Biden SLAMMED For Hunter Pardon, CLEAR COVER UP Of Burisma Scandal w/Madison Cawthorn

Summary

Timcast IRL: Biden SLAMMED For Hunter Pardon, CLEAR COVER UP Of Burisma Scandal w/Madison Cawthorn

Episode Release Date: December 3, 2024
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Madison Cawthorn, Luke Ball, Phil Labonte, Alad Elahu

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Introduction

In this fiery episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool dives deep into the controversial pardon issued by President Joe Biden for his son, Hunter Biden. The discussion centers around the breadth of the pardon, its implications on the Burisma scandal, and the apparent media cover-up orchestrated by the Biden administration. Joined by guests Madison Cawthorn, Luke Ball, Phil Labonte, and Alad Elahu, the conversation unpacks the layers of political maneuvering, legal intricacies, and the role of the media in shaping public perception.

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Biden's Sweeping Pardon for Hunter Biden

Tim Pool initiates the conversation by highlighting the unprecedented nature of President Biden's pardon for Hunter Biden. The pardon not only covers past charges—including gun and tax-related offenses—but controversially extends to potential future crimes.

"The interesting thing here is that it's going back 11 years. And more importantly, when this pardon was issued, it pardoned Hunter for an additional four hours into the future, which many people pointed out he was free to commit any federal crime he wanted because the pardon was that broad."
— Tim Pool [07:45]

Madison Cawthorn echoes concerns about the pardon's extensive scope, suggesting it serves as a blanket immunity for Hunter Biden, potentially masking deeper issues related to the Burisma scandal and international influence peddling.

"It is clear that this is about, you know, more than just the gun and tax charges because there's no reason to go back to, you know, 10 years."
— Madison Cawthorn [07:45]

Phil Labonte adds a nuanced perspective, acknowledging the possibility that the gun and tax charges could have been strategically chosen to provide plausible deniability for covering broader criminal activities.

"I think that I'm not going to, I don't know that I have a strong conviction as to whether or not the intent was the intent of the gun charges and stuff was. So that way they could get a broader blanket immunity."
— Phil Labonte [07:45]

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Media's Role and Karine Jean-Pierre's Press Briefing

A significant portion of the episode critiques the media's complicity in downplaying or fabricating narratives to support the Biden administration's actions. Tim Pool specifically targets Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House Press Secretary, accusing her of misleading the public about the likelihood of Hunter Biden receiving a pardon.

"Karine Jean Pierre in the press briefing is just getting absolutely roasted by the press because of course, Joe Biden lied the whole time and they all believed it."
— Tim Pool [01:40]

Madison Cawthorn emphasizes the deceit involved, pointing out that Biden publicly stated he wouldn't pardon his son while privately considering the option, indicating a deliberate strategy to mislead the American populace.

"The issue that we have with this is that he said he was not going to do it. He lied directly to the American people."
— Madison Cawthorn [09:25]

The discussion sheds light on the broader issue of media manipulation, where officials like Jean-Pierre are seen as perpetuating falsehoods to maintain political narratives favorable to the administration.

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Donald Trump's Nomination of Cash Patel and DOJ Reforms

Coinciding with Hunter Biden's pardon, Tim Pool brings up former President Donald Trump's nomination of Cash Patel as the new FBI Director. This appointment is viewed as a strategic move to combat what the guests describe as the "Deep State" and institutional corruption within the Department of Justice (DOJ).

"And coincidentally, Donald Trump also nominated Cash Patel for FBI Director right before this pardon."
— Tim Pool [03:28]

Luke Ball discusses the expected impact of Patel's leadership, anticipating significant changes in DOJ operations aimed at restoring rule of law and eliminating political bias.

"He's going to be going after the Deep State, as it were."
— Luke Ball [03:28]

Alad Elahu concurs, suggesting that Patel's appointment signals a crackdown on longstanding DOJ practices that have allegedly favored political adversaries over true criminal accountability.

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Implications of the Broad Pardon and Future of DOJ

The conversation delves into the legal ramifications of the broad pardon, questioning its constitutionality and the message it sends about presidential powers.

"This is the closest thing to the purge we've ever had in the United States. Hunter Biden can go out and do whatever the heck he wants to this evening... As long as the federal crime, he's good."
— Luke Ball [18:18]

Phil Labonte raises concerns about the pardon's potential to undermine the DOJ's authority and the principle of equality under the law.

"He struck the closest thing to the purge we've ever had in the United States. Hunter Biden can go out and do whatever the heck he wants to this evening. As long as the federal crime, he's good."
— Phil Labonte [18:24]

The guests collectively argue that such a sweeping pardon erodes trust in governmental institutions and sets a dangerous precedent for future executive actions.

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Media Backlash and Public Perception

Tim Pool and his guests critique the media's swift dismissal and downplaying of Biden's promises not to pardon Hunter Biden, viewing it as a sign of either incompetence or complicity.

"The fact is, the media are not smart people. We know they're not smart people. We know they're not smart people."
— Tim Pool [16:00]

Madison Cawthorn argues that the media's consistent narratives are forced and unaligned with the administration's actual actions, highlighting a growing rift between independent and mainstream media outlets.

"The president has ruled out pardoning his son... Major commitment from the President accepting the outcome of the trial and also pledging not to pardon his son."
— Madison Cawthorn [15:48]

This segment underscores a trend where traditional media outlets fail to adapt to evolving political realities, while alternative media gains traction by providing unfiltered and seemingly authentic accounts.

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Future Outlook: DOJ Under Cash Patel and Political Shifts

Looking ahead, the panel discusses the anticipated reforms within the DOJ under Cash Patel's leadership. They express optimism that Patel will implement stringent measures to ensure accountability and dismantle entrenched biases.

"He might have gone out there four months saying, I will not pardon my son, because he thought he could use his position of power to his family's advantage."
— Luke Ball [12:08]

The conversation also touches upon the broader implications for American politics, suggesting that such administrative changes could empower independent media and foster a more transparent governmental landscape.

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Conclusion

The episode of Timcast IRL presents a critical examination of President Biden's pardon of Hunter Biden, positing it as a potential cover-up for deeper political scandals. Through the insights of Madison Cawthorn and other guests, the discussion highlights concerns over presidential overreach, media manipulation, and the future of the DOJ under Cash Patel. The overarching theme emphasizes a call for greater accountability, transparency, and the strengthening of independent media voices to counterbalance perceived institutional biases.

Notable Quotes:

• "Joe Biden could fire him and say, don't go after my son. How dare you?"
  — Tim Pool [01:40]

• "This is the closest thing to the purge we've ever had in the United States. Hunter Biden can go out and do whatever the heck he wants to this evening... As long as the federal crime, he's good."
  — Luke Ball [18:18]

• "The media are not smart people. We know they're not smart people."
  — Tim Pool [16:00]

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This summary captures the essence of the discussions and viewpoints expressed in the episode, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of the critical topics addressed.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

That was me.

[Tim Pool]

And so certainly it doesn't seem to make sense that this was just about a gun charge. This is likely to do with the Burisma scandal and international influence peddling, and it's being masked as though it's just because the DOJ is selectively prosecuting Hunter Biden, which makes no sense because it was his doj. So we're gonna talk about that. And there's a lot to break down. But here's my favorite thing. Karine Jean Pierre in the press briefing is just getting absolutely roasted by the press because of course, Joe Biden lied the whole time and they all believed it. So we'll talk about that. Plus, coincidentally, Donald Trump also nominated Cash Patel for FBI Director right before this pardon. And Cash, of course, is going to be going after the Deep State, as it were. Head over to cast brew.com and ladies and gentlemen, due to a programming error, our Black Friday sale has been inadvertently extended until Wednesday. And so they told me we actually said it wrong. So it's going till Wednesday. And I'm like sure, let's just sell more coffee. So if you buy two bags, you get 15% off. You buy at least three, it's 20% off. And if you buy four or more bags of cast, brew coffee and support the show, 30% off. So hop on over to Casper dot com. It's our coffee company. We sponsor ourselves. Pick it up, you'll love it. Everybody's favorite is Appalachian Nights. But stand you'd grounds has been popping off. And of course, head over to timcast.com click join us so you can hang out in the Discord server. And I assure you the members only uncensored show tonight is going to be particularly fun. And it's going to, it's going to get. It's going to get wild because we were already before the show having a hoot and I had to tell the boys, Settle down, settle down, boys. Those jokes are a little too edgy for the family friendly portion of the show. But in the members only section, we're gonna have a good time. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we've got a couple of guests. We got Madison Cawthorn.

[Madison Cawthorn]

How we doing, Tim? Good to see you.

[Tim Pool]

Doing great. Who are you? What do you do?

[Madison Cawthorn]

My name is Madison Cawthorn. I'm a former congressman out of North Carolina. I now live in the great state of Florida and I have a phenomenal time living down there.

[Tim Pool]

Someone's phone going off. Well, anyway, sorry about that.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It disappeared. Now is Nancy Pelosi. She anytime I heads are here. Anytime I go on somewhere, she's a trap Palestinian pager. That's just a mobile.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. I'm sorry, I. I'm sorry. I can't accept that.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

It was Hezbollah.

[Luke Ball]

That's true. Sorry, my bad.

[Tim Pool]

Anyway, sir, continue.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, but anyway, so live in the great state of Florida. And then, you know, I got a call that Tim Pool was looking for somebody to come on here. Last time I was on the show, I had just woken up from a nap because the great Luke Ball gave me a phone call. But anyways, I said yes to it, thinking you were in Washington D.C. but then I found out great news that we weren't doing in Washington D.C. we were doing the great state of West Virginia. And I will tell you, I love the people in West Virginia. I love the area around here. It's very similar to where I grew up in the good old App Mountains. So very happy to be out here.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Well, you mentioned Luke's here.

[Luke Ball]

Yes, I am Madison Cawthorn's former comms director. So dealt with his communications and all.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It was an easy job, wasn't it?

[Luke Ball]

Luke raised my blood pressure. My doctor said that you were single handedly responsible for all of that. And now I just do some political consulting as well.

[Tim Pool]

So that's right on. Thanks for hanging out. A lot is here.

[Alad Elahu]

What's up everybody? My name is Alad Elahu. I'm a field reporter and Jewish affairs correspondent here at Tim Cast.

[Luke Ball]

What's up?

[Tim Pool]

He made that up.

[Phil Labonte]

By the way, I am Phil the Noisy Philabonti. I am the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and the counter revolutionary. So let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the story I'm jumping with. We're going to jump in with this one from Politico. We haven't seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden's in generations. I mean, it's absolutely wild. I think I have the, the actual statement here from, from Joe himself. He says, today I signed a pardon for my son Hunter. From the day I took office. I said I would not interfere with the Justice Department's decision making and I cut my word. Even as I have watched my son being selectively and unfairly prosecuted without aggravating factors like using a crime, multiple purchases or buying a weapon as a straw purch. People are almost never brought to trial on a felony charge solely for how they filled out a gun form. Those who are late paying their taxes because of serious addictions, but paid them back subsequently with interest and penalties are typically given non criminal resolutions. It is clear that Hunter was treated differently. He then basically says, no reasonable person who looks at the facts. There's a bit more here. He says, you know, the DOJ had a plea deal, it fell through and then goes on to say blah, blah, blah. But here's where it gets interesting. He says a full unconditional pardon for those offenses against the US which he has committed or may have committed or taken pardon during the period of January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024, including but not limited to all offenses charged or prosecuted by Special Counsel David C. Weiss on docket blah, blah, blah. You get the point. The interesting thing here is that it's going back 11 years. And more importantly, when this pardon was issued, it pardoned Hunter for an additional four hours into the future, which many people pointed out he was free to commit any federal crime he wanted because the pardon was that broad. We have not seen something like this in generations or ever. And it is, I believe it is fair to say, and I stand by my belief in this, that this was the intention is to cover up the international influence peddling China, Moscow and the Burisma in Ukraine. And I'd actually go one step further, and I normally don't make big assumptions like this, but I actually think the gun charge and the tax charge were intentionally brought about for the purpose of giving Joe Biden plausible deniability when he did pardon Hunter Biden. So we were asking ourselves all throughout the year, like, why are they charging Hunter? I mean, this is Merrick Garland's doj. Joe Biden could fire him and say, don't go after my son. How dare you? And the argument was they're using as, using it as an excuse so that when they go after Trump they can say they're not biased. Sure. I think there's a strong probability that they said, hey, if we lose this election, Trump is coming after us over Ukraine Burisma, and there's nothing we can do about it. What do we do? Okay, well, we'll issue a pardon for Hunter and his role and what he did at Burisma, but issue a pardon. If the year comes to the end and we say Hunter's pardoned over Burisma, they're going to say, what, what does that mean? You give him a couple light charges that are weird and then they say we're going to pardon him for these charges, but make the timeframe very broad. So it'll cover all of those Burisma related scandals as well.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that I'm not going to, I don't know that I have a strong conviction as to whether or not the intent was the intent of the gun charges and stuff was. So that way they could get a broader blanket immunity. But I think it is excuse for a pardon. Apartment Yeah, I don't know that I have a take on that, but I mean, it's possible, but I don't have, I don't have any kind of inclination toward, for or against that. But it, that, that being besides the point, it is clear that this is about, you know, more than just the gun and, and tax charges because there's no reason to go back to, you know, 10 years. I would like to see Congress subpoena Hunter Biden now because he's no longer protected by the Fifth Amendment. So he has to, he would, he would have to actually answer any questions. He can no longer say, oh, you know, I stand on the Fifth Amendment. So there if there is anything is that there, that's violated the law that either I believe his uncle has done or that his dad has done, he would be obligated to discuss it or talk about it. He couldn't say, oh, I refuse to comment on this because it could implicate me. That would be nice.

[Tim Pool]

I've heard that. But I mean, it's kind of strange because that means this pardon covers every single potential crime he could have committed, meaning he has to testify to any of the weirdest things he may have done completely outside of any of these scandals. That seems weird to me.

[Phil Labonte]

It does. But you could start. I mean, the thing is the laptop has a lot of information and I personally don't know all the stuff, but.

[Tim Pool]

But I mean this, this means that he's been pardoned for any federal sex trafficking. Yeah, we got a lot of weird stuff on that laptop. I don't know what you guys think.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, well, I'll tell you, I think the majority of us in this room are, the reason we're upset about it is because the Democrats as a whole, I mean, you shared a video of this, of them literally talking for nine minutes. Your video was hysterical because it was sped up. But no one really has a problem with a father pardoning his son, saying, I'm going to defend my son. The issue that we have with this is that he said he was not going to do it. He lied directly to the American people. There's many articles that are out right now saying that it was always talked about in private, that this was on the table. And so we knew that he was lying in the, in a wholesale but, and this is something we took.

[Tim Pool]

No, I, I, I agree with the lying part, but I actually disagree. He's a father pardoning his son. There's two reasons why I would disagree. He should not have pardoned, pardoned his son. And I'll throw it to Matt Walsh, who made the point almost immediately. You know, it's one thing to protect your son because you don't want him to go to prison, but it's another thing to enable your son to be a, I mean a bad guy who's creating shell corporations or whatever he's accused of doing to bypass taxes. You're not actually helping your son if you keep bailing him out of all the horrible things he does. But I think he should have got the pardon because I wanted to see him challenge the gun charge to the Supreme Court to get it thrown out that they're charging him for self incriminating on A Knicks form.

