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DEMOCRATS PANIC, Abandon Graham Platner After Assault Allegations w/ John Cerasani & Rollo Tomassi
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They're dropping like flies. Graham Platner has a new sexual assault accusation that's dropped today. He's lost the support of Emma Vigland. He's lost the support of Ro Khanna. He's lost the support of Ruben Gallego. All of these people have been big supporters of Platner and he is losing them all. So it seems, seems like the end is near. He's probably going to drop out. He said that he's taking time to reflect right now and we all know that that means that in the next couple days he's going to officially suspend his campaign. So we're going to talk about that tonight. Donald Trump used his presidential authority and imposing figure and manliness to get FIFA to pull the, I guess the second day or the of, of punishment for a red card that happened last week in the, the World Cup. So we're going to talk about that. Spencer Pratt released a video this weekend and it's gone pretty viral. Last I checked it was seven and a half million views on it. Now it, it is about something that is near and dear to my heart and that is hate for communists. That is an all American kind of thing that we all should, we should, we should share in. And what's the last one that we're going to talk about? Oh yeah, there's an island wide blackout in Cuba now after the, the invasion, I guess you might call it Venezuela or the, the military action in Venezuela I guess is probably more accurate. They've lost a lot of oil that, that they had been depending on and that Cuba that is, has lost a lot of the oil imports that they've been, had been depending on. They're having massive problems with, with keeping the lights on clearly. And also the Cuban government has talked about kind of opening up some markets. So we're going to get into discussing that and then if we have time, we're going to talk about an AI actor. So for the first time there is a full AI actor. Her name is Tilly Norwood. She's going to be leading a new movie and we'll get into all that. But before we do, why don't you head on over to bunker branding.com and you can pick up some Tim Cast merch. We've got Ian's betrayal and Ian will be, will be, be talking about this because, you know, but here's the shirt. You can see the, the Tim Cast crew here. You've got Tim, you've got Carter, you've got myself shooting at Ian as a red coat. So head on over to bunkerbranding.com and buy your Tim Cast merch there. Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more. One second. I'm sorry. You've got Rolo Tomasi.
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Hey, how you doing?
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Tell them.
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Welcome to Las Vegas, guys.
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Thank you.
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Glad to have you guys back again.
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Roll Tomasi, the author of the Rational Mail series of books. I'm the co host of Access Vegas with my co host Michael Sartain and then my ongoing podcast the Rational Mail, which is now, gosh, since 2018. So I've been doing that and I've got a, I've got a new group that I've gone, I'm helping guys out between ages like 45 and 65. I, I aim for like an older demographic because I really feel like those guys are really underserved these days. So I have a new group called Reignite and that's basically what I'm doing here in Vegas these days.
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Awesome. We've got John Cerrasani.
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Happy to be here. Happy to be here. I, I have a book that I wrote a few years back called 2000% raise about leaving corporate America behind and becoming your own boss and taking a stab at entrepreneurship. I was very fortunate to have an epiphany when I was 27 years old and I like to share my experiences of success there and pass it along to other people. I also have a very popular Instagram account that not only talks about entrepreneurship, but it talks about some lifestyle things that go with that. And for me, one of my main hobbies is is gambling. And I'm not ashamed. I'm the best blackjack player that ever lived.
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Right?
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Ian's here.
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Base.
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What's up, everybody? Good to be here. It's rock and roll, baby.
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All right, so we're going to get right into it from Politico. Platner says he's taking time to reflect on his candidates candidacy. The main Democratic Senate nominee posted the statement after Politico published allegations that he forced a woman to have sex with him, which he denies. Maine U.S. senate Democrat nominee Graham Platner said Monday that he is taking the time to reflect on the best path forward for his candidacy. Minutes after Politico reported that a woman who d said he forced her to have sex with him. Platner denied the allegation, but he said in a roughly two minute video that was posted to social media on Monday that he is mindful of the political reality and the reporting will inflict regardless of the inaccuracy of the reporting. But Mindful of the political reality it will inflict, we are taking the time to reflect on the best path forward. Platner said it's the first time that Platner, despite a series of scandals ranging from controversial online posts to earlier accusations about his behavior with women to a tattoo with Nazi ties. It's not tattoo with Nazi ties. It is an actual Nazi tattoo. Has indicated that he was considering exiting the race. Look, Graham Platner has gone, has got like the full gambit, right? He's got a Nazi tattoo, he's got multiple allegations. He's talked about sexual assault. He would sexually assault someone. I'm being nice about that. He would sexually assault someone that broke into his house to assert dominance.
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We're not saying that.
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The stream just started, so, you know, you got to give it a few,
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few minutes to exert dominance.
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Not in a gay way, but to exert dominance and show them.
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Yeah, right.
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And to see that it's taken so long for Democrats to actually abandon this guy with all of these allegations, they, if it was, if it was a conservative, obviously even a hint of any of these individual allegations and they'd be
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all over in the first place. When he's got a Nazi tattoo, I
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hear, I don't know how that is.
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He like the only thing going in, man. Like, they need him to be the dude.
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They're looking at other people. Now, if I understand, you know, look, Collins is, She's an incumbent. She's. She consistently overperforms compared to what the, the, the polls tend to read. She's not a strong Republican, but her position is there, kind of doing what Mansion did, you know, just holding the seat. So that way an act, a progressive or a Democrat, don't take it. She's not a reliable Republican vote, but she's better than any Democrat placeholder. So, yeah, if, if Graham Platner's out and the Democrats can actually bring in a new person that's better than Platner and take the spot, obviously that's a bad thing, but, but I don't, I don't know why they were holding on to Platinum. He didn't, he doesn't have any, Anything in particular that makes him seem really all that insightful or anything.
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If you look at the details of this Politico story, all right, they're in an off and on relationship shootout.
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She.
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He showed up at her house intoxicated, and it sounds like he wanted to have sex that night and she didn't. Right. And if this is coming out like this against him, he's got to be looking at. Oh, crap. If this is what's getting me in trouble, what else is going to come out?
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean?
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Not to dismiss what he did or anything like that, but if you look at the details of it, if that was all there was that he was worried about, you could have tried to explain your way out of that a little bit. You know what I mean?
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There, there I've been reading, you know, obviously on X and stuff, and there's. There is possibly more stuff coming later.
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So gotta think.
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So if, if he's gonna. If, if there is other stuff out there, I mean, he's gotta get out.
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Yeah, I got to think. I got to think there's more. I think if this was all he had, I think he would try to fight it.
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I think obviously he's controversial, but just a steel man. Platner, a little bit. That tattoo. Nazi adjacent. Nazi connected adjacent. It's a Prussian and old from the 1700s. I was just reading a little about it. I think it was. Who was it? Frederick. Frederick the Great's one of his symbols from way back. Cavalry tattoo. And then the Nazis ended up using it, taking it and co op. The SS Co op.
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The same, the same kind of thing can be said for, you know, swastikas. They were. They existed in India and in other places, both before. Once the Nazis touch it, you kind of can't get that stink off.
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How old is this guy?
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I don't know exactly. I think he's in his mid-40s.
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In his mid-40s.
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He was a G. I guess he's a GW veteran.
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How do you like, know the history well enough that you will say, you know what? I really want that on my body.
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And he says, he says that he's a. He says that he's a history buff. He says that he's a. A fan of, of World War II history and he's, he's very interested in that stuff. So the idea that he didn't know, you know, but yeah, like the, the idea that, that he, he was the best option and now they're scrambling. In fact, if you, if you look at, look at Kalshi, right, The odds of him dropping out have skyrocketed. Clearly it makes perfect sense for him to get out now. But there's also. I don't, I don't have it here. But the, the odds of, of Susan Collins losing have actually gone up now. Even though there's no one that's been named as a Democrat. The. It Looks like, you know, the Democrats kind of still have the edge over Common.
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So essentially the bet is anybody but this guy will.
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Yeah, like I said, you know, Collins, Collins tends to, to over perform what the, the, the, the polls say. But that doesn't change the fact that, like, I mean, you know, like, how do you, how do you say that someone that isn't a ticket, it blows me away. I couldn't imagine. But, but the idea that, you know, how do you, how do you, how do you say that a nameless Democrat, we don't even know who it would be, Would be better. Would be better than Susan Collins.
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Well, they're taking bets, I hope, obviously.
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Well, yeah, they're the prediction market.
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Prediction market is. Yes.
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So Town hall had, had had a video of. What was her name? Jenny Rasica
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French.
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She said, I didn't want to have to violate this huge level of privacy to my own life to be able to infer that this person is not honest and trustworthy. I felt really protective of my own privacy and thought, thought this whole process. And it got to a point where my privacy was no longer going to happen. And that was when I kind of just made the decision that, like, I'm going to say my piece and get it out there. I don't. Can we play this? No, we can't play this.
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If you open it in a new tab, if you right click the video. I've actually already done it.
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Open in tab.
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So when the New York Times story
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came out, you were in it, but
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you didn't go as far in that
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story as you are today?
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Yeah. Why not? I didn't want to. I didn't want to have to violate this huge level of privacy to my own life to be able to infer that this person is not honest and trustworthy. I felt really protective of my own privacy throughout this whole process. And it got to a point where my privacy was no longer going to happen. And that was when I kind of just made the decision that, like, I'm gonna say my piece and get it out there. I had tried to give the impression that something, you know, worse happened. And that's when it was like I refused to comment further.
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You definitely.
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So is that, is that common where people say, oh, you know, I don't want to talk about it because it's, it's a privacy issue when it comes to something that is clearly going to come out. You know, I mean, the guy's running for Senate, he's running for the upper house, he's not, not running for you know, just a congressperson spot, but he's running for Senate spot. I feel like the, the idea that, that she would be like, oh, I don't want to because of my privacy. That just doesn't.
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Well, it's got to come out and it's got to come out in August or sometime around August. If you notice, like, most of the major scandals in an election season usually come out like late July or August because they need some time to sort of like ferment. They need, the story needs to sort of percolate a little bit so that you remember it when you go to the polls in November. So a lot of the times, whenever you see. And this could be, you know, a general election or it could be just midterms and stu. That too, you'll see that a lot of the scandals were like, I think it was, was it 20 in 2022. That was sort of like the women's year back then, because then you had, was it Ruth Bader Ginsburg and all that stuff. You had the Roe v. Wade getting kicked back to the states during that time. And so you had. They had to, they. The leak, the quote unquote leak from SCOTUS happened like in March or April of 2022. And then they actually did the ruling right around July or August. So now you've got that sort of percolating right there. Remember, ladies, you got to go to the polls and, and vote. So when you're looking at scandals or you're looking at any kind of controversy or if they want to change the horse mid race, they're going to do it right, right around July or August. So what I'm thinking here, and the more I look into the story, the more I'm reading as, as we're going along here, if it's, if it's a guy that they want to get rid of, especially if he's already got something in the backfield, that's when the, the ex girlfriend is going to come forward and say, you know, he did this to me. Or I remember back in, you know, 2018 when this particular thing happened. And now, oh my gosh, his character comes into, into play and everything else. And particularly, like male candidates are very easy to sort of, you know, all you got to do is mention a sex scandal and that's, that's pretty much it for you. What was the guy, was it Cuomo in. During the, during COVID when the, he was somewhat responsible for the, the senior citizen, the senior citizens, for sure. That wasn't enough to get him removed from office. But a sex scandal was.
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Yep, yep.
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Yeah. And so you. All you got to do is, George, just lean on the sex. To your point, I'll bring out an old girlfriend.
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Yeah, to your point. Joe Biden dropped out of the race and at the end of July.
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Yeah, think of the same thing. When did Biden drop out?
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Yeah, there you go.
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I suppose they do have enough time. It's you still early July. But I suppose they do have enough time to give, you know, a replacement candidate, you know, some kind of momentum, especially if they're, if they're, they're thinking, oh, look, if we get rid of this guy, the, the odds are that this new person will do better against Susan Collins. But I, I don't know. I kind of feel like they have to have someone that's going to knock it out of the park or else they're going to be, you know, they're facing an incumbent. You're facing someone that's got.
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I'm, I'm really wondering who they're going to replace him with.
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Yeah.
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Because that'll let you know what, like all the stuff that we're like, sort of like trying to, you know, speculate on right now.
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You'll.
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You'll see whoever the replacement is, you go, oh, that's why they did that.
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Yeah.
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They really wanted this person and they couldn't get them to commit.
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Until now, I haven't heard, I haven't heard any names of anybody that, that would be, you know, looking to take his place. I, but like I said, they've, they've got to be a home run if they're going to be able to, to actually jump in there and get some, get some momentum, because the fact that we don't have a name, that there isn't someone that is clearly, you know, ready to take.
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I was gonna say the chat saying it's going to be Janet Mills.
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Janet Mills. I, I don't know. I'm not familiar with Janet Mills.
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I don't know who. I'm not that familiar with main politics. I'm sorry. Yeah, I live in Las Vegas, but yeah, I was gonna say that that's again, you're probably going to see a woman take that, take that spot so that you're.
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She's the governor now.
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She's the governor, yeah.
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So, I mean, I don't, I don't know if she, she could step in.
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I guess she could, she could, yeah. It's happened before.
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Yeah. So, I mean, maybe that, that's possible. She definitely got name Recognition in, in Maine.
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So, so if you believe what the plat nurse camp fired back with saying that this was being done politically motivated by out of state establishment.
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Right.
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So they mean the Republican Party obviously. So that would mean that if that was true, let's, let's just pretend hypothetically that's true, then you would have to assume that the Republicans don't, you know, the highest amongst, amongst the Republicans don't think that there is anyone that will do better than him.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Because if there was someone weighing in the wings, otherwise just go against Platner.
