DOJ Releases Charlie Kirk Assassin Messages, Trans Left Aligned Confirmed

Summary

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Timcast IRL – DOJ Releases Charlie Kirk Assassin Messages, Trans Left Aligned Confirmed

Date: September 17, 2025
Host: Tim Pool and Panel (including Elad Eliahu, Phil Labonte, and others)

Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL dives deep into the fallout from the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, focusing on newly-released DOJ evidence—specifically the text messages between alleged shooter Tyler Robinson and his trans lover/roommate, Lance Twigs. The panel analyzes whether these messages are authentic or staged, debates the implications of perception and narrative control, and discusses broader issues of political violence, government overreach, free speech, and possible civil conflict in the U.S.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Release and Content of Assassin’s Text Messages

• Summary of Content: The DOJ released a series of texts between suspect Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs post-assassination. Robinson confesses, instructs Twigs to destroy evidence, and expresses regret.
  • Quote:
    "I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." – Robinson's note (09:15)
  • Text Excerpt:
    "I am, I am. I'm sorry. I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out." – Robinson to Twigs (09:28)
• Questions of Authenticity:
  • Skepticism arises over the formality of the messages, grammatical accuracy, and lack of typical texting shorthand.
  • Quote:
    "No Millennial. I mean, Phil, you're Gen X. Do you type like that?" – Tim (23:42)
  • Matt Walsh is cited suggesting the exchange may be scripted to absolve the boyfriend ("It's almost exactly what Walter White did at the end of Breaking Bad." – 16:23).
• Discussion of Potential Staging:
  • The group considers the possibility the messages were crafted to exonerate Twigs and cover for online co-conspirators given DOJ is investigating trans online groups for foreknowledge.

2. Scope of the Investigation & Network Implications

• Foreknowledge in Trans/Left-Aligned Online Groups:
  • Evidence suggests multiple individuals in Discord/social media had prior knowledge ("Seven different social media channels had posted foreknowledge of the event." – 24:55).
  • The room doubts Twigs’ ignorance: "How the roommate would not have known is absurd to me." – Tim (16:26).
• Old Man Accomplice:
  • George Zinn, 71, falsely claimed responsibility to distract police and now faces child abuse charges, suggesting substantial coordination ("This was not a lone actor. I don't believe it for a second." – Tim, 30:07).
• Destruction of Evidence:
  • The act of instructing Twigs to delete texts/notes is a felony and raises the question of accomplice liability (77:58).

3. Media Narratives and Political Gaslighting

• Misleading Public Perception:
  • Polls reveal 41% of Democrats incorrectly think a Republican was responsible ("Democrats are wrong. Republicans are right." – Tim, 72:12).
  • The panel accuses media and influencers (e.g. Jimmy Kimmel, Politics Girl, Mehdi Hasan) of intentional misinformation and narrative control to shield leftist ideology from blame (75:55; 112:25).
  • The group argues that establishment media frames political violence almost exclusively as coming from the right, even when evidence suggests otherwise.

4. Debate Over Free Speech vs. Terroristic Threats

• Legal Lines and Government Response:
  • The hosts probe the problem of fragmented, veiled death threats online, which collectively become a clear call to violence, but evade prosecution (61:51-65:18).
  • Quote:
    "Together those statements is go kill that guy. Which would violate the law. However, because they split it up between two people, we have to tolerate that they're calling for our deaths..." – Tim (48:50)
• Pam Bondi's Comments & Hate Speech:
  • Bondi’s call for prosecution of hate speech is broadly condemned by the panel as unconstitutional and poorly conceived (60:15-60:43, 60:53-61:51).
  • The group emphasizes "hate speech is real … but protected" under the First Amendment (55:00).
• Threats & Limits of the Law:
  • While direct, imminent threats are illegal, most social media threats are diffuse and not actionable. This legal gap allows for ongoing terrorization of political figures and chill of political speech.

5. Implications for Political Violence and Societal Stability

• Escalation Risks:
  • Tim discusses fears of a "cold civil war" escalating, particularly if another high-profile conservative is assassinated soon ("Overnight it would be unrecognizable... This is when Donald Trump invokes the Insurrection Act with impunity." – 98:46-100:00).
  • The emotional public reaction to Kirk's murder is acknowledged as a destabilizing event ("the most impactful issue was the gruesome way in which he died visibly to the public" – 102:33).
• Self-Defense, Second Amendment, and Institutional Limits:
  • Skepticism about government's ability to prevent such attacks leads to emphasis on self-defense and gun rights.
  • There is a rejection of "martyrdom tactics" and a call to protect speech/events but adapt tactics to new security realities (95:34).
• Demands for Crackdown:
  • Calls for investigation/prosecution of anyone materially supporting acts of political terror (38:24-41:51, 91:06-93:12).
  • The panel distinguishes between protecting free expression and targeting organized terror—emphasizing targeted federal action against groups like Antifa.

6. Polarization, Cognitive Dissonance, and the Future

• Entrenched Parallel Realities:
  • The episode concludes that America now has "two realities" regarding violence, facts, and blame, with no near-term pathway to unified understanding ("How do we live in a society with terroristic threats, violence, assassinations from people who believe 2 plus 2 equals 5..." – 80:31).
• Predictions About What Comes Next:
  • Tim speculates that if polarization continues and the legal system keeps being gamed, escalation is likely.
  • The hosts reflect on generational change and the likelihood that future leaders will come from the extreme factions now arguing online (126:12).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"This is not a lone actor. I don't believe it for a second."
— Tim Pool [30:07]

"Matt Walsh makes an interesting point ... this text exchange was scripted as a way to absolve the boyfriend. It's almost exactly what Walter White did at the end of Breaking Bad."
— Tim recounting Matt Walsh’s comment [16:23]

"Could you imagine trying to translate Gen Z to a general public? ... Are you the one who did? I am. No Cap. You know, the average person would be like, huh?"
— Tim (24:08)

"If the roommate did have any knowledge of this, I think Robinson wouldn't be stupid enough to write it down... If they lived together, they probably talked."
— Elad Eliahu [25:30]

"Seven different social media channels had posted foreknowledge of the event... it is astronomical odds."
— Tim [24:55]

"They're exploiting our goodwill... you just have to believe these people when they say these things."
— Tate Brown [69:57]

"Political violence has become an approved and acceptable part of our political process..."
— Elad Eliahu [112:25]

"The most impactful issue relating to Charlie Kirk's death was that the gruesome way in which he died visibly to the public, which shocked regular people to their core."
— Tim [102:33]

"The government cannot keep you safe. It is impossible."
— Tim [88:44]

"The issue that we're dealing with, as Phil mentions, terrorism... it's not about free speech. It's terrorism."
— Tim [41:43]

"We are beside on both sides... from people who intend to destroy our way of life."
— Tim [42:06]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• DOJ releases and context of messages: 01:02–09:28
• Authenticity debate about messages: 15:54–24:25
• Foreknowledge, wider conspiracy, Discord groups: 24:25–29:21
• Discussion of accomplice, old man distractor: 30:18–33:00
• Media misinformation and public polling confusion: 72:11–75:55
• Pam Bondi, free speech, and hate speech debate: 55:00–61:51
• Legal fragmentation of threats, mob tactics: 65:09–69:57
• Violence, risk of escalation, Insurrection Act scenario: 97:11–100:00
• Should conservatives change tactics or 'double down' on free speech?: 83:24–95:44
• Antifa, government overreach, FBI’s Arctic Frost probe: 105:35–110:00
• Extreme polarization, cognitive dissonance, generational politics: 126:12–130:46

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Tone and Style

• Direct, conversational, a sense of urgency—often emotional and unscripted.
• Frequent expressions of cynicism toward government, media, and political adversaries.
• The hosts emphasize transparency, critical thinking, and skepticism, especially regarding "official narratives."
• Tone wavers between analytical, combative, and at times darkly humorous.

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Conclusion

This episode is a raw, unfiltered analysis of political violence’s chilling effect, the weaponization (and fragmentation) of speech online, narrative war between left/right media, and the tangible fear among those in conservative activism and commentary. The panel argues that oversight, accountability, and federal action are necessary, but expresses deep skepticism about the government’s willingness or ability to act impartially. The path forward is seen as fraught, with adaptation and vigilance urged, but little hope for genuine societal reconciliation or depolarization in the near term.

