Daniel Penny Manslaughter DISMISSED, SCHEME To FORCE Secondary Verdict w/Wayne Dupree

Summary

Timcast IRL – Episode: Daniel Penny Manslaughter DISMISSED, SCHEME To FORCE Secondary Verdict w/Wayne Dupree

Release Date: December 7, 2024
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Wayne Dupree, Brett Dasovic, Ian Crossland

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Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool engages in a robust discussion with his regular guests Wayne Dupree, Brett Dasovic, and Ian Crossland. The conversation centers around the high-profile legal case of Daniel Penny, recent developments in the assassination of the United Health CEO, the arrest of far-right influencer Nick Fuentes, and a deep dive into current pop culture trends. The guests offer their perspectives on government overreach, self-defense laws, and the state of modern media.

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Daniel Penny Legal Case

Timestamp: [00:35] – [06:53]

Ian Crossland initiates the discussion by detailing the deadlocked jury in Daniel Penny’s manslaughter trial. The prosecutors have attempted a maneuver to avoid a mistrial by dropping the initial manslaughter charge and pushing for a lesser charge of criminally negligent homicide. This strategy has been criticized as an attempt to subvert the rule of law.

Notable Quotes:

• Ian Crossland: “Many people are describing this as a scheme from the prosecutors to subvert the rule of law.” [00:35]
• Ian Crossland: “Daniel Penney's lawyers blast desperate prosecutors for rare jury requests and bully tactics.” [06:53]

Wayne Dupree expresses frustration with the New York justice system, suggesting that prosecutors are more interested in making an example out of Penny despite his actions being defensive and heroic.

Notable Quote:

• Wayne Dupree: “Somebody’s got to go down... he did a huge selfless thing to save a lot of people.” [06:53]

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Assassination of United Health CEO

Timestamp: [06:53] – [24:12]

The conversation shifts to the assassination of the United Health CEO. Ian Crossland reports that investigators have found a backpack believed to be linked to the killer and obtained a DNA swab from a water bottle found at the scene. The team discusses the ongoing investigation and speculates on the motives and methods of the assassin.

Notable Quotes:

• Brett Dasovic: “This whole thing is a movie plot.” [24:17]
• Wayne Dupree: “It's a result of the people in positions of power and probably to some extent the families that they're raised in.” [12:12]

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Arrest of Nick Fuentes

Timestamp: [24:12] – [56:11]

Ian Crossland brings up the recent arrest of Nick Fuentes, a far-right influencer, charged with battery after allegedly pepper spraying and pushing a woman down his front steps. The guests debate the legality of Fuentes' actions, especially in the context of Illinois’ strict self-defense laws.

Notable Quotes:

• Ian Crossland: “These charges should never have been filed. This is ridiculous.” [43:51]
• Wayne Dupree: “I think the judge is gonna... lock him up.” [48:48]
• Tim Pool: “It was dumb for him to do that because of where he lives.” [44:29]

The discussion explores potential biases in the legal system, the influence of Fuentes' controversial persona, and the broader implications for self-defense laws.

Notable Quote:

• Ian Crossland: “If he really thought he was facing a threat, he would have called the police.” [52:06]

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Pop Culture and Media Critique

Timestamp: [56:11] – [100:00]

The latter part of the episode transitions into a critique of modern pop culture, focusing on the perceived decline in the quality of television shows and movies. Brett Dasovic and Wayne Dupree express dissatisfaction with the current state of Hollywood, arguing that streaming services prioritize quantity over quality and that "wokeism" is diluting storytelling.

Notable Quotes:

• Brett Dasovic: “Most television shows are tweets. His shows are threat.” [64:16]
• Wayne Dupree: “We were talking about... great stories back in the day.” [78:32]
• Ian Crossland: “The Wire had much better writing and storytelling.” [Various]

The guests compare classic shows like The Wire and Crimson Tide to contemporary series like Yellowstone and Sicario, emphasizing the depth and quality they believe are missing from current productions.

Notable Quote:

• Ian Crossland: “We have seen such a decisive win in the culture war... but we are far from done.” [Varied Times]

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Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, the hosts briefly discuss their personal projects and upcoming plans. They encourage listeners to engage with their content, support their work through memberships, and stay informed on current events and cultural shifts.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool: “Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know.” [Throughout]
• Wayne Dupree: “If you have a community that looks out for each other, life is better.” [Various]

The episode concludes with a reaffirmation of their stance against what they perceive as leftist overreach and the erosion of traditional cultural values through media and legal systems, urging listeners to remain vigilant and proactive in supporting their perspectives.

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Final Thoughts

Timcast IRL provides a comprehensive and engaging discussion on pressing legal issues and trends in pop culture, framed through the lens of its guests' independent perspectives. The inclusion of notable quotes with timestamps enriches the summary, offering a clear and informative overview for those who have not listened to the episode.

For more detailed insights and uncensored discussions, listeners are encouraged to watch the full episode and engage with the show’s community.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

Daniel Penney's jury deadlocked. Well, the jury comes back out a second time saying deadlocked. And in what is, I'm hearing, the craziest scheme we've seen in a long time. The prosecutors moved then to drop the first charge, manslaughter, which would, instead of granting a mistrial, what the defense is asking for now, it would allow the jury to go back and consider the secondary lesser charges. And many people are describing this as a scheme from the prosecutors to subvert the rule of law. Because the way it's supposed to go is if you can't find him guilty of the first one, then it's it, you're done. It's a deadlocked jury mistrial, whatever. Maybe it doesn't come back up. Maybe it does. Maybe the prosecution says, look, we tried. We're not going to do this again. It's seeming now, as Mike Cernovich describes Lawless, that this DA a Soros prosecutor, many people are saying, is just trying to squeeze out some way to trick to convince the jury to find Daniel Penny guilty. So we're going to break this down. Admittedly, it gets into legal territory. I don't know. I mean, I'm not familiar with this precedent and this move, but I'm seeing all these lawyers losing their minds and the press is talking about. So we'll talk about that stuff. And then we also have more developments on the assassination of the United Health CEO. They found the backpack, apparently. So we'll talk about that and what that means. Information on what they've learned so far about the shooter. And then my friends, Nick Fuentes has been arrested. I actually disagree with this. It's. But we'll talk about what happened and we'll get into all that. Let's head over to timcast.com, click join us to become a member and support our work directly. As a member, you get access to our Discord server where they've got pre shows, after shows, everybody's friends, they're all hanging out and they're wondering why you're not hanging out with them. So you'll Also get access to our uncensored members only content. It's fun. And you as members, get to call in and talk to us and our guests. No Members Only Member only shows on Friday, but consider becoming a member to support the work that we do. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Wayne Dupri.

[Wayne Dupree]

What's up? What's going on? Hey. I mean, look, we're hanging out. Let me tell you something. There's nothing like being down in God's country. I mean, Westford. I mean, awesome, awesome. Beautiful place. Yeah, beautiful place.

[Ian Crossland]

Absolutely. Well, introduce yourself. What do you do?

[Wayne Dupree]

A little list. Little dad. Son of share. I'm a son of a sharecropper. No, I'm kidding. No. I was born on Eastern Shore of Maryland. I've been doing this since Tea party days. And, you know, it's. It's from. From that to where we are right now, I've seen so much change. Some. Some good, some bad. But, you know, I've seen a lot of things that happen. So, you know, I'm. I'm here for it, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Right on. Well, thanks for hanging out. Should be fun. We got Brett hanging out.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yes, indeed. You guys, Brett here. I am normally host of Pop Culture Crisis, Monday through Friday, 3pm Eastern. Today. In fact, Phil was on with us today.

[Wayne Dupree]

Was.

[Tim Pool]

I was.

[Brett Dasovic]

And we were talking about how awkward the intro. Always. That's what I was saying earlier.

[Tim Pool]

You're the one that thinks.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, no, I said, like, when we do our show, we have a standard intro. So, you know, it's very, very formulaic. And I get to ease into the conversation really, really quickly here. I'm always like that. Now we're going.

[Tim Pool]

It's only because you're not here every night.

[Brett Dasovic]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I am an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's go.

[Ian Crossland]

So I have one more announcement for all of you. As you know, I mentioned last night that we had some positive updates for you. I can now say. And we have this. I've tweeted it out in the lawsuit between I, Tim Pool, and the Kamala Harris campaign. This lawsuit has been resolved to my satisfaction. So thank you to everybody. And the tweet in question no longer exists. I will leave it at that. But I will just say, once again, it's been resolved to my satisfaction and I really do appreciate everybody's support and. Okay, let's jump into this story here from ABC News. Manslaughter charge dismissed in Daniel Penny trial jury to consider negligent homicide charge. Now, this is interesting. To better understand it, we have this tweet from Greg Price. He says, what Daphne Yorin is doing to Daniel Penny is nuts and absolutely illegal. She moved to dismiss count one, manslaughter because count two, criminally criminal negligent homicide, could not be considered if there was a verdict. They're bending the law to try and squeeze a guilty verdict for somebody who saved people on a train. We have this transcript. ADA Uran says don't tell them it's an acquittal on count one, only that it's dismissed. Penny's lawyer Kenneth says this has never been done before. It would encourage prosecutors to overcharge in the grand jury with the option of withdrawing if hung under coercion. Judge Wiley says, I'll take a chance and grant the people's application. I'm going to let them go to return and consider count two on Monday. Bring them in. Judge says manslaughter and second degree is dismissed. You are free to consider count two on Monday. Judge Wiley says I'll take a chance and grant the people's application. Oh, I'm sorry. It's just a repeat. Twice. And then we have the next image here. This is the verdict sheet and it says count one, manslaughter in the second degree. If you find the defendant guilty of count one, manslaughter in the second degree, then do not consider and do not render a verdict on count two, criminally negligent homicide. If you find the defendant not guilty of count one, manslaughter in the second degree, for the reason that the People have failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified, then you must not consider count two, criminally negligent homicide, and you must also find the defendant not guilty. If you find the defendant not guilty on count one, manslaughter and second degree, for some reason other than a lack of justification, then proceed to consider and render a verdant count two, criminally negligent homicide. So the gist of the story is without a verdict at all, they're deadlocked. This should be a mistrial. And so right now we have this in the Daily Mail. Daniel Penney's lawyers blast desperate prosecutors for rare jury requests and bully tactics. They're looking for a mistrial on this. And look, guys, I was saying from the get go when the jury was taking a long time, that this was not a good sign Some people are like, no, it's a good sign. It means they're. No, it means that it could be one person, it could be 11 people. They want this man in prison and they're not moving until he goes. And now the judge is basically saying, can we figure out a way to get him in prison regardless? Even though the jury can't. Can't agree.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, that's that New York justice. Somebody's got to go down. I don't care. You know, is not only that, but they need to make an example out of this guy. Some, somehow, some way. So when I, you know, being in the military, my being, have, have been in the military myself, what he did was a huge selfless thing to save a lot of people. And then that should be taken into account. It's not. And when you probably have a whole lot of witnesses that want to testify on his behalf, you have to wonder, it's like, okay, so are they quiet in these people? You know, you know, what, what's the motive? Where's the money coming from to really put this guy. Yeah. Away.

[Brett Dasovic]

And remember, this is all going on while people are cheering the, the murder of the CEO of a company. Right now.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That the. Right now the left in the US is, it's like topsy turvy of what is good and positive. You have a society that has, you know, problems just like any other society. But the left wants to see the bad guys being taken care of and treated as if they're not bad guys and they want to see the good guys punished. Now, I don't think that that actually applies to the, to the CEO, but the idea that he should die for being a, you know, because he's a CEO of a business, that's abhorrent. Right. The people that are celebrating the murder of a man that had a family, the people that are saying, we need more of this, that is absolutely going to make society worse. That doesn't make society better. It doesn't make people feel more comfortable living in society. It makes people more apprehensive. It makes people want more government. It makes people want more police. And this is the exact opposite of what the left says. They say things like abolish the police or defund the police. Well, if you have people that are acting as vigilantes, then the rest of society is going to say more police. Like I was saying the other night, if you have a society that is a high trust society, then you need less government. If you have a society that is a low trust society, then you're going to end up getting more government, and that's not going to make people on the left or the right happy, because most people are like, I want to be free.

[Ian Crossland]

There's that story we bring up quite a bit about that woman on the train in p. In Philly. You got raped. And everybody's watched. And I'm like, that's why.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Yo, the fact. Look, the fact that this is a deadlocked jury and we're here at all, it does not matter at this point, in my opinion, if Daniel Penny wins because the process is the punishment. We're hoping that Daniel's life will never.

[Brett Dasovic]

Be the same again.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, his life will never be the same. But even if he got a quick not guilty verdict right away, that's good. And then a lot of people will be like, oh, okay, you'll be found not guilty. Short of that, the message sent to the average person is, if you try to help people. Yeah, this is what your life will be.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, there was the. There was this video that was viral, like, last year where a bunch of people are in a market or they're. They're in, like, an outdoor restaurant, right? And a guy comes up out of nowhere, and he attacks a woman who's at a table, and a guy is with a girl at a table next to them, and he doesn't do anything about it. And the question was, what was this guy supposed to do? Should he have intervened? And everybody had their opinions on that. And in that video, he kind of. He, like, pushes his girlfriend out of the way, but then he doesn't do anything to help. He just kind of skirts out of frame. And the decision, the talk became about pragmatism versus what's your duty as a man in this situation? Is it your duty to intervene and help this person? And the vast majority, you know, a. You know, devoid of whatever your opinion is on it, the vast majority of the response on Twitter at the time was that it is too risky. I have a family at home. It is not my responsibility. And whatever you feel on that, that is the public sentiment right now from those who are paying attention to the legal system.

[Tim Pool]

That makes society worse.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

But, you know, when I was growing up, it was, you know, the community looked after each other. You know, we. We. You could leave your. Your front door open. You know, everybody on. Everybody in the community knew each. Each other. The. The parents knew the kids. The kids knew what they couldn't do beyond that. But if somebody was to start a little fight or something like that, the Parents would run out. You know, you're not supposed to do that. You know, you. Okay, but where we are now with these cameras, with these phones and stuff like that, you put this thing up on Tick Tock, you put this thing up on YouTube, you put this thing up on Twitter and you, you're trying to make money. Yeah, you're trying to make money. And, and, and where somebody's getting their butt whipped or you know, just, just totally annihilated. I, I mean these, these knockout.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

In New York that's when a whole lot of this stuff really at start it because these people are getting this stuff on cameras, phones or even in.

[Brett Dasovic]

This situation it's a matter of just how dishonest the person who recorded the video. It tends to be. Because where does the video start? When does the video pick up? Was this person being belligerent before? You know, if we're talking in this situation where you put someone in a headlock and you take them down, does the video show the person being belligerent beforehand? That shows him intervening to protect people around him or does the video just start with someone with a dude in a headlock who looks like he just got on a train or got on a bus and started to attacking someone.

[Tim Pool]

But I mean the, the whole, you know, this thing going on with, with Daniel Penny, like I forget the guy, Jordan Neely, he was mentally ill and he was threatening people. The other people on the train said that he was threatening people. You don't have to wait until you're attacked like someone actually physically attacks you to do something. Like if that is the case, then you might have to wait until you actually get stabbed or get shot.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that's the Gulag archipelago, famous passage where in the Soviet Union there's a soldier, he's on trial for murder. A guy was trying to stab him, he grabbed the knife, fought back and stabbed the other guy. And they said why did you do that? And he's like he was going to kill me. And he was like, why didn't you run away? You go to prison.

