a bomb were to detonate in Northern Jersey that, I mean, a dirty bomb could contaminate the area and kill tens of thousands or more, would you guys support war?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

If, if, if Iran came out and said, we, the great nation of Iran have stricken at the heart of the United States as a sign that when you, we, we are everywhere, we are all at once and if you come for us, we will come for you and it'll happen again. Would you support intervention war?

[Tim Pool]

Well, it would, it wouldn't be. I wouldn't classify it as intervention. I would classify it as retaliation. I don't imagine or say incursion as. I'm sorry, I wouldn't want to see, I wouldn't want to see American boots on the ground. But I would be like, look, if you want to go ahead and take out Iran's ability to, to attack us like that, because I do believe the US Intelligence apparatus has a, at least a solid handle on where Iran's military bases are and where those kind of attacks centrifuges.

[Richie McGinnis]

The Israelis had a virus that literally sabotaged.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, if you just.

[Richie McGinnis]

They're on top of that stuff.

[Tim Pool]

So I mean, if there were an attack that were claimed, if Iran attacked the United States and claimed the attacks and we did that, then I would have no problem with the U.S. you know, having airstrikes. No problem.

[Richie McGinnis]

But they said there were like metal tubes over there and that they were WMDs? Like, what if our government was telling us that and that we needed to unilaterally invade the country?

[Tim Pool]

And I wouldn't.

[Ian Crossland]

I wouldn't support boots on the ground. Yeah, I would. I would. I would not.

[Richie McGinnis]

I'm similar to any kind of.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. I support zero actions in Iran pertaining to what they might do. Don't care. Don't. Nope, not doing that.

[Richie McGinnis]

I mean, look what happened. So they. The CIA deposed Mosaddegh, who was popularly elected in 1954, I think it was. And they literally came in with machine guns and cash and they put the Shah in power. And then look at the downstream effects that happen.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they do it a lot.

[Richie McGinnis]

I mean, how did that work out? You know, backlash or isis. You know, they depose the Iraqi military. They're all Sunni, and then all the Shias come out in the streets and they start killing the Sunnis because we're bringing democracy to a 60% Shia country.

[Tim Pool]

So are you saying if the. If the US Was attacked directly by Iran and they claimed that we should do nothing?

[Richie McGinnis]

I just don't envision that that would be a scenario just given. Well, but power.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, sure, sure. Agreed.

[Ian Crossland]

It's extremely unlikely they would. But let's say they do. Let's say. They say the United States has long supported Israel, who has committed crimes, blah, blah, blah. We want the American people to know that we will not tolerate their continued support for war where we live. And we will bring war to where you live, regardless of the outcome. And they take credit for it. And they explain how they did it. You would say.

[Richie McGinnis]

I would say fortify the borders and make this country better. And let's not focus on putting 500,000 troops on the ground in some patch of desert. Let's focus on domestic oil.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know that you would have to put 500,000 troops on the ground to be at war with that country.

[Richie McGinnis]

Halliburton builds all the barracks and stuff over there.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not saying they wouldn't.

[Richie McGinnis]

To get the military industrial income.

[Ian Crossland]

I just think that's. That's a really hard press. Like, dude, in a scenario where Iran or Russia or any other country admits to detonating a nuclear device in the United States, like, we're at war. Sorry. It's just like. I don't know how you get around that. That's.

[Richie McGinnis]

Let's. Let's. Let's rewind and let's.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think. I think the probability of that is like 10 billion.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, let's use Afghanistan for example, like we. I was in sixth grade on 9 11. That's largely the reason why I decided to study Arabic from a suburb right outside New York. But what did we achieve in 20 years in Afghanistan? So everybody was all for Afghanistan, didn't do 9 11. Well, exactly. Well, that's a whole nother can of worms. That's why I clarify we trained the mujahideen. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And that's why I clarify the point in the event where the leadership of the nation admits to it, gives a reason for doing it, explains what they did and why they did it. That's basically a declaration of war on us already. And what do we do? I mean, I'm not saying we invade their country.

[Tim Pool]

The mission in Afghanistan should have stopped May. What? May 12th.

[Ian Crossland]

It shouldn't have been a mission in Afghanistan.

[Tim Pool]

Well, all right. So that. If that's your, that's your take, that's fine. My. As far as I, as far as my opinion is, the day after they killed Osama bin Laden, the US should have packed up and left.

[Ian Crossland]

He was in Pakistan.

[Tim Pool]

I understand that. I'm just. The point being, the ostensible reason for being in Afghanistan was to find and kill or capture Osama bin Laden. Once that goal was achieved. I don't care where they found him. Once that goal was achieved, they should have packed everything.

[Richie McGinnis]

You know, when they packed it up. They packed it up after fentanyl replaced opium as the opiate of the mass.

[Tim Pool]

That is okay.

[Richie McGinnis]

That is when that. And it was Vietnam before that.

[Tim Pool]

That's fine. That you, you may be right. And I'm. But my point is, you asked my opinion.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

My opinion is after Osama bin Laden was killed, the US should have packed up everything in Afghanistan and gone home. That's. You asked the question. That's my answer. Now I'm not.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Debating whether all the other stuff was right. The day that Osama bin Laden stopped breathing was too much and it shouldn't have been done. At least if you're going to enter into a military action and you have a tangible goal, when that tangible goal is achieved, you end the military operation. And that's how you keep the, the support of your people and you keep your people. You keep the faith that your people have in the government and military and.

[Richie McGinnis]

You take the military hardware back 100%. You don't leave the military hardware over there.

[Ian Crossland]

Absolutely. Your Air Force base.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, it was all, I mean, everything, Everything from the day after bin Laden died was an absolute travesty.

[Richie McGinnis]

I went to the White House that night. That was a wild night. The night that it was really. It was a. It was a party down there and that just to go. To show how much the White House has changed in. That was in 2011, I think that was. I was up in a tree in front of the six foot fence right in front of the White House. And now that six foot fence is 20ft and you're not even allowed within any. Within 100 yards of those trees. Yeah, the whole White House.

[Ian Crossland]

20.

[Richie McGinnis]

Insane. The new White House fence is wild.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. Since when?

[Richie McGinnis]

Since it happened, actually. Prior to all the BLM stuff. They were already under construction. It was completed in like 22. It's still being. I mean, it's crazy. It's really long. Yeah, it's huge.

[Ian Crossland]

We've been it. We were in D.C. a couple months ago, like eating and I just didn't go to the White House.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, well, you can't really see much anymore. You can't get closer than Lafayette Park.

