DoD Branch Chief GOES ROGUE, Vows To RESIST Trump, Tulsi Refers Leakers For PROSECUTION w/ Five Times August

Summary

Timcast IRL: Episode Summary Release Date: April 24, 2025

Introduction In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves into a series of explosive revelations and discussions surrounding government overreach, internal resistance within the Department of Defense (DoD), political prosecutions, and shifting political strategies. Featuring insights from guests like Five Times August, the episode offers an uncensored exploration of today’s most controversial issues.

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1. Rogue DoD Branch Chief Vows to Resist Trump Tim Pool opens the episode by addressing a recent undercover interview conducted by James O'Keefe, featuring a DoD branch chief who openly declares his intent to resist President Donald Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.

• Notable Quote:

  "[07:30] Tim Pool: 'DOD branch chief calls President Trump illegitimate, vows to resist him.'"

The branch chief criticizes Hegseth's leadership, labeling him "insanely young and unfit to lead," and warns of a potential path toward dictatorship under the current administration. Pool speculates on the possible legal repercussions for the branch chief, questioning his actions both publicly and privately within the DoD.

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2. Tulsi Gabbard Refers Leakers for Prosecution The discussion shifts to Tulsi Gabbard, who has taken a firm stance against internal leaks within the government.

• Notable Quote:

  "[19:11] Tim Pool: 'Tulsi Gabbard says she has referred intelligence officials to DOJ over leaks from the Justice Department.'"

Gabbard emphasizes her commitment to partnering with the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI to investigate and prosecute individuals leaking classified information. This stance is juxtaposed with recent leaks from DoD employees, suggesting a concerted effort to root out dissent within government ranks.

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3. Elon Musk’s Exit from Dogecoin Advocacy Elon Musk's involvement with Dogecoin comes under scrutiny as rumors circulate about his withdrawal from active participation.

• Notable Quote:

  "[36:05] Tim Pool: 'Doge loses its biggest advocate as Musk exits Washington.'"

Pool discusses how Musk's scaling back of his Dogecoin activities might impact the cryptocurrency's momentum. Speculation ranges from Musk simply stepping back to more sensational theories about conflicts leading to his departure. Guests debate the credibility of these rumors, with some expressing skepticism about the more dramatic narratives.

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4. The Rise of Dark Woke as a Political Strategy One of the central themes of the episode is the emergence of "Dark Woke," a strategy employed by Democrats to appear edgy and authentic by incorporating profanity and provocative behavior.

• Notable Quote:

  "[16:47] Ian Crossland: 'We've just watched The South Park episode where they depicted Jesus, Muhammad...'"

Tim Pool and his guests critique this approach, arguing that it fails to resonate authentically with audiences and instead comes off as forced and ignorant. They discuss how Dark Woke mirrors previous right-wing meme strategies but lacks originality and genuine connection with the public.

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5. In-Depth Discussion with Five Times August The episode features an extensive conversation with Brad Skistimas of Five Times August, a hard rock band and content creator.

• Notable Quote:

  "[05:06] Tim Pool: 'What does five Times August mean?' "[05:08] Brad Skistimas: 'That name came from my birthday, needing a band name. August 5th. So I was 18 at the time when I started...'"

The discussion ranges from the band's creative process to broader topics like the intersection of music and political activism. Brad shares his experiences performing for Tim's team and the challenges of maintaining authenticity in their message.

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6. Debate on Belief, Evidence, and Media Trustworthiness A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to a heated debate between Tim Pool and guest Ian Crossland about the nature of belief, the importance of evidence, and the reliability of media sources.

• Notable Quote:

  *"[12:17] Ian Crossland: 'There's like a civil disobedience is your right as an American...'" *"[14:04] Tim Pool: 'The American people have elected an administration...'"

Ian Crossland challenges the notion of blindly trusting established narratives, advocating for skepticism and personal verification. Tim Pool counters by emphasizing the necessity of relying on credible sources and the dangers of destabilizing established institutions. Their exchange highlights the deep divisions and challenges in achieving mutual understanding within the current political climate.

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7. Cultural Commentary and Future Events Towards the end of the episode, Tim Pool discusses upcoming events, including the Culture War Live scheduled for May 3rd in Washington D.C., featuring debates between prominent figures like Will Chamberlain and Sebastian Gorka.

• Notable Quote:

  "[05:06] Tim Pool: 'Don't forget, we got coffee, which is the opposite...'"

He also touches on the dynamics of political debate shows and the importance of creating platforms where diverse viewpoints can be aired and contested in a structured manner.

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Conclusion This episode of Timcast IRL offers a comprehensive look into the complexities of internal government dissent, the strategic maneuvers within political parties, and the ongoing struggle for authenticity in media and political discourse. Through candid conversations and critical analysis, Tim Pool and his guests navigate the turbulent waters of contemporary politics, providing listeners with sharp insights and prompting critical reflection on the state of the nation.

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Transcript

[Tim Pool]

James O'Keefe is back with a new leak this time, or not necessarily a leak, but an undercover interview from a Department of Defense branch chief who says that he is going to resist Donald Trump and Hegseth and oh, boy, guys, I think this guy's going to go to jail. I don't know for sure. But going on camera, talking it up to people in public about your DoD work at a time when other big news. Tulsi Gabbard says she has referred leakers for criminal prosecution. And we just heard from Secretary Kristi Noem in an interview that I done with her that she is having DHS polygraph people to weed out corruption. Then I see this story from James O'Keefe and I say, James, I think this guy might be investigated for criminal, criminal activity. Because while he's saying this stuff in public, the question is, what is he doing in private within the DoD to undermine the Trump administration? Then we're getting rumors that Elon Musk is leaving Dosh. Now some people are saying, yeah, he's literally just leaving, so his time is up. Others are saying he got into a screaming match WWE style and this is the end. I never believe the salacious stuff because it's just life is boring. It's never that crazy. But, you know, maybe. I guess so. We'll talk about that. Plus the rise of Dark Woke. Have you guys heard of Dark Woke? The Democrats are trying a new strategy where they're insufferable and they act like children and they're calling it Dark Woke. You try to with Dark Brandon, it's stupid. They don't understand what authenticity is. They think swearing on TV makes them seem authentic. No, it just seems. Makes you seem ignorant. But sure, we'll talk about all that. Before we do, my friends, we got a great sponsor. We've got shop beam.com yo, this stuff will help you sleep. You want to go to shop beam b.com Tim Pool use promo code Tim Pool. You get 35% off. Some of the. Some of the team here at Tim Cast have been using Beam Dream lately. We actually have them in the back. I was telling Phil he should, he should try it out too. Especially Beam Dreams Hot Chocolate. And since adding it to their nightly routine, a bunch of the crew has noticed they're getting way better sleep. Well, to be fair, I think it's like two people. But of the people who have tried the samples there, there are rave reviews. We've heard that the difference between night's sleep with Beam and nights without it is dramatic. They're waking up feeling better, rested, more focused, ready to go. Instead of dragging through the morning, let's be real. Keeping up with the news, the show and everything else can be a lot. It's not always easy to shut your brain off at night. Beam's been a huge help for winding down. The hot chocolate is actually really good too, which makes it easy, even easier to stick with. The super cool thing is actually they sent us this little blender and so we actually. You just. You press the button and it goes. If you've been struggling to get decent sleep, you should consider giving it a shot. Head to shop beam.com Tim Pool. Use the code Tim Pool for 35% off. If you've already tried it, drop your favorite, favorite flavor in the comments. That's interesting. The team's always down to try something new. They gave us two. We got. We got two different flavors and I'm hearing really good things about them. Shout out to Beam for sponsoring the show. Really do appreciate it. But don't forget, we got coffee, which is the opposite. If you're trying to stay awake, you can go to cast brew.com and drink some amazing coffee. Ian's Graphene dream, of course, is in stock. And, you know, we got. We had a decent. We got a hefty amount. But I recommend you try some of our other flavors, such as Luck of the Seamus Irish cream, if you'd like. You know what it really is, I think the bags are the best part. We put a lot into the design of the bag.

[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

Also, Jessica knocked it out of the park with the branding. You're right, it is.

[Tim Pool]

Did you take a picture of yourself floating like that? Is that.

[Ian Crossland]

That's from a Cass Castle movie we did.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right.

[Ian Crossland]

You were meditating out front. And then.

[Brad Skistimas]

Indeed.

[Tim Pool]

Wesley are my friends. Don't forget. Also go to timcast.com join our discord server because the Culture War live is coming May 3rd. Saturday, I believe, Saturday nights in D.C. and we've got Will Chamberlain and the liberal Pisco Litty will be debating the legal issue of Abrego Garcia as well as Trump's deportation efforts, but not just them. Alex Stein will be there and so will you. And you as members can actually join the debate on camera, on stage with us. And I think there may be like two tickets left. So if you go to timcast.com click join us. You got to download Discord, get involved in the community. And the link is still there. We may be sold out, but I believe last before the show started it was there was a couple, a couple dates left. So also don't forget to smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is five Times August.

[Brad Skistimas]

Hi, thanks for having me.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Brad Skistimas]

Brad Skistemus, singer, songwriter for five Times August, creator of the Juice Box jukebox, content creator, influencer to some degree on X, all sorts of things.

[Tim Pool]

What does five Times August mean?

[Brad Skistimas]

That name came from my birthday, needing a band name. August 5th. So I was 18 at the time when I started and I was like, I can't go by Brad Schismus. So I was like, August 5th. Five times August. That sounds cool.

[Tim Pool]

And you performed for us actually in the green room.

[Brad Skistimas]

I did.

[Tim Pool]

So he showed up and we were like, no, you're not allowed to sit down. We handed him a guitar and said play. And he was like, yes. And everyone was impressed. So if you go to rumble.com timcast IRL, that green room episode is for members only. Use promo code TIM10 and and you can listen. Is really, really incredible music. Yeah, it's really good stuff you got.

[Ian Crossland]

It's stunning. Brad. It is really good, man. I, I didn't know. I wasn't super familiar with your work in the early aughts, I guess you would say, you know, 2007, 8, 9. And really until more recently. And then we were listening to it at Iowa at the Iowa Caucus and it's spectacular, dude. I could use much more, much more profanity to describe how awesome it is.

[Brad Skistimas]

Well, go for it.

[Ian Crossland]

Epic, dude.

[Brad Skistimas]

Thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

Really, really good.

[Tim Pool]

And, and, and you know that, that it's true because look at the way this man is dressed and that's. He must be a rock star or something.

[Brad Skistimas]

He's like, I'm going to wear my rainbow.

[Tim Pool]

I just want to, I just want to point out real quick, this is Ian Crossland and as much as he's dressed like a lunatic, the actual rock star is over here.

[Ian Crossland]

True. Well, I'm surrounded by rock stars. It's kind of fascinating. Phil labonte.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.

[Tim Pool]

Eddie. And Crossland is.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And the last thing I was going to say is it's. It's hard to describe music without someone actually being able to listen to the song. It's like trying to describe a piece of food that someone's not tasting. So five times. August.com. is that the website?

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Check it out.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump into this first story. It's breaking news from James O'Keefe draining the deep state. Yeah, this is. This is crazy. DOD branch chief calls President Trump illegitimate, vows to resist him. Everything he does claims Pete Hegseth is, quote, insanely young and unfit to lead. Nobody I know should be the Secretary of Defense. Quote, the same guy who tried to overthrow an election is just like, truly setting us down a path of dictatorship. I think they don't care who they hurt. Referring to Trump's administration. Now, we will get into the next bit of the story, but the reason why this one is so important is that you have this story. Tulsi Gabbard says she referred intelligence officials to DOJ over leaks. Then, then James O'Keefe drops this. I think this guy's gonna get investigated. Let's play the clip. It's the same guy who tried to overthrow an election. He's just like, truly setting his down path.

[Ian Crossland]

Illegitimate.

[Tim Pool]

He's terribly immoral, breaking every door. We're gonna resist everything he does. James O'Keefe here in Arlington, Virginia, in front of the Pentagon. The branch chief inside the Pentagon saying on hidden camera he's going to resist against Trump and Hegseth. Now, since President Trump was elected and assigned Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense, the DOD has faced a number of leaks in the past few months from employees inside the Pentagon. There's some type of deep state forces that want to make sure you don't stay there.

[Phil Labonte]

They've come after me from day one.

[Tim Pool]

Just like they've come after President Trump. I mean, I've gotten a fraction of what President Trump got in that first term. The Secretary of Defense, Pete Hexseth, has been going on media interviews expressing that there are people within the Pentagon who want to resist the president and hurt his policies. I know exactly why I'm here. To rip out the insidious ideologies and not compromise and not back down to reestablish standards and accountability. Nicholas Tza, a branch chief within the DoD expressed dissatisfaction with his new boss, Secret Defense Pete Heth, claiming he is too young for the job.

[Phil Labonte]

So I'm assuming that your boss isn't Pete Heth.

[Tim Pool]

Ultimately, he is my boss, but this is insane. I. I actually know Pete Heth. You do? This is so crazy. Like, that's not a good reflection on me. That's a bad reflection on Trump. Like, nobody I know should be the Secretary of Defense. That's a weird thing to say because I would ask, like, why? You're like, I know Cash Patel. I would never say, no one I know should be running the FBI. Like, well, I don't know. I actually know a lot of veterans and security experts and law enforcement. That's, like, a weird thing to say. I do want to add this real quick to this. This is a clip from the interview I had with Kristi Noem that I think is pertinent to the Tulsi Gabbard and DoD Leak story. Check this out.

[Kristi Noem]

And one thing that, you know, in Homeland Security that we've been doing is we're polygraphing everybody. You know, we're kind of going hardcore. So I'm just, you know, I don't trust anybody, and I, you know, we are polygraphing everybody. So if I had a CBP officer that was sitting there and facilitated child trafficking, first thing I do is put him on a polygraph and start building.

[Tim Pool]

A case against him.

[Kristi Noem]

So we've done that with people on our executive offices, heading up our biggest agencies in our communications department. We've had all these leaks going on. We've polygraphed those individuals. If we think somebody is not on Team America, then, you know, I want to find out if you really understand that you're working for the people of this country.

[Tim Pool]

I love it.

[Kristi Noem]

So nobody's done that before, but if I have the authority to do it, I'm going to do it to make sure the deep state exists.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristi Noem]

And I, you know, I would say 10 years ago, you could have told me, you know, I would have been skeptical on that and thought, you know, everybody's kind of seeing shadows. Boy, if anything has proven to me that it does and that there are people embedded in this government and that there are people that are facilitating crimes and criminal activity. I know that there are. And so we're going to make sure that we're doing all we can to clean house and get people out of here that would facilitate something as horrific as that.

[Tim Pool]

This is actually a really interesting turn of events for me because it was just yesterday That I had spoke with Kristi Noem and she said, we've got State is real. They're entrenched. She's specifically referring to guys like this, that James O'Keefe then, I believe, just at 6:46pm Publishes this video. So while I have Kristen literally saying, we are trying to weed out these people through the DHS, you've got the DoD at the same time, there's the evidence. She was right the whole time. And they're polygraphing these people.

[Ian Crossland]

By the way, we should get a polygraph for this office. That'd be hell.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, sure.

[Ian Crossland]

And so she claimed that it's the people that are doing. Being illegal, doing illegal things. And that's a big problem.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Ian Crossland]

But I think a lot of people.

[Tim Pool]

Classified information is illegal.

[Ian Crossland]

I think a lot of these people are doing legal things, but they're doing evil. And that's a big moral conversation about what's good, what's evil. We have religion and social mores to kind of dictate that. But people that use the law for evil are just as dangerous, if not more dangerous than people that completely ignore the law. Maybe they're not quite that dangerous, more insidious. You can create and control entire civilizations with evil lawfare if you're unopposed. So that's a big challenge is to find out who in here is actually bent on. It's just these two perspectives about what's gonna destroy the world. Is it him or is it me?