[Tim Pool]

And that is the general consensus of the left. You know, it is psychotically against the people that are doing the normal day to day things, defending themselves or whatever. You have a sympathy for a criminal. Well, and take orders on, you know.

[Brett Dasovic]

Psychotic and taken to its logical conclusion for them. That's when you get into the argument about well, why did you have to defend yourself in your own home?

[Wayne Dupree]

Home.

[Brett Dasovic]

Why would you shoot somebody? All he wanted was your tv. All he wanted was the stuff in your, in your safe. Well, the stuff in your safe is the sum product of everything that you've worked for, which is an extension of who you are. And to them that doesn't matter.

[Ian Crossland]

But you got to understand their point of view. Right? Because I've talked about this when it came to Castle Doctrine in New Jersey, and what I was told by the cops was if someone in, in New Jersey, if someone breaks in your house, you are required to flee if possible. And my, my, my response, yes, that's the New Jersey. And I said, flee where? And they were like, what do you mean flee where? And I'm like, it's my house. Where do I go? And they were like, tell that to a judge and a jury. And what they're going to say is, you have just confessed you would rather kill a man than stand outside.

[Wayne Dupree]

But you know what you said, you, you blame. Well, you kind of said leftist, but it isn't that just a culture period?

[Brett Dasovic]

In what way? Like, what do you mean these days?

[Wayne Dupree]

Because on these, like in Baltimore, I'm sure everybody that rides on the bus is not a leftist.

[Brett Dasovic]

You mean, it's just, it's the culture in general, which is just basic modern liberalism.

[Wayne Dupree]

Leave it alone. Yeah, you know, just leave it alone. It's not bothering me. Just leave it alone.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's not because of leftism. That's because they know the consequences of leftists being in positions of authority. Like, if you're just like, I don't want to get involved because I don't want to deal with the repercussions.

[Wayne Dupree]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Like if you're, if you live in. And granted there is an amount of repercussions. Meaning, meaning you could be, you could.

[Wayne Dupree]

Be Fury or them getting beat up for being in.

[Tim Pool]

It could be getting hurt. But it also could be like if you live in New Jersey and you're in a, like if you can't defend yourself in your home, you clearly aren't going to be in a situation where if you try to defend someone else in, in, like in public, you're going to get, you're, you're done.

[Ian Crossland]

You can't even have a weapon. Yeah, like, let's not even talk about the idea of trying to protect somebody now. You can't even stand there with the right to keep in bear arms. They will put you in prison.

[Wayne Dupree]

Well, I mean, I had a friend years ago in Baltimore. He was walking down town in Lexon Market and three kids come out like, give me your wallet. And he was like, man, get out of here. And they kept jumping on, look, give me your wallet, give me your wallet. So they start hitting them now. He said, hey, I could take these three kids. Ain't nothing. But just as soon as those three kids got them down on the ground, another 20 come around and b. So but you know, you saying, well, is that the culture or is that just.

[Tim Pool]

It's a result of the people in positions of power and probably to some extent the families that they're raised in. If you've got police and government that are going to say, look man, this guy got killed because this other guy, he attacked this other guy and this other guy defended himself and you let the other guy go home, then that's going to deter people attacking like to a certain degree police deter people from attacking other people. The possibility of someone defending themselves because criminals don't want to find someone that is an equal match. Criminals want to find someone that is easy when I, when they're not that stupid, you know. Yeah, that's, that's exactly right. Like I, like I've gone to a lot of like self defense classes and stuff like that. Not, not like hand to hand combat stuff but like self defense. And it's like, look, if you make yourself look like you're not an easy target, they will select someone else, right? Like if you look like you're an easy target, then they're going to select someone else. And I've talked to, you know, I've talked to girls that I dated and stuff. Like if anyone ever comes and grabs you, make a bunch of noise. Like if, if they're trying to put you in a car, make them do whatever they're going to do at the first location. Don't ever go to crime scene two because then you're going with them to where they have, where they're comfortable, where they have of the surrounding the environment, make a bunch of noise. If you make it difficult for them, a lot of times criminals will be like, I'm out of here. Now that's not perfect. It's not saying that every time that someone tries to attack someone, if they just make a bunch of noise or fight back, then it's not going to be a problem. But if you look like you're an easy target, then you're inviting criminals. It's the same principle as peace through strength on an international level. If you look like you're weak, other countries are going to be like, well you know, push these people around.

[Brett Dasovic]

Have you ever seen the videos? There's like whole like collections of videos of like street cameras that catch women almost being thrown into cars at the Texas border.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, it's. It's insane. And the ones that get away are the ones who make the most noise, who make the most scene and are able to pull away and run as fast as possible. But a lot of times, you know, it's late at night, somebody's been out drinking, and you make yourself an easy target, and that's what it is.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And the, The. The. The best advice you can give to people is, first of all, don't go to stupid places. Right. Don't go to stupid places with stupid.

[Wayne Dupree]

I learned that a long time.

[Ian Crossland]

This is even in, like, in Austin.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

There was one crazy viral story of a woman. She said that she was drinking with her boyfriend and his brothers, and when they walked out of the bar, she was texting, and they were 10ft in front of her when a car pulled up and grabbed her. And she screamed. And as they're trying to throw into the car, the. The guys run over and grab the door, fight with the guys, grab her, and the car starts peeling away, and they pull her out of the car, and they were like she was 10ft behind her, texting on the phone, and they tried to snatch her off the street.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

In Austin.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it look like. Personally, I'm not a big fan of major cities nowadays. I avoid going to major cities if I can. But, yeah, it's like, it's not safe to be alone. And there. These things kind of. These things can happen. But the more that you have a society that will stand and watch, or if you're. If you're in a place where it's more likely that someone will pull out their phone and record it as opposed to actually help, that that makes it more likely that crime will happen. You know, it makes it more likely that criminals will take advantage of that.

[Ian Crossland]

Of those conditions, Will Chamberlain says what's happened. Daniel Penny isn't justice. Prosecutors successfully dismissed a count that the jury hung on to try and squeeze out a guilty verdict on count two. Justice wouldn't merely be an acquittal. It will require Penny to prevail in a civil lawsuit against those who persecuted him for clearly lawful conduct, which means if he's going to actually win this, it's going to be three, four, five years. And again, the point that I was making earlier is the October 15th deadline has passed. Are you prepared for what's coming? Do you owe back taxes? Are your tax returns still unfiled? Missed the deadline to file for an extension. Now that October 15th is behind us, the IRS may be ramping up enforcement. You could face wage garnishments, frozen bank accounts, or even property seizures if you haven't taken action yet. But there's still hope. Tax Network USA has helped taxpayers save over $1 billion in tax debt and has filed over 10,000 tax returns. They specialize in helping people like you reduce their tax burdens. And they can help you, too. Don't wait any longer. Visit tnusa.com/tim pool or call 1-800-958-1000 for a free consultation. Their experts will walk you through a few simple questions to see how much you can save. Act now before the IRS takes more aggressive steps. Take control today. Visit tnusa.com/tim pool or call 1-800-958-1000. That's it. The moment the deadlock jury was told, don't worry, you can continue. Was the moment the message was sent loud and clear to everybody in New York. Don't you dare be in any way, try and intervene or do anything. And cops aren't going to do it either.

[Tim Pool]

No, Luke.

[Ian Crossland]

Luke Rutkowski has got this, one of his more viral videos. There was a dude on the train. Some guy started stabbing people. And the cops stood there and watched. And the guy fought, the grab, stopped, the stabber got stabbed several times. And then the cops were like, we don't, we don't have any obligation to save anybody.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, I learned that a lot.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Wayne Dupree]

I learned, I had a, I had a policeman talking to a couple of policemen and they were like, you know, yeah, we're here to protect and serve, but we really don't have to stop a fight. We'll wait till it gets finished.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Wayne Dupree]

We don't have to stop it. There's, there's nothing that's coming down now.

[Ian Crossland]

They're going to file the paperwork after the fact and then, you know, good luck. Let's jump to the story, though, from the Daily Mail, Brian Thompson, man hunt live cops find a key item in Central park in search of the United Healthcare CEO's killer. So apparently I've been hearing that they, they found the backpack. They say they've also obtained a DNA swap swab from a water bottle possibly dropped by the killer, who has not yet been identified. They say that the time of the killing, Thompson and his estranged wife Paulette had been living in separate homes. So this is crazy. Investigators have found a backpack in Central park they believe may be linked to United Healthcare CEO killer and NYPD spokesperson Told cnn. So here's what I think. You know, look, we're. We're obviously tracking the details. A lot of speculation as to whether or not they're going to find this person. It sounds like from the corporate news this guy may be the killer. And what they're saying is the reason why it's different clothing and it looks very different is that they think this is the guy prior to that day where he changed his clothes. And I don't know what the rumor was, something like he may have been flirting so he pulled his mask down or something like this.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Is that what you heard? Yeah, he was flirting, so he took the mask.

[Brett Dasovic]

So the jacket is different.

[Tim Pool]

Busted because of the thirst?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, I just assumed it was like, different camera, different color, temperature, and that's.

[Ian Crossland]

What I thought at first, but it's clearly a different jacket. When you look at the structure of the. Of the.

[Brett Dasovic]

The thickness looks like Michael Fassbender in Assassin's Creed.

[Wayne Dupree]

When I heard. Or when I heard the flirting, When I heard the flirting, I was like, okay, you got Earl Flynn now.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but look, look, we were just talking about Daniel Penny and, you know, these, these big. These billionaires and these CEOs who are all backing the Democrats. You got the CEO who just got gunned down. You've got all of these leftists celebrating it and calling for more. And I'm like, is that the world they wanted to live in? Because now they're living in it and the rest of us just left the cities.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, this might be the best example of it actually directly affecting them specifically. But if the idea here is that they're going to back a candidate, say, who's going to be pro abortion, where. Now what they have to do for a lot of times is like, look, we will pay for you to go get an abortion in another city rather than have you take maternity leave. They're going to operate in the best interest of the company until it starts affecting them directly, which is exactly what the leftists on Twitter are so excited about right now, which is why they're rejoicing about it. It's disgusting.

[Wayne Dupree]

You know what I was reading earlier this morning about cvs? Cvs? Because of this, this, they've started taking the exact picture, pictures and stuff from off the wall.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, that was crazy. I was like, wow, what was it?

[Brett Dasovic]

Taylor Lorenz posted the picture of the.

[Ian Crossland]

Of the CEO of Blue Cross. Yeah, yeah. And then a bunch of these down all the bios for their executive leadership. That is. Look. That is Taylor Lorenz is doing. She engaged in veiled terrorism and they.

[Wayne Dupree]

All responded and she doubled down on it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, Blue Cross reversed the policy. And then all these big companies are now taking their, their photos and bios down from websites and deleting the pages.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yep, yep.

[Ian Crossland]

This is crazy. So here's what, here's what I think y'all need to consider. Do you think that these CEOs, these executives saw the news and went, oh, geez, and then called and said, take those pages down. Or do you think these CEOs, who, who, who contract some of the biggest security firms in the world got on the phone and said, what is this about? What do you think? And the security firm said, this is a targeted political hit. So I'll just say this. Having security, my understanding of this is we don't make moves without consulting security because that's why we pay them. So, you know, we've peel boxes and things like this. When they come to us and they tell us, like, here's the assessment, here's what we consider. We do it. So, for instance, when we were getting swatted in bomb threats, often the show would go on and we'd be like, oh, we were swatted earlier. But you didn't see it because security takes care of these things. But there was that one day where we evacuated the building for three hours. My point is, their security companies believe there is a strong enough possibility that this is a politically motivated assassination.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's why they took action and wouldn't reversing policy. Oh, yeah, and acquiescing actually make it worse?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I don't know. I can't make an assessment. I make it worse or not, but I don't think they make any move without consulting lawyers and security. And so they probably go to the security company and say, what is the chance that this is a, this is targeting CEOs of healthcare companies? Or is it anything else? The fact that they actually paid the money to remove this information because not like it's the most expensive thing in the world.

[Wayne Dupree]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

But the bigger the company, the more expensive it's going to be. They probably had to call a dev team and say, we need this taken down, get it done. And then it, it's, it doesn't cost that much for a company this big, but it certainly means that they put in effort. They must believe there's a reasonable possibility this was politically motivated.

[Tim Pool]

I wonder if the security companies actually were like, hey, like, reached out and said, look, we're in charge of your security. You need to take these down.

[Ian Crossland]

Now that, that it could be this too. That it might be exactly that. Not that they know anything but that they said if you. They may have called and said if you publish your photo and your name, we can't protect you. And so the company then just reacted and did it.

[Wayne Dupree]

Well, you know what, all of the pamphlets and all the books, they have to see your pictures and those are going, you know. Yeah, pull those two first.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, but the idea is like, you know, first line of like the easiest thing first. Right. So somebody will take more effort to go and find a pamphlet and then get information on that person. You just because a door lock can be surpassed, you know, can be passed really easily, doesn't mean you don't lock your door.

[Ian Crossland]

Website next this. I'll give you guys another example because I'm very pro to a. And I've often said that, look, if you want to carry a gun and we do an event, I don't care if I don't want to do the event because I'm scared of guns, I won't do the event. And then we can't get insurance or security.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So it's not even an issue of what I want and what I believe in. We get told by different security companies are you're going to. You want to allow weapons in the event. Okay, we sorry, we can't protect you. And they were like, you can pay us. But we tell you straight up there's no security at your event. And we're like, okay. And they're like, so do you want security or not? And then the other issue is insurance. You want, you want people to open carry or concealed carry at your event. Insurance says sorry, not interested, can't get insurance, can't do the event.

[Brett Dasovic]

Is the same thing hold true. Is that why So I mean, among other things, why federal buildings have the same.

[Tim Pool]

No, federal buildings are. They've made that law.

[Brett Dasovic]

But I'm saying like at banks and stuff or any, any regular business that.

[Tim Pool]

Says, yeah, it depends on the bank.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, yeah, most banks have like a gun on with a circle and a line through it being like weapons are not permitted in the premises.

[Brett Dasovic]

Unless you're a criminal, then you bring it anyways.

[Tim Pool]

I mean I was on doing in New Hampshire, there's like none of the.

[Brett Dasovic]

None of the private business. Like a private business. Is that not just because federally it's looked upon what like fed. Like is it like that with private businesses because they're not federally bound to have.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean is like, okay.

[Brett Dasovic]

So if you, if you're at a CVS and you have, like, no guns allowed on the premises. Right. Is that because of federal law? Is that just because of insurance?

[Tim Pool]

That is likely because of a policy that the own. The store owner has. It's not going to be a federal thing because the. The government isn't going to stay, isn't going to say, oh, you can't bring this into a privately owned business.

[Wayne Dupree]

Okay, so what I want to know is, where is he?

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Wayne Dupree]

Where is he?

[Ian Crossland]

They say he fled the state back to Atlanta.

