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DOJ Launches FULL INVESTIGATION Into TPUSA Antifa RIOT, Media Says Mostly Peaceful w/ Andrew & Rachel Wilson, Jake Rattlesnake
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Seamus Coughlin
The DOJ launches a probe into the antifa riots, which we have been told were mostly peaceful protests. 50 year mortgages will continue to be discussed by the Trump administration and there's more information about that. And Trump says crime has lowered in Chicago as a result of his intervention. That and more. Tonight, I am Tim Pool. People have been dead naming me as Seamus Coughlin. If people do that tonight, just know they're not supposed to be doing that. I'm filling in for my friend, similarly named Tim Pool, who's feeling sick right now. We decided that we were going to do the show without him. But first, before we get into all those exciting issues and have a great discussion with our guests, we've got a message from our sponsors.
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Seamus Coughlin
All right, welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. My name is not actually Tim Poole. All right, I'm going to admit it right now. I'm Seamus Coughlin. Before we get into everything tonight, I just want to mention that we live in unprecedented times because we have the technological infrastructure for telling stories in a way that we have not through all of history. The most powerful way of delivering stories that's ever existed and stories the dominant way that people now, unfortunately, media is almost entirely dominated by people who hate our way of life and have been chipping away at it for decades through their propaganda. That's why I've spent the past 11 years making cartoons to fight back in the culture war. And now myself and my team have decided to create a full length animated show. And just over the course of the past couple weeks, we've already raised nearly 75% of the budget that we are going to need to get the first season of this show fully funded. So if you understand and believe that we cannot win the culture war unless we're making culture and you want me to help take entertainment back from people who are eroding our civilization, go to twistedplots.com, pledge $25. There's only three days left before the campaign ends. If you pledge right now at any level, you will get access to our pilot. Thank you very much. And today I am joined by Andrew Wilson. Great to have you. Do you want to intro yourself, let the audience know who you are?
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, sure. My name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of the Crucible. It's a popular YouTube channel where I do commentary and debates of all different kinds of. Also host the extravaganza on Rumble with my co host, Jake Rattlesnake. He's in the studio with me as well. He's an obnoxious imbecile, but other than that, other than that, he's fine. And that's who I am.
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Seamus Coughlin
Awesome.
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Rachel Wilson
Hi, I'm Mrs. Andrew Wilson, the number one hype girl for the patriarchy. Author, researcher. You can go find my book occult the Secret History of Women's Liberation on Amazon and you can go to my substack rwilson.substack.com if you want to learn all about how most of everything you've heard about women's history is total scam.
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Seamus Coughlin
Beautiful.
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Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
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Jake Rattlesnake
My name is Jake. Go by Jake Rattlesnake of Rattlesnake tv. Also host the extravaganza with this slow hillbilly to my right. Over here I've got a travel channel called Rattlesnake Travel. I'm doing a bit of a behind the scenes today, which is cool. And Jake Rattlesnk on on X. Thanks for having me.
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Phil Abonti
Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Abonti. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal and all that remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.
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Seamus Coughlin
All right. So the DOJ launches a federal probe after antifa militants riot at TPUSA Berkeley event honoring Charlie Kirk again. This is an event honoring the life of a man who was murdered by left wing radicals. We shouldn't be surprised that left wing radicals protested it. That's apparently what time it is in the United States right now. The U.S. department of Justice Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Harmeet Dillon announced on Tuesday that an investigation has been launched into a violent attack against individuals attending a Turning Point USA event at UC Berkeley perpetuated by the designated terrorist group Antifa. The FBI led Joint Terrorism Task Force is also investigating the incident, according to the Justice Department. So this comes from the Post Millennial. Yesterday on the show we covered this as breaking news as we saw them doing this at. Fortunately, unfortunately, Antifa violently rioting and attacking people who are trying to peacefully espouse their values has become banal at this point. We're so used to it that it's hard to even comment on it anymore without sounding like broken records. But nonetheless, you know, sometimes you beat a dead horse, sometimes that dead horse needs to get its butt kicked. So let's talk about that. What these people are doing, what needs to be done about this and why it hasn't been done, if it hasn't.
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Andrew Wilson
Have you seen at the protests that they're showing up in front of the ICE facilities and they have all these like blow up suits of the cartoon?
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Seamus Coughlin
Yes, that's right. Yeah. And did you see when I sprayed one of them with pepper spray like up in the flat? I really want to put a thought.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Bomb in one of the breathing holes.
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Andrew Wilson
That whole, that whole thing is designed to change their image. Yeah, the idea of the like mask wearing little ninja, you know, with the hood on and you know, they're running around and starting fires and causing all these problems. That's the image that Antifa burned into people's brains. So they basically burn into people's brains that they're a, like a revolutionary anarchical group that's there to damage property, destroy things, and perhaps even carry out incentives for political assassination.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
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Andrew Wilson
And so, you know, this kind of move to try to change by being more kid friendly and this and that, that actually is hurting them more than anything else. And let me, I give you my reasoning. The no Kings Day riots. What a disappointment. The second go around. What a disappointment. So we watched the first go around and it's like at least they were doing stuff, you know, you were all.
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Seamus Coughlin
Old though, even then.
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Andrew Wilson
But you can get your eyes on you if you're doing stuff. If you're like throwing rocks off and light fire, you know. Yeah, you're lighting stuff on fire, you're throwing rocks on the police cars, you're wrecking everything that brings the views. So at least that brings the views to your point. But now them becoming like the more kid friendly leftist weirdos, nobody cares about that.
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Seamus Coughlin
It's a weird schizophrenic thing too, where they're trying to be both at the same time. Half the time they're dancing and wearing these costumes and we're just silly and trying to have a good time and who could be mad at our peaceful protest. And then the other half of the time they're throwing bricks at police officers.
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Andrew Wilson
Or they're doing cringe dancing. They do a lot of cringe dancing.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah. Well, this is the thing. When you, when you mentioned Antifa, when you mentioned Antifa being kid friendly, my first thought was impossible. There was someone on Twitter who said this very funny joke. They said Antifa is the militant arm of the sex offender registry. Love it.
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Phil Abonti
So look, the point that they're what. The point of what they're doing is they want to mock the establishment. Right. So if they. And I saw this, I forget where the book was, but it was, it was one of the essential, like essentially the hand handbooks of how you should, you should conduct basically counter rules for radicals.
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Seamus Coughlin
Is that rules?
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Phil Abonti
Yeah, I'm not sure if it was in the, in specifically in rules for radicals. But the point is they want have pictures of riot police, clad police.
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Rubrik Announcer
Right.
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Phil Abonti
Riot, you know, riot control, clad police grabbing a dude in a blow up doll suit.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
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Phil Abonti
Because it looks comical. Then the propaganda they can put out is, look, we're just out here being silly, having fun, protesting the authoritarians, blah, blah, blah. You don't see that the guy that was in the blow up suit was just hurling Molotov cocktails. Right. You don't see that he was just throwing bricks at police. You don't. I mean, whatever the viol action that he just took, the point is they want people to see pictures of a silly looking guy getting wrapped up by pe.
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Rachel Wilson
By militant, very militant police. Yeah.
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Phil Abonti
So there is, there is a point to them getting dressed up like that. And it is all about propaganda.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, well, it is, it's all about image. And that's, that's only one aspect. The other aspect. So you'll see the US military does this a lot. They'll change uniforms and one of the reasons they change uniforms is because if there's might be imagery associated with a certain uniform that brings bad thoughts in the American public or in people abroad, they switch the lookout. Right. That's the whole point. Militaries all over the world do this. By the way, an example, when you think AK47, what do you think?
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right. Yeah. We think like Middle Eastern Taliban fighters.
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Andrew Wilson
Exactly. Or Russians. Right. Or it's the bad guys. But the Russians are bad guys. And so if the bad guys, they start switching their weapons around and Things you might. You might think a little. That they're a little less bad. Well, and this is what's going on with Antifa.
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Jake Rattlesnake
It's the same thing that maybe I should counter signal them with like, a. Like a Power Rangers outfit.
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Seamus Coughlin
Incredible.
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Andrew Wilson
Go out and just do all this number when they're arresting them.
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Seamus Coughlin
Even better, dude. Like one of those Power Ranger Mecca suits where they all combine together and then they're just. They just have a giant net and they're able to scoop, I guess.
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Phil Abonti
Fine. Just don't wear the white Power Ranger outfit. That'll get you in trouble.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, this is funny. You mentioned this, how we have, like, certain psychological attachments to specific images and firearms. This is one of the reasons that we knew that Biden leaving all of our weapons in Afghanistan was pure incompetence. Because if they wanted to arm them, they would have given them a case so that people thought the Russians did it or they didn't look too deeply where the weapons came from. The fact they would never intentionally give them American M4s ever.
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Andrew Wilson
No. Right now. And the other. The other reason behind this. This image thing is I do think that it's part of a recruitment protocol. So if you want to raise the next little generation of terrorists. What a domestic terrorist, by the way, let's call them what they are. Yeah, Domestic terrorists. You want to incentivize them to come in young, you know, so that's another part of this. It's. It's a mass propaganda. He's right.
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Rachel Wilson
Kind of need to. Because right now, it's all old hippie boomers.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's exactly right.
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Rachel Wilson
And a lot of them, like, during the day, because Andrew was covering this live on the Crucible, and during the daytime, they were doing, like, a whole rainbow Skittles parade topless. There was guys with their banana hammocks out in front of kids and everything else. So they always have to throw that in, too. They always got to make it into something, you know, Skittles and rainbows and.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah.
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Rachel Wilson
On top of everything.
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Andrew Wilson
Inclusive and equitable every single time.
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Jake Rattlesnake
I was in Europe recently, and I stumbled across two protests, one in Berlin and then one in Budapest. And the one in Berlin was a climate change protest, but of course, it's just inundated with trans flags and all of these different Transformers. And this was just by pure chance. I was doing a vlog and I came across it. And then same thing in Budapest as well. And it was. They were calling Viktor Orban a fascist, and they had the Ukraine flags and everything. But Then of course, all the Skittles flags. And I was like, they got to make everything about the Skittles.
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Phil Abonti
Well, the issue. The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. The point is to. To disrupt the. The existing order in order to.
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Jake Rattlesnake
This is why you see an amalgamation of it. It's always about not only climate change, but mass immigration and all these sorts of things.
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Rachel Wilson
It's a club for people who hate their dads.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, exactly. You're not mad at me, you're mad at your dad. That's why they always talk about the patriarchy. This is a huge part of it. Yeah, sorry, go.
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Phil Abonti
Feminists frequently get really upset because, like, they'll be like, hey, this is an issue about women. And then some other part of the left will slide in. Feminists are like, no, no, this is about effing women. Why are you, you know, blah, blah, blah.
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Seamus Coughlin
Which is part of.
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Phil Abonti
You see, that's why you see the schism between trans people and actual, like, you know.
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Seamus Coughlin
Oh, yeah, go.
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Andrew Wilson
I was going to ask if. If Rachel taught the himbo the word amalgamation. Like, I was, I was super impressed.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, well, but, but this is also, I think another part of the reason that you always see the pride flags there is because they know that they have to warp people and make them sexually perverted in order to blind them so that they'll go along with their agenda. Sin dulls the intellect. And when you say, I'm gonna take the most intimate part of who I am and orient that towards short term pleasure instead of the logos, what is reasonable, what God actually created me to do? You become a perfect slave. And so that iconography is always gonna follow these movements. And we know historically when you have sexual revolutions, you almost always end up with very intense violence. Because when people stop restraining their passions first, or lustful passions, they stop restraining their wrath. And that's the step that we're on right now.
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Andrew Wilson
Or vice versa. Right? I mean, that's what you're talking. You're talking about Christian ontology. And so you're right. When. When you're talking about the telos or teleology are moving out of it into the passions, it. One always leads to the next, to the next, to the next. I totally agree with this, but I do, I do think what you're seeing right now is the formation of these. These groups are, Are now getting a lot of pressure on them, especially from the Trump administration. The move to call them domestic terrorists gives the Trump administration a huge amount of leverage to start using law Enforcement in very creative ways and military assets in very creative ways.
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Seamus Coughlin
So do you think they're actually going to do anything about this?
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Andrew Wilson
I think they are. I think, I think that they are and I think that it's all. It's all quiet at the moment. But it's because of that. I think that this push now, the recruitment push and the image change push, is because they're terrified that now Trump may be able to use much better LEO resources to go after them. After them being kind of labeled domestic terrorists and that getting into the public consciousness.
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Rachel Wilson
Yeah. Because whenever there's a Democrat administration in place, these people are pictured as heroes. Right. They're. They're liberation heroes. They're fighting for freedom. They can never. When you ask them, I mean, how many viral videos are there of someone asking them, why are you here at the protest today? And they're like, I don't really know. I don't like rules, you know? They don't really know.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah, it looks Astroturf, so. Astroturf.
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Rachel Wilson
Oh, yeah, yeah, it usually is.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah. Like, you know, I keep on bringing it back to the European ones, but it's just interesting when you see them all around. I saw another one in Serbia and the government. There was a big protest going on in Belgrade you guys might have seen over the past few months, and the government was paying for a whole entire encampment of protesters across the road from the parliament building. And we walked past it and we were just looking and they were all just completely paid protesters. And it makes me wonder every time I see a big European sort of revolution like this, is it a color revolution? Who's paying for it? Where's the money coming from?
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, I mean, the great myth is that revolutions occur because at the grassroots or in working class, people decided that the revolution needed to happen. It's virtually always either wealthy or upper middle class people who start agitating and then they try to use their influence to get people beneath them in social.
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Jake Rattlesnake
We were just talking about this the other day.
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Seamus Coughlin
This.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah. Hasn't the status really been the historic status that it's elites who want to move to the next step in. In power.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yes.
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Andrew Wilson
That are often going down to the rabble and telling them about how that guy over there, he's eating way too much of their steak. Well, there's a massive one on his plate as well.
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Seamus Coughlin
Exactly.
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Rachel Wilson
That's 90% of what my research is about, is about how social movements are not grassroots. They're almost always social engineering from the top down. A good example of what Jake was talking about with those European protests. And like Gloria Steinem was first recruited by the CIA.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
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Rachel Wilson
She was out of Smith College to go to Europe and go to these youth festivals and promote feminist propaganda. It's all. It's almost always bought and paid for.
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Jake Rattlesnake
It's almost never in these Christian, European. We were just talking about this the other day. We were talking about the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and about how Pol Pot. The mystery, like the mythology of it is, is that they were guerrilla warfare fighters, the Khmer Rouge, and they were banished out to the hills for a very long time. And this did happen. And then the CIA sort of organized bombings of northern Cambodia, radicalized a lot of the peasants. But Pol Pot himself was an aristocrat. He went to school in France and was educated by the communists in France. He was a. I think his. His uncle was a prince or something like that.
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Andrew Wilson
And that's why he was killing all of the people who had any sort of education too, because they could do counter propaganda and assist. I mean, both sides need their elites, conservatives. I've always been wrong about this. Right. We do need to have smart people in conservative politics who are intellectuals. We do actually need that. Just that. Now the idea of stodgy intellectualism is like, well, that's boring and stupid and we hate it. And I don't blame. But I think intellectualism itself can be presented in a different way than the. Well, that type of thing. But that's what Pol Pot was worried about, right? He was worried about educated people being able to push back against anybody with.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Glasses, anybody with an education, anybody who held had any standing in society. They just killed them.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, and this is exactly right. Part of the problem too is that this is not just a modern problem, though we see it often in the modern world. It's a human problem. But the reality is authority exists for the subordinate and you should recognize as a noble person in a position of authority. The reason I'm an intellectual is to actually meet the needs of the people. This is essentially division of labor. I'm extremely intelligent. I also have the time and resources to study and learn things that your average person can't. So I can help direct society in a positive direction. But intellectualism does not have that same status that it used to among people because we know the intellectual, intellectual class does not care about us and hasn't care.
