Charlie Kirk Assassinated, Suspect In Custody w/ Chuck Gray

Summary

Timcast IRL – Episode Summary

Episode: Charlie Kirk Assassinated, Suspect In Custody w/ Chuck Gray
Date: September 11, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (with Ian Crossland, Libby Hemmons, Phil, Elad Eliyahu, and guest Chuck Gray)

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Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL is a somber and urgent response to the assassination of prominent conservative leader Charlie Kirk at a university event in Utah. The conversation dives into the immediate aftermath, the implications for political violence and free speech in America, and Kirk’s legacy as a cultural and political force. The panel is joined by Chuck Gray, Secretary of State for Wyoming, as they collectively mourn, analyze, and try to make sense of a shocking moment that has shaken conservative and political circles nationwide.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Announcing and Reacting to the News

• Tim Pool opens the show (“Today Charlie Kirk was assassinated at an event in Utah... it almost feels completely unreal and unbelievable to have to do a show starting by saying that they killed Charlie Kirk.” [01:11])
• Guests reflect on initial shock, disbelief, and the widespread reaction from political figures and the public, including Trump’s statement and public moments of respect like “the Yankees had a moment of silence” ([01:11]).

2. Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and Impact

• Chuck Gray emphasizes Kirk’s role: “Charlie Kirk was an icon. He did so much in our country. He did so much in Wyoming, where I'm from. I've been on the phone with Turning Point students all day from across Wyoming” ([02:14]).
• Panelists describe Kirk’s ethos of engagement: his willingness to debate on college campuses and “epitomiz[ing] what these progressives and these liberals have long called for, which is democracy” (Tim Pool, [03:49]).
• Libby Hemmons and others discuss the effect Kirk had galvanizing Gen Z and building Turning Point USA into a movement rivaling the RNC in youth influence ([18:46], [19:13]).

3. Details / Uncertainty Surrounding the Shooting

• Initial confusion over suspects and procedural updates: Libby Hemmons notes, “Kash Patel said the suspect in custody has been released after an interrogation by law enforcement. Our investigation continues...” ([05:23]).
• Discussion about videos surfacing online, the chaotic response, and the uncertainty regarding the perpetrator’s identity and motive ([06:12], [09:01], [27:53], [50:44]).
• Parallels drawn to other political attacks, especially those on Trump (“this is the thing about Trump, this is the thing about Charlie. These guys will walk up to you and shake your hand...” Tim Pool, [09:01]).

4. Political Climate and Escalating Violence

• “We've been talking about how the political climate in this country is going to lead to these kind of things.... We've been saying, where's the off ramp?... And then it's been, political using the government, going after their political enemies. And then there was the attack on Donald Trump... and now Charlie. Where does it end?” (Phil, [13:36])
• “The people that killed Charlie, the people that are celebrating Charlie's death, they don't believe in liberalism. They're not liberals... They're looking for a reaction.” (Phil, [11:31])
• Parallel drawn to MLK/RFK assassinations as comparable national shattering events ([15:24], [23:13]).

5. Legacy, Next Steps, and Security Fears

• The panel discusses the debate on whether to cancel live events: “...do a show every night... or I can risk dying to go to a crowd of 500. And so maybe you want to say, yes, they’ve shut down our public events and they’ve isolated us to these spaces. But what is the answer?” (Tim Pool, [27:53]).
• Ian Crossland: “You got to change tactics. It's not a loss if you change your tactics... you just remanuver to a new position that's more fortified.” ([29:48])
• On carrying on Charlie’s mission: “campus events can still happen... local chapters who can carry on these debates and make sure we don't lose momentum” ([30:53]).

6. The Rhetoric of Dehumanization and Radicalization

• Panelists repeatedly emphasize the consequences of being labeled fascists/Nazis and the cycles of demonization online: “Do you remember punch a Nazi. And then suddenly they decided we're all Nazis.” (Libby Hemmons, [25:26])
• Elad Eliyahu points out: “They thought he was a misogynist because he was pro life... they think that because he was willing to call out black violence towards white people that he was a racist... many on the left are actually going to celebrate.” ([16:52])
• Social media’s ghoulishness and viral celebration of the assassination (“If you want to be radicalized... go to Blue Sky... after like 14 posts, I had to X out and almost vomiting. It was just...”) (Ian Crossland, [46:03]).

7. Examination of Responses: Left, Right, and Media

• Reports of Democrats rejecting a moment of prayer in the House after Kirk’s death: “Democrats reject prayers for Charlie Kirk as moment of silence devolves into House floor shouting match” (Tim Pool, [40:04]; [40:26]).
• Criticism of mainstream/media for contributing to polarization and demonization: “MSNBC issued a statement... Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate, insensitive, and acceptable... During our breaking news coverage...” (Tim Pool, [82:02]).
• Trump’s statement calling for unity and denouncing political violence is played and discussed ([62:44]).

8. The Dilemma of Political Response: Justice, Security, Retaliation

• The group ponders justice versus vengeance, public executions as deterrent (see extended discussion, [58:08]-[62:12]), and the dangers of allowing emotions to drive public policy.
• Phil: “I don't see a lot of success in the future... if you can't actually have a conversation without ending up dying on stage, there's not a lot of room.” ([104:51])

9. Is Civil War Next?

• Extended debate about whether political violence will escalate to open civil resistance or conflict, and what that would realistically look like in America ([126:30]-[134:44]).
• Tim Pool: “What we are dealing with right now may just be civil strife. We don't know... The deployment of the National Guard and military ICE raids across the country. That is federal, military and law enforcement action to a greater degree than seen in the past 10, 20 years. The assassination of Charlie Kirk and the rhetoric on the left calling for more within the same day.” ([133:33])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tim Pool [01:11]: “It almost feels completely unreal and unbelievable to have to do a show starting by saying that they killed Charlie Kirk.”
• Phil [11:31]: “What's the point of liberalism if it leads to the 'let's talk about it' guy bleeding out on a debate stage.”
• Libby Hemmons [15:00]: “He cared about family... it was moderate politics and that's who they kill.”
• Ian Crossland [15:24]: “This is just Martin Luther King. This is like them taking Martin Luther King's life. The man spoke for a generation... Charlie had that same power.”
• Tim Pool [23:13]: “I think it's on the level of, like, you know, the assassinations of '68. I think that's what this is. MLK, RFK...”
• Tim Pool [27:53]: “But now we also have these live venue events, and it looks like I have no choice but to cancel them...”
• Libby Hemmons [45:50]: “As a woman who went on his show a fair number of times... he had nothing but respect for me... he was a really good man.”
• Ian Crossland [46:03]: “Yeah, go to Blue Sky... after like 14 posts, I had to X out and almost vomiting. It was just...”
• Donald Trump [62:44]: “Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loved so much... An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed. Because together, we will ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come.”
• Tim Pool [70:17]: “He was a powerful business mind. He knew how to build a machine better than anybody else... He’s a once in a thousand years kind of guy.”
• Phil [104:51]: “You killed the guy that was beating them at the argument. And if you can't actually have a conversation without, you know, ending up dying on stage... there's not a lot of room left you can go...”
• Tim Pool [133:33]: “The question now is with the left's response about escalation, if they... start taking up on it. My other fear is that people on the right might escalate as well... That's what civil war looks like.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:11] — Tim Pool announces the assassination, initial reaction
• [02:14] — Chuck Gray on Kirk’s legacy, work in Wyoming
• [05:23] — Uncertainty about suspects, updates on investigation
• [09:01] — Comparisons to Trump, wider implications for public figures
• [13:36] — Phil reflects on escalation and lack of political “off ramp”
• [15:24] — Ian likens Kirk’s killing to MLK
• [23:13] — Panel: This is an 'assassinations of '68' moment
• [27:53] — Tim Pool debates canceling live events due to security
• [40:04] — Congressional moment of silence devolves into shouting
• [45:50] — Libby Hemmons on Kirk’s respectfulness
• [50:44] — Crowd confusion, social media analysis, shooter theories
• [62:44] — Donald Trump’s on-air statement memorializing Kirk
• [104:51] — Phil: “if you can't have a conversation without dying on stage...”
• [133:33] — Tim unpacks what “civil war” would look like in the US context

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Tone & Style

• Tone: Somber, urgent, reflective, at times angry but determined. There is deep personal loss expressed by several panelists, mingled with their familiar direct, unfiltered style.
• Style: Conversational, unscripted, emotionally raw. Frequent switches between personal anecdotes, political analysis, and direct criticism of media/ideological opponents.

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Concluding Reflections

The episode closes on reminders to continue Kirk’s legacy and warnings about the intensifying dangers of political division. The entire team, bolstered by the presence of Chuck Gray, urges calm, vigilance, justice—not vengeance—and a continued commitment to reasoned debate in the midst of crisis.

Chuck Gray [137:29]: “We will not be silenced... We have to keep the mantle torch going that Charlie has been doing for all these years.”

Libby Hemmons [138:02]: “Thank you for sticking with us tonight as we tried to make sense of the completely nonsensical.”

Phil [138:19]: “Well done, good and faithful servant. Rest in peace, Charlie.”

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For further details and live reactions, the episode continued on Rumble for uncensored audience Q&A.

Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

Today Charlie Kirk was assassinated at an event in Utah. I'm sure most of you have already seen the news by now. We've all been talking about it quite a bit. The videos that emerge out of Utah are shocking. There is some news. The FBI states that they have a subject in custody. We don't know exactly what this means or what's happening. Videos have emerged that show an individual running across the rooftop at the event. And Charlie Kirk has lost his life. Donald Trump has issued a statement and has ordered flags lowered to half staff. There's some very respectful and honorable things that I've seen. The Yankees had a moment of silence for Charlie and there's a lot to talk about in the news. What this means. It is. It almost feels completely unreal and unbelievable to have to do a show starting by saying that they, they killed Charlie Kirk. But we're just going to jump into it. We got a panel. Heck of a day to join us, Chuck.

[Chuck Gray]

Charlie Kirk was an icon. He did so much in our country. He did so much in Wyoming, where I'm from. I've been on the phone with Turning Point students all day from across Wyoming. He just did an event in late April at the University of Wyoming and he spent three hours taking questions, debating, talking about the truth. And he formed Turning Point USA to say we need to have a dialogue on college campuses. He's talked about this so eloquently, so many times. That's why he started it.

[Tim Pool]

Do you want to just give a quick introduction to.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Chuck Gray]

I'm Chuck Gray, the Wyoming Secretary of State, chief election official for the state of Wyoming. Also serves as the second in command, the lieutenant governor in Wyoming. And really sad about today's events.

[Tim Pool]

Thanks for joining. Normally I tell the guests it's going to be a fun one, but this is going to be a substantially more serious and painful one. But Libby is here as well.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yep. I'm Libby Hemmons. I'm, I'm actually glad to be here among friends to talk about Charlie's passing and to remember him. Thanks for having me on a lot.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Eliyahu, White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey, I'm glad to be here. Charlie was, I only spent a couple times hanging out with him and did a couple shows with Charlie, but.

[Tim Pool]

He'S.

[Ian Crossland]

One of the greatest. All right, let's move on then. Let's, let's take this talk.

[Phil]

Hey, Phil, how you doing? My name is Philanti. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. Let's get into it behind Phil.

[Tim Pool]

We put up our autographed signed Charlie Kirk poster several years ago. He joined us for a debate on Tim Cast IRL with the progressive leftist VOS and he signed it for us and we put it up. I where do we start? Charlie was doing what Charlie always does. He was doing events where he engages with college kids. He allows anybody who wants to come and talk to him to talk to him. He epitomized what these progressives and these liberals have long called for, which is democracy. He said, okay, we'll have the conversation, we'll have the debate. That's all he ever did. It was an above board organization. It is Turning Point Action and Turning Point USA as well as Turning Point UK and all of their affiliates are typical, on the level, proper filing, all the good stuff, to function fairly and honorably in a democratic republican form of government. And he got killed. Now there, there, there is some information that we can show you what's going on in social media. Let me see if I can, see if I can find this. I don't even know if we should show some of these tweets. I'm not going to show this one. There's a tweet that people have surfaced where someone says that they hope something happens to Charlie and then they followed up by saying something will happen tomorrow.

[Libby Hemmons]

Who said that?

[Tim Pool]

It's an anonymous Twitter X account. I think they found the person behind it. Cash has made a statement now. I'll pull this up from post. Millennial suspect in Charlie Crook assassination incident.

[Libby Hemmons]

There's actually been an update on that.

[Tim Pool]

On the article.

[Libby Hemmons]

No, the article hasn't been updated because I just got the update just now. Kash Patel said the suspect in custody has been released after an interrogation by law enforcement. Our investigation continues and we will continue to release information in interest of transparency. So that's actually the second suspect who has been released today.

[Tim Pool]

They don't know who did it.

[Libby Hemmons]

They have no idea.

[Ian Crossland]

Was it like 200 yards away from a building on the high powered rifle?

[Libby Hemmons]

There was something about people running across. Somebody running across a roof. Yeah, but there's, they don't have any idea who did this. But it's, I mean, if it was somebody on a roof, that's the same playbook as the attempt on the President's life last summer.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, this is, I don't, this is, I don't really. Okay, I, I'm just gonna say this. I think that somebody was afraid, who's the next Trump? And they thought it was Charlie.

