Democrats Vote To PROTECT Illegal Immigrant Predators, GOP Bill PASSES w/Ned Ryun

Summary

Timcast IRL: Democrats Vote To PROTECT Illegal Immigrant Predators, GOP Bill PASSES w/Ned Ryan Release Date: January 17, 2025

Hosts and Guests:

• Tim Pool – Host of Timcast IRL
• Ned Ryan – Founder and CEO of American Majority
• Libby Emmons – Representative from The Post Millennial
• Phil Labonte – Lead singer of All That Remains

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Introduction

The episode kicks off with Tim Pool discussing the latest on ABC’s new series "Will Trent" before transitioning to the pressing political news. Tim introduces the central topic: a GOP-introduced bill aimed at deporting illegal immigrants accused of heinous crimes, highlighting the significant opposition from Democrats.

Notable Quote:

• Tim Pool (00:26): "Republicans today introduced a bill coming from Nancy Mace to deport illegal immigrants accused of... crimes of a particular nature that we find to be heinous, if you know what I mean."

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GOP Bill to Deport Illegal Immigrants Convicted of Crimes

The core discussion revolves around the GOP's new legislation introduced by Nancy Mace, designed to deport illegal immigrants convicted of serious crimes. This bill saw a substantial bipartisan support with 145 Democrats voting against it.

Key Points:

• Bill Details: Targets illegal immigrants accused of heinous crimes, particularly focusing on sexual offenses.
• Democratic Opposition: 145 Democrats opposed the bill, reflecting ongoing partisan divides.
• Ned Ryan's Insights (05:16): "They clearly don't think you should deport illegal pedophiles. This is the insanity of what's taking place."

Notable Quotes:

• Ned Ryan (05:16): "This guy should just get a plane sent back to where he came from."
• Libby Emmons (06:07): "They're demons. They hate America."

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Administrative State and Trump's Potential Actions

Ned Ryan elaborates on the concept of the administrative state, advocating for its dismantling to restore constitutional governance. He emphasizes the role of President Donald Trump in potentially enforcing stricter immigration policies, including the deportation of millions of illegal immigrants who entered under the previous administration.

Key Points:

• Administrative State Critique: The overreach of unelected bureaucrats undermines presidential authority.
• Trump’s Strategy: Utilizing key figures like Tom Holman and Stephen Miller to enforce deportations.
• Future Outlook: Emphasis on President Trump's commitment to using political power to effect change.

Notable Quotes:

• Ned Ryan (11:02): "Almost not having a two-party system and being a single-party state is what Democrats are trying to do."
• Phil Labonte (07:58): "They just want to give the government more power, regardless of the consequences."

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Censorship, Elon Musk, and Asmongold Conflict

The discussion shifts to the recent clash between Elon Musk and Asmongold, a prominent streamer. Tim Pool explains accusations that Musk censored Asmongold over cheating claims, tying it into broader narratives of tech censorship and corporate overreach.

Key Points:

• Elon Musk Controversy: Allegations of censoring a popular gamer, amplifying concerns about platform control.
• Corporate Press Narrative: Stories suggest a pattern of silencing conservative voices.
• Impact on Free Speech: Raises questions about the balance between moderation and censorship on tech platforms.

Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool (31:29): "The point is, I don't care who you are. China should not be implementing algorithms that manipulate the worldview of the American people."
• Phil Labonte (48:22): "There’s nothing wrong in my opinion with banning people and stuff like that."

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FBI Shutting Down DEI Office

The episode highlights the FBI's decision to shut down its Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) office ahead of Trump's inauguration. This move is perceived as an effort to curb the influence of what the hosts describe as the "woke mind virus" infiltrating federal agencies.

Key Points:

• DEI Office Closure: Seen as a step towards eliminating progressive influences within the FBI.
• Redistribution of Personnel: Suggestion to reassign DEI officials to remote locations to minimize impact.
• Ned Ryan’s Proposal (76:18): Creation of a "Department of Elimination" to remove entrenched bureaucratic positions.

Notable Quotes:

• Ned Ryan (76:18): "The Supreme Court will say, yes, we agree with you, and then Donald Trump can become the demolition man for the administrative state."
• Phil Labonte (21:47): "We know that when corporations move their headquarters, it downsizes by about 20%."

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Cultural and Moral Values: The Role of Religion and Traditionalism

The conversation delves into the erosion of traditional Judeo-Christian values and its impact on American society. The hosts argue that the decline in religious adherence has led to a loss of moral compasses, resulting in increased societal fragmentation and support for progressive policies that undermine conventional norms.

Key Points:

• Loss of Religious Foundation: Attribution of societal issues to the decline of orthodox religious practices.
• Moral Relativism: Critique of the modern embrace of subjective truths over objective moral standards.
• Impact on Governance: Emphasis on restoring absolute moral principles to guide policy and societal behavior.

Notable Quotes:

• Libby Emmons (75:57): "We've taken away the moral values, we've taken away civic society, we've taken away civility."
• Phil Labonte (94:25): "Living your life according to the Bible’s teachings creates a society that works out better."

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Takeaways and Conclusions

The episode concludes with a broader reflection on the future of American politics and society. The hosts express concern over the growing influence of progressive authoritarianism and the potential for further governmental overreach. They emphasize the urgent need to restore constitutional principles, prioritize national interests, and combat what they perceive as a pervasive "woke" ideology.

Key Points:

• Urgency of Action: Emphasis on the need for immediate measures to counteract administrative overreach and progressive policies.
• Future Projections: Predictions of increasing governmental control and cultural shift towards progressive authoritarianism.
• Call to Action: Encouragement for listeners to support conservative initiatives and engage in political activism to preserve traditional values.

Notable Quotes:

• Ned Ryan (85:00): "We need to make sure that these kids get access to good, clean information."
• Tim Pool (89:43): "Don't give Planet Fitness money. Avoid it."

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Member and Community Engagement

Throughout the episode, Tim Pool promotes the show's membership program, encouraging listeners to join the Timcast community for exclusive content and participation in discussions. Additionally, guests like Ned Ryan and Phil Labonte highlight their respective projects and future endeavors, fostering a sense of community among like-minded individuals.

Notable Mentions:

• American Majority Action: Ned Ryan’s initiative to train candidates for state and local offices.
• Phil Labonte’s Band Promotion: Upcoming album "Antifragile" and related content.

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Summary

In this episode of Timcast IRL, Tim Pool and his guests engage in a robust discussion on the GOP's new immigration bill aimed at deporting illegal immigrants convicted of serious crimes, highlighting deep partisan divides. They critique the expanding administrative state and advocate for President Trump’s potential role in reversing these trends. The conversation touches on the conflict between Elon Musk and Asmongold as a case study of corporate censorship, the FBI's closure of the DEI office, and the broader societal decline attributed to the erosion of traditional religious values. The hosts call for immediate action to restore constitutional principles and combat progressive authoritarianism, emphasizing the importance of community support and political activism.

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Links and Resources:

• Join Timcast: timcast.com
• American Majorities' Book: American Leviathan: Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism
• Phil Labonte's Music: Available on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, and Diesel.

Thank you for tuning in to this episode of Timcast IRL. Stay informed, stay engaged, and support the movement towards restoring traditional American values.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Will, Talk to me. Abc Tuesday. They took his daughter.

[Ned Ryan]

She's coming home alive.

[Phil Labonte]

Will Trent, the series critics are calling powerful.

[Tim Pool]

Must see TV continues to thrill. Shouldn't we strategize before we go in there? If we screw up this case, a.

[Phil Labonte]

Cop killer walks free with the riveting conclusion to a two part season premiere. Tbi Help me get down Will tread.

[Tim Pool]

All new Tuesday on ABC and stream on Hulu. Republicans today introduced a bill coming from Nancy Mace to deport illegal immigrants accused of. Let's just keep it light for the first 30 seconds, shall we? Crimes of a particular nature that we find to be heinous, if you know what I mean. 145 Democrats voted against it for some reason. And it's not the first time they tried doing this, but we have questions. Ladies and gentlemen, we're a couple days away from President Donald J. Trump, and it seems like the Democratic Party's not learning a thing. So I guess I'm feeling good. I mean, it feels really bad to see that they are insane. You'd kind of wish they would moderate and figure out why Trump won in the first place, but I guess it's a good sign considering we have a midterm to worry about in a couple of years and we don't want Republicans to lose that one. So we got this news and then it's a weird story, but of course it's making the rounds. Elon Musk versus asmongold. I know many of you are probably like, what, curtains for Zushka? No, no, no, that's a meme. But Elon Musk was accused of censoring a prominent video game streamer who accused him of cheating. I don't know if that's true, but the story is pretty wild. And the only reason it's actually news is because recently Elon Musk was accused of censoring people over H1B. So there is this narrative emerging that the corporate press has picked up and everyone's asking questions about. So we'll talk about that. Plus FBI shutting down their DEI office. Pretty crazy. And then, I don't know, it's a slow news day, so we'll talk about aliens. I guess before we get started, my friends head over to cast brew.com, pick up some Cast Brew coffee. I should stop promoting Ian's graphene dream. He sold 2,000 over. No, I'm sorry. He sold over a thousand. Like 1300 bags already. Maybe like 1,200 bags of this stuff. His graphene dream coffee that everybody can't seem to get enough of Casper.com if you want to support the show. Also head over to timcast.com click join us, become a member to support our work directly and you'll get access to the members only Discord server where there is a whole bunch of awesome content. Morning shows, pre shows, the After Dark show, shout out to Roman Nation, a podcast born from the Tim Cast Discord Server. When you join the Discord server you're hanging out with like minded individuals, you're making friends over 20,000 people and they're all waiting for you to join. And you'll get access to our members only uncensored show and our entire library of members only uncensored content where you as members get to actually call in and talk to us and the guests. A lot of fun. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Ned Ryan.

[Ned Ryan]

Great to be with you. Yeah, no, I'm excited. It's been a couple years. Couple years and even though it seems like a slow news cycle, we will make sure that it's an exciting episode as we discuss many things indeed.

[Tim Pool]

We have some funny clips. We do funny clips.

[Ned Ryan]

And also I, I, I'd love to talk some of these nomination confirmation hearings. I mean it really. I mean as you, you, you said Democrats appear to be lost but they're a game if they're bringing their a game. It is a pretty sad a game and I think, I think it is the right game and it's pretty cool.

[Tim Pool]

What do you do? What do you do for those who don't know you?

[Ned Ryan]

So founder and CEO of American we identify and train people to run for state and local office. So anything from school board to state senate, anything between city council, county commission. Also run a software database software program, Photogravity, American Majority Action. We did a significant absentee ballot generation and chase project this last year in Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, North Carolina. Significant and I do some writing new book out American Leviathan, Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism and just really the history of where this administrative state started. And I think one of the biggest fights that's going to take place over the next four years is what Donald Trump does with this deeply unconstitutional, un American authoritarian administrative state.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Well, should be fun. Thanks for hang out. Libby is here.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm Libby Emmons. I'm you guys were making fun of me because my kid makes fun of me for my intro.

[Tim Pool]

So you said a different way now.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, like I'm Libby Emmons from The Post Millennial. And I'm glad to be here, guys.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a story from the post millennial breaking. 145 Democrats vote against bill to deport illegal immigrants convicted of sex crimes. A bipartisan group of lawmakers voted for the bill with the legislation passing with 274 votes. No, no, no. This must be a mistake. You know how they do these bills where it'll be called, like the Save the Puppies bill, and then it actually just bans ice cream? And you're like, what? This. This bill must be about something else, right? Certainly Democrats wouldn't vote to protect illegal immigrants who are convicted of sex crimes. No.

[Phil Labonte]

Maybe they might.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe they might.

[Ned Ryan]

They clearly don't think you should deport illegal pedophiles. This is the insanity of what's taking place. I mean, did you see Gavin Newsom recently? And the Democrats in California have decided to put together this $50 million slush fund in which 25 million of it is going to be spent specifically to fight any deportation efforts.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes. To protect illegal immigrants.

[Ned Ryan]

Right. They have definitely decided by Tom Holman. Yeah, they have definitely decided. We are going to side with the 10 million plus illegals, of which not only do we have illegal immigrants convicted of sex crimes, illegal pedophiles, I think there's 660,000 illegal immigrants that have criminal records that have come in in the last four years. And Democrats are siding with them over the American people. You have to question where their loyalties lie. And I don't think it's with the American people.

[Libby Emmons]

I think that's exactly right. You had Tom Homan very clearly saying that the way he was gonna begin conducting deportations was to go to the jails and say, okay, if you have somebody who's been arrested for crimes, those are the people we're gonna deport. But the Democrats really have said repeatedly that they're not in favor of any deportations. You even had Mayorkas saying that very clearly throughout all four years.

[Ned Ryan]

But why?

[Libby Emmons]

Because they say they're demons.

[Ned Ryan]

Well, they hate America.

[Libby Emmons]

They're demons. They hate America. But they also have these logical reasons, which they say is that it would be too expensive to round people up and deport them. They're opposed to this whole family separation thing, which, as we know, Tom Homan had quite the answer for, which was.

[Ned Ryan]

Keep them all together. No, this is if you think about. Well, first of all, it's because they hate America. They hate our way of life. If you, if you think about it, what they are doing in destroying our border and our, our southern border and immigration system, if you can even call it an immigration system, because it's such a, such a mess. They don't want to have border security. They don't want to have sovereignty. They don't want to. They want to attack the very idea of what it means to be a citizen because they hate the American way of life. I mean, we're very unique people with a very unique Constitution. We have very unique traditions. And the American un. American left deeply hates and despises what most the American people have believed in and stood for for generations.

[Phil Labonte]

I really think that that point can't be, you know, driven home hard enough. And I think that more people need to articulate that. The left just ideologically does not like America. They don't like representative government. They want direct democracy. They don't like the limitations on the government that, that the Constitution places. They want a government that can do whatever they want because they believe that the government can. If you just give the government power. The government, whatever. They believe that the government could make the moon into green cheese if you just give them the power.

[Tim Pool]

But they don't.

[Libby Emmons]

They don't think that the government can conduct deportations.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, they, they do, but the re. But they won't. They won't admit that.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, you had Mayorkas. He said, what exactly does it mean to remove an individual? What resources, what process? What will the funding be? What if they claim that they're afraid under current laws, what process will they be given? What judge grants their claim?

[Tim Pool]

It's, it's all stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

It's all about. It's all. None of it is real. That is all just about power. They don't want the conservatives to do that. So they will come up with whatever excuse they possibly can to dissuade conservatives to try to convince people that they can't do it. It has nothing to do what they actually, with what they actually believe, because they, they don't actually believe any of that.

[Ned Ryan]

And it can be done. If there's a will, there's a way. And I think Donald Trump is going to unleash Tom Holman and Stephen Miller to actually go after and begin doing this. And the initial starting point is, are the illegals with criminal records. That's the starting point. And then he just keeps on going and doesn't stop until he's Got at least the 10 or 12 million, whatever it is that came in under Biden because not only doing this because they hate our way of life, our Constitution, our traditions, all of these things. They were doing it to import new voters, let's be honest. They were trying to bring in a completely new voter base and any Republican. And we all know that not all Republicans are created equally. They come in all shapes, form sizes, chamber of Commerce types, all the way to America first types. Every last Republican, for the sake of self preservation, should absolutely endorse the idea of deporting every last illegal that has come in over the last four years.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Ned Ryan]

If they want to actually have a two party system instead of being a single party state, because that's exactly what Democrats are trying to do.

