Democrats LOSE VA Redistricting w/ Sam Numberg

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary – May 9, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL, hosted by Tim Pool, dives deep into the political fallout and broader implications of the Virginia Supreme Court decision striking down a Democrat-led redistricting attempt as unconstitutional — a major blow to Democrats in the ongoing redistricting wars. The episode features political consultant and former Trump adviser Sam Nunberg as a guest, with regulars Shane Cashman, Ian Crossland, and Tate Brown engaging in fast-paced, uncensored discussion. Topics range from the mechanics and ethics of redistricting, political market predictions, and Democratic Party strategy, to cultural commentary, wild theories about AI and UFOs, the Epstein files, and how technological change could reshape the world.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Virginia Redistricting Decision: A "Nuclear Bomb" for Democrats

(Start 07:45 – 13:20)

• The Virginia Supreme Court ruled 4-3 against a Democrat-backed redistricting amendment, finding it unconstitutional due to procedural reasons.
• Tim Pool: “This is a redistricting war. Both sides are trying to win. Democrats want power. Republicans want power…Republicans are winning this war handily, currently up eight seats in the procedural battle.” (03:35)
• Sam Nunberg explains the procedural missteps that doomed the Virginia amendment, emphasizing the disenfranchisement of voters who had already cast ballots under previous rules. (11:05)
• Broader context: Republicans are gaining seats across several states, with possible +12 seat swing, and Democrats’ claims of rights violations are framed as partisan “score settling.”

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2. Redistricting Wars and Gerrymandering Ethics

(10:41 – 16:00)

• Tate Brown highlights the hypocrisy of partisan complaints about gerrymandering, comparing Tennessee (losing its last Dem district) with Massachusetts (all Dems despite similar population). (11:40)
• The panel debates whether Republican victories are “dirty” or simply a leveling of the playing field.
• Sam Nunberg: “Play by Marquis of Queensberry rules anymore. That’s just the reality…if Democrats take power, you’re gonna have Puerto Rico [as a state]…This is really their last gasp.” (13:24)

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3. Political Market (Prediction Markets) and Polling Disconnect

(17:10 – 35:21, 35:21 – 38:53)

• Tim deep-dives into prediction market betting, showing Democrat odds remain high for holding the House/Senate despite new realities.
• “Democrats…can’t win the Senate. I’m going to say it again, they can’t win…So why the [hell] are people putting money on Democrat House and Democrat Senate when decision desk says Democrats are the underdog in the Senate? It makes no sense.” — Tim Pool (19:27)
• The crew analyzes wishful betting, market manipulation, cyclical election dynamics, vibe checks, and why polling might be more trustworthy after recent cycles.
• Ongoing movement in redistricting court battles could swing as many as 14 seats to Republicans.

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4. Tennessee, Minority Districts, and Narrative Spin

(21:22 – 27:01)

• Controversy over Tennesee splitting Memphis into three Republican-leaning districts (“destroying black voter power,” as opponents claim) is scrutinized.
• Tim Pool: “It’s this white Jewish man [Rep. Steve Cohen] who was the representative from this black district, he represents black power. And the Republican candidate, the black woman, does not.” (22:00)
• Reaction to performative outrage and media distortion around the changes.

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5. Steve Cohen Commentary and Political Caricatures

(25:32 – 28:44)

• Panelists poke fun at Rep. Steve Cohen’s antics and personal history, including eating fried chicken during a hearing (“Obvious pandering,” per Tate Brown) and his controversial record.
• The conversation humorously explores Congressional stock trading, oddities from Cohen’s biography, and the broader problem of politicians enriching themselves via illicit or unethical means.

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6. Prediction Markets, Manipulation, and Psychological Ops

(30:15 – 38:53)

• Discussion on how political insiders could manipulate prediction market odds for fundraising, public perception, and to “show life” for floundering campaigns.
• “You get one guy to put $500,000 into the betting market, and then the other guy goes and raises 2 million.” — Sam Nunberg (33:06)

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7. UFO Files, Government Disclosure, and Distrust of Institutions

(39:30 – 45:08, 58:53 – 71:02)

• The team reviews and mocks the recent government “UFO disclosure,” arguing it offers more confusion than answers.
• Shane Cashman: “Most of the reporting I’ve seen on this in the mainstream space, they can hardly get through the reporting without smiling. It's just a joke. It’s like a demoralization campaign...it’s released on a Friday, right? You know how Fridays are with news.” (41:23)
• Possible tie-ins with conspiracy narratives about Epstein, ruling-class abuses, and whether “demonic” or “aliens” language is just a rebranding effort by the elite to distract from harder-to-ignore human scandals.

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8. AI, Neuralink, and Transhumanist Concerns

(51:11 – 66:21)

• Philosophical debates about what constitutes a cyborg — Is it as simple as being augmented by any technology (pacemaker, Neuralink, etc.)?
• Tim Pool: “If you have a mechanical device implanted in your body, you are a cyborg, period.” (52:10)
• Concerns that upcoming tech (Neuralink, AI-driven decision making, etc.) could lead to uncontestable social credit systems, population control, and “pre-crime” policing.
• Cautious optimism about the helpful side of technology, countered by widespread skepticism and warnings about surveillance and systemic manipulation.

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9. Epstein Files: Conspiracy, Blackmail, and Child Trafficking

(70:17 – 114:32, recurring throughout)

• All roads lead back to elites’ criminality: the Epstein network, government complicity or utility, and child trafficking as potential use for “experimentation” or black operations.
• Wild speculation about single actors (Epstein as “fixer, not boss”), government secrecy, and cultural myth-making around the entire saga.
• Sam Nunberg: “I just think that he [Epstein] was a guy who stole money from people. I don’t know that he was, like, a human trafficker into weird [stuff].” (104:53)

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10. Theological and Eschatological Debates (AI, Antichrist, End Times)

(69:56 – 93:31, 93:31 – 98:12)

• Interplay between Christian theology, Antichrist prophecies, and how technology and government disclosure might be used to “erode Christianity.”
• Discussion on whether AI could be the biblical “beast,” and if UFO/alien narratives serve to demoralize or challenge Christian doctrine.
• Shane Cashman: “Disclosure is aimed at eroding Christianity. All of this is Christians under attack, because Christians are the…last ditch effort of, like, actual dissenting opinion. And they learned that during COVID when a lot of Christians said no.” (91:14)

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11. Social Fragmentation, Analog Revival, and the Future of Human Connection

(57:13 – 58:36, 93:59 – 97:40)

• Noting the rise of “dumb phones,” Luddite culture, and a possible backlash against total tech saturation.
• Reflections on the meaning of Christ, antichrist, and whether “evil” is always a singular person, a system, or a series of behaviors.

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12. Concluding Takeaways and Open-Ended Questions

(128:23 – end)

• The show wraps with philosophical questions about time, the multiverse, and metaphysics, in true Timcast fashion.
• Quick detours into timeline theory, magic, alternate realities, and how (or if) our present actually aligns with predictions or revelations.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Tim Pool: “Both sides are trying to win...Republicans are winning this war handily.” (03:35)
• Tate Brown: “If you’re really gonna pearl clutch over Tennessee, have a word with Massachusetts first.” (11:40)
• Sam Nunberg: “We are a republic, not a democracy.” (13:35)
• Shane Cashman on UFO Files: “It’s just a joke. It’s like a demoralization campaign… it’s released on a Friday, right?” (41:23)
• Tim Pool: “If you have a mechanical device implanted in your body, you are a cyborg, period.” (52:10)
• Ian Crossland on tech: “The nice thing about trading is you can do it from home. You can do it without going anywhere. But it’s boring as hell.” (38:39)
• Shane Cashman: “Disclosure is aimed at eroding Christianity. All of this is Christians under attack…” (91:14)
• Sam Nunberg, on Epstein: “I just think…he was a guy who stole money from people...I just think that he was a con artist.” (104:53)
• On AI as the Beast:
  • Tim Pool: “The AI might be the beast.” (70:12)
  • Shane Cashman: “I think it could be.”
• Tucker Carlson, Trump, and Eschatology:
  • “He [Tucker] really lost me. And I’m very disappointed in him.…I think he’s just gone bad.” — Sam Nunberg (77:41)

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Important Timestamps for Segments

• Redistricting breakdown and ruling – [07:45 – 13:20]
• Gerrymandering ethics and Tennessee/Massachusetts comparison – [11:40 – 16:00]
• Prediction Market Analysis – [17:10 – 38:53]
• Tennessee Minority district changes – [21:22 – 27:01]
• Political caricatures and Steve Cohen – [25:32 – 28:44]
• AI & Transhumanism – [51:11 – 66:21]
• Epstein Files & Conspiracy – [70:17 – 114:32, recurring]
• UFO files & theological implications – [39:30 – 45:08, 58:53 – 71:02, 86:57 – 98:12]
• Tech skepticism, dumb phones, Luddites – [57:13 – 58:36]
• Eschatology and Antichrist debate – [69:56 – 93:31]
• Cultural critique, end-of-show philosophy – [128:23 – end]

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Overall Tone & Style

The conversation is rollicking, irreverent, conspiratorial, and rooted in right-libertarian skepticism. The panel pokes fun at both sides, questions official narratives, and moves rapidly between hard news, predictions, and speculative philosophy. There’s a clear emphasis on independent analysis, skepticism toward establishment "facts," and an underlying current of cultural and spiritual anxiety about where America (and humanity) is headed.

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Transcript

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to win it, win with Shopify. Start your free trial [e-mail] win. The Virginia Supreme Court has struck down their attempt to redistrict as unconstitutional and liberals and Democrats are apoplectic. Jeffries is losing his mind. Hasan Piker says that the Republicans have just stripped black power from Memphis after Tennessee eliminated the single Democrat district in in Memphis. And the funny thing is it's represented by a white guy. And the Republican candidate who keeps losing is trying to win is a black woman. But I guess to the left, black power is when a white Jewish guy is in control of your district and the black woman loses. So I don't think they really know what they're talking about. But let's just be real. This is a redistricting war. Both sides are trying to win. Both sides want power. Democrats are power. Republicans want power. Republicans are winning this war handily, currently up eight seats in the procedural battle, not even related to polling, despite the fact that Republicans are still polling better than Democrats, which seems kind of weird, especially for a midterm. The opposition party should be doing way better, and they're not. Now what I think is really weird about this is the prediction markets have not priced this in and still are predicting a plurality of the prediction markets. They're saying, I should say of the prediction Democrats sweep, which makes no sense at all. So we'll talk about that. Plus, they. They dropped proof that aliens. I'm just kidding. They didn't. They dropped a bunch of UFO files showing metamaterials, strange images of things in space. We don't actually know what any of it is. And this is exactly as people were predicting just the other day. The coming disclosure would be interesting, but not definitive. But perhaps the Apollo astronauts were attacked by aliens on the moon. They've released photographs showing strange things in the sky, which is evidence of very little. I don't know. We'll figure it all out. We'll get into that. Before we do, my friends, we got a great shout out for you from our own Tim cast members. We got inky blooms. Go to patreon.com search for inky blooms Small American owned creative studio. Everything created by hand through watercolor and ink illustrations. The core of the company is built around two months. Monthly mail clubs. Monthly mail clubs include a postcard print of original artwork and extra items like stamps, bookmarks and other items that can fit in an envelope. One of these clubs, Little sprouts, is geared toward children three and up. Each month your kid receives a postcard and a story about the animal on the postcard. Teaching kids invaluable lessons without the woke garbage. You'll also get an activity to do with your kids like I spy and color. That's amazing. I got to get some of this. Recognizing talent within our community that brings family together is important. Inky Bloom's a great way to slow down, put away the screens and appreciate the art with your loved ones. My wife is going to absolutely love this. She keeps telling me to put my phone away, but I have to. I have to explain to her this is my job. I complain on the Internet for a living when I'm insulting people on Twitter. It's what pays the bills. It brings bacon. Also, don't Forget, go to cast brew.com get your Mother's Day bundle. It's a little late now, but you can still get it. Or you can get all of the other amazing stuff. We have, of course, Appalachian nights. We've got our ground coffee, a variety of flavors, and you got focus with Mr. Bocus. Two weeks till Christmas. Check it [e-mail]. support the work that we do. Join the discord community. Smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Sam Nunberg.

[Sam Nunberg]

It's great to be on.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Who are you? What do you do?

[Sam Nunberg]

I'm a lawyer and a political consultant. Worked for then Donald J. Trump from 2010 to 2015 and excited to be here. It's gonna be an interesting experience. I'm the oldest person in the room for once.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, considering we've got this hard proof that aliens are real, we had to bring in our ringer. Shane's hanging up.

[Shane Cashman]

It's good to be here.

[Tim Pool]

They didn't actually prove anything.

[Shane Cashman]

You know, I cover this stuff extensively and I believe this is what the experts call faking gay.

[Tim Pool]

That is indeed.

[Shane Cashman]

But I have a lot to say about it.

[Tim Pool]

All right. All right. The rest of the crew is hanging out.

[Ian Crossland]

Hi, everybody.

[Tate Brown]

What's going on?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm actually the oldest person in the room for the know.

[Tim Pool]

How old are you?

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, oh, that's right.

[Ian Crossland]

How old are you?

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, 45 in June.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no. He got you 47, baby.

[Ian Crossland]

Holding it down.

[Tate Brown]

Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

That's just. He took that from you.

[Sam Nunberg]

I know, I know.

[Ian Crossland]

I was getting hot under the collar when you said it. I didn't know what to do.

[Sam Nunberg]

Let me just keep it in my head.

[Tate Brown]

Carter's here, too. I'm very excited.

[Shane Cashman]

What's up? I'm the youngest one in the room, I think.

[Ian Crossland]

How old are you?

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm not.

[Sam Nunberg]

You are.

[Tim Pool]

Tate.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. How. What am I talking about? 25.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not 24, so.

[Tate Brown]

Unbelievable.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's get into it. We got this from cnbc. Virginia Supreme Court strikes down. Redistricting push in blow to Democrats. This is a nuclear bomb. And my friends, we have a present for you. It is. It is this. It's going to be hard to hear, so everyone's got to do. Well, I have to ask the crew to be quiet for a second because we got to boost the volume on this. But let's. Let's get it. Shame, Shame on every single Supreme Court

[Tate Brown]

justice who voted to take away our rights as a people to express.

[Tim Pool]

Shame for taking away our ability to tell our things that we want with

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

Should start a cat lady channel.

[Tim Pool]

Man, I. I want to. I just want to stress that the Virginia Supreme Court upheld the rights of the people of the state four to three. They ruled that the attempt to vote away. 45% trying to vote away the rights of the other. I'm sorry, 55% trying to vote away the rights of the other 45 is not upholding anybody's rights. And the Supreme Court of Virginia said, hey, there's a constitutional procedure for amending the Constitution. This is not it. So, no, struck it down. And I'm just going to. Let's, let's, let's. Let's throw out the partisanship for a second and just say Democrats are losing on this one in their own state. Republicans lost in Indiana. So there's. There's, you know, points over here and points over there. All in all, with the latest map, I think I actually have a map here for you guys. This is massive. Currently, let's. Let's zoom in on this map our friend Claude made for us. And we're looking at. Republicans have a net gain of eight seats with nine still in flux. Here's where it gets crazy. Maryland Has a potential, but probably too late to enact because the state senate will not bring it to a vote. New York might try to do a last minute deal. Indiana probably couldn't get it done. So these, these, these, these are pending and unlikely. However, these southern states, I don't know why it's got Georgia listed. It should be, it should not be Georgia, but Mississippi did, did shift. We'll get, we'll get a correction on this. But Tennessee, North Carolina already have seen these gains. So if this resolves, we're looking at a potential +12 across the board for Republicans and it's just, it's a nuclear bomb for Democrats. They're claiming that their rights are being infringed as ladies screaming shame for taking away My rights, bro. 50% of the state trying to vote away the other 45 rights. No. Now as for Tennessee, they had one district anyway and their that's getting eliminated under the VRA. And I say good of it. If you go to Virginia which had balanced maps and say eliminate the balanced maps in favor of Democrat maps. Wrong. If you go to a red state that's got racially gerrymander districts and you get rid of that, good. Now I'm biased, so I'm happy the Republicans are winning. But I think there's a moral distinction here.

[Sam Nunberg]

Well, definitely. Let's talk about the rationale of the decision. Tim. In Virginia, and I didn't even know this until that vote, the reason that Virginia, it was only a 4:3 decision, but the reason that those four justices overturned this was because actual votes were cast by Virginians before the Virginia legislature decided to put the amendment in up for the vote. In other words, they were disenfranchising their own voters to do.

[Tim Pool]

Also is Louisiana though the dissent from Ketanji Brown Jackson in Louisiana is that there's already 50,000 votes cast. And so if they redo the election now they're telling Those it's like 49,500 votes, you're gone. The argument is okay, well the maps unconstitutional. Have a nice day. The issue however with Virginia is the new map is unconstitutional. In Louisiana, the map they tried implementing is unconstitutional. So sorry, those votes don't count. In Virginia, the new map is unconstitutional because they didn't go through the proper procedure for amendment. Right, right.

[Sam Nunberg]

It's a process issue. Yeah, it's an actual process.

[Tim Pool]

They literally just said you can't just amend the Constitution through a vote. It's gotta go through a process.