[Tim Pool]

No, it's actually simple. The American people have elected an administration, support the administration, Trump's approval ratings with the margin of error, and then you simply say, okay, I'm here to do my job for the American people. These people are ideological, ideologically driven, evil individuals who think they matter more than you.

[Ian Crossland]

There's like a civil disobedience is your right as an American. And you know, but this isn't a civil thing. This guy's working for the military, the Department of Defense, so he's no longer a civilian. He's in. And you're not really supposed to disobey your military.

[Tim Pool]

Let me. Let me show you something real quick. Ian, I tweeted this earlier, and I think you made a point that warrants bringing this up. The top post on Change. My view on Reddit is American conservatism is objectively a dangerous ideology, and those associated with it do not deserve a platform. Conservatism. Conservatism is undeniably a dangerous ideology. It seeks to fundamentally destroy and undermine democracy, targets minorities, has led to Authoritarian regimes at this point, who cares what else they said? Is the point not obvious to you, Ian?

[Ian Crossland]

What point exactly?

[Tim Pool]

This individual who thinks conservatives are evil and destroying democracy and leading to authoritarianism has decided that authoritarianism and the end of democracy are the means by which you stop concerns.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, it's totally staring into the abyss. That kind of.

[Tim Pool]

Staring at the abyss.

[Ian Crossland]

Become the demon you hate.

[Tim Pool]

They're not fighting monsters.

[Ian Crossland]

They think they are.

[Tim Pool]

Well, then they're psychopaths. And so what do we. What would you. If you've got a guy and he's in the military and he's armed and he's sent on a mission and they say, this guy right here is kidnapped a bunch of women, we need to rescue them. They're. They're American citizens. And he says, okay, we call that a warrior. What if that guy with a weapon was diseased, drugged up and out of his mind and running around shooting at random? People would say that's a crazy person or an. Or a deranged lunatic. That's how I would describe these people. They're on no mission. They're not going after any bad guys. They are seeking to undermine the popular will of the people.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the concern that they're having, and I've thought of this a lot, is people did vote for Trump and they gave him the mandate. That doesn't mean they support carte blanche, everything this guy's going to do from here on forward.

[Tim Pool]

No, it means that the polls right now show largely he has general support across the board. His approval ratings in aggregate are within the margin of error, or I should say about a point below the margin of error. He's sitting in aggregate RCP about minus 4, which is give or take. You know, it's like 20 points higher than where Biden was. Or not, not 20, but 10 points higher. So right now, especially on immigration, Trump has the. And that's the principal issue. Trump largely has the favor of the American people. But why is it then that these deep state people are undermining these individuals before they've even started their jobs?

[Brad Skistimas]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I think. What were you going to say?

[Brad Skistimas]

I'm wondering if when this guy says something like the same guy who tried to overthrow an election and he's, he's having this one on one conversation with this person if he really means that narrative, because obviously a lot of people don't believe in that narrative. And so when he's having to want this, do these people behind the curtain sincerely convince themselves of these narratives and then they have to commit to it, even in these settings, to keep it going. Does that make sense? You know, I'm saying, yeah, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

Believing your own lie kind of thing. You have to get right where you become so entrenched. It's either that or they're just brainwashed by the mass media and they don't question.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I have a. I have a really good example of something inane that I think represents even today, the culture war. Me and. Me and. Me and the boonies homies were joking about launching a skateboard. Like, what are our new graphics going to be? And then I said, I got an idea. Let's make a skateboard that's just white with black bold text saying, don't be gay. Everybody laughed because I'm joking, right? And I laughed, and I was like, to be fair, like, we'd probably sell out of those.

[Phil Labonte]

Would sell like hotcakes.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. The joke is the left has a meme that says, be gay, do crime. And so my inversion of their joke is don't be gay. Now, here's the thing. One of the guys, I'm not gonna call him out, but he was like, I don't know, man. People are gonna get real mad at us for something like that. And then I was like, why are they allowed to say be gay, do crime? And we can't say, don't be gay. This is the world we live in. Even to this day, people are walking on eggshells around these lunatics. You know, it's a joke. We're not literally insulting gay people. It's meant to be an inversion of the left's meme. But there are genuinely people who are concerned. You have to be in that world. Even to this day, it is a cult, and people fear the cult because they're violent. So you take a look at religious groups, you take a look at. We'll give two examples. You've got Scientology. You've got Islam. There are a lot of people that have talked about how if you're a Scientologist and you speak ill of them, then they come and they do bad things to you. I don't really know a lot about, like, what they do, but you've guys have heard stories I was just about.

[Ian Crossland]

To make a video about because they hired me one time and I'm gonna talk some crap about Scientology. They hired me in 2007. Me and my girlfriend. They cast us. We were cast to play married couple. And we went to there and we said, we've been married for five years or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

What? For what?

[Ian Crossland]

Scientology? So that they could show people the right to marriage. It was one of the right to me. They had a lie to promote marriage.

[Tim Pool]

Religion, just not so we don't get off point. But then you also have Islam, where you've had people who drew pictures of Muhammad get killed. People will. News organizations don't show Muhammad. South park did a really great example of this. An episode of south park depicted Jesus, Muhammad, and I can't remember. Who else do you guys remember was like three people?

[Ian Crossland]

Buddha?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, maybe. And then when. And then later on, like 10 years later, they want. They had already depicted Muhammad in the show, but after the Charlie Hebdo incident, they wanted to bring Muhammad back on the show, and Comedy Central would not let them, so they censored the whole thing. And then when Stan was doing his monologue about what he learned, it just bleeped the. They just bleeped the whole thing out.

[Brad Skistimas]

Didn't they?

[Phil Labonte]

Didn't. Didn't they want to put Muhammad in a bear costume and tell people that it was Muhammad in the bear costume?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

They weren't allowed. They wouldn't allow them to show the bear costume that Muhammad was in.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. And so that's the point. Even to this day, people are still scared of this cult faction. And it's not necessarily because they have the political power to crush you right now. Trump has the establishment power. It's because they're deranged, violent lunatics who will cause you harm, and nobody wants to be confrontational.

[Ian Crossland]

And I think people are also trained over the last eight years to keep their mouth shut and not violate the COVID narrative or other things that get you censored offline. So there's still a lot of this chilling that people are thawing.

[Phil Labonte]

Do you think that that. Do you think it's still thawing, or do you think that it's my sense that that's over? And there are people that are extremely enthusiastically saying the taboo things nowadays.

[Ian Crossland]

I bet it's just like when water boils. Part of that water turns into gas first, and then other parts of the water will start to turn into gas. That's the. That's the heat. You're someone that's already slapped it away and you're like, hot. But some people are still warming up and getting out of that state of mind.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this next story from Newsweek, carrying on this train of thought. Tulsi Gabbard says she referred intelligence officials to the DOJ over leaks. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard says she's referred to intelligence community professionals to the DOJ over leaks from the Justice Department. She told Fox News Digital on Wednesday that she's planning to refer a third shortly. I look forward to working with the DOJ and the FBI to investigate, terminate and prosecute these criminals. I love it.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Christine Ohms had something similar about individual. They have leakers and they're going to be investigating and going after these individuals. The Defense Department has come under fire after Pete Hegseth and other chops. Top Trump officials engaged in a single group chat. Blah, blah, blah. We get it. Gabbard said those who leak classified information will be found and held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. This is amazing because with the people like that guy, the, the branch Chief from the DOD that James O'Keefe has just exposed, criminally charging them for the crimes they committed. I'm not saying going after, going after whistleblowers. I'm saying if somebody is leaking classified information, you criminally charge them and then let all the other weird woke cultists in the deep state know you will go to jail all the same for leaking information.

[Phil Labonte]

That's an important part. It's not just about getting the dude that did the actual, you know, leaked the information or whatever. It's about making it clear to other people that might decide, oh, I'm gonna take on Trump and I'm gonna resist thinking that it's, you know, 2017 or 2018. This is a different administration and this administration will prosecute, prosecute you. If you break the law, we will put you in jail. And the evidence is they're prosecuting people and putting them in jail or, or the very least, they're, they're finding those people and firing them at the, at the minimum. But I would like to see prison time.

[Ian Crossland]

We were talking in the green, on the green room.

[Brad Skistimas]

All I'm waiting for.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that's where we were. Like, where's Cash Patel? Where are these, why are these people so quiet and three months. I think that they're in there rooting out the, the leakers right now. There's a lot of like, turnover and like, remember that.

[Phil Labonte]

Remember Dan Bongino tweeted about this like maybe a month ago. He said, look, I know there are people that are saying, hey, where's the results? Where's the results? Remember, just because you're not seeing it on the Internet doesn't mean it's not happening, happening. We're working on scenes.

[Tim Pool]

Small room with a steel table and a Low lamp. And Dan Bongino's leaning in, talking to Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, Pete Hegseth, and he says, he slides a piece of paper, pictures on it. He says, these are the guys we're going after. It's gonna take time. They got to investigate. It's been only a few months. So people are expecting scenarios like that where, you know, I. I assure you, it's probably very mundane. Cash is gonna walk into the office, and Dan's gonna be there and be like, oh, can you take a look at this form? He's gonna look, and it's like, oh, okay. So this guy was leaking to. To the press. Like, okay, that's really bad. All right, let's go over this. It's probably very mundane, and they're probably working as a lot of paperwork. But also, if you really do think there's a deep state, yo, Cash and Dan aren't gonna come out and just like, here's a list of names of people we're going after. We've. We've built a case in three months. We walked in the door, we had all the evidence. We were done. Nah, I think they're working on. I, I talked with Gorka about this. We're putting that interview up tomorrow. But he was basically like, cash was a victim of this, and Dan has dedicated himself to weeding out this corruption. It will happen. And I, I asked him, I was like, you're basically warning the deep state right now. We are coming for you. It's like, they know. They know. Of course they know. So I give them all the benefit of the doubt that I can muster up. They've got. They got four years to do something, but I really do expect something to happen within this year.

[Ian Crossland]

I could see them for two years. All they're really. I mean, the FBI, that's. The FBI's job, is to weed out internal corruption, more or less. You know, solve internal crimes and things. Two years of this, and I'm concerned a little bit about the Trump administration's, you know, their whole purview in general. Like, what they're going to be able to accomplish, because then the rest of the time they're just worried about. It's like they're trying to. Just to put out fires. They're trying to fix problems, bloated governance, mass illegal immigration, which is like, if you let them in illegally, how are we supposed to get them out legally? You let them in illegally. Like, so Trump's toying with, like, we're not going to even have trials for these People, we're just.

[Tim Pool]

Did you know that they don't get trials to begin with.

[Ian Crossland]

Illegal immigrants? Do they have to? I thought they were like immigration courts.

[Tim Pool]

No, immigration court is for people who have visas and came here legally and then are facing an end of their visa or a violation of the terms of their immigration. People who come here illegally, like cross through the border, are get what's called expedited removal. They don't even get a hearing. They are taken. They is determined by ice. That is the normal legal process. So Donald Trump said, why would we give them trials? We don't have time for that. And the media is twisting it and trying to create the impression among the American people that trials are a normal thing. That happens for all illegal immigrants, which has never been the case. The only people who get. The Supreme Court has argued specific hearings for those under the Alien Enemies act because those people are going to a prison and not simply being deported. Trump still has full authority to deport anybody under expedited removal processes, which is. If ICE determines that you're an illegal immigrant by. That's it, man.

[Ian Crossland]

If they hadn't all been let in illegally there, I would be. I'd be much more obsessed with doing illegal extradition. Extra. Whatever you want to call it.

[Tim Pool]

Illegal extradition.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, legally. Getting them out through some legal process. I mean, technically is. But like one guy to go. They're a terrorist organization now. Trust me. Now get out of the country.

[Tim Pool]

That's why they. That's why they get hearings. And the Trump admin has actually been dropping charges against some of these individuals because they can. Now it's easier to deport them if they don't do that.

[Phil Labonte]

It's not. The terrorist organization part is secondary. If they're illegally immigrants, get them out. Right? Like, put. Put as much pressure on them as you can from as many different ways as you can for either to pick them up. The government can pick them up or get them to leave, go after the people that are hiring them so that way they can't work. Put a couple businesses out of business because they hired too many illegals, and that'll fix your problem with hiring illegals real quick. But it's got to happen that way because there aren't enough. If there. If there has to be a hearing for every single illegal that comes that we wanted to deport or that the government administration wants to support, then you're not ever going to deport enough people. You don't have enough courts. It'll take forever. It'll take.

[Ian Crossland]

And I don't want kangaroo.

[Tim Pool]

That's why they're doing it. That, that's why they're doing it. And so the Trump administration, Donald Trump didn't say, I am ending the standard practice of trials for illegal immigrants. He said, we don't do this. We've never done this. Why would we do it now? And the New York Times falsely framed it and manipulated the context. And they've got Democrats coming out saying Trump is trying to take criminal trials away from people, as if he's talking about Americans now. Because they're scumbag liars. And this is all they do. They lie all day. And if you call them a liar because they're lying, they call you conservative or right wing. You're very far right, apparently.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm so far right, I'm far left. Let's dance in the middle somewhere.

[Tim Pool]

Left and right these days are, it's true and false. Left is false, right is true. That's it.

[Ian Crossland]

Like, are you good or evil? Are you lawful or chaotic? That's what I think.

[Brad Skistimas]

The modern day conservative conservative is like a 90s Democrat.

[Tim Pool]

I, I understand what you're saying, but I colloquially, I don't agree. There are a lot of modern conservatives who are 90s Democrats, but Ben Shapiro certainly is not. Steven Crowder certainly is not. Those guys have some of the biggest platforms in conservative media, and they are staunch conservatives. I think the, the narrative of the 90s Democrat is large because of Trump. But if you, if you were to look at the right, the quote unquote right, and try and figure out what brings them together. How is Jimmy Dore far right? I'm not kidding. They call, the leftists, call him alt right and far right. The dude's a literal socialist. He advocates for socialist policy. He's right wing because he believes in the truth. Because he'll tell you, like, Trump never did that. And then they go, oh, you're defending Trump. And he's like, no, I'm telling you the truth. And they're like, that's right wing.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, if you look out into the universe, it's a sphere. We're inside of a sphere. They call it. You can see the cosmic microwave background on this sphere. Everywhere you look. It's the universe. And it's like these people are in a universe of right wing, and they're these, this liberal bubble inside this Right. So everywhere they look, if it's not in their little bubble, it's right wing.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Brad Skistimas]

It basically became the woke left. And then everybody else on that other side is Conservative. It is conservative.

[Tim Pool]

And, but, but you know what? I think the woke left is very small, but their sphere, they have control over a lot of people.

[Brad Skistimas]

They've got the megaphone and the people.

[Tim Pool]

That are on the left are terrified to speak up because they're scared of being not left. They're so desperate to call themselves left wing and so scared of being called right wing. It truly is the epitome of cowardice to fear being called right wing.

[Phil Labonte]

The brand right wing has now been so tarnished. There are people that associate that with, just say if you're right wing then you must be a fascist. And people associate the term fascist with Nazis. These are all, they're all equivalent in there, in, in a lot of people's heads. And it's, they're not the same at all. But that's the way specifically center, center kind of center, center left people. That's what the way they perceive it. That's why when the far left or the left, you know, call people Nazis and blah, blah, blah, everyone's terrified of being, of being called those things. I mean it's just a name like any other insult.

[Tim Pool]

But, but I do think it's waning.

[Phil Labonte]

I do too. I agree.