[Phil Labonte]

And the American people want that. There was, there have been multiple polls.

[Ned Ryan]

One of the main issues.

[Phil Labonte]

70% of the American people are comfortable with deportations. Not just, okay, we're going to round up the criminals, go to the, go to jails and go to prisons and get the criminals that are, that are not American citizens, but they're comfortable with getting everyone that's not an American citizen and getting them out of the country. And I think that that is perfectly reasonable for a pop for a population to have that position. It is. There is nothing extreme about a population that says the people that are here must be citizens. And if you came into the country illegally, then we are, we are empowered or the government should be empowered to remove, physically remove you.

[Ned Ryan]

Well now, as, as I think it was, Obama so famously said, elections have consequences.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely.

[Ned Ryan]

Donald Trump won. Donald Trump was not shy about what he intended to do in regards to illegal immigration and deportation. And guess what? First Republican to win the popular vote in 20 years. First Republican to win 311 electoral votes since 1988, I believe, and obviously the first non successive president since Grover Cleveland. This was a historical election in which it was very bright, clear lines about what each one of the candidates was offering.

[Phil Labonte]

People saw what it was. People remember what it was.

[Ned Ryan]

They chose him definitively.

[Phil Labonte]

Exactly. They remember what it was like when Donald Trump was president from 2017 to 2020. They remember what it was like from when Joe Biden got into office until today. And they specifically made the decision. We don't like what the Democrats have been.

[Ned Ryan]

Can I say one thing? This is the thing that has troubled me greatly about Republicans. I've been in D.C. for about 25 years now. Republicans don't know what to do with political power. Most of them the American, well, the American People give them political power for a reason. Donald Trump is different from every other Republican because he understands I have been given political power. I was voted in on very clear issues. I fully intend to use the political power. And I think he's going to have people around him in departments and agencies once they're confirmed that we'll have the exact same approach. We were elected for a reason to actually affect change and use political power as it should be used.

[Phil Labonte]

I agree with you. I think that's the proper, not only is the proper diagnosis, I think that it's the proper course of action by, by Donald Trump and the people that he appoints. But just for context, I want to point out that like the small government people are the Republicans. So even, even if you're a, Unless you're like, well, I mean, even if you're, if you're a small government person.

[Libby Emmons]

Like the new people are maga.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, and historically Republicans have been afraid to use, not willing to, Unwilling to use government power. Cuz the argument has been if we do it, then the left will do it. Well, guess what? The left is gonna do it either way. So you have to. I used to be very, very libertarian minded and there's still some, some parts of my political opinions that are libertarian. But I've moved significantly away from libertarianism because of the fact that if you. Just because one side says we don't want to use this power, you. There is no Mordor to throw the ring into. There's nowhere to get rid of the power.

[Tim Pool]

This is why I've been saying for the past couple of weeks, the slippery, slippery slope goes in every single direction. If you do not use the power, they will use it in horrifying ways. When you use the power, they're going to tell you. But the slippery slope, what if they start. No, no, no, no, no. We have to, we have to ban bad things that we don't like, like illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes. Got to go, right?

[Ned Ryan]

One of my, one of my great frustrations, the left views politics. The religious zealots, right? It's the religion. In many ways. They are religious zealots. We're going to take that political power and by God, we are going to fundamentally change this country. Our problem has been for too long, until Donald Trump showed up, too many careerists in Republican circles were like, oh, we're going to go to D.C. we're going to have a really cool career. We'll trim around the edges. We're not going to really use power to fundamentally change anything. And then once we've had a cool career, we'll move on. Well, it's about time we had our own religious zealots or our own people that actually knew what to do with political power to fundamentally change well and restore the republic.

[Tim Pool]

The right has religious devotees, and I would say historically, if you go back a long enough period of time, people were very fervent about maintaining those values. But the reason we are where we are today is because Christians turned the other cheek over and over and over again.

[Libby Emmons]

That's right. Not this Christian.

[Tim Pool]

Not you. No, but look at the.

[Ned Ryan]

There's a big streak of Old Testament in me.

[Tim Pool]

It was tolerance. This is why I say it once again. The slippery slope goes in every direction. When Christians very much said, we're going to leave people to do their thing and mind their business, and if they choose, they can find faith. If not, whatever. You end up with these books in schools, right? Illegal immigrants being protected who are convicted of sex crimes being protected by Democrats because you give them an inch, you take a mile.

[Ned Ryan]

And that's not justice.

[Libby Emmons]

It's not just the.

[Tim Pool]

It's not.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, no, I mean, but it's not just the illegal immigrants who are being protected. You have, you know, groomy teachers who are being protected. You have, you know, sex offenders all over the place being protected. But one thing that you said, Ned, that I think is really interesting is you said that, you know, to the left, politics is religion, and to them, voting Democrat is like taking the Eucharist, you know what I mean? Like, it is a moral thing, and they can't understand a world in which they have to go against that morality. And I think one thing that we're seeing now with these LA fires is I think a lot of people who are very left are looking at this saying maybe this wasn't the way to go.

[Ned Ryan]

They're religious people. They. They have their own religious beliefs.

[Libby Emmons]

They're religious about their politics.

[Ned Ryan]

No, but they're. I'm sorry, Every. Every human being in this world has a. Has a set of presuppositions and biases by which they view the world around them. They have a set of creeds and beliefs by which they then judge something to be right or wrong.

[Libby Emmons]

Everyone worships. Sure.

[Ned Ryan]

Right. So the left has that. And this is what really frustrates me in the whole world, what we believe in science. Well, no, you don't really, because you don't even believe in basic biology. But they have a certain faith system, and their faith is built in the state. They think the State is salvation. It's something that you mentioned earlier where, I mean, from the early beginning of the progressive movement, they felt that all power, the state should subsume everything, individuals, corporations, because the state was salvation and would bring salvation to the rest of society.

[Libby Emmons]

They had for Obamacare. The advertising for Obamacare was one lady partnered with the government for her whole life.

[Ned Ryan]

That's been their plan for the last 100 plus years. And here we are. And people I think have been a little confused since Donald Trump showed up, what is going on in D.C. like, how did we end up where the duly elected president was, was essentially targeted by his DOJ FBI intel community to take out the duly elected president United States. It was a clash of very different worldviews and governing philosophies. Constitutional republic versus administrative state. But people were wondering, why do these unelected bureaucrats think they should decide? Well, that was the point from day one. And it was Donald Trump showing up and saying, I reject the premise that this is legitimate that has led to all this conflict. If you were to look back over the last eight or nine years, all of the conflict, Russian collusion hoax, Ukrainian quid pro quo hoax, everything political lawfare comes down to one thing, who decides. And Donald Trump showed him, said, I'm the duly elected president United States. I'm the one who decides. And the unelected bureaucrats, the administrative state said, no, we don't think so. We think, we decide. And actually, technically, they were right because of everything that's been going on the last hundred years.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the Daily Wire. It just gets worse. Connecticut parole board pardons illegal migrant pedophile who said he might reoffend. Indeed, take a look at this. A convicted pedophile and illegal migrant was released from a Connecticut prison last month after a sympathetic parole board mulled how to best help him avoid deportation. The Trump administration, the parole board decided, would not be able to get its act together fast enough to deport the illegal immigrant pedophile before his 30 day immigration detainer runs out. They can't elect a Speaker of the House. One board member scoffed. Guarino Magloray, pronounce it 52, was serving five years in prison for felony second degree sexual assault against a child between 13 and 15 years old. He was convicted of sexually assaulting the child on March 11, 2020, just as pandemic lockdowns were starting. During his parole hearing, he said he cannot promise he will not offend again. He score Maglore scored as a moderate to high risk on an evaluation used to predict whether a male sexual offender will re offend. Despite red flags, the parole board released him that day from Carl Robinson Correctional Institution north of Hartford. And once again, it's because they wanted to help him avoid getting deported. That's insane to me. This guy should just get a, you know, we do. We bring him to a plane, we put him on a plane and say, we're gonna send you back to where.

[Libby Emmons]

You know what the other thing, too, is like, he's probably shocked that he's not getting deported, because obviously he should get deported. And he's probably like these. Not cursing these fools, you know, are just letting me back on the street so I can molest more children. How exciting for me. What idio.

[Ned Ryan]

Not. Not only is it idiotic, asinine, it's deeply immoral. Yes. I mean, this is the one thing going back to what we were talking about earlier. Nationalism is the moral imperative of every leader inside of a nation. And by that, I mean prioritizing the nation's interests and the people of that nation's interests. In what world does that prioritize the interests of our nation's people? It does not. And I think the immorality that we have seen on display, not only from Democrats in this kind of absurd, crazy, insane behavior, it's Republicans as well, who have not prioritized the American people.

[Tim Pool]

Well, this. I mean, I look at it largely as you go back a few generations, and the further you go back, the more Christian this nation was. The previous generations were turning the other cheek, tolerating behavior like this. And this is my point about the slippery slope. It exists. It exists no matter what you do. So right now, with the Supreme Court makeup that we have and the policies that are advancing, it seems to me like Obergefell will get overturned. Would you agree on that one?

[Ned Ryan]

I think so. I think there's. I think there's some cases that I hope the Trump campaign, the Trump administration begins pushing immediately.

[Tim Pool]

But, but, but they don't even need to. A liberal group will file a lawsuit on behalf of someone.

[Ned Ryan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

It'll get challenged to a federal court, the Supreme Court. It will have to do with the president of Obergefell. And the Supreme Court will say, we hereby overturn Obergefell. Gay marriage are no longer recognized in states unless they pass it in their legislators.

[Ned Ryan]

I would. I wouldn't mind some of these cases being accelerated by the Trump administration actually generating some of these challenges asap.

[Libby Emmons]

I think real quick, Bostock overturned before Oberge fell.

[Ned Ryan]

You know what I want to see.

[Libby Emmons]

Happen all of it. You just.

[Ned Ryan]

Well, no, no. Day one. I'm serious. I think this is going to be one of the most important things that takes place in the four years we have Trump and hopefully we have power for 12 years, but. But we'll settle for four. For right now, Trump needs to fire hundreds of thousands of federal employees.

[Libby Emmons]

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[Ned Ryan]

And begin the process. No, begin the process by which he goes through the courts. He'll do that. The federal employee unions, which is insane that we even have.

[Libby Emmons]

They shouldn't even be.

[Ned Ryan]

They shouldn't. FDR agreed with us, by the way.

[Libby Emmons]

He thought that was absolutely insane.

[Ned Ryan]

They'll sue. There'll be a stay 18 months, two years. Gets to the Supreme Court. Gets to the Supreme Court. And the fundamental question is this. Does the head of the Article 2 executive branch, the duly elected President United States, get to hire and fire whoever he wants to inside the Article II branch where most of the administrative state resides? And I think the Supreme Court will say, yes, we agree with you. And then Donald Trump can become the demolition man for the administrative state. But he's got to move on it quick because I think 18 months to two years might be a short route. It might be longer.

[Phil Labonte]

What's your opinion on getting the bureaucracies out of D.C. so I love it. Get the. Get. Get a, you know, break up.

[Ned Ryan]

I want to send agriculture to North Dakota.

[Libby Emmons]

You mean like how Facebook move content moderation to Texas?

[Ned Ryan]

We know that when corporations move their headquarters simply by moving them, about 20% of the workforce, it's downsized simply by moving the headquarters. So, yeah, move agriculture to North Dakota, move some another department to Kansas, and break apart the leviathan that's residing in D.C. right now. And by doing that, I think you reduce it by 20% right out of the gate.

[Phil Labonte]

Astounding.

[Ned Ryan]

And I think Trump might actually go for that approach. I think there is kind of all of the above approach in regards to we have to deal with this bureaucracy. I think it is the thing. I think a lot of the issues that we're facing today in D.C. but the country writ large have to deal with this massive bureaucracy that thinks it's going to dictate to the American people, this is how you're going to live your life?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, yeah, and they've been doing that for a while. And they haven't just been doing it in the US but under the Biden administration and Obama, they were doing that globally. They were tying all kinds of funds to, like, okay, now you have. Now Hungary, you have a whole LGBTQ thing. And when. When the people in those nations push back, you know, the administrations get angry and, you know, start working with the subversive groups in that country to push their agenda forward. I remember I was at a UN thing on the status of women a couple years ago, and there were these women from Rwanda saying, why do you guys keep pushing abortion on us? We just had a genocide. We want our babies.

[Ned Ryan]

Isn't. Isn't it interesting how America, the position that we have in the world right now, we can either be a great force for good or evil, or we can be a force for evil.

[Libby Emmons]

And we've been evil just too much.

[Ned Ryan]

We have. And we've gone in and we have started to deconstruct the moral and cultural fabric of these various countries because of the woke mind virus that has taken over in these bureaucracies in which they decide we're going to dictate not only to this country, but to others around the world with obviously, strings attached to funding and to grants that you're going to actually implement these woke agendas because we say so.

[Libby Emmons]

I think a lot of it has to do with the complete demolition of religion. Yes. You know, because if you look at the way that religion was practiced, the way that Orthodox. This is something.

[Ned Ryan]

I was just reading Orthodox Christianity, the.

[Libby Emmons]

Way that, like, Orthodox religion is practiced. You know, Orthodox religion, Orthodox Judaism, you make. Everything in your life has to do with how you practice your faith. And so everything, every basic thing, is imbued with meaning. And so you go out into the world with confidence that you are practicing a life that is full of meaning and hope and faith just because of those small gestures. And when we take that away, we're all just out here struggling, trying to find meaning in something or other, and nobody can find it anywhere. And so they do this nonsense.

[Ned Ryan]

I think. I think it was Sartre, French philosopher, who said, every. A finite point without an infinite point of reference is pointless and absurd. And when you cut the cord to the transcendent, you do eventually devolve into this theater of the absurd in which you just make up things as you go. There aren't any absolutes I think at some point it was Francis Schaefer who I love, who once said, if there are no absolutes, society becomes absolute in whatever society says at that moment is what is well.

[Libby Emmons]

And his play, Sasha's play no Exit exemplified that.

[Ned Ryan]

So I think, I think we do have to come. I mean this country was founded on a common set of ideals and principles and values. And it'd be nice if we got back to that where we get a basic agreement on fundamental issues in which we say these are right, these are wrong. Well, this is what the country was founded on.

[Phil Labonte]

Isn't, isn't the. If the government exists to facilitate a happy, successful and fulfilled population, like why doesn't it focus on, on normal families? Why is the. I mean obviously I personally, I mean I have my own, my own intuition as to why, but like the idea of, of centering the marginalized, marginalized lifestyles, you should be focusing on normal families. Especially when everyone knows that the, the, the birth rate in, in the US is on the decline and has been demographic winter. We should be doing everything that we can to encourage the population to have more kids and we should have policies that, and left.

[Ned Ryan]

That lefties minds are going to melt when I say this, but we should look at Hungary's approach to what they're doing with policy. Again, this goes back to when you have political power. Why don't you use it to actually implement things that are beneficial to society and actually cause fundamental change? Yeah, I think Hungary spends about 5% of its GDP on actually promoting policies that strengthen the family, encourage growth of the family. And you're seeing it play out in their society. I'm like, we should do the same. We should spend a certain percentage of our GDP towards actually strengthening and promoting the traditional family and actually strengthening families. Strong fathers, mothers, strong households.

