Peter St. Ange (5:50)

Thanks for having me on, Tim.

Tim Pool (5:52)

Who are you? What do you do?

Peter St. Ange (5:53)

So I'm a former professor. I was teaching at an MBA program out in Taiwan. Felt like I was kind of not really in the fight way over there. I wasn't manning the wall. Came back, worked at a think tank up in Montreal. COVID 19 hit. Everybody got wiped out. Came to the US where I'm from, joined the Heritage foundation, and about two years ago started doing daily videos on freedom of economics. Those took off. I was kind of surprised. They're very short, three and a half minutes, so not too painful. Painful. And that, that kind of blew up.

Tim Pool (6:25)

So everybody shares your videos on X.

Peter St. Ange (6:27)

A lot of people share them. And honestly it was Elon. As soon as Elon bought Twitter, I immediately sat down like before. Then I figured, okay, why start anything? It's just going to get censored. Why bother? You know, you spend whatever months and months building something up and then it gets nuked. As soon as he bought Twitter, I started making plans and then got it up like four months after. So huge impact from Elon.

Tim Pool (6:51)

Right on. Well, I'm looking forward we were to the conversation. We were talking a bit about economics, taxes, gold and what the apocalypse will look like. And considering all this news about far left violence, we're gonna need to consider is it going to be bottle caps, maybe lipstick, but we'll get into that. Thanks for hanging out. Ian's here.

Ian Crossland (7:08)

Yeah, I'm pumped, man. You said you were part. You. You identify with the libertarian models of thought, but you don't get into that Libertarian Party.

Peter St. Ange (7:16)

Right.

Ian Crossland (7:16)

Anyway, I will go deeper into it on the show. I'm just happy to be back. You Guys, and tonight for the first time, I'm on the Rumble app. I've been on the YouTube app every night. I've got it up on my phone during the show, watching the chat. Tonight, it's Rumble. So get over there, get in there and say, hi, I'm Ian Crossland. Glad to be back, Phil. What's going on, baby?

Phil Labonte (7:31)

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all the Urmains. And I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. I did want to point out that our guest tonight was. Is a Austrian economist and he is not friendly to the Libertarian Party. And that is something after my own heart. I like a lot of libertarian ideas. The Libertarian Party is the most annoying thing in the world. Let's get into it.

Tim Pool (7:53)

Yeah, right. Like real quick. Anarcho. Anarcho capitalist.

Peter St. Ange (7:57)

Yes, absolutely.

Tim Pool (7:58)

So not one of these graph go up. Lol Barians.

Peter St. Ange (8:00)

Right. And. And I hope we can get into that during the show. But yeah, definitely. Yeah. The reason for that. Yeah.

Tim Pool (8:06)

All right, well, let's start with this. We have this. We have. We have two stories that kind of go hand in hand. The first is the dhs. We have the DHS and the DOJ targeting the far left extremists, the terrorist. But we're gonna start with the swatting because we've got an update. Owen Schroyer. The video put out is insane. DHS will hunt down swatters targeting conservative figures. Secretary Christine Noem says under President Trump's leadership, we will not sit idly by as conservative new media and their families are being targeted by false swatting. DHS gov has the ability to trace phone numbers and track location information. We will use it to hunt these cowards down. This is an attack on our law enforcement and innocent families and we will prosecute it as such. Take a look at this. Owen Schwer tweeting, just got swatted. This is just one of the videos he has where police came to his door, weapons trained and brought him out, made him take off his shirt, put his hands up, walk backwards. This is manipulating law enforcement to force them to engage in or to cause terror of these individuals. There was a. There were a couple other individuals that I saw. Some of these individuals getting swatted are not particularly prominent. No disrespectful, but it's local news picking it up.

Phil Labonte (9:13)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (9:13)

The stories we see tend to be these big national figures, but then in the media there are smaller conservative personnel being targeted as well.

Ian Crossland (9:20)

Possible that it's Foreign agents using like throughputs to get to a local number. And man, I told Chase Geyser, who had experienced this a week ago or so, he was swatted. And I, we talked and I was like, contact your local police department. Let them know who you are, that you're a, you know, streamer. And if you are a streamer, you should do the same. Get to know your local cops, because if they know who you are and they know you're prominent, if they get that call, they're gonna know ahead of time that they don't necessarily need to kick the door down, that there's probably some malfeasance going on.

Phil Labonte (9:48)

That's a, that's a really good point. It's worth noting whether you're, whether you're in the political realm or even if you're just a regular streamer, it's a good idea to let your local law enforcement know to, to, to the degree that you're, that you can, I mean, if you're in a big city, it's harder to get in touch with, with police and make them aware. But if you're in a smaller town, you can definitely reach out to your local enforcement. Say, look, you know, I'm a, a low level public figure. Right. Just, just, you know, don't try and pump yourself up, but just be like, look, if someone ever calls in these kind of calls, you know, let me know first. Call me. You can talk. I'll be, you know, I'll be there. This kind of stuff happens from time to time. So it's a really good point, Ian.

Ian Crossland (10:28)

Thanks. And, and additionally, if this kind of thing, I don't take sides on this, man. If this kind of thing was happening to.

Tim Pool (10:33)

I do.

Phil Labonte (10:33)

I'm on the side of the people that are not doing the swatting. Exactly.

Ian Crossland (10:37)

The righteous path. And if people were swatting, and I'll pick on you, Sam Cedar, who. I love you, Sammy. But if you, for instance, who's considered on the left, if someone. I would be up in arms if people were swatting people like Sam, it's not cool, man. So we got to get this resolved. And I'm glad that they're doing it.

Tim Pool (10:51)

Sure. So I'll say this. If you look to any prominent liberal, they're going to decry this and say, of course we oppose this. And then they're going to advocate for violence. They're going to celebrate Luigi Mangione. They're going to turn on Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert, who essentially encouraged people to commit acts of terrorism and I'll clarify this with full context. Jimmy Kimmel made a joke where he goes, don't vandalize Tesla vehicles anyway. And then everyone busts out laughing because the implication was do it. And Stephen Colbert said he appreciates the tireless effort of the individual who vandalized a bunch of vehicles, stealing their tires and said the reason he doesn't condone the violence, that. That. That condemnation comes from the deepest pit of his CBS legal team. The insinuation, of course, everyone laughed over the acts of terror. I mean, they are shooting up buildings with guns. The insinuation is it's funny that people are doing it and they don't have no remorse.

Phil Labonte (11:49)

And the people.

Tim Pool (11:50)

So just real quick for these prominent liberals who would dare come out and be like, we, we don't want any of this. Yeah. Tell Bill Burr to shut up. Because. Because these prominent individuals on your side keep calling for more.

Ian Crossland (12:02)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (12:02)

Look, the left. I've been in a bit of a back and forth with some people on. On X about this. Whether or not this is terrorism. There are people that are saying this isn't terrorism. The intent is clearly to frighten people and to harm. Harm Tesla. Harm. Harm people that would buy Teslas, scare people away from supporting Teslas or buying. Buying their stock or whatever. The intent is to use violence to frighten people for a political end. It is a purely political thing. And there is no question that that is the textbook definition of terrorism.

Peter St. Ange (12:37)

Yeah, the, the. So the definition of terrorism is violence or intimidation for political ends.

Phil Labonte (12:43)

Thank you.

Peter St. Ange (12:44)

The trick here is that for 50 years it has not been prosecuted on the left. And so the left just can't get it through their heads. They burned down entire cities. They just did it a couple of years ago. Nobody gets arrested. If they do, it's a slap on the wrist. So they can't get it through their heads that left wing political terrorism is actually terrorism.

Phil Labonte (13:04)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (13:05)

What's I got. I think they're just, they're fully aware of it. They're just lying. I mean, you take a look at the court cases with Donald Trump. The judges keep saying, Trump can't do this, Trump can't do that. In the instance of the deportation, it is completely within Trump's authority to deport criminal aliens. Obama did it to a tremendous degree. And they said, where are the trials for these individuals? Ask Obama. I guess the point is this. It's not about what about ism. It is, they know Democrats have done this. They did not care. They are only pretending now that Trump does it. They are claiming that Trump is pushing us towards a constitutional crisis. When Trump uses executive authority as he's allowed, and then their judges that violate jurisdiction, that extend beyond their jurisdiction make orders of Trump which he can't abide by and then say he's causing the crisis. This is the game. They will engage in terror and then they will joke about it and claim it's not happening or act like they don't like it while encouraging it.

Ian Crossland (14:07)

This, you're going to say something here, okay, about this, this Trump deportation, the judge trying to put a stay on it. Just. This is a bit of a tangent from this story, but I want to flesh this out. So Trump said trend is a terrorist organization. And then he said now by my legal authority, because they're a terrorist organization that has been invading at the whim of a government, at the will of a government, because he has the paperwork, apparently I can just get them out of here with, with this 1789 act and the illegal, whatever it was called.

Tim Pool (14:34)

Why mention that?

Ian Crossland (14:35)

Because he was the one that said so.

Tim Pool (14:37)

If he said that, why mention 1789.

Ian Crossland (14:39)

When the act was written? So he's taking an old law.

Tim Pool (14:41)

Does that have to do with anything?

Ian Crossland (14:42)

I'm just explaining. This is the law he used. He used a law.

Tim Pool (14:45)

Right. So don't bring up when it was codified. It's a serial.

Ian Crossland (14:48)

Okay? It's an, it's a, it's, it's a tried. And it's been in our government for hundreds of years for a reason. Because it's an important thing for the President to be able to do in a wartime situation or if there's an invasion. So if Trump says the proud boys are a terrorist organization, I'm declaring it now. I'm going to deport all of them.

Tim Pool (15:04)

You can't. They're citizens.

Ian Crossland (15:05)

Hold on. Okay, but what if it was another foreign group that wasn't really terroristic and the President said they were and then started deporting them?

Tim Pool (15:12)

You think there'd be a lawsuit about the declaration of Trend Trend Aragua as a terrorist organization?

Ian Crossland (15:17)

You'd have to take it back to the declaration itself. That makes sense. Right?

Tim Pool (15:20)

So the one thing, the reason I bring up the year is that the corporate press has been using this 18th century law as a means of discrediting it. When the great point was made the other day by our super chats. Actually, this was yesterday morning on the morning show. Murder is codified in lot well before the existence of the United States. Are we going to go using a 13th century law or a 3rd century law. Trump thinks that he's going to be able to bar. So you have people who we know are not citizens, we know are criminals. The only concern I have is that Trump be transparent and the administration show a list of the individuals that are deported. That's the due process they deserve. Are you a citizen, yes or no? Here you go, everybody. Here's the bio of the individual, their name, where they come from. They are criminals. They're not citizens. We deport them.

Peter St. Ange (16:04)

And we have a long history of going to war with organizations that are not governments. Right. We just got off the global war of terror that was going for 20 years. That was often. I don't know what the legal mechanism is, but we were effectively tighting fighting organizations. The very first war in our nation's history was against pirates. Middle East. So this is the Shores of Tripoli. We.

Tim Pool (16:27)

We had a song, right?

Peter St. Ange (16:28)

Yeah, exactly.

Tim Pool (16:29)

That was.

Peter St. Ange (16:29)

Yeah, that was the origins of the Marines. We had an invasion by. By Pancho Villa around 19. What was it, 1900? 1910. So that was an organization that Mexico could not control. He was allegedly not under the control of the Mexican government, but it was treated like a war. So we have a long precedent. This is not something new. You can go to war against organizations that are not formally governments, just like you can go to war against government now.

Tim Pool (16:52)

Ian, we can have a conversation. If Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi arrest a bunch of antifa because they're domestic terrorists and Trump tries to deport them to El Salvador, then we're going to have a conversation.

Ian Crossland (17:04)

Because they're citizens.

Tim Pool (17:05)

Because they're citizens. And they should be in an American prison with American due process, American citizens and all the Constitution affords them, even if they're disgusting criminals who are committing acts of terror. I don't believe that is a reality. Like the idea that they're going to catch one of these morbidly obese guys, you know, in all black at a Tesla dealership and then be like, 12 Salvador with ye. I really don't see happening. But I will. I will absolutely call out the administration. Should they do that? You have my word. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (17:32)

Or the next administration. If they're like, all right, who's. Because of the Patriot act, the president has such authority now since the Patriot act to be like, this group's bad. This group's a terrorist organization. I don't know who. Who can challenge the president from declaring that? Is there someone I don't know enough about?

Tim Pool (17:46)

I'm pretty sure literally anyone in the United States could file a lawsuit challenging that declaration. Presumably, if you're going to have standing, it's going to be some association with the group. So if Trump came out and said the proud boys are terrorists, they could file a suit and say it's, it's an improper designation. In fact, I'm not actually sure there is an official domestic terror designation for any American groups because of the First Amendment. Labeling foreign groups terrorist organizations is because they're specifically not American. So they do not. As foreign entities, they are not subject to the rights of the Constitution. When they enter this country, they're now invaders, and they are not subject to the rights. In the same way, if you are an illegal immigrant who entered for, like, you came in for economic reasons, you are going to get granted a decent amount of constitutional rights. I know a lot of people on the right don't like that, but that's true. And the protection is for you, not the illegal immigrant, to prevent the government from arresting, searching and seizing American citizens. It's going to apply to any human body. However, if you are a known Trend Day Aragua member and they're investing in you, they're going to arrest you, put you on a plane and send you out. And, and they're going to say, we did. And in fact, there's a ruling in 1948, this has gone viral, that already set the court precedent that deportations under the Alien Enemies act do not require judicial review.

Ian Crossland (18:56)

Correct.

Tim Pool (18:57)

Saying that judges have neither. What did it say? Neither the jurisdiction nor the competence or something to that effect.

Ian Crossland (19:03)

Yeah, that's, that's the. Exactly right.

Tim Pool (19:05)

Could you imagine? I mean, I don't want to go too far into this because we are going to talk about it later. A scenario where with all these people, I said, imagine this. Donald Trump tells Israel we are going to cut military funding and aid and pull our personnel unless you stop bombing Gaza. And Israel says, no, we're going to keep doing it. So Trump says, fine, I order all US Military assets onto, onto, onto, you know, planes to fly back to the United States. We are cutting Israel off. And then a single district court judge bangs the gavel and says, no, do not do that. Send all the military equipment and funding back to Israel. These people would be apoplectic, these Israel critical individuals.

Ian Crossland (19:44)

It's like on the left, times of war, times of invasion. And these words are like, obviously, we're not. We haven't been at war since World War II. We haven't officially been at war. So that's off the books. Invasion. And now like do you consider it an invasion? And some judges like, no. Some are like, yes.

Tim Pool (19:59)

That's always. That's always how it's been. It's. The judiciary interprets.