[Libby Hemmons]

Well, Charlie, Charlie had a good shot at becoming president. You know, I would have voted for him.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

The odd thing about these suspects was that I was watching Fox News earlier and there were actually multiple people who were interviewed live on Fox News who said the people in custody were not the right people.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And it gave it a really weird vibe immediately because you saw these videos going around of some bald old man saying, esme. And he was saying, you know, I have a right to remain silent and whatnot. And you, you have to imagine there's no way that a person like this could, could get away. There's just so many questions. Mark, Mark's here. So many people are, are in shock. Charlie Kirk was a guy who dedicated his life as early, I believe in, in high school or even maybe before that to conservatism and conservative politics. And he was murdered while doing the things that he loved. I, I think the reason why this strikes so many conservative commentators and politicos and whatnot is because Charlie Kirk was so deeply in tune with so many different creators, right wing media figures in the space.

[Tim Pool]

I did a stream, I think around 5 o'. Clock. I wanted to wait. I'll try and just give you guys the quick breakdown of, you know, what was going out through the, through the day. On our end, news wise, you can imagine with the show that we do, we have sources, we have friends who work in the administration. We are friends with Turning Point. They have been just always so amazing to us. They treat us like royalty. And I never knew why. I was always just. Charlie was always so good to us. He made us feel like kings. For the past three years, we were on stage at Turning Point. They brought us up there, they took care of us to make sure we can get our team out there. And I want to just say when we went out, when we do these trips, it's really hard because we have this regularly scheduled nightly show. Charlie not only built us a temporary studio, he let us use his personal studio, but while it was being built. And he personally stayed late with us when all of his staff went home to make sure we were taken care of. This man was so good to us. It is hard to believe that this has happened. And I'm just so pissed off. For a million and one reasons, for all the obvious reasons, everybody understands there are many, many more people who have much more right to be angry than I, of course. So my thoughts and my prayers are with his family and his friends and his organization. And you know, just we're at their disposal. Whatever they need, whatever we can do.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

It'S outrageous. They don't have somebody. Maybe there's something going on behind the scenes.

[Tim Pool]

But I mean, look, you had, you have a big crowd of people and this is, this is the thing about Trump, this is the thing about Charlie. These guys will walk up to you and shake your hand and they will say, tell me what's up. We just saw a video of Trump. Pro Palestine protesters called him Hitler and Trump walked right up to him.

[Libby Hemmons]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

He didn't get in their face or anything.

[Libby Hemmons]

Why are people allowed to get so close to the President? That has to stop.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Libby Hemmons]

That has to stop too, but it is.

[Tim Pool]

And this worries me. When the assassination attempt on Trump was made, people pointed out that Trump intentionally doesn't like heavy security cuz he wants people to be able to talk to him. When you're at Mar a Lago, that's like jfk. Yeah, when you're at Mar a Lago. We've been there a couple times. You walk right in. I mean, if, if, if you know.

[Libby Hemmons]

You'Re not, tag you. I mean, there's like a little, when.

[Tim Pool]

You, when you walk in, if you're not dressed appropriately, they just say, oh, how are you? Can we help you? Because there's a dress code here. When we, when we went there and they said, the President's gonna be having a dinner. And I, I went and bought a suit. I did. People are like, tim would wear a suit for that. I did buy a suit. We walked right in. You walk right in. There's Speaker Mike Johnson in a room. There was. I think Rob Blagojevich was there, and we saw Trump. And I walked right up and Bruce Owitz was there, and he was like, Mr. President, I'd like you to meet. I think this actually before the election. Was it before the election? Yeah, it was. He said, I wanted to introduce you to Tim. We shook my hand. There's no security. It's like Secret Service is there, but they're in their designated locations. And Charlie was very much like that. He was doing these events and he wanted to be accessible to the best of his abilities. That's why he goes out to these campuses and he sits there in a campus and says, come and have a conversation with me. Charlie won the debate, and that's why these people took his life, because they had no response to someone who had so thoroughly won the debate.

[Phil]

I mean, so it's, it's. I mean, it's a tough day for everybody, especially people that, you know, believe in what Charlie was doing. Right. Like, he went to people that disagreed with him and he said, let's talk about it. Let me give you insight into the way that I and people that I'm politically aligned with think. And I just saw a tweet that literally just kind of knocked me over. The guy said, what's the point of liberalism if it leads to the let's talk about it guy bleeding out on a debate stage.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And I don't want to give up on our republic because the option is to do things that are, you know, is to. To take liberties away from people, and that's not good for America. But the people that killed Charlie, the people that are celebrating Charlie's death, they don't believe in liberalism. They're not liberals as much as. Well, that's the name that they get. You know, they get that is used to describe them. They're looking for a reaction. And today everybody's emotions are so high or so. You know, it's such a painful day. Like, it's really hard to not, you know, post things that are TOS violations or say things that are. That are really bad.

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[Phil]

Ad. You know, so it's just really tough to control that impulse because there are terrible things that I want to say and terrible things that, because I'm emotional about the whole thing. We've been talking about how the political climate in this country is going to lead to these kind of things. We were talking about it. I mean, I've been here going on three years and since I started coming on the show, we've been saying, where's the off ramp? Where's the off ramp? How do we stop this? How do we prevent this from escalating? And then it's been, you know, political using the government, going after their political enemies. And then there was the attack on Donald Trump. Two attacks on Donald Trump. So people called one of the dudes that jumped on stage a third attack on Donald Trump. And now Charlie. Where does it end? Because Charlie was so milk toast everyday conservative. He was, he was so inoffensive.

[Tim Pool]

This is, this is what terrifies me.

[Phil]

The guy that comes after Charlie is not inoffensive, but it terrifies me that.

[Tim Pool]

That'S who they're going after. It's, it's Charlie Kirk was mainstream conservative, you know, so articulate.

[Libby Hemmons]

He cared about family.

[Tim Pool]

He was not an extremist. He was a regular. It was moderate politics and that's who they kill.

[Chuck Gray]

It was common sense. Boris Johnson in his post on X today said that Charlie Kirk was communicating common sense. That's what make America great again. That's what it is.

[Ian Crossland]

This is just Martin Luther King. This is like them taking Martin Luther King's life. The man spoke for a generation of people that had been relegated or felt relegated and he threatened the political power. Martin Luther King could have commanded 10,000 people to go push a button and they would have done it. Charlie had that same power.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Can you tell us a little bit more about how you think we should be feeling and thinking about this in an age of political violence? You're an elected official. Do you know, do you feel those pressures on you as well? What's your reaction here?

[Chuck Gray]

Well, earlier we were talking about what's the off ramp? Well, the off ramp is what Charlie Kirk was presenting, which is this vibrant political debate. When he came to the University of Wyoming in late April, he spoke for about, I'd say seven to nine minutes and then it went straight to Q and A, the Q and A that he was known for. And he would have these very respectful back and forth debates on the issues of the day. And it was broadcast live. I mean it's a pivotal part. I mean when we look at the polling numbers on Gen Z and the transformation politically of Gen Z Turning point is a pivotal part of that. And Charlie, Charlie's a visionary.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I don't think we should dilute the facts here about the loathing of the left towards Charlie Kirk. They thought he was a misogynist because he was pro life and he was irredeemable because of that. They thought he was irredeemable because he supported Israel and they would accuse him of supporting genocide. They think that because he was willing to call out black violence towards white people that he was a racist and that all of this stuff makes him an irredeemable white supremacist, bigoted racist that many on the left are actually going to celebrate. We shouldn't dilute ourselves.

[Tim Pool]

They are thinking otherwise.

[Libby Hemmons]

Already been photographed.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If this monster is ever found, which God willing they will be soon, I think they will be turned into a Luigi Mangioni type figure. We're in an era of political violence.

[Libby Hemmons]

I mean if he's prosecuted and convicted. Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah said that he wanted to remind everyone that Utah still has the death penalty.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, yes. But what a lot is saying is that they, they lionize Luigi Mangione. He's a hero to the left.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yes, they do.

[Tim Pool]

And when they do catch this guy, the left is going to make portraits of him as a saint and they're going to put them on their magazine.

[Libby Hemmons]

Covers and they're and they're fake religious candles.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Charlie Kirk was more than just a political commentator. I think he was an American icon of conservatism.

[Tim Pool]

He.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

He's. He was more than just himself. He was really a figurehead for conservatism, the new age of conservatism. He was only, I believe, 31.

[Libby Hemmons]

31 years old.

[Tim Pool]

Started. Started when he was a teenager.

[Libby Hemmons]

Built up, didn't go to college.

[Tim Pool]

The most powerful political organization of our generation. People were just talking last year how when we were. When we were at tp, usa, parties were popping up. James o' Keefe had a party, as he. He does these parties at Turning Points, have great parties. They're the biggest parties. And I. I'm talking to people saying, like, Charlie has basically built political. He's like, this is the beginning of a political south by Southwest. Yeah, this is huge.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah. And then when he opened up America Fest, not just to students, but to everybody, people of all ages were coming to America Fest to, like, hang out and meet each other. And it was a sort of revelation during the Biden Woke era and all that. It was like, oh, wait, there's. There's more of us. There's more of us who are not on board with all of this lunacy.

[Tim Pool]

There was a.

[Libby Hemmons]

We can hang out, we can have conversations and not be shunned and not be kicked out of our families here.

[Tim Pool]

All of the side events that were being built up around it, and people were saying, this is bigger than the RNC Turning Point has become.

[Libby Hemmons]

Oh, it was going to take over. Yeah, it was going to take over that whole realm.

[Phil]

If there's someone that is charismatic at Turning Point, it still could, because Charlie's. The legacy that Charlie has left is something that a lot of people are going to coalesce around.

[Libby Hemmons]

Well, I was thinking about this too, on the drive over here, and I was thinking that the men who are next in line to Charlie's legacy are really going to need to step up and really are going to be in that spotlight. Men like Jack Sobeck, men like you, Tim Pool. I mean, the men who are at the forefront of this and have been unafraid and have been speaking their mind. There's going to be a lot more light on them, you know, and a lot more, perhaps more danger as well, which is sort of terrifying. Terrifying to think about, but it can't. What Charlie was creating is not something that the people of America can afford to lose.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I'm thinking, what would he say if he was here right now? How would he guide people. And I. I'm kind of torn down the middle between the animal part of me that wants the vengeance and wants to find the guy and see a public execution. And then there's the part of me that's like kindness, compassion, forgiveness. These are what Charlie preached. These are the things he believed in. And that. Not to fall into the rage, because there's.

[Phil]

There's a middle road there, though, Ian. Not just kindness, compassion for forgiveness or unadulterated rage.

[Ian Crossland]

Justice, yeah, but not to cause pain on the victim, unnecessarily suffering, because that's more hellish.

[Phil]

Don't worry about. Don't worry about the.

[Tim Pool]

Not the victim, the perpetrator. What you are correct on is I would never purport to speak for Charlie, but I imagine as a rational and intelligent, powerful leader, he would say we have to be reasonable and rational in how we respond. Now, Trump is gaining tremendous victories. We have one electorally. The actions against Charlie are the moves of a desperate, fringe, psychotic ideology. They want to drag us down into the mud so that we break from the position that has brought us success. That does not mean we don't get justice. Utah, they said they have the death penalty and they're going to find this person. What this means for us is we have to remain calm and collected and vigilant, working towards justice, finding the suspect, but making sure we do not allow wanton, random escalation. And that's what I fear. That this, an attack against Trump, for many of us, is terrifying, is shocking. It's offensive. Charlie was not a politician. Charlie was just a guy who had passion in politics and built up organizations to pursue those passions. But he did not decide how you would live or sleep. He just explained his ideas, and he did better than they did. And that was a threat. They took out Charlie. All today, going through the news and talking with our sources and our friends from various organizations, every phone call I was on was struggling through tears on both ends. It's because Charlie treated you like you were the best. It was. It was. It was. It was very Christian like that. He was there for you, whatever you needed. And so everybody felt like their best friend just got taken from them. This has the potential to be substantially more catastrophic than anybody else they could have targeted.

[Libby Hemmons]

I think it's on the level of, like, you know, the assassinations of 68. I think that's. I think that's where we are. I think that's what this is. MLK, RFK, both 68. What was it like?

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[Libby Hemmons]

April and June, April and July, Something like that. Yeah. And I think that's what this is.

[Ian Crossland]

You know what that did? It destroyed the hope and dreams of the kids in the 60s that thought JFK was there to help. And he was, he was there to step up against the military war machine and, and scale it down. And they, people believed and they had hope and then it was taken.

[Libby Hemmons]

And the, and the people who believed in the civil rights movement, you know, only to have Martin Luther King Jr. Struck down as well by the FBI.

[Tim Pool]

Is that confirmed?

[Libby Hemmons]

I don't know. I don't know.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

The far left in this country seems completely emboldened to have vigilante justice against those who they view as fascists, which is anybody on the right. And unless I don't know what the President Trump administration can do, I don't, I don't see how this, you know, we're saying hearts and prayers, we're saying, you know, this is horrible. And like, this will have a huge impact. This will have a huge impact to hurt the conservative movement. I don't know where, where this leads, but this is part a symptom of a larger trend.

[Libby Hemmons]

Well, it's a trend that's. Do you remember punch a Nazi. And then suddenly they decided we're all Nazis.

[Phil]

Ten years ago, I was like, and this is when I was, you know, before I was in the political world beyond Twitter. I'm a dude in a band and I'm. And like, I see people that I know saying, oh, it's okay to punch Nazis And I'm like, this leads nowhere good. This is going to lead us to a terrible place. And what I got back was, why are you defending Nazis? It was almost ubiquitous in the music industry. Like, I would get it for sure.

[Libby Hemmons]

The truth in the arts. I mean, it was true in the theater community in New York City. It was true in. I mean, if you remember, in. I don't know why anyone remember this, but in 2018, there was an exhibit at the San Francisco Public Library that had punch a turf because they went from punch a Nazi to beat up women who don't think men are women. And they had a baseball bat that was, like, covered with fake blood that said punch a turf on it. Like all of this stuff, it has escalated. And a lot of people were being like, hey, that's crazy. And here we are, and they're. They're assassinating, you know, extremely wonderful young men.

