Democrat CRIES After GOP WINS California Primary w/ Myron Gaines

Summary

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Timcast IRL – Democrat CRIES After GOP WINS California Primary w/ Myron Gaines

Date: June 4, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Myron Gaines, Ian Cross, Phil Labonte, Carter Banks

Episode Overview

This episode dives into the political shockwaves from recent GOP victories in California primaries and the LA mayoral race, centering on the emotional reaction from Democrat Nithya Raman and broader implications for progressives and Republicans. Joined by Myron Gaines, the panel debates gender roles, political violence, freedom of speech, and high-profile legal battles, while consistently mocking political correctness and progressive sensibilities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. California Election Shocks

• GOP Upsets in LA and Statewide:
  • Steve Hilton leads the governor's race; Spencer Pratt unexpectedly takes second in the LA mayoral race. These results are considered a “tremendous, tremendous victory for the Republicans.”

    “The most important thing you need to understand is that California has election month... my argument is because they’re rigging the election.” — Tim Pool [07:07]

• Progressive Reactions:
  • Nithya Raman’s emotional breakdown after placing third is ridiculed:

    “She cried. Guys, you want to hold office, do the hard work. You can’t break down crying when you lose.” — Tim Pool [06:55]

  • Hasan Piker’s angry rant is discussed, with the crew conceding “anger is a better response than tears.” [07:00]
  • The panel agrees the Republican surge is energizing for the party and “very bad news for progressives.” [07:49]

2. Gender, Emotion, and Politics

• Mocking Female Emotion in Leadership:
  • The panel debates appropriate emotional displays in politics, specifically criticizing Raman’s tears:

    “It’s off-putting for people to be constantly... shut off their emotions as well.” — Ian Cross [08:40]
    “My point is this. Holy crap. Nithya Raman crying over losing this race.” — Tim Pool [10:47]

• Sexist Jokes and the Role of Women:
  • Myron Gaines delivers intentionally hyperbolic misogynist jokes about women’s emotionality and “kitchen abandonment syndrome.”

    “When women aren’t in the kitchen, they end up crying and doing weird [stuff].” — Myron Gaines [09:05]

  • Tim rebuffs that female biology is no cause for exclusion but uses an over-the-top analogy about who should be firefighters [09:48].
  • Debate about quotas, physical capability, and how “feminism went from equality of opportunity to equality of outcome.” [11:57]

3. Psychology & Gender: Work, Relationships, and Social Roles

• Biological Drives and Social Value:

  • Men as problem solvers get dopamine from achievement; women are more relationship-oriented, get oxytocin from care work [12:13].
  • “Men are deductive problem solvers, the explorers, were the discoverers... Women don’t have the same proclivities.” — Myron Gaines [12:41]
  • The shame of stay-at-home motherhood vs. career: “We’ve completely flipped it, where for women, the metric of success is masculine burner performance.” — Myron Gaines [13:31]

• Breakups and Male Despair:

  • Men’s inability to “figure out women” after relationships leads to deep frustration and sometimes obsession [14:10].

• Women and Honest Communication:

  • “Never listen to a woman tell you what she wants and think she’s telling the truth.” — Phil Labonte [14:43]
  • Discussion about “the test,” mixed signals in dating, evolutionary psychology of mate selection [16:11].
  • Myron Gaines asserts women “have a vested interest in lying to you” about what they want romantically [16:55].

4. Culture War Flashpoints

• Scott Wiener’s Win in SF & Hasan Piker’s “Homophobic Rant”:

  • The panel discusses progressive victories and “creepy” photos of Wiener, while describing liberal San Francisco’s tolerance of public sex acts as emblematic of leftist excess [21:23].
  • “San Francisco is the city where they allow men to blow each other in public legally.” — Tim Pool [21:23]

• Law, Enforcement, and Local Norms:

  • Tim explains how unenforced laws produce vastly different realities (e.g., cohabitation bans in WV vs. enforcement in SF for public sex acts) [22:13].
  • The law is “a guideline” — actual enforcement depends on what the community wants [31:03].

• Censorship & Free Speech:

  • The group traces U.S. censorship history, noting there’s never been “true free speech.”

    “We are lying to ourselves about the U.S. Constitution... there is no meaningful protection for free speech.” — Tim Pool [31:09]

  • Discusses left/progressive tradition of censorship (e.g., Twitch bans, UK barring left/progressive figures from entry), expressing little sympathy for those now facing it:

    “No one should feel bad for [Hasan]. The UK doesn’t have a First Amendment. They can do whatever they want.” — Phil Labonte [30:04]

5. Political Violence: Is It Partisan?

• Left vs. Right Violence Metrics:

  • Tim insists “Democrats say Elon Musk is bad... they go and shoot up Tesla facilities. They say trans people are being genocided — a bunch of trans people go and shoot up schools.” [43:34]
  • “Democrats commit 475+ acts of major political violence, Republicans one — Jan 6.” — Tim Pool [40:34]

• ADL and Cato Classification of Violence:

  • Mocking how instances of violence among white supremacists, even domestic disputes, get counted as right-wing violence [41:33].
  • Tim: “It has no bearing on the Republican Party because the Republican Party already condemned white supremacy.” [42:00]

• Debate Over Definitions:

  • Ian Cross attempts to broaden ‘violence’ to include systemic deprivation; Phil and Tim push back, maintaining that only direct actions count [45:00].

6. Reaction to Rep. Luna’s "Assault" Claim (Republican Drama)

• Viral Video Breakdown:
  • Luna claims a Code Pink activist “smacked” her; video shows a light touch.

    “That crushing blow from... this Antifa terror communist nearly shattered the arm of Rep. Luna. She’s lucky to have survived this encounter.” — Tim Pool, sarcastically [57:43]

  • Panel unites in mocking the overstatement, lamenting tribal double standards and “defending the side no matter what.” [59:27]
  • “Are you kidding me, dude? This is why I hate politics so much... am I supposed to pretend to support the Republican party over things like this?” — Tim Pool [57:47]

7. Masculinity, Marriage, and Political Couples

• Political Marriages as Strategic:
  • Discussion on whether political power couples are real relationships or orchestrated for optics (e.g., Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack and Michelle Obama) [62:46].
• Mocking “Low T” Men and Female Authority:
  • “No women allowed to hold office anymore... repeal the 19th. Get ‘em out of there. Only men!” — Tim Pool & Myron Gaines, joking [61:43]

8. Viral Clips & Cancel Culture

• Jerry O’Connell “Cuck” Controversy:
  • Review of O’Connell’s viral podcast moment inviting other men to sleep with his wife — speculation on whether such stunts are PR tactics in the culture war [66:46].

9. Physical Differences & Gender

• Strength Comparisons:
  • Panel discusses viral grip strength competitions and the biology of male/female athletic performance; deride feminist attempts to “erase reality” [74:30];

    “Even military women are below average for men in grip strength.” — Tim Pool [74:30]

• Debate over Workplace Temperature:
  • Panel mocks feminist claims office temperatures are patriarchal, noting men produce more body heat; suggest women “just put a sweater on” [77:16, 78:29].

10. Self-Defense and Legal Battles: "Chud the Builder"

• The Case:
  • Streamer Chud allegedly shot someone after a confrontation; faces $1 million bond and attempted murder charges. Panel debates facts and predicts outcome:

    “Chud the Builder is going to get locked up forever. This is a test of the culture war.” — Tim Pool [80:54]

• Bias in Jury Process:
  • Tim argues American racial tribalism undermines the jury system; cites studies showing non-white jurors are more likely to acquit their in-group, while whites have zero bias [94:27].
• Implications for Second Amendment Rights:
  • Myron: “Whether you like Chud or not, if you believe in the Second Amendment, you need to keep an eye on this.” [98:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Nithya Raman:

  “She cried, guys... You can’t break down crying when you lose.” — Tim Pool [06:59]

• On Political Violence:

  “Democrats, 475 plus. Republicans, one: January 6th.” — Tim Pool [40:34]

• On Censorship:

  “We live in a country where when the cops are asking you questions, they're really thinking, how can I arrest this guy?” — Tim Pool [105:54]

• On Luna’s "Assault":

  “She tapped your shoulder to get your attention. My God. I hate politics.” — Tim Pool [57:47]
  “This antifa... nearly shattered the arm of Rep. Luna. She’s lucky to have survived this encounter.” (sarcastic) — Tim Pool [57:43]

• On Gender Differences (Grip Strength):

  “The highest grip strength among women is below average for men. This is why guys open pickle jars.” — Tim Pool [74:30]

• On Left/Right Use of Power:

  “Republicans treat power like a wine snob treats alcohol. Democrats treat power like an alcoholic.” — Tim Pool [53:11]

• On Jury Racial Bias:

  “If you’re white, black, or otherwise, you’re guilty if you’re guilty, not guilty if you’re not — for nonwhites, if you’re their race, you’re not guilty. That’s the way it works.” — Tim Pool [94:27]

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Important Segments (Timestamps)

• [05:58] Introduction of Myron Gaines, panel banter
• [07:07] California election "rigging" and Republican victories
• [08:29] Nithya Raman crying; derision and debate over political emotion
• [09:05] Sexist jokes escalate — Myron Gaines on "kitchen abandonment"
• [11:57] Feminism: From equality of opportunity to outcome
• [16:11] Dating signals and evolutionary psychology
• [21:23] Scott Wiener, progressivism, and public indecency in SF
• [28:55] Social media censorship: right and left
• [30:56] U.S. history of restricted free speech
• [35:46] Intentionality and “acceptable” limits on speech
• [40:34] Discussion of political violence metrics, left vs right
• [57:03] Rep. Luna’s “assault” by Code Pink — video analyzed
• [61:43] Satirical “repeal the 19th”/no women in office
• [66:46] Jerry O’Connell “cuck” viral moment breakdown
• [74:08] Gender, grip strength, and the limits of feminist dogma
• [80:54] Chud the Builder’s legal battle and culture war implications
• [94:27] Jury bias and the limits of American pluralism
• [98:33] Reflection on real-world power dynamics; law as a matter of institutional will

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Tone and Style

The show is irreverent, heavily sarcastic, and openly anti-progressive, with regular comedic exaggerations (especially from Myron Gaines), sharp jabs at wokeness, and a bro-like conversational rhythm.
Quotes and “memorable moments” alternate between outright mockery and serious debate, with all hosts participating in the persistent questioning of mainstream political narratives.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode offers a showcase of Timcast IRL at its most combative, juxtaposing real political developments with culture war grievances, blending current events with sweeping generalizations about gender, ideology, free speech, and the failure of America’s institutions. The discussion’s through-line is a persistent skepticism of both progressive activism and “systemic legitimacy,” urging listeners to interrogate everything from media narratives to the jury system itself.

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Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

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[Myron Gaines]

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[Tim Pool]

results out of California are absolutely stunning. Spencer Pratt. He has taken second place in the LA mayoral race. The results are not confirmed yet, but it's looking pretty good that he advances to the runoff in November. Now Hilton is in the number one spot. And this is all massive because it means turnout is likely going to be explosive for a variety of reasons. Now the response from our progressive friends and has been how? How should I say ungentlemanly and unladylike. Nithya Raman, who got third place, cried. She cried. Guys, you want to hold office, you want to be in the highest and most dangerous positions and do the hard work. You can't break down crying when you lose. And she cried. Hasan Piker, he got angry and I'll give him that. Anger is a better, is a better response than tears. Hasan aptly pointed out with Steve Hilton in the front runner position, it is going to light a fire under Republicans. And this is very bad news for progressives and Democrats. It's what's going to wake up Republicans to get out and vote because now there's an actual chance a Republican can win the governor's race in California and maybe set that state straight. So we'll talk about that. We got a lot of news in that response. And then of course, 60 minutes we gotta talk about because this one's a bit more esoteric, but this matters towards the prestige of these institutions. Scott Pelley was fired, losing his mind. There's this big uproar at CBS and Barry Wise is basically just axing all of these woke corporate damn liars and the media is getting shuffled around reshape. And that's gonna be fun. But I would be remiss if I didn't bring up the assault of Rep. Luna. I was, I was shocked and appalled. Apparently a Code Pink staffer or organizer struck Rep. Luna an assault, she says. And then we saw the video. Yeah, the Code Pink lady lightly tapped Luna on the arm to talk to her and Luna lost it and called it an assault, I guess. And it's a ridiculous story. So we're gonna talk about that. Of course the big news is the ramification of the on the midterms, what we are seeing in California is ridiculously good news for Republicans. So this is going to have a massive, massive impact. We'll talk about that before we get started. My friends. Got a great sponsor for you. It is American financing.net Tim, check it out. In today's uncertain economy, American Financing is helping families find a way out of the high interest trap. We're heading into summer, but the economic clouds aren't clearing for most middle class families. Between the persistent inflation and the cost of daily life, you're likely feeling the pressure. You worked hard for your home and you probably have more equity than you realized. If the summer surge is forcing many to rely on credit cards, it's an exhausting cycle. But American financing understands that 2026 requires a real strategy that's why they have salary based mortgage consultants with mortgage rates in the fives. Their customers are saving an average of 800amonth by wiping out high interest debt. That's money that stays in your pocket to fight back against rising costs. No upfront fees, no, no pressure. And if you start today, you could delay two mortgage payments. Call American Financing today at 866-890-7811. That's 866-890- 7811 or visit american financing.net Tim don't forget to also go to timcast.com join us. Tens of thousands of people hanging out in a community. And you know what? You should join. Make friends and be involved. Don't just sit idly by passively watching the news and the world. Join in and be part of something bigger. Community. It's the most important thing we can do. We live for the human experience. And the Tim Cast Discord community wants to hang out with you. So please join us. Your support makes this show possible. Don't forget to smash the like button right now. Share this show across all of social media. Give it a like, give it a subscribe. Hit that notification bell. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we got Myron Gaines.

[Myron Gaines]

Hey, thanks for having me, man.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Myron Gaines]

1/2 the Fresh Fit podcast, author of why I'm Deserve Even Less. New book out in stores. Book number one was why Women Deserve Less. Book number two is why Women Deserve Even Less. And book three coming soon, why Women Deserve Nothing. So, yeah, happy to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Are you actually making those books?

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he's an author and good to have you. Should be fun. It'll be funny. We got the boys hanging out. Ian, of course, everybody.

[Ian Cross]

Good to be here. Phil labonte in the house. Good to see you.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. Thank you very much.

[Ian Cross]

Very clean cut. You look good. Very, very lit, bro.

[Phil Labonte]

Got rid of the, the mustache makes me look a little younger.

[Ian Cross]

Did you talk about the tour already on the show?

[Phil Labonte]

Talk about it a little bit. Yeah.

[Ian Cross]

I don't want to. I don't want to drag it on, but yeah. People keep saying you look really young, Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Go on tour, you lose about 10 years or so.

[Ian Cross]

Wow, that's wild. That's correct. Probably a lot of cardio.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You know, he's absorbing their energy like some kind of music vampire.

[Phil Labonte]

It's true. It's true.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's get the news. We got this one from the New York Post. Nithya Rahman's appalling Tantrum after LA mayoral flop. Okay, the first thing we got to talk about is tremendous, tremendous victory for the Republicans in LA and in California statewide, Steve Hilton is the front runner for the governor's race. He'll move to a runoff. Spencer Pratt is in second place. He's currently up 7.1 points. So Nithya Raman is starting to close the gap a little bit. Only 62% of the votes are in. And the most important thing you need to understand is that California has election month and they say they will not know the results for weeks. My argument is because they're rigging the election, they want to slowly count the ballots and make sure they can eliminate votes for the Republicans. But in the meantime, Spencer Pratt had a tremendous showing. People are screaming and cheering. They're super excited. Hilton is in first place for the governor's race. And in response, I actually couldn't believe this when I was told this. When the boys were like, you know, Nithya Rama was crying, I was like, crying. She's an adult woman. What is she crying for? Oh, I was wrong. Their children. I've been a candidate for something as long as you can remember, and you've

had to live through it with me. And you've been so patient through all of it.

Thank you. I hope you know that everything every person in this room is fighting for in this campaign has been about building a city that's worthy of you and every child in this city. Oh, no. Oh, no, she's crying. Quick. Burn the Constitution.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, I'm okay with a little bit of emotion. I mean, Jordan Peterson does it. Well, if you're really thinking.

[Tim Pool]

No, he doesn't. He does not do it.

[Ian Cross]

Well, nice to see a grown man be, you know, not close off.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's crazy. It's off putting.

[Ian Cross]

Depends on when you do it. It's off putting for people to be constantly. Just shut off their emotions as well. What's that?

[Phil Labonte]

He does it all the time.

[Ian Cross]

Sometimes he does it. He's not that extreme. But anyway, this girl that. Her voice was shrill. It was annoying. I don't know what she was crying about. I mean, she lost. I don't think.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe she was sad because she's chilling.

[Ian Cross]

That's different than loving your wife so much that it brings you to tears.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see that video where the female members of Congress were like, my menstrual pain is so intense, I deserve time off from work.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. I mean, you know, this is what happens. It's a disease called kas, Kitchen Abandonment Syndrome. When Women aren't in the kitchen. They end up crying and doing weird.

[Tim Pool]

I think that they're. That her menstrual cycle would be painful whether she was in the kitchen or out of it.

[Myron Gaines]

It'd be less painful when she's in the kitchen. There's actually studies out there that show the closer you are to a stove, the less it hurts during your period.