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Transcript

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The complete text messages between the Charlie Kirk assassin and his lover have been released and it's fairly cut and dry, basically explaining why he did what he did. Now, there is something interesting about it. Some people are suggesting it's it's weird, it seems fake, something's off about it. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think it makes sense the way it does. But Matt Walsh made an interesting point to which I, I, I, I agree to a great degree. And that is it looks like the shooter may have stated these things and staged this conversation to absolve them of responsibility. Now, maybe I'm thinking too far ahead of myself. However, the DOJ is actually investigating a potential transgender online group for foreknowledge. This we've known about for some time. But there is more evidence emerging that there may be others involved. In which case, possibly these messages were sent in an effort to make it look like these other people were not involved. We don't know for sure. We can only go by the official reporting so far. And today was a crazy day and there is an insane amount of news. The old man who screamed that he shot Charlie Kirk and was detained, apparently according to documents, he did it to help the shooter escape. And now he's been charged with child abuse. Images Very crazy. Cash Patel had a Senate hearing this morning where he just laid into Cory Booker and Adam Schiff. Absolutely nuts. And in that hearing, it was revealed by Chuck Grassley that the FBI had a probe into 100 conservative groups, including TP USA, which is insane. Ladies and gentlemen, this is gonna be a heck of a crazy day. There is a lot of crazy news for us to get through and we'll do our best to get through all of it that we can. Before we get started, we got some great sponsors for you, my friends. We got Crowd health. 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No idea what happened. Well, let's just talk about the news, and then maybe at some point I'll call Alex Stein and maybe we'll be live and on his show. We got this from the post Millennial. It's huge. Complete text Exchange between Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs after Charlie Kirk killing. Quote, don't talk to the media. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent. What we are learning now, I mean this is pretty crazy. Take a look at this from the New York Post. Charlie Kirk assassination investigation widens to probe whether pro trans online groups knew in advance. And there's a lot more. Apparently there's this weird Utah and and like trans armed group. We'll get in a second, but let's just read about the transcripts so far. Newly released documents show Tyler Robbins and the 22 year old accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk confessed in text messages to his trans lover roommate Lance twigs after the Sept. 10 shooting and urged him to destroy the evidence. Police say Robinson's roommate, who was in a romantic relationship with him, received a text directing him to look under Robinson's keyboard. There he found a handwritten note that read, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. In a series of texts, Robinson admitted admitted response responsibility. I am, I am. I'm sorry. He told his roommate, his lover, explaining, I've had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. He also described leaving his rifle hidden and worried it could be traced back to his family. Robinson repeatedly asked his roommate to cover for him. Delete this exchange, one message read. So the text conversation is below, but I think we have the press conference here.

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The roommate. Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting and he did provide those messages to police. On September 10, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson which said, drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. Police found a photograph of this note. The following exchange text exchange then took place. After reading the note, the roommate responded. What? You're joking, right? Robinson, I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle. Still, to be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. You weren't the one who did it, right? Robinson? I am, I am. I'm sorry. I thought they caught the person. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering Roommate Yes. Robinson why did I do it? Roommate yeah. Robinson I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Roommate how long have you been planning this? Robinson A bit over a week. I believe I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. Robinson Again, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. Idek if it's had a serial number but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints. How the f will I explain losing it to my old man?

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I left was the rapport. Was the rifle wrapped in a towel? Remember how he was engraving bullets? The effing messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notice bulge uwu on Fox news, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm gonna have to leave it. That really effing sucks. Judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine. Idk I think that was a 2k dollar scope. Wink wink. Robinson. Robinson. Again. Delete this extreme exchange again. Robinson. My dad wants photos of the rifle. He says grandpa wants to know who has what. The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me rn, not answering. Robinson. Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty die hard maga. Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. Again, you are all I worry about. Love. That came from Robinson. Roommate. I'm much more worried about you. Robinson. Don't talk to the media. Please don't take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent.

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You know, he keeps saying love in the exchange and they're like roommate over and over again. It's like old man. Understand what they're trying to convey. I will also add quickly upon further investigation, our booking team has said. Wait, we made the mistake. Adam. I apologize if I have impugned, your honor. Apparently Adam had written earlier in the message October 16th and then after the message had progressed to the 16th, they wrote down the 16th, not realizing it meant a month from now.

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Oh, see you next month, buddy.

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In the meantime, however, I do have the actual text exchange and Matt Walsh makes an interesting point. It says I am leaning very strongly towards the theory that this text exchange was scripted as a way to absolve the boyfriend. It's almost exactly what Walter White did at the end of Breaking Bad. This feels like a strategy they cooked up from watching too much tv. I I Largely agree. I do. I. I say largely because when you take a look at the exchange is entirely plausible and it's real. A lot of people base their expectations on what people do and say on movies. And that means they, they assume everyone is going to have a dramatic response. Everyone is going to be bawling their eyes out. People react differently in different ways. Sometimes you just don't understand. And this could be entirely plausible. That being said, I don't believe based off what we've seen with this investigation where they're looking into whether these pro trans groups knew in advance this wasn't in a vacuum. They knew. And how the roommate would not have known is absurd to me. So I think it's entirely plausible that these messages were actually made as a. You couldn't have known. And then they can say, see, here's proof he wasn't involved.

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Provides a lot of sympathy for the roommate, that is for sure. I feel real bad that the. That the shooter seems to be putting this guy in a position where he's asking him to delete evidence and to be become an accomplice in a murder investigation. I hope the roommate didn't delete the messages like he was asked to. But one one of these things that messes is I'm wondering about is when he said he was engraving the bullets with LMAO or whatever these. The bullets were engraved.

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Who's he.

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Who's the guy that was engraving those bullets?

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That's the shooter.

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Robinson.

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The shooter said he when he was engraving the bullets.

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That's right.

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He's not talking about himself when he out of body.

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He said he's someone else.

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In the note, the shooter says to his roommate when he was engraving the bullets.

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He's talking about someone says, remember how I was engraving bullets? The ethnic messages are mostly a big meme. And if I see notices bulge ooh. On Fox News, I might have a stroke. All right, all right. I thought I'm going to have to leave it. That really effing sucks.

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Like, unless. Unless the texts were transposed. Like this is not how zoomers communicate. So that's the first red flag. And then the second one is what anons were pointing out on Thursday. I mean, captive dreamers, it is very.

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Obvious that they wrote this based on the messages and they are not one for one. And what I'm saying is it's interesting. Sorry to interrupt, but it's interesting to put all the question marks here. You weren't the one who did it, right? With all those question marks because all of Those question marks are flair, which is indicative of colloquial conversation. However, based on the grammar and punctuation, this is clearly not a one for one transcription. This is typed out by somebody. Yeah, because, I mean, guys, anybody. Just look at it. Nobody types in complete perfect sentence with grammar. Like, who uses commas when you're texting a friend?

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Just me because I'm from. Born in 1979.

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That's right.

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But the other thing was like I was saying is like a few anons pointed this out Thursday pretty much right after. I think captive dreamer is one of them is a lot of transgender people in the area were saying something big is going to happen tomorrow or they're preemptively celebrating and that sort of thing, which indicates that there was, you know, again, indicates that there was some sort of network of transgender people in the area beforehand that maybe Tyler had tipped off. And so that's. To your point, how would the roommate not be in the know? I mean, this. He would be presumably a part of that.

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You know what he said that he couldn't. It's at the very top of this message. I can't read it from this. From this distance. But he said that I couldn't take his hate anymore. He's talking about himself, talking about Charlie Kirk. Well, he. That's what he's projecting onto Charlie Kirk, but he's talking about his own inability to communicate.

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Here's the other thing I want to add. Notice the ellipses. It looks like they've omitted things. The ellipses in writing like this are usually indicative of pulling something out. And based on the structure of the ellipses again, it may just be that they typed that in because they are taking communications they saw and retyping it out.

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We're stitching text together.

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There is a typo. I Idek.

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Oh, that's. I don't even know.

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In which case there's not a single typo, which makes no sense because, bro, on my phone, especially with autocorrect, it is insane trying to send someone a message over any service, discord, text or otherwise. When it changes. Yo, I'll type in gov. Like, I want to say governor. So I'll type governor and it'll go government. Yeah, it just fills up the whole. I'm like, that's not the word I wanted. And I got to go back. It's even longer. It's a waste of time.

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Turned off auto Phil about two years ago. I'm like, just. Just take the. It's like Luke Skywalker going In the Death Star, I'm like, get the computer out of my face.

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Yeah. But then I'm sausage fingering words and, like, eyes and use.

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And I'm so concerned that it's going to plug in some horrific meaning that I didn't intend. It's the.

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You know, it does that. Yeah.

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The reason a lot of people are speculating that this maybe wasn't transposed is because a lot of the lines began without capital. Capitalization. And so a lot of people are saying, no, there's actually. This could just be a direct rip from their correspondence.