[Tim Pool]

So the question then is immediately when this happens, our security team, they're contacting us. I assure you, every person in this space, their companies, their teams, they made phone calls. Everything's been dialed up as high as it can be dialed up. I mean, just a week ago I was saying, like, wow, things have calmed down. Where are the riots? It seems like we're winning. And I think this is what happens when it is perceivable that to everybody, including your adversaries, that you're winning. They take these desperate moves. The question for us is, I had an event planned with Alex Stein for October. It was a campus event. I had actually reached out to Charlie saying that I'd love to do some of these if possible. We were planning more. This was earlier in the year. And so we were like, let's try. Let's see what time we have in the fall. I'm super busy. So we found a date and we're like, let's give it a shot. It's canceled. And cancel that. Well, I'm glad I can't do it.

[Libby Hemmons]

I'm glad you canceled it.

[Tim Pool]

But now we also have these live venue events, and it looks like I have no choice but to cancel them. Or at least I can't be there for.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Against you canceling them. But how would you respond to somebody who says, that's them winning.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And so the debate was, they are celebrating right now. Daily Mail has a video, I'm not going to show it. Of leftists celebrating. A video's gone viral. People have taken all these leftists. They're dancing and they're cheering. There are people outside of universities right Now. And there's videos of them cheering and high fiving and celebrating. They called for it. They're happy that it's happened. And they threaten me. And so the debate is, we do a show every night. I do a morning show. Two morning shows, technically three, because we break it, the interview up and this nightly show. We reach millions of viewers. We can keep doing that or I can risk dying to go to a crowd of 500. And so maybe you want to say, yes, they've shut down our public events and they've isolated us to these spaces. But what is the answer? What do you. How do you.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Terrorist one. We're terrorized.

[Ian Crossland]

No, keep inside. You got to stay inside. This is Kennedy got hit John F. Kennedy when he was outside. And they realized he can't parade the President out in the open anymore, so they stopped. Guns are too easy to find now. And it's the same thing with your high level political person.

[Tim Pool]

John Lennon was walking into a hotel.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And there's nothing you can do.

[Phil]

Elad, what you were talking about, like they haven't won because you're not doing an a public appearance. They've only won if you stop doing the show. If you stop talking about these things, if you stop bringing the opposing argument.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Fear into your heart. Where you're scared to do in a public event that you'd otherwise do. It does feel.

[Phil]

It is one thing sufficiently terrible. If it's one person, it's totally different. If you're talking about putting a boatload of people into a room, the people, other people that work here, it's a different thing.

[Tim Pool]

Let me address that. It's not the fear of it. They literally killed him. The intent is clear. And the risk is not. I am scared of the left. It's that they are killing.

[Ian Crossland]

You got to change tactics. It's not a loss if you change your tactics. If the enemy develops a new weapon in the culture war that's like artillery and your old position's no longer viable. You just remanuver to a new position that's more fortified. That's understandable.

[Tim Pool]

The big question is. So there was a story, and I told this before, I mean, I don't know if I should, but we were in Nashville and we were going to go. I was going to play music. I think Ian was going to. We were going to go to John Rich's Honky Tonk and there was a security threat which I won't go into detail on. And I was told we can't do the event because of this. Security risk. This, this, this threat against you. And then I said, they're not going to stop me. They can't scare me. And then I was told, tim, this is downtown Nashville and there are children outside. If someone comes with a gun, it's not about you. And I went, I get it, okay? If we go to this event and we say that we're going to be on the ground at this university and some lunatic shows up with a gun, it's not just me that's at risk. It's any one of those kids or people who want to show up, too.

[Libby Hemmons]

Well, and all those kids were fleeing. They were running, right?

[Tim Pool]

And it's. And thankfully, nobody else was injured. But horrifyingly, Charlie, the leader of this massive movement, has lost his life. I certainly understand the anger you might feel over this tactic stops us from doing these university events because they're so powerful and important. But so there is a level of. I would put it like this if we were talking about a battlefield and you know that the enemy has, has assassins targeting your officers, you take your officers out of the risk and then you utilize other resources in these key areas. That is to say, campus events can still happen. It just doesn't need to be the highest profile of individuals. It can be among the students that are already there, which minimizes the risks and minimizes the target, but keeps the conversations going. So TP USA can still keep these going without Charlie. It can be handled by local chapters who can carry on these debates and make sure we don't lose momentum. Huh? But I suppose it's the debate. I'm sure people are going to say, don't keep doing the events and inside.

[Ian Crossland]

With security, checking guns at the door.

[Tim Pool]

Not possible.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If they can get targets on the president, then anybody is capable of getting.

[Ian Crossland]

They can literally drone bomb your house.

[Tim Pool]

If they think, yes, yes, but, but let's, let's, let's be real. Like these events that we do. I have to drive in a car to a back entrance, go in and go out with security waiting for me because we, like, we've been. We were swatted 15 times. One year we've had the bomb squad multiple times we've had a man show up claiming he was sent by God. We have. There's other security issues that I'm not going to go into detail on because they happen every single day. So this is the challenge. Like, my wife is obviously extremely worried when we want to do these public culture war shows. We want to bring people and invite them in. And sure, we have Security checking people and making sure people aren't coming in with weapons, which I actually don't like. I don't like that we have to do that because of me. But we can't even secure in D.C. it's just not. It's not possible. So it's. This is like a major moment in this country that a lot of us thought could happen. We didn't know when or how, but we just really, in the back of our minds, thought it wasn't going to happen. Even though Phil and I talk about it every single night, there's no off ramp. The escalation keeps getting worse. All day. Let me tell you. The hardest thing was we, we. We have friends in this space. And the only thing that I wanted to tweet was that Charlie was okay.

[Libby Hemmons]

Me too.

[Tim Pool]

Even though I was getting people hitting me up and they. And I got a phone call and I didn't say anything because I didn't want to believe it.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Because the only thing that mattered was that the AP said he was stable. And I got a call from someone, you know in the. When the story is breaking. And they told me, this is a top level person in the know. He is stable. And I tweeted that a source has told me that he is stable. And then when I got the next phone call, I didn't say a word because I. There was nothing that would make me believe it. No, absolutely not. Until everyone else started posting it.

[Libby Hemmons]

Well, at Post Millennial and Human Events, Charlie Kirk was integral with Human Events. He was a senior contributor. You know, Jack is our. Is a senior editor. And Jack and Charlie are obviously really tight. And so, you know, we cover his show a lot and we would. We watch his cold open every day and we go down the list. We're like, we covered that, we covered that. We covered the dang. We missed that. You know, go through.

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[Libby Hemmons]

But we, Thomas Stevenson has connections in Utah and he used to intern on the Hill for Senator Lee. And so, you know, I called him as soon as I heard that the shooting had happened and he was like, and it's his day off. And he was like, let me see what's going on, let me find out. And he was driving, he pulled over the side of the road and I don't know how long he stayed on the side of the road, like trying to figure out what was going on because he had also alerted us to this event last week. He was like, this looks like it's going to be a pretty good event. You know, I'll see if people I know are going and like, what's happening at it. And we had reason to believe, based on the information that Tommy was getting that, that it was not, that it was not going to be good news. We had risen to believe that and we saw other people posting like a nurse said this or hearsay from this person or whatever. And none of us wanted to write it. And I was like, we are, we're not writing this down until it's confirmed. We're not writing this down. If we're, if we're the last outlet to write this down, that's fine. We're not, we're not going to, we're not going after anything other than like accuracy on this one. And we are just. No, we were just stunned. Like one of our office is fully remote. So everybody is all across the country. And one of the things that we do is bring everybody to a turning point event. You know, like, maybe once or twice a year, get as many people from staff out as we can, and, like, have a toast and talk in person. And that's just not something that we normally do. Like, it'll be months and months before I physically see anybody that I work with. So, yeah, I mean, it. It. It definitely hit our newsroom a little hard. And I was. I was so angry. I was so angry when I saw other outlets posting, like, writing articles and sharing them, saying that he had passed before they had. Before they had confirmation. Like, I was just livid.

[Ian Crossland]

I was having a hard time when I would see people tweet, there's no way he's going to survive.

[Libby Hemmons]

I didn't like that either.

[Ian Crossland]

Pray. Just believe he's healing in a bed right now. And then. I mean, but prayer works there. They call it the placebo effect. In science, no one really knows exactly what's happening, but there's something.

[Libby Hemmons]

I went to church.

[Ian Crossland]

Some injuries.

[Libby Hemmons]

Ton of candles.

[Tim Pool]

Let me.

[Ian Crossland]

Some injuries are so great that it's like the spirits can't mend, you know.

[Tim Pool]

I just want to say, you know, final thought on the issue of these live events, guys. If our streets have become a battlefield, you don't run into the battlefield. If you are standing in an open field and you hear a gunshot, you get down and you find cover, you do not run into it without a plan. My point is, there are more effective means of being involved in. In this information without. Without risking my life and losing all of the shows that we already do that reach a much wider audience over two live shows per month.

[Libby Hemmons]

And your family needs you.

[Ian Crossland]

This is the thing about in war, if you want to consider this like a. A culture war or whatever, paramilitary action, you have to live like that. Tim. What you were just saying, you. Your pride is irrelevant. It is survival. It is repositioning. It is defense entrenchment preparing.

[Libby Hemmons]

It's not about ego.

[Tim Pool]

I want to. I want to pull this up from the Daily Mail, and there's some context to this story. Democrats reject prayers for Charlie Kirk as moment of silence devolves into House floor shouting match. And so my understanding. Libby, you were telling me before that Mike Johnson had a moment of silence for Charlie.

[Libby Hemmons]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

And then what happened next? Lauren Boebert wanted to extend it, but the Democrats started yelling.

[Libby Hemmons]

That's what I could understand. She wasn't mic'd, so it Was hard to hear. I saw the clip going viral, and again, it was Tommy who hit me to it. And we went back and looked on C Span and pulled the full clip, which was like two minutes. Mike Johnson called for a moment. Moment of silence.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's play this and see what we'd ask that all members present in the chamber and those in the gallery please rise for a moment of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family. What purpose is. Gentle lady from Colorado? Rise. Sh. Let's. Let's. Let's. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. The House will be in order. The House will be in order. The House will be in order. We.

[Ian Crossland]

The House will be in order.

[Tim Pool]

We. We will join prayer right after this. Okay. The chair lays before the House a communication. So the Daily Mail reports is that, let's see, Chaos devolved when Mike Johnson attempted to lead a prayer for Charlie Kirk. So I think. I think what you were saying was correct. Democrats were against the request for the prayer. So there was a moment of silence. When Lauren Boebert requested a moment of prayer, Democrats, some of them began yelling, no.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Like Lauren wanted to say things. Is that what it was?

[Tim Pool]

One Democrat blurred out pass some gun laws.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah.

[Chuck Gray]

It's disgusting.

[Phil]

That's insane.

[Tim Pool]

Anna Paulina. Anna Paulina Luna yelled, you effing own this.

[Libby Hemmons]

She's. She's.

[Tim Pool]

And then it says she accused Democrats earlier in the day of being the origin of the violence against Kirk. Quote, I am done with the rhetoric this rotten house and corrupt media has caused. She post on. Shortly after the news of the shooting broke. Every damn one of you called us fascist. Who called us fascist. Did this. I'm.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm exhausted with the fight, fight, fight rhetoric. I mean, if you actually want to throw down and hurt someone and get hurt, that's when you use that term, fight. It's not about arguing with people. And Charlie was the epitome of the way to communicate without fighting. The way to get your job done without fighting. He wasn't a fighter. He didn't need to. He was a communicator. And this Elizabeth Warren being like, we need to fight. Have you ever been in a fight, lady? Do you know what happens with professional fighters?

[Tim Pool]

Want to fight?

[Ian Crossland]

You don't do that stuff anymore. We got to cool it down. And I got to start with myself. But it's just this, like, event.

[Phil]

This is what literally we've been talking about trying to cool the rhetoric for the better part of three, four years or so. I mean, this is.

[Tim Pool]

This is.

[Phil]

This is something that we've been talking about forever. For as long as IRL has been on. I've. Either I was listening to people say, hey, we've got to cool the rhetoric, or I've been saying it myself, like, yeah, I don't know what to do, but just saying, hey, cool the rhetoric is not enough.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it's not machine that's pouring this rhetoric into our country, into our airwaves, to make people crazy, to destabilize the country and eat ourselves.

[Phil]

There's a significant portion of the population that have been radicalized, like, currently on the left.

[Ian Crossland]

Kovid. The kids that had masks on during.

[Phil]

COVID No, those are.

[Tim Pool]

That's just.

[Phil]

They were kids. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, like, college students and young adults that have been radicalized. The person that. That shot Charlie, obviously, we don't know who it was, but it's likely that it was a young adult. Not necessarily, but it was likely that it was. But they were. They were a leftist. Likely a leftist who believed that Charlie Kirk had all these terrible views. Where did they come up with that idea when honestly, again, his. Charlie's views were very standard, boilerplate. Republican, right.

[Tim Pool]

Moderate American conservative, traditional, not particularly extreme.

[Phil]

It is not extremist to say it's good for men and women to be married and have kids.

[Libby Hemmons]

So. So Occupy Democrats. Occupy Democrats on their Instagram have multiple, multiple anti Charlie Kirk posts that they have put up today, including, yes, he really said this. No one should be assassinated. But that doesn't change the fact that he was a hateful jerk who spread nothing but division and ill will towards his fellow man.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, the dude, after he died.