[Tim Pool]

But yeah, more and more it's like, I don't know what that means anything. Yeah. Like your race is like, oh, I don't know what that means. Like when they started calling Jewish people Nazis.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I was like, I'm, I'm confused now. And I'm not talking about Zionists. You, you know, the Jewish people. I'm talking about literally like they started calling conservative Jewish people in the United States Nazis and I'm just like, I, I don't know where you're at. I don't know what you think. You just, you're a cult.

[Ian Crossland]

It's certainly maddening when they, people are found to put swastikas on other people's cars and they're like, you're a Nazi. And then they put a swastika on the car. Like, yo bro, if you put the swastika on the guy's car, you're the Nazi. Like you're the one.

[Tim Pool]

That's the point.

[Ian Crossland]

The point I was making is using force and threat, whatever the imagery is, and then blaming, calling someone else a pejorative.

[Tim Pool]

Like that's the point I was making before is if they really thought you were a Nazi for having a Tesla and they spray painted the swasta on your car, I'm imagining like the Nazi walking out of his house being like, hey, what are you doing? And they're like, I'm spraying a swastika on your car. And the Nazi goes, oh, thank you.

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't have the balls to do it.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you. I was going to get to it, but later. But I appreciate you doing it for me.

[Phil Labonte]

So we'll do it better because that one looks like crap.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But Carl Benjamin made a great point when I tweeted this. He said, the implication in everything they do is that they know you are not a Nazi, and they are doing that to make you angry because you are not. They are basically saying, fall in line or we will other you man this.

[Phil Labonte]

And the, like, zoomers nowadays, they don't care. They do not. They're not afraid of the word racist. They're not afraid of being called Nazi. They do not care at all. The power of those words is totally depleted when it comes to the younger generations. They don't care at all.

[Ian Crossland]

I think Trump just stopped the war with Iran, too. Like, the Nazis weren't really into stopping wars. They were really about winning them all, taking as much land as they could.

[Phil Labonte]

Nazis were definitely a. You know, that's. That's a part of fascism is. Is being fairly militaristic.

[Ian Crossland]

This like. Okay, so the reality we're in right now, this United States has been hijacked for 100 years by the Global Banking Order, essentially 1913, Federal Reserve, and then mass illegal immigration. We're in a place where, like, the law, paperwork isn't going to solve this problem. Unless you want to say gold's worth $60,000 an ounce, which you guys mentioned last night.

[Tim Pool]

Like, what do you think? Do you think Trump should just. Wartime powers, emergencies, mass deportation. Get them out.

[Ian Crossland]

It's unprecedented, man. It's never happened. This is a new thing because Abe Lincoln. Very limited in scope. And there was a different planet back then. 20 million illegal immigrants.

[Tim Pool]

What are you talking about?

[Ian Crossland]

Abe Lincoln suspending habeas corpus was.

[Tim Pool]

That wasn't the only thing he did. He did a lot more than that.

[Ian Crossland]

He was also literally in a physical war overseeing a physical war at the time local, which he was leading the north in the Civil War before the.

[Tim Pool]

Abraham Lincoln was actually inaugurated. Seven states seceded from the Union. And then Union troops were in Fort Sumter in South Carolina, and they said, union troops evacuate. The Union refused. So he was. He came in and under his leadership, a war began.

[Ian Crossland]

Started the war. He wasn't. He attacked them because they were trying to leave.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. They attacked the Union. The Union were in Fort Sumter claiming it as their federal base in South Carolina, said, it's our territory and leave. So the south, actually, I don't think we know who fired the first. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

It's kind of like, I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. Like, that's what the North.

[Tim Pool]

My point is, Abraham Lincoln wasn't facing bullets flying in chaos until he decided, like, it takes two to tango. And I don't think it's fair to say the Union or the south necessarily started the conflict. I know some people are gonna have their perspectives. My point is that the actions he took were not based upon bullets flying until he took actions which resulted in bullets flying. So you could say that refusing to leave Fort Sumter initiated conflict or because we don't know who actually fired the first shot. Then you had the battle of Bull Run. The point is that dude did a lot of stuff, and basically everything he did was. Was unprecedented and unconstitutional.

[Brad Skistimas]

Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump with his wartime power thing. It's. It's. I thought that the cartels were like a foreign terrorist organization, insurgency in the country. Like, we should, you know, militarily defend against it if we need to, because they've been attacking us with drugs and human trafficking, fentanyl, running kids across the border for months for sale, and other horrible things. I don't know, but this is what I've heard. So, like, yeah. And the war in Ukraine. Technically, we're not at war, but you could consider our country at war since we've been funding this war in uk, we're at war. We have been at war since the Ukraine thing kicked off, and it. Since we started, since we've been funding it. But, like, what.

[Tim Pool]

How hard do you take it?

[Ian Crossland]

Because the whole world's watching. Everything's been recorded. Whatever he does will be precedent for what comes next.

[Tim Pool]

So if Joe Rogan had this. This clip from one of his last shows, and he was basically saying, there's a lot of people saying, just round them up, get them all out there, send them all to El Salvador. And it's wrong, because what happens when the next president gets in? Well, Joe is wrong. Joe is right about the fact that we can't just round people up and send them all off without due process. Right. But I think Joe doesn't understand one. The due process for illegal immigrants is literally ice checks your information, and then you leave. You don't get a hearing. This is not normal. Not every illegal immigrant gets hearings. That's the due process. The due process is. Are you a citizen? No. Goodbye.

[Ian Crossland]

They like give them a chance to go to their house and collect their.

[Tim Pool]

Stuff and then they're like, not, not expedited removals. Okay, Some. So if, if you enter illegally or with forged documents, it's expedited removal. You don't get a hearing. If you're here legally and then violate the terms of immigration, you can get a hearing, you can appeal, and then you've got. For the aea, which is accusing you of actually being part of a criminal organization, a terrorist organization. The Supreme Court says you must have an actual hearing for that. So if you want to get an appeal, it has to be. You are actually arguing that your legal immigration status is being wrongfully terminated or something. But here's the problem with what Joe is saying. This idea of the next president is going to do it to you. They already did.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The Biden administration stripped J6s of their due process rights, imprisoning people. The judges were denying their access to evidence. They were charged on false stat on, on, on. They were wrongly charged on false statutes. Let's just say this of the J6s who were charged for. For obstructing of an official proceeding, which I believe was maybe 20 or 20% or so or less. That charge was wrong. The Supreme Court said, you can't charge him with that. That's a violation of their due process. They were denied access to the surveillance footage from the Capitol. 41,000 hours was withheld for years with these people sitting in solitary confinement. That means every single J6ER had their due process rights violated because they're. They're supposed to have constitutionally access to the evidence. And that was denied to them until the Republicans got in and gave the tapes to Tucker Carlson. Then they were able to give the evidence. So the Biden administration has. The Democrats can and will violate your rights the moment they get power. So the question is, what is the Trump administration going to do right now? And it looks like they're going after leakers. And I'm hoping Cash and Dan actually do their jobs. But let's jump to this next story from Politico. Doge loses its biggest advocate as Musk exits Washington. I don't know if. I don't know if I believe it. Elon Musk claimed that his job in Washington is mostly done. May calm Tesla shareholders, but his departure could snap the Doge of its disruptive energy even as it continues to make major cuts to the federal workforce. An effort to reassure rattled Tesla shareholders after a bruising first quarter. Musk told investors this week that is Round the clock. Involvement in Doge will soon be scaled back to just a day or two per week. The message to the markets was clear. Musk is refocusing on his companies.

[Ian Crossland]

He's doing the math. So he's a special government employee, which means he's allowed to work 130 days a year. So he's already put in 90. He's got like 40 more days. He's actually allowed to work. So that's what he's doing. He's spreading out those days over the next year. He's going to come in once a week, check things out.

[Brad Skistimas]

How many days?

[Ian Crossland]

130.

[Brad Skistimas]

We're on what day? 92. 3. 93.

[Ian Crossland]

If he officially started on the 20th of January. Yeah, just about that. I didn't do the math exactly. Yeah, but he's. He knows he's coming up.

[Phil Labonte]

We've already passed the first hundred days. And if he's worked since. Since Trump has been in office, he's. He's definitely passed the first hundred days.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Okay. It makes sense that now he's stepping. I thought that's 94 days.

[Phil Labonte]

94 days, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We're at 94. And Elon started almost immediately. So he's. He's still got a couple months.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he's got about another 30. 30 days to work.

[Phil Labonte]

So he's gonna spread that out. He's been saying that, like May is when he was planning on leaving anyways. So it's close. It's around the time that he's been talking about leaving. So he's. He wasn't going to be there for, you know, extended periods of time.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know how he takes care of all those kids.

[Brad Skistimas]

I don't think he does Someone else. I don't think. I don't think that that's going on right now.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, I got one.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, and, you know, my wife is working extremely hard, and I'm. I'm working 10 hours, days, but I'm. But, you know, I'm up with what I can. And I'm. And how do you do more than one at a time? I mean, maybe once the first one's a little bit older and can help with the other one. But Elon's got 14 known kids.

[Brad Skistimas]

14 kids now, I think.

[Tim Pool]

I think it's 14.

[Phil Labonte]

You got a lot of nannies. And he's also like, the mothers take care of the kids. He doesn't like. Grimes takes care of the kids that Elon has, if I understand, except for X. Elon's One of the mothers is an executive at Neuralink, I believe, and she's in Texas with him. Then there's random other ones.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta say, as much as I do appreciate the tech work that he does, the Doge work that he does, you know, we'll do a compliment sandwich here. Elon SpaceX is fantastic. This work is transformative and it's great for humanity. Then we're gonna. I think his kids statistically will be drug users and criminals based on the fact that they don't have a dad. And then we'll finally, we'll say Tesla is an amazing company. I'm a huge fan. I own three. So we'll give him a compliment.

[Ian Crossland]

Something he said about his oldest. Was it his oldest kid? He said that he, he said that his son or his daughter became a transition sex. And then he said it was the woke mind virus had, had killed his child. And he was saying like, my child is dead. He was saying things like that. And that's like, firstly.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but they.

[Ian Crossland]

Parents don't say that about their kids unless you're not really their parent.

[Brad Skistimas]

That's okay to say, though, because they don't want you to. To what's called dead name them. So once they've made the transition, their old name is the dead name of them and if you use it, it's offensive to them. So for, for Elon is technically correct there in saying that his son is.

[Ian Crossland]

Dead, but that's like him accepting this narrative that my new name is real and my old name is no longer. It's like, bro, you're both, dude, you're still you.

[Phil Labonte]

That's. That's not how trans people think. And also that there's so much animosity between Elon's trans child and Elon. It's. It's like, it's not my business or whatever to comment on, but he's spoken very, very critically. Or they've both spoken very critically of each other.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel horrible trashing on anything Elon's doing because I'm with you on this, Tim. He's a phenomenal human being. And the great. A lot of the great people in history aren't known for their awesome personalities. They were dickheads or they were horrible abus, raging alcoholic, violent. But they've did amazing things for society. A lot of ward leaders, yeah, you.

[Tim Pool]

You, you, you, you praise the good, you, you criticize the bad. I mean, Trump's not known for being a strong family man, but he's got a good family. I mean, like, I Don't know how many baby mamas he's got, but. Right. He's routinely criticized how many Trump kids.

[Brad Skistimas]

Are really out there.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you know, I think. How many. He's got what, five kids?

[Ian Crossland]

I thought this today, but his kids.

[Tim Pool]

Are actually all pretty great, to be completely honest.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like having. Having met. Met them. They're successful, smart, well rounded. So he's done a good job despite this. I believe that you should be married once. You should not get divorced. You should have kids and you work together with your partner. I'm not a fan of divorce or multiple baby moms.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I was thinking about it today and this part because I listened to you talk more about that on a show that you were like death before dishonor and you pulled up the ring of power. I was like, yeah, the ring of power.

[Tim Pool]

My wedding ring.

[Ian Crossland]

They. That the world. Elon says the world needs more people. Okay. On its face. Yeah, I guess. But we don't need more psychopaths. So poorly raised children that can turn violent are actually worse for the planet.

[Tim Pool]

With the mental powers of Elon Musk.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, my gosh.

[Brad Skistimas]

You still need a foundation as a kid, though. Even if your dad's Elon Musk, you need that foundation to be secure for your. So otherwise, what, a 14, you know, half Elon Musk's that.

[Tim Pool]

Would it be like a wild story if Elon's transgender son ended up becoming like, a very prominent political leader with millions of followers rivaling the influence of Elon?

[Brad Skistimas]

Oh, shit.

[Tim Pool]

He's created.

[Brad Skistimas]

Don't give him any ideas. My father's problem left will do that tomorrow.

[Ian Crossland]

And I'm not saying that his kids are psychopaths. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying kids without parents turn out to be. Generally have a rougher existence of the world.

[Tim Pool]

Higher, Higher likelihood without a father specifically to be a criminal or drug user. That was the point I was making earlier.

[Ian Crossland]

And I don't think we necessarily need more fatherless. I mean, in a. In a world where there's no kids and it's a tribe of nine of us. Yeah. Have as many kids as you possibly can, whether you see them again or not. Like maybe fish in the water.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe that's Elon's mentality, considering the fertility is at like 1.3. And this is. This is a huge problem, people in this country.

[Brad Skistimas]

He's like, I'll take care of it. Here's 14.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, hey, he's pulling his weight. You know, I. I guess. I guess pomp and circumstances out the window when you're dealing with the. The extinction of humanity.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's be real. Like, it really does on the surface look like Elon's principal concern for everything is human extinction. That's why he wants to colonize Mars and why he wants many, many babies. He's like, there's not enough humans. Population is shrinking. I'm gonna do everything I can so he has tons of babies. Then he goes, if the Earth gets hit by. Hit by, like, an asteroid or something, humanity is wiped out, so we gotta colonize Mars. So we're interplanetary so we can't go extinct.

[Brad Skistimas]

And he's like, my kids first. So that's been his whole. That's his whole agenda the whole time is like, I'm gonna make a bunch of babies, then send them to space. And then it's like, not Mars anymore. It's like, Mars.

[Tim Pool]

Wouldn't that be, like, kind of. Kind of creepy, but also, like, really funny if, like, the first ship to Mars, he just abruptly, at the last minute, puts all of his kids on it and then sends it to Mars? And they're like, wait, those people weren't on the flight manifest. What are you doing? And he's like, my kids will survive. And they go to Mars. And then he just has like, a whole bunch of musks. Like, there's like 40 kids on Mars. They all related to him.

[Phil Labonte]

Optimus taking Optimus Roulettes, taking care of them.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, that's actually pretty crazy. If we. If we get those Optimus robots or not, like the Atlas robots, if we get autonomous robots, send them to Mars, they can start building.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, that's the. That's what his plan is. He literally said that neck. The end of next year, his plan is to have Optimus, a starship with Optimus robots, go to Mars. That's his goal. I don't know if he's going to make it because there's only. I think it's every two years. Is there a window to actually get to Mars? So if he misses this one, it's going to be another, you know, three years from now until they can actually get and try another, you know, make another attempt.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't he. Didn't he offer. Was it like $15 million, something? What was the. What was that story to Ashley Sinclair?

[Ian Crossland]

I was thinking about her just now. We were talking.

[Brad Skistimas]

He just posted today that we haven't been to Mars in, like, 55. Oh, sorry. We haven't been to the moon. We haven't been to the moon in 50. However many years it's been 55, something like that. That's been my thing with Elon. I'm like, why don't you just.

[Tim Pool]

You mean we've never been to the moon?

[Brad Skistimas]

Well, exactly. I'm like thinking like, oh, well, I'm not. Because I'm saying, how. Why doesn't he try to go to the moon first if. Why doesn't he just reach. That is where we plan.

[Tim Pool]

That is the plan. The plan is to establish a base on the moon which is the launching point for the trips to Mars.

