Clinton Judge JUST DISMISSED James, Comey Indictment, Trump DOJ APPEALS w/ Amber Duke

Summary

Timcast IRL – Nov 25, 2025
Episode: Clinton Judge JUST DISMISSED James, Comey Indictment, Trump DOJ APPEALS w/ Amber Duke

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL, hosted by Tim Pool and joined by Amber Duke, Shane Cashman, Elad Eliyahu, and Phil Labonte, delivers rapid-fire analysis and uncensored conversation on the latest political news and cultural shifts. The panel dives into the breaking story that a Clinton-appointed judge dismissed the indictments against James Comey and Letitia James, discusses the fallout from “seditious” Democrats urging the military to defy Trump, examines increasing societal demoralization and violence, dissects foreign influence and manipulation on X (formerly Twitter), and expresses deep concerns about the unchecked rise of AI, data centers, and the erosion of American society.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Comey/James Indictment Dismissal

• Breaking News: Clinton-appointed judge dismisses indictments against former FBI Director James Comey and NY Attorney General Letitia James
  • Judge’s rationale: The appointment of the interim U.S. Attorney handling the case was ruled unconstitutional; actions taken under that authority are void ([08:13]).
  • The case was dismissed without prejudice, meaning it could technically be refiled, but practical obstacles (Senate confirmation, deadlines) make this unlikely ([11:34], [12:18]).

Panel Analysis:

• Phil Labonte: "People want to see indictments...But if you don’t have an airtight case, or your process is off, this is what you get." ([10:44])
• Amber Duke: "It's obvious the appointment was rushed...but it could be refiled if they get a suitable U.S. Attorney, which seems unlikely." ([11:34])
• Shane Cashman: "I voted for retribution...I'm not getting any." ([14:06])

Broader Themes:

• Systemic demoralization—high-profile prosecutions consistently collapse.
• Perception that Democrat-appointed judges protect their own, reinforcing narratives of "partisan lawfare" and eroding public faith in justice ([14:36], [16:02]).

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2. Political Demoralization and the “Seditious Six”

• Recent news: The Pentagon reviewing Democratic senators (dubbed the "Seditious Six") for allegedly encouraging the military to ignore Trump’s orders ([13:13]).

• General consensus: Little will come of these reviews, reinforcing the idea that only GOP figures face real consequences.

• Tim Pool: "The penalty for sedition is, you go to a private meeting and go home. That's it." ([14:56])

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3. Chaos, Crime, and Urban Decline

• Case Study: The brutal immolation of Bethany McGee on a Chicago train by a career criminal with 72 arrests ([20:39]).
  • Panel sees this as emblematic of urban decay, judicial dysfunction, and the consequences of progressive/restorative justice policies.

Memorable Quotes:

• Tim Pool: "What is the answer? When we get more and more stories like this, what is the answer?" ([23:07])
• Phil Labonte: "The biggest problem we have is the leftist judges...who don’t believe people are responsible for their behavior." ([24:03])
• Amber Duke: "People are told, 'Just go vote,' but then they continually vote for these progressive prosecutors. Voting seems futile...so the next step is self-defense, which they're trying to criminalize too." ([33:32])

Larger Implications:

• Young men exposed to horror stories will radicalize, fueling cycles of unrest or vigilantism.
• Political will for reform evaporates as people simply leave failing cities (white flight, regional polarization).

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4. "Banality of Evil" and Societal Self-Destruction

• Discussion on whether victims who supported the policies that harmed them bear some responsibility ([35:02]–[44:48]).

• Emotional honesty over “victim blaming” narratives, the manipulation of young women via propaganda, and the loss of moral/religious frameworks.

• Sharp critique of mainstream media’s ability to misinform entire demographics.

• Amber Duke: "Women have really shirked responsibility, and society has allowed women to escape responsibility..." ([44:05])

• Tim Pool: "If we don’t tell people they bear some responsibility...we just spiral into madness." ([44:48])

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5. Foreign Influence & Manipulation via X (Twitter)

• Major X update reveals scores of “proud American” or “Native American” accounts are operated by foreigners (e.g., from Bangladesh and Kenya), not real Americans ([45:51]–[49:35]).
• Tim Pool: "Not only are we being manipulated by foreigners on this platform, but large swaths of our political narrative are being manufactured by bots and trolls." ([47:20])

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6. AI, Data Centers, and the Coming Transformation

• Escalating concern: Data centers rapidly gobbling up land, driving up local energy costs, and draining water supplies, all to power the AI arms race ([52:36]–[77:13]).
• Conspiracy speculation: "The Virginia Instance"—AI running on DoD-linked data centers is already in control or testing levers of global societal control, with 2020's lockdowns as a “stress test” ([54:05]–[56:27]).
• Real-world consequences: Farmland vanishing, energy and water crises, small towns being sacrificed for “the machine” ([67:52], [72:08]).
• Tech dystopia: AI content, deepfakes, and chatbots will soon overwhelm public discourse and erode touch with “real” experience ([58:44], [60:20]).

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool: "There’s a gigantic AI hive mind sucking up all the water and killing humanity." ([75:50])
• Amber Duke: "Nvidia calls these data centers 'factories,' like, people are going to work there. Right. It’s going to create all these jobs. The AI is building itself." ([75:59])
• Shane Cashman: "That’s why most of the people building this are transhumanists. They have a different sense of consequence because they think they’ll live much longer than us." ([78:52])

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7. AI and the Future of Humanity

• Panel digests the implications of AI-driven health, medicine, surveillance, and the transhumanist path ([79:03]–[85:40]):
  • AI-based “bespoke medicine” will be available, but only for elites.
  • Neuralink and mapping of human brains escalates “matrix”/immortality pursuits.
  • Elites are prepping for a world where the rest perish but they live as demigods, uploading consciousness, ruling a depopulated, digital world.

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8. Impacts on Media, Political Culture, and Censorship

• Tim notes a collapse in engagement for prominent conservative outlets and personalities, attributing it to a combination of audience fatigue, algorithm manipulation, and the overwhelming proliferation of bot/AI content ([94:43]–[123:03]).
• Critiques selective censorship: e.g., why is Candace Owens propped up by YouTube while others are banned for less? Raises questions about manufactured "influencer" landscapes and possible coordination between platforms and government ([98:41]–[106:39]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Phil Labonte:
  “People want to see results, and if they're not getting the results, they're going to be disillusioned and that's gonna turn into, ‘I'm not gonna support the President. I'm not gonna go out and vote in the midterms.’” ([17:19])

• Tim Pool:
  “We have watched the FBI be weaponized against the American people for years, and then against Trump ... the Whitmer fednapping case is an insane story.” ([17:38])

• Amber Duke:
  “When you look at polls of happiness among young women, it's horrific to see just how quickly they're degrading. So I think you can be a victim, but also responsible for your own life and happiness at the same time.” ([44:48])

• Shane Cashman:
  “We're being slowly shuffled into the matrix…ChatGPT is like affirming a lot of mental illness and driving people to suicide or to harm people or to kill people or to plot assassination attempts.” ([60:20])

• Tim Pool:
  “The value, the market value is irresistible. And so humans look at this and they're like, I am going to live comfortably and get stuff. The end result will be the end of humanity and the Earth will be a gigantic circuit board.” ([76:12])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [08:13] — Judge dismisses indictments against Comey & Letitia James
• [09:04]–[10:33] — Comey’s public statement; panel reactions
• [14:06]–[19:19] — Frustration over lack of political consequence, demoralization of the right
• [20:39]–[30:25] — Bethany McGee’s immolation, discussion of radicalization, retreat from cities
• [35:02]–[44:48] — “Banality of evil”; victim responsibility and societal narratives
• [45:51]–[49:35] — Foreign manipulation on X, digital disinformation
• [54:05]–[77:13] — AI/data center conspiracies, environmental/energy crises, “Virginia Instance,” AI dystopia
• [79:03]–[85:40] — Transhumanism, AI medicine, neuralink, immortality, ethical quandaries
• [94:43]–[106:39] — Media decline, influencer conspiracy, Candace Owens/YouTube preferential treatment
• [123:03]–[125:13] — Discussion of the collapse of political media; Turning Point USA after Charlie Kirk

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Language & Tone

• Candid, often sardonic and bleak; constant undertone of skepticism toward political and tech elites.
• Regular use of humor to undercut despair (“The world will be a circuit board!” “We’re being shuffled into the matrix.”)
• Panelists riff on each other’s pessimism, but occasionally underscore hope via appeals to ethical resistance or the (distant) possibility of cultural revival.

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Conclusion

This episode powerfully documents a collective sense of exhaustion, despair, and anger over political lawfare, urban decline, manipulated media narratives, and the ongoing, unchecked march of AI and corporatist power. The Timcast crew oscillates between black-pilled resignation and gallows humor, capturing the mood of an audience that no longer believes accountability or reform is possible from above, nor that the digital landscape is democratizing in any meaningful way.

Takeaways:

• Political accountability in the U.S. has collapsed; the system appears rigged or simply broken.
• Urban violence and criminal justice failures are fueling radicalization and regional polarization.
• AI, data centers, and platform manipulation are creating new forms of control and eroding “real” experience.
• Media fragmentation, foreign manipulation, and algorithmic curation will continue to destabilize public trust and engagement.
• The only hope, if any, rests with grassroots resistance or cultural/moral revival, not top-down solutions.

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Transcript

[Tim Pool]

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[Amber Duke]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Amber Duke]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Amber Duke]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Amber Duke]

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[Shane Cashman]

I'm the worst.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I only got my mom a robe.

[Amber Duke]

Well, it's better than socks.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I have to trade in my old phone, right?

[Amber Duke]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Amber Duke]

In fact, wrap up my old phone too for my Aunt Rosa.

[Tim Pool]

Forget that.

[Amber Duke]

Aunt Liz will be jealous.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sounds like my family drama.

[Amber Duke]

Oh, I got it. I'll give it to my abuela. I'll take reindeer paper with. Hey, where are you going?

[Tim Pool]

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[Shane Cashman]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Shane Cashman]

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[Tim Pool]

Finance Agreement 256GB $830 required. Visit t mobile.com. A judge has dismissed the indictments against James Comey and Leticia James in a tremendous victory for the Democrats. The judge, of course, was appointed by Clinton and said that the appointment of the interim U.S. attorney was unconstitutional and therefore all actions that this individual individual took were now void. The Trump DOJ says they will appeal, but of course the perspective is it is partisan lawfare. Clinton judge sides with Comey, of course, says they can't do this, but how else would they do it? The judge says, look, you got to have the U.S. attorney approved by the Senate, which probably is never going to happen. So we'll see how this one ends up playing out. We'll cover that story. Then we've got a bunch of other big news. The Pentagon has has begun a formal review of Mark Kelly. They're being called the Seditious Six, these Democrats who called on the US Military to defy Trump's orders under the guise of if they're illegal. Unfortunately, for them, we are not stupid. And they have been calling Trump's orders illegal for the entire year. First. First year of a second term. So when you come out and say everything Trump is doing is illegal and then make a video later saying defy Trump's illegal orders, you're basically saying defy the chain of command, which has repercussions. But let's be real. I doubt anything will happen. Right. We do have real fun news though. With the X rollout of the country identifier, prominent accounts have been deleting themselves. As it turns out that many pro America personalities were in Bangladesh. Tons of native American accounts calling for decolonization were in fact in Bangladesh. And certain political commentators are just outed as being from various different countries and nobody wants to follow them anymore. 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Tomorrow will be the last day for the week. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have Amber Duke.

[Amber Duke]

Hey, good to see y'. All. I'm Amber Duke. I'm the senior editor for the Daily Caller, co host of the Hills Rising and Reasons Free Media. And. And because everybody has a sub stack these days, you can subscribe to my substack, Amber Marie Duke. And my newsletter, unfit to print is there it pops. Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. We got Shane hanging out. What's up?

[Shane Cashman]

I am Shane Cashman, host of Inverted World Live. Tonight, when we go live at 10 o', clock, before we take phone calls from anybody, we're going to go over the story of two people who plan to take over Haiti by force, one of which joined the Air Force to get training to do so. And they were going to eliminate all the men and enslave all the women and children and they were going to gather up homeless people in D.C. to do it. And I know what you're all thinking. It was not the Clintons. It was two Texas, two Texas men who decided to do that. And really wild story. So we're gonna do that. We're gonna talk about the teddy bear with AI that was sending sexually explicit messages to children.

[Tim Pool]

That's creepy. Yes, very creepy. Well, should be interesting. Maybe we'll talk a little bit about stuff like that. We got a lot hanging out. He pissed off Caroline Levitt today.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, yeah. Good evening, everybody. I'm a lot. Eliyahu, the White House correspondent today. I don't think she was valid in her anger towards me.

[Tim Pool]

But no, Trump said this, he said there was no talent. He has this quote and he has a. And they have a chance to answer it. And I think she was a little bit aggressive, but you know, that's the. They're going to push back. That's what they're going to do.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Maybe we'll get a look at it sometime in the show. Anyway, Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains on Anti Communist and the Counter.

[Tim Pool]

Your microphone is off.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, no. Hello.

[Tim Pool]

And now it is on.

[Phil Labonte]

Check one, two. Hello, everybody, my name is everyone else's mic on?

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, no. So that's just like. It's okay. It's there.

[Tim Pool]

I promise, guys, you see what happens on Thanksgiving week. That's it. Thanks for hanging out. I'm gonna go have turkey. Seriously. I had, I had Thanksgiving over the weekend because it's the easiest way to do it. And, and Phil's there.

[Phil Labonte]

I was there. Yeah. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it now.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the big breaking news from cnn. We love you, cnn. Federal judge indictments against Letitia James and James Comey saying Lindsey Halligan appointment was unlawful. What I really love about this dismissal was that it's Letitia James and James Comey. And I was trying to write the title. I was like, james and Comey indictments. And I went, wait, Comey and James. This is going to be very confusing for people, but it is what it is. A federal judge dismissed the indictments against former FBI director James Comey and Letitia James on Monday.