[Libby Hemmons]

These are. If you look at the timestamps, 12 minutes ago, they have posted that. 33 minutes ago, they posted We've got it. Charlie Kirk spent his entire life disparaging immigrants, disrespecting women, and blaming black folks, only to get shot in one of the whitest places on earth. As a woman who went on his show a fair number of times, and I. He had nothing but respect for me. He was kind, he was generous with himself and with his intellectual, and he was, you know, he was a really good man. I don't see how you can say that about him at all. And he took. He took everybody's opinions. He talked to everybody about everything.

[Tim Pool]

There was a tweet. Someone said, the moderate right died today. All of these comments on this Instagram. I don't. I don't. I don't want to show Them and I don't.

[Libby Hemmons]

They're horrifying.

[Tim Pool]

But if you want to be radicalized.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, go to Blue Sky. I went on there to see that type in Charlie Kirk and see what was up. After like 14 posts, I had to X out and almost vomiting. It was just, and it's just like.

[Tim Pool]

That'S, that exists, that's out there.

[Ian Crossland]

If you want to look for it, you're going to find it.

[Phil]

And there's, it's not actually uncommon either. It's not like these are fringe people.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil]

Like there are considerable people that are. A considerable amount of people that are in public life that are on Blue sky that will say terrible, horrible things. You know, it's so easy to do.

[Ian Crossland]

And it has such repercussions that are yet to be understood by the power, the power, human power to speak and to propel it with mass media. It's so new.

[Phil]

You can you combine that kind of rhetoric with the political leaning that is most likely to be someone that has some kind of mental illness and you're going to get this type of reaction. The left loves people that are miserable, that are unhappy with their life, that don't have a foundation in any kind of faith, that don't have a family, because people that have family, people that have faith, people that are happy do not engage in political violence, they don't engage in revolutionary activities. The left needs crazy people. They need people that don't have the same kind of the same stuff to lose that normal people do.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil]

Like if you, if you have a family, if you have kids, you're not going to go do something crazy like this because you have kids to take care of. If you have a job that you care about that's providing for you or providing for your family, you're not going to do something crazy like that because you have a job, you have stuff to do, you have a things in your life. They need nihilistic, desperate people that have nothing to lose. And so the crazier they, the more, the more extreme they can find people, the more people they can find on the margins of society and tell them the problem is, you know, Christians that are having kids, the happier they are.

[Libby Hemmons]

That's something that Dr. Jordan Peterson used to always say, like, why are more people not speaking out? Because they're busy leading their lives, raising their kids. You know, I mean, is that something that you find?

[Tim Pool]

I'm looking at my face.

[Chuck Gray]

That's why we need leaders.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah.

[Chuck Gray]

Like Charlie, who are just masters of communicating, led their generation. I mean, think back to when I was in college. I mean, I graduated in 2012. Turning point was just beginning to start coming to campus. It wasn't at the campus I went to, but the minute that changed in 2013, 2014, that's when you started to see some of the changes and in polling and attitudes. And you've seen it more and more with Gen Z. I mean, that they understand what's at stake for public policy. And it's because of a lot of it is because of this work that Turning Point has done.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah, they were out on campuses. They were doing so much to get out the vote last year. They were doing stuff too, weren't they, where it was like, come to this event, this Turning Point event with Don Jr. And, and you know, vote early, drop off your mail in ballot right here and then come on in, you know, and like that was your ticket in, was dropping off your ballot. That, that seemed really effective. You know, that was a campus event.

[Tim Pool]

I went to my Facebook just to see what people were saying. And while there certainly are some awful statements, a lot of the lefty activist types that I've known since Occupy are calling out the younger left and the left is calling for violence. And I respect that. I appreciate that. These are, these are people who have followed me on Facebook and I followed for a very, very long time and they're very like, it was populist left Occupy stuff. So they hate Trump. And I'm just seeing, I see a handful of posts where they're saying these people are evil. Charlie did nothing wrong. Like he was just a guy that they didn't like. And I wish, and I, I, I, these occupied Democrats and this blue sky stuff is what's terrifying. But I feel like some of these, these, these older folks, at least these more, you know, I guess Occupy centered people are shocked and they seem to be angry about Charlie Kirk's death. So I'm glad to see it.

[Ian Crossland]

The, the, the vapid violent nihilism is just, it's not a sustainable movement. That doesn't mean it can't take over a government. But it doesn't really give people hope. It doesn't really unify and rally people without fear. So when things are good, it sort of falls away.

[Tim Pool]

So, so there's, I want to, I want to pull this up for you guys. So we have this tweet from Luke Gradkowski showing the, the building where they say that the shot was taken from. I don't think it was there, was it? I'm not sure. 200 meters, 200 meters is not perfect. It was 455ft. Luke says whoever this was, it was a professional hit. But there's a response. Alexander Graves says 200 meters is not a far shot. However, it was organized by more than one person. The old man who threw himself at police saying, shoot me, shoot me, gave pause on the search for the shooter, allowing him to get away. The individual who asked the question about the mass shooting was timely. It was not professional. It was an M700 chambered in.308. It was organized by communist leftists. Now, we don't know that for sure, but there were these posts where someone said, charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow. I really hope. And then he said, yeah, I'm not going to read it. And then he replied with some, let's just say something big will happen tomorrow. And this is the one of the first videos that emerged. He said, I have the right to remain silent. I didn't see the video of someone yelling, shoot me, shoot me. But I'd heard that quite a bit. It was him. Yes, he was. There's a video of it while he.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Was being escorted away by officers.

[Tim Pool]

Let me see if I can find it.

[Libby Hemmons]

He was released. This guy.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

This guy was the first person detained in the.

[Tim Pool]

But the first thing I noticed right away when they released him was whatever it is he did that resulted in him being the guy grabbed. It allowed the shooter to escape.

[Libby Hemmons]

Sure did, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Whether intentional or otherwise, I have no idea. But that distraction, could he have been.

[Libby Hemmons]

Intentionally part of a distraction?

[Tim Pool]

The argument that some people are making.

[Libby Hemmons]

Are saying, yeah, and then there was.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

The one guy on Fox News talking about this guy saying that it definitely couldn't have been him and that he wasn't capable.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, okay. We have this video. We don't know if it's him or not. And the, and that. What's the cop saying? We don't know if it's him or not. And he's yelling, shoot me.

[Libby Hemmons]

Likely Harvey Oswald.

[Tim Pool]

That's so weird. Yeah, like Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Ian Crossland]

Like what they did to Lee during the Perk Walk.

[Tim Pool]

And then they.

[Libby Hemmons]

They shot him. That's messed up, you guys.

[Tim Pool]

So the, the, the conspiracy theory shoot me, shoot me was that we don't know if it's him or not. The conspiracy theory is that it was organized. He was the distraction. The real shooter escaped when the first thing I heard was that.

[Libby Hemmons]

In which case, why would they have let him go?

[Tim Pool]

Because there's no evidence he did anything. The first thing I heard was that somebody. Somebody stood up and started yelling questions at Charlie and then shot him. And that's in the first video that I saw. It was bad, but it didn't look as bad as the second video. But then what ended up happening was I saw this. Luke had reached out to me and said, hey, another, there's another video. And this is not a handgun. This is not a guy in the crowd. And this became extremely strange that why would this happen, this shooting and then some guy be perceived as by anybody of being the shooter start yelling, shoot me. Shoot me. And I have the right to remain silent. Which only served to assist. I'm not saying intentionally, but the actions he took did help the shooter escape or who we believe to be the guy on the roof running.

[Ian Crossland]

That was my take, too.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If you want, we could find the Fox News interview too, of him talking to, like his buddy, saying that it definitely wasn't this guy and that he named this guy specifically.

[Tim Pool]

If you want to try and find it.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, I could send it to you. One of the, also one of the angles here that I wanted to hit on that I feel like we haven't touched on was the morbidity and ghoulishness of social media as soon as this was coming out and how quickly people felt the need to spin around how many different angles they could find of this young man being shot and killed and, and analyzing, you know, the volumes of blood coming.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, screen went up.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

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[A Lot Eliyahu]

Bon voyage.

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[Tim Pool]

It's that time of year again.

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[Tim Pool]

Instacart, we're here. Was it this guy?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yes, it was this guy.

[Tim Pool]

All right, so this is Fox News, and I turn and look, and they were arresting a guy by the name of George Zim. Yeah, I know the guy. I don't think he did it. I think they arrested the wrong guy.

[Donald Trump]

I think whoever did it was a good shooter, a sharpshooter. It was one shot right directly to the heart. And we need to find out who did this.

[Tim Pool]

I think there should be a research.

[Donald Trump]

Completely done that took place hours, maybe.

[Tim Pool]

A day before anything went on.

[Phil]

Who could be there and pull that.

[Tim Pool]

Trigger and do it. And I don't think it was George Zim.

[Donald Trump]

He was poor, broke.

[Tim Pool]

He maybe was on medication, a little bit looney booty, maybe a perfect person to pick and say they did it, but I don't think he did it at all. So at this point. But did you see him taken into custody? Did you see him with any kind of thing in his hand, any device in his hand or anything like that? Yeah, I saw when they. When they actually put the handcuffs behind his back, I followed.

[Libby Hemmons]

All right, we're gonna go to Jason.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. So that George Zinn guy, just for some context, he was a guy that called in a bomb threat on the. I'm right over here. The guy that called the bomb threat in on the 2013 Salt Lake City Marathon. And everyone thought that was gonna be this guy, but that ended up being complete false, false red herring. Had nothing to do with him. That's who this guy's talking about.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And a lot of weird.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you mentioned this is. You mentioned the ghoulishness of social media.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, people were, like, passing around the clip, and this is gaining millions of views. And this is the thing. We are drawn to sex, drugs, and violence as people, as human beings, we feel the. The need. And, like, people are digging around for all these morbid clips, and they're tracking up hundreds of millions of views. And. And, you know, it's. We're catching this guy in the most intimate moments of his life, bleeding out in front of crowds of thousands of people recording him. And because he's this sort of celebrity. There's just something deeply wrong and strange, and it feels like something we shouldn't be viewing in the capacity that we are able to do.

[Ian Crossland]

I agree that people have been saying maybe that this is like a demonic. A spiritual, demonic war that we're in. I wonder about this. And this is. Maybe it's a bit esoteric, but is that the reason. Maybe part of the reason why we don't torture criminals to death anymore, that we don't watch them scream for hours, is because that's actually creating a demonic energy when you have hate and rage. And yesterday when they. People kept seeing videos of that girl getting her neck stabbed by that dude on the bus, that it was generating this bloodlust in people I've never seen before en masse like this. Well, let me finish. And that it's creating that it's setting up a spiritual stage for things like this. And it's.

[Tim Pool]

That's why.

[Ian Crossland]

Why being calm is important and why not to just give into the fervor right away.

[Tim Pool]

Got the guy.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's string him up, you know, But.

[Tim Pool]

But I want to make sure we clarify. I don't think that. I think this event was planned long before the story of Irina Zarutska became a national conversation.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yes, I think that that's true. And I also think that, you know, as opposed to capital punishment, as I am, because I don't think it's up to man to take lives. I think that that job belongs to God. Although in this case, I was kind of buoyed by Governor Cox's words, you know, that they still have the death penalty in Utah. But, you know, we're all human.

[Tim Pool]

It's real hard to be morally consistent, I'll tell you that.

[Libby Hemmons]

It sure is. It sure is. But I think there's something to be said for public execution in terms of it deterring people. I mean, you used to be able to, like, see people get executed by death penalty by, like, the electric chair. Right. Albert Camus talks about witnessing a public hanging certainly in the colonies, in Massachusetts, Nathaniel Hawthorne talks about public hanging as a means of execution, you know, and it's in the Scarlet Letter. And it's. It's. It's brutal. It's brutal just to read about. It's brutal to read when Camus talks about it. And I think there's something to be said for showing the punishment that comes to the perpetrators of these crimes as opposed to just constantly seeing the blood of innocent victims spilled on our streets. You know, I mean, if. If you want bloodlust go after the killers, stop going after the victims every time. We have seen so much blood in the past few days. And the videos, it's. It's. I don't want to see more innocent people killed. You know, if you want to satisfy a bloodlust America, like stage your executions. We hear about executions, you know, we hear about Florida's killing people. What was it, Alabama recently or Texas? You know, places that do this. I didn't grow up in a place that does that very often. And so we don't see it. We just read about it the next day. And we read about how perhaps the families of the victims were there to witness it, because often they're invited to witness something like that. And I would far rather see public execution used as a kind of deterrent, kind of like Tim always says, with the gang member in the diaper being forced to crawl down. What is it? Roosevelt. Roosevelt. Yeah, I'd rather see that. I'd rather see someone in the stocks, as barbaric as that is, then see, you know, more of these blood fountains of the innocent soaking our Twitter feeds.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm open to public executions. I'm open to that, to showing people like, this is what you get. But torture executions, I don't like. Like stringing it out for hours, hanging.

[Tim Pool]

It was an instant, swift kill.

[Libby Hemmons]

But that's what it's always intended to be. Always intended to be that?

[Ian Crossland]

Nah. Well, only recently did we stop torturing en masse. So gracious.

[Tim Pool]

Graciously in what way? What do you mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, until like 1687, they do 20. Put people on a wheel and turn them until their bodies broke open. They.

[Libby Hemmons]

Oh, all of that kind of stuff, sure. But we.

[Tim Pool]

I think a lot of that is.

[Libby Hemmons]

To do that in modern America.

[Tim Pool]

I think so. A lot of the ancient torture methods that people talk about were actually fiction, maybe, too.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because it's impractical. Nobody's going to waste money.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, they're doing it for joy. They do it out of Salem.

[Tim Pool]

There. There was one thing they. The treadmill, for instance, was. Prisoners were forced to walk on a wheel that would. It was a mill. It would grind grains, and you'd walk all day until you collapsed.

