Candace Owens Says MILITARY INVOLVED In Kirk Killing, Says Tim Pool's Brother Tried To SHOOT HIM w/ Jamie Kennedy

Summary

Timcast IRL – Candace Owens, Kirk Assassination Conspiracies, and the Shooting Allegation

Episode Date: December 10, 2025
Guests: Jamie Kennedy, Elad Eliyahu, Phil Labonte
Host: Tim Pool

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL takes a deep dive into the latest controversies swirling around conservative commentator Candace Owens—especially her conspiracy-laden claims regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk and her assertion that Tim Pool’s own brother was involved in a shooting incident targeting Tim. Joined by comedian/actor Jamie Kennedy and the Timcast regular crew, the panel scrutinizes Owens’ accusations, discusses the state of political discourse, touches on the risks public figures now face (including escalating threats and violence), and debates the morality and efficacy of U.S. military interventions and culture wars. Despite the dark subject matter, the episode also explores the absurdity of modern “drama grifting” in political media, freedom of speech, and even veers into topics like pornography's effect on society, simulation theory, and the power of language.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Candace Owens’ Expanding Conspiracy Web (01:39, 07:56, 10:50)

• Initial Claims: Tim Pool recounts Candace Owens’ new theory that "the US military was involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk," alongside her ongoing string of unsupported claims implicating a who's-who of global and organizational actors—from Israel and France to Turning Point USA execs and even Charlie's own wife.

  • Quote (07:56):

    “Owens, in a series of Instagram posts, said she was ready to blow this case open... ‘Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and our military was involved.’... Her claim comes after three months sharing conspiracy theories..." – Tim Pool

• Absurd Scope of Accusations: Elad quips about Owens’ ever-expanding list of supposed perpetrators:

  • Quote (10:48):

    “She’ll get there. I already figured this out... The season finale is going to be: Charlie Kirk was responsible for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.” – Tim Pool

• The “Three Stooges Syndrome”: Tim likens Candace's avalanche of accusations to “Three Stooges Syndrome”—the idea that overwhelming confusion prevents anyone from actually addressing the issues:

  • Quote (11:54):

    "She’s trying to defame as many people as possible so that when they all file lawsuits at the same time, the courts will be overwhelmed..." – Tim Pool

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2. Owens’ Accusation about the Shooting at Tim Pool’s Property (20:58, 25:58)

• Dissecting the Claim: Candace alleges on social media that Pool’s brother was the shooter in a supposed attempt on Tim's life—a claim Tim stresses is patently false and defamatory.

  • Quote (25:58):

    “Let me just—here’s a tweet from her: ‘The shooting Tim Pool survived in December 2022 was committed by his brother.’... I will tell you unequivocally right now, there was no shooting that I ever claimed to have survived where my brother fired a weapon … this is an insane fabrication...” – Tim Pool

• Clarification of Events: Tim rehashes the actual incident: In December 2022, intruders broke into his property and a staff member fired at the trespassers. His brother, a company manager and Army veteran, was never involved.

  • Quote (31:34):

    “Third party called in… after staff fired at intruders. New lie is about the reporting, but everything was handled above-board with authorities.” – Tim Pool

• Verifying the Incident: The show plays an audio clip of Cam Higby independently confirming the police report of the shooting—contrary to claims by Owens and her followers.

  • Quote (29:30):

    "Cam Higby calls the correct department. And they go, yep, we've got confirmation of that shooting at Tim Pool's property." – Tim Pool

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3. The Dynamics of “Drama Grifting” & Audience Manipulation (33:45)

• The Candace Show as Soap Opera: Tim and the panel note how sensationalist media thrives on constant drama escalation, creating pseudo-narratives purely for consumption.

  • Quote (33:45):

    “Now Candace makes a thumbnail with my picture on it ... saying 'who benefited from Charlie Kirk’s assassination?' ... She is using real people as puppets in her soap opera.” – Tim Pool

• Audience Complicity and Burnout:

  • Quote (30:19):

    "At what point do the people who follow Candace go, ‘Well, she must have been lying, right?’ ... But people just follow her anyway.” – Tim Pool

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4. Polarization, Labels & Hollywood Perspective (14:01, 14:57)

• Jamie Kennedy’s Journey: Jamie describes how he was “demonized” and labeled a right-winger for simply acting in the film Roe v. Wade, highlighting how rigid ideological sorting poisons discussions, even in showbiz.

  • Quote (14:57):

    “I consider myself a dude who’s just... normal, which is in the middle. Common sense. But now I don’t know what I am.” – Jamie Kennedy

• Culture Shifts in Hollywood:

  • Quote (16:45):

    “Hollywood is way more common sense than people realize. They just don’t want to say it... but more people are like, 'this is too much'." – Jamie Kennedy

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5. When “Just Asking Questions” Becomes Harm (18:16, 19:05)

• Line Between Inquiry and Harassment:

  • Quote (18:23):

    “If you ask the widow of a murdered man, ‘Did you kill your husband?’ ... that process is punishment for the widow... Some questions are more than just questions.” – Tim Pool

• Audience Engagement as Performance: The performative nature of crowd-baiting conspiracies is dissected.

  • Quote (19:05):

    “Is the question really the important thing, or is it about actually garnering a larger audience... feeding, you know, meat to your audience?” – Phil Labonte

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6. Security Threats & Safety in Independent Media (44:52, 46:55)

• Escalation of Threats: Tim details the need for increased security amid real escalating threats—especially after Kirk’s assassination and attacks on other public figures.

  • Quote (46:55):

    “As the threat level increases and we have to hire more security... the costs become... not a core function of producing content, but a core function of survival when people are shooting at you.” – Tim Pool

• Potential Solution: Media Hub Collaboration:

  • Quote (47:06):

    “If we do a single hub, you get one security company that covers all of the content. So these are just part of the conversations we’re having on these emergency meetings.” – Tim Pool

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7. Political Realignment and Disillusionment (67:30)

• Tim’s Political Evolution: From Democrat roots to voting for Trump, Tim explains disillusionment with both parties—and the lack of a viable moderate alternative.

  • Quote (68:13):

    “My first time voting for a president was Obama. Second time…I’m not interested in this.” – Tim Pool
    “I would prefer a noble leader... but Donald Trump saying 'piggy' and stuff—it’s Trump. I’m used to it.” – Tim Pool (70:02)

• Two-Party System Debate: Pros and cons are debated, with some favoring the moderating effect of big parties, others calling for disruption.

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8. War, Neoconservatism, and U.S. Foreign Policy (78:34)

• What Makes a 'Neocon'?: The group unpacks the term ('neoconservative') and its association with military interventionism.

  • Quote (79:47):

    “Neoconservative is... the elements of the Republican Party and conservatives in this country who believe in foreign intervention, war, the petrodollar...” – Tim Pool

• Moral Complexity of Intervention:

  • Quote (89:27):

    “We shouldn’t invade anyone. We should be in our own shit... But if people are trying to fudge with us...” – Jamie Kennedy

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9. Porn, Free Speech, and Societal Boundaries (94:13, 97:09)

• Bonnie Blue in Indonesia: The arrest of the porn star sparks a frank debate on sexual freedom, cultural limits, and degeneracy.

  • Quote (94:13):

    “Women in our country have the right to be as big of whores as they want to be.” – Elad Eliyahu (ironically)

• Words Have Power and the Role of Affirmations: Jamie and Tim discuss whether language and intention affect reality, referencing concepts from psychology and pseudoscience.

  • Quote (97:06):

    “Speech and rhetoric can have worldly impact.” – Elad Eliyahu

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10. Notable One-Liners & Humorous Moments

• On the ever-lengthening perpetrator list (10:10):

  “They missed a partridge in a pear tree.” – Phil Labonte

• On drama grifting (20:18):

  “And then I’m gonna put an Instagram post where I’m like, Ian did it. That’s all I’ll say and nothing else. And people are gonna be like, whoa, what does he mean?” – Tim Pool

• On the future of media security (123:40):

  “We looked into getting robot dogs. We can mount them with rifles or flamethrowers…” – Tim Pool

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:00-05:50 – Ads, comedy banter, Jamie Kennedy intro
• 07:56-11:22 – Owens’ conspiracy roundup and “Three Stooges Syndrome”
• 12:28-18:16 – Jamie Kennedy’s political labeling experience, cancel culture
• 18:16-19:47 – “Just asking questions” vs. punishment, performance media
• 20:58-34:20 – Owens’ shooting accusation, Tim’s detailed rebuttal and police confirmation
• 44:52-49:20 – Security risks, proposals for media hub
• 67:30-74:27 – US politics, Tim’s shift from progressive to Trump voter
• 78:34-91:20 – War, neocons, foreign police debates
• 94:13-104:43 – Porn, degeneracy, freedom, societal standards
• 123:34 onward – Freaky robot dogs, simulation theory
• 131:01–end – Sign-offs and podcast plugs

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Memorable Quotes

"Accusing my own brother of trying to murder me is the stupidest thing imaginable." – Tim Pool (01:39)

"She said there's a shooting committed by my brother. That's wild." – Tim Pool (35:17)

"This is what she does. Like, I called my brother and I was like, dude... Are you saying? He's like, yeah, I'm tweeting it." – Tim Pool (119:12)

“If you ask the widow of a murdered man, ‘Did you kill your husband?’... That process is punishment for the widow.” – Tim Pool (18:23)

"To blame the pending 2026 midterm loss on Candace Owens is wrong or something like that. And I tweeted, like, why is she referring to herself in the third person?" – Tim Pool (38:52)

"They just keep the extremists in check… If you are popular enough in the party, you could take over." – Elad Eliyahu (74:27)

"Now Candace makes a thumbnail with my picture on it, saying 'who benefited from Charlie Kirk’s assassination?'... She is using real people as puppets in her soap opera." – Tim Pool (33:45)

“Listen, I don't care all that much about it. We don't need to debate the Epstein stuff. It's coming out, it's done. The point is Trump has some mistakes, but as a president, he's doing fairly well.” – Tim Pool (77:25)

"Women in our country have the right to be as big of whores as they want to be." – Elad Eliyahu (94:13, ironically)

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Themes & Takeaways

• Dangers of sensationalism: The panel criticizes click-chasing, drama-based content creators like Owens who “poison the well” of political discourse and exploit tragedy for personal gain.

• Necessity of pushback: There’s a call for the right to “gatekeep” against conspiracy theorists and drama grifters to prevent the coalition from imploding as the left did with their own extremists.

• Personal consequences: The team discusses security, threats, and how public life now routinely involves extraordinary risk.

• Political fatigue & realignment: There’s a shared sense of exhaustion with tribal politics, the ineffectiveness of Congress, and a craving for common sense and real discourse.

• Societal drift and boundaries: The porn discussion morphs into a worry about what happens when “limits” are erased altogether.

• Humor as coping: Throughout, jokes and cultural references lighten the mood even during sobering discussions.

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Episode Structure

• Candace Owens conspiracy claims dissected
• Analysis & debunking of “shooting” accusation
• Discussion about “grifter” media and cultural polarization
• Jamie Kennedy’s Hollywood/political labeling experiences
• Evolution of US politics, safety/security in media
• War, neocons, and international morality
• Cultural norms, porn, and line-drawing
• Energy, language, simulation theory
• Q&A and audience interaction

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For listeners: This episode is an unvarnished examination of how internet drama intersects with tragic reality, featuring intense rebuttals, behind-the-scenes clarification, and meta discourse about truth and audience manipulation—all with the Timcast trademark blend of seriousness, humor, and cultural critique.

Transcript

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Candace Owens has yet another conspiracy theory. It was the US military that was involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now I'm just waiting for her to accuse Pepe Silvia, but shout out to the super chatter who started off the show with that joke. I stole it from him. So shout out to I'm not your buddy guy who super chatted right when the show started. She also has another conspiracy theory that I survived a shooting by my own brother, which is an absolute fabrication. And this is nuts because I've been very heavily criticizing her. She's now claimed that I'm in financial distress, suffering some kind of personal issue. I don't know, maybe it was the shooting at my property. I'll Give her that one. And that I'm trying to sell my company, so I'm auditioning for Zionists. If that wasn't the best she came up with, she then today claimed I survived a shooting committed by my own brother, which is the most insane thing anyone could ever possibly say. It is. I mean, accusing my own brother of trying to murder me is the stupidest thing imaginable. I don't even know where her brain is. And I just, I have to say this, even though I know you're not really supposed to, but I'm not going to speak on behalf of my brother, who is not a public figure, but holy crap. Accusing someone of committing a shooting to murder a family member is, well, let's just call it beyond actionable. Which is crazy that she would, I, I, I, I don't get it. As she is, maybe she's really depressed and just trying to destroy everything around her. I don't know. So I guess we're gonna talk about that again. Uh, it does seem to be the bigger of the news stories and everybody's writing about how I had an unhinged rant slamming the table, screaming about it the other day, so. Agreed. But I guess that's news, so we're going to talk about that. And there's other news, you know, that matters. Like houses are going to collapse. Nobody can afford them. Interestingly though, when Donald Trump addressed housing affordability, finally his approval rating went up a little bit. So maybe that's the message Trump needs to have. Hey, we want to make it so you can buy a house and have a family. Because people really like that. So we're talking about that. Of course, we got a whole lot more. But before we get started, my friend, we got a great sponsor for you. It is PDS debt dot com. Fresh start. Same system. Banks. When you pay fees and calls piling up monthly unless you fight back, PDS Debt has already helped hundreds of thousands cut their debt and put money back in their pockets. Not the banks. Whether you are struggling with credit cards, personal loans, medical bills, PDS Debt has custom options to to help you get out of debt. They go beyond the numbers to understand your unique financial situation and craft a personalized plan designed just for you. There's no minimum credit credit score required. They're here to help you save more, pay off your debt faster, and start putting money back where it belongs in your pocket. PDS Debt is A plus rated by the Better Bureau. Better A Better Business Bureau boasts thousands of five star reviews on Google and holds a five Star rating on trustpilot.

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[Jamie Kennedy]

How are you, buddy?

[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

You brought up Son of the Mask, and at first I said shots fire, but then, I don't know. Do you like the movie or don't like the movie?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's. I'll be honest with you. C minus C mine.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Thank you for that.

[Tim Pool]

That might be better than a lot of other people gave it, but I didn't. I don't mean this to be rude, but I didn't have a lot of expectations for it as a, you know, I mean, it's like a goofy movie where a baby, you know, it's the mask and a dog. And a dog. Well, the dog in the first movie did, too. But it was, you know, it was like popcorn flick. I'm sitting there I was laughing. I'm not. It's not Lord of the Rings, but, you know.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay, well, I mean, I'm glad I drove two hours to come out here to start with that. Fantastic. No, but you know what? It's crazy you say that, because the movie, when it came out, was hated, reviled, of course, but now, of course, Jesus. Two for two, guys. Drink some pool water. And then now the new generation likes it. Yeah, I, I, which is wild to me.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so, but it's not a movie.

[Jamie Kennedy]

That you should put against normal movies.

[Tim Pool]

Right. You know, and, and, and this might be for three. For three. But it's so bad, it's good. You know what I mean?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Low key. I understand that. Yeah, yeah, I understand that. We, can I just say this? We set out to make a certain type of movie and we lost control, meaning we didn't have the final say. It's on my YouTube. You can watch the documentary I made about it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so you're a comedian? Is there. How else would you describe yourself? Actor.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I mean, I hate labels. I'm a comedian. I'm an actor. You know, I'm getting into podcasting. I don' Just a person that likes to express himself, but he probably comedian. Actors mostly.

[Tim Pool]

Well, right on. It's going to be fun having you here. I appreciate you coming down, dude.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I appreciate you having me, man. Absolutely. I really do. This is awesome.