[Luke Ball]

So when I'm looking at this, you have to also consider that he waited until this point and said for this long he was not going to pardon his son because they threw every wrench in the system that they possibly could for an extended period of time. They stopped this from getting Prosecuted in Washington, D.C. they stopped it from getting prosecuted in Florida every step of the way. I think he truly walked out there for a period of time and said, I will not pardon my son. And the reason is because he thought that he could use that leverage of power from his position at president to stop the process. And so once Donald Trump won, then all the floodgates were going to open up against Hunter Biden. And just remember what they did to Donald Trump. I mean, they sent Miami SWAT through his front door because he had, allegedly, documents in his building. I mean, to the rest of the presidents and vice presidents, nara, the National Archives Records Administration, basically issued a casting call, said, check between your couch cushions and make sure you don't have any classified documents. Like, H.W. bush was gonna find something from Saddam Hussein in his chest of drawers. Right. Instead, they send all of the police and, you know, basically raid Mar A Lago over allegedly having documents. And in addition to that, continue to throw lawfare after lawfare against him through the Merrick Garland Department of Justice. And so once Trump wins, they realize we're no longer going to be able to use the wheels of our justice to our advantage, and it's completely off the table now. So he might have gone out there four months saying, I will not pardon my son, because he thought he could use his position of power to his family's advantage.

[Phil Labonte]

It's possible that they didn't think they would lose. You know, I mean, they didn't think.

[Luke Ball]

They were going to lose.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, I mean, there was. There was probably especially.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, did you.

[Luke Ball]

Trump was gone.

[Tim Pool]

But did you see the story that Kamala's internals always had her behind Donald Trump? They knew she.

[Phil Labonte]

Was he making comments about not pardoning Hunter before Kamala.

[Luke Ball]

That's the thing. Before he got swapped out, I think that.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that he was under the impression, he thought that he was going to be the guy. And I think that the reason that he was behaving that he did the way he did is because he believed that he was gonna beat Donald Trump. He's like, I'm the only guy that's beating Donald Trump, you know, any. There's no one else that apparently is going to. I'm the guy that the Democrats have chosen to run. So he'd made all the, you know, he was, he was making all the moves as if he was going to be, you know, it was gonna be Donald Trump versus Joe Biden. And then the debate just, you know, threw a wrench in the works and they had to change. They had to make a change.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, absolutely. And then also the statement that he made saying that very few people are ever charged for mis. Falsifying a record on a gun buying thing. Obviously these people have never dealt with the atf. They've never dealt with trying to run a gun shop or anything. The ATF is so out of control. Going the Department of Justice out of control. I know several people and I mean, like when you're filling out these gun forms, you go over them very carefully because if you mess them up, you're going to, not just you might go to jail, you also lose all your guns for a period of 180 days. It's absolutely ridiculous.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, so I, I do think that, that the, the, the intent was to, you know, set the stage for a second Biden administration. I don't think that it was about, you know, that, I don't think that they, they believed that they were gonna, they were gonna lose. I think that they believe that all of the years of, you know, four years, of eight years of Donald Trump's the baddest, baddest man in the world and the Orange man bad and et cetera, et cetera, I think they believe that they were gonna, they were going to win. I think that they, they probably were believing the, the internal polling saying that, you know, Donald Trump wasn't going to be, be able to beat Joe Biden. And I think that it came up and it bit him in the ass.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And also you really got to think about when Joe Biden came up through the ranks in politics, in, in his mind, he had everything going for him that he needed to have. He had all of those Hollywood elites, he had all of the media companies on his side. He was trashing them through. Not through un, through earned, in earned media. And he really thought, I think he was going to win. I legitimately don't believe that Joe Biden knew he was out of, until it was announced on the news. I don't.

[Alad Elahu]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

I agree. That letter that was posted on his ex, I don't think he wrote. Not at all.

[Luke Ball]

No, no.

[Tim Pool]

They probably kept telling him to bow out and he said no. That week. He said, I'm not going to do it. Then this letter appears on his Twitter account being like, yeah, I'm out. I don't think he wrote or knew about it. So. So let me show you this. We had this viral video, nine minutes of Democrats and liberal media saying that Joe would never pardon his son. And this morning, I was thinking, nine minutes is too long. I don't want to watch nine minutes of these people. It's bad enough I got to watch one minute of them. So I decided I would make my own edit of it where every time they say it, it speeds up and exponentially increases in speed until it's incomprehensible shrieking, which, to be fair, is already the case, but I will play a little bit just so you can hear it. And this is not about me making the joke. It's about you understanding the media and how they responded to Joe saying he would not issue this pardon if it before a family.

[Luke Ball]

I said, I abide by the jury decision.

[Phil Labonte]

I will do that, and I will not pardon him.

[Tim Pool]

Letting the world know that he will not wipe away the decision of 12.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Of his son's peers.

[Tim Pool]

Was asked directly, and he has said he wouldn't pardon his son if he gets convicted. Let's wait and see what happens if he loses. Yeah, but, I mean, but he said it. He's gonna get pardoned by his dad. There's no question about that.

[Madison Cawthorn]

The president has ruled out pardoning his son. Major commitment from the President accepting the.

[Tim Pool]

Outcome of the trial and also pledging.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Not to pardon his son.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, you get the point. And then if you want to watch the flavor, you can, but eventually turns into this, because it's. No, in all seriousness, nine minutes was too long for me to listen to now. Here's. Here's why.

[Luke Ball]

Far more intelligent than the normal speaker.

[Tim Pool]

One that is true. I'd rather just hear that. But here's why it's interesting. This story from the Daily Wire. Pardoning Hunter was on the table when Joe Biden said he wouldn't. Biden publicly said he wouldn't pardon his son, but privately discussed doing just that. Now they're trying to make the claim that it was Jill Biden who pressured Joe into doing it. It's all lies. This story, according to a Sunday report from NBC News. During the same period when Joe was saying, we will not do it publicly and on tv, and everyone in the media was acting like they believed him. They say, quote, the President had discussed pardoning his son with some of his closest aides, at least since Hunter Biden's conviction in June. Said two people with direct knowledge of the discussions about the matter. They said it was decided at the time that he would publicly say he would not pardon his son, even though doing so remained on the table. Chris Wallace was right. It's that he was saying, if I lose, I'll pardon him. If not, I won't. And here and then he would have the DOJ do something, or, you know, probably would have pardoned him, no matter what. The fact is, the media are not smart people. We know they're not smart people. And I have to imagine some of them at least know for sure they're lying. I absolutely think so. I think most of you do, too, when they're sitting there saying, well, look, he said he's not going to do it. And then they act surprised that behind the scenes he was saying he'd do it the whole time.

[Alad Elahu]

I think this is an Occam's Razor type situation where the simplest explanation is, is really what's going on. Joe Biden was always going to pardon Hunter Biden. Well, originally he was going for the sweetheart plea deal that the judge had to throw out. The judge who was ruling in that case had to throw up because he thought it was so ridiculous, because it also included that part where he couldn't be convicted for any other crimes that he committed in the past decade or so. So I really think that's the situation there. And they couldn't have done it sooner because of the election and the politics involved with that. So it's really as simple as that. Hunter was never going to go to jail. He was either going to get a sweetheart deal or Joe Biden was going to pardon him. And that's what ended up happening. Him and Joe are him. Joe Biden and Hunter Biden are very close. They talk every day. Let's not forget, Thanksgiving just happened. I'm sure they were talking about this over Thanksgiving dinner when. When Joe Biden was thinking about dropping out. Hunter Biden was one of his close confidants for whatever reason. So we need to understand how close they are.

[Tim Pool]

And I want. I want to stress this, too, for someone in the chat asked, can you pardon someone for crimes they haven't yet committed? Yes. What my understanding right now is, it's not been challenged, but this is what they just did.

[Luke Ball]

Well, it's the closest thing to the purge we've ever had in the United States. Hunter Biden can go out and do whatever the heck he wants to this evening.

[Madison Cawthorn]

As long as the federal crime, he's good.

[Luke Ball]

As long as a federal crime.

[Tim Pool]

So in D.C. he can do whatever.

[Luke Ball]

He wants, can't run a stoplight, but he can shoot somebody in the middle.

[Tim Pool]

Of 3rd Avenue in D.C. it's all federal.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It's all federal. It is indeed.

[Tim Pool]

And you know, he's just driving around D.C. they doing who knows what.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I think the biggest point that we all need to take away from this is to just realize how complete complicit the media has been, how outrageously and aggressively the President of the United States lied to you. It's just another lesson that you do not hate these people enough. These people will lie to you at every single turn. They will never be honest with you. And at the end of the day, these people hate you. They think that you're a childish. They think they need to hold your hand throughout everything and that they are your elites. And that's why there's a two tiered system of justice.

[Luke Ball]

And the media is not pissed off that Hunter Biden was pardoned. They're pissed off that now we get compilations like this of them defending President and saying that he said he would not pardon them. And this is like the third or fourth time in the last few weeks that something like this has happened. A complete 180 reversal. I just remember Joe Biden saying, I am not stepping down. And so the media gets their talking points and they go out there and saying, he is not going to step down. And then it happens. And now it's this Hunter Biden thing. There's like two other examples. And now they're just angry at him. They're, they, they can't even defend it anymore.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's jump sharp as Joe Biden is sharp as attack. We were hearing that for ages.

[Tim Pool]

You know, we got this story from the Daily Mail, Special Prosecutor slams Hunter Biden's bid to dismiss his indictment after dad Joe's pardon. This is wild because what the DOJ is basically saying is we've seen no pardon. We've heard media reports there's a pardon, but until we get the actual filing, you can't dismiss these charges. Now, some are saying this is just. It's going through the motions. It's making it look like there's a battle. But what I will add to this, which I find very fascinating, is how this backfires. I think the Democrats, Joe Biden understands there will be some blowback from this in some ways, but they have no choice. They lost the election. Hunter's in trouble. The Burisma scandal stuff is going to come out with Cash Patel coming in. And so the issue now for Joe is that he basically just said the DOJ is corrupt, targeting my son for political reasons. And my response to that is, wow, Joe, I can't believe the DOJ is corrupt and engaging in this political law. Fair Trump has been saying something similar. I guess this proves it.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I guess this proves it. I really do. And this is the one of this is something that I think is going to give Donald Trump a lot of ammunition. It now is the former outgoing president, who is a hardcore Democrat, who's been one of the most liberal presidents we ever had, is now saying the DOJ is corrupt to its core, which is something, a talking point all of MAGA has been saying for the last eight years. And I think this has given us a lot of ammunition to now be able to say, hey, we need to burn this institution to the ground and rebuild something that values the Constitution, the rule of law.

[Alad Elahu]

Yeah, it's worth mentioning. This is the Merrick Garland Department of Justice. This isn't any Trump loyalist really bringing these charges up.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It's Merrick Garland, the lap dog of Joe Biden.

[Luke Ball]

And remember, they didn't just lose the election, they have lost their blue wall of bureaucracy in D.C. the number of lawyers within the Department of Justice that are writing their resignation letters.

[Tim Pool]

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[Luke Ball]

Right now is astronomical. I think that once we get somebody in that Department of Justice that actually is going to enforce the rule of law and go after the law fair that has been going after Donald Trump for so long, they're going to have to have an Enormous amount of applications that pour into that agency because it's just going. There's an article right now, I saw it in Politico, that D.C. residents are concerned about their property values going down because of the sheer amount of bureaucrats and government workers that are going to be fired in leaving white Washington, D.C. it is going to be that effective.

[Phil Labonte]

There should be a fire sale on beautiful houses in Langley, in all the surrounding areas, because I'm stacking up cash.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I'm ready to move.

[Phil Labonte]

There are some absolutely beautiful properties and there should be. I mean, never mind what they're actually going to cut and get rid of. But the idea of getting departments out of Washington is a great idea as well. Get them out into different parts of the country. Get them away from D.C. so that way you do not have a unified political opinion. 96% of the people in DC voted for Kamala Harris for someone that is absolutely unqualified. And they did it only because of ideological. Because they're ideologically aligned. So that right there is a massive problem. The entire bureaucracy needs to be cut up, even if you're not actually able to do the kind of significant, you know, cabinet level cuts that I would personally like to see. Move them. Get them out of there. Get them out of D.C. get them out. There's, there's a whole big country out there. You can send them all over the place. Denver's gorgeous. You can send them all over.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And not only can you send them all over the country, you can send them to places where it makes sense, where the staffing is, people that understand it. Why would the Department of Agriculture not be in Kansas in the center of all these corn fields?

[Phil Labonte]

I was great.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Who have, yeah, Iowa's phenomenal. Where people who, they've said, oh, you know, I just sold my farm, my children are taking over. Let's now have someone who's been a farmer for 70 years. I know a bajillion farmers down. And we got Whitworth Farms. You, you got, you've got Alfie Oaks down in Florida. Go ahead and send it down there in the Sunshine State. These people will be taking care of all the agricultural stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

You can send BLM to Reno.

[Luke Ball]

It's also worth noting that when you pointed out like 90% of DC voted for Kamala, we have had generation after generation of Republican staffers and congressmen go and live and vote in Washington D.C. and the way that town is structured is that you have to kiss up to the lobbyists and the special interests while you are either elected to Capitol Hill or working on Capitol Hill as a staffer, or else your career goes nowhere. If you don't actually build out your relationships with K Street, then you're not going to advance to these cushy jobs. And so we put Republicans in office who sit there long enough and realize they can get very comfortable showing up to all the swanky dinners and just capitulating to the special interests. Then they get their $500,000 a year position at K Street and these lobbying firms and they slowly become a Democrat. Very few people go up there to change that town. And you know this better than anybody else. If you go up there and start trying to actually change the city systematically, then you are going to be basically just humiliated as much as possible. You're going to be vilified, you're going to be lied about, all of these different things.

[Tim Pool]

Look at Trump in his first term. He wasn't even doing anything that ridiculous. When you look at the people he chose for his cabinet the first time around, a lot of people groaned, a lot of populists and a lot of libertarians were like, Bolton is a great example. And they still tried to destroy him and accuse him of being a traitor to this country, working for Russia and dare I say it on msnbc, the Soviet Union, which doesn't exist. But these people were accused of being smart and.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Well, can I just jump in? The reason why people hated Donald Trump in Washington so much is because he messed up people's long term career plans. And I'm sure everyone at the table understands this, but in Washington D.C. you got to think people's career spans are only about 20 years. So normally you're going to work on Capitol hill for about 10 years, might become a deputy chief of staff, maybe a chief of staff staff. But then you're going to go spend two years of stint on K Street and you're going to understand what with some lobbying company wants you to do. And then you're going to say, oh, because I care so much about this country, I'm going to go back into the government. But really, you are secretly working for K Street Steel. You will then come in as a chief of staff. You will direct because the majority of congressmen literally just are handed to their vote cards. They have no idea what they're voting on. They're going to go there and all your chief of staff is running it. I mean literally your staff is policy. And so then you're going to go push the interest of whatever lobbying group you worked for last time. So then when you Leave in six years, for the last three years of your career on Capitol Hill, you will then be a senior partner of one of these K Street firms and you will make four to five hundred thousand dollars a year. And that is people's entire retirement plan. So when Donald Trump came in and wanted to import a lot of the low level staffers, it messed up a lot of people's opportunities to go and make these opportunities for these K Street lobbying firms. And that is why people hate him so much inside the city.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the, the, the big problem is the, is the bureaucracy and the fact that the politicians are actually removed from the people that, from the people that can actually have repercussions on them. So the people that are making the decisions and the people that are actually making policy and stuff like that, it's people that can't be fired or that can't be booted by the electorate. It's people that are, that are bureaucrats and stuff. So if the people are unhappy with a politician, the politician may not get elected. But the people that are working on K Street, like you said, the lobbyists, they're all the same people. And they're gonna find another person to work for. And it doesn't matter if it was this guy or that guy, they're gonna be doing the exact same job. And that's why people can change, people can elect new politicians, but essentially the same things that were happening before continue to go on. The policy actually doesn' and it's necessary to make the kind of cuts that Donald Trump is talking about. And I love the fact that Donald Trump is talking about this, but I don't care if it's Donald Trump. I was a libertarian. I'm a very libertarian kind of guy. So if it was a libertarian that got in there, if Rand Paul was the guy doing it, I'd be back in Rand Paul or Mike Lee or anyone with that kind of interest to actually make real cuts to the government, to make real changes, to put the power back into the, the hands of the electorate, back into the hands of the people. Because right now it's all in a bureaucracy.