[Phil Labonte]

This isn't an argument against Social Security or against the, the, the mandatory spending that we have. But like if we can spend the amount of money that we spend on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, we can spend some money on young people trying to encourage them to have children and raise them in a way that makes them want to have children of their own.

[Ned Ryan]

Libby, there was something you said about the idea of orthodox religion being in our lives. And one of the things that of course Christianity, I think Judaism and some of the other orthodox religions teach is the idea of self governance. And I remind people all of the time we are a self governing Republican. People think, well that's great. The American people are governing themselves well. Self government is based off Individual self governance and the idea of actually having a faith and religious influence on the idea that. Yeah, at some point someday you're going to have to give an accounting to a transcendent creator. There are eternal rewards and punishments for that behavior. The idea of self people.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Then leads to better self government in which people are governing themselves. And the more people govern themselves internally, the less government you're going to need to actually bring.

[Libby Emmons]

We don't do that now. I mean, that's like, you know, we were talking, we were talking about a little bit like that before the show. We've, we've eradicated the notion of shame. We've elevated our most base desires to our entitled. Right, right. Like that's what we believe.

[Ned Ryan]

Celebrated it.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, we've celebrated it. We, you know, one thing that we've, we've inherited from reality TV shows is this idea that if you don't like someone, you should be a total horror to them all the time. You should just be mean to them to their face. And that's ridiculous too. You, there's this idea that you're supposed to show up at Thanksgiving and be nasty to your family because you disagree with them about federal politics. I mean, come on, like, is there anything more stupid than arguing with your family over federal politics?

[Tim Pool]

I feel blessed.

[Libby Emmons]

It's ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

I've got liberal family members and they aren't insane. And it doesn't come up. We just eat turkey.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, I think that's good.

[Ned Ryan]

That's good.

[Tim Pool]

You know what it is though? I do think it's the older generation, the grandparents who are just like, stop.

[Ned Ryan]

We'Re not doing this.

[Tim Pool]

Shut up. We're not doing this. And I have concerns for when they pass on what's going to end up happening because I do think a lot of the political bifurcation in this country, it's massive in the younger generations, it's moderate in the millennial, middle aged generations, Gen Xers. And then it is almost not existent in the oldest generations. So if you look back at, you know, when boomers were in their 30s or whatever, which is like what, the 90s, the, the differences between the Democrat and Republican Party were slim. You look today, it's massive. And despite the fact that the parties are still largely run by the same people, you do have younger people coming in. And the younger people tend to be the firebrands. Yep. Totally on opposite ends, not getting along. So when the older generation moves on, I don't know what happens to this country. I mean, maybe right now with the concern, I Have is Donald Trump only won because of one generation. And your generation.

[Libby Emmons]

That was Gen X.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Libby Emmons]

That's right. We saved the world, baby.

[Tim Pool]

Sure did. And so Gen X is going to hold on with a death grip.

[Libby Emmons]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

And double down for the next 10 or 20 years because boomers will be leaving us.

[Libby Emmons]

I got my keys around my neck.

[Tim Pool]

Gen Z and Gen Alpha, man. We need to make sure that these. These kids get access to good, clean information. And as an aside, I'm looking forward to seeing TikTok go belly up.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't. I don't think it's happening.

[Ned Ryan]

So drive by TikTok. By shooting.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think it is. The Biden administration said they were going to leave it to the Trump administration to influence.

[Tim Pool]

TikTok is choosing to shut down.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, they're shutting down anyway.

[Ned Ryan]

They're choosing.

[Tim Pool]

There's no. There's no bill for.

[Libby Emmons]

What do you think the Supreme Court's gonna say? I think they're gonna.

[Tim Pool]

Decision day was Wednesday.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. But they didn't decide.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Which means that nothing's gonna happen until TikTok makes a decision to shut down.

[Libby Emmons]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

They could. They could theoretically do a preliminary injunction. But it sounds like.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think the.

[Tim Pool]

It sounds like the Supreme Court was saying, why would we.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, they don't think the algorithm is speech. They don't think.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, China doesn't have free speech. That's it. Period.

[Libby Emmons]

But they didn't buy it. The Supreme Court did not buy TikTok's argument.

[Tim Pool]

Right. But the Supreme Court, many of. Many of the members, actually said, yet no, China has no constitutional protected speech.

[Libby Emmons]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

It doesn't matter. Algorithm is meaningless. We don't give foreign countries free speech rights from foreign countries into the United States. So, anyway, I digress. I was not trying to reignite the whole TikTok thing.

[Libby Emmons]

No, I'm happy to talk about it. I think it's fascinating. I listen to all those arguments.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we can. But I want to talk about this. We got this clip from Real Clear Politics, ladies and gentlemen. You want to watch? Let me say this. Elizabeth Warren was challenging Pete Hegseth. Okay.

[Ned Ryan]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Are we in the weeds on politics on this one? And she was basically like, you think generals, you know, shouldn't serve for 10 years and you won't make that pledge today. And Hegseth is just like, I'm not a general senator.

[Ned Ryan]

Make money. They can't. 10 years.

[Libby Emmons]

Be lobbyists.

[Ned Ryan]

Be lobbyists. 10 year moratorium.

[Tim Pool]

And she asked him if we'd make the pledge. And he's like, I'm not a general. And then everyone laughs.

[Ned Ryan]

I was in the room.

[Tim Pool]

It was hilarious.

[Ned Ryan]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Now, that is an example. I give you another one. This one is Senator Ron Wyden, who makes a ridiculous claim and instantly gets roasted in a rather hilarious way. Speaking of China. Or you reduce carbon, the bigger your tax savings.

[Ned Ryan]

Now, there is a big effort in the Trump administration to reverse it. I think that's going to be bad.

[Phil Labonte]

For the economy, but it is going.

[Tim Pool]

To be damn good for China because.

[Ned Ryan]

We are in an arms race on clean energy with them. Are you going to be on the.

[Tim Pool]

Side of people who want to unravel this? Senator, the Senator Wyden, just so we.

[Ned Ryan]

Can frame this for everyone in the room.

[Tim Pool]

China will build 100 new coal plants this year. There is not a clean energy race.

[Ned Ryan]

There is an energy race.

[Tim Pool]

China will build 10 nuclear plants this year. That is not solar. I am in favor of more nuclear plants. And I would note that the ira, as scored by the cbo, is wildly out of control in terms of spending. On the upside. Well, it's just. It's so great.

[Libby Emmons]

It was great.

[Tim Pool]

China is not trying to do clean anything.

[Ned Ryan]

No, but they are trying. The irony here is. Well, first of all, I'm. I'm happy that he said nuclear. He's all for it. I think that is our future. If you really want clean energy, that's what we've got to start. Our approach has to be the interesting thing about this whole. We're in a clean energy race. China. China has no interest, Clearly. They're building 100 coal plants, all this stuff. What they're trying to do is get everybody else to go onto the solar and the evs, because guess what? They're the ones that are actually producing a lot of those things.

[Libby Emmons]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

Look.

[Ned Ryan]

And then all of a sudden, you become dependent on China.

[Tim Pool]

You guys see this picture? This story was posted in 2014. This is virtual sunlight in Tiananmen Square. Instead of seeing a sunrise, they put up a gigantic screen to show a sunrise because the smog is so bad. China. China's not doing clean anything. They don't care. Their attitude is largely, quote, it's our turn now. Yes, you industrialized now. We industrialize, and you can't stop us.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I said this a couple times on the show. It's like, if people in the United States are actually that. With. With the. The green revolution or whatever, then you don't. You don't want to focus Your attention here, you want to focus your attention on India and China because both of Those countries have 1.5 billion people and they are not fully industrialized like the United States is.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, the other thing too, like when, when the US says we're going to pull back on our climate, we're going to pull back on our emissions and all of that stuff, it's just another way to say we are going to subsume ourselves to minorities globally. Except they're not minorities. We're the minority.

[Ned Ryan]

I think we need to start looking at energy policy as a national security.

[Libby Emmons]

I think that's a great idea issue.

[Ned Ryan]

No, we have to, because if you actually of your own, you capitulate and say we're going to go down the EV path, we're going to do solar. All of these things again, I think is 90 plus percent China is actually producing in the world market of, of EV batteries and I think solar panels as well. You are going to basically subject yourself because they will be providing your energy. If we go down that path, God forbid. And then all sudden energy policy is national security and there is no national security. Like at some point we have to get these, these people who are pushing us to go down this path and say, you are pushing us down a path of being subservient to China, not the distant future. Sadly, in a relatively short term, if we're not careful.

[Phil Labonte]

That's an argument that I heard Marco Rubio making today, that if we don't do something then I, I, he probably wasn't making it today, he probably made it on Monday or whatever. But if we don't do something about our posture towards China, we're going to be depending on China for things that we desperately need, like all our medications, all kinds of things did penicillin.

[Ned Ryan]

I'm trying to remember what it is, but like 90 of our penicillin for the army, for the military is produced by China.

[Phil Labonte]

All that's anything that we need for our national security.

[Ned Ryan]

Like there's just so much stuff that is actually a national security issue.

[Tim Pool]

Why I think Tic Tac's got to go. Gotta go.

[Ned Ryan]

I don't disagree.

[Libby Emmons]

Get rid of it.

[Tim Pool]

No, I mean, divest from China. It's really simple. Look, there's a lot of people out there who say Trump is altruistic and he is motivated purely by the goodness of his own heart. And I'm like, well, hold on there a minute. Donald Trump certainly is motivated by, I think he's a good guy. I've seen him be nice to people he's been nice to me.

[Ned Ryan]

He's very. I think he's a nice guy, genuinely warm person.

[Tim Pool]

He is. But he's a human being who wants to accomplish things and feel good about the things he accomplishes. He's a guy who puts his name in giant gold letters on tops of buildings.

[Libby Emmons]

You've seen his signature.

[Tim Pool]

It's beautiful.

[Libby Emmons]

Very John.

[Tim Pool]

Beautiful signature. Yes, but so. So TikTok realizes censorship is. Is. Is. Is coming their way. Conservatives are upset about it. So what do they do? They put a flip on it, help Trump out a little bit, make Trump happy. And now Trump's backed off banning TikTok. We. I don't care who they're helping. I do not like the idea of China having influence over our young, younger generation.

[Libby Emmons]

I agree. Like it.

[Tim Pool]

The only reason Trump won is because of Gen X, not because of Gen Z. And now Trump's going, you know, I think maybe. Well, he invites the CEO of TikTok to his inauguration, says maybe we should hold off on banning it. And I'm like, here we go. Trump's going to get out of office. TikTok is going to go tenfold in the other direction, and we are all going to be worse off because of it.

[Ned Ryan]

I'm hoping. I think fundamentally, at its very core, Donald Trump is an old school. I love America. I love everything that has made this country great. I want to do everything, everything that will return us to greatness. I think at some point he's going to wake up and realize, I think it's Kellyanne, to be honest. I think Kellyanne Conway has been pushing some of this, really, for pro Tick tock. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So why do you think that is?

[Ned Ryan]

I think she's probably getting a consulting fee from them. From what I've seen. I think she's actually a lobbyist for them. She's also taken money from Ukrainians and all that stuff. That's. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. There's a problem with some folks in which they're taking money from interesting sources. That all to say, I think Trump's instincts are going to kick back in when he realizes I have to be consistent across the board on the issue of China. And I think TikTok is part of that being consistent. Right, Got it. No, we're not doing this.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

At some point it's going to kick back in.

[Tim Pool]

The concern that I have is TikTok doesn't allow or China doesn't allow TikTok in their own country. That's a red flag right there. TikTok has douyin they don't allow Tic Tac in their own country. Why? I think it's a weapon against young people. Even if 30% of the content is woke, they know they're creating an economic drag to the tune of 30% of the young people who follow that crackpot ideology, even if it's 5% right now. Don't get me wrong, in the United states, X, Facebook, YouTube, they have the same garbage ideology. But Americans are allowed to have that ideology. What we don't want is our foreign adversaries fanning the flames of an illogical, broken mental state that is wokeness so that our young people grow up and we end up with a story about a council woman in Massachusetts who's taking a month of leave because she's been misgendered.

[Libby Emmons]

They've been misgendered.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry.

[Ned Ryan]

Wokeness is weakness. And, and that I agree with this.

[Tim Pool]

Push this to an extreme degree. Until Trump said let's ban it. And then they kissed Trump's ass and now Trump says let's keep it.

[Ned Ryan]

No, I think we should, I think we should pull the thread a little bit on the whole. Wokeness is weakness. I mean, wokeness on energy policy is weakness. Again, going back to national security. But this whole idea of weakening. It's the mind virus in our future generation, our younger generations, and weakening them in the face of. I mean, I think we're in for some pretty challenging times on the international stage.

[Libby Emmons]

Trump had an executive order in his first term to ban TikTok.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, yes. And then it got blocked.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, it got blocked.

[Tim Pool]

Then it was out. It was only after October 7th when TikTok for some. So basically what happens is there was a very small footprint of Israel, Palestine content. And then seemingly over the course of a single weekend, it jumped to be 2 to 1, pro Palestine. All of a sudden you get this anti Israel content and Democrats and Republicans are like, oh, you know, because they love Israel. Now, I'm not here to make an argument. Israel, Palestine. The point is, I don't care who you are. China should not be implementing algorithms that manipulate the worldview of the American people. I don't like the corporations do it. The US government shouldn't do it. Yet here we are. One quick thing. Super chatter Ian said. Anyone else noticed Tim mirroring Trump Trump. I'm literally impersonating him.

[Libby Emmons]

That was the joke.

[Tim Pool]

I'm doing the Trump hands when I'm talking about Donald Trump.

[Ned Ryan]

Kellyanne Conway advocating for TikTok on Capitol Hill March of 2024 from Politico uh huh.

[Tim Pool]

And what was her daughter doing?

[Libby Emmons]

Probably doing like anti Israel stuff on Tick Tock.

[Tim Pool]

No, she was, she was doing a lot of this social media stuff and was heavily criticized for what she was posting.

[Ned Ryan]

I'm, I'm telling you there are some people that are taking some very weird consulting contracts that need to be watched.

[Phil Labonte]

There's a lot of, a lot of pro China stuff that's ended up in my X feed in the past couple days, ever since the whole red book came out.

[Libby Emmons]

And it's the deal with this red book thing. Have you guys signed up for it?

[Tim Pool]

No, it's just another app like a data cap. Look, I will, I will keep it simple. And with all due respect to Bobby Sauce was on the show yesterday. We ended up doing this 30 minute long debate over the issue of TikTok of which he was not as informed as I, I mean that with no disrespect. He didn't read the bill in a long time. He wasn't familiar with the provisions that were in it and he wasn't familiar with how TikTok worked or what the bans were, the timeline on these bans. And so my point was just literally I believe that he exemplifies exactly why we have to shut China's interest in TikTok down immediately. The bill is correct. All they have to do is divest. The app can stay whatever, but you end up with a guy defending Chinese interests. The debate was not. TikTok should be banned outright. Goodbye. The debate was foreign adversaries should be at the demand of Congress with congressional power forced to divest from American media. That's what the bill does. He argued against that. And the question that Raymond had and I had over and over again is why should China be allowed to own a mass media program in the United States?

[Ned Ryan]

Propaganda.

[Tim Pool]

There's. The answer is there are, there's zero reasons.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, there's zero reasons.

[Tim Pool]

So when you can convince an individual to go on a massive news show and advocate wholeheartedly for Chinese interests, you can see the effect of Chinese propaganda in real time.

