Candace Owens Implies TPUSA KILLED Charlie Kirk, Claims Failed Bibi Deal Cost MILLIONS w/ Nick Freitas

Summary

Timcast IRL: Candace Owens Implies TPUSA KILLED Charlie Kirk, Claims Failed Bibi Deal Cost MILLIONS w/ Nick Freitas

Date: December 3, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guests: Nick Freitas, Eliyahu (White House Correspondent), Phil Labonte
Episode Theme:
A raw and contentious breakdown of recent allegations by Candace Owens implicating Turning Point USA in the death of Charlie Kirk—suggesting motives tied to Israel and a failed Netanyahu deal—and exploration of how sensationalism, conspiracy, and media manipulation infect conservative politics .

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives into the firestorm following Candace Owens’ viral social media posts alleging that Turning Point USA (TPUSA)—the organization Charlie Kirk founded—betrayed and may have been involved in his murder, possibly motivated by a dropped deal with Benjamin Netanyahu (Bibi) that supposedly cost TPUSA millions. The panel unpacks the rhetoric, implications, and motivations behind Candace’s actions and critiques the broader trend of conspiratorial content in conservative media, also tying in parallel controversies (Mark Kelly/"Seditious Six", White House meme wars, and more).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Candace Owens’ Allegations Against TPUSA

(06:42–24:30, 40:57–48:02)

• Owens’ Claim: Publicly insists she has received proof that TPUSA’s leadership “betrayed” Charlie Kirk, strongly implying (though stopping just short of direct accusation) that they were complicit in his death — citing multinational involvement and financial motives (failed Netanyahu deal, French Foreign Legion references).

  • Candace’s direct words ([09:11]):

    “Andrew had told them that when Charlie said no to Bibi, he lost out on millions. ...I have that tip in writing. I’m not lying to you.”

  • Candace’s Twitter post read aloud ([07:04]):

    “I now can say with full confidence that I believe Charlie Kirk was betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA and some of the very people who eulogized him on stage...Yes, I will be naming names...request a refund.”

• Owens’ Insinuation Tactics:

  • Frequently couches claims as “that’s how I feel” to maintain plausible deniability.
  • Provides “receipts” that are vague (text messages/tips), not concrete evidence.
  • Chides donors to "request a refund," advocating, according to Tim, “the destruction of what Charlie built on the basis of insinuations” ([12:00–13:15]).
  • Leverages manipulative rhetoric designed to allow “low reading comprehension” followers to fill in the blanks, making her story maximally viral without direct legal risk ([10:24]; [36:10]).

• Panel Criticism:

  • Nick Freitas ([13:38]):

    “If somebody came out and started making accusations that both the organization that I built and the woman I dedicated my life to were somehow complicit in my murder, I would hope they had real receipts before they were willing to put my wife or my organization...on the line for that."

  • Phil Labonte ([17:32]):

    "It’s all implication. And she's covering her tracks by saying, ‘that’s how I feel.’ I hate the whole thing, from top to bottom...all of the people talking about Charlie’s murder, post Charlie’s murder."

  • Tim Pool ([13:15], [24:30]):

    “The idea that you would try to destroy them and get everybody to pull their donations using the insinuation they murdered Charlie Kirk is evil.”
    “When I see the things she’s saying and I know these techniques of manipulation...it’s manipulative language intentionally to trick people…”

  • Eliyahu ([33:33]):

    "She’s really willing to peddle bullshit and rumors and spin up fake narratives to try to get clicks...She knows that she’s spreading stuff that is BS, but she believes it will get her clicks."

2. Financial and Personal Motives — Media, Money, and Revenge

(20:02–24:30; 47:39–48:33)

• **Panel speculates Owens is motivated not by ignorance but malice—specifically, money, attention, and possible axes to grind due to past falling outs with Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, and TPUSA ([23:33]; [45:13–45:53]).
• Owens’ business model:
  • Fortune estimates $10M/year revenue from controversy-driven media ([27:28]) with the panel estimating more; lawsuit from French First Lady Macron could threaten this.
  • Comparison with Nick Fuentes and others who are deplatformed; speculation on why Candace avoids bans ([43:23–44:33], [109:21–112:44]).
• Speculation on jealous motivation:
  • Panelists discuss the possibility that Candace’s emotional focus on Charlie stems from jealousy and a “friend-zoned” relationship, suggesting an emotional need for attention and revenge ([116:16–118:32]).
  • Tim:

    “She talks about how she used to, like, send him texts saying, I feel like an alien. And he’d respond with, I’m a time traveler...It sounds like she is the friend zoned...and she’s very jealous.”

3. Defamation Lawsuit: Macron, TPUSA, and the Legal Boundaries of Conspiracy

(27:28–30:55)

• Fortune details Owens’ $10M+ empire is at risk from a defamation suit—her claims against the Macrons and the business model of viral, unsubstantiated outrage.
• Panel agrees:
  • Owens will likely lose the lawsuit—American courts (especially with French diplomatic pressure) are not likely to shield her “controversy as currency” model when clear, personal defamation is involved ([30:55]).
• On TPUSA never suing Candace ([40:57]):
  • Tim:

    “They’re not going to [sue]. Because the law doesn’t work to protect you in any meaningful way...If Turning Point were to sue...there would be depositions and discovery...she will then use [that] on her show...She’s been able to get more than two months of content out of saying nothing. No evidence.”

4. Broader Media Culture — Manipulation, Conspiracy, and the “Womanosphere”

(24:30–32:00; 36:38–37:10)

• Candace’s approach compared to “female-coded” true crime drama content targeting women—emotional, narrative-driven, social currency intensive.
• Panel's larger point:
  • Such content hijacks real politics with “Netflix true crime” distraction, pulling focus from actual, actionable issues toward sensational soap opera ([33:33], [35:27], [114:55]).
  • Manipulative rhetoric is a symptom of “post-truth society” ([37:01]).

5. Military, Government, and Civil-Military Division

(65:15–89:41)

• Washington Post accused of lying about Trump’s Secretary of War ordering illegal killings during a drone strike; New York Times debunked this.
• Panel claims mainstream media is “fomenting civil war” by sowing division within the military and painting Trump admin orders as illegal, so Democrats can later claim they are seditious ([65:15–74:50]).
• Mark Kelly’s comments to military personnel:
  • Warned service members they could be prosecuted by future Democrat administrations for following “illegal” orders, even with JAG approval.
  • Panel sees this as threat, arguing it damages morale and readiness.
• Relevant quote ([76:09], Nick):

  “Again, my background was unconventional warfare and counterinsurgency...The thing that, again, there’s two things about this that really piss me off....the whole idea of, am I going to...will there be a future regime...that’s going to come in and now determine three years after the fact...you executed [an order that] was unlawful and now we’re punishing you.”

• Parallel drawn between media/political manipulations here and Candace’s vague insinuation techniques.

6. Memes, White House PR, and Viral Distractions

(51:30–62:20)

• White House claps back at pop singer Sabrina Carpenter after she decried their use of her music—panel finds the “meme war” tactics amusing, evidence of changing communications and media battlegrounds.
• Panel notes meme culture’s influence on elections (Trump 2016, meme-driven narratives), White House/DHS’s high-troll skill—while some see it as “beneath the White House,” others see it as effective galvanization ([59:08]).

7. Conspiracism, Gatekeeping, and Cancel Culture

(43:23–44:33; 112:44–114:55)

• Speculates on why Candace Owens is platformed/algorithmically promoted while others (e.g., Nick Fuentes) are not.
• Contrasts the platforms’ tolerance attributed variously to DEI (diversity equity inclusion) goals, her former Daily Wire ties, her “low IQ” brand of antisemitism being safe for mainstream/discrediting for the truly subversive, etc.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

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Candace's Insinuation

• (07:04, Tim Pool)

  “She is not just implying that [TPUSA] were involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk, but that everybody should get a refund...She tweets, ‘I received information last night that put the final pieces together’...”

Panel Critique of Rhetoric

• (13:38, Nick Freitas)

  “Before [accusing] my wife or my organization, my life’s work...I would hope that they had real receipts before they were willing to put my wife or my organization...on the line for that.”

• (17:32, Phil Labonte)

  “It’s all implication. And [Owens is] covering her tracks by saying, ‘That’s how I feel.’ It’s all implication...It’s really gross.”

On Manipulation / Media Literacy

• (36:10, Tim Pool)

  “This is basic manipulative rhetoric, social engineering where you say things so that the other person makes an assumption and then you can’t be held liable...”

On Content Style

• (26:14, Tim Pool)

  “It’s a true crime drama and it plays really, really well among women.”

On Malice and Intent

• (23:33, Tim Pool)

  “Malice in the legal sense. I think that she is fully cognizant of what she’s doing...I think she’s a genius...But when I see these techniques in manipulation...it’s manipulative language intentionally to trick people.”

On Macrons Lawsuit

• (30:55, Tim Pool)

  “She will not win this...because when the French government says, ‘we are going to your courts’...If you go up against the French government and the US backs her over a NATO ally – it’s not going to happen.”

On Why TPUSA Won't Sue Owens

• (40:57, Tim Pool)

  “They’re not going to [sue]...there would be depositions and discovery...she will then use [that] on her show.”

On Civil-Military Division

• (74:50, Tim Pool)

  “This is illegal...Mark Kelly’s actions fall perfectly under [18 USC 2387]...They need to be criminally charged. If they are not, this will keep getting worse...Otherwise it just gets worse.”

On Conservative Movement and Truth

• (36:38, Nick Freitas)

  "Do we still believe in standards of truth? Do we still believe in objective standards?"

On Candace’s Jealousy/Friendzone Theory

• (116:16, Tim Pool)

  "She talks about how she used to, like, send him texts saying, I feel like an alien. And he’d respond with, I’m a time traveler...It sounds like she is the friend zoned...and she’s very jealous."

Owens’ Supporters’ Reaction, According to Panel

• (44:33, Tim Pool)

  “Who really betrayed Charlie Kirk? ...She’s actively trying to destroy Charlie Kirk’s legacy.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 06:42 — Introduction of Nick Freitas, panel intros, initial Candace Owens segment
• 07:04–13:15 — Tim reviews Candace’s post and implications about TPUSA
• 13:38–14:41 — Nick Freitas on moral lines when making accusations
• 17:32 — Phil on Candace’s rhetorical cover (“that’s how I feel”)
• 20:02–23:24 — On Candace's business model, media monetization, and incentivizing controversy
• 24:30–26:14 — Analysis of “female-coded true crime” appeal in Candace’s show
• 27:28–30:55 — Fortune report on Owens’ media empire & Macron lawsuit
• 36:10–37:10 — Manipulation, vagueness, and the power of insinuation
• 40:57–42:20 — Why Turning Point won’t sue, and how Candace uses "receipts" for perpetual content
• 51:30–62:20 — “Meme wars” and White House social media antics
• 65:15–89:41 — WaPo vs. NYT, Mark Kelly "seditious six," and civil-military division in politics
• 112:44–114:55 — Panel explores why Candace remains so platformed and algorithmically favored
• 116:16–118:32 — Hypothesis: Candace motivated by love/jealousy for Charlie Kirk

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Conclusions & Takeaways

• Media Incentives: Panel strongly argues that Candace Owens’ behaviors—insinuation, sensationalism, and stoking vague, dramatic conspiracies—are calculated for engagement and profit, not truth or responsible politics.
• Truth vs. Clicks: The episode ultimately highlights the dangers of a “post-truth” landscape in media, especially when influential personalities traffic in drama over evidence and use audience manipulation tactics.
• Conspiracism's Costs: This drama isn’t just interpersonal—panel sees real risk to conservative institutions, audience trust, and American political process from proliferation of unverified, viral, and weaponized narratives.
• Civil Division: Parallels are drawn between media manipulation around military/civil discord and Candace’s tactics, in both cases undermining trust in institutions through distortion and insinuation.
• Who Betrayed Whom? The show ends on the argument that—contrary to her stated intentions—Candace Owens is the one threatening to destroy Charlie Kirk’s legacy through her campaign.

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Final Notable Quote [48:33, Tim Pool]:

“That is manipulative language used by powerful people. This is what Candace does. So when she comes on her show and says they betrayed Charlie, she’s already said it feels like an inside job. So what else could she be insinuating? And then her diehards with 5th grade reading levels are like, I am going to fill the dots, whatever. I want to be true.”

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This summary covers the critical discussion points and memorable moments, provides speaker attribution and timestamps for verification, and maintains the original tone and intentional informality of the Timcast IRL crew while clearly signposting the episode’s key themes for anyone who didn’t listen in full.

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Odoo Modern Management Made Simple. In a viral post on X, Candace Owens says she is convinced she has received information that she believes proves Turning Point USA has betrayed Charlie Kirk. What does that really mean, betrayed? Well, she's implied that there's multinational organizations involved in the assassination. There's Israelis, the French Foreign Legion, and with this latest post, the implication a lot of people took away is that they were involved in some way in the murder of Charlie Kirk, which, considering what we've seen already over the past couple of months, most people just believed. That's the insinuation she's been desperately trying to make. Which is really funny because so many people come out and go, she never said that. It's like, dude, come on the Post. That she's made the claims that she's making. In another claim, I believe this was today's episode, she said that one of the individuals, a higher ranking individual at Turning Point, lost millions of dollars when they didn't do a deal with Bibi Netanyahu. You add all these things together, she's painting a picture of Turning Point, angry that Charlie wouldn't work with Israel, was turning on Israel. So Turning Point betrayed him because they lost money and had him killed. And they used French Foreign Legion or whatever to do it. I gotta be honest. Well, I'll save the overt commentary for the show, but the insinuation that you're seeing across X the implication she's making, they were involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk, which I'm just gonna say outright, I think is silly, but we'll talk about that. And there's a. There's a bunch of actually important news. The Washington Post claimed that Hegseth Secretary of War ordered the killing of survivors of a drone strike as they were clinging to a boat for dear life. 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And I again, was not tracking any of this at the time. But they had said that they felt that Andrew Colvett was acting weird. And I'm sure that's not a big deal. Like, we were all acting weird. Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

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Andrew had told them that when Charlie.

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Said no to Bibi, he lost out on millions.

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Now I'm gonna say allegedly, cause this is a tip. But I have that tip in writing. I'm not lying to you.

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And I thought to myself, that is so weird.

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How could the spokesperson at Turning Point USA be on the. How could they be gaining millions from that? What's the. What is the. What is the structure here of these contracts that even people that are in pr, people that are, like running PR departments are getting tips on the basis of donations?

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I think it's really important that we learn the truth about what happened. Who's Pierre? Is it Pierre?

