Dan Bongino To RESIGN, Trump Addresses The Nation w/ Brian Shaprio

Summary

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Timcast IRL – Dec 18, 2025

Episode: Dan Bongino To RESIGN, Trump Addresses The Nation w/ Brian Shapiro
Host: Phil Labonte (guest hosting for Tim Pool)
Panelists: Brian Shapiro, Ian Crossland, Tate Brown

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together hard-hitting political commentary and debate about Dan Bongino’s resignation from the FBI, conspiracy theories related to Jeffrey Epstein, reactions to Donald Trump’s live Oval Office address, and the broader ideological divides currently shaping American society. The discussion features a range of voices, with guest Brian Shapiro adding a left-leaning perspective in contrast to Timcast IRL’s typical mix of conservative and libertarian regulars. The panel analyzes not only news events but also deeply contentious issues regarding morality, media credibility, immigration, LGBTQ+ issues, and health care—culminating in a real-time response to Trump’s speech presenting his "Warrior Dividend" and economic policy claims.

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Main Topics and Discussions

1. Dan Bongino’s Resignation from the FBI

(06:22–15:05)

• Announcement Recap:
  Phil Labonte introduces the headline: Dan Bongino, former FBI Deputy Director, announced on social media that he will resign in January.
• Guest Reaction:
  • Brian Shapiro is sharply critical, accusing Bongino of spreading conspiracy theories (especially relating to Jeffrey Epstein) for personal gain and now shifting tone after entering public service.

    “This is a guy who spread, you know, stories and conspiracy theories. The Epstein files is something that he talked about in his podcast pretty much every single day. And now all of a sudden, there’s nothing to see.” — Brian Shapiro [07:22]

  • Phil asks: “Is this a significant hindrance for the FBI?” Panel largely agrees Bongino’s resignation is more about inside-baseball drama and public perception than FBI efficiency.
• Credibility and Accountability:
  Debate intensifies over whether Bongino’s change of narrative reflects a serious credibility gap, with Shapiro asserting Bongino "pretty much admitted that I was paid to say these things" [22:01].

2. Epstein Files, Conspiracy Theories & Trump’s Associations

(07:22–25:53 | 27:24–32:31)

• Shapiro’s Position:
  • Shapiro insists that Trump is “all over the Epstein files,” suggesting impropriety or at least coverup, and is passionate about the need for transparency for victims of Epstein.

    “I'm implying that he has a lot to hide and this would make him look very bad because he was a very good friend and probably did some awful things. Now, awful doesn't necessarily mean breaking the law.” — Brian Shapiro [16:01]

  • He highlights disparities in how Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell have been treated, alleging preferential or “VIP” handling due to Trump's influence.
• Counterpoints:
  • Phil and Tate argue Bongino and others trafficked in speculation, and note no evidence Trump committed illegal acts; panel calls for proof over insinuation.
  • Ian raises alternative theories (e.g., Trump as FBI informant), illustrating how speculation clouds public understanding.
• Quote:

  "If all of the evidence says that he didn’t do anything…why is there such scrutiny?” — Phil Labonte [122:16]

• Release of Epstein Files:
  Shapiro and others discuss whether Trump (or, by extension, Biden) could legally or politically release full Epstein case files, and what the delay means.

3. Polarization, Morality, and Cancel Culture

(32:31–43:45 | 58:14–63:56)

• Morality & Leadership:
  • Vigorous debate on whether Trump’s personal failings are out of step with prior presidents (Clinton, Biden, Bush) or whether “morality” is overrated or context-dependent in US politics.

    “This is like, they’re not voting for a priest. They’re voting for a president.” — Tate Brown [31:57] “I believe Donald Trump could sodomize a child on video and a portion of his base would still support him. That’s why I call it a cult.”—Brian Shapiro [31:42]

• Identity Politics:
  • Panel explores why support for candidates like AOC, Kamala Harris, and Pete Buttigieg may be limited, touching on gender, sexuality, and electability.

    "Women are 0 and 2 against Donald Trump… I think you have to put a man in there." — Brian Shapiro [37:49]

• Guardrails, Freedom, & Social Progress:
  • Differences emerge over where to draw the line between social tolerance (“stay out of private lives”) and the need for societal “guardrails.”
    • Tate: “I just don’t think society has benefited from telling people yes to everything…it’s gotten worse. People need guardrails.” [63:12]
    • Shapiro: “I want people to live their lives and be happy, and I want the government out of their lives...” [56:07]

4. LGBTQ+ Issues & Societal Trends

(43:45–58:14)

• Generational & Cultural Shifts:
  • Debate centers on whether increased LGBTQ identification is due to destigmatization or social engineering/incentives.
    • Tate: “There is economic benefit… It is the in thing.” [51:33]
    • Shapiro: “Maybe people find it to be a little bit more socially acceptable to be gay now than it was maybe 20, 30 years ago.” [50:57]
• Impact on Children & Family Structure:
  • Phil argues that parents—not schools—should guide children on sexuality or gender identity; Tate and Ian emphasize the value of traditional family models, while Shapiro maintains “two fathers or two mothers” can be just as effective parents.

5. Live Reaction: Trump’s Oval Office Address – "Warrior Dividend"

(66:49–86:28)

• Key Claims from Trump:
  • Announced the “Warrior Dividend”—a $1,776 payment to military service members, funded by tariffs.
  • Bold claims of economic progress: declining inflation, rising wages, job boom, energy and healthcare reforms.
  • Border: “For the past seven months, zero illegal aliens have been allowed into our country.”
  • Peace Claims: “Ended the war in Gaza, bringing...peace to the Middle East” [71:53]
• Panel’s Real-Time Analysis (Post-Speech):
  • Tate: “That was basically a long winded way of announcing the Warrior Dividend.” [85:33]
  • Shapiro immediately fact-checks Trump’s speech:

    “All prices are coming down. I just want to remind everybody that inflation has gone up for the fifth straight month in a row…when Joe Biden left office, it was at 4.1%. It's now at 4.7%.” [86:28]

  • Phil and Tate push back that inflation ≠ prices; argue many of Trump’s claims are presidential boilerplate and must be judged against future results.

6. Immigration, Asylum, and Health Care

(93:07–108:59)

• Healthcare Burden & Undocumented Immigrants:
  • Shapiro underscores the paradox of cutting Medicaid and emergency coverage for millions, predicting greater strain on ERs and taxpayer costs.
  • Phil and Tate maintain that undocumented immigrants should not be in the US—and mass deportation, while difficult and imperfect, is a necessary solution.

    “If you're an illegal immigrant, you should be sent home.” — Tate Brown [94:15]

  • Disagreement over asylum law, rule of law, and ICE behavior.
• Pathways to Citizenship:
  Shapiro supports pathways for nonviolent, taxpaying undocumented immigrants; others on the panel are far more restrictive.

7. Gun Control, the Constitution, and Mental Health

(111:00–119:21)

• Gun Rights:
  • Shapiro says, “I’m for the Second Amendment,” but supports minimum age of 21, basic training, and some red flag laws.
  • Phil and Ian push back, highlighting slippery-slope concerns and the need to preserve self-defense rights. The "car vs. gun" regulation analogy is dissected.

    “The only time you use a gun is when your life is in danger.” — Phil Labonte [112:52]

  • Panel agrees more should (and could) be done on mental health, but caution against knee-jerk legislation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bongino’s shift:

  “He pretty much admitted that I was paid to say these things… I was getting paid to spew conspiracy theories with no factual basis.” — Brian Shapiro [22:01]

• Trump and Epstein:

  “I'm passionate about young children that get raped.” — Brian Shapiro [08:55]
  “His name is all over in the [Epstein] files…” — Brian Shapiro [09:34]

• On Trump’s base:

  “Donald Trump could sodomize a child on video and a portion of his base would still support him. That’s why I call it a cult.” — Brian Shapiro [31:42]

• On AOC’s viability:

  “I think that she’s extremely dangerous and I think that she could absolutely win.” — Phil Labonte [37:04]

• Panel chemistry:
  Playful but pointed, e.g., “We need to get these broads back to the kitchen.” — Tate Brown (obviously tongue-in-cheek) [38:52]

  “I have a lot of respect for AOC. However, I don’t think she should run for president.” — Brian Shapiro [37:16]

• Defense of reasoned debate:

  “I love the fact that you guys are willing to have these conversations. I think there are too many people out there in their echo chamber, left or right.” — Brian Shapiro [127:50]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Dan Bongino Resigns: 06:22–15:05
• Epstein Files & Conspiracies: 07:22–25:53; 27:24–32:31; revisited after Super Chats [121:29]
• Leadership, Morality, and Why Voters Choose Candidates: 31:42–43:45
• AOC, Identity Politics, and 2028 Election: 35:35–40:34
• Guardrails, Sexuality, and the State's Role: 56:07–63:56
• LGBTQ+ Social Issues/Transgenderism: 43:45–56:07
• Trump’s Oval Office Address & Analysis: 66:49–86:28 (speech itself: 67:28–85:33)
• Fact Checking Trump’s Claims: 86:28–93:07
• Healthcare, Immigration, and Emergency Care Debate: 93:07–108:59
• Gun Control & Mental Health: 111:00–119:21
• Super Chats/Closing Banter: 119:31–end

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Expect fiery debate—this episode is a lively clash of perspectives, strong on both substantive political analysis and real-time fact-checking.
• Clashing worldviews are exposed around:
  • The sincerity and impact of “influencer” public figures joining government.
  • Evidence vs. conspiracy in political discourse.
  • The meaning of morality in public life.
  • The culture wars over gender, sexuality, parenthood, and what defines the American Dream.
• Real-time media literacy:
  The panel models how to “listen & verify” by immediately reacting to Trump’s address, analyzing claims for accuracy and political effect.
• Memorable moments include Brian Shapiro’s impassioned critiques, exchangess about hyperbole in Trump support, and the group’s respectful, if combative, engagement—punctuated by a willingness on both sides to cite facts and personal experience.

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For those new to Timcast IRL or this particular episode:
This is a showcase of today's ideological divides—in news, culture, and politics—delivered with both humor and ferocity, peppered with real policy analysis and media critique. While uncensored and occasionally confrontational, the discussion remains focused on issues, with the guests ultimately agreeing on the need for open dialogue.

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Transcript

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[Brian Shapiro]

Good to be here, guys. Thanks for inviting me on. I guess Tim dodged me today. What happened?

[Phil Labonte]

Who are you and what do you do?

[Brian Shapiro]

I am a political talk show host out of Las Vegas, and I've been doing it for a while now, and I certainly am leaning to the left, so I'm sure we. I will have some disagreements with some of you gentlemen here, which is. Which is not a bad thing, right? That's a good thing.

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[Brian Shapiro]

Yes. And so, yeah, that's what I do. I do a talk show every day, Monday through Friday. And thanks for having me here, guys. I appreciate it.

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Phil Labonte]

Awesome. So we're gonna start off with, from the New York Post, Dan Bongino to leave the FBI Deputy director job. With rumored replacement waiting in the wings, FBI Director Dan Bongino will resign his position with less than a year on the job after reportedly packing up his belongings and bidding adieu to his team. I will be leaving my position with the FBI in January, Bongino announced on social media Wednesday night. I want to President Trump, AG Bondi and Director Patel for the opportunity to serve with purpose. Most importantly, I want to thank you, my fellow Americans, for the privilege to serve you. God bless America and all those who defend her. The announcement caps a day of speculation on when Bongino would leave, with four sources telling the Post that Bongino's departure was expected soon. So I actually made a remark about this last night. I didn't think he was gonna do it, but I got that one wrong. So full accountability here. But what do you guys think? Do you think that this is. This is going to be a significant hindrance for the FBI or what?

[Brian Shapiro]

It could be a hindrance, but let me just start with Dan Bongino. This is a guy who spread, you know, stories and conspiracy theories. The Epstein files is something that he talked about in his podcast pretty much every single day. And now all of a sudden, there's nothing to see. Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. And I think the rumors of him getting into it with Bondi were absolutely true. He knows exactly what's in the Epstein fil, and I think a lot of his listeners are probably pretty upset at him. So he was spewing this stuff every single day.

[Phil Labonte]

So the way that you say that makes me think that you have a disagreement. Do you think that there's something in the Epstein file?

[Brian Shapiro]

100%. So what do you.

[Phil Labonte]

Go ahead.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, why do you think Donald Trump doesn't want to talk about it? If anybody, even his supporters, bring up the Epstein files, he calls them stupid. Clearly, he has something to hide. It's the same reason why he didn't want to release his tax returns. It's the same reason why they're not releasing his medical records from the mri. The reason why he doesn't want to talk about this stuff or release it publicly is because he has something to hide. Donald Trump was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. According to Jeffrey Epstein, they're seen all over the place, hanging out with each other. We know that he was on the Epstein flight log at least seven times. And then Jack Bassobic and others, to no fault of Their own, by the way, were holding these binders up because of Pam Bondi, who claimed that it was on her desk. I believe Dan Bongino knows the truth. And let me ask you guys a question.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, before we do, would you want to venture a guess as to what it is that's in there that you think Donald Trump is hiding?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know if he broke the law, but certainly he's in the Epstein files.

[Phil Labonte]

You sound pretty passionate about it.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I am passionate about young children that get raped.

[Phil Labonte]

So then you are implying that Donald Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

What I am implying is that Donald Trump is all over the Epstein files. And so many of his supporters were talking about the rich elitist in Hollywood and all the lefty pedophiles, fine, so be it. If Bill Clinton is in there, that's totally fine. But the difference, difference between Republicans and Democrats, many of them today is most Democrats say, hey, if Bill Clinton's in there, if there are Democrats in there, fine, release the files. And. And Donald Trump wants this story to go away. Guess what? It's not going away. We'll see what happens on Friday. But, yes, I think Donald Trump is all over the files.

[Phil Labonte]

So, so again, saying all over the file.

[Brian Shapiro]

His name is all over in the.

[Phil Labonte]

Files, but saying that, I mean, it sounds like you're making, you're implying something. Do you have an opinion as to what it is?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know. I don't know whether he broke the law or not. My opinion goes the same as I just said. There's a reason why he doesn't want the files released. Clearly he doesn't.

[Phil Labonte]

So you don't think that, if, you don't think that the Biden administration would have taken a look at these and said something. If there was something in there when they were in.

[Brian Shapiro]

A couple things I'd say there. First of all, number one, if Joe Biden did do that, he would be equally as wrong. Now, I don't think Joe Biden was best friends with Jeffrey.

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No, no.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I mean, if Joe Biden hadn't. Joe Biden's DOJ had the paperwork. Right. If, if the Trump administration has it, then that means that the Biden administration had it as well.

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely.

[Phil Labonte]

So you don't think that if there was something that Donald Trump had done that was illegal, you don't think they would have put it out?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think there is certainly a possibility, and I don't know this to be true or not, that maybe they were protecting lefties that are in there as well that could Be very possible. I also can tell you that the Maxwell trial was going on during that and they were sealed for four years. I agree. I agree. A portion of it was sealed. See, I worry about today. And yes, I wish the files were released a very long time ago. I don't care whether they're Democrats or Republicans in there. The problem is Joe Biden didn't campaign on the Epstein files. His supporters weren't talking about that.

[Phil Labonte]

Donald Trump didn't campaign.

[Brian Shapiro]

His followers were.

[Phil Labonte]

His followers are not him.

[Brian Shapiro]

Look at what.

[Phil Labonte]

So. No, but you said that he campaigned on these.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I don't.

[Phil Labonte]

And he didn't campaign on them. His followers are not him. So he didn't campaign on this. In fact, the only time that I recall it being mentioned, he walked it back.

[Brian Shapiro]

So why do you think he walked it back? And why do you. Let me ask you a question. Why are they treating Maxwell VIP service, unprecedented 20 year sentence. Why are they giving one of the biggest sex traffickers in this country preferential treatment? A dog? They let visitors eat snacks. They give them a laptop.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why is that?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

Give me a logical reason.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know why, but I'm not going. Well, I don't. I don't. I don't know why.

[Brian Shapiro]

One logical reason why Maxwell has been treated by the Trump administration the way.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said, I don't know why. But the fact of the matter is I'm not the one that's. That's emotive about this and, and throwing around accusations.

[Ian Crossland]

Hold on now. You can't be like, I'm not the one.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely I cannot.

[Ian Crossland]

What are you over there with Ghislaine?

[Phil Labonte]

I have no idea. I don't believe.

[Ian Crossland]

Educated assumption.

[Phil Labonte]

I have no idea.

[Brian Shapiro]

You can't give us an educated guess on why you don't treat.

[Phil Labonte]

I didn't know anything.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can I give you my hypothesis?

[Phil Labonte]

Sure, you're more than welcome to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Maybe. Maybe they're giving her preferential treatment, by the way, Unprecedented preferential treatment. Maybe because they're protecting Donald Trump. I think that's the only logical conclusion that most people would come up with. Why else would they do this? I've heard.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, so there's, there's talk about the possibility that Donald Trump worked with the FBI. So maybe they would be protecting FBI.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, I haven't heard that.