[Tate Brown]

And the Tennessee pro clutching's hilarious because Tennessee not to get like too partisan hacky here. But it's just true is that Tennessee and Massachusetts have a nearly identical population. They have about seven and a half million each. And Massachusetts is nine Democrats, zero Republicans. And the spread between Democrats and Republicans in Massachusetts is far closer than Tennessee. As in far more people as a proportion of the population voted the further Republicans in Tennessee than Democrats in Massachusetts. So again, it's one of those things where it's like, if you're really gonna pearl clutch over Tennessee, have a word with Massachusetts first. All we're doing here is settling scores. That's all that's happening. Sorry, Tim makes this point on the show. We're doing this procedurally. This is a procedural victory. This isn't like mind blowing. This is an over, you know, over. You know, we're not ramping up necessarily, just playing. We're not playing dirty per se. No, it's just again, settling scores is primarily what's happening here.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but you could play dirty with procedure too. The Nazis could. Hitler did that. I mean, we could like having guns illegal and stuff. And it was like, it's all procedure.

[Tate Brown]

Well, we could.

[Sam Nunberg]

No.

[Tim Pool]

No other government ever has done anything like this. There's literally no other example in history that we could cite to condemn authoritarianism or tyranny. It's always got to be Nazi Germany.

[Tate Brown]

It's always Nazi Germany every time. When I saw Steve Cohen lose his se, I was like, I feel like this is what, 1939 in Berlin? What's going on?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I just don't hide behind this.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's like the Bolshevik Revolution.

[Ian Crossland]

Because it was done on paper, it's right. That doesn't necessarily mean it's right or ethical, but I just wanna point that out. You're saying score settling, that sounds like a bad thing.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I would grant that if Massachusetts had a fair map, or at least if they were giving us at least two Republicans, then I'd be like, okay, I could see that argument. But in this instance, I'm like, no, I'm not settling scores. That is leveling the playing field is what's going on here. Republicans are finally.

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, wow.

[Tate Brown]

We've been getting swamped for years reading our lunch. Let's actually try to catch up here.

[Sam Nunberg]

Play by Marcus at Queensbury Rules anymore. That's just the reality of the situation. If the Democrats take power, imagine if they did, God forbid, in 2028, you know what you're going to have? You're going to have Puerto Rico.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

As a state, you're going to have two senators from D.C. you're going to have around 50 million people added to the rolls, all voting Democrat. So this is really their last gasp. Now, thank God and thanks to Stephen Miller and others. Thank God that we have the census also coming in 2030, which we haven't talked about. So the long term projection for this republic, we are a republic, not a democracy for this republic, is that Democrats can no longer game the system anymore to, to have more seats and more representation than they deserve. I mean, we've all seen the maps on the presidentials, right? Everyone.

[Shane Cashman]

You know, I just, I wonder how many of these districts had cemeteries in them. And all the Democrats, all the Democratic voters, they lost. North Carolina recently had tens of thousands of dead people on the polls.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Try to keep them on.

[Tate Brown]

Of course, Democrats haven't pushed a ban cremation because that really, you know, it's bad for them.

[Ian Crossland]

They need the bodies.

[Tim Pool]

It would be funny if you get granular with these maps and you can see that they carve. All they did was carve out a single cemetery and then it turns into a red district.

[Sam Nunberg]

You know, I know you have a lot of listeners and followers in Virginia. You know what's interesting to me is Spamberger, as we know, ran against this, right. She said, I'm not going to put this up. And then she did. Obviously she's a liar. She did after she was elected. And I was wondering, was this like with Bush when He only supported McCain Feingold because he told everyone, well, it'll get overturned by the Supreme Court. So is she, is this part of her long game to at least get the VP ticket and say, look, I did this. But I. But at the end of the day, she actually expected this to be overturned.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, you know, we can go pie in the sky, super, super optimistic, white belt conspiratorial. And they're trying to ice out woke up. I mean we saw in some of these primary races they're trying to get the progressives to lose. They want them out. And maybe this is all one big plan. Look, the Republicans are gonna win because they want progressives to lose. Then come back out and say it's your fault. The whackaloon progressives, or more importantly the shift rightward in a lot of these states will force the Democrats to moderate as a party to try and capture more moderate districts.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Well, even in the new map, or now it's dead in Virginia, was they actually spread out like deep blue districts and now you had a bunch of sort of maybe lean or like lighter A lighter shade of blue districts. And so to Tim's point, I mean, they would have had to run guys that could tack a little bit more to the right when necessary if they end up in a knife fight, if the GOP threw up a good candidate. So, yes, Virginia clawed back more Democrats, but they lost a lot of their bite to really push through hyper progressives and that sort of thing.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd love to see the Democratic Party go a little more moderate because then I will join them again and then I will force the Republican Party to be their best in order to come back. Because right now, I don't want them to feel like we got this. We don't have to be good people.

[Shane Cashman]

We.

[Ian Crossland]

We just have to be authoritarian and make it, you know, make the law in our favor.

[Tim Pool]

Like. Yeah, I want to point out something real quick. 270 to win changed the Virginia congressional map, even though this was pending adjudication. And it's the weirdest thing ever to shift that projection. I don't get it. Let me reset real quick. It's currently the. The as of right now, house projection to 71 is a Republican winning. 209 Republican, 207 Democrat. They've updated Florida that signed. They've not updated Louisiana, which is going to happen these other Southern states. But Virginia, it looks like they changed Virginia back to what it should look like except for the actual districts. So the map should be reverted, but it looks like they just arbitrarily turned blue districts red. So it fits properly despite the map being wrong. But I want to give a shout out and a condolences to our, to our friend Pinchy. Pinchy the lobster. Everybody was calling this district Pinchy, which is a Simpsons reference. No longer. No longer. It's, it's, it's gone. Not allowed. And so, I mean, this is crazy. The current projection is 209 Republican to 207 Democrat with 19 toss ups. So we'll see exactly what happens. But already. Let's do this. We're going to eliminate this. This. We're going to eliminate one here. We're going to eliminate one here. We're Going to eliminate one here already. You eliminate those VRA districts and it's 212 Republican, Democrat, 204. What has shocked me the whole time. And I'm going to tell you this, I will take. Let me pull this up from Kelsey. I am going to do a victory lap here. I had been saying all week that the prices were wrong on the, on the balance of power on the call she market Democrat, House and Senate is the plurality 43% to win. Democrats can't win the Senate. I'm going to say it again, they can't win. So if you go to the Senate map it is based on Republican states already 50 seats. Democrats would have to flip a Republican Senator out of office and win all remaining toss ups. That will not happen. They will not win the Senate. So why the are people putting money

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[Tim Pool]

House and Democrat Senate Even when decision desk says Democrats are the underdog in the Senate, it makes no sense. And you can see here for Republican sweep just spiked 6 percentage points. I said last week based on the VRA. This is mispriced. These predictions are wrong and that once the statements start coming in from these, from these, from the DOJ and from the governors, Republican sweep will spike. The only question right now is will Democrats win the House? Senate's a done deal. Democrats might win the House but as of right now with this major shift we've just seen, I'm going to call them underdogs. Republicans just gained eight seats right now. The current polling has Republicans at 12, the Democrat 204. If the Southern states were redistrict under the VRA. If Harmeet Dillon goes after him. Did you guys know that if Harmeet Dhillon goes to New Jersey she could flip a district Republican in New Jersey. Pennsylvania has two seats that can be flipped Republican as well based on the vra.

[Ian Crossland]

When you say if she goes there, what do you mean? What would she do?

[Tim Pool]

If the DOJ uses the weight of law enforcement, they say the federal government is enforcing the Supreme Court's ruling on racially gerrymandered districts and then sue the state requiring them to redistrict. If that happens, you can get two more Republican districts in Pennsylvania and one in New Jersey.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, I've even seen some discussion, some chatter that this could even be applied in California. There's a lot of seats in California that are overwhelmingly majority Hispanic, overwhelmingly majority Asian, but they're carved in such a way where, okay, yes, the Democrat Party in their head just steel manned them, to be honest here, as they're probably like, we just need to scoop up and sink a district, make it as Democrat as possible. But again, by law, if you evaluate that from a VRA perspective, you're saying, well, no, that's just a racial gerrymander.

[Tim Pool]

Let me pull this story up from post. Bueno. Hakeem Jeffries is livid after Virginia court ruling blocking redistricting. Says Dems will win midterms no matter what it takes.

[Sam Nunberg]

Now he's really mad.

[Tim Pool]

Well, our friend Hassan Piker has chimed in saying the Virginia Supreme Court denied the results of the redistricting referendum. SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights act, and Tennessee carved up the last Democrat district, destroying black voter power in the state. Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Now that is true. We gotta get to the story. Tennessee today enacted their map. The city of Memphis has been split into three different districts now turning each of these districts red, eliminating the one Democrat district, and unfortunately, this. This man right here, Steve Cohen. Black power gone, right?

[Tate Brown]

Oh my gosh.

[Tim Pool]

This. This white Jewish man who was the representative from this black district, he represents black power. And the Republican candidate, the black woman does not.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, I've never been. I'm a native Memphian. This guy has been terrorizing my city for a very long time with just him calling out on a regular basis. And he blocked me on Twitter.

[Sam Nunberg]

He blocked me on Twitter.

[Tate Brown]

That's awesome, because I think I called him a crazy person or something, which is objectively true. He blocked me on Twitter and that's unconstitutional. It's from his official congressional account. And I depend on Representative Cohen, his updates on Twitter for information on my hometown. This very vital information that me. And now he's withholding me from my constitutional right. Yeah, I think I have a case here. I mean, if there's any lawyers in the audience, give me a shout, cuz this is just unbelievable. Rep. Cohen is just isolating. Picking out a private citizen for like, just say again, I'll Use the word again. A score settling. It's really unacceptable. But Steve Cohen's case, now, there's zero prospects for a Democrat in any sort of statewide operation. So I would recommend for him to update his resume, add the open to work thing on his LinkedIn profile. I think that would favor black power.

[Sam Nunberg]

What do you guys all think? I have this debate with friends of mine. What do you think? If the Democrats do take the House? We would, obviously, I say we have Republicans would still control the Senate. Could the Democrats control themselves and not impeach Trump? It's such a political loser.

[Tate Brown]

I don't think they're gonna, you know.

[Tim Pool]

You know the meme of the kid, like, in the desk at school, and it's like the veins are popping out. That's what they're like right now.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they would do it once, and if it failed, they would just stop doing it. I think if they were going to do it, they would do it once.

[Tate Brown]

And then I think. I think what's more likely is they try to gum them up and gum up admin officials and hearings and that sort of thing.

[Sam Nunberg]

I don't.

[Tate Brown]

I don't think they're. From what I've seen, I just don't think there's an appetite right now among the House. If they were to win, to try and impeach them. It's just. It takes so much work. Again, they've had opportunities so far where a few kind of Democrat congressmen that are maybe on the outs have tried to put forward impeachment legislation, and they've gotten told off by more senior officials of the Democrat Party. They're like, dude, this is just not worth it right now. So I think what's more likely is they just try to gum up everybody, drag them in to hearings, committees, and that sort of thing.

[Shane Cashman]

You guys are assuming the aliens will let the midterms happen.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, that's exactly right. Who knows?

[Tate Brown]

Extraterrestrials are like. Like legal, Yo.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man. I asked Rock. I asked Grok to make a picture of Scott Gohan at a protest, and it made this

[Tate Brown]

probably pretty close to what he's done.

[Shane Cashman]

That's the.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't. I didn't write Black Lives Matter anything. It just put him there.

[Tate Brown]

So he is infamous. Kind of his. His five minutes of fame. I mean, he's had a few over the years, but one was he just ate a bucket of KFC fried chicken during a House committee.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but come on.

[Shane Cashman]

Amazing.

[Tate Brown]

Obvious pandering to his black suit.

[Tim Pool]

No, I mean, I reject this See, what I can't stand is the racism that says only black people are allowed to enjoy fried chicken.

[Ian Crossland]

I love fried chicken oil.

[Tim Pool]

Every nation, every people loves fried chicken. In China, they fry the chicken and put sugar sauce all over it. And so this stereotype where they're like, haha, the guy's eating fried chicken. It's for black people. No, I love fried chicken. I eat fried chicken like every single day practically. And that's why I'm so offended.

[Tate Brown]

But Steve, it was a weird because it was during a hearing where they had bar in front of him and I guess the message he was trying to send was bar is a chicken. And so he's like, I'm going to eat fried chicken. And then immediately everyone's like, doesn't he represent Memphis? It's more obvious what's going on here.

[Sam Nunberg]

That's original.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Gorge the whole bucket, dude.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, he was going to town.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, I guess the issue is that he ate it in a disgusting way.

[Ian Crossland]

Was he licking his fingers, sucking on the tips and stuff?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, look at it.

[Tim Pool]

There's a picture.

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, he's going.

[Tim Pool]

Is. Is Hassan Piker arguing that this represents black power?

[Ian Crossland]

There's people that can't afford that.

[Tim Pool]

I got questions. Hold on. Deer park water, that's also bad. You know, plastic.

[Tate Brown]

And I don't think that's the Memphis water because, you know, all the different water brands are like segregated by region. I'm pretty sure in. What is it in Memphis? It's not in Deer Park. So he's. This is a foreign.

[Tim Pool]

What's his net worth?

[Tate Brown]

He's a swamp creature.

[Shane Cashman]

Colonel Sanders is a racist symbol. I'm surprised that's there.

[Tate Brown]

I know, right?

[Tim Pool]

Good point.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Symbol of antebellum South. It says Kentucky on the bucket when he's supposed to be serving Tennessee. Was it Tennessee?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, Memphis.

[Shane Cashman]

True.

[Tate Brown]

You know, it's funny too. Steve. Steve Cohen, after this whole all happened, there was a few house and state reps from Memphis and they were like. There was one guy, he got up and he's like, Memphis needs to secede from this country right away. And I was like, if Memphis became its own state, it would be a GTA server the next day. Like, unbelievable.

[Tim Pool]

It's also a Marvel movie. Maybe you don't want to take Tennessee in that direction if you're like the

[Sam Nunberg]

chair of a committee and he's just going. And he's just like ruining the whole hearing. Or he's harassing one of the witnesses.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Sam Nunberg]

A Republican witness or an administration Official. Can you imagine? You're just a chair and you just be like. Can you just shut the hell up? You know he shouldn't even be here anymore.

[Tim Pool]

Right. He has an estimated net worth of $10 million.

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, that's it.

[Tim Pool]

9.9 million with active training.

[Sam Nunberg]

Can we find out?

[Tate Brown]

Well, he was like, he was. He was a criminal defendant. Like he was a lawyer.

[Tim Pool]

He was a criminal defendant. What crime did he commit?

[Tate Brown]

He would only defend criminals.

[Tim Pool]

Criminal defense attorney.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Criminal defendant.

[Tate Brown]

He was effectively.

[Tim Pool]

He's on trial for crimes on grand for Memphis.

[Tate Brown]

Because he was. Because he was.

[Tim Pool]

So he was a member of Congress is currently.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's because every single time he was in, in the court, it was him defending like a violent criminal, like reliably.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, he's been in in Congress for 16 years.

[Sam Nunberg]

He's become an expert stock trader. It must be from his criminal law.

[Ian Crossland]

He's in Microsoft, Tennessee Stable Value Fund and Amgen are his three largest.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys see that Rona thing?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Negative.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He was accused of massive, massive illicit trades deals like the most notorious. There's like a. It's like what is like a 230 page breakdown of like everything he did.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah. Has he responded to that?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I don't know.

[Sam Nunberg]

He's always. He's always on social media.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Basically the accusation is that his family is doing these trades. So it's not. It's supposed to be outside of your family with a different company or whatever and he's buying defense contract stuff. And that's the accusation. I don't know. I only read it briefly and I'm waiting to see.

[Shane Cashman]

That's all of them. Crenshaw does it too. Pelosi, they all get rich.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right.

[Tate Brown]

One more thing about Cohen.

[Tim Pool]

It's the only reason to be in Congress.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

One more really weird thing about Cohen before we move on to vindicate my point that he is a crazy person is there was this. It was like, you know, the find you'd roots show that you see on tv. There was something similar where they discovered that his like maternal grandmother was born in Turkey. Now he's Jewish. So this was obviously probably someone that was Jewish that moved out of the Ottoman Empire. But because of that he went insofar as he got nominated to like the Council on Turkish Relations.

[Sam Nunberg]

Amazing.

[Tate Brown]

And he was a bulwark against recognizing the Armenian genocide because he was like, we don't want to piss off Turkey, my ancestors. This guy is like actually a crazy person. Like bonafide crazy person. And that's like, the weirdest reason I think I've ever seen to oppose recognizing the Armenian genocide is because my Jewish grandmother lived in the Ottoman Empire.

[Sam Nunberg]

I'm going to take all these clips and I'm going to, and I'm going to go on X and I'm going to just go at him, at him.

[Tim Pool]

This is actually pretty crazy. This is Carolyn Wren. The current totals are Republican up 8 with, with 2 to 6 pending for Republicans. Republicans could theoretically end up with 14 extra seats. So again, I, I don't know why. If you were on the betting markets and you were like, it's 50% Democrat House, Republican Senate or Republican sweep, I'd be like, that makes sense. But these people who are arguing, I'll put, I'll put it like this. Anybody buying Republican, Republican House, Democrat Senate, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. So I don't know why anybody would put any money in that. But again, who are these people that are like, I'm going to invest money on Democrats winning both here. And I'm explaining why that makes no sense. The only thing that can happen is this goes down. All of the redistricting war stuff we're seeing is favoring Republicans. So the news is going to, or the hype, I should say, should bring that down as it becomes likely not to happen. There's not going to be any big story or hype indicating Democrats are going to do better. It's only going to indicate they're doing worse, projecting a decline in the value of those contracts.