[Ian Crossland]

That'd be cool because we can build a space elevator on the moon first. According to Michael Lane, who runs lift port, who's been working on a space elevator for 15 years out NASA. He said that the lunar gravity is so much lower that you can actually get a geosynchronous orbital platform up there and get a tether down to the lunar surface. So.

[Tim Pool]

And then what happens is like, here's the moon, here's the Earth, and there's a tether, but the tether isn't connected to the Earth. So as the moon spins around, there's this gigantic 30ft, 30 foot wide cable that just swings at like 500 miles an hour, just slamming into everything and just ripping it to shreds and destroying it.

[Phil Labonte]

Sick.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Ian Crossland]

The lunar tether. Yeah, you don't want to get snapped by that thing.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know how this elevator actually would work.

[Ian Crossland]

It would be like a platform with. Then it's more complex than this. But you could look up space elevator to get a good look, and then literally a tether down to a base station where it's tethered. And. And because it's.

[Tim Pool]

This would actually be like a relatively small cable or a series of cables.

[Ian Crossland]

I kind of envision like 60 different cables with 60 different elevators.

[Tim Pool]

Is the platform like, moving a thousand miles an hour through the atmosphere, moving.

[Ian Crossland]

Exactly the same speed they call geosynchronous because it's at the same spe rotation of the planet that.

[Tim Pool]

So basically it's just floating.

[Ian Crossland]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

And you just. You just like. Do you take a ship up to it?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. An elevator of some sort of use.

[Tim Pool]

Ballast connected to the Earth.

[Phil Labonte]

Wouldn't it have to be moving faster to stay over the same spot?

[Ian Crossland]

Probably, yeah. Moving a different speed to maintain.

[Tim Pool]

But it's orbital to the moon.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

By tether. Yeah, by two.

[Tim Pool]

So we're literally. You're saying we're connecting the moon to the Earth?

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, the moon to A platform above the moon about 30 miles up or something. And then, then there'll be a plat. Eventually a platform above Earth with a tether down to the Earth. So you'd go from platform to platform so you wouldn't have to get through gravity every time you launch, you just basically.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I see. So we have like on Earth there's a massive tower that goes into space.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Probably like I, I think 60 different elevators all at once. So a huge like, you know, football field, 10 football field size place in Mexico or something where it's close enough right at the right position. There's areas of Earth where geosynchronicity becomes viable. Like, and they're usually just above and below the equator. So like Mexico would be a good spot.

[Tim Pool]

That's why we do our launches out of Florida. Closer to the equator is better. More speed.

[Ian Crossland]

I've been ever since civilization. When I saw the space elevators, one of the wonders you could build, I was. I didn't even never heard of it. But. So we're gonna do that on the moon.

[Tim Pool]

It's. So my daughter is going to. I was explaining this to my wife that one of her homeschooling assignments is going to be one hour of civilization for every day.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I heard. The new one's terrible.

[Tim Pool]

Leonard Nimoy explaining science and math to my child, though.

[Ian Crossland]

That's awesome. New one apparently is no good. I was just thinking about Ashley Sinclair again. Do you guys want to. I don't.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like her privacy, but here we go. We got the story for the New York Times. What is Dark Woke? Democrats are trying on a new attitude. It's provocative, edgy, and perilously toeing the line of not being too offensive. In other words, cringe, cringe. Basically the. The Dark Woke videos is literally just them cussing like because they don't understand authenticity. Quote, Republicans have essentially put Democrats in a respectability prison, says Bhavik Lathia communications consultant and former digital director for the Wisconsin Democratic Party. There's an extreme imbalance in strategy that allows Republicans to say stuff that really grabs voters attention. Where we are stuck saying boring pablum. I see this as a strategic shift within the Democratic messaging. I'm a big fan of Dark Woke. Okay, let me. It's a dark woke. Okay, let me explain something to you. When I say something like, if I criticize Elon, Elon still follows me. And if I criticize a prominent conservative, they just debate me. But on the left, when you disagree with them, they destroy your life. So that means there's more opportunity for people on the right to experiment with, commit with, with, to say their ideas. Not even experiment, but someone on the right can say something like, right, I think we should build an alligator moat on the, on the border. If a conservative came out right now and said, I'm dead serious, I want an alligator moat along the southern border, no one's going to cancel that person. If on the left you said something more extreme, like, we should, you know, we should just cut out all of the trans stuff because it's hurting us politically, they will cancel you. This is the problem with the left not swearing. So now you got all these videos where, like, one woman screaming, this is both. And she's in Congress saying BS over and over again, like, that's not authenticity. They're trying to appear like they're normal people by swearing instead of just saying what people think. So I got to tell you, when people all kind of think something and you say it, they laugh and go, yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But if they, if they're thinking of something and then you lie to them and then swear, they don't all of a sudden just agree with you.

[Ian Crossland]

One of the things that's. That's a good point, a great point. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

[Tim Pool]

You catch more flies with shit.

[Ian Crossland]

That's also probably true, I think. Jordan. This is a fascinating thing about Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan's show. I watched about an hour of it is Jordan was saying the. He's thinking about tyranny a lot, and he's like, what's the opposite of tyranny? And he came up with, it's play. It's. It's play. It's. It's playing. That's where it's consensual. And it's brings about this, like, kind of growth for people. Kids do it, and I think that's what's on the right in the conservative movement. It's fun, it's playful. Even Donald Trump is playful. He winks and points at people. He's not taking anything too seriously, like, deathly serious. Of course, deadly serious. Because it's. The world is prostrate in front of us Americans. We need to help, but they're also having fun. And the left, in this other environment, it's like, it's just not okay to have fun right now because everybody's hurting and we need to just suffer with me. Suffer. And, bro, you need to get out of that tyrannical mindset.

[Brad Skistimas]

I don't know how to relate. They're just so detached from the real world that this is the kind of stuff that they come up with. And it's usually a weird spin off of like, Dark came from Dark Brandon. And then they took. Or was it Dark Brandon? Yeah, and then, and then. But. But the conservative right came up with the dark thing and then they took it and turned it.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, Dark Maga.

[Brad Skistimas]

It was Dark Maga. And then it became Dark Brandon and they put the laser eyes on. On Joe Biden and now they're turning it into dark woke joke. And they think that that's relatable.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. It's not.

[Brad Skistimas]

We're gonna say cuss words now.

[Ian Crossland]

This one was popular. Use it again.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

No, it's not. You gotta actually play. You gotta, you gotta show that there's joy at the other side of the road, man, or no one's gonna walk away.

[Brad Skistimas]

I know what joy is, though. That's the thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Like those people.

[Tim Pool]

Look, aren't you feeling joy?

[Brad Skistimas]

Don't you feel the joy?

[Tim Pool]

This is. Praise God. This is what I was saying about Jimmy Dore in the previous segment. He's right wing. It's like, why is he. Why are, why are the left call Jimmy Dore right?

[Ian Crossland]

Because he's outside their bubble.

[Tim Pool]

Because he, because he's talking about what is true and what is not. It's not about whether you're for laissez faire capitalism or socialism or racial identitarianism or whatever, be it left or right or anti white or pro white. It's literally, do you march in lockstep with us or not? So to, to be authentic. And on the right, you can literally give any opinion so long as your facts are rooted in reality, because that's what tethers the right together. Oh, yes. Trump did not say very fine people. You know, he didn't call Nazis very fine people. That never happened. You can then criticize him saying, I don't think he did enough in response to this. And the response from a conservative is going to say, well, I disagree. I think he did what he could by condemning it and people are allowed to protest. No, no, you're wrong. But we agree on what the fact is. And the fact is Trump never said that to the left. How do you have an authentic conversation when you have to maintain lies and everyone else knows you're lying? You're going to come out and say, Trump was wrong for saying Nazis are fine people and they're going to go, he never said that. Whoa, you're a Right wing. Why are you defending Trump? And it's like, because this is not true.

[Brad Skistimas]

Well, that's what I was asking about with that first guy that was on recorded for O'Keefe Media is when he says what he says about Trump fixing the election or he was trying to overthrow the election. He's taking a narrative that was all agreed upon on that side and feeding it some more. And that's why I'm like, do they, do they really. Do they just have a psychological thing in them that says, okay, this is the narrative now and I will stick with it even in personal one on one conversations. And we'll just keep pretending that this is the narrative or how does it get there? You know what I mean?

[Tim Pool]

I think that's it.

[Brad Skistimas]

I think they just slide into the.

[Ian Crossland]

Narrative and go, my food from. So I'm gonna define like, tell me.

[Tim Pool]

To say this guy's just trying to get laid.

[Brad Skistimas]

There's that too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Imagine, imagine talking about subverting the will of the American people and potentially committing crimes because you're trying to hook up with some chick.

[Brad Skistimas]

Hey, baby.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's, that's the joke about James O'Keefe we always bring up. It's like these guys think they're going to get some by going like, hey, you want to hear, hear about some corporate malfeasance I'm involved in?

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And no, I think it's like a form of. I don't know if psychopathy is the right word. Psychopathy, it's a, it's a buzzword these days. You know, Jordan talking about psychopaths, but.

[Tim Pool]

That we as humans about Candace Owens and he's mad at him.

[Ian Crossland]

We got to get into like states of psychopathy to do certain behaviors like wartime war fighting. If you, if you believe your neighborhood is going to be destroyed by some external tribe and they're going to kill everyone you know, and you, you have to go fight them. That's ancient history. And you have to be the most ruthless aggressive to stop it. And that is like, you got to switch your brain and be like, they're bad. I'm. What I am is good because it will preserve life. And it's that that phenomenon still exists in humanity. And I think it's showing up in people like this, they're like, they create this narrative or narrative is foist upon them and then they, they think this good and evil binary, you know, fight or flight. It's like a, it's a very primal.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah, well, a lot of, A lot of what happened and where we're at now with stuff like this is you. You mentioned Jimmy Dore. He became right throughout Covid. And that Nazi narrative came out through Covet. It was hammered every day. If you don't adhere to the COVID narrative, then you are on that side and that side turned into conservative right wing. And so I can tell you from going to so many rallies and events that were against those, those times, those events were filled with people from every side of the coin. And it was a mix of people. It wasn't a conservative right event. It was, you know, Democrats, Libertarians, right. We said we're coming together for a common cause, but the left is.

[Phil Labonte]

Is dictating who is. Or in this context, the left is dictating who is and is not right wing. And essentially they're just saying that it's people that don't align with us, that don't follow our. Whether it be the liberal orthodoxy like Tim talks about, whether it's. They don't follow the same kind of lockstep with the same kind of ideas and stuff. That's why you saw people at these rallies that were so very different, you know, politically from different backgrounds. It was just someone that stepped out of line. And so now Jimmy Dore steps out of line. So they say you're other. You're outside of. You're not in our in group anymore. So we'll call you all the names, but there's no substance to anything they're talking about.

[Brad Skistimas]

So what's the question is what. Where does that come from? What's the genesis of that? When those narratives come through, who came up with woke dark?

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, what is this dark woke someone who's an idiot.

[Brad Skistimas]

That came from somewhere though, right? And every time it came from the.

[Phil Labonte]

Dark Brandon memes, they thought, apparently they feel like that it's just derivative.

[Tim Pool]

It was Dark Maga and it was Trump with glowing red eyes. And they're like, yeah, well, we're Dark Brandon. And now it's dark woke. They're just ripping off the right every day. What people need to realize is that the left didn't know how to meme. Like when, when the meme. When memes emerged, it was all right wing because right wing people didn't care about offending anybody to a certain degree, that Democrats were too afraid to offend people. So this means that online people were making Pepe memes and some were extremely offensive intentionally, and people thought it was funny to be shockingly offensive. And the left was like, we can't do that. We can't do that. So then all the memes started emerging, came out of four chan and the Trump. The. The Donald was the name of the subreddit. It. That's where memes were largely originating from. The left has started to learn how to meme a little bit by attacking the right, but it is derivative of memes the right created a long time ago, like wojacks, for instance, were a 4chan thing largely. And they're now trying to adopt that it's all derivative. They can't come up with anything original. They are NPC muppets that are struggling to figure out what they represent, and that's why the party has no leadership.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. If you ask someone to prove some of the stuff they say about Trump, and they have to, their evidence is the TV told me that's not very good. And I think what's happening is they're defending what they think is the American way of life, whether, whatever. They think that if we just hold on to this narrative that we're being told, everything will continue on as normal. But, like, do you think we can have American hegemony or maybe even should in a world where we don't control and manipulate people with the media aggressively like they have been for 100 years? Can we. A genuine question to all you guys. I don't know if without manipulating the populace to fall in line, can you actually have statehood hegemony across the planet?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you need. It used to be church. The church was largely aligned and everybody went to church. So they lived in a similar moral worldview. Now with mass media, you had the big broadcast hours and everyone lived in a similar moral worldview. There were a lot of voices and dissidents. They just didn't have an opportunity to broadcast. They'd flyer and stuff. But now we're in the decentralized media space and creepos and crackpots are finding ways to build community and spread a message that is disruptive to the United States. The problem the US has is that, you know, when we were hearing about this narrative about Russia and how it was propping up Trump in his first term, largely not true. And I'd say arguing based on their own, the evidence from the DOJ and all the stuff that the Democrats were putting out, a hundred thousand dollars in total, was spent on trying to influence various people. And they had a few Facebook pages that weren't particularly successful. However, the US Is inundated by a general mass influx from global voices. So how does most of the world feel about a certain issue? They'll go on X. You won't know they're not American and they'll tell you. And people are starting, because of X, to align their opinions with a. With a global or international opinion as opposed to an American one. But Trump, and Trump's base has largely been resistant of that. And so that's why we're seeing this pushback. A reason, I think. I think if you were to actually break it down and you went to, like Hassan Piker, for instance, I'd be willing to bet he has a larger percentage of foreign followers than, say, Steven Crowder does. Steven Crowder's followers are probably almost entirely American. And Hassan probably has a decent spattering of European, Canadian, Middle Eastern followers as well, especially with the Israel commentary that he has. I'd be willing to bet that he's got a substantial portion of his viewerships coming from the Middle east from like Arabic and Muslim.

[Ian Crossland]

Hassan is his name, which may. He's Turkish, I think, descent. So maybe there's that too. Total assumption. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised.

[Phil Labonte]

Turkish. Let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this clip. Ladies and gentlemen, I have bad news. I'm a freak. I'm a freak. Scott Jennings has the clip. He says posting a longer clip than usual. Big discussion on State of the Media last night. Trust is so low. But there's a way to fix it, make a better product. And I strongly defend new media sources against attacks. They are freaks. Worth the watch from CNN, 10:00pm last night. Well, normally I wouldn't want to watch CNN, but Jeff Jarvis, who I know who is. I would consider him to be an ideological driven individual, an activist masquerading as a journalist, is calling the White House press a freak show. The night that I, the day that I went there, he goes on TV and then says it's a freak show. Here's the clip.

[Ian Crossland]

The problem is that the right wing. Hello, Scott. Has taken advantage of this situation. I think quite cleverly, quite wisely, they've played into a weakness.

[Tim Pool]

What situation?

[Ian Crossland]

The situation of media being under attack. And so they've created a situation. You've almost got it.

[Tim Pool]

Keep going. What the right wing is taking advantage of is finally the American people saying enough is enough. They're tired of feeling like the mass media screens out one viewpoint versus another and political coverage. They're tired of media institutions favoring one party over another. They're tired of narratives over factual stories. If I had any advice for 60 Minutes or anybody else, it would be just cover the news and try to be fair about it. And stop putting your fingers on the scale, especially during.

[Ian Crossland]

That's that you're, you're, you're talking about the old mass media myth that you.

[Tim Pool]

Could have this thing that was in the middle.

[Ian Crossland]

The Walter Cronkite saying, that's the way it is when it wasn't for many Americans, the way it was when people were pissed off.

[Tim Pool]

People back in those days, you trusted the media, didn't they?