[Tim Pool]

Atlanta?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

Geez.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that's what they're saying. What? He bought a bus ticket from Atlanta to New York with a fake I.D.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, is that what the situation was?

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, dude, if it. If it's. If this dude actually was flirting with some chicken, pulled his mask down, and that's how he's caught.

[Brett Dasovic]

That is the most movie part of the whole plot.

[Wayne Dupree]

It is. Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

As much as, like, whether we're talking about the dude clearing his, you know, clearing the rounds individually, whether we're talking about the fact that he's cool and calm the entire time, doesn't react to the civilian on the side, whether we're talking about the fact that he absconds, moves, and changes clothes and then gets caught because he turns around and pulls his mask down to flirt with someone. They've literally done episodes of TV shows where that happens, where, like, there's an episode of White Collar where, like, a guy. We were talking about it earlier where a guy, like, steals a painting and then he gets caught on camera, like, looks back at a girl and they catch his face in the camera. That's literally this, like, this whole thing is a movie plot.

[Wayne Dupree]

But you know what? In looking at that video and we were talking about earlier, nobody says. Well, not that many people talk about, there was a guy in the truck. There was a guy in the truck, and he saw everything and just. Okay.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, because he'll become Daniel Penny if he does anything about it.

[Wayne Dupree]

Well, I mean, police always say that cars are weapons.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, they. They can be, but.

[Ian Crossland]

I kind of feel like.

[Wayne Dupree]

Floor it, baby. Floor it.

[Ian Crossland]

The jury makeup in the Daniel Penny case. Look, guys, I want to say, you know, that old Tim Civil War pool is feeling pretty good and optimistic based on this massive sweep. And it is true. Republicans winning, basically everything is indicative of a cultural shift in a positive direction which will prevent this violent bifurcation. But you look at the Daniel Penny thing, and there is some optimism there. But there's a question. So one of the super chatters are saying that it's like half men, half women, and one person wearing a double mask. So, you know, the ideological bent of the. Of these people, they don't care what's true. Their angry, emotional, dangerous ideologues.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

But the question then is this is New York.

[Wayne Dupree]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

And so if this is only a couple of lunatics who are doing this, are we actually improving and winning back the culture? So we should be optimistic.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, it's not New York. He didn't come from New York.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I'm saying the jury in New York. Well, I mean, comprised of these people, and it doesn't seem. It's a deadlocked jury. Means they're not all woke. Insane, insane people.

[Tim Pool]

Well, is the idea just one person?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, my first thought was it went back to Rittenhouse. Right. And Rittenhouse being acquitted seemed like a big cultural moment as well, because everybody assumed that he was going to end up going to jail.

[Ian Crossland]

It was scary.

[Brett Dasovic]

Right. So is this the idea that. Does this set us back if Rittenhouse was a step forward, but. Or is to have more to do with the location?

[Ian Crossland]

You know what's crazy? People need to think about this. Earlier today on the Culture War podcast, we had King Randall and Maj Turay on, and we were talking about, you know, like BLM and stuff like that, and Jacob Blake came up. Jacob Blake. You guys know who that was? This is the story where a guy goes to this. His ex wife's house. He had a warrant for felony sexual assault, and. And he goes to this woman's house. I don't know if the reports where it's been a while that he. He was actively assaulting her at the time, or she was scared he was gonna. So she called the police. The police try to subdue him. He ignores the cops, breaks free, walks to his car, reaches for a knife. They shoot him. He gets paralyzed. This is not a guy that anybody should be defending. He should be in jail. The NFL put Jacob Blake on their helmets. All these different teams, they deleted a lot of those posts. But here's the thing. That's why they were protesting Kenosha at the time. It was all obvious to us. Jacob Blake thing happens. Riots happen. Kyronous happens. But now people forget about the Jacob Blake.

[Brett Dasovic]

The whole reason they were there.

[Ian Crossland]

The whole reason they were there, and the fact that mainstream corporate America was supporting the rapist.

[Brett Dasovic]

I would assume that most people thinking back on it now, probably assumed it had more to do with George Floyd.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, they've all Just transposed the time.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why I was saying, like, it's important to remember that this whole thing with Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't just about a kid who was threatened and then tried to defend himself. It was a riot to defend and protect a rapist who tried drawing a knife on cops. And Kyle Rittenhouse was there to render aid when they threatened to kill him. The amount of evil that existed at the time, and I hope is being pushed aside. The amount of evil was, was unfathomable.

[Brett Dasovic]

Do you think a lot of this just has to do with the speed of which information moves and the way it's obfuscated from the people that are used in these situations. Meaning the most useful idiot is the one who goes out and starts protesting without really understanding what they're protesting for.

[Wayne Dupree]

The way, the way that I've have seen it over the years is that the culture only needs a reason. I mean, look, they don't even need a reason. They just need a little spark. That's it. Because there are just some people out here that just want to just tear things up. They don't care. That's where Antifa came from. That's where BLM came from. That's where. Well, I sort of occupy Wall street as a grandfather, grandmother or whatnot. But they just need a reason and then it goes poof and they don't care. And they won't stop until, you know, and until they get paid or whatnot. But you know what I'm saying, they. They won't stop.

[Tim Pool]

That's. That's one of the things that we talk about frequently here is the left needs people that are unhappy, right? Because well adjusted, happy people that, that are pleased with their lives or feel like they have something that they're working for in their lives, working towards in their lives. They don't engage in revolutionary activity. So it doesn't matter if it's a good reason. Just like you said, all they need is just some reason, some excuse and you will have. There are sufficient people that are unhappy where you can get them riled up and say, okay, now it's time to do, just break stuff. And it's, it doesn't have to have a target that, that makes sense and it can just be, I'm mad at society, so let's burn things down.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yep.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, the. Also, there's two layers to that now because yes, the most violent of them may go out into the streets and perform these acts, but then you also get the further uninformed people that will Just do it on social media, which boosts the post.

[Wayne Dupree]

That makes it easy.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's easy, I'm saying, but it makes it even easier to reach more people who are unhappy. And it all sparks from there.

[Ian Crossland]

Palmer Lucky just tweeted some. He tweeted this out a few minutes ago. It's a really good point. He says, I hope the NYC assassination gives certain people a hint as to why concern about mass reporting the location of specific private jets is in fact reasonable rather than hysterical when, when those. There's that guy who's posting what, Taylor Swift's jet and Elon Musk's.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

People don't understand that these jets land at airports with zero security. So like the, the airport in Maryland, it's a, that that yay, flew in and out of. It's a, it's a four foot high chain link fence with a gate. You can pop up and walk in. And if people are saying like, here's where they are, this is the kind of stuff that could happen. So.

[Brett Dasovic]

But that's the sweet spot of where these people like to be.

[Ian Crossland]

Right?

[Brett Dasovic]

Which is rich people, the haves and the have not. And even if the idea is that it's something as stupid as climate change that they're supposedly watchdogging for, it can be. That can be piggybacked by people with much worse intentions than just yelling at Taylor Swift on the Internet.

[Tim Pool]

Just yelling at Taylor Swift.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, there's a lot of people.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there's a lot of people that get mad, especially when it is, when it's a simple understanding of, oh, it's billionaires. Right? This amorphous idea. People that have a lot of money or a, that they believe have a lot of money because they, they're quote, unquote, billionaires or whatever. The idea that, that makes them inherently, you know, it makes it inherently acceptable to attack them and treat them as lesser. That's not new in history. That was the justification for killing all the kulaks in Ukraine in the, in the, you know, the, in the Soviet Union. And that ended with millions of the people that killed the kulaks dying because the kulaks were the ones that knew how to farm. It's not that. Now, granted, I'm not making the argument that this particular CEO is like the, Our society doesn't hinge on this one guy.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But the idea that someone that has a lot of money doesn't deserve it because they are inherently. Are bad for it. Jeff Bezos or the family that owns Walmart, those people provide Thousands and thousands of jobs. And they, they make it easy for millions of people across the country to get food and to get the things they need for their daily life. But that doesn't make them the bad guy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but I see, I would say it doesn't make them necessarily inherently immoral, but I think all that's bad. So aside from the obvious that Walmart destroys mom and pop shops, and that's been a big controversy for a long time. I went to a small town, I think it was in Nebraska, I can't remember, it might have been Oklahoma. And they had a Walmart and it was kind of wild. I was passing through, but people told me we used to have a bunch of small shops. Walmart came in and now the only thing in town is Walmart. Everything's gone. You want to get your car fixed, you go to Walmart. You want to get booze, you go to Walmart. You want to buy guns, you go to Walmart. And so life should not be overly easy. There has to be a degree of challenge in your life to make people more resilient. And while we can certainly say like, yeah, but convenience is different, the problem is it does disrupt local communities. And then the worst thing is there are stories where Walmart has opened a super center in an area, all the small business shut down. And then Walmart realized a year later it's not profitable and decides to move locations. And now there's nothing.

[Brett Dasovic]

The economy's been decimated and those businesses can't reopen because.

[Ian Crossland]

That's right, because you need, you need like 50 grand for, you know, for your inventory or whatever. And some of it might be generational stores.

[Wayne Dupree]

That's what happened in the town that, that I was raised in. It's like the whole downtown Main Street, Ray street, all those mom and pop shops and everything, they went out and put Walmart on the outskirts of the city and then they put more of the strip mall shops outside of the city. Now you can just walk. I mean, those old stores, nobody's using the, you know, and it's like, wow. I mean, and the convenience that you were just talking about, some of the old people can't just get out to the outskirts of the city anymore, you know, I mean, you know, they might have a dustbuster bus or whatnot, but I mean, it's a shame that it's like that.

[Brett Dasovic]

But the anger at someone like Jeff Bezos to me is, is the most interesting because it just feels like it depends on your philosophy for life. So out here, we go by a lot of areas that are very rural that would not normally be able to get packages as quickly as they do. Not to mention the jobs that it provides for people who do work, whether as delivery or in a warehouse and things like that. And I look at that and I see that as a marvel of growth and invention, which I find is something to aspire to. Now. There's obviously greater concerns there as far as what it does for the job market. Frankly, if we're talking about overtaking the post office, they lose billions and billions of dollars every year. Right. But the point is, is that there is a level of envy that comes with someone's success where they cannot focus on the good provided by a business. They can only think about it in terms of the negative. And that has grown as income inequality has grown in this country. That's one of the problems.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's jump to this story from the Chicago Sun Times. Far right influencer Nick Fuentes, charged with battery of Berwin woman Marla Rose, previously said that Fuentes pepper sprayed her and pushed her down the front steps of his west suburban home. Now he's facing a misdemeanor charge. Okay, let's clarify a few things. It was two steps, okay? Just two. That's important. And that is the clarification right there. I'm going to come out right, and say it right on the top. This, these charges should never been filed. This should be dropped. And it's ridiculous. I am not a fan of Nick Fuentes, but clearly if. Okay, the dude, what did he do? He trolled on the Internet. He said, your body, my choice. Far, like, so far away from being offensive and illegal. And look, the dude has said more offensive things in his life. Many people say more. Taylor Lorenz, yeah, Says substantially more offensive things and double down and double down. Fuentes starts getting death threats and gets doxxed because of this. These people are celebrating it. By all means, don't dox people, but you're allowed to insult and not like Nick Fuentes. And then as the dude's getting death threats and there's, there's like, apparently were a couple vehicles with people in them in front of his house. A woman walks up holding, apparently she's holding something, her phone. And Fuentes opens the door and pepper sprays her. He's getting charged for this. He's at his home minding his own business. Look, how many times have there been officers that have been deemed justified in shootings because someone was holding a cell phone and they didn't know if it Was a weapon or not. I'm not saying they should be justified. But if Nick Fuentes, all he did was pepper spray and shove somebody because they're walking up to his house.

[Wayne Dupree]

On his property.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, on his property. Now, I certainly think there's an argument of, look, maybe you should call the police and back off because it's stupid to approach the door with pepper spray if you think someone might be trying to kill you. But the idea that he would get arrested, charged, and mugshotted over this, I think is stupid.

[Tim Pool]

It's Illinois.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And that's why I'm not surprised because defending yourself is illegal in that state. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

As far as I'm. It was dumb for him to do that because of where he lives. Like, you should know that the state that you're. That you live in doesn't approve of any kind of self defense, Any kind of active self protection at all.

[Brett Dasovic]

How long after it happened was he arrested? Was it.

[Ian Crossland]

It looks like it's today.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, it happened today.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, the arrest happened today.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the arrest was today.

[Wayne Dupree]

No, I thought it was before Thanksgiving.

[Ian Crossland]

He was arrested. He was arrested before Thanksgiving.

[Wayne Dupree]

The 27th.

[Tim Pool]

December 7th.

[Wayne Dupree]

Okay, okay, okay. Arrested today.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, he was arrested on the 27th. I didn't even realize it was that long ago that he got arrested. Oh, wow. You know, it was Thanksgiving for me. I wasn't paying attention. Yeah, I think this is ridiculous. And a lot of people are posting online. If I'm getting a bunch of death threats and you show up to my house.

[Wayne Dupree]

That's what I was thinking too. I was like, you don't know what's coming in his email. You don't know what is what. The messages might be left on his phone. I mean, so if somebody just walks up to your house and you ain't never seen these people before and they got something in the head, just like you said, It's a phone. You don't know. I mean, okay, well, I'm at the door.

[Ian Crossland]

So I would say, like, if you live in Illinois, Nick, you shouldn't live in Illinois.

[Tim Pool]

That's the big. That's the big takeaway.

[Ian Crossland]

I know, I know. So, so there, there are some distinctions here. Look, we're in West Virginia. You cannot walk up to this property. We have security perimeter and we have security. So even our food delivery guys are like, I don't know, what is it? Like a football field away confused because you can't get in. And if you try to get in, you will be severely hurt because there are there's like, several signs before you come in. There's a big difference. If you were somehow able to walk up to my front door, it's you're you. If. If don't do it, I'll just say, just please do. For the love of all that is holy, do not come to the front door of my house.

[Wayne Dupree]

Cancel Christmas. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm just saying, like, you've already committed a felony at that point. If you're able to make it to the front door and there's armed security guards who aren't gonna wait to ask questions, considering we get death threats. The difference for Nick Fuentes is that he's on a public street in a residential area where his property line is 10ft. And so the argument they're gonna make is this could be a delivery person or a solicitor that he just pepper sprays randomly. He didn't wait to find out. He didn't know it was. He can certainly argue that he was concerned or whatever, but they're going to argue. If he really thought he was facing a threat, he would have called the police and he would have went and hid or gone out the back door or done something else.

[Brett Dasovic]

Second I heard this and I heard Chicago, I imagined it being at the house from home alone.

[Tim Pool]

Just opened the door and the spray just shoots out.

[Brett Dasovic]

Harry and Marv are there.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look, Tim and myself have both moved because of the place that we were living in was no longer to our liking. I live in. My house is in New Hampshire and I live here. And, you know, I got an apartment here in West Virginia. Like, that's by choice intentionally. I'm fortunate in that, you know, the jobs that I do make. Make that possible or made that possible. But I didn't like the laws in Massachusetts, so I left. You see people doing this from leaving California. A lot of times they're leaving for. For monetary reasons and going to Texas or going to Florida. But people move out of places that are not to their liking. Nick doing this in Illinois. Nick was dumb to do this because of where he lives. It's not that he was. It was wrong of him to do it. He actually didn't hurt the woman he sp. Mater, but he didn't cause permanent damage. He didn't shoot her.