[Ian Crossland]

But some people think that Donald Trump's flipped on Epstein and started became an informant for the FBI.

[Brian Shapiro]

But think about this.

[Phil Labonte]

So if that's the case, then they're just protecting sources.

[Brian Shapiro]

They've treated Maxwell like a vip. Donald Trump doesn't want anybody to talk about. In fact, if a reporter even brings it up, he will call that reporter names.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, he's talked, he's, he's talked about it multiple times. He said that he wants to see the files released, and there's been judges that have, have.

[Brian Shapiro]

First of all, if you wanted the files released, he wouldn't need a judge to sign off on it tomorrow. He could release the files if he wanted to. So that's complete B.S.

[Phil Labonte]

Called for the, for the AG to do it. Right? Has he not.

[Brian Shapiro]

He could, he could just simply release the files tomorrow if he wanted to, without a judge's decision. Legally, if he wanted to release all the files and redact all the victims.

[Phil Labonte]

Specifically said that he wanted him, then.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why won't he do it?

[Phil Labonte]

As far as I, as far as I understand, he said that he want, you know, he doesn't.

[Brian Shapiro]

What he says.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I assume that he doesn't have the files on his desk.

[Brian Shapiro]

You believe him when he says things like that?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't. I think that Donald Trump, I honestly, I think that, that he's probably trying to protect himself because his name is in the, in there. But I don't think that he's done anything. But I'm not emotive about it because I don't have, I don't think that he's done anything else.

[Ian Crossland]

What do you guys, you talked about Bongino earlier, I think, and you mentioned like Trump's kind of administration choices had campaigned or talked about the Epstein as part of their messaging.

[Phil Labonte]

Epstein talked about it a lot when he had his pet, when he had his podcast.

[Ian Crossland]

Bongino.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You mentioned how angry his audience has become. And I think you're right because he's been in the government with like this, this gag system.

[Brian Shapiro]

You remember, he wouldn't go to work. Do you remember that day, you guys, when he took a day off and they, apparently him, Pam Bondi and Cash Patel got into it and then he didn't show up the next day. Look, here's what it comes down to. Cash Patel under oath was asked seven times by Eric Swalwell, did you tell Pam Bondi that Trump is in the Epstein files? He would not answer the question. If he wasn't in the files, Cash Patel would have answered that question. It doesn't take a smart person to realize that he didn't want to answer it because the answer is yes.

[Ian Crossland]

But being in the files might make him more of a hero if he turned on Epstein and aided the FBI. And it would uncover a bunch of other FBI like undercover that are breaking child.

[Phil Labonte]

And also the question about what is in the files, there's a lot of people that are, that have different ideas about what the Epstein files even are. So like if there's the question about what is it just the plain logs because obviously everyone knows Donald Trump was in that, right? He's used Epstein's plan. I don't know that. He's gone to the island, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I don't know that either.

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[Brian Shapiro]

But you know, listen, he was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein for a long time. Allegedly he was upset because Jeffrey Epstein was.

[Phil Labonte]

That was 20 years. It was over 20. Booted him out of the.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I mean I don't care if it was 20 years ago or 50 years ago. I think you are who you hang out with sometimes and in this situation. Listen, we all know that Donald Trump is a pig. That's not against the law. We all know he bragged about grabbing women by the genitals. We all know that. You know, he's a womanizer who had unprotected sex with a porn star two weeks after Barron was born. We know that's not against the law. But this is, this is at another level here. And I'll tell you, some people that.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, no, if you're saying that that's not against the law and then you're saying that it's at another level, you're implying that he's broken the law.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know if he broke the law or not. What I do know you've said that.

[Phil Labonte]

He said multiple times. I don't know that he has. But yet you're continuing to imply that he has.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm implying that he has a lot to hide and this would make him look very bad because he was a very good friend and probably did some awful things. Now awful doesn't necessarily mean. Awful doesn't necessarily mean Breaking the law. But he, the way they've treated Maxwell, the fact that if any of his supporters even bring it up, he calls them stupid because he knows this makes him look bad. Now, he might have broken the law. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Release the files. Release the files and then we can stop talking about it. If Bill Clinton is in there and he did some horrible things, I will call him out, just like I will call out Donald Trump. It is the fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats today.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, I don't know about that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Name me one Democrat that doesn't want the files to be released right now.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

I name one because every single one of them has voted to release the files. It's the Republicans that don't want the files.

[Phil Labonte]

Democrats wanted the files out. They could have released them when the Biden.

[Brian Shapiro]

Then why do they want it out now then?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know. But like I said, if they, if.

[Tate Brown]

They were actually wanted, it's politically expedient for Democrats to be supporting the release now.

[Brian Shapiro]

Expedient. If there were, if Bill Clinton was in there and if Democrats were in.

[Phil Labonte]

There, Bill Clinton's not in even.

[Tate Brown]

Also, if, like the most important man in the world was like banging kids, that would have been scrubbed from the FBI database years ago. I mean, this is all like a moot point. And also with the Ghislaine Maxwell getting preferential treatment, I mean, she's cooperating with the doj. This is not unprecedented for a high profile sex offender to get the way she's been treated.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes, it is. According to the warden and other people that have spoken.

[Tate Brown]

The BoP themselves have said this as not unprecedented. Her lawyers are arguing that it's politically motivated. And then also Jeffrey Epstein in 2008 got a very luxurious plea deal as well. So it's not like this is a new thing. This is under the eyes.

[Brian Shapiro]

If you could, if you could name me someone who's been sentenced to 20 years for child sex trafficking, who is allowed a dog, who gets food deliveries to her, to her, and is allowed security to work out anytime she wants, guests are getting snacks. If you could name me someone that has been sentenced to 20 years for the crimes that she was found guilty of, then I'm all open ears. But this is unprecedented. And there's a reason why the Trump administration is doing this again, because Donald Trump is hiding something.

[Tate Brown]

The reason why we're saying that this is unprecedented because we can't name any of it, because this is the highest Profile sex crime case in America. That's my point.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes.

[Tate Brown]

And that's why it's like, okay, yeah, when you're that high profile, there's gonna be a different way of handling things within the prison system. And then also the doj. You're cooperating at the doj. You're get us answers. It's like, yeah, that's just how this works.

[Brian Shapiro]

George Santos was treated 20 times worse than Maxwell is being treated. There's something wrong with this.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like she.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like she offered them information that they were looking for to piece together some things.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't believe that at all.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I'm trying to figure out why they would do it. Other than that.

[Brian Shapiro]

I've given you my reasons. I think it's pretty obvious they're protecting Donald Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

What would they have got?

[Brian Shapiro]

They wanted.

[Phil Labonte]

Maxwell, you've done. You danced around the issue, but you won't actually come out and say what you assume, that Donald Trump has done something wrong, as in broken the law.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wrong doesn't necessarily mean against the law. No, I do think Donald Trump is a criminal, but maybe not for this.

[Ian Crossland]

My question, what do you think they got from Ghislaine?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, on the record, in the interview, she said she never saw Donald Trump doing any improprieties or doing anything wrong. Maxwell is smart enough to understand that she needs to say nice things about Donald Trump. That's why she is in the position she's in now, where she's in a Club Med facility. She's allowed to play tennis. She's allowed to work out in the middle of the night with security. She's allowed a puppy dog. Okay. Someone that has pled. Regardless of what your opinions are on Donald Trump or not, I think we all could agree if you've done the crimes that Maxwell's done, she doesn't deserve this kind of preferential treatment. And by the way, any of the people in that jail who have ever. Who are talked to her, even, or have said anything negative about her, they get enormous penalties for that. They are protecting her. They are being pressured by the Trump administration. It is absolutely obvious, and there's a reason for that. Again, I don't know whether he committed any crimes, but I do know that it is to his benefit to be treating her this way. And that's my opinion.

[Ian Crossland]

It could be a honey pot. And they're like, we can't blow the lid off the honey pot. We got too many global pedophiles on the hook right now.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, that's why, like Trump himself said, we can release Epstein files. But there's so many moving parts here. Again, if this truly is like an international clandestine operation, it's going to take a while to really unpack this.

[Brian Shapiro]

Again, I repeat what I said earlier. If he wanted to release the files tomorrow without a court order, without Congress, without any politician, he has the power to do so with redacting all the victims names. He can do that tomorrow if you wanted to.

[Phil Labonte]

But hasn't the release been prevented by a judge?

[Brian Shapiro]

No. So the reason. So if you remember, Pam Bondi a few weeks back said that she was opening up a new investigation. Legally, the only way that the Trump administration cannot release the files, 100% of the files, is because of that convenient investigation that was just opened several weeks ago. But yes, Donald Trump does have the power in general to do so, to release all.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said, I thought that a judge. Judge blocked it.

[Brian Shapiro]

So that was. So that was, I believe, 2% of the files that you are referring to where a judge did block that. But judge. What judge did block it. But Donald Trump has the ability to release all the files. You can look that up legally. He has the ability to do so. And listen, I want justice for the victims. This is where I agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene. This is where I agree with Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace. I am certainly not fans of any of them, but I am with them on this. They're right on this. They've met with the victims. Let's have justice for the victims. This isn't for me just about Donald Trump. I would say this for any victim of sexual assault. I want these SOBs, you know, brought to justice and at least their reputations deserve to be tarnished. Whether that's Donald Trump or Bill Clinton, I don't care. I want the files released. I've always wanted the files released. I said this years ago. I was very happy when Maxwell was finally sentenced. I've interviewed, you know, Epstein's brother multiple times. I mean, we don't have to get into that.

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That.

[Brian Shapiro]

But you know, Jeffrey Epstein's brother has some very interesting opinions on what he thinks happened to his brother. Going back to Dan Bongino, because I think this is where all this started. I think Dan Bongino is a clown. He pretty much admitted that I was paid to say these things. Meaning. Well, I was paid to say bs. That's basically what he said a few weeks ago.

[Phil Labonte]

Unbox that.

[Brian Shapiro]

What's that?

[Phil Labonte]

Can you unbox that?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, yeah, Bongino was asked about The Epstein Falls and I believe he was asked specifically about some other conspiracy theories that he used to bring up on his podcast. He did an interview a few weeks ago, I don't recall exactly who it was with and he said listen, it's my job now to tell the truth. That's what he said. I'm working for the FBI. It's my job to tell the truth. But back then I was getting paid for my opinions. So what that means to me is I was getting paid to spew conspiracy theories with no factual basis behind it. Whether it be about the Epstein files. There was a lot of. He talked about January 6th a lot. He talked about what about the bombers, the bomber on January 6th. And he talked about how it was a lefty liberal and it was antifa when this was the guy who's already told the FBI that a big part, a reason why he was there is because he believed that the election was stolen. Geez, I wonder where he got that from. But where did he get that information from? Where did he get that from the.

[Ian Crossland]

Just saying that his like he was getting paid for his ideas before and now he's not. Cuz he's in the government doesn't mean that his ideas necessarily were all conspiracy. Like he had a few. He might have said a few things that without maybe vetted evidence or maybe some things that turned out that the evidence wasn't true or maybe without evidence, I don't know, maybe. And then you cited a few things.

[Brian Shapiro]

That could have conspiracies about the 2020 election. He spewed conspiracies about the bomber on January 6th. He spewed conspiracies about Epstein, none of which were true. And he. And now he can't do that because he's right. He's working for the FBI. That's what a lot of these people do. They say things on the air that.

[Phil Labonte]

Are now but maybe none of which.

[Ian Crossland]

Now that he's proven.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you believe that when he said that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? Do you believe that he's lying?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I will say this, if that is true.

[Phil Labonte]

Believe that though. I mean before you said you didn't believe him. He was A few lies when he was an opinion.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I don't know what is it now that he.

[Phil Labonte]

Now that he's in the FBI? Yes, tell the truth.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know what his opinion was on Jeffrey Epstein. Whether Jeffrey Epstein murdered himself or not. I'm just unaware of that. Here's what we do know. There's a minute or two of the video that they have not released. Jeffrey Epstein's brother believes that his brother was killed by somebody. Now, I don't know that for sure.

[Phil Labonte]

But I'm asking you about Dan Bongino.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know what his opinion was on it when he was a podcast.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you believe now that he's telling the truth when he says that actually Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? Because before you said he was spewing lies, but now conspiracy theories tell the truth.

[Brian Shapiro]

So do you think I don't know the truth?

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think he's lying now?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, conspiracy theory could be true in.

[Brian Shapiro]

Regards to Jeffrey F4, though. So in regards to Jeffrey Epstein, whether he killed himself or not.

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[Brian Shapiro]

The truth of the matter is, is that I really don't know. I do.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think that Bongino knows and is telling the truth about Jeffrey Epstein murder?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know. I really don't know. Because I do find it weird that a minute or two of the video isn't there. Would you guys find that a little strange? I'm not saying everything about.

[Phil Labonte]

The point that I'm making is you said that now he has to tell the truth. Well, and now.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I'm sure we all could agree that, that the FBI hasn't always told the truth. Our DOJ hasn't always told the truth.

[Ian Crossland]

His job is to lie to us about the right things according to national secrecy. And he will maybe even say, I'm telling you the truth.

[Brian Shapiro]

There's a minute or two that's missing from the video. There were a lot of weird things that happened that day. I'm not going to sit here and tell you.

[Phil Labonte]

You think Jeffrey Epstein was murdered then?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

This is.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think there's a lot of strange things that happened. I don't. I truly don't know. Here's what's weird. When I was interviewing Jeffrey Epstein's brother, he had a parole date, I think, a few days later. Okay, we all know that Jeffrey Epstein had boatloads of money. Now, I'm not saying he would have gotten, you know, gotten out on. Not parole. I'm using the wrong verbiage here, but he had a hearing where maybe he could be on house arrest or something. Why would he have killed himself a few days before that hearing? His brother made that point, which I find to be very interesting. And again, a minute of the video is missing as well. So I do think that's. That's a little strange as well. Um, I don't know, guys.

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[Brian Shapiro]

Is, I don't know. I don't know what happened. What I do know is that Bongino has spread a lot of conspiracy theories. I'm not saying everything he said on his podcast is a lie. I'm sure he gets it right once in a while, but it makes him look really bad. As you agree, he talked about the Epstein files almost every day on his podcast. He had all those people looking like fools with the binders out there. I blame Pam Bondi for that one. And then all of a sudden, Donald Trump doesn't want to talk about it. It makes Dan Bongino look really bad.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I don't think Trump doesn't want to talk about it. He was exhausted by the constant like chimping from our side. And then he's like, fine, okay, we'll release the files. And then Congress passed a bipartisan bill to release the files.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, all of his supporters stupid for bringing it up.

[Tate Brown]

That's how Trump, Trump has always spoken like that. It's not, this is not a particular example of him like lashing out. I mean, this is pretty consistent with how Donald Trump communicates.

[Brian Shapiro]

He calling all of his supporters stupid.

[Phil Labonte]

Calling anyone that disagrees with him stupid. Can you give me one at all?

[Brian Shapiro]

Can you give me any other time in his presidency where he called literally all of his supporters stupid for bringing something up?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that he actually specifically said all of his supporters.

[Brian Shapiro]

He said anybody who brings it up is stupid.

[Phil Labonte]

So that's not all.

[Brian Shapiro]

Has been bringing it up the couple years. A little bit more than Democrats, Democrats.

[Phil Labonte]

Since Donald Trump got into office, the Democrats have been using this as a political.

[Tate Brown]

From Trump's perspective, this is a left wing attack on his presidency.

[Brian Shapiro]

The MAGA Republicans have been talking about this far more.

[Santa]

Trump.

[Tate Brown]

Trump's tuning into Fox News. That's where he thinks the base is. He's not tuning into like rumble like on Fox News. They're not really concerned. They're talking about like the economy, the day to day politico affairs. They're not like doing deep dives into the Epstein affairs.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, I don't think Dan Bongino has any credibility at all. That's just my personal opinion. I don't think Cash Patel does either. I thought Cash Patel would be the first one to be outed.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I think we can all guess that what your opinions are about people in the administration. It's pretty clear. But let me talk about Dan a.

[Ian Crossland]

Little because I think he served as Secret Service so there's some credibility for his life. He's wants to help. I mean, he's. Just because something is a conspiracy theory doesn't mean that it's not true. And just because you haven't found the evidence to prove it doesn't mean it's not true. Just that you don't have. It's an unproven theory.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, the 2020 election is unproven, but he still thinks that Donald Trump is.

