Steve Hilton (4:35)

Fantastic to be here.

Tim Pool (4:37)

Thanks for coming.

Steve Hilton (4:38)

This is, you know, not much going on in MAGA world to discuss.

Tim Pool (4:44)

To be honest. It is surprising that this story will not stop. And so, I mean there was a soon an earth, a tsunami warning and an earthquake.

Steve Hilton (4:53)

I know.

Tim Pool (4:53)

And we're like, man. But the warning was abated and it's an advisory and everyone's chill. It's like, okay, that happened. And then this is the breaking news. But who are you? What do you do?

Steve Hilton (5:04)

Steve Hilton. I am running for governor of California. How about that? And actually, here's the news that you may have missed. There was a poll this week, the first poll with me in it since I announced at the end of April. I'm leading in the race for governor of California.

Tim Pool (5:17)

Really?

Steve Hilton (5:18)

I'm leading. I'm leading amongst all the Democrat candidates who've declared so far. Yes. And way ahead of the other Republican. And even with Kamala Harris put into the poll, I'm right there in the top two. We have a top two system in California. The primary is next June. We've had 15 years of one party rule. It's a disaster. We can get into that later.

Tim Pool (5:40)

Absolutely.

Steve Hilton (5:40)

But this is what I'm focused on. Came here to see you, but most of my time is traveling around California these days. Right on making the case for change which is desperately needed.

Tim Pool (5:51)

Agreed. So thanks for joining. Should be fun. We got Brett hanging out.

Brett Dasovic (5:54)

Guys, what's going on? Normally pop culture crisis Monday through Friday. But a lot has changed since I was here Wednesdays. So let's get into all the fun.

Phil Labonte (6:03)

All right. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

Tim Pool (6:10)

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Steve Hilton (8:28)

So a couple of things. I mean, first of all, I gotta say I do feel very sympathetic to Trump's attitude to this.

Tim Pool (8:35)

Right.

Steve Hilton (8:35)

Which is he's sitting there with this incredible election victory after everything they did to him, and he comes back and he wins the popular vote and he sweeps the swing states and, and he's getting to action and he's delivered the most incredible start to presidency anyone can remember. And all these great things are happening. And I can totally sympathize with his Frustration. So that's the first point. But you're right to say that this is kind of a self created thing, right? This is all from the way they've handled it. The other point, and I'm so glad you mentioned Acosta. So I went back over what I've said about this story in the past, and some people may remember I used to host a show on Fox News on Sunday nights, the Next Revolution. And we had a segment called Swamp Watch every week. And I would take some aspect of the swamp and it was non partisan. You know, I'd have a go, everybody, Republicans. And they didn't like it when I did that. And I went right across the board and I did a whole piece on that plea deal, that unbelievable plea deal that Alex Acosta agreed to when he was the U.S. attorney down in Florida. And the most shameful thing about that was his explanation. This is like 2007 when they first did Epstein, and he basically got off with barely any punishment at all. It was like some kind of house arrest that wasn't even house arrest. It was really bad. And Acosta said, well, to the equivalent of, well, what can you expect? This is the best we could imagine, we could hope for. In other words, he's rich, he's powerful, so of course he's gonna get something that's basically not a punishment at all. And I think that goes to the heart of why people are so fired up about this. Because it's that same old story that the elites just get away with stuff and there's no accountability. So it's beyond just the details of the case. It's this feeling of, when are we gonna get justice and accountability for these people that have been in charge? And the system just looks after itself.

Tim Pool (10:36)

Indeed. So this is also a component of the story. This is a couple days ago, Pam Bondi ousts the top ethics official at the doj. A lot of people are saying that the pressure is working and moves like this are the result of people demanding action. The fact. You know what I think? I think Bondi puts out that phase one binder thinking like, maybe if we give them some breadcrumbs, they'll stop. And they don't. The story is not letting up. Journalists are asking about it, personalities are asking about it, and Trump can't help himself. So the pressure is mounting and I think now we're starting to get movement. Trump has no choice. Something has to come out. And I will stress this, Trump, if he just said if this morning, instead of being like, I don't Want your support. He posted something simple. You are, you are correct. We will release the Epstein. We'll release everything on Epstein we can, as fast as we can. Yeah, Everyone would be cheering. Democrats would be like, yes, And I.

Steve Hilton (11:35)

Still think he's got the opportunity to do that. But look, we know his character and his temperament. He's like, if you go for him, he just punches back. I mean, that's who he is, right? So this is totally in line with what you'd expect from him. However, you can feel it in all the criticism from all the people you know in the base and the leaders of that movement who are saying, as they make the criticisms, they're all saying, we love you, we want to support you. You know, they don't want to, like, have, get into a war with Trump. And the minute, exactly, as you say, the minute that he actually makes a move in that direction, everyone will be cheering. It's still an opportunity to do that.

Tim Pool (12:13)

I just love it if he put out a truth, like tomorrow morning, saying, I'm just joshing here, the files and then it dumps them.

Phil Labonte (12:18)

You should. I want to push back on the idea that it's the, you mentioned the, like, the supporters, right? Like the influencers and stuff. I think the influencers really would fall in line were it not for the fact that specifically Gen Z. But the young Trump supporters are so incensed about this, and I talked about this last night, how young people really have just taken this particular issue and have really just, it's, it's really just offended them because they've dealt with COVID being lied to about COVID They were lied to about Biden. They were lied to about so many things. They feel like they were lied to about whether or not our system works because they don't have the same opportunity that their parents had or they feel like they don't.

Steve Hilton (13:01)

That's the huge point underlying all of this frustration and anger. I totally agree.

Phil Labonte (13:05)

And so I think that the influencers are actually respond, are being influenced by their viewers and by the base. A lot of people that are what you would call normies really don't have a lot of interest. And it's, it's, it's broken up by age. Gen Z is not having this. They are pissed. And these people are the people that you have to worry about in 10 years, 20 years, you know, what, what do they want America to look like and what are they going to vote for? And if they don't trust any, anyone in the government, you know, it makes you wonder what type of government we're going to have.

Tim Pool (13:40)

I agree with that.

Steve Hilton (13:41)

And I also agree with the, you know, the point that we're all making, which is that it's not sustainable to keep stonewalling. I mean, I remember back in the day before we moved here, for those who don't know, I moved here in 2012. I've still got the British accent, but moved from the UK with my wife and my sons. But before that I was senior advisor in the UK government to the Prime Minister, David Cameron. So I've been at the heart of these kinds of things and there's just a momentum and a pressure to these things and you think you can hold it back and you can't. And I think that is true in this case. And I totally, I think this, it is really deep. That's the point you made, is exactly right. And you can say it's just Epstein. And we get really kind of, you know, we're outraged about the, the child sex aspect of it. Of course we are. That's revolting. The most heinous crime. You know, we can say all that. But, but it is deeper and broader. It's this general feeling that the system looks after itself and we get shafted all the time and lied to about.

Phil Labonte (14:42)

It and nothing ever happens.

Steve Hilton (14:45)

Yeah, exactly. Nothing ever happens. And I think that's, that's. I mean, I do connect it to this stuff about the pardons for Fauci, for example.

Phil Labonte (14:51)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (14:52)

In relation to the pandemic and in California, I mean, literally one of the things that I've announced is that as governor, I will have a Covid Accountability Commission to look. We had the most extreme and destructive lockdowns, the anti science nonsense, the school closures, businesses closed, churches, all of that. Gavin Newsom pushing all that, even though they knew that it was making no difference. There's been no accountability.

Phil Labonte (15:14)

And it's not just that and it's not just people in government, because young people can look back to the 2008 crisis and nobody in a position of authority at any bank went to jail, nobody lost their jobs. And the government just printed money and ruined the dollar for young people. Because the effects of that money printing are really now starting to really be felt by the average American.

Steve Hilton (15:38)

So you can make the same exact point in relation to the lockdowns and all of that, because all the money that was spent unnecessarily because we needn't have shut everything down, we're going to be paying that off. Well, not, you know, those people can be paying that off for generations. Another point on accountability that I think is just so kind of crazy when you look at going back to the Epstein story narrowly. Like, they say, like, there's nothing. First of all, if there's nothing wrong here, why is Ghislaine Maxwell in jail? But then the other question is, like, why is the only person that's actually been punished for this or held accountable a woman who was, like, not even a main character in it?

Tim Pool (16:16)

I do love this, because when the memo came out, there was this meme where it was, so Jeffrey Epstein took his own life right before he was gonna be proven innocent, and Ghislaine Maxwell's in jail for nothing. And I'm immediately like, no, no, no, no, guys. The memo says that she was trafficking to Jeffrey. However, the memo also said that there was no evidence that would predicate an investigation into third parties. So the point they were making was, the official story is Ghislaine Maxwell manifested underage girls from the ether to give to Epstein. They were trafficked from no one to him. Okay, Come on. She was getting them from somewhere. That's how you prove she was trafficking. Then you have Epstein. Nobody went into or out of the prison. Here's the video. And I'm like, that's right. Epstein was never discovered dead. His corpse just lifted up, levitating, and floated out of the jail. No one came in.

Brett Dasovic (17:04)

There's actually plenty of people online who are like, I don't even know if he's dead now. For all I know, this guy's off on an island somewhere.

Tim Pool (17:10)

Well, there is this viral video, this viral image of a drone shot. Someone was flying, and there's a guy pressed up against a golf cart, like, trying to hide from the drone. And everyone's like, that's Epstein. I don't know, man. But some people, there's like a viral 4chan post where they post something like, they came in in the wee hours of morning, brought Epstein out, and then, you know, the next thing anybody knew, they said that he was dead, but they don't know that ever came in. And the conspiracy theory is that they shuffled him out of the jail.

Steve Hilton (17:41)

You know, the other ridiculous thing, Just pure kind of, you know, handling basics of this thing. When they. They put out the video and there's the missing minute or whatever.

Tim Pool (17:51)

Three minutes.

Steve Hilton (17:52)

Three minutes. And then there's no explanation when they do it, and then they. They're cleaning it up afterwards when people ask questions rather than putting it out, as many people have pointed out. Just, you know, if this is going to be your position, have a press conference, release the information, be ready to take questions, explain at the outset why there's the missing minutes, and then people are not immediately suspicious.

Phil Labonte (18:13)

Yeah, just basic lack of attention to detail. All of this stuff. It's. It should have been obvious to anyone that was thinking about releasing this. Look, man, people are going to see that there's time missing, and they're going to say, oh, I got to be honest.

Tim Pool (18:29)

Have you. Have you. Have you guys ever been watching someone try and do a thing that you're better at? And you're like, I know. You're like, stop. Like, let me. Let me do it. And they're like, I can do it, man. And you're like, oh, my. Like, they're trying to change a tire on a car. And they're like, they can't get the nut. This is what I see when I see the Trump administration's PR handling of all the Epstein stuff. It's like watching all of them fumble and flub all of the optics on this, knowing that I'm being somewhat facetious, but I feel like literally anybody could have done a better job at. They could have hired, like, a marketing intern fresh out of college to ask them what the plan should be and how you handle the release of these memos or whatever they're doing.

Phil Labonte (19:08)

It's out of character, too, because the Trump administration has been so good at optics and so good at messing.

Tim Pool (19:13)

He's good at it.

Steve Hilton (19:14)

He understands it.

Brett Dasovic (19:15)

The problem is.

Steve Hilton (19:16)

But he didn't. That's the point.

Tim Pool (19:17)

He.

Steve Hilton (19:17)

Sorry, he didn't. This wasn't his operation. And that's. That's, I think, an important part of this. And I think he's been let down by all these people, maybe so bad still stops with.

Brett Dasovic (19:27)

No, the buck stops with him. And the problem is, is that he has a bombastic personality and an ego that won't allow him to pull back and look at things at a grander scale. And when you keep telling people, well, you're no longer a supporter of mine. When you tell the. The amount of fumbling that's going on right now is, look, the people who don't want to see this going on are like, look, anyone talking about Trump's base being a cult, his entire base is taking him to task right now.

Tim Pool (19:53)

Right, let's jump to this story. We got this from cnn, the most trusted name in news. Apparently, Trump lashes out at weaklings who believe Epstein bullish amid building GOP pressure to release documents. I just love the point Brows is making These liberals are going out being like, haha, you're in a cult. Meanwhile, literally every Trump supporter is like Trump, what are you doing?

Brett Dasovic (20:13)

This has been the greatest week ever to watch all of this stuff like fall down for people where you're like, look, you have to understand that people do not look at this as a cult. These people want to see this stuff. And if there's one thing that nobody is going to allow anybody a freebie on, it's the abuse of children.

Phil Labonte (20:28)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (20:28)

So this is from Trump's truth. He says their new scam is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. And my past supporters have bought into this bullish hook, line and sinker. Trump wrote in a missive on Truth Social. They haven't learned their lesson and probably never will. Even after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years. I've had more success in six months than perhaps any president in our country's history. And all these people want to talk about, with strong prodding by the fake news and the success star of Dems, the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work. Don't even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented sex success because I don't want their support anymore.

Brett Dasovic (21:09)

They deserve to lose seats now that they deserve it.

Tim Pool (21:13)

So apocalyptic.

Phil Labonte (21:14)

They it's so. Let me go ahead, I want to.

Tim Pool (21:17)

I want to read this from Mike Davis. Let's be crystal clear. MAGA influencers do not have a power base separate from Trump. Their power is derivative of Trump. Trump isn't running for reelection. They need Trump a hell of a lot more than he needs them. Quote, I'll stay home in the next election. Go for it. If ever there was a temper tantrum spiraling out of control.

Steve Hilton (21:40)

That's exactly what I was just thinking.

Tim Pool (21:42)

To burn down your goodwill.

Steve Hilton (21:44)

It's so emotional and you just think, come on. Look, there really are serious things at stake. If the Dems take control of the House, then that's the end of any kind of progress legislatively. So you can't just sort of throw it all away. There's by the way, important elections next year, including mine in California. So I would like to see an engaged and fired up base.

Tim Pool (22:07)

I'd love to see California, you know.

Steve Hilton (22:09)

So I just think that we can't afford this kind of thing. It is very, very, it's kind of feel so petulant. That particular one. It feels, this is petulant.

Tim Pool (22:16)

This is like PR destruction.

Brett Dasovic (22:21)

And here's thing they can't. This is thing it can be afforded. Because if there's one thing people will not accept, it's the abuse of children. They will lose. They will throw everything away if it means that these files come and the people who abuse children are held accountable. And he cannot call it a hoax, because there is a woman in jail, supposedly, that is, you know, relevant to this entire story. So then the question is, why is she in jail if that's a hoax?