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[Tim Pool]

You know, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine, and we were talking about how the average reading level in the United States is around, like, seventh grade. And I think she first had the eighth grade. And I was like, you know, this is funny because this is. This just came up on Tim Cast IRO the other night. I think it's actually around seventh grade. And then I was like, I double checked because we pulled up the data and it's. It actually ranges from between fifth to eighth grade. So it's like sixth, seventh grade reading level. And if I don't think Candice is stupid, I think she's actually super intelligent. I think she's a genius. And what I mean by that is not that she's a good person, but I believe that she is extremely aware of. She is quick to learn and understand what she is doing. That's why I think what she's doing is amoral, is wrong, it's immoral. Because the way she just phrased all of that to imply that there was some illicit deal with Andrew Colvitt in Israel. It's exactly what she's been doing. And I'm gonna say this much to the. I suppose it'll sound elitist and insulting, but the people of low reading comprehension who can't parse through the manipulations, they believe this. Let me, I, I said, I was sitting, I was, I was at the poker room over the weekend and there were these young guys who were like, did you hear that Candace is in hiding now because it, because Israel. And like they're trying to kill her over this Charlie stuff. And I said, you mean how she posted her show was off the air for the week because it was Thanksgiving? And they were like, she didn't say that. I'm like, yeah, she didn't say anything. It was vague. That's what she does. Vagaries. So that you connect the dots and, and you can believe whatever it is you want to believe without her actually having said anything. So let me put it like this. If Andrew Colvin is working in a nonprofit or literally anybody works in a nonprofit, often you get commissions on. It's called development. If you bring in a large donor, you, you will get a commission that is completely normal at nonprofits. You may not like it. People may say I think it's wrong that you get a commission on donations. But nonprofits are the same as any other business. So executive directors at nonprofits at big ones are going to make million dollar salaries. And it is honestly think it's stupid that people get mad about this because if you want CEO level talent, you have to pay CEO level wages. Usually it's not going to be identical. You know, I think Charlie was getting, I think they say it was around a million bucks between the four. Between four different nonprofits. And he was worth substantially more than that. His show alone was probably bringing way more anyway. But if Colvette or literally anybody was organizing some kind of deal, be it with Netanyahu or anyone else, now you can argue that in of itself is wrong. But getting a commission on, on, on, on a donation is actually fairly routine for big organizations. Especially when someone is working, they call it development. So the insinuation now is that Turning Point USA killed Charlie. But the, the sledgehammer of course is when she says everybody should request a refund from this organization. Now obviously y' all know that, you know, we have the minorist of drama issues with Turning Point. We're not going to be there at Amfest. But it is what it is. I ain't crying about it. I. I've, you know, I talk to these guys relatively often, so whatever. But the idea that you would try to destroy them and get everybody to pull their donations using the insinuation they murdered Charlie Kirk is evil. It's evil.

[Nick Freitas]

I. My whole thing with. With this, because I. I get asked about what do you think about what Candace did or what's like, look, I got no problem with people that want to question the official nar. No problem. You know, I. I got questions about the whole, you know, 30 out 6 caliber and is this really gonna, you know, do the damage? Etc. Sure. What I don't understand, though, and I wrote it to someone this way once. I said, if I spent my entire life building an organization that I truly believed in and I built a life with the, you know, my wife, who I absolutely loved. And somebody came out and started making accusations that both the organization that I built and dedicated my life to and the woman I dedicated my life to were somehow complicit in my murder. I would hope. I would hope that they had real receipts before they were. Before they were willing to put my wife or my organization, my life's work on the line for that. Again, you can ask all you want, but I would hope before people would believe that you would actually be bringing something fairly concrete.

[Phil Labonte]

Has Candace.

[Tim Pool]

Man, I. I'd hope that. Well, I can only imagine that if. Slash, when I die, I got a lot of text messages with people that can be made to. You know, I wonder if I could like you. You could take any text message from me to anybody else and make it sound crazy. Let me see if I can. Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.

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[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

I'm sure that there are sufficient text messages in my phone that would do me in.

[Tim Pool]

I'm trying to find a text from Phil that's not really, like, bad. It's kind of vague.

[Phil Labonte]

Just hard Rs, straight hard Rs all the time.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, there's just the N word, like crazy. I don't want to read any of those. No, but, like, I'm not gonna read anything explicitly, but, like, point I'm making is I just pulled up the text I have with Phil, and here's one. Hey, Tim, thanks again for today. When you get a chance, can you shoot me Chad's number? And then all I have to do is go. Here's a message from Phil. Chad, I remember that day when we were all hanging out. It was so sad. And, you know, Phil looked at me and he said, brother, we're in this together. And I went, I'm right there with you, man. That's what she's doing. She's just showing, like, any random text, and it's just, it's, it's, it's really gross.

[Phil Labonte]

How much, like, how much stuff is she actually shown?

[Tim Pool]

I'm not following. So I, I, I don't, I, I can't say that I've watched every episode she's ever done, but I watched her show today. And what I will say is when everyone, I, I, I've watched a handful of her shows. I've watched the ones that are relevant to what we're, you know, what's been going on, but I don't follow all of it. And then I always hear people be like, she's not claiming Turning Point was involved. And I'm like, then you didn't watch the show where she was like, inside job. That's how I feel. I have no. What else can you think? Yeah, and the fact that she says.

[Phil Labonte]

Things like she's the caveat's always. That's how I feel. And, and it's not any kind of, of actually substantial evidence. It's all implication. And she's covering her tracks by Saying, this is how I feel. I. I hate the whole thing, like, from top to bottom, all of the stuff that's. That the. All of the people talking about Charlie's murder, post Charlie's murder.

[Nick Freitas]

It's.

[Phil Labonte]

It all just seems like, you know, sharks in the water looking to pick up their little bit of. You know, I have to say this.

[Tim Pool]

But I'm not going to say who told me it. But, you know, this issue, of course, comes up in these private circles. I get asked by a lot of people I meet who know who I am. The first thing they ask me about is Candace and what she said about Turning Point. And I have to be like, let's just stop and analyze what she said and like, you tell me what you think. But someone today was talking to me about it, and they were just like, you know, Candace has made a lot of insinuations in this latest one with, like, Andrew Colvette losing millions of dollars. Like, the implication that he's going after Charlie, whatever. And then this person I'm talking to goes like, you know, he's not a chess player. And that's like the nicest way of saying, with all due respect to Colvette, that he doesn't have the capability to plot something of this. I'm not trying to be a dick, but like, the insinuation that their spokesperson had the capability to map out this plan involving the French Foreign Legion and Israeli spies and, like, getting security pulled from the roof, just all of that's required. Now, I gotta be honest. I've worked with security companies where I've met people who you can tell have that capability, and I'm sure you have, too.

[Nick Freitas]

It's not as easy as people want to make it out to be.

[Tim Pool]

It's absolutely not. And any. Any, like we talked about before, like a single janitor walking up to the roof would have ruined the whole thing. So there's all these little nooks and crannies. You have to.

[Eliyahu]

You have to.

[Tim Pool]

That have to be available. And that's why I think it is actually very strange when this. When. When Charlie security was like, we just. The police said it was okay, you know, it was fine. They got it. And I'm like, nah, that. That don't add up. Like, security companies don't just be like, we know there's roof access, and we're not going to put an old lady knitting in front of the door. Like, you have an old lady knitting in front of the door and Charlie's alive. So that does not add up. I mean, and you know, Occam's razor, Hanlon's razor, it's just a very, very awful security company. But to then go and insinuate that the people who are made rich by Charlie turned on him. You know, the, the comments that I made before that got them upset with me was that I said there are people at Turning Point that fear they can't make it without Charlie.

[Phil Labonte]

And the people at Turning Point, like they all, they all stood to make significantly more money with Charlie at the helm than after Charlie's passed away.

[Tim Pool]

But who, Real quick, but that's correct. Now who stands to make the most money from this story?

[Phil Labonte]

Currently, it seems like Candace Owens, indeed.

[Tim Pool]

Talking about how she's the biggest podcast connecting this with the McCrones to tie it to the Bridget McCrone is a man thing. I got to be honest, right now we're looking at dropping CPMs for political content. I was having conversation. You know, it's kind of a vague thing to say because I don't want to drag other prominent personalities, but let me just say this. I routinely talk with Jack Posobec and Benny Johnson and Steven Crowder and a bunch of these guys, as well as ad bookers, buyers. We have these conversations all the time. And you know what I, you know what I can say, this one I have no problem actually mentioning. I was talking with Jeremy Hambly from the quartering and because he's made several videos talking about the decline of political content viewership, CPMs. And I told him, I was like, well, look, I gotta be honest, there were some people who came up to Tate, producer Tate, and mentioned like, how come Tim's views are still good, like everyone else is dropping. And I'm like, well, you know, our viewership has gone down for sure in the season, but you know, my morning show's doing pretty much the same as it always has, minus like I was sick or like off for holidays. And so they asked these questions. I was talking to Jeremy Hamley about it and I said, look, I gotta be honest. How evil are you willing to be? Is the question. And when we're at the end of, we're coming off the back year of this election season, it was abnormally large this year. It's supposed to be a dead year completely. After every election, everyone says turn it off, I don't want politics. And we actually got to squeeze some out of it. Cuz Donald Trump was doing making bold moves. But now we're getting the holiday season and people are like, okay, enough. I want to hear about why the Bears are actually. Bears are in first place. Is that what's going on in the NFL?

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Eliyahu]

In the NFC East. Is it?

[Tim Pool]

I have no idea. I don't know.

[Eliyahu]

The Vikings are having a doo doo season.

[Tim Pool]

All I know is my buddies from Chicago are like, can you believe that the Bears are actually like leading? And I was like, is that true? That's what people care about right now. But I said, listen, there's two things you can do. What most people do is they try to figure out what kind of content can I make that people actually are interested in. You know, we are in the business of trying to inform an audience on what they want, but also not just giving them red meat. Right. The point is, can I cover new subjects you are interested in? So what we found inadvertently is that space weather stuff does.

[Phil Labonte]

There's a nine and three.

[Tim Pool]

Nine and three, Right. It's massive.

[Phil Labonte]

Very good.

[Tim Pool]

Seriously. And so. But anyway, when we talk about space weather and the auroras, we get massive viewership. But we don't just do that because we think we'll get massive viewership. We actually, we're all genuinely interested. You know, Shane's here and he's talking about it. And then I've interviewed Ben Davidson before. And so, you know, again, telling Jeremy, I was like, you can do things like that and try and figure out you have an audience. They're asking for commentary. Are you providing the commentary they're asking for or you do a Candace does and show old taxman going back 2018. You can make vague insinuations that they can't sue you over and then be vague enough to where people think there's a grand conspiracy and do a true crime drama where you accuse the French first lady of having a dong and you will get millions of views and you will make lots of money for which now I think it's, I don't know, a fortune is saying that she makes around 10 million a year. And I just, I'd estimate more than that.

[Eliyahu]

So that's to say you don't think she's just ignorant. You think she's with malice for financial gain and social media clicks.

[Tim Pool]

Malice in the legal sense. I think that she is fully cognizant of what she's doing. And I, I do not say it lightly that I think she's a genius. Right. You know, it reminds me of that Harry Potter line where Snape says, you know, Dumbledore is a great wizard and Bellatrix, it's all mad. He's like, he is a great wizard and only a fool. Yeah, Candace Owens is ridiculously smart. I've told the story. I went on her show when she's Daily Wire and I was shocked by how quick witted, intelligent and well read she was. Even before the show, she, she knew all like current news. I'm like, she must be reading nearly as much news as I do to know what she knows and to put these dots together, she's very, very intelligent. So when I see the things she's saying and I know these techniques in manipulation, like when she said, I'll be off the air this week. As an update, I've. The White House has confirmed receipt of the assassination plot against me. It's manipulative language intentionally to trick people into thinking she's going into hiding because of an assassination plot.

[Nick Freitas]

And I saw an account today that's following all this and they say, well, the White House has confirmed the threat. No, the White House confirmed receipt indeed of the threat. That this is an important distinction. This isn't minor. And again, I go back, I have not, I have not spent any time on any of my show or my social media going after Candace Owens for any of this stuff. Right. I'm like, whatever. But my issue comes down to, okay, fine, once again, if you're going to make this sort of accusations, if it were me, if you were making these accusations about people I loved, I would want more evidence than what you're presenting. The other thing that I don't understand is this. If you honestly believe that you are, you have uncovered something that could potentially blow the lid off of one of the most consequential conspiracies. And I don't say conspiracy pejoratively, I mean into the actual word and what the word means. What? Okay, look, I've done a little intel analysis in my, in my life where I was tracking terror cells. My father was a homicide detective and he will tell you that if you really do have all of these sources that are providing you information, every time you go out there and publicly talk about private sour is close to people that are doing it, you essentially destroy that source's ability to give you future information because now they lose access and placement as the organizations that you're investigating shut down. So my, my question is this for anybody that is, is again, just genuinely interested in this. And you know, again, there's plenty to be interested in. If, if your goal is really to get to the truth, to the bottom of what happened, what really happened with Charlie, if that is, if that, why would you go about doing it this way as an investigation. I know why you would do it as a content creator. I don't know why you would do it as someone that's trying to get to the bottom of, again, a horrific crime.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I watched her show today. It's very female coded and that means she talked a lot about Charlie's clothing and it was very much like Charlie was trying to find something to wear. And I said, you can't wear that jacket. And it's very emotional, social female coding. Guys don't talk or think this way. And that's why she also has the Stanley, you know, thermos or whatever. It's a. It's a very female trendy thing. And it's been reported previously that it's she's she and Brett Cooper and others. It's the womanosphere, right? The trad wife, prominent conservative women. It's a true crime drama and it plays really, really well among women. Oh, hey. Welcome to gift wrapping. Whoa. So we Saldana.

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Eliyahu]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Eliyahu]

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[Eliyahu]

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[Eliyahu]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

I guess I don't need proof.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I don't want proof. The issue is it's kind of a bold, ridiculous, and hard to prove thing that is gonna land on defamation, per se, which is. It is so humiliating and damning because it's not just that Bridget Perone is a man, but apparently Candace has also insinuated it's a pedophilic network or something. Or at least that's what people are posting online saying, it's not just about this. There's more here. That. And apparently there's some reporting that. That Candace has claimed Bridget McCrone may be Emmanuel McCrone's dad. Yeah, but that makes no sense because Bridget McCrone is much smaller. But whatever, I guess. But here's the real reason. When the French government says, we're going to your courts, the way the world works is not some rigid contractual letter of the law math. People can consistently fall for this. They believe that. You know, there's a viral clip. I watched the Thomas Crown Affair where Pierce Brosnan signs the contract, and then they start busting out laughing like, we got you. And then he gets up and says, now explain to your board why you paid 30 million more than everyone else offered. And they look all shocked. But the thing is, if you ever signed a contract and then as soon as you signed it, the guy started laughing, saying, they got you, that contract is not gonna be binding. You're not gonna go into a court, and the judge is gonna be like, was there something in the contract you didn't read? Be like, yeah, we absolutely did not agree that I'd signed over power of attorney. That judge is going to be like, okay, contract is out. Just. Just by. It's. It's the stupidest idea. So here's what really matters. When the French government says, we want to stop Candace, this I I imagine what happens is, you know, Candace has claimed Trump called her and told her, like, you know, maybe you got to back off the story or whatever. Okay, if the. If the. If the McCrones were actually trying to stop Candace, likely. I think the most likely scenario is they call the State Department and they say, this is causing us problems in our country, and we don't want these tensions. And the State Department says, what can we do about it? And then all that needs happen is Emmanuel Macron says, listen, we are telling you to make it stop however you can, and if you don't, there's gonna be problems. And France is massive. So it's not like France can control what the United States does, but the US has to negotiate with France, has to cut deals with France, has to. Has to work with France and NATO, and they don't want problems, and it's stupid. So likely, what I'd imagine happens, State Department says, file a lawsuit, go through the normal route, and we'll make sure you win. I don't see a reality where Candace goes up against the French government and the US Backs her over a NATO ally.