[Ian Cross]

There might be something.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, to be fair, there's a hot bath wine and a nice book. And that's why. But you know, it's funny because you're making a joke and you're like, I should be in the kitchen. But she's asking to be.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think he's joking.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. I mean, it's a half joke. It's meant to be humorous. The point is she's agreeing with you. Yeah, she's saying, I want to be home because my hoo hoo hurts. Now this is the issue I take with Nithy Raman crying. Listen, man, women can do certain jobs. Like if there's a 6 foot 7 behemoth of a woman who talks like this and she's like, I'm going to be a firefighter, I'd be like, okay. Like, I always make the joke that if I'm in a burning building and I'm like gagging for air on the ground and I'm like, I'm not going to make it, and the door busts open, I don't care if it's a man or woman. I want to see a six foot tall, glistening, you know, sweaty, oiled hunk of muscle. And like, the last thing I want to see is 110 pound woman soaking wet being like, I can't pick you up, you're going to die. Like, so if that turns out to be a 6 foot 5 behemoth of a woman who's like, I'll carry you out. I'd be like, yes, awesome. But I got to be honest, that's not likely. That's. That's just not likely. So truth be told, every man would prefer to see, for the most part, a ripped Arnold, glistening, sweaty guy being like, I'm gonna pick you up and carry to safety. You'd be like, save me. You know, like, you're burning to death. I don't care. I don't want to see a frail woman anyway. Look, my point is this. Holy crap. Nithya Raman crying over losing this race.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, I've asked women this question on my show as well, and I say, look, if you call 911. You're at the worst moment of your life. What do you want? Who do you want to walk through the door? And every single time. Yeah, I want a capable man. Like, it, it is what it is, right? Like, you know, I think it's very important that, you know, women tend to look at like the exceptions of the rule versus like the rule in general. Are there women out there that are capable of doing this stuff? Absolutely. But it's not enough of them, it's not high enough of a percentage to like substantiate an entire, you know, you know, society using females to do certain masculine dominated jobs.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, look, look, speaking, speaking generally, it's, it's all correct that the issue though is like my point is, listen, out of a hundred guys who can lift up a person and carry them out of a burning building, there's gonna be maybe one woman who can do it.

[Myron Gaines]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

And so that's fine for that woman to get that job.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And that's what feminism was supposed to be. If you are a she hulk and you wanna do this job, please, you are capable of doing it. The problem is we turned that into we have quotas now and we're sending 5 foot 4, 110 pound women to try and hold a fire hose and they blast off like a rocket ship because they get launched in the air from the pressure.

[Myron Gaines]

Feminism went from equality of opportunity to equality of outcome. And that's the issue here. Look, if they can meet all the standards, cool, no problem. The problem is that a significant amount of them cannot. And we're watering down, you know, our military, our firefighters, our police for to meet these quotas.

[Ian Cross]

I was listening to someone last night, I poured through Instagram last night, Instagram clips, but one of the guys was saying that men get a large dopamine release from solving problems. Women don't get that. As for as far as he said, they don't get it, they get it from, they get oxytocin release from like interpersonal relationships. So that's, I think, why they're drawn to nursing, why they're drawn to care. Positions of care where guys want to go fix the problem, put out the fire, put the wall up. And you know, that's just general.

[Myron Gaines]

You have evidence to back your theory. If you look at like, you know, the majority of inventions and human progression, etc. Who's always been at the forefront of that? It's always been men. Men are deductive problem solvers where the explorers were the discoverers. Women don't have the same proclivities to go out there and explore and innovate. They just, it's not their biological imperative. But for men, our, our ability to procreate, our ability to create children and have offspring is contingent upon our productivity, which is why we're highly incentivized to go out there and be productive.

[Tim Pool]

And women have babies.

[Myron Gaines]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

But.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, and they get offended by the idea. And that's the problem with modern feminism, that women are ashamed that they are. They have babies. Yes. Like the, the, the women. These feminists actually argue like you think women are only just having babies. And it's like principally they are. Yes. And that's a very important thing because humans don't exist without that. And like, guys, why do you want to, why do you want to come into the men's space and argue with a bunch of guys anyway? I don't get it.

[Myron Gaines]

So one thing that's interesting, whenever I have like a panel show and I have like a girl that's like maybe a stay at home mom or she's in like a loving relationship, whatever, she kind of prioritizes motherhood and being a wife or a girlfriend. And we have other girls that might be a bit more feminist or chasing a career. They'll shame her for not pursuing a career and having money and whatever. Like what, you're just a bum. You hang out all day and it's like we've completely flipped it where for women, the metric of success is like the masculine burner performance versus like, for women, it's versus, you know, these feminist women are just shaming these women for being moms, which is like what I think is the best thing they should be doing.

[Ian Cross]

But it's a tough job. Maybe the job on the planet.

[Myron Gaines]

Thankless job. It's a thankless job.

[Ian Cross]

I still harass my mother. I called her today, like 47 years later, I'm still calling the woman and asking for her advice.

[Myron Gaines]

And I'll say this too, because you mentioned like the oxytocin release, right? From like, you know, being figuring things out and deductive problem solving. I think that's a big reason why men get hurt by rel relationships ending more. Because for a lot of guys that might be brilliant, high iq, etc, one of the few things they can't conquer is like understanding female psychology. So a lot of guys after a bad breakup, they thought they did everything right. They did what they were told was right. And then after the breakup they're like, I can't figure this out. And this is what leads guys to, you know, self deletion reads obsession. Exactly. Because they're like, I figured everything else out. Why can't I figure out women? And we've been told about women is completely counterproductive.

[Phil Labonte]

Never listen to a woman tell you what she wants and think that she's telling the truth.

[Ian Cross]

This is what I'm.

[Phil Labonte]

She doesn't have any idea.

[Myron Gaines]

Let me ask you guys.

[Tim Pool]

No, I disagree.

[Myron Gaines]

No idea.

[Tim Pool]

They, they, they do, but they're not going to tell you. Exactly.

[Ian Cross]

So women are not here right now. So I'll ask you guys as men, what you think. I think that if a guy changes his feelings, change about something, he'll tell you. He'll be like, I don't feel that thing I used to anymore. Now I feel this new thing. And you'll be like, well, I see by the way you're saying it that that's true. Whereas a woman, she just starts acting different and you're like, I better. I'm not like paying attention. She's not going to tell me.

[Tim Pool]

There's a. Maybe that's, there's a cartoon meme that was on the front page of Reddit and it was, it was like a woman with like a book stand. It was like, it was like an animation. And the guy walks up and he was like, he was like, hey there. Just saw you over here, thought you looked interesting and wanted to introduce myself. My name's John. Just wondering if you had any interest in ever hanging out. And she goes, no, no, thank you. And he goes, have a good day. And he turns on to walk off and she, she goes, what? Is that it? You're just going to leave? And he goes, you said, no, I'm gonna go play video games.

[Ian Cross]

She's like, it's not what I said,

[Tim Pool]

it's how I said it.

[Ian Cross]

Couldn't you read between the lines?

[Tim Pool]

The point is, the reason why this video went viral is because it is a trope accepted by men and women that women will say, oh no, I'm not interested. Because they want the guy to show interest. It's a test. And then you get this weird mix where obviously there are times where women really don't want a guy to do something. So they say no. But the problem then becomes a meme emerges where there are women who are saying, actually no doesn't mean no. And then guys are like, I ain't getting anywhere near that statement. Right.

[Ian Cross]

I think that comes evolutionarily from a woman that wants a guy that can read between the lines. Like, you're going to get a lot of shit tossed at you in the world, Ian, or whoever you are. Get ready to read through the crap. So if I'm telling you no in a situation, but you can tell my body language is telling you yes, you're supposed to somehow know that.

[Tim Pool]

And I think the reason why women do this is they want to feel wanted. And I think it's also part of evolutionary psychology where if you, if you think about it from, you know, go back 10,000 years. If a woman said yes to the any guy who walked up, she's getting low value males she's trying to sort out. She, you can't see a guy. Like a guy walks up, maybe he's physically fit, that's points. But you can't see if he's smart and capable. So women will push back and test the man to see if he's actually valuable.

[Myron Gaines]

That's why social proof is so important for them. And then the other thing I will say, right, and feminists will get mad at me for saying this, but like, if women were honest about, you know, their interest when it comes to arousal and, and romance, they would say, yeah, don't call me back, don't pedestalize me, always be the leader, always make the decisions. I'm inept, I don't know what I want to eat, I'm indecisive. Like, if women were actually honest about how they behave, no one would take them seriously. So they have a vested interest in lying to you, right? And selling a certain side of them that is more socially acceptable, more appealable. Like one thing about women, right, that's interesting because some guy was like, instacart

[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Cross]

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[Myron Gaines]

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[Ian Cross]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

[e-mail] well, Myron, how can you give

[Myron Gaines]

a voice when like, you're like an asshole or whatever, you're not like a nice guy? And I'm like, look, dude, what women say they want versus what they respond to are two different things. And I like to use the example of hybrisophilia. Women overwhelmingly prefer bad boys, criminals, degenerates, etc. You look at like a Ted Bundy, a Richard Ramirez, Luigi Mangioni in modern times. Why are women showing up to these guys? Trials and droves. These guys are like, you know, some of the most deplorable human beings. It's because women have a fascination with men that go against the grain and just kind of get it in some way. So women are never going to be honest about their sexual proclivities because it would make them look crazy. So that's why they have to say, I want flowers in a gentleman. I think respond to that favorably.

[Tim Pool]

Luigi Mangeone. And like these murderers, the idea is they'll kill for you. They'll kill everybody else but you.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I mean? Like, if you, if you're living in the wilderness and there's bears and bad people around and you're a woman, you're like, I want my man to just massacre anybody who threatens me.

[Myron Gaines]

You need to be capable of violence. And, and obviously these murderers are like, embodying that obviously illegally. But it's, it's very important that, that like, you know, the things that women are aroused by and attracted to are like, just not politically correct. So they can't be honest about that.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the New York Post. Porn obsessed Hassan Piker goes on shocking homophobic rant after Scott Wiener wins SF Congressional primary. So I guess Scott Wiener won Pelosi's seat. She's retiring and he's. He's really.

[Myron Gaines]

Pittsburgh and Philly are far more progressive than San Fran and la. Yeah, yeah. You know what it is? I know what it is. Fucking car reliant infrastructure. The more cars you have, the more shutty the fucking city is. That's it. No public transit.

[Tim Pool]

Scott Wiener wins.

[Myron Gaines]

No fucking people living close to one another. No close quarters to one another. No public transit at all. Massive wealth disparity.

[Phil Labonte]

That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Myron Gaines]

It's just fucking rich liberals who just want Homo fascism in the country. That's it. They want gay fascism. They want gay techno fascism.

[Tim Pool]

So I guess what happened is that everybody he endorsed that went on his stream lost.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So he, like, Trump, I guess, just lost. Was it. Was it Utah or Iowa? One of his endorsements lost.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Was it. Was it Iowa?

[Phil Labonte]

Which one? It was, but there was.

[Tim Pool]

And so that's like. Trump's just lost one endorsement, but he's, like, swept everyone else. Hassan's just lost Every. Everyone he's backed has just lost. And so he's really pissed off. But of course, there is a lot coming out about Scott Wiener winning in Pelosi's district because people have questions about that guy. I'll say it like that.

[Ian Cross]

Mr. Weiner.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Mr. Wer.

[Phil Labonte]

He's. He's pretty creepy. There's a lot of photos of him at gay pride parades, just dressed up like, you know, the people that go to gay pride parades. And.

[Tim Pool]

And what? Like, Hassan backed the other candidate, so he's pissed off.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he's not. He's not wrong, though.

[Phil Labonte]

Wieners are pretty progressive, guy.

[Tim Pool]

Well, look, San Francisco is the city where they. They allow men to blow each other in public legally. Yeah, it is. It is. You didn't know this?

[Myron Gaines]

Where?

[Tim Pool]

In L. A? San Francisco.

[Myron Gaines]

San Fran.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, yeah, in San Fran, like, two dudes could go at it right in public and middle of the street. And that's allowed. You didn't know that?

[Myron Gaines]

No. There's, like, no type of, like, indecency. They don't have any voyeurism. None of these laws, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Come on. You know how, you know how law works.

[Myron Gaines]

Of course, but, like, if.

[Tim Pool]

If a city is entirely gay.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The cop is probably gay.

[Myron Gaines]

They just don't want to enforce it. Okay, I see.

[Tim Pool]

Like, yeah, but hold on. But, like, in West Virginia, men and women aren't allowed to live together.

[Myron Gaines]

Okay?

[Tim Pool]

It's the same thing.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

In West Virginia, the law says man and women cannot cohabitate. Everybody does. Yeah, but you have to be married in order to cohabitate. Yeah, but there's tons of people living with their boyfriends or girlfriends.

[Myron Gaines]

So, like, the laws on the books is what you're saying is just that they just don't enforce it in San Francisco.

[Tim Pool]

But I want to clarify that because it makes it sound like it's unique. It is. It is the fundamental principle of law in every city, every county, and every state in this country that there are laws on the books. The police do not enforce. Of course, because the community does not want it enforced. So to stress cohabitation is illegal in many states. But like, any cop is going to arrest you for shacking your girlfriend. That's the point. Being gay in like, having sex in public is so normalized in San Francisco. The cops won't arrest you for it. And I'm not going to show the video, but there's video of this.

[Myron Gaines]

That's great.

[Tim Pool]

And somebody walks with the cops and they're like, there's two guys going at it right now. And the cops are like, what do you want us to do about it?

[Myron Gaines]

There's insane laws. There's like, in Texas, they still have like, you know, cow tipping laws and stuff like that. So, like, yeah, there's insane laws.

[Tim Pool]

Not real.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, Texas Rangers. So it used to be. So the Texas Rangers, we make this joke all the time, right? Like, the, the Texas Rangers, like, were pretty much kind of formulated. One of the reasons they were formulated was like, for cattle theft. And it used to be like a capital offense way back in the day. And like, they're still on the books, but like, you know, it's kind of like a ceremonial thing. Like, do they still enforce it in that way? No, but like, they get mad when you talk about this, by the way, with the Texas Rangers.

[Tim Pool]

But it is. I do like the cow tipping thing though, because people believe it. Like, how do you think you're going to knock 1500 pound running jump kick?

[Ian Cross]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

And the funny thing is like, cattle theft. It's obvious. Cattle theft for sure.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But that still is on the books. There's. There's, there's cattle.

[Myron Gaines]

No, it is. No, it is. It is on books.

[Tim Pool]

The funny thing is, you know, because we. I've lived around cows for a long time. Obviously there's a lot of people who lived around cows longer than me, but like, cows just, you know, lay down, they. You know what I mean? Like, you're not tipping them over.

[Ian Cross]

They're on the ground, see a cow get knocked over.

[Tim Pool]

But it's like, I think that cows sleep standing up for some reason. I don't get it.

[Myron Gaines]

The joke, like, for all Texas law enforcement is like, you know, when you work with the Rangers, like, you make a joke about like, hey, you guys were created because of cows. So, like, it pissed them off. So it's like, that's like the running joke in the law enforcement community in Texas. Like they were made like cow police first. Like, that was like the main. Because it's such a big deal back in the Day like your cow was your livelihood. So it's like, yeah, but they get

[Tim Pool]

the food for the city.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So, you know, you go back in the day and there's a cattle rancher with a couple thousand heads, and the city nearby is like, if something happens that we die, we die in winter. So if you messed with them, if you were cattle poacher or something, everybody's coming for you. Because it's not just about the business owner. It's about, are we going to survive the winter.

[Ian Cross]

Horse thieves, too. They would kill them.

[Myron Gaines]

They have a rich history. You can't be a ranger unless you know you were born in Texas. Like, they have, like, all this, like, you know, ceremonial.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't Scout Weiner the dude who wanted. Like, he wanted to pass that law where you could kidnap kids to trans them?

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Ian Cross]

Oh, I figured out it was the Iowa guy. Lost Republican Randy.

[Tim Pool]

That was. Yeah. To. To.

[Jerry O'Connell]

What's the.

[Tim Pool]

What's the guy's name?

[Ian Cross]

I didn't get the other guy, but anyway. Yeah, but that Weiner.

[Phil Labonte]

What were you saying?

[Tim Pool]

These. These west coast states, Oregon, Washington, California are passing these laws where you can kidnap a kid and trans them against the wishes of the parent, and the state will protect the Kim sanctuary and Hasan. I mean, I do think it's funny that Hasan is pissed about it, and I'm gonna give it to him. I'm not gonna rag on Hasan. He's mad at Weiner, who's a creepo. And, you know, at the end of the day, if we can align at least against Pedos and creepos.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, no, no. I don't. I don't think. I don't think Hasan is against Weiner because of those things. Hassan may be against Weiner because the other candidate is more progressive or there was somebody preferred, but I don't imagine that the other candidate would be like, no, you can't trans the kids or whatever. Like, it's just a matter of Hasan wanted to be more progressive or if I. I would assume that Hasan.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, no, I agree. And I think it's funny that he's going on what's being called a shocking homophobic rant, even though, like, you're right, the other candidate probably is largely going to agree anyway.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And if. If they got in, they'd be like, yeah, you can. You can have gay sex in public. Whatever.

[Ian Cross]

I've talked about Hassan much lately, but I. I really believe he is a. Has been a LARPing communist. And it caught up to him. Like, he's been pretending to Be. He doesn't really know, truly know what that means. If you, if you tried to do a communist revolution, like the way that

[Tim Pool]

lives in a, like a Five Million dollar Man.

[Myron Gaines]

He identifies as a democratic socialist. Him and Kyle Kalinsky both, both identifies that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then Kyle Kalins nuts. At least Hassan has maintained a level of like, as bad as he is, he's been as bad as he is. Kyle Kalinsky is like, I don't know. He had, he had an embolism pop in his brain that just like fried

[Ian Cross]

his frontal lobe sign at a wake up call last week or a couple weeks ago when the government started investigating where they announced they were going to investigate him. And now he's been banned from the uk. Like, I think, I think he's realizing, like, don't play games on the Internet. Like, don't, don't mess with people about communism, bro. Especially about communism.