[Luke Ball]

Yeah, you got Paul helps you out a lot.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Oh, Rand Paul did help me out.

[Luke Ball]

It's why I love the House way more than the Senate, because you stay up there for six years, you solidify incumbency. And the American people have a very short memory.

[Madison Cawthorn]

They do indeed. But Rand Paul's a phenomenal guy. I love him. But I do got to give a big shout out for Donald Trump going for the libertarians, you know, going to. When he went to the Libertarian conference, I thought that was a masterful move.

[Phil Labonte]

He went and asked. Asked.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, he went and asked. It was a very humble thing to do, and I really appreciate it. And also, you know, he parroted some Vivek Ramaswamy talking points because for so long, we've all said, well, you know, this is the largest union in the country. We can't fire bureaucrats, so what can we do? But Vivek had a very great point. The only way to do it is to do mass layoffs of the federal government for fiscal reasons. And then you can get rid of 80 to 80 to 90% of these people who legitimately don't matter. And people who are concerned about that happening, like, well, what's going to happen? Think about whenever the government shuts down, does your life actually change? Aside from being able to go on the Blue Ridge Parkway and speed? Because there's no. There's no park rangers, really. What, What, What.

[Phil Labonte]

What.

[Madison Cawthorn]

What is.

[Alad Elahu]

What is.

[Luke Ball]

Rangers are parked. Rangers.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Wow. You know what? I support Florida Highway Patrol more than anything you could ever imagine. I back them in a way.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The government shutdowns are bad for. For, I think servicemen and women get their paychecks delayed or sad. Yeah, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about the other component, which you never see or deal with with, is just, what do you care?

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah. The 9,000 freaking analysts that work at every single agency, those are the people that have said, I mean, when we look at a bunch of Trump's cabinet pits. No one. None of the frontline guys. Let's look at the FBI.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I do have some concerns. I don't want to interrupt you, though.

[Madison Cawthorn]

No, no, no. Go, Captain Tim. This is your show, brother.

[Tim Pool]

Well, my concern is that if Elon and Vivek do get in there and they start gutting a lot of these programs, how are we going to know what happens when you give hamsters cocaine and put them in a fighting ring?

[Luke Ball]

Yeah, I will. I will personally fund it. I don't just want a percentage of my taxes.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't want to interrupt you. I want all my taxes.

[Madison Cawthorn]

We're going to Colombia and we're going to find out.

[Tim Pool]

No, but this is actually was one of the studies. They were like, why are we making hamsters do drugs and fight each other? There's. There's probably some, like, well, you know, we're wondering what happens to mammals, but it's like, come on.

[Phil Labonte]

Doing that. It would be Fine, but it's the government doing it.

[Luke Ball]

Okay, look, if they live streamed, it'd be fine too. But they do it in private.

[Phil Labonte]

Like they don't give us any.

[Luke Ball]

Return my tax money.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I want to be sitting front row. I want Dana White announcing it, and I want to hear which hamster is going in.

[Tim Pool]

Now, there have been some people pointed out that some of these studies do sound weird, but are for a reason. Like they might give a certain drug to an animal to see if it increases aggression or decrease because they don't want to test on humans. But my point is, largely, so much of our money is going to things that. Let's just call it triage. Fine, I get it. You want to take a look at what happens when a certain drug impacts an animal because you want to see if there's a relation to how humans may behave or something like that. I got an idea. First, we stopped sending all of our money overseas to these foreign countries for.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Gender studies in Egypt, I feel like is a really important.

[Tim Pool]

Pakistan was a big one. It was like $11 million. How about we fix our roads, fix our bridges? I got to tell you, if we're sending another 725 million. Ukraine, how about this? You just say, okay, same thing, but here, it's here. And we're going to, I don't know, like, build some roads.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I'm pretty sure that Ukraine is now located. If I. My geography is bad, but I think it's. Western North Carolina was just rocked by a massive hurricane. I think they could use some roads there. And the fact that we literally have the 35th Engineering Group based in North Carolina, who can create a bridge for the military to cross like about 30 seconds with some of their machines, yet we could not get a bridge to get people out and get to their homes in western North Carolina is insane to me.

[Luke Ball]

Legitimately made me angry. That. And we were talking about a little bit before the show. The government comes in and says it will take two to three months for us to fix this road. And a bunch of grizzled vets from the mountains come down and do it in 48 hours.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And, and Phil, you're going love this because I used to actually be, you know, I, I always am pretty libertarian leaning on a lot of my beliefs that, you know, most things should be legalized. You should allow the people to just figure out what they want. But I always. There was the talking point that I used to back a lot, saying, well, who's going to build the roads? I watch. I mean, I Got my buddy Ellis Pace. I got a significant amount of friends in western North Carolina and I watched a bunch of backcountry wise hillbillies literally building roads in record breaking time and roads that I would, it's like Roman roads. They're going to exist for all time. Time. And so I'm just telling you, I, it, it made me swing way more libertarian.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the Daily Caller.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I don't want to talk about, I don't want to talk about her.

[Tim Pool]

You don't want to talk about kgp?

[Madison Cawthorn]

She makes me mad, man. My blood pressure is going to go up.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we're going to talk about kg.

[Madison Cawthorn]

All right, here we go.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

She takes a verbal flogging from reporters after Biden. There we go. See, I like that.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yes. Okay, never mind.

[Tim Pool]

Because she's, she, I, I do kind of feel bad for her, I gotta honest because she's tasked with lying for one of the stupidest administrations this country has ever seen. And even as bad as she is at her job, it's like she's trying to do it. But then behind you, I mean you've got stumbling, fumbling Joe who can't speak straight, Hunter Biden committing crimes and burisma. And she's desperately trying to spin something together, but she's gonna take the full brunt of this. So one of the most fascinating things that came out of this was when someone said how deep is the rot at the doj? This is a journalist asking Karine Jean Pierre. She's got no good answers. There is an audio thing right here. You have said repeatedly yourself since the election. The President has said for months no pardon was coming. I just, I wanted to ask you.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Could those statements now be seen as.

[Tim Pool]

Lies from the American people?

[Phil Labonte]

Is there really a credibility issue here.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Given now this announcement?

[Tim Pool]

First of all, one of the things that the President always believes is to be truthful to the American people.

[Madison Cawthorn]

That is something that he always truly believes. And if you see the end of.

[Tim Pool]

His, I assume that you've read his statement and you look at the end of that statement and he actually says.

[Madison Cawthorn]

That in the first line in the last paragraph.

[Luke Ball]

And respects the thinking and.

[Tim Pool]

How, yeah, blah blah, blah, we don't hear this. But the problem for her now and this decaying administration is they've probably lied in every possible direction claiming both things at the same time. And now I mentioned this in the previous segment, but I'll say it again. The question that the press is asking her is how deep is the rot at the doj. I mean that's funny because it's no longer denied. Trump has long said it's being weaponized. Trump supporters, many people have said the DOJ is weaponized against the political rivals. And now you've got Karine Jean Pierre as part of an administration where Joe Biden literally just said it's like the prosecution. And so now that's it, it's confirmed and she has to answer for that. She can't.

[Luke Ball]

That clip reminded me of sending Daniel into the lion's den with a bowl of salad, trying to convince the lions that it is good to eat and not allowing them to just completely attack her. The two faced lies coming from this administration every single time that they put.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Her out there 100%. And this is a thing that I think we need to understand about people in the media. People like Kareem J. Pierre, their number one thing they hate the most. And this is something you were touching on earlier. Tim is being embarrassed. And so when they have to come out and they're parroting their normal talking points for the left that they always do, then all of a sudden the left goes and does a 180. Joe Biden does drop out. He does pardon his son. They do say the DOJ is rotten to its core. It embarrasses them and it makes them upset. And I'm just hoping people can finally start realizing that you do not hate these people enough.

[Phil Labonte]

I really think that like, like the all evidence says that they have a humiliation kink because all they ever do is embarrass them.

[Madison Cawthorn]

What did Joe, what did Tucker Carlson say when some guy said what kind of porn do you watch? And he said, oh, humiliation porn. I watch you do it a lot.

[Luke Ball]

We do have a lot of political masous in the country.

[Phil Labonte]

Sincerely. I mean, kjp, how on earth she does her job? Like how on earth she can go out there day after day? I would have resigned. There's no way that I would have been able to do what she does and actually have any self respect. I couldn't.

[Tim Pool]

I just feel, I kind of feel bad for her. You know what I mean? I mean, as bad as you can for someone who's lying to you every day intentionally. But it's just, you know, look, someone with a goal with the mission, be it good or evil, they're trying, but she's got to try for Joe Biden, like trying to lie for that guy, that's a difficult thing. Oof.

[Luke Ball]

I mean, I mean he pardons his son and Then doesn't leave the country, he leaves the continent.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, he went to Africa.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Africa.

[Tim Pool]

I love that.

[Luke Ball]

Gone to Africa. Like, it. Also, this is like a pattern. Like he, he was in a rainforest like two weeks ago after he said something stupid.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then he walked into the rainforest.

[Luke Ball]

He just walked into the rainforest after.

[Tim Pool]

Like, where's he going?

[Madison Cawthorn]

I know.

[Luke Ball]

Like, is he looking for other homes? Like, Hunter wants to stay in the country and Joe Biden didn't pardon himself. He's just going to go over to Africa somewhere. Like, what's he up to?

[Alad Elahu]

I don't know. To be fair, her job is to lie and then get called out for it and just try to keep lying and like, send the media off of the trail of whatever they're trying to accomplish.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you're right. But you look at, like, you look at the way that McEnany did her job and, and look, that was awesome. I think Donald Trump is, is going to be great. But Donald Trump was very loose with facts and he was very, very loose with the way he spoke. And kjp, just when it comes to the way that, that Biden lies compared to the way that McEnany would deal with things that Donald Trump said that were skirting the truth or were incorrect or whatever, she was an absolute all star. Just McEnany handled the press and handled Donald Trump incredibly professionally, and she generally made the press look bad. Kjp, I mean, like I said, if I were, I can't imagine how she looks herself in the mirror every day because not only does she have to go out there and defend some of the most blatant lies, but she does it. Does it so badly that you're not buying it. At least McEnany, you were like, okay, yeah, you know, she's got that book, she's pulling up things that people said and she was going, you know, had every, all these things marked because she knew what they were going to ask that day, every single day. She knew what the press was going to ask because she knew what Donald Trump had said. KJP comes out there and it's, it's. She doesn't have good answers for the things that Joe Biden has said.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah. And I'll tell you, you know, I think Kaylee McInerney, her sister Ryan, they're literally once in generation talents on handling the media. And the thing that I love about Kaylee is no matter what Donald Trump would say and you know, then the media would start going off like, oh, well, actually this, this isn't True. And we think that this was exaggerated. As soon as Kaylee all of a sudden would hear that, she would say, oh, we're going to page 42. And I love to have sue turn, have a great French tip nail nails, all of a sudden turn and then just rip this person a new one and then bring out receipts. And then it turned out, oh, wait, Donald Trump was telling the truth. It's like, it's like literally when they're saying, oh, the water's turning the frogs gay, it's exactly what's happening.

[Luke Ball]

Yeah.

[Madison Cawthorn]

God, for rfk, we're going to fix that problem.

[Luke Ball]

Republicans have to be prepared with the media.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Luke Ball]

Democrats have not had to be prepared for the media. And now they are getting a little taste of it, a small taste of it, because she came out there all prepared. KJP could have just walked out there and had basically her time in the sun and just enjoyed it and soaked it up. But you, even on Capitol Hill, when you are dealing with reporters, they will treat you differently. With the Democrats, they're writing up your, your bill on the latest legislation that you wrote. And with Republicans, it is taking your words and twisting them wildly out of context and then asking you for comment five minutes before they drop on the wire.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I also feel bad for Jen Psaki because she was better. She was better. I actually gave her praise because I'm like, as liars go, she's, she's, she's crafty. Right. You know, she doesn't, she's not great, but she does a good job. But she goes to msnbc and now it's just, you know, and now Alex.

[Luke Ball]

Jones is going to buy her out.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

She jumped ship to go to a sinking ship. And it's like, oof, man. Well, you know, you can, you can only feel so bad because part of me, there's just the schadenfreude of like, you are evil people. You lie, cheat and steal. You have disdain for the working class in this country, you have disdain for the population of this country. And this is what happens when you're a bad person. So what can I say?

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah. But the big thing is, you know, we got Caroline Levitt coming in as press secretary, and I think she had a phenomenal idea and I think it's heavily influenced by Baron. But the big thing is that we're going to start opening seats up for alternative media, kind of the new media and having a lot. I mean, I hope, you know, you'll be there. Yes. Affairs correspondent. I'm going to make you a name for that. But, I mean, you think about this, we're going to start having people who are not tied to editors, who are not tied to people who have to push all of their. Because when you think of, like, places like Tim Cast, place like Daily Wire, they have their subscription service. So you guys are not going to lose your income that's going to float you all the time so you can actually report the truth. And I think having these people in the press in the briefing room is going to be a massive, massive win for the American people.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, that's, that's the goal is to have, have that kind of, you know, that kind of influence. But I, I want, I'm curious as to if you guys think that there's going to be an actual change the way that the, the media treats the incoming Donald Trump administration because of the fact that there's going to be, I imagine there's going to be some amount of podcast people. And if I understand correctly, the President has been signaling that they're gonna have podcasters as people in the press pool. And if it's no longer dominated by the people, the establishment media or the legacy media, if it's no longer dominated, do you think that the tone and tenor inside the press pool is going to have to change? Or do you think it's going to be something where you're going to have like the podcasters and the, and the legacy media, you know, bickering amongst each other? Or here's competing.

[Luke Ball]

Because they will be competing. They will definitely be competing.

[Tim Pool]

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[Madison Cawthorn]

Partisan.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a home cocktail maker that makes.

[Tim Pool]

Over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites, too. I just got it for 50 off, so how about a Cosmopolitan or a mistletoe margarita?

[Madison Cawthorn]

I'm thirsty.

[Phil Labonte]

Watch.

[Tim Pool]

I just pop in a capsule, choose.

[Madison Cawthorn]

My strength and wow, it's beginning to feel more seasonal in here already.

[Tim Pool]

If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender. Unless you've got a Bartesian, because Bartesian crafts everything cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds. And I just got it for $50 off.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Tis the season to be jollier.

