Democrat FEDERALLY INDICTED For Obstructing ICE Agents In Chicago w/ Cliff Maloney & Judge Pat Dugan

Summary

Timcast IRL: "Democrat Federally Indicted For Obstructing ICE Agents In Chicago"

Date: October 30, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guests: Judge Pat Dugan, Cliff Maloney, Brett Dasovic, Seamus Coughlin
Episode Focus: The Federal indictment of Democratic candidate Kat Abu Ghazala for allegedly obstructing ICE in Chicago, escalating threats and political violence, Soros-backed DA’s and law enforcement, and the release of the "Arctic Frost" documents on federal surveillance of conservatives.

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Episode Overview

This episode revolves around the indictment of Illinois Democratic congressional candidate Kat Abu Ghazala, charged with obstructing ICE during a protest. The discussion branches into broader themes: the escalation of left-wing rhetoric calling for violence, partisan shifts within the Democratic Party, the role of Soros-backed prosecutors in urban crime, government overreach targeting conservatives, social safety nets, and the bleak prospects for political and civic stability in America.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. The Federal Indictment of Kat Abu Ghazala

• [07:14–10:44]
  Tim Pool introduces the main story: Kat Abu Ghazala and five others are federally indicted for blocking an ICE vehicle during a protest in Chicago. She claims it's a political prosecution meant to silence dissent, invoking the First Amendment in her video statement.
• Tim & panel refute her claim, stating it's about obstructing law enforcement, not protected speech.
• Quote [08:29] – Kat Abu Ghazala:
  "This is a political prosecution and a gross attempt to silence dissent, a right protected under the First Amendment."

2. Political Strategy, Messaging, and Why Abu Ghazala Can't Win

• [10:44–12:27]
  Tim critiques Kat's political strategy: frequent jump cuts in her messaging show lack of poise; her anti-Israel position in a Jewish district dooms her chances.
• Brett points out her inability to emotionally connect through the camera and omits key facts about breaking the law.
• Seamus frames far-left activism as rooted in Marxism/communism, a position advanced incrementally through the party.

3. The Shift in Democratic Party and Law Enforcement

• [12:27–15:15] Judge Dugan describes the impact of Philadelphia DA Larry Krasner's policies: downgrading offenses for undocumented immigrants and drug offenders.

• Quote [13:07] – Judge Pat Dugan:
  "These are the reasons why it’s annoying to me ... You break the law, whether you’re a citizen or not, the law should apply to you fairly. And Larry Krasner was not doing that."

• Cliff Maloney argues the “soft on crime” issue is not hyperbole and shares frustration at the left portraying police as enemies.

• Seamus and others highlight Democrats' reversal on "defund the police," shifting now to say they only wanted "reform."

4. Immigration, Law, and the ‘I Am Legend’ Analogy

• [15:15–18:24]
  Tim draws a parallel between unchecked immigration and "I Am Legend," imagining future scenarios where ICE agents are villains in a society dominated by noncitizens.

5. Should Protesters Who Obstruct Law Enforcement be Prosecuted?

• [18:24–20:47]
  Judge Dugan affirms: anyone interfering with law enforcement must be detained and prosecuted, regardless of political persuasion. Warns against calls (such as Krasner’s) to harass National Guard members, reminding listeners that Guardsmen are local citizens.

6. Soros-Funded DAs and the Leftward Drift

• [20:47–25:45]
  Judge Dugan and panel discuss the influence of George Soros, positing that funding candidates like Krasner has profoundly shifted Democratic priorities and public safety.
• The panel debates Soros’s motivation: destabilizing cities via soft-on-crime policies.
• Quote [24:39] – Seamus Coughlin:
  “...when someone participates in activities in their personal lives that disfigures them spiritually... The only option for them is to actually hate things that are good and beautiful and want to see them destroyed.”

7. Escalation of Violence and Rhetoric

• [25:50–32:06]
  Discussion moves to far-left podcaster Jennifer Welch, who openly suggests Democrats should support violence against conservatives or be targeted themselves.
• Quote [27:04] – Jennifer Welch:
  “Listen up, Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this, or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after MAGA.”
• Tim and panel are alarmed by this rhetoric, calling for suspension or prosecution where appropriate.
• Quote [29:54] – Judge Pat Dugan:
  “Well, it's disgusting what she said ... you're calling for political violence... This should not be tolerated. I don’t care—from the left, the right, the middle. Dammit, what the hell are we doing?”

8. Conservatism, Media, and Culture War Prognosis

• [32:06–41:57]
  Pool warns that failure to enforce boundaries yields civil violence. He recounts increasing online rhetoric celebrating the deaths of political opponents, claiming mainstream Democratic actors now echo what once were extreme positions.

9. Breakdown of Urban Law & Order in Philadelphia

• [43:09–48:17]
  Judge Dugan recounts specific high-profile failures under DA Krasner: cases where re-offenders were released due to lack of proper prosecution and later committed murder.
• Dugan frames Krasner as a “co-conspirator” in these tragedies due to policies and actions aimed at releasing offenders.

10. "Arctic Frost" Documents: The FBI’s Surveillance of Conservatives

• [54:22–61:44]
  Tim introduces newly released documents showing the Biden FBI subpoenaing bank records and communications of major conservative organizations, including Trump's campaign, RNC, and figures in conservative media and activism.
• Quote [55:04] – Tim Pool:
  "Liberal podcaster Jennifer Welch suggests the Democratic establishment needs to get on board with wanting conservatives dead, or else far leftists will come after you the same way we came after MAGA."
• Panel members note they or groups they worked with are on the list, drawing comparisons to the Lois Lerner IRS scandal.

11. Judicial Integrity, Media Polarization, and Political Strategy

• [61:44–64:30]
  Judge Dugan asserts judges must “call balls and strikes” according to the law and not act as activists. He addresses skepticism about his political bona fides and reiterates his history as an Army veteran and pragmatic Philadelphian interested in restoring law and order.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On DOJ/FBI Overreach
  [55:04] Tim Pool: "It's clear that they were going after privy information to try and cheat an election. That's the only thing I can see from this."

• On Political Violence
  [29:54] Judge Pat Dugan: “...you're calling for political violence... This should not be tolerated. I don’t care — from the left, the right, the middle. Dammit, what the hell are we doing?”

• The "I Am Legend" Immigration Analogy
  [16:07] Tim Pool: "If more and more illegal immigrants come into this country ... when you then try to enforce your laws, they will say you are the evil dictator ... If they take over ... ICE agents will be put in prison and be called Gestapo Nazis..."

• On Soros-Backed DAs
  [24:39] Seamus Coughlin: "...when someone participates in activities in their personal lives that disfigures them spiritually ... The only option for them is to actually hate things that are good and beautiful and want to see them destroyed."

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Major Timestamps

| Segment/Topic | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------------|----------------| | Kat Abu Ghazala indictment and her statement | 07:14–10:44 | | Panel critique of Ghazala, winning chances | 10:44–12:27 | | Philly DA/Law Enforcement policies | 12:27–15:15 | | The I Am Legend analogy & immigration | 16:07–18:24 | | Should protesters who obstruct police be charged? | 18:24–20:47 | | Soros, Krasner, left-wing legal paradigms | 20:47–25:45 | | Jennifer Welch audio & escalation of threats | 25:50–32:06 | | Political violence and culture war escalation | 32:06–41:57 | | Dysfunction in Philadelphia courts | 43:09–48:17 | | "Arctic Frost" Biden FBI targeted conservatives | 54:22–61:44 | | Judges & judicial activism | 61:44–64:30 |

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Additional Topics

The SNAPocalypse, EBT of TikTok, and the Entitlement Culture

• The emergence of the EBT of TikTok account and viral clips of people threatening to steal if benefits end points to a breakdown in civic trust and rising entitlement.
• [76:00] Tim and panel express concern that government dependence is now so entrenched it weakens social cohesion and reinforces class animosity.

The Coming Civil Unrest and National Guard Readiness

• Breaking news: the Pentagon orders National Guard units in every state to prepare for riot-response.
• [65:54] Tim Pool interprets this as foresight/preparation for potential hunger-driven riots owing to SNAP (food-Stamp) crises.

Political Identity & Urban Politics

• Judge Dugan describes why he (a registered Democrat, running as a Republican, with Forward Party endorsement) decided to challenge extremist DA Larry Krasner in Philadelphia, seeing law-abiding Democrats without a voice.

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Closing Thoughts

[109:19] Tim Pool:
“There’s one scenario where I would support a third party term in violation of the Constitution, and that is free Philly cheese steaks with cheese whiz.”

[121:27] Judge Pat Dugan:
“I need help to defeat this guy who is an anarchist who is trying to destroy Philadelphia.”

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Episode Tone

Unfiltered, urgent, and at times darkly humorous, the conversation blends grave warnings about the reality of political violence, prosecutor-driven lawlessness, and deep institutional distrust with entertaining asides about Philly food and pop culture. The show maintains a conversational tone, with occasional sharp or polemical language, and unapologetic partisanship from both the host and most panelists.

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Summary for Newcomers

If you missed the episode, this is a heated, insight-rich debate on the criminalization of protest vs. the need for lawful order, examining the rapidly changing landscape of American politics — from faltering law enforcement in big cities, to direct calls for violence in mainstream left-wing spaces, to the federal government’s alarming surveillance of its political rivals. Featuring first-hand insights from a candidate-judge, grassroots activists, and new conservative media creators, the show challenges listeners to consider the very real threats — ideological, legal, and material — facing the US in the coming years.

Transcript

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[Judge Pat Dugan]

Hey, thanks for having me. I'm Pat Dugan. Judge Pat Dugan running for District attorney in the city of Philadelphia. I'm running against a Soros backed anarchist who coddles criminals. I have a website, Judge Duganford. And I am, I'm calling myself a unicorn. I'm a registered Democrat. I am the Republican nominee. I am endorsed by independents from the Forward Party. I am running as a Philadelphian. I'm truly not worried about politics on either side. I'm only worried about the victims and the rule of law in Philadelphia and the Soros backed candidate Krasner is not.

[Tim Pool]

For a few years we were in Woodbury in New Jersey. So just on the other side. And we would do business in Philly and we had some run ins with some far leftists and we had to experience it. It's going to be great to hear your insights and what your plans are. So it's an honor to have you good sir. We also have Cliff Maloney, Tim Cass Nation.

[Cliff Maloney]

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[Brett Dasovic]

What's going on? It's Brett. Normally I am doing Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time. But we got a lot to get into. How you doing Seamus?

[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Tim Pool]

So if you see as I. Okay. Anyway, let's go to the news. We got this from the ap. Democratic congressional candidate Kat Abu Ghazala indicted over ICE protests outside Chicago. And for those of you that saw the thumbnail on this episode of Tim Cast irl, that's a real photo that she posted of her. And she is running for office. And I'm sure there's going to be a bunch of thirsty young guys that are like, I don't care about politics. They're going to vote for it. Guys, she's not going to date you. It's just not going to happen. Anyway, here's a story. A Democratic congressional candidate in Illinois is being accused, has been accused of blocking a federal agent's vehicle during September protest outside an immigration enforcement building in suburban Chicago. According to court documents unsealed Wednesday, the felony indictment filed last week by a special grand jury charges Katabu Gazelle and five others of conspiring to impede an officer. Quote, this is a political prosecution and a gross attempt at silencing dissent. A right protected under the First Amendment, actually is. If they're going to quote her, I'll just play the video straight from her. And this is her response.

[Kat Abu Ghazala]

My name is Katabagazale. I'm running for Congress in the 9th district of Illinois and the Department of justice is charging six people, including myself, with federal crimes for exercising our First Amendment rights. Near ICE's Broadview Processing Center.

[Tim Pool]

I just got to pause because I don't let him just lie. No, it's because you obstructed law enforcement, which you're not allowed to do. But continue.

[Kat Abu Ghazala]

This is a political prosecution.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Kat Abu Ghazala]

And a gross attempt to silence dissent.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Kat Abu Ghazala]

A right protected under the First Amendment.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Kat Abu Ghazala]

This case is a major push by the Trump administration to criminalize, protest and punish anyone who speaks out against them. That's why I'm going to fight these unjust charges. But I need your help to do it. As I and others have exercised our First Amendment rights, ICE has hit, dragged, thrown, shot with pepper balls and tear gassed hundreds of protesters simply because we had the gall to say that masked men coming into our communities, abducting our neighbors and terrorizing us cannot be our new normal. And because Chicago doesn't back down from bullies in masks who tear gas our neighborhoods, this administration has resorted to weaponizing the federal justice system to scare us into silence. But we're not going to be silent. The Trump administration wants you to be afraid of speaking out against it and its anti democratic power grabs. And there are plenty of reasons to be afraid right now, but we have to overcome that fear. This case targets our rights to protest, speak freely, and associate with anyone who disagrees with the government. And while we have seen the unhinged and unlawful tactics this administration has used against the American public, it's important to remember they're doing this because they are scared. They are wrong, and they know they are on the wrong side of history.

[Tim Pool]

Who is they, though?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Kat Abu Ghazala]

We cannot diminish ourselves in the face of these attacks. That's why we have to. Why should I stand up for humanity?

[Tim Pool]

Because she is anti Israel. She hangs a kafiyah in her room. And I'm going to tell you exactly why she's not going to win. First, I'll refute what she's. She's saying. Let me play this video for you guys. Here's her being pushed back because she was blocking a vehicle. That's her.

[Cliff Maloney]

I'm back at the Broadview.

[Tim Pool]

So there are other videos of this, but I'm going to say this in reference to her, the reason why she can't win. There's two big reasons. Notice all the jump cuts in that video. And I mean this not derisively. If you want to run for office, you need to be able to talk and express yourself. You need wit. You got to go quick. You can't jump cut every five seconds. I got to say, as somebody who did nonprofit fundraising, making me the expert in the case, if you can't articulate your mission statement in 30 seconds, bing, bang, boom, you ain't gonna get it. You ain't gonna get it. But I gotta add, the second reason is that she is an anti Israel candidate running in the, like, most Jewish district in the country.

[Brett Dasovic]

Not even just that, but there was, like, very little in the way of actually, like, showing performative emotion in what she was doing there. There was very little in the way of, like, maybe it's just because we speak on camera every day. So that it's part of the gig to understand how to. When you have a point you wanna articulate to people, you have to be able to look at a camera. You have to be able to make people understand what you feel about a specific topic. And if it's something as personal to her as supposedly having her First Amendment rights violated, while, you know, of course, leaving out the very, very important part where she broke the law to do so. If she can't do that without getting through 30 seconds of time, then she's going to have a very hard time convincing voters who are not going to only see her in clips, but see her in person.

