Dems SHUTDOWN Government For NO KINGS Insurrection, Block Police Pay w/ Peter Navarro

Summary

Timcast IRL | October 14, 2025

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Dems SHUTDOWN Government For NO KINGS Insurrection, Block Police Pay w/ Peter Navarro

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Overview

In this episode, Tim Pool and the Timcast IRL crew are joined by Peter Navarro (former Trump White House advisor) for a heated and fast-paced discussion about the ongoing government shutdown, alleged political motivations driving the shutdown, intensifying civil unrest, judiciary overreach, weaponization of the justice system, and the deeper cultural and generational divides splitting the U.S. Other hot topics include illegal immigration, the danger of AI misinformation, and explosive cultural controversies.

Main Guests:

• Tim Pool (Host)
• Peter Navarro (Author, former Trump senior counselor)
• Seamus Coughlin (FreedomToons creator)
• Phil Labonte (Singer, All That Remains)
• Shane (Shane Cashman) (Host, Inverted World Live)

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Key Discussion Points

1. Government Shutdown: Why and What’s at Stake?

• [01:41-12:34]
  • Reports of riots in Chicago and the Pacific Northwest, government shutdown looms—predicted to last 35+ days.
  • Tim Pool: "Democrats could end this shutdown whenever they want, but there's a reason they're likely not going to... the 'No Kings' protest this Saturday."
    • Suggests Dems are keeping the shutdown to let federal employees (including police) out of work and join the protests, while federal law enforcement go unpaid but must still engage in riot control.
    • Peter Navarro: “The American people are being held hostage by Chuck Schumer's poll numbers.” [12:12]
    • The group debates whether this is political theater around the "No Kings" protest and intra-party power struggles (AOC vs. Schumer).

2. Political Primaries, Generational Shift, and Party Evolution

• [12:34-19:14]
  • Peter Navarro: Discusses how low-turnout primaries threaten moderate Democrats with displacement by "far left" candidates and how Wall Street and mainstream political forces react to prolonged chaos.
  • Tim Pool: Predicts as boomers age out, Gen X "pro-Trump" voters and radicalized younger generations will entrench a split: "Multicultural democracy" vs. "constitutional republic" worldviews.
    • “With the mortality shelf for the boomer generation now, you are going to have a bisection in this country.” [18:05]

3. Bifurcated Law Enforcement & Civil Unrest – Heading Towards 1861?

• [21:13-25:43]
  • Tension between federal law and localism: Illinois government siding with ICE facility rioters, police and judicial action increasingly determined by political/partisan loyalty.
    • Tim Pool: "This is 1861 territory. This is very much Illinois saying, your facility is forfeit. Open your barriers..." [23:54]
    • Portland example: Police siding with leftist rioters; conservatives and journalists face targeted arrests and violence.

4. Weaponization of the Justice System (“Lawfare”)

• [25:43-29:49]
  • Navarro narrates how, in his view, judges are selected for partisan loyalty, stripping defendants of constitutional defense, and being rewarded for servicing political ends.
    • Peter Navarro: "A politician in a black robe who's ambitious and got there only because he pandered politically…" [26:33]
  • Tim ties current law enforcement/judicial behavior to the radicalization of the bench and the underlying cultural split.

5. Immigration as the Core Catalyst

• [29:49-31:36]
  • Discussed as a tool for Democratic entrenchment; 10–20 million new illegal entrants cited as shifting the country from assimilation to fragmentation.
    • Tim Pool: "Importing multicultural democracy destroys American society." [30:24]
  • Comparisons with failed nation-building and assimilation abroad.

6. Historic Left-Right Divide & Radicalization

• [31:36-33:00]
  • Seamus and Phil debate whether today's left is historically consistent with violent roots (French Revolution, Spanish Civil War) or whether U.S. leftism was more benign until recently.

7. Collapse of Neutral Law Enforcement & Partisan Policing

• [34:12-36:52]
  • Multiple cases where police/prosecutors pursue right-wing victims or zone enforcement for partisan objectives.
    • Tim Pool: "If we were in Japan analyzing the U.S., we'd say Democrat law enforcement are arresting enemy partisans." [36:19]

8. Navarro’s Imprisonment and FBI Activities

• [36:52-41:23]

  • Navarro recounts his arrest, connections to FBI agent Walter Giardina (implicated in efforts against Trump), his book "I went to prison so you won't have to," and themes of accountability and political prosecution.

  • Peter Navarro: “If we don’t hold them accountable, they will do it again and again.” [41:10]

9. Escalation: Legal Warfare, Targeting of Trump’s Allies, and Societal Fracture

• [41:23-53:22]
  • Protesters now openly resist federal authority; left-aligned DAs and judges pursue Trump lawyers and surrogates.
  • Reprise of themes: Democrats as existential threat, open antipathy for traditional American structures.
  • Tim Pool: "...They arrested Trump's lawyers. This is the most shocking and egregious thing..." [42:39]

10. AI, Misinformation, and the End of Consensus Reality

• [77:08-84:23]
  • AI-generated media (video, audio) poised to make discernment impossible, usher in an era where no evidence can be trusted.
    • “We're going to get a video of... a politician doing something very believable.” [77:44]
  • Phil and Peter observe that mainstream media already manipulates "reality"—AI supercharges this.

11. Cultural Degradation & Media Ownership

• [112:33-117:43]
  • Tim’s skateboarding analogy: offshoring, tariffs, and the annihilation of American culture through economic policy.
  • Discussion of the legacy/corporate press, “Harry Potter liberals,” and the smutty publishing industry push.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Navarro on the Shutdown:
  “The American people are being held hostage by Chuck Schumer’s poll numbers.” [12:12]

• Tim Pool on Partisan Law Enforcement:
  “I’m not saying civil war. I’m saying law enforcement are arresting their enemy partisans.” [22:28]

• Phil Labonte on Public Safety:
  “If they have barriers up, they're there to protect the federal agents ... You take that down, you're putting federal agents in harm's way.” [24:03]

• Peter Navarro on Judiciary:
  “A politician in a black robe who's ambitious and got there only because he pandered politically ... the root of that evil is a judiciary which has been weaponized...” [26:33]

• Tim Pool on Cultural Shift:
  “Importing multicultural democracy destroys American society.” [30:24]

• Seamus Coughlin on the Left’s History:
  “The left has essentially always existed to justify, like, the slaughter of innocent people and children and Christian children.” [72:24]

• Tim Pool on AI and Reality:
  “AI is gonna make it a million times worse. ... With AI, that [debunking] won’t happen ... reality will become irrelevant.” [79:01, 80:38]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:41] – Main Show Start: The government shutdown, riots, protest context
• [12:12-12:34] – Navarro: Chuck Schumer’s poll numbers & shutdown motivations
• [18:05-19:14] – Tim Pool: The generational bisection of U.S. politics
• [21:13-25:43] – Chicago ICE Facility, federal-local bifurcation, Civil War analogies
• [25:43-29:49] – Navarro on Lawfare and judicial politicization
• [29:49-31:36] – Immigration as political weapon; cultural impact
• [34:12-36:52] – Partisan law enforcement; Portland and Antifa
• [36:52-41:23] – Navarro’s FBI experience and weaponized arrests
• [42:39-43:04] – Tim: The charging of Trump’s legal team & political persecution
• [77:08-84:23] – Deep dive on realistic AI, manipulated media, and mass delusion
• [112:33-117:43] – Culture, skateboarding, tariffs, media/culture wars

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Episode Tone & Style

• Language/Tone:
  Unfiltered, adversarial, critical of Democratic leadership, institutions, and “Mainstream Media.” Frequent analogies to history, civil conflict, and cultural revolution. Ranging from analytic to polemical and alarmed, with moments of gallows humor.

• Atmosphere:
  Fast-moving, passionate, frequently interrupted by hosts and guests weighing in with historical perspective, cultural asides, and personal anecdotes (especially from Navarro).

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For Listeners: Why This Episode Matters

This episode distills the rising anxieties and polemics of America's political right confronted by what they see as unprecedented government overreach, a weaponized justice system, and the collapse of consensus reality—exacerbated by demographic change, AI misinformation, and a mainstream media they believe is fundamentally corrupt. It's both a chronicle of the moment (protests, shutdowns, political prosecutions) and a warning about where the fissures in American civil society may lead.

If you want to understand how much of the right views the stakes of 2024–2026, their version of history and analysis of current events, this is essential listening.

Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

Riots in Chicago. Riots in the Pacific Northwest. People are clashing with ice. The National Guard has been cleared to be federalized in Illinois, but they are blocking Trump's deployment of the troops on the ground. And the government is shut down. And it could be one of the longest shutdowns we've seen in a long time. Call. She is predicting it could be upwards of 35 or more days of shutdown. But the politicos are pointing out something quite interesting. You see, Democrats could end this shutdown whenever they want, but there's a reason they're likely not going to, and that is the no Kings protest this Saturday. The speculation is that Democrats are intentionally keeping the government shut down for two reasons. Police are going to well, they're not getting paid. They're being promised you're gonna get back pay in D.C. when the government reopens. But right now reporting suggests they won't. Receive any money but they'll have to go out and do riot duty while Democrats will be off from work and free to join in massive protests and bullhorn and man when we started talking about I'm like it's gonna be crazy if federal police aren't getting paid. In the meantime we are seeing DHS and I still doing their jobs despite the government being shut down cuz they're expected to get paid. So I think things should be largely okay. But that being said, our culture War Live event is being postponed because unbeknownst to us they were going to be doing this massive protest when we planned the event. So we're gonna have to move that one. We got a lot more news to go through what with the antifa stuff and all. The FBI has been reaching out to prominent personalities. Glenn Beck, Nick Sorter contacted by the FBI for information pertaining to Antifa, which is a group. And Zorin Mamdani has reportedly been caught taking in $13,000 in foreign contributions. Now one might say, Ah, but it's an accident, he'll give the money back. Except some of the money, a large contribution of over $2,000 came from his mother in law who lives in Dubai. I don't. Doesn't sound like an accident to me. So we'll talk about that and more before we get started my friends. We got a great sponsor. It is. We got a great sponsor for it tonight. It is Beam Dream. Head over to shopbeam.com Timcast I'm sorry Timpool and pick up your Beam Dream. This stuff is fantastic. Delicious hot cocoa. I drink it every night before I go to bed and I sleep beautifully. It's got melatonin, l theanine, it's got magnesium. That's the secret. Especially if you're working out, you gotta make sure you got your magnesium. Only 15 calories. So no groggy feeling. You wake up feeling like a million bucks. And it works. My sleep score's been dramatically improving. It has improved dramatically over the past month or two since I started taking this every single day. I'm a huge fan. Check out shop b-a m.comshopbeam.com Tim Pool and you will get up to 35% off, limited time only. I'm a big fan. Thanks for sponsoring the show. Beam Dream. We got one more sponsor. It is Cove Cove Pure. You may have seen this my friends. Utah and Florida recently banned Floyd in their drinking water. We're huge fans of that by the way. Now ask yourself, why are they doing a massive U turn on a Chemical that's been pumped into our water for 80 years. Maybe it's because they finally realized it's authoritarian. Let me just add there's something very strange about everybody voting to put some kind of chemical in your water. I know they do chlorine as well, but fluoride seems particularly pernicious. They say you need the freedom to choose pure water. You do. That's why you guys check out Cove Pure, a countertop water purifier certified to remove up to 99.9% of impurities. That includes fluoride. Fluoride, yes, but also other garbage. PFAs, fertilizer, run up, pharmaceuticals, you name it. The taste is a game changer too, guys. This is what water is supposed to taste like. Pure, clean, no aftertaste. You'll want more. And it's so easy. No drilling, no plumbers. Just fill it, plug it in. It's easy. The best part is you can choose any temperature, hot or cold, with one tap. Look, if you like fluoride, you know, by all means chug all the fluoride you want, whatever. But if you don't. But don't wait for the government to sort out pure water. Do it yourself. Head over to covpure.com Tim and for a limited time, get $200 off. That's C-O-V E P U-R-E.com Tin and don't forget to also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have the great Peter Navarro.

[Peter Navarro]

Tim, welcome back, man. I've been hanging out here for a couple weeks, just taking it back. Skating, stuff like that is waiting for.

[Tim Pool]

Me to get here.

[Peter Navarro]

He told me, he said I had to come early, so. But good see you again, man.

[Tim Pool]

Likewise. For those that aren't familiar, who are you and what do you do?

[Peter Navarro]

Well, I am a senior counselor for trade manufacturing at the Trump White House. I was there for four years in the first term, actually, Tim, I don't know this. Only one of three senior White House advisors who was with the Boss from the campaign in 2016 all the way to the end of that first term. Me, Dan Scavino, who folks don't know, he's the magician who did all the social media for the Boss in the first term. And of course, Stephen Miller, who's the shadow borders along with Tom Holman. So I'm doing that. I'm here tonight because I got this book out. I went to prison so you won't have to it's my. It's called a love and lawfare story in Trumpland. It's about how weaponized system of injustice when the Democrats had control of the power put me in prison for a misdemeanor. That wasn't a crime, Tim. Up until the point where they made it a crime. It was right outta I think it was barrier in the Soviet Union. Show me the man, I'll show you the crime. So I'm here a little bit to talk about that but it's gonna be kind of interesting because a lot of the things that are going on with all these court cases, cases and where they're trying to stop Trump doing this, that and the other thing, National Guard. It all boils down to one of the themes that run through I went to prison so you won't have to which is to say politicians in black robes in our justice system rather than people who are actually trying to do justice on behalf of the American people. So it's great to be with you. This is my third time. I think with you. It's always a pleasure come out. I was envious of your extensive collection of guitars. Oh yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Extensive collection.

[Peter Navarro]

And indeed I'm, I'm here with the guys and looking forward to the dialogue.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's good, it's great to have you got Shane hanging out.