[Tim Pool]

We have Ian.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Hi.

[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

How are you, buddy?

[Tim Pool]

Fantastic. Let's, let's, let's move it along. Elad.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Good evening, everybody. I am a lot Eliahu, the White House correspondent here at Tim cast. What's up, Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

Late to the party?

[Tim Pool]

Hello, everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

My name is Phil Avanti. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, we'll start with the big story. We've got this from media. Candace Owens drops yet another Charlie Kirk conspiracy theory. The US military was involved. Ooh, really? Owens, in a series of Instagram posts on Tuesday, said she was ready to blow this case open. Oh. After three months, she finally is going to do it based on a tip she received from a service member the night before. Quote, it feels like today will be the day that the government can no longer deny it. Charlie Kirk was assassinated and our military was involved. I can't wait to share this information with you guys today. The commentator who has more than 5.6 million YouTube subscribers and the 10th ranked podcast on Spotify said the scoop came to her just hours after she went to church and prayed for the final piece to be revealed. Her prayer was immediately answered, she said in the very first email she saw in her tip inbox right before going to sleep. She did not share more details. Her claim comes after Owens has spent the past three months sharing conspiracy theories about the killing of Kirk. Those include claims Kirk was killed by pro Israel henchmen who are upset he was starting to have rational thoughts about Israel in the months before his his death, as well as the claim billionaire activist Bill Ackman made threats against Kirk for his apparent shift away from Israel. And then we have this tweet from Sarah Fields. According to Candace Owens, this is who to blame for the assassination of Charlie Kirk? Based on her own public statements on X and on her podcast, I've kept track, okay? The French government, including Emmanuel Macron and Bridget Macron. The French Foreign Legion 13th Brigade, the Gendarmerie intervention group, Israel Israeli operatives and Benjamin Netanyahu, Jewish donors. The US government feds and the FBI. The Deep State, the C Turning Point USA executives in leadership including Tyler Boyer, Andrew Colvitt, Erica Kirk. Yes, his wife, Blake neff, Pastor Rob McCoy, Josh Hammer, Pierre Dupont and Dupont family Stacy Sheridan, Freemasons. The broader French interests, BB Net and Yahoo with Israel connections Egypt and Egyptian operations, planes and joint exercises, Bolsheviks and anti Christian forces. Maroon shirted individuals, suspected operatives or military TPUSA associated influencers. For example, Alex Clark. Are you done yet? There are only three possible reason possible reasons for her nonsense. Either she's evil, mentally ill or a complete grifter. Which is it? Because a truth teller is not even on the table anymore. So gentlemen, this shocking revelation that the US military was involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination. What do y' all think?

[Phil Labonte]

They missed a partridge in a pear tree.

[Tim Pool]

Ah, yes. It sounds like she finally figured it out. I don't know. It sounds like she was making fun of Bridget Macron and then the French government threatened her life and now she's just terrified and just doing what she does more because that's made her a lot of money and got her adulation and her fans tell her they love her. I have to read this from what does that say? Metaphor us. Tim Pool can't pronounce French words. Agreed.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is that.

[Tim Pool]

I can't pronounce that word. I can't say French things. I can say la shot. That's about as close as I'll get to saying anything in French.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I wonder if crackhead Candace will eventually get around to blaming Tyler Robinson for the murder?

[Tim Pool]

No, I already figured this out.

[Elad Eliyahu]

She'll get there.

[Tim Pool]

I already figured this out. Do you know what the end of the, the season finale of this season is going to be? It's going to be, Charlie Kirk was responsible for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, he planted it.

[Tim Pool]

It's like it just goes all the way around until it just creates like.

[Phil Labonte]

An Oroboros traveled from the past. From the past. The future shot himself because he was, he was tired of dealing.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, you know, I, I, I, I don't necessarily want to say too soon because we're kind of just making fun of Candace being crazy, but I, I would expect her to go that far. I mean, the US Military, the French Foreign Legion, Israel.

[Phil Labonte]

If you lose enough people, eventually something will be right.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, my theory is, do you guys know what Three Stooges Syndrome is?

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

You familiar with this one? Three Stooges? Let me pull this up for you because we've talked about on the show before. Richie knows what I'm talking about. Three Stooges Syndrome. It refers to a state of being overwhelmed by multiple tasks, diseases, or problems so that nothing gets done. And I have an image that I can show you explaining exactly what this is. Let me just pull this one up and zoom in for you.

[Jamie Kennedy]

What an episode I came on.

[Tim Pool]

Here you go. It's demonstrated by this doctor who took oversized novelty germs and tried to push them all through a single door at once, and they all get stuck and can't get in. Thus was why Mr. Burns had every notable disease but wasn't dying. My theory is that Candace Owens is engaging in what we would call Three Stooges Syndrome. As for defamation, she's trying to defame as many people as possible so that when they all file the lawsuits at the same time, the courts will be overwhelmed and they won't actually be able to finish any of the trials until 40, 50 years from now.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You know, this topic is just, you know, the Charlie Kirk death. I don't know if you were very, you were very close with him.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't say very close.

[Jamie Kennedy]

It rocked me to my core.

[Tim Pool]

Really.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I knew nothing about him other than he was a political guy.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And to see that image and the video absolutely twisted me up. So it's, you know, it's horrible what happened to him. And, you know, I've talked about it a lot.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. How would you describe yourself politically? Like, not really that political or anything.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I was never political, and I.

[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

That's all the rules.

[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Subscribe. Today, Beautiful Anonymous became politicized because I did a movie called Roe v. Wade. And by doing that movie, I was put in 2021. And they said I was a right winger, really. And I did nothing other than be in a movie about abortion. And through that movie, I had learned a lot about abortion and Planned Parenthood, how it started, Margaret Sanger, all the other things that came up with it. And I was considered. I did an interview with a paper called the Daily Beast. I'm just an actor and a comedian, bro. I didn't know anything. I didn't know there was left and right and all these agendas. I hear about it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And then they said all of this stuff. Then I was like, well, that's not true about me. That's not true. And so then I was kind of demonized through that one article. And then it started, and then through Covet, I started, like, voicing my opinion.

[Tim Pool]

Did you?

[Jamie Kennedy]

I consider myself a dude who's just, I don't know, normal, which is in the middle. Common sense. But now I don't know what I am.

[Tim Pool]

This is still normal, but the out it's right. Normal people in a crazy world look crazy. This is the where most of us are, right? Like, Ian's not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, anybody who met him today would be like, he's kind of nuts. But they'll call him right wing for simply being on this show. They'll call me right wing for simply. It's exactly as you described.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah. It's like there's just common sense things. And if you question. The thing is, is that we should be able to talk about everything and we should question everything. And when you are not allowed to question something and you're labeled, that's insane to me. So I say don't be loyal to a label. Be loyal to logic. So there's, you know, I don't care what party you are, what religion you are after. Charlie Kirk. I said this on my podcast. A lot has changed for me. And one is I don't care about gender, religion, democratic affiliation. I care if you're a good person or not. And I think that's a big thing that people have to understand. And they're gonna go, well, what does that mean? I think just common sense of being a good person.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

There are a lot of people that watch this podcast that are gonna be basically be like, oh, well, duh, Phil. But.

The situation that we're in now is if you say things that step out of line with the left, they just essentially say you're right wing. And it doesn't matter how many issues it is. It doesn't matter if it's a lot of issues or just one of their. Their. The issues they hold dear.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Bro, Let me say this. I love that you're promoting your album through this whole thing. Hilarious. Is that. Is that it's changing. And Hollywood is way more.

Common sense than people realize. They just don't want to say it because they don't want to their money up, but their money is changing because more people are like, this is too much.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, the.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You know what I mean? We're getting back to normalcy, which I would consider an 80s movie.

[Tim Pool]

You know, one thing you. Those were great. Yeah. Some of the best movies ever made.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Making more of those.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Exactly.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, me to Sherman, Illinois.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Exactly. Making loud comedies and just that type of stuff. So it is changing.

[Tim Pool]

Where's Groundhog Day? You know what I mean?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't it like, I love this point because it's one of the greatest movies ever made. It's not a big budget. It's literally just a comedian and human actors and they use film to create a time loop, do special effects, no crazy cgi. It's one of the best movies ever made. All movies today are just lowest common denominator explosions you rarely get.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Well, that's not true. There's a lot of amazing art. Smaller movies.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. But, I mean, the point is, the big studios aren't releasing these in theaters, and they're not becoming cultural icons.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No, they are. What they're doing is Instead of making 10, $10 million movies, they're making $100 million movie. They're making these super movies for 200 million, and they're making way less movies. When I was coming up, you could audition for four $10 million comedies a week. Wow. Now they don't even make comedies.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So it's.

[Tim Pool]

So it's offensive.

[Jamie Kennedy]

It's. Well, yeah, which is insane. But it is changing because of voices like yourself and other people that are saying, we're not offended. All the gatekeepers were being offended for people that weren't offended. So comedy is the first thing to kind of loosen up the culture, and I think it is changing.

[Tim Pool]

You said something about how you felt demonized for questioning, I think. Or that you were questioning. Oh, I was attacked for questioning.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And that it's. It should be okay to question what. I want to bring that up because we're tying into what Candace is doing, and that's her argument is, I'm just asking questions. But I tell you, if you ask the widow of a murdered man, did you kill your husband, that's punishment. That. That process is punishment for the widow. So, yeah, you might think you're just asking questions, Candace, but at some point, certain questions are. Are more than just questions. And I think then that argument is used against people when they're honestly like, why do I have to get a vaccination? Why? You know, and then.

They'Ll be like, hey, some questions are too much to ask. No, I don't know. There's a balance. There is a balance. You can psyop culture by asking certain questions. You certainly can.

[Phil Labonte]

Would you say that there are. There is a tasteful way to ask even sensitive questions, though. I mean, if you're asking a question, that's one thing. But if you're going on a podcast and posing it to your audience, is the question really the important thing, or is it about actually garnering a larger audience or feeding, you know, meat to your audience, that that's the kind of topic that they're interested in? Because if you're seriously interested in finding out in the context here, we're talking about Candace, Candace could reach out to Erica and talk to her. So it's not, in my opinion, it's not that Candace is looking to answer questions. She's looking to pose questions in order to entertain her audience.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, I know what we need to do every time we end a segment. Here's my plan. I'm gonna go like this. Well, it's a real interesting story. I guess we're gonna have to wait and see. So thanks for hanging out. Smash the like button. Hold on a minute. I just got an email. Let me check this out. Oh my God. Here.

[Phil Labonte]

Special tips. Email.

[Tim Pool]

Oh my God, this email.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I just.

[Tim Pool]

I. This, this, this email. I'm gonna have to do another video. Don't miss my show at 1pm When I expose.

What I just received. It's terrifying. And then you end the segment and everyone's gonna go, oh my God. And then I'm gonna put an Instagram post where I'm like, Ian did it. That's all I'll say and nothing else. And people are gonna be like, whoa, what does he mean? And then like the 1pm segment is like just something stupid about Bonnie Blue getting arrested for banging a thousand dudes. That happened, by the way.

[Phil Labonte]

Bali.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah, yeah, she got arrested. She got arrested in Bali for 1,000 guys.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, that was. She banged a thousand dudes in the UK, but she tried banging like 17 dudes in Bali and they arrested her. So she's going to prison. Oh, she's in prison now? No, we'll, we'll cover this story later.

[Phil Labonte]

Anyway, get her out of jail.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. I gotta do it. I gotta do it. Guys, we gotta jump to the next story because. Welcome to the drama. Welcome to the Candace Show. So Candace Owens has claimed that I survived a shooting committed by my own brother. That's what she posted. And she's doing this because she knows she's intentionally misrepresenting the actual story. And she is lying. Cuz this is what she does. So let me just. Here's a tweet from her. The shooting Tim pool survived in December 2022 was committed by his brother. By the way, his brother was the one who fired the weapon on his property. He cannot deny this fact. I will tell you unequivocally right now, there was no shooting that I ever claimed to have survived where my brother fired a weapon. There is no circumstance where in any capacity my own brother tried to murder me or cause great bodily harm to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'll be careful because we're brothers and we fought when we were kids. But my brother has never tried to end my life or hurt me in any way. In any. Well, in any serious way. He punched me in the arm Once. But come on. Candace is doing this because she is an insane person who lies. So I want to make sure I can say this very, very clearly. The shooting she put in quotes. Okay. I never claimed there was a shooting in December of 2022. A shooting, as if to imply someone came here to shoot. I never claimed I survived a shooting in December 2022. What actually happened in December of 2022? I posted on X at our property, where we were not present. Intruders broke in, and a staffer opened fire on these people. I never used the word survived, nor did I claim that my life was in danger or that there was a shooting. She is intentionally misrepresenting a tweet I made, which has resulted in people saying things like this. One of her followers, she didn't say try to shoot. You said it was your brother who had run off from security after breaking into your place. If it wasn't Chris and he wasn't involved, just state that as a fact. Why twist what she said? Okay. My brother Chris never had to break onto the property. You know why? Because he has a key. He actually. We ask him to be here sometimes. There's no breaking in. In fact, he can tell the security to leave if he wants to. Although I wouldn't recommend it. My brother is actually a manager at the company who does work here. This is an insane fabrication, an absolutely insane story. They've started posting photos of my brother, who's not a public figure. This is how insane it is right now with what Candace is doing. And the crazy thing to me is, well, you know what? I'm not gonna say it's crazy. I was having conversation with a prominent conservative personality. It'll be up to them to say if they want to. You know, they were on phone with them. They can mention on their show if they want to talk about this, because I don't want to go into greater detail, but they were just saying she's. She's. She's burning out. I mean, it's one thing to talk about the McCrones in a way that can never be proven. Like, Bridget McCrone is a man. What's Bridget McCrone gonna do? Like, drop trow on camera? Never gonna happen. But she's gotten to the point where to one up her narrative every day. It has to become increasingly crazier. So today it's. The US Military was involved, like, sooner or later. So the joke we made 10 minutes ago, sooner or later, it's gonna go back to, like, Charlie Kirk traveled from the future to end his Own like some ridiculous, insane narrative. Literally. Now, because I criticized her and she took issue with it and then made made up lies about me, she has tweeted she put these in quotes. I want to, I want to make sure this is very clear to everybody. The shooting in quotes. I guess technically you can call it a shooting. Fine. Even though I reported intruders came in and a staff member opened fire on them, that I quote, survived. I never said that word. I never said it in this context. That is not a real quote. And if you want to make the argument that she's using air quotes as it's meant to represent air quotes, it would imply that I'm dead. So I'm not dead. So survived in quotes. Makes no sense. I never said that word. Never use it in reference to this in December 22nd was committed by my brother. She is outright saying there was a shooting that I claimed I quote, survived. That my brother committed. This is psychotic. It is beyond defamation. It is absolutely unhinged and vile and evil to claim my own brother would do anything like this. And it's absolutely, absolutely false. She is an evil person. Now what I can say is we do have this video. Probably shouldn't play it, but I'm going to play it for you. Some guy called the wrong sheriff's department and then asked them whether or not there was a shooting reported, to which they said no. And he says that proves it. Tim's lying. The only problem is he called some random sheriff's department. Cam Higby called the correct sheriff's department and they confirmed it. And so I'm going to play the video for you and you can hear it straight from Cam Hibby. Cam Higby, he censors pertinent details and so I respect him for, for, for doing that. And here's the clip from Cam.

Ship office.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Sorry, I got tongue tied. Sheriff's office. No worries.