[Ian Crossland]

There's one. Talk about the torture deaths. They put a rat in a hot bucket, a metal bucket stuck to the guy's stomach, and then heat the bucket up. The rat digs a hole in the guy.

[Tim Pool]

Done. I don't want to talk about it. We do have, ladies and gentlemen, we have a statement from the president, Donald trump, just about 10 minutes ago published this. Let's play it.

[Donald Trump]

To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah. Charlie inspired millions, and tonight all who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror. Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loved so much, the United States of America. He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, and the American people. He's a martyr for truth and freedom, and there has never been anyone who was so respected by youth. Charlie was also a man of deep, deep faith, and we take comfort in the knowledge that he is now at peace with God in heaven. Our prayers are with his wife Erica, the two young, beloved children, and his entire family, who he loved more than anything in the world. We ask God to watch over them in this terrible hour of heartache and pain. This is a dark moment for America. Charlie Kirk traveled the nation joyfully, engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate. His mission was to bring young people into the political process, which he did better than anybody ever to share his love of country and to spread the simple words of common sense on campuses nationwide. He championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor and grace. It's a long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year after, in the most hateful and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst good mass murderers and criminals.

[Phil]

It's good that he's saying this kind.

[Donald Trump]

Of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today. And it must stop right now. My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country. From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father, to the attacks on ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a health care executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of house majority leaders Steve Scalise and three others.

[Libby Hemmons]

Damn, he's going radical left.

[Donald Trump]

Political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives. Tonight, I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died. The values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of Law and the patriotic devotion and love of God. Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country. An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed. Because together, we will ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come. Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before. And it's not even close. May God bless his memory. May God watch over his family, and may God bless the United States of America. Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

I just want to say, it kind of seemed like Trump was holding back, little emotion there in the. In the beginning.

[Phil]

Well, they were friends, right?

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And I, I just. Great statement from Donald Trump. I. I appreciate it. It's. It's. It was good.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah, it's really strong.

[Tim Pool]

I. I need to be said this.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, it's like mlk. It's. This is like, why would anyone kill that guy? And then it's just a political power game.

[Phil]

Because they want the reaction like we talk. Like, they want the right to overreact. The point is, if they go after him, the right will get incensed, and then the right will overreact, and then they can say, we're victims. We're victims. Feel bad for us. They have been losing and losing and losing and losing. They need something to turn the tide back to them again, so that way they. They will win these political engagements or.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Lost over and over.

[Libby Hemmons]

More. I think there's a little more to it than that. I think that. I think that the. The left in America. Right.

[Phil]

Also. Because he's effective.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah. The left in America right now can't stand that one by one, the stupid things that they have imposed on us are being dismantled.

[Tim Pool]

Our team is getting death threats right now.

[Libby Hemmons]

And what?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Libby Hemmons]

And there are demons among us, and these people are demonically possessed.

[Tim Pool]

Name people.

[Phil]

No, I mean, I think that's true. Fair enough.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I'm. I'm being told that our team is getting death threats actively right now.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, this was a beautiful speech from the President. However, I don't think it convinced one person who believes that the president is a Nazi, that he is no longer a Nazi.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I thought that also, like, he's.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Reinforcing anybody on the left, I guess.

[Ian Crossland]

On love or something like, his behavior. They're like, oh, there goes the Nazis saying the Nazi thing again. I was getting that. That look on what he was doing just then. Like, if you. If you hate him and you've already decided you hate him, and anything he says is a lie, and it's actually evil. Like, no amount of outpouring of love. Well, I can't say no amount, but it's hard to.

[Tim Pool]

For.

[Ian Crossland]

For a speech like this from Donald Trump to change someone. And if he was holding back emotions, you know, like, what's he gonna do? Come on TV and break down and cry? Maybe that was like his third attempt at making the video.

[Tim Pool]

Right. But it does seem early on, like you can kind of see it a little bit. I mean, they were friends.

[Chuck Gray]

Getting back to the comments earlier, I mean, the radical left, they can't operate in the sphere that Charlie Kirk was operating in effectively because their policies are nonsense. That was. Charlie Kirk would just run circles around them, and that's why he was an icon. And this is a huge loss.

[Tim Pool]

I know. You know, I was saying this earlier. This will immortalize the vision of Charlie Kirk. They have martyred him. He was a man of faith. There will be murals and there will be people sharing his message, but he was more than that. And this is what has me worried, is that he was a powerful business mind. He knew how to build a machine better than anybody else, and that's an amazing job. They go after him not just because of his effectiveness, but he was once in a thousand years kind of guy. He's. It's.

[Libby Hemmons]

This is a generational.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Chuck Gray]

He was so courageous. And I give an example from, you know, I'm from Wyoming and the debates we've had over the last 15 years as I've been involved in public policy. So we're in Covid and things are shut down. In May, things start to open back up. We were, you know, trying to get things moving again. Charlie Kirk comes to the Wyoming State GOP convention, and he opens up and he says, this is probably the biggest event that has happened in the world in the last two months, and we are going to reopen back up. I mean, he had such courage, charisma, and that was a huge moment. I can tell you where I'm from. I mean, that. That moment in the. In the COVID debate was a inflection point.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

We were talking about it a little bit before the show. Charlie Kirk is probably the second most influential person on the right behind the president, behind President Trump. And it's really hard to exaggerate his influence between turning point and turning. Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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[A Lot Eliyahu]

Poor in action and all the people he employs and the cultural relevance of his show and these campus events and how much he fundraises for different people and he was involved in all of these different campaigns. Do we have something pulled up here?

[Tim Pool]

I just pulled up a tweet. I don't know what were you saying?

[Phil]

Anyways, keep going.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, it's just he was probably the most influential person on the right behind the President. What do you guys think?

[Ian Crossland]

I think he was. I think that that was maybe why he was targeted. If he was targeted. Well, obviously he was targeted. But if, if the political machine was afraid, who's. Who's coming after trump, it ain't J.D. vance. Guy's cool, but he doesn't have the charisma of Trump like Charlie.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but I mean, Vance even. Yeah, I mean the vice President. So yeah, he's. Vance is clearly next in line in 2028. But who's the Charlie Kirk was only 31, but he.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I know. He's the. But Charlie's the guy that moves mountains. He's the guy that.

[Tim Pool]

So maybe people believe and will follow to the end in 13, 14 years, you know.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean he was, he was.

[Tim Pool]

Going to be the king of that political.

[Ian Crossland]

He kind of got Trump elected.

[Tim Pool]

Like he.

[Ian Crossland]

Not single handedly, but he did great deal. I think Turning Point.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah, I think he did got out the youth vote. He got out the youth vote.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Libby Hemmons]

RNC had even like Scott Pressler.

[Tim Pool]

He made it fun. Yeah. Like the, the videos of him at these events at colleges were something you wanted to be a part of. That. It's, it's, it's incredible. And that's what they feared about him.

[Chuck Gray]

He was, it was cool.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He built this machine. That's hard enough. He was, he built a culture and that's hard enough. He's one of the most effective political figures of our generation or of the past hundred years.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean I think that, I do think that the reason that they, they went after him is because of how effective he was. I mean how, how long was Turning points an organization?

[Ian Crossland]

2014?

[Phil]

Five years, six years, something like that. Or was it. I think it started. Cause he was 17 in 2011. There, there, there's a tweet going around where Charlie Kirk was, was tweeting at Glenn Beck in 2011. He was 17 years.

[Tim Pool]

2012.

[Phil]

So 2012. Oh really? 2012, wow. So 2012 at launch, 18 years old when he started Turning Point. You know, I mean, so it's like in just over 10 years he built this massive, massive influential organization that you know, without question had an impact on getting the President elected.

[Tim Pool]

2023 revenue for TP USA. What's your guess? 581 million 500 I think.

[Phil]

I thought they were, I thought they were, they were, they were doing well, you know, so that's incredible.

[Ian Crossland]

What I like about Geez Charlie is that he, he wasn't really into spectacle. I mean he was, he knew how to lay it out, but he didn't seek it. He didn't like try and get anything. He was just being himself. And people believed in him so much that they supported him building an arena for it.

[Chuck Gray]

The other thing I think that was really effective in Charlie's message is he would come on college campuses. I mean I, I'm a millennial, right. And in time, I was growing up, it was all about college. You had to go to college. Charlie would come and he would say, look, if you're, if you're going to be here, you need to to try to dedicate yourself to what you want to be doing, try to have a direction. And it's not necessarily college isn't necessarily for everybody. And I think in terms of moving towards technical schools, some of the work the Trump administration is doing on that. Charlie is a great communicator of that point and it's the truth. It was another thing that he really brought to the equation.

[Ian Crossland]

He went to college. He just did it in a way on his terms.

[Chuck Gray]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

He didn't go to school.

[Libby Hemmons]

He was certainly not uneducated. He was extremely educated.

[Ian Crossland]

He went to college in the way that is cool. You go there and debate the kids on the campus.

[Libby Hemmons]

And it was his own personal great book series. His own personal great book series, great books. He just read everything.

[Chuck Gray]

He said you need to be focused. And he was a great communicator of the Christian faith and the love of, of, you know, Jesus and, and prayer. And I mean, that was one of his messages in. Back in April when he came for one of his live events in, in Wyoming. He focused. I remember one exchange where that was really, that really came out.

[Tim Pool]

Charlie's wife and children were there.

[Libby Hemmons]

They were in Utah.

[Tim Pool]

They were in attendance.

[Libby Hemmons]

I didn't, he. They don't always go, yeah. Oh, that's awful.

[Ian Crossland]

He was. I, I agree with what you're saying about his, his devotion to the Lord, to the Christian ethos and he. But he was also like open to letting me splay out all my disbelief. And he just listened. He loved it that I was willing to challenge him. And I wish we'd gone deeper.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you frustrated him.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I just gotten started, baby. I was ready to frustrate him for.

[Tim Pool]

He was very frustrated all the way down. Ian fell off the stage at Turning Point USA because he didn't look where he was walking.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, didn't do a, didn't do a once over the stage before the show. My bad. Pilot error.

[Tim Pool]

Oh. I thought Ian was going to be seriously hurt because it's like a five foot drop. He was walking backwards and just off.

[Ian Crossland]

The stage, magnetically elevated. They call it effortless movement in, in what is it in that religion in the east somewhere?

[Tim Pool]

What's that?

[Ian Crossland]

Taoism. Effortless movement. Is it like a blessing? In Taoism, you move with the flow, but the, the energy lifted me up as I fell. That was my point.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know what happens tomorrow. I thought about.

[Ian Crossland]

Charlie was alive yesterday. Like, I'm thinking 8 hours ago he was fine, or 10 hours ago he was tweeting.

[Tim Pool]

We were just Talking about the murder of Irina Zarutska and this. This. This random killing and the media. Van Jones called him a race monger, called him out. The joke I made last night about Van Jones was that he singled out Charlie Kirk. When we're all sitting right here, we had a. We had a bunch of people on the show. It's like each and every one of us is criticized in all the same way. And I was joking, but Van Jones was saying, Charlie Kirk is a race monger for daring to bring this up.

[Libby Hemmons]

That was shocking that he did that. We ran a story on that because I thought that that was absolutely out of control that he did that. And all claiming white supremacists are the root of all evil. And by. It was by. I was on Charlie Kirk's show this morning with Andrew Colvett, his producer, talking exactly about Aryno Zarutska and talking about all of this stuff and this rhetoric about, you know, white supremacists commit all of these crimes. And we were looking at the data, and it's not there. Like, the data just isn't there, you know, that they're referring to. They're talking about 2022, when white supremacy was defined by the Biden administration to be like anything, right? They had like. They had like, the. What was it? The Pulse nightclub shooting. They had that listed as white supremacy. And it's like that Islamic terror attack, right? Yeah, like all of this stuff. And maybe it wasn't that way. It was in Colorado. Anyway, I don't have all of my facts straight on it, but the Biden administration said. The Biden FBI said that white supremacy and white supremacist domestic extremism was like the biggest threat facing the country. And that was just a blatant outright lie. They were going after that FBI was targeting Christians. Like, we have the memos. Jim Jordan looked into it. That was literally happening. And then just a few years later, these leftists who are no longer in power, who no longer have the deep state at their command, who no longer have the FBI to run cover for their racism, are out here killing honorable men.

[Ian Crossland]

Singing yesterday about crime stats. Because there was a kind of a conversation last night, and one of the things I noticed about crime sets, like, say in the past, 30%, 30 times more crime was committed by black men in this neighborhood. And then. But the error is when people's like, therefore, you as a black man in the future, are 30 times more likely to commit a crime. No, the past doesn't dictate future behavior. It indicates what happened.

[Libby Hemmons]

Well, and every man gets to make his own decisions.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And kids need to know that they should not feel like. Because I'm in this, it means that it's like you can extricate yourself in the situation. You can change. You're not a statistic.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

But also there's a correlation. And you know, why is there a correlation of violence in certain communities? It could be due to, like, I think a lot of it is people want to throw money at poverty and get them out of poverty. But it's like, what does the money buy? And the main thing you should be buying is nutrition. Because generationally, if. Generationally, if you have nutrition, your kids will develop.

[Libby Hemmons]

They don't like that either. Right. I mean, the leftists are angry at RFK Jr. For doing that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let me.

[Ian Crossland]

Your kids will develop iq. And over time, people with high IQ will become creative and they'll solve the problems around them, lifting themselves out of poverty, naturally.

[Tim Pool]

So I want to. I want to share with you guys this msnbc. This is. This, of course, is before they knew that he had died, but I want to show you this. MSNBC has issued an apology, I believe it was for this clip. Let me play this clip for you.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's the environment we're in, that people just. You can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful.