[Peter Navarro]

What's going on. It's great to be here with you, Peter. Thanks for joining us. I am the host of Inverted World Live. Tonight I'll be running out of this room around 9:40 to host my show. I'm gonna have the great Rex Jones joining us tonight. We're gonna talk about war and robots in your homes and what's going on at Infowars. And we'll be taking calls until midnight. And I'm going to have a great conspiracy for you that's as real as a heart attack, man. Which has to do with me being at the center of this conspiracy where they put me in leg irons and the guy, the FBI agent named Walter Giardina who put me in leg irons, I can tie him to every attempt to take Trump down from 2016 to 2024, including things that he knows about Crimson River. Nobody knows about that. J6, Arctic frost, crossfire, Hurricane, all that. So we're gonna have a fun talk about. Looking forward to it.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Also joining us is animation. Great. And subject of one of my favorite songs from Soundgarden, Seamus Coughlin.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Thank you so much. I appreciate the. The introduction. I'm Seamus Coughlin. I'm the creator of Freedom Tunes and I'm currently working on a full length animated show. It's an animated anthology series. We're crowdfunding it right now. So if you guys wan to our pilot episode and help support what we're doing, you can go over to Twisted plots dot com. We had an insane first week the week of our launch. We just passed the one week mark today and we have 43% of our total budget raised, which is huge. Yeah. And so. So we're at 43.56 right now. If we can get to 44 tonight, I'll be a happy man. Thank you so much for.

[Tim Pool]

Do you know what song I was referring to?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I don't. But I knew it was some kind of insult and I thought, I'll roll with it. I'll be good natured about this.

[Tim Pool]

Anybody want to say it?

[Phil Labonte]

Spoon man.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, me.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You know I would never do that.

[Tim Pool]

Spoon man.

[Phil Labonte]

Come together with your plan.

[Tim Pool]

Hello, everybody.

[Phil Labonte]

My name is Phil Abonti. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. So let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the news from the ap. Government shutdown could be the longest ever. Speaker Johnson warns. And you know, I can ask. I really care about the government for the most part, interestingly. And shout out to Kalshi for sponsoring the segment on their in their prediction market. How long will the government shut down last? The current prediction is 32.9 days. So they're giving it over 30 days. That's pretty dang wild. But there is one reason why I think it actually matters why they're shutting the government down. Because I know that you guys were mentioning, you talked with Riley Moore about this. There's more commentary coming out. The no Kings protest. Millions are expected to protest on Saturday and. And federal law enforcement aren't being paid right now. So it's interesting as to what we could expect to happen with law enforcement agent officers and agents being like, I've not gotten paid. There's videos of, you know, military servicemen, men and women going to food banks. I don't know if that's related or out of context, whatever, but we've got this clip I want to play for you guys. Well, we'll, we'll play this one here. I don't know. It's a couple of minutes. Sources are telling me that the whole reason that the Democrats are doing this is because they want to be there for next weekend's no Kings march in Washington. Where you're going to see these activists march in Washington this coming Saturday. One senator told me that the groups are threatening Minority Leader Schumer, telling him, you better do this and keep the government closed or we will make you irrelevant. And so do you believe that's what this is about? It's more theatrics than really any, you know, marriage to these Obamacare subsidies. Well, Maria, the American people are being.

[Peter Navarro]

Held hostage by Chuck Schumer's poll numbers.

[Tim Pool]

Why did he go with a clean CR in the spring?

[Peter Navarro]

What's changed is his poll numbers versus AOC have collapsed.

[Tim Pool]

And if in fact they are waiting.

[Peter Navarro]

For this no kings protest, you know.

[Tim Pool]

No kings Kings means no paychecks.

[Peter Navarro]

No paychecks and no government. Sure.

[Tim Pool]

But I think so. I think that's absolutely the reason. I'm curious what you guys think.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm curious what you think of the shutdown actually as somebody who has experience.

[Peter Navarro]

In so, so here's, here's what I think is going on. It's, it's a byproduct of our, the way our political systems structured. So if you're a moderate Democrat today and you want to side with the sensible thing to not shut down the government, your greatest fear is what it's being primaried by some wacko, you know, a mom dummy or an AOC type figure. Right. So, and the reality is in these primary elections for Congress, they're very, very low turnout. And because they're low turnout, the only people come out are the far left. So you could, a moderate Democrat could very easily lose a primary when they would actually cruise to victory in a runoff. So that's kind of like, kind of standard kind of problem there. The beauty of this from, from our side is that turns Russ Vogt, the director of OMB, into, into what's going to be a folk hero because the rules of the shutdown allow the President through the Office of Management and Budget to cut where we think it's best to cut. And that's the Democrats worst nightmare. So at one point they got to wake up to that reality. If you notice the wall, it hadn't bothered Wall street at all because a little bit of shutdown at least with Russ vote cutting where we need to get cut and cutting back some of that spending, that was crazy, that was done by Biden actually helps on the inflation front and that filters down to our interest rates. I'm looking to see that 10 year bond yield drop below 4. You know that's going to be kind of a critical thing to Unlock the housing market again. So that's where we're at.

[Tim Pool]

I don't, I don't, I don't know that. I don't know that I agree that any of that matters, to be honest. I mean from like a.

[Peter Navarro]

You mean the shutdown itself? The shutdown could go on forever, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm saying the younger generation is looking at more immediate problems pertaining to security and society as opposed to financials. I mean, Gen Z's probably resigned themselves never owning homes at all anyway.

[Peter Navarro]

They got credit cards. They got credit cards.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I think the problem with credit cards probably just rack up the debt, never pay it off.

[Peter Navarro]

Yeah, well, it's a 20% debt. It's a little higher than the mafia, you know. Yeah. So I don't know. It's like interest rates affect you in a lot of ways. Let's say you don't have a credit card and you're never going to buy a house. The businesses that serve you, particularly the small ones, are stuck with these higher interest rates and then prices go up and you pay more and stuff like that. It's like if we're in a. I guess my point from a macro thing, Tim, is that if, if you're in a higher interest rate environment, it's very hard to be prosperous. So that's kind of.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right. But my point, that is the thinking of the older generation that I would qualify for that. But I would argue that just to.

[Peter Navarro]

Be clear, day over 75, the younger.

[Tim Pool]

Generation doesn't have access to things. They have no corporate securities, they don't own homes, they don't own any kind of property. And so what we are seeing now is the conversation from younger people isn't really around the specifics of fixing policy. Younger people are more like, which, which revolution do we want? Do we want the communist or the traditional right wing? You go to them and say, hey look, we want to change interest. They're going to say, huh? My concern is that you've either got the transient kid open border side or you've got the faith based Restoration of America side.

[Phil Labonte]

I think what, I think what you're saying actually makes a lot of sense. Particularly we were talking about this last, like last week, AOC is likely to primary Chuck Schumer. Right. Like she's looking for a more prestigious job. She's likely to, to primary Chuck Schumer. And the people that you're talking about, Tim, they're, they're actually aligned with.

[Tim Pool]

And look at Zoran Mamdani.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, he's doing great.

[Tim Pool]

Issue is not we are going to fix the policy, is going to make it easier by House. It's we're going to steal stuff and give it to you.

[Peter Navarro]

But remember, they're not necessarily aoc. Remember the beauty of Tim Pool and Donald Trump was the ability to bring in the younger generation. I mean, we did extremely well. Extremely well. And that 2024 election and a lot of it, I mean, you guys are cutting edge on this. And it was primarily the males, the young men who kind of understand things in a more textured way than before. But so I, you know, but the thing with New York, if you just play that out, okay, so she primaries Schumer and New York skewed Dem. So if you win the primary, you win the race. See, that's the problem. Unless you pull a Cuomo and try to do an independent thing and, you know, the system's broken. Bottom line, I think we're a 50, 50 country, which is dangerous.

[Tim Pool]

What we're going to see is that something we talked about quite a bit is the mortality shelf for the boomer generation is now. So over the next five to ten years we're expected to lose. I think it's between, you know, 20 to 40 million boomers. And this, this type of politics won't exist anymore. You are going to have younger boomers and older Gen X taking the place of the older voter. Gen X, of course, very pro Trump. They got Trump in then the younger generation is going to be entering their 30s, taking control of industry at least a degree where they can. And then you are going to see this bifurcation is here already at the generation, no question. So when they move up into the industry, you will now have a bisection in this country. Far left communist worldviews, traditional right wing constitutional republic Republicanist worldviews. And what we're seeing already with fighting in the streets, these two distinct worldviews view themselves as an entirely different nations essentially. So again with the no kings protest coming up on Saturday with the government shutdown. I don't, I don't think the government shutdown conversation matters at all to young leftists. I think you may as well.

[Peter Navarro]

I certainly doesn't matter. Young left is there is like they like this is aoc.

[Tim Pool]

I'm talking about aoc.

[Peter Navarro]

She's just a political opportunist at this point.

[Tim Pool]

She's got the followers, she's got the.

[Peter Navarro]

Money and if anything happens, she blames it on somebody else.

[Tim Pool]

And Schumer is following her lead because he knows he's losing.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that No, I don't think he's.

[Peter Navarro]

Losing an absolutely no win situation. And just, I mean, you remember Tim, when we had the shutdown the last time, it was Schumer that actually folded and reopened the government and he took tremendous heat for that. And that was the beginning of AOC going after him. So he, he's like, we're, we're a victim of his own situation. But I tell you, Tim, I've known schumer for like 30 years. I've been fighting this China fight. And I remember Chuck was the original guy who talked a good game on China but never did anything. I mean that guy is the sleaziest two faced guy. They had a game. It was really interesting. Congress would try to do this bill on Chinese currency manipulation. China undervalues the currency. They could sell us more shit and take our jobs. Right. So one year Schumer would, they would sponsor the bill. They'd have one in the House, one in the Senate. And Schumer would get a, get a good vote in the Senate, but then the House would vote against it so it wouldn't fall. And then the next year they'd switch and it was like this game. So I don't trust Chuck as far as I could throw him. New York politics is broken. The problem is this country is. It's like a 50, 50 country. Blue versus red. You got Pritzker in Illinois talking smack with Durbin about the boss. And meanwhile people are dying in the streets every day in Chicago. They don't see it, they don't care. And I think you're right, Tim. I think we're, we're going into a world where it's, it's going to be just, just very one against the other. And it could turn ways that we don't want.

[Tim Pool]

I think it, I think it will. Let's pull up the story. We got some ABC Chicago. Illinois leaders call for the removal of Broadview ICE facility fence as judges deadline nears. Yup. A judge said that ICE has to remove a barrier that was put up to stop the rioters. And now Illinois leaders are saying they have to as well. It is, it's patently obvious in my mind. I mean, this is psychotic. You have a federal law enforcement facility that is enforced in the law of the duly elected government and they are facing riots and the local government is siding with the rioters. Yep. I watched a video the other day of. It was a DHS guy, two of them trying to arrest what was what is alleged to be an illegal immigrant. I don't know for sure, but there's a Hispanic guy screaming ayuda may to Spanish for help me. And the bystanders, do they intervene and help him escape? That is where we currently are in this country. And I think people need to understand what this leads to. Another example here is this WGN producer who is on video on laying on the ground, getting arrested. And what did the left report? ICE arrests, WGN producer. My response is, what does her job have to do with it? She was arrested for throwing rocks at cops.

[Peter Navarro]

Yeah, right.

[Tim Pool]

If you're standing on the street, you throw a rock at a cop and they arrest you, you don't go like arrested by lawyer or police arrested lawyer. So what we're seeing now is they don't care about what is or is not. They care about power. More importantly, the bifurcation in government is happening. There is no reason, in my opinion, to see why this would reverse. When the federal government says, we're going to deport people, the Illinois government says, tear down your fences. Let the rioters in. We've got another video we'll talk about in a little bit where more conservatives are being arrested in Portland. And I'm seeing these people on expost. Why are the police arresting the victims? Because these conservatives have not gotten it through their. Their head yet. The police are not arresting conservatives. The militarized force of the Pacific Northwest are arresting enemy partisans. That's it. That is not hyperbole. That is not exaggeration. I'm not saying civil war. I'm saying law enforcement are arresting their enemy partisans. That's what's happening. That's what we're seeing now, where it goes when the federal government is now fighting with, with local law enforcement and government over how to enforce federal law. This is, I'm, I. This is 1861 territory. This is very much Illinois saying, your facility is forfeit. Open your barriers. The federal government saying, absolutely not. Not too dissimilar, though. There is still a great degree of difference with Fort Sumter.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, the fact that they're taking down the fence, this is just asking for something to happen to federal agents.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Of course.

[Peter Navarro]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, if they have barriers up, they're there to protect the federal agents and to allow the federal agents to control the rioters and protesters and stuff. If you take that down, you're putting federal agents in harm. Harm's way. You're making it possible for the protesters and the black bloc and the rioters to actually attack the building itself.

[Tim Pool]

In Portland, when the ICE facility barricaded their windows with boards. The city filed a zoning violation saying they had to remove the boards from their windows. This is a federal facility just putting up boards. You could put boards in your windows. It's riots. I had a conversation with Aron McIntyre earlier about, you know, bleeding Kansas and the violence that led up to the Civil War. And the point he made was that the Civil War didn't start with Fort Sumter. It had been going on for seven years prior to where people had been moving from other states into Kansas to try and influence the politics because they knew every state that entered as either a slave state or a free state would affect federal level politics. I don't, I see similarities between what we're seeing here, the Spanish Civil War, Syrian French Revolution, Bolsheviks, all of these things, because the underlying circumstances are similar for all of these things. We are at the point now where Trump has deployed Texas National Guard into Illinois. A separate state of the opposing ideology has volunteered a force of military to be dispatched into a rival political state to enforce the law. A judge has just blocked their deployment to the streets, but is allowing Trump to federalize local military.