[Ned Ryan]

It's literally that vehicle for injecting their propaganda or their, I mean they play the thing that's a little scary. They play the hundred year game.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

So of course they're good game. They're going to take this slow and if it's 30% like you were saying, they're going to start weakening the woke mind virus, pumping it into the young generations. You know, maybe it causes effects 10 years, 20, 30 years from now. But they're playing the 100 year game, but we're allowing them to have a vehicle for propaganda to inject it into young American minds. And I think, I know a lot of Republicans, staffers and members on the Senate side are definitely for like, we need to actually address TikTok in a forceful way. So I'm kind of curious to see how this plays out in the first six months of the, of the Trump administration.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the argument is that Donald Trump will use an executive order to suspend enforcement action against TikTok, which technically could work. I don't think it will. I could be wrong. The issue is that there are fines attached to this bill. Apple and Google would be on the hook as private companies. You're gonna be hard pressed as an insurer or as a business owner to say, I'm willing to open myself up to massive liability under the promise that Trump decided he won't enforce a law that we're breaking. Four years after Trump leaves, those fines will be on the books and Apple and Google will be on the hook for those fines should another president decide to enforce the action at that point.

[Ned Ryan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So when this law kicks in, the Supreme Court has not stopped it. It doesn't matter if Trump says, I won't enforce against it. If Apple and Google say, yeah, well, we don't want to be involved in whatever that is. Not to mention these other big tech platforms might say, hey, we don't want China competing with us in this space. We want to control the data. So we will happily take it down and use you as the excuse as to why we had to.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I think that it's more than just the influence. I think that it's probably an espionage tool more than just being able to.

[Ned Ryan]

They backdoor everything thing.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Just be more than just being able to influence what people think and, and kind of fermenting anti American sentiment, which it absolutely does. You can hear people complaining about, about the, the United States.

[Ned Ryan]

And was it on TikTok where all sudden Osama bin Laden.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Was that the whole push going on TikTok that somehow bin Laden wasn't a bad guy? Actually, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

This is insane to me.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that was insane. The argument back to his Guardian letter.

[Tim Pool]

That the, the, the bin Laden letter was circulating and going viral. And, and this is the point. Young people don't know the context. Many of the people that were posting this weren't alive on 9 11. And I mean with no disrespect to these young people, so they don't know the history. They didn't experience it. China through TikTok begins then promoting this in their algorithm. So here's what happens. Young people don't read the letter, do the research, come back and say, here's my historical assessment on the, on the bin Laden letter. They say, hey, whoa, this guy got a million views for praising Osama bin Laden, right? So then they make a video where they do the exact same thing, repeat the exact same lines, and then what happens? Some 17 year old kid in high school opens the app and he sees a wall of posts. Bin Laden was right. Over and over and over again with millions upon millions of views. We need to shut this down. The idea that Trump would defend this. Trump needs someone to talk to him for real. He's got Elon Musk right there. Elon should be like, yeah, dude, look, Elon goes a different route on this one, okay? We don't want China doing that stuff.

[Libby Emmons]

I think it's weird too that he just reversed it and it was just because after the election, because he used TikTok during the election. A lot of people use TikTok. A lot of conservative influencers use TikTok during the election. And now they're not Talking about how TikTok should be shut down. Meanwhile, in the first term, I remember that executive order, it was what, like, was it like September 2020 maybe was when the executive order was to ban TikTok. And I was like, this seems like a really good idea. Everyone was super in favor of it. And now it's just like a complete about face.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's jump to this story from Kotaku. Ooh, one of our favorite. That's right. Elon Musk and asmongold are fighting after the streamer accused him of being a fake gamer. Fans have called BS on Musk's path of exile to obsession. Okay, let's slow down there, friends. Many of you watching this show may be like, you guys know the meme where the Guy said, I'm 50 and all celebrity news looks like this curtains for Zushka, Bat boy flips a grunt or whatever. This is what a lot of people are. I saw a lot of people post this and they were like, they posted the meme next to it and I'm like, it's very good. Let me give you the English version. Elon Musk is accused of censoring people. Censoring an individual who criticized his video gameplay and accused him of cheating. Thus, the owner of one of the largest social media platforms has been accused of censoring conservatives over H1B and now an individual who impugned his honor. I don't know that it's actually exactly true or what happened, but Asmongold, a prominent YouTuber with millions of subscribers, saw his verified check mark disappear while he was sleeping, I guess, and then come back later. To be fair, I do find that kind of hilarious that Elon Musk was just like sitting there at Twitter hq. He's like, delete, you're verified. Then a few hours later I was like, ah, crap and put it back. It's actually kind of funny.

[Libby Emmons]

It is funny and it's transparent.

[Tim Pool]

The, the accusation, I suppose is, or I should say the concern is that Elon Musk is abusing his power as the owner of this platform and going after his critics.

[Phil Labonte]

I think it was funny. It's silly and, and petty stuff he did.

[Tim Pool]

He did leak dms too.

[Phil Labonte]

That's bad. Bad that I. I legit think is better.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think you should ever leak dms.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that's rude and, and to be honest with you, like, there's a lot of stuff that Elon's done lately that I really like. I really wish that he hadn't done H1B visa stuff. I mean, not so much that the way that he got into the H1B visa argument. Yes. But banning a lot of people even like some of the real scumbags that, that are annoying on, on X. I don't think that it's good to ban people and stuff like that. That mostly because it gives the. It gives the people that don't like him and, and would love to say, oh, he's not really. This. It gives them something to talk about. So I think he. Like he should. If it was. If I were him, I would just ignore them and leave it, leave it alone. But this is just silly.

[Tim Pool]

So, I mean, yeah, the H1B thing was interesting because it certainly looked like for a long period of time there was an attempt to get Elon Musk and Donald Trump to fight each other.

[Ned Ryan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

To get MAGA to go after him. And then sure enough, when this controversy pops up, certainly a lot of people went to war for it. I do believe there was a campaign, an op, as it were, and it works really well. It's a hard thing to navigate because what happens is.

[Ned Ryan]

So you think somebody was facilitating, trying to gen up to fracture America first over the topic of H1B visas?

[Tim Pool]

I would say it is, based on the evidence I've seen extremely likely that there were bot Accounts, attacking people and posting abhorrently racist things, targeting Elon to try and create a rift. It's fascinating to me. The narrative the week before was that the corporate press was trying to create a rift between Trump and Elon. They were running these stories saying Donald Trump secretly is angry at Elon, saying these things about him. And then Trump supporters were posting, Elon and Trump aren't gonna fall for it. Then all of a sudden you get a bunch of accounts that have, that are not verified, and they're posting very racist things. They're making direct incendiary comments with the genetics of an Indian man in particular, and posting his photo over and over again, trying to personally offend a friend of Elon Musk. Many of these accounts. So I'll give you an example. You know, I talk about how, you know, they're bots and it's because they post things that are either antagonistic, nonsensical, or don't align with what you posted. For instance, there are a bunch of, of, of non verified accounts with few followers that post weird things in response to anything I do calling me a Jew. Right. These are not real people.

[Ned Ryan]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

There's no human being on their phone being like, wait, did Tim. Did Tim tweet? Better call him a Jew again. When the same accounts over and over again, Autumn, like, seemingly say the same things over and over, you're like, yeah, these are not real accounts.

[Ned Ryan]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

So what I noticed when this whole thing went down was that there were accounts that for me was interesting because I initially tweeted, this looks like an op got attacked by a bunch of Trump supporters. However, I disagree with Elon's stance on H1B to a great degree. And I was very much in favor of shutting it down, reforming it, or doing something like that. When I then posted like seven different tweets about why H1B was bad, the responses from most of the visible accounts, they responded as though I said these the opposite. Because they're bots, right? Because the bots had categorized my account or were assigned to my account as pro Elon, not pro or not anti H1 H1B. Right?

[Ned Ryan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So I've explained this quite a bit, but the way it works is if a bot farm is targeting you and the. And as an individual running it who's not, doesn't read English or something, and they use a text generator or something like that, if my account was listed pro Elon, anything I tweet in relation to the subject would be responded to as if it was pro. Elon. So when I then tweet H1B is bad, the response is, you're an idiot. H1B is actually bad and you're wrong. And I'm like, but I said that because they're not real people. So you can see that happening in real time. The average. Here's the. Here's why it's hard to fight. The average person can't see that because they don't have millions of followers. So I get a thousand responses from a wall of bots and I'm like, like, look at that. Then what happens is some run of the mill Trump supporter who is a real person think claims that I accused them personally of being a bot because they disagreed, which is not correct. That's why it's so hard to navigate through this stuff.

[Libby Emmons]

Interesting, but.

[Ned Ryan]

But regardless of whether there was somebody doing something nefarious and trying to create some, you know, fractures inside the movement, I think it's a legitimate conversation, a legitimate topic to have a conversation about.

[Tim Pool]

No one ever said it wasn't.

[Ned Ryan]

No. That's why I'm like, great, let's have it. And I was. I went on TV and said, why are we even starting this conversation about a broken system? Saying we should expand it.

[Tim Pool]

So here's what happens. A bunch of accounts started posting pictures of Indian people and saying abhorrently racist things while advocating for H1B. I believe those bots were actively trying to defend H1B. So it's like a false flag. If the average person goes on X and sees a wall of racist content and then says H1B is bad, they have an emotional reaction against those people, go to their friends and say, I don't know. All those people that are arguing against H1B are abhorrently racist, evil people.

[Ned Ryan]

So your theory is who was behind it?

[Tim Pool]

The people who like H1B, I believe, were pushing bot farms. I'll put it this way. Some people who are pro H1B ran bot farms that were racist, pro H1, anti H1B to make it appear as though anybody who is a critical of H1B was woke. Right. Racist, white nationalist, anti Semites.

[Ned Ryan]

I think it backfired.

[Tim Pool]

And it does overlap with the whole woke. Right. Garbage too, because a lot of fired on him. I don't think so. In what way?

[Ned Ryan]

I think we actually had a legitimate. Whatever they were trying to.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. That conversation existed and someone tried exploiting it.

[Ned Ryan]

Right? They tried to.

[Tim Pool]

The conversation wasn't created by bot farms.

[Ned Ryan]

No, I know, but I don't. I think their attempt to take over or redirect the conversation, I don't think that that actually succeeded.

[Tim Pool]

It did.

[Ned Ryan]

You think so?

[Tim Pool]

When Elon Musk, I think, had a.

[Ned Ryan]

Broader conversation off of social media, though.

[Tim Pool]

When Elon Musk tweeted that these vile racists should be excised from the party, you see, people don't know what he's talking about because they don't see the bots like he does. And so then when I agreed and said these fringe identitarians should not be welcome, it gets taken by people who are not bots as though I'm insulting them for criticizing H1B. And it creates, and so is chaos. And we're not talking about the goal of the bot farm and the operations on social media. The goal is not to create a one for one inversion, like, today you will support Elon, tomorrow you will not. It's to create friction and chaos and to increment things by degrees. So it looks to me as. I will say this one. Bots are true. Elon called them out the moment he got into Twitter and started going through it. We know they exist. They operate every single day on every single issue. Some of them get flagged, some of them get banned, some of them do not. I think it was Elon was basically pointing out that the federal government was operating bots to sway public opinion as well. And he said, now I'm gonna charge you money because you need verification to be visible.

[Libby Emmons]

That was interesting, too, because he said that it was possible that Twitter had been overvalued because there were so many bots.

[Tim Pool]

Bots, yep.

[Libby Emmons]

And Twitter had counted them as users and they did.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

But my whole thing being what they all do, whatever took place online and whatever Elon said, I mean, obviously it was a minuscule part. And I'm sure there are. There were some people that are genuinely racist. Most of them were bots. I think that actually led to a greater conversation about. Wait a minute. I don't. I would. I would argue.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on right there. The conversation existed before bots started trying to disrupt it.

[Ned Ryan]

But I don't think a lot of people that actually ever paid attention to the H1B visa program and as much detail or as much attention as what took place a few weeks ago.

[Tim Pool]

The bot attack and the H1B conversation are two entirely different circumstances. The conversation around H1B existed.

[Ned Ryan]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

It still exists.

[Ned Ryan]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

The bots trying to sow chaos with racist posts is an entirely separate thing that did not create the conversation on H1B.

[Ned Ryan]

No, it tried to redirect it.

[Tim Pool]

It sowed chaos.

[Ned Ryan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And it shifted opinions of some people in bad directions.

[Ned Ryan]

I get. I guess I would push. I would push back a little bit and go. I'm not sure what significant percentage it might have shifted.

[Tim Pool]

It doesn't need to be significant. The point is, if these are. It's all about. I described this the other day, casinos don't win by going head to head with you in a game of blackjack and winning all your money. They win by winning zero away, 0.5% every year. So when these accounts, I made this point about gripers. I said, Nick Fuentes, his fans, the people who go in chat rooms and post vile rape threats to children are not Fuentes his fans. Those are people trying to attack Nick Fuentes.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

How do you effectively attack Nick Fuentes, claim to be a fan and then threaten to rape a child.

[Ned Ryan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

What happens then is the regular, a regular person who's never heard Fuentes or heard his arguments says all of his fans are weirdos who threaten children, which is not true.

[Ned Ryan]

Right. And you think that has now affected the H1B visa debate?

[Tim Pool]

Maybe it's 1%, maybe it's 2%. But look, man, I go on X and I'm looking at some of these posts and I see 50 tweets from people posting pictures of Indian people calling them a whole, like, bucket of racial slurs in every possible direction. And the only thing you conclude is this. No reasonable person who wants to stop H1B would do that.

[Ned Ryan]

Correct.

[Tim Pool]

The people who want H1B want to smear their opponents as evil racists. So when a regular person enters, a regular person walks into a room and says, hey, what's this H1B thing about out. And they see a bunch of people screaming racist things that are the races are for.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. And then all the races maybe not. I'm not in favor of reforming it.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want to be involved with those guys. They're racist.

[Libby Emmons]

So if there's all these bots on X, how many of these, how many bots are there on Tick Tock pushing all this stuff?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man, I, I assume, like massive numbers. And we can't see it. Like, we know that when Elon went into X, we could see these things, but with these other, with, with, with TikTok, we can't see anything.

[Libby Emmons]

But I think it's totally obscured.

[Ned Ryan]

So just my take on this is it might have colored a little bit around the edges, but I don't think it fundamentally Changed. Anyone saying we have to have a real conversation about H1B visas, there's and the immediate reaction being well you're a racist.

[Tim Pool]

There is an ongoing campaign from disaffected liberals to label people as woke right To Gatekeep and effectively so discord. And they're doing it because I think, I think Jack Besock has it right when he calls them diet Woke Woke. These are disaffected liberals who are saying things like they're basically using the phrase woke right to refer to anyone who is on the right. First they'll target Candace Owens and say look at her criticism of Jews. She's woke right. Anybody who has concerns about Candace's Owens views on Jews, Israel uses a liberty whatever might be like whoa, woke right? Then James Lindsay calls Oren McIntyre the example of woke right. Who or McIntyre is like a post liberal. And it's like what? Then he calls Tucker Carlson woke right. Then Michaela Peterson says anybody who's critical of H1B is a racist. Woke right. And you see where it's going. Disaffected liberal liberals are creating an umbrella term to call everybody racist. The same way the woke left had been doing this is diet woke. They're doing the same strategy. So when you see a spattering of weird accounts with fake with, with like random string text names, no followers and they're not verified and they're insulting Indian people in rather disgusting ways, I'm like yeah, it's not a legitimate Pro H Anti H1B group. This is, this is an operation to try and sow discord and make the people criticism criticizing H1B look bad.