[Ian Crossland]

No, they just couldn't be heard because there was no two way. Now we have the Internet.

[Tim Pool]

Look at the Gallup polling. It was here and now it's here. It's fallen off of a cliff. Yeah, we do have, we do have that Gallup polling about terrible. Look at that in media. And now as in recent years. And a lot of this is driven by the rhetoric on your side. You think it's driven by the rhetoric and not the performance. Absolutely. My point is this. If you're. Well, I actually agree with Heavy Phillips is written by the rhetoric, the rhetoric of truth. When you're saying things like the very fine people. Hoax. It was a hoax. Trump never said that. We had a. We had a journalist on the show just a couple days ago, Tara Palmeri, who after 10 years, it's been, it's been eight years, she still didn't know this. Trump never called Nazis very fine people. She thought he did now. And I would simply question with that.

[Phil Labonte]

Information, she pushed back on the idea that there was anyone there worth defending.

[Tim Pool]

I just, I question why someone purported to be a journalist never actually watched the video or read the transcript. She just believed it.

[Ian Crossland]

If you don't know it's there, you don't even know how to look for it.

[Tim Pool]

Scott, what do you mean? If someone says to me, tim, did you hear that Trump punched a baby? I'll say, prove it. I'll say, show me the video, show me the transcript. And I want sources. I will literally say, source. Where are you getting that from? I want evidence that happened. So on this show, we do our best, but nobody's perfect. And I'll even give that credit to two corporations. Sometimes they get things wrong unintentionally. They largely intentionally make things false. The Covington smear. Not a single one of these people decided to actually look at what happened with the Covington kids. And we're going back wait years. But now the Maryland man.

[Ian Crossland]

I got to talk about that. Okay. If I see both sides of this Maryland man thing, if I moved to California and some shit went down and.

[Tim Pool]

Where are you from?

[Ian Crossland]

Ohio. But I'm From Maryland. Because I live Maryland.

[Tim Pool]

You're not from Maryland.

[Ian Crossland]

Someone asked me, where are you from? If I was in Germany and they're like, where are you from? I'd say Maryland.

[Tim Pool]

No, you wouldn't.

[Ian Crossland]

Because that's where I came from.

[Tim Pool]

That's not true.

[Ian Crossland]

Because I moved around so much. I would tell people I'm from LA when I lived in la, when they would ask, where are you from? I'm from la. I've been there seven years.

[Tim Pool]

You are one of the raider people who does that.

[Ian Crossland]

If I went to California and there was an article written and something happened and they were like, california, man. Something, something. Yeah, that's the meme. You can move to Florida. You're a Florida man. Dave, what's his name does.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no.

[Ian Crossland]

Anyway, that's the. That's your wrong state of mind. Is they.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, it's not.

[Ian Crossland]

You can write it up as such. If I'm residing.

[Tim Pool]

You're lying to people. Well, these people.

[Ian Crossland]

This guy's in El Salvadorian and they're intentionally trying to spin it like he's an American, Maryland dude.

[Tim Pool]

Point. So they're intentionally lying. They're pushing a hoax. And Hassan Piker. Did you notice Hassan did not know the guy was from El Salvador? One of the. One of the most prominent leftist dreamers, speaking to millions of people. And in his mind, he saw that. He saw cnn, he saw abc, he saw these outlets. And he was like, this guy's from Maryland. I can't believe Trump would deport him. I would be as mad. As mad at Trump as he was if I thought Trump took a guy from Maryland and sent him to a foreign country. That's not what happened.

[Ian Crossland]

Should have said El Salvadorian man residing in Maryland. It should have said that.

[Tim Pool]

That's what the New York Times said today. And I said, thank you, despite the fact that they're lying about everything else.

[Ian Crossland]

So it's like the whole thing, they're like, we weren't lying. He was residing in Maryland, therefore Maryland man, I get it. But you were intentional. This was a thing about a guy that was deported to El Salvador and he was El Salvadorian. You can't leave that out.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he was Trump with a heart twice as big. He brought Garcia home. Thank you, Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

Thank you for letting me.

[Tim Pool]

Let me play the rest of this clip. Because Jarvis calls us freaks, CBS or any other news outlet. The reason that you have lost trust ought to be obvious to you. And the way to fix it also ought to be obvious to you. And it has Nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with the product. Just try to make a better product that appeals to more people. And the way you appeal to more people is by not crapping on half or more than half of the country because of their values and political views. I think that that is what you'd.

[Ian Crossland]

End up with in that press room then is, and these are my words, the freak show that you had. Trump wants. Trump tries to devalue media. Why should we value his freak show there? Let's leave it to the freaks.

[Tim Pool]

I think telling them, leave it to the freaks. I don't think there's any disagreement on that, by the way.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, he called, he called these new media sources the freak show.

[Tim Pool]

They're not freaks. They have audiences. They have audiences. And there's a reason that they're thriving is because people are starved for information that they think they can trust.

[Ian Crossland]

They're not freaks.

[Tim Pool]

They're filling a need in this country, in my opinion. He said they're freaks. So why do these freaks have more viewership, more long, further reach? It's because that is the elitist disdain they have for each and every one of you. To those of you who are loyal viewers of Tim Cast irl, I saw many of you were posting messages thanking me for being there and congratulating me for being there. Some people were saying, how dare you, Tim, not wear a suit? I got those messages too. But the people who watch the show watch it because you trust us. Like Scott Jennings says, we fill a need. This show only has an audience because we must be doing something right. We have made a good product. I read the news all day, every day. I do a morning show. If I don't do the morning show, I don't got nothing for the nightly show. It's very hard to do Tim Cast IRL because the pre production and research is my morning show. I read hundreds of articles every day. I'm reading tweets, I'm watching videos, I'm fact checking things. And then when it comes to Tim Cast irl, I largely have read everything in the day and I have a general idea of what these stories are. Jeff Jarvis doesn't do anything. He's a professor at a university. He doesn't actually work in media and he's calling all of us freaks. The people in that room are uncurious. They don't fact check. They don't know that Trump never called Nazis. Very fine people. They don't know that Abrego Garcia is from El Salvador and they don't bother to investigate. And I'll say this too, as much as a lot of people were very much entertained by Atar's appearance and I very much enjoyed the conversation and the arguments and the debate. She did not know what was in the Signal Gate texts, okay? Her, her understanding of these stories as a, as a Brooklyn based journalist is surface level. We've gone over those texts thousands of times. Like, not literally thousands, you know what I mean? We've done the stories over and over and over again. So when I'm having a conversation about them, I'm like, I think I had to read Those things like 15 times within an hour. From sourcing the story and trying to understand it, to reading it during the show, to sharing with other people, to explaining to those who are going to be editing or putting a clips together or something like that, what part of the. I'm reading the text over and over and over again. And so when it comes to a conversation, I'm like, I know what's in those texts. I know it was said. I could probably paraphrase each text. I've read it so much. These journalists that are in the White House, they show up and their editors like, ask her about this and they go, okay. And then they don't even know what they're talking about. That's normal to these people. But when anybody with an opposing viewpoint is finally led in to the elites, it's a freak show. But I would like to say this. I want to give a heartfelt thank you to Jeff Jarvis for everything he's done to help me in my career. The advice he had given me at the start of my career was invaluable. His invitation to the Knight foundation award ceremony at CUNY was an honor, and I will never forget that moment. Jeff, if it wasn't for you, this wouldn't be possible. That day I sat in the White House was thanks to you.

[Phil Labonte]

It's awesome.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd like to see that guy here and just to let him say it. Well, firstly, when you talk about journalism, not all journalists are researchers. And that's sorely lacking in this industry at the moment. I believe most, a lot of journalists will just repeat things that they see. That's not real research. That's not research.

[Tim Pool]

But understand what you just said.

[Ian Crossland]

I could just pick up a journal and start journaling and then all of a sudden I'm a journalist. Come on. But you got to do research.

[Tim Pool]

Journalists literally, in the name represents those who are writing things down, storing facts and keeping journals, logs of what is going on? That's not what journalists do anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it'll be like, I saw it on tv. And then they'll write it down and then they'll talk, still say it as if it's real without actually researching where they hurt. The TV heard it. You know, you got to go deep if you want to, with confidence, explain.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah, but why would they do that? Because what they're going after is clicks. You know, that's their problem right now is that they're after whatever can generate them, their ad rev. Right. So that's why they don't bother looking back. It's whatever the headline says to generate those ad rev clicks.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, that's totally true, but the. What they're actually looking for is some kind of inflammatory headline that will just like you said, generate clicks, but also will satisfy their. The preconceptions of their. Their viewership. Their viewership. They know what they're looking for. CNN knows exactly their. What their viewers want, the viewership that they've. They've built. Same thing with msnbc, same thing with Fox. And they want. They make sure that their stories are going to feed people what they want to hear.

[Brad Skistimas]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

You know?

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah. And the question is, where does that, where does the genesis of each one of those little narratives come from? Because at some point it slips in and then it, then the monster grabs a hold of it and continue. It continues to spread, right? It's like. But even in, in this clip with this guy here, what you're watching is a little football match, right? He. We have one person on offense from the other side, and he put them in their place pretty good. But they have no willingness to say to themselves, you know what, maybe we did mess up a little bit along the way.

[Tim Pool]

It's it.

[Brad Skistimas]

You heard her, she goes, you know, and it's all because of you guys. And that's the problem. Every single time. It's, it's never. Nobody in the media is willing to do that is to go, you know what?

[Tim Pool]

Maybe in their minds they're thinking, if you would just shut up and let us lie. They have no choice but to watch. That's. That's how they think.

[Phil Labonte]

You know, there was a time when the narrative spread by the news, even Fox News included, it was all essentially the same narrative, right? Like the Iraq war. Like going into the Iraq war. It was the same stuff from 2000 until probably 2008. 9. It was the same thing from basically every news channel.

[Ian Crossland]

And now you got the people are ins. That was when we were just being fed news until Internet video and now we're feeding it as well. And that's, I guess, the freaky part. Yeah, we're. We're the media. This is media. YouTube's the biggest news media channel on in the world.

[Tim Pool]

So let's stop talking about people who can't get any ratings and talk about people who do. We got this tweet from the vigilant Fox. Jordan Peterson just dropped a chilling warning. Psychopaths are taking over the right. Let me play this clip for you from the Joe Rogan experience where Jordan Peterson warns Pharisees psychopaths. He's talking about Candace Owens, but listen to what he says.

[Jordan Peterson]

I think that virtualization has enabled the psychopaths.

[Ian Crossland]

Without a doubt.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah, well, without a doubt that's a terrible thing because the psychopathic types, they're always the death of everything. Like I'm seeing this come up on the right now. So imagine, imagine this. I've been working on a new, a new theory of political psychopathology and I like it quite a lot.

[Ian Crossland]

Is this where the term the woke, Right.

[Tim Pool]

Comes in? Yeah.

[Jordan Peterson]

Well, Lindsay is pointing at that, but he hasn't got, he hasn't got the diagnosis exactly right. So it isn't woke. That's not the issue. It's not exactly.

[Phil Labonte]

He's one level talking about is like.

[Ian Crossland]

Similar types of behavior.

[Jordan Peterson]

He is talking about that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

No, what he's pointing woke just lets you clarify in your head. Oh, it's like that.

[Jordan Peterson]

Yeah. But the problem is like antifa. Absolutely. But the problem is, is that that argument is predicated on the claim that the ideas are the problem. Like the woke ideas, for example, on the right or the left. But that's not the problem. The problem is that 4 to 5% of the population, something like that is cluster B, that's the dsm. Five terms, histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic, or they have. And they have dark tetrad traits. They're Machiavellian, they're sadistic. That's about 4%. Okay, so the question is, how do these people maneuver? And the answer is they go to where the power is and they adopt those ideas and they put themselves even on the forefront of that. But the ideas are completely irrelevant.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Jordan Peterson]

All they're doing is they're the Pharisees. They're the modern version of the Pharisees. They're the people who use God's name in vain.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Jordan Peterson]

As they proclaim moral virtue.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Jordan Peterson]

Doesn't matter whether it's right or left or Christian or Jewish or Islamic, they invade the idea space and then they use that. Those ideas as false weapons to advance their narcissistic advantage.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Jordan Peterson]

And so then you have the problem and the right's gonna face this more and more particularly because the left had to face it when they were in powers.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes.

[Jordan Peterson]

How do you identify the psychopathic parasites, 4% of the population who are clothed in your clothing and waving your flag, but who are. Who are only in it for narcissistic benefit?

[Tim Pool]

So the interesting thing is the. What he's describing has been described by many people going back, like 10 years ago when we had conversations about the corporate press, that activists masquerading as journalists was the phrase that I used a long time ago. These are people who are politically motivated and they are using the institutions of journalism to advance their political goals, exactly as Jordan Peterson describes. However, the issue I take with what he's doing is he's really just beefing with Candace Owens. Here's a tweet from a month ago where he said, candace Owens is a true pharisaical pretender. She vociferously proclaims her devotion to Christ for no other reason that to elevate her perceived status. Her outrage is designed not to shout the truth from the rooftops, build bridges or make peace, but to subvert Christianity itself with its new force to her own purpose. She is literally using God's name in vain. There are few more unforgivable sins.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And what he's. I think what he's saying is if Candace were to make a post and I was going to go through her stuff and look for a moment that maybe she did this, a post that's very full of vitriol, anger at someone, and then finish that text off with, and by the way, Christ is king. It's like that's using the Lord's name in vain. Don't do evil, and then exclaim God.

[Tim Pool]

She doesn't do that.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think.

[Tim Pool]

I don't. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

That's why I wanted to go through.

[Tim Pool]

This conversation a while ago, because Jordan Peterson, along with some other experts, dropped this report where they were like, look at the people who use crisis King as a troll or whatever. And they included Jack Posobic. But they. I don't think they accused Jack Bosobic of doing this. They said he was using it intentionally, but they accused Candace Owens of doing it. And I'm like, look, if you want to argue that she is like a cutthroat business person, who's just trying to build a business. Fine. But she's. She's not doing that. She's. I would argue that if he's referring to her as a, as a powerful psychopath who is able to amass this massive platform and steal power, whatever. He's effectively arguing at the same time. She's not stupid enough to fall into dumb traps like trolling people by saying Christ is king. I genuinely think she just believes it and she tweets it on. On her posts. What the issue I see here is that Jordan Peterson is, is veiling his anger with Candace Owens in some. We have to be mad at all the psychopaths on Joe Rogan to create this new narrative. And it's a part of. It's. It's, it's. He appeared on Fox News saying something similar where they've got this report that I've heard. I think Jack Basilica was tweeting this. I should pull it up that they're working with the Anti Defamation League and they're it. He's. He's. He's go. I. I tweeted. Who are you talking about? Because if, if Jordan Peterson really is just mad at Candace Owens and believes she's a Pharisee, then I take issue with him going on Joe Rogan and saying, watch out for all these psychopaths who do these things. And I'm like, bro, you're literally just describing your tweet to Candace Owens.

[Ian Crossland]

I think it's important to realize that every human has psychopathic tendency and potential to act without the, the concern of others. To, to do what you do may have collateral damage, harm others, and it just doesn't matter because you got to get it done. That's like wartime mentality. You can switch into a psychopathic mentality. It's, it's, it's okay. It doesn't make you an evil person. Sometimes people extol psychopathic behaviors and they're not evil. They just do it. And it's like, I didn't. I need to know when I'm doing it personally. So I keep myself in check. And I think he's coming on being like, look, you guys have all the power right now, and do not let obsession with fame force you into something. Start talking about something you're not interested in. And then all of a sudden, now this is your big agenda. Now you're popular. Like you said, it's not about the what. It's about how people hijack the narrative for their own what he said narcissistic, which is where it's really about, you know, me and how can I, how can I get society to serve me that behavior? We all got to keep ourselves in check.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't, I don't have a great analysis of, of actually what Peterson's getting at, but I don't get the sense that it's just about Candace Owens. I think that he's speaking more broadly about, about the people that are it, that tend to be critical of Israel and stuff. But again, I don't have, I don't have some kind of overarching theory as to what he's getting at. I just think that he's, he's usually, he's been fairly good at articulating his position and being, being forthright about what he's saying. So I don't get the, I don't get, I don't get the sense that he's kind of hiding behind just saying, oh, you know, talking about psychopaths, meaning one specific person. I think he's probably thinking more broadly.