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Jake Rattlesnake
They have done real well.
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Rachel Wilson
Marxists have captured the institutions. Yes, we've just surrendered academia to Marxists.
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Jake Rattlesnake
And they. You look at like the way in which a Lot of them operate. It's like they've never really existed in the real world. Imagine going from high school, being a high achieving student to the university and then after that you get a position as a professor and then eventually, you know, you get, what's it called when they get like the high standing position?
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Seamus Coughlin
Tenure.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Tenure. Yeah, you get tenure. You've actually never existed in the real world. You don't know how it works.
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Seamus Coughlin
And I just got to say, all the teachers that I ever had in school, growing up or through college, the best ones I ever had, were all people who spent time in the private sector. They all knew way more about the subject matter that they were teaching than the ones that hadn't.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, because of practical application.
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Seamus Coughlin
Exactly.
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Rachel Wilson
The way that this happens, the way that institutional capture happens, is I have an article about this on my substack, actually, with tons of examples and citations. You get big foundations with tons of money, like the Rockefeller foundation, the Ford foundation. There's tons of them. They're everywhere, these big huge NGOs. And what they do is they find kind of like radical academics who are going to push the agenda they want. They'll create a position for that person or a scholarship for that person and get them seated in an institution with a lot of influence under the, you know, contract that you're going to push this, you know, agenda that we want. And that's how they do it. Because people think this is like conspiracy theory stuff. It's very simple.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yes, well, that's the thing, right. Human systems are, they're, they're easier to manipulate in a certain respect than a lot of people think. And one of the things, I've got this buddy, Arne McIntyre, and he's been on the show a couple times, but what he points out very often, and I think correctly so, is that democracy is essentially just ruled by mass media. You can simplify these things in a way that helps you understand it's not just this needless, abstract and complex system. There's like buttons that you can push very easily. And you're absolutely correct. You just get some people with the right funding to create a specific scholarship or position at a university to put some Marxist theorists that you like in there. And all of a sudden you've reshaped the minds of literally hundreds, even thousands of students.
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Andrew Wilson
Yep, there's, there's a capability crisis, also a capability. And that's getting worse and worse and worse. So an easy example, the last time you went and got a fast food burger, you know exactly what I'm talking about with the capability crisis.
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Seamus Coughlin
Okay.
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Andrew Wilson
But it's all sectors of society you'll find this in, by the way.
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Seamus Coughlin
You can't show yourself at a drive through after the show ends because they'll know that you said that.
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Andrew Wilson
Exactly.
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Seamus Coughlin
They're capable of doing that.
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Andrew Wilson
Let me ask you. But let me ask you a question. Let's say that you happen to be a capable individual and just because you're just a little bit more capable than most of the people around you, you're able to subvert an entire institution because it's not that hard.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, right.
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Andrew Wilson
System, Systems, over time, they become kind of decadent and the, the rules and processes become more important than the spirit of what those rules and processes were there for. And when you just get a slightly capable person in there, they can easily bend an entire institution to their will.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
And so that. But the thing is, is don't they kind of have incentive to be bad guys? When you think about it, if you, if you're able to so easily do that, wouldn't. Wouldn't you easily look around and be like, well, I'm, I'm clearly the most capable person around. People should do what I say. And so it seems to me like, you know, Marxists also, they were masters of this, masters of going into institutions that had these kind of sort of rigid rules that had lost the spirit of what the rules were there for. And they just weaponized them, took them over quickly and went, well, we're the most capable. That's why we're winning. And that's exactly why society should march to our drum. Right?
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah. Well, that's exactly the problem with having rules based in a high trust society now applying to low trust.
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Andrew Wilson
That's right.
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Seamus Coughlin
These institutions all existed at a time where the rules made sense because people could generally trust one another. They were on board with the same projects.
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Rachel Wilson
Right.
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Seamus Coughlin
We're not in that position anymore. I mean, not even close.
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Andrew Wilson
Not even, not even. Not even close close.
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Rachel Wilson
A position where. I've talked about this a lot, but we're in a position where Americanism and the ideas behind the founding are being weaponized against us, against America. This idea that anyone can come here and be American and to be American means that you can be a Hindu socialist and become, you know, mayor of one of our major cities or something like that.
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Seamus Coughlin
As the founders intended, of course.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, of course.
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Seamus Coughlin
As the founders. That's what they died for.
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Andrew Wilson
That's what they died for. World War II.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right. That's what my grandpa fought the idea.
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Phil Abonti
That anyone can come here and be an American was totally refuted with the Iraq war, right? The idea that we could go into Iraq, we could install Jeffersonian democracy and they would love it and they would automatically turn into public loving Americans was proven definitively wrong. The idea that you can take people from societies like that, bring them to the United States and they will then become Jefferson, you know, lovers of Jeffersonian democracy. They will automatically love our liberal, you know, liberal society. That is flat out wrong.
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Seamus Coughlin
Great point.
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Phil Abonti
Totally wrong, 100% wrong. And to continue to behave as such will not make people into Introducing Family.
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Phil Abonti
B R I K.com Jeffersonian democrat democracy Lovers it will make America more like the places that they came from. It will not make those people into Americans.
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Rachel Wilson
Look at Minneapolis. Look at Dearborn, Michigan. Look at New York City right now. These places are like if you would have told I was 21 years old when 911 happened and if you would have told me then in the in the aftermath of 911 for those of us Gen Xers and older who really remember that time period of the whole country, for the only time, you know, in the last 25 years, we're all like really united around this idea of like proud to be an American and defending our country and like we're going to get whoever did this kind of thing. If you would have told me then that 25 years later we're going to elect a socialist Muslim mayor of that same city that just went through 9 11, I would have never believed you.
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Seamus Coughlin
It's interesting.
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Rachel Wilson
I would have found it impossible to believe at the time there were actually.
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Seamus Coughlin
Public opinion polls that showed that people began Viewing Islam more favorably after 9 11. A large part of that was because there was this massive push by the institutions to say that we should really feel bad for victims of Islamophobia. But it's always hilarious because you can poke holes in these, these ways of thinking so easily. They'll say, well, you know, 911 happened. But then, but then innocent peaceful Muslims who didn't do anything wrong got blamed. So they're the real victims. I'm like, I'm like, well, hold on. Well, Islamophobia happened, but innocent non Muslims who aren't Islamophobic got blamed. So we're the real victims.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Actually got completely and utterly screwed by this. Islamophobia has been all the hype over the last few decades. And you've got guys like Mehdi Hassan who are at the forefront pushing that in the uk. He was there for decades as this sort of intellectual, but he's not a liberal. He poses as a liberal or an intellectual and he goes and he goes and subverts the united, the United Kingdom political system. And, but, but we know there's videos of him saying, I view non believers in Allah as cattle, right? That's right. And then he moves over to the United States and I don't know how the left don't see this. He is a subverter through.
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Andrew Wilson
And when you ask, no, they do see it.
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Phil Abonti
They think they want to engage in subversion with him. They believe that they will be able to convert, that they will be able to convert him to a liberal orthodoxy. He will not be, he will not be converted to a liberal orthodoxy. Every single time a left leaning liberal, whatever you want to call it, person has aligned with an Islamist, the Islamists win because once the Islamists are given power, they will cut the heads off of people.
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Jake Rattlesnake
The same dilemma that they've got in the UK at the moment. It's the feminist dilemma. Yeah, Feminists are out there in the streets saying mass migration, you know, immigrants are welcome here. And then they get over there and all of the immigrants like, oh yeah, okay, yeah, feminism, cool. And it's like they actually think these liberals, that these people will arrive on the shores of England or America and they will all of a sudden realize their internal yearnings for democracy.
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Rachel Wilson
Right.
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Jake Rattlesnake
And feminism and for transgenderism.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, it's a fantastic point. We were again, we were discussing this the other night and we're doing debate prep. It is in fact the case that Islamic, you know, Islam hates progressives. I mean, they hate progressives. They're a special kind of Hate. But if progressives are the ones advocating that we bring in more, then they will vote along those party lines.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
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Andrew Wilson
To get their cousins in and to get their fathers in and to get their brother husband. Brother husbands.
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Rachel Wilson
Yeah, exactly.
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Andrew Wilson
They'll vote to get all those people in and then they'll, they'll look over and they'll say, okay, now we're in charge. Guess what's going to happen to you. You're exactly right. The question becomes this though is like it's, it's so obvious that that's going on. Right. How is it that these people are able to hold these cross generational plans for this? And Christians are so incapable, we're so incapable of thinking about the Christians who built these hundreds of years cathedrals. You know, it took them hundreds and hundreds of years to finish these great works and now suddenly we're totally blind and we can't do any sort of cross generational planning.
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Seamus Coughlin
We've been infected by liberalism.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah.
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Seamus Coughlin
And ourselves as atomized individuals and not.
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Andrew Wilson
Part of an unbroken lineage. These guys do. And that's what they're doing in the uk and they're like, yes, absolutely. We're all for the liberals. We love the liberals. I heart liberals.
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Jake Rattlesnake
I was listening to Daryl Cooper's podcast, the Fear and Loathing from the New Jerusalem and he made a really good point that we, like you said, Seamus, we are atomized sort of people and we don't really have this unbroken line. But if you go to speak to those guys and you ask them who they are, you'll have to take a seat because you know, they're, you know, father, Father, is this person from this place, you know, third of my line, whatever it is. But you tell us and we're like, you know, I'm jay, go to YouTube channel. We don't really know who we are anymore and where we come from. And I think it's all because of a world.
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Andrew Wilson
No sense. Yeah. No sense of identity anymore.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think you're absolutely right. And one more thing I'll mention about this is you pointed out the fact that obviously Islam is incompatible with progressive ideologies and they hate progressives. And I think there's a certain kind of progressive on the ground who's a young, dumb, starry eyed person who doesn't see that incompatibility or they think that Muslims are going to be grateful to them or agree with them, but the true believers at the top know Muslims hate them and want to kill them. And they don't care because they're fundamentally suicidal. And they also know that Muslims want to kill Christians and that's enough for them. Basically. If you will attack Christians with them, then you are their ally because that's their ultimate goal.
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Phil Abonti
I think that there's a. I think that you're right to a degree. But I do think that at the end of the day they think that their worldview can essentially, essentially they think that they can force their will on, on Islam.
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Seamus Coughlin
I think the starry eyed ones do.
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Phil Abonti
I think it's ridiculous to think that, but I think that, I think that the people that, the people that want to see the US like torn down, I think they believe that once you. Because the way that the left looks at the US and Western society is they see all the bad things and they say if we just tear it down, all of the good things will remain. All of we tear things down. Not because they're just looking to destroy the society. That's not really the goal. They believe that when you tear things down, the good stuff remains. Right. The concept is Alf Haven, it's to destroy as well as to prop up.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Right.
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Andrew Wilson
But maybe there's an easier act explanation for it. Maybe it's just that the same way that Christians no longer think in terms of identity for cross generational planning, maybe progressives really don't anymore either. And they're looking at the here and now just like most of Western society we have. And if you look at the way western society is set up, even in democracy, it's this way, right? It's like you're in for four years. What cross generational plan are those guys exactly? Almost nothing, right? We set everything up for like give me, give me now, give me now, give me now identity now, give me now. There's no cross generational plans. And it's like maybe progressives don't really have one. Maybe their plan right now is just this looks like it's inequality and we need to put a stop to it. And it, the people they're bringing in though are capable of that.
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Phil Abonti
So do you think that the system that, the kind of liberal democracies that we live in, do you think that those are a cause of the atomized individual?
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Seamus Coughlin
Yes.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, yes, of course. Look, universal suffrage is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.
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Phil Abonti
Yes, absolutely. And I agree.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah. And, and the thing is, is like our founders knew it, they didn't trust the electorate.
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Seamus Coughlin
Why they didn't instantiate.
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Andrew Wilson
Why the hell would you ever trust the electorate? They didn't not for a second.
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Phil Abonti
Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
And would left their own devices under the Articles of Confederation. The states didn't trust the election.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah.
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Phil Abonti
To your point. And I want to, I want to make this, I want to articulate this so that way people listening can think of it through this way. Right. People will swear up and down that it's super important that everybody has the right to vote.
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Phil Abonti
It's, it's a, it's a fundamental right. It's so important, blah blah, blah. Then you ask that very same person, how many people do you interact with during the day that are stupid? And they're gonna say, oh, at least half the people. So then why do you want those people to vote if you believe that half the people that you interact with, or more maybe are stupid? Right. They can barely get through the day. You're amazed that they can drive a car. You know, that they can do simple things. If you can't, if you can't fathom these people managing their day to day life, why on earth do you want them?
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Andrew Wilson
Well, if you don't trust a person's wise enough to be the President of the United states until they're 35, why do you trust a person be wise enough to vote for? Yeah, they're 35.
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Rachel Wilson
I don't even think women can pick who they want to date until they're 25. Because they're frontal low.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, they're free from low. But they can vote. It's like.
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Seamus Coughlin
Or be on Only Fans. You can join only fans at 18 years old.
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Jake Rattlesnake
But I never heard a good reason for why some blue haired wannabe Marxist tofu eating university student should be able to vote. I've never heard.
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Rachel Wilson
Well, let's just say what's true is that the reason we have universal suffrage is not because anybody thought that was the best idea that was put into place because then all that elections become and all that democracy becomes is a big dog and pony show where it's just propaganda. It's just who has the most money and the most ads. Well, and it's become a shadow front for like what the real government is. We've been talking about the deep state since 2016. And as long as you have one person, one vote and you're busing in illegal people or dead people are voting and all these other crazy things, it just, it creates like a fog of war where the people who are really running things behind the scenes can get away with murder and do whatever they want.
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Seamus Coughlin
And to take a page from my, my old libertarian days when I was younger. As Hans Herman Hoppe would say, democracy always tends towards the franchise being universalized over libertarianism too.
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Rachel Wilson
That's what happened.
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Seamus Coughlin
Honestly. Just learning a bit more about the Catholic faith did. But yeah, I'll mention this too because we've said a couple things about the fact that like universal voting obviously isn't a great idea. The founders didn't think it was a great idea. I said this the other day. We essentially have a system that's set up in such a way where if a problem needs to be solved and the solution is going to involve short term pain and take more than four years to solve, then you can't solve it. But thank goodness none of our problems can be described that way like they could. No serious issue in the world takes more than four years to deal with.
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Andrew Wilson
All the things which are perceived as strengths we are now seeing in modernity are really big detriments like checks and balances, for instance, that slows the government to like such a slog and crawl that nothing gets done when it's important that it does. We have a government shutdown right now, for instance.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Right.
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Andrew Wilson
All slogged in partisan politics. Right. Checks and balances preventing anything from being done about this. And it's because the distrust was so high that they'd rather see the government doing nothing.
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Andrew Wilson
Than anything. And so the thing is, is like that should give you some insight into what our originators and founders thought of universal suffrage. Like what a terrible idea. What a terrible idea.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Another good example of this as well is that like, like one of the biggest problems we've got is obviously the birth rates. We talk about this a lot. We have a demographic crisis across the West.
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Seamus Coughlin
How does politics, by the way? It's like brewing across the world in general. The UN man has had these predictions for years about when population is going to peak and then start to decrease. And they're like actually really optimistic about when the peak is going to happen. It looks like it's probably going to happen sooner, but I'm not an expert.
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Jake Rattlesnake
But I mean like South Korea 0.7. Like I was just talking to them upstairs about how I've got a friend who's in the South Korean military and they are literally finding South Korean specimen men who are above 6ft tall and they are paying them good money for their, for their load basically.
