Democrats Launch DESPERATE MILLION Dollar Bid To Find "Liberal Joe Rogan" Project SAM w/ Steve Baker

Summary

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Title: Democrats Launch DESPERATE MILLION Dollar Bid To Find "Liberal Joe Rogan" Project SAM w/ Steve Baker
Release Date: May 28, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Steve Baker, A Lot Eliyahu (White House Correspondent), Phil Labonte (Lead Singer of A Day to Remember)

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Introduction to Project SAM

[00:00] Tim Pool:
Tim Pool opens the episode by criticizing the Democratic Party's Project SAM (Strategic Plan to Speak with American Men), highlighting their $20 million investment aimed at understanding and communicating with American men—a demographic they allegedly struggle to engage. Pool mockingly refers to their attempt to create a "liberal Joe Rogan," suggesting that Democrats are out of touch with working-class men.

"Democrats are spending $20 million on a project to learn how to talk to men because they don't know how. I'm loving this." ([00:00])

Democrats' Strategy to Engage Men

[05:54] Derek Thompson (Quoted by Tim Pool):
Tim Pool cites a proposal from Derek Thompson of The Atlantic, who suggests that Democrats should create non-political "men's health sleeper cell" podcasts. The idea is to build trust and, at a crucial moment, subtly encourage listeners to vote Democrat—an approach Pool criticizes as manipulative and ineffective.

"Just create a bunch of health podcasts and then trick people at the very last minute into voting Democrat." ([07:31])

Analysis of Democratic Policies and Appeal

[07:43] Steve Baker:
Steve Baker discusses how Democrats are attempting to align with Republican rhetoric covertly, running as Republicans in states like Texas while remaining Democrats in disguise within the state legislature. This strategy underscores the Democrats' commitment to their policies, which Pool argues are out of touch with the average voter.

Media Landscape and Fox News Ratings

[24:07] Tim Pool:
Pool delves into the declining ratings of major cable networks, highlighting the decreasing viewership of shows like "The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell" and comparing them to his own platform, Timcast IRL, which he claims garners significantly higher viewership in the key demographic.

"With all due respect, I'm a fan of the Five. How are they gonna pay this guy $5 million a year if he's pulling in only 300k per episode?" ([30:22])

Influence of Big Pharma on Media

[33:37] Tim Pool:
A significant portion of the discussion centers on the influence of pharmaceutical companies on mainstream media. Pool argues that Big Pharma funds cable news networks to secure favorable policies from Democratic politicians, thereby controlling the narrative and suppressing dissenting voices.

"Pharmaceutical companies are gonna make contributions when and where they can. They're gonna prop up corporate news outlets." ([34:40])

Jordan Peterson's Controversial Appearance on Jubilee

[78:22] Tim Pool:
The episode critiques Jordan Peterson's recent appearance on Jubilee's "One Christian vs. 20 Atheists" debate. Pool and his guests express disappointment in Peterson's performance, noting his inability to clearly identify as a Christian, which muddles the debate's purpose and undermines his previously respected stance on free speech and rational discourse.

"Jordan Peterson is getting ragged on because he kept doing semantic games. He was being precise, but it didn’t serve the debate." ([90:23])

Policy Discussions: Attracting Young Men to the Democratic Party

[21:08] Tim Pool:
The conversation shifts to strategies for Democrats to win back young male voters. Pool suggests that Democrats need to adopt policies that resonate with working-class men, such as securing borders and protecting jobs from foreign competition, rather than focusing on progressive social issues that may alienate this demographic.

"If Democrats started to bring men in and let them speak, it would create social pressures where more women would move over to their line of thinking." ([22:57])

Listener Interactions and Q&A

[98:28] Tim Pool:
In the listener chat segment, contributors discuss various topics, including civil rights violations, the portrayal of homosexuality in media, and tax system reforms. Pool addresses these interactions by providing his perspectives and encouraging audience engagement through platforms like Rumble.

Conclusion

[122:10] Tim Pool:
Tim Pool wraps up the episode by reiterating his main points: Democrats' misguided efforts to engage men through Project SAM, the detrimental influence of Big Pharma on media narratives, and the need for genuine policy reforms to attract working-class voters. He also promotes upcoming content and sponsors, maintaining the episode's focus on political analysis and media critique.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Democrats are spending $20 million on a project to learn how to talk to men because they don't know how." — Tim Pool ([00:00])

• "Just create a bunch of health podcasts and then trick people at the very last minute into voting Democrat." — Derek Thompson, as quoted by Tim Pool ([07:31])

• "Pharmaceutical companies are gonna make contributions when and where they can. They're gonna prop up corporate news outlets." — Tim Pool ([34:40])

• "Jordan Peterson is getting ragged on because he kept doing semantic games. He was being precise, but it didn’t serve the debate." — Tim Pool ([90:23])

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This summary encapsulates the main discussions and insights from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened. It highlights Tim Pool's critical stance on Democratic strategies, media influence, and policy directions, supplemented with guest contributions and notable quotes.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

It's our greatest fear realized. Democrats launching project code named Sam Speaking to American men or speaking with American men. Yeah, I'm kidding. By the way. This is laughably absurd. Democrats are spending $20 million on a project to learn how to talk to men because they don't know how. I'm loving this. At the same time, they're on their quest for their liberal Joe Rogan and they just don't get it. We're gonna break this down. But it comes down to basically your policies are really bad, your elitists and the fact that you're trying to learn how to talk to men shows exactly what the problem is. You don't act like people, just like regular people who have a conversation. Prominent writer for the Atlantic said, I have a suggestion. Just create a bunch of health podcasts and then trick people at the very last minute into voting Democrat. Which is exactly what they're doing now. And they can't understand it now. Of course, maybe it comes and goes in waves and the moderates that joined the right will shift back depending on what happens. But we'll see two big projects from Democrats cuz they lost an election. We got that. Then we got Donald Trump launching his truth Social post where he claims Canada is considering becoming the 51st state. They're not, but it's funny that he said it. We'll talk about that. Plus a bunch of other news. Obviously there was a big conundrum. Not conundrum, a big controversy surrounding Jordan Peterson who appeared on a Jubilee show, one Christian versus 20 atheists. And then Jordan Peterson is like, I'm not a Christian. I never said that. And then they had to change the title and now the whole episode makes no sense and everyone's ragging on Jordan Peterson from left to right. So we'll get into all that. We are back, my friends, before we get started, we got a great sponsor. It is home title lock check out. Make sure you go to hometitlelock.com promo code. Tim, if you're a homeowner, you need to listen to this. When's the last time you checked on your home title? That's the legal proof you own your house. And if you're like me, the answer is never. To be honest, the answer was never. Until we actually started looking into this stuff. And then we checked. Seriously, we did. But to be fair, we check on this stuff regularly because of the threats that we get and it is serious. The problem is, in today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles and your equity is the target. Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee with your county and boom, you, your home title has been transferred out of your name. Then they take out loans using your equity or even sell your property. You won't even know what's happened until finally you get a collection or a foreclosure notice. That's why you need to stop what you're doing and find out today if you're already a victim. Use promo code [e-mail] to make sure your title is still in your name. You'll also get a free title history report plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That's 24,7 monitoring of your title, urgent alerts to any changes and if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to $1 million to fix it. Go to home title lock.com now use promo code TIM once again home title lock.com promo code TIM. And don't forget, go to boonies hq.com we got step on snack and find out boards back in stock. So if you think people should not step on snack because they would find out then go to boonies hq, pick up one of these step on snack and find out boards. We got a bunch of others though. I'm absolutely thrilled by this one. The 20th Amendment Board. I want to say thank you to everybody. A heartfelt sincere thank you. This is my gag 20th amendment, the right to keep bear and breeding chickens not being infringed. And we've sold out of this I think two or three times. So they're back in stock. If you guys want to pick up your right to keep bear and breed chickens skateboards@boonies hq.com don't forget to also smash that like button. Share the show right now with everyone you know, really do appreciate it. Joining us tonight talk about this and some much more is Steve Baker.

[Steve Baker]

Tim, so good to be back.

[Tim Pool]

Welcome back.

[Steve Baker]

Who are you having me.

[Tim Pool]

What do you do?

[Steve Baker]

What do I do? I write for the Blaze on occasion.

[Tim Pool]

Journalist. Yeah. Writer.

[Steve Baker]

Yeah, they, they actually, they actually want more content out of me but they keep putting me on these jobs that takes me, you know, into the deep, dark nether regions of investigative reporting.

[Tim Pool]

So yeah, we, we have an episode of the Green room [e-mail] coming up in a little bit where you were talking about directed energy weapons used on January 6th maybe. Oh, very spooky.

[Steve Baker]

Maybe creepy.

[Tim Pool]

So thanks for joining us. Should be fun.

[Steve Baker]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We also Have a lot hanging out.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Hey, everybody, Good evening. Excuse me, my name is A Lot Eliyahu. I'm the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. I hope everybody had a very meaningful Memorial Day weekend. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all the Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the story from the independent Democrats spending millions to learn how to speak to American men and win back the working class. It's not going to happen. Look at this photo. These, I love it. They're like, let's get a picture of a guy doing what looks appears to be electrical work. I think it's electrical work, right? Party leaders are holing up in a luxury in luxury hotel rooms. Okay, problem number one on a strategy codenamed Sam, or speaking with American men, a strategic plan, which of course would be swamisp. Not. Not Sam. To try and convince working class to vote their way again. According to a report, they've blown millions of dollars, upwards of 20 million on their efforts with donors and strategists holing up in luxury hotel rooms brainstorming how to convince working class men to return to the party. The plan, codename Sam, we get it. Promises to use the funds to study the syntax, language and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces. Along with this, we had this report from the New York Times. Democrats throw money at a problem countering GOP clout. At private gatherings, strategists and donors are swapping ideas to help the party capture the digital mojo that helped President Trump win. Yes, there's a price tag. Hey, look, it's everybody's favorite TDS cheerleader, Brian Tyler Cohen, who I think nine out of 10 of his videos are just pictures of Trump. I'm not kidding. Go to his YouTube channel.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, don't. But I guess if you do, you'll see literally nothing but Trump is bad in oh, so many ways. But hey, you know, it works for him. He games the algorithm and he makes money off it. Now, to exemplify this, I have this tweet from Derek Thompson, who I think hits the nail on the head with the hammer as to why Democrats cannot figure this out. Derek Thompson, of course, from the Atlantic, writes, what Democrats really need is a way to reach people, especially young men, who aren't consuming political news at all. My plan, if donors are listening, is that Democrats should create a men's health sleeper cell movement. You astroturf liberal Joe Rogan by paying a bunch of ripped great looking male influencers to do three years of non political stuff. Historical conspiracies, weird health ish supplement, advocacy, et cetera. And then In August of 2028, they all can, they're all contractually obligated to go, oh, by the way, vote for the Democrat. What I absolutely love about that is he's saying, I know, let's trick people into voting Democrat. Which didn't work the first time. And additionally, this is what they did in 2016. Prominent personalities and celebrities all came out and said, yay Democrat. The issue is you have weird policies. Working class guys don't wanna chop off little kids balls and they don't want open borders, they want their jobs back. So Democrats, if they came out and they were like, I'm just like Joe Rogan. The moon is a secret terraforming base created by aliens and the pyramids can actually walk people. Like, that's interesting. And then he went, also, we should remove the testicles of children. They'd be like, I'm not voting Democrat, dude. It's not gonna happen. If Democrats want to win, they need to change their policies. The problem is they really want these policies.

[Steve Baker]

So you know what they're doing in Texas instead? They're just running covertly in Texas. They're running as Republicans. They say all the right words as Republicans. And then when they get to the state House.

[Tim Pool]

Democrats.

[Steve Baker]

They're Democrats.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. Oops. All Democrats.

[Steve Baker]

That's the strategy.

[Tim Pool]

I guess that's what they have to do. They, they really do want these policies. They're not going to walk away from them.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

As a bros bro, I'll give the Democrats some free advice because I know they won't follow it anyway because they are beholden to the far left. The issue at hand here is that men don't wanna be toned, police and put up on endless purity tests. They don't wanna have to feel like they're walking around on eggshells when they're on a podcast or what have you. So none of this would work because they'd say the wrong thing in a podcast and none of their viewers would end up forgiving them because of some misdeed that they've done in the past. And there's no room for forgiveness in the far left space. It's just an endless firing fraud on one another. So that's why I don't think this stuff is gonna pan out for them. The bros need space to feel comfortable being themselves, being a little bit off colored and that is no longer permitted at all in these leftist spaces. So men are ostracized out of their spaces, especially young men. And I don't think there's a very effective way to bring them back in at this point.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, young people, young men know how the Democrats have looked at them and spoke about them for the past two decades, probably. I. I don't think that there's going to be any confusion among young men when it comes to the position the left have regarding young men.

[Steve Baker]

It's.

[Phil Labonte]

It's been so overstated or it's been drilled into society, essentially. You've got it all over pop culture. The. The doofy husband that wouldn't be able to function if it wasn't for his brilliant wife that does everything. That's something that trope has been trotted out for in every sitcom, in every, you know, finish real quick.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it's in everywhere that you look. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's everywhere that men are considered bad. Toxic masculinity. Men are looked at as the problem, and women are looked at as the solution, according to Democrats. But no hiding that.

[Tim Pool]

I want to push back in that. While I would argue that the sitcom problem we have is that everybody hates marriage is the. Is the bigger issue. Homer Simpson is an. Is a. Who just magically succeeds at everything he does, no matter what. And Peter Griffin is much the same. Right. They actually made a joke about it where Peter has a helicopter and Joe is like, how can you afford these things? So they. They have the. The idiot doofy fat husband trope, but at least as far as it goes with, like, Simpsons and Family Guy. Homer's an astronaut. He went to space.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, like, so, fair enough. So. So take that, you know, take that for what it's worth. But it's the point. Broad point still remains. Toxic masculinity. There is no positive role models for men. The. The. The idea of masculinity is looked at as overall just bad. So fair point On. On, you know, Homer and stuff like that. But I think that the overall point still stands. Men have been demonized by the left. Young men know it, they've seen it, they've grown up with it. And they're not going to be attracted to the left just by Hassan saying, yo, bro, I go to the gym, too. That's just not going to work.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I actually wonder who watches channels like his.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

You know, I think it's mostly men dressed like women. Yeah. And probably men dressed women.