[Tim Pool]

But I mean, young, young liberals are far left. So she has that going for her as like the next generation of Democrat is going to be, you know, I don't, I don't want to be too one dimensional and say communist, but. Communist?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, no, I mean, I completely disagree. The reality is, at the core of their worldview is communism. It is radical far leftism. Once you accept those premises, even if you don't want to take them to their furthest, most radical conclusion, you will slowly end up approaching that position over time. And that's effectively what's happened. They've just gotten closer to that end.

[Brett Dasovic]

State, is the, Is this an issue. That is something that's come up a lot in Philadelphia with immigration law and things like that.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

So the issues that I have with immigration is what Krasner's policies were in Philadelphia, Krasner's policies prior to President Trump and what's going on with ICE today was that if you were a person with bad papers and, and you committed a crime, you walk into a bank, you give the teller a note that says, I am robbing you. Give me all your effing money. Larry Krasner when he find, when he found out that this individual actually was here illegally. Larry Krasner downgraded a bank robbery to a possession of an instrument of crime. What now? No, this is what he's doing, what he was doing. In Philly, we had another case where a guy who was illegal, was dealing drugs, selling 80 bundles of heroin. Well, Larry Krasner became Jesus Christ. He made that case of 80 bundles of heroin. He downgraded it to possession of marijuana. He thinks he could change heroin to possession of marijuana, dealing heroin to possession of marijuana. These are the reasons why it's annoying to me that you got to treat everybody fairly under the law. You break the law, whether you're a citizen or a not citizen, the law app should apply to you fairly. And Larry Krasner was not doing that.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, well, look, let me back up Pat here because I think people always think it's hyperbole, right? People think that, like this, this, hey, we'll be soft on crime. It's just a Republican talking point. It's not. And look, I come from libertarian world, you know, and I found this drift in libertarian world where people would think, well, we Want to fix a criminal justice system, which I'm a big fan of doing that. But when somebody tries to rob a bank, it's a little bit of a different story. Right. When somebody has that amount of drugs and what their intent is, it's not always the solution to try to prove that, hey, listen, we're not going to be like the Republicans that are tough on crime. We're not going to be backing the blue. So you become the opposite. It's that slow drift you talked about where it's like, all of a sudden, if you're not backing the blue, what's the opposite of that? Well, police are the enemy.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

And it's like this, just this dichotomy where, no, there's probably a rational place you can be. The left does not believe in rational, sane thought right now.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I love when the Democrats go, you know, we actually, we never really believed in defunding the police. Now that they've seen the polling data and they clearly did believe in it and they were clearly talking about it like, well, we never, we never believed in defunding the police. We just don't have anything good to say about the police ever, under any circumstances. And we always think they're wrong about everything they do. Why is that so hard to understand?

[Brett Dasovic]

The Mott and Bailey arguments are like, well, no, we were talking about reform. Right. We're not talking about getting rid of the police. We're talking about reforming the police. Of course, that's after you prove how stupid the initial statement was. The most nefarious part about statements like this is that, like, you're talking about with people who are in the country illegally and they're selling drugs and they're selling drugs or they're robbing banks. But when she's talking about it, she's talking about your friends and your neighbors who are being pulled out of their homes. So one of the most nefarious aspects of illegal immigration is that you allowed them to become your friends and neighbors. And for the average everyday citizen, it is horrific to see somebody who you've grown close to in a personal way pulled from their house and removed from the country. But that's not the point. The point is that they live amongst these people in the prior administration did a very, very good job in helping to destroy a good part of the country by letting who see who allow this to happen.

[Tim Pool]

We pull this up.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

We mean literally abolish the police because reform won't happen. It's a New York Times op ed. You know what's happening with the immigration stuff. The United States is. It's the graphic novel I Am Legend. Have you guys ever read it? The movie?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, the original. It was actually a book before graphic novel. It was a novella. It was a short story.

[Tim Pool]

Well, there you go.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

The.

[Tim Pool]

The movie is trash. Don't watch it has nothing to do with the story. Simple version, I bring it up quite a bit. But for those that don't know, for these fine gentlemen, it's about a guy who hunts vampires and the vampires are rapidly spreading. Vampire bites somebody become a vampire. Eventually everyone in the country is a vampire and he's the last human and they arrest him for killing people and they lock him up. And he realizes that now that every single person is a vampire. He's sentenced to death for the murder of people. And he realizes when he dies, he will be the monster of legend that lurked around while. While they. While the children slept and killed them in their beds. So the point is, you being the vampire hunter only matters when your civilization exists and you are fighting the, the. The legendary monster minority. If more and more illegal immigrants come into this country is the point Brett was making, then you are going to have whole swaths of states being non citizens. And when you then try to enforce your laws, they will say you are the evil dictator come to destroy our homes and our lives. And if they take over and win this fight, these people, ICE agents will be put in prison and be called Gestapo Nazis for just breaking up families.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And there will be no land acknowledgments. By the way, if this country's taken from us, they're not going to be like it was the, the noble Europeans who wants to live here. Like, no, none of that.

[Cliff Maloney]

And that is directly proven by these New York City mayoral polls that show that foreign born New Yorkers versus American born New Yorkers, it is like a hundred percent. The foreign born are supporting Mum Dami and the American born are supporting Cuomo or Sliwa. I mean, it kind of proves the point, right? Like once you come in, how do you push back? I mean, you're obviously talking about ice, but you're right. Like at a certain point, what's the path back? Right? What is the path? You know, once. Once enough folks are here, it's tough to kind of reverse it.

[Tim Pool]

So I suppose it's a difficult question to ask you, Judge Dugan, because you didn't. I don't think you've seen the videos of Kat. So in a light sense, I think the answer is relatively Easy. I would ask you, do you think she should have been charged? Of course. The predicate there is, have I seen the video? Do I know what she's done? But if it's true that she was blocking vehicles from ice, trying to do their job and obstructing these officers, do you think she should have been charged?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

So I think anybody that interferes with official law enforcement, yes, they need to be detained and arrested after you do the investigation. And that goes from whether it's a sheriff in a small town, a police officer in a big city who's actually doing a car stop. You got to let the law enforcement do their job. Now, you'll have your right, but you need to step away so they can do their job. If you want to protest it, don't interfere with law enforcement officers. In fact, our district attorney, you know, there's this talk about the National Guard might come to Philadelphia, and that's Mr. Krasner is out there all the time saying, it's Trump, it's Trump, it's Trump. Well, he actually told me our citizens in Philadelphia to go harass the National Guard if they come to our city. Now, my problem with that is the National Guard is actually us. It's our citizens in Philadelphia. It's the guy from southwest, it's our neighbor. It's a part time job. And what they're doing is they're given an order and they salute the governor or the President and they do their job. They are not our enemy. We need to go ahead and fight. Whatever you don't agree with through the courts, through the governor, through the President. But those National Guards, men and women are doing their duty. They're us. I was an army reservist. They're just doing their duty. Don't go up and harass them. And Krasner actually said, go harass these National Guard. Yet when a young man went up and tried to take some photos of Mr. Krasner with his phone, he literally pushed him away. Just phone away. I mean, so it just is ludicrous that he has this double standard.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Do you, do you think that the National Guard should be deployed into Philadelphia?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

I think there should be some cooperation. I don't think we need the National Guard right now. What we need is we need somebody to cooperate with the mayor of Philadelphia, Cherelle Parker, who's a Democrat who was elected saying, let's enforce the criminal code. She has a forward thinking police commissioner by the name of Bethel. They're working together to try to solve the issues in our City, they don't have the third partner, and that's the District Attorney of Philadelphia, who refuses to hold violent criminals accountable. This is a fact. People that live in Philly know that Philadelphia needs a District Attorney to assist the mayor. Now, I will talk about. The National Guard was in our city a couple of years ago. And what they did was they calmed down all the riots that we had a few years ago, the civil unrest, whatever people want to call it. But when they put those National Guardsmen on the streets in Kensington in North Philadelphia, it calmed down. There were neighbors that came to calm down. So it did work. We should not need them if the District Attorney would do his job.

[Cliff Maloney]

See, but here's the crazy thing. What Pat is saying is what any Democrat would have said 25 years ago, right? Like, it's not like he's saying anything here. That is irrational. That is far right. This was the Democrat. I mean, these used to be pretty bipartisan races.

[Tim Pool]

Aren't you a registered Democrat?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

I am still a registered.

[Tim Pool]

What happened? No, but, but see, that's the point. Like not even 25 years ago, 10.

[Brett Dasovic]

Years ago, 15 years ago, what happened.

[Tim Pool]

To the Democratic Party, where you are now, you ended up as the Republican candidate, but you're a Democrat.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

You know what? There are still a lot of Democrats like me, the far left Democrat voters.

[Cliff Maloney]

Let me clarify this, right, because the leaders, this is what I find the leaders are. They're persuaded by the 20% of the radical activists, the radical donors. But I think you're right because we found that in a lot of the voters. We talked to the voters. There's still quite a few of you.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yes, there are. And again, because of the closed primary system, we get that radical candidate like Larry Krasner, backed by Soros because he was able to dump a ton of money in. And then those former prosecutors and those candidates who wanted to be smart, smart on crime, let's do these restorative justice like veterans court and whatnot, but be tough on violent criminals. They couldn't get the traction because they didn't have the million dollars like Krasner got from George Soros. There's that whatever the hell he's trying to do to our country, he's destroying places.

[Cliff Maloney]

Can we dive in on that? Because I always feel like it's easy to say that. Not you, but when people talk about Soros and like, what motivates him, right? Because he is giving to all of these people that are extremely soft on violent crime. We're not talking about, you know, parking tickets. No what is his motivation like? I mean, I have answers and I think, you know, he's just trying to really take over. But is it, is it purely evil why he's doing this? Like, what gets him going?

[Brett Dasovic]

I don't know what his motivation are, but you can hold a city hostage by not enforcing laws on violent criminals because the citizens who obey the law are kind of at the behest of the police who won't. I mean, even if the police make the arrest, it doesn't matter if the prosecutor refuses to follow through and do his job and the citizens just want to go to work and get home every day safely. A lot of people are stuck because they may have enough to pay their mortgage, but they don't have enough to leave if they want to leave. You know, that's assuming that they even have a job that would allow them to do that. Say they're working remote. But, you know, if you have a company in that city, if you're part of the, the income class that actually contributes to the, you know, to the, you know, to the wealth of the city, you're stuck there and you're held hostage by prosecutors who won't prosecute cases.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I can't. Oh, sorry. I don't know about Soros, his life specifically. I haven't looked into him too much, but I do know about the destructive policies that he's helped promote in this country by putting soft on crime DAs in locations and funding them. What I genuinely believes happens, or genuinely believe happens is when someone participates in activities in their personal lives that, that disfigures them spiritually, either some form of sexual perversity or like ending the life of an unborn child through abortion, harming innocence in any way. And they don't repent, they don't turn to Christ, and they have to be set in their ways. The only option for them is to actually hate things that are good and beautiful and want to see them destroyed. And because it reminds them that there's something in the world besides the crime that infests their conscience every single day. The things that they've done wrong that they don't want to come to terms with. And so when they see an innocent person get hurt by a criminal, they sympathize with the criminal instead of the innocent person, because they haven't come to terms with their own misdeeds or misery.

[Tim Pool]

Loves company.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's a big. And those are the same phenomena, really.

[Tim Pool]

If they can justify the criminal acts or the evil, it makes them feel better about themselves.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. It makes them feel better about their own conscience.

[Tim Pool]

Man, I gotta pull up this next clip for you. This is a huge story. This is a tweet from Colin Rugg. Actually, we. This was from yesterday, but we didn't talk about it till later. So I want to get it in this show tonight. Liberal podcaster Jennifer Welch suggests the Democratic establishment needs to get on board with wanting conservatives dead, or else far leftists will come after you the same way we came after Maga. I'm going to tell you my interpretation of what you said. Um, actually, I'm going to play it for you first so you can decide for yourself before I tell you what I think.

[Jennifer Welch]

Finally, if you think this Zoron thing is happening just in New York and you think people are waking up only in New York City, you're mistaken. Look at this clip of a wine mom at the no Kings march.

[Kat Abu Ghazala]

Play the clip.

[Tim Pool]

Bird's name was Charlie Kirk, ma'.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Am. Yeah, him is horrible.

[Brett Dasovic]

Horrible.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Charlie Kirk is horrible.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. I'm glad he's not here. You're glad he's dead?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Why would you say.

[Jennifer Welch]

Say something like that, ma'?

[Tim Pool]

Am?

[Brett Dasovic]

He was horrible on the campuses, the college campuses.

[Tim Pool]

Horrible person.

[Brett Dasovic]

You know what?

[Seamus Coughlin]

I do the exact same thing. Would you be glad if I would die?

[Brett Dasovic]

Maybe.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'd have to think about it.

[Tim Pool]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Brett Dasovic]

Be ashamed of yourself.

[Tim Pool]

Your friend just said she'd be happy if I died. It's funny, isn't it?

[Jennifer Welch]

So listen up, Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this, or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after Maga.

[Tim Pool]

Whoa. I'm just gonna.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What exactly do you mean by that?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so let's break this down. She showed a clip of someone saying, I'm glad Charlie Kirk is dead and maybe you should be murdered, too. She then said, you better get on board with that or we will come after you the same way we came after Maga. Well, they came after Maga with a gun and put a bullet through Charlie Kirk's neck. So it sounds to me like she is making a veiled insinuation that they will kill Democrats unless Democrats get on board with them killing conservatives. Certainly that is the most extreme interpretation. But I'm done playing games. You could argue two things. If we want to go, if we want to. If we want to give her the lightest interpretation. She said, we hope that conservatives are murdered. And you better also hope they get murdered, too. Otherwise, we will hope you get murdered. But I'm going to go Ahead with. We're going to go after you. The way we treat maga, they're. They're calling for more conservatives to be murdered now. There's more to this period.

[Jennifer Welch]

Stop taking apac. Many go on an I'm sorry I took APAC money atonement tour. If you want to stay in power.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Stop, Apologize to stay in power.

[Jennifer Welch]

These big brilliant rallies. Hakeem and Chuck should have been front and center introducing the next mayor of New York City. But no, they wouldn't show up because they're pussies. They're pussies that are beholden to the same corporations that Donald Trump, that helped Donald Trump get elected. And this is just an embarrassment. Kudos to Bernie, to aoc, to Zoron and that woman out in somewhere middle America saying, Charlie Kirk, he was a racist. He was a piece of. There are so many more of us than there are of them. And these Democrats that continue to play patty cake with corporations and lobbyists. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants you. We want politicians to speak freely and look at what the benefit is.

[Seamus Coughlin]

She wants something I listen.

