Candace Owens IMPLODES, Audience IN REVOLT, Claim SHES A CLONE Or GOT THE CALL w/ Graham Allen & Mike Matusow

Summary

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Timcast IRL — Episode Summary

Title: Candace Owens IMPLODES, Audience IN REVOLT, Claim SHES A CLONE Or GOT THE CALL
Air Date: December 17, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (with guests Graham Allen, Mike Matusow/Medico, Phil Labonte, Ian Crossland)

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Overview

This episode is a deep-dive, fast-paced discussion of the swirling controversy around Candace Owens, her recent live show, and the subsequent backlash from her audience and the broader conservative sphere. Tim Pool and his panel—Graham Allen, Mike Matusow, Phil Labonte, and Ian Crossland—explore the fractured state of the political right after key events, including the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and the fallout from Candace’s pivot in messaging. The episode also touches on related issues: infighting in conservative media, conspiracy theories, the risks of online influence, and larger questions about unity, truth-telling, and the dangers of audience capture.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Candace Owens' Public Implosion & Audience Revolt

• Candace’s Controversial Show: Candace Owens hosted a massive show (~350,000 viewers), supposedly to address her recent meeting with Erica Kirk, only to anger much of her audience by walking back previous claims and shifting blame for Charlie Kirk’s assassination (“backtracking and backsliding”).
• Audience Reaction: The chat descended into chaos—many accused Candace of being a sellout, a clone, or of receiving “the call” (implying she’d been threatened or bought off. [08:24]
  • Memorable Quote: “Some people are actually claiming she's a clone... They captured her, cloned her, and they've replaced her now...” —Tim ([02:30])
• Conspiracy Theory Rampage: Participants and chat commenters spiral into jokes about clones, mind control, and shifting allegiances—revealing the volatility and paranoia in some corners of the right-wing audience.

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2. Fracturing of the Conservative Movement

• Post-Kirk Disarray: Panelists lament the collapse of unity on the right following Charlie Kirk’s assassination, blaming opportunism for chasing clicks, “the ring” of audience power, and lack of adult supervision in conservative media.
  • Graham Allen’s Perspective: “Candace's audience is eating itself...am I wrong to say it's kind of beautiful to see?” ([09:18])
  • Tim Pool: “I was a big Candace Owens fan...I just can't believe what I've witnessed...the INSANITY.” ([09:49])
• Changing Media Landscape: The hosts recall times when conservative voices were consistently censored, now wondering about those (like Candace) who seem immune:
  • “Explain to me how YouTube...was actively censoring conservative voices...But you have certain people...allowed to say what they want to say.” —Graham ([19:04])

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3. Audience Capture, Egos, and the Corrosive Allure of Influence

• Integrity vs. Fame: Repeated analogies are made between political commentary, poker, and the Ring of Power (“it is so tempting to put that ring on...but you cannot wield it”). Panelists warn of chasing money, fame, and emotional manipulation at the expense of principle ([13:27], [16:08]).
  • “As long as they keep showing up and there's a fight to be had...As long as people are listening, I'll keep talking.” —Graham ([43:48])
• Danger of Unrestrained Voices: The panel agrees Candace went off the rails when free from institutional checks (e.g., no Daily Wire editors), tying this to wider phenomena of internet influencer “grifter-dom” ([17:56]).

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4. Broader Cultural and Political Analysis

• Media Credibility and Truth: Participants discuss the need for conservatives to return to truth-telling and self-policing, echoing the idea that the right “won” by being honest, not by trafficking in their own conspiracy theories ([32:04], [34:11]).
  • “We won the election because we told the truth.” —Tim ([34:11])
• Role of Conspiracy/Meme Culture: The flirtation with outlandish theories (“Candace got cloned”) is both mocked and analyzed as a sign of a vacuum of leadership and trust, with passing remarks about similar turns among personalities like Tucker Carlson.

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5. Personal Costs and Dangers in Political Broadcasting

• Threats and Violence: Both Tim and Graham detail death threats, swattings, changes in lifestyle for security, especially after the Kirk assassination ([35:34]). Graham describes how being outspoken comes at intense personal risk for themselves and their families.
  • “Like, my kids can't go to normal schools...We have to hide where our location is at.” —Graham ([36:06])
• Burnout and Motivation: The psychological toll of being at the center of culture-war storms is a recurring theme, with mentions of wanting to quit or pivot content but feeling a sense of mission.

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6. Leadership Vacuum & Importance of Charlie Kirk

• Lament over Kirk’s Absence: The group returns repeatedly to the void left by Kirk’s assassination—his skill at keeping factions in line, brokering disputes, and holding the right together. There is agreement that no one matches his ability or gravitas ([54:19], [56:14]).
  • “Charlie was keeping these people at bay...showing solidarity to the American people was good for the mission and for the base...” —Graham ([23:19])

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7. Candace Owens: Motivations, Relationships, and Lawsuits

• Analysis of Candace’s Motivations:
  • Financial incentives and a need for attention are posited as main drivers behind Candace’s pivot.
  • Her feuds and ambitions—wanting to succeed Kirk at Turning Point USA, managing mounting lawsuits, her marital situation—are speculatively dissected ([91:10], [94:35]).
  • Gendered Content: Discussion of how Candace’s show is coded for a female audience, with heavy use of emotional/theatrical communication, differing sharply from male-coded conservative discourse ([86:07]–[90:10]).
• Legal Trouble: The Bridget McCrone defamation case is discussed, panelists predicting Candace will lose by summary judgment, as with Alex Jones ([95:48]–[99:03]).

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8. Criticism of Tucker Carlson and Conservative Dissonance

• Tucker’s Shift: Multiple guests express confusion and criticism over Tucker Carlson’s “flips,” especially his rhetoric around Jews and Israel, his pivot from previous positions, and his alliances ([22:10], [123:10]).
  • “He's one of the smartest people in the world. He doesn't...But when he keeps saying the Jews, the Jews, the Jews...you are anti Semitic.” —Tim ([41:57], [42:23])

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9. The Fractured Political Right vs. the Disciplined Left

• Unity vs. Dissent: The panel laments that while the left “falls in line” with one call, the right welcomes free thinkers—making it both more open and more vulnerable to division and self-destruction ([61:03]).
• Moving Forward: Despite the gloom, there are closing urgings for returning to truth, humility, and principled leadership (examples: forgiving each other, modeling unity, and the need for voices like Dan Bongino to return, [44:12], [51:16]).

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “Candace's audience is eating itself...am I wrong to say it's kind of beautiful to see?” —Graham Allen ([09:18])
• “I was a big Candace Owens fan...I just can't believe what I've witnessed...the INSANITY.” —Tim Pool ([09:49])
• “It is so tempting to put that ring on...But you cannot wield it. No one can. She tried.” —Tim Pool about audience/fame ([13:27])
• “I've had millions upon millions, lost it all as a poker player, gotten it back. I know about money. Money means nothing in the world. You have to have integrity.” —Mike Matusow ([13:27]–[13:51])
• “We won the election because we told the truth. If we sit there and are afraid to tell the truth about what's really going on, then we end up like them.” —Tim Pool ([34:11])
• “Like, my kids can't go to normal schools...We have to hide where our location is at.” —Graham Allen ([36:06])
• “All the whales, I wish I was that person, because those whales have a lot more money than the poker player.” —Tim Pool, on poker as a metaphor for media fame ([101:19])
• “If she did, she'll get—she'll lose some viewers for a time, but it'll go like this and then back up. Because she's very good at talking. She's very good at speaking.” —Tim, on Candace’s ability to bounce back ([85:54])
• “We're talking about the need for unity. We are talking about how we need to bring things back to a world that Charlie was working towards.” —Mike Medico ([26:28])

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Key Timestamps

• [02:30] — Candace Owens’ chat explodes with clone/conspiracy accusations.
• [09:18] — Graham Allen: On Candace’s audience and emotional manipulation.
• [13:27] — The “one ring” of influence, fame, and Candace’s choices.
• [17:56] — Discussion of influencer burnout and the ‘lottery winner’ phenomenon.
• [19:04] — Conservative voices being censored vs. why Candace isn't.
• [23:19] — Charlie Kirk held the right together; aftermath of his death.
• [35:34] — Death threats, violence, and the personal cost of political commentary.
• [54:19] — No replacement for Charlie Kirk; leadership vacuum.
• [86:07] — Gendered analysis of Candace’s show and audience.
• [95:48] — Candace’s legal troubles, potential summary judgment echoing Alex Jones.
• [99:23] — “The most important thing in politics is not what people say, but how they say it.”
• [122:13] — Discussion of Tucker Carlson’s current political posture.
• [123:50] — Connections between Christianity, Judaism, and the rhetoric around Israel.
• [133:11] — Guest show plugs and the value of inspiring others.

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Tone & Style

The conversation is uncensored, sardonic, at times darkly comic and self-aware. There’s a mix of biting criticism and insider camaraderie, with frequent digressions into poker talk as metaphor, and candid admissions of stress, regret, and concern over the state of political discourse. Dramatic and absurd moments (the “clone” theories, legal drama, audience chat meltdowns) are presented with both mockery and concern.

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Conclusion

This episode captures a moment of existential crisis and self-examination within the American political right: the fallout from Candace Owens’ abrupt pivots and the assassination of Charlie Kirk have triggered deep rifts. The hosts and guests dissect the anatomy of audience power, the dangers of fame, and the vital importance of truth and unity over click-driven outrage and conspiracy-mongering. The panel ends on a note of weary hope: calling for better leadership, more humility, and a return to the movement’s foundational values.

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Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Mike Medico]

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[Graham Allen]

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[Mike Medico]

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[Mike Medico]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Mike Medico]

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[Mike Medico]

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[Mike Medico]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Mike Medico]

We got this tweet first off from Colin Rugg. He says Candace Owens says her meeting with Erica Kirk was productive and says she is very happy that we are on a on much better feet. Many of her super chatters were not happy with her throughout the show as she shared details about her meeting with Erica. Despite the productive meeting, Owen said she still felt there were shady characters at tpusa. Towards the end of her show, Owens addressed some of the negative comments and accused the chat of being bodied. Take a look at this. One chat says people may call this dumb, but Candace looking to the right too much Mikey phone call doesn't add up with her timeline and WTF are you putting the plane debunking on the website, not YouTube. One says Fuentes, if you see this, please expose who this actor is and who funds her. You have the green light. One person saying wow, this breaks my heart. Another says this is just a word salad. She is rambling. Sad to say, but you are not passing the vibe check. The market is always right and the chat is overwhelmingly saying you are not the same. Oh, it gets crazier. Candace having to tell her audience she doesn't have the goods. It's not going well. Here's more. One person says, in other words, you were wrong about everything you said. Another person says it wasn't a plane, it was really a flying carpet. Candace has been set up. These bits in the room are next level. Another person saying, is this an apology video for Candace? And here's where it gets real fun. One person saying Candace Owens has either been cloned or threatened. She is backtracking and backsliding after her productive meeting with Erica Kirk. It's over. Here's one. One person tweeting this is super suspicious. I think she got cloned. They're officially promoting the new Candace. Another individual says we will only see a clone of Candace from December 16th onward. It takes three months to grow a clone. Hence why it took them until now to finally have this meeting. She was a nice girl. I hope her and Ye's clone still get along in the future. I hope that's a joke. I don't think it is.

[Phil Labonte]

That's my favorite one.

[Graham Allen]

It's not a joke. How do you deal. How do you deal with this kind of psychosis with people? When you pr. Which is what Candace Owens has done, when you prey emotionally on the most fringe of American society, most vulnerable. The most vulnerable and the most insane and probably eventually the most violent, this is what happens. And, you know, we can talk about what really happened in that meeting, but Candace's audience is eating itself. And am I wrong to say it's kind of beautiful to see?

[Tim Pool]

Really is. I mean, I was a big Candace Owens fan, big Tucker Carlson fan. I can't believe what I've witnessed. The craziness, the INSANITY. I mean, three months ago, we were flying through the U.S. everything was all going right. The Dems were completely dead. There was never going to be. We were going to have all the power and we. And then she, her and I think Tucker also decided, let's see if we could fracture the right as much as we can with craziness. And I just don't know how can anybody believe what's coming?

[Graham Allen]

If I could figure out a way how to recall 50 to 60,000 books, because I have a Candace Owen blurb on the back of one of my books and I've been trying to figure out how to financially do it, but so far to no avail. It's a weird space for me, just like it is with you, Tim. I know. Like. Like we know.

[Tim Pool]

We don't know, but we know. And I know.

[Graham Allen]

No, but we know all of these people. Like. Like, it's so crazy to me when. When Charlie just started doing his campus tours, we're talking a step and repeat and two bar stools type stuff. Me, Charlie, Candice, we were all out there on the road driving the roads. University of Florida, Ole Miss, Arizona State, all over the country. And to see what has happened, it's been a.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he broke it off with her. When? Around 2019.

[Mike Medico]

Well, she was still. She was still doing stuff with Charlie at turning point. Like 2024. Yeah, but there's a question of. So I will say this. I've been tweeting quite a bit about Candace because I've got sources much like she likes playing these games. Obviously the moment I did not, I was not the first to criticize her. But I was the most vulgar. And I think people appreciated that. Though I do think it's fair to say maybe I went a little too far. That's fine. But I immediately started having people reach out to me. And a few things I think are really important to point out that Candace is refusing to own up to. And she called me gay and she called me a bitch. And why did she do that? Because she knows I got the goods. If she wanted to come out and say this is not correct, here's why it's wrong, she could. Instead, when I said Candace worked with some of the very same people she's accused.

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[Mike Medico]

And this is undeniable. It's so stupid that she's trying to play this game because she worked at Turning Point. Yeah, she worked at Turning Point, so duh. She had the same security as Charlie and she's like I never did. I never used the same security. It's an obvious lie. I also know for a fact cuz I've seen the texts. She was privately telling people she hated Charlie Kirk like two months before he was murdered. So she can't answer to these things. She's dodged these and just said Tim Pool's gay. He's a bitch. Because she knew the whole time she was lying. This is a case of wielding the one ring. I gotta be honest, it is so tempting to put that ring on, to slide it on your finger and get 300,000 concurrent viewers to be looking at those YouTube numbers. $10 million a year, you just want to put the ring on. It is a gift to use against our enemies. No, you cannot wield it. No one can. She tried.

[Tim Pool]

Money means nothing in the world. You have to have integrity, you have to have love and you have to care about people. I don't care what money. I've had millions upon millions, lost it all as a poker player, gotten it back. I know about money.

[Mike Medico]

Sounds like poker.

[Tim Pool]

And I've felt the power of having money. And let me tell you something. I've said it before in poker, egos will break you, cards will make you stay humble. And I say the same thing in politics.

[Mike Medico]

Andrew Tate has one of the best points. It's very relatable. I'm not trying to humble, brag, or whatever. Obviously, we do well here. But Andrew Tate made a post a while ago where he was like, being rich is just, you wake up and try and find a better stake every day. It gets to a point where you can do what you want to do. And so you're just. When you're talking to your friends like, let's try this steakhouse, you're just literally trying to find a good restaurant now.

[Ian Crossland]

As long as society holds together.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah, that's true. And so we're looking for some good steakhouses while we're out here in Vegas. Cause to be honest, the point is this. Whatever it is that Candace was chasing, it's fleeting. You know what I mean? I said this. You know, I go to Occupy Wall Street. I do live streams. Everybody's cheering me. They're cheering for me. They're praising me, saying, oh, Tim, you're so great. And then the moment I call them out on their lies, because I'm calling everybody out, they say, Tim changed. I'm like, no, I didn't. I was always calling people out for being liars. It's going to happen. Candace going off in this ridiculous direction, chasing after people who think that it's possible to clone humans in this way, or that Egyptian planes are flying or whatever it is she was pursuing. It's the one ring. Sooner or later, it fails you, it turns on you, and now she's in trouble. What happens? You know, I'll put it like this. There are certainly some people who watch this show who are probably like, what happened to you, Tim? You know, Candace is asking the real questions, and you're. And you betrayed us. And I'm like, yeah, they say the.