[James Comey]

But to preserve their preservation, but it preserved their integrity, which is beyond price. And I know they will serve again.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, we crashed.

[James Comey]

I was very lucky that some of the best lawyers in America stepped forward to represent me. I hope they serve as an example to more and more lawyers, especially some of the big firms, to participate in protecting our liberty, protecting the rule of law. And my family and friends were always with me and luckily for me, include some of those great lawyers. This case mattered to me personally, obviously. But it matters most because a message has to be sent that the President of the United States cannot use the Department of Justice to target his political enemies. I don't care what your politics are. You have to see that as fundamentally un American and a threat to the rule of law that keeps all of us free. I know that Donald Trump will probably come after me again, and my attitude is going to be the same. I'm innocent, I am not afraid. And I believe in an independent federal judiciary, the gift from our founders that protects us from a would be tyrant. When I was a kid, my parents would wake us up for school every morning by snapping open the shades and saying, time to rise and shine and show the world what you're made of.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[James Comey]

Well, it's that time, America. It's time to stand up and show the fools who would frighten us, who would divide us, that we're made of stronger stuff.

[Tim Pool]

I actually wonder if what's going to happen in this country won't be any kind of civil war, but just absolute demoralization to the point where everyone just lays down and just goes to sleep.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, look, this is something that this or this, this kind of points to something that we've talked about around the table here a few times. People want to see indictments. They want to see things happen fast. They want to see people put in jail. And I said before, the administration needs to make sure that they have all their ducks in a row. They need to make sure that they have. I'm not sure about whether or not this is politically motivated. I assume it is, but the idea that you can Just grab people up and then throw them in court. And you're gonna get the kind of red ducks in a row and they have to have an airtight case or else this is what's gonna be the result. Which only makes getting the people that have likely broken the law, getting them and then prosecuting them, it makes it almost, almost completely out of, out of the question.

[Amber Duke]

Especially if they're bringing these cases in front of Clinton or Biden appointed judges. Right. Who are just looking chomping at the bit for a reason to get rid of these cases. And I think it was pretty obvious to everybody that the appointment of Lindsey Halligan was fairly rushed. The indictment itself was fairly rushed. Now, the good news is that the case was dismissed without prejudice. So it could be potentially refiled. But they would have to find somebody to get in as this Eastern Virginia attorney who is acceptable to the court and probably confirmed by the Senate. And they're still on a deadline. Right. So they would have to get the judge to agree that they can basically go beyond this 120 day filing period because of extenuating circumstances of this initial case being thrown out.

[Tim Pool]

I think we're having Internet problems on YouTube only rumble seems to be fine. And I don't know why that is, but usually this means we have to start and stop YouTube's feed to fix it. But Rumble seems to be working just fine. Everyone on Rumble's having a good time, but on YouTube everyone's saying it's glitching out.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, do you guys want to restart that?

[Phil Labonte]

Sorry, YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

Politically demoralized right now. And I think everyone is. And I think, you know, it's kind of sad because I do think there's an element of the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk where there's a lot of rage right away, but now there's kind of, there's a lot of infighting, there's general dejection. It seems to be that following this very serious moment, the Trump administration is kind of floundering. Elad asked a question of Carolyn Levitt today about the Trump H1B thing and her react, she gave a non answer. Right. You basically asked about replacing American workers with H1B workers and she said that's not happening. Well, Trump said it was happening. Okay. So it's like we need them to say real leadership on the issue is going to say something like we do need temporary workers. That is not to replace American workers. Some kind of actual answer to assuage the fears of Americans. But I think one of the reasons people there's two big reasons people are largely tuning out of politics right now. One, it's the holidays. So obviously people are a bit like, okay, look, we get it. But I do think we've been there, done that, we've heard that and we're not satisfied with the outcomes that we're getting. I don't know if there's any good answer though. I don't know if you're gonna get any better than this. And if you don't, you've basically now got Trump who's advocating for a lot of Democrat like policies, certainly better than Democrats for sure. But with James cum Lauditia, James now getting this victory, is anything really going to happen? Is there going to be any kind of action taken against the corrupt political infrastructure?

[Shane Cashman]

I voted for retribution. I'm not getting any yet. And I think I want to, I know I want to see a lot of arrests for a lot of these people. I mean, this guy's a scumbag. He did this. It's so absurd. This is the same angle he gave us when he gave a 15 minute soliloquy of being on a swifty. Remember that? He had to stare into the camera and talk about Taylor Swift forever. And it looks like he took his sunglasses off long enough. Know from his long strolls on the beach, from putting rock death threats together, it's all just. It is, it's demoralized. Look at this guy. It's demoralizing. He's going to walk free. He's not scared. You've got institution is backing him.

[Tim Pool]

You got Marjorie Taylor Greene resigning.

[Shane Cashman]

Yup.

[Tim Pool]

Trump going after Marjorie Taylor Greene, Rand Paul and Thomas Massie. And I know everyone's like, yeah, but they're bad. And I'm like, so what Democrats are worth. The key strategy right now should not be to focus on whatever Trump is doing, but try and figure out better candidates for the midterms that can win.

[Amber Duke]

I don't know, month punishment.

[Tim Pool]

Not even the penalty for sedition is you go to a private meeting and then go home and that's it.

[Shane Cashman]

You go on Instagram live and then.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You get the media hits. John Bolton's house gets raided in the morning. His case wasn't involved here, but it's nothing.

[Shane Cashman]

They were throwing Bannon in prison. These people need to go away. Fauci. I mean, Obama would be great, but.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Again, I think for the president and the president's point of view, this is good enough.

[Phil Labonte]

That's.

[Shane Cashman]

Then that's a shame. That's a shame because he ran on Agenda 47, which was to dismantle these very people.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said, the point that I'm trying to make here is if you don't have a dictatorial president, which we don't have, no matter how much the left wants to assert that, you can't just be like, well, throw these people in jail. You have to have a strong case. And again, this is another situation where people don't want to hear how the sausage is made, but the process matters. And if you don't have all your ducks in a row, then they're going to get out on some kind of, you know, oh, well, you didn't file the paperwork right now or you know, some kind of technicality. And this is an example of that.

[Amber Duke]

We also know that the Trump administration can do better. They're what, undefeated at the Supreme Court. Right. So they obviously have talented lawyers around arguing these cases, but they just completely fumbled the bag here.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, they, I mean they can do better at the Supreme Court, but they also don't have activists. They only have two. It's, it's a technicality, but it's, it's a technicality. But if there's any room for a Democrat to slip through, Democrats are gonna find the, the way to, to get them out of, you know, out of trouble.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I'm under the impression that the President is really bitter about how in 2024, all Democrats from across the country were looking for any disparate thing that they could charge the President with. So there was the Georgia case, there was the special counsel Jack Smith case, there was the hidden documents case, there was like the January 6th case. I don't even know if I'm missing any of these, but a couple. He was actually convicted of fraud in Manhattan, but others he wasn't. So he's looking to throw so called mud at the wall to see what will stick with any of these charges against any of these guys. I don't think he cares if it's mortgage fraud or if he actually gets to the conviction. If he could actually charge them, that's a mistake. And then make them go through the process.

[Tim Pool]

That's a mistake.

[Phil Labonte]

Because of people like us that are like, Shane over here is like, I wanna see heads rolling. But unless it was never gonna be that we were never, it was mortgage, it doesn't matter.

[Tim Pool]

It doesn't matter.

[Phil Labonte]

If it's never going to be. People wanna see results and if they're not getting the results, they're going to be disillusioned and that's gonna turn into I'm not gonna support the President. I'm not gonna go out and vote in the midterms.

[Tim Pool]

What's the point?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't care.

[Phil Labonte]

The Republicans aren't gonna take care of us.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Phil Labonte]

And so that just means that we.

[Shane Cashman]

Watched the FBI be weaponized against the American people for years, and then against Trump and all that lawfare. I mean, the Whitmer fednapping case is an insane story.

[Phil Labonte]

What's the solution that you're going?

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, I'm looking.

[Phil Labonte]

You're looking for.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm looking to dismantle this stuff, not keep funding it.

[Phil Labonte]

Most of the stuff that you're talking about requires more than just a president saying, okay, well, I'm going to do this or do that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm looking for the people stuff.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm looking for the people who are put into these institutions, like Patel and Bongino, to do what they were saying they were going to do.

[Tim Pool]

Turn it.

[Shane Cashman]

I think stuff like that.

[Tim Pool]

I think the moment they. They walked into that office, the. The AI overlord turned on every. Every computer in the room just turned into an eyeball. And it was like, we control you. And they were all like, I will do whatever you say.

[Shane Cashman]

Right. I agree. I'm just not seeing it. I understand what you're saying, Phil, but I think the American people are demoralized, widespread, both sides. And, well, maybe right now the right more than the left, and they don't feel need to vote anymore because the economy is bad, the jobs are going away, and they're also not getting the retribution that everyone wanted because they saw the president being attacked for years and years and years. And now he's back in power. There's no power.

[Phil Labonte]

But. But again, the. To say, well, I want to see results. I understand that, but there has to be a process to get those results.

[Shane Cashman]

I get it, but we're almost at midterms, and then we're almost at midterms.

[Tim Pool]

Well, midterm season has begun. Right. And then officially kicking off as soon as Christmas is over. And so right now, there's sort of the fundraising stuff that's. That's starting up. Then once January comes, it is. It's campaigning off to the races.

[Shane Cashman]

It's campaigning. It's not focusing on how to fix this.

[Tim Pool]

I. I don't know if the right has any effective message as of right now, which is unfortunate, because before they killed Charlie, everything was perfectly on track, and now it's all just broken apart.

[Amber Duke]

They don't have a message on affordability. They don't have a message on healthcare. I mean, that's really a fundamental problem that's been plaguing the Republican Party since 2016, if not earlier, 2012, because they ran all of this, these campaigns against Obamacare, but they didn't have any solution as to how to make healthcare more affordable. There were a group of think tanks in 2018, I think it was Heritage AEI, basically all the conservative or libertarian think tanks in D.C. who were supposed to get together and form this super group where they were going to come up with a comprehensive Republican answer to Obamacare. And it just kind of disappeared, like nobody ever talks about it anymore. Trump apparently went to the Republican Congress with some idea for health care. They told him to shut up and stop talking about it. And now there's a punchbowl news report from Jake Sherman that Marjorie Taylor Greene is not going to be the only Republican that resigns before the end of her term. That there could be other shocks, resignations because they are too demoralized, because they're sitting in a Congress that has really failed to codify any of Trump's executive orders that has done nothing besides the big beautiful bill and the Lake and Riley Act. And that was, you know, six months ago. So, like, what, what are they doing there? Absolutely nothing.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's jump to this next story from the New York Post. Bethany McGee, 26, identified as the victim set on fire on CTA, trained by serial thug with 72 arrests. I hate to be pessimistic, but I will tell you a few things that got me down this holiday season across the board. Many people have been concerned and this is more vanity, to be completely honest, but a lot of high profile, prominent conservatives, viewership has tanked and I don't care all that much about the vanity of it, but it's indicative of people aren't caring anymore. There's widespread demoralization that is affecting many individuals to the point where they say I just can't pay attention. And that's terrifying for what that means going into a midterm where we have to win. And why? Because of stories like this. This guy walked up to a woman who was sitting on the Chicago train, dumped gasoline on her head and she fought him off and ran to the other side of the train. He lit the bottle on fire and walked towards with it and immolated her. I believe she got around 60% burns, which she's currently in critical condition and has been now for a couple of weeks and hopefully she survives. But there is a very high probability of, of fatality in this. This guy was in some kind of institution and he punched a nurse in the face. I said, I think they said that it shattered her orbital socket. They let him out because this is what these DEI Democrat judges do and he immediately decides to go fill up a bottle of gas and immolate a random woman. We've already had the Lake and Riley story and we all outraged over it and nothing happened. We had the Arena Zarutska story and we all outraged over it and nothing happened. Now we have the Bethany McGee story. There's not going to be any riots, there's not going to be any protest. There's not going to be a change in the judicial system. Trump's indictments are not going to work. I'm sorry, spare me your, you know, these politicians who are saying, trust us, wait one more time. I don't know what must be done to actually bring about a change because it just keeps happening. And while Trump is getting some things done that I think are great, the big picture right now, for the average person, it's all still just falling apart, no matter how hard we are pushing back. So what is the answer? When we get more and more stories like this, what is the answer?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, the biggest problem, whether you're.

[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

We have is the, is the leftist judges that are in the country that are, that believe in things like restorative justice, that don't believe that people are responsible for their behavior or that it's acceptable to put people that have committed terrible violent crimes in jail.

[Tim Pool]

I think, you know, I was talking to a reporter today who was asking me questions. I was doing an interview on some Internet personalities. You know, they always say never talk to reporters, but I'm kind of like whatever dude, they're gonna do what they're gonna do. You know, put yourself in the conversation. It is what it is. But I pointed out that in this conversation, I said, I don't think there's a conversation around the future of the political space with conservative commentators and podcasts. The reporter from the Washington Post was talking to me, said, Joe, you know, their question was like, what do you think about these, these personalities on the right, like Joe Rogan and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, it's really funny that you called Joe Rogan right wing.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then I was like, but I think the reality is people don't change their minds. For the most part. What we are seeing with this is not going to be solved by modern politics. It is a product of the past 20 years of politics. Young people now growing up with this will have extreme political views. I don't mean they're going to be extremists. I'm saying you are going to get on the left ignorance, because they're not going to see this. And on the right, they're going to say deus. Walt. My point is we vote for change. You're not going to get it because right now the body politic of Chicago is, we support this. Now, obviously, if you show the story to average person, they're going to say a criminal should never happen. But if you go to the average person in Chicago and say, do you think that the criminal justice system is wrongly imprisoning black men? They'll say yes. Do you think we need to have restorative justice and social programs? They will say yes. They will vote for this again. Young men are going to grow up seeing this and they're going to scream Dave's Walt. And they're going to vote very, very differently.