Ian Crossland (20:02)

And so you get these judges like, it was an invasion, therefore, these people cannot be deported.

Tim Pool (20:06)

And that's the point of the Supreme Court. So the issue is the president has the authority as it pertains to law enforcement, and the law says he can do this. It's insanity that anyone would be arguing that a single district court, a lower court, could order the president stop international negotiations. That's what happened. Trump negotiated with El Salvador to hold known criminals, and they agreed a plane was. Was transporting the criminals to El Salvador. And a judge said, turn it around. That's laughably psychotic. You cannot tell the president to cancel his negotiations with world leaders, because, again, I'll give you another scenario. Trump is talking to Putin and says, we want to end the war in Ukraine. And Putin says, I know you have special forces and weapons coming into Ukraine. And then Trump says, okay, we will pull our special forces and the funding and the war is over. And Putin shakes his hand and then pops up CBS News, and they say, a lower court judge banged the gavel and said, no, we're going to keep funding the Ukrainians. Putin would be like, why am I wasting my time talking to a man who can't make a deal?

Phil Labonte (21:11)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (21:12)

So it's insane to think that Trump can't set this. This. This policy.

Phil Labonte (21:16)

This does speak to the broader fact that there's, you know.

Peter St. Ange (21:33)

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Phil Labonte (21:52)

Many judges that are. I don't know if there's actually a concerted effort or if it's just because of their ideological bent, but they're trying to stymie the elected president, you know, trying to prevent him from doing things that he was elected to do. And this is a problem, obviously, because the president is elected by the people to perform duties that the people want. So if he gets elected and these judges are going to just say, well, we have a different ideology than the majority of the people that voted for the president. And so we're going to interpose ourselves between the president or between the people.

Tim Pool (22:29)

I think that's fine. I'm totally fine with it. 100%. I'm not 100% fine. Obama appoints a judge, Trump gets elected. The judge says, I don't like what you're doing. Trump he says, okay, let's go to court over it. That's totally fine. The purpose of the judiciary is to extend beyond short terms. We have a president every four years, we have Congress every two years, we have senators every six. And then we have judges which, which have, I don't know, the appointments for the lower courts and Supreme Court's lifetime. The goal there is Obama. There will be a difference in the branches influence over a long period of time. The issue at hand is when a judge extends beyond his jurisdiction, I.e. foreign Affairs, International negotiations, and powers under the executive solely for foreign relations. If Donald Trump said, I'm going to transport this criminal from this, this federal prisoner from New York to California for the purpose of trial, and a lower court district judge in D.C. bang the gavel to stop, turn that car around. We have an injunction. I'd say it's totally fine. I know they're obstructing. I know they're doing it for obstructive reasons. But this is different. This is a president saying, as per the DoJ, the DoJ gets challenged by a judge. We have these, these checks for a reason. I'm fine with those limitations. If Donald Trump says, we have captured the leader of a terrorist organization, he's being transported to one of our allies, and a judge says, no, it undermines the President's authorities as commander in chief. Doesn't fly. But let's jump to this next story because we are going to get back into that again. This is from the New York Times. Pam Bondi calls Tesla vandalism domestic terrorism, promising steep consequences. The Attorney General echoed remarks by President Trump as protesters against Elon Musk and his efforts to shrink the government have defaced and destroyed Tesla vehicles. Yeah, it's terrorism. And now the Post Millennial reports activist group Indivisible Tennessee to stage Tesla protests at Franklin, Memphis, Knoxville and Chattanooga. Here's challenge. We know they're engaged in acts of terror in Vegas. They didn't just torch the Tesla dealership, they opened fire on it. Someone could be there and get killed. When they're shooting bullets into these buildings, there's going to be employees, there's going to be custodians even, or customers. Insane. Now, the challenge is this. We know that at the highest level, you've got Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert gloating and mocking the idea. Essentially, it's encouraging it. You've got people like Bill Burr cheering on the violence. You've got a spattering of various leftists attacking random vehicles across the country. How should the Federal government handle this protest. Should they say it is but a peaceful protest, it's always allowed, or should they say this is organized, this is targeting Tesla. Tesla are high priority targets of terror and we will enforce the law to grave consequence.

Ian Crossland (25:22)

What they would have done four years ago is put a bunch of FBI agents in the protest pretending to be protesters and made it go violent on purpose so that they could arrest them all. Now what they should do is probably keep an eye on the protest if they get out of line. Crackdown.

Peter St. Ange (25:36)

So this was an issue during the BLM riots. Right. So historically Most of Fortune 500 CEOs have voted Republican, something like 70%. Not one Fortune 500 CEO had a negative opinion about BLM. Right. This was a Marxist violent organization. Not one of them spoke out. Why didn't they speak out? Because this would have happened. Their headquarters would have been firebombed, their employees would have been beaten up. So this has been going on for a long time. I think this is a big reason why corporations bent the knee and turned into these woke beasts. It's absolutely, it's gotta be treated the exact same way that they would treat right wing political violence, which is absolute crackdown. So I think Bondi is absolutely on people.

Ian Crossland (26:20)

During the riots in 2020, they were people putting like signs on their windows of like, please don't break my thing. I'm not part of this. I don't exactly.

Phil Labonte (26:29)

Not only that, the government was encouraging it. You had Democrat senators and representatives saying things like, you know, these people should be upset, they should be out in the street. They should be, you know, Maxine Waters was saying things like, oh, you know, you don't give them a moment's rest, you know, get in their faces at bars, etc. The Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris, Former Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris, she was telling people, look, this is who you call if you want to.

Ian Crossland (26:56)

All right?

Phil Labonte (26:57)

She was advertising a website that would help defend people that were arrested. So she was promoting the defense fund for people that were arrested, arrested for crimes, not arrested for protesting, arrested for crimes in, in during the protests and the riots. So the, the idea that there is a equal playing field between the right and the left, that's just ridiculous. It's completely and totally not true. Yeah, the left and the left knee, the, the current. Because of the way that the DOJ and the FBI are structured now, they, they need to come down on the people that are committing these crimes extremely hard. There's a guy are committing crimes Daniel.

Ian Crossland (27:35)

His name was Daniel Clark Pounder, 24 year old, he just got faces 20 years in federal prison after he allegedly firebombed the Tesla charging station. And that is from. So that's a 24 year old, just got 20 years in prison.

Tim Pool (27:46)

You know, arguably way he's facing it.

Ian Crossland (27:48)

He'S facing 20 years, which is like, whoa, I get it. Maybe they're using terrorism charges. Don't get roped up in this. Don't think you're doing, don't think it's fun, don't.

Phil Labonte (27:59)

Absolutely. They should punish them as a means to deter other people. Unfortunately, the people that have already done these things, they have decided to do these things. This is terrorism. It's not a question of whether or not it's terrorism. It clearly is. They're doing it in an, in an effort to intimidate and frighten people. They're destroying, destroying property. They're committing violent acts. They need to be made an example of.

Ian Crossland (28:24)

You know, I wouldn't consider it. Sorry, let me just point out, I wouldn't consider terrorism if it was just random. A bunch of different cars all over the place were getting beat up. It's one company is getting targeted, which is why I consider it terrorism.

Phil Labonte (28:37)

One company and the private property of individual citizens of the United States. These cars are getting keyed, they're getting firebombs. They're the people that own, actually know the Tesla. The Tesla ownerships are actually run by Tesla. So I'll, I'll, I'll go gloss over that. So go ahead.

Peter St. Ange (28:52)

I'm sorry, but yeah, and then the next question is using RICO on some of these organizations.

Ian Crossland (28:56)

Right?

Peter St. Ange (28:57)

So Antifa says no, no, we're not a formal organization. Well, neither is the mafia. The mafia does not have a mailing address with a bunch of registered. Right. These are all shadow organizations. And the job of the prosecutor is to figure out what is a substantive organization here. So use that on Antifa, on, you know, whatever NGOs are currently associated with these crimes.

Phil Labonte (29:19)

Pardon me?

Peter St. Ange (29:21)

Whatever NGOs are either pushing or funding or associated with.

Phil Labonte (29:25)

Absolutely.

Peter St. Ange (29:25)

Remember during the BLM riots, I think we had like U hauls full of cinder blocks.

Phil Labonte (29:30)

Yeah.

Peter St. Ange (29:30)

Somebody paid for this.

Tim Pool (29:31)

And people. Yeah, yeah, but those. It's not expensive, right? I mean, relative to. So let's say there's some dude who works at a big tech Silicon Valley farm and he makes 120,000 a year and he's got 10k in his bank account saved up and he says, I'm gonna go spend a thousand dollars on Bricks. I always, I always hear people say, like, who paid for this? And I'm like, guys, it's not that expensive to do some of these things. Couple hundred bucks. You can get signs printed up.

Ian Crossland (29:53)

I guess you'd have to take into Account 1, how much was spent on the terrorism to get it funded, and two, how much damage was done by the terrorism after the fact. And put those two things together or not necessarily additive, but it's, it's both important because I think, because if someone spends 100 million to try and get some terrorist event done and the event fails and no, no damage is done. That's not so. I mean, it's still $100 million was spent on terrorism, but there's no damage. So, like, hard to prosecute.

Phil Labonte (30:21)

It's conspiracy then, correct? I mean, you can, you can absolutely prosecute for a conspiracy to commit, you know, a terroristic. Terrorist.

Ian Crossland (30:28)

So the more money put into it, the more likely would be considered a conspiracy by, by charge.

Phil Labonte (30:33)

Well, I mean, if there, if there are people that are planning, you know, multiple people that are playing. Because you mentioned RICO earlier, if there are multiple people planning on doing something, that in and of itself is a crime.

Ian Crossland (30:43)

So what takes to get to RICO charges? What do you need to get there? What, what, what would it like a bunch of people on a Facebook group being like, hey, don't. I'm not saying go out and. But like, is that RICO or like, what point would it become?

Peter St. Ange (30:54)

I imagine there may be better legal, legal scholars here, but, you know, if you got a bunch of mafia guys who are sort of joking, not joking, like, hey, take care of him, wink. The prosecutor will be very interested in all those kinds of statements. And, you know, whether or not it was sort of a wink, wink statement is immaterial.

Phil Labonte (31:13)

Honestly, if that, if it can be that loose, I'd round up people like Jimmy Kimball too. Because if it's as loose as, hey, take care of him, wink, wink. Anyone that said things about, you know, free Luigi or whatever, they're advocating the, the, you know, they're supporting terrorists, they're aiding and abetting or whatever. If it. I don't know that it is, but if it is, if, if it is that kind of loose association, round them up too.

Peter St. Ange (31:40)

Well, money and I think, like, leadership structure are traditionally used to define like a RICO organization. So if person A is commanding person B to do something, and then they usually look at the money because generally money ties it all together. So, you know, if you look at those for antifa, I think that would Be absolutely fascinating.

Phil Labonte (31:59)

Unfortunately, then it's probably the people that are on, on late night TV making jokes or you probably don't want to.

Peter St. Ange (32:05)

Go that far because at that point it is second or first amendment advocacy.

Tim Pool (32:08)

The challenge is that what we're seeing, we described it as the ice bucket challenge of terrorism. It's a standalone complex. It is a cultural emergent phenomenon. These people don't need to be organized. They know what to do without direction. So when someone makes a video and they, and they look at the camera and they say, you know what to do, they all instantly know what the reference is. And then if you actually went to court and went before a jury and said, look, he said, you know what to do? They're like, what? And he's going to just go, I was talking about buying ice cream.

Peter St. Ange (32:41)

So it doesn't that work with isis, for example, when they're recruiting people. So the organization is intentionally atomistic. They don't have an hierarchical structure because they're trying to, you know, sort of deny connections. So if you define antifa, for example, if you designate that as a terrorist organization, then at that point I guess you can trigger and everything you use against isis.

Tim Pool (33:03)

And of course you can, because they're international, which is that a lot of people don't understand this. When there were discussions about labeling antifa terror a terrorist organization, many on the right and the left, largely leftists, were like, you can't. Domestic groups can't be declared terrorists because of the first amendment. And then people pointed out antifa is an international entity. So if an American, if Americans pledged allegiance to Hamas or ISIS or whatever group, yeah, you're going to get charged. You can get charged with terror, providing material support or otherwise. Same is true for antifa. So it can happen.

Ian Crossland (33:36)

The antifa has been international. Antifa, that was ancient, that's been around for a long time.

Tim Pool (33:40)

It started in other countries and it still exists. There's antifa in other countries today. And so they're loosely knit. So however, the challenge is for an American citizen who's not antifa or anything like that, they've been making social media videos saying things like, why won't someone just do it? And then people know what there's a reference to. But if you were to, the video can't get banned, the feds can't do anything about it. What are they going to say? They're going to be like, oh, I was talking about someone needing to wash the car. Oh, geez, what do you mean? I didn't say anything. And they didn't. So how do you, how do you deal with it?

Ian Crossland (34:17)

I don't know. This is the complicated part of free speech is your system is vulnerable to insinuation and like mind control and manipulation through legal channels.

Peter St. Ange (34:26)

Yeah. Well, that's why earlier I was saying money and hierarchy. I think that you really can't get past that because otherwise you're, you're impinging too much on, on First Amendment.

Ian Crossland (34:35)

And if there's no money, if it's just random comments through social. Because now that we have social media, you don't necessarily need a hierarchy. There's just like algorithms.

Peter St. Ange (34:44)

You, you do have long standing laws about incitement. Right. So you have incitement, the riot. So I don't know if that. I think it's got to be pretty direct.

Ian Crossland (34:51)

Yeah, they got to have. Usually it's a direct threat with like time, with like a time, like it needs to be an adjunct call to it. Like at this time, at this place, we're doing this thing. And if those three things are apparent, it's become an actual threat, like a legitimate illegal. Otherwise it's just like, if you're like, I'm going to go illegal thing. Totally legal to say that out loud. I mean, there are some things I think might get you in trouble. Like if you're messing with like the command structure of the military and you're saying you're going to go do something, they'll, they might come and try and check you out. But generally you're allowed to make threats if they're not imminent threats, so.

Phil Labonte (35:29)

Imminent threats. Yeah.

Tim Pool (35:31)

You can't direct people to do things or declare you're going, you're about to do a thing. But when Bill Burr said that he thought people should commit heinous acts against billionaires, that's just a thought he's allowed to have.

Peter St. Ange (35:41)

Right.

Tim Pool (35:41)

We got this story here from Graby and it's a clip from Colbert. Colbert on Tesla cars getting wheels stolen. I do not condone this, but I do appreciate your tireless efforts. So we've got Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel essentially advocating for the terrorism that we are seeing. I don't know where this clip start, but let's, let's roll it.