[Ian Crossland]

Your last thing I'll say about Dan. I think earlier I said his audience is angry with him because he's been shut up up there. But I think he wants to come back and please, he wants to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

To his audience in a way that he can't do when he's in the government.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, and to Tate's point, like, this is something that we talked about on the show. There is a narrow group of people that feel very strongly about this. Right. They're very, very animated. They, they've. They care very deeply about the Epstein stuff, but that isn't the broad Republican Party. Overall, most people care about kitchen table issues. They care about the economy. They care about if they're going to be able to pay their kids bills.

[Brian Shapiro]

They care about health care.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, some do. Some. Most people, actually, most kitchen tables. Most Americans get their health care from their employer still, right? Most Americans do. So for most Americans, that's actually not something they worry about. People that don't. People that don't have health care, health insurance, obviously they do, but that's not. Neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is, Donald Trump, when he's talking, like Tate was saying, when he's talking about people, that when he insults the people that are bringing up Epstein, he is actually insulting a narrow, committed and very animated group of people. He's not talking about his.

[Brian Shapiro]

There are still a lot of Republicans that are very disappointed in Donald Trump because the Epstein files have not been released.

[Phil Labonte]

This is honestly a lot of people that are very animated, but it's not a lot when you consider how many people voted for Donald Trump. Trump. And how many people actually support the president.

[Brian Shapiro]

After the approval ratings in the 30s, then.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, because of the economy.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And after the infamous. After the infamous, like, blow up that you're talking about. I mean, his approval rating didn't budge. So it's like, if that were the case, there's really this large group of Republicans, like, their main issue was the Epstein files. They would have defected right away. And then on the opposite end, candidates that we've seen over the years that disagree that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Really.

[Tate Brown]

Well, there's.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, the reason why I disagree is Donald Trump was the guy that talked about grabbing women by the genitals. Donald Trump is the guy that. You're making my point for me. No one cared that you're making my point for me. So I don't think the. Epstein. Listen, listen, I. You guys are going to disagree with what I'm about to say, and it might be a little controversial, but I believe Donald Trump could sodomize a child on video and a portion of his base would still support him. That's why I call it a cult. It is a cult.

[Tate Brown]

Not the. But you're comparing something completely separately as, like, look, the, the Moral. The morality of Donald Trump was what was up for vote in the primaries of 2016. That was sized.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think a lot of Trump supporters care about morals. If they did, they wouldn't have voted for him.

[Phil Labonte]

So, I mean, well, again, it's like.

[Tate Brown]

This is like, they're not vot for a priest. They're voting for a president. I mean, we've had morally compromised presidents throughout history. This is just the way things operate in our lifetime.

[Brian Shapiro]

A president that has done some of the repugnant. Just, just the stuff about that, that he said about allegedly, Bill Clinton. Well, okay. Bill Clinton, allegedly. Okay, like, okay, so that's, that's just.

[Tate Brown]

Presidents that committed, like, war crimes.

[Phil Labonte]

George W. Bush.

[Tate Brown]

That's much more reprehensible than like, so.

[Brian Shapiro]

Bill Clinton I would not vote for because I do believe he's done so.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't care what you voted for.

[Tate Brown]

You were saying who is as morally repugnant as, like, you think you'd vote.

[Phil Labonte]

For Bill Clinton over Donald Trump.

[Brian Shapiro]

100. Yeah. So I don't think earlier, I don't think after a couple is murdered, Bill Clinton the next day would trash those people. That's exactly what Donald Trump did.

[Phil Labonte]

The other Dayton's alleged, you know, he's an alleged rapist, just like Donald Trump is an alleged rapist.

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Sure.

[Brian Shapiro]

But I still believe, I still believe Bill Clinton is a better leader than Donald Trump.

[Tate Brown]

But you've moved the gold, you've moved the goalpost. You're saying, name one president, we name like three. And then you're like, well, what about, like, how he handled Reiner? And it's like, what?

[Brian Shapiro]

That's not okay. So, so Bill Clinton is accused of. Of sexual abuse. Right. He was never found liable in a court of law the way Donald Trump was. Okay, so that's, that's number one. Those are allegations. Now, Donald Trump did cheat on Hillary Clinton. Yes, he did do that, and that was stupid and that was horrible and that was morally wrong. I completely agree.

[Phil Labonte]

Joe Biden's alleged to have. Have gone into the shower with his daughter.

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Daughter.

[Brian Shapiro]

There is a page in the diary that has not been confirmed. Alleged it was in. And you're comparing a page in a diary where his daughter allegedly said, borderline inappropriate. It is not borderline inappropriate to digitally use your fingers in a dressing room the way Donald Trump did. And a jury of his peers found that he penetrated her. And the judge characterized it as rape.

[Phil Labonte]

You're splitting hairs because we're talking about Bill Clinton, who's alleged to actually have Raped someone and who's.

[Brian Shapiro]

But you mentioned Joe Biden. I think morally you're comparing.

[Phil Labonte]

No, the point that we're making is it is not as if Donald Trump is some uniquely bad president or morally compromised person. I think, as opposed to other presidents.

[Brian Shapiro]

In the past, I think he is.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, I want to make.

[Ian Crossland]

A clear leadership because I think Trump has like a maybe, maybe arguably has a lower leadership score as a character because he's causing so much division in society than Bill Clinton. But that doesn't mean he hasn't done better things as a leader.

[Brian Shapiro]

Even with the lower score, you can.

[Ian Crossland]

Can accomplish greater stuff.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can you name me a former president that's ever attacked a POW for being captured?

[Tate Brown]

This again, this is, this is just like. What about us?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, no, it's the things that.

[Santa]

Well.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, you want about literally attacking POWs, dudes, issuing POWs, women of.

[Brian Shapiro]

Color, attacking women on looks. I can go on and on. Mexicans are rapists, but I suppose some of them are good people.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they killed a lot of our own POWs in Vietnam. They issued a lot of drone bombing campaigns. Trump hasn't done stuff like that. He has some value.

[Brian Shapiro]

And he dodged the military multiple times. He did.

[Ian Crossland]

What he's doing is he's helping us not become part of this banking order. He's trying to slow it down. That's Clinton wasn't. He was ramping it up with glass.

[Brian Shapiro]

We ended up, we ended. We ended in Bill Clinton's presidency with a surplus. Donald Trump got US $8.2 trillion in.

[Ian Crossland]

Debt because we were inflating the economy. In Clinton's campaign, you could, you could.

[Brian Shapiro]

You could blame who you want, but Donald Trump got us 8.2 million.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's not.

[Ian Crossland]

We're not. Situation right now. And he's.

[Phil Labonte]

This is already broken down into a big old, like, oh, Donald Trump's so bad. That's kind of, that's just kind of pointless, you know. So we're going to jump to this story here. Let's see. It is from Newswire on X. They're saying that AOC leads J.D. vance, 51 to 49 in a hypothetical 2028 poll from Veris.

[Brian Shapiro]

Really? Wow.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, look, it's interesting we might agree on this one.

[Phil Labonte]

It's very, very early.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

And I've been saying on the show that it is a bad idea to underestimate aoc. Whether or not you agree with her, whether or not you like her, I don't think that there's any of her policies that I personally agree with. But I do think that she's a skilled politician. I think that she wouldn't be in the situation that she's in now, basically being the face of the party right now. Right. At least on the national level. There are very few Democrats that have better name recognition than AOC or that people could pick out of a lineup. It's certainly not the. Not Hakeem Jeffries. I don't think AOC should run for president, but I do think that it is worth noting, you know, this early, a 51 to 49 lead when you've got JD Vance in the president. And of course, Donald Trump does have a bit of baggage right now. It is fresh off a big win. So that would affect J.D. vance too. But I'm interested in hearing.

[Tate Brown]

No, I want to say, I want to say this is 100% correct. If you're a Democrat, you should be throwing your full weight behind an AOC presenter run. Verisite is not a cut rate pollster at all. They're very reputable. They definitely got the 2016 election absolutely spot on. I think every Democrat should be riding with aoc. I think this is. This is your gal. This is your gal. Let's get this.

[Brian Shapiro]

I know what you're.

[Phil Labonte]

I know what you're. I know what you're saying, Tate. I know what you're doing.

[Tate Brown]

She's fantastic. I'm telling you. Look, she's blowing J.D. vance out. Come on, nominate her.

[Santa]

No.

[Brian Shapiro]

She's so viable.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that she.

[Tate Brown]

Veracyte's a great pollster.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that she's extremely dangerous and I think that she. I know that Tim disagrees and there's a lot of people that disagree with me, but I think she is very dangerous and I think that she could absolutely win.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I partially agree with you.

[Santa]

You.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think when Republicans attack her because she was a bartender, I think it's disgusting. I have a lot of respect for aoc. However, I don't think she should run for president. I think a vice president would be a better choice for her if it was against the J.D. vance. I could think of other people, not because he has the same last name as me, but Josh Shapiro. I'm thinking about the governor of Maryland. Obviously right now the front runner is Gavin Newsom. I think if it was a Gavin Newsom AOC ticket, it. I think that would work much better. This is the bottom line that Democrats need to understand. And some Democrats get very upset at me for saying this. Women are 0 and 2 against Donald Trump.

[Tate Brown]

Let's go.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't believe. And listen, I have no problem with a woman being a president. I voted for Kamala Harris. Happily, I would have voted for a ham sandwich over Donald Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

But then that's not saying anything about that fact that you'd voted for Kamala Harris.

[Brian Shapiro]

If you.

[Phil Labonte]

If she's going against Donald Trump, obviously you're going to vote for.

[Brian Shapiro]

But I'm just speaking in general terms who I think can win. I'd be very concerned. While I agree with some of the stuff you said, I think you have to put a man in there. And it's not because I don't like women. It's not because I don't think a woman could be president. I voted for Kamala. I would be concerned if she was running for president. I think Democrats right now need to learn from their mistakes. You know, Hillary and Kamala lost to Trump. Joe Biden won. So I think. I think the polls are. Listen, we're three hours out. I'm sorry. Three years out. I think it's a little early with these polls. I think you guys do have an issue with J.D. vance. He's not Donald Trump in the sense that he's not bringing people out the way Donald Trump did. Even though I despise Donald Trump, JD Fans certainly doesn't have the charisma, and he's not as well liked as. As certainly some of you would say Donald Trump is. So.

[Tate Brown]

I know. I agree. I think. I agree with Brian and he'll agree with me. We need to get these broads back to the kitchen.

[Brian Shapiro]

Get him out of here. I didn't say that. You sound like Myron Gaines now. I didn't say that.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, you know, you didn't. You didn't say it so, so colorfully.

[Brian Shapiro]

But it's not because I don't want them to be president. I don't think it's the same reason why, if Pete Buttigieg ran for president, by the way, I think Pete Buttigieg.

[Phil Labonte]

Is an extremely gaze under the bus.

[Brian Shapiro]

And I'm not trying to do that either. I think there are a lot of people out there that did not vote for Kamala Harris, sadly, because she's a woman.

[Phil Labonte]

You don't think that. You don't think that it was because of Kamala Harris as a person, as a candidate?

[Brian Shapiro]

What was wrong with her as a.

[Phil Labonte]

Person, as a candidate? She was. She was extremely unlikable. She had terrible, terrible charisma. Charisma. And most people vote charisma. Honestly, most people vote vibes. She was unlikable. She didn't win any of the primaries when she was running. She was out before she got to her home state because if she'd have gone in California, she'd have lost and her political clear career would have been over.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, well, sadly there are people out there that vote on charisma. I wish that wasn't the case. I wish people could be a little bit more informed and not vote for somebody because they make a joke. She only had three. Three months. It's one of my biggest criticisms of Joe Biden. Biden, he should have stepped down much earlier and if they had a primary, I would have been much better with that. They should have had that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but having a primary in ages.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, well, Joe Biden just. It's. Again, it's my biggest criticism of Joe Biden. He put his ego ahead of the country. He should have stepped down and he should have been a one term. He only gave her three months. Donald Trump had four years to campaign. She only had three months. I do not blame Kamala Harris. I do think her campaign was a little bit too careful with her. She should have done the Joe Rogan show. She should have done shows like this.

[Phil Labonte]

See, I think the reason that she didn't do those things is because of her lack of. She would have been terrible.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I disagree. I thought her interview on the Howard Stern show was a good one and I think that she should have done Joe Rogan. I think she was more than capable of doing it. Listen, it was an anti Donald Trump vote for me, okay? Kamala wasn't my first, second or third pick. Just like Joe Biden wasn't my first, second or 3rd pick. I think the Democrats do have some young skilled people. People aoc. I agree with what you just said. I think she's a decent human being. I don't always agree with her. I think some of her.

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[Brian Shapiro]

You know, the Green New Deal and stuff like that. A little bit too far to the left for me.

[Phil Labonte]

But what do you think the Inflation.

[Brian Shapiro]

Reduction act was I'm not a big fan. I'm not a big fan. I'll be honest with you. I'm pretty moderate when it comes to some policies, but I'm very much to the left when it comes to social media, social, social issues, and I'm not afraid of that. I voted for eight Republicans in the midterms. I did not vote for Barack Obama. I did not vote for Hillary Clinton. I thought John McCain could have been a really good president. I thought Mitt Romney would have been fine. I have respect for Mitt Romney. I have a lot of respect for aoc, but I just don't think that would be a smart decision for the Democrats.

[Ian Crossland]

You know why I didn't vote for Kamala and you said you voted against Trump and that you would have voted for Hanson.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think Kamala is a decent human being.

[Ian Crossland]

What I voted for was the system, because what they did was choose a candidate without bypassed the primary. I'm like, this is a bad precedent for the future of American democracy. They chose Hillary Clinton with. With super delegates. They set a precedent where the Democratic Party can select a candidate without the people's voice. I feel like that they call themselves Democratic, but that's a guise. It's actually the imperial economic order that's trying to control and turn us into a corporate government. So I voted against that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Mm. Well, there's a lot of people that I've. That I've spoken to, people that didn't vote vote. Now. They won't admit it publicly, but I do think that sadly, this makes me really sad to say this. There's a lot of people in this country that do not want to vote for a woman as President of the United States. Makes me very sad to say that the reason why I brought up people to judge is, yes, I think there is a percentage of people in this country that would not vote for him because he's gay. I hate saying that. I think it's awful. I think Pete Buttigieg would be a good candidate. But we have to look at the Democrat Party, have to look at the reality of the situation here. Who's electable and who's not.

[Ian Crossland]

You mentioned Gavin Newsom and. And aoc. I agree. I think that's the most powerful Democratic ticket we see. I see right now, and I'm wondering what you guys think.

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J.D.

[Ian Crossland]

Vance, obviously the front runner for the Republican Party, but who do you think would make a great VP for jd?

[Brian Shapiro]

Marco Rubio wants the job, and I think he's going to get it. I think that's the main reason why he took this position. And I think it will be JD Vance and Marco Rubio. And I absolutely believe that it's, it's going to be Gavin Newsom. Whether he picks AOC or not, I'm not sure. I think that would be a very intelligent move to make.

[Tate Brown]

So your politics where you, you supported John McCain tactically in a way, supported Mitt Romney, didn't want to vote for Obama.

[Santa]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And then you've had some, you know, hang ups with, with Biden, Kamala, et cetera, and then you' against Trump. To me, this sounds like someone that is just defending the status quo. And like, as a Zoomer, I'm 24. Everything around me is completely broken. The system has fundamentally failed in a variety of ways. And I just, for me, I just don't see how that's a defensible position to want to uphold the system.

[Brian Shapiro]

If we want to talk about policy, I'll tell you the issues that I have right now. I don't believe that giving the biggest tax breaks to the top 1%, which is $100 billion this year, is a good idea. I don't like the fact that 20 million people are going to be off their Medicai coverage in the big and beautiful bill. I don't like the fact that millions of people are going to lose their food stamps. I think we need to take care of people that are struggling. Donald Trump. The economy is very good for the richest people in this country. I don't like that. And I don't mean to sound like Bernie Sanders here, but the economy is in the crapper right now, five months in a row. Inflation has gone up. The unemployment rate when Joe Biden left office was at 4.1%. I believe it's hovering around 4.6, 4.7%. The private sector job growth is, is abysmal. It's terrible. And you guys admitted it. That's why his numbers are so bad in the 30s. Okay. His approval rating numbers, by the way, he didn't do what he said he was going to do.

[Phil Labonte]

The reason that his approval ratings are bad is because of the fact that people tend to pull away from the party that just won. So, but they're that historic.

[Brian Shapiro]

Joe Biden's numbers were not this low.

[Phil Labonte]

A year into his presidency historically.

[Tate Brown]

And I don't think it's going to be like, practical for an audience to like, compare economics numbers. That was my original question, was what about the system as it stands, do you see as defensible worth upholding? Because clearly, half the country voting for Trump indicates that people are very upset with the system. And on the Democrat side, voting for people like Zoran voting.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, half the country didn't necessarily vote for Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

Less than half, 77 million.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right. But less than half the people that went to the voter booth did not vote for Donald Trump. He did win the popular vote, but there's a lot of people that are very unhappy. There's a lot of people that thought this was America first agenda. When you bail out other countries in the way he has and you invite former Al Qaeda leaders to the White House and you do business with Qatar and you do business with the prince and you invite him to the White House, this is not an America first agenda. When you say 600,000 Chinese people should be coming to this country because we don't have enough talented people here, a lot of people were very pissed off at some of those things. This is not an America first agenda. So a lot of people are very upset.