[Tim Pool]

You said.

[Phil Labonte]

I said men dressed like women.

[Steve Baker]

Ah, let's see, where did I go to the restroom, though? Because, see, that's the brilliance on the right is that if you can demonize them for going, you know, men dress like women from going into the women's room, and then they go into the men's room dressed like a woman.

[Tim Pool]

It's a big loser.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, it is, but like, it's, it's also, it's, it's. And it's better for a man dressed like a woman to go into the men's room than for a man dressed like a woman to go into the woman's room. I believe that it's, it's tough to pick which one you prefer.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think, I think the issue largely is that Democrats don't have sincere policy plans. They have wacky ideas that they adhere to because you're, you're supposed to. And that's it. They don't want to deviate from those lines. I think liberals all tend to have, don't get me wrong, conservatives have some of this too, but liberals tend to have a degree like your, your degree of how far left you are is where you draw the line on what is acceptable socially. So far left doesn't mean you're a socialist anymore. Probably does correlate. It just means that you buy into everything the left offers. Then you have like the moderate left and it's like, well, you, you're not going as far as some of these leftists, but you still don't like Trump. And then you're liberal if you can disagree with all those things, but you still hate Trump no matter what. You won't recognize when the media lied to you. You have to hate Trump and you can agree on everything else. You can call woke bad, but you're going to be a liberal. That means you have to hate Trump and then you're conservative, you just disagree. And so as long as that's the case, that means regular run of the mill guys who are like, I don't really care that much about Trump at all. They're like, well, then you're conservative. It's like, okay. I guess the problem with Democrats is not how they're talking. It's that they're basically saying to young men, do you like Trump? And they go, don't really know much about him. You're a white supremacist. And they're like, okay, bye.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think it's, if you don't adhere to all of their ideological perspectives, then you're othered immediately. So if you are pro choice, you are not welcome in Democrat circles. If you are anti immigration, if you wanna build the wall, then you're not welcome in any of these circles. If you don't believe in Medicare for all, you're not welcome in these circles. And increasingly, if you're not a socialist or a communist, you're not welcome in these circles. And a virtue signal to those people and within the party, those people will purity test and ostracize you because that's where the base is. I think there's a white pill way to read into this and it's that after decades of demonizing young white men, the Democrats are finally deciding that it's not a winning strategy and they're working to refocus outreach to them. So I think this may indeed be a sign of a white boy summer to come.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I actually think the Democrat strategy was white people don't have kids, so don't bet on them for the future. So they were probably looking at a combination of racial in group preference, except for white liberals with a racial out group preference. And they said, how do we build a coalition? We're going to need something that brings together all races and white liberals. And that's why you end up with dei. So they're trying to unify all of these groups under one umbrella. Then they basically say, we will take your job from you, we will destroy your life. Unless you agree with every aspect of the psychotic ideology, which is a big tent that, you know, they're jamming puzzle pieces into spaces they don't fit. The right is just like, you guys want to hang out and debate and like, sure, I don't agree with you. That's cool. I don't agree with you. Well, what should we do? That's the right. Largely, not completely.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

It's become more big tent, I feel.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, yeah, but the thing is that's because the left is so exclusive, right? The left kicks everyone out that doesn't agree. Again, this is something that we talked about a lot of times. But the reason that Donald Trump is in the Republican party is because he used to be a Democrat and now he wouldn't be welcome in the Democrat party. Same thing with jfk, same thing with Tulsi Gabbard. Same thing with, you know, down the line there's many, many, many, many people that you can name in public life, in the administration that used to be Democrat and have just normal person opinions. But because they don't believe things like you know, men can become women. They're excommunicated from the Democrat Party. That's why the maga, you know, the maga big tent is what it is. That's why the people that are, you know, pro choice as well as people that are pro life into the.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Under.

[Phil Labonte]

Under the MAGA tent, because it's a big tent, you know, party.

[Tim Pool]

I want to pull up this clip. We've got this from Hollywood Reporter. Democrat comedians basically admitting they only target Donald Trump because of audience capture. Listen to this.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That was going to be the title.

[Tim Pool]

Of one of my specials, Kill the Comedian. Because it's just like, you know, it's also like you're the only ones going after Trump. You're the only ones going after Trump. It's like the pressure to constantly talk about Trump. It's like, we're also comedians. You're also to give people, provide people with a reprieve from thinking about Donald Trump for a minute, for an hour, for what, however long your show is, you know, you want to provide. That's why I like also doing stand up, too, because I'm so tired of it. It's like, I've been there, done that. Everyone knows how I feel. I can't just keep banging this drum. You weren't using your platform enough to speak about the. Here's. Here's what I get from this clip when. What was that guy's name? The guy. I forget these people's names. The. What's his face? This guy. What's that guy's name?

[Phil Labonte]

I have no idea. I know he does one of the nightly shows, but I have no idea.

[Steve Baker]

Yeah, another one of those nightly shows that I never.

[Tim Pool]

I forget these.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Seth.

[Tim Pool]

Seth Meyers.

[Phil Labonte]

Seth Meyers. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Seth Green. Seth Meyers.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

There you go. That's right. That's Seth Myers. What I'm hearing from this, where he's like, I like doing stand up because I'm tired of it sometimes. Is that what actually is happening? Media has decentralized to such a degree that anyone can get their opinions from anyone they want. So if there's a guy who firmly believes the earth is both flat and hollow and in fact is a donut, someone can find that and listen to it. It used to be that you watched what was available.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Now what they found is their. Their lowest common denominator is not liking Trump. And so whether you're a socialist, a communist, an anarchist, or just some old lady who thinks Trump is a lizard, you will watch content that says Trump is bad. And so that's what he's actually talking about. It's not that the audience is demanding it, it's that nothing else unifies people anymore. There's no general conversation on news and politics. It is, we hate Trump there. So every nightly talk show starts with that. This is a really great example because when we were, we were looking at these liberal youtubers right now the Democrats are looking to spend a lot of money on and you go to like David Pakman or Brian Tyler Cohen, and almost every single video they do is just a photo of Trump and something bad written about him. It'll say Trump shocks audience with unhinged comments. That's like, not even specific. It's just pure hatred of Trump driving these views. And I look at him like, how do you get half a million views on this? Probably the same people watching every video nonstop over and over again. And Sean, who was doing research on this, said, hey, it's, it's. Every nightly talk show is the exact same thing. Every monologue from Colbert, from Myers, from Fallon, it's always. And Jimmy Kimmel always the same thing. Here's why Trump is bad. Maybe Trump need to just lay off the news for a little bit to see what happens, see what happens to these people. The point is, they don't actually care about Trump. They just know that their ratings are predicated upon if they can say Trump is bad today. Cuz if they came out and they were, you know, look, I have a couple of videos I did about Katy Perry. Surprisingly, they've got like half a million views. And I was like, wow, I don't know, but there was something to talk about. Katy Perry got fired from her Vegas residency or whatever, and they said she lost money. And I'm like, that's, that's actually really interesting for a major celebrity who just went into outer space and all this to be bombing so miserably. More people care about that. The issue for these people is they're addicted to it and they don't know what else to talk about.

[Steve Baker]

Why did Johnny Carson get by with never doing that?

[Tim Pool]

Talking politics?

[Steve Baker]

Well, I mean, he talked politics, but he picked on both sides. He was an equal opportunity offender.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, back then there were very few channels. And so you knew that you were gonna have 10 million liberals, 10 million conservatives, and so you had to be for the big tent approach. Here's what I see. I mean, we seem to have no trouble criticizing Donald Trump on this show. We largely like what he does. So it's not like we're just attacking him. Nonstop, for no reason. But when there's things to criticize him for, I know I can give the same examples over and over and over again. In this term, the. I was skeptical on the universal tariffs. We'll see where we end up with them. In the past term, you had the Tomahawk strikes in, in Syria. Yeah, People have criticized them for these things. And I criticize him for mocking the journalists, getting body slammed, all that stuff. The right is okay with that. You're allowed to make fun of Donald Trump. It's funny. I'll give a shout out to Seamus Coughlin, Freedom Tunes. He makes fun of Trump all the time and people love it. I feel like that energy you're mentioning of Johnny Carson going after both sides. It's just the right now. The left is cultish. You can't.

[Steve Baker]

But their audiences are so much smaller now. Like you pointed out, There was only three options back 45 years ago, but now there's, you know, hundreds of options for entertainment value. But they deliberately ostracize half of their potential audience. Why would they. I still don't understand why. If you're funny, if you are genuinely funny as a comedian, why would you deliberately do that?

[Tim Pool]

Because you have to, one way or the other.

[Steve Baker]

Is that coming from the editorial board of the.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. I'm saying if, if Seth Meyers came out and said, Joe Biden's brain is made of jello, this guy is ridiculous. Who would consider voting for a lunatic? Then the left would riot against them. The conservatives won't come and watch. The left will write and stop watching and their ratings go to zero. So they said, okay, this is the conservatives fault to a certain degree. And I've complained about this quite a bit. These TV shows, you know, like Jimmy Kimmel, what is he getting a couple hundred thousand these days? It's not crazy how small their shows have gotten. Ten years ago they were getting millions. Now they're getting hundreds of thousands. And they're basically saying, look, we went hard against Trump, we bet against them and we lost. If we were to come out now and try and be pro Trump, conservatives won't watch and liberals will leave, so why do it?

[Phil Labonte]

I wonder if the same equate. I wonder if the same kind of calculation will happen when it comes to trying to attract young men. You know, we were just talking about trying to attract young men to the Democrat Party. What happens when young men start coming to the Democrat Party and behaving like young men? The do that. Does the Democrat Party lose the left and then the young men realize, oh, this isn't the place for me, and then lose everything.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think that is the path towards correction. So I would say when you look at the Democratic Party, millennial women make up a large component of it. Right now, they're two thirds liberal and the men lean slightly away. It's like 45% of millennial men are Democrat. These numbers change, but these are, these are the numbers for a few years ago. Millennial men are 55% Republican. 40, 45%. And there's a slight deviation there. Liberal women are more susceptible to social pressures than men are. So when the official mainstream narrative is weird woke psycho garbage, you are likely going to find that women adhere to those narratives more than men do. And because of their feelings, not because of the facts, men are going to be more aggressive and obstinate, and they're going to adhere to facts, things they believe to be true, and argue. If the Democrats started to bring men in and let them speak, it would create social pressures where more women would move over to their line of thinking. They'd still be liberals because you'd have masculine, aggressive, liberal men, not like Hassan. I mean, actually like politically moderate liberal types who are going to say things like, we don't want to trans the kids, but we do need to secure our borders. And we do need, you know, like, I think taxes on the wealth, on the rich make sense. Bring a guy in who says that and is charismatic and you'll see women start adopting those views and abandoning the weird woke ideology stuff.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think with the direction that people getting married is going in in our country, that we're unfortunately not going to see that. And I think people between the parties support is becoming more gendered. That is, more men are supporting the Republican Party, more women are supporting the Democrat Party, and we're actually seeing that to continue to be further exacerbated. And men and women not ending up getting married and exchanging values and deciding one way or another. And I don't know what the downstream consequences of this will be, but I foresee this trend continuing. I think in some other countries, we're seeing more extreme examples of this. So, for example, in like South Korea, the gender divide and how they vote is very extreme. And with the way that the parties signal to the genders, I just foresee it continue to go to that direction. I feel like we'd be remiss if we didn't also mention that the Democrats are overwhelmingly pro choice. And I've said it before on the show that I think women would rather be poor than lose their access to abortion at this point. I mean generally for most women in this country. So just things to consider and so long as the Republicans are anti abortion, you know, there's going to be gendered consequences to that, among other things. But I think that's a big. That plays a big.

[Tim Pool]

I just did a quick Google search on ratings for cable tv. The Last word with Lawrence o' Donnell. How many key demo viewers do you think he had?

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, 50,000.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

12,000? Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This is a five. This is the 5:00pm hour.

[Steve Baker]

Lawrence Aldon, 5:00pm 50,000 in the key demo.

[Tim Pool]

Key demo.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

12,000.

[Steve Baker]

Oh wow.

[Tim Pool]

12,000.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, I think most people who watch. What is he from msnbc? No, nobody. Old people like, old people watch. Like they'll probably get 100k, 200k, but it's all old people. So in the key demo.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I thought it wrote 9,9000.

[Tim Pool]

9,000. Wow. Yeah. Holy crap. I didn't think that was. I, I didn't think it was going.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

To be that low key, especially for let people. Can you explain key demo to people?

[Tim Pool]

Just so 25 to 54 years old.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That's what's important here.

[Tim Pool]

Yo, check this out. This is where things get really crazy. I'm gonna scroll and I got. I should just pull this up on the. Maybe see if I can pull this up so you all can see it.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And do you have Fox's numbers too?

[Tim Pool]

Because.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Oh yeah, kills it.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, bro, wait till you see this. If I can get. What do I. Which article do I have?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Fox is a true underappreciated juggernaut in the media space.

[Tim Pool]

May 21. Let me pull this up. So here we go. They say the five ascended to familiar territories across over the 4 million total viewer threshold on Wednesday evening. Fox News is 5pm Panel show is the number one program in the ad advertiser coveted 25 to 54 demo. However, yo, they're playing flashy word games. How they wrote that the 5 got 391,000 viewers in the key demo. That's number one. The number one cable TV show gets 391,000 viewers in the key demo.