[Wayne Dupree]

Made her famous.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well. Yeah, so.

[Ian Crossland]

So hold on. I don't think he was arrested. Okay, so all of the stories that are coming up right now from today saying he was arrested, Right? I don't think it was reported that it was on the 27th, but they're reporting now that after the incident, he was booked, fingerprinted, and searched on November 27th and ultimately charged with battery and released.

[Wayne Dupree]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

He's due in Cook county on the 19th. Well, you know what, man? I'll tell you, Nick, these court systems are not fair and they don't care. And they absolutely will take into account.

[Wayne Dupree]

Everything that he has done.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep. And so we've seen this before with other personalities. If you're a controversial figure, the judge is going to be like, don't know, don't care. The law doesn't apply to you. You're going to jail.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, that's what will happen here.

[Ian Crossland]

I. I think the judge is gonna. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yep.

[Wayne Dupree]

Maybe a short time. But, you know, he.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, if you, If. Look, everybody knows if you go to court and you insult the judge, good luck, he's going to be like, okay, lock him up.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So Nick, going to court, you're going to get a judge in Illinois who's likely going to be liberal leaning, and they're going to think to themselves two things. I don't want to be the person to go light on Nick Fuentes because it's going to reflect poorly on me. And this guy's a dickhead. And so he gets what's coming to him. The judge is going to be like, lock him up.

[Tim Pool]

Even being not an Internet troll and being right leaning, like, publicly right leaning, you're risking getting a left leaning judge and the judge deciding that he wants to punish you. Look at Kyle Rittenhouse, like, he got lucky that the judge was not left leaning. Yeah, right.

[Ian Crossland]

Look at Daniel Penny.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. So, like, Daniel Penny, you don't even really know his politics other than he wanted to help the people that he was in the, in the subway with. So, like Nick Fuentes, Donald Trump, if they go. Yeah, exactly. Donald Trump was a Democrat forever. If they look into Nick Fuentes, his history, which they likely will, they are not going to be kind to him. They're going to say, this kid's a. This kid is a bad kid, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, so, I mean, and I'm not endorsing this. I don't think it's a good thing at all. Right. Like, I, I think Nick is silly and, and I think that he's got some dumb ideas, but, like, I don't have anything personal against the guy, but this is, this, like, this is gonna be. It's gonna be a bad deal for him. It's gonna turn into something really, really, really bad. It was very Very dumb to do this in Illinois.

[Brett Dasovic]

Wait, do you think that he's going to get community service? Do you think he's going to get jail time for.

[Tim Pool]

I think whatever. Whatever.

[Ian Crossland]

The.

[Tim Pool]

He assaulted someone so he could get jail time, I assume. I don't know what the laws are. I don't know what they're going to charge him with. I don't know what the laws are, like in. In what's it called, but I don't imagine he's going to get leniency. I don't think they're going to be like, well, he means well. And so we're going to go ahead and. And. And just give him probation when really what they're going to say is, oh, your body, my choice. So he thought that he was within his rights to mace this person because he obviously thinks that it's their body is his, you know, his to do with as he dispose of as he pleases. They're going to see that. They're going to say that and they're going to be like, throw the book at him.

[Wayne Dupree]

I can see him going in there. And the judge looking right dead. Adam was like, oh, you're Nick.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

You know, it's like, oh, yeah, hopefully he doesn't get a brother.

[Ian Crossland]

I bet it's. Oh, man. I bet it's worse than that. The judge is going to get handed the docket and the documents. He's going to go.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, yeah. Or like, hopefully he's the first case. Because usually as, I mean, you know, if judge has been up there for three or four hours, you know, they tend to get a little bit more pissed off and that's it. I don't want to hear it. 30 days.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, I don't. I don't. I imagine, honestly, I think it'll be way, way more than 30 days.

[Wayne Dupree]

You think so?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I do. I think that they're going to want.

[Wayne Dupree]

To make an example or Mason a push.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Whatever.

[Ian Crossland]

Battery. I think it's like, what is it, six months?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I don't know. But whatever the.

[Ian Crossland]

Whatever. The maximum could be six months.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think whatever the. Whatever the fullest extent of the law allows. I think that that's what the judge will give him.

[Ian Crossland]

They're going to argue that he instigated.

[Wayne Dupree]

And incited while he was inside of his home.

[Tim Pool]

No, beforehand.

[Ian Crossland]

They're going to say he intentionally went online and antagonized. Instigated, creating a threat he was well aware of. They'll likely. And I'm not saying. I don't know if for sure this happened, but one pathway they might go is they're going to find examples of him gloating, laughing, and saying things like, screw you. What can you do about it? Blah, blah, blah. And then they're going to be like, so he was. So if there's. I'm pretty sure this is how it works in Illinois. If, in Illinois, you instigate a fight, then your, your, your defense is limited. So if someone punches you into this battery and then they can prove that you actually told the guy, what are you gonna do about it? You insulted him and said, hit me, I dare you. And things like that, they're like, that's your fault. You instigated a fight.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

So basically. So basically what you're saying is that that video that he kind of made fun and stuff like that, that could.

[Ian Crossland]

Be shown, everything he said can and will be used against him in a court of law.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know anything about the victim, but if she's, if she's Jewish, he's doomed.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I don't know. She's woke. And then.

[Tim Pool]

Because look at, look at his, you know, look at his, his past rhetoric.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, no, they, I don't know.

[Wayne Dupree]

Can you imagine if she's Jewish and they've already charged them and the judge is a brother? I mean, that's, that's, that's like 10 years.

[Tim Pool]

I mean.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, so as much as I think that any judge could hold it against Nick Fuentes because he's a controversial public figure that says things that offend people, I wouldn't immediately assume that just because the judge is black, he's not gonna, he's not capable of being impartial. You know what I mean? I think typically judges are personal and they have emotions and they're gonna weigh that, but I don't think. I don't.

[Wayne Dupree]

If it's the afternoon case and he's been up there for a little bit.

[Ian Crossland]

But that could be anybody, right?

[Wayne Dupree]

That's true.

[Ian Crossland]

I'll tell you this, hanging judges down there. If Clarence Thomas was a judge and Fuentes came in, he's not going to be like, I hate this guy. I'm going to throw the book at him. Clarence Thomas is going to do a good job being a good judge.

[Wayne Dupree]

Well, Clarence is a little bit different than.

[Ian Crossland]

He's the cream of the crowd. He's the best of the best, but.

[Wayne Dupree]

He'S a little bit different than those judges that are out there doing.

[Ian Crossland]

I agree. I agree. You know, you can't compare the best judge that we have in the entire country with your run of the mill Cook county local district court judge or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

Clarence Thomas is awesome.

[Tim Pool]

He's the og.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Alito's great, too. I'm glad those guys are on the, on the top.

[Wayne Dupree]

And those headlines won't help them either. I mean, you. White. White nationalists, really? Yeah. In Chicago.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, they're gonna, they're gonna throw the book at him, but who knows? Who knows? We. Maybe we may be overthinking it. The courts, look, they're lazy. They don't want to deal with this stuff.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

They just might be like, how do I make this go away? And then there's two considerations. It could be saying the protesters are going to get mad if we don't get something out of him, so they're going to offer him a plea bargain of some sort. That's got to satisfy the activists.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, what would happen with George Floyd in the trial? Like, they.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I don't know that they're. I mean, they might be. I mean, that's a consideration. They could say, listen, if you let this guy off without. With anything light, there's going to be riots.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

These people want blood.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, I don't know if this. I don't think that.

[Ian Crossland]

Or who Nick Fuentes is. And so the, the, the, the. Wow. The court's going to be saying, why did someone show up to his house in the first place?

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Because he's antagonistic on the Internet. Okay. How many, how many of these people are there? There's a lot of people who are mad about this. It went massively viral. Okay, what's the likelihood. What's the, what's the ramifications if we give him a plea deal? Like, you could have protests. Well, we don't want protests. So what do we do? You got to get a conviction, something.

[Wayne Dupree]

Would her character come into this, too?

[Ian Crossland]

The woman got pushed. I doubt it. The consideration is not that Nick doesn't. They don't care. It's not a question of, did Nick do something wrong? It's a question of how do we avoid political ramifications from this? And it's a question of. Here's a question for you guys. Do you think the left would protest if they dismissed the charges?

[Tim Pool]

Pardon me?

[Ian Crossland]

If they dismiss the charges, would the left protest?

[Wayne Dupree]

I don't think so.

[Ian Crossland]

Then they're good. Then I think dismissal is likely because they're going to be like, I don't care about this. Right. They're going to be like, why is this guy. Who cares? You push the woman. This is a waste of our time.

[Wayne Dupree]

I mean, with all.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a dude who just shot three people on the south side.

[Wayne Dupree]

Exactly, exactly. I mean, you know, there's little kids that are getting shot under on the front steps and stuff. This, this is.

[Brett Dasovic]

I didn't see this coming to something that would end up being protests or anything like that.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, no, no.

[Ian Crossland]

If they say Nick Fuentes pepper sprayed and pushed this woman and he will face. And he's let go with no charges, I think there's a small, small probability that people might protest and be like.

[Brett Dasovic]

News cycle is so fast now.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's why I say I just see this disappearing.

[Ian Crossland]

In which case, then I think it's not likely that they throw the book at him.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, maybe if there are any protests, it'd be those groipers.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, you know what would start a protest if not only if they want to protest, they'd have to dismiss the charges, issue a public apology, stand with him at city hall, shaking his hand and saying, you're a good person and that will get you a protest.

[Wayne Dupree]

How to do it.

[Brett Dasovic]

They're looking to do it.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, throwing her down the steps.

[Ian Crossland]

It was, it was, it was two stairs. It barely qualifies as a curb.

[Wayne Dupree]

That's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't agree with him doing it, but I also, because, because of where he lives in Chicago, and I'm from Chicago, you someone walks up to your door and knocks, I don't think the appropriate response is what he did. I should say this. I don't know the circumstances. I don't know. He could have got an email saying, I'm coming to your house right now. And I bet he does. And so when woman shows up, he's like, oh, crap. Who knows? I mean, but he shouldn't live in Illinois because the proximity, there's no way to secure himself and he's going to end up in a situation like this.

[Tim Pool]

If he could produce an email in the past few hours that says, someone like, I'm on the way to your house, then that might be something that help his, his case.

[Ian Crossland]

I Bet he has 5,000 DMs, emails and messages of people saying, I'm coming right now to get you.

[Tim Pool]

That's possible. Yeah. I mean, maybe, actually, maybe then maybe he produces these and he says, look, this is the constant barrage that I'm under. I know that I say things that are inflammatory, but this is the reason why I behaved that way.

[Wayne Dupree]

But you know, the photo that is famous, right? Him just standing. I mean, just a picture of him standing up, looking over like Dirty Harry. Like, you know, that, that. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they bring up January 6th too, because he was there.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's jump to the story from Fox News. Sarah Silverman says she's become less political because no one wants to hear from celebrities anymore. Liberal comics said it wouldn't have made a difference if she'd been more outspoken this election. I wonder if the real story is that no one wants to hear from you.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe, but I feel like it's a win either way.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I think the reality is here is we have basically had such a decisive win in the culture war that the enemy has been routed. They have fallen from their horses and are fleeing and scattering in random directions.

[Brett Dasovic]

There's also, there was a lot of news coming out this week. Look, George Clooney blames Obama for basically turning him into a patsy.

[Wayne Dupree]

And you left me with the bag.

[Brett Dasovic]

You left him holding the bag. That's what he said. And there was another article came out today that the, the activist class in Hollywood is basically, they're taking a step back now and what they're going to do in the future is focus on local elections because they want to keep pushing abortion and climate change propaganda and stuff like that. And for these actors and actresses, look, last week we had Alec Baldwin and we had Sharon Stone calling all of America, half of America idiots for who they voted for while condescendingly telling them, well, you don't even have a passport. How could you possibly know what's good for you? These people never learn. Like, this is actually like, as much as we make fun of it, this is actually a certain amount of self reflection that's honestly pretty rare amongst them.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you think that wokeness in Hollywood is being diminished?

[Brett Dasovic]

No.

[Wayne Dupree]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

You think it's getting worse?

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, I don't know about getting worse. I think that it ends up staying the same. I think as long as streaming services are just saddled with endless need for content, that there's too much content being made, there's too many substandard content that rely on it and there's too many holes in the system to pull it out and get rid of it. Meaning that sure, at the, at the level of big budget movies, you'll see a pullback on it in a lot of ways. If you look at the stuff that comes out, they'll go back one direction. But as soon as you go Back to television. Look, they've got 10,000 shows coming out and only so many good script writers. There are only. There is only one Taylor Sheridan and only a few.

[Ian Crossland]

Everyone else should be fired, and everybody.

[Brett Dasovic]

Else should be fired. Right, But. But for the most part. For the most part, you're not going to see it go away because it's too entrenched in the coastal elite.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm ready to get rid of every streaming service.

[Brett Dasovic]

Just Paramount.

[Ian Crossland]

Except Paramount at this point. I was. So I'm watching Landman and I'm waiting for the next episode. And so I'm like, well, come on, man. Yellowstone is like. It's messed up. It's gone. I don't know.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Kevin Goss. And so then I started watching Tulsa King, and I'm like, man, this is good.

[Brett Dasovic]

Landman and Tulsa. What it proves to you is like, you can even tell. You can tell stories that have elements of progressivism in there, as long as you don't treat the characters like.

[Ian Crossland]

Right, right.

[Wayne Dupree]

But Taylor's a great storyteller.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, everybody go watch Saario right now after.

[Ian Crossland]

Awesome. The scene at the border. Border.

[Brett Dasovic]

Maybe the Den Ville. Nu. It's probably the greatest master class intention building in cinema history. Listen for the dog. Listen. Dog barking.

[Ian Crossland]

Because they have a. What's her face in it? Emily Blunt. Is that her name? She's in it, and it's. It's wild to me that she's got. It's a great character. There's action, there's suspense. There's good writing. You can have strong whammons or whatever you want. And then whenever you get these female writers and these woke writers that wanted. That intentionally want to make strong women woke content. It's just miserably awful.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, it is.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, when you. When you watch that movie, it's because you see her just. Just experience the horror of what's going on at the border. And she's. She is not there to be the strong, independent woman. She's there to look at the horrors of what's going on in the drug war and be the audience's eyes.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you see that meme where it's like men writing women and it shows like, Ripley from Alien and like Katniss Everdeen and this is women writing women, and it's she Hulk twerking.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's. It's like men writing lawyers. It's men writing lawyers and stuff like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

Sicario is the dinner scene, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

At the very end.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

So good.

[Brett Dasovic]

First time I saw, like, what The.