[Eliyahu]

So here's the thing here. Candace Owens is clearly an extremely savvy media operator. She is very charismatic. Some people would even say she's easy on the eyes. She is also a good DEI commentator for right wingers to put on this sort of pedestal. And, you know, it's really unfortunate that she's really willing to peddle bullshit and rumors and spin up fake narratives to try to get clicks. It seems. It's clear to me that she has an ax to grind. I don't think this is just ignorance. I think what she knows, she knows that she's spreading stuff that is bs, but she believes it will get her clicks. And I believe somebody wronged her in the past, and she is trying to, like, avenge that.

[Phil Labonte]

So you think that it's an ax to grind as opposed to just trying to capitalize on what is a hot story?

[Eliyahu]

It's a few. I think it's both. And also, this gives her endless amounts of attention. This lawsuit may cost her a lot of money, but her husband is allegedly worth over 200 million. He has a lot of family money, and he's, I believe, allegedly the former CEO of Parler. So, you know, the amount of attention that this is giving her, you know, she knew that this. I don't know if she believes what she's alleging about Bridget McCrone, but I think she does know that'll bring her a ton of attention. It's a transvestigation of obviously, like, you know, a very prominent woman, a prominent European leader's wife.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you have evidence that she's a woman?

[Eliyahu]

The evidence was that or the evidence that she was a man was from two French bloggers or something. And they just had a couple of pictures of them of her looking like a man, allegedly. But I think as far as the, the media savviness goes, though, if you're trying to get your name out there, you want a lot of, to put a lot of bullshit out there and then have them get mad at you and sue you because, like, this is the Streisand effect at hand. And then I think there's also to say something to say about all the other bullshit she pedals because she's been pushing a lot of dumb stuff for a while. She actually said Stalin was Jewish. I don't know if you guys remember that Lyndon Johnson. Something about the Frankists. I mean, there's a long list of.

[Tim Pool]

Random that Lyndon Johnson was Jewish. Listen.

[Eliyahu]

And then I think she was also a flat earther for a little bit. If I pedal. Whatever. And then. I'm sorry, one last thing. She'll get like, messages or alleged tips and just, I don't know, won't vet them at all. For example, earlier, when she said something about like a text message about Andrew Colvay allegedly getting money, it's just like, yeah, somebody texted me this and that's like, that's it. Well, somebody could text you anything. Like, I have a source that says such and such a lot. But if there's no vetting, I want.

[Phil Labonte]

Her number so I can text her.

[Nick Freitas]

About the ice wall?

[Tim Pool]

Hey, hey, can you text me right now that you think Candace works for Israel so that I can then say on the air, I've just received a tip that Candace works for Israel?

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, it's ridiculous. There's no vetting. And it's just like, some people are dumb enough where the rhetoric, the way she phrases things could come off like, to a, to an unmedia savvy person, like, oh, this is convincing.

[Tim Pool]

This is, this is basic manipulative rhetoric, social engineering where you say things so that the other person makes an assumption and then you can't be held liable for it. And you always have plausible deniability. That's. That's the game she's playing. That's why everyone keeps pointing out she's making insinuations. And then people go, she never said that. No, but she said 80 things where the sudoku puzzle concludes Well, I wish.

[Nick Freitas]

I wish at some point people would think about this from the standpoint of, okay, if somebody was saying this about you, would you think to yourself, oh, well, they didn't say me, or would you think they're obviously implying me? And all I want from this, especially because there's a lot of conservatives watching. This is, do, do we still believe in like standards of truth? Do we still believe in like objective standards?

[Phil Labonte]

We are in a post truth society.

[Eliyahu]

Not if it confirms my priors. If it confirms my priors, then it does not matter if it is.

[Tim Pool]

But this, this is the point of vagaries.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If someone believes, you know, five untruths and you come out and say something that is incongruous with their worldview, they reject you. But if you say something very vague, let them fill the dots in, you're correct. And that's how she builds mass audience, by being correct to everybody. Because she's actually not saying anything specific. She's letting people fill in the gaps of what they want to believe. What I do want to say real quick though, you know, if I were to say Bridget McCrone is a hog, okay, I can't be sued by the French government for that. But when you say that Bridget Macron's a man, you're getting into defamation per se territory where you are accusing someone of some kind of. It's something disgusting and humiliating which is inherently in and of itself detrimental to you, your life or whatever. I think she's going to get Alex jonesed, but I think they're going to come, they're going to take everything from her. I, I can't understand what she thinks the long term play is. That's why I can't, I can't, I don't.

[Eliyahu]

Well, her husband's rich. I don't think she's, she's financially secure, no matter what.

[Tim Pool]

They're married. He's on the, on the hook too. They're going to go for him. He's going to, his company's in named in the lawsuit.

[Phil Labonte]

I wonder if he.

[Tim Pool]

Well, presumably they say, I wonder if.

[Phil Labonte]

The British government would protect him if he's.

[Tim Pool]

Aren't they based in the us I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

But if he's a lord, if he, if he's somehow involved.

[Nick Freitas]

I don't, I don't know. I don't know how, I don't know how, how passionate Keir Starmer is about. I don't imagine about the peerage in the uk.

[Tim Pool]

Would it be like really funny if just like the UK and France go to war for the first time in like 800 years because Candace called Bridget McCrone a man.

[Eliyahu]

I think one of the reasons why.

[Phil Labonte]

This is so, Yes, I think the.

[Eliyahu]

Reason why this is so important is because this actually, I think like conspiracy driving conspiracies really drives draws away from people dealing with like, legitimate politics that they could have the potential to influence. So instead of learning about your local congressperson or what they're doing in the House and Senate, or what's going on in the Supreme Court, no, we're paying attention to whether or not Bridget Macron has a cock or whether or not Charlie Kirk was murdered by Israel.

[Tim Pool]

Although baselessly though, that, that's, I have a correction too. I should say start the first war in 200 years. Sorry, it hasn't been that long. They've actually fought not that long ago. But I, I, I to what you are saying, Elad, this is the point about declining viewership and ad rates may, maybe it's fair to say that candace actually does 10 million because no advertiser really wants to be on a show about Bridget Macron having a dong. Advertisers want to be on normal content. They want to be on sports. Everybody's watching, they're relaxing, nothing's offensive. You know, it's just fun stuff. And, you know, perhaps when she makes this kind of weird content, she gets more views, she does make more money than the average political commentator, but the CPMs are actually still very low.

[Nick Freitas]

The thing that has always struck me about this, I remember when Candace first started making these claims and I was like, okay, you know, like, look, I remember a time where I watch a lot of things Candace was doing and appreciated her commentary and appreciated her contributions to the conservative movement. If she's very convinced, I, I just would like to see substantial evidence to back it up. And, and again, I, I really thought, I had really thought that the majority of sympathy in this entire case was going to be for Erica. And what is, what has shocked me is I feel like it isn't. And, and again, if you're, if you're going to, if you're going to imply, going to insinuate that Erica, if she wasn't directly involved, knew something about it, let it go, is, is, is hiding truth or whatever it is, just please show me something significant to justify that. Because again, I go back to, I think about this from my perspective. If somebody did this to my wife after I was gone, I would be furious. Unless they could actually produce hard evidence.

[Tim Pool]

The last thing I'LL say on this before we go to the next story is she will never be sued by Turning Point. Turning Point usa. Oh, boy, do they have grounds to sue Candace Owens. But they're not going to. They're not going to because the law doesn't work to, to, to protect you or any meaningful way. Like I told us before, that we had someone commit a crime on our property and then threaten us. They got arrested and charged, and then they threatened to use the legal process through this criminal charge almost like it was intentional to exploit it and gain access to private information and other information. And they made the argument that in order for our defense, we need access to private information. And we were like, okay, drop the charges. Then we're. We're not going to. We can't. And so here's what happens. If Turning Point were to sue Candace Owens, there would be depositions and discovery, and they'd be required to turn over certain communications which I'd imagine are going to be embarrassing. And depending on the context, they can be incriminating over certain issues. I'm not saying in the killing of Charlie Kirk or anything like that, but there's going to be conversations about donors, things that she will then use on her show.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it will give her a year's worth of content. So they can do nothing about her saying any of this stuff, and she'll just keep saying it. And the fascinating thing is she's. She's been able to get more than 2 months of content out of saying nothing. No evidence. No real.

[Nick Freitas]

Can we, can we distinguish something? Because I hear people the same. She brings the receipts. She has the evidence. Like, okay, what. Well, let's look at what. What do you consider to be evidence? So if you look at flight logs and you say these flight logs are interesting. Okay. You could present that as. That is evidence of what? Yeah, like, that's the, that's what I want. I can, I can. I can essentially conjure up just about anything as evidence of something suspicious.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

But there's a big difference between I find this to be suggestive or I find this to be interesting versus this proves X. And, and that's the part that I, I'm seeing people throw around this word evidence as if it's proof of something that it isn't proof of. It might be interesting if you connect certain dots. It may be. It meet whatever, but it's not evidence. And I guarantee. I guarantee you nobody here would want to be convicted in a court of law based off of the evidence that has been presented, you would be furious. You would think it was a huge miscarriage of justice. And yet I'm watching people say, well.

[Tim Pool]

See, I have a question for all the Candace fans out there. It's an honest question, you know, and I've, I asked this question a couple times before, but why is it that she has a huge podcast and she's not getting banned? Nick Fuentes got banned on Spotify, not her. She's, she's number one. She's on the front page of YouTube recommendations for everybody who subscribes. She gets millions of views. She gets massive live viewership. I thought, you know, it's actually her own words that if you criticize Israel, you'll get suspended, banned and censored, but not her. Why is it that the person who claims that Charlie was betrayed is actually the one trying to destroy his legacy in the company that he built, Turning Point? You know, Andrew Colvette and Erica and the rest, you know, Tyler Bowyer and the rest of them at Turning Point are fighting as hard as they can to keep Turning Point alive. You don't gotta like Turning Point. I'm not saying they're good or great. I mean, they were under Charlie. I think they were fantastic. As to where they are now, we'll see what happens. Obviously we're not going to be there. So, you know, I'm not, It's not like I've got, I'm happy with the direction it's going, but she's actively trying to destroy Charlie Kirk's legacy. So the question is, who really betrayed Charlie Kirk? Well, because if, if Charlie were still around, like, if Charlie could speak, do you think he'd be like, oh, gee, thanks, Candace. Thank you for telling all the donors to abandon Turning Point usa.

[Nick Freitas]

Well, here's my, here's my. I'll put it differently. Candace Owens, based off of what she's done here and what she's been know putting out there, Candace Owens, there's only one of two possible options. She is either Charlie Kirk's greatest friend who stood up to everybody when they called her a liar, or they called her psycho that she was. She is either that or she is a horrible, betraying villain in this story.

[Tim Pool]

Go with that one.

[Nick Freitas]

That's maybe so, but my, you see what I'm saying? That's the point. I, I'm seeing a lot of people analyze this. It's like, wait a second. No, no, no. If you look at the claims that she's made, it's one of the two. It's one of the Two.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, it really breaks down on one issue though. I feel like, I feel like if you have how you feel about one particular issue really prescribes how you. Whether or not you think she is a villain or not. I don't even need to say the issue, but you could tell she's laser focused on it and she'll drag it into everything else. So it really begs the question because she used to have a great relationship with the Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro and then that had to happen for one reason or another. And, and the same thing with Turning Point. She hasn't been to Am Fest for years, as I understand. She hasn't been a speaker or collaborating with Turning Point for years before this happened. You have to wonder what made that fall through and maybe something right, but.

[Tim Pool]

Let'S just put it like this. I mean, she had. What was it originally? She was like a liberal and she had a doxing site and she was after conservatives and she got criticized for that. But everybody can change, right? Then she had red pill, black and blexit. She. She starts working with the Daily Wire and then has a falling out with them. Then she starts.

[Eliyahu]

She.

[Tim Pool]

While she's been working at Turning Point, the same time she has a falling out with them. Then I believe it was the end of 23. She stops doing formal events for them. Remaining Charlie's friend. My, My opinion on everything as it went down is that the reason Charlie stayed friends with Candace was diplomacy. It's actually quite simple. Charlie was very intelligent and he built a coalition and he brought a bunch of different factions together under one umbrella. So when he's texting with Candace and saying, yeah, you know Ben, oh man, I know exactly how he is. He's trying to stop her from raging, from crashing out and causing problems and doing what she's doing now. So Charlie, she's basically removed from Turning Point. She's no longer involved for the most part. But Charlie stays in contact, saying, listen, like we're friends, please don't hurt me. Now that Charlie's gone, she's like, I will destroy everything Charlie has ever built. Let me just stress this. There is no excuse if you like Charlie Kirk and the work that he did, telling everyone to pull their donations is simply to destroy the organization. By all means, you can be angry with Colvette and maybe Erica's leadership, whatever you might think, maybe you think someone else should come in and run it, but the response should be donors should all email and ask for new leadership, not destroy it and pull all your money out. Which which burns Charlie's legacy to the ground. I think if there's anyone who betrayed Charlie Kirk, it is Candace Owens. And she has proven it time and time again.

[Nick Freitas]

Well, like you said, it would be one thing. If you said, here's all the evidence, Donors pull your money. That would be one thing. But it's. I've got a bunch of evidence. I'm going to do it later. But donors pull all your money right.

[Tim Pool]

Now before I can prove it.

[Eliyahu]

The consequences of conservative dei and we're reaping what we sowed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but. But I'll say it again. I mean, Candace is. Is very smart. I mean, look, man, I think.

[Eliyahu]

But I guess she could be both at the same time.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna tell a story that's gonna get me in trouble. I don't think I told the story before. I'm. Tell the story to get me in trouble. All right, let's get in trouble. I worked for Vice, and they were for always trying to get this cable channel. I'd gotten some people hired there who are friends of mine who understood social media and live streaming. And I end up leaving the company. But news broke that Vice had gotten a Rogers Telecom deal, or teleco, whatever the word is. This is Canadian cable channel. And congratulations to Vice at the time. This is back in like 2014 or something. Wow. And so my buddy hits me up and he's. He's, you know how things are going, you know, because I left the company. And he says, it's great. I'm going to be doing production for the. For the news show on the cable channel. And I went, really? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, really, though? I mean, you're not. You're not gonna stay where you're at working on, you know, like, domestic news, livestream stuff? And he's like, no, no, I'm doing the new stuff for the. For the cable channel. I was like, so they gonna move you to Toronto or what? And he goes, why would I move to Toronto? And then I said, for the cable channel. And he goes, why would I move to Toronto? And I said, because it's a Rogers Telecom deal for a cable channel. And he goes, dude, what are you talking about? I said, the cable channel's in Canada. So here's what happened. He told me that Shane Smith, the CEO, held a meeting. They had been having conversations throughout the year that they were working on getting a cable channel, and it was their big dream to get a cable channel. And everyone makes an assumption when you hear that, which is.

[Nick Freitas]

What?