[Libby Emmons]

What's post liberal?

[Tim Pool]

So you're going to ask if you want a great in depth response. The best, the best thing I would suggest is watching the lotus eaters. But I can give you a very, very surface level understanding. So I'm not a conservative. I probably lean post liberal. The idea being that for the long time I was a liberal and I believed in universal principles, things that we should hold to be true and protect. And then you slowly start to realize a few things. Liberal ideas actually got us to this problem in the first place by allowing evil people to be evil. Ideas like we should defend free speech even for those we disagree with results in people who want to destroy your free speech, destroying it. And so at a certain point you actually say we should protect free speech. For those that believe in free speech there's a limiting to the principle but, but an easy way I kind of explain, I look at to what the what it means to be more post liberal. And again, Carl Benjamin would give you a much better breakdown because he was the OG classic liberal YouTube gamergate guy. Now, the post liberal podcaster, would you describe yourself as post liberal leaning in that direction? I don't know enough about it and I don't like joining factions, but I'll put it. I would put it this way. We had the conversation yesterday as it pertained to TikTok, when Bobby Sauce was arguing that if we believe in small government, we shouldn't give the government more power to ban things. And I said, yeah, that's a. That's liberal. He chuckled like I was calling him a liberal. I said, no, that's literal. That's a literal liberal philosophy of there are universal principles that must be protected. Easiest example that came up was during COVID Here's a question for you, Ned. Do you think that parents should have the final say when it comes to medical decisions for their children?

[Ned Ryan]

Of course.

[Tim Pool]

So you think a parent that wants to sterilize and castrate their son should be allowed to do it?

[Ned Ryan]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

No. You don't?

[Ned Ryan]

No, I don't.

[Tim Pool]

So you don't believe parents should have the final say? There are certain circumstances where the government should intervene and where the government should not. Meaning there is no benefit of cultures. There is no universal principle over parents having the right of final say on their. On the medical decisions for their children. Children. So during.

[Ned Ryan]

Where do you draw the line though, your personal morals?

[Tim Pool]

And that is a post liberal understanding of, hey, wait a minute. We argued free speech should be for all, and then we realized, actually the communists who don't believe in free speech have weaponized it against us, are taking it from us and destroying everything while we sit back and let them do it.

[Libby Emmons]

That's like when people criticize, you know, people don't like what you say. The people don't like if you're saying, you know, we should have mass deportations. And they're like, oh, really nice Christian values you have. And it's like, you're an atheist. Shut it.

[Ned Ryan]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

You don't even believe in this.

[Libby Emmons]

I had someone come at me recently with Christian values and I'm like, these are my Christian. These are the Christian values that I am upholding.

[Tim Pool]

In fact, the the my body, my choice stuff is a big awakening when you realize the hypocrisy of liberals. They say, my body, my choice for abortion, but not for vaccines, meaning my body, my choice is not a universal principle to these people's morality.

[Ned Ryan]

Intellectually incoherent they're not liberal, they're ill.

[Libby Emmons]

Interesting too is you had Liberals in the 90s coming down hard on Christian Scientists parents who didn't want to seek medical treatment, their ill children. And those are the same people now who want to get in the way of parents refusing to allow their children to have sex changes.

[Tim Pool]

Let's make it. Let's, let's, let's break it down in the way that really hits of the culture war. If a conservative parent has a child in school and that child says they're trans and they want the surgery, the government in a liberal state will keep that information from the parents. So the parents don't have a right to make a decision as to the medical treatment for their child. Child. If they were in a conservative state and the parent said, I'm going to help you do it, the conservative state would intervene to stop the parent from doing it. Conservatives would agree with that. And in the inverse, liberals on the other side would agree with the state intervening to give the child a sex change. Meaning depends on your personal morals, I guess.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Where do we draw the line is based entirely on what we believe to be good or bad and what will improve this country or not. So post liberal is more like that, which I think is fairly obvious and correct for that reason as just described. But for me, it starts with my body, my choice. It starts with free speech. The left has this Karl Popper meme where he's like, if you tolerate intolerance, eventually the intolerant win. And we scoff and laugh at them as they utilize this fascistic ethos of might makes right against us. And for the longest time in the 2010s, I, as well as the classical liberal bunch, kept saying, if Twitter bans a leftist, we will stand up to defend their free speech because we believe in free speech. The moment they got unbanned, they'd come out and file reports against us to have us banned. Boy, were we stupid for doing that.

[Libby Emmons]

It's like a defendant thing.

[Tim Pool]

I will defend free speech for someone who believes in my free speech.

[Ned Ryan]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

So if Nick Fuentes says we should have free speech and they go to ban him, I'll say, hey, look, man, he stands on the principle, may not agree with his opinions, but he deserves free speech. But a communist trying to strip away our rights to free speech when they get banned, I'm gonna say, ha, ha ha.

[Libby Emmons]

That's like with the whole Neil Gaiman thing, the author. So he's been alleged to, you know, sexual stuff. He did wrong Sexual stuff. Apparently, it's what everybody's saying. But he was opposed to women's rights and in favor of, you know, men being in women's bathrooms and men being able to be called mother and all of this stuff. So you have all of these sor. Most feminists who have been saying, you know, me too went too far looking at Neil Gaiman, going like, well, enjoy it.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, yep.

[Libby Emmons]

I haven't said anything about Neil Gaiman. And I was, like, very opposed to the whole me too thing. And it's like, he's been out here, you know, advocating for child sex changes and whatever else, and I'm just like, well, suck it, suck it, Neil Gaiman.

[Tim Pool]

So one thing, I think, I think another thing. So. So basically, on the surface, it might appear that post liberals and conservatives have a lot of things in common, but they're actually quite different. Conservatives have traditional moral values they want to uphold. Post liberal is not too different in some ways, but largely about realizing the liberal ethos led to the creation of policies that have destroyed everything. For example, the 1964 Civil Rights act is an absolute outcome of. Of classical and then traditional liberalism. What does the 1964 Civil Rights act give us? HR departments, by law, there's nothing you can do about it. So we actually have a couple stories about DEI departments shutting down. And film made this point before the show started. So long as they have hr, they have dei. And it's because as someone who runs a company, I know exactly what the insurance companies require. I am required to have insurance. There are certain things I can't do without insurance. I'm not gonna get into the great details, but, yep, you want to buy a certain product, run it for your business, they're gonna ask you if you have insurance. You wanna open a store, you gotta have insurance. Insurance company is gonna ask you, what do you do to mitigate against these particular things? Why would we insure you if you're gonna get sued for a violation of all of these rights? So long as that all those titles exist and 19 and the civil Rights act exist, you are going to be required by law to have weird things in your business you will like, let's say you have a business and you're in rural West Virginia, which is 99.9% white, you will get sued for being racist, and they will cite the fact that your company's majority white. And we try and argue it's because people here are white. It won't matter. You will lose. But let's actually jump to that story from Media ites. FBI shuttered DEI office ahead of Trump's inauguration. Now, why would they do that?

[Ned Ryan]

No, they didn't.

[Tim Pool]

They didn't do it.

[Ned Ryan]

No, they did, but I think they're probably just embedding them throughout the different parts of the agency.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right.

[Ned Ryan]

No, the, the, the woke mind virus is metastasizing. This is what concerns me a little bit. Not only at FBI, I've heard some of this taking place at DOD and other places. We're going to shut down some of this stuff. They're not on the surface, it looks like they are, but they're just embedding these people in different part. Departments, different, you know, parts of. Of the FBI.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's not hiring anybody, right?

[Ned Ryan]

No, no. So that's why.

[Tim Pool]

Well, cash. But this is. You got your work cut out for you.

[Ned Ryan]

This is what I want to. I, I want them to have timestamps from November 6th, maybe even November 5th, but November 5th, 6th, timestamps on. When did these people get reassigned from, say, a DEI office? Where did they get placed? Who are they? What have they been assigned to do to figure out what they're trying to do by embedding these people in different offices and say, yeah, we went back and looked at the timestamp, and we know what you're doing and we're not going to tolerate it. So I've suggested that to some of the nominees, go back and look at timestamps when they started, you know, doing this maneuvering and figure out what they're doing.

[Tim Pool]

Is the answer simple. Then when Cash Patel is confirmed as head of the FBI, he just looks at who, anybody who was in the DEI department and just fires him.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, look at the timestamp. No, look at, look at when they were moved. Probably they were moved post November 5th. And go, yeah, that's great. The thing is, until you can firmly decide the head of the executive branch can fire these people. One of the other things that I've proposed, just start a Department of elimination. Until you can actually solve the fundamental question, just send them and say you're reassigned to one of the hundreds of empty government buildings. We're not gonna have you resist or cause problems or try and stop Trump's policies. You've just been reassigned to this department of elimination. You get to show up at an empty desk. Desk, no computer, read a newspaper, read a book. Well, you're not going to do any more damage.

[Tim Pool]

There's things they can do. Like you can have them move boxes from one room to another. You know, stuff like that.

[Ned Ryan]

No, I. I think everything. I mean, GS14, 15 and SES types are the ones that really lead the resistance inside.

[Phil Labonte]

I think everyone GS13 and above should get fired. But that, that comes.

[Ned Ryan]

That's why, that's why I've suggested start. Well, I'd say GS 12 and 13, but sure.

[Phil Labonte]

Hey, you want to add to it, man?

[Ned Ryan]

No, but you're right. I mean, it's those. That's where you start to get to these guys really starting to make decisions. GS14s and 15s really think they are the deciders.

[Tim Pool]

So we're going to move you out. I got it. Wait, wait. How many FBI agents are there that you think we could reassign?

[Ned Ryan]

Well, so I just got told by someone that's a current agent that about 40% of the. I think it's current field agents don't. Maybe it's the agents at headquarters, but it's a significant percentage. Came in under Christopher Red.

[Phil Labonte]

I have only 38,000 FBI agents right now.

[Tim Pool]

So wait, are we saying there's 40% of those that we could reassign because we don't need them?

[Ned Ryan]

I don't trust them. Let's just say, for starters, I don't trust.

[Tim Pool]

That's not my question.

[Ned Ryan]

I think you lose half.

[Tim Pool]

So I think we're looking at half. So 19,000.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let's send them all to a facility in Alaska and have them work on the 3x plus one problem.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, Ned and I were talking about this earlier.

[Tim Pool]

This, this, this math problem has baffled mathematicians for 50 years. 19,000 people, no Alaska and no Alaska. Alaska, just sitting in a room.

[Ned Ryan]

That's where the new FBI headquarters are. Yeah, that's where the new beautiful FBI headquarters will be. Nome, Alaska. And all go up there and solve these problems?

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's one problem and it's just we're going to have you all. So the 3X plus one problem, it's. It's basically. Let me actually give you the full breakdown on this one, how it basically works. It's. You take a positive number, if it's even, divide by two, if it's odd, multiply by three, then add one, and eventually it'll collapse and come down to one. And so we're trying to figure out if it's true or not. It's presumed and it's. It's not been solved. But 19,000 people of rudimentary mathematic experience, I think we could solve that problem.

[Ned Ryan]

So it might take them like four years.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't care.

[Ned Ryan]

Five years, six years.

[Tim Pool]

There's things they can do in the meantime.

[Phil Labonte]

But Ned and I were talking earlier and I think that that or he mentioned something that I didn't even realize that when you relocate a large agency or a business, 20%. 20% of the, of the. The personnel decide they don't want to move.

[Ned Ryan]

They're not going to their families. So relocate schools.

[Phil Labonte]

So this comes back to something that we've been talking about here regularly. Break apart all of these agencies that are in D.C. and send them throughout the country. And you'll get a massive downsizing of the federal government just because of the movement.

[Ned Ryan]

If trends would hold true, about 20%. I mean, there's 800,000 that the government has. 800,000 federal employees that the government of its own volition has deemed to be non essential.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

100%.

[Ned Ryan]

800,000. Let's get them out.

[Phil Labonte]

Get them.

[Ned Ryan]

Let's go. You're done. And that's why I want I.

[Tim Pool]

Here we go. Attu Station. It's the westernmost point of the Aleutians.

[Ned Ryan]

Oh, that's where the new FBI headquarters are gonna be.

[Tim Pool]

I, I think we should do that.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah. Great.

[Tim Pool]

Attu Station. What is this?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, that's, that's great for the FBI. There's a boatload of other bureaucracies that need to go. Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Department. Department of Education should cease to exist.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely. Agriculture should go to like, or something.

[Ned Ryan]

Exactly. Exist.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

100% like, let's get it down. I want Linda McMahon to go in and say, I have an announcement. Day one. I have an announcement to make. I am the last Secretary of Education. We are going to be shutting this down over the course of four years. And before Trump's gone, as everybody has left the building, he just implodes the building.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Raises it to the ground.

[Libby Emmons]

Look at this building. DC Is short on housing.

[Tim Pool]

Just look where this is.

[Ned Ryan]

Build a Freedom Park. Over.

[Tim Pool]

Look where ETU station is. You see that, that, that little red dot westernmost of the Aleutian Islands. And the population density is zero.

[Phil Labonte]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

Zero. I say we take them all. We send them there.

[Ned Ryan]

Send them.

[Libby Emmons]

Then we're going to have to build a bridge to.

[Phil Labonte]

I think, I got to be honest, though. I think we'll get more than 20% if we do that, though. I think we'll get. We'll get rid of more than.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, I think we'd go from half of 19. 19,000. We'd be down to like a handful.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it actually looks like a really fun place to visit, to be honest. Like, I would Actually love to go and check this place out out. There you go.

[Ned Ryan]

Here's your.

[Tim Pool]

Here's your building. They got bikes.

[Ned Ryan]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

There's an old plane.

[Libby Emmons]

That's cool.

[Tim Pool]

Look at all that.

[Phil Labonte]

17 from World War II.

[Tim Pool]

Man.

[Ned Ryan]

You should.

[Tim Pool]

You'd be safe from the zombies.

[Ned Ryan]

You should start the tourism department to the 19,000 FBI agents.

[Tim Pool]

They have a little city. Look at, look at this.

[Ned Ryan]

Beautiful.

[Tim Pool]

Look at that. That's a nice.

[Ned Ryan]

Beautiful. In the summer probably have like 23 hours of sunlight.

[Tim Pool]

So the population is zero.

[Phil Labonte]

A lot of mosquitoes.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Winter is a little mosquitoes in Alaska.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Really?

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah. I worked up there. In the summer it's because the, the you.

[Tim Pool]

You assume it's cold. But in the summer it's daylight all day and everything melts and the vegetables get big.

[Phil Labonte]

In North America there's the same. Or in. In the, in like in Canada and, and Alaska there's the same biomass of mosquitoes as there is in the Amazon. But it's in half the year as opposed to it's year round in.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh wow. There's a lot of mosquitoes here.

[Phil Labonte]

It's pretty bad.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah. Oh wow.

[Tim Pool]

Man. There used to be people there. Fifteen people. There were 19 men and one woman. Yikes.

[Phil Labonte]

But we, this is only. This is one. This is just one agency we're talking about here. We got, we got how many other. We got the whole Department of Transportation. Look.

[Tim Pool]

The illusions have a lot of islands.