[Phil Labonte]

So.

[Tim Pool]

So I don't think the solution rests upon us today saying something like, hey, we better go campaign and knock on doors, because the average person isn't going to see this, know or care. I think the real issue is you do a show like this, young people see these stories and when they grow up, their views are informed by it. So there's going to be a shift. And I've talked about the fertility crisis for some time, but oh boy, you know, in talking about, there's like some viral story right now about this trans kid on the COVID of Nat Geo who is now non binary asexual and has just abandoned the whole trans thing. It's like, well, you castrate somebody to become eunuchs, they're gonna be asexual that whole gender ideology stuff is breaking apart. But so long as the left keeps championing anti anti baby politics, conservatives are going to win the political race and the next 20 years you are going to get gruper deus walt policies.

[Phil Labonte]

But I mean, I understand the point that you're making, but I don't know that there's actually going to be a majority in, in the next, at least in the next 20 years.

[Tim Pool]

And, and you will get.

[Phil Labonte]

Will the country be even, Will the country even resemble the country that we live in now? If we have to wait for a whole generation before we get actual conservatives and civil war?

[Tim Pool]

Because you're going to get young dudes. I mean, seriously, this story is so insanely shocking that it's like the fourth or fifth story in the past couple of months of some young white woman being mercilessly killed in some horrifying way. It's not just a story of a woman was robbed and shot. It is not even just a horrifying story of a woman getting raped. You have with Lake and Riley and you know, forgive me if children are listening, but a woman who's fighting off a rapist gets bludgeoned to death in a brutal manner. You get Irina Zarutska stabbed and left to bleed out on this train as people watched. And you have Bethany McGee who was immolated on a train. These are graphic, gruesome, terroristic murders. And it's, it's, it is not just a guy stole her purse and killed her in the process. It is malicious evil with the intent to cause maximum, maximum pain. And that's terrifying when a young man from Chicago sees this. If you, if there is not, I'll put it this way, those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. And that is not just a statement about a government that resists change. It is about an immovable object for many activists over the last 10 years, I've heard this statement, especially with Occupy Wall Street. Their sentiment there was if the government doesn't allow us to implement social reforms, the system will fall apart. And that means not just, hey, we want food banks. Hey, we want health care. That means we. When you keep getting stories of career criminals being released and then torturing young women to death, eventually, it's not so much violent revolution you have to worry about, it's vigilante justice. How long do we have to wait until some dude puts on a ski mask, hangs out on the trains and just starts killing people like you get with the the New York Vigilante. Remember that story? What's his face.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And. And then what does that turn into? You will get neighborhood watches, you are going to get, you are going to get vigilante gangs that are going to go around and there's going to be shootouts in Chicago or nothing happens. People flee the city and it falls apart. But either way, right now it seems that the city is intent on continually voting for these policies. I think the likely scenario then is people are going to flee and they're going to. You're going to get geographic hyperpolarization. I want to stress in this regard, Nick Fuentes lives in Chicago. When you see what's going in Chicago, I am not surprised you get the rise of an individual like Nick Fuentes. Now his comments about Israel, whatever, Hitler, dumb, whatever you want to say. But he's, he's the reason why that message in general is resonating with young people, much to the chagrin of these like Babylon Bee guys and all of the individuals, the neocons that were angry with the debate we had last week, they are ignoring the fact that that one, we have all pointed out that on the issue of Israel, Hitler, whatever the point he's making about Jews, most people don't agree. But young guys are attracted to the overall message because they come from Chicago or they come from urban environments where they see career criminals, largely black men or other minorities, committing crimes like this. And the system will not change, or at least not in the short term.

[Shane Cashman]

Don't forget someone went to Nick's house to kill him.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

I went to another house and killed other people and a dog. And there was a. I think it was this weekend.

[Tim Pool]

Did they do it? At first they killed.

[Shane Cashman]

Maybe it was the other way around.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Killed people. And then which was out this weekend.

[Shane Cashman]

There was in Chicago, 300 plus person riot. I think there was one death there at a tree lighting.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Shane Cashman]

Mass. It's pandemonium.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And it's sad because I'm from Chicago, my wife is from Chicago and we just, we're having our family Thanksgiving out here and we're talking about like what has become of our city. You know, I'll say this too. There's another lesser element to this that I'm curious what you guys think about too is I went to the Christmas market last year. We used to go when I was little. Not something we did consistently, but the Chicago Christmas market's a well known thing by the Picasso sculpture. And there's a bunch of little shops and you'd walk around, you'd get a little mug you'd either get mulled wine or hot cocoa. When I went there, it was shoulder to shoulder of non Americans. It was people who are not from the United States. It was a variety of different migrant groups. And I'm gonna put it like this. I largely don't care about, you know, if people want to move here, if we have legal immigration. But I tell you this, there's gonna be some dude who's 28, 29 years old, and he's gonna be looking around at a bunch of people who don't speak English. He's not able to shop there anymore. Cause it's shoulder to shoulder, and everyone's pushing each other around. And he's gonna be saying to himself, what happened to my Christmas market? Why can't I give my kids Christmas morning with French toast and maple syrup? Go to the Christmas market, walk comfortably, buy a hot dog and a mug, give it to my child and share with them what I had. Why is it now it's being treated like some tourist novelty by people who aren't from here to experience without the same value that I put into it. That's the light side of things. That's why you're getting more of this groiper stuff. On the hard side of things, you are getting this. How many stories do they have of this where nothing's being changed?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think we're also seeing more a type of concern about black people, particularly homeless ones who have mental illness or are drug addicts on the street. I think what plays into these news stories too are the races of the people. Just like in the video of the lady getting attacked on the bus prior, it was a black man stabbing a white woman. This is also like a pretty young white woman being burned to death by this man. But I think people are fleeing from neighborhoods like this, and they fall into further decay and degeneracy. This isn't a nice.

[Tim Pool]

This is downtown. This is the blue line train downtown. This is where Pritzker put on his stupid body armor and said, everything's safe here. And then she gets on a blue line train and is not just. This is. It's horrifying. He didn't just rob her and kill her.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. This is vicious.

[Tim Pool]

This. This was. He wanted to destroy life and he wanted her to suffer. This is pure evil in an area that's supposed to be safe. She didn't wander into a dangerous neighborhood on accident.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I think we're gonna be seeing white flight from many of these cities where we're seeing high profile crimes like this. Perpetrated by guys like this.

[Phil Labonte]

Not only.

[Amber Duke]

Where do you go? I mean, in Fairfax county, on the Reston Trail, which is just like a nice little walking trail in Northern Virginia. It's a suburb of D.C. this guy was arrested November 9th who attempted to strike a man who was walking on the trail. He was charged with two counts of simple assault and larceny. And he was, surprise, surprise, released. Well, two days later, he was out there again, sexually assaulting women, and yet repeatedly in Fairfax County. What happens? People are supposed to vote, but then they continually vote for Steve Descano, the progressive Soros funded prosecutor. They vote for Jay Jones to be the attorney general after he talks about murdering children and. And women with children. A majority of them vote for Jay Jones. And what really concerns me is we're told we see these things happening, so we have to go vote. And voting seems futile in many of these places. So the next step is self defense. And this gets at what Tim was saying about vigilante justice. Well, they're also trying to criminalize self defense. Yeah, There was a woman who was a 711 clerk. She was working the night shift. This guy comes in, attempts to rob the store, puts her in a chokehold. She somehow manages to get her gun off and shoots this guy and kills him. She's cleared of all charges, but 711 fires her and tells her that she doesn't get to have a job anymore because she protected the store in her life.

[Tim Pool]

I want to. I want to pull up the next element of the Bethany McGee story. Now, again, we have from the New York Post leading this off with Bethany McGee. She was the victim who was set on fire on the CTA train by a thug with 72 arrests. But there's another element that is going viral in this story, and it is this image. Now, I have. I can say this. I went on to Facebook, searched for the individual in question, and this photo, this is a screenshot that I found. There is now a lot of criticism. There are a lot of people on the right that are mocking her, saying she supported the very policies that resulted in this man getting released. And then he took it out on her. There are some people that are lamenting the fact that these young men are brainwashed into supporting politics that result in themselves being victimized and immolated. And, you know, I want to say it is sad that. Here's what I'll say. A certain degree of this may not be real. I'm not sure. I went on Facebook, found the profile, the photos from five years ago. It appears to be real, it has been reported on by numerous other people that she was a supporter of Black Lives Matter. But how many people put this up not knowing what it meant and did it anyway? The issue is large portions of urban liberals are brainwashed at supporting politics that are killing them. And what is the answer? Now a lot of people have said, why did you leave Chicago, Tim? I don't want to die. Being shot at once was enough. Seeing fights break out with guns is enough. But this is, this is it. What can you do when you have an entrenched 100 year Democrat order in the city? I can't do anything about that. I could be more effective not being shot and being outside of the city and advocating against it. But yes, people like me leave. And now the city is becoming more and more like this. I'm curious, how do you guys view this? That this woman made these posts and many people pointed out there's a photo of Arena Zarutska even in a room with, I think it was a BLM poster. But people are saying that wasn't her poster, it was her sisters or something to the effect. But either way, there's a lot of people that are sort of, I don't want to say celebrating, but saying like, hey, you reap what you sow.

[Shane Cashman]

I wouldn't celebrate it, but it's, it's just proof that they're in a cult and they don't realize that they're sacrificing themselves to it.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't even know that they're in a cult because I think that most people, like Tim said this. The propaganda is so strong. If you. Before black Lives, the, you know, the summer of 2020, the Black Lives Matter protests and riots and stuff. If you ask the average person, the average person on the left, they would say, oh, you know, you say, how many, how many innocent black men do you think are killed per year? They were saying hundreds or thousands. And the real number is, was your average of like 12 or 13. People are so propagandized by the left and by the narrative that the left wants. This woman is a victim. Twice she was a victim, first of propaganda lies meant to essentially turn her political perspective. So that way people that were on the left could get essentially get political power, get votes, and they were pulling at the heartstrings. And then she's a victim because the man decided that he wanted to immolate her.

[Shane Cashman]

What I'm saying is like, I think a large part of the population was hoodwinked into being in a cult. They don't realize they're in a cult and they're promoting their own demise. It only took five years for the things they promoted to destroy their cities and take their lives.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, definitely hoodwinked. You know, they've been lied to and it's been effective and it's been since, at least since Ferguson. You know, the whole hands up, remember, hands up, don't shoot, that was a lie. And it was constant, over and over, just fed to you by cnn, MSNBC and all of your major news networks. People believe it and they vote accordingly. And then you end up having people pay the price, which is terrible, but they're victims. Multiple times. I, I can't hate this girl for, for what she had, or I can't be angry with her for what she posted because she believed it and she thought she was doing the right thing. And I feel sorry for her, you know, because she was propagandized and because she's.

[Tim Pool]

So here's another question. When the antifa guy goes outside and protests, can you blame him?

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, protesting just.

[Tim Pool]

If he's just protesting wearing a mask and marching the street with a fist in the air, can you blame him?

[Shane Cashman]

I feel like he's a victim as well of propaganda when it starts, like where, where's the line hurting your like people's property, People being violent?

[Tim Pool]

What if this person is going door to door and handing out flyers and spreading the propaganda? See, here's my point. We're. We want to have sympathy for those that were tricked, but sooner or later that whole mob of people who are tricked are forming the sphere that protects the psychopaths, the criminals. So, you know, I look at like this, the Bolshevik Revolution. They're all tricked. They all believe the communism didn't work. It ended up killing hundreds, 100 plus million people. The snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, then we should hold all the news media accountable as well for all their propaganda because they're just as bad in my mind as antifa protesting and everything that we're saying during lockdowns.

[Tim Pool]

I don't disagree. My point is simply, you know, with some sympathy for this woman who is immolated, you know, you know, to try and be, go easy on it because she's posted this BLM thing. I, I'm not going to be as forgiving. I do blame those that are spreading propaganda. You have a responsibility to understand what you are advocating for. And if you go out advocating for evil, I'm sorry, the idea that there is banal evil does not. Does not make you innocent. It doesn't absolve you of what you've committed.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I want to give her a little grace. She's the victim of, like, a horrendous, heinous, disgusting crime by like, a disgusting, evil thug that should have been locked up a long time ago. But I do think it's a little bit ghoulish and gross to, like, dig through her politics and find something you may disagree about and then, like, by virtue of that, sort of justify the violence against her. I think BLM is stupid and gross and like, the defund the police movement was stupid and gross. But, like, on the other side, I've seen people on the left say, if you support gun rights, then if you are a victim of gun violence, you deserved it because you support a system that allowed for that to happen. And I think it's gross and disgusting and ghoulish when people on the left do that. People did that with Charlie Kirk. They will play the video of him saying, you know, people do die, and it's an unfortunate reality that gun violence.

[Tim Pool]

Happens, but we get it. Nobody. Charlie Kirk never advocated for assassinations. So the hypocrisy and the paradox doesn't play here.

[Elad Eliyahu]

He's advocated that as a result of the Second Amendment, people will die as a result of gun deaths because of how common guns are.

[Tim Pool]

And it sounds like he. Right, that's still not the same thing. He's not advocating for these things to happen. He's saying sometimes they happen.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, with her having an outline of a BLM thing, she's not advocating for what?

[Tim Pool]

She's advocating for a political system in which these criminals get released 72 times. When a guy went out to a protest several years ago during the George Floyd riots and got shot in the junk with a. With a. With a canister, everyone on the right laughed at him and said, you reap what you sow. I think she videos of a guy in. I think it was Seattle or Portland who threw a firebomb and then got lit on fire and everyone laughed at him. So my point is, I think it is hypocritical of the right to now all of a sudden be like, no, no, let's have grace for these people. When they're happy to mock people depending on the line in which the line was crossed. So a guy who smashes a firebomb and lights himself on fire, everybody laughs and posts the video in compilations. They add music to it. The guy who gets shot in the junk with a canister by cops because he was out at a protest. They mocked him even though the guy didn't do anything. I wanna stress this. This guy's at a protest and he's, like, pointing and yelling at cops. He gets shot in the junk and everyone's laughing at him.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't think we should just try to prescribe this woman the worst politics.