[Tim Pool]

He wants corporate. She wants the mainstream Democrats to celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk. She wants more of it. She has a million subscribers on Instagram and more on YouTube and they aren't taking this stuff down. And it's also, real quick, sorry, just to throw it to Chamberlain. A society that tolerates calls for the murder of your political rivals is a society that has opened the door to civil war.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Also, like, there's just. I mean, listen, everyone gets a little angry sometimes, but, like, carry yourself with some dignity. A woman of that age should not be throwing that kind of language out. It's very, very unbecoming. I'm serious. There's totally undignified.

[Tim Pool]

I think she should be criminally charged.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Well, it's disgusting what she said. And again, I'm a registered Democrat. And even if you believe what she believes about Charlie Kirk and his positions, dammit, this is America and you're calling for political violence against the opposing party and also people in your own damn party that don't agree with you. I don't agree with her. This is disgusting that we're talking about this in America. This should not be tolerated. I don't care. From the left, the right, the middle. Dammit, what the hell are we doing?

[Tim Pool]

I think she should be criminally charged for incitement or any. Anything else they can interpret. Because I will say this. If we do nothing, this woman makes millions of dollars. Presumably she's got a million subs. She gets Hundreds of thousands of views on her videos. So I can only presume she's making more than a million bucks a year off this show. Plus ad reads probably a couple million. She. If nothing comes of this, you are telling her and every single young person you are allowed to call for the murder of your political opponents. And you will get rich from doing so.

[Brett Dasovic]

And if you're wondering why they feel so emboldened to do do so, it's because they feel so morally justified in their behavior, because their worldview has reinforced that on them over and over again. They are, right, their. I guess, not liberal, their leftist worldview has told them, you are right. What they are saying is evil. Evil deserves to be vanquished. They should. They believe that they have the right to call you evil, have you murdered, and they believe that that is justified. It's one of the most insane things in the world because they. They don't see anything wrong with it.

[Cliff Maloney]

And this is the civil war. You ask, you know, how do we get to a civil war? The civil war within the Democrat Party, right? Within any party. When it's somebody calling for violence, you would hope the adults in the room would stand up and say, hey, that's not the path we're going. Look at the women in that video. These are your typical suburban soccer moms, okay? These aren't homeless people on the street throwing out these crazy things. And so I. I don't want to be a doomsdayer, but I think that that side's going to win. I think the Democrat Party, the ones calling for violence, are going to win. I think that's going to become the mainstream Democrats.

[Tim Pool]

I think we learned in 2020 when Trump refused to send in the National Guard to stop the riots, the worst riots we'd seen in 50 years. The presumption was they're gonna reap what they have sown and learn a lesson and then come voting for Trump instead. The lesson I believe they learned was Trump is president and he won't save us, so they vote against him. Now, Trump is trying to bring the National Guard, send in law enforcement to deal with these crimes and these riots, and he's being obstructed. I believe that if you do not exercise the power you have to put a stop to this, you will lose. So what I'm saying is, if the Trump DOJ does not take action against people who are saying things like this now, by all means. You know, we had on Dave Aaronberg the day. He's a lawyer and he's a Democrat and he said, you know, free speech, you know, you got a lot of leeway and what you're allowed to say. My response is, you've got two choices. You can let her and the others like her call for the murder of conservatives, celebrate their deaths and assassinations while threatening Democrats to get on board as well. You can let her do it or you can suspend her from these platforms, take down the podcast and say we do not tolerate this degree of rhetoric if she is allowed to keep speaking. I hope you are all prepared for what history predicts comes next. Because we referred to this already in a different story as Radio Rwanda. When the left start going out every day on their shows screaming and banging on the table that conservatives must be murdered, don't be surprised if you wake up one day to hear that a bunch of mass shootings happened. Leftist terrorism is already the dominant political like ideology behind terror. They murdered Charlie, according to the mainstream media.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

So here's my prediction. The Trump admin will do nothing over stuff like this. People will say it's free speech. More and more liberals will start adopting this rhetoric because it gets them views. You will get Democratic politicians who will start adopting this rhetoric. And then I don't know what happens in four years when you have, when you have political. So in 2018, I warned we were headed in this direction, where we were going to be. And I said what happens when this culture war, these street battles make their way to the highest levels of government because people grow up and they run for office. And I was told over and over again it would never happen. Well, it's happened and now we had over the past several years under the Biden administration, which we'll get into the story in a second. Arctic Frost targeting conservatives. We had the arrest of Donald Trump and his lawyers, the unprecedented fake charges brought against Trump to steal his property, imprison him and falsely accuse him of rape. It is at the highest levels of governance now. So when I tell you middle aged women calling for the murder of conservatives will bring you in four to eight years, 35 year olds going out with guns and shooting conservatives. You can tell me I'm crazy, you can tell me I'm wrong and I will just say two names. Was it Aaron Danielson? Am I getting that name wrong? Charlie Kirk and I think it was Aaron Danielson. Let me make sure I get that name right. I said I'm going to say two names.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, but this is, I mean it's a very predictable thing. Even without kind of rhetoric.

[Tim Pool]

Aaron Danielson was a Trump Supporter walking down the street in Portland when a far leftist with the communist fist on his neck screamed, we got one right here. Pulled out his gun and put two in his chest. So when I say this stuff will happen, it is not a prediction, it's a description of what already happened and will get worse because no one is willing to stop these people.

[Seamus Coughlin]

There has never been an instance in history where the radical left came to power and didn't do things like this. Their goal has always been to murder innocent people and in particular to murder Christians. And the only time they haven't done that is when they have been sufficiently marginalized by a strong enough right wing movement to prevent them.

[Tim Pool]

So all that needs to happen right now is this woman's show should be banned. Spotify should take it off the air, Instagram should take down her account and they should say, we do not tolerate this level of threats of violence. They're not going to do it. However, it's not going to happen.

[Cliff Maloney]

No, on the rationale should be this isn't that she's wishy washy, she is literally saying that we should murder these people. And the dog whistling, you know I'm a door knocking guy, right? I'm not an influencer here like Mr. Tim Pool, but it's so funny how the dog whistling can play out. 2018, I believe the antifa handbook came out, Mark Bray's book. And he names me because I wrote an op ed in Free in Time magazine about free speech. And at the time I'm like, well, nothing will come of this. You know, who, who cares? You know, it's antifa just doing what they do. But a lot of people are like, no, this is dog whistling to get people to take action, to do things. Well, fast forward to a month ago. We do a rally in Wildwood and this was for Jack Ciarelli, Benny Johnson was supposed to be there. Jack Posobic, Scott Pressler, myself, a bunch of other great patriots. We all had to get security because there were credible threats coming from because we're listed in that book and some radical lunatic sees this. So now me as an activist, a grassroots guy, I've got to have a body guard with me. That to me was like the moment of realizing, hey, this stuff is real and we can choose to ignore it and just think, hey, it's never going to happen to me. But after Charlie, it's like, listen, I'm not Charlie. None of us are Charlie Kirk. But it's a lot closer to home than people think it is.

[Brett Dasovic]

I had a friend who he quit. He had to quit a job. He was, he was in charge of a bakery. He had to quit a job because the people that he worked, worked with dairy found out they were celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. Now these were, I would assume, younger people. And when you think of activists of such a radical nature, you do think of younger people who have been influenced. But that's not what you were seeing in this video. That's your, that's your grandma who watches Jimmy Kimmel. That's your aunt who watches, watches Jimmy Kimmel.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's.

[Brett Dasovic]

All of it has been primed. But the way I've always phrased is like there was this picture, I think I mentioned this on the show like a week ago. Like they posted a picture of Barack Obama and Mitt Romney after one of the debates and they said this was the last time politics felt like it had any sense of decorum. And somebody pointed out, look, far leftists were calling him a Nazi, calling Mitt Romney a Nazi and moderate liberal, that's.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Calling him a Nazi.

[Brett Dasovic]

But that's him saying, so what's happened is that before that, in the Bush era, you see the pictures of the ones calling Bush a Nazi and they were, they were the far left. But now it's not that anymore. It's the mainstream Democrat politicians and they take in the average everyday citizen is taking cues from everyday politicians. They're not getting it from the people talking about the antifa, the antifa handbook or rules for Radicals. They're getting it from the mainstream press.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah. And I, I gotta be honest, that reaction to Charlie, the reaction that we all saw online, Tim, you're probably going to say no, you know, like we should have expected it. I did not expect it. I mean, I did not expect to see the cheering, to see the teachers, the normal folks, the people that are, you know, literally making good salaries, think it was okay to publicly state how happy they were that somebody got shot.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This is not me trying to say I told you so. I 100% expected it. I hate conservative. I 100% expected it.

[Tim Pool]

That, that Caitlin Bennett video where she's asking the, she's shocked. This lady's like, I hope you, maybe you should be murdered as well. And this Jennifer Welch saying, get on board with, with what they're espousing. I don't think conservatives realize what time it is. And I want to give a shout out to Michael Knowles. I'm a huge fan of Michael Knowles, by the way. He's got some of the best videos.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He leaves me speechless.

[Tim Pool]

He does. He does. And Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh, the best guys over the Daily Wire. But Michael, I'm going to give a little critique to. Not that he did anything wrong, but he. He testified before. Before Congress about political violence, and he was very polite, noble, and honorable, and it's what you'd expect of a good Catholic man. But in these times, what ended up happening was it was. I think Senator Welch says, how many of you are okay with the pardons of the J6ers? And they all raised their hand. And then he says, that includes the beat. The men who beat Officer. I think Hodges was his name. And then he pauses for a second and he goes, yep, that includes him.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Him.

[Tim Pool]

And then Michael Knowles politely says, is that an invitation to speak? And he goes, no. And he goes, understood. And that's it. Welch then takes the clip, cuts out Michael Knowles, and says, silence. He says, when I pointed out that they pardoned a man who beat a cop. Silence.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He said he was speechless, controlling words, controlling thoughts.

[Tim Pool]

Now, here's my point, because what I see with this, and I don't mean to be in any way disrespectful Michael Knowles, because I am. I'm a big fan, I love his videos, is that he's. He's playing this political game as though he expects men of honor to discuss these issues in good faith, where this senator literally just pulled it out of context. The whole point was to lie about the views and the ideas of Michael Knowles, which is why you cannot play this game of honor and nobility with people who have no intention of being honorable nor noble. All I'm saying is, in that context, the moment he said, and the people included, you know, the officer, is you immediately jump in and start. And start going off and saying, absolutely not. You are twisting words. But. But my point with this is, again, not to disrespect Michael. It's just a sign to me that conservatives still believe there is this. They think we're. We're actually going through a standard, like legal proceeding with Democrats and liberals. Meanwhile, they're going on their shows to millions of people and saying, murder. Conservatives and conservatives are coming out and being like, we need to lower the temperature in this country and bring people back together. And I'm like, they're saying, kill you over there.

[Brett Dasovic]

And then their side will say the same thing to you. When they're the ones who are, you know, talking about violence, when, after what happened with Charlie Kirk, then the Democrats.

[Tim Pool]

Are like, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Brett Dasovic]

We need to tone down the rhetoric, even Though they know that the people on their side aren't going to atone to that because people on the right were mad about it and we're calling it out.

[Cliff Maloney]

You cannot persuade the devil. I mean, if these folks are brainwashed, right, we think we can have conversations, a lot of those reactions to Charlie. I mean, I have a cousin, a distant cousin, who cheered when Charlie was killed. Now, this is a guy I knew. This is a guy who got assassinated on live television. Everybody saw the video. If you haven't at some point, you will. That's how these things work. I hate to say that. And he knew that I was close with him and for him to pose. Just shut up.

[Tim Pool]

Up.

[Cliff Maloney]

But I'm almost glad that he posted it because now I know that's right. Right. I know what's deep in his heart and I know there is no, there's no coming back from that. And so my advice to a lot of people is don't waste your time, right? Don't, don't get into these battles. Don't let those folks have that power over you. Because you cannot persuade the devil. If they're gone, if they're brainwashed, there's no way to pull them back. And we shouldn't spend any of our energy trying to get evil people to understand when they're never ever going to come back.

[Tim Pool]

So, you know, this might be much more difficult for you to say, Judge Dugan, but my view of these DAs, of these Soros DA's, it's not that they're ignorant of what they're doing in releasing violent criminals onto the streets. It's that they're doing it intentionally to wreak havoc on our communities, to destabilize our system of systems of governance so that they can then swoop in and fundamentally restructure them to a far left ideology.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Well, I can tell you that Larry Krasner's doing it on purpose. And I was. I'm a witness to that. I was a judge for 17 years. In the last eight years, Larry Krasner has been the district attorney. And we went from having a defense attorney in a courtroom and a prosecutor. They both zealously represented their side. After Larry Krasner became the da, we had still had a defense attorney and then we had a prosecutor who was far left off the damn table. It's amazing. Larry Krasner does not train his DA's to be prosecutors. How do I know that? I witnessed it every day in court. More than 70% of the cases that were in front of me would be withdrawn because Krasner's office were not ready to proceed forward.

[Tim Pool]

It's on purpose.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

It is on purpose. When a DA would leave the office, some of them would actually write a letter to the editor and say, it's bizarre, the training that Krasner's doing. It's a Kumbaya. Sit around almost like a religious experience, but nothing to do with how to prosecute. They're sent into the courtroom without a mentor or a supervisor, and they have not a clue. And the defendant walks out, and the victims are left hanging out to dry. Including victims who wind up being murdered later because of his policies.

[Tim Pool]

I think Krasner and many of these other Soros DA's is they are doing this so that the criminals walk. Yeah. It's not so much about they're not training them. It's that they're intentionally saying, we want you to lose. We want the criminals on the street. We see it not just in as. You're making a great point, because we've not discussed the. What I would describe as the faux prosecutions. Typically, what we see from these DA's is they just drop the charges and let them go. But it's really interesting to hear that you're saying in the courtroom, they'd be like, oops, we script the prosecution. Guess. Guess you gotta let him go now.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yes. So obviously, the arrests are down tremendously in the city of Philadelphia since Larry Krasner became the district attorney because he refuses to charge somebody who's arrested. So those cases never make it. The cases I'm talking about are the ones that actually make it, which is a minority of the actual crimes being committed in the city of Philadelphia. We recently had a murder of a young girl by the name of Kada Scott. Kata Scott is a beautiful young woman. She was 23 years old, a cheerleader, Penn State. Just beautiful. Well, she was assaulted and kidnapped and wound up being murdered by this guy named Keon King. The issue with Keon King is Keon King was actually in our courts months prior for another assault and kidnapping of a different woman. So that case, the victim didn't show up.

