Democrat Senate CIVIL WAR, UFO CAUGHT Over Volcanic Eruption, Spencer Pratt TO WIN IT w/ Jesse Arm

Summary

Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL – “Democrat Senate CIVIL WAR, UFO CAUGHT Over Volcanic Eruption, Spencer Pratt TO WIN IT w/ Jesse Arm”

Date: June 2, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Jesse Arm (Manhattan Institute), Phil Labonte (All That Remains), Brett Dasovic
Episode Theme:
A sweeping, unfiltered analysis of current US politics, cultural flashpoints, and eyebrow-raising world events, with a focus on division within the Democratic Party, sensational scandals, UFO conspiracy, and the evolving nature of political discourse in the post-truth era.

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Episode Overview

This episode covers three major threads:

1. The “civil war” in the Democratic Party over the Maine Senate primary featuring scandal-ridden candidate Graham Platner.
2. Analysis of political strategy failures, polling difficulties, and meme-driven culture wars—plus tangents on language and memeification in current politics.
3. Viral footage of a meteor and a suspected UFO over an erupting volcano, with a detour into conspiracy theories and government competence/incompetence.

The panel's tone blends irreverence, skepticism, and sometimes dark humor, approaching politics as pop culture and probing whether Americans are increasingly disengaged as the summer political “off-season” unfolds.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. Democratic Senate “Civil War” and Graham Platner Scandal

[01:15]–[17:00]

• Context: The Maine Senate race is thrown into chaos as Democratic frontrunner Graham Platner is rocked by new sexting allegations and a resurfaced Nazi tattoo scandal.
• Notable Quote:
  • “The dude can literally have a Nazi tattoo…Democrats didn't care. He skyrocketed in the polls…Only now that he's being accused of being a sex pest are they actually threatening his campaign.” — Tim Pool [08:12]
• Jesse Arm’s Analysis: Platner’s controversial history (racist, misogynist, Reddit posts; public masturbation jokes; Nazi imagery; public sex talk) didn’t hurt him until the sexting story broke—a sign of “post-truth” politics.
• Polling Deep-Dive: Maine is “impossible to poll,” says Arm. Voters don’t fit neat partisan stereotypes. Susan Collins (R) routinely “overperforms.”
• Democrat Strategy Flaws: Consultants tried to force “gruff white guy” outreach by arranging a crossover with Barstool’s Dave Portnoy.
  • “This is how Democrats think. They just assume… ‘oh, we have a gruff white guy…Press him out there and a bunch of dumb white jocks will vote for Democrats.’” — Jesse Arm [16:43]

2. Political Meme Culture, Disengagement, and Democratic Factions

[21:00]–[37:00]

• Breitbart Clip: Democratic lawmakers discussing period pain as “economic violence.” The panel ridicules this as oversharing and “government solution to biology.”
• Pop Culture Resurgence: Hollywood let “the young white dudes cook” with box office hits; “nature is healing.”
• Politics as Pop Culture:
  • “For politics, people just don’t care right now…politics became pop culture and everyone was just suffering… Now I think we are going to go back to just hanging out with the boys, watching fun movies.” — Tim Pool [26:56]
• Generational Shift in Political Parties:
  • “Republicans adapt to young people.” — Tim Pool [38:21]
  • Trump as a “moderating force”—moves GOP rightward on immigration, more moderate on other issues. Both sides constantly reinterpret the Constitution to suit their current worldview.

3. Party Division and Radicalization

[29:07], [30:37]

• Internal Democratic Civil War:

  • “The Democratic Party is broke. They’re $3 million in debt…They’ve dropped all pretense…‘Shut up, you ugly F---.’ They don’t care anymore.” — Tim Pool [30:37]
  • Donors bypass party and support activist orgs; Democrats “trying to win power through external force,” Republicans via “institutional force.”
  • “If this trend continues, where do you think it goes? That’s going to end with one conflict.” — Tim Pool [31:10]

• Republican Reluctance: Panel says GOP leadership is often afraid to wield institutional power, unlike Dems who “burn it all down.”

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4. Limits of Free Speech – Foreign Agitators & Constitutional Contradictions

[41:02]–[54:06]

• UK Bans on US Commentators: Hassan Piker and Cenk Uygur denied entry to UK—about more than Israel criticism; it's about not wanting disruption.

  • “The UK does not have American style First Amendment protections for speech…If you are coming here just to agitate against this country, you have not been a very good guest and I would like to see you removed.” — Jesse Arm [47:29]

• Principles vs. Survival:

  • “The only thing that’s going to matter is your willingness to uphold your values and refuse to stand down when they come to you and say you must allow me to espouse the destruction of your nation because that is within your principles.” — Tim Pool [62:15]

• On Constitutional Interpretation:

  • “Which interpretation of the First Amendment is the one you're fighting for?” — Tim Pool [49:03]
  • Both right and left re-interpret the Constitution to fit their moment; historical examples about restrictions on blasphemy, gun rights, etc.

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5. Fake News, Post-Truth, and the Power of Viral Lies

[69:18]–[77:14]

• Fabricated News & Disruption: Discussion of how one fake story, meme, or social media campaign can upend political careers, drive wars, or tank economies.
  • “[A] single influential person could choose through nefarious means to disrupt the global economy…It’s kind of scary.” — Tim Pool [73:02]
• Democrat “Scandal Playbook”: Reference to J.D. Vance’s fake cousin-sex excerpt as precedent for the Platner “Mein Fuhrer” sexting meme.
• Algorithmic New Consumption: Younger Americans name no source; news finds its way to them via algorithm and meme, making fake stories especially potent.

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6. UFOs, Conspiracies, and Government Competence

[62:54]–[69:18]

• Viral Meteor/UFO Clip:
  • Panel watches and speculates; odds of a meteor, volcanic eruption, and UFO “one in trillions.”
• CIA Using Gene Databases to Hunt Aliens:
  • “There are humans that are alien to this planet that come from somewhere else and have already hybridized. And the CIA, aware of this, is like, we gotta figure out who the sleepers are.” — Tim Pool [68:15]
• Gallows Humor:
  • “If aliens were coming to Earth, they’d be in a larger vessel… depart in a smaller vessel for domestic travel.” — Tim Pool [65:50]

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7. Defense Spending, Israel, & The Meme-ification of the Culture War

[81:11]–[92:47]

• Aid to Israel/Economic Detours:
  • Israel’s declining PR; panel riffs on memes like “goy slop” and how Gen Z slang turns everything into internet culture warfare.
• Long-term Trajectory for Israel:
  • “They're losing the support of the American people. Give it 20 years and I don’t think Israel funds gets funding from the United States in 10 years.” — Tim Pool [89:36]
• US Spending Preferences:
  • “We have a government that is paralyzed…Let’s get Americans to do work to make weapons to give away. I’d rather that money go to a bunch of communists to just have a drum circle and sing songs. Because at least it’s going to Americans…” — Tim Pool [94:35]

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8. Guns, Rights, and Universal Principles

[95:39]–[104:29]

• Department of Gun Services Satire:
  • “When you turn 16…you’ll be given an AR-15 and a Glock 17, each with [ammo]…as your right as an American under the Second Amendment.” — Tim Pool [95:39]
• Red Flag Laws Discussion: Panel debates the sanity of universal gun rights and due process in red flag law cases.
• Limits of Principle: Tim insists:
  • “They will exploit what they view of your principles. But I thought you said everyone should have a right to keep and bear arms…Yep, except for people I don't think should have them. That's it.” — Tim Pool [97:35]

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9. Fun End: Board Games, Beer, and Chicago Pizza

[119:43]–[126:07]

• Audience Questions: Magic the Gathering, local game shops, pizza and beer recommendations.
• Panel Banter: Tavern-style pizza beats deep dish; Chicago/Detroit pizza lore.

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Notable Quotes

• On Political Scandal and Post-Truth:
  “We are now in the post-truth era, where it's just defame and destroy your enemy…The story is gonna go viral, people are gonna believe it anyway.” — Tim Pool [02:50]
• On Democratic Strategy:
  “Is Platner’s appeal to the Democrats the fact that he’s a white guy and they’re like, well, maybe we can go ahead and kind of reach the ‘normal’ Democrat?” — Phil Labonte [15:45]
• On Meme Culture:
  “It is the normalization of these phrases and ideologies that ultimately puts Israel in a negative light.” — Tim Pool [86:07]
• On Institutional Reluctance:
  “Well, the issue is that there’s a war going on…for many people who are Trump supporters, their attitude is it may violate your principles, but we are fighting an existential crisis…” — Tim Pool [33:05]

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Memorable Moments

• The “Mein Fuhrer” Sexting Meme:
  Both hilarious and emblematic of how absurd fakes become “fact” in political warfare. [08:12]
• UFO Over an Erupting Volcano:
  Conspiracy tangent becomes a metaphor for improbability in politics—and how easily the public embraces wild explanations. [62:54]
• Pizza & Beer Digression:
  Panelist banter about Chicago tavern pizza and cheap beer closes out the night on a human note. [123:06]
• “Goy Slop” Slang Discussion:
  A look at how antisemitic or just irreverent memes spread apolitically via Gen Z, ultimately eroding institutional alliances. [84:29]

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Conclusion

This episode traverses the bizarre state of contemporary US politics where post-truth, memetic warfare, and scandal-by-tweet reign. The Maine Senate primary and Graham Platner’s high-wire survival amid Nazi and sexting scandals is dissected as a case study in the collapse of traditional party vetting and outrage hierarchy.

Broader reflections touch on how the younger generation digests information, the limits of constitutional dogma in a culture war, and the increasingly global—and meme-driven—dynamics of American discourse. Threaded with humor and skepticism, the episode invites listeners to question not only their news sources but the nature of political reality itself in 2026.

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For Further Listening

• Timestamps above allow targeted listening to any key news segment or panel debate.
• Skip to [62:54] for the UFO/meteor segment and [81:11] for culture war/aid-to-Israel discussion.
• Use [08:12]–[17:00] for deep analysis of the Graham Platner scandal and its implications for the Democratic Party.

Transcript

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[Jesse Arm]

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[Phil that Remains]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Brett Dasovic]

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[Tim Pool]

Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Jesse Arm.

[Jesse Arm]

Thanks for having me. Good to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Jesse Arm]

My name is Jesse Arm. I'm vice president at the Manhattan Institute. I'm also a pollster. My background is in data analytics, predictive modeling, and a lot of the kind of numbersy stuff that goes around with politics. And I do a lot of work on political coalitions and policy dynamics shaping our politics today.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. Brett's hanging out.

[Brett Dasovic]

What is going on, guys? Yes. If you don't know who I am, Brett, it's been, what, like a week? Pop culture crisis, Monday through Friday at 3pm you should join us there. But we're going to talk about politics, aren't we, Phil?

[Tim Pool]

We got Carter. Well, that was going to be a surprise, but Carter's pressing the buttons.

[Jesse Arm]

No one saw that at all yet.

[Tim Pool]

But we. I'm pressing buttons and we all. We have our guy back.

[Phil that Remains]

Hello, everybody. Thank you for having me back. I appreciate it. I have been gone for a month because I was out yelling at a stick and enjoying the. The stage playing for all that remains. But it's good to be back. Let's get back into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the news. We got this tweet. It's a screenshot from the Wall Street Journal that reads in one message seen by the Wall Street Journal, Platner refers to his penis as Meinfurer and asks the woman if she would like for Platner to blitzkrieg that ass. Now, this story, of course, has to do with this scandal that is rocking the Platner campaign. And I have to stress this, the funniest thing about it is that dude can literally have a Nazi tattoo. I'm not being light when I say Nazi. Like, he literally had the Totenkampf, the Nazi SS skull and crossbones on his chest. That's not an accident. He got it in Croatia, where Nazi imagery is illegal to be displayed. This is not an accident to have on his chest. For 20 years, people have said he was a history buff. And so when that was uncovered, Democrats didn't care. You know, he did not sink in the polls. He actually skyrocketed in the polls. And I've been saying people need to listen. There are, you know, we had this debate on the show a couple weeks ago. I'm not saying every Democrat is the re are the real racist or the real Nazis. I'm saying there are white supremacists who vote for Democrats for one of two reasons or an overlap, accelerationism and identitarianism. They may understand that Democrats don't like white people, but they still push for laws that would allow racial segregation. And many of these people will take it. So when you get a Democrat with a literal Nazi tattoo for two decades, makes you question it. But here's the best part. Only now that he's being accused of being a sex pest, are they actually threatening his campaign. And Mills, the other Democrat who is the corporate who was running in the primary, is now reminding everybody that she's, she's still running. Now, I do have to stress this. This screenshot is fake. I do not believe he actually called his penis mind fuhrer and asked a woman if she would like for him to blitzkrieg that ass.

[Brett Dasovic]

Doesn't seem realistic if he didn't say the second part in German too.

[Phil that Remains]

I want to believe, though.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you said. Because that makes him sound cool.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, you said. People are saying that he's a, he was a World War II history buff or whatever. There was this guy that used to play in a band called Slayer. His name was Jeff Hanneman, and he was a World War II history buff. He had all kinds of paraphernalia and stuff. He didn't have a tote and cough tattoo. Right. Like, he, he didn't go that extra step to, to really drive it home. I, I, I mean, I'm not sure exactly where Platner's head was at when he got it, but, you know, 20 years. Yeah, 20 years is a long time, long record. I know that.

[Jesse Arm]

You know, a long record of being just a basically bottom of the barrel scum human. I mean, you can run down the list with this guy. Yeah. He is somebody who talked about seeing guys get killed, Purple Heart recipient soldiers fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan get killed. And his comment was that they deserve to die.

[Brett Dasovic]

It was the Reddit stuff. Right.

[Jesse Arm]

He's got a treasure trove of psychotic stuff that this guy was posting on Reddit. I mean, putting the racism, the misogynist stuff, you know, the various different kinds of psychotic bigotry. Aside from the Reddit account, he was also talking about masturbating in public. Porta Potties. Every time he sees a Porta Potty and he smells that blue liquid that fills those Porta Potties, he gets to mastery. He's a grade A sicko.

[Tim Pool]

I hate to. It's true. Here's the story. This is from ABC4. Platner joked about Porta Potty, masturbation and penile graffiti. It's funny because they're like, he's joking when he says he's into these things. And I'm like, or he's not.

[Phil that Remains]

I don't know.

[Jesse Arm]

But it's exactly what you said, right? It's like, so you read this thing from the Nazi tattoo. Reddit brained, far left. He's also obviously said he was a communist, said he was a socialist. You know, now he says he's a socialist. Back in the day on Reddit, he was National Socialist. Oh, he's a communist. Yeah. Nazi, communist, socialist. He's got all the bases covered. And this is who the Democratic Party rallies behind in Maine to to beat big, bad, scary Susan Collins, who is like pro choice and the most centrist Republican in the entire Senate.

[Phil that Remains]

I didn't check the numbers prior to all of this going on, but did it look like he had a chance to beat Susan Collins?

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, he's beating her in most.

[Tim Pool]

He's the favorite.