[Steve Baker]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

With all due respect, I'm a fan of the five. Yo, we do like 700. We do like seven. We do between like seven. 800,000 per episode on Timcast IRL. And I think maybe like 600, maybe 650 is key demo. People aren't watching these networks anymore. Except check this out. This is how crazy things are. So if you can look at cnn, you've got a hundred thousand for Anderson Cooper. Yo, that's wild. 9:00pm Hannity's got 300,000. Gutfeld gets 321. 22,000 now. Yo, I was on Waters a couple weeks ago. They don't come out and say this when, when they talk about their ratings. Where's Waters? 372,000. That's awesome. But take a look at their total viewership. Water's got 3.5 million. The five got 4.06, 4.064. The overwhelming majority of the viewers they have are over 55. And I think the average is 70 years old. What's going to happen to this, all of this stuff in 10 years?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, the fact that there's, you know, going to be significantly fewer boomers, like, it's, it's, it's just a continuation of what's been happening for the past decade.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Everything has been moving to the Internet. Everything has been moving away from legacy media. So the trend is just going to continue and probably increase in velocity.

[Steve Baker]

You know, there's significantly few boomers at this table right now, by the way.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, I mean, I'm a boomer at heart, though, so I think I count for one. I wanted to do a little inside of the lines reading here, Tim, if you go back to the full graph here. So I think what is very important for people to understand is that I think 8pm is actually the key spot to have. Like, that is the most coveted TV spot to have, and that's the spot that Tucker Carlson used to fill at Fox News. And now you'd actually notice that the 5, which is at 5 o' clock, is actually getting more viewership than the coveted 8pm spot. I just think it's an important thing to recognize that there's a reason we shoot at 8pm and 8pm is when like football games and everything would start. It's the, it's the key time when people get home and what have you. They're getting less. Waters is getting less views more often than not than the Five is a five.

[Tim Pool]

However, Jesse Waters is like the principal personality of the Five.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Correct. So, you know, I think Waters is.

[Tim Pool]

Like, Waters is like the man at Fox News right now.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's Waters and Gutfeld, basically. I guess. I don't know. I mean, Hannity's getting three and a thousand.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

In a roundabout way, to my guess, I'm saying that Jesse Waters doesn't fill Tucker Carlson's shoes. Who had big shoes to fill when Bill O'Reilly left too.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, and that's crazy. They got rid of Tucker Carlson. That was absolutely nuts.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think Tucker would still be doing monster numbers more than Jesse Waters. But it seems as though he's more interested in doing the Tucker Carlson network stuff.

[Tim Pool]

I, I gotta say, like it is. Look, when I turn on Fox News, do you know what the advertisements are?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Pharmaceuticals for old people.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And, and street EKGs. Have you seen that commercial?

[Steve Baker]

Oh, no.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Is my pillow still there too?

[Tim Pool]

No, not so much. Not so much. Not that I've seen. They have this one commercial where it's a guy, he's like, I am not in a doctor's office. I'm not even a doctor. I'm in the street. And you can get a medical grade EKG by putting your fingers on this thing. How much do you think that costs? All of. And reverse mortgages.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So don't get me wrong. Like older people, elderly need services too. And their services advertised to them. They actually have a disproportionate amount of wealth. There's a lot of hyper concentrated wealth and power in the 65 plus demographic. Now when we look at the average age of viewers on these Networks, it's around 70 years old right now. Because like, to be honest, like 77, seven years ago we were talking about this, the average age was like 65. So I could arguably be like, it's probably 70 now, but I think it's 69, 70 years old. We also see with the real clear politics age breakdown, the only age bracket that opposes Trump is 70 plus. All of this wealth. Homeownership. Corporate equities is about 10 years away from just being up in the air. The votes are gone, the properties are. Where do they go? The corporate equities, where do they go? And all of these channels. Nothing. Yo, I don't know. I do a quick, I did a quick Google search once actually. Let me do it. Let me, let me do a quick Google search now. Jesse Waters salary. And we're picking on, we're picking on Jesse Waters, which we. I'm a fan, by the way. That's why I went on a show. What do you guys think his salary is listed as?

[Phil Labonte]

It'll be a couple million a year at least. I don't know.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

He's probably, he's one of their number ones. APM coveted slot guy. 5 million a year.

[Steve Baker]

I'm going 5.

[Tim Pool]

This is what it says when you Google it. It says 5 million a year. How are they gonna, how are they gonna pay this guy 5 million a year? If he's pulling in 300k per episode.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, especially if they lose the, the pharmaceutical companies.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

That's why they.

[Steve Baker]

10 years, you're asking in 10 years will he be able to pull in that? I mean right now, because as you said, the disproportionate amount of wealth on the boomer market that they're appealing to.

[Tim Pool]

So right now there's also carriage fees too. But yo, young people don't have cable. So I'm wondering. This whole thing's going belly up in 10 years, so. So I did a quick Google search on Hannity. His salary is estimated at $36 million. You know, again, I shouldn't pick on Fox News. We should look at like Anderson Cooper, right?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think there's also, it's worth mentioning that like some of most of Fox News biggest stars have ended up leaving Fox and ended up becoming independent Tim Pool type creators, if you will, podcasters. Megyn Kelly, for example, Tucker Carlson. I'm sure I'm forgetting some others. But like a lot of their best talent, most recognizable talent has left and it really is a sign of where things are to go. But also working at Fox News must be great because, you know, you're tapped into getting tapped on the shoulder by President Trump and being brought on board in the cabinet or something.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just, you know, I'm sitting here Google searching salaries and Anderson Cooper's salary is estimated at $20 million a year for a guy who pulls in 100k in the key demo. I'm just wondering. Let's not even do that. Anderson Cooper Total viewership 582,000. Okay, let's just do some math. How many commercials do you think aired during one hour of Anderson Cooper's show? Like, honest, how many commercials? It could be like three or break.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Probably one every 10 minutes.

[Phil Labonte]

15 to 20.

[Tim Pool]

15 to 20. To be fair. That could be a lot of money with 500,000 views. So if you're doing, you're talking 10K, you could be doing 150,000 per episode. You could, at 500,000 total viewers, you could be 582. You're with a standard CPM. You could be charging 10,000, $10,000 per ad. I don't think it's there though, you know, because we tried to run that gag pillow commercial on Fox News. The idea we had was our pillow. Our pillow was a burlap sack full of styrofoam packing peanuts. And I legit called Fox News and I was like, I want to run a commercial where we try and sell a burlap sack full of styrofoam packing peanuts. And they laughed and they were like, okay, it costs money. Tucker Carlson, who was getting, I think, you know, to be honest, I think he was getting half a million in the key demo and about 3.5 million on average. It was $12,000 for one commercial on his show. So, I mean, that's, that's relatively cheap compared to what you pay on the Internet for podcasts and things like this. Like, I, I think Joe Rogan might charge between 20 and $50,000 per ad read on his show. Yeah, it's a big show. You know what I mean? He's getting millions, but they're closer to the key demo. So to be fair, I mean, there is Joe. I don't understand how Anderson Cooper makes the money. Where's that money come from? That's the crazy thing.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Anderson Cooper is a descendant from the Vanderbilt family, so maybe, maybe he's leaving some money on the table and not too worried about. I, I believe he, he'd stay there even if they paid him $0 because he's doing it all for ego, which is 20 million.

[Steve Baker]

But the NGOs have to prop those networks up. They have to, they have no choice. Because if they're going to get their message out at all, they have no choice but to prop them up.

[Tim Pool]

What's most annoying to me is that we've had a lot on staff now for a couple of weeks and AIPAC hasn't called like, yo, what's up, Elon?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Not yet.

[Tim Pool]

Not yet.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think I need to say the resident, the Jew more often here, or Jewish correspondent, Jewish affairs correspondent, rather.

[Tim Pool]

There was a funny meme is going to just piss some people off because everyone gets mad about Israel stuff. But someone had a funny post where they said something like, I don't understand why everybody thinks Israel's paying all these people when the only thing they've ever done is beg me for money. Like all these NGOs and non profits, they're always asking for donations and things like that. No, we, there's, you know, I will say this too. There is, like you mentioned, the NGOs have to keep this propped up. I, I don't think that's, I don't think that exists.

[Steve Baker]

You don't think so?

[Tim Pool]

No, it's pharmaceutical companies.

[Steve Baker]

Well, they are, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like everybody wants to, wants to believe that the only way their opposition is funded is by some nefarious, ne' er do well billionaire. And it's just, it's it's just not. Certainly there are NGOs that get money from like Soros that exists and they might buy commercials, but we don't actually see a lot of those commercial buys. It's pharmaceutical companies that are propping up these cable networks. And the reason why we get these messages is because they want favorable policies from Democrat politicians they're cutting these deals with. It's really simple. Pharmaceutical companies are gonna make contributions when and where they can. They're gonna prop up corporate news outlets. Those new news outlets are scared of losing access. And the pharmaceuticals are like, listen, these Democrats are going to give us good deals. If you start running commercials that are pro Republican that are challenging all this stuff, we're not going to buy ads with you anymore. And the news network's like, okay, then we'll stop doing it. The editorial comes in and says, guys, we don't want to, we don't want to look a Republican. You know, RFK Jr. For instance, why did the media attack him relentlessly? Pharmaceutical companies probably went to the big media and said, we will pull our ads if you keep disparaging us. And they said, okay. Went to their team and said, guys, we gotta lay off on the weird pharma stuff. Okay, let's just not risk our bottom line over whatever the story is. I, you know, I have another way to put it that I love to explain to people the reason why journalism is not news. Journalism will not tell you the truth. And anyone who thinks it will is misinformed. It's really simple. Let me ask you a question. If I want, I want you to invest in my company, all right? I need $100,000 so that I can make a website that will. We're going to make, I don't know, articles about Brad Pitt's junk and Katy Perry. And also we hate Trump. We're going to hire three people. We're going to pay them, I don't know, a couple bucks an article. And we're going to get 300,000 views per video, especially the Trump ones.

[Steve Baker]

Is this shark tank right now?

[Tim Pool]

It's a, it's a. So, so here's, here's what happens. The investor says, okay, my principal investment is 100 grand for one year. So if I want to. So let's just do a three year deal at 300,000 over three years. You're going to make, you're going to hire three guys. You're going to contract three guys to write rage bait articles. Those articles will generate a couple grand each because you're going to Say Trump is bad. Celebrity garbage. Celebrity garbage. And we're going to look with ads. Okay, sounds like I'll make money. Now, let's talk about real journalism. Why don't you go to an investor and say this? I need $500,000 for one year. Salary for the journalist is going to be. We're going to be modest. We're going to say $80,000 a year. But travel costs, legal costs, Legal costs is going to be 300,000 for the first year because we're going sued to oblivion. When we start digging into Pfizer's or pharmaceutical, the investor's gonna say, okay, okay, half a million dollars. What do I get at the end of the year? We don't know. We haven't investigated the company yet. He's gonna say, screw off. I invested money in that. So all of these big companies, that's how they're operating. Why would they make news? They're going to play softball so that you believe you're getting the news, but you are the product. They need more eyeballs. So they need sensational rage, bait, garbage at the lowest cost possible to appease their investors. To be fair, you do have another problem today with membership bases, where it's largely better so long as you're adhering to some kind of standard. But then you end up with, say, Washington Post or the New York Times, where they have audience capture, their audience hates Trump. They've invested heavily in making anti Trump content. If they change now, they will lose members and they will shrink. So what do they do? They maintain those lies. You are not getting fair and honest reporting from news organizations. It just doesn't exist.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think, especially in the news media space. Journalism sadly cannot be monetized to the amount that it takes to pay the journalists to make a living. And the downstream consequences of that is that journalism and news outfits usually cannot be profitable and therefore tend to be bought out by billionaires or owned by billionaires. So for the New York Times, it's owned by the, the Salzberger family. So the thing is, they're not really adhering or have to feel the pressure from their subscribers if it came down to that, because they're a very rich family. Same for the Washington Post, currently owned by Jeff Bezos. If push comes to shove, they actually don't need to be profitable. And it's just rich people and rich companies that own a lot of these different news outlets.

[Phil Labonte]

And the motivation then is going to be just for access or the ability to affect the narrative then, right? The overall zeitgeist of America.