[Brett Dasovic]

Up.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Despite the commonwealth, the district attorney's office having video evidence of Keon King trying to break into this woman's house. The prosecution withdrew the charges. Instead of putting the video evidence up like any new prosecutor knows how to do, they did not put it up on purpose.

[Cliff Maloney]

What would be. What would be different under a Pat dugan, district attorney.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

DA's who know how to put up video evidence, which is prosecution 101. They're going to have to prosecute. So what makes this case even worse is so Keon King, he's in front of a judge, the prosecution, this Keon King has another case. We're talking about a third case. There's a new arrest warrant. While he's standing in front of the court, the district attorney's office, Larry Krasner's office, does not tell the sheriff, doesn't tell the judge, doesn't tell the police. So Keon King could have been taken into custody. Instead, he walks out of the court. And then what does he do? He goes and he grabs this Kada Scott, kidnaps her. We can't. City can't find her, and we find her body.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

So now he's charged with murder. That's a whole different thing. But Larry Krasner is a co conspirator in the death of Katis Scott because of his policies. And I get so frustrated by this because everybody says, oh, Katis Scott's case fell through the cracks. No, it didn't. A previous family member who had their mother murdered in similar circumstances said they said the same thing about this Gladys Khouriani, and that that case fell through the cracks. That young man testified at the impeachment of Larry Krasner and said it wasn't falling through the cracks. It was a trapdoor that was constructed by Larry Krasner on purpose. And that's what I seen. That's why I quit being a judge. I resigned to run against this guy because it's so frustrating what he's doing to our.

[Tim Pool]

I lived in New York for a while and, like, in the city proper, I don't really care for it, you know, I don't care. I don't. I don't. I don't have great things to say about New York. It smells like sour milk. So when all this bad stuff happens, I'm like, it's bad. It shouldn't happen. But New York. But for Philly, it breaks mark. Because Philly's so amazing.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's funny, I can say this. And we just lived in the suburbs, you know, just the other side of the river. But we go in for cheesesteaks. And. And I'm not from Phil, I'm from Chicago. But we would get our cheesesteaks.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

You remember your favorite place?

[Tim Pool]

I don't. We went to. You have to tell me, because I. I was there for, like. I think might have been like two, two or three years. And so I. I don't know the names but you know that marketplace downtown where they got all the different reading?

[Brett Dasovic]

Is that what it is?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

We go there all the time because you get to try everything and we go shopping in there and then.

[Cliff Maloney]

Did you get cheesesteaks there? Uncle Gus's is probably where you got it.

[Tim Pool]

That's probably what it was. I don't know for sure. All I know is people would show me where to go and it was just awesome. And. And I mean it, because I lived in New York and I can't tell you very much about, you know, the waffles and dingus in New York. Whatever, it's okay. But Philly, man, we loved it. We had so much fun there. We did. We did a big show at. But I don't know if it was Sugar House at the time. Is it. Is it Rivers now or was it the casino?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Rivers is on the Delaware.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, that's used to be Sugar House.

[Tim Pool]

It used to be Sugar House. And so what happened was we were in. We were doing a live show called Ending Violence, Racism and Authoritarianism. That was the show we were doing. It was a very libertarian thing. And this was in Pittman, New Jersey, at a theater far leftists. Two weeks ago from the show threatened to burn the theater down. And so the venue canceled on us. So we reached out to a venue in Philly and apparently the staff there were like. The. The venue was like, great. But then the staff were leftists and threatened to like walk out. Wow. So we went to Sugarhouse instead and did the show there and they accommodated us and it went well. We did have to limit. We. It cut the seats down by. By from a thousand to five hundred, which sucked. But my point is just. I got great memories from our time when we were in South Jersey. I know we weren't Philly guys, but. But we. That's where we would go. We were 15 minutes from the city. So we go in all the time. Seeing all the stuff that's been going on with the crime with Krasner is just. It's so brutal. Cuz for whatever it is, I know there's gonna be New York people who are like, don't rag on New York. Well, you know, New York's what it is. But to see. You know what? I'll be fair. I'll be fair to New York and affiliate to see our great American cities be turned into this. By this. This psychotic ideology. Whatever it is they're trying to do. It breaks my heart. We gotta. We gotta turn around whatever we can now, you know, Back to the initial video that we're talking about in the first place. It's scary when you've got prominent political personalities that hold this view that want to see us dead. So I'm scared as to what this means. As we approach this from a legal standpoint of we got to prosecute the criminals, we got to be fair, we got to be just. We got to follow the law, and they're saying we don't.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and this is so important because the reason people view the world in this way is because of the stories they have consumed. How often have you seen it in the media? A show where you're supposed to feel bad for the criminal? Like, criminals are almost always portrayed. Portrayed in some kind of sympathetic light. Police are usually portrayed in a negative light. You always hear about the protagonist who's a criminal because they're down on their luck. This is part of why we're trying to make media and stories, because you have to create stories that push back against that. We're like, the criminal actually is bad. They're not just doing it because they're hungry or trying to feed their family, but because human beings are defective on some level, we do have malice in our heart. We do want to hurt others.

[Brett Dasovic]

It is funny that you mentioned. We were talking earlier about when things really turned, when it comes like ice and immigration. There are TV shows from 15 years ago that take a very normal stance on immigration or ICE or Immigration Customs Enforcement, all that stuff. It really was almost, like, bottlenecked into just the last couple of years, where suddenly something that was very normal for Americans to believe, which is that you have to come here legally, that's the path forward, is now suddenly considered a far right idea.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, what. What was the thing where you wrapped the pizza and the cheesesteak? You know what I'm talking about. Come on.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

A stromboli.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. There's a thing in Philly that's. That's what. That's what we did. They. They. They make a cheesesteak, and they get a big slice of pizza and they roll it up.

[Cliff Maloney]

Philly taco.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

My wife and my doctor won't let me eat that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Spent, like, two. Two summers in Philadelphia, and I was just more amazed that I could order a slice of pizza to be delivered back in, like, 2000.

[Cliff Maloney]

Listen, the. The food scene in Philly, I don't think people give it enough credit. It's very, very underrated. My new place had just opened up. Skinny Joey's, Joey Merlino. They just opened Up. They actually just bought my. I was from Delco, the suburbs, and they bought the cheesesteak place that I worked at as a kid. He just bought it. So they're opening up, you know, they're starting to expand out. It's got great social media game, but the food's good. The Pats and Geno's thing, I'll say this so you don't have to. You gotta. You gotta appease more people. You know, that's a tourist. That's a tourist trap, right? Pats and Gino is like, okay, if you're not a local, you go, you do the, the experience. But Angelo's, you know, Skinny Joey's. I mean, there's tons of great local spots that are out there. There's Taco baby.

[Tim Pool]

That's what I'm.

[Cliff Maloney]

Even got the grilled onions in there. Look at that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, man, those are great for social media because you get the videos of people making those.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

John's. John's roast pork. Jim Steaks. There's some great. There's dozens of great.

[Brett Dasovic]

Why do we always talk about food on the show?

[Tim Pool]

I was just gonna say worst, I think.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, I'm hungry, bro.

[Tim Pool]

You can't do. We gotta figure out how to get some of these up here. Here May like.

[Cliff Maloney]

I'll work on it. Next time I'm here, I'll bring one.

[Tim Pool]

It's like three hours to Philly from here, right? Something like that.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, about right. Three and a half.

[Tim Pool]

It'll. They'll be cold by the time they get there by get back here. But I, I think we got to have someone drive up, leave super early, order like 20 of them and bring them back and we have them for lunch.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Philly tacos like to be cold by then, though.

[Tim Pool]

That's what I'm saying. We got to. Got to heat them up. But you know, we, we. We suffer for the delicious.

[Seamus Coughlin]

For the cheese steak. We suffer for that cheese.

[Cliff Maloney]

We'll get you one of those. We'll get you some water up. And then I think I'm saying the Skinny Joeys will bring you one of those.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story. This is big news from Fox News. Republicans claim Biden admins enemies list unearthed from Arctic Frost investigation.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Did he write it in crayon? Like Biden made this list four times.

[Tim Pool]

Republicans claim. What do you mean we have the list? There's no claim.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's. That's the problem. That's the tactic they use, right? Is both sides have become so polarized and nobody trusts anything anybody Else says that they're just going to automatically assume it's just some type of apple bulla.

[Tim Pool]

You know my man number one.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The EAPS are Bunny didn't never left me any eggs this year.

[Tim Pool]

His ice cream was melted.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

My.

[Brett Dasovic]

My ice cream wrote it with the auto pen.

[Cliff Maloney]

He.

[Tim Pool]

He ordered his auto pen and didn't come. Sean Davis says breaking new arctic frost Whistleblower documents show that the corrupt Biden FBI subpoenaed bank records donor listen emails of nearly every major conservative organization and leadership in the country, including the Trump campaign, the RNC Conservative Partnership Institute, Save America pac, America First Policy Institute, and even my pillow. Not my pillow.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's clear that they were going after privy information to try and cheat an election. That's the only way. The only thing I can see from this, it makes no sense. I mean this is. This is crazy. Look at this. I'm going to try and zoom in on this.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like actually cartoonishly bad that he would be collecting this kind of information on political opponents. We're going to be told nonstop about how Trump's an authoritarian. I got to say, like Biden's ability to be all of the things that people fear monger about Trump being while he has dementia is really actually kind of inspiring. It's like when they're like women can do anything men can in heels. It's like, dude, Biden can do anything they claim Trump could do with dementia, except only the bad things they fear mongering about.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

And the problem is that the media backs this stuff, so you'll. The average person will never hear about it.

[Tim Pool]

There's even an entry in here for Seamus Coughlin. And they were, they were pursuing charges of theft of cutlery because of the.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Allegations leveled against me by my political enemies. The false smears. I never did that. You know me, you know I wouldn't do that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Lucky that it was spoons. If it was forks, it would have been up to a felony.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

You made the list in Philly that's.

[Brett Dasovic]

Free if it's no charges.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Krasner had a policy if, if you steal something under $500, it's a ticketable offense. He changed the law unilaterally. And our, our retail theft went from 7,000 a year to over 20,000 a year due to his crazy 500 below. It's free. And that's why our stores have left us center city.

[Cliff Maloney]

I don't know if I should be proud of this, but I'm just realizing this. I hadn't seen the full breakdown you're on it. I'm already counting six different packs or organizations that I. Door knock for.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Wow.

[Cliff Maloney]

Right here on the list.

[Brett Dasovic]

List.

[Cliff Maloney]

I'll take that as a badge of honor.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. I want to, like, go through all of these organizations and just be like, all right. That tells me something. If the enemy was afraid of them, then they're probably doing something good.

[Cliff Maloney]

This reminds me when the. The IRS with the lowest learner, when they were denying all the non profit statuses. As I was on that list, they held me up for three years when I was at Young Americans for Liberty. And that came out, it was all alphabetical. And I'm like, please be on here, because there's all these other groups on here. And then the last one was Young Americans for Liberty. But yeah, I mean, this is, you know, when you get inside the documents like you said, Tim, they can say, oh, it's fake, or it's, you know, alleged. It's like, no, we have the documentation. Obviously, they're. They're targeting their political opponents.

[Tim Pool]

Yup. This is absolutely insane. What? It. What? This is just crazy.

[Cliff Maloney]

Andrew Sarabia made the list. He's a patriot.

[Tim Pool]

Compiled by Senate. This is so. So this. I'm trying to understand. Subpoena recipient.

[Cliff Maloney]

So.

[Tim Pool]

So the subjects are in the right. I mean, this is massive. I mean, Save America Joint Fundraising Committee. And they targeted all. All of, like, law offices.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, this is.

[Tim Pool]

This is wild.

[Cliff Maloney]

And every single one of those packs has thousands of donors. Right. So are they investigating them? Yeah, they've got staff members, They've got board members. I mean, you pretty much have probably 20 to 30, 000 people that could be associated with the list that's here year, depending on how deep they went.

[Tim Pool]

Man, this is crazy.

[Brett Dasovic]

The thing is, you look at this list and then the lady from the first segment, she believes that her being, like, arrested for blocking an ICE vehicle is proof of government authoritarianism. But this, they just kind of hold their nose and pretend like they don't see it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Could you go up Angel? Oh, Angel Protection System, Angel Studios. I thought for half a second I almost had a heart attack. I was like, what?

[Brett Dasovic]

Leave my sound of freedom alone?

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. Oh, man.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's crazy, dude.

[Tim Pool]

The Red State llc. Wow. Isn't that the media organization that Red State?

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, yeah, it's them.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's really bad in Murtaugh.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yeah.

[Cliff Maloney]

And it even says, look, documents sufficient to show all employees, including agents and independent contractors. You're talking about anybody that is working for these groups.

[Brett Dasovic]

Not even impressive. To end up on any of those watch lists anymore. They targeted.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Everyone's on it.

[Tim Pool]

They, they subpoenaed Google for the email of. Were they pulling emails from Victory Trump? That's. That's wild. Or their, yeah, their account information. I don't, I don't. I think conservatives need to wake up to what time it is.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

[Tim Pool]

We're.

[Cliff Maloney]

I don't, I don't, I don't get the alarms.

[Tim Pool]

This is insane. Red State Partners.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I can't wait to get a moment to go through all of these. It's very, very disturbing. Yeah, very disturbing.

[Tim Pool]

Targeting Trump. Make America. Make America Great Again Committee, the Republican National Committee, over and over and over again. Ed Corgan. That was crazy, that leaked email. Let me see if I can find that one, actually, because Sean Davis has been posting a lot of this stuff, but there's an email where the FBI is like, Ed Corgan wants bad things for the FBI. So that was their justification for going after him. It's just absolutely bonkers. Let's see if we can. Arctic Frost.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Let's pull this up and read this. Initially designed by Biden era architects to target Trump, the indiscriminate Arctic Frost investigation exploded to include over 430 Republican organizations and individuals. The Senate Judiciary Committee's oversight is far from over. Wow, man. So what do you think happens then if Democrats win again?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, not good things. I don't think they were collecting this information because they weren't trying to prosecute political opponents. I don't think they were going after this. I don't think they were like, trying to do good things with it. We're past the point that even being a worthwhile consideration to discuss. Listen, all I got to say is he who fights half a revolution digs his own grave. Trump actually has to do something about the abuses of power that have happened. He, like, he actually has to do something about it because otherwise they're going to come. They're going to lock him up. They already tried locking him up.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, what is he. Like, what can he do? He's too tepid. Whenever these things. It's like whenever any of these arrests come up and then they just, you know, drop the charges or any of the activist judges that get involved. Involved and block any of the motions.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And like, he's going after some of them, which is good. It hasn't been all bad, but I think he's got to step it up.