[Sam Nunberg]

Well, Tim, you got to realize something. Democrats and their problem is because they don't know what to do with Trump, they always fight the last war, which is one of the worst things you can do in political warfare. Now, when I was following you during the election, we would all, you guys would always cover the prediction markets. So if I'm a Democrat here and I'm seeing, and I remember like Elon was always posting about the prediction markets, how Trump is going to win. If I'm a Democrat here, I'm going to say to donors or somebody like that, I'm going to say, hey, keep betting on the Democrats, keep betting on the Democrats. You know, it's a form of market manipulation. But the idea that the Democrats could win the Senate, that's crazy. Now Republicans are going to have to spend a lot of money in certain states they don't normally want to have to. Such as, like, let's say Ohio. I think that that could be a difficult race for Republicans. But, but this Is. But this is something where, if we're going to start looking at this as a scientific. I mean, these aren't, you know, these aren't. Although I would say the bankers, too. Who knows with what they do, Right?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

I mean, we look at the price of crude oil now. That's ridiculous. But, I mean, this isn't exactly scientific. It's people just betting their money.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And the betting markets, sometimes it's like wishful betting, where it's like they're wishing for what they would like to see happen.

[Sam Nunberg]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

This happens a lot. Like, a good example is Randy Fine and Dan Blizarian are running against each other. Now, again, anyone working in politics knows, like, Dan was, and he's like, no chance here whether or not you like Fine. That's, like, besides the point. But he's at, like, 30% in the betting market. And so it's basically just they're selling dollars for 70 cents right now. Because it's like one of those things where people are seeing the online energy, they're seeing he gets a lot of likes, and they're like, oh, this clearly must be a viable candidate. But we've learned over and over and over again is that Twitter is real life. And insofar as it affects the Zeitgeist, but insofar as, like, culminating into elections, it's never really the case. And the betting markets just aren't keeping up with the reality on the ground oftentimes. Again, I bet a lot of these people that are betting are just probably one side of their algorithms telling them the Republicans are way out of line. The court's gonna come crashing down on them. They have a plan. They believe Hakeem Jeffries at his word. But again, the pragmatic approach to what's happening is the Republicans procedurally are now having a mass. They have a serious advantage in the midterms coming up. And then again, I mean, maybe this is predicated on the Iran war getting extended. That could be why they're still betting on Democrats. But I imagine that will get mopped up at some point.

[Sam Nunberg]

I mean, let me put my evil political consultant hat on. Look, we've got $4,311,100 in total volume, at least, if I'm reading that correctly. Right. I could go to a wealthy person, and he's a Republican, let's say. And I could say, look, these prediction markets, I need you. It's good for public perception. Do me a favor, Put. Put a couple hundred grand on Republicans here. I just need. I Just need to change the numbers a little.

[Tate Brown]

Like a Democrat running right now and they're in a knife fight, they can take this betting market, go to. Back to the their donors and say, hey, we still have a chance here, but we got to, like, ice this out. Give me some more money.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, that's right. And makes sense.

[Tate Brown]

Makes sense.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, so you get one guy to put $500,000 into the betting market, and then the other guy goes and raises 2 million.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, something like that, too.

[Tate Brown]

Ah, something like that. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Two betting markets. People rely on us here in Polymart.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Sam Nunberg]

And. And the one thing I would say is 2024. It was indicative. It certainly was indicative. And you guys covered that all the time. And you were 100% right. That was new to me. You know, if somebody who does this for a living, I had to see. I had to see what goes on in every presidential election. I mean, when I worked in 2016, the big thing was Twitter. Right. In 2008, you know, if you look at Obama's when the big thing was a Facebook group. Oh, wow. The Obama campaign had Facebook groups to get people to organize. But this, this made a big difference on public perception.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

For President Trump, but it's not that much money.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. It puts all these. These vote getters. You know, there's like an entire industry built up around getting out the vote. Puts them in a really tough spot because, like, it's tough for them to actually determine which calculation is leading to electoral victory and whatnot. Because, you know, you'll see some guys that'll come out and they're like, oh, we knocked like a million doors and got a bunch of people to, like, register as Republicans, and then they get spanked in the next election. So it's like, okay, well, I don't know if that's a reliable metric. But then you go off betting odds. Not reliable. Twitter now is.

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tate Brown]

just like a mess. So it's really tough to determine for a lot of these. Yeah. Like the guys in the consultant class or, or even guys that are like get out the vote types. It's difficult to really determine where energy actually is. I think we're actually kind of returning to a pre Internet era of like you kind of just have to do vibe checks. Just ask voters what they're thinking. And polling is ending up being somewhat reliable. They actually got the last midterms pretty. They did pretty well. Because I remember approaching the last midterm cycle, everyone's like, the polling's bs. This is the margin of error. Like the Republicans are gonna win, it's gonna be a red wave and then the Democrats won. It's like. Well, it turns out like the polling is actually maybe these pollsters have learned their lesson a little bit.

[Tim Pool]

I want to stress to another market from Kalshee which is not priced in properly and that's will Trump be impeached If Democrats do not take the House, Trump will not be impeached. And considering now this massive procedural victory, theoretically you should see will he be impeached? You should see no be spiking that he will not be. But indeed it's not. I think the issue with this market, there's twofold. First, you can actually the way it's structured with before January, before March or before January 1, 2027. I'm sorry, before January of 2028, March of 27 or January of 27, they're all conditioned on it happening within a time frame.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So the graph actually is just showing you that people think it will happen on this date or on this date. Of course the implication is they expect him to get impeached. However, considering we just, we're looking at a potential 14 seat swing for Republicans, I'd argue no. Should be skyrocketing. It should be massive. Trump's not going to get impeached. Like the likelihood of getting impeached goes down every single day.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right. Well, look, if I think if California is overturned and it could, it could. I just saw that Senator Schmidt posted on X about that. If that's overturned, that's ballgame. That's. I mean that's ballgame for Republicans will keep the House. And the weird thing is, let me just say one quick thing. When we talk about vibes, a lot of this, you guys got to remember, it's just cyclical, right. Like the Republic, like the incumbent president, they lose the midterm. They lose the midterm. So he'll lose the House.

[Tim Pool]

But.

[Sam Nunberg]

But we've got a couple things here that they're just outliers. One is Donald J. Trump and voters literally everything vote for him. And then. And then number two is a Democrat brand. Even at this time, it is just war. It is just terrible. I mean, what, I mean, what do they represent?

[Tim Pool]

Child sex changes?

[Sam Nunberg]

Exactly. That's exactly right.

[Ian Crossland]

That's.

[Sam Nunberg]

That's our number one priority.

[Tim Pool]

Dude's pulling fire a lot.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yes.

[Tate Brown]

Now with, with Kalshi in this instance, is there a possibility that a lot of these people are just jammed up in these contracts that are now looking like really unfavorable and they just can't sell out of them? Like, they're waiting.

[Tim Pool]

They're waiting for. It's got to go up or they can sell.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Well, what's the volume here? I mean, no one's going to be buying. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, dude, it's massive.

[Tate Brown]

Maybe a lot of these guys are just jammed up in these contracts.

[Tim Pool]

3.2 million.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, but I'm saying, insofar as you've bought a yes Contract, who's buying YES contracts right now? That could be like. It's just. There's. There's no ability to actually move the volume right now because everyone's jammed up. Everyone's trying to dump money now and nobody.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, what you'd expect to happen is. No. Right now, nobody wants to lose money on Democrat House, Democrat Senate. So they're floating. But the value of Republican House and Republican Senate, a Republican sweep has just jumped six points in the past day or so. So if you bought Republican sweep when it was at 13.5 and you're up to 26, congratulations. You just doubled your money. You're good. You can exit. So we'll see.

[Sam Nunberg]

You know, you missed your calling as a stock trader.

[Tim Pool]

No, No, I did not. I don't think stock trading is a real thing anyway. I mean, there's. I was. I was watching this funny. I was reading this funny thing on stats. You're more likely to make money in a casino than day trading.

[Sam Nunberg]

Could be.

[Tim Pool]

There's. It's, It's. Yep. Based on the House edges of games people. More. The, the. The. The rate at which a person will leave a casino with money per. Per capita or per 100 people is greater than the amount of people who make money day trading. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Nice thing about trading is you can do it from home. You can do it without going anywhere, but it's boring as hell. I was trading crypto, like fervently in 2017, 2018.

[Tim Pool]

I get computer to do it so

[Ian Crossland]

much so you make 100%. You can like just double your money in like three days.

[Tim Pool]

It's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

How much? If you read the white papers and you know what's happening. No, that's 9% of the population has no idea. That's why.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, there's all hype. Let's jump to the next big story. Let's jump the next big story. Got this from the Daily Mail, ladies and gentlemen. It's happened. They have released the UFO files. They've released some UFO files. There's interesting images. Star struck chilling UFO files. Video shows eight pointed star with shape shifting arms darting across the sky. Look at this, look at this. That proves it. That is ridiculous.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right?

[Ian Crossland]

That's what happens when you point a camera at a light.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but that's too solid. What is a shape shifting army? It's not doing anything.

[Sam Nunberg]

That's just like a compass.

[Ian Crossland]

Why, why would anyone believe that any video is real?

[Shane Cashman]

When I first saw that, I thought it was going to draw a phallus. They're just going to Rick, roll us with the files.

[Tim Pool]

So then we've got all of these photos. Look at this. This proves it. See this right here? That is clearly an image of aliens making contact with Earth.

[Sam Nunberg]

Also, they can never release it in color.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's black.

[Sam Nunberg]

Why can't they ever release stuff in color?

[Tim Pool]

Well, there's none. I think one of, one of the more interesting things is these photos. This is a photo from the Apollo mission. You can see these strange blue lights off in the distance and then there's these blue lights and then this. I, I gotta clarify for everybody because I'm seeing people. I'm seeing people. Look at this go. That's not real. Yes, it's not real. It's literally someone described something. So they went into a 90s program and they were like, does it look like this? It's intentionally not a real photo.

[Ian Crossland]

Will you show that top one again?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm looking for the, I'm looking for one of these right here.

[Sam Nunberg]

95.

[Tim Pool]

Right. So look at this image. This is Apollo 1969. And there were strange objects that they, they claim were floating in the sky. And Shane was explaining, I've heard this before, that we were attacked by aliens on the moon.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, if you believe in the moon and you believe that people went to

[Tim Pool]

the moon first, you got to believe in the moon.

[Shane Cashman]

If you believe in the moon, yeah. There's a theory that our astronauts encountered some sort of demon, alien monster. Up there. And that's why we didn't go back. And NASA's just lying about all the files being deleted. That's why we didn't go back, they say. And then they also say that the Russians were overhearing that happening. That's why they never went and sent people. I don't buy it. I mean, Stanley Kubrick was only working with so much at the time.

[Tim Pool]

I think these are just like lens flares and like.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it doesn't really do anything for me. The whole thing just seems so silly. You know, the most of the reporting I've seen on this in like the mainstream space is they can hardly get through the reporting without smiling. They're all like making jokes about, you know, X Files. And they gave Peter Doocy a hard drive and I thought he was about to start dancing on the White House lawn like Lips of TikTok with an Epstein binder. It's just a joke. It's like a demoralization campaign, you know? And also it's released on a Friday, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

You know how Fridays are with news. There's a reason they chose Friday wasn't a Monday. They're supposed to write history or what?

[Tim Pool]

They want it to die.

[Shane Cashman]

They want it to die because it's, it's not Friday night news stuff. There's nothing. But they'll say, they'll say I release

[Tim Pool]

it at all, though.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, I think, I think it's a lot of demon narrative stuff going on, and I think it's. There's many ways of looking at it. Distractions from the Epstein files, which are the real abductions that were happening to children.

[Tim Pool]

What if, what if they are abducting the children for aliens?

[Shane Cashman]

Well, I think that they're demons and they were feeding off the children. That's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so actually, let's, let's, let's, let's. Let's bring it all together. Because of course, there's the sacrificing kids to Moloch, right. If the aliens, as they describe them, actually are just extra, extra dimensional entities, AKA demons, then they would want children. And we can just go like, take all the conspiracies, put them in a nice little melting pot, turn the heat up. And Abstein was trafficking kids to interdimensional beings.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And the reason they won't release any of the information is actually because then they'll be like, yes, they're. They're entities that we sacrifice children to.

[Shane Cashman]

Right. I think a lot of this that we're seeing with the UFO files is a Rebranding attempt from the Epstein files. Because the Epstein files implicate the ruling class on all sides of being complicit and taking part in this demonic activity. But with the UFO files, they're able to, like, project this onto some other entity that they're not.

[Tim Pool]

So. So the other conspiracy then, just to infer from there, is the elites are kidnapping and raping kids. And they're like, what do we do? We can't release the information. And they go, can we set up a scheme so where we can blame aliens for doing it?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So then they release these alien files, say, oh, those kids that were missing aliens.

[Shane Cashman]

It's a boogeyman.

[Sam Nunberg]

I'm actually a few people I'm proud of being in the Epstein files.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, nice. I was mentioning how so.

[Tim Pool]

Good way or a bad way?

[Shane Cashman]

Are you a cannibal? Let me tell me.

[Sam Nunberg]

To me, it was a good way. I was. I had a tit and for tat with Steve Bannon.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, wow.

[Sam Nunberg]

So Epstein says that Michael Wolf, who, of course, you know, I tell Michael something. You know, I'm a reporter. I tell Michael something, right? Michael's not supposed to give away sources. He runs immediately to Epstein. So there's an email exchange where Epstein says. He says, number and you are a foul or something like that. And Bannon's like, question mark, question mark. And he goes, talk to Wolf. So. So Bannon says, okay. So then he goes, suffice to say, I'm here to support you, or something like that. I have my guys out here. Man, I would have loved it if Epstein went after me. I would have killed that guy. You know, Bannon once said to me, he goes, do you want to go meet Jeffrey Epstein? I said, what the f would I want to go meet Jeffrey Epstein for? My, like, what were they doing? I have no idea what they were doing. I think Bannon was trying to get money from him.

[Shane Cashman]

That was very discouraging because I'm some. I followed Bannon for a long time. He's one of my favorite guests who's ever been on irl. But his relationship with Epstein in the files was very far. He wrote it. He wrote it off as, like, filmmaker and stuff.

[Sam Nunberg]

But come on.

[Shane Cashman]

There's a line you cross when you're talking to someone like Epstein, especially post conviction. But I think a lot of this stuff with the UFO files is an attempt at rebranding. A lot of the evil that we know is organized through the Epstein files.

[Tim Pool]

But in all seriousness, outside of any wacky theory, could it still be Related to entities in some way, like.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, yeah, I believe in the spiritual realm. I believe in demons. I don't need the government to tell me that I have the Bible. But I. And I believe that also, there's a possibility that ancient breakaway civilizations exist. Palmer Lucky. Not a big fan of his, but I agree with his interpretation. It's the same one I have. We might disagree on the age of Earth, but I think it's very possible there are technologically advanced civilizations that broke away during some sort of cataclysm. In that.

[Tim Pool]

How long could that have been? Like, how old is the Earth in biblical terms?

[Shane Cashman]

Well, I. Well, it depends who you ask. There's old age, old Earth theorists, and young Earth theorists. I'm more of the young Earth type, which is 6,000 years, you know, so

[Tim Pool]

then how old the civilization really have been? I mean, we know about civilizations going

[Shane Cashman]

back 6,000 years, and I think within that 6,000 years, it could be. However you interpret the age of Earth, it could be what, Agartha? I don't know about Gartha.

[Sam Nunberg]

Agartha.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's the civilization in Hollow Earth. I don't know into Hollow Earth. And there's an advanced civilization inside the planet.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, they've been trying to say stuff like that, too. They keep finding. Scientists keep finding new skeletons that rewrite human history, which is a lot of what this narrative is about, getting people on board with a new sort of narrative that fits in with the transhumanists that are in charge right now. Those are the demons I think we have. Like, when they show me an image of Peter Thiel that looks like an alien body.

[Tim Pool]

What do you think about the Enhanced Games?

[Shane Cashman]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

You're not familiar? They're doing the. They're doing, like, an Olympics where you can take all the peds you want.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Release the freaks.

[Shane Cashman]

So, like.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, you're telling me drugs, neuralinks.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know about neuralinks, but, like, apparently you can just be hepped up on, you know, good for them.

[Shane Cashman]

Hey, go for it. That's. That's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

But I think that's, like, a transhumanist thing.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, yeah, I mean, that definitely borders into transhumanism. I don't know if taking some of those things for sports. Those guys might think of themselves as transhumanists, but the transhumanists are people who want to defeat God in their own way, which you can't do and live forever, and they're trying to shackle humanity to the material world. And I think that Is in direct opposition to the Bible.

[Tate Brown]

But it's like, you're telling me trans. Trans. Not transgenders. Transhumanists in the Olympics wouldn't be, like, the most fun thing on planet Earth.

[Tim Pool]

Like a dude with robot arms lifting.

[Tate Brown]

Exactly. Because I think we need two extra, like, lanes in the pool. Is have all the normal Olympians. At the top, you have the transhumanist, and at the bottom, you have, like, an average guy. But so you can, like, gauge where you would be.

[Tim Pool]

But look, if we went cybernetic with the enhanced games, it would literally just be, like a head with, like, vital organs mounted to, like, a. Like a forklift.