[Phil Labonte]

He's not, I don't think he's learned anything. He, he looks at himself as, he looks at himself as a victim. And he is going to use this to, you know, finesse people out of their money because he's going to be like, oh, I'm the victim here. The government's coming after me because they don't like what I have to say, and it's because of Israel and blah, blah, blah. He's going to use that as much as he possibly can.

[Ian Cross]

He, like, he immediately started naming names right after they investigate him. He's like, he named the guy and that's because he's dumb funding it. That's because he's like, he's like a canary. Like, look, it's a, it's a game to me, you guys. This is the real money. This is the guy who's been pulling all the strings.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think it's a game to, I mean, went to China, he went to, to Cuba. I think that he really does have an affinity for communist dictatorships. He really does believe the things that he says and he want. He really hates America.

[Tim Pool]

That is so weird.

[Phil Labonte]

I've watched a lot.

[Ian Cross]

I've watched so much money in this country.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Cross]

Working with his cousin at the Young Turks.

[Phil Labonte]

It doesn't, it doesn't.

[Myron Gaines]

Uncle is. It's interesting because, like, they're getting a taste of what it's like to be a conservative. It's like they got banned from the UK and it's like, you know, oh my God, what's going on here? And it's like, yeah, welcome to being a conservative commentator, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Two weeks before he got banned, they banned 11 of Tommy Robinson' friends and fans.

[Myron Gaines]

So, dude, it's crazy because like they can operate on Tik Tok with impunity, Instagram, etc, like, I can't have a Tik Tok. I know you've had issues with them as well. Like, you know, they never deal with censorship ever. So it's like they get banned, like what's going on here? And it's like, it's funny because it's like that, you know, progressive ideology of like pro censorship is exactly what got him in trouble with the uk. It was the Labor Party, which is their functional equivalent of the Democrats and you know, the J Lobby. I know on YouTube that, you know, were instrumental in keeping him and Chen out, but it is that leftist ideology.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that's true at all.

[Myron Gaines]

They put records on, they put those articles on it that it was the Labor Party and the J Lobby.

[Tim Pool]

But they. Two weeks before they banned Pro Israel, a handful of pro Israel people from coming the country to who Tommy Robinson is massively pro Israel was bringing in a bunch of people for Israeli and they banned him as well.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, but they're going to. Yes, that is true, but he also.

[Tim Pool]

The issue is, are you going to cause problems for the establishment? So that includes Israel for sure. But that's not the principal reason. It's like Hasan is a disruptive figure and so is Jack. And they're like, no, we want control.

[Ian Cross]

What did Cenk do that?

[Tim Pool]

Same thing.

[Myron Gaines]

Same thing.

[Ian Cross]

Just talked crap about communists.

[Tim Pool]

Israel is a component of this. I'm not saying it's not the case, but they're an offense to established order is like the way I describe it. So for them it likely is the issue of Israel, but the principal issue is the UK is banning people they feel could disrupt their, their control systems. Right. So that includes Robinson.

[Myron Gaines]

People they ban. Yay too. Oh, they ban him as well for the same thing.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't they ban over pro Palestine rapping? What was it?

[Myron Gaines]

No, I know who you're talking about. He's British, so he was good. But like. I know who you're talking about. They canceled his tour in America.

[Tim Pool]

No, he got banned from the us.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, he got. Yeah, they canceled his tour. Yeah, I know the guy with the, with the dreadlocks. Yeah, but like it was, it was the J lobby that lobbied hard.

[Tim Pool]

The Labor Party just mentioned a random. There's, there's, there's more black people with Dr.

[Ian Cross]

The one white Jewish guy who's the J.

[Myron Gaines]

But the bottom line is like, it's, it's the, you know, it's this lack of, you know, freedom of speech that the left practices all the time that could, you know, came back to bite them in the ass. It's like, that's why has been pro censor for a very long time now he's getting a taste of his own medicine. He always like when someone gets banned on Twitch. That's like a right winger, like, yeah, get him out of here, blah, blah.

[Phil Labonte]

It's like, okay, dude, he was never speaking up for you. He was, he wasn't speaking up for Fuentes. He wasn't speaking up for Lauren Southern when she got banned. He didn't speak up for the Christina Gomez, I think is her name the Valentina Gomez? Yeah, Valentina Gomez. He didn't speak up for her when she was banned from the uk. No one should feel bad for him. No one should speak up in defense of him. The UK doesn't have a first Amendment. They can do whatever they want. So Hasan can sit there and just cry.

[Tim Pool]

They, they have an unwritten. They have a spoken constitution. An unwritten constitution. And free speech is a principle of it. And I would argue that we are lying to ourselves about the US Constitution being, you know. Well, I'll say, I'll go halfway with this. Obviously there is something better in a written constitution. That's why the founding fathers had this debate. And I believe it was the anti federalists were like, we have to write it down. But to be honest, like, writing it down means very little.

[Ian Cross]

It's like you said earlier, the cops will only enforce a law in the city if they agree with the law in the city or if the people in the city agree with it. So the Constitution is a guideline.

[Tim Pool]

But if the cops in the public

[Ian Cross]

doesn't want it, it's not what the

[Tim Pool]

cops agreeing with it. It's about whether the cops feel like the public wants it to happen.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So for instance, we have the first Amendment in this country. Right. But we're lying to ourselves to think there's any real protection of free speech. And I think you could make the argument on censorship and the J lobby or APEC or whatever, but we can easily just mention Cuomo shutting churches down in New York during COVID or just Covid in general. The moment they decided to snap their fingers and tell you you had no rights, nothing happened other than your rights were taken from you.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that, that, that, that's a, a 21st century development. And I understand that you're going to make the argument about when the founders first had blasphemy laws and stuff, but when the Skokie, Illinois topic came up in the 60s, whether or not the Nazis could march in Skokie, Illinois, that was kind of like the standard for from 1965 or whatever until basically the turn of the century.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but no, it wasn't. George Carlin got arrested in the 70s for swearing.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, okay, that's right.

[Tim Pool]

And I think. Was it like, didn't Lenny Bruce as well.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Public obscenity laws were in effect. Like it, it wasn't until the 90s. Even in the 90s, you did not have free, free speech. The public air airwaves have been restricted since their inception. With the government regulating your right to say words. Yeah, this, this more offensive.

[Phil Labonte]

This speaks to an idea that or my conception of freedom of speech. You, when it comes to freedom of speech, you can basically articulate any argument that you want to make so long as you don't do it in a way that's intended to offend people. If you're delicate about the way you say things like whether it be Israel or whoever else or whatever else, you can kind of get away with it. It's when you say things that are intentionally vulgar, intentionally trying to incite people, you know, upset.

[Myron Gaines]

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[Myron Gaines]

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[Phil Labonte]

Attack.

[Tim Pool]

Are you saying that's the way it should be?

[Phil Labonte]

I'm saying that that's generally the way that it is. Obviously it's.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think so. I don't think that's ever been the

[Phil Labonte]

case, you know, articulating ideas.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. No, I don't think that's ever.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I think, I think you can kind of.

[Tim Pool]

I think that, you know, in the, in the early 2010s, people were getting censored from social media for posting crime statistics.

[Phil Labonte]

That's why I said up until, up until the turn of the century in text.

[Ian Cross]

It's hard to.

[Myron Gaines]

Where we Talking like First Amendment. We're talking like with.

[Tim Pool]

I still, I still think it's fair to say, like, Even in the 2000s, if you wanted to hold a rally highlighting crime stats of the black community, you'd be rejected.

[Phil Labonte]

Like I said, that was, that was after the turn of the century. So in, after 20, after 2000 is when kind of the woke, people started to focus on, you know, you can say this, you cannot share this idea. But prior to that, if you were delicate about.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. Talking about, you're making arguments for a narrow, a narrow determination on what speech is allowed.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that's, that's, that's what I'm saying. It's, I think, and I, I think

[Tim Pool]

in turn, then we agree there has never been true free speech in this country.

[Phil Labonte]

Again, I, if you want to articulate it like that, that's fine. Then, yes, I would agree with you. But I think the idea that the idea or the concept of free speech is more importantly about sharing an idea that's, that is controversial as opposed to the way that you're saying. And I understand what you're saying and I.

[Myron Gaines]

That's not perfect. I think we got the best system. But like, I would argue that free speech absolute is.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think, do you think that in like 1995, if you wanted to rent the net, like get a permit for the National Mall for a Namblo rally, they would have permitted it? I don't believe they would, no.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know. I'm probably not.

[Tim Pool]

They would have found some reason to say, no, you can't do this. Ultimately, the point is it's pretty fascinating to think we talk about free speech in this country. In the 90s, the FCC, a federal regulator, which was created through an act of Congress and the executive branch, enforced law against people from speaking certain obscene words, showing things.

[Ian Cross]

There was butt crack on NYPD Blue.

[Tim Pool]

That's different.

[Ian Cross]

It was the first time butt crackers ever shown on like network.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. If you want to make an argument images, there's a different argument there because speech, one could argue about images, but the point is they literally would criminal. Like you would get fined for saying a naughty word. So where we are at now with the progressives, they think certain naughty words should not be allowed in the public space and on social media. And they're carrying on the tradition of political power shutting down what is viewed to be obscene that has existed in this country since since its inception.

[Ian Cross]

I like Phil's take. I like it that you're saying it's about the intention Because I'll bring up some pretty racy topics and even say words where you're like, how did he get away with that? Because it's the way I'm saying it is. With true intention of learning and helping.

[Phil Labonte]

To Tim's point about the, you know, whether or not you have a NAMBLA rally, probably not, but you could, you weren't going to go to jail for saying, look, I'm going to make the argument that it's not about jail, it's

[Tim Pool]

about whether or not you like, whether or not the government will act to restrict you in some way over your words, be it a calmly articulated opinion on news and politics or a vulgar and obscene tirade with slurs.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I think the vulgar and vulgar and obscene stuff is far more likely to get the attention of the state than, than a reasoned look at, look

[Tim Pool]

at the satanic panic. They, they, they censored board games. Magic the Gathering, famously. I've got one of the cards behind me. It's, it's called Unholy Strength. The man is a pentagram. And because of, was it Tipper Gore, they forced Hasbro to remove a depiction of what is meant to show evil.

[Phil Labonte]

But wasn't that after, after 2000?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, that was 1993.

[Ian Cross]

It was early.

[Tim Pool]

It was in 1993. We were still dealing with Satanic panic. And so you had elements of the government say, we cannot allow this. And it wasn't Hasbro at the time. I think it was, you know, it was probably Wizards, right, Wizards of the coast they had to remove because of the backlash. So when this is the important thing about what enforced.

[Myron Gaines]

They didn't try to fight it.

[Tim Pool]

What can you fight? Did.

[Myron Gaines]

They did.

[Tim Pool]

Let me put it this way.

[Ian Cross]

It happened pretty quick.

[Tim Pool]

If, let's say, like, I mean, maybe you're a little bit different, but for the average person who is selling, let's just say you've opened a flavored honey shop in New York City and you've got a bunch of suppliers of various honeys from around the world. That's all you know, you're not political. All of a sudden, some high ranking dude in the federal government just says, I hate you. I don't care why I hate you. I just do. I am gonna destroy your life. You're like, bro, oh my God, it doesn't matter.

[Myron Gaines]

Sounds like me.

[Tim Pool]

It doesn't matter if there's a law on the book. What matters is that this person in government, he says, I'm gonna go to Congress and we're gonna get a subpoena against you. And no matter what you say, you're going to prison for perjury. That's the power of government law. This is the important thing that, like, the whole crux of this conversation and the point to be understood as it pertains to Hasan Piker. I'm for censorship. I've always been for censorship. What I disagree with is silencing someone's ability to express a legitimate political worldview. So censorship is like child abuse material, murder, crime. Like, we want people behind the scenes on social media to be removing that stuff because it should not be allowed. But this acknowledges there is a limit that. That people are willing to accept in what we are allowed to say. Someone might say, I think it should be the right of every American to show graphic depictions of gore and violence on these tech platforms, because this is a natural part of the world, and we shouldn't hide from it. In fact, there's probably some dudes who are like, we're a bunch of pansies. People. Kids used to grow up seeing murder and mayhem and animals mauling each other. And we've removed it. I think we should be allowed to show it. And so they hold up a big sign saying gore is not, you know, is not. Should not be censored. I think it should be. I'm like, I don't think you should be going on public showing children depictions of, like, serious murder, death, conflict, war, that kind of stuff. I think it should be allowed, you know, on social media spaces. But there is a line where I'm like, educational, historical. Yeah, not in front of kids. Not in front of kids. So out in public, marching on the sign. I'm not okay with that. And the question ultimately becomes, are you willing to use power to enforce your moral worldview? And it comes down to this. In West Virginia, cohabitation, illegal. No one's going to enforce against it, because the truth is, no one cares.

[Myron Gaines]

Is common law marriage here a thing or. No?

[Tim Pool]

I don't. I. Common law, I think, is a federal thing for the most part, where you can choose to file jointly. I don't think it's anything like. I don't think they can.

[Myron Gaines]

I know some states, if you live together for long enough that they consider it common law, but I think all

[Tim Pool]

that means is that you can file a joint claim. Oh, yeah. For the purpose.

[Myron Gaines]

That's what I. That's what I meant for. That's why I was asking you.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the. Here's the thing, though. No, no. Modern American's morality is Offended by the idea of a man and woman deciding to move in together.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's just. It's just not. Some people. Yes. But not enough to where the police feel like it's going to be an issue. However, where it gets interesting, most Americans oppose drag shows for and with children.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The issue is the average American is terrified of far left terror and extremism, so they shut their mouths and let it happen. The right has been unwilling to operate in the way the left has operated. The only mainstream major political violence we've seen in the past 10 years on the right is January 6th.

[Myron Gaines]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

For the left, there's over 475 different instances, incidents where mainstream left. I'm not talking about fringe extremists. I'm talking about when you take the liberal Democrat manifesto and the. And the conservative Republican manifesto, apply that and then ask, based on these worldviews, who commits violence? Republicans, one, Democrats, 475 plus.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, I was literally having a discussion on this. I've always said that progressives are far more likely to go out, demonstrate, protest, get out there. You know what I mean? Actually, like, you know, put some muscle behind their belief system and a part of, you know, progressive. It's literally in the name they want to progress. A lot of times for them, they look at violence as a viable option to progress versus conservatives are trying to conserve what we already have. So progressives, it's in the name, like they're totally okay with violence. And like, anyone someone made some argument like, oh, actually conservatives are more violent. We looked at the ADL and I'm like, dude, the ADL will go ahead and look at like two white dudes fighting in a prison and consider that it's worse than violence. They literally had the stats.

[Tim Pool]

I think it was Cato, a white supremacist who punched his wife was listed as white supremacist. Violence.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes. They literally use anything. Dude. They literally, two white dudes can find a prison and use.

[Tim Pool]

But my argument for that, maybe, maybe I'll appear on Jubilee and this will come up. My argument on that is conservatives don't know how to have a conversation because everything exists in the liberal framework. So when someone says something to me like, you know, when you, when you like, the right is more responsible for violence, my response is that my response.

[Myron Gaines]

I laugh when they say that, well,

[Tim Pool]

that's fine, but what does right mean? So is it meaningful to the American voter to include, I don't know, like the 10,000 Klan members or white supremacists? That is in this country with the mainstream Republican Party. And they can argue. Yes, but I'll say, listen, Charlie Kirk kicked these people out of his events. He censored them. He agreed with you in that regard. So when you're talking about the right engaging in violence, and I don't care what your criteria like the extent of violence might be, like a white supremacist punching his wife, that's fine, put on the list. That has no bearing on the Republican Party because the Republican Party already condemned white supremacy. So when it's not meaningful to me in any way to include fringe leftist or right wing elements, if there is a tanky wearing, you know, like Revcom, you know Revcom Revolutionary Communist Party, okay. They wear boots and uniforms and they actually goose step and march at protests. Now as far as I know, they don't engage in any extreme violence.

[Myron Gaines]

But my point is antifa offshoot of antifa or some kind of unrelated. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

They are like a fringe weirdo elements on the left and they organize. Now if this guy punches his wife and you put on the list saying a revolutionary communist engaged in an act of violence, I would respond the exact same way. What that man does has no bearing on what the Democratic party says they want or their ideologies. Now here's the thing. When you take a look at the motivations of the Democratic Party and their candidates, we see lots of violence. We see them saying Elon Musk is bad, the billionaires are bad. And what happens? They go and shoot up Tesla facilities.

[Myron Gaines]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

They say trans people are being genocided. What happens? A bunch of trans people go and shut up schools on the right. They say Donald Trump was unlawfully arrested. Our borders are being opened. Not one instance of a Republican motivated by illegal immigration going to the border and trying to stop people from entering this country.

[Ian Cross]

I think that a lot of right wing violence is unseen. You might call it like the banality of violence because it's like 136 school children in Iran getting killed with a drone.

[Tim Pool]

How is that right wing violence? That's the Hillary Clinton advocated for it the same. She's a Democrat.

[Ian Cross]

Well, she's pretty hardcore, I should say. What would you call it? The established order, which happens to be

[Tim Pool]

right wing Right has nothing to do with the manifestos, the espoused ideologies of the Republican versus Democratic parties. It is not meaningful to an American voter when trying to decide which party to vote for to say that there is a neoconservative neoliberal establishment that wants war. Well, the conservative, they'll all say we disagree.