[Jesse Arm]

But the thing about Susan Collins is she tends to overperform expectations and she's a survivor and she's gotten knocked out in a couple of elections. Now, the polling has suggested that Susan Collins is going to lose leading into election day six years ago. That's what the polling said. And then she came back and why?

[Tim Pool]

Just real quick, I pulled up Kalshee, right? Main Senate winner, Democratic Party, Republican Party, and you can see here that the Nazi scandal had little to no impact on Platner at all. He is just considered the favorite to win. It wasn't until now. He's dropping rapidly. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, he's a Nazi. That's fine. Wait, why?

[Brett Dasovic]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Texted inappropriate things to women. He's gone.

[Brett Dasovic]

Why do you think it is? Since you, you are a pollster, why do you think it is that she overperforms? And then like, obviously has, like you said, like, she gets a lot of stories where it looks like she's doing bad, but then she ends up doing better. Why do you think that is?

[Jesse Arm]

I think there are weird, idiosyncratic reasons. Like Maine is a really hard state to poll with a lot of cross partisan voters. Meaning voters who may be registered as a Democrat or consistently vote for Democrats in presidential election, but are independent minded. You ever see that meme of the guy wearing the shirt? I think it might be in like Vermont, but it's. There's a spiritually similar voter in Maine and the shirt says, I love my AR15 and my trans son. Like, there's a lot of weirdos like that who just have kind of politics all over the map. Hard to pin down ideologically, especially in the Northeast in those backwoods of Maine. But I think that's partially why Susan Collins is such a survivor there. She is actually kind of a centrist. She's willing to buck her party. She's not the way we conceive of, like a political outsider. Right. Someone who doesn't fit into a camp neatly. Oh, that's got to be someone who's super duper populist or super duper, like Maha or granola crunchy. And actually sometimes it can be Susan Collins who's just kind of a pro business milquetoast moderate Republican who doesn't get too animated over cultural issues.

[Tim Pool]

But I think that's why they go for a Platner. If Susan Collins is attacking the middle of the road, then what are Democrats offering?

[Jesse Arm]

So that's why so many people. And basically that's why I think the Nazi scandal didn't break early, because there are a lot of people in the Democratic consultant class who convince themselves that we need someone who doesn't fit the natural paradigm either. We need Graham Platner because he goes on a white supremacist Nazi guys podcast. This is another story. If you look it up, you'll find and says, hey, really excited to be here. I'm a longtime listener and fan because that's what Democrats think. This was the discourse after 2024 too, when Trump won. Right. And the Democrats were this broken party and they were all talking about, we need the liberal Joe Rogan. We're not going to be able to move forward if we don't have the liberal Joe Rogan. And who did they convince themselves was the liberal Joe Rogan. Hassan Piker, who is like a third world, is like simp for Islamist, who doesn't do interviews with a lot of my colleagues at the Manhattan Institute. He's put us on blast a couple of times.

[Tim Pool]

He doesn't connect with regular people. He doesn't talk about regular people issues. He's hyper esoteric. That's the best they can do. Well, now he's banned from the uk.

[Phil that Remains]

I mean, Is Platinum's appeal to the Democrats, the fact that he's like a white guy and they're like, well, maybe we can go ahead and kind of reach the quote, unquote, normal Democrat.

[Jesse Arm]

This is this that strikes at something very accurate. And this is hilarious. Something else that happened a few weeks ago was that a Democratic consultant at a political consulting firm based in New York, I think Slingshot Strategies reaches out to Dave Portnoy from Barstool Sports and tries to get him to participate in some kind of podcast crossover video content distribution event with Graham Platner. Because Graham Platner is going to be talking about the owner of the Boston Red Sox and how he's a grubby, I don't know, private equity guy or whatever, some critique with him. And like, this is how Democrats think. They just assume, oh, we have a gruff white guy running for Senate in Maine. Dave Portnoy is a gruff white guy. Let's reach out to Dave Portnoy and see if he'll talk. It's like, no, dude, Dave Portnoy is Jewish, doesn't hate Israel and isn't.

[Tim Pool]

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[Jesse Arm]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jesse Arm]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jesse Arm]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jesse Arm]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Jesse Arm]

experience like a pro business moderate Republican. He's not going to be positively inclined to doing a pow wow, wonderful, friendly chat with Nazi tattoo psycho Reddit brain guy. You're running for Senate in Maine. It's not going to happen.

[Brett Dasovic]

Was the idea supposed to be that it was. It wasn't going to be adversarial? Like he wasn't going to be pushing back on him in some way? Was Supposed to solely be about the Boston Red Sox and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Jesse Arm]

That they would bro out over the Boston Red Sox and how bad the owner is.

[Phil that Remains]

That seems unlikely.

[Jesse Arm]

I think, I think their logic was Dave Portnoy doesn't like the owner of the Boston Red Sox.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, I mean, but, but, but they

[Jesse Arm]

don't even stop to think, oh, this is exactly the kind of candidate Dave Portnoy would despise.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah. I mean, because, oh, he's a white guy. You think that Tim Waltz is a football.

[Jesse Arm]

We can just trot him out there and a bunch of dumb white jocks will vote for the Democrats. Because.

[Phil that Remains]

Do you think that it's, it's just a lack of understanding what, of what it is that, you know, the, the general conservative or maybe, maybe even the non woke people are looking for. Because if you look at Platner and the things that he said in the past, never mind the, the scandalous stuff, but like the statements that he makes, he's just as woke as, as, you know, Ilhan Omar or aoc. There's no significant light between any of those people. So it's like, is it all just identity with them where they're just like, well, it's a white guy. And we can go ahead and, and put this face out there, but the policies are going to be the kind of policies that, that the Democrats have been pushing and failing on for the past decade.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah. They would never countenance a Susan Collins. Right. Someone who's actually a little bit of a moderate on policy. The Republicans are Donald Trump. It's pretty clear that Susan Collins is not his favorite US Senator, but he is willing to tolerate some amount of ideological diversity within the conservative coalition, especially if that's going to get you a candidate elected. The Democrats are not. That's why Graham Platner is out there. And in practice, he's not more moderate on like economic issues than the median Democrat in Congress. He's the exact same.

[Phil that Remains]

He tends to align more with the further left wing.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, actually you're right. I'm sorry, he's a little bit further to the left.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jesse Arm]

I mean that's the only thing they

[Tim Pool]

can come up with.

[Jesse Arm]

Look at this guy Talarico, James Talarico running for Senate in Texas too. I don't want to take us too far off topic to another race, but here's another guy who they said, oh, he talks about God, he talks about the Bible, He's a, he's a preacher of some kind, he's a pastor of some kind.

[Brett Dasovic]

Unitarian.

[Tim Pool]

Do you know what gaydar is?

[Jesse Arm]

Your gaydar is going wild.

[Tim Pool]

I don't. I don't have a gaydar. But the empty slot where one would have been is on fire. When I see that man speak. You know, I'm not somebody. I mean, to be fair, the joke

[Jesse Arm]

is that Miller called him the first transgender candidate.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's just insulting him. But there's this. There's a scientific study about gay face. And they put random. They showed random people pictures of people who. Men who are straight or gay. And people can like to 70% accuracy tell you if someone is gay based on their face.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm just like, dude, ask any honest person. They see Talariko and they're like, oh, he's gay.

[Jesse Arm]

But this is the thing, as you said, Phil, it's like Talarico was assumed by Democrats to be the kind of candidate who would break through in Texas because he sprinkles in God and Jesus in here and there. What's he saying about God and Jesus? Oh, God is non binary. Oh. Science tells us six biological and abortions allowed.

[Phil that Remains]

Heresy.

[Jesse Arm]

Abortions in the Bible.

[Tim Pool]

And homosexuality is allowed in the Bible.

[Jesse Arm]

Mary wasn't really a virgin.

[Tim Pool]

And Mary and Mary was given the choice to abort Jesus.

[Phil that Remains]

Call the space marines. He's a heretic.

[Tim Pool]

Space Marine.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's like they just read the basic characteristics of them and then didn't get any farther into the oppo research.

[Tim Pool]

Can we. I'd like to talk about the state of the Democratic Party with this video we have from Breitbart. Woke overload. Democrat lawmakers Yasmin Ansari, Adelita Grijalva, and Rashid Tillaib recently at the press conference on how much their periods hurt and how it is economic violence when their employers don't pay women to stay home and work when they're menstruating. Here we. Here we go.

[Brett Dasovic]

Today, we are here to talk about women's pain and how long it's been overlooked. In the summer of 2015, while starting my career in New York City, I

[Tim Pool]

woke up on the floor of my

[Brett Dasovic]

local bodega, drenched in sweat, being dragged into an ambulance. Two male paramedics hovered over me and continued to ask me if I was pregnant. I had passed out from period pain. Even now, every month, I have days where it feels like barbed wire is tightening inside me. I've taken 2000mg of ibuprofen. Ibuprofen in 24 hours and still been in tears from the pain. Often end up on the bathroom floor in the fetal position, crying, moaning or vomiting. Still, I've put on a blazer and gone to work. I've sat in committee hearings, nauseous from the pain, quietly breathing to make my way through it. She will overcome speeches at rallies and run town halls while my body was in full revolt. I smiled for photos while silent, constantly wondering if I might faint right then and there.

[Tim Pool]

Now imagine if she has ended the speech by saying, and that's why I'm resigning from Congress and will continue to advocate that no woman hold any job in public policy ever again. Then I'd be like, now the speech makes sense.

[Brett Dasovic]

She's like, I can't do it anymore.

[Jesse Arm]

What is this? Like, I don't want to hear about Rashida Tlaib's period pain. I don't understand what Congress is supposed to do about your period pain.

[Tim Pool]

We need is like, government has an answer for.

[Phil that Remains]

It's just, it's just women emoting.

[Tim Pool]

What is, it's, what is the government solution to period pain?

[Phil that Remains]

They're going to outlaw. Like, they're going to pass.

[Tim Pool]

We need, we need, like, Alex Stein to do a press conference where he's like, the other night I went to Taco Bell, and then I woke up on my bathroom floor at 3am and it felt like barbed wire. Since no, I was grinding the weight from my insides.

[Brett Dasovic]

He has to advocate for men with a cold, because that's the one that.

[Tim Pool]

With a cold.

[Brett Dasovic]

Same ever seen. Like, women always talk about how men complain when they get a cold. That said there was, like, how you could never handle having a period. Well, you've never understood what it's like to be a man with a head cold.

[Phil that Remains]

All of these women should be embarrassed to be up there. Like, you're, you're literally up there complaining about your biology.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys ever see the story where it was this female scientist working in Antarctica and she wrote this op ed about how it was sexist that they didn't build outhouses at various points throughout Antarctica because when the, when they would go out on a research mission, the guys, if they had to go to the bathroom, they just let her rip. But the women, they can't just do that. It's too cold. And so apparently her supervisor said to buy a funnel. And they were like, then you can sort of stand and do your thing. And she said that it was too embarrassing and it was difficult. And when she tried, she pissed all over herself. And it's just like, you know, it's just crazy.

[Phil that Remains]

Maybe stay home.

[Tim Pool]

The world is sexist. No, no, no. I accept it. I accept it. The world. Human existence is sexist because women can't pee wherever they want and their hoo hoos hurt once a month. That's. That's blame God. I was blame God. But you can't blame men for this.

[Phil that Remains]

They will. They will. They're going to.

[Brett Dasovic]

I was. So I was reading an article earlier about Curry Barker and K Pars and Kane Parsons, who have the two biggest movies in the world right now with Obsession and backrooms. And I was reading this article about how the YouTuber to Hollywood pipeline is actually sexist because to be successful on YouTube and this is their example, they gave the Mr. Beast example where they work long hours, that you're not rewarded initially because you won't make money initially. You got to put a bunch of unpaid labor into it. And women can't do that because they have. They take up all the emotional labor at home and they do the majority of the household duties. I said Mr. Beast was not married when he was becoming famous. All he did was work all day, every day because that was his prerogative. And they were still framing it as if YouTube wasn't a democratized platform because it rewards things that men prefer, like working longer hours.

[Jesse Arm]

On the contrary, I think, like, we are. John Doyle had a post about this earlier.

[Phil that Remains]

Oil's great.

[Jesse Arm]

Starting to see a little bit more. Like, this was the biggest weekend for AMC since, what, Brett? 2019.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Jesse Arm]

Like, people are going back to the movies again.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's fantastic.

[Jesse Arm]

I think part of the reason that might be happening is because it's like they're letting the young white dudes cook a little bit. You know, DEI is. I don't know that it's out the window in Hollywood. There's definitely some of it, but, like, they're letting the young white dudes cook. And now we're getting a great film again.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, I would say nature is healing, right. Backrooms was a resounding success and obsession, but Supergirl is tracking to bomb.

[Brett Dasovic]

So is he, man.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he really just. But. But he, man. Millie Alcock is. Is. Is ragging on dudes and calling her movie Girl power. And she's like, remember 2022? And everyone's like, please, no. It's like, let's do that again. They're like, stop. I want to just say that maybe they're letting the white dudes cook a little bit and things are coming back. But take, guys. It's June 1st. All the major league sports are putting up rainbow flags, man. Okay. So I want to, I want to say, you know, that we routed WOKE for a while, but it's rearing its ugly head once again. Maybe they'll all learn their lesson with, with backrooms and be like, just make interesting, fun things. But here's the thing for us on a show like this, I think the real issue is not that WOKE necessarily was completely defeated. I do think that with Bud Light and Target, we crushed woke. It's just that politics has waned dramatically for the obvious reason the election ended. Yeah, Trump had his first hundred days, then people started to get bored. Now we're half halfway through 2026 already. And I think for politics, people just don't care right now. Nothing's happening right now politically that they can do anything about. Primaries are very hyper esoteric. So people are like they're getting back to what matters, hanging out with the boys, going and seeing a fun movie on the weekends. We used to do these things, remember? And then the, and then politics became pop culture and everybody was just suffering under it. Well, I think we are going to go back to that. I think we're in the eye of the storm. That is, it is passing overhead. We are in the off season, but the midterm races are coming up. This is going to be apocalyptic. If Democrats win, it'll go nuts. You're going to see subpoenas, arrests, going to get freaky. But if Trump wins, Trump going to get freaky. And then we are going to see ignition into 2027 with primaries and then of course 2028 with God knows who is going to run. Maybe Trump just like straps some stem cell IVs to his body and says, I'm going to live forever. And then we get Trump's eighth term,

[Phil that Remains]

you know, 2089, another 40k emperor or another 40 reference with the, the God Emperor Trump just sitting on the golden throne.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Jesse Arm]

That is a very incisive observation, though. And it reminds me a little bit. We were talking about the Talarico stuff and I think you said he's just insulting him with respect to Steven Miller saying that Talarico looks transgender, whatever. Which is exactly right. It's, it's not a very nice thing to say. But you know what happened in response to that? The National Democratic Party's Twitter account responds to Stephen Miller. Can I swear I forget what you said?

[Tim Pool]

Well, we try not to, not to

[Jesse Arm]

say F. Okay, I'm only quoting the National Democratic Party's Twitter account, of course, but responds to Stephen Miller and says, shut up, you ugly F word. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And it's like, I thought it was, like, ugly. Absolutely.