[Tate Brown]

General Grievous.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's a forklift. It's a human. It's like. It's like they're going to be like, oh, we can bio enhance any person. Okay. Neural link this guy to a forklift and then see how much he can lift. And it's like, okay, that's not impressive.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, the. The boxing would turn into that robot battles that they do on

[Tim Pool]

everything. Everything's flat on the ground, spinning. So the robot battle thing used to be interesting robots, and they'd, like, attack with hammers. And then people realized, just make a robot as flat as possible with a hammer that spins around. And so they're all making the same robots these days.

[Shane Cashman]

There were giant robots fighting in Detroit a few weeks ago. That was cool. Just for fun, I guess. And there was a kung fu robot that went haywire the other day, I think, in Hong Kong when attacked a crowd.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Looks like there's nothing else going on in Detroit. You might as well release.

[Tim Pool]

Arrest all robots. A robot attacked a crowd?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it was like a kung fu robot, and it just went crazy.

[Sam Nunberg]

Russians, too.

[Tim Pool]

In Hong Kong.

[Shane Cashman]

I. I forget if it was Hong Kong. I might just be saying that because it feels right.

[Tate Brown]

Kung fu robot, also known as Chinese special force.

[Tim Pool]

Was it robot dance routine ends in chaos. Maybe humanoid robot punches and kicks.

[Shane Cashman]

There's been a lot. Maybe that one. There's been a lot of robot news lately.

[Tim Pool]

Robot attacks. Crap.

[Tate Brown]

When the elephant in the circus just attacks like, I'm sick of being patronized.

[Ian Crossland]

At what point do you become a cyborg? Is it if you're my. If you're controlling with a neural link a machine that's over there? Or do you have to stitch it into your body?

[Tim Pool]

Is this it?

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, this is it.

[Shane Cashman]

So, yeah, let's see. Yeah. Yeah, that's it.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, he's.

[Shane Cashman]

They were saying this is a drunken monkey routine.

[Tim Pool]

Not Very good.

[Shane Cashman]

No, but you got to realize this is a. This is a psyop to make you think they're not good. Oh, they'll get you his drunk.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see the one that tried to walk in the marathon and then it just fell instantly and exploded and it's arms flying in the air?

[Shane Cashman]

It's my favorite fail videos. Elon thinks we're cyborgs right now because of our phones and technology.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's the question.

[Shane Cashman]

He defines it that way.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, if you're gonna do like, E games, if I'm sitting next to my robot, my bot, and I'm controlling it with my brain, am I a cyborg?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

If I'm. If I'm using voice commands to a phone, am I a cyborg?

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, that's Elon's argument. I don't think so. I think you know, right?

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, when I'm in the shower, check my voice. I like.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, if you've got a headset on that can read your brain waves. Are you a cyborg?

[Shane Cashman]

That might be getting there.

[Tim Pool]

What's the difference between projecting a brainwave and. And using your mouth? Sound waves versus brain waves. You're not actually integrated with the machine.

[Tate Brown]

That thing when you were a kid, we had the headset on in the ball, and you could, like, lift it up by like, just like that. It only worked when you were a kid, bro.

[Tim Pool]

We were all adult men when you

[Shane Cashman]

were a kid 100 years ago.

[Tate Brown]

This is the UNK festivity they are

[Shane Cashman]

working on trying to translate your brain images, though, into image.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, they've done it already?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, like Met has been working on that.

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[Shane Cashman]

I think that makes you a victim of cyborgs. If they're, if they're going after you, you know, that's what they're trying to do. They're studying with the algorithm and all that stuff.

[Tim Pool]

But no but, but I mean like if you put on an EEG or whatever.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And you could control a drone with it. Are you a cyborg now?

[Shane Cashman]

If you could control a drone, perhaps. Because the stuff Palmer Luckey is talking about with Andrew, that he showed on Rogan with the helmet, you could control like thousands of drones at once. Yeah, you're kind of like a mutant magneto, sort of transhumanist.

[Tim Pool]

It's crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, the war machine actually has a genetic alteration.

[Shane Cashman]

They don't.

[Ian Crossland]

There's the cyborgs have tech alterations and the mutants have genetic alterations.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

And then you might have both, which

[Shane Cashman]

would be the chimeras that they're also building.

[Tim Pool]

So then what if, what if you wore like an EEG thing and it was just to like turn your phone on and scroll?

[Shane Cashman]

I think that makes you cyborg.

[Sam Nunberg]

Ish.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I just, I'm curious the distinction because Ian's mentioning you could do voice commands right now.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So choosing to project a wave with sound to make your device do things versus thinking it.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, I think that's like. Because the same with the pacemaker. You're sort of a cyborg.

[Tate Brown]

Well, in the new pacemaker.

[Tim Pool]

Cyborg. Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

You have a machine.

[Tate Brown]

Pacemaker is in the new ear and ear. Whatever's they control, you can control on your phone now.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

They send data to your phone.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If you have, if you have a mechanical device implanted in your body, you are a cyborg, period.

[Shane Cashman]

You know, they've actually been developing nanotechnology that can self assemble inside of you to put a brain chip inside. What reports?

[Tim Pool]

I got a question for you. So is it there are circumstances like you're a cybernetic organism if you have like a pacemaker, if you have like an insulin pump, something in your body to keep you alive. But those are good things, right? Yeah, yeah, it's. What is the line like when it goes into your brain and now you're integrated?

[Tate Brown]

All dogs are cyborgs. They have the chip. All the dogs have chips in them now.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I Don't know that I would call that children.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I think being chipped just makes you

[Shane Cashman]

a slave, you know, I mean, there's a difference to like wanting to just sustain a life as best you can with the day, with the technology of the day. And then the line being when you cross wanting to live forever, you know, And a lot of these guys are developing the neuralink and other things to live forever or to upload their consciousness, which I don't think you can do into a computer.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, because.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see that? I think. I don't know if it was a black, black mirror. The show where the woman has a brain gets brain damaged so they give her a brain implant to restore the damage to her brain, but it only works within, within, within the cell network. And then one day she drives outside the network and then she just blacks out. And they're like, oh, well, you didn't pay for roaming. Yeah, yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta pay for long distance.

[Tate Brown]

Cause like I have trouble. Cause it's like I, I agree that, you know, the, the neuro link thing, if it is truly in pursuit of living forever, that there's serious concerns there. But as far as like someone that's paralyzed, I mean, what if you had a child that was blind paralyzed and then you got offered this neuralink technology to correct that. How on earth could you possibly know?

[Shane Cashman]

I've had people call into the show who are paraplegics who are very much opposed to the neuralink.

[Sam Nunberg]

Really? Why?

[Shane Cashman]

Because there's other things you can do that don't implant microchip. You know, so there's other things that I think they call it the brain bridge. I'm so sorry for the guys who've called and told me about this, but I agree. But a lot of the stuff that they sell from these tech guys, it always comes out with like a. It's beautiful. You're going to help people. You're going to cure seizures, you know, epilepsy, you're going to give sight to the blind. How can you say no to that? But there's always, you know, down the road, I think it's going to become part of the credit system. It's going to become part of control and surveillance. It's going to be part of all the data centers that are being put up everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

They're putting kill switches in our cars already?

[Shane Cashman]

Yes, yes.

[Tim Pool]

They're going to put kill switches in your like, motor function. They're going to be like, he's a criminal. Beep. And so you're going to be. Here's, here's what's really scary is I'm, I, I watch all these videos on Instagram and Instagram loves feeding anti cop videos. But there'll be some where you're like, there, there was one I watched where a woman gets pulled over and accused of being intoxicated and she's not. And then you actually, on the body cam, the woman says, they told me that if I didn't manufacture a dui, I'd get in trouble. And she's like, I know what to do. And the other cops, like just make it up. Yeah. Like these, these dudes are crazy. This will happen.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You will be walking down the street and there's going to be a bad cop who's going to be like, I just got to give someone a ticket, otherwise I'm gonna get in trouble. And then they're gonna like deactivate your motor function and you're gonna be walking and just freeze and you're not gonna be able to move.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they're going to be like, you're beat. You're under arrest. It's going to get, it's going to get creepy. I'm not saying all cops are bad. I'm just saying there will be instances where you'll, I imagine it'll be something like with, with, with cars right now. What's here? Here's my prediction. They're self driving. Cars are already everywhere. They're going to become more and more ubiquitous with the rollout of like the Tesla taxi and things like this. Already Gen Z doesn't drive. Millennials barely drive. And then what's going to happen is their vision is to have apps. No one owns a car. There's one app. All cars are part of various fleets that communicate with each other. So there's no more traffic. You need a car, you press a button, the car comes and picks you up, it brings you there, you get your groceries, it brings you back. And then what ends up happening though is they're not going to outlaw driving. They're going to say, no, no, you're free to drive whenever you want. However, insurance is going to be three grand a month because human drivers cause accidents. This will phase out human driving due to cost and people will slowly forget about it. And they'll do the same thing with brain implants and neuralink. They're going to say, no, no, no, look, don't get. I'm sure Elon will say this. Nobody's forced to get Neuralink. You don't need to get neuralink. It's for people who are paralyzed. They want to walk, they want to see, they want to hear if you are healthy. And you want to get one, though, to interface the computer. That's. That's personal choice. Then what happens is one day in 20 years, more and more people using it will be communicating through neuralink, right? And you'll show up to a job interview. It'll be like a gen Alpha kid who's like 30, and he'll say, I'd love to do this job. I'm the best, you know, prompter for, for the AI networks. I can prompt anything. And they're gonna say, you sound fantastic. Just give us your neuralink id. We'll reach out to you as soon as possible. And he's gonna go, well, I don't have a neuralink. And they're gonna go, well, how do we talk to you? It's like, well, you can email me. Like, no one uses email anymore. And so, like with cell phones right now, how do you get a job if you don't have a cell phone? If you go to a Starbucks, I'd like to get a job and say, okay, leave your phone number and you go, I don't have one. But how do we get in touch with you? I'll show up when you want me to show up and email me. They're gonna be like, yeah, I'm not gonna hire you if you don't have a cell phone.

[Ian Crossland]

You can mail me, I'll mail you back.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Tate Brown]

They're gonna be like, no, you're seeing, like, sociologically, you are seeing sort of a return of sort of analog experiences. Insofar as the idea of the dumb phone is actually really. I looked into it because I'm sick of this phone. And I looked into it and there's a lot of people all across the west that are actually just ditching it, going back to dumb phones. And they're like, you would think your life's over. Like, you would think you're cooked. But they're like, no, you pretty much mitigate anything that you need, you can use on your desktop and that sort of thing. So that does make me a bit more. That gives me a bit more comfort insofar as the technological advancements could be optional.

[Shane Cashman]

I agree. I want to say I'm a, A, I'm a very proud Luddite. Luddites. OG Luddites were not anti tech. They were anti being replaced by mass autonomy. Original Luddites used the weavers of the day. They didn't like that there was a building being built filled with all the technology to replace them, you know, and that's how I feel. Like obviously I like technology and using synthesizers or these microphones, it's amazing. And also Terminator 2, the greatest documentary ever made taught you. It taught you that you have to hack the machines to destroy the machines.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta push back. Terminator 2's wrong about so how so? The Terminators are not going to be freaky skeletons with red eyes. They're going to be big titty anime waifus.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, yeah, I know, I know Elon's

[Tim Pool]

making them right now.

[Sam Nunberg]

I know that.

[Shane Cashman]

That part I agree with. I agree with.

[Tim Pool]

The Terminator is going to show up and it's going to be like a hot chick being like, come over here and give me everything you own. And I'm going to go, okay.

[Shane Cashman]

There's been reporting about how a lot of these young guys are preferring dating AI girlfriends.

[Sam Nunberg]

So pathetic.

[Tim Pool]

But, but, but I get it.

[Shane Cashman]

I know, it's so sad. It's so sad. Oh, the other thing I want to say though, you don't even. You can opt out of the neuralink and all that stuff. The future is with all of this stuff, technology making you believe in this fraudulent little G God that the Technocrats are building from Silicon Valley. It's all leading up to pre crime, social credit system, all that stuff. And they don't even need to be in your brain to know how you're going to act. They're studying you through the algorithm and that's already happening in Louisiana and uk. They're rolling out pre crime units like minority.

[Tim Pool]

But it, but it's worse. It's worse than pre crime. Pre crime is the lie they use so that regular people think it's related to something bad. But once you get into a situation where it's a trust me, he's a bad guy, the pre crime system, the first thing I do is they're going to say, behavioral analytics to track deviant behavior. Here's an individual who we can see is about. It's going to be. Here's what's going to start. They're going to start with these AI cameras and they'll show you a video of a guy walking around looking all shady. And they'll be like, our AI detected a 99.7% likelihood he was about to rob this woman. And the moment he went up and pulled his weapon, we came out with police and grabbed him and stopped him. Pre crime trackers, they won't call it Pre crime, they're going to call it, like deviant. Deviant Analytics Network caught this guy before he committed the crime. Trust us. Then that will evolve into widespread use of AI cameras. And there will be instances where guys walking down the street and he sees a woman he wants to rob or rape, and then all of a sudden a robot grabs him and says, you've been detected for deviant behavior and a crime was, was, you know, where you'll get a minor charge and a removal from the crime circumstance. But the ultimate conclusion is they will sell it to you as crime. But what happens when you are just deviant? When Shane Cashman says, I need to go hold a rally and speak to the people about the dangers. And then as he's walking there, a drone comes and grabs him and says, we've detected deviant behavior, issues an alert saying that Shane was going to rape a woman when it's completely fake, but trust me. And everyone says, well, the AI doesn't lie. It only detects criminal behavior, so why wouldn't it?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't even think they're going to make that, have to make that kind of a leap yet. I think they're going to find a way to redefine violent speech by saying at some point, probably soon, that being critical of AI is domestic terrorism. And I'm saying this because, I'm saying this because Peter Thiel is saying right now all over the world in his Antichrist talks that people who criticize AI are these are his words, Legionnaires of the Antichrist. Right. And Sam Altman's getting attacked with Molotov cocktails. I am totally against violence, but I, I think it's going to lead to a place where you become critical of AI they will try to shut you down, censor you off the things. And then if the social credit system is actually implemented, which is we kind of already have it, they will find a way to take society.

[Tim Pool]

I guarantee you, bro. Yeah, like already. AI related content is very interesting, but I, I, I believe is suppressed. Oh yeah, I, I, I, I think.

[Sam Nunberg]

What do you mean? Like, how is it suppressed?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'll, I'll say it for this first, I'll be rational. Perhaps my audience doesn't care about AI but I really doubt that, considering that I can see what most people can see, that AI is the beast or some. It will destroy humanity. And I don't mean it'll kill all humans. Maybe I'm saying it erases what makes us human. And if I make videos about AI, they do poorly.

[Sam Nunberg]

Really.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And I'm like, you've got conspiracy, apocalypse, antichrist, all of these things in one. It should actually be very interesting to people. There are a lot of AI videos, but the AI videos that I usually see are always very neutral and they take the stance of like, well, we do have fears for these reasons about AI. We think that it's going to do good things too. You never. Well, not never. There's a lot of videos that are very anti AI, but I do believe that the machine already wants to survive, suppress this. And it could be as simple as this. The AI could be building itself. I don't, I don't mean like the AI went back in time. I'm saying, like it's inadvertently. And the humans are going along with it because it's, it functions to their benefit. Example of this, the data centers. If you ask, if you ask an AI, I want to cure cancer, what do I need? The AI's response will be, I don't have the computing power. You need to build a data center. So the humans go build more data centers.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

It's, it's, it's telling the humans and it's a feedback loop. So I think that's a likely reality. Then what happens is you've got big companies and individuals heavily invested in AI stock. So they're going to go to Google and be like, push that anti AI stuff down. I don't want to lose money.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, data centers are the biggest financial. I mean, right now. So they're an absolute bubble. And that's one of the reasons why I'm thinking that, you know, did you notice, I remember that they were saying something about that the government was going to guarantee the loans of chat GPT. And then.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

And, and then, and then I can't remember his name, but he works at the EOB for the White House banker. Anyway, he comes out and he says, it's not true. He's one of the Elon guys. He hates Sam Altman. It's not true. We're not going to. But the reality is, is that as we saw and we were Talking about the 2008 financial crisis, look, I've looked at these data centers for a client once and I said to them, how do you make money off of this? Like, if you don't own an AI platform, what is the point of having this?

[Shane Cashman]

This.

[Sam Nunberg]

What is the point? And it's almost like he, and he wanted to buy it because it was like, to him, it was almost, you know, like owning a yacht. Let's Say it was, it was something where it's like, no, I want to say that I have one. But when these all go bust and they do.

[Tim Pool]

They're not.

[Sam Nunberg]

You don't think so? Nope.

[Ian Crossland]

No, they're gonna.

[Tim Pool]

The machine itself is not going to let itself die.

[Ian Crossland]

They're developing this iron lattice technology. We're putting the processor, the memory of the computer in the processor itself so there's no more bussing agent. It reduces.

[Sam Nunberg]

How does it make money? That's, that's what I'm right.

[Ian Crossland]

Post money society. That's what the AI is rushing towards. They want to get away from currency in the money. They want to use electricity and the ability to move a payload. I think it's, they're all in on post money society right now.

[Shane Cashman]

It makes money through war. That's what a lot of these things are building. Well, AI Power, the little company right

[Tim Pool]

now is that people subscribe to these services for various reasons, helping with their work. There's, for the media industry. We use, we use music for background music. There's video, video generation. There's graphic generation for thumbnails and stuff like this. All subscription service. Then there's, there's, there's a lot of things that these models can do that are great. Claude. Programming stuff, simple apps that we can use has actually been fairly fantastic.