[Ian Crossland]

He did bring up the Israel stuff. Anti Semitism he brought up is like one of the modern topics that are being latched onto by people that might be exhibiting psychopathic behaviors and then they're running with that narrative, making a lot of money, building their own echo chamber. But that kind of led me astray in that I don't think he gets the Israel thing if he thinks that people complaining about, you know, Israel's military tactics, they didn't get too deep into what anti Semitism even meant in that context. But he, he did bring that up. We should have him on. He said he wanted to come do the show.

[Tim Pool]

Cernovich took a quote from Arne McIntyre and it's a great point, says Peterson is correct that as the right gains momentum, the truly power obsessed narcissists will move there. I wonder if there's a group of high status liberals who have made that journey recently and are now trying to take that power quote from r. Names.

[Ian Crossland]

Of people that can't come to mind. But I don't know, Gavin.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that he's talking about the IDW people.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

I was thinking of Chris Cuomo, of course.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, no, yeah, right, right. Indirectly, yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, so that Chris Cuomo is probably. Chris Cuomo fits the description. But I think that they were specifically thinking of the actual IDW people.

[Tim Pool]

The, the, the question is largely when did an individual shift their political views? So you have that woman, I forgot her name. Was it Lindy Lee or something? Is that the woman where she was like a Democrat fundraiser. And then after Trump lost, she immediately was like, I'm not a Democrat anymore. And now she got roasted by Wade Stotts on the Will Kane show, which was absolutely hilarious, but she's like a lifelong Democrat, and then said she voted for Kamala. And then afterwards, the criticism is, there were people who were die hard, you know, ride or die Democrat liberals. Or how about this? He's probably referring to Eric Weinstein, who refused to endorse Trump, saying, oh, woe is me. I can't do it. Trump is so bad. And then there were people who very early on were, there were, there were two spaces of which obviously I fall into one of them, which is the stop making me defend Trump. This was the, this was the period where it was like, I'm not a big fan of his policies, but you're lying about him. Stop lying about the guy. And then I was backing Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang, and when they lost, I said that I'm voting for Trump. But there are, there are some people that only after Trump won in November did they actually switch and say they were for Trump. But more importantly, there are a prominent group of liberal personalities who pretend like they are anti establishment or heterodox, but refuse to endorse Trump or call out the Democratic Party for their ridiculous ideologies, like sex changing kids or all that stuff. Stuff. Jordan Peterson is being effectively criticized in that regard for essentially being part of that group.

[Ian Crossland]

That you're saying that in addition to what he's talking about, he's.

[Tim Pool]

Also being criticized for R.N. mcIntyre's post. Oh, okay. When he says, I wonder if there's a group of high status liberals who have made that journey. What he's pointing out is that Peterson is saying on the Joe Rogan podcast, as the right becomes ascendant, psychopaths will seek to move into the right to gain political power. Probably why Bill Maher all of a sudden was like, you know, Trump's not that bad. I mean, he's not perfect. But maybe I was wrong. And Charlamagne, the God said the same thing. You know, maybe Trump's not a fascist. It's like, oh, we realized that we were on the wrong side of history. Better flip flop, maybe.

[Ian Crossland]

But a lot of people too are just realizing the problem was the deep state, you know, takeover of the US and they're, they're like, actually, I'm with Trump now.

[Tim Pool]

And you. And you think just on November 6th, they just had the epiphany.

[Ian Crossland]

That would be a weird day. To have it.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. So I think is most of these people were like, I'm gonna wait and see who wins and then back the winner.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And there were other people who came out and said, I'll stick my neck out and support what I think is right.

[Ian Crossland]

Those people that are like falsely. That jump ship. That's a little different. I think that might be a psycho, psychopathic behavior trait I don't know. I don't know enough about.

[Tim Pool]

Hence the point that Orin McIntyre is flipping onto Peterson, what Peterson is saying about Candace Owens. Now we can, we can discuss Candace Owens past. He was like a liberal a long time ago, but then she.

[Ian Crossland]

Red pill black. That was her.

[Tim Pool]

It's a long time ago.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I guess people. She had been accused of like doxing conservative or something. But then she had a moment where she flipped. She explained it and she's been steadfastly on the right for what, like eight years or something? Or longer. She's been, she's at a prominent show and she largely says what she says. And I gotta be honest, she gets roasted for a lot of the opinions he has, which are anything but standard. I'll call it that. Yeah, she's got like, for real, like, she's. Yeah, well, I know that's funny, but she's got, she's got opinions that are not like typical mainstream, safe opinions to have. She just does her thing and criticize her. Totally fine. You're allowed to do that. Jordan Peterson is basically pointing to himself in this regard. Now, I like Jordan. I think he's an all right dude. But I think it is fair to point out that a lot of these IDW guys would not get behind Trump. Trump with full support, argued against him and are trying to pretend like they're on our side.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look, they, I'm not so sure that this revolt hasn't much to do with Trump. I think that they probably have a, an idea of, you know, what is acceptable politics and they think that Trump kind of falls outside of it. They have their problems with the left or with Democrats, and so they, but they don't feel comfortable, you know, aligning with Trump because they say that Trump there. They feel like Trump is unacceptable. I think that's probably an uncontroversial opinion to have. Not about Trump. I'm, I'm talking about the analysis. But I don't know, I don't know if it's, if it's something that is, you know, particularly broad or if it's just a very narrow handful of People that it kind of doesn't really matter.

[Ian Crossland]

I felt that personally, I felt that I talked about it on the show last year, that it was like, man, if I just start talking about that, I'm gonna vote for Trump's gonna piss a bunch of people off from my past. And then I had to just get over it. I had to get over it. You gotta be, you know, you gotta care about the community first and not my personal.

[Tim Pool]

That, that's, that's, that's really the concern that I've seen from a lot of conservatives. The question is, were you willing to stick your neck out even a little bit to get behind what is right? And there were a lot of people that would not do it.

[Ian Crossland]

It.

[Tim Pool]

They'd privately be like, these celebrities, dude, they go, hey, I'm actually going to vote for Trump because I can't tell anybody. And I'd be like, bro, screw you, don't tell me that. Like, I have, I have, I have, I disrespect, I have less respect for you for doing that. Yeah, you, like musicians and actors and athletes have messaged me in private, being like, hey, man, I love what you do. It's super cool. I'm definitely voting for Trump. I just can't say anything because I don't lose my job. And I'm like, so I should risk everything for you, right? Because you, you and I agree this is the right thing to do, but you won't take any risks, then you deserve nothing.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah, I had a lot of experience with that throughout Covid with musicians writing me. Thanks for speaking up. I'm on your side of things. I just don't want to lose my gig. And then I'm like, it's like watching somebody get their ass kicked. And you're like, hey, man, thanks for, thanks for taking the beating for me.

[Ian Crossland]

You know, them calling you on the phone, be like, thanks for inviting me over tonight, man. I had a great time. You're like, we're talking on the phone, dude. You're not even here.

[Brad Skistimas]

Do you think that what we see with that adherence to what we were talking about earlier with the left, if you stray from their narrative, then you're out. Is that happening on the right? Because I think it is. I see it happening a lot.

[Tim Pool]

I see it a little bit. Sometimes the right has their, like, heavy handed moments, but it's rare relative to.

[Ian Crossland]

The left also, like concentric circles of beliefs within this sphere. Because that leftism thing is a very small bubble. And outside of it is this, this greater cause of Reality and people that think that, that, you know, Israel is the biggest problem in the world, and then people that think that climate change is the biggest or whatever. I'm just naming random things. But then if you disagree within those circles, you might be ejected from that.

[Tim Pool]

Immediately talked about because the right is a coalition of various factions. There's no real right to be ejected from. However, the left is homogenous. So if you, if you were a liberal personality on, with a big following on YouTube and you said something like, I really do think the trans movement is harming our ability to win politically and we're sacrificing populist issues for this small faction of people, you're done. You are gone.

[Brad Skistimas]

You're now conservative, right?

[Tim Pool]

No, not even. You're far right.

[Ian Crossland]

You better start your own podcast.

[Brad Skistimas]

You're far right. Yeah, sure.

[Tim Pool]

And you'll lose everything. So they don't deviate. And that's why a lot of these liberals, they're in a hard position. Because my view of Luke Beasley, for instance, is that he knows the liberal issues are. He's wrong about, they're factually incorrect, but he can't say it because he would just lose followers. So it's like, he's a young guy, he's got a big YouTube platform. When he looks into these things, he goes, oh, that's not true.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, man, could you imagine that kind of stress to realize it and be like, oh my God, I've got a million people that have been following this narrative and it's not real.

[Tim Pool]

And if you say, if you say it's not real, they will all attack you, destroy your life. You'll be, you'll be in the poor house overnight.

[Ian Crossland]

And even, even less is like, they just stop watching. The thing is, he'd get a huge new audience, you know, so it's not.

[Tim Pool]

No, he wouldn't.

[Ian Crossland]

I, it wouldn't be right away. But he's really smart. I like that guy.

[Tim Pool]

The right is going to. Would likely say, why watch you? You've been wrong about everything. You just figured it out. Well, Dan Bongino knew it the whole time, but I'll watch him instead because he's able to. I'm using as an example, because he's gone.

[Brad Skistimas]

I think that the right, though, looks for reformed leftists and they, they really cheer that on. When you see somebody from Hollywood and they all of a sudden are saying something that, that, you know, many of us may have been saying for a good while, the conservative movement tends to. Or the right, whatever you want to call it everybody outside of the left, they tend to absorb it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but I think it's because if someone comes from Hollywood and then starts saying, look, I've seen the light, I'm converting or whatever, you're hearing an expert from the inside explain to you all the bad things they're doing, effectively blowing the whistle, they're telling you. And it's similar for liberals, former conservatives, which are rare, but this is totally fake in my opinion. You have people, well, like a hunter Avalon is a good example. Like, oh, no, I was so wrong. I can't believe I believe those things. And then they say, see, now you can tell us here's. And then they use that as an expert testimony of why I believe the things I did. The problem with the left is that they're just factually wrong about everything, you know, so you're in trouble if you're a media personality on the left because you're like, you could literally Google search the story and go, whoa, he was from El Salvador. What is this document? He admitted he came illegally and he admitted he was removable. He's not a Maryland man. Gonna lie anyway, otherwise I'll lose my followers.

[Ian Crossland]

My, okay, this is a big leap. And I don't really, we don't need to go into this. But on the right, I feel like that version of that where they're like, I saw it on tv, therefore it's real. I'm gonna regurgitate is like, I read it in a 2000 year old document, I'm gonna regurgitate it. If it's real, how can you.

[Tim Pool]

What are you talking about?

[Ian Crossland]

The Bible, the Christian Bible. How can you verify the authenticity of that? I can't.

[Tim Pool]

You can't?

[Ian Crossland]

No. No one can. Because it's 2000-year-old text. No one can. It's not like if, if CNN came.

[Tim Pool]

Out, you're conflating some very something and.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm like, how can I verify it?

[Tim Pool]

You're conflating some very different things because the check is the right isn't just Christian and agnostics. So when we're talking about the left and their adherence to an orthodoxy which is false, and then you bring up Christianity specifically. Just sounds like you're insulting Christians.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, no. Anybody that believes faith without evidence is like, I think is a problem.

[Tim Pool]

But, but, but you see, you're entering, that's what you're entering seventh grade.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you have blind faith. You have actual evidential faith. You have all sorts of different types of things.

[Tim Pool]

You are asking like Blind faith is a problem and you are asking like a 16 year old's introduction to philosophy question about what is to know.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm sorry, what?

[Brad Skistimas]

No, I brought my Bible.

[Tim Pool]

When. When you're. When you're an adolescent human being studying basic concepts of philosophy, one of the first things you ask or you are asked is what is knowledge? How do you know what you know? And then you learn the famous quote, the only thing that I know is that I know nothing. So when you say to people, why do you just believe in the Bible? The same question is asked to you. What makes you think oxygen is real? You read it in a book and you just believe it. You're believing things without doing investigation or checking the evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

Take the scientific method over a 2000 year old book and also take the scientific method over something CNN tells me.

[Tim Pool]

When have you done it?

[Ian Crossland]

Done what?

[Tim Pool]

One of you actually looked through an electron microscope to check to see if there's actually.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd love to do that.

[Tim Pool]

You'd love to, but you haven't, right?

[Ian Crossland]

Ozone. Dude, it's three.

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever.

[Ian Crossland]

It's the only element with its own zone.

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever looked through an electron microscope at a one dimensional?

[Ian Crossland]

Never looked through an electron microscope.

[Tim Pool]

So then how do you know graphene's real?

[Ian Crossland]

I trust the scientific method. That's. That's my.

[Tim Pool]

No, you don't.

[Ian Crossland]

My faith in evidence.

[Tim Pool]

You've never done the scientific proof.

[Ian Crossland]

You can say it's proof.

[Tim Pool]

When. When have you proved it?

[Ian Crossland]

It's. I haven't the scientific community before.

[Tim Pool]

Who's that?

[Ian Crossland]

Richard Feynman, who else?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, so, so you talk.

[Ian Crossland]

Thousands and thousands of people have claimed evidence that of oxygen's existence.

[Tim Pool]

And you've seen it.

[Ian Crossland]

I've listened to the evidence from people that have done the research for.

[Tim Pool]

I've listened to the evidence from people who said that Jesus walked on water.

[Ian Crossland]

The evidence from the people. They said they read it in a book, that it happened. That's like saying the evidence from the people. That's not what I said. It happened.

[Tim Pool]

No, I met someone who said they had a vision. God told him it happened.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, If a guy said he had a vision of something on cnn, I still wouldn't believe him.

[Tim Pool]

You are choosing to believe people who haven't shown you any evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

No, the opposite. I do not believe things without evidence.

[Tim Pool]

When have you seen the evidence of graphene? Never.

[Ian Crossland]

All over the Internet. I mean, you want.

[Tim Pool]

I've never seen it.

[Ian Crossland]

I have. That's evidence of graphene. When the. When you look on Papers and you read about it and you look at imagery of it online and like, that's all evidence.

[Phil Labonte]

What do you think the Bible's made of?

[Ian Crossland]

Paper?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. And what's in, in the Bible, there's words. That's. That's the same kind of evidence that you're talking about. Giving you evidence for graphene.

[Ian Crossland]

Talking about the scientific method.

[Tim Pool]

You did not do it.

[Ian Crossland]

I know. You don't. You don't need a scientist to believe in the scientific method and you don't.

[Tim Pool]

Need a Bible to believe in Jesus.

[Ian Crossland]

You. I require evidence. Some evidence.

[Tim Pool]

No, you don't.

[Ian Crossland]

Evidence based. Leading towards proof.

[Tim Pool]

No, Ian, you don't.

[Ian Crossland]

I cannot force myself to believe something I have no evidence for. It's impossible for me.

[Tim Pool]

That's not true.

[Ian Crossland]

It's very, very, very difficult to snap that.

[Tim Pool]

That's, that's false. You know? I know. Because you've never done an experiment to prove the existence of graphene.

[Ian Crossland]

That's because there's scientists that do that work for us. You don't want every farmer to have to go look through an electron microscope.