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I mean.
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Yeah, it seems to me that with all this stuff the Republicans would probably prefer that he stay in.
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Well, that's what you would think. But where did this woman come out of the woodwork? Just coincidentally or, I mean what do we think according to Planner's camp is politically motivated by somebody out of the state?
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Yeah, I mean look.
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What else are they going to say though?
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I guess. Yeah, I mean, look, like I said with, with all this stuff coming out, I, I just kind of imagine the Republicans be like, no, keep him in, man.
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Well now, yeah, well, well even before,
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you know, I like, I know that he, like he was, he wasn't doing particularly well against Collins, if I understand correctly. It wasn't like it was clear that he was going to be the winner. And, and he, he just, he just has so much baggage. That's the kind of thing you want, you can get onto, you get onto TV and just, you know, talk, oh, this guy has this, this guy has. And just ram it down people's throat. Because the Republicans can't really afford to lose any seats. You know, they've got a razor thin majority.
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I was going to ask like, how important is this seat for the Republicans in the midterms? Like, is it the, is it the difference between holding that?
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No, no, I think they've got like, I think it's like 53 Republicans versus, you know, 48 or 47 senators and then you've got the Vice President to break any ties or anything. But the Republicans in the Senate, like they're not particularly reliable. You know, you can't even get the same act. The same act is the thing that everybody kind of points to now is the fact that even though this is extremely popular with the American people, they can't get this passed. And it's, it's because Republicans in the Senate won't actually bring it up for a vote. They vote it down, which is mind blowing.
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They're trying to attach it to the ndaa, which is.
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Which.
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The part of the NDAA wants to basically synchronize American and Israeli defense strategy, like trade secrets and things like that. So it's a big change to military strategy. And they're trying to attach the SAVE
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act to that, which is. They try to. That's just. They're doing it because the NDAA has to get passed. It's the National Defense Authorization act, so it's how you allot money to defend the country. And it's one of those things that's a big omnibus bill. They put a bunch of stuff in it. That's the way that they. They've done. They've done multiple things. The, the Smith Munt Modernization act was, was attached to the NDAA, and I think it was 2012, and that's what ostensibly gave the. The government the, the authority to propagandize Americans. Because beforehand any, any information that the State Department produced was, could not be dissent disseminated in the United States. It had to be for external use. And they couldn't do that kind of stuff. Then the Smith Modernization act made it legal for the government to disseminate it in the US So. And that, that kind of stuff is, you know, they do that with omnibus bills all the time, so that putting the SAVE act into the NDAA makes sense in that they kind of have to approve, they kind of have to vote to pass it, or else you're not going to be able to fund basically national defense. So that's, that's why they're doing it.
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Look at the, the chat here. They're saying that Janet Mills actually ran in the primaries, but she lost in the primaries. Well, I mean, it might, this might be like, this might be the hatchet job that the, the Dems are doing to get him out to put her. Yeah, we can't get her in the primaries. Let's get this guy out of here. Now that we've got. All we got to do is find a, find somebody, dude.
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Okay?
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Yeah, no problem.
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Janet Mills is 78 years old as well. So like, you know, we, we hear
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say she's the best guy.
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You know, people talk all the time. You know, we got to get. We got to get these boomers out of government and stuff. And yet if. If it is. If it does end up being.
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I mean, maybe it's to the point where like, people like they're. I know, they're running the numbers and the numbers don't look good, and so they're thinking, okay, well, this guy's going to lose. Who do we have that we could have got in there? Well, obviously Janet Mills was, couldn't win in the primaries, but this guy did. And then so he's in there, they get him out with a sex scandal and they put Jam Mills in even though she lost a primary.
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Well, I mean I, the, the thought process but like I, it seems like all this stuff like when you get enough smoke, there's probably fire. So this guy probably is done.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So the, the seeing the establishment kind of, you know, people like Rokana, like I said, and, and Gyo and, and even like I said, Emma Vigland, which, that kind of surprised me. You know, she's, she's pretty, pretty far left and, and seeing her kind of withdraw any kind of support, you know, Know, it's not just the establishment that's doing it. You know, it's, it's across the board, the progressives, the establishment. I think even Hassan Piker said he's cooked, you know.
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Hassan, yes.
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On his stream today he was saying some, some stuff like, oh yeah, this guy's got to get out of here. And, and it's a, he's like, it's a tragedy.
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Yeah, you've lost your bed.
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There's very few things that he doesn't, doesn't approve of when it comes to, you know, getting the, the outcome.
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Liberal progressive politics.
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Well, liberal is, he's not a fan of liberals either that. But let's listen to a little bit of what Grand Planner had to say.
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I wanted to directly address the troubling, serious and false allegations against me. Any accusation of non consensual behavior is categorically false. Over the last 10 months I have been deeply humbled by the faith Mainers have put in me. You have welcomed me into your homes, into your places of work, into your restaurants and your houses of worship. You have shown that a different kind of politics, one that puts the interests of people over corporations, is not just possible, but is inevitable. This movement, we have built the largest volunteer base in the history of Maine politics. The hundreds of thousands of grassroots donors and the supporters across the ideological spectrum. We were united in a love of Maine, a belief that our politics must change and a focus on defeating Susan Collins. So regardless of the inaccuracy of the reporting, but mindful the political reality will inflict, we are taking the time to reflect on the best path forward. The state that I love.
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Yeah.
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You know what that means?
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Yeah. He hasn't, he hasn't said that that line Taking the time to reflect on the best path forward. That's pretty clear. It's worth noting also the DSA has pulled support for him too. He was, he was a dsa, you know, favorite because he's got very progressive politics and stuff and they've even pulled their support.
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So I like how he started with non consensual. Yeah, I did actually have sex with
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her, but I was thinking the exact same thing.
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She said, okay, that's what I was
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thinking, the exact same thing. And you also wonder, was he in politics five years ago? Do we know? No, you know what I mean? You just wonder if you knew you were going to politics, like you wouldn't be getting wasted showing up at girls houses. You know what I mean?
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He, I don't think he's gonna come out one day. Yeah, I don't think that he was, you know, five, 10 years ago. I don't think he had any idea that he would be in politics because he's, you know, he's a, he's, he's a drinker and he's a partier and
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you don't have a Nazi tattoo.
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You know, he's got, he's got a lot of weird stuff in his past.
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I was really hammered that night.
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There's a reason, there's a reason I will never go into politics.
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There's a lot of people won't because of that. Remember when Herman Cain ran and stuff on him. This guy was a clean cut guy until he wasn't. You know what I mean? 999.
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They can, they can find stuff on. Anyway you get, look at the, the biggest, basically Boy Scout Mitt Romney who, who was as, as, about as pure as the driven snow. About as pure as you can be and be in politics. And they still were like, oh, he's a Nazi. He's. And it was, it was a big deal. Like they were, they were calling him a Nazi and saying that he's doing all these terrible things.
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His wife is like the president of Heinz Ketchup. Hines. Hines.
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Yeah. Just, just ridiculous stuff. So you know, Reuben Diego has pulled his, his, his support. He said the allegations against Grand Plat are troubling and deeply serious. I'm resending my endorsement and like I said, Emma Viglin. So we're going to listen to Lip,
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but come on, I'm waiting for this one.
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I heard bad.
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I just want to jump on here to address the serious, credible allegations against Graham Platner. This story is devastating. I believe the victim here. I think that Graham should drop out of the race. He has betrayed many, many supporters by not being forthright about this. I would include myself in that. I believed his campaign when they said that there was nothing new coming out. And it looks like an awful, awful accusation. An incredible one has come out now. This movement has never been about one individual. Any candidate that takes up the mantle here should share Graham's belief or the campaign's belief in ending complicity in the genocide in Gaza. Medicare for all, taxing billionaires and more. But obviously this is a devastating development and we'll be talking about it more on the Majority Report tomorrow.
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B
It's so interesting to me that the genocide in Gaza or the pretendicide in Gaza is the top, top issue for so many people from the left, right? Like the idea that this, this war 6,000 miles away is what the DSA really cares about the most and it doesn't really have a significant effect on, on Americans day to day lives. Americans vote about kitchen table issues. If you're, if you're out there like, hey look, you know, she brings up Medicare for all. Whether you're for that or against that, that's something that would materially affect people, right? The cost of living how if you can, if you can pay for your groceries, if your dollar feels like as far as it should, that's something that is going to affect Americans. That's something that your average normal Americans are going to go and vote about. The idea that the, that the, the war in, in a war in the Middle east that the US isn't even technically fighting, you can, you can make arguments about how much the US supports Israel and stuff, but the, the US isn't directly involved in. That's the leading issue for so many people in the dsa. Whether you're talking about, you know, Mamdani or you're talking about the Seattle mayor, they all are talking about how important this thing is. And I don't think that the average American actually has that on their mind.
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E
Maybe not the average, but I understand that they're concerned like if we do have a global empire that's basically colonizing and taking over the world, are we okay genociding the people that live there as we take the territory, like repopulate them, kill them, like what do we do with the people that live on the place we take?
- [27:36]
B
I just don't think that the US is doing it, it right. Like we don't have Americans fighting in the Middle east or in Gaza. Right. Like the US is definitely fighting or was fighting a war over Iran, right. Like we're, we're U.S. military planes are dropping bombs in Iran. That's a real thing. But the fight between the Palestinians in Gaza and the, and the Israelis, that's really not the US's issue. I mean, I, I'm not particularly concerned with how this, that war over there is going because it doesn't really have an effect on me, you know, at least not on my day to day.
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C
But that's a big deal for the dsa.
- [28:17]
B
DSA is huge. It's huge. It's, it's, it's.
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C
Do you, do you get the, maybe, maybe I'm wrong on this, but you get the impression that they're sort of coattailing what's going on sort of like in the conservative, in the conservatives, or the big sort of schism between, you know, you support Israel, you don't support Israel. Do you think that they feel like they have to say that, sort of work their way into that narrative just so they can remain somewhat relevant?
- [28:40]
B
Well, I think, I think when it comes to the issue with Palest, the Palestinians in Gaza and with Israel, they look at Israel as the oppressor. Palestinians are the oppressed. It's a, it's a Marxist power dynamic. It's anti colonialism. They say that the, the state of Israel is a colonial experiment. It's, it's, they consider the Israelis, they say, look, those, those are Israelis from Europe. Those, those guys are from Europe. They're, they're white people that have gone down there to oppress brown people. Now, I, I, I personally don't think that that's quite accurate, although there are plenty of people that were in Europe that moved down to Israel as a,
- [29:17]
C
as an, as an election cycle narrative. Is that just something that they're just trying to like, sort of insert themselves into just so that, hey, we're part of this conversation too.
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B
Well, I, I think that it, I think that it genuinely is a big deal to them because they look at it as, you know, a, they look at the, as, as, as at Israel as a proxy for the us. They'll say, oh, Israel controls the US and blah, blah, blah. They, they'll make that argument, even though I, I don't find that argument compelling. But they'll say that, that Israel is a proxy for the us and, and the US is, is, you know, telling Israel it's okay to, to wipe out these, these poor brown people. It's about being anti, at the end of the day, it's about being anti American. It's, it's Anti Western. Because you. They look at, they look at Israel as a western style nation.
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D
It's the Western influence that, that Israel represents out there that represents America. And you know, Al Shabaab was a terrorist group. Everything going on with that. But that's always been the case. This has been the case for decades and decades. Right, but what hasn't been the case to me, at least in my observation, is the last couple years, this anti Israel sentiment in the United States. I don't think that existed before a couple years ago. Not, not, not vocally like this. At least.
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E
In the late 1900s, they called it Jew hate and they rebranded it. They're like, we got to figure out a. This sounds so bad. Let's. So they started saying anti Semitism. That was the new word they used. Okay, so it's been around.
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B
Not really.
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E
I mean, it has been around the US But I think mass media has now given a megaphone to minority ideas sometimes like that.
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D
When I hear anti Semitism, do you equate that specifically to Israel?
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E
I personally don't, because Semite means it's a desert person. So that whole area is filled with Semites.
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D
But I'm looking at it too generically. When I hear anti Semitism, I just mean or, you know, racist or, you know, discriminate against a Jewish person. I wouldn't even relate it to Israel. Personally. I didn't know Semite means desert. So they are talking specifically about Israel, I guess.
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C
One thing I did catch when her. So the first thing out of her mouth was, I believe the victim.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Immediately, that dog whistle right there.
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E
Just to clarify, Graham went over this chick's house. He was drunk. He was like, I want to get it on. She was like, no. And he was like, well, we're gonna do it anyway. And then forced his. As the story is, he forced his way into the house and like she was screaming, stop. And he, he beat her up or did it. She just acquiesced.
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D
Like, I didn't see her say that in the article. It sounded like they're off and on where maybe they had sex consensually the night before.
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B
Oh, yeah, so.
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D
So that, that's. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not defending the guy, but I'm just saying, like, you look at the details of the article and that's why I'm saying this might have been the tip of the iceberg with other people coming out of the freaking woodwork. Because if I were him and this was it, and it's he say? She's saying, Especially if they're still sleeping together after the incident. They keep dating after the incident.
- [32:02]
C
Yeah. See, the other thing is, like, when you see stuff like this come out, like, everybody's denouncing him like, like within the day, 48 hours, right?
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B
Yeah.
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C
And it's like, that's what makes me think that this was, like, this is part of the. The takedown.
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D
Everybody.
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C
Hey, okay, we're all colluding to take this dude.
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A
Perfect.