[Tim Pool]

Hi, this is Cameron Higby. I just wanted to call and verify receipt of a report that should have been filed with you guys or an incident.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Do you have the incident number? No, I have, I have the name.

[Tim Pool]

Of the person and the incident. So there was a shooting.

In Tim Pool's compound and I wanted to make sure that you guys have, that you guys are aware of that.

[Jamie Kennedy]

It would have been last night, so.

[Tim Pool]

It would have been the night of 12 5. It might have been reported the following morning. Thank you for holding.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I'm so sorry. Yep, no worries.

[Tim Pool]

That's totally okay.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah, we just got bombarded with an.

[Tim Pool]

Issue here, so I totally get it. Guys, thanks for helping me carry my Christmas tree, Zoe.

[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Drew, ski lift with your legs, man.

[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Santa, did you get my letter?

[Tim Pool]

He's talking to you, Bridges.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Of course he did. Right, Santa? You know my elf, Drew. He handles the nice list.

[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay, so it says here it was.

[Tim Pool]

A third party caller that called it in.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Okay, and.

[Tim Pool]

And what road do you say that was?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, got it.

Just want to check if that would be the right road. So it's a third party caller. And was it. Was it that incident I described where somebody dropped, drove up and kind of just shot at the.

Amazing. Okay, well I'm glad that's on your guys radar. And. And that was. That was in right? Yes, sir. Amazing. Okay, thank you so much for verifying that. I appreciate it a lot. The funny thing is Cam has confirmed report independently. I have not talked to him about this and they're now claiming still that it didn't happen. This is how insane these people are. So let me just make sure it's very, very clear for everybody. This is also distressing, the fact that people are calling local police departments all over the place and trying to figure out where we live and that the police would be like, yup, here's all the information you're requesting. It's kind of crazy. They do, but at the very bare minimum, you know, can't verify this. Here's what I love. So some guy calls the wrong department and they're like, we got no reports of that. And then all of these can. Candustards are like, whoa, Tim lied. Cam Higby calls the correct department. And they go, yep, we've got confirmation of that shooting at Tim Pool's property. And I think they actually said shot at the property. And now they're going, how do we even know it's real? How do we even know this is a real phone call? Prove it. Prove it.

[Phil Labonte]

That's typical of conspiracy theories, though. It's. It doesn't matter what information you prevent present or what evidence you present. It's always looked at as, oh, this confirms. There's always more questions that they're going to ask because they already believe one narrative and nothing that you present will ever change their mind.

[Tim Pool]

So this is, this is the main reason why I highlight these things. At what point do the people who follow Candace go, well, she must have been lying, right? I mean, like, she's just putting out fake things, but people just follow her anyway.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So is this about the most recent shooting? Yeah, this isn't about the one. In 2022, there was another shooting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, in 2022. This is before we set up shop and built the studio. We weren't here and it was early in the morning and it was either two or three guys broke in and we had staff on site and our staff opened fire on the intruders. Subsequently, we said on the show, don't come to West Virginia. We will shoot you. Like, don't break into our property. You will die. And I don't want that to happen in this video. You hear they say it's third party, right? We have a security company. Security company handles everything. We don't think about it. So we have guys all over the property with, with. With weapons. It's a beautiful sight to see, like a dude standing there with a, with an AR15. You know what I mean? It's a, It's a beautiful sight because I love guns and America. It is kind of distressing that it has to be that way. It's still cool because I like guns. You Know, but I'd prefer not to kind of not. Not to live this way.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But.

[Tim Pool]

So, yeah, third party called in. The new lie they're using is why was it reported the following day? Because he said on the 5th, and the police report, it's midnight. These people don't understand this. The filing was around 2 in the morning. Just after it had happened, our security team went on alert and called the police. And they were patrols. And yes, a report was filed. And then the following morning, after we had our bearings together and we knew that everything was secure and we had filed with the police and all that, I put out that tweet saying this is what happened. So the question I have is when Candace claims that I used the word survived a shooting and my brother committed that shooting, that is. That is beyond defamation. I mean, this is insane. Anybody who knows my brother knows this is just ridiculous. Absolutely not. Because he's a veteran. He's an army veteran. He's not going to shoot me. He never tried to do anything like that. To me. It is, it is. It is shockingly offensive and psychotic. But I think for Candace, she has to continually one up the narrative to create this mystery box drama podcast she's doing. So now it's. She said, Tim Pool is going through personal issues. He's having financial troubles. He's trying to sell his company. His brother tried to kill him. It's just soap opera now. Imagine all of her followers being like, whoa, Tim Pool's brother tried to kill him. Like, whoa. That's what. That's the world they live in. My buddy, Robbie Mann. Robbie, Robbie, I know you're listening. He was like, dude, it's just. He's like. It's like. It's like a mystery drama, man. Like, I gotta watch every episode. It's like, you don't know what's gonna happen next. You know, I don't take it that seriously. And I was like, dude, these are real people she is using as puppets in her Soap Opera. Aran McIntyre, in an interview with Tate earlier this morning, he said, you are not a real person. You are a character in her drama. And her audience don't see you as a real person. They see you as a fictional character. They don't understand this is real life. And someone just fired shots at our property. And now Candace makes a thumbnail with my picture on it. Cash Patel and a mystery person silhouette saying, who benefited from Charlie Kirk's assassination? We should point out that was the purpose. I'm sorry to interrupt. But also her face that I Put this out. That was funny.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Who benefited the most?

[Tim Pool]

And it's her face, really big on the thumbnail. And then it's like Tim and Cash next door, but. But no one's going to assume that's her. You know what I mean? I know it would be silly, but I mean, she's. Who benefited the most? Candace Owens will tell. And it's like, we'll tell you. And then a couple other smaller pictures was like, who benefited the most? Candace. Yes. This is what she did. Who's benefited? The billion dollar question. Who stood to benefit from Charlie Crook's assassination? And Mystery person. Tim Pool and Cash Patel and Candace Owens. Like, the biggest, most prominent picture in that title is Candace. It is accidentally hilarious, you know, and like, subconsciously, maybe even I don't. I'm not like she intended to make.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It seem like she was the one.

[Tim Pool]

That benefited the most, but I mean, she did. It's her face right next to the question.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Not even sure. How does Cash Patel benefit By having the press coverage of solving the actual crime? By finding the actual murderer of Charlie Kirk. Like, is that how he stands to gain here?

[Phil Labonte]

It helps his career.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so here.

[Elad Eliyahu]

By finding the actual murderer of Charlie Kirk. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So what she'll end up saying is. No, no. The thumbnail just represents what the show is. It has nothing to do with the title or the billion dollar question. Right. In reality, we're not stupid. We know exactly what she's doing. The billion dollar question is the thumbnail. Who stood to benefit from Charlie Crook's assassination? If it wasn't meant to imply I or Cash, she wouldn't have included the silhouette man with the question mark. She would have shown people that. She would have shown Turning Point USA individuals, people she actually claimed were benefiting.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Striking that pose. That's an anime pose.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's the Nicola. Okay. Boomer pose.

[Tim Pool]

Bro. This is crazy. I just want to stress this. She said there's a shooting committed by my brother. I guess. Wild.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's wild. I'm just here to ask some questions too, man.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's a statement of fact. That is a false statement of fact. That is a psychotic false statement of actual. My brother never committed a shooting that I claimed I survived.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So what are you going to do?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm not supposed to legally say, okay, everyone knows what that means.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So in 2022, there was a shooting and she's saying it was your look.

[Tim Pool]

So. So let's. Let's clarify, right?

[Jamie Kennedy]

There was two. There's a lot of shootings.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah. So let's clarify. Shooting is probably a fair verb when our staffer shoots an intruder. Right. However, shooting committed by Tim Pool's brother, as if to imply he was trying to kill me, and committed. As if to apply. Imply it was a crime. So a staffer here fired a shot. She's saying that she put shooting in quotes, I don't know why. And survived in quotes. Okay. I never said I survived the shooting.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So let me ask you this, because I don't know enough about this, this beef. Weren't you guys friends at one point?

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't say that we ever were like, friends. It's weird.

[Jamie Kennedy]

The media said that, like, I'm only learning about this stuff because of Charlie, Kirk, and the world that exists. So I thought, like, you and Candace and Charlie and you guys all talk to each other and in different. So. But now it's.

[Tim Pool]

I would.

[Jamie Kennedy]

The reason is the road is blazed.

[Tim Pool]

Correct. I would, I, I, I don't think it's fair to say that Candace and I were ever friends because she had been on the show, I think twice.

[Jamie Kennedy]

She was on your show, though.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, for sure. And I'd been on her show.

With Charlie. However, I actually texted with him. You know, I had his, I had his number. And I always try to be careful and say that the, you know, it's tough because I don't want to be disrespectful. If I were to come out and say Charlie and I were not friends, a lot of our mutual friends would be very offended by that statement because, like, what do you mean, dude? Charlie believed in you and he worked. Like, you guys teamed up, you were here at mfest, he texted you. But we didn't go golfing together. We didn't hang out. We didn't do anything like that. So with Candace, never talked to her. A booker booked her on the show. She came on the show, we talked. I said, thank you. Thanks for coming.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Professional engagement, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. With Charlie, it was a, it was, it was a little bit more than that. Right. Like, I would text him, I text him about some stuff. And, you know, like, I knew him, I knew Erica, and our team were also really good friends with his team and worked with them on a regular basis. So I always try to caveat that, which is kind of a, I think, awful thing to do. But I think it's fair to say we're not drinking buddies. We weren't golfing or anything like that. But I think it would be hurtful to probably his friends and family if I said I wasn't friends with him, you know? Yeah, but I think there's a combination of boredom, political disinterest, and fatigue that has created this world. And I do believe Candace Owens has a largely female audience. And now I'm going to be as offensive. As offensive as possible as I can, because someone pointed out to us, I think it was on the show, that Father Ripperger, you've probably never heard of him, but he's a very famous Catholic priest exorcist, and we did a show with him about exorcisms, and he said demons refer to themselves in the plural and the third person. So they say we are legion. It's in the Bible. Demons refer to themselves as we and us. One of the things that you'll notice with a possessed person is they refer to themselves as we and us.

Who else does that cry?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Cat Candice.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. Candace refers to herself in the third person. I'm not kidding. She tweets in the third person. This is. This is not a joke. This is meant to be serious. I'm being half joking because I'm not a Christian when I say that she's a demon. But she does use the we and us when she refers to herself. But she also tweets in the third person. She had a tweet at me where she says to blame the pending 2026 midterm loss on Candace Owens is wrong or something like that. And I tweeted, like, why is she referring to herself in the third person? That is another characteristic of demonic possession. I hope that was offensive to someone claiming to be a Christian. It's certainly a lack of self confidence. If you disperse, like, responsibility for your belief into the people around you and say, like, we think that you. I don't even like speaking for my wife. I'm not actually married at the moment. But when I find it gruesome when a married couple is like, well, we think that. I'm like, bro, let her speak for herself. Tell me what you think.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Wait, are you Christian?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Are you Catholic?

[Tim Pool]

I lapsed Catholic.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You what? Lapsed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. That means I grew up Catholic, but I. When I was like, 12 or 13.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You believe in God?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So for me and demons, too, and angels 100, this is, you know, the Charlie Kirk thing on the demon side of this, I do believe he was. That whole thing was touched with the divine, meaning that the amount of sickness of people dancing on his grave literally showed themselves as demons. And I'm not a Bible thumper or anything. I don't know enough about it. I was raised Catholic, but that. Do you agree that peop. The ugliness reared its head?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Like, I've never seen anything like that.

[Tim Pool]

I think it. It's demonic.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yes. 100. There's no other way to describe it. So we're on the same page with that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You know, we get into the debate quite a bit about Christianity in the Bible, and. And I always. I'm not a Christian. However, I do believe in God. I actually do believe in the. In most. I would say most of the tenets. Tenets of Christian morality and the commandments.

[Jamie Kennedy]

10 Commandments is pretty spot on. I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. They're fairly based. There are debates over the limits of divinity that I have with Christians. Why I don't consider myself Christian.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Meaning. What does that mean, limits of divinity?

[Tim Pool]

So there is the omniscience. What is it called? The omniscience paradox or whatever.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Wrong person to ask.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is like the Holy Spirit. No, this applies to Judaism all the same. Can God create a boulder so heavy he himself cannot lift it? And Christians believe the answer is no. And I believe the answer is yes. I believe that paradox is a concept of God. God has the ability to like our understanding of logic. And paradox is of God and God's decision as to whether or not it is or is not.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Wait, God is God? So he can do anything?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Christians don't. Christians believe that God is the logos of the universe, therefore he is bound by his nature. Maybe bound isn't the right word, but he is of his nature and his nature is logic. Ergo, it is illogical and paradoxical to create a boulder you can't lift. So that's. Christians are in that camp. I'm not in that camp. But yes, I do believe that there is a widespread demonic something going on in this country.

[Jamie Kennedy]

In the world, bro.

[Tim Pool]

In the world.

[Jamie Kennedy]

In the world, bro. Like, I. I mean, listen, I'm older than you guys. I grew up in the Catholic Church I've been in, but I've been in Hollywood for over 35 years. And then since COVID shit's gotten weird.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And I'm telling you, Charlie Kirk, like, it was this. My eyes were just. It just because people were just actively celebrating the most horrific thing you can imagine.

[Tim Pool]

Well, are you familiar with basically the last three months of what Candace Owens show has been.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Somewhat. Yeah, I mean, I have. I don't follow it like you obviously, because you're involved, but.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, well, only recently, because I started calling her out more and Certainly Crowder called her out on a show a while back, and then Allie Bestucky and Ben Shapiro. Many people before me, but I think I did it in the most. What's the right way to say it? I don't say unhinged, because I think it was hinged, but it was aggressive and dramatic and emotional. We'll call it that. So a lot of people then started sharing this clip where I'm, like, slamming a table, calling her a vile cunt.

[Jamie Kennedy]

That was last night.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, we're on edge. Someone shut the property. Her. Her. Her conspirators are claiming it never happened, and there's no amount of proof that'll prove it to him. They'll. They'll believe anything as long as she says it, even though she never gives any proof.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I mean, there's. Is. Do you have footage of it?

[Tim Pool]

We do, but we're not putting it, like. So here. Here's. Here's the impossible circumstance.

[Jamie Kennedy]

It's up to you. I mean, but if you just show the footage, it'll shut everybody.

[Tim Pool]

Show the people trying to kill me where our cameras are placed and show them the entrance.

[Jamie Kennedy]

My bad.

[Tim Pool]

Exact. So I actually, the first thing I did was I talked to the security team. I said, what can we release? And they were like, nothing, because now everyone knows where the cameras are and they know how to get in the property. And I said, okay, well, Cam Higby called the sheriff, and the sheriff said, yes, Tim Pool's property was shot at, and it's not good enough. So. So here's. This is what they said.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Higby is who.

[Phil Labonte]

He's a reporter that was just on the. On.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's the guy that was reading. Could he. Beautiful Anonymous changes each week. It defies genres and expectations. For example, our most recent episode, I talked to a woman who survived a murder attempt by her own son. But just the week before that, we just talked the whole time about Star Trek. We've had other recent episodes about sexting in languages that are not your first language or what it's like to get weight loss surgery. It's unpredictable. It's real, it's honest, it's raw. Get beautiful Anonymous wherever you listen to podcasts.

[Jamie Kennedy]

What if the cops said it had. What if the sheriff said. Did they report the FBI said that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Tyler Robinson killed Charlie? I don't know how much any law enforcement.