[Tim Pool]

There are priests who, and, and, and bishops and cardinals who tell us about Jesus and, and Christianity.

[Ian Crossland]

They don't have electron microscopes.

[Tim Pool]

Neither do you. And how do you know they do?

[Ian Crossland]

They don't.

[Tim Pool]

They told me. They're prophets.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, fine. A guy told him and a guy told you. Are you, Are you saying that this is actual evidence that you would do a journalistic endeavor with?

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying.

[Ian Crossland]

Ian, Is that what you're saying?

[Tim Pool]

You have never actually done any experiments and what you believe is based on someone telling you. Trust me. And you saying yes.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not random, dude. Being like, hey, there's this thing, dude, trust me. It's a scientific community. And called the science. There's a.

[Tim Pool]

And the theological community.

[Ian Crossland]

Scientific evidence.

[Phil Labonte]

The same people. Those are the same people that said that the COVID shot was going to work, right?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Or that lockdown to slow the spread or that double masking.

[Ian Crossland]

That's not who I follow when I'm talking about graphene. Anthony Fauci.

[Tim Pool]

Let's just pause real quick. I'm just going to say this because there's no reason to go in circles over and over.

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't even want to bring it up to go too deep. It's just that.

[Tim Pool]

No, no.

[Ian Crossland]

To believe things without evidential proof is annoying, man. You have to play both. Both sides of reality.

[Tim Pool]

Like you. It can choose the perfect example of a person who believes whatever they heard.

[Ian Crossland]

From Totally untrue, man. You never think I'm sitting here.

[Tim Pool]

You've never seen graphene, You've never tested it. You've never looked at electron microscope. You don't even know it's a single.

[Ian Crossland]

I've seen graphene. You bought it for me.

[Tim Pool]

How do you know it's graphene?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, it said graphene on there. You told me it was graphene. It was dirt, like graphene.

[Tim Pool]

I filled up a vial outside and wrote graphene sand.

[Ian Crossland]

It looks like it was dirt sand.

[Tim Pool]

I went outside, filled it up and wrote graphene.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you lying?

[Tim Pool]

I'm telling you the truth.

[Ian Crossland]

So are you gonna double down on.

[Tim Pool]

A lie that you're lying right now?

[Ian Crossland]

You discredited yourself, man.

[Tim Pool]

That bottle that I bought, that was just dirt.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, if you're telling a lie, you're discrediting yourself in front of 10.

[Tim Pool]

Do you believe it was graphene?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Why?

[Ian Crossland]

Because you told me it was. It said graphene oxide on the slide or graphene on.

[Phil Labonte]

The best content I lied produces.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, you're claiming to be a research journalist and you're gonna lie and. And take things and believe things without evidence. I mean, you don't believe this shit. You've done that. You told me yourself you don't believe.

[Brad Skistimas]

All my Bible shit. That's nice. It's how it's got my name on it.

[Phil Labonte]

Good Lord, Ian. How dare you, dude?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm just dare you.

[Phil Labonte]

It's based.

[Ian Crossland]

Bro. I just.

[Tim Pool]

You are not.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, I am, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Look, Ian, you. You lack the understanding of basic knowledge, philosophy. This is. I recommend you read these books. There is a famous quote. The only thing I know is that I know nothing. For you to sit here and say I know what is true and factual proves you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, there are facts. Like this is wood.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Agreed.

[Ian Crossland]

How do you know?

[Tim Pool]

Because I'm. Here's an electron microscope because I built it.

[Ian Crossland]

How do you know it was actual wood though? Did you test it with an electron?

[Tim Pool]

Because I watched.

[Ian Crossland]

No, you didn't. The answer is no, you didn't. And you believe it's wood.

[Tim Pool]

No, you're. You're actually wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

It could be plastic. I watched some new chemical they built.

[Tim Pool]

I watched them cut it. I wanted them to put it. Good, because I saw it come from the tree. Ian, this is a.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a fucking lie.

[Tim Pool]

No, it isn't.

[Ian Crossland]

You saw this table come from a tree.

[Tim Pool]

They.

[Phil Labonte]

It's a custom built table.

[Tim Pool]

This is a custom built table.

[Ian Crossland]

You were told by Who?

[Tim Pool]

No, they built it in front of me. We're being.

[Ian Crossland]

It's hilariously hyperbolic.

[Tim Pool]

It's three pieces. They brought it in. They had to lift it up, over and bring it through because it wouldn't fit through the door. So it had to go through the. It had to go through the roof or I'm sorry, to go through. Before the windows were put in, it was brought in three pieces. There's a metal frame underneath. We had these pieces sitting in a building for a year waiting for the construction. I watched them cut the wood into the pieces. I picked up the sawdust and I. And we threw it in a fire pit.

[Ian Crossland]

How do you know it was sawdust, Tim?

[Tim Pool]

Because it burned.

[Ian Crossland]

Graphene burns too, Ian. How do you know it wasn't almost sawdust?

[Tim Pool]

You've never done any experiment.

[Ian Crossland]

That's not true. I've done what? Experiments.

[Phil Labonte]

On what? Oh, God, I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Dripped water on a piece of paper to see how it curls.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so what other stuff?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. Have fun with life, you know, I experiment.

[Tim Pool]

What is limiting you in understanding reality right now is your arrogance.

[Ian Crossland]

No, I don't think so. I think I see a lot of dead people that are dead end in the mind that just accept things without evidence. And that's concerning, no matter where it's coming from.

[Tim Pool]

And I see that in you.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, how. What's an example of that?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, are you a silly example?

[Ian Crossland]

I'm talking about real stuff.

[Tim Pool]

What are you breathing right now?

[Phil Labonte]

Talking about real.

[Ian Crossland]

Lots of gas.

[Phil Labonte]

Talking about real.

[Ian Crossland]

What are you doing? Oxygen and hydrogen, you name it.

[Tim Pool]

How do you know?

[Ian Crossland]

I have faith in the scientific community and the evidence that I've seen.

[Tim Pool]

What evidence have you seen?

[Ian Crossland]

Papers I've had teachers tell me the evidence. We've gone through it in books. I've looked online about it. I read about the nitrogen content in the air. 78% of it, I think is nitrogen, according to modern science.

[Tim Pool]

So you've actually taken air and you've. You've put.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no, but I didn't get the electron microscope for the table or for the air.

[Tim Pool]

You've never actually done an experiment to verify any of the things you were told? Old.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that's an extreme statement, but about.

[Tim Pool]

Have you ever.

[Ian Crossland]

The contents of the air? No, I haven't. I haven't done that.

[Tim Pool]

So why do you believe it's true?

[Ian Crossland]

Because there's a preponderance of evidence.

[Tim Pool]

Because someone told you it was.

[Ian Crossland]

Many, many, many people have.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, okay, well, there's more People who believe in Jesus.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't care how many.

[Tim Pool]

Then why did you say the quality.

[Ian Crossland]

And also the quality of the, of the evidence.

[Tim Pool]

What's the evidence of what exactly?

[Ian Crossland]

Of what's in the air.

[Tim Pool]

Like, like, what did you read that said oxygen was real, that proved it.

[Ian Crossland]

That provided the periodic table?

[Tim Pool]

That's not evidence. That's a. That's a list.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a piece of evidence.

[Tim Pool]

It's a list of things which is.

[Ian Crossland]

A piece of evidence.

[Tim Pool]

How is it. How does that prove the existence of oxygen?

[Ian Crossland]

That along with all sorts of other experiments where you can see the different colors of oxygen and different. With different lights. You can, how.

[Tim Pool]

Pull it.

[Ian Crossland]

We can pull it up and go deep. If you want to talk about, if you're questioning science, like, let's, let's look.

[Tim Pool]

At it, but tell me the evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm. I'm the farmer that believes the scientist in regards to this. I'm not the guy that did the experiment. I have enough. There's enough people on earth that do those experiments that we can have faith in science.

[Tim Pool]

You can. You. What will greatly help you expand your understanding of reality is to recognize you are simply choosing trust. That's it.

[Ian Crossland]

I think that that's right. A lot of people when with belief, it comes with trust. You have to trust your. Your sources.

[Tim Pool]

When you do the fission experiments and the vacuum experiments and you actually isolate nitrogen from oxygen and carbon, or you pull carbon from the atmosphere, and you said, I actually built a machine and tested against the gases and was able to extract the carbon into a vial using vacuum technology, then I might say you've done the work. For now, what you're telling me is I read a bunch of books and they told me it was true, so I believe it.

[Ian Crossland]

Chemical vapor deposition, where you deposit, like, carbon dioxide onto copper vacuum.

[Tim Pool]

Have you done it?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, but they do it at Rice University. I mean, there's different ways to get graphene off of copper.

[Tim Pool]

You know, profits, commune with the Lord all the, all the time.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, that's probably true, but that doesn't mean that this is verifiable evidence.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't say it was. I said you are choosing what to believe based on the books you read and telling other people that they're wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

I wouldn't say that they're wrong. I'm just concerned with people believing things without evidential proof.

[Tim Pool]

That is like the epitome of my ethos, the corporate press not doing any research, deciding things are true without checking or intentionally lying to people to spread misinformation and the fascinating thing to me is that we were told that double masking worked. We were told that 6ft distance was how you effectively stop the spread of COVID And then we learned just recently, actually not super recent, but a year or two ago, they made it up. It was totally made up. Now how can that be? It was written in books, it was written in scientific papers. They published peer reviewed journals, said it on the news over and over and over again.

[Ian Crossland]

It was all bullshit, wasn't it?

[Phil Labonte]

Whoa.

[Tim Pool]

But they posted evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

And it was still bullshit.

[Tim Pool]

But, but, but the evidence, Ian, there wasn't enough. But the papers, the evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

There wasn't enough evidence, man. I didn't believe it.

[Phil Labonte]

What do you mean?

[Ian Crossland]

I didn't believe six feet to slow the swell of a virus. Are you kidding me?

[Tim Pool]

I'm not.

[Ian Crossland]

A paper mask is going to stop a virus.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying you believed it. I'm saying the scientific community and the evidence they presented was wrong. Cigarettes used to be recommended by doctors. The science proved it. Science evolves all the time. And I actually believe in science. For I would give more creating science simply because I've actually done experiments myself. Indeed, I actually created a remote control green tea can. I built it and I used gyroscopic stabilization and vibration to reduce the surface friction to zero so that it could float across solid surfaces and then use a gyroscopic stabilizer so that it could turn. And that video is actually on YouTube. You can watch it. So I actually tested these things and tried it out and said, wow. I was able to actually put together a radio transmitter that actually received it and then the receiver received the signal, completing a circuit and causing a motor to spin. I've actually done those things. So I look at these things and I say yes. Based on the experience I've done, I believe it's likely to be true and correct. However, never actually seen oxygen, never seen an atom. Been told they exist. In fact, the photo of the black hole they took took not really a photo of a black hole. It's an amalgam of various EMF waves that they compiled together. And then said, here's what we think it might look like through a cgi. And then they told everyone, this is what a black, black hole looks like. I don't follow the Bible, nor do I believe that Jesus is the son of God. I am not a Christian. I have no disdain for others who do. I simply just see things differently. But I would never be so arrogant to say I know things other people don't. Simply because some people are deaf, some people are blind. Some people can see things I can't see. Some people can hear things I can't hear. Women, some of them are tetrachromats. They can see more colors than I can. If a woman could see more colors than I could. And asserted to me that there was a color on that skateboard. It's not just yellow. It's two colors. And I said, you're nuts. I can see it. It's yellow. She's actually right. She has a fourth rod end cone, and she can see colors I can't. But I'm just going to tell her she's wrong because I can't see it. The only thing that I know is that I know nothing. And that doesn't mean I literally don't know a thing. It means that for the most part, we are choosing who to trust. And then we are relying on that to build a foundation of what we hope to be true. Which is why when I talk about quantum physics, science, technology, and religion, I often say, if what we believe in science is true, then, however, for all we know, they're just lying. And computer screens are magic rocks they found in the earth, and they have no idea how they work. Considering that, you know, I've had friends who've actually built them. And I actually watched, after watching Dr. Stone, I watched a video of creating a. What is it, a fluorescent le. What do they call it in blackjack Stone? They take a beaker and they put, like, phosphorus on it, and then they make a light that can go up and down and left and right to create a basic screen. And that's how they do a back projection screen. And then I watched a video on YouTube of how it was done, and I was like, oh, wow, you actually can see the building blocks of these things. We do got to go to super chats.

[Ian Crossland]

Let me. Let me be very clear. I don't. I'm not claiming that people that are Christian are wrong. I'm not making that claim. I just don't believe things. And I hope that other people don't without evidence, evidential proof, that's all. I don't think people are wrong. And I'm not saying it's wrong. I don't.

[Brad Skistimas]

I would ask. I would ask, what do you believe?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, a lot of stuff, but generally, like, God, we could go on for an hour and a half about that.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think that machine elves exist? I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

No, not really. Not literally. Not that I know of.

[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

This.

[Tim Pool]

It actually just happened a couple months ago that there were some really big stories where there was I guess it was a group of people or a couple, couple criminals had conned a bunch of home titles. So hometitle.com check it out. Let's grab your chats. All right. Corporal Fett says how much graphene can Ian chug? If an Ian was gonna chug a.

[Brad Skistimas]

Graphene, the tongue twister there probably, probably.

[Ian Crossland]

Get down like, like a quart of it and then get. It's like nasty stomachache after that.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, I will tell you of that thing I bought. I went on Amazon and typed in graphene and clicked buy.

[Ian Crossland]

So I'm assuming it is no one knows for sure.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

It's clearly experiment.

[Tim Pool]

It could just. They could have taken pencil and just grinded it up into it. Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

Sons of graphene, it seems.

[Ian Crossland]

Do my due diligence.

[Tim Pool]

Shane H. Wilder says Governor Abbott just signed the Texas DOGE Bill creating a Texas chapter of Doge now if other states will follow suit. Oh, I like it. Amazing. Porter says, I'd love to buy a ticket and be there, but I can't afford to fly to West Virginia from Washington State for a show. Are you planning on having different venues around the country? That'd be awesome. We are not. Although we may eventually do specials. The general idea is that we are. We are seeking. So the Culture War Live single venue, relatively small, 60 seats. We have, we have a few more seats, but it's going to be like friends crew and things like that for space. Alex Stein's going to be there for one reason. If one of the people who comes up to debate sucks, I don't know how I would kick them off. You know, like, I, I, I, I, I. I'm not the kind of person.

[Phil Labonte]

Those big long poles with a hook on the end.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But I would be sitting down. Right. So the point is, it's not a fun show. If Tim Pool goes like, hey, bro, you're really bad at debating. Please leave. It's kind of just. It makes you feel bad. But Alex Stein would kick them off in a very funny and entertaining way. Everyone would laugh as he's removing the person from the stage. And I think that's a better show. So that's why we have to have Alex there. We're hoping to do this weekly at the same venue, and we're hoping that if the first one does really well, we're thinking we're gonna do this one on May 3rd, then probably another one two weeks later, and we may end up switching to we gotta work it out. But the general idea is tickets are free right now. If you're a member, which means you're paying for membership, you get a free ticket. We're. It's not, it's not sustainable because a lot of we want people who don't want to just debate. We want people to watch the show. So we're thinking we're going to do. Is. We're going to sell tickets. However, any member can submit to. We'll have like 10 reserved seats. Members can submit to join the debates. And then we will have those 10 reserved seats for the 10 people who want to. And then we'll choose between them during the show. But then we can have 60 seats for sale to the public so people can bring their friends and you don't got to be a member. It's a lot easier to do. That way we can fill seats because ultimately what we want is to find a venue with 100 to 200 seats and have a regularly scheduled culture war live that even liberals are going to come to. A lot of liberals are like, I didn't sign up for Tim Pool's thing, but if it's like 10 bucks to get in, then they might be like, I'll definitely come to this and watch, you know, Charlie Kirk debate my friend or somebody. So that's the plan. Should be fun. Let's grab some more. All right. Twilight kid says next gen should be called Gen X squared because they a lot like Gen X. Well, okay. HS Disturb says Bongino put his money where his mouth is. And I respect that so much. I hope he gets some joy in taking down the bad guys. I have to say to all the people who are like, where's Dan and Cash? What are they doing? I'm just like, Like, I don't know that Dan Bongina would walk away from like, dozens of millions, whatever that number was, from a show as big as his, to not get the bad guys. You know what I mean? Like, if you went to Dan and you were like, for $30 million one time, one purchase, I will let you arrest. Like, I feel like Dan's the guy who would have paid for that job. He'd be like, I will pay you to be able to go in there and arrest these people. That's why I'm like, no one's giving up all that money to go in and then not get the bad guys.