[Jesse Arm]

I think it was a F word, but open to being fact checked in any way.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you're right. You're right. You're correct. In any of you. Ugly.

[Jesse Arm]

F. What do we learn from that? I think Talarico is actually kind of noticing right now, like, oh, crap, I said a lot of crazy stuff at peak. Woke right around 2020, and now, like, the Republicans nominated the less moderate option. Trump endorsed him. Like, he's got his own scandals. I maybe have a shot at being the first senator elected from Texas as a Democrat since, you know, 1988, I think it is.

[Tim Pool]

So he's not going to.

[Jesse Arm]

I got to move. But. But he's at least trying to move off of some of the crazy stuff he said. And the Democrats, because the Democrats are too busy going at Stephen Miller's throat.

[Tim Pool]

This. This tweet, I think is the perfect example, is indicative of a civil war. And what I mean by that is the Democratic Party is broke. They're $3 million in debt, and nobody's donating to them. They've dropped all pretense. Shut up, you ugly F. They don't care anymore.

[Jesse Arm]

They're not trying.

[Tim Pool]

Republicans are donating to the political Republican machine standing up, wearing suits and ties, saying, we should vote and support our candidates. And Democrats are saying fund extremists and terrorists and burn it all down. We are looking at prominent Democrat donors no longer giving money to the Democratic Party. They're giving money to far left extremists and activist organizations.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If this trend continues, where do you think it goes? Democrats are trying to win power through external force. Republicans are trying to win power through institutional force. That's going to end with one conflict.

[Jesse Arm]

And it's why when Republicans have institutional power, they need to be unafraid of exercise.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Well, they're terrified to use it. Look, terrified.

[Jesse Arm]

This is. This crap is going around all over the country right now. Every time I see a protest where, whether it's, you know, the Gaza people or the climate people or the LGBTQIA Alphabet people, and they're blocking a road or they're harassing people sitting at an outdoor restaurant, I just want to scream because I'm like, that's illegal. Do you can do something about that?

[Phil that Remains]

Do you think that the. The. Because we talked about how Republicans aren't really exercising the power that they've been given by being elected. Do you think that they. The primaries so far have kind of shown to the Republicans, hey, look, you need to do the will of the voters. Because I know that, that I think it was Paxton won that won the, the primary in Texas. Right?

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, he had, I know you're going

[Phil that Remains]

to say, and, and the point that I'm making is just there, there were people that were incumbents that were not what you would consider maga, people that were not really interested in doing the will of the voter. Do you think that that's going to change?

[Jesse Arm]

Well, look, the perfect example of that is Thomas Massie, right? You don't get elected to vote no on everything all the time. And then you say I stuck to my principles, but also I voted against like Trump's tax cut, I voted against border funding, like, and you can, and I understand, like the sympathetic view to the libertarian position, but at the same time, if you're not a wheeler and dealer, you're not somebody who's cutting deals in Washington, you're gonna get burned.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the issue is that there's a war going on. And in whatever respect war would mean, there's a psychological war, there is a cultural war. And for many people who are Trump supporters, their attitude is it may violate your principles, but we are fighting an existential crisis. The Libertarians have always been in a wacky position. Like even right now, the Libertarians are claiming Massey could win 2028. I'm going to say this clearly to the camera. There is no reality where Thomas Massie wins a presidential race in 2028. You can bet on it, you can say whatever you want, but like, could

[Jesse Arm]

have won a Republican primary in his own district where he's like, where he has like 100% name ID. I mean, if you can't win there, you're not winning a presidential primary.

[Tim Pool]

But here's the thing. If y' all want to scream AIPAC and Israel, you're allowed to do that. You think he's going to go up against the national machine and win when he's up against, in your mind, you think Israel's gonna, wants to stop him there? You think they're gonna be anywhere near the presidency if you think Israel killed Charlie Kirk? You think Thomas Massie can win a presidential primary and run as a Republican nominee?

[Phil that Remains]

It doesn't make happening. It doesn't make any sense. I don't, I don't understand how someone could say that a seven term incumbent that lost his congressional seat is then gonna go on and win the presidency.

[Jesse Arm]

It's also stupid. It's like the PAC is a collection of Americans who have a lot of independent wealth who think that there's advantages to the United States by having a positive working relationship with, you know, Jewish Wakanda, hanging out in the Middle east. That makes a lot of super weapons. It's like, okay. And by the way, that's not Israel spending their money in our elections to meddle. It's a lot of Americans who have that view. And you can be unhappy with it, but they're wealthy and they're gonna spend a lot of money in politics.

[Phil that Remains]

And I do wanna point out one thing. Like, there's a lot of us sitting here that have been very, very friendly towards Thomas Massey and a really, really good opinion of Thomas Messing. I still do. I still think that he was like, I liked him a lot. I liked his jet clock. That was great. And.

[Tim Pool]

And to be honest, Capacitor, he's a chicken guy, you know? You know, I mean, what did that do again? So it was a chicken coop that was on a solar powered motorized cable system that would slowly move so the chickens were always over fresh grass. And he said that you can see the trail behind the coop is all lush green grass from the chicken poop. Wow, it's amazing. And he built it from scratch. His house out the grave is a genius. Look, I think Thomas Massey is very principled. He's a smart guy. He's a good and honorable man. Out of politics. Exactly. Politics is not a place for a good and honorable man.

[Jesse Arm]

Be an inventor and be a farmer.

[Tim Pool]

But that's why I'm a fan of. And I wish everybody in Congress was like Thomas Massey. The problem is Democrats are not. The Republicans are reluctant in all of their use of power. I have disagree with Massie on a bunch of these issues when he votes against Trump's plans. And I'll say it outright, I understand that the policy position pushed by Trump is going to result in deficit spending. We're already in a bad position. But Democrats are trying to give kids sex changes, open our borders. So we're dealing with an existential crisis on all fronts. Now is not the time to stand up and just be like, I will stand here on this hallowed ground of my principles even as I am washed aflame and burned to death.

[Jesse Arm]

The other thing, Tim, about Massie is that the only time he could ever wheel and deal or operate with folks on the other side of the aisle, it wasn't to sneak in amendments that were going to be helpful for his home district in like, big omnibus spending bills. It was like, let me go shitpost with Ro Khanna and like, get a random guy who appeared in a lineup with some other people in the Epstein files and exposed this dude who's a dentist and dox him for the whole world. Like, this is not stuff that's particularly constructive. That's what his voters felt like.

[Tim Pool]

I will. I agree. I will. The young people of it. I will applaud Ro, Khanna and Massie for fighting on the Epstein issue and wanting to get those documents released flat and of its own principled position. I would like to see the Epstein files released. We want to get to the bottom of this. That being said, I. Come on, man. These guys weren't fighting this stuff when Biden was in office, and they could have. And it's just. I'm sorry, it's. I'll call it bad timing. Trump gets in. Trump flubs the whole thing. Bongino flubs it. Pam Bondi, they all flub it. All of it was bad. The binder gate was bad. All of it's bad. I like the general idea, but once again, the bigger question is, do we want to stand on our principles while we're being fired upon by lunatics, or do we say, guys, we have to win an existential crisis before, you know, you gotta put the oxygen mask on yourself before you put it on the people next to you. So I would just say Massey does well with young people, but now boomers, and boomers ain't gonna be around forever, so I'll be curious to see where this actually goes.

[Jesse Arm]

It's also, young Republicans are a little bit of an oxymoronic demographic in and of itself. Most people become Republicans when they're older people.

[Phil that Remains]

Are.

[Jesse Arm]

You talk. You asked me a question about polling earlier. That's like an important thing to understand about polling. Anytime you see polling of young Republicans, you have to keep in mind that you're looking at a deeply eccentric group

[Tim Pool]

in and of itself, but you've got it inverted. It's not that young people become Republicans. It's that Republicans adapt to young people. So if you look at the. The political positions held by Republicans today, Republicans 10 years ago would have been like, are you out of your mind? Donald Trump unfurled a pride flag at the RNC in 2016, and they applauded him for it. Go back 10 years. Never going to happen. As young people, as the political consultants see, we need to attract people who care about low taxes. And what was the big trend back, you know, 2012? It was socially. It was. It was socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah. Now it's kind of the opposite right now.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Jesse Arm]

But I don't know. I mean, it kind of depends on the issue. No, like, Trump moved the party rightward on immigration. The part the party was. Why not?

[Phil that Remains]

Why?

[Jesse Arm]

Why do you think?

[Tim Pool]

Because back in 2008, everyone was in agreement, left and right, Democrat, Republican, on building a border wall. Even Hillary Clinton said to build a border wall. Trump maintained the position.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, you did have prominent donors like the Koch brothers that were in favor who were in the driver's

[Jesse Arm]

seat of the gop. And there's, you know, amnesty was something that was more on the table. Gang of Eight. I mean, look at Marco Rubio was way more moderate on immigration all those years ago. So I do think.

[Tim Pool]

But ultimately, the Democrats. Build a border wall. Hillary Clinton said build a border wall.

[Jesse Arm]

Yes, yes. Well, the Democrats were more to the right on immigration. Absolutely. But I think the Republicans were more to the left and Trump pulled them to the right. But here's what I will say. You're right on net, Donald Trump. And this is so lost on most people who talk about politics and observe politics. Donald Trump is a massive moderating force on the Republican Party, and that is partially why he's helped them yield a lot of political success, Actually, really interesting,

[Brett Dasovic]

too, considering you're saying that one of the things he did pull them rightward on was immigration, which is one of the biggest cruxes for the, for the liberals is that they have now come so far down the other side on that issue is they're making it seem like everything Trump does is far right when for the most part, he's been moderate in most of his other.

[Jesse Arm]

We've also got people on our side that are a little bit disingenuous about Trump's position on immigration. Right. Suggesting that, like, Trump is not a hardcore restrictionist. Every time Trump talks about immigration, he's like, I want the talented people.

[Brett Dasovic]

I want the smart H1B visas.

[Jesse Arm]

And yeah, and this was, you know, we do have some trouble within the family on this issue. Right. Some internal disagreement. But Donald Trump's position on that is, is selectionist will take the good people and leave the bad ones.

[Brett Dasovic]

The problem is, though, is, like, even if he does have a more open, like, position on immigration, it doesn't actually matter because ICE does so many hype reels and videos that end up giving them bad press that functionally, it doesn't matter because it makes them look uncaring.

[Jesse Arm]

So hopefully that's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the international news here from the BBC. Hassan Piker, Jenk Uygur have been denied entry to the UK by the Home Office. This is BBC reporting. Two left wing content creators have been blocked from entering the UK after they said the Home Office revoked their visas. Hassan Piker and Cenk Uygur were due to speak at south by Southwest London Festival and an event at Oxford. In Oxford, the pair of blast the UK government claiming they were banned for criticizing Israel. I just want to stress. No, they're banned because they're high profile forces that could be disruptive. Many right wing individuals were banned from entering recently as well. There were I believe 11 individuals associated with Tommy Robinson's United the Kingdom rally two weeks ago had their visas denied. I'll say a couple of things. Tommy invited me to come hang out. I don't wanna, I, I don't remember the specifics. You know, we had time in the show and he was like, why don't you guys come to the rally, it'll be fantastic. And my wife and I were like, that sounds like a lot of fun to go to the UK and then ultimately we decided not to pursue it. One of the reasons why is that we ended up getting invited. I got invited to debate at the Oxford Union and I said let's chill because pretty sure if I try to apply for an ETA to the UK they're going to deny me. And the same thing is true for Oxford Union. So we kind of just trying to lay low here because I don't want to intentionally, like if I try to get a visa for China, they just be like, we'd like to inform you you're banned forever. So I'm like, let's just not have that on my permanent record. The point is the UK has been ban hammering tons of people and because of this we've been trying, or I should say I have been trying just not to just, you know, keep my head down for the time being. If we have to go for some reason, I want to be able to. And these are a couple reasons that are pretty good. What I will say is I don't know exactly what his pitch was or what he was supposed to do with the Oxford Union. They invited me to debate the constitution that Donald Trump has betrayed the constitution. And I believe Michael Knowles said that he will be there debating as well. But I'm going to say this, I don't like Hassan Piker. Cenk has got bad ideas, but he's all right. However, if you're, how are you supposed to have meaningful debate if the people who are prominent and influent, influential to debate. Can't come to debate. This besmirches the prestige of the Oxford Union Debate hall because the government is not allowing people to come in and actually have those debate. People have influence.

[Brett Dasovic]

Wouldn't even let Kanye in.

[Tim Pool]

They wouldn't let him in. I think they did. They banned Lauren Southern back in the day as well.

[Phil that Remains]

Lauren Southern, definitely Nick Fuentes.

[Tim Pool]

But here's the best part. Someone on Hasan's chat said, sneak in. And he goes, that's not a thing. You can't sneak into the uk. And I'm just like, that's how you know the dude doesn't read the news. That's how you know Hasan doesn't actually know what's happening in the world. Yeah, like, this is the principal political issue that's led to partially, I should say reform UK and unite the kingdom. That literally people sneak into the country. But, you know, and then someone said, go to Ireland. And he's like, it's not about being in the vicinity. I'm supposed to go to the uk well, welcome to politics, my friend. Ain't going to happen.

[Jesse Arm]

This is the thing. I mean, the UK does not have American style First amendment protections for speech. They just don't. They've cited.

[Tim Pool]

They'll arrest you for praying.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, I mean, we know about that. We see about it all the time. And it's like, I think the reason cited was his presence wouldn't be conducive to the public good. For that's the same reason that they said that Valentina Gomez and all these other people who are going to come participate in the Tommy Robinson event were denied entry.

[Brett Dasovic]

They said the same thing for Kanye. Like, conducive to the public good.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, I buy it. I mean, but look, at the same time, I'm not spilling a whole lot of tears for, like, look, look, at some level, I kind of want America to do more of this, like, as it pertains to foreign nationals indeed, who are abroad.

[Tim Pool]

People want to come here, grant First

[Jesse Arm]

Amendment rights to under our constitution. I don't want people like Hasan Piker coming into my country.

[Tim Pool]

It makes it worse. He was born in the US I

[Phil that Remains]

don't want people like Hasan Piker in our country at all. I think he should be.

[Tim Pool]

But here, here's, here's the issue. Why should, you know, the commentary we see from, you know, Glenn Greenwald and many other prominent liberals is that. And even Hasan himself. This is what Trump has created when they start deporting people for criticizing Israel. And my, my point is, how can a country survive if they open their doors to their enemies to come and espouse a message against them. Now, don't get me wrong, the Israel thing, I get like the conundrum there is Trump and the US as well as Israel and apac, do not want people who are going to come in and advocate against US military strategy, their allies, their spending, etc. However, I think it's fair to say that for many activists, the idea that coming to the United States, like, if you're a student and you're critical of Israel, they deport you, it's like, I'm not, I'm not talking about United States, but again, the argument is you're disruptive to our military alliances or whatever. My point ultimately is, should we tolerate opening our door to tourists and students who are coming here for the explicit purpose of denouncing us and advocating to our young people to hate their own country? You can't survive if that's the case.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This is, this is the reality of politics. You get all these people. Here's my debate, okay? They said the debate that they wanted me to be a part of was Donald, that Donald Trump has betrayed this, the Constitution. And my response is, which one? There is no Constitution. The Democrats have their own version where they believe hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment. The right believes it is. The left believes second Amendment doesn't protect the rights to keep and bear arms, and the right believe it believes it does. The Constitution has been amended and reinterpreted over and over again. The people believe w. Wildly different things. What I can say is this. It is an exploitation of the left onto the right to say you have to stand on your. Your principles of free speech. Meanwhile, they would argue you can't say naughty words. They'll fire you from your job. They will make it so you can never work again, kick you out of your school, ban you from social media and video games if you say naughty words, then argue you have to allow in foreigners into your country under your own principles to disparage your nation. And you. And I say nonsense. Nonsense.