Steve Hilton (22:44)

And I do. I really agree with the people who've said, let's hear from her and, and let her just absolutely be.

Tim Pool (22:50)

Where was she getting the kids from? When they say there's no third parties involved, it's like, okay, maybe you should investigate more than just her and figure out where the kids were coming from. It's not like Elaine Maxwell pulled children from the ether. She got them from somewhere.

Steve Hilton (23:06)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (23:06)

I mean, the. The fact that people are still upset about this is directly connected to the fact. To the. The just the heinousness of the crimes.

Tim Pool (23:16)

I think this is this tweet, however, from Mike Davis. Basically, we don't need you. Goodbye. I want to stress what he doesn't understand is. I get. I think. I think the clarification is, MAGA Influencer refers specifically to people who are. Who are of Trump and only Trump, and they don't have anything else going for them, prominent personalities on X or whatever. But MAGA Influencer is going to make a lot of people feel like you're talking about them, because who are the people critical of Trump right now? It's not the MAGA diehards. They're saying, okay, Trump, I trust you. So when he's criticizing people, he's basically saying, in the periphery of the Trump base, I guarantee you there's going to be someone like, you know, Andrew Schultz already did. But not just that. There's going to be somebody who voted for Trump, supports Trump, like what Trump is doing, but also is a hothead just like Trump. And there will be, as long as it's one. It's bad. One guy who goes, oh, yeah, mother, fine, I ain't voting.

Phil Labonte (24:16)

Screw you.

Tim Pool (24:16)

I'll watch the country burn. And you're like, fine, I don't care. Do whatever you want. It's like, no, we need every vote we exactly get.

Steve Hilton (24:22)

Exactly.

Phil Labonte (24:23)

And also, because, like, if. If the Republicans lose the House, there's impeachments, there will be no legislation passed that, that conservatives think is good. And more to the point, if a Democrat wins in 2028 or whatever, in the next election, they're going to come after Republicans again. If you think that what Biden was doing, what Biden was doing and how they were attacking conservatives was bad before, it's only going to be worse because there's actually been attempts to change things. And they know that another republic, the Democrats and the people that you would consider deep staters, they'll know whoever is in, in, in the office of the president, if they're allowed to be a Republican, they're going to actually do more. And that's the last thing they want.

Tim Pool (25:15)

Viva Fry made a really great point. He had, he had a post where he said, with, you know, I'll just clarify some Russell's point, Dan. And Cash came out and said, we looked at the files, Epstein killed himself. And his response was, wait a minute, the files from the Democrat DOJ that was corrupt and was weaponizing the DOJ against you. Like, why would you just take their file and go, this must be correct, and now claim there isn't one? This is gaslighting. I mean, maybe the argument is they got in, went through the file and said, oh, okay. And then later, Trump was like, you believe that? And they went, oops, okay, I guess there's no file.

Brett Dasovic (25:52)

You can't send a bunch of people out of the White House with binders for a photo op.

Tim Pool (25:57)

Phase one.

Brett Dasovic (25:58)

Phase one, and then call it a hoax. It's like, nobody's that stupid.

Steve Hilton (26:02)

Maybe the weird part of this as well is I don't understand what, what is holding them back from transparency? Because, you know, this argument that, oh, well, you know, you're seeing it from the left. Well, Trump must be in the files. And that's why it's just, to me, so preposterous. If he was, why wouldn't they have, you know, used that against him in the past?

Tim Pool (26:23)

They leaked his taxes.

Steve Hilton (26:24)

Ridiculous.

Phil Labonte (26:25)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (26:25)

The other point is just people need to remember is that the original soft prosecution with that ridiculous plea deal or whatever, that was under Bush 2007, and then. And Biden did nothing and Epstein was arrested and put in jail when Trump was president. And also the point Charlie made, I think today that Trump kicked him out of Mar A Lago because he was so disgusted by his behavior. So the idea that Trump is implicated in this just seems ridiculous to me. So why not just be transparent?

Tim Pool (26:53)

They need to be better on their messaging. This is a good tweet right here. This from Alex Pfeiffer. He says, are you a conservative that voted for secure borders, ICE raids and end of child mutilation, designating the cartels as terrorist organizations, DEI out of government, and the defunding of npr. Well, President Trump is delivering on all of those issues. Congratulations. And I agree, I agree. The only issue is why is it so antagonistic in the way you're phrasing it? The administration. This tweet was good, but he should have said something like, I understand people are upset on this issue, and I understand why, but please at least consider our victories, list of victories.

Brett Dasovic (27:29)

The thing is, for topics like this, whether it's for people who work in politics or even people in this space who comment on it, you tend to look at things at a macro scale. You're looking at things in the theoretical and the tech in, as tactics rather than as what is actually happening in the world. And if you're somebody who's just an average everyday person and we're talking about horrific things being done to children, they don't care about all of these things because that is so egregious to the average everyday person that it can't be looked at as just one issue in a plate full of issues, even if they're succeeding on every other aspect that they're attempting to deliver on because it is so bad. You cannot just get past this.

Phil Labonte (28:08)

You know, and there's a lot of assumption going on when it comes to the people that are upset about this. Right? There's an assumption. There's an assumption that there are a lot more people involved and that there are a lot more people that have. Have, you know, sexually assaulted children and, you know, essentially raped children. That's possible, but that's not guaranteed. You know, you don't. We don't actually know that there's a lot more. It could have been just Epstein and, And what is it? Prince Andrew was his name, Prince Andre? Been just those two people.

Tim Pool (28:39)

One guy?

Phil Labonte (28:40)

Well, I'm not, but, and I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that it's. It's impossible that there are more people. But the, the point that I'm making is they're assuming that this is the case, and because of that, until they get their. Their pound of flesh, they're not going to be satisfied. So even if there were. Were more information to be released, the people that believe, just like the people that believe that Epstein was Mossad and that, that it's. It's involved with Israel, those people will never be satisfied.

Steve Hilton (29:06)

But they, but if, but that aspect of it as well goes to this suspicion that this is all just the government and the deep state looking after itself and whatever and that's another thing that can be put to rest if, if you just had transparency and the fact that it's not being done.

Phil Labonte (29:22)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (29:22)

Fuels all that, you know, speculation. And I just think it's ridiculous that I, I truly don't understand. I genuinely don't understand what is the barrier. I don't either to just being transparent in.

Brett Dasovic (29:36)

One of the biggest rallying cries for Trump from 2016 onwards was the idea of fake news and that you are being lied to by an evil government and an evil political media apparatus that's telling you one thing and doing another. And now he is saying one thing and doing another. And that is a very, very hard thing. You can't work your way back from that. Like when you were once seen as somebody who was supposed to drain the swamp, bring people back to a world with actual functional government, even though we know that's kind oxymoronic in a lot of ways. You can't talk about truth and then start sidestepping your own words and have the same and expect to have the same impact on people that you had when people were first brought to the idea of fake media and evil politicians.

Tim Pool (30:19)

Let's jump to this next story from Mediate. You're not the Pope, bro. Alex Jones goes off over Trump throwing his Epstein disgruntled fans out of maga. And I think Alex Jones was basically saying, like, he will never defend or protect globalist pedos and traffickers just because it's Trump or just because of the victories we may be getting. Here's a quote. He says, well, you're not the Pope, bro. I mean, you're not speaking from the throne. Ex. How do you pronounce that? Cathedral. And plus, I'm not Catholic. The thing with Catholics is. Just give me a break. Anybody who disagrees with anything I say is banished. Saying. And I'm not saying Trump led as a cult. The Democrats are the cult of hating reason and logic and common sense. But when Trump starts behaving like that, it starts getting into cult territory. And I bet since I talked the first hour and said I'm not in this cult, that's what it's turning into. I bet there's already news articles about it. Okay, we. You're not wrong, Alex. But then we have this. Interestingly, this is from a couple days ago. We brought it up. Charlie Kirk said, I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being, I'm going to trust my friends administration. Charlie went on to. I think it's important context, too, because when we've talked about this. This should be mentioned. He says we should have the information. Trump should do it. But I understand, you know, they're working and I trust them, so I'll let them cook. Well, here's the latest, Charlie. Kirk pleads with Trump to deal with Epstein files. Truly, because we care about you. Charlie was trying to say we're going to move on. You cannot. Trump has made this the, the, the prime principal headline news story in politics and culture. And now all of his base that were trying to calm things down are ripped right back into it from Kirk Jones or whoever else may be. And then Megyn Kelly was roasting the ultra loyalists who are just agreeing with Trump no matter what.

Steve Hilton (32:06)

You know, and Charlie, I thought he put it well, I mean, look, he's a good friend of mine. He, you know, supporting my campaign. He's fantastic. And I thought he did a fantastic job today. I listened to it. Of explaining why this matters so much and why it needs to be addressed. And it was interesting that, having said he wasn't going to talk about it. He talked about it.

Tim Pool (32:24)

Get away from it.

Steve Hilton (32:25)

To your point that it's coming from below. It's a grassroots nuts.

Phil Labonte (32:28)

And to that point. So I listen to this show that has Mark Halperin and Sean Spicer on it, and every day they're talking about it. Not because they are particularly, particularly interested, but every day there's news made about it. The same thing with the New York Times. They have a podcast in the morning and every day there's been something on the Epstein list. And again, not because they're particularly interested in it, but because every day there's actually news on it. Trump continues to make news on it. The influencers that are in Trump's orbit continue to make news on it. And until. I don't see this stopping until more information comes out or until Trump actually addresses it in a way that will satisfy his base. Because Trump can do that. He has that ability.

Steve Hilton (33:11)

The news today, just now about firing the prosecutor isn't. I don't think that's what people have been asking for. I mean, again, in a way it raises more questions. Like, I mean, it's very interesting, the Comey connection, all of that. Super interesting. But why? And what's the explanation? I don't think there's any explanation given. And so here we are again with an announcement that doesn't satisfy all the questions that people have.

Tim Pool (33:39)

I do love this headline from, from Daily Mail. Anti trans activist Riley Gaines turns on Donald Trump over refusal to release Epstein files the The. The other title they have was Trump's golden girl. Riley Gaines turns on him over Epstein files. Look, man, it's just. You can't come out like Trump did and basically bang a fist on the table for, you know. You know, let me put it this way. Trump went to a rally in 2021. He said, get the vax. And they booed him. And they said, all right, well, you know, I'm going to make you get it, but I think it's good. And they booed and he moved on. Trump used to understand, as much as the media might say it's a cult, he knew he needed to rally this group of support to get their backing. Now with this post, it's like he's banging the table saying, don't you dare defy me. And it doesn't work.

Steve Hilton (34:29)

Yeah, but I think that it's because he feels that he's not getting credit for the scale of the results and achievements so far in his presence.

Tim Pool (34:41)

I agree. He didn't ask for it.

Phil Labonte (34:42)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (34:43)

If his. If his post today was, like I said with Pfeiffer, I understand the frustration, the anger. Trust me, I am here for you, and we are working on this, and we are gonna get you the truth. But look at these big, beautiful victories. Let's not derail over this one issue. Let's work together. Then people would have been like, yay.

Brett Dasovic (35:02)

It was like he posted the Superman meme, like, right after all this stuff leaked. I'm like, bro, this is the least Superman thing you could possibly ever do.

Tim Pool (35:09)

My favorite was immediately after the backlash. It's like he gets asked what's going on with the Epstein. He goes, I'm gonna take Rosie o' Donnell's citizenship away. And everyone's like, what are you talking about?

Brett Dasovic (35:21)

Like, that would be funny if it was literally anything but the Epstein files.

Tim Pool (35:25)

It would be funny if it was literally at any other time than when.

Brett Dasovic (35:28)

That's what I'm saying. That feels like a disconnect from the seriousness of what we're talking about. When. When you're sidestepping like that, when you're turning it into. To jokes and making memes and then the rest of kind of the ones who are on the receiving end of whatever policies you're enacting see the seriousness of it. They're like, you're not taking this seriously. And to be fair to the base and to him is like, usually that personality for him works very well. And his kind of disconnected approach to politics is something people find charming in a lot of ways this is not one of those times.

Steve Hilton (36:02)

And also the other thing is that he's so. The brilliant thing about him, which is I think it's a big driver of why people love him, is he's so transparent about things, usually. And you don't get the typical politician BS and, you know, circumnavigating the issue.

Phil Labonte (36:21)

And he's incapable of not being.

Steve Hilton (36:23)

That's right. And every, you know, he's very clear with his thinking, just as he has been on Ukraine and Russia and why he's changed and on everything. It's what we're used to from him.

Brett Dasovic (36:32)

Well, then that's something that should make people ask questions. Why is it that you've behaved this way on literally every issue if you have nothing to hide? Why is your approach to this topic so drastically different than how you've approached literally everything else you've done in government?

Tim Pool (36:46)

Should I take the shoes down?

Brett Dasovic (36:49)

I suppose you can wait for further. It was like the. I was going to wear my. I was. I was going to wear my Bill Clinton shirt on the show one time. I was like, that's the day they'll drop the list and he'll be at the very top. I'll be crap.

Tim Pool (37:01)

He'll be like, not a good day for a joke.

Steve Hilton (37:03)

I've got another. Actually, it just occurred to me, because it's a really good question, is I wonder whether it's something to do with the people involved who he's just very, very fond of. Pam Bondi was on his defense team for impeachment. Akash and Dan were absolutely kind of right there. Massive champions for him all the way through. Totally loyal. And I just wonder if he's like, you're not. No, these are really my people. And back off. If there's an element of that.

Brett Dasovic (37:32)

Some of those photos, Pam Bondi looked like she's been having a rough time lately.

Tim Pool (37:35)

I would not want that. Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (37:37)

Like, she's like, she's aged 10 years and.

Tim Pool (37:39)

And you can't quit.

Brett Dasovic (37:40)

You can't.

Tim Pool (37:41)

You can't leave. Yeah. They're gonna be like, no, because it would cause too much problems. So you have no choice. You stick around. Like, the Bongino thing. They're not gonna let him leave. You know, he walks out or whatever. You know, to be honest, it's hard to know what to believe because Dan does not come off, come up, come off as the kind of guy who's gonna pull a PR stunt and pretend to leave or anything like that. Apparently, he talked to Trump and then Trump Convinced him to stick around. I think it would have been, you know, I'm torn. It would have been epic if Dan came out with a public statement saying, I'm not gonna be party, whatever this is, guys, I'm done. At the same time, I don't want Trump to lose. No, Democrats are nuts.