E (36:03)

Trump is not destroying everything we love all on his own. He's getting a big assist from Tesla, CEO and, and guest of the White Lotus undressing that corpse with his eyes. Elon Musk. That has led a lot of protests around the country at Tesla dealerships. Now, I want to be clear, I do not condone violence or vandalism of any kind. That is a deeply held belief of mine that comes from the bottom of my CBS legal department. With that, I find it interesting that there's a growing trend of cybertrucks being vandalized and used as skate ramps or covered in garbage. To be fair, to be fair, that might not be vandalism. That might just be a simple mistake, because they do look a lot like a dumpster.

Ian Crossland (36:55)

It's vandalism, dude.

E (36:57)

Tesla owners. Tesla owners are facing backlash everywhere they go. Recently, somebody stole the wheels from every single Tesla in a Texas parking lot. Whoever did it, I do not condone this, but I do appreciate your tireless efforts. What's this?

Tim Pool (37:23)

What happened when Jussie Smollett lied about getting attacked?

Ian Crossland (37:27)

Everybody?

Tim Pool (37:27)

Every single show was somber.

Phil Labonte (37:30)

Oh, yeah.

Tim Pool (37:31)

That this could happen in this country is shocking. How could this never happened, yet when innocent people are being attacked? It's funny. Hey, we got Jimmy Kimmel. Don't forget Jimmy Kimmel. Wait, we don't got Jimmy Kimmel.

Peter St. Ange (37:44)

Got it.

Tim Pool (37:45)

Now we got Jimmy Kimmel. Okay, apparently we. Oh, now we. Other than the stock market for a change, our co president Elon Musk sent a SpaceX vehicle to. To bring the astronauts back. And when they landed, he fired them immediately upon landing, Tesla stock is way down, almost disastrously.

Phil Labonte (38:06)

So people.

Tim Pool (38:08)

People have been vandalizing Tesla vehicles. New Tesla vehicles. Please don't vandalize. Don't ever vandalize Tesla vehicles. And so Elon Musk has been making the rounds in the. Right. We all get the implication of what his joke was meant to be. Yep, that light pause with the look to the camera was the wink. The wink and the nod. That's ABC Effectively saying, do it.

Ian Crossland (38:36)

Yeah, man.

Tim Pool (38:36)

It's like, I do want to give a shout out real quick just to this clip before we go. Once again, I gotta unmute this stuff, don't I?

Ian Crossland (38:44)

Even Colbert?

Tim Pool (38:45)

Good. There we go.

E (38:46)

This weekend, a man and a woman who are.

Tim Pool (38:48)

Sir, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I gotta. I gotta tee this off. This is from March 13, 2022.

E (38:53)

Living together in the resistance took a break from fighting to get married on the front lines.

Tim Pool (39:00)

It's.

E (39:00)

It's like a wedding in Texas, but with slightly fewer guns. Although, Although, I must say. I must say, huge faux pas. Everyone knows you're not supposed to wear the same color camo as the bride. Where is she?

Tim Pool (39:13)

Where?

Phil Labonte (39:14)

Where is she?

E (39:17)

I'll tell you what, I will never complain about a destination wedding again. Russia has been hit with A series of crippling sanctions. And it looks like there's more to come because the US and its European allies are now discussing banning imports of Russian oil. Take that, Putin. We're not going to buy our gas from a war criminal. We're going to buy it from the good guys. Saudi Arabia. But it's going to cost. Since the invasion, oil prices have skyrocketed. Today, the average gas price in America hit an all time record high of over $4 per gallon. Okay, that stings. But a clean conscience is worth a buck or two. I'm willing to pay.

Ian Crossland (40:01)

It's a bucket for a gallon.

Tim Pool (40:04)

It's important.

E (40:05)

I am willing to pay $4 a gallon. Hell, I'll pay 4. $15 a gallon because I drive a Tesla.

Tim Pool (40:13)

You do, Stephen, you drive a Tesla? Oh, no. But it was a clean conscience you said, right? You have a clean conscience driving a Tesla. It's a cult. And I think, I think that proves it to everybody. Do you think that Colbert sold his Tesla? I don't think so.

Ian Crossland (40:29)

I wonder.

Peter St. Ange (40:31)

The mother came up with new messaging and boy, you gotta. And you have to move fast, you know. You saw what happened to J.K. rowling, right? Lifetime member of the cult in good standing. Every single opinion. Check that box. One opinion off, you're done.

Phil Labonte (40:47)

One opinion off. That is, that is just as simple as men are men and women are women.

Tim Pool (40:53)

Yeah, but, but, But I think J.K. rowling specifically was like, we shouldn't have men in female prisons. Yeah, I think that was the first issue that you brought up. She's like, wow, a man and a man was placed in a female prison. And that, that's scary. And then they, they went after her for it.

Phil Labonte (41:10)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (41:10)

And then someone put up a billboard that said I heart J.K. rowling. And they called it hate speech and took it down, which is insane. And then Billboard Chris explained how famously he in Canada did the same thing and they called it hate speech and took it down.

Peter St. Ange (41:21)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (41:22)

Just saying I heart J.K. rowling. Yeah, well, don't watch Harry Potter on what is coming hbo. I heart Jake. I heard their race swapping Snape. Anyway, so I will not be watching it.

Ian Crossland (41:32)

It's wild that they're remaking remake.

Tim Pool (41:34)

Well, I mean bro, it's been 20 something. It's been 20 years, hasn't it?

Phil Labonte (41:37)

Wow.

Tim Pool (41:38)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (41:38)

I can't even believe that you're old Phil. I don't want to talk the book.

Ian Crossland (41:43)

When I was working at ground zero in 9 11, that's when I got into Harry Potter.

Phil Labonte (41:47)

I was an actual adult when Harry Potter came out, and it was 20 years ago.

Tim Pool (41:50)

I was a small child.

Ian Crossland (41:52)

I thought Colbert. I don't normally talk crap about people, particularly behind their back. It's things I wouldn't say to their face. I've had it out. Not out for this guy. He's such a waste of talent. He is just garbage performance. Like this guy, since his Colbert Report would just say fake stuff, he would just lie to people. But it was in the guise of comedy. Like they act like they're news agents and then they, in one but one sentence, they'll just lie. And it's supposed. But it's okay because I'm a comedian, so I'm allowed to lie to you.

Tim Pool (42:20)

The clarification is the setup to the joke is implied to be the truth, and the punchline is implied to be the lie. But they will lie in the setup as if they're telling you the truth. So on the Daily Show a few weeks ago with the gutting of usaid, the setup for the joke is today. You know, Elon Musk went into the USAID and began firing lots of people, cutting foreign aid to developing nations. And then blah, blah, joke. And you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. That first part's not true. They treat it like an actual news story. So you think it's true. That's the manipulation you started off with.

Ian Crossland (42:55)

Our co President Elon Musk. Not true. I don't know why you said that. It's not funny. People didn't even know if they were supposed to laugh.

Tim Pool (43:02)

They all like, I can understand what you're saying on that, but that's not nearly as egregious as how Colbert will be like, take a look at this. Here's a news clipping in a report, and he's lying to America about it. That the purpose of the joke after the fact is to cover up the fact that he just gave you fake news. Because then when they're called out on it, he goes, it was a joke. And then they go, yeah, it was. It was a joke. You're so dumb.

Ian Crossland (43:31)

That's it, man. I got, I've had problems with this guy since 2006. I made a YouTube video right at him in 2006, being like, you are a fake piece.

Tim Pool (43:39)

I showed him.

Ian Crossland (43:39)

It's. I, I was like, you know what? I don't even care if people see my stuff. I put that energy out into the universe and they feel it because those.

Tim Pool (43:45)

Vibrations, they, they get.

Phil Labonte (43:46)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (43:46)

And other people see it and the ripples through Kevin. Seven steps of Kevin Bacon. Everyone knows Kevin Bacon through seven people. Yeah, that he felt that six. But I was tired of that Colbert crap. He's a junk artist, man. That guy is fake. As.

Phil Labonte (44:00)

I just, I mean, he was his, his. He was always doing a shtick, right? He was, he was an actual liberal or leftist. Well, liberal. Playing a conservative. That was his shtick. Like, it was. He was making a. Like Stephen Colbert when he had the Colbert Report. It was like it was a joke. He wasn't actually a conservative. He was mocking. He was, you know, lampooning conservatives. And so it was a, you know, it was a character he was playing. Now it's less so. Like he's not really playing a character anymore. He's not really the same, you know, doing the lampoon thing. He's just being more.

Ian Crossland (44:34)

Just lying to people for real.

Phil Labonte (44:36)

I mean, he's just a normal, normal. He's a normal leftist. He's not much different than Jimmy Kimmel or.

Ian Crossland (44:40)

He's manipulative as hell. That's why they put him on the Tonight Show. He would lie on the Colbert Report. He'd come out and be like, we. He'd talk about how we have to be at war in nine, 11, we gotta go. And you're like, dude, quit saying this stuff. I know, it's. It's all in just good fun, Stephen, but you know how many people are manipulated by that crap? Dude, he was thinking, he doesn't realize it.

Phil Labonte (45:00)

Like, he was thinking like. Well, the point of what he was saying was like he was playing a character. He didn't believe the things that he was saying.

Ian Crossland (45:06)

Yeah, right. So same with tonight. I'm sure he'll be like, no, no, it was just a character. When I lied to you.

Phil Labonte (45:11)

Okay, well, I'm not so sure. I don't. I can't speak for him. I don't know.

Ian Crossland (45:15)

Garbage. I, I don't. I. I don't like talking bad about people, man. Like, fix yourself, fix yourself, fix myself. That's obviously the main purpose in life, but this is sickening. This guy is just high horse crap crap talented and it pisses me off.

Tim Pool (45:29)

They're all, all of them. It is kind of crazy to see where we're going when the. When the cultural zeitgeist to the left is terrorism. This is the precursor to civil wars. Guys, I know Babalaki Che, but actually, listen, in modern civil wars, not in our civil war, media played a huge role. When there was read about the Rwandan genocide, prominent personalities who were part of one group. It was. What was the name of the group that the tootsie is? The ones who got massacred. The Hutu would constantly make jokes about violence like this. They'd be like, I mean, like it was a component of the media, that it was, it was culturally prevalent and normal among the Hutu to say the Tutsi are bad and should be wiped out and all those things. When they start going on TV and gloating and laughing about violence and terror against regular people, that's the direction we're going. And I'm sorry, there's no off ramp. Unless you go to Colbert and say, stephen, I'd like to explain to you how this is going to lead to chaos. I mean, I told this to Jack Dorsey's face and, and y'all laughed at me, but who's laughing now? Nobody, actually, because we're all terrified. But when I was on the Rogan podcast with Jack Dorsey and Vijay got it, the last one of the last things we talked about, I said, if you guys keep doing this, you are pushing this country to a civil war. And they were like, I don't know about that. A couple years later, I was like, Mike Cernovich, he was like, remember when Tim Pool warned them in 2019. It's been two years. And then all this stuff is happening. Yeah. Now it's 2025 and it's worse than we've ever seen. The swatting and the terror attacks is the worst we've seen it. They are, they. When you have the Summer of Love riots, it's bad, but it's indiscriminate. It was just leftists going crazy in their own cities. Today there were two assassination attempts on Donald Trump, technically a third, four and one, but I mean two domestic ones. And now you have directed terrorism from the left targeting conservative personalities at their homes.

Ian Crossland (47:28)

I keep thinking, I was listening to the show last night too, and I'm like, civil war? No, that's the big ask. I can't do civil war, but I can give you revolution. No, we're in a revolution, baby. We were co opted in 1913. You actually brought up the Pendleton act early 1871. That, that's when this, this coup started in the United States. And it's been 150 years that this, these bureaucracy has been in control of the United States government. It's a revolution to take the country back. That's what's happening behind the scenes right now.

Tim Pool (47:57)

It is, it's a revolution when one side takes the country back. You can argue that the election of Donald Trump is a revolution, but the issue is, what do you call it when there are two factions fighting for control of one government? That's called a civil war.

Peter St. Ange (48:11)

So, yeah, so I think they've had this kind of long march through the institutions, right? And they've been playing that year by year, generation by generation. I think a big. A big part of that has been capturing the deep state. In other words, using tax revenue to sort of create this fake left. But another big part of it, I think, has been indoctrinating the kids, right? So every generation gets lefter and lefter because of how they've used the education system. Now, I think what happened is in Covid, they saw what they thought was the opportunity of the century, that they were going to move the ball like 30 yards, right? Because, I mean, just like it was just handed to them by fate. And they launched too soon. They needed another generation or two to really completely seal the deal, to, you know, indoctrinate enough Americans so that we could never, ever get back. I think they launched too soon. And so what did that do? It got their hopes up, got them really excited. It was crazy. In 2020, like, everybody was against us, right? Like the American association of Actuaries, you know, was going on about, you know, how systemic racism is applied. You're just like, why do you have opinions on these things? You know, they were, like, just dancing that they had complete victory, and then it just vanished, Right? It just evaporated. So they are frustrated at this point. They feel like they're out of ammo. They're throwing the guns at us now. So they're desperate. So on the one hand, yes, I think they've escalated into more violence than ever. On the other hand, I think that's what's happening. They're. They. They. Their hopes got so high and they were so horribly disappointed. Now that they are desperate, it's good, because they're no longer in control, they're no longer strategic. Right. They're making mistakes, just like they made mistakes in 2020.

Ian Crossland (50:04)

Yes. And it's like an immune response, like the body has developed immunity. You don't need 100% protection to have immunity. And there's still viruses attacking organs and things, but the body's immunity has overtaken the problem, so the viruses aren't in control of the system anymore. That is what it feels like. And these acute little bouts of inflammation are, like, in my hope, it's that it is just part of the healing process. I'm, you know, the future's unwritten. Obviously we're influencing it right now.

Phil Labonte (50:32)

So do you have a sense of where this is headed? Because me and Tim, like, you know, Tim said there's, there's, you know, he, there's no off ramp. And that's something that we've been saying around here a lot. I don't see an off ramp because I don't know if you can't get people on the left to say things like, yes, it's bad for there to be terrorist activity because they believe that Donald Trump is a fascist or that these things that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are doing will somehow lead to fascism, which I don't understand how they can conceive of that. But take for, you know, take at their word that they believe that. If they believe that, then there isn't anything that's beyond the pale to do to prevent a fascist takeover. So that's part of why I don't see an offering. What's your sense of what the next year is going to bring? Or two years?