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D
We got a reason.
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B
Yeah, I think. I think that this is kind of just the. The straw that horse broke. The horse's back because it broke the camel's back because, like, he had allegations of, like, sending illicit messages to other women. I think they were. They were. They were like, he was sexting back and forth with women while he was married. He had a kick account. So people are. Are questioning what. Yeah, he had a kick accounting children. There's the, you know, he made jokes about the tattoo. Even though he swears that he didn't know, he made jokes about the tattoo being a Nazi tattoo to other people. So it's. It's just a. A, you know, cascade of bad stuff that the guy's been involved in and this kind of thing. It's like, all right, we gotta. We gotta find the rider.
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C
Yeah.
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E
What gets me is that I don't know if it's Polymarket or Kelsey. It said that he's his. Him dropping out. The odds are up that he's gonna drop out, and therefore the odds are greater that the Republicans are going to lose. Meaning. Wait, I want to say it in a way that people understand. They're indicating that him dropping out is actually a good thing for that party. Party, because they thought that he was a bad candidate. That's very strange to me.
- [33:33]
B
So it just reinforces Susan Collins is. Is. I mean, like, she's. I don't know how long she's been there, but she's been in, you know, the senator from Maine for a long time.
- [33:42]
C
78. Right? Was it 78?
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B
Was it 70?
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C
How old she is?
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B
I don't know, but she's been. She's been there forever. Oh, yes. Susan Collins is old. Yes. I don't know how long she's. How long has Susan Collins been. Wait a minute. I didn't type in Susan Collins.
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E
Yeah, 97 is when she.
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B
From 97 is when she first won. So there you go. I mean, she's been there for 20, 30 years.
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C
29 years.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So.
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D
So in the Platner campaign, all Right. Or the, the Platner statement from their, their camp. These allegations are very serious and Graham vigorously denies them. They are also coached and coordinated by out of state establishment operatives. What's interesting that that could be either party, I guess.
- [34:39]
B
I mean, look, it could be as far as, you know, the, the idea that it was an op to get him out. Look, he's, he is a DSA guy and it, the DSA has been racking up win. So I mean, I, I don't know that I have an opinion on it, but it, it could well be that the established Democrats are like, all right, if we can get rid of this guy and get someone that is a more establishment Democrat, that would be better for the party because the DSA has been just, you know, gangbusters winning. They've won, you know, they won like three primaries in, in New York or what have you. Maybe, maybe even more. They've got the, like I said, the Seattle mayor. They've got Mom Donnie. They've got, you know, they had aoc. Even though she's kind of, kind of looking at the big picture and, and, and her, her career. Yeah, she's, she's pop culture is what she is. Yeah. So. But she, she got in because of the Justice Democrats and the DSA support. So it could be that the Democrats are. DNC is like, look, we have to do something about these candidates because they're going to take over the party. You've got people like Hakeem Jeffries saying, you know, oh, maybe we do need some fresh blood. About the only person that reasonable take on the DSA and the far left in the Democrat Party right now is, is Fetterman.
- [35:59]
F
Yeah.
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B
You know, he's, he's like, these guys are crazy Communists. There are a handful of Democrats, I think they got like 15 people out of all the House to form a group that are like, no, we're actually pro capitalist. We are, we are against, you know, socialism and, and, and we are pro America. We're actually patriotic. Most of the, the DSA is not. They do just as a, as a baseline is like, we think America is overall bad. And Democrats know that when you go to the general and you've got people that in their past are just like, I hate this country. I use the flag to wipe my hands and, and that kind of stuff. They know that you're normal Americans that, you know, get about 30 minutes to an hour worth of political content a week that are worried about their kids and about their, their jobs and about the normal things that normal People are worried about that are not particularly plugged in. They know if they hear oh, this person hates America, they're gonna be like, really? Because generally people don't want to hate the country they're from. Most Americans have an, a broadly positive view of the United States. They'll be like, yeah, we got problems. But overall America's great. And when you've got candidates, especially if you've got a lot of them, right, like it's not just one or two. When it was Bernie Sanders, just Bernie Sanders focus, yeah, it was fine.
- [37:23]
C
Yeah, the popularity sort of worked against,
- [37:25]
B
it was like, yeah, it was one guy, he's not even a Democrat, he's an independent, you know, blah blah, blah, all that stuff. But if you've got, you know, 15, 20 candidates that are all names and
- [37:36]
C
they're like, they're just B listers and
- [37:37]
B
they're, they're all saying we hate America, we hate America. America's blah blah, blah, you know, and they're focused on, on all, they all have a focus on a war in the Middle East. These people probably, this kind of, this kind of attitude is probably the future of the Democrats, right? But right now the boomers are still the majority, the largest voting bloc. Gen Z doesn't make it out to the polls. They don't make it out to vote particularly in, in off year elections in the midterms. They, they might be online and be active but actually getting to the polls, polls historically not saying that they can't, that the DSA isn't great at organizing and, and getting, getting people animated. But historically Gen Z doesn't go out to vote nearly as much as people that are, you know, Gen X and boomers. And so even now with the amount of, of boomers versus the amount of Gen X and, and in the future, Gen Alpha, like there's just not a lot of them compared to, I feel
- [38:37]
C
like this midterm is like really kind of low effort. Like when we were in 2022 and Biden was saying hey, we're going to forgive student debt because that was supposed to be part of his campaign promise back then and he didn't make good on it. But then when the midterms came around and it was right at the same time that they were kicking back Roe v. Wade to the States and so suddenly became the woman's issue midterm election. And the reason I say that is because women hold most of the student debt load in the United States. So it's basically stimmy checks for like women who have the student debt. You're getting people out there. And as a result, you know that that's what happened in 2022. That was like kind of like the, the theme. And I'm like, I'm trying to like, figure out what this theme is for. For the midterms, this, this go round.
- [39:24]
B
I feel like the. The theme is, is at least on the left is Gaza and, And the, the genocide.
- [39:31]
C
And maybe there's no theme because like I was saying before, there's like, you. We're just inundated with B listers right now. Nobody knows, like, nobody has like a really strong. I mean, you know, aoc, right? But you don't know. And maybe Mamdani, but like, but Mom, Dani's like, local, right? He's not like national yet. But the, The. The. The theme right now is maybe like no theme because they, like, nobody knows what the character of any of these, any of these people are until they kind of rise to the top.
- [39:57]
E
It may very well be the consolidation of power around Israel, United States, because Massey, I mean, his opponent won apac. It was all APAC money. I don't know. All APAC money, but I don't know how much APEC money came in, how much out of state, 20 million or something. The highest. Most spent foreign was. Was insane amounts of money. And Trump's behest put against that guy to get him out of office.
- [40:18]
B
Do you think that. Because. Do you think that money actually does equal victory? Because if you look at, if you look at like, Hillary Clinton, she spent $1 billion and Trump didn't spend as much money as she did. And Trump won. Biden spent a billion dollars and he. He beat Trump. But that was a novel election. Biden and Kamala Harris spent a billion dollars. It was totally novel.
- [40:43]
C
I like the euphemism.
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B
No, I mean, it's fine if people are like, oh, it was a fake election, that's fine. But like, we've never had an election where people mailed out ballots and then went out and collected those ballots. You know, it's like, oh, 100.
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C
The reason I'm laughing is because there's a. I don't know, we probably moved past it by now, but there was a time where you couldn't say that
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B
on YouTube without getting banned.
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D
To your point about the money, though, you look back to 2016 with Trump's primary. I mean, all those guys raised more. Jeb Bush, Trump had pennies on the dollar.
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B
Yeah, yeah, so.
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D
And I think your point's very valid.
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B
It's worth, it is worth pointing out that, you know, for Massey to lose was like an earthquake because he's an incumbent, he's. He was there seven terms or whatever. And for an incumbent to lose against someone, one that was, I guess, I think it was a relatively, I don't even know the guy's name. So it's fairly, a fairly unknown guy. To lose a primary, like that's a big deal, but I just, I don't know that, that the money is, is always the thing. I know the left loves to say that it's the money, right? They say, oh, you got all these Super PACS and Citizens United and etc.
- [41:51]
C
Etc.
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B
The, the left loves to make us think about it. Even though they're taking, you know, money from their own super PACs and then the people like George Soros that spend billions and billions, they create slush funds
- [42:00]
C
out of that and wait till the next election comes around and then they'll use it for them.
- [42:02]
B
Exactly. So there's, there's money that both sides, you know, a lot of money that both sides spend. But I don't feel like it's. I don't, it's not my sense that whoever spends the most money wins.
- [42:11]
C
Certainly not, not in the midterms. As for damn sure, it's what the
- [42:15]
E
money can get you, which ideally is publicity. I mean that's really what money is. Foreign politics is publicity. So like YouTube channels are worth so much money, $10,000 a night, night, if you've got 100 million people. 100,000. But even watching you.
- [42:26]
B
But to that point, like Thomas Massie had, you know, almost, at least with the, the Kentucky voters, they knew him, you know, he again, seven term incumbent. It's not like they didn't know who the guy was.
- [42:37]
E
That's what I'm trying to find out. How much did Massey spend? He had upwards of 32 million spent against him. The most expensive U. S House primary in history. I'm trying to find out how much he raised.
- [42:47]
C
Well, segment Connell Harris does her.
- [42:49]
D
Her what?
- [42:49]
C
Her book. And she's mentioning by name Andrew Tate and Myron Gaines in there as being like factors or. I mean then she refuses to go on Joe Rogan, right? And then what's the first thing they do when they're trying to lick their wounds after Trump wins is like, well, we don't have a Joe Rogan. I'm like, well, you had an invite to go on Joe Rogan, you could have gone and done that. You had Joe Rogan, you went crazy in California too. The other thing is that we're kind of looking at 20th century candidates in a 21st century political, you know, ecosystem, I guess, maybe. And it's going to be interesting when we have a 21st century candidate running in a 21st century ecosystem.
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B
You know, I mean, when you look
- [43:35]
C
at, I mean if you look, we just mentioned Hillary and you mentioned Trump. Those, they are 20th century brands. They were big names back in the 90s.
- [43:43]
E
Mitch McConnell, apparently he's brain dead. I don't know. That's a Laura Loomer reporting that. He's, he's, he's not coming back and he's the old slow down there. Like he's the old slow. I'm the 20th century Republican.
- [43:56]
C
Somebody had somebody did the, the markup of this, of the ages, of all the people who are, of all of our representatives, like all the senators and all of the, you know, represent in the House.
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A
Right.
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C
And what their, their ages are. And you would be surprised how many of them are over 80. Hold on.
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B
The, the whole thing about Mitch McConnell, I, I know that the chat is going to hate me for this. Mitch McConnell is the reason that Merrick Garland is not on the Supreme Court. Mitch McConnell is the reason that Roe versus Wade got overturned because Mitch McConnell was the guy that held up Merrick Garland. So you can hate on Mitch McConnell because he's a boomer and because, you know, he doesn't like Trump. And that's fair enough. But I, I want to point out that having someone that's, that knows the rules and is that, that, that crafty and, and clever in the con, in, in the Senate or in, in, in the, in the Congress, like that is important. And Mitch McConnell again, Mitch McConnell is the reason why we've got the Supreme Court. That we do.
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D
Well once on one side you need the foundation of the experience of these people, but you also need this new blood coming in that are forward thinkers. You know, I think and I, I. When you said the 20th versus 21st century thing, were you referring just to the Democrats or both?
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C
No, what I mean is like, like the, the, the process like right now. Like put it this way, when Kamala Harris is mentioning by name Myron Gaines and Andrew Tate in her book as being like factors in her losing, then that's what I mean. That's the 21st century podcasts, you know, the Joe like right now, like podcasting, at least online media, social media, that didn't exist in the 20th century. So it's like so learning, learning how to use that to Your advantage right now is still something that eludes a lot of these old school who are still using, you know, like Reagan era Lee Atwater kind of, you know, here's how we're gonna go and win this, this campaign. It's like, no you're not. This is because you need, you need a Joe Rogan, you need, you need a Chris Williamson, you need a Myron Gaines, you need a whatever, you need a Tim Pool, right? You need somebody to go out there and have, you know, the same kind of market share that CNN or some of the bigger, you know, it's no longer TV and commercial TV that gets your message out there.
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D
You know, it's interesting, I don't know who stayed up till three in the morning when, when Trump won the election, when they, when he's doing his, you know, acceptance at the rally and everything, he brings Dana White out there. I don't know if you guys were still watching, it was three in the morning. Dana White gets on the mic and starts thanking people.
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G
Now that the campaign portion of my mission.
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D
Will Compton from busting with the boys. Aiden Ross, who's a big screamer that, that whole generation and giving them credit for actually moving, moving the frickin needle. Now Trump's having the frickin UFC fight on his frickin front lawn. He's, he's calling fricking soccer referees. Changing outcomes, right? So you know, when Trump's done on, you know, is someone going to step into that, into that role? I mean, Trump overturns a red card. I don't know.
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E
I think the 21st century, the youth's gonna come in. Like J.D. vance is an example of someone that's more technical, maybe more technocratic. But it's gonna come in and it's
- [46:59]
B
going to be a lot faster, it's
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E
going to be moving a lot quicker.
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C
J. Vance gets it for better. Rubio gets it. He's like, he understands the, I'm not saying I'm for, against any of these guys. I'm just saying they, at least they understand the Mechanisms of the 21st century and how you, you change the election cycle and everything. That think of as, you know, being sort of set in stone from, from like, I don't know, the late 70s through the 90s is no longer the game that we're playing in 2026.