[Wayne Dupree]

I know, I know. Look, I almost peed on myself. I was like, I can't believe he just did that.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. You know, with like the success of Yellowstone, everybody was talking about how it's like, look, it's not woke and it's, it's the biggest show right now. And people were claiming that it was like Game of Thrones for conservatives or whatever. And then Costner left and now the show is just. I don't even know the show is at this point. I'm not going to watch it, I mean, either. But I'm like, these shows that are massively successful, like all of Sheridan's shows, they are not woke. And there's, there's an element critical. Landman. I didn't even know Landman came out until that viral scene where he's talking to that young, that woman and he's explaining how wind turbines and it's such amazing writing things you don't even consider. She's in the car and she goes, green energy. You know, what is it like encroaching on the oil? And he's like, no, oil companies are using alternative energy to power the pumps. And then she's like, what? And then he gets out and he explains the amount of. He's like, do you have any idea how much diesel it takes to get these things to haul them out here to put the 12ft of concrete in the ground, to put it up? They're out here not because it's green energy, because there's no power lines to power the pumps.

[Brett Dasovic]

What's the same thing that he does that they do in Yellowstone when he explains, like all of the animals that are killed to farm avocados and stuff like that? All it is is it takes a certain level of research on their part and the ability to think past the level of a tweet. Right. Like actually have a discussion. If you listen to his discussion with Joe Rogan and he talks about the process of writing these characters, he said all of it has to do with actually doing your research and allowing characters to be multifaceted and they don't have to do. One of the problems with a lot of the writing in Hollywood is that if somebody has progressive ideals, they can have no flaws. They cannot be like. The point now is that you need to actually be able to write characters again where you can actually be a bad guy and still be the focus of the show. I mean, like, you can be a mid level person. You can have good traits and bad.

[Wayne Dupree]

Traits, but are you blurring I. But is that blurring the line with bad and good?

[Brett Dasovic]

Not in the way.

[Wayne Dupree]

Destroying culture too. Because you. We were talking about Thanos earlier from the Marvel stuff. You know, it's like total, total badass. Yeah. I mean, you know, you, you feel for the guy. Oh man, he. Yeah, you know, he, he wouldn't help his world, you know. But when you blur that line of good and bad, there is no more good and bad anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

There is what they keep trying to do. I'm just so sick of it. Like Rings of Power got roasted because they gave the orcs families and tried to justify the orcs. And it's like the orcs were meant to be malevolent, evil and incarnate and that was it. Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

One of the worst examples this year, if anybody watched the God awful Crow reboot, which is one of the. It's an abomination. Whatever you do don't see that movie. It's one of the worst things you've ever seen.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

And to your point, in the original Crow, the whole point is there's an extremely poignant anti drug message to the film that is very, very layered and important to the character because he lives in a city full of chaos, Drugs, crime. And he's killed on Halloween on the eve of his wedding. Which is a very, very, you know, poignant thing to think about by criminals. And then when they make the reboot, they're like a bunch of goths who do drugs together. And it's like. Did you even watch the original movie?

[Ian Crossland]

Bro, Bro. You got to see the, The Craft. The Craft reboot. Have you seen that one?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

I recommend it. I recommend it to everybody. And then after you watch it, you're going to be like, curse you, Tim Pool. How could you? Yo. The original craft from the 90s, it's a 14 age girls and they're witches and then they do witch stuff and they fight.

[Wayne Dupree]

It's cool though. I mean, it was cool.

[Ian Crossland]

It was fun. They basically start fighting with each other.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And. And it's like an internal conflict and you're like, wow, the new Craft, it's like one of the witches is a trans girl. Like so it's like a male. And then they use magic to turn the bully gay. I'm not kidding. And then the bad guy turns out to be literally the patriarchy. Of course. It's actually, yeah, it's actually, it's David Duchovny and he's like, I'm a man and I'm. I'm here because I'm in charge and I have the power.

[Brett Dasovic]

Think about that. Like, this is what I'm talking about. Like, those ideas are so grandiose and stupid when all you have to do is like, wow, the oil industry is crazy. Let's write about the oil industry because this dude is black bagged by a bunch of cartel members and then basically does a deal with them to dude Tyler Taylor Sheridan's.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm imagining all of his shows. It's like he sees a tweet from a leftist that's really stupid. Like, we need more wind turbines to offset carbon emissions. And he went, you idiot. No. So he sits down with the executives and he's like, here's one tweet. And they're like, we could do a show about a guy who works on oil companies. And then what do they have? 2. Two incredible scenes where it's basically explaining to the audience how dumb they are and not. Not like disrespectfully making a point. So the opening scene of Landman is some of the best television I have seen in. In a. In a decade. I don't know.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's still. The rest of the series still needs to catch up to how good that.

[Ian Crossland]

I know it was like an IPO. It starts off at $100 and then drops down to 10. And let me just explain without spoiling it, the opening scene of the whole show sells it so well. Billy Bob, he's. He's. He's black bagged. Cartel members are like, you think you can come on our land? And then he basically explains the power of the oil industry to these guys with guns. And like, I'm going to spoil it a little bit. They basically set it up so you know how bad these guys are. One guy shoots another guy and he kicks his body over and he's like, you're going to come on my land. And then he's basically like, the oil industry makes $6.8 million off, you know, each acre per day. And then he's like breaking down the numbers and he's like, yeah, they're coming. And then the cartel gets scared. And that's how they're like, you know how bad the cartel is? Let me explain the oil industry. And I don't want to spoil it, but you need to see it. And then he's got that, that, that next. That should have went viral too.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Then there's another scene where he's basically like, wind turbines will never offset the cost of the oil that is required to make it because you got to produce the Concrete, lubricate the machine. You got to ship it, haul it, build the transmission lines for. For the wind. It takes so much oil to make, you'll never get that energy back.

[Brett Dasovic]

Most television shows are tweets. His shows are threat. Are threats.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Are actual threads just explaining exactly what's going on. It's the same thing that they did in the sequel to Sicario, which is also not as bad as a lot of people pretended to be. But the whole point in that is that they get involved by trying to frame the cartels fighting each other and get to get the US Government involved in the war on drugs. Right. And that's a very interesting premise as well, but it's just not quite as good as the original film because it's more personal.

[Wayne Dupree]

Merrick Kingston is Taylor's right? Yeah, same thing. I mean, you know, if you. If you go through the first two episodes of that, you're stuck. You're like, oh, my God. I mean, it went here, you know, I mean. And you got Hawkeye from Marvel, Jeremy Renner. Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Also, all of this stuff was done infinitely just as well back in the early 2000s with the show called the Wire, which everyone should go watch as well right now.

[Wayne Dupree]

Now, you know what? It took me a long time to watch the Wire. Those first I had. I. I never watched it while I was on tv, but one day I was like, okay, I'm getting sick of watching all of these other. Let me just check it out. And after the first two, I. I was stuck. I was binge watching, though.

[Brett Dasovic]

Blows your mind.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah. The.

[Brett Dasovic]

The.

[Wayne Dupree]

And I live in Baltimore.

[Brett Dasovic]

And then the thing is, like, that actually has a similar scene at the opening, which I thought was extremely. It was just unbelievable, where he's. McNulty is sitting there with one of the kids that's in this gang, right? And there's a dead body there. And he's talking about throwing dice with this kid and how they let him come back week after week, even though he always tries to run off with the money. And he says. And he goes. He goes, but, you know he's going to try and steal it. Why do you let him come back? He goes, you have to. This is America, man. Like that, like in the whole point of the show is that it talks about the war on drugs, right? As the war on terror had started and all the resources had been pulled away. And that show actually had the creator of David Simon, like, they were like, arrested by local police because it made the police and the government look bad. So they were Actually continuously bothered by local law enforcement because they shined a light on them that was negative, but at the same time did not portray the drug trade as something to aspire to, but rather its own enterprise with its own problems and issues. And that type of writing is just used to be far more than norm back in the golden age of television and we're just not there anymore.

[Wayne Dupree]

You were talking about the. The wokism in Hollywood and with Sarah Silverman and nobody really wants to hear her anymore and stuff. When you like when Narcos, when. When Narcos was on for that first season, it's like, okay, I can see how that, you know, this is totally bad at. And then the wokeism came in there in the second season when you thought cartels. Those boys are Billy Badasses, man. You know, messing them. And then. And then all of a sudden you have a homosexual connection with one of the cartoon. What the hell?

[Brett Dasovic]

That did that fairly well. If you ever saw Power, you know what I'm saying? You ever saw the show Power with Omari Hardwick and that's a very, very good show.

[Wayne Dupree]

It is a good show.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, that's. I mean, it's got like nine spin offs now, which I'm not as.

[Ian Crossland]

You ever see Power.

[Brett Dasovic]

The one about this, the.

[Ian Crossland]

The.

[Brett Dasovic]

Was it the superheroes that.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, it was. What was it? Sharlto Copley? I think.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I did not see PlayStation Network TV show.

[Brett Dasovic]

What was the one. What was the one about the. The cleanup crew that always cleans up after the superheroes destroy the city?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I don't know.

[Brett Dasovic]

Remember that one? There was a show. It's literally just about the people who have to pick up the city after they destroy it. The fights.

[Ian Crossland]

We're talking about this a little bit before the show, but I blame conservatives a lot for nothing. Not promoting shows that actually are good and only ever complaining about shows that are bad.

[Wayne Dupree]

That's true.

[Ian Crossland]

So I referenced the show called the Order on Netflix, which only got two seasons before getting canceled. The second season villain is literally a communist. A Marxist communist professor at university. And I'm just like, how. How come every single conservative wasn't saying, like, watch this show. It's not the greatest show ever. It's people.

[Brett Dasovic]

They're not giving the chance. Like, no, like the stuff I. My timeline. Literally nothing but stuff that I like. But none of it's recent.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't. I don't think conservatives consume as much culture as the left does.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And I think this is reflected in everything we see. Conservatives are More likely to be at work. Also, they're not watching TV all day.

[Wayne Dupree]

You know what? I challenge that because there are a lot of ones that are on my timeline because I watched ID channel a lot. I mean, I'm fascinated with, with a whole lot of stuff that is going on in the heartland of America. But so many of them are like closet ID chat. They, they don't say it, they don't promote it. Just like you said that. They don't talk about what's good. They just, we just don't do it.

[Brett Dasovic]

One of the problems is also, like, if we're talking about social media is like, they're, the whole point is to go out and complain about something.

[Ian Crossland]

Right, right.

[Brett Dasovic]

Where it's like, I, like, I tweeted something other day. It was like a response about, like, the mob. Like, people who like mob movies. Right, right.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I saw that Emma Vigilant was.

[Brett Dasovic]

Tweeting about it, and my point was like, like, look, people like mob movies because it's an a window into a culture that you're just never going to experience. But I spend most of my time tweeting about shows and movies that I like, and nobody looks at that stuff because nobody wants to hear about the stuff that you like. They want to hear about the stuff that you're mad about.

[Ian Crossland]

I, I, I watch mob movies because I just, just wish I lived in those, in those cultures. But it's romanticizing, for sure. I'm just, I'm just talking about a Bronx tale. You know what I mean? Like, so it's, it's far from perfect. But the biker scene, I always reference that, that is a good example of you treat people with respect, you get respect and kind. You come into someone's neighborhood to cause problems and attack people, and that, that community will throw you out.

[Brett Dasovic]

That is a, that is the type of story that resonates with people. One of my favorite examples, man thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Justice or no.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, have you ever seen He Heat with Robert De Niro? And okay, so there's a scene during the bank heist you've never seen. Well, that's, that's your homework for the weekend. So there is this, there's a scene when at the bank heist at the end where Robert De niro's character where McCauley comes in and he's robbing the bank, and he's talking to the people who he's holding hostage. He says, he goes, do not think about doing anything. Your money is here, is insured by the federal government. We're not here for your money. You're not going to lose a dime. That's the idea of the gentleman criminal.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

And people love that idea when.

[Ian Crossland]

When Johnny Depp's Dillinger.

[Brett Dasovic]

I was. I was gonna say public enemies. Right. Like, the gentleman criminal is the type of character that people. Because you're never going to live in that world, and it still gives you, like, the idea of, like, maybe I could do that. If I was like, I'm a good person. Maybe I could do that. But they know that that's just not a world they're ever going to live in.

[Ian Crossland]

Dillinger would apparently, like, I guess the rumor. I don't know if it's true, but he would destroy mortgage papers.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And so a lot of people are like, he was like Robin Hood. And I'm like, nah. He just knew that he get the public on his side because they were crossing their fingers, hoping he destroyed their mortgage.

[Wayne Dupree]

Oh, and they protected him, too, you know. Where's he at? He's not here.

[Ian Crossland]

That's right.

[Wayne Dupree]

Shut up.

[Ian Crossland]

Shut up. Let's go for free.

[Tim Pool]

Or.

[Brett Dasovic]

Have you ever seen American Gangster? That's a huge part of Denzel Washington. And they talk about, was it Bumpy Johnson giving out turkeys at Thanksgiving? That was a big part of that. The allure of those types of stories.

[Ian Crossland]

People should watch Stander. I'm sure Serge knows all about Stander. Yeah, he does. Look, he's nodding. He knows Andre Standard. He was a police captain and then turned to a bank robber. So he's like their, Their, their Dillinger, that movie with what's his face. Who's that actor who played the Punisher?

[Brett Dasovic]

Jon Bernthal.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, for first.

[Brett Dasovic]

The.

[Ian Crossland]

The first film, like 20 years ago from the Highlander.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, I do. No, of course. I get the. I get Max Headroom off air. I get Matt Brewer off air. But now I'm, I'm. I'm blanking here.

[Ian Crossland]

What was the guy.

[Tim Pool]

What year? 1997.

[Ian Crossland]

Punisher film.

[Tim Pool]

What year? 1997?

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, like 2000 something. Tom Jane.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, Thomas Jane. Okay. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Tom Jane plays Andre Stander. And that movie's amazing. And then you hear the story about this guy. Dude, his. It's amazing. So Stander, the Standard gang, they rob a bank. As they're leaving the bank with all the money they stole, they're listening to the radio. And on the radio, they were. They have an interview and a report with the manager who says, fortunately, the bank missed the safe that was hidden behind a painting. So they slammed the brakes, turn around and go back to the bank. The cops have left. They walk up, knock on the door. The guy opens, sorry, we're closed. And he points the gun. Remember me? And then they go and rob the safe that they missed. He broke into prison to break his friends out. And that's like, dude, the story's wild. I recommend it. It was a fun movie. It's a while ago, but those are.

[Brett Dasovic]

Those are the type of stories that resonate with people. And what Hollywood does now is they try to shoehorn ideas of what coastal elites like. And back in the day, the stories that were told were told by people that really, really loved literature and they really loved classic stories that they like to adapt mo you know, in a modern way. Now what you have is people create things for the purpose of streaming rather than to create great art. They're looking to create and sell something for a quick buck to Netflix.

[Wayne Dupree]

Well, back there in the day, just like you said, great stories.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

Today's stories, they're redoing those yesterday's stories with that wokeism that we were just talking about earlier and make it into a eight, eight series part.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. Which is sad because people back in the day would have loved that. They would have loved the idea of being able to get long form stories in the way that stories used to be told. But you don't get to keep that.

[Wayne Dupree]

We had them. We, we had them on Monday nights, Monday night movies. And then you had your, you know, your little Thorn Birds. And then you had the different miniseries and stuff. I mean, just glorious. Like big old, big old rollouts. You know what?