[Tim Pool]

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[Madison Cawthorn]

Yes, you heard Me shake your phone and get $50 off.

[Phil Labonte]

Don't delay.

[Luke Ball]

But, but the people who are the White House correspondents for these major networks are trying to be. They're trying to run their sizzle reel for the show they want to get. So Caitlin Collins, who used to work at the Daily Caller, goes in on cnn, becomes the White House correspondent, and she has these clashes and what does she do? She gets her own show. Jim Acosta, same thing with cnn. They view this as their opportunity to try and catch their wave of legitimacy with the Trump administration.

[Phil Labonte]

So I want to, I want to follow up to that. The. It clearly didn't work out for CNN to have Kaitlyn Collins or Jim Acosta have their own shows. They've watched their viewership go down.

[Luke Ball]

It's not about cnn. It's about the person themselves. They are trying to say, how can I best appeal to the virality of the opportunity? So, like, if I clash with the President of the United States or the press secretary in the briefing room and I go viral, then the libs are going to love that. And then all of the folks at the station are going to say, this person gets ratings. They must have their own show or they're generating revenue in some way. So it's all about that individual getting their moment because then they will, they have contracts, but they'll use it to their leverage. If another network offers them a better position, then they're going to go towards that. That and they're going to bring their social media following and their Persona over to that network and then continue to clash with the president. So this is an amazing opportunity for people in liberal media to make their mark because there will be others who get their own show after two or three years and then hold the administration accountable and get a bump of ratings off that. And doesn't mean that long term is going to work out. I mean, like, Newsmax is beating CNN just about every night right now. MSNBC is about to get sold off to something. However, those individuals themselves have made a stamp in their career for themselves and frankly, they've already made their millions, too.

[Madison Cawthorn]

That's absolutely great. But, Phil, going back to your point, I do think in the, in the briefing room, when you're going to have kind of the podcasters and people, alternative media in there, and then you're going to have the legacy media in there. I do believe there's going to be, for the first few months, maybe a year kind of, it's going to be like a scene from Mean Girls where they're like, oh, you guys aren't actually from us Us, you know, you're not one of us. We don't like you that much. But then all of a sudden you're going to see them then be like, wow, these the proofs in the pudding. I mean, it's like we just watched a video of RFK with his shirt off at 70 years old doing a backflip off a pull up bar and it's like, okay, that's the guy we want in chart. Oh, it was sick. Wow. It was sick. He's like, that's, that's the guy. We need a backflip.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, no, not like, I mean he pulled himself up all the way back rolled backwards.

[Tim Pool]

I see, I see.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, but any, but you see this guy with his shirt off and he's freaking jacked at 70 years old. It's like, okay, the proof's in the pudding. And I think that's what people are going to start realizing with these podcasters are asking honest questions. The American want to know and they're starting to get massive rating bumps.

[Tim Pool]

Honest question is, what is in his pudding?

[Luke Ball]

Well, not red dye number 30.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Not red dye number 30. I guarantee that guy's getting about 2. 2. 2. About 2. He's getting a lot of tears.

[Phil Labonte]

It's called gear, man.

[Alad Elahu]

Who knows? It might be, I've asked themselves from all those fetuses, those late term abortions that he supports.

[Madison Cawthorn]

So we like, we're pro life here.

[Alad Elahu]

We got a pass for that, but.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Welcome people into the big party.

[Alad Elahu]

But I think we forgot he was a Democrat, like I don't know, eight months ago.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Well, let me tell you.

[Tim Pool]

But the issue is the Republicans, especially under Donald Trump, are basically saying we're going to be the big tent party. We're going to welcome people like RFK Jr. In and then we're going to be the dominant voice in the conversation. So negotiate where you have to to win the bulk of the political power.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Absolutely. And that's, that's one thing that I get upset about a lot of times with, with conservatives. And I, I'm a hardcore conservative. But we were talking about this earlier. Conservatives are very hard with accepting incremental victories, whereas the left is very happy with it. So for the last 60 years, well before any of us were born, the left started winning incremental victories. They say, oh, we'll win one inch this year. And then they do that for 60 years and then look at where our country's at. And it, it was a slow boil. We're like the frog that's in, in the sauce pan. They're slowly turning up the heat. And so, you know, I, I am happy to welcome people on to our party because one, one, they might, we might be ideologically different, but this is one thing that I actually like about podcasts. I mean, you can look at Tim, you can look at Joe Rogan, you've got anybody. If you force Americans, people with brains to sit down and have honest conversations, they actually have to not use talking points. They're actually using common sense. Then people are always going to start shifting to the right because our side just makes sense. And when you actually start thinking about these things, the less talking points fall apart. And so when we start welcoming people in like rfk, like Tulsi Gabbard, who have some ideological differences with us, they're now going to have conversations with people who are having very backed up honest and common sense backed up conversations. And I think it's going to move them aggressively to the right.

[Alad Elahu]

Are you concerned that could water down the message a little bit at all? Because, for example, like I know Rand Paul, he's a great MAGA guy, but he's against Trump's use of the military for deporting illegal immigrants, for example. So like, if you keep bringing in Democrats, you know, I'm, I'm like a 14 weeker when it comes to abortion. But for many people in the party, they feel like their voice is getting drowned out when they have people like RFK getting abortion appointed HHS secretary. He'll be the most pro choice Republican appointed HHS secretary. So it's just, you know, what is your reaction to people saying it's watering down what he's trying to accomplish?

[Madison Cawthorn]

I disagree with that. I vehemently think that there are so many voices in the party and I mean, we all like rfk, but everyone realized that RFK used to be a liberal, you know, he used to be a Democrat. And so I think, I don't think our message is being watered down. I think our message is being amplified now, is starting to get to different audiences because I mean, the one thing that I love about conservatives is we will not budge like this new generation of conservatives. I don't care how many arrows you send at me, I don't care how much you, how many articles you write about me, I will not give up. You can call me a Nazi every single time I walk by you. I'm not going to sit there. Oh, you know what? Yeah, I gosh, you think I'm a Nazi? I'm going to send $600 million to Ukraine. It's never going to happen. It's never. Because we know what we believe. And so I don't think we're going to lose any massive support on our side. I think the only thing that's going to happen is when people start coming into the outer grass. I mean, I like using libertarianism as a gateway drug to conservatism because it's.

[Alad Elahu]

Like, hey, when you grow up.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, yeah, it's like, it's like, hey, you know what?

[Phil Labonte]

Look, man, I don't call myself a libertarian. I'm Libertarian leaning. But the Libertarian Party is insane.

[Tim Pool]

But the Libertarian Party has two, has two directions. Yes. So Chase Oliver, for instance, that was insane. Right.

[Alad Elahu]

But you think Trump will keep his promise with Ross Albright, the party?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, absolutely. I want to jump to this story from slate.com slate as a member of the media, I for one think Cash Patel is a great choice to lead the FBI out. Thank heavens we finally get a sensible liberal over at Slate saying Cash is a great choice. He adds, and I'm not at all saying that because he's threatened to prosecute journalists for having said Donald Trump didn't win the 2020 election. Well, he's not saying it, so there you go. So he says Cash is great. So basically the narrative they're pushing now is that Cash Patel, who was nominated to be FBI director, which is based af, is a conspiracy theorist who is going to arrest journalists. MSNBC's Morning Joe, desperate for RA ratings, played the clip of Cash saying this three times where he was basically saying, he didn't say, I'm going to arrest journalists. He said, those that basically conspired against this country and were defrauding the American people. We're going to investigate you, be it civilly or criminally, whichever one we have to do. And now they're saying they're conflating it into he's going to arrest journalists for saying Trump didn't win. The best case, like if you were a liberal and you won, make an honest, dark interpretation, is that he is going to sue you for defamation. That's their worst case scenario.

[Alad Elahu]

In reality, I think this makes sense given Cash's background. He helped with the Nunez memo, which helped go through all the Russia Gate bullshit that he helped clarify through. And that's why I think a lot of people have a mark on his back from. And that's why he has a mark for the media, an eye out for the media because of all the filings and Russiagate scandal that he was heavily involved with helping debunk.

[Luke Ball]

And I mean, the media was in bed with the FBI multiple times throughout the Russia hoax. In fact, it was what compiled the Steele dossier.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Exactly.

[Luke Ball]

It was leaked media reports on purpose from the FBI to the media to compile the Steele dossier, to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. And that is just one example, in my opinion, of what we know about. Like, I don't think they just came up with that. I think that that has probably been used in the past. And so when he's talking about holding these people accountable, that's what he's referring to. The fact that the media was used as a conduit to hijack our legal system to pursue a political opponent that absolutely needs to be prosecuted 100%.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And I mean, even going as far back as Watergate, I mean, they wanted to get the president out to put in a moderate establishment candidate in, as they put him in as vice president. And that's why they tried to get rid of him, because that guy was a freaking populist. And honestly, he's pretty based to the.

[Phil Labonte]

Fullest extent of the law. Like every single violation of the law. I want the DOJ to come down like a ton of bricks. And I don't care if it's a conservative or a Republican or a Democrat. If you've broken the law, I want the DOJ to annihilate you to the fullest extent of the law.

[Tim Pool]

Accountability.

[Alad Elahu]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And equality under the law. No more of this. These anti. This is what Cash brought up on this show. Two antifa lawyers giving up Molotov cocktails during riots in New York. And they wash away the charges and say, okay, we're going to give you a sweetheart deal. And then you got J Sixers, some who are still in solitary confinement without charge. So look, if you want to say the J6ers deserve to be in jail, my response is if they committed a crime, they should go to jail. And social, the liberals and the leftists who commit crimes, they should go to jail as well. And so when we got the five, we call it M29, remember M29, the insurrection in front of the White House where they forced the President into emergency bunker, set fire to St. John's Church and firebombed the White House grounds. Those people should be in jail. Equality under the law. We don't have that right now. And I hope Cash brings it.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I, I absolutely agree. I was there on January 6. Now, anybody who was there assaulting a police officer, I Think that's, that that's a crime. But the majority of people, the doors were open. You literally had Capitol Police officers walking people through, and those people are sitting there rotting in jail. I have talked to several ATF agents in Florida, Florida, who are upset about their job because they were having to go knock on doors to serve warrants and take people's guns away.

[Phil Labonte]

Who.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Because they were in the Capitol on January 6th. Yeah, it's, it's an absolutely ridiculous two tiered system of justice, and it's wrong.

[Alad Elahu]

Madison, do you have any insight to how other members of Congress, Republicans, your former colleagues, felt about January 6th?

[Madison Cawthorn]

And I do, yes. You know, there were a lot of people who were really upset about it that, you know, that they just thought that so many people, they didn't really know how to feel about it because one, we were all on the floor at the time. I was about to just, I was about to start the debate to contest the election in Wisconsin, and we were all on the floor. All of a sudden you hear everybody's radios from all the Capitol Police officers start going off, buzzing all around, and then you see these guys get really straight backed and, you know, it just kind of changed the feelings in the room. Started looking around. I had Catherine Treadwell, my deputy chief of staff in there with me, and I just like kind of whispered over to us, hey, can you figure out what's going, going on? So she went over and then was kind of listening in. And when they came back, you know, the report was, hey, someone has gotten into statuary Hall. Obviously, I think it's just, you know, some quick, fast guy who, you know, juked out of the Capitol Police officer. He's running into the thing. Then all of a sudden we hear, oh, we're evacuating the, we're evacuating the, the House floor. And so, and this was one of the funniest things that happened because when I got into office, it was during COVID and so they had a very shortened introduction process for all the new members. And so normally they would take you through all the things that you have to do, all the procedures within the capital. And so when they said, we're taking the emergency evacuation route, we all started rolling out. And then we got to it because we didn't know what was going on. They just said, oh, there's like 6,000 people about to come into these doors.

[Alad Elahu]

Did you fear for your safety?

[Madison Cawthorn]

Not in the slightest point. Not, not, not in the slightest. Not once. It was not a scary situation.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but AOC Says, sure to knock on our door.

[Madison Cawthorn]

That's not true.

[Tim Pool]

Thought that.

[Madison Cawthorn]

That's not true. That's wrong. That's a lie. It's ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

It is a lie.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I gotta just finish this story about the evacuation route. So then we're going. I get to the evacuation. It is seven flights of stairs straight down. And I get there and I had a couple guys, oh, we'll carry you. I was like, no, that's not. So then I went and rolled around and then I. A couple of my members of commerce came with me, some really good guys. And then that's when I actually got to go into the crowd and I realized. And there were some troublemakers.

[Alad Elahu]

You went out to the crowd while you were leaving.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I had to go down to the elevators. There were some troublemakers up in the front. But literally, people, people just. It was a calm group of people who just got out of my way. I was able to roll right through. It was no problem. And so I. It was blown completely out of proportion. It was. It obviously. And I agree, anybody that broke the law should be prosecuted under law. I hope Cash, because this is the problem that we've had with Republican administration since I've been paying attention to politics in 2000. When Democrats do something wrong, we just say, oh, well, we're going to be the bigger person and we're just going to move on from it and it's going to be okay. This has given them a license and an expectation that there are no consequences for their actions. And so I genuinely believe that. As you were saying, Phil, the hammer needs to come down of people being held accountable on both sides. I'm not saying it should just be on the. On the left. The hammer needs to come down. So people realize, hey, if you break the Constitution, if you actively work against the Commander in Chief, like is going on within the intel agencies right now are when Mark Milley is having private meetings with the general in China.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Madison Cawthorn]

These things are not things that should be swept under the rug. You should go to jail for them instantly.

[Luke Ball]

Did you see that Glenn Beck clip where he was talking to Cash Patel about the JFK assassination and he was bringing up some of the widely accepted premises? And Cash is like, well, you're talking to someone who's seen the actual file. And that was very interesting. That was very interesting to me. And then I think Joe Rogan straight up asked Trump, why didn't you release it? And Trump's answer was that there were some people at the time who felt as if it wouldn't be in our best interest to release it. But if I get reelected I will release the full file. I'm very excited to see if that comes.

[Phil Labonte]

There is, there is in my opinion there is Nothing that is 40 years old that is over 40 years old that will have any kind of significant impact on modern America. So it should all be declassified and any future declassified there should be some kind of law passed where any future declassification. There's a sunset on all classified documents.

[Tim Pool]

But I don't know what I agree, I don't know if I agree on the 40 year thing. I agree on everything else but I think it's going to be a case by case basis. There, there probably documents pertaining to Iran that go back 40 years which could have an impact.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Well and this is one thing. If they are, there's no one that, that they are continuing to protect within these sealed documents. These people are all either very close to death or they're dead. We're not trying to send people to jail for what happened. What they are doing is they are protecting the institution of the intel communities because there was a coup that happened. They shot the President in the frickin head.

[Alad Elahu]

Absolutely. I wanted to provide an update on the confirmation the votes for Cash Patel. The votes that would likely be holding it up is Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski from two Democrats, well two moderate so called Republicans. But the interesting thing here is that Susan Collins hasn't been a hard no she says I don't know Cash Patel. I'd heard his name but I don't know his background and I'm going to have to do a lot of work before reaching a decision on him. So it's definitely, it's not a no so far. Madison, I wanted to ask you what do you make of the pick so far? And Susan Collins seeming to be open to confirming something but he like well.