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Seamus Coughlin
Oh my God.
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Jake Rattlesnake
To go and try and repopulate, to try and create what we were calling the uber Korean.
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Seamus Coughlin
Imagine if there was like, imagine if, imagine if there was just a system set up where Men and women, you know, created children together. Imagine if there was just a way to do that. Imagine people got married.
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Jake Rattlesnake
And it's all on this, on this. So, but what would a politician realistically do, right? If you're going to be campaigning, are you going to come out and say, all right, ladies, back to the kitchen, back to the kitchen. We need to go in, we need to start making love, making babies, making families, or just open the back door and just bring in a bunch of migrants.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, well, kick the can down the road.
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Andrew Wilson
Or even better, you have to pander to that, to that vote, right? So now, unfortunately, that block gets to control whether or not you get any power or not anyway. And so even if it's necessary that you need to move something in society that moves you towards birth rates, if it disaffects any tiny block that could be the swing block for your vote, that pandering completely destroys your ability to make any of those movements happen. And so it's like, for all the goods that you can point to, man, there sure are a lot of bads.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right. Well, speaking of bad things that are going on in the world, White House officials are even acknowledging that they're unhappy about the 50 year mortgage idea released by top housing official sources. This is from CBS News. A proposal for a 50 year mortgage wasn't fully vetted by top Trump administration officials and wasn't ready to be made public, sources told CBS News. You don't say. Over the weekend, top federal housing official Bill Pool floated the idea with President Trump and then approved a truth social post. Some Trump officials this week vented their frustration with him over the new over the move. One source said Mr. Trump was lukewarm about the suggestion. Shut up about it. That's hilarious. Good old Donald Trump. So we were speaking about this yesterday. What do you guys think this is? You think this is just backtracking from the administration? Do you think it was released when it was half baked and they realized that they made a mistake? Or do you think that they love this idea and now they're doing damage control?
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Andrew Wilson
I have, I have a take that may not be that popular.
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Seamus Coughlin
Oh, let me hear it.
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Andrew Wilson
I better throw out an unpopular take here. So we don't all just say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Seamus Coughlin
So we don't all agree.
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Andrew Wilson
I was talking to a very, very rich real estate mogul who pointed something out to me. This was when we were in Vegas. In fact, we were discussing housing and how that's usually always a safe bet for your money. And one of the reasons he said it was is he's like, look, let's say you go get a mortgage right? Tomorrow, you're young, it's your first house, it's an FHA loan, something like that, and you're set in your mortgage price for like $3,000 a month. That's a lot of money for the average person. But in 10 years it won't be.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
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Andrew Wilson
And then in 20 years it really won't be. And in 25 years it won't seem like it's shit. And everybody else will be paying $10,000 a month for their mortgage. And you're at this fixed rate, right? Then what you can do is you can pay that house off extremely quickly because you're at a fixed rate. So these 50 years fixed it is possible. Now, I haven't crunched the math because I only just now started looking at this. I understand you're gonna be paying a shitload more interest and things like this, but if it's the case that you're looking at long term planning for paying off your house quickly and you're, you're banking on inflation, it could actually be a great idea so that young people can get houses now at a more affordable rate and pay them off way quicker after 10 years. If you're banking on inflation, and you should be banking on inflation.
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Rachel Wilson
I think that's the problem though. I think that's what made people so upset about this is it's like, why are we doing this? Like, like, here's a terrible system. Let's create a band aid fix that makes us feel better about it and at least kind of guards against inflation a little bit. And it's like, how about we just don't do more actual usury on top of this ridiculous system that we have that does create perpetual cycles of boom and bust and perpetual inflation. Like these things can't go on forever. And we've been saying this my whole lifetime, that this system needs to change, that the debt based economy needs to change that. The central, you know, banking stuff needs to go. And I think people are just sick. Everybody wants that. I feel like everybody really wants the underlying problems to be fixed and they see this as just like a very goofy like, oh yeah, sure, let me just pay more than double what this house is actually worth.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, it's actually, I think with the 50 year fix is much closer to like triple.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, and this is the concern about it is even though you're right, that some people over the term of the mortgage will be able to get a better payment because it's fixed and because of course, over 50 years and inflation is going to just be completely of control.
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Andrew Wilson
Oh, yeah.
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Seamus Coughlin
The issue though is that as soon as the average person's buying power increases because they can get a 50 year mortgage, the cost of housing is just going to continue to increase. So they're trying to prevent the market correction with this, I think. And it's a correction that just has to happen if young people are going to be able to buy homes.
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Andrew Wilson
I mean, the cost, the cost of housing is going to increase anyway.
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Seamus Coughlin
I think that's true. I think this is going to make it worse. And also, so before we had the 30 year mortgage, I mean before the Great Depression, mortgages were usually on like five year terms and now that we have, have. And then it went to 15 and 20 and then 30 and housing prices like multiplied by four or five. And that's not all attributable to that, but it did a lot, it did a lot.
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Andrew Wilson
To look at the population then.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah. Developers, developers are so bullish on the property market. Like in Australia. I know they are, for sure. In America would be something similar because there's just not enough houses to fill them. Well.
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Andrew Wilson
And you have to, as long as.
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Jake Rattlesnake
That'S the case, the prices are.
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Andrew Wilson
You have to build where there's water.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, right.
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Andrew Wilson
So you have a major restriction there. All the huge cities are built basically where there's water. There's a few exceptions, but not, not many. And so if that's the case, it's like, yeah, people are always saying, you know, the United States, it's, it's very unpopulated and it's like, yeah, for, for the land mass, but not every land mass is all that inhabitable. So you got to look at that and then you got to look at how can you get young people. Because the biggest complaint that I hear from 20 somethings is I can't get a house.
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Seamus Coughlin
And that's a serious, serious problem. That's a small thing.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, and if you want to control for birth rates and you want to control for family units, the idea that young people need to be able to buy a home, tan them out, it's 100%. I mean, it's something that should be focused on. Do I like the idea? No, not at all. But I'm going to at least look first before I ditch it at a silver lining. If you're looking at the fact that we know for sure Trump's only going to be there for a few more years, we can expect there's going to be more Democrat presidents who come in, more Democrat organizations. They're going to do these massive welfare gimme gimmes and that's going to increase the flow of money supply, therefore increase inflation. Right.
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Rachel Wilson
So that's the case Kamala's idea of just more housing projects.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah. When you buy houses, don't you want to be in a market where you know that there's going to be inflation if you have a fixed rate?
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Seamus Coughlin
Of course.
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Andrew Wilson
Of course you do. I mean it's like, like it benefits, it benefits you greatly. So it is something to look at that there could possibly be silver lining here. That's all I'm saying. Now I know it's an unpopular, it's.
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Seamus Coughlin
A band aid and I think it's going to make it worse overall.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah, it is a huge problem though. I mean you're talking about the birth rates like as much as the cultural issues and everything are a massive contributor. It's also urbanization. You know, you go to places like Japan and South Korea who have the lowest birth rates in the world, go to Tokyo or go to Seoul and they're crammed in to tiny little one bedroom apartments like this. They don't want to have kids. And it's a similar thing in the western countries, you know, go into this little one bedroom apartment and what do they call them?
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Rachel Wilson
Apartments?
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Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah, they say that we're dinks.
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Seamus Coughlin
Dual income, no kid.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They become dinks group.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, yeah, we're dinks. And they make those, those tick tocks.
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Rachel Wilson
Are like, oh, we're dinks.
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Seamus Coughlin
We don't have kids. We could do whatever we want. Bro, I gotta make a tick tock where I'm like, I don't have a rescue dog. Haha. Like I don't have to take care of a little animal like, oh, this is my rescue dog. Free life. I don't have to wake up in the morning to take him outside. If you, you ever did that, people would lose their minds. But if you do the exact same thing about having children, they go, you go girl.
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Rachel Wilson
Oh yeah. There was a guy that just interviewed people at like some kind of leftist rally and he was talking about like that they're aborting puppies. Did you see that?
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Seamus Coughlin
Oh yeah. And they were like, that's horrible.
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Rachel Wilson
Yeah. He was explaining abortion as though they were doing it to puppies and how horrible it was. And the people were like, oh my God, we have to stop this, it's so terrible. Until he, they started to slowly Realize he was talking about people, and they.
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Seamus Coughlin
Were like, it's dark.
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Andrew Wilson
It's funny, though, the, the dink thing, it's. Runs contrary to every single kind of a philosopher over the last 2000 years who's looked at the problem of meaning. And so I always try to explain it to people like this. Think of it like a survival craft rpg. What makes that RPG so much fun is gathering all the resources and then spending them. Right? It's spending all the resources because that's the time sink on this, on this, on this. Once you've built everything, the game's not fun anymore.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
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Andrew Wilson
It's not fun anymore. And one of the things about having a family and kids is that you're out there crafting all the resources, right? And there's a sink. There's like kind of this endless sink for resources. And it's like, often what will happen with these people is, well, they get all the things that they want and they have no more purpose or meaning.
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Rachel Wilson
Right.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, it's so bizarre too, because you're correct that every philosopher worth their salt acknowledged that the family unit was the cornerstone of civilization and it gave people meaning. But even the barbarians wanted to have children. They didn't want to take care of them, or they wanted to have them with multiple different women, but they wanted to have children. The idea of, I want to end my bloodline so that I can focus on little pleasures in life. So emasculating and embarrassing. It's not even something that stupid people thought hundreds of years ago, their demon.
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Andrew Wilson
Gods were like, got to have kids. Who we're going to torture.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, exactly. Who you're going to sacrifice. Sacrifice.
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Andrew Wilson
That's the whole point.
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Rachel Wilson
Now we've got people who are like, but I want to go to the Taylor Swift concert and the music festival and everything on the weekends, and I don't really want to have to.
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Andrew Wilson
And it. Well, and it's just. It's a very decadent lifestyle. And what it does is it. It moves away from what we're trying to see in society anyway. Now, it's not a perfect analogy, obviously, the, the survival craft thing, but the point is, is what we're talking about is meaning. And meaning people. If you poll people have children, things like this, they almost always way higher on happiness index than people who don't. And the reason is, is because of meaning. You have great meaning that comes with your bloodline continuing. And from an evolutionary model even, isn't that the primary edict?
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, exactly. If you're just an Evolutionist, you believe that we're the product of some randomized Darwinistic process, then you should recognize that of course that process is going to reward you psychologically for having children. We wouldn't have gotten very far as to spe species if it didn't. But yeah, they argue that you shouldn't have children, you shouldn't have a family. You're a much better consumer if you don't. So it works for the system, but it's just a very jarring thing. One thing people get horrified by nowadays is if you say something to them like, oh, it would be good if you had a family, or if it'd be good if you had kids. That is like a shocking statement that really offends people. But people will constantly say, well, you know, there are some people who just shouldn't have kids. You're allowed to tell people that they shouldn't have kids, which is far, far more insulting.
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Rachel Wilson
Right?
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Seamus Coughlin
But if you tell somebody that they should, all of a sudden you're a monster. But that was a blessing for all of history. To say I. To tell someone, I hope you don't reproduce. It's like not a kind thing to say.
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Andrew Wilson
And there is only the other night.
- [49:09]
Rachel Wilson
On the whatever podcast, that my life would have been much better had I deleted my children.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's insane. She's a sick person, but she's trying to make herself feel better about her own decisions. Well, that's why you say something like that.
- [49:18]
Rachel Wilson
Exactly what she said. She said, if I were in your shoes, I would have had a much better time doing that. And it's like my dad gave me this great piece of advice when I was young. We were talking about some women in our lives that we knew who had like massive self esteem problems and, and never gained any self confidence. And they became these black holes. And he said they, they all think that self esteem comes from other people telling you, oh, you're good enough and you're beautiful the way you are. And he said, that's not where self esteem comes from. It comes from doing difficult things and persevering and learning that you can trust yourself to handle tough things.
- [49:51]
Seamus Coughlin
That's exactly right. Like, can I trust me?
- [49:53]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
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Seamus Coughlin
Am I able? Not. Does everyone pat me on the back and tell me how great I trust.
- [49:57]
Rachel Wilson
Myself to handle this and follow through and do hard things. And then as you do those hard things, you, you build actual self esteem and actual confidence. That's something that everyone's lacking, like the younger generation. That's why they're all Anxious and depressed and everything.
- [50:12]
Andrew Wilson
It's like communication skills.
- [50:14]
Seamus Coughlin
No, they can't even talk to people. There's literally no communion.
- [50:18]
Rachel Wilson
And they have meltdowns if they have to work more than four hours at a time. Because it's just, they don't believe that they can do anything hard.
- [50:25]
Phil Abonti
I knew I had a friend of mine that for a long time she couldn't call to order a pizza because that kind of interaction was too stressful.
- [50:33]
Seamus Coughlin
These are the. Also, by the way, like, I'm not saying we shouldn't take the problem of left wing violence seriously because there are lunatics out there who will actually do it. But just so you know, like, a lot of the people threatening you on the Internet are afraid to make phone calls. They are too afraid to make their own doctors appoint one thing.
- [50:45]
Andrew Wilson
One thing I'd point out is actually because of the rate of mental illness on the left, the rhetoric that they use is 10 times worse. Even if it's similar to that of right wingers. Let's just say it was. It's still 10 times worse because their appeal is always to that lunatic fringe. It's always to the craziest people. And those crazy people, they're always in their discords. You ever go to like a destiny discord. Oh my God. You ever go to a Vosh discord? Holy shit. Like, it, it's. Yeah, it's hell on wheels and the lowest common denominator of people. And they're the sickest, craziest people you can imagine. And they're the easiest to influence.
- [51:23]
Seamus Coughlin
Well, I've said this a number of times on the show. I'm gonna sound like a broken record here, but my argument is that leftism is just a word we use to describe the intellectual rationalization for social decay. Whenever someone doesn't want to do what they're supposed to do and they find a highfalutin argument to, you know, cover their, their laziness or their basically viciousness. This they. They call it leftist theory. Anytime some leftist comes out with a new groundbreaking theory, it's just like why I shouldn't have a bedtime, why I should be able to eat fruit snacks all day. You know, it's just another version of them trying to. Their idea, their childish.
- [51:54]
Andrew Wilson
Their idea rights is always what can I do that has no duties associated with it. That's more degenerate.
- [52:00]
Seamus Coughlin
Yes.
- [52:01]
Andrew Wilson
What, what right to more degeneracy can I have?
- [52:04]
Seamus Coughlin
And so the more degenerate a person is, the more likely they're going to gravitate towards always.
- [52:08]
Andrew Wilson
And this. This is the idea.
- [52:12]
Phil Abonti
The more right it is.
- [52:12]
Andrew Wilson
I don't even think that they have new.
- [52:14]
Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
- [52:15]
Andrew Wilson
I don't even think that they have good arguments or new arguments. You know that post that went viral on Twitter that 90% of debating with leftists is them pretending they don't know what things mean.
- [52:25]
Seamus Coughlin
Yes. Millennial lows.
- [52:27]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah. And them pretending that what you're saying is incoherent when it's not incoherent. Now there's people who say incoherent things. But one of the reasons I'm so tough in semantics when I'm debating with leftists is because it holds them.
- [52:40]
Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
- [52:41]
Andrew Wilson
To the meanings of what they say. And you've never seen people freak out so bad in your life. I just had this university student, Naima, debated with her. Right. Just getting the semantics in order. You've never seen a person panic and freak out more when I just asked her, what does this mean? So I can hold you to that standard. And just watching them freak out because that's important. Because they want to equivocate and use ambiguity.
- [53:05]
Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
- [53:06]
Andrew Wilson
So that they don't have to commit to anything. So they just pretend what you're saying doesn't make any sense. And it's like, yeah, these people are crazy.