Steve Hilton (38:16)

Exactly. Now that the Democrats are like, all over it in a totally cynical way, after having had no interest in any of this for years, I think it's incredibly important that we come out as a, as a party in a movement on the right side of this.

Brett Dasovic (38:32)

It's, it's an interesting thought on that because it is one of those things where it's like their eyes are closed the whole time this is going on. But there have been elements of Trump's base and fans, or at least, at least people who held their nose and voted for him, who have been adamant about the release of these files in the follow up to this case for years. And it just proves which side is actually approaching their, you know, their view on politics from a critical way rather than team sport mentality, which is what so much of it is these days.

Tim Pool (38:58)

Yeah, yeah.

Phil Labonte (38:59)

Look, I mean, I don't know. There's not going to be anything that's going to fix this until Trump, Trump himself actually does just one.

Brett Dasovic (39:07)

It's just a list with one name and it's just Prince Andrew.

Phil Labonte (39:10)

Look, I don't, I don't know what it is, but, you know, I don't know what's actually going on. There's a lot of people that'll swear up and down that, oh, I know this, and this is what it's got to be, and you have to see it this way and et cetera. I don't have any inside information. Obviously there was nefarious stuff going on, but until Trump addresses. Is it. It's not going away.

Tim Pool (39:27)

Nope. I think we're winning. I think, you know, Trump, Trump has already tried walking it back. He's basically like, you know, release whatever's credible. And now I think it was John Solomon is saying that Trump's going to appoint a special prosecutor that would be good to continue the case. And I do think there is a possibility the story is not nearly as grandiose as many people expect it to be. That the, you know, all the blackmail stuff, it's, it's. We're all playing Sudoku, right? There's a bunch of pieces of information that were released and everyone said this is the story that fits the best. I guarantee you this. There's parts of this story that no one ever. People have never even considered. And I'm sure some people may have exaggerated what may be happening. I'm sure it's really, really bad, because we do have evidence suggesting this.

Steve Hilton (40:13)

And you got someone in jail, right?

Tim Pool (40:15)

Exactly.

Brett Dasovic (40:16)

Yeah. And if Kevin Spacey is calling for transparency.

Tim Pool (40:20)

Oh, my God. Did you guys see Stephen King? Yeah. When he was like, the Epstein list is real, just like the tooth fairy in Santa Claus. And then I can't remember who posted it, but they were like, you criticize literally every single thing Trump has done, and this is the one time you.

Brett Dasovic (40:35)

Defend him that's not suspicious. I don't know what is.

Tim Pool (40:39)

Well, have you read his books?

Brett Dasovic (40:40)

Yes.

Tim Pool (40:41)

A lot of people don't know this, but Stephen King writes an awful lot about children being raped and having sex. And like the book, it. For instance, most people have only seen the movie. They don't know that for seemingly no reason. After the children. Their children defeat the evil clown, they are like, he literally. It's nuts. It's like that. Imagine the stories written like this. They defeated the clown and they cheered. Let's all go home and celebrate. What a dangerous day. Then they took off all their clothes. The young girl placed herself up against the wall, and then he just graphically details child rape.

Steve Hilton (41:18)

That's the happy ending, and that's what they've defeated.

Tim Pool (41:21)

And. And everybody's like, why did you write that? And he's like, it's a metaphor for losing your childhood or something. And they were like, what? And then he was like, but kids died in the book. And they're like, yeah, because it's a horror. But, like. And he's like, shouldn't that be worse? And it's like, bro, you. You wrote a chapter, like, this whole graphic depiction, and then you add that he's got other stories like this, mind you. And then Trump comes out, and the one time he defends Trump, he's like, yeah, there's no clients. What is that? What is that? What is anyone talking about?

Brett Dasovic (41:50)

Oddly enough, he doesn't realize that that is the. That is the one crime that's considered unforgivable by all, for all intents and purposes. Like, people get forgiven of murder all the time. Nobody's get. You know, nobody's getting forgiven of what he's talking about.

Phil Labonte (42:04)

I mean, they shouldn't be like, if you're. If you violate children, like, there's a meme on the Internet that I'm not going to say, but, like, you know, there's a reason why people have such a strong emotional reaction to violating children.

Tim Pool (42:14)

You know, let's jump to this from the post Millennial. Trump supports appointing a special prosecutor for the Epstein files. Veteran journalist says Good. Just the news. Founder John Solomon revealed to Bannon that he'd spoken with Trump. Well, told him he was thinking about big issues. Let's play the tape.

Phil Labonte (42:28)

Did inform him that they're thinking about appointing a special. A special counsel on this to take over this entire.

Tim Pool (42:34)

This entire investigation. Yeah. And he sounds like it's a good approach. Let's just do it. Let's get. Let's get the trust of the American people. Let's get accountability, and then let's focus on the things that matter. So he is.

Phil Labonte (42:43)

He's on board with the situation of.

Tim Pool (42:46)

Getting a special prosecutor and having.

Phil Labonte (42:48)

And having the Epstein situation put into that so that can be formally looked.

Tim Pool (42:52)

At legitimate and really in a criminal volunteer. By the way, Steve, you know, I asked about the special. He immediately volunteers, and then I follow up on it. But he immediately brings up Epps, like, just throw that in. Let's get it all answered. I got nothing to hide. I want truth and I want prosecutions. And I. I just want the justice system to take care of what needs to be taken care of. It was a really, a remarkable moment. You know, the challenge, I think, for Trump right now is that he's dug himself in too deep. In order to get out of it. He's going to need a patsy. Someone's got to get thrown under the bus. And the expectation it's going to be Pam Bondi.

Steve Hilton (43:21)

I think he's been very clear that he's supporting it. I think. No, but this is a way out. If they do something like this, it's like, let's get it all out there.

Tim Pool (43:29)

Yeah. But saying, I don't want your support.

Phil Labonte (43:31)

Yeah, that was bad.

Tim Pool (43:33)

If he were to come out in next week and say, I have been made aware that Pam Bondi had withheld information leading me to make incorrect conclusions, and for this, we will immediately be taking action and terminating her, blah, blah.

Steve Hilton (43:47)

I don't get any sense that that's.

Tim Pool (43:49)

I don't think he'll do it, but I don't know how he recovers from saying, I don't want your support. Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of people who will say, then you can never have it later.

Steve Hilton (43:57)

Well, I don't know about that. I think that people are just, look, you know, there's a very kind of personal relationship with Trump and people he's so transparent. Usually I think people can see he's just really annoyed about all this. And that's the, you know, the flavor of what he put out there. I don't think. I think that, look, I agree that something needs to happen to be, to get the transparency. And I think that is the way out of this. And if he does that, as we were saying earlier, I think people will just move on.

Brett Dasovic (44:23)

And this isn't the only time recently, like we were talking about the other day when he swore during the, during Israel and Iran and during the bombing and then he was getting really upset, he was losing his cool with people. Now normally he's able to deflect with his own brand of humor in bombastic personality, but when you're swearing on live television, that doesn't inspire confidence for somebody who's supposed to be the supposed leader of the free world. Right. So I feel like he's just taken some Ls in the last beyond this with people questioning why we were getting involved with that. And it just hasn't been as smooth sitting like you were saying. Maybe he feels like he's not getting the credit he deserves. And the average everyday person just like, I didn't put you in office to get credit. I got. We put you in office to do things for us. That's your job. You work for us.

Phil Labonte (45:09)

Yes.

Steve Hilton (45:10)

And I suppose his response to that would be, I am doing things, so let's focus on that and let's keep doing more things instead of this, which is in the past and blah, blah, blah. I think that's his response.

Brett Dasovic (45:22)

I think that's just the issue with being a little bit less polished, as is his personality and having an ego. And when you can't control it, it ends up hurting you.

Phil Labonte (45:31)

I mean, I assume so. But as for the pan for a special prosecutor, that would actually take the heat off for a while because then he can just refer to the special prosecutor and people could say, you can say, look, we're, we're looking into it. There's more information. And obviously the people that are never going to be satisfied are still not going to be satisfied, of course, because they're. Until they see the results that they have already decided are out there, they will never be satisfied. But I think that a special prosecutor is probably the best thing he can do, at least at this point. You know, I don't know that it'll help Republicans in the midterms.

Tim Pool (46:06)

Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (46:07)

Say, like, are they going to be. Is the idea that they appoint a special prosecutor. But then once the midterm comes along like, look, you did this this long ago.

Phil Labonte (46:15)

Yeah, but I mean, I'm still of the opinion the important thing at the midterms is the economy.

Steve Hilton (46:20)

Oh, I was about to say exactly that. Yeah, it's going to be real things that affect your real life because. And that is what people will vote on as. And yeah, I think he understands that as well. But. But you can't get to talking about that if you've got this barrier in the way.

Phil Labonte (46:35)

Talk about that though. You don't need experience because that's what people do. That's just what people do. Look, if people go to. When it comes to midterms, Gen Z is probably not going to the polls anyways. On, if we're being honest, Gen Z is not going to go and vote for, for the midterms. They just don't. Historically they don't. Only maybe Democrats that are activists, Gen Z will. Right. Otherwise Gen Z doesn't go. It's going to be the boomers and Gen X. They're going to be the ones that go to, to vote in the midterms. And if they have, if they have, if they feel like the economy's okay and they feel like they're making money and they feel like their dollar is going further than it did two years ago, they are going to vote for Republicans. They don't. Then the Republicans are going to get trounced.

Steve Hilton (47:17)

You get a much lower turnout in the midterms. I mean, funnily enough, that is a big focus for me because in California that's how I see my path to victory, which is actually getting a higher turnout than you usually get for people who really are fired up and want change in a real sense, because everything is so expensive in California. It's all a nightmare. Highest housing costs, highest gas prices. And I'm out there with a plan for how we can fix that. $3 gas, own your own home, you know, practical things. And that's my whole plan is like, let's go out and vote for it. And of course, if you vote for me as governor, you're also voting in the House races in California, which by the way, will make the difference because that's where most of the really close contests are.

Brett Dasovic (48:02)

You gonna get that light rail finished in California?

Phil Labonte (48:07)

There was just a tweet that I saw about that a little while ago.

Steve Hilton (48:11)

What a joke.

Phil Labonte (48:13)

What is it Trump has just said? He just truthed a few minutes ago to the law abiding, taxpaying, hardworking citizens of the United States. Of America. I'm thrilled to announce that I have officially freed you from funding California's disastrously overpriced high speed trains.

Steve Hilton (48:25)

Nowhere. Fantastic. I'm actually seeing Sean Duffy tomorrow. I'm amazing. We talk about this and other things, but the federal money for the high speed rail is actually the smallest part of it. So we still have to kill it in California.

Tim Pool (48:38)

It's insane how much money is wasted in that state.

Steve Hilton (48:42)

Oh, they've doubled the budget of the state of California in the last 10 years and everything is worse.

Tim Pool (48:47)

Is California is like effective? Is it, Is that how the politicians launder money? It's like, just go to California, we'll give you state and federal funds and then do whatever you want. Yeah.

Steve Hilton (48:57)

I mean, and this is what we were just chatting about it earlier. This is what you get in a one party state. It's been one party rule. I mean, it's not a one. I mean that's actually more of a Republican state than people think. Like the average share of the vote in California for Republicans in the last few years is 40% or so. I mean that's not 50, but it's not 20. There's actually a lot more Republicans than people think. But one party rule where they assume that they're never going to get challenged and they're gonna have it all their own way, they get totally arrogant. They don't care what they do with the money because they assume they're never going to have a challenge on the other side. That all they pay attention to their activists, their base, the unions that fund their campaigns, the trial lawyers that fund them, all of that and they lose touch with real people.

Brett Dasovic (49:40)

I mean, they drove Hollywood away.

Steve Hilton (49:42)

I know. There was a story.

Brett Dasovic (49:44)

Well, it's been Canada for a long time. They're. They're driving away overseas.

Tim Pool (49:48)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (49:48)

There was a story a couple of weeks ago, literally, could Los Angeles become the next Detroit because of the collapse? And I'm there the whole time. There was like just, okay, people who feel sorry for the movie stars. That's not what you're worried about. It's all the working class people who support the industry, the electricians and the people who build the sets and the make hair and makeup. All of that. All of that is. And you've got bars, right? One of my, the first day of my campaign, I made a specific point of going to this bar, the Pineapple Hill Saloon, because she was the. Remember that viral video of that when Gavin Newsom shut down outdoor dining? And, and except there were all these loopholes and this. And this woman, Angela Marsden, she'd built this lovely outdoor patio to comply with all the stupid rules, invested her own money in it. And then he just, you know, add a stroke, shuts down outdoor dining. The next day, this lavish kind of canteen is built in her parking lot. Because it's some movie that they've got an exception. Anyway, I went there on the. To make that point about the pandemic and accountability and the lockdowns. But one of the things that came out of that is like, they're right there in Studio City. Massive collapse in business because of the collapse of Hollywood. So. So there's so much impact from that.

Brett Dasovic (51:04)

I remember Rob Lowe went on a podcast and talk about they film an American game show in Ireland because it's. They fly Americans to Ireland to film it.

Tim Pool (51:12)

Ye. Ireland. Oh, the other one is it's cheaper.

Brett Dasovic (51:13)

To do it there than on a lot in California.

Steve Hilton (51:15)

MasterChef.

Tim Pool (51:16)

Right.

Steve Hilton (51:16)

I know. Gordon Ramsay. I love that show. I watch it with my sons. You know, like, they're there. It's Australia.

Brett Dasovic (51:23)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (51:23)

This season right now, we're in the middle of it is there. It's all in Australia.

Brett Dasovic (51:26)

That's why, like, most of the movies that are being made today, they were. They start filming in the UK because the tax credits are so much higher over there.

Tim Pool (51:33)

I just want to give a quick shout out, you know, I saw Superman. I thought it was really great. And we got to give more credit to J.B. johnson, lighting technician. I thought the lighting was fantastic. No one cares about all of these people in the credits of all of these movies. And the credits roll and they wait for the after credit scene. And it's just all of these names that may as well be pictures of cats as far as most people are concerned. So when we talk. You made that. You made the point. So I looked it up. Everybody's talking about, you know, Robert Downey Jr. What is he getting, like 200 million for doomsday or something?

Brett Dasovic (52:03)

I think it's a hundred million or 100 million.

Tim Pool (52:06)

And then there's working class people who do hair and makeup and lighting, and they get paid 20 bucks an hour. And when those films break down and leave because the state is mismanaged, working class jobs evaporate.