[Donald Trump]

Actions to take place.

[Tim Pool]

And that's the unfortunate environment. Turning Point USA has confirmed that he was shot. And there are a number of. You can't say these awful things and not expect an awful reaction. So MSNBC issued a statement. During our breaking news coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate, insensitive, and acceptable. He apologized for his statements, as has he. There is no place for violence in America, political or otherwise. It is. It's funny that they're now issuing these. These apologies, but the entire time that MSNBC lied and claimed that Trump was a spy of a foreign country, that his supporters were white supremacists that have bubbled up to this degree, they only now, after years of pushing this, say oops about one thing. One guy said that today.

[Phil]

Yeah. And they, they've pushed this same rhetoric day in, day out. Almost every single one of their. Their online personalities has been pushing this day in and day out. And they will swear up and down that the right are guilty of stochastic terrorism while they have done everything they can to demonize everyone on the right again, Charlie Kirk, who is very milquetoast, average everyday Republican, not extreme in any way. And they will call him all of these horrible things because he has opinions that are different to theirs. And it's, it's, it's unconscionable that this is a contin. That they continue to do it because they're going to do it tomorrow. Like they're not going to stop. Like I wish they would. But the same people are going to make the same comments tomorrow. There's this, there's. You see it on, on X all the time. The, it is the, the only silver lining that I see is most of our politicians, most of the Democrat politicians have had reasonable responses. Not all of them. AI AOC has said some garbage stuff and a few others.

[Chuck Gray]

How about on the House floor? Yeah, disgusting.

[Phil]

Exactly. Not all of them, but most of them have, have had reasonable responses to this. A few of them have said, well, you know, it's a gun control problem, which is infuriating. But thankfully, at least the politicians are smart enough to make. To have a reasonable response. But when it comes to pundits and, and other people on the left, it is the same garbage. Celebrating the, this murder. It's, it's just, it's disheartening and it's disgusting.

[Tim Pool]

The, the comment from many people throughout my earlier stream and many in the chat right now is civil war. There was a comment someone made earlier that I, I should just put it like this. You go on X, you look in the chat. Everybody is saying that this is a catalyst moment. I have an X post that's going viral. I'm not going to read it. It has 15 million views, 15,800 retweets, reposts in which a democratic socialist celebrates the death of Charlie, says it's good, advocates for more. And my concern is this, this sentiment, celebrating it. They celebrated Luigi Magione, as y' all were pointing out earlier, that they're going to. When they find out who this shooter is, he may. They're going to make him a millionaire. They're going to give him. He's going to want for nothing. They're going to celebrate him like some kind of hero. This is. I went to Northern Ireland and they have the peace wall. On one side is pro Israel, on the other side is pro Palestine. And I asked one of the guy, one of the locals, how does that make sense Ireland? And he says none of it makes sense. It's just one side hates the other. He showed me this location where I don't know the full details. I'm sure those of you that are watching know much better than I. But it was a memorial to civilian citizens who were massacred. Several guys with guns during the troubles just went and just shot up some public location killing a bunch of innocent people. And one side celebrated it. They did not care who was killed or why they were killed, just that their enemy was killed. These people on the left don't know anything about Charlie. There's a really great video called this video. I believe it's called this video will make you angry by CGP Grey. It's an oldie, but it's a goodie. And it explains that online there are communities that are forming. And he makes this point. It says, no matter which community you think this is about, it is not about you. I am not talking about you and those you're disagreeing with. But he points out that it seems like there's two groups yelling at each other. That's not what's happening. In fact, what's happening is there are two groups yelling to each other about the other. These leftists don't actually know what Charlie believes. They don't know what he stands for. They only know what was told to them by another psychopath about Charlie, which is likely incorrect. This leads them to radicalization, where they then go and kill a good man. I'm not the only one who deals with this. Other prominent personalities deal with this. But we recently started working with a guy who said when. When people found out he was working with with us, they started saying, oh, you got to watch out for Tim Pool, because he does this, that, this, and otherwise. And saying things about me that were just completely false. And he was like, that's not true. It's like, I met him. None of that's true. What are you saying? But they just make it up. They tell each other, and they create a fake image of who Charlie is, who we are, what we believe. They get radicalized by it. Then they are told by MSNBC and the New York Times and CNN and Van Jones, white supremacists, fascists, hate mongers. Let me put it like this. Back in the day, if you saw if there was, like, a neo Nazi guy literally with tattoos walking around causing problems, people in the community would be like, hey, man, we don't want you around here. Get out of here. A genuine, violent white supremacists, screaming and yelling and threatening black people or whatever. People are gonna be like, get out of here. We don't want that. We don't tolerate that that's still true to this day among most of us, we don't wanna tolerate. There was a man who showed up to a Patriot prayer event several years ago in Portland screaming the N word and throwing up Hitler salutes. And the patriot prayer kicked him out. They said, get out of here. We don't want any of that. We don't want violent racists coming in here. That feeling you get when you're confronted by a psychopath, that feeling that you understand of why you would not want to associate with that person. These radicalized leftists are told that about you, about me, about Ian, about Libby, about Phil. So imagine the most vile person you can think of that you would not want to associate with. The left genuinely believes you are that. And when you go to them and say you're not a white supremacist and you actually don't like white supremacy, they are also trained. You're lying to them to trick them. So there's nothing you can say to convince them. So what happens? Charlie Kirk is killed by these radicals. And on X right now, all of these viral posts are lying about who he is and using it to justify why they did what they did and to encourage more.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

What do we do about it?

[Tim Pool]

I wish I had answers, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, think about like a global war between communism and liberalism and we're like pawns on the board, man. But how do you. How do you win that war? And then I guess you, you can also think of it from the ground up. You know, eat healthy, be kind to your kids.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

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[A Lot Eliyahu]

Amen. I hate to quote communists, but to quote the most famous communists, Mao, political power comes down the barrel of the gun and I'm unsettled. Am I misquoting?

[Phil]

No, no one, please.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I'm unsettled by how unfortunately true it is. So it seems that the difference a disenfranchised lunatic could make a motivated person, a person who is motivated and armed, how much damage they could do. It was proven with the guy who got a target on the president. You know, we've been seeing this with Luigi Mangione. We've been seeing this with the embassy workers, the Israeli Embassy workers in D.C. we've been seeing attacks on Steve Scalise. That was quite a while ago. But, you know, the damage one motivated person can do is so detrimental to the fabric of our society. I feel like this will inevitably lead to more political violence.

[Phil]

Well, well, on the point of political violence. Right. We should not endorse political violence from individuals. But it's worth noting Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the office of the President, and the government has a monopoly on violence. The government? The government. The government. Well, they do, yes. Legally.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

They do legally, but clearly not in practice here.

[Phil]

What are you. So you're. What are you saying that they don't. So, so listen, I'm saying the government.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Doesn'T have a monopoly on power because we have a Second Amendment.

[Phil]

The idea.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Shut up all the time.

[Phil]

The idea of a monopoly on violence means that if they use violence, they will not actually go to jail. You're just trying to distract what I'm saying with bs. The government has a monopoly on violence. Violence. Okay. That's not actually in question, whether or not they execute it or use it. That's. That. That depends on whether or not the President or the Congress or the DOJ will do their duty. The point that I'm trying to make is while the conservatives have control of the government, they need to exercise power in whatever ways they can. So I don't see a problem with actually trying to use the government to punish people that are engaging in inflammatory rhetoric because they're trying to incite violence. Right. If you're out here. If you're out here saying, oh, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi. The point of that, the intent, the reason they're saying it is because they want to incite this type of behavior. That's incitement, and that's illegal. So maybe the government should start saying, unless you actually have some kind of evidence that someone's a Nazi. Maybe the government should go and say you're actually, by calling people Nazi all the time, you're trying to incite violence and we're going to arrest you.

[Libby Hemmons]

Basically what Trump just said. Those on the radical left compared have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today and it must stop right now.

[Phil]

So maybe the government should exercise the power that it has.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So what? Maybe the government should make it illegal to call people Nazis. I'm not happy with how this played out, obviously, but like, I don't think there's a clear cut solution. I don't think there's a clear cut solution for the government to play here. Wait, if I could finish. I don't think the government could play have a clear solution here again. When you have a motivated, deranged individual who wants to kill somebody with a firearm. We have the second amendment in this.

[Phil]

Country not talking about taking anyone's fire and no one's right to wait.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, but Phil, I'm trying to explain that I don't think the government could do anything here, given the freedoms of our country and the motivations of a.

[Phil]

Deranged incitement to violence, perhaps illegal.

[Libby Hemmons]

Punch a Nazi is incitement to violence.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Libby, you're not seriously advocating that we make it illegal to say punch a Nazi.

[Phil]

It's already illegal.

[Libby Hemmons]

Incitement to violence.

[Phil]

We don't do anything to violence is illegal.

[Tim Pool]

If you tell someone, someone, if you say in a single sentence. So this is the problem. That's why they call it stochastic terrorism. Freeze. The limit of free speech is a clear and imminent threat. Giving someone instruction, time and place and a target. If you just say you should do this thing, it's not illegal. So punch a Nazi in and of itself is not incitement. If you said in the same sentence Phil is a Nazi, punch a Nazi, then. Well, instruction.

[Phil]

When they're saying Trump's a Nazi, that's.

[Libby Hemmons]

What we've been getting. We've been getting time and place. Right?

[Tim Pool]

Like when I go out, you're not.

[Libby Hemmons]

When I go out to pro. When I've gone out to protests and covered stuff and when I've gone out to protest, to speak up for women. Right? And you have people there going punch a turf and like I'm going to.

[Tim Pool]

Get you layering it.

[Libby Hemmons]

Walk away.

[Tim Pool]

They're layering it.

[Libby Hemmons]

My point is they are who they mean.

[Tim Pool]

The left has successfully navigated our legal system to destroy us every step of the way. So you will get 100 people on one side of the street screaming, punch a Nazi, which they know is protected, and the other side will point at a lot and say, that's the Nazi. Neither of them have spoken the single singular thing. And then they are telling everybody without saying it individually. And we saw this in action in 2017 at Trump's first inauguration when they instructed everybody, these direct action far left groups, to wear all black masks, jeans, hoodies, etcetera, show up in D.C. and engage in acts of violence. And then they did. They set a limousine on fire, they set fires in the street, they smashed windows, they attacked people, they flipped garbage cans. And when the police arrested the group surrounding them all, that group filed a lawsuit against the government and won. Because in the courts, our liberal, beautiful justice system, despite looking in the eyes of all of these people they knew, intentionally wore these clothes and brought weapons and damaged and destroyed. They said, our legal system requires you prove the individual did it. And when the police officer would say, I saw that guy do it and I grabbed him and I arrested him, they would just simply say to the judge of the jury, how many other people there were wearing the exact same clothes? To which the officer says, 200. And they go, is it then not reasonable to conclude this officer may have grabbed the wrong person by mistake, who is innocent? And they'll go, yep. So it is now, no, it is no longer beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, it's hard to know whether or not the cop was right when he said he grabbed the right guy because too many people are wearing the same clothes. So the government said, charge them with conspiracy. They did this intentionally, together to cover up the crimes committed by the people in their group who intended to engage in violence. And they failed then because of the arrest. The organize the organizers. And I think it might was probably like the aclu, the lawyers, one of these liberal organizations, press organizations, sue the city. They want to think it was a million dollars. This system cannot survive. Now, I love the English common law system that we have that makes total sense to protect the innocent. But communists looked at our plan and said, we can find every hole and break it. And they are. And there's no, there's no, there's no simple solution. This is why there is. Weak men make hard times. Hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Because there will come a time when a culture begins to break down. Everything we're describing is a bifurcation of American culture where One side says we must destroy the other. The other side says, please leave me alone or slow down their Democrats. They are actively working through our legal system, breaking it at every step, knowing how to exploit it. And we sit back and say there's nothing we can do about it. Because the reality is, if we decide you can't call people Nazis, the people over there that are screaming, punch a Nazi. You know what? We're gonna arrest you now because it is incitement. The people over there saying, those are Nazis, we're gonna call that incitement. They're gonna clap and cheer because they've won. They've destroyed our form of government. They've proved that we can't make it work.

[Phil]

They've already done that. Then.

[Tim Pool]

That's my point. That's my point. So the reaction then is national. God goes on the streets, and we are in the worst place imaginable, but at least they're not shooting us anymore.

[Phil]

Well, I mean, that is better than people shooting us or getting into gunfights, right? Like the. The. If the option is you have. You have to. To use the authority in the government.

[Tim Pool]

What? Finish your. No.

[Phil]

If the option. If the option is that the. The power that the government has cannot be exercised, then there is. Then you're leaving people with no other recourse other than to take the law into their own hands. And that's not what we want to see.