[Ian Cross]

The general conservative would be like, look, close the borders and let everyone out outside starve. I don't care about them. They're not my problem. And you and the person on the left, that's violence. That's the passive banality of violence I brought up. When you're letting people die, actively hurt.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's go back to the conversation we were actually having about people motivated by an ideology to kill others. Okay. There's a big difference between saying, unfortunately, somewhere around the world people are dying, and Democrats saying, I'm going to get a gun and go shoot someone.

[Ian Cross]

I mean, it's acceptable. You could argue it's not violence at all. Letting other people die.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the definition of violence is an intentional act to cause damage to a person or a piece of property,

[Ian Cross]

corral people in an area, or when you take their food supply away, you're, you're, you're starving them.

[Tim Pool]

You're doing that.

[Phil Labonte]

You're doing.

[Tim Pool]

War is violence. Agreed. Both Democrats and Republicans agree with war, and we're all mad about it.

[Phil Labonte]

You're doing the same thing that Democrats all the time. They say that, you know, basically change the definition of a word. It's to make it argument. And violence is an actual thing with a specific definition. When you say, oh, we're not going to continue to send you food aid, that's not violence.

[Ian Cross]

Well, the CIA calls it violence.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't care what the CIA definition. I don't, I don't care what the word. No, pull up the, the dictionary.

[Myron Gaines]

Going back to the word. The whole thing with, you know, the left, violence or whatever, you know, you look at like BLM right after the George Floyd incident. Right. They can burn down Minneapolis. And did we see the same level of, you know, police presence and investigation on an unprecedented scale like January six? No. And I would say like for, for conservatives. The reason why, there's two main reasons why, like, conservatives are not as active politically from like a physical sense. Number one, a lot of them have jobs, have families, you know, they don't want to necessarily lose their jobs. They have things to do, a lot to lose. They tend to be a little bit older, more mature. And the other reason is because right wing groups have almost always been infiltrated by law enforcement at a significantly higher level than the left. You look at antifa, blm, etc, they've been able to operate with almost impunity. Look at the ICE raids. You know, they're arguing New Jersey law enforcement. Yeah. So it's like, you know they've been able to operate with a significant level of impunity compared to, to the right wing. And then again, I think it's almost ed get into their ideology because in order for us to progress, we must do anything by any means necessary. And that means violence for them.

[Tim Pool]

I mean it's very, very simple. Democrats say we need to shut. Right now you've got Baraka in Newark trying to shut down the ICE facility and you have far leftists attacking police horses and police engaging in violence. When Joe Biden was allowing millions to illegally enter the country, Republicans did not go out and riot and attack cops or do anything like this. The motivate the stated ideologies of each party. They are plainly visible. Conservatives don't get violent over these ideologies. There are fringe wacko elements of nationalism that exist on the right. Republicans condemn them on the left. They embrace them. That's the point.

[Ian Cross]

Well, it seems like there's a structure that the people, the conservative people want to maintain that's destroying and raping the planet. You could argue 40 trillion in debt, you'd be wrong. The people on the left want to break and destroy that structure. The people on the right are like, we just need to maintain the structure. So if we fight you, it all comes tumbling down. So we can't fight. But we, we know, I know that there's.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, can we just stop?

[Ian Cross]

Because this is what you're rolling.

[Tim Pool]

If you want to, if you have an actual argument, make an argument. But I feel about what exactly? Like the idea that Democrat donors aren't billionaires who run big corporations is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[Ian Cross]

That's not what I said though.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you said the Republicans want to maintain a system that rape and pillages the earth. The Democrats want to stop. That's not true.

[Ian Cross]

I didn't say Republicans. I said conservative people want to start the structure that they live within. The liberal. The people who want to change it will get more radically violent to affect change with it.

[Tim Pool]

And the changes they want to bring about are the same as what the status quo is. It's just a different power structure.

[Ian Cross]

Well, the people. The leftist revolutionary wants to break it. I've seen people like nihilists.

[Tim Pool]

You are incorrect.

[Ian Cross]

But the people, the conservative people want to maintain it.

[Tim Pool]

Right, so let me clarify for you. The leftists want to control it and the conservatives want to live in America under the existing power structures.

[Ian Cross]

Well, they all want to control it.

[Tim Pool]

Correct.

[Ian Cross]

I think that.

[Tim Pool]

So the motivations of the left is built around Destroying the traditional American system. And the conservatives is maintaining a traditional American system. Right.

[Ian Cross]

So it's hard.

[Tim Pool]

People at work supported me while I was going through treatment by not treating me like somebody who was going through treatment, treatment. Selling cancer sucks. Being engaged with work really helped to. Oh, I just knew I was going

[Myron Gaines]

to beat this thing.

[Ian Cross]

Research shows there is a significant connection

[Myron Gaines]

between the ability to continue to work and cancer recovery.

[Ian Cross]

We can make work a better place

[Tim Pool]

for healing, learn more, and sign the [e-mail] to fight against someone that wants to destroy.

[Ian Cross]

Like, how do you destroy? Like getting into a fight with your friend in your house and throwing him into your wall and breaking your mirrors. Like, like, who wins? Nobody wins if you're destroying your own house.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So your analogy is that there are two friends in a house and one guy says, this is my house, Please, I don't want to fight. And the other guy says, I'm gonna bash you with a frying pan.

[Ian Cross]

Pretty much.

[Tim Pool]

Right? And that's what the Democrats are doing. And the Republicans don't get violent.

[Ian Cross]

I don't know if it's a political party thing. It's more about a leftism and rightism mentality.

[Tim Pool]

It's not. The whole point is that both political parties have what's called a manifesto. They release these periodically where they explain the principal positions of the party. Over time, we have seen the Democratic Party adopt fringe far left elements, including socialist and communist practitioners. In fact, they've incorporated the Democratic socialists into the umbrella of the Democratic Party from the ideologies espoused from the top down from the political parties. The Republican ideology of we want secure borders. We want our manufacturing back. We do not see violence on the left. We want trans kids, we want open borders. We see explicit violence to those ends. That's the point I'm making. Now, of course, there are violent right wingers somewhere with some fringe ideology. There are violent left wingers out there with fringe ideology. I don't care if Rev com punches his wife, and I don't care if a white supremacist punches his wife. If you want to call either of those political violence, there's no bearing on what that means for the structure of institutional governance.

[Ian Cross]

You understand? What I'm trying to explain is, like, if you had. And you're like, listen, you two, stop fighting. Both of you stop fighting. Or I'm taking your food away. And the people are like, what? And you're like, okay, I'm taking your food away now. And then they start who if this is just the thing, you have two guys in a cage and you're feeding them, you decide one day I'm going to take your food. And then they start smashing the walls of the cage. You can see how taking their food away is a violent act.

[Tim Pool]

That is incorrect. Well violence is defined as an intentional action to cause damage to a person

[Ian Cross]

or property through physical force exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury. So if you take someone's food, that's a forceful act of causing injury.

[Tim Pool]

I think you're stretching the definition.

[Ian Cross]

But it's real. It's real. That's what the thing is going on in Gaza. I mean that's what they think the Israelis are doing to the Ian.

[Tim Pool]

The Democrats and Republicans agree on war and agree on supporting Israel. A bunch of pro Israel candidates just won their primaries in Illinois. We've covered this. There is no distinction in the political party. Would you agree with that political party wise at the top there's no distinction between their support for Israel.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, no, it's that they unequiv. Both sides support this and we are

[Tim Pool]

not seeing in the American Democrats are

[Myron Gaines]

trying to slow it down a little bit but they're still.

[Tim Pool]

Well that's the progressive element.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes, yes.

[Tim Pool]

Incorporated in it.

[Myron Gaines]

That is like the Maryland and stuff like that. Which I do predict that like that's going to be the new strategy for the left. But. Yeah, but basically in general I actually think the right Republicans both. Yeah. Love Israel. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The point is both political parties at the top will say something like Israel is our greatest ally.

[Myron Gaines]

Yep, Yep. Pass like 90% support.

[Ian Cross]

I did. That's what I did. Elaborate that it's not. I'm not talking about Republicans, Democrats as much you might be. I'm talking about leftism and rightism the way that you're will used to use it to. I mean you could argue that far leftists will use a military machine but they're more likely to break their own machine.

[Tim Pool]

Was Che Guevara a peace loving hippie?

[Ian Cross]

No, he was.

[Tim Pool]

He was a brutal murderer. And people like Hasan Piker, they love him. They've called for more violence than anyone on the right him. And they're not. They're not. They're not saying you're violent. Hasan is a multimillionaire. He lives in a mansion in California. He wears luxury designer clothes and chains as he goes to Cuba to talk about the plight of the poor communist victims. These people are not interested in fighting for justice. They're fighting for more money and power for themselves.

[Ian Cross]

The Flip side is the dude sitting back, smoking a cigar, laughing about what's happening on TV as kids are getting blown up by their own tax dollars.

[Myron Gaines]

I kind of see both your perspectives here. My thing is, I think what we're kind of saying is like within the left, you know, violence is a bit more caked into the, into the ideology because to progress you inevitably have to like change things. And to change things, violence might be a variable that's needed versus on the right wing. Right. You're there to conserve what you, what you have.

[Tim Pool]

I just, I just think that the right is composed of a. It's, you know, Curtis Yarvin said it the best, that Republicans treat power like a wine snob treats alcohol and Democrats treat power like an alcoholic treats alcohol or. Yeah, right. So Republicans say, well, you know, I, I find that to be just so appalling. I'm, I'm going to make a phone call and Democrats are like, I'm going to throw a Molotov cocktail at your house.

[Ian Cross]

You think Obama was like the last conservative Democrat?

[Tim Pool]

I think Obama was the, the, I think George W. Bush was the last American president. Well, technically Trump is, cuz he wrestled the power back. But Barack Obama represented a spike in the back of America as a country in terms of its traditions and values.

[Ian Cross]

It wasn't like that for the first seven months.

[Tim Pool]

Obama to me represents a fundamental shift in this country towards communism, like Marxism, cultural Marxism, critical race theory.

[Myron Gaines]

I agree. I've always said like, Obama kind of started like a lot of the cultural war problems we're fighting now. Gay marriage, you know, blm, all this stuff. Like he was the beginning of ushering that stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, I mean DACA is the greatest betrayal of this country in a long time in my opinions. And I want to be careful how we're seeing the problems in many betrayals, don't get me wrong. But the idea that the president could decree a law that allows non citizens to live here under some, like under a decree. And then when Donald Trump said this is, we reject this. And Donald Trump signed an executive order ending daca, the courts said he can't do that, which is fake. If the president can create an executive order saying do not enforce immigration law, the next president can say, start enforcing the law again. And the courts barred ICE from actually enforcing the law, which makes no sense. It's unconstitutional.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, I can tell you this because I worked for the government both under Obama and under Trump. And like, yeah, like under Obama. But whenever there's a Democrat in office, they Obviously really let their foot off the gas when it comes to immigration and they're almost like not interested in doing any type of interior enforcement. And then people say, oh well, you know what, Obama actually deported more people. Well, the reason for that is because more legal islands come into the country or to attempt to come in. Therefore they're apprehended and then they're immediately and then they're deported. That's where those deportation numbers come from. But the real immigration enforcement is within the cities in the interior. That's where the work really happens. And that's what Trump was trying to do before. Obviously they stopped everything. But yeah, let's.

[Tim Pool]

I want to talk about Chud the builder, but I do want to talk about. We'll get to that for sure because we got it. We got an update on his bail. I want to talk about this story first. We have some TMZ Rep. Anna Paulina Luna reveals to Jacob Wass that she was assaulted during the Capitol Hill protest. This is, this is shocking to me. So what I first want to do is show you what Rep. Luna said and then I'm going to show you the shocking assault video and I'm telling you, you, your jaw will hit the floor when you see what was done to this Rep.

Questioning Senator Rubio on Code Pink, which is a foreign funded organization and I've been going after FARA etc And so as I was leaving, they were asking questions. I don't have an issue asking questions, but when you are berating me, trying to block me from being able to come vote, it's an issue. But I continue to answer them. I was walking out of Rayburn and as we were trying to walk away from this, them, I guess they didn't like what I was saying. So one of the lead organizers actually smacked me. And so at that point I broke contact.

Can you like reenact how you were hit?

If just I was literally walking, trying to walk away from this person and they smacked me in what part of the body they smacked my arm smacked her.

Are you injured right now?

I mean, look, either which way it. You don't touch anyone, especially if you don't like what they're saying.

She was, she was smacked. She was smacked. It is shocking. And we have the explosive, explosive video right here showing the actual assault. My friends, when you see this, when you see this, my God.

[Myron Gaines]

Government keep the hospitals going to actually

[Tim Pool]

get aid to the people.

Because it doesn't sound like. Just wait.

[Myron Gaines]

No, just wait.

[Tim Pool]

Marco Rubio has been sanctioning the Cuban

[Ian Cross]

People, which is hurting them by the billions.

[Tim Pool]

That hurts the people there.

[Ian Cross]

They have no power.

[Tim Pool]

You are misinformed.

[Ian Cross]

It was like. I'm sorry.

[Tim Pool]

It doesn't matter. You just touch me, you're gonna walk away right now. Or else I'm call Capitol Police. Don't touch me.

I will walk away.

[Myron Gaines]

Bye.

[Ian Cross]

Bye. That's Medea Benjamin.

[Tim Pool]

You go. Wait, wait.

[Ian Cross]

Bam.

[Tim Pool]

She knows. My God. Did you see that? Did you see the queen? Can we get that again? Look at this. That crushing blow from. Is that Medea Benjamin?

[Ian Cross]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think it is.

[Ian Cross]

Are you sure? I think so. She's like the founder of.

[Tim Pool]

Look at that.

[Ian Cross]

Or one of them.

[Myron Gaines]

Left wing violence.

[Tim Pool]

My God. This antifa. Terror communist nearly shattered the arm of Rep. Luna. She's lucky to have survived this encounter. She was. Are you kidding me, dude? This is why I hate politics so much. And you know, we're working on setting up like a DC studio because we want to bring, you know, members of congress and have conversations, but. Are you kidding me? Am I supposed to pretend to support the Republican party over things like this? Replint is like, I was smacked. No, you weren't. She tapped your shoulder to get your attention. My God. I hate politics. I hate politicians. They're all nuts.

[Myron Gaines]

You got PTSD from the strip club when they would smack her back then,

[Tim Pool]

I guess, I guess. I mean, it's. It's. Well, she doesn't like me anyway because I called her out when she tried to. When she introduced remote voting for Congress because she was like, women have babies, therefore they don't have to come to work anymore. And I'm just like. I'm just. I'm so done with this dude.

[Myron Gaines]

Why are women voting?

[Tim Pool]

Why are what?

[Myron Gaines]

Why are women voting? I'm just kidding.

[Tim Pool]

Why aren't they?

[Myron Gaines]

Say, why are they.

[Tim Pool]

She was fighting on Democrats because, like we said, babies, therefore we should have to come into work. And I'm like, then resign.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This is insane. Opening the door to remote voting. So she doesn't like me anyway. But good. I mean, clearly she's a. She is a person of. Of.

[Phil Labonte]

Of.

[Tim Pool]

Of bad moral.

[Ian Cross]

The way I'm. I'm doubling. I think that is Madea Benjamin.

[Tim Pool]

I'm almost.

[Ian Cross]

I'm 100% positive. 99.999998 she's great. I've followed her work for 15, 20 years. She was very anti war early on. I still think she probably complains about things that she doesn't have solutions for. So I'd like to debate her and get her head straight if I can. There she is again on the left. Code Pink, Madea Benjamin.

[Tim Pool]

Great.

[Ian Cross]

She'd be a great guest someday. And what she did there was like, what you would do with a friend while you're talking about football or something. You're like, bro. And then you tap him on the shoulder. She obviously. And she knew immediately that legally she

[Tim Pool]

probably did step over. This is. You know what I can't stand. Like, I'm watching these jubilee debates, you know, like, Dave Rubin just did one and it's gone viral.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm not gonna say this of Dave's. I don't watch the full thing. I just watched clips. But there are these conservatives that live in the world in a tribal reality where it's like, I must defend side no matter what. Democrats do this, too.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so you watch. I saw this video and I was like, is she insane? The woman tapped her arm to get her attention because she was having a conversation with her and then said, don't touch me or call the police. And what's going to happen now? They're going to use this. They're going to go to young people and say, look at what Republicans are doing. They lie about violence. They lie about the assault. And what they're going to say is, you know how Republicans are always claiming the left is violent. Look at this video of Rep. Luna. This is what they claim. Violence is getting a tap on the arm. And then people are going to be like, wow, they're lying about everything.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a good.

[Ian Cross]

It's important combo, because it is. It's not sustainable to reach out and touch politicians on the arm while you're walking with them.

[Tim Pool]

Come on.

[Ian Cross]

If somebody gets 50 people in a course of seven minutes coming up and touching them, that's a big problem.

[Tim Pool]

So it's different.

[Ian Cross]

It scales out of hand. So I get it that you're not supposed to, but she could have said it in a better way than I got assaulted or attacked.

[Tim Pool]

Smacked. She didn't say. It's called she smacked.

[Ian Cross]

She said she put her hand on me and it wasn't cool. You're not supposed to do that. And she knew and she stood back. So, like, no drama.

[Phil Labonte]

She touched me. That's it.

[Ian Cross]

Medea knew she isn't supposed to be

[Tim Pool]

reaching out and touching politicians.

[Ian Cross]

She's recoiling.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I'm sorry, are you joking?

[Ian Cross]

I think she knows you're not really technically supposed to reach out and touch someone on Capitol Hill while they're.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Like, there's a difference between touching someone with intent to cause harm and in the course of a conversation, tapping someone.

[Ian Cross]

For sure, if she intended harm, she'd be arrested right now.

[Phil Labonte]

Now.

[Ian Cross]

But she.