Steve Hilton (52:16)

There's another really important point about this, which is that if you get into the details, like Gavin Newsom's talking about increasing the tax credits and whatever, but even the group that hands out the tax credits in California, because they're so kind of left and obsessed with, you know, Their kind of, you know, political priorities. Then even the support is not going to these big movies. They're giving it to kind of, you know, small indie films. And we love, I want all films to be successful, but it's these big movies that employ a lot of people for a long time. So they got job security and they're there and they sort of, they're against all of that and they're happy to see it disappear. It's unbelievable.

Tim Pool (52:53)

Let's jump to this story from the New York Post. Zoran Mamdani gets heroes welcome from Lefty Dems at AOC hosted breakfast in D.C. meanwhile, Democrat strategist, strategist says party should pray long and hard for an effing depression in the United States. So I want to highlight this real quick. Just to point out, as mad as we all may be about Trump and the Epstein thing, I'm still like, I'll put it this way. I might get mad at my brother, but I'm not really that mad. Like at the end of the day, he's my brother. You know what I mean? The Democrats are psychotic. And so there's, there's. Look, Trump can say whatever he wants. I ain't voting for these people.

Brett Dasovic (53:31)

I've heard this multiple times. Who is the last person that said this? Just a couple of years ago saying like they were praying for depression or.

Tim Pool (53:38)

I mean, Bill Maher said it.

Brett Dasovic (53:40)

Oh, it was Bill Maher that I'm thinking of. Yeah.

Tim Pool (53:42)

Not. Not cool Bill.

Brett Dasovic (53:43)

Yeah, you should have mentioned that to him when you were there. You shouldn't. Like, hey, so what about that depression?

Tim Pool (53:47)

I mean, true. And a lot of people, you know, we're talking about, like when I sat down with Bill and politics was like, with his, with his show Club Random. It's general conversation. So politics only comes in a little bit when. And then he tries to change the subject. But I digress. I respect him. I do. I appreciate that he, you know, I don't know if you saw that John Leguizamo clip.

Steve Hilton (54:06)

I haven't seen it yet.

Tim Pool (54:07)

Oh, man. John Leguizamo is on Bill Maher's show and he says there's no left in this country. There's a center with a slight left and then far right. And Bill, Bill Maher is like his brain explodes. He's like, what?

Brett Dasovic (54:19)

John Leguizamo is a particular brand of crazy.

Phil Labonte (54:23)

He is.

Tim Pool (54:24)

It's like, how do you go further left than communist?

Steve Hilton (54:27)

But they're kind of self image. They, they don't even realize that sort of Lack of self awareness is amazing.

Tim Pool (54:34)

Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (54:34)

I mean there are people that were that say that like Warner Brothers and that CNN is now pro Trump that they're like David Zaslav has turned CNN into a pro Trump network.

Tim Pool (54:44)

Who said that?

Brett Dasovic (54:45)

Just that that is the general sentiment you will see online. The type of person who says that there is no left in this country. There is a center and a far right. Are the same people who say that CNN is now a pro Trump network.

Tim Pool (54:58)

You know, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to pick on you, Jess. I'm going to pick on Jess Margera. Because I was tweeting at him earlier. He does have a really funny picture. I respect his, his, his profile picture on X morbidly obese Patel. But he, he made this insane post where he said that Jeffrey Epstein was the largest donor to Pam Bondi. And I saw that. I'm like, I just, that's just not true. And so I went on ChatGPT and I said, did Epstein fund Bondi? And it. No, that's not correct. That's never been correct. And then I posted the screenshot and he responds with those unfamiliar. He's, he's like, you know, D list celebrity, I'm not trying to be a dick. He's in a band called cky. They're in the new Tony Hawk game that just came out, the remake. And he posts Open Secrets and let me see if I can just find the image and show you. Exactly. And I'm using this as an example of how the left doesn't know what the is going on in the world. He posts Open Secrets which tracks funding and it says like information organization unavailable. And he uses that to imply that. Here we go. Let me pull this up. I got it, I got it, I got it. I'll grab his tweet. Here we go. This is your, this is your run of the mill live on the Internet. He says Epstein was Pam Bondi's biggest campaign donor as Florida attorney general from 29 2011-19 when a ton of evidence lawsuits. He then said why am I a better journalist than anyone in mainstream media? In 90 seconds while wearing a pink Floyd pajama pants making coffee. And then he posted this. And then I think my response is in here.

Steve Hilton (56:28)

Why did he actually put what he's.

Tim Pool (56:31)

Just a drummer in a band that has like a moderate degree of notoriety. But I highlight him only because this is what these people do is liberals just.

Steve Hilton (56:42)

Did he completely make it up or did he misread the data.

Tim Pool (56:46)

So. So let me. Let me show you. I posted this. There is no evidence or record that Epstein gave money to Pam Bondi. He says, wait, I effed up. He was the second biggest donor. Good eyebrow. And he highlights this. From Open Secrets to Pam Bondi, Organization unavailable. For these records, 436,000. Here's my point. What that means, organization unavailable, is that it's aggregate data from various sources.

Steve Hilton (57:11)

Yes.

Tim Pool (57:12)

So there's. There's no singular group, and potentially, due to privacy laws, they don't know exactly where the individual donations are coming from. Because these people don't know anything, okay? They don't. They don't know anything about politics. Homie. Jess Margera says, why am I a better journalist? It's. He's afflicted by Dunning Kruger worse than I've ever seen. And so then I responded to him. I said, brother, please, the love of God, you are out of your depth. He's open secrets every day. Number two you're highlighting is an aggregate of anonymous data due to aggregation, limited information. You could argue. You think some of that seems there's no. There's no records. You're just making it up. I said, look, here's Desantis.

Steve Hilton (57:52)

I love it.

Tim Pool (57:52)

Did you know that DeSantis got $63.6 million from organization unavailable? I said, we got them, boys. Emily Randall of Washington got 214,000 from organization unavailable. I said, oh, my God, it keeps happening. Epstein is everywhere. Lisa Forbes, Appellate Court. You know, organization unavailable said, no, not Tony Evers, the Democratic Governor of Wisconsin. 1.1 million from organization unavailable. Here's my point.

Steve Hilton (58:17)

This is, by the way, nice job with that.

Tim Pool (58:20)

Oh, I mean, but. But I'm open secrets all the time. And so this is what's frustrating is what liberals are. This is why they vote socialist. Dude saw a meme somewhere, probably, that said organization unavailable. That's because it's Epstein. And then he went, yup. And then tweeted it out, like, why am I such a good journalist? And this is what all liberals are like, okay? I say all most. This guy's got 23,000 followers, okay? Not the biggest personality, but certainly not a nobody. And here he is, every day, he's posting insane, cultish psychobabble, and I'm like, my, dude, please, okay? I'm a fan of cky. I love the band. I even invited him to come jam, and I will just show you anything you want to ask about, and you're still allowed to hate Trump. But this is what I mean about liberals. This is like John Leguizamo saying there's no left in this country. They never even Google this stuff. And then they go around saying, I'm a better journalist than everyone else.

Brett Dasovic (59:16)

I think the best approach to that is if you don't have the time to like look into something, just assume it's fake because it's the Internet. Just assume it's fake. I saw something today that said like Cash Patel's girlfriend is a Mossad agent. I said, yeah, you know, maybe. I have no idea.

Tim Pool (59:30)

Wait, is that true? I have no idea. That proves it.

Brett Dasovic (59:33)

That's. It must be true. Why am I a better.

Tim Pool (59:35)

Why are they covering it up here? Yeah, right.

Phil Labonte (59:38)

Why are they covering up Cash?

Brett Dasovic (59:40)

Look, I, that's thing though. Like if you just go, if you're on the Internet, you should assume that 90% of what you're looking at is probably fake to raise their, you know.

Tim Pool (59:48)

You know my favorite Internet meme is on the Internet. No one knows you're 12. Yeah, there's a bunch of adult men on X right now furiously thumbing away on their phones being like, you're stupid, you like Trump, you're so dumb. And they don't realize they're talking to a 12 year old who's just going like beep, beep, beep.

Phil Labonte (60:10)

Yeah, you see that a lot. Especially when you, when the responses are, are, you know, ridiculous garbage like ad just pulled out of nowhere.

Tim Pool (60:20)

It's, it's 45 year old man, pro Trump arguing with a 13 year old democrat.

Phil Labonte (60:26)

Not even Democrat. Just, just anarchist.

Brett Dasovic (60:28)

Anarchist.

Tim Pool (60:29)

Just. No, not even. Just 13 year old wants to watch the world burn. Not even. They don't know enough about the world to want it to burn at all. They think it's funny because people are screaming on the Internet and they can't do anything about it. Which is going to make the future weird, mind you. Like this generation grows up on the Internet where they can say whatever they want to whoever they want. What's that going to be like?

Brett Dasovic (60:47)

Yeah, I mean most of the time when I'm scrolling through threads and I see two people like passionately arguing with each other, I'm like, don't they have things do.

Steve Hilton (60:54)

This is the thing. Sometimes I see, I sort of put out my P.O. you know, some policy thing or whatever and then you look a lot of. And they look at the replies and then it just goes on and on and they're having this endless debate to people I have no idea. And it's gone way off point from whatever the first thing Was.

Brett Dasovic (61:10)

Yes. It makes them feel.

Steve Hilton (61:11)

Accusing each other of being this or that. And exactly that's what I think. Like, what is this? What are you getting from this?

Brett Dasovic (61:17)

I suppose it gives them some sense of fulfillment to, to sit there and argue with another person. All that makes me feel like is like you're out in the middle of the ocean screaming at nothing. Which is a good reason not to do it. But people can't help themselves.

Tim Pool (61:30)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (61:31)

I mean, look, they're doing it because it makes them laugh. It's. I mean the. For the lulls is still just as, as meaningful and current as it was 20 years ago.

Brett Dasovic (61:42)

I'm not talking about the 13 year olds. I'm talking about the ads.

Tim Pool (61:44)

These are adult.

Brett Dasovic (61:44)

These adult grown people there. Yeah. Are the adults that sit there and.

Phil Labonte (61:47)

Passionately argue, argue with them. Yeah. Well, look, people, people are emotional.

Tim Pool (61:52)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (61:52)

And men are just as emotional as women. They're just emotional about different things. So they can. That's, that's what the Internet's for. It's for yelling at people, I guess. But I don't, I don't know that that's ever gonna change.

Brett Dasovic (62:05)

No, no, no. It's baked into the. To the way the Internet works.

Phil Labonte (62:08)

As long as there's Internet anonymity and there are people that take things seriously. Once those, you know, the paths cross of the. The s posters and the people that are very committed to whatever topic is being discussed. Look out.

Brett Dasovic (62:21)

See.

Tim Pool (62:21)

Apparently Ross Alerts posted that 845the house is set to vote. It's been confirmed. Couldn't confirm. He says the house is set to vote on a measure that would force the release of the Epstein files. It's probably Rocanas. And it's funny because when I, you know, what I do love about the Internet is that most people know that I post things sarcastically to make a point. But.

Phil Labonte (62:44)

Most people watching the show.

Tim Pool (62:46)

No, no, no. Most people watching this show.

Phil Labonte (62:49)

Fair enough.

Tim Pool (62:49)

Corporate press has no idea. So they've simultaneously written two stories at the exact same time. One is Tim Pool insanely defends Trump's cover up of the Epstein case while simultaneously other outlets are writing. You know, even Tim Pool is slamming Trump over Epstein because they can't understand sarcasm because they're one dimensional thinkers and they're probably NPCs.

Brett Dasovic (63:09)

And you shouldn't use tone indicators on the Internet. It's bad.

Steve Hilton (63:13)

I agree with that.

Brett Dasovic (63:14)

You should just allow people to not understand what you're saying.

Phil Labonte (63:18)

I mean, it's fun that way, I guess.

Steve Hilton (63:20)

By the way, can they Even do this. Like, what's a resolution going to do?

Phil Labonte (63:24)

Just so long as it's not classified material. I think that they can. They can at least pass the. Pass it and say, look, we tried, you know, maybe possibly it's cover for the midterms. Look, we passed legislation. We said that we wanted it left, you know, put out, and, you know, we don't have the ability to. To make him.

Tim Pool (63:42)

So apparently Ro Khanna said that he and Massie have the votes to force a vote. They just need to 18, he told me now. So. So what happened was Ro Khan, as an initial amendment would have forced the DOJ to publish graphic materials. It said any evidence must be made public in 30 days. And so immediately, at first, when I heard that Ro Khanna was saying we're going to vote on publishing the files, I was like, hey, let's go. I support this. The next morning, I was wondering why Republicans voted no. And I looked up the amendment and it said, any evidence must be published. I'm like, well, of course Republicans are gonna vote no on that. And so that's when I said, this would require the publishing of all the graphic child materials on the DOJ website. They can't do that. And all these libs started attacking me saying, you know, someone said spinning faster than F5 or whatever. And then Ro Khanna agreed with me, came on my show and said, we are not trying to do that. That our understanding is they wouldn't have to, but you're right, we're going to amend this and make sure that's very clear. And I said, oh, okay, great. You have my support. So all of these libs came out desperately to defend a bad amendment that we don't want passed while I'm saying we do want the files released. So I hope this is. They are going to put forward Ro Khanna and Massie. I hope they put this one forward and we get it. And you know what? If Trump's on it, then good, release it faster. I don't care. I am playing these games. Whatever this is, we need to put it. We need to put it to rest.

Brett Dasovic (65:05)

It's like when, like there's a couple years ago, what they put like something through that was like it was banning lynching and.

Tim Pool (65:12)

Right. And the.

Brett Dasovic (65:12)

And the. All of the Republicans voted no to the ban because there was a bunch of other stuff in the bill. Of course that was. That it was full of. That would have been bad for everybody. And they. They put no. But then a bunch of people are like, look at the Republicans say that they're okay with people being, oh, this.

Steve Hilton (65:27)

Is what they do. It's inferior. The California legislature, the Democrats, did something like this where they blocked a bill from a Republican that would have made trafficking kids for sex describe a serious and violent crime that would have automatic jail terms. They were embarrassed about the fact that they were on the wrong side of such an unbelievable issue. So then they put in an amendment that called for an investigation into it or something, and then they ran. And then, of course, the Republicans voted against that because they wanted the real crime. Then they ran ads against the Republicans saying, you are for child sex trafficking. It's literally the most cynical, disgusting thing I've ever seen. But this is the game that they.

Tim Pool (66:16)

Always remember that maybe we just need the United States as a republic to collapse, and then Trump to rise up as the emperor and just whip this country in shape and bring the glory of the American empire.

Phil Labonte (66:29)

I mean.