[Tim Pool]

You know, this is the point. Maybe. Maybe when we leave, because we're planning on relocating immediately. This is our last week here, and then we're having emergency meetings because I'll put. It's not just us. We talked about this yesterday. A lot. Like, Charlie's dead. Many other prominent personalities are getting death threats, close calls. Benny Johnson, Laura Loomer, Matt Walsh, Cat turd. Had a guy show up. I don't know about all their houses, but at Benny's house, they believe he was armed and he was threatening to kill Matt Walsh's family. So we're having emergency meetings over how we navigate moving forward, because it is getting that serious. Maybe when we leave, I'll have no problem being like, yeah, here's the footage. But here's the thing. Our security guys are like, you really think they're going to believe it? They're going to claim it's AI there's, like, literally nothing you can do.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Very true. On the AI. Here's what's crazy. Do I get a little bit of a gold star for showing up this week?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Because I'm over there as much as.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The rest of us.

[Jamie Kennedy]

This is your world, bro. I'm with Max, who's out there. And I go. And Max sends me the thing, and I won't. I wrote bro. And I go, I wrote that. And I go, is it still on? He goes, yeah. And I go, are we going? And goes, yeah, things happen. People get shot at. That's Max meaning. But no to his defense, it's like, it's that, dude, I would never have done this a year ago, but it's so insane. And before the show, we're talking about civil war and how you were educating on civil. Whatever.

[Tim Pool]

Strife and.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Civil strife.

[Tim Pool]

That's my saying.

[Jamie Kennedy]

It's insane. I'm a comedian if, you know, ask some people and just speaking out, if we're not allowed to give our opinions on things without this insanity, what world do we live in? So it's. I came here because we have to.

[Tim Pool]

Be able to talk.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yep.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And you are, you know, whatever. You're moving on. You're moving on, but you are talking. And it's important.

[Tim Pool]

We think there's a. You know, they say when God closes the door, he opens a window. And so one of the biggest challenges that the independent media space, the right wing space, whatever you want to call it. Even though it's really weird to say.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Like, you're like, so far, you're like, to me to come out here, people are like, oh, he's right wing. All this stuff. Tamara, you're not. I don't think you're super right wing.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this is the thing.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You're Moderate.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm fairly.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, but, but fairly, fairly liberal actually. But left and right, actually. But left and right is not about your political, your politics anymore. It's about your, your tribe in this conflict. So what we've found is it's a mistake to have all these different little islands everywhere. And so we've been talking with the Rumble guys and we're like, we need a studio. We need, like to bring everybody together and we need to, you know, Fox News has this, you know, you have.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You'Re talking about other people like minded, like yourself to be in one hub.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So like a crowd or. I'm not saying you're saying this or you know like you're saying Laura Loomer and all in a place.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Like Lumer does her thing. Exactly. But, but more like a channel with, with, with news programming and sports and gaming or otherwise. The reason being we all can't afford security. This is the big challenge. Right. So you know, Candace is not there lying, claiming that I'm. We're under financial distress. Yeah. Because people are trying to kill us and we have to pay with the higher, insane amounts of security. Sure. That's absolutely financial. Financial distress. The show wise. We're very profitable. We do great. So the issue now is as the threat level increases and we have to hire more security, which is not something you should have to consider for the most part. But this is the world we're in. Then, yes, the costs become. You don't have to pay for it. You can run your business. It's not a core function of producing content. It's a core function of survival when people are shooting at you. If we do a single hub, you get one security company that covers all of the content. So these are just part of the conversations we're having on these emergency meetings. But I think it's potentially awesome because it could mean that content is better in bigger studios with more crossover, new personalities, new shows. I think it could be massive for Rumble and I'm very excited. It is upsetting because we have friends, we have family, we have community where we are. We've been here for years. We have neighbors, we have stories and we, we either go into semi hiding where I only do solo shows or maybe a shows with a couple of people but no guests, no public location, hidden. Or we bring the shows to a facility that is secure. It was a, you know, Gary the other day had a great idea with a penthouse because then you can't even get up to the top floor. So we're Exploring all of these ideas of how you do a studio that is secure.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Do you know what that is, bro? Do you know what he's referring to?

[Elad Eliyahu]

A penthouse. Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Blade Runner. Have you seen it at least? Have you seen it recently?

[Elad Eliyahu]

No.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Have you ever seen it, bro?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Can you give us the rundown, bro?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there's a.

[Jamie Kennedy]

He knows what it is on his.

[Tim Pool]

Back in the sun. What do you do?

[Jamie Kennedy]

No face off the road. Well, there's replicants, but that's a whole other thing. But basically this is not a crazy thought, which is it's a cement tower, let's say say 200ft and at the top is a penthouse. And you can't get to it. So society's gone completely apocalyptic and you can't. It's just like cement. There's nothing to grab onto.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You see that movie Elysium is also like this. So it's a wild thing, but it makes sense. But my question is, has it ever been, are we seeing everything or has it. Or is it extra meaning? Has there always been this much threats and political violence or more voices are speaking out more now? And we see everything because we see everything.

[Tim Pool]

There's more threats. There's always.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Than ever, correct?

[Tim Pool]

Well, not than ever. We're not in a full blown civil war, but we are in a meaning.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Like there could have been people in Cuba if they had Twitter going crazy in the 70s. Well, in the saying all these.

[Phil Labonte]

What I'm saying in the early part of the 70s, there was something like 1500 bombings in the United States. You know, so it's ebbed.

[Jamie Kennedy]

The Olympics.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, remember, it's ebbed and flows. Like there was a bomb that blew up in the capitol in the 80s.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Well, like, I feel like. I'm sorry to cut you off, but I feel like as a kid when we would see Nightline, that was the only thing we would see. But we would see a lot of violence from over there. Yeah, over there was.

[Phil Labonte]

The United States was more unified in the late 80s 90s kind of than it. Than it has been since the aughts.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Moving forward for an independent podcaster is very huge. I'm saying you're. You're taking these a massive amounts of security that you need.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So this is. And you're saying this is a common thing with a lot of people?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I. Yes, there are a lot of people that are in this space that, that receive death threats. I mean, like, look, I'm not even like the lead guy here or anything like that. And there are people that, that Send me crazy messages and stuff like that. So like it is fairly normal to be in this space and receive, you know, either hate mail or threats.

99% of the time they're not to be taken seriously. You don't even talk about them. But clearly there is a, a small 1% of the time where someone will actually go out and do something crazy, I think. And it's shown, it's shown like with the, the attempts on Donald Trump's life, the two last year or. Yeah, and three, there was like a. Yeah, there was a third guy that was, that was talking and then there was someone that ran up on stage that arguably it could be four. But, but yes, it, it has ramped up. But that's why I said earlier it ebbs and flows.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I agree with Phil, it ebbs and flows. But I think a major factor here is social media and the proliferation of social media and it allows people to voice their opinions on this. And unfortunately it's become totally normalized and celebrated. These murderers are oftentimes on the left. I think, you know, people think the ends justify the means and according to how things are going right now on the right, as Tim has said before, again, the assassination of Charlie Kirk has been, you know, the most impactful in a generation going back to Luigi Mangioni. People celebrate this. People celebrate Luigi and say, you know, that our health care insurance situation in our country is. How many people did the. Did Brian. Was it Brian Thompson? I believe the. That was the Health Care UnitedHealth Care Insurance Companies CEO at the time. He said how many people did he murder? By denying different claims and whatnot. So people justify this violence towards people and I think it increases the violence that we see towards people. It's, it's reinforcing itself. Also we're coming off the heels of. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention a lot of Zionists are being. And Jews are being targeted for their pro Israel stances. We've seen a couple of people be murdered outside of some, outside of an Israeli embassy. I believe in Washington D.C. not too recently. Joshua Pirro had his building firebombed and people believe that these people deserve to have violence brought against them because of their political beliefs. And I think we're going to continue to see more of that. People believe that they can take. We believe in vigilantism and I'll say in Hollywood too, I feel like we really do romanticize the anti hero and the idea of the vigilante.

[Phil Labonte]

But, but I mean to.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Am I wrong.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't watch a lot of movies.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Dude, you're not. You're not wrong about the anti hero, but Charles Bronson, there was reason, there was context there he was. You could get behind him.

How old are you talking about?

[Phil Labonte]

Death Wish?

[Tim Pool]

It was.

[Phil Labonte]

It was a vigilant.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I do politics, bro. I don't do Hollywood.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you brought it up.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm far close. I'm closer to your age than you.

[Tim Pool]

Probably brought it up.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm closer to your age than you realize.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Justification for why he did what he did.

[Jamie Kennedy]

The anti hero and Hollywood. Hollywood was some. A character that you get behind and even executive go, well, what's his justification for what you're saying is, is that these people will justify. And then just people like me are going, that's not justifiable.

[Elad Eliyahu]

People justify anything.

[Jamie Kennedy]

They're insane.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But if you're pro Israel, then you support genocide. If you support Luigi Mangione, you're against.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, health and carriage a lot nowadays. The stuff that you're talking about, he's.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Got chicks out in the house for him.

[Phil Labonte]

It's crazy right now. The stuff that you're talking about is all a narrative that's been built by the left that's really been forced down people's throat for the past 15 to 20 years. The idea that people that are somehow aggrieved by society or aggrieved by the system, they have the right to enact violence on people that they perceive as being the. The. The oppressor. And that's a narrative that you see across the left. It's the far left narrative being made mainstream because of the. Because of basically the things that are being taught in colleges. And the narrative that you see overall.

[Elad Eliyahu]

On the left, it's fascinating, too, because I think we're seeing a lot of violence from the far left and LGBTQ groups. A lot of these disgruntled people, allegedly, Tyler Robinson, had a relationship with some trans person. And one of the reasons for the attack, allegedly, was because Charlie Kirk was so staunchly against the transgenderism, the ideology of transgender.

[Phil Labonte]

Hear it in that. You can hear it in their vernacular, the way they talk. They say things like, you don't think that I have the right to live because you don't believe that a man can become a woman. The way that they perceive things is you don't. You don't validate the beliefs that I hold, and that means that you're enacting violence against me.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And instead of acknowledging this very real threat from these trans, literally, mentally ill, far leftists. We have crackhead Candace run yapping her mouth about this random bullshit, making me reconsider. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Maybe the Civil Rights act was a mistake. Maybe forcing businesses to accept everybody was a mistake. Maybe giving the legal groundwork for reverse discrimination in our country was a mistake.

[Phil Labonte]

But you.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You can't demonize a whole group. No. Because of radicals.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, that's true, but you can't say lgbtq.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No, no, you can't just throw the.

[Phil Labonte]

Whole group, but you can demonize the radicals.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You can demonize radicals.

[Phil Labonte]

But to your. To your point, a lot. There's a clear poll. There's a real clear polling poll that came out today that said that Trump's polls. Trump is polling higher than Obama or Bush on this. On this day, indeed, in their. In their.

[Tim Pool]

Shall we pull that?

[Phil Labonte]

Bring it up, Bring it up.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it's a battle of rhetoric because many of these trans people with a lot of mental illnesses will say that Charlie Kirk was an. Advancing a genocide against trans people because he was denying their identities. Therefore, violence against Charlie Kirk was justified. So, like, it really depends on how you view it, because they say that Charlie Kirk was literally being violent to them. He never actually was, but that's how they describe his actions and rhetoric towards them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but let's pull this poll up.

[Tim Pool]

Check this out. Trump polls higher than Obama and Bush on this day in history. They're trying to claim that Donald Trump is failing. And I certainly have my criticisms, and I have no problem criticizing him on the Epstein stuff and being off message. However, when, you know, I'm talking to this liberal guy and he says, what's Trump's approval rating? And I'm like, well, in aggregate, it's, you know, 44, whatever, 43. And he's like, that's right, it's low. Obama was worse and Bush was worse. In fact. Fact, surprisingly, Trump is doing better than the past two presidents for the same time in his presidency. I think this lends itself further into the conversation we're just having about political violence escalation. There are people in this country that are liberal or on the left. They danced on the grave of Charlie Kirk. They celebrated his death. They celebrate these acts of violence against Nick Sorter and Andy Ngo, and they don't want Trump to be in power. They call him a white supremacist, a fascist. But Trump is winning. Even when they come out and say, look how poorly he's doing in the polls, it's like, oh, wow. Actually he's better than the past two presidents in the same time period. He's doing very well relatively.

[Phil Labonte]

This speaks to your point about how the things that Candace is focusing on and making these wild claims and stuff, it totally detracts from the, the actual important issues, which are things like this. Right. Like to. To keep people motivated to get out and vote for the conservatives and the right in the, in the upcoming election.

[Tim Pool]

Cheap housing. We could be talking about graphene housing. So easily. Graphene and concrete. You make, it's 50% more durable. Bulletproof walls. Bulletproof explosion proof walls that are cheaper and lighter.

[Phil Labonte]

You don't burn houses out of concrete. Normally you build the foundation.

[Tim Pool]

They're doing it now.

[Phil Labonte]

The house out of wood.

[Tim Pool]

How? The 3D printed concrete. Super. Have you heard of super wood? It's like stronger than steel but made out of pure wood.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Sounds like someone's working for big graphene.

[Phil Labonte]

He is.

[Tim Pool]

Oh yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Definitely a big car.

[Tim Pool]

How much. How much stock you got in graphene companies, Ian? Not much. Only a few grand right now. I, I, I, I. How much you want to bet Ian bought a bunch of stock in a bunch of graphene companies and that's why he comes in the show. He's just pumping it. No, I would start my own. Here's my fighter.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Trading graphene.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody thinks he would.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Nobody would think he'd be business savvy enough to do it. We underestimate you, Ian.

[Jamie Kennedy]

He's. Here's the thing with this I, you know, by playing clubs and you know, all over the country, this is not surprising.

[Tim Pool]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

Zoe, this thing weighs a ton.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Drew Ski, lift with your legs, man.

[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Santa, did you get my letter?

[Tim Pool]

He's talking to you, Bridges.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Of course he did.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

He handles the nice list.

[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

B R I K.com rising to me at all. It wasn't surprising to me. I mean just play Greenville, North Carolina or South Carolina play Scottsdale. But I also play New York and New York Trump, you could say New York is as blue as you want. It's more red than people realize. LA is more red than people realize. So yeah, the problem is if you said you like Trump, you got shamed for it. So what do they call it? The silent majority. So that's the thing. And so it's like I'm not surprised at all. He's. Here's the thing. When people come for Trump and they go, oh, six failed businesses or whatever, you try to start a business.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I could tell you stocks that I've lost a lot of money in, not graphene. And I've also made money. This is what you do. It's a learning process that's like going on stage and having a killer joke every time. No, you're gonna bomb. It's like making great movies every time. According to Tim Sunder, the mask was a miss. So listen, it's just like I don't believe all this, but I do believe this because the people do feel this way.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And, and to your point, like, or like we were saying earlier, it's important to keep people motivated because this is something that we talk about a lot. Like if the Republicans lose the, the, the majority in Congress this coming election, the Democrats are going to shut everything down. They're not going to. The president is not going to be able to do any more of his agenda. Everything that he gets done up to that point that they can undo, they will undo. Which granted, when he's the president, they're.

[Tim Pool]

Not going to be able to because.

[Phil Labonte]

It' borders but good is that like.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I'm just taking my ball and Go home. I mean, it's. Yes, that's insanity. Yeah, it's insanity. It's totally tribal politics, and that's insanity.

[Phil Labonte]

If, if the conservatives lose, if the conservative candidate loses in the next presidential election, because most of the things that Donald Trump has gotten done or gotten accomplished are executive orders, it's all going to be undone. They will open the borders again. They will, you will have a massive influx of, of illegals and, and immigrants and stuff. And you're going to see the DOJ start targeting people that are in the conservative sphere. Sphere. They're going to go after, they're going to go right back after parents that care about what their kids are learning in school, because they've already done all this stuff. And it'll be just like it was during the Biden administration. And this stuff matters. And the Candace stuff, I know people care about it and they, they, it, you know, it fills the, the void they have for entertainment. But that stuff doesn't affect the vast majority of Americans.