[Ian Crossland]

You know, I wonder if it's just the glory days. The golden age is over. I mean, we had such. Well, okay, maybe I'm just crazy and maybe we romanticize the past, but there were a lot of movies that were weird that are classics. Like Groundhog Day is a really great example. Yeah, they don't make that kind of stuff anymore.

[Brett Dasovic]

There's no money in it.

[Ian Crossland]

Exactly. But it's that, that's a film that, like, everybody knows and. Oh yeah, I've seen it.

[Brett Dasovic]

They do Live, die, repeat, Edge of Tomorrow.

[Ian Crossland]

It's. Yeah, let's do the same concept of making an action movie. I like that movie too, but look at Mission Impossible. I love those movies, but they are not Groundhog Day. I. If someone said, you want to watch a movie and I had a choice between Mission Impossible, Groundhog Day, I'm watching Groundhog Day. I will watch that movie five times in a row.

[Wayne Dupree]

And hopefully they don't read Redo it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I know. Thinking about doing.

[Brett Dasovic]

You will know it's over when they end up redoing Back to the Future, aren't they? I don't know that I, the I, I believe the director said that that's off the table because it's not gonna happen. But for the most part, the. What it is is that streaming has killed the mid budget movie. Also, we don't have Tony Scott anymore, which also sucks.

[Ian Crossland]

But you know why they can't do Back to the Future? Sorry to interrupt. No, because if you went 30 years ago, it would be 1994 and it would be too similar. Similar. So like from 85 to 55 was kind of a big shift in culture.

[Tim Pool]

And, and technology too, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Right now it's like, certainly if it's in 94th, they could be like, wow, look, people are wearing flannels and they have holes in their kneecap and their. In their jeans. But it would still be.

[Tim Pool]

There's still people wearing flannels.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

That's what I mean. Like nothing changed right now.

[Brett Dasovic]

All of the movies that would have that type of creativity, which used to go to the theaters, which never made their money back in the theaters, they would make their money on home and DVDs and pay VOD, like pay per view was back in the day. All of that now goes straight to streaming. And let's face it, when you go to a streaming service, you scroll past 10,000 things that you don't actually look at.

[Ian Crossland]

They all suck.

[Brett Dasovic]

And there's a movie. There's a movie. However, if you are looking for some hilarious nostalgia, I've not seen it yet, but I believe that there's an A24 movie that came out yesterday or today called Y2K, where it's the night of Y2K and it actually goes wrong and all of the appliances come to life and kill you.

[Ian Crossland]

You okay? I got a question for you.

[Brett Dasovic]

Apparently bad.

[Ian Crossland]

What's this trend in all of these indie films where they don't know what an ND filter is? Have you noticed this?

[Brett Dasovic]

The. As in like the lighting wise?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the lighting's all blown out all the time.

[Brett Dasovic]

Cgi? Oh, oh, no, no, no. See the. It depends on what we're talking about. The. If it's indie films, that's just stylized.

[Ian Crossland]

I hate it.

[Brett Dasovic]

Low budget, right? So they're giving them minimal budget. But also when we come to Marvel, if you ever wonder why everything looks like it was filmed at Permanent Dusk now. Have you ever noticed that?

[Ian Crossland]

Cgi.

[Brett Dasovic]

So yeah, it's it's cuz it. It hides bad cgi. But everything that is shot now that cgi. Have you ever been outside and you're going, you're driving home, it's too early to turn your lights on. But it's also kind of dark.

[Tim Pool]

Everything's trying to be.

[Brett Dasovic]

Everything is filmed like right when it's just too light to put your lights on, but too dark to see without them.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, people pointed out, remember District 9, like how come the CGI and those aliens look so good? And it was because their exoskeletons were meant to look hard and plasticky.

[Brett Dasovic]

Also what year did it come out?

[Ian Crossland]

It's like 2000 something, wasn't it? So there's a nine.

[Brett Dasovic]

Back then they would actually go film on physical locations, right? They would actually like. So there was a movie that came out last year. It was called the Creator. It was made by Gareth Edwards for like $80 million. He did it with like an entry level pro camera. And it looks better than like 80% of the movies that comes out right now come out right now. And better than every Marvel movie that's come out in the last five years. Because he goes to physical locations. In all of the space tech, everything is filmed in an actual physical place. So there's. The matting is easier to do in post.

[Ian Crossland]

Can I just ask, how come we haven't gotten a sequel to District 9 there?

[Brett Dasovic]

They probably just trends.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, that movie was good.

[Wayne Dupree]

And was it really good or was it just good?

[Brett Dasovic]

I think they're making a third Pacific Rim now too.

[Ian Crossland]

Have you seen it?

[Wayne Dupree]

I. Pacific Rim. I would Watch over District 9. I don't think I would watch District.

[Ian Crossland]

Alien ship comes to Earth. It's hovering over. What is it like Johannesburg or something?

[Wayne Dupree]

It's all like nasty garbage.

[Ian Crossland]

And they're. And so like these are civilian aliens with no expertise who have no idea to survive. So they're kept in a refugee camp, basically.

[Wayne Dupree]

Right?

[Ian Crossland]

And then Sharla Copley's character finds a device, gets spread with it, starts turning him into one of the aliens, and then they end up leaving at the end because there were. There was a specialist alien who was trying to get the ship back in order to rescue his people and leave the planet. We need a resolution to that story, man.

[Brett Dasovic]

I like that superheroes have eaten up those budgets for.

[Ian Crossland]

That's true.

[Brett Dasovic]

What it is is also it's ip, meaning that stuff that has name recognition is going to get made first.

[Ian Crossland]

Now, man, it's if they make another Transformers movie, I swear to God I.

[Brett Dasovic]

Will watch it and I will love every second of it especially.

[Ian Crossland]

Look, look, I gotta honest.

[Wayne Dupree]

Transformers 1 was good.

[Brett Dasovic]

I will watch anything. Michael.

[Wayne Dupree]

I sat there and I watched it with my daughter a couple weeks ago. She came home from college. She like, just watch it with me. I didn't think it was going to be good. Transformers 1 is good.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's good.

[Ian Crossland]

Look, I will watch Mission Impossible movies even if Tom Cruise is in a wheelchair the whole time. Those movies are fun, but they're not great masterpieces. They're. It's. It's chocolate cake. I know what I'm getting with it. I'll have a slice. It's fine. I don't eat chocolate cake, by the way. But okay, it's. I don't know. It's. It's a nice serving of ahi tuna tartare. Okay, I know what I'm gonna get. It tastes great. It's. It's, it's. It's awesome. But it's not that magical moment. It's just another meal that I had. Actually, a better example is if it's like a lettuce wrapped cheeseburger.

[Wayne Dupree]

He's got to be running in all of them.

[Brett Dasovic]

I still think that Michael, he will do that, right? Like up into his. Up into his 80s.

[Ian Crossland]

I hope he does. That'd be amazing. I'm not even joking.

[Brett Dasovic]

But Michael Bay is like, there's a reason why it works, right? It's because he's got the swelling music, tons of military porn all over set, right? Slow motion, 360 camera shots, and it's meant to be seen on the big screen. I will watch all of those at least. Okay, not all of them. I'll watch the first three Transformers movies anytime you put them on, even if they're bad.

[Wayne Dupree]

What's the one that he did with Ryan Reynolds? Michael Bay. It was on Netflix.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, 6 Underground.

[Wayne Dupree]

Let me tell you, that was Transformers without Transformers.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, it was.

[Wayne Dupree]

I mean, with that big magnet that.

[Brett Dasovic]

That was one of the biggest budgets ever given to a movie in the early days.

[Wayne Dupree]

And it was great. And they should have came out with another one.

[Brett Dasovic]

I don't think it got. I don't think it was very well received.

[Wayne Dupree]

I know, but I mean it. I mean, all that action, that was just.

[Brett Dasovic]

Go watch the. The Rock. That's what I was telling people the other day. Go watch the Rock with Sean Connery.

[Wayne Dupree]

That's. Oh, man, that's good. Too long. That's good too.

[Brett Dasovic]

That was. I, I listed the. I listed just the other day just because I thought it was funny. It's like, I listed the cast to it, and all of them are successful. It's like, this long. The amount of people in that movie.

[Ian Crossland]

Huge.

[Wayne Dupree]

Did you hear about how the Rock was attached to Sean Connory's James Bond?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, there's the theory that it's like. That it's another James Bond movie.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's connected. How. How. Yeah, how he disappeared for so long and. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

I love, like, Ed Harris, Sean Connery, all of those people. It's just. It's amazing.

[Ian Crossland]

Somebody said that District 10 is. Is coming. Okay, but the last story I see is from March of 2020 of this year.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's like, maybe.

[Brett Dasovic]

What year did the original come out?

[Ian Crossland]

2009.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, there's the possibility that they could end up making another one. I don't think that that's an unreal. I mean, it's a long period of time, but it's not out of the question.

[Tim Pool]

I don't. I mean, it's been a long time, and I feel like it was still kind of a niche movie. Right. It wasn't like, it wasn't some big blockbuster. I would like to see it. But I also heard that it got. It got its start because it was initially him attempting Halo stuff.

[Brett Dasovic]

Maybe.

[Tim Pool]

Is that the case?

[Ian Crossland]

Someone. Someone super chatted that that was originally supposed to be the Halo movie they're.

[Brett Dasovic]

Making 28 years later.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm down for that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, like, that's. I'm just saying, like, if we're talking, like, time periods between movies, like, 28 years later just got.

[Ian Crossland]

I remember the first time I watched 20 Days later, and my friend, like, my friend was telling me to watch it, and they're like, yeah, but the eight. But the zombies can run. I was like, what? Zombies don't run. They're like, yeah, but in this they do.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's way scarier.

[Ian Crossland]

What was scary about, like, I remember watching the original Night of Living Dead, and I'm like, what is scary about this? You just walk past them?

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, no, it's the same. It's the same concept of, like, you watch any horror movie, right? And Michael. Like, Michael Myers is just walking. And, like, have you ever seen this? The parody skits were like, they're running and he's just walking and he's still, like, right behind you. You have no idea how that works.

[Ian Crossland]

There's a funny tweet where someone was like, what do mummies do? You know, like. Like, a werewolf will kill you or bite you. Make aware of a vampire will drain your blood. Like, what do mummies do if they get you?

[Wayne Dupree]

That's true, that's true.

[Brett Dasovic]

I have no idea.

[Ian Crossland]

The mummy's trying to get you and then what?

[Wayne Dupree]

I mean, all I remember, all I remember back when I was a little kid watching the Mummy is like, don't let him catch you. But you're right, it's like, why?

[Ian Crossland]

What do mummies do?

[Brett Dasovic]

I have no idea.

[Ian Crossland]

They just. Well, I mean, like it with Brendan Fraser. He grabs you and then goes and sucks your flesh into his body. That's scary now.

[Wayne Dupree]

That's scary.

[Ian Crossland]

If that's what mummies did, I would run from them right now. I'm just genuinely.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know why. I don't know why I'm supposed to be scared of you other than you're dusty and old.

[Ian Crossland]

That's funny. It's like skeletons aren't scary. They, they, they weigh very little and would fall apart with ve with relative ease.

[Wayne Dupree]

And they shake, rattle and row a little bit.

[Tim Pool]

But that, yeah, yeah, the skeletons from Jason and the Argonauts were scary, but that was because they had swords.

[Ian Crossland]

We were talking about doing short films that just fix movies. And I was like, one that everybody always talks about doing that we should do is like, it's Indiana Jones. But when he gets, he gets this like, you know, the thing that kicks off his adventure in the Ark of the Covenant, he just says, I'll pass. And then it just jumps to the end scene as it exactly would have happened no matter what, with the Nazis finding the Ark and then all dying and then not. That's it. Like, whether he does it or it's a three minute long, movie's over, it's.

[Brett Dasovic]

Ever seen that scene in Scary Movie when he's running up the hill or up the stairs after and she keeps throwing stuff down at him and finally hits him with a pe.

[Ian Crossland]

Right, right. Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

They're making another scary movie too.

[Ian Crossland]

He shouldn't.

[Wayne Dupree]

Oh, man.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, Scary Movie was good. And then they kept making all of those movies, like epic movie and superhero movie, and it's like, just stop. This is, It's. But it made money and the budgets were dirt and they were like, look, people, people, people. And, and people laugh at things they've seen before. Whether it's a joke or not. You need only be like, spider Man's upside down. And everyone laughs.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, comedies used to be the other way that you could make money on a small budget, but now it's pretty much just horror is the only Genre that, you know, costs very little with strong return on investment.

[Ian Crossland]

If I, if I see one more movie where the description of the movie is a mother and her child must combat a mysterious force, I'm going to throw the remote at the TV at.

[Brett Dasovic]

The house they've moved into.

[Ian Crossland]

Exactly. That's exactly. I'm on Amazon and I'm like, shutter, let's go. And it's like a mother and her child move to a new home.

[Brett Dasovic]

One of these people live in the city. Please.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, they're all that. And then I saw the, you see that Mel Gibson movie that came out? I think it was this year, where he's Old Man Carothers. You haven't seen this one. Well, I'll watch anything. Mel Gibson, because the Patriot is the greatest movie of all time. But so. And Lethal Weapon, also great. And so I watched it and the description was literally like, a kid must fight a mysterious force. And I'm like, they always do. Yeah. And it was, it was like, I give the movie a C minus, but Mel Gibson's in it. So, you know, that's an A.

[Wayne Dupree]

What, what's one movie that you would watch that you could watch all weekend?

[Ian Crossland]

The Patriot. The Patriot that, Have you seen it?

[Wayne Dupree]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I will put that movie on repeat and just stare at it. I mean, I like, like, my eye will not blink.

[Wayne Dupree]

I like the villain in there, you know, you, how's the boy? Did he die? You know that, I mean, I, I.

[Ian Crossland]

Who played the, the villain. It was. What's his face?

[Brett Dasovic]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I have Severus Snape.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, no, no, he's not Alan Rickman.

[Ian Crossland]

No, he's not Snape.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry.

[Ian Crossland]

He, he's a, he's Malfoy, He's Lucius Malfoy.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, I don't know that actor's name.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, come on, it's super. How could I not? I'm, I can't believe I'm forgetting this guy's name.

[Wayne Dupree]

He played N too you.

[Tim Pool]

It was Jason Isaacs.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jason Isaacs. Oh, man, the oa, that was a terrible show.

[Wayne Dupree]

But mine, mine, mine, that I, I go to sleep with this almost every night. Is Crimson Tide with Denzel Washington and Jean Hackman.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yep.

[Wayne Dupree]

I cannot get over how great those two actors shared the screen like that. But with the tension going back and forth, the military style. I mean, you're talking about a nuclear submarine, underwater mutiny. I mean, the change of command going back and forth. A couple of times. Everybody's questioning this. It's like, wow, this Is crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

What movie do you guys think I've seen more than any other movie? What's your guest be?

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, I have no idea. I wish I had time to think about this.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think you're gonna be able to guess, but I'm just curious, like what movie do you think I have watched more than any other movie?

[Tim Pool]

I have no idea.

[Ian Crossland]

The Notebook, The Dark Knight.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, great movie.