[Madison Cawthorn]

That that is really good news. I know Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski are probably the most ardent and flaky people for our confirmation hearings that we're going to go through. You know there's some sensible Democrats who I think are in swing states who actually could be kind of person and I say sensible Democrats in jest but do are in swing states where they realize man Trump gained a lot of ground in the state. I have an election coming up in the midterms. I think those could actually be persuaded to vote for the majority of the picks. Probably not the most hard right ones. But when you start looking at what Lisa Murkowski and Lisa are in Senator Collins are doing. My entire thought process on that is one, do you have. There is a political mandate that's been given. Give Donald Trump the cabinet. He needs to be able to execute it. And so I think that we're going to have probably 80 to 90% of our people get through.

[Alad Elahu]

And I mean, I have to ask, you know, you're a former congressman. You have as much mega bona fides as anybody else that he's picked for his Cabinet. Has Trump asked Trump tried to tap you for anything or what's going on?

[Madison Cawthorn]

You know, I will just say this. Anything the President wants me to do, I will happily serve. If he wants me to carry donuts into the office for press briefings, I will happily do it. Whatever this man needs to be able to save our country, I'm happy to do. If I, it was a dream scenario. If I could have anything, I'd want to be director of the atf. I think there's a.

[Tim Pool]

It wouldn't be donuts, it would be McDonald's.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It'd be McDonald's. That's 100% right.

[Luke Ball]

Yeah.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I don't know how RFK would feel about it, but, man, when I saw the picture of RFK sitting there eating McDonald's, I literally thought it was just one of those situations where there's some drug guys there sitting there and they're like, hey, do drugs in front of us so we know you're not a cop.

[Tim Pool]

I think he ate the McDonald's. We talked about this and people all the, everyone's meming like he didn't eat it. And I'm like, he's not a crazy person. He probably had a cheeseburger.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, he's even, he even made a statement when Donald Trump was working at McDonald's that, you know, having a cheeseburger and fries is one of the most American things you can do. And then he was saying we should just do it in beef talent, not in seed oil.

[Luke Ball]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And if you, if you watched he put, he fried a turkey in beef tallow this, this past week, which I.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Thought was freaking sick. But, you know, you know, I, I will tell you, especially if I was to be able to get atf, there's so many changes that you can make. One, all the frontline boots on the ground guys would be extremely happy because I would have them actually start going after criminals. If you want to bring heat seeking missiles into our country through the southern border, if I was in charge, the ATF is going to be there to take you out, right? Away. And then also, I mean, the, the c encumbersome stuff that they impose on gun store owners. I mean, there's so many redundant pieces of paper work. People will come into these guys and it's, it's a massive fear for gun store owners because these atf, you know, just lackeys will come in and say, well, you know what, when you were doing the serial number, this six looks a whole lot like a G. And so that's incorrect. So we're now going to take your license. Your entire livelihood's gone also. Another thing that is really freaky with the ATF is they require all gun stores to ha. Keep records in perpetuity of everything they've ever done. I mean, there, I know several gun stores in my hometown that have been there for 20, 25 years. And then if you ever close down shop, you then have to send the physical paperwork to the ATF on your own cost. 25 years of paperwork being sent is a massive, massive cost. I mean, we're talking thousands and thousands of dollars. But also they effectively now have a gun registry of who owns every single firearm in the country. And so there's just some things that need to be done. Also, the ATF should, needs to be a convenience store. Literally, I'm going, if I, if I got director of that, I would open up a, just of a quick service place where you can come in, you can grab a beer, you can grab whatever you need to do a homebrew, and you can buy, you know, a Benelli 12 gauge whenever you want.

[Tim Pool]

There are in fact Walmarts that function as such. You can go to Walmart, you can pick up the milk, cigarettes, booze and guns. That's Walmart in the right places. But I think you make a great point about Bucky's. We, we make the joke. Bucky's is great too. We make the point about how like, oh, the ATF should be a convenience store. Right? Well, in all seriousness though, the ATF should be stopping terrorists on the border who are trying to bring in explosives and dangerous weapons and not bothering some small business in Tennessee or something.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Not peaceable gun owners. I mean, my biggest problem with the ATF is they are focusing on, you know, political rivals. They're docking on doors of January Sixers, they're doing things like this when at the end of the day, there are actual crimes that do need to be investigated. You know, if we've got Venezuelan gangs taking over buildings, they have hand grenades, you know, I've got a problem with just random People having hand grenades in the country they can just throw into a store. That's the kind of stuff we want to be hunting. And then all these freaking analysts that exist inside of Washington, D.C. in the Capital One, when people are upset, well, if you do all this deportation, who's going to pick all the, who's going to go handle all the farms? The number one. Well, they need to get another talking point from when they tried to continue slavery. But also my number one thing is like, well, I've got 9,000 analysts we can fire from the ATF because they're not doing anything with a jobs. Yeah. I'm telling you, all the ex federal employees, they're going to need jobs.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from ABC News News. Mexican Authorities broke up two migrant caravans heading to the U.S. activists say some migrants were bused to southern Mexico and others have been offered transit papers. This story broke over the holiday week and I just find it so funny that Donald Trump threatened these massive tariffs and then instantly, two massive migrant caravans who had been tracking the news have just seemingly disappeared. And Trudeau came down and had conversations with Trump where I think Trump joked about annexing Canada or something like that.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, tariffs work. Tariffs work.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's not so much the tariffs work is that Trump is a, he's a, he's a great businessman. He knew. And this is the funny thing when there was that viral video where it's like a phone call and Trump is saying, I told Putin, if you invade Ukraine and I told Xi, if you invade Taiwan, I will nuke you. And it's like, I don't know if they believe me, maybe 5%, but that's enough. Right? And that is what Trump is. They believe it just enough. Trump goes to them and says, I'm going to put these tariffs on you. You think I care? Give me what I want. Stop the illegal immigration. And Mexico said, done. Because they looked at Trump and Trump said, we will play a game of chicken and you will lose.

[Luke Ball]

Which makes Kamala Harris's position as borders are even more comical that she was given charge. And the White House said she's only supposed to be dealing with the countries of origin where they're causing migrants to come through Mexico and into the United States. States. And Trump makes one phone call and before he is in office, the guy is not elected yet, and they've already started showing signs that he is the current president of the United States.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It's incredible. And you know, he just, he just said that, okay, all the hostages in Palestine need to be returned before my first day in office or it's going to be hell to pay. I mean that's he. The thing that I love about him is so many people and there's a massive fear. I think everybody can recognize that there's a massive fear of the unknown if you know there's a consequence that's going to come for something. It's like when your parents, you know you did something wrong but they're not telling you what your punishment is. That's worse than the actual punishment that happened to me when I got my first speeding ticket. First of many when you were six. But the fear of the unknown is what keep keeps people in check. And that's the thing that I love about Donald Trump is these foreign nations don't know what Donald Trump's going to do. Is he going to send a mean tweet at you and say my button's bigger than yours? Is he going to put tariffs on you? Is he going to bomb Soleimani? Is he going to nuke you? What is he going to do? They don't know. And so it makes them afraid because normally in politics say oh, they're going to do a proportional response to this. So if we make this action, you know, that's the cost benefit ratio is enough for us. And that's what Donald Trump does. He throws that entire algorithm out the window and says, you don't know what I'm going to do. And when we're talking about how great of a businessman he is, I know so many people who are starting businesses today just because they know the economy is going to do so well. I mean like literally there's a guy who's trying to create an Amazon competitor called Rivly which is a direct, direct to consumer marketplace just like Amazon, but it's literally just American made stuff because he knows we're going to onshore so many businesses. I know guys because of how friendly he's been to crypto who they just started. You know, I think it's called sao, a new company for indexing so we can create more blockchain technology just and it's these incredible ideas where people are literally just creating jobs because Donald Trump was elected. Not he's not even office yet. He hasn't changed the economy yet. But he already people are being like we're going to create American jobs because he knows going to be great.

[Alad Elahu]

He's so effective.

[Phil Labonte]

The fact that what an administration signals to the broad economy matters significantly. If you're telling people that are entrepreneurs or telling businesses, hey, look, there's going to be regulations and there's going to be this and there's going to be that hurdle. And the profits that you make, we're going to tax at X. And if you make too much money, you're going to tax. It disincentivizes people from actually taking action. In the real world, Donald Trump coming and being elected means that there's going to be significantly less interference in the market. And it makes for a good environment to start businesses and to, and to take economic risk. Because if you're, if you're going to spend the money and take a risk economically, you want to be able to, to make as much of a return as you can. And if you don't have that kind of guarantee or if you don't have the sense that the, the administration is going to be friendly to business, you're not going to want to take that risk. Sorry.

[Alad Elahu]

It's okay. I was just going to say Trump so effectively uses his presidential bully, bully pulpit, where he's effectively able to threaten other countries and get things done before he actually has to do official acts to affect change. So what does this mean? It means that he said he wants peace in the Middle east before he comes to office. There's already a truce in Lebanon. There's a ceasefire between the Israelis and Lebanon. He's only, he only needs to make threats of tariffs against Canada and Mexico. And now you see pictures of him sitting next to Justin Trudeau, all smiling and everything. He says he wants to be very hard against the border and he won't cooperate with Mexico unless they effectively stop the flow of migration. And now we're seeing them actually put their foot down in Mexico and stopping the flow of migration. So Trump's. So he gets to do these things. And it's amazing how effective he is without actually having to even be in office yet.

[Tim Pool]

It's amazing. He just. As soon as he won the election, then we started hearing, everybody was chilling out. Yeah, the war is like, there's conversations that certain groups are calling for peace, if you know what I mean. And, and then they try claiming it's nothing to do with Donald Trump. But certainly Donald Trump has already gotten on the phone and he started making these changes. The response from Democrats has been to say, I thought Trump said he was going to end the war in 24 hours.

[Phil Labonte]

It's ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

Why has he only initiated peace talk so far?

[Phil Labonte]

It's like he hasn't even, he hasn't even taken office. So the 24 hour clock hasn't even started and he's already.

[Tim Pool]

No, he did say, within winning the election, 12 hours, I'll get on the phone and I'll end this war. He. He did say that. But look, this is what they always do. They say, they claim that Trump is speaking 100% literally on everything he's doing. There was this really funny post where. Who was. It was J.D. vance. I think some reporter wrote a fact check saying that. I'm sorry, J.D. vance said something like, my kids are ravenous. They eat like a dozen eggs a day. And the reporter wrote it would be impossible for his two children to consume 24 eggs per day. He's talking about hundreds of eggs per month. And he was like, I was just being hyperbolic. I was exaggerating. Like, if I said I was so hungry I could eat a horse, I mean, I'm literally going to eat a horse. But this is what the media does. You say something like, Trump says, I'll get it done in 24 hours. And they go, okay, clock's ticking. And he's like, well, I didn't mean literally. I meant I'm gonna get done fast.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, Again, you just can't hate these people enough because literally the, like, the Democrats can come out and blatantly lie to the American people and they'll say, oh, well, if you look at it through the context of this political quagmire we have, it's a beautiful thought they had when they said that, you know, we want to chemically castrate children, and then it's just insane. But then when we say, oh, we're going to end the war in 24 hours, like, well, it's been two hours and only six countries have stopped attacking each other.

[Luke Ball]

That will happen, too. Like, they will do their fact check there. Caroline Levitt put out something the other day that was really interesting where she got an email from a reporter. It was either like Washington Post or New York Times that said there is a certain location in the United States where they have had racist things spray painted on the sides of buildings. Now, nothing is directly tying this to Donald Trump, but it occurred after his election. So does the Trump campaign have anything that they want to say in relation to the fact that these events are occurring or basically accept any responsibility? The mental gymnastics that these journalists have to get to, to get to a point where they have no story and have to try and conjure up something to try and link things together is just wildly outrageous.

[Madison Cawthorn]

This is because we got rid of bullying in the United States we need to bring. I think there's a lot of reasons that people are being aggressively bullied. It's a problem, but.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Madison Cawthorn]

But I will tell you, there is some sense of holding social norms and holding people to account that has been lost.

[Tim Pool]

Let me clarify too, because the left always takes bullying to its most extreme form. And I don't think bullying may be the right word. Shame.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, shame. Shaming. That is a much better word. I would change my word to shame.

[Phil Labonte]

And the point, the reason for that is the more you have society that will police itself, the less actual involvement from the government you need. You don't need police to go ahead and round people up if people are too embarrassed to misbehave. If you look at the way that people behave in Japan, there's all these. There's a lot of streamers that go to. That are going to Japan or that have been going to Japan and to South Korea lately. And they're getting. Yeah, they're being. They're being a nuisance. And the people in Japan and the people in South Korea are not taking it anymore. When they do get arrested, they get significant fines. And if. Then a lot of times they don't get arrested because there, there are people in just normal people that will stop them and tell them to knock it off. The reason that works is because the society doesn't approve of these things. And that means that you don't need to have police running around arresting people all the time. The more you have society police itself and the more you shame people for misbehaving and behaving in ways that are unacceptable in public and behaving in ways that are unacceptable for your family or whatever. The less you need government involvement in people's lives.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I think a great point to this is anybody who shoots often you go to any kind of shooting race, whether it's indoor, outdoor. You don't see a lot of arguments on gun ranges because you know that there are extraordinary consequences to it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I mean that. I feel like that's just the same thing in the South. You don't see a lot of people doing home invasions in the south because you know there are extreme consequences to it. When there are sheriffs in, in southwest Florida, My favorite sheriff in the world car, my Marcino, like he literally said, after a big hurricane, he's like, I'm just going to encourage you guys. Probably don't want to go looting in southwest FL Florida because you don't know what's waiting behind the door. And I don't Want to have to do the paperwork of booking you. So I'm encouraging my citizens to shoot you.

[Tim Pool]

I want, I want to stress too with the gun range thing. In fact, I see quite the opposite of arguments. I see unity. And I went to Excal range. It's a range in. I think it's in Leesburg.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I've heard of XCal.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they're pretty well known because they have full auto and you can bring it in. And I'm standing there with my friends and we went to fire some weapons and yes, full auto. And I saw there was a black gentleman in a women laughing and smiling and shooting with their weapons. And then just one booth over there were some Arabic individuals in what appeared to be more Arabic outfits. There were some Indian individuals, there were some Asians that were there and there were white people. And I said everybody was smiling and laughing and getting along. And then there was one like some Latino guys were asking the black guy about his gun and he was explaining it to him. And I was like, look at this. People of all different backgrounds and creeds coming together and smiles at a gun range, having fun shooting targets with big guns.

[Luke Ball]

Full metal melting pot.

[Madison Cawthorn]

This is the best comms director in the world. And so this is actually one reason why I am so big on culture and traditions in America. Again, you know, tradition is not the preservation of app. It's not the worship of ashes, it's the preservation of fire. But this is something like, I'm not the biggest football fan in the world, but I think that the super bowl should be celebrated every single year because it's shared activities that bring people together. It's the reason why I think smoking cigars can save the entire country. Because if everyone's sitting there smoking a cigar, you are now locked into a 25 minute conversation and then all the pre recorded responses. Tim, go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

I was going to say, you're right on the Super Bowl.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If everybody has a shared cultural identity and understanding. And I don't mean like absolutely, like you can be a Muslim in Dearborn, Michigan, but you're like, hey, the Super Bowl's on. It's something that we all get together.

[Madison Cawthorn]

We're all going to get together and watch.