[Peter Navarro]

Let me, let me give you a little, little background because I told you off air that this book I went to prison so you won't have to. My experience with the justice system kind of explains exactly what's going on in Illinois, what's going on in Portland, for example. The judge, Ahmet Mehta, who was the judge in my case, through the course of that case, would strip me, Tim, of every single defense I had. So by the time I got to a jury, I had no defense. He basically took away my constitutional rights to defense as he stripped away the constitutional separation of powers. Now, how does that pertain to this situation in the 2016 election? No, in the 2012 election, when Obama was going for his second term, Ahmet Medha was what's called a bundler. You guys know what a bundler is? A bundler is a guy who goes around and collects checks from different people, puts them in a bundle and hands them over in this case to the Obama campaign. So this judge, Ahmed Mehta, bundled campaign contributions for Obama. And then once Obama got reelected, Ahmed Mehta gets appointed to this prestigious position on the bench. But it gets worse. He knows that in order to move up the chain, first to the appeals court and the District Court in D.C. the appeals court has been the breeding ground for a lot of Supreme Court justices. He knows that in order to get to the Supreme Court, he wants to be the first Indian American to get there, he knows he's gotta kiss the derriere of the Democrats and side with their ideology. And this guy is a total pragmatist. He uses his. I call him the Jackal because he's used these clever arguments always to side with it. And that, Tim, that's the problem we're facing now with all of these judges. Every time Donald Trump tries to do something which is well within the law, a politician in a black robe who's ambitious and got there only because he, he pandered politically to the people who appointed him, basically you wind up with a situation where then we've got to take it up the chain and thank God that we have at least a majority on the Supreme Court. But it takes time. We're only there. They know this for 1500 days, Tim. That's the first thing I learned during the first term is like that day that I left, the day that I left that administration at the end of four years, I knew that I'd be turning that place back to a bunch of people who hated this country and were going to do things. We're only there for 1500 days. If they can delay us that way, or for example, if Congress can delay the appointments of people going into our bureaucracy, which they've done again to us, and that's on Schumer, then they win. So that's why this battle is. It's, It' swhat we're seeing. The outrage we see here is this kind of thing. They want to take defenses down, expose our ICE agents, violence. But the root of that evil is a judiciary which has been weaponized because of the political nature of how it's formed.

[Tim Pool]

I think the judiciary is their current cudgel. But there is a, a moral worldview among what we would call the multicultural democracy inside of this country. Democrats may not have represented this moral worldview five to ten years ago, but with AOC dominating the par, with Zoran Mamdani rising up, it has become apparent that as the younger generation gets older and inherits or seizes this power, more and more we are seeing a Republican Party that represents the Constitutional Republic of America and the Democrats that represent the multicultural democracy of America.

[Peter Navarro]

Let's not forget the role of illegal immigration in all of this.

[Tim Pool]

That's exactly the point.

[Peter Navarro]

You add 20 million people in four years minimum, and tens of millions before that, and they bring in the worst kind of memory bank of bad dictators and despots and corrupt regimes from Africa and Latin America and Asia. You're gonna get what you Get. Mamdani is like the symbol of that. I mean, that guy is, like, dangerous. Cause he's so charming in a way, but he's poisoned to the core.

[Tim Pool]

I hear a lot from the conservatives about the worst of the worst. The criminals they're bringing in. I don't care. I don't care if they're bringing in a Honduran migrant farmer who prays every day on Sunday and just wants to buy biscuits. Importing. Multicultural democracy destroys American society.

[Peter Navarro]

That's the point. That is the point, Tim. That's the point I'm making. It's like you. This whole idea of America being a melting pot. And that stopped about 30, 40 years ago. Yeah. Okay. There's no assimilation.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This was.

[Phil Labonte]

This was proven with the Iraq War. You cannot take a population that does not believe in a certain government or governmental or societal structure and then just forced that societal structure on them. We went into Iraq, we took the Ba'ath, we de Ba', Athis. Took the Ba'ath party out completely. But the people of Iraq were not Jeffersonian Republican Democrats. They did not want a democracy. Yeah, it's 100% true. But the point that I'm making is the left doesn't acknowledge that that experiment was done and it failed. And it's failed over and over and over.

[Tim Pool]

The people, they don't care.

[Phil Labonte]

No.

[Peter Navarro]

Well, we got to get a different direction. Said right, left, and then it's something else. Okay. Because the. The traditional left has no relationship. The left itself, historically, does not recognize what that is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, left, I disagree. Left and right doesn't mean anything. It just means factions. You might as well say red or blue.

[Peter Navarro]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, here's what. I respectfully disagree and really, with utmost respect, because I appreciate everything you've done, and I think you're on the money with this other part. I guess the big part I disagree with is that the left today doesn't represent the left historically. The left came onto the scene with the French Revolution. This is where we get the term. And what did they do? They were abusing nuns. They were murdering priests. They were slaughtering aristocrats. The whole goal was essentially destroying the Catholic Church, destroying tradition, ending the lives of innocent people. And the left is still up to that today. They're just using very different tools to do it.

[Tim Pool]

Don't forget Spain.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Spain.

[Tim Pool]

The Spanish Civil War.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, yeah. Digging nuns up and putting their corpses on display. I guess my point is, if you.

[Peter Navarro]

Look in American history, history, though, the left. Did we ever do this before?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, that's also because. And this is my position on the left generally, and I think the historic record bears this out. The only time the left has not like violently subjugated and slaughtered Christians has been when there was a strong enough right wing movement in the country to marginalize them to the point where they couldn't do that.

[Tim Pool]

I would say the left indeed. And I would say the left.

[Peter Navarro]

I said this last week, but the left has a history of like the Weather Underground, a lot of domestic Marxist terrorists, and this is kind of always the foundation of everything they do. It's morning Zoe Got donuts.

[Tim Pool]

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[Peter Navarro]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Peter Navarro]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Peter Navarro]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Peter Navarro]

That's how they try to wield power.

[Tim Pool]

Let'S pull this up. We've got this post from Mr. Andy no on X On October 11th, Portland Police arrested two conservatives near the ICE facility. A conservative activist was struck on the head with what is believed to be a rock near the ICE facility. He fell to the ground. The suspect fled and got away while in the hospital. The assault victim, Brian Wesley Crowell, drugged, was criminally cited by police for fourth degree assault, though it's unclear for what incident. Separately, a man named Harold Alston Smith was arrested and charged with fourth degree assault. He allegedly got into a physical scuffle with a leftist woman who confronted him. The woman was not arrested. I'll also add Nick Sorter was physically assaulted, attacked, and when he went to the police, he got arrested. Katie Davis Court was bashed in the face with a pole, injuring her face. And the police refused to arrest her assailant. Consistently, we are seeing responses to these stories from commenters and conservatives saying, why are the police arresting the victims? Perhaps at this point still, there were many conservatives that believed the police can never do anything wrong. But I will stress this point. It is time to realize what time it is. Donald Trump went on social media and said, the governor of Illinois and the mayor of Chicago should be in jail. The governor responded with, come and get me. Troops from Texas have been deployed into Illinois over the refusal of. Of the. Of Illinois and other blue states in similar circumstances to follow the law of the duly elected government. And we are watching police in Portland arrest innocent people ideologically opposed to their rule. This is a. Can be very simply and basically described to anybody who understands. If we were in Japan doing a contemporary analysis on modern politics in the United States, we would simply, I should say, in any other country, analyzing the United States, you would say, Democrat law enforcement are arresting enemy partisans. That's the literal definition of what we are seeing. It has nothing to do with crimes. It has nothing to do with what the law should or should not be. It has everything to do with the fact that Portland police are a component of an ideological Democrat institution and they are trying to subdue and subjugate enemies. People need to read history and learn about partisan conflict. And what happens. It is not that the cop walks out and says, listen, I have no opinion whatsoever. No, what happens is the cop walks out and says, I was appointed by a Democrat. I was put in power by a Democrat. I'm a Democrat, you know, gotta protect trans kids. And you're an evil Nazi bigot. You're coming to my town. Yeah, I am going to arrest you because the law doesn't matter. You're an enemy of this city.

[Peter Navarro]

Can we. This is a good segue back to I went to prison, so you won't have to, Kate. And let's talk now.

[Tim Pool]

And Merrick Garland didn't go to prison. He did not go to prison for the same thing.

[Peter Navarro]

Now, to your point, Tim, let's think about this. I get arrested in a circus arrest at the Reagan National Airport with my fiance. Five armed FBI agents grab me in a gangway. And we just learned from whistleblowers that a dozen agents were involved in surveillance. These dozen agents who weren't going out and busting terrorists or anything like that. Okay. For a misdemeanor. And I lived literally, Tim, right across the street from the FBI. And I Had told him two days early. If you need me, just give me a call. Okay, now here. That's the setup. Now, the guy who led that opinion was a guy named Walter Giadina. And whistleblowers have released documents through Senator Grassley's judiciary committee that trace this guy, Giardina, Tim. To every single effort to take down Donald Trump dating back to 2016. You guys know better than most of this country what the Steele dossier is. That's the fake dossier that tried to tie Donald Trump to Russia that Hillary Clinton paid for. Who was the FBI agent who vetted that dossier and said it was real, not fake? Huh? One of them. Walter Giadina. This was back in 2016. It starts there. He was on cross that begat Crossfire Hurricane, which was that whole investigation, which begat the Mueller report. Now, all of that gave the power to the FBI and the Department of Justice to go out and subpoena records and do this, that, and the surveil all of that stuff. And then on top of that, and Shane is the only one who knew this, there was another operation called Crimson River.

[Tim Pool]

I knew that.

[Peter Navarro]

Red Messari. I knew it too. Yeah. Now that one was really interesting because that was basically a fishing expedition for subpoenas, surveillance, phone surveillance, phone records, everything like that. $10 million in Egypt was in charge of that. And then we go to Arctic Frost, which was the biggest of the J6 investigations, which again, so to your point.

[Tim Pool]

Is this guy fired? What's going on?

[Peter Navarro]

Okay, what's going on is he did get fired.

[Tim Pool]

Is he going to jail?

[Peter Navarro]

A couple weeks ago.

[Tim Pool]

They're gonna arrest him.

[Peter Navarro]

What? I'm hoping we're gonna get more documents from whistleblowers. It's gonna dig him even deeper. Here's an even funnier thing here, and it's darkly funny. I found out that his father in law was a guy named Potts. Why does that matter? Potts used to be the deputy director of the FBI and was the head guy during what? Ruby Ridge and Waco.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Peter Navarro]

You can't make this shit up. Okay, so, so, I mean, you can imagine those dinner table conversations, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Peter Navarro]

So my point here, Tim, is that this, these. These agents and the people who are running this whole thing on behalf of these politicians, it's like they just want to get us. And I went to prison so I don't have to. But it's basically a call to, like a wake up call.

[Tim Pool]

There is the bureaucratic state, the deep state, whatever you want to call it, but the concern that I have. Is one. We've seen what Democrats do with power. You went to prison and Merrick Garland did not.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm going to sit here right now and look into the camera and ask Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, Dan, anybody to maybe. Can they still bring the charges against them? Is it. They can indeed. Okay. Lock the guy up for the same amount of time that Peter went to jail for.

[Peter Navarro]

Get him at an airport, the whole point.

[Tim Pool]

Put him in leg shafts.

[Peter Navarro]

One of the key takeaways from I went to prison. So you want to have to. Is this. If we don't hold them accountable, they will do it again and again and again. And so what we've got to do. They've always been doing what we have to do.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'm all.

[Peter Navarro]

No, I am all with you, Tim. I don't know, but these people investigated, subpoenaed, and if they did what they did, and I know they did it, put them in jail.

[Tim Pool]

But let me just clarify. You say if we don't hold them accountable to do it again. I have to clarify if in any way Democrats are welcome back into power. Look, you're right. I don't.

[Peter Navarro]

We can't give them that power.

[Tim Pool]

They let in an estimated. I'm using the low estimate, 10 million illegal immigrants and granted them limbo status. This is massively destructive to any culture, any society and economy. They put you and Steve Bannon in prison. Merrick Garland got away with it. He pardoned his son, Hunter Biden. Joe Biden pardoned his son. We have seen them charge Donald Trump with false felonies and brag about it. They arrested Trump's lawyers. This is the most shocking and egregious thing people need to understand. The Democrats in, I think, what was it, Wisconsin and Georgia arrested Donald Trump's lawyers for daring to give him representation. You had, what was the, what was the name? Jenna.

[Peter Navarro]

Jenna Ellis.

[Tim Pool]

Jenna Ellis, was that right?

[Peter Navarro]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

She was charged with two counts of rico. Why? Trump had requested that she, as a lawyer, draft a letter. She did. They tried to lock her up. She cries, begging like a coward. I might. Yes, but still. But still they went after her. And then she dropped to her knees and please, please, she begged, don't hurt me anymore. The fact that Democrats charged Trump's lawyers should have told you exactly what time it is in this country.

[Peter Navarro]

Let me make this point, okay? Again, I went to prison so you won't have to. Every person that I serve with in the Trump White House, every single person, Tim, paid a price on One end, if they didn't go to jail or get indicted, it was hundreds of thousand dollars or millions of dollars of legal fees. Okay? It's the Dan Scavinos and the Mark Meadows. Mike Flynn cost him $7 million. Or they tried to take. And they're taking away the bar cards of John Clark, Jeff Clark and John Eastman. Or they bankrupted Rudy Giuliani, as you said. They put me and Steve Bannon in prison. People forget they wanted to put Donald Trump in prison for 700 years. And on the other end, of course, they tried to get. They shoot, kill the boss twice, and they got my dear brother Charlie Kirk. This is what they do, okay? This is what they do. We cannot give them back power because they will abuse it. And people have to understand that this system, this justice system is broken. If you have justices ascending into the hierarchy simply for. For their political affiliations, bad shit's going to happen, and it's happening. Shane, rewind to Arctic Frost.

[Tim Pool]

Who are they surveilling?