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D
I'm tell you what, in Venezuela, when he got on there and defended that action, I mean he gave some freaking fans, he sounded sharp. People were coming at him from every freaking angle. No, this is what we did. And here's exactly why. Correcting reporters and everything. I, I, I, I think he, because
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B
it was time to say Rubio is, is very sharp.
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C
And the other thing is this and think about this. And I don't know, this is just something I kind of wanted to throw at you. Imagine, well, it's probably going to happen in 2028. Imagine the election that is leveraging AI to push it forward. Imagine it's, it's the Claude election, it's the chat GPT election. It's using those, you know, using AI and those algorithms and that, you know, large language models. So to, to get behind a candidate,
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B
to your point about a 21st century candidate, it that the guy that we're talking about is Spencer Pratt. So we're gonna go to the story from Fox News. Spencer Pratt lights social media on fire with viral takedown of vile commie mayor Momdani. He put up a video this weekend we'll play a bit of it and, and it is gone incredibly viral. I think it's something like seven and a half million views. You know, Elon Musk had tweeted it. But Fox News says Spencer Pratt sparked widespread on online reaction over Independence Day weekend after posting a sharp rebuke of New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani for using the July 4 holiday to criticize America's history. Pratt, a former TV reality star who drew attention with a surprise LA mayoral run, continued his political commentary by targeting Mamdani, who marked the nation's 250th Independence Day by delivering an immigration themed address from George Washington's desk. Flanked by eight recently naturalized U.S. citizens. Mamdani criticized U.S. immigration and Customs for enforcement Elon Musk and what he described as the arena of supremacy in the United States. Look, Mamdani is not a fan of the United States. And Spencer Pratt really took him to task. We're going to play a little bit of this right now.
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G
So we all had to sit and watch that vile commie mayor sit on the wrong side of our founding father's desk to try and lecture us about our own. Notice how the communist always attacks your history. The communist may must attack your history. Why? Because history is what anchors you. It's what makes us attached to something. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. History breeds an almost irrational attachment to things, an attachment that is more powerful than anyone can imagine. Erasing history is how you demoralize people, how you unmoor them and detach them from their society so you can take it from them and rewrite it in your image. Think of your country like a home. What makes your home sweet, special? It's not the marble countertops or the expensive furniture or the fancy appliances. It's the memories you have there. That backyard is where we got married. That living room rug is where our son took his first step. Hey, don't touch that. That was his first teddy bear. It doesn't matter how torn and tattered that thing is. You will never get rid of it. And you will fight anyone who tries to take it away.
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A
Why?
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G
Because you have history with it. You ever buy a new home? Remember those first, the first few months, even the first few years there? It doesn't feel like home. It could be a million times nicer than the crappy apartment you came from, but it doesn't feel like home for a long time because you don't have history there. It's easy.
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B
So the, the point that he makes in this is really, really, really. Where is he doing this from? His front yard.
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C
That is freaking great. That is.
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B
Yeah. From the front yard. Burnt down house. Yes. I mean this. So this is. He's great on social media, right? Obviously. But this particular video is it really, really. In my opinion, it, it hits home for me like it's a. It's a great understanding of the tactics that the left is using. Right. This is told. He mentions demoralization. Right? Everybody that. Or not everybody, but most people that watch this show, watch irl. They're familiar with Yuri Besmanov and his, his instruction on what the communists were trying to do. Right. How they operated, and the idea that you can demor. Demoralize a population by convincing them that your. Their country is not worth loving, that their country is all bad and, and they only focus on, you know, the negative things. It's all true. And you see it in young people nowadays. You see all the people on the left that don't love America, that are. That all they can see, all they think of is the negatives. And this video. I. If you haven't watched this video, I strongly recommend that you watch this video. It is a little bit long. It's 5, 5 minutes and 35 seconds long. It's long as far as, as, you know, as far as social media videos go. But it's really, really great. He really lays out a great argument as to what the left is trying to do, what Zoran Mamdani's intent was. Even though Mamdani tries to make it sound like he's got a positive message, it's not a positive message. Overall, it's critical of the United States. And to do it on the 250th anniversary of our Declaration of Independence shows that he doesn't actually love this country. He doesn't see this country as something worthwhile. And Spencer Pratt makes also.
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He's also doing it on that day. Yeah, because he knows he's going to get that emotional impact. He's going to. He knows it's a holiday. He knows it's special. He knows the, the Thunderbirds are flying over Las Vegas and knows that that's time. It's not July 6, it's not July 1, it's July 4.
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And Pratt makes the point that. Mom, Donnie's been, you know, he's been an American for eight years.
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Years.
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He's, he's, he was naturalized eight years ago. And a, a new American is sitting there in the highest office in the city of New York lecturing Americans about what America is. And, and he's doing it on the 250th anniversary. I, you know, I'm not the, the pearl clutching kind, but like, my thought on that when I saw it was like, sure, kid, whatever. Right. He's 30 some years old and he's going to lecture picture, you know me, on, on what an American. What, what makes an American and what makes our country. Like, that's ridiculous. What did he say, Mumdani? Yeah, well, I mean, he said things like, like the, the piece said. He said, Let me see here.
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He, he alluded to Elon Trump being a trillion or Elon Trump, Elon Musk. Feed a trillionaire while kids are going hungry.
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You know what I mean?
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From, like a lot of stuff like that. Like all sound bite kind of things.
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Yeah. From, from Fox News, he said, as we mark 250 years, what do we see, Mamdani? Contradictions within a nation of contradictions. We see the wealthiest country in the
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history of the world.
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One where children go to sleep hungry while the world's first trillionaire hungers for more. We see monopolies that dominate every industry and oligarchs who buy elections. We see mass agents terrorizing our streets, eating food cooked by our undocumented neighbors before spiriting them away in unmarked vans. We see a nation whose immense wealth has been built by those with callous, dirt streaked hands, those who toil on factory floors and chisels into stone. And we see a nation that has allowed so much of that wealth be held instead in the soft hands of a precious few. That is. There's a, It's a Total indictment of the United States.
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So it's the pros versus the bourgeois.
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Absolutely.
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The money people are not Americans. They're swish bankers. I mean, it's a foreign op.
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He's talking about Jeff Bezos, he's talking about Elon Musk back to the Fed. He's talking about Donald Trump. He's talking about Americans that have built businesses he here and he's saying that they're the bad guys.
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I want to know specifically who he's talking about. The oligarchs that bought elections. Who's he talking about with that one? You know what I mean? I would say that's more on the liberal side than the preservative side, if you ask me.
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Yeah, I'm not sure who, who he had in mind, but it's clear that this is not a positive message of America.
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Yeah, Spencer Pratt, he made a good point in his video that, you know, history is important to preserve that. I agreed with calling mom dummy. I think he said a filthy communist. He said some like Mandami is not a communist.
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Yes, he is.
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He's a socialist.
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There's a big difference.
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No, there's not.
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I mean, unless he espouses like an intense communism on the people.
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What's the difference between socialist and communist?
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Communist wants no state. They want no state. They want everyone to own every piece of everything together collectively. Whereas a socialist uses like federal funds to do like state jobs and stuff.
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So there's still a state in socialism.
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Said that social. The end goal of socialism as communism,
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you could use it as a pass through to get to communism. But I don't think Mamdani wants communism.
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Is Mamdani a Marxist?
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It sounds like it. These statements make it seem like he wants some sort of class or sees a class war in process. But I'm telling you man, the classes are not in the Americas. They're global. And it's a banking thing that's going on.
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It really is.
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We're getting bankrupted from the inside out. We're 40 trillion. You know, the Federal Reserve act, the fiat currency system bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2000, 2008. The, the trillions that got printed during COVID That is a real problem.
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Yeah, but it's not Elon Musk, bro.
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It's a big banking cartel.
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B
Part of why there is such a significant difference in. When it comes to the. What the. The left loves to talk about wealth inequality. Right. People that have money have access to money. People that don't have money don't have access to money. That makes sense, and that's true. But the way that, that Mamdani is framing it as the people that have money money are actually oppressing the people that don't. That's just not how it works. The people that have money are the ones that are generally providing the jobs that the people that don't have enough money are working.
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It's. There's levels of oppression. Like when the bank hits you with a late fee or a 25 fee because you, you overdrafted a $70. Okay, there's some oppression from rich people to poor people.
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Just side note here, no kids are going to sleep hungry.
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Our kids are fat.
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D
There's a few things. Who is he talking about specifically? Like three of these things. Okay, I know you're talking about Elon Musk. I'm Australian. Who else are you talking about? On this other.
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The left has changed, has stopped talking about mount, like people that don't get enough to eat or don't have enough food. Now they say, they talk about food insecurity as in like, or, or you know, they're, they're. There are there, there are people that don't have enough nutritious food. They have to move the gold post because our system has been so successful that our poor people are fat now. So like the people that are poor in America, they tend to be overweight. You see fat homeless people, right? Like, if you were really that poor, then you wouldn't be fat. And you can see that in places like, I mean you look at. There's. I saw this picture of a guy in Venezuela that was a storekeeper in Venezuela. And there's a picture before the, the socialists took over. And his, his store is stocked and he's a little on the, on the pudgy side. Not of, not sloppy, but he's got, you know, he's got a bit of a belly and then he's well fed a decade later. It's a picture from the same spot in his store, right. And there's very few things on the, the, the background that are on the shelves behind him. And he's clearly clearly significantly thinner because the socialist model doesn't actually work. And it's something that most of the people that are, you know, most of the people that are watching this show probably agree with that. But, but like it. It's not something that you can actually argue against. There has been an experiment in socialism with different societies across the world with, with different cultures. You got, you know, the North Korea, China. There's Been all kinds of socialist experiments across all of, all of Africa, all of South, South America. There's all kinds of different cultures that have tried socialism. And every single time, time it fails, it doesn't produce enough for people to eat. And you have famine, you have people that, that you are actually going hungry. And our society, the one that Mamdani is sitting here criticizing, we have fat people that are homeless, we have fat people that are, are, you know, poor. Because we have such a successful society that even the poor people there are. I, I was watching Caleb Hammer and he was talking to a guest that was a socialist and she was saying all the stupid platitudes and he was like, how many Americans have.
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Or how.
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What percentage of Americans have a smartphone? And she's like, oh, I don't know, blah, blah. 98%, 98% of Americans homeless people have cell phones, they have smartphones, homeless people have computer. If you have the cognitive ability, because there are some people out there that, that, you know, have, have issues that they, the mechanics don't work. They can't actually use cell phones, they can't comprehend how to use them. But if you have the cognitive ability to use a cell phone and prob. People that don't have quite the cognitive ability to use a cell phone, they all have cell phones, they all have smartphones, they all have computers.
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I agree with you 1, 100 but I think one of the things this is my take on socialism, communism, but communitarianism, collectivism, is that when you look at Marxism, you look at what was supposed to be a form of government that was based on our understanding of what human nature was in what, 1840, 48. Was that when the Communist Manifesto was published? Somewhere around there. So you're looking at a, and it's probably written well before that. Right. So you're looking at a, an understanding of human nature from the perspective of Karl Marx in what Russia in 1840.
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He wrote, and I believe he was in England.
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So yeah. So you've got him writing this manifesto that is going to at least set the architecture for. Well, later on. Communism, socialism, whatever. Based on an understanding that human beings are collectivists, that they are egalitarian, that they are all cooperative. All what? Communitarianism, right. Where as in Today, in the 21st century, in 20, you know, we've plotted the human genome. We understand. Well, we already have the history to, you know, to back up the fact that there's never been a successful, you know, version of socialism or communism that didn't end up in the Khmer Rouge or Pot, you know, or anything like that. But the thing is, is because we're still. We don't know what else to do. We don't have any other way to go from here. That's why. One of the reasons why when we look at hierarchical systems, which capitalism is hierarchical, you know, you got the president, you got all the way down the chain of command kind of thing. So you're looking at a hierarchy as a form of organizing society as opposed to doing everything in the round. And everybody's going to cooperate and everybody's on the same page. And the only way you can make them on the same page is through propaganda, is through. Through maintaining this narrative so that everybody believes the same thing in this sort of social engineering experiment that has never been successful, because that's simply not the way the human mind works. It's not the way we evolved to work as human beings. Men want to compete with one another. Women tend to be the gatherers. Men are the hunters. Right. We organize society and hierarchies, women tend to do it in the round. Right. Tend to do it in egalitarian, you know, communitarian ways of organizing society. Right. Well, that's not the way that we have been able to, you know, as you were saying, successfully organize a society. Certainly not in the west for, you know, for as long as we've been doing it. Right. So what I'm saying is this is.
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I.
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When we look at what those old ways of organizing society were based on, they're based on an incomplete understanding of human nature.
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Now.
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Now, I mean, how many. What are we, almost 200 years since then?
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More than that. Right?
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Since then. And we have all of this knowledge and everything else, but yet we're still clinging to this. This guy who wrote the manifesto in 1848, with an understanding of human nature from 1848.
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Yeah.
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And we're in 2026. It's like, dude, it's time to move the. Let's move the clock. Let's move forward, please.
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D
Well, I think. I think the modern form of propaganda, especially from the left, but really from all politicians when you're talking about welfare, is you. They never say, hey, let's just give more money to the people that need it, okay? Oh, that. We see that they're fat. We see that they have cell phones. Let's keep it. No, we got to keep doing that. But that needs to coexist with an investment in our school systems, with investment in drug rehabilitation centers. And that's the propaganda now from both parties. But what's actually changed in the last 30 years in this stuff? Not, not a whole lot. Whether it's Obama saying it, George Bush saying it, or whomever saying it, you know what I mean? And, and, and it all, it's enough to get by. Okay. Because the Republicans say well we don't want to give more into welfare. That doesn't make any sense. Let's invest here. Well, that should coexist with her is the other end. You end up nowhere exactly where we're at right now. The only, the only breakthrough in that regard was. Well I'm not even going to go there to change the whole subject. So go ahead.