[Tim Pool]

For. For Rep. Luna to say she was smacked is a lie. That that elderly woman tapped her arm during a conversation.

[Ian Cross]

Luna. Maybe she was swinging her arm back kind of hard when.

[Phil Labonte]

When you saw the video.

[Ian Cross]

Benjamin tapped her.

[Tim Pool]

Just watched the video.

[Ian Cross]

Smacky. I couldn't tell because her. Her clothing was draping. I'm not saying this happened.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just trying to see.

[Phil Labonte]

Because her clothing was draping.

[Ian Cross]

Second.

[Tim Pool]

So. So, like, how are we supposed to win a culture war with things like this?

[Phil Labonte]

It's. It's exhausting. And it. It does make, you know, it makes Luna seem. You know, I have.

[Tim Pool]

I have a solution for Myron.

[Myron Gaines]

What is it?

[Tim Pool]

No women allowed to hold office anymore.

[Myron Gaines]

Dude, I've been saying that. Welcome to my world. Repeal the 19th. Get him out of there. No more power for them. Only men. Put them back in the kitchen. This is all kitchen.

[Tim Pool]

Like, the problem, you know, the problem is actually women. The problem is not women. There are some base women, for sure. The problem is, we also have low T guys, and low T guys are deferential in a lot of ways, and they lie.

[Myron Gaines]

They're almost worse, dude. They're almost worse. In some ways.

[Ian Cross]

They're so amazing that I want the world to know. And so, like, Hillary Bill really elevated Hillary Clinton to power.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but that's because it's fake Bill. And I'd be willing to bet a large amount of money those people hate each other.

[Ian Cross]

Billion Hill.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, like these. These. These couple. Like, I. I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money that, like, Barack and Michelle don't like each other either.

[Ian Cross]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe. Like, I. I would say. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I don't want to be too overtly biased. I would just say that a lot of these relationships are orchestrated for political purposes.

[Myron Gaines]

Absolutely.

[Ian Cross]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I believe the one thing I'll give

[Myron Gaines]

a pass being merit is huge for your political career.

[Tim Pool]

Of course. Like. Like, Tim Scott got married and everybody called it. Everyone's like, he's gay. And he's like, I'm getting married because he wanted to be vp. Now, the thing about Trump is that he's. He's been with Melania a lot longer than he was running for office, and he was. He's doing, like. The reason Donald Trump married her is because she's a Hot Eastern European model. You know what I mean?

[Ian Cross]

Like, smart, too. She knows a bunch of languages.

[Tim Pool]

It's true. She's very intelligent. But not every marriage is for political purposes. But I think Bill and Hillary was.

[Ian Cross]

I think so. They were both politically ambitious in college. I mean, they met in college.

[Tim Pool]

And I think the issue was that Hillary knew she could not have executive power as a woman. So she was like, we need to work together. You're gonna run. And then that's why she ran for Senate. She got a State Department job, and then she tried being president because it was her turn. And Trump took it away from her.

[Ian Cross]

There's a phenomena where the guy gets obsessed with his wife, loves his wife, sees the power in his wife and wants to elevate the woman to a position of social authority. But then she gets there and it's like. Like, you're just not. No offense, you're just a woman. Like, you're just.

[Tim Pool]

Just a guy.

[Myron Gaines]

Sounds right.

[Tim Pool]

That was substantially more brutal than anything Myron said. I say you're just.

[Ian Cross]

When I was diagnosed, all I wanted

[Tim Pool]

to do was get back to work.

[Myron Gaines]

I wanted to get back to that trajectory that I was on prior to the cancer.

[Tim Pool]

I always felt like I had value.

[Myron Gaines]

I had a place on the team.

[Tim Pool]

To just be treated with dignity. It means everything.

[Ian Cross]

Research shows there is a significant connection

[Myron Gaines]

between the ability to continue to work and cancer recovery.

[Ian Cross]

We can make work a better place

[Phil Labonte]

for healing, learn more, and sign the [e-mail] Elle.

[Tim Pool]

It's not about, like, sex or whatever.

[Ian Cross]

You're just another random dude that happens to be female.

[Tim Pool]

But hold on, I gotta throw this in there because I'm imagining, like, Myron debating Kyla or something. And. And you say something like, women do this and they behave this way. And because of this, I think this. And she'll be like, yes, women may behave that way, but also, women can do this. And then Ian goes, you're just a woman.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Yeah. This is why you guys deserve less, you know?

[Tim Pool]

So it's just like the insinuation from that statement is a complete stripping of all.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, he's arguing key points. They're not good at you just flat.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, you're a female. Done.

[Ian Cross]

I've been with. With girls where I became so in love with them that I wanted the see them, but they weren't that great. To the rest of the world.

[Tim Pool]

Just to me, we call that cucking. Did you guys see the Jerry OConnell clip?

[Myron Gaines]

The.

[Tim Pool]

Which. Which clip? The Jerry Oconnell. Clip from Jamie Kennedy's show.

[Ian Cross]

I didn't.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, bro. He's like, pull it up if you want. He's like, let me. Yeah, let me see if I can get this one. It was from Call Me a. I think I got it right here, actually. Yeah, Actually, I think this deserves its own segment. So let me. Let me. Let me. Give me, give me, give me a little bit, and we'll wrap up this point. Point, like, right before.

[Ian Cross]

That's pretty much it. That sometimes inadvertently, guys will put their woman into positions of authority where because they love them so much, but the rest of the world's like, why is it this?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, I. I assume that's true, but in. In the case of Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, I don't think that's.

[Ian Cross]

That was the case.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that Hillary Clinton had her own ambition. She was an extremely ambitious woman. Or is. So. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it was just Bill being like, let me show off my girlfriend.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think Bill. I mean, come on. Like, Bill was probably banging a bunch of people on Epstein island, you know, I mean, like, he didn't care about Hillary.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He was just like, women.

[Ian Cross]

Oh, stoner with a law degree. Did you pull up that? Yeah, yeah, let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab. We got this clip from Jamie Kennedy's show which is. Which has taken off like, what is this? It's got millions. 2.2 million views. Jerry O' Connell went on Bill Maher and said that his wife beats him whenever he says anything pro Trump. And so now he's being called a cuck. And he makes some very vital mistakes. In this interview, he actually asks Jamie, as a joke, to come and bang his wife. The problem is someone's going to clip it out of context where he literally says, please come, you know? Well, you were scared to come on this pod.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Yeah, I was. I said I wasn't going to do it because I said I'd never give up. I said I was never doing podcasts again. For those who don't know, I was on Bill Maher and I. A couple things. I talked about my family.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't lip it.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I talked about my wife, and I talked about their reactions politically. You know, I shouldn't have done that.

[Tim Pool]

What you did was you said that if you said something positive about Trumpy.

[Jerry O'Connell]

No, no, I never said that.

[Tim Pool]

But you said something. Never said that you were gonna get beat.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I never said.

[Tim Pool]

And I never said.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I never said anything positive about Trump.

[Tim Pool]

I never said no, but you said. If you said. Well, he did one thing.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Anyway, I'm going to tell you what happened.

[Tim Pool]

Tell me.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Maga.

[Tim Pool]

The. The.

[Jerry O'Connell]

The force known as maga, which is abbreviated for Make America great again.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Ian Cross]

Really.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Came after my wife and children in comments.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Myron Gaines]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you said that they basically beat you up.

[Jerry O'Connell]

They did not. I take that back. I fully take that back. I was making a joke maga. They, for some reason, in my comments, call me a F word cuck. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

An F word.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Okay. And you're not gonna say the F word here. I know you said the P word, but an F word cuck. And I don't mean a cuck. I mean the other F word.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Oh, rhymes with don't even say it. Okay, so that's what they call me. So let me just tell all the MAGA people who've been in my comments and my wife's comments. By the way, my wife never goes on social media. She now gets, like, all these notifications from people saying, your husband is an F word cuck.

[Tim Pool]

You got the hottest wife.

[Jerry O'Connell]

They also, like, call you an F. They love mentioning that. I probably like to watch my wife's ex having relations with her.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, that's what.

[Jerry O'Connell]

By the way, Jamie, you've known me longer than anyone in Hollywood would did. Well, have you ever known me as someone who likes to watch. Would like to watch my wife having sex with another man?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Do you think I would ever call you and say, jamie, would you come over and have sex with Rebecca Romaine so I can sit in this chair in the corner and watch you guys have sex? Do you think that would ever come out of my mouth?

[Tim Pool]

No. Just did. And now I guarantee you people are going to clip that.

[Ian Cross]

This is.

[Tim Pool]

And it's just going to be him saying, jamie, would you come over to my house to bang Rebecca so I can sit in this chair and watch

[Jerry O'Connell]

on this show say, how attractive I find Skeet Ulrich?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, you have.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Do you think I would ever call Skeet and say, skeet, do me a. Do me a. Do me a solid and come over and have sex with my wife so I can watch you guys?

[Tim Pool]

Debatable.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Would you say I'm an F word cuck?

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Jerry O'Connell]

So stop writing that in my comments and my wife's comments and by the way, my daughters are findable on.

[Tim Pool]

There's no way. He doesn't know what he's doing. I think his publicist said, this is going to get you famous.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's going to boost your Q rating. Everyone's going to be talking about it. There's, like, in your circles, in progressive Hollywood, nobody likes maga. Go for it.

[Myron Gaines]

A little interesting. Go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

No, I just. There's going to be clips of him going around begging men to bang his wife.

[Myron Gaines]

Little interesting Easter egg in there, if the story is real, but it does align with reality. Anyway, notice how, like, the fight kind of started just because he maybe insinuated one good thing about Trump. Trump. That's, like, what I noticed about people, you know, you better not say anything good about Trump ever. And it's like, dude, like, I can concede when Democrats do good things. Like, I can say, like, oh, well, I agree with this. Even though overall, I don't agree with that. Like, I can give a Democrat a, you know, a. A compliment. But it's like, for them on that side, it's like, if you even say anything about Donald Trump. Yeah, that's positive. They're like, no, we're gonna shun you. Oh, it's like Trump derangement syndrome on a whole other level.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I think he's lying, too, probably, but. Well, because, like, if you go to his Instagram, he's got 640k followers. But, like, I pull up one of his latest posts, it's got, like, 100 comments. And it's just his fans, they're like, we love you, Jerry. You're great. And I'm, like, scrolling through it. I don't see anybody calling him a cuck or anything like that.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, he's been editing his thing.

[Ian Cross]

But, Jerry.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think. I think what happened was after the Bill Maher thing exploded and it went massively viral, they probably saw in social media, like, your name has popped up in, like, 7 million searches since that podcast. Why? Like, like, because your wife beats you. And they were like, this is good for you. It's name recognition. So I. He probably. They were probably. They probably set this up. Go on a podcast, revel in it. Say two big quotes, bro. I'm. I'm willing to bet his PR guy was like, you need to say in some context, jamie, will you please come to my house and bang Rebecca? That way people can make clips go viral. And you can always say, I was. That was out of context.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Well, it is funny, by the way. And I think it was a bit. I think it was very good.

[Ian Cross]

He seemed like he was enjoying it. It does seem like.

[Tim Pool]

Right. He says it twice and, like, he knows what he's doing.

[Ian Cross]

It's part of why he's a Good actor is cuz his brain thinks like that or it's intentional and he's doing it for click.

[Tim Pool]

What's a repair person like?

[Phil Labonte]

Repair?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. No, no, no. It's another. Another. No, no, no, no, no. Listen to this.

[Phil Labonte]

Like a handyman.

[Tim Pool]

You're not push.

[Jerry O'Connell]

He kept calling me a woke. P word.

[Tim Pool]

Are you woke?

[Jerry O'Connell]

If by woke you mean I'm like a progressive Californian. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I'm woke. I guess I'm woke if I'm woke. If I call someone a repair person.

[Tim Pool]

But you're not really doing that.

[Myron Gaines]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Are you really doing that?

[Myron Gaines]

I really do.

[Phil Labonte]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Saying the word repair person.

[Ian Cross]

I said it.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I'm honestly.

[Tim Pool]

Are you doing that to look okay with Calabasas? Who, by the way, I think there's probably not. Let's vote people out there. Are you doing that to look good? The casting directors or you actually believe that? What does that mean?

[Phil Labonte]

Directors?

[Tim Pool]

There's. Yeah.

[Ian Cross]

He called you.

[Tim Pool]

Is that like Gen Z slang? That. I don't know.

[Ian Cross]

Repair person is like. Instead of a repair man, they're saying repair.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh. Oh my God. Dude. Wow.

[Tim Pool]

I was like, is this a word for someone who was otherly able is now regularly abled?

[Ian Cross]

You can see that Jerry's like, oh, actually you called me on it.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not.

[Ian Cross]

I don't really think like that. But yes, I'm doing it for incredible.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, dude, we didn't even catch it because we're like, what? And it's just. But it's like. Yeah, in la, it's like they're so sensitive to like that.

[Tim Pool]

That a repair person.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you mean.

[Myron Gaines]

I guess saying a repair man would be sexist, right?

[Ian Cross]

To a sumptery.

[Tim Pool]

Dude.

[Phil Labonte]

Fire.

[Tim Pool]

I think we should Let me know. Repair anything like, you know, you know, you know. No, no, no, no, no, no. I think we should just make it as vulgar as possible. Like a repair dick and a repair puss. Just make. Just go straight for it.

[Ian Cross]

I can't because we're on.

[Tim Pool]

Because I was. There was another word I was going to use but, you know, inappropriate. Except for the after show. My point is just like, guys, I don't care if you're offended. Shut up.

[Ian Cross]

Me neither. This comes back to the whole free speech thing. Really? Free speech is about what's your intention? Are you intending to offend them or not?

[Tim Pool]

That's what cares.

[Ian Cross]

But if someone else gets to determine what they think your intention was, if

[Tim Pool]

they get to choose.

[Ian Cross]

Well, I was offended. Therefore what you said is a problem. That's Kind of antithetical to the United States Constitution.

[Tim Pool]

I can't control if you're offended by words. So I don't like the fact that

[Myron Gaines]

we didn't even catch on in the beginning. Like, repairman versus repair person, blah, blah, blah. Just goes to show, like, how crazy we are in society, where it's like, they're paying so much attention to, like, little phrases like that.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't understand what that word phrase meant. I was like, what is.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, no, I was with you. I thought it was, like, some weird insider term, but it's like, no. It's like, literally, you got to say, repair a person. I repair a man. Yeah, but women, let's be honest. No, women don't repair anything. When's the last time you seen a female plumber? I'll wait.

[Tim Pool]

Like.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, come on. No fix anything, dude.

[Ian Cross]

Never seen a female plumber.

[Tim Pool]

I've seen female cops let criminals go.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Now, funny story for you. We. Speaking of female plumber, we had a girl come on our show, and she went to plumbing school, and there's. There's a test. There's a test where you have to, like, have a certain level of strength to be able to, like, pull a wrench or something like that, and she failed, and they still passed her because she was a woman.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think. I think it's an important thing to understand is that the highest grip strength among women is below average for men. This is an important. Like, this. This is scientific. I'm not trying to disparage women. There is a graph of age and grip strength by age. The strongest women are below the average male grip strength for every age demographic.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, yeah. I mean. I mean, I tell women.

[Tim Pool]

This is why guys open pickle jars.

[Myron Gaines]

I tell women all the time that come on the show. I was like, look, dude, like, you do realize, like, a teenage boy can beat you up, right? Like, you do realize that. And because some girls are, like, ghetto, and they think that they can fight.

[Tim Pool]

You see the video where it's like, three marine women versus three scrawny, weak men?

[Myron Gaines]

No, I didn't see that.

[Tim Pool]

No, I. I did. I did, like, a reaction to it and got a bunch of views. It was. There's.

[Myron Gaines]

Is it quick? You want to play it now, or.

[Tim Pool]

Let me see if I can find it.

[Myron Gaines]

Find it.

[Ian Cross]

I wonder if that's why throwing. Why guys are. They say, oh, you throw like a girl because it's the grip of the ball. Like, you're gripping it so hard, it's upper body strength.

[Tim Pool]

He made a Bunch of these. He just keeps doing it because he's getting a million views from doing it probably. Oh, Jerry, it's. No, no, no. It's Austin Alexander. Military women versus skinny Joes. Who's stronger? Who do you think's going to win the. The, the military women.

[Myron Gaines]

See this?

[Tim Pool]

The military men or the regular guys? Any, any, any predictions after the intro?

[Ian Cross]

I think it's going to be the guys. Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

But I think the women might win some.

[Tim Pool]

Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze.

[Ian Cross]

It's literally just Charlie for some reason.

[Tim Pool]

Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze. Huh? 120 pounds.

[Myron Gaines]

Good squeeze, Charlie. So far the guy's total is 394.4 pounds. Yalls total is 227 point. These are women that work out.

[Tim Pool]

These are, these are military.

[Myron Gaines]

These are military women. You can see like, you can tell that they're developed too. Like, yeah, these chicks work out. Like, look at their shoulders.

[Tim Pool]

She ain't gonna do it.

[Myron Gaines]

Come on, Seth. Squeeze as hard as you can.

[Tim Pool]

Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze.

Damn.

143 pounds.

[Myron Gaines]

Skinny Joe's take it for the championship.

[Tim Pool]

The Skinny Joes were just like guys who don't even work out.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Now here's the thing. Why are women offended by the idea that men are stronger than like what happened in society where there are women who are offended at the idea that men are stronger for 50,000 years, unless you're Christian, 5,000 women are just like, men are stronger than this, I think. And guys were like, we're stronger than women. And now all of a sudden in modern society, women are like, I'm as strong as a man.

[Phil Labonte]

If I just exercise just feminist feminism. Lying to him for 30 years.