Peter St. Ange (51:26)

Yeah, I think there's always a hardcore, whether it's 5 or 20%. And those people maybe are beyond redemption, thank goodness and democracy, they don't matter. But the question is, you've got another, whatever, 20 or 30%, who are they believe in this left wing stuff just because they're fans of Jimmy Kimmel or whatever. They're not really dedicated activists. They're the ones who I think are in play. And honestly, I'm very optimistic about the trends. You know, I think that the media, the alt media is by far stronger than it's ever been. If you look back to the 1970s and 1960s, right? You had a monolithic left wing media. You didn't even have Rush Limbaugh yet, okay? You had abs0 voice from the right. The closest you had was maybe William F. Buckley. I mean, just nothing, right? And yet we fought them to a standstill. Yes, we were losing ground, but not that badly considering that we had absolutely zero voice. So I think that if you look back over the past 150 years, right, the period of left wing domination of newspapers and then TV and then radio and so on, I think that we're actually in a really, really good spot here. I was shocked that media pulled out all the stomps going into the 24 election, right? They compared him to Hitler. They, I mean, they just. Everything, they had everything in the arsenal. They were like, throw it all now. It was insane, right? And it didn't work. So I Think that's a very, very important number we continue gaining. If you look at the new media, I mean, people like us, but just, you know, you've got new guys on, on like YouTube and X all the time. These people are so much higher quality than the garbage that is being peddled. I think that what we're looking at now is that 60 people who are in their 60s or 70s, they're slowly being replaced by people who are in their 20s. Nobody in their 20s watches ABC News. No, no, I mean, like zero. Right. So the media is trending in our direction. The left had been convinced so long that time was on their side because both immigration, illegal immigration, and capturing the education system. Now when I look at media and I look at the trends in there, time is on our side. We are winning. So we're already in control. Right now. We are discovering the last Fed, like the, you know, like the last insane Japanese soldiers living in the forest at this point, these guys doing the violence, right? This is no longer controlled like mature opposition. This is desperate. So it looks bad at the moment, but I think we're actually. It's like when the fever breaks and you start healing.

Tim Pool (53:52)

Let's jump to this story from the New York Times. Musk donates to GOP members of Congress who support impeaching judges. It's a big story because all of these judges are seeking to obstruct Donald Trump's rulings. Protecting usaid, protecting federal workers, stopping deportations, and now stopping Donald Trump's banning of transgender people serving in the military. Some activists have argued, don't bother impeaching because you need 2/3 majority of the Senate. Why don't you just defund their districts with a simple majority and that'll be a major move. But as much as I can appreciate this, Musk doing this is intending to drive that story, which will hopefully empower the senators who are doing well. Charlie Kirk talked in the end of last year about going after these senators who are rhinos and are not supporting real accountability. But this goes back to the question of Donald Trump's authority and the Constitution. And as we were just talking about conflict in this country, civil war versus revolution, I would say that the conflict has reached the highest levels under Donald Trump today. But it's curious. In Trump's first term, they were accusing him of being. Him of being a Russian spy. They were imprisoning his. The people who worked with him, they were they Flynn before he even got started. They didn't put him in prison, but they ran him over. The Coals. Carter Page was run through the coals. All of these things you had. Manafort was actually charged and Politico reported that it was Ukraine who fed those documents to the US So they could go after him. Now Donald Trump is president again and they seem to be on the outs, but they are still fighting. So it may be that this is the back end of the conflict and things are going to start simmering down now that Trump is in control. Of course they're resisting. Of course there's violence and terror from the left right now, but will it actually be enough? I think it's a possibility that what we are seeing from the left is a death rattle. Certainly they are still there, but they are thrashing about in the water grasping for straws no one wants to tolerate. You know. You know, it's funny when, when we played that clip earlier in the show of Colbert saying he drives a Tesla. Many Americans drive Teslas. They have no idea what's going on with politics. They're going to walk outside and find their tires slashed or something and say, I don't understand why this is happening to me. What did I do wrong? I was told to buy an electric car, so I did. And now the left is destroying my car for having done. May be that regular people just say Trump, lock them up and then we get an end of the conflict, the federal judges lose power, Trump does what he wants and that's it.

Phil Labonte (56:22)

I don't, I'm not so, I'm not so confident of a, of a, such a rosy prediction. I think that now that, I don't think that the, that Tim's got points points. I just think that the left isn't going to go away that easy. And I think that the left in the US and generally these, these philosophies that, that people have, whether they're fully thought out or if they're just emotional inclination. I don't think that. I think they're, they're significantly part of us. Like they're the, if you're a right leaning person, I think that's a strong portion of it is because of your personality. If you're a left leaning person, I think a strong portion of it, your, of your personality. Like you know, Jordan Peterson and, and John Hype both talk about those kind of things. Peterson talks about the, the, you know, your, your, your psychology and, and height talks about the, the things that kind of lead you to have your political opinions in the, the Righteous mind. I think it's a great book and I, I think that you don't just get away from leftists. You know, I don't think that you just win and then the, the game is over, I think. And I think that that's what the left kind of thought when Barack Obama was elected. They thought that, okay, we're kind of reached an end of history point. From now on, the Republicans are going to be only a regional, you know, in the south, and they'll, they'll put up their candidate every year and every four years and every four years we're going to stomp them. We'll always win forever and we own the country now.

Peter St. Ange (57:55)

You know, so there's a fascinating book called Darwinian Politics by a guy named Paul Rubin. And he's got kind of models of what motivates right. And essentially right is focused on out group domination and the left is focused on in group domination. Both of these are very necessary in sort of a Darwinian situation because otherwise your genes are going to be eliminated.

Phil Labonte (58:19)

Sure.

Peter St. Ange (58:20)

Either by the next tribe over or by the Hawkeye, whatever, the guy who hunts well and then gets all the girls. And so we have it built in to resist in group out group. And those manifest in modern terms in the left and the right. And these are enduring.

Tim Pool (58:34)

Right.

Peter St. Ange (58:34)

You can go back to Plato and you've got an identifiable left and right. You can go back through, you know, ancient China and you've got one group that's advocating for equality and another one that's interested in, in the fitness of the group and resisting external domination. So those both exist. But I think that when we're talking about the left here as a concerning organization, that's fundamentally a hand in glove of the state. And the state, you know, of course, has common cause with socialists. Yes. It wants there to be more government power, you know, and then it hires these sort of intellectual bodyguards that it directly funds. So that I think is separate from this sort of innocent question of, you know, do we want more equality? Because those have already been resolved by classical liberalism.

Tim Pool (59:16)

Right.

Peter St. Ange (59:16)

We're all equal before the law. We all have equal rights to. You know, nobles are not supposed to be punished at different, at lighter penalties, even though they in practice are. But anyway, we've already resolved those questions largely. The question now is what about this violent hand in glove of the government? That I think is absolutely defeatable. I didn't expect Doge to uncover what it did. Right. I was thinking it would be exciting because it would lower government spending that would bend the curve on inflation. Maybe we could get rid of some regulations, we could grow the economy. So I was excited on those grounds. And once I started seeing that just the rats nest in there. But moreover, the realization that the entire violent radical left is tax funded, meaning that you can cut it off now the judges are doing, you know, of course they're going to fight that, you know, because they understand that that's, that's like their jugular. Right. That is, that is their mother's milk. That's what sustains the whole thing. But I'm much more excited now that we can crush this thing once and for all. Sure, people will be left and right, but it won't be this dangerous form.

Tim Pool (60:18)

Well, I, I, if you go back to the 90s, left and right largely agreed on everything. Yeah. And there were a couple wedge issues.

Peter St. Ange (60:24)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (60:24)

And then there were anti war people who were like the Democrats and Republicans. Completely agree. And Even into the 2000s it was still very similar. Today it is hyper polarized.

Phil Labonte (60:35)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (60:35)

9, 11.

Phil Labonte (60:36)

We'll go forward to your point. Like there was this, this hardcore band that I listened to in the 90s called Earth Crisis. And they were a straight edge hardcore band. You would think that because they were straight edge. No drugs. No. You know, you would think that they were, they were, they would be leftists and they might have considered themselves leftists, but they were absolutely and totally against abortion because it's killing to them. They were like this is killing an innocent life, you know. And there's this one song that's, that's, it's called Firestorm and it's one of the best hardcore songs ever written. But it's, it's like the, the whole point of it is, is going through town and cleaning up the drug, the, the drug addicts and the dealers and the people that are, you know, basically destroying society. Which is very, it sounds very right leaning, but they would have, they were vegans, they were straight edge, they were all about animal liberation, which are, you're, you're strongly associated with the left today. And so to Tim's point, there was a time where it wasn't so clearly left and right were so polarized. There were actually issues that someone on the right and someone on the left could agree on. Nowadays it's almost as if their, their people take their positions based on what the other other party decides.

Tim Pool (61:56)

Well, well, well, right now there are, there is America, which is post liberals, disaffected liberals, libertarians, conservatives, maga, even some neocons. And then there is the, I guess you'd call it the anti party. The liberals of this country are Literally we have no plans, we are just your opposition. So you have forces of light, creation, protection, expansion, discussion, enlightenment, and then you have forces of darkness they literally only seek to destroy. And there is no ideology backing anything they do.

Peter St. Ange (62:30)

This is. I think you're absolutely right. And you know, if you look at that sort of 1990s when we did have overlap. So let's call that Bill Clinton, right. He had a bunch of policies where relative to traditional Democrats, he was trying to swing to the center. Border security was a big issue. He wanted the culture to be more up, uplifting, not as crass and so on. But the thing is that Donald Trump is essentially Bill Clinton. Right. In other words, he is occupying that centrist space. But just like you said, so you have this massive coalition that in terms of what they've always believed in their lives, voter preferences, they're on board with Trump. That was a running joke after the election, right. Was that the Democrats won. Right. We had Tulsi and rfk. We had all these Democrats, including Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan. So I think that's absolutely true. And the left is contracting now to where it's not sort of that natural 50, 50 yard line of the population. It's like 7 or 5 or 3% sustained at this point only by corporate media and government money.

Ian Crossland (63:29)

Yeah, I don't even, I've ceded away from using left and right terms as much because since the Internet, since 911 and the Internet and movies like Zeitgeist where people learned about fractional reserve currency for the first time in their lives, they learned about what's called the military industrial complex. That wasn't like talking on CBS. Never mentioned that in the 90s no one knew that there was fiat. I didn't, was never taught that in school. It was under the radar. So we had like political differences, but we still got along. Then the, the, you still have like your anti war people. But it's just what you said. The media came in and kept brainwashing and the people that were like resistant to it were able to start thinking for themselves and they broke away and that was a great majority of the population. But there's a segment that we just watch, kept watching CBS and they're stuck in this like imperial propagandist loop of like let's fascistly control your country through banking. It's. But they don't, they, they're told like they're doing the fascist thing. Look over there and you're like, I.

Phil Labonte (64:26)

Don'T, I personally, I like when I, when I hear people talk about like controlling a country through fascist banking, I, I don't think that that, or at least I don't find that compelling. Like, I think that like, you know, equity markets and markets are good. You know, money has a value, has a value, and also there's a price to borrow money. I think interest rates shouldn't be set by the, the Federal Reserve. But I, the, the idea of, of lending money at interest, that to me, I don't have a problem with that. And I mean, and it also, it allows for, for, you know, for a lot of, of production in the economy. And I think that you would probably agree with me there, you know.

Peter St. Ange (65:01)

No, for sure. I mean, I think the objectionable part of it is the fascist or corporate sense where, you know, companies are calling the shots on this. We also fundamentally, we have a dangerous architecture in how the banks are set up, which is fractional reserve banking.

Phil Labonte (65:16)

Sure, yeah.

Peter St. Ange (65:17)

Fractional reserve banking means that the entire banking system is permanently bank run bankrupt by design. The only thing keeping us afloat is the guarantee of bailouts by the Fed or by treasury, if those are ever in danger. Which is what happened in 2008. Right? The 2008 crisis. Everybody was coasting along, doing great, right. They were massively overleveraged. They were printing money on Wall Street. They had the hookers the blow, the whole nine yards. Everything was good. And then W signaled that Lehman might not get bailed out. And holy crap, that's what set it off. Right. So we have a very dangerous system. I can see people opposing it. There was a study that 93% Americans say that they don't know anything about the Federal Reserve, which is how they like it, right? For, for all we talk about it, right. For all in our circles, it's almost like a broken record. The vast majority of people, they don't understand it, and partly they don't understand it because it's intentionally difficult to understand. It's designed that way. They like it just fine. So, yeah, I would agree the banking system is a huge problem, but there's a gulf there of explaining to people exactly why. I think that for me anyway, like the biggest entry there to explain to people why the banking system is so bad the way it is is that the Fed is effectively the venture capitalist of every new crisis, every new war, right? If you had to go the American people and you say, hey, listen, you want to screw around in Afghanistan, three and a half trillion, it's going to cost us, but that's okay because we're just going to raise your taxes. So it'll be cool. A hundred thousand per household. No way. Right? Instead, you get the Fed to float it, all right? So the Fed steps in there, it effectively finances it, buys up enough government debt that it's not going to hit the markets. You can get this through. Imagine Covid, right? So early in Covid, right, when they did the lockdowns, there was an estimate up in Canada. I was there. I was in Quebec at the time. They estimated that GDP would drop in half, which means tax revenue would drop in half, which means government spending drops in half, which means bureaucrats drop in half. Now, can you imagine an early meeting during COVID where you're the junior bureaucrat and you show up, you say, hey, I got an idea. Let's shut down everything. We'll just lay off half the government workers, right? You're done. You're done in government. You're out in Guam cleaning bathrooms. No, instead they had the Fed. So the Fed could print $6 trillion. Exactly. Finance the crisis. So the problem now is whether it's global warming, whether it's a respiratory infection, okay? Whatever the crisis is, the Fed can pump this up. And people need to understand that is the dangerous part of fiat.

Ian Crossland (67:33)

Would you consider it a monopoly?

Peter St. Ange (67:35)

Yeah, well, it's a counterfeiter. And they have legal tender laws that mandate that you have to use it if you're in the United States. So, absolutely, yeah.