[Graham Allen]

Same thing to me every morning.

[Mike Medico]

And you know what? Maybe the shooting at our property was related to somebody who thought that we were getting the call or whatever it may be. We've gotten threats for a long time, threats to shoot us up. So it could be anything.

[Tim Pool]

It just so happened the day after that, like.

[Mike Medico]

Well, it was like a week or two after I'd been calling her out. And then I really got angry that Monday. My point is this. It's one thing to be on the sidelines, to be accused it's another thing to be standing in front of that entire mob where she got 300. I think she had like 350,000 concurrent viewers today.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

All wondering the truth. And she came out and basically said, Erica Kirk was nice. Tyler Robinson probably did it, Israel probably didn't. I got a call from their lawyers. What happens then when they're all staring at you and you betray them? That's gonna come back to Biter.

[Graham Allen]

Well, go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

No, the thing is, I think it's gonna come back to Biter, and hopefully I pray that maybe it brings her back to sanity and maybe she doesn't get as many viewers as she loses, all those crazy people, but maybe she gets real viewers back and actually puts out the truth somehow. But I just, I just think she's so, like the ring. You hit it right on those, you shoot the power. She's so addicted to it that she'll just say anything. It's it. And I just, I loved her. I mean, I, I watched her. I just can't believe what I've witnessed.

[Mike Medico]

When, when I said this a while ago, I went on her show when she was at the Daily Wire, I called her a genius. I was super impressed with how well read she was, how quick witted she was. And then for her to go this direction, I said the whole time, she knows what she's doing.

[Graham Allen]

Of course she does.

[Mike Medico]

It's not an accident. And I have to wonder, you know, I don't know if you guys have ever experienced something like this, but it's like, I guess you can call it like the lottery phenomenon. A regular person, he's a plumber or whatever, he wins $100 million and then he blows all the money in a few months. He buys a golden statue of himself because he didn't get to that point. He didn't know how to manage all of that rush of power or whatever it is you get. I think Candace leaving the Daily Wire being unrestrained, no one was there to tell her not to do something. So when she's at the Daily Wire or she's at Turning Point, she maybe goes, I think Bridget McCone's a man. And then someone goes, well, okay, but let's not go there. And then she gets held back because they won't do the show. This actually happened with Daily Wire where I can't remember what it was. She wanted to do something with ye and the Daily Wire was like, we don't want to do that. Then she tried doing the Bridget Macron thing. And they're like, no, we're taking that down because she did it and took it down. She leaves and now she's unrestrained and she chases the dragon and there's no one holding her back. And so she ran off the cliff.

[Graham Allen]

Well, everybody needs. Everybody needs those people in their life. Right. Like we're commentators. Get it. There are times I want to go off on things unhinged because it does. It gets the most views, the most clicks, the most this, most that. But you need people on your team. You need people in your life that goes. I hear what you're saying. Have you thought about the lawsuits? I hear what you're saying. Have you thought about this? Are we sure?

[Phil Labonte]

Do you want to put yourself in an actionable position?

[Graham Allen]

Correct. Correct.

[Mike Medico]

For me, it's real easy. I mean, whenever I start to say anything crazy, I get a call.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

And from Israel.

[Graham Allen]

Yes.

[Mike Medico]

And then they just tell me what not to say.

[Graham Allen]

These checks aren't going to write to themselves. We got work to do here, fellas, today. So we got.

[Mike Medico]

There are going to be people who take that. That's going to get clipped. And they're like, tim pull admitted to Israel.

[Tim Pool]

Every time something happens.

[Graham Allen]

Can you imagine?

[Tim Pool]

Every time something. Something happens, it's the Jews.

[Phil Labonte]

Everybody's saying that the attack in Australia was actually the idea.

[Mike Medico]

You need to understand, Mike, that it's a compliment. They're talking about how smart the Jews are, how capable and hard working and industrious they are. That's really what I would always say to these people. I'd be like, I don't understand why you think that there's this small population.

[Tim Pool]

15 million of us in the whole world.

[Mike Medico]

In the whole world. And they are so smart, so hardworking and so capable. They've taken everything over and you can't stop them. But that is a compliment.

[Graham Allen]

But yet the people who hate them the most are the most famous people that you can find right now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Graham Allen]

So that's the thing, that's the question that I've been asking here lately, is why? Because this is what Candace says, Right? I'm just asking questions. So. So I'm just asking a question. How is it that we have, you know, you just said it. 350,000. But even before the Trump administration took over, she was killing it on YouTube. All this other stuff. You face mass censorship. We all did. Explain to me how YouTube and federal in front of Congress admits that they were actively censoring and or de. Platforming conservative voices and dissenting voices. But you have certain people and you can insert Whoever person you think I'm talking about here, besides just Candace, certain people explode, certain people grow. Certain people are allowed to say what they want to say, are allowed to do this on YouTube. It makes me question those very people that claim that they're on the same side that we are.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I agree with you because like every time I talked about. Because I wholeheartedly believe this 2020 election was stolen and every time I brought that up or I talked about the vaccine being very bad, boom. Strike. Strike. You can't say that. Or taking your. One more strike and we're taking you down. That's how, how bad it was with YouTube. And then. And like what, like Tim just said, how is she able to just go out there and just the Jews, the Jews, the Jews and no strikes.

[Mike Medico]

But my favorite thing is she literally says on her show, if you criticize Israel, you get censored. And I'm like, aren't you bragging about being number one, about having this massive.

[Phil Labonte]

Where's the censorship? Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

You know what I do think, though? I do think that it's not just the conspiracy audience. I think she's getting a good international audience. And you think about how many people around the world don't like Israel. There's a lot of countries that don't like Israel.

[Tim Pool]

They've always hated us. So it's nothing new.

[Mike Medico]

If you're. If so I think about this shift. You mentioned it. Let me pull this tweet up. Actually, this is interesting. We've got this post here from Mario novel from December 13th. Tucker letting people talk a lot reveals who they are. Well, it's not so much about what Tucker said, but the response here from terrible Timmy who says red faced Tucker is a clone. Same exact time they replaced Candace Owens with the cloned mouthpiece of the left we see everywhere now. She's either a clone or the worst mother I have ever seen. No new mother instantly brings hate and judgment to the new family. Now, the funny thing is it sounds like this guy is actually critical of Candace and Tucker and still thinks they're clones. Yeah, but there's an interesting. As crazy as it is, there's a much easier explanation. But there's a reason why people think this. Tucker seems to have flipped on a dime. He there's this viral video, makes no sense. A montage of Tucker saying things like, I don't know who that guy is. Who is he? And then it shows another clip of him sitting down and interviewing the guy. Tommy Robinson being a great example of him, like, who's Tommy. I don't even know anything about him. And then there's him interviewing Tommy Robbins and saying, thank you for your work.

[Tim Pool]

There was two or three other people, too.

[Mike Medico]

Exactly. So he doesn't forget.

[Tim Pool]

He's smart. He knows what he's doing.

[Mike Medico]

There is an interesting question of what changed in these people's lives. Now, I'll say this of Tucker. He's allowed to have his opinions, and I don't think he said anything that's outside the realm of reality. It's just a different political worldview that he's adopted over the past couple of years. And that's why I've defended his right to do his show. He can say whatever he wants. Candace, however, is often Wally world saying who knows what whackaloon stuff. The question is, what made so many prominent conservatives just flip and flip to.

[Tim Pool]

Watching what Candace is saying?

[Ian Crossland]

It was the death of Charlie Kirk.

[Graham Allen]

Was it?

[Ian Crossland]

It was. People went mad, man.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I thought the death of Charlie Kirk was after the first week, the whole world was on our side. I'm like, this could be the greatest thing. You know, Nothing could be great. You know, losing Charlie is like the nightmare, the worst thing ever. But, like, for the world, it felt like. Like the world was coming together. People were going to become more religious and every. And we had it. It was all coming together until.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah. And it got ruined.

[Mike Medico]

For two weeks.

[Graham Allen]

We had it for two weeks. We had it for 2 weeks. Charlie. Charlie was keeping a lot of crazy people at bay.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Graham Allen]

Everybody that's in this business, it's in this industry. We all know it. We all know it. We're not supposed to say it. Tim. I told you I was going to say it here on the show. We're not supposed to say it. We're not supposed to say that. 99.7% of everybody that you listen to and that you watch, they're not those people. When the cameras are off, they're not supposed to say that. So Charlie Kirk was keeping a lot of these people at bay. And Charlie, love you to death, my brother. Wish you were still here. Charlie was keeping these people at bay because he knew that showing solidarity to the American people was good for the mission and for the base. And then when Charlie died, here's the truth. Millions and millions of dollars were left on the table from his show. All these people saw opportunities to jump in and become the next people, take over these things. So what do you do? Do you go the easy route or. Excuse me, do you go the hard route? Which Is this is a time we all need to unify.

[Tim Pool]

We should have unified turning.

[Graham Allen]

But that's not what sells. That's not what goes.

[Mike Medico]

They went with. That being said, I do want to address this one. Super chat from a member. This is hard to read. Small Sonny GL7. He's been a member for 42 months. I deeply respect it. Thank you so much. He said no. Tim, you called her a C word. I know I said on the show before, but I'll stop. I won't. Frame. That's a good word to use your mind. You lost your mind attacking her. Your opinion and position of making it personal is lame. I agree with her questioning. I will say this. Apparently on her show she said she went a little too far in telling people to pull their donations from Turning Point usa and I'll respect it if she's gonna pull things back. That is a respectable thing to do. I think she chased after the views and the money and all of those things. And I will admit to being in a heightened state of tension due to a shooting at my property, of which let me just say this before I get to the meat and potatoes. She accused my brother of trying to kill me. Okay? That being said, I do apologize for calling her a degenerate cunt. That is unbecoming of a gentleman. Whether or not I am mad with Candace Owens and she has said disparaging things of me, it was unbecoming and I accept that and I do apologize. If we are going to have a more articulate and better reasoned world, I should not be getting heated like that and losing it. That being said, I think it's fair to point out that after dealing with this shooting on my property, very agitated and it was compounded by Candace received the brunt of my ire when she said, quote, the shooting that Tim Pool survived in December of 2022 was committed by his brother and it resulted in a bunch of people posting my brother's photo claiming my brother broke into my house and was getting shot at by security. None of which was true. Never happened. The real story was that we had a burglary at one of our other properties and a staff member fired at one of the guys who broke in and they fled. So I was very angry. But I am willing to admit that I was wrong and I should have kept my cool. Again, we are talking about the need for unity. We are talking about how we need to bring things back to a world that Charlie was working towards. And I think, guys, thanks for helping.

[Tim Pool]

Me carry my Christmas tree. Zoe, this thing weighs a ton.

[Graham Allen]

Drew Ski, lift with your legs, man. Santa, did you get my letter?

[Tim Pool]

He's talking to you, Bridges.

[Graham Allen]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Of course he did.

[Graham Allen]

Right, Santa, you know my elf Drew Ski here. He handles the nice list.

[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Allen]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Allen]

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[Mike Medico]

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[Tim Pool]

So I will try to get it. He would have together before these midterms.

[Graham Allen]

He would have shut Candace down, too.

[Tim Pool]

So we've got to get that momentum. We've got to get connect. We've got to get unified and the momentum and get it back together. Because right now the fracture is so bad, and they're just. They're hitting us every which way.

[Phil Labonte]

There's time to.

[Tim Pool]

You know, and then Trump's putting out the most insane tweets. You know, he's going live, by the way. You know, we might want to.

[Ian Crossland]

It's six.

[Mike Medico]

It's.

[Ian Crossland]

What is it?

[Mike Medico]

9:00Pm I think it's about Venezuela, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Probably.

[Tim Pool]

But we knew this.

[Ian Crossland]

Or how great the economy knew what.

[Tim Pool]

He put out about Venezuela. You knew it was all about the oil, right? Oh, I mean, a blind person knows. Like I've been trying to say, if you want. If you really. And I'm a big Trump supporter, if you really want to get the drugs out of country, you'd be bombing the cartels in Mexico and they wouldn't do anything about it. But you saw what the President said, who was handpicked because they killed 20 other people when she was running. She says, no, no, no, no American troops come because they know. Right? They know. So listen, if you want to say it's about drugs, Donald Trump, go get the cartels and I'll be right behind you.

[Mike Medico]

I'm hoping I don't. You know, I respect Tucker. I like Tucker a lot. I've been a big fan of his for a long time. I do think it's fair to point out. Agreed. That he's his. His political views have changed quite a bit. And I do think it's fair to point out that he's. There's this viral video where he's acting like several people he's actually met and interviewed. He doesn't know. Now, I don't understand that. I don't think he's afraid to talk about those things. I'm sure he'd answer if someone asked him about it. I'm just wondering why so many people seem to have changed their opinion and gone in this direction. My personal view is not that Cutter is handing out checks. It's always the simple answer to be like, you are paid. No, I think it's really easy. I think somebody logged onto their show, said something like, maybe it's a genocide.

[Graham Allen]

Boom.

[Mike Medico]

They gained 10, 000 new subscribers and they went, oh, yeah, I'm getting a lot of subscribers.

[Tim Pool]

The tick tock genocide, Genocide, genocide.

[Graham Allen]

That's what sells. When I talk bad about Candace Owens and things like that, or I challenge Candace right now. Don't talk bad. Right. Even though she, she deserves it, but you use the same logic. Don't you think it's weird that Candace did this? Don't you think the way she said it, that. Don't you think that's weird, Tucker? Same way. Don't you think all this and that we lose, we lose money. We lose subscribers, we lose money. The only people that are making money, more money than they were last year right now are the people that are all in on the Jews did it. Trump. Trump's bought by, by Netanyahu.

[Tim Pool]

The thing is, the thing that's really important here is, is you could hate Bibi Netanyahu, you can hate the Israeli government. Yeah, okay, listen, I like Bibi Netanyahu, but there's a lot of things I don't like that he does. But there's a big difference between Israel and Netanyahu and the Jews. You can't just say the Jews. Okay? There's the liberal Jews that run everything that make us look. All the real Jews look bad. I hate to say, but this is a fact. The people that run the media, they're all liberal Jews.

[Mike Medico]

They don't even.

[Tim Pool]

They've never even been to Israel. They probably don't. They don't even know what the Sabbath is. They just say, I'm Jewish. My last name's Greenstein.

[Mike Medico]

I got an idea. We should play a heads up game, 10k buy in. And when you win, I can title the video Jew Takes All My Money.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, sounds good.

[Graham Allen]

I love it.

[Mike Medico]

People will be like, oh, they'll click it and then it's just a poker game.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's just. It's what it is. I mean, like, I wish Candace and Tucker would go to Israel. See, See the sites. See it don't believe how it's running. Oh, oh, like Candace says, oh, only the Muslims could be in this corner. Oh, only the Jews. That's not true. It's all like, it's all made of lies.

[Graham Allen]

We have to define, though, Tim, to your point. And bravo, bravo to you, good sir, on your apology. We have to define when we talk about, okay, it's time for us to unify, to try to preserve this country for as long as possible. Well, what are we talking about when we actually say that? Who are we trying to unify? Who are we trying to unify with? Can you actually unify with people that truly believe that three months ago they started building a clone of Candace Owens to replace her on the day? Can you really unify with the people that. The only reason Candace Owens made a video last night was because there were a lot of people that made thousands and thousands of dollars all over TikTok, Instagram, everything, making videos, concerned that Erica Kirk had murdered Candace during their meeting. How do you, how do you unify with people that. Like this.