[Shane Cashman]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, I used to skateboard along that fence. It was a great time back in the. Back in the glory days.

[Ian Crossland]

What about Russia? If Russia attacks a NATO ally, do you think we should get involved?

[Tim Pool]

I think that we don't have a choice, unfortunately. That's part of why I'm kind of like the US should get out of NATO or at least I think that we should, you know, look at getting out.

[Richie McGinnis]

At least I pay their fair share.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't think we can get involved. I understand the reason for defense and show force if we're attacked and it's that clear cut, but I don't even trust the clear cut news these days. But our military industrial complex, once they get a taste of war, they don't stop.

[Ian Crossland]

Like what Phil said, I'm for it 100%. Actually. I want them to clear war now because I'm really excited to see Dean Withers and Harry Sisson deployed to the front line. I am totally joking.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. Tim and I are aged out of the draft, seems like. Yep. Let's do it.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm going to be 39 in three months.

[Tim Pool]

They voted.

[Shane Cashman]

They voted for that war, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well, I, look, I have no idea what, what Trump ends up doing. I, you know, look at Cash Patel. He's not a abolish the FBI guy. He's a get it back on track kind of guy. And I respect that. Even though I think the FBI has largely been bad for a long time. Cash is being fairly moderate and I respect him. I think he's gonna do a good job, and I'm happy to see it. But there's a reality in the Trump administration where Trump does go to war. I am not. I do not live in this world where I think anti war means there will never be a war. And no matter what happens, the US should never be involved and we should ignore everything. That's ridiculous. I just think that what the US calls war since the end of World War II has been intervention for the sake of empire or.

[Richie McGinnis]

Or nation building.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Richie McGinnis]

Halliburton contracts.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And. And. And the petrodollar. And maintaining a liberal economic order in the event the United States was legitimately attacked. We have a. We have a duty to defend ourselves or to uphold our. Our sovereignty. I'll put it this way. If we as a nation allowed Iran, Russia, or China to attack us directly would say a dirty bomb. And then we were like, oh, I guess we'll just do nothing. We're going to get trampled over and we will get destroyed in short order.

[Richie McGinnis]

Look back to what the. The actual military action that Trump did take during his first term was like, Qasem Soleimani was a good example. I mean, that wasn't putting troops into Iran. It was just using cruise missiles to blow or whatever it is that they used on him.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it was drones, wasn't it? But he was in Iraq, wasn't he?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes. Yeah, he was. Well, he was. And that's the point is we brought democracy to a country that's 60% Shia, that borders our biggest geopolitical adversary, which is Iran, which is Shia democracy. Yeah. And this is what my freshman year in high school, that's what my history teacher told us. He's like, I'm going to tell you guys why the Iraq war is the stupidest idea in the world in 30 seconds. I was like, why is my freshman history class doing better than our entire State Department? What's going on here?

[Ian Crossland]

Here? That is. That is. Look, you know, conspiracy theories circulate because people want to believe that life is more interesting than it is. The news tends to be negative or worrisome because we have no need to focus on things that are good because it doesn't put us in jeopardy. If news breaks that, like, a bunch of orphans finally got a home, it's not going to be the lead because it doesn't put you in danger.

[Richie McGinnis]

If it bleeds, it leads.

[Ian Crossland]

But there's a reason why. Because you aren't worried about the safety of your family. When you hear that a dog got that a stray dog was rescued and gave into a home. Those videos do go viral because it's heartwarming. But news about potential war, conflict, crisis, drones, leads. Because you're asking yourself, what could threaten me and my family? And what do I need to be? What do I need to do to be ready for it?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. And everything's been supercharged because it used to be that everybody would sit down and watch the nightly news and they had this standard thing of, you know, you have the lead story and then you end with a feel good story. But now everybody's news feeds, and that's what I talk about in the book a lot, is how all of this stuff has been put on steroids based upon what gets surfaced on the algorithm and why. And the answer is a hate click is a lot more powerful than like, you know, some kind of thought piece or anything that delves deeper than the most primal thing that's just going to engage your lizard brain.

[Ian Crossland]

And I'll tell you this. I think the right, as we would describe it today, is more resilient to this, and the left is not. So what ends up happening is the right reacts to the left. The left starts saying things that like, Trump is a fascist Nazi white supremacist. And then if you want to vote for him because you're concerned about the border, you too are a fascist Nazi, white supremacist or a communist Nazi, you know, commune fascist Nazi or whatever. Then people on the right are like, no, I'm not. You guys are crazy. The left entrenches themselves because they're susceptible to the rage cliques and the social pressures, and the right rejects it. And this is where you largely get components of the culture war.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, and definitely since the Trump era, the right was long, you know, the conservatives who stick to their values. But you're right, it has largely become reactionary. And so I think there's a big question right now with the next Trump era is a how much of that kind of, you know, Trump said covfefe, the whole world's gonna explode. How much of that is. Because then when something actually does happen, everyone's just like, oh, yeah, okay, here we go again. The same narrative. So I don't know, will the, will CNN do a more responsible job in reporting on the Trump White House?

[Shane Cashman]

They're going to keep staging events like what they did in Syria for irrelevance and figure and phase fade out.

[Richie McGinnis]

What was the most watched day in CNN's history?

[Shane Cashman]

Was it when they hologram Wolf Blitzer?

[Richie McGinnis]

No, it was. It was. I can give you one more guess. Come on. It's the most.

[Ian Crossland]

Was it when Don. Was it when Don Lemon said the MH370 was black hole?

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, they. They went wall to wall, and Jeff Zucker has defended them going wall to wall on that.

[Ian Crossland]

He suggested a black hole swallowed the airplane on Earth.

[Richie McGinnis]

I actually kind of buy that.

[Shane Cashman]

And now we know.

[Ian Crossland]

And now we know.

[Tim Pool]

It's true, Tim.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. It was January 6th, and they. They came out with a press release saying, bragging about our most watched day in history. Oh, that just goes to tell you, you know, what sells and what the news really wants to make money.

[Ian Crossland]

The next most highly viewed day for them will be when Trump pardons all the J6ers.

[Shane Cashman]

I can't wait.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, it's. It's. You know, I'm having a good time watching their ratings. CNN's ratings are just so miserably low. I'm surprised anyone even bothers working there. Like, I'm going to stress this, you know, doing this job, sitting here. What makes it work is that I like talking about these things, and I know someone's listening. That's true. When I started doing this, I was getting a couple thousand views. Right. When I started doing on the ground reporting, I was getting maybe like a thousand, two thousand views. Knowing that people are there valuing your work and saying, we love, we thank you for being out here and showing us this makes it worth it. If I was just recording to no one and not posting anywhere and doing nothing, I'd probably stop doing it at some point.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

If you're CNN and your viewership has gone to that degree, or you're MSNBC and you're looking into a camera and you're saying, I feel this way about things and, you know, no one's listening.