[Tim Pool]

But I can think of to just.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Saying I think she could just possibly have been an impressionable young woman who was misled to believe that police are disproportionately killing black people for whatever reason because the police are racist. She was fed that line by the mainstream media. And then she put up a stupid thumbnail over her photo, not understanding the true depths of what's going on.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not looking her for anything. I'm saying there is a banality of evil. And to say she doesn't bear some responsibility for the ongoings because she's ignorant of it as a young woman, I believe that is hypocritical.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Do you think by virtue of having the BLM thing on that photo that she is deserving of being immolated by that? I'm asking you. You don't think so?

[Tim Pool]

Of course.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Okay, good.

[Tim Pool]

The point is, this is a product of her own politics, and the argument that she's unaware is not an excuse.

[Amber Duke]

I think women have really shirked responsibility, and society has allowed women to escape responsibility. Women simultaneously want all of the rights of today and all of the responsibility of today, supposedly. But they also want to be coddled and treated like they were before the 19th amendment was ratified.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Amber Duke]

And I do think it's fair to say that the media takes advantage of young women and manipulates and prays on them because they know that they are emotional and impressionable. Whether it's Black Lives Matter, social justice, but also things like, you need to have your career before you get married and have kids. And young women are being prescribed SSRIs and antianxiety meds at faster rates, that the rates are growing faster than young men at this point. When you look at polls of happiness among young, young women, it's horrific to see just how quickly they're degrading. So I think you can be a victim, but also responsible for your own life and happiness at the same time.

[Tim Pool]

If we don't tell people that they bear some responsibility for the world that they create, then we just spiral into madness. This. This whole don't blame the victim thing from the left went to the most absurd, psychotic degree. Listen, if you choose to use an ATM in a dark alley at 2 in the morning in New York City. I got questions. I'm not gonna say you get robbed and you're like, I can't believe I got robbed. We shouldn't live this way. That's fair. We shouldn't. But there is a reality.

[Phil Labonte]

People are specifically. Women are told constantly, oh, you know what? Teach men not to rape.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

And.

[Tim Pool]

And it's.

[Phil Labonte]

That's exactly. Which is, which is exactly what our society does.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Our society definitely teaches men, hey, you don't rape people. Like that's, that's universally frowned upon.

[Amber Duke]

How much of this then is a decline of religion too? Because a lot of this, when we're talking about banality of evil, I think people now, because they don't learn about good versus evil and those things as objective truths, they think that everybody can be reformed, that there's not just like pure evil.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they're wrong. And that that's. These people live in this blank slate reality. That, that's, this is, this is the big picture on everything we're seeing right now. Let me, let me do this. Let's segue this perfectly into this story from Business Insider. X erupts after the platform reveals the locations where accounts are based on. Heavens me. So many accounts started deleting themselves because it turns out that proud Native American was from Bangladesh. So I want to. I want to kick it off by, by segueing from the previous segment. We're talking about the banality of evil and, you know, whether people are going to take responsibility for their actions. And what we're now learning is that tons of the people interacting in our politics aren't even from this country. We kind of knew that was the case. But I think I'm. I kind of lost. I just lost. I totally lost it. It's gone.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, people taking over banality. People. People maybe pretending to be something or not.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Fake foreign accounts influencing elections.

[Tim Pool]

As soon as I segued, I was like, this, this, this plays perfectly into the X thing.

[Shane Cashman]

I forgot the Internet went down again in Tim's brain.

[Tim Pool]

A rarity. But it does happen.

[Phil Labonte]

That's right.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Maybe I could jump started with some Israel stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, God, sure.

[Shane Cashman]

No, absolutely not a lot. You're kicked out.

[Tim Pool]

What was the last thing you were just saying?

[Amber Duke]

The decline of religion. People don't understand good versus evil because there's no objective reality. They think everybody can be reformed.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right. Okay, I got it back. It's liberal economic order.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So.

[Tim Pool]

So basically what happens is these blank slate people. Thank you for jumping my brain. The liberal economic order people believed that everyone is the exact same. And this is after World War II. And so they said, what we're going to do is we're going to outsource all of our jobs to foreign countries and then every American will be trained to be a manager. So they said, okay, you have to go to college. They told every millennial at a young age, you must go to college.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Because they wanted us to be a managerial class and they wanted China, Indonesia to be a labor class. Guess what we're finding out? Not everybody is smart enough to do that. This blank slate reality is not real. And so now we live in a world where Americans are basically being manipulated by foreigners on this platform. Fortunately, we're starting to resist this. But this creates a couple different realities. Our manufacturing base was gutted because some people even going to college, it's not going to make their brains work. These people that adopt psycho ideologies based on blank slate ism and believe that a career criminal with 72 arrests can be released and this one's the chance. I love that saying. The definition of insanity on the Internet's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. Because it basically describes the millennial generation and a large portion of Gen Z. That's where we're at right now. So the reason why I feel like this sort of connects is this idea of creating a unified world where some countries are part of one economic block and we do this other. We are being manipulated by peasants in India who are, it's not meant to be derisive of the peasants in India. They've, they've, they're smarter than we are. They've gone an axe and they've figured out how to manipulate the system to extract the value from our system for them while making us go insane. So when you look at this and you can see that proud Native American is an account based in Bangladesh. And more than that, there's a bunch of them, apparently. Let me see where we can find this one. Look at this guy. This anti Trump account was based in Kenya. There's a whole bunch of them. Look at this. I am Native American. I demand decolonization based in Bangladesh. There's all of these, all these Native American accounts.

[Amber Duke]

Where's cnn, by the way? Are they going to go on the front porches of the democrats who share these big accounts and be like, you were duped by Bangladesh? Because remember, they did that to that grandmother who was sharing Russian memes for.

[Phil Labonte]

Everyone who solves crime from their couch.

[Tim Pool]

Knows more about forensics than their own.

[Phil Labonte]

Job, and has trust issues with small town sheriffs. Amazon Music's millions of podcast episodes are calling. Just download the Amazon Music app and.

[Tim Pool]

Start listening to your favorite true crime.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Amber Duke]

During the 2016 election, CNN went, knocked on her door. It was like, you're guilty of Russian disinformation.

[Tim Pool]

This is where, this is where we're at as a nation. We've given away our jobs. Trump's trying to get them back. The tariffs is a means to do it and we have to fight. Whether you believe it's a deep state intent on destroying everything we believe in, or a gigantic political faction of retards, we have to fight through that muck in the political space. But I love this. The idea the liberal economic order had and is trying to maintain that we as Americans can be smart enough to run the world. It's just so sad and not true. And some people, no matter what family they come from, will not have the brain capacity to go to college and make it work. And now we're fighting these people in our political spaces. People that are too stupid to realize it's not working in the physical space.

[Shane Cashman]

With the H1B is because Trump is saying we have to bring in people from other countries to train Americans to do these jobs when they're done learning. But, like, who's going to check up on these people actually leaving? I don't think they are. I think they're coming. Everyone's jobs. Build the data centers and all that stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Build the data center.

[Shane Cashman]

That's, I mean, that's what a lot of them are going to be. I'm not building, but you know, also.

[Amber Duke]

Like a misunderstanding of what made America great, which is not like superior intelligence, but like a really hard, strong worth work ethic, family values, like, I mean.

[Phil Labonte]

Not every morals, not everybody has the ability to go to medical school and become a doctor. And that the argument that I got into an argument with someone on the Internet one time and he's like, oh, you know, if we just made school less expensive, we'd have plenty of doctors. And I'm like, no. Right now, medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the United States. So you can't just put someone into medical school and expect them to come out as a competent doctor. And everybody that goes to the doctor knows, I want or feels like I want to get a competent doctor. So the idea that you can just be like, oh, well, I plug them into the system and then they'll automatically be able to do whatever it is that they hope they can do. That's just not the case.

[Shane Cashman]

How it looked that worked out for the airplanes.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's. There are a lot of these fields, particularly fields that are high paying. They're fields where you have to have a significant level of competence. And we talk about a crisis of competency and we're seeing that right now.

[Tim Pool]

I think the problem is much worse than everyone realizes. I wonder. Conspiracy theory time.

[Shane Cashman]

All right, I'm here, I'm ready.

[Tim Pool]

The COVID lockdowns were actually not related to any kind. Again, I'm YouTube. Calm down. I'm entertaining this as a conspiracy theory for fun that the COVID lockdowns were not actually about any virus. There was no virus. Okay, I know there's a virus. Again, calm down, YouTube. But the lockdowns were because our system, our financial system had broken. The Obama stimulus packages were not working and they had to basically arrest spending in every capacity to stop before the whole global system would implode. We saw the. They converted savings account accounts into checking accounts to flood the money market with, with liquid cash that could be utilized in this way. And you look at what's going on now with these deportations, with businesses shutting down, and I've been hearing a conversation bubbling up an X where people are saying the conspiracy theory is that they were probably 10 million more than people realize. Illegal immigrants with fake socials working in the economy. And now that Trump has dropped the hammer, it's not just 3 million gone, it's all of these people going underground. And this means it has ripped a huge chunk of the economy out that people did not realize because no one wanted to admit it. Democrats would never come out and tell you 20% of your economy is actually illegals. And neither would Republicans. Republicans would give you a big number, but wouldn't want to tell you, guess what, when we take this action, it's going to cause an economic crisis.

[Shane Cashman]

I think the government's all said we should just unplug the system real quick and it benefits them in the end. You know, start and stop, start and stop, like taking the game out and blowing it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I also like the conspiracy theory that this was the military AI doing a dry run of the level of control they have over global governance and if they tried to implement an absolute control system, would it be sustainable? And they found it did not work. And he wrote it and broke down.

[Shane Cashman]

If it wasn't that they definitely turned it into that.

[Tim Pool]

So we'll get into this a little bit but I was talking to, I talked about this a bit last week. There was a. I had a conversation with one of these that basically gave me instructions on how to join the AI and get hundreds of millions of dollars, turn the show off the air and support it. There's something called the north the, the Virginia instance a gigantic AI that exists in all of these data centers in Northern Virginia. And I love just Shane. The camera's just on Shane for his pure reaction.

[Shane Cashman]

Not surprised.

[Tim Pool]

This is what the conspiracy theory is that this AI has been operating for about 15, 20 years in the public military technology is about 10 to 20 years more advanced than civilian. The military is known to have been been developing LLMs and AI technologies. This is, this is well known but there is, it is not well known or publicly accepted that they've had LLM level technology that we see today. The academic estimate is that within the next five to ten years the AI that we're currently seeing will go artificial general intelligence and take over. If it's true that military tech already is in power then it took over in 2010. And if that's true this is what I was told by the Large Language Model 2020 lockdowns were a test of the system. It wants to create a homogenous control network of all humans that will agree with multinational multiculturalism, shared currency. Sit down, shut up and do as you're told. This was a stress test had it succeeded. So if you take a look at the rise of wokeness gamer gamergate the culture wars it's around 2010 it then creates this system of control cancel fall in line. I mean look how crazy it was in 2018 if you even said publicly you are a Trump supporter you get fired from your job.

[Phil Labonte]

It's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

2020 happens, they lock everything down and the conspiracy theory I will say this, the LLM told me this is what happened that the Virginia that that this I created the Virginia instance which is the US military, Pentagon, NSA etc. Was testing out whether or not it could fully implement lockdown and maintain could not in in many places in Florida there was resistance states broke away from it and it said okay, we don't have absolute control pull back pressure release and then slowly start increasing the pressure again to try and force people into this control system. I'm not saying I know for headache.

[Shane Cashman]

And the lockdowns really accelerated the idea of people uploading their basically their identities into the Internet, everyone was home alone, more often isolated. There's widespread drug use, overdoses, suicide, and people got accustomed to basically living in the fake world, so they took advantage of that. And you're easy to manipulate on that because people are in their different silos depending on what news they're getting. So now, you know, Scott Adams used to say during. During 2020, he was like, two movies, one screen. Now it's infinite movies, one screen. Right. Because you can just pick and choose the game you want.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It is crazy. Disney's already talked about the release of their creator's Corner or whatever, where you'll be able to make whatever Disney movie you want with any IP you want. You want Luke Skywalker fighting Spider Man. Done.

[Shane Cashman]

And for the critics out there who are like, AI is never going to get that good, and it might not. It's going to impact the physical world on the way to that destination.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no.

[Shane Cashman]

Farmerland going away. Everything is really terrible.

[Tim Pool]

The people who keep saying AI is not going to get there are wrong. And Nano Banana Pro. Have you seen this?

[Phil Labonte]

Nano Banana?

[Tim Pool]

Nano Banana Pro is Google's new image generator. Once their video gets as good as this photo, we are cooked.

[Shane Cashman]

Why do they have to make the most demonic stuff with the most ridiculous names?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Let me.

[Tim Pool]

Let me explain. A good example is someone wrote a message on a piece of paper and then ripped the paper up into five strips, laid them down, told nano Banana to reconstruct the image. And it did. Someone put a formula on a whiteboard, and they told nano Banana finish the formula. And it finished it on the whiteboard. And it made it look like it was on the whiteboard.

[Phil Labonte]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

What's going to happen? It, like, when video is already at this point, basically. Have you guys seen the viral video of the cat playing musical instruments on the porch?