[Tim Pool]

People are scared to speak out because they know that they have an audience overlap with Candace.

I know some of these people. I know people, you know, listening, know who some of these people are. I remember back in 20, I think 20, 20, 2019, when we were in Jersey, I went to Best Buy and I can't remember, we were doing, buying monitors or something, and I met some guy who was like, hey, you're Tim Poole, right? I'm a big fan. And I shook his hand. And then he immediately starts Talking about weird QAnon stuff that I had no idea what he was talking about up. And I was like, this doesn't sound right. And he was like, yeah, you know, Q said this or that or otherwise. And I was like, I don't know about all that, brother. That sounds made up. And he's like, no, man, you just gotta, you gotta look into it. And, and, and for me, it was kind of like, I didn't realize those kind of people followed me. I mean, I guess I kind of did, but it's not like the core of our audience. And I think the reality is most commentators have a percentage of their fans that are going to be low reading comprehension. That's not meant as an insult, but low reading comprehension, easily gaslit or manipulated. Candace is building her show around this, intentionally attracting these people. That's why she says we end us. They even contact. She's talking about me and our movement, and it's like, she doesn't care about you. She's doing this to build audience. The reason why? What was her quote? She said, I'm not a flat earther or a round earther. I've abandoned the cult of science. Or something like that. That, yeah, because she doesn't want to offend anybody. She's going for low. It was something like that. It's lowest common denominator. But let's say you're a Twitter personality or a YouTuber. You might be saying, like, look, 15, 20% of my audience are big fans of hers. I'd rather not piss them off by saying anything. So nobody wants to say anything. They're all, they're. They're all scared of losing audience. Surprisingly, it seems that there are only a small amount of people who aren't scared. Nick Fuentes being one of them. I actually love that clip where he said, someone said, why did you stop noticing when it came to Charlie Kirk? And then he was like, I'm not even gonna pretend to rationalize what you're saying. You're an idiot. And then he goes, respectfully, no disrespectfully, you're a moron. I thought it was fantastic that he's not gonna play that game. Ali Betstucky came out and was critical of Candace Owens and politely, much more politely than I would have been or that I was. And Ben Shapiro. But there are a lot of personalities right now. They don't want to see their subscriber count go down. They don't want to do it. Well, if that's the worldly, like, you know, my whole point was like, I'm not interested in living in that world. My interest is this, is Donald Trump doing a good job or not? Because I'm not about the Republican Party. I can't stand the Republican Party. I mean, look at Marjorie Taylor Greene being ousted and fighting with Trump. I think, I think she did a. I think she. She was one of the best we had. Although I think it's fair to have criticisms of her. Totally fine. But she came on this show and talked about how in Congress they weren't actually voting on bills. And she, along with Massie and others, forced them to come and vote on these bills. And then Trump casts her out and the infighting is stupid. But that being said, I remember Covid. I remember the vax mandates and the lockdowns, and this was largely led by Democrat governors in these states. They put COVID patients in nursing homes and killed people. Trump is not completely innocent here either, but it was the Republican Party that offered up the pushback. That Ron DeSantis in Florida was where Aoc Was vacationing to get away from her own state's lockdowns, that if you were voting for a Republican in Congress, they were going to oppose the mask mandates. They were showing up to Congress refusing to wear the masks. That's why I think they're the Washington Generals to the Democrats. Harlem Globetrotters. I'd still prefer they win, even if it is just a doorstop and not an actual effort, you know, not an actual battering ram like the Democrats are. I will take it. And we can then focus on forwarding the line. But what we are seeing with the Candace conspirator reality show garbage, we're going to lose the midterms. And her only response was to refer to herself in the third person, claiming that it's stupid to blame her for it.

[Jamie Kennedy]

We. If you're not. Because you say you don't subscribe to any party, and I don't either. But I'm considered to the right, which I definitely, probably am. What do you. But you still support the Republican candidates because they're the best ones. You're an independent, right? Now you want to see Trump go again, and you want to see that.

[Tim Pool]

You know what's interesting is my family grew up Democrat in Chicago, like most people who live in big cities. And then I became fairly moderate, independent, slight Libertarian leanings. But the Libertarian Party I'm not a big fan of because they're kind of wacky. And that meant I was like, you know, I usually vote Democrat. I thought the Republican Party was stodgy, like McCain. Give me a break. Mitt Romney. I'm gonna vote for that guy. But I didn't vote for Obama. I voted for him the first time. The second time I did, too.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I only voted once, and I voted for Obama.

[Tim Pool]

Me, too. So I vote. My first time voting for a president was Obama. Second time I said, I'm not interested in this.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I didn't get. Same thing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, me too.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Same thing. And it's because I was traveling around the world and people forget this. Bush was made fun of so much.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And America, they said, oh, you're a joke. So I'm like, oh, we need to change. Show progression. So I voted for Obama.

[Tim Pool]

We get Hillary versus Trump. And I just remember I was hanging out in. Where was I? I was hanging out with Frank up in. Just north. Was it Connecticut? I don't know. I forgot where your studio is. Frank, shut up. And we were watching the debate, and I think it was where Trump said, you'd be in jail. And we were laughing our Asses off. And I was like, I ain't voting for any of these clowns. Hillary Clinton wants to go to war with Russia. I'm not interested in World War Three and Donald Trump is a joker. I'm not interested. I abstained. Trump wins. The whole time, I'm basically saying, Trump's bad office decorum. The office of the presidency should be better than this, but they are lying about him. Then the primaries come up for the Democrats and I'm basically like, let's go, Tulsi Gabbard. Andrew Yang donated the maximum 2020. I'm like, let's go, Tulsi and Yang. And what do they do? Joe Biden. So what did I say? I ain't voting for that guy. Donald Trump releases his second party camp. Second. His second.

Second term. Sorry, plan. And I said, I'd be a hypocrite if I ignored all the things he's pointing out, like getting rid of DEI in contracting, no new wars, which he's been really going for his first time. I said, okay, I'm going to vote for Trump on this one. I still think he's lacking in certain areas. Decorum, particularly.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I don't think decorum meaning the way he talks.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's a dick. And.

[Jamie Kennedy]

But don't you love that he's just blunt?

[Tim Pool]

I would. I would say this. Even to this day, I would prefer a. I like a noble leader riding on a steed, championing, you know, to his men, we will be a great nation. And he speaks clearly. J.D. vance has it. J.D. but Donald Trump saying piggy and stuff, It's Trump. I'm used to it. I laugh. You know what I mean?

[Jamie Kennedy]

First of all, you're talking to me, so if something's funny, I'm gonna forgive it first. That's my language. So. Yeah. Should he say piggy? No. But was it funny? I laugh my face off. But here's the thing. I gotta push back on this. Hilarious, bro. Is that. That you say decorum, but can't you just say it's all pomp and circumstance anyway? Like, this shit. There's shit going on behind. I actually think that he took the office of the president and made it real, meaning that it isn't all. It's all that we had up into him and now he's showing warts and all. Like, dude, think about it.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I can respect that.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Think about all the dirty things that presidents have done behind closed doors.

[Tim Pool]

I think J.D. vance does it. Have you seen what he tweets?

[Jamie Kennedy]

I like J.D. vance. Because I think he's smart and chill and he still does what you want. But he's also real. I like him.

[Tim Pool]

You saw. What did he do? He called someone a dipshit. On.

[Jamie Kennedy]

That's okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. No, he's, he's, he's got the professionalism, can sometimes dish it out.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So it's kind of a best of both worlds scenario. But you know, when it comes to the Republican Party, here's the issue. I don't completely agree with him on policy and they're feckless and ineffective. But here's. Here's the thing. The reason I brought up my support for Democrats in 2020 is as an independent, I do not foresee a future where a viable Democrat appears that a moderate could vote for.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Dude, use English.

[Tim Pool]

AOC is a lunatic. And Zoran Mandani makes promises he can't fulfill. Elizabeth Warren lies and proposes policies that make literally no sense. And Chuck Schumer the same. Nancy Pelosi is a crackpot. Thank God she's getting out. What candidate do the Democrats have where I can be like that represents the moderate individual? There's nobody do.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Well, I know and I live in California and we have Gavin.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And there's no way I'm supporting him.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The Democrats you would support are working for the President. Tulsi Gabbard.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. RFK Jr Jr. Our DNI.

[Elad Eliyahu]

HHS are secretary right now.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Are they Democrats?

[Tim Pool]

They were.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And Tulsi and RFK Jr are great.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So are they just Democrat in name, but not really.

[Tim Pool]

No, they're not even Democrat name anymore. Tulsi was in the party and then left the party because she was being treated so poorly. And then, yeah, was asked by Trump and I think RFK was always independent.

[Elad Eliyahu]

RFK ran as a Democrat, I believe, then went independent and then joined the administration. I'm going to double check that is.

[Tim Pool]

What a damning thing to happen to a political party that is.

[Jamie Kennedy]

See, the thing is, because you guys know way more than I do, the two party system, do you agree, needs to be disrupted?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And how is it? Will it ever be disrupted? No.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. That's possible.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I like.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Trump was an independent. Huh.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I like the two party system. I think the two party system is a good thing. I think it helps prevent extremism. I think the moderates in both parties are able to normalize.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Like there are extremes, they're extreme.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So like for example, the Democrats have the socialists, but they, you know, kind of align them within the party. And like there are Racists in the Republican Party. But the Republican Party, largely Beautiful Anonymous changes each week.

[Tim Pool]

It defies genres and expectations. For example, our most recent episode, I talked to a woman who survived a murder attempt by her own son. But just the week before that, we just talked the whole time about Star Trek. We've had other recent episodes about sexting in languages that are not your first language or what it's like to get weight loss surgery. It's unpredictable, it's real, it's honest, it's raw. Get Beautiful Anonymous Wherever you listen to.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Podcasts, you know, maligns them so they keep their extremists in check. And if you are popular enough in the party, you could take over the party, which is what President Trump did. President Trump didn't come from like an interest group within the Republican Party and he managed to take the whole thing over. And if you want to take over the party, I feel like it's there for the taking for both parties. And both parties also evolve as time changes. I think we're going into a realignment right now where both parties are going to be very different in 10 years than they are now.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sick of the Republicans doing nothing. They just do nothing. They have power and they do nothing. They do nothing.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, they're doing mass deportations right now. I think that's the.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. Donald Trump is executive branch.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, they had to pass the one big beautiful bill in the House which passed most of the president's agenda because they had such a slim majority, as I understand.

[Tim Pool]

I will give them that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And it was Thomas Massie again who did vote in posture against this. And then it was also like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who you were complimenting earlier, who forced the vote on the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, which. Which sunk a lot of republic. It wasted time in the Trump screwed.

[Tim Pool]

Up the Epstein stuff. And there's no way around this. That's just end of story. There are. Let me ask you this. What do you think about the Epstein stuff?

[Jamie Kennedy]

What do I think it should be 100% exposed.

[Tim Pool]

And how do you think Trump handled it? It.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Very weird when you said we're talking about this again, that whole thing when you ran on and listen, I love Trump, but to. To run on that and to it's the most horrific crime that is can be committed. And then to sit there and say I'm going to put out all the names and then just go that one day where he goes, are we still talking about this? Like what that was a bizarro land. So no, it needs to be exposed and clearly there's something being covered up.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think this time I don't think anything's going to come of the new.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. Trump. Trump could have respond, like, here's the point I made in the beginning. As soon as, you know, Dan and Dan Bongino and Cash Patel do these interviews and everyone's like, that's weird. Dan Bongino could have literally come out and just said, trust us, guys, we're working on it. It's going to be rough because we're investigating and it may take time. Thank you and have a nice day. And people are like, oh, wow, Dan's on the case. And that's that. Trump coming out being like, it's a hoax. Democrat hoax. Ignore it. That's weird and unnecessary.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yes, Bizarre. Trump weird that it's a hoax.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I think where are we at? Abstraction was a hoax. Okay? That's what a hoax was. Because again, between all of us, we know that people who are crazy about the Jeffrey Epstein files will never be satisfied with no matter what comes out. And Democrats were using this as an excuse to bog down the President Trump administration from accomplishing anything else. So while they were trying to, the president was trying to do anything. Deport illegal immigrants, may prevent new wars from breaking out. You have Thomas Massie trying to force the vote on something that won't change the hearts and minds of anybody.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, Trump could have handled it better. That's the point. Fact.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Is it still being handled?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Is it? So are we having it come out?

[Tim Pool]

A judge just ordered the release, starting with the Ghislaine Maxwell grand jury testimony. And it's funny because the judge was like, this is ridiculous. We shouldn't do this. Or I want to do it anyway.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And as I understand though, Pam Bondi could censor anything that she deems secret to national security, or if they were victims, that they're gonna block out. But again, the people who want to see more Jeffrey Epstein files again won't be satisfied with this.

[Tim Pool]

We're not gonna get anything substantive, which is why it's stupid, because Trump could have literally been like, yeah, we're gonna get it out. We're working on it right now. Thank you. And then Pam could have just censored whatever they didn't like. Trump handled it miserably.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

I think the evidence has already been destroyed. I don't think we're gonna get the truth on this stuff. And I think whether you believe Trump was in on it or not, I don't think Trump is implicated by I think he just did not handle it properly and it created confusion and disarray which resulted in an opportunity for Democrats to attack. Listen, I don't care all that much about it. We don't need to debate the Epstein stuff. It's coming out, it's done. The point is Trump has some mistakes, but as a president, he's doing fairly well. As we point out with this polling, the Republicans in Congress are doing very little.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think I agree with you. I think in particular the president messed up on this. But Pam Bondi really dropped the ball when she invited all those influencers in and made them look like idiots when they had these bombs. Binders of allegedly new information regarding Jeffrey Epstein, but didn't Tim, I did want to ask you though. Following her announcement that she's not going to be running for reelection, Marjorie Taylor Breen's Marjorie Taylor Greene's been making her rounds around the media circuit. I don't know if you've seen on CNN 60 Minutes bashing the president essentially. She also went on a couple of podcasts saying like explaining how we're going a little bit too far and it's a little bit too cruel. How ice is going around.

[Tim Pool]

Trump's going neocon. So it's so funny.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Like what does that term mean?

[Tim Pool]

So well, you guys speak some terms.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sometimes it means you're not limp. If you're neocon, you're not limp wristed. That's really what it comes down to.

[Jamie Kennedy]

What is it?

[Elad Eliyahu]

You're not limp or you have a spine? If you're a neocon, you're just not a huge pussy. That's really what it comes down to.

[Tim Pool]

Neoconservative is a political term usually reference the conservative. The elements of the Republican Party and conservatives in this country who believe in foreign intervention, war, the petrodollar, establishing US Military might around the strength.

[Elad Eliyahu]

In short, neocons believe in so called called peace through strength that we could use our military and our huge military to help instill peace across the country and planet. Sometimes that leads to war and conflict. But that's the ideology of the neocon piece.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Through strength. Yeah, but we, we should use. Is that bad?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, Tim thinks so.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Wait, so, so let me ask you. So rhino is Republican in name only, meaning that they are but they don't subscribe to all the Republicans just because.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You'Re pissed at a. You're pissed at somebody and you want to slander them as a Republican. So for example, I'll say, you know, Thomas Massey's a rhino because he Never votes with Republicans or not on the most substantive question.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Bro. That's like my Charles Bronson view. I don't know who Thomas Massie is.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

I got a question. Should we have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan this year? No, no, no, no, no. Originally back in 2000. Should we have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

[Jamie Kennedy]

All right, dude, this is a question. Hard on. Hard question. So let me ask you this. I don't, you know, I don't want any wars. You know what I'm saying?