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Okay. Yeah. I don't believe that for a second.

[G]

If the roommate was involved in any way, they should obviously be held to whatever laws that they violated in doing so. One of the details that I think goes against it, though, was them thinking that it was the old guy being caught being the actual shooter, because that's what Cash Patel originally put out. And Cash Patel's getting a lot of pushback for that detail, too, for fudging that detail.

[B]

The old pedo, by the way, who has been charged now, or I should say alleged, charged with child abuse materials, which is. This is a crazy story. What is going on.

[G]

Sure. But what do you. I mean, what do you think about that, too? Do you think Cash fumbled this at all early on, saying that the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk.

[B]

Cash was not talking about the old man. He was talking about another person wearing similar clothes. And he didn't say suspect, he said subject. And he did make a mistake, but it's not the biggest deal in the world, in my opinion. My opinion. I think it shows that there are real humans trying to deal with this. And what I can't stand is that, you know, whenever you have a crisis or a catastrophe or disaster, you know, you're not getting real answers. Like when Deepwater Horizon happened. Yeah, like anyone seriously believed the statements from BP when they were coming out, talking about. It's like, I got a bridge to sell you. This shows, in my opinion, Cash is actually just a guy who's trying to do this job, and he's not treating it the way previous administrations and previous FBI heads have. And that means he's trying to be transparent. He was trying to give information to the people, and for that he went early and he made a mistake with it. Not that big a deal. I don't think it's the end of the world. And a lot of people are ragging on him saying he didn't do anything. Anyway, the family turned him in. And I'm like, yeah, only because they published information and they were doing the groundwork investigation and then they're verifying the guy. So what I will say is these messages. There's a couple ways I look at it. The first and highest probability, in my opinion is that this is transposed. No, Millennial. I mean, Phil, you're Gen X. Do you type like that?

[C]

No.

[B]

Yeah. Nope. Nobody does.

[E]

Maybe voice to text for some of it or something.

[B]

That's true. But. But it would get words wrong. But. But fair. Both are using voice to text. No. I don't know. And ones at a computer says, look under my keyboard. It seems obvious they transposed it, which means they flared it up with the question marks. Or the question marks were there and they added them. Make sure they're still there. But this looks like they transposed a conversation from. And that. Honestly, it makes sense. Could you imagine trying to translate Gen Z to a general public?

[I]

Nope.

[B]

It would say like, no. Like you. Are you the one who did? I am. No, Cap. You know, the average person would be like, huh, Yes, I am. I'm sorry. How do you say I'm sorry in Gen Z? Might be my fault. My bad. Yeah, my bad. No Cap. No Cap. My bad.

[E]

Saws is an soz or is that a little out now?

[D]

I think that's you guys. Yeah.

[E]

Oh, that was. That was like the third generation after me, before you. I don't know how far there is.

[B]

There is how. Another, however, another high probability in my opinion, though much lower than chance is what Matt Walsh said. The reason why it looks unlike Gen Z is that the message was written by them intentionally to isolate any external groups who aided and abetted this. As we already mentioned, they're investigating these other groups for foreknowledge, it seems. Listen. Seven different social media channels accounts had posted foreknowledge of the event. How many lottery numbers are there? Six.

[C]

Yeah, it's like usually six or seven. Six. And then like a Powerball or whatever.

[B]

Okay, so it's. It's a lottery. Lottery tickets. It's greater than a lottery tickets chance that these people were able to predict days and even a month in advance this was going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out this was actually written intentionally by them so that when they got caught or if they got caught, they could say this absolves anyone else of responsibility and proves it because they had no idea.

[G]

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[G]

It's about an in person like that. That's what I think is a lot.

[D]

More like he was still near. Near the scene. That's why he was saying, I'll come back for the rifle later.

[G]

No, but if he knew ahead of time, like anything that he'd do anything, I don't think he'd tell him. Yeah, with like an online record, you're.

[E]

Saying if the roommate knew, there's no need to go into a textual communication about it. They already knew ahead of time.

[G]

I think Robinson would say to the roommate in person in such a way that wouldn't be able to. To leave a.

[B]

Well, apparently my understanding is that they, they deleted this. They thought that by saying it and then erasing it, it wouldn't be caught by the FBI, but that's ridiculous.

[G]

Like, if these guys are roommates, they're probably hanging out on the couch. Robinson really hates Kirk. He's saying, like, oh, he couldn't get home.

[C]

Roommates.

[B]

Roommates. You mean they're hanging out in bed?

[G]

Hanging out in bed, having a little talk, thinking, oh wow, Charlie, Kirk's such a big bully. Like, and I hear he's coming to town.

[E]

Pillow talk here.

[G]

I.

[B]

He's like, yeah, but. But he says, I'm stuck in Orem. I won't make it home.

[G]

Oh, no. But I'm saying if we're looking for more information about the roommate being involved in this One way or another.

[B]

You know what's fascinating about this room? It sounds.

[C]

It sounded like the roommate. I mean, whether. I don't know whether or not this is an actual genuine exchange, but the way that it sounds, it doesn't sound like the roommate actually had foreknowledge. At least not to me.

[E]

Yeah. Because he kept asking, are you serious?

[B]

Sure. That my personal opinion is. Come on. Yeah. Like the boyfriend was just secretly plotting the whole time.

[D]

He would be the only transgender person in all of Utah, evidently that didn't.

[B]

Know this was exactly all these other people were posting. Like, wait till you see what happens to Charlie Kirk. It sounds like. And Cash said this. He was asked, are you investigating the other people in the 20 people in Discord? And says, it's a lot more than that. It's a lot more than that.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

So these. These people who posted online, these are the weak links. Because if you get a discord with a couple hundred people in it and someone says they're going to go harm Charlie Kirk, Keep your mouth shut. The giddy losers went, ooh, I have to tell somebody. I have to tell people because I get to know. But everybody knows. You gotta. You, you, you. That. That is the weak link. Right. Like, for instance, if someone were were to have given pre release Magic the Gathering cards to Tim Pool and I came out and started posting pictures of them, then people could get in trouble. So nothing like that has ever happened.

[E]

Yeah, that would be a big mistake if something like that were to ever happen.

[B]

I know. You can't give magic Gathering cards to someone before their release date.

[E]

No, no, you can't. Can't do anything like that.

[B]

But I'm only joking because Spider Man's coming out soon. I have no foreknowledge of Spider man that's going to. Yeah, they're doing the Spider Man. But that's the point, right? If, like, if you were to get something in advance, there are people who want everyone to know that they're special. Yep. And these seven people who released that, they couldn't stand that they knew and other people didn't know they knew. So they had to say it.

[C]

Very common with music journalists.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Back when you used to give them the record to. To review, they'd be like, oh, I got it. And they talk to their friends and give people copies.

[B]

They want to brag about how they got it. You know, you pointed.

[E]

You said something kind of simply, Phil, that if this is even real and because I'm still in like, shock from the. The Passport of the terrorist hijacker of 911 that they found on the ground. This is. I'm putting it in air quotes because this was the official story. They found the hijacker's passport, which is evidence that he was the one that blew up the building nearby. What the hell? Like, so now they have some text communication and they're like, here, look, read this.

[C]

Four years later, you're still wowed by that.

[E]

Yeah, I'm still burned. Like, I just don't trust the government. I don't trust the media.

[C]

Well, I mean, there's plenty of reason to not trust the government.

[B]

But.

[C]

But as for, you know, this particular stuff, you know, the, the evidence seems to point to that there were a lot of people that, that knew about this.

[B]

Let's jump to this story from the Independent. Man, 71, told cops he shot Charlie Kirk in order to give the real shooter time to escape. Document say. Now here's interesting. This guy, George Zinn, the man who falsely told police he shot Kirk, has now been charged with possessing child porn. Okay, this was not a lone actor. I don't believe it for a second. Why would this guy have, at 71, just. With all due respect to elderly, but just of himself standing there as an old man know that he needed to grant someone time to escape. This was actually the theory. As soon as it happened and they realized he wasn't the shooter, people were like, why would he do that? Well, we brought it up on the show. It distracted police who got. Who jumped at him and then the shooter on the roof ran. Had he not done that, they may have looked around and try and figure out where the shooter was. Instead they went and grabbed him. Instead, he successfully distracted him. Now, just in all honesty, how did he have the quick wit as soon as the shot happened to do that?

[E]

Maybe he's like a broken swell. Okay, I'm just going to go ahead and say maybe he's a broken psychopath with child porn on his phone and he was just wanting it so bad. Yeah, maybe.