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I just reading into like the government. Government because this whole like communism government owning corporations, you know, it's kind of antithetical. The United States, we've basically been laissez faire, hands off. And we have the postal service, we have some.
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But over the last.
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I just, this is blowing my mind. The U. S has bought 26 corporations between 2025 and 2026. They invested in 26 corporations. They bought like 10% of intel between January of 25 and May of 2026. The initial strategic deals they bought, they did 17, 16 month deals. They bought 15% stake in MP Materials. Our government owns these corporations now. MP Materials, they're basically like, it looks like they're stealing for World War three. They're getting prepared in case there's a world war that breaks out and they want to be able to compete with China's mobility, you know, corporate mobility, Their, their ability to mobilize and go into a wartime economy if they need, need to. But it's still like it looks like communism on paper when the government starts buying corporations.
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Yeah, I mean they're, they're buying stocks, right? So they're buying a portion. They're buying a certain percentage of stocks or a certain amount of stock, I don't think. And they're. It's not a controlling interest amount. Yeah, it's not a controlling interest of the company. So I don't, I mean look, you can, if you're of the opinion the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers and shouldn't be buying stocks from private companies then you know, that's, that's.
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C
I would want legitimate, I would want to see what those companies were and like how much they purchased with each one of those. And like what would be the possible reason that they would want to actually put money into.
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I understand.
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Correct. You gotta figure, you gotta weigh that against how many corporate like Big corporations, multinational corporations are in the US as it is anyways.
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So if I, if I understand at least for the example that Ian brought up with intel, like part of the reason I think is because they want to actually have chips made in the US So the chips act isn't, isn't panning out the way that we had hoped, if I understand correctly. But we do need to have chip manufacturers in the United States because, you know, for national security reasons, obviously.
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I was going to say the other thing is that it could be new technology that public's not aware of right now that is still maybe in an experimental. So maybe it's quantum. Quantum computing, right?
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Maybe.
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Maybe it's quantum computing and pair the pair quantum computing with AI. You're, you're in a boatload of her.
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Yeah, it's like metals companies metallic. I'm pulling up a list of all the companies and what percent the government owns. MP Materials, Intel, Lithium America Trilogy Metals. They do US rare earth and it's
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like 10% they're making, they're making dog
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robots, but all
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Black Mirror.
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You're talking about Earth, you're talking about metals, you're talking about semiconductors. Like all that stuff is national security wave. Hey, in all that stuff is.
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That's what they'll say for sure.
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They'll be like we.
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And I actually say it too, to compete with the Chinese who own 51% of all their corporations. At least you kind of, I mean it's not, it's an argument towards like, like it looks like, like to defend against the corporation, you need to get a little state owned. You need to be like, you need some national power right now.
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Like all that stuff that you listed, rare earths and all the metallurgy and stuff like that, that, that's all stuff that we actually get from China. China now. So in my opinion it's good that the government is actually investing in these companies to try to, to make sure that the US has the ability to produce this stuff here. Right. I want, I want lithium to be produced here because lithium ion batteries go into everything that, that we use basically nowadays. I want there to be, you know, rare earth material, rare earth metals that the US is mining here in the US because we're getting it all from China. I want the government to be doing this stuff. I want the government to make, make sure that it has the ability to provide the things necessary to the, not just to the, not just to the Defense Department, but primarily to the Defense Department or the, the Department of War so that if There is a conflict with China. We're not screwed.
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You know, nine of the companies are quantum computing companies.
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There it is.
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2 billion they've put so far into
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money in quantum computing right now, boys. Crypto's down.
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The quantum computer industry is like at
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half of where it was six months ago. And all the stocks are just exploding, going up, up, up, up, up. I think that's because the world economic order has seen that the United States is going to win if there is a war. The US has it unlocked since they took Venezuela the way they bastard brutalized Iran and like, about to take Cuba. Like, they're like, you know what? We thought crypto was the global currency. It's actually US Stocks.
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I don't think that we're going to take Cuba. I think that Cuba is just going to turn into a client state.
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Cuba might, the people might start eating
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themselves if the power.
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Speaking of which, that's a.
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Can I say one thing?
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Just, just reflecting back to the 21st century politics thing. When you talk about Spencer Pratt. Yeah. Running for governor in California, commenting on what the current mayor of New York is saying. Right. That, that, that's 21st century politics. They know it's going to get. How many views did you say it had?
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7.5 million as of last time I checked. Which was like earlier today.
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Politics are local until they're not.
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Well, what's, what's a prospective governor of California have to do with the New York mayor? They have nothing to do with each other. Right. So I, I, anyway, like I said,
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I like the fact that he was talking about it. Just because he's talking about, you know,
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they, they know that, what, four years from now.
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Anticipated social media clicks too, though.
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Dana White's going to get him down to the UFC facility and they're just going to fly it out in the cage. I don't know why not.
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I don't would see that. I would pay for that.
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D
Broadcasted on Kick.
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I don't know how strong Spencer Pratt is. I've never seen him.
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Word. Let's bring down Mom.
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Donnie couldn't put up. He had, he had a bar and 235s. He couldn't put up, you know, 115.
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He's got four years of training.
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I know it's a, it's a big ass to ask somebody to run for president, but I'd love to see Spencer Pratt run for president with, with Marco Rubio and J.D. vance, because I think Marco and J.D. are kind of buttoned up right now, at least behind the Trump wall that they're in, they're in the buffer, they're in the firewall. So I think Spence is like this fireball from outside that will like light it up and force those guys to like normalize and match his like Alpha Energy.
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Well, you'll stage, you'll see if, if Rubio and Vance decide that they're going to run for president. You'll see come, you know, in a year from now they'll be clearly running, they'll have announced because it's, yeah, you know, the, the primary or the, the midterms are this fall and then January, February and March, you' people start making announcements that they're running. So you'll know by, by next summer, you know, so. But we're gonna, speaking of Cuba, we're gonna jump to this story from the ap. Island blackout hits Cuba as its fuel reserve dwindles and aging grid crumbles. Let's see. Cuba. An island wide blackout hit Cuba on Monday as the country's fuel reserves dwindle and its electric grid continues to crumble. The blackout in the country of nearly 10 million people was reported by the state run electric union which said on X that the cause is under investigation. The Ministry of Energy and Mines wrote that on, wrote on X that it has activated protocols to restore electricity. Fuel has been running out across Cuba since January when US President Donald Trump threatened tariffs on any country that sells or provides oil to the island, deepening the island's ongoing economic and financial crisis. Public transportation has been largely halted and officials have canceled tens of thousands of surgeries. Energy Minister Vincent de la Ove de la Oliva said microsystems were already operating through Cuba a couple of hours after the outage. Vital services continue to be protected amidst this complex situation exacerbated by the energy blockade we face. They've already said that they're going to open up some markets which is progress because Cuba has, has been, you know, one of the only, you know, I'm pretty sure the only, the only truly communist country. Well, no, Venezuela was, was pretty much a socialist country. So it's one of the, the only truly socialist countries in, in the Western hemisphere at least. And they have been basically backwards for the entire time. You know, they've been falling, they've been falling further and further behind the rest of the world.
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So this is, will be interesting how big of a deal this starts to become. You know, right now it's not really even the top story in the news. Right? Or kind of is, but, but not really. But if you really look into it. It comes out from Cuba's oil supplier being Venezuela. And now Trump saying anyone that gives Cuba any oil, they're gonna issue tear. So no one's giving oil now. So like, I mean if people start starving there and go, you know what I mean, we're gonna have a little
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bit of a problem.
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Cuba doesn't, because of Cuba's. If I, from my limited understanding of Cuba there, they don't have a lot of problems when it comes to feeding people because Cuba actually said look, everybody grow a garden.
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C
Okay?
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B
Right. So like they've got a 365 day a year growing season. It's always warm, they get plenty of rain. There's no reason for anybody in Cuba to starve because they've got, they've got plenty of arable land. So if they do end up having, having issues with, with feeding their people, it's because of government policy.
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D
So the power that they could produce on their own. And in Cuba, Cuba only represents 40% of, of what they need though. So the food's fine, but they still need 60% more I guess of oil to, to operate as they do. And I'm just saying worst case scenario, this thing spirals in a certain way and Trump gets blamed for it.
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B
Well, I mean I think that no matter what Trump's going to get blamed for because of the situation Venezuela, but I think this is actually going to be a good thing.
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C
Like overall I was going to say. Yeah, okay, because now correct me if I'm wrong, but like I think was last week that Trump was actually mentioning Cuba and saying he was going to provide aid to the people of Cuba, not going through the government of Cuba so that it would then get to the people. But he was directly going to, I don't know, send money or send AIDS and some kind of, some kind of resources to the people of Cuba just a few weeks or at least a week ago. I know that. And now this.
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Well, he's trying to pre happen like when I'm used to try to put
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C
what I'm saying, obviously, you know, appealing to the populace of Cuba is probably a better idea than trying to, you know, trying to work with the government there because essentially what you know that one of the reasons there's the embargo is because they don't want China to come in there and essentially own that prime real estate.
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Right.
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I mean that's one of the reasons why we didn't want the Russians there in the Bay of Pigs.
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Right.
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Especially when you think of the fact that the, the, the Gulf of America now has so much oil industry in it. Right. Like, so you've got Houston as a bunch of refineries, I guess, in the area. And with the US Being an exporter now, you want to, you want to make sure that, that Cuba is not hostile to the U.S. not that they're going to attack, but, like, look, the, the. Where Cuba sits, right. You have to travel pretty close to Cuba to get to anywhere in the Gulf.
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Yeah.
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And that's going to matter 90 miles to Florida. So the, the Cuban president says insights. Trump's trying to incite social unrest by strangling Cuba's fuel supply, which that's probably true. So, so I'm more not kind of what's happening. That's exactly what's happening. But do we know? Because I don't know what's, what's the end. What could Cuba's government do to fix this with the United States? What could even happen?
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Well, I think that.
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What are we trying to accomplish here?
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I think if you look at what happened in Venezuela, say regime change.
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Change.
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B
Yeah. So even if you don't, and I don't think Trump cares if it's Raul Castro that's in charge or someone else, I think you just want someone that's going to play ball with the US and have open markets. So I think if Cuba opens up their markets and says, okay, we're going to stop being hostile to the U.S. we're definitely not going to. We're going to do business with the US we're not going to be in bed with China or in bed with, with Russia or what have you, then I think that that could normalize relationship.
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Yeah.
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And then the US Would be like, okay, cool.
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Are we even having those kinds of conversations with them right now? This is like just a few little guys.
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Yeah.
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The.
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There have been, there have been people from the State Department that have gone down there and talk. I think that, I think that Rubio might have gone down. I could be wrong. But, you know, this is something that I think that Rubio wants really bad. Obviously, he's a Cuban American, so I
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think we cut them off in, like, late March from what, what I read somewhere was late March. So we're only in July. This is.
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C
Which of course, would be why he's like, reaching out to the people of Cuba right now to say, hey, hey, shit's gonna happen. But, like, we're gonna, you know, we're here for you guys. Right. He wants exclusivity is what he wants. Exclusivity. Of, of Cuba. Look at the, look at where, where Trump has gone in just the short amount of time, about what, a year and a half, two years that he's been in, you know, he's looking at what, Greenland, Iceland.
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B
Greenland. Greenland, Greenland.
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E
Okay.
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Venezuela and now Cuba.
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A
Okay.
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C
What are all, what is the strategic significance of all those locations? Locations, right. What do they have in Venezuela? What do they have in. Cute.
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D
Like.
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C
Well, Cuba is obvious. They don't want, they don't want missiles aimed at. Right. And then of course you can look at, you can look at the geopolitical significance of Greenland right there. Close to Russia. Yeah, close to Russia.
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D
Yeah.
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E
So yeah, I mean that was saying that Cuba is basically like a staging area for Chinese spy tech right now. And they're just, that is their spot. They're spying hard. So if we were to. We're sieging essentially. We're not sieging them. We're just Star.
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A
Star.
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We're, we're, we're, we're sanctioning them. It's a nice modern form of siege warfare. But if then we strangled out their government to capitulation, it would be like a brutal behind the scenes, like reformation of who's who.
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C
You know, I mean it's, it's real estate that they, that like what natural resources do they have that China would want in the first place?
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E
Nothing.
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C
They want the land. They want to be a, able to position things.
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B
Right.
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E
It's like our Taiwan or they're, they're Taiwan right now. That's also crossed my mind. Like if we took Cuba by force, would that just be like.
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B
I don't think that, I don't think there's, there's any reason to think that there's going to be some kind of military invasion, Cuba or anything.
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E
It would have to be a liberation. It would be poised as a liberation of the people. They need it. They want it.
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B
I think that it's all going to be economic pressure because we can do it clearly, right?
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D
That's what it says. Social unrest to pressure it.
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E
I mean, so like either a governor gets bribed and no, no turns in his buddies or there's an assassination behind the scenes and then they come join.
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D
But social unrest just causes the government completely bloodless.
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C
Yeah, completely bloodless.
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D
Might be a little optimistic on our part, but I mean.