[Peter Navarro]

Tpusa. They were looking into tpusa and senators and Mike Pence and. And Donald Trump and everybody in between. And the justice system's totally destroyed. I mean, talking about your. Your fishing, how they stripped you of your defense. I mean, think about all the reporters who are at J6 who they didn't.

[Tim Pool]

Allow to even show press credentials.

[Peter Navarro]

Let me lay down.

[Tim Pool]

Let's talk about the media. Let's talk about the fake case against Tenet, me, Benny Johnson, and Dave Rubin. Yeah, and I'll stress this. You can say whatever you want about me, okay? Dave Rubin had a show where he reacted to comedy viral videos, was in no way political. He left after a year. And they falsely tried to claim they lie and manipulate, claiming that Dave was spreading Russian propaganda. The show we licensed, the culture war. We debate. Debate dating. We debate theology. We had a debate on geocentrism, and they lied. This. This. This case that was launched by Democrats was shut down about a month and a half, two months after they launched it without evidence. They fabricated evidence using false context, dropped it a couple months later, and then said nothing to the press. They are. They are. These people are willing to do lawyer fees.

[Peter Navarro]

That's what they get. Of course, they don't give a shit. If they put you behind bars, it's a bonus. If they got me behind bars, it was a bonus. But if they simply strip you money and your livelihood, that's. That. That's a victory for them, sir.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

So right now in Portland, judges are ruling, the local police are arresting conservatives they are. They are ruling on the side of Antifa. The media is running cover for them, claiming antifa doesn't even exist. And we're seeing this wave of propaganda. Let me. Let me show you this. Let's jump to the story. We've got this from the New York Times. Among Portland protests, it's frogs and sharks and bears. Oh, my. Images of anarchists clad in black gave the city a bad name in 2020. Now demonstrators in Portland are poking fun at Trump. Trump's apocalyptic talk with colorful animal suits. Now, the sad thing is the left is a faction begging for your ignorance. They see images of unicorns and frogs and they go, what is this? It's a silly little protest. They don't realize that these people are actually violent extremists who have put these costumes on to make it harder for regular people who are just browsing the news to understand what is happening. Here's a video for you to help you understand what's happening. This is out of, I believe, Chicago, where far leftists attacked Nick Shirley and what appears to be a DHS officer. This is them running full speed. We'll skip over the loud noise. I believe that's a. Is that. Is that a DHS guy? Police vehicle pulls up.

[Peter Navarro]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Federal agent gets inside. Nick Shirley jumps in as well, smacks the vehicle.

[Phil Labonte]

Mexican flag.

[Peter Navarro]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Let me. Let me tell you guys, I'm gonna bring the point up again. We talked about a little bit earlier in the show when I said I don't care about the worst of the worst criminals. There's a story right now that Democrats are sharing about some Indian guy who went to jail wrongly for 44 years, was just exonerated. And upon being exonerated, he was then quickly arrested and sent to be deported back to, I think, India, where he hadn't lived since he was like nine or nine months. I don't know. The point they're making is because this person was wrongly imprisoned and in prison, he is now no longer subject to the law. What we are seeing is I describe this as the I am legend phenomenon, which I've used as an example a million times, probably somewhat incorrectly, but the analogy I use still stands. Simple version is a guy is a vampire hunter. He goes during the day, finds the vampires in their coffins, stakes him, and kills him. Over a long enough period of time, the vampires keep spreading. He's losing his battle. Eventually, one day, every single person in society in America are vampires. He is now the strange creature. They tell stories of the evil boogeyman who lurks during sunlight, when no one's awake, and kills you in your sleep. He has become the monster, despite at one point being the hero of a society. What we're looking at with this video of them with Mexican flags smacking a police vehicle, or in the video described earlier, where the alleged illegal immigrants, we don't know the resolution of this case was, is screaming ayudime. And they actually intervene and help the man escape. Police. He just gives up and walks away.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You are seeing people who are outright saying your police have no jurisdiction here. We don't respect their authority. We don't even view them as meaningful law enforcement. When, if you bring in, let's just put it. Let's put it simply. It's the analogy I use for roommates all the time. Okay. You get. You and your roommate order or every. Every Friday, you say, what should we order for dinner? And then you discuss it. You decide to order pizza, bring in five people from Chinatown, and they say, we want orange chicken. And then you're like, well, we devote. It doesn't matter. You're not getting pizza ever again. Your. Your will is no longer relevant because the majority has told you what they will take from you. With Chicago, with what Biden did, and not just Biden, but to, to an extent, Obama, but with what Biden did over the past four years, bringing in 10, and the high estimate is 20 million people. You now have so many. You think it's 20, 20, so many illegal immigrants in Chicago, for instance, that when ICE shows up with five guys to be like, we're going to arrest this illegal immigrant. To 300 illegal immigrants go, no, you're not. He's our neighbor. You don't operate here anymore. Zoran Mamdani, a great example in his campaign, said, we will protect our community from them outright. Saying to the national American voter who voted for Trump to enforce the law, we are not a part of your country. We are not one with your people. The illegal immigrants are us. And we are taking power in your cities and we will stop your president from enforcing the law.

[Peter Navarro]

The most frightening thing I saw when Biden was in office, from a macro economist point of view, was official government statistics coming out, basically saying there'd be a certain amount of jobs created. But the net was this. You had half a million American citizens losing their jobs and over a million, close to 2 million illegal aliens taking those jobs. How does that happen in this country? And it's not just the jobs they take, it's the wages that they depress. I mean, from my point of view, what I do in the White House, like manufacturing and job creation, it's like it's the worst nightmare when you're trying to create prosperity in a country and you're bringing in an unlimited source of labor supply to bid down and push people out. I mean, come on.

[Tim Pool]

It's just, you know, I completely agree and I think functionally that debate we are having a couple years ago was extremely important, but I'm actually worried about something else at this point.

[Peter Navarro]

I see that and I'm with you on that. We talked about that a little earlier.

[Tim Pool]

That's people marching down the street with Mexican flags saying that this country is theirs now.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So many people were let in illegally who do not share our values. They're basically telling us they have colonized us. And I agree with the left. No more colonization. How about that? We all agree colonization is bad. Let's keep America, America, enforce our laws. All of these immigrants are welcome to apply legally and enter our country in a nice single file line.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, no, Tim, because here's the thing. Even if your ancestors have been here 100 years, 200 years, three, even 400 years, longer than that, you're living on stolen land. But someone who crossed the border yesterday is an American and they belong here.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. And that's where we currently are with the shutdown. For instance, Democrats are actually arguing that if you enter this country illegally and as soon as a CBP agent tries to arrest you to deport you, you cry out asylum.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Now illegal lawful entry.

[Peter Navarro]

Even though that all started, by the way, with Democrat judges. Okay. The whole problem we had in the Trump administration was one particular judge who basically legalized using children as get out of jail free cards to come in, all you need. And that created a whole human trafficking source where kids would be rented and they'd bring adults over and they'd claim. Okay. So as soon as they got there, well, you got a kid, then you're able to stay. But it's just, again, it gets back to this justice system. It always boils down to that third branch of government. And I don't know how we're gonna square that circle. Cuz these people get in there and they're in there for life. Yeah, in there for frigging life.

[Tim Pool]

What happens when Trump invokes the Insurrection act to send in the troops to enforce the law in Oregon, California and Illinois?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Some magistrate judge in Kenosha will strike it down, say you.

[Tim Pool]

But that I'm sure. And then the question will be, even right now, with this judge in Illinois. I think the judge is in Illinois saying Trump can federalize the troops because of course he can, but he can't deploy them. Well, how does that make sense? Trump takes command of the troops, but he can't actually use them in any meaningful way. Makes no sense. If Trump does invoke the Insurrection act, citing failure to enforce the law, like with allowing rioters to do whatever they want want, are we going to come to the point where a judge says Trump's use of the Insurrection act is void and then Trump, he's already publicly stated he has the right to do it. So what if Trump says that law is unconstitutional or that that ruling from the judge has no merit whatsoever? The executive over the executive branch and then just says, troops, you are given orders, do them and then the judge says you are barred from following those orders. Then what? When will someone break? I gotta be honest. Yeah, I think Trump will because with Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Well, maybe not with Abrego Garcia. The judge ordered Trump to return him and at first he didn't, but eventually he did. So I would not be surprised if some low level federal judge just says Trump can't use the Insurrection Act. I wouldn't be surprised to find Trump saying, okay, I guess I can't. I'll appeal it.

[Peter Navarro]

I suppose I would like to see some of these judges investigated to see who's pulling their strings. I think that's important. When I was in prison, I'll give you a little story. When I was in prison, there's a couple of guys in there who were in for the same kind of bank fraud, loan fraud that this Federal Reserve member, Lisa Cook has been accused of. And that frankly, seems like a open and shut prima facie case that she did it. Now, those guys were in there and they were serving close to 10 years. They had their houses seized and they faced massive restitution when they get out. Yet Lisa Cook is being shielded by the court system. And the other component of this is the media. The media is protecting Pritzker in Illinois, protecting Newsom in California. And it's always these sob stories and things like that that we get when the reality is far graver. Pritzker is an interesting guy. I'm burdened by the fact that I actually know these guys and have had to work with them. Like when I was. When the pandemic hit in 2020, I drew the short straw and was the Defense Production act policies are. So I was the guy in charge of making sure that we got all of the personal protective equipment we needed on time. I could work with order the supply chains around to get that. And Pritzker, they'd be calling me. Him and Cuomo would be calling me every frigging day, begging for their allotment of whatever we had in our warehouses.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And Pritzker asking for seconds. You know, he seems like the kind of guy who would really just suck.

[Peter Navarro]

The food out of the nicely, nicely done. And the problem I had with both Cuomo at the time and Pritzker is we were very good about getting stuff efficiently there. I could get stuff faster. I'd, like, get a mill airplane and get that shit there and whatever would need it. And then every time he'd thanked me in private, he'd go on the frigging TV and shit all over Donald Trump. It's just Cuomo. I mean, this guy. This guy, he's a trust fund baby who really has. He doesn't know what misery's like. And he will do anything. Him and Newsom will say or do anything. They're all cut from the same cloth. And the problem is they're just leveraging this situation so that they can move up the ladder. It's going to be Pritzker.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He's not getting up a ladder, dude. Pritzker's not getting up any ladder.

[Peter Navarro]

Oh, that's the problem. Sorry. These people have. These people have illusions of granted.

[Tim Pool]

I can.

[Peter Navarro]

I can tell you when he goes to bed at night, he doesn't count sheep. He doesn't even count Big Macs. He counts, like, how many times he can get in the White House.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So, you know, can he get to the door?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know, but I'm not. I'm. Again, I feel like that kind of politics is meaningless to me. I agree. I think you're correct. These.

[Peter Navarro]

But that's what's driving the dilemma you're talking about with the. With the courts, at least, I don't think so. You don't think the politics of that are driving us towards a constitutional crisis?

[Tim Pool]

I think the crisis we have in this country is the bifurcation of the younger generations morally. And you have a multicultural democracy on the left and a constitutional republic on the right. There was literally nothing you can say to a slob like Pritzker that is going to get him to actually do his job the way this country requires him to do it. You argue that correctly. I say that he's trying to move up the ladder and do all these things, but the problem is he's looking down The Ladder. And he's seeing AOC and far left communists who don't care about how the country functions. And he's thinking, I will do whatever they want to gain power. That level of politics from Pritzker and to a certain degree, Brandon Johnson. But he's more like in the Mamdani AOC camp from the older guys. This is a problem that goes out the window in 10 years.

[Peter Navarro]

I get that. Yeah. You have a whole new generation of mandamis rather than Pritzkers.

[Tim Pool]

And it's not. Not Pritzker being like, I'm gonna get the Ladder that I'm worried about. It's mom, Donnie saying, we need to kill these people.

[Peter Navarro]

Yeah. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. We've got Jay Jones. You wanna know how terrifying the situation is right now? That people. Look, I just got back from Phoenix and Austin. It was very, very fun. When I was in Austin playing poker on the Lodge Stream with regular people, Hannah was pretty political, but we got along swimmingly. In fact, she actually, you know, turns out we agree on a lot of things. And she was like, I thought you're gonna be really mean. It was great. And you know, when you separate yourself from politics, you sit there and you look around at this beautiful world of fun of. I had two ice cream sundaes on Thursday. Two of them. Because I was like, I am gonna car blood. Because I was just so exhausted. But what's really happening is you're just hiding. You are ignorant of what is really going on in this country. And getting back, seeing how people react outside, I understand why they think nothing is happening in this country and nothing will change. But the example that I've. I've given. I posted these photos from Egypt during the revolution. During the revolution in Egypt, the military coup, they called it. Everything's normal. I posted a video of it. Just cars driving down the road. You hear honking. I'm in a hotel room. Nothing changes for the overwhelming majority of this country. What I'm deeply concerned about is that you've got people like Zoran Mamdani who literally say them will protect our community. Multicultural democracy. You've got young people being raised in a society where their moral worldview is a mirror image of yours. So on this trip, I discussion with Roseanne about it. And she says she supports free speech, second Amendment, constitution. And it's funny because liberals say the exact same thing.