Tim Pool (67:43)

You know, it's. It's. When a society is small, what is. What is the story? Basically, people had gold. Gold is heavy. It's precious metals. And I believe gold got its value largely because it's relatively scarce but malleable. So the kings could easily press them and then put the government seal on it that this is what we accept in. In as a. As a. As a currency, as legal tender. So gold was valuable. Then people started saying, gold's too heavy. I'm going to store it with a bank. The bank then issues you a banknote saying, we got gold. Eventually people are like, I'll just give you my note. You bring it to them, you get the gold. I don't want to deal with it. Then the banks realized, hey, wait a minute, they're not even trading the gold anymore. We can trade the gold behind their backs so long as we can pay. How much on average do people pull out every month? And they're like, I don't know, what, 9%? Some small number. So you mean we can trade about 90 of this gold and make loans because no one's ever going to run, put a run in the banks. Well then people ran on the banks. There was, was there one story where a guy got word in Southern California or something that the banks were shutting down and they were freezing his assets. So he got on a horse and he ran as fast as he could on horseback to a bank in a neighboring town and then got his money from that bank instead with the banknotes, some crazy stuff like that. Eventually the government went, guys, we don't even need gold. Nobody wants to carry it. Let's just get rid of it and then seize it from everybody and put it in our vault at Fort Knox.

Ian Crossland (69:08)

Hopefully. I don't even know where it is anymore.

Phil Labonte (69:10)

We need on.

Tim Pool (69:11)

So what ends up happening is now with this massive system, nobody is actually tracking the hard value behind what currency is, what it's supposed to represent, the labor, the scarcity, et cetera. And the bank, and I should say the government then realized, you guys, we can just print as much money as we want forever. And sure, inflation happens, but who cares? We get to live for free. And so we see that manifest in two ways. You get the deficit spending where the Pentagon loses, or the Pentagon can't account for something like $2 trillion in their audit. It doesn't mean the money's gone. It means they don't know how it was transferred and where it ended up. So a lot of people thought that meant $2 trillion was taken from the bank, put in someone's account. No, no, no, no. It means that they were like someone spent 50 bucks here and we don't know what it was for because the credit card transaction just says Amazon. That's when you can't account for something. The next thing that happens is the government starts issuing grant money to NGOs who then hire lawyers who live in McLean, Texas and buy $5 million mansions and don't actually do work. Now you live in the Hunger Games. People like AOC then come out and say, guys, we can literally just deficit spend. We don't need to ever balance the budget, we just need to bounce the expansion of deficit. The argument from these Democrats is if the rate of debt growth, the size of the deficit maintains a certain percentage to interest, then we are able to print money indefinitely devalue the currency, but it's stable in its devaluation. So while we would argue our currency should retain its value for the labor we do, the modern argument is so long as we can project the devaluation were fine, we just don't want to devalue Too quickly. That's where we're.

Ian Crossland (70:57)

Too much inflation too quickly would be bad for the scheme they built.

Tim Pool (71:00)

Now, we are in a system of intentional inflation.

Phil Labonte (71:03)

Well, there's, there's, there's, there's one more piece to the. The intentional inflation, the. Like, they say that it spurs people to spend money and go out and. As opposed to sitting. Sitting on the money. So I don't know how much you might have. The argument is if there's a certain low amount of inflation, people will not sit on money because things that they want to buy will be more expensive in a year. So.

Tim Pool (71:29)

And what actually is happening is the guy who lives in McLean, as I say Texas, McLean, Virginia. Sorry, I meant Virginia, he's going to get a $5 million grant. The government's going to grant his NGO 5 million bucks, and he's going to buy groceries at the end of the year. He's going to say, what was the inflation? And they're going to say it was 17%. He goes, okay, give me 5.5 million next year. You got a boss. Inflation doesn't affect the people who are skimming from the deficit. Spend.

Peter St. Ange (71:56)

Yep. Yeah. So the point you're talking about with the people need to spend it. So we need inflation. So that goes to something. So the way that government calculates the size of the economy is with gdp, and it generally presents that as if that is telling us how wealthy we are.

Ian Crossland (72:13)

Right.

Peter St. Ange (72:14)

GDP goes up means we're getting rich. GDP goes down, it means we're getting poor. GDP is not wealth. GDP is activity. It's like looking busy. Some things are, you know, useful when you're looking busy, like building a Tesla. Some things are not like digging up holes and filling them or, say, building ammunition to go launch at countries that we have no fight with. All right, and so you want to separate those two things. Right? So if you are forcing people to go spend by, you know, essentially eroding their dollar by using inflation, then, yes, they will be more busy, the GDP will go up. They will be desperate to go buy crap so that they don't lose their purchasing power, but that's actually impoverishing them. So what you'd rather do is look at the wealth. Now, this matters because right now, when we talk about what's happening with the economy, most of what Trump is doing is very, very good for, for the economy makes us rich. Cutting taxes, getting rid of red tape, regulations. Drill, baby, drill. But two of the things that he's doing will reduce GDP even as they make us rich. Those are mass deportations. And Doge. So government spending shows up as GDP because they're grading themselves, and government statisticians are making the numbers, right? So they say every dollar we spend in the government, even if it's blowing up a bridge in Ukraine and then building it again the next year in Iraq, we literally would do that, right? We BL it each time gdp, Bam. Right? And then the other one is mass deportation. So if you bring in a bunch of aliens here who say, can't read, and you give them a bunch of welfare and you put them up in expensive hotels in Roosevelt, boom, all shows up as gdp. If they steal a job for an American, again shows up as gdp because the American is getting welfare, the illegal is now earning a wage.

Phil Labonte (73:55)

Right?

Peter St. Ange (73:55)

And so you put that together, and all of it is, we're all very, very busy, okay? But we're bankrupting. And so that will be a distinction where we may well see a recession this year if Doge actually cut spending. And if we, you know, deport 2 million people, would it be smart to.

Ian Crossland (74:11)

Like, grade our gdp? Like, this is a green gdp. This is orange, this is yellow, this is red, depending on how valuable it actually is to the sustainability of the system.

Peter St. Ange (74:20)

Yeah, I mean, it's tricky, you know, because you'd have to dig in and be like, you know, how much are church services worth? Or, you know, the simple way to do it, which both Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard liked, is just separate takeout government from GDP. Doesn't count. Chicago Public Schools have something like a 20% literacy rate on the kids. They graduate, they spend $28,000 a year. I would argue that's not GDP. That's destruction. You took perfectly good kids and perfectly good buildings, and you. Right. The Soviet Union did that, by the way. They would make furniture. They would take timber that had actual value. They could have exported it to Germany. It had value, and they turned it into furniture that was so garbage that they actually remove value. So the simple answer is just take. Take government out, subtract it from gdp, and just look at private sector gdp. At that point, you're relying on people's willingness to buy the product to tell you whether it was valuable or not. You're not making any more judgment on that. And the reason you don't want to make judgments is because, fundamentally, Trump will not be in power forever. Deep state bureaucrats will control how all these statistics are calculated. So you want to keep it as clean as possible.

Ian Crossland (75:25)

What about, like, NGOs, would that be considered GDP?

Phil Labonte (75:29)

Not if they're funded by the government.

Peter St. Ange (75:30)

Yeah, it's tricky. It's debatable. I mean, they're not producing final goods and services, but it depends how you define it. So, yeah, that would be a gray area.

Ian Crossland (75:40)

You. You classified the Federal Reserve as a counterfeiting system.

Peter St. Ange (75:45)

Absolutely. 100.

Ian Crossland (75:46)

Why is that?

Peter St. Ange (75:47)

That's always been the deal with central banking, is that some hustler shows up and tells the government, hey, listen, I'm going to finance your debt, and in exchange, I want to license to counterfeit money. That is the fundamental deal. Ever since the bank of Amsterdam, which predated the bank of England, bank of Sweden. Those were the early ones, and the Fed was actually late to the game. That is the fundamental deal. We finance you in exchange for a license to print money. Now, about a quarter of the money that's printed in the U.S. in other words, a quarter of the inflation comes from that. The Fed, essentially, they sit in a basement, they type ones and zeros in an Excel sheet. They say, this is money. And then they go and buy stuff. That is how the money gets born. That's about a quarter of inflation. The other three quarters of inflation is the fractional reserve banking we were talking about, which is where banks literally, like when you go for a bank loan, if you go to get a mortgage, the bank will tell you, you have to open an account in this bank. You say, why is that? Right. Why can't you just send me the money in my other bank? Well, the reason is because they are creating the bank, the money from thin air. So they create the money, and then traditionally they have to put a certain amount in reserve. Tim was talking about 9%. It was something like that. But they actually got rid of that during COVID And so at this point, a bank can, in principle, they did bring it back.

Tim Pool (77:02)

I'm pretty sure they brought it back because we've covered it quite a bit.

Peter St. Ange (77:05)

Okay.

Tim Pool (77:05)

When Covid started, they removed the fractional reserve limit. It used to be that a bank can only lend out up to 90%, I think was 90% of their holdings, which meant that money was created upon the issuance of debt. A bank has a million dollars, they can issue 900,000 in loans. They're not giving $900,000 in cash. They're creating a debt.

Ian Crossland (77:27)

So they have 19, 1.9 million. They go from 1 million, they can load out 900,000, but they have to print that 900,000 first.

Tim Pool (77:32)

It's created digitally.

Ian Crossland (77:33)

And then once they have 19, 1.9million, they can take 90% of that number, too. So what does that inflate?

Tim Pool (77:40)

A bank has a million bucks, they give you a loan for 900,000, which creates the currency for the purchase of a building. That person sells the building, the guy who gets the cash goes, whoopee, goes to that bank and gives the 900,000 to them. They now have 1.9. Now they have 1.9. They can issue another loan for 90% of that. And so it goes on.

Peter St. Ange (77:59)

Yep. So it's one over the number. And so I can get 10, 50.

Tim Pool (78:03)

100 times during COVID they removed the limit and said, you can loan as much as you want whenever you want.

Ian Crossland (78:08)

Do you think I'm kind of all about the repeal the Federal Reserve act of 1913, investigate the Fed, audit the Fed. Ron Paul is big on it. I think Trump loves the idea, but it's like, okay, there are many hornets nests. That one's pretty big.

Tim Pool (78:23)

What would that look like? Well, look at what's going on with usaid. Trump kicked a small source of, actually, I'd say a large source of funding. We found that we had that $375 billion EPA slush fund that Zeldin found, and there was $20 billion going to climate change NGOs, one of which was formed like the month prior and then received a multi billion dollar award. Yet nobody believes that's that's real. Now go take a look at the Fed and good luck.

Peter St. Ange (78:51)

Yeah, I think there's a very good chance they're going to audit it. And if they do, you know, what we've seen with Doge so far is just the ammunition is amazing. Like the kinds of fines you find.

Tim Pool (79:01)

Let me simplify for everybody. Me, it's hard to understand the Fed. How can the average person grasp this? Here you go. Imagine there was a group of individuals who did not do any work, and they were wealthier than you to like the tune of 10,000 1 million percent plus. You work every day, you break your back, you struggle to buy groceries for your kids. And there's a guy who lives in McLean, Virginia, sitting around, who makes $13 million a year and literally does not work because he's part of the machine that was built to steal from you. Literally. The Hunger Games, they live in the Capitol. They don't have to work. They get to be millionaires, they get to be billionaires, and they don't do anything. The Fed is basically a way to control that money for nobility, and the peasants and the peons have to work for the rest.

Ian Crossland (79:46)

I thought the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 was the beginning of the coup, you said. No, no, no. It was the pendleton act, potentially 1871. What was that? What happened?

Peter St. Ange (79:54)

So the Pendleton act was the first attempt to create a professional bureaucracy and it was pushed through by the left and they were attacking government corruption. Government is always corrupt. Newsflash. No matter who runs it, no matter how you structure it, government is one. It is, it is a fact of the universe. And so they use government corruption to install this system where the bureaucracy was in theory going to be independent, it was going to be independent of the President and in theory of Congress. The problem is that. But once you do that, you are making it independent of the voters, because the only influence that voters have over the government is through the President and through Congress. So if you've made the bureaucracy independent, you've made it independent from voters. Meaning who exactly does it serve? And we now know who it serves, which is that it serves itself. And it develops relationships with golden parachutes with all kinds of outside organizations, then does favors for them and they either give them money while they're in office or they wait until they're out of office. You know, the sort of stereotypical SEC commissioner who goes and has lunch with Goldman Sachs and they discuss what his career objectives are in the future. Right. And so that was really the bureaucratic coup. And that was, I think it was 1871 or 73, and then it built up over time. And that then created this sort of outside organization that was permanently pushing to grow the government. So once we had the Pendleton act before then it kind of zigged and it zagged. The government got bigger, it got smaller, got bigger, smaller. Generally wars made it bigger. And then there'd be reaction to that. Andrew Jackson was the classic. He absolutely shrunk the government massively. He fired something like, I think he fired about 10% of bureaucrats. And he told the rest of them, get in line or you'll be next. Right. That was about 1830. So that was before Pendleton. He also closed the central bank, by the way, the Fed at the time, the so called second bank of the United States.

Phil Labonte (81:43)

Awesome.

Peter St. Ange (81:44)

So you had these zigs and these zags. Once you got Pendleton at that point, it was a treadmill, only one direction, up and up.

Ian Crossland (81:49)

Who got put into the power of the bureaucracy when Pendleton got signed?

Peter St. Ange (81:54)

I think the year during that period, Republicans, which were the left wing party, they were the party of government. They generally dominated. It was post Civil War and so they had disenfranchised A lot of Southern states which were traditionally Democratic, so they kind of had a lock on power and that's why they put it in because they were sort of institutionalizing that pro government power that at the time the Republicans were doing. Now the handicapping, the Democrats turn out to be so successful that the Democrat Party essentially gave up and just became a super Republican party, which is how we got two left wing parties.

Tim Pool (82:28)

We're going to jump to this next story from the New York Times to change the subject. A hard segue, as it were. But we'll come back to that in a minute. Ben and Jerry's accuses Unilever of firing its CEO for political reasons. Ben and Jerry said in a court filing its parent company had ousted its chief executive, David Stever without approval from the ice cream makers board. Well, Ben and Jerry's used to be great. I remember when I was a kid and Cherry Garcia was becoming popular, everybody loved that weird flavors you didn't normally get and they were very delicious. And now all of a sudden it is the cringiest of cringe cult garbage. And you've got these billboards. I know my rights. Colin Caper. Nick's changed the world. Indeed. So the long story short, the CEO was fired and the the individuals at Ben and Jerry's say that they that part of the agreement with the sale was that they would be continued to engage in their social mission of the company. Apparently Unilever doesn't like it and so now they're being sued. They're accused of firing the CEO because he allowed the ice cream maker to speak out on political issues. In a filing, Ben and Jerry said Unilever had fired David Stever because his commitment to his company's social mission rather than his job performance. He has held to the ice cream company's top job since 2023. We don't buy Ben and Jerry's anymore because they're psychotic. It's an insane company. Um, but I do find this to be absolutely hilarious in that it epitomizes meritocracy versus ideology. Ben and Jerry's I can only assume is hurting. If Unilever would violate their contract and fire the guy knowing they were going to get into a lawsuit. I have to imagine if your company prioritizes social issues over a product that is you're an activist, nonprofit and not a for profit ice cream maker, you are going to lose money. And here we are. So I guess what I can say is woke is broke. Another victory. And this is the other side of the Bud Light. Coin or the other side of the Bud Light hill. Bud Light got woke. They felt that burn really bad. Now on the corporate side of things, they're saying, purge the woke and get it out.