[C]

Possibility.

[E]

And it was like he heard the noise and immediate was like. And like he's like, this is my mission.

[D]

I just like you can randomly grab a leftist out of a crowd and they're a pedophile.

[C]

Magic man Kyle Rittenhouse proved it.

[B]

Yeah, I think there is a decent probability, though I'm not saying it's guaranteed or greater than chance that the evidence shows there are more. Look, fact people had foreknowledge. I don't think you look at seven posts online from these Trans or trans linked individuals saying something's going to happen and be like, that's a coincidence. Now that's, That's. That's too much for me. Sorry. It, like, how many. How many times the Powerball get missed until someone won the $1.8 billion every. Every two drawings per week. And it took months. So it is. It is astronomical odds to have seven people predict even the day of saying something big's gonna happen. You'll note when you see it, and then after it happens, say, that's that. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, look, the good news is there are more people that they can wrap up and put in jail. You know, if these people are a danger and they knew, or if they knew and they didn't say anything, they're a danger to society as well. So have the FBI wrap them up. Charge him with terrorism, charge him with accessory. Throw him in jail forever.

[B]

I think, considering what we find out about this guy and his proclivities, seems to be that there's probably an overlap with him and his. These other people on these Discord servers.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

I was thinking, how many people that identify as transgender have seen child. Have seen pornography under the age of 10 when they were under the age of 10. Like, how many kids were warped by pornography as young children?

[C]

Super. Don't care. They're still advocating murder. They go to jail.

[E]

Yeah, but that's the cross between a guy with a child pornography and people that have seen porn when they were little kids. You know, there's this weird sexual perversion.

[C]

All in jail, right to jail. I don't care about anyone.

[D]

I mean, if they're.

[C]

I don't care about any of, like, when they saw what. When they saw what or whatever, put them in jail. And that's. That's all that I need to know. I don't care about the backstory.

[D]

Well, and if they're tweeting, like, veiled threats, that indicates they have nothing to lose anyway. And that's kind of the problem is you take these psychopaths that have nothing to lose, that's how you end up with this situation. So it's like. Like, I'm with Phil. Let's. Let's knock on their doors and figure out what's going on.

[B]

Not to mention this guy in particular. I remember I was in. I went to University of UT. Like, 2013, when I was going to school there. He called in a threat to. I think he called in or sent in a threat to the Salt Lake Tribune saying he was going to blow up the Salt Lake Marathon, right after the Boston Marathon. So he has a proclivity to do this in the first place, whatever chance he can get to be in, like, this kind of. And he was. He was 59 years old when that happened. Yeah. Yeah, Totally nuts. So.

[D]

Mental asylums, man. Geez.

[B]

Yeah. I think there are more people that are involved. I think. I don't trust the messages they put out are complete. They say it's complete, but I don't trust it because there's a. There's a Lipsen. It's. And it's perfect. It's perfect grammar, so it's clearly transposed. And I think everyone probably understands there is security clearance for a reason. They're never going to release literally everything, especially if it could jeopardize their criminal prosecution of the individuals. That being said, the New York Times reporting acted alone. I find that hard to believe. And Cash has said that they're investigating way more people. Lots more than 20 is what he said. So it sounds like even Cash has said publicly at this hearing, yeah, more people are likely involved in this. So, you know, the media trying to downplay it is very strange to me.

[E]

It's so weird because if you're in a discord chat and this is. I was thinking, trying to think of the perspectives of these people and some rando is like, I'm gonna go commit crime, and you're like, ignore it. Like, if I got a random Twitter message from some anonymous account that says.

[B]

They'Re gonna go commit a crime, I.

[E]

Wouldn'T even pay a. A mind to it. I wouldn't think to send it to the FBI. And then if the crime happens, I'm like, what? But if a friend of mine texts me, they're going to commit a crime, Right. To the FBI. Just so you know, friends out there don't commit crimes and tell me you're going to do it. So I don't. All these people that happen to be in the same room with the guy that maybe saw a text, it sucks that they're going to get a knock on the door. But that may be just for the sake of the integrity of the mission, you know, they may. It's worth checking out and having a conversation. I don't know what mission of finding out, getting to the bottom of the. If there's a conspiracy, so there's likely a conspiracy.

[C]

If there's more than, you know, 20.

[E]

People, more than one person, I think.

[G]

The government is going to struggle to put together a way to go after people such that it satisfies. Conservatives or right wingers that they're going after the left enough. So I think the administration's struggling to find a way to not let this so called political crisis go to waste for them to have something effective to do. But what are they going to do? You know, you have the attorney general Pam Bondi saying she from one moment in an interview earlier that like she's going to go after hate speech. But like I don't think that's the direction of Charlie Kirk, that Charlie Kirk would have wanted this to go in. Like he was famously a free speech type guy. So like the administration is struggling. Like what if this Robinson guy didn't isolated and didn't implicate any of his friends to a degree that could get them arrested or anything. You know what, what does that leave for people to want to do in the government?

[E]

Well, that's a Rahm Emanuel quote. He was Obama's chief of staff. Don't ever let a good tragedy go to waste. I'm paraphrasing. You can get people to do things that they would otherwise not do and then Pam Bondi comes out and says if you use hate speech, we're going to target you. And then walks it back on Axios the next day. Trump, when asked about it, says maybe she'll go after you next to the reporter because you've said some unkind things to me. Like you. Yeah, this is a nasty opportunity for a government to completely trash their constitution and establish martial law. So the populace fortunately were intelligent enough to see it.

[C]

I can't imagine how martial law would come from this.

[E]

Well, it starts with the repeal of free speech and then just knock the dominoes down.

[C]

You think the president is going to enforce institute martial law nationwide and you think that the National Guard of the multiple states are going to comply?

[E]

No, I don't think it's going to happen.

[G]

Okay guys, what do we want the government to do about this besides going.

[C]

The government to start investigating every single antifa Reddit account. There's Reddit pages that are dedicated to anti fascists. Anyone that's involved in any of the antifa attacks, the antifa attack on the ICE facility, the specific attacks against the border patrol guys a couple couple months back. I want all those people investigated, all of the people that connected with them. I want anyone that's involved with the trans community in Utah investigated or people that were in those discords, I want them investigated and I want all the people that are that have committed crimes, I want them all arrested and I want them all Put in jail.

[D]

Yeah, well, I mean, I think Bondi specifically, it was just a maybe sloppy way of putting it. I mean, what needs to be done is people that are sending threats, people are saying, oh, you deserve to die for saying this. Those are the people that should get knocks on the door. You don't have to call. That's not hate speech. That's a separate thing. But I think that's what she's referring to.

[C]

You need her actual, like, the things that she said are actually bad. Like, she's terrible with messaging, horrible with messaging, sloppy. Because this is about terrorism. This is about organized terrorism. You know, organizations that are terrorist groups intending to chill political speech to frighten people of a certain political persuasion. So those people should be. Should be investigated, and if they committed crimes, they should be arrested and tried.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, precisely.

[E]

She was sloppy with the.

[B]

The.

[E]

The threat. Whenever there's a threat, you know, the Supreme Court's been through this. It was in, like 60. It was during the Vietnam War. A guy said, if you draft me and. And make me carry a rifle, the first person I'll put in my sights is. LBJ was the president at the time. And then. So they arrested him. It went all the way up to the Supreme Court. And they're like, it wasn't a true threat because everyone laughed. He didn't. And so they didn't. They realized, like, you can say stuff like that and it's not a real threat. And then, so now it's like, you have to establish, like, that there was intention to establish that it was a true threat. Often there's what they call, like, immediacy.

[C]

Like, that's why we're not talking. That's why, like, talking about hate speech or like the. The. Whether it's. What's the word I'm looking for?

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[C]

Or whether it was trying to get people to commit a crime or whatever.

[E]

Incitation.

[C]

Yeah, inciting. That's. Thank you very much. Inciting. That's not what's being discussed or what should be discussed. Material support to terrorism.

[B]

Right, right.

[C]

Like this isn't about. The people that are saying it's about free speech are wrong. That's not the topic at hand. It's terrorism.

[D]

Correct.

[C]

So the people that are helping terrorists and if they are helping them, the old guy that was trying to get with the get the police's attention and trying to help the shooter get away. Material support to a terrorist attack. It's not about free material.