[Peter Navarro]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Well, here's. Here's the interesting thing. The constitution has never meant one thing. When it was when the Bill of Rights was ratified, free speech did not mean Blasphemy. You went outside and blasphemed. You got arrested, whereas my free speech right didn't exist. Now we have some version of it that the right agrees upon, even Christians, allowing people to blaspheme and curse and be obscene in their language. The left says, I believe in free speech. What does that mean? It means no hate speech, of course. Don't be offensive to marginalized groups. That's the First Amendment. I believe in the Second Amendment. They say, what does that mean? It means that a government regulated militia can have guns. We understand they think those things, they make those arguments. But what happens when that group is, is, is totally bifurcated from the right and thinks that Trump is in violation of the Constitution? He's not. Trump is upholding the Constitution as we know it. When they get in power, they violate the Constitution as we know it. So I was talking again with my conversation with Arne McIntyre earlier. I came to the realization that there's an inevitability essentially so long as these two worldviews persist. And I don't see how you're going to eliminate the leftist worldview or the right wing worldview. They exist. And that is, would any of us tolerate another four years of 20 million non citizens being welcomed into this country? An action like what we saw under Biden was only tolerated because the people of this country believed that we could change this, that the problem could be solved. And so Trump ended up winning the popular vote. Republicans won in Congress by a slim, slim majority. They won the Senate. Senate. They've already got the Supreme Court. If the Democrats were to get in power again and reignite those policies, I fear the worst. Now let's think about the inverse. Are Democrats going to sit by with 20 million illegal immigrants and allow the military to enter their states or be commandeered from their states by, by Donald Trump to start arresting and deporting these people? Even Joe Rogan has come out and said, let them stay.

[Peter Navarro]

Rogan has said, Yep, Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

He said, have a heart. Which is the idea.

[Peter Navarro]

Spotify contract must be up for renewal or something.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think I, that's insane.

[Peter Navarro]

I'm sorry.

[Tim Pool]

I think, with all due respect, I think Joe understands what time it is. And I don't want to, you know, I try to be diplomatic and so I always try to give grace to, to Rogan for what I feel indebted to him for. Not just in helping me with my show, my career and give me a platform, but also he covered our medical expenses during COVID He's a really good dude. All that being said, because he is a prominent personality in this space, I do think it's important that I provide critique where I think some is due. And I mean this with the utmost respect to a very good man. I think he's saying these things because he's terrified that they're trying to kill us. And they literally killed Charlie Kirk and Benny Johnson. Let's jump to the story from NBC News. DOJ charges a man with sending threatening letter to pro Trump influencer Benny Johnson. Pambani announced the charges at a news conference in which Johnson argued that violence had been mainstreamed by the Democrat Party. I have received a plethora of death threats myself and I've been in contact directly with the FBI over them answering questions about what is currently going on because we are getting a large amount. One was very particular, credible. And there's a little bit. It's basically, I don't want to read through it because I don't want to compromise any of their investigation. But they said that they were going to come here and they were going to to turn me into what Charlie Kirk is. My point in the previous segment, for those that are just tuning in now, Joe Rogan recently made a comment saying, have a heart. These ICE policies don't work if someone's been here for 20 years. Just let them stay. My personal opinion, with all due respect to Joe, is that and this guy backed Trump. Trump is using military now. He used the Marines and the National Guard in California to shut down child slavery on a marijuana farm farm and to defend federal buildings. Now, I think it is morally clear California had child slave labor on pot farms. If Trump wants to send in the Marines to go do that, I stand and applaud shutting down child slavery. That has been allowed to run rampant. But Democrats are claiming it's Nazism. It is the ss, it is the Gestapo coming in, hunting people down in their homes, kidnapping their neighbors and black bagging them. And I think Joe, a very smart man, recognizes more than most what is currently happening in this country. So when he says have a heart and let him stay, he's engaging in what I have referred to as to play on Pascal's Wager. We can call it Trump's Wager, or maybe Seamus, come up with a better name for it. Seamus, do you want to explain Pascal's Wager real quick for everybody?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. So there's some nuance to it because it existed in like a very specific cultural and historic context. But the general idea, the way it's Usually expressed now is if you have to bet, you're forced to choose one position or the other. And you can choose to believe God exists, or you can choose to believe that he doesn't exist. If you believe that he exists, you will benefit because you'll go to heaven. You'll also have lived a good life if you truly live like you actually exist.

[Tim Pool]

And you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

If you don't believe in him, you'll go to hell if he's not real, or if he is real, sorry, but if he's not real, there's no benefit to you. That's basically so again, when it's used, that was a specific time when it was like literally a country where it was like Catholicism versus Atheism. Because atheists will go like, well, why. Why are there only two choices? But sorry, the argument, we won't get into all of it.

[Tim Pool]

If. If God exists and I believe in Him, I go to heaven. If God exists and I don't, I go to hell. Well, if God doesn't exist, it doesn't matter either way. So you might as well just believe he exists because the only real threat you face. Yeah, hell or nothing. So in politics, we can come with a term for it. I forgot what I called it. But it's. It's this wager. If you are on the left and the right wins, you are totally fine. Because the right is not going to go and gulag their political opponents.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

If you are on the right and the. And the right wins, congratulations, you've won. If you're on the left and the left wins, congratulations, you've won. If you are on the right and the left wins, you will be put in a gulag. So if you are trying to avoid politics, the best thing you can do is just be on the left, because when the right wins, if they do, you're fine. And so I see Joe's commentary over the past couple of weeks, and it seems very much, hey, whoa. I'm actually on the left, guys, I'm backing away from this. This is getting crazy. This is getting scary. I think Joe recognized what time it is. He's having a lot of comedians on his podcast. And I will say this too, not that it means anything, but when we reached out to him to let him know a month in advance that I was going to be in Austin, he passed. So there have been a lot of critiques over him having on a lot of personalities that are either pro left leaning left or not commenting in the space and not having anyone on to Counter that narrative.

[Peter Navarro]

This is a world without morality or principles though, that you're describing. I mean, if we're going to live in that world and nothing has meaning and nothing matters. Tim, I am absolutely certain if the Democrats get power, they'll try to put me back in prison. They'll try to put you in prison.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed.

[Peter Navarro]

They'll try to put.

[Tim Pool]

Morning, Zoe.

[Peter Navarro]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Peter Navarro]

Well, I dig the mattress and I.

[Tim Pool]

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[Peter Navarro]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Peter Navarro]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Peter Navarro]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Peter Navarro]

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[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there's no question. Well, I.

[Peter Navarro]

Actually that's what the stakes is. And you know, Pascal's wager notwithstanding, I'm siding with what, what is right with a small R. And what, what is what is best for this country and what this country stands for. And if, if we're going to be. I mean, I went to prison. Okay. It's like people here, people in this country, they gotta stand up for what they believe in or we lose this country. Tim, that's. I think it's all about.

[Tim Pool]

I. I don't know if I have the post on X, but I never posted this video from Egypt before until this past week, I think. I was in Phoenix when I posted it, so let me see if I can pull it up, but I think I just posted a photo of it. People genuinely don't understand that what we are witnessing right now, I mean, you go outside and everything seems fine and you're like, oh, what's the big deal right? Actually, I want to show you this too, so I can tell you what time it is. So let's start here. Someone threatened to kill Benny Johnson. The DOJ went after him. This is good news. But take a look at this. Benny posted this. Democrat, Virginia AG candidate Jay Jones, who openly called for the murder of Republicans and their children, has taken a major hit in the polls. Miarez is up six. They were just about tied before, and so Jones has dropped about 3 points. If you're a Democrat and it is exposed that you said the children of Republicans should be murdered and that if you had the option you would kill the Republican speaker over Hitler, you lose only three points.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It gets even worse than that. If you say people shouldn't kill children before they're born, you will lose every single vote in the Democratic Party.

[Peter Navarro]

But is this a function of the illiteracy of too many folks not paying attention or being fed that story in a way which made it seem like it wasn't as big a deal? I mean, that's the problem with the media.

[Tim Pool]

Or they agree with him. Let's take a look at this one.

[Peter Navarro]

Or they agree with him. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Andrew Colvitt tweeted this. Less than a month removed from Charlie's assassination in Utah, the Salt Lake Tribune published this cartoon entitled the Hole in the Head Gang, depicting a wanted poster with elected officials from the state with a. With a red scarf around their necks and some numbers, I guess. Rep. Mike Kennedy, Celeste, Moy, Burgess Owens, for failure to honor their O's and protect and defend the Constitution from dictatorial whims of malignant clown. Your Utah reps. This is him calling for them to be murdered. That's what time it is in this country. And I'm scrolling down to try and find this because I posted this photo a couple weeks ago and I'll grab it. I'll grab it. I have to go back in time pretty far to find it. Seamus, say something funny.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I mean, this is not gonna be funny.

[Phil Labonte]

Come on, comedy man. Make us laugh.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This just kind of goes back to the thing that I was saying earlier, which is the left has essentially always existed to justify, like the slaughter of innocent people and children and Christian children.

[Phil Labonte]

But the left in the US hasn't. Is this.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It hasn't been.

[Phil Labonte]

It hasn't been like this since possibly since the 60s and like late 60s, early 70s.

[Tim Pool]

It really did.

[Phil Labonte]

It really kind of went to sleep and you had a sense, at least. And when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, you had a sense that everybody Kind of agreed about basic Americanism. Right. You didn't have people that came out and openly hated the United States, or at least they weren't really well known. They weren't get given.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, yes, but this is a human you knew about well, and this is my point. They've only not done this when they've been marginalized. So at that time, the culture was on the side of shunning people who said that they hated America, shunning people who called.

[Peter Navarro]

To be clear that this is a numbers game. Shane mentioned the Weather Underground.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Peter Navarro]

I was like. I was like 19, 20 in college when. When that was going on, it like hits pretty close to home. And the people I knew who were on the left, they didn't side with that stuff. That was like, what the hell's going on? The problem now is if you look at the Manami numbers in New York, the guy's polling close to 50%. The things he stands for are that crazy?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, antithetical crazy.

[Tim Pool]

I just pulled the video up. I'm gonna. Let's. Let's play this video. Here you go. Everybody. Here's Egypt.

[Phil Labonte]

And this is during.

[Tim Pool]

This is the day of the second revolution. So let's, let's. Let's pull it up again. So this is the day of the second rev. Actually, I think this is a couple days before the second revolution. No, this might be the day of. This might be the day of. You can see there's a large crowd in Tahrir. Other than that, everything else was operating as normal cars. We're driving around. You can see that. Here's the beautiful Nile river with boats. Look at that. People are on this boat. How beautiful is that crossing over the bridge. What do people expect to see? Buildings exploding and fire everywhere.

[Phil Labonte]

Look like Gaza right now. That's what they expect.

[Tim Pool]

They don't understand that we. What you're concerned about is limited. Actually, I'll put it this way. You ever see that thing? Like, those science videos were like, did you know if you took every human on Earth and clumped them into a ball, it would barely fill Chicago? Or something like that. They seem to think that humans are in literally every square inch of the planet. And when fighting happens, it's like that scene from Kingsman where everyone in the church is fighting each other instead of most people just living their lives like normal. And then you, you know, you know what it'll be like if a civil war were to happen in this country. We'd be sitting here being like, so the, the fences got torn down at the ICE facility and rioters attacked federal law enforcement. When reporters went, they got arrested by the. Oh, wait, the stories are going to be like that. Now. Granted, to be fair, we're more likely in a bleeding Kansas type scenario, which is the, which was the precursor. We saw this with the Andrew Yang saying he was going to move to Georgia to affect their political, you know, structures or whatever back in, what was that, 2020. So that was very much bleeding Kansas. We see the riots, but now we are very much dangerously close to a more of a Fort Sumter scenario where Trump is trying to take command of states National Guards to enforce federal law and they are resisting. It's not just one state anymore. It's not just some, some states in the south facing the civil rights era. This is 50 50, as you were mentioning, Peter. And we are now looking at the entirety of the left youth not caring about what we want because our Constitution is garbage to them. This is a white supremacist country that needs to be destroyed. And the right saying, we won. We're going to enforce the law. So what happens in the next several years? It's going to get absolutely crazy. Not to mention we can also talk about the AI stuff, which I think is going to lead us. Let's actually do that. Yeah, we've got this from deadline. Sora 2 is here. What that means for comedian discovery and ticketing. I don't really care that much about comedian discovery and ticketing, but I just wanted a source talking about the arrival of Sora too, which is the craziest, absolutely craziest. AI video editor there is right now, now a series of Jake Paul videos have gone massively viral. I can't show some of them because they're Basically, I think 80 are him just screaming the N word non stop. But I'll play this one for you. Let's play this video babe's first piece. Look at this little cardigan. She's pastel pink, ribbed and so soft. Yo, this AI is getting out of hand.

[Peter Navarro]

It's honestly not even to Celsius.

[Tim Pool]

Celsius. Yes. I'll peach. I think that's actually Jake Paul. So he's been making fun of a lot of these videos. I don't, I don't know which of these I can play. Yeah, like clearly Jake Paul in a plane with a Burger King crown on is him screaming the nw. So here you have fat Jake Paul. These videos are. Are, are they look real?

[Phil Labonte]

They do.

[Tim Pool]

They're much. They're indistinguishable. By this time next year here, they will all be indistinguishable and easily made.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, we are.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to get a video of. It's going to be Zoran Mamdani. Do it. What I'm concerned about is not a video of Trump coming out and saying a racist thing that might trick some boomers. I'm concerned about, as I've long mentioned, a video of a politician doing something very believable. So let's say there's a. The example I often get. Give Donald Trump Very Fine people hoax. He said, there are very fine people on both sides, and I'm not talking about the neo Nazis or the white national, white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. And even now, we had on. Who was that? Was it Tara Palmieri, I think her name was? She did not know Trump condemned the neo Nazis and white supremacists after a decade, nearly a decade. Now, what happens if someone takes a video like that and changes it? So Trump says they were very fine people on both sides. And I am not talking about the neo Nazis and white nationalists because some should be condemned totally. They change. But a simple word from they to some. Then when you try convincing a liberal Trump condemned them. They pulled the video of Trump saying some should be condemned. And they were like, he only said some of them should be condemned. And if you go, that video's not real. He said, they. Then a journalist comes out and goes, I was there. I'm pretty sure he said some. I can't really remember for sure. That's what's going to happen. And we're there now.