[Tim Pool]

So let's talk about. Let me do this. Let me jump to this story first. Kick this off. We have this from the New York Times. You know you love them. NPR sues Trump over order to cut funding. The lawsuit filed in federal court in Washington by npr, another public radio organization, said President Trump's executive order violated the Constitution and the First Amendment. I absolutely love that. NPR's argument is we have a First Amendment right to taxpayer funds. It is a psychotic, crazy world where the ap, the associate press, sued, saying we should be allowed in the press pool in Trump's Oval Office. Right? This is Trump's. This is. This is an invitation. There's no guarantee in the Constitution that a private organization has access to Trump's office. And because Trump would invite the press in general, AP won a court case saying they should be allowed in. My argument is I should sue next. Why can't I be in the Oval Office whenever I want? What makes the AP special? If the courts are saying the AP needs to be allowed in, then I need to be allowed in, too. And we'll do the podcast right from the Oval Office next to Trump because they got to let me in. It's an absurdity. So now NPR is suing Trump. Here's the executive order. The executive order that Trump issued four weeks ago, or, I'm sorry, about three and a half weeks ago, ending taxpayer subsidization of biased media. It's not. It's not a First Amendment issue. He's saying the US Government cannot be spending money on promoting one ideology that violates the First Amendment. It is a violation of the First Amendment that NPR would receive funds. That's what's at play. So they want to say that the NPR has sued. The lawsuit filed in federal court in Washington by NPR and other public radio organizations, including Colorado Public Radio and Aspen public radio, said Mr. Trump's order violated the Constitution. Quote, the president has no authority to the Constitution to take such actions. On the contrary, the power of the purse is reserved for Congress. The White House had no immediate comment. This month, Mr. Trump signed an executive order ordering the corporate. For a Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which backs NPR and pbs, to freeze all funding to those organizations. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting spends more than half a billion dollars on public radio. However, I do believe that is an executive branch corporation for public broadcasting, and so the president does have authority to direct their actions. However, there is a legal challenge in Congress has passed the funds for specific things, which means there is. There's a check in a balance so this. This can't happen. What I want to. Jumping back into what we were talking about before getting into the story, what I wanted to mention is Phil brought up how the purpose of these news organizations is for clout and to control the narrative in the system. That's why I believe it was Haim Saban. I'm not sure he's. I don't know if he owns Univision. I think he might. Big Hillary Clinton guy. They, Univision and ABC launched Fusion. And I think they spent something like $300 million trying to create what they were calling, quote, nice vice, because they needed to get young people. And they weren't profitable. They didn't expect to be profitable. As far as I can tell in the conversations I had with these people, it was to create an influence operation. They wanted to be able to mass produce content that shaped the political landscape of young people. And they failed miserably. And it's. They had every opportunity to do it right, but, boy, would they not listen. Let me give you an example of. So they failed. They laid everybody off. They burned this money to the ground. The company's completely gone. When I was there, they had produced a bunch of content that was overly woke. Gender ideology stuff. I went to the president of the company and I said, this stuff's not getting any views. You're not getting any traction. You're not generating any attention. And so me and my brother told them, we can help them with a campaign. We can find content. You have that sleeper content that's been improperly marketed, and we can make it big. So we. There was one video called Open Mic Massacre, and it was a comedian. And every. It was a cartoon bit where every time he tried to tell a joke, they'd boo him and call him racist or a bigot. It was mocking the woke. It exploded. I don't remember how many views it got, but it got a ton of views. They doubled their subscribers and the company went nuts, outraged. They did not want that narrative to be successful. They were pissed off that it happened. So they said, stop. Stop doing this. And that was the end of it. And I was like, I don't understand. We found the content that young people like, we helped promote it. It took off like crazy. You're building subscribers. What do you want? And they said, not that. So what did they end up doing? Doubling down on woke garbage that failed. And then they went out of business.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, I don't. Again, these companies don't even care about being profitable because again, it is an influence op. And I Think we also need to take notice of one of the biggest influence op coming out come ops that is coming out of the Middle east, the news organization called Al Jazeera that I think is underappreciated for how much it is a propagandizing arm of Qatar. That again doesn't need to be profitable. And I think we'll need a wrangle with the consequences of news organizations not even trying to be profitable at this point. Tim, I wanted to follow up on something you said earlier about npr and I believe it's the AP trying to sue Trump and the Trump administration to get more access to the Oval Office. Here's the thing. We're very thankful here at Tim Cast for the Trump administration shaking up the way they do media access at the White House. If it was up to the White House Correspondents association who currently has a monopoly on coverage and access in the Oval Office or well used to, we wouldn't be in the Oval Office at all. Space in the Oval Office is zero sum. It's actually a very small room. And the fact when NPR isn't there or the AP isn't there, it's a different new media person. That is. So all of that is to say that NPR and AP trying to sue to get back in is trying to take the place of other new media outfits getting in there, like us, like the Daily Wire, like the Daily Caller, among other people. And I hope the NPR and AP fails in their lawsuits trying to get back in.

[Tim Pool]

I just want to show you guys I found it. We've pulled this up from time to time. It's a good example of the films of nine. Nine years ago. 589,000 views. The I I show you this because I believe this is evidence that when a media company with hundreds of millions of dollars was given an opportunity to produce successful content, they chose not to intentionally. They were told what would succeed. Here's you know, it's not even about politics. We did a video called Fallout from Fukushima. I went to the president of the company, I said Fallout 4 is coming out. It is the most anticipated game of the year. It's been a long time, huh? I said Fallout 3 was game of the year. Fallout 4 is coming out. We should go to Fukushima, Japan, do a mini documentary on the disaster and where it's currently at and call it Fallout from Fukushima. We're going to capture all that SEO. So everyone searching for fall is going to find our documentary and it creates a cool real world view for what these video games are. And video games are popular. And they said, do it. Boom. Half a million views right at launch. And they said, no, make more trans kids. I said, here's my idea for a series. Let's create many documentaries based on video games. So Call of Duty. Let's make a Call of Duty mini doc that explores modern warfare and combat. And we, We. We film it with shots. We put a GoPro on the weapon, and we film first person POV training and make it look like the video game. That way, when people are playing the video game and they're bored, and they said, no, we want feminism, mission driven storytelling. And none of it ever worked. That is, with hundreds of millions of dollars pouring in. The goal was never to build successful media. It was to build narrative and pay to inject it into the culture. Which is what I was warning last. Last November when I said, this is what Democrats are going to do. They lost the election. Now what they're going to do is they tried the corporate route. Build a company, dump the money, see if it works. Didn't work. Now they're going to find liberal podcasters and they're going to say, you got a big channel. Let's give you $10 million in advertisement. Your face will be everywhere. And what's fascinating to me is that the right with domination in the space, for now, the podcast presidency, they call it, have not been utilizing their resources to make to. To. To take cultural ubiquity. This is what I'll get. Did you guys see the Times Square thing? Of all the black men's faces?

[Steve Baker]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Tim Pool]

You didn't see that? Let me see. I can pull that up. Black men's faces, Times Square. What is this? Where do. How do I find this? Black men in Times Square. That's not it. Okay, it is. Yeah, I can pull this one up, I guess.

[Phil Labonte]

Mr. Price.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, that's annoying. I don't want to pull that one up. Is this it? I don't know. This might be it. Let's just pull this in and see what happens. There you go. So all of a sudden, every billboard in Times Square that you can buy turns into a picture of a black man's face, and it's some, like, art campaign or whatever. I was talking to my buddies about this 10 years ago. How do we buy every billboard in Times Square all at once? Because that's like a big flash. Everybody notices. And exactly what happened with this. The right won a podcast battle helping Donald Trump win, and they all remained independent, isolated, didn't do big ad runs. They're not doing what Coca Cola does. What I think we're going to see next, I think, you know, we, we bought billboards. Tim Cast IRL is on billboards all across the country and many people have seen them. If you're driving through especially the Rust Belt where we bought a bunch, very expensive to do, it's because I, I firmly believe in a year you are going to see insert liberal podcast all over Times Square on YouTube nonstop. You're going to pull up, you know, asmongold, you're going to want to watch a, you know, he's just a streamer, right? Politically unaffiliated, but leans kind of in the Trump direction. And whenever you click his video, it's going to autoplay a commercial from a liberal podcast or, or the liberal podcast itself. These big companies, they can afford to give Rachel Maddow $20 million. They're gonna go to Google and say we want to buy a big package. Let me, let me tell you guys about last year. We spent a lot of money on Google Ads. And Google to this day will not stop emailing me saying please talk to us and do a deal with us. We'll cut you a deal. We'll, we'll, we'll prioritize all this stuff because you spend a lot of money. It makes sense. But we don't spend as much as these people can. And so there we might do like tens of thousands per month depending on the show we're doing or the videos we want to promote, things like that. What you're going to end up seeing is here's my bet, Democrat PAC or something, or a media, a Democrat aligned media interest is going to say we represent a bunch of these big podcasts on the liberal side that are on YouTube, but they don't do so well. Now we've got a $50 million budget for the year, but we don't know if we want to spend that on, on YouTube ads. If you guys aren't promoting us and they're not being seen by people anyway, YouTube will then be like, let's do a deal. Then when you go to the front page of YouTube as a conservative, all of a sudden you're only getting liberals, right? And it's because YouTube says, look, they bought a $50 million package. So their ads are going to appear all over the place, banner ads, video display ads, and they're going to start popping up in the algorithm more often.

[Steve Baker]

So they're going to ignore your personally identified profile algorithm and then feed, force feed you.

[Tim Pool]

I would argue that There's a balance of yes, with a. But YouTube, of course, doesn't want to lose users. They don't want, they don't want to lose users. But the balance is. Or the question is, why doesn't YouTube want people to leave the website? They want to maximize how many ads they can deliver. If they abuse it too much, people will leave. However, they also need money. And if people are already leaving to say rumble and they're conservative, YouTube's gonna have this equation in front of them. Conservatives have left and gone to rumble largely, and maybe not entirely, but a large portion, or at least a significant double digit portion. We've already lost a lot of that money. How do we make back that money? Democrats then come and say, well, promote our personalities. But here's the thing too. Like that guy Derek Thompson was saying, it's going to be sleeper cells. They're going to be liberal aligned shows that are passively liberal. But in the health space, YouTube will start promoting these things. They've been doing it, they've done it before, they'll do it again. YouTube will begin putting pressure. So it's harder to find shows like this and other shows that lean away from the narrative machine. They'll try and do it in a way to maintain as many viewers as possible without bleeding too much. But the equation, as I mentioned, is if conservatives leave and are angry and liberals are threatening to leave, pander to the liberals, end of story. Especially if they're offering big cash. I think we're going to see that next year in the midterms. And that's what's going to cause a lot of damage to Republicans. But that being said, Democrats still have crackpot policies that regular people don't like.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, the scenario you lay out actually is very similar to the way that it was before. People kind of started to realize that the left controlled everything. I mean, the, the general consensus was that it was normal. And then you had conservatives, but then normal started saying crazy things like men and women, men can become women and such. But it was that, you know, the general consensus was, oh, this is, this is what normal people think. And this is, we don't have to be political. We just talk about whatever topic we're talking about or whatever we like. And then if politics comes up, it's obvious that we would vote for Barack Obama, or it's obvious the right choice is the Democrats. And that was the way that kind of society was, had been running for, you know, probably since Bill Clinton, you know, even, even when George Bush was A was the President. The general consensus was still from the media and from the left that it was clear that, you know, George Bush might have been kind of an anomaly. But most of your, your Paul, most of your political positions should be the positions that the left had.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I don't want to make this sound like it's uniquely a left issue. There was a story that relates to this that came across my radar last week from the Washington examiner talking about how Qatar has foreign influence operations here in the United States. I'm going to read you a couple paragraphs from here because I feel like it relates. It's in regard to Tucker Carlson interviewing the Prime Minister of Qatar. And the organization that paid for that to happen was giving tucker Carlson allegedly $180,000 per month. So let me just read this.

[Tim Pool]

What, what's the title? I'll just pull it up.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

The title, it's from the Washington Examiner. Conservative media targeted by Qatari foreign influence operations. You're gonna have to archive it because it has a paywall. So it says I'm reading from it. Perhaps Qatar's biggest victory in its post election right wing media campaign thus far was securing an interview between Tucker Carlson and and Prime Minister Mohammed Bin Al Thani. The interview racked up nearly 6 million views. Qatar paid top dollar to ensure the interview take place. FARA records show that Luminaid Advisors, a legal consulting company for which very little public information is available, facilitated the interview between Carlson and the Qatari dignitary. The luminated advisors paid $180,000 per month to provide media and communication coaching and consulting services.

[Tim Pool]

I don't have it pulled up, so just.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, it's that, it's this.

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't have it pulled up, so just keep going. What's your point?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Oh, and then. So we need to be worried about again, this is rich people trying to sway opinion one way or another. I'm not saying that.

[Tim Pool]

I do have it pulled up now. Yeah, Conservative media targeted by Qatari foreign influence operations. So what was the point you were bringing up? You said that.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I was saying so we were talking a lot about how the left is influenced by billionaires that are trying to fund their money. And I don't think it's unique to the left and I think on the right we also have different billionaires flooding money into the space, perhaps trying to get.

[Tim Pool]

So let me, let me coverage. Cutter paid top dollar to ensure this interview took place. Foreign Agent Registration act records show that Lumen8 Advisors LLC, a legal consulting company for which very little public Information is available helped facilitate between Carlson and the Qatari dignitary. The Embassy of the State of Qatar pays Lumen 8 Advisors $180,000 per month to provide media and communication, coaching and consulting services. Qatar wants to further cement ties with Trump and allies for many reasons including to defend itself against Republican attacks for its relationship with Hamas in Iran. Anna Jacobs, a non resident fellow at the Arab Gulf States Institute said of the Carlson interview. So they were saying that the biggest victory was Tucker Carlson and Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani in March. Now the way I mentioned it's got 6 million views across X and YouTube. That being said, I mean doesn't mean Carlson has anything to do with it. I think we have to be careful about if Qatar is hiring a media advisory agency and then saying we want to like on this Lumen8 emails Tucker and says would you like to interview the Prime Minister of Qatar? He's going to say yes. So I don't think there's anything untoward or any. Is there any implication that Carlson or anybody was actually taking money?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So it was people registered with Farah that helped facilitate the interview?

[Tim Pool]

Sounds normal.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, I need to look the advisors were paid $180,000 a month. I don't know if that I need to look up to, to see if that eventually made it to Tucker.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think Tucker got paid to do this interview. I think if someone emailed me and said would you. If someone emailed Tim Castelleron said, would you like to interview the Prime Minister of Qadarati?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yes, I think there's foreign agents being paid by the Qataris to help facilitate their relationship with right wing figures like Tucker Carlson. And I watched parts of the interview. It was an extremely friendly interview from what I'm used to seeing from Tucker Carlson. So I think there is reason for concern. And again there's also many people in the Trump administration who's had a lot of donations from Qatar that I think it's something to be aware of. Pam Bondi received millions of dollars in donations when she was AG in Florida from Qatar.

[Tim Pool]

She formally lobbied for Qatar.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

It says Qatar as well. I think also Kash Patel, despite I think doing a great job so far, also had a lot of Qatari involved with them.