[Richie McGinnis]

It's a captive audience, too. Like, the Nielsen ratings are all bs. I used to work at msnbc, and I used to man the phone bank, and, like, half of the calls that I took in would be like, my TV isn't working. And I was like, a tech guy. I was like, ma'am, have you tried plugging it in? Check the cable. Okay. The HDMI cable. You have to go to hdmi that you're on the wrong source. You got to go to hdmi, too.

[Ian Crossland]

I can't imagine what Rachel Maddow must be feeling knowing that no one cares what she think thinks anymore.

[Shane Cashman]

She blames the lack of audience and not herself.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, Joy Reid is. That's. That's Rachel Maddow. Times 3,000.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, who is she talking to? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I'm not saying you need to have a massive audience of hundreds of thousands. Like, like I said, I was getting started doing all this podcasting. It started off with a YouTube video with like a thousand or two thousand views. And I was like, wow, look at that. And there were comments, and people were saying, hey, Tim, here's this. And talking to people, engaging with them. And I was like, right, I've got things I want to say and I want to talk about, and I want to go here and film this thing. And there are people who just right away were sharing what I was doing. So when I first started streaming, I had no followers. I started streaming. Someone finds it and then shares with a friend, and they say, hey, we appreciate you doing this for us. Cnn, MSNBC are going the other direction.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, people trust people now and not brands.

[Ian Crossland]

But I just mean, like, at what point are you, Kaitlan Collins, going like, I can't talk to a box for another night.

[Richie McGinnis]

Like, no one is watching, staring at a black lens.

[Ian Crossland]

The only views they get are when we make fun of them.

[Richie McGinnis]

Not like, Scott Jennings is the perfect example, I think.

[Ian Crossland]

I think Brian Stelter is intentionally talking like a. Every day because he's. It's the only way people look at it.

[Richie McGinnis]

You see what he said about the ABC settlement with Jim Acosta?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta stand up straight.

[Richie McGinnis]

And like, the funny part about that is, like, okay, all these people who are claiming, like, ABC bent the knee, it's like, do you guys realize how legal proceedings go? They did not want to go to discovery. And because I guarantee you what happened, in my estimation, this is allegedly that they realized that they made a big oopsie, and they were like, should we backtrack? Should we issue a correction? And they're like, no, it's Donald Trump. Absolutely not. We would never give him an inch of ground. So they didn't want. They settled for $15 million, plus the million dollars in legal fees, because they didn't want discovery.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

And that's what I relied on when I got a correction from cnn. And then you have to tune into the second book for the corrections from the New York Times. But I basically, you know, they don't want to go to court because they know that they're guilty.

[Ian Crossland]

Now, hold on. How much you want to bet that the money that's being paid. So first of all, that money that's being paid to Trump is actually being allocated to a Trump museum. Did you know that not only did Trump win and for just paying for.

[Richie McGinnis]

A huge Trump statue brought to you by it.

[Ian Crossland]

50, $15 million. So they've got a. Stephanopoulos and ABC are gonna pay a million bucks each to Trump for attorneys fees and $15 million to the creation of a presidential Trump museum.

[Richie McGinnis]

See, reality's kid, you not can't make it up. If you made that up in a pitch for like Hollywood pitch in a border, they'd be like, no way.

[Ian Crossland]

But here's the thing. I bet ABC's insurance company just pays for it. They probably have Arizona media insurance.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, media insurance. I mean, I had to get media insurance.

[Ian Crossland]

And the insurance company probably talked to the lawyers and said, what's it going to cost if we presume.

[Richie McGinnis]

Exactly, exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

Insurance. The lawyers told the insurance company, here are our rates and here's what happens when we lose. The insurance company was like, just pay them.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, that's. I mean, there are clauses. I just signed a media insurance contract.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. That's what people need to understand about lawsuits. The insurance companies don't want to go to war. Everyone's. Everyone's saying this. Oh, they. And you were saying this. They don't want to get discovery. That'll be bad for them. And I'm like, I don't think that's it. I think the insurance company just said they did an algorithm.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

On average, a total cost of this lawsuit will be $37 million. Pay him 15.

[Richie McGinnis]

That is in the clause. So literally, like, when you sign a media insurance contract, it says they have the right to choose to settle in the event that they make that calculation.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's standard cost of benefit analysis. If the cost of the lawsuit victory is more than the cost of a settlement, they settle.

[Richie McGinnis]

Teflon. Don't call him that for nothing.

[Tim Pool]

It's great.

[Ian Crossland]

But understand, this is like. This is why I respect James O'Keefe. He never settles. He's like, nope, we're going to war. You want to go with me? We'll go to war. 99% of anybody. If, like, Shane sued Serge, the lawyers are going to be like, it's going to cost you more if you try and fight.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, I mean, I try. I tried to. I explored the possibility of suing New York Times for libel. And basically I talked to 20 different lawyers, including Eugene Carroll's lawyer, and they were like, how much money do you have? And I was like, I don't know. I got a bitcoin. And they're like, yeah, New York Times that's going to cost you a half a million dollars. Yes, but at least. So bleed you dry. They'll go to the Supreme Court because they have more money than you, and so they'll just bleed you dry and then over.

[Ian Crossland]

Ultimately, though, what we're seeing with Trump in this lawsuit is I don't necessarily think it's about who has more money in this regard. It's like, if you did sue the New York Times, you probably could have forced a settlement because they have an insurance company that's going to say, we are not going to pay how much.

[Richie McGinnis]

It would have taken me hundreds of thousands of dollars to get to that point through. That's the point is, like, if they knew that I had a finite amount of money, then they would be able to basically just drag things out as long as possible.

[Ian Crossland]

You have to be willing to risk 50 grand to get nothing for a chance to force the settlement or something like that.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, I hired a lawyer and I did get an extra correction. And so they did effectively admit to their fault by correcting the record. But, yeah, I didn't have 50 grand.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's not just that.

[Richie McGinnis]

I had five grand and that's what I spent.