[Peter Navarro]

You don't need AI to do that. I did an interview for the book. I went to prison so you won't have to with pbs. Okay. And I went in there under the promise that they shoot the whole thing. They'd release the whole thing the next day. What they did was they took a portion of it and edited in a way which did not reflect the reality of it. And then half of it was the host basically pontificating to rebut whatever it was I was saying. And we saw that during the campaign for president. And I love the fact that Trump sued a number of networks for doing that kind of crap. But see, that's the essence of the fake news. That's the essence of the fact that AI is gonna make it a million times.

[Tim Pool]

It's gonna destroy reality. My point is, a great example is Daniel Negreano. I'm a big fan. He's a great poker player. Told US the story about how he got red pilled. And it was literally, he had genuinely believed Trump defended neo Nazis. He had seen the video of Trump saying very fine people over and over again. And he never actually, he didn't know there was a fuller video until one day, another one of his buddies he'd known for a long time finally said, daniel, watch the video, slammed the phone on the table, slid it over and pressed play. And he went, fine, I'll watch. And then he was shocked to see the video of Trump saying and not the neo Nazis and white supremacists with AI. That won't happen. He'll go, no, this is fake. Watch. He'll take the phone, change it, slide it back over and press play on the fake video.

[Peter Navarro]

Right, because you're talking about deceptive editing. You know, Jon Stewart was doing that all the time with politicians, but now they're adding to reality. So it'll make reality irrelevant. Right. My only point was this shit's been going on. AIs just make it here's a million times worse. But there was a video in the left wing media. It's just, I mean if you just look at the studies that have been done, because I was there from the inception, 2016, my role was to go out and talk the economy and economic policy. And it was like, it was an eye opener for me. I'm a professor, I live in a world of facts and truth in reality. And I'm seeing all this stuff. What, what, what are you doing? And then it's like, what do they find? Something like 92% of the media coverage of Trump in the first term was negative. And meanwhile the economy's going up, wages are going up, we got peace all around the world and life's good and the border sealed and 92. And then you go to Biden and it's just the opposite. You know, it's like he got 8% criticism.

[Tim Pool]

There's a really good example of this right now that I don't know if you guys have seen this video. There's a video of people are claiming that it's ICE arresting a 15 year old. Did you see this one?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's not.

[Tim Pool]

And the DHS came out and said this is a video from a year ago of a Chicago resident arrested by local police who was robbing, committing felony robberies. But the left has taken the video and just lied and claimed it's an illegal immigrant child being attacked by, by ice.

[Phil Labonte]

And people that want to believe that you will able to talk them out of It.

[Peter Navarro]

That's it, right?

[Phil Labonte]

You can. You as much as, like, AI is a problem, like you said, like, people are already believing these. If these videos didn't have the Sorrow watermark and there was a video that confirmed someone's prior opinion, some. Something that made Trump look bad, something that made, you know, Biden or Newsom look bad, the people that view them, they're not going to.

[Tim Pool]

You're not going to.

[Phil Labonte]

They're not going to believe that it's anything other than the truth. You're like, no, look, it's AI.

[Tim Pool]

They won't believe it.

[Phil Labonte]

And to be honest with you, I imagine there are people that even if it had the SORA watermark on it, they would still say, well, that's probably true. I think, I think that probably, like, maybe they, maybe they made. Maybe they put them watermark on it. Maybe it's actually real.

[Peter Navarro]

Look what Jussie Smollett got away with.

[Tim Pool]

100%.

[Phil Labonte]

Look at people believe.

[Peter Navarro]

People believed in the ghosts of Kiev. You know, a little dirty, dirty little secret about the media. It's like you look at the people who you actually see on tv. I mean, there's certainly part of the problem, but an even bigger part of the problem is the producers and editors. Oh, yeah, that run all that stuff. They gatekeep reality. They just, they drive all the stories. They, the anchors are too lazy or too busy to actually do their homework. I was in New York for the September 11 thing. My fiance Bonnie on the COVID here, she was at World Trade center area the day of 9, 11. So we went to the ceremony, saw Rudy and all of that. But I met with the New York Times editorial board. They had asked to hear about trade policy. And so I met with the publisher, Sulzberger, 20 others there. And the last thing I said to him was, I left. I said, you know, I got this book coming out. I went to prison, so you won't have to. Would you do me a favor this time? Would you treat it fairly? Because the first two books I wrote on Trump should have been on the bestseller list. All political should have been on the bestseller list. And sure enough, this time around, we did the numbers on it. This thing should have been on the top 15, and it wasn't. And again, why am I telling this story? Because this is what the fake news does. They suppress us. Well, so right.

[Tim Pool]

Right now, Congressman Raja in the area says, in fact, the video is of ice. And when you actually Google search it, you can't figure it out. Out. And so we're already at this point where the best understanding that I have is that the left is just lying about it because no one is explicitly stating this is ice. They're saying weaselly things like police were in Hoffman Estates. ICE was seen near Hoffman Estates in this area. So while others are saying this is a video of local police because the people, the law enforcement in the video aren't wearing dhs, they're wearing black blue.

[Peter Navarro]

Now let's remember who you don't know. It's Google, right? It's all left wing. The same problem. You get on chat GPT and you try to get a proper read of an issue and it's like it's, it's the list. It hallucinates point of view. It doesn't, doesn't tell you proper history. And they, they put in that that isn't necessarily fact. That's what we're up against. That's what we're up against. And it's weird because we are a 5050 country, but at the end of the day I think we're way over 50 in terms of what we believe in. Consistently resonating with public opinion. Yet it's not reflected by the mainstream media. Yeah, it's nothing mainstream about the media. Let's call it the legacy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Legacy is what we call it.

[Peter Navarro]

Corporate press legacy media.

[Tim Pool]

Last time I was on Rogan actually he asked me about AI Video and I said I didn't think it was that big of a deal because I think of all the things to get wrong, I got this one dead wrong. I was like, no, I don't think so. I think we see fake videos and out of context stuff all the time. People are going to fact check it. But the new Sora 2 stuff is so absolutely realistic. I was hanging out with Michael Mouse in Austin and we were going through videos and some of them are really obvious. When Hitler and Jesus are having a lightsaber duel, I think it's pretty obvious that's not real. There was, there are some videos where, I mean it is absolutely insane where Goku is fighting anime Hitler and it looks real. Apparently people have been using Sora too to make full episodes of south park. And it is crazy. They animate second by second, scene by scene and it makes it, it gets the voices perfect. That's how crazy this stuff is getting. I didn't know the extent that we were going to see this stuff and I mean it is going to get absolutely bonkers next year when the videos are better than they are now. So anyway, I digress. When we're Hanging out with males. Some of them are obviously fake. And then there was one where like a guy in a fast food restaurant. It's like a guy in a fast food restaurant talking about how he's ordering a new. A new meal they had and it just autoplayed. And then Michael was like, wait, that, that, that one was AI And I was like, yeah, bro, they're all AI. The one that was. So the point is, if you go on Sora and you say Jake Paul, you know, riding a unicycle across a tightrope, people are gonna know it's fake. But if you made a video where it's Jake Paul buying a sports drink and then saying what up to a fan, people won't know if it's real or not because it's extremely, incredibly plausible. That's where we're at now.

[Peter Navarro]

They've been injecting those types of videos.

[Tim Pool]

Not even the AI ones.

[Peter Navarro]

Like every viral video, in my opinion, that you see on Twitter, that happens on an airplane. Fake.

[Tim Pool]

They're all stage. It's like some CIA laboratory where they're.

[Peter Navarro]

Like just do something crazy with right left politics. And it's almost always fake.

[Tim Pool]

The fake one that goes viral every day of the guy who gets threatened to get kicked off a plane cuz he won't give his name but he's got a badge.

[Peter Navarro]

Right, Right.

[Tim Pool]

And it's just all fake. They started with these fake high school videos where the teacher does something and then the student gives lip and it's clearly a rented boardroom where they're just actors faking it for viral videos.

[Peter Navarro]

Tiffany Gomez started all this.

[Tim Pool]

I think.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that the guy I think.

[Tim Pool]

She faked ain't real.

[Peter Navarro]

Problems. Nobody, nobody really reads anything in depth anymore. They more and more rely on that kind of consumption of product and there's nothing to ground them in reality. Where's the real near source?

[Tim Pool]

We do have to jump to this one story which is less newsy but still important. This is from the Express Tribune. Pokimane and Lily Pichu cancel podcast episode with Hasan Hassan amid animal abuse scandal. So for those that didn't know, over the past several days a video has gone viral that many claim shows Hassan Piker shocking his dog with a shock collar for getting up and moving off of her bed during the stream. Hasan denied this by showing off what he said was a vibration collar that clearly has a charging point and electrical tape over what appears to be prong ports for the electroshock collar. Well, the story is going massively viral because he Denied it. Here's a video saying, here's a four hour time lapse of the dog getting shocked every time she tries to leave outside of the view of camera. I'll play this video. I think this video actually has the point in question where he electrocutes the dog. Or is it allegedly all of America's.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Much more consequential violence? Ok? It's the same reason as to why America.

[Tim Pool]

Kaya, please just fucking go stop. So you can see that now why.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Did that dog suddenly experience pain, I wonder?

[Tim Pool]

He reaches over and if you, if you, hey Peter, if you're gonna, if you're gonna eat that, we're gonna hear it in the microphone. Very much you chewing and eating. He reaches his left hand over and then you hear the dog yelp and go back and sit down. And now we have an update from live stream fail. It says Hassan notices shock collar remote on his stream. And oh boy. Oh yeah, here's the stream. Apparently right here in the bottom corner is the shock collar remote. He then slides it out of frame. Does that, does anybody know if that's actually the shot collar remote? It is that right there, Is that what it looks like? Yeah, well, apparently that's it. So if, I mean, look at this point, come on, the dude's electrocuting his dog.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So we, we did a cartoon about this that we released this past Friday over on Freedom Tunes and it, it did pretty well. And on Twitter it actually went pretty viral. It has like over a million views on Twitter. And so his, some of his fans found it and we're not happy, but it is genuinely some of the most, most hilarious criticism I've ever gotten in the video. I said in the video, I think we call the dog a boy or something. He says he and the dog's a she. And one of the people who were angry said pretending to care about a dog when you don't even know their gender is insane. So that might be the best criticism I've ever got in my entire.

[Tim Pool]

If you want to pull this image up, you can see the dog is wearing what appears to be a collar. And then we have this image where Hasan came out the next day and said it's a vibration collar. The only problem is there many people have pointed out that the vibration model doesn't have this little clip right here. He's got electrical tape over the bottom of it where you can see two holes which coincide with the shock collar's prong ports as well as a charging port near his finger. The vibration model doesn't have any of those things because it doesn't, it doesn't electrocute animals. So. Yeah, and they're claiming to have found it. So this would mean that Hassan has trained his dog via shot collar to sit in the same place for the four plus hours or however long he's live streaming and not move at all lest he zap it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's an insane thing to do to an animal.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely insane thing to do. Guys, I. There's a video he's got where he's.

[Phil Labonte]

Tied the dog down for, like, tied the dog there to get the dog to learn to stay there.

[Tim Pool]

There. Really?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, with. Yeah, like I have. It's only.

[Tim Pool]

We can have it on camera. So let me, let me, let me show you guys something. This is a tweet I put, I said, hey, Ed Krasn and Krasnstein, you guys want to take a walk? You want to pull this up? Take a walk through K town in Chicago to prove Trump wrong. For those that don't know, K town is A, it's the west side and all of the blocks start with the letter K. So I don't know Kolvar, Kirk, Kilpatrick, Costner. So the, the streets in Chicago run north to south. So where, where I lived, we have all these same street names, but we're near like, you know, 55th and 63rd. This is up in the west side, closer to like, I think, you know, the 2600 block. K town is historically one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago. And Pritzker and a lot of these liberals like to go to the nice areas of like, downtown and then act like it's the, it's, oh, look how safe it is. So I tweeted this, Adam, and the reason I bring up in this context of Hasan is first, Brian responded with, I'll do it right after you spend a night fact checking Trump's speeches in front of his rally crowd. We've literally watched tons of Trump speeches and debates on this show in real time. But by all means, whatever.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So what like, is he saying you should be on stage fact checking him?

[Tim Pool]

Because he says in front of his rally crime. Anyway, he said, all kidding aside, if you want to pay for our flight, two night stay, all meals, and $1,000 a day in lost income, I'd happily do it. To which I said, let's get Nick Sherling you guys to a mini doc on Chicago crime to get together. But many other people pointed out immediately, it's pay me. Yeah. So here's my point with Hassan. Hassan is willing, according to these stories, to electrocute a dog, to look good on camera, to have a prop on camera. He will electrocute a dog. We, we are, are having. So we're, we're, we're postponing our culture war event for this Saturday because of the no Kings protest, principally. But another big issue we faced in terms of logistics was that Naima Trout, a leftist, canceled on us because the initial 500 she requested eventually decided wasn't enough and they wanted 5,000 from us. And I said, nah. We then immediately offered some other leftist 5000 because that'd be funny if they took it, which they, they didn't respond to, apparently.

[Peter Navarro]

Hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Because we were like, no, we're not gonna give it to you. We'll give to somebody else. Though I could imagine them being like, wait, they paid you and not me? But the point is, is liberals are fake. They don't care about. They don't care about this country. I should say liberal high priests are largely fake. The Krasenstein's post all day about crime in Chicago and Trump's National Guard. And then they say, well, I can't lose the income to prove that I'm right, whereas I miss a week of shows to go onto other people's shows for free on my own dime to talk about what I think is happening and what I think is important. Important. So I went on Brendan Schaub and Brian Count's podcast, spent my own money to get there, and they paid me nothing to go on the show. Went on Roseanne's show, same deal, spent my own money, missed two episodes so far. Went on the WPT poker stream to do a cross promotional thing. To be fair, not really a political thing, but I thought it'd be important that I make appearances in spaces that aren't overly political so that people can, you know, I can try. Try and be influential in other spaces, which eventually will lead back to the things that I believe in. And to be fair, they covered the cost of travel for me in that. In that regard. So it did, it did help with the rest of it. I'll be, you know, full disclosure. Went on Devory Darkin's podcast. Once again, he paid me nothing. So why can't these liberals just stand up for what they believe in, like all of us are willing to do? Because they don't believe in what they talk about. Agreed.