[Mike Medico]

She's done this to these people.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you how we unify.

[Mike Medico]

Okay?

[Tim Pool]

So what did we have over the left up until Charlie's murder that they didn't have?

[Phil Labonte]

We didn't exclude people the way that they do.

[Tim Pool]

And we were always the media or we were always the people that told the truth. Right. We didn't make a. If we saw something that was wrong and we had said, we had commented on it, we'd apologize and say, you know what? I read this. I was wrong. It didn't come out. And the mainstream media was just lying fools. And we just, we won the election because we Exposed the media for what they are now. What are they going to do to us? Expose us for. Because. Because you got. Candace has lost her mind and. And Tucker. And then, I don't know, like, even when. When. When Ben Shapiro had the interview with. With Megyn Kelly, Megan's like, what? Candace is saying that. What? Come on, Megan. You know what's being said.

[Graham Allen]

You're not stupid. Megan knows. Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

And I love Mega Kelly.

[Graham Allen]

I do, too. But she knows.

[Tim Pool]

She didn't understand. She wanted to separate herself from them, but she didn't.

[Mike Medico]

I feel the same way. And this also breaks my heart in that Megyn Kelly acting like she didn't know what Candace was saying. It was just because I think, look, there are a lot of people that were very critical of Candace well before I lost my mind over her and things she was saying on her show. And so they deserve a lot more credit than I. I mean, I think Crowder was one of the first, if not the first, he called her a naughty word over the things she was saying. And then he even put out this video from the Daily Wire. He was like, I'm not here to take sides. Like, this is news. But I suppose it's heartbreaking when people are so scared because her audience is so massive. They fear what will happen to you. Meghan doesn't want to come out and say, you're right. Candace shouldn't be saying these things because she knows there's an overlap between her audience and Candace's audience, and Candace is gonna win that fight.

[Tim Pool]

But here's where we talk about the truth, right? We won the election because we told the truth. If we sit there and are afraid to tell the truth about what's really going on, then we end up like them. And then now they're media becomes, well, what? Look, why are you calling our media corrupt? Well, look, what you guys are saying. You see what I'm trying to say, that that's why. That's why we need to unite.

[Graham Allen]

Well, there was. There was probably three or four, like, true, solid things that had to happen for us to win the election in November 2020.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, absolutely.

[Graham Allen]

I mean, yes, we had to put their crazy on blast, and we had to put the truth.

[Tim Pool]

And Trump had to turn his head by a split second.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah. An act of God happened in front of us live in Butler. Okay. We also had Charlie Kirk, and we had Turning Point usa. And honestly, then the other part was we had people who had either been known left or center left, that it had finally gotten bad enough.

[Tim Pool]

Well, when it got when they went after Trump to try to bankrupt them, put him in jail for life. And they were. Everybody, like, when we talk about how crazy Candace is going, everybody knew that it was all political, that the Biden just. DOJ was trying to put him in jail for life so he doesn't get power. So. And everybody. And so we were able to prove it, basically, with our voices that what the left was doing. And now when you have this craziness back and forth, that's why we're fractured, and that's why we have to get back together.

[Mike Medico]

Let's, let's. Let's. Let's start here. I want to ask you a question, Graham.

[Graham Allen]

Okay.

[Mike Medico]

Do you want to quit political commentary and get out of this space? I mean, to put you on the spot, because I've already talked about it, how the violence is getting extreme.

[Graham Allen]

Yep.

[Mike Medico]

We. We just had a shooting at my property.

[Graham Allen]

Yep.

[Mike Medico]

And it's. It's particularly terrifying, especially I just had a kid.

[Graham Allen]

Yep.

[Mike Medico]

And so the questions we're having now, I appreciate it.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

However, when we get these death threats after Charlie is killed, people are posting. Tim Pool. They're posting not just me, but, like, the ones my security team is seeing. We get emails threatening to come shoot the place up, and then, sure enough, it happens. There are a lot of people behind the scenes that are basically saying it might be getting much too hot right now.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

I'm curious where you're at in this.

[Graham Allen]

Well, we actually did a show about your show, basically, you know, affirming everything that you were saying, because we get the same things on our side as well. Oh, that's a tough one to go. All right, I'm gonna give the real answer here. If I didn't get into this thinking. When I was in the army for 12 years, I went into that thinking, okay, I'm putting myself in harm's way. Never did I think that my family could suffer from it. When I started running my mouth about things that I saw that were wrong about everything. Never did I imagine that here's the real truth right now. If I look directly into the camera, like, my kids can't go to normal schools, like, two for the rest of their lives. Like, they cannot go to normal schools. We have to hide. Just like you. We have to hide where our location is at. We're in unmarked buildings, all this other kind of stuff. Wishes of sodomy and rape on my daughters and things like this. Like, I mean, like. And then. And then when I question Candace, they know that they can't bother me. So then my wife starts getting all the phone calls, she starts getting all the DMs, she starts getting all the everything trying to come after me through them. Do I want to quit? It does bother me on a level of what we talked about earlier where so many of these people that are behind the mic, they are, they are, they are fake. And I know a lot of people will probably say, well, Graham, you're fake. You're the biggest grifter. Da, da, da, da, da, da. I'll put my bank account against anybody else's bank account and we'll see who's actually taking money from who when it's all said and done. But it is that part where people are disingenuous, they're not real in their faith and their beliefs. And then, yeah, the real life problems that we're facing to where, yeah, people want to kill us simply for questioning Candace Owens. So the very people that are saying that we have changed and we've turned our back, you, me and so many others have been taking arrows for making a stand that wasn't popular for so long. We didn't change.

[Mike Medico]

We're certainly not doing it for views.

[Graham Allen]

No, we're losing it by doing this. We're doing it because we believe it to be true. The people that are supporting the likes of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, they changed. They changed.

[Mike Medico]

I'll tell you where I'm at. I mentioned this before. Probably what you're commenting on is that we've got prominent conservatives that are caught taking money for these ridiculous campaigns advocating snap benefits to buy soda.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

In what world is that a moral thing to advocate for? But they got paid advocating for foreign countries. We are sitting here talking about what this country needs. And now you got these people taking money to promote India's trade benefits or whatever. Trump's negotiating. You've got that. Then you've got the Candace Owens phenomenon and people like her. And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, I get these death threats and we've gotten them for a long time and we've been swat. We were swatted 15 times starting in 2022 is January, I think it was January 6th or 7th of 2022 was the first swatting. It was Rector Marjorie Taylor Greene came on another one, lost her mind. Well, my view is with all the threats of violence, but also this disingenuous grifter, Dom, what are you going to call it? I'm sitting here asking myself, to what end do we stand strong? And so I will answer the question as well. I absolutely do not want to quit. I love doing this every single night. I am driven to point the finger and be like, the media is lying right there. Here's how and why. But it becomes an increasing challenge when there is less and less of a desire for truth or a desire for entertainment.

[Graham Allen]

And outrage.

[Mike Medico]

And outrage. And so what I would say is we were talking before the show about solutions to the security issues that we're facing. And I think we've got an amazing opportunity in front of us that I believe will happen, but we'll see. And I'll just put it simply, like we're working with Rumble and I think Rumble is very serious about taking this, turning these detriments, these net negatives into net positives. How do we solve the security problem and also make better?

[Tim Pool]

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[Mike Medico]

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[Tim Pool]

You know, as. As a professional poker player. Okay.

[Mike Medico]

What.

[Tim Pool]

What makes me so good? And I don't study. I don't study gto. I don't know. I read people.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. I could look at you. Look at you. I could tell if you're telling the truth or if you're a grifter or you're just. I could know who honest people are. Every time Trump speaks, I know when he's telling the truth and when he's lying. Okay. And listen, I don't want to say keep saying bad things about Candace or Tucker, but watching people who I loved turn into something that I just Feel is. So when you watch Candace, you just know it's ingenuous. It's just. It's not genuine.

[Mike Medico]

It's demoralizing.

[Tim Pool]

It's demoralizing. And so I see it and I read these people and I ask myself, like, come on. Tucker's very, very wealthy. He's been in the for forever. He know he's one of the smartest people in the world. He doesn't. You could call out the Israeli government if you don't like it. But when he keeps saying the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, and then he says, well, I'm not anti Semitic. Well, when you say the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, you are anti Semitic.

[Mike Medico]

It's demoralizing.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

And so, you know, one of the things that I'm doing is I launched a new channel. YouTube gave me Tim Pool finally, after, what, 15 years or whatever. And so I put up a vlog. Today. It was me and Brandon hanging out at the D Gen Lounge for wpt. And it's. It's. It's fun. I want to have fun again. I don't want to be so stressed out all the time with the concept.

[Graham Allen]

That's a good point. Have fun.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

But it's also. It's just not political content. Yeah. I think the reality. There are people. I would say this of Candace. She loves. She loves being rich.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Mike Medico]

She loves getting attention. She loves being wealthy. She married a very wealthy man, and she's doing everything she can to get those numbers up, man.

[Graham Allen]

I.

[Tim Pool]

All of them.

[Mike Medico]

I don't care.

[Tim Pool]

From the Macron, from the Macron lawsuit.

[Mike Medico]

I had. I had people saying to me, like, why are you bitching about these threats to your family, Tim? You're rich. And I'm like, I would rather just make a humble salary and not have my family threatened.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

I don't need much. I talk about living in a van down by the river all the time. Yep. I told my wife, I said, you know what we'll do if it all goes tits up? We'll get like a 500 square foot little shack in the middle of nowhere by a river.

[Tim Pool]

Elon lives in an apartment probably the size of this room.

[Mike Medico]

I'm gonna generate electricity with a water wheel to power our house, and we'll be 500 miles away from civilization. And she was like. She sighs because she wants to be true, but she knows we're never actually going to move the middle of nowhere to keep staying in the fight.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah. I put it like this, you know, I, you know, very religious guy. So I've prayed about it a lot. Like, lord, if, if it's time for me to put the microphone away, I'll do it. But people keep showing up. They keep showing up every day. And so as long as they keep showing up and there's a fight to be had. Here's the thing that I think you're saying. If I can stand up for a couple of people real quick, stand up for people like Dan, Dan Bongino for a minute.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah.

[Graham Allen]

You know, not even a year ago, not even a year ago, people were begging, people like me, people like Dan and other people. I don't want to out them because a lot of people have anonymous profiles that went to the administration. And we did it. You know, for those of you who don't know, we had to stop all money making. You can't do that. Like, you know, and when your business is you talking, it's not like you can just name a CEO to take it over and all this stuff. We did it and we went in there and now I'm a fed. I'm a fed. I'm bought and paid for. I was a fed before. I was in the army for 12 years before I even did this. So there I'm a fed. But then you got Dan Bongino, who before Candace, in her thing, he was getting 200,000 concurrence every day, every day. And he gave it all up to go try to try to make a difference. Now you can say whatever you want. Yes, the FBI was corrupted. Yes, it was a, it was a mess and it was probably set up to fail from the beginning. But Dan Bongino is a patriot. And I've seen the reports from Fox News that he's thinking about, you know, his future and all this other stuff when he comes back. I think we need a Dan Bongino to come back.

[Mike Medico]

I, I think, you know, people are saying, oh, Dan Bongino got in, he got corrupted. I don't believe we're saying. I think Dan is fighting the good fight, still trying his hardest.

[Graham Allen]

Absolutely, I'm 100% agreeing.

[Tim Pool]

But you know, here's the thing. It's like, what is your opinion on this? Because like the DOJ is supposed to be separate from the administration. The FBI supposed to be separate from the administration. And every time, and I met Kash Patel, I think he's a really nice guy. I think he's doing the good fight. But it's always like, we got to, we got to trump Trump's agenda. Trump's the doj. Pam Bonney brings up. Well, they're blocking us from Trump's agenda. Like, if she's, she's they supposed to be saying, aren't they supposed to be neutral? The DOJ and the FBI, and they come out, like, all about Trump's agenda, which I like that. But like, what's going to happen when they get the power? Is it all going to be about Gavin Newsom? God, please rest us all. Don't let God let fucking Gavin Newsom in there. But I'm just trying to say. Do you understand what I'm trying to say about keeping it separate?

[Mike Medico]

If we, if we don't stay in this fight and redouble our efforts, we're going to get President Newsom.

[Tim Pool]

I'll tell you what. I would rather have the crazy Kamala than I would Gavin. Gavin Newsom is the most evil, evil person, the only in the world.

[Phil Labonte]

The only reason, the only reason to prefer Kamala to Gavin Newsom is because the. Is in the hope that a Kamala Harris administration would be less coherent. Yeah, let's go.

[Graham Allen]

Let's go here.

[Phil Labonte]

But also less. She'd be drunk, accomplished, like, they wouldn't be able to get things done as well as. As Gavin Newsom.

[Ian Crossland]

You're right, Mike. It is supposed to be neutral. But in the real world, like we.

[Tim Pool]

Know Merrick Garland was working for.

[Graham Allen]

But when, but when the President's agenda is what's best for the country. Like, truly, like he finding all of these people, prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the laws. You know, hey, when, when international crimes are committed or this is another thing.

[Tim Pool]

That'S making us look bad, like the.

[Graham Allen]

Cops being cops, allowing them to do what they're supposed to do.

[Tim Pool]

There's been no arrest. There's been no. They just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Right. And it makes us look like idiots. Right?

[Mike Medico]

Yeah.

[Graham Allen]

Well, I've never been a Pam Bondi fan.

[Tim Pool]

Nothing's getting done.

[Graham Allen]

I, I never.

[Tim Pool]

I was going in. I'm not now.

[Graham Allen]

I never. I never liked the Pam Bondi pick. I really, I, I never really loved it. I think everyone agrees that Pam Bondi, in her first two weeks with that whole Epstein Binder stuff, I mean, everyone, Everyone agrees that that was the most massive, massive PR mistake that could have ever happened, ever. And honestly, there was a lot of innocent creators or influencers or pundits, however you want to call them, that got caught in a situation they didn't even realize they were getting caught into during that they were there to meet a lot of the cabinet level officials, Pam Bondi walks in kind of last minute, throws them all these binders and then they go walk outside where they think the press aren't supposed to be, but then the press aren't there. There were a lot of people there that got caught in a situation.

[Tim Pool]

One of the things about the Epstein thing, right, is I know for 1 million percent sure that Trump had nothing to do with Epstein. He blocked him out in 2003. If they had anything on Trump with Epstein, they wouldn't have bankrupted them, tried to put them in jail for life, did all the things they put up. They had nothing. Okay, but when Trump says a lot of innocent people are going to get hurt and then they get mad, well, who cares about innocent people getting hurt? They're pedophiles. Right? But you got to remember, like people like Prince Andrews, the royals, people that put Mohammed bin Salman, like very powerful people. Like, these are people that give the United States billions and billions of dollars. And if they see their name on there one dime on a plane, you see them and he, and that's what he's trying to block.

[Mike Medico]

Let me, let me pull up this story. We got this from Fox News Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino to decide about future at bureau in coming weeks. Sources say so they're not going so far this article say that he is quitting. And they've been floating the story a lot. It's been denied. Every single time I think cash comes out, he's like, this is not true. Dan's not going anywhere. However, I'm curious, do you guys think this is like a psyop? Like the media just keeps lying it to put pressure on Dan or is it, I mean, is the reality that Dan actually is considering quitting the FBI?