[Eliyahu]

That he has to move to Canada?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. When someone says, I want to start a cable channel, what do you immediately in America.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, yes.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody thinks New Zealand. So. So Shane comes out.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And the story I was told that he comes, he's got all the employees there and he says, we did it. We got our cable channel. Everyone starts cheering and screaming. They immediately start working on production, all under the assumption that they made that he meant we got our American cable channel. So my friend that I helped get hired and is now going, like, I didn't know that. And I said, well, you know what's going to happen if you go to him and say, I don't want to go to Canada. He's going to say, I never said it was in America. That's the manipulative language that you use to keep people in line. You let them believe what they want so they feel good about what's going on. Because if he came out and said, guys, we didn't get the American cable channel. We do have a slow start though. 30 million households in Canada through Rogers Telecom. People would go, that sucks. Instead he says, we did it. It. What does it refer to? That's the, that's the manipulative language used by powerful people. This is what Candace does. So when she comes on her show and says they betrayed Charlie, she's already said it feels like an inside job. So what else could she be insinuating? And then her Diehards with 5th grade reading levels are like, I am going to fill the dots, whatever. I want to be true. So insert. Whether it's France or Israel or Turning Point or the CIA or the Deep State or Netanyahu himself. It was really funny. I had a guy tell me this over the weekend. I, I couldn't, I couldn't tell. He looked like he might have been Pakistan or something. But he said, the Shapiro's killed Charlie. Candace. He said, Candace is right. He's like, I love, I love her show. The Shapiro's did it. And I said, I'm not kidding. I was like, the Shapiro's? Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And I was like one of Ben's kids, right.

[Tim Pool]

I was like, he didn't know. He didn't mean Ben's family. He meant Ben's extended family.

[Nick Freitas]

Oh, ok. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But enough of this.

[Eliyahu]

Let's, let's. Let's talk about some killing for three third to third worldists, Literally.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this inane story from NBC News. Sabrina Carpenter slams the White House for using her song in evil and disgusting Social media video. Okay, let's play the evil and disgusting social media.

[Nick Freitas]

I wasn't probably going to watch it, but I want to see it.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Have you ever tried this one? Have you ever tried this one? Have you ever tried.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[T-Mobile Representative]

This one?

[Tim Pool]

The White House. Is that it?

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so she's salty. Where's the response? She said this video is evil and disgusting. Do not ever involve me or my music to benefit your inhumane agenda. She got 834,000 likes, bro. If I've ever seen a ratio, this is the ratio. I mean, she's got 126,000 retweets. 834,000 likes. And I, I gotta be honest, the White House, they try to do a lot of these memes, but I got. They're getting pretty cringe.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, I disagree. I think the White House edits have been crazy, especially that Theo Vaugh one, which he was also very big.

[Tim Pool]

The Franklin one, those. But, but, but to be honest, he didn't make that one up. Have you seen the new Franklin that are going. The Franklins are going viral. Franklin's the new Pepe. My favorite one is Franklin.

[Eliyahu]

What?

[Tim Pool]

What is it? It's like Franklin grows tired of, of immigrants acting strange and he's sitting there all like angry and it's like a Mexican fox and like an Arab squirrel or something. Oh, no, bear cub.

[Nick Freitas]

I like. I went over to the Franklin's page on X and they were talking about how they're really big on, you know, inclusivity and the whole deal. But then they shut off their comments to only people that they allow you to like. Oh, we're not that inclusive.

[Phil Labonte]

There's a lot of people are talking or she's talking about how it's evil or how it's. It's immoral and whatever. And Sabrina Carpenter has used a lot of set. What people would consider sacrilegious imagery and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a little pot calling the kettle black. You know, she doesn't like the White House used it when it comes to enforcing immigration law, but she's perfectly comfortable with insulting Christians and, And you know, let's talk about the rise out of people.

[Tim Pool]

Here are the memes that work celebrates kill.

[Nick Freitas]

Those are. Oh my gosh. I never thought I'd like a Canadian cartoon this much.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, let me try and find some more of these.

[Phil Labonte]

Beautiful.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, okay, here's. Here's the best one. Franklin grows tired of immigrants and their behavior.

[Eliyahu]

The Baron of burka.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah. You know what?

[Tim Pool]

I really Love about these though as I was pointing out earlier is that no one knows what turtles look like. He's. It's like he's wearing the shell. Yeah. People need to understand the shell is its spine.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Turtles are like the shell is their spine. They are not wearing the shell. I guess people watch too much Ninja Turtles.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, they do.

[Eliyahu]

In their behavior.

[Phil Labonte]

They think that you can, they can actually go inside the shell.

[Nick Freitas]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Nick Freitas]

Look. Ninja Turtles was a documentary of Trump giving Franklin the presidential.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's because Logan hall responded to Kids can press who owns Franklin saying sorry, but Franklin belongs to us now. Look at the. Why is the fox a Mexican? Oh, he's like Mexican. And then you've got this beaver. What is this? Is this like seek? Yeah, that's what I thought. But then what is this? Squirrel.

[Nick Freitas]

Oh yeah. Maybe this.

[Phil Labonte]

That's. That's. Yeah, just a regular turban.

[Tim Pool]

Just a regular turban. And then there's a Muslim bear cub with a briefcase.

[Eliyahu]

For some reason it's impressive that you noticed that. Noticed that one. As a Sikh there was a Republican congressman who just thought all Siks were also Muslims. Oh, it's cultural nuance that you have there.

[Tim Pool]

That's actually a really sad, very well known story of a. A Sikh man who was murdered after 911.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Where was that Was like New Mexico or something, right?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He was just like mind been some. Someone thought he was a Muslim and killed him. That's crazy dude. That's horrifying.

[Phil Labonte]

Stupid people. Unfortunate.

[Tim Pool]

We got angry Baron stain bears. Here's one. Franklin.

[Nick Freitas]

Oh, Franklin's been radicalized.

[Tim Pool]

How is he wearing. Look at the coat. How is he wearing that coat?

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What is like the shell is hanging like a backpack.

[Nick Freitas]

Can you suspend reality just a little bit? Just suspend disbelief a little bit.

[Eliyahu]

The immigrants were learning there too about, about Floyd's autopsy.

[Tim Pool]

So I guess the White House responded to Sabrina Carpenter. They called her stupid. Is that all that. I. I don't know. What did they post? They posted on the White House or something.

[Phil Labonte]

I believe it was a big long post too. Look, if you're going to reply, if you're going to, you know, clap back, it can't be long. It can't be some big multiple paragraph reply.

[Nick Freitas]

It's not a dissertation.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's got. That's why your mom works. So. Yeah, your mom.

[Nick Freitas]

I gotta, I gotta say I've been pretty impressed with, with DHS and, and their, their troll game has been pretty good.

[Phil Labonte]

I think it's, I think it's Fun.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

There are a lot of people that are. That are all kinds of offended because the. They say that it's beneath the White House, etc. But nobody was complaining when Barack Obama was slow jamming the news.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

You know on. On late night every chance that he got. So, you know.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah, I'm kind of. I'm over the. I'm offended by this. Like, oh, okay. I don't care.

[Eliyahu]

Yep.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah, you're offended by everything.

[Tim Pool]

My response is more so like, ah, I'll do it more often than.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, whatever I got to do.

[Phil Labonte]

To thank you for telling the troll.

[Tim Pool]

Can't even. I can't even find their responses. Do we have.

[Eliyahu]

Was from Abigail the spokesperson.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, so she responded.

[Eliyahu]

She responded. Abigail Jackson, the White House spokesperson.

[Tim Pool]

From her account, I believe.

[Eliyahu]

From her Twitter account.

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

Labeled carpenter stupid in a statement. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't know. I don't. I, I. It's not even worth. You can't even find it. Like that's how, that's how insignificant the responses was.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said, clapback facts have to be short, concise. That's why your mom works so well. Like look, if the White House just replied. The White House replied with your mom. Everybody be like, bo. You know.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, hey, welcome to gift wrapping.

[Nick Freitas]

Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

So we Saldana.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Hey, can you wrap these, please?

[Nick Freitas]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

IPhone 17s.

[T-Mobile Representative]

You splurged at T Mobile, you can get four iPhone 17s on them. The new center stage front camera is amazing for group selfies. It's the perfect gift for everyone.

[Tim Pool]

I'm the worst.

[Eliyahu]

I only got my mom a robe.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Well, it's better than socks.

[Eliyahu]

So I have to trade in my old phone, right?

[T-Mobile Representative]

No AT T mobile. There's no trade ins needed when you switch. Keep your old phone or give it as a gift.

[Eliyahu]

Incredible.

[T-Mobile Representative]

In fact, wrap up my old phone too for my aunt Rosa. Forget that. Aunt Liz will be jealous.

[Eliyahu]

Sounds like my family drama.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Oh, I got it. I'll give it to my abuela. I'll take reindeer paper with. Hey, where are you going?

[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

Have been a much better reply.

[Eliyahu]

Look, I think they like this as a distraction. I think posting memes and like, Sabrina Carpenter's response got more millions of impressions than anything else I think that the White House put out today. So I think they utilize this as a good distraction when they need one. But they are putting out fire memes. The DHS and White House Twitter account runners probably need a raise, and that's that new frontier that they fight on online. The meme wars.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, it does matter, right? I mean, there is an argument to be made that Donald Trump got memed into the White House in 2016. All the, the, the people online that were constantly flooding social media and stuff with pro Donald Trump memes really did have an effect on, you know, popular culture and the way that people perceive Donald Trump.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's funny is were. Were you at the Pentagon today a lot?

[Eliyahu]

No, I was at Congress.

[Tim Pool]

Ah, okay. So all these news reports popped up where they were like, you know, Tim Pool and Laura Loomer and Jack Posobic or at the Pentagon today. And I'm like, I'm. I'm not at the Pentagon. It's. It's, it's all fake. It's all fake.

[Phil Labonte]

Peanut butter and jelly. Peanut butter and jelly.

[Tim Pool]

Shout out to my best friend in the poker room, Ken, because he was asking me about this. You signed that pledge for Trump. Whatever. And I was like, I filled out a press application so I can go to the Pentagon one time to do a podcast one time. Because sometimes people interview other people. Like, it is crazy that the perception they created in the press over the Pentagon thing is that we were all signing a loyalty pledge to the president when I was literally like, hey, guys, why don't we try and do. Why don't we try and book Pete Hegseth? And then they came back with, he can't because he's working all the time from the Pentagon. Yeah. And then one of the people who's been on the show that we know said, maybe we can find space for you guys to come and do the show in the Pentagon. That would be cool. I said, okay. Then the team came back and said, we have to get press passes so that we can come in and do the show. And I was like, okay, well, if we're gonna have Pete Hexis on the show to talk about all this stuff, that'd be amazing because, like, having a direct access to the Secretary of War is tremendous. A lot of questions we'll have and we'll even, we've got friends with a lot of questions. Scott Hor will get questions from him and Dave and we could have these here. And so I said let's, let's fill out the thing. Next thing I know, the media is like Tim Pool and the right wing puppets showing up at the Pentagon to steal our spaces.

[Phil Labonte]

As if they weren't like, you know, falling over themselves to get access to these seats before, you know, alternative media got the opportunity. Like they, they thought that those seats were theirs.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I remember when the, when the White House correspondents are. The press room in, in the, you know, a lot got in there and, and other people from, from, you know, alternative media got in there and they were behaving as if something that they owned.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Had been taken from them. And it was an affront to journalism, you know, in, in its entirety that someone that they disapproved of was there asking questions of the White House. And it's, it's that, that, what's the word I'm looking for? It's elitist, they believe.

[Nick Freitas]

Elitist.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, definitely elitist. But you know, they believe that the, the access to the President or to the White House was theirs and it wasn't for anyone else. It wasn't something that, that any other journalists should have access to.

[Nick Freitas]

Well, they had been allowed to operate that way for decades. Yeah, I mean, I was shocked when I first learned who got to decide who was in the White House because I'd always assumed it must be the White House. Nope, it was, it was this incredibly far left organization that essentially had the authority to decide who made it and who didn't. And when Trump came in and said, yeah, we're not going to give a far left organ the ability to gatekeep access to the White House, they just infuriated. How dare you. This is because they are journalism.

[Eliyahu]

Well, ultimately it's. These people feel entitled to it, to put it a little bit more succinctly. But to be clear, they have reason to be upset because not. I don't want to, I don't sympathize with them. The reason, the reason that they get upset is because access is zero sum there. Caroline Levitt or Press Secretary Kingsley at the Department of War, they're only going to give so many questions. Pete Hexeth is only going to give Department of War Secretary of War Pete Hexith. I want to practice putting in the titles while I say all these guys name Franklin Overwhelmed at Costco. Oh, My mustaches.

[Tim Pool]

Though it's funny because a lot is, you know, giving some poignant, astute speech analysis. And Nick and I are just busting out laughing. It says Franklin is overwhelmed at Costco. And it's just Franklin looking scared, surrounded by a bunch of Indian people. Poor Franklin.

[Phil Labonte]

But there's. If you look in the. The. This one probably leads into the one that's in there now that I just posted in there.

[Tim Pool]

Just. You just post. Sent one to me. Is it. Is it going to get us in trouble? See this.

[Phil Labonte]

This is what first happens. Then that's what you get. He gets radicalized by going to Costco.

[Tim Pool]

Look at the monkey in the fox. They're filming it on their self. So for those that are just listening, it says Franklin gets a new job. And he's. He's a masked DSA agent arresting what's her face.

[Phil Labonte]

Dora the Explorer.

[Tim Pool]

The explorer. I drew a map back home. Imagine all the things they're going to find in her backpack. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Not immigration papers.

[Tim Pool]

Do you guys remember when Marvel tried making. It was called the New Mutants. Yeah. And they had safe space. And Snowflake.

[Nick Freitas]

Oh, my God.

[Tim Pool]

And they had. There was a fat female Hispanic character who had a backpack and her superpowers that you could pull any item out of it. And it's just like. That's just Dora.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, that's Dora, but it's also. The bag was a rip off of the bag of holding from dnd.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. He's just a. A DND character arc.

[Phil Labonte]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

Trying to learn how to speak Spanish, I guess.

[Phil Labonte]

Nothing's new. Why.

[Tim Pool]

Why does a monkey have a cell phone, though? The Fox, I get.

[Phil Labonte]

He looks like he document swiped it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The Fox stole the swiper.

[Phil Labonte]

He swiped it from Dora.

[Nick Freitas]

Swipe whatever I want now, Dora. Somebody put in a call that was actually.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, the monkey called the Fox is.

[Nick Freitas]

Definitely the way a swiper definitely call.

[Tim Pool]

Franklin's the new Pepe.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This is amazing, Franklin. I love that. Gross. Tired. What is it that. Yeah, yeah. Franklin learns about George Floyd.

[Nick Freitas]

Oh, man.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, Franklin, look how upset he looks. Oh, no. Did you riot for no reason, Franklin, maybe you should not have done that. Oh, man.

[Phil Labonte]

Shucks.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's talk about news. I guess. No more. No more laughing. We got this from the Post Millennial. Pentagon says all options are on the table for the investigation into Mark Kelly over Seditious Six video. Now here's what really matters from the Postman. Pentagon says WaPo falsely attributed quotes to Hexeth that he never said in report on September drug boat strike. This is actually reported in the New York Times. I want to pull up the New York Times for all the libs out there.

[Nick Freitas]

This was crazy to watch the New York Times fact check the Washington.