[Ian Crossland]

In this regard, Trump wins because Stephanopoulos said a jury found that Trump raped. This was liable for rape, which is not true at all. And he says the judge confirmed, so he doubled the statement saying a judge and a jury said Trump raped this woman is not correct at all.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So Trump sues, and their insurance company said, what are we looking at? And they're like, it's 50. 50. He, what he said is defamation, per se. That is not true. Okay. And so the insurance company was like that. I, I swear, if it's 15 million, $50 million and $1 to go to court over it and win, and it's 50 million to settle. They just, they don't get. They don't care. Insurance company got no ego. They're gonna be like, we don't care what you think, or, we don't care about your credibility. We care about paying you the least amount of money possible. So pay Trump 15 million and it's done.

[Shane Cashman]

Do you think the core ABC audience cares about them being caught in lies constantly? Like, I, I think about the Jussie Smollett interview.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, a lot.

[Richie McGinnis]

It's pronounced small.

[Shane Cashman]

A small. I, I have a hard time not saying that, actually. But, like, they constantly lie and, like, has. I wonder if their ratings have significantly dropped since then. They've always been low. Like, what does it look like these days for ABC in particular, ABC is.

[Richie McGinnis]

Doing better than the CNN's and really the world. Yeah. And they're actually trying to find Good.

[Shane Cashman]

Morning America or yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

The Today. So the morning shows are what perform the best.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

Because nobody watches nightly news anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

And they have less show because ABC is also not running a 24 hour news operation at the scale that MSNBC and CNN.

[Ian Crossland]

How about we point this out? People don't watch nightly news anymore. So why are they watching Tim cast irl. That says something about what the nightly news has turned into. Not watching news at night. So a show like this is, you know, four or five people hanging out talking about all these things. Just literally conversation. We, I have a series of stories pulled up in advance. We give each of the stories well enough time for them to flesh out and for the conversation to flow. If the at a certain point or if the conversation dries, I'll say let's jump to the next story.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And so it is more free flowing without restrictions. There's no commercial breaks. We, we've done ad reads at the 930 mark for super chats and pre roll but we let the conversation just sort of flow. That's probably why people will watch this show and not watch.

[Richie McGinnis]

Not some Cannes news package where it's like, well here I am standing and it's mostly peaceful.

[Ian Crossland]

Those are you, Jim. But you don't get anything from them. If I see a guy say today a drone was spotted over in New Jersey nuclear power plant.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

The President said this, it's like okay. But I saw, I, I knew that as soon as it happened on X. Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

It's also like why are you, why do they talk like that? I know they talk like that well today. And it's like they're not a person here outside to me like a person, it's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

It's pretense.

[Shane Cashman]

They've become elevator music. It's just a nothing. There's nothing to it. And people have largely rejected the sound bite culture of that news.

[Ian Crossland]

But this is why Fox still gets large viewership on their nightly shows because they're opinion context shows. But I will stress there's a reason why we do this show as a conversation. And in the morning I do segments which are me monologuing. That's not hard news. Like my opinion as an individual. But I think what makes this show work is it's the end of the day hangout going over everything. Most of the time people already know. Not everybody. But when news breaks early in the day about, like, a school shooting, you hear about it, your phone goes off, you're on Twitter, you see it, someone texts you.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You don't need the nightly news to tell you it happened. But then you come hang out and we all talk about it. We get super chats, and we sort of go into the ideas and what it means.

[Shane Cashman]

It's also probably like how they all exist in a silo, too. You know, they're all talking about the way they see that news, but we are in our world. But then going through the ways they view the world, too.

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, they put Maddow on a pedestal for exactly that reason, because she was more in the. The direction of, you know, Tucker Carlson at choosing the same time slot of doing more opinion and that kind of stuff. But I was in the newsroom in NBC in 2013. It was my third day at work. And this is like the very opening of the book. And Jeff Zucker came down, and he was the later the president of cnn. This was like a month before he left NBC, and he had Rock center, which was hosted by Brian Williams, which was supposed to be the millennial 60 minutes. And he kept on saying, like, oh, yeah, we're gonna use what's trending to inform our editorial decisions. Yada, yada, yada. It was my third day, and like an electric shock, my hand just went up. And I asked him this challenging question about, like, NBC's long been a bastion of, you know, editorial judgment. What people need to hear, not just like, cats flying through the air because it's trending on Twitter. And I thought that I got fired. I luckily didn't. I was making 12 bucks an hour. It wouldn't have mattered anyway, but. But I. There was a moment in that newsroom where Jeff Zucker said, we're not doing news anymore. He's in the D.C. newsroom, the center of hard news. Said, we're doing entertainment. He said that to the entire newsroom.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, he was the Apprentice guy. He's the entertainment.

[Richie McGinnis]

Exactly. He's the guy who brought on Donald Trump. The Apprentice 2016. Up until that point, 2016 was the highest year of ratings that CNN ever had. And Zucker knew that because he came from NBC Entertainment, and then he took over the whole show. And, yeah, he pushed everything in the direction of entertainment over news.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, everybody, we're gonna go to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that, like, button? Share the show with everyone. You know, become a member [e-mail] to join the movement for new media. And you'll get access to our uncensored members only show as well as our Discord server where you can hang out with like minded individuals. The show is not so family friendly, but it's fun and funny. Also, you can go to cast brew.com if you're a member. When you sign up to become a member at Tim Cast, you will get 15% of cast brew for Life forever. We got some promos coming up for the holiday season. We're gonna be doing 20% off for everybody, but that will be announced soon. And go to boonieshq.com you can see it skateboard behind me. There it is right there. The right to arm bears. Founding fathers forgot to put that one in the constitution, but if you think bears should be wearing flannel shirts, hats, and carrying shotguns, then that's a skateboard for you. It's actually selling really well. We've sold like a hundred.

[Richie McGinnis]

I want that board, the Richie board. And I need that. I need that board, the Richie one.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that's right. It's right by your feet. Yeah, the one where he's a colonial soldier.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. Yes, it's. That's a beautiful image.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, we're going to grab some super chats. Alpha Turkey says just got a bonus. Where do I buy Bitcoin? Well, we don't get financial advice, but if you Google it, someone else might. I personally use Coinbase.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

[Tim Pool]

It's easy.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, Jason Dixon says number two, shout out to Richie McGinnis. But he said gayness.

[Richie McGinnis]

Oh, my. This anti Irish sentiment will not stand. My name has been misspelled more than it's spelled correctly. I blame my ancestors. I'll just give me two eyes, two ends, two asses.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, we got Coachizzle says this is for Ian's new drone. I know that he will find out the other drone's origins with it. Much love, Ian. Tim, you're cool too. Thank you. I think we have like 12. I think we have like 12 drones. We have a lot of drones because we film a lot and so we have drones. I think it's a bunch of Mavic pros. They're in storage somewhere because we could. You need a pilot's license, use them. And we do have a drone pilot, but we haven't really filmed a lot with them because a lot of the stuff we were planning on doing didn't.