Phil Labonte (84:37)

I mean, you do have a product that you have to sell. And the way that Ben and Jerry's behaves makes it clear that to at least a third of the country, they don't want you to buy their product. And I mean, look, ice cream is, is an everybody thing. I love ice cream, right? Like, I don't think there are a lot of people that don't love ice cream. And to just be like, oh, well, we don't want you, you know, selling, buying our product or, or to be so inundated with, with the social issues, it's got to hurt business.

Peter St. Ange (85:08)

So. So this goes back to. At the top, we were talking about the terrorism against Tesla and in. In BLM as well. And I think that we are absolutely. This is going to be a trend now where companies are going to get back to basics. Traditionally, in this country, companies did not get involved in politics because why piss off, Pretty much Republicans buy shoes too.

Phil Labonte (85:28)

Right?

Peter St. Ange (85:28)

Exactly right. Like on, you know, on, like Israel, Palestine, you are going to offend half your audience. So just stay out of it. And that was the traditional wisdom. But I think companies could not do that because of intimidation by the left. And a lot of that was regulatory intimidation. So in a lot of these businesses, especially in media, you can't piss off your regulator. And once the left locked hands with regulators, a lot of these companies had to do what they did. So now that you've got the government pressure coming off, the activist pressure coming off, now they can actually look again at the bottom line. And, you know, you look at a company like Disney and that is just suicidal what they've done. They know who their audience is. They're not that dumb. I mean, any of us know who their audience is.

Phil Labonte (86:11)

Part of me thinks that Disney did the things they did because they believed that they had more influence than they do.

Tim Pool (86:18)

I think it is. My prediction with the Bud Light story was that we were going to find out it was going to be some millennial woman who had just gotten promoted to the position, who changed their policy from frat bro to feminist lesbian. And what did we discover? Indeed, it was a millennial liberal woman who recently got a promotion and said, no more fat white guys buying and drinking beer at the grill. We want trans people.

Ian Crossland (86:45)

Said we want young drinkers, was what she said. That was crazy. Young drink.

Tim Pool (86:49)

That's true. But they're probably attracting a new audience with Dylan Mulvaney and boy, did that really destroy the company. Because it turns out that even 20 year old people would much prefer a beer commercial where, where a guy is flipping a burger as opposed to Dylan Mulvaney like hitting a baseball.

Ian Crossland (87:04)

I mean, something.

Peter St. Ange (87:06)

So. So I used to teach MBA marketing. Right. And it's like marketing 101 is you have to love your customer just the way they are. You don't fix them, you don't change them, you don't lecture them. Because if you do that, they're going to find another boyfriend. Right. They're going to go find somebody else who produces a product that is catered for them. And so corporate America, it's taken them a while. I think another element of that has been the sort of shareholder advisory services, which is this way that WOKE can sort of insert itself into the financial system and force companies to do weird things like, you know, like Disney doing this or like Exxon doing green energy or just bizarre things. But fundamentally I think that finally they're waking up, they're shaking out of this. You have to love your customers just the way they are.

Phil Labonte (87:51)

Yeah. I mean, you can't, you can't think that you're going to dictate opinions to your customers. You have to go to people where they are.

Tim Pool (87:59)

Yeah, but take a look at Ben and Jerry's. It's always been a leftist company. I'd argue that their leadership was probably just saying we've always been a progressive company, we're always going to be. So we just go with that trend. But I think as it turns out, what is perceived to be their customer is incorrect and people want to buy ice cream and it's off putting when they engage in these kind of practices.

Peter St. Ange (88:21)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (88:21)

To be fair though, actually it's probably unfair. They made AmeriCone dream Stephen Colbert's waffle fudge ice cream or whatever. That's just a late night host. And then they Didn't Jimmy Kimmel get one that was weird with potato chips or something like that?

Phil Labonte (88:34)

I think so.

Tim Pool (88:34)

Potato chips are good. Colin Kaepernick was just really off. But I do feel like they thought they were targeting progressives and they were a social mission company.

Peter St. Ange (88:44)

They probably have their core audience, which is those progressives and they have a whole bunch of people who just eat it because it tastes good and they don't care about the politics and they were losing them.

Tim Pool (88:52)

I think these companies thought WOKE was mainstream maybe. Yeah. And that's why Target put the LGBT tuck, friendly bathing suits up in the front where kids would see it. And then parents freaked out and they were like, oh, man, was that not the right thing to do? As the woke began to dominate media, they created a perception that they were the majority and most people were scared to speak up out of fear of getting canceled. You know what's really fascinating about this ideology of wokeness? Two points. The reason why I think Gen Z is going to break from the left is that you take a look at the Teslas. This is not so much about Gen Z. This is more about regular, you know, millennials or whatever. We were all told to buy electric cars. Colbert got one. Two years later, they're torching them, shooting at them. So that was a mistake. We were all told we were allowed to make certain jokes. Sarah Silverman lost a movie role because she did blackface at a time when it was totally appropriate to do. Jimmy Kimmel did blackface. Why was she being targeted? What I see what is likely to happen now is the young kids, the Gen zers, who grew up in an era where you could not know what was socially acceptable or not. And you were constantly threatened. You were living like an. Like a rabbit wound up so tight you could burst at any moment. They are going to find reprieve in people like Donald Trump and people on the right who are just like, bro, I don't care what you call me. You can say. You can say gay and you can say retarded, and people are going to be like, I can relax now. I think young people are going to move in that direction. That's not to mention, I do want to stress this too, because we didn't get in the Harry Sisson story, but Harry Sisson, of course, was, according to the left, preying upon young women viciously. This. This liberal young man, this Democrat, was praying like a merciless predator. These poor young women say priests. And right now there was a. There's a story that we covered a while ago, but it's going viral again. About half of young men 18 to 25 have never approached a woman or in the last year have not approached a woman. Somewhere around, like, a third of those guys have never done it, and most haven't done it in a year. Nobody wants to live that way. Nobody wants to live that way. And that's the world created by woke. Harry Sisson is under fire right now because he was. He was sexting a bunch of different women at the same time while claiming he wasn't. So he was playing these women and A bunch of people on the right are like, donate to play your man. It's what young men do. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. This guy would likely advocate for you to be imprisoned if you were caught doing these things. He'd say, these predators should have. Should, should be canceled and banned. And then behind the scenes, he's doing exactly what he claims to not do. He tweets about, oh, no, the country is abandoning women and women's rights. And then while he's advocating for these feminist ideals, of course he is anything but people like him create this world young, young people don't want to live in. So I think we're gonna see a snap back, and I think that's what you see with Donald Trump being the first Republican to win the popular vote in 20 years. Ben and Jerry's firing their CEO is the other side of the Bud Light hill. We were fighting like crazy. Bud Light went woke, and we said, enough. Kid Rock unloaded a full auto machine gun on that Bud Light, and everybody rallied around it. Ditched Bud Light. To this day, surprisingly, yeah, it's maintained, and they've struggled to recover. This was an attack on a market attack on this corporation for being woke. Now, on the other side of this, the corporations are abandoning WOKE intentionally because they see the writing on the wall. Nobody wants to live in that world. And I think it's going to fade away, but we'll see. You know, a drowning person is dangerous, right? When they say, when you're going to go rescue someone, John, you got to go behind them. Otherwise they'll thrash at you and drag you down with them. So as the woke gets smothered out of existence, I'm. I'm wondering to what degree they may weather underground or. Or worse. I mean, they already are.

Phil Labonte (92:44)

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I don't have a sense of. Of the levels of violence that they'll resort to, but they clearly will resort to violence.

Peter St. Ange (92:54)

Well, thank goodness we have this massive military where, you know, Trump is already bringing them back for the border, and, you know, that's an open question, is declaring martial law in some of these cities if things get too violent. So fundamentally, normally, I criticize the massive size of our military, but in this case, you know, if you want to dance, go for it, fellas.

Phil Labonte (93:14)

It is worth noting that, like, during the time that the Weather Underground was really active, the economy was kind of crap. The 70s were, you know, a lost decade. You know, the economy was garbage. If Trump's economic plans do work the way that he says they will. And we have a resurgence of productivity in this country and we have an economic boom. A lot of the people that are PO'd and, and look at the US and say capitalism sucks and it's not fair and blah, blah, they'll have opportunities that they don't have right now and that will fix a lot of the problems.

Peter St. Ange (93:51)

And that goes to what Tim was talking about. Gen X or Gen Z. Gen Z is an almost perfect, you know, copy of Gen X, like the entire origin story here.

Tim Pool (94:02)

Right.

Peter St. Ange (94:02)

You had the crappy 70s, you had the crappy. All this stuff that happened the last couple of years by inflation and the COVID and the violence and all this. And you know, if we could see Gen Z be like a super version of X. I think the other key here is that when Reagan won office, the media were savage to him. I mean they were just as bad as they are to Trump now. They compared them to Hitler. They said he was going to start World War iii just down the line. He was racist, he hated gays. I mean every single one. Because they just play that on repeat every single time. How many states did he win in, in re election?

Phil Labonte (94:36)

48. Yeah, I think it was 48.

Peter St. Ange (94:38)

Right. So it doesn't work. And I think particularly when you, when you parrot, you know, having gone through the valley of darkness and then coming out into the light, I think Gen Z may be, I mean already like Trump was within five points on Gen Z, Something like that.

Phil Labonte (94:53)

Yeah.

Peter St. Ange (94:53)

Just crazy for young people, right? Traditional. That's like 20 points. So I have great hopes for Gen Z.

Ian Crossland (94:58)

What do you say? Five points in what way? What happened?

Peter St. Ange (95:00)

He, he in the election, he was within 5 points in the vote among 20 something.

Ian Crossland (95:06)

Oh, so he took 45% essentially.

Peter St. Ange (95:08)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (95:08)

I agree with you on this.

Peter St. Ange (95:09)

47.

Ian Crossland (95:10)

This Gen Z revolution, it does feel like the 80s. It feels like they had to suffer through hairspray, big hair, ugly looking makeup and not understanding why they're not attracted to those girls, but being told they're supposed to be. And then all of a sudden the Internet appears and they're like, whoa, whoa, manipulation. It's different for them because they had the Internet the entire time and they were. But so that manipulation has, is just seed. I mean the grossness and it stays with you your entire life when you've been tricked by being told like blackface is okay. No, blackface is not okay. Be afraid. No, no, no. You deal with that maybe three times and then if you see a group of people that aren't into it you're with that group.

Tim Pool (95:48)

It's kind of wild that we grew up on Jackass.

Phil Labonte (95:51)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (95:51)

CKY videos. Everybody was watching Johnny Knoxville punch Bam Barger in the balls. George Carlin was going up on stage in the early 90s, and he has a bit that he famously did in his comedy special in his tours, where he would say every possible racial slur he could think of as fast as he could, and then called two prominent black comedians the N word.

Ian Crossland (96:12)

One of the best comedians of all time.

Tim Pool (96:14)

Indeed. And south park and Family Guy. And we somehow ended up in this world. Well, we're coming out the other side of it, so that. That's good.

Ian Crossland (96:21)

Yeah. I do believe that's why I bring up this term revolution a lot. And I. I started it in 06, 2006. It's a revolution of the mind is what I said. That's also what Chairman Mao said. So I'm glad I didn't take the cult forward that way. But we are in a global revolution. It is a seizure of the mind of the human race. Right now, people are scrambling and trying to control the system. And I think this decentralized motive of. Of Internet has a. Like, allowed us to actually thrive as a species in a way maybe we've never done before as human.

Peter St. Ange (96:48)

A probably the closest analog is Gutenberg, the rise of movable text.

Tim Pool (96:55)

Right.

Peter St. Ange (96:55)

So this back in the 1400s. And the reason is, before then, you had to have a bunch of monks writing out books by hand. After Gutenberg, you could print up 10,000 pamphlets calling for a peasant revolt. Right. So you had this fundamental transfer of power from the center with the standing armies to the people. Traditionally, the people had a hard time organizing. Okay. But there were a lot more of them. Right. They outnumbered the center. And so we then had 200 years of blood. So hopefully we don't actually get that part of it. But the point is, I think the Internet is a Gutenberg 2.0. Right. This fundamental shift of power from the center to the edges. That's why they went straight for the censorship. That's why it was so important to them.

Ian Crossland (97:36)

Yeah. With the Gutenberg press, they. I think it was Queen Elizabeth instantiated copyright. That was how it came about. Didn't exist before. And they realized, oh, we need to control this tech somehow.

Peter St. Ange (97:46)

That. That was also the origins of the postal system. So the reason for post offices was to censor. Specifically, you had to intercept that kind of communication because it could spread riots or peasant revolts. So the entire function of the post office is to read your mail and then consider arresting you.

Ian Crossland (98:02)

And then it's, when did that get changed? In theory? When did that supposedly.

Peter St. Ange (98:07)

Yeah, maybe it will be something then.

Ian Crossland (98:09)

You know, you got email and they were like, yeah, we're track the emails, etc.

Tim Pool (98:12)

Etc.

Ian Crossland (98:12)

So it's a similar.

Peter St. Ange (98:14)

Yeah, right. So government created a monopoly. It would make it illegal for you to pay private people to go carry mail because traditionally you would just, you know, you would just leave your mail with some merchant who's going town from town to town. Right. And instead the government came in and said, no, no, you can't do it anymore. Now you have to use the government version.

Ian Crossland (98:31)

Okay. Which maybe not as nefarious as it seems. You know, I mean, I think some.

Peter St. Ange (98:35)

Of the intended purpose was because the government wanted to read your correspondence.

Ian Crossland (98:40)

It's pretty crazy. I, I'm always with this balance of order and chaos. And like, you need a little chaos. Otherwise the ordered system can become viral, like infected. And then there's no way to, to prevent the infection because the system's got too much fluidity in it. You need corruption to, to break up the infection.

Tim Pool (98:54)

Let's, let's, let's play this video real quick. I don't know how much time we have left before we go to super chats, but watch this. Do we have audio on this? We do. This is Boston Dynamics Atlas robot. And I think we predicted this already. We're a year away from this thing walking around carrying your groceries for you.

Phil Labonte (99:12)

Yep.

Ian Crossland (99:13)

Is he heel stomping just then when he ran or was he running on his toes?

Phil Labonte (99:16)

Watch this.

Tim Pool (99:16)

Watch. It is crawling.