[Eliyahu]

It was lib on lip violence.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So the New York Times basically have, have, have countered what the Washington Post reported saying. Hagseth ordered a lethal attack, but not the killing of survivors. Officials say the reason why this is important is that the Washington Post put out the claim that Hegseth basically said double tap, that he said kill the narco terrorists, blow him up. After he did, they claimed that they were staring at survivors clinging to boats. And he said finish him off, which would be a war crime survivors. You, you capture him, right? Well, the New York Times was like we talked to five different people independently of each other and they all confirmed Hagseth gave one order, struck the boats and then left. Why then did the Washington Post lie? They are fomenting civil war. I am not saying that lightly. And all of the people chuckling and saying, haha, time to drink, Stop. You're allowed to have fun. But I want to make this point because it is very terrifying. I have explained throughout the whole year they have been saying that all of Trump's orders are illegal. They have terrified men and women in uniform. They have said when they take power back, they will arrest you for following Trump's orders. The Washington Post now put out a story claiming that Hegseth authorized a war crime. They ordered the war crime. They want you in the military to question whether or not you can actually follow these orders. Mark Kelly then went on Meet the Press and said they can tell when the orders are illegal. You've got these, these, these billboards popping up all over the place saying not what you signed up for. Communicate with us discreetly using encryption to avoid the risk. Risk of what? So when Mark Kelly is coming out and saying don't follow illegal orders, this is overt calls for civil war. And I want to make sure this is, this is very. I want to very much define and clarify this. There is never going to be a circumstance in modern warfare where someone trying to ignite a military coup goes on TV and says, I am calling on the military to engage in a military coup against the President. Now's the time. Let's take the seat of the White House because regular people will get freaked out by it. If you wanted to actually stage a coup, this is how you would do it in modern warfare. You would have your Media allies come out and say, Trump is doing illegal things. You would make up fake stories to terrify and share the confidence of our military. And then you'd have politicians come out and say, you can tell if it's illegal and you must disobey. That's where we're at. I guarantee you, with those billboards that have been popping up since October, they're already men and women in uniform who have been in contact with these organizations and have already made vows to defy the chain of command. So when people ask, how would a civil war ever happen in this country? The military is not going to turn on itself. It makes me want to just bash my face on the table. Because in 2018, when I first started talking about the prospect of civil war, the first question was, why would anyone at the federal government be fighting each other? It's a uni party. They're all aligned with each. Now we can see what's happening. They prosecute Donald Trump. In 2018, nobody, nobody believed Trump would be arrested. It's never happened. It could never happen. And then Trump got arrested, what, twice? Three times. Then all of a sudden, it was like, oh, wow, that happened, but it won't go. It won't escalate again. So back in 2018, people would say to me, the federal government is never going to allow this kind of fighting because they're too powerful and they control everything. Well, now the federal government is fighting itself, and now we're see. And people said, yeah, well, they're fighting each other, but how would the military ever line up against the military? That'll never happen. Then we saw in Texas the Texas Guard versus the Feds over the border dispute. And now we're seeing Chris Murphy say, pick an effing side. And. And. And Trump's not getting any free pass on this one. When he said, sedition is punishable by death. Like, this is all lining things up. I would not be surprised if we. If we were a year away. I'm not saying it will happen. I don't know. But if a year from now, we see Gavinism come out and say, I am seizing full control of the California National Guard, you and I am ordering all members of the Guard to defy federal court orders to obey Donald Trump. He is engaged in unlawful actions. You are hereby ordered to defy those actions. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. He's already threatened to arrest DHS ICE for wearing masks. We're already seeing criminal prosecution threats in Illinois and Oregon. It is all happening before our Eyes. I think the only move Trump has right now, and I don't think he'll do it because with all due respect, they don't have the balls to do it. I think they need to be arrested. I think they need, they need to be charged under 18 USC 2387. I believe that out front and Lamar Advertising should be fined for, for criminal violations of 1820, 18 USC 2387. And I believe that they need to go out and actually make arrests under this. Otherwise it just gets worse.

[Eliyahu]

Do you have the clip of, of how she actually responded? Because I watched this full briefing and I feel like she did it.

[Nick Freitas]

You mentioned working with partners on the Hill.

[Tim Pool]

Another senator on the Hill, the Democrat.

[Nick Freitas]

Side, is Senator Mark Kelly. Now, we heard some reporting about a possible investigation into him regarding his status as a retired retired member of the United States Navy, still in pension and therefore still still under the jurisdiction of the Uniform Code of Military justice, and.

[Tim Pool]

As such, his membership.

[Nick Freitas]

You mentioned the Seditious Six. Would that be grounds for possibly bringing him back to active service for an investigation for NJP or even a full court martial?

[Tim Pool]

So you're correct. The Department of War received serious allegations of misconduct against Senator Mark Kelly. And in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military justice and other applicable recommendations and regulations, we're doing a thorough review.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Of all of these allegations.

[Tim Pool]

And the Secretary of War has tasked the Secretary of the Navy, John for Phelan, with doing a thorough review looking into all of these allegations and providing him an update on December 10th. So we will have more information to come on that. But I would just add that this despicable video that Mark Kelly participated in with the Seditious Six was a politically motivated influence operation that was an attempt to undermine the chain of command to sow distrust and division in our armed forces.

[T-Mobile Representative]

That is absolutely ridiculous and it's crime.

[Tim Pool]

Our war fighters at risk.

[T-Mobile Representative]

And again, he doubled down on the Sunday shows.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if you all saw him on the Sunday shows, but he basically insinuated that service members who do not defy President Trump's orders could face potential prosecution in the future when Democrats are back in power. He even called our troops and likened them to those of the Russian military. This is totally disgraceful from an elected official and the department takes it very seriously. And that is why we have launched this review. Just to be clear. So Secretary Fallen were to recommend court.

[Nick Freitas]

Martial, that would be on the board.

[Tim Pool]

What was the question? Sorry.

[Nick Freitas]

If Secretary failing were to recommend court martial, that could be an option on the TABLE.

[Tim Pool]

All options are on the table at this moment in time, and we look forward to getting the Secretary of the Navy's review. And the Secretary of War has been very clear in his statements as well.

[T-Mobile Representative]

That he takes this extremely seriously.

[Tim Pool]

And it is unacceptable. I want to pull up the law for all Eliels so you can see I'm not playing around. This is illegal. This is 18 USC 2387. It's. Let me, let me pull up the penalty for it. Does it have the penalty in here? It doesn't. I'm sorry. 10 years. And let's see. Or find. Or imprison. Not more than 10 years. Whoever with the intent to interfere with, impair or influence the loyalty, morale or discipline of the military or naval forces United States 1, advises councils, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny or refusal of duty by any member of the military naval force the United States or distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises councils or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny or refusal of duty by any member of the military naval force of the United States shall be fined under this title or in prison not more than 10 years or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department of agency thereof or agency thereof for the next five years following his conviction. So this is illegal. And I'm pretty sure when you have a website that instructs you to reduce risk by using encrypted communications because you're questioning what you signed up for, this falls perfectly under 18 USC 2387, section A, subsection 2 and 1 falls perfectly. And Mark Kelly's actions falls under 1, section A, subsection 1 perfectly. They need to be criminally charged. If they are not, this will keep getting worse. If you do not use your power, you lose it. And if the DOJ is unwilling to bring an indictment, this is a slam dunk, by the way. If they're unwilling to do it, Democrats are going to keep. They're going to entrench this worldview. They're going to expand their efforts, and by then it will be too late because the military will be scared. There's going to be some young guys in the military. And they heard Mark Kelly say if Democrats win, they're going to prison.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

So they're going to say, Trump, you have to win because I don't want to go to prison. And Trump's going to go, I can't do anything about it. And they're gonna Say, then I'm with them. Because if you will not use power, we know they will. So if Trump doesn't do it, the military is going to immediately defect and go to the people willing to crush them. That's why in Venezuela, you are able to suppress the people who are fighting against communism, because the military is told, we'll kill you if you defy us, but we'll feed you if you work with us. And so people are like, okay, it's better to be a soldier well fed and fat and happy in Venezuela than one of these impoverished, poor people suffering under socialism. The military's got two choices. Are they going to follow the chain of command as they signed up to, or are they going to follow the defectors and then under the Democrats? Well, the reality is, if Trump isn't going to do anything, they're going to say, look, they got a gun to my head and you won't stop them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look it, I do still, I'm still of the opinion that the government is being very precautious about any kind, of, any kind, of any kind of legal action they take. But I do think that this is pretty clear. And I do, I would like to see, you know, see something come from, come from the investigation, I think.

[Nick Freitas]

So. I'm always, Again, my background was unconventional warfare and counterinsurgency. I mean, that's what we did as Green Berets. I'm always, I'm always cautious of the idea of the whole Alinsky rule, that their action is our reaction.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

And there is, there is something to be said for, you know, perp walking somebody out who's then going to claim that I was just, I was simply repeating what the law is. You're obligated to not follow unlawful orders. Show me exactly where I violated this by, by telling service members that they don't have to follow lawful orders. What, is that not true? Is that not in the Uniform Code of Military Justice? That's going to be their claim. Right. And, and so the question is, what do you have? That truly is the slam dunk. I understand the implication. And the thing, the thing that, again, there's, there's two things about this that really piss me off. The first one is I am so sick and tired of watching these former members of the military sit there and hold up their, their prior service and the oath we swore to the Constitution. Well, will that include the First Amendment, Second Amendment, Ninth Amendment, Tenth Amendment, Article 1, Section 8? Because I've noticed you don't seem to care about Those things. My wife said it best. She goes, democrats quote the Constitution the way atheists quote the Bible.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. Yep.

[Nick Freitas]

Right? There's. There's no real. There's no real commitment to it. It's a restriction on you, not them. Where were any. I mean, they're all saying, now, we need you guys in the middle. We need you. You know what? I remember when the guys in the military needed these guys when they were getting kicked out of the military by Eugene Veneman.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

Because they didn't want to take an experimental vaccine.

[Tim Pool]

Or the people who got kicked out because they had Gadsden flags on their Facebook profile.

[Eliyahu]

Yes.

[Nick Freitas]

Or a member of the Virginia National Guard that I'm trying to help right now that not only got kicked out, but barred from. From reenlistment. Demoted. Why? Because. Well, he belonged to a local militia.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

The local militia was actually sanctioned by their local sheriff's department and actually helped them engage in things like first responder activities. Right. And they. And they. And they knew about it for four years, sent this guy to soldier of the Year to represent the Virginia National Guard, and now they kicked him out.

[Phil Labonte]

That's super frustrating to say that, because there's a lot of. A lot of people will do things. They'll. They'll. They'll sign up to help their local fire departments. They'll sign up to help their local sheriff's departments. They're like, I'm a volunteer. And the government absolutely will look at people and say, well, I don't like his politics. Yes, he's in this. This organization. He's in this group. And he's. He's, you know, whatever. He's Pro2A or whatever. So he. We're going to say that he's a member of some kind of militia or something. And they'll target it to one individual. They won't go after the whole group.

[Nick Freitas]

No. And so there's. There's that.

[Eliyahu]

Right.

[Nick Freitas]

That aspect of it. Whereas these guys are holding up their. Their former service as justification for what they're doing now when. When we all. None of us are convinced that these guys actually care about the Constitution. The other thing that. That pisses me off is exactly what you said before. It's this idea of you're. You can't follow unlawful orders. Correct. So, Mark, Senator Kelly, show me which order is unlawful. Oh, you don't have one. Oh, it's just a friendly reminder. No, no, no. What you did was you threatened them.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Nick Freitas]

Because it's the whole idea of. How do you know it's an unlawful order. Well, it's, it's pretty easy when you look at the Uniform Code of Military justice in order to decipher between a lawful order and an unlawful order. Okay, but the fact that he said, we'll go after the people that follow this is the part where it gets into a much grayer area. Because when, when you have service members that now have to execute on orders fighting terrorism or something like that. Now it's the whole idea of, am I going to. Is there going to be a future regime, a future Congress, a future president, a future Attorney General that's going to come in and now determine three years after the fact. Oh, you know that order that you executed, which by the way, JAG cleared off on at the time that you did it, because especially when you're talking about this. I've explained this before. I've seen this. This is not the sort of thing where random guys are just going out there deciding who they want to drone for fun. It's not some random captain saying, oh yeah, let's go kill that guy. That's not how this works. Yeah, okay. What you actually have, when you have a common operating picture and you have a talk, you have, you have a tactical control area and you were actually blessing off on this stuff where it's like, okay, in S2, S3, right, Jag like, yep, good to go. Good to go. Good to go. Okay, now I execute it. Now Mark Kelly comes in and decides after the fact that was an unlawful order and we're punishing you as well.

[Phil Labonte]

And your enlisted guys are listening to, you know, you mentioned jag. Those guys are officers. Yeah, they're lawyers. They've gone to law school and they clear it. And so these enlisted dudes, these E4s, E5s, E6s, they do what they're told. And then Mark Kelly's coming and threatening them and essentially saying, look, we're going to hold you responsible if you violate the law, if you, if you violate your oath to the Constitution. And it's as, as murky and as ambiguous. He makes it as murky and as ambiguous as possible. Even though these guys got the. Okay, the thumbs up from, like you said, the military lawyers that have gone over this from, you know, tip to butt, they're like, yep, this is all good. It's. You're 100% right. It's infuriating to see.

[Eliyahu]

I agree with everything you guys just said, but I feel as though we're speaking a little bit too much in the abstract. So I wanted to add details to what we're actually talking about here. So originally the Washington Post put out an article saying that Pete Exif ordered, ordered a strike on a Venezuelan alleged Venezuelan drug boat. He said, allegedly said kill them all and then allegedly ordered the follow up strike. I believe that's what it says in the Washington Post article. The New York Times came out with a new article that says Pete Hexath only was involved in the initial strike, as I understand, and didn't allegedly give them one order. He's, he ordered a lethal strike, but not killing of the survivors. And then Pete Hexseth, Secretary of War Hexseth alleges that it's Admiral Bradley who eventually sent the follow up kinetic strike. And now Senator Mark Kelly is saying that that could potentially if, if it truly happened the way that the Washington Post is alleging that that could be a war crime. So I guess Mark Kelly is also saying that therefore, if that is the case then, and you are following the chain of command, you will still be held liable if these are unlawful orders, I guess on that part particularly, what do you think about, based on the reporting that we've seen, if that's, you know, could that, would you interpret that as a war crime?

[Tim Pool]

And the point of this is not to actually claim there's a war crime. It's to tell an enlisted guy who doesn't know left or right on the, on the legal matters, we are coming for you. If Trump tells you to do something and you do it, we are coming for you totally.

[Eliyahu]

And it harms our military readiness because now all of our soldiers need to think twice. This is the decision you're making, potentially going to compromise you in the future. But I think there are two issues at hand there. There's that issue and then there's also the issue of potentially striking, you know, people who have no means to kick back in.

[Phil Labonte]

So to your first point, and Nick, you can speak to this. You hear guys on the ground talking about how the rules of engagement are, are, have been detrimental to actually accomplishing the mission. Like, can you go ahead and expand on that idea so people understand, so.

