Timcast IRL – Candace Owens, Kirk Assassination Conspiracies, and the Shooting Allegation

Episode Date: December 10, 2025
Guests: Jamie Kennedy, Elad Eliyahu, Phil Labonte
Host: Tim Pool

Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL takes a deep dive into the latest controversies swirling around conservative commentator Candace Owens—especially her conspiracy-laden claims regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk and her assertion that Tim Pool’s own brother was involved in a shooting incident targeting Tim. Joined by comedian/actor Jamie Kennedy and the Timcast regular crew, the panel scrutinizes Owens’ accusations, discusses the state of political discourse, touches on the risks public figures now face (including escalating threats and violence), and debates the morality and efficacy of U.S. military interventions and culture wars. Despite the dark subject matter, the episode also explores the absurdity of modern “drama grifting” in political media, freedom of speech, and even veers into topics like pornography's effect on society, simulation theory, and the power of language.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Candace Owens’ Expanding Conspiracy Web (01:39, 07:56, 10:50)

• Initial Claims: Tim Pool recounts Candace Owens’ new theory that "the US military was involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk," alongside her ongoing string of unsupported claims implicating a who's-who of global and organizational actors—from Israel and France to Turning Point USA execs and even Charlie's own wife.

  • Quote (07:56):

    “Owens, in a series of Instagram posts, said she was ready to blow this case open... ‘Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and our military was involved.’... Her claim comes after three months sharing conspiracy theories..." – Tim Pool

• Absurd Scope of Accusations: Elad quips about Owens’ ever-expanding list of supposed perpetrators:

  • Quote (10:48):

    “She’ll get there. I already figured this out... The season finale is going to be: Charlie Kirk was responsible for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.” – Tim Pool

• The “Three Stooges Syndrome”: Tim likens Candace's avalanche of accusations to “Three Stooges Syndrome”—the idea that overwhelming confusion prevents anyone from actually addressing the issues:

  • Quote (11:54):

    "She’s trying to defame as many people as possible so that when they all file lawsuits at the same time, the courts will be overwhelmed..." – Tim Pool

2. Owens’ Accusation about the Shooting at Tim Pool’s Property (20:58, 25:58)

• Dissecting the Claim: Candace alleges on social media that Pool’s brother was the shooter in a supposed attempt on Tim's life—a claim Tim stresses is patently false and defamatory.

  • Quote (25:58):

    “Let me just—here’s a tweet from her: ‘The shooting Tim Pool survived in December 2022 was committed by his brother.’... I will tell you unequivocally right now, there was no shooting that I ever claimed to have survived where my brother fired a weapon … this is an insane fabrication...” – Tim Pool

• Clarification of Events: Tim rehashes the actual incident: In December 2022, intruders broke into his property and a staff member fired at the trespassers. His brother, a company manager and Army veteran, was never involved.

  • Quote (31:34):

    “Third party called in… after staff fired at intruders. New lie is about the reporting, but everything was handled above-board with authorities.” – Tim Pool

• Verifying the Incident: The show plays an audio clip of Cam Higby independently confirming the police report of the shooting—contrary to claims by Owens and her followers.

  • Quote (29:30):

    "Cam Higby calls the correct department. And they go, yep, we've got confirmation of that shooting at Tim Pool's property." – Tim Pool

3. The Dynamics of “Drama Grifting” & Audience Manipulation (33:45)

• The Candace Show as Soap Opera: Tim and the panel note how sensationalist media thrives on constant drama escalation, creating pseudo-narratives purely for consumption.

  • Quote (33:45):

    “Now Candace makes a thumbnail with my picture on it ... saying 'who benefited from Charlie Kirk’s assassination?' ... She is using real people as puppets in her soap opera.” – Tim Pool

• Audience Complicity and Burnout:

  • Quote (30:19):

    "At what point do the people who follow Candace go, ‘Well, she must have been lying, right?’ ... But people just follow her anyway.” – Tim Pool

4. Polarization, Labels & Hollywood Perspective (14:01, 14:57)

• Jamie Kennedy’s Journey: Jamie describes how he was “demonized” and labeled a right-winger for simply acting in the film Roe v. Wade, highlighting how rigid ideological sorting poisons discussions, even in showbiz.

  • Quote (14:57):

    “I consider myself a dude who’s just... normal, which is in the middle. Common sense. But now I don’t know what I am.” – Jamie Kennedy

• Culture Shifts in Hollywood:

  • Quote (16:45):

    “Hollywood is way more common sense than people realize. They just don’t want to say it... but more people are like, 'this is too much'." – Jamie Kennedy

5. When “Just Asking Questions” Becomes Harm (18:16, 19:05)

• Line Between Inquiry and Harassment:

  • Quote (18:23):

    “If you ask the widow of a murdered man, ‘Did you kill your husband?’ ... that process is punishment for the widow... Some questions are more than just questions.” – Tim Pool

• Audience Engagement as Performance: The performative nature of crowd-baiting conspiracies is dissected.

  • Quote (19:05):

    “Is the question really the important thing, or is it about actually garnering a larger audience... feeding, you know, meat to your audience?” – Phil Labonte

6. Security Threats & Safety in Independent Media (44:52, 46:55)

• Escalation of Threats: Tim details the need for increased security amid real escalating threats—especially after Kirk’s assassination and attacks on other public figures.

  • Quote (46:55):

    “As the threat level increases and we have to hire more security... the costs become... not a core function of producing content, but a core function of survival when people are shooting at you.” – Tim Pool

• Potential Solution: Media Hub Collaboration:

  • Quote (47:06):

    “If we do a single hub, you get one security company that covers all of the content. So these are just part of the conversations we’re having on these emergency meetings.” – Tim Pool

7. Political Realignment and Disillusionment (67:30)

• Tim’s Political Evolution: From Democrat roots to voting for Trump, Tim explains disillusionment with both parties—and the lack of a viable moderate alternative.