[Brett Dasovic]

Can I ask you a question about how do you feel like so much of the media now seems to be kind of around the idea of judges who are blocking orders from the Trump administration. And people are, the joke is now like who has the most power in the country? It's a judge blocking a Donald Trump motion. Like is that something that, does that get to you? The idea that judges are getting involved where seemingly they, they don't have any.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Place to be now judges are supposed to uphold the rule of law. They're supposed to make an independent decision. And anybody who lets their political beliefs come into their decision is not doing their job as a judge. We really have to be the person who's calling balls and strikes based off the law. That's how it should be applied. You have to put your political beliefs, whether you're left or right, put it to the side side. And you know, judges, we have a much higher oath and ethics that we're supposed to uphold. So we should not be activists from the bench, no matter what side you're on.

[Cliff Maloney]

So what do you say? And this is me not having this opinion, but what do you say? You know, a lot of the people that watch this are going to be big America first patriots. I'm looking at the chat, you know, some will say oh but he's a Democrat. He might be a rhino in disguise. How do you respond to those folks and to me, you know, I'll defend you first by saying, saying I'm not here to argue that people should be supporting Cuomo in the race, but I do think you have certain areas where it's very different. You know, when the make the, the makeup of the city is what, 10% Republican. I mean registration, what, what is it currently?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

It's six to one.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Six Democrats to one Republican.

[Cliff Maloney]

So to me a rational Democrat who gets on the line as a Republican compared to Krasner, it's a very easy choice. I mean we're chasing a lot of ballots in the city. Very, very hopeful you pull this off. But what do you say to those folks that would have that objection?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

So the choice is real clear. As you said in Philadelphia, it's continue to support a Soros backed candidate who coddles criminals and is frankly an anarchist or somebody like me. I'm an army veteran, 23 years in the active duty and reserves. I went to Iraq, Afghanistan actually went, went to Iraq after 9 11. I had been out of the army since 1989. So after 911 I went back in as a 43 year old and I went to Iraq. That's how much I believe in the oath and helping Protect American values. I resigned from the bench after 17 years to take on Larry Krasner. I am the person who believes in restorative justice, rehabilitative type justice. I did it as a judge. I had a veterans court program where it was less than 10% recidivism, holistic type of approach. We help these men and women after they came home from war become productive citizens again. But I also, as a Democrat, I'm a Philadelphian, I believe in people who are committing violent crimes. They need to go upstate to prison. That's just a fact. So you call that whatever political side you want.

[Brett Dasovic]

Want.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

It makes sense. Which one do you want? A guy who can walk and chew gum at the same time to be a prosecutor or the guy who wants to coddle prisoners and let everybody out? It's clear choice. Forget the politics, please let's jump to.

[Tim Pool]

This story from the Washington, the Wall Street Journal. Not the Washington, the Wall Street Journal. Pentagon orders National Guard to establish quick reaction forces for civil unrest and riots. The move comes after Trump ordered an expansion of military units for responding to domestic violence disorder. Look at that photo. These guys are ready. The Pentagon has ordered the National Guard to create quick reaction forces in every state and territory by January that are trained and equipped to respond to riots and civil unrest within the United States. The riot control units are a major shift for the Pentagon, underscoring the Trump admins push to directly involve the military in responding to protests and other domestic missions. Okay, this is, this is the Trump admin outright saying he prepares to deploy National Guard for riots. Riots or at the very minimum, they are saying they fully anticipate widespread rioting in the next year. I would argue that we are potentially days away from mass rioting and looting over the Snapocalypse, but Trump says they're gonna get that done, whatever that means. So I don't know if we're gonna see these riots in the short term, but I don't know, it's. It. It looks like the Trump admin is, is, is basically saying at the, at the least, we must be prepared for nationwide civil unrest.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Guys, support twisted plots before the Civil War breaks. All right, let's get this funded before the civil war. Through the civil war.

[Tim Pool]

When the civil war happens. Does everyone got to buy me a Coke?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No. Why would that. Oh, I guess that's kind of true. Honestly, if it does happen, you do also need to buy Tim a Coke. So. So support twisted plots before we get to that point.

[Brett Dasovic]

What does, what does he mean when he says they're Going to get it done?

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't know.

[Brett Dasovic]

He didn't say, and I think he.

[Tim Pool]

Said something vague because I think the Republicans want the snapocalypse to happen. The, the, the, the interest on the debt is quickly rising and becoming one of the most expensive line items in our budget. We cannot continue down this path. No politician will ever come out except Massie and Rand Paul maybe and say, vote for me and I'll cut your benefits. Massey and Rand Paul probably would say that, yes, we're going to shut it all down.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And this is really important. I did a video for the foundation for Economic education back in 2021 about the national debt, because this really exploded even more so than it already had been after the COVID lockdown, bailouts. And one of the things we pointed out in that video was the fact that when you're very seriously in debt, even though people like talking about the debt to GDP ratio and that is important to think about, the real thing to consider if you're very in debt is are you going to be able to keep up with the interest payments? All right. And we're going to get to a point here year where interest payments are going to eclipse federal income tax revenues. So, like, every penny you pay in income tax will go towards paying off just interest on the national debt. It's a very bad place to be in. We're going to have to cut programs before that happens. No political leader is going to have the heart to cut a lot of these programs. So I understand why people are arguing. You just got to let it stop and see what happens. But what we're headed for isn't going to be pretty. I'll just be honest. Honest.

[Cliff Maloney]

Tim, you asked me one time on the show, you said, I think it was my first time, and you hit me with a real tough question. You said, cliff, do you support national divorce? And what you just said, Seamus, is I think, how I answered it, which is I don't ever think it's going to be over some petty policy. I think it's about food, right? It's about livelihood. And so this SNAP issue, what else do the Democrats have in their arsenal as a political weapon to motivate and move people?

[Tim Pool]

Right now they don't have any policies.

[Cliff Maloney]

There's no solutions, there's no policies. They don't really have a leader except soon to be social mayor of New York City mom Donnie. So, yeah, I hate to say this, but if I'm their strategist and you're looking at the drawing board, what Other options do you have than the run it back on the George Floyd riots and to try to push based on that now? I hope that people are kind of awake to the idea that, you know, look, they've done this before. There's not really. It's just driven by emotion. Yeah, but it worked.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I hear you well. And also I hate to say this, man and I, I think Trump has done some things in his second term I've been very happy with, obviously, other things I' been a bit disappointed with him. But regardless of where he's at now, the lesson that Democrats learned from 2020 is when they riot, there will not be the kind of crackdown that there needs to be. Right. They've been shaped in that way. So the likelihood that they try something again, it's not low. I hope that this is a positive sign as dark as it is, that if they do try something, Trump is going to put it down and he is going to stop them from rioting and burning stores down and stealing from people.

[Tim Pool]

As we can see with the cat. Abu Ghaz, Abu Ghazala. I'm trying to pronounce the name right story. They're going to revel in this. They're, they're, they're screaming and cheering, saying yes, because now they're gonna use it to recruit and they're going to say, see, this proves our point. Trump's a fascist.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. There was videos on the EBT of Tick Tock account where they're just. Lady has her, it's amazing. She has a, a full purse of stolen food and she does like a, like a haul video where she shows you all of the food that she stole and it's, it's really. And at the end she encourages other people to go out and do the same.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I fear that nothing can stop what is going to come. Except for maybe a multi series cartoon show that can inspire people to laugh.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And teach them lessons. Twisted plots.com twisted plots.com we're reshaping media.

[Tim Pool]

I did that plug for you, Seamus.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Brett Dasovic]

We need civil war when you have cartoons, wounds.

[Tim Pool]

So if everybody is just plugged in the Matrix, eating, gorging themselves, you know.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, even when, when you, whenever we would talk initially about the concept of civil war and civil unrest, I, my, I guess my, I'm not the smartest knife, you know, the smartest person in the world, but my eyes like when food knife when, when food, when the food goes, is when it goes bad.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Brett Dasovic]

And to me that was More about that was in 2020. So I was like, supply chains.

[Tim Pool]

That's why I bought like 5,000 boxes of pop Tarts.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yes, you were the one.

[Brett Dasovic]

And I used the smart.

[Tim Pool]

This is not a joke. Did you go downstairs?

[Cliff Maloney]

Yes, that's. Wonder why I couldn't get any Pop Tarts.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean? Oh, they're all downstairs.

[Cliff Maloney]

I meant when I was out at the store. You bought them all?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we ordered them.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I.

[Tim Pool]

You know, this is a true story on Amazon. There was a thing said jumbo Pop Tarts and they look big. And I was like, yo, so I bought a bunch.

[Brett Dasovic]

Just regular Pop Tarts.

[Tim Pool]

Regular Pop Tarts at a jumbo box? Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

You thought you were going to get like a, like a gigantic oversized Pop Tartar. See, I may not be the smartest knife in the drawer, but I know that when you buy a jumbo Pop Tart, it's going to be a regular size in a big box.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like I might not be the jumbo is Pop Tart in the box, but. I know, but no.

[Brett Dasovic]

When you talked about it initially, I thought they were talking about supply chains because that was the big discussion in 2020. But the idea that the apocalypse for America would happen over snap is almost like too perfect to.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

So I have to jump in because my mother is talking to me right now from beyond. So my mom, single mother, five children. So I have to tell you that I know what a food stamp is. So there is a safety net that still we have to make sure that we are helping some folks. I agree. There are some people out there that need to be purged from these roles that are running around with their hundred dollar nails, their Gucci bags and all that that has to happen. But we also have to make sure that we don't forget some of those people that really need it. And my mother needed it and she wound up getting her advanced degree in her 40s. Her son became a lawyer, a judge. You know, I have a sister who's a teacher. All my, all my siblings have become productive citizens. Obviously we're nowhere near that the food stamps anymore. Anymore. But there are some times. So I hope that the government understands that, that we still have to have safety nets for some people until they can pull themselves up.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, well. And overall I'm very conservative. I'm right wing. I do agree. In some kind of social safety net. I think that these things have to be done at the local level rather than the federal level. I think that having this large federal safety net makes people less Aware that this is a community function and that they should be grateful to the people around them. One of the huge problems with this being outsourced to the federal government is it builds a sense of entitlement for a lot of people. But, yeah, I said this on the show the other day. I've known a number of people on ebt, food stamps, welfare. Some of them were people who, I would say 1 million percent need it. Like, this person absolutely needs it. Others, it was like, why are you getting any of my taxes? This is actually insane.

[Brett Dasovic]

That was. We had. We had this discussion, we were talking about it yesterday where I kind of made the same point where I was like, look, I'm not willing to throw out memaw who doesn't have, you know, has no, you know, her, no kids, no family, nobody to support her, no help. This. I. I've seen this before amongst, not necessarily people in my family, but people who didn't have any family. And I was like, I'm not willing to throw them out. You know, the baby out with the bathwater. Because corruption is something that needs to be rooted out. And I understand that at the federal level, the rot is so deep. And you look at like, it's like, what was like one in eight Americans are on food stamps or something like that. That's not. Not just somebody's mom. That's a whole lot of other people. And when I referenced that video yesterday about the lady who's like, showing off her stolen food haul, she had the $100 nails and the food was in a Gucci bag.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Well, it's like, I saw that video. Yeah. I do not believe that at this point in time, it's really one in eight Americans who need these subsidies, who need this program. And the unfortunate reality is the important part of any policy, it's not the intentions, it's the incentives. And the reality is, is there is a massive incentive for the Democratic Party to get as many people on these benefits and entitlements as possible, because then you've got a permanent voter.

[Tim Pool]

I think we need a government program to subsidize those in need who are trying to launch cartoon shows like Twisted Plots.

[Cliff Maloney]

Let me make twisted plots.com Two quick points. Twistedplots.com where's that?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Twisted Plots. Thank you. Thank you.

[Cliff Maloney]

So, number one, look, of course we can always say there are people in need. Well, how do we do this before the federal government? Government, you know, handled it. Obviously, the local charities people will call me a radical free market guy, but there was a Time when we were doing this in a different way. Right. We were still helping people, but it wasn't coming from the government. To Seamus's point, when the feds get involved and then taxpayer money from all over the country is getting rerouted back to whatever area, you don't have control to track the corruption. Right. If you want to make changes, you got to do it through the federal government. Whereas if it was done locally, if we were taxed locally, you could argue against some of that at a local city council meeting. You could argue against not just the dollar amount, but the system, the process, how people are using the system or abusing the system. But now it's just out in the ether. Right. We're talking about billions and billions of dollars a year from the feds, and the number becomes too big for any of us to make a difference.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Absolutely. And the people collecting it are less aware now than ever before that someone else had to work for it. They see like, oh, well, the government gave me this money. I'm entitled to it. Whereas in the past, I think people who are on these programs were aware. This is money that came from my neighbors. I got to be careful with it. I should only use this when it's necessary. Which is why you had people like your mother who had five kids and were single women who would say, yeah, of course. Of course I need this.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the post millennial EBT of TikTok launches and access clips of SNAP benefits users threatening violence amid government shutdown goes viral. Well, we got it. EBT of TikTok. It looks just like Libs of TikTok. And let's just play some of these. I hope. I don't. I hope they're not really that bad.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And next week, when millions of people.

[Tim Pool]

Are going to have to resort to possibly stealing in order to feed themselves and their families. And the government complains because they will complain about the crime rate going up, even though they're the ones who did it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Make sure you point your anger at.

[Tim Pool]

The system and the people at the top, because they. They're the ones who took the food.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Away from families and poor people and starving children.

[Tim Pool]

The poor people just want to eat.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They just want to survive like the rest of us.

[Tim Pool]

Lady, you're morbidly obese. What are you talking about?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, there's more.

[Tim Pool]

Not only we not getting food stamps for next month, but y' all want us to spend all the money on.

[Brett Dasovic]

Our cards by the first.

[Tim Pool]

The neither of these people need food. Oh, I wish I got that because, you know your friend who said, oh, I wish I got that because I can barely afford to eat XYZ, but her husband makes like $200,000 a year. Or the one who was like, oh, I wish I got that big of a tax return, but we have to pay. But her husband made $200,000 each. Here, you call her and ask her for groceries.

[Brett Dasovic]

She can't. She's paying her tax bill.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Benefits, getting turned off.

[Tim Pool]

Now, hear me out. In history, the only time that people.

[Brett Dasovic]

Have ever stood up against their fascist.

[Tim Pool]

Regimes, against their tyrannical leaders, is when they get hungry.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's not the only. It's not true. It's actually not true. He's right.