Ian Crossland (99:22)

That looks like a human, bro.

Phil Labonte (99:23)

It's not. It gets better.

Tim Pool (99:30)

Shoulder roll.

Peter St. Ange (99:34)

Jeez.

Tim Pool (99:37)

I'm telling you, it's a, it's a year or two and you're gonna see this walking down the street carrying a bag of groceries and pulling a cart.

Peter St. Ange (99:42)

Oh, jeez.

Tim Pool (99:45)

Oh, here we go.

Phil Labonte (99:46)

This is crazy. It's break dancing.

Tim Pool (99:51)

I, I, I, I said it before. Oh, a cartwheel. I'll say. I said, I'll say it again. I am mostly excited about running full speed in a dark alley with a, with a group of others, being chased by these robots after the AI Apocalyptic takeover and then being forced to fight them.

Ian Crossland (100:08)

I mean, you, we've said a lot that you can't hold a street corner with drones, but these dudes with an.

Phil Labonte (100:12)

M16, you can hold the street corner with a robot that that's, I mean, it wouldn't be holding an, it just be mounted.

Tim Pool (100:19)

Isn't it funny that like in Terminator we gave them skulls with like bare teeth. Like. Or did the robots do that on purpose? I think they just.

Ian Crossland (100:25)

They were supposed to look like people and then the robots were like dispense with skinned. Let's just go after them.

Tim Pool (100:29)

Well, look what we're doing now. It looks more like that thing from that, that Ant man movie.

Phil Labonte (100:35)

Yeah, I mean the funny, you know.

Tim Pool (100:36)

You know, it's really creepy. See the head? That's not the head.

Phil Labonte (100:41)

The head's in the chest.

Tim Pool (100:42)

Yeah, that's right.

Phil Labonte (100:43)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (100:43)

Yep. It's like an. It's like. So when you meet the animatronic woman and she looks at you and she's like, hey, Ian. And you're looking in her eyes. It's. It's more like looking at an angler fish. You know, it's got that weird little light on its head, attracts the prey. You're looking into the eyes of the robot and its head's actually in its chest and the demon is staring at you and it's dangling this woman's face in front of you to convince you to give up everything for it.

Phil Labonte (101:05)

And these, these kind of robots, like, they're not that far away from being something that you can purchase.

Tim Pool (101:13)

You can buy them now.

Phil Labonte (101:14)

Well, I mean, I mean, I mean like, like the middle class or middle upper class family could purchase one.

Ian Crossland (101:19)

Right.

Phil Labonte (101:20)

And the only thing that's preventing it now is the AI.

Tim Pool (101:23)

Right.

Phil Labonte (101:23)

So these are pro. These are all program movements.

Tim Pool (101:26)

$21,000.

Phil Labonte (101:27)

That, that one.

Tim Pool (101:29)

Let me, let me pull up the website. Robo store.

Ian Crossland (101:32)

They just keep getting cheaper.

Phil Labonte (101:33)

Well, they're going to. The point is, should we buy one?

Tim Pool (101:36)

Yeah, I don't know if I want to spend that much money.

Phil Labonte (101:38)

Yeah, I don't know, but that's like.

Tim Pool (101:39)

That, that's like half of like half of a.

Ian Crossland (101:42)

So salary.

Tim Pool (101:44)

Well, hey, to be fair, if this guy can clean the floors, I mean he could. Do you see the video of the atlas vacuuming? Yeah, it's stupid. Sorry. My. I got a Roomba and my cat can ride on it. I don't need to buy a guy to vacuum formula me, but take a look at this. Here you go. They already got them for sale. Add to cart and man that chat GPT.

Ian Crossland (102:05)

Like you're saying you onboard that intelligence?

Phil Labonte (102:07)

Well, they're, they're working on right now, they're working on agentic AI. So AI that can do specific things. You don't need a universal or general artificial intelligence to be like a helper around the house. Right? You need one that can do a handful of specific things, can navigate the world. Your house, can pick up your laundry, can sweep or mop or whatever, can put your dishes away without smashing them, can carry things for you. But you don't need to have general.

Tim Pool (102:35)

No, I, I65,000 for the high end version.

Ian Crossland (102:39)

Get it? No. I don't know. Maybe.

Tim Pool (102:41)

Oh, yeah, you got it.

Peter St. Ange (102:42)

Like, will it fold laundry? This is like the one thing that I really wanted to do.

Phil Labonte (102:46)

That's the thing. Once you, once it can do a narrow group of specific tasks. Once the, then AI can do that and you know, just, just navigate the house, then it's like, all right, do you want to spend $35,000 on this, which is the cost of a car, but never have to do laundry and chores again?

Peter St. Ange (103:06)

For, for parents, especially if you have kids at home. I mean, you're spending two hours plus per day on various household crap. Right? So if this thing can do the.

Ian Crossland (103:16)

Food, the cleaning, it's like buying a tractor if you're a farmer.

Tim Pool (103:19)

Here's the video.

Phil Labonte (103:20)

But yeah, exactly.

Tim Pool (103:24)

I, I can't imagine the thing's gonna be anywhere near as good as the Atlas. So why would you spend 40 grand on it?

Phil Labonte (103:28)

Oh, probably not.

Ian Crossland (103:29)

What's the difference of the.

Phil Labonte (103:31)

This is, this is a Chinese company.

Ian Crossland (103:33)

Okay, well, we gotta buy American. We can't buy Chinese droids.

Phil Labonte (103:36)

I mean, the Tesla's making the one right now.

Tim Pool (103:39)

Show me a video of this. Optimus, what can this thing do? Like, advertise it?

Peter St. Ange (103:44)

It can dance. There's apparently a video of it dancing to this thing. Hong Kong.

Tim Pool (103:49)

Oh, there you go. Look it.

Phil Labonte (103:50)

Oh, whoa, whoa.

Tim Pool (103:51)

Wait a minute. You can remote control this guy? Yeah, Joystick.

Ian Crossland (103:57)

That's kind of cool. If you mount a webcam on its face and then you are kind of playing a game through it of like, clean up my house. And you like go and you grab the laundry and you use your controller and your mouse. This is put the laundry in the bucket game.

Tim Pool (104:11)

To shake hands.

Ian Crossland (104:12)

You need to make a video game game. That, that is the character. You're seeing the game the world through, and it's an actual real life.

Tim Pool (104:18)

This can't do anything. This robot can't do anything. It literally can't do anything.

Ian Crossland (104:22)

What I want. You said AGI. You don't need AGI in these things. I agree. I think initially they just want them to do menial tasks. But I, I want my Amazon Alexa thing. Sorry, Alexa, stop if you're hearing me. But like, I want that thing to answer my questions. I want it to be an AI and it's not yet. Which is like really weird cuz I'll talk to it.

Phil Labonte (104:37)

It will be soon.

Peter St. Ange (104:38)

Okay.

Tim Pool (104:38)

There.

Peter St. Ange (104:38)

So you train it like you put it on a record mode and then you do some movement. Then it copies you.

Tim Pool (104:45)

There's no way this is a real.

Peter St. Ange (104:46)

Yes, that was the video that I saw on it. But that's the general principle they're doing with robots now. Like Baxter is an industrial robot and you do it once, Baxter watches you and it imitates you for an industrial setting or for folding laundry. That's all you have to do. Yeah, it just watches you.

Phil Labonte (105:04)

And again this stuff is the, it's a couple years away from being able to be, you know, put out for people to actually use and be functional. But once it is, the market is going to explode because everybody wants again. It's one of those things where like if you're, you know, I mean there's. There are multiple millions of families in the US that could afford $20,000, which boils 20 to $30,000, which boils down to 750amonth for you know, 36 months.

Peter St. Ange (105:35)

Yeah.

Phil Labonte (105:35)

You know, because they'll, you'll pay. They'll be, they'll be just like cars. You'll finance it, banks will love it.

Tim Pool (105:41)

So like there's this one's a hundred thousand dollars.

Peter St. Ange (105:44)

Check out the video of this one going through the forest. It's absolutely insane. They might not have it here. You can probably find on people.

Ian Crossland (105:51)

You got to realize this, if you're concerned about privacy, how scary would it.

Tim Pool (105:56)

Be to be chased by privacy?

Phil Labonte (105:57)

You don't have a cell phone.

Tim Pool (105:58)

Yo, check it out. See this video where it's like spinning around. Now imagine if it had razor blades on the inside of its wheels and when it goes up on two legs are spinning around its arms goes out and just starts spinning towards you.

Ian Crossland (106:10)

It could do.

Tim Pool (106:11)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (106:11)

These people put these in their houses and I love it. I'm fascinated. I love tech. But like if say like 80 million people had one of these in their houses and they were controlled by some central authority, bro, you're going to see.

Tim Pool (106:23)

These driving down the street. It's going to pull up to a food lion a shop and save an Albertsons whatever you got by you. And then they're going to walk over and they're going to put the bag of groceries on top of it and then it's going to start walking to your house.

Peter St. Ange (106:35)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (106:35)

Technically it doesn't even have to go to the Checkout.

Tim Pool (106:37)

They already have these. They already have those robots deliveries.

Ian Crossland (106:39)

It'll scan and charge each item as it picks it up. So it won't. It'll be able to.

Phil Labonte (106:43)

Amazon will, Amazon will fly you a Coca Cola.

Tim Pool (106:46)

Guys, have you seen the videos where they have those little googly eyed boxes that deliver food in San Francisco or whatever and the homeless people attack them?

Phil Labonte (106:53)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (106:53)

There's going to be like a humanoid robot carrying a bag like this, you know, just like marching all stupid and then some homeless guy is going to walk up to it and try and shove it and it's going to go. I am legally authorized to defend myself. And then.

Ian Crossland (107:05)

And the razor blades pop out of its elbows and guys, Robocop, what is the.

Tim Pool (107:10)

What do. This is crazy because what does a robot do? Right now we're already having this problem where these delivery robots are being vandalized.

Ian Crossland (107:17)

And looted and robbed Amazon drivers.

Tim Pool (107:19)

And you can't do anything about it. It because the person will come up wearing a mask, break it open, steal the food and leave. And then knock it over and there's a camera of it. But what are you going to do? You can't prove who that guy was. Are we then going to live in a society where there are robots all moving around? And how do we track who committed the crime against the robot? And will robots have some degree of possession protections in law?

Ian Crossland (107:43)

I am authorized to protect the property of. Yeah, I think they need to fly.

Tim Pool (107:47)

That's one West Virginia, I believe Western and Texas allow the use of lethal force to defend property. I think Texas specifically. So depending on the property, if there's like a guy walking and he's got, you know, a fifty thousand dollar gigantic diamond and someone tries to take it, then what does the robot like? Judo chop.

Peter St. Ange (108:07)

Yeah.

Ian Crossland (108:07)

My first thought was it would run. That would be. It would be programmed to run. If someone attacks it. It runs. But that could damage the. The goods that it's carrying. So running or flying? Flying would help avoid a lot of vandalism. But getting these heavy ass things up into the air is going to require a lot of propeller.

Tim Pool (108:22)

Here's another one. This is the same. Is a hundred thousand dollar version of the same thing in stock. I can click add to cart for only $100,000. You could also notice the, the period and the comma. What is this? Europe? Get out of here. Oh, here's a video. Look at this.

Peter St. Ange (108:38)

That's old.

Phil Labonte (108:38)

That's garbage, man.

Tim Pool (108:41)

He's not trying very hard to kick it.

Phil Labonte (108:43)

Look at. Yeah.

Tim Pool (108:43)

Oh, that was not Bad. I mean, the Boston Dynamics.

Phil Labonte (108:48)

One move compared to this.

Tim Pool (108:49)

Of course, without. Can you buy that one?

Phil Labonte (108:51)

I don't know.

Peter St. Ange (108:52)

I think Boston Dynamic is doing for military applications.

Phil Labonte (108:57)

Probably.

Tim Pool (108:58)

What's with this really awful music?

Ian Crossland (109:00)

I don't know. That was cheap. The other.

Tim Pool (109:01)

All this thing is doing is walking around. What do I need it for? Why am I gonna spend a hundred thousand dollars to have a fake guy walk around?

Ian Crossland (109:06)

Yeah, I want to see some.

Tim Pool (109:08)

You know, I gotta be Honest, I'm surprised Mr. Beast hasn't bought like a hundred of these and then fought them.

Ian Crossland (109:12)

That'd be cool.

Tim Pool (109:14)

Look, Mr. Beast, if you made a video where you bought a hundred, not the 100 grand ones, the 20,000 dollar ones maybe. And what. What is what? We've bought a hundred of them. That's a lot of money.

Ian Crossland (109:24)

And then donate like a thousand dollars to charity for every robot you can defeat.

Tim Pool (109:27)

Bro, bro, Mr. Beast, you're the only one who can do this, okay? Buy a hundred of them and then get you and your buddies and get swords, katanas, and then just start mowing them down.

Ian Crossland (109:36)

You get like full auto. And if it's your property and it's on your land where it's legal, too.

Tim Pool (109:40)

Quick, you got to fight.

Ian Crossland (109:42)

You got to hand to hand. Like, just get some.

Tim Pool (109:44)

Oh, come on, bro.

Ian Crossland (109:45)

Like human.

Tim Pool (109:46)

If you're, if you're buying these things are just shooting them in your range or something, or on set, you might just throw them in the garbage. I don't need to move around.

Ian Crossland (109:53)

Starts running towards you. I will say your bullets and you're like, oh my God.

Tim Pool (109:56)

I went to defcon, the hacker convention, and they have this shooting range in the Mojave desert they set up every year, and guys come out with belt fed, full auto. It's crazy. And I had a drone that was fairly busted, but still flew. And I was like, all right, guys, here's your target. Have fun. And they flew it in the air with targets on it, and we're shooting at it. It was. It was amazing, I gotta say, guys, but it was below the backstop, okay? It didn't. Nobody was aiming up.

Ian Crossland (110:20)

You made a really good question. You had a really good question about what are we gonna do when people start vandalizing the robots carrying groceries? Because firstly, we're going to legislate. You're not allowed. It's like someone's car. If you go up to someone's car and you attack it on the street, you're liable for prison. You know, you're going to get arrested on the spot. Same with these robots and the robots.

Tim Pool (110:39)

Robots.

Ian Crossland (110:40)

Yeah, I guess so. Fortunately, the robots won't be afraid, so they're not going to do something stupid.

Tim Pool (110:45)

They're going to do what they're programmed to do.

Phil Labonte (110:46)

Thousand dollars.