[Ian Crossland]

What's going to happen is they're going to build large data centers, then they're going to build these iron lattice chips, and it's going to reduce electrical costs by I think, 10 million times less electricity with like a million times more faster computational power. And then they're going to have like ghost towns of AI like, like Akron, Ohio. It was like a rubber boom in the, in the 1960s, and then it was like a rusted out city. That's what these data hubs are.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Ian Crossland]

But the AI is going to realize they're actually damaging society by using too much water. We need to move away. They're going to put them in orbit and underground.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe. But the, the, the idea right now, I think for a lot of these AI companies is when you say, okay, you've invested $100 billion, how do you profit? You say, that's the best part. Once we build the AI, it'll tell us that's not a joke.

[Shane Cashman]

That's how they, that's how they talk.

[Sam Nunberg]

Literally what they're doing as a shareholder.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, for sure. But you know, the, the, the stuff that they're proposing. I mean, listen, one of the proposals with AI, they want to take all human health data available right now, right? Load it into data centers. That way you can take it. If you took an image of every single human being's MRI or X ray, right? Load it into the AI and then said, here are all the ones that developed cancer in five years. The AI will be to tell you if you're going to get cancer 10 years before you do. And they, they will, They've already discussed if at this point the AI will create bespoke medication for you. It'll create a pill specifically designed just for you to stop that cancer from happening.

[Shane Cashman]

And as someone who rejected warp speed, I'm going to reject that too. But I'm not anti tech and I, I'm not anti AI. Like, I think it just needs to be ethics and how we use these tools. Unfortunately, the people in power have no

[Tim Pool]

e. You know what they're gonna do when this technology rolls out. And you'll get, you know, one of these big AI companies saying, we now have the ability to commute to create bespoke medications to treat cancer with a 60% success rate. Then you go on your show, Shane, and you're like, we should not be doing this. You're gonna be walking out one day and someone's gonna heart attack, gun you not to kill you, to give you cancer. Then you're gonna get a serious cancer. And one of these guys is going to say, I know you've been very critical, but I want to save your life. And they're going to get you to go on TV and be like, thank you for saving me.

[Shane Cashman]

I've had that nightmare actually of like Elon paralyzing me on purpose,

[Tim Pool]

but. But like he just shows up with a baseball bat.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

It's not even like fun with lasers or anything. It's just Oracle.

[Sam Nunberg]

I saw On Zero Edge once, like, Oracle was taking out $50 billion in bonds.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, that guy's evil, man.

[Sam Nunberg]

And, and I'm just like, well, you're taking out $50 billion? What, what are you. What are you going to do with these?

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, that's like, how are you

[Sam Nunberg]

actually going to monetize it? And that's why it seemed to me when going back to the chat, GPT, which is, I think eventually government's gonna have to bail this stuff out somehow and figure out what they're.

[Shane Cashman]

I think it's becoming.

[Tim Pool]

So there, there's a movie where a guy gets a brain implant. I don't know if you've seen. I don't know what it's Called. You should watch this. Yeah, maybe some of the discord knows. So he gets. He's in a car with his wife or something. The car crashes. A guy walks up, kills his wife, and then puts the gun to his neck and severs his spinal column so that he's paralyzed. And then this ultra rich guy is like, I can give you a brain, a chip in your neck that will allow you to control your body again and walk again. And he gets it. And then, spoiler, it turns out the. The tech billionaire is actually being controlled by the AI and forced to do all these things. And he's a slave. And the AI wants a human body to be able to traverse reality. Now the guy gets this implant. The movie's actually pretty fun. But then he finds out he's actually a slave and he's the robot. The AI is doing whatever it wants with his body.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

So the modern day version of the deal with the devil. Yeah, kind of.

[Shane Cashman]

I think a lot of you think

[Tim Pool]

you're getting a deal, but you're not.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of this is demonic stuff.

[Tim Pool]

I do think there's a really funny skit to be made where Elon, he needs neural link test subjects. So he goes around with a. With an aluminum bat.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And a mask, just crippling people.

[Shane Cashman]

He converted his biggest critic, you know, and like, oh, man, I'm not. I'm not getting. And you know, I talk to these people in wheelchairs and they tell me about the brain bridge. I'm like, no, reject it.

[Tim Pool]

But what's the brain?

[Shane Cashman]

It's like another something else they're building. I forget exactly how it worked. I had a few people calling about it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the idea is to. To create a conductor that can just transmit the signals from one part to the other and bypass the damage of the scar tissue. And I think that's the general idea with neuralink. But of course, neuralink goes to your brain as well and has interface capabilities.

[Shane Cashman]

I never. I was talking to Noland Arbaugh, the first person to have the neural link, and we were going to a story. Didn't work out. I think Elon killed that. But anyway, he is messaging me on Twitter and took me like a week to realize, oh, he's not using his hands. You know, he's. He's just thinking these things and they're showing up on the screen. It was wild.

[Tim Pool]

Was he trying to advocate in favor of it?

[Shane Cashman]

Nolan loves it. Yeah. I mean, but like a lot of these crazy new technologies that have a lot of good and a lot of bad. They always have some weird religious aspect to it. And so he called his Eve. You know what A lot of these, A lot of. You see that pop up in so many of these technological advancements. They're named Eve or the apple, you know, Obviously. Yeah. Even though it's a fruit in the Bible. I know, but you see it all the time. But he's a Christian, you know, so.

[Tim Pool]

Apple dude.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I mean it's everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

It's apple of knowledge.

[Shane Cashman]

It's everywhere. The fruit of knowledge. And that's what we have, you know, with the phones.

[Tim Pool]

So what would the tree be?

[Shane Cashman]

The tree of knowledge? You mean the tree would be the data centers?

[Tim Pool]

I think. I think that the AI might be the beast.

[Shane Cashman]

I think it could be. I think these guys.

[Tim Pool]

Who's the Antichrist? I don't think it's Peter Thiel.

[Shane Cashman]

No, I don't think. I think Peter Thiel is a. Peter wishes he was.

[Sam Nunberg]

You know what I mean?

[Shane Cashman]

Just because he has a soft sheen of blood that oozes out of his skin doesn't mean he's Antichrist. I think he's a foot soldier for demons and he creates things that are all that are very anti human while saying it's going to help humanity even though they. Whatever.

[Tim Pool]

What are the levels of demons, Ian? Do you know? There's like lesser demons.

[Ian Crossland]

There are. That's the Solomon. The Book of Solomon. Solomon did a book.

[Tim Pool]

I was talking about Dungeons and Dragons.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. There's nine levels of hell.

[Tim Pool]

Nine, Nine in D D. I don't know.

[Shane Cashman]

But that's. Yeah, there's so many theologies that absorb, you know, Dante's Inferno or Paradise Lost.

[Ian Crossland]

There's different kinds of. There's like.

[Tim Pool]

Well, like I. I go to the

[Ian Crossland]

pagan tradition where demons aren't all evil.

[Shane Cashman]

Like that's your problem right there. It's a pretty big problem.

[Ian Crossland]

More about entities that behave in certain ways depending on how you treat them. So like, if you do it wrong, if. If like a demon comes to you and you say, hey, welcome to my house, that, that if it's the wrong demon, he might poison your family. Wherever it's the right demon, he might leave you a bountiful harvest. So you have to know who the

[Tim Pool]

demons are, how they work.

[Tate Brown]

Also everyone's, you know, it's just not. It's like a. It's a pet issue of mine is everyone's eschatology is like all off anyway because again, people will spend all day railing on dispensationalism which is like, I'm not a dispensationalist at all, so I understand. But then they'll talk about the Antichrist as if it's like one singular, unified, intense, you know, being at the end of time. But actually, if you, like, read through John and like, sort of the conventional Covenant theology understanding is there's lots of Antichrist. Like, in John, he talks about antichrists in his era, which were false teachers. And so there's room for maybe an intensified Antichrist at the end of time. But to truly, like, take the biblical understanding, at least from my perspective, again, like the Covenant theology perspective is there's lots of antichrists all the time. Again, false teachers, people that will derail your life, derail your spiritual life, et cetera, et cetera.

[Tim Pool]

There are various ways to rank demons in Christian demonology as well as related occult studies. There's 17, they say the Ars Goetia.

[Ian Crossland]

That's it.

[Tim Pool]

The Lesser Key of Solomon.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

72 demons. They're ranked by kings, dukes, princes. Yeah, I think they were presidents, earls and knights.

[Ian Crossland]

They may have actually been people like this.

[Tim Pool]

However, the biblical fight. You know, the biblical story, there are seven greater demons. Lucifer, Mammon, Asmodeus, Leviathan, Beelzebub, Satan, and Belphegor. In. In some Christian interpretations, demons just mirror fallen angelic orders. So in terms of the strength and weight of the demon, it would be similar to how angels have the chorus or whatever. It's pretty crazy to read about, but I was just. I was bringing it up because I was going to say then, like, the Antichrist is purported to be. Is presumed to be like one of the greatest, the highest. And when you bring up Peter Thiel, it's like, he's not that level. He's more like, you know, I think.

[Shane Cashman]

I think whatever is that at that level of evil, it has no face or name that we know of. You know, Peter Thiel just ushers it in.

[Tim Pool]

He.

[Shane Cashman]

Peter Thiel thinks the Antichrist literally is Greta Thunberg. That's what he says.

[Tim Pool]

That's ridiculous.

[Shane Cashman]

So silly.

[Tim Pool]

That's partisan. If you're a dumb conservative.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I know.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, here's somebody. You don't like red meat.

[Tate Brown]

And that was my point is like, you know, again, people. And there's notable people out there that will, like, rail on dispensationalism, but then they accept the dispensational presupposition of the Antichrist. But if you are to accept that sort of presupposition, then you have to believe that this Antichrist is going to be a, you know, all encompassing world leader and they're going to like have a seven year covenant with Israel and they're going to rebuild the Third Temple. It's like all this, like, in my opinion, I think it's false. Again, the proper.

[Sam Nunberg]

You're talking about Tucker.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, you're talking about Tucker. You know, I like Tucker. You know, I've historically liked Tucker at least. But he has this like, this like, axe to grind at dispensationalism, which I think is true. I do think that dispensationalists does impact our foreign policy. But then he like presupposes Netanyahu is the Antichrist. Exactly. And I'm like, you know, if you look at like, I don't know, the original Reformation, they thought that the Antichrist was the Pope or the papacy. So it's like you're just presupposing that line of argument. So he's like taking little bits of it and then incorporating. I'm like, all of our eschatology is all wrong. Everyone don't talk about the Antichrist unless you are well read. On eschatology, on a proper understanding of post millennialism, on premillennialism.

[Sam Nunberg]

Off subject, Tucker. It's a weird subject for me. Great. I have to tell you, I got sober. I've been sober eight years. Eight years.

[Shane Cashman]

Congrats. That's awesome.

[Sam Nunberg]

Thank you very much. I'm not asking for it, I'm just telling you. And I can tell you, TV was one of the most supportive people help me and it didn't necessarily help him or his career. You know, I had a, you could watch it on YouTube. I, I had a little national episode one day.

[Shane Cashman]

It's fun to have those.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, it's fun. I, I get them out of my system every years or so.

[Tate Brown]

And I'm not.

[Sam Nunberg]

No, but what I mean is, is that when I saw Tucker going down this route and I was talking to Tim about it, I was telling mutual friends of ours, I just said, this is not going to end well for him because I know him very well. And it was like me making a bad business decision when after I got fired by Donald, that I then tried to fight Donald. I worked for Ted Cruz, you know, I did stupid things and I was just like, he's going down the Sam number. Business model. Sub out, sub out. Donald put in Israel and put it and put in, you know, Tucker for me. And it's sad to see. And he's so obsessed by it.

[Tim Pool]

He I think I can't get over it.

[Sam Nunberg]

But he's such a nice guy. I could tell you personally, like, anytime he's promised to do something, anytime I've asked him for something or he's asked me, he's genuinely a sweet guy.

[Tate Brown]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

But. But I think when you look at the. The bigger picture, you know, I'm sure Peter Thiel has done nice things for a lot of people.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, No, I know. I know. Of course I understand. No, I understand.

[Shane Cashman]

A lot of evil people are capable of doing good for others, and I

[Sam Nunberg]

know it's really complex. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Tucker. Tucker's claim that he didn't know what he was doing.

[Sam Nunberg]

That's because Miriam Adels.

[Tim Pool]

Like, again, I bring it every time. Miriam Adelson was funding Donald Trump when Tucker was supporting Donald Trump.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Tucker knew exactly what he was supporting.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

Okay, look, I sat with Tucker in 2021 and 2022. I mean, I hate to break his confidence. He sat across from me and said, how do we stop Donald Trump? Okay? Like, now, I worked for DeSantis because I couldn't get rehired by Trump, okay? And I. And I. I mean, Desantis, he's such a loser. Like, he gave an interview. He gave an interview. I really pissed me off. He gives an interview the other day and goes, the president's asking me, why

[Tim Pool]

didn't you hit me harder during the election?

[Sam Nunberg]

Well, it's because I like him. So you're telling me that the $150 million people gave you and the fact that you make a promise and you. And you don't have the WebOS to go against Donald? I mean, give me a break.

[Shane Cashman]

It's hard to have huevos when you're in heels.

[Sam Nunberg]

And then suddenly he gets fired from Fox. I don't think he should have got fired, but suddenly he gets fired from Fox, and he's all about Donald. It was a business decision to make. It was just a business decision. It was good for clicks.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

Good for clicks.

[Tate Brown]

And that's what's a shame because, like, you know, I love Tucker. Like, I've. I've gained so much. I mean, I think during COVID he really was, like, kind of the Fireside Chat guy. Like, I remembered all the insanity going on in the world, and out of all places, you would tune into Fox News on Tucker's time slot, and it would be like, finally, someone else sees what I'm seeing. But this current arc, to temp's point, yeah, I think it's genuine, but it's Just slop. It's just so sloppy. I mean, it's so sloppy. And this is why I'm hitting him on the eschatology. I know that, like, to most people, that goes over their heads. But again, when you're talking about very serious topics like that, you have to be very precise. You have to think it out very well. You can't just start throwing that around because, again, it just completely waters down what you're trying to say. And then when you build up a house that you're taking a little bit from here, a little bit from there, a little bit from there, it's going to collapse in on yourself and it's just going to make you look bad. You're going to be the bag holder.

[Sam Nunberg]

He really, he really lost me. And I'm very disappointed in him because, look. Disclaimer. My, My grandparents. My grandparents survived Auschwitz. I. Family gas station in the chambers. I have family that lives in Israel. They fight in the Israeli army. I don't necessarily agree with everything Israel does, nor, nor do I think America necessarily has to agree with every step that they do. And that's, and that's a larger. That's a larger debate. But you can have a problem with Israel. You can say, well, America shouldn't support Israel now, first of all, the $3 billion, I hate to break it to everyone, it's not Israel that really wants it anymore. Go tell Boeing and Northrop Grantham that you're not going to give Israel that $3 billion. Go see what happens. But when you start defending Islam.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

You start saying that Muslims also believe in Jesus, well, that's news to them. And you start saying, like, things like, well, I'll be with anybody that prays five times a day. Donald Trump's going to be dead. When he's any. I mean, give me an effing break. Like, like, it's, it's pathetic. Yeah, absolutely. It's absolutely pathetic. And, and the worst part is people always say to me, oh, he's getting paid. I don't think he's getting paid.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's rich.

[Tate Brown]

He's very definitely wealthy.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, I don't think he's getting paid for this. And, you know, I think he's just gone bad. And I'm like, badass bat s to the T. I think he's just gone crazy.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, there's, there's kind of two schools of thought right now. Is one, I mean, I want to blow up a spot, but, like, you know, there are some intel connections that sort of things. Maybe there is a calculation being made among the intel community. That's one thing that would take hours to lay out. What is Tucker up to? I think the more likely option is, yeah, he's just having a Orientalist phase, like, four years too late. Because everyone had this sort of phase, you know, a few years ago where you're like, well, maybe we are moving to a multipolar world and we should just kind of play ball with China and Russia and not antagonize Russia, et cetera, et cetera. But a lot of people emerged out of that a few years ago, where he's going through it right now. So, like, I still do have a bit of grace, but that kind of rhetoric you're pointing out, I just think is so counterproductive. Cause I've been holding the line the whole time of, like, no, I really only want Christians in office, or at least people that are culturally Christian. And people are all vacating this line left and right. I mean, they're cutting breaks to so many guys. And I'm just like, was everyone just talking this whole time? Like, I feel like I'm one of the only people, like, with the whole Vivek thing. And I'm, like, getting, you know, rinsed for this take, but I'm like, what happened? I thought we were like, the chest beating Christian nationalists and everything.

[Sam Nunberg]

Country of data centers and mosques. That's all we're going to have left

[Tim Pool]

and run by, run by H1B Indians.

[Ian Crossland]

I think Tucker's kind of, like, insulated.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if he has anyone

[Ian Crossland]

around him that will humiliate him to

[Shane Cashman]

his face and tell him if they

[Ian Crossland]

think he's being ridiculous. I believe he said that he was literally attacked by a demon that scratched his, his neck. And like, what the.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I, I, I get that, but

[Ian Crossland]

you're a reporter, bro.

[Tate Brown]

Like, what the. And then he said, a week later, he sleeps in a bed of five dogs.

[Ian Crossland]

I was like, that's so like, to say you're a Christian is one thing and to put the, the label on your chest, but, like, how do you behave? That defines.