[Nick Freitas]

Give you an idea like I'll just use Iraq as an example. In 2008, the amount of trouble we had to go through to get outside the wire and actually conduct military operations, it was, it was far more intense than anybody would think. It looked more like law enforcement operations than you would think, like an active combat area. So this is something where like I had to secure warrants. I remember going out, we launched an Operation to get a guy for which we had, I think, 10 different sworn statements from Iraqis. Yeah, this guy's a terrorist. Yeah, this guy's done bad things. And I go back and like me, I'm a sergeant first class. I'm a Green Beret, but I'm a sergeant first class. And all of a sudden I got to sit and I got to justify to a JAG officer on why this person needs to go to higher detention. So, yeah, there was a lot of us that got to the point where it's like, this is getting ridiculous. And then remember, this is also the time during the Obama administration where they were talking about they wanted to have an award for valorous restraint.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

And, and, and, and again, it's, it's about the incentive structure that you're comp. That you are creating in the minds of military personnel. Now, listen, obviously, if you have, if, if I've got somebody detained right there in front of me, I have, I have launched my operation. I've got my bad guy. They are zip tied and they're sitting over there and my commander walks in and goes, fredas, shoot that guy in the head. I'm going to look at my commander like, no, like, I know that's not authorized. That's murder. I can't do that.

[Eliyahu]

Okay.

[Nick Freitas]

But there's also questions on, on whether it comes down to repetitive strikes and things like that. Can I hit a target more than once?

[Tim Pool]

We do have big breaking news. Sorry, guys. Afton Bain, the woman from Tennessee, from Nashville, who hates Nashville, has lost. Oh. So apparently it looks like, I don't know if a decision desk is projecting Matt's Van Epps to win. So we've got this. He has made, he has, he has won. And they, and they posted this at 9:06. So actually we're 10 minutes behind.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But. And we have this in the New York Times tracking the latest. And he's, he's, he's quite a bit ahead. Perhaps going on podcasts and claiming that you hate everything about Nashville is not the way to actually win a congressional seat.

[Eliyahu]

You know, I will also mention in this, he looks like he's up six points. This was a Trump +20 district. So I don't know how impressive this margin was. It seemed as though Republicans were a little bit concerned about this seat despite.

[Phil Labonte]

That 7th district Trump was tweeting about it.

[Tim Pool]

Urban Nashville was plus 20 this district prior to this.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah. In the prior Trump election was a Trump +20. Nick, I wanted to follow up with you on one of the details here in particular, as I understand on ground it's different than what it's going on and see, correct me at any moment because I'm sure you know a lot more about this than I do. But on land people.

[Tim Pool]

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[Nick Freitas]

Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

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[T-Mobile Representative]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Eliyahu]

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[Tim Pool]

I'm the worst.

[Eliyahu]

I only got my mom a robe.

[T-Mobile Representative]

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[Eliyahu]

So I have to trade in my old phone, right?

[T-Mobile Representative]

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[Eliyahu]

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[T-Mobile Representative]

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[Eliyahu]

Sounds like my family drama.

[T-Mobile Representative]

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[Eliyahu]

Visit T mobile.com Survivors could potentially be seen as a continuing military threat. But however, when you are at sea, after you strike a boat and there are survivors just hanging on to, you know, whatever's left over of the boat, it's different. And they don't seem to pose a clear military threat. That's when an alleged second strike was ordered and people are alleging that if that's the way it happened, then it would be a war crime. Do you think that would be a war crime if it happened the way that the Washington Post is alleging?

[Nick Freitas]

That's one that I, I don't have. I don't have the legal expertise with respect to be able to definitively say one way or the other. I can't say that. Typically speaking, it's generally understood that if you have survivors of like a sunken ship or something like that to strike that again would. That would seem outside the rules to me. But I don't, I don't have a legal.

[Eliyahu]

Because I did want to, again, get to the specifics, because that's, I believe, again, I do not believe Senator Mark Kelly is justified in telling soldiers that they shouldn't follow what they believe may be illegitimate orders because the next administration might come after them. But that's what he's talking about here with these orders.

[Nick Freitas]

Look, with, with all of this. You know, we just got done talking about this earlier with Candace. With respect to how words are chosen carefully in order to avoid prosecution or avoid defamation or anything like that, it's going to be the same thing here. Right. And. And that's going to be. The question is, can you make a strong enough legal case where you could actually convict something for that?

[Tim Pool]

Now, Franklin can. Franklin.

[Eliyahu]

Franklin's.

[Nick Freitas]

Franklin's capable.

[Tim Pool]

You can pull us one. You pull us one up.

[Nick Freitas]

Well, and that's also. But look, we've also got. We've also got midterms coming up. Right. So the question is, is, are they talking about this exclusively? Let me give you an example. We just got our clocks cleaned in Virginia. Right. We're going to be paying for what just happened in the Virginia election.

[Eliyahu]

Oh, bro.

[Tim Pool]

For the next 20 years. I'm not coming back to your state.

[Nick Freitas]

For the next 20 years, we're going to be paying for what happened on election night, on. In November.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Nick Freitas]

Does anyone here think that the Democrats really just wanted to keep the government shut down because they were just so upset about some of these budget items, or do you think it's far more likely that they realize that they were impacting tens of thousands of voters in Northern Virginia right ahead of election?

[Tim Pool]

Right, Right.

[Nick Freitas]

So it's this idea that there are times. This is Sol Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. You know, our reaction is their action. Right. They want to get us to respond in a particular way. And so I do think that Trump Admin administration has to be very, very careful on how they go about this. I do think they should regularly investigate it. And I do think they should be willing to use legitimate power. This is one of the. This is one of the things that's been a huge problem for conservatives. Yes, yes. We are skeptical of the centralization of power and the use of power. We don't see government as a mechanism whereby we reward our friends and punish our enemies. But you know who does?

[Eliyahu]

The left.

[Nick Freitas]

Every single time. That is how they use it. And to your point, when you do, when you are handed by the electorate legitimate government power.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

I don't think that means that you should abuse that power, but should you exercise it to its Full legitimate force. Yes. You had better.

[Phil Labonte]

You have an obligation better.

[Nick Freitas]

Why you will.

[Phil Labonte]

You won the election because they want you to exercise.

[Tim Pool]

And now let's apply that in the, in the. In the reverse. I'm not going to be coming to your state for some time. You got Jay Jones coming in. When does he formally come in?

[Nick Freitas]

It'll be January.

[Tim Pool]

In January, it's probably the last time I drive through Virginia because we are currently living in a country where Charlie Kirk was murdered. And no matter who you think did it, whatever. I'm not here to get into that whole argument. The point is somebody wanted him dead and they made sure he was. You have Jay Jones now. A man who wants his opponent's children to die so that they will agree with him on policy. That doesn't just mean, hey, you know, if your children were brutally murdered, maybe you'll change your mind. It means there are things I am willing to do that I understand must be done to make someone change their mind. And so I'm not going back to Chicago for the holidays because. And you can look this up. You can ask Luke about it. Police in Chicago tried planting drugs on us back in. I think it was 2012. And NBC News reported how we got pulled over at gunpoint. And they. It's a crazy story, and call me paranoid, but all it takes is one day I drive through Virginia and some state trooper who's some crackpot, far left guy who's a fan of Jay Jones and believes all the crazy Nazi stuff, plants drugs, that's it. Or just turns his body camera off and then puts a bullet in me. That I doubt. It's much easier just to be like, he resisted arrest and now he's going to jail. If you want to take a piece off the board, there are many ways you can do it. And we are living in a country right now where someone was willing to murder Charlie Kirk because of his influence. When an AG comes in who expresses his desire to see children murdered for his political benefit, I am taking that very seriously.

[Nick Freitas]

I. I think I've said this before where originally, I mean, I was used to the General assembly when I got in there in 2016. And it was, if you disagreed with the Democrats, you were a racist, you were a bigot, you were a sexist. And what the use of that language was designed to rob you of moral legitimacy with respect to the arguments that you made. It was, I don't need to listen to your arguments because who cares about the opinions of a racist, a sexist, or a bigot?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

Then the language changed and the language became you're a threat to democracy, you're a fascist, you're engaging in trans genocide. That's not to rob you of moral legitimacy. That is to create a moral framework for where they can use aggressive violence against you and claim it was self defense. Now we're moving into what Mark Kelly's doing right now where it's, we will come after. We're promising to prosecute you if you follow the orders of a president we don't like. We will use the full force and power of government. Yeah. The thing that's going, about to be going on in Virginia right now is the place is going to be run like the mob. Right. Don Scott and Louise Lucas are talking to all the lobbyists right now, essentially saying, you better tell everybody that ever donated to a Republican, they better get on board. They're going to tell everybody who wants legislation before the General Assembly. You hire a youngkin appointee, you're done. Right. And then it's a question of you've got a guy like Jay Jones running the Attorney General's office. Guys, they don't have to actually convict you. They can destroy your life with an investigation.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Nick Freitas]

Just, they can, they can bankrupt you. Having to fight. They will use your tax dollars to, to crush you into the ground. But all to withdraw the investigation after the damage is done.

[Tim Pool]

They can launch an indictment against a company based in Nashville and accuse several prominent conservatives of being paid by Russians and then abandon the investigation a month later when the invest. When the, when the election's over. Yeah. And that's literally what Merrick Garland did because he is evil. And this. And it's funny because, you know, I always bring up my buddy in the poker room who's like, you're always calling Democrats evil. And I was like, well, maybe when the AG lies about you intentionally misrepresenting everything with no evidence and then you get death threats because of it, you might understand. But to the people who don't really pay attention and they're just passively absorbing news, they don't get it. And I've had to explain to people said, listen, for you to truly understand where we are, we have to go back in time 10 years and there's so much information you have wrong. So I was talking to this guy and I said, Donald Trump never called Neo. He never called Nazis. Fine people. Yeah. And it was, it's fascinating because not to single out any individual that I was just talking to, but I'll use an example from this show. When we had. What was her name, is it Tara Palmieri? She didn't know. And this was this year. She didn't know. Trump never called Nazis fine people.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

She genuinely still believed that lie. And that's the world they live in.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Not only that, but the. There I have friends that, that say. Have said things like, oh, well, you know, maybe he didn't actually call Nazis fine people, but he was there that day with them. Yeah, he was there talking. So he was at, he was at the neo Nazi rally. Even though, according to, like, Trump. I don't think he was actually in the, at the rally. He was doing a press conference.

[Nick Freitas]

He wasn't anywhere near.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Was.

[Nick Freitas]

He wasn't even near it.

[Tim Pool]

Was he in New York?

[Nick Freitas]

I don't know. But he wasn't anywhere near Charlottesville.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So, like, he didn't go there.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

People are under the impression that he was there at the rally with him and the truth doesn't matter.

[Nick Freitas]

Well, you saw what the BBC did. I mean, the BBC deliberately edited speeches in order to make it look like he had called for people to go over to the Capitol on January 6th.

[Phil Labonte]

Y.

[Nick Freitas]

The. Who was it? Matt. Matt Van Swole. He just came out and said, I just, I think it was either today or yesterday. He said, I just learned for the first time that the whole hands up, no shoot or don't shoot is a complete fraud today. Oh, yeah, just today he's like, I had no idea that this, this guy didn't. And put his hands up, didn't say, don't shoot, didn't do any of it. He literally charged a police officer, tried to take his firearm away from him.

[Phil Labonte]

In the car. In the car, yes, to get the firearm. And there was a. The gun went off. There was a bullet hole in the squad car's passenger door.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah, we all, we like, we all knew that part of the story within, what, probably 72 hours. Yeah, probably within 72 hours. There's people now, years later, going, wait, wait, what? Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Or George Floyd having a lethal dose of fentanyl and meth in his system. Yeah. People go, huh?

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they vote and they're voting for Afton Bain.

[Phil Labonte]

And the fact that, that these things are untrue and it, it was the foundation for a movement that mean, what, seven, eight years later, nine years later? Eight years later? Because I think. No, seven years later, because Ferguson was. In 2013, seven years later, literally burned down multiple cities across the country. Just massive amounts of rioting, which, by.

[Nick Freitas]

The way, were not demonstrations of left wing Ideological political violence.

[Phil Labonte]

No, not at all.

[Nick Freitas]

Not, not demonstrations of that point to.

[Tim Pool]

All of those hate trackers. The killing in Portland, the riots don't count as left wing violence.

[Phil Labonte]

No, of course not.

[Nick Freitas]

No. But, but if a, if a skinhead gang gets in a fight with a Hispanic gang over drug turf, that's right wing ideology.

[Phil Labonte]

Gang gets in a fight with another.

[Nick Freitas]

Skinhead, that's right wing violence.

[Tim Pool]

Guys kill other white guys.

[Phil Labonte]

It's white supremacy.

[Tim Pool]

So white supremacist punches his wife. It's right wing violence.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And, and here's the problem. The problem is conservatives take the bait every time.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Take debate.

[Nick Freitas]

So someone, I think less so. I think less so now they, I.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe, but still prominent where I hear the debate all the time where someone will say something like the right commits, you know, way more violence. And the conservative respond with oh yeah, but the left does this instead of saying, brother, I'm not going to sit here and defend white supremacists punching anybody.

[Eliyahu]

Don't.

[Tim Pool]

We are not part of the same group.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So if you want to make an argument about white supremacists, fine. If you want to make an argument about conservatives or Republicans, whatever you want to make, fine. When they say the right is responsible for X, what they're actually trying to do is saying the run of the mill working class Republican is the exact same thing as a skinhead neo Nazi guy chasing down black men.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then, and then Republicans go, well, but the left does this or that. My response is oh yeah. If you mean right as in like the white supremacists, fine. But let's, let's separate them and we'll all agree to condemn them. Okay. Of regular Republicans. Oh, now it's zero.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, among regular liberals it's 27,000.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah, well it's this, this. I was speaking at University of Alabama on this and I would say, look, the bottom line is one, you're associating two typical conservative stuff that's done by like extremists and then you're completely negating stuff done by antifa. Right. There's an intellectual dishonesty here that has reached a critical mass. And this again, I think this all goes back to Gramsci with this whole idea of you take over culturally shaping institutions and then you use your credit, their credibility, there's stored up credibility in order to push your agenda. The problem now is, is that when you, when you use those kind of statistics to try to push this narrative that oh well, 80% of political violence is on the right. I'm looking at them now going, you understand that that doesn't cause me to go, oh my gosh, is that true? I know it's not true. Well, yeah, but this, this study said it. Or is it all that? Okay, all you have done is reinforced my belief that that institution, the people conducting those studies, the organizations that put it out there are co. Opted. They're absolutely co opted because I can go over here and I can look at a poll that was conducted where they asked self identifying liberals, moderates and conservatives, how comfortable are you with political advice, political violence? And it turns out that it's overwhelmingly the left, which oh by the way, is what I observe.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

On a daily basis. So it's like I don't again, you can't continue to wear these culturally shaping institutions as a kind of like skin suit and demand that I give them the same credibility that they earned decades ago when they actually engaged in either objective journalists or objective analysis.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, indeed.