[Tim Pool]

So and then Qatar country, it's got 300,000 people.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And then moreover, Qatar also has their Al Jazeera media outfit that they're only losing money on. So I think it isn't too crazy to assume that such a small country may have some ulterior motives with a lot of their media strategy here.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, I think that it's probably obvious that they're looking to do as much as they can to influence. But I think that, I mean a lot of countries do that, don't they? Try to.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's a question of whether it's illicit. And let's, let's try and bring this out. I think this is why I can't stand the issue of the, the Israel, Palestine stuff because nobody is. But you know, I'll just put this way, all is fair and love. All is fair in love and war. I get it. So what do we have here? I would break this down as Tucker Carlson was approached by a media consulting firm that works for Qatar and said, would you like to interview the Prime Minister? And he said, yeah, that sounds amazing. An interview with a world leader, that's huge. That's it. Carter hires a media agency. Like we have PR and publicists, we pay them. They're not foreign, they're Americans. And they reach out to news outlets and say on behalf of Tim Cast iro, like would you be interested in these stories or would you be interested in these interviews? I think that's all this is. The reason it's Farah is because it's Cutter. And I think the attempt here from the examiner is to malign Tucker Carlson as if he didn't make it appear as though he did something wrong.

[Phil Labonte]

Is there a narrative that you believe Cutter tends to push that you find objectionable or do you think that they're, they're, they have motives that are contrary to what the state's motivation.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So I think Al Jazeera media outfit is an anti western outlet that has a lot, a lot of nefarious intentions on the world stage. And I think they are the main funders behind that. And I'm super critical of them. I think they're huge hypocrites. So, you know, like on their Al Jazeera channel, they'll constantly rail about human rights, but they built their country with slave labor. And you said they only have 300 citizens. 300,000 citizens. Right. But there's something like 2 million non registered citizens in their country pretty much acting as slaves. There's no rights for women in their country, among other things.

[Tim Pool]

But I think Al Jazeera plus was, is or was the bigger issue. I don't know if they still exist.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That's their more progressive outfit. But again, Al Jazeera never, they never covered Qatar either in, in any sort of Professional way. They what?

[Tim Pool]

They shouldn't.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Why not?

[Tim Pool]

It's a conflict of interest.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think it's a conflict of interest to just completely stay out of it. I think they should try to be unbiased and cover themselves. The same thing with the Washington Post and Bezos. If you were truly unbiased, then you'd have some of the most cynical coverage of yourself. But, like, it's convenient for one of the biggest networks in the Middle east run by such a small country to be like, yeah, we'll cover all the misdealings of all the countries around us, except in our own country. And a lot of the Middle Eastern countries around them in the Middle east don't like them. As a result of this.

[Tim Pool]

I think the BBC are a bunch of liars.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

And so that's the issue. It could go either way. I don't fault a country for reporting on themselves or not, depending on the size of the country, I suppose. Like, we read the BBC and it's often bs like, Tommy Robinson got released today, which is awesome and amazing news. And if you're going to read about him in the BBC, they're lying about everything. It's in. It's. It's insane. And so Carter's not reporting on themselves. I shrug. If they were, will we believe it? Do we want. We. I wouldn't want to read that. I'm going to read something else. You know, I do think it's interesting that a tiny nation has such outsized influence. Trump going there and the Qatari jet was. Was a terrible idea. Should not be accepting that jet for security reasons alone.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Then you had Theo Vaughn going and visiting with Trump and then coming back and saying that there's a genocide going on in Palestine, in Gaza. And I'm just like. When I. When I pointed out that people. So people started commenting, Theo Vaughn just got back from Qatar and I was like, I thought they were kidding. I thought they were making us, like they were insulting him. Right. Saying that his take his position on this is like akin to him going to Qatar. And then I realized he actually did go there. Like, it was actually a big trip that he did. And so I tweeted, wow, I didn't realize this. And the response I got from people was that I was implying Qatar paid him for that opinion. So I never said that these people are psychotic. I said, no, he went to Qatar, talked to some people, they told him this, and he said, wow, I didn't know that. And then came back and became a part of his show. The question I have is why does this small country have such outsized influence? And I'm not saying they're paying for it. I'm saying people want to go there, and then they go there and then they adopt those views and those opinions and they believe it. It's wild. And that's. And it's. I'm not even making a comment on Israel.

[Steve Baker]

They have such outsized influence because they.

[Tim Pool]

Are paying for it. I mean, to a certain degree. Yeah. I mean, but I mean, like, I don't think they went to Theo Vaughn and said, here's a million dollars. Go claim there's a genocide happening.

[Steve Baker]

Maybe not. Maybe not in that case, but they're gonna have influence with celebrities that they're gonna bring over for their weddings, and they're gonna, you know, pay. They're gonna pay $250 million for a wedding for a prince or a, you.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Know, and they'll donate a ton of money to your. The school that you want your child to go to. And they're. They're donating to all these politicians and, and they're donating to all of these interest groups, and then they have their media outfits that are all incestuous with one another. You know, they'd be. The Israelis would be jealous of the influence operation that the Qataris have. It's amazing.

[Tim Pool]

I view it largely similar, to be honest.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think the numbers from Qatar greatly, vastly outnumber the amount that Israel's contributing. And I think there's also something to say about. I think there is actually a lot of genuine grassroots support for. For Israel in the west, in America in particular. I also think Israel's coded to be right wing and coded to be right, at least by the left. So I think there's reason to support Israel in the country as opposed to Qatar, which is completely misaligned with our values. Totally. And supports terrorists, actually, and people who are antithetical to our values and actually don't align with us on any values. But we do have an air base there, so I think that's what. That's what it kind of comes down to. To project power.

[Steve Baker]

The big deal.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And I mean, even his donations to Pam Bondi in the past is. They're willing to line anybody's pockets.

[Tim Pool]

They're saying that Trump is a Qatari asset, not a Russian asset.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think when. After your trip to Israel, you're gonna have to stop in Qatar as well.

[Tim Pool]

When I go to Israel?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You're gonna go to Israel.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Oh, we'll need to plan the Trip out with your new APAC handler. You know, I hate some phone calls.

[Tim Pool]

I've been to Tel Aviv before. It's beautiful. And, you know, I don't know. I think people are nuts. I think it is, it is infinitely strange to me how this is the scent, you know. You know what I call this? I call it Israel first. I think the people who love and hate Israel are both Israel first. And it's the weirdest thing to me because I'm like Israel 10th. Maybe. There's a bunch of other countries I think are more important, like Mexico and the cartels are in a higher ranking as to what I care about in this world. Ukraine ranks higher as far as I'm concerned. It's, it matters, you know, what's going on there is important. The only reason it's on the list at all is because the US is providing funding to Israel and there's, you know, conflict going on around it that I don't think the US should be in. US should be involved. US should be involved in. But it's amazing that there are people in this country who they've literally super chatted this show in last year's election cycle saying they would vote for Joe Biden if Joe Biden said he was critical of Israel. And I'm like, that's America last. You care so much about Israel, you would burn this country to the ground with Joe Biden. That's crazy. To me, that means your first priority is Israel. Whether you love Israel or hate Israel. These people who only ever, ever complain about Israel, they don't care about Burma, they don't care about Tibet, they don't care about Ukraine, they don't care about South Sudan or Eritrea or Afghanistan. The first country in their minds in every instance is Israel. And again, that's, that's the people who hate it and the people who love it. So I'm just like, guys, you guys just go get a hotel room or something. I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy to me.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, the, the fact that there are people that are so focused, they call themselves America first and they're so focused on Israel. When the amount of money that we give to Israel is, is not, is a, is marginal when it comes to the real big problems, like, not when the national debt, like mandatory spending, Medicare, Medicai, things that are having a serious impact on, you know, whether or not people will buy our Treasury. Treasury bills now. I mean, last week the bond market opened up and there was such soft demand that the, they had to, you know, the yield I think went up. I don't know exactly how much it was, but the yield went up for treasury bonds because people didn't want them. The reason people didn't want them is because the bill passed, the big beautiful bill passed. And there's so much more spending. Worrying about, you know, how much money we give to Israel is, is entirely pointless. If you have a moral qualm with it, fine, that makes sense. You know, I have a problem with the fact that the US is involved in a war that's going on over there. Fine, makes perfect sense. But the idea that we have to, we give so much money to Israel, like it's, it's, it's pennies compared to the real serious pressing economic issues.

[Tim Pool]

As you pointed out, the America first people only talk about Israel.

[Steve Baker]

They are, they are the functional democracy there. They do allow Arabs, Muslims in the Knesset. They do allow gays and transgenders.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow. So now we're anti, Anticipate.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, maybe to their detriment.

[Steve Baker]

I mean, these are allowed in their culture and they're not allowed in the border cultures.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why my point is, if someone came to me and said, I don't like the US spending money in these foreign wars, Ukraine, Taiwan, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, I'd say, oh, I understand.

[Steve Baker]

I'm totally with you on that.

[Tim Pool]

But when they come to me and they say the US should be spending money on Israel, I say, what about other countries? No, Israel. And I'm like, dude, the only thing you care about is that you are Israel first. First and foremost. All the Groipers, Nick Fuentes and everyone, they're Israel first. The only thing they ever talk about, they won't shut up about it. They love Israel. I get it. They hate it. They hate Israel, they hate apac, they hate all these people. But it's the only thing talk about. They act like no other problems exist. And I'm like, the point is, when you wake up in the morning, the first thing in your mind is Israel. For me, it's America. How do we secure our borders? What's going on with fentanyl in Canada? What's going on with illegal immigration from Guatemala into our country? So when I have a list of countries I care more about, I'm like, first of all, American labor. Are we, are we helping Gen Z get in the labor force, buy houses and have families? That's the first thing I'm thinking about when I wake up. How do we build culture among Americans? How do we get People to be moralistic in our country. Then I'm worried about Mexico. They got cartels. They're shoveling drugs up to our country. Our border's insecure. Then I'm concerned about Guatemala. Then I'm concerned about El Salvador. Then I'm concerned about Honduras, then Brazil. And at some point down the list, I'm like, there's Israel. But these people wake up every day bashing their faces against the wall, screaming the word Israel. And I'm like, you are Israel first. And I hope you hear me clearly.

[Phil Labonte]

They're definitely focused on Israel far more than they are in the U.S. yep.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why when they said they would vote for Joe Biden over Donald Trump, I said, that is a person who would burn this country to the ground because they care more about Israel. They hate Israel. But Israel matters so much more to them. They would see America burn if it meant bad things happened to Israel.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Cutting your lips despite your face. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know why you care so much. And they live in these crazy worlds where Israel is the most important country on the planet. They. And I'm telling you, it is fascinating how they think Israel controls the weather. Like, the amount of. It's not even a joke.

[Phil Labonte]

I know. It's obvious that Ian controls the weather.

[Tim Pool]

The amount of crazy conspiracies. They think it's. They believe that Israel controls everything. Is this secret cabal of Jews that are running the whole world. And I'm like, that is Israel's first. You can get. They hate America. And they. And they only care about Israel. It's the only thing they focus on. Let's jump to this next story from Newsweek. Donald Trump makes Canada a new offer to become the 51st state. And the best part is he claims they're considering it. He posted on Truth. I told Canada, which very much wants to be a part of our fabulous golden dome system that will cost $61 billion if they remain a separate but unequal nation, but will cost $0 if they become our cherished 51st state. They are considering the offer. They aren't. But it's funny.

[Phil Labonte]

I. I think. I don't want. I don't want Canada to be 51st state because I see the way the Canadians vote.

[Tim Pool]

So could you imagine, like Senator Trudeau.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, God, it sounds like a terrible idea.

[Tim Pool]

Senate Majority Leader.

[Steve Baker]

We could take Alberta, though, Maybe.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And Saskatchewan right here. Right. What's that? Saskatchewan, too.

[Steve Baker]

Maybe one. But Alberta for the oil and in the mountains.

[Tim Pool]

But yeah, we could take their oil. You're Saying, oh, yeah.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So, because I'm an expansionist, I'm actually, I'm down with taking Canada. So I think the real test case for taking Canada would be if a war broke out, we'd have to occupy Canada to maintain its safety and to make sure it doesn't become a satellite of Canada or a satellite of China is how I think it would go.

[Tim Pool]

There he is.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

But during Chinese military operations up there.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

During a time of war, we'd have to go occupy and decommunize Canada. So I think that's when it would really go down. I think President Trump is just trying to warm the Canadians up to the idea a little bit at this point.

[Tim Pool]

You're. You.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, I think that Trump just likes to say things to get.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Canada is in our future, whether or not it's unfinished business philosophy.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it's not. But, like, at the. At the end of the day, like, Canada is going to be. They will be protected if they. If we do design and build a golden dome, like the United States is going to protect Canada as well. That's going to. That's just the way that it's going.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

To be during a time of war. We will need to occupy them for their own safety.

[Phil Labonte]

No, that's. That's ridiculous.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Secure their liberty.

[Phil Labonte]

That's. That's ridiculous.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Protect them from communism. From the Chinese.

[Phil Labonte]

You're. No, stop.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

We're going to be liberators, Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

No, you're. This is.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

This is me and you.

[Phil Labonte]

This. No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

Liberators of Canada.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah, we're going to liberate Canada from the Chinese. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Up there. And freeze to death by himself.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

We're the anti communists.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not going.

[Tim Pool]

Well, hold on. The. The, you know, freeze. But that's. If he goes in winter. If he goes in summer, they have an extra long growing season.

[Phil Labonte]

Then you'll just die of mosquito bites and ticks.

[Tim Pool]

Mm. Black flies.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, they're terrible.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

As I understand, their waterways will become very important within the next few decade. Decades, thanks to climate change. Do you guys remember climate change as a political issue? I feel like I haven't heard that word in a long time. It's not real like that completely. That was like the number one.

[Tim Pool]

And let me clarify, I'm saying as a political issue. Yeah, I know. They're going to be like, oh, we got him. That's what happened with Trump. He said something like that, like the political. Climate change is no longer relevant. And the media all ran. Trump says climate change isn't real and I was like, no, he was saying that the political attacks they were using were based on lies.

[Phil Labonte]

If climate change was actually the, the, the crisis that they say, they would have been issuing nuclear permits two decades ago, but it wasn't, it never was. They were just trying to use the, the climate and the environment as a means to further control the, the, you know, basically the land and stuff, how you use your faucet and what, you know, what showerhead you can have.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So my next question to President Trump, if I'm so privileged to get another to him, maybe ask about Greenland and Canada again. I think what the updates are, I.