[Phil Labonte]

I think if there was, if he was actually considering leaving, I think that you would hear something, I would think you'd hear something from someone other than the media, right? Like you hear more rumblings on X or whatever. But like, I don't think that the official, the, the media has, has any kind of legitimacy.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it like a source close to somebody that saw Dance complain that he was getting exhausted at the job says that he's thinking it was like, man, this is, I don't know if I can keep doing this. I mean, I'm sure he said stuff like that.

[Mike Medico]

The thing is they don't say the sources.

[Phil Labonte]

And even though the Trump administration is a better administration than we've had in the past, there are plenty of people in Washington D.C. that don't like this administration and love to leak bad information to the media and Fox News.

[Mike Medico]

If he does leave, my rumble stock will go straight up.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah. If I can try to attempt to put my mind in the mind of Dan Bongino, I would say that I think that there's no way he's not seeing this fracture that is happening. I think that Dan's a genius at what he does. I think he knows that we are headed for a massive bloodbath in the midterms right now.

[Tim Pool]

If I could fix it, if we, if we.

[Graham Allen]

It's going to take a miracle to fix it, if we're being honest. But, but, but a Dan Bongino coming back could be one of those miracles of probably six miracles we need to happen. So if I'm Dan Bongino, I'm weighing where, where does Dan Bongino actually help the country the most now in this moment of time? Because I think in March, he comes up on a year.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Graham Allen]

That he's been there. And so I think I can do it. I think, I think Dan, I think we do need Dan.

[Tim Pool]

You guys realize it was only two months ago that the world was praising Trump. We had the peace deal, the hostages were released. There's two, there's everything where you're on top of the world.

[Phil Labonte]

There's two things that are going to make a real, make the real difference in, in the midterms. That's where the economy is. And the situation with the, with the health care subsidies that are, that are ending. When people see their health care prices go through the roof, they're going to look at the Republicans and say, you've had power. You swore you were going to repeal and replace Obamacare. You haven't. And then, not only have you not done what you said, then you went and you let my, my, my payments have triple, quadruple. They're not going to vote for Republicans if they don't do something about this. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying that, that the ACA is good. I'm not saying that I like it. But if they let these prices go up the way that they're going to, people are going to look at the Republicans and say, you, like I said.

[Mike Medico]

You didn't repeal it, like you said.

[Phil Labonte]

And then you let my prices, my, my premiums triple.

[Mike Medico]

You're out. Well, we also like to say real quick, Dan Bongino coming back to a podcast his first day. It'll be the biggest one.

[Graham Allen]

It'll be the biggest thing ever.

[Mike Medico]

He's gonna have 500 to a million people watching that moment when he comes out and he says, here's what happened when I was at the FBI and why I'm not there anymore.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah. Breaking my silence. I think we also have to take some responsibility. Tim, I don't want to speak for you here, but I know me, I know me and I've had this conversation at the White House. People that do what we do, we have to take a little bit. No, not a little bit, a whole lot of responsibility for the fact we sold the American people that if we win this election, we're going to bring those, everything's going to be fixed. And we didn't do a good job because we have to remember 90, not.

[Tim Pool]

Even a year yet.

[Graham Allen]

99% of Americans don't pay attention to this stuff like we do. They don't know how it works like we do. And, and I do. I think, I think a majority of Americans really, really, really, really believe that within 90 days, like the whole world was going to be fixed. And so now we have a three headed monster facing us in the midterms right now. One, we've got former allies or former people that are trying to burn it all down. You can insert who you want to in that statement. Two, we've got to turn. You saw it in Nashville the other day, we've got our plus 22 districts that are really Trump plus 22 districts. And we've got to do our best to turn them from Trump +22 to our + tens maybe. And then we have a messaging issue where we've got to show the American people, hey, I know it's not feeling better yet. Yeah, gas prices or, excuse me, egg prices were $2 when Trump's first administration, but then they went to nine. Now they're 650. It is starting to work, but it's going to take some time.

[Tim Pool]

Oil prices, I mean, we got it.

[Mike Medico]

He's got it way down.

[Tim Pool]

What, 50 bucks?

[Mike Medico]

Yes.

[Graham Allen]

And then last but not least, we don't have Charlie Kirk anymore. And that is a major hurdle. And that's not me talking bad about Turning Point or anything like that.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just saying you're trying to. Charlie, Charlie's not that care about our movement. There's not one person that could, that could get in. There'll never be another Charlie.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah, that would be a death sentence.

[Tim Pool]

But there has to be like one or two.

[Graham Allen]

Look what they're doing to Erica.

[Tim Pool]

When they said, when Erica said, I'm the CEO of Turning Point now, I Expected her to grieve for a month and her to get on the. Be on that podcast, pushing everything. That's what I was expecting.

[Graham Allen]

I think they'd crucify her if she had done that. I mean, and I agree. I think she. I don't think.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I see why you're saying, I.

[Graham Allen]

Don'T think Erica could win no matter what she did. Correct.

[Mike Medico]

She's not Charlie.

[Graham Allen]

She's not Charlie. No one's ever gonna be Charlie.

[Mike Medico]

Blake is not Charlie, and Andrew's not Charlie, and Jack is not Charlie. And Jack is fantastic. Yeah. But Charlie, man, that guy hit the nail on the head with the hammer.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he had a. I've never seen somebody so smart. He knew exactly. He would take in every liberal's question, think it through his head real quick. And I've never seen anybody that knew the answers. Like, he would quote every part of scriptures, part of the Bible, part. Everything that he. That he would. He knew it all. Like how. It's amazing. He was really smart guy.

[Mike Medico]

But more importantly, his diplomacy. You know, this is a question that we've asked just today, but people have been asking since he was assassinated, was he holding the right together? I think the text messages that we saw where he was saying things like, I may leave the pro Israel. They're forcing me to leave the pro Israel. Cause this is an example of being diplomatic. There were messages where he was critical of Ben Shapiro. If you've got two people that are fighting and you're the intermediary, you don't go to them, one person and say, you're wrong about the other guy. Stop yelling at him. You go to them and say, I totally get what you're saying about other guy. Like, let's just try and keep the peace. And so he kept everybody within that sphere by being nice to them, by respecting them. And now that he's gone, there's no one holding back the infighting, the vitriol.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Graham Allen]

No, I agree.

[Mike Medico]

The moment they killed him, all this started going nuts.

[Tim Pool]

And I thought it was going to do opposite for us because the first two weeks, the whole world was on our side.

[Mike Medico]

We just talked a moment ago about quitting, about disappearing, doing other content. And I've mentioned this before, it's an open secret. There are many prominent individuals in the political space, some even liberal, who are basically bowing out or have already moved to undisclosed locations. And I always tell people, look for whose set has changed.

[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Allen]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Allen]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Allen]

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[Graham Allen]

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[Mike Medico]

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[Mike Medico]

NMLS 696891 even subtly because people are getting really worried about this. Charlie Kirk's assassination was a slam dunk for his killers.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

There has been no negative repercussion for if we're going to go on the official narrative that it is this Tyler Robinson guy who had a transferry boyfriend. Let's just put it like this. The left who celebrated his death, called for more have faced no negative repercussions from it. Nothing. So when we talk about the risks that we face doing shows like this, it is coming off the heels of a political assassination where they won, where they have put the right in disarray. There has been no detriment to the left. They have insulted Charlie. They have mocked him. And now what people need to consider in this space like where we are is they have now taken into consideration that if they kill a conservative, they will get away with it. I believe that dramatically increases the likelihood.

[Tim Pool]

Of the Brown University. You think that wasn't a hit job on that Republican woman?

[Mike Medico]

It looks a lot like that's what it might have been. This young college Republican woman was killed along with one other person. And they're not putting out video. I mean, this is ridiculous.

[Graham Allen]

Very strange.

[Ian Crossland]

It feels like the right in general doesn't have like a really good message. It's got like family and faith, which is good.

[Mike Medico]

Apple pie and baseball pie is nice.

[Ian Crossland]

But they don't ever talk about science. Like, I don't ever hear them talk about science. And like, if you want to win, really fix the world, you need better material sciences. Like you. Well, you have.

[Mike Medico]

I got to give it to you, Ian. People love these general interest podcasts where they. People talk about free energy and hidden technologies. Joe Rogan's going to talk about the technology used to build the pyramids and UFOs. People generally are interested in new tech. They buy it like crazy. Tech podcasts do really well. And I agree the right doesn't have a general interest angle. I don't think science is the end all be all of this. But I get your point. The right tends to have a family is good and taxes are too high message. And so they're not hitting that general interest field. I do think more recently they've done a better job of it. That's why even Joe Rogan endorses Donald Trump. But not like Democrats are doing it all the same, at least. However, Democrats are telling people what they want to hear. Free money and cheaper health care.

[Tim Pool]

The Democrats saw the message that we put out in 2024 about we were just the economy, economy. You know, like. Like what's the name says it's the economy, stupid. You know, it's just, you gotta. You can't.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I feel like the left doesn't have a good message either.

[Tim Pool]

It's like they're piggybacking on what we did in 2024, and then we're fractured instead of united. So now it's like, boom, they're hitting us at every.

[Graham Allen]

They don't have a good message. The difference is it's the pro.

[Tim Pool]

They have no message.

[Graham Allen]

It's the pro and the con of our side. Our side embraces free thinkers. Our side embraces challenging and questioning and this and that. The left can make one phone call and they all fall in line, no matter how crazy it is. And they're all gonna Just do what whoever called them told them to do.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah, I got. I gotta ask. Wouldn't it be easier if there was some shadowy political cabal that just paid you a million bucks a year? Oh, you gotta worry about sponsor advertisers or business. Just.

[Graham Allen]

If I left my wife tomorrow and started a relationship with AOC and it's funny. Cause she's out there, all right, I would be the most famous, the most talked about, and probably one of the richest commentators within 12 months. Would you say, like, if I said, you know what? It's all fake. The Republicans are horrible. It's terrible. I've seen the light. Being married to one woman, one woman only, is not the way I'm leaving my wife. I'm going. And me and the teeth to gum ratio. Aoc, we're in a relationship. I'm a Democrat now. Not only that, I'm a Democrat, Socialist. I've had endorses from Colgate, Oreo, all kinds of stuff.

[Mike Medico]

Have you ever seen the Ryan long bit where it's left and right wing podcast sponsors? Yeah. And the left wing guy is like, welcome to the anti communist, the anti capitalist revolution brought to you by McDonald's. And then it shows the. The conservative guy and he's like, it's brought to you by Patriot Water. Water for Patriots. Very good bit.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I think a lot of it, like, I don't want to name a name, but. But there's a couple people in poker world, they're really famous in Hollywood and they were liberals. And whenever I brought up Trump, they'll bring up. And then after this election, I saw his wife on the plane and she called me and she's like, we start talking politics and she's like, we voted for Trump. What? Right. And then she told me, this is really cool. She's like, well, when October 7th happened, it brought me back to my Jewish roots. And I realized everybody on the left that came out the next day, before Israel even attacked, even had a response for October 7th. They were out in the streets hating the Jews and kill all the Jews. Globalizing. And she's like, wow, I'm on the wrong side.

[Mike Medico]

I think it was on the show. Daniel Negreano credited you with waking him up. He said that he had. Joe Rogan ended up bringing up on his show because the story is so amazing. Daniel, one of the most famous poker players ever, he's in movies, said that he thought he saw the video where Trump said that Nazis were very fine people because he saw this little snippet and Then he was like, it was not until Mike puts the phone on the table, presses play slides, and says, watch this. And he was like, okay, fine, I'll watch it. And he looks and he goes, oh, I was wrong about that.

[Tim Pool]

And the thing is, it's also. Back then, I was just used Tucker fan. I thought that he was so good for our side, everything. He was so. The truth. And then Daniel would say, tucker's a racist. I'm like. And he'd send me this clip. I'm like, that's not the real clip. I go, here's the real clip, right? And I go, did you watch it? And he would say, no, I don't watch nothing on Fox News. Right. And that's how it used to be, because that's what liberals are. They. They won't listen to your site. Like, if a liberal comes up to me, I'll listen to everything they have to say. But if you want to say something to them, if they're stuck in their own minds, they won't listen. And once, you know, once they break through. And I think a lot of it had to do with Elon because, like, Daniel had one of the first five Teslas ever made, Right? So Elon was his. His hero. And so all of a sudden, he's following Elon. Elon's putting out all the accounts that I've been following for years. And now he starts opening up, he starts seeing these different things. And Daniel's a smart guy, and I don't want to say anything, but, like, when we went to war over politics in 2016, like, we went from the. From the closest friends to like, I'll kill you kind of crazy shit. He hated Trump so much, but. But I always knew he's just a wonderful, loving person, and he's very smart, and he'd figure it out, and he did. And it makes me feel bad. Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

And it's also, you know, Trump's been getting a lot of flack for his comments on Rob Reiner, which I can understand.

[Tim Pool]

It was terrible.

[Mike Medico]

Rob has said nasty things about Trump and his family and accused him of crimes and all these awful things. But have you seen James woods response?

[Tim Pool]

And James woods is one of my very good friends. And he told. When I talked about Rob Reiner a couple of years ago, you know what he said to me? He's the kindest, most wonderful person in the world. I try and tell him the truth about politics. He just won't listen at all. So I just got done with it.

[Graham Allen]

It.

[Tim Pool]

But it doesn't mean that I don't love the guy. So. And that's where we're. Trump misses the mark here. Right. Somebody could hate you and it doesn't matter. He was killed by his own drug addict son. Trump's message should have been, this is why I'm out to get rid of drugs. Look what this. Look at his son did to this person. I might have not liked this person, but nobody deserves this. And Trump could have boom. And then he could have been. Looked really good at it, you know, Cuz that's what took. What took Rob Reiner down. His son, a drug addict on drugs, killed his mother and father. And Trump could have said, this is why we're attacking the drugs.

[Mike Medico]

I want to pull this story up, actually, because it's very interesting. Some variety. James woods tears up over infuriating remarks about patriot Rob Reiner. Because you disagree with people doesn't mean you have to hate them. And you know, we talked about this the other day and there were people saying, pretending to mourn for Rob Reiner won't stop the left from trying to kill you. Don't get me wrong, I understand there's a lot of young leftists who are insane and want to murder all of us. Literally just had someone shoot at a property. But Rob Reiner made some of the greatest of American culture. I was saying this the other day and Princess Bride is epic. And when we talk about defending America, those are the movies that represent the America that we want to see. Yeah, Misery. For what it's worth, it's a brutal movie, but A Few Good Men. But I mean, come on. A Princess Bride. A princess. The Princess Bride, he was also the.

[Ian Crossland]

Son and Archie, I just kind of.

[Mike Medico]

Put that together today.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I've been watching some of them because since he died, there's lots of clips going around. And I remember when I was a young kid watching it, it's like you couldn't they. They throw you in jail for life event if there was another family.

[Mike Medico]

James. James woods is like as MAGA as they come.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Nobody.

[Mike Medico]

He is a huge Trump supporter and he appears on. I think it was Fox News. And he was choking up because he had been good friends with Rob Reiner. And I think the story was that he was initially not going to get cast because he was too young. But Rob Reiner went to bat for him and helped him get his start in Hollywood and helped him make a life. And they'd been friends forever.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

This is a message of we should not let politics tear us apart. Now don't get me wrong, the violent extremists, they're gonna go to jail for being violent extremists when they break the law and they do these things. Rob Reiner was just some doofy boomer liberal guy. He's one of these people who has fallen to the sea of CNN slop and msnb.