[Ned Ryan]

But a lot of conversations about reduce. People are talking about reducing the size of government. Great. It's reducing responsibilities.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Like where should government be? Where should government not be? And I think that's one of the conversations that we should have with the American people of what should our government look like? Like what is, what is a proper government for a representative democracy which progressives don't believe in by the way. What. What should it look like? Where should it be? You know, again, their whole approach is the state of salvation. It should invade every aspect of your life. People have asked why is there continual perpetual growth of the state? Because they wanted to invade every aspect of your life. Until salvation comes to every aspect of your life, the state should continue to grow. So it's in the DNA of the state.

[Libby Emmons]

They think the state is salvation.

[Ned Ryan]

Right. So that's how they believe. And then we need to have a conversation.

[Libby Emmons]

The ultimate company store.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah. But the, the conversation needs to be had. Let's get back to a rights based government. Government is meant to secure these God given rights and take none of them away. And so this is the conversation has to be out with the American people. But the beginning point is break apart the Leviathan.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ned Ryan]

Downsize it, but downsize the scope. It's when, when people talk about limited government, I think too often they look at, well, government should be limited in size, it should be limited in scope.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think that the, that so to have to have that effect, do you think something like the necessary and proper clause need to be amended or the, the commerce clause, because those are the two clauses that actually allow the government or that give the government justification or they just use all these aspects of our lives. Yeah, exactly. I mean, because the, you know, the Constitution does articulate the powers that the government has. And then anytime they want to do anything, they say, well, Congress has the power to make laws that are necessary and proper. Oh, this is to regulate commerce between the states. Which, which if you look at any, you know, if you look at the definition of regulate when they made that, it has nothing to do with being able to just, you know, tell people they can't grow wheat on their own property to feed to their own cow or whatever.

[Ned Ryan]

But I would go back to most of the administrative state is inside, not the Article 1 legislative branches and the Article 2 executive branch. And the head of the executive branch should be able to decide what is necessary, what is not necessary for the Article 2 executive branch to run effectively. And if he gets that question answered, he can decide this is not needed for this to be, you know, used effectively for the American people. I'm going to shut down this department. I'm going to shut down this agency. We're going to fire this many federal employees. We're going to fire. I don't think a lot of people know that there's twice as many federal contractors as there are federal employees. Yeah, it's about a two to one ratio. Like we're going to get rid of. There's four million. Last I checked, there are about four million federal contractors. We're going to fire them.

[Libby Emmons]

Federal contractors?

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, just for the, the federal government. About 2 million federal government employees. That doesn't include military. Like what's too many? Yeah. What, what does this, what does government. What does government. A representative democracy. Government that is meant to secure rights. Take none of them. What does that actually look like in practice in the 21st century? And the head of the Article 2 branch, I think, should be empowered to be making that decision in some ways.

[Phil Labonte]

Not that I think that an amendment possible. I think that it's, it's, it would be some kind of long Shot. But do you think that it would be functional to have an amendment that actually outlines what a. What a. What the government's role should be like? Because, you know, it should be like, in my. In my estimation, I'm close to. To. I'm close to the idea that there should be a government that should provide courts for redress agreements, they should defend the borders, and then they should protect property rights. And that's it. That's all the. Those are the legitimate functions of government.

[Ned Ryan]

Government. Which, by the way, do we actually have private property if we have property taxes? No.

[Phil Labonte]

And I think that that should be. That should be adjudicated.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, you're just paying rent. But I just last really quick. I mean, I think you lead property rights. The founders believe that you had a right to property, and there's property and rights. And I don't think. I think if you don't have actual real private property because of property taxes, I think you undermine the whole idea of actually what does it mean to have rights?

[Phil Labonte]

I agree completely.

[Tim Pool]

I want to jump to the story, but I just. I just realized that the pop up on the Post Millennials living on Tim Cast irl.

[Phil Labonte]

Look at that.

[Tim Pool]

But it was you on. On irl.

[Libby Emmons]

That was me on irl.

[Ned Ryan]

How's the introduction?

[Libby Emmons]

Martinsburg space.

[Tim Pool]

That's right. That's right. Yeah. I was like, that's a big chair. I was like, wait a minute, that's my window.

[Ned Ryan]

What's the introduction for you? So you can do it for your son again.

[Libby Emmons]

You want me to do it?

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

I wonder if he's watching. He might be. He asked me for the link.

[Ned Ryan]

Oh.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

Is that why you.

[Libby Emmons]

Hi, I'm Libby Emmons from Post Millennial.

[Tim Pool]

There you go.

[Phil Labonte]

You do say that.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that's what he is.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody do from the Post Millennial DNC tap staffers behind misleading Kamala HQ account to combat misinformation.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, my goodness.

[Tim Pool]

They will quote combat online misinformation and respond to the Trump administration actions by pushing out memes, videos and graphics. In other words, they will lie.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Libby Emmons]

They will lie. And what's interesting too, is remember how with Kamala HQ immediately, there was a Kamala HQ Lies X account that popped up.

[Ned Ryan]

Yes.

[Libby Emmons]

So there's a Fact Post Post El's account that has already popped up to debunk all of the nonsense that this Fact Post account publishes. So, yeah, I think that's pretty interesting. It also one thing is that if the DNC is hiring Kamala's Gen Z X losers Staffers, they really haven't learned anything from this election at all. They're just going to keep going on and doing the exact same stupid nonsense they were doing before. Lying, taking things out of context, misquoting false allegations.

[Ned Ryan]

I think this is interesting and that's.

[Libby Emmons]

What the DNC is going to do. And the DNC doesn't even have a head yet but they're going to come in with this cohort ready to go and perpetrate.

[Ned Ryan]

So based off just even some of this information, confirmation hearings over the last few days, I think it's an interesting question. Democrats do seem to be in disarray. Obviously they're not bringing their A game. At what point do we think they will ever come to the conclusion we where the path we are going down and we have gone down is is a destructive one to our party and for us achieving political power again. We might want to rejigger this whole thing and maybe not continue or are they just going to simply double down?

[Libby Emmons]

Well I guess it depends because their mind is so broken chair and maybe who they which way they go, right, because they have two directions. They could go in, they could go hard progressive left.

[Ned Ryan]

I think they will go that way.

[Libby Emmons]

Or and like you know, boost AOC and Rashida Tlaib and whoever else didn't get voted out from that whole squad. Or they could go the more moderate approach and say, you know, well of course we do need to have more border control and we do need this and that. We do need to reduce, you know, sterilizing our children and we do need to promote families. So they have a choice to make and they haven't decided what choice they're going to make yet. They don't know what's your bet going to do? What's my bet? Yeah, I think if they, I think if they have no sense then they'll go progressive, they'll go even harder progressive.

[Ned Ryan]

I don't know if they have the ability to be, ability to because I think the woke mind virus has broken their brains.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think they have anything else because if you look at it the establishment ones they're older than Joe Biden.

[Tim Pool]

I think people view the world and humans as this group that shifts around, watches the news, changes their minds. The reality is they're fundamentalists. People's minds are developed in youth and largely solidify. The reason the Democrats began embracing wokeness is because younger left leaning individuals started aligned with Democrats. Thus the Democratic Party officially adopted the DSA as a component of the Democratic Party. The DNC cannot moderate because young woke people genuinely believe in their crackpot culture cult. They're not going to wake up from it. This is their whole worldview.

[Ned Ryan]

They're fundamentalists in their views.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. And what's going to happen is people like Pelosi and Schumer who have entertained it for power. They're going they still moderate it to a certain degree despite entertaining it. That's weakness. When they pass on, the younger people who move into the Democratic Party are going to be full on woke and it will be that much worse.

[Ned Ryan]

I agree. Agree. I don't think they have. I think the trends have been put in place. I don't think there is a way for them to stop these trends until this next generation that has completely embraced this fundamentalist woke mind virus passes away. And that's not for a long time.

[Tim Pool]

Gen X is the reason Trump won. Boomers still are leaning a little bit conservative. Silent generation as well. But once we lose the older generation, I don't see how we see we get another populist right president.

[Ned Ryan]

Well then. Well, so I bring up an interesting point. I think Tock. I think the 2028 elections are far more important than people understand because of what happens in the 2030 census.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ned Ryan]

If you hold on to power in 2028 and by that I mean America First Republicans and might be J.D. vance might be somebody else, you hold on to power then the 2030 census and the shift from these blue states into the sun belts and other key states, states down south. I think all of a sudden it becomes a decade of power.

[Tim Pool]

Take, take a look at this from Civics. Here's the Donald Trump favorability as of today. 53% unfavorable 18 to 34 61% unfavorable 35 to 4956 unfavorable 50 to 64 51% favorable 65 plus 50% favorable. This is not, there is not going to be a great awakening of the reason why generations skew one direction. It goes more and more liberal as time goes on. It's because the younger generations are exposed to liberal ideology.

[Ned Ryan]

Indoctrination centers.

[Tim Pool]

Indoctrination centers. When they turn 30, they're going to hold those same views. So when 18 to 34 becomes 34 to 49, they're the the then what you're going to see the 35 to 49 bracket have a 61% unfavorable rating for Donald Trump. As the older generation passes on, this country is going to go woke and we are only lucky right now that Gen X, which was the, the, the, the largest bracket supporting Donald Trump, came out and voted for him and the Republicans without, without Gen X, that's it. Now the other issue is because when boomers go and they do support Trump a little bit, it's going to be much more difficult for Gen X to maintain this. And Gen Z is leftist. This is why I say TikTok is so dangerous. But it's not just TikTok. Our own companies do the same thing pushing this crackpot ideology. And I believe largely that either this country is sick to the core or Democrats are intentionally burning the country down.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, yeah, I've said this a boatload of times. Like a happy population doesn't engage in revolutionary activities. So if you've got people that are ideologically bent on having, on creating like the perfected society or having a revolution in the US you want unhappy Americans, you want people that are disaffected, you want people that are, that are not pleased with the way that their lives and the country is going. So that way they will engage in revolutionary activities. You don't get happy, happy people that have kids and have happy families and stuff. They don't want to engage in revolutionary activities because they're like, man, my life's good.

[Ned Ryan]

So a couple things, I mean, kind of what Tim was saying, like the, the numbers look pretty grim moving forward. I think that should actually inspire those of us that are involved in, in, in politics in a day to day basis. We better figure out how we actually get the numbers in our favor before 2028 in regards to voter red, AB gen, all these things in key battleground states to hold on to power in 2020. And then I think census numbers give us another 10 years, but then that leads to the next point at some point. And I, J.D. vance has talked about this, I endorse it. We should talk about the endowments for these indoctrination centers and let's have a conversation about what you're actually doing in bringing these younger generations and indoctrinating them in destructive ideas that are going to ruin this country in the future. And actually we allow China and other countries to dominate us.

[Phil Labonte]

The Communist Control act was a thing for a little while. It's no longer a law. But I think that they should revisit the idea. I mean there's nothing wrong in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with saying we need education to uplift our way of life and we should reject people coming into our country that want to subvert it. Yep, there's nothing. There should be nothing objectionable or even particularly odd about that sentiment. If we as a nation want to survive and we like our way of life, we should have schools, teach that the United States is a good place, not that the United States is a bad place. We should have.

[Tim Pool]

We.

[Phil Labonte]

And if we're going to allow immigration at all, we should allow. We should only allow immigrants in if.

[Ned Ryan]

They believe the country.

[Phil Labonte]

Exactly. If they believe in the ideology and they want to become Americans, they have to want to assimilate. You can't bring. Bring the old country's ways with you. I'm sorry. If you want the old country's ways, go to the old country. But you're not making our country like the old country.

[Ned Ryan]

Kind of goes back to that idea.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, go ahead. No, that was the idea originally. It was like, you know, you could bring your food and bring your fashion and some of that stuff, but, like, basically, you have to become an American. Assimilation was a huge deal.

[Ned Ryan]

You have to buy into the ethos. We're not an economic zone. We're not some. Some random spot in the world. There's a very specific and unique culture and way of life and how we approach things.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Constitution, our government, all of these things. And I think immigration policy should reflect that. I mean, again, it goes back to the conversation earlier in which they're trying to destroy this country via immigration policy because they hate it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Ned Ryan]

Our immigration policy should actually be implemented going Back to the H1B. Does this actually promote the interests of our culture and society? Be all immigration and visa policy should actually be pointed in that direction. Yeah. I mean, it goes back to what is the. What is. The moral imperative of every national leader is to promote the interests of the nation and its nation's people.

[Phil Labonte]

And if you. If you don't want to promote, like.

[Ned Ryan]

If you don't want what is best for them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. If you don't want. If you're not, like. I mean, if you're not America first, why are you even running for governor for a position in government?

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There. There are people who have this fractured view of the world. They're not smart people. They don't read. They get their information from songs, and not good ones at that. And so their. Their reason for joining government. Some of these people, it's their only way, the only way to get their name in the history books. For others, they're literally trying to burn it to the ground. It's remarkable to me that there are people who are raised in this country who hates it. That's particularly rare for a lot of the other developed nations that you have this massive.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean, it's true in the UK.

[Tim Pool]

That people hate the uk.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, like, the UK is in serious trouble. But I mean, like, because of. Let me rephrase. There's been an increase in the.

[Ned Ryan]

No, it's more than that.

[Tim Pool]

Of younger generations who despise their own countries.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. Yeah. I think. I mean, part of that is that we have. We have eradicated the reason that the countries are good in the first place. We've taken away the moral values, We've taken away, you know, civic society. We've taken away civility. We've taken away all of the things that, as you were saying, would make you govern yourself and feel good about who you are. We've destroyed meaning. We've said meaning is irrelevant. And then you have people going in.

[Ned Ryan]

Search of what, like, settle for your truth? My truth?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, people going in objective truth. Witchcraft, you know, to try and be part of that. People are desperate to be part of something, and so they're searching for meaning and something to make them feel valid in the world. And if that's. What if that's. If that's the road you're on, if you're staring into the void, looking for anything to grab onto before you fall into the black hole of nothing nihilistic, you're gonna grab whatever it is that shows up your way. It's like, you know, it's like the girl with daddy issues, the first guy at the bar, she goes home with them.

[Tim Pool]

It is now time to say. Say goodbye. Mer Garland saying goodbye.

[Libby Emmons]

That's nice.

[Ned Ryan]

Oh, thank God. I don't mind that weasel.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm glad he wasn't a Supreme Court justice.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Libby Emmons]

I remember when that was going on and I was like, Mitch McConnell's being a real stick in the mud. It's like nine months left, you know, and it's like, no, that was a good job. Good job. Listen, that was, like, the.

[Ned Ryan]

One of the only good things.

[Phil Labonte]

Everybody can complain all they want about Turtle man, but he saved America from Merrick Garland, and he saved, like, all of the good things that the Supreme Court has done in past. I don't know, however long it was since 2012 or 11 or whatever, when he was all that good stuff. Probably wouldn't happen without Mitch McConnell.

[Ned Ryan]

Do you guys watch some of the. The. The confirmation hearing for Pam Bondi?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Which I can't remember. Which Senator Democrat.

[Tim Pool]

Can't believe she's 59.

[Libby Emmons]

I know. Either she looks good.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, she does.

[Tim Pool]

Like 43.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

The question being, well, how can we be sure that you're not going to weaponize the DOJ against political.

[Libby Emmons]

Like you did. And she was like, wait, you just did. Did that.