[Phil Labonte]

So are you saying he should be more, that there should be a more America first agenda, or are you just pointing out things that other, other people.

[Brian Shapiro]

Saying why his numbers are so low and why so many of his supporters, I think, are jumping ship?

[Tate Brown]

Well, I understand criticisms of Trump from the right. I'm asking you what specifically about the system as it stands, can you not understand why people are supporting Donald Trump? Why people are supporting your Bernie Sanders?

[Brian Shapiro]

When you say system, be specific and give me something that the Democrats have put forth that you disagree with in regards to the system so I could be specific and giving you this, this.

[Tate Brown]

Post war consensus, this, this, this sort of liberalism as it stands is fundamentally failing people. You're seeing the suicide rate skyrocket, seeing depression numbers through the roof, substance abuse through the roof.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you're blaming the suicide numbers for what? I mean, I could talk about gun control and I can talk to you how easy it is for people to get their hands on guns. Suicide rates are through the roof. It's too easy for people to get their hands on guns that are mentally ill. I could talk to you about the.

[Tate Brown]

Suicide rate is also sky high in places with super tight.

[Brian Shapiro]

And which party is taking money away from allocating funds for people that are mentally ill, that need help. Which party is doing that?

[Tate Brown]

I don't think every single suicidal person is doing this because of lack of resources. I think they're doing it because of lack of say.

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't say every single person. All I'm saying is which party after a mass shooting talks about how we need to help mentally ill and which party is actually financially wanting to back.

[Tate Brown]

Because we already have enough. We have enough government programs to try and plug holes in this. But the reality is the system as it stands, is robbing people of purpose.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think you'd have to be specific again and give me a, you know, some policies, and then I might agree with you. I don't know. I mean, there are. I don't agree with Democrats on every policy. Yes, I don't agree that transgender genders should be competing with women on the playing field, but I also don't think that's a top 10 issue. Republicans are obsessed with banning books. They're obsessed with transgenders.

[Phil Labonte]

There's no banned books.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you.

[Phil Labonte]

If you're talking about.

[Brian Shapiro]

What do you mean they talk about.

[Phil Labonte]

If you're talking about curating books that are in public libraries, that's curation. That's a different thing. Any book that you want to get, any book that a liberal or some progressive or someone on the left wants to get, they can buy right from Amazon, and there is no issue getting it. So it's not banning books you're talking about. You have a problem with the way that the left or with the way that the right curates books that are in public library.

[Brian Shapiro]

What I will say is the Republicans talk about these books a lot. That's a big topic for them.

[Phil Labonte]

I can, I can go to not banning, though. It's curating what is in public libraries or in school. If something is curation is not banning. That's totally different.

[Brian Shapiro]

So here's the point that I was trying to make. When you look at, I believe it's the second leading cause of death in children under 16, gun violence, and it's.

[Phil Labonte]

Not the second leading cause of death in children.

[Brian Shapiro]

What is it? What number is it?

[Tate Brown]

I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know what it is, but it's not the second.

[Brian Shapiro]

I thought it was the second. I could be wrong on that. But I think we all could agree here. You know, children getting gunned down in schools is horrible. It's terrible. But I feel like MAGA Republicans particularly care more about drag queens. And they make it sound like drag queens are more of a threat, you know, to children in this country. Country than all the gun violence we have. And I think that is. I'm very passionate about that. I grew up right down the road from Sandy Hook in Connecticut. And, you know, have you ever seen a Democrat on a campaign ad brag about their A plus rating from the nra? It's all Republicans. Have you ever seen a Democrat?

[Phil Labonte]

There used to be program Democrats, but.

[Brian Shapiro]

Also used to be.

[Tate Brown]

But this is, this is, this is dancing around. The main sort of point I'm trying to get to is drag queens as they exist, are downstream from what is the issue fundamentally. There's people in the United States and the west broadly, have been robbed of their identity. And so they, they just gravitate. They believe it's something that's transient, something that can just move around. Gun violence is just a method.

[Brian Shapiro]

Who's. How are you robbed of your identity? Explain that to me. How are people being robbed of your identity?

[Tate Brown]

Because if you're like, if you're born as a woman and then you get deracinated and you're like, okay, maybe I can. This, this new post war consensus, this, this liberal.

[Brian Shapiro]

But who's. Who's forcing children to be transgender?

[Tate Brown]

Who's doing the system at large? Because there's no system.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes, because there's, there's a very broad statement.

[Tate Brown]

Because there's, there's no sense of. There's no. So you think there's no emphasis of identity.

[Brian Shapiro]

So telling children it's okay to be transgender, you're not. You're not okay with that?

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, I'm not. Not okay with that at all. They're children. They're not.

[Brian Shapiro]

So. So if a children asks a question, what is transgender? The teacher shouldn't be allowed to ask. Answer.

[Phil Labonte]

That's something that parents should talk about, to be honest. But to be honest with you, the idea that children have to know about this stuff, I totally reject.

[Brian Shapiro]

Depends on how old they are. There are. It depends. I think it depends on how old they are. But the idea that Donald Trump says, you drop off your children at school and then they come home another gender is a joke. That's not happening. It's not an easy thing to do. You have to talk to doctors, you have to talk to therapists, you have to get parental consent in most cases.

[Phil Labonte]

Depends on where you are.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes, it depends on where you are.

[Tate Brown]

Clearly. It's clearly coming from somewhere because we're seeing, as each generation passes, the doubling of LGBT identification with.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know why? You know why? Because maybe, maybe people find it to be a little bit more socially acceptable to be gay now than it was maybe 20, 30 years.

[Phil Labonte]

If that were the case, then why.

[Ian Crossland]

Is it very different?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you guys think one day a child or a teenager just says, hey, I think I'm going to like men now because my teacher said it's okay.

[Ian Crossland]

Is That I think it's not about gay. It's about being transgender, which means that you think you're not in the right body, which is like a dysmorphia thing that can happen to kids if they don't.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why do we want to get involved? Listen to professionals.

[Tate Brown]

Because there's a massive incentive structure bending towards it. Of course there is, yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

What's the incentive structure?

[Tate Brown]

Well, among. There's economic benefits. You have, like, there is. You have DEI principles that sort of benefit you in college admissions if you're part of the lgbt. So broadly, it's also culturally, it is the cool. The cool in thing.

[Brian Shapiro]

So people are getting advantages in society because they're transgender? Yes, yes, that. I haven't heard that before. I think it's actually the opposite. I think a lot of these people are discriminated against.

[Santa]

Against. No.

[Ian Crossland]

I have a stat update for you all.

[Tate Brown]

They cannot be discriminated against. And actually, now there's quotas.

[Brian Shapiro]

They still are, though. Just because the law says you can't discriminate doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[Tate Brown]

You have weapons at your disposal to sue. I mean, I understand why.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't understand why Republicans are obsessed.

[Tate Brown]

Companies like, have it out for trans people is just not happening whatsoever.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think in this society, if you are gay or if you are transgender, I think that that group of people are discriminated a lot more against than people that are like us.

[Phil Labonte]

Not nowadays, not now.

[Tate Brown]

It's.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's like, how is a white male our age being discriminated against? Because the color of our skin or our sexuality. We don't have to look up an article. Just tell me.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, it's discriminated in. In hiring, in. In school, college admissions. If you look at the number of what, young white men.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're talking about affirmative action. Is that. Is that what you're referring to when it comes to college admissions?

[Phil Labonte]

I'm talking about. I'm about talking about. Is particularly in the workplace. But workplaces are saying we need to. To focus on diversity, and we're not going to hire white.

[Brian Shapiro]

So you think even.

[Tate Brown]

We even saw it with the last election where Biden's like, I'm going to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Pick a few as a question then. In society right now, would you rather be a white male or would you rather be a gay black male? What would you rather be?

[Santa]

Me.

[Tate Brown]

I'd rather be me.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay.

[Tate Brown]

My identity is intrinsic to me. It's biased.

[Brian Shapiro]

Transgenders and homosexuals are treated better than the average straight white male in this Country. I disagree. I disagree with you.

[Ian Crossland]

So I think they're in a lot of stress.

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[Tate Brown]

Well, because they're in. They're under stress because it's not a. It's. It's a corrosive. It's a. It's a sort of state of being that is corrosive to the soul in many ways.

[Brian Shapiro]

Why is being gay corrosive to the system?

[Tate Brown]

It's corrosive to your system.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't want to conflate gay and trim.

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[Tate Brown]

They're just important though, because having being married in a happy marriage with a woman and having children is like naturally beneficial. Beneficial to the soul.

[Brian Shapiro]

So your opinion, which is fine. I respect your opinion. If you think naturally marrying a woman and having kids is. Is better for your soul, that's fine. But not everybody thinks like you. And everybody is different. Most people that are gay, including George Santos, who happens to be a friend of mine, told me he knew he was gay when he was five years old. It wasn't a choice. Why would you say it's corrosive to somebody when it's not even their choice?

[Phil Labonte]

We haven't made the argument that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, you just said it was.

[Phil Labonte]

No, we haven't. Made the argument that being gay is a choice. We made the argument that transgenderism is a choice.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right, but you said being gay is corrosive. You said the lifestyle of being gay is corrosive.

[Tate Brown]

And I would say they're much more unhappy. The suicide rates far higher. The substance abuse rate is far higher.

[Brian Shapiro]

Did you ever think that maybe the suicide rate is more higher because of the way people treat them in society.

[Tate Brown]

Advertisements and, like, getting put on the COVID of every fashion magazine? Like, in what way? I mean, I would have bought this argument in, like, the 60s.

[Brian Shapiro]

No. Maybe being hazed when you were a kid. And maybe people like you telling people that you're corrosive even though it's not your choice.

[Tate Brown]

They are corrosive. Said the action is corrosive, which makes them corrosive.

[Brian Shapiro]

Their behavior is corrosive.

[Tate Brown]

Any human being.

[Ian Crossland]

To the soul was the specific quote.

[Tate Brown]

There's a lot of action.

[Brian Shapiro]

Fundamentally. This is just where I think we dis fundamentally here. I don't care what your sexuality is. I don't care whether you're transgender or not. It certainly doesn't affect me in a negative way. I want people to live their lives and be happy, and I want the government out of their lives. I don't want to treat people with disrespect or call them. Their behavior corrosive just because their sexuality is different than me. I do agree with you.

[Tate Brown]

You keep mischaracterizing. I said corrosive to your soul. This action does impact you. And then, yes, people. The transgender movement at large has affected everybody, like, because all society is. Is a makeup. It's a conglomeration of individuals. And so when you have a large proportion of individuals behaving in a certain way, that's going to have an impact on society.

[Brian Shapiro]

Would you not vote for somebody because of their sexuality?

[Tate Brown]

It depends on who it is.

[Ian Crossland]

Is.

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, is that a factor to you? It doesn't matter.

[Tate Brown]

Factor. Yeah.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, so. So it's corrosive.

[Tate Brown]

Single man is a factor to me. Like, I would have hang ups if, like, someone was running for president, they were a single man. There's a lot of factors.

[Brian Shapiro]

What about somebody that cheats on every woman he's ever been with? Is that corrosive to the soul as well? Yeah, that is a fact.

[Tate Brown]

Absolutely. Trump's morality was a factor in supporting.

[Brian Shapiro]

But it wasn't enough for you to say, look at the options.

[Tate Brown]

I would vote for a gay guy. Like, that's, that's not, like, the deciding factor is just a factor.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Brian Shapiro]

I guess, I don't know. It's just me. I don't care what someone's sexuality is. I don't think they're corrosive just because they're different than me. Saying that over their behavior is corrosive.

[Tate Brown]

Being gay is not corrosive to my soul. It's corrosive to their soul.

[Phil Labonte]

The argument that he was making is that part of the reason why people are depressed or part of the reason why there's such depression and stuff is because it's corrosive to their soul, not because they are corrosive to themselves or to others.

[Tate Brown]

And likewise, that's why you're seeing like right now with like this incel thing that's happening again, that is a behavior. Not having companionship is corrosive to your soul. If you hate women, that's going to be corrosive to your soul. Anything that is outside of this natural order is going to cause you grief. Like, I don't. I think even gay people would agree with me, as they would say, yeah, the not being able to have like this, you know, sort of traditional marriage. Not being able to procreate, like, yeah, that's. It sucks. And that's why gay people often will say, say like, I don't. If I had kids, I wouldn't want them to be gay. They say this all the time.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, like I said, in most cases it's not a choice. I don't care what people do behind closed doors so long as it's not illegal. I disagree with you. I don't think that behavior is corrosive to the soul. I think if you're, if you're going back to religious purposes or the Bible, I could care less what a book says.

[Tate Brown]

Never once alluded to the Bible.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm just speaking in general terms. I'm not saying you said that. Yeah, but I think this is the problem in society in general. I think we are too judgmental of other people based on their behavior. That might not be exactly the way you want it for you. And you know what I say? Be happy, marry somebody, have as many kids as you want. Just don't judge other people because they're not like you, that's all.

[Tate Brown]

Do you think the issue in today's society is that not enough people are being told?

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes, I think the issue in society is too many people are being told. Told this is right and this is wrong. We could be talking about religion.

[Tate Brown]

Objective morality.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes. We could be talking about religion. My religion is right. Everybody else's religion is wrong. There's a lot of people that think like that and I think they're sick. All sorts of different. Well, all sorts of different religions. Who are you to tell somebody that they're right and you're wrong? You don't know who God is. You've never met God. You've never met him. You don't know. No, you don't. You don't know. If there's life after death. You can say you do, but you don't.

[Santa]

There is.

[Brian Shapiro]

I could say that the tooth fairy is God. We don't know.

[Santa]

Know.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, you can believe what you want to believe.

[Tate Brown]

This can turn into a theology debate.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's a faith. You have the right to believe in what you want to believe in.

[Tate Brown]

What I'm, what I'm saying is that there is objective morality and objective truth.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes.

[Tate Brown]

And that it would be nice if the incentive structures in the United States and the west largely would bend towards objective truth.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I don't think being. Let me let you get this in rhyme, but let me say this. I don't think being gay is closer to the soul so much as getting it on with too many people. People and maybe guys, because of their testosterone, get it on more than girls and, and two gay dudes might get.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know what I think is part.

[Phil Labonte]

Of the reason why, part of the reason why the multiple partners has, has such a, a, a, a promiscuous thing about it is because there isn't the mediating factor of women. Right. Like women are like the, the, the hold on. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. When you take women out of it, you end up with an extreme, seemingly promised much more.

[Ian Crossland]

Carnal promiscuousism can cause corrosivity. I mean, if you believe in the virtue of, of chastity, which is like save it for your woman or save it for your partner.

[Brian Shapiro]

I've heard people say that gay men and gay women don't raise children as well as a man and a woman does. I've heard all sorts of theories and, and here's the bottom line. I've seen straight men and straight women horrible parents. I'm sure you guys would agree it's a case by case basis. And, and I just get frustrated when people make judgments about an entire group of people because they. Well, let me talk about trans.

[Tate Brown]

Do you not think that children have a right to a father and a Mother.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think children have a right to parents. And you don't think a father and.

[Phil Labonte]

A mother are important?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think parents are very important.

[Phil Labonte]

We specifically. I'm specifically. Whether it's a father, I'm specifically asking.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think that the best, best option for children is to have a mother and a father?

[Brian Shapiro]

I think if it's two fathers or two mothers, I'd be just as. I'm just as fine.

[Phil Labonte]

You do not think that children are better served when there is a father and a mother? You think that it is fine if it is two mothers or two fathers?

[Brian Shapiro]

I mean, if you could show me a study that shows otherwise, then I'd be open to looking at it. No, I answered you. There's a lot of men and women that are horrible parents out there. And I can also tell you that there are gay parents that are wonderful parents. It's a case by case basis and I don't think their sexuality has anything to do with it.

[Tate Brown]

I guess the original question is, do children have a right to a father and a mother for the same reason that it's, it's like, yes, it's a tragedy for the child when they are raised in like a single parent household. It's unfortunate. It's not.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's what I think is a more important issue than what we're talking about.

[Tate Brown]

Because it's the same thing. It's like, because you need that masculine feminine influence when you're growing up.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I don't think it's the same thing when you're raised by one parent as opposed to being raised by two parents. Two that happen to be men or two happen to be women. I don't think that's the same thing at all.

[Tate Brown]

So you think like three parents is even better?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I didn't say that either.

[Tate Brown]

Well, then what, what's so special about too?

[Brian Shapiro]

What's so special? Well, what do you mean what's so special about?