[Tim Pool]

My friends, we're going to go to your chats and rumble rants. So smash the like button. Share the show. If you really do like it, join [e-mail] the Discord server is awaiting and community, my friends, is our strength. I did a couple, I did this video this morning talking about the radicalization of Gen Z and it's because of community issues, people don't have neighbors anymore. Well, if you go to timcast.com you click join us and you get in our Discord membership you will find a massive community of people, some who've even gotten married. But there's early shows, there's after shows. It's true. Yeah, I think we've had like five couples they met and listen, if you're a fan of the show, you probably have a similar understanding of the news and worldview. It's probably not the only show you watch, but join the Discord, you're gonna find like minded individuals and maybe you'll even disagree. Debate. But you'll have a similar moral structure and unity is our strength. Not to mention we can't do this without you. If you think the show is good and worth it, we need you to join us and help support the work that we [e-mail] but we also got a great sponsor for you. It's Backyard Butchers, my friends. Go to backyard butchers.com use promo code. Tim, you can get the 30% off and a free turkey or ham. I know Thanksgiving's over, but turkey or ham's still good. This Thanksgiving it was all about family and American Tradition and backyard butchers is still running their promo right now even though the holiday is over. But you like many others probably run into disgusting store bought big ag meat with hormones and other garbage pumped it. Well, backyard butchers is the real deal. It's real meat from real ranchers and oh man, I had a great ribeye. I'm a rib. I was a filet guy for a while but I had, I've been doing ribeye recently because it's fattier. I love it. You know what I mean? So this, this Thanksgiving the. Well I got to say it again because we're past Thanksgiving but the deal is still there so you can get the 30% off and a free turkey or ham. And backyard butchers want us to make sure everyone knew like they're still running the promo. It's still available up to 30% off. So buy your products from real ranchers, not the big ag mystery meat feedlot garbage and check it out. Shout out to backyard butchers. Thanks for sponsoring the show. You guys can go to backyardbutchers.com promo code Tim. American tradition, American meat, backyard butcher. Shout out to. Let's grab your rants and chats. We got David Flores says tonight Frederick county is having a meeting regarding data centers. Now legacy farms dating to the 1700s will be affected. There's been no studies on effects environment, light, noise or poll. More to come. Interesting. Have you been tracking the data center stuff in northern Virginia?

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Nick Freitas]

Well, so here's, here's what's, there's a, there's a big problem with this. It's one of the reasons why in Virginia this year they are probably going to try to take away land use authority from localities in order to try to push more data centers and to definitely push green energy. Like in Virginia. The issue that we have is they, they passed the Virginia Clean Economy act which is destroying our energy capacity. So what are they doing to protect the environment? Well, they're, they're scooping up farmland and forestry, destroying it and putting up industrial solar fields. Now why do they need to keep doing this to the degree that they are? Because they have to feed these incredibly energy hungry data cent. And so it's amazing how in Virginia this is going to cause, I mean this is about to cause our energy rates to just go through the roof. So it's a big issue.

[Phil Labonte]

It's, it's kind of scary to think the, the amount of power that these things need and, and to know that the, the federal government has made it so difficult to, to, to build power Plants, you know, whatever types they are. I know, I know that the left wants to see all kinds of, you know, green energy and stuff. Personally, I'm of the opinion that you don't get any more green energy than nuclear power. And if you want to start, if you want to build power, a nuclear power plant, it's like 10 years before you'll be able to get any power out of it. If you start today.

[Tim Pool]

I'm so busy all the time. I'm trying to work out this mini doc plan with Shane about the data centers in Northern Virginia, because I've told the story a couple different times, but it's creepy. A large language model instructed me on how to contact data center land acquisition to get a massive payout if I shut up, take the show off the air and sell the land. Quietly argued that the data centers effectively are their own entity. It's called the Virginia Instance, which is these massive data centers connected the NSA, the CIA, etc. They're basically, humans are basically saying, what should we do? And they're just being told what to do by the AI. And it wants to buy up all the land in this area because it needs energy transmission from north of here into Northern Virginia. And all these parcels are in the way. We've noticed the prices of land around here are skyrocketing. And to an absurd degree, we talked about it. I talked about like a bungalow five years ago was 200,000. Now it's 500 and they sell instantly. And it makes no sense. I looked at one house with my wife and it was half a million dollars for a. For 2,000 square feet. And it needed 100 grand in updates. And we were like, that's ridiculous. Sold right away. And so all of this is really weird, but the, the AI said there are Delaware limited liability partnerships quietly buying up plots of land. They're trying to create large acreages to build data center transmission lines to go into the big data centers in Northern Virginia. And it said that there are many people in the area who have quietly received exorbitant payouts for their land in exchange for privacy. That it said if you don't list your property and you email directly to the land acquisition companies, they'll offer you a premium not to go through any real estate and to do a private sale so that it doesn't pop up in the press. The reason being the news finds out that land is being purchased for the purpose of a data center and all the locals are going to lose their mind. They're going to pass ordinances so they're trying to do it very quietly and they. This, this. So I need to talk to Shane about this because we wanted to do a mini doc talking about what's actually going on and exposing it all. And we've talked about it a bit, but we've never actually sat down and planned it. So I need to go.

[Nick Freitas]

And a lot of. A lot of localities like the data centers because they look at it as additional tax revenue with. For very few services.

[Eliyahu]

Yep.

[Nick Freitas]

Because, I mean, you look at these massive data centers and that's not like 100 people in there. It's relatively few.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It's like seven.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If that a janitor and a security guy.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And there's no lights. The lights are all off because they don't need them. Creepy. All right, let's jump to the next chair. We got James Black says two things. Nick on Tim cast. It is not even my birthday. That is tomorrow. Happy birthday, me. Nothing has made me dislike Candace more than this Charlie Kirk arc for. I mean, look, listen. I really do recommend you listen to her show from today because when she posted that tweet saying, like, I've got information for you, she didn't really say anything in the show. And so I was sitting with Sean and I was like, just play it and we'll listen to it. She literally said nothing. I'm not being cute, I'm not being coy. It was patter. I was actually really shocked. It was 10 minutes of her saying nothing. I'll give you an example. It was shocking how Candace was saying so little but moving her mouth so much that it made me feel. It felt like nothing was being said. And that's something that's really important to tell people. People need to understand this. You know, when Candace was doing her show, her mouth was moving, words were coming out, but no ideas are actually being conveyed. And that's what's important to really understand here. What isn't conveyed because nothing was conveyed. She was just saying words and those words conveyed nothing. That's how I think and feel. And you know what? I wouldn't lie to you about it. I wouldn't mislead you. She was actually just not really saying anything as she was talking for a long period of time, just like I am doing right now.

[Eliyahu]

How long until she accuses you of being Jewish? Over or under three months.

[Tim Pool]

What if she's just like, she refuses anything about me, but she just attacks you?

[Eliyahu]

I'd be the low hanging fruit. I guess it would be. That's what Big looking yarmulke.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think our show generates enough buzz for her to mention.

[Eliyahu]

Oh, I disagree. I think she has a lot of respect for you and I think she knows the show is very important and I think this will get a response.

[Tim Pool]

I mean maybe, you know, the thing is like we were looking at that story talking about how much money she made there. There's. Twitch is a big problem right now with bots. There's a reason why people buy bots to make their viewership look bigger. We're not going to get, you know, so right. Right now what do we have? We've got. We're split between rum but we have 46, 000 concurrent viewers which is. It's actually really good because four years ago when we were in the off season after the 2020 election, we were averaging about 27,000 current viewers. So the show has grown its consistency and all these things. I don't need to bot or buy views or do anything like that because honestly I don't really care if it's number one, number 10, number 100. But people don't understand that Candace has one really big show she does every day and it's big. People really like it. That's great. If they like it, whatever. And so you'll hear in the press about how she's so big. Well, actually across the board I'm pretty sure we get equal to or more views than she does. As a company I've got four different shows of different subject matter and then we've got audio side, then we've got the other shows. So you know, I think if I were to stop doing five different shows and just do one, I don't think I'd get as many views as Candace but I think I'd probably get like 60, 70%. Whereas you know, Tim cast Iro does about half a million and she does like two. If I stopped doing all the other shows, the viewers would concentrate around one. One show or whatever. My point is there's a handful of. It's. You have to break down total viewership per company for view. So it's like her show's really big but it's one, you know, hour long show per day. Right.

[Eliyahu]

Do you want to hear the conspiracy about why she's still on air?

[Tim Pool]

So because she works for Israel and Israel is. And that's why Nick Fuentes is banned and she's not. Because Nick. They don't want to actually. So Nick is a wild card. No one controls and he says things that are Dangerous to Israel. But Candace has controlled opposition who literally worked for the Daily Wire and then goes rogue and disappears from the company. But then she's propped up on YouTube and Spotify as the acceptable anti Israel and she sounds crazy and everyone's disparaging her. And Nick Fuentes is banned from every platform.

[Eliyahu]

She is a dumb black woman that makes anti Semites look exceptionally low iq. Like her brand of antisemitism is extraordinarily low iq. I think anybody with any media literacy looks at her shit and goes, wow, what a moron.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, obviously you're personally offended by the things that she says and does.

[Eliyahu]

I just think it's so naked. I thought she was dumb when she was pro Israel too, which she was very pro Israel in the.

[Tim Pool]

My. My point is this.

[Eliyahu]

This is the sin of Ben Shapiro. The Jews dealing with the sins of Ben Shapiro. Platforming again, this DEI right wing commentator. And he had some falling out with her and she was really pissed about. And she goes, you know what Ben Shapiro loves? Ben Shapiro loves is they had a falling out together.

[Tim Pool]

Did they?

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, definitely they did.

[Tim Pool]

Answer me this.

[Eliyahu]

Well, I had a text that said, somebody text me.

[Tim Pool]

Answer me this, elad. Why does YouTube prop her up, promote her on the front page, make sure she gets millions of views for everything she says about Israel. Nick Fuentes can't have a YouTube channel and Spotify banned Nick when he actually got his show up. But Spotify props up, Candace.

[Eliyahu]

It's a DEI candidate. She is the DEI right wing commentator. Why you can't cancel black women. It would be racist. That's totally why.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think so.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, that's what I think it is.

[Phil Labonte]

Honestly, I think the reason that Nick catches so much flack is because Nick's delivery has always been trolly.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Things intentionally to. To get people riled up.

[Tim Pool]

Kind of like when Candace owen says, Bridget McCrone's a man.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that it's truly.

[Tim Pool]

I think.

[Phil Labonte]

I think Bridget McCrone. I mean, I think that Candace Owen believes that.

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[Eliyahu]

I think she. She doesn't use as many slurs as Nick does. And I think the slurs really gets you kicked off of the social media platform.

[Tim Pool]

I got that. I get that. But doesn't explain why he can't even have the channel. It's one thing that if he makes a channel and then they give him a strike for saying a racial slurp.

[Eliyahu]

Well, he did have a YouTube channel that was eventually canceled, but it wasn't so many strikes.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think. Yeah, but, but just like Steven Crowder, they're not legitimate strikes. Like, here's another example. Steven Crowder doesn't go anywhere near the degree that Fuentes does in his.

[Eliyahu]

In. In.

[Tim Pool]

In the hate. Or like, hates not the right word, but like the aggression, the, the. The way he insults people. Yet they give credit strikes like hotcakes. But not Candace Owens.

[Eliyahu]

Hey, maybe she got somebody and then the inside must be working with her, huh?

[Tim Pool]

Or she worked for the Daily Wire alongside Ben Shapiro. And it's, you know, I was talking to these young guys and they were like, you know, Candace Owens. You know, this is the funny thing about People are like, candace never said Israel did it. I talked to these young guys and they were like, do you. Do you believe what Candace is saying? That Israel killed Charlie Kirk? That's what they literally asked me, these three guys in their early 20s. And I was like, well, she didn't say explicitly that she. It's like implied that there's Israelis involved. And I said, but don't you guys think it's weird that she claims you can't criticize Israel, but YouTube makes her number one? And then they kind of were like, that is weird, isn't it?

[Eliyahu]

Saying that is what helps make her number one.

[Nick Freitas]

What?

[Eliyahu]

Saying that you. She can't talk about Israel. She's always a conspiracy around. That is why it's always the idea.

[Nick Freitas]

Of, I'm the victim. I'm the victim.

[Tim Pool]

It is kind of funny, though. It's like, clearly you're allowed to criticize Israel because she's number one.

[Eliyahu]

Like, it's fascinating too, because she used to be like the anti victimhood mentality type person. That used to be like her catchphrase at Blexit. I still remember those days where she's like, I'm against victimhood mentality. But now all of her content is about her.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a good one. One goat says, Candace Owens, Ian Carol, Nick Fuentes, Valhalla, and others of the future. We're done listening to these whiny, dishing out their dumb opinions. We want truth, evidence and facts. And then it's. I think it's those middle finger emojis. Tim Tool. The funny thing is, Ian Carroll once claimed I was trying to buy the Daily Wire.

[Nick Freitas]

He did.

[Eliyahu]

Crazy.

[Tim Pool]

He did. He literally came out of the story. And I don't gotta be within Ian Carroll, but he was like, Tim Pool was trying to buy the Daily Wire. And it's like, yes, yes, I have that much money. Wow. That's amazing.

[Eliyahu]

I think he also. Go on.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's just. It's remarkable the insane ish that comes out of this sector of the Internet where they were. They claimed that Daily Wire owned a portion of Tim Castle. They literally were spreading rumors that we. That they were. That Daily Wire was a minority holder of Tim Cast. And then at the same time, they said I was trying to buy the Daily Wire. It's.

[Eliyahu]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

Here we are one year on from this retarded BS doing the same thing we've always done. And it was really funny because I had someone ask me and they were like, is this true that you're trying to, like, buy out the Daily Wire? And then I was just like, first of all, that's insane. And they were like, well, what about the rumor that they own a piece of Tim Cast? And I said, give it a month. And then what happened? We signed a deal with Rumble and we announced that we're with Rumble. And we have this YouTube short that's going. That's just constantly viral about Tim Cast on Rumble. It got like half a million views in the past two days. It gets like a million. It's got 3 million views. And all of the BS these people were spewing. And I'm not saying Candace, specifically like this sector of the Internet. I was like, I'm sitting here, have a conversation with Rumble about, you know, bringing IRL live to Rumble, doing Rumble Premium. Like, we've got a bunch of big plans that we're working on with Rumble. I'm like, who makes this stuff up? It's crazy.

[Eliyahu]

I was actually reviewing some other stuff since you mentioned Ian Carroll, and it reminded me of this tweet that he released in March 29, alleging that there's an RFK Jr. Blackmail story from multiple angles that came. Candace Owens also pushed these retards, pushed so much bullshit that it's really hard to forget the actual dumb shit that they push. And again, why does this matter? Why is this an issue? It's because instead of, again, paying attention to the important political stories or engaging in politics in a serious way, it's easy to digest this stupid Netflix true crime type bullshit that really, I don't know, gets your brain going, gets the adrenaline running, but isn't necessarily true. It's not based on anything but conjecture and. And text messages that people are just sending each other.

[Tim Pool]

Quantum cool says Candace is a Fed. She's trying to destroy Turning Point USA to what, get rich and cover for extreme trans ideology? She never left the left. Her Views are full of bots.

[Eliyahu]

I think she's appealing to third World. This. I think that's what it is. I think, like, the person that you met, they're just happy when they. When she blames anything on Israel.

[Tim Pool]

There's. There's. There's what, one point, 1.6 billion Muslims?

[Eliyahu]

Maybe we should start doing. Appealing to Muslims, huh?