- [53:14]
Seamus Coughlin
And people will say the devil's in the details. I think it's the opposite. I think the devil's in the ambiguity. It's always, how can I get away with saying two things at once? Dude.
- [53:22]
Andrew Wilson
The most common fallacy in a debate is equivocation. And that's what that is. It's the use of ambiguous language to move between meanings of words when they suit you for the argument that you're making. Now, evil doesn't mean that. It means this.
- [53:36]
Seamus Coughlin
This.
- [53:36]
Andrew Wilson
Now you know that's right. Now, homosexual doesn't mean this. It means that. Now government doesn't mean this. I meant it as this. And that's why pinning.
- [53:46]
Seamus Coughlin
You're just not educated. And then they do the snob like you're not educated enough to know what the government means.
- [53:50]
Andrew Wilson
Now that's the thing. And that's why it's so important to pin him down on semantics right in the beginning of a debate. Because he's absolutely right. They pretend that they just don't understand anything. It's like, fine, if you're going to pretend that, then I'm going to sit at this table till you do.
- [54:04]
Phil Abonti
We share a vocabulary with the left.
- [54:06]
Rachel Wilson
It.
- [54:06]
Phil Abonti
But we do not share a dictionary with the left.
- [54:09]
Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, not the same definition, just plain mean.
- [54:13]
Andrew Wilson
Like even words. Every definition has limits.
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Andrew Wilson
And it's like, can we just pretend? Can we stop pretending that they don't?
- [55:24]
Jake Rattlesnake
It was the arrogance, though, of that debate. Because the beauty of it was that you got her to. She was so arrogant and she was so, like, spiteful that she just wanted to argue against everything that you said. So you were able to make her argue my view against her own worldview.
- [55:40]
Rachel Wilson
He took on her worldview and argued it as if it was his own. And she was. And she just condemned it and said it was crazy and said it was awful. And he's like. And that's your position.
- [55:50]
Seamus Coughlin
I want to piggyback off something Phil said because you made a. A point and it was a joke, but I actually think it was pretty profound and true when you said the more degenerate it is, the more of a right it is.
- [55:58]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
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Seamus Coughlin
I remember making this joke during COVID and this is a family show, so I'll try to be a little bit careful here. There's also a lady presence. I'll be a little careful with my language. But they were saying, you can't shot at me. No, no, no.
- [56:10]
Tim Bearskin
Absolutely not.
- [56:11]
Seamus Coughlin
No, no, no, no, no, no.
- [56:13]
Phil Abonti
It should have been.
- [56:14]
Seamus Coughlin
No mention it. What. What I'm trying to express is like during COVID can't go to church. Right. You can't go to work, you can't feed your family. Can't do these things. And I was like, dude. And they laughed at you, they said, huh? You think your freedom's so important? Like you just, you, you know, you're.
- [56:31]
Andrew Wilson
Gonna prevent anything they say with guns, by the way.
- [56:33]
Seamus Coughlin
Exactly, exactly. You think your freedom's so important people are gonna die.
- [56:36]
Jake Rattlesnake
Blah, blah, blah.
- [56:36]
Seamus Coughlin
They were laughing at you for asserting legitimate freedoms. And I thought this at the time, I was like, dude, if literally, if the government said that like sodomy increases the likelihood of getting Covid and they tried to restrict it, they were, they would lose their mind. And then what happened? Monkeypox. Monkeypox happened. And we were told we had to stay locked down and we couldn't go to our jobs. And they had to give the largest transfer of wealth that ever happened in all of history to the richest people in the country. We were told, sit down, shut up, because this virus is serious. But then when it came to monkeypox, it was like, well, we can't tell people not to do that because that's the fundamental right. Because the more degenerate it is, the more of a right it is.
- [57:08]
Rachel Wilson
Andrew just had a guy in a, he had like a five on one style debate and he, he literally had a guy tell him that this country was.
- [57:17]
Andrew Wilson
He got way too excited before she finished there. Okay, Way too.
- [57:21]
Rachel Wilson
Calm down, Phil. Yeah, the guy said to Andrew that America was founded for people to be able to be degenerate. He said that?
- [57:29]
Seamus Coughlin
This is what this guy said to you?
- [57:30]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah, he literally said. And Andrew said, no.
- [57:32]
Seamus Coughlin
What about until people could be degenerate?
- [57:35]
Rachel Wilson
Which was perfect.
- [57:36]
Andrew Wilson
It's the most, it's the most ridiculous thing because you know, one of the things really funny here is we have all these documents. I mean, we have so many of these documents, not just from the founders, but from the contributors of which there's thousands, thousands of contributors to the Constitution. It's like they. One thing that was of a universal agreement for democracy is that you had to have a moral populace.
- [58:00]
Rachel Wilson
Yes.
- [58:00]
Seamus Coughlin
Amen.
- [58:01]
Andrew Wilson
Or it wasn't even possible. And we don't.
- [58:05]
Seamus Coughlin
Not even close.
- [58:05]
Andrew Wilson
And so it's not. And that's it. That's really that right? That's that.
- [58:09]
Seamus Coughlin
Well, and that's the crisis in this country right now with respect to government is how do we maintain a style of government made for moral populace when we don't have a moral populace? And people don't want to say it out loud because, oh well, this is offensive. And you can't label the government as having any like, religious motivation or underpinnings, but a Christian government, like, how do you maintain.
- [58:26]
Andrew Wilson
I Guess it should then.
- [58:27]
Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, yeah. Like how do you maintain a Christian government or a Christian legal system, which is what we have in essence. People are so.
- [58:33]
Jake Rattlesnake
With a pagan culture these days, people are so in denial. I'm seeing that debate everywhere. America is not a real Christian country. Like, I heard Vivek Ramaswamy doing a speech the other day and some kid comes up and asks him, you're a Hindu, how are you going to be president or governor, whatever, if the Hindu values don't align with the Christian values? And he goes, son, I want to give you a copy of the Constitution. And he gave it. It was like real super condescending. And I was just thinking to myself, if the founders of America had have known that there was going to be a Hindu running for president, they would have definitely thought twice, put it that way. Because if you look at the 35.
- [59:06]
Seamus Coughlin
Would not have been the only requirement.
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Jake Rattlesnake
If you look at the context of that time, like this is a time when they didn't even have any contact with Hindu countries at all. Maybe loosely throughout Europe, like the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads maybe just started to make it to Europe. Like if they had a, like they were not thinking the same back then as, as they are now. If you thought there was going to be Arab Muslims coming in and being governor of New York, like a mayor of New York.
- [59:28]
Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Be unthinkable for them.
- [59:30]
Seamus Coughlin
And by the way, we did a show with Vivek. I was actually hosting that time. It was a great conversation. Smart guy. But yeah, I don't buy this idea that we can just interchange these religions, Christianity and Hinduism. It doesn't work. And you see this rhetoric from more and more people on the right. It's not just him. We're a Hindeu Christian nation. It's like, no, like this is not. These are different sets of ideas. Yeah, that's mine.
- [59:53]
Jake Rattlesnake
You could borrow like five of them in the cabinet.
- [59:55]
Rachel Wilson
I'm not Hindu, but I will fight.
- [59:56]
Andrew Wilson
For your right to be Hindu, Christian, Judeo Christian. Any of these things are incompatible. You can't.
- [60:02]
Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
You can't have a new subset of value structures come in and not have conflict with the old ever. Yeah. And the thing is you can't also say that you don't want these things to change, these amendments to change, which are ratifications of God given rights, and then deny the God from which they're drawn. Amen. And so ultimately, I think what you see here is once again, we're being conquered. We're being externally conquered and that's because of internal policy. And I don't know exactly what you're supposed to do about this with universal suffrage, man. I don't even know that there's an answer to it.
- [60:42]
Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Are we just on a trajectory where society's gonna fall apart? I've thought about this too. There's a great quote. I probably say this like every other week on the show. Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen said that communism is not what destroys society. It's the rot that sets in when your society's already been destroyed. And I think that that's true, honestly, of a lot of the social problems we're seeing. We're going, how do we save the country from this? And it's like, well, if that's happening, in some sense, it's too late. But God can raise the dead, right? So I'm not, I'm not black pilled on it. I think our country could come back. It just won't be.
- [61:11]
Andrew Wilson
Look, I want Renaissance as much as the next guy. That's what I'm always advocating.
- [61:14]
Seamus Coughlin
Right?
- [61:15]
Andrew Wilson
Renaissance, Renaissance, Renaissance. Not revolution.
- [61:18]
Seamus Coughlin
Amen.
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Andrew Wilson
But the thing is, and here we've, we've had them before and they can happen rapidly. But here, here's what I see. I see a predecadent population and that's what I see.
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Rachel Wilson
The irony of that is that what are you going to get out of that? Not democracy. You're going to get a tyrant. And it's just like, who, what kind of strong man is going to come out of that? Historically, it's not usually very good. That's why Andrew's always trying to advocate for Christians to start feeling more comfortable governing using their Christian morals and not, not this crazy idea that everyone except us can do that. Right. The Muslims can govern with their Muslim worlds and the Hindus can govern.
- [61:56]
Andrew Wilson
If you don't wield power as Christians, people will wield power against you as Christians.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, and this is one of the hilarious little bits of rhetoric we've heard for the past several decades. You can't legislate your values.
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Andrew Wilson
Yes.
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Seamus Coughlin
It's like, well, it's funny because what they're, they're, no, they're being sincere. They're saying you can't legislate your values.
- [62:13]
Rachel Wilson
We can.
- [62:14]
Seamus Coughlin
You can't legislate anything but values by the play.
- [62:16]
Rachel Wilson
It literally.
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Jake Rattlesnake
They just rely on you accepting the presupposition that we should govern as secularists.
- [62:22]
Rachel Wilson
Right.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, or government. Or govern the supposition that, well, I Know what Christians really should be doing? Not Christians. Yeah, yeah, I hear that more than anything. You're not a real Christian. I go, are you a Christian? And they go, no. And I go, what the hell are you talking about?
- [62:36]
Seamus Coughlin
Then, yeah, you're gonna sit here.
- [62:37]
Jake Rattlesnake
What are you.
- [62:38]
Andrew Wilson
What are you talking.
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Seamus Coughlin
Or my favorite is when they go, how very pro life of you. Anytime you say anything to, you call yourself pro life. And yet you don't think we should be funding Latinx folks in Uganda having slam poetry sessions. You know how many people will die if we don't do that?
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Andrew Wilson
It's like, come on, 35 cents to secure the kids from AIDS in Africa, you want to take that away from. You said, what kind of monster are you? And you're like, okay, 1 million abortions a year right here, though. Well, that's woman's right.
- [63:04]
Seamus Coughlin
Exactly.
- [63:05]
Jake Rattlesnake
Going to accept. You just said Latinx folks. And you get. There probably is some sort of a subculture, you know, so good.
- [63:14]
Rachel Wilson
There's like three of them.
- [63:16]
Seamus Coughlin
Listen. You never know. But listen, speaking of Christian policy and sensible policy, one thing that's gone completely out the window over the course of the past several decades is any semblance of law and order punishing people when they break the law. We're told it's too complicated. We're told that you can't just lock up the people who are breaking the law and then have the law be broken less often as a result of that. It's just. It's too complicated. That's what these very smart people with a lot of degrees keep telling us. And yet, as it turns out time and time again, when you try this, it seems to work. And so even though we don't have any statistical or any official stats on this that we've pulled up, we do have a great statement from the President of the United States. And as a patriot, that's enough of an authority for me, Donald J. Trump said, I am proud to announce that Chicago, Illinois, despite all of the radical opposition and obstruction we have from the mayor and the governor, has seen car theft, shooting, shootings, robberies, violent crime, and everything else drop dramatically since the launch of the DHS Operation Midway Blitz in Chicago only weeks ago. Shootings are down 35%, robberies are down 41%, and carjackings are down 50%. Guys, I thought this was too complicated.
- [64:24]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah. I thought we just have to hug them and give them money and resources and then they'll just behave. They'll just want to be good.
- [64:31]
Seamus Coughlin
Their mom never took them to Disney as a kid or gave them cocoa. And that's why they broke the law.
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Andrew Wilson
Progressives have been, when we found this out recently, and I've been covering many of the various podcasters who've broken these stories, or at least enhanced them, that many progressive cities have been for years lying about the crime rates by simply allocating crimes in different categories where they don't belong and then saying, see, violent crime is dropping. Well, sure it is. I'm sure violent crime is dropping. If you consider mugging, like jaywalking, right? Then absolutely. All of a sudden, violent crime is going to drop drastically. But. And what they want to do, the reason that's being done, people go, why would they do that? Why would they do that? And it's like, well, it's really simple. It's because they want to say our policies where we're soft on crime and we're focusing on the economic end of what's going on with the minority crime population. Right? That's working. And here you can see that that's working because after all, we just kind of mismanage what we consider violent crime or other types of crime, put them in different categories, and then we can say our economic solutions are working instead of the jail cell. And it's like, no, they're not working. And here's what does work. Isn't it amazing? When law enforcement locks people up and judges give them sentences, crime starts to decrease rapidly. Now, I'll give you an example of where this happened that's easy to point at. Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
- [66:00]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
Did a fantastic job. And don't ever tell me stop and frisk didn't work.
- [66:03]
Seamus Coughlin
It worked 100%.
- [66:05]
Andrew Wilson
Okay, it worked. And don't tell me that the tough crime stances haven't worked. They have worked worked, because we know.
- [66:13]
Seamus Coughlin
That most of these crimes are committed by a small handful of repeat offenders. You put those people in a cage and they stop committing the crime. The socioeconomic factors don't grab someone else and make them do it.
- [66:21]
Rachel Wilson
All right?
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Seamus Coughlin
Like, those people chose to commit the crime.
- [66:24]
Rachel Wilson
How many news stories have you seen this year where some guy who just got out of prison for, like, the 13th time goes and does something awful and it makes the news. And we always find out, oh, this guy's already been arrested and put in jail 30 times. And these liberal judges just keep letting them out. You look at something like Singapore, where they're really, really tough on drugs. Like, if you do major drug trafficking there, you go to prison forever, and they have practically no drug Trafficking.
- [66:49]
Jake Rattlesnake
If you litter on the street, you go to prison.
- [66:51]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
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Jake Rattlesnake
In Singapore.
- [66:52]
Rachel Wilson
Now, I'm not saying undercooked over, but it does show that like, yes, these punitive, more punitive punishments work. It's like there's a reason Vlad the Impaler started doing what he was doing because things were out of control.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, it's amazing when, when a diplomatic observer came to Romania and said, how can you guys have gold in the street in one of their major cities? And he's point over and there's all these people impaled and it's like that's how we can have gold in the streets.
- [67:23]
Seamus Coughlin
Well, exactly. I mean these things come as a reaction. They don't fall from the sky. And one of the reasons it's so important to have law and order, I mean the primary reason is because you need to have law and order. But the left is constantly belling about the fact that we need to be terrified of a right wing strongman while they do everything that they can to create one. If you don't want, want insane cruel and unusual punishments forced on petty criminals, you know how you can prevent that happening from happening? Maybe by not giving rapists three month long sentences. Maybe that's one of the things that could help us not overreact to petty crimes. This is one thing that we see in Europe too. In Germany, a woman was given a longer sentence than her rapist for calling him a pig in a group chat.
- [68:02]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah.
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Seamus Coughlin
Which is just insanity. I mean, listen, man, I'm sorry. People react to that and people don't react to that that reasonably in a way where they put like sensible policy in place that just puts the, the rapist in prison.
- [68:14]
Andrew Wilson
Insane policy.
- [68:16]
Seamus Coughlin
They, they react in the opposite direction. It's not like, well, they end up finding the reasonable right thing to do with rapists. It's like, no, they just round up everyone who they think is criminal, including people who've committed more petty crimes. And then like other injustices happen more on the side of being too brutal.