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B
Well, I mean, yeah, but it. Like it. This is, this is the way that it seems to be going. The US hasn't, we haven't had any kind of, you know, kinetic operations over Cuba. The US hasn't had to send in any troops and Cuba is basically their, their, their country economically. They're, they're getting crushed. And the US Is like, look, we'll stop this. Just open up your markets for your people.
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D
And it's collateral damage for Cuba when we taking, doing what we did to Venezuela. Hey, get Cuba too out of this.
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C
Yeah, exactly.
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B
I mean, look, the, the, whether or not you think the operation in Venezuela was a good idea, it's clearly worked, right? We're, we're, whatever five months passed or whatever got Maduro out. The vice president was like, okay, I'll work with you. And everything has changed now. And you know, they, they're, they've got, you know, diplomatic ties with the US and we, we're getting their oil. We've got, I know that the, the oil companies have started, started working back in Venezuela to try and get the oil working together.
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C
Greenland, time to annex Greenland.
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D
Trump said Canada is going to be a state at one point. Never west up there.
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B
None of these places can be states. I'm very firm on my disagreement about the idea of any of these.
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C
Feminist government of Greenland is just bristling right there. But look, we're coming for you.
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B
The US Is, the US Is probably going to, they're probably not going to take Greenland. They're probably just going to open up some more bases because look, at the end of the day, you've got less ice, you know, on the, on the polar ice caps. If that happens, happens. And, and Russia can get, it can actually build ports in the north. Because right now they don't have any ports that they can use. I think they've got one in the Black Sea that they can get out, but you have to go through the Black Sea and then through the Mediterranean. Otherwise they don't have any real significant way to reach most of the world, Europe and, and North America and stuff. They, if they can, if they get those ports open, the US Wants to be able to monitor what they're doing. Plus Greenland is closer.
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Russia.
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D
Yep.
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B
You know, comparatively right now, you look at all of the, look at where the F22 is stationed. They're stationed in Alaska and Hawaii because of being able to project power. Right. If Russia decides that they're going to use bombers, you can scramble jets from Alaska and from Hawaii and that, or if China decides they're going to do something like that, you can scramble jets from, you scramble interceptors from Alaska and Hawaii. They want to be able to do that with Greenland. They want to be able to, to have the, they've got a new, I think it's the, the, it'll be the F47 I think is what the new one's going to be called. But they've got a new, a new, new jet, new interceptor. It's a sixth generation fighter jet that they've already started the infrastructure in Alaska for this to be able to house the jets there. They want to do that in Greenland. I am in.
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A
Okay.
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B
You know, so, yeah, I mean, look it, this is all the stuff that Trump is getting held for. This is all about being able to protect the United States and make sure that United States is economically positioning us
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C
to keep us where we're at. Like security in what, 2030.
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B
Yeah, and we've talked about, I mean, I'm probably looking at 2050, but we talked about on this, this, this channel, we talked about a lot how, look, the, the Democrats are looking to avoid Thucydides trap, right, where there's a rising power and a, and a, an aging power. And if they're, if, if the rising power gets powerful enough, they're going to, they're eventually going to go to war. Democrats were like, we don't want to go to war. So we're going to go ahead and have a managed decline of the United States. We're going to pull back and we'll go ahead and have a multipolar world where China and Russia and the US Kind of have their own. And Russ and Trump's just like, hell with that. Why don't we just win? Y, you know, look, the, I forget the guy's name, but he was the administrator of, I believe it was not Shanghai. I'm, I'm, I'm spacing on his name, but his, he's like, look, I love the American idea. The American idea is we start from nothing and we beat you. And that's the way that the Americans have always been. We start from zero and we beat you. You get a head start and we still win. That's something that's very, very American. And personally, I think that if we have the ability, which I don't think there, that we don't have the ability to do those kind of, of things. Why not? Why should we just say, okay, we're going to go ahead and allow our country to decline? We should be doing things to ensure that our children and our grandchildren and our grandchildren's children enjoy the same kind of lifestyle.
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C
Look at the moves that China made really during Biden. When, when China's moving into like, like West Africa. You Know, can you. And why? Because they're picking up the resources in there. They're helping the population at the same time, but they're essentially doing, doing what, what, what Trump is doing right now. Going in there because they have some sort of either resource significance or they have strategic significance. They go in there and they can help out the, the local, very depressed third world economy of that, of that population and then, you know, and then annex that resource or annex that territory. We, we don't hear about it because we're not, you know, we're not privy to Chinese, you know, public, you know, what's going on in China. But when Trump does it, suddenly it's colonization. Suddenly it's, it's. Oh, it's a, it's a war of aggression or something. No, he's just, basically, he's playing the long game. So finally somebody's playing the long game because China's been playing the long game for, for a while now.
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D
Well, and especially with, you know, areas like Africa and the Middle east, you wonder if Trump's criticized more heavily just because of the whole, you know, Muslim versus Christian Western values thing. That doesn't come into play when China does things like that, to a degree at least.
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B
Yeah, yeah. I forget who it was. It doesn't. The Google's failing me here. But, yeah, look, the, the US has, has the ability to produce all the things that we need here. Right? Like the, the continent itself is basically uninvadable. You know, you can't, no one's ever going to be able to invade the United States. You've got the Rockies on one side, you've got the Appalachians on the other. You've got.
- [84:32]
C
But it makes for a great movie.
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B
Yeah, it does. It does, doesn't it? I mean, just look.
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D
Red Dawn. The remake.
- [84:41]
B
No, not the original.
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D
Not the remake.
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B
The, the original was get the North. But look, I mean, the, the geography of the United States is like, I understand why the, the, the, the people that came here and, and, you know, created this country. I understand why they thought that it was divine providence. You look at the Mississippi Basin, like, the Mississippi is a unique river in the whole, in the whole world, basically. Right. It's very, very. There's not a lot of rapids and you can get to the entire interior. If you look at the, the, the watershed for the Mississippi, you know, it's like, it covers like 35 or 40% of the whole country. You can get all the way up to like, North Dakota on the Mississippi, and it's all generally pretty Flat and it's easy to, there's rapids. You can, you can traverse the whole thing. And that's part of why we're such an economic powerhouse. We can do anything in the United States that we really need to. We have all the, the natural resources we have. We're an oil exporter. We have all of the, the rare earth metals that China does. We just haven't mined them. We're the place that makes the silicone that everybody uses for their chips. You know, comes out of North Carolina. Carolina. Like, all of the chips is 99.9999 pure. You have to make the crucible out of the silicone. Because when you're trying to grow the silicone, the wafers are basically, they make a tube of silicone and, and they chop it into like a millimeter thick. You have to make the, the crucible out of the same silicone because it'll contaminate it. They have to be pure. And it's got, it's the purest silicone in the world. Like, and all that's made that comes, all the silicone chips that go everywhere, it all comes from, from North Carolina. There's one mine in North Carolina. We have everything we need. So why should we just say, okay, we're going to go ahead and give up? That's one of the things that I actually, really, really like about Trump is he's like, no, we're pro America and we're going to keep America as the preeminent power in the world. And there's no reason we shouldn't do that.
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C
Yeah, I, I, this is going to sound really callous, but I, this is a thought experiment. Let's just, for example, there used to be a time when the, like, the UK was called the British Empire, right. Meaning they would go and expand into Africa and, you know, South Africa. And you had what, French Guyana. You had, like, the French would go and colonize places. This. Spain went and took the Philippines. There was a time, time where conquest was not a bad word. Was not. It was, it was just what we did. Right. That was it. Show. What was it? That used to be, There used to be a saying. I think it was in the UK or the British, like, the, the sun never goes down on the British Empire, right. Because it's all, it's a global empire, like all the way to Hawaii.
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F
Yeah.
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C
Right. So it's interesting to me that when we start when we're doing expansion, because technically that's what it is. Cuba would be expensive expansion. Venezuela will be Expansion. If we, if we get into Greenland, that would be expansion. Right? Now, I'm not saying that that's like some war of conquest.
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D
Yeah.
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C
But it's still expansionism. It's still us claiming territory. And, you know, maybe just if. If in only in name, you know, only. We're not saying this is going to be the next state of the United, you know, Venezuela is not going to be the next state. But. But the thing is this mental. Mentality of. I mean, I understand especially in the latter half of the 20th century, certainly into where we're at right now with this, you know, more of this liberal progressive kind of thing. We're embarrassed that, you know, that we did all this stuff and stolen lands and everything else. I'm like, why don't we think in the opposite terms anymore? Why don't we think in terms of like, conquest? Why don't we think in terms of like, you know, the British Empire, the French going on to wherever they did us going. And I mean, we took Hawaii. Right, right. And Alaska. Well, I bought Alaska, I guess. But the thing is that expansionism is not necessarily a bad thing, especially if it protects your own interests.
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E
This came up earlier, talking about Cuba, because when the Americans basically freed Cuba from the Spanish Empire in 1898, they call it the Spanish American War, they decided, okay, now we have Cuba, what are we going to do? Let's free Cuba. Let's not do the empirical conquistador thing. We're not taking it for ourselves. We're going to let Cuba be a free, civil, sovereign piece of land. And it became that. And then it became a communist dictatorship because we had given it away for free. Had we made it ours, had we taken it and conquered it, and it would probably be a beautiful American state right now. So it's sort of an argument for colonial conquest.
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B
Colonialism was an unmitigated good. I know that people are gonna get worked up.
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C
Did you hear what it was?
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B
It like, it. It produced like all the.
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C
The.
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B
The colonized areas that all the countries that were colonized, like they have a better society now because of it.
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E
It definitely helped uniform technology and enhanced like the speed that technology grows. We have running water, electricity, and it was able to centralize in the British Empire all the foods were able to centralize it. And they could spread it out to
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B
their colonies, the British and enslaved slavery globally. The British ended slavery. Like, there are still places that. There are still some places that do have it. But when the British said, we're not doing slavery anymore in the colonies, and you're not doing slavery anymore either. Like that was an, that was an unmitigated good. And it was the British that did that like they did.
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E
So my brain's going to corporations now because then the British East India Company took over. That was the, was the biggest military on the planet. I think at that point.
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C
Dutch East India Company.
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E
It was a Dutch East India Company. It was the biggest military on the planet. It was a corporation. So like with conquest of Mars that we're about to see on the horizon, the conquest of the moon probably orbital. Orbital conquest. I don't know how that's going to work. Like space locations.
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B
There's nobody on the, on Mars to, to. To colonize.
- [90:38]
E
Yeah, there's no one to kill. We'll just colonize it without having to
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C
be a reason for us to go there and pick something we really need.
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E
It might be corporate.
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D
Is Mars gonna be.
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C
I watch for all mankind.
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E
If you play that game Terraforming Mars, it's corporate corporations that take it and colonize it. So it's like shadow run future like IBM will have a piece. X SpaceX will have a piece.
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D
What's the number after trillion? What's the next level? Quadrillion.
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E
Yeah, quadrillion.
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D
CNN's going to be reporting about Elon Musk being a quad.
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B
Well, I mean look, space is real big, man.
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D
Yeah.
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B
You know and if you, if you're
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D
mining Mars, put it on Mars.
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B
Well, yeah, I mean look the, and if you, if you believe Musk, the point of going there is to making sure.
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C
Now we're getting into the Expanse.
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F
Right.
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B
If you believe the point of going there is to make sure that if something catastrophic happens on Earth, there's another place for human beings to go.
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E
Can we make Mars a communist utopia?
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G
No.
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E
Where everybody owns everything?
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C
No. The gravity is too low.
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E
They'll escape.
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C
Yes, you'll run much faster.
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E
That's the only problem.
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B
Helicopters work different.
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C
Helicopters work differently on Mars.
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E
If we don't make it a pure communist utopia for real with technology somehow where people collectively own the space. It's going to be corporately controlled or it'll be.
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B
Well, it's likely that it'll be SpaceX.
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D
Is this the plot of Interstellar? Have you guys seen Interstellar? I think we just talked the plot
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E
was it corporations that were colonizing.
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C
Now you have to watch for all mankind from Mankind is pretty. Actually it's turned into a decent show.
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F
You had.
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D
You had to leave this solar system. You had to leave the Milky Way to survive. Cuz anyway, Interstellar It's a good movie.
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B
Good movie. I don't know.
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E
I'm super, like, sensitive to corporate governance.
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C
I love it when we get on these topics.
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E
Yeah.
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B
Space.
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C
No, just like science fiction. You think we get to Venus?
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B
He wants to talk about companies. Companies.
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E
I'm down to talk about space exploration and conquest. The corporations, they want to do it. The, you know, they had environmental, social governance, which was esg. They were trying to do all this out of Switzerland.
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B
That wasn't, that wasn't so much corporations that were doing it. There was, there were like, There were motivated people trying to impose that on corporations.
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E
Yeah. The World Economic Forum, they were trying to like, get the corporations to govern. They want to displace nationalism with corporatocracy.
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A
Yeah.
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E
So I'm concerned with that in that instance. I identify with the communists. How they're like, look, the corporations are too big. They have too much power. We need start the hell. People need the power. We need to take the power back. And then that breeds the communist mentality of like, we together are strong. And then inevitably a small group of people gets into power and then seizes control, which they call the vanguard. You know, it's.
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C
I mean, you could still. I mean. Okay, well, let's, let's like reel this back to planet Earth.
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A
Here.
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D
We started off with British colonization is
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C
how we got everything.
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E
Exactly.