[Jesse Arm]

That's right. That's right. That's. That's, that's exactly right. Look, Mahmoud Khalil comes to mind, right? This is someone who is essentially like you invite a party guest over for a house party and then they come and take a piss on the rug. It's like, I've invited you as a guest into my country to come learn from my university, hopefully earn a degree that leads to you doing constructive. Hopefully my country benefits from that education you receive and you work here. But if that doesn't work out and you come here exclusively to agitate against this country's interests and to engage in civil terrorism day in and day out by blocking roads and interrupting classes and harassing people sitting outdoors at restaurants, you have not been a very good guest and I would like to see you removed.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care.

[Jesse Arm]

I don't get particular. I don't disagree with you that it would be bad if the Oxford Union said, Hassan Piker, we don't want you speaking because.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I'm not putting it up.

[Jesse Arm]

The UK is saying this foreign citizen.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying Oxford has invited him. Yeah, and the UK government is barring it, which besmirches the debate hall itself. That's fair. The idea is Hasan is massively influential among the left, but the politics have made it impossible for the Oxford. And I'm not saying like it's the wrong thing necessarily. I'm saying that how can you have a prestigious debate hall when people are barred from coming to it? Now, that being said, part of the

[Jesse Arm]

problem is that the global left has elevated Hasan Piker as one of his spokesman for its causes. Someone so grotesque and anti Western that the UK is literally saying you cannot.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but they're banning Tommy Robinson's friends too. And many of those guys are pro Israel. I know the ultimate issue is this. The sooner the American traditionalists, like actual American Republicanists, understand the nature of a Constitution, the sooner we actually see them fight back and win. And the point is Republicans, conservatives say things like I believe in the Constitution. You then get a person like Hassan who challenges you under your interpretation to uphold the Constitution while not caring whatsoever whether they do or don't. That is the right. I hear this all the time from people on the right where they say, I support the Constitution, the left doesn't. And my response is, which interpretation of the First Amendment is the one you're fighting for? 1781-1791-1829-1956? Tell me where you draw the line on which constitutional First Amendment you're actually agreeing with. Because if you want to go back to the founders, then blasphemy is illegal. There are a lot of conservatives that want that to be the case. My point is this. The Constitution just means the body politic. And right now there are two in this country. So you got to decide what you are willing to stand up for. And this idea that you're fighting for the founding Fathers visions is just not correct. It can be correct in the sense that they open the door to amending the Constitution so that we can do things a little differently as times change. The problem now is you have two distinct worldviews. And one says, we don't care about what is written down. The other does. If the right is constrained by their interpretation of the Constitution and the left is not, the right will be flattened.

[Jesse Arm]

Well, generally speaking, progressives are not advocating for amendments to the Constitution. They're advocating for re selective reinterpretation. That just confirms their current worldview. So is the right advocating for the Supreme Court to reinterpret the Constitution as our conservatives to be more accommodating to

[Tim Pool]

their worldview and the conservatives are too?

[Jesse Arm]

I mean, what do you like?

[Tim Pool]

Like what comes to Mindy v. Heller, McDonald v. Chicago. The original interpretation of the Second Amendment was that the federal government could not take your guns, but the laws were left unto the states to deal with themselves. That meant if Virginia wanted to ban guns, they could, but the federal government couldn't send armed forces to come and take your guns away. In 2008, the right decided, and I love it because I agree with it, that this federal protection should extend and constrain the states as well, despite the fact we have a 10th amendment which is supposed to protect the states from this. So conservatives like to say, I believe in the Constitution. I'm like, yeah, well the 10th amendment would stop you from forcing Virginia to be held to the federal constitutional standard. The states were supposed to be allowed to enforce the laws as they saw it. And if you didn't like Virginia, you'd move somewhere else. We can say the same thing with basically all of them. My favorite right now is the seventh Amendment, in which case we actually, the seventh Amendment doesn't even exist. The right to civil trials for things, we adjust to inflation. Seventh Amendment protects your right to a jury trial on civil matters. $700 or more, that seventh amendment, you have no guarantee of this. They can force you into arbitration even though it's a constitutional right. So ultimately, my point is, you take a look now at the 14th Amendment and the left and the right are both arguing what it's really supposed to mean. And the left says it means anyone who comes here and is born as a citizen. And the right says, no, it meant anyone who was born. It doesn't matter if you think you're right.

[Jesse Arm]

That's a good example of the right seeking to, you know, playing the reinterpretation role. Because the plain reading of the 14th Amendment is probably closer to no, I

[Tim Pool]

agree with the Right. I agree with the right.

[Jesse Arm]

I agree with the right too.

[Tim Pool]

But the idea was that when they said anyone who was born here is a citizen, they meant past tense, not future. They were saying if at this point, if you were born in this country, we are stating you're a citizen. They didn't mean for it to be. And moving infinity into the future, everyone will be a citizen. The idea was the 13th amendment abolished slavery except in the instance of a duly convicted crime. And the 14th amendment made sure that slaves were citizens. That's why Even with the 14th Amendment, it didn't include Native Americans. It was specifically, you're a slave, you were born here. As of today, you're all citizens. Slavery is gone. And then the left in was it Wong Kim Ark or whatever in like 1890s reinterpreted that under a textualist argument to say literally everybody from any point moving forward is going to be a citizen. My point ultimately is we can say we are right about what the Constitution is supposed to do. There are many areas where the conservatives are completely wrong. Like, let me ask you a question. Do you think, let's say you're walking down the street and there's a guy standing on a street corner and he blurts out Christ is not king. Should he be arrested? Yeah, but the founding fathers thought he should be. The Founding Fathers blasphemy was illegal.

[Jesse Arm]

I believe the Founding fathers probably would have had some amount of internal disagreement.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely not. It was a crime. And people were jailed hardcore for blasphemy. Up to the mid-1800s when we had the Supreme Court ruling that confirmed the conviction of a man who said something to the effect of Christ is not King.

[Jesse Arm]

It was a universal Unitarian contra freedom of religion.

[Tim Pool]

No, because we didn't have freedom of religion. Freedom of religion in 1789 meant you can be a Protestant or a Catholic. You had to affirm Jews, but it didn't matter. It says they could not hold office, hold office in United States.

[Phil that Remains]

But in the First Amendment it doesn't. It doesn't say that. It doesn't say that you have freedom of religion. It says the Congress shall make no law respecting a religion.

[Tim Pool]

And the reason. Reason why is because the states did. I think Jews could hold office back then. They could not. You had to be an avowed. You had to express a belief in a Christian God. And so this started to get amended out of state state constitutions and laws in the mid to late 1700s. Maryland. So most of the states required you to profess a faith in a Protestant God, except For I think Virginia, because Jefferson was a deist and said, just believe in God and you're good. In which case Jews could. And then you had Maryland, which was Catholic colony, so they didn't say Protestant, they said whatever. And I think Connecticut was similarly. They started to remove these provisions or amend them into the 1800s near the end of the 1700s, specifically because they were Catholics and Protestants that were kind of at odds. So when they said freedom of religion, if you look at what's actually going on, they were saying, you have a freedom to be Catholic or Protestant. Was. Was basically it in the. In the early to mid-1800s, some guy was a universal Unitarian. He blasphemed. And this was the last time it went Supreme Court. And they upheld his conviction. And then I believe the formal end to blasphemy was 1956, a Supreme Court interpretation. So this is my point. A conservative today who says the left reinterprets the Constitution, I would argue you are doing the same thing right now. Not to be fair, a lot of Christian conservatives would be like, okay, let's go back to blasphemy laws. Christ is king.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, probably.

[Tim Pool]

But I think the evolution of this country politically has been to allow anyone to worship as they see fit. That defies the Founding Fathers vision for this country. Now, to be fair, the Founding Fathers had amendments as a part of the Constitution so that these things could change and a Supreme Court to interpret these things. But here we are today questioning whether or not we should support the Constitution while not for the large part being cognizant of the fact, and liberals are, that we are just choosing the values of the collective on the right, which is a disparate collective of various individuals, various different political factions, libertarians, conservative maga, populists or otherwise, neocons, the liberals, the left, like Hassan Piker. You go to private meetings with these people, activist meetings, they will tell you explicitly. They know everything I said. Their whole postmodernist worldview is the truth is what we decide. And they will lie to you so they can get power. If the right is not aware of these issues pertaining to the Constitution and the body politic, then they will get crushed by a manipulative left that will exploit their good faith in American institutions. And they've been doing it for a long time. Again, when they say to you, do you believe in free speech? And you're like, yes. Then why would you ban the Muslim foreigner who came here espousing jihad? It's like, well, because he wants to kill me. Oh, but you believe in free speech, right? Listen, I say free speech. I mean that if you're an American citizen, if you were born here and you have criticisms of the governments, no matter what they may be, even if you're a jihadi or whatever, you're allowed to do it. But the idea that we invite foreigners to come in and expand upon that dissent and to inflame it or fund it is insane. The idea that we would allow foreign nations, be it Qatar or Israel, to fund political sentiment in this country and manipulate it is insane. And then they go, but don't you believe in free speech? No, not that. Free speech. You want to go back to the founding fathers? Fine. No blasphemy. Get all these foreign countries out here. Everyone's got to say, crisis king. Obviously we're not for that. In which case, you asked me what I'm for in terms of free speech. The right of an American citizen to express their political worldview.

[Jesse Arm]

American citizen being the operative world word there. That makes the Mahmoud Khalil situation a little bit more flexible for sure.

[Brett Dasovic]

I just wonder how much of that is just because we become such. Like so much of the country is inflamed now around the idea of immigration, that this is just not something that people were thinking about even 15 years.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, scale is always an issue. I talk about this with censorship because I love this. This line I get, you know, these liberals who never watch this show and have no idea what I think, they'll be like, aren't you an anti censorship guy? And I'm like, no, I love censorship.

[Jesse Arm]

I'm.

[Tim Pool]

I'm a huge censorship proponent.

[Jesse Arm]

Michael Knowles was talking about that just yesterday because of the context of this.

[Tim Pool]

Because of his song.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I have maintained this position since the whole fight over woke censorship and big tech censorship began. First, private platforms can ban whoever they want, I think. So the issue becomes scale if the president can only meaningfully communicate in a privately owned stadium. You've created a public harm when you ban random people through private choice. This is why we have something called publicly owned private spaces. There are special rules pertaining to property when. So this is this. This pretends to Occupy Wall street. Hence I've always had this position. Somebody bought a piece of land in Manhattan, turned it into a park. The city then says, okay, it's privately owned, but it's a public space, therefore public rules apply. You cannot ban people willy nilly. It's going to be considered public now. So my argument is the line in which Twitter or Facebook acts now loses their right to ban People, willy nilly is when they become monopolistic, and not even necessarily monopolistic, but duopolistic or tribalistic, whatever it might be. There's like three big tech platforms for communication. If you are to ban someone from any one of those platforms. The idea that I can go to Facebook is not correct if Facebook is banning me. So the other thing too is censorship is good. Censorship means getting rid of gore, child abuse, you know, crime videos, advocacy for crime. These things are all good.

[Jesse Arm]

Fire in a crowded movie theater.

[Tim Pool]

That's actually allowed. That's always been. Yeah. Brandenburg v. Ohio.

[Jesse Arm]

We can yell fire.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, that is a myth. This goes back to what like 1930, was it? 60s, I think, where the Supreme Court explicitly stated you are allowed to yell fire in a crowded theater. Yeah, that, that. Somehow that got inverted.

[Jesse Arm]

How come that seems dangerous?

[Tim Pool]

Because you have a right to free speech. The idea of yelling fire in a crowded theater when there isn't one can create panic, but not imminent lawless action. So indeed you can. In fact, you could own a cannon too. There's something that we hear a lot from liberals. They say, you're not on a cannon, are you? You are. I can have a musket. I've actually got a, I got a musket right behind me. I have a Civil War Union musket and I can fly in a plane with that thing. Oh yeah, indeed. They're. They're not considered firearms. They're. They are old. So you can, you can, you can carry a flintlock pistol on your, on your, on your belt anywhere, every state.

[Phil that Remains]

Yep. An artifact.

[Tim Pool]

You can carry a.50 caliber musket ball, powder and packing material and the musket. And it is not considered carrying a gun.

[Jesse Arm]

You just have to do that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, indeed.

[Jesse Arm]

Loading thing.

[Tim Pool]

What is that called? Muzzleloaded. Muzzle loaded. I wonder about paper cartridges. From old school breech loading muskets. When they first invented them with the old Civil War slugs. Those might qualify as firearms, but the cartridges are made of paper. So they would take a piece of paper, they'd put the slug in it, they'd pour the powder, and then they'd twist it. And then you breach, you break barrel and slide it in and close it and they put a percussion cap on it. The hammer hits the cap and sends a spark into the fire. So the Union had that. The Battle of Gettysburg. That's how they crushed the Confederates. But that's a whole other thing. Anyway, long story short, guys, you need to understand that the only thing that's going to matter is your Willingness to uphold your values and refuse to stand down when they come to you and say, you must allow me to espouse the destruction of your nation because that is within your principles. You simply say no. For the principle of free speech under the First Amendment only exists so long as we defend this nation from those who would seek to destroy it. And if you would seek to use the first or Second Amendment to destroy the rights under the first or Second Amendment, it becomes oxymoronic, it becomes moot and paradoxical, in which case I no longer respect your right to retain those rights under, or to be protected under those amendments. Yeah, indeed. Now, aside from all that, let's. Let's talk about some fun stuff. We got this from the New York Post. Viral video of rising light after meteor streaks past erupting Philippine volcano sparks alien frenzy. But scientist has explanation. An explanation. In my opinion, that is wrong. But you know, who am I? I'm not a scientist. Here's the video. Actually, there. You know what? There, there is some audio on this one, so I don't think it's any significant audio. Watch this. Look at that. Just wait, there's more. It's not over yet. So we just saw meteor flying past the volcanic eruption and now comes the ufo. That thing's got a tail. It appears to be lighting up the atmosphere around it. It's a bright light. It looks like the clouds that the moisture in the air is being illuminated by it. Now this Harvard guy says, ah, it's probably the passing satellite. My question is, if you can see the satellite, why can't you see the stars?

[Phil that Remains]

It's an alien.

[Tim Pool]

Aliens. That proves it.