[Peter Navarro]

We'll have no moral center. I gotta thank you, Tim, for that, that $50,000. You didn't.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, of course.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, there's also the point that like the left, if you step out of line, if you step out of line, the left will, will excoriate you. You'll have people disavowing you. They'll do things to, they'll do things to actually try to harm you. Likely start by harming whatever your platform or business is. Like streamers and stuff. But like, I mean, just the, the whole Pokemon and, and Hassan stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

So Hassan did this. Pokimane's team saw that Hasan did this, so they, they, they canceled an appearance that, that she had with them. And, and that's typical of the left. So getting the left to come on here isn't just about getting them to come to a place where they feel like the discussion will not be friendly to them. They're going to see negative responses from their viewers and their audience for coming on.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Conover, when he came on the Culture war and we did our debate conversation and I told him we'd love to have him out for our culture war live events. And you know, we don't normally pay people for appearances, but I understand he's a busy guy. So we're actually planning big ones. The ones we've done have in the small bar events with 200 seats. We were like, now we're talking about like 2,000 seats. If we do that, we will pay a fee to all of our speakers for coming. And he's like, really? And we're like, yeah. Since that episode aired, he's just like, sorry, I really appreciate it. Can't do it. Yeah, Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I just want to make a point. Point about the Hassan thing too. I wanted to kind of respond to what you were saying.

[Tim Pool]

You support Hassan and agree with what he did.

[Peter Navarro]

A shock collar right now?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, dude.

[Peter Navarro]

One of the.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It just gets crazy to me. I know, I know. It's just insane to me that after all the things Hassan has called for in Minecraft, right. Quote unquote true, he's. He's getting in trouble. For what? The way he treated a dog. Like he know, said pressed oppressor about people. I know. It's just insane.

[Tim Pool]

The dog is oppressed by him, so he's become the oppressor.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He presses the button.

[Phil Labonte]

That one was bad.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. Yeah, it's funny.

[Phil Labonte]

Look, I mean, it's, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that he's doing his best to cover. You know, obviously he's, he doesn't want people to know that he has used physical force to train the dog because, because he knew that he would get this kind of backlash. And again, if you do something that your community sees as bad, they're going to do everything they can to harm you, harm your business, etc.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We should just get like, imagine. I'm not saying we should, but imagine like getting a list of his quotes that he said about people and just changing them to like dog themed sayings. Like, I'm just going to say it. Old Yeller deserved to get rabies.

[Tim Pool]

Yo, check this out. Here's the, here's the image of the mini educator. You can see the antenna and the round circular whatever and the, and the shot collar. And then when we scroll up right here, that, you know that that looks like it.

[Phil Labonte]

Looks like it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I don't know for sure. I mean, but it is funny how he like grabs it and slides it slowly forward.

[Seamus Coughlin]

If I'm not mistaken, this man said America deserves 911 or deserved 911. My incorrect. Yes, he did. And then, but then this is the thing that gets him cat. And don't get me wrong, wrong, I don't like that he did this either. And I'm glad it's something that. That's an insane way to treat an animal. But bro, come on, did you imagine career ended way sooner.

[Tim Pool]

Could you imagine what would happen if he just. If people were like, did you shock your dog? He went, yeah. And they'd be like, why would you do that? And be like, well, I bought a shot collar. They sell them on Amazon. And then people were like, yo, you shouldn't do it. He could have went, is it really that bad? I don't know. I was just. The pet store recommended it, so I bought it. Oh, I'm so sorry. I had no idea it'd be over. It'd be done well.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But I don't even think it's so much the method of punishment though that has something to do with it. It's punishing a dog for moving. Like, I think people are also just upset that regardless of how they feel about a shock collar, a dog should not be forced to just sit on a pad like that all day.

[Tim Pool]

And the funny thing is, he's got a big house. He could literally just put the dog outside the room and close the door.

[Phil Labonte]

Having him drop.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

The dog sit there for. Because Hasan streams for something like 10 hours a day, I think.

[Peter Navarro]

What are the ads? This thing was made in China. Shot collar of the dog.

[Tim Pool]

Having.

[Peter Navarro]

Having the dog. They, they, they market tested on, on humans up in the slave labor camps.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh my gosh.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, having this thing sit there for 10 hours or even half the time for five hours. That's a big dog. And the type of dog that it is, like it's a working dog. It needs to be out getting exercise and stuff like that. Having it sit there, sit there for five or hours is arguably more, more.

[Tim Pool]

Cruel than shocking it not made in the usa.

[Peter Navarro]

No kidding.

[Tim Pool]

He's actually going to get proudly assembled in the usa. So the components may be from all over the world. Yeah, so it says in Amazon, says proudly assembled in the usa.

[Peter Navarro]

Oh, see, there it is.

[Tim Pool]

What that means, Hang on. That means the base components, that's the.

[Peter Navarro]

Okay. The assembled in the usa. It's all Chinese parts.

[Tim Pool]

Perhaps.

[Peter Navarro]

Perhaps.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it could be for a living. You don't think that electric components may have come from Taiwan?

[Peter Navarro]

I'll tell you, I'll tell you one of the things I'm working on right now. It's on this thing called trans shipping. Okay. The idea is that when Donald Trump put in all the China tariffs back in the first term, it set off this gold rush in China basically to move all its production to these other countries and then the other countries send the stuff to us and they get the lower tariffs. But what we're learning from that whole exercise is that it's all about Chinese parts and they assemble them in Mexico or Vietnam or even here. No, I bet you that that if you look at the, the value of the content of that, Tim, it's probably 90 China.

[Tim Pool]

Well, probably. Let's, let's go to your Rumble rants and super chat. So smash the like button. Share the show right now with literally everyone you know. We have the uncensored members only show coming up at 10pm you don't want to miss it. So join the discord [e-mail] get involved. Tens of thousands of people hanging out, partying pre shows after shows. They're hanging out and they're wondering why you're not there to be friends with them. Join. Support the work we do. And don't forget to go to Tim Cast Premium to sign up for Rumble Premium for the uncensored portion. Coming up in just a little bit. Bit. But let's grab your rants and chance chats. Buck Bolt says. Did y' all see the DOJ just defended the National Firearms act of 1934 as constitutional. What happened to Trump promising positive gun reforms and repeals? Gun owners won't show in 2026?

[Phil Labonte]

Gun owners are very fickle and I do like they did defend the NFA and stuff, but I don't think that that is is indicative of them being anti gun and just straight up honestly like the option is the Democrats that want to ban all guns. So I mean yeah, maybe Donald Trump isn't perfect but I do think that he's, he's actually good on the second Amendment but the idea that, that you know, oh, we're not going to go vote for him so let the Democrats win. That's, that's cutting your nose off despite your face.

[Tim Pool]

Buck Bolt says tired of being treated as a second class right. It's the most important amendment in the Constitution. Without it, none of the others exist. We need voice like Tim Cast to boost this message.

[Phil Labonte]

It's true. It is treated like a second class right even though you know, SCOTUS has articulated plainly that the second Amendment is not a second class right. Which is why all of the they will eventually take an assault weapons ban or a semiautomatic rifle question. They will event the SCOTUS will see that probably this coming year they will take a magazine capacity case and they're going to treat those as if they are, you know, you're, they're going to treat your rights as if they are as, as important as your right to free speech or your right to not, you know, to, to be free of, of illegal searches and seizures.

[Tim Pool]

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[Peter Navarro]

I'm gonna head out.

[Tim Pool]

Tim. Get it.

[Peter Navarro]

Thank you guys for having me. Peter.

[Tim Pool]

Pleasure.

[Peter Navarro]

You guys can join me at Inverted world live on rumble and YouTube. We'll be taking your phone calls till midnight. See you guys then later. Anybody can call in.

[Tim Pool]

Anybody. All right, cut rim says people who burn the American flag and wave any other should be treated with the ruthless indifference as anyone who declared war in America throughout history.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, I think they should be treated with scorn, never mind a difference.

[Tim Pool]

While we, you know, for the longest time when they said, you can burn an American flag, it's fine. This only was. Was this was easy to say when the majority of the country wasn't burning American flags. They're like, fine, you do whatever you want. Why do we care? You're. You're a minor fringe minority.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, also, I could. You'd probably know this better than I, but am I mistaken or was that Supreme Court decision not decided until like the early 90s that burning a flag was protected or something like that? That was that. That it's not something that has been a historic norm in our country.

[Phil Labonte]

I, listen, I understand the point that you're making, but the. All of the gun rights progress that we've made in the past 25 years, they all started in like 2000.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So here's the thing.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not interested in that.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not interested in saying, well, it was found recently, so I don't want to pay attention to it because they will.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's not my argument. My argument is what is the lineage of it? Because when our nation began, we had robust gun rights. And so they're returning. I don't believe people were burning American flags when the United States started in the. That we would have been considered protected speech. Because a lot of the things we consider protected speech are based on like a post war vision of what that means.

[Phil Labonte]

We didn't have robust gun rights. We had the assumption of freedom.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

So the assumption was you are free to do whatever you want. So you can buy a machine gun etc because you are a free man. There is no reason to believe that you would be prevented or, or you would ask have to ask for any kind of permission or whatever.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So I don't think that this is the case when it to comes it comes to the first amendment restrictions that did exist at that time there were obscenity laws. Porn was not legal everywhere. I don't think people were up.

[Tim Pool]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

696891 Burning Flags I just, I don't, I don't think it's comparable.

[Peter Navarro]

What upsets you guys more? The American flag being burned or like thousands and thousands of Mexican flags being waved?

[Phil Labonte]

Thousands of Mexican flags?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Those being waved?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Peter Navarro]

Being waived and us powerless to do anything about it. Particularly when it interferes with law enforcement.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, 100%. The fact that there are people in the country that would prefer to wave Palestinian or Mexican or what have you flags, that is far more upsetting than the idea of someone burning an American flag as a form of protest.

[Tim Pool]

I mean it's cultural degradation.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and it's also a matter of context too. It's especially upsetting when somebody's out rioting and chanting and marching in defiance of the law while waving a foreign country's flag too.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. We got this one from unit. Unit glue says our tariffs working. Yes. China's minimum wage is down to A$25. State workers remain unpaid leading to revolts, evidence of torture and actor Yu Meng Long's death have surfaced. CCP lands in trouble. The craziest thing to me, the easiest example example of free trade destroying this country. A single grain of sand is the skateboarding industry. And there is a debate among these fringe far left psychotic retards who think tariffs are bad for skateboarding but are too stupid to know what's, what's, what's good for them. So this debate's been going on. I say tariffs are good. Why at some point. Well, let's go back in time. A guy's making skateboards in his. You know, a guy sees some kid nail a 2x4 to some roller skate trucks and start riding it around in the. In the. Was it the late 50s, 60s? He goes, I know I got a wood shop. I can actually make a better board than this. That'll work better for these kids. So he makes it. Then he goes to his kids, say, hey, get some kids in the neighborhood to ride these around. We're going to the park and we're going to show them off to everybody, see if we can sell some of these things. They have a local demo, that's what they call them. All the kids in the park see other people on skateboards. They say, I want to buy these. The local manufacturing wood shop starts selling a bunch. He then says, I need to get a couple of kids to ride these boards around town to spread the word. So he sponsors a bunch of kids, gives them free boards, brings boards home. You get a community, a culture is growing. Kids are then riding skateboards. Skateboarding develops. Now it's an Olympic sport. At some point these companies said, hey, we can save like $5 per board if we ship the wood to China first. The labor over there costs a dollar an hour power. So we take all the wood from Canada and North America, ship it to China, have the slave labor do it, send it back, we'll make five bucks. What happens? The locals, the local wood shops dry up, go out of business. They're not setting out boards to local kids anymore. Now in the United States, skateboarding is completely dead. And pro skateboarders work for they doordash. They work at Amazon and Lowe's. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not trying to be a dick to these guys, but they are broken and it's an Olympic sport. Meanwhile, in Japan, they have a game show called Kasso, which is dominating. You've got the barracks, which was the biggest, in my opinion, the most relevant cultural skate brand in the country for over a decade. Shut down. They opened a combo park with a theme park in Japan. In China, the videos are coming out showing the skate parks loaded with people. When we gave away our jobs, we destroyed our culture, our community, and our ability to. There's no existence without this. It's funny because China tricked the US into giving up its jobs. And the jobs are more valuable than the products we get from it. So I say, bring on the tariffs. Why boonies HQ.com buy skateboards from us? They cost $55. We get about 10 bucks a board. Margin we give around, it could depend. But upwards of 15 bucks to the pros whose board they are. So it's about 30 bucks. To make a skateboard. These pro companies will sell a board online in these shops for 100 bucks. And you wonder where that money goes. They're getting made in China now the tariffs hit and the cost of boards skyrocket. Some are hitting 150, 200 bucks. Because instead of saying, let's just make the boards here, let's take all the money we get and invest in a wood shop in America. They say, just check the price of up. Then you get these morons who don't know anything about politics going, why is Trump doing this to skateboarding? You know what? You go, Trump, he knows what he's talking about. What we need now is a sustained period of pain for the companies that offshore to China for them to say, okay, guys, stop make the boards in America. We are losing too much money. That's the move. And then what will happen? Your community will be revived. Go, Trump.

[Peter Navarro]

I think I should write a book about that. I think I wrote three of them about that. And that's what we do every day in the White House. Tim, that's exactly what you've described in micro detail in one particular small industry.

[Tim Pool]

But it's. Now, imagine every single industry.