[Richie McGinnis]

Didn't have airspace too, around here. Is there an airport?

[Ian Crossland]

There isn't. There's an airport. A couple of them, actually.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. Cuz that. That'll restrict what you can do.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but I mean, we're mostly good right in the middle of nowhere, but, you know, don't fly any airports. All right, let's see. So Ravi says Biden should ask for a pardon from djt. He needs it. Well, theoretically, he could pardon himself, right? I think he could, I guess, yeah. The emperor's champion says China has seen a lot of mass tragedies and those perpetrators use knives and cars, proving that gun control is pointless.

[Shane Cashman]

Some horrible, horrible knife attacks in schools over there over the years.

[Ian Crossland]

There was a funny meme that said if guns people, then what did it say? Like, spoons make people fat, cars run people. Or, you know, it was like cars are running people over or something like that. It was funny. Spoons.

[Richie McGinnis]

Watch out for them spoons. Assault spoons.

[Shane Cashman]

They're gonna outlaw knives in the UK soon.

[Richie McGinnis]

Machine spoons, you gotta watch out for the machines. Automatic spoons up.

[Ian Crossland]

Shepard says, tim, I hope you're well. It would be so cool to commission art for your character Vulciferon for a boonies board. Lots of furry artists would love to take you up on that. It's V. It's volciferon. Herald of the winter Mist.

[Richie McGinnis]

What is a. Can we just back up? What's a furry artist? An artist, like an Italian.

[Ian Crossland]

Like an Italian artist makes cartoon animal art.

[Richie McGinnis]

Oh, okay. I'm behind on the times.

[Ian Crossland]

We're working on a culture war podcast with Phil where it's him just having a conversation with 20 furries.

[Tim Pool]

20?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I thought the idea was we would have a ring of furries in their fursuits.

[Richie McGinnis]

We used to have a proper country.

[Ian Crossland]

And then everybody would raise their hand and then they would pick one to go up and sit down with you.

[Richie McGinnis]

Oh, like a debate thing?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

You're debating furries.

[Ian Crossland]

What is. What do they call that?

[Richie McGinnis]

Spell speed? Debating?

[Ian Crossland]

No, there's a name for it, but. But that's. That's the idea.

[Richie McGinnis]

The Charlie Kirk thing where he sits and they have.

[Ian Crossland]

Right, yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

And what's with the flags and stuff? They raise it if they.

[Ian Crossland]

And then if too many get raised, then they pulls the person off. Like they're all saying, like, we don't agree with this. Well, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look, so just a bunch.

[Richie McGinnis]

Of fat, fat, furry Italians. Well, nobody says I'm half Italian.

[Ian Crossland]

It's just a bunch of guys who are hairy. They're not actual furries.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like I said, like I said before, I'll you know, I. I will host a culture war with furries. But they have to be fully clothed. None of those weird costumes that have parts hanging out.

[Richie McGinnis]

What about, like.

[Ian Crossland]

Right, but regular fur suits?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, regular. And by regular, he means fully covered.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, what if it's.

[Richie McGinnis]

No, ask.

[Ian Crossland]

What if it's freaks? But what if it's. What if it's two guys in a horse costume?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's.

[Richie McGinnis]

And they're both naked underneath?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, of course they're wearing. Well, I guess that's kind of weird. All right, all right, all right. Let's move on. We're gonna move on now. Shane H. Wilder says, in case I don't get to say it before y'all go on break, a very merry Christmas and a joyous new year to everybody. I can't wait to drink Two Weeks on Christmas morning. Let's go. So if you go to casprew.com and you buy two weeks till Christmas, right now, I. My understanding is you can get it delivered on time for Christmas. Although we were hoping it would be released two weeks before Christmas. It's a week and a half before Christmas.

[Richie McGinnis]

You can order this book and get it in two days.

[Ian Crossland]

Ah. And you can read Riot Diet while drinking two. It's gingerbread flavor.

[Richie McGinnis]

You can be on the Riot Diet.

[Ian Crossland]

I want you all to imagine this. It is sunset. You're sitting on your couch. The lights are off, candles are lit. You have a hot cup of gingerbread. Two weeks till Christmas. Looking outside as heavy snow is falling. And you are opening up to page one of Ride Diet. What a beautiful.

[Richie McGinnis]

And page one starts with the federales in Mexico counting the number of beers that I had in the back.

[Ian Crossland]

Who's gonna. Who's gonna make the movie?

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, so the author of Jarhead is my editor, and he's. He's. We're in some talks.

[Ian Crossland]

But if you were to do. I mean, isn't this a collection of a bunch of different news events?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, it's. The question is, is how would you fit it all in? Because there's a lot of madness. So maybe, I don't know, singling, like.

[Ian Crossland]

One story and fleshing it out.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, I mean, you would have to. He's. I asked him that, and he was like, I'll figure it out.

[Ian Crossland]

So, you know, what you could do is if it were to be semi fictionalized, you could create a story arc revolving around you and a handful of characters that travel to these zones. The conflict would not be the zones. It would be you as the characters. And then you could have a critical moment.

[Richie McGinnis]

Civil War, basically. I mean, Civil War is just a more extreme version of what we were doing. A bunch of journalists traveling across the country. You know.

[Ian Crossland]

Exactly. But. But real.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes. And based on rifles. It's billy clubs. I mean, we got beat up by a fair number.

[Ian Crossland]

And then you just choose that one moment for the. For the climax of the show of this.

[Richie McGinnis]

All right, I might have to have. I don't have an agent, but I'll. I'll have you talk to Swath.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. What do you mean? Yeah, that's what you do. You know, like that movie Civil War, which was not about a civil war at all, which was disappointing. Yeah, but you saw that movie, right?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, it was about the. Yeah. Follow the journalists across.

[Ian Crossland]

Didn't. So I will just say what I loved about it is that it showed the true depravity of these journalists. Would you agree?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes. Yes. And how they frame things and how.

[Ian Crossland]

They'Re laughing and smiling and.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Cheering for the violence in the blood.