[B]

He helped him. Welcome to. Welcome to warfare. That's it. Cry, complain, stand on your morals and be destroyed. Now I'm not saying there's a civil war happening right now. Despite all the lies from the writers trying to claim that I am. Because I literally made a video today where I said I do not think we are in a civil war. I made a video responding to a great video by Moon where he said that the assassination of Charlie Kirk will lead to civil war. He did a large breakdown of the case. But let me explain something to you. All is fair and love is war is a saying for a reason. And what's happening right now is we are beside on both sides. On all sides. From people who intend to destroy our way of life. And I mean all sides as in you have foreign actors and you have domestic actors. Now they are going to exploit our laws and our way of life and Take away whatever they can from us. And they're going to. They're going to use our own goodwill against us, as they have for a very long time. Let me explain how. We believe in free speech. We want you to have the right to express your opinions without fear of reprisal from the government. We recognize that someone might try and stop you. It's called the heckler's veto. But we're opposed to that as well. And if you are speaking your opinion and someone attacks you, that is wrong and they will be charged. Now, the left says you shouldn't have free speech because speech has consequences. And it's hate speech gets us, gets us all fired, banned, censored for years. And this results in mass censorship, the loss of industry. People have their lives destroyed. Now we are experiencing people on the right getting people fired because they are dancing on the grave of Charlie Kirk. And it is largely just people saying things like he deserved it or whatever, and they're calling their company and they're getting fired. There's a big difference, I will add, between someone saying a naughty word 10 years ago and someone actively dancing on the grave, advocating effectively for political violence. But here's the point. We talked about that liberal influencer who, whose name I'll leave off for now. The other day, Elon Musk called for his arrest. Maybe we'll talk about a second. And what he said was very, very cleverly worded to avoid crossing the line of the First Amendment. He said, and I'm going to paraphrase the points made in the Piers Morgan debate and videos from his own channel. Violence has reached an extreme degree. 7 of 10 of the worst protests of the biggest protests in the country. More political violence we've ever seen. And if you quote, if you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, Donald Trump shouldn't have been president for the second term, he said in another video. Conservatives need to fear being killed. They need to fear death. That is, saying it as explicitly as you can without getting into legal trouble. Why, if violence has already reached an extreme degree, to where we've got seven to ten of the biggest protests and people are getting shot and assassinated, literally. What else could happen that would make a conservative fear dying? Well, extreme violence won't do it, he said. It's like memes. They don't believe that they'll actually die until one of them does. That's the, the implicit. Now, of course, if he came out and said people need to go do X, he'd have crossed the line. He'd get some legal Trouble. If he said people go out and do this thing, he'd find some incitement charges, there'd be some terroristic threat charges appearing online. But he didn't say it. He said, no, no. I'm just saying once conservatives fear death, they'll tell Trump to knock it off. Which is explicitly stating, or I should say implicitly, it's implying in the most legally circuitous way possible, conservatives will die unless the left gets their way. And he is reminding you now, the issue that we're dealing with, as Phil mentions, terrorism. If someone comes out and says, Charlie Kirk got what's coming and people should do more to the rest of them, which they're saying all over the place, and they have lists with my name on it, for instance. Ian, you're correct. You've brought it up before. That's not an imminent threat. That's free speech. Right. Technically, it's literal. You are allowed to say that people are deserving of death and that someone should do it or whatever. As long as you don't say you at this time, go do thing. There has to be a direct and imminent threat created for it to cross the line. You are legally allowed to yell fire in a crowded theater. That is a myth. Here's the point I'm making. They should be arrested. Why? Well, I put it like this. It is wise to tell someone, don't take a bucket full of water and throw it on your kitchen floor. Right?

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Except when there's a fire. Correct. And that's the problem we're dealing with. We sit here standing in a burning house as they have literally murdered Charlie Kirk. And then they are saying, let us keep waving the death of a conservative in your face. So you are too scared to go out. So you will never vote for Trump again. So you will learn your lesson. That's what, that's what Destiny said on Piers Morgan Show. Learn your lesson, conservatives, stop speaking your mind, stop doing events, and maybe then they will decide to stop killing your friends. Now, so far, unfortunately, there's only been a small handful of our friends that have died. And that's because it's not just Charlie Kirk, though he is the most high profile. Everybody remembers Aaron Danielson, who is friends to many conservatives, and he was walking down the street in Portland when Michael Rinal put two bullets in his chest. And the statement from Destiny was very clear. You shouldn't have voted for Donald Trump then because the left will murder you. So we get the message. We get the message. And now when these people go online in their stochastic terroristic fashion and say, y' all deserve what's coming next. And we are watching you. And so I'll be completely honest with everybody. I'm gonna tell you exactly what's going on. Complete transparency with is with great respect and honor that I have been invited to Arizona this Sunday. And it means a lot to me that the team over there considers this, and I apologize if I shouldn't be talking about this, but it needs to be said. I do not feel that we can have the security to go. And that was the intention of these terrorists. And it is terror. Explicitly stating that I cannot go to this funeral because they can secure the event. And I'm sure it will be. The president will be there. But they can't secure the airports, they can't secure the buses, they can't secure the roads. And it is in Arizona where it takes one crackpot. And so this is the conversation I've been having for the past several hours, and I probably shouldn't talk about in the show, but it needs to be said. When they go on TikTok and say things like, more people are going to die and you deserve it. It is the intended terrorism. And how do we deal with it? We let people speak freely because of the First Amendment. Well, sometimes, Sometimes it is okay to dump water into your home because you're not concerned about the water damage anymore. You're concerned about your home burning down. And when I am living in a reality where people are going online and posting a list of names saying, next, that's a death threat. But I'm supposed to be told under the current Supreme Court rulings that this is protected free speech because they didn't actually articulate anything.

[E]

You know what?

[B]

So what do we do as a country. Sorry, real quick. When we are living in a society, we are living in a system where prominent social media platforms will allow a prominent streamer with millions of followers to go out and say, if you didn't want your friend dead, you shouldn't have voted for Trump. I got the message loud and clear, brother. I got it loud and clear. Maybe now Donald Trump, Pam Bondi, whoever else needs to say, if you are speaking terror with the intention to destroy people's lives and make them live in fear so they will not express their political opinion. This is overt terror. And you know what the argument is? After Charlie Kirk is dead, we are in a very dangerous spot because this is always how authoritarian structures come to rise. We are in an untenable situation that they have created intentionally because it is my opinion that the left wants a civil war so they can destroy the Constitution. It's the only way to get rid of that piece of paper which is tethered to shreds but still offers tremendous protection. And in fact our gun rights have expanded tremendously since its inception, as is our free speech. But they have put us in a position where they are going online and they are saying, hey, remember when we killed your friend? You are next. That's free speech. That's free speech. Because they're saying it in clever ways. So I'll put it like this. The very simple analogy. Two people are standing on a street corner. One person screams, Nazis should be killed. It's free speech. The next person points at you and says, hey everyone, that's the Nazi. Also free speech. Together those statement is go kill that guy. Which would violate the law. However, because they split it up between two people, we have to tolerate that they're calling for our deaths, killing our friends, threatening our lives and making it impossible for me to go to a funeral.

[E]

And we're in an age of amplification of the common man. Before in the 90s there's no way you could get a terroristic threat out. You'd have to take over a news station. There's like TV shows about guys break now any idiot can pick up their phone and make some veiled threat. And so we need to basically social. The government is good at using force. We're good at using diplomacy as civilians. And we have in letting employers know. If you have employees that are celebrating murder and implying that they would like to see more, they are going to get fired from their jobs. They're not welcome in civil society. That's one way to fight back against it in the modern age with this. But the tools people, I don't. There are so many people that don't understand the power of the amplification of putting a message online right now that are getting wrapped into this.

[B]

We decided today we will be doing our culture war live events.

[G]

Oh based nice.

[B]

We will. The, the university events we will not do because they are going online right now saying that I should die and they will kill me. And they're doing it in ways where when we talk to law enforcement, law enforcement can't do anything about it, nor can we sue them, nor will the social media platforms take this stuff down. Because publishing a list of names is free speech. Well, but you know why they're doing it. And so I will, I will tell you guys in all seriousness, we do not Discuss for security reasons, for the most part, the issues that we deal with only some. And I feel like I, you know, the conversation I'm having behind the scenes literally 10 minutes before the show starts is how am I supposed to go fly to this city with all of these posts online saying they're going to kill me. But they're not doing it explicitly. They're not saying, Mr. Poole, we will find you and you will be and we will and we'll murder you. They're just saying watch your neck. It's free speech. They're saying, I live in. I live in this city. Hope to see you soon.

[E]

You might make an argument if someone could be. It's about intention there. If they're terrorizing you. If there's an. If they like Charlie got shot in the neck and then they say watch your neck, there's definite intention.