[Tim Pool]

Think Trump clearly just cares about global trade routes in the ocean. So the whole Canada Greenland thing is about the Northwest Passage and Panama, obviously the canal and Israel is largely Suez. And it was funny because all of these anti Israel people got super mad when I pointed that out to Adam Conover and they lost their minds because they live in Wally world. I'm like, Trump's issue, if you look at the big picture, is global trade. That's why they're bombing the Houthis. That's why they have interests in Sinai, in the Suez, and that's why he cares about the Northwest Passage, Greenland, Canada, and that's why Panama, his like principal issue is I will control global trade. That's largely been the American position for domination. We police the ocean.

[Steve Baker]

So you don't think Trump's serious about Greenland?

[Tim Pool]

I do, yeah.

[Steve Baker]

I mean, no. In terms of acquisition, absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Steve Baker]

Yeah. But not about Canada.

[Tim Pool]

That's a true. I think Canada might be a half joke, half joking. Trump wants some kind of deal where we can have a military presence or naval presence. I don't think he literally believes the entirety of Canada will be one state. That makes no sense. But I think it's, it's, it's some kind of essence of a big ask. So where he goes to Canada and says, hey, you want Golden Dome protection? They say, yes, but what's it going to cost? He says, 60 billion. They go, we can't afford that. He goes, then how about this? You lease us parts of, you know, Canadian territory in the Northwest Passage and we will then provide blanket coverage with Golden Dome. That's where I think we might end up.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think it's textbook art of the deal. And he's just getting ready. This is just his starting point in the negotiations, I think, particularly for Greenland. And I think Tim spot on about getting different parts of random northern parts of Canada for future military bases and whatnot. Same with Greenland. If we can negotiate something with like that or at least getting people interested in the idea. Maybe a couple of decades down the line, something goes wrong in Canada and Americans change their feelings towards them. Maybe we could be like, oh, remember when Trump thought this was a good idea and we're warming people up to it. I'm warming you up to it, Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know. I don't know if you're warming up to it or not. I don't think so. I, I do think that the argument being that the, the government makes about Greenland being important to national security is legitimate, but I don't think that we're actually going to get Greenland. I think that it'll be likely be some kind of military base that we lease an area to put it. To install a military base. I'm pretty sure that there's already a US Military base there. At least one. The President and JD Vance were both talking about economic incentives to Greenland to get them to allow more. And I think that's what it's going to end up winding up being.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I believe During World War II, we did occupy Greenland again to secure their.

[Phil Labonte]

Liberty because someone else was occupying.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, exactly. So again, I think this will have a similar cast as Belly. Well, there'll be a similar political crisis that the United States will be able to utilize. We should have stayed in Greenland.

[Phil Labonte]

You really. Post World War II and so you think that it'll be a similar. Like that. Do you think, like, well, there's going.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

To be a big world.

[Phil Labonte]

Denmark, that, that actually owns Greenland. Right?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Sure. Yeah. But if the, you know, if something.

[Phil Labonte]

Pops off in Europe, Germany.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If something pops off in Europe, hey, maybe we'll see how things go in Ukraine and Russia. Who knows down the line, I'm just keeping my options open in my expansionist dream here. We probably shouldn't have left post World War II and we probably shouldn't have ever given back the Panama Canal. Worst trade deal in history.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, the Panama Canal stuff, I, I agree. That shouldn't have.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That was just very dumb. Frankly, Jimmy, I think. I believe it was Jimmy Carter just trying to flex. I don't know. I'm not old enough to remember. I think it was like, oh, we're decolonizing or what have you.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think that it was decolonize.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I mean that was the idea where it's decolonization.

[Phil Labonte]

No, I don't think that. I don't think that it was actually decolonization. I think that it was, that it was economic. I don't think that it was like, oh, we're actually. I don't. When I.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Their argument was that, you know, we're colonizing them. And I think Jimmy Carter's angle was.

[Phil Labonte]

I'd have to look to be sure to see how. What the argument was. But decolonization has a specific leftist con. Context, and I don't think that that was the. The idea behind it, but I'd go look.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So, yeah, dumb trade deals. Liberate Greenland for no reason and then give back Panama Canal for no reason. Let Canada exist again. We're footing their defense. We're their biggest trade partner. And what do we get out of it? Nothing. We get a raw end of the raw end of the stick. And I'm glad President Trump actually recognized.

[Phil Labonte]

Syrup out of it.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Carter, you're loving this.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I don't. I don't. I don't know that I share your, Your, Your estimation of, of having. Whether we should or should not have given back Greenland or whatever or the canal, North Canal. I think that. I don't.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I'm not.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that the canal actually was a bad idea. I think the US should have kept at least a presence on the, on the, the canal, but I'm not so sure about Greenland.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Why not take Greenland? Like, I, I don't mean I give it up.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

We should have kept it while we had it. It's easier to.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, during World War II.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah. And so it was. That was a trail, too.

[Tim Pool]

We still have a treaty, I think, with Denmark allowing us to operate there.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, that's. I mean, my, My. Like I said earlier, I think that it'll end up being the US Having some kind of military presence, maybe another military base or a couple military bases or something, but I don't know. I don't think that there's. There's a whole lot of benefit to taking Greenland because most of it, I mean, there. There are geothermal, you know, things down there.

[Tim Pool]

You know, there's abandoned underground nuclear bases.

[Phil Labonte]

Is there.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Are there the Nazis bases there? US Secret Nazis.

[Tim Pool]

US Tried building weapons depots and launch sites and struggled. So they built these big underground bunkers and then left. So they're there and they're extremely valuable. Yep.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

There was so much going on post World War II that I think if we turned it into a territory, Canada, it would have. Greenland, it would have just been a bookmark in history, and we would have just accepted that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think Trump is smart and realizes that Canada was always a part of America and it's only by happenstance that we've not had our proper military control over it. And so in the name of justice, we must take Canada.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Monarchy is wrong.

[Tim Pool]

So that's so many death threats. When I say that I don't want.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Canada because I don't want Canadians acting up.

[Tim Pool]

Canadian. I don't know though, they got Moose. Moose are cool, according to it. Is it. Is it Meese or Mooses?

[Steve Baker]

Great. The great documentary Canadian Bacon starring, you know, John Candy. That's the, that's the film about the war between the United States. And you guys don't even know what that is, right?

[Phil Labonte]

You know, I know I've never reference, but I know the movie.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but no idea.

[Phil Labonte]

It's Moose. I think that. I think.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's jump. We got one more story for you guys. It's actually a bunch. We'll grab this one from the Independent. Jordan Peterson refuses to identify as a Christian in viral atheist debate. This story is nuts. I think it was what Sunday they put out this Jubilee, put out one Christian versus 20 atheists featuring Jordan Peterson. Then after a major backlash from Christians who were like, Jordan Peterson is not a Christian and even says in the show that he's not, they changed it to Jordan Peterson versus Atheists. To be fair, I think Jubilee should retitle it to Jordan Peterson vs 20 anti Christians because I don't even think it's fair to call them atheists. Here's the clip in question, however, that is going massively viral. Why is that relevant? Because you go to a Catholic church, don't you? Or you've attended recently. You're interested in Catholicism, aren't you?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Are you familiar with their doctrines?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Somewhat.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, you're. You're familiar. How do they regard. How do they regard Mary?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Why are you asking me?

[Tim Pool]

Because you're a Christian.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

You say that.

[Tim Pool]

I haven't claimed that. Oh, what is this? Is this Christians versus Atheists? I don't know. You don't know where you are right now? Don't be a smart ass. Well, and I mean, either you're a Christian or you're not. If you're a smart ass, either you're a Christian or you're not. Which one is it? I could be either of them, but I don't have to tell you. You don't have to tell me. I was under the impression I was invited to talk to a Christian. Am I not talking to a Christian?

[Phil Labonte]

No, you were invited to.

[Tim Pool]

I think everyone should look at the title of the YouTube channel. You're probably in the wrong YouTube video. You're really quite something, you aren't. I. But you're really quite nothing. Right. You're not a Christian. I'm done with him. Jordan Peterson is getting roasted by the left and the right because in this whole debate or whatever to call it, he kept doing, I don't know, semantic games. He said, what is, what do you mean by believe? And then the young man says something you think to be true? And he goes like, no, now you're just claiming true is a substitution for believe. And he, like, wouldn't answer it. He's debating a guy and he's asked whether or not he's a Christian. He says, I could be either, but I'm not going to tell you or I don't have to tell you. And it's like, then, then what are you doing in this debate? I think the issue is that Jubilee, this company wanted a Christian versus atheist video and they wanted a big name. So they said, hey, Jordan Peterson, do you want to debate a bunch of atheists? Said, sure. They then wrote down Christian versus Atheist. Jordan Peterson comes in as some kind of deist, not Christian. And then no one understands what they're debating at all.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, it clearly Jordan Peterson wasn't there to defend Christianity from a position of, I believe Christ is my savior. Right. Like, if you're gonna go in there and you're gonna be defending Christianity, you shouldn't just defend the moral principles laid out in Christianity. You should be there saying, no, God, I believe in God. I believe that Jesus Christ is, is his Son, and I believe that, that I'm saved through his grace. You shouldn't be like, oh, you know, I like Christianity and I like the way that Christianity sets up society or the way that societies that are Christian end up being run. I think that you should actually believe in Christianity. And I think that's a big problem here, is he doesn't.

[Tim Pool]

Let me play this other clip. This is, this is, this is why Jordan Peterson is getting ragged on. So do you believe in the all knowing, all powerful, all good notion of God? What do you mean by believe? Do you think it to be true?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That's the circular definition.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean? How is it circular? Believe. How is that circular? Because you added no content to the.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Answer by substituting the word true and believe.

[Tim Pool]

I said you think it to be true. All right, so if you believe something, you stake your life on it. What do you mean by that? You live for it and you die for it.

[Phil Labonte]

What?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That's what I mean, by that, it.

[Tim Pool]

Isn'T something that you say. It isn't something that's associated with logical consistency. It's not declarative. It's not propositional. It's not a figment of your imagination. It's the presupposition of your attention and your action. And you're either fragmented, in which case you worship multiple gods, or there's some unity at the bottom of it that makes you an unstoppable force. What? Okay, so you're saying that you don't believe something if you wouldn't die for it? Not really, no. Okay, so then how would you define belief?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Something you say.

[Tim Pool]

Explain. I could believe it is the case that this pen exists, but if someone, like, threatened my life.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

I would lie in order to be able to save my life. Right. Like, I think you would do that, too. You wouldn't lie to save your life. Don't be so sure. You. You wouldn't lie to save your life. How much do you know about me?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I didn't lie to save my career. I didn't lie to save my clinical practice.

[Tim Pool]

Would you lie to, like, save your children? Your mom, your dad? I don't think lying would save them. Can there ever be a circumstance, logically that lying could save someone? Yeah.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And if you're steeped in sin, you're likely to live in circumstances like that.

[Tim Pool]

I'll give you an example. If you're, like, in, like, Nazi Germany and it is the case that there's, like, Jewish people in your attic and you're trying to protect them, would you lie to, like, the Nazis?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I would have done everything I bloody.

[Tim Pool]

Well could so I wouldn't be in that situation. It's a hypothetical, and it's not answering hypotheticals. No, I can't answer a hypothetical like that because. Did you eat that? Look, don't play games.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If you present.

[Tim Pool]

I don't understand what Jordan Peterson is at this point, to be honest.

[Steve Baker]

He's hard for me because I think that Jordan Peterson contributed a lot to my own life. Back. We're going back, you know, before his fame, even the. The videos that I used to watch. And I. I have actually said over and over again to many people in certain circumstances when you're being very, you know, transparent about your life and your own spiritual journey, that he helped me a lot and rediscovering kind of who I am as a man and as a father. And this. I couldn't. Out of the half dozen or so of these that I watch, I couldn't Finish any of them.

[Tim Pool]

A few of his points, he, he was right on. I think the issue largely is Jubilee asked Jordan Peterson debate atheists and he's some kind of deist, not a Christian, and then told all these atheists, you're going to debate a Christian. Which actually proves Jordan Pearson was right the whole time. That being said, Jordan Peterson's performance was pretty miserable. When he's like, what do you mean by believe? Like, bro, you understand what he's saying. If you want to clarify for the audience and say I believe, what you're saying by believe is. But the kid said something you think to be true. Okay, that's, he's, he's qualified his statement. The issue is that Jordan Peterson's first claim was atheists reject God without understanding what they're rejecting. And the fact that the Jubilee producers asked a bunch of anti Christians to debate a deist proves the producers themselves don't know what atheism or Christianity or deism or God is. Their minds. They thought one thing, if you're an atheist, you don't believe in Jesus. Jordan Peterson as a deist is saying God has many shapes and forms. You don't know what you're saying no to. At one point in the debate where I do think he did well, he said that one of the definitions of God, I think Jonah in the Bible is conscience, the, the voice of morality within you. Not this all knowing divine creator necessarily. They're just saying, okay, well I don't believe in Scripture. And so Jordan Peterson is debating anti Christians from the, from the context of they don't believe God exists and they're debating a deist based on their criticism of Christianity specifically. All of the people who came in were debating Christianity, not Islam, not Hinduism, not Confucianism or anything else. It was literally anti Christians versus Jordan Peterson. Horrifyingly embarrassing though, for all of them.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I will say Jubilee may have played some funny games with how they brought all of this together, but I think for me and any others who looked up to Jordan Peterson in the past and found a lot of meaning in a lot of his self help early on are deeply saddened to see him like this. The contrast between this interview and his body language here compared to the famous Kathy Newman interview years ago. I remember him, he was sitting back, hanging out, ready to, you know, deflect or have some witty comeback to whatever. Kathy was coming back against him there. Here he's tense, sitting forward, stressed out.