Tim Pool (66:32)

I say things like this, and then everyone laughs. And then some journalist somewhere like, there you are, and their feet goes again. There he goes again.

Phil Labonte (66:39)

I don't endorse, but I might not disavow.

Tim Pool (66:43)

You know, I will say how weird it is to, like. The way I talk on the show is largely how I talk to my friends. I'll make a joke and I'll say, like, maybe Trump just needs to arrest all the Democrats and then take the country over as an authoritarian dictatorship. And then everyone's like, okay, we get it to him. They roll their eyes. But corporate press are so stupid that they're like, whoa, that's not. Tim wants Trump to be a dictator. A lot of them, but I get it. Some of them malicious.

Brett Dasovic (67:06)

I. I would say like 80 evil. 20 stupid.

Tim Pool (67:10)

Stupid and evil. Why not both?

Phil Labonte (67:11)

Yeah, yeah.

Tim Pool (67:13)

How do you say, porque no los dose? Is that what it is? It's a taco meme. You guys remember that one? Remember a little girl?

Phil Labonte (67:22)

No, I don't.

Tim Pool (67:22)

You don't know the meme? No, it's like a little girl, and they're like, do you want soft shell, a hard shell? And she's like, why not both? Or something like that.

Phil Labonte (67:27)

And then became, oh, that's okay. Yes, right. Now I know it. Now I remember.

Tim Pool (67:34)

Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (67:34)

I don't know.

Tim Pool (67:34)

Okay, well, I. I hope they get to it. I guess we do. Got more news, my friends. Let's jump to the story from Eric Daugherty says update. A soft amnesty bill has been filed, and as support of several House Republicans, it would allow illegal aliens who crossed the border before 2021, a pathway to stay and work legally. They can get up to seven years of legal status with work authorization. They need to pay restitution and check in regularly with dhs. And the legal status could be renewed if there's good conduct. Take a look at this. A lot of Republicans are on board with this one. H HR 4393. Crazy things. There's no articles about it, nobody's writing about it, but it's, it's here. And, and, and they're, they're, they're calling it, there's articles that vaguely reference it, basically saying like a bipartisan immigration solution.

Phil Labonte (68:21)

It's a horrible idea.

Tim Pool (68:22)

Yep.

Steve Hilton (68:22)

I've got so much to say about this, but I think that, I mean, I've seen her talking about it, but maybe because they don't think it's got any chance of, I have no idea.

Tim Pool (68:32)

Well, let me, let me ask you about California. Right. Trump rated these pot farms.

Steve Hilton (68:35)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (68:36)

They found children on these farms.

Steve Hilton (68:38)

Child labor. Exactly. And now they've.

Tim Pool (68:40)

Slavery.

Steve Hilton (68:41)

Exactly. Trafficking.

Tim Pool (68:43)

Would you shut those farms down?

Steve Hilton (68:46)

You have to enforce the law. And this is the big point on all of this stuff in California is on so many issues, they just don't enforce the law. You've got, they pass all these laws. We've got way too many laws, but they never enforce them. And so you see that on crime, on retail, theft, all that stuff. Homelessness. Right. It's illegal to camp on the streets. And now with immigration, so, and this child let you know, not that long ago, Gavin Newsom was screaming one of his like, you know, trolling posts I saw at Republicans, I think, in another state who were talking about working class kids getting jobs in construction or whatever it is, work experience, you know, and like kids should get real work experience and apprenticeships and whatever. He, Gavin Newsom called it child labor. Republicans are now the party of child labor while it's going on in his state and now he's defending it.

Tim Pool (69:40)

I, I, I, we've, we talked quite a bit about this. These, these kids who are, they were illegal aliens. And so the question then is, do you think these underage miners, these miners came to the United States of their own volition?

Steve Hilton (69:52)

No, of course, no.

Tim Pool (69:54)

And do you think they chose to work on a marijuana farm?

Steve Hilton (69:56)

No, of course. The whole thing is, is so obscene that they're now taking that side just to get at Trump and pander to the base about, you know, fighting the fascist army and all this.

Tim Pool (70:09)

I, I covered during the drought in The, I think 10 years ago. Was actually, I covered the drought. I went and did a couple documentaries on the story. So many ducks. And I met with a bunch of farmers and I talked to them. Certainly not anyone was championing illegal immigration. Not that we met. However, there is a concern that many of these farms in California are employing illegal immigrant labor under the table. Do you think they're going to lobby against you and try and stop your bid?

Steve Hilton (70:36)

So I'm, I, I'm a huge supporter of the ag industry. The Democrats are trying to crush the ag industry. It's the biggest and greatest in the world. You know, we have so much of the world production of actually, by the way, healthy food, right? Not the stuff that, you know, high fructose corn syrup, cows, okay. I've got exactly like real good, you know, fruit, nuts, produce, all of that stuff. That's what we do in California. It's amazing. And the Democrats are crushing the industry by taking away the water and whatever. This point about the workers is really, really important to get, you know, get down. And the industry is a big supporter of mine. I've spent a lot of time in the Central Valley, the other parts of the state where we grow things. The argument is this industry cannot function without illegal immigrant labor. And it's true that you've got a high proportion of illegal immigrant labor and everyone knows it's going on. I talk to people who, you know, they send in the stuff to the Social Security department every year and every year it comes back, These are fake IDs. Nothing happens. It's all just part of this total collapsed trust in the system. Everyone knows it's not working, but no one wants to do anything about it. But here's the big thing no one is talking about. As well as having a high proportion of illegal immigrant labor in the farming industry, we've got millions of people in California, Californians, citizens who are not working. Right. If you look at the labor force participation rate in California, it's historically low. I just ran the numbers. It's hard to be precise, but roughly two and a half million to three million people in California, adults working age, adults are not working. They're on welfare. We're paying them not to work. You talk about dairy. I was just in a dairy farm the other week. You've got the guys there working in the dairy, not well paid, but you know, full time job, working hard. They all tell me their girlfriends get paid more than they do for not working. And they're still their girlfriends. So they're not going to get married because then they Lose some of their money. So you've got. You're getting paid more for not working than actually doing these ag jobs.

Tim Pool (72:44)

I think this is a great thing to point out, too, that it is good, healthy food out of California. Like I was saying, the.

Steve Hilton (72:49)

The.

Tim Pool (72:49)

The. The dairy farms. I was actually surprised, based on all of the leftist propaganda about dairy, to see how the dairy farms operate in California.

Steve Hilton (72:58)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (72:58)

And it's one of my favorite stories. I went to a farm. We were interviewing people about the water because they were drilling tens of thousands of feet into the ground for groundwater.

Steve Hilton (73:05)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (73:06)

And we just, like, knocked on some guy's door, and he came out, and we were like, hey, we're some journalists. We're. We're doing a story on the drought and the groundwater drilling. We're wondering if you want to tell us your thoughts. He's like, oh, yeah, for sure. Interviewed him. It was very enlightening. Afterwards, I noticed that his dairy farm had no fences, and the cows were all there just eating grain or whatever. And then I was like, hey, I got a question. Like, you've got no fences on your property, right? And he's like, like, yeah. No. And I was like, but you got all these cows. You have, like, hundreds of cows. He's like, oh, yeah. And I was like, aren't you worried they'll leave? And he just goes, where would they go? And I was like, I don't know. Like, they're gonna wander off. And he's like, where? He's like, I don't know what you mean. There's water and there's food. Ain't going nowhere. Yeah. I was like, I never thought of that. He's like, yeah, till the cows come home. And then I was like, oh, well. And the milking machines are automatic. Yeah. It was like, the cows want to be milked because it hurts.

Steve Hilton (73:59)

It's less pain. It's painful.

Tim Pool (74:00)

Yeah. They walk into the machines.

Steve Hilton (74:01)

Also, they get showers when it's hot. I mean, they really. Look, the idea that farmers don't want to treat their animals well, it's just ridiculous. But the thing I just want to say on the workers is very. Is a very simple point. Right before we start importing illegal workers, why don't we get the people who are there, Americans, Californians. In my case, that's what I'm focused on. Who could be working but are not working, and we're paying them not to work. Why don't we start with trying to get them working before we declare a labor shortage?

Tim Pool (74:34)

Yeah, that's.

Steve Hilton (74:35)

I Think the central bit of this that isn't being addressed, we are paying people not to work.

Phil Labonte (74:41)

So I mean back to this amnesty bill. I think that this is actually more dangerous for the Republicans and for, for MAGA than Epstein and Epstein, to be honest with you, as much as Epstein is a, a real significant problem and needs to be addressed. If they pass amnesty. Considering how many Americans voted based on deporting illegals, if they pass an amnesty, I think that'll do it do in the Republicans and the fact that it's apparently been sponsored by a Republican.

Steve Hilton (75:15)

Yeah, I mean, look, another thing, I'll just say on this, I mean, because I've spent a lot of time on it. I'm a legal immigrant. We've been here since 2012, became a citizen in 2021. But I'm on the road the whole time in California. I spent a lot of time with legal immigrants. Latinos in east la, a lot of time there. That's the biggest county in the country. It's a huge part of how I see the path to victory. Working class Latinos in California, Latinos largest group now, they are fed up with what's going on. And you, you sit down. I've done it. You can people watch the video. I put everything on video for my campaign. You can see it at Steve Hilton X. The way that legal immigrants talk about this issue is as hardcore as you'd get from Stephen Miller. And it's we came here the right way. We spent whatever, you know, this many years going through the system, doing the bureaucracy, paying our taxes.

Tim Pool (76:10)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (76:11)

Being above board. And now you have these people and they see them in the grocery store with, you know, EBT cards. There's what, free cell phones, housing vouchers.

Phil Labonte (76:21)

Better. No, it would be better to leave them alone and not pass this bill than to pass this bill. It's better to have illegals in the country that don't have amnesty, that could get picked up for moving violations, for whatever what have you than to actually pass an amnesty bill. This is the worst possible.

Steve Hilton (76:43)

It's just reinforcing this totally, you know, collapsed faith in the system. Like, yeah, we agree, we, we're just going to tolerate law breaking on a massive scale. We're giving up as a country any kind of attempt to have order in the system and we're just going to go with the flow. And the impressive thing about Trump and is is he's addressing some of these things that have been left to fester for so long and you've got like, it's Just, you've got to have a system where you actually believe in it and enforce the law. And actually, one of the things I think is just very clear and impressive about what they're doing. You see these. I mean, in California, they're on radio and TV the whole time. These ads, Christine Ohm, saying illegal immigrants, you know, we're gonna help you get back to your home. Here's a thousand dollars. And if you do that, you can come back in the right way. But if you don't and we remove you, you're never coming back to the house.

Tim Pool (77:47)

I think, I think it's a trick. I don't believe the DHS for a second. Just, just go home for now. Refile as you come back. No, once you're out the door, they lock it.

Steve Hilton (77:55)

I'm pro immigration, right. I'm. I'm an immigrant. I'm an immigrant twice over. My. You talk about communism, right? My, My parents are Hungarian.

Phil Labonte (78:03)

Oh, really? Yeah.

Steve Hilton (78:04)

Communism in Hungary. And so of course I'm pro immigration. I've benefited from it twice over. But. And I think Americans are, but they can't stand this chaos and disorder. And, and I. So I think that, to me that makes total sense. Right? So, I mean, go. Come back the right way. And then maybe there is, you know, look, if we have a booming economy and we have full employment and all those millions of people I talked about earlier, we do get them off welfare and into work, and we still have a labor shortage. Great, then let's do it.

Phil Labonte (78:32)

So I'm, I'm a little more hardline on, on immigration. I think immigration. We should stop immigration, all immigration for five years to a decade just because of the. How many people have immigrated here. And if this were to pass, if that, that bill were to pass, then absolutely, you must stop all immigration. No one comes anywhere at all.

Steve Hilton (78:51)

If you look at the pressure on housing, on, you know. You know, and again, it's the poorest communities that, that lose out, right? Immigrant communities. Right. Where the public schools are just completely overwhelmed. You know, the, the health system, housing I mentioned, you know, these are, these are. We. We. We aren't at. We're not keeping up the provision of infrastructure and services and whatever with the numbers of people. That is true.

Phil Labonte (79:15)

Yeah. And it's also, in my opinion, it's also a matter of assimilation. You have, We've had real significant problems with the way that, with, with what children are taught and young people. Part of the reason why young people feel the way they do about the United States is because of the teachers and because of the curriculum in the schools, we have to, we have to manage to change the curriculums in the schools of education. Take all the Marxist garbage. Get rid of all the, the colonial theory. Get rid of Franz Fanon. Get rid of what's his name, I want to say Ferrari, Palo Frery. Take. Get rid of all of pedagogy of the oppressed and all that crap. Get all that garbage out. Teach children in that, that in a way that is not ideologically motivated. So that way you have a gener. You stop creating generations of children that hate America.

Tim Pool (80:08)

I want to pull up this clip from the ESPYs. Ladies and gentlemen. This is Shane Gillis. Check this joke out.

Phil Labonte (80:14)

Donald Trump wants to stage a UFC fight on the White House lawn. The last time he staged a fight in D.C. mike Pence almost died. All right, you don't have to do that.

Tim Pool (80:29)

It was fine. I didn't write it.

Phil Labonte (80:32)

Actually.

Tim Pool (80:32)

There was supposed to be an Epstein joke here, but as it got deleted, must have probably deleted itself, right?

Phil Labonte (80:44)

Probably never existed. Actually.

Tim Pool (80:45)

Let's move on as a country and ignore that the New York this is a country and move on. This is live on abc. This is an Epstein joke. Good. And everyone's laughing. There's no getting away from this.

Steve Hilton (81:01)

Yeah, that's a good, that's a good thing to have played. That's right.

Tim Pool (81:04)

I do want to at least add this as an aside before we talk a bit more about it. Here you go.

Phil Labonte (81:08)

From the wnb. When Caitlin Clark retires from the wnba, she's going to work at a Waffle House so she can continue doing what she loves most, fist fighting black women. When Caitlin.

Tim Pool (81:24)

Anyway, Shane Gillis is amazing. And to think they tried canceling him. They did cancel him, but, you know, here he is on ABC Live dropping this joke about Epstein. Maybe deleted himself. Maybe it never existed as a country. We just move on and act like it never happened. There's. There's no getting away from this. So I don't know what the strategy is going to be on the Trump admin side, but this is, this is shout out to Shane Gillis. Funny.

Brett Dasovic (81:48)

I mean, every time one of these controversies come up, I remember like the H1B visa controversy came up and everybody was arguing about that. That felt very terminally online. Whereas something like this is as mainstream as it gets and you can't get.