[Tim Pool]

It's not a religious thing. It's just a cultural thing where we enjoy, enjoy it. That's good for this country. It's good for any country.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It's the same thing. I mean you. But you look at it and unfortunately we don't have a lot of those things in the United States. And I think we should encourage and foster more of those and help encourage those. I mean, whether it's the Victoria's Secret fashion show, whether it's the freaking girls getting high schoolers going to prom, I mean, who doesn't see a bunch of high schoolers at a nice restaurant, when you're going out on a date with your wife and you see them all dressed up going to prom, you don't stop by me like, oh, man, I hope you guys have a great night. It's going to be so much fun. Fun for you. It's just a shared activity where everyone can be all unified in one thing. And when you see people doing something that you enjoy doing that you know a lot about, whether it's Latinos and black guys at a gun range showing each other their weapons, it's just, it humanizes one another. And so I think that's something we need to do in America is to foster more tradition and cultural.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the post. Millennial chaos at msnbc as Rachel Maddow, furious at Morning Joe, hosts for meeting with Trump at Mar a Lago. According to report, Rachel Maddow is pissed at them and as are other presenters like Chris Hayes and Arie Melber. Not only that, but MSNBC is once again suffering its worst ever ratings, hitting a key demographic viewership of 38,000. Oh, so it's funny because Rachel Maddow is getting paid $25 million to talk to nobody. So I don't know what's going on with msnbc, why it matters, but I will say for us, what matters is this is the downward spiral you got. Keith Olbermann came out and said Rachel Maddow sold out her principles for $25 million. That's wild to me. And now she's going after Morning Joe because they're trying, in fear, I might add, but to try and apologize, I guess, to Trump for having been so just nasty and to be being liars. But this is it. We are watching the internal combustion, I suppose, of these lunatics who are willing to say anything for cash.

[Alad Elahu]

I think they're doing a little good cop, bad cop action. Joe and Meek are desperate for access to Donald Trump. So I think that's why they went to go kiss their rings, because they want some late night phone calls from Donald Trump. Like, like Maggie Haberman gets it from the New York Times. They, they want Maggie Haberman treatment.

[Luke Ball]

Do you know who held Matt Gaetz's congressional seat in Florida's first congressional district in the early 2000s?

[Alad Elahu]

Joe.

[Luke Ball]

Joe Scarborough.

[Alad Elahu]

Scarborough.

[Madison Cawthorn]

That's insane. No, are you serious? That's Scarborough Scarborough.

[Alad Elahu]

Isn't that something? And his dad was also like a career politician. I forgot the entire Joe donated to.

[Luke Ball]

Gates at one point earlier on. And so the back and forth that this guy has done is just staggering.

[Alad Elahu]

Well, he's the one who initially brought Trump into the fold early on in the first Republican primary that Trump ran in. They used to bring him on all the time, just like the people at the View did. They helped platform Trump and make him into a candidate at the beginning and for his budding political career.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah. And I'll tell you, just for Americans who aren't steeped in political culture and media, since just so you understand, 38,000, you know, if you had 38,000 people in a room, that's a ton of people. But like literally on this Instagram story post, I think I get 300,000 views on average. If these guys are getting 38,000 on MSNBC and they're being paid $25 million a year, it's insane. The math doesn't, just does not make sense.

[Alad Elahu]

More than that, you get those numbers in the key demographic. Most of the people watching @ MSNBC are 65 + and not advertiser friendly. Friendly. Not an advertiser friendly agent.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Absolutely.

[Luke Ball]

Such an enormous shift to independent media, to social media platforms, and also the plurality of these platforms allows for the competition. And I don't think we've necessarily seen this yet. And actually Tim might have a different opinion on that because I'm not in the streaming business. But if you get more and more that are competing with each other, my hope is that their standard of cracking down on certain types of speech is going to allow for more free speech. Because when you allow the free market to have so many different options, as opposed to one individual having a monopoly, it allows for many people to choose from those different options. I think that's why what you see.

[Tim Pool]

On X, they, they tried to fight the corporate press, the Media, they attacked YouTube, YouTube attacked back and they were hoping to shut down shows like this, but it didn't matter. And I've explained this quite a bit. It is not an issue of you've got a group of Gen Z that one day saw the light and watched a YouTube video and went, oh wow, Trump. Trump was right. It's that the younger generations are already feeling these politics or thinking these things. And as they get older and move into the political space, they already are more inclined to agree with a show like Joe Rogan's or ours, or, you know, Dan Bongino, for instance. So when they try to suppress and censor this at the corporate level, like Google or whatever companies, it works for a period, but eventually cable news loses all its money and the advertisers step in and, and they're like, why can't we advertise on the biggest shows? And YouTube eventually has no choice but to back off and reduce the censorship because this is where the conversation is going to happen. They have, they have no choice at this point but to say, this is the direction the country is going. Trump won. He won the popular vote. The Republicans won everything. And the reason they lost is because they tried so desperately to engage in this weird censorship which created this. What ended up happening was you had the authentic world where it was regular people having real, real debates, and then you had the fictional Democrat cult liberal media world where it was manufactured and everybody hated it and it blew up in their faces. We are moving now into this new era following the podcast presidency, they call it. Ad rates are already starting to go through the roof. We're hearing from these big. There's big networks that are buyers. For a long time they said everybody wants tv, then it's hard shifting. Well, podcasts are doing really, really well. Now. It's not even podcasts. It's YouTube specifically. Yes, the big networks are saying, we don't really care about Apple, Spotify, these other platforms anymore. We want YouTube access because we want video components. So Spotify says, we're going to make it so you can watch videos on Spotify now. And then YouTube went oops because 10 years ago, YouTube had the vodcasting monopoly. And what did they do? Started banning people and shutting it down in fear and panic. Now they regret that, I bet.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I imagine they do. But at the same time, when, when you have, like Spotify trying to, you know, do what YouTube is doing, I mean, they started picking up the podcast because YouTube was, was banning people and saying, you know, hey, we don't want this on our platform. Which is. I mean, obviously it was a blunder, but that's why it's good to have the ability, have markets and have other competition. Spotify started picking people up. Joe Rogan, which was the, you know, he was the biggest podcast on YouTube. And then you went over to Spotify and I understand it wasn't an exclusive deal and stuff, but at the same time, at first it was. At first it was. So for a little while, you know, YouTube's like, oh, you know, what the heck are we going to do now? You know, and it made Joe Rogan a lot of money. But that's why it's important to have multiple places where you can actually go for these different ideas and stuff. So the fact that the mainstream media has a unified voice, you know, it. It doesn't. It didn't matter because you had places like YouTube and because you had places like Spotify to actually present this stuff. And it was. And, you know, there was a time where the mainstream was trying to squash this stuff. Right after January 6th, Parlor got completely and totally boned because they were. All their servers were on Amazon and am Amazon helped, you know, cut them out and you had, you know, Gab has a problem with some of their user base being a little too edgy and stuff like that. But the fact that there are options, it's a big deal and it matters.

[Luke Ball]

You know, I think Ben Shapiro was talking about how they're having to really pour a lot of infrastructure into their website and trying to drive people off of some of these excess platforms like YouTube, because they feel as if there could come a point where they have put so much stock in these platforms that if they completely just yank it away, then they're left with nothing. And so they want to drive people back to their website individually. And one of the other. And I want to get Tim's opinion on that too. But the other thing too, I was reading a book about how to essentially build up your listener base as well. This author, I think his name is Graham Cochran, was suggesting that you should not focus on building up your social media, but rather your email list, because people don't change their email emails, but you don't know what's going to happen to a particular platform if Twitter gets bought out and changed, then, you know, that was great for us, but for the libs, you know, they're there.

[Tim Pool]

It was great for them, too. But they were mad, everybody. Yeah. So the meme about the left is they're not mad they're being censored. They're being mad that you're no longer censored.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah.

[Luke Ball]

Which is why they thought it was a bad thing. I completely agree. But because of that purchase, a lot of people left that social media platform. So this person's arguing that you basically have to create your own little bubble of infrastructure structure, build up your following on the website, and people don't change their email addresses. They might go off of a platform. A platform like Parler, if we want it to stay around, that's great. But it might just Wake up and it's not there the next day. You don't know what's going to happen to it. But it's essentially like your mailing address. You always have some form of a mailing address. You might switch your email address, but it's far less often than if you move off of a social media platform.

[Alad Elahu]

I do think there's something to say about, originally, mainstream media got a lot of their credibility from being the only ones around. They were the only news sources. They had a monopoly. And now we had different social media platforms allowing different types of accessibility. So now that, that's not what the mainstream media is good for. But the thing that I still think that they have that other podcasts don't is access. They have access to high ranking political officials. They have access to different representatives. Madison, maybe you could tell us a little bit about this, but I don't know, it seems for every scoop from, even from Republican reps, it always goes to Politico, New York Times, Axios. It's never really going to the Daily Wire. It's never really going to Tim. So it's still in the Republican ecosystem of elected officials. They go to msnbc, you know, I mean, they'll still do some Fox and Fox will still get some breaking news. But you know, Trump talks to Maggie Haberman from the New York Times all the time. And Axios, I read Axios News because that's where they're getting a lot of these quotes from.

[Tim Pool]

It's just, it's generational. So right now we've had Cash Patel on this show, I think, what, three times or more? Three times, four times. And he's fantastic, fantastic. We're huge fans and I consider him a friend of the show. This, this world is changing. The people that are entering this administration, we know many of them and this is where that access is moving into our space. And you're going to get real authentic conversations. Maggie Haberman and these people at the Times or whatever, they're plastic people.

[Alad Elahu]

They're going to call them Republicans, give them access.

[Tim Pool]

Of course, of course. And they shouldn't. But this is, but it doesn't matter what I think they should or shouldn't do because it will change. And in the future it's not going to be, let's say in 15, 20 years, it's no longer going to be like the New York Times calling a person like Cash Patel and saying we need a quote on this. It's going to be Cash Patel being like, hey, can I pop on the show and talk about a thing that's going on. And it's going to be more authentic, raw conversations where your political leaders, your law enforcement leaders are going to sit down two hours raw and be like, dude, I will tell you exactly what is happening, and you judge for yourself. You think I'm telling the truth. But when you put someone in that position, like Donald Trump talking for three hours with Rogan, you see the authentic conversation. You can see where Trump is like, maybe I don't want to answer this, or whatever, and he tries, and you get it. But this is why Kamala Harris couldn't do it. It's why the shows she went on was a deeply controlled system where she said, you come to me. And then you had that moment where Hannity said that staffers were back there being like, we gotta go. We gotta go. Like, we're out of time. That's. That's. That's all over that. We are moving into the podcast era. Authenticity.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Well, just to touch on your question earlier, but I will say it. One big part that is changing isn't you guys. Especially when I came into office and a lot of people started following and coming into office. I mean, we would break stories to our friends versus going to the. To the Times or going to at Politico and things like that, because we know that that's the future, and these are our friends. We want to help our friends. That's one thing that I love about the conservative movement is we have created an ecosystem where, I mean, obviously the establishment came really hard after me, but I didn't lose a single friend who's like, in the construction conservative movement.

[Luke Ball]

We also use the legacy media to our advantage, too, because in D.C. here's another thing that people like the Times and the Washington Post are now having to deal with is that Republicans like the hit pieces that are being written against them a lot of the time. And the way that you were supposed to harness that, it is essentially earned media. If you get a hit piece written by the New York Times or somebody like that against a Republican, because everybody knows that the Times and the Post are against Republicans. So you. You are presented with a gift from the legacy media. And if you don't take that and start fundraising off of it immediately, then you have just wasted an enormous opportunity. There were headlines that Madison would get sometimes that we would get, and I would read the hit piece and be like, this is pretty decent. We ought to send out an email blast on this.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Exactly.

[Luke Ball]

You know, we call the reporter, and I'd say, so at what point does this cross the line and become an in kind contribution to the campaign?

[Tim Pool]

Honestly. Honestly.

[Luke Ball]

And so Republicans need to adapt because the environment has changed from where it was a decade ago. It's not the end of your political career if you get a bad article written about you. It is an opportunity. And if you take that opportunity and understand the media landscape now and utilize it, then you can profit off of their idiocy.

[Phil Labonte]

That's really smart, especially considering how the entire, the whole of the conservative world understands that the existing legacy media has, you know, has nothing but contempt for them. And any opportunity that they can get to slime you, they're going to take. So for the, for the, the conservatives that are the just the average news consumer that's conservative, they know the New York Times is a, you know, is not going to be treating conservatives fairly. So it is a, it's a badge of honor now to say, look, they're running hit pieces on me. That means I'm effective. You should give me money.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Exactly. One of the number one things that I think is my favorite that's kind of becoming very popular now is judge me by my enemies. You know, like if, if, like I, I judge people by their enemies. Like if you're not hated by the deep state. We were joking about this earlier. If you haven't been served a subpoena from the federal government, I really have a hard time trusting you.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I've never been.

[Madison Cawthorn]

But, but going back to your, your question and but D.C. is kind of slow to move because there are so many long term career politicians in office still. And I will tell you, this is how leadership on both sides would kind of handle people is you know, if you were doing something incorrect or something bad that the leadership did not like, they would go to Fox. They'll go to some of these big name corporations, the legacy media and say hey, do not have this person on for a little while. But then if they disobey, they would be like, okay, well you're not, we're going to start, start sending people to do interviews with your competition and they'll say you don't want to have you, you want to break our request. Okay, cool. We're going to start sending people to CNN to do things right when you're doing it so that it'll draw viewership over that way.

[Luke Ball]

Trump does that too.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Trump does that often.

[Luke Ball]

Trump masterfully would do it whenever they're like during the primaries when they're having you know, eight people up there trying to out Republican each other. He holds A rally that draws three times as much of a viewership as the actual debate would. So, so it's like, you know, eight second place people fighting over each other to get the runner up position in the primary election. Or you could watch the de facto Republican nominee give a speech to his supporters. Which one are you going to go with?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, just like he, but like I said, he, he could do that, he would do, he could do that with, you know, big things like, like rallies or whatever, but he can derail conversations just by tweeting while it's happening. He could just go ahead and say, well, I'm going to go ahead and comment on it. And then the people that are actually involved in the conversation, they might have to completely change their, what, you know, their narrative or whatever because of what Donald Trump said. That's really, really, really impressive. Like, and whereas Donald Trump has, has a unique bully pulpit, it's not like that is impossible for other people. If you tweet something out, the people that are, you know, that, that, that understand the context or whatever, they will actually change what they're doing if by, by depending on what you're saying, especially in D.C. when it comes to, you know, lawmakers or whatever.

[Luke Ball]

Yeah, absolutely. What enormous power to, yeah. Be able to just use that leverage. And even out of office, there was a certain point where Trump had been totally written off back right after January 6th and things like that. The small group of people that were around him helped rebuild that influence. And the ones that were around him even at that very beginning were the loyal ones that helped him rebuild this team and take over.

[Tim Pool]

I'm really optimistic. I know we got 50 days. Okay. We got December. In three weeks. We are going to be at Amfest live on stage for the last show of the year. And it's the, it's the way that the, the calendar.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Oh, yeah, I know.

[Tim Pool]

It's going to be epic. And I'm, I'm, I'm, we're talking to them like, hey, because we had Tucker Carlson last time and that was an honor and a privilege. It was awesome. And usually Charlie joins us. We're big fans. So I'm wondering who it's going to be. I'm really excited.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Actually. You guys gave me a shout out in that, that one. Oh, we did, yeah. Because that was when I. The number one trending thing on Twitter right at the time was Madison was right.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And then Charlie Kirk just leaned back and say, Madison was right. And then there was a big applause. So thank you for that.