[B]

And that is the point. Point about throwing water on your kitchen floor. So check this out. So the point real quick is that by all legal standards, saying watch your neck is first amendment protected speech. You've made the argument that we could now interpret that as a death threat. That is the line and that is the fear. When the government decides to interpret what is legally clear free speech, as a death threat because of context is when we enter Phil's territory of it is no longer free speech, it is terrorism. And that is a scary thought to me that this country has come to a point where you can say something that five years ago was an expression of opinion. But in the modern context of assassination and political violence is intended to terrorize and destroy and ruin lives. Now the only solution is we arrested or file civil charges or bring charges against people who are speaking out terroristic threats. Let me ask you guys, these are clearly terroristic threats, are they not?

[E]

Well, it's about intention. Some of them, maybe. Some people might just inheriting.

[B]

So let's try this. When someone says something like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Tim Pool, Michael Knowles, hope to see you soon. Winky emoji and a trans flag.

[E]

It depends on who said that, where they said it.

[B]

That's indeed. But you know what they mean, right?

[G]

Totally.

[B]

And so when does it become terrorism?

[G]

When does it become an explicit threat? It needs to be an explicit call for violence.

[B]

And that means we will live under their boot where destiny can go on Piers Morgan and say that he that implicitly you will be murdered by them and you know it. And they can threaten your life directly to your face, but they can say it in a way where you will never do Anything about it. Totally.

[G]

They're taking advantage of free speech. Yes.

[B]

And that means the only outcome is regular people are being told right now, Charlie Kirk was a moderate and they killed him. And the message is clear when destiny goes on. Piers Morgan. The message is clear when these make these posts to all of those who deviated and dared to vote for Trump, you're next. And we can do it. You know why? Because you wouldn't dare lift a finger against us. That's what you're saying. And that is the fear I have. The choices we have are let them post implicit death threats in context. We get what they're saying and we can't prosecute them or decide to cross that line and say, we understand your intent. That's a terroristic threat and you will go to jail for it.

[G]

Do you believe hate speech is a thing?

[B]

No. Well, yes, it is.

[G]

Okay. Because on this point, I wanted to follow up with you on something that.

[B]

Pambandi said on this though, because hate speech is real. Hate speech is free speech. You are allowed to have speech in which is hateful. So let's define hate speech. Hate speech is typically defined in a broad sense as language that demeans the ride's protected categories. It exists and we can give a broad name to the behavior. That's fine. Now, whether we make that illegal. That's wrong.

[G]

That's distinct from like people calling from violence. Hate speech is distinct from that. Okay, because there's this.

[B]

Let's pull up the Pam Bondi hate speech thing and so we can, we can move on before I lose my.

[G]

Mind, because that's exactly where you're going, though. I mean, this is the exact issue she's dealing with. Because then I think you should agree with that.

[B]

Let's pull this up. Here's a story from cnn. Pam Bondi's hate speech comments lead even some conservatives to cry foul. They say within hours of Charlie Kirk's assassination, Donald Trump signaled a rather curious crackdown. My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it. There was no evidence last week that the shooter was anything other than a lone wolf actor. And there still isn't. False. There is evidence because people had foreknowledged. I didn't say proof, but evidence. Try harder, cnn. It wasn't difficult. Difficult to see how such a thing could get out of hand. And the administration has done little in the days. Blah, blah, blah. Conservative activists are already drawing attention to random people who celebrated Kirk's death online, while some GOP lawmakers are pushing for employers to fire workers who posted things such as their lack of sympathy for Kirk's murder. Even Attorney General Pam Bondi and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller have criticized employees who allegedly refused to print posters honoring Kirk with Bondi saying they could be prosecuted. Trump on Monday said he'd consider naming far left antifa movement, domestic terrorists and people I'm going to pause real quick. Antifa is an international association. It can be named a foreign terrorist organization. I digress. In the Oval Office on Monday, the president responded to a conservative journalist who said the anti war protesters near the White House still have their First Amendment right. Yeah, well, I'm not so sure. Through it all, many on the right largely shrugged. But Bondi on Monday made it so some of them could no longer shrug. They quickly cried foul over her comments on a podcast that the Justice Department go after hate speech. The National Reviews Charles C. Cook wagered the supreme court would reject Bondi's view. 9 to 0 she should know this, Brit Hume said. Conservative radio host Eric Eric Erickson wagered that such a standard could lead to prosecutions of preachers for opposing gay marriage.

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[B]

Even vehemently pro Trump pundits flatly rejected it. Charlie Kirk literally died defending the principle that Pam Bondi is trashing, said right wing influencer Hans Monk. Just unreal. Now the point brought up before this segment is right now what we are experiencing is the left using concurrent statements and actions to terrorize and Threaten death on people like me. It's personal. And they are, they are doing it in a way where they fragment the threats so they don't cross the threshold into illegality. In order for speech to be illegal, it has to. Well, there's a few categories. Fraudulent, meaning you lie to someone with the intent to take resources from them, in which case your presentation and delivery of information, the speech is actually committing a crime. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about when does someone say something. And that is creating a clear and imminent threat. Which means you have to tell a person, you go do this or do this at this time. So if you told someone to commit a crime and said here at this time, you have created an imminent threat, you have crossed the line. You are participant in that crime. What we're experiencing now and the challenge we face, the knee jerk reaction for many conservatives to cry foul over the over hate speech makes sense. But what's happened is in the simplest of terms. I'll give you the broad, the broad explanation. First, Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Prominent liberals are saying he deserved it. And then many others saying y' all are next. And they're putting up lists. The message is clear. While no individual is telling you you are going, they, they are instructing someone to kill you. So they've not created an imminent threat. Together they create an imminent threat where not a single one can be prosecuted. This is speech. Black block tactics, I would call it. Well, let me, let me just wrap this up.

[G]

Can I read her quote? Because I feel like it's really.

[B]

Okay, read the quote.

[G]

This is important here because the quotes are what fired up a lot of people. She said there's free speech, then there's hate speech. And there's no place, especially now, especially what happened after what happened to Charlie. In our society, we will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything that crosses the aisle.

[B]

And she's wrong because hate speech means using language that demeans a specific social group or class of people.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

And that is, that is protected and that's, that's unambiguous and she should resign.

[G]

And it's stupid of her to say. And I feel like she's been dropping the ball on this and some other issues. I mean, I really feel like it's a very aggressive, unforced error. Everybody on the right has been slamming her.

[B]

Indeed, on this one thing makes a lot of them. But, but, but. So let me clarify something real quick. The issue we're dealing with right now with that context in mind is that if an individual said, Tim Pool, I'm going to kill you and I'm going to do it at this point, like that's a death threat. I can actually contact the FBI and they will be criminally charged and I'll get a restraining order or a protection or something like that. But when they say someone should kill Tim Pool because he's a Nazi, and then another person says in response to that post, or just another post, here's Tim Pool's address, another person then responds with, I'm going to come meet you, Tim, at your house at this address. We understand what they did. They fragmented the death threat into three pieces so that you can't prosecute any one of them. I then personally have a terroristic threat made against my life, which is explicit and in front of my face. And this has literally been happening and I'm told by law enforcement we can't do anything about it. They're allowed to do that.

[G]

Can I ask you then how about we get specific and I'll give you an example. There's a prominent leftist Twitch creator that constantly promotes violence and uses euphemisms of violence against the right and justifies violence against the right. Do you think they should be banned off Twitch?

[B]

Who?

[G]

I'm talking about Hasan.

[B]

Yeah, well, I'll be careful to say I haven't seen enough of Hasan's content and out of context videos aren't enough for me to make determination. I've seen the videos that have circulated on X where Hasan said stuff like Gunn and things like that and I.

[G]

Think he's expressed support or tacit support for Hezbollah, Hamas, terrorist organizations. He said America deserved 9 11, I believe is what. Yeah, that's more famous quotes, totally. But we're talking about this line, right, of where they're encouraging violence against the right. I know he's going on spiels of encouraging violence against right wingers and how the Zionists should be unpersoned. They shouldn't be welcomed in society, they should be treated the way the holies work.