[Tim Pool]

We don't want to go in either direction of anarcho tyranny or tyranny. And so the argument right now is Trump should deploy the National Guard to stop crime. And it is horrifying that he has to. The ACLU press release, April 26, 2021, D.C. to pay $1.6 million to settle claims from 2017 Inauguration Day demonstrators, people who showed up. I was there. I was in the group that got arrested. I got released because while I was in this group of largely violent, far left extremists, journalists who were in there screaming at the cops the top of their lungs and spitting on them, inadvertently, not intentionally spitting, but like they're screaming and spits flying out. I went to the side on the right. I said to the officer standing there that was holding the entire group in with my hands up, just want to let you know, I'm a journalist. I have my press card with me. And the cop looks past me and he just nods. And then I said, if possible, I'd like to notify a supervisor. And then the cop ignores me. Eventually, one of the guys behind him says, okay, hold on. He yells to a cop. Lieutenant Washington walks over. I remember his name, and this is 2017. And he says, what do you need? And I said, I just want to let you know I am a journalist. I have my press credentials with me. He goes, doesn't matter. You're all under arrest. And I said, I'm just letting you know. That's my job. After about an hour, he walks over. There's a local news crew. And he says, who are the journalists? And I wave, they wave. He removes us all, and he lets us go, because that's how you handle it. Journalists who were with the extremists who masquerade as journalists are screaming in the face of the cops. They got arrested and then claimed their rights were violated. Being with the protesters and screaming in the face of cops is not going to get. So you shouldn't have been arrested. Fine. But I was there. I watched these people set fires. I watched them smash windows. They all wore the same clothes. I know many of these people from Occupy. I have been in their meetings where they say, black block tactics. We all dress the same, because then they can't convict us. And they got away with it, and they got paid $1.6 million. A system like that will not survive. And that's what we're dealing with right now.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Secretary of State Gray, what do you think about all this stuff? How are we supposed to handle cases like this?

[Chuck Gray]

Well, I think, you know, for one, I think Charlie, what he did with the debate on the college campuses. I understand what you're saying about live events earlier, Tim, but what you talked about very eloquently about your show, the audience you have, the audience Charlie had with this show, which we had on our stations in Wyoming, because we have stations, and we syndicated his show for.

[Tim Pool]

On.

[Chuck Gray]

On those. On those AM stations. That is a big part of. Of, you know, the answer in. In terms of getting our arguments out there. And. And I think the other thing, too, that's really important to emphasize is, you know, Charlie was a person that really believed in history and legacy and our country. Like, I think back to one of the other events that he did.

[Phil]

With.

[Chuck Gray]

The Republican Party and Lyn Freeze. Foster Freese, Lynn Fries's husband, was one of the first donors, the first donor to Turning Point, and was heavily involved in providing, you know, the capital and the resources to get Charlie's idea off the ground. And Foster passed away in 2021. And to raise funds for the party, there was an auction for Foster's desk. And Charlie was there. He Gave the speech at that event, and he said, that's the desk where Foster told me that Turning Point, that he was going to help fund Turning Point to get it off the ground. And he bid on that auction item and took that item home. And it showed me. One of the things I really think driving out here thinking about Charlie is how much he really believed and in legacy and history and the foundations of our country. He wants our country to succeed. And we have to make sure as we evaluate these issues that, you know, we think about it in terms of, of that lens, that vein.

[Phil]

Yeah, I, I, I don't see a lot of success in the future. You know, again, they killed the guy that was beating them at the argument. And if you can't actually have a conversation without, you know, ending up dying on stage, you're, there's not a lot of room. There's not a lot of direction left. You can go a lot of this.

[Libby Hemmons]

I remember a lot of that aspect of not being able to talk to someone because you disagree with them. I remember that distinctly starting in the 90s when I was in high school and then in college, and there was this idea that if you disagreed with somebody or if somebody disagreed with you. Right. And you thought that that person who disagreed with you was on the wrong side of history. Right. This stupid, idiotic phrase.

[Phil]

That's an idiotic phrase.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yes. Was on the wrong side of history. Then you could say, stop, I don't even need to talk to you anymore because you are a racist, you're homophobic, you're whatever. Eventually you're transphobic.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Libby Hemmons]

And so there was this idea that you don't even have to engage the other side of your argument if you can just blanketly say that argument is not worth having because your perspective is wrong. And I remember this perspective coming from friends, parents. Right. From friends, from other students, from professors. There was this idea of like, I don't have to talk to you. I have now decided that you are exist problem.

[Phil]

Yep.

[Libby Hemmons]

And I don't have to talk to you. And I remember at the time being, like, pretty grossed out by that perspective and saying so. Like, that's absurd. Have the conversation. Every concept, every idea is on the table and open for debate. We're all, you know, we're all educated people here. We can do that. We can talk about anything. And they've killed that.

[Tim Pool]

There are a bunch of videos going viral of leftists, TMZ also, apparently, that are basically saying, this is just the beginning, y' all are next. Things like that. Yep. And what I want to mention about these live events is one of the fears that we've, we've talked about quite a bit is that that shot heard round the world moment. There are a lot of leftists that are sitting there itching to pull a trigger with this moment. We are now seeing them saying it's on. This is it. The signal basically went out with attack on Charlie. That season has begun.

[Libby Hemmons]

So it is open season.

[Tim Pool]

Well, these leftists are basically what the attitude they're having now is have we started it? We're starting it now. The threat has increased exponentially, if you understand what I'm trying to say, right. When, when this group believes that there's no resistance, they just stay at home with these videos that are going massively viral and they have tens of millions of views. They're all basically saying it started, go do it now to each other. Which means the risk factor at all these events is probably 100 fold.

[Libby Hemmons]

Do you see Baron Trump moved back to D.C. really? He's finishing college by living and living in the White House.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

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[A Lot Eliyahu]

They think you are generally genuinely irredeemable, genuinely deplorable, Racist, homophobic, xenophobic. Yeah, same genocide supporter.

[Tim Pool]

I think the same with them.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

They wholeheartedly believe that though, and to a degree that dehumanizes the average conservative. And that mindset is. I think we really need to internalize them actually thinking that though.

[Phil]

Well, you know, I think to that point it is worth noting that. Yeah, you're right, that's. That. That to be honest with you, that should be obvious to everyone. But these attitudes are prevalent enough among the left where I think that people need to also remember that should they get, and I've said this before, should they get back into positions of power, they are a threat to every conservative.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil]

The idea that they were. They will. The Democrats will take control of the Office of the Executive and the House and they won't use the Justice Department to go after conservatives. They absolutely will. And that is, that is something. What.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

We're back in an era of political violence. Not on the level of the government, but on the level of the vigilante.

[Phil]

No, but if the, if the, if the Democrats take the House again or take the House and the office of the Executive, then the people.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

The people.

[Phil]

Listen, the people. Yeah, well, yeah, the people on the street will feel empowered because the government won't prosecute them. Like the problem that Tim just laid out, right? Where DAs and judges will not actually do things to prevent crime. They will not use any kind of authority that they have to prevent crime. That's only going to be exacerbated when the Republic. When the Democrats take back the positions of federal authority.

[Tim Pool]

When.

[Phil]

Well, there's. That's the way things go, Ian. There's. There's almost always. I would love to think that it's going to be Republicans from here on.

[Ian Crossland]

Out or just crazy leftists. Maybe not.

[Phil]

That doesn't. Those don't exist anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

Jasmine Crockett's on her way out.

[Tim Pool]

They don't.

[Libby Hemmons]

Jasmine Crockett is not at all on her way out.

[Tim Pool]

I thought she lost.

[Ian Crossland]

Didn't you say she's on her.

[Phil]

It doesn't matter what she's One person.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Look at the way that people are.

[Phil]

Talking on the Internet about Charlie Kirk today.

[Ian Crossland]

You find what you look for. But, yeah, I know what you mean.

[Tim Pool]

The left is rallying right now. Like the tweets that I'm seeing, 15,000 retweets on an account with 5,000 followers saying, it's time, more now, been quiet for a month.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump's authority has silenced that. And you know, when people get silenced, the voice of the unheard, you know what the voice of the unheard is? So they say violence.

[Tim Pool]

The issue is Trump has been effective in shutting down the far left extremists, sending in the National Guard, these ICE raids, as people had voted for. And the left is doing exactly what we all thought was going to happen a year ago when we on this show said Donald Trump will use the National Guard. We said it on the show, I've been saying it, Trump will engage in these ICE raids. I asked, I believe it was Sam Cedar, do you think Trump will use military with these immigration rates? And Sam said, yes. He told me I was crazy for thinking civil war was possible and asked him, if Trump wins, will he use the military for these, for these immigration rates? And he was like, yes, I think so. Are y' all gonna just let him do it? He said, probably, maybe not. The left will not let Trump engage in these ICE raids, deport people, nor send in the National Guard. So what did we see? We're seeing it now. This is the escalation that I feared and we discussed over a year ago. The National Guard has been deployed. The Marines were deployed. Indeed, the National Guard and the Marines were deployed to LA because they were attacking and firebombing federal facilities. So ICE is doing their job. Operation Midway Blitz. The left responds right now online. Now, I want to say this, we don't know, but I think it's fairly obvious that the assassination on Charlie Kirk is leftist motivated, leftist carried out. That's Occam's razor. There seems to be no other reasonable explanation. But for the sake of cash, the investigation, I'll defer to them to figure out what they, you know, when they, when they do, if they do, regardless of what actually ends up turning out to be the core facts in the case, one thing is clear. Everyone in this country on the right believes it was a left that did it. The left is celebrating it and believing the left did it as well. The left is active on X Blue sky and other platforms, even occupied Democrats celebrating his death, celebrating it, saying, well, he was a fascist. And the comments were all Agreeing. They are issuing their rallying cries now. It's exactly as we predicted.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it sort of is. I don't wanna blame the Chinese for everything, but when you say leftism, I think of communism and then I think of stalwart CCP would love nothing more than to see their greatest enemy kill itself. And if you could incite that by getting one side of that country to hate the other side, ooh, what a win for you. Cause then they don't even know you did it.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Not looking.

[Phil]

It's so much longer of a game than that. I mean, it's been. It's been stewing in colleges and on the left for ages now. It's not just the Chinese.

[Tim Pool]

We are going to. We're gonna go to chats. So smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff. We, for obvious reasons, we didn't do our standard promos or anything like the normal show. This is much more serious than that. Super Chats and rumble rants are your guys's comments and thoughts on the matter. So we will read those as much as we can change. Walter says, I hope I'm pronouncing this right. Rockwias Rocky Scott. How do you pronounce it? Rock with Scott Impache Charlie the Italian. Rest in peace. Mike Schmidt spoke on his death saying it would be a defect of humanity not to experience anger. We use that. We need to use that anger to do good. Until we meet again, Charlie Cheeseburger says Tim, start a crowdfund to support Charlie Kirk's family. Consider this a donation. I hope there is one. Let me see if I can find one. Probably a Give send Go. There is. Four hours ago. I can't. I don't know if I can find a link. I don't think I can find a link. It appears there is one. I can't find it though. Let me see. Maybe Gibson Co just has it. Trending campaigns. There is a campaign here for Charlie Kirk's family.

[Ian Crossland]

Make sure it's real.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's on Gibson. Go Their. Their goal is a million dollars they've raised so far. 25 000. Don't know who set it up, but it's on the front page of Gifts and Go. We. We like Gifts and Go. Those guys are great. We've had them on the show several times. So I. I feel for. For Charlie's family, man, there's. There's no words. CB85 says Charlie proclaim proclaimed Jesus as Lord. And now he is with his savior and Lord Trump lives, Charlie goes home. God is Lord. It is still sad to hear. You know, I know Trump says we take solace that he is with Jesus and things like that and I respect that tremendously, but it is still hard to hear.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, dude, he could have been alive for another 40 years.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Such a young man.

[Tim Pool]

Solace. Solace isn't joy. Remember that.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Accomplished so much.

[Tim Pool]

Some of these, some of these chats of guys I respect, but it's just hard to read. It's hard to read. 3D pyromaniac says the left has now officially killed the moderate right. He valued open debate over violence and the effing killed him for it. Yep, because he was right about everything. This was the way to win. These conversations in public to prove his point and they knew that the only way they win is through controlling the flow of information and lying.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

There'S a lot of these rumble rants and chats that I can't read, but they're not that bad. I'm not trying to make it seem like they're really crazy or anything. It's just people are angry. Mason M93 says Charlie Kirk was born the same year I was and has done more than I am likely ever to do. Why does it feel like every day the left is daring the right to be the worst version of itself? Sir, I only tell you if you really feel that Charlie has done more than you, you ever would or ever could do, now's the time to do 10 times more than you're doing now. Because without Charlie, someone's going to have to carry that weight. And we're looking at you, man. We're looking at Everybody jumped up. Pleb says as Nick Frida said, they didn't kill him because he was hateful, but because he was effective. He was the best of us, you know. May God welcome him and strengthen his family. Omnistone Herald says Asmin Gold refer to Charlie as a right wing extremist. Not really sure what he thought was extreme. Did he really and sound like as Gold don't know. Don't know. All right, unravel. Guardian says. Phil I said that a week ago. These people are not liberals. We haven't lost that conversation. I hope this turning point leads to a better America, but I fear the civil war is still ahead. RIP CG CJK Was that his middle name?

[Ian Crossland]

Joseph I don't know.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Charlie Kirk I believe it was a JS.

[Tim Pool]

James Charlie James Kirk Charles Aussie Brad says the Charlie News is all over the Australian news and social media. He wasn't just a Christian and conservative icon in the US but throughout the world, this event will be a major catalyst in change Turning Point uk.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah. And there were so many global leaders who were posting their sadness at his passing as well.

[Chuck Gray]

Well, Charlie had been doing some events in the UK about how they need to turn things around there.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah, those fascinating debates at Cambridge.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, exactly.

[Libby Hemmons]

He was more than a really interesting.

[Ian Crossland]

Christian or a, or conservative. Like he was just a guy, like a really amazing guy and found himself in politics and born in the United States, but what a guy.

[Tim Pool]

Man. There's, there's, there's videos breaking down the left wing media coverage of the assassination.

[Ian Crossland]

So hard to watch.

[Tim Pool]

You don't want to watch it.

[Ian Crossland]

Just brainwashing of brainwashing.

[Tim Pool]

It's just celebrating. It's crazy.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Just anger inducing.