[Tim Pool]

It's kind of, it's kind of gross how you ended up being proven right, if you know what I mean, like the video that went around. But no, I'm just excited. You know, we've got 18 days from now, so it's not even three weeks. It's going to be on the 20th. We'll be at AM AmFest, and then the next week is all of Christmas and New Year's. So we're basically off for two weeks.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Man, I'll come, I'll come to amfest. Watch you guys.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you should definitely show up. And I'm just, I'm looking at how this, this, this, this last month of the year is going. I'm looking at Trump's appointments, and I'm looking at January 3, January 6, January 20. I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything yet, but there's. It's going to be epic in D.C. in the month of January. It's going to be fantastic. It is. And the left is going to be like, they're planning a J6 again. No, no, no. It's going to be like part parties. It's going to be big shows. All the big personalities are showing up, planning on covering this, this historic inauguration. I'm just, I'm super excited. And let's just, you know, we got to get through 50 days, huh?

[Phil Labonte]

Look, I'm, I'm, I don't know what anyone else has been told, but the 6th of January is going to come, whether they like it or not. What happens on the 6th of January is not going to be similar to what happened in 2021, but they're not going to be able to stop. January 6th, that's, that's coming.

[Luke Ball]

So when Trump won the first time, we had maybe a dozen Democrats stand in the well of the House of Representatives and object to the certifying of the duly elected President of the United States. Do you think an insurrection. An insurrection, if you will. You know, people like Maxine Waters standing there, Sheila Jackson Lee, all these other Democrat lawmakers. Do you think that anybody has the balls to stand up in the well of the House and do that again and contest the election 1000% that you. And who do you think it's going to be asking?

[Alad Elahu]

Nasi, Nancy.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I hope there's a betting line put out about this, and let's make a parlay of which ones do and which ones don't. I will bet on that in two seconds. I got insider knowledge. That'd be great.

[Tim Pool]

$10 bet if you get them all right. Makes a million bucks.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it goes back to the.

[Luke Ball]

White House press briefing thing that the Republic, I'm sorry, the Democrat freshman lawmakers that stand up and do that will then get a moment of virality and they'll start off their little fire brain end thing with a punch.

[Phil Labonte]

So, I mean, what happened to the last group of people that did that, you know? Yeah, they're, they're current, they're still currently in, in prison awaiting, some of them awaiting sentence. So I mean, if they do, I think that there should be, you know, equal and fair treatment if, if that, if they do.

[Luke Ball]

Well, after Trump is sworn in, there's going to be a lot of space in the D.C. joe.

[Phil Labonte]

I hope so.

[Tim Pool]

There's going to be a, A lot of equal and fair treatment when Donald Trump.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Exactly right. Equal and fair treatment, absolutely. That's all we're asking.

[Tim Pool]

It'll be the, the, it'll be the most equal and most fair criminal prosecutions of corrupt government officials we've ever seen.

[Phil Labonte]

The equalist and fairest.

[Tim Pool]

Equalist and fairest. All right, everybody, we're gonna go to super chat. So smash that like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. But before we do, Richie Jackson.com for all of our skateboard fans. Richie Jackson just launched a new video part and guess what? He is now a pro skateboarder for Boonies. So if you want to pick up Richie's board and check out his new video part, he's got some never been done before tricks in this video part. It's really, really epic. There should be a trailer of some sort, but it's just gone up today. And no one told me to shout it out, but I figured I'd give that shout out. It's two bucks if you want to watch it. Pay what you want. And the boonies Richie Jackson board. Now I'm going to tell you this. Go to boonies hq.com click shop and you can grab this Richie Jackson skateboard. I'm gonna tell you why. Richie's Australian. And with everything that's been going on and the demonization from people on the left who have attacked him and insulted him for literally doing nothing political. This is a skateboarder. He did nothing political. He just hung out. And so he told me he wanted to look like an American revolutionary, you know, continental army soldier or whatever. And I was like, richie, that's a very bold statement to put on your skateboard. And so he did. So he had an artist draw him as an American revolutionary soldier. And this is a guy who's from the Commonwealth. So if you want to pick up one of those Richie Jackson boards.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Boonies HQ.com, before we go to super chat, can I. Can we talk about the skateboarding thing? Can I talk about what's outside the studio?

[Tim Pool]

It's a skate park.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Okay. So he's got a skate park out here and I'm in a wheelchair. And I'm just saying we're gonna have some freaking fun, right?

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever. Have you ever seen that? There's. There's like a pro dude.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Oh, I know. Oh, he's. He's a monster.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's a nitro circuit. Yeah, he did a backflip.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I don't know. Oh, he's really. I'm not going to pull off a backflip, but I'll do something. Cool.

[Luke Ball]

I gotta say, trying it out earlier, he already was.

[Alad Elahu]

I don't know the first thing about skateboarding, but I met Richie Jackson here at Tim Cast. He's one of the most swaggy dudes I know. He showed me part of the trailer of some of the tricks he was doing. They were absolutely phenomenal. And it would be worth your guys time to check this guy out.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, that is a phenomenal skateboard. I don't know if you guys.

[Alad Elahu]

This guy is an amazing skater. Like, I don't know anything about skating, but the tricks this guy was doing was outrageous. And check it out.

[Tim Pool]

Painting. Okay, I got. I'm sorry, guys. He actually told me he commissioned a painter to paint him as an American revolutionary soldier.

[Madison Cawthorn]

He looks like he should be doing a kick flip off the back of the Black Pearl. That's exactly what I said.

[Tim Pool]

There he is. All right, all right. We're gonna go to super Chat, so smash that, like, button. Here we go. We got Jason Dixon, Tim. 53 months of membership and you won't even read this. Oh, I read it. What does that mean?

[Phil Labonte]

Rut row.

[Alad Elahu]

Restart that countdown.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, Start the count. All right, Elf tree hugs. I got it. How about only people that have or adopt two children get Social Security? I'm. I'm personally, I'm totally fine with a. You can only vote if you have at least two kids.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Oh, I'm completely fine with that.

[Alad Elahu]

This is where I'm more libertarian. The one thing I'm more libertarian on, I don't care about paying for your kids. I don't like the nanny state. We don't need Social Security to be a thing at all. So that's the route we're going I will say no.

[Tim Pool]

Good.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Luke.

[Luke Ball]

Do any of you think that by the time you are old enough to draw Social Security it will exist?

[Alad Elahu]

No, not in its current state. It'll exist like a dumb.

[Luke Ball]

I view it as a tax that I will never see again. I don't, I don't count on it. I, I think that the am somebody I heard say the other day the American people have a spiritual gift of just ignoring the consequences if it's screaming them in the face. So they push it further and further down the line.

[Tim Pool]

I will make this point. My point about why I think Social Security should be abolished is that it effectively replaced the family with the state for care of the elderly to a certain extent. Sam Cedar made an interesting point and I disagree with it as I just mentioned. But he does make this point that it's not just about a system of Social Security. It's the government paying people to help them. It's a driver of the economy. It's when these people get a check for 800 bucks and they go spend that a young person does the work and gets a portion of that as pay. And that was a str. Like a strong point of his. A strong portion of his argument for it was it actually expands the economy by making sure that all of these people have money to spend in the system. My response to that is children should be paying for their parents.

[Madison Cawthorn]

They should.

[Tim Pool]

So when you are old and retired, I don't like old folks homes. I don't think we should be doing that. We should be living with our parents if we have to. Families should stick together the way they use used to. It is a product of the last century where we basically segmented the population and our families. So now it's you're 18, get out of my house. You look at every other part of the world. They all live together.

[Madison Cawthorn]

My number one belief of a way to fix our culture is three generation households. Like I genuinely think that's great because you have the wisdom of the, of the elderly then seeping down into the children. You see the work ethic of your parents taking care of their parents. It's very understood that you're going to take care of your parents. And I think that's exactly how it should be. I mean I think it would be a beautiful thing. Another thing just going back to the talking about children. I genuinely think this is a real thing. One, I think we should remove the federal income tax because it's ridiculous here, here. But if it's not going to be removed, I think that if you have or adopt four or more children, you should be in perpetuity, no longer paying federal income tax.

[Tim Pool]

We've said on the show three before.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I want four. Let's do three and a half. I'm here for procreate creation. Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, we've. You've got this argument from Democrats about how we need these migrant workers because we don't have enough, and it's like. Yeah, because we're not having kids. So I agree. If you have, say, three or four.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Three or four, Whatever.

[Tim Pool]

Three or four. No more taxes.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yep. I think that's the. And also imagine what a boon that would be for the economy.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait. And you got to be married.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Oh, you have to be married. Oh, yeah. No, it has to be a. A solid household. I mean, like, there has to be a mother and father in the household.

[Tim Pool]

And if you get divorced, unless someone.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Dies, like a widow. W. Widow. Widowed. Yeah.

[Luke Ball]

What's the term where it's like the. Is the population rate? There's a specific term for it.

[Tim Pool]

Replacement.

[Alad Elahu]

Replacement.

[Luke Ball]

Replacement.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Replacement rate.

[Luke Ball]

Where. No, I. I think. I think Vod Bakam said that, like, no society in history that has had a declining rate has been able to survive and recover. And people are freaking out about it in other countries right now. And I believe the United States has, like, just recently started hitting below that rate as well.

[Alad Elahu]

Well, only because of immigration as well. We don't have, like. We don't have a replacement rate of Americans. We. I think, like, 0.7 of it is legal.

[Madison Cawthorn]

We have legally 10 million people coming in a year, and we just brought it. But one thing that I do want to bring up in regards to that is. And I have a lot of Muslim friends. I spent a lot of time in the uae. I have a lot of respect for Islam. I really do. But I will tell you, there is a current aggressive attack of, and I would call it a Muslim caliphate fate of some radicals who are now going into places like France, Germany, and in England. And their birth rate is their weapon, and they're having six and seven children. Then what was the number one name? And one of the. One of the.

[Tim Pool]

It was Derry, I believe in Ireland.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, it was Muhammad.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Derry, Ireland is.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Derry island is where I'm talking about.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And the number one name was Muhammad, and people in Ireland couldn't believe it.

[Madison Cawthorn]

That's scary, guys. That's scary.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the super chat. We got Jason Dixon. He says, tim, have you considered taking on new talent and bringing people in under your arm umbrella. Let them create their own space and use them as special guests. And I don't mean to have them contact. Ian, a real contract to you for this. Not possible in today's day and age. It's not really something you can do because anybody who has capability to do it just does it anyway. And so we've had conversations with a bunch of different individuals who produce content and the response is always the same. But I already have a channel and I already, I can just make money for myself. And our response responses, right, we would work a deal. We would use our expertise, we'd help run, run it, grow it, we'd make it bigger. I said, don't know, don't care. Most people are like, as long as I'm making a living, I'll figure it on my own. And they just, they don't want to do it. That's what it is. All right, here we go. The Emperor's Champions. Emperor's Champion says, as an honorary PhD in trucking, I condemn the blatant cover up of corruption and declare shenanigans on the deep state. As I stated earlier, if you're a member of Timcast, I hereby verbally. Degree. Verbally decree you have a degree. There we go. I got it out. And so if you sign [e-mail] for 10 bucks a month, I hereby decree that you have a bachelor's degree in whatever you want.

[Luke Ball]

Underwater basketball.

[Tim Pool]

You pick. And if you are $25 member, not only do you get to join the Silver Lounge in the Discord server, but you get a honorary master degree courtesy of Timcast Verbal only. And if you give any more than that, which you can, because you can customize your amount, you get a PhD from Timcast Media verbally. And that means some of you may be doctors, those who are in the Elite Club. And the reason I made this point is there's that woman who got. She made the thesis fictional smells are racist. Did you see the story? What? A woman in the UK wrote a thesis saying the description of negative smells in literature is racist, sexist, classist and species racist. And it's oppressive.

[Phil Labonte]

She got. She got her PhD. That's her PhD. And now her name on X is Dr. Whatever her name is. How. I mean, that is a link some.

[Luke Ball]

People will go to not take a shower.

[Tim Pool]

And I say now to all of you, to all of you who are members at Tim Cast, you know what? I'm changing it. If you are a 25 member or more. You have a. You have an honorary Tim cast phase. And I hereby declare you are entitled to call yourself doctor. Because if Cambridge is going to call her doctor for that, then I think you should be allowed to call yourself doctor for this.

[Madison Cawthorn]

We're currently at 9:43pm I really miss who I was at 9:42.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's. Let's go. Look at me, says someone please tell Tim that Mika is pronounced Mika and not Mika.

[Phil Labonte]

Micah.

[Tim Pool]

He's been making this mistake for weeks. It's because I can call her whatever I want. People are going to be like, don't say Kamala.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Who cares? I'm sorry. Who cares? Well, countries on fire.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Golden Fleece game says, when are we getting Phil LeBon? Phil LeBody pillows.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, God, I don't know that you guys really want that. Come on, let's see. We're all friends here. Here. Come on.

[Tim Pool]

Ton Lock Alpha Dog says, Tim, it's snowboard season. You know, I started snowboarding because I skateboard, but they're not the same thing. So the assumption was like, I should get a snowboard because I know how to skateboard and I. I prefer skiing.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I prefer skiing significantly.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, this skiing is more fun. Yeah.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Okay. Not anymore, Luke. I don't prefer skiing anymore. Okay, let's just. I wasn't in a wheelchair always, you.

[Tim Pool]

Know, it's ice cold.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I just hate when. When guys with small arms try and make fun of.

[Luke Ball]

I carried you up here. We're on a second.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Carried your career for years.

[Luke Ball]

I said I carried that congressional office on my back for two years. It's fitting that I carry you into the podcast studio tonight.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I just want to make a public apology for what I made you endure.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Jason Dixon once again says. Hey, Tim, why haven't. Why isn't anyone discussed the North Carolina hurricane victims? They are turning the rubble into mulch. Human body parts in this mulch. We did it came up on the show. And how these. The locals. What did you call them? The hillbillies.

[Madison Cawthorn]

The wise hillbillies. I said the wise Hillbillies.

[Tim Pool]

Hill. William, do you. Yeah.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And. And no, I. I'm glad that you brought this up. This is a tragedy that's happened. I mean, it's. It's a storm unlike anything I've ever seen. You know, we can go into how. Why the storm was. Went there or directed there.

[Luke Ball]

Madison, all kinds of questions cut you off. Used to represent this area. That's crucial.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yes, uniquely.

[Luke Ball]

Understand this.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I used to represent this area. The FEMA Response was. The response from the federal office there was, was absolutely abysmal. I don't want to go into all the details.

[Tim Pool]

You feel that those who are representing the district now in your state, they've done a bad job.

[Madison Cawthorn]

They're doing a terrible job.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't even have to finish.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It's been absolutely awful. You can take full command of FEMA as the representative. You just have to send a letter to the governor. They'll do a emergency response from. Who's the president? His name's. I don't even want to say his name.

[Tim Pool]

All right then.