[Phil that Remains]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

The other thing too is if it's a satellite, why does it appear to be illuminating moisture in the air around it? So again, here's this thing. Look at that. That's amazing.

[Phil that Remains]

Big meteor.

[Tim Pool]

Could it not have anything to do with that thing? I guess I. I don't know how it would, but.

[Jesse Arm]

Oh yeah. Yo, I was thinking, it comes to

[Tim Pool]

come off, look, and it bounces, right? Look where the meteor lands. It comes literally from just where that line is. It's the exact same spot.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

It's the exact same spot.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So who knows? But I asked Grok, I said, what are the chances that a meteor strikes near a volcanic eruption followed by a satellite flying overhead? And it's like the odds of all of that occurring in the same city is one in trillions. But who knows?

[Phil that Remains]

It's unlikely.

[Tim Pool]

Who knows?

[Jesse Arm]

Wait.

[Phil that Remains]

Hit.

[Tim Pool]

Apparently it.

[Phil that Remains]

It didn't hit the volcano. It landed behind the volcano.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, is. But. Or did it just burn up?

[Phil that Remains]

Well, yeah, it.

[Tim Pool]

But look at that. That's crazy.

[Phil that Remains]

You don't see, like, an impact.

[Tim Pool]

All right, now, here's what gets crazier. May 28th. I. I believe this happened on the 25th, right? Yeah. May 25th is when we saw this fireball at the meteor yo in Boston on Saturday. There was another meteor, and there was a sonic boom and two earthquakes in South Carolina all within, like, a couple of days of each other.

[Phil that Remains]

They. Meteor in Boston, they think actually landed in the Gulf of the Cape.

[Tim Pool]

Or it was an alien vessel.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, landed.

[Tim Pool]

Here's what. Here's what I'm saying about this. Let's get conspiratorial, right? If a UFO was coming to Earth and it was traveling light years through space, would it not have a smaller personal vehicle within it? Like, possibly when. When. When I. When. When you. When people drive with, like, trailers and they got their camper on the back of that camper, they'll have bicycles.

[Phil that Remains]

Bicycles.

[Tim Pool]

Or you don't drive your class A, you know, tour bus into the city and then say, hey, let's go to McDonald's. We'll take the tour bus. You go, nah, I'm gonna take an Uber or a rental or something and leave the tour bus. It's too big. So my point is, if aliens were coming to Earth, they'd be in a larger vessel. And then when they're land. After they land, they would depart in a smaller vessel for domestic travel.

[Jesse Arm]

Oh, they did it in dependence. Perhaps more relevantly, like when we build rocket ships, don't they, like, fall apart into pieces? Right? Like, they don't smash them into the planet, though.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe we should.

[Jesse Arm]

We're not that advanced. Maybe they haven't gotten to another planet yet.

[Brett Dasovic]

Maybe they took that blue origin explosion as some type of, like, sign of life. Now they're here because, like, oh, go.

[Phil that Remains]

Let's go check that.

[Tim Pool]

What if aliens blew up the blue origin rocket? They were like, only Elon.

[Phil that Remains]

We don't like you be.

[Tim Pool]

Elon's actually an alien hybridizing himself with humans.

[Brett Dasovic]

Feel like he would look different if he was.

[Tim Pool]

Unless. Do you know about the. You know about the Enid? Enid, right, the conspiracy theory. The Nordics, some call them.

[Jesse Arm]

Okay, what's that?

[Tim Pool]

So there's this viral Reddit post where they claimed the US Government became apprised of the existence of Enids, what they call Nordics, but the Nordics call themselves the Enid. 65,000 years ago, aliens took, oh no, I'm not. 65,000 years ago, hundreds of thousands of years ago or something, early humans were taken by aliens to a different planet where they would be given access to technology and education immediately. So they could compare the two civilizations, one with abundance and. And re and information, one without, to see how they develop. So the ENIDs are massively more advanced than humans. And now the. The theory is they come to Earth to research humans in the wild because they were raised in captivity with technology, and they have a very specific moral worldview. They come here and intermingle among us and look just like regular humans, because they are. And this is really funny. Okay, I gotta pull it up, I gotta pull it up. Here we go. CIA.

[Jesse Arm]

That's fascinating.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. We're not done yet. Check this out. From the New York post. Whistleblower claims CIA used DNA data from Ancestry and 23andMe customers in search for aliens. Now, how would that make sense? Right? How would it make sense for the CIA to take DNA from ancestry and 23andMe to find aliens if these are just human customers? Unless people with no DNA, there are. There are humans that are alien to this planet that come from somewhere else and have already hybridized. And there are people on this planet who do not realize they have alien DNA in them. And so the CIA, aware of this is like, we got to figure out who the sleepers are.

[Brett Dasovic]

Maybe right after this story came out was when Trump had the thing about aliens walk amongst us, and it was actually just SEO optimization to get this.

[Jesse Arm]

Dude, that was such a letdown. And then it was like an illegal aliens website.

[Tim Pool]

I'm guessing we call that know about y'.

[Jesse Arm]

All.

[Tim Pool]

What do they call it? They call artif. They call it AI optimization now. Whatever. Right, yeah, like.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like stories like this. The real conspiracy theory would be the CIA not using these databases to track down somebody they wanted to find.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, we know they do that. Yeah, of course.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah. That's kind of my big conspiracy theory is that government is actually just so woefully incompetent at everything that, like, they've actually achieved very little. I, I very little on us. And that's why companies like Palantir are doing so well.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think so, because I actually think manipulations of systems are extremely easy. I'll give you an example. There was a hacker named Weave His. So he was very prominent back in the early 2010s, and apparently he had called Pakistan. He called a government Pakistani line spoofing an Indian line. So this like high level Pakistani official gets a phone call, caller ID says India. And he goes, you son of a bitch, I am going to nuke you. We are going to nuke Pakistan right now. And the guy was like, fuck you, don't tell me. And apparently like the US government got really mad about it. And so this guy, he ends up going to prison and maybe apocryphal. I mean it's been 16 years we've goes to prison because he and this other guy discovered when iPad, when Apple released this iPad, the way it worked is you'd get, you'd buy the iPad and then it would, when you, when you open the tablet it would auto load your email based on like where you bought it from like AT and T or whatever. And so they were like how does it, how does it know? And they saw in the URL that it auto loaded was in was a number. So this one dude says I'm going to change, you know, it says like, it says like 791-3261 I'm going to change the 1 to a 2 incremented up 1. Sure enough, it fed him back a different email. And then they realized they just straight have a raw unencrypted database of everyone's email who bought an iPad. And so not we, but this other guy wrote a script that would just auto load all of the URLs, collecting a list of the emails which they then turned over to a journalist, which is normal information security research. And they turned it over, I think to Gawker who published it saying major security leak Apple has release his emails. The federal government then went down to Georgia and arrested him under the cfaa, the Computer Fraud and Abuse act, claiming that what he did was illegal even though he didn't actually do it. The big question was why did he get five years in prison for loading a URL? Well, some of the people in, you know, in the hackerspace told me it's not really about that he did this, it's just the only thing they can get him on. And they told me this story where he apparently called Pakistan spoofing India, threatening to nuke them, potentially triggering a nuclear war in World War 3. My point is this. A lot of people believe that governments are incompetent. And it is true. Massive systems at scale are extremely difficult to maintain. That being said, I actually think it's extremely easy for a single individual to nuke the world. In essence. I'll give you an example. There was this point 10 years ago where The Syrian electronic army hacked the Associated Press on Twitter and put up a fake tweet saying that Obama had gone off at the White House and then Obama was injured. So this was like 12 years ago or something. Actually, it might have been 13 years ago. The stock dropped by like $10 billion. Like the stock market just collapsed. All because some like 20 year old kid in Moscow spoofed some intern at Associated Press's email, tricked them into giving him access to Twitter and then he just tweeted a sentence. And billions of dollars wiped off the stock market and it never fully recovered at the time. It bounced back something like 80%, meaning tens of billions of dollars of wealth transferred hands in that moment. All because some college intern kid tricked some other college intern kid. So again we talk about, is the government competent, capable of doing these things? I gotta be honest, man, a single indiv. Like, the terrifying reality is, you know, I'll give you, I'll give you an example. What would happen if a prominent high profile conservative personality fabricated a news story like a serious one. You take a look at the J.D. vance couch story, which is a big, you know, it comes up in the, in the platinum one. Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel and all these pundits run it like it's true. To trick people into believing it's true, to destroy J.D. vance. That is softball. That is, that is a pittance. What if someone fabricated a bunch of photos, a bunch of emails came out and confirmed the biases of tons of people pertaining to Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Qatar or otherwise. What would happen if Steven Crowder intentionally fabricated emails from Qatar, paying Tucker Carlson fabricated phone calls? Certainly the government wouldn't go after Tucker. They might actually investigate it. What would the average person do? Most people would believe it. And it would be massively disruptive to the United States government. It would create a scandal. It would result in press conferences. A single influential person could choose through nefarious means to disrupt the global economy if they, if they really wanted to. And it's kind of scary. I think about it quite a bit, how easy it would be.

[Jesse Arm]

Well, going back to that point about the fabricated page from J.D. vance's book Hillbilly Elegy that talks about him having sex with a cousin or whatever that was. That was kind of the, the brilliant aspect of this is that it didn't even need to be true. It just needed to kind of code as generally something that was in the right register and tone of the book such that you could get people to believe it. And all of these people, when I Run these focus groups out in the country now. And I talk to people about where they're consuming news. Hardly anybody ever names an outlet, especially the younger, the people you're talking to. It's algorithmic.

[Tim Pool]

But you, you know, let me put it like this. Like, so last year I got invited to meet at the Blair House with Netanyahu. I could have said anything. I could have confirmed the bias. What actually happened was he blathered on about Socrates and like the judicial system or something. It was kind of boring. And then he argued why the United States needed to go to war with Iran, to which half the room was like, oh, no, we don't want to do this. And the other half was like, we must, because Israel is so good. What if one person in that meeting came out and claimed that Netanyahu went up to him and offered him $7,000 to lie and just insert any law you want. They would be invited on every anti Israel podcast. They would be invited to speak in Qatar and Saudi Arabia. They'd be paid millions of dollars. It would be disruptive politically to the United States, to their, to their military operations. It certainly would piss off Israel. And that's just one person deciding to lie. And it would work.

[Jesse Arm]

That's basically, I think, what Tucker, I mean, Tucker kind of does a version of that, right? Like he's, he's much more careful and he hedges a lot more. Yeah, but it's a lot of, like, there is smoke here. I didn't tell you. There's fire.

[Tim Pool]

I'll give a shout out to Dave Smith, who recently criticized conservatives. He said that they will complain about George Soros all the time, but seem to ignore Miriam Adelson. To which I will stress that, Dave, you supported Trump in 2024 when it was a major scandal for the anti Trump factions that Miriam Adelson committed $100 million towards, towards his election, I believe, through PACs and other special interest groups. In which the stories published by many progressive groups as well as like Al Jazeera, was that a contingency? Was she wanted Israel to annex the West Bank. So for, you know, Dave Smith, who missed that story, I guess didn't get

[Jesse Arm]

her money's worth, if that's the case, because that hasn't happened.

[Tim Pool]

Who says it has to happen now? She's talking about recommitting more to the Republican efforts. The point ultimately is how are there so many people who are shocked? Like, Tucker Carlson is a good example when he's like, I didn't intentionally mean for this to happen. What's happening is so miserable. And then his brother literally says, well Miriam Adelson gave him a hundred million dollars. And he goes like Tucker knew exactly what he was supporting. Of course there's no way he did not.

[Jesse Arm]

Of course.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why I view them all as disingenuous.

[Jesse Arm]

He's also been in Washington for a very long time. He knows these players. He knows the name of the game. I'm sorry. There's also another piece of that Dave Smith quote you just came up with that doesn't that needs to be sort of clarified which is that George Soros spends tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars on liberal causes and helping to elect far left Democrats to office. And Miriam Adelson spends tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars more than literally anyone in the country to elect Republicans to office. And that is how she's been spending her fortune for years and years and years since before when her husband was around. That was how they spent.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's because Israel is click worthy right now. I think I can lay it out pretty simply, I suppose many times. I was recently hanging out with some friends and one guy mentioned he used to watch the show all the time. Used to being the key word, key phrase. He didn't dislike the show, he didn't have beef with the show. It's just people kind of just. The trends changed. Politics was pop culture. We're in the off season right now. So on on YouTube we peaked at about 17,000 concurrence. On rumble we have 13,600. So we're at 167 on YouTube right now and 13 6. So around 30k is where we've been hitting it. But come on, we're getting into the summer. We're three weeks from summer. Ain't nobody wants to be sitting around on a summer night listen to politics talk when there's no elections going on. It's not in the zeitgeist. It's not interesting. Well, how do you make money and maintain viewership? That's here's the thing, here's the secret. I'll tell you a story about Fusion. When I worked at Fusion, ABC News, Univision joint venture, it was a big scandal. It wasn't really a scandal but what had happened was the sales team committed to Advertiser Something like 500,000 views. So here's how it works. They go to, you know, insert soda company and say we will run your ad on our website. You will get 500,000 unique views to see that ad, will track that and deliver it for you. Like, we'll then show you the report if you give us a 50 grand or whatever. So the sponsor pays for it. I don't know the exact rate was after a month, they only had 300,000 views and they were freaking out. We already sold the views. We are contractually obligated to get 200,000 more. This is also true. Not so much these days with the podcast space, because now sponsorships, the way they do it is like it's with, I guess for Fusion, like a newer company that needed money up front. There's something called upfronts in the media business where you take the aggregate like past two quarterly averages and then sell ads based off of those. But for some of these contracts, they're like, look, in Q3 and Q4, we averaged, you know, 30 million per month. We're going to sell at that rate. What happens then? If they say we want a contract, contractual guarantee for 30, for 60 million. This means that if in the next two quarters you don't hit 60, you've got to give them free ad space in the next two quarters to make up that lost inventory. So imagine we're entering the political off season. Christmas comes, viewership is declining. You know, last year we were averaging 50 to 60k per episode. Now we're averaging 30. It's off season. What do you expect? You know, you've got Trump and a fresh presidency with the first hundred days. Then you know, the controversies that, that slowly trickle down and the viewership declines in winter, they go up. So viewership will probably go up in winter for us, especially with the midterms. Imagine you're Tucker Carlson fresh out of Fox News, and he starts with a bang, but his viewership starts slowly going down. If he overcommitted on ads, how is he going to make sure that he fills that inventory space? Same thing with Candace Owens. Contractual obligations. I don't know. They have those obligations.

[Jesse Arm]

You got to start appealing to people either outside of the American right or outside of America.

[Tim Pool]

If you're a political show. Yeah, if you're a political show and you're trying to attract new viewers, but Americans are outside of the political space in the off season, you need to find politics that will be attractive to foreign individuals.

[Jesse Arm]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

And the easiest thing in the world is going to be Israel.

[Phil that Remains]

Israel's. Israel is, is not popular with far more countries than it is popular with. And even in countries that, that are ostensibly have good relations, like the populations are split on it. So it's.

[Jesse Arm]

And where it is unpopular, it is like very, it is very unpopular and it is like singularly and excessively.