  • Quote (68:13):

    “My first time voting for a president was Obama. Second time…I’m not interested in this.” – Tim Pool
    “I would prefer a noble leader... but Donald Trump saying 'piggy' and stuff—it’s Trump. I’m used to it.” – Tim Pool (70:02)

• Two-Party System Debate: Pros and cons are debated, with some favoring the moderating effect of big parties, others calling for disruption.

8. War, Neoconservatism, and U.S. Foreign Policy (78:34)

• What Makes a 'Neocon'?: The group unpacks the term ('neoconservative') and its association with military interventionism.

  • Quote (79:47):

    “Neoconservative is... the elements of the Republican Party and conservatives in this country who believe in foreign intervention, war, the petrodollar...” – Tim Pool

• Moral Complexity of Intervention:

  • Quote (89:27):

    “We shouldn’t invade anyone. We should be in our own shit... But if people are trying to fudge with us...” – Jamie Kennedy

9. Porn, Free Speech, and Societal Boundaries (94:13, 97:09)

• Bonnie Blue in Indonesia: The arrest of the porn star sparks a frank debate on sexual freedom, cultural limits, and degeneracy.

  • Quote (94:13):

    “Women in our country have the right to be as big of whores as they want to be.” – Elad Eliyahu (ironically)

• Words Have Power and the Role of Affirmations: Jamie and Tim discuss whether language and intention affect reality, referencing concepts from psychology and pseudoscience.

  • Quote (97:06):

    “Speech and rhetoric can have worldly impact.” – Elad Eliyahu

10. Notable One-Liners & Humorous Moments

• On the ever-lengthening perpetrator list (10:10):

  “They missed a partridge in a pear tree.” – Phil Labonte

• On drama grifting (20:18):

  “And then I’m gonna put an Instagram post where I’m like, Ian did it. That’s all I’ll say and nothing else. And people are gonna be like, whoa, what does he mean?” – Tim Pool

• On the future of media security (123:40):

  “We looked into getting robot dogs. We can mount them with rifles or flamethrowers…” – Tim Pool

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:00-05:50 – Ads, comedy banter, Jamie Kennedy intro
• 07:56-11:22 – Owens’ conspiracy roundup and “Three Stooges Syndrome”
• 12:28-18:16 – Jamie Kennedy’s political labeling experience, cancel culture
• 18:16-19:47 – “Just asking questions” vs. punishment, performance media
• 20:58-34:20 – Owens’ shooting accusation, Tim’s detailed rebuttal and police confirmation
• 44:52-49:20 – Security risks, proposals for media hub
• 67:30-74:27 – US politics, Tim’s shift from progressive to Trump voter
• 78:34-91:20 – War, neocons, foreign police debates
• 94:13-104:43 – Porn, degeneracy, freedom, societal standards
• 123:34 onward – Freaky robot dogs, simulation theory
• 131:01–end – Sign-offs and podcast plugs

Memorable Quotes

"Accusing my own brother of trying to murder me is the stupidest thing imaginable." – Tim Pool (01:39)

"She said there's a shooting committed by my brother. That's wild." – Tim Pool (35:17)

"This is what she does. Like, I called my brother and I was like, dude... Are you saying? He's like, yeah, I'm tweeting it." – Tim Pool (119:12)

“If you ask the widow of a murdered man, ‘Did you kill your husband?’... That process is punishment for the widow.” – Tim Pool (18:23)

"To blame the pending 2026 midterm loss on Candace Owens is wrong or something like that. And I tweeted, like, why is she referring to herself in the third person?" – Tim Pool (38:52)

"They just keep the extremists in check… If you are popular enough in the party, you could take over." – Elad Eliyahu (74:27)

"Now Candace makes a thumbnail with my picture on it, saying 'who benefited from Charlie Kirk’s assassination?'... She is using real people as puppets in her soap opera." – Tim Pool (33:45)

“Listen, I don't care all that much about it. We don't need to debate the Epstein stuff. It's coming out, it's done. The point is Trump has some mistakes, but as a president, he's doing fairly well.” – Tim Pool (77:25)

"Women in our country have the right to be as big of whores as they want to be." – Elad Eliyahu (94:13, ironically)

Themes & Takeaways

• Dangers of sensationalism: The panel criticizes click-chasing, drama-based content creators like Owens who “poison the well” of political discourse and exploit tragedy for personal gain.

• Necessity of pushback: There’s a call for the right to “gatekeep” against conspiracy theorists and drama grifters to prevent the coalition from imploding as the left did with their own extremists.

• Personal consequences: The team discusses security, threats, and how public life now routinely involves extraordinary risk.

• Political fatigue & realignment: There’s a shared sense of exhaustion with tribal politics, the ineffectiveness of Congress, and a craving for common sense and real discourse.

• Societal drift and boundaries: The porn discussion morphs into a worry about what happens when “limits” are erased altogether.

• Humor as coping: Throughout, jokes and cultural references lighten the mood even during sobering discussions.

Episode Structure

• Candace Owens conspiracy claims dissected
• Analysis & debunking of “shooting” accusation
• Discussion about “grifter” media and cultural polarization
• Jamie Kennedy’s Hollywood/political labeling experiences
• Evolution of US politics, safety/security in media
• War, neocons, and international morality
• Cultural norms, porn, and line-drawing
• Energy, language, simulation theory
• Q&A and audience interaction

For listeners: This episode is an unvarnished examination of how internet drama intersects with tragic reality, featuring intense rebuttals, behind-the-scenes clarification, and meta discourse about truth and audience manipulation—all with the Timcast trademark blend of seriousness, humor, and cultural critique.