[Ian Crossland]

So not only is it a great movie, but when I lived in la, I shared a studio apartment. How long ago was this? 13 years ago. I shared a studio apartment with my friend. And so there was a closet that was 6ft long and 3ft wide. And it's a studio, so it's like, hey, I'm sleeping in there. There. And so it had, it was like, was like. No, it was like four feet wide. So I had my laptop, I had one dvd, the Dark Night. And I like watching TV as I fall asleep. Yeah, so I, I, I think I've seen the Dark Knight over a hundred times. Cuz every night I'd get home, I'd put the Dark Night on and play it and then lay down and I would watch the Dark Night every single night.

[Wayne Dupree]

That's what I do with Crimson Tide. I mean, there are times when I hear the music while I'm dreaming and, and, and you know, I mean, I'm, I'm hearing certain, certain military types that, and I'm, and there I, there I am in the military once again. I'm like, yeah, you know, I used.

[Ian Crossland]

I used to put on Adult Swim and when I would fall asleep and then I would always have dreams where I was hanging out with the Scooby gang and we'd be solving mysteries. It'd be the weird, the weirdest dreams. But it's because Scooby Doo's on.

[Brett Dasovic]

I would try to put that back on now and recapture that.

[Tim Pool]

I would do that too. But it would always be like C Lab would be on. Yeah, 2021.

[Ian Crossland]

No, because like I'm watching C Lab and the Family Guy reruns and like.

[Tim Pool]

Alpha Teen Hunger Force, whatever, I.

[Ian Crossland]

Aqua Teen. But then what was the other one? Brack. Brack Show. But anyway, when you, when you fall asleep, eventually it turns back into regular Cartoon Network. And so by the time I'm starting to wake up, I'm hearing Scooby Doo. And so in my mind I'm like running with Scoob and the gang. You know, I'm having this dream where we're like solving a mystery and everything. And then I Wake and Scooby Doo's on. And it was.

[Tim Pool]

It's wild running with Scoob in the game.

[Ian Crossland]

That's right. Man, those were. Those are the best dreams I've ever experienced.

[Brett Dasovic]

I've seen Batman begin. I've seen Batman Begins more than the Dark Knight. I prefer Batman Begins.

[Ian Crossland]

I've only seen it like two times. I've seen Dark Knight, like, over 100 times. Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

As a. As far as, like, being a comic book, like, the. The way the Narrows were designed in Batman Begins feels much more akin to an actual comic book film, whereas the Dark Knight is much more of a crime thriller. But both of them are very, very good. And I don't think that the Dark Knight rises as bad as people say. Just not as good as the other two people say.

[Tim Pool]

That was bad.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that was. That was filmed during Occupy. So we were down there and they, like, I forgot it wasn't. I don't know if it was directly during Occupy, but I remember it was around that time and the activists were asking the people making it, like, what's going on? What's it about? And they were all like, you guys are gonna love this movie.

[Brett Dasovic]

Which is funny.

[Ian Crossland]

Like. But. No, but it's messed up because Bane is manipulating the. The populist sentiment to destroy and try and blow up the city. I'm like, why would they.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, they wouldn't. That's. There's really.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they might.

[Brett Dasovic]

There's really great documentaries or like, video essays that have been done about the political philosophy of Christopher Nolan as it relates to the Dark Knight Rises. And he says that his favorite scene that he's ever shot is the airplane scene at the very beginning when he. When Bane pulls them from one plane to the other.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I mean, that was a cool scene.

[Wayne Dupree]

That was a cool scene.

[Ian Crossland]

I did. I did really like the Nolan Batman films for the. For things like that. Yeah, that was cool. And in. In the Dark Knight, when he sky. Does the sky hook. Yeah, that's awesome. And. And come on. When the Joker makes the pencil disappear.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So gone.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, that's apparently the. The line. The line where he says, you think you can just steal from us and walk away. And he says. Yeah, that was. That was ad libbed.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, really?

[Brett Dasovic]

It wasn't supposed to be there. If you look in the script, it's not. Not in there. He just said it because he felt like it was in character.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, dude. So good. Boy.

[Wayne Dupree]

This one is like, he was great. Let's not.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

Lose our head, you know?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let's. What does he say? Blow or something like that?

[Brett Dasovic]

Out of proportion.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And he's got his thumb on the grenades. Man. That was. That was very well done. And the crazy thing is anybody who is smart knows that he's the good guy. Joker is the good guy in that film.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, Joker. But it doesn't mean that. That, that Batman was the bad guy.

[Ian Crossland]

No, Batman was bad guy. Haven't you guys seen the essays on this one? The video essays where people have broken this down? You've got a city that is so vile with crime that the League of Assassins are trying to just murder everybody and destroy it. And so the police can't be trusted. The system is bringing no justice. It's only when a violent, wealthy vigilante goes around beating the crap out of people with his bare hands does anything start to change, but only results in escalation. The Joker gets rid of the mob and the vigilante by the end of the Dark Knight, he's gotten rid of the corrupt, psychopathic DA that everyone thought was good but was actually a murderous lunatic. He's gotten rid of the dangerous vigilante, and he's gotten rid of all of the mafia, all the gang.

[Brett Dasovic]

You can make the argument that he created the dangerous lunatic, given the.

[Ian Crossland]

But the. I think the. Well, the point in the, in these like, essay exposes was like, Harvey Dent appears to be a boy scout, but when put under pressure quickly turns to villainy and murder. And the point was, should he sit in power for too long, he would have been exposed to that degree of pressure that the Joker put him under and he would have become a corrupt DA So the Joker's whole plan was basically clean sweep and he did what the League of Assassins could not do. And then Dark Knight Rises, Batman's retired, and the mob is gone.

[Brett Dasovic]

Nobody ever explained those knee implants, did he? The, the knee braces that just magically fix his knees.

[Ian Crossland]

I want those just like Bonnie just.

[Brett Dasovic]

I was like, what is squeezing your knees really tight with like metal?

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, just destroy that. God damn, man. Yeah, I wish I had that for my, my military needs.

[Ian Crossland]

I thought it was funny how they made Catwoman a cat by having her goggles go up and it looked like ears. Yeah, I'm like, haha, very funny. I get it. All right, everybody want to grab those super chats? So I hope you guys are super chatting about movies because that's apparently all we're talking about about smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, become a [e-mail]. it's Friday. We're chilling. You know, life is good. It's December. Everybody's just counting down the days until we can get to Christmas.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Best time of the year. The New Year's, man. Let's go. All right. Poly Puri says, am I first? You are. You win. You can now call yourself doctor.

[Tim Pool]

That's the.

[Ian Crossland]

That's the award. The deplorable Mrs. Drake says Anna Kasparian had an hour long sit down with Glenn Beck that will be out tomorrow on YouTube. Should be interesting. Happy Friday night to all from Indiana. Indiana is very based. We like Indiana. Let's go, Kyle. And says, would you allow someone to open Tim Cast coffee shop in Texas? Indeed. More updates to come. Can't say much for now, but we. We are. Our mission and our plan is we'd love very much to have 10,000 Casper locations all over the planet. And I think we're. I think we're doing well.

[Brett Dasovic]

We need a Casper energy drink. That's what I was telling Phil earlier. I was like, I can't drink coffee.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well, so, I mean, we've been discussing that. It's not so easy. Look, this is one of the challenges that we have here. If I was solely focused as a CEO on one thing, we'd have the biggest coffee shop chain. We'd have the biggest energy drink company. We work around protein bars. We just can't get these things off the ground because I don't have time to manage all of these projects and do these shows. But we do have some plans, and I think we can figure something out. So we'll get there. Let's go. Grofty says Phil may not know me, but I know the buck buck, buck chickens know that I. Did you guys hear that shocking report about Pete Heth that he only has 21 chickens?

[Tim Pool]

Good grief.

[Ian Crossland]

His mom was on Fox News and she said that, you know, they have someone taking care of 21 chickens. And I was. I was a guest.

[Brett Dasovic]

There's rookie numbers.

[Ian Crossland]

I know.

[Brett Dasovic]

Pump those numbers.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm supposed to trust him to be secretary of defense and he only has 21.

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't even have a dance party.

[Ian Crossland]

I bet he hasn't even seen Chicken City.

[Tim Pool]

Unreal.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I'm kidding. 21 is actually a pretty base number.

[Wayne Dupree]

My co host. My co host, Jason Robinson, talked about Chicken City a lot. He was like, oh, my God. I mean, and he just loves. He just loves all of y'all.

[Ian Crossland]

Chickens are awesome, Phil.

[Wayne Dupree]

But yeah, he was like, man, y'all, you need to see it. And. And. And, you know, they got this compound and they got Chicken City.

[Brett Dasovic]

The chickens do live better than I do.

[Ian Crossland]

If you give. If you. If you give a $5 super chat to chicken city, it will dispense mealworms, and they'll all come running. And then every time a hundred dollars comes in it, a party starts, and then it sprays tons of mealworms and plays dance party music.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's like, with us, but without the mealworms.

[Ian Crossland]

That's right. Well, that's actually where we got the idea for pop culture crisis. So we had chickens, and I was like, can we set something up with a live stream to where people can give money so that it feeds them? And then we were like, we can't do the actual food because they need to eat food all day, but we can do treats like mealworms. And so then Chris, my brother, built the system out, and then we were like, why don't we actually do that on a show? And so with pop culture crisis, every time you give money, it shoots money in there. It shoots money guns.

[Brett Dasovic]

The real. There should be a separate live stream where they can watch it getting clean. The money getting cleaned up at the end.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, because you have to clean it up. Yeah. Don't you have to, like, reload it periodically, too?

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, yeah. Like, half my job is, like, pushing button. Pushing button. Check stream, check stream. I'm, like, doing this. I'm filling money. I'm doing all this stuff all at one time and trying to actually keep my focus on the conversation.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, this is really cool. There are automatic. I don't even know how Chris built this, but there's automatic money guns at the pop culture crisis set. And when you super chat a comment, it shoots $20 fake. 20 bills, right?

[Brett Dasovic]

No, they're not real.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, okay.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. Maybe that. That would be like, five grand in 20.

[Brett Dasovic]

There have been times where, like, people.

[Ian Crossland]

Hundreds.

[Brett Dasovic]

They're both. There's twenties and hundreds. So when we have guests from outside the company, we have them sign $100 bills. But there have been times where, like, people would come up, because back in the old studio, we were up in the top of the. Of the house, and there would, like, be H vac people that would come up there and they'd see just stacks of money, and I'd be like, it's not real. We're not nuts. Like, we're either nuts or we're the most, like, so.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, so someone had a stack of prop money where, like, the first five bills on both sides are fake bills and the middle's all just notepad paper. Like you buy them in stacks and it looks like real money. It says a million dollars. Apparently one of our, the cleaners found one and then wrote a note and put it on the counter. Being like we found this, we wanted to make sure you guys knew where it was. And we were like, it says like for Hollywood productions or something on it. But hey, we really respected those cleaners.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, it was very nice.

[Ian Crossland]

It'd be funny if they stole it.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, I mean we always, I always wonders like, did anybody ever just take any and try to use it?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I bet they did. Did.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And we have the Alex Jones's right jar.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

And we originally put fake money in it cuz it's a joke. But then people started putting real money in it.

[Brett Dasovic]

And there's also. There's a picture of blackface Trudeau in there as well.

[Ian Crossland]

There is. There is. I don't know why, but.

[Wayne Dupree]

Oh wow.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's go. What do we got here? We'll grab some super chats. I'm not your buddy. Guy says the left and the west have gone evil. It's unfortunate but true. Does that mean every leftist is evil? No, no. As well. Does it mean everyone on the right is good? No. However, this is a spiritual war.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I, I think that the left is pretty evil generally. They kind of have inverted the things that they look at as good are what generally are considered evil. They don't believe that. They don't believe that there is. That children can be innocent. They don't believe that, that people that have committed crimes need to be punished or they don't believe that punishing crimes prevents more crimes. I mean they, you can go down the whole gamut. Like in the, in the, during the election, during the run through the election, Kamala Harris was advertising. Hey, we'll save your pornography. Hey, you should lie to your spouse. Hey, we'll go ahead and make sure that you can kill your baby. Those were three major things that the Kamala Harris campaign was running on. I mean, if there, if evil exists, I think that those three things count as evil.

[Wayne Dupree]

The thing is, and this is growing up in a, in a. My parents were civil rights activists back in the 60s and 70s, so. But in growing up, most of the people that I knew, I mean, I was a Democrat, you know, I don't, and I didn't consider myself evil. I was just a Democrat. And for the church people that I went to church with, they were Democrats. That the people that used to watch us as kids, babysitters, they were Democrats. We didn't see them as evil.

[Tim Pool]

I don't consider Democrats leftists.

[Wayne Dupree]

Okay, okay, okay, I got you.

[Tim Pool]

Democrats are not, not leftists split. Yeah. Leftists are different than Democrats. Progressives and leftists are not the same thing as Democrats. That you can be, you can be a liberal liberal and be a Democrat. You can believe in the fundamental principles that make America America and be a Democrat. You can believe that the government should be doing things to help people that are in, in bad, bad situations and stuff and be, and not be a leftist. The leftists take advantage of the Democrats and the people that are, that are concerned with the problems of oppressed people and people that are, that are suffering, working class people, they take advantage of that to access power.

[Wayne Dupree]

Do you have that same split on the right?

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that the right is the same as the left. No. I think that for a long time the United States was considered a center right country and everyone's, everyone outside of the United States would say everyone in the United States is on the right or almost everyone in the United States is on the right. And that's because things like property, you, if you think it's okay to own property, that is a right leaning ideal. And if you think that owning property is a bad thing, that is a leftist idea. And so most of American, most Americans think it's okay to own your home and it's okay to own property. And if you have a business and this is different than having, you know, multinational corporations and stuff, but if you own a business, you are entitled to dispose of the profits from your business however you see fit. These are generally normal things that people on the right and people that are considered Republicans and Democrats have basically for the entire time that the United States has been a country up until only very recently, the vast, vast majority, 95% of America believe that now there is a stronger. There's a larger portion of leftists who think that owning property is immoral. Right. Think that it's okay to kill CEOs of big companies because they are, because they are hurting people just by being CEOs of big companies think that it's okay to expropriate the property of people that have a lot of property because they think it's immoral to have a lot of property. So the leftists in my estimation are different than people that would be considered Democrats or on the right.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah, I, for me in, in, because I've been on both sides I know both sides. I mean, I. I see evil on both sides for me, and where it comes to. Even where. Like, when I left the Democrat party in 2007, you know, I used to wonder why the. Why Republicans wouldn't talk to communities, urban communities. Why? What? Because they won't listen to us. Well, that's. I mean, when I. When I came over, I remember the people in Chicago is like, y'all need to come talk to us. We're ready for a change. Y'all need to come talk to us. GOP didn't want to. You know, the GOP didn't want to make that move. But then there are other things that I have seen along the years. I'm like, wow, this thing is. And it's not the voters. It's the stuff in. That's happening in D.C. you know, when I went and served in the military, I'm like, I ain't going for the people in D.C. i'm doing it for the American people. You know, I. For me, I wake up in the morning, I go to bed, and I don't like nobody in D.C. i don't like nobody.

[Tim Pool]

Fair enough.

[Wayne Dupree]

They all kiss my ass. I don't like none of them.