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C
We're talking about expansion, mansionism and stuff. But like, we also don't live in the times of the, the British Empire now. I mean, we still have corporations, but the corporations that we have in the 21st century are nothing like the, the Dutch East India Company. Right. So you also have to consider that if we're moving into countries like Venezuela or we're moving into. Hey, Trump says, hey, we're gonna give the, the people of Cuba a lot of money. We're gonna help you guys out. Well, where's that coming from? You know, where's the money? Is it coming from the US taxpayers or is it coming from corporate interests? Or is he selling rights know about in Cuba? Or for instance, like, there might be military contracts in Greenland that we need to build, like bases or airships or something like that. You're also, you're still promising those contracts and those, those business deals to, you know, the military industrial complex too. So there has to be. You've got to be able to balance the, the corporate interests with the, the government, the populous interests as well. When you can get those two to sort of like dovetail into each other, that's when you. That's when you're, you're cooking, but that. And, but you also have to look at like, say, like Communist China is ostensibly communist because it's really oligarchs and it's really, you know, major corporate interests that are ostensibly communists. The government is communist because it's what they have. They need to keep that, that population, that the billions population, you know, in check. But who's really pulling the strings in China? It's. It's corporations.
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E
Yeah, it's not a. They're not communists. They say it and they lie. It's. Communism means that all the people in the country collectively own the stuff together. China is just another instance of vanguardism. It's the same thing. Lenin, when he got his communist movement and tricked everyone into thinking they established what's called a vanguard, which is a small group of people that take control of the military and they're just going to be there temporarily is what they say. Same with the ccp. It's a vanguard party. It's just going to be temporary guys, until we make a real comment. But then they always, both in the Soviet Union, Union and in China, they betrayed the people with a vanguard. Any communist nation turns out to be a small dictatorial group. It has yet to be explored or potentially shown that it can function as a national government. Like in a tiny group of six people, you could easily have a communist setup where everyone works their ass off and everyone gets what they need. That's fine. But it doesn't scale, at least not yet. Because you have middlemen.
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C
Yeah. And it never will scale because human nature is copacating competition. Human nature is wanting to outdo the next dude. Human nature is essentially capitalism, really. It's a hierarchy. And when you try to force that hierarchy into this egalitarian, you know, doing, doing everything in a circle, it doesn't work because sooner or later human nature is going to take over and some guy's going to want more than the next guy because he gets more for that or he gets a good car for that or he gets a better house for that or something else. Like, so there's always that, that want to outdo. I mean, and that's. By the way, that's a good thing. Yeah, that's what keeps us from stagnating. That's what keeps us. That's what keep. Keeps innovation going. I want to do something more. Why? Well, because I want to win. I want to win.
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D
Yeah, if you win, if you win too much, guys like Mandani say you can't have a trillionaire you want, you want a little too much, pal.
- [96:31]
C
Well, you know, I want to win. I want you. And you don't want me to win. So guess what happens next. I want a bunch of trillionaires.
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B
I want a. I want Jeff Bezos.
- [96:41]
D
Come join me. Let's go. Come join me. I mean, I think the realisticness of people becoming trillionaires is not real, but multi millionaire billionaire.
- [96:49]
B
Yeah, look, when, when SpaceX went public, there was like 4400 new millionaires in the U.S. is that right? You know, for, for owning stock. Because SpaceX was paying their people in money and stock options and the people that took it, one of the dudes was a janitor, one the dudes, one of the people was a cook for, for SpaceX and they're millionaires now because generational wealth overnight. And like there's, there's a bunch of people, there's like 400 people that were like, that made over a hundred million dollars. Now probably those are people that were in the, the upper echelon of the management and stuff, but still like when you go, your company goes public and you make, you know, 4400 people millionaires.
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D
Yep.
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B
Like, that's not oppressing people. That is not oppressing people. The people that, that work at SpaceX and the people that work for these companies, companies like they have good things that, that are happening for them and, and companies like Amazon or companies like Walmart, like if it wasn't for Amazon, tons of Americans couldn't get the things that they need on a daily basis sent to their house. They'd have to go ahead and go to, you know, go to the store or whatever. Things like Walmart, like they make, they make prod or they, they provide products that are inexpensive generally and people that don't have a lot of, of money can go and get the stuff they need. This isn't, you know, and they provide a bunch of jobs. Now granted, they're not the greatest jobs, but look, people need, you know, people need to be able to pay their bills somehow. And if they, if you don't have these big companies, then you lose all the jobs that go along with them.
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C
And the other thing about that is you want to be able to at least entertain the idea, as hopeless or as hopeful as it might be, that you can better your state at some point along the way.
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A
Right.
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C
You know, I'm, I might be living not the way I want to now, but because I'm doing this, I'm working towards a goal, I'm competing, I'm doing something else, that maybe somewhere down the line I'm going to be doing better, my kids might be doing better. Even if it's just the promise of that. Yeah, see that's the thing is like I've mentioned this on my show several times, is that the, the, the defining state of, you know, that defines humanity is really discontent. It's not contentment. And that's a good thing. It's good to be discontent.
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A
Right?
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C
Because that's what drives innovation. That's what drives, you know, I want to, I want to do something, I want to create something, I want to do something more. So people will say, well, you know, I, you know, I'm gonna go get my degree at this four year college. Okay, I got it. Now what I want, oh, my master's degree. Okay, I got my master's, I want to get my doctor's degree. Right. There's always some other. You might be content for a little while, but the, the, the fundamental nature of human beings is discontent. It's, it defines a human condition is discontent. The problem is, problem with communism or okay, let's say Marxism because I don't want to split. Everybody's going to tell me that's not the communism, Marxism. Let's just go with that. Okay. The reason why I was mentioning that Marxism had an incomplete understanding of human nature is because it never takes into effect or into account the human defining human state of discontent. Discontent is a feature, not a bug. That's what, and so that's what keeps us going. That's. We don't stagnate, stagnate. But when we're put into a condition where we're supposed to be content with what we're giving, you're gonna, you're gonna own nothing and be happy, right? No, no, you're at the knot because you're going to be discontent. There's always going to be something. There's going to be a new, a new mountain to climb. There's always going to be a new challenge to, to go after. And you know, one of the reasons, I think that a lot of the guy, a lot of this generation's young men today are so, you know, you know, despondent right now for black, better term is because they're told that they should be content and they don't know why that they're discontent, right? Because they don't have any new frontiers to go conquer. You want to know why video games are such a, you know, an immersive, you know, sedation for young men today is because it gives them the, it gives them an artificial experience of a frontier or competition. You want to know how comp. How competition competitive like Gen Z young men are. Watch them play Fortnite, watch them play any, any first person shooter game and you'll see just how competitive they can be.
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B
Right?
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C
And it's again, it's like so the, the fundamental defining state of humanity is really discontent and it's not contentment. And like I said, that's a feature, not a bug. And so any form of government or organizing society that doesn't take that into account is doomed to fail it.
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D
And I'll just. I know you want to switch gears here. I just want to add one, one thing to that. On top that I agree with everything you just said and also the ideology within the members of that society. If we're both making 100 grand right now and you make 25 grand next year, that don't mean I make 75 grand now. There's plenty of space for growth where we all can make that 125. You know what I mean? And people that are, and people that are anti. Anti this ideology just don't think that's the case. One taking a. From the other.
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B
Yeah, they have the, they have the idea that there's a finite amount of money or a finite amount of whatever and that the, the goal isn't to try to produce more. The goal is to get. Make sure that, that everyone has a certain amount of what exists when with people that are, you know, that have a, a producing mindset, they're like, we can make more.
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D
Well, and I talk about this on my page a lot of times too. It's like why you hate on somebody for winning. You could join that person win as well. It doesn't mean just because he won, you lost. Yeah, you know what I mean?
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B
We were talking before the show today, we're talking about, you know, people that have a, like I, I call it the, the like a. The Team Good Times and Team Bum out. Right? You're on Team Good Times. Then like something bad happens or whatever, right? Like if you're on Team Good Times and something bad happened. We were actually relating this. I was talking about like being on tour with the band and stuff. We were just on tour and you know, bad stuff happens, right? Like we, we had a. Our tour manager the very first day of the tour. He got, he got a call and he's. And he found out that his, his grandfather was in hospice and so he's gonna have to leave the tour and it was like, all right, well, this is our tour manager, and he was doing sound, too. So we're like, all right, how do we fix this? Right? And because we have everybody in the band is on Team Good Times, we're like, all right, well, this sucks. And, you know, we know you got to go and like, we're. We know you got to take care of your family first and stuff. So how are we going to get through this? How we. You know, what are we going to do? If you're on Team Bumout, you're like, oh, man, this sucks. Our. Our tour screwed, and we're not going to be able to play the shows, and we're going to blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, like, your attitude towards whatever, you know, presents itself is really, really, really important. And if you have the attitude. If you have, like a. A negative mindset or you have the mindset of, oh, you know, look, this. This isn't. I can't do this. Like you were saying, like, you have the attitude of. Of I'm going to lose out if this other person does. Well, that is a terrible, terrible way to go through life. You have to be on Team Good Times.
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E
Y. There's a balance in business. You need good mentality, optimism, pessimism. Business will get. You should get you fired. If you're trying to poison the minds of the executives, like, get out.
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B
You know, you can't be an entrepreneur and have a. Have a negative mindset.
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G
But there's the.
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E
There's the situations where Trump will be
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B
like, it's the best we've ever had.
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E
We're breaking records. And it's like, lies. And you're like, okay, you do want to be optimistic, but also you want to be realistic. But maybe you do want to trick people in business and lead them towards your goal. If it's. Even if there's pitfalls in the way. But it's like, there's other people who
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B
are like, it's all terrible and it's
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E
failing, and we need to. So, I mean, either extreme probably is a big problem.
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B
No.
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E
Extreme optimism to the point where you have to lie to people about it.
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B
Totally disagree.
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E
Extreme pessimism where you can't get what Trump does.
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B
What Trump does is actually BSing people, right? And if you're. It's one thing to BS people, and it's totally different to be like, no, I'm going to take these risks, and I'm going to figure out how to solve the problems that are inevitably going to arise. That's like, that's team Good times. If you're, if you're just like, well, I'm going to lie about it. You can't realistically have a business and then just lie about the results all the time because you'll end up crashing, you know, destroying your business.
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D
Well, I, I don't think, I don't disagree with what you said. I don't completely agree. But, but I think if you look at it in the framework of a corporation, compare what Trump's doing with, with a, with a business. All right? In that situation, if this guy gets the promotion, there's only one spot for that assistant manager job. You did lose out.
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G
He got that.
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D
And you can't, you can't get it. You know what I mean? Now, if that really bothers you, there's alternatives. Go be an entrepreneur, create your own jobs and, and take, take your future into your own hands. And I talk about that, about that a lot. But I, but I think Trump's approach, and I, I agree with the way you framed it, actually, but I think, I think Trump has to look at this like, all right, not everyone's going to be that winning entrepreneur. That winning entrepreneur that some. We got to take an approach that. All right, you're doing something here that matters, you know, collectively.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So. All right, we're going to go to your super chats.
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C
Oh, we'll do a Las Vegas story here in a second.
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B
We're going to talk about this
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C
where it's safe.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because, because, you know, you don't want to. Yeah, this is, this is a spicy topic and words in it can very easily turn into a problem for YouTube. So we're gonna go to your super chat. So head on over to timcast.com become a member, go to Rumble and join Rumble so you can watch the after show. Smash the like button. Share the show with all your friends. Tell everybody you know that you watch Tim cast and, and tell them that they should as well. So right now we got. Let's see, we're gonna go to your Rumble rants first. Let's see what do we got from. Oh, from Connor. So two baby Theodore was born on July 4th. The Semi Quin. Semi quincentennial. There you go. Semi quincentennial. He's a strong baby and will one day lead me millions. Theodore is a great name, I must say, but congratulations. Having a son. That's good to hear.
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C
Hold on.
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B
Yeah, absolutely.
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C
Have more.
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B
Yeah, have more. Have more. Let's see. From Hans1 PK says they are buying non Voting shares rather than doing bailouts. It's not communism like Ian likes to say. What do you have to say about that, Ian? They're not, they're, they're buying shares. They're not. And they're non voting shares and they're not buying a controlling interest.
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E
Right. They're not picking up over 51% of anything.
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B
So it's like investing in the company. Is that, is that still.
- [107:12]
E
Oh, they own 10% of a bunch of different companies. It's a very black rock, vanguard, State street model of, of corporate ownership. 10% of a bunch of different stuff. 10% IBM, 10% of Apple, 10% of Microsoft.
- [107:24]
B
But you own stocks, don't you?
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C
Palantir.
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D
Yeah.
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E
I don't know how deep. Palantir. Palantir is public, I believe. Yeah.
- [107:30]
B
Yeah. But do you own stocks? Yeah, I mean, it's the same thing. Yeah, I don't, like I said, I don't have a problem with the government owning a, you know, purchasing stocks, especially when, when they're in, you know, corporations or when they're in industries that are necessary for national security. I'm with it.
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E
But the downside, kind of what Rolo was saying earlier is like you want competition and you want to know that I can come from nothing and win. But if I want to start a tech company, but the government's favorite is IBM and I can't get off the ground because everyone's with IBM now because it's the sure thing that completely destroys the ethos of the United States capitalistic market. So you gotta be careful. It's a, it's a slippery road and it's only going on for like two years.
- [108:11]
B
Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll have to see so intensely for two years. Let's see. AK Storm says I think of every embarrassing thing I did in high school and question, question, if I could run for local school board. What the hell is Platinum thinking? Look man, I've said it before. I am never going to run for anything. I will never hold any public office like the, the. I spent a lot of time on tour in a band and a lot of that time I spent drunk. So there will never. I, I feel your, your, your comment. I understand what you're saying.