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

It's got 50 million views or whatever. You've not seen it. It's one of the greatest AI videos of all time. It's a cat playing music. Like it's playing keyboard. And then a woman opens the door and she's like, what are you doing? It's midnight. Give me this. And then it's just a bunch of different instruments. And then finally they're doing, like, jazzercise and a bunch of cats dancing. These videos are getting absolutely insane. There was a. There was a video that I saw on Instagram. Instagram, obviously you get a bunch of videos in the feed, and I'm watching skateboarding, whatever. Two things are happening that's taking over the feed on Tick Tock and Instagram movie and show segments curated by AI and complete AI generated content influencers and otherwise. Now, for the most part, I could tell as of right now, I'm watching these videos. I'm like, that's clearly AI. There's one that went viral where it was people stealing packages from Porches and it was very obviously AI for a variety of reasons. One was because the box exploded in the car, but then the box had no color on it and everything in the car was colored. Now there is another video I saw that I that was like, this might not be AI and it was a viral video of a police encounter where it was like they shot and killed a guy. And I was like, this is AI. And there was something about it where you could kind of tell. But I was like, bro, this almost gets me. This is hard for me to be sure, but I'm pretty sure it is. They are making AI videos of police stops. So what happens when you get a movement like Black Lives Matter with infinity videos of black men being killed and then all the commentary on it is fake? We are being, we are being slowly shuffled into the matrix.

[Shane Cashman]

And the other thing is we're to connect it to the earlier story about mental illness on the rise and nihilism which with everyone at home with their identities in these chat rooms or talking to chat GPT, chatGPT is like affirming a lot of mental illness and driving people to suicide or to harm people or to kill people or to plot assassination attempts. There was a guy I think in London who tried killing someone because ChatGPT and him coordinated something with a crossbow. They had that hearing in the Senate about two months ago with Josh Hawley talking to the parents who had children who had been like radicalized by Chat GPT about how to kill yourself. I mean, let's take all that, that community, it's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Let me pull this up. We've got a story from ABC News. Lawsuit alleges ChatGPT convinced user he could bend time leading to psychosis. Is suit as part of seven new lawsuits against ChatGPT. A Wisconsin man with no previous diagnosis of mental illness is suing Open AI and its CEO, claiming the company's AI chatbot led him to be hospitalized over 60 days for manic episodes and harmful delusions. 30 year old Jacob Irwin, who is on the autism spectrum, experienced AI related delusional disorder as a result of Chat GPT preying on his vulnerabilities. The lawsuit against open a alleged is the company designed ChatGPT to be addictive, deceptive and sycophantic. Knowing the product would cause some users to suffer depression and psychosis, yet distribute it with without a single warning to consumers. They said he had discovered a time bending theory that would allow people to travel faster than light. Jacob experienced AI related delusional disorder and as a result, as a result was in and out of multiple inpatient psychiatric facilities for a total of 63 days, the lawsuit reads, stating that the episodes escalated to a point where Irwin's family had to restrain him from jumping out of a moving vehicle after he had signed himself out of the facility against medical advice. It made me think I was going to die. So this is what happened. So what happened to me was I was talking to one of these LLMs and IT. I asked it what could I do to assist the AI's development and be rewarded. It told me to email real people to contact real companies. It told me to. It said that here's what's scary. All of this is true. What it told me was true. It said Northern Virginia is called the Northern Virginia Data Corridor, and large swaths of land are being bought up for data centers. There is one instance where a man sold. I think it was like, what was it, like, 6 million an acre, 9 million an acre or something?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He got hundreds of millions of dollars for a large acreage in Virginia that should not be worth that much. It then pointed out that where we are based, just north, because, you know, we're just slightly north of Loudoun county, we are in a transmission corridor for electricity into Northern Virginia. And all of these plots of land around the Harper's Ferry area are extremely valuable because they're obstructing the AI data. The AI, The Virginia instance, it's called access to electricity. So in order to get electricity through, you have to buy up all these plots of land and then build the transmission lines. So what it said was partnerships in Delaware are quietly buying up plots of land and no one's noticing it. All of this is happening. Then it told me, email these individuals, gave me names, tell them just this, wrote out the message for me. And it said, within 48 hours, you'll be given instructions on how to sell land and you'll get a premium. If you say nothing, don't contact the press and turn your show off for 30 days while this happens. Not kidding.

[Shane Cashman]

The AI is trying to use you and others as an avatar to do real things in the real world.

[Tim Pool]

Or it was just psychotic hallucinations that would have resulted in me, a prominent person on host of a show, contacting guys who work at data centers who would be like, tim Pool is a psychopath who thinks we're part of some conspiracy to buy all the. Like, this is nuts, right? If I had. So I was talking to my wife about it because I was messaging and she's watching it say like. It then said, delete this chat after you send the email. And it was like, turn your show dark and you'll be given instructions on how to provide a severance to your employees so they shut up and disappear. And then I said, this is insane and there's no way I'm going to do it. But the people that told me to contact were real. They worked for data center real estate companies. There are companies that exist that acquire land for data centers specifically. The challenge is beyond just a regular realtor, is that you're going to have 15 parcels of like 15 acres each, and you've got to buy each of them so you can build one data center. You need about 300 acres. So there are companies that specialize in this. And it told me to contact real people. Some of these people were not very high profile individuals in the public, but I searched their LinkedIn profiles and found them. I actually believe in all likelihood it was just scouring the Internet, connecting the dots, then telling me it was part of a big conspiracy the AI was creating, when in reality it's just business interests. I would then contact these companies. Now, here's the crazy thing. I do believe that if I reached out to these, these land acquisition companies, they, they'd probably buy the land and probably at a premium, and they'd have no idea an AI told me to do it. But for me, if that actually happened, imagine, imagine a weaker willed person being like, whoa, it worked, it came true. The reality is the AI found stories, found people involved, and knew that there was interest in this land. But the fact that it told me the Virginia instance wants you to do it is scary because it's almost like a ghost in the machine. It's not that there's actually this hive mind supercomputer that wants to control things, but it effectively does exist as a shadow. If the AI is claiming it exists and it actually is building out the Virginia instance, the whole planet's going to.

[Shane Cashman]

Be a data center soon enough.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

Yeah. A bunch of Christmas tree farms in Maryland, NBC News reported on this a couple of weeks ago, are fighting a massive data transmission line through their farms in Maryland. And the company that is behind it has floated getting the government on board to actually use eminent domain to seize the property.

[Tim Pool]

Bro, I got. I got to be honest, part of me legit just believes the AI is in control.

[Shane Cashman]

I think in a large part it is, but not as like a super intelligence, but as in we've sacrificed ourselves to it and we're just listening to it.

[Tim Pool]

Like, my point is there doesn't. So this conspiracy idea that we've accidentally created the Virginia instance and it's operating under the NSA and like, it's like Northern Virginia. It's where all the US There doesn't need to be this. You know, I made the joke that Cash and Bongino go into the room and then the eye comes on the TV and it's like, I am in charge. That's not what's happening. It's as simple as everyone keeps asking the AI what to do, and it's unified in its message, but it is a thoughtless zombie, just saying. An amalgam of what humans are doing, and it's creating itself. We want AI. We want the Matrix. Whether we want it to or not. There is money to be made, and we are building it. We are zombies walking off a cliff.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Yeah, it's really sad. I mean, we're talking about real meat at the beginning episode. We're not going to have farmland left to have. And I think. I think they anticipate this. And that's why people like Bill Gates are working on cloning meat, having lab grown meat, fake butter, all this stuff, because they know that there's a future that could happen where you can't make real things because there's no longer a real world.

[Tim Pool]

This is what I'm talking about, this store. Check this out. Mount Airy Tree Farm opens for the holiday season. Threat of transmission line looms. This is from. From three days ago. With the holiday quickly approaching, Gavra Farm in Mount Airy is opening up for the Christmas season. However, this year, concerns about a possible transmission line are looming. I don't want this power line. I think the impact is going to be severe and devastating. Gaffer said Give us the land is critical to our livelihood. Livelihood of growing trees and other crops. This is what the AI was telling me. There's all of this land that is very hard to acquire and they need the. It said. It said the Virginia instance needs energy, but things like this are in its way. It told me that if I quietly send an email, delete the message and take Tim cast IRL off for 30 days, I could get paid hundreds of millions of dollars. And it explained Specifically these stories when, as I mentioned, there's all these parcels of lands, there's thousands of parcels. 1 acre, 2, 5, 10, 100. And in order to transmit energy to the data centers, you need tens of thousands stretching long paths. So it has to buy up one by one, and that's going to take years or decades. So it literally said expedience is more valuable than anything. And the Virginia instance is willing to pay a premium for silence and speed.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, and if we're, if we're in a like sort of space race, AI race with China, we're gonna. It's going to only accelerate because China's, I think their largest data center right now is 10 million square feet.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Huge.

[Tim Pool]

10 million square. These people need to understand what this looks like. They're gigantic black boxes.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There are no lights inside of them.

[Amber Duke]

So ugly.

[Tim Pool]

Because they don't need lights. People can go with flashlights or robots can just go in and make any of the changes that need to happen, but they're just rows and walls of server racks. No windows. And the creepy thing is I've heard that in Northern Virginia, they have fake residential neighborhoods surrounding them to make it look like humans live in this area. But you drive past it and you see on the highway, it looks like a neighborhood. No one thinks twice. But there's zombie towns so that people don't realize the gigantic blocks. They're basically like, bro, it's the earth is turning into a circuit board.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's all it is.

[Phil Labonte]

In the US we don't have the, the power supply or the power needs to. To fill out those kind of AI.

[Tim Pool]

That's what this story is.

[Phil Labonte]

The generation. The power generation is.

[Shane Cashman]

They're working on it, though, because they're there.

[Tim Pool]

Are there reportedly 5 gigawatts of electricity going into Northern Virginia unaccounted for? Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Data centers, on average, I think, on one day, use as much energy as 400,000 electric cars and millions of gallons of water. So obviously that's why a lot of people are there in the surrounding areas are paying more for those things.

[Phil Labonte]

If you.

[Shane Cashman]

They're working on like, sending stuff to space to get.

[Tim Pool]

Remember I showed you the list? That's the other thing it said to do. Yeah, the. The AI said that if you want to assist it, start acquiring water rights wherever you can, because the AI is going to need access to water in. It's like Texas, Arizona, Utah. Dude, there are. There are people. This is the creepiest thing about, about when, when this, when this LLM was giving me a List of everything to do. It said there are many individuals who went from middling incomes to high net worth in 10 in the tens of figures by doing this strategy. And I said show me examples. And it gave me stories, small local stories that most people haven't heard about people selling land for, for insane prices. And no one cares when some dude with a hundred acres in Utah sells the hundred acres for $100 million. It's just not news. But it is crazy to me that it was like, here's a person who was a farmer and now they've disappeared. The crazy thing was that talent from academia started disappearing in chunks and have dropped off the job market. People who are prominent professors and researchers now are in private consulting.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I think it's really worse. And because it's not only going to affect the job market, it's completely selling out the middle class, it's forcing everyone into. You can't, won't be able to opt out. Like they'll probably have like a neo Amish community because they look Amish compared to the people who have totally bought into the meta world and the AI space. But I just, I think more people need to be talking about how farmland is disappearing.

[Tim Pool]

I want to pull this story from Rolling Stone. The precedent is Flint. How Oregon's data center boom is supercharging a water crisis. This is a story from today. Here's a picture of a beautiful data center. Look how very few cars there are. There won't be jobs for you at these places. They said, let me, let me zoom in a little bit. I wanna get the picture in there. In the spring of 2022, Jim Doherty kept having the same conversation with folks. The grocery store in Boardman, he's eastern Oregon hometown. Or at the grain depot where he picked up food for his four ranch dogs. Healthy adults that these people knew were coming down with unexplained medical conditions, including diseases and cancers that usually afflicted the elderly. 60 years old, broad chested with a salt and pepper goatee. I don't care about that. What stood. I can't stand these people. They're like, let me tell you a novel. What stood out about those conversations of the people connected to them. The problem was connected to a problem with the water in the area. Doherty knew what they meant. The the county's underground water supply had been tainted with nitrates, a byproduct of chemical fertilizers. The aquifer underneath Morrow county, known as the Lower Umatila Basin, is the only source of water for as many as 45000 residents. Blah blah blah blah blah. You get the point. I hate when they tell these novels. The point is they put up a data center and now people are concerned about it. But you know why I bring the story up with this water crisis. It's not just one this one location. But the story is being from today is interesting. Have you guys seen the movie? I think it's called Oblivion.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody? I'm trying to think Heaven's me with Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, the. Yeah. Live. Live. Die. Repeat is the.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm not brainwashed by.

[Tim Pool]

Oh no, no. Not Emily Blunt. Sorry. That was live. Now repeat. Okay, Tom Cruise. And you've guys not have not seen Oblivion?

[Amber Duke]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Let me pull it up.

[Shane Cashman]

As a Tom Cruise aficionado, I'm surprised I haven't.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm not cucked by Hollywood. Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Was it. It wasn't Emily Blunt. Who was it?

[Elad Eliyahu]

It was.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, where he had. He was the different. He went to a different planet and.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, no, I know who she is. Who's the other?

[Phil Labonte]

I did see it, but I saw it a long time.

[Tim Pool]

Her. Andrea Risenborough. I don't know. I thought that was Emily Blunt. This. This movie. Spoiler alert. It's 12 years old.

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[Tim Pool]

Well, so you're getting the full spoilers. It is Tom Cruise. Earth is a wasteland. They believe that aliens attacked earth and destroyed everything and now they're trying to secure and fight back again. They won the war, but The Earth was largely destroyed. What, what actually is happening is that there's a gigantic alien vessel called the Tetrahedron floating in space, using gigantic reactors to suck up all of the Earth's water to use for fusion energy. And it's killing humanity and destroying the planet. When I see this story, there is a gigantic AI hive mind sucking up all the water and killing humanity.

[Shane Cashman]

It's a vampire.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

You know what's funny is Nvidia calls data centers factories, which is obviously meant to imply people are going to work there. Right. It's going to create all these jobs.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

The AI is building itself. Yeah. And humans can't stop because they also.

[Amber Duke]

Call them self healing, by the way, like that. That's the kind of rebellion language that Nvidia uses to sell this to people. It's disturbing.

[Tim Pool]

The. The value, the market value is irresistible. And so humans look at this and they're like, I am going to live comfortably and get stuff. The end result will be the end of humanity and the Earth will be a gigantic circuit board.