[Tim Pool]

It's, don't play games. I'm not, I'm asking You what you.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Think true means like extremely serious as opposed to. I'm thinking back to that Kathy Newman inter where he handled it so well.

[Tim Pool]

And it the, the conspiracy theory now is we have this major resurgence in among the youth towards Christianity. So I actually I just, the episode I did with Bill Maher and Club Random came out and one of the things we talked about a couple times was, you know, I asked him like you're an atheist. It's obviously, why do you think atheism is losing? And he agreed. He's like, it's a good point. Young people are becoming more religious. The conspiracy theory is that Jordan Peterson was brought in as a heel, not Jordan Peterson intentionally, but other people brought him in as he is not a good represent representation of Christianity. So that young men will watch this and think Christians are stupid, can't answer basic questions. And they this is the clever tactics that we'll see from liberals. They're going to try and get people like Jordan Peterson. They're going to create circumstances where they can laugh in your face. This is my problem with Real Time with Bill Maher. This is my problem with Jubilee. Ben Shapiro came on the show and some trans person just berated him with a gish gallop for a minute and then got up and left and they all started hooting and clapping and cheering. The intention is to manipulate young people into thinking that's power. So here you have Jordan Peterson hemming and hawing, failing to answer basic questions and playing semantic games. So young people are going to see this and be like, wow, Christians are dumb. As a producer right now, could I chime in and just give my take on that? Because it seemed like they were doing the whole Tim and Eric thing where.

[Phil Labonte]

They would go to the like a.

[Tim Pool]

Funny looking guy to just mog Jordan Peterson there. But also if you've read Jordan Peterson's book, one of the things he says is don't lie or at least try to tell the truth. Or I think it's the other way around, tell the truth or at least don't lie. So but it's say that then he would be breaking his own rule. Yeah, but, but everyone's response to this particular video is is that he failed the IQ test. If you did not eat breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt? Well, how can I know that I ate breakfasts? It's a hypothetical, I can't answer. And that everyone's like, bro, the hypothetical is, is a guy breaks in your your house and says where is your daughter? Do you tell him or not?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I don't know. It's a hypothetical, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not sure you can answer.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Playing games, Tim, or.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I think the other issue is that he just answered it poorly. And I can. I can make the argument that, you know, in a situation like this, he doesn't come off as strong by saying, I can't answer that. It's a hypothetical. Or he can say, give me a. Give me a modern context example. Don't use the history generic one. And then make him frame it in something like a guy breaks into your house, which is a more generic issue. That. The problem I largely see, though, is the answer is easy. You would lie to save your family members. No question. Everyone would do it.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

He didn't want to be pinned down by this guy.

[Tim Pool]

Any of them. Any of them. And so he would never give any straightforward answers because he was concerned that they were going to trick him or something. So instead of having an honest conversation, he just gives non answers the whole time.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah. And this. He's unrecognizable from his previous self. Now I feel like I'm watching a totally different guy. I don't know what happened, but it doesn't feel like the same guy who I remember coming up years ago.

[Phil Labonte]

I honestly, I think that it does depend on the context, and I think that he's putting himself in places where he shouldn't be. My girlfriend and I just watched his. The parenting thing that they're doing on Daily Wire. They have the. For members. You have a. He's doing a series on parenting. And all of it was completely reasonable. All the same kind of stuff that you'd expect from Jordan Peterson. He didn't. He seemed like he was intelligent. Granted, it was, you know, it was a Daily Wire production, so they're not gonna make him look like a fool or anything. But the content was good, too.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Phil Labonte]

The actual things that he was saying about, you know, how you deal with this situation with a child and that situation with a child, like, it was. It was completely reasonable. So I do think that the context that he's in. This is not a place where Jordan Peterson would shine, this type of thing. I think that it was the wrong guy to make these arguments.

[Steve Baker]

So when he was doing his big tour out with, you know, Dave Rubin, opening for him and that sort of thing, I went and saw him in Charlotte in a big theater there, Charlotte, North Carolina. And I. I didn't know what to expect at that time, going back that far with him, but he was about 98% apolitical. He was 97% irreligious. You know, there was no spin on anything whatsoever. And he took about 15 minutes of awkwardness before he found his sea legs up there. And then he was just brilliant. And. And the one thing that we saw was all the young men with the books to get it signed. You know, it was. It was just packed out of young men wanting to hear from this guy. That's why this. This.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Well, I don't think. I don't blame Jubilee for Peterson's performance. No, I do blame them. They're jump cuts in there. Notably in the first one about Christianity. The guy says, I was invited here to talk to a Christian. He says, no, you were invited here too. And then it jump cuts. So we don't know what Jordan Peterson said. It sounds to me like Jordan Peterson was arguing as a deist or some form of deist. And Jubilee went and said, do you want to debate Christians? So I actually agree with Jordan Peterson when he says atheists reject God without understanding it. And it's because I would say 95% of conversations I have with atheists end up just arguing Christianity. To which I go, well, I'm not a Christian, so I don't know why what you're arguing. And they'll be like, well, like Jesus this. And I'll be like, okay, well, I'm not talking about Christianity, so what are you arguing? Almost every instance where I have a conversation about my belief in the existence of God, it results in them just arguing Scripture. And then I'm like, agreed. Now come back to the issue of God, and they can't tell the difference. So Jordan Peterson, I think, gets that right. But when you're in a room full of people who are anti Christians using the word atheist to describe that, it's a really easy attack vector. One of the things he gets asked about is whether he believes he rejects the God. Lono. Was it Lono? I think the Polynesian God.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's a stupid argument. But Jordan Pearson also didn't answer that one very well. And he says, I don't know. I don't know anything about it. And then they're saying you're rejecting. You know, this guy got booted off real quick because it was a stupid argument. But that's the issue, I think, largely with these people. They always base their disbelief in God on. They think God means. And I'm not saying literally every atheist. I'm saying there's a tendency among people who identify as atheists, they believe God means man in white Robes with a beard flying in the sky. And then when you try and explain something like, you know, with all due respect to Bill Maher, when I asked him if he understood Einsteinian God or Logos, he just chuckled and said, I love how people come up with cute ideas to try and give themselves this thing. And I was like, I'm not saying I believe in scripture. I don't, I don't know that Bill Maher understands the concept of logos, universal code, or any idea. He largely just views narrative tales as religion. So when he says he's an atheist, he's basically saying, I don't believe the Torah, I don't believe the Bible, I don't believe the Hadith or whatever or the Quran. He's, he's saying, I don't believe your version of history. And I'm like, okay, well, I don't care about that. I care about the fundamental nature of reality. Most atheists don't question it because I, I, I, I, I think the issue is if you were to legitimately question the nature of reality, you'd probably conclude that you're at least agnostic, not atheist. Not outright stating there is no God, but how about that? Let's go to your chats. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. We've got of course, the uncensored members only show coming [e-mail] Timcast IRL 10pm you don't want to miss it. Use promo code TIM10 at rumble. If you want to hang out and watch, we do a few minutes, you know, free for you guys to watch and then it goes to members only. Before we jump into your chats though, we got a great sponsor, my friends. It is Lear Capital, my friends. I gotta tell you, gold and silver I, I think is fantastic. I actually have owned gold and silver quite a bit. And you know, they don't tell me to say this, but I will add, I have copper as well. I have a big box of copper. You ever see those, you know, people ripping copper out of the walls? It's valuable. Metals are valuable. They're, they're, they're stable. I'm a fan. Gold and silver are critical, which is why I've always been a long time holder. And I was talking to the Lindy man earlier on the morning show and he was saying he thought people should buy gold and silver because population collapse is going to result in some kind of economic crises. And then maybe AI picks up the slack. But I'm like, what do we do? He's like, I Don't know gold, silver and bitcoin. So my friends, Trump is trying to make America great again. It's not going to happen overnight. I've always believed in physical gold and silver ownership as a great diversifier. But now it's 100% mandatory because you got to offset the whiplash market markets are experiencing right now. It has been pretty wild. So have you guys been watching gold prices? They're not just rising, they're soaring. In 12 months, gold has surged to more than 3, 300 announced Goldman Sachs and other experts have predicted. The ones who predicted 3, 200 announced are saying it could reach 4, 500 or more. While the government can print, borrow and run recurring budget deficits, you can't. Your retirement, your savings, your pension, 401k and fixed income accounts do not get a bailout. That's why more Americans are acquiring gold and silver to protect their money on their own. Also, I don't know if you guys heard this. Florida passed a bill, I saw this on, on X earlier, making gold and silver legal tender. I don't know if you guys heard of that one. That's crazy.

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[A Lot Eliyahu]

The Democrats should have to pay you for that advice. I don't know what you said about probably in the first segment. I also gave some advice, but if.

[Tim Pool]

If, like there's no amount of money they could pay me to give them the strategy they need to be fair. However, maybe not like if they came to me and said, tim, we will pay you $5 million to tell us what to do to win back young men. I'd say yes. You know why? I'd say drop the weird trans stuff. Secure the border, stop selling out our jobs to China. Look at what Trump is saying. Those are the policies that resonate with young men. Thank you, I'll take my money now.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I think it's that they can't affect the advice that you'd give them. So you wouldn't just say drop the trans stuff. You'd say, stop making it a purity test. Welcome people who might be anti trans into the party, but they won't be able to do that because of their purity test. So no matter what advice, they're in a catch 22. They can't take our advice. It's a death spot.

[Tim Pool]

That's the point. That's why it's like if they offered me the money to give them advice, I'd say, sure, because they can't take it. They want these policies. The issue is those policies are toxic. People don't like them in general. So when they're like, how do we win young men over? Stop pushing policies that freak people out. But those are the policies we want. They're basically saying, how do we convince young men to be okay with cutting off children's genitals. And it's like, you're not going to be able to. It's just not going to happen.

[Phil Labonte]

How do you convince young men to. To allow us to scapegoat them is really what they need, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yep. They're not happy with that. So if the Democrats today just came out, I'm talking like Pelosi, Schumer, AOC and they said, woke is broke. It's disgusting. We no longer want to be involved in it. It was a mistake to turn in the first place. I clap. I'd say, great. Then if, like, some dude emerged an unknown who was a Democrat and he was like, woke is dumb. It's bad. The Democrats should protect working class individuals. We should rework these free trade deals so that we can bring manufacturing back to the United States and stop getting ripped off by China. I'd be like, sounds like Trump, but it's crazy. Their policies are just nonsense.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

If the Democrats followed our advice, they wouldn't be Democrats anymore.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. They'd all just be white.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That's what it comes down to. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. The emperor's champion says the same thing. Democrats are trying. Reminds me of when spongebob tried to get into the tough guy bar, but fails and has to go to the Weenie Hut.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Weenie Hut Juniors.

[Tim Pool]

Is that what it was?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Throwback Weenie Hut juniors. Oh, man. J.B. rocky says. Or J. J.B. rocky says Homer is an astronaut like Katy Perry. Yep. The point is, it's actually pretty funny in the Simpsons and in Family Guy they get all like, home like this. You know, the Simpsons is. It's a show about a middle. A middle aged guy who gets random odd jobs. That. That's what it is. I mean, these days I have no idea what the show's about. They're on season 35 and it's like Abe Simpson's gay now or something.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I didn't know they still had the show going.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'm not kidding. Like, there was an episode where Abe was like, making out with a guy.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I don't even know what character Abe is.

[Tim Pool]

Grandpa Simpson.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I made him gay.

[Tim Pool]

They made an episode, I think, where Bart gets mad that they gender swapped Itchy and Scratchy and made him girls.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Okay, well, if you run that long, you just need to start including gay people in your.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they're just like. Let's just base episodes off of stuff that's happening, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, homer was originally 37, I think when the show first started. Yeah, but there's an episode where Homer lists all of his jobs, and then you're like, it really is just a show about a guy who gets odd jobs, you know, but the astronaut was one of them. And I love. I love the. One of the best. Okay, so remember when Douglas Murray went on Rogan with Dave Smith, and he was like, dave, when was the last time you've been to the Crossings? And Dave's like, I've never gone. He goes, really? You've never been? That was the perfect meme moment. Because in the Simpsons, there's the meme where Grimes, grimy as Homer like to call them, goes to his house, and he's like, you. You've been to outer space. And Homer goes, yes. You've never been. Yeah, that reminds me of the Douglas Murray thing. All right, what do we got? Let's see. Cost Jer says, tim, have you tried talking with tech deck, the fingerboard you play with for your board design? Excuse me. So, first of all, we don't use tech decks. These are fingerboards. And someone actually made this for us. This is the Rooster Tim pool board from boonies HQ on a fingerboard. And it's one of the best fingerboards I've ever used, and I really am quite good. I suppose that's what you're doing. You're fidgeting as a kid. You know, you got a little skateboard in your desk, and you're doing flips with it stuff. But, yeah, somebody made a bunch of the boonies boards as fingerboards for us. I should figure out who did it. I'm sure the boonies crew was like, tim, come on. How do you not know the guy's name?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

There's not only a full skate park here, but there's also a full mini skate park here for the finger.

[Tim Pool]

We actually.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

As well.

[Tim Pool]

No, but we actually have someone building a miniature version of the full park.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Of the full park.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think it'll be.

[Steve Baker]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

And we're gonna put it upstairs, and it's gonna. You're gonna have a fingerboard version of the full skatepark.

[Phil Labonte]

Very nice.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Of course, I don't know if the mini ramps gonna be included. All right, what do we have here? Mr. Laxative? Is that what that says? Have you heard that Alberta is attempting to separate from Canada and Trump is offered to allow them to be covered by the golden dome for free if they become the 51st state? Yeah. Alberto is. Alberta is a separatist movement, I believe. I don't know how prominent it is.

[Steve Baker]

Quebec did years ago. They almost. They almost got out. I mean, it was. It was a fraction of a percentage point that. That they managed to get enough vote to stay within the Canadian union, if they call it that, but they were. They were almost out.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

That's another Trojan horse for American annexation of Canada. If Quebec splits apart, then maybe some other providences might get some ideas. That's our opportunity to strike.