Tim Pool (110:48)

This. I don't know what this is. Biped base. Anyway, we got to go to Super Chats because we. We really went long, my friend. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Become a member. Download the Rumble app if you haven't already, because it makes sure you guys get notifications. And join Rumble Premium, the uncensored shows. Coming up in about 10 minutes. We got a story for you in the uncensored portion that will boil your blood. Boil it, and then steam will come out of your ears. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Peter, do you want to shout anything out?

Peter St. Ange (111:18)

Nope. I hope to see everybody on X. And it's been a pleasure coming here with you guys.

Tim Pool (111:23)

Oh, I. I don't even know why I did that. I still have 10 minutes.

Phil Labonte (111:25)

I was like, wait a minute. We got Super Chats. I was like, yeah, I guess he's doing it.

Ian Crossland (111:28)

Do it again at the end.

Tim Pool (111:29)

We'll do it. You'll set it at it again. Okay, we're gonna read Super Chat work. I forgot because we went too long that we still had 10 minutes left. Look at me. My brain's fried. All right, I'm not your buddy. Guy says, I'm not worried. I now worry the left has gone too far off the reservation. And whether we like it or not, this will end in either a civil war or purge across the West. Yes. I don't want to be too negative, though, because it does kind of feel like maybe this is the back end of the conflict. The civil rights era was a civil strife period that didn't end in civil war. So don't know for sure, but maybe it's scary out there, huh? All right. Minimat Rumble rant says 2016, voted for Trump. 2020, voted for Trump. 2024, voted for Trump. 2028. Can't wait to vote for Trump.

Ian Crossland (112:10)

That's funny. We didn't talk about the Bannon story. Steve Bannon said.

Tim Pool (112:13)

Yeah, but it's just ban and saying it.

Ian Crossland (112:15)

Yeah, it is.

Tim Pool (112:16)

I don't mean anything. I don't.

Ian Crossland (112:17)

Provocateur.

Tim Pool (112:17)

Yeah. Trump's gonna be so old.

Ian Crossland (112:19)

Trump's ready, man. He's doing what he's doing.

Tim Pool (112:22)

Ko7776 says, Tim, you are wrong on Harry Sisson. Allegations are fake news no one believes that kid is straight.

Phil Labonte (112:30)

Oh, that's funny.

Peter St. Ange (112:32)

That's the question. Yeah. Is whether they paid the women to make up the allocation.

Tim Pool (112:37)

I just think he's. What is he, 22?

Ian Crossland (112:40)

Yeah, I think so.

Tim Pool (112:40)

And he's got a bunch of followers and he's gonna try and magic as many women as possible. The problem is publicly he gains followers by pretending to be this like, progressive feminist kind of guy. So, you know, live by the sword. Have fun. What have we here?

Phil Labonte (113:00)

All right.

Tim Pool (113:01)

Super Mercer bro says, can you make a remake of I Just Want to Live from Baldur's Gate? I'll rumble rant $10 every day if you can. Alfira's song is awesome. I don't know those songs.

Phil Labonte (113:11)

I don't know.

Ian Crossland (113:11)

This is Baldur's Gate 3, I imagine. I guess because the Baldur's Gate's the first one.

Tim Pool (113:16)

Baldur's Gate 3 is one of the best games ever made, dude.

Ian Crossland (113:19)

All the Baldur's Gates are mind blowing. The second one, Throne of Ball expansion. Dude, it's just the graphics aren't.

Tim Pool (113:24)

Yeah, but it's real time, isn't it?

Ian Crossland (113:26)

No, it's pause. Well, it's real time and you. Yeah, it's not term. It's. You pause it and then issue orders and then unpause and everything happens and then you pause it and then reissue stuff.

Tim Pool (113:33)

And I was going, three is better because it's turned based.

Ian Crossland (113:35)

It's. It's like a stop start fluid. It's cool. It's similar. It's very similar.

Tim Pool (113:40)

Okay, the 138 says Kimmel, Fallon, Colbert Mar are plagiarizing Goebbels. Oof. Oof. Evans me Scrapjust has great show with Sinaski. I know you don't take pictures, but maybe you'd like to fund someone else's work. Bank job getaway turns monster flag. Interesting. We. We do have a bunch of plans for the community in the Discord. So what we do with Boonies hq, which is our skate company, is every month we do the boonies bounties, where we post today. This month's trick is for March. It was a board slide. Submit your videos of the best board slide. There's a list of legal rules, and then our Discord for the boonies HQ.com votes on who they think deserves to win the prize of $200. We wanted to do for the Tim cast Discord a cultural prize every month of $10,000. So if you are working on a cultural project, maybe you've got a song and you're like, I need to record the next five or whatever. Maybe you've got a comic book, maybe you made a sculpture. Who knows? Everybody submits, and the Discord community votes, and then the winner gets $10,000. The problem is, at that amount of money, it becomes extremely difficult legally. And so we're working out the legal process for it right now, but hopefully we can do that, because that's a cool way to. To eventually angel invest in a bunch of projects. Not literally invest. It would basically be like, here's a gift. Have fun. But I think it would be considered a sweepstakes or something.

Ian Crossland (115:00)

So through a charity, would you set up a charity to issue funds out?

Tim Pool (115:04)

No, just be a. I think that'd be even more complicated. So because the Discord server and our members@timcast.com are voting on who's going to get the money, they ultimately decide it's going to come from Tim Cast. But what I can say is we have. We are. We are booking about 1. About a month and a half away from the first Culture War Live, where us members will sit down in the chair and engage in the debate. So we like. I like how Jubilee does these big public debates, but they're edited, so it's fake. Like when Eliezer Perez was here, he was mentioning that the pauses in Sam Cedar's answers were longer, and he was having. He was having trouble with it, and they edited those out to make it seem like he was answering more quickly.

Ian Crossland (115:43)

Well, I'm going to tell you when you come to the Culture War event, I'm going to convince you live, face to face, that you can control the weather.

Tim Pool (115:50)

Okay. Just make sure it's very nice.

Ian Crossland (115:52)

Yeah. Okay. I threw. The other night, it started hailing. I was outside, I heard it coming in. Lightning, thunder. It started hailing. And I was like, oh. Because I was. I was calling the rain. I wanted it. The moisture, it was hitting me, and I was like, this could cause damage. So I focused warmth.

Tim Pool (116:04)

So you made the hail come?

Ian Crossland (116:06)

And then I got splashed by this super cold water, and I was like, it's working. And I was getting hit by cold but focusing warmth, and then it just melted away.

Tim Pool (116:13)

The hail come because you were calling for rain?

Ian Crossland (116:15)

Well, I went outside after an intense communication, and the lightning and thunder was bringing the stuff, and I.

Tim Pool (116:20)

Were you calling for rain?

Ian Crossland (116:21)

Once I saw it, I was getting excited for it. Yeah.

Phil Labonte (116:23)

Okay.

Tim Pool (116:24)

No, no. And I heard it coming across before the rain came. Did you will for it to go negative?

Ian Crossland (116:29)

I stepped out.

Tim Pool (116:30)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (116:31)

And Then I just went with it. I was excited for it when I saw the lightning.

Tim Pool (116:34)

So you encouraged it?

Ian Crossland (116:35)

Yeah. No, then it was hail and I was like, oops.

Tim Pool (116:38)

So that was your fault.

Ian Crossland (116:40)

Okay, well, maybe I was complicit.

Tim Pool (116:41)

I'm gonna invoice you for the damage to my car because you got damaged by the hail because of the hail damage. That's. So if you, if you did it.

Ian Crossland (116:48)

I melted it. And after about eight seconds, it melted. And that was just cold red.

Tim Pool (116:51)

Oh, that was. The hail was not that bad.

Ian Crossland (116:53)

It was all. Dude, it was wild. It was like a sheet of ice just came down for like eight seconds and then it just turned a super cold water.

Tim Pool (117:01)

All right, Andre says re robots. What happens if he tries using the stairs and trips and kills you on the way down?

Phil Labonte (117:07)

Bad luck, man.

Tim Pool (117:09)

Yeah, I guess. It's like if a washing machine fell over on you or something, I don't know, your fridge tipped over and landed on you. People would be like, accident.

Phil Labonte (117:15)

What happens if you get into a car accident?

Tim Pool (117:17)

The one of the big questions in AI that's been around for years is right now you're driving. I think we talked about this in the green room show. Right now you're driving a car. A little kid runs out in the middle of the street. You have a choice. You can swerve to the left and crash and you might die, or you can just keep going and the kid gets hit. Well, most people would swerve and crash. That's a heat of the moment thing. You know what to do. Now, let's say there's two kids that run out in the middle of the street, and no matter which direction you go, one of them is getting hit.

Ian Crossland (117:42)

Oh, man.

Tim Pool (117:42)

You choose. Well, for most people, it's like I had, I, I, I slammed the brakes on, I tried to dodge them both, but someone got hit. You chose whether to swerve or not. It's a trolley problem. Right. The problem with AI cars like Waymo or whatever, is it called Wayo? Is that what it's called? Yes. Is that someone has to program how it will respond. Does it protect the passenger slash driver or the pedestrian? In the event there are two pedestrians, how does it choose between the two? Which ones to hit? Should it maintain its course or swerve out of the way, potentially risking other people's lives? Those choices have to be made in advance. Someone's going to be liable. So the car's gonna be driving, old lady's gonna come out, the auto car is gonna swerve to the left of Dodger go slam head first into another car, killing the other driver. And the family of that driver is going to say, you programmed the car to go off the road. It's your fault.

Ian Crossland (118:34)

Because that takes a lot of the responsibility off the driver, like to the point where you might even be, like, not responsible for any accidents that your car gets into while you're in it because you're not driving it. And then all of the responsibility goes on to the company that owns the car and develops the algorithm which could bankrupt that company really fast.

Tim Pool (118:51)

So.

Ian Crossland (118:51)

All right, that's a tough one.

Tim Pool (118:52)

Donny Rocket says France can have their statue back. We're building one far greater than you could ever imagine, much more beautiful, much taller, and the most amazing crown you've ever seen. A torch you can see from Canada, some say the best.

Phil Labonte (119:04)

Like, I've seen an. An AI version of this particular statue they're proposing.

Ian Crossland (119:11)

You talking about the Statue of Liberty? They're talking about Statue of Liberty. They want to send it back.

Peter St. Ange (119:16)

There was some French company that wanted to. It basically looks like Caesar Augustus standing up before the world, and there's a.

Phil Labonte (119:21)

Lion behind him, right?

Peter St. Ange (119:23)

Yeah. Yeah. So I guess that's supposed to be Trump. Yeah.

Tim Pool (119:26)

Ah. You ever see that giant. Where was it? Eastern Europe, where they. The gigantic God Emperor Trump in armor with a sword that was. They have claws.

Phil Labonte (119:34)

I'm pretty sure it was in Italy.

Ian Crossland (119:35)

Was it a float?

Tim Pool (119:36)

An eagle?

Phil Labonte (119:37)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (119:37)

It's funny because, like, sometimes these liberals will make things like that, thinking it's mocking Trump, and everyone's like, wow, that's amazing.

Phil Labonte (119:42)

It was like, that's sick.

Tim Pool (119:43)

That was the point I made earlier with these. These leftists spray painting swastikas on. On. On cybertrucks. I was like, if they think these people are Nazis, then wouldn't they just be doing them a favor? And Carl bench and quoted it, pointing out what my point was that the, The, The. The implication is the leftists know Tesla owners are not Nazis. They're doing it to vandalize the car because they know the swastika would offend them. But I do think there's a perfect sketch there where like a neo Nazi's in his house listening to like, you know, Nazi Hitler or whatever, rants or whatever. And then he gets a notification on his phone. His century A century mode is going off. And he runs outside and he sees leftists spray painting swastikas on his Tesla. And they're like. He's like, what are you doing? They're like, we're putting a swastik on your Tesla. And he goes, oh, well, thank you. Like, isn't that the implication of what they're doing?

Phil Labonte (120:36)

Yeah, that is. It is like, oh, you'd like this.

Tim Pool (120:41)

Yeah, we. We're showing you. And he's like, I. I actually had a stencil. I was going to get to it tomorrow, but I appreciate you doing the work for me. Let's go. Polly Puree says Ben and Jerry's ice cream is full of chemicals. Indeed. Today, Julie had her first Pop Tart because she's European. And they don't have Pop Tarts in Europe because they're illegal. They're illegal in Europe. And then we made Pop Tart ice cream sandwiches. We took pop Tarts and we put ice cream between them.

Phil Labonte (121:07)

Ice cream.

Ian Crossland (121:08)

It was healthy stuff.

Tim Pool (121:10)

The opposite of healthy.

Ian Crossland (121:11)

Oh, who was that with your kid?

Tim Pool (121:13)

No, here. Oh, I think just out in the skate park. We got everyone together and we, we did. Andy had a blueberry. One blueberry pop tarts. Mike did a fudge. I tried a little bit of the cookies and cream. I did a half of a brown sugar cinnamon. Because I can't believe they were doing full. You know, like two pop tarts has like 80 carbs in it. Okay. And like 400 calories. So I was like, I'll do half.

Peter St. Ange (121:34)

You should do Stroops waffles. You know those.

Tim Pool (121:38)

Yeah, but that's like way more.

Peter St. Ange (121:39)

Oh, my God.

Tim Pool (121:40)

There's two Stroop waffles with ice cream.

Peter St. Ange (121:42)

With ice cream in the center. Yeah.

Tim Pool (121:43)

All right, everybody smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, the uncensored show is coming up in about 30 seconds. Over. Well, a little bit. Maybe a Couple minutes@rumble.com Timcast IRL Download the Rumble app today. Subscribe because you will get notifications every time we go live. And it's. It's great. Rumble basically owns the live stream space at this point. The Rumble Live, which just launched this week, has the number one live streams in the country for every morning time slot. It's absolutely insane. This morning we had104,000 combined concurrence. 77, 000 were on Rumble. Yeah, Rumble's live audience is the biggest and they dominate the space. So it's really incredible. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast once again. Peter, would you like to shout anything out?

Peter St. Ange (122:25)

Yeah. Thanks for having me on, guys. I hope to see you over on X. Yeah.

Ian Crossland (122:30)

And people are gonna follow you on X at Prof. Staunch. It's P R O F S T O N G E. Yep, I do.

Peter St. Ange (122:36)

Daily videos talking about economics and freedom.

Ian Crossland (122:38)

Thanks for coming, man.

Peter St. Ange (122:39)

Thanks for having me on so far.

Ian Crossland (122:41)

Ian Crossland. Looking forward to the uncensored thing, man. Follow me at Ian Crossland across the Internet. You'll find me on all the social almost all the social networks. See you there.

Phil Labonte (122:47)

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Tim Pool (123:01)

We will see you all in the uncensored show@rumble.com Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.