[Ian Crossland]

No. Them being silent is not an aberration. That's part of the process.

[Brad Skistimas]

I will say I. I appre his transparency on X posting and saying, hey, you know, don't trust me. Expect, you know, wait for results. At least he's doing that because I get frustrated and impatient all the time if you read my X feed. But to his credit, like, I would like to see more of that from other people in the admin.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Gro. He says, many chickens enjoy this coupe. Lol. Rumble is waiting for you. It says coup the chicken coo. The chicken coo. Chickens are great. They're good. They're good people. Elk Moon says, hey, Tim. And five times we're Elk Moon, a hard rock band in LA fighting the culture war on the front lines. Our new single Back in Hollywood drops on Friday. Song About? Well, you know, I. I don't actually. I hope it's nothing bad. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says, I agree with Moonlord. Let's definitely polygraph. Ian.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, let's get a polygraph.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's a good idea. How much those things cost?

[Ian Crossland]

Teach yourself how to override it. That'd be awesome. Because it's your nervous system. It's not just your breathing. Controlling your nervous system is superpower.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

My guess, $16,000 for a good one.

[Tim Pool]

Someone look it up. We'll buy it, we'll strap into it and film it.

[Ian Crossland]

I'll be the first.

[Tim Pool]

Beef Nasty says, do the board, but have B Gay do crime in black, light ink, or an off white from the board color so you can barely see it. Excuse me. And have to do a double take. I'm pretty sure if we made a skateboard that said be gay, do crime, two grand. Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

Stoatling CPS2 polygraph can be priced around $2,000.

[Tim Pool]

If you sold merch that B gay do crime, you, nobody would care. Like, Hot Topic would sell that. But if you made a shirt that don't be gay, you'd get censored and banned everywhere. They'd be like, you can't do that. It's homophobic.

[Ian Crossland]

Because you said, don't be gay do crime. That'd be double whammy. If you said, be gay, don't do crime.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the idea.

[Ian Crossland]

I get away with that.

[Tim Pool]

Andy's idea was he said, let's sell two boards. One says, don't be gay, and one says, be gay and just give the people the choice. And I'm like, well, then. Then everyone will like us.

[Brad Skistimas]

That's true. That's a good way to go about it. You get one board in case that one does sell, and then they don't be gay.

[Tim Pool]

Boy, I. I gotta be honest. If we made a board that'd be gay, we would sell those too. Yeah, like, they're both funny. People would buy both. Like, the problem with the left is they don't understand the joke. It's like, it's when south park said. When they had the episode where the kids were saying all the time, and they were like, we're not. We're not making fun of gay people. Like, that's not cool. That's. Hey, man, that's fine. They were like, no, we're just insulting the Harley guys. And they didn't understand what the kids were saying because that word means something else.

[Brad Skistimas]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

So. So the joke is the left is always saying, be gay. So we're making the inverse. But the problem then is liberals get super offended by that and try and get you banned.

[Brad Skistimas]

That's the.

[Ian Crossland]

That's that play versus tyranny. You got to let go. You got to learn how to play. You got to allow yourself.

[Brad Skistimas]

Blazing Saddles effect. I think that's what they call it.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ian Crossland]

Great movie, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

Beard says. Hey, Ian, are you still free to judge this weekend? To be a judge? The jam submissions this time are top tier. Hope to work with you again.

[Ian Crossland]

I think not. I. I told them that I'm not going to be around, but.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, is that for the Discord?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, dude, the Game Jam. It's awesome.

[Tim Pool]

What is it? You should host gaming.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they.

[Tim Pool]

A bunch of better idea games. Why don't we do like a. Like a. Like a song thing?

[Ian Crossland]

I would love to. You want to.

[Tim Pool]

Members of the Discord submit music and then you judge and then figure out who the winner is. I'd be down.

[Ian Crossland]

But dude, these games are amazing. Some of the games that they make in like two weeks, you're like, who are these? You could hire 10 people and have an entire game development company.

[Tim Pool]

Did we ever release the Normie Quest game?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think so. No. But I mean it's like on a shelf somewhere ready to be dabbled with.

[Tim Pool]

There's two versions too. Chris made the King of the King of the Hill one and then we had the other full game one.

[Ian Crossland]

Dude, these game jams are super cool. So I was just not feeling it for some reason, this one. But I. You want to go with me, Tim, to the game? I feel like you're gonna say no. That's why I just.

[Tim Pool]

I have no time for any of these things. We should.

[Ian Crossland]

We should host one of those one time. It's super.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta go to D.C. tomorrow again.

[Ian Crossland]

But you do it remote.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta go DC again tomorrow. It means I gotta. I gotta get in here at seven in the morning to record my show. Here's the thing. Libby will be hosting the Morning Live again. However, it's a 43 minute interview with Sebastian Gorka as it is. So she's largely just introducing the segment, the show talking news a little bit and then kicking it off to the interview. So it works out. But you know, we got to work. I got to work.

[Ian Crossland]

You're gonna have you on an airplane next.

[Tim Pool]

Oh man. I know. I gotta go to New York soon. Is this year's getting crazy? Yeah, they. Air Force One is a possibility. We've talked about that. The media is so Bent over it. And just because people are in power doesn't mean they're evil. Sometimes there are people with no power that are evil. Sometimes there are people that are power with evil. The current administration I largely agree with on a lot of things, and I disagree with on some things. You know, Gorkha, for instance, was talking about strikes on foreign terror groups and things like this. And then I asked him, I said, you know, I don't really want to be involved in this intervention and stuff. And he explained his point of view, and I said, okay, you know, I get it. I do. I wish it was easy to have more answers, but as long as we're not doing regime change, war, then, you know, I think we've got some improvements. But, you know, what do you do? Do you. Do you just go to every press briefing and say, trump, no matter what you do, you're always going to be wrong? Because I'm a journalist. That's stupid. That makes no sense. It's like Trump rescues a bunch of puppies, and they're like, yeah, well, the puppies got hurt. It's like, well, yeah, they were in a fire and Trump saved them. Well, he shouldn't have run through the fire because the puppies got hurt. It's like, bro, not everything Trump does is bad, okay? I actually think a lot of what he does is good, if not most of it. All right, what do we got? Adam Horage says you need an engineer to join your stream to reign in Ian's techno babble. We can put a space elevator on the moon, but we can't get one to Earth. If you could do that, you couldn't tie the two platforms together. Orbits still exist.

[Ian Crossland]

That's true, but I think that was clear, you know?

[Tim Pool]

You know, we should do, though, we should create a massive series of cables and bolt them to the moon, and then pull all the cables down to Earth and then get heavy machinery and just, like, pull the moon into the Earth, causing its orbit to decay, and then the moon to shift all the tides 20ft in the air, just plunging Earth into a perpetual flood, which wipes out all of.

[Phil Labonte]

And then we get a big surf contest.

[Ian Crossland]

Those dudes.

[Tim Pool]

While we die.

[Ian Crossland]

The guys are gonna seed the clouds and block out the clouds. We should talk about that on the after show tonight. Do you hear that?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I did. I reported. Yeah, the. The Mr. Burns plan, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

But what we could build is a couple of slingshots from our orbital platforms to slingshot stuff from Earth to the moon's platform and back. There's Like a. Like a magnetic slingshot.

[Tim Pool]

Do you see the slingshot? Orbital launch. Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Spin Launch.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It spins a package as fast as it can, and then boom.

[Ian Crossland]

You could have that in orbit and just fling stuff over to the. And the other place will catch it and then slow it down, like in a reverse spin.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy. Launching things into orbit with a gigantic spinning wheel.

[Brad Skistimas]

For what reason was this?

[Tim Pool]

To launch packages to the space station. Yeah.

[Brad Skistimas]

Oh, I got you.

[Tim Pool]

Instead of using a rocket to carry things up, you just put payload in the thing, spin it and.

[Brad Skistimas]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

And they don't actually technically have to catch it. You just have to get it into orbit.

[Brad Skistimas]

You've got a big net.

[Phil Labonte]

Can go ahead and. Well, imagine it'd be an arm.

[Tim Pool]

No, the. The payload will have the ability. Has thrusters.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So it's able to reorient it and. Yeah, right.

[Brad Skistimas]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And then it can just float to the space station and then lock into place. Or satellites.

[Ian Crossland]

I was thinking was the first rocket hit was a rock. Get it? Rockette. Someone put a rock in some explosive tube and they were like, we're firing rockettes, little rocks.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know if that's how it worked.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't either.

[Brad Skistimas]

Female rocks. The Rockettes.

[Ian Crossland]

Rockettes.

[Brad Skistimas]

Got it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see what he got. Seven legion says, Ian, 500 people say they saw Jesus risen back to life, and the majority of them refused to recant even if they were being executed for saying it. Maybe one would die for a lie, but 500?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I mean, God, the problem is. My. It just goes back to the beginning again is like, without verifiable evidence, I have a hard time believing any of the story at all.

[Tim Pool]

Is witness testimony, evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

If they're. If they're alive and they're here and they're saying it.

[Tim Pool]

That's what you don't believe World War II happened? Oh, no.

[Ian Crossland]

There's tons of evidence. Tons of evidence.

[Tim Pool]

But the eyewitness. The eyewitnesses are. There's only, like a couple Holocaust survivors left. I mean, most testimony doesn't exist anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

No, you don't. You don't need eyewitness testimony. Ah, but it's a form of evidence.

[Tim Pool]

So you don't think that Rome exist. Existed.

[Ian Crossland]

I do think the Rome existed, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Why? There's. There's. There's no way to track. I mean, who knows? It could have been called more and not Rome.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, now you're getting into ancient history. Manipulation. It could have been.

[Tim Pool]

What if it was Tartaria?

[Ian Crossland]

A Lot of. A lot of that stuff could have been different.

[Tim Pool]

I think. I think all of that, all those structures, it's actually evidence of Tartaria.

[Ian Crossland]

That's like Barbaria. That's where that term comes from.

[Tim Pool]

The bar.

[Ian Crossland]

Bars, yeah, they were the foreign. Bar. Bar was like. Meant foreigner. That's where their words come from. Tartaria was the idea of everything outside of Rome, essentially. The foreign, the Tartar.

[Tim Pool]

I actually think Rome was Atlantis. I don't know, because the evidence doesn't work anymore.

[Ian Crossland]

The Romans, well, the Greeks were tight with Atlantis, I think.

[Tim Pool]

I. I guess. Who knows? It's so much. The point is, Ian, your argument is that no historical event ever happened because historian testimony doesn't matter.

[Ian Crossland]

No, no. That's terrible. Written this representation.

[Tim Pool]

If 500 people says Jesus was risen, is that not evidence?

[Ian Crossland]

The thing is, a guy telling me that 500 people said a thing is not admissible evidence. That's not. Doesn't help me.

[Brad Skistimas]

There are so many paths you could go down of stories of people who have tried to prove themselves in your position. Right. That have come out on the other side. Believing Jesus, though.

[Tim Pool]

Like, would you listen to those stories, Ian? Do you believe the Donner Party happened?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Why?

[Ian Crossland]

I've just seen they all done stuff about it.

[Tim Pool]

No, they're survivors.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Ian Crossland]

And each other in the mountains.

[Tim Pool]

But how do you know? There's literally no physical evidence and there never was. It's just a group of people that came back and were like, we ate people and they went. We believe it. And now it's. Now it's a historical fact, apparently.

[Ian Crossland]

Maybe it didn't happen the way they said.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe it definitely did.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm not one of those people. That's a question everything, Guy. I don't like people like that. That I just. You need evidence, you know, and then you need to find things you believe in.

[Tim Pool]

Why would you accept the Donner Party and not the resurrection of Jesus Christ?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, those people were alive in modern times with video cameras. Talking about what?

[Brad Skistimas]

Or video Donner party.

[Ian Crossland]

The late 1800s, maybe. I got.

[Brad Skistimas]

Hold on a second.

[Ian Crossland]

But is this the people from. No, the movie Alive. I was thinking of the movie Alive.

[Tim Pool]

The Donner Party was people heading west and they thought there was a passage that was really open. And they got stuck. Starved to death. Death. And then they ate each other.

[Ian Crossland]

One guy went out, he left his wife and kid back behind because he wanted to go find them, I think.

[Tim Pool]

Never happened, actually.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. There's no proof.

[Ian Crossland]

I Would love to talk about Jesus. I mean, I would sit here for 10 hours and talk about Jesus. I would love to do.

[Brad Skistimas]

Have you read mere Christianity by C.S. lewis?

[Ian Crossland]

No.

[Brad Skistimas]

You need to read it.

[Ian Crossland]

What's it called?

[Brad Skistimas]

Mere Christianity Mirror.

[Tim Pool]

Do you believe that M E R E. Do you believe that George Washington crossed the Delaware in the revolution? Generally in the winter?

[Ian Crossland]

Generally. But if you. If you really press me on it, I don't have any evidence to prove it.

[Tim Pool]

There's none.

[Ian Crossland]

But I. I have a general. See, belief is a loaded word here. Like, I guess your belief can increase in something. Like, I kind of believe it, but that's kind of a weird thing. Either you do or you don't. So you know what?

[Tim Pool]

Right? So you're just choosing not to believe the Bible.

[Ian Crossland]

I was watching the. How about the Mongols invaded Europe? Do I believe the Mongols invaded Europe?

[Tim Pool]

No idea. No evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

There's evidence. It's just. I don't know how good the evidence is.

[Tim Pool]

Did chickens come from Southeast Asia? No idea. There's no evidence.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. Is that what they say they did?

[Brad Skistimas]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

That's where they did come from?

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, we're gonna go to that. We're gonna go to that members only uncensored chat [e-mail] Timcast IRL. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You gotta be a member of Rebel Premium to watch. We give you a quick sneak preview for about a minute or so and then we go into the members only call in portion of the show where you can call in and explain to Ian why he's wrong.

[Ian Crossland]

I only wish there were more super chats. I'm looking forward to seeing you guys over at Rumble.

[Tim Pool]

All right, everybody, you can follow me on X and Instagram @timcast5times August. You want to shout anything out?

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah. Follow me on X at five times August. Check out five times august.com for records and CDs. Check out the music and appreciate the support. Thanks for having me back, by the way.

[Ian Crossland]

Always a my man. Good to see you, dude.

[Brad Skistimas]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

And I'm at Ian Crossland on the Internet. I'm sure you're just revved up and you want to know more. Go to my YouTube channel and check it out. I was going to make a video about the history of Israel. I don't think I'll be breaking down piece by piece, year by year. I don't know how far back I'm gonna have to start, though.

[Phil Labonte]

That's. That's exactly what we need. I am Phil that Remains on Twix. I'm Phil that Remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on YouTube, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Deezer. There's one other I'm forgetting, but either way, you know it's on the Internet. Left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

We will see you all [e-mail] Timcast IRL thanks for hanging up, SA.