- [68:32]
Rachel Wilson
Right.
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Seamus Coughlin
And if you're.
- [68:33]
Andrew Wilson
Well, can I ask you something about this? Because this piggybacks off of something that's an interesting phenomenon happening right now in the conservative civil war that you see mostly playing out on X.
- [68:43]
Seamus Coughlin
Sure.
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Andrew Wilson
And because it's mostly playing out on X, that must mean that that's how it all is all over the world.
- [68:49]
Seamus Coughlin
Of course.
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Andrew Wilson
But anyway, at least on X you have what is or was coined by James Lindsay and others before him as the quote woke. Right, yeah, Cringe. Right. And the Quote, woke, right? They're saying is neo Nazis this and that, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The other side's firing back, including guys like Fuentes. Fuentes often held up as being one of the, like, forefront leaders of this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's what I see, though, and I wanted your take on this. It seems to me that if you go on as an anonymous account, right, and you say, mustache man, good. And you say a bunch of neo Nazi shit, people freak out. And that's funny. Okay, that's really, really, really funny.
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Seamus Coughlin
It's. What you're saying is it's trolling.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, and it's really funny. And as long as people continue to panic about it, right, they're going to continue to like, isn't that the case?
- [69:48]
Phil Abonti
It's so, like, not all the time, because it's true. I do think that it's trolling. I think that, that it's funny. But I also do think that Nick Fuentes doesn't like Jews.
- [69:57]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, I agree. I agree. But I think, I think his stuff with Mustache man, there was a clip that was going around, I don't know if it was from yesterday or today that I saw where he was giving an explanation for this. And he was like, look, when I do this, it pisses off. It pisses off everybody. And they make the demand that I'm not allowed to.
- [70:17]
Phil Abonti
Yes.
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Andrew Wilson
And you're not allowed to do that or else there's going to be serious repercussions. And he's like, through that gateway, I've been able to draw a lot more attention to the things that I want than I ever could have imagined just due to your reaction to this. And it's like, how's that not a brilliant strategy? One, one, and two, how is it not the case that progressives himself to kind of agree with this take here, aren't building their own Mustache Man? Because it seems like if it's the, if it's the case that, that it drives him crazy. Drives him crazy. The reaction is more oppression, more oppression to one side. Oh, then it drives them crazy again when they larp that way. And then oppression, oppression. How do you not end up with the same strong man that he's talking of about. That's my question is like, how.
- [71:04]
Phil Abonti
Yeah, I. I mean, I don't. I, I think that the. I think that the reaction to Nick Fuentes has been entirely the wrong reaction.
- [71:12]
Seamus Coughlin
Right?
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Phil Abonti
Like the whole, like, you know, debanking him, keep putting him on no fly list and stuff like That I think that's all been a bad reaction. And I don't, I don't have a. I don't have a significant problem with the things that he, with him saying things that are, that are offensive or whatever. I just, I, I do think that it's. That he is telling the truth. Generally. There are people out there that say it's all a troll.
- [71:34]
Andrew Wilson
Right.
- [71:34]
Phil Abonti
There are people that say he doesn't actually believe any of the things that he's. It's all a troll. I don't think that's accurate.
- [71:39]
Andrew Wilson
I do think, I think he, I definitely, 100% the things he's confirmed that he believes that there's Jewish organizations which are responsible for infiltration of the US Government. There's no doubt he says this often and there's some truth to what's going on with AIPAC and others. And no one's gonna deny any of that.
- [71:57]
Phil Abonti
There is out there. There is, There is.
- [71:59]
Andrew Wilson
But that's not really the question for me. The question for me is the question.
- [72:02]
Seamus Coughlin
Is about right wing.
- [72:03]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah. It's not really about whether or not what Fuentes personally is doing. Right, wrong or indifferent. But rather, isn't it the case that if you do that type of trolling and the left freaks out collectively. Right. And loses their mind, how does that not incentivize more?
- [72:21]
Seamus Coughlin
One of the things that's really interesting too is the left wants to frame itself as the underdog at all times. Times. So this is something I saw recently where they were trying to make this Mandami edit, where they were almost, they were almost trying to go for the esthetic of like a very edgy kind of fashy right wing meme.
- [72:39]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah.
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Seamus Coughlin
And it was funny because it's like, well, listen, the left wing symbols don't elicit that reaction basically from anyone, including conservatives. Like, people don't freak out about it. That also might be part of why younger people aren't seeing it as being equally transgressive or something that would shake the system up in the same way. Way.
- [72:56]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, I think, like, well, because, like, we don't care. We have a sense of humor. That's one. And two, the left can't meme.
- [73:03]
Seamus Coughlin
That's also true.
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Andrew Wilson
Okay, the left can't meme.
- [73:05]
Jake Rattlesnake
Also, the boomer, sort of neocon Zionist right can't meme either. And what you're talking.
- [73:10]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, I know that's true.
- [73:12]
Jake Rattlesnake
Like, they can't at all. And they don't get it. They don't get that this younger generation of like American America first, conservatives, these sort of reactionaries, they come from a meme culture. Like, they live and breathe that.
- [73:24]
Andrew Wilson
And I think they're making love when they're in bed.
- [73:27]
Jake Rattlesnake
But what. What you're. Though, I think that applies more to them now than it does to the left. They are losing their minds about it.
- [73:33]
Andrew Wilson
Oh, yeah, it's good.
- [73:34]
Rachel Wilson
Mark Levin is a meme generator at this point.
- [73:37]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, it's true. And so it's like. I don't know, man. I think. I think if you're talking about that whole problem reaction, solution thing, then if it's like the problem is these guys are driving you crazy with their memes and they're driving you crazy with their trolling, and your reaction is, we got to shut Twitter down. We have to suppress rights. We have to do things like this. Aren't you giving them exactly what it's.
- [73:59]
Seamus Coughlin
And it's. Well, there's kind of a. Almost like a perfect symbiosis there between someone who is trying to troll the left and say these outrageous things and the left, because they have to retain this victim status and they have to go, everyone in America is actually secretly a Nazi white supremacist. And they're just fomenting. They're frothing at the mouth, trying to ensure that there's another holocaust and that it happens in the United States. And so to them, like, there's an incentive to seek out people who say things like that new or edgy and like some Anon account. And for the Anon account, of course, they want that reaction. So it just plays into itself. And then you wonder how much of this actually reflects what people are saying or doing in real life.
- [74:35]
Rachel Wilson
No, it just becomes a Batman and Joker thing.
- [74:37]
Jake Rattlesnake
That's entertaining as well. Like, the whole thing is quite entertaining to watch. And Fuentes is no doubt an entertaining guy as well. It's a little bit more loose, a little bit more unscripted, a little bit more like shaking off the shackles sort of thing. And I think people really like entertainment mixed with politics.
- [74:51]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
- [74:52]
Jake Rattlesnake
And those guys on the sort of boomers, neocon, Zionist. Right. They are not very entertaining at all.
- [74:58]
Andrew Wilson
Well, but what is entertaining is watching all of them fight. Yeah, that's super entertaining.
- [75:04]
Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah.
- [75:04]
Andrew Wilson
And so as long as that's going to be the case, aren't you going to end up with my team? Your team?
- [75:09]
Jake Rattlesnake
Like, it has to be. I don't see. I don't see it. Like, this is a very important issue for both sides.
- [75:14]
Rachel Wilson
Right.
- [75:14]
Jake Rattlesnake
I don't see this resolving in any sort of amicable way anytime soon.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, well, speaking of which, we had a. A very entertaining story next. But I, We. We got away from it for a second. A Protestant pastor says that polygamy is biblical and that it was divinely ordained. I've been seeing this all over Twitter today. I don't know if you guys have. Have noticed this at all. What a great story. This guy's not backing down from his claim that he could have multiple wives. Wives. Rich Tidewell, a pastor in Canton, Missouri, has sparked an online debate about the acceptance of polygamy in Christianity and whether or not it is biblically justified. He says, I have two beautiful wives. To the expected amount of backlash. He recently made an announcement on his Instagram page that his second wife is expecting his eighth child. All right, this is kind of what I was saying earlier. Even though obviously we disavow. This guy's not talking about real Christianity. There was a time when even the barbarians wanted children.
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Rachel Wilson
Children.
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Seamus Coughlin
He says I have two beautiful wives. Tidewell wrote in a long entry. We are thrilled for what the Lord has done for our family. All right, so firstly, I. I don't know what his argument is, but I assume he's actually probably making some version of the argument that the left will often make when we talk about marriage and biblical morality, which is the Bible.
- [76:26]
Rachel Wilson
Has polygamy in it.
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Seamus Coughlin
Not everything that the Bible describes is something it's recommending that you do. In fact, a lot of what's described. It's from Trent Horn. A lot of what's described in the Bible is stuff you're not supposed to be doing. It's a cautionary.
- [76:38]
Jake Rattlesnake
Or it's just descriptive.
- [76:39]
Seamus Coughlin
Ye. Yeah, exactly. It's just. Or it's just descriptive.
- [76:42]
Andrew Wilson
Right.
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Seamus Coughlin
So to me, this is not all that shocking. It seems shocking because it exists in one direction, but for decades, we have been seeing people try to claim that the Bible doesn't actually say what it says about God's plan for marriage, about sexuality, et cetera. You know, my particular perversion is permissible. I don't know. Who are we to judge, right? I've been, We've been told for decades.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, I mean, honestly, it's hard for me to care as much anymore anymore. I used to hit this issue hard on polygyny with the multiple wives thing. And you're right, it's not biblical and it's completely immoral, and it's totally unjustified. But didn't they just marry four guys?
- [77:19]
Seamus Coughlin
It's so sad.
- [77:20]
Andrew Wilson
They just married Four guys. Yeah, yeah.
- [77:23]
Rachel Wilson
We have gay throuples.
- [77:24]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah. They just married.
- [77:25]
Seamus Coughlin
They just married just short of a restaurant.
- [77:27]
Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
Who did that? Where was that at? Do you remember?
- [77:30]
Rachel Wilson
Oh, it was somewhere in Europe, I think.
- [77:32]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [77:34]
Seamus Coughlin
And someone's probably gonna sell him a baby.
- [77:35]
Andrew Wilson
But the thing, the thing is, it's.
- [77:36]
Jake Rattlesnake
Like it doesn't become a day kiss.
- [77:38]
Rachel Wilson
I think it was the uk.
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Andrew Wilson
Leftist logic can't ground any of this. So leftists can't really tell you that this is immoral. They can't because if they make the claim that, well, three people getting married is immoral. Right. We would just ask them, well, how would you ground that? They would just say the societal consequences are bad. It'd be like, I could do that with homosexuality or any number of different things. So that makes no sense as an argument. Ultimately, this, right, you're going to see more of it under leftist rule because they're going to have less and less way to combat it with any sort of ground. Like how could they tell them no?
- [78:14]
Rachel Wilson
Yes.
- [78:14]
Andrew Wilson
They can't tell them no. That if they go to them and say, look, how could this possibly be worse for society than homosexual monkey pox?
- [78:22]
Rachel Wilson
Right?
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Andrew Wilson
They're. The argument back's going to be, well, like I guess it's not. And you do you bro, as long as you're not hurting anybody.
- [78:29]
Seamus Coughlin
My dad called it monkey around pox.
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Andrew Wilson
I thought why we need, why we need need, you know, monogamy more than anything else is because we have an equal distribution of men to women. And you really want to make sure that the underclass is married and having children because otherwise they start killing people in a big way collectively. They start killing people because one of the biggest accesses of resources for men isn't the money and it isn't the sports car and it isn't the. That sexual access and what you get with a wife, wife is sexual access. And that is part of the domestication of men which allows a society to function. That's why monogamous societies do way better always. Polygynous societies do because of that sexual access.
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Seamus Coughlin
No. And it's true. And it's like to varying degrees of wholesomeness, because you can have guys who say, I genuinely just want to have a family and so they get married. And then there are some guys who, they're just trying to have sex. But in a monogamous culture, that drive is oriented towards something productive instead of destructive, which is producing children. Literally.
- [79:28]
Andrew Wilson
Literally.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right. So I just want to make this point, George Gilder writes about this in his book Men and Marriage where he points out, and this is written like the late 80s, early 90s, I believe. But he points out that literally in every society throughout all of history, the most dangerous people around have been unmarried young men. If you can create a population of unmarried, perpetually unmarried killers, they're going to be killers. Now here's the thing for corporate America, those people make great consumers. And so it seems as if there's been this effort to keep men young and unmarried, but to kind of unicize them so that they're good producers and they're not scary. That doesn't work. They're still to be scary, man.
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Andrew Wilson
But they're not like inherently killers. No, no, no, no, of course. But what it is, is it's like where do you go? You, you would go into the military, you would become mercenaries and you would be way more willing to take high risk things for high reward because that's where like the dopamine hit comes the fun again. There's no resource sync. Right. And, and so that's why this isn't.
- [80:23]
Seamus Coughlin
Like men bad, this is just realistic.
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Andrew Wilson
No, no, men good and different. Yeah, men benevolent actually. But, but my point is, is to point this out is like the reason you want your young men married and producing families and you don't want them sidelined with no sexual access is because if you have like 20% of your population that's like that, you're going to have a serious problem on your hands where these people don't. They're not risk averse.
- [80:47]
Rachel Wilson
Why do you think it's so easy to recruit young Muslim men to terrorist cells?
- [80:53]
Andrew Wilson
Why do you think it was so easy? I think how easy it was to recruit, recruit mercenaries under the promise you carry off the enemy women.
- [81:01]
Seamus Coughlin
Right.
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Andrew Wilson
The idea here, the idea here was always the same. They were plunder once upon a time. And so yeah, but the ultimately if you have 20%, 15%, something like this, who are not risk averse and they are high testosterone and not recover. Oh man.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah. In terms of poly, like you look at the Arab cultures for example, they've got a huge problem with this in the sense, sense that a lot of the top status men get all of the wives and it creates this huge underclass of men. And you'll notice that all of the immigrants coming into Europe, there's not many women and children, it's all men. And what that is is it's the underclass of men who have no access to women trying to get it.
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Seamus Coughlin
I Never even thought about that.
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Jake Rattlesnake
So they're coming into these, into these Western countries and you imagine they're coming into Sweden and they see a blonde hair, blue eyed girl who's got a, wearing a short skirt and to them she's essentially a pro prostitute.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, and we, we have been told through various court cases from judges in the EU that they just don't know any better.
- [81:54]
Jake Rattlesnake
I mean you look at, you look at the grooming, their culture, a lot.
- [81:57]
Andrew Wilson
Of them are inbred, may not know better, honestly, which is why you probably shouldn't bring them to your, to your country.
- [82:01]
Jake Rattlesnake
5% of Pakistan.
- [82:02]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah. 65 of Pakistan. That's outrageous.
- [82:06]
Jake Rattlesnake
But like, yeah, you look at the grooming gangs over there and they, they were essentially, their excuse was that while, you know, in, in our culture, culture this is allowed, these are essentially spoils of war here and they're not Muslims so they don't get treated the same as us. And that was their justification for it. So it's not like it was frowned upon or anything.
- [82:25]
Seamus Coughlin
And by the, this is stated openly and when these people have to testify, they'll say things like this. It is not some kind of hidden secret they openly acknowledge. Yes, we do think that this is what white girls are for and white women are for. This is not something somebody made up to make you feel a certain way. This is not the billionaire saying the immigration immigrant wants to take your cookie like we've seen in that meme. This is from the, this is from their mouths. These are words from their mouths.
- [82:46]
Jake Rattlesnake
Yep. They're, they're, they're sex.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Destitute people coming from polygynous societies into western countries. Sergi when you think about the magnitude of it.