[Tim Pool]

Obviously not a neocon.

[Jamie Kennedy]

We live in a crazy world. But.

If it was for oil and for us to take the oil and raid the country, then no. But if it was like to protect innocent people and protect them from a dictator, then yes. No, I think it was.

[Tim Pool]

Then I would say you are in neocon territory. I don't know.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Is that a good thing?

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, according to Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'd say no. Because I think the idea that you want to invade China next.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No, I don't want to invade anybody.

The argument is. The argument why invade?

[Tim Pool]

Why invade Iraq?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Because I have no idea. Was it for oil or was it for weapons of mass destruction? And then wasn't there the whole. There were no WMDs.

[Tim Pool]

Well, for.

[Jamie Kennedy]

What's the truth?

[Tim Pool]

For oil. I would say for oil is a simplification. It's control of oil supply as a byproduct of US domination in the Middle East. So English, they wanted the Suez Canal. They want to control the Suez Canal. That's all it is, really.

[Jamie Kennedy]

An actors even. So let's go simple. Because I'm telling you, this will help, dude. Even though I know you got a real smart crowd, you're saying that we invaded it, Just invoided it. Invaded it for oil. Correct. To steal their oil? Is that what you're saying?

[Tim Pool]

So no.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay. However, that would be wrong. Do we all agree with. That would be wrong. We're taking their oil. It's not our oil.

[Tim Pool]

Is you good. It's such a hard. Here's the. Here's the. They're evil.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No, if they're evil, obviously there's.

[Elad Eliyahu]

We want a democratic ally.

[Tim Pool]

The question is simply like this, dude. Here's your answer. Yeah. What is PI, Ian? What's PI?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What's 0.1415?

[Jamie Kennedy]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no, no. Exactly the number. How many digits of PI can you. Can you me give me 7.3.1415. That's all. 9, 2.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

How many. How many digits of PI do you know, dude?

[Jamie Kennedy]

3.144. I think it keeps going.

[Tim Pool]

3.14. Infinite. It's infinite. Oh, 3.14159. And I think two is next. But that's about as far as I know. If PI. And I'm not saying this to be like, haha, I got you, you don't know what PI is. My point is, I don't. If, if Ian started sitting here reciting PI to the 100th digit, you'd be like, I don't know if that's true or not. If I tried to explain to you the history of the region and the US military operation, you'd be like, I don't get it. So the easiest way to describe is oil.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So. So what I'm trying to tell you is you said should we invade? I'm not, you know, expert on geopolitics or anything like that. So you said should we invade it? If there were a threat to us, then yeah, probably we should. Yeah, we should protect ourselves.

[Tim Pool]

Now here's the question.

[Jamie Kennedy]

We're going to just steal their resources.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean by threat?

[Jamie Kennedy]

If they're going to nuke us, ok, they're not going to make a dirty bomb. If they're going to drive something into the fucking lbc, you know what that is? Beach. So here's issue with the two nipples in San Diego. The real issue is really simple.

[Tim Pool]

The real issue.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Hollywood dirty bomb.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Debbie.

[Tim Pool]

The real issue is that Saddam Hussein wanted to trade oil outside of the US dollar. The US controls what's called the petrodollar. Yes. If you want to buy oil, you got to use US dollars.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

But the US said kill him. We invaded Afghanistan for nebulous reasons largely, I'd imagine to put military bases surrounding Iran for a pincer strike. Because John Bolton wanted to invade Iran because Iran also doesn't want to be on the petrodollar.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Let's go.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Should we bomb drug boats coming from Venezuela?

[Tim Pool]

That's a different story. And the answer is, in this circumstance, with what is currently going on, I would say yes.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Many people would believe that that makes you a neocon.

[Tim Pool]

Oh shut up. Come on.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, no, I'm sure. Go ask your libertarian friends. All of them would call you.

[Tim Pool]

That is not the same thing.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I agree with you, but writ large, any military action done abroad makes you a neocon.

[Tim Pool]

That's not abroad.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Neocon is what? Neo conservative.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Conservative, okay, but it's meant to represent.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Conservatives, like with neo Nazi, new Nazi, all that stuff. Okay, so let's go slow because you said three things There. Let's go back to what you just said. You said something about Iran, right? Forget what you said. I wanted to comment on it.

[Tim Pool]

Iran won't fall in line with the swift payments in the World bank, the International Monetary Fund.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So you're saying every dollar that we have is backed by oil. Petro.

[Tim Pool]

Now that is true, yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

In the world, yes. So, but not gold. That's all bs, right? So, and now Saddam wanted to go off of that and back it with what?

[Tim Pool]

Potentially Euro.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Euro Dollars.

[Tim Pool]

Euro, European currency.

[Jamie Kennedy]

But what are they backed by? That's just paper too.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, it would make them backed by oil. The idea right now is if you are in a country, then you want to buy oil, you need to buy dollars first. We are the, the NS is dying, especially with Saudi Arabia getting off the petrodollar lease 50. Which ended, it was a 50 year lease and it ended recently. So now the issue is we don't produce anything here. We sent off our manufacturing to China, to Canada, to Mexico, to Indonesia, but we have the military and the military controls the petrodollar. So we keep telling these other countries, if you want to buy oil, you buy dollars from us. We set the price. However, now what's been happening is that Russia, China, Saudi Arabia and other countries are trading in yuan or rubles. This is putting the petrodollar at risk. So if you go back in time 20 years, you have Saddam Hussein, he says we're considering trading oil in other currency. It was euros. Yeah, it was euro. He called the dollar the currency of the enemy. Indeed. So then we said, geez, better go kill him. Then we have Muammar Gaddafi. What did he want to do? Gold dinars. And he wanted to create the African Union. So what did Hillary Clinton say? We came, we saw, he died.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So people say that Gaddafi wasn't as bad as they say. Correct.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't, I don't know if enough about life in, in Libya. What I can say is after he died, warring militias took over and are massacring each other and the slave trade is back.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I think two things could be true at once. I know less about Gaddafi, by the way, I do about Saddam Hussein. But Saddam Hussein genocided Kurds and other ethnic minorities in the country. He used chemical weapons against them. Yeah, he also, I believe had an assassination or he had plans to assassinate George Bush senior. Then there was obviously Gulf War One where he was trying to invade Kuwait. So it was a destabilizing actor in the region and we wanted a democratic alleyway ally. Where we could export their oil and benefit from having our company.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Let's just go simple here. Don't go to that story yet. Jesus, you're going to such a different story than this. Let's go. First of all, are you military, bro? Are you military?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, he's former military, but thank you for your service.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay, so do you agree that Saddam Hussein for. For everything that you know, was an evil, evil fucking person?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know that.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay, well, let me explain something to you. In 2007, thank you for your service, brother. I went over to Baghdad and Kuwait and I went to one of his palaces. So here's just one simple thing. Do you know that Saddam Hussein every night. Let's just say he had 45 palaces. Every night they had have a full course meal set because he might show up.

[Tim Pool]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

Zoe. This thing weighs a ton.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Drewy, lift with your legs, man.

[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Santa, did you get my letter?

[Tim Pool]

He's talking to you, Bridges.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Of course he did.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

He handles the nice list.

[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Right, Mrs. Claus?

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

And you never know if he's going to show up. And do you know that I went to one of his palaces and there was something called the elevator, the golden elevator, which was. It was. The doors are golden. And the crimes that were committed in this elevator and what I was told and what I saw from the handprints were enough to make it. It's sick.

[Tim Pool]

I hear you.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So what I'm saying is from our military, from a general who literally look like, you know, Robert from Apocalypse now, like these lifer guys told me that it was. They took out a horrific person.

[Tim Pool]

Where do we draw the line?

[Jamie Kennedy]

I think what we're here right now and I have to get really passionate about this is. Is what we've lack in this world is empathy, human connection, feeling. That's why Charlie kirk me up so much, is because when you see blood squirting out of a person's neck and you're a person that has blood in your neck, you should be like, that's crazy. That could be anybody. And so that's the human thing of empathy.

[Tim Pool]

So which countries should we invade?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Again, I'm not a geopolitical person, but any. We shouldn't. We shouldn't invade anyone. We should be in our own shit. In our own shit. But if people are trying to fudge.

[Tim Pool]

With us, it came from like people.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Are trying to fuck.

[Tim Pool]

But how?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Well, China's here, dude. I were to take you in Beverly Hills right now. Guess what? Some of the richest people are Chinese.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. They're buying up our farmland. They're buying sorties over our. Over our. In our airspace.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Well, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Is that military practice? Flying planes around ours? We've got IP intellectual property being stolen by China every day. And they're replicating, stealing our labor. There's the Thousand Talents program where they're paying off our academics to steal information from our country that we developed and then reproduce it for pennies on the dollar. They are absolutely aggressing upon us. And more importantly, they are raping the Uyghur Muslims and then forcing them to get abortions. That's going on right now. The point is there are many evil dictators. There are many evil countries. Which ones do we decide to invade?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay, that's a point. A very valid point. And my question is I don't like it that the USA plays cop to the world, but I don't know. I don't have that answer, dude. Because you're right. There's probably. We would be. Our military would never get arrest if.

[Tim Pool]

We went every country on the planet, 100%.

[Jamie Kennedy]

100%. And anyone who says shit about the USA and about all this, tough and tough, tough. You know what? Go to the Congo, just go there, go to.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah, go to the Eastern bloc of Europe. Like these are people that haven't left and they don't understand how good it is in America. So I understand what you're saying, but I'm going to tell you that I don't know. But you're right. We would be the busiest military in the world.

[Tim Pool]

We got it. We got a country to invade. We got this story from the New York Post. It's time for the US to invade Indonesia because they arrested Bonnie Blue. Actually she's British, so the UK would have to do it, but they're a little preoccupied at the moment. Porn star Bonnie Blue face up to 15 years in jail after being detained over bang bus stunt in Bali. Apparently she was soliciting like 18 year olds to do porn. Good grief. So she's facing 15 years in prison and yo, if prosecuted and found guilty, 15 years and a fine of $541,000. Now what they're saying is they might just deport her. They might say, look, get her out of the country, get these guys out of the country. We don't want it here. However, there is a concern that because she is such a disgustingly high profile, like disgusting and high profile person, she's famous for banging 1057 guys in 12 hours. Indonesia may be offended and they won't. You know, it's one thing if some random person shows up to try to do porn and say, get out of here, you can't be here. It's another thing when Bonnie Blue comes here and says, I will defile a nation. And so the, the one of the theories from legal experts is they may want to make an example out of her. Which means if they don't deport her, they may keep her in prison for just a couple of months. So it may be in February, end of February, they finally let her go. However, some do predict they'll wanna make an example out of her and actually prosecute and send her to prison for up to 15 years. So she going, bye bye.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Imagine being the Secretary of State of some country and you have a ton of important political issues and sensitivities that you have to deal with. And then this comes across your desk. It's like, yeah, there's some whore in Indonesia that was trying to bang, I don't know, 20 dudes for some Video and I don't know, how are you gonna get her out? How are you gonna negotiate with the other side? You have to like, call up your Indonesian counterpart and be like, oh, yeah, gee whiz. Like, I'm reading the news about this Bonnie Blue girl. And he's just like, yeah, she's defiling our country and making us look. Doing an Indian accent. It's just. It's a funny situation, I imagine.

[Jamie Kennedy]

What's your. What, what is your take on this? Because I have my, my.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it's a Muslim majority country or an Islamic country, and I think they take that shit seriously. You go to school there for a day or two. Serge, my doxing you. Singapore, Indonesia, it's all in that island southeast.

[Phil Labonte]

Idea to do this kind of stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Like.

[Phil Labonte]

Like going to. Going to countries where, you know, they don't take this. Take kindly to this kind of stuff and then doing it. So that way you can make content, you know, like intentionally doing this in a place where it's risque. So that way you can get hopefully great publicity stuff. Terrible idea.

[Tim Pool]

She would. She would be executed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia and North Korea.

[Elad Eliyahu]

List of countries to liberate, I guess.

[Phil Labonte]

No, you know, again, liberate.

[Tim Pool]

Why? Because they won't allow Bonnie guys.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, you legally, if you don't allow that, then I guess we will liberate you and liberate your women. I guess.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Again, it goes back the right to be a.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Women in our country have the right to be as big of whores as they want to be.

[Phil Labonte]

But that's not free speech.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Let me pose a bigger question here. So first of all, it shows you how free you are in America that you can do this. I'm actually turned off right Now, I think 100%, and that's coming from me. And I think our culture has gotten so sexualized that it's bizarrely turning me off. And I think that once you bang 15 guys in a day, I think you would be done but to do a thousand and twelve hours. So it's sad what this woman does. Honest to God. Like, there's a. There's something beyond gone. And I don't. I don't think it's a joke. I think it's sad. So. And there's a theory out scientifically that you have that much penis and fluid exchange that it ruins you as a woman. And there's also, if you want to go into the demon called succubus, how.

[Tim Pool]

Does it ruin her? Like, I believe it does too, but okay.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Do you believe. Believe. Do you understand that energy. Do you believe in energy is real?

[Tim Pool]

Well.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yes or no?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You understand what these.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean by energy?

[Jamie Kennedy]

The water experiment. Do you know what that is?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I don't believe that's real.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You don't believe it at all?

[Tim Pool]

They've done more.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You don't believe it at all? I don't believe it at all.

[Tim Pool]

What's the water express? Slow down. Are you referring to the molecules changing shape based on the emotion? Yeah. I don't believe that's.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Don't believe it at all.

[Tim Pool]

It's by Emoto, a Japanese scientist.

[Jamie Kennedy]

But they just got mad about somebody not believing what happened. Happened to you. But now you don't believe this. That was proven by scientists.

[Tim Pool]

It wasn't proven by scientists.

[Jamie Kennedy]

100% Japanese scientist.

[Tim Pool]

That's not correct. It actually is. What they. What they found is that different. Different water had different shapes. There's no correlation between the emotion they couldn't replicate. Hate created the same molecule.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Have you ever heard of something called cell jumping?

[Tim Pool]

What's that?

[Jamie Kennedy]

It's when you're around somebody so much that you kind of take on certain traits because their cells in your cells.

[Tim Pool]

Well that. The saying. That's why couples. You are the summation of the five people who surround you.

[Jamie Kennedy]

100%.

[Tim Pool]

It's not biological. It's behavioral.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I used to believe that. And I know I sound like I'm from Oregon right now and I'm making a dream catcher but dude, this changed me. And there's some truth to this and it has to be proven because someone like you who has a big voice has to see it. And I don't. I'm not going to convince you right now. But it.

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I believe it's more real than if they already farty.

[Tim Pool]

If they can take water, charge it with emotion and it will. The molecules. Let me finish. Take a certain shape. Then they can replicate that in another bit of water. More than once. Doing a couple times to prove that it can be repeated. I'll believe it. They never did that.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I think they have. But number two is. Do you understand? Okay. Do you believe that words have power?

[Tim Pool]

What does that mean?

[Jamie Kennedy]

I used to not think this. Words have power. If you say words, you'll have power with the word. The word becomes powerful.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Speech and rhetoric can have worldly impact.