[Peter Navarro]

Scale that up across this country. And here's the thing. It's like, I don't think if you lose the skateboard industry to China, it affects our national security. But when you scale that up to everything we do, we're in a position right now where China has significantly eroded our supply chain, and now they're trying to blackmail us with things like rare earth magnets.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Peter Navarro]

Right on, Tim. Right on, my brother.

[Tim Pool]

All right, we got Leo Wolf. The Red says, have you tried using Harry Potter analogies to get things through the thick heads of liberals? It's all Harry Potter or Star wars with those. With those troglodytes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We were just talking about this at lunch. That's hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

Where it's like some liberal is quoting Harry Potter like scripture.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, they would, like, quote Harry Potter like scripture. And then J.K. rowling upset them and they stopped. Yeah, but they would. They would literally.

[Tim Pool]

And seriously.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, it was true. They'd be like, is it not written that Voldemort's power. But it really would be like that where we had this authority that, like, Christians give to scripture. They would go, well, in Harry Potter, this kind of person was what the bad guy was. You're like, what are you talking about, bro?

[Tim Pool]

Now they don't know what to think because J.K. rowling's turned on him.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. Now they don't like Harry Potter anymore.

[Tim Pool]

They turned on J.K. rowling. Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And I guess they still have the Handmaid's Tale, you know, for now and then, I guess modern Star wars and Model and Marvel movies. That's pretty much. Those are the.

[Tim Pool]

Why don't. Why don't you take. Now take Handmaid's Tale from him by making a. A modern version where she enjoys it?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, we actually, here's the thing. We have a kind of a funny Handmaid's Tale parody that I wrote a while ago that I might make at some point in the. The future. But I don't want to say too much about it. I don't want to spoil it.

[Tim Pool]

The one where it's like, the women are the ones who want this monogamous, hierarchical, traditional religious society that's reflective of the real story.

[Phil Labonte]

You can, like, if you look at the way the women. The women that. That are like, oh, this is terrible, the way they behave, they actually want that.

[Tim Pool]

What was it? Michael Malice said something that I can't say. So I'll paraphrase that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's the whole.

[Tim Pool]

Women. Women will claim to be fighting the Handmaid's Tale, but then go home and read Fifty Shades of Gray.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's the point. Like, that's exactly.

[Tim Pool]

He said something more vulgar.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, that's exactly. I mean, there's everybody. That's. If you're extremely online right now, there's a book that everyone that creates content and video, or almost everyone is talking about called Morning Glory Milking Farm.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, the. The bowl thing where, like, women are fantasizing about going, no, I don't.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't know what this is. And I feel I've been shielded, and I'm just kind of like. I'm just going, come over.

[Tim Pool]

Don't worry, we'll get the uncensored. You don't want to.

[Phil Labonte]

But it's the most disgusting stuff imaginable, and that's the kind of stuff that women are.

[Tim Pool]

50,000 reviews on Amazon. The COVID picture is a woman with, like, a gigantic minute are. And you can understand what it's about.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, it's disgusting.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't want to understand.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, bro. Bro. No, no, no, no. If, if, if you can get someone to censor the naughty parts for you. The, like, feminist exposition is so amazing. There's apparently a scene in the book where they're at dinner, and then when they're paying, the woman goes to put her card down, but then the minotaur pushes her card back, and he says, listen, I know, we're both at different points in our careers and that means I can afford to spoil you. So. So as long as I can, I will. And that's not to say that you're not powerful and important or whatever. And then she's like, oh my God, I love him so much. It was at that point that he asked me, you get the point.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What if the Minotaur was like under six feet tall and didn't make six figures and didn't have a six pack, then how would the story go?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but the point is, like Tim said, like she says in the book, she's like, if, if he asked me, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, oh, I would have been the submissive, let him take advantage of me if he. And that's, you know, it's, it's, it's very typical of what women.

[Tim Pool]

Well, women want.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I'd be careful because the publishing industry is really degenerate and they'll push things. There's this channel I stumbled upon back in August called the Second Story and she was breaking down how smut gets pushed and women's publishing. I'm listening.

[Phil Labonte]

The point that I'm making, the Amazon reviews, like the Amazon, it's ton of four and five star reviews. The people that are buying this book are enjoying this book.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So I understand multiple things can be true. I don't disagree with you. Humans are broken. And when people have certain things stop.

[Phil Labonte]

Pushed on to them with exposure. The woman smut.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I don't.

[Phil Labonte]

For the woman smut women.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think if you read that, you're accountable for reading that and you shouldn't have done it. But I do think the publishing, publishing industry has really pushed it.

[Tim Pool]

I think all media, just, all of it, ban it all. Because all media. How many seasons of Married to Strangers are there at this point? Are you familiar? You've got like 90 Day Fiance and then you've got. There's like 16 versions of the same show with like 80 seasons each. And it's like, we got a guy from Pakistan to marry a lady from Japan. What do you think happened? And then you just like, women just watch that stuff like crazy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, well, that's the other thing too. There's so much trash tv. The idea that you're supposed to focus on your screen at all times. I mean, there used to be a time when people had to make things that had some level of quality to them, even if it wasn't the greatest thing ever created. There was an expectation that the person was really going to attempt to make something special. And now with the reality TV show stuff, I mean, granted that's a 20 year old phenomena, but the way that has pushed out like competently created fiction and forced it to compete with filming people and then editing it in deceptive ways is very lopsided landscape and it's very sad.

[Peter Navarro]

Yeah, I was too old for the Golden Bachelor. They called me. You want to do it? I told them how old I was. Yeah, you're a little pushing that. All right, who watches that crap? Come on now.

[Tim Pool]

Jack Rivers Poker says heart attack game. You did well. A couple of leaks to plug and you still could have won even with the queen's cooler. Good job. Overall though, I came in second to last. But they have a thing called the luck distribution and I had zero. It was absolutely merciless. There are a few spots I thought that I could have done better, but it's funny because everyone's always telling you what you should have done but not taking consideration what's going on in the room and things they can't see or can't notice. You're probably right though, Jack. But what I would say is I'm actually proud of myself in that game. There was a. I probably did the wrong thing, but did the right thing. There was a point where I was card dead for two hours. Meaning like you're just not getting playable hands. And so I'm just mocking. Eventually you can't just sit there and do nothing. Plus, I do want to stress this to everybody that watched. We were asked to to be a little crazy. They, you know, they intentionally were like, don't take it super seriously. This is not a tournament. Have fun and be goofy. That's why I did a blind bet of $100 because I was like, okay, let's make something entertaining for the show. Ended up with queens. Romulo at aces. It was still kind of obvious because it went raise to a thousand, race to 27. I look at queens, so I knew he probably was on a big pair or something. But I'm like, what are you going to do? Fold queens? I could have, but you know, I rolled with it. But there was one point where I looked down at deuce 5 off suit, which is trash. Never play it. Don't listen to me, don't play. Play it. But I figured I would try to make some bluff attacks. So I figured I'd call hope. Hopefully the board comes low. Then the people who, who raised are going to be over the top and I can try and bluff them out of the Pot, which I had success in in a previous. Previous moment. What ends up happening is the board comes out. I think it was like, what was it? Deuce 35? No, no, no, no. What did I have? I. Deuce five. So I was deuce, deuce 36. So I hit the pair of deuces. Needed a four for the strip straight. Romulo is playing, and he makes a bet. And I call because I'm like, I think my pair is probably good. He's probably doing a continuation bet, meaning his hand is above the board, and he's just trying to look. I'm the aggressor. I got the best hand. The four comes out, giving me the straight, which at this point is the second best possible hand. So I'm thinking, okay, my pair might have been good. If he's got, like, ace, king, ace, queen, NES, combo. I'm probably dead to any pair. But, you know, I could always fold. At this point, I'm thinking, well, now I'm good. But then he barrels, and I'm looking at him, and I'm thinking, like, he's got five, seven. He's got the one hand that beats me right now. My luck was running so bad. I'm like. I could tell from look in his eyes. There was this, like, incredulity that he could not believe. He had this. This. The absolute nuts. And so he bets. I call. The river comes out. I think it was a king. And then he bets 700. And I go. And I grab 700, and I call. And he goes, I got the nuts. And he flips over 5, 7. I flip over 25 for the second nuts. And he goes, holy crap. You. You. You lost the minimum. He's like, you. Why didn't you raise? I'm like, because I knew you had it. I was like, soul read. I knew that he had that. My second nuts were good, and I got a lot of praise for that, despite losing, like, fifteen hundred dollars in the hand that I didn't raise. And then he jams, and then I lose everything. I just called because I was just looking at the way he was playing the bet he was making, and I thought in my head, he's got the look of somebody who's not concerned at all. He was like, I won that. That's. That's the. So it wasn't like that he had aces or anything like that. I'm like, he's got. He's got the nuts. And so I walked out of the room, and I was like, I didn't do the worst But I had a lot of people being like, dude, that hand. Oh my God, how did you get out of there? And I was like, good read, I guess. So despite the bad luck in some areas, I had some good luck, good, some good play. But I probably could have, I think if I'll tell you how bad I was running. I had jacks. I raise. Haley calls me with King 6 off suit because she's nuts. And the board comes 7, 8, 9 of spades. Give me the gut shot, straight flush draw. But she's got the one liner to the, to the king high flush with a six of clubs. And she jams all in. And I'm like, I'm over the board with, with, with the, with the, the flush redraw and gut shot, straight flush. So I'm like, okay. I call. She says, you want to run it twice? I say yes, because I'm more interested in just playing the game long term. We're doing like four hour stream than just winning money. She hits the five and it's a straight on the first board. She was absolutely the minority position. I, I should have 80% chance to win or something like that. She still hits it. Fortunately for me. I said we'll run it twice. We ended up chopping the pot, but that's how insanely bad I was running. Miserable.

[Phil Labonte]

But it was fun luck for you.

[Tim Pool]

It was fun.

[Peter Navarro]

You got a good poker face though, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, probably.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Anytime Tim gets a good hand, his beanie like shoots up in the air and comes back down like a cartoon.

[Tim Pool]

So I, I'm actually just to get into all the poker stuff. I had a really great play on Saturday playing two five thousand dollar buy in. And I think I'm, I'm actually normally decent. Like Jack's pointing out like some leaks probably. I don't think I'm that good. Good. But I did a perfect false tell and roped the guy in for 600 bucks. I had king nine of clubs and I just. He raises. I call. So he probably had, he probably had a big pair. And the board comes out. I think it was ace three nine. I'm sorry, ace three eight of clubs. Which means I have what's called the point, the nuts. My king nine cannot be beat by any other hand. However, there's something that happens at a lot of lower stakes tables with inexperienced players when the board comes out monotone, we call it, it's all one suit. You'll notice inexperienced players will all look down at their hands. That's called a suit check. Typically your hand is Going to be two different suits. Sometimes you're suited, usually you're not. So when the board comes out, all clubs, people are going to go, do I have a club? And they're going to check. So when dude raised and the board comes out, I already know I have the nuts. But I did a fake suit check and looked down. And then I call his bet, hoping that he's thinking in his mind he has the king of clubs, but he's not made the flush yet because he's got like a. Maybe he's got, you know, a king and a 10 of spades or something. So then he checks. I bet he calls. He checks. I bet. I bet small, like 200 to make it look like I'm trying to do a light bluff, a bluff value bet to get him off the pot. He calls, I go, I got the nuts. Boom, he got pissed, he stormed off. So I was pretty proud of that play. That was pretty good. I like poker.

[Phil Labonte]

Nice.

[Tim Pool]

Good fun. Anyway. Anyway, we're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show, my friend. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. If you want to see Seamus, learn about the Minotaur milking book.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, no, no. That will not have. I will leave the room the moment it comes up.

[Tim Pool]

Go to rumble.com timcastirl. It's gonna be up in about 30 seconds or so. You can follow me on X and Instagram Timcast. Peter, did you want to shout anything out?

[Peter Navarro]

Yeah. I went to prison so you won't have to take a look at this. It incorporates all the themes we talked about tonight. It has great meaning for what's going to happen over the next couple of years. If we don't hold them accountable, that means putting them in prison. If you're not getting the message, they're going to put us in prison. So always a pleasure to be with you guys and it's been fun tonight. And now we're going to go into the uncensored portion. It'll be even more fun. Oh, yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Thank you so much for coming by by. And I would definitely like to read your book. So thank you for stopping by for, for everything you did.

[Peter Navarro]

I want you to just read it. Yeah, I want you to buy the damn thing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Fair enough. Fair enough. You're like. You're like, looking at this thing like.

[Tim Pool]

Like you're not letting the borrow out.

[Peter Navarro]

Without him giving you one. So I'll give you one for free if you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, no, I'll buy it.

[Tim Pool]

Hang on.

[Peter Navarro]

I'll make A deal with, with you. A good deal. I'll give you one for free if you do a little video on it, you know?

[Tim Pool]

A video?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, yeah, dude, I'd be happy to read that and like break it down and I'm. I'm happy to get it. Yeah, man. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

100.

[Peter Navarro]

A couple of vignettes in there that I think would be this camera ready, man. You could, you could do it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, dude. One million. One million.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna check it out.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, dude, I'm serious. I want to buy it. I wanna, I wanna, I want to read it because. But when you came on the show, I'm. I admire you and your work. My name is Seamus Coughlin. I'm a cartoonist. I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes if you guys want to go over there and check out my stuff. I also am launching an animated series called Twisted Plots. It's a full length animated show. We're crowdfunding it right now. If you're sick and tired of entertainment being produced by people who hate you, who hate your values, who are going to tell stories that are going to give you a bad moral or, or make you feel more cynical about reality and about the world, then please go over to twistedplots.com, support us. You'll get access to the pilot. You'll be helping us build culture. Thank you so much. God bless. Thank you for having me tonight, Tim.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. I just did a feature with the band Zillion. The song is called Cannibals. You can check it out on October 17th. Go to Spotify to pre. Save it now. My band is all that remains. You can check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out, Sam. Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast right now and it's great.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You love the host.

[Tim Pool]

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