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Episode: Democrats COLLUDED With Epstein To HURT Trump, Emails BACKFIRE w/ Andy Schoonover
Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Timcast Media (Tim Pool & co-hosts)
Guest: Andy Schoonover (CEO, Crowd Health)

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into a bombshell report alleging House Democrats communicated with Jeffrey Epstein during 2019 hearings to undermine Donald Trump. The panel analyzes the substance and political fallout of the accusations, the broader Epstein saga, and its lingering impact on American politics and media narratives. The group also covers related political and cultural topics, including tariff dividends in the 2026 midterms, urban polarization, and the shape of online and offline discourse.

Main Themes & Key Discussion Points

1. Epstein Allegations & Political Weaponization

• Topic: Washington Post and New York Post reports allege House Democrats exchanged texts with Jeffrey Epstein during the 2019 congressional hearings, seeking his input to damage Trump.
• Revelations: Epstein was supposedly feeding questions and advice to Rep. Stacy Plaskett during Michael Cohen's 2019 House testimony.
  • Notable Exchange (02:24):
    • Epstein (text): “Cohen brought up Rona, Keeper of secrets…” [misspelled]
    • Plaskett (text): “Quick, I'm up next…”
  • Debated whether this disclosure is a game-changer or just “red meat” for the political base.
• Panel Tone: Skeptical about whether these revelations will move public opinion, given the political and media environment.

Quote:

“It's red meat. It's red meat for the Democrats. …they just wait till a month or a few weeks after an election to drop it… completely ridiculous.” – Tate Brown (02:59)

2. Epstein’s Web: Blackmail, Intelligence, and Scandal Fatigue

• Discussion:
  • The Epstein case is multilayered, involving alleged sexual abuse, blackmail, and intelligence ties spanning the US, Israel, and beyond.
  • Panelists express frustration at lack of deeper investigation—particularly into Epstein’s intelligence connections and the ‘real’ story behind his influence over world leaders and academics.
  • Public/fan fatigue is real—coverage often resurfaces only when politically useful.

Quote:

“There’s so many different stories… at first it was reported there was video… then it was all of a sudden there wasn’t video.” – Shane Cashman (07:29)

Key Moments:

• Shane Cashman argues for focus on enduring questions:
  • Why Epstein’s sweetheart deal in prison?
  • Was he an intelligence asset, and for whom?
  • Unanswered crimes beyond high-profile political connections.

3. The ‘List’ Myth and Media Narratives

• Topic: Why is there continual obsession with “the Epstein list” and will its release matter?
• Debate: Is the idea of a secret ‘list’ meaningful, or just a political tool?
  • Even Trump’s stance on the list has apparently shifted for strategic reasons.
  • Media keeps the “list” as a perpetual, tantalizing, and often empty, scandal lever.

Quotes:

“I feel like it’s a diversion. It’s a diversion from what people really want, which is — show me the damn list.” – Andy Schoonover (11:32)

“There’s like 30 lists now. Now people are feeling FOMO if they’re not on the list.” – Tate Brown (12:59)

4. Kitchen Table Issues vs ‘Online’ Obsessions

• Key Point: The group agrees kitchen table issues (e.g., cost of groceries, jobs, healthcare) will decide upcoming elections—not Epstein.
  • Salacious stories like Epstein serve as fodder for online discourse and internal party conflict but have limited real-world electoral impact.
  • The ‘online vs. real-life’ divide is an ongoing theme:
    • Mainstream base follows Fox, not X/Twitter; ‘Epstein list’ discourse is seen as niche.
    • Trump’s polling unaffected by Epstein scandals—evidence that only a small, vocal minority are truly engaged with the topic.

Quotes:

“Politics is moved by kitchen table issues.” – Host (22:16)
“The American people at the kitchen table aren’t talking about Epstein. They’re talking about grocery prices.” – Tim Pool on Jesse Watters (16:35)

5. Trump’s $2,000 Tariff Dividends and Economic Strategy

• News: Trump’s proposal to give $2,000 “tariff dividends” to moderate-income Americans before the 2026 midterms using revenue generated from tariffs.
• Analysis:
  • Panel is divided; most see it as a short-term political ploy (“buying votes”).
  • Andy Schoonover argues the tariff revenue should tackle the deficit, not fund dividends.
  • Significant discussion on the conflicting long-term economics of tariffs, manufacturing, AI, and cash injections.

Quotes:

“This is a short-term benefit… it can’t coexist in a pro data-center dystopia…” – Shane (39:50)
“Anytime you do cash injections, you end up exacerbating the gap between poor and inflation…” – Host (48:17)
“We should put all this money… toward reducing the deficit. We are toast if we can’t get these deficits down.” – Andy Schoonover (44:11)

6. Urban Polarization: Staten Island Secession and Societal Fragmentation

• Story: Staten Island renews push to secede from NYC after leftward shift in city, and rapidly escalating taxes.
• Broader Analysis:
  • Big cities’ left-wing governance and regulatory overreach fuel ‘flight’ to suburbs and red states.
  • Panelists argue this trend has national ramifications—cultural, economic, and political.