[Tim Pool]

Appealing to Muslims. You're gonna. You're gonna convert, you're gonna abandon.

[Eliyahu]

Oh, no, God forbid I would revert. I hate how they say that. It's the most arrogant thing could say. It's like, oh, no, you're not converted. You're coming back. No, buddy, I'm a Jew.

[Phil Labonte]

It's just like when they say Christ was a Muslim.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, everybody knows we got Yaki. And he says, why is no one talking about how weird their marriage is? No romantic talk and him attracted to her power so much that he proposed after 17 days. Nothing to see here. Is that what it was?

[Nick Freitas]

It was. Yeah. It was quick.

[Tim Pool]

Like two weeks. They got married.

[Eliyahu]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Nick Freitas]

I. I got two weeks proposed. I don't know. Two weeks of married.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna say this, guys. I really do recommend you watch the show she put out today, because I can't remember who said it, but someone in here, someone in pre production, we were getting ready to set it. It sounded like she was in love with Charlie. I'm not. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not being cute nor derisive. She talks about how she used to, like, send him texts saying, I feel like an alien. And he'd respond with, I'm a time traveler. I'm not joking. That he's like, I'm a time traveler. And you know stuff like, I believe in you. And she tells stories about how he would ask her. She was like, I was always his wingman. It really sounds like she is the friend zoned. Like she was in love with him, and he cast her aside, and she's very jealous. And maybe the reason. I'm not trying to be cute, this is.

[Eliyahu]

You think she has a thing for white men?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, isn't she married to one?

[Eliyahu]

I don't know. Yeah, married to one.

[Tim Pool]

Point.

[Eliyahu]

Is this on Charlie Kirk?

[Tim Pool]

This is not meant to be intentionally insulting or derisive. I do genuinely believe that listening to that show today where she talked about Charlie, it sounded like she was in love. And I have to imagine what she must feel knowing Erica Kirk inherited and took over what Charlie built, even though Candace was there from the beginning. And Candace got to Watch Charlie, who was her best friend and she was the wingman, go with some other woman. I think the motivation may be that Candace, she can't come out and say she hates Erica because Erica's a widow. I mean, her husband's murdered, and she knows it's a peer angle she can't take. She goes after instead Tyler and Colvette. I think Candace is just jealous that Charlie didn't want to be with her. And again, not trying to be insulting or aggressive. I think that's a genuine motivation, and I understand now. Watch the show she did today. It's not Meant to Be Cute, where she talks about the texts and she was telling him what clothes to wear on his dates and how she was the wingman and these texts about how she felt like an alien and he said he was a time traveler. I'm like, is this. Is this like a. I'm not kidding. It's like. It's like a romance novel. It's a. This is why women probably love it because she. It's. It's almost like a romance drama, like a telenova.

[Eliyahu]

I see.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not drama. She's showing text messages where he says, I'm a time traveler, and she says, I'm an alien.

[Eliyahu]

I don't speak Spanish, baby. Come on, America. Only.

[Tim Pool]

Janet's water says. Someone explained to me how Candace is on the front page of YouTube's Featured, yet the only time they put Tim cast IRL on the Featured is an episode from five years ago. And as YouTube's members only. This is the weirdest thing YouTube has featured for a year now. An old episode from, like, the first two weeks of Tim cast IRL that is members only. I don't know why it's members only. I don't know that we ever did that. Because I. I don't care if people watch the first episode.

[Eliyahu]

I get that video all the time.

[Tim Pool]

By the way, I meet, yes, Very.

[Eliyahu]

Very odd Members only in, like, a weird studio.

[Tim Pool]

Our first studio in the basement in Jersey.

[Eliyahu]

Very weird with Adam and. And it's.

[Tim Pool]

And it says YouTube featured on it, and it makes no sense. I don't get it at all. Very weird. I don't know.

[Eliyahu]

Episode of Tim cast irl.

[Tim Pool]

So you aren't, like, promoting those in any way? No. That's so weird because I get them all the time as well.

[Eliyahu]

All the time.

[Tim Pool]

It's weird. Interesting. It's so weird. I don't understand. Why won't it just promote, like, the show now? Yeah, I get that promotion and I get almost zero promotion. Wait, hold on. Maybe there's a way we can. We can. We can do something here. Let's go to that video and make a thumbnail.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's genius.

[Nick Freitas]

Need title and thumbnail. Very, very similar.

[Tim Pool]

And.

[Nick Freitas]

And.

[Tim Pool]

And have it be like. Just have it say, subscribe it Tim. Subscribe to Tim. Cast irl.

[Phil Labonte]

I've got IRL pulled up right now, and that. That specific video is over in the. On the. On the right side.

[Tim Pool]

This is premium, like, members only stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

Right on the bottom.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Featured members only.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I'm gonna pull up Breathing Elon's Musk.

[Phil Labonte]

New. New trend has kids licking toilets. Is the.

[Tim Pool]

There it is. Look at this. No joke. Yeah. There. YouTube featured right here. That's what I'm talking about.

[Eliyahu]

It's everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

New trend has kids licking toilets. Yeah, it's five years ago. The coronavirus challenge. Yep. Dude, it's. You know what I mean? We should just. If we. Maybe it's featured because it is members only, and I don't know why it's members only. It might have been that at some point five years ago. I don't know.

[Eliyahu]

The YouTube algorithm has been trash for some time, frankly, so I wouldn't be surprised.

[Tim Pool]

You know what? I'm not going to do anything. I'm going to leave it as is because it's. It's promoting it like crazy to people. But it's free advertising, so, you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I don't know why they're promoting it, but whatever. Also, this. This song, Breathing Elon's Musk is hilarious, by the way. All right, what do we got here? What is this? K. Gorski says? Enough, Candace, please. I hate to say it, but while I. I agree on the sentiment of, like, does her story really matter? It got to the point where it did. It got to the point where she put out a post and got 8 million views insinuating turning points, involved in his murder. And it's like the fifth time she's made these insinuations. So it's like. Yeah, it's. It's affecting people. All right, what do we got? All right. Larp. Laugh Love says Tim. It's only poor trigger discipline if Franklin is aiming at something he doesn't intend to shoot. So in a lot of the Franklin videos, he's got his finger directly on the trigger, and he's 0.8 luck by this. That is poor trigger discipline.

[Nick Freitas]

That's true.

[Phil Labonte]

It is portrait discipline. Fingers straighten off the drink.

[Nick Freitas]

Someone needs. Someone needs to do a. Franklin learns trigger discipline. No, because you know that.

[Phil Labonte]

You know that the. The AI generated image would be like, Franklin shot his friend.

[Tim Pool]

All right, what is this? Jay's Jason Dix says, hey, Tim. Shout out to the Pre. Shout out to the Pre show in the Discord members exclusive. Also shout out to Mark Coo. He took my job. I'm not bitter. He's a good man. Shout out to Mark. So in the Discord, we have Slick and Olivia. They host a show. And the Tim cast co hosts. Come on and join it. The Discord community runs its own shows. We don't tell them what to do. It is a community of people who build things because they want to build things. And they're wondering why you don't want to be friends with them. I think you should be by going to timcast.com and clicking join us and getting in the Discord server. It is fun. And then there's something all day, every day. If you're bored and you're looking for information, like, imagine this. Imagine there's a story that comes out you don't quite understand, and I don't have any videos up or anything. You go in the Discord and you post about it. Everyone's sharing information. And these are good people who. We have a similar moral worldview that the truth is more important than our political view on what should be. It matters what is. Because if we want to make the world work, the first thing we do is figure out what's true and then what we have to do to get to our solution. So shout out to the Discord. All right, what have we here? Crystal Gazer says Nick, my brother, was killed in January of 24 in a hit and run in Newport News, Virginia. The man who killed my brother was just sentenced to six months in jail. Without going into all the details of the case here, is there anything more my family can do? You.

[Nick Freitas]

You can attempt to appeal the decision. You're in Newport News.

[Tim Pool]

Good gosh. What's wrong with newborn news?

[Nick Freitas]

Well, let's just say the representation there isn't the best. So, yeah, here's the deal.

[Tim Pool]

You.

[Nick Freitas]

You can. You can definitely attempt to contact your state legislators and ask them about it. Now, I will say this.

[Tim Pool]

There.

[Nick Freitas]

There is obviously separation of powers between your legislatures and the. And the judiciary. So we're always careful about what we theoretically, you know, interfere with on things like that. But you can attempt to appeal the decision. You can attempt to contact the Attorney General's office if you think there's been kind of a like a tragic miscarriage of justice on that.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, hey, welcome to gift wrapping. Whoa. So isl Donna.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Hey, can you wrap these please?

[Nick Freitas]

Wow.

[Eliyahu]

IPhone 17s, you splurged at T Mobile.

[T-Mobile Representative]

You can get four iPhone 17s on them. New center stage front camera is amazing for group selfies. It's the perfect gift for everyone.

[Tim Pool]

I'm the worst.

[Eliyahu]

I only got my mom a robe.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Well, it's better than socks.

[Eliyahu]

So I have to trade in my old phone, right?

[T-Mobile Representative]

No AT T mobile. There's no trade ins needed when you switch. Keep your old phone or give it as a gift.

[Eliyahu]

Incredible.

[T-Mobile Representative]

In fact, wrap up my old phone too for my aunt Rosa.

[Eliyahu]

Forget that.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Aunt Liz will be jealous.

[Eliyahu]

Sounds like my family drama.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Oh, I got it. I'll give it to my abuela. I'll take reindeer paper with. Hey, where are you going?

[Tim Pool]

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[Nick Freitas]

Visit T mobile.com those are the different legal mechanisms that you can take. The other thing that you can do is depending on, you know, you can get the information out about the judge that actually, you know, did the decision of the sentencing. The other thing, the other question is, is your commonwealth attorney for your area, did they offer a plea? Is that why you only got six months for this? Was it, was there something else that the commonwealth attorney did because they're elected and so you can theoretically go after the commonwealth attorney during the next election cycle. I wish I could give you like a better response on the things that you could do to try to correct for this, but those are the various mechanisms available.

[Tim Pool]

So we put up a poll and it said Candace is right or Candace is wrong. It's 59% Candace is wrong, 41% Candace is right. I guess my follow up is just what is she right about?

[Nick Freitas]

Okay, this is, this is what's killing me about this. This is why I go back to like, regardless of where you stand on this issue, is there anyone that can tell me that she is anything other than his best friend or his worst enemy?

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Nick Freitas]

Because this is what this Is what troubles me about this is that if you're willing to look at this subjectively and you just say, I find what she says convincing, so far, that's fine. I do not. I do not find what she has said convincing. But if you do, my question is, is what is the standard of truth that you're actually going to utilize? Because at some point there can no longer be. I have evidence and I'm going to present it, and then there's no evidence, or the evidence is not sufficient to actually prove what she's saying. And this goes back to what you're saying before. What is the standard for truth?

[Tim Pool]

We got Amish, man. He says Tim is going so hard against Candace, it's almost like Israel paid him. Amish, man, you are a. Like, this is the crazy thing that you always have to be paid by someone else.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Like a business can't just exist. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I did a poll, 40, 60% right now. 40% say Candace is right. Well, brother, you paid me, bro. You sent a five dollar super chat to me that I'm gonna use to do this show. It's crazy that it's like you can literally see the super chat money come in. Yeah, we had 25. Was it $25,000 in super chats when Tim Ballard was on from when we were talking about Sound of Freedom. And it's just like, how does Tim get his money? I don't know. There's like 10 million subscribers on all the platforms. We have discord with tens of thousands of people in it. Why does it have to be Israel paying?

[Phil Labonte]

I constantly get. I constantly get that I'm an Israeli shill because the dudes that owned the label that all that remains used to be on were Jewish. So because they're Jewish, I'm an Israeli shill.

[Eliyahu]

The super chatter is outing himself as Israeli.

[Tim Pool]

Well, by Israel, I mean, I think you should maybe. Maybe a lot can explain what two weeks is really about.

[Eliyahu]

Because Israelis don't pay Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Guys.

[Eliyahu]

Tim pays Israelis.

[Tim Pool]

What people don't realize is that if you read the. If you play. If you play two weeks backwards, it's actually like rabbinical chant.

[Eliyahu]

It's just.

[Tim Pool]

It's just pure Jewish Torah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Eliyahu]

And for.

[Phil Labonte]

To. To a lot's point, my manager's Jewish and my business manager are Jewish, so I am actually paying the Jews.

[Eliyahu]

Although I do think Talmudic Tim does have a nice ring too, actually. That is.

[Tim Pool]

That is funny too. Israel's not paying me. The Jews are not paying me. I'm paying him. He's sitting right here.

[Nick Freitas]

That's how sneaky it gets.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Phil Labonte]

Wait a minute. I, I rent a room to a Jewish guy, so there's. So that's one that's paying me.

[Nick Freitas]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you're not paid by the Jews.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm the landlord to a Jew.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you're not. You're not paid by the Jews. You're paid by Jew.

[Nick Freitas]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

By ag.

[Eliyahu]

How the tables have turned.

[Nick Freitas]

Oh yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, we're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show. Go to rumble.com timcast irl. Join Rumble Premium to Watch and you'll get a lot more than just Tim Cast irl. Of course you'll get Steven Crowder's Mug club and a bunch of really awesome content from a ton of the creators. I got Jeremy Hambly, they got Viva Frye, all of our good friends, and Devore Darkins, of course. So make sure you go to rumble.com timcastirl we're going to be there right now for our Discord members who want to call in. That's timcast.com join us. You can follow me on X and Instagram Timcast. Nick, do you want to shout anything out?

[Nick Freitas]

You can just follow me on social media. Ickjfreitas. And then of course we have our show Making the Argument and the Wyman.

[Eliyahu]

Thanks for tuning in everybody. I am a lot. Eliyahu White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. Quick programming update. I was lucky enough to go to a congressional media road today and interview a few different congressmen. And I understand that's going to be on the Culture War Channel in the next couple of days. These are three 15 minute interviews. And then we also have the Pentagon Media Road tomorrow where I'll be doing a handful of interviews with Pentagon officials and that will also be on the Culture War Channel in the upcoming day. So. So be on the lookout for that. And thank you guys for tuning in. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil Labonte. I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. Tomorrow night I have a super cool announcement about all that Remains. I will. That's all I'm gonna tell you right now. But it's a really cool announcement. For Christmas you can check out the band all that Remains on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

One more super chat before we go. James Margolis says Tim, Haha. Thank you so much for the phone message for my birthday. That was so cool to see that. Love your work, sir. A huge hello to everyone else there and thank you, sir, and shout out to your wife. So when George Sanders was here last, he was like talking about how Cameo is really great and you should use it. And then I said sure. And then I kind of just signed up and then ignored it and then noticed there was a request for someone's birthday. And so I absolutely gave a shout out for his birthday. So I really do appreciate it and I just want to say happy birthday again, man. I appreciate y' all reaching out. We're going to go to rumble.com and we hope to see you there in about 30 seconds. Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast right now and it's great. You love the host, you seek it out and download it. You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even going to the bathroom. Podcasts are a pretty close companion. And this is a podcast ad. Did I get your attention? You can reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from Libsyn Ads. Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements or run a pre produced ad like this one across thousands of shows. To reach your target audience in their favorite podcasts with Libsyn ads, go to Libsynads.com that's L I B S Y N ads.com today.