[B]

I get it. Supporting foreign terror organizations verbally is free speech. Explicitly supporting Israel or rejecting Israel, you are allowed to express those opinions. Now, if a prominent streamer said if you didn't want Charlie, if you wanted Charlie Kirk alive, Donald Trump shouldn't have been the president in the second term. And then in a different show, I believe before this said, conservatives need to be made to fear. Conservatives need to fear that they will be killed when they go out. We understand the intention of that. When you say when, the first part of that is after Charlie Kirk's assassination, you are saying, if you express your political views through the ballot box, the left will murder you. So the message there is now clear. But did it cross the line into illegality? It did not. So it goes right before the line and says, whoa, we know what he's saying, but he didn't say anybody should go individually. Take an action. Then someone on Instagram or on. On threads or on X says, here's an idea, and post a list of names. My name's in it, and I know what the context of that means. Everyone does. A judge would. They'd look at that and say, we know exactly what you are saying with that. But it doesn't cross the line. We now live in a society where I can look at Tweedledee and Tweedledum, send me a death threat, because one talks and the other finishes, and the law does nothing about it. Now, we all agree as a society, the law says you can't send death threats. You can't. You can't issue death threats, verbally written or otherwise. That's a crime. But when Tweedledee says, I think someone needs to kill a Nazi, and then Tweedledum goes, hey, look, everyone, there's the Nazi. We know that they just said, go kill him. And we've seen this taken place when Luke Rudkowski was mercilessly beaten in Germany because some random guy point at him and yelled, nazi Schweinhund. And the other random people ran up and started punching him. Right? And they didn't even know why. They didn't know or care. It is a mob. And. And we. When we see this, this was what, seven years ago, Luke was pummeled and beaten in Germany. A journalist with another young journalist. They were both beaten, and one had serious damage to his. I think to his knee because someone yelled, Nazi. We know why they say this. I think Phil and Blair had a similar tweet. They don't call you a fascist because they want to kill you. They. What is it? What is.

[C]

They don't call you a fascist because they want to kill you. They call you a fascist in order to make it. To make it okay to kill you. They don't believe you're a fascist.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry. They don't want to kill you because they're fascists. They call you a fascist so that they can kill you. Yeah. So here's my. Here's the issue right now. I agree Pam Bondi statement was bad. However, how do we reconcile that with the Internet and social media? The ability of individuals to collectively issue death threats. They are now immune from prosecution. On top of that, I will add antifa and far left black bloc tactics have made them immune from prosecution as well for physical violence. Because like we saw in 2017 when 200 or so individuals got together, organized and wore the same thing. They set fires to the streets, they smashed windows. And when the police arrested them, they. They had the charges dropped, sued the city and won. The city couldn't prosecute any individual because the argument is always, is there reasonable doubt? And when you ask a jury, they say, what clothes was the man wearing? A black hoodie, a black mask, sunglasses, and black jeans. And you grabbed him after he threw a Molotov cocktail? I did. And how many other people were there wearing a black hoodie, sunglasses, a black mask and black jeans? And 200. So how do you know you grabbed the right guy? Because I saw him do it. And then the defense looks at the jury and says, do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt that that man grabbed the right guy? And they go, no, acquitted, free to go. They have made themselves immune to prosecution when they fire bomb buildings. They have made themselves immune to prosecution when they issued death threats. What do we do? Honest question. Because they've exploited our goodwill and our. And our. It's called the liberal democracy. I know it's not an actual democracy, but we refer to societies where we allow the individuals for our representation. Constitutional republic with democratically represented, democratically elected representatives. They have exploited the system we've built. They are destroying the fabric of it because it was intended for a good, moral people who act in good faith, and they don't. So I'm just saying this. The question before us right now is if someone goes online and makes a veiled threat, that can be. That can be interpreted as one. Like, we know what they're saying when someone says something like, just found your address online. Tim Pool, I'm coming to meet you. How's Charlie? That's free speech. But you know what the intention is. And they're doing things like that like crazy. They're posting online saying, how's your friend Charlie? How is, you know, how are things going out in West Virginia? Here's a list of people that we're going to put out there. Just because then someone says something like, I think I'm going to follow up on that list exactly how you'd expect. They're making TikTok videos where they say, who's going to go do it, you know what it means and everyone knows what it means. But it's free speech. Yeah. Normally we can't function when you take the puzzle piece.

[E]

Each person's statement is a piece of a puzzle that makes an obvious image. It's conspiracy. But you need a crime to have happened for it to become known as a conspiracy. Until then, it's like, can't prove that they're conspiring until something bad happens and you're like, I don't know, but doesn't work. I keep looking at Saul Linsky.

[B]

Do you?

[E]

Who wants to. I don't know if he's communist or what rules for radicals. The real, the real action is in the enemy's reaction. That is what we have to be aware of is that whatever the reaction to this is, it's not an answer.

[B]

But that's my point. The left has boxed us in intentionally to make a choice. They can either terrorize us and engage in overt stochastic terrorism. That's their term. Or we can ask Trump to put a stop to it. Either way, they have a contingency in place. It's a rock and a hard place. But I'll just point out this. We've highlighted this quite a bit recently. DC to pay 1.6 million a settled claims from 2017 Inauguration Day demonstrations, infuriating. The government charged these individuals in the black bloc, these far leftists, with conspiracy because their argument is when you all dress the same to cover up the crimes of those around you and make it hard to prosecute, you have conspired. They lost, were sued and lost again. And we, the taxpayer, paid 1.6 million to far leftists who we know. And I filmed firebomb.

[C]

I can't believe that they lost that court case. And it's likely because of the who the, the actual judge was in it because it's a, A, you know, judge appointed by the left. He was a leftist and he didn't think they did anything particularly bad. And it's horrible that we have to live under the situation, but the only thing I can think of is, you know, do everything you can to have conservatives appointing the judges. But that's not actually a solution.

[D]

Well, I think, I just think Tim's point, I mean, put it perfectly, is they're exploiting our goodwill. And like carefully using that word, exploiting, I mean, because we're, you just have to believe these people when they, when they say these things. Like, that's just. The point we're at is I don't know how many More people will have to die until conservatives realize this is like you have to believe these people when they're saying these things.

[B]

Ladies and gentlemen, let's jump to this poll from YouGov. As far as you know, is the person who shot Charlie Kirk a Democrat, Republican, neither or not sure. Among all adults, 21% of adults think that the shooter was a Democrat. 24 think he was a Republican. That means the public would be wrong. 15 said neither and 40 said not sure. Before we move forward with the rest of this, I want to show you this article from the Telegraph. Charlie Kirk suspect was was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate Tyler Robinson was arrested after someone he was living with handed evidence to the FBI. I don't think it is typical of Republicans to be living having romantic relationships with trans people. Unless the left wants to argue now that the right is pro trans. Let me make sure I can get more context for you and pull up a statement from the Utah governor so we can add to this and we will use. Let's see, let's go with the independent and we'll grab a couple more just to make sure this is clear. Charlie Kirk shooting suspect was on the left, but motive still unclear. Utah governor says let's try another source. Let's do the Washington Post. Here we go. A separate source. Kirk shooting suspect had leftist ideology but motive unclear. Okay. I think the Washington Post, the Telegraph and the Independent are good enough sources for those that are watching this video to now understand that while this guy was not a Democrat or a Republican, he was a left aligned individual, which puts him in the Democrat political camp. So this is a poorly warded question to be completely honest. But the answers given are remarkable by region. This is funny. In the Northeast, 20% said Democrat, 23 Republican. The Midwest 25 said Democrat, 24 Republican. You want to know why that is? Because y' all in the Midwest are big viewers of Tim cast irl. Thank you for watching.

[C]

Very good.

[B]

It actually is true. Chicago is our biggest probably because I'm Chicago politics. Let's go by gender. 22% of males think he's a Democrat, 24 a Republican. 20% of females a Democrat, 25% are Republican, which they'd be wrong by politics. Democrats when asked as far as you know, is the person who shot Charlie Kirk, 41% said he was a Republican. 41% of Democrats incorrectly said the shooter was a Republican. Why? Because liberals like politics Girl who I believe is Midas touch fabricated information and flooded the zone. She among many and in and I believe it was Intentional to confuse and obfuscate the fact that it appears the motivating factor of Charlie Kirk's assassination was transgender ideology. I will stress, while transgender ideology isn't typically associated with left economic policy, it is progressive ideology. And there's one important distinction here. If you are quote unquote on the left, you have there is no issue whatsoever in you publicly stating you don't want socialist economic policy. They won't care. There are only a couple of issues that you can say that will excise you from the left, and one of them is opposition to gender ideology, which puts it squarely on the left. So if you think a Republican had a transgender lover, that's very strange considering what Democrats actually fight for. Now, when Republicans were asked 40% said he was a Democrat. To be fair, Democrat aligned makes sense. But the question is poorly worded as he was politically unaffiliated, in which case neither is technically the correct answer. But if we're. This is why. If you're actually asking this question, you should respond with left aligned, right aligned, or liberal or conservative leaning. But we understand the intent behind this. Democrats are wrong. Republicans are right. Democrats were tricked into believing something that is not true. How do we function when you have people like Jimmy Kimmel intentionally lying? Politics Girl intentionally lying. The Krasnsteins, destiny, all of them. And they know they're lying. I am not playing this game. I am not stupid, and I will not be manipulated by people who are going to try and tear on your heartstrings and exploit your goodwill while they advocate for death and murder. They know they're lying. Why some of these things are so absurd to believe in the first place that you with. You have to intentionally look, you'd have to be developmentally disabled to make some of these statements that these people have made. Like, Jimmy Kimmel doesn't have a team of people who can use Google. How many press conferences have we had where they're like, he had a trans lover and was and he was leftist aligned? The Guardian reported that he had his friend said he was a leftist, the only left person in his family. The mother stated that he had been pushed to the left, that the father called him because the father was upset that the kid was dating a man, that the guy was dating a man, that he was gay. Axios reported the griper thing was a lie. Axios reported six independent sources familiar with the investigation said the motivating factor may be his transgender lover. I think they said roommate. And Democrats still believe fake reality. So when Politics Girl makes a Video and she's like, turns out he came from a conservative background. And the engravings on the gun were just markings from a manufacturer. There is no way, no way she wasn't aware that she was reading lies directly into that camera. How do you live in a place like this?