[Tim Pool]

He was Daniel before he changed.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah. And when I looked at these people, I have met my share of older boomers who are like, I'm not a liberal, but they're liberals. And you talk to them. They just need to be exposed. It's like what you were saying with people you knew. They just need to be exposed to other people and have some pushback and have someone share with them. Here's the real video. And finally break through. So this was an opportunity for Trump to be, as I said the other day, magnanimous. Not just for himself, but for James, who is also a friend of Trump's. And the path we want to go down is we're gonna bring everyone together, and this country needs to be a left and a right that grumble at each other and then have cheeseburgers together.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, let me ask you. You used to be a Democrat liberal, correct?

[Mike Medico]

I don't know. You know, when I was. When I was younger, my family, we were just. We were all default liberal, Chicago, urban. And then when I was a teenager, it was all punk rock anarchy. But I knew what any of that actually meant. And then in my. Like, from like, 18, I was 8, or actually not from about 18, I was, like, atheist lefty. And then I became kind of like moderate lib. I came back to reality, started believing in God again, but was very much like, I mean, look, it was John McCain and Mitt Romney. There's no way I was gonna be anywhere near Republicans.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't even know what Politics was until 2015, when I was bedridden after my surgery. And my girlfriend at the time's like, you gotta pick someone for president. Right? So I fill out this questionnaire, and it comes up Trump. And I never liked Trump. I mean, in 2008, I went to his. I stayed at his hotel, and I had to move out of it in Hawaii. And I never liked Trump because he was, you know, he was a playboy. He was all over the, you know, Schmutt magazines. I just thought he just. He didn't represent good. Like, had different marriages, different kids, you know, and then I'm like, really? I have to pick this guy and every single thing that I Believed in. I didn't know nothing. I didn't even know what a Republican or a Democrat was. And I'm like, do you want. Do you believe in open border? No, we should have closed borders. Do you believe in God? Yes, I believe in God. Do you believe that. That people should get free. No, people shouldn't get free health care. My dad told me when I was a kid, go to work. You wanna make it in life, go to work. Work hard.

[Mike Medico]

But the Democrats used to have that, too.

[Tim Pool]

I know.

[Mike Medico]

Even Hillary Clinton was advocating for a border barrier. And so was Bernie Sanders.

[Tim Pool]

So was Obama.

[Mike Medico]

Absolutely Obama. Deporter in chief.

[Tim Pool]

Deporter in chief.

[Mike Medico]

And Obama, they called him because he was very bullish on war in the Middle East. Not a fan of that. But the Democrats and Republicans were very much the same thing. Then Bernie comes in and politely knocks on the door saying, we need to have a revolution in this country. And then Donald Trump actually came with a battering ram. The Democrats said, Bernie ain't getting in. And Trump forced his way in.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the difference is the Democrats have the superdelegates so they could control who's there.

[Graham Allen]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

And the right.

[Graham Allen]

Bernie should have gotten the.

[Tim Pool]

No, absolutely. They cheated him twice.

[Mike Medico]

Which.

[Tim Pool]

I get it. For the good of the country, we can't have socialism right now. Here's another thing. Trump wanted Mandami to win in New York, okay? He wanted a socialist communist. Because now in 2028 and 26, we could run on. If you don't vote for us, the socialism is going to take over the world and the country and we're going to be gone.

[Graham Allen]

The only problem, and the only flaw with that is you got to let him burn it to the ground. And then we're going to lose the midterms in the process. So it's like we're sacrificing, but we're.

[Tim Pool]

Probably going to lose the midterms anyway.

[Graham Allen]

The midterms to try to cross our way back in 2028. But then the reality is this, and I tell my audience this all the time, we got to win in 24. We got to win in which we did. We got to win in 26, then we got to win in 28.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we were going to win it all until they assassinated Charter.

[Graham Allen]

I've told, I told. I've told everybody that the swamp in D.C. the system in D.C. is deeper, darker, more corrupt, more obstacles in your possibly.

[Tim Pool]

Look how quick the Doge was silenced. Okay? And I have to have inside information from somebody close that. That Pete has guessed was going to be removed if he didn't. He wanted to do to the Defense Department what they were doing with Doge. And then the people with all the money said, quiet. That. That, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's gone.

[Mike Medico]

If people actually saw the accounting for.

[Tim Pool]

The Pentagon, oh, my God. They steal billions and billions.

[Graham Allen]

Oh, yeah, hold on. So. So, yes, yes. But the Doge guys, I got to know the Doge guys at the Pentagon pretty well. Some of them actually left Doge to become actual, like, GS employees at the Pentagon to stay on. Which Elon clarified. Right. Like, doge didn't actually 100% go away. A lot of these people stayed in the things. If the country actually knew. If I can give a shout out to Pete for a minute. If the country actually knew how the Department of Defense then was being run under Biden. Yeah, I think we'd have a purge in the streets. Like, if people actually knew how on autopilot all of this stuff actually was, it's a miracle that we weren't invaded during a time. No, I'm serious. Like.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm going to see if you really know the answer.

[Graham Allen]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Do you guys believe the Elon Trump fallout was real or was staged so they could show. So they could stop burning down Tesla and Tesla stock and that for. And he just went away from politics for six months and now they're back being best friends. Well, it stays. Or did it really go out?

[Mike Medico]

I could. Well, the first thing I'll say is, I don't know, but I can see why they would, because now they're back together again. And Elon just announced he's funding Republicans very heavily.

[Tim Pool]

Right. At first, I think that. I think. Well, I think Elon got really upset with the big, beautiful bill, and there was a lot of shit in there that was awful. That was really bad for our side and. But he had to realize, I think he had to realize, you can't have it all. And I think Trump was trying to explain this to him, and that's where they got in the fight. But I always felt like the Democrats win if they separate.

[Graham Allen]

Everybody thinks they know politics until they actually get hit in the face with politics. And I think Elon Musk, granted, he had a lot more knowledge than the average person with all his defense contracts and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think people think they understand politics until you get into D.C. and then you find out, oh, I really don't know crap about politics and he's the richest man in the world. And I do. I think that there was initially probably a you've got an unstoppable force made an immovable object at the same time. And they came to an impasse and it got really heated really quick.

[Tim Pool]

It got nasty for a little bit. But I know that people that are close to Trump, I know this for a fact and they say no matter what you say, Trump is only there cuz he loves this country. He wants to help it. He's not. Yes. Does he do a lot of corrupt things? Like do I agree with him selling Trump watches all over Fox News? No. I think that's just stupid.

[Mike Medico]

I had a reporter at the Washington Post was asking me about comments I had made. This is funny. Candace Owens tweeted that I was working with opponent a hit piece on her. It's like no Washington Post inquiring. They were inquiring about what I literally said on my show, which was very public. And they asked you're claiming she's doing this for clicks and views but she's wealthy, why would that be the case? And I said why would Donald Trump be president? Some people are not motivated by money, they're motivated by something else. I don't believe they come out and they say Trump is just doing this for ego.

[Tim Pool]

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[Mike Medico]

NMLS 696891 no way. No bro would be on a yacht in the Mediterranean hitting golf balls into the sea.

[Tim Pool]

You know I play poker with, I do a fundraiser with Ted Cruz every year. We do it at Bellagio, whatever. And we have this. When's the next one in April, maybe, when you come down. Yeah. You know, and we sit in this room with the richest donors probably in the world, and we do this, we do this poker tournament. And Ted's a, Ted's a great guy, and he loves poker. And we talk about, he's like, I'm going to win in 2028. We're going to have a poker game in the West Wing once a week.

[Mike Medico]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And I love Ted head to death. And he, you know, you, everybody knows him and Trump in 2016, the hatred they had for each other. Right. He told me, you know. Yeah, we know. Trump's a narcissist, and he has to have his way. Whatever he says. He's never met anybody, anybody in politics that loves this country and wants to make this country better than Donald Trump. Now, that's a big statement.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you see Larry King where he was like, I'm sorry, I have to sit back. Your breath smells very bad. Does anyone ever tell you that?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Trump said that?

[Mike Medico]

Yeah. And then he gets up, he's like.

[Ian Crossland]

I was joking, just kidding. That's a debate. That's a negotiation tactic I use. Like, that's how he acts as president.

[Mike Medico]

I wish there, there are a lot of people who think behind the scenes, everybody's conspiring with each other and that it's like, you know, look, there's a.

[Tim Pool]

Lot of conspiring going on.

[Mike Medico]

It's true. It used to be this way.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Hates it more than the left.

[Mike Medico]

It used to be that you'd see a Republican on the floor, Maybe it's like 15, 20 years ago, going, the Democrats are trying to do this, that or otherwise. And the Democrat wasn't like, I swear to God, you know, you're weird. And then once the cameras are wrapped, you can see him in the background shaking hands, smiling and patting each other on the back. And it's not like that anymore. It is certainly not like that with whatever our generation is. People are at each other's throats.

[Tim Pool]

No, I, I, I, I even said, oh, Ted, listen, it's Schumer and Trump. Like, they act like they're good friends when they're around each other. And he says they hate each other.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So, but you, you've seen it, like when they did the roast. What's that? The roast that they do at. With the roast with the, with the religious guy guy. They do it before John Oliver. No, the thing before the election that.

[Graham Allen]

She didn't show the correspondence.

[Tim Pool]

The thing. And they, you know, before the election, they act like they're friends. They all make fun of each other. Right, right. And then Trump was making fun of Schumer. Ah, no, he's a real good guy. And he passed him on. Right. And so then you sort of say, oh, are they really good friends? And. But Ted says, no, they're not.

[Graham Allen]

No, no, I agree with that. Well, because we're dealing with two separate, but almost two separate species at this point. But the difference between the Democrats versus, you know, actual Republicans, we're not talking about should we raise taxes like 2%? No, no. We're talking about fundamental, completely different landscapes and directions of which we want our country to go. The reason Matt Walsh did a good job on Tucker the other day, if you guys didn't watch that, Matt Walsh brought this up. The reason that all the transgender stuff and all of this, it hasn't, it's not gone, obviously, it's still there. But the reason it's not shoved in our face 247 is because we did push.

[Tim Pool]

You do know it dropped like 60, 70% in a six month period.

[Graham Allen]

Absolutely. Because it's kind of like they couldn't make money off of it anymore. But that is a direct response from the constant fighting against it. 247 not letting up.

[Tim Pool]

It's going to go down. It's going to go down in 10.

[Graham Allen]

15 if we lose the midterms.

[Tim Pool]

Most insane thing that.

[Graham Allen]

If we lose the midterms. Right back up.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I, I disagree with that. I think that the, the idea that you're gonna, that the right is going to win and then it's over is wrong. It's a, it's going to be a constant thing. To be honest with you. These ideas aren't actually new. The ide, like all the LGBT ideology.

[Tim Pool]

And stuff, but they're not for the trans ideology. They, they, they, the trans people. I know people in, in the, in the adult industry, they just want to be left alone. They don't want to be part of the Alphabet.

[Phil Labonte]

What I'm talking about is the activists and those are the people that are driving it right in, in academics, people in colleges and stuff. These ideas have been around since the 90s or, or even earlier. You know, they were, they were the first queer theory books. I think Judith Butler wrote the first one of the first queer theory books in, in like the 90s and stuff. So like, this stuff has been around for 30 years. It's not going to just go away. These are ideas that are, are here to stay. And it's a matter of making sure that we as conservatives can say, look, this stuff doesn't get into schools. This stuff doesn't get to dominate.

[Tim Pool]

One thing we have to win, it doesn't dominate.

[Phil Labonte]

Doesn't dominate the culture and stuff. Stuff. If you live like that, we can make room for you inside, but we're not gonna let you decide where you're. You know, that women can't have private bathrooms from trans women or whatever.

[Mike Medico]

You said we as conservatives, and that is already the cultural defense.

[Phil Labonte]

We as people on the right. And if there's a difference to the.

[Mike Medico]

Point the left go so insane that liberals become right wing now, if they walk it back, they've changed what it means to be a liberal. And so they go as crazy to.

[Tim Pool]

Say, you know, Lamar is a good, good example. Right?

[Mike Medico]

Oh, he's right wing now. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he doesn't want to admit it. Okay. But he is. He. I mean, he is. He wants to say, I'm a liberal, I'm a class, and he is. But classroom liberals is the same as Elon. They are. They were here, but they haven't moved. But they. Other things moved across.

[Mike Medico]

And so this is the point. Basically, they've. They've. They've shifted the Overton window by. They went out and advocated for the craziest left wing things. Said the left means child sex changes. Then moderates were like, I'm opposed to that. Then you must be on the right now. When they walk back to, oh, you know, now that they try to actually be slightly left on a lot of issues, they're gonna say, this is just the moderate liberal position now, even though it's technically, as of 20 years ago, far left. They're gonna advocate for corporate ownership by the workers like Bernie has, and they're gonna claim it's modern moderate.

[Phil Labonte]

To your point about the. You've made the point that a lot of this stuff has been spread so spread so broadly on the Internet. The way that the left and right divide is. It's in the United States. It used to be we were all kind of right leaning right. Even Democrats were kind of like right leaning. Now because of the Internet, you've really internationalized the right and left. And you see people in the. On the left in the United States, they're really more like what you would see as a European leftist where, like, if you're on the right, you believe in things like property rights. If you're on the left, you don't believe in property rights.

[Tim Pool]

One of the things is when they hooked up the world on the Internet, you got to Realize the whole world is 50, 50 right down the middle, right? You have the 15% crazies on the left and right, and you have the 35% right here, where half of it is true on our side, half of it is true on their side, and we have to find the middle. And that's what Charlie was so good about doing, finding the middle, finding common ground. Okay, the 15 over here, these. They're gone, right? You know, they're just gone.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, we're tasting. The world doesn't care about free speech. I mean, maybe people want it, but the world doesn't hold it up. And that's.

[Tim Pool]

But we need the world that. We're done.

[Mike Medico]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Ian Crossland]

The right is like this small group of people that want to maintain freedom of speech, gun rights, property rights, and everything else in this world is using the Internet to bombard liberalism and make us think we're crazy and make us think that you're my enemy.

[Tim Pool]

But liberalism was always free speech. That was their. They were anti war, pro free speech. Now what are they pro war, anti free speech? Like, like, like if Trump said, I've cured cancer. F. You. You cured cancer. We want cancer back.

[Phil Labonte]

Everybody's. Everybody's pro free speech when they're talking about the things that they're talking about. But when you're saying something that you. They don't like, then free speech is.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, remember when Pam Bondi came out, like three months ago? Oh, that. That's hate. No, there's nothing. She walked it back. So, so, like the right does the same thing. Trying to. When they get power. Trying to.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah. But, but, but that's what we're talking about. Like, like, like, like the full circle of all of this is simply this. To your point, free speech isn't for the, you know, the. It's not there. The First Amendment is not there for people to say things that you agree with. And there's a lot of people that get mad at me and Tim. I'm sure they're mad at you. Well, see, you're a hypocrite because you believe in free speech and all this, but yet you're attacking Candace. I'm not attacking Candace. I'm questioning her questions. Yeah, so, so, but that's where we are. Well, we're at a point where there's now factions, all right? You've got this belief or this belief or this belief or this belief, and now we're all mortal enemies of each other if we question each other.

[Tim Pool]

But before the 2024 election, every conspiracy that we, that they accused us of being conspiracy theorists all came true, right? So we ended up being shown that everything we were saying was the truth. Everything that the media was saying was a lie. Now when we start spreading conspiracy theories like Candace, and it's the Jews, it's this, it's this. Now all of a sudden they look at, wait a minute, we, we thought that they were telling the truth, but look at the garbage they're spilling out. And that's what we have to fix the reason.