[Madison Cawthorn]

An establishment plant. Wow. But when you start looking at it, I mean now FEMA is paying. I think I've heard from a couple guys that they, their, their, their dump trucks were being paid $6,000 a week per dump truck, per driver. And many of them had been sitting in the parking lot for two weeks and had not been sent out a single time. And they were over 100 of them. That means a $600,000 a week was being spent for these people to just sit there. That is your tax dollars. And nothing was being done with them. So if you are the federal representative there, you should be cracking down. This should be the mo number one topic of conversation in the United States. The terrible, just miscarriage of treatment of the people of western North Carolina who are phenomenal people, but they are so effing resilient. These guys were able to just take care of each other, take care of one another. And this is one of the reasons where I'm saying, I'm saying, you know, it made me pretty dagger libertarian. I, I went up there with three trailer loads of worth of goods. We had a lot of people coming into the area. So many people were just helping out their neighbors. And that is what makes America so great. It goes back to the point we were talking about, about earlier. A society that polices itself requires significantly less government. Also, a society who is willing to help out their neighbors requires significantly less government. And that is why all of you should be very well versed in how to live. You can have 1,000 people with PhDs. Although I love the people who now have PhDs from Timcast. Phenomenal. So you should subscribe at 25 to get that. But I am telling you, yeah, verbally.

[Tim Pool]

You are nothing else.

[Madison Cawthorn]

But then when you start looking into what's going on with this area, having one redneck friend was worth having 1,000 friends with PhDs. I mean, it is just so ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

That's true. Normally it's true.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Normally, because, I mean, people often mistake education for intellect. It is not the exact same.

[Luke Ball]

So this was interesting that I went down the week after the hurricane to Asheville, North Carolina, and at the Harley Davidson dealership there, they had tourist helicopters flying in and out, dropping supplies off to the people in the mountains. There were just a bunch of redneck veterans who were like, you know, also the people, the men in Washington, D.C. versus the men in North Carolina was just staggering to me. The ones that took charge there were National Guard representatives that were reporting to the civilian teams that were on the ground there, and they're coordinating flying helicopters in and out, dropping, not waiting for FEMA to show up, they said. We had one FEMA truck come in the last few hours, and it pulled around the corner in the parking lot of a grocery store and set up with two people and a clipboard for people to write down their email address and get information. That was the only federal response they had had up until that point. Everything else was the churches sending resources and the veterans distributing them.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And do not forget that FEMA was sent instructions, which this has been. There's been a congressional hearing on this, to not go to homes that were actively supporting President Donald Trump. It's insanity. And if you say there's not a weaponization of government. Yeah, this is literally weaponizing aid against Trump supporters.

[Phil Labonte]

That's been the case. The, the weaponization of government has been the case since, you know, 2012 or whatever with, with the IRS and, and Lois Learner and the IRS going, attacking conservatives, you know, whatever they were doing, whether it be, I guess it was, well, the audits.

[Luke Ball]

The Obama IRS was unfairly auditing conservative organization.

[Phil Labonte]

And so that's been a, that was a reality back then. And that's, you know, 12 years ago now. So the, and nothing has changed. Nothing has gotten better. There hasn't been a significant change in the attitude of the government. And again, I'll reiterate in, in the, at the, in the past election, 95% or 96% of of DC voted for Kamala Harris. At this point, with that kind of unified opinion, you know, the 4% of people that voted for Donald Trump were very quiet about it. And the people that voted for Kamala Harris, they unquestionably look at people that are Trump supporters or conservatives. They look at them as bad people. And they think when they act that way, when they punish them, they are actually doing something that is good.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab the super chat from. Just leave me alone. Hey, Madison, you don't happen to live in Florida's 1st congressional district, do you? I hear the need of Congressman.

[Luke Ball]

Oh, that's a wonderful question my mind.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, I'll tell you but I, that, that's the number one. I think there's more active duty military in the 1st congressional district than ever. But I will tell you, Matt Gates leaves some pretty big shoes. But it, it, it's not where I live. I, I genuinely believe that federal representatives should live in their district. It's not a federal requirement. You just have to live in the state. But I live in southwest Florida. Byron Donald is my, my Congressman and you know, if God, everyone's, wow, Byron's great. Oh, Byron's phenomenal. I, Byron, Byron's phenomenal. He's, he's one of the best. He's. I, he may be. I, he's the best congressman in the United States of America. But yeah, I, I would love to. Yeah, I think he's going to be running for governor and I will be voting for him for governor. He'll do a Great job.

[Alad Elahu]

Did DeSantis pick who's going to appoint for that seat? I think it for the Senate seat.

[Madison Cawthorn]

They ha. He hasn't picked it yet. He hasn't picked it yet.

[Luke Ball]

Dude. If we had 20 minutes to peel back the layers of the onion on the Florida politics behind the scenes.

[Madison Cawthorn]

It is so spicy and fun right now.

[Alad Elahu]

I wish we could Florida Republicans run the Republican Party. I feel like half the cabinet.

[Tim Pool]

So you've got knives out right now. Everybody's trying to get that seat.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Well, I will tell you going to what you just said, it's the west coast of Florida. I mean you look at what the west coast, Florida, you have Byron Donalds, you have Annapolina Luna, you have Matt Gates, you have Greg Stuby. It is the most hardcore Republican area you can find in the country.

[Alad Elahu]

But yeah, there's, it's Susan Wilds, Marco Rubio, all these Florida, I'll tell you.

[Luke Ball]

It'S not necessary seconds. Go ahead.

[Madison Cawthorn]

No, no, go ahead because that's what I'm about to answer.

[Luke Ball]

Boil it down into 30 seconds. Is that in 2018 I worked for Governor DeSantis on his gubernatorial campaign. That's where I met Susie Wiles. She won that election for Ron DeSantis because of political reasons. Ron DeSantis pushed Susie out unfairly and then went and got her fired from the Trump campaign in 2020 in Florida and then got her fired from her lobbying firm in Washington D.C. and single handedly made sure she was unemployed. Donald Trump picked her back up A few months later, she solidified an operation around him during Save America Days in 2021. Ron DeSantis was furious that Susie had been brought into Trump's orbit. Susie built up that operation and obliterated Ron DeSantis in his presidential primary election. And then she knows that state so well that she has stacked the administration with these officials, that she knows they're going to do a good job. So all behind the scenes, if you know that, like, the reason Ron DeSantis will never appoint Matt Gaetz is that Matt Gaetz was somebody who went really hard against DeSantis in order to make sure that Trump was there. But also, Casey hates Matt Gaetz. Ron's wife hates Matt Gaetz. And the inward dynamics now give Ron DeSantis this little leg up, I guess, for him to try and appoint somebody to the Senate seat. And I think it's going to be an insider like his chief of staff, as opposed to somebody that the Trump orbit might want because it's that last, last little on the back of his head.

[Alad Elahu]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Thanks for the little inside baseball to Florida politics.

[Madison Cawthorn]

I will just say that was a:12. Sorry, Lucas a liar. He's got small arms. But, but, you know, just a huge shout out to Susie Wild. She set up an amazing election integrity team. And like, I mean, the, like the fact that not a single state was won for Kamala where we have, we have to show voter id, I think that's the greatest thing in the world. And if that does not make everyone want to go, absolutely rabid. To declare voter ID has to be done. The fact that you voting for your freak, for your, your county commissioner on the exact same ballot you're voting for your president on, it's. They're drastically different things. There needs to be a level. I mean, you can do it with blockchain. You can do a lot of things. One reason I love the Sido company, because they're trying to do that. But there are so many options where, like, I think it should be as well documented as how $100bill looks. It should be impossible to cheat on our elections. It should be literally impossible.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's grab this from the Y wing. He says, hey, Madison, as a new, as a North Carolina native, are you worried that our mostly Democrats swing state in the state government will be combative to the incoming Trump administration? Do you think that Robinson scandal ruined things for us?

[Madison Cawthorn]

I don't think Robinson scandal ruined things for us. I think that was, you know, and this is one Thing I do want to say in regards to that I care very little for what you do in your personal life when I'm electing you to office, I legitimately do. I know a lot of people might disagree with this, but as long as you vote correctly, what you do in your personal life or what you've done 10, 15 years ago means very little to me. I like Mark Robinson a lot. He's a great guy. He's one of the greatest or Raiders have ever heard. But I, I will say whatever you do in your personal life, I think that it, it should play into, factor into things. But legitimately I'm hiring you to do a job. And if you're going to go in and be a bulldog and be an assassin and take care of business, I don't really care what you do in your private life. That's one thing I believe. But no, we, we do have a majority in the state house and state Senate. That's one thing I really like. There's a lot of questions of why we can never win the, the, the governor's mansion in that state. I think I, we could talk about this for a law long time. I think you and I know which it's a very, very weird thing.

[Luke Ball]

I love it, it's my home. But like we elect Donald Trump, we elect a Democrat governor, we elect a Democrat lieutenant governor, we elect a Republican Secretary of agriculture or whatever. I mean it's just all over the place. And you know, I would yell at Republicans for not voting down ballot.

[Alad Elahu]

Yeah.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And I will tell you, I think Luke Ball would make a phenomenal governor of North Carolina. I mean but I do want to say the state's so weird. I mean there's a lot of part of it that's very, very red. They legitimately changed the state constant constitution. They changed the state constitution so that they could redraw my congressional district because that's just how wanky the entire thing is. It's, it's a, it's a unique state. Wow.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's grab some more super chats. Let's. Let's see what we got.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Spicy one.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we'll see. We got Keith's mind and bodybuilding says I'm Groton Rys CCETC camp director. We had two times a scholar scholarships asked this last year. We have free year and round programs to develop skills not taught in school. We have taught woodworking, mtg, dice, thrones, MTG meets Yahtzee and more. Oh, very cool. Well, there you go. Mind and bodybuilding. I Dig that. Bring all those morbidly obese magic the gathering players in and get them ripped mind and body.

[Luke Ball]

So frustrating in high school doing discrete math when I knew I was never going to implement that in my, my whole life.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Luke Ball]

Much rather be doing politics.

[Tim Pool]

Text vet says Elad is the perfect example of the dying old neocon positions. What do you say about Trump watering down the war? Talking point good. Less war is good from a combat vet, not a reporter.

[Alad Elahu]

I think by some of your naive standards, most of Trump's cabinet is the neocons. So if you run down the list, I think that's the conclusion you'd.

[Tim Pool]

I had to read it because you're a professed self Professed border Bolton, bro.

[Alad Elahu]

Sure. I think Bolton's been sliding a little bit. I might have to, I might have to change it up a little bit.

[Madison Cawthorn]

We need to have.

[Tim Pool]

I might officially have the mustache.

[Alad Elahu]

I might officially start coming out for Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley might be starting. My girl. The neocons are an essential part of the Republican Party. Cawthorn, you were talking all episode about how it needs to be a big ten and we need to bring everybody in.

[Madison Cawthorn]

And I do not want American sons and daughters to die on some godforsaken soil for a country that does not matter to us. I want our military to be so aggressive. I want us to have a Death Star. To where the point. I mean that I support the military industrial complex until we build a Death Star. And then if you want to mess with us, cool, we'll just, we'll do a single reactor fire like we did and it'll be taken care of.

[Tim Pool]

What was it? Was it Coruscant?

[Madison Cawthorn]

No, no, it wasn't Coruscant. The single reactor fire that was, that was from Rogue One.

[Luke Ball]

Oh, even mosquitoes.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, the single reactor fire.

[Alad Elahu]

I just want to push back a little bit. I actually think the neocons are the people who keep us safe and help keep our enemies fearful of attacks. Trump often cited John Bolton as the guys for the madman factor in his old cabinet. So I think he's utilizing some of the same. Different people, but similar ideologies in this country.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yes. So I can, I, I do. I, I, I want to create entire. Let me, let me make my points. Very nuanced on how I feel about war. I want us not to have a secretary of defense. I want us to have a secretary of offense. I want us to be such an.

[Alad Elahu]

Aggressive Secretary of war.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Yeah, Yeah, a secretary of war. I want us to be so aggressive that like, it makes it a. If you kill an American citizen in another country, like, you should be able to go to another country as an American citizen. If you pull out a blue passport with a freaking eagle on it, the entire country be like, I'm so sorry. Like, make it like you're a Roman citizen. I didn't realize you did this. And it's like, oh, if an American citizen or American girl gets, you know, assaulted in another country, if one of our people get mugged, we are sending like murder teams to your country and you will die. Well, you, you, you, we will take care of business. There are a lot of things that I believe. I think we should be overtly, incredibly aggressive, but I think that we should have the most state of the art weaponry. I think that we should fund the military industrial complex to a great point, but we should be so aggressive that the fact we never need to use it. The fact this is what I don't like about warmongers is they look at this and they say, oh, well, we need to foster wars in other places so that, you know, Lockheed Martin can sell more missiles, so that Boeing can make more attack helicopters for us. These kind of things. That's not what I want. I want us to have the most powerful military, the most well trained military, the most aggressive military military. But I do not ever want us to waste a dollar overseas. I never want our sons and daughters to die for things that are not for Americans. America should be for Americans and I think that the Americans should be for the Americas as a whole. This is actually a unique point that I have. Why are we trading and having all of our offshore production being done with countries that hate us when South America is a outrageously predominantly Christian continent? Most of them are Catholics and you know, we can talk about Catholicism if you want, but they are, they are outspoken Christians, the born again believers. And these are people that I think if we have to have something and we can't bring it back on shore, send it down to the Americas. Let our closest allies be our closest allies. Let the rest of the world starve and see what life is like without Americans.

[Alad Elahu]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got to wrap it up. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, become a [e-mail] because if you sign up right now for at least 25 bucks, you can immediately join the chat. You can immediately submit questions to join the call in show. And I hereby decree that you have a PhD in whatever you want.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Because a beautiful PhD.

[Tim Pool]

A beautiful one. It's the best. Everyone agrees. And so timcast.com you can go to.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Wharton School Finance, or you can go to Timcast.

[Tim Pool]

Look, if you want a real diploma on your wall with an actual degree where other people clap for you, you ain't getting it from Timcast. But if you want to call yourself Dr. Whatever, then sure, become a Tim cast member. Smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Madison, do you want to shout anything out?

[Madison Cawthorn]

You know, I just want to say we have a phenomenal country. You should have a lot of hope. You should be ready to go forward. And do not take our foot off the pedal. Continue fighting like we're still in an election.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Luke Ball]

Neocons have their place in our political environment, much like mosquitoes have their place in the food chain.

[Alad Elahu]

More friendly to libertarians.

[Tim Pool]

It's outrageous.

[Madison Cawthorn]

We are. We are.

[Tim Pool]

You don't want to shout anything out?

[Madison Cawthorn]

No.

[Tim Pool]

That's it.

[Luke Ball]

That's all.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Follow him at Luke Ball. Follow me at Madison Ball.

[Luke Ball]

Madison Cawthorn. Give us a follow.

[Alad Elahu]

My name is a lot Eliyahu. You can find me on that name or Twitter. No, But I did want to quickly send my thoughts and prayers to the parents of Omar Neutra, an American Israeli hostage held by Hamas who was killed during the October 7th attack. This was followed by a tweet from a truth from Trump threatening hell to pay if the hostages aren't released. At the end of this truth, he said, release the hostages now. I wanted to commend Trump for his moral clarity when it comes to this issue.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Well said.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. You can subscribe to my Twix page. I'm Phil that Remains official on Instagram. The band is called all that Remains. You can check us out on Apple Music, YouTube, Spot, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. We have four new music videos out. One for a song called Forever Cold, let you go no tomorrow, and one for a song called Divine. And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all [e-mail] in about one minute. Thanks for hanging out.