[Jamie Kennedy]

100 so for instance, if you were to go. If you were to go to bed every night. There's. There's a. There's a way of psychology. Let me try to Explain this simply. The first thing you have to do is say what you want. So tomorrow, if you say, I want to jog a mile. I want to jog a mile. I want to jog a mile. It's either 30 or three times that you say this before you go to sleep deep that it starts embedding itself onto yourself and your system, your neurological system. I want to jog a mile. Then you write it down. I want to jog a mile. I want to jog a mile. I want to jog a mile. You do this, it's called. It's. It's subconsciously training yourself. So, boom, the next day, there's a very good chance that you will try to jog a mile. Simple. That is scientific.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Positive affirmations.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yes. And it sounds crazy, but I want.

[Tim Pool]

To put it like this.

[Jamie Kennedy]

But what I'm saying is if. Go ahead. What was your question? There is. That has to do with this.

[Tim Pool]

I can. I can understand that. Maybe some people need to do that, you know, if they're going to run a mile. Me, I literally just decide if I want to run a mile, I'll go do it. I don't need to affirm it to myself or anything like that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is it psychological or physical?

[Jamie Kennedy]

It's what I used to think it was. I used to think this was hippie.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Like, psychological, which is fine.

[Jamie Kennedy]

And I do know I thought it was like energy, which sounds hippie and psychological, which has an effect on us. And now it's becoming real.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Do you believe in the power of numbers?

[Jamie Kennedy]

That I do believe in, but I don't know enough about it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I want to pivot back to this story real quick and like.

No. Just because we had a numerologist yesterday.

[Tim Pool]

Do you believe that numerology? No, I don't. So the jury. I intentionally read the wrong reading for a lot of. And he believed it. And then I.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And I was flattered. Thousand.

[Jamie Kennedy]

A thousand guys. Let's say a thousand guys. You have sex with a thousand guys and a thousand different types of semen gets in you. You don't think that's going to.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't think it's numerology as to why that's gross and bad, though.

[Jamie Kennedy]

But you don't think it's going to ruin you. You don't think it could fan energy?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't know. I wouldn't call it energy. I call it sperm and STDs. Potentially. But here's the thing about porn.

[Tim Pool]

That is porn.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And social media has evolved so much in the past 30 years. That and its impact on society and, and men, and particularly young men, I feel like we really need to understand. So when I was a child, I think most of the viewers here are probably older than I, probably understand more deeply than I do. But when I was a child, in order to see a picture of a naked woman, I remember like the only place that it really existed was like in a gas station. The Internet didn't work well enough. I didn't, I wouldn't understand how to get on the websites. I didn't have access to a computer like that. To get any sort of content like that. I'd have to like run in a gas station, be in an area that I wasn't supposed to like peek through a, like a hidden section and like grab a dirty magazine. I'd have to open it up because it wouldn't be on the COVID and like look at a Playboy magazine. But the barrier to entry, to watch hardcore porn of dozens of people banging this prostitute or whatnot, it's just, it's too easy. And then the downstream consequences of that are extremely bad. And we have yet to fully comprehend this comes with like the ubiquity of the Internet and social media just being so apparent. And it's not even like just the hardcore stuff. It's just like so many of my buddies are just scrolling their Instagram feeds and it's fat asses and big chests and it's just like, guys, it's the middle of the fudgeing day. Like what are we even doing here? Like you're going from political content news to just like soft core porn. And it's just become so normalized and disgusting. Like I wouldn't have been able to get that stuff in magazines. Now you get that stuff just scrolling and, and it seems as though the most lucrative thing that most young women could do is get into porn. And I don't know where that leaves us. But the societal consequences of this have yet to be seen and they're going to be really bad.

[Tim Pool]

Should she be in jail?

[Elad Eliyahu]

For what?

[Tim Pool]

For this?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yes, for having sex with men on camera.

[Tim Pool]

I guess it was because she was attempting to. They arrested her and charged her.

[Jamie Kennedy]

She didn't even have sex.

[Tim Pool]

I think she might have. I think it was producing pornography was.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Might be legal in Indonesia or there's only fans model.

[Tim Pool]

Just call her a hooker, dude. Here's a question for you. You should it be legal to bang 1000 guys in 12 hours in the United States?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Should the government have a bullet to your head, a gun to Your head.

[Jamie Kennedy]

He asked a question. Start answering this, you guys. Start with you and go around. And he asked that. Answer the question.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Should the government.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No. Answer his question. The answer is simple.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay, yes or no?

[Phil Labonte]

The answer is yes.

[Tim Pool]

Answer is yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

What was the question?

[Tim Pool]

Should it be illegal to bang 1000 guys in 12 hours?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is it the thousandth dick or Is it the 500 illegal?

[Tim Pool]

I think it should be.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I don't think it should be illegal, immoral, disgusting. I think you're morally fucking illegally.

[Tim Pool]

I think I should.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You shouldn't do that. You should not do that.

[Tim Pool]

I think do that. I think there are lines and limits to everything. And the question is, what do we tolerate? What don't we? And while I certainly think there's an argument for why prostitution should be legal, two consenting adults want to engage in an activity and then they want to exchange money. It's stupid that you could be like, just don't pay me, otherwise I go to jail. But let's do it anyway. Oh, I'll buy you dinner later or something. It's like, get out of here.

[Elad Eliyahu]

What's the most.

[Tim Pool]

Women, however.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Amen.

[Tim Pool]

Right? So all of these things are always. Are always defined by legislation that we the people will determine to be reasonable. What I mean is law on the books isn't always enforced. Like in West Virginia, it's illegal to cohabitate, but nobody gets arrested for it.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Cohabitate, meaning I have a girlfriend.

[Tim Pool]

A man and woman cannot live together in West Virginia. It's illegal.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Unless you're married.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No, you're not.

[Tim Pool]

That's not true. This absolutely is true.

[Jamie Kennedy]

You can't live in a house. And can you just say you're not hooking up?

[Tim Pool]

It is illegal in West Virginia to.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Cohabitate, meaning you can't have a female roommate.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Dude, every. Every stereotype of West Virginia just got reinforced. Oh, my God. Are you kidding?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Good luck with your cousin.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Come on.

[Tim Pool]

That's embarrassing. I gotta stop you there.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Pretentious.

[Tim Pool]

Come on, come on, come on.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I'm an elitist.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta stop you there. Because it's actually the opposite stereotype.

[Jamie Kennedy]

What's the stereotype here?

[Tim Pool]

The stereotype is that they're not having sex.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I'm confused. Listen, the bottom line is this. That's crazy that you can't just have a woman as your roommate.

[Tim Pool]

This says it's not explicitly legal under state law, but is subject to specific criminal provisions. West Virginia code 6184 criminalized you is. They no longer enforce these laws. Yeah, they've been on the books forever.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So it's old school.

[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay, so you're fine.

[Tim Pool]

There are two states that still have laws explicitly. Michigan and Mississippi. But it does say it's criminal to do lewd and lascivious cohabitation. So maybe you're not married to a girl in West Virginia and you make porn together. Florida finally repealed it in 2016, and Virginia in 2013. In 2001, seven states repealed it, so it actually was on the books for quite a long time. The point is, there are lots of things that we have as illegal we don't enforce. My point is it's fine to be like, look, I get it. People can bang who they want to bang. We're not gonna get involved in that. But a thousand people is where you get into lewd and lascivious and obscenity areas where we're like, if we don't say we're not going, she's going on social media apps, promoting it, encouraging it, gloating over it, and getting paid for it. I say there's a line. We should not allow this dude on this line.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I agree with you. And to your point is, bro, low key. I get some of those boobs and butts and I would swear I was just looking at cats, dude.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Right.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No, they honestly, dude, I look at food recipes, bro, and I'm getting crazy amount of that I didn't ask for. I reset my algorithm. It still happens. So there is a sexualizing. Like I'm saying my buddies, we're all like, yeah, it's a turn off. So yeah, it's hard, Tim, because it's such a. I agree with you, this should never happen. But you're right, if it affects society at some point, I mean, sorry, we'll draw the line at a thousand. We're such bastards. Just don't go 1001. That's all we're asking.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I wanted to Follow up with you because I know you have an affinity for libertarians. And one of their catchphrases is like, it doesn't matter what affinity. You have an affinity for a libertarian.

[Tim Pool]

I literally said, I don't like the Libertarian Party because they're whacking so fast for libertarianism.

[Elad Eliyahu]

When you were younger, you had an. You don't have any affinity for libertarians.

[Tim Pool]

I never did.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I thought you did.

[Tim Pool]

I said, I liked libertarians. I liked Ron Paul because he said, we may not agree on policy, but I'll never force you to do something. I said, I can accept that. But the libertarians were a bit wacky and all over the place.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I know they have a saying of like, consenting adults behind closed doors should be able to.

[Tim Pool]

Nasty. Okay, there's that.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Just to add to that, I'll shut up. Is that the freedom of the people thinking you're taking their rights away? A lot of these people that are worried about their rights being taken away want to do deviant.

Deviants is what I want. Their rights.

[Tim Pool]

The Libertarian Party is a hodgepodge collection of various degenerates who want to do something illegal that they can't. And they're unified under, let me do my illegal thing and I'll let you do yours. That's. The Libertarian Party is. Then you have this one chunk.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Isn't that Democrats, too?

[Tim Pool]

The demo. The Democrats are actually I'll say whatever to get power. And it includes Jenner Chit.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

But the Libertarians have this one. Like, here's the big circle of libertarianism, and there's this tiny chunk called the Mises Caucus, where they're like, guys, we just don't want war and we want to lower taxes. And everyone else is like, can we look at animals doing dirty things? And they're like, no, stop. You're ruining this for us. And then they elect. Then they nominate some gay communists.

[Phil Labonte]

There is a distinction between libertarianism and libertinism. And the libertinism is what has informed affecting the Libertarian Party.

[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Do you guys drink booze?

[Tim Pool]

Nope.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I don't either. Yeah, none of you guys you like.

[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Meditating would be against him but I do fast but I think it's meditation's not bad either.

[Tim Pool]

We got to read your rumble rants and chats. Let's start with Cheeseburger who says Bonnie Blue literally fafo big time. She fafoed dude. Indeed. Right into Bally. Corporal Fett says Candace has effectively destroyed the rights coalition. Is there any way to fix our coalition? Is there any way forward? She's unhinged and quite possibly the greediest woman in politics today. Yeah, you can fix it, dude. If a big magnet gets shattered, you just build a bigger magnet. All the pieces get sucked back right to it. Here's what I see. For a long time, a lot of people refused to either pay attention or engage with what she was doing. She increasingly made it crazier and worse, and because so many people were unwilling to say anything, it became this gigantic mound of chicken crap. However, as more and more people start coming out, the people who follow her are starting to realize, well, everyone is calling her crazy. Maybe she is. See, the thing is when she's saying crazy things, but everybody's being like, oh, yeah, maybe. I don't know. Then people follow her, are like, wow, wow. She's the only one who's talking about it. There needs to be pushback on these lunatics. If the right doesn't. What's the right word for this? The left did not police the woke and allowed them to run amok and go crazy and destroy the Democratic Party. If the right does not do the same thing for its own side and say, we do not engage the crack pottery, then you will create this sect of. Of Candace conspirators. And people will be like, I don't. I don't f. With the Republicans. Man. Those are weird people.

[Elad Eliyahu]

People, the word you're looking for is gatekeep, but we don't like to say it because it doesn't sound kosher. If you don't gatekeep the idiots and retards and conspiracy theorists out of the party, you keep your friends in check.

[Tim Pool]

If you really care about Candace and what she's doing, tell her.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Talk to her.

[Tim Pool]

But you got to keep people in check.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Go give her a phone call and.

[Tim Pool]

Say, you know what it is. I don't have a number. She's too sharp for. I imagine if, like, one of her friends actually went to her and said, you know, here's how I imagine. They'd be like, candace, I think you're going a little far. How am I going too far far? What did I do wrong? That's ridiculous. And they'd go, yeah, you're right, Candace. How do you get to this point where you are so assured of the insanity? It's because you're. You're too aggressive, and people are scared to say anything. And that's why most conservative commentators Would not say anything. I mean, look, yo, she literally made a thumbnail that said, who benefited from Charlie Kirk's death? And used a picture of me like, this is what. And so now the message is clear. If you criticize her her, she's gonna make you the villain of her drama. Well, I don't care. I don't care. Let's read more of these. All right. JRR Rod says Jamie Kennedy, Malibu Most Wanted. Love that movie.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah. What's up, son?

Get you colosta. Colosterism.

[Tim Pool]

Colostrum.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Look at.

[Tim Pool]

I want some right now.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Ronnie Blue. Yes, she did.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I haven't seen the movie.

[Tim Pool]

Asriel says I have had a effing. Enough of this bs. Candace needs to stop. Stop. She at this point, is a jealous child. All I see coming out of her mouth is, w, w, w. My hurts. Grow up, little girl. Yikes. Ruffalo says the season finale of Candace's show will be her bringing on a channeler of the dead like Cody ITC to ask. Ask him from beyond the grave.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Dude, she's a new mlk. She had a dream.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't she say Charlie came to her in a dream?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yep, exactly. Dude, MLK had a crazy dream too. So maybe we should be making fun of her for it.

[Tim Pool]

J. Dirtbiker says make historical war movies great again. I want to see an accurate movie about the Crusades. That sounds fun. I'm actually pretty excited about Pendragon Cycle. It looks really good. You know, there were like. You saw the trailer for it?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I saw the trailer. There's just so much. I feel like negative energy surrounding it moving forward. Like all the behind the scenes stuff. There's so much pressure for it to succeed and replace some. I feel like they're going for a Game of Thrones type show, at least in some of the graphics that I saw. And I mean, I'm wishing them the best. And Daily Wire is trying their hand at culture, but if this doesn't. Yeah, but expectations. I mean, shit, Jeremy was the.

[Tim Pool]

Was the power behind it, and he's gone now. But I. I looked at The Daily Wire YouTube channel, and the biggest videos they put out are always the behind the scenes of Pendragon. And the trailer comes out, it gets millions of views. I. I think Jeremy was correct about the direction they needed to go. So now Daily Wire just seems to be. With all due respect, because I like these guys, but it's a lot of. It's four guys saying similar things to each other. There's a limit to this space. You know, they Needed to go in a creative direction. And I guess, you know, it looks like what happened. I don't know for sure that there was an internal feud with Jeremy over the direction of the company. Jeremy wanted to do creative content and make the company bigger than just political commentary. And then I guess as political commentary starts to wane and that's their real money base, they ousted him or he quit. I don't know exactly what happened. And then they're like, now we're gonna do political commentary. And now that's kind of all it is. But I'm excited for Pendragon and it may end up being massive.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So is that a video game they're making?

[Tim Pool]

The Pendragon cycle is a series of novels about, like, King Arthur and Merlin, stuff like that. Arthur Pendragon is his last name.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Uther Pendragon is fine. And so they made a movie about it or TV series.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The Daily Wire started working on this years ago. And it looks good. It looks pretty. Pretty dang good. Yeah. Like Game of Thrones ask and only.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Be available on their thing.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Okay.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Presumably that's a difficult barrier to entry.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna watch it for sure. You gotta put clips on. I'm excited for. It's coming out next month.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah. But outside of the people, the conservatives who are already signed up to Daily Wire, it's like, why would you dip your toe in, like, I don't know why liberal would want to support Daily Wire to watch this show? Because they hate Daily Wire. So why even give it a chance?

[Tim Pool]

Put it on. Put it on Amazon, something.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah. If they flip it to a big streamer.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But then if one of these outlets buy it, then it's just like, oh, you're working with these fascists. So they're stuck between a rock and hard place.

[Tim Pool]

Let's read this. We got Patriot Girl says. Just wanted to say I thought Son of the Mask was a cute movie. And I'm 30, if that means anything. I really enjoyed it. I loved Loki's character and his relationship with Thor. Well, there you go.