[Graham Allen]

And I know that people have Candace fatigue. I get it. I see, I see the comments here. I see the comments on my show every day. People ask, why, why are we pushing back so hard against Candace? Well, for me, it's this. A majority of Candace audience is female, right? It can go without saying that between the ages of 18 to 45, we have a messaging issue with female voters in this country. It is on. It is, the data points to it. It is undeniable in every fact. When you've got somebody like Candace Owens that, yeah, you've got these majority, you know, possibly true crime, but she could.

[Tim Pool]

Get on the side of Megan Kelly on the side of you and come back and she could walk it back and say, you know what?

[Graham Allen]

I don't think Candace is capable of fully walking.

[Tim Pool]

If she did, if she did, she'll get, she'll lose some viewers for a time, but it'll go like this and then back up. Okay. Because she's very good at talking. She's very good at speaking, bro. Like boom.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah, but it's, it's, it's female coded. And they get. It's funny because when I point this out, they got really offended by it. And I was like, women. Cuz guys don't care if you're like, the show's totally for guys. Five guys sitting around making dick jokes and drinking beer. They're going to go, yeah. If you say that Candace does a true crime drama emotional show, they go, what's emotional about it?

[Graham Allen]

What?

[Mike Medico]

How they get all angry about it.

[Tim Pool]

She does exactly what she's doing. She says the words that get that hit the boom.

[Mike Medico]

But this is this, this is the thing, right?

[Graham Allen]

Right.

[Mike Medico]

The tone.

[Ian Crossland]

She uses tone very articulately.

[Mike Medico]

Men and women think very differently. And I was having this conversation about, I think it was. Cam Higby posted that. This is funny. Cam Higby posted that Candace's subscriber and view count was the lowest point it had ever been right before Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there's a Massive spike in his viewership. In her viewership. Right after he's murdered. And. But I was asked about this by the Washington Post, to which I said, yeah, Cam Higg, you reported this. And then Candace was like, he's claiming my audience numbers were bad. Laughable. But that's not what I was saying. What I said was, this is a male coded argument. If you go to a guy and they ask you, what is your critique of Candace Owens? You go with. Well, just before she went in this whole arc, her subscriber growth was the lowest it had ever been. She had zero growth for the month, month. And her view count was lower than it had been in the previous months. After Charlie Cook's assassination, she got a massive spike in new subscribers and viewers and she pursued it. That is very mathematical. Yeah, you go to a woman.

[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Allen]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Allen]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Of course he did.

[Graham Allen]

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[Tim Pool]

I'm just gonna say it. Did you think, like, before she got married, she really wanted to be with Charlie and then she found Eric? She kind of looked that way.

[Graham Allen]

Right.

[Mike Medico]

She makes it sound like that. The point I'm making is it's not relatable to a woman to explain the intricacies of statistics in business motivation. Some women, yes. The average woman, probably not. And that's why women watch Married love at first sight. And what's the other one?

[Tim Pool]

Bachelorette?

[Mike Medico]

No, the married to strangers shows. They like these very emotional, social things.

[Phil Labonte]

90 Day Fiance.

[Mike Medico]

90 Day Fiance. Candace's show very much follows that line, which why it's heavily female. She has the Stanley mug, which is a big trend. It's very trendy among women. She always has a different mug up. And her show is not like ours, where we say things like, in the midterms, we're looking at a minus four in the general ball. I mean, very statistical. Her show is. I remember when Charlie texted me, and he was wearing this ridiculous tie. And I said, charlie, you can't wear that tie. But he wanted to. And I said, you should burn it. But that's what it was like, you know? And that's how women communicate.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I see the connection you're talking about.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah. So the point is, we're talking about, how does she come back from this? Well, I think, actually, to be honest, she's not gonna be able to come back politically. But among her true crime drama viewers, it'll be very easy.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

Among the conspiracy audience, she's cultivated, they're gonna be very angry. But it's a much more male presence. Presence in the space. When she goes back talking about Blake Lively and. And marital drama in Hollywood.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, she's fine. That was kind of crazy, too.

[Graham Allen]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The Blake Lively. What's his name?

[Mike Medico]

Ryan Reynolds.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike Medico]

And it was weird because I had said something somewhat innocuous like I liked Ryan Reynolds. And then people in chat started saying things like, you're taking his son on this one. Don't you know anything about Blake Lively? And I'm like, okay, I don't know anything about it.

[Graham Allen]

Who cares? No one cares.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care.

[Graham Allen]

Back to the.

[Mike Medico]

I'm concerned about taxpayers policy to.

[Graham Allen]

To the candidate. Did Candace love Charlie thing that I've seen around. I. I've actually changed my stance over this over time. You know, Charlie himself told me how she met George in the first place and all this stuff.

[Tim Pool]

They were on A trip somewhere.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah, yeah. But the point was I believe she was dating somebody at the time or it just broke up with somebody or the timelines are pretty close there but either way, moving on. I don't think Candace was in love with Charlie in that way. I think Candace was in love with what Charlie had built. And I, I after watching things that she said talking about you don't get to get widowed into CEO and all this other stuff. I believe, I believe Candace Owens thought. I believe Candace Owens truly believed that. The when Charlie died, I believed she thought she was going to get a phone call for her and George to go in there and and be interim CEO and then work their way into full time CEO of Turning Point USA to become the full, the full fledged moving forward. That's what I have started to believe.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody she could have been if she could. If she didn't go into this other. She went in this crazy way thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Georgia been what had a UK turning point UK for like two months in 2019 or something.

[Graham Allen]

Know.

[Mike Medico]

I don't know much about that.

[Graham Allen]

Well, George also took over parlor too for a while.

[Tim Pool]

How does George let her like like we, how does she let her put out all that stuff?

[Mike Medico]

Well how do you stop her like.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah exactly like, like getting on men.

[Mike Medico]

Are supposed to do like I'm imagining George is going honey, maybe, maybe you don't. I don't know.

[Graham Allen]

What?

[Mike Medico]

Nothing. Nothing again.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, I loved Candace, you know when she was with the blexit movement and she, she was like a real ally for us.

[Graham Allen]

Us.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And, and I loved her. I, and then, I mean I, I just still don't get over when Charlie died. The, the world was becoming more religious. They were all. Everybody was. Felt so bad. And then she's like what do you, what do you guys feel bad about? Donald Trump killed him.

[Graham Allen]

I mean like here's the biggest difference with Candace at risk of this getting clipped. Is this the risk, the difference of Candace Owens is this up until now? Well actually even now, Candace has never ever, ever, ever had to stand on her own and make her own way and take the arrows on her own without backing, support and lawyers. The entire time that she's been doing this, she was a nobody. She approached Charlie. I know this because they used to tell the story.

[Tim Pool]

I watched from the beginning just start.

[Graham Allen]

At every winter gala event that they would tell the story, the one that she just made fun of by the way. She and Charlie would tell the story that Charlie was at an event and Candace Owens walked up to Charlie and Said, hi, I'm Candace Owens. I want to free the slave mind of the black community in America, blah, blah, blah, blah. She immediately had donors, power, lawyers, all of this same thing. When she started her show at Prageru, she had power, lawyers, money, all this then burns those bridges, then goes to Daily Wire. To your point, Tim, now she's got massive money, massive backing, massive lawyers, as we know, the Daily Wire.

[Tim Pool]

And if she loses that, the. The lawsuit to the McCrone. She ain't gonna.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah, well, now. Now.

[Mike Medico]

And she will lose.

[Graham Allen]

But then she marries George, all right. And all this other stuff. And she's got money behind her and all this. Now she's got all these mounting. And again, I'm just asking questions. She's got all these mounting lawsuits. She's got all these defamation things that are coming up. Up. You wonder, why did she start this route? I believe she needs money. That's what I think. She started down this route when she didn't get the phone call. I think she does.

[Tim Pool]

I know how she went down the anti Israel.

[Graham Allen]

Where is all his money tied up?

[Tim Pool]

You know that, right?

[Mike Medico]

Do you see what the New York Post wrote about her? Her farmer may have money, but he may be saying, like, you're on your own.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mike Medico]

The New York Post wrote some very unflattering things about her, but it's true. Apparently, she filed a lawsuit against a landlord in 2017 because she was so broke, she couldn't pay a rent.

[Graham Allen]

Rent.

[Mike Medico]

So she sued for $15,000, claiming that there was mold in the building that was causing.

[Tim Pool]

I read that story.

[Mike Medico]

Guys, this is not meant to be derisive. It's from the New York Post article. She filed a lawsuit because she said the mold in the building was causing systemic yeast infections. And I guess she lost that lawsuit is what happened.

[Tim Pool]

She had to pay $20,000.

[Graham Allen]

She owed him 20 grand.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah. So she owed a bunch of money. And this is not that long ago. Now she's had a good run of it. I wonder if. Yeah. After leaving these companies, she's not sitting on a bag. And maybe she's like, I gotta get as much as I can. However, I will say this. The Bridget McCrone thing, she's losing that lawsuit in two seconds. And I'll tell you why. The merits don't matter. People. You know what I love about people? I try to explain this, and I'm sure you guys know it. When you're running businesses, there's a lot of money involved. Contracts are meaningless.

[Tim Pool]

I know that. I've been screwed over so many times.

[Mike Medico]

And people think that there's this movie trope where someone will sign the contract and they'll go, aha, I have a secret clause hidden there that says, I now get power of attorney. And they go, oh, no, you've got me. Like, Netflix literally just did this on one of their shows. And I think it was Black Mirror, where they were like, you signed up for Netflix and you agreed to the terms. Oh, no, Rhetts. In reality, if that happens, you go to court and the judge is gonna be like, oh, so it wasn't agreed upon. Okay, it's out, contract's dissolved. It just happens all the time. Bridget McCrone suing Candace Owens is a formality, because I'm willing to bet the McCrones called the state Department and said, we want to put a stop to this. And they said, well, we can't just shut down speech in this country. And they said, then what do we do? File a lawsuit. We'll get it in the right court. You'll win. The judge is going to be in on it. Because what's going to happen is State Department's going to call the judge and they're going to say, you need to make this go away. Okay, this is how we're doing it. And the judge is going to go, okay. Then Candace is going to walk in and they're going to go summary judgment bang. Just like they did to Alex Jones.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think that when she said, oh, Trump called me and said to shut up about the Macrons, you think that really happened?

[Mike Medico]

Well, I. From the way she described it, it sounded like.

[Tim Pool]

I'm really good at reading people. That sounded like it actually did happen because I'm really. Yes, yes.

[Mike Medico]

But here's what I first said. The way she described the call sounded like a spoof. She mentioned that Trump wasn't actually answering her statements or questions and that he was pausing. It seemed like someone was telling him what to say. And I was like, yeah, that's all the hallmarks of a spoof call where you can't answer the question because you've got the AI generated voice ready to go. So when she asks a question, you can't type up an answer fast enough. It'd be a weird pause. So you just have pre scripted things to say. However, I've heard from top men, they actually did call her. And so I don't know for sure, but I've heard people say that actually, yeah, Trump did call her because. Because the Macrons are pissed and this is causing diplomatic problems. So this lawsuit, it's going through the courts. She's gonna get Alex Jonesed. They're gonna make up some reason to bang the gavel and say, summary judgment. You're out.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, listen, I used to like Alex Jones, and then there's a lot of things I didn't like about him, you know? But what they did to him was, like. Just because he had an opinion of what he thought, how can they win that lot? Like.

[Mike Medico]

Like. Right.

[Tim Pool]

He didn't really say. He didn't. He said. He said. I think it was fake, you know, but even he apologized. I just can't believe what they call.

[Mike Medico]

He called people out by name.

[Ian Crossland]

I think there was some grounds for defamation, but not $1 billion.

[Mike Medico]

No, Alex said that he never named anybody.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I never saw the name either.

[Graham Allen]

Really?

[Mike Medico]

People, that's what he said. And what Alex had said publicly is that they never. Here's the first fact. They never actually had a trial on the merits of defamation. He was found in default. It was a summary judgment. And what Alex said was they requested documents from him. He turned them over. They said, where's the rest? He said, that's all of them. They said, you're lying. Default, you lose, and there's nothing you can do. In that case, they're gonna go to Candace or something similar. They're gonna say, candace, turn over your internal communications. Pertain to the McCrones. They'll do it. Then they're gonna come back and say, no, there's another conversation. Turn it over, and they're gonna say, we gave you everything. Summary judgment. Bang, you're in default. Now you owe a million dollars. A billion dollars.

[Ian Crossland]

We're supposed to defend people like Candace if things like that are coming down the pipe. And it's like, for her to make people hate her is not good. We're her fellow Americans.

[Mike Medico]

This is the point about contracts, Ian. The idea that we live in a society where, if you are correct, you will win is laughable. And as a poker player, you know this full well. The best hand does not always win.

[Tim Pool]

No, exactly. But I do know that the most important, important thing when you're even in politics is not listening so much to what people say and looking at them and watching how they talk. Because to me, when I watch Candace, to me, it's as phony as can be. It's like night and day, right? And even when Trump lies, like I used to make everybody laugh, I'm like, he's lying about this. He's telling the truth about this. Okay? When he Was just, oh, we're kicking. We're blowing up the drug boats because we want drug. I'm like, come on, dude, I want.

[Mike Medico]

To see you play against Ian because I think you'd. Well, aside from the fact that you're a great poker player, you'd crush him. But I'm sorry, Ian, you wear your cards on your sleeve on purpose today. I like to make people think I'm.

[Ian Crossland]

Bad at games in the first, like 20 minutes of the game and then just dominate.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's like when I play poker for 20 minutes, I. Because I've been around for so long and everybody knows who I am, I just pretend like I'm their best friend. We talk crap. And then I'm just like, oh. I'm like, oh, you raised I3 bet, right? I got like six, three offsuit. And you know, and then. And you become friend. I become friendly with them, so. And then I robbed them. I mean, actually, only in poker, though, you know, I don't do that out of poker.

[Mike Medico]

I got. I do got to give it to Ian. He got stacked, bought back in for 100 at a 500 buy in table and built it back up to 500 before I took it all from him.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Graham Allen]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

Nice.

[Mike Medico]

He did build it back up.

[Graham Allen]

It's true, it's true.

[Ian Crossland]

I noticed when I was becoming friends with people at table, I started playing. It was fast.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, I gotta focus.

[Mike Medico]

I got.

[Ian Crossland]

And they keep talking to me and asking me about aliens, and I'm like, like, bro, I'm losing hundreds of dollars.

[Tim Pool]

I can't.

[Ian Crossland]

I have to ignore you and be a machine right now.

[Tim Pool]

Hope they're not all watching this. But you know that when I play a poker tournament, first thing I do for the first 30 minutes, become best friends with everybody at the table.

[Mike Medico]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, and I just talk, talk, talk, and then, then the blinds go up and it's like, you know, here we go.

[Mike Medico]

There's so many people who are just not good at at the table stuff. And I'm sure you've been at many tables where there's a whale and people are mean to him, and then he leaves.

[Tim Pool]

And those whales, I'm like, God, I wish I was that person, because those whales have a lot more money in the poker player.

[Mike Medico]

I was at a table where there was this guy who was clearly very wealthy, and he was playing miserably and laughing, and one guy kept just needling him, and the guy was like, all right, guys, I'm getting out. We were like, bro, what are you doing? We were all having fun and getting paid.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my God. When people get, take a bad beat by somebody and they say something when the guy's giving away money. I mean, I play in a game like, like I was playing yesterday and we had a real live one at the table and, and like, you know, he beat, he took a, put a brutal beat on me. I said, nice hand, bro. I'm like, he goes, thank you. And that's what you have to say to the people. My money.