[Myron Gaines]

That's, that's a big part of it. I would say it's because like we've civilized the world so much where it's like women can like literally like just sit in air conditioned rooms and have a job. And like they don't really understand how like the world works. So like it's just like, it's just nativity, bro. Is naive.

[Tim Pool]

Like one of the worst things ever. There was an art. They do this periodically, these news publications because they're run by women. They were like, new data finds that. What was it? What was it the story? I should do. I should do a bigger segment on this. It said that the temperature in offices is a relic of the 1970s before women came into the workplace. And everyone just tolerates it because that's the way it's always been. And I'm like, that Was written by a woman because that's not correct. Men like men. There was. There's an image included where it showed the natural body heat, and the guy is 10 degrees hotter than the woman. Like, literally, muscles produce more heat, and so men die faster in the wilderness than women do for.

[Phil Labonte]

And.

[Tim Pool]

And it's also less body fit. The reason why it's colder in offices is because men feel hot and they can't take off their clothes. And then you get these feminists who are like, we should turn the heat up. It's not fair that it's cold. Men are doing this, and it's sexist. And it's like, okay, let's do a compromise. Guys can get naked because they don't want to walk around in 72 degrees. Or you could put a sweater on. What do you want to do? Shirtless guys walking around in boxers with fans on.

[Ian Cross]

I say control the temperature. Control the world.

[Tim Pool]

I say women can put a sweater on. I can't take my clothes off. Just put your sweater on and shut up.

[Ian Cross]

Working recreates a lot of heat if it's just your brain. Even if I'm just playing guitar my whole room, I start to sweat.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I'm like.

[Ian Cross]

It was like I was shivering when I walked into this room, and I'm sweating now, and that's after like, 20 minutes or 30 minutes sometimes if it's an intense. Because if you're clenching, if all your muscles are clenching while you're making the noise, then this is what I'm talking about.

[Tim Pool]

Thermostat in your office may be sexist. Scientists urge updating office temps for women and seniors. No space eaters.

[Phil Labonte]

Wear a sweater.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, always wear a sweater. Look, I'm wearing a freaking jacket right now because Tim likes it cold in here.

[Phil Labonte]

No one wants to see your.

[Tim Pool]

It's not that I like it cold in here.

[Ian Cross]

We have to run it cold. Actually.

[Tim Pool]

The computers, the lights, the cameras. The cameras over here.

[Ian Cross]

Heat, and you're wearing a beanie.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the issue. It's 64 degrees outside Arizona.

[Ian Cross]

I know.

[Tim Pool]

And the air conditioning's on because in this room, the cameras overheat.

[Ian Cross]

That is true. We experienced it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And like, it happened on IRLX a few months ago. The camera just shut off because it got too hot.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Sony's are notorious. I use the same cameras they're notorious for.

[Tim Pool]

So I once had to take. I have this little fan down here, and we had to put it up on the power rack and place it over the camera to stop from overheating.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. I got the same ones. Sony's are notorious.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. But we also have the computers. They generate a lot of heat. So that. So even if it's 30 degrees outside, like it's a dead winter, this room starts getting really hot from the lights in the, in the computers. So in the winter the AC is running.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, every day, literally.

[Tim Pool]

Although it might be easier just to get like a vent to the outside in the winter, but, you know, that's. That's it. Let's talk about Chud the builder. Because. Because Myron's here.

[Phil Labonte]

Poor Chuck.

[Tim Pool]

We got this from WKRN. Bond remains at $1 million for Chud the builder shooting case in Montgomery County. Dalton Earthly the online streamer. The builder appeared in Clarksville courtroom at a bond hearing Wednesday afternoon. He was scheduled for 915 appearance in Davidson County General Sessions Court before Judge Melissa Blackburn, but he did not appear. A transport for earthly was reportedly arranged from Clarksville.

[Ian Cross]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Tim Pool]

He's charged with. What is it? He was charged with three misdemeanors for theft, resisting arrest. Was that what that was for? They're. They're holding him over that. Not the attempted murder.

[Myron Gaines]

I think that was what was another case.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm saying, is that what they're. They're keeping him for? I maintain my position. Chud the builder is going to get locked up forever.

[Myron Gaines]

You think so?

[Tim Pool]

This is a big test right now in the culture war. The strength of woke currently. Right, Right. Derek Chauvin was unjustly put in prison.

[Myron Gaines]

Agreed.

[Tim Pool]

They tried to murder him. Needs a pardon and no, he does not. You don't think so the reason why he's. He's been federally charged to protect him. If he is put in a Minnesota state jail, they'll murder him.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, you mean in that. I mean I meant complete pardon. I meant like. Yeah, you're going into the technicality of like. Yeah. If he goes in state prison will be a problem.

[Tim Pool]

People have been asking Trump to pardon Derek Chauvin and prominence Senate person out.

[Myron Gaines]

You need the governor and the president to do it. Yeah. You need the president and the governor. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Federal charges are to keep from being murdered in state prison.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, I see your point. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But yeah, see, so in, in the case of Chauvin, he showed up and

[Myron Gaines]

the federal case only really worked because the state case worked because they got him on like color of rights law.

[Tim Pool]

Like I think the federal case only exists to keep him from being murdered.

[Myron Gaines]

You can make that argument. But I'm Saying, like, I think federal case got more teeth because the state case won because they, like, it was deprivation of color of rights. So, like, that's what they perhaps.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think the federal charges wouldn't exist unless there was an attempt to keep him from being murdered. Like. Like the government can just convict you and make up.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, you can make that argument.

[Tim Pool]

So Chauvin shows up after the fact. Floyd was already resisting arrest, was already chewing a speedball, had already committed a crime. Chauvin shows up. Indeed. Chauvin shows up. He's already on the ground. So he has no idea what's going on. And then he decides, I'm going to use a restraint that I was trained to use, that the prosecution acknowledged he was trained to use. And by all means, you can be upset at the training and how it was done, but the fact they put the Asian cop in prison for the rest of his life for simply standing there holding his hands up for the crowd shows it's all fake. Now here's the point.

[Myron Gaines]

He got hit federally too.

[Tim Pool]

All of them did.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. All of them.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Now we're in the case of Chud the Builder. And I think it's easy to say Chud has a history of antagonizing people, walking up to black dudes, acting up, but they don't result in shootings or like hardcore beatdowns. The issue is in the initial case with Chud the Builder. And this is gonna. This is a. This whole case is a big question about the current strength of woke and where we're as a country. The.

[Phil Labonte]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The argument made in the initial story was that he was leaving. Was. He was leaving court armed. Some guy had words. He had words with the guy. A fight breaks out, Chud shoots him. My initial reaction is attempted murder is ridiculous. Like if a fight breaks out. The idea that Chud intentionally approached us for the purpose of killing a guy is ridiculous. Maybe you get him on some like, reckless discharge or negligence or something like this, or, you know, assault with a deadly weapon, maybe. But murder is attempted murder is insane plane. The implication there is that Chud walked to the sky believing, I am going to kill this man. Now here's the important thing. New information has since come out that indicates Chud was actually attempting to disengage from the guy before the guy jumped up and hit him, which creates a. Again, we don't have. Not all the evidence has been released,

[Myron Gaines]

but quickly go through the fact. Yeah. So here's the fact pattern. Basically, he was there for. For a civil case, there and the other guy, Josh Fox, was there.

[Tim Pool]

It was a criminal case, wasn't it,

[Myron Gaines]

over the Civil War? Civil for. For chud. He was there for a civil reason. I think it was like some debt or something like that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that was criminal. CHUD didn't pay a bill and they charged him with theft. It was a criminal case.

[Myron Gaines]

I think it was a civil case, but that's. That's neither here nor there.

[Tim Pool]

He was theft. Theft. A misdemeanor charge of theft under $1,000

[Myron Gaines]

wasn't there for that case. He was there for another case that was civil before that with. Oh, all right. But he did have a criminal case at the same time a couple days prior. Yes, you are correct about that. But why he was there in that particular day was for a civil case, from what I understand. But either way, neither here nor there. There he's there, he's in a suit, etc. He's streaming. He walks by the. He sees that the. This guy named Josh Fox, or AKA Josh Will Love on Facebook, points and, you know, they laugh. He walks over and says, hey, how you guys doing? You like my suit? They're like, hey, get the F out of here. Whatever it may be. He's like, okay. It's important to know that he was streaming at the whole time on a website called Pump or Pump Fun, whatever, maybe some streaming service that does crypto.

[Ian Cross]

Pump Fun, I think.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, that's what it was. And I say that because it's going to come relevant later. And then the guy says, get out of here. He walks away. As he walks away, the guy engages with him and something to the extent of, I have ptsd. If you say the N word to me or you say chimping out, we're have problems, blah, blah. He gets in chud's face, says it, and then Chad is like, or what? You're gonna chip out? And then the guy strikes him. Right. So he closed distance to him. Now, in the complaint, the criminal complaint that investigator wrote, apparently he took a bladed stance like this as the guy was coming towards him. Him to, you know. Yeah, to. And they're trying to say, like, well, he didn't pull out the weapon, but he, like, was, I guess, reaching in his jacket or whatever, which, you know, Tennessee, for those. Just to say it is a stand your ground state. So you have no duty to retreat, which is important to know. So he comes up, punches him, the camera falls, and you don't see anything from there. You just hear gunshots after. Now, the investigator, when they had this Bond hearing about two weeks ago or a week and a half ago. And they show the footage as well in the, in the courtroom. And this is how I know my. The fact pattern here I'm saying is correct is because multiple people out the courtroom told me that I was correct. The investigator admitted that the shots were fired as they were going down. Now anyone that understands like firearms and self defense in general, getting in a street fight, going to the ground is the worst thing you could do, especially if you're armed. So there was also some talk about him potentially being in a headlock, which kind of makes sense because I was wondering, how did he shoot himself? Because if you guys look, he has a mark on his shooting.

[Tim Pool]

Like this.

[Myron Gaines]

Exactly. Yeah, he has a mark on his left hand side, which is indicative of like you're. If you're in headlock in your right

[Tim Pool]

hand gone over his arm.

[Myron Gaines]

Exactly, exactly. So that makes sense. And that's his defense attorney is the one that said that he wasn't a headlock. And then the investigator is the one that said as they were going to the ground, that's when the shots were fired. So with that fact pattern, I'm like, okay, well the guy closed the distance on him. It's a stand your ground state. He made some comments. I have ptsd. You say that stuff around me. You can infer ptsd. Veteran. Well, you're in the military. You're trained to kill people. All of these different factors come into play when it comes to self defense. And I think the most important thing here, because a lot of people is very an emotionally charged case. And I've gotten so many debates about this. It's not about do you like CHUD or 2020 hindsight? It's about, did CHUD act reasonably given the facts and circumstances at the moment he pulled the trigger? I would argue as a good case, I disagree. Okay, why?

[Tim Pool]

So this case is about can a white man who shot a black man avoid jail time?

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, okay. I'm talking about from a legal perspective, if we want to talk about it culturally, how it's going to actually play out.

[Tim Pool]

Do the left just says, well, he's white. Go go to jail. Like Derek Ch is like, he's a white guy with the, with Trayvon Martin. Let me say Zimmerman's a white guy. He's like, well, he's not. He's just bad. No, no, no, no.

[Myron Gaines]

Zimmerman got off though. And, and Zimmerman got off even though he didn't. Trayvon Martin didn't have a weapon. So if you can articulate that, you know, you're in fear of your life.

[Tim Pool]

A photo of Zimmerman with blood all over his face.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, that. That plays into it, but that plays into woke.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't happen until 10 years after Trayvon Martin. Trayvon Martin was the beginning of Black Lives Matter.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes, I agree.

[Tim Pool]

So this guy. But no, but factually, is that.

[Myron Gaines]

That's the protest movement.

[Tim Pool]

Black Lives Matter started after the killing of Trevor Mark.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah. Like, and. And that's when. That's when we started to see. And that's what I was going to say. This is when we started to see politically charged prosecutions where, like, the state in the federal system is completely different. As a guy that came from the federal system, I could tell you guys and AUSA is not bringing charges unless they know that they can, like, you know, win in court. Like, by the time you're testifying, a grand jury to get a grand jury indictment, you're prepared for trial. The feds are very buttoned up when it comes to their criminal cases, but when it comes to the state, they're not as, like, you know, tight and refined. Now, when it comes to political charges, cases like this, where you got, like, you know, a white and a black person, and it's, you know, very divisive. The state typically errors on the side. Let's charge it. Let's bring it to a grand jury, let them decide if they do get a true bill.

[Ian Cross]

Cool.

[Myron Gaines]

We'll take it to trial. If we lose, at least we can say we tried. Because after the George Floyd situation, they don't want to see their cities lit up on fire, you know, or a race war because of it. So they look at it like, like, charge. Let the. Let the grand jury and the people decide.

[Ian Cross]

So in this situation, if this dude came up, like, the fact patterns you were eliciting there comes up to Chud, who, by the way, Chud, get your real name out there and shave your mustache because you look like one of those boxers from 1920 with the fighting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ian Cross]

So this guy comes up to him, he's like, look, I got pstsd. You say chimping out to me one more time and I'm gonna go nuts on you. And then Chud says it again.

[Myron Gaines]

He says, oh, yeah, he's. Then he said, or what? You're gonna chip out?

[Ian Cross]

And then he says, or what you're gonna do to do the thing that you said not to do? And he does it. Does that not like, not stand your ground? Isn't that more like he's aggressing back at the guy by saying the word. The guy just told him, not one more time. Or you say, if you say chimping out to me then I'll. The guy from what Myron just said, he basically came up again, I'm going to attack or do whatever. And then Charlie Builder says it again.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, he said, he said, or what? You're going to xyz. So like, and, and you know, some people made some arguments like oh well those are fighting words. No, that's, there's no this not fighting words. Even the N word in of itself. Like it needs to be put in a way where it's like you know, an imminent force or, or you have

[Tim Pool]

to enforce it with the intent.

[Myron Gaines]

Exactly right. So like eminent forces where force is imminent. Excuse me.

[Tim Pool]

There, there was a video where there's this guy like tabling at a university, whatever, and some dude walks up and says, you called someone the N word. He's like, I did not. And then the young conservative explains he was talking about how people use the N word and he said it and the guy starts swinging and punching at him. That's not provocation. Yeah, provocation would be if you walk up to someone and call them the N word. Now you're, you're in shaky grounds for self defense.

[Myron Gaines]

So yeah, I mean typically the person that closes the distance is the aggressor in most, in most standard ground and, or self defense situations. But in this, in this thing, I think, you know, again, let me be clear about this. Am I a fan of nuisance streamers? Whatever. Yeah, they could be entertaining and everything else like that. But like when it comes to this case, I'm looking strictly at the facts. Facts. Like I think he has a strong self defense case. I see your perspective where it's like

[Tim Pool]

you get locked up, bro.

[Myron Gaines]

You're saying like look, regardless of the facts of the case, you're looking at it like hey, it's politically motivated. There's he's going to get convicted or whatever. This is where the attorney's got to be good. His defense attorney had a whole discussion with this about, with Andrew Branca, the defense attorney. His defense attorneys got to work to ensure that very little from like chud's streaming stuff comes in and that it's objective based on a fact that are occurred on that day. Now with that said, is some of it going to come in? Yes. But if it does come in, Joshua Love stuff is also going to come in because in January he posted on Facebook, if I find this chud Guy, I'm gonna fight him and. And push my. To push my Twitch career. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So his perspective was definitely premeditated.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

From Tread's perspective.

[Tim Pool]

We don't know he is.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, he might. We don't know if he didn't know.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the presumption is innocence. Like, we can't assume he did if there's no evidence. We presume he did not. Yes, but we do not introduce the idea that Chud was aware of who this person was unless you could present any kind of evidence.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, well, if he did know, it would help his case potentially because he can make the argument, oh, I saw this guy, he threatened to hurt me, blah, blah, blah. That's why I reacted the way that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but I don't think he needs.

[Myron Gaines]

I mean, we don't know. We don't know if this dude.

[Tim Pool]

Are you sure that's the right guy?

[Myron Gaines]

100%. Yeah. It was his Facebook profile. He goes by Joshua Love on Facebook, but his real name is Joshua Fox. And this is the same guy that tried to, you know, do arson and, you know, burn a house with his wife and his child.

[Ian Cross]

For all I know, he was standing outside the courtroom on purpose waiting for.

[Myron Gaines]

He was there for, I think some child support stuff. He was there for child support and Chud was there for a civil matter.

[Ian Cross]

So. Confluence of events. But this guy has had already publicly stated that he was going to hurt Chud the builder.

[Myron Gaines]

And then he hurt in January. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Myron Gaines]

Because he made a comment that he never comes on our side of town. But if I do see him, I'm basically going to antagonize a fight. Right. And get my Twitch career popping off.

[Ian Cross]

Wow.

[Myron Gaines]

See, and these are facts that like, no one, like, talks about. Right. So, like, you know, and I spoke with a couple people that actually were in the courtroom at that hearing where they played the video and they said, yes, what you said is pretty much spot on. And that's what occurred. But I see where you're going, Tim. You're like, look, you get like a strong self defense case, but like million dollar bond. Is he gonna get a. Yeah, and that's ridiculous too, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

It's insane.

[Myron Gaines]

There was someone that got a quarter million dollar bond that literally killed someone murdered.

[Tim Pool]

But even if.

[Myron Gaines]

Insane, dude, insane.