[Richie McGinnis]

Absolutely. And that's what I talk openly about in the book is, like, what videos did well and which ones didn't, and the guilt that comes with, like, you know, our most profitable event as a news organization was Kenosha. And it was this terrible, tragic thing that happened. And it's like you just. They're unscrupulous, but when you're actually there, I don't understand how those people could. Could take that kind of approach, because when you actually see it, they're evil. It's totally different than viewing it through pixels on a phone.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude, I can't tell you, man. I mean, you know, I don't need to tell you, being on the ground at a lot of these riots and hearing how these journalists think. Not all of them, but a large portion of them, hoping for people to die, hoping for shootings, hoping for violence. I have heard journalists say something like, oh, I hope someone gets shot, or something like that, because they're like, that's what I'm here for. I was in Ferguson, and there was a journalist. There was all the. So after the couple nights of riots, things calmed down a little bit. A bunch of news crews are standing in the parking lot as if this was a festival. And there were two journalists talking. And one guy said, I'm just here to network.

[Shane Cashman]

Not surprised.

[Ian Crossland]

They show up to a community where gas stations burned down, stores have been looted, a guy died, there's a cop on trial, National Guard is deployed. And these people come in, they call themselves Vultures. And he's like, great network, great networking opportunity.

[Richie McGinnis]

I mean, that's psychopathic.

[Shane Cashman]

This is very. This is very different from the riot situation. But when I went to Long island to report on the arrest of the suspect for the Long island serial killer, I'm in the courtroom with. Surrounded by all like the corporate press types, but from like the local MSNBC and everything, ABC and whatnot. And it's taking a long time for the suspect to enter the courtroom. And we're in the room with victims, families, right. And everyone else, and they start chanting, we want Rex. The reporters, that's the suspect's name, wait on Rex, like whisper chanting, because they were getting bored of waiting for the serial killer to emerge. These people are.

[Ian Crossland]

In that film. There's a scene where one faction is laying siege to the city and breaking through the barriers in D.C. and they're unloading full auto. I think it's probably like, I don't know what caliber, but it's armor mounted. And one journalist looks to the young girl and he smiles. And they both smile each other and nod like, yeah, that's the depravity. And then in the end, when the main character, whatever her name is, dies, the guy just looks over her and like, what is he like? Or the girl takes a picture of her.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yes, yeah, exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

Takes a picture of her dead body after getting shot in the back and that's it. Carry on like then. And I really respected that, how they framed this. They didn't stop to render aid to her at all. I'm not surprised. There are a lot of journalists I know who are not like that. Don't get me wrong. But there's a lot that are. So when they showed this woman die at the end, and then the young girl just goes, picture. And then keep walking. And then the guy's like, yep, the story is more important. They got the present. We're going there instead. Wild man. Yep. Not to mention the main character dies because the young girl's being reckless and trying to jump out in the line of fire to get a photo. And then she pushes her out of the way and then gets shot in the back. And then the girl just takes a photo of her dead body. That's. I've. I've met way too many of these people. They're. They're awful. That famous photo of the girl who's dead, it's a. It's a young black girl. She dies and there's a photo of her on the ground. You can see the sunset. The real photo that went viral was one of the journalists walked around to the side and took a picture of the 17 journalists all getting a photo of a dead girl.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, and you can frame. That's the thing is the way that's what I talk about a lot is like, why do you aim your camera where you do and how do you frame it, and what are you showing? And a lot of what I would show out at the riots is like, you have the garbage fire and the Umbrella gang, I call them, because no one's going to admit to being antifa. And so I call them the Umbrella. They're all in their little turtle shield, their little Roman shield formation. And you have the fire, and then you have like, 30 journalists, like, all filming, you know, just waiting for exactly what you're talking about.

[Ian Crossland]

One of my favorite encounters was when I was in Ferguson and the riot had mostly dissipated, and There were about 30 journalists in the middle of the street standing there. And an APC pulls up and the cops get on the lrad and they're like, clear the road. You have to disperse. And all the journalists in their huddle of like, 30 to 50 start moving backwards, taking photos or filming or holding up cameras, walking slowly backward. And then finally the cop goes, media, I am talking to you. You need to disperse. There were no protesters. It was just the media trying to get a picture, and they were blocking the road. These people are scumbags. You know, I hear the meme all the time. They say, however much you think you hate journalists, it's not enough. I think people really need to understand what it's like on the ground to see what these people are like. They are not there to inform you of what's going on. They are not interested in the truth. They revel in the chaos and the destruction. They laugh about it. They are callous and cold. Not every single one, of course. Clearly, you were there. I were there. I was there. I went down because I wanted to see for myself what was going on. Cause I'd seen all these stories on the Internet, and I wanted to tell people. Then once I saw the media was lying, I wanted to call them out for lying and tell people what was actually happening. Too many of those people are there just for a job. Too many people are there because I think it's a springboard or an opportunity to get a desk position at a big news company so that they can feel important about themselves and get followers.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, and we would stream it. You know, we'd. We'd run longer clips, and then that tiny little 3 second sound bite would get pulled out and run on cable news and, you know, this caricature would be spun up.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah. Let's read some more. Let's read some more. All right. Shell Wiggin says, hi, Tim. Thanks for encouraging us to change culture. I created a six book series of Christian children's coloring books. Pen name Melly's Garden on Amazon. Would love a shout out. Thanks for all you do well. Thanks for, for doing what you can to make books and build culture.

[Shane Cashman]

That's awesome.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. Contact Pigeon Press if you're looking for, if you got a book pitch out there. Pigeon Press, we do pulp nonfiction. Just started a publishing company because I didn't want to play the corporate media game.

[Ian Crossland]

There you go. Dung says Kyle Rittenhouse will sue Biden after he's out, perhaps. Is he going to do that?

[Tim Pool]

I hope so.

[Ian Crossland]

He got fit. You see that photo he posted?

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, I did.

[Ian Crossland]

That's great.

[Richie McGinnis]

Basically, he did lose.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm going to give a shout out to Lizzo to Kyle Reynas and also the Krasenstein's. Yeah, the Krasenstein's tweeted that? Yeah, look, dude, like, Ed Krasenstein's a liberal guy. I think he's wrong, and I think he's very wrong and dangerously wrong. And then he posts a video of him working out and he's fit. And I'm like, hey, look, I don't care from the left or right. Encourage people to get fit and just.

[Richie McGinnis]

So we get the full gambit. Andy Ngo is shredded now, too.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, is he shredded? Keep working on that.

[Richie McGinnis]

Good for him. That's Maha, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Absolutely. Those seed oils out of there. Talk to a doctor. Because I don't know anything about the seed oils. I'm just, I'm just repeating Internet things. Yeah, no, dude, I, I, when I got to eat, I, I'm not interested in that garbage. Yeah, ask, ask people what they're deep frying their food and they can't tell you. Why would you eat that?