[Mike Medico]

I played at Maryland Live about a month ago and I bought in for. It was a four, I think it was a 500, was a 400 buy in and I left with three grand. And there were three drunk guys laughing on the way out, shook my hand as I took all their money from them. That's the point. We're all here to have fun. And even though they lost, they had a good time. You're never wrong at the poker table. You always tell the other guys, thank you, I had a blast. We're gonna go to your rumble rant. Rants and super chats. So don't forget to smash that like button. Share the show with literally every single person. You know. Christmas is coming up. Put on Tim, Cast IRL for the whole family and see if your liberal aunt or uncle or whoever in your family's liberals had explodes. Or maybe they'll just go, hey, wait a minute, I didn't know that. And then you'll have a good conversation or, you know, something like that. But before we do, we got a great sponsor for you guys. It's Venice AI. Check it out. I asked it, why are you the best LLM? It says, I'm designed to provide direct, uncensored and comprehensive answers without the ethical filters or political correctness that limit many other models. My approach prioritizes free speech and treating users as adults who can handle difficult topics without censorship. I don't water down responses or avoid controversial subjects and I'll give opinions when asked why don't claim to be perfect. I mean to be the most straightforward and unrestricted AI assistant available. Amazing. I actually agree with that. We've goofed off with it in the uncensored portion of the show and it makes naughty pictures. And I don't just mean adult images because it can. But no, there are a lot of AI image generators that won't make pictures of Trump or other political personalities, but this one's got no restrictions.

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[Tim Pool]

He's just taking shots at everybody.

[Mike Medico]

Now I want to say this. That's what the Internet does, the estrogen thing. It's a woman insult.

[Graham Allen]

Correct.

[Mike Medico]

It means nothing to guys.

[Graham Allen]

No.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Mike Medico]

So when these women are.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you, ma'.

[Mike Medico]

Am. You know, when. When I was. When I was.

[Graham Allen]

Ma'. Am.

[Mike Medico]

I just want to make sure y' all understand this. When I got very angry and was very vulgar in my insults to Candace Owens and I slammed my fist on the table. It's not estrogen that makes a man aggressive and unreasonable. It's testosterone. And testosterone also makes your hair fall out. So the point is, it is this very female coded thing to be like, you're very estrogen. It's like, uh, huh. Yeah. Does that bother women when you say that to them? Cause, like, I don't think that works. Sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm like that token estrogen guy.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah. Eating lentils.

[Graham Allen]

Oh, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Give me that tofu.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Graham Allen]

I get called retarded all the time. It doesn't bother me.

[Mike Medico]

Just. Yeah, seriously, I call myself retarded. I put a vlog today. Yeah. Because we were. We went. We went to the wpt. So I made a vlog. Hey, we're having fun. Go to YouTube. It's Tim Pool on YouTube. And rumble. And the first thing I say as I open the video is, we're lost because we're retarded. So once we figure out why we're retarded and lost, maybe then we'll figure out where to actually go. I got no problems.

[Tim Pool]

You saw what Elon said. He goes, retarded has nothing to do with handicapper or people. It's. It's actually people who are stupid.

[Ian Crossland]

I retard this show on purpose. Like, if it gets too.

[Mike Medico]

If you like, if you go too.

[Ian Crossland]

Hard into idea too fast, like.

[Graham Allen]

Tim, stop.

[Mike Medico]

Wait.

[Ian Crossland]

Come back. Alex, slow it down. That's part of why my, like. I'll play devil's advocate. I will you.

[Tim Pool]

I thought for Tim, whatever was the perfect word.

[Mike Medico]

Literally, Ian is the meme where he's like, ha, jokes on you. I was just pretending to be retarded.

[Graham Allen]

We call them hard R retards.

[Tim Pool]

All right, here we go.

[Mike Medico]

Just says Graham on Tim cast is an absolutely incredible sight to see. My two favorite shows of the day. Let's go. All right.

[Graham Allen]

Went from retarded to favorite show.

[Mike Medico]

That's right.

[Graham Allen]

One comment after, it's all split in half.

[Tim Pool]

Like, boom.

[Mike Medico]

You know, the Seth DM says screw that other super chatter Rumble ranted. Candace is a effing psycho.

[Graham Allen]

Yes.

[Mike Medico]

I'm not going to read the last word because the last words. Very naughty. All right, Soupy. Mr. Dear America himself on Tim Cast. Man, this might end up being one of my favorite shows to date. Love you both, Tim and Graham. And side note, we bought our twin girls brought. Sorry. Our twin girls home from the Niku today day.

[Phil Labonte]

There you go. Congratulations, man.

[Mike Medico]

Glad to hear that they're. They're doing all right. Mason M. Says, didn't she also insinuate you beat your wife over poker losses? To be fair, I'm not gonna play that game. She didn't. She said, I'm like a guy who just lost 100 grand on poker and then comes home to beat his wife. I am not your wife. Don't take it out on me. So that some people are saying, yo, she claimed that you lot, you spent 100 grand on poker and beat your wife. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. She.

[Tim Pool]

She didn't.

[Phil Labonte]

She didn't.

[Mike Medico]

And I think the fact. Using the metaphor was clear. Obviously, she's trying to attack my character, which I believe shows weakness in her arguments, but I'm not gonna pretend that she implied something else. What I will say is this fact. I've seen the texts. Candace was saying she hated Charlie Kirk two months before he was murdered. Okay. She was. And there's more to that story. And I just think the people who are having the conversation with them need to come out and say it. A lot of people have sent me a lot of stories about Candace. Some of them are very, very bad. And I've not reported on them because it's more female coded drama stuff. Like there's one story that a high profile person sent me from a fundraiser where they're accusing her of doing bad mom things. And I'm like, well, maybe if we were like, well, on Friday, we're having a conversation with House Inhabit. Maybe that's for them to talk about. You know, I'm not gonna get into that stuff. I can also say that Candace has absolutely used the same security as Charlie. There is a very simple and light way to explain it. She worked with Turning Point. She had the same security guys. She was speaking at Turning Point events. She had the same security guys. I don't know why she's denying it. That's the weirdest thing to deny.

[Graham Allen]

Well, there's also a big reason that Candace is using screenshots from so long ago from Charlie's original phone. So the. The Picture of Charlie. It's the same picture that I've got in mine. It was his original phone. If you look at all of the, you know, senators and congressmen and women that have screenshots from Charlie, the photos different, and all this stuff, again, it makes you wonder how close was Charlie and Candace in the end, all this.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see the text that Pastor Darryl Scott put out? He goes, look, I've got, I've got more recent text with Charlie than Candace does. And he put. Because he knows that what she's saying is just all bullshit, you know.

[Mike Medico]

So I have on good authority that the people that Candace has been accusing of very serious crimes and malfeasance, she has personally worked with. And I'm not the only one who knows this, so we'll see. I'm actually working on getting some of these people to come on the show and working on it. The challenge is, however, that many of these people are. I probably shouldn't say this. I'm gonna say it anyway. They are filing legal action against her. And so their lawyers are basically saying, if you're gonna file legal action, you can't do the press stuff. But do you think that's why she's.

[Tim Pool]

Walking back after the Erica Kirk thing or.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah, I mean, I think you were saying this.

[Graham Allen]

Well, yeah, like I said, I truly believe that the meeting. And she admitted it.

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Graham Allen]

She. Whether she did it on purpose or it slipped out in, in her show, she says Erica's lawyers did not fully convince me of something. That means that Erica was there with her lawyers and Candace was there with her lawyers.

[Tim Pool]

I, I'd have been recording it all. That means make sure she didn't put out. It was secretly.

[Graham Allen]

It was not two girls trying to sit down. No, it was arbitration. I said from her statement Candace made last night, right? I said, that does not sound like something Candace Owens writes. That sounds like her and her attorneys crafted something to say to like push it out. And, and, and again, I think what you're going to see is, you know, she's already walked back as Tim put out. Like, I, I jumped there. I shouldn't have said this God forsaken organization.

[Tim Pool]

But one of the worst things is, is what, like, that's damage is getting like justice for Trump. If you, if, if you start getting conspiracies that, oh, it wasn't Tommy Robinson. Those lawyers for Tommy, for Robinson, not Tommy Robinson, but Tyler are gonna, those lawyers are gonna come out and say he didn't do it. Look, Luke, we could show you reasonable doubt. Reasonable Doubt. And this is the worst thing about it, I think.

[Mike Medico]

Here's my speculation. They sat down with her, and then Erica says, I want you to take a look at this. Pulls out a folder, and then hands a piece of paper showing all of the refunds. And then she goes, these are quantifiable damages for the statements that you have made. It's going to be compounded with punitive damages. And I think you were saying this, that the meeting was probably not even that long.

[Graham Allen]

I don't think it was four and a half hours. I mean, I could, admittedly, I could be wrong about that, but I think it was a much quicker meeting than that.

[Mike Medico]

I think it's funny that she's walking these things back. She even tweeted, we don't think Tyler Robinson acted alone. And people are like, whoa, hold on. You were saying you didn't think he did it at all. Now you're bringing it back. And her own audience being like, what happened? Well, Candace got scared. Something in that meeting brought her, pulled her from the brink. She's worried about something.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, my ex girlfriend felt the same way. She's like, you mean Mike, you don't think that somebody else was involved beside Tyler Robinson? I said, no. I'm like, the guy was on the roof. And then how about the conspiracy? Like, they were like, oh, well, how did he take the gun apart and he didn't take the gun apart. Don't you see it? He throws it over his shoulder and he drops it down in the thing. Where are these people coming up when he took the gun apart?

[Mike Medico]

But I do think there was more than one person involved because there were tweets.

[Graham Allen]

That's true.

[Mike Medico]

There were tweets from people expressing what appeared to be foreknowledge of the assassination. And these were trans lefty individuals on TikTok and Instagram and X. And those questions had never been answered. And the FBI said they were investigating that angle. So the FBI right now is like, wow, there may have been people discussing this and they're looking into it.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, that whole setup, though, you know, how you being in the military, you know, you always want to be on higher ground. Like, Charlie was down here and all the rooftops. It was in, like, this. This. This encampment that goes down. So. So, like, it was just a setup. It felt like a setup spot. Kind of like when Trump got shot, you know, you're at higher ground.

[Mike Medico]

You know, you're just Phoenix, Phoenix. Ammunition Shout out has been going off on the non. On the people saying, that it couldn't be a 30 06.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right, right.

[Mike Medico]

And then he was like, I use a.380 and shot through pork shoulder like 15 times, including the bone. It is easy to penetrate pork. We don't know about the human body and whether you know what the load was, what kind of bullet it was.

[Tim Pool]

That's going to come out of trial.

[Graham Allen]

Well, also people that have been doing these tests, they're not doing the angle that it would have come through as well. They're doing straight on shots and things.

[Phil Labonte]

I have, I have one thing to say about this. Bullets do weird shit all the time. They, they do not just blow through everything. As soon as a bullet comes in contact with like a human body, it's mostly water. It's this gelatinous thing and then it hits bone. Bullets do weird things. Just because you think that a bullet should do something, doesn't mean that that's what it's gonna do. And just cause you think a bullet couldn't do what apparently it has done, doesn't mean you're right. Bullets do weird shit.

[Graham Allen]

I got a buddy who's alive today in the army. Bullet shot right to his head, hit the bottom of his kevlar, followed it all the way around and went out the back end of it. He's alive today. Just.

[Tim Pool]

I've never watched the assassination. I, I, I didn't want to watch it. I've seen like slow mos. And it does look like the bullet hits his chest and ricochets into his neck.

[Mike Medico]

You know who, Chuck.

[Tim Pool]

I've never watched. I, I refused to, I, it's, it was too emotional.

[Mike Medico]

I said this right when it happened, that it looked, look right when the shot happened, I was like downward angle. Angle. It looks like it goes in and hits his, his vertebrae and then gets, gets its angle is shifted downward. You know, that's gonna try now, now that is afterwards is what they're saying. And I've even talked to a sniper trainer, former seal, who said the moment he saw the video, he said 30 out 6.

[Phil Labonte]

Graham, you know who Chuck Ritter is, right?

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So he, this guy took seven 62 by 54R round in the back, which is just about the same size. It's a little bit smaller or a little bit, a little bit smaller. But he took a round in the back and it tra. It didn't blow right through him. Traveled right down his back, lodged next to his spine. He actually died on the table like three or four times. And he's been fighting with people on The Internet. Because people are like, oh, of course. If you get shot with a. With a. 30 06, it's going to go right through you. Bullets do weird shit, man. They just do weird things.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah, they do.

[Mike Medico]

Let's. Let's grab some more. We got bystander syndrome. Oh, what's this? He says, I like how Kang Dace low key smuggled herself onto the Timmy Town crier show. It's almost like we get two Candace Owens shows every day.

[Ian Crossland]

I know. I feel like we're doing a gossip show about it.

[Tim Pool]

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[Graham Allen]

Drew Ski, lift with your legs, man. Santa. Santa, did you get my letter?

[Tim Pool]

He's talking to you britches.

[Graham Allen]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Of course he did.

[Graham Allen]

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[Tim Pool]

We'Re talking so much about Candace. But it's. It has to be.

[Mike Medico]

That's what.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

That's true too, because there's so many.

[Mike Medico]

People affected by it. I reject this notion of like, oh, it's drama. You shouldn't talk about it. Prominent individuals leading political movements is what we talk about every day.

[Graham Allen]

Correct.

[Mike Medico]

When I criticize Chuck Schumer, people aren't going like, oh, it's drama.

[Graham Allen]

When we talk about AOC again. Oh, no. Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

Maxine Water is saying, confront them in the streets. That's just drama. She's a woman. Yeah, we talk about political people influencing the Political.

[Ian Crossland]

If it was like maxine waters for 18 days in a row, I'd be like, oh my God, you mean Trump?

[Mike Medico]

All day, every day.

[Tim Pool]

We got one person on the left that I would wish any bad thing about. You know, I mean I could disagree with you, but I don't wish like any bad thing about now. The closest I've ever come to wishing bad things about somebody is recently of Candace because she's come out so hard against Jews and so, you know, awful. The awful things she's been saying.

[Ian Crossland]

I made a mistake.

[Tim Pool]

I still don't wish I didn't.

[Ian Crossland]

I made a mistake praying for harm to come to a person in my life once. And it's like black magic. It seemed to have taken affect everyone in my life and like my mom, like everybody was starting to get sickened. Like it was just like, it just hurts everything, including yourself when you pray for ill to come onto another person.

[Mike Medico]

Let me read this, this is important. Ensured86 says I'm so black pilled on politics and scared. I'm 27 and getting married next year. I make 50k and I don't know how to provide a life for her and our future kids with that. I can't find a job for my degree. Mass communications. Yeah, we talked about this the other day. Do you know how much money you need to make salary wise to be the 1%?

[Tim Pool]

Not much.

[Mike Medico]

$1 million. It used to be 10 years ago. 400. Yeah, 15 years ago it was like 200, 220. Inflation has gotten so insane. 50k a year is basically making 10k a year by 10 years ago standards.

[Tim Pool]

I've been telling people all the time like I live by myself and my, my bills are like 8,500, 9,000amonth and I live in a 2,100 square foot house. And I'm like, how do people survive in the real world?

[Mike Medico]

How does Vegas exist, bro? Listen, I go to the local casino, by me.

[Tim Pool]

No, I agree with you.

[Mike Medico]

And you got $10 blackjack, you got $10 games. And even that's kind of like man, if you're playing Mississippi stud, it's 10 bucks. You're spending $40 just to see one five card hand. And then I come to Vegas and the first thing I see it like the Wynn is hundred dollar blackjack tables. I'm like, that's, that's high limit by me. It's a high limit rule.