[Tim Pool]

Even if this is a case where Chud is guilty and is the aggressor, attempted murder is in. Is an insane charge.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes. But I will say assault with a deadly weapon, maybe this is what it's going to be. His defense and this is what Branca was saying as well when I was speaking with him. Really. You know, for those that don't know Andrew Branca, fantastic self defense attorney, one of the best in the country. The goal for the, the defense is going to have to work to keep as much stuff out out about, you know, from Chud's, you know, streaming or whatever to make sure that there's no nothing unduly suggestive or you know, we'll taint the jury or whatever. Obviously the entire vorder process of bringing jurors in, you're going to want people that don't, aren't familiar with who he is. But if they do do that, he did mention that if they do do that, that they can obviously Josh Fox, his background is gonna have to come in too. And I suspect that he's gonna have to be the state star witness. Well in this. And he didn't get arrested either, which is interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Let me tell you. The Sarah Fields is covering the Carmelo Anthony trial.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh yeah, that's another bit she said,

[Tim Pool]

said juror 142 said quote, I don't know that I would feel right putting a brother in jail.

[Ian Cross]

Well, he should be dismissed.

[Myron Gaines]

Of course.

[Tim Pool]

I believe he probably was.

[Myron Gaines]

The point is BLM guy in the Chauvin trial, like for a jury. And I was like, this is.

[Tim Pool]

They were lying.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The point, the point is this, Ian, you. A jury system exists for a people. And we as we as the United States, we are not a people. Black people don't like this guy said it. And this is a common sentiment among black people in the United States. They, they're like, I'll put a white guy in jail. I want to put a black guy in jail. They actually, actually we had a study on this we talked about on the show. White people have zero bias based on race in criminal and criminal justice. Every other racial minority would intentionally get a racial minority of their own, of their kin off. They would say not guilty.

[Myron Gaines]

And those study on.

[Tim Pool]

So we talked about, so I think it was last year there's a study where they tracked white jurors, okay. And found zero racial bias. Then they tracked Hispanic, Asian and black and found pure racial bias for black people. If you're Asian, white, Latino or otherwise, you're guilty if you're guilty. If you're not guilty, you're not guilty. If you're black, not guilty no matter what. For Mexicans, if you're Mexican, not guilty no matter what. If you're Asian, if Asian, not guilty no matter what. White people. If you're white, black or otherwise, you're guilty. If you're guilty, you're not guilty. If you're not guilty.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. No, but it is insane though, because like, they like compared like all the different people that got bond in that, in that court, in that same jurisdiction. And like CHUD has by far the most expensive ever, like eight times the normal. And like there's people that like, were, you know, convicted PDFs, you know, murderers, etc, they're getting 100, 250k bond. And for Chud, and then he had his bond hearing today and apparently the judge ruled no bond because every person that post bond can only post 100k. So he needs 10 different bail bondsman companies basically to put up 100,000. Because dual put up the 1 million. They have it. They put up them 1 million. But the judge said, no, the limit is 100,000. And it's like, dude, what is this?

[Tim Pool]

Like, that's crazy, dude.

[Ian Cross]

Okay, I got a question because I think in addition, what you're saying about tribalism, ridiculous juries, that the Internet makes it hard to get an untainted jury. Because you hear about these national stories, like Kyle Rittenhouse, pretty much everybody knew who he was. So in this situation, as part of the media, do we have a duty not to talk about it?

[Tim Pool]

It.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, I mean, media's going to report on it or whatever. You know, I, I think with chud, like, he's, he's still fairly like, you know, unless you're in a streaming world or you really tapped in with the Internet, you're going to know who he is. But I think like, normies, boomers, they're not going to know. They're going to, they'll be able to probably get a fair, somewhat fair jury. But my thing is, I'm looking at it like this bond situation is nuts. Like, it's. Dude, literally, like two weeks prior to chud, some dude killed somebody, some black kid, and he got quarter million, quarter million bond.

[Ian Cross]

Like you have to get 100 from each person too.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, that's the. Max is 100k.

[Ian Cross]

So the guy that had 250, he still needed to get three different people to pay his bond as well.

[Tim Pool]

Max is 100.

[Myron Gaines]

So. So dual put up a million. Alex fight for kids. Like he was going to put up 100. And they're like, no, we need 10 different people putting up 100k.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, this other guy had a 250.

[Tim Pool]

Judge lock him up, bro, I told you, I said this today. I was like he's getting locked up. Thank you to have a nice day.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, My question, dude, does everybody that's posting bond need 100k from different sources or is that just a one off with this chud situation?

[Myron Gaines]

That's a good question. I don't know. But, but, but, you know, but keep in mind, with like 250k, you've only got to come up with 10.

[Ian Cross]

A lot of. So does he only need 10? With a 1 million bond,

[Myron Gaines]

I think each person can only put up 10, which is why it's a hundred thousand. That's why. Because if it. Because, because if 250k 20, you know, put up 5, 10, 25k. Right. For CHUD, it's a million, but 100k is the max.

[Ian Cross]

So that's a, that's a bond law, is that you can only. Any one person can only.

[Myron Gaines]

I don't know if it's a law or whatever, but that's what the judge said today during the hearing, which is insane. So that's purposely why, I guess strategically why they have his bond so high. It was originally at 1.25, now it's at 1 and it's ridiculous.

[Ian Cross]

Kept it at 1 because that's the minimum that you can't bond.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It says this article from wsmv, this unique rule is going to keep them locked up. They say bonding companies are only permitted to put forth $100,000 of liability. They can't take full responsibility. As such, 10 different companies would have to split the risk and require a 10,000. $10,000 bond be paid to each of them. During Wednesday's hearing, Earthly's attorney requested the cap allowance be raised, saying that only two bonding companies so far were willing to work on the case. Goodman denied that request. They're going to find every reason in the world to give him an unfair trial and lock him up.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep, he's.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. And, and look, if, you know, and I want people that are watching this that like, might not like CHUD or be like, he's a racist, whatever, that's fine. You don't have to like him. I'm not arguing that. What I'm saying is like, like, if you believe in the second Amendment, if you believe in the ability to defend yourself, like, you need to keep an eye on this. And you know, this is going to. Obviously, I don't think it matters.

[Ian Cross]

Oh, it does, because it's the First Amendment too. If this guy, if his intention was not to produce fighting words when he said, what are you? Then you're going to chimp out again. Like then. Then the guy had no right to attack him.

[Tim Pool]

You guys are so 1990s, man. I mean, I know you get it. I know you get it. Myron. Listen, man, if you go to San Francisco convicted, you think you got free speech in San Francisco. You don't. If conservatives go to San Francisco and speak up, the cops will laugh as antifa beats the crap out of you with crowbars, and they'll do nothing about it.

[Ian Cross]

You live in a violent military, but if you're charismatic. Yeah. Where basically the cops can shoot you at any moment for any reason off camera, and then they'll get off.

[Tim Pool]

You guys see the Lego story out of Utah?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The cops just making. Making stuff up. Yeah. This guy's crazy.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah. A Guy pawned his $200,000 worth of Legos and then the cops came and took it. I don't know story exactly.

[Tim Pool]

There's a lot more to that, but I'm referencing reckless Ben. There's body camera footage where he stops at a stop sign. And the police argued he blew the stop sign because he stopped shortly after the stop sign. So they said he was crossing the stop line. And I'm like. But you have to. To see oncoming traffic because cars are parked anyway. To your point, largely, yeah. In a lot of circumstances like this. This is. This is the thing about power, guys. If you go to a small town and you f. With that small town, a cop will shoot you in the face in broad daylight, and every single member of that town will say, I didn't see nothing. That's. That's. That's the reality of power, okay? That's how it works. Free speech. Everybody's making these arguments about you have a right to free speech. What is this about is who CHUD is and whether there will be a group of people who want chud out. Now, you can make the arguments, every argument in the world about the first amount Second Amendment. What you're trying to do there is to assert legitimacy and institutional authority. We must abide by this thing. The truth is that the real goal there is to convince regular people, and I'm not saying you're wrong, to do it. I understand the point of saying he has a First amendment right and second Amendment right, but the reality of the exercise of power is will there be enough powerful people in Tennessee to say stop or not? I think they're going to lock them up. I don't think any prominent millionaires, billionaires, influential politicians in Tennessee are going to sit there and I Got for this guy, the inverse is going to happen. They're going to say, I don't want to get caught up in that. Lock them up. And then the question of free speech.

[Myron Gaines]

You're saying like practically you think he's going to get locked up. But do you think yet, do you think he's valid self defense though, with that fact pattern?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Initially I was like, what you're saying

[Myron Gaines]

you think he's like from the fact pattern, he's in the right. However you think they're gonna make an example out of him.

[Tim Pool]

And so I'll clarify initially when the story came out and what we understood was that he walked up to a guy, they had words and a fight broke out.

[Myron Gaines]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, they're gonna look at his history and say chud has a tweet where he said and they don't have

[Myron Gaines]

the pump video yet. That's the other thing I was gonna say. They're working on getting it.

[Tim Pool]

Judd has a tweet where he said, we all know something. Like we know how this ends with me doing thing that ends in death and then y' all going nuts when I get off, when I get out of jail. Statements like that will play a role in whether or not however well he said he would. Once, once we learned from the charging documents that Chud tried to disengage, it changes everything. The fact that he tried to disengage makes attempted murder the most psychotic charge they could. Again, they could still get him on some. Like if the argument was that Chud walked up to a guy, like they said something to him, he walked up, up, words were had, a fight breaks out and he shoots him. The best charge they could get reasonably would be like assault with a deadly weapon. Like you're not going to argue. So second degree murder is like passion murder that in that moment in his mind, Chud said, this man must die and decided, I'm going to kill. That's not. He's getting beat up. So that's. That's. Once you hear the charging documents that Chud attempted to disengage. Now you've removed all intent. Chud was, had no intention of causing harm to this other person. Then he gets hit. Now a fight was started by the other guy after Chud tried to disengage. Now you've got a self defense class.

[Myron Gaines]

Prosecutor is always overcharged though, because it gives him a little bit more wiggle room later on to oh, we would plead to this. They almost always.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right, right, exactly Exactly. But if he, if he goes for trial on this one on the merits, I think his lawyers are going to say, chud, you're going to prison. Because it's.

[Myron Gaines]

If he has a good lawyer. If he has a good lawyer and his lawyer ensures that, you know, they, they mitigate as much of this like streaming stuff coming in to not taint the jury. He. I think he has a very solid chance. And then they go on the facts and circumstances on there. And then, you know, if they do do that, have the contingency of we're going to destroy your main witness's character because this guy Josh Love is a pos. That's another option. But we'll have to see, man.

[Phil Labonte]

But what's allowed.

[Myron Gaines]

Everyone thought Diddy was gone. And then did he beat the rico? Did he literally beat the RICO with a fantastic man.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but yeah, not only did he do it, but. And then he did do it when he got off from what Cassie just ran out.

[Myron Gaines]

You saw she just like left the country with like 30 million.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's not the judges.

[Myron Gaines]

Cassie, the star witnesses.

[Tim Pool]

Oh.

[Myron Gaines]

Girlfriend.

[Phil Labonte]

It's at the judge's discretion though. Right. So. And the judge has already shown that by the. The bail stuff that he's probably, I

[Myron Gaines]

think because the state system, please correct me if I'm wrong here, but like the state system is kind of like the federal one. It's not been indicted yet. So it's like at a lower level judge.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

If it get. Once it gets indicted, then it's going to go to like a real trial judge.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

And a lot of times magistrates are like kind of cowards. They don't really want to like, ah, I don't want to be the guy to do this or whatever. They don't want the, the liability. So that might be a reason why he's behaving the way that he is.

[Ian Cross]

What would be a manslaughter chart, like would be an example of manslaughter. If they.

[Myron Gaines]

This could constitute his manslaughter.

[Ian Cross]

I would say a self defense.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

This could constitute like, this could be like a manslaughter charge. Could be like, okay, look, we don't got enough for attempted murder. Whatever. Let's go like with a manslaughter or whatever. But you know, we'll see what happens.

[Ian Cross]

How to die though, like manslaughter wouldn't have had to die.

[Myron Gaines]

Or would it be attempted manslaughter or

[Ian Cross]

like what's the difference?

[Myron Gaines]

Solid. A deadly weapon or something. Just aggravate assault.

[Ian Cross]

People probably know about this. But the difference between murder two and manslaughter, do you know, off the top of your head?

[Myron Gaines]

It depends. Every, every state is different.

[Phil Labonte]

So like murder one is when you, is generally when you intend to go to kill someone.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Completely premeditated, planned out.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Murder two is you intended to kill someone, but you, you didn't go planning like, you didn't go to the guy's house. Right. So you, you were somewhere, you, something happened and you intended to kill him, but you didn't show up at that place intended to kill him. And then manslaughter is. There was an altercation, something happened, and you try to defend yourself and.

[Myron Gaines]

Or you drunk drove.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Killed somebody, you did something that caused someone to die. Generally, again, but like, but yeah, every

[Myron Gaines]

state's different, but like, but with this one, I mean, you know, we'll see what happens. You know, I know they're going to push it to the grand jury. They'll probably get an indictment because probable causes, such a low barrier. People don't understand, like, how low it is, especially at the state level. And we'll see what happens. But yeah, I think, think the, it's really going to be on his defense attorney to like, put the work in because I do think that this is completely salvageable and the defense is going to have to, you know, but I don't know. Dispensary's made some tweet that was really weird, like, oh, yeah, we're not racist. Like, he made this whole, like, tweet about like, because they've been getting a lot of phone calls, people complaining.

[Tim Pool]

People need to understand how, how politics and power work. And, you know, it's beneficial to the powers that be that we all believe in the legitimacy of a system in which there is little legitimacy. And what I mean by that is we want to believe that if you're innocent, you will be found not guilty by the jury. We want to believe that when the police are asking you questions and you're innocent, if you're honest, they'll say, thank you for your assistance, of course. Except we live in a country where when the cops are asking you questions, they're really thinking, how can I arrest this guy?

[Myron Gaines]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

We live in a country where, again, like I said, if you drive through a small town of like a thousand people in the middle of, say, like Nebraska, and let's say you, you get out and you're acting like a dick, you're pissing everybody off, they know then you get into a fight with somebody and they Want to get rid of you. They can get rid of you, and nobody's going to do anything about it. Let me tell you. I went to Utgiakvik. You know what that is? It's Barrow, Alaska. And they changed the name because 70 people voted and no one else did. Town's got, like a thousand people. We rented a car, we were driving, and Google Maps told us to go down this one road. The only problem is it was a summer road, and currently it was just snow ditch. So I was like, hey, look, we got a road right here. It says we can go across. And then we go, bam. And we get stuck. So they pull the car out and we get a flat. Literally every single person in the town of Barrow, Alaska, knew that we got a flat tire. Not only did they know we were there, because when we landed, it's a. It's. It's only a thousand people. People got off the plane and they recognized me, and they're like, like, what. What are you doing here? And I was like, we came to check it out. It's like the northernmost city in America. It's like, place to go. Everybody knew we were there. The moment we got a flat tire, we. We get a phone call from the. The rental company, small companies, like, so you got a flat, huh? You want to. You like, let's bring it back in. We're like, yeah, sorry about that. We go to get food at a restaurant. They're like, oh, flat tire, huh? Everybody knows. Now, imagine what happens, of course, on

[Myron Gaines]

group chat or something. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because the local news is so small. Now imagine you go to a small town and you do something like shoplift, or you get into a car accident or you hit a kid or something. You could go into a small town and they could simply be like, we're smuggling drugs and you saw us bang the cops. The cop shoots you and says, our economy is based off the illegal drug smuggling, so we're not going to let you leave. And then what are you going to do about it? You're missing, and the local police say, we'll investigate. Nothing ever happens. Just another missing person. That's how politics actually works.

[Ian Cross]

Were you, Myron, Were you a cop in the. In the government? Was that your.

[Myron Gaines]

My official title was a Special Agent with Homeland Security Investigations, or hsi.

[Ian Cross]

Did you arrest people? Was that part of your job all the time?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Ian Cross]

Did you ever, like, look at people and just be like, I don't care what they did. I'm going to arrest them.

[Myron Gaines]

So at the federal level, you have to Present an enormous amount of evidence to even get an AUSA to like take your case and get it indicted and charged. Like we don't have the same level of. Of probable cause arrest leverage like the state does. Like for example, you get stopped on a traffic stop. I smell weed. You did this. I'm gonna, I'm just gonna make an arrest right there. Take you to jail, book you let the D a deal with it later. The federal system doesn't work like that. Contrary to popular belief, feds have very little power to actually effectuate arrests without full support of the United States Attorney's office. Like you're not going to make an arrest unless you talk to an ausa. So that makes it where this. And this is why they don't lose case a lot of times because you're typically working a case alongside the prosecutor the entire time versus at the state and local level, they kind of do it on their own and then they bring the prosecutor in after. And that's why there's so many mistakes. And state cases Almost always the 50 failure rate so many times. So that's like one of the main differences.

[Ian Cross]

Okay, is it because you have to wait for. It was ASUA is what they're called

[Myron Gaines]

United States Attorney's office. So we call them AUSA's Assistant United States Attorney's Office. You have to wait Attorney.

[Ian Cross]

Do you need their authority to make the arrest or do you just. It's just smart to wait for it.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, pretty much. Like I'll give an example when I was on the border, right? We can count catch someone smuggling in like 20 kilos of coke, right? We got him there. He confessed. Whatever. I still got to call that USA and be like, look, I'm going to file a criminal complaint. This is what I got. Okay. We're gonna accept it, right? And you send a complaint in and then you send it, they look at it. Then they forward it to the judge. Like everything still has to go through them. You're not gonna, you know, go to a judge without going to an ausa. Like the stay in local skin.

[Phil Labonte]

You can take them. You take him into custody and you have them in custody while you're getting that.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, like when he's there and I'll like, I'll call the USA and get that concurrence that they're gonna accept the complaint. Complaint. But like I can't. Let's just like take them and drop them off without taking. Talking to an ausa, is he in

[Ian Cross]

handcuffs by the time you call a USA a Lot of times.