[Tim Pool]

My God. Trash. Let's grab. There are many, many, many, many rumble rants and chats and so I'm just, I'm, I'm being as selective I can with the time that we have. And so Jim Faf says, I stand with Javier Malay's statement, the left is dedicated to anything including violence. To get their way, we must resolve to oppose leftists in the Democratic Party.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yes, that is true.

[Ian Crossland]

So crazy what they did Tiananmen Square in China in 19 early 90s. The, their willingness to just bowl over those people.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah, and you, you can't find out about that in China. So when Chinese go, go abroad and they find out about it like they never learned about it. It's been effectively covered up in China.

[Tim Pool]

All right, random guy says a part of me died today and I fear what's being reborn in its place. We're being singled out, demonized and killed. And I'm just tired of it, tired of it all. I feel hurt and alone beyond belief because nobody cares around me. I, I, I'm hoping that this is a wake up call for my, my liberal friends. I've, I've got people that I've known for decades and we still talk periodically but they post these ishlib memes all the time. That's just fake. And I'm constantly hitting up being like that's not real. And I'm hoping that this is a wake up call. I, I, you know, I, there was a post about Hassan, I think it was from the New York Times. I don't know what he said but the reporting is that he is telling people to stop celebrating this because he's next. The thing they're celebrating will come for him all the same. And we don't want to be in that arena.

[Ian Crossland]

He was going to debate. They were going to debate in two weeks.

[Tim Pool]

They were supposed to debate in two weeks.

[Ian Crossland]

I saw the video of Hasan seeing the video of Charlie being killed. They didn't show it, but his reaction is very human.

[Libby Hemmons]

Well, it was. It's absolutely horrifying. Yeah, that video is absolutely devastating.

[Tim Pool]

I got issues with Hasan for sure, but I've, we've looked at his YouTube channel and I've defended it because as much as I don't agree with his views and I think they're ill informed, his channel is actually just a collection of the news stories similar to what we do, but with bad views. And I'm sure he's the same of us while some of these other people just spam blast. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. He doesn't do that. And so we're allowed to disagree. And I appreciate he doesn't. He's not like Sam Cedar who just says my name 24 7, bro. Sam's made like three videos about me already, like in the past couple of days when I was gone for August sick. He didn't make a single video about me. And his views dropped 20%. No joke. Hasan doesn't do that. So I can, I can respect. Hasan has views I disagree with and that's always been okay. And he, and you know, I don't. I think he says bad things, but some of these people, they're grifters, they're bad. Hassan's not innocent, not perfect. But I can at least give him that.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, it is also 911 tomorrow. He did say, I believe the quote was America deserved 9 11. He said, like I would. He's the worst if I did the worst. Like after your nice spiel, oh, maybe he does nice news coverage. He's also piece of.

[Tim Pool]

That.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Americans deserve 9 11. And it just also is tomorrow. This happens to be tomorrow.

[Tim Pool]

When he says don't be violent. Stop encouraging that. Things like that. I'm like, okay, good. If you're a communist and you're not advocating that we go around committing violence against each other, then all I have to do is argue against you and I know I'm going to win.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I'm sure he's very careful with his words now. Post his comments in the past. And I'm not going to both say what I believe.

[Tim Pool]

He really thinks Zam Hyde woke him up.

[Phil]

He's an anti American communist. That's all there is to it. He's anti American.

[Tim Pool]

I think when Sam Hyde went to that arena and Said he was going to kill Hasan. Hasan. That was a hard wake up call for him. I also will say this, with all due respect to Sam Hyde, I think is a funny guy. I think he's a smart guy. I've got no beef. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I think that was inappropriate that he said that, that he was going to kill Hasan. And the reason is he said, not as a joke in real life. And people tell me, oh, he was just joking. I'm like, no, it's not a joke. There are people who follow Hasan who saw that and said, this proves the far right are racists who want to kill us. We got to do it first. It escalates things in an insane, insane way. And you can't just be like, I was joking, not to these people. We have people come on this show and say things where like, if you really were on the left and you believed this, then you would go do this thing. And we're like, shows off the air. And they're like, well, I was saying hypothetically. And I'm like, there are leftists who see this show and you just told them to be violent. Like it's a call to violence. Is called to violence. We'll get banned for it. You can't do it. So when he did that joker, otherwise liberals heard it and they don't think it's a joke. Hasan didn't think it was a joke and people make fun of him for it. And I'm like, I get why he's freaking out, bro. Like, we have to deal with this stuff. So I'm, I, I, I, I don't like Hassan's views and the things he says. I get that, but I understand why that escalation is bad. All right, what do we have here? I'm trying to be selective. Sorry, guys. GF says this is our generation's MLK event.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. That's the truth. That's entirely the truth.

[Tim Pool]

Do you guys think there's a risk of civil war? Sure. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I've been studying a lot about the American Civil War. It would be a different type of thing completely. It would be like a dismantling of the United States by eight different countries. Corporations, local communities.

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[Phil]

It would be like finding your cousin in a landfill with his arms tied behind his back by with piano wire and drill holes in his thighs. It would be like what goes on in Mexico. It would be heads on the side.

[Ian Crossland]

Of roads probably like the water would come.

[Phil]

It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be armed factions the way like, you know, people fighting. The way that you think about armed, like what war now it would be so it would be chaotic, it would be brutal. It is not at all what people think it is.

[Ian Crossland]

People hiding in schools. I mean, I think a lot. And us being like, well, we have to attack them in the school. We have to blow up the school because they're harboring terrorists and all this. Yeah, yeah. No, but yes, there is a threat.

[Tim Pool]

The one one of my friends asked me today, we were sitting down and this was still in the midst of not knowing what had happened to Charlie. And I wanted everything just to believe that he was okay. And I got sent one of the videos and within looking at the first frame, I threw my phone and started crying because I knew, even though I didn't want to believe it, I didn't, I didn't know for sure. But I mean, you knew. And my friend said this could lead to civil war. And this is not a political dude, this is a skateboarder. He doesn't know anything about politics at all. And I said, bro, this is exactly what war looks like. It's not like maybe it might happen. The question now is with the left's response about escalation, if they, if they actually start taking up on it. My other fear is that people on the right might escalate as well. But people seem to think war is like a bunch of troops marching towards each other. They've never watched a video from Syria during the civil War. Two guys in one building in a residential neighborhood, nothing else. And then a bunch of people get shot and they're dead. That's what war looks like. It looks like a car pulls in and a bunch of guys with guns jump out. And it's a shopping district and you're just buying some, some melons, and you look around, they run in, start grabbing a bunch of stuff, throwing it in the truck. They shoot a bunch of people, get in their truck and leave. That's what civil war looks like. Yeah. The American Civil War was several sovereign states and a union that had fractured. And these sovereign states had standing armies. Civil war around the world is not like that. There is no unified standing army. Factions break apart. In Syria, for instance, there was something like 12 factions at the start of the civil war. But we look to America and we think civil war is going to be one side, another side linking up and then going to war. No, that's just war. And that's, that's, that's archaic. What we are more likely to see in this country is factional. There's going to be different sects of leftism. There's going to be different sects of right wing conservative groups and moderate groups. There's different cultures. And if civil war were to happen, what it looked like for you, most, most of you, nothing will change except for what you hear on the news. You'll go to work, prices will go up. You'll go grocery shopping and you'll be like, well, I guess I'm not buying avocado anymore. Why? You'll hear on the news that certain roads, freeways from the south had been bombed. And you'll be like, yeah, the trucks can't get through, but your grains and your stable products that are manufactured in your region probably will still be there, but the prices will go up a little bit. That's what civil war will look like for people in big cities. A lot of these cities probably won't see a thing. It's. When I have this conversation with people, it's interesting because they believe I hear this all the time. Like when I went on the trigonometry podcast, they said, I go outside, nothing's happening. There's a civil war. And my question is always, do you think that In Atlanta in 1863, a guy walked out of his house and his neighbor looked at him and said, oh, I'm gonna fight you? No. They were neighbors. They lived in the same city. They believed the same things. DC's 80%, 90% Democrat. No one there is Arguing with each other. But these people in other areas do. The question becomes, in these cities, what will we likely see? Insurgency. Meaning why would an antifa group in Portland shoot and kill other antifa? They're not going to do it. When the far left took over the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, they called it, a handful of people died because they were paranoid and panicked and shot them up. But all in all, what did they do? They got a bunch of guns, surrounded this area, took over buildings and told people they couldn't come in. Now, if you were a white right wing group with mega hats on and you approached them, they'd shoot and kill you. Why do I think that? How do I know that? Because some kids were in a vehicle, they were joyriding teenagers. Someone spread a rumor that they were white supremacists. So the armed Chaz guards unloaded on them and killed them without investigating, without knowing. That's what they do. That's what civil war looks like. Now, here's the thing. At the time, people said, yeah, Tim, but it happened. And there was no civil war. Indeed, periods of civil strife don't always lead to civil war. The next step in civil strife becomes civil war. The civil rights era of the United States was a civil strife period. It did not lead to civil war. What we are dealing with right now may just be civil strife. We don't know. But based on what the left is saying, we have two major considerations. The deployment of the National Guard and military ICE raids across the country. That is federal, military and law enforcement action to a greater degree than seen in the past 10, 20 years. The assassination of Charlie Kirk and the rhetoric on the left calling for more within the same day. If the left decides to take action and we start seeing these armed groups like Chess Chop pop up and they say it's time to fight back against ice, the only question then becomes when? We collectively just think, yeah, maybe it's a civil war.

[Libby Hemmons]

Yeah, that's interesting. And what does a civil war look like if not the violent leftists versus the law enforcement, you know, and it's.

[Tim Pool]

Not necessarily local government. But take a look right now at the crime in Chicago. And Trump says, we want to send the National Guard. And Pritzker says, no. It's exactly what we said last year on this show, that Trump would try to deploy the National Guard. The blue states would say no. And we already saw the conflict with Newsom trying to seize, take command of the National Guard from Trump. This is all standing before us. I don't, I don't, I don't know what it looks like, but I'll tell you this. In the Syrian civil war, how did it start? Protest. There were protests. The government fired on protesters. Various factions popped up, started shooting back. It was not A versus B. It was not blue versus red. It was random group over here, random group over here, random group over there. After a year or so, they started to coalesce. And then it was ultimately ISIS that basically took everything over and shut down the more moderate reformists.

[Ian Crossland]

This is the recent civil war you're.

[Tim Pool]

Talking about in Syria 10 years ago.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

It started with. With a dozen or so factions. They were different factions that were not aligned politically. They didn't organize with each other versus the government. And their argument was the government was shooting and killing protesters. The government argued they were terrorists that were inciting destabilization of the country. After a long enough period of destabilization, isis, Al Nusra, and other groups started to force these people to join them or die, creating a power structure under one umbrella, which created ISIS over the whole region.

[Ian Crossland]

Was the CIA involved with that, with usaid?

[Tim Pool]

Some. Some speculate. We don't know for sure.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

We armed the rebels in the Syrian conflict to help. And the Kurds, I believe, against isis. And then the other side was also being supported by Russia. Turkey's involved.

[Phil]

There's a lot of players. There's a lot of people that when they hear, oh, you know, the US Made ISIS or whatever, they think that, like, it was the United States trying to create this group. These people already had these ideas and they had these desires. They had. They totally had agency. They were motivated to do this. What the United States did was gave them arms. That's it. Like, the US didn't have to tell them, hey, we want you to do this, we want you to do that. They already had all these plans and all these things they wanted to do.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Phil]

The United States didn't have to convince ISIS you should try to reinstate a caliphate. They already wanted that. What the US did was gave them arms and money.

[Tim Pool]

So we are going to. So Shane Cashman, host of Tales from From the Inverted World, is going live right now. And he also knew Charlie and hit. He has been at our events normally. His show discusses the weird, the wild. It's kind of the. The pressure. Release Velvet Tim Cast IRL after you see all the craziness, Shane, Brandon and Alex, they will do a show where you get to goof off and talk about aliens and Bigfoot and ghosts. Anyone can call into the show. But today he is gonna be discussing one of the most consequential story of our generation, maybe of the past 50 years. On par with some of the most pressing stories of the past century. He'll be discussing the Charlie Clark story. So we are going to go to the uncensored portion of the [e-mail] timcastirl but for those of you that are, that are watching on YouTube and the non premium Rumble, I encourage you to, to subscribe to Tales from the Inverter World and hear Shane out as he, as he discusses, you know, his thoughts on this. He wasn't here to talk with us about it but he's going to be doing his show now. So you can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Please hit that like button, subscribe. All that good stuff. Yeah, you want to shout anything out good sir. I mean it's been a heck of a show.

[Chuck Gray]

Yeah, it's, it's a sad day and we will not be silenced though. We have to keep the, the mantle torch going that Charlie has been doing for all these years. And we're going to. I'm, I'm, I know we will.

[Tim Pool]

Right on, man.

[Libby Hemmons]

I'm Libby Emmons and you can find me on Twitter. And thank you for sticking with us tonight as we tried to make sense of the completely nonsensical.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Thank you for tuning in tonight everybody. My name's A Lot Eliyahu. I'm the White House correspondent here. You could find me at A Lot Eliyahu on everything.

[Ian Crossland]

Ian Crossland is where you'll find me on the Internet at Ian Crossland and Chuck, I just wanted to point out you're Chuck for Wyoming on X.

[Tim Pool]

People can follow you there. Thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

Good to meet you man.

[Tim Pool]

Good to see you.

[Ian Crossland]

And Phil.

[Phil]

I am Phil. That remains on Twix. Today I want to sign off. I saw Secretary of War tweeted this today. It was Matthew 25:23. Well done, good and faithful servant. Rest in peace, Charlie.

[Tim Pool]

Please join [e-mail] timcastirl we will continue this conversation uncensored portion and we'll see you all there in a few. In a few seconds. Sa.