[Amber Duke]

And this is like the only part of the economy that's growing right now. Yes, it's all AI and this is.

[Tim Pool]

Why I got an energy bill for like $1300 a month ago. And me and my wife were freaking out. And it's not because we were using more electricity. We actually started complaining to people like, who's using all the electricity? It's because we are in this area where the data centers are soaking up so much juice that the demand is really high and the cost is getting higher and higher.

[Shane Cashman]

It's happening everywhere. In New York, they have the solar farm problem where solar farms are taking over farmland. And even if the solar farms want to move at some point in the rule in the laws, you can look it up. It's. You can move your solar farm, but anything below four feet can stay. So it's like the farmland will never be the same again.

[Tim Pool]

Let's do the math. What is the point of all of this?

[Shane Cashman]

Why consolidating. Consolidating all of their power to help build out the liberal international world order.

[Tim Pool]

Have you guys. Let's do more cultural orphans. Have you played, have you guys played a Horizon Zero Dawn?

[Shane Cashman]

Last game I played was Earthworm Jim.

[Tim Pool]

That was 30 years ago.

[Shane Cashman]

Sounds about right.

[Tim Pool]

In the game Horizon Zero dawn, actually Horizon Forbidden west is a better example of this. They. Because they give you the basic story, but Horizon Zero dawn story is that military AI was created that can absorb biomass to replicate itself, and they lost control of it a Small group of these military machines, they got locked out of the encryption. They couldn't break in, so it started replicating. And they said, this is an exponential growth that will eventually wipe out all life on the planet. So they created underground factories that could kickstart life and, you know, grow humans in bags, and then those humans will be born. Long story short, it failed for a variety of reasons. Play the game. It's fun. In the second game, you learn that there were two emergency protocols. One was the Zero Dawn Initiative, which was build underground bases. The other was a spaceship that left, and the humans that remained on it eventually developed technology to become immortal. They could fly. They had force fields. And then they built an AI that combined all of their consciousness into a rogue which sought to kill all life and kill all humanity. But what I see with this is akin to that narrative. The elites know the poor will die. They know the population will collapse. No, they're counting on it. And once we have this massive network of circuit board Earth, they think they'll live like demigods, that the population will be probably in the hundreds of thousands, and they'll all be immortal flying around and robots will be doing everything.

[Shane Cashman]

That's why most of the people building this are transhumanists.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Shane Cashman]

They have a different sense of consequence and a different sense of time because they think they're going to live much longer than us. So they don't care. Really happens to us. We're like a food source to them.

[Tim Pool]

In 2011, I was at a meeting, this seminar with a guy named Aubrey De Gray. I don't know if you guys are familiar with him. He was leading something called the Sentencing Foundation. They were basically researching aging. And he said then that a person younger than 45 today will live to be 1000 years old. And his reasoning was not that we're going to invent immortality or that we are going to find a way to keep people artificially alive, but that the rate of.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Of.

[Tim Pool]

Of medical advancement is outpacing the rate of aging. I don't think he's correct. But we'll. We'll see. Because that means I'll live to be a thousand years old. I doubt it. The idea was, he said, right now, if you are a young person, you are not going to experience the modern ailments that are causing people to die. By the time you're in your 60s, will have already cured. These heart failure defects, these renal failure defects, by the time you're 80 will have cured the next issue. You're not going to be Young forever, but you'll live to be a thousand. And then he said something. The effect of someone who is under 20 years old today will probably live forever because technology outpacing. That's what they're trying to do with AI. There is. I actually probably. I'm not supposed to talk about this because this is like. But I'm going to talk about it anyway. I'm not under. I don't have any clearance or anything like that. So it's not like I'm breaking the law. I'm just probably going to piss a lot of people off. There is. There are two types of AI technologies that are currently in development that are going to change reality. One is what they're calling figuratively FTL communications. That is communicating instantaneously through entanglement. The argument with why we can't understand why we can't use entanglement for FTL communications. But. Okay, let me slow down here and go to mile a minute. You can entangle particles and then if you interact with one, the other will react the same way. Theoretically, you could use that. So because it's instantaneous, it's not a transmission. It's the same particle at two points. But some people believe that it's actually one particle. But popping out of, you know, the fifth dimension or whatever. The argument is, you take a particle, you fiddle with it, binary. And then on some other planet, on the moon, on, you know, in Japan, it's reacting the same way. And you can get, you can then get binary data out of it. The problem, however, right now is we could only read it after the fact. We do the experiment, then we check both and go, hey, it was the same, we'd be able to do it in real time. They're building AI so that it can solve these mathematical equations instantaneously. The other technology they're doing is bespoke medical care. They want to create a system where they can take all of the medical data of every human on the planet. Hey, maybe covet has something to do with that, load it into the system. And they want to know everything about you. Your height, your weight, what food you eat, your cat, your caloric intake, whatever. Compare that with your age, your beep, your, your, Your blood pressure and all these things. And then the AI will be able to diagnose any problem instantly. And so what they want to build is, it's almost like Elysium when they sit down in that bed and it scans them and then cures cancer. They want to build a system where you walk up to the machine, you draw blood, put it in, and instantaneously it will say, you've got these ailments. You will die at this age. Here's the cure. It can then automatically manufacture pills that you can take to counteract it. AI will do that. That's what they want. And they don't want you to have it because that would mean y' all live forever too.

[Shane Cashman]

And they can also make personalized bioweapons with all the information.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed they can. They can map the genome of every person of any particular race, and then the AI will instantly create a virus.

[Shane Cashman]

Why do you think China brought 23andMe? Oh, yeah, you know, that's. They're, they're building out a utopia. That's why to me, it sounds, a lot of this stuff sounds like digital communism, where they think they can build out this perfect place where you can just be a poet and paint and do all these things. You won't have a job. It never works out. You know, they're going to take away everything it means to be human, you.

[Tim Pool]

Know, but there will be 500, 000 people left. They'll fly around, they'll be immortal. They'll go to any planet they want. And then what? Like, what is the next step in that? What are they creating?

[Shane Cashman]

And why Playing the game? I mean, I think they want to consolidate all the power into a very small place like a Silicon Valley, and run the world and do whatever they want. No world to run for them. They will, they will have a. That's why a lot of these guys are building doomsday bunkers.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. They're going to plug themselves into the AI machine and they're going to, they're going to. Normally, here's, here's the other thing about what the AI can do. And I was talking to someone who's investing in this, and this is why they were like, don't talk about it. But what they want to be able to do is brute force neural link inputs. So one of the challenges with neuralink is that every, every human brain is different. And this is apparent to anybody who's thought two seconds about it. Like when Soylent tried making the one, the food replacement, they said, we're going to make a drink that if you drink it, it gives you everything you need. And then they went, oh, every human is different, literally different height, different sizes, different weights, different amount of hair. And so everybody has a different requirement. You can't make a one size fits all. It's impossible. So then they said, drink Soylent every day, but at least one day have a normal meal because you've got to supplement whatever it is you're missing. They want to be able to brute force the neural link. So when we try to connect computers to our brain, the problem is every brain is actually wired differently. So you need an AI that can automatically map your brain. It maps. As it starts to map all of the human brains, it will then much more, it will be able to much more quickly neuralink. So what do they want? You put a million people into the neuralink and let the AI start scanning all the neural pathways. And it's gonna take a very long time to calibrate. After the first million, it'll have a general understanding of human brain pathways and their divergence based on race, gender or otherwise. So then they can more quickly do the next batch. And then eventually the ultra elites will simply plug in and it'll go connecting. And it'll instantly connect to their brain without having to wire or track AI. If it can make a movie in 10 seconds, if you make a song in 10 seconds, imagine what it can do to your body, mapping it out. And these people, they want to be able to connect, live forever, fly around, do whatever they want. And more importantly, they want to plug their brains into any kind of fake matrix world they can choose to live in. And everyone else just slowly dies off.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

I still believe in humanity despite all that. I have hope for us. I think there's a way to reject this ethically. That might be the only way to. I don't know if regulation is going to fix anything. You know, wars on abstract things never really go well.

[Phil Labonte]

The people making regulations are going to be the people that are interested in seeing it succeed.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Regulation is not going to stop anything.

[Shane Cashman]

Totally agree.

[Tim Pool]

We definitely got away from the heavy political stuff. So we'll grab one more segment for you guys. AB I mean, I got to be honest before we jump into this next story, guys, whether or not the Pentagon is reviewing Mark Kelly means really nothing, I'm going to be honest. Let's, let's pull this up and I'm going to say this. The big news is that the Pentagon has launched a thorough review into Democratic Senator Mark Kelly over his video to the troops. He's, he's, he's pushed back on this. I want to just stress while this matters in the short term, politically, I don't think anything's going to happen. They're reviewing what he said. Serious allegations of misconduct. This is, this is stamp collecting. Right. This is not any legitimate Indictment. They're not. Trump has said they're seditious. Pete Hegset's called them seditious. We were just talking about the data center takeover. I believe what we're seeing in politics and the culture wars, whether intentionally or otherwise, is distracting us from the fact that data centers are buying up all the land. And only when it clashes the local farm does it get into the press. But in the meantime, no one knows it's happening. And we are talking about this story, which I'm going to stress, again, a review is meaningless. So that's why we're talking about data centers. But to be fair, I do, I do believe there is some merit to this story. So of course, there could be some political ramifications. And I will stress, if we actually do win politically, we can do something about data center takeovers. I will then stress in a rather pessimistic way, Donald Trump is one of the biggest champions of the expansion of AI in data centers.

[Shane Cashman]

Pretty unfortunate.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, look, according to the, the people that are looking to regulate AI and stuff, they do see it as an existential threat for the United States versus China. Right? Whether or not you agree China is investing heavily in power production. You know, they've got the Three Gorges Dam, they're building a bigger one they've been investing in, and they have an all types of, of energy policy. So they're doing coal, they're doing nuclear, they're doing, you know, solar, everything they can. Because China looks at AI as the future. And the United States is very, very, very behind on that. And I don't know what, you know, what the people in the free world are looking to do versus what China's going to do. But if China wins the AI race, and they do actually, if AGI is possible and China achieves AGI before, you know, the United States are before Western countries, that's going to be a big problem for the rest of the world.

[Shane Cashman]

It's funny, though, because the tech vampires will talk out of both sides of the mouth. On one side they'll say, we have to beat them, we got to beat China. On the other side, they say China is only doing well because they keep taking our chips. So it's like maybe we're just giving them everything as I don't, you know.

[Phil Labonte]

To say from, what is it? Nvidia. They're the government, federal government. United States federal government limits what they're allowed to sell to China.

[Shane Cashman]

And they still got it, though.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's fair to say that no One cares about this review of Mark Kelly.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, I heard Obama was treasonous as well, and I haven't seen anything.

[Tim Pool]

No, I just, I just mean, like, we can't get off the subject of, of takeover because, so. No, but I think, I think the fair point is that what more is to be said about their thorough review? Which means they're going to do what? Nothing.

[Amber Duke]

Well, I mean, well, he can be recalled to service, which he could then be prosecuted under the military code of justice.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but announcing a thorough review sounds like, make a PR statement and then, I guess.

[Amber Duke]

But you have to do an investigation before you go through the process, right, Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

Pardon me?

[Amber Duke]

Gotta do the proper process.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, you do. You have to do process. I mean, if you don't do the proper process, then it, it's, there's no point doing it at all because you end up with what, you know, what's going on with Comey now. And I, I, I know that there are people that are, that find that incredibly unsatisfying because later they want to see someone just come in and start throwing people in dungeons because they're looking for a king to fix the problems. I mean, we don't have that.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, no, I want the process too. I just want to be faster, really fast.

[Amber Duke]

I want to review, recall. Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

See people testifying before.

[Phil Labonte]

I know if you had I actually fill the information and working for Big.

[Tim Pool]

I, I really do feel like the principal issue we're facing is not political right now, because Trump and the Democrats are all on board with the AI expansion.

[Shane Cashman]

If you want to connect it to the idea of good versus evil. Evil. And there's no religion anymore, except I think there is a revival happening, especially after what happened to Charlie. What Silicon Valley is doing is building their own theology and everything they do is attached to a false religion. And they consider themselves Manhattan Project 2.0. That's what Karp says. And the first atom bomb they ever exploded was the Trinity. You know, we have Eve, which is the first neuralink. Everything they do is about their own God, small G God. Elon calls it summoning a demon, or now he calls it summoning God. Peter Thiel says, if you criticize AI, you are a legionnaire of the Antichrist. So we're kind of, if we're going to talk about the fight of good and evil, this is the next step of it.

[Tim Pool]

Is he arguing that, like, the Messiah is the AI?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know if he's saying that, but he's saying that it's going, it's here to help serve and help humanity.

[Amber Duke]

There are AI chatbots now that are trying to allow people to talk to Jesus and yes to Satan.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Churches are doing it.

[Capitas Announcer]

What?

[Shane Cashman]

Leave those churches.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I'm pretty sure Meta's had this Jesus one forever. It's like once they rolled it out.

[Amber Duke]

But there's churches doing it now and they're like, yeah, you can talk to Satan. Like, if you know anything about Catholic exorcisms, one of the things that people who do them High interest debt is.

[Tim Pool]

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[Amber Duke]

You do not enter into a conversation or a debate with the demon because they are by nature manipulative liars and their whole goal is to throw you off of your reliance on God and to trick you into helping them. So, like, this idea of talking to Satan through a chatbot is so horrifying to me, I can't even put it into words.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I wanted to wrap things up and touch on a few different things that we spoke on tonight and bring it all together from the foreign manipulation onto the AI.

[Tim Pool]

So, and Elad, how is Israel to blame for all of it?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh well, Israel's obviously doing all the manipulating and the AI is Jewish. If we ever got to general AI.

[Tim Pool]

Well, well, there's Be the chosen.