[Tim Pool]

Well, increases the likelihood, for sure. Yeah. Seamus. I think, as everybody knows, the principal driver of the Crusades, for instance, was hunger. And these, these, these knights made their way to the Holy Land because they were looking for bread.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's why, when people say, hey, you're Catholic, how do you justify the Crusades? I go, socioeconomic factors, bro. No, actually I say Muslims had invaded two thirds of the Christian world. And it was defensive. But also. Which is true. But we'll also add here that when we're talking about, like, ebt, food stamps, revolutions, the founding Fathers, they only revolted because of the tea. They were going to starve if they. These were British people. They survived off of tea, all they had.

[Tim Pool]

So, of course, this is an interesting clip right here. This is interesting. Does anybody else think that on October 31st, Trump is gonna somehow have found.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Money from somewhere because he moved funds.

[Tim Pool]

Around and they are not going to.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Take SNAP benefits away? So this hero and oh, my God, I did it.

[Tim Pool]

This is me. You're welcome, everybody. I predicted this is morning because the USDA statement on their website outright says Democrats did this. On the 31st, Trump is going to come out and do a big statement where he's like, we're going to be activating emergency funds because we want to make sure that you get your benefits. Even though Democrats blocked it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He's like, but the thing is, RFK is going grocery shopping with each one of you to make sure you don't put anything in your car. No sugar only.

[Brett Dasovic]

Only the new Coca Cola with cane sugar.

[Cliff Maloney]

This is what happens when you raise an entire generation on the idea of idea that food is a right. That to me, I mean, once again, I don't want to get wonky about it, but food is not a right. Right. But so many people have just been taught that the government is Supposed to do this when you're born and it's like your whole family. This is the way. I mean, the entitlement. Some of those videos. These women are £400 talking to us about how they need this right to food. Why am I paying for their food?

[Brett Dasovic]

And it's right next to the discussion about health care being a human right. And not to say that the health care system in this country isn't an absolute mess, at least as far as insurance goes, shows and all of that, but it's the same thing, right? Nothing that requires the labor of another person can be considered a human right.

[Cliff Maloney]

And I say this with the delicious sugary Wawa iced tea sitting right in front of me, half gallon.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And this is, and I'm. I agree with part of what you're saying, not the other part. This actually might be an area where you and I would agree a little more, but maybe not entirely as well. I do. So, like, obviously, before a certain age, food is a right, but, like, it's a right you have as a child from your parents, or, like, if you've married a man, it's a right you have, like, as a wife from your husband. I do believe these things are rights, but we've gotten confused about who should give them to you. Right. Who is supposed to help you meet your rights and when. It's always the government all the time. What happens? Well, now the family's less important, and there isn't as much emphasis put on it. And it's almost as if it's very important for the federal government to destroy any competing power structure, including the family.

[Cliff Maloney]

I agree with that 100% percent with.

[Tim Pool]

Destroying the family or.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He wants to. Cliff says. He says it right, right here on Tim Cast. He wants to destroy the family.

[Tim Pool]

We have created a system by which whole swaths of our society have been from childhood dependent on the government to survive.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and this is so important, one thing that the left is really good at doing is tapping into your moral intuitions with language that actually does, on its face, promote something positive when they're trying to do the opposite. So they'll something like, we should support our hungry neighbors. Correct. We should support our hungry neighbors. We should not have a massive federal program that redistributes everyone's wealth from all around the country to different parts of the country. And there's no discernment as to who should be receiving the food and who's scamming the system. When these things are done locally, you know, who's scamming the system, you know, who needs the money? Money. They want to make it as federalized as possible because they don't want those discernment calls being made. Like, they want to be the ones who ultimately hold the strings with respect to who gets fed and who doesn't.

[Brett Dasovic]

Is the hard part, the hardest part about this just being that America is the size that it is. So the federal government being the size that it is and the amount of people that it has to help, it's very, very difficult.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it's funny is exactly it. What do you. What do you call it when there are people who have to work, work to pay for the lives of people who don't? There's a class of term. There's a class of people who get portions. So. So we all work. Our portions of our wealth are then stripped from us and given to a class of people who don't work so they can live for free off of us.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. What's that called? What's it called when, like, you have. When your labor is used by other.

[Tim Pool]

People without your consent? Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Is there a term for that?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. I guess not. Maybe it's a new thing we just made up.

[Brett Dasovic]

Look for it on Twisted Plots dot com.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Look, go to Twisted Plots dot com. No, I mean, like, there were instances. Biblically, we're giving, like a fifth or something of your grain was considered slavery. Look, how much are we taxed now? It's like up to 37%. If you're in the highest income bracket, and that's just federally income brackets is 10%. You can, I think, your money to the government.

[Tim Pool]

And we're like, it's 37.5% percent.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And the real question is, like, don't.

[Tim Pool]

Forget your property taxes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes, exactly. The real question is, like, all right, if having to give 100% of your labor is slavery, like, where do we draw the line and say that it isn't right? At some point it's just too much. It's unjust.

[Brett Dasovic]

And depending on how much a person actually works and brings in, like, a lot of these people, a lot of the far left, they love the idea of government so much. Maybe not right now, given the fact that they're not in power, but they love the idea of government so much. What they don't understand is the best way for them to increase their ability to make money would be to tax them less, would be for the federal government to not take so much of every paycheck. But they're kind of just. They've accepted that that is their reality, therefore they want to get theirs.

[Tim Pool]

I hope on the third, I hope Trump just does nothing. I hope it just expires.

[Brett Dasovic]

I don't think that's going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I know. I agree. No, nobody thinks it's going to happen. I was talking to Dave Smith earlier. He's like, no, they're going to do something because it's, it's, it's an economic nuclear bomb. I mean, the system is broken. Broken. The debt is way too high. It's going to implode eventually, but nobody wants to be sitting in the throne when it does.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, there's probably lobbyists involved in this right now, given how many of the companies are. Remember when, like, Remember when it's like, Soda Gate was going on and they were looking at how much, like, companies like Coca Cola lobby the government?

[Tim Pool]

Remember when a bunch of conservatives got paid money to promote ebt?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Brett Dasovic]

The government shouldn't be telling you what you drink.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it was funny how many conservatives were like, they're trying to force us to tell us what we can or can't buy. That's wrong. And it's like, no, they're trying to tell you you can't use our money to buy junk food.

[Brett Dasovic]

And Donald Trump loves Diet Coke.

[Tim Pool]

And they. Right. And they gave all these. And these conservatives all got all sold out to do it because they're fake activists, as it is. And then they also promoted India, which was hilarious.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What is this? I remember that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Such a side quest.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's so weird. I mean, if next time that happens, I'm blocking every one of those people and banning them from the. The show.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, that's a good idea.

[Tim Pool]

Like, dude, I'm not interested in fake opinions for cash. We don't, we don't allow people to pay to come on this show. People come on the show when they have something to say that's relevant, important, and we want to hear what they have to say. But if there are people who are getting paid and they, they don't actually believe what they think and they're. And, And I'm not going to have.

[Brett Dasovic]

I'm not going to mean we have guests who have, like, stepped down from the bench so they can run for office.

[Cliff Maloney]

And what is, what does James o' Keefe say? Your price has to be your life.

[Tim Pool]

I think that's right.

[Cliff Maloney]

It has to be.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He's the man.

[Cliff Maloney]

Because I, you know, somebody asked me that once. They said, hey, you know, you're doing all this stuff. You're Fighting for these campaigns you believe in. You know, what if somebody came in and said, hey, we'll give you a million dollars? You know, is it 5 million? Is it 10 million, is it 20 million? I know Keefe was the first one I ever heard answer that. That was like, there is no price. It has to be your life or you are able to be bought. And that's a big deal. And I think a lot of people that jump into this have no idea because. Because there have been plenty of opportunities where I'm doing a race and somebody says, hey, what if we paid you guys just to not knock doors?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Right?

[Cliff Maloney]

We had a. We had a thing in Florida. We were trying to legalize gaming and the, the reservations. The Indians would come in and they'd offer to pay the people getting petitions. They would offer hundreds of thousands of dollars not to work for them to just go away, just say, listen, all we need, just pull your people out of the field.

[Brett Dasovic]

Is that legal it.

[Tim Pool]

Is that on that. Cause I have a number you can pay me to not to knock on doors. Legalizing gaming, I'm not that heavy on. So if they came to me, give me five million bucks, you'll never hear from me again.

[Cliff Maloney]

Right. But I just, I mean that people don't realize when there's this much. When you're talking federal government, when you're talking budgets and you're talking trillions of dollars, the amount of kickbacks and things and the way they leverage people. Oh, Keith's right. If your price is something other than your life, you're Bible.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, well, and this is. That's. I completely agree. And it's important to remember that. And it's also important to remember. Just going to throw this out here based on everything we've been seeing with these EBT recipients. Again, there are some people who really need the program, but if you're threatening criminal violence, if you don't get it, are you not effectively blackmailing the government, just trying to. I will commit crimes unless you give me money.

[Tim Pool]

Trump. Trump should instruct that anyone on video threatening violence should have their benefits turned off immediately. We got to jump to the story, though. We got massive breaking news from Donald J. Trump. He posted on Truth. He truthed the United States has more nuclear weapons than any other country. This was accomplished, including a complete update and renovation of existing weapons during my first term in office because of the tremendous destructive power. I hated to do it, but I had no choice. Russia is second and China is a distant third, but will be even within five years because of other countries testing programs. I've instructed the Department of War to start testing our nuclear weapons on an equal basis. That process will begin immediately. Thank you for your attention to this matter. President Donald J. Trump. Mr. President, I humbly volunteer for a ride along on one of these tests. This is massive news. The reign of the United States nuclear testing program. I'm not a big fan of where all this is going.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We're going to make Godzilla. We're doing it. We're going to.

[Brett Dasovic]

So wait, the people are honest, the people are hungry and we're talking about nukes. This could go bad.

[Tim Pool]

Very well. I got to give it to. There's a leftist meme where they're like Donald Trump. Food, food benefits are literally being taken away while the President creates a golden. A golden dance hall on the White House. Like it is not a good sign. Yeah, like that. That's going to be great propaganda for the left.

[Cliff Maloney]

Where do you think they test these? Does he say, bro, I don't know.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We're going to find grocery stores.

[Brett Dasovic]

There's not going to be anybody else.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And we're going to turn it red very fast.

[Tim Pool]

I actually, I have no problem if every country was just going to nuke Antarctica because. Because I want to know what's underneath there. Because I think there might be. There's going to be some. We're going to find some lizards.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Candy. Could be candy down there.

[Tim Pool]

Rights to the truth.

[Cliff Maloney]

That's what we do here.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

This is scary as. I mean it really is.

[Tim Pool]

We're talk.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

I mean we can destroy this world a hundred times over with what we all have have. And the fact that we're talking about nuclear weapons again just scares the crap out.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm, I'm actually not worried at all about it because like it's fine. If I go to Washington D.C. and I choose the Titan 3, the. Let's do. Let's. Let's do the Castle Bravo, the largest US Bomb and detonate it. You can see us over here in Harper's Ferry.

[Cliff Maloney]

We're good.

[Tim Pool]

And we are well out of range range of DC being hit.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

That's why you got a Woodbury.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on now, hold on, hold on.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No.

[Tim Pool]

If the largest bomb ever designed were to detonate in D.C. we're. Our windows are going to explode. We're in the shockwave light blast damage radius.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Broken windows stimulate the economy.

[Cliff Maloney]

So.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, things will be great.

[Tim Pool]

Let's take a look at Philly and see how you guys are doing. So. Yikes. Wow. So that's the largest bomb it's, it's likely not what you'd actually see. I think.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean that's not much different than Titan after they win a sporting event.

[Tim Pool]

This is the more realistic the Titan 2 warhead. Because this is an ICBM, we're likely going to see the use of what's called a multiple independently targeting re entry vehicle, a MERV, which can be loaded with between eight and 12 warheads each. And this is the Titan 2 warhead. So the problem with Nuke Map is that you see, see if, if Philly was hit by a Titan II warhead which is 9 megatons, you can see it, it hits everything. I mean, I just want to clarify to everybody, I think where is Gloucester County? That's where I was talking about. I was saying we were in Woodbury, we were like right here. It's literally we get on the bridge and where it was a 10 minute drive into Philly. That's why I was saying we're very, very close to the city suburbs. Basically there's Cherry Hill, there's, you know, Upper Dark Darby. Now the problem is a MERV isn't just going to be one warhead. It's got a pepper all over in this big chunk 12 times. So you're looking at with like this bomb here. Here. It's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna wipe out New York all the way to D.C. with one warhead. One. Now there is still good news for us here in Harper's Ferry in that if the bomb were to hit dc, I'm going to add, I want to add a radioactive fallout out to the detonation. Oh, it's not showing us very well. Airburst bomb. And why isn't it showing?

[Seamus Coughlin]

What about a surface bomb?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I guess, I guess surface. I guess that one. Surface isn't. That's, that's not how they work. Surface detonations are not real.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think surface is just when it's really close to the ground, right? Not actually it's on the ground.

[Tim Pool]

Bombs all detonate above the city to maximize blast damage. But surface detonations, I thought that surface.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Detonation referred to like when it's close enough to destroy the city. And an air burst is when they're just trying to like do an emp.

[Tim Pool]

No, surface is. Oh, I mean, I'm pretty sure. No, I'm pretty sure. Airburst is when it blows up high above the city so the blast spreads downward and surfaces when it hits the ground. Because gravity bombs hit the ground. I believe gravity bombs Hit the ground.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Because they use a kinetic force from the fall to trigger. Well, if it hits the ground. Here's the fall fallout if DC is nuked with a 9 megaton. There you go. Yeah. Not going to be fun.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

So my first experience in the army, I was actually a nuclear biological chemical warfare specialist. So what does that mean? If you have that job that MOS in the army when those bombs hit, your job was to go into that area where with a radiation counter and figure out how bad it was. So that was my job. My very first job in the Army. If there was a nuclear blast, I was supposed to go. They were supposed to fly me with a helicopter and I was supposed to detect how bad it was. I'm glad I got out of that job. Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That sounds like a rough one.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. I'm sorry. Seamus was correct. It says the airburst is when it's high enough that the fireball will not reach the ground. They have very different effects and different reasons. So surface is at or near the ground. So it does detonate in the air still. So actually the good news is if Sarbama were. Were detonated over D.C. it would irradiate the entire center. But Harper's Fairies.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Clear harbor fairies.

[Tim Pool]

Zero blast.

[Brett Dasovic]

Not that going for us.

[Tim Pool]

We've got that.

[Cliff Maloney]

How much did your decision to come here involve the nuke map here?

[Seamus Coughlin]

What if they just a little bit Harper's Ferry, though. What if they like one out of their way and they're like. They're like, we got to get Harper's Ferry.

[Tim Pool]

Can I type in. Let's see. Let's just type in Harper's Ferry, West Virginia and see if it actually. It'll work.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Maybe they will. They were just like, no more.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, poor Martinsburg.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, that's rough.