[Richie McGinnis]

I, I ate two McRibs and a McDouble last night.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, poisoned yourself, Richie?

[Richie McGinnis]

Well, I got hit with a hockey puck right before that, so I figured at that point.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you're gonna ask you this.

[Shane Cashman]

Medicinal.

[Richie McGinnis]

Imagine if someone on McRib.

[Ian Crossland]

Imagine if you ordered food like I said. Hey, we've got a, we call it a, a swimming pork loin. You go, what is it swimming in and go, I don't know.

[Richie McGinnis]

That's what I literally did yesterday.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but you do you sort like, it's fair Point. You don't know what a McRib is.

[Richie McGinnis]

But I'm saying ribs, there's no bone in there.

[Ian Crossland]

K, kick it up a notch. I'm saying, like, you literally order something that is swimming in something and they don't know what they're serving you. Would you eat it? You'd probably be like, like, no, I'm.

[Richie McGinnis]

Of the opinion it's more how much. It's more when you eat and how much you eat than what you're necessarily eating.

[Ian Crossland]

Agree and disagree. I think you're largely correct. But not when it comes to chemicals and weird garbage in your food. Yeah, like if you, if, like, look, if you're good though, it doesn't matter what time of day you're eating. If you're eating poison, like, I mean, like if you're drinking booze at 9am you're gonna get drunk. You know what I mean? It's going to affect you that way. These other, these weird chemicals they put in the food, it's going to affect you in ways you don't even realize. That being said, I think you're largely correct. A lot of people don't understand why, like I'm eating right. What's happening while you're not exercising? Yeah, largely. You need cardio, but you're also probably eating at the wrong time. Yeah, those things matter.

[Richie McGinnis]

Either cutting or you're bulking. It's just right on or off.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you got to exercise. Exercise matters and keep it simple. It's. It's the exhale. Where does the fat go out? Your lungs? Sort of. Not really, but yes. When the carbon breaks down your system, it goes out of your breath. You are breathing out your fat. So when you are running and exercising to the point where you're breathing more and your heart rate's up, you are burning fat. If you are just not eating, your body's probably not burning fat.

[Richie McGinnis]

I. Ozinpic. Is this new drug?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Richie McGinnis]

Ozinpic. Ozinpic.

[Ian Crossland]

What is it?

[Richie McGinnis]

Ozinpic. I know that Zin apparently is not. You haven't heard of this, of course. Apparently. I guess they don't donated money to. It's all terrible. Yeah, I don't know, it's. Nicotine's pretty nice. Pretty nice drug.

[Shane Cashman]

It is nice.

[Ian Crossland]

Every now and then, you know, I. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I got tattoos.

[Richie McGinnis]

A little lip pillow. Just one.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I am one heck of a boring guy. I guess I play music and skateboard or something. I don't know, Whatever. I posted some fingerboard videos on my Instagram. I did a front foot impossible.

[Richie McGinnis]

That's a vice right there. Fingerboarding is advice.

[Ian Crossland]

I got a fingerboard in my hand the whole show, and it's got carpal.

[Richie McGinnis]

Tunnel right around the corner.

[Ian Crossland]

And I'm. I'm left handed. I'm ambidextrous.

[Richie McGinnis]

Wow. Yeah, you can go switch.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, switch is usually using your index finger, but for whatever reason, I do certain things on my left hand and other things with my right hand. I think it's because I play guitar.

[Richie McGinnis]

Are you left eye dominant?

[Ian Crossland]

Nope.

[Richie McGinnis]

Okay. I shoot lefty because I'm left eye dominant.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. That's crazy. I was watching a video or I went to a range and someone's explaining left eye and right dominant. And it's like when you're right handed but left eye dominant.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, like. Well, like Tucker Carlson shoots a rifle lefty because he left eye dominant but he shoots a pistol righty because you could kind of change the position of the weapon.

[Ian Crossland]

Interesting. Yeah, yeah. No, I think playing guitar at a young age is why I tech deck with my left hand and not my right. But I write with my right hand. Also. Also, my handwriting is completely illegible. You would not be able to understand a single word that I wrote. I don't know why, but I do capital and lowercase. Like that spongebob meme. Whenever I write, it's real.

[Richie McGinnis]

Basically, you just write like Trump tweets. Just put in capital letters for randomly.

[Ian Crossland]

In the middle of sentences. I don't know why. It's just like when I write, I literally will just. If I'm just gonna write, it's capital lowercase, lowercase, capital, capital lowercase. And I don't just.

[Richie McGinnis]

Just.

[Ian Crossland]

I have no idea why, you know, whatever. I don't really write that type, you know. All right, let's grab some more frozen yoga says RIP Legal vices. Law Tube was blessed to have your insight and company while we did. Cheers, Jeff. Oh, sad to hear. Sad to hear, man. Whs Timmy should have have Sarah Adams on the show. She just did a Sean Ryan show. She speaks of the next attack and Islamic army with isis. Very interesting. Yes, very.

[Tim Pool]

She would be a great guest but for the culture war so she could really talk about her. Her experiences.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's grab some more super chats. Jeremy Frank says, today is the sixth day of our daughter's life. Congratulations, sir. That is based. Indeed it is the most based. JTRW says, I agree with the lead singer of all that remains, they should have left. What was that reference to?

[Richie McGinnis]

Reference to Afghanistan.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

After bin Laden.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes. They should have left then. They shouldn't have gone in the first place. But, you know, Grant Dexter says it's. It's fake hysteria. It's airplanes. Watch Mick West's video. The government is letting it happen. Saying manned craft instead of airplanes. Not necessarily. They did come out and say that many of these reports were airplanes. I. I think that it is largely airplanes, but I also think that there's something else. So when people heard the story of drones, they all ran out and looked at upside. They all went out, went outside and looked up and they took pictures of whatever they saw and claimed they saw it too. That there's a. Look, man. There's a photo going around from someone who says, it's getting really weird outside. There's a giant ring around the moon with a pulsating orb in it. It was literally the corona and Jupiter. But a lot of people don't look up. When I was little, I was like, how was I? Like 9 or 10 is when I first noticed the corona. Have you guys ever seen a corona? So usually when the humidity is high, the moon will create a lens flaring effect where it creates a bright ring around the moon and it can be of various sizes. Some say that usually if it's going to rain and there is a temperature differential and humidity, you're going to get refraction, which creates this beautiful ring around the moon called the corona. Jupiter, of course, is close to the moon right now. Sure enough, two days later, we got a massive snowstorm and rain, and there were people posting an X saying, I don't know what's going on. This is freaking me out. And it's like, have you ever looked up before the story of.