Quotes:

“If Staten Island leaves, New York City becomes a socialist. Guarantee you will never get a Republican or independent mayor again.” – Tim Pool (53:41) “New York’s a particularly interesting example… destroying that has a huge demoralizing effect on Americans.” – Tate (57:34)

7. Political and Cultural Fatigue

• Ongoing Theme:
  • "Scandal fatigue" and culture-war malaise are rising.
  • Many are tuning out from partisan outrage, seeking more novel or non-political content (e.g., UFOs, true crime, reality TV).
  • Rise of “TMZ-ification” of politics—scandal, drama, and conspiracy theories get more attention than policy.

Quote:

“It feels like nothing's happening. …I feel like a rag being squeezed as hard as possible… just waiting for that pop…” – Tim Pool (61:33)
“People just want to hear about the drama. It's the Real Housewives of Politics.” – Chat comment reference (103:49)

8. Drama, Conspiracies, and “Woke” Labeling

• Sub-discussion:
  • Candace Owens’ handling of conspiracy theories (e.g., Charlie Kirk assassination) vs. traditional policy talk.
  • The panel discusses the political and psychological draw of drama and conspiratorial narratives over dry policy.
  • The changing landscape of online personalities leading public discourse, and the blurring of commentary, entertainment, and activism.

Quote:

“Her claims portray the official narrative…as a government orchestrated cover up up involving evidence tampering, witness suppression, and planted details. I gotta be honest, that narrative is infinitely more interesting than tariffs.” – Tim Pool on Candace Owens (72:46)

9. AI, Social Media, and Societal Change

• Discussion:
  • Rising concerns about AI's impact on jobs, the economy, and data-center-driven societal transformation.
  • Fears that data-driven ‘hive mind’ tech narratives (ex: “Pluribus” TV show) may reflect real trends in media influence and mass psychology.

Key Exchange:

“…we are already in this right now… what you see [on social media] is how you behave…a miniature version of the Hive.” – Tim Pool (81:14)

10. Self-defense, Legal Trends, and ‘Anarcho-Tyranny’

• Case: Michigan man charged after shooting a teen who broke into his garage—intense debate on legal rights, the realities of defending oneself, and juries’ perceptions.
• Broader Point: Erosion of self-defense rights in blue states, rising anger about criminal justice double standards, and the stress placed on law-abiding citizens.

Quote:

“I'm tired of these stories where a criminal caused a fight and the homeowner is the one who gets punished.” – Tim Pool (92:09)

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “It's a diversion from what people really want, which is — show me the damn list.”
  — Andy Schoonover, 11:32
• “The American people at the kitchen table aren’t talking about Epstein. They’re talking about grocery prices.”
  — Tim Pool (on Jesse Watters), 16:35
• “Politics is moved by kitchen table issues.”
  — Host, 22:16
• “This is a short-term benefit… it can’t coexist in a pro data-center dystopia…”
  — Shane, 39:50
• “We should put all this money… toward reducing the deficit. We are toast if we can’t get these deficits down.”
  — Andy Schoonover, 44:11
• “If Staten Island leaves, New York City becomes a socialist. Guarantee you will never get a Republican or independent mayor again.”
  — Tim Pool, 53:41
• “Her claims portray the official narrative…as a government orchestrated cover up… I gotta be honest, that narrative is infinitely more interesting than tariffs."
  — Tim Pool, 72:46
• “I'm tired of these stories where a criminal caused a fight and the homeowner is the one who gets punished.”
  — Tim Pool, 92:09

Timeline of Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic/Event | |-----------|-------------| | 00:26 | Introduction to breaking Epstein/Democrats texts story | | 02:23 | Reading alleged texts between Epstein and Plaskett | | 11:32 | Debate on “the list” and political distractions | | 16:35 | Tim Pool's on-air commentary with Jesse Watters about kitchen table issues vs. Epstein | | 39:50 | Analysis of Trump's $2,000 tariff dividend proposal | | 53:41 | Staten Island secession debate and urban political polarization | | 61:33 | Political/culture war fatigue and desire for change in discourse | | 72:46 | Candace Owens, conspiracy narratives, and changing media appetite | | 81:14 | AI, social media “hive mind” analogies and worries | | 92:09 | Debate over self-defense and legal double standards in blue states |

Episode Tone & Closing Thoughts

The panel, in classic Timcast IRL fashion, is blunt, skeptical, and often jocular, but with bursts of exasperation and seriousness—especially around the futility and fatigue surrounding perennial scandals like Epstein, the endless news cycle churn, and the economic challenges in modern America. The group stresses the growing gap between online narratives and the tangible concerns of most voters.

For listeners new to the episode:
This is a snapshot of the intersection of scandal-politics and real-world anxieties in late 2025. The discussion gives you both high-level political analysis and the cultural pulse from an independent, uncensored vantage. Expect strong opinions, irreverent humor, and sharp reminders that for most Americans, the Epstein drama may be the least consequential story fighting for their attention.