[Tim Pool]

Could you imagine if they were like, we're going to send a message and bomb Harper's ferry. There's like 10. 10 people who live there.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Ghost of John Brown.

[Tim Pool]

That's not true.

[Brett Dasovic]

It would literally be just a bunch of people who are annoyed that they could never go into Harper's Ferry because it's always so busy on the weekend.

[Tim Pool]

This. This is actually pretty brutal.

[Brett Dasovic]

If.

[Tim Pool]

If the biggest bomb ever detonated. Let's, let's, let's. Let's go down to the largest US Bomb. Fifteen megatons were detonated over Philly. Look at New York getting hit by the fallout. The entirety of New York City is just destroyed, bro. Everyone's gagging and dying.

[Seamus Coughlin]

How long does it take to. Does that fall out take to Read reach.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Is there, like a weather?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, like, I'm curious.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this. 1,000 rads per hour. Wow. What does that do to you?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, that's all cooked. It's horrifying.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Good news.

[Cliff Maloney]

This hasn't happened.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, good news is this hasn't happened.

[Cliff Maloney]

Exactly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What if.

[Tim Pool]

What if Trump nuke term chat.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Are we cooked?

[Tim Pool]

None of it. No, not what if he knew none of it. We don't want none of it. What if he nukes Greenland?

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, if Trump is, like, in, like, a negotiation with, like, a foreign power and he just kind of sets the nuclear football on the table, doesn't say anything, but just sets it there.

[Tim Pool]

Trump just nukes a town of 3,000 in. Nuke. TRUMP nukes. Nuke. There you go. And there's the wind. We can just point it wherever we want. Yeah. What other cities are there?

[Seamus Coughlin]

So we're testing more nukes, basically, is what I'm. What I'm getting out of the story. And we would prefer for those not to go off. We've seen what the damage would be.

[Tim Pool]

Let's nuke Vancouver.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What is. I'm curious what the impetus was for this.

[Brett Dasovic]

Is he leave Vancouver, do Toronto? Nuke Toronto.

[Cliff Maloney]

Canada is definitely unlisting this video.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Like, no way could it be the.

[Tim Pool]

Wow, look at that forth.

[Brett Dasovic]

Look how.

[Tim Pool]

Look how dense the urban. Like, the urban area of Toronto is massive.

[Brett Dasovic]

The Dodgers fans would love for that.

[Tim Pool]

To happen right now. That's actually really crazy. I didn't realize Toronto's urban was so massive.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It is.

[Tim Pool]

I have been to many of these places. Wow. Guelph, what a name. I knew somebody from Canada, got very mad that I insulted their university. I was like, what kind of name is Guelph? And this guy. They got offended because I'm an arrogant American making fun of Canadian Canada View.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Canadians aren't people, Seamus.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't know that. That. I mean, they are technically.

[Tim Pool]

That's a joke. YouTube, calm down.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Technically. Technically, they are.

[Tim Pool]

They are a people, technically. Well, once we conquer Canada and liberate Alberta and Saskatchewan, then we will place the rest of Canada under the. What's the right word? Governance, I suppose, to save Vancouver so.

[Brett Dasovic]

They can still make cheap TV shows there.

[Tim Pool]

I think we should bomb Fort Severn. I don't know why, but there's something about it. Canadians.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So what do you think this is? And why do you think Trump is posting this? Just a negotiation tactic. Something to scare foreign governments.

[Brett Dasovic]

He's like, hey, snap. Benefit people.

[Tim Pool]

Don't even think about it completely unrelated.

[Brett Dasovic]

But.

[Tim Pool]

It'S because Putin is. Has created a new nuke or something like that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, interesting.

[Tim Pool]

That's reporting. Oh, yeah, that. What is it? Something about Chernobyl. We were talking about this last night. Nuclear powered missile. It's not nuclear. It's nuclear powered.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This is so this is my. This is my opinion that so far, so far right, it becomes left wing again. Again, which is. I know we talk about the fact that we should be using nuclear power. It's a very effective form of energy. We won't have meltdowns with current technology. But where I go so far to the right, I come out on the left is I think, like with all the DEI hires and stuff, I actually don't know that we could competently handle nuclear. It's like, maybe we should just go back to coal, dude. Because if they're put in charge of it, we're going to see meltdowns all across the country. They're not going to be picking the most competent engineer. They're going to be go. They're going to be like, we have have the first trans disabled nuclear safety monitor at this plant. It's like, hold on. Like, maybe coal is all right. Maybe we can. Maybe we'll try solar.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe. Maybe we're going to go to your chats and rumble rants.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Tim's having so much fun with the.

[Cliff Maloney]

New time do you spend on new.

[Tim Pool]

Right now I'm looking at super chats and rumble rants.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, that's on the screen. So I thought you were still looking at it.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's so funny.

[Tim Pool]

He's famous.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Asking twisted cartoon. I got a twisted plus.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. The uncensored portion of the show is coming [e-mail] Timcast IRL. But don't forget to join [e-mail] the Discord community. Because community is our strength. When we stand together as individual sticks, we are weak. But when we join together as the mighty Seamus. Knew it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I knew the reference. Simpsons reference. We are almighty.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody wants to say it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, not on air. Are you kidding me?

[Tim Pool]

I think.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think it will get your channel taken down.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think we'll get demonetized if I actually quote the Simpsons.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, if you quote it. But it's just a Simpsons joke. You're just referring to a bundle of sticks.

[Tim Pool]

I just.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's all.

[Brett Dasovic]

We just watched a video yesterday where somebody like dropped that clip in there.

[Tim Pool]

Martin. Martin is like like the single stick. We are Weak. But we come together. We form a mighty. Yes, that's right. We can't say it on YouTube, can we? We'll say it on the uncensored.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But the Simpsons was allowed to say it on air, and that's TV pg. What gives?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't think we'll get in trouble. I think we'll get demonetized. You know, it's. It's language that is frowned upon even in its proper context. So join our Tim Cast discord [e-mail] and stand together and we are stronger. And then we'll have the uncensored portion of the show where I'll play the clip for you you of the joke that we're referencing. In the meantime, let's read your super chats and rumble rants. In fact, rumble isn't loading the rants right now.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Some, by the way, some politician. Some Democrat politician. People resurface the tweet. But he said that basically, like, a bundle of sticks is stronger together. I was like, that is. That's like, literally the central metaphor of fascism. That's so funny. Democrat is like, talking about the fascist.

[Brett Dasovic]

Was where I saw it. I was watching a video about, like, it was like, do you know what the definition of fascism was? And they included that clip in there. The Simpsons clip.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. It's the same root word.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fascist means bundle of sticks. It's not a joke. Was it the fascies?

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think, Yeah. I think it's a weapon.

[Tim Pool]

It's a bunch of sticks strapped together with a blade in the middle. What a stupid weapon. You know, it's a. You know, weapons are really dumb as segmented Asian weapons. What were they thinking? Just flopping around all over the place? You crazy?

[Seamus Coughlin]

You don't think it looks cool at all?

[Tim Pool]

Let's get a sword and hit someone with it. Is that difficult?

[Seamus Coughlin]

You know, I feel like you're really Monday morning quarterbacking the samurai here.

[Tim Pool]

All right, there's no.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I have no idea what they were up against.

[Tim Pool]

There's a lot of samurai use katanas.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I know. But some of them could have had other weapons, and if they did, that's their choice.

[Brett Dasovic]

Socioeconomic fact.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Socioeconomic factors played in.

[Tim Pool]

I couldn't afford a sword, so I made nunchucks. All right. All right, right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Made for great kung fu movies.

[Tim Pool]

Jason Dixon says great third chair segment on the Discord shout out. Yes. It's a new thing we're doing where the third chair host of the show, which would be Brett tonight, but it wasn't Brett. Ian was doing a guest spot on the Discord server. So if you join [e-mail] the Discord community, there are pre shows, early shows, after shows, all that good stuff. And every day at. What is it, 6 o' clock or 6:30?

[Brett Dasovic]

I think there it was like 6:15. Six, like that's. I'm gonna try and work it out next week at some point to be able to get out there. I'm like, I'm literally doing my post production on PCC at that time. So I usually get here between 6:30 and 7. So depending on when I get done, I will try to work that out next week. But it sounds like a lot of fun.

[Tim Pool]

It was a Discord exclusive. Jason Dixon says with Ian Crossland. Indeed. Big Hail fan says, oh, hey, that thing that isn't happening happened.

[Brett Dasovic]

Whoa.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Which thing?

[Tim Pool]

I don't. I don't know. Is it the. The Democrat getting arrested?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Something like that?

[Tim Pool]

Maybe the Democrats attacking police. Jason Dixon with 64 months of Tim Cast membership. Holy smokes, brother. He says 64 months. Tim shut at the Discord shows. Shout out to Slick and Olivia. Great show. Discord exclusive. Only members can see this show. There are tens of thousands of people in the Tim cast Discord hanging out every day, day. Helping each other, building new things, programming video games, accusing Seamus of stealing spoons.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Never done it. You know me. You know I would never do that. You know me.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Millennia. Mama says Snap should mirror Wick. Look up Wick Foods. Is that what is Wick like limited to bread, milk and eggs or something?

[Brett Dasovic]

It's for new mothers, right?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yeah, it's for new mothers. And it's stuff. Diapers, milk, milk, etc. For formula, et cetera, for, I think drug testing.

[Tim Pool]

I think the government should just send you a block of cheese. Yeah, Snap benefits should be a big block of cheese.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

It used to be like that.

[Tim Pool]

I know, it was great. Those were the days.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

It was yellow. No, it was orange. Orange cheese is what it was. Those big blocks that they gave out.

[Cliff Maloney]

Government cheese.

[Tim Pool]

Government cheese. I'm gonna picture it. What was it like war surplus. Right, Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Just Marcus. Interesting.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah. WIC is fresh frozen and canned fruits and veggies. Milk, cheese and yogurt.

[Tim Pool]

No, I thought it was. It was processed cheese was used in military kitchens during World War II. And so government cheese is commodity cheese that was controlled by the US federal government from World War II to the 80s, a byproduct of maintaining an artificially high price of milk through dairy industry subsidies, which produced a surplus that Was in turn converted into cheese, butter, and powdered milk. The excess, after designated use, was stored in 150 warehouses across 35 states, creating a strategic federal food reserve available for unexpected surges in demand. Why'd we get rid of that?

[Brett Dasovic]

You're telling me they took us off the gold standard and they got rid of the government cheese?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Took us off the cheese standard, bro. It should have been.

[Tim Pool]

Was it American? It was American.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Proper country.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it was American cheese. Like Velveeta, I guess.

[Cliff Maloney]

Dairy.

[Tim Pool]

Talk about the best grilled cheese ever. Ever. Government surplus grilled cheese. That's what I'm talking about.

[Brett Dasovic]

Who did this? Reagan written all over it.

[Cliff Maloney]

You ever hear the Massey joke? Is it actually Reagan dairy lobby?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Cliff Maloney]

One of his best. Thomas Massey says his joke. He was trying to cut subsidies to some sort of. Then the dairy lobbyist went nuts, and his late wife Rhonda said to him, you know, I didn't know that the lactose industry was so intolerant. They were protesting his office.

[Tim Pool]

That's a good one.

[Seamus Coughlin]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, what's this? Oh, oh, Canada. That's what it says. It says, oh, Canada. I'm like, what is this? Oh, Canada. Shout out to the Dominion Society. Canada re migration now. Canada will be restored. You mean to, like, the indigenous. The indigenous Canadian population? Because they're doing it. No, no. You saw what happened. What's happening in. In. Outside of. Was it Richmond? I think they're giving the land back to the Native American Americans.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

What?

[Brett Dasovic]

I saw that they did, like, an opposite. Like a different version of the Canadian national anthem at the World Series, too, with some of the lyrics change.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. Are you. Are. Are y' all sad you'll never get to taste delicious government cheese?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, yeah, dude. I think about it all.

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever. Have you ever had it?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

I actually have, yes.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Well, how would you.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

In Philly, we call it cheese whiz when you get it on a cheesesteak. But, no, it was. It was pretty bad. It came in a block, and it was probably about 12 inches long, and it was pretty nasty.

[Brett Dasovic]

But it made you want to get off the government subsidies by, you know, you wanted to go get actual cheese rather than.

[Cliff Maloney]

You don't ever have to try government cheese. I thought you were. You're an optimist now. We're definitely going to have it in the gulags once.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Dude, they're not giving us. Are you kidding me, bro?

[Tim Pool]

High, fat, delicious treat. No way. You're cruel, bro.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yeah, I also had the cheese when we were eating the Sea rations when I was in the army in the 80s, so it was pretty nasty. I think that was left over from World War II as well.

[Tim Pool]

But ch. Cheese whiz is the proper way to do a Philly cheese steak, right?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

No, look, look, we'll disagree on this one, because I say yes Whiz without. That's my Cooper Sharp.

[Cliff Maloney]

You got to do Cooper Whit. Cooper Whit. Onions. That's the new generation. The Wiz is. Yeah, look, when they're stirring the cheese whiz with a Home Depot paint stir, that's what they do at Pats and Geno.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're stirring it.

[Cliff Maloney]

You're right. That is the, the original way. But when they slab that paint thing with the whiz is any cheese that comes in a can to me is not cheese, so.

[Tim Pool]

I know, but that's, that's a legitimate Philly cheesesteak with that paint stirrer.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

And it's still delicious.

[Tim Pool]

It's a, it's so good.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm still very curious about the government cheese, because I do want to know, like, you mentioned, it's nasty, but was there, like, a kind of cheese you compare it to? Like, what does it taste like relative to non government cheese?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

So you know how you, when you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Go private sector cheese, when you buy.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

The, when you buy the individually wrapped cheese.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Supermarket American. Well, make that worse than that, bro.

[Brett Dasovic]

I'm on board. I love that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I know. I'm with him. That's nasty, dude. That stuff's nasty. It's good on something. Like, it's good on a grilled cheese or on a burger, but by itself, it's gross.

[Tim Pool]

Whenever I see the, the craft. White American, and it's like a, it's a blue package with a big white American on it. It just makes me laugh. I'm like. Because that's white supremacy. You can't do that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's actually very offensive.

[Tim Pool]

White American. That's the cheese I eat. It's the only cheese I eat. We don't need anything else but white American. All right, where we at? X 10 man says, I thought Brett's hat said cannabis for sale. It doesn't.

[Brett Dasovic]

My hat, it says can. Oh, yeah, I, I, I brought that.

[Cliff Maloney]

It.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, it says Canada is not for sale. When I was. Because I was in Toronto and then Niagara Falls for my honeymoon, and I was surprised by how much, like, bravado the Canadian merchandise had. Like, they learned something from Trump. They hate him. But now they're all like, o, oh, don't mess with Canada.