[Tate Brown]

You're asking me three parents and then you say one parent as you say.

[Brian Shapiro]

Three parents have three parents. A lot of kids have three parents. There's their stepfathers, their stepmothers. I mean, there's a lot of situations that's completely different.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a good argument, Tate. I think it's the duality of man and woman that make baby that makes us think that it's important to have two parents.

[Tate Brown]

No, it's. It is because again, as a human being, you need a mother, you need a father, fathers, and yet not. I, I mean, I come, you know, my household, you know, there's. It's not optimal.

[Brian Shapiro]

I love my parents. I have a father and a mother, and I have kids. My do not.

[Tate Brown]

My father and my father and mother are terrific. And what I'm saying, what I was alluding to is that without both of their influences, I don't know how it turned out.

[Brian Shapiro]

Maybe I would turn around. And that's great. And that's great. I. I feel the same way about my parents, and I would.

[Tate Brown]

And I would want that for every child.

[Brian Shapiro]

All I can tell you is that there are kids out there that are. That grow up to be pretty awesome people, and they. They have two fathers and two mothers. And, you know, I guess it goes back to the original argument that I was trying to make, is that I don't want to interfere in other people's lives. I want people to be happy. I don't care what their sexuality is. You know, that. That's kind of fundamentally my personal opinion on where I stand on all this stuff. I just want people stay out of people's private lives.

[Tate Brown]

I just don't think that society has benefited from telling people yes to everything. It's. Everything has gone backwards. Everything's gotten worse. People need regardless rails.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I agree. And it doesn't seem like our president has many guardrails. No, I think we need. I think we need guardrails.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, no, no. That's what it's getting. Of course we need.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, but of course we need guardrails.

[Tate Brown]

You just said we don't. You just said whatever happens behind closed doors.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, no, no, no.

[Tate Brown]

That's the opposite of guardrails.

[Brian Shapiro]

What I'm talking about is somebody's sexuality, whether they want to be gay or straight.

[Tate Brown]

Sexuality has guardrails. That's why rape is illegal. That's why.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but we're talking.

[Tate Brown]

Pornography is like disadvant. That's bad for you.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not comparing. I'm not talking about rape to. To. To somebody who happens to be gay.

[Tate Brown]

I didn't say you were saying that. Obviously, you're arguing that we don't need guardrails. But we do need guardrails.

[Brian Shapiro]

When it comes to raping somebody and breaking the law, we're not. Right, but we're not. We're talking about homosexuality and parenting.

[Tate Brown]

It's completely.

[Santa]

I agree.

[Tate Brown]

It's not.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's a totally different realm of conversation.

[Tate Brown]

What I was saying is that, yes, you do believe in guardrails, and so.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, of course, you can't break the law and rape people and sexually assault people.

[Tate Brown]

Right. So for trying to achieve the best possible sort of flourishment for human beings things guardrails are important because people when left to their own devices.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

It's very rare that someone's gonna make the best possible decision.

[Brian Shapiro]

Obviously.

[Tate Brown]

That's why the United States government.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

That's why I like hard drugs are illegal because unfortunately when people get addicted to heroin, they can't help but get more heroin. Like it's. Of course it's something. Again, that's.

[Brian Shapiro]

We are not doing a good enough job in this country when it comes to addiction in general. And, and I agree with you.

[Tate Brown]

But if someone's doing heroin in the privacy of their own home, why do you care? It doesn't affect you.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, first of all, we're talking about talking about sex and we're talking about.

[Tate Brown]

Two men or two women. I don't care what people do in the privacy of their own home.

[Brian Shapiro]

I was referring to sex and what they do in the bedroom. I was not referring to doing drugs which can kill you.

[Tate Brown]

Poor outcome for your life.

[Brian Shapiro]

Those are two completely different things.

[Tate Brown]

So in one instance, you are advocating for the government to intervene when the outcome of someone's life is threatened, but in the realm of sexuality, it's completely irrelevant.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. Because when two men or two women are having sex, I would never compare that to somebody that's taking heroin. But those are two different. Two different things.

[Ian Crossland]

If it's like. Okay, the argument generally from the right that I've discerned over the last few years is that you have to protect children from devious parents, people that would sexually abuse their children or whatever. So if they're people are getting. Getting sexualized imagery and metaphors and ideas into like 8 year olds and 7 year olds.

[Brian Shapiro]

Of course that's wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

And they're concerned that just by bringing up transgender, you are bringing up sexuality to a six year old. That it's.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And for the TV to do it, a corporation have commercials about it. It's like homie. That's the argument. I have a hard time refuting it because I think we need censorship, which just needs to be righteous. You need to agree as a society what to censor when and where and what to protect kids. You don't want them to see blown open body parts on tv.

[Santa]

Right.

[Tate Brown]

Well, again. Cause censorship is something that comes into place when you are trying to guide for specifically children towards the best possible outcome.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's parenting.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's parenting, but the state has. Because the parents can't be in control of everything.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah. I don't believe that the 300,000 teachers that are in this country, country that there's a lot of teachers out there that are telling 8, 9 year olds that they should be transgender or you should wear this or that.

[Tate Brown]

So you've said that the only reason that we're seeing LGBT identification double is.

[Brian Shapiro]

Didn't say it was the only reason because it's like. Yeah, I didn't say it was the only reason. But I can tell you that I know. Well, I can tell you that a lot of people that I know that happen to be gay have told me that they felt very uncomfortable to come out 10, 15, 20 years ago and they do feel more comfortable to come out now. I'm not saying it's the only reason. I'm not even saying maybe it's the main, main reason, but it's certainly one of the reasons. And I've talked to people about that. There's a lot of people that we're.

[Phil Labonte]

Going to jump this here. We're going to go to the President's remarks right now.

[Santa]

Good evening America. Eleven months ago, I inherited a mess and I'm fixing it. When I took office, inflation was the worst.

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[Santa]

In 48 years and some would say in the history of our country country which caused prices to be higher than ever before, making life unaffordable for millions and millions of Americans. This happened during a Democrat administration and it's when we first began hearing the word affordability. Our border was open and because of this, our country was being invaded by an army of 25 million people. Many who came from prisons and jails, mental institutions and insane asylums. They were drug dealers, gang members and even 11,888 murderers, more than 50% of whom killed more than one person. This is what the Biden administration allowed to happen to our country and it can never be allowed to happen again. We had men playing in women's sports. Transgender for everybody, everybody. Crime at record levels with law enforcement and words such as that just absolutely forbidden. We had the worst trade Deals ever made. And our country was laughed at from all over the world. But they're not laughing anymore. Over the past 11 months, we have brought more positive change to Washington than any administration in American history. There's never been anything like it, and I think most would agree. I was elected in a landslide, winning the popular vote and all seven swing states and everything else with a mandate to take on a sick and corrupt system that really just took the wealth from people and crushed the dreams of the American people. For the last four years years, the United States was ruled by politicians who fought only for insiders, illegal aliens, career criminals, corporate lobbyists, prisoners, terrorists, and above all, foreign nations which took advantage of us at levels never seen before. They flooded your cities and towns with illegal aliens, they decimated your hard earned savings, they indoctrinated your children with, with hate for America. Released, really. I mean, they just released a level of violent felons that we had never seen to prey on innocent. They caused war, they caused mayhem, they caused a horrible situation all over the globe. But now you have a President who fights for the law abiding, hardworking people of our country. The ones who make this nation run, who make this nation work. And after just one year, we have achieved more than anyone could have imagined. Starting on day one, I took immediate action to stop the invasion of our southern border. For the past seven months, zero illegal aliens have been allowed into our country. A feat which everyone said was absolutely impossible. Do you remember when Joe Biden said that he needed Congress to pass legislation to help close the border border. He was always blaming Congress and everyone else. As it turned out, we didn't need legislation, we just needed a new president. We inherited the worst border anywhere in the world. And we quickly turned it into the strongest border in the history of our country. In other words, in a few short months we went from worst to best. We're deporting criminals, restoring safety to our most dangerous cities. Just take a look at Washington D.C. it's at levels of safety that we've never seen before. And they decimated the bloodthirsty foreign drug cartels. We did that all by ourselves, with our people. And we're so proud of it because they were poisoning and destroying our population. Drugs brought in by ocean and by sea are now down 94%. We have broken the grip of sinister woke radicals in our schools. And control over those schools is back now in the hands of our great and loving states where education belongs. After rebuilding the United States military in my first term, and with the addition we are Adding right now we have the most powerful military anywhere in the world and it's not even close. I've restored American strength, settled eight wars in 10 months, destroyed the Iran nuclear threat and ended the war in Gaza, bringing for the first time in 3,000 years peace to the Middle east and secured the release of the hostages, both living and dead. Here at home we are bringing our economy back from the brink of ruin. The last administration and their allies in Congress looted our treasury for trillions of dollars, driving up prices and everything at levels never seen before. I am bringing those high prices down and bringing them down very fast. Let's look at the facts. Under the Biden administration, car prices rose 22% and in many states 30% or more. Gasoline rose 30 to 50%, hotel rates rose 37%, airfares rose 31%. Now under our leaders leadership, they are all coming down and coming down fast. Democrat politicians also sent the cost of groceries soaring, but we are solving that too. The price of a Thanksgiving Turkey was down 33% compared to the Biden last year. The price of eggs is down 82% since March and everything else is falling rapidly.

[Ian Crossland]

Anyone else feel like this is just noise?

[Santa]

Not Dutch yet, but boy are we making progress. Nobody can believe what's going on here are just some of the efforts that we have underway. You will see in your wallets and bank accounts in the new year. After years of record setting falling incomes, our policies are boosting take home pay at a historic pace. Under Biden, real wages plummeted by $3,000. Under Trump, the typical factory worker is seen as a wage increase of $1,300. For construction workers, it's $1,800. For miners, we're bringing back clean, beautiful coal is $3,300. And for the first time in years, wages are rising much faster than inflation. Remember that rate wages, Just look at it. Wages are going up much faster than inflation. How big is that? Very importantly, there are more people working today than at any time in American history. And 100% of all jobs created since I took office have been in the private sector. Think of that. 100% of all jobs have been in the private sector rather than government, which is the only way to make a country powerful and great. Doge might take a this historic trend will continue. Already. Already I've secured a record breaking $18 trillion of investment into the United States, which means jobs, wage increases, growth, factory openings and far greater national security. Much of this success has been accomplished by tariffs, my favorite word, tariffs, which for many Decades have been used successfully by other countries against us, but not anymore. Anymore companies know that if they build in America, there are no tariffs. And that's why they're coming home to the USA in record numbers. They're building factories and plants at levels we haven't seen. AI automobiles. We're doing what nobody thought was even possible, not even remotely possible. There's never, frankly been anything like it. One year ago, our country was dead. We were absolutely dead. Our country was ready to fail, Totally failed. Now we're the hottest country anywhere in the world. And that's said by every single leader that I've spoken to over the last five months. Next year you will also see the results of the largest tax cuts in American history that were really accomplished through our great big beautiful bill, perhaps the most sweeping legislation ever passed in Congress. Congress, we wrapped 12 different bills up into one beautiful bill that includes no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security for our great seniors. Under these cuts, many families will be saving between 11,000 and $20,000 a year. And next spring is projected to be the largest tax refund season season of all time because of tariffs. Along with the just passed one big beautiful bill. Tonight I am also proud to announce that more than 1,450 thousand. Think of this. 1,450,000 military service members will receive a special we call Warrior dividend before Christmas. A warrior dividend dividend. In honor of our Nation's founding in 1776. We are sending every soldier $1,776. Think of that. And the checks are already on the way. Nobody understood that one until about 30 minutes ago. We made a lot more money than anybody thought because of tariffs. And the bill helped us along. Nobody deserves it more than our military. And I say congratulations. Congratulations to everybody. And by the way, we now have record enlistment in our military. And last year we had among the worst recruitment numbers in our military's history. What a difference a year makes. In addition, I'm doing what no politician of either party has ever done, standing up to the special interest to dramatically reduce the price of prescription drugs. I negotiated directly with the drug companies and foreign nation nations which were taking advantage of our country for many decades to slash prices on drugs and pharmaceuticals by as much as 400, 500 and even 600%. In other words, your drug costs will be plummeting downward. And I used the threat of tariffs to get foreign countries who would never have done it to pay the cost of this giant dollar reduction. They stopped Stop ripping us off. And it began as of four days ago.

[Ian Crossland]

You can't cut anything like this.

[Santa]

In the history of our country, drugs have only gone up, but now they'll be going down by numbers never conceived possible. It's called most favored nation. The new president has ever had the courage or ability to get this done until now. The first of these unprecedented price reductions will be available starting in January through a new website, trumprx.gov and these big price cuts will greatly reduce the cost of healthcare. I'm also taking on the gigantic health insurance companies that have gotten rich on billions of dollars of money that should go directly to the people. The money should go to the people, that's you. So they can buy their own health insurance which will give far better benefits at much lower cost. It will be far better health insurance. The current Unaffordable Care act was created to make insurance companies rich. It was bad health care at much too high a cost. And you see that now in the steep increase in premiums being demanded by the Democrats and they are demanding those increases and it's their fault. It is not the Republicans fault, it's the Democrats fault. It's the Unaffordable Care act and everybody knew it. Again, I want the money to go directly to the people so you can buy your own healthcare. You get much better healthcare at a much lower price. The only losers will be insurance companies that have gotten rich and the Democrat party, which is totally controlled by those same insurance companies. They will not be happy. But that's okay with me because you, the people, are finally going to be getting great health care at a lower cost. Costs. Another major focus is the cost of energy. For years, the radical left Democrats exploited the green energy scam as an excuse to funnel many billions of dollars into their own massive slush funds. As their energy restrictions drastically drove up prices and they drove them up at record levels. Electricity costs surged 30 to 100% under Biden. And the typical family lost 5,000 to $10,000 dollars in higher energy costs. Think of that 5,000 to $10,0000 you lost on day one. I declared a national energy emergency. Gasoline is now under $2.50 a gallon. And much of the country, in some states, it by the way, just hit $1.99 a gallon. And within the next 12 months we will have opened 1,600 new electrical generating plants around record. And it's a record that won't be beaten by practically, I would say by anybody or certainly not very soon. Prices on electricity and everything else will fall Dramatically the Democrat inflation disaster again, the worst in the history of our country, also rob millions of Americans of homeownership and indeed the American dream. The yearly cost of a typical new mortgage increases by $15,000 under Democrat rule. In 11 months we've already gotten that annual cost down by $3,000 and it's coming down a lot lower. Wait till you see, the numbers are going to be shocking. And I'll soon announce our next chairman of the Federal Reserve, someone who believes in lower interest rates by a lot. And mortgage payments will be coming down even further early the new year and you will see this. In the new year I will announce some of the most aggressive housing reform plans in American history. A major factor in driving up housing costs was the colossal border invasion. We have never been invaded. This is the worst thing that frankly in my opinion the worst thing that the Biden administration did to our country is the invasion at the border. Border. The last administration and their allies in Congress brought in millions and millions of migrants and gave them taxpayer funded housing while your rent and housing costs skyrocketed. Over 60% of growth in the rental market came from foreign migrants. At the same time, illegal aliens stole American jobs and flooded emergency rooms getting free health care and education paid for by you, the American taxpayer. They also increased the cost of law enforcement by numbers so high that they are not even to be mentioned. For the first time in 50 years, we are now seeing reverse migration as migrants go back home leaving more housing and more jobs for Americans. In the year before my election, all net creation of jobs was going to foreign migrants. Since I took office, office, 100% of all net job creation has gone to American born citizens. 100%. In the end, government either serves the productive patriotic, hard working American citizen or it serves those who break the laws, cheat the system and seek power and profit at the expense of our nation. Look at Minnesota where Somalians have taken over the economics of the state state and have stolen billions and billions of dollars from Minnesota and indeed from the United States of America. And we're going to put an end to it. For so long as before my election, the vast majority of good and decent Americans were forced to watch as corrupt politicians plundered the halls of power, exploited our taxpayers and pillaged every system that makes civilized society function. But not anymore. And you see that every day. Not anymore. We're putting America first and we are making America great again. Very simple. We are making America great again. Tonight. After 11 months, our border is secure, inflation has stopped, wages are up, prices are Down. Our nation is strong. America is respected. And our country is back, stronger than ever before. War. We're poised for an economic boom the likes of which the world has never seen. Soon we will host the World cup and the Olympics, both of which I got. But most importantly, we will celebrate the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. There could be no more fitting tribute to this epic milestone than to complete the comeback of America. America that began just one year ago. When the world looks at us next year, let them see a nation that is loyal to its citizens, faithful to its workers, confident to its identity, certain to its destiny and the envy of the entire globe. We are respected again like we have never been respected before. To each and every one of you, have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year here. God bless you all.