Phil Labonte (82:00)

Away from it thanks to the podcast circuit. Basically. You know, these, these topics are talked about on Joe Rogan, and Joe Rogan still gets millions and millions of views they're talked about, you know, throughout. Just like the Andrew Schultz stuff. You know, he was talking about it as well. These things are. Are more than just talking about crimes or whatever. They're part of the. Part of pop culture now. So, you know, not for. For good or ill, but I mean, look, man, I like Shane Gillis's jokes. He's funny. He's always been funny, in my opinion.

Steve Hilton (82:33)

But is.

Tim Pool (82:34)

Is there something in this with Shane Gillis? Like, they fired him from snl, right? Because, like, didn't he do, like, an Asian accent or something?

Brett Dasovic (82:39)

Yeah, hired. And then they, like. I thought it was. He said something untoward. I don't remember what it was. It's like 2022, right?

Tim Pool (82:46)

Like. Oh, I think it was way before then. Basically, he made a joke. The guy was coming up after him was offended by the joke because it was about.

Brett Dasovic (82:53)

So he got hired. And then before he even appeared, they. They.

Tim Pool (82:56)

Yeah, 2019.

Brett Dasovic (82:58)

Okay, 2019. And then he. He got his revenge by getting to eventually come and host the show after they.

Tim Pool (83:04)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said. What did he. What did he. He. He. He disparaged Asians of some in some way. I don't know.

Brett Dasovic (83:09)

2019 was a dark time for comedy.

Tim Pool (83:12)

It was. It was a dark time for existing. Geez. Like the. The cancel culture. That wasn't. But. But it. This is a tremendous sign of victory in the culture war and that he is now hosting abc.

Steve Hilton (83:21)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (83:22)

Live, and he's making jokes about Epstein. You know what I think is really crazy is I'm imagining Mike Cernovich files this lawsuit to get some of the Epstein stuff released from this defamation case. And it was a conspiracy theory at the time. Alex Jones had talked about Epstein for years, and they told him he was nuts. And now on stage, mainstream television, it is a joke. We know it's true. I mean, I mean, we're winning, huh?

Phil Labonte (83:48)

Yeah, it does. It does show how the culture has moved. I do feel like there are a lot more people that are just comfortable saying things as opposed to people that have different opinions. Right. Like, so I don't think there's been a lot of. There's. There are some people that are like, okay, the woke stuff has gone too far for me. But I feel like mostly it's people that would have said this stuff ten years ago, seven years ago, but they were afraid. And now other people have kind of broken down that. That barrier and said, look, you can say this stuff without getting. Getting a cost on the Internet anymore.

Brett Dasovic (84:22)

And so now, I mean, you're never gonna get away from that. Like, that's like people, people think that they're. We're gonna go back to a time that never existed, which is the age of ultra connectedness with your phone and being able to say whatever you want. You could say whatever you want when you had a friend, group of people who believe things the way you did, who gave you the benefit of the doubt because they know you're a good person. Let's hope you're a good person. It was never a time, you know, as soon as you got your phone in your pocket was like 2012, 2013. It only took a couple of years. For the people who use their ability to be offended as like a power to kind of silence people, that's never going to go away. You've just been able to minimize it by people just having less power over them by saying, I don't care.

Phil Labonte (85:02)

Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (85:02)

It just took time. It was like a callus that had to kind of callous people.

Steve Hilton (85:07)

But it's a real, I mean, a massive change for the better in the last few years.

Phil Labonte (85:10)

I agree.

Steve Hilton (85:10)

And it's actually not. I mean, it's Trump's victory, I think, has really turbocharged it.

Phil Labonte (85:16)

Well, I think the victory in 2020 turbocharged or in 24 turbocharged it. But I think that part of the reason why it got so intense in the first place was because Donald Trump got elected and the left was just like, oh, my goodness.

Tim Pool (85:30)

I just, I disagree. I think when I was, when I was covering Trump's campaign in 2015, what I heard mostly from young people was the reason I like Trump was because he was fighting political correctness. Yeah. The concern was wokeness and cancel culture had already gotten to a point. And I think Trump is an avatar of a lot of the outrage from people, those who were sick of political correctness, those who are sick of the establishment elites gutting their, you know, their, their, their livelihoods and things like that. And Trump represented a lot of what Bernie did in this populist outrage, but at least he had some strength behind what he was, what he's on.

Steve Hilton (86:05)

It's interesting. I mean, I always think we forget that in that first Republican debate where Trump kind of completely crushed everyone. And there's that first question from Megyn Kelly about how he used to speak about women. And everyone remembers the jokey answer he gives about Rosie o'. Donnell.

Phil Labonte (86:21)

Only Rosie o'.

Tim Pool (86:22)

Donnell.

Steve Hilton (86:23)

Right. But then actually, if you listen to the rest of his answer, it's really thoughtful and specifically talks about political correctness and how it's gone too far, and it means that we're not telling the truth about things, and I want to change. It's like a really good answer on why political correctness is wrong.

Tim Pool (86:41)

Yeah, indeed. We've come a long way, though. Shane Gillis not only is back, he's like, the biggest. It's crazy. He's like the guy that's wild.

Brett Dasovic (86:51)

Did he bring Bud Light back from the brink? I don't know.

Tim Pool (86:54)

Well, no, but he tried.

Brett Dasovic (86:56)

Tried. I'm sure they backed up the money trunk to him.

Tim Pool (87:00)

Hey, good for him, man. You know? Listen, people on the Bud Light thing were willing to sacrifice UFC over it. Not everybody. I'm just saying, like, when UFC to the sponsorship, Dana White's like, I'm getting a bucket of money. And I'm like, isn't this what we want them to do? To beg for our forgiveness and dump hundreds of millions of dollars into things we like? Dude. UFC fighters, about as base as they come. So I was happy to see it. Shane Gillis, the cancel comedian, getting. Doing Bud Light commercials. I'm never going to drink that piss water, you know, but good. Take their money.

Brett Dasovic (87:31)

I mean, that's the idea, like, in capitalism, is that you tell them what you want, and if you, you know, stop purchasing their product for whatever reason, that gets them to supposedly change their behavior.

Tim Pool (87:42)

Indeed. They've never recovered, though. No, no. To be fair, I'm pretty sure Bud Light still is like, I don't think it's a top beer anymore. I don't know what ranks anymore, but it used to be number one. It was like the. The beer. Now it's like number 10 or something, which is wild.

Phil Labonte (87:58)

They lost a lot of market share. And again, it. Part of the reason why is because it's so easy to go with something else. Like if you're going to the bar, if you're walking up to the bar and you're like, oh, can I get a Bug, a Coors Light? You know, it's so easy.

Tim Pool (88:11)

It's so awfully.

Phil Labonte (88:12)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (88:12)

Permanently part of the brand.

Phil Labonte (88:14)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (88:14)

Like, you know, so a couple.

Steve Hilton (88:16)

Whatever they've done to try and clean it up, the brand association is the woke stuff.

Tim Pool (88:21)

I like Blue Moon. I like Yingling. If I go and I have a beer, which is extremely rare and usually doesn't happen, but if I do, I know that I want. If I'm on the east coast and get a Yingling, I'm getting a Yingling. There's no substitute. There's like, I. I love that one. And Blue moon. If I can't get any ling. The blue moon's good, but there's not much else I'd want to drink. Bud Light. It's like shuffle them in a bag, shake them up and tell me. I don't. I don't know which one's different. It's. It's all piss water.

Brett Dasovic (88:46)

Until Aunt Jemima's back on the bottle, I will not acknowledge the culture that we.

Tim Pool (88:50)

Can we just take Aunt Jemima? I mean, like, they abandoned the logo, didn't they?

Brett Dasovic (88:56)

I'm assuming they held on to the copyright.

Tim Pool (88:58)

Why though? Maybe. Look, see this behind me? This. This image of, you know, the Tim Cass skate company and that image used to be associated with a company called Independent Skate Trucks. It was an iconic skate image for 50 plus years. And then they got accused of being racist because it looks like an iron cross. It's not. It's like a Maltese cross or something. It's a cross. And so they removed it from all of their products on their website and abandoned the logo. And I immediately took it. It's mine now and I've had that board there for years, no joke. And we sell boards with that logo on it. And that's. That's what. Hey, that, that image people have tattooed on their chest. It's orange, mine's blue. But they tattooed it. So maybe we just need to take Aunt Jemima, just do it. And then again. And then if they sue us, I'll be like, can you get. They have asserted the right. How about we make a.

Steve Hilton (89:48)

Not just Ben's, isn't it?

Brett Dasovic (89:49)

Yeah. Can you get Uncle Ben's too?

Tim Pool (89:51)

Why don't we sell maple flavored stir fried rice called Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemimas?

Phil Labonte (89:57)

I think that if you got the.

Tim Pool (89:59)

Bottle, we make them a couple copyright.

Phil Labonte (90:01)

Cousin T. You could definitely. Exactly. You could get Cousin T to actually ship a bottle with every box of Cousin T. That sounds like a good idea.

Tim Pool (90:11)

Ship a box of what?

Phil Labonte (90:12)

Ship a box of Cousin. Anytime he sells a box of Cousin teas Pancake mix.

Tim Pool (90:15)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (90:16)

Comes with a. A small bottle of the sell syrup though.

Tim Pool (90:19)

He's got Cousin T syrup, does he? That's why I was confused. I was like, what do you. What do you mean?

Phil Labonte (90:22)

I didn't know that he's.

Tim Pool (90:23)

I have like 12 bottles of that stuff. Okay. I do.

Phil Labonte (90:27)

Well, they're good.

Tim Pool (90:29)

I. I've got like five. He's got all these different. Cousin Tease is fantastic. We've got like cinnamon bun. I think we've got protein. There's a gluten free ones made out of rice. We got a bunch of it.

Brett Dasovic (90:40)

It was a dark time. Then they took the land o Lakes lady off too. I kept the land.

Phil Labonte (90:45)

Look.

Brett Dasovic (90:45)

And kept the land.

Phil Labonte (90:46)

PoC representation is entirely gone. In the grocery store, Chef Barti is still there.

Tim Pool (90:52)

Quaker Oats guy is still there.

Phil Labonte (90:54)

White guys.

Tim Pool (90:54)

White guys.

Phil Labonte (90:55)

Even the Italian Mr. Clean's still there. White guys.

Tim Pool (90:58)

Yep. They removed all the mic. Yeah. They removed all the minorities. The Taco Bell duck, gone.

Brett Dasovic (91:05)

Yeah. I think him leaving predates all this.

Tim Pool (91:10)

I know. If I'm being honest, no Mexican dog selling tacos. We can't have it. Especially not those Americos that Taco Bell says that's not Mexican food. I heard a story that Taco Bell.

Brett Dasovic (91:19)

Tried Taco Bell slander.

Tim Pool (91:21)

Taco Bell tried opening restaurants in Mexico and they marketed as American food and nobody wanted it.

Steve Hilton (91:26)

Is that right?

Tim Pool (91:27)

I mean, that's what I was told, you know, so it was on the Internet. Must be true.

Steve Hilton (91:30)

Exactly.

Phil Labonte (91:30)

I don't care what anyone says. Taco Bell is American food. It is not Mexican food.

Tim Pool (91:34)

It's not cheddar cheese, hard shell tacos. That's America and it's the. And come on, is. Is there no more sign of the end of days than the Doritos Locos taco?

Brett Dasovic (91:45)

Every time you order them, I take five and I'm like putting my bed.

Tim Pool (91:48)

We order them. We do the cheesy gordita crunch with the nacho cheese. I'm just like, we're done.

Brett Dasovic (91:55)

You're speaking my language, man.

Tim Pool (91:56)

Imagine going back to like the king of France, you know, king Whoever, in the 1500s and being like, this is food. He takes one bite and he's like, they're not.

Phil Labonte (92:07)

They're not.

Tim Pool (92:07)

Most delicious thing he would ever taste.

Phil Labonte (92:09)

They're not ready for that intense flavor.

Brett Dasovic (92:11)

No.

Phil Labonte (92:11)

You can't imagine it.

Tim Pool (92:12)

It is kind of funny that they.

Phil Labonte (92:14)

Fought wars over pepper, dude.

Tim Pool (92:16)

Yeah. It's estimated like between 50 and 60,000 people died fighting for peppercorn from India. And it's just like we have it sitting on our tables. We don't even use it. I just. I would love. I would love this to see it. However, it's not possible. But. However, a medieval European king tasting Taco Bell and then me being like, it takes almost no. No money. The poorest people have it and you can have it whenever you want, anytime. They'd be like my.

Brett Dasovic (92:44)

I mean, I might go to go to war for Old Bay.

Tim Pool (92:48)

Old Bay's good.

Phil Labonte (92:49)

Yeah, yeah, like that.

Tim Pool (92:51)

I was I was having Shout out to Mother Shuckers in Martinsburg. You guys should definitely go check them out.

Phil Labonte (92:56)

Mother Shuckers.

Tim Pool (92:57)

Mother Shuckers. It's a seafood place in Martinsburg, West Virginia. And right when you walk up, you know the first thing you see on the doors. Big fjb. I know it's not as relevant today. And a Trump flag. And then there's a. It's very, very pro Trump. So I'm like. Like, if you're. If you want to support a business. But they have Gold Bay. And I was like, what's Gold Bay? And they were like, honey and Old Bay.

Steve Hilton (93:17)

Okay.

Tim Pool (93:18)

And I was like, that sounds awesome.

Phil Labonte (93:20)

Just sent gold.

Tim Pool (93:21)

You're gonna go there?

Phil Labonte (93:22)

Link to my girlfriend. I'm like, we're going.

Tim Pool (93:24)

Apparently I'd mentioned them on the show like a year or so ago or something. I can't remember when. Is that when you went? And then they told me, they're like, hey, by the way, like, tons of people came in saying that you recommended them. And I was like, oh, it's great. I. I went. We went there today and I had scallops and chicken wings. Where can you get both at the same time? Right? Ready to work. He's. I was trying to find a way to squeeze in shouting them out, and I did. He mentioned old man. I was like, I got you, but they were super nice to me. So I said I'd shout them out. And you know, they're great. So. And they're super close, so we'll probably end up eating there a lot. Let's. We're gonna go to your chats and rumble rants. So smash the like button. Share the show with literally everyone you know. When you go to Mother Shuckers and you're buying those delicious chicken wings, tell them. Are. Are you guys gonna put Tim Cast IRL up on the TV at night? Come on. What are you guys doing? He shouted you out. Everybody you know, even people you just met. But we're that. We're have that uncensored members only show coming up@rumble.com Tim Cast IRL. But for now, we'll just grab your chats and have you guys joined the conversation. Shane H. Wilder, always with the first rant. He says, someone told me Trump is just playing 40 chess with the Epstein list. Look, I like Trump and voted for him three times, but this is idiotic and destroying the base. Just be blunt and say what's going on. Agreed.