[Cliff Maloney]

You got to Judge countries on how they can move merch the only way.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, he was in like the clearance bin. So nobody buying.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're polite to your face, but their merch is scathing.

[Tim Pool]

I had a journalist reach out to me about the Trump 2028 stuff and like, all these news outlets are trying to write about it. And they asked me like, what, what do, what, what do people on the right really think? And I said, no one is talking about it. No one cares. It's like the only reason it became a story is because a journalist asked Trump or asked Ben to about it and then asked Trump. And Bannon gave this very deadpan answer of like, it's going to happen. No one on the right cared mentioned it or talked about it. Then Trump said, you know who? I will see, I guess. And now the media is turning into something that literally no one cares about.

[Cliff Maloney]

You asked me on the Daily show when I did this week, and I had two left wing reporters text me after the show and they're like, well, you kind of gave a non answer, you know, Tim pushed you a little. And I'm like, no, I just don't care.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Care.

[Cliff Maloney]

It's trolling and it's genius because they're just so fixated on him being Hitler or fascist. You know, more power, more power.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Not even just Hitler. They're terrified of Trump becoming fdr. Well, like, Trump's going to go for more than two terms and put minorities in camps and start a world war on a second. He's going to like, be. Have this obsession with gold and take everyone's gold from them. You're like, wait a minute, you know, even. Yeah, there's, there's, there's other parallels I won't even get into.

[Tim Pool]

There's one scenario where I would support a third party term in violation of the Constitution, and that is free Philly cheese steaks with cheese whistles.

[Cliff Maloney]

Free Philly tacos. You got to wrap the pizza, dude.

[Tim Pool]

No joke. When we found out about that, we were like, it's time. And like, we went to the city to go get them and we were. It was amazing. Yeah, it was great. I, I loved the area that we're in. We were in at the time. It was, it was a great area. But the problem was Jersey sucked and we didn't want to move into the city. We were, you know, the, the level of political violence had escalated to a point in the New York area. Like, bombs were planted.

[Brett Dasovic]

What time was it?

[Tim Pool]

Like, what year was this? It was like 2018. Okay. There were Several bombs that were planted in New York. And I was like, man, that. With the riots and the escalation of protests and blm, I was like, I don't want to. I saw where it was going. So we went to South Jersey, and then when the BLM riots happened, we were intentionally in the Jersey side across the bridge. And then we here, like, when the rights are happening, like, no, we're good, because we're not in Philly. We're on the other side. Then we heard sirens and helicopters, and we're like, it sounds kind of loud outside. And we went outside, and we could see the chopper over the bridge because the riders were coming into Jersey. And we were like, okay, now we're not only in an area where the riders are coming, but we're in a peninsula with no way except for that bridge. And we have to leave. We can't be here. And so we wanted to be close enough. Enough to an urban metro and an airport, but far enough out that we won't be hit by the riots and the violence and. And things like that. So that's why we're out here in the middle of nowhere.

[Brett Dasovic]

I traveled a lot of places skating, and one of the. My favorite places that I went to repeatedly was Philadelphia, which I spent, like, probably a total of, like, four months over. A couple of. Over two years there, skating temple, skating downtown. It was just. I loved it there. That was back in, like, 2000.

[Tim Pool]

When you were a judge, did you handle cases, like, in the city proper, like, downtown stuff and things like that?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Absolutely, was a municipal court judge. So I'm a city judge. And yes, everything within. In the city of Philadelphia would come in.

[Tim Pool]

Did you ever get, like, a skateboarder who was trying to skate at Love park in there? For some.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

I thought I knew it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I thought I knew.

[Brett Dasovic]

But I have been to Love park, right?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

And Love park was a national, national, international tourist.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Nation. And then obviously, we stopped allowing skateboarders to use it. Now, I didn't understand why we didn't make a skateboard. A park right there at Love Park. It was a great idea for not international tourism.

[Brett Dasovic]

I can tell you why they don't want to. Because the skaters don't want to go to the skate parks. The ones who love Skating street, they want to be outside.

[Tim Pool]

But. But I think the modern skatepark expansion has. Has proven that to be not. Mostly not true.

[Brett Dasovic]

They've grown out of that.

[Tim Pool]

So Love park is one of the most iconic locations in the history of skateboarding. And I. I think that if you put a park there, it would have kept. It could have done one of two things, brought a ton more skateboarders to the park. But I think it would have. I think the actual answer was to somehow hybridize, allowing skateboarding there in some fitness cash in, like.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like the Brooklyn banks in New York City, right? Yeah. So. So what would end up happening in that sense is that people would meet there, they'd stay there for like an hour or two, and then they would go explore the city. So what you would actually do is give them a place to kind of coalesce and then they just go out and about. They're not going to stay there the whole day.

[Tim Pool]

Skateboarders don't have money.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Oh, yeah. I. I was really upset with the skateboarders in Philly because they would go to our memorials for the Vietnam veteran. The Vietnam. Those who were killed in Vietnam are memorial wall for both the Korean and the Vietnam War. And the skateboarders would come and damage that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's not okay.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

That was something that I was up in arms and was ready to give up being a judge.

[Cliff Maloney]

I didn't realize.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so this. This is actually a huge problem inside of skateboarding. The example I give, we had a skate spot. So these are. Skate spots are basically places you can skate that are. That are private property or public property, but they're not meant for skills skating. And there was one area where I grew up where you could skate in such a way. It was a loading dock, meaning you would jump off of it. There's no damage to anything. When the security would come by and say, guys, you can't be. Here we go. Sorry, sorry, we're leaving, we're leaving. We'd leave. Other kids would come. And what happened was this one group of young kids, younger than us, like three or four years, when the security guard came by and so you can't be here. They smashed all the windows and then ran.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

And then they built fences around it.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's. I mean, that's like one of the most fundamental mental things you learn in the sport is the type of person who gets really upset by it. Like whenever we get kicked out and somebody get mad now, there's times where like, you've been trying a trick for like 45 minutes and a guy kicks you out, your. Your anger gets the better. Better of you. And you're like. But the thing is, most time they kick you out. I'm like, we are doing something wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I am wrong.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It'd be funny also if they call it. He's like, that's the 47th time you've tried that. You suck. You can't skate.

[Brett Dasovic]

But actually, I mean, I'd be like, respect, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Like, it's extreme. Extremely common for security guards. Say one more try, get it?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. And then the dude's gonna go for the trick and then say, okay, you gotta go, you gotta go. But there have been some pretty bad instances. And one thing that really irks me is prominent high profile accounts in skateboarding promote skateboarders fighting security guards.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm like, this is the stupidest thing imaginable and it should not be advocated for. There was this incident happened, I think it was in San Fran. These guys were skating at some corporate building at great marble ledges. They were sliding across press. And when the security guard told him to stop, they basically told him to screw himself. Security guard started the fight. Yeah, he swung on. He's. He. Somebody pushed. He like he tried to grab somebody. He got pushed. So the guard took a swing at a different guy who dipped and then hit him back. The security guard fell down, hit his head and got a traumatic brain injury and had to have portion of his skull removed. And I think it like put him comatose. That skateboarder went to prison and he's probably still there. I don't know.

[Brett Dasovic]

I was always like, I would always ask for, I would, I'd be very curious, like one more try. More often than not, they would give, give me that shot. But for the most part, if you want to talk about like a dark time in skating corporate buildings after 9, 11, that was the, that was the hardest part when you would be out skating.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab this. It's got the Collins effect. It says you need to find the clip of the British mother crying on the news. She is scared for her and her children's lives. She's afraid that one of them will be stabbed at any moment. M. Kelly has the clip. I don't know if you guys saw this, but in the UK people are saying they're on the verge of a civil war right now. Yeah. Because some like Muslim guy just walked up to a random old man and just stabbed in the death to be like.

[Seamus Coughlin]

People there don't realize it's very bad. They're not just headed for being second class citizens like they're, they're headed for slavery. Because that's what Muslims do when they become the majority in a country historically is they enslave the population. And if they are able to abuse your children and stab people without going to jail or with you getting a worse prison sentence for criticizing them them then they'll get for harming you. Like what else do you call that, if not slavery? It's just, it's totally horrifying. It's totally insane. And this is something I like to point out because when you have these far left policies of let's let any criminal out of jail, let's let a 27 time offender back out onto the streets, they'll try to scoff and laugh at conservatives for pointing out where that goes. But it's not like we don't have an example. You look at Europe, you look at the fact that there's rapists who they just let out of jail because they say, oh, they, they didn't know any better because of their culture or they couldn't help it or we didn't give them enough welfare or whatever. It's not like the left doesn't want to do that here. It's not like they're decent people here. Right. They just haven't had a chance.

[Tim Pool]

Antipathy17 says quote, Stop looking into suspicious activity surrounding the Charlie Kirk assassination. You're acting like you have Israel derangement syndrome. Wow. I mean, that's a harsh opinion. Antipathy. I think maybe people should be be looking into what's going on with Charlie. Charlie Kirk. Just because you're critical of Israel or concerned about what's going on doesn't mean you're deranged. Now the people who are pulling up clips of like random dudes standing around and claiming they've got Palm guns or that. So, so I was talking about this earlier. Candace Owens criticized one of Charlie's chief of staff because right after Charlie gets shot, he takes his phone to his ear and he talk. And as they all run out, he walks out on the, the phone. And Ian Carroll and Candace Owens have been like, this is suspicious. Why is he doing it? And I'm like, why is he on his phone? I don't know. There's a million reasons. Someone's on their phone. And then Candace said, you know what I noticed that's strange. He didn't dial. I just, I've, I've not dialed the number into my phone in probably 20 years. I just don't understand. People are turning the Charlie Kirk assassination into a true crime drama. And memes.

[Brett Dasovic]

Wait, is the idea that like he didn't get a call, he made a call, but he didn't push any buttons.

[Tim Pool]

What are they talking about exactly? Because if you watch the video, you can See, this guy, this guy Mike is on his phone. Charlie gets shot, and then he, like, jolts, turns around and starts walking out as people are screaming. And he puts. And he puts his phone to his ear. And then it later, I guess Cole vet and. And the Turning Point team said, yeah, he. He had called Erica or something like that. And I'm just like, he was planning on calling somebody before the shot happened, and then it happened, and he was. He pressed call.

[Brett Dasovic]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I don't. I don't know why that's weird. I don't know why. It's like when we had on the dudes debating Charlie Cook's assassination, and the one guy said Charlie was shot in the back of the neck clearly, and then showed a video where he was like. And that's where he was shot from. That bush is a man crouched down. And I'm like, but that bush is in front of Charlie Kirk. So I don't. I don't understand. Like, what's happening is people are getting millions of views, chasing after true crime drama memes, and they're not actually helping investigate in any meaningful way because people want the sensationalized true crime drama. And it's. It's. It's messed up. I don't know.

[Cliff Maloney]

Yeah, look, I'll say this. I know all those guys, so it's pretty tough for me. I did get to host Charlie show the day after the memorial out there in Phoenix. And my response to everybody is, ask any questions you want. Let's wait and see, you know, as all the facts come up out. But to accuse anybody that is close to Charlie of some nefarious act, I don't really think they have to respond to it. I know they have. You know, they have responded on the show. Andrew's put stuff out, Mikey's put stuff out. You know, talking about. I think Posobics actually done a really good job of kind of doing a deep dive and being willing to talk about it. But they knew Charlie very well. Like, this is a good friend of theirs that they worked with for years. So, you know, my. My response is people can ask questions, but let's. Let's let the facts come out. We've got the trial right now, and I think from there, you know, have your. Have your opinions.

[Tim Pool]

There's some things that Candace put out that I've praised her on. I said that she actually did a good job on covering some of this stuff, but for what reason did she show a picture of. I think Mike McCoy is his name Mikey McCoy? Yeah, Mikey McCoy taking a phone call and then saying, that's suspicious. That's strange. And I'm like, no, it isn't. And why are you accusing. There's like, there's no indication that anything weird happened other than you didn't like that he was about to call someone right before the shot happened. But we don't know what that means. My point is making a video based on that, making a show based on that is literally just memeifying and true crime drama ing nothing. There's nothing to glean. There's no information to obtain by accusing a guy of something strange and untoward. The implication is that he was somehow involved or doing something weird because he took a phone call or made a phone call. You learn nothing from it other than you sensationalize, criminalize, and people. People I don't know, start targeting these people. This is now like, what, like the fifth Turning Point staff who's been accused of some kind of wrongdoing related to Charlie's death. And it keeps changing. It keeps jumping from person to person. I don't know. Whatever, my friend. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. The uncensored portion of the show is coming [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. You don't want to miss it. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim cast. Judge Dugan, do you want to shout anything out?

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Yeah, Judge Duganford, I need help. I'm. My social medias are Dugan for DA. We don't have money. If you could send us five bucks. If you could send us $17.76 so I can defeat the Soros back candidate in the birthplace of democracy in America or 82 bucks for a guy who was in the 82nd airport born. I need help to defeat this guy who is an anarchist who is trying to destroy Philadelphia. I appreciate you having me here.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, thanks for coming. It's. It's an honor and a privilege. Absolutely.

[Cliff Maloney]

Everybody on X Maloney just M a L o n e y. If you want to help us win this New Jersey Governor's race. NJChase.com we got five more days trying to pull it off. $175 covers an entire day of chasing ballots over in New Jersey. Jersey. Appreciate the Tim cast nation guys.

[Brett Dasovic]

Remember, I am the smartest knife in the drawer and you should go to twisted plots.com but if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and X at Brett Dasovic on both of those platforms. What you should do is go check out Pop culture crisis. We are live Monday through Friday, 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time, which is of course noon Pacific. See you there. Guys.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Guys. People get their morality and their values through story. The left currently dominates the primary infrastructure for delivering stories to people. We cann them to continue to do this. They've chipped away against everything you love over the course of several decades here. That's why myself and my team, after making over 600 animated videos, getting over 250 million views with $0 spent on marketing, we're launching a full length animated show. Because we cannot win the culture war if we're not making culture. We're making an anthology series where each episode communicates a good right wing conservative value. Not through ham fisted modeling, but clever storytelling and good jokes. We have a 25 minute pilot finished. If you want to see for yourself, go to twistedplots.com, give us $25. You will be helping us to create the future of entertainment. It's grassroots, it's right wing and it needs your help.

[Judge Pat Dugan]

Bach.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Bach. Like a chicken is this. There are chickens in the first episode. So you can see some chickens balk reference. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right everybody. We will see you all [e-mail] TimCastirl in about 30 seconds. Thanks watching for frying it out.