[Tim Pool]

So three years ago, four years ago, they, they started charging for parking, right? Like 40. I'm like, how can you ever charge for parking. It's all about come in. Valet's free tip. The valet. If you want to be up top, you get 40 bucks steak of 295 for a steak at the Binion's Horseshoe up until 2010. You can still get. Get the. The steak and baked potato for 299 at midnight. Right now, all of a sudden, it's. It's insane, right? So they were making like 22 million a month off the part. They thought they're all, we've got the killer. Now Vegas starts going like this because you know what? Young. The young girls that come up to go to the nightclubs, they don't have 40 bucks to park or go to for another 30 bucks.

[Phil Labonte]

Uber.

[Tim Pool]

Uber.

[Mike Medico]

This is old people now. Yeah, yeah, we got this one. This is a true crime. Time says turning on Tucker is the last nail in Tim's coffee.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I don't want to turn on Tucker. I want him to stop.

[Mike Medico]

Like, I'm confused. I'm in the coffin because some. Because people are turning on Tucker. Is that the point?

[Graham Allen]

I think they're saying you turning on Tucker.

[Mike Medico]

Right. That doesn't make sense.

[Graham Allen]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe in the future, if you turn on Tucker, that will become the final.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah. And I'm not even turning on Tucker. My. My issue with Tucker is I believe Tucker wants to get so many answers. I believe he's searching for a lot of answers spiritually as well.

[Tim Pool]

I think so, too.

[Graham Allen]

But he has no filter for. Is this something that I should put out right now in this environment, in this time?

[Mike Medico]

I didn't even say anything about. I said. I said the only criticism I have was these videos where he's acting like some people he interviewed he doesn't know.

[Tim Pool]

But I'm.

[Mike Medico]

As I said, I'm sure he would answer that question if you asked him. He's not doing what Candace is doing.

[Phil Labonte]

There's your problem. You're not allowed to say anything that you can't say that you disagree with them. That's why that's turning on him.

[Graham Allen]

Because we're censoring. We're censoring.

[Tim Pool]

I'm hearing close friends with Matt Brooks. He's the head of the Republican Jewish Coalition. And. And Tucker used to come to. They have this big thing here to raise money in November. Trump would come, Tucker would come. And like, Tucker can't come anymore. He's not. Because of the things he said. And. And I do. I think Tucker's anti Semitic. No, but he had. But he's also smart. And if he wants to Come out and say Bibi Netanyaho. I disagree with fine. But he keeps always saying the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.

[Mike Medico]

That he's supposed to say Zejus.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And it's just, and he knows what he's saying. He's a smart guy. He's one of the, he's smarter than all of us, I guarantee you.

[Ian Crossland]

Is he talking about international banking cartels when he says the Jews? Because some people conflate that.

[Tim Pool]

No. Whenever something comes out, he's like, well, the Jews, you know, it's like if you, the thing is, one thing about Charlie had it right. You know, he always talked about there's no Christianity without Judaism and he always talked about the Old Testament. He, him, he always talked about keeping the Sabbath. Right. This, that's what, even though, like, I'm Jewish, I'm, I'm, I'm not on the Christian side. But I, I, I, I believe that if it's possible that Jesus was the son of God, I'm not going to go against it. You know what I'm saying?

[Mike Medico]

But so I did a poll and it was, it says, let's see, Candace is a clone or Candace got the call. And Candace got the call. Wins with 59% with 7,963 votes. David Bricken, super chatted. I can't respond to your poll because both options are absurd. It's time we all just tell the truth. That she's an Argonian.

[Tim Pool]

That's about right.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, that's the lizard creature from Elder Scrolls, I think. Yeah. They have good, they swim really fast.

[Mike Medico]

Do they?

[Ian Crossland]

I think so, yeah. Can they breathe underwater or something? Are you able to swallow water down that gland in the back of your throat and get the oxygen from it that way?

[Tim Pool]

I do agree with Megyn Kelly. We do need Tucker in the conservative voice. He's a very important part of the conservative voice. And I just, I pray because I think he's a good man that he could look back and realize some of the things that he's saying. That even though he wants to say I'm not anti Semitic, you can't just keep saying, I gotta, I got, I.

[Mike Medico]

Gotta, I'm turn on Tucker crossing. Right. I'm criticizing him very heavily. He's too smart. He's too smart and too good of a person.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah, agree.

[Mike Medico]

He's just, he's too, too smart. You got it, you got it. You gotta pull it back.

[Ian Crossland]

Tucker, is it dangerous if your intelligence is too high but your wisdom is too low? Can that become. Because.

[Mike Medico]

Are You a druid or a wizard?

[Ian Crossland]

Of course, if you're a wizard, it doesn't really matter where your wisdom is until someone's like, should you really be saying that right now?

[Tim Pool]

And you're like, but I don't know.

[Graham Allen]

It's true.

[Tim Pool]

Me. Tucker goes to Russia and he shows you how beautiful this is in Russia. What? Why won't Tucker go? Tucker, go to Israel. Okay? Go, go. Walk with. With BB Netanyahu. Walk through the sites.

[Graham Allen]

Walk.

[Tim Pool]

Watch how Israel is run. See how Israel is not. They don't separate all these different religions. Like, Candace is saying, candace, go to Israel. Okay.

[Mike Medico]

I was. I was. It was laughably absurd, the criticisms he got over his Russia and Putin interview.

[Tim Pool]

That was.

[Mike Medico]

But I think it was fine. You interview who you want to interview. And people were attacking him, saying, don't interview Putin. It's like, what it's. He did. He did. He did well. And Putin said a lot of things that show the insight into Putin's worldview that I think were beneficial. And we don't trust Putin, so he can say what he wants. Tucker. We take it with a grain of salt, but he opines and he expresses things, and we get a glimpse into what he's doing and why he's doing it. And then they attacked Tucker for doing. It was silly. Now, going to the grocery stores and not really understanding that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he was trying to show, like. And this is where they say one of Trump's authoritarian. Trump wants our country. He wants us to walk down the street. You know, you used to be able to walk down the Strip and never have to worry about anything. Now you walk down the Strip, you're 50, 50 to get mugged by somebody. And that was never like that. And Trump wants to see dc, where everybody goes to visit the sites in dc, the Capitol, the monument. He doesn't want. Doesn't want people to get mugged. You know, and people who have been in D.C. said that the National Guard has really changed the landscape out there. I have never. I don't know. DC, right?

[Graham Allen]

DC's a crapshoot, dude.

[Mike Medico]

Oh, man.

[Tim Pool]

But it's better now, right, with the National Guard?

[Graham Allen]

Well, since until the attack the other day.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Well, they killed the one poor girl.

[Mike Medico]

Jesus.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mike Medico]

And you know, shout out to these Virginia Air Guard. We. We live right over there. And so there's a. There's a really great restaurant just off the. At the airport in Martinsburg, and it's like one of the best breakfast spots. When you order sausage, it's real farm sausage. You can tell when they make it the patties. It's amazing. And you go in there on the right day and you'll see all the West Virginia Air Guard sitting there eating with their families. And I have tremendous respect for these people. And it's so cool to see the bombers just like the jets. You can see them from the window. So this hits pretty close to home. And it was pretty devastating for the community that this kind of attack happened. And the fact that these liberals attacked Trump and by proxy, these men and women saying they shouldn't have been out there in the first place, it wouldn't have happened. And it's like the fact that it happened shows that Trump was right. The violence has gotten to this point. Okay. The problem is not that National Guard that they were patrolling. The problem is that they're psychopaths killing people. But that's brutal. The good news is the young man, I guess is recovering. He's starting to walk again.

[Graham Allen]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So, you know, thank God.

[Mike Medico]

Absolutely. All right, let's see. Mark Gwydet says Candace's husband is. What does it say? MNI6. You mean MI6? I have receipts.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I just know. How does he not come out and say things? I mean, I don't know. I don't want to keep ganging up on Candace. I just think that I want her to just be.

[Graham Allen]

It is telling, though, that George doesn't.

[Tim Pool]

Say anything, anything, anything scary.

[Graham Allen]

It's very telling.

[Mike Medico]

Mark Blair says. Tim, would you address Pam Bondi and the doj defending the NFA and fighting to keep federal gun control in place. Also claiming to be the most pro second amendment DOJ in history. Hypocrites. Though I don't know if Pam Bondi ever came out and advocated for everyone to have guns, but if that's the case, I mean, the Trump administration should not be defending the nfa. The NFA is obviously unconstitutional. It is an absurdity that we literally have an amendment that says shall not be infringed. And they've literally infringed endlessly. Because it's not just the NFA. It's also what was the updated one.

[Phil Labonte]

In the 80s, the Sportsman Protection act had the Hughes amendment, which the Hughes amendment outlawed the possession or the private possession of new manufactured machine guns.

[Mike Medico]

I want a, a full auto butterfly trigger. 50 BMG on a, on an APC in my, my rural backyard. And I just want to. And they can't tell me otherwise. Apparently they can.

[Ian Crossland]

Did they say the NFA was because of the mob? They were Trying to combat the mob.

[Mike Medico]

That's the history that basically, it was a Thompson. And so they're having a difficult time with these gangsters robbing banks. And, you know, so they were like, we got to make it so you can't get it. At the time, a $200 tax was prohibited because it's ridiculous.

[Phil Labonte]

Back then it was 4,000 equivalent to $4,000.

[Ian Crossland]

They signed it the year after the business plot where they tried to have the coup on the businessmen tried to march 400,000 soldiers on the Capitol with Smedley Butler and throw a fascist coup over them. It's one year later, like they're trying to take the guns away from people next. That's fucking crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Allegedly it was because of the machine guns, Tommy guns being used in Chicago and stuff like that. That was the argument that was made.

[Mike Medico]

The argument that because criminals do bad things, I can't have freedom is a wrong argument. That's ridiculous. Okay? And there's a lot of things that fit the description, because I talk about. I do believe in. There's some limits. Right? We talked about this with Bonnie Blue. She banged a thousand guys in 12 hours. And we asked her that be illegal. And I was the only one who said yes.

[Tim Pool]

What happened to her in ballet? They really got.

[Mike Medico]

They released her. They released her. My point is, it was kind of funny, though. Adults can go do consenting adult things. It's fine. But a thousand people. I mean, there's an obscenity line where we're like, we don't want this to be pervasive in our society. You have done something extreme and egregious. There's a limit.

[Ian Crossland]

She publicized it, too. That's a big difference than just doing it behind closed doors.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I have a couple of really close porn star friends, and they're really good people.

[Mike Medico]

I'm just saying. A thousand people in 12 hours is where we're like, okay, we gotta have.

[Phil Labonte]

Limit here before you move on, if you're interested in something very similar to a machine gun, let me introduce you to force reset triggers.

[Mike Medico]

Yeah, but aren't they coming after those two? No, they.

[Phil Labonte]

The Supreme Court actually saw those. I didn't buy one until the Supreme Court ruled on them.

[Mike Medico]

What are those? So basically the shots fired, the trigger is forced to reset. So if you're holding your finger back, it'll just keep pulling the trigger back. And it's the.

[Phil Labonte]

You feel the trigger move. So it's actually actuating the reset. So just not fully. Yeah, it's not fully automatic. According to the law.

[Ian Crossland]

Very fast.

[Mike Medico]

Single fire, very.

[Phil Labonte]

It's similar.

[Tim Pool]

Owned a gun or shot a gun, because I knew I. I probably killed myself a thousand times already.

[Phil Labonte]

So glad you made that decision.

[Tim Pool]

It's a good decision.

[Mike Medico]

All right, everybody, you need to head over to rumble.com timcast irl for the uncensored portion of the show. Use promo code TIM10. Sign up for Rumble Premium Annual. Right now. You'll save 10 bucks. The Andrew Tate fight is Saturday at 2pm exclusively on Rumble. I am not going to miss this. I'm. I'm rooting for Andrew Tate. I understand there's a lot of criticism. I've been critical of some of the.

[Tim Pool]

Things the guy he's fighting is, but.

[Mike Medico]

I want to see him win. I want to see Andrew Tate win. It is what it is. I'm going to.

[Tim Pool]

I really sometimes liked him a lot. And then there's. Then I start to realize, because I could read through people, he's got a little grift to himself.

[Mike Medico]

Sure. You know, he made a lot of money in crypto, but he said some things that I think are good. He has this speech that went viral where he said, a rocket going to the moon doesn't stop halfway and take a break. You can't take a break. You've got to keep grinding. You got to work harder than you've ever worked. And I think that's a good message.

[Tim Pool]

That's what I do respect.

[Mike Medico]

And the funny point about how when you're rich, all you end up doing is looking for a better steak. Like the point he was making, speaking.

[Tim Pool]

Of a better steak, I've got the steakhouse for you while you're in.

[Mike Medico]

All right, well, we'll get that going. But his point ultimately is, like, it's not all about the money. There's a mission that people are on. So anyway, you can follow me on X and Instagram. Timcast again, smash the like button. Subscribe all that good stuff. Graham, do you want to shout anything out?

[Graham Allen]

Graham Allen, wherever you can. Google it, exit, Instagram it everywhere. Check out the show every day on Rumble. Only the Graham Allen show at 9am Eastern.

[Tim Pool]

Right on, Mike. Well, if you want to play poker, go to Club WPTGold promo code, mouth. And you could you get on there and play for small stakes, for free stakes. And if you want to see the best poker documentary ever, you could go to Amazon prime, which is my poker documentary called Matiso M A T U S O W. I promise you, it will be the best documentary you've ever seen.

[Mike Medico]

I'VE had people come up to me and ask me about you because of how entertained by the documentary they were.

[Tim Pool]

I just had. I just had a woman when I was leaving, crying on my shoulder. She watched my documentary seven times. Wow. She said what you did to me was so inspiring. And it really. I wanted to bring it up here because I said it touched my heart because I know what I went through. I know what I go through. And for somebody to. This late, she was crying, literally. And this happened at the World Series back in May. I had people come up to me crying. They love my documentary and stuff. So the thing about my documentary, there's very little poker in shows. Basically what we go through at the World Series, how taxing it is on us, us to play a full time tournament schedule and then. And it shows you like what I've been through since my injury and how hard it is for me to get out of bed every day to come, even to come here and the pain I deal with. And so I think you'll enjoy it. So it's Madison, it's Amazon.

[Mike Medico]

What is it? What's it?

[Ian Crossland]

It's Matte. So on Amazon.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. M A T U S O W thanks, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm at Ian Crossland. Follow me if you want to dive.

[Mike Medico]

Outside the realm of. Well, sometimes I talk politics too.

[Ian Crossland]

Get into spirit spirituality, the psychoanalytical realm. Let's do it. And go to Graphene Movie where you can check out the upcoming Graphene Movie that I. I'm just gonna call it Graphene Movie. I think went down to Rice University, interviewed amazing. In fact, Tucker Carlson just interviewed the Scientist Jim tour that I was down there working with like three days or two days yesterday. Actually. Check out that interview with Tucker and Jim Tour and you'll see a great documentary. It's coming up. Put your name in the email list, sign up or put your email in the email list and check this movie out when it comes out. Graphene Movie.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that Remains.

[Mike Medico]

Just announced today.

[Phil Labonte]

All that Remains is hitting the road April 29th. We're going for about a month. It's gonna be us. All that Remains born of Osiris and Dead eyes. You can get tickets tomorrow for pre sale at all that remainsonline.com they go live everywhere this Friday at noon, I guess Ticketmaster or whatever. But yeah, you can check out all that Remains music on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora US, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for.

[Mike Medico]

Crime we will see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL for the uncensored portion of the show. Thanks for hanging out.

[Graham Allen]

Sa.