[Steve Baker]

There you go.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Metaphorically, I don't know.

[Phil Labonte]

Strike.

[Steve Baker]

See what we have here, guys. Canadian bacon. You don't get the reference? I can't.

[Tim Pool]

John Nakos says site. Tim Long, long time listener, first time contributor. I need help. My civil rights were violated at 500 Gold Street. The courthouse in, say, Alb, New Mexico, Albuquerque. The guard grabbed me, and when I defended myself, I went to jail.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know what to do, man. You need a lawyer.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And I mean it. Without. Without knowing more, it's tough to say that, you know, what. What exactly do you mean by defended yourself? The security guard, you know, violated your rights. I mean, it's. It's not saying you're lying, but, you know, it's. It's tough to make a call off of a Super chat.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

RAFLO 1804 says, Confirmed, Jordan Peterson wouldn't save the Jews in Nazi Germany. He's a Nazi, and Kayla was raised by a Nazi. To be fair, though, Jordan Peterson's response was essentially that he could have just said to him, no, I wouldn't lie. And they would have been like, if you have Jews hiding in your attic, you wouldn't lie to say them. No, I wouldn't.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, I think he said, I wouldn't allow myself to get into that position. Because if you got into that position, then you've already sinned so many times. And he was.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Mental gymnastics.

[Tim Pool]

But, yeah, I think he could have phrased it like, well, I understand the hypothetical you're giving me, but I would never allow Jews to hide in my attic.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Tim, would you allow Jews to hide in your attic?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Nice.

[Phil Labonte]

Just not you.

[Steve Baker]

Would you lie?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, there's only one that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Oh, would you. That was. That's.

[Steve Baker]

I'm not a Christian, but, I mean, I am, and I would. Yeah, absolutely, I would.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I don't understand why Jordan Peterson wouldn't. Just answer the question. It's not like the fact that we make sacrifices or sin means that Christianity is wrong is made. He. He, like, he didn't want to let them have any. Any logical standing point. He was being precise. In a speech? Sure. Are you a Christian? Maybe. Well, are you or not? I don't have bloody well have to tell you. It's like, well, I'm trying to have a conversation with you, bro. If you're not, just say so and we'll have a different discussion. That's what's annoying.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

I wanted to say I appreciate you guys at a rising time, during a rising time of anti. Semitism. It's heartwarming to know that you guys would hide me in your attic if need be.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I said I would.

[Tim Pool]

You know, there's a.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Well, you need to get him off your trail, Phil. Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

There's a funny story I read. I don't. I don't know where the story comes from. Maybe it's like a famous thing or something. But someone was like a teacher said to his students, how many of you would have been an abolitionist in the. In the Civil War? And they all raised their hands, and he was like, so, okay, you all raised your hands. Name something today that you've done that would get you fired from your job that is considered widely offensive and goes against the social order. And none of them had anything to say. And he was like, this is the thing. Everybody today says I'd be against slavery, but back then, most people did not care at all. And slavery was a normal thing everywhere. And it was just. I think the issue is that people, when they think of slavery, they think of, like, Kunta Kinte or whatever, they think of people being whipped in a field, and they don't understand that a lot of slavery was, like, a guy, a cobbler. There's, like, a black man who works at a shoe store, and he has no rights. He can't vote, he can't leave. He can't do anything. If he tries to go and live his own life, they'll chase him down. Slavery wasn't all just working on farms. There were lots of urban. You know, there were slaves that worked in houses. Slavery was just individuals had no freedom, no rights. And it was. It was from bad to worse. But because everybody assumes it was all the epitome of the most vile evil, they'd say, of course I'm against it. And then what would happen is they'd walk into a shoe store and see a guy making shoes, and they wouldn't think twice. They wouldn't be like, I'll help you escape. They'd be like, thanks for the shoes, mister.

[Steve Baker]

Slavery was such a part of the human condition for thousands of years.

[Tim Pool]

It still is.

[Steve Baker]

It still is. Of Course, of course there's more now today than even back in the, in the founding of this country. But when our black slaves became free in this country, they became some of the highest percentage of slave owners themselves. Follow up because once they were freed and they acquired land and then they acquired property, part of that property were other human beings. I know because you can actually go, you can look this up and you can see state by state, because I was horrified that the state that I was born and bred in, Louisiana, actually had the highest percentage of black slave owning blacks or the highest percentage of black who owned slaves post their emancipations.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

And I believe that was also the case with Liberia. I believe it was where former slaves went. We sent them back to Africa and they ended up enslaving and copying the plantations that they were familiar with over here.

[Tim Pool]

And they have a similar constitution, I believe in the United States. But they've.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

We just didn't do it as good as we did.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you can't, you can't take a bunch of slaves, people who are, who couldn't read or write or understand the constitution that they were given, dump them in a far away land and say best of luck and then expect a country to emerge. Silly. Let's read this. We got Lurch685 says it's about extricating Israeli influence on our politics. You can't be this dumb. Oh, we found an Israel first guy. Hey, I did the math for you. Top 10 countries in terms of foreign, in terms of spending, overt spending, known spending to influence our political system from 2016 through 2024. Let's play a game. What country is the number one spender in the United States?

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Do you guys want to guess first?

[Steve Baker]

Which country is which? Number one.

[Tim Pool]

What is the top spender? And this is overt legal money for influencing US political systems. The number one country, country that spends the most money, China.

[Steve Baker]

I'd go China in a heartbeat.

[Phil Labonte]

I'd say China's ding, ding, ding.

[Tim Pool]

You are all correct. China spends 400. Spent $456.9 million through 2016 to 2024. Let's try again. Number two, the second country that spent the second most money over this time period.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

So I'm going to go non traditional guess. I want to say it's maybe an East Asian company, maybe Japan.

[Tim Pool]

You're looking at the monitor.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

No, I swear. No, no, no, no. Is it up? No, no, no, no. I've just, I'm familiar with these numbers because I've heard the argument a lot of times.

[Tim Pool]

Japan spent $410 million over this time period. Let's go to number three. The country that sped the third most amount of money influencing US politics now again overtly through lobbying campaigns, ad spending, PACs, etc.

[Steve Baker]

UAE.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Now I think this one's Qatar.

[Tim Pool]

I say United Arab Emirates, Saudis, Liberia at $353.1 million. Number four.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Qatar.

[Tim Pool]

Now Qatar, South Korea. South Korea, 322 million. Number five, Saudi Arabia, 309. Marshall Islands 285.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Israel's got to pump up those numbers.

[Tim Pool]

Qatar Marshall number seven at 256.3 million. Emirates at 242. The Bahamas at 241. Bermuda at 192.7. And where does Israel rank? Honestly, I don't know. It's so far down the list. They spent over this time period through their subsidiaries, direct government spending, APAC. Etc. $37 million.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Wait, that includes APAC?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Okay, interesting, because traditionally I understand APAC to not be. They're not. They don't have to register as far as it's American citizens supporting them.

[Tim Pool]

So APAC included.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. When you add all the numbers up, you get a total of 30, so. Oh, no, I'm sorry, it's about 40 some odd million. So let's see, let me do the math quick. So you've got, you've got AIPAC at 40 and then you've got Israel at 5.7. So let's just, let's just roll it up and say 50. 50 million.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

But those are Americans supporting Israelis as opposed to the Israelis trying to donate money. Right. So it's.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, whatever. Call whatever you want. The point is I just. This is from Open Secrets Foreign Lobby Watch. If you think Open Secrets is secretly run by the Jews and they're lying to obfuscate how much money the Jews are spending, fine, you can believe whatever you want. But according to Open Watch, Foreign lobby spending, Israel's not even the top 10. That's why I say when, like you have to live in this world where there's a bunch of like. They think Jews are running around controlling everything. Because when you actually look at the data and go over all of it, you're like, yeah, they don't.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

It's not a salacious.

[Tim Pool]

They're not spending the money. Well, they're spending it somehow. They're not telling you. It's like, dude, okay, well, live in whatever world you want. Some people think the earth is flat. If I don't have data to back something up, I don't. I'M not going to just assert it. Open. Open. Watch. Foreign lobby spending. I'm sorry, open Secrets. Maybe they're wrong. It's possible. Okay, for now, when I do research, regardless of what the lunatics believe and regardless of what people tell me, whether they're experts or otherwise, what I find is Israel's not even the top 10. Qatar's number seven. Qatar spends what, eight times as much as Israel does, according to Open Secrets.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

It would be interesting to get those numbers per capita as well, because China's number one. But China is a country of over a billion people. So far is a country of people worth mentioning. Korea also, I don't know. 30 plus million I might have been. But these are bigger countries, especially compared to Qatar.

[Tim Pool]

Michael Lawrence says Peter Griffin had odd jobs. Homer Simpson was a nuclear plant operator. Oh, boy, you are so wrong. List all jobs Homer Simpson had.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

He got fired from the nuclear plant. I thought that was a big part of the show.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, probably 15 times multiple. Okay, let's see. He's had. Let's see. Safety inspector, the nuclear power plant, astronaut, mayor, boxer, food critic, grease sales, bodyguard for Mayor Quimby, country western manager for Lauren Lumpkin, garbage commissioner, mountain climber, farmer, inventor, Crusty the clown impersonator, voice of pooch and HH Reggie, celebrity assistant to Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger. Basinger, Fortune cookie writer, beer baron, cookie mart clerk, missionary, monorail conductor, snowplow operator, hairdresser, bounty hunter, opera singer, mall santa, union leader, telemarketer, chauffeur. Like, dude, the list is insane. I can't read all this. Yo. This is crazy. There's so many episodes. He was the mayor, the judge, and he was an executioner, a croupier, a voice actor, a singer, a musician, a record producer, a talent scout. He's. He's been a TV show host, a guest, a consistent, a judge, a producer, a director, a writer, an editor, a cameraman, a sound engineer. Come on. Literally. The Simpsons is a show about a guy who has jobs. He's been a masked vigilante. He's been the white knight, the black knight, a cyborg, an Android, a clown, a time traveler. Okay, you get it.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

But his most important job? Being a father.

[Tim Pool]

Wow, this is crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Had no idea that he had so many jobs. Yeah, put him in so many. Is this.

[Tim Pool]

He's been a ufologist. He's been a cosmologist, an exobiologist, an astrophysicist, a rocket scientist. Some of these are redundant. If this, like time travel is not a job.

[Phil Labonte]

If this was A. If this was like talking about Family Guy and these are all the cut scenes where that were just like, you know, 30 seconds to a minute or, you know, of the, of the show, I, I mean, that would make more sense. But I had no idea that that Homer Simpson had that many jobs. I didn't.

[Tim Pool]

But that, that's basically the joke there. There's an episode from the early seasons where Homer goes, marge, you know, I've had a lot of jobs in my life. Snowplow operator, Crusty the Clown impersonator, astronaut. And he just starts listing all the jobs he's had. Yeah, Peter Griffin's had a lot of jobs too. And it's nowhere near as many as Homer Simpsons. I can actually go through all the jobs. Peter Griffin said. Safety inspector, fisherman, shipping clerk, towel boy, serial mascot, bartender, Calvin Klein model, Grim Reaper replacement. That's not a job. Pianist, producer, school board director, sex ed teacher, temporary principal, waiter, ghostbuster, sheriff, hitman, president, recycling mascot, sumo wrestler, night volunteer, singer, CPR instructor, cashier, fast food worker, CEO, dictator and United nations interpreter, opera singer, bomb diffuser. And, and those, those are the, are the cutaway gags. So in actual episodes it's like 25. Yeah, you ain't hanging with Homer Simpson, dude. He's got all the jobs. All right, what do we got here? Blake Snyder says people that complain wanting others money have no drive. I got T boned, lost my job and became homeless. Went out and got a job within 20 days that pays far better and as a far. And is a far better job. You know what, I don't really don't like about communists right now. Here's how our tax system works. If you work 40 hours and they say you, it's, it's, it's a, it's an eight hour day and it's a five day work week, okay? If I choose to work more than that, I get taxed more. They punish me for working harder. That's our current tax system. A lot of people came at me and they were like, yes, but what about no tax on overtime does not apply to salaries. So if you say to somebody, we'll pay you 100 grand a year salary job to do this work. And then you go, I want to work 16 hour days every day with no day off. They say, okay, you get no more money for that, right? And then so let's say two people apply for a job and they're like, we can pay you a salaried position. Let's say you're a business owner, right? And you're like, if I work weekends, I will make an additional $10,000 a month. But because that puts me in a higher tax bracket, I lose money by doing it. It is a diminishing return on working hard. So how about this? Here's my proposal. Taxes only on the first 40 hours worked. And if you're salaried, you list your hours every week. And then we divide how much you get paid in salary by those hours and you're only taxed on the first 40 hours. That way you can choose to work more and when you do, you don't lose money by doing so. Taxes not so. Trump passed. They passed the big beautiful bill. No tax on overtime. I'm saying straight up, no taxes on anything past 40 hours. I'd accomplished that in three days. A lot on taxes.

[Phil Labonte]

Anything that minimizes taxes, I'm going to be okay.

[Tim Pool]

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[Steve Baker]

Nothing to shout right now except, you know, hop on over to the Blaze and check out our stories that we're doing on a particular congressman from Florida. And then about a rogue FBI agent that we caught in the act of not actually working for the FBI while she pretended that she was.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Interesting.

[A Lot Eliyahu]

They have some very interesting reporting on Representative Corey Mills over at the Blaze. That would be worthwhile to read. Thank you guys for tuning in tonight. My name is A Lot Eliyahu. I'm the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. You can follow me at A Lot Eliyahu across all platforms. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

I am philtheremains on Twix. I'm Filler remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains are new records and titles called Antifragile. You can check it out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora and Diesel. And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all over at rumble.com timcast irl in a 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.