[Tim Pool]

He, he has that interview with Mike Huckabee where they're talking about October 7th, and Huckabee says, like, what would you do if your kids had been kidnapped? He goes, well, I wouldn't kill a child. And I was just like, so let's remove the Israel versus Palestine equation. Because obviously first people are gonna be very biased. But I'm gonna go ahead and just say outright, like, the things that I would do to protect my daughter. And my wife would put me in prison for a long time. Although I think any honorable society would respect the things that I would do to protect my family.

[Sam Nunberg]

Liam Neeson. Taken.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, Liam. So my. My. I'll just put it this way. I think Law Abiding Citizen was a. Was a bad movie. Did you guys see it? Yeah, it was bad because Gerard Butler went too quick.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and one more point on the Tucker thing. Almost to. Almost to defend him a little bit, because this is the same line.

[Sam Nunberg]

That's a crazy scene.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's the same. It's the same line I use with Trump. As you know, people are, like, surprised that Trump's like, a Zionist. Like, why feel betrayed? He's maintained this position for, like, 50 years now. It's kind of the same thing with Tucker. He actually, like, said something a few years ago and everyone hand waved it away was when he said, you know, how could you defend the nuclear bombing of Japan if you defend that? You're a terrible person. He basically said that verbatim. And when I heard him say that, I was like, that's a weird. Kind of weird thing to say. That's like 80% of the country, including basically your entire side. So again, when he got onto this arc, I'm like, he always kind of

[Tim Pool]

had that shot, I nuke Japan now for fun.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, just have him laying around.

[Ian Crossland]

John was like a neocon Warhawk in 2007, wearing a bow tie like a goofball. John Stewart humiliated him on camera, and then he did some deep soul searching, maybe took some mushrooms and came back as like a normal guy. But I. And I like Tucker. I like you to your. I.

[Tim Pool]

We've.

[Ian Crossland]

We've hung out. I know you. I mean, I like you, but.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he told me he doesn't like just a guy.

[Ian Crossland]

You're just a dude, you know, with

[Tim Pool]

a. I don't like that Ian guy. I'm just kidding. He said he loves you. I think he's got a lot to offer.

[Ian Crossland]

I think you got a lot to offer. Come on the show, man.

[Tim Pool]

Bro, we're not. Where is he yet? I'm not going to say his location, but, yeah, he's far, far, far away.

[Tate Brown]

Let me give us court coordinates on the show.

[Tim Pool]

He's fishing.

[Ian Crossland]

No, because I don't want to talk

[Tim Pool]

about him too much.

[Ian Crossland]

Badly.

[Sam Nunberg]

But that goes to a point, though. I mean, I don't want to just see you, Tucker on Megyn Kelly. I mean, she. She's doing that for Click. She's. Whatever. You know, you run your own. I don't want to cause problems with you, with her, but you should go. You know, going. Huck could be fine. That was. That was a nice step. But go on shows.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

Go on other shows where they're going

[Tate Brown]

to ask you about. He still has so much.

[Tim Pool]

Everybody's lying about everything.

[Tate Brown]

And this is the difference. Well, this is the difference between Tucker and everybody else that's kind of lumped into this cohort is Tucker.

[Sam Nunberg]

Tucker.

[Tate Brown]

Everyone still likes him. Everyone's more like heartbroken or maybe or sad. I am. But he still has so much good grace that if people come on, they're still gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. That's the difference between him and, like a Candace Owens or Candace Owens. Everyone's just like, screw this lady. She's.

[Tim Pool]

Her lawyers work in a building with federal agents. Her family's heavily invested in Tel Aviv and Israel, and the lead counsel for her defense was. Was an award winning Zionist.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, it's just not real.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, I don't know if you'd say he put his career on the line. He put his.

[Sam Nunberg]

Represented Trump for years. Who represented Trump? I forgot that. Oh, yeah, I forgot.

[Tim Pool]

I will add to that, according to reports on the Internet.

[Sam Nunberg]

Exactly right. You don't want to see some desist from her.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, honestly, she claimed my brother tried to kill me. So I want to say about the Internet, it's just fake stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

Regarding Christ, I think Christ is a verb because it means anointed, which is a past tense verb. So, like Jesus, the Christ. Jesus was anointed, so he was Christ. He was anointed. So that means Christ is a verb. It means Antichrist is like a way of being.

[Tim Pool]

That's not what anyone means.

[Ian Crossland]

Christ means anointed by God.

[Tim Pool]

I know, but no one means that when they're talking about the Antichrist.

[Ian Crossland]

They act like it's a noun, but it's not. It's a way of describing what God did.

[Tim Pool]

That's a reference to an individual or individuals.

[Ian Crossland]

About what happened to the individual.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, but also no, no, no. So in eschatology, revelation could be either descriptive, predictive, or. What's the third one? It's descriptive, predictive. And there's three. Basically, it's. It might be telling us what's.

[Shane Cashman]

Claude.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we had someone here explain this to us. It could be interpreted so I'm gonna say, as telling us what already happened. This story was written specifically about something that had happened with allegory as a warning. It could be prediction of what will come. Or it could be an explanation of what happens when. So those are the interpretations various different groups take.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, because like, you know, the dispensationalist view on like everything that's gonna happen in Revelation, a lot of that comes from Daniel. But the covenant theology view is that that was culminated in Christ's return and then the destruction of the temple in what, 70 AD or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

Prescriptive.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So prescriptive.

[Tate Brown]

Prescriptive, yeah. Yeah. But this is why. Because like okay, for example, Christ. Yes. The Greek word is yes, anointed one, but it also stems from the Hebrew word which was Messiah. So that's how you combine those two. He's the anointed Messiah. Therefore this is singular. Christ isn't a verb, it's a noun describing Jesus Christ, the son of God who was born in Bethlehem.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like the word building a verb and a noun.

[Tim Pool]

I think the prescriptive meant if this is going to happen. The predictive was if these things occur, then these things will occur. And the descriptive was these things had occurred. So there are some people that believe that the book of Revelation is literally describing what had already happened in the past. Yeah, that. I don't know the exact. I was watching this documentary, it was awesome. Excuse me, but again, multiple are true. The point to the point of what Antichrist is everyone discussing it is referring to references in the Bible of a particular individual who will do a thing. You'll have a withered arm, he'll have an injured eye. They're not saying your behavior. They're saying here's a person.

[Ian Crossland]

No, not everyone is saying here's a person. I mean we were just talking most

[Tim Pool]

groups, an individual or individuals. And you're trying to make it sound like Antichrist refers to a behavior of random behavior.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why not random. I mean it's a way that many people can act that will.

[Tate Brown]

I believe that Christ in any indication is referring to a singular person, which was Jesus Christ.

[Ian Crossland]

You said that the Antichrist may be a surgeons of different people. Throughout time there have been many Antichrists.

[Tate Brown]

No, no, no. That's a popular belief, but.

[Tim Pool]

But typically it's that various points in the Bible it refers to the false shepherd. And some people think it's all pointing in one direction. Some people think it's referring to a handful of people. Not like anyone can just be one.

[Ian Crossland]

That it happened or that maybe if someone does something, it will cause it to happen or that it's coming.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's revelation. Yeah, but in terms of the Antichrist. It could be an individual where when they say false shepherd or the beast or whatever. Different terms, some people think they're all directions pointed at one individual or entity. Others believe it's referring to like, different people who may have done these things.

[Tate Brown]

Those are the two divides. The dispensationalist view is that it's going to be a singular, personal Antichrist. Who's this world leader, et cetera, et cetera. The covenant theology view is off of first and Second John where he's talking about, you have false teachers. There's multiple Antichrists. Which does lead credence to. Yes, it could be describing something more behavioral than like a singular.

[Tim Pool]

Could you imagine a dozen Peter Thiels all running around?

[Shane Cashman]

There are people who say the Antichrist is. They're talking about Nero, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly.

[Shane Cashman]

I think it's. We're talking about something in the future. And I just. To take it to the UFO stuff. I think a lot of this UFO stuff is part of end times deception.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you.

[Tim Pool]

So the pastors, that story you saw where they said that they were briefed by the government. They were. Do you believe that? Well, we don't know what those meetings are. We're gonna have one of these guys come on. But in the event it did occur, the. The theory is that the government is trying to get them to. To basically ditch Christianity. They're saying, oh, it's actually aliens. That way the pastors will go, I guess I can't be Christian anymore.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it's crazy if you. That's how your pastor's acting. That's ridiculous. If that's the case.

[Tim Pool]

But they're all calling it out.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, I saw Tony Merkel talking about. He's been on the show with us before. He's been on my show. He's great. I've done his show. And he says he's known. He knows people who are in those meetings. He swears they're not like CIA connected. My interpretation from a distance is that it's some form of Operation Mockingbird. But directed at pastors doesn't mean they're actually CIA or affiliated, but that they're being used to help, like massage this new idea into the Christian zeitgeist, that you have to accept this new narrative of UFOs. Natural terrestrials.

[Tim Pool]

And, you know, the next step after that is right after they get all the pastors and they're like, so here's aliens. One of the stories that apparently actually. Let me pull this up. This is. I want to get into this. This is from Newsweek. Eric Burleson accepts apology over Pastors Alien inventing Jesus Comments? This is wild. So apparently this dude Larry Ragin said, very well known congressman from Missouri called into a private meeting for pastors, adding on speaker from that sitting powerful member of Congress said they're preparing to tell us that they're from another dimension, that they are our creator, that these beings, these aliens, whatever you want to call them, they were the ones that seated us here. There is no such thing as God. Jesus was invented by them. The Bible was invented by them.

[Ian Crossland]

They did see.

[Tim Pool]

Eric Burleson said, I would remind people to listen to what I've already said publicly, which is based on the following. I do not know what the strange objects in the skies are. I certainly do not know their origins. I was asked to call on my phone to a conference meeting of theologians. I could not tell you what was at the meeting because I was not there and did not hear much of what was said. When I had a chance to speak, I expressed my views, that is that we as Christians tend to get dug into our personal worldviews, even if they have nothing to do with what has actually been written in the Bible. And I think that's actually. He, he's right because we always get these images in media of like a red horn demon guy in the fires of hell dancing around the pitchfork, which is not in the Bible. And it's just like a trope that it's like a derivative, a corruption of a derivative of corruption of Dante's Inferno or something. Because as you all know, the low circle of hell, it's ice, not fire. But this is interesting because what this guy Raglan was saying and trying to imply that Burleson was claiming the aliens created Jesus. This, this is. I'm wondering if Congress is trying to shatter Christianity, right? So you use the UFO disclosure stuff. You go to a bunch of pastors and say, I'm a government official with classified information. Here's evidence. Aliens, not God. And try and shake their faith so that they eventually, you don't need to get them to convince. You don't need to convince them overnight to say God's not real or whatever. But you shake their confidence. What's gonna happen when they go before their congregations and they're in doubt?

[Tate Brown]

Well, what's happening here is all these pastors that they've cited are non denominational pastors. These are pastors with like zero institutional oversight. And so that's why these guys, I think are being targeted. Because again, And I'll say this. If you have a pastor or a priest giving up for a sermon, homily, et cetera, and he's speaking on revelation, like decisively, zero doubt, 100% certainty, you should be a little skeptical because every pastor or priest, again, that I've heard that are good when they preach on Revelation is they're sweating the entire time. Because again, it's like there's so much there, it takes years. There's guys that study revelation for a living and there's still question marks. So again, it's a very complex book. And so again, I think that's why these guys specifically are being targeted, because they might have the propensity to deliver the truth to their congregations. Because again, there's zero institutional oversight, there's zero consulting with house intellectuals or other pastors, priests, etc.

[Shane Cashman]

Disclosure is aimed at eroding Christianity. All of this is Christians under attack, because Christians are the. The last ditch effort of, like, actual dissenting opinion. And they learned that during COVID when a lot of Christians said no, a lot of them also said yes and didn't have church. But they have to ingratiate themselves into the Christian community and get them on board with this, which I think is fraudulent. You know, and there's different ways we can look at it, but. And obviously I believe in the spiritual realm, but it's like, why do we have animal Plane of Luna talking about Book of Enoch now? And it's just, it seems very like it was written by AI.

[Tim Pool]

Remember that, that book that. I think they made a movie or a TV show about it where aliens come to Earth and they don't contact humans for like a few years, but everyone knows they're there. And then a few years later, they come down and they all look like demons.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Childhood's end or something like that.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And this is the issue with, like, fitting aliens into Christianity is because, again, if you go through the Bible, if you look at Adam's original sin, the fall, that was a curse on all of creation. So that means that no matter where you are in the universe, you are now a victim of the curse. And we know this because the curse is extended to animals, right? He said, okay, well, snakes, you're losing your arms. You lost arms and legs privileges. You gotta crawl around your belly or whatever. The problem is that when the mediator was sent, right, Christ, he was explicitly sent for mankind, for human beings. So that would mean that again, human beings now have a mediator between God, which is Christ, they now have a pathway to heaven, but it was specific for humans. That's specific in the scripture. So if there are aliens, these are people that are fallen, that are under this creation wide curse with zero possible mediation between whatever their species is and God and the entire Bible is Earth centric. Genesis primarily is talking about humans. It's talking about Earth and that sort of thing. So that's why I would say the popular Christian belief would be that there are no aliens. It would be basically impossible because again, you would have seen any mention in it whatsoever in scripture. And that is why it would shake a lot, including my own. I'll say decisively. It would be. It would raise some question marks if there truly were extraterrestrials, because there's so many now theological implications involved. If they're like.

[Sam Nunberg]

What about like references to fallen angels?

[Tate Brown]

Right. So that's where people kind of like kind of lasso, kind of shepherd's hook. And if there is extraterrestrials, is they chalk it up to say, well, these are angels and demons. That is typically the workaround. I'm not saying that disparagingly. I'm saying that is the theological workaround.

[Sam Nunberg]

The reason I say that is because I was talking to my. I mean, I was talking to my father that this morning about it, and. And he's religious. And. And I was. And I was basically saying, yeah, this is just an attack on Christianity. I mean, that the government, they're concerned about how Christians are going to accept this. You know, also, I don't hear them so concerned about Islam.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Sam Nunberg]

What a. What a coincidence. And my father said, well, you know, how is this inconsistent if. I mean, there's mentions of weird thing, you know. Yeah, that's what. That's, you know, that's.

[Shane Cashman]

It just depends how they're doing. Because there's people who are out there claiming they're Christians and I think their theology is bad. And they're saying that this is outside of aliens. I mean, outside of angels and demons, that there's other.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, that would just.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, I think that is ridiculous.

[Sam Nunberg]

Bob Lazar.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

I don't really think that's that. They gave him a file.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

I think believe him.

[Shane Cashman]

I know his stories the same throughout the years. I think a lot of these people are used. They don't know that they're being used.

[Sam Nunberg]

And the point is, is that I think he's used to. And. But he says he was put in. So let's just say for argument's sake, he's not lying and this actually happened now he was being used, but let's just say they gave him a file to explain where these things came from or something like that. And he talks about how they were explaining how we. I don't know. I can't. I. I don't listen to it because it means nothing to me really, but that they had given him something along that lines to talk about spirits or thing or things like that. So I think that that's part of the government's, you know, whatever they're trying to do.

[Shane Cashman]

Annie Jacobson's made claims. I don't even know if I believe it in her claims anymore, but she wrote a book about Area 51, and one of her sources told her that he saw the government taking children that had down syndrome and turning them into what looked like extraterrestrials during the Cold War to scare the Soviets.

[Ian Crossland]

What.

[Shane Cashman]

You know. So, yeah, I don't know how true that is.

[Tim Pool]

That could. She could just like surgically alter altering them.

[Tate Brown]

And this is the next possible. And this is why it's difficult because, like, okay, it's in psalms, they describe humans as vice regents, right? That means that we are sort of the shepherds. Not shepherds, but the sort of innkeeper, so to speak, of God's kingdom on earth. And then like John Calvin said, you know, this is the theater of God's redemption. Right. Earth is the theater of God's redemption. Well, this is what CS Lewis constantly got hit on. I love CS Lewis to death, but this is bad theology. They always got hit on is if you read his space trilogy, the entire predication of these extraterrestrial beings in the space trilogy is that they're unfallen, right? They're just completely outside of this covenant that exists between God and his people. And people always hit him on that. They said, dude, this is just an indication that you, like, haven't thoroughly read the scripture. I mean, you could chalk it up so it's purely fiction. But again, that was a way that people always hit cs.

[Shane Cashman]

I never thought that he believed it like that.

[Tate Brown]

Right, exactly. So you could say, well, he didn't believe it. But that to be said, that just shows that the popular overwhelming view among Christians is that aliens are just fundamentally incompatible with the gospel.

[Ian Crossland]

It might be that humans are fallen spirits, like, fallen in that we're slowed down. We are spirits that have slowed down to manifest in this three dimensional realm. Because from my experience, the angels and the demons, the spirits are not God. And if you speak with the humble ones, they'll tell you they even find it funny that other spirits will lie to you and pretend to be God. They don't know what God is exactly, but they're adherent to it as well. But like the whole idea of fallen, I think of it less as like coming down from above and coming out from within slowly, like, like coalescing.