[Ned Ryan]

Are you. That's a serious question. Yeah. Have you not watched Merrick Garland the last four years? Well, it's because weaponize the doj, they are evil.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Now this is. You know what I'd love to have the conversation about? In our society, we should have a conversation about there is good and there is evil and we should promote the good and we should destroy the evil.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Libby Emmons]

That's a, that's a good way to go get, get the.

[Ned Ryan]

Behind the benefit of society. We should say there is good, there is evil. But for that to happen, you have to have standards and principles that everybody agrees in the idea of absolute. It's not your truth. My truth. It is truth.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

It's not subjective, it's objective.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. It's true that, that these, there, there's. There's always going to be the postmodern perspective. Right. Like people think that quantum, quantum physics applies to like normal everyday interactions and stuff and fair enough.

[Libby Emmons]

Stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

Your, your actual perspective does matter. But that doesn't change the fact that you can talk about things that are true. That in a, in a way that is close enough to fact to be functional for a society. That's why even though a lot of the stuff in the Bible isn't true true, like it's not like the, the stories were, were, you know, didn't actually happen the way they say in the Bible. But if you live your life away.

[Ned Ryan]

I don't know if that's true.

[Phil Labonte]

I do. Anyways, the point. But the point that I'm making is Word of God. The point.

[Ned Ryan]

Wait a minute. We can have a conversation.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, no, listen. The point is it's functionally true. The point is if you live your life according to the things that the Bible says, you're generally going to have a society that works out better.

[Libby Emmons]

It's like basically a socio. Technological advancement.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, yes. So and, and, and whether it comes like you guys, you guys, you guys are more than welcome to your religion and to believe that the Bible is the word of God. But the point is, if you live.

[Ned Ryan]

Your life according to the Ten Commandments, if we were to just say society should be ordered around the ten Commandments.

[Libby Emmons]

That'D be a good jam.

[Ned Ryan]

That would be, it would be a great society.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

You shouldn't murder. Oh, okay. That's Pretty obvious. You should honor your father and mother, you should not commit adultery, you should not covet.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, don't, don't, don't drive yourself nuts wanting what the other guy has.

[Ned Ryan]

Right?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

It's a good way to order society. That's why God handed them down. You should order your society based off these commitments, commandments.

[Tim Pool]

We had this conversation with Seamus on this, on the show like a year and a half ago or so. And I said from a liberal perspective, if you break down the commandments logically, they, they all make sense, that if a secular individual were to follow these, you would have a better society.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes.

[Ned Ryan]

So we pulled them up.

[Phil Labonte]

That's not controversial either.

[Tim Pool]

It shouldn't be, but it's, it's actually quite simple. Right. The obvious ones, don't commit adultery. Like we agree with that. Don't bear false witness, honor your parents, don't murder, murder, don't covet stuff, don't steal or cheat. Yeah, but then there's two. Or actually there's, there's, there's three, which is the first commandment, having no other gods, the ninth and the tenth. Remember the Sabbath day, keep it holy and you shall not take the, the name of your Lord God in vain. I can break that down very simply in a secular way as to why that still logically applies. Because if you were to apply the word God as in the moral structure, or I should say from a liberal perspective, this system and what you are following, let's write these up. From a secular perspective, the first commandment would be you shall have no other moral code works, frameworks aside from this. That's basically what it's saying. Do not worship any other ideal ideas or ideologies. The ninth is that one's actually quite simple. Take a day for yourself, rest. And the last one of course is don't use the name inventory brain is literally do not disparage these ideas for which you live a better life.

[Libby Emmons]

And don't curse.

[Ned Ryan]

No, be consistent with them.

[Tim Pool]

I'm taking a secular approach to it, but I do think it's actually quite simple why we all think this way. We were all raised in a society of Christian moral values, Judeo Christian. So when we look at these, we say, that makes sense. Go to China. They're going to be like, what do you mean? Well, these things, some of these, they don't have the same moral structure as we do.

[Libby Emmons]

These things are foundational to Western civilization. And when we eradicate religion, we eradicate these ideas. It is in service to destroying Western civilization. And that's why communists hate religion, as Phil could tell you. That's why you have all of these hard leftists being really in favor of ideologies that destroy family, that destroy society, that destroy the Judeo Christian framework. The Judeo Christian framework. You know, love God or not, the Judeo Christian framework created peaceful high trust societies. It created the concept, the very concept of civilization was created because we had ancestors buying into Judeo Christian values. That's where, you know, I think the.

[Phil Labonte]

Romans had civilization before.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, but it wasn't as good. They had slaves underground pumping water. I mean, they were still civilization.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, but the greatest amount of freedom, freedom and prosperity that the world has ever seen came from Judeo Christian values.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, that's fair.

[Libby Emmons]

I would agree with that.

[Ned Ryan]

So, yeah, I mean, I totally agree. You know, Rome was a great empire for a thousand years, but greatest amount of freedom and prosperity for the most amount of people came from Judeo Christian values.

[Libby Emmons]

Greece was good too, but they left their babies on hillsides.

[Tim Pool]

How did, how did, how did it work that like you're a slave in Rome and like, how would they know? You're like, like walking down the street and they're like, you're a slave now.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, if you were, like, if, if Rome conquered your, your, your spot, the place where you lived, if Rome conquered you, you were a slave. And if you were a Roman citizen, that meant you were, you could either buy citizenship or you could be born into citizenship.

[Tim Pool]

How do you prove it?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know. But you have an interesting, like, no.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not slave, I'm actually a noble.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, you had this interesting, you had this interesting thing. I. That happens in Acts of the Apostles, which I was actually just reading recently, which is. So you have Paul, right? And he is like a convert. He's a convert to believe in Christ and he was a Jew and he was like going around, you know, preaching about Jesus and all this stuff. And the Romans got really mad and they prosecuted him and they came after him and everything. And he was like, but I am a Roman citizen. You can't do that to me. And they were like, oh, snap, snap. You're a Roman citizen. That means we can't just arrest you with no due process because we're going to get in super trouble because you can't do that to a Roman citizen.

[Phil Labonte]

So legal dispute. There were legal disputes. You had documents testifying your background. There was manumission records. If someone was once a slave and.

[Libby Emmons]

Then they bought their way out, their.

[Phil Labonte]

Freedom or whatever, they were free how.

[Tim Pool]

Do you buy freedom from being a slave?

[Ned Ryan]

Well, that some of them had their own private. They were allowed to actually earn money because their owners allowed them to do it and they able to save up and buy their freedom.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, it was like slave to own thing.

[Libby Emmons]

It's like slavery in.

[Phil Labonte]

Slavery in the, in the Roman Empire wasn't the same kind of chattel slavery that we had here. Here in the, in, in, in the.

[Tim Pool]

In the, in in the United States you had people who bought their own slavery.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, you did.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but that, but they were able.

[Libby Emmons]

To buy their family members out of slavery as well.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but, but that was also. That would like you, if I understand correctly, the way that slaves in the US Were treated was as if they were like a beast of burden, like a cow or like a, you know, that's the way they were treated.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

In fact, that was one of the interesting debates of the Constitutional Convention of the, the slave state representatives. We want them to count as human beings in the census to give us more representation in the House, which is.

[Phil Labonte]

Why the three fifths compromise.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, but no, they're actually, we want to treat them as property every other time.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't it funny though that most people have an inverted view of a three fifths compromise? They, liberals tend to argue that the south wanted slaves to be only 3/5 of a person. No, the south wanted them to be full people.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

They wanted census.

[Ned Ryan]

They cut their power by 40 in the U.S. yeah, yeah. That's what the, that's what the Northern representative said. You can't do it. You can't count them as, as human beings for the census and then treat them as property. So we're not going to give you the full representation in the census. So they, they diminished the power of the slave states by 40%.

[Phil Labonte]

But, but yeah, the slavery in the Roman Empire was different to the kind of slavery that was here in the US and in, in the colonies in the broad broadly like the Atlantic slave trade. And I think that the, that slavery in, in Africa today and in the Middle east today is different to both.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's worse, maybe worse there.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I think it was probably worse in the Middle East a while back.

[Libby Emmons]

Slavery. Yeah, well, there's still slavery in the Middle East.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but I'm saying if you go back a thousand years or whatever with like the jihad and all that stuff, it was probably substantially worse. They probably just, you're a slave and you work till you die, we don't feed you. You know, things like that.

[Libby Emmons]

That was true in Greece too.

[Ned Ryan]

You'll notice in Judeo Christian civilization there is no slavery anymore.

[Phil Labonte]

Anymore. We're. Well, I mean that was one of the. Or the British. When the British ended slavery, William Wilberforce, they were the only. They were the first society to end slavery.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

And it was, it was William Wilberforce who led decades long campaign to end slavery inside the British Empire. He is.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

And the greatest figures ever in British history.

[Phil Labonte]

And. And as much as. As you know, considering the fact that the west gets so much hell from p. From itself from other people in the west, they ignore the fact that no other society ever ended slavery. Like notice British and the British and Western, you know, they're the only society that ever ended slavery. And they didn't just end it in one country, they ended it basically throughout the whole British Empire which was almost.

[Ned Ryan]

The whole world of their own volition. Paid out, you know, significant sums of money over the course of years to actually in the. In the process, pretty amazing. It also saved. I mean you think about how the British did it versus us because we refused to actually address it and confront it. There were some very bad calculations made at the turn of the 19th century in which they thought it would die of its own volition. It did not. Not cotton gin, all that other stuff that continued it on British Empire ended up its own volition. No massive bloodshed. We did not. Massive bloodshed. And then we finally got it right obviously in 1865, but still.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep. More people died in one battle in the Civil War than died in the whole Vietnam War or. Yeah. In the whole Vietnam war. More Americans. I'm sorry. Gettysburg.

[Ned Ryan]

Gettysburg.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, Gettysburg.

[Ned Ryan]

And Tina I think was the bloodiest day in U.S. history. And the bloodiest battle was Gettysburg.

[Libby Emmons]

Because it lasted for more than 13 days. Three days. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

54, 000 people.

[Tim Pool]

It's wild. The south could have won, unlike the. At the first battle.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Battle Bull Run. They could have just walked into D.C. and it was over. But the south was like, no, no, we don't want war. We just want them to leave us alone.

[Ned Ryan]

Leave us alone.

[Tim Pool]

And the north was like, nah.

[Ned Ryan]

And then the manufacturing and manpower, everything just eventually crushed them.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. They had better weapons. They had breach loading, breech loading rifle rifles. And the south was still using muskets in Gettysburg. I watched this, this really cool documentary because Gettysburg's right here. It's like a 40 minute drive's right here. Yeah. Tina's down the street.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah. Which is a really cool battlefield.

[Tim Pool]

You can't Walk.

[Ned Ryan]

You should go there. September 17th. That's the anniversary of it.

[Tim Pool]

We found a rusty bayonet on this property, actually.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Pool]

If we. If you take a metal detector on this property, you're going to find Civil war stuff.

[Ned Ryan]

So. September 17th is the anniversary of Antietam. It's also a Constitution day, but if you go to Antietam on the anniversary, they have park rangers at key points of the battle. Battle with living history is a really cool experience. I would argue Gettysburg's an amazing battlefield to visit. Antietam's right there with it. It's a really fascinating battlefield.

[Tim Pool]

Gettysburg's also got a great chocolate shop.

[Libby Emmons]

Really?

[Ned Ryan]

Hey, no, but what's the. Is it Sharps? What's the town near Antietam? Sharpsburg. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Are you sure?

[Ned Ryan]

They have an amazing ice cream shop. Ice cream shop?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

It is incredible.

[Tim Pool]

You go there all the time. Time.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah. We took our kids. We took them through the battlefield on the anniversary, the 17th, and then we found this ice cream shop. I want to go back just for the ice cream.

[Tim Pool]

Nutters.

[Ned Ryan]

Nutters. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And it's like, for a dollar, they give you, like, a gallon.

[Ned Ryan]

You know, that was the fun. My wife was like, I can't believe. Really good that we just paid six. We have four kids. There were six of us. Like, how did we just pay that little. For like. Yeah, they're walking in front of balance.

[Tim Pool]

Hines out the door. Yes. Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

So that matters, people.

[Tim Pool]

That spot super close to our old studio. We used to hop on our moped heads and I'll just go ride up to Sharpsburg because It was, like, 15 minutes. And you go through this winding, like, forest path.

[Libby Emmons]

It's so pretty. That's a gorgeous path.

[Tim Pool]

And there's also a little pub across the street where they got great wings. What is that? Captain Benders? Is that the. What it is? Yep. Sharpsburg, man.

[Ned Ryan]

I'm going back.

[Tim Pool]

It's crazy. This. This whole. And. And you've got John Brown. Because Harper's Ferry is right here, too. You got John Brown's raid headquarters. And then you. You basically drive on any road. Road. We would hop on our mopeds and just drive down the road. In this whole area, there's, like, placards everywhere and cannons everywhere. It's like. Yeah. You live where people killed each other.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Yeah. There's. Harper's Ferry is, like, one of the most haunted places in the country, apparently.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow. I don't know. We got ghosts here. Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

There's a. There's a cemetery on the Property from like the late 1700s or 1800s, early 1800s, I think. And the gravestones have all fallen over and they're washed out and it's. I think, I think they were telling us that like some of the bones may have come up and washed away or whatever. Cuz a creek right there or something like that. I don't know. But we keep hearing ghost stories from the employees.

[Libby Emmons]

Really Here?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Like what?

[Tim Pool]

Well, Tales from the Inverted World kept trying to get their computer set up and weird things kept happening.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, I remember Shane was telling me.

[Tim Pool]

And that's an 1800s barn house.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The ceilings are like 6 and 12ft because, you know, people were really short back then.

[Ned Ryan]

Well, they're also trying to keep heat in the rooms and yeah, it's kind.

[Tim Pool]

Of, it's kind of wild how like low the ceilings are, but. So Tales from the Inverted World is a show that Shane Cashman hosts and it's supposed to be like weird wild conspiracy and things like this. And the computer would break in weird ways that we largely attributed to human error. But one day when the computer broke, the graphic graphics card just fell out. Anybody who's put a computer together is going to be like, how did that happen? They were sitting in the room and it went. And the computer shuts off and they're like, what? And they look and it fell out of the machine and it's just like, that's weird. And a bunch of other weird things happen. Cameras just fall down.

[Libby Emmons]

That's wacky.

[Tim Pool]

Doors won't open. Has anybody seen any basement is super creepy.

[Ned Ryan]

This is a thin, this is a thin place where the other world and this world meet.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. All I know is the, the front building was. Is from the 1800s.

[Ned Ryan]

Huh.

[Tim Pool]

It's an 1800s farmhouse. And so it's got a lot of history. And then for whatever, for whatever reason, you know.

[Phil Labonte]

Ghosts.

[Libby Emmons]

Ghosts.

[Ned Ryan]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

That proves it. Let's go to Super Chats if you haven't already, which kindly smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel, share the show with everyone you know and head over to timcast.com click join us. Become a member. I'll tell you why we need you as members. If you believe in the show, if you believe in the work that we do, if you think it's important for us to keep going, we, we rely on your memberships to make all of it possible. As a member, you get access to our uncensored members only show and our Discord community. There's a bunch of shows that exist on the Discord. So not only do you get the uncensored show, but you get the morning show, you get the pre show, you get the After Dark show. That happens after IRL ends. And there's podcasts on the Discord like Roman Nation. So it's this whole community of creating content. Over 20,000 people. And you could join. Join. Right now, every single person on Discord is saying, tim, tell them to join because we want friends and they want to be friends with you. So go to timcast.com sign up, but for now we'll grab your super chats. Alpha Turkey says, Tim, they're using Californian taxes to build Zola's algorithm and execute it using Lockheed CL 1201. Also, houses in Cali are made from wood to be earthquake proof. And if hot enough, metal will burn. Indeed it will. You know magnesium burns.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, it does.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Whenever you see like the people with the big drum and they're. There's a fire over it. Magnesium fire.