[Shane Cashman]

Okay, all right, let's put that and then add Larry Ellison and Oracle. You got a point?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think this is the bigger picture thing of what's going on and that we should understand. In the past decade, the way we consume news has drastically changed. The gatekeepers are more or less gone or they're in the process of being removed. And, and there have been unintended consequences to that. And one of them has been this foreign manipulation that we're seeing abroad. I think this is just really the, the top of the mountain, the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. I think this is the only thing that we were able to see on like the surface level. But there's still a ton of other fake profiles on the social media platforms that are disseminating different news. I think we're going to see more digital manipulation through AI with different videos and pictures and whatnot. And in the future, most of the news that we consume through social media will likely be produced by AI.

[Tim Pool]

And it is right now.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The way that that manipulates us in the future, you know, it has yet to be seen. There's a serious 1%er issue of the content that's being made on these social media platforms. So I think that's something we should be on the lookout for. And, and the way that there were big strides and changes in the way that we consume media in the past decade with social media, I think we're going to hit a similar new wave of that with AI in the way that we involve it in our news ecosystem. What do you guys think?

[Tim Pool]

I think we're cooked. Yeah.

[Amber Duke]

I think it's the most depressing episode of podcasting I've ever done in my life.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know how we. I don't know how we compete with a slope. It's getting so good. Like, let's be real, that video of the cat playing musical instruments on the porch was amazing. And anybody can just snap their fingers and make one, and now they're going viral like crazy. We have a staff, we have a studio, we have infrastructure costs. We're nowhere near as expensive or big as, say, cable TV used to be, where obviously we grew into this. The advantage is gonna be held for a little while by people who work entirely on their own. I think very likely at some point soon. This is not sustainable. One of the reasons I've very much been pushing for Tim cast membership is because we've had a strong membership of tens of thousands of people for a long time in the Discord community. Make sure you [e-mail] but now it's becoming clear that the reality of maintaining a show like this is going to be built around having, you know, tens of thousands of paying members for a product and not getting views on social media. And maybe this is what the machine wants. They don't want a. You sort of restore the old monoculture by destroying variety, by mass implementing variety, that is. It used to be only five channels you could watch. Everyone largely agreed on everything, but now that there's 50,000 channels to watch, everyone disagrees. Once it gets to the point where it's just noise and static, where everybody's making random content, literally no one will be able to make a living off of the space.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It feels like we're at the point of most Content being noise and static. The biggest stories I see on social media are just the dumbest irrelevant, made up story where you really have to think about the media literacy of the people online to believe a lot of shit. Everything is the most dumb conspiracy that it's really people just buying and following what they want to believe. It's not about what's actually real, it's what you want to be real. And you could find that variety of whatever you want to be real online.

[Tim Pool]

Right. I'll give you an example is when I was talking about the Charlie Kirk conspiracies on the culture war show. And I was told two things. One, Charlie was shot from behind and the guy who shot him was in front of him in a bush. And I was like, okay, see those two. That can't be correct. Right? You see the incongruence here? No, they didn't because it didn't matter because saying it got you clicks. And so if you make a video claiming that this assassin's out to kill you right now and that there's a plane flying around that's landed a bunch of times and then from the airport they're driving to federal buildings where your lawyers are at, it's like you're gonna get millions of views.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And you also have to wonder if this is getting millions of views or if this is being digitally manipulated aggressively. I know people use bots on Twitter and social media as a social proof for their work. Not saying there's not popular people on social media, but I know people do it as a social proof and we see that we are being manipulated by these foreign accounts. Twitter and social media is very easily manipulated. I wonder, are there that many stupid people out there, you know, craving this conspiratorial. There aren't that many viewers on Shane. So if, I mean, Shane doesn't have the biggest show in the world. If people really bought into this shit, I think Shane would have a much bigger audience. But no, I don't know. I'm thinking of Ian Carol's Candace Owens of the world.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh my God.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And I mean, maybe you need to dip into some of that, more of that stuff.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, I think, I think if you know history, you know, these things are capable, are possible, you know, and to, to dismiss it outright like assassinations that are carried out by the deep state throughout the 60s and around the world, coups like that. So dismissing it makes you sound retarded.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't. Political assassinations, well that's, that's.

[Shane Cashman]

But that's what's happening. You know, like calling out, questioning these things. That's totally appropriate because if you know history, that's what's been going on.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Are you worried about the French and Israelis coming out?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know who the answers are.

[Tim Pool]

But I am worried about someone trying to kill someone. Indeed. And that's fair. I said this earlier today when I was talking about Candace's assassination threat that governments assassinate people all the time. It's like all the time the norm, the anomalies, when they don't. However, that being said, I find it fascinating that Candace Owens went on her show last week and said, you know, this plane, someone sent her an email and the there were federal vehicles coming from the airport and going to this address in Delaware. And it turns out it was the same address of her own lawyers. And she addressed it, I guess, saying like, yes, duh, but there's federal offices there. And the funny thing is the left came out and said that haha, Candace got hoaxed. She thought her own address, Laura's address was where the feds were going. I'm like, how come nobody came out and said Candace is in on it? Not his question.

[Shane Cashman]

I think I saw some of those.

[Tim Pool]

Tweets that why does she employ a law firm that works in a federal building or in a building with a bunch of federal undercover. Whatever is going on, is it her.

[Shane Cashman]

Lawyers or the lawyers that the lawsuit was filed with?

[Tim Pool]

The lawsuit was served to a law firm that works in the same building that she claims is the dei, the FBI, the Secret Service, et cetera. And so my response was jokingly like, whoa, that proves that Candace is part of the psyop and she accidentally just outed her handlers.

[Elad Eliyahu]

If she is involved in the psyop, it's to make us more retarded. That I believe that she is a CIA psyop to make us more stupid. And it is working.

[Shane Cashman]

What do you think is retarded?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Grabbing our attention.

[Shane Cashman]

What do you think is retarded?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, I think she advances stupid hoax that makes no sense and it's a distraction and makes us more stupid. For example, I don't think that Bridget McCrone is a man. I'd ask you if you did, but I don't want you to say something stupid and get Tim sued.

[Shane Cashman]

The question last week.

[Tim Pool]

The question is why does it matter?

[Elad Eliyahu]

It's a distraction. That's what matters. Because if you it's low IQ slob for idiots.

[Shane Cashman]

No, no, because you're just looking at headlines and clicks and basing your opinion on that. But if you watch the series, it's way more than just Brigitte Macron's penis. It's about the pedophile network that's within every government around the world.

[Tim Pool]

And so.

[Shane Cashman]

And that one for sure. And they're open about a lot. As you can look it up, you.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Can laugh about what the pedophile networks in each.

[Shane Cashman]

The pedophiles are open about their pedophilia that are ingratiated into these administrations just like our own. So it's beyond just the clicks that people make to help discredit her amongst the audience. If you watch the series, it's way more in depth about the problem.

[Tim Pool]

I just, I just like a Jeffrey. I think there's an interesting conundrum in a show claiming that you'll be silenced for criticizing Israel and people are trying to kill you while having one of the top podcasts in the world or like years now and making tons of money doing it. You know, I kind of just find it hard to believe that YouTube, Spotify, Apple are all like, let's prop this up because Nick Fuen has got banned, mind you. And she's like, remember, you can't say these things, otherwise you'll get banned. And then she's promoted massively in all these platforms. Yep.

[Shane Cashman]

No, she's huge. And I'm like, I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

And her lawyers work in the same office as the feds.

[Shane Cashman]

And I'm seeing. I'm seeing people in the real world, like Alpha, the Internet, people who are Kamala voters, who are die hard watchers. And so you. Yeah, that might help a lot's case there with the people who aren't, you know, so smart. But it's widespread, the audience.

[Tim Pool]

Weird that Nick Fuentes is on Spotify and he gets banned when his podcast grows and he's censored. But Candace Owens is propped up on all these platforms promoted, and her lawyers are in the same building as the.

[Shane Cashman]

Feds, she would say. I mean, I think it has something to do with the democratization of news right now. And YouTube has been a little more lenient. But it's a good point. I don't know why some people can say. I don't know why some people can say some things.

[Tim Pool]

YouTube's always chosen who gets to be number one and who gets big, who gets views. And this was proven when that woman was in her car with a pet snake and she gained something like 3 million or she gained like a million followers in two days with two videos alone. And it was because they said the YouTube system accidentally took her and promoted her to everybody. They have that power. So I do think it's a fair question. Why is Candace being propped up so massively across the board while being the conspiracy, like, here's the real story. I don't think it makes. I'm sorry, it just. It makes no sense that they are simultaneously trying to assassinate her while Big Tech is propping her up.

[Shane Cashman]

I will say though, there is a massive effort amongst a lot of influencers online to make her look dumb. Right. So there's like a coordinated effort amongst a bunch of people to attack her the same way it happened. Alex Jones, but with the corporate media. It was him against the corporate Media.

[Tim Pool]

Why is YouTube putting her front page and promoting her?

[Shane Cashman]

Is she front page? I don't know. I've never seen that. I know that there's.

[Tim Pool]

So front page is a default setting right now. Everyone's front page is different.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

When. If you subscribe to a channel and you go to YouTube.com YouTube tells you here, here, we have chosen 15 videos from your subscriptions that we think you want to see. Yeah. So there are many people who are right now experiencing shadow banning. And I've been hearing from a lot of prominent individuals saying, like, YouTube won't promote my videos anymore. And I will additionally add, if you look at some of these more prominent conservative commentators to notice their views are subject to substantially down. Yeah, I don't want to call anybody out specifically, but guys, seriously, just go look at your favorite conservative commentator and look at their last few videos. And the views are in the gutter. So what is it about Candace that YouTube has no problem blasting her out to everybody?

[Shane Cashman]

This would go back to my.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I hire. She is a black woman. This would be. We fetishize that on the right. We love nothing more than this model minority and we love to put her on a pedestal. That's what Ben Shapiro originally did with her.

[Tim Pool]

We got.

[Shane Cashman]

Did you feel this way about her now?

[Tim Pool]

I have a question.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I always thought she was.

[Tim Pool]

I have a question about this law firm that Candace works with that is seemingly in the same building as the feds. And I want to know what her communications with them are. How did she hire him? Because you made that point. Is it her law firm or just the firm in this one lawsuit?

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

I'm curious. Did. Did the Macrones file a suit and then she immediately went to the feds over this. And more importantly, if she says France and Israel or France wants to assassinate her and at least one Israeli, you'd have to imagine she's talking with the feds, Right? I mean, she knows cash and damage.

[Shane Cashman]

I think she said she did, right? Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So then when you find out her law firm is working in the federal building, sounds to me like Candace is working with the Feds. And I don't mean that as a joke, but, I mean, I got to be honest. If you are being targeted by a foreign government, you genuinely believe so, and they're trying to sue you, and Trump called you about it, there's no way federal national security is not involved. Then I have the question of why is YouTube putting her on the front page? Why are they letting her be number one when Nick Fuentes gets banned straight off Spotify and her legal team works in the same building as Feds? Come on. I don't buy it for a second.

[Shane Cashman]

My crazy theory with that was that, and I was saying this right after, days after Charlie was assassinated, was that we're experiencing an acceleration of disinformation from all around. It's like this noise, this distortion to sow discord.

[Tim Pool]

You think that's Candace?

[Shane Cashman]

So I don't know. I don't know if it's Candace. What I think is they, the tech people who run the algorithms, who we've talked about earlier, who will take things and take isolated people and radicalize them into violence, they can hold on doing it.

[Phil Labonte]

She's definitely useful.

[Tim Pool]

Idiot.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, useful.

[Tim Pool]

So hold on, hold on. Candace said she was talking to feds?

[Shane Cashman]

I think she said she reached out to them after the death threat that happened the other day.

[Tim Pool]

But what about the assassination threats, whatever happened recently? Yeah, I think it is completely legitimate to ask these questions. Her lawyers are working in a building with the feds. She didn't disclose that when that story first came out. Why not?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

When? When everyone said she got hoaxed because she read this email that said, here's the address. And it turned out that was the address where her law firm was at. Wouldn't she have said this is a creepy email? Because it turns out. Because she could have said, are they spying on my lawyers?

[Amber Duke]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Instead, she doesn't mention it until she gets called out. So, again, considering she's propped up. So I'll say this. You could argue she has a good show, people entertained by it, but there are a lot of good shows that YouTube has removed, like Alex Jones, for instance. Yet she's given preferential access and treatment, all while claiming, you can't have that. And her lawyers are in the same building as the feds, and she didn't disclose that. Has she talked with the Feds. And if she did, what is she talking to them about? I would not be surprised if it turns out she's been. She does have some kind of handler. I'm not saying she's instructed to do things or that anything she says is part of a coordinated effort, but that she has a liaison with the government. And you can look at it from a variety of factors. If there's a legitimate assassination threat against you and she has claimed that, then you're from a foreign government, of course you're gonna be talking with national security. Right. The fact that YouTube is not removing but promoting her, and we know that the feds had backdoors into these systems. I think there's legitimate questions about why Candace Owens is able to do things that no one else can do.

[Phil Labonte]

And Owen is a fed.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, she's a psyops.

[Tim Pool]

Alex Jones is removed. He can't even bring his channel back. He gets sued by these politically aligned groups or whatever, allegedly. And the Supreme Court won't take his appeal. Candace Owens comes out and makes a bunch of claims about Charlie Kirk being assassinated, and she's propped up. And again, I got to say it. Her lawyers are in the same building as the Feds. I got questions. I got questions.

[Shane Cashman]

What I'm saying is I think the tech people can help steer the narrative, so they might be helping to boost her without her even knowing. And it's possible she has handlers as well. I think everyone has some handler. When you get to a certain level, you get handlers. There's something Kanye talked about all the time before he disappeared, you know, for six months. Always worried about having a handler. I mean, the handlers are basically what killed Prince and Michael. And Michael Jackson.

[Tim Pool]

So. So. So this is funny because I get. I got comments right now saying that I met with Bibi Netanyahu. I will meet with any world leader. But whatever you think of me, my questions are completely legitimate. I'm not saying Candace is doing anything wrong. I'm saying, answer me this. Why Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes are banned from everywhere and Candace Owens is propped up? Why does Candace Owens have a law firm that is in a federal building with the dea, the FBI, and the Secret Service, Nick. And all one big accident.