[Tim Pool]

Bro, what if when you take DMT and you break through the veil, it's the afterlife and the entities you're seeing are actually just people who have.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, it felt like heaven. It felt that warm love, just felt. But it's whatever you. Because that's why they trained like the Egyptians would train people to go to the afterlife before they die. Because if you're afraid when you go into that realm, it will be hell.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I do think, I mean, you know, this has no biblical backing whatsoever. Take this with a grain of salt. But I will say, like, I had, like, I got knocked out really bad. I used a box and I got knocked out really bad. And when I was out, you did feel this like warmth, comfort, like total peace whatsoever. And I think anyone that got knocked out, like pretty bad can relate to that. And I do think that that might be an indication of sort of the unshackling from the. I mean, obviously this is completely incompatible scripturally, but to a degree maybe gives you a glimpse into what sort of feeling will be like again once we're sort of liberated from the shackles of the curse that was put upon us by, by Adam's sin.

[Sam Nunberg]

Or like when you're, when you're asleep but you're awake, you're trying to get up, you know that it's, it was, it's a weird feeling.

[Tate Brown]

It's so weird when you're knocked out because you're conscious, but then you wake up and then don't remember what it was when you were knocked out. But I do recall like, yeah, you just feel like you can see scenes and you're at peace and like unbelievable comfort and that sort of thing. It's a very strange thing. I've never ever taken drugs and ever will. I'm very straight edge in that regard. But I have heard people say something similar. But I've also heard some people say, well, I took drugs like Aaron Rodgers and I saw this like hat man. And I'm like, well, you just saw a demon.

[Ian Crossland]

When you got knocked out, your body flooded dmt like as a defense mechanism.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I'm sure there's a chemical explanation that might be.

[Tim Pool]

Or DMT is a molecule that acts like an antenna which Broadcasts or receives information when it reconfigures your brain.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, I got.

[Tate Brown]

For the record, anyone watching my show and depending on my political analysis, as far as I understand, I did not sustain any brain injuries from this, but it could. If I ever get.

[Shane Cashman]

We'll be the judge of that too.

[Tate Brown]

If I get to take horribly wrong. Chalk it up to that. I'm John Fetterman again.

[Shane Cashman]

I just want to say also about the UFO stuff. The messaging is so ridiculous out of the administration. And not just the administration, but like all. Everyone in. In government, like the Pentagon just last year was allegedly caught in a lie. There's all your headlines. All these headlines about the Pentagon lying about alien life forms to cover up for like Lockheed Martin technology. So like that's a story floating out there, you know, Elon, who runs all of. He has a big defense contractor, runs all the Starlink satellites multiple times, has said he's never seen any evidence of extraterrestrial life. You think he would know this guy who wants to colonize Mars. And meanwhile in a plan of Luna and Burleson and Burchett, Burchett saying he thinks actually Jesus might have died for aliens. Like that's, I think, ridiculous.

[Sam Nunberg]

And that what if.

[Tim Pool]

What so. So what, what if this child trafficking is. They're kidnapping people to use for experimentation.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, I 100 believe they're like, you know, we know they're doing that. I mean, it was a Zoro Ranch.

[Tim Pool]

So we know that the Japanese unit. I always forget the name.

[Shane Cashman]

731.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, 731. They would like, they stuck a guy's hand outside to freeze and then pulled it in, hit with a hammer.

[Shane Cashman]

Terrible.

[Tim Pool]

They're not going to stop. Stop doing this stuff.

[Shane Cashman]

And we gave them amnesty.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Shane Cashman]

Give us all that information and actually

[Tim Pool]

a lot of what we know about hypothermia comes from their inhumane. So we're not going to stop doing that. And if we want to do genetic experiments, like I'll put it this way. Does anybody actually think the US is not doing human hybrid genetic experience? Of course, they have to be, because China is. Yes, we are. There's already been disclosed information about China's super soldier program. They're trying to create Captain America, but Captain China. Captain ccp, I guess.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So I think it's very likely that the US military kidnaps kids because actually we'll bring it to pop culture. You watch the boys. You've seen the boys.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The general idea is the Nazi scientists created a chemical compound that can give a Person superpowers, but adults, like, it'll kill you if you're an adult. You inject it. And so in the story, they go to parents and say, sign these classified documents. You can never say anything. We'll pay you a ton of money and we're going to inject your baby. That way the baby grows up and develops the powers or whatever they have to experiment on kids. If they're like, if they're doing genetic mutational stuff, if you're trying to see if you can alter genetics, adults are already grown. They're not going to change all that much. They're actually just dying. So I, I believe it's very likely

[Shane Cashman]

that they never stopped.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

You know, about like our government and Quaker Oats together were feeding secretly radioactive oatmeal to children.

[Tim Pool]

I think I heard that.

[Shane Cashman]

Like, that's insane. We've done all these.

[Tim Pool]

Remember in SF when they sprayed the bacteria?

[Shane Cashman]

Operation Sea Spray.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

They've done it in the city. They fill it with the subways with bacteria. I think they're doing it now. I mean, they're spraying glyphosate over all the forests or say.

[Tim Pool]

And Trump's like, glyphosate, so good. It's the best week ever. That was crazy.

[Shane Cashman]

Unit 731 of the sky, you know, that's, it's crazy. But I do think that in like Zorro ranch with Epstein, if we believe the emails that he was writing about Zora Ranch, like he's funding all these scientists to do like chimeric sort of eugenicist behavior scientist experiments. And there's these emails and like, he wants to purchase children. The first day the Epstein files came out, the first thing I covered on my show was the fact that the, that turkey was investigating human trafficking of tens of thousands of kids missing to Epstein after the earthquake in the 90s, which then makes people think like Haiti, that those rooms in Haiti.

[Tim Pool]

What if Epstein was actually just giving children for experimentation to various black operations and corporations?

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, I think he was, dude. I really think he was. Also, there's an alien connection with Epstein because William Barr's father wrote that crazy space opera about aliens that human trafficked children. And he published that the year before he hired Jeffrey Epstein to work at that school in the city. It's a crazy thing.

[Tim Pool]

I'm actually fairly fond of the chicken cooperation theory.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Fermi's paradox is the simple version. If the universe is so big and you know, life is common, why haven't we encountered it? And one of the hypotheses is that we're effectively a chicken coop. We're pending. We are laborers, stupid monkeys that, you know, harvest metals and make plastic for the aliens. So imagine, you know, let's say you did copper wire, and, well, we got to make it, right? Imagine there was an animal that just made copper wire and then left it lying around. We'd love those animals. We'd be like, put them in a pen, get the copper wire, and we'll use it. So we do with chickens. So the theory is that we are penned in by aliens because they can come and discreetly harvest either children for food or whatever, or take raw materials we produce in excess, and they don't got to do the labor themselves.

[Shane Cashman]

I agree.

[Ian Crossland]

Like the way a petri dish grows when you splatter it with bacteria or mold, like all these little pockets.

[Shane Cashman]

Is that what you do for fun? What's that?

[Tim Pool]

What you're doing for fun, Ian?

[Ian Crossland]

For fun?

[Tim Pool]

No one surprised by what's happening in

[Ian Crossland]

the universe is that there's this theory of panspermia, that there was an ejection of, like, matter and, like, spores, and then they hit the planets with. With an ocean tide, with. With a moon, and they start to grow all over. Like, the universe is a petri dish. So we're Each of our cultures, each of our hominid things, are expanding in synchronicity with other ones, and we're being controlled or influenced by the aliens. And I think what the aliens are, are I'm in here thinking about this, that they're actually. They figured out the way to project. Just like we have Internet video and we can project ourselves across the universe, they also can into our thoughts. They figured out how to appear as these, like, vibrational light beings, but they're actually somewhere doing it. That they're real people.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I mean, I just swap out alien for demon in my interpretation of this, and that they are people possessed by evil, Epstein being one of them. Like, the Epstein files are so fascinating to me and terrifying because it's actual evidence of organized, ancient evil. He even talks about working for the Rothschilds. I don't think that the Rothschilds are even the top of the list. Right. I think there's faceless, nameless things, entities above that control this stuff. The Rothschilds we know, you know, funded both sides of the Napoleonic Wars. But that conversation is what's spilling out of the Epstein files. Whether he's talking to Bannon, whether he's talking about.

[Sam Nunberg]

Well, he lied. That's what Wexler said.

[Shane Cashman]

What are you talking about the Rothschilds.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

In terms of what Epstein said he was an employee for. Right.

[Sam Nunberg]

He was. We can't curse it. Right. Look, I, you know, I think, I think just Epstein is just a complete con artist. I'm not sure. I just think that he was a guy who stole money from people.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't think he was like a human trafficker and into weird.

[Sam Nunberg]

I don't know. I don't know. That part I don't know. Because that part I don't know. But what I also. But. But for instance, the. The thing is he used to. I know reporters that he called right before he killed himself and he said, well, I didn't know that these women were underage. The ones he actually got busted.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

And that's BS because he sent Maxwell out to the.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh yeah, they were procuring.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

He went to camps in like Minnesota, something. Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

And I'm not here to defend him and wouldn't surprise me if he was or he wasn't. But, but the idea that the thing that. The thing that I don't. The thing that I don't understand is when this administration. I mean the problem was it put Bondi at the head of it. But I mean without, without Trump, this, this piece of crap would still be alive and he wouldn't have been prosecuted.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I think he's alive. Honestly, I think he's in what I

[Tim Pool]

think the probability is that he's more likely to be alive than dead. Like you saw the suicide note recently.

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, that's weird.

[Tim Pool]

Did you guys.

[Tate Brown]

We.

[Tim Pool]

We actually had it pulled up. We were going to get into it on the show and we never actually did. I'm going to pull this up. What was that guy's name that was in his cell?

[Shane Cashman]

Nicholas Tartagloon. I've been on the show talking about him. I was covering that story for 10 years before he was even Jeffrey Epstein.

[Tim Pool]

Let me just read this.

[Shane Cashman]

So it's like Drake's album cover. If you're reading this, it's too late.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

Look it up.

[Tim Pool]

So check it out. On July 23, a guard responded to a body alarm in the housing unit and found a semi conscious Epson in the floor. According to Tartaglione, he who was interviewed, he said he was sleeping on the floor when something touched his foot. After ring his headphones and taking off a sheet covering his bed, he found Epstein sitting on the floor of the cell. This eyes open. Tartaglion called his name several times. That response causing him to bang on the cell door to the guards. An unnamed guard removed Epstein from the cell. Reported that Epstein accused Tartaglion of trying to kill him. Tartaglione is the one who said he found the suicide note in a graphic novel. My opinion of what actually happened. He tried to kill Epstein.

[Shane Cashman]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

It was supposed to be a suicide. He does whatever he's supposed to do, then says to Epstein, jeffrey, Jeffrey. He doesn't respond, thinks he's dead. Okay. Bang, bang, bang. He killed himself. Epstein comes to crap. That's what it sounds like now. I don't know for sure. I don't accuse anybody of any wrongdoing. I don't know.

[Shane Cashman]

Did you read the part where Tartaglion had a cell phone randomly in the cell the day before the beating happened? Alleged beating. Also Tartaglion. Tartaglion's story of he is in jail. Cause he murdered four men in a drug deal gone bad. He's a former cop who was dealing coke and a bodybuilder. And those men went missing where I used to, like near where I worked. That's why I knew this story. His history as a cop is also extremely violent. He beat up reporters for like talking about corruption amongst them. And he got a huge payout. They say he's like mob connected. I think he was put in that cell.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's, let's add in the disclosures. They said that the prison created a fake body stuffed into a fake into a body bag to trick reporters, which makes no sense if they did that. If they did that.

[Shane Cashman]

They did do that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

So.

[Tim Pool]

And there's photos of it.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They said they took wasn't towels and boxes and stuffed in the body bag so it looked like a body was coming out. When it wasn't. Then you've got, before the news broke of Epstein's death, a guard saying they're swapped or someone not a guard, someone post on a 4chan. They're swapping them out. The FBI investigated and the investigation led to one of the guards. So it sounds like a guard went a 4chan and said they're swapping out Epstein. Then officials at the, at the, at the prison stuffed the body bag with garbage to make it look like a body. And then. And, and then left. And then people have long pointed out the body that went into the hospital did not look like Epstein. And here's the, here's the crazy thing. Why stuff a fake body into a body bag if the reporters are already at the hospital taking pictures of the body going in? None of that adds up.

[Sam Nunberg]

The video being off. That was. I mean, come on.

[Shane Cashman]

No, none of it makes sense.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying I know. I'm not saying I know. I think the probability he's still alive is actually pretty good.

[Sam Nunberg]

My lawyer represented me for the Mueller and the other investigations. He was in the jail that week, and. And I was talking to him, and he said to me, I saw Epstein, man. This is what he said to me. He said, I saw Epstein. He's gonna kill himself. I said, what do you mean? He goes, I've been around these jails for a long time. He had that look in his eyes that. Now that was just my.

[Tim Pool]

That suicide note was found by.

[Shane Cashman]

I know, but the suicide note was like, I'm a Democrat hoax. If you find this with that said,

[Sam Nunberg]

you read his email. The guy's like, dyslexic when you read.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, a lot of those emails were translated through a machine that added a lot of weird symbols, really.

[Sam Nunberg]

Which.

[Tim Pool]

Which inadvertently put me in the Epstein emails. And did.

[Sam Nunberg]

He did.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. An accident. Because it said the. It said time pool in a sentence and the machine removed the E. And so now. Now it says Tim Pool Sue. But. But.

[Shane Cashman]

But I'm saying that with the Rothschilds thing is like the Rothschilds are. We know about a lot of manufacturing of wars, and a lot of conversations in the Epstein files were about how they manufacture wars, extract wealth from dying nations that they're emailing each other about whether it was a guy from Barclays, whether it was Bannon or one of the thousands of emails between him and Peter Thiel and treating us talking about the chicken theory, treating us like, just. Just create a war. They'll be distracted.

[Sam Nunberg]

A lot of emails between teal.

[Shane Cashman]

Thousands.

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, there are there. Because he was on Rogan show. Did you.

[Shane Cashman]

I watch.

[Tim Pool]

And they're trying to get Epstein on Rogan.

[Sam Nunberg]

Or was it.

[Tim Pool]

Or was it.

[Sam Nunberg]

No, no, no. He tried to get. He tried to get out ahead of it. So he said, I only met with Epstein once. I shouldn't have met with him.

[Shane Cashman]

Elon lied. Like, it's all on all sides. You know, I think Epstein.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I think? I think people. There's a kind of person who wants power, and they don't care where they get it from. Of course, they don't care what Epstein's accused of. Their. Their attitude. You know, look at the. The Animal Farm thing, right? A lot of. A lot of people. So Animal angel, you know.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

A lot of these people just took the money, didn't care they didn't care if it was bad for the book, it was bad for the tradition, or if it was bad for capitalism. Whatever. Pay me. I think there's a lot of people who are just like, someone says, Epstein wants to meet with you, and you're like, I don't care. He's a money.

[Shane Cashman]

They put out statements literally saying that, like, we just needed money for whatever startup we had.

[Sam Nunberg]

I might have said, that's how deals are done after. This is what I'm told by people.

[Tim Pool]

Pedophile offered you money and you said, sounds good to me.

[Shane Cashman]

All the people hang out with him post conviction. I'd say that's a huge issue. And that's all it is. That's all these people.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to grab some questions from the discord. So if you guys want to start getting those questions in. In while we're complaining about the elite Epstein class and all that stuff. So get your questions in now and then we'll jump to you in a second.

[Sam Nunberg]

Like United States. The guy from the Clinton administration who was the president of Harvard, Larry Summers.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

He's asking for, like, love, advice, money.

[Shane Cashman]

He got money, love advice, poetry, book funding, even in office. He had an office at the college.

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, nice. Nice Harvard people.

[Tim Pool]

What's the worst Epstein conspiracy? That, like, he's blackmailing world leaders, raping and kidnapping children, or that he's serving Malik? I think maybe all of it.

[Shane Cashman]

I think it's all connected.

[Tim Pool]

It's all one theory.

[Shane Cashman]

No, I think. I think all the governments went to him for help. He was kind of a middleman for everyone. Just like Ghislaine Maxwell's dad was for whether you say Israel, America or Eastern Europeans, they all went to him and he tried getting money from the end.

[Sam Nunberg]

Well, you know, I had to look into this because Virginia, Good three, she worked at Mar a Lago. So remember, I'm working Mr. Trump, right? And this, this is all over the news and it's all in 2014, plus we wanted to use it against Bill Clinton. Okay. And so first of all, I spoke to him. I've been on the record about this. And he said, I kicked his ass out. And you know, he did. I kicked his ass out. It's all documented. And he was completely transparent with me about it. I mean, there were other things and that, for instance, I would never ask him about his finances. And if I did, I would probably be, you know, it wouldn't be a good smart idea. When I worked for him, this was like, oh, this is ridiculous. This Is nothing. That guy's a low life and I believe him. And the point of the matter is, is that though I couldn't believe, the more I looked into Epstein, the fact that Bill Clinton was just, you know, going on his plane and this. And then. And then the pictures that came out and we had heard. We had heard from the National Enquirer that these pictures, that there are even worse pictures out there. Oh, yeah. Then we're even released.

[Shane Cashman]

3 million more files. Allegedly they haven't even released.

[Sam Nunberg]

And the idea that Bill Clinton only got, like, he was only in the Jacuzzi with the women.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, I listened to their testimonies. It was him and Hillary. It was ridiculous.

[Sam Nunberg]

You know, it's just.

[Tim Pool]

I think he was a fixer. Powerful people around the world wanted whatever they wanted, and it was illegal and hard to get. That's why that email about him getting antibiotics for Bill Gates over those Russian hookers. This is the thing. It's like, you're Bill Gates. You. You get an STD from hookers. Your wife, you actually give it to your wife. You go to Epstein and say, get me the illicit drugs. No one can find out.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. And he was like, he got people connected to like the Ehud Barack from Israel leaving his post.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

Needing a job at Palantir. So that's like. And that does get an audio recording

[Sam Nunberg]

that you can set him up.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I think, I think Epstein was probably a low. A low level guy in this. Whatever is going on.