[Phil Labonte]

Aluminum burns too. Does it really?

[Tim Pool]

I assume it all burns. You know, how about that? Okay, let's grab some more super chats. Anthony Shaw says, with talent on loan from God. Okay. Jason Dixon says you often pitch your website to join the culture, to join Discord and members doing great things. Things. Have you ever considered shouting out Roman Nation and its based gaming both from your Discord? I did that earlier today on one of the morning segments. I shout out Roman Nation, but I also want to shout out the. What is it? Seven Days to Die. That's the game. The Tim Cast Discord server has its. Has its own community Zombie game server. 7 Seven Days to Die, I think it's called, huh? Where you can play games with a bunch of people. I'm telling you, man, it is. You know, I gotta be honest. Y'all in the mem, in the community have created the coolest member program ever. Because you get all these websites and like sign up to be a member and you can watch this special show and see this special documentary. And then for us, it's like, that's just 20,000 people all doing really cool stuff and you're hanging out. For me, it's like you're helping make the company exist. So thank you.

[Phil Labonte]

Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

And you're watching the uncensored show. You can call in if you're a member. You can call us on the phone and you can call us up and be like, I just plain don't like Ian. And we'll be like, well, okay, I guess that was always allowed. All right. We'll grab some more shot of Jamo. Should I compromise my values and get a Planet Fitness membership to help my overweight friend get in shape or keep my values and not give Planet Fitness money?

[Phil Labonte]

Don't give Planet Fitness money. Avoid it. I mean, look, I, I, I say that, but I do have a Planet Fitness membership that I don't because I travel a lot. So pardon me.

[Ned Ryan]

Why, why wouldn't you join? Why is this a moral.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, super woke that. And also because they're the let fellas.

[Libby Emmons]

In the ladies rooms.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, they do and all like, but more than that, like, it's not really for ser. For people that seriously want to lift away.

[Tim Pool]

They have a lunk alarm.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

That you can spin the thing and goes or something like that.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I, I've never heard one go off. But if you're like, grunting or making noise when you're lifting weights, they'll go ahead and they'll embarrass you and try and shame you. Because the, the goal, the argument is we don't want this to be a, you know, where the meatheads lift weights and stuff. And so they're like, oh, you know, we want to have everybody come in here, but really what they want is people that aren't very serious to come in because they, you sign up for.

[Tim Pool]

A membership, never come back, which means.

[Ned Ryan]

The wear and tear than month, month.

[Tim Pool]

And you can't cancel.

[Libby Emmons]

That's, it's very hard to cancel, Jim.

[Ned Ryan]

Oh, really?

[Tim Pool]

Well, because when you sign up, it says a bunch of stuff about, like.

[Ned Ryan]

Never joined a gym.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it says, like, you're signing up for two years and you, and if you cancel, we'll still charge you.

[Ned Ryan]

I just, I, I take any money I would have used on a gym membership and I just buy my equipment for my basement.

[Libby Emmons]

I was really pissed. During COVID business, I'm gonna open a gym. I had a, I had a gym membership.

[Ned Ryan]

Not bad.

[Libby Emmons]

And I went to the gym like every day. And then during COVID they were like, you can't. You have to work out in a mask. And I was like, I can't. And they had all these dividers. And I was like, whenever I come here, there's no space for me, and you're making me wear a mask. You need to give me, you need to let me out of this contract. And they wouldn't. It was infuriating.

[Ned Ryan]

Depending.

[Libby Emmons]

They changed the terms of the deal and then didn't let me change, like.

[Ned Ryan]

Stop paying depending on the gym. You look at the monthlies over the course of a couple years. It was New York, but it adds up. And then you just go. I have that money to be able to invest in a certain amount of equipment.

[Tim Pool]

Do you guys ever see that video where the woman's doing the. It was like a leg press, and then her feet go all the way up, out, and then.

[Phil Labonte]

So gross.

[Tim Pool]

They go the other way.

[Libby Emmons]

Dear God. Yeah, I. I do what you do. I have, like a. I have a treadmill. I have a little exercise bike.

[Phil Labonte]

Never lock your knees, ever.

[Libby Emmons]

Why would you ever do that?

[Phil Labonte]

Bad decisions.

[Libby Emmons]

I have a yoga mat. Yeah, I do stuff at my house.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's see, what have we here? Not a banned account says undocumented Americans are Americans too.

[Ned Ryan]

No, no. What do you mean, undocumented Americans?

[Tim Pool]

You remember when they were trying to do the whole undocumented citizens thing?

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, they've. They always try. It's. It's.

[Tim Pool]

They were. They started saying undocumented citizen because then it means, why can't citizens vote?

[Ned Ryan]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Documented citizens.

[Ned Ryan]

Right. It's all semantics to try and achieve what they want.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

There's no such thing as an undocumented.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's just in regard to the gyms, I think the Federal Trade Commission did something good for one once. They said that in April 2025 gyms other businesses required to make an easy to cancel policy in order to. Yeah, in order to stop this from happening. Essentially get someone in the. In the door and then never let them leave. Yeah, but I. I don't completely disagree. The issue is people go to the gym and say, I want to sign up for this gym. And the gym's just like, okay, well, there's like a capacity on how many people could be anytime at once. So if you sign up, are you seriously going to be signing up? And they go, sure. Then they never show up up again. So, sure. Some of the gyms are like, you know, we're gonna try and squeeze pennies out of you. I think it's largely as a business. You're like, if everybody just came in and signed up and then left, we couldn't function as a business. So if you're signing up, you're signing up for six months.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, I was gonna say you have to have, like, a minimum six months. And after that, if they want to cancel, they cancel.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

You can't. You can't actually build a revenue stream that's consistent as a business. If you don't have some commitment and.

[Tim Pool]

Everybody signs up January 3rd and then never shows up again, what do they.

[Ned Ryan]

Call it quitting day. I think it's like second Friday. There's something called Quitters Day. No, look at, I think it's sometime like second Friday or second Saturday in January. Like people last for a couple weeks.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Quitters day.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

That was the 10th, 10th, second Friday of January. Every cheer marking day when many people have been to their New Year's resolution.

[Tim Pool]

I don't even have a resolution.

[Ned Ryan]

That's pretty pathetic when you think about it.

[Libby Emmons]

It's not.

[Ned Ryan]

You don't make it past January 10th.

[Libby Emmons]

It's sort of dumb to make a New Year's resolution. Like if you are resolved to do something different with your life, start now. Like just start now.

[Ned Ryan]

Just do it now.

[Libby Emmons]

Just do it right now. What's that from? I've heard that before.

[Phil Labonte]

The thing about like that phrase and stuff is people are really, really good at saying I'm gonna do this. And what happens is you get a, you get a, the same dopamine hit about. From talking about the thing you want to do as you do from actually going and doing something. Swear to God. That's why, that's why people do it. That's why there's so many people that are like, oh, I'm going to do this. You'll talk about it forever. Don't tell people and don't, you don't need to prepare, blah, blah, blah. Just go. Starting is the most.

[Ned Ryan]

Habit.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes. 21 days. And that's because there's actual physical pathways in your brain that actually have to break down.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah. But then also your body becomes addicted to the, the process and to the dopamine. Everything that's released by working out. That's why I'm like, if you can do it for 21 days. There are good addictions in life and that's one of them where you have to, your body craves it, so you have to go 21 days.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. When I, if I like don't work out for a couple days or something, like my body feels all tense and my legs feel bad. It's terrible.

[Ned Ryan]

And I'm a better person for it.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Schlip says, did you guys see the bill to repeal the nfa? Don't. Doesn't someone introduce that like all the time though?

[Libby Emmons]

It's the nfa National Firearms Act.

[Phil Labonte]

It's what makes short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns and suppressors federally regulated.

[Ned Ryan]

By the way though, did you see the news report today? There's 490 million privately owned guns in this country.

[Phil Labonte]

Get those numbers up.

[Tim Pool]

As a rookie Numbers they are rookie.

[Ned Ryan]

I said, this is a nice start. Buy more guns and ammo. We should hit 500 million. We're talking about July 4th.

[Tim Pool]

1.5 guns per person, if not even 1.3.

[Ned Ryan]

I think it's basically in the hands of like 100 to 110 million. I think is what it. I think average about four, four and.

[Libby Emmons]

Half guns get one, you just can't stop getting them.

[Tim Pool]

I think I own probably like 50 something. Something like that.

[Ned Ryan]

Then you get into the product, then you start building them.

[Tim Pool]

Having on that.

[Ned Ryan]

Oh, it's fun.

[Libby Emmons]

You going to get a 3D printer?

[Phil Labonte]

Most of the. No, I.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I wanted. I wanted to build a macro carbon carbine. Carbine.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because funny thing happened when like Luke came over and then he was telling me, like, ammo prices are going up so you should stock up with some 9mm. And then I just went on ammo.com and just click 9mm. And I just like clicked the button a bunch. And when it showed up, it was Makarov and Soviet bullets, I think 3x18.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, you just got to clean your.

[Tim Pool]

And so I. Luke and I looked at him and they were like, it's written in Cyrillic. And we were like, yeah, this is wrong. And then ammo.com emails me and they were like, we realized you probably weren't intending to buy Makarov at that scale. And I was like, you are correct. But it's okay, I want to keep them. And so I was just like, we just need to make a weapon that uses them.

[Ned Ryan]

AR9.

[Libby Emmons]

Did you make the weapon?

[Tim Pool]

Is that what. What uses them? No.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, AR9s are awesome.

[Tim Pool]

No, there's something called like. Like a PA Is it PA something?

[Ned Ryan]

I don't know. You should build. You should either build or buy an AR9. It sounds like a souped up.22 has the same tiny bit more kick than a 22 PA63.

[Tim Pool]

Was that it?

[Ned Ryan]

They're a fun gun. AR9s.

[Tim Pool]

AR9s. I've got. I've got two Makrov handguns. They're Soviet. I think it's the PI 63. Is that what it is?

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Let me check.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm looking at the.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, yep. I got two of those. And it's funny because it is like miserably bad. They. They're ergonomic for the right hand only.

[Ned Ryan]

It looks so bad.

[Tim Pool]

It's miserable. It bites your hand. It hurts. And wearing a glove don't help.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

When we would go to the range, nobody would want to use it. And I'm like well that's the thing about the Soviets. They didn't care if it hurt. They just care that it worked.

[Ned Ryan]

That it works. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Cheap gun. But. But the funny thing is right hand ergonomics comic.

[Ned Ryan]

The one of my funny stories is my wife one year gave me a gift certificate to local gun shop because I really wanted to get a nice hunting over under shotgun. And I went into the the store and he's like we don't have any. And he's like right now it's probably going to be on back order. And then I saw a semi auto MKA 1919 assault 12 gauge shotgun. I was like well that looks fun. I'll buy that instead came home memorials like I gave you a certificate to get a nice hunting shotgun and you come home with this a like. Yeah. So then I went next level and bought a 20 round drum for it. It's a great gun. MKA 1919.

[Tim Pool]

It's been a while since I went to the range of these 9x18. Is that what it is? 9 by 18 macaron. Why'd I say three 9x? I I've got. It's the. It's the 410 shotgun. That's AK style. Do you know what it's called?

[Ned Ryan]

I don't.

[Tim Pool]

It's been a while since 410. Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Well there was a.

[Tim Pool]

And I got a 100 round drum on it.

[Ned Ryan]

Are you serious?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Those are 410.

[Ned Ryan]

So I. I'll sometimes go into the Sega A shooting range. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I think that's what it is.

[Ned Ryan]

Huh.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ned Ryan]

And I'll just load up the 20 round drum for the shotgun and just. You just unload it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It's a 410se I think y. Huh.

[Phil Labonte]

Sega is. Is they make AK style shotguns in 410. They make them and I got 100.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's 100 round 410 drum. It's huge and it's silly and it's so much fun.

[Ned Ryan]

Dude, they're heavy.

[Phil Labonte]

Wrong with it.

[Ned Ryan]

When you fully load up those drums it's heavy. It's a heavy gun.

[Tim Pool]

Fun.

[Ned Ryan]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

And then I got a. What a KSG25 is.

[Phil Labonte]

Is what is got a lot of guns Tim.

[Tim Pool]

I do. I got to bear it.

[Ned Ryan]

I got to. Luke.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Luke was trying to get me to buy a Gatling like a. Like a. A miniature 9mm Gatling gun. And I was like Luke, this is too much.

[Phil Labonte]

What you need to.

[Tim Pool]

You need too many.

[Phil Labonte]

You need to buy at least one M16 fully auto rifle. You can buy them. They're available.

[Tim Pool]

Available.

[Phil Labonte]

It's gonna cost you like 40, 50 grand for a good one, but yeah, stamp and all.

[Tim Pool]

That takes forever.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, but it does. But I mean, you've got time.

[Tim Pool]

I don't have time.

[Phil Labonte]

No, but you don't. All you do is fill out the paperwork and then they do all the stuff. You don't have to. It's not like you have to. Like, it's crazy. It is a lot of people.

[Tim Pool]

I don't have time. Seriously, like, they do it on purpose.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

As you people. You can't do it. All right, where are we at? Where are we at? We'll grab a couple more super chats here. Let's jump all the way down. What do we got that I'm going.

[Phil Labonte]

To keep sending you?

[Tim Pool]

Big 7588 says, so many guns lost overboard every year. Indeed. One of my favorites is single action revol 22 single action revolver. That's a nice one. Little lady bitty cowboy gun, huh? All right, let's see. We'll grab one more. Batm says Latin mass. Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity, Eastern or otherwise. Something with ancient meaning, what we rally behind can't be insubstantial.

[Libby Emmons]

Correct. I like that.

[Phil Labonte]

I've been to Latin mass.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, smash that, like, button. Share the show with everyone you know. Do you, do you. Do you share the show? Do you tell everybody, hey, guys, this is the best show because apparently I've heard a lot of people do, and I really do appreciate it. Thank you so much. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Become a [e-mail] because that members only show is coming up in a few minutes. Ned, do you want to shout anything, anything out?

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah. Can I shout out the new book, American Leviathan, folks? Great book. I just wrote it came out in September. Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism. If you really want to know what's going on in D.C. today and understand the dynamics and the conflict, you got to read American Leviathan.

[Phil Labonte]

Good stuff.

[Libby Emmons]

Cool. I got a copy. Thanks for my copy.

[Ned Ryan]

Yeah, there you go.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm Libby Emmons. I'm at the Post Millennial, and you can find me on Twitter Ibby Emmons. And if you have comments or story tips or anything like that, you could email me at Liberty, the PM News. Libby isn't short for Liberty, but that would be cool. So awesome.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. You can subscribe to my page there. I'm fill that remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. January 31st our new record called Antifragile drops. If you want to check some songs out, you can check out forever Cold, let you go Notes, more tomorrow and Divine. They're all available on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and Diesel. Now go to Spotify and presave the disc drops on the 31st. And don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all [e-mail] in about a minute. Thanks for hanging out.