- [83:26]
Andrew Wilson
And the women are single, right?
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Seamus Coughlin
They're, they're, even if they're not, they don't care.
- [83:30]
Andrew Wilson
Well, they're often using their child like kind of their child rearing years to go to college and university. Right. Things like this. They don't have a man on their arm. There's nothing to fight the wolves off.
- [83:40]
Seamus Coughlin
And the fathers are told you're a horrible patriarch. If you want to protect your daughter.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah. I mean, so it's a nightmare. He's making a great point like these are good solid reasons why monogamy should be the go to for any western society. Even if it was the case we didn't believe in God and Christianity, it still should be. Now you and I would say the reason is, is because you're still moving towards God and Christianity by doing that. But ultimately from the secular perspective, just the outcome base, it should be that way. But because they have to justify the alternative degeneracy, they have to endorse this.
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Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
And that's what your society is going to look like.
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Rachel Wilson
Exactly. You were right at the beginning when you said it's because we've accepted this morally relative framework that even Christians, even Christians especially, you know, not to sorry Protestants, but you guys have this idea that everybody has their right to, you know, their individual interpretation. So you can't. That plus the moral relativistic framework. You can't tell this guy no. How are you going to tell him no? And you're letting the Muslims in and they can do it and you're letting the gay throuples adopt. Bit like you can't tell this guy he can't do that.
- [84:48]
Jake Rattlesnake
Just hypothetically, what would, what would stop me from starting a church tomorrow? Gold like the Church of Rattlesnake?
- [84:54]
Andrew Wilson
Nothing.
- [84:54]
Rachel Wilson
Nothing.
- [84:55]
Seamus Coughlin
I mean, yeah, probably nothing. And I. What is it? What's the number? You may not be able before you're tax exempt. It's.
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Andrew Wilson
I think it's only two or three. It's not many. And the thing is, is like you may not, but you don't even need the 5013C. Right.
- [85:07]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah, yeah.
- [85:07]
Andrew Wilson
You can have, you can start the Church of Rattlesnakes. That's a for profit church.
- [85:13]
Seamus Coughlin
I mean this is a historical, this.
- [85:15]
Rachel Wilson
Is a historical pattern.
- [85:17]
Seamus Coughlin
Business model.
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Rachel Wilson
This is a historical pattern. If you look at pretty much all of the cults, like all of the heretical cults that have tried to spring out of Christianity, it's always some guy who wants to take all the wives. It's always some guy it always ends up with.
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Seamus Coughlin
By the way, you have to.
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Andrew Wilson
How many times has Jesus returned now to bang your wife? Well, this happened a lot according, I mean it's happened a ton of times according to a lot of these people who claim that they're the return of Christ.
- [85:44]
Rachel Wilson
All of them, they all, they all end up, you know, they'll, and they usually start with a different me message. They'll start with Something that appeals to, like, people who are easily sucked into cult mentality. And then by the time you get 20, 30 people, they're like, and you all have to share your wife with me now.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, every single. Well, this is not just post. This is not just something that's existed in the Christian world. This has been the case, literally, with every cult throughout history. Like even Muhammad, everyone who's claimed to speak for God has basically said, guess what God told me I get to do? Like, I'm special.
- [86:14]
Rachel Wilson
This is a. J. Dyer says that cult leaders. It always turn. It's always just boils down to. To being able to touch butts. It just always boils down to touching butts.
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Seamus Coughlin
Your wife is mine now, essentially. Well, we've got another story speaking of the demonic. Tucker Carlson draws scorn for new details over a demonic attack. And he said he's not embarrassed. Which, first of all, based. I think it's. It. Listen, you've got so many Christians in, so many people who say that Christianity is a good thing, even if they don't consider themselves Christians.
- [86:45]
Rachel Wilson
Christian.
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Seamus Coughlin
But then you actually start talking about Christian things and they go, oh, are you crazy? We believe in demons, actually. I mean, we. We believe that Satan convinced Adam and Eve to fall. Like. Like Christianity actually becomes incoherent as a faith. If you don't believe in the existence of demons, it doesn't work and it doesn't make sense. And so the idea that people would laugh. It's in the Bible. Exactly. Political commentator Tucker Carlson has prompted renewed scorn after providing more details about a supernatural attack he alleges allegedly happened. Excuse me, alleges happened to him in his bed In February of 2020, three months before Fox News fired him. During an extensive interview last Thursday with fellow former Fox News host Megyn Kelly, Carlson suggested the attack was in response to a positive supernatural experience he had the day before, during which he experienced love towards someone he hated. That's actually really interesting. Now, the thing is, regardless of whether you feel this happened or think this happened, I certainly don't doubt his sincerity. And when we did America Fest at tpusa, I had the privilege of doing a podcast with him and a couple of other people, people including Charlie Kirk, may he rest in peace. And Tucker mentioned this story on the podcast about how he was attacked by a demon. So listen, I don't know why we would say that we need to promote Christian thought and be a Christian country and then laugh at a guy when he says something demonic happened to him, because don't you Think a demon would attack someone in Tucker Carlson's position if they're starting to spread truth and if they're, like, loving their enemies and doing good Christian things?
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Rachel Wilson
Well, the same people making fun of this are the people who have crystals and tarot cards and all kinds of other nonsense and they're reading, reading their horoscope and trying to figure out, you know, how do I know if this guy likes me? Let me read my horoscope.
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Andrew Wilson
That's all occultism on the other end. Well, let me fire back at you on this a little bit.
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Seamus Coughlin
Sure, sure.
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Andrew Wilson
So the thing is, is like, as Christians, though, we should not be gullible.
- [88:30]
Seamus Coughlin
Agreed.
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Andrew Wilson
And as Christians, though, we should not reject the scientific method. And as Christians, we should not reject that science can help us come up with answers to the natural world and how it functions. And so the thing is, these categories, the spiritual categories, the categories that have no scientific explanation, like the demonic. I don't expect people who have a more secular nature, agnostic or atheist nature to believe those things about Christianity even as they benefit from the effects of Christianity. They don't have a problem with you believing those things. But if you're going to just immediately take Carlson at his word for it and maybe, maybe that's fair that you should. Okay. Or shouldn't.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, I don't doubt his sincerity.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, I get it. You don't doubt the sincerity. But it's still rational and within the confines of rational thinking that even Christians could and would. Sure that this actually happened now, absent documentation and things like this. And Catholics are the most skeptical of all.
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Seamus Coughlin
An exorcist would investigate this.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah. They have supernatural investigators to look for the miraculous. Miraculous just as much as they do the demonic. And so it's like, look, I don't know if it happened or not. Not for me to say. I have no clue. You have no clue right there. I don't think it's not rational for people to be skeptical of it, even if they're Christians. That's all I'm saying.
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Seamus Coughlin
I don't think. Listen, I don't think that there's anything wrong with being skeptical of it at all. We had Father Ripiger on this past Friday, and he's a fantastic priest. He's an exorcist. And one of the things he talked about was the fact that the vast majority of cases when someone thinks there's demonic activity, there isn't. It's either something else or some kind of mental health.
- [90:10]
Andrew Wilson
Almost always.
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Seamus Coughlin
Almost always. That said, I was. I mean, Tucker Carlson, and I don't know him very well. I've only met him once. But just on the podcast with him, he told the story.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, he definitely believes it.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, he definitely believes it. I, I have no reason to disbelieve it. But you're right that it's not reasonable. It's. It's reasonable to be skeptical, especially about a person making a large supernatural claim. Yeah, I don't doubt it. I believe it. But I'm not saying people have to believe it or they're bad Christians or something like. Like that, because again, even in these matters, you do have an investigation before an exorcist comes in. It just drives me crazy when people dismiss it out of hand and go, this guy's crazy and this is silly. And, well, see, demons is ridiculous.
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Andrew Wilson
Now, that's also rational and reasonable. See, like, do you have to go. It has to go on the other end, too. So to your point, it's also rational and reasonable to be like, hey, let's, you know, we'll investigate it a little bit.
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Seamus Coughlin
Exactly.
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Andrew Wilson
We'll have someone come in and take a look at it or something like this. That's also reasonable and rational on the Christian end to do so. If they're skeptical that there was a legitimate demonic attack on Tucker Carlson, I think that's rational. And I think it's rational on the other end to say there could be. And so it's worth investigating. But, you know, what's interesting is, like, you'd find a lot more alignment with secularists with that view, because wouldn't they say the same thing?
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, I'm kind of, I'm curious about this, too, because he's, he's mentioned this before, and he hasn't really said anything else like this. And he says, I'm, I'm not embarrassed, and I don't care if I'm mocked. This is part of why I find it so fascinating, because I think most people, even if they feel they've experienced something supernatural or have, or even just believe they have, they're not going to want to talk about it in public. That's also part of why I don't want to dismiss him, because I think there's something bold about it that I do appreciate.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, sure. It draws attention to it.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah. And if, if it happens, happen, like, if something like that happened to me, I don't know that I would be brave enough to go on a podcast and talk about it. I might be concerned. Well, people are going to mock me, and I'm going to make the faith look superstitious or something type of stuff.
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Andrew Wilson
When, When I read about Catholic exorcism or orthodox exorcist and things like that. Catholics have a much, much more well documented, more public kind of face when it comes to exorcism. They're like rock stars because of the movie the Exorcist. But it's obsession is the most common. Right. Demonic obsession and demonic possession is the least likely and it's extremely rare. But physical demonic attacks are even more rare yet unless possession's involved. And that would maybe throw a red flag to. Well, we can be a little bit skeptical here. This wasn't just the idea if I woke up with sleep paralysis and saw a demon demon or something like this, but rather he's saying there was a physical attack where claw marks raked him and there was blood left.
- [93:00]
Seamus Coughlin
That's. That's wild now that I forgot about that. Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
Now that does bring like another dimension. Now we're in the physical, the material, outside of the spiritual. So I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be skeptical. If Tucker Carlson ever watches, it's not, it's not an attack on him. I. It could very well be possible. I'm just pointing out it's rational to be skeptical.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah. I also think it's interesting because he says this culturally. I'm not from a world where people are attacked by demons, Carl, which most of us aren't. And he seems to come from a very WASPy background where they don't really talk that much about the demonic or other such types of things. So I just find the whole thing fascinating. I think you're right. What's described is extraordinary. So it is fair for people to have some skepticism. Obviously, as mentioned, I lean towards thinking there's really something here but light ultimately.
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Jake Rattlesnake
But if you do have.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, sure.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Experiences with it, like I've had experiences with what I would have called ghosts back in the day, but now I would call it more demonic. And you know, when it does happen to you, I feel as though it's just like you can't explain it really. Like when I've had. I've had an experience with it, not, not like in the physical or anything, but just having a haunted house that I was in that nothing made sense. Doors slamming open and closed, hose. When I was in there, the tap was turning on by itself. Just like things that were just totally unexplainable by any sort of physics. So I'm like, like, I don't know, like, I don't know how to. How to just sort of wave that away.
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Andrew Wilson
And I don't think you should.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
And that's not the point. Just only. My point is only that when somebody makes a claim like this, because there's so much in you and I, I think we would agree on this, too. There's a lot of grifting on the Christian side.
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Seamus Coughlin
Oh, dude. Yeah. For sure.
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Andrew Wilson
Okay. It's huge. And it's a huge problem on the of side and everything else. I'm not. Again, not claiming Carlson' that at all.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
I think that he's complete being sincere about his experience, but just if people and instantly are very skeptical of something like that because it's such a big claim, I just think that that's reasonable.
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Seamus Coughlin
I get it. I think that's fair. Well, listen, Tucker even said culturally, he's not from a world where that happens. So maybe if before this experience happened, someone else said the same thing, he'd also be skeptical of it. Who knows?
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Jake Rattlesnake
One of the most interesting books I've ever read was one that you gave me, Rach. It was orthodoxy in the religion of the future.
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Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
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Jake Rattlesnake
And it was so interesting how they were talking about Seraphim Rose, about UFOs, and how. And how all of these, like, alien shows have been sort of programming us for UFOs, but really they've always existed and they're sort of demonic forces.
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Seamus Coughlin
So this is really funny. This. This perfectly segues into a shameless plug because the pilot episode we did for our cartoon is about the ET Phenomena and the way it's used to try to promote nihilism, basically. So if you guys go to twistedplots.com we have a special promotion. Any amount you donate at any amount, you will get to watch the pilot. As a thank you. We've only got three days left. You got to help us get funded to defeat Hollywood's monopoly on entertainment. Now we are going to jump over to Super Chats. Oh, do we need a couple minutes or what's going on? Sorry. Yeah, we. We are gonna pop over here. We got some Super Chats and we also have some rumble rants that we are going to read.
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Jake Rattlesnake
If you mind if we give a real quick shame Seamless plug.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, it was so, by the way, you can. But also we will do plugs after we were done with Super Chats as well. But if you want to say it.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Now, I was gonna say debatecon this weekend where we're all debating there. I think if all three of us, if anybody's anywhere near Nashville, it's going to be awesome. We've got a big after party happening as well, and it's just going to be an absolute killer week.
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, it's going to be a killer week.
- [96:24]
Jake Rattlesnake
Modern day debate. I'm debating. Andrew's debating, Rachel's debating. It's going to be awesome.
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Seamus Coughlin
Who are you guys debating?
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Andrew Wilson
And I'm debating.
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Rachel Wilson
Debates. He's going to be debating Daniel Hikaju on Islam and Christianity. Right. And then Dr. Richard Carrier on secularism.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, it's. It's Islam versus Christianity, which is better for society. Same thing. Secular humanism versus Christianity, which is better for society. So both of those are big claims from each side. And this is a huge fight of our time, obviously. So tune in or if you can get tickets. Tickets, yeah. Strongly suggest that you show up. You're gonna be watching. You have debates going all day. You have access to many of the people you've always wanted to meet. Huge party that anybody who gets a ticket is welcome to come to. I. I took care of all the booze. I took care of all the food. I rented out cheap. I rented out the whole top area of a bar. Every ticket holder could go and have some drinks and have dinner and enjoy themselves. And the Crucible did this on our dime for them.
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Seamus Coughlin
You. Hold on. You did an open bar for everybody?
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Andrew Wilson
Everybody who bought a ticket to.
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Seamus Coughlin
Including people? That's a big selling point. Like, that's a lot.
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Andrew Wilson
Including people who are not fans of the Crucible. If you got a ticket to debate con and you're lefty, come eat and drink with us and you'll find out that we're way too bas and you'll have to become one of us. But the point is, is you got to come do it.
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Seamus Coughlin
Open bar. Maybe I'll find myself in Nashville. I don't know. That's crazy.
- [97:56]
Rachel Wilson
So don't miss me debating a male feminist. Live in person.
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Seamus Coughlin
What's the topic? Feminism.
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Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
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Seamus Coughlin
Okay. That's awesome. So we have from Shane H. Wilder. Thank you so much, Shane. He says, as the son of a vet, I just wanted to wish the veterans out there a happy Veterans Day. Thank you for your service and sacrifice. God bless you all. Yeah, absolutely. Happy Veterans Day to all the veterans out there. Oh, my gosh. We got more great, super chats. We kept getting these yesterday. I was super, super pumped about this label. 777 says my wife gave birth to our baby girl Yesterday at 11:15am I know I'm a day late, but never late than ever. All right, so Here. This is really funny. Yesterday we were getting all these super chats from people. My wife had a baby. My wife had a baby. My wife had a baby. I'm so excited. And then I'm reading the comments after the show and someone says, did nobody catch that? It's nine months after Valentine's Day. All right, I guess that makes sense. But I thought that was very cute. A lot, a lot of new babies out here.
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Rachel Wilson
We love that.
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Seamus Coughlin
Absolutely.
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Rachel Wilson
We're all a bunch of pronouns. Natalists here.