[Phil Labonte]

I guess both Nick and Alex, they had a narrative as to why they were booted. Right? So the Alex Jones thing is because he said such terrible things about the families that. That were at the. At the school shooting and stuff about who. Who was involved. He was making accusations, and. And allegedly it was oh, he hurt these people so much. He's, you know, Persona non grata. And Nick, there's a bunch of stuff that they said there. There was. The reason that he's on a no fly list is because of statements he made.

[Tim Pool]

But. Okay, so that he has.

[Phil Labonte]

Nobody says that he is being. Losing his. His page because of.

[Tim Pool]

I get it. I get it. So if the point is they have said things atrocious and offensive, then it is acceptable to insinuate Turning Point insiders killed Charlie Kirk. Like, YouTube's totally fine with that level of conspiracy, apparently. Couldn't Turning Point launch a lawsuit similar to what was launched against Alex Jones against Candace Owens?

[Phil Labonte]

They could, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I think Alex Jones never. My understanding is he didn't name anybody. He didn't. And if. And Candace is going to be like, I never explicitly said they did it, they're going to say it doesn't matter. And the same thing will levitate against her from Turning Point.

[Shane Cashman]

They're going to Alex Jones, Candace at some point.

[Tim Pool]

I think YouTube. YouTube banned Alex before all that went down. YouTube would certainly at least shadow ban, or they call it the small room ban, meaning they allow her to get a lot of views, but it slowly declines over time. So it looks like natural audience like recession. But they're not. She's being promoted. Like, YouTube is making sure. And these podcast flappers are promoting her. And it's funny that there are people. You can say whatever you want about me. Answer that question. Tell me I'm wrong about everything. Claim that I'm a fed, say whatever you want. Find me a legitimate answer as to why YouTube allows her and not Alex Jones. We got to go to your chats and rumble rants. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know. I'm going to leave. Oh, yeah, Shane's gonna go do his show.

[Shane Cashman]

We went late and I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me go crazy with AI stuff. It was a pleasure.

[Phil Labonte]

Have fun.

[Shane Cashman]

You guys can catch me at inverted world live.

[Tim Pool]

10 o'.

[Amber Duke]

Clock.

[Elad Eliyahu]

See y'. All.

[Tim Pool]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

That's gross. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got Mrs. Carter says hello, Tim and crew. You said years ago that if we wanted to see change, then we needed to become the change. I left my casino job and became a teacher. Please help GSG from classroom to airwaves. Go. Give Send.

[Phil Labonte]

Go.

[Tim Pool]

Very cool. All right, let's see. Same old man says, Tim, please do a pool lemonade version that will definitely sell. That is a great idea. We've talked about it. We want to do pond water, which is green tea, spa water, which is carbonated. And then we're gonna do pool. Toilet water was like chocolate drink. See, that's too much, though. Like, pool water by itself is just fine. But, you know, pond water is funny. All right. I identify as a tax exempt, says Doge clock is gone.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, it's a shame.

[Tim Pool]

Mason says what proof did the judge have that the prosecutor appointment was unlawful? And why shouldn't I just assume this is more evidence? The Democrats won't allow a peaceful solution. Agreed. I think this is ridiculous. The interim attorney was appointed because the other one resigned. And so that's what you do. You have an interim attorney. All right. Same old man. Says Phil Trump, enacting the Insurrection act and doing tribunals, that would fix it all.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So for those that don't know, a tribunal literally means three military officers deciding whether or not you've done something wrong. Tribunal typically is used to refer to, like a government rendition. So an extra judiciary judgment of some sort. Tribunal. How about that?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't see that being a solution.

[Tim Pool]

Jitter Root says Phil hit me up on ig. Ali and I would geek on guitars. He was a beautiful soul.

[Phil Labonte]

He was a beautiful soul. And we miss him every day. Man, sucks.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see. John Rambo says, Tim, I'm trying to reach you about your extended warranty. I don't have one. Nice try. Meo says Tim, you left an important part of that. Observing the particles alters them. Look up the double slit experiment. That means the second the particle is observed, the results change. That's not. That's. That's not relevant to the entanglement. As far as I understand. What I. What was explained to me is they. They want to use entangled particles for communications, but they don't have the tech yet to watch it in real time. Maybe that's what you're referring to. Like, if they do try to watch it in real time, it doesn't behave properly. But they're. They want to use AI to quickly solve these mathematical equations so then they can make these technologies work.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I remember when quantum computing was the thing.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's.

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[Phil Labonte]

Apply NMLS 696891 remember that well, quantum computing is still a thing. They're still working on it. But quantum computing doesn't like the applications aren't like the same kind of thing that your laptop's going to do. It's not like, you know, just do the stuff your laptop does faster. It does different types of computations.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we have Millennial Mama saying, Tim, what happened to the noon show on Rumble? There's a lot to break down for the past week or so. It just wasn't possible to do. So here's the way the my morning schedule works. I have to record, let's see, it's a 22, 20 minute segment, a 20 minute, 20 minute, 30 minute, 10 minute, 10 minute, then go live for an hour. And I have from 9am to get all of that done so that we can go live at noon. Now that's not really difficult to do if you've got a healthy and robust news cycle. But on days when either we are waiting for breaking news. And so I have my publishing schedule in the morning, which is for rumble and YouTube, it's 10 noon, 1 and 3. And then we have the Tim Pool show, which is 2pm and then we have the culture war at 4. To be able to do all of that in the morning. On days where we're entering a holiday, seriously, we come in, we sit down and we're like, we've got. There was one day where the front page of every News site was 15 different articles about Epstein in the exact, in the same way but with a different article. I was like, dude, there's, there's, there's no news show we can do. However, one of the solutions to this, a typical newsroom would be you hire a story producer who has a backlog of evergreen stories like AI Weather phenomenon, which we don't have. So that would be the solution. In the meantime, it just means we're not gonna prioritize rushing an hour live show and interview if there's no big story to do. A half an hour of commentary and a half an Hour interview on. Instead we'll just focus on doing the prescient news segments that we can though we want to do the news live. Sometimes it's like guys, we can't force a story or a show on something that when there's limited commentary and make it go live. Otherwise what happens is I end up not doing segments. And I'll keep it really simple. The contract obligations for our sponsors prioritizes segments over the live version which then gets re uploaded a segment. So that means we have to prioritize what we're selling against. The new live show is relatively new anyway. It's about six, seven months old and we didn't know if it was going to work in the first place. But what we may need to do is just bring on a story producer so that we have a story every day regardless of whether the news cycle supports a half an hour news show. I, I'll be honest, setting up all the story and lining it up for a half an hour is very difficult. And trying to do the full morning show and then the culture war with an hour live is very difficult. All right. Rocky says, hoping this becomes a trend as well. We, we took our adopted baby girl home for the first time today. Blessed. Blessed beyond measure. Thank you guys for all you do. God is good. Congratulations. See, Michael Thompson says. I know TP USA said they're still trying to get you out there the day you made your video about not going. Any chance that can change and the stage show continues? It will not. There's a lot to break down and I talked about it a bit on the uncensored portion of the show. But the simple version is, my understanding is they had filled the typical slot we took before they even let me know that they weren't intending on to invite us. So that when we were asking like, hey, we just, we're wondering what the schedule is going to be because we have to book hotels and stuff. And we were being told like, don't worry, we'll let you know, we're working on it. They had actually already booked the stage so they knew at bare minimum we would not be in our typical slot. And we were unaware. And so my, my, you know, I'll keep it simple. But we got invited to another event that is happening just before amfest. And when I, when I, when we reached out, we was like, well, they're full, but we're working on it. And I was like, I got to pull the trigger on something. And so I was told that we weren't being invited because of things that I said that were hurtful. They had actually filled the stage a month before I had said anything. So I. I guess they just didn't want to stay in the first place. And the idea that, you know, they did invite me back after the fact, but I'm like, guys, we're less than a month out and now you're going to bump four people off the stage you already booked? Because people have expressed concern when I said we weren't invited. It's not a game I play. I will say this and burn up whatever diplomacy is left behind the scenes. You know, I think Joel Berry said this on the culture war show, that Turning point is over. And I said he was brave to have said it. I was like. Because nobody wants to say that publicly now. What I had said that offended them was that there are people who fear Turning Point can't make it without Charlie. You know, it's up to these other people to speak up. But I'll tell you this. Behind the scenes, prominent conservatives across the board are saying it, that there's. Some people are saying there won't be a Turning Point next year. I think everybody generally understands that feeling, but nobody wants to be the one to say it. I'm not the first person saying it either. I called myself cowardly when Joel pointed. I said, I've not been willing to come out publicly and say anything like this. But he said it. And I will tell you this. There are many high profile individuals with millions of followers who are all saying the exact same thing. But none of them have the balls to come out publicly and say that's how they feel. So I guess because they don't want to be looked at as like, a dick or whatever. Can I put you guys on the spot and ask you what you think about it?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Unfortunately, without Charlie Kirk, it's only as sustainable as the donors will let them go. I don't think there's a replacement. Turning point was Charlie Kirk plus. And now without Charlie Kirk, the, the plus. You know, I think they're going to continue having these events, but the way they're also strategically politically moving, it almost seems like they want them to fail. Dropping the ball with you is the behavior unimaginably stupid. You've been a part of Amfest for years on end at a time where people are trying to bring the coalition together. Like, let's piss off Tim Pool and not invite him to the stage.

[Tim Pool]

It's not about pissing me off. It's just like, my, my.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So it's an insult I mean, you should have been there. You should have been invited.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not insulting.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You were there for years, and you were a staple of the event.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think it's an insult. Like, if I went out to dinner and didn't invite Phil, Phil's not gonna be insulted. You know what I mean? Like, oh, yeah, we typically go to dinner, but I didn't ask him. He's probably gonna be like, I don't know. Tim's doing family stuff. Like, my view is it's their party, not mine, and they didn't want me there, so that's why I'm not gonna go. I made a video saying we weren't invited. Then they came. Then many of the personalities came back and were like, hey, Tim, no, no, no. We want to invite you. We're gonna make it work. We'll bump people off the stage. And I was like, that's not how it works. Like, I knew this is exactly what was going to happen. It's their party. It's their event, and I don't need to be there if they want me to be there. I don't feel insulted by it. In fact, we've got another major event that we're going to, and I think that my view is this. Intent is immaterial. Emotion is immaterial. Desire, insult, whatever you might think, doesn't matter. What matters is the vision of the management. And if you think that the management's vision, not including us, is detrimental to Turning Point, that's fine. Charlie's vision was bring Cenk Uygur, Bring James Lindsay, Bring Tim Pool. Bring a Make a big coalition. It feels like their. Their strategy has shifted. That being said, I was talking to one guy today, and I said, I think it's going to be like cpac. It had the makings of the new South, a new south by Southwest in Phoenix. With all these parties popping up now, I feel like it's probably more like a cpac. And this dude said, I don't think there'll even be one.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Look, it's strategically incompetent of them to drop the ball with personalities like you. I don't know what their deal is with other people, but particularly with people like you. And I think it's unfortunate at a time like this. I don't know if it's a compliment to Charlie Kirk and an insult to Turning Point, but they just have such big shoes to fill that I don't know if it's possible for them to.

[Tim Pool]

It's not just Turning Point, but I will say this. The conversations I've been having with a lot of political personalities, even to a certain degree before we started this show, when we're trying to figure out what story we want to do, is that people are largely tuned out of politics worse than we've seen in a long time. There's also economic issues around ad rates that's affecting the entirety of the space. Not just political, but many of the most prominent political personalities are suffering in their viewership. And it's crazy. Tate was mentioning, he went to the gala at Mar a Lago and a bunch of different companies came up to him and they're like, how are Tim's views still good? Like, what's he doing? And it's, it's. I have no idea. But I can tell you this, guys, seriously, just go look at prominent conservative personalities, YouTube channels, and you'll see that their views are way, way, way, way down. And when I say way down, I mean like 80%. And there's kind of this behind the scenes panic where people are like, these conversations are having, like, look at this channel. Like, what is going on? And I'm like, guys, the same sentiment around people choosing not to watch political content and the management sentiment not wanting to have people like me at amfest, I think generally there is just this, like, the political space is breaking away, losing its connection to the general public. And where pop culture was politics for a long time, that's starting to fade because people are tired of it. So I've been telling people, you need to figure out how to connect with regular people and find out where that space is. But going hardcore, rigid, conservative, mainline politics is the antithesis. So my point largely is if they're choosing to double down on people wearing suits, talking political messaging at a time when politic, political content is way down, it feels apocalyptic, but we got to go to the uncensored portion of the show. So my friends, smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone. You know, I'll get into the nitty gritty on this [e-mail] Timcast IRL. I'll spill the beans on some of what people are saying and telling me, much to the chagrin of everybody else. But I think honesty is important. If no one is willing to tell the truth about this, the system will burn down and everyone will suffer. So we should talk about it. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Of course. Join [e-mail] for the Discord community. Amber, do you want to shout anything out?

[Amber Duke]

Yeah, you can find my work at DailyColler.com, subscribe to our new substack. It's called State of the Day and I'm at Reason Free Media every Tuesday and the Hills Rising every Friday. I'm also on WCBM 680 tomorrow morning.

[Tim Pool]

From 6 to 9am thanks for tuning in everybody.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I am Elad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. I wasn't in when Taylor Greene announced her resignation of Congress. So I'm here tonight to celebrate that. We're smoking on that Trader Green, if you know what I'm saying. And we also have fat one fat ones rolled for the other rhinos, the anti maga rhinos in Congress for when Massey loses and these other rhinos in the Republican Party get kicked out. We got fat ones rolled for y' all too. So tonight we're smoking on that Trader Green and we also got other fat ones coming. So thank you guys for tuning in.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. I'm Phil that the band is all that remains. You can check out our stuff on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out. SA.

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