[Tate Brown]

So true. Well, that was basically a long winded way of announcing the Warrior Dividend.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, essentially. I mean, I, I'm. I'm a little surprised. I was expecting it to be about Venezuela. I knew it was not going to be just. You thought it was going to be a glaze fest.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Self glaze. And then announce, like something cool. So the Warrior Dividend.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I actually kind of agree with it personally. The Warrior Dividend. $7776. 77 or something like that. I think that the reason he's doing it is because it's paying them from the tariffs that we've created. And the reason our tariffs are effective is because of our military force. The threat of our military force. The military has a lot to do with that. A lot of our way of life lies on the backs of those people. So I'm Especially the way that some of them had to resign through the COVID Whatever you want to call it, experience, because they weren't getting vaccinated. They refused, and they'd be discharged. So this is one wonderful. I'm not even like, I don't want to go conquer the earth or anything like that, but this is. That was a very nice thing to hear.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I think we all could probably agree that facts do matter. And I just quickly just wrote down all the lies. First of all, he said, quote, all prices are coming down. I just want to remind everybody that inflation has gone up for the fifth straight month in a row. He bragged about job growth.

[Phil Labonte]

Inflation's not prices, though. Inflation is.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand that, but inflation has gone up five months in a row. That's. And by the way, all prices are not coming down. Just ask people that go to the Grocery store. There are some, you know, eggs and some other things, but not all prices are coming down. Also, he bragged about the job growth. We had some of the worst private sector job growth that it has been abysmal. He talked about unemployment, which is incredible because when Joe Biden left office, it was at 4.1%. It's now at 4.7%.

[Phil Labonte]

Isn't there? The reason that the unemployment is higher is because of a lot of the cuts that have been made to the government.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's a part of it. But when you say that the unemployment numbers are at all time high, all time lows, it's a lie. And when he talks about peace in the Middle east, he said that. And then the next day, Hamas and Israel broke the cease fire agreement. There is not peace in the Middle East. Hamas was going door to door executing people.

[Ian Crossland]

I can kind of get behind that one.

[Phil Labonte]

We finally saw Palestinians, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

He said that there was peace in Gaza. There is not peace in Gaza. There is not peace in the Middle East.

[Phil Labonte]

But that's not, that's not war with Israel anymore. That's Gaza executing Palestinians.

[Brian Shapiro]

But when you say there is peace in the Middle east and when Israel breaks a ceasefire and Hamas breaks a ceasefire, that is not my definition of peace. When he keeps saying.

[Phil Labonte]

But again, I think that it's, I think that what you're talking about is a different thing. Hamas is killing Palestinians. That's not. I mean, unless you're making the argument that Hamas is actually having a war.

[Brian Shapiro]

Against Palestinians, somebody says there's peace in the Middle East.

[Phil Labonte]

Again, if you're talking about Hamas killing Palestinians, that's not war, that's Hamas killing Palestinians. Because that's a, that's essentially the governing body.

[Tim Pool Sponsor Speaker]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

Because they, they've been elected in, in Gaza. But that's Hamas killing their own people.

[Brian Shapiro]

That's not my definition of peace in the Middle east would be not breaking a ceasefire, which Israel and Hamas did. There is not peace in Gaza, like he said. He also, also said we're giving all these tax cuts the biggest in American history. Well, he mentioned the big and beautiful bill and I mentioned a hundred billion dollars in tax cuts this year to the top 1%. That's. And he also said checks are on the way. I remember Doge saying that we were all going to get five thousand dollar checks. Do you remember that? When Trump was bragging about that, did you guys ever get that check? I never got a $5,000 check from Doge, but I'm sure those checks are coming. And then he mentions.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, so, but you're saying that that's not, not going to happen. But you can't really say that it's a lie if he's, if he's talking about something in the future.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I've named you a few lies. But now I'm going.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you said, you said, let's list all his lies. You're saying that the, the future is going to be a lie. So I don't know that the checks are on their way or not.

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe that's okay. I don't believe we're getting checks that are on the way. Just.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, we're not getting. I'm, I'm not in the military. But he said that it's going to military.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand. I just don't believe anything he says. Well, I mean, you know, he just.

[Phil Labonte]

Could wrap it all up by just saying, well, everything was a lie.

[Brian Shapiro]

I want to pay. You know, you're going to be paying for your own own health care. Can you tell us what that plan is? How exactly are we going to be doing that? It's funny how he doesn't have a plan. Right. He just says, everything's going to be great. You're going to pay for your own health care. Okay, well, how are we going to go about, in doing that? I thought that the report, generally the.

[Phil Labonte]

President doesn't actually come out and say, oh, here's the details of the plan when he makes an announcement like that.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, he did say that in his first administration. Remember when he said, the plan is coming in a month, the plan is coming in two weeks, the plan is coming in two months. Again, said that multiple times.

[Phil Labonte]

There have been multiple presidents that would announce a program and then they wouldn't get into the details.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

But so that's, that's pretty standard. Fair.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think it's standard for a president to bitch and complain about a policy put forth by the Democrats in Obamacare and then not have a replacement plan in nine years. That is not a serious policymaker. And we all know that the country is stronger than it's ever been before.

[Phil Labonte]

He said, according to military.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, according to the military, maybe, but according to the parameters of where the economy is at and many other factors. Well, he was talking about it in.

[Phil Labonte]

The context of the military.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay. Well, I would also argue that there's a lot of people within the military and a lot of people that feel like they've committed war crimes, crimes with these boats that we can get into.

[Phil Labonte]

That's not talking about Whether or not the military's strong. And you're the one that's saying that.

[Brian Shapiro]

The military is stronger than it's ever been. He said the country is stronger than it's ever been. So when I hear a president say the country is stronger than it's ever been, I don't think he's just referring to our military. He's referring to. Go ahead.

[Ian Crossland]

The definition of the word strong, if we're going to break this one open, would be like, what did he mean? And how is it, how accurate is it?

[Brian Shapiro]

And this is what Donald Trump always does when it comes to gas prices, for example, any president could do this. He picks a few states in the country where gas prices are low. Okay. And he makes it sound like the gas prices are $2.50 across the country.

[Phil Labonte]

He specifically said in some places, it's not like he was saying, oh, they're national average.

[Brian Shapiro]

Then why do you.

[Phil Labonte]

National average is lower now than it was last year.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand it is, but what he does is he picks apart certain states to make it sound like everyone's doing hunky dory. Great. Now, if you talk to the American people, most people in this country are not happy with the economy. They're not happy with the unemployment.

[Phil Labonte]

They're happy with lower gas prices. National average, lower gas prices, too.

[Brian Shapiro]

But if you ask in most polls, and they. Are you happy with what Donald Trump is doing when it comes to the economy? You were talking about gas prices specifically right there. I was talking about how he picks apart a few states here and there and says the average price in these states is $2.50. And the point that I'm trying to make is, okay, if you want to give the national average leverage out and take credit for that, fine. Even though I would, I would argue that I don't think any president controls the gas prices. In fact, during Joe Biden's administration, if.

[Phil Labonte]

He doesn't control the gas prices, then why are you bringing it up?

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm bringing it up because he likes to pick apart certain states in the country where gas is $2.50, which I think is very different.

[Phil Labonte]

It's always. They're just making an example. He's saying, well, this is an example of the good things that my, my administration.

[Brian Shapiro]

This is what Donald Trump does and presidents do. Illegal, illegal immigrants. He was complaining about illegal, illegal immigrants going to the, er. Let me ask you guys a question. In the Big and Beautiful Bill, since he thinks that's a huge issue. In the Big and beautiful bill, 20 million Americans are going to lose their Medicaid coverage. What's going to happen with those Americans lose their health care coverage?

[Phil Labonte]

What do you think they're going to do with illegal.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm trying to explain it to you. Where do you think they're going to go when they get sick and they can't afford their medicine?

[Phil Labonte]

Everyone goes to the ER when they get sick, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Exactly. So if you have 20 million Americans that are going to be losing their Medicaid coverage, I think we could agree a lot of those Americans that need insulin and other other things, they're going to get sick, they're going to go to the er. Who pays for that?

[Phil Labonte]

Do you go to the ER if you need to get insulin?

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely. Absolutely. So if you can't, and I'm a diabetic, so I can tell you this for sure. There have been times where I didn't have insulin on me or it got stolen or it got lost. The first thing that I do is go to a quick care or an ER and say, hey, I need insulin. My blood sugar is blah, blah, blah. I know this from experience. If people can't afford their insulin, they're going to get sick.

[Phil Labonte]

But you're getting, if you have to get. If you have to take insulin, you have to take it every day, multiple times a day, right?

[Brian Shapiro]

Absolutely.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. So, I mean, do you think they're just going to like, live at the eating er? Do I think constantly they're like just.

[Brian Shapiro]

Here because I say they're going to live at the er? But what I did say is a lot of these people are going to get sick that desperately need their health care coverage. And the American taxpayer is the one that's going to pay for it when they don't have health care.

[Phil Labonte]

The American taxpayer already pays for anyone that goes to the ER that doesn't have health care.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand that. But when 20 million Americans are on Medicaid right now, many of those Americans are going to get sick. They're not going to be able to afford their medications, they're not going to be on health care coverage, and the American taxpayer is the one that's going to have to pay.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why American taxpayers paying for Medicare.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I understand this is also why. And this is also why this speech was directionally correct. Because the main thing he was hitting on was the success of the tariffs and the success of his immigration policy, his deportation policy. And a good way to free up resources, obviously with emergency rooms is by removing people from the country that shouldn't have access to Those.

[Brian Shapiro]

So do you think if you're an undocumented immigrant in this country and you're, you're deathly ill, that we shouldn't help you in any. Are you shouldn't get help. No.

[Phil Labonte]

You shouldn't be in the United States.

[Tate Brown]

Be in the United States.

[Brian Shapiro]

But I'm just asking you in general, obviously we're not going to get rid of every undocumented immigrant that's here.

[Tate Brown]

Why not? Right. I'm saying. No, that's why I said it's the best way to free up resources.

[Brian Shapiro]

You think if you're, if you're living here 20 or 30 years, if you're.

[Phil Labonte]

An illegal immigrant, you should be sent.

[Tate Brown]

Again, you're arguing there's no pathway to.

[Brian Shapiro]

Citizenship even if you're someone.

[Phil Labonte]

If you're an ill, if you're. So if you're, if you're, if you serve in the military, you have a pathway to citizenship? First of all. Second of all, if you're an illegal immigrant, you should be sent home.

[Santa]

Yes.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I disagree with you. I think there should be a pathway to citizenship, especially for those that are nonviolent criminals that have lived here for decades and pay taxes. That's my personal opinion. So then, but you know, going back to the Medicare stuff. Yeah, but either, but like you said.

[Phil Labonte]

Either way, the, the American people are going to pay for it either whether they're paying for Medicare, where they're paying for them going to the emergency room. The American people are paying for it. So it's a mutant. It's not really.

[Brian Shapiro]

He didn't bring up Venezuela. He didn't bring up the boat strikes. He didn't really go into detail about any health care plan. And we know the Obama subsidies, which by the way, correct me if I'm wrong, seven Republicans voted to extend the Obama subsidies. Democrats address that.

[Phil Labonte]

The Democrats made them end this year. The Democrats voted in the bill that made them end this year.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I mean, Mike Johnson announced yesterday that he did. They don't have a plan. So if you don't have.

[Phil Labonte]

No, the Democrats had a plan to make them.

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[Phil Labonte]

End.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Which, which is, is so it's in the Democrats ball and the whole ACA is because of the Democrats. So the idea that this is somehow the Republicans fall. Now, granted, the Republicans saying, hey, we're going to repeal and replace, they should have done something about it, but they haven't. But even though that's that was the case, like they're the ones that actually started with started Obamacare and it has been a disaster. And the fact that they haven't they voted for this to end is on the Democrats as well.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, it is the duty of the president, in my personal opinion. When you are for nine years bitching.

[Phil Labonte]

About, it's the duty of Congress.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but, but, but Donald Trump is the guy in his first administration that said time and time again, here's the plan. We're going to have a plan in two weeks. We're going to have a plan in a month. The point that I am trying to make is even if I disagree with the plan, show us what the plan is. Come up with some ideas. Mike Johnson said we've been working really hard on a plan. What the f have you guys been doing for years?

[Santa]

Years.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, Donald Trump was in office first go around. Where is his plan? That's all. I had this debate with Tim Pool when I did his show a few months back. It's okay to disagree with a policy, come up with solutions. It's your duty to do so. The Republicans run the House and the Senate come up with a plan.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean he said that part of his plan now is to, to have direct payments, I guess to the American people.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, let's see it. I'm all four ideas. Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, if that's the case, I mean, like I said, you understand what I'm saying.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm not trying to be reasonable here.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, like I said earlier that like it is very norma for a president to go to the people and say this is the idea that I have and then the plan. That's what Brock. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. That's what Donald Trump was doing tonight. He was saying, look, what has he.

[Brian Shapiro]

Been doing for nine years?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

But.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, like I said, the Republicans should have. But this is something that the Democrats have voted for. Like they wanted these subsidies to end. That was a Democrat plan. The Democrats created the ACA in totality. The, the price of health care has done nothing but skyrocket since the aca. And this is not the fault of the Republicans. This is something that the Democrats, Democrats own.

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe it's the responsibility of the Republicans. When you complain about policy and you are a policy maker, to come up with some ideas or solutions of the.

[Phil Labonte]

People that actually passed the bill. The, the ACA was passed by a super majority with another bill.

[Brian Shapiro]

Give me another solution.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I'd like to see. I don't like when people get chronically ill from eating toxic foods or like sugar and then they go and they're like, now I have to pay tax money for them to get like ibuprofen or something when they could just be eating broccoli.

[Santa]

Broccoli.

[Ian Crossland]

And so I don't want to pay for chronic health care.

[Brian Shapiro]

I hate broccoli.

[Ian Crossland]

Of course, it's killing things in your body that are, you're probably addicted to that.

[Brian Shapiro]

You're telling yourself, hold on, let me rephrase it.

[Santa]

With cheese.

[Brian Shapiro]

With cheese. Give me a little salad dressing on there. Some ranch.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, broccoli with cheese is amazing.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look, at the end of the, at the end of the day, this is a very boilerplate kind of, well, thing, right? Like, he got up there and he talked about his policies that he wanted to see push forward in the future. He's talking, talked about the things that he sees that he's done well. So, I mean, I understand, you know, you're, you're here to counter signal Donald.

[Brian Shapiro]

Trump and you don't like Donald Trump.

[Phil Labonte]

At all and stuff.

[Brian Shapiro]

But there's a lot of people that are struggling. You would agree with me, right?

[Phil Labonte]

There's people, there's always a lot of people.

[Brian Shapiro]

You made it sound like everything is great.

[Tate Brown]

Well, he's, that's, that's how presidential addresses work. I mean, I like, you know, Bill Clinton gets up and he's like, guys, we're doing terribly, actually, like, you probably vote me out. Like, that doesn't ever happen.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand.

[Phil Labonte]

Joe Biden did the same thing when he made a. He would talk about how great things were.

[Brian Shapiro]

He meant, he made it sound like everything is phenomenal in the economy and we're hot. He said, right? No, we're not. We're not. I wish we were. By the way, as much as I can't stand Donald Trump, I root for, not necessarily for him personally, but, but, but if the President succeeds, the country.

[Tate Brown]

Succeeds the pilot that crashed the plane, Right.

[Brian Shapiro]

I want the country to succeed. I just didn't hear anything in that speech that was specific as to what are you doing when it comes to health care. Give us a plan, give us a policy.

[Phil Labonte]

But again, the policy will come out from Congress. The policy is not going to be set forth by the President.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand, but Democrats have said time and time again and I agree. Where is the plan? Come to the table with us, try to bargain with us. Mike Johnson says we're working on it. We're working. What does that mean? We're working on it. What are you doing? You guys have been on vacation for two and a half months. What do you mean you're working on it?

[Ian Crossland]

What do you think?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean do you think that when, when the Democrats shut the government down for two months, the longest shutdown ever, do you think that was helpful? That was definitely not something that produced policy that was going to help the American.

[Brian Shapiro]

I disagree with your characterization that it was a Democrat shutdown. I disagree with that. Number one and number two, think it.

[Phil Labonte]

Was a Republican shutdown.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think there's a lot of blame to foot for, for what took place.

[Phil Labonte]

I am very dis Democrats that wouldn't vote.

[Santa]

I am a bill.

[Brian Shapiro]

I am very disappointed in the Democrats that voted for the big and beautiful bill, including Catherine Cortez who actually big.

[Phil Labonte]

Beautiful bill was in the summer. I'm talking about when they shut the government down.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I understand. Understand that. But what I am talking about is the fact that there are Democrats that, that voted and I, and I believe that those Democrats are traitors. As far as I'm concerned, they voted.

[Phil Labonte]

If they voted for the bill. You think.

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe the Democrats, they should have.

[Phil Labonte]

Kept the government shut down longer.