[Tim Pool]

You got 2 billion people to choose from.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Phil that Remains]

I mean look at, so when you

[Tim Pool]

look at the way the social media structure, the US is going to homogenize with the rest of the world's views. Yeah. And you've got, I think for the most part the world, it's globalism, not so great. Well, I think the world itself is anti Israel.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And what I mean by that is there are certainly many countries that are pro Israel, many governments that are pro Israel, and Israel certainly lobbies for this. But generally speaking, you get 2 billion Muslims, you know, 1.6, 1.7 billion Muslims, Muslim theocratic nations, they are going to dump massive resources. Christian nations. And I don't mean because there aren't really countries that are overtly Christian theocracies, but they are Christian in terms of a state religion. They're not spending money to promote Israel. They don't care. Islamic nations, they're spending money against Israel. They care about. So if you're running a, if, if you're talking about France, I mean they're largely Islamic. I mean European countries are being overrun by Islam as it is. All of this is going to result in Israel getting cooked. Yeah. I mean, and some people tell me not to use Gen Z slang when referring to Israel because of the Holocaust, but you get my point.

[Phil that Remains]

I didn't pick up on that.

[Tim Pool]

No, because people have already commented when I say Israel got cooked, cooked just means you're getting, you're getting crushed, you're getting beat up. But they were like, tim, that's a bad analogy. Shut up.

[Jesse Arm]

No, I think it's fine. But also it's like the thing is though is like it's a numbers game. Yeah. But there's also a competence factor and you have to look at like who Israel's churning out. Look at the Nobel Peace Prizes per capita relative to the Muslim world. Look at the high tech inventions, look at the investments, look at the capital coming in and out. Israel over performs on all these metrics.

[Phil that Remains]

Easy. You're getting close to IQ talk here. You know, that would have been the territory.

[Tim Pool]

But holy crap, are they bad at pr. Oh, and the, and the argument is that Israel wants people to hate Israel, which is like, that's stupid.

[Jesse Arm]

I think the best thing Israel could do for its own PR is probably just disband its PR department and operating solely motivated by like this is what I say to all these American companies. Right. Drop your esg, drop your dei, just focus on winning and bringing in profit. Yeah, Israel just do that, dude. Like, you don't need to like tell everybody how great the Tel Aviv pride parade is, okay? It's not buying you any goodwill with congressional Democrats.

[Phil that Remains]

It's not just chill.

[Tim Pool]

They ran that campaign and it's like all running it. All it did was piss off every conservative. And Democrats are like, we literally don't care.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, there's nothing. Look, if you're, if you're critical of Israel and you have a, you know, knee jerk negative opinion of Israel, there's not a whole lot that you, that you're going to be, that Israel is going to be able to do. I'll say this, change that.

[Tim Pool]

I'll tell you why Israel's in trouble. Because Gen Z slang for processed garbage food is so like, I will.

[Jesse Arm]

So what are they going to do? Start buying a bunch of kosher food from Israel? Like, Israel's just going to make.

[Tim Pool]

Let me stress this again. 20 year old dude who walks into a fast food restaurant refers to McDonald's as goy slop, doesn't care about the Jews, does, isn't an anti Semite. He's just saying a phrase that many people online say in reference to processed garbage food.

[Phil that Remains]

He's heard, he's heard Asmongold say it. Like Asmin says that kind of stuff all the time. Which I mean, and he's not particularly critical.

[Tim Pool]

So the issue becomes these individuals who are saying it are saying it as a meme. They're not saying it literally to claim that Jews are feeding them garbage food.

[Jesse Arm]

But do you know what the biggest goy slop is in the world? I'm someone who goes out in the real world and uses the term goy

[Tim Pool]

slop among normal people. But goy slop is food.

[Phil that Remains]

It's food though. No, no, no.

[Jesse Arm]

Goy slop is. But is it just food?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Jesse Arm]

Or is it like, is it okay? But specifically though, it is an indication, like why does that term get used? Because it's an indication that it's. But isn't it supposed to also be something that theoretically distracts you? Like, it's the catnip they give the goyim. So they're not focused on like the Jews who are controlling the world or Israel's controlling the world. I don't think I've heard it wider context than just like food.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Maybe like Nick Fuentes literally is talking about Jews creating poisoned food to kill.

[Jesse Arm]

Like, he'll talk about. But again, like spending all their money on Marvel action.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. My point is there are 20 year olds who are apolitical who have heard the phrase goy slop, think it's funny and just say it as a meme.

[Jesse Arm]

I don't think that hurts Israel, do you?

[Tim Pool]

My point is that it is the normalization of these phrases and ideologies that ultimately puts Israel in a negative light.

[Phil that Remains]

Dude, if you.

[Tim Pool]

Whether it's. Whether it's true or not, it's negative press.

[Phil that Remains]

If you google the term goy slop, there's a. There's a song on Spotify.

[Jesse Arm]

What is the Webster's death?

[Phil that Remains]

I haven't heard.

[Tim Pool]

It's real.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know. I googled it just to see what it. What?

[Tim Pool]

It's an offensive Internet slang term to describe ultra processed fast food.

[Jesse Arm]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You know what I love about the goy thing? There was someone on X that was like, they said something really dumb. They said, Jews are the only people who have created a war. That means us versus them. Goy literally means them. They treat us like animals. And I was like that literally. Gaijin is the same thing in Japanese. Like, it's just a word meaning not us that are held. That's held by many cultures. And so they say gaijin means foreigner. And I'm like, yeah, it means not Japanese. Yeah, so like, there are many cultures that have a word. It's funny, the reason I bring up Japan is because gaijin and goy are

[Jesse Arm]

very similar in Hebrew. Like, like, like nation.

[Tim Pool]

That's the original. The original, original translation was nations in which you could refer to Jews as goyim, but it became to specifically mean others. Probably because they didn't have a nation.

[Jesse Arm]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, like, so at a time when Jews were a nationless people. Yeah, it referred to the nations. It was everybody else.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah. It's funny, I feel like Israel, their best bet is probably just to keep operating at a high level. And that's. I mean, that's a little bit why I feel like the memory maybe doesn't kill them. Like, when I see the, the guys on social media going like, Benjamin Netanyahu, if you can hear me, like, please move this woman's car in front of me who is not moving in traffic or whatever. Like, you know, it's bad for them probably that they have become like a perpetual meme. But on the other hand, it sort of reminds me of like, what is Marco Rubio's meme? Marco Rubio's meme is him sitting in the chair in the office being like hyper competent, incapable of completing yeah, but that's a good.

[Tim Pool]

That's not the.

[Jesse Arm]

What is Israel's meme is that they are, like, all powerful and, like, kill all their enemies. Like Nick Fuente.

[Tim Pool]

They're going to kill you.

[Jesse Arm]

How many times is.

[Tim Pool]

Nick.

[Jesse Arm]

Oh, they're not going to kill you. Come on, you're American.

[Tim Pool]

The meme.

[Jesse Arm]

But if they own America, why would they be killing Americans?

[Tim Pool]

The explanation from these people is that they want to replace strong white Americans and, you know, the heritage Americans with third worlders who are too stupid to fight back.

[Jesse Arm]

What? But if they replace strong white Americans, who would they have to fight their wars for? Them?

[Tim Pool]

They don't want them to fight their wars.

[Jesse Arm]

Israel doesn't want America to fight their wars. Isn't that, like, part of the whole, like, griper ideology?

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Jesse Arm]

All right, you got to walk me through it, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Basically, if you ever have an issue, your logical conclusion must be it benefits Israel and Israel is evil, even if it's illogical. So, like, we had this woman on the show and she said that Zelensky was a Jew and Netanyahu put him in power. And I said, for what purpose? And she goes, because Netanyahu wants a corridor stretching from Israel to Ukraine. Now, the thing is, she made that up on the spot.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There's nowhere, anywhere where that makes sense. There's no history, no politics, no military action that. That makes sense. It's literally just nonsense. He's not gonna conquer Turkey, although he has been ragging on Turkey.

[Jesse Arm]

He hasn't even conquered Gaza, and he's had, like, three years to do.

[Tim Pool]

But they just make things up, nuclear weapons. The point is the reason why it's bad for Israel. I think Israel's. They're in serious trouble. They're surrounded on basically every side by enemies, and they're losing the support of the American people. That's it.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Give it 20 years. And I don't think the U.S. fund, I don't think Israel funds gets funding from the United States in 10 years.

[Jesse Arm]

They don't even want it anymore. Right. Netanyahu's coming over here and saying, like, we don't want the money anymore. I think the money probably, probably makes them both worth it off. Well, America probably gets something out of it. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Because. Well, back to our own economy, and it's all. We're basically just making weapons and giving them Israel.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then that creates jobs in the United States. Now we're giving it. It's a grant.

[Jesse Arm]

It's a government subsidy for weapons manufacturers.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So the idea is we're taking US taxpayer dollars building weapons and then giving those weapons to Israel.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, but all the congress members still want it because then it's jobs in their district.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, that's the thing. It's all because everything, it's no different

[Jesse Arm]

than any other subsidy.

[Tim Pool]

Like I would kind of rather have all those missiles and tanks lining our bo.

[Jesse Arm]

And they were doing that too.

[Brett Dasovic]

They were doing that during Ukraine as well. And people had a problem with it then. If you had a problem with then you should have a problem with it now.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, I have this very boomer of me. I'm kind of for like America's allies buying lots of weapons from us and you know, being ready to turn them on our enemies, to degrade and destroy them.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, I mean, look, I, I like Palmer Lucky's thought process. The guy from Andrew.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Phil that Remains]

He thinks the United States should be the world's gun store. Right. Just make a bunch of weapons and sell them to people. And obviously there will be limitations. We're not going to sell, you know, we're not going to have U.S. companies that are making cutting edge weapons selling them to Russia or to China. But you know, if, if the UK for now wants to buy weapons, it's okay if Japan wants to buy weapons.

[Jesse Arm]

One thing, Tim, maybe you can explain this to me is like I have been curious when I read about all of our encouraging of Europe to stand on its own two feet and you know, spend more on their own or build more, build more of their own weapons, that means they're going to be buying less from us.

[Phil that Remains]

Right.

[Jesse Arm]

Why do we want that necessarily?

[Tim Pool]

Why do we. I think when you, when you, when, when you look at deficit spending, taxpayer dollars, we're not, we don't, this the way the country works. We don't take tax dollars from people to buy things or buildings. We do them anyway and then tax people after the fact to pull money out of the economy for inflation.

[Phil that Remains]

So that's something I wish more people.

[Tim Pool]

What this, what this money represents, when the government prints dollars, it represents the labor of an individual in exchange for food and shelter. For the most part, leisure comes after the fact. Right now we're manufacturing weapons that we give away. I don't know. What if we fixed bridges and roads? What if we built community centers and, and did public works projects for housing and things like this?

[Jesse Arm]

Or even just charged people for the weapons.

[Tim Pool]

Right, that too.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But I just say this country would be better off if our resources were spent on building new roads, repairing old decaying infrastructure as opposed to Making weapons and shipping them off to Israel or any other country. So, you know, Israel gets the free weapons. Members of Congress get factories in their district. And I'm just sitting there being like, why not not make, not weapons then? And like, I don't know, do helicopters. Why not just make a ridiculous amount of airplanes or something?

[Brett Dasovic]

And Americans now your gas is watered down and you have to deal with like crappy gas mileage.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Why not just subsidize gas?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If we're going to allocate money towards weapons.

[Jesse Arm]

Subsidize. You can just unleash all of the regulatory information.

[Tim Pool]

No, my point is way more domestic. If you're going to instruct Americans to produce weapons, tanks, guns or otherwise with zero economic benefit to the American people, take that same money to allocate energy towards the production of energy.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah. Well, I think there's a very intellectually strong argument for zeroing out foreign aid. It's a small portion of the federal budget entirely.

[Phil that Remains]

The only overall I'm for getting rid of foreign aid. The only thing that kind of makes me a little hesitant is the idea that when you are giving money away, like the way that the US does, it makes people, it gives more value to the money.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Phil that Remains]

So if people have dollars, they want to, they want those dollars to be worth something, so they'll spend them and other people take them because of it.

[Tim Pool]

It's a South park size. You influence South Park. Did the episode about this where the alien bank robber comes with alien money? Yeah. And then they steal it. The alien cops come and they're like, no money here. And then all of a sudden they're all wealthy. And then the aliens try to explain to them the money has no inherent value. It's just the value that you assigned the labor. Mexico made like 12 water parks. Yeah. And he was like, why is one of your poorer countries, Mexico, building so many water parks? Like, no reason. But then at the end they're like, you realize you could just do these things without the alien money. It's just how you assign resources to labor. So that's, that's, that's the reality right now. We have a government that is paralyzed and basically saying, let's get Americans, Americans to do work, to make weapons, to give away. And it's like, bro, I'd rather you have that American literally just, you know, play video games. I would rather that money go to some guy in a warehouse live streaming himself playing video games in the most boring way imaginable. At least it's producing something for America. Even if it's the bare rocket rock bottom of something to be produced. And I'm not trying to rag on video game streamers. I'm saying someone who's bad at it, I would rather them take that money and literally give to a bunch of communists to just have a hippie drum circle and sing songs. Because at least it's going to Americans instead of being like, we're going to produce something of value and give it away.

[Jesse Arm]

I, yeah, I, I'm like, partially with you, but at the same time, like, I do think there's upside to. If you're going to have like, more populist economic policies on any front, you should probably incentivize building a robust defense industrial base. You don't have.

[Tim Pool]

If we kept the weapons.

[Jesse Arm]

Exactly, exactly. Keep them. You sell to your allies, but you don't give them the money to buy it from you.

[Tim Pool]

Pitch, pitch. And you also keep a lot of the members of Congress.

[Jesse Arm]

You buy weapons.

[Tim Pool]

I propose we increase spending on weapons. Increase.

[Phil that Remains]

I like it.

[Tim Pool]

For the purpose of establishing the Department of Gun Services in every major metro. Every single one. And the way the DGS works is when you turn 16, you can go in and I'm sorry, but you do have to take a test and do. And go to the shooting range. And if you pass, you'll be given an AR15, a Glock 17, each with one box of ammunition as your right as an American under the Second Amendment.

[Phil that Remains]

Boxer case.

[Tim Pool]

I was gonna say. Well, for the. For the A.R. a case.

[Phil that Remains]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

You know, a nice case of. What is that gonna be like 500?

[Phil that Remains]

Usually cases? A thousand, but yeah, a thousand, really.

[Tim Pool]

Like that one over there is a thousand.

[Jesse Arm]

Civil War.

[Tim Pool]

And a thousand it is. Thousand is just, I think for the Glock 17, just a box. I mean, what are you gonna get from there? 100 or something?

[Phil that Remains]

Usually boxes are 50 rounds. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's it, then. Two boxes. You gotta. And at 16. At 16. Second Amendment, Second Amendment rights. If we have a right to keep and bear arms, then according to the left, health care being a human right, we'll split the baby. Health care is a human right. We do universal health care. Agreed. The government's got to provide guns to everybody the same.