[Jamie Kennedy]

There you go, buddy. You know what? That's the age group, though.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

That's fascinating because I have these people. I go to these conventions all the time. I was telling them, and they're like these big autograph conventions. They're amazing. And now, like, the 23 to 30 tell me they love the movie. Now when it came out, everyone tell me they hated the movie. And I said, why? And one girl said, well, my mom would just put, you know, Me in front of the TV and I'd watch it on loop.

[Tim Pool]

I think the issue was the original mask.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Well, dude, and I, you know what I have is that my loop was Scarface, Beverly Hills Cop and Nightmare on Elm Street.

[Tim Pool]

So pretty crazy.

[Jamie Kennedy]

But it's a good loop. Right. So it's like, I think that's just people have different things.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's because the, the original mask IP was a bit violent. And the original, the movie they made was actually more intended for an older audience. And Son of the Mask is more for like. It's a kooky cartoon for kids, you know, Thousand percent.

[Jamie Kennedy]

There's a lot more. But yes.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So they, they start telling adults to watch a kids movie and they're going to be like, wow, I watch this, you know.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah, it could have worked in the sense of adult jokes and then funny visuals for kids. Like Disney does that the best. All right.

[Tim Pool]

DITW says the Stooges theory might hold. Candace could be laying groundwork for a Macron lawsuit defense. It's just an entertainment show, all fake and crazy. Everyone knows it's not serious. I believe that will be her defense. We saw similarly with Fox News that it's not news. It's. It's opinion and entertainment. I imagine that will be her only defense because. Yeah, I gotta be honest, my brother's not a public figure. I mean, they might try to argue he is. But claiming that he committed a shooting in which I claimed to have, quote, survived is psychotic. It is beyond the pale. It is insanely offensive and just made up. And.

I don't know where she comes up with this nonsense.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The thing about Candace Owens is that I don't think between her and her husband, they give a crap about any of these defamation suits. Her husband's worth well over $200 million. They can weather any of these financial storms now.

[Tim Pool]

They can, can't.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You don't think so? 200 plus million? I mean, I'm sure they have an Ellis Jones owes.

[Tim Pool]

They tried suing him for the GDP of France.

[Phil Labonte]

Billion dollars.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No, at first it was 1.4 billion. Yeah. Something crazy.

[Elad Eliyahu]

We'll see how this pans out. I don't think she's scared of these defamation suits. I think she has.

[Tim Pool]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

This thing weighs a ton.

[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

Santos. Did you get my letter?

[Tim Pool]

He's talking to you, Bruce.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Of course he did. Right, Santa?

[Phil Labonte]

You know my elf Drew Ski here.

[Tim Pool]

He handles the nice list and elf I'm six three.

[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Jamie Kennedy]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

You know, she has a few money.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, but accusing someone of trying to murder a family member, a person who's not a public figure, doesn't fall under times V. Sullivan.

[Elad Eliyahu]

She's not scared to go after Bridget McCrone. I mean, she's.

[Tim Pool]

She'll make.

[Elad Eliyahu]

If she's willing to make up stuff about Bridget McCrone, I mean, you know, she's willing to make up anything about anybody. You, your family. I mean, it's.

[Tim Pool]

People are posting photos of my brother. Like, this is him.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Him.

[Tim Pool]

Like, this is what she does. Like, I called my brother and I was like, dude. Like, are you saying. He's like, yeah, I'm tweeting it. I'm like, well, what? Stop. Like, are you.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Are you trying to. Would you ever try to get together with her and talk it out or is that done?

[Tim Pool]

Well, there's. There's the question of she's crazy. You know what I mean? Like, she. She wants to do crazy things. So I don't know that engaging with a lunatic when I'm trying to talk about serious issues. And she's claiming the US Military, the French Legion, Israel. Men in maroon shirts are. You know, Erica's wife is involved. Like when she's literally just vomiting all over the table. There's no discussion. It's like someone asked me like, hey, that dog's taking a dump. Do you want to debate him? I'll be like, why? He's just. We had Milo on the show last week. Yeah, but Milo is very different. Milo's very different. He's kind of similar. V is, of course, very different. Everybody. But it was more of just a ball. That show was just a wild explosion. You know, it was. Milo deserves some critique and criticism. As he does. As he does. But I don't consider him the same as Candace. And I don't think he's a dirty dog taking a shit like you said either. I just think we didn't get political discourse that night. And it was still really cool. Let's grab some more. We got Shane H. Wilder. He says Cam's verification did nothing to satiate these lunatics. Now they're like, he edited it. No duh. Cam is a stand up dude and isn't going to dox the compound's location. These people are tarted. Af. Yeah, right. The first guy called, literally the wrong police department. Department. And then they were like, that proves it. It's. It's intentional. Lies. They want it to be a lie. Dirk T. Sanchez says, I just bought a case of pool water. One, because of your genuine reaction to Candace yesterday. And two, to try and encourage you to keep doing irl. We need you and your crew. Tim, please keep creating. I love the idea, the preliminary ideas that we've been bouncing around with the Rumble crew about making something bigger and bringing everyone together. Because having all these independent islands just puts us, Puts us all at risk. Risk. So if, you know, I was talking about how I was talking with him and I think I mentioned on the show, like, Fox News is a skyscraper. So when you go into the studio, ain't nobody getting in there. Nope. No bulletproof windows. You can't open the doors. And I was like, we need something like that. But if everybody works out of the same office building and same studio, you only got to hire one security crew for everybody instead of 15 security crews, which is very expensive. So we'll see where it goes. We'll see where it goes.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Have I pushed Fox News hard enough?

[Tim Pool]

Stuff.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Are they in the cards? No.

[Tim Pool]

You. You give them a call. You give them a call.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Somebody there would love, I'm sure, to speak to you.

[Tim Pool]

More than one Black Hills Ranch says no. If God creates something so heavy he can't lift it. He limited himself by that logic. He can create something that can kill him. Dumb, outdated, paradox. All wrong. Tim. God is reason. He is who he is. Is. Why not a Christian? Because the. The concept of creation itself is a. Is. Is a creation of God. God. And the Christian view is that defies logic. And logic must exist for there to be a God. And God is the Logos of the universe. My perception is God is the infinite singularity of all things. God is the decider of what is or is not. The function of the universe was decided by God. The concept of heavy was decided by God. The concept of immovable was decided by God. God could simply decide immovable no longer exists. God could decide immovable exists. God could decide to create paradox because paradox was created by God in the first place. It is strange to me that people would say the reality in which we exist, that includes logical contradiction. Logical contradiction was not created by God because God is logic. And I say, then I view that as a limitation. That is not omnipotence. My view is that logic itself was decided by God. God literally decided, one day, logic will be this. Put it into place. And then we all went, no, if you defy that, God can't do it. No, no, you don't understand. God can move the one and the two whenever he wants. Well, you're making me think about using vortexes to dampen UNRA radiation so that we can dispel with, you know, the limitations on inertia. And just when you start to accelerate, you keep accelerating. Here's a good one. Mitho says, Tim, consider drones. They are never in the same place and be equipped with thermals in a relatively cheap. Cheap. We actually did look into getting robot dogs for the property. We get like five robot dogs. They just walk around. And what happens is you'll have like two on rotation where they walk the whole property, then sit down in the charger, and then three will come out, move around, and then sit in the charger, and then two comes out and we can mount them with rifles or flamethrowers. Now, to be fair, probably paintball guns, but, you know, flame fl.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Dude, the robot dogs. That's the way to do it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I mean, dude, yeah, you see the videos.

[Tim Pool]

And then what happens is when someone comes in the property, like 15 dogs walk up real slowly, and then one of them just tilts back and goes, halt, intruder. You are on private property. We will open fire in 15 seconds. Do not approach. And then Guns slide up.

And then the bolt slides back.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Maybe you could hire a couple of Ukrainians to just hang out with the, with their self destructive drones, their suicide drones and somebody.

[Tim Pool]

We did that. We went to Home Depot and we went, tr. Tr. And then they were like, ce.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They have Mexicans here in West Virginia.

[Tim Pool]

And I was like, you guys want to work? And they were like, yeah, we can work. What do you want to do? I was like, I just want you to stand in front of my property. Oh, see, I'm kidding. We never did that.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I want to go back to.

[Tim Pool]

I'm ripping off south park, by the way.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Simulation theory. Do you believe in that or not?

[Tim Pool]

What is that?

[Jamie Kennedy]

Sim simulation theory that we live in a simulation.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, simulation. I thought you said assimilation.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Simulation theory.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, I know, simulation.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Do you believe in it now?

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it's impossible to tell.

[Tim Pool]

You should talk about this on the after show too, because you brought up energy. We got to get into finer details on what that means. So my view is that simulation theory is like if, if you, if you studied any kind of theology. Simulation theory is, I'll put it like this. When you see like Elon Musk or some tech billionaire go, what if we live in a constructed universe where a more advanced civilization or power created the world we're in, it's like, ah, that was the first page of the Bible. So simulation theory is.

It's like 2% of theology. And priests and philosophers have contemplated these ideas for thousands of years, but simulists seem to have just figured it out instead of actually just going to learned religious folk and asking them, well, this.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Is going to be too long, so I'll keep it simple. But you know that there's multiple people saying that we live in a hologram, Graham. And if you understand what that means. Meaning that you know the split atom theory, which is sh. And you know Schroden is Schroden.

[Tim Pool]

Schrodinger's cat. Yes.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So you understand the split atom theory.

[Tim Pool]

What is that?

[Jamie Kennedy]

If they fire two atoms, that's.

[Tim Pool]

That's the double slit experiment.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Yeah, double slit. So do you believe that?

[Tim Pool]

So the interesting thing about the double slit experiment, if an ant was walking across the table and you were trying to measure the distance the ant walked, so you slammed a ruler next to it and then the ant turned left and you went, oh my God. The act of observing the ant has changed its direction. That's what it is.

[Jamie Kennedy]

No, it is. No, because you just did a ruler. So that affected the ant.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And what tool are they using to monitor electrons?

[Jamie Kennedy]

You're observing it with your eyes.

[Tim Pool]

There's a tool that's interfering with wave particle with wave function collapse. And so the hippies had someone tell them about the double slit experiment and they went, duh, whoa. And then the scientists went, guys, what we're actually saying is we don't know the point at which wave function collapse happens.

[Jamie Kennedy]

But the scientists aren't on your. They're not saying it's not real.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the scientists are saying is that there is an interference at some point we don't know where it is. But more not saying the act of observation alters reality.

[Jamie Kennedy]

I think there's been some papers that said the act of observation does.

[Tim Pool]

If it were mainstream.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Dude, come on, back me up on this.

[Tim Pool]

You got your. Your neurons in your brain, muscles, stomach, they're all affecting the magnetic field around.

[Phil Labonte]

You, which is affecting everything within that totally different.

[Tim Pool]

I could do this all night. Which is why we gotta shut up. We got a couple more minutes to grab some of these chats. So we got legma. He says, I was very happy to see your 1000% valid comments about Candace. The woke Maoists endure and are deeply entrenched in the US Candace's BS is a pebble in the engine of the war machine to root out the woke left, making everything idiotic. Chaos. Time to shut her clap trap.

Yeah, I think she's basically like, it's a tumor growing on the right that everybody was scared to address because they'd feel that. They felt like it would damage them personally. But if you don't stop it, then the right will cease to exist and the Democrats will win. And she literally said, we don't care about your midterms. She knows she's burning down the coalition. She does not care. Nor do. Nor does her. Nor does her audience. They live in Wally world. They don't care if Democrats win. I do.

All right, we got Ferris McLaren says Occam's Razor suggests Hanlon's razors best explains Candace's behavior. One dummy is taking down TPUSA single handedly. And you all are conspiracy theorists for assuming she's evil. So you genuinely believe that? You think Candace isn't cognizant of all of the inconsistencies and everything? She said that she didn't decide today to say, wow, it was the military that did it. She knows exactly what she's doing. She's not stupid. She's very smart. People don't accidentally get to these positions of power when people are like Donald Trump's a moron. I'm like, no, he's not. He's a billionaire that owned like 500 different companies and turned a million dollars into a billion dollars. He's very smart. It's stupid to look at someone who is doing something consistently successful and go, yeah, but they're actually stupid. She's. I mean, there's wisdom, then there's intelligence. She's obviously highly intelligent, but is she wise? Does she know the implications of what she's doing? I don't know. Because if she really understood the damage she could possibly be doing to humans, emotions, soul, like, maybe she wouldn't.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think she's a narcissist and she doesn't give up. I love this.

[Tim Pool]

One trusted source says Tim has what we call cdx. Yes, Candace Derangement Syndrome. Don't forget Chuck Schumer Derangement Syndrome. Nancy Pelosi, Derangement Syndrome. Elizabeth Warren, Derangement Syndrome. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Derangement Syndrome. Sounds like you've got derangement. Derangement Synonym Syndrome. Gavin Newsom, Derangement Syndrome. Antifa. Derangement Syndrome. California derangement. The list goes on of everything I've criticized. And this one time, it's like, Candace is not to know. Like, tiburectic. Weird. Yeah, I don't care, dude.

Maga. Maga 2250 says Candace is a Fed. Maybe her lawyers work in the same building as Feds. That was her own revelation.

[Elad Eliyahu]

True.

[Jamie Kennedy]

When they say this Fed thing for everyone, that means everyone. They're just on the payroll.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Candace got the call.

[Jamie Kennedy]

So that's when they say when people are Feds. Because you hear this a lot. You're a Fed.

[Tim Pool]

I'll just say it is. It is very interesting that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. The biggest blow to the right coalition, but more importantly, specifically to Turning Point usa, their leader and founder and main fundraiser. Gone. Someone killed Charlie Kirk to destroy Turning Point and stop his work. The second most devastating thing done to Turning Point and Charlie's work, Candace Owens. So we got a list, right, of all the people that have done, you know, from a list of 1 to 10, who did the most damage at Turning Point USA. First, you have the assassin, presumably Tyler Robinson. And second, you have Candace Owens. After that, I don't know. They're being sued by somebody, I imagine. All right, everybody, we're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast that will be all [e-mail] Timcast IRL. You don't want to miss it. Jamie do you want to shout anything out?

[Jamie Kennedy]

You can. My podcast is hate to break it to you. It comes out every Monday at 1pm Also just my Instagram is the Jamie Kennedy I'm on X Jamie Kennedy.

[Tim Pool]

Just look there.

[Jamie Kennedy]

Thank you so much.

[Tim Pool]

I'll take it from here. Jamie hey man, I just want to talk about energy. I'm talking about subatomic, you know, the cymatic vibration of reality causing things to appear in place at the subatomic realm, which is probably part of what you're going at. So we'll maybe we'll tap on that in the after show. Until then, you can follow me at iancrossland across the Internet and check out Graphene Movie. We went down to Texas and recorded a bunch of scientists working on nanomaterials. The documentary will be coming out soon. You can sign up for the newsletter at Graphene Movie.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Elad hey everybody, thank you guys so much for tuning in. I am Elad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Timcast. I'm excited to announce that later this week I'll be going on an ice ride along up in New York City. So we'll see how that goes and we'll have footage of that on the the Tim Cast news and on my social media. So be sure to follow at Tim Cast News on Twitter and Instagram and at a lot Eliyahu as well. So I'll be away for the next few days for that. Following that, we don't know exactly what's going on with irl, so if you guys don't see me more, I just want to say it was an honor and privilege. Tim, thank you so much for the opportunities here and I've loved and appreciated every moment on here. So it's been great. It's been real, it's been fun. I hope we figure something out for the future. And be sure to tune in for more.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

We will see you [e-mail] TimCastirl in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out. SA.