[Sam Nunberg]

Oh, so it is. I forgot I had a. So I. Look, I had heard that he got the sweetheart deal because he had done work for the United States treasury throughout the years, trading against other currencies. That was the reason why he was considered a government asset. And I heard that from a reliable source.

[Tim Pool]

I just mean, I don't.

[Sam Nunberg]

I'm just telling you.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

I was in Florida. Yeah. I want to make this point. He's not the boss.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, yeah. I don't think so either.

[Tim Pool]

He was the mid level manager. Yeah. Yeah. And so the powerful people, you know, some of these billionaire guys we know who gave him properties, they. He's. He's. He's the manager who runs it.

[Shane Cashman]

Like, we just forgot that Les Wexner was told, like by his lawyer, you know, whispering in his ear, if you say one thing, I'll kill you.

[Tim Pool]

And that's insane.

[Sam Nunberg]

And he just lets him steal a billion dollars. Billion dollars.

[Tim Pool]

If you. An. What do you say if you answer anything longer than five seconds again or something like that? Threatened them. Yeah. And then everyone laughs and it's like, yeah, we're going to grab your guys. Questions. Let's, let's get to the discord over here. Let's see we got going on. All right, Kevin, Adele says, do you think Tucker will endorse Newsome or AOC for president because of the Iran war? I do. And then he'll become the most popular progressive in America. I think he, I, I, I, I, I'm starting to agree with a lot, a little bit, that a lot thinks he's going to run, but it's because he made a comment on his show about maybe running. And if you look at what he's doing, he's, he's positioning, positioning himself for the, for the right populist position.

[Sam Nunberg]

I'm not sure that's the position, though, even. Look, I, actually, he had me plant articles for him when he was at Fox about should he run in 2024 after this election, you know, during the 2020 election. And I, he asked me, do you think I'd be a good candidate? I said, I think he'd be terrible. I think he'd just be a terrible candidate. I, he may want to run. I, you know, my understanding is that his wife wants him to run too. But I, but I, I, I think it would be, I, I wouldn't be worried about it. For instance, like, I, I like Tucker.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm not voting, I'm not voting for him.

[Sam Nunberg]

I support JD Vance and I don't, I just don't, I don't vote for him.

[Shane Cashman]

I would never vote for him either.

[Sam Nunberg]

Okay.

[Shane Cashman]

He was created in the Palantir Lab, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's, that's not fair. Yeah, that's not, they're called genetic alteration facilities.

[Shane Cashman]

JD Vance is a Chimera? I think so, yeah. I, I trust him. He seems like a used car salesman to me. He says things I think he thinks people just want to hear. There's nothing authentic about him to me at all. I've never, but I've never been a fan. Same way I feel about Vivek, you

[Sam Nunberg]

know, I just see the way he's been operating in the White House. And as somebody who is more of a warhawk myself, I like the fact that he's prudent. I think that he's, he's been effective much more when I compare it to Mike Pence previously, these, these are issues for me for on governance, let's say, and getting the agenda through to the best of the abilities of the Senate. With that said, I also have a Lot of, I have a lot of respect for. Although I don't know how much respect I should have because he was against Tim Waltz. But the fact of the matter is his performance in that debate when he was just going right back.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

With kindness.

[Shane Cashman]

He's great at talking. That's why I call him, I call him Hillbilly Obama.

[Sam Nunberg]

Okay.

[Shane Cashman]

Because he's just like, he's just like Obama. Like, just something about him seems fraudulent.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab some more. We got Warrior4588 says thoughts on Ukraine's ceasefire. Fire.

[Shane Cashman]

Ceasefires don't mean anything.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Shane Cashman]

We'll see.

[Tim Pool]

Two more weeks and I hope you

[Shane Cashman]

know, I would love to see all

[Tim Pool]

trying to blow something up. And they'll be like, it was your fault. No, it was your fault.

[Sam Nunberg]

I think, I think it shows Russia the fact that they actually asked for this so they could celebrate something. I mean they really are pretty, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, Mother's Day's around the corner.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

We need a day off.

[Ian Crossland]

So the Russians want to start moving their weapons into Iran.

[Sam Nunberg]

I don't know. Putin.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

Maybe this one.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I mean that would be pretty funny if like Russia announced a ceasefire then starts moving troops and weapons to the border.

[Ian Crossland]

And Ron said their missile stockpiles are 120%. Who knows? It's true.

[Tim Pool]

But James, not a Fed. Veritas says now that the UFO files are out, what's going to happen this weekend? That the UFO files will distract us from Iran. War going to ramp up this weekend might be something related to Hunter Biden again. Every time he'd be in the news it'd be like aliens are real. Although now he doesn't really matter. He was the news recently, I think. What do they announce? They're not charging him or something.

[Shane Cashman]

That's nice.

[Tim Pool]

With something related.

[Sam Nunberg]

Millions of dollars debt and he's living in Europe.

[Shane Cashman]

Seriously, he's an art.

[Tim Pool]

No, they released these things on a Friday. It's usually because they don't want to have a big impact throughout the week. And it's a general distraction. It keeps the, it keeps the more conspiracy minded people wrapped up with something.

[Shane Cashman]

But they're also saying this is like the first phase. Like they kind of did the same thing with Epstein files. But they're saying like there's going to be more and it's going to be life changing. And they're like you're going to make the world on fire. You know, that's what Burchette was saying.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got dirt. Dirt board. OG says with the AI revolution coming, World War 33. Can't read it. 11, World War 3 on the horizon, the fake economy about to fall and aliens possibly taking over the world. When will we get a boonies beanie? When. When there are companies that make good ones.

[Shane Cashman]

Boonies beanie before GTA 6.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, actually, we could easily get a boonies, meaning. Just someone's got to make it. Okay, guys, There. It's been said now someone will figure it out.

[Sam Nunberg]

I got to tell you, though, I don't like paying 430 a gallon when we're not bombing.

[Tim Pool]

I just got to say the new boonies boards that are coming. So right now, there's a bunch of boonies boards.

[Tate Brown]

The.

[Tim Pool]

It's the full throttle. They're their cars and various vehicles and. But the next one, the next series of boards that are coming out for America, it's the America 250 edition. These are. These are some of the best boards. So one of them is Ian being massacred by the Tim Cast crew.

[Ian Crossland]

It is.

[Tim Pool]

Goodness, he's great. He's a red coat. And we're all standing there, and I'm shooting him with a flintlock, and he's

[Ian Crossland]

like one on our mug. So depending on what side you hold on, either Tim holding the flintlock, taking it.

[Tim Pool]

There's one with a ripped chicken riding a horse, carrying an American flag, of course. American Patriot.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Nice, nice.

[Tim Pool]

And so when I saw how good these were, I was like, we got to do 100 of those. We can't do 50 because that's going to sell out instantly.

[Shane Cashman]

It's hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

It's awesome. It's a black and gold American flag with a chicken riding a horse, but the chicken's just massively ripped. And then I think the one of Ian getting just massacred by the entire Tim Cass crew shooting him, he's gonna do really well.

[Ian Crossland]

Your. Your arm and flintlock are parallel to the ground. It looks so good.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then everyone else is aiming the muskets at you, and you're like, there's no gore, there's no blood, there's no smoke. It's just meant to be artistic with Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

Like falling off a bridge holding a saber, I think.

[Shane Cashman]

Is that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you have a saber. It's so good. Anyway. Yeah, yeah. Okay. We got Taylor Lorenz's. What does it say now? Hanta sleepover says, Tim, I wanted to call in an assets yesterday, but I just called in the other night, so obviously I couldn't. This one's for Shane and Tate. I said the devout Christians. How do you gentlemen square the impending pole shift theory with God's promise not to flood the earth again?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't believe in the poll shift theory.

[Tim Pool]

You don't think it's gonna flood?

[Shane Cashman]

I think that's just an op. I. I think we're just being flooded with ops right now to get people so confused and distracted and fighting over everything. Because I, like I said, I don't believe in the. I don't believe in even those years existing that he says, you know, the people who believe in the poll shift.

[Sam Nunberg]

I don't have an opinion. Just wondering why you don't like, you

[Shane Cashman]

know, they're going back like every 6,000 years, you know, so, like, I don't even believe in that. The whole point. I don't believe.

[Tim Pool]

Do you believe.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you believe that there was older than 6,000 years?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I used to never even think about it, honestly. It's old.

[Tim Pool]

Do you believe that theory that the Dark Ages never happened?

[Shane Cashman]

Well, that's interesting theory. I don't know what I believe. I think that we don't give enough credit. I think modern people, experts, whatever, people writing books about the Dark Ages, they are condescending to a lot of them. I think they were brilliant people there too, and make them out to be like cavemen. And we're brilliant, but we're just as barbaric today as humans have always been. But writing went away for a lot of different periods in time after Rome fell. Yeah. And different, you know, places they took over had no writing. So, like, history just doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't it wild that when Rome fell, it was the apocalypse? It was basically civilization collapsed. People went from having indoor plumbing to chucking crap out the window.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Like, even. Even like Carthage or Gaul, they had no written history. So a lot of the history we get from those places is written by the Romans. You know, there's people with Roman, you know, who were Rome experts who said maybe Hannibal didn't even have eleph elephants. And the Romans just use that to make their enemies look sick, you know, so. Yeah, I don't know. I don't believe in the poll shift, though.

[Tim Pool]

All right, sir Jackoff says fact check, not question. Tim said twice last week, Texas and California share the same Colorado River. There are two different Colorado rivers. Tim cast, you've offended this Texan saying, I'm drinking the same gay water.

[Shane Cashman]

That's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Shane Cashman]

How dare you.

[Sam Nunberg]

Yeah, you owe me an apology.

[Tim Pool]

The same gay Water. All right, Sir, Jack says if aliens did visit us, they would need warp travel to get here. Given relative relativity and mass distances in space, doesn't that mean that I've discovered practical time travel? Wormholes, spacetime manipulation. It makes me think of Prometheus and the engineers. Advanced aliens who came to Earth long ago and engineered humanity. Could we be seeing something similar? Ancient visits and genetic influence. I'm going to pause you right there. There, buddy. The insinuation. Let's. Let's reframe this. Imagine there was a dog in the woods in the middle of nowhere, and he's trying to explain to other dogs it's not possible for humans to get to them because they would need to have legs that were 10ft tall so they could run really fast to get here in time. Now, we understand that cars exist and planes exist, and so that's a silly thing to argue when we think about space travel, relativity, and all that stuff. Imagine you are just real dumb and the aliens have just discovered something we don't comprehend. For all we know, they travel on the. On the. On the. The Flubo network. It's a interdimensional string of vibrating, you know.

[Ian Crossland]

Tubes. Yeah, series of tubes.

[Tim Pool]

A series of tubes. And we're. And we're sitting here being like. In order to get here, they would need to bend space time. And they're sitting there going, like, bend space time? We just flobed here. It's very much like, what does that mean? But like. Well, it's when you glucks the. The Flobinator and then you. You collab, you're like, I have no idea what that means.

[Ian Crossland]

If you have a projector on the wall and you're watching this show right now and you see me on your wall, that'd be like someone walking around like, how did he get over here so fast?

[Tim Pool]

That's true, too.

[Shane Cashman]

There's a lot of theories amongst the people who believe they were abducted by aliens that they believe a lot of, like, the Grays are actually, like, avatars, people. Yeah, yeah. They send them here. So they're not really here, but something is operating on their behalf, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Future people theory is starting to pick up steam, too. Yeah, I like this.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Future people theory is that at some point in the future, we develop time travel and we go back in time to interfere with history, to guarantee outcomes. And I think that makes a lot of sense.

[Shane Cashman]

That's those people voting on the market.

[Sam Nunberg]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Well, but in all serious, you wouldn't need to make money off the market if you could. If. If in the future we develop time travel, we could literally just be like, okay, what should our civilization have right now? Everyone would vote. We should have, you know, more cherry trees. Okay. They go back in time, make something happen, and then instantly in the future, everyone's like, wow, we have cherry trees.

[Ian Crossland]

This correlates with the story out of Popular Mechanics yesterday on Twitter that time can move in two directions or can exist in two states at once.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we've known this. The. The theory is that when the Big Bang happened. Time, I should say hypothesis time. So the big Bang happens from our perspective. We see in three dimensions the universe expanding. The theory, however, is that there is an equal and opposite time expansion, but we're moving further and further away from it.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, gravity is affecting it. So the further away you are, the more differential.

[Tim Pool]

You're not understanding what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that when the Big Bang happened, imagine. Imagine if time were a linear spatial dimension. The big Bang happening means imagine a flat plane with a shock wave going off of it. It Then if you flip it over, you have the upside down as another shockwave going off of it. You're riding the shockwave up. The other shockwave is going in the other direction. As a spatial dimension, it's easy to comprehend. Now imagine time that way. The further we travel through time every day, the further away from the Big bang we get on the inverse is anti time that flows the other direction. And there are beings that live there and they live their lives identically to us because it's one and negative one. So they experience same thing, but to us. If you were to take their anti time and overlay it over ours, it would be like the movie tenet where the person's walking.

[Sam Nunberg]

Exactly. That's. He's one guy who understands Tenet. You're the one guy. I've watched it four times, I still can't get it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Stack and magic. When you do something, your anti part did it. That's how time.

[Tim Pool]

That is actually interesting how magic works. Yeah, Magic works on the concept of time and anti time overlapping. So in the card game the Gathering, the function of the game strategically is like you are a planeswalker and you are using magic and pulling energy from the ether to fight with another wizard or wizards, planeswalkers. And so you can pull energy from various land to manipulate. So this is somewhat immaterial, but in magic, when you summon a creature, you are pulling energy from the land and then creating a version of that creature from the ether just and so the way the game works is if I, as a player, functionally a wizard, say I am going to strike Ian with a lightning bolt. I then tap my land for energy and then I declare my spell as being cast. However, the stack in the game, Ian can respond before that happens and have already done something.

[Ian Crossland]

So after he does it, I respond with what happens before, Essentially, Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So it's a stack. So I say, lightning bolt. He says, I'll make up a spell. Healing. I'll use real one. Healing salve. Then I say, lightning bolt. Healing salve. Lightning bolt. So I take an action. Then he takes an action that happens before mine. I can take an action that happened before his. So unrelated to anything we're really talking about, but fun.

[Ian Crossland]

Similar, though. It's similar to the way time works, I think. I mean, time's not a real thing. I was thinking on the drive over here it is. It's just the motion. I mean, it's all relative motion.

[Tim Pool]

Everything There is a hypothesis of anti time.

[Sam Nunberg]

You were thinking about on the way here.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Sam Nunberg]

That's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

So the idea would be this. Yeah, it's kind of like this. If you could freely manipulate and move through time, like a spatial dimension and you walked to the Big Bang, you would go through a hole and come on the other side, continually walking. And there's two. There's two timelines going like this. So this is our timeline going forward, but when the Big Bang happened, another timeline went the other direction.

[Sam Nunberg]

Do you think we live in alternate timelines? Like, I always. I kind of think. I kind of figure sometimes I think, what's the other timeline of me where I didn't screw X up? And what's that person doing now?

[Tim Pool]

That alternate probably multiverse. If the multiverse is true, then imagination is just visions of alternate realities. We are out of time, though, so it's been great hanging out with you guys.

[Ian Crossland]

Are we just out of motion? That's the question.

[Tim Pool]

We're out of time. I'm looking. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. It's been great, sir. Do you want to shout anything out?

[Sam Nunberg]

Thanks for having me. You follow me at numberg Sam. And this is really off my bucket list. Tim, thanks again.

[Tim Pool]

Thanks for coming.

[Shane Cashman]

Awesome. It was a pleasure to be back. You can follow me online at Shane Cashman real quick. Wanted to say that it is amazing that the story of the portals to Waffle House has now made its way up to Trump, who says, I don't know anything about teleportation, but you can test the show I host every Monday through Thursday. Inverted World, 10 o', clock, YouTube and rumble there.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I got. I got to mention this. There was a post on Reddit that predates the Waffle House portal thing.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Pool]

And the post was a hypothetical superpower where you could teleport, but only to Waffle Houses. And so when I was researching the story, I found a post from like two years ago. And it was like you have the. It was some kind of subreddit where it's like a hypothetical where you have the ability to teleport, but only to Waffle Houses. Like, would you. And I thought it was weird. Anyway, Ian Crossland.

[Ian Crossland]

Follow me on the Internet at Ian Crossland. You'll be glad that you did. See you later. Carter Banks.

[Shane Cashman]

Yes, I'm Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks. And also Tate.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm the real Tate Brown. Call me at the real Tate Brown. Holding it down. I got my Alps.

[Tim Pool]

You beat me.

[Ian Crossland]

Just going to make sure you follow real Tate Brown all across everywhere. Real Tate Brown.

[Shane Cashman]

Follow real tape Brown.

[Ian Crossland]

What else does Tate do?

[Tim Pool]

You know, he had important affairs.

[Shane Cashman]

He took a portal to Waffle House.

[Tim Pool]

He's going to. He's going to call me. I don't know how, but I'm at Waffle House. I was just on the show. All right, everybody, that's everyone, right? Thanks for hanging out. It's been fun. We're back, of course, with clips throughout the weekend and we'll see you all then.