[Brett Dasovic]

All cars shall have gun racks in the back window.

[Phil that Remains]

Again, you know what?

[Tim Pool]

And it's like you're 16. You go to the range. Now, listen, listen. Some people have pushed back on this idea and said, Tim, the idea that you have to take a test to get a. To get a form from the government, it's a right to bear arms. No, no, no, no. You're getting a free gun at taxpayer expense. You're allowed to have the gun at 16 if you buy it yourself. But if you want your free government issue, you do have to take the

[Brett Dasovic]

book it program with the pizza you get from, from Pizza Hut after you get the book.

[Tim Pool]

Except for read your gun, but get a Glock, got a driver's license and they gave you a car. Yeah.

[Jesse Arm]

How do you feel about some of this stuff people have raised about, like, you know, whether transgender people should have the same, like full extent.

[Tim Pool]

They shouldn't be allowed to.

[Jesse Arm]

It should not.

[Tim Pool]

No. So here's the important thing again. This, this always falls to the left will try to exploit what they view of your principles. But I thought you said everyone should have a right to keep in bars and you're against red flag laws. Yep. Except for people I don't think should have them. That's it. The left's going to make the argument that they can 5150 whoever they want, and they will. And the sooner conservatives realize that people with power will wield it against them, the sooner they will push back. What do people in this country really want? Good red blooded Americans want Christmas morning apple pie, baseball. Right. They want people of sound mind to keep and bear arms. They want people who are dangerous not to have them. They don't want an overbearing government to be able to seize them. The left comes to you and says if you agree with the idea that someone suffering from an identity disassociation can't have a gun, they will come and accuse you of having a mental disorder. And so I've, I've, I've argued this principally in the past. If we go for the red flag laws, I oppose them largely because what'll happen is a liberal institutionalized government will just pathologize conservatism. Congratulations. If you believe in borders, you're mentally ill. They'll make it up. That being said, we have seen a spattering of transgender mass shooters. These are people with a dissociative identity disorder where they believe they are a different kind of being from their own

[Jesse Arm]

body used to be categorized as such.

[Tim Pool]

It is. It still is.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's a DSM 5 mental disorder. And the trans activists actually argue that it should remain because if it's not, they can't get prescription drugs for it. So if you want to get cross sex hormones prescribed, it must be listed as a mental disorder. Well, that being said, I think there are some mental disorders which you should be disqualified for mental disorders with a high rate of suicidality. We, we clearly don't want you to have guns, but I do believe would have to be adjudicated properly. That is a lot of these red flag laws. They say, we can come and take your guns and then you can fight later. No, a notice should be served that, that there's a legal challenge and you, you have due process. So they have to have probable cause, they have to get a grand jury to indict and then you can go to trial. So that is, let's say there's a guy who's standing on the edge of a, sitting on top of a bridge. The cops see that they have probable cause to assume you're suicidal, they pull you down, they present that evidence to a grand jury. Here's photo, here's video, here's the body camera footage. This man was attempting to end his own life. The grand jury then returns an indictment. You then present the indictment to the gun owner. A grand jury has indicted you on suicidality and we are now the penalty for which is we take your guns away for a small set period of time, then you get a chance to defend yourself. That's how due process should work when it comes to guns.

[Brett Dasovic]

Wasn't that one of Trump's bigger missteps with some people is he's like, take the guns first and then, and then fight it in court?

[Tim Pool]

I think that was an out of quote, out of context quote. Yeah. The media lied.

[Brett Dasovic]

Shocking.

[Phil that Remains]

It's, it's very typical for them to adjust the quotes depending on what makes makes Donald Trump look bad. This is, this is what was the

[Brett Dasovic]

context of the discussion they were having there.

[Tim Pool]

I'm trying to pull it up.

[Jesse Arm]

It's a common sense position though, and it's not that different from the Hassan piker stuff we were talking about earlier. Like, yeah, my position is just that, like, I do think it's like, okay, if a foreign sovereign nation decides that they don't want foreigners who are going to come into their country and, yeah, you know, proverbially piss on the rug or literally just celebrate anti Western terrorism. And I do think Tim should be allowed to go to the uk. Like, that's just my view. Sorry. I don't have to like, abide by a universal principle that everybody's allowed to say whatever they want all the time and I don't have to abide by a universal principle that every psycho, potential mass murderer is allowed to have a gun. But I think like, the vast majority of Americans should Be, Yeah, I, I

[Phil that Remains]

mean, I don't have a. My biggest problem with piker being, you know, prevented from going to the UK is the people that are going to say that it's because of Israel. I mean, if you look at the Labor Party in the uk, right, there are very few groups that are more critical of Israel than, I mean, I

[Jesse Arm]

think the UK Home Secretary who's in charge of these kinds of immigration related decisions is named like Shahana Mahmood and she is a like career Palestine activist who has also banned a bunch of Israeli ministers and activists.

[Phil that Remains]

The idea that it's actually over Israel is just ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

The context explicitly was that Mike Pence was discussing whether law enforcement should confiscate weapons when they have reason to believe an individual is going to use them to commit a crime or to harm themselves or others. And Trump said, or Mike, take the firearms first, then go to court. Because that's another system. Because a lot of times by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court to get to do process procedures. I like taking the guns early. Like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida. He had a lot of firearms, they saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you're saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second. So I will say it is only slightly out of context. He was literally saying, when the police believe someone is going to commit a crime, just go and take the guns from him. I think a lot of people took it to me and that Trump was saying, take people's guns in general and then they can fight later.

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, I just assumed it was specific to a case. Maybe that's just my own.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, I think it was specific to Brooklyn.

[Tim Pool]

It was specific to a case where they, there was a guy that the police knew was planning something and he was saying, go ahead. Because that's an interesting question. Let me ask you guys, if there is a guy who posts online, I have a bunch of guns, I'm gonna go do bad thing. Should the police run and stop him, grab and take his guns? My view is, yes, absolutely. If there is a known stated intent to commit a crime using firearms, then I believe the police are perfectly justified to go in, arrest him, terroristic threats, take his guns away.

[Jesse Arm]

So by the way, Trump's position there, you know, we're gun nuts here and we're all conservatives here, but I was saying earlier, Trump is this moderating force on the gop, even in that line that's how a lot of Americans feel. Even if this is generally a pro 2A country. Trump's gut sentiment on things like that is very much attuned to and in line with where most Americans are.

[Tim Pool]

The founding fathers believed that the federal government couldn't ban guns. This meant you were allowed to own artillery. Private individuals owned warships, and the US Government would retain the services of these private individuals with warships. In fact, private companies make our warships today. Private companies make our nuclear weapons today. So this weird presumption that, you know, I ask people this, I'll ask you this question. Do you think private individuals should be allowed to have nuclear weapons?

[Jesse Arm]

I don't know. They're going to be making them on chat GPT pretty soon.

[Tim Pool]

It has always been the case. The answer is yes. The US Contracts out these, these projects. Nuclear weapons are made by private entities. Our warships, our missiles, our bombs, they are private. They are publicly traded companies, privately held by the, or I should say publicly held by the American people, but not by the government. So it's funny when I can bring on a senator or a member of Congress and I say, do you think Americans have the right to keep in bear nuclear weapons? Absolutely not. Well, that's literally how it works. It's just people don't get this stuff.

[Phil that Remains]

There's a lot of regulations around it, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. When you're. Was it on the Knicks form you got nuclear weapons? Is that what it is? Or, no, no, when. What is it? The, what you call it, the FFL forms.

[Brett Dasovic]

Wait, so they're. They're produced by private American companies, but

[Tim Pool]

they're, they're public American companies. They're public.

[Brett Dasovic]

I'm sorry, public American companies. But they're contracted by the government to do so.

[Jesse Arm]

Right?

[Brett Dasovic]

There isn't a case of an actual individual with a nuclear weapon in his home.

[Tim Pool]

I. Hold on a second. As far as we know, I don't know that the US Government has to ask the nuclear power to be made because there are federal licenses where you can fill out and say, I'm making a nuke and submit it to the government.

[Brett Dasovic]

So then they're like, I'll take one. The government can be like, I'll take one.

[Tim Pool]

Well, here's the thing. How would, how would the, how, how would the government buy a prototype nuclear weapon unless the research was being done to make it? The, the argument would be that the government has to commission the research first.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, it's the same stuff that goes on with biological warfare, right? They create man, they create strains of diseases and then study them.

[Tim Pool]

Lockheed is up 517. I'm sorry, Lockheed's up 8.22% to 517 this year. In the last five years, they're up 34%, man. Imagine this. You put 100 of your savings in a Lockheed Martin. You extract 3% every year and just live off the interest. Lockheed. Yeah. So I don't know exactly

[Brett Dasovic]

myself, but.

[Tim Pool]

But, but I have to imagine that research on prototype weapons, you can't wait for government approval. So we think of nuclear weapons as crazy. So the government must approve this. Well, you got Anduril, you know, Palmer Lucky's company. I don't think he's going to the government asking permission to do research. No, I think he's making bombs. And then go into the government, be like, yo, check out this bomb I made. It's got wings.

[Jesse Arm]

The government says, sick. Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Jesse Arm]

Love that.

[Tim Pool]

We'll take a hundred.

[Phil that Remains]

Well, that's his whole. His whole plan. And another thing that Palmer Lucky is doing is he's trying to make sure that the pieces, the parts that are necessary to make the stuff that he's. He's building aren't so specialized where you can't find them or, or they have to be, you know, specifically designed for what they're doing. He's like, we need to make things. He's like, look at the way that we built tanks and weapons in World War II. We had, you know, Ford was pumping out tanks and they were building all these weapons and, and all these. All this military equipment. They were doing it from plants that before were building cars. Yeah, we need to be able to run down to. What equates to. I don't know if there are any. They need to run down to, like, Radio Shack and be able to get the parts they're building.

[Tim Pool]

I think if I wasn't doing this job, I'd probably be making weapons. Back in. Back during Occupy, there were two things that I was doing. One was live streaming, and the other was hacking drones to do things they were not intended to do. And we're making weapons, but we hacked the. The first ever news broadcast via drone was done by me and my crew. We hacked commercial toy drone, the Parrot ar, and we use a software development kit to transmit the video feed from the drone to a computer and then retransmit it through the Internet to live stream so you could live stream as we, like, we live. I had a backpack with a laptop in it that was set to run with the monitor closed. And I had the drone strapped to my bag so I could grab it off my back, put it on the ground, launch it with my phone, and the stream was live the whole time. So we actually flew it during Occupy Wall street and we did a bunch of crazy stuff. We had one little drone. It was a ball with wheels. And you could throw it like a ball and it would bounce and always land upright because it had two big wheels. And we rigged it to do the same thing so I could definitely be

[Jesse Arm]

good at making weapons surveillance tech.

[Tim Pool]

And we did a bunch of crazy stuff. One of the things like my buddy did, we, we were hacking stuff. I made, I made a levitating can of green tea.

[Jesse Arm]

Did you make this? Speaking of Levit.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's just something I got off Instagram.

[Jesse Arm]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

So there's a video of me when I was 23. You can watch it. It's on my main channel. I took a can of green tea and I put motors on it so that it would be weighted in the front and vibrate so it reduces the viscosity, the surface tension, so that the can can literally be remote controlled and glide across flat surfaces.

[Jesse Arm]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

So imagine if I don't know what the function would be. I mean, can't you just apply that to a car?

[Jesse Arm]

You got a floating car, flying car.

[Tim Pool]

It would destroy the ground. Yeah. So a can of green tea floating across a wood table is not going to cause enough damage. But if you've got like a one ton car and it's just flat, a flat bottom with no wheels. And if it wouldn't go very fast either. But I don't know what the practical applications of that green tea can would have been. Like a grenade and just vibrates across the ground very slowly.

[Jesse Arm]

That's why we got to put you in a room with all the sharp guys at Anduro. Figure it out. You know what's right.

[Tim Pool]

We would, we would do some crazy stuff. We were trying to build taser gloves and my buddy reached out to. I don't know if it was like Von Zipper or something. And he was like, I know a guy at this company. And he hit him up and he was like, hey, we want to make taser gloves. And they're like, that's cool, we'll sponsor it. And then he emails back being like, my boss asked me if I was insane. So the idea was, I said, so you guys ever see those ab workout things they have you strap a belt

[Jesse Arm]

on like it does it automatically.

[Tim Pool]

It electrocutes your abs to contract them and it's like work out while you're sitting there. It's the stupidest thing ever. Yeah, but I saw that and I said it paralyzes your muscles. It forces them to contract. Right. Can we take the same effect without causing pain and put it in a glove so that I can grab Phil's arm and his arm immediately just locks and becomes paralyzed? And they said, yes. And I can't remember. It's has been 16 years, but it was like, someone in the chat will know electricity better than me. It's like low amps, high volts, or something like that. It where it won't electrocute you in the sense where you're like being burned and screaming, but it will trigger a muscle contraction and you won't be able to move your arm. So the idea was, imagine you're a cop or in the military, and you have in your hand an electrode that's in the finger and the thumb that you can flick a switch and turn on and grab your culprit, suspect or otherwise. It doesn't hurt them, but it disables them. And so we were working on making this, and then, you know, the sponsors didn't want to do it. And then I was like, can we then, for seemingly no reason, make it so that when you grab a katana, the electrodes connect to a circuit that wraps around the blade. Electrify creates a season, not a lightsaber, but it would effectively turn the katana into a taser at the same time.

[Jesse Arm]

Dude, that's.

[Tim Pool]

So you connect the circuit and it would. And then you can touch somebody with it. And so we'd have to have two points on the end to complete the circuit, which would be your body. So when you got stabbed by the katana with the glove on, your body would connect the circuit and you'd get fried from the inside. Yeah, I'd probably be making weapons.

[Jesse Arm]

The closest I ever got to technology like that is the hand shake, prank buzzer thing.

[Phil that Remains]

Oh, yeah.

[Jesse Arm]

Little kid. And you put it out and you shake your dad's hand and it zaps him.

[Phil that Remains]

Classic.