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D
She, she said he was intoxicated. Maybe you don't remember.
- [108:45]
B
Well, I mean, I know I've never done that, but you know, the, the whole like, you know, who was the,
- [108:50]
C
who was the history. Supreme Court justice, like got confirmed during. Me too. What was it? Yeah, they just lied about it went
- [109:00]
D
up a girl shirt, 16, at that
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C
kegger party in the backyard there. And you pulled that girl's pigtails.
- [109:05]
G
Exactly.
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D
You unsnapped her bra when you were 14.
- [109:08]
B
Christine Blasi Ford and all her BS. Like, that whole thing. I was just like, this is so ridiculous. And. And they. The Democrats were so, like, just clutching their pose. How terrible. How terrible. And then, like, you know, Platner's got actual people that are. That are making. Making accusations.
- [109:26]
C
It was. Is basically so they could weaponize it because they thought they were going to get Trump with Stormy Daniels.
- [109:31]
B
Yeah, that never flew.
- [109:33]
C
How can we use this? Oh, let's go back in time. Let's go back in time and see if we can get him before.
- [109:39]
E
Before a social media, before the age of TV and radio, like, horrible men did great things for the world many, many times. And now.
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B
Now it's where.
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E
This age of, like, where people are gauging your purse, your.
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C
Your.
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E
Your ethics, your behavior and your personal life.
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C
And, like, we got to be real
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E
careful that we don't devolve into, like, stopping evil men from doing great things, because we still need great things to be done, whether it comes from a demonic, womanizing, lying gambling addict or, you know, daddy's little girl. I don't give a. It's the good thing needs to get done. So we don't want to shoot ourself in the. The foot with virtue.
- [110:15]
C
I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna channel my inner Mike Sartain right now. We have. We have. We elected the president twice. This guy who actually was cheating on his wife while she was pregnant with a porn star. Nobody cares. We still re. We still reelected that guy, right? We had, what, O.J. simpson, right? You know, he was partying at Jing right up until he died, right?
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A
Right.
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C
Nobody cares.
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A
Right?
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C
Just. I mean, think about all of the. Oh, what was it? Wolf of Wall Street?
- [110:45]
D
What's.
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C
The guy was the new Jordan Belfort, right? Punches his pregnant wife in the gut to, you know, to abort the baby, gets a movie made about him and is one of the top paid inspirational speakers still today. Nobody cares. No one cares. So after, like, that's the whole thing that was funny about, like, the Kavanaugh thing is like, no, like, me too. Me too. Nobody cares. No one is going to care. Everybody's moved on to the next news cycle right after that.
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B
So there's a balance, because you don't want psychopaths doing evil and teaching the
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C
world to be more evil.
- [111:24]
E
But you. If Someone's an evil person.
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C
Like, even the guy, even the guy who, what, what's the guy's name in Maine?
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B
Platinum.
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D
Platinum.
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C
You're gonna forget about him in two weeks. Once he's pulled, he's pulling out. Let's just be honest. Once he pulls out, you won't, you won't even remember. I kill. I can remember his name right now because he's, because nobody's gonna care about that guy. Come, you know, November, you know, the second Tuesday of November, it'll go away.
- [111:50]
D
I, I, I agree with all that.
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B
You know.
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D
You know what part of pissed and pissing me off, though? Like, like cops, like people are not being cops now because be. Because of the, the public scrutiny. And there's definitely. To your point, I, I think this was part of your point, at least. People that just don't go into politics because they don't want to deal with this. That could have been great, great, great politicians.
- [112:09]
B
Yeah. I mean, look, it's, it's a question of, of is it worth it? You know, it's like, especially people that are really successful also.
- [112:16]
D
Especially if you don't know if you're going to, Or. Excuse me, I'm sorry. Especially if you don't know. I knew what's going to happen.
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B
It's okay.
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G
It's okay.
- [112:24]
D
Do not swear, John. This is not your Instagram. But, but I forgot what I was going to say.
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A
Oh.
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D
Especially if you don't know you're going to win.
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E
Yeah.
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D
So, you know, you got this history. You don't even know if you're going to win the damn thing. And you, you know.
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B
Yeah. And it's, it's like, you get people that are very successful in business and whatever, what's the incentive to leave what they're doing. Yeah. To go. I mean, just for, for an example, you look at Elon Musk, right?
- [112:46]
D
Yeah.
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B
He was a darling of the left. They loved him. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And as soon as he's like, oh, you know, I'm going to start talking about politics, you know, they started blowing up Tesla dealership. He was going to save crazy. The, you know, he's going to save the environment because he's, you know, got solar. He bought Solar City and turned it into Tesla Solar. And he's making batteries, he's got electric cars and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then as soon as he has the wrong opinion, he has politically incorrect opinions. They're, they're, you know, firebombing Tesla dealerships and keying Teslas and my Tesla Slide. I had four tires get. I ran over four different nails or whatever. I replaced four tires over the course of about a month and a half or two months. Cuz, you know, and it was all. When this stuff was happening. I never saw anyone do it. I didn't. I don't know for sure, but I mean, it's like if you, if all of your tires end up camar.
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D
That's
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G
a lot.
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B
Those tires ain't cheap either, man.
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D
If you're thinking about going into politics though, and you have a domestic battery, you have a dui, you've done anything ever with somebody underage, you're going to have a very uphill battle. I think we could all agree you might have a chance with a confessional.
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B
Let's see. Marusha Dark. Marushia Dark. 316 says, practically speaking, what can be done about ethnic enclaves that are. Are made up of legal immigrant immigrants and citizens to further incentivize integration. I'm not. I haven't really put a whole lot of thought into this. I don't really know.
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E
Move there when you're young, go live with them. That's what I did. It was highly recommended.
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B
Yeah, well, he's talking about breaking them up so that way, breaking up the enclave so that way you can, you can make sure that people get integrated, help them integrate.
- [114:42]
E
Well, I didn't want to break them up. I just wanted to become part of the community, to learn their customs. They learned my customs. We would hang out, I'd hang out with a bunch of dudes that spoke only Spanish. Bunch of illegals hung out in New York and Crown Heights with the, the black dudes, the, like that whole, all of it, man. If you want to be in like a, a cultural, if you want to affect culture, you got to go be
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C
part of that culture.
- [115:04]
E
I mean, you don't gotta. But that's one way.
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B
Integrate with jive.
- [115:09]
E
Change it from the inside out every day, right?
- [115:11]
C
You learn how to speak.
- [115:13]
B
That's kind of not really what he's talking about. He's talking about how do we make sure that not. How do we understand different cultures? But he's like, how do we get people that have immigrated here legally, how do we get them to not live in. In enclaves so that they can actually become American?
- [115:30]
E
I'm not saying the black dudes in Crown Heights were immigrants in an enclave. I'm just saying they were dudes. Like. But I'm saying that if you spend enough time in like a cultural enclave, they'll. They'll. See you as like, this benevolent outside force that they'll want to become. Were, like, from my experience, they. They. It helped Americanize these people. They really wanted to become Americanized. They didn't know any Americans because they all spoke Spanish. But so having me there was, like, helpful for them, I think.
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D
Oh, interesting.
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C
Yeah.
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D
I mean, Chicago is a great example. There's areas. I mean, if I follow what you're saying, there's areas In Chicago that's 100 Polish. Like, you have the signs written in Polish. The street signs are in Polish. And another area in Chicago that's Indian food. Some of the best Indian food you can find in the world, by the way. But in Divine Avenue in Chicago, it's all. It's all Indian.
- [116:15]
C
I think it kind of depends on the ethnicity that you're actually discussing, right? Because, I mean, there's. There are people who come to this country, and they want to really be a part of the American experience.
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D
Right.
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C
And, I mean, I can understand why, you know, certain groups want to sort of hang on to their, you know, ethnic identity, but then there's others that want to come to this. Like, I have a lot of Filipino friends who come over here. They don't want to. They don't want to still be. You know, they want the American experience. They're all Filipinos. Right. They might go back to the island, but they still want to have that experience. Or Cubans, for example. Like, I know a lot of Cubans because I spend a lot of time in Miami and stuff like that. And they, by and large, they want to come to this country because they want the American dream for what. Whatever that means to them. When I was growing up, when I was in, like, junior high school and high school, I lived in Pasadena, California. California. And it was right at the time where there was an influx of Armenian immigrants at that time, because of the genocide and everything that had been going on in their country. So people were coming over into the United States, and for whatever reason, Pasadena was one of their destinations. And they were some of the coolest people ever. Like, they fed me. I mean, I had. I actually, today, I like certain foods that are Armenian foods because I grew up with those because I had Armenian friends at that time, but they wanted to come here and they wanted to be a American. And I'm wondering if there's just simply been a change of. I don't know, a change of identity or change of understanding. I think it might depend on the group that comes over here. Certain. Certain ethnicities want to be a part of the American experience and others simply want to retain their own ethnic identity.
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B
I think that, that a lot of it has to do with which, which groups the, the government is actually, you know, helping to come over and how they're doing it. You know, if you, if you got a group, if you got people that are, are, you know, that are like, oh, you know, we're refugees or we're looking for asylum, that's different than someone that's like, hey, look man, I, I saved up a bunch of money back in the old country, and now I want to come to the U.S. and, and make my way in the U.S.
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C
i think that, that it's a land of opportunity. Right. Coming to America because if you come
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B
to the US and you're, and you're coming because the United States is like, oh, we're going to help you escape this. You kind of, and I'm not saying saying definitely everyone, but I imagine you've kind of got the attitude or the mindset of, okay, they're gonna take care of me. And so when you get to the United States, you're looking for help from the United States. Whereas if you get, if you come to the United States because you've saved up money and you've got some kind of, you're looking, you know, you're looking to get, you know, breaking economic opportunity. You've got the mindset of I want to go to the U. S. To do something as opposed to I want to go to the US for someone to help me.
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C
Well, one of the guys who is one of my business partners, Miguel Munoz, he's, he's, he runs a podcast called Dollar cost Crypto and he does Moon Gang and he's, he's one of the names in the crypto community. He and his. Actually his brother, his younger brother Kyle is my producer for my show the Rational Mail on Sundays. But they are second generation immigrants from Mexico.
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D
Yeah.
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C
And they're here legally. I don't call I.C.E. they're. They're here. Um, but they started out doing landscaping and everything, picked it up and built upon that and built and built and built to the point where he's. Now it's a crypto millionaire and bully and believes in the American dream. And this America's the greatest country in the world. Right. So to me, it's like, I think it kind of depends on sort of the ethnic identity of who's coming into this country. Maybe it's because of the hardships that they had to endure when there are other countries and they come here, they go. There's so much more opportunity here. I want to be a part of this place. Right. And then there's other people who say, you know, like, well, you know, they might be Somali immigrants that go to France or wherever else, and they're just like, they just want to make their own enclaves within that. In that country because they're just. They're bringing those third world problems into a first world country and not really integrating into. They don't want to be part of the French experience, they don't want to be part of the German experience or the. Ireland has a lot of immigrants as well.
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D
Right.
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C
And they just simply don't want to be a part of whatever that is. They just want their own enclave within that territory.
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D
Well, you want something that's American to hopefully assimilate to. And then we could all argue about what that actually we us form might agree, but there's people that. That wouldn't agree. And I think the Somalis are a great example. You lean into. What's your comfort zone? Okay, here I am. Okay, well, we'll go hang out with you. We're going to the bar together, listen to some freaking Motley Crue. Or I'm out going hang to hang out with other Somalis because I'm comfortable with them. You know what I mean?
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B
All right, why don't you guys smash the like button? Share the show with everyone you know. Share the show with your friends. Head on over to Timcast.com and become a member. Head on over to Rumble and join us there. Rollo. Where can everyone find you?
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C
You can find me at. Well, you can find all my books on Amazon for the Rational Mail. I have six books, not just one, but I am the author of the original Rational Mail book. You can also find me on Twitter. I am Roll of Smassey at Rational Mail. I'm on Instagram as well, which is just right. Rational Mail. Rational underscore. Male. And then I am. I do a show with Mike Sartain every. Well, usually every other week on. In this very studio here. It's called Access Vegas. And then I've got my own show every Sunday, 1pm Pacific, 4pm Eastern. The Rational Mail.
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D
Awesome. John Sarasani. You could find me on Instagram. J O H N C E R A S A N I. All my books and other things I do is at 2000% raise.com or just look at the link in my bio. And Ian, I. I don't know why I just assumed MLE Crew would be the right analogy there. You got to look like the deep.
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E
And D.
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C
I was thinking Richie Blackmore, but okay, I said, I don't know. I don't know.
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E
Who's Richie Blackmore?
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C
He's lead guitars for Rainbow.
- [122:00]
A
Really?
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E
I don't know who Rainbow is either. I'm amongst giants.
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C
You know what? I'm going to turn you on some rainbow.
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E
And I can smoke on the water, bro. I like that.
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D
That's there. Okay. Okay. I could name all the mly crew members except the one you look like. Nikki six, Tommy Lee, Vince Neil. You look.
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E
The other guy.
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D
That's the one you look.
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E
We'll do some research.
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C
There you go. Thank you.
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D
There we go.
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C
Yeah.
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E
I appreciate it.
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C
Only me and Phil knew that.
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E
You can follow me at Ian Crossland on the Internet. Go to YouTube, Instagram, X. Follow me at Ian Crossland. That's why you'll find my stuff at Ian Crossland. Phil. Avanti.
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B
I am Phil the Remains on Twix. Stick around for the Rumble after show. We are starting right now.
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D
All right, let's get into it.
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B
All right.