Brett Dasovic (94:36)

And with this many days in a row, it'd be like 90 chess by now we wouldn't even be on 4D chess anymore.

Tim Pool (94:42)

9Th dimensional. He's, he's veering off into the multiverse. Yeah.

Phil Labonte (94:46)

The way that it goes.

Tim Pool (94:48)

All right, Bill Dozer says the limited prosecutions were the COVID ups. Independents like myself are not happy with the approach from Trump and that's why they're playing a dangerous game. When Trump is basically like, or, or, you know, Mike Davis says, go ahead and don't vote. Well, you'll see what we can. Yeah, yeah. A bunch of moderates are going to be like, okay. And then you're going to end up losing an election.

Steve Hilton (95:07)

Exactly.

Tim Pool (95:07)

That's not okay.

Brett Dasovic (95:08)

It's like the people do it for me.

Tim Pool (95:11)

It's like the California.

Brett Dasovic (95:13)

It's like the artists who say, you don't like my politics, don't buy my work. Like, okay, like I'm looking for any excuse not to buy your crap. Like you're like a, like an artist or like somebody who's selling you a product. A politician should be constantly trying to.

Phil Labonte (95:26)

Win your business, you know, so like my politics will go look at the politics of someone else and all that remains and you'll probably find someone you like.

Steve Hilton (95:32)

So has JD said any, anything about it?

Tim Pool (95:35)

I don't think so.

Steve Hilton (95:35)

Thinking about 28 and all of that movement.

Tim Pool (95:39)

So Nintendo announced the cast of the live action Zelda movie for which the biggest problem is Link never speaks. So they needed a, they need to find a young man to play the role of Lane who can go, yeah, wow. And that's it.

Brett Dasovic (95:51)

They'll probably pipe the, the audio in after the fact. He's right.

Tim Pool (95:54)

Yeah, just. He says nothing. But the funny thing is the top trending store at the time was Hunter Schaefer, a trans woman. Because all, all the WOKE activists wanted this person to play Zelda and they were trying to make it happen. The reason I bring this up is, you know, my attitude on all this stuff is I don't care if, if they said they wanted a Hunter Schaefer, a man to play the titular female character of the series, I would say, oh, okay, I'm not gonna go see it. I don't. Whatever, like do whatever you want to do. I don't care.

Brett Dasovic (96:24)

Nintendo wants to make money. This was never going to happen.

Tim Pool (96:27)

And so it didn't end up being jacked black people. There were some really funny posts where they were like, the Legend of Zelda with Scarlett Johansson as Zelda. Pedro Pascal is Link. I had Jack Black as Ganondorf.

Brett Dasovic (96:39)

I'd like a top five of like, the worst combinations is like Chris Pratt and Millie Bobby Brown and Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey. Years ago, that's what you would have gotten.

Tim Pool (96:49)

Anyway, my point was when, when these Trump people are saying, go ahead, don't vote, see if we care. There's a lot of people being like, okay, yeah, like, right on. Do your thing, Trump. Say whatever you want. I'm not going to vote for it. I'm not going to buy it. You know what I mean? To be fair, I invoke Democrats, so.

Phil Labonte (97:07)

That'S not going to happen. Yeah, I can't. I could never vote for Democrats. So for me, it'd be either just don't vote or. Well, yeah, it'd be either. It'd be just don't vote.

Tim Pool (97:17)

So I'm. I hope Ro Khanna and Massey get this through. I think that'd be fantastic. So long as they've, they've corrected it. I appreciate that Ro Khanna was bringing it up. I think it's a good thing. Not that I trust Democrats. Right.

Steve Hilton (97:29)

But he's, I know him. He's. He's a good guy. I'm glad he engaged with you and did something, you know, and it worked and he changed.

Tim Pool (97:36)

Yeah, yeah, he's. We had him on the show. He's, he's sincere. And I think he might be the only sincere Democrat.

Phil Labonte (97:43)

I mean, anybody.

Tim Pool (97:44)

Any names? I'm hoping.

Steve Hilton (97:46)

I. Look, I know him. I like him. I agree with.

Tim Pool (97:49)

Yeah, Torres.

Phil Labonte (97:51)

I think it's sincere. Richie Torres.

Tim Pool (97:53)

Okay.

Phil Labonte (97:54)

Yeah, he's, he's one of the, he was one of the first people, one of the first Democrats after the election to say, look, we got to stop this woke stuff.

Steve Hilton (98:00)

You know, the thing about Ronna, by the way, it's really interesting and it's so separates him, is that even when he's criticizing Trump or the Republican Party or any of anything, he never does it in a bad faith kind of way. Where he's demeaning Trump or his supporters is always respectful, tactile Trump supporters. Always. It's interesting.

Tim Pool (98:19)

Yeah, yeah. You know, gets it. Who gets a bad rap? Adam Schiff.

Phil Labonte (98:25)

He also. Is he getting indicted?

Tim Pool (98:28)

And he also, he deserves it.

Steve Hilton (98:29)

Yeah, exactly.

Tim Pool (98:31)

You know, let me finish. Is he get.

Phil Labonte (98:33)

He's, he's just being investigated right now. They haven't, they haven't actually indicted him yet.

Tim Pool (98:36)

I mean, he was, he, he was listing Maryland as his primary residence while repping California. Yeah. And his. And his kids were going to school in Maryland. Like, come on, dude, you're not, you know that this is probably why he's like, trump better get impeached because he'll actually come after me. So whatever, man. He should be charged for that stuff. All right, let's go. Fem says baseball signs. Tap right forearm, bring in the righty, bring in Gates.

Phil Labonte (99:05)

Yeah, I don't. I don't imagine that Gates would have a. An easier time getting confirmed by the Senate.

Tim Pool (99:11)

How do we make baseball more popular?

Phil Labonte (99:13)

I don't know, but it's great.

Brett Dasovic (99:14)

Baseball movies.

Steve Hilton (99:16)

Is it not popular?

Tim Pool (99:18)

It's not as popular as it was.

Brett Dasovic (99:20)

They were just talking about how, like, all the pitchers are turning down the All Star game because they only get, like a couple days off, so they don't even want to do it anymore because it's. They want the four days rest instead of pitching during the game.

Phil Labonte (99:31)

It's a shame, man.

Tim Pool (99:32)

We gotta make baseball great again.

Brett Dasovic (99:33)

Yeah, Baseball's so fun. The number one sign of cultural decline that I've seen is, like, driving by our baseball fields. You were talking, it's cricket by us. I'm like, we love the terrorists won.

Tim Pool (99:44)

Cricket. Cricket this.

Steve Hilton (99:47)

Don't blame me.

Brett Dasovic (99:47)

I know what a crumpet is to understand Hungarian.

Steve Hilton (99:50)

Okay? You don't lay the England thing on me.

Tim Pool (99:52)

England thing? Cricket. Wasn't there some story recently where, like, a dude died playing cricket? Hit in. In the UK or something?

Phil Labonte (100:00)

Get hit with a bat?

Tim Pool (100:01)

Was it with the ball? I think. Is that what it was?

Brett Dasovic (100:04)

No air conditioning.

Tim Pool (100:05)

No air conditioning.

Phil Labonte (100:08)

He died on the way to the hospital.

Tim Pool (100:10)

Okay. Yeah. What's up? What's up with the UK and no air conditioning?

Steve Hilton (100:13)

No.

Tim Pool (100:14)

No.

Steve Hilton (100:14)

It's insane. I was just there actually, and it's. It was so hot. And that was literally what we were, all of us who came from. It was like a friend's big kind of anniversary birthday party that everyone who came from America's like, that was the question. Like, what is going on? The airport. You arrive at the airport, it's unbelievably hot inside.

Tim Pool (100:33)

The airport?

Steve Hilton (100:33)

Yes.

Tim Pool (100:33)

Why?

Phil Labonte (100:34)

Crazy.

Steve Hilton (100:35)

Because there's no air conditioning.

Brett Dasovic (100:37)

I suffer.

Tim Pool (100:38)

I was invited to speak at an event in the UK and they booked me a hotel and it was like an inn. So it was a three story building and my room was the third story. Yeah. And it was. It was literally, I'm not kidding, 102, maybe 100 degrees. And I went in the room and I was like, gonna throw up from the heat and humidity, and so I went to the desk and I was like, I'm sorry, I have. I have to go to sleep right now. It was like seven o'. Clock. I was like, I'm speaking at an event. It's. It's got to be at least 100 something degrees upstairs. And they were like a hundred. And I was like, I have no idea what the equivalent is in. In London speak. Yeah. And I was like, it's just unbearably hot. And they're like, okay, we'll see what we can do. We'll find a fan or something for you.

Steve Hilton (101:16)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (101:17)

And then I was like, while they're doing that, I'm gonna take a lukewarm bath. The only problem is there's two faucets, not one. And so one's hot, scalding, boiling water pouring out and one's ice cold. And then I'm like, how do I figure out if it's gonna be the right. I'm going like this back and forth. I didn't know that. And so I just turned them both on full blast. And then when I went over and touched it, I swear it was boiling. And I was like, this country. This country is backwards.

Steve Hilton (101:44)

Well, now you know why I left and moved to America. But okay, I was just back there. We had exactly the same experience. Not the bar thing, but like, it was in the room. We had. This is just now, just this weekend. And my wife and I were like, what. What is this? It's. And there's the tiny little fan that we found, like, hidden away in one of the cupboards. And like, just really weak and pathetic fan.

Phil Labonte (102:05)

My biggest pet peeve.

Steve Hilton (102:07)

Just so bad.

Phil Labonte (102:08)

My biggest pet peeve about the UK is, is when you're on tour in a band, the buses don't have generators on them, so you have to plug in. So if you can't find a place to park up for the day off, and it's in the summer, there's no air conditioning on your bus. And then you're sleeping on a bus with, you know, 10 other dudes and all you smell is feet and breath and farts. Hot feet and breath and fart.

Brett Dasovic (102:31)

The air was out in the PCC studio yesterday. It was like. It was like an hour and 45. Yeah. Over. Over there in like an hour and 45 minutes in. Mary's like, like, sent me a message on slack. It's like, can we call it like I'm dying?

Tim Pool (102:43)

What had. Did they get it fixed?

Brett Dasovic (102:44)

They fixed it.

Tim Pool (102:45)

The. Our. Our AC in the. So we have a massive AC unit for the big space. It's hard to. It. It was blowing hot air and I was. I was Skating. I was like, why am I hot? And I felt it and it was. And I'm like, oh, come on, guys. You know, someone's got to come in and fix the ac. We're Americans here, man. Oh, capitalist Americans who like cold air.

Phil Labonte (103:01)

That's right.

Brett Dasovic (103:02)

Apparently it was because we have the soundproofing in there, and it's trapping all the air and, like, it's not making it in there. So the.

Tim Pool (103:07)

It was your fault. Fault.

Brett Dasovic (103:08)

It was our fault. So now we have to, like. We have to take the soundproofing down at night for the entrances.

Tim Pool (103:14)

The. You can't just prop it up with a chair or something.

Brett Dasovic (103:16)

Well, no, because they're. They're hanging. So we have to take them down off the wall. The ones that are. Because they're at the bottom. Yeah, they just clip on.

Tim Pool (103:22)

Oh, okay. That's not so bad. All right, let's see. RMX says Gen Z can't afford a house. They were fed chemicals as kids. They most likely have chronic illness and come from a divorced home. Accountability is key, but Epstein isn't solving those issues. And I do agree with that. Just the Trump camp needs to articulate that better. Seriously, if they came out and if Bongino came out on day one, getting in, walked outside to the podium and said, I know everybody wanted Epstein files. We don't got them. I don't have a good answer for you. I'm sorry. But let's not get bogged down and try and focus on how we can improve the lives of the American people. Gen Z, you know, fix this country, secure our borders. If they actually leveled with people and it's. And it felt authentic, I think they'd be way more forgiving. Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (104:06)

One of the. One of the things they're talking about is trust in government. So it's kind of an indicator of trust in government. And if there is no trust there.

Steve Hilton (104:13)

Yeah, exactly. Right, exactly. You were told, you work hard, you do all these things, you're going to get a good life. Owner. It's all.

Tim Pool (104:19)

I got an. I got an idea. Not that I have a. I have a PR strategy campaign that is better than what they've done so far. So what they do is Dan Bongino calls a press conference and he says, they didn't want me to release this, but I have the Epstein files, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna release them. And then he stands at a podium and he's got all the press there, and he's like, I would never let you down. Let you guys down. And I talk with the President, and the files are right as. As it lifts him up, a guy in a burglar outfit runs up and a cape and grabs it and then runs. Dan chases after him. And then while they're running, the. The Epstein burglar sets it on fire and throws it on the ground and jumps on it. And Dan goes, no, no, it's over. There's no copies.

Brett Dasovic (105:01)

It was a hard copy. We didn't want it to get hacked.

Tim Pool (105:06)

No, it's over. Well, there you go, folks. Sorry, nothing to see here.

Brett Dasovic (105:10)

Just as in big red letters confidential.

Phil Labonte (105:12)

On the front, just like in the cartoons.

Tim Pool (105:16)

And then. And that campaign would have been better because at least it would have been entertaining. I'd be like, well, okay, you're lying to us. But it was funny.

Brett Dasovic (105:23)

He's got, like, the spirit gum mask.

Tim Pool (105:25)

Like the hamburger, the Epstein burglar.

Brett Dasovic (105:30)

Did you. Did you see the memes from National Treasure of Nicholas Cage? I'm going to steal the Epstein files. I mean, if they made that move, they're making a National Treasure 3, so.

Steve Hilton (105:40)

Okay, we have a long time we've been waiting for.

Tim Pool (105:42)

This is why we need AI Video generation upgraded asap. Not for political smear campaigns, not for porn, but so we can make National Treasure 3, the search for the Epstein files. And it's like he's. He's underneath the DOJ and it's a cave with, like, spikes swinging back and forth and air dart poison darts flying at him.

Brett Dasovic (106:03)

And he has to travel back to Little St. James for, like, a flash drive that's in the bowels of the. Of the basement.

Tim Pool (106:09)

Yeah, the building with the weird stripes on it. He opens it up and it goes down into this deep underground layer they can't.