- [98:52]
Phil Abonti
Absolutely.
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Seamus Coughlin
Blue Psycho says Andrew loved your debate with that Charlie feminist on. Whatever. I really wish she wasn't a specific kind of feminist. I cannot read that last part. Why would you highlight that? I can't read that on air. I can't read that on air. No, no, you don't want to read it either.
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Andrew Wilson
Super chatter. Thank you for the super chat and for the support. Thank you for the support. I really appreciate it.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah. So here, here, here's what else we have. Didn't the, oh, so this is from Devin Grims. Didn't the elite introduce racial grievance during the Occupy Wall street protest? I don't think that's when it was introduced, but we got a lot of it there. I think it started to become, I think that stuff really started to become more mainstream with the Trayvon Martin case. To me, that, that was really the watershed moment.
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Phil Abonti
It did. But the, the, the seeds were planted by Herbert Marcuse. Herbert Marcuse had a book called, what was it? 1D, one dimensional man. And in it he said that, that the problem. This is in the 50s, he said, and this is after people realize that capitalism actually delivers for people, especially for the working classes. He said, look, capitalism delivers the goods. And he said, you, you're not going to find the revolutionary energy in the working class because capitalism provides for people. So to find the revolutionary energy, you're going to have to go to the, the ghettos. And essentially he was, he was, he was laying the case for what we call today race communism. So it's, it's, it's not the oppression of, of the, the classes, it's the oppression based on race nowadays.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, and do you remember when OWS was like a right wing libertarian thing and the lefties hijacked it?
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Seamus Coughlin
What's ows?
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Andrew Wilson
The Occupy Wall Street? Oh, that was, that actually started as a, as a right wing libertarian thing that Alex Jones was all over and stuff. And then the leftist hijacked it, went.
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Phil Abonti
Down to Occupy Wall Street. It's got, there's this famous video of him talking on the street. He's like, look, come talk to me. I'm the 1%. And we'll. I'll explain to you why things are the way that they are. And. And he made great arguments, and I assume that he. He did some, you know, convincing of people. But like you said, Andrew, it was totally hijacked by the left.
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Andrew Wilson
Totally hijacked. They hijacked it from the top down.
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Rachel Wilson
You and I were just dating and watching that kind of unfold together, I think, back then, weren't we?
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah. Watching Tim Pool get smacked with beanbags.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's actually why he's sick today. Hit with another bean bag.
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Andrew Wilson
Beanbag.
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Seamus Coughlin
Right to the beanie, bro. It was awful. We have from Keel. They said, Andrew, congrats on the launch of World War. Can't wait to see its success.
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Andrew Wilson
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. I haven't been able to hit it with the.
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Seamus Coughlin
Oh, I'm sorry. Word. War. What's wrong with me?
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Andrew Wilson
Word.
- [101:31]
Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, apparently words are waging war on me because I can't say them. Word.
- [101:34]
Andrew Wilson
Wait. I haven't had time to get behind the kind of promo you'll see shortly, but. Because I was traveling to today. But it's a huge project. We've been working on it for a long time with a great team, including Sam Tripley. You guys have had him here, I believe.
- [101:49]
Phil Abonti
Yep.
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Andrew Wilson
Good guy. Real smart guy. Real funny guy.
- [101:53]
Seamus Coughlin
Hilarious.
- [101:53]
Andrew Wilson
And we have. We have a good. We have a good team together. And when they approached me, I couldn't wait to be part of the project. So thank you.
- [101:59]
Seamus Coughlin
Awesome. And this the same person also said, seamus would love if you could stop into chronic golf on Hilton Head sometime. We sell yours and every bag of Casper. Wonderful. Awesome. Well, thank you for that.
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Rachel Wilson
Doing.
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Seamus Coughlin
Doing that. Gonna jump over to Rumble for some rumble rants.
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Rachel Wilson
They're all gonna be bad. They're all gonna be tos.
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Jake Rattlesnake
Rum.
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Phil Abonti
Todd's are gonna.
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Andrew Wilson
He's, like, just torturing him on purposes I disavow.
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Seamus Coughlin
I disagree with that one. That. That one's just. I'm not saying that out loud. So Token MAGA said, and I've seen prominent right wingers defending Islam on X lately. I. I feel like there's been a little bit of that.
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Phil Abonti
There's too many people. There's too many people that. And that. That have such a problem with Israel and Jewish people that they think that it's a good idea to align with Islam.
- [102:49]
Rachel Wilson
Right.
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Phil Abonti
Because Islam has a problem with Jews.
- [102:51]
Rachel Wilson
Andrew and I argue this all the time. On X. Because they'll be like, you got to pick a team. And we're like, how about neither one?
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Andrew Wilson
Yeah, yeah, no, neither team. And well, the thing is too, is like, I do understand the law, logic. The logic is, oh, you're willing to attack Islam because it's safe, but you're not willing to attack Judaism because that's not safe politically. Right. So I understand that logic and that logic does make sense. But that's why my logic is both. Right. Like, I'm not interested in either the idea of Zionism or the idea of Islamic values. I don't want either of them. Of them coexisting with Christian values. That the idea is that we're beholden to either value structure, I think is absurd. Christian ethics should be the order of the day.
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Phil Abonti
One of the arguments that I hear that drives me nuts is, is when they say, well, you know, in Islam, they think that Jesus, they, they, they love Jesus and bloodline. It's like, look, man, that is, that is a if you ever want to see BS line.
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Andrew Wilson
If you ever want to see. This is why I've never accepted the Christ is king, right? When they say, hey, Christ is. Is king. No, Christ is God. And the reason I make the differential of Christ is God. So that Muslims can't participate. You can't participate in our celebration because they would get behind and say, you're right, Christ is king. And I'd be like, well, is he God, though?
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Jake Rattlesnake
No.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, then you can't participate in my celebration. I'm sorry, you're not allowed over here.
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Phil Abonti
Look, I'm an agnostic, so to even kind of touch on this is probably a little offensive to some people, but you'll get over it. If you're going to go by Christian theology, Christ being God is the foundation of Christianity. So you can't say Christ is king and be like, look at me, I'm a good Christian. No, Christ is God.
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Andrew Wilson
The foundation came to earth.
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Phil Abonti
Christ is God incarnate, correct as man on earth. And so the idea that, well, Christ is king, that's not enough.
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Seamus Coughlin
We can believe both. You're right, it's not enough. I think that's what you're saying is you believe both, but more importantly, he's got God.
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Andrew Wilson
Well, I'm also, and I'm also purposely being exclusionary to people who are. What they're doing is. They're doing infiltration.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yes.
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Andrew Wilson
In order to be perverse. And I'm literally excluding them on purpose by demonstrating and showcasing. No, our value structure is not the same read John 1:1 because even be.
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Phil Abonti
Even in Islam they don't say that Muhammad is God. Muhammad is the prophet, the last prophet and is he's, you know, he's held in his team above them.
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Andrew Wilson
Christians believe that Christ was the last prophet.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah.
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Phil Abonti
But they also believe that was God. So. And like I said, me even trying to like articulate this around you guys, I feel a little bit like I'm like, you know, stepping out of my.
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Andrew Wilson
No, that's fine. Theology is vastly complicated, dude.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's how I feel. I'm like, I got to be careful here. But speaking of theology and, and Christian values, Speaking of theology and Christian values, we got a challenger. KL Tanker 420 says, I've always wondered why Christians think they own marriage if gay people can't marry. Because marriage is a religious ceremony with God. Using that logic, should all non Christians not be allowed to marry? The problem is you don't understand the Christ perspective on marriage. With all due respect, and by the way, thank you for your chat and for being a fan, but this is the straw man argument that's used by the left. The, the right wants to turn marriage into a religious institution. What we believe as Catholics, and I assume the orthodox believe something similar. But what we believe is that marriage pre existed the church. So the church has no power to define it or redefine it. So when we say marriage is between a man and a woman, we are respecting an institution that existed before the church. That church does not have the power to change.
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Andrew Wilson
And also, you just don't even need to recognize secular marriage. Honestly, it's not particularly important. Like the idea here is just this, why do you need the state involved in your secular marriage? Why is that necessary? They say, well, for tax benefits and things like this. It's like, well, that's kind of stupid. Then just go ahead and change the tax code a little bit. It's only some minor tweaking there. What is actually the point of you as a secularist getting a state marriage license? Why can't you just. Just make the declaration I'm married and then you are. Why can't you just do that as a clandestine marriage?
- [106:58]
Seamus Coughlin
Just needs to have.
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Andrew Wilson
I don't even understand why you can't. Right, you could. So the thing is for us it's sacramental. And since it's sacramental, we don't get to just walk away. Right. That's not how it works.
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Seamus Coughlin
That's right.
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Andrew Wilson
But secularists can. They can declare and then undeclare. And so if that's the case, what is the purpose of bringing the state in at all? Unless it's for the purpose of reproduction, abduction, and for normalizing families. And then if that's the case, can homosexuals do either of those things?
- [107:27]
Rachel Wilson
No.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, also, there's one more important thing, which is we need to recognize secular marriages so that when the Christian right becomes ascendant, we can punish them when they commit adultery. Because if you're not married, we can't. We can't punish you for committing adultery. There you go. RN Ricky Bobby says, Seamus, you had seven birth announcements in super chats yesterday. You skipped mine. I'm sorry about that. I mean, I know I haven't tithed any spoons lately, but come on, man. Replacement rate achieved. Gotta count for something. Absolutely. Dude, I didn't know about that. Know why you're coming at me about spoons? Because you know me. You know I would never do that. But congratulations on the baby. We're very happy for you.
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Phil Abonti
Absolutely.
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Seamus Coughlin
Good for them. God bless them. This is funny. I mean, this is so. There's two right here I want to read. Chris S. Said we were told to social distancing to social distance. But rioting was okay. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I remember that's the minute I. That's.
- [108:13]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, that's when it blew it out.
- [108:14]
Seamus Coughlin
The second I knew. Because I remember at first I was cautious and I remember thinking, maybe this is something. Maybe this is real. And then all those doctors signed out of that notice saying, well, the police going around killing unarmed black men is enough of a public health crisis that it warrants us disregarding Covid. I went this.
- [108:30]
Rachel Wilson
All right.
- [108:30]
Seamus Coughlin
It was all nonsense.
- [108:31]
Rachel Wilson
Not only that, they literally said that BLM riots don't spread it.
- [108:36]
Seamus Coughlin
That's right, they did.
- [108:37]
Rachel Wilson
But that right wing protests against lockdowns do. And I was like, well, we're Safe.
- [108:40]
Seamus Coughlin
And that January 1st did.
- [108:42]
Andrew Wilson
We were on the fence at first as well, like most of the American public, because we had very little information. It did line up with the historic standard. It's 100 years. Time for a plague.
- [108:51]
Phil Abonti
Yeah, right.
- [108:52]
Andrew Wilson
We get them about every 100 years.
- [108:54]
Seamus Coughlin
I thought the same thing.
- [108:55]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, it made sense. And so if we're going to take a wait and see approach, it is possible that, you know, two weeks of social distancing might be necessary because maybe this thing is really deadly.
- [109:07]
Phil Abonti
You know, maybe.
- [109:07]
Andrew Wilson
Maybe it's going to take out 5, 10% of the population of Earth. Like this could be a real problem that we just don't understand yet. And then the second that happened, remember? I remember my wife. Yeah, because we were already, at that point, we were like already very skeptical. The second that happened, I remember she looked at me and she. She was like, no more mass assault bullshit. And I went, right.
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Seamus Coughlin
It's so funny because my insane trad Catholic friends, basically all of them from the get go, were like, it's not real. I was like, no, guys, we gotta like, be a little more cautious than that. This could be bad. And then of course, when that happened with the letter all the doctor signed, I went, okay, it's not nonsense. But then, yeah. On top of that, not only did I realize that was all nonsense, I went, oh, like, I don't think I will ever trust them ever again about anything. Like, next. Which is actually really dangerous because now if there is a very serious plague, people are going to put it in the same category.
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Andrew Wilson
No, but maybe. Maybe it's the case that. Good. Like, even if it was, let's say, a very serious plague, that was 5 or 10%. Right. Or in mortality or something like that, you know, maybe the lockdowns, after seeing the ramifications of all the mental health. Mental health that happened because of those. The massive distrust, things like that. And it didn't seem like the lockdowns themselves did much to really curtail Covid spreading anyway. So maybe it would be good that people just distrusted them and just went about their daily life anyway till it ran its course. Maybe that really is the best thing.
- [110:30]
Jake Rattlesnake
I'm just gonna start licking handrails. Get that?
- [110:31]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, just go lick the toilet seat.
- [110:35]
Seamus Coughlin
German maxing, as the kids say. Will Matrix said, the purpose of liberty is to pursue virtue, but the left has perverted it to pursue vice. Vice is enslaving. It won't liberate, but virtue will. Amen. I could have said it better myself. Yeah, right. We've turned freedom into a political buzzword. We think of it as a concept related to government. I mean, it is to some degree, but it more refers to an internal state. Are you actually free? Right. And do you have. Not only are you free, like, do you have the capacity for freedom? Of course all people have the capacity for freedom. No, not all people have capacity. Like, if you are entrenched in vice, you just don't have the capacity for freedom.
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Phil Abonti
Yeah, the.
- [111:08]
Seamus Coughlin
You got to build it up.
- [111:09]
Phil Abonti
Jockey. Paco, the guy that does that podcast, he makes the argument, and I think that it's a very compelling argument. Discipline is the path to freedom.
- [111:18]
Rachel Wilson
Yes.
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Phil Abonti
If you are beholden to vices, if you are. If you are constantly being jerked.
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Phil Abonti
And this is something that, that the Stoics used to talk about too. If you're constantly being jerked in one way or another by your emotions, by your emotional reaction, you're not free.
- [112:04]
Seamus Coughlin
You're.
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Andrew Wilson
You're a slave to your business or by your addictions.
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Phil Abonti
Yeah, exactly. 100%.
- [112:08]
Andrew Wilson
And, and you know, like people forget, with addiction, we're not just talking about drugs. Guitar can become an addiction. Video games can become an addiction. Social media, anything can become an addiction. Which takes you away from the pathway of what you're talking about. Discipline.
- [112:22]
Rachel Wilson
Totally.
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Andrew Wilson
Totally. And the idea of. Well, and he's making the idea of Catholic virtues like Aristotelian Catholic virtual virtues. But we have a similar device methodology in orthodoxy as well. But both cases do rely on discipline. Exactly.
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Rachel Wilson
That's why we have feasting and fasting.
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Seamus Coughlin
Amen. Yeah.
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Andrew Wilson
Is to teach you how to regulate that. That's what feasting and fasting is for. Right. It's to say, hey, you're going to give up something for these three months so that you can remember that you don't need it and.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, exactly. And also, if you're capable of denying yourself a legitimate good, then it becomes easier to deny illegitimate things that you actually shouldn't be doing. You build that moral care character. Tiffany says Seamus believes in purity testing the right. Can you believe that? A nice guy like me, excluding conservative moral atheists, Buddhists and others, when 75 million voted for Kamala, you can't exclude 20% of the right. You go back to losing bad. Well, here's the thing. I literally and I've said this. It just seems as if no matter how many times I articulate this as clearly as possible, I'm still misunderstood here. But I will say it one more time. I do not believe the right should change its policies to accommodate any of the people fleeing from the left. That does not mean. I'm saying that we should push those people out. If they want to run from the left to come to the right, they cannot turn us into a slightly less bad version of the left.
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Andrew Wilson
Isn't. Isn't that paradoxical? Anyway, isn't he excluding you?
- [113:40]
Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I can't have my pro life values. Exactly.
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Andrew Wilson
So isn't, isn't the, isn't the par. Great paradox here that he's gatekeeping?