[Tim Pool]

We built a cooling system for mobile hotspots. This is one of the most fun things that we did at the space. There was a protest in Anaheim, and it was super hot. And so all of these people had started live streaming. They walk around holding their phones up, but I would always tell people, do not buy a black case for your phone. Buy a white case, because the black cases absorb the heat from the sun and they're going to overheat really fast. But, you know, nobody understands physics. So There I am. If you watch all the old videos for me live streaming back during Occupy, I always have a white case. If you watch Occupy streams, you can see me holding an iPhone with a white case because it's gonna. It's gonna keep it cool. It's internally gonna get hot, but it'll at least keep the sun off. So in Anaheim, it was so hot, we 3D printed a case for the mobile hotspot that was black and didn't have a case. And we snapped it in, and then we took an Energizer, big energizer battery, and we soldered cables to a 40 millimeter computer fan that screwed onto the base. So you have a 3D printed case, 40, 40 millimeter fan hotspot. And then we took the wires and soldered connections so that we could plug it into an energizer battery that powered the fan and kept cold, kept air flowing over the hotspot to stop it from overheating. So during this protest, tons of streamers, cameras, phones went down from overheating, and we were good. So we were doing tons of crazy stuff like that back in the day. Those were fun. Those were fun times. I'd be making bombs. They'd be like, that's a great drone, Tim. It's highly maneuverable, and we get a bomb on it. And I'd be like, oh, I can do that. I actually consulted the US Government specifically warning them about this. When I got asked to consult on drones because of the work we were doing, they were like, what's something. It was these. This government coalition working with the university in, I think, North Carolina. And they said, what's one thing that we should be aware of with drone technology that we're not thinking of of? And I was like, that anybody can strap a C4 payload to one of these bad boys, fly it into a city at 30 miles an hour, and blow up any target before you can do anything about it. And they were like, what? And I'm like, honest question. If somebody strapped a bomb to one of these things, launched it from across Jersey, and flew it full speed into Manhattan, how do you stop it? It's. It's 200ft up, it's going 35 miles an hour, and you don't even know it's coming until it's too late. Even if you blast it out of the sky with, say, say you had, like, a confetti gun. One of the things we. We contemplated was having a drone that could fire string. Literally just thin sewing string, and that would take out a drone and knock it out of the sky. And I said, even if you were able to do that, this thing's still carrying a bomb and it's blowing up where it is. One of the things we had talked about, which is fascinating because they actually did it, was microwaves. So you blast directed energy weapons, a microwave at a drone, disrupting its communications, and it will fall out of the sky, or just frying its motors, overheating and causing it to crash. And then I think it was actually. Didn't Anduril create the pulse?

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Where they got a swarm of drones and they click a button and it pulses and all the drones fall out of the sky.

[Jesse Arm]

I mean, device is pretty close to the kinds of weapons you're describing. Like, I feel like I've seen videos of them on my feed, like out of Ukraine and even.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they've got these or something. They have these big rifles where when they click a button, it just blasts microwave frequencies and the drones just fritz out.

[Phil that Remains]

That's why a lot of the drones in you in Ukraine, they started using fiber optic cables.

[Tim Pool]

One thing I did that was really funny that. I don't know if I'm supposed to say, because. But, you know, I'll say it anyway. I was in Turkey at the time, and somebody was flying a drone. And let's just. I'll keep it very light. Hypothetically speaking, it would have been very easy to have commandeered that drone. You know, I'll just say it like that.

[Phil that Remains]

Not your drone anymore.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, hypothetically. And I had to explain to a guy how when they're flying these drones, they're insecure systems. They're easily, you know, taken over. Yeah. Let's read some of your rumble rants and super chats. So smash the, like button. Share the show. The uncensored portion is coming up in just a few minutes, but right now we'll see what y' all have to say about the goings on of the world. And Graham Platner calling his wiener mindfuhrer. Right. Same old man says there needs to be more news about Macron letting Paris being set on fire for bringing in Third Worlders. You know what the issue is? Seriously, this is a big challenge. Like, why do people not really care about politics right now? Last week we were like, what's the big news? Which we cover. And then I can't remember who it might have been. Tate being like, well, the Iran ceasefire, you know, Trump's talking a deal. And I was like, bro, we're on like, 15, dude. How many times has there been close to a deal in a yo yo? No. Even if Trump came out and said, we have a deal, I'd be like, nah.

[Jesse Arm]

Well, that was what happened to me last week. I did cnn, that Abby Phillips show, and they were like, we're leading with Iran and we're doing the latest cease fire negotiation. I think we've got like a new cease fire negotiation that's been negotiated since that one. And I'm like, okay, so you guys are all going to yell at me and I'm going to say, we're not going to know what's going to happen until the President comments on this because he's got a wrangle, like nine different countries and his own negotiators, half of whom don't even agree with him about the war to begin with. And it's like, come on, we've done, we've seen this movie a million times. People don't want to talk about it endlessly.

[Tim Pool]

It's a yo yo. I'm just like, dude, I know that if Trump has a cease fire, he's going to get canceled a day later.

[Phil that Remains]

Iran, I mean, Iran's not. I don't know what's going on in Iran, obviously, but it doesn't seem like there are people in positions of ultimate authority that are interested in a ceasefire.

[Jesse Arm]

So I think this stuff probably calms down ahead of the midterms and then next two years. I just don't, I just don't think Trump's gonna leave the job unfinished. Like, I think he's going to, you know, go there and con and, and do everything he wanted to do at the outset of this conflict.

[Phil that Remains]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got Evan for us to say. Tim, I recently started playing mtg. Got me a Final Fantasy Limit Break precon deck. Really liking it and the game so far. Would love to play with you guys one day. Any recommendations for add ons? Go to mtg top 8 and you can see all of the best decks in existence right now. And you can go to EDH Rec, I think E D H R E C. Just Google, search it and it's a. It, it's, it's great for helping you construct and improve your commander decks. And then go to Mamba Collectibles in Martinsburg, West Virginia, which is our local shop. And when we do play, although we don't play all that often, we play there, but we're, I was talking with some of the local boys about hosting a Saturday game and having like, just. We were like, we'll put on UFC. We'll do like, you know, five player or something. Commander is usually like 2V. It's like four players, you know, 1V3 and. Well, not 1V3. It's four. Just four. 1V 1V 1V1. But certainly we're not gonna invite just anybody here. But if you're a regular at Mamba and you see us there, which is above Casper Coffee, which is about to open soon, then maybe you can come to our games. We're also set. We're trying to set up a show where we do DND and magic and we play these games and we hang out and it's supposed to be for the boys, you know, having a beer, watching a fight, and goofing off and playing magic and all that stuff. But it's a great game. Although it's gotten really goofy lately because now you can have, like, Spider man fight the Ninja Turtles, I guess, and everyone's kind of rolling their eyes over it. Final Fantasy is cool. We like Final Fantasy and magic. I do. Because magic is supposed to be fantasy. And I got no problem with them making different games. But trying to cram it all in the same story is just kind of weird.

[Phil that Remains]

You know, they try to cram. Like, didn't they do like. Like, not Pokemon, but they have Marvel. Yeah, spongebob. Spongebob in magic. Like, it makes no sense to me.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, spongebob is in Magic the Gathering.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed it is. It is. It's a secret layer. It's a secret layer. There's spongebob cards and there's also. I got Sonic the Hedgehog right there. See all the I'll Sonic Hedgehog Magic together.

[Jesse Arm]

I just know game. I just know Settlers of Catan. That's probably way too elementary for you

[Tim Pool]

guys, but we have. We've got Settlers out there somewhere.

[Jesse Arm]

That's my.

[Tim Pool]

We got all the games. We got. We got Carcasson, too.

[Jesse Arm]

Line all the time.

[Tim Pool]

We got all the good stuff. But, yeah, go to Mamba.

[Jesse Arm]

Carcassonne is fun.

[Tim Pool]

Hang out and play. Commander Evan says, hey, Phil, welcome back.

[Phil that Remains]

How diverse.

[Tim Pool]

Lots of welcome back. Phil's welcome back. Phil. Welcome back.

[Phil that Remains]

Phil.

[Tim Pool]

Phil, when are you coming to Omaha?

[Phil that Remains]

We don't have anything booked right now.

[Tim Pool]

I heard they got good steaks.

[Phil that Remains]

Omaha does have good steaks. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Good stuff.

[Phil that Remains]

I like Nebraska.

[Jesse Arm]

You guys can do a pie with Warren Buffett.

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, there you go.

[Tim Pool]

Brad Zeppelin says, I heard a theory today that the Dems are deliberately tanking platinum. Then they have till July 13th to a point. Aka Kamala. A different candidate. It was his own side that released his sexting info. Indeed it was. Indeed it was. And Mills maybe comes back or something. It's weird what they're doing. It's just weird stuff.

[Brett Dasovic]

You can write a book after he fails called Mein Kampf.

[Jesse Arm]

Keep an eye out. Jared Golden, Congressman from Maine, would have been a better pick to begin with. Maybe. Maybe that'll be someone they try to sneak in there.

[Tim Pool]

This is weird. Desert army man says a Democrat named Dan Sullivan filed to run for senate against incumbent senator Dan Sullivan in Alaska, coincidentally after Mary Peltola had a campaign stop where he lives.

[Jesse Arm]

These people will do anything rather than moderate on policy. They will just nominate a dude with the same exact name as the Republican candidate.

[Tim Pool]

That's insane, man. Same woman says Tim. I don't care if Hassan was born to the us He's a commie and has betrayed the usa. He should be thrown into prison for life or exiled from the nation. Well, you know, that's what war sounds like.

[Phil that Remains]

Just deport him.

[Tim Pool]

Deport him. But where he was born here, Turkey, he's.

[Phil that Remains]

He's got Turkish citizenship. If I understand correctly. He grew up.

[Tim Pool]

You know what Omega Resettle says. Tim Pool Glock. You may as well give them Bud Light, because as a CPL instructor, I will tell you that Glock is the Bud Light of guns. Glocks are gay. Chad's pretty good.

[Brett Dasovic]

Phil is not.

[Tim Pool]

Point was happy with. The government is not going to give you a Springfield 1911. You're getting bottom of the barrel. That's the point. You're going to get a generic mil spec ar and a Glock. We're not breaking the bank for you. You're getting a free government gun.

[Brett Dasovic]

And the test is they give you a SIG320 and make you drop it over and over.

[Phil that Remains]

Look, you can hate on Glocks all you want, but Glocks work.

[Jesse Arm]

So does Bud Light.

[Tim Pool]

For the record, I mean, yes, if you want to get drunk, Y. You know, but that was kind of my point. The government is not going to break the bank. We're not asking the government to just dish out on the high end stuff. It is generic. You are getting the bottom of the barrel. But it's free.

[Jesse Arm]

Someone wrote an essay in the Atlantic the other day about how good Coors Light is. And it was kind of a beautifully written essay. An ode to Coors Light just in

[Phil that Remains]

time for pride month.

[Jesse Arm]

My tastes are honestly even lower. I like like hams or natty light

[Tim Pool]

or stuff like that, but it's really fun.

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Going to Chicago with people who've never been there because we always have to go to Portillo's.

[Jesse Arm]

Oh, so good.

[Tim Pool]

But then we went to a Whole Foods and I, I, I can't remember. I think it might have been. Kellen was just like, what's a good beer to get? And then like, I think Brandon is going like, oh, you gotta get like this, this micro brew. I'm like, no, no, no. Stop, stop. Old style. Yeah. You get a case of old style. Every bar in Chicago's got the old style sign above it. That's, that's what people drink. You know, it's, it's the, it's the, you're chilling and you're cracking a beer from the case. You get all stuff. That's what people drink.

[Jesse Arm]

A lot of bells, Oberon fans, brands in Chicago too. A lot of Michigan.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not familiar with that one.

[Jesse Arm]

That's good. It's Michigan beer.

[Tim Pool]

But then they got their Chicago stuff. They got 312 and you get the Goose island stuff. Everyone knows Goose Island. Yeah, it's like if you want to just have the, like, I don't want to rag on old style because it's old style, but it's not like, you know, your prestigious microbe or anything like that.

[Jesse Arm]

You guys get deep dish pizza when you're in Chicago?

[Tim Pool]

No, that's for tourists. When we bring people to Chicago, we give them square cut Tavern.

[Jesse Arm]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I, you know what's funny is like I live in Chicago and I probably had deep dish like 15 times in 20 years.

[Brett Dasovic]

Tavern, superior Pizza.

[Tim Pool]

We'd have pizza once a week, but it would always be Tavern. Square cut. Tavern is the same pizza. You guys go to Chicago, you find a place that's got tavern style extra large Gardner pizza. And right now there are people saying, I don't know what Gardiner is. That's too bad.

[Jesse Arm]

It's good. There's a spot in D.C. actually that puts Gardnera on not Chicago style deep dish, but Detroit style square pizza. Detroit good combo.

[Tim Pool]

That's pizza and grandma.

[Brett Dasovic]

I'd never heard of that until I, I met my wife. That there was actually Detroit style pizza.

[Tim Pool]

You know, actually it's pretty good.

[Jesse Arm]

I never even really heard. I grew up in Detroit and I didn't really like know a lot about like Detroit style pizza. Like we had square pizza, whatever. But then I moved to New York City and all of a sudden Detroit style pizza got hot like eight years ago. And it was like the new trendy thing popping up all over the place.

[Tim Pool]

It's like a thicker, fluffy crust, right?

[Jesse Arm]

Yeah, like a thicker crust with like a caramel. Like a buttered outside. That's good. It's pan pizza. It's good.

[Tim Pool]

It's like a Sicilian, right?

[Jesse Arm]

Very similar.

[Tim Pool]

Fluffy. I went to Grand Rapids. I got pizza once. I don't recommend it. I would equate it to white bread with ketchup and American cheese.

[Jesse Arm]

Probably a lot of that in Grand Rapids.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I gotta be honest. I love a grilled cheese. Just two pieces of white bread, American cheese dipped in ketchup. It's just not pizza for the most part.

[Brett Dasovic]

People are like, even bad pizzas, good pizza.

[Phil that Remains]

We just did four show. Like that tour we did. We did four shows in Michigan and pizza in Michigan. Like, we had pizza a couple times for after show. You know, they just bring pizzas in or whatever, and it's. It's not so hot.

[Jesse Arm]

Well, they're. That's because you didn't douse it in ranch dressing. That's the proper way to consume pizza.

[Tim Pool]

But I gotta tell you guys, Giardin era, okay, they call it hot peppers at potbellies. You can find it. You put on a pizza. We're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone in your life. Make sure you join [e-mail] if you want to call in and talk to us and our guest. And we'd like you to. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Sir, would you like to shout anything out?

[Jesse Arm]

Nothing, I mean. Oh, yeah, no, I'll shout out the Manhattan Institute. Check out the Manhattan Institute. Manhattan Institute. Very easy website to remember. And I'll shout out me. You can follow me at Jessielleg on Instagram and X.

[Brett Dasovic]

Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and X at Brett Dasovic on both those platforms. Make sure you check out PCC. We are live five days a week, Monday through Friday, 3pm Eastern Standard Time, noon Pacific. See you there, guys.

[Phil that Remains]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that Remains. You can check out all that Remains music on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify, and Deezer. We will be playing the warped tour in D.C. in a couple of weeks. I think it's the first 14th slew of bands that.

[Tim Pool]

Are they gonna have a mini ramp there?

[Phil that Remains]

Probably, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Can you get us passes to the mini ramp?

[Phil that Remains]

Yeah, let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's do it.

[Phil that Remains]

All right, let's go.

[Tim Pool]

I'M Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks on X and at Carter Banks Official on Instagram. Follow our label at Trash house Records on YouTube.

[Jesse Arm]

Got a song coming out on the 19th.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna drop a promo like tomorrow or the next day. But yeah, stay tuned. It's gonna be cool.

[Phil that Remains]

Don't forget the left lens for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you all. It's been over a month.

[Phil that Remains]

There were a bunch of people that brought signs at Rockville. Someone held up a big sign that said, left lane is for crime. It was great. Thank you guys for showing up to the show.

[Tim Pool]

We'll see you all at rumble. Com. Timcastirl right now. Thanks for hanging out.