Brett Dasovic (106:15)

Like, they tried to do a National Treasure show and everybody hated it. It's because there's nobody allowed alive in Hollywood anymore that actually likes America. Yeah, the reason the. The beauty of those movies is, like, they're unapologetically romantic about our history, and you can't do that anymore.

Tim Pool (106:29)

And silly. All right, let's see what else we got going on in here with these jets. All right. Shinaj berries says. Thank you, Steve. Refreshing to see someone like you running for governor in our state, eyeing ID to move. I know. If they move, if. I'm sorry, if they vote. Another news scum question. Why should we vote for you instead of Chad Bianco?

Steve Hilton (106:51)

Okay, good. Look, Chat, I know Chad. He's a good sheriff, but there's more to the job than just crime and law. And order. And I've got a lot of experience in running a business, being in government, making change happen, a media platform. I've got big supporters, Charlie, Kirk, Vivek, there's a whole, you know, Jack Gibbs, big pastor in Southern California. So there's a movement that we're building and I just think I've got the ability to build the movement. We need to win and then once we've won to really get the job done. Because I've been there operating at that kind of level, you know, fighting bureaucracy and making change happen right across the board on a whole bunch of different policy areas, economic policy, all the different things we need to fix in California. The regulations, the bureaucracy. That's the big thing we've got to deal with, which is this massive swamp in Sacramento. All this stuff, everything you hear about the swamp in D.C. the deep state, the administrative state, whatever you want to call it, it's 10 times worse in California because it's just been non stop Democrat rule. So you've never had, at least in Washington you've had, you know, a bit of a changeover. You've had Republican presidents come in, put in different people. It's been one way street in California. You've got to be really strong and tough and experienced at how to deal with these bureaucrats. And I've done that.

Phil Labonte (108:15)

I heard Gavin Newsom talking. Maybe it was, maybe it was just a tweet that I saw, but he was, someone had said something about the single party rule in California. He's like, we have six Republicans on the, I think it was, you know, on the state Senate or State House or whatever. And I'm like, six. How many people are in California State House? The, the fact that you have six doesn't mean anything.

Steve Hilton (108:36)

For they have, they have a, what is called a super majority. Yeah, two thirds. So they can do whatever they want. Doesn't have any Republican input.

Phil Labonte (108:44)

But it's just, it's, it's so funny to hear Gavin Newsom making these remarks just like he was, he was defending the second Amendment on the Sean Ryan show the other day.

Steve Hilton (108:52)

Because almost everything I've, I haven't seen the whole thing. Think pretty much every clip I've seen. He is just totally lying.

Phil Labonte (108:59)

Yeah. She's all lies.

Tim Pool (109:00)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (109:01)

The shamelessness of it.

Tim Pool (109:02)

Did Sean Ryan take him a task?

Phil Labonte (109:04)

He didn't push back a whole ton? I think that, yeah, he, well, I mean, so he didn't. I think that his perspective is he wanted to, you know, keep it friendly and allow people to criticize afterwards. But, but no, he didn't push back now.

Tim Pool (109:16)

And I think that this is, this is the challenge. Right. If, if I go hard on Newsom, he won't come on the show. And so a lot of these hosts are like, if we want high profile interviews, high profile interviews, you've got to be nice, even to bad people. And I'm kind of like, but don't they. Gavin Newscombe doesn't deserve my protection or whatever you want to call it. Charity. Yeah, charity. He, he mask mandated everybody while not wearing a mask. They arrested a paddle border. This is under his, under his, his. In the ocean by himself.

Steve Hilton (109:49)

But the thing I don't understand, like, I would, I'd love to be. To go on what you could call hostile media because I like an argument. And I think when you have an actual argument, like, you know, polite but like fact based, you know, you, you re then you get really, you get the points out better than in a friendly setting. And so I don't understand why they wouldn't want to come here and be challenged. Because they don't have good arguments.

Tim Pool (110:17)

But they know they're wrong. Yes, exactly. So.

Steve Hilton (110:19)

And he's got such a terrible record and it's indefensible, actually.

Tim Pool (110:22)

All right. Jordan Sturtevant says either Trump has lost his touch or there is someone behind the scenes and you get crashed. There's someone behind the scenes is what he said. Let's see if I can find that chat again. Because YouTube crashed someone with enough leverage to give him orders. There is no way he is this bad at this. I mean. Yeah. Is this the first time Trump's been on the back end of like an 8020 issue or a 9020 issue or 9010 issue?

Brett Dasovic (110:48)

It just feels like his ego's got the better of him.

Phil Labonte (110:51)

I think this is the, this is, he's his, his instinct is usually so good. And I think that this is the first time that he's been on the wrong side of a, a very obvious issue, in my opinion.

Brett Dasovic (111:01)

Well, that's why I asked the question earlier is, is it's going to make people wonder, like, what's different with this than literally everything else that we've talked about with you? Because you're not approaching this the way you approach every other issue.

Phil Labonte (111:12)

Yeah, it does seem sus.

Tim Pool (111:16)

Yep. American M says Trump has lost me with all he said and apparently he doesn't want our support and thinks we are weak and bad people. It's sad to me, but I can't support him anymore. He is protecting pedos for some reason. Yeah, maybe because the idea is that Epstein tricked them into doing whatever it is they were accused, like, whatever it is they did. Underage. Like Virginia Giuffre, I think, with Prince. Andrew was 17 at the time. And so the theory was that he's like, here's a young, you know, lady, she's 20. And then afterwards, psych, she's 17. Gotcha. And then now. Now we own you. And so Trump's attitude is, I'm not going to use. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna publish it on these guys. You know, I think he should. I think that's for us to decide. And we want to know what Epstein was doing, why he was doing it, who he's working for. But there's. There's a lot. Who knows? Maybe Trump is like, the collateral damage to the economy and the US Trade and foreign affairs isn't worth it. I just. Literally all you can do is speculate. To be fair, though, there's a lot of people even on the right saying, so long as he doesn't want to publish it. I'm just gonna say he's on the list. And like, Elon Musk said it.

Steve Hilton (112:24)

So I really. That the one part of this I don't believe, because why. Why would. The Democrats who had access to everything would have. Would not have released that they did one thing to try and stop him.

Tim Pool (112:37)

Right.

Steve Hilton (112:38)

Everything they could.

Tim Pool (112:39)

They falsely accused him of a fake rape. Yeah.

Brett Dasovic (112:42)

Well, is the idea here that they could have released his name and not the other names? Because if the idea. Okay, so then. And they think that they could have released just his name and nobody would have then been like, okay, so who are all the other powerful people on this list?

Tim Pool (112:54)

I. If there was any evidence they could have released it. Select collectively. And they did not do it. Yeah.

Steve Hilton (112:58)

Or even hinted at it. They didn't even do that.

Tim Pool (113:01)

Just. Just pictures of Trump with Epstein at parties and stuff.

Brett Dasovic (113:04)

Yeah. Like, if you looked at all of the documentaries that were made about Epstein, they all have a picture of him and Trump as the COVID of it on the streaming services. That's because the media is very good at their jobs.

Tim Pool (113:17)

Let's see. What is this? A jig? 8, 4, 5, 3. Is that what. I can't read your names. Tim Pool is on the Lauren Southern list. You guys, it's a joke about Epstein, but the story that broke. You saw this going viral. Lauren Southern accused Andrew Tate of sexually assaulting her. And instantly, like, everybody in the space came out and they were like, yeah, that never happened.

Phil Labonte (113:40)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (113:40)

Tommy Robinson came out and said that didn't happen. Or he said that, like after that night, in the morning, he was in the hotel room next to hers and she was kissing Andrew Tate as if everything was good. And he was like, what are you talking about?

Brett Dasovic (113:52)

That.

Phil Labonte (113:52)

That's. I mean, I don't know Lauren all that well, but it does seem suspect considering all of the people that are saying, no, that's not gonna happen.

Tim Pool (114:02)

She published a book and then released a free chapter claiming Agitate raped her.

Phil Labonte (114:06)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (114:06)

And the media is running it like crazy. Yeah. All right. Henry Davis says, hey, guys, I hate to beg, but my dog needs surgery for a tumor. They've already gotten a six grand loan, but that's only able to cover roughly half of what we need. Our GiveSendGo link is slash, capital G H U p M. Prayers are welcome too. I know times are tough.

Brett Dasovic (114:30)

What was it? What was it again?

Tim Pool (114:31)

It's give send to go slash and it's all caps G H u p m Save a dog.

Phil Labonte (114:40)

That sucks. I'm sorry, man.

Brett Dasovic (114:41)

We're. Our cat is currently in the middle of just diagnosed with cancer. So I'm with you big time, man. I'm sorry for your dog.

Tim Pool (114:51)

Brutal, man. What do we got going on over here? Jeremy Rain man says it doesn't matter who wins the midterms if Trump won't lead with. On with, with an honesty that holds government accountable for sex trafficking American underage girls as a form of intel source and method. At that point, the US Government can be declared a criminal organization. There's a lot of things the US government has done that could, you know. But anyway, let's see. Sterling Wilson says if people in the mega base take Trump personally without being named, they have mental issues. I'm only one person in the MAGA movement and wasn't offended by his truth posts at all. He wasn't talking to me or a majority of us. I don't know. He just said, if you believe the Epstein hoax, then you're a past supporter. And, you know, I mean, it was.

Steve Hilton (115:38)

An interesting perspective though, if they, if, if that's widely shared.

Tim Pool (115:43)

And who's Trump talking to?

Steve Hilton (115:44)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (115:46)

I mean, I, I don't know, but it's. Look, it's. It was a bad, bad way to approach this situation.

Tim Pool (115:53)

It feels like the first time Trump actually tried to play the like, I, I own you kind of card. So there are a lot of people on the left, they say, Trump, it's a cult or whatever. And Trump's always been very magnanimous and respectful to the personalities that, you know, build this coalition. This seems like the first time he was basically saying, don't defy me. And, you know, with Charlie Kirk sentiment on the matter, it looked like they were giving out messages to their top, you know, surrogates. We want to drop this move on. And said, okay. But the reality is the people who voted in Trump are not a cult. Shows like this exist. Benny Johnson was going hard as well, and he's a. Benny was a big Trump guy.

Steve Hilton (116:37)

Exactly.

Tim Pool (116:38)

Yeah. I'm very impressed. Shout out to Betty Johnson and. And we, of course, are not going to just immediately be like, okay, Epstein, doesn't matter anymore. Goodbye. So, you know, that exists.

Brett Dasovic (116:48)

Like, that's the most, that's the most annoying thing for anybody who's been accused of that because they tacitly might have supported him. Because there are some issues that you agree with them on is to be told that you're a cultist when everybody knows that what you want more than anything is well functioning government. And if that means criticizing him, that's exactly what you should be doing.

Phil Labonte (117:05)

There's a lot of people that, that if, if you don't say the words that they're thinking that they automatically just say, oh, well, you're, you're, you're supporting him. You're supporting, you know, you're helping to hide child rapist, blah, blah, blah, blah. Even if you're like, no, you know, there should be an investigation or he should release the stuff, but if you're not sufficiently vocal and outraged, then they just accuse you of also, I think.

Steve Hilton (117:32)

That, you know, certainly for Charlie is pretty evident to me that, you know, everything he's saying about it comes from a position of wanting Trump to be successful.

Phil Labonte (117:40)

Yeah.

Steve Hilton (117:41)

And thinking that this is hurting him. So, I mean, it's trying, he's trying.

Phil Labonte (117:46)

To be helpful, I think, acknowledging that it's hurting him because it is, you know.

Tim Pool (117:50)

Yep. Garant says Trump is channeling Kelly sue deconnick is that he said, yeah, don't like my politics, dump on my books, and then no one buys Marvel comics and she's unemployed. Trump, you're all big dummies. I don't want your support. Challenge accepted. And join Nixon impeachment in 2027.

Brett Dasovic (118:05)

I don't think she is unemployed, though. She always got work. That was the problem. The idea was that Marvel would artificially prop up people who had beliefs that went counter to, you know, they would say that stuff and then be shocked when nobody bought their stuff.

Tim Pool (118:19)

Only the truth says I know Rhino Chad Bianco has a history of gun grabbing anti Trump and physically getting on his knees for BLM while on camera. Steve, will you lower the income tax, property tax, the $1.65 fuel tax and repeal every anti 2A law in the books?

Steve Hilton (118:35)

Let's do it. What was the last thing I was getting so excited to answer?

Tim Pool (118:38)

The anti 2A laws?

Steve Hilton (118:40)

Yeah, I'll do whatever I can on all of that. And so there's simple on my tax plan. Is your first hundred grand free of state income tax, working class tax cut working class people even hurt the most by this insanity on the gas prices. My plan is $3 gas that may sound actually high for the rest of the country right now in California. I know in California we have $5 gas heading to 6, 7 or 8 because they're shutting down refineries. So $3 gas mostly achieved not through cutting the tax but by rolling back the climate regulations. Definitely. Got to defend property taxes is harder because it's in the state constitution. But I will guarantee not to raise it. Got to protect Prop 13 which guarantees that Second Amendment. I mean, I strongly agree with that. And the way they're chipping away at it constantly and these Democrats are constantly trying to find ways to do that. And I'm actively talking to all the gun groups about the really specific things that we can do. Again, the problem is you got the legislature and they're not going to be on side with this. So going back to the earlier question, I really understand how the mechanics of government work and that's what this is all about. What can you get done through the executive branch, through the agencies, the bureaucracy, all of that stuff. And that's what I'm working on right now.

Tim Pool (120:05)

Right on. Well, it should be fun. But my friends, we're going to that uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button right now. Share the show. Tell everybody it's good fun coming out. Rumble.com Timcast IRL we go about another 45 minutes, sometimes 50 minutes talking with you guys from our Discord server. If you want to sign up, go to timcast.com join the discord server. It's a big community chat room 247 morning shows after shows and you can call into our show. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast Steve, do you want to shout anything out?

Steve Hilton (120:37)

Yeah, I mean I just want every. Look, if you're listening in California watching, whatever. But just this is our moment. I think it's our best shot for at least 20 years to bring sanity to California. Anyone who wants to get involved, I want you with me. SteveHiltonForGovernor.com follow my campaignVehiltonX. I really think we can do this. It's not gonna be easy. I'm not sitting here pretending, oh yeah, I'm gonna be governor. It's gonna be great. But it's not impossible. And so I think we gotta go for it.

Brett Dasovic (121:08)

It.

Tim Pool (121:08)

Right on. Awesome, guys.

Brett Dasovic (121:10)

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