[Richie McGinnis]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

During the. I think it was the LA rise, when the power went out. The police got tons of reports. Maybe it wasn't the LA rise, but there's a power outage. Tons of reports of something strange in the sky. It was the Milky. Yeah, the Milky Way, because they had never seen the Milky Way before. So, like, what is that thing?

[Shane Cashman]

Similar happened during lockdowns. There was more.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, this guy was super.

[Shane Cashman]

People were saying, we're seeing all these crazy things in the sky, but the sky was clearer than ever there. People were seeing the Himalayan mountains for the first time in years. They just weren't used to it. But I do think a lot of these things, people are seeing our planes. It was like, last time I was on the show, they were talking about stuff in D.C. it was planes.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Shane Cashman]

You know it was. And lens flares. But I also think there's also weird stuff happening. I didn't take the drone story seriously until I was in New Jersey recently. Saw my sisters who don't care about any of this stuff, and they're like, something's flying over our apartment. And we never have planes over here. Like, none of this stuff. And they're, you know, they also have that blurry photo. I'm like, what do you. Why do you all take this blurry photo? But it was weird.

[Ian Crossland]

Blurry photo, blurry video, blurry photo.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm like, why is it always blurry?

[Richie McGinnis]

You used to have a blimp over D.C. a tethered blimp.

[Shane Cashman]

Really? Like how far back?

[Richie McGinnis]

Like a couple years ago. I mean, this is like five years ago. And then the blimp crashed. Really had a surveillance blimp over. You could see it on certain days, but there was a blimp that was literally like.

[Shane Cashman]

Interesting.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Hanging like a Goodyear type.

[Richie McGinnis]

Like a. Like a. Yeah. Tethered like that. They chose blimp because I think, I guess it's easier to keep it in the air than a drone. It uses less energy. There are tethered drones in D.C. like over the White House and stuff like that.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Richie McGinnis]

During Biden's inauguration.

[Shane Cashman]

They're everywhere.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, we've got A. C. Jones. As I just founded the show. You didn't found it, but you found it. You know what I mean? You're not a founder. The show's been around for some time, but I believe you meant to say that you just found the show. C. Jones, thanks for watching the show and super chatting.

[Richie McGinnis]

Our founding father, C. Jones. Thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

Here's a good one. Let's see. Toof. Is that how you say that? In case you didn't see my last super chat on December 4, a man Shut up. A SDA Christian school in California injuring two kindergarteners. In his manifesto, he said it to get revenge for Gaza, Palestine. Whoa, I missed that one.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Jeez, man.

[Richie McGinnis]

Dude, wonder why we didn't.

[Ian Crossland]

So there. There is some. Some reports circulating from some reporters that I believe is much more credible about that entity of the shooter. And keep your kids away from the Internet, man. If there's one thing I can guarantee you, when my daughter is born, in a couple of months, she will not know what the Internet is at all.

[Richie McGinnis]

Get her a pony. Get her a go kart. Anything other than if it doesn't have a screen on it.

[Ian Crossland]

Nah. No phone, no Internet. None of that.

[Richie McGinnis]

Agreed.

[Ian Crossland]

We're gonna live in the mountains. Just. You can't look at the Internet until you're old enough.

[Shane Cashman]

It's imperative.

[Richie McGinnis]

Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

Because this, this, if the story is true, this is a 15 year old girl who was radicalized by deep diving on the Internet and building a worldview based around evil. And you've got evil people enticing them. And then this, this kid went nuts.

[Shane Cashman]

They're not saying she was involved in a cult. No, it's that, like that does that.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at, look at the, the, the social contagions. And not just about trans ideology or anything. I'm talking about wokeness in general and these ideas that make no sense and are illogical. Two plus two equaling five. If you're not exposed to this fractured worldview and the love bombing in the cult, you're not going to fall into it. Kids don't have the resilience to resist information viruses and algorithms that are designed.

[Richie McGinnis]

Like viruses to literally take over your brain and keep you on there.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, my friends, we're gonna go to that members only show. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Become a member by going to timcast.com and clicking join us. With your support, we will keep making this show and we will persist into the future and we'll be bigger than all of the other news networks combined. You can also go to Casper.com as a member. You'll get 15 off for life. The code will be sent to you when you do. Sign up and buy Our Coffee Boonies HQ.com for your right to arm bears skateboard. I'm riding it right now, actually. It's the board I've currently set up. They're really good. I'm a. I love the art. There's a boobies behind Shane over there. But again, follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. Smash the like button. Richie, do you want to shout anything out?

[Richie McGinnis]

Richie McGinnis on all social media. Go get that Riot diet from the Bezos boutique or you can order it from your local bookstore. I was supposed to get pepper sprayed. Apparently that's against YouTube's terms of service.

[Ian Crossland]

Not doing that.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah. So Tim said I couldn't get pepper sprayed. I will be getting pepper sprayed on camera sometime soon, so you should tune in. And this is guerrilla marketing.

[Tim Pool]

That is a fabulous. That is a fabulous look at this thing.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

[Richie McGinnis]

Can I say the P word?

[Tim Pool]

Container.

[Richie McGinnis]

It's not a P hat. It's a P. It's not a. Can I say yes it's not a pussy hat, it's a pussy pepper spray.

[Ian Crossland]

It just means cat.

[Richie McGinnis]

Yeah, right, Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Riot diet is the book. Shane, what up?

[Shane Cashman]

Awesome. Richie, it was a pleasure talking to you, man. Everyone should check out the book. It sounds awesome. I'm Shane Cashman everywhere online. The show is inverted World World live every Sunday at 6pm Phil I am.

[Tim Pool]

Phil that remains on X. You can subscribe to my X page there. I'm Phil that remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains and as of January 31st, 2025 our new record antifragile will be available. You can go to my X page. The top the pin tweet is a link to the pre order. You can find a bunch of merch, a bunch of pre order packages and stuff. If you go to our YouTube page, Amazon Music page, Apple, Spotify, Pandora and Diesel, you can hear new songs from the new record. You can hear forever cold let you go no tomorrow. And you can hear Divine. And don't forget, two weeks till Christmas is available right now at Cast Brew Coffee. Go get you some, it's delicious.

[Richie McGinnis]

Bad Santa.

[Tim Pool]

And don't don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Ian Crossland]

Cast brew.com thanks for hanging out everybody. We'll see you all [e-mail] in about a minute. Thanks once again. It can get lonely climbing Mount McKinley.

[Richie McGinnis]

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