[Brian Shapiro]

I believe the Democrats can't.

[Phil Labonte]

How does that solve the problem with health care? Because what they were doing is they were saying, look, we want to make sure that there are, there is money to pay for immigrants health care.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand that. So.

[Phil Labonte]

And that's not popular with American people at all.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, it depends who you talk to. But I believe that if you're in this country and you're not the majority.

[Phil Labonte]

Of Americans are not interested in paying for illegal immigrants health care.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's the contrary part of the main part of the Trump agenda, the mag agenda has been to remove is.

[Brian Shapiro]

It legal for, for undocumented immigrants to.

[Tate Brown]

Go on Medicaid in most Democrat states.

[Phil Labonte]

You just said earlier that when Republic when, when an undocumented, when an illegal immigrant gets sick they go to getting emergency room. That is something that is PA by the government.

[Brian Shapiro]

I agree getting, getting help in the ER when you're sick is one thing, but it is illegal last I checked for undocumented immigrants.

[Phil Labonte]

Americans are not happy paying for that health care.

[Brian Shapiro]

It is illegal for undocumented immigrants to be on government assistance. Now, if they go to the er, that is a different topic. But. And by the way, no, it's still.

[Phil Labonte]

The same topic because they're getting health.

[Brian Shapiro]

If someone is very ill and they go to the er, I believe it is our duty to take care of them.

[Ian Crossland]

If you think of it as an.

[Phil Labonte]

Advantage, then you're saying the American people should pay for their health care.

[Ian Crossland]

Let me explain.

[Brian Shapiro]

So if somebody is dying and they're undocumented, you don't think they shouldn't be here?

[Tate Brown]

Yes, that's the thing.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, That's a different. But hold on. If somebody is dying and they're here, okay, and they're dying, they're having a heart attack.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's just say that's not health care. That's an emergency.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

And that you're talking about.

[Brian Shapiro]

If they talk about the ER right now.

[Phil Labonte]

That's what we were saying for everything you said.

[Tate Brown]

And like, like, sounds like.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think you go to the ER for everything.

[Tate Brown]

If they get, like, shot, yes, you should treat them. But what we're saying is that they shouldn't be here in the first place. This shouldn't even be a question we have to answer.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but it is a question we have to answer because there are.

[Tate Brown]

I agree. So that's why I think part of what relieves the pressure on our ER system is removing the country.

[Brian Shapiro]

Now, that's the solution. I wish everybody came into this country legally. We know that a large sum of people that are in this country illegal are also those that overstay their visas. They're not people that just cross the border illegally. Legally. I can also tell you that I think it is despicable that you have ICE agents across the country. I've seen the videos of them. That are some in some cases that are not identifying themselves. I also could tell you that they are breaking the law. And Kristi Noem looked like the fool that she is under oath when I think it was Dan Goldman who asked her. You know, if you are seeking asylum and you filled out the proper paperwork and you're waiting on that, you. You are not considered an illegal.

[Phil Labonte]

We should. Asylum.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, but, but, but they're deporting those people. That's all I'm trying to say.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's about direction. It's about direction.

[Phil Labonte]

Not if they. Look, the asylum rules are very, very specific. You go to the first country where you're not being Politically persecuted. The only place where people have a legitimate asylum claim are from Mexico or from Canada. Everyone else has an illegitimate asylum claim. They need to go back. If you're here and you're claiming asylum, asylum, and you came in on a plane, go back.

[Brian Shapiro]

And we don't care where you're from, people. I'm just going by what the law says.

[Phil Labonte]

The law says that the only legitimate asylum claims are, are Mexico and Canada.

[Brian Shapiro]

And every other country in the United States. And there are a lot of people that are seeking asylum from Mexico. And that was the point that Goldman was trying to make. 20 million. Okay. It doesn't matter whether it's 20 million or one. When they come to this country and they're seeking asylum from Mexico and they filled out the proper paperwork, it is illegal to deport them.

[Tate Brown]

It's the crisis in Mexico. They're like, contrary country sucks.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is that, like, you can give me your opinions on what the crisis is in Mexico, but it doesn't change the fact.

[Tate Brown]

I'm just wondering what is the crisis in Mexico?

[Santa]

That's.

[Brian Shapiro]

They are still considered seeking asylum seekers, and when they fill out the proper paperwork, you cannot be deported. That is just the law. The Trump administration is breaking the law.

[Tate Brown]

So you'll concede that we can deport everyone else that's not a Mexican asylum seeker?

[Brian Shapiro]

I didn't say that either. What I'm.

[Tate Brown]

If we're going by what the law says, then Canada and Mexico.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't. I don't want this administration to break the law. Okay? That's important to me. I don't want them to be above the law and to do things that are illegal. It has been proven that that is exactly what they are doing. And it also says in our constitution, last I checked, it says that not any citizen deserves due process or gets due process.

[Phil Labonte]

Due process does not mean a court hearing.

[Brian Shapiro]

But when you are seeking asylum and you filled out the paperwork, these people are being tackled outside of these courtrooms, some of whom are from Mexic.

[Santa]

Go.

[Phil Labonte]

Some of them. But the vast majority. The vast majority are not from Mexico or not from Canada. And if you're here and you have asylum paperwork and you are not from Mexico or Canada, you need to go.

[Brian Shapiro]

I never said it was the vast majority. All I'm saying is I don't want the Trump administration breaking the law, and clearly they are. And that was proven when Kristi Noem was under oath. I don't want to see them break the law. That's all.

[Phil Labonte]

Again, you've got. When you have the vast number of illegal, illegal immigrants that we have, illegal asylum seekers.

[Santa]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

They came here and they lied or they, they broken the law.

[Santa]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Broken the rules. They need to be sent home. And now there, there is a ton of people here. So there are going to be times where the government is wrong, where they make mistakes because of the numbers, but the vast, the vast majority are not here legally and they need to go.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, this is a fundamental difference that I have with you guys is because obviously crossing the border illegally, being here illegally is a misdemeanor.

[Phil Labonte]

Doesn't matter.

[Brian Shapiro]

I wish everybody well. It matters if it's a misdemeanor or a felon. Of course that matters. No, no, it doesn't. The level of crime is.

[Phil Labonte]

They need to. I don't care what type of crime that we have. We have immigration laws. They're not particularly complex when it comes to asylum. If you're here from a country, anywhere in South America, any other country in the world that's not Mexico or Canada, they need to go. Now. I will concede that there are going to be mistakes made because of the number of illegals here, but the fact, the idea that we just have to say, well, because they might make mistakes, we can't deport anyone, or we, we can't, can't try to wrap up illegals, I never. That's not going to happen.

[Brian Shapiro]

But the Trump administration did say that their focus was going to be on those that are violent criminals, which, by the way, I'm totally fine with.

[Phil Labonte]

Not enough. I think that if you're here illegally at all, then you need to go.

[Tate Brown]

So even though, so, like, what ballpark of illegal immigrants would you say are violent criminals?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know the answer to that. What I, what I can tell you is that I don't appreciate the demonizing of many of these people in this country. While, while, if they don't have the proper paperwork and they're illegal, I think a lot of these people are decent human beings that want better life for themselves and their family. In a perfect world, I wish everybody was legal.

[Tate Brown]

Okay. But my question, I understand how you feel. My question was just a ballpark. Probably like 10% maybe.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Tate Brown]

That's like a liberal estimate.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't know.

[Tate Brown]

Like 30 to 40% of those deported have been violent criminals. That's an overrepresentation of the violent criminal proportion of legal immigrants.

[Brian Shapiro]

When I see some of these ICE agents, many of the videos that I've seen are not even Identifying themselves, which is, by the way, illegal. If we're talking about rule of law. Law outside of courtrooms, in front of Home Depots, it pains me to see that.

[Tate Brown]

It also pains me to see the country get completely robbed blind by legal. Like, two things can be wrong here. And again, like to Phil's point, the volume of illegals that are in the country, the volume of deportations that need to occur. It's not always going to be like, perfect not to be clean. It's like, what do you think mass deportations looks like?

[Brian Shapiro]

Obviously, we're not going to change each other's minds on this topic, and we disagree. But I always hear from arguments from MAGA Republicans about how we need to respect the rule of law. And I laugh at that. I really do. I laugh at it by.

[Phil Labonte]

By deporting illegals.

[Brian Shapiro]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not respecting.

[Brian Shapiro]

No. Again, when we talk about rule of law, Donald Trump has ripped up parts of our Constitution. Donald Trump is the guy who decided to pardon and call people patriots and hostages who beat police officers on January 6. That is not okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's stay focused.

[Tate Brown]

Galloping. Let's stay focused on immigration.

[Ian Crossland]

We got violated rule of law.

[Brian Shapiro]

Like, rule of law. If law is evil, you want to.

[Ian Crossland]

Violate it for the good of humanity. That's made apparent with the American Revolution. An evil law must be he who.

[Tate Brown]

Saves this country breaks no law.

[Ian Crossland]

To say obsessively we must follow the laws is. Is disgraceful. You have to always have judges.

[Phil Labonte]

We got to wrap this up and we're going to go to super chats and go to rumble rants and stuff. I bet you're smash those like, smash the like button. Share the show with your friends. Go to the Discord. Become a [e-mail]. the discord is hot. There's a bunch of you guys in there. Maybe you'll even find a girlfriend, get married. That's happened a bunch of times. Not getting around. That's happened.

[Brian Shapiro]

So, yeah, that's cool.

[Phil Labonte]

We are. We are a. A dating service as well.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do they like bald liberals that. That complain a lot?

[Tate Brown]

There's some pharaoh ladies in there.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, you know, look, man, telling you, it's like.

[Tate Brown]

It's like Bourbon street in that Discord, man. Get in there.

[Phil Labonte]

The thirst is real. So, you know, will Tim ever take.

[Brian Shapiro]

His hat off if I take mine off? I keep asking him.

[Phil Labonte]

I cannot speak for Tim Pool.

[Brian Shapiro]

Okay, fair enough.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's see where we.

[Tate Brown]

I'm wearing the beanie. I. I had the someone. I was the chosen one.

[Phil Labonte]

I'll Take mine off. Here we go.

[Brian Shapiro]

We're not taking anything else.

[Phil Labonte]

Final hair? No, Nothing else is going on.

[Ian Crossland]

All right.

[Phil Labonte]

What do we got here?

[Brian Shapiro]

Put two of our heads together, we look like an ass.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's see. Dave Bricken says Brad Shapiro has the nerve to accuse other people of being conspiracy theorists when all he does is spew conspiracy. Conspiracy theories.

[Brian Shapiro]

Name one.

[Phil Labonte]

One of the worst debaters on the Internet asking pointed questions that he wants to try and use against you.

[Brian Shapiro]

I would ask that person to name one conspiracy theory that I brought up. I notice how they call me a conspiracy. Like, I'll give you a conspiracy theory. The 2020 election was stolen and it was rigged. See how I did that, sir? Give me a conspiracy theory that I brought up in this conversation. There's a difference between an opinion on a policy and a conspiracy theory.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I think that the. Sorry, Serge was just hanging over a funny chat.

[Santa]

That.

[Phil Labonte]

That. That we're not gonna say.

[Brian Shapiro]

Or is it insulting towards me? I'm totally okay.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, it's not fair.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm fair game. You guys can put up anything you want. I'm not a victim here.

[Santa]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Is it gwids? No.

[Tate Brown]

Okay.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right. So I'm now curious what.

[Phil Labonte]

That was someone. Yeah, we'll tell you. Shane H. Wilder says so. Australian lawmakers are saying they want to enact stricter guns. Gun control, Bro. You already banned them. How stricter can you get? Effing retard.

[Brian Shapiro]

What a stupid. I'll tell you who the retard is, and I don't even like using that word. Anyone who. First of all, they haven't had a mass shooting like this in 30 years. 800 times more mass shootings in this country than Australia. So this idiot has no idea what he's talking about. Well, the real.

[Tate Brown]

Is Tim Waltz seriously retarded?

[Phil Labonte]

According to the president, they actually had a mass.

[Brian Shapiro]

Tim Waltz retarded.

[Phil Labonte]

They actually had a mass shooting.

[Ian Crossland]

They had.

[Phil Labonte]

They had a mass shooting in Australia earlier this year. Just. Just so happened that no one died.

[Brian Shapiro]

Right.

[Santa]

But.

[Brian Shapiro]

But. But the idea that he would. Someone would talk about gun control. You know, Australia has done a pretty damn good job when it comes to gun control, and it's a horrible tragedy.

[Phil Labonte]

You said that you're a fan of the Constitution. Would you say that we should just go ahead and expropriate people's property so that way they don't own guns anymore?

[Brian Shapiro]

I've. There's not one Democrat in office.

[Phil Labonte]

I asked.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know, absolutely. That's absurd. First of all, I'm for the second Amendment. I want people like you to be able to, to defend yourself and own a weapon. The problem I have is that Republicans refuse to do anything. I can give you four or five things that we can do that I think would help.

[Phil Labonte]

I think, you know, would these things violate the Constitution?

[Brian Shapiro]

No, absolutely not. So I understand driving a car is a, is not a right. Owning a gun is a right.

[Phil Labonte]

It's the worst thing you can bring up.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, but here's what I'm doing, okay? I believe if you had a two hour class, a basic class, even though it's your. You're right. Okay. Learn how to shoot a gun. Two hours. Learn how to store a gun and just be safe. Because if I'm in a.

[Phil Labonte]

But you don't have to do any of that to own a car.

[Brian Shapiro]

What do you mean? When, when you, when you get your driver's license, you have a.

[Phil Labonte]

You want to buy a car, you don't need a license. You don't need anything.

[Brian Shapiro]

It's illegal to drive a car without a driver's license.

[Santa]

Drive a car.

[Phil Labonte]

It's illegal to shoot people with your gun. It is not. It is not illegal for you to purchase a car and have a car. It is not illegal for you to own a car.

[Brian Shapiro]

Driver's license. In order to drive and use a vehicle, they need to check your health, your eyesight. You have an instructor, you, you.

[Phil Labonte]

So the idea that you have to. That you are going to use a gun, the only time you use a gun is when your life is in danger. Otherwise you can't use a gun because you will. You'll end up violating someone else's right.

[Ian Crossland]

We can train, you know.

[Brian Shapiro]

Are you saying you should have to.

[Ian Crossland]

Have a license to train, to discharge?

[Brian Shapiro]

What I'm saying is if you are going to purchase a weapon in this country, I believe that there should be some sort of mandatory one or two hour class so that they can teach you the basics. And I'll tell you why. If I'm in a supermarket or a mall or a casino and there's a, you know, a situation with someone with a weapon, if I know there's a good Samaritan there with a weapon, I'd like to know that they know how to use the gun. That might save my life. I understand. It's a right. I'm not anti second amendment. I believe we should change the age from 18 to 21. I think certain red flags flag laws are very inconsistent in this country. I'm not saying that you should call up and Say, hey, I don't like my neighbor. I'm going to lie and say, threaten me and then take all guns away. It's another argument I hear from the right. There's not one Democrat in office today that wants to take away all your guns. I've never heard one Democrat say, no.

[Phil Labonte]

They don't want to take away all your guns. They just want to take away rifles, automatic rifles.

[Ian Crossland]

The metaphor between the guns and the cars is interesting. So the argument is you don't need a license to buy a car, you need a license to operate the car. Same with the gun, right? So now you're making the argument that maybe you should have, have a license to buy the gun. But this is the, the, this is where the metaphor fails. You don't need a license to buy a car, so you shouldn't need a license to buy a gun. In this metaphor, maybe to operate the gun.

[Brian Shapiro]

We can get into semantics, but I think you understand.

[Phil Labonte]

Definitely that's why I said I think.

[Brian Shapiro]

You understand the, the point that, that I was trying to make.

[Ian Crossland]

I wanted, I want to understand.

[Brian Shapiro]

Listen, a mile from here, 60 people died. The biggest shooting in, in American history. One of my friends was shot and you had a deranged individual. We may never, never know the motive, just like we may never know the motive at Brown University. I hope we do. I hope they catch the son of a. That did that. But, but, you know, this guy was able to buy thousands and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Just like, you know, there should be.

[Phil Labonte]

A limit on how many rounds people can.

[Brian Shapiro]

I think I'm, I'm uncomfortable with an 18 year old, like what happened in, I'm trying to remember the school there in Texas.

[Phil Labonte]

So do you think that there should be a limit on how many people, someone, 21 should be allowed, allowed to own?

[Brian Shapiro]

Like, that's not what I'm saying. No, I just think that the age should be, the age should be changed from 18 to 21.

[Phil Labonte]

I've talked about age be changed from 18 to 21.

[Brian Shapiro]

I wouldn't have a problem with that. There's a lot of, I think there's a lot of people that are 18, 19 years old that are not extremely informed. There's a lot of people that are my age that are probably extremely uninformed as well. And I'm sure a lot of the people that are watching this show would probably make that claim. And that's okay.