[Myron Gaines]

Because, like, you'll show up and, like, he'll be there and customs has them. And then, like, you take it from there. Like, yeah, you're like, you'll show up, he'll be there cuffed up. And then if you show up fast enough, you can do what's called a controlled delivery. Hey, where were this drug supposed to go? New York City. All right, you want to cooperate? Yeah. Make a control call, Calls a guy, hey, so I got a flat. We're gonna go. Go. Cool. We do the controlled delivery. I call the ausa, we're going to do a cd, we take it to where it's going to go, and then we do the surveillance. Or if he says, I don't want to cooperate, okay, cool. We're going to file the complaint. Do you concur?

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever mercilessly beaten a man?

[Phil Labonte]

Please say yes.

[Myron Gaines]

No, no, no, man. Like, dude, like, there's mercy. Obviously. There's always. Look, there's always corruption everywhere. Let me be clear about this. There's always corruption everywhere, but I would say, like, at the federal system, like, it's a lot. It's far more buttoned up and crossing T's and dotting I's, and that's why they barely lose cases. And like, you know, by the time we're coming to get you at 6 o' clock in the morning, the investigation's been going on for. For a year or two. We have informants, we have you on the phone. We have, you know, wiretaps. We've done search warrants, we've done grand jury subpoenas. Like, we have an enormous amount of evidence on you. By the time we show up at your house at 6am Probable cause. Arrests are actually very rare at the federal level unless you have everything, like, right then and there, we're gonna.

[Tim Pool]

We're gonna go to your rumble rants and super chats. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. The uncensored portion of the show coming up at 10pm you got to join R. Humble Premium to watch. And if you want to call in, you got to be a member of the discord community. But it's always. It's always fun. Not so family friendly. But in the meantime, let's grab those chats from you guys. Super pooper says, I don't want to be a part of your discord. I just get into arguments with the people. They're not my people. I do want to call in if you created a role in your discord. Just for calling in. It would be cool, but you literally can just join to do the call in so you don't to have. Have to argue with people. I don't, I don't understand. Sign up, join the discord. Don't argue with people.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, you got.

[Tim Pool]

Don't go in the chat and just chill and then submit your questions for the Collins. Easy enough. Timcast.com.

[Ian Cross]

it's like, it's like running through a gauntlet. You have to not get baited by the thing.

[Tim Pool]

You know what? I think I'm pretty sure the call isn't the call in chat. Separate from the. From the actual chat. Yeah, like call in submissions. Its own thing where you submit a question and then.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, they're all different.

[Phil Labonte]

You can just practice self restraint and not actually engage in arguments.

[Ian Cross]

True.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I appreciate the rant. 50 bucks, you know what I mean?

[Ian Cross]

Like, for sure join.

[Tim Pool]

It's like five months of membership right there.

[Ian Cross]

It's worth it, bro. You'll be a stronger person when you can resist it.

[Tim Pool]

Josh Stedford says in keeping with Tim Cast tradition, we're at the hospital waiting for the birth of our first son. Welcome to the world, Tate. Andre. Congratulations.

[Ian Cross]

Down tate Andre's dude.

[Tim Pool]

NNY says logged in 10 minutes late. Big ups to Myra. And I expected a screed against Jews. Instead it was a screed against women. Congrats for staying on message. Oh, no. Let's say one bad mouth Bandit says, unfortunately today we had to put down our family cat, Henry. He will be missed dearly. Rest in peace, my furry friend.

[Phil Labonte]

Condolences, Henry.

[Tim Pool]

Man the Fallen says Ian Hassan wasn't banned for being communist. He was banned because he repeatedly calls for terrorism against governments and the killing of influential people from.

[Ian Cross]

In the uk, I assume everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

The uk. Everyone.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah. Well, I didn't insinuate. I hope I didn't insinuate that it was just because of his larping communism that he got banned. But I do think that's why he's getting invested.

[Tim Pool]

You know what? I think there's a lot of really dumb people and I feel like the political divide in this country is an IQ test. So for a lot of people who are like average or above average intelligence, they can see these problems and they can think a few steps ahead and they say, okay, well, if we want to solve these problems, we need to implement these strategies. Dumb people just say it's someone's fault. It's just someone's fault. Hasan. And there are other commentators, but Hasan is the kind of Guy who says your right to be mad and blame that person for it. Blame that person.

[Myron Gaines]

Blame the billionaires.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. It's always some unreachable evil that you can't stop now. Now the left says the right wants to scapegoat migrants. Except when the right scapegoats migrants, they say hey, they're taking low skill jobs that Gen Z should be taking. They're driving up the price of houses, they're causing problems in supply and demand and they're disruptive to our culture. That's very, very different from the billionaires did it. So if you can think a few steps ahead, you'll go, hey, a wealth tax really wouldn't work. Where will they get the money from? You can't tax tax in non intangible wealth. The left just says the top 1%

[Myron Gaines]

pay 40% of the taxes.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I love the question like you know that Dave's getting ragged on for the jubilee thing. But he had a few good points as what's the fair share? You want to tax the rich. What is the fair share the rich should pay? They don't have an answer. There isn't one. It's just gimme, gimme, gimme it flu.

[Ian Cross]

It should fluctuate.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not. There are people that say give me, give me, give me. But really the motivation now I think is largely hurt the people that I blame for my position, position in life, it's not motivated about.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Because the truth is they're all rich.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The truth is poor people in the United States States are wealthier than 99.99 of all humans who have ever existed.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm not trying to minimize the struggle you have with your bills, your car payment, your mortgage. I'm gonna try to minimize the struggle you have if you're a young person who can't buy a house or get married. But it is true what I am saying. Humans in America today are wealthier than the overwhelming majority of all humans who have ever existed. So the challenge is always relative. That doesn't mean you're wrong when you say I wish I could own a house and I want to have a family. And it sucks that it's become harder and harder to do and we want to solve for those problems.

[Myron Gaines]

And the most black millionaires are in America despite systemic racism. Right.

[Tim Pool]

And, and the challenge is these progressives don't have to work. They don't. And many of them don't work. The professor, they're professional activists. They eat whatever they want. Whenever they want, they got hot, clean running water and they're upset about it.

[Ian Cross]

It's part of why I've. I've softened. Yeah, the, the war machine, the empire. Like, I used to re rail against that thing, but I. As I sit here in my air conditioning talking to the Internet for money, I realize I'm living on the back of the empire. So, like, I'm not going to tear it down. I used to be the kind of tear it down guy. Just be realistic about what you're utilizing in life and don't rip it apart.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, you know, it's first world problems, right? Like when people say things, you know, like I was giving the. The joke earlier, like, you know, know, black people complain all the time about systemic racism and all this, you know, oppression, whatever. It's like, dude, we have the most black millionaires here than anywhere else in the world. Like, you know, yeah, civilization.

[Tim Pool]

Liberia waits era.

[Myron Gaines]

I get it. But. Yeah, right. Go back to Wakanda. But it gets a Vibran.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. Wakanda is in Illinois. Liberia is in. Is in Western Africa.

[Ian Cross]

I mean, that the vibration.

[Tim Pool]

There is a. There is a town Illinois called Wakanda.

[Ian Cross]

I agree.

[Tim Pool]

Part of Chicago Metro. We used to go there all the time.

[Ian Cross]

I don't know. And it's like, I want to give people, you know, perspective of. To be appreciative of what they have, but without taking it away from them. You know, I encourage you to go to a foreign country and live in like, a relatively destitute area for a while where you barely get a trickle of shower water.

[Myron Gaines]

Been a Sudan. Been to Egypt, you know, like, it makes you really appreciate, you know, traveling the world makes you really appreciate, like, what you have here.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry, you've been to Juba?

[Myron Gaines]

Never been to Juba? No.

[Tim Pool]

South Sudan?

[Myron Gaines]

No, no. Well, my fans from the north.

[Tim Pool]

But the, the GDP is $300 per capita.

[Myron Gaines]

I believe it.

[Tim Pool]

$300?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. I believe it, though.

[Tim Pool]

That means they're living off like, like $24 a month. It. Not even 24.

[Ian Cross]

Have you been there?

[Tim Pool]

No. Oh, man.

[Ian Cross]

Do they have convenience stores or is this like, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Of course. And then when you look in South Sudan at like the American Embassy, it's like this little square of perfect pristine and like, it's nice. And everything else is dirt and huts and broken and. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Uncapped.

[Tim Pool]

I. I'd love to.

[Myron Gaines]

I went as a kid. It's like 95. But it was back when it was one country. Now, obviously it's Sudan. Then South Sudan.

[Tim Pool]

But yeah, I was, we, we, we were. We were looking around on the earth on this show and I was looking at Alger, Algeria. I think it is. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. To Monroset. It's a city in like the dead middle of the Sahara in a mountain. It's like straight in the middle of the Sahara and It's got like 150,000 people living there. Got an airport. I'm like, that would be a place to go. That sounds fun. Algeria. You'd probably. But I'd assume because it's an arid wasteland, you're not getting a lot of parasites.

[Ian Cross]

True. Sandworms.

[Tim Pool]

Pretty crazy.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

That seems like a fun place to go.

[Ian Cross]

Sounds cool to me. Yep. Are there ticks and lice in the sand?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. But we got the super chat from Dustin A's. He says New World Screw Worm has hit the US this affects all livestock and native wildlife. Please bring this up.

[Ian Cross]

Up.

[Tim Pool]

What's New World Screw worm?

[Ian Cross]

Sounds really. Do you work for the World Economic Forum?

[Tim Pool]

Coom. Hominovorex. Oh, it's one of those flies that injects its. It's. Oh my God. No way. What like a bot fly?

[Ian Cross]

Oh man.

[Tim Pool]

The New World Screw Worm. It's a species of parasitic blowfly. I'll pull this up. This is. This is not. This is bad.

[Ian Cross]

Heads are gross.

[Tim Pool]

Infestation of a live vertebrate animal by a maggot is scientifically termed my. What is this? Miasis. Miasis should be maggot. What does it do? So what, what do they do? They like embed in the. Oh yeah, dude.

[Ian Cross]

Under the skin. Yup. And then a larva grows into a fly and breaks out of your body.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm not saying you.

[Ian Cross]

Because it's not going to happen to you.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Cross]

But if it were to happen to that poor cow.

[Tim Pool]

Whoa, dude, that's nasty.

[Phil Labonte]

For June 3, 2026, the USDA has confirmed the presence of World Screw Room in the United States, specifically in a three week old calf in Zavala County, Texas. This direction follows recent findings of the past in Mexico is close to 25 to 31 miles from the US Mexico border.

[Tim Pool]

And they do infect humans.

[Ian Cross]

This is what I'm talking about.

[Phil Labonte]

The. The US previously confirmed its first human case in Maryland in 2025 involving a traveler returning from El Salvador.

[Tim Pool]

So. So actually the. The. The range does include southern United States.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah, like it just looks like a normal.

[Tim Pool]

Oh no, no. It says largely eradicated. So it's come back.

[Ian Cross]

They've been working on it.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, so these illegal immigrants are bringing screw worms back. A fly is going to land on you and lay an egg in your arm.

[Ian Cross]

Gross. And then one day or in your eye when you're. Oh, can you imagine how gross that is?

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, God.

[Tim Pool]

Horror movies.

[Ian Cross]

We need stuff like this to remember that nature is the enemy. It's not. We're on the same team as humans.

[Tim Pool]

Gaia.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's not George Source. It's a Gaia.

[Ian Cross]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

Absolutely not.

[Ian Cross]

Guy out to shake some.

[Tim Pool]

We need to convert. You know, every. Not a day goes by I'm not driving past some, like, big open field and just thinking to myself, could this not be improved by a Walmart and like a shopping center and parking lot just paid, you know what I mean? I just see all these trees and I'm like, enough.

[Phil Labonte]

Cut them down.

[Tim Pool]

Walmart.

[Phil Labonte]

That's right.

[Ian Cross]

You know, from a distance, man. But walking under tree canopies, I get freaked out from the ticks these days. I haven't going under trees lately.

[Tim Pool]

They'll jump on you and then they'll bite you. They'll burrow their heads into your body and then you can never eat a cheeseburger again.

[Ian Cross]

Like, peg your pants so they can't get up under your socks.

[Phil Labonte]

And like, you just put on, like, wear a hat. Deep woods off.

[Tim Pool]

They jump off of trees and land on you. Yeah. They climb up onto the tall stalks of grass and wait. And then when you walk by, they jump on you.

[Ian Cross]

I was just learning about this mosquito called the. The Asian tiger mosquito. Ever see one of those? They're black with white stripes. They're real aggressive. They were in New York city in like 2009 or 13 or something over

[Tim Pool]

in Navy where they gave you like AIDS or something.

[Ian Cross]

I don't think they were transmitting anything in particular, but they're real aggressive mosquitoes and they're like little. They're like, they're like streamlined looking.

[Tim Pool]

Streamlined. Little Asian tiger.

[Myron Gaines]

I hate bugs. But the, the only benefit they really give is, like, for, you know, besides nature stuff. They are pretty good when it comes to figuring out, like, you know, how long someone's been deceased for solving crimes for murder.

[Ian Cross]

Murder.

[Phil Labonte]

Mosquitoes?

[Myron Gaines]

No, like flies and stuff like that. Oh, like, yeah. Do you guys hear about, like that case with David, the singer?

[Ian Cross]

Oh, yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

He left that girl on a Tesla, like the underage girl. A big part of the reason why they were able to somewhat establish when she passed away was like the development of the bugs.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

A free Thinking dog says Al Slash Tipper Gore founded Parents Music Resource Center. And this is why we got the explicit lyrics labels and ESRB on games in the late 90s 90s.

[Phil Labonte]

The explicit, the explicit lyrics thing, that was a badge of honor.

[Tim Pool]

But the point I'm making is that the exertion of political authority is not always about a law being passed or a cop coming and knocking your door. When a member of Congress says, I can make a phone call and subpoena you and you'll go to prison, you're going to do what we tell you to do. That's power politics. So that's my point about censorship and,

[Ian Cross]

you know, with the Twitter, the back door with the FBI and Twitter.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly, exactly. And so there was a. What was that email service? Lavabit. Was it Lavabit? They wanted Snowden's emails. I think it was Snowden. So the NSA sent a letter that basically said, you're going to turn over everything or we'll destroy you. So we shut his company down. It was like later, he's like, I will not. I will not comply. And that's what they do. There's no legal authority to do what they're doing. They can just say, listen, the things we can do may not be, you know, the procedure is the punishment, basically. All right, a free thinking dog says, cow will take a nap while standing. So cow tipping is real. Because I've done it. When they, when they want to deep sleep, they'll lay down. It's hard to push half a ton, though. So the dairy farmers that I talked to told me, so this is, this is so 10 years ago, I, I was thinking cow tipping was like a thing. And we did this story and I asked him, dairy farmers, and they're like, that's not real. Real. They were like, no one. You can't. Not like Beavs and Butthead did it. And it's fake. They. They like kneel next to the cow and then when you push against it and you. It falls over. That's not possible. You'd be crushed by the cow. You can't knock the cow over. So, you know, and cows sleep lying down. So, I mean, maybe there are some circumstances in which someone has knocked a cow over. But the idea that people go cow tipping, as I understand it for the

[Ian Cross]

first time, I typed into my search algorithm, how do you cow tip? And it does say it's an urban legend.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Cross]

Haven't looked deeply in yet. It's not a real or feasible activity.

[Tim Pool]

What is that?

[Ian Cross]

Because you can't push the Cow over

[Phil Labonte]

Cows are big and heavy, man.

[Ian Cross]

This guy says he did it. Did he trip the cow? Did he stick a couple of rocks down there to the right side of its feet?

[Tim Pool]

Mx Cope says Tim, the LA mayoral vote in count went from 60 to 62 and Pratt did not gain a single vote. Only Bass and Ramon. Which is weird considering it's one count. So it's not like you can look at a state and say these different counties count at different rates and have different political opinions. So when they're like the votes came in from one county to one voting location to be counted and Pratt doesn't get any votes. Yeah, they're cheating. And I'll tell you this, this morning I made a video about this of which I said the Democrats have weeks long voting practices in California so that they can rig the election. YouTube froze the video for a half an hour as process pressing it wouldn't go. So I uploaded, I uploaded a second version of said pressing will begin shortly and it was frozen. Now it's like 10:01 and I'm like video supposed to go live. So I grabbed an old video, random uploaded it to see if YouTube was broken, instantly uploaded, no problem. So then I re rendered the video, put no title and no information in, then it processed and once it was done processing I then put in Democrats are cheating. And here's what happened. Insane. They're playing games.

[Ian Cross]

I thought it was AI scraping your voice.

[Tim Pool]

They do this but at least it's

[Ian Cross]

just, they were just getting the text.

[Tim Pool]

But still I believe that. I believe YouTube's algorithm searches titles and then decides to put their thumb on the scale. Oh yeah. So this has happened many many times on specific videos and it's always something politically charged. Not to mention I do a lot of politically charged stuff but this one's particularly charged. And when the upload gets blocked for some reason and it's always a procedural error, I re upload with it with no title and then it's fine. Then once it's public I'll put the title and so it publishes initially as like just, it just says Tim Pool. All right everybody, we're gonna, we're going to the uncensored portion of the show. So join the timcast [e-mail] Head over to rumble.com timcast IRL for the uncensored, always fun, not so family friendly portion of the show.

[Jerry O'Connell]

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[Tim Pool]

Follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Myron, you want to shout anything out?

[Myron Gaines]

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[Ian Cross]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Cross]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Ian Cross]

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[Tim Pool]

Tim, we'll see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL right now. Thanks for hanging out.