- [113:48]
Seamus Coughlin
This is the great replacement conservatism. Like, let me tell you what being conservative means. You need to leave.
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Andrew Wilson
You're the new conservative in the, in the parent. The great paradox here is simple. It's like, hey, you're gatekeeping. That's not what the right is. It's like, hey, what, What? That makes no sense.
- [114:06]
Seamus Coughlin
All right, the Yeti90 says, Andrew, I'm Muslim, once Christian, born and raised in America.
- [114:13]
Andrew Wilson
Okay, hang on, hang on. Stop there.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, yeah, we can reach this person. That's funny. Response. No, I, I, I'm curious to see the rest because I want to see. I've told men of all fates for years to marry without the state and use a priority prenup. Why is CGA against it? Because if kids are cohabitating. Do you not even want to answer that? Because he mentioned he, he left the faith or. I'm, I'm curious if you.
- [114:42]
Andrew Wilson
I think he's referencing a previous debate, but I don't actually understand the end of the question, because under my view, you would still have more protections with kids than under his view, and he has no protections for him. So that's just that the, the guy's entire position was incoherent. It made no sense at all because he didn't have a position. That's why. So anyway, it has to be a.
- [115:03]
Rachel Wilson
Ginger too, by the way, because I feel like the only people that convert from Christianity and become Muslim are always ginger.
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Jake Rattlesnake
I saw a stat that there was like upwards of 50 of English guys who have converted to Islam are ginger.
- [115:14]
Rachel Wilson
So, I mean, that's crazy.
- [115:16]
Jake Rattlesnake
I know every time I see this.
- [115:17]
Andrew Wilson
They have no soul.
- [115:20]
Seamus Coughlin
Have you ever seen four lions?
- [115:22]
Jake Rattlesnake
No.
- [115:23]
Seamus Coughlin
Oh, there's this scene. There's this, there's this, like, red. It's about a group of Muslims in a terror cell, basically. And it's like this, this British comedy. Comedy. But one of them is a white ginger guy, basically. And that does seem to be a stereotype. I don't know.
- [115:37]
Jake Rattlesnake
Every time I see videos of these white English guys who are just there saying, yeah, my name is Muhammad, it's.
- [115:43]
Seamus Coughlin
Like, did you, are you sure? Did you pick that one? Did your parents pick that for you?
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Andrew Wilson
Why do they adopt the accent too? That's weird.
- [115:50]
Seamus Coughlin
It's crazy. It's like, no, no, it's true. It's like they're ordering.
- [115:53]
Andrew Wilson
They can't still be. They can't still be. They can't still be Kyle. They can't run in and be like.
- [115:59]
Seamus Coughlin
Yo, bro, let me tell you about Muhammad Brother.
- [116:01]
Andrew Wilson
Like, they can't do that.
- [116:03]
Seamus Coughlin
It can't be like the. The youth pastor version of, don't you.
- [116:07]
Phil Abonti
Have to learn Arabic to be. To be Muslim?
- [116:09]
Andrew Wilson
That doesn't give you an accent when you're speaking in English, that you learn Arabic. And most people that, like, read the Quran don't speak Arabic anyways.
- [116:17]
Seamus Coughlin
It was one of those things that drove me crazy. When I remember when I was in college, like, when.
- [116:21]
Andrew Wilson
When Barack says Pakistan always pissed me off. I know it always pissed me off. He never said. I was like, dude, just say Pakistan.
- [116:29]
Seamus Coughlin
That's the thing.
- [116:29]
Andrew Wilson
He'd go, Pakistan.
- [116:31]
Seamus Coughlin
When I was. When I was in college, I mentioned Muslims, and this girl I knew who was not Muslim, she said, it's Muslim, It's Muslim. She's like, trying to get me to say it. And I was like, this is ridiculous because I say things in my American accent and not in someone else's accent. When you talk about Ireland, you don't have to say Ireland. No one expects you. Yeah, you don't. You don't have to mention. There was. There was.
- [116:54]
Rachel Wilson
This is the Irish supremacy side of the table.
- [116:57]
Seamus Coughlin
There's a reporter who made a quip about that recently, too. He's like, people don't say, my name is like, oh, Johnny. Or whatever it was. I don't know why people feel. It's just a way to demonstrate how.
- [117:05]
Jake Rattlesnake
I get discriminated against all the time. Like this. Australians, we. We say no, that's because the country's fake. Instead of.
- [117:11]
Andrew Wilson
Instead of no fake country.
- [117:12]
Jake Rattlesnake
And I get. I get told that my country's fake. I get told that we're a prison. We are a prison.
- [117:18]
Andrew Wilson
Come on. It's not real. Like, don't be beliefs in kangaroos and koalas. Dude, give me a break.
- [117:23]
Seamus Coughlin
Well, hold on. Doesn't mean it's not true. There's some, like, spiritual truth to Australia.
- [117:30]
Jake Rattlesnake
You don't have to worry about them. The ones you do have to worry about is the drop bears. That's the only thing. Snakes are pretty dangerous, but drop bears are the ones in Australia that are the most dangerous animals. But otherwise, you're pretty sweet.
- [117:40]
Seamus Coughlin
So do you have trouble getting. Do you ever go back to Australia? Are you. Are you.
- [117:43]
Rachel Wilson
He lives there.
- [117:44]
Seamus Coughlin
Okay, so how often do you come to the States.
- [117:46]
Jake Rattlesnake
I'm here for a two week tour at the moment with not good.
- [117:49]
Seamus Coughlin
Okay.
- [117:53]
Jake Rattlesnake
But yeah, I come back every few months. Yeah, yeah, I'll be coming back for the next Word war event.
- [117:57]
Andrew Wilson
Hey, like, he, like, hangs out with me and stuff and I don't know why.
- [118:01]
Seamus Coughlin
He's just Australian.
- [118:02]
Andrew Wilson
Well, I mean, I mean, do we just. Just loathe each other? But for some reason it's like, it just works. It's like, oh, this is great.
- [118:08]
Jake Rattlesnake
Yeah. Just wake up in the morning, just want to punch him straight away.
- [118:12]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah. Hanging out with them is basically just like one of them on this side. One of the. You're gay. No, you're gay.
- [118:19]
Seamus Coughlin
That's crazy. So you came to the United States as an immigrant and a xenophobe. Was homophobic. Public against you.
- [118:24]
Jake Rattlesnake
Exactly right.
- [118:26]
Seamus Coughlin
The persecution you're subject to.
- [118:27]
Andrew Wilson
I think he hates me so much, Eric.
- [118:30]
Jake Rattlesnake
And hillbillies and not escaping the chat.
- [118:33]
Seamus Coughlin
Do you. Do you find difficulty being in the United States as a foreigner?
- [118:37]
Rachel Wilson
Do you.
- [118:37]
Seamus Coughlin
Do you think, like in Trump's America, it's inhospitable to you?
- [118:41]
Jake Rattlesnake
I don't know if we should save this for the rumble stream.
- [118:45]
Seamus Coughlin
All righty. All right. If you have to ask, the answer is yes. Dalamar says to Rachel, on what page of having it all is the quote saying, those demon yuppies can't have a family. Also need this for irl. Trolling of family at Thanksgiving, handing out highlighted copies to prove they were lied to. Wow.
- [119:05]
Rachel Wilson
Of my handing out highlighted.
- [119:06]
Seamus Coughlin
Is that a book you wrote? I inferred that you wrote a book called having it all from this.
- [119:09]
Rachel Wilson
No, I think that's a. So that would be like the opposite of my book. That's like a feminist book where you can have a career and be like a working mom and do it all and have it at all. And you really can't. First of all, you can't do that unless you're like, rich and you can hire somebody else to do all the things you can't do when you're a stay at work mom, by the way.
- [119:28]
Seamus Coughlin
Stay at work mom, stay at home moms.
- [119:30]
Rachel Wilson
Don't stop calling yourself stay at home moms. We're just moms. The other women are stay at work moms. I like it, but I hope that he is highlighting my book and passing it out at Thanksgiving.
- [119:42]
Jake Rattlesnake
But occult feminism, one of the great books good for. For feminist debate research.
- [119:46]
Andrew Wilson
Ali Best Ducky Debate, debate. When.
- [119:48]
Rachel Wilson
Oh, I wish. She has me blocked on everything.
- [119:51]
Jake Rattlesnake
Can we. Can we call it out? Now though, Rich Ali Best Stucky.
- [119:54]
Rachel Wilson
I would love to do. Yes.
- [119:56]
Jake Rattlesnake
I would love to get it going.
- [119:57]
Andrew Wilson
Maybe on world war debate.
- [119:58]
Jake Rattlesnake
On word war debate. Ellie Stuckey v. Rachel Wilson. Clip it up. Yes, let's get it.
- [120:03]
Andrew Wilson
We need to see it.
- [120:04]
Seamus Coughlin
So we have debate.
- [120:05]
Andrew Wilson
We all want to see.
- [120:05]
Seamus Coughlin
We have Lewis.
- [120:08]
Andrew Wilson
I got you.
- [120:08]
Seamus Coughlin
Sorry. We have Louis. FML1 says what is keeping MAGA from protesting across America? Like the left. Like the left.
- [120:15]
Andrew Wilson
Probably we have jobs.
- [120:17]
Seamus Coughlin
Probably the law. Yeah. But also like probably like their tactics. The law. That's what's stopping us. But from protesting across America again. Yeah. Also the jobs thing. People, people having to have like.
- [120:28]
Andrew Wilson
Well, these people have families. They have families and they have to you your bills come regardless of what the political situation is. And so like you can't get away from the fact that when, when people are off work at 5 o' clock the protest is over.
- [120:42]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah. The only time we've had a big right wing protest was when they told us all we couldn't open our businesses and go to work.
- [120:48]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah.
- [120:49]
Rachel Wilson
So then we all protested.
- [120:51]
Seamus Coughlin
We have from Jake who said it was. Come on re gaming who adopted a baby in Canada. Is that true? Did this happen?
- [120:56]
Andrew Wilson
Yeah, recently.
- [120:58]
Seamus Coughlin
Disgusting. It like just. The Christian right is undefeated in its predictions.
- [121:02]
Jake Rattlesnake
The hypotheticals that you pose are becoming.
- [121:04]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah. Andrew used to use that as a, as a debate hypothetical. So it's okay for three gay guys to adopt a baby. He used to use that as like.
- [121:11]
Andrew Wilson
I'm looking at you, Brad. Pull Palumbo. Looking at you, Brad Palumbo, when you said what are we even talking about? That's not ever going to happen. Looking at you, Brad.
- [121:21]
Seamus Coughlin
And this is a pretty consistent issue where if you're on the right and you make any kind of joke or you try to make some kind of exaggeration to point out how ridiculous the left wing position is or a liberal position as it comes true. This is something that's happened with my cartoons multiple times. There was a tune we did nine years ago making fun of Occupy Wall street after became a lefty movement. And the entire bit was, was that you had. We had like these little cartoon millionaires protesting cartoon billionaires for being richer than them. And it was, the joke was. It was a commentary on like white upper middle class Westerners protesting the people who happen who are like immensely wealthy in a global scale protesting those richer. Now we literally do have millionaires who protest billionaires. That's an actual thing. That's an actual thing. And that happens all the time.
- [122:01]
Andrew Wilson
They have too Much.
- [122:02]
Seamus Coughlin
They have too much. Yeah, exactly. They've had too much.
- [122:07]
Phil Abonti
So frustrating.
- [122:11]
Jake Rattlesnake
Last.
- [122:12]
Seamus Coughlin
So thinker for Life says NPCs are actually reprobate mind. Cure it with scripture, let it serve as proof. Can't see in my mind before scripture, but can after. Interesting. So I think this person is saying they kind of understand the path that these people are on. They read the Bible more. But also part of the reason that happened is because God called you to, to read it before you ever picked it up. So a huge important part of this is for people to pray for, for the NPCs in your lives.
- [122:34]
Andrew Wilson
I don't believe that, that it's. I don't believe that you can just read Scripture at least most of the time and bring anybody to your side. I think that in order to replace a worldview, you have to destroy the worldview.
- [122:47]
Rachel Wilson
Yeah.
- [122:47]
Andrew Wilson
So I'm sure that there's been instances where somebody has read to some scripture to an NPC and converted them, but I think that it's actually much better to destroy the current worldview they have. Break that down, show them how it's wrong in order to then demonstrate how yours is right. And I've always thought that that was kind of missing often in apologetics where the be nice aspect takes over the logical aspect.
- [123:14]
Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth in that. Also, part of the reason it's taught the way that it is is because it's just impossible to teach everyone in an apologetics course all the different worldviews they'll have to dismantle. But at the very least they should be talking about atheistic liberalism because it's almost always some form.
- [123:29]
Andrew Wilson
Who are you preaching to if you're not running into all of them?
- [123:31]
Seamus Coughlin
Yeah. Amen. Amen. All right, well, this has been an awesome show. We're going to wrap out before we go to the members only section over on rumble.com but first we're going to let everybody plug everything that they're doing and let us know and let you guys know where they can be found.
- [123:47]
Rachel Wilson
All right, well, please come to Nashville this weekend if you can make it and watch me debate a male feminist. It's going to be so much fun. What could be more fun than getting wrecked by a home? A stay at home mom. Right. If you're a male feminist, it's going to be awesome.
- [123:59]
Seamus Coughlin
Just a mom.
- [123:59]
Rachel Wilson
I'm just a mom. That's right. Andrew, Jim, Bob, Jake are all going to be there. It's going to be total crucible, domination so come out to Nashville, get a ticket and come watch the debates. Go to Amazon to find my book, Occult Feminism, the Secret History of Women's Liberation. And for more awesome fun, weird historical writing that you're going to find very entertaining, go to rwilson substack.com and you.
- [124:26]
Andrew Wilson
Can find me at paleocriscon on X. I'll shamelessly plug the Crucible, of course. Shout out to the Crucible crew. I'm sure a ton of you are in the chat right now. Happy to see all of you over here. And let me just point out Word war debate coming January 10th. Huge venues and we're going to be running them every couple of months, all year. It's going to be the gold standard for debates. At least that's what we're shooting for. So the you, you can actually, you can go buy, you can pre buy tickets right now. Also come to debatecon. Make sure that you're doing that. And lastly, you have to send me all of your money. Not some of I know, I need, I really need all of it. Every bit of it. The best way to do that is to go watch me on the Crucible or on the Extravaganza with my pristinely untalented co host, Jake Rattlesnake. And there's a super chat function there. You can send me all of your cash and we are awaiting it.
- [125:21]
Seamus Coughlin
What do you have to say to that?
- [125:22]
Jake Rattlesnake
Well, I would like to say Jake Rattlesnake tv live streaming a few times a week and you can catch me on the Extravaganza with my Short King co host. It's always good fun, you know, at least four times a week. Get TED Nashville Debate Con Word War debate. Thank you.
- [125:42]
Phil Abonti
I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check us out, you can check out our website, all that remains online. You can check out the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Deezer and YouTube. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
- [125:57]
Seamus Coughlin
My name's Seamus Coughlin. I've done over 600 animated cartoons, amassed over a million subscribers and over 290 million views. A civilization cannot continue to exist if all of the people telling stories in that civilization want for it to be destroyed. And that's the situation that we're in right now. Which is why myself and my team are fighting the culture war by many making culture. We are already nearing 75% of funding. Might be over that at this point. I haven't checked throughout the show. We've got three days left to get fully funded. I need you guys to go over to Twisted Plots dot com. If you support at any level you'll be able to watch our entire 25 minute long pilot episode which is totally complete. But time is running out. We need to win the culture war. We are trying to reshape the culture by saving media and breaking up Hollywood's monopoly. And we will see you all over on Rumble. Thank you for seeing stopping by.