[Ian Crossland]

I think you got to correlate gun ownership, right. And all that with military service age.

[Brian Shapiro]

Listen, here's the bottom line. I don't want innocent people to die. We all agree on that. We're all nice people. We all agree on that. Right? My problem is the same argument that I have with health care. Let's come up with solutions. Republicans, Democrats, let's sit at the table, let's try to compromise. Republicans and Democrats used to be able to compromise. There's no compromise anymore. Can we all agree there's way too many, way too much gun violence in this country, whether it be suicide, mass shooting, shootings. There's way too much gun violence. We need to do something about it. And I don't think more guns make us Safer. We have 140 guns per 100 people in this country. We are a country that is obsessed with our guns. Let's. I'm not saying take everybody's rights away. I'm not. I'm pro Second Amendment. I want people to be able to defend themselves. All I'm saying is, can we come together and maybe do some things? How about mental health? Let's try to not get hands in the hands of the wrong people.

[Ian Crossland]

Now you're speaking my language, man.

[Tate Brown]

I don't want to, I don't want to break bread at the left. I want them to concede to us.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, that's not how you get things done in Washington, D.C. trump's getting it done.

[Tate Brown]

He's doing a good job.

[Phil Labonte]

The problem with I don't know what.

[Brian Shapiro]

He'S doing a good job is you.

[Phil Labonte]

End up people that have so ptsd, veterans that have had ptsd, they'll have their rights taken away. You end up with people saying, hey, this guy that, you know, this guy was yelling at me, or this guy here, this guy yelling, and you'll end up with too many people that are having their rights taken away.

[Brian Shapiro]

So I heard what you're saying, and I was going to bring up red flag laws. I do not believe. Let's just say, for example, a husband threatens his wife, I'm going to kill you. Right. Obviously, he would probably be arrested for a threat. Right? You can't threaten somebody's life. But then in some states in this country, the next day he's allowed to legally purchase a gun. Now, in some states, that would be illegal. You're giving me the opposite end of the spectrum. And I agree with you. If you have a neighbor that you don't like, you shouldn't be allowed to call the police and say, hey, he threatened me. And then they go over to his house and take a his guns away. Those are two extremes. What I'm saying is let's be consistent. It's case by case basis. Let's meet somewhere in the middle. I'm pretty sure if, if someone has a spouse out there and they threatened your life, you probably don't want that person to buy a gun the next day. It has to be a case by case basis. But some people will make the argument, well, he deserves his day in court. Okay, but if you have somebody on a message saying they're going to kill.

[Ian Crossland]

You now there's deep fakes. If you have, you could make a video. I actually have. So Sora.com my, my avatar is on there. So if you at Ian Cross and make a movie of me doing something, I mean and if it saying something that literally could get your rights. Our rights are the most cherished aspect of this society.

[Brian Shapiro]

I understand that. But I also want consistency with red flag laws and by state, by state there are different rules that apply. All I'm simply saying is I want Democrats and this comes with almost every issue to be able to compromise. What I find despicable is after a mass shooting and I talked to George Santos about this, I know you guys had him on. He showed up the next day with an AR 1515 pin.

[Santa]

Okay?

[Brian Shapiro]

These are sick people. George admitted that that was a mistake. Okay, that's wrong. And it's wrong. When Ted Cruz after the shooting in Texas says, geez, we should have locked that back door in that school. As if that would be a deterrent for somebody, an 18 year old who just shot their grandmother in the face. Okay? As if that would be some sort of deterrent. Now I don't know what all the answers are, but I do want some solutions and more. Guns are not the answer when. I'm sorry, it's not hear about a shooting.

[Ian Crossland]

If I see a gun, it doesn't make me think of this. Like I'm not afraid of the gun part of the story. I'm afraid of why did Guy go and do that?

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, there's a lot of reasons, right? Mental, mental illness is obviously a big issue. Depression and then there's just evil people in the world. The guy who killed 60 people here, by the way, I was supposed to be at that concert. Instead I went to a Vegas Golden Knights preseason game and it probably saved my life. And I know a person who was shot in the lower back. We still don't know a motive. We never will. Sometimes people are evil and people don't realize that.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, we got to move on. So we got one from, from yeah, but Trump 89 14. 1. It definitely said Ben Shapiro in the show title. I don't think that's true.

[Brian Shapiro]

Is that true?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think so. Two thoughts.

[Brian Shapiro]

Don't care about your feelings. Wait.

[Phil Labonte]

It would have been more entertaining if true. Three, put this dude back in the rabbit hole he crawled out of. Thank you for your attention to this man.

[Tate Brown]

Be nice to me, guys. What did I do wrong?

[Phil Labonte]

Stop talking on tape.

[Brian Shapiro]

You know, unfortunately, there are some people on the left and the right that are not willing to have these conversations, and they don't want debate and they don't want disag.

[Phil Labonte]

You know what? It's like they.

[Santa]

They did.

[Brian Shapiro]

They did call me Ben Shapiro.

[Phil Labonte]

That was an error. That was an error.

[Tate Brown]

They're probably like, man, Ben evolved on his politics. What's going on?

[Brian Shapiro]

Ben's really flipped, hasn't he? He's gotten a lot taller. He's far more handsome now than he really is.

[Tate Brown]

That bad?

[Brian Shapiro]

He's far more handsome. I'm not wearing a yarmulke, though, so.

[Tate Brown]

I got a little bigger. What's going on here?

[Brian Shapiro]

What happened to his yarmulka? I don't wear a Yamaka anymore.

[Phil Labonte]

VT, ID says As per Tim cast IRL trust tradition, my rockstar wife Maddie and I welcomed our first child, Lincoln Tyler Townsend, to the world. Little lieutenant, born 1212. 20. 25 at 3. Where'd it go? 3:50pm 7. 7 pounds, 8.6 ounces. God is good. Never give up.

[Brian Shapiro]

Nice on me. Welcome to the world. Too nice on me.

[Phil Labonte]

Little patriot.

[Tate Brown]

We have so much work to do. Get to work. Get fighting. I know you probably aren't even talking yet, but we need you in the battle. Come on, get to work.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's go. Chipper says hello, Guys. As tradition demands, I'm letting you know we're at the hospital as my wife welcomed our first baby boy and third child overall. Welcome to the world, Theodore Lucas. Shout out to my wonderful wife. God is good. Theodore is a good name.

[Brian Shapiro]

Can't kill a bull.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's right. So, yeah. Congratulations. Thank you very much.

[Tate Brown]

That's what I'm saying. These Tim cast fans, what is their fertility rate? I mean, they're popping higher. I mean, it's looking like.

[Brian Shapiro]

They just watch the show and then they just get it on right while the show's on.

[Tate Brown]

Sorry, ladies. Tonight's gonna get a little volume down, I think.

[Phil Labonte]

I think Tim's beanie gets people high.

[Brian Shapiro]

Bother.

[Tate Brown]

I think that's what.

[Phil Labonte]

Hey, let's see something about it. I'M a bird says all testimony said Trump broke no laws. He unfriended Epstein when the scandal started. The fights were domestic. The flights were domestic, never to the island. Quit interview current Internet intentionally ignoring context. Clown. You have nothing.

[Brian Shapiro]

I have nothing. So if there's nothing, then why won't he release the files?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, that, that if there's.

[Brian Shapiro]

Nothing, then why is. Then why is Maxwell being treated the way she is? If there's nothing, then why did Epstein on tape said that Donald Trump was once his best friend? Why was Epstein taking young girls from Mar a Lago? And apparently Donald Trump even admitted that and said, yeah, that's why we, we, we, we. Our friendship ended. So if anyone out there is complicit enough like that, that fool to say that there's nothing there, you know, I mean, it's a nothing burger.

[Phil Labonte]

All of the. If all of the evidence says that he didn't do anything. In all testimony said that he didn't.

[Brian Shapiro]

What testimony? Donald Trump never testified under. No, no testimonies.

[Phil Labonte]

There were testimonies from, from, from the women that had seen Donald Trump with Epstein stuff.

[Brian Shapiro]

I never said that he broke the law. What I. They said that he.

[Phil Labonte]

He didn't do anything. Okay, well, I released the files. Well, the point that I'm making.

[Brian Shapiro]

Release the files.

[Phil Labonte]

If the testimony says that he didn't do anything, why is there. That. Why is there such scrutiny? Oh, no, I'm sure that he did.

[Tate Brown]

The fil. Like, every, like, world leader throughout history is on it, and they're like, oh.

[Brian Shapiro]

We forgot to shred the. I am just now repeating what almost every MAGA supporter was repeating months before the election. Release the files. Do what Pam Bondi promised she was going to do. Very simple.

[Tate Brown]

Release the naughty list. We want to see the naughty list. Who's getting coal this Christmas?

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't think a child is considered naughty. I think it's, you know, I want.

[Phil Labonte]

To hear that Donald Trump has done something. You said that again. You keep saying, I don't know. I don't know.

[Brian Shapiro]

I wasn't referring. No, that's wrong. Your mischaracter. I wasn't referring to Donald Trump's character.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, you are.

[Brian Shapiro]

No, I never said Donald Trump rape kids. What I am saying is that I guarantee you there are names in there that have raped children, and that needs to. You need to give justice to the victims. I never said Donald Trump raped anybody. Now he is a liable sexual abuser. But I never said. I never said he raped a child. What I am saying is Release the files. I want people brought to justice for. For the victims. That doesn't mean Donald Trump raped anybody, but I want justice. Is that bad?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, on the surface it looks good, but there might be other things behind the scenes that we don't understand about global order and how things.

[Brian Shapiro]

Well, I don't care about global order. I care about for the victims. I want them to get justice.

[Ian Crossland]

We gotta.

[Phil Labonte]

We gotta. We got one from plague Dr. 84 here. Dems had four years to destroy the files and add fake info. Maxwell favored to put together missing pieces.

[Santa]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

Trump implemented application Peaky grinder boy is low IQ propaganda gun.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm shocked. I'm shocked that.

[Santa]

That.

[Brian Shapiro]

That somebody would use homophobic slurs. Sir, if my fetish was for a middle aged white dude who's a big Tim Pool supporter, which, by the way, I don't have a problem with. If my fetish was somebody like you, sir, who's probably sitting there with your chips and probably suffer from Trump fellatio syndrome, then maybe I would go out with you, sir, but I'm not a Trump mushroom gobbler like you. So go back to your gobbling and have a nice day. You wish I was into somebody like you. You probably pleasure yourself to me every night before you go to sleep.

[Phil Labonte]

Metho671 says, I'd rather listen to Hamas piker than this spiteful leprechaun.

[Tate Brown]

Wow.

[Brian Shapiro]

Wow. A leprechaun. I can do these all day. I could.

[Santa]

I could.

[Brian Shapiro]

I could do these all day. So comparing people that behead babies to somebody like me because you don't like my political opinions makes you a complete digit.

[Tate Brown]

I agree.

[Phil Labonte]

Just make the allegation that Hassan piker beheaded a baby.

[Brian Shapiro]

Are you. Sorry? I thought.

[Santa]

I thought you said.

[Brian Shapiro]

Said Hamas, But it was.

[Phil Labonte]

It was.

[Brian Shapiro]

I don't. Bad baby, sir. And I'm sorry. Sorry to disappoint you. Sorry if you don't like my political opinions, but that was a very intelligent statement. How much did he have to pay for that statement?

[Phil Labonte]

As much as he wanted.

[Tate Brown]

I think it was in shekels. What's going on here?

[Brian Shapiro]

Maybe it was. I don't know. It is Hanukkah.

[Tate Brown]

It is true.

[Brian Shapiro]

It is Hanukkah.

[Santa]

All right.

[Brian Shapiro]

By the way, Myron Gaines called me a dreidel spinner. That was very funny. I will admit that. That was a funny comment. You got to go.

[Phil Labonte]

That was funny.

[Brian Shapiro]

I got credit requests. Credit is due.

[Tate Brown]

That was good.

[Phil Labonte]

Keep moving there, Serge. Let's see. Rogue kill shot says Obama murdered a 16 year old American from Colorado.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, there you go. Barack Obama's a murderer and you're, you're going to be the next president. But he did.

[Santa]

He did.

[Brian Shapiro]

Was that proven in a court of law? He did.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean he, they admitted to it. They admitted that they, that they fired a hellfire missile.

[Brian Shapiro]

So there's a difference, there's a difference between murdering somebody and then people that are killed in acts of war trying to take out terrorists. There is a fine line, different difference between cold.

[Phil Labonte]

Like for example at the wedding for.

[Brian Shapiro]

For example, what, what happened. Why am I forgetting his name now? The actor who was just murdered. Oh, how could I forget his name? The late Rob Reiner. That was murder. I think we all could agree on that. What Barack Obama did is not considered murder. There are horrible atrocities that happen when, when you're trying to go after some very bad people. It happens in every presidency. That's not murder, bud.

[Phil Labonte]

All right, we got one more. Andrew Star 8062 says starts losing argument immediately goes to. I don't understand why Republicans are obsessed with every single time these people are brainwashed.

[Brian Shapiro]

I'm brainwashed. Well, again, not being specific on anything and just making a generalized statement that I am brainwashed. I think the problem is is you have to get out of your right wing echo chamber bubble. I appreciate these guys for willing to have conversations with people that they disagree with. But go back to listening to your Mark Levin and maybe go listen to Candace Owens and listen to the Tim.

[Tate Brown]

Cool Tim Pool daily noon live show show as well. That's right.

[Santa]

To show real quick.

[Tate Brown]

My bad.

[Brian Shapiro]

All right.

[Phil Labonte]

Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Get into the discord. Become a [e-mail] Like I said, get in the discord. There is someone in the discord waiting for you. Wife Ryan.

[Brian Shapiro]

Thank you.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you for joining us.

[Brian Shapiro]

This was a lot of fun.

[Phil Labonte]

Tell everybody where you can, where they can find you.

[Brian Shapiro]

Yeah, I appreciate that. At PTL Radio show is my YouTube page. The Brian Shapiro is my website and my Facebook page. I actually just started about a month ago. I got about 35000 subs on there. Much as some of you guys have or what Tim Pool has. But we just got started and I want to repeat this once again and I, I get a lot of crap for saying this but you guys have. I've always treated me good here on this show and I really do appreciate that and I love the fact that you guys are willing to have these conversations. I think there are too many people out there in their echo chamber, left or right. So I want to thank you guys and everybody with this show. I'm sorry that Tim dodged me today, but hopefully, hopefully Tim is winning money at the poker tables, and I really do. In all serious, though, I really, really do appreciate you guys for. For having these conversations. I think it's really important.

[Phil Labonte]

We appreciate you, Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm exhilarated that there are people. Well, that you find it as awesome as I do. This is the healing medicine that we need as a species.

[Brian Shapiro]

I like Tim, by the way. I've said that, you know, it's sad. I said it on the show, on my show. I said, listen, first of all, what happened to Tim with the shooting at his house is awful. I was one of the first people to text him, and I'm like, dude, I hope you're okay. This is effing terrible. And the hate I got, he made it up. He's a liar. I'm like, dude, what the hell is wrong with you? The man has a. A daughter and a wife. I am not that person, okay?

[Phil Labonte]

And.

[Brian Shapiro]

And I think we're just at a sick time in this country right now. Yeah, we're at a sick time. People thought people. You wouldn't believe the messages I got. I say, I think Tim Pool's a really nice guy. I disagree with him on some stuff. You wouldn't believe the hate I get.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I think a lot of us are kind of thrust into this. Like, Thomas Jefferson was the same way. He would have wanted to be an artist, but he said because the world was what it was, he had no choice but to get into politics. And here we are. So I'm at Ian Crossland. You can follow me at Ian crossland. Check out graphene.com movie the website. And check out. You want to put your email address in there? Sign up for the mailing list. Graphene Movie is coming soon.

[Brian Shapiro]

Will you sign a Jim Morrison record for me?

[Ian Crossland]

Happily.

[Tate Brown]

All right, let's go. You can follow me on X and Instagram @realtate Brown. I also host the Tim Cast News Daily Noon Live show. We'll tighten up the name for the new year. So go check me out. We'll be there tomorrow at noon. And I as well, was thrusted into this. I'm a big thruster. Pause. Thank you. Really. I want to work the side cam. Give it some more love.

[Phil Labonte]

So I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. We are hitting the road next year. Tickets went on sale today for pre sale as of Friday they'll be able be available for everyone. It's going to be all that Remains Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. We're starting up the last day of April and it goes through the end of May, so make sure you get your tickets.

[Brian Shapiro]

Do I get a backstage pass?

[Phil Labonte]

You can. Yes, you can. Check out the band all that Remains at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, you, YouTube and Dieser. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. Stick around for the IRL after show on Rumble. And yeah, we will see you guys tomorrow.

[Tate Brown]

See you.

[Santa]

Sam.