[Ian Crossland]

And have you noticed that they all wear north face, too? You notice that? I don't like D.C. at all.

[Wayne Dupree]

But it's. It's. It's like. It's like you want. You want to at least reach out and talk to people. And I. I always said. I was at the. I was at the RNC one time, and I was talking to Rince Priebus when he was in charge, and I was like, listen, have you ever thought about having a family day?

[Brett Dasovic]

You know, like at the convention?

[Wayne Dupree]

No, just in communities.

[Brett Dasovic]

Okay.

[Wayne Dupree]

Have you ever thought about having a family day? Don't go in there just talking politics.

[Ian Crossland]

Just go in there.

[Wayne Dupree]

Family.

[Ian Crossland]

This is what we're doing.

[Wayne Dupree]

You know.

[Ian Crossland]

You know about our. Our Saturday morning cartoons idea? We want to do these coffee shops, the Casper Coffee Shops, Saturday mornings at like 6 or 7am we do catered breakfast. Families come, and then the kids hang out. There's cartoons playing.

[Wayne Dupree]

Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's like cartoons that we. We choose and are vetted to be. Not crazy.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So I made it easy. I was like, bent key. We're gonna be like. And then the idea is, in the morning, neighbors get to know each other.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

You get to build community with families, and the kids get to make friends, and it builds that communal structure.

[Wayne Dupree]

That's it.

[Ian Crossland]

I hope we'll get There one day. You know, it's just a lot of work. It's heavy lifting.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

But I'm confident we got big updates coming. We got big news.

[Wayne Dupree]

Good.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's grab some more super chats. We gotta live free or die says Anarcho tyranny aka, AKA partial law. Hey, Phil, did you see that Jason won guitarist of the year in Nick Nocturnal's medal awards show today?

[Tim Pool]

Surprise. Jason's great.

[Ian Crossland]

There you go. Law of Self Defense says. Can't believe Tim didn't call Law of Self defense to take for my take on this. Love you, Tim. We should have. But we don't do calls. We should just have you come down. Maybe. Maybe we should figure something out. Let me look. Who's on the. Who's on the roster for next week? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe we should figure something out so we can have you come in, opine on what's currently going on. This would be. This would be interesting. We'll talk to. We'll talk to booking about it. Let's go, Jacob. Holly says Reddit has gone absolutely nuts. Star Trek subreddits are even celebrating the CEO's ending. I called it out and reported it to the site admin. I was immediately banned and the response I got was one word. Good. Absolutely sick. Dude. This is crazy stuff. And what I'm saying is I'm hoping that this shift that we've seen with Trump and everything is strong enough to suppress these effing psychopaths, because my fear is it is pervasive how insane they were. And I'm hoping that we just put a stop in it and we now have to start reversing it. My view is I'm optimistic we're heading in the right direction, but we are far from done. Yeah, we need. We. We need a culture that says we're not going to tolerate this. They keep saying we better be worried about Cancel Culture on the right. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Cancel culture on the left was. Your dad swore in the 80s. So we're firing you from your job. That literally happened. A guy, a race, a racer, lost a sponsor because his dad had a racial slur in the 80s. That's insane. Yeah. Cancel culture is. We know the joke you said in 2010 was acceptable then, but you're fired now. Cancel culture is not far leftist, advocating for and calling for death and engaging in terrorism and us being like, you shouldn't have a job at this company. So I'm okay if these people are advocating for death and murder and terrorism. For us to be like, you are going to be cancelled for that, I think that's fine.

[Wayne Dupree]

I always look at it as Pandora's box too. I mean, the lid has to be closed for, for all the stuff that you were just talking about. We got to close that lid, we got to close the door, and then we got to deal with what we have. You know, we hear so many times, we need to go back. Never going to go back. Never going to go back because the, the apple has been bitten. We have seen where we are right now. We have to adapt. Military wise, we have to adapt now. We have to straighten out this. But it's never going to go back because of all the stuff that has come out. That's what I think.

[Ian Crossland]

All right. Grafty says Phil. Phil needs some buck, buck, buck in his life. Brought to you by grafty.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Wayne Dupree]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, Phil, how many chickens do you have?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't have any more chickens. I had chickens until one of my tenants burnt the chicken coop down.

[Wayne Dupree]

Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Dang.

[Ian Crossland]

Wow. And so your chickens were left humless.

[Tim Pool]

Or they probably burnt alive.

[Ian Crossland]

And did you eat them?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Wayne Dupree]

You know what? There was a next. There was a Netflix show about a group of chicken owners that they were making a whole lot of money with their chicken farms or whatnot. But then there was somebody in that community while they were asleep or whatnot, they were going around and turning up the temperature in the, in the.

[Ian Crossland]

Kill the chickens.

[Wayne Dupree]

To kill the chickens.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, that should, that should. That's. That's a capital.

[Tim Pool]

Now this was. This was because the guy didn't clean the place properly. And there was a short in the, in the cable to keep the water heater. You know, it was like February or something like that.

[Ian Crossland]

Chickens. Chickens are chill, man. They. They walk around, they poop where they stand and they make funny noises. And there's this great meme, it's a 4chan post where a guy says he was like, basically bored and depressed. And then one day his neighbors bought chickens. They're not supposed to own chickens, but he didn't mind so much. And then he said, comes home from work and he sees him walking around making funny sounds and he chuckles. Now he wakes up in the morning and he watches and he smiles and all of a sudden he's feeling better. And I'm like, I'm telling you, it. I firmly believe that if someone is looking at chickens but still claims to be depressed, they are lying for attention because I don't know how you look at those things and you don't laugh at them. They're so dumb and silly.

[Tim Pool]

They are dumb.

[Ian Crossland]

I know, but there's a reason why humans. Like, I know not only. Not only are their. Are their bodies the most delicious meat, but they produce eggs from their butts, and then you cook them. Like, chickens are great, you know, dumb. They're very dumb. But, you know, we. We selected for them trivia for you guys. Chickens were not domesticated for eggs.

[Wayne Dupree]

What?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Humans did not domesticate chickens for their eggs. They were domesticated for cockfighting. Yeah, yeah. The Asian guinea fowl, I think it was called. And so they saw that. They saw the. The roosters basically would fight when you put them together, and they were like, hey, this is funny. And so. But then what happens is when people started trading them around, laughing at the roosters, fighting each other and having cockfights. When, when. When Europe realized, hey, these birds lay an egg every single day. Because it used to be like, hey, I found some eggs. Good fortune. We can eat them. With chickens, you get a bunch of them. You have eggs every day. They were like, this is incredible. And then chickens became a very important animal because they give you food every day. Yeah. Yeah. And chickens are based. Let's go. All right, Sooner Mouse says. Any chance you guys are getting a blockchain crypto expert on soon? Trump picked a pro crypto person to head the sec, so the industry may take off soon. Charles Hoskinson is who I'd recommend. Love the show, everyone. One, we have Max and Stacy on periodically, and they were supposed to come on a couple months ago, but something ended up happening and they're very busy down in El Salvador. But we're. We're good friends and we're big fans, so it be. It would be great to have them on sometime. I'm going to say this. Apparently the rumor is right now that Donald Trump just bought like, what, like $5 million worth of Ethereum and already owns apparently millions of dollars of Ethereum more. Now, I don't know if that's true, and I ain't going to give anybody advice on no finance or anything like that, but I would. I would just estimate, I would assume if Donald Trump is buying Ethereum and he's going to be president and he appointed a crypto czar, I feel like they're going to want Ethereum to increase in value in some capacity, or Trump expects it to, and that's why he's buying it.

[Wayne Dupree]

I mean, somebody told him something.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep. Guy said Trump when you get in, we're going to, we're going to. We're going to the moon.

[Tim Pool]

Just the fact that he's a pro crypto, you know, has, is going to have a pro crypto administration is going to do great things for the, for the whole fintech.

[Wayne Dupree]

And he wasn't on board at first, buddy.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think so.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think he was ever, but. Oh, actually, yeah, I think early in the days he was saying the dollar's better, we don't want. But now he's, he's turned around and, you know, he, it's good if he launches a bitcoin reserve for the United States, which is very smart and should be done. Bitcoin goes up to what, half a million? Some ridiculous number. Because the United States bitcoin reserve is not going to be a couple hundred million dollars. It's going to be probably billions.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. What's the gold reserve for the United States?

[Tim Pool]

Probably nothing low, right? Nothing anymore.

[Wayne Dupree]

They're guarding nothing.

[Ian Crossland]

8,134 metric tons.

[Brett Dasovic]

Wow.

[Ian Crossland]

Yo, that is nuts. Really? Let's convert that.

[Tim Pool]

8,000 tons is ounces in a ton at $2,700 today, I believe.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's see. So it's $523 billion in gold reserves.

[Wayne Dupree]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

That's. I mean, right.

[Ian Crossland]

So could you imagine if he said we're going to, we're going to. We're going to. We're going to put $250 billion, half of our gold reserves into bitcoin. I mean, that's a massive movement. The current price cap, market cap of bitcoin is like 2 trillion.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's not like the government can't just print up the money to buy it too.

[Ian Crossland]

They'll do something like that. But if he wants to launch a reserve and he goes in that direction, he could end up pumping Bitcoin by 20% instantly. So not 500,000, but it could jump to 120 as soon as he does it. That's wild.

[Wayne Dupree]

Did you hear that Putin was behind bitcoin? Bitcoin?

[Ian Crossland]

He probably is. Yeah. It's. It's amazing. It's really funny too, because remember that story where Max, Max Kaiser offered Alex Jones 10,000 Bitcoin and Alex was like, I don't know what you're talking about, Max. It's true. It's true story.

[Wayne Dupree]

Wow.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, he was trying to give him 10,000 bitcoins.

[Wayne Dupree]

Just give it to him.

[Ian Crossland]

But back then it wasn't worth that much. So Alex was like, max, I don't know what you're talking about. Sure, I appreciate it. Whatever. And then just never followed him up on it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they'd have taken it from him anyways.

[Ian Crossland]

No, but, but, but in all seriousness, it's. You always got to mention, anybody who had a thousand Bitcoin ten years ago would have sold it seven years ago.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Probably the moment it jumped to $10,000, they'd been like, I'm selling this.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Wayne Dupree]

When it took that huge dip down to 30 from 60. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Now it's at 100.

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah. It's over.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it went to 20 and then it got down to $3,000.

[Ian Crossland]

Yep. Yeah. It's the, it's the wave.

[Tim Pool]

So now I would imagine, like it. I don't know where it's going to top out.

[Ian Crossland]

It's going to stabilize.

[Tim Pool]

So you think this. But not going to happen on this wave.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't. I think we're going to start seeing stable growth and it's going to turn into something akin to the stocks where you see a 5% growth each year or something like this. Considering that the havings that happen, the happenings where, you know, it becomes harder and harder to produce bitcoin, that's going to usually cause a spike. Like, I, I don't know. I'm not an economist, you know, I don't know. But I do kind of feel like that we're moving past the point of collapsibility in bitcoin. I, I think once. Now that's over 100,000 with Trump talking about it, the US government getting involved, all these other governments getting involved. We're getting to the point where people are not going to want to offload it so dramatically.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And it's going to be treated much more as a ubiquitous ass. Asset and, and, and, you know, like hard commodity of some sort.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

In which case the growth will be stable. And the. I guess this is the bad news for most people is you may have missed the train. I don't see a reality where you get these massive gains if you. It's kind of crazy. Look, I bought Bitcoin 10 years ago or whatever. It was around a thousand or so. I bought a bunch of it. I don't know if we're going to see gains like that. Possible. I don't know. It's tough.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's not going to be like yours.

[Ian Crossland]

No. But maybe I could be wrong because maybe I think in 10 years it could be a million dollars. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If it goes to a million That's. I mean.

[Ian Crossland]

Right. And so you don't need to spend $100,000 right now in a bitcoin, but that's still only a 10x return.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So for me, I'm looking at like a 73x return on. On, you know, 10 years ago. As it gets bigger and bigger, people can still buy smaller fractions of bitcoin. I just think we're getting to a stability period where it's going to be ubiquitous and it's going to find its. Its equilibrium.

[Brett Dasovic]

Believe you're just putting a little bit in each paycheck to it. You know, dollar cost averaging.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm going to say this, dude, if I could go back in time, I wouldn't bring the lottery numbers with me. I would just have my direct deposit be split between bitcoin and dollars. Because it's funny because a couple of years ago we were talking about, should we give people a portion of their paychecks in bitcoin? That sounds like a good idea.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Let's look into it. And then we never did. And I know everybody who works here would have wished we did because they'd be looking at a 3x return on whatever they got paid.

[Wayne Dupree]

Who's in football? Odell Beckham did his in bitcoin a couple years ago, and now, you know, everybody's talking about now he looks smart or where it is right now for.

[Brett Dasovic]

For versus what how many years ago?

[Wayne Dupree]

It's like three. Three, like three or four years.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like right after, like, it hit 15. Like when Russia invaded Ukraine and it dipped really far.

[Ian Crossland]

I remember when it was at 70 cents. So anyway, guys, smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, become a member [e-mail] if you want to support our work. Thank you all so much for hanging out. It is Friday and it's Twitter payday. By the way, everybody's posting their Twitter earnings. I love that. Everyone does that. For those that are wondering, I got about $4,000 from Twitter and I'm super excited. It's amazing that I can post my shenanigans and make money doing it. I absolutely love it. So you can follow me on X. X? Did I say Twitter? You can follow me on X at Timcast. You can follow me on Instagram at Timcast. Wayne, do you want to shout anything out?

[Wayne Dupree]

Yeah. I got $36, so I try not to spin it in one place. Y'all can follow me at the Doopy Report. Had to change from Wayne Dupree show to the dupuy Report because I thought it might change a couple things, but I'm still behind the wall of being seen. So I do a podcast. My, my. My co host, Jason again, he loves the show. He. He's there tonight watching it. But we do it Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday between 12 and 1. And we've been doing it for about 12, 13 years. You know, we, we. We've seen a lot, we've been a lot, and we've. But, you know, we always come back with. Trying to be honest with everything that we see, so. But y'all are great. Just watching you on video and then just being here live and stuff like that. I mean, just chatting up with the guys, no agenda is great. You know, y'all got a solid place here, man. I pray nothing but success for y'all in the future.

[Tim Pool]

Cheers, man.

[Brett Dasovic]

Thank you. Cheers. Yeah, guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on Twix at Brett Dasic on both of those platforms. But what you should do is you should check out Pop culture Christmas crisis. We are live Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time, noon Pacific. Come and join us. It's a lot of fun.

[Tim Pool]

I am Phil that remains on X. You can subscribe to me there. I'm fill that remains official on Instagram. I have some big news. The release date for our upcoming album has finally been made public. The album is called Antifragile. The Release date is January 31, 2025. Get your Pre orders now. The link to the pre orders is on my X page. It's the pin tweet. The band is all that remains. You can follow us on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Deezer. If you want to get a taste of what's coming on the new record, you can go check out our videos for Forever Cold Let you go no tomorrow in divine on all of those platforms. And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Ian Crossland]

All right, everybody, we are back. We're going to be back on Monday, of course. We have an awesome week coming up, so we're really excited. Hope to see you there. Thanks for hanging out.