[C]

It's tough because they're doing their best to place the blame, you know, on conservatives. And this is kind of modus operandi, like the way that the ADL had accumulate or taken the information that they got for that. The right is actually responsible for most of the political violence and stuff. They went into. They went to. Into prisons, and every time there was a white supremacist that got into a fight with someone that was. They called that politically motivated. And it's. It's intended to create this narrative that the left never does anything wrong and it's always the right. And when it is the left, well, it was justified. And you can see that by the way people reacted on TikTok and on Instagram and reels and stuff like that.

[B]

It's, you know, I just saw a post from Andy. No. Shout out to Andy. No. Something I hadn't considered in the previous story, but I'll bring up now as we're in the general conversation. I think it is now fair to say that we have proof that we literally just showed the shooter did not act alone. Andy Noah has a great post. The shooter, according to the messages released by, I believe, by the DOJ and the sheriff and police, was of the shooter instructing his lover to destroy incriminating evidence. And they had stressed that the letter that said he was going to kill Charlie had been destroyed, and they found forensic evidence of it. And the messages that they recovered from Discord, I believe they said, had been destroyed, which would imply that while he may not have organized, we may not have direct proof that the shooter organized the assassination with help. I think we have evidence that he did. Other people knew about it, so perhaps he worked. Fair point. Perhaps he worked alone, but he told people what he was doing. However, as far as the crime goes. Yeah, I can't believe I missed this one. Shout out, Andy. No. Instructing an individual to destroy evidence implicates you in that crime, not for the murder, but for the destruction of evidence.

[E]

If they actually destroy the evidence.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

And they did.

[E]

That's what I asked on that, on that segment earlier, did he actually destroy the text messages?

[B]

And.

[E]

And if he did, he becomes an accomplice.

[B]

You're right. Right.

[C]

Deleting them counts as destroying evidence. Right.

[B]

I believe yeah, it does.

[E]

If someone tells you they just committed a felony and you delete it. And they say please delete it and you delete it. Your accomplice.

[B]

But not just that. I believe that it was cash. I could be wrong. Someone had made a statement that there was a letter saying that the shooter said he had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and he was going to do it. They said the note was destroyed, but they found forensic evidence of it. I thought it was a digital message. From what they've reported, it was a note he wrote and put under his keyboard and then told his lover to lift the keyboard and take a look who saw the letter. If that indeed was destroyed, then that's. I believe that's probably what many felonies. Yep. Interesting.

[C]

Probably a felony account. Every. Every message that they deleted, they'd probably.

[D]

Count as a so to the.

[B]

To the point of this YouGov, let's.

[G]

Map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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That's not the itinerary we're following.

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Bon voyage.

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Poll guys. Subscribe to my channel at Tim Pool. It's on Rumble and YouTube. New videos. I did an asset. I did a review assessments reaction to a video from a YouTube channel called Moon where he. He argued the assassination of Charlie Kirk will bring about civil war. That was the title. And he points out that as we have, there is no reconciliation because each group lives in an entirely different universe and that means that the other group isn't becomes an existential threat. I think it is clear to say right now I have proven to all of you the shooter was not a Republican. If your argument is that Republicans are transphobic, then you have a cognitive dissonance. Because why would a Republican that you believe is transphobic be living with a trans roommate and kill one of the most, if not the most prominent prominent conservative activists in the country? That does not make a lick of sense. Furthermore, I've shown you numerous articles and statements showing that officials said this was a leftist aligned person with a trans roommate. So it is clear if you still believe that the shooter was a Republican, you, you have cognitive dissonance. But more to the point, it is, it is clear now to all of you who don't that Democrats clearly do. How do we live in a society with terroristic threats, violence, assassinations from people who believe 2 plus 2 equals 5. Also not an exaggeration. Yeah, well, what do you.

[D]

I was gonna say real quick is like, I mean this isn't even like 2020 where you could chalk this up to propaganda or gaslighting or that sort of thing. You have not even a joke mainstream outlets saying this guy was a leftist and Democrats are still digging their heels in. So it's like you can't even chalk this one up to propaganda this time. This is just straight up cognitive dissonance.

[C]

This is straight up cognitive dissonance for some, but it's also. There's a motivation to deceive.

[D]

There's a huge social incentive right now to double down on this.

[G]

So earlier we were asking what should the response be given all these threats, given that the Constitution was made for a moral and religious people and leftists in our country are not that. How do we react to people who are bending at the fabric of our Constitution in our society? I think we need to double down on the values that Charlie Kirk espoused and continued to continue his legacy and how he went about his advocacy. I think when people try to terrorize Conservative outside of college campuses. We need to double down and continue going to college campuses. I don't think we need to run away from free speech. I think we need to double down on free speech. I think cracking down on free speech would be antithetical to all of Charlie Kirk's values. So I think, Tim, I think you have, like, a reason to be afraid and concerned about going to Charlie Kirk's wedding. But I think, like, funeral. Funeral. Oh, yeah.

[E]

Although he did have a great video about how men wear black at their wedding because it's a kind of funeral.

[G]

And like, the values he talked about were getting married, getting married early, and being religious. But I guess living in fear would really only encourage more terrorism because then they'd be accomplishing their goal and you'd be further incentivizing their goal. Also recently came out the speakers for Charlie Kirk's memorial service. President Trump, Vice President Trump, Erica Kirk, White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, Secretary of state Marco Rubio, RFK Jr. Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump Jr.

[B]

Indeed.

[G]

I think it would be meaningful if you were able to arrive too.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not like a speaker or anything like that.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

And they have secure sections for high profile individuals. And it's a weird thing to say, but we. I have so many death threats. The question is not the event, which would obviously be amazing, but look, it's an extremely high profile event in. In Arizona. And this means that I have to have a 247 security detail. I'll be confined to my hotel. This is the reality of going into places like this right now. We're a week out now. I get it. I can do the basic disguise thing and, you know, try and figure things out and do stuff like that. And my point is not that I wouldn't go. The point is not that fear has kept me confined to my house and I won't even go outside anymore or anything like that. Now there's a thing called courage. Courage does not mean you don't have fear. It means that even when you're afraid, you still push forward. The. The issue that I bring up with this debate is that they have created an air of terror that for a fact, we. I already. Who are we talking with? Conor Tomlinson. When he said there were conservatives who did not go to the Unite the Kingdom rally because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Yeah. So Charlie Kirk is assassinated by a leftist now, I think it's fair to say. Confirmed. And they go online and say, you are next. We know where you are and we're coming for you. The purpose is to terrify as many people as possible. And to be completely honest, the threat of death is real. It's a real. It's a real death threat. So you've got now got to weigh the risks you are willing to take and what risks and why. And so the question of the university event that I was going to be doing with Alex Stein, that was going to be in a month and we're canceling that. I think Alex said he was canceling all of his university events because you can't secure it. Does it make sense in a time of political assassinations and death threats for me to go out in the public to try and talk with 500 people when I can do my show and reach millions? Why would I risk losing my opportunity to speak and call these things out? For that. And so for that, we've canceled it. That being said, for the events that we're doing for the culture war live, they're indoor, with full security screenings. We are still making concessions. I've long said I believe in the Second Amendment, and if I'm going to go in public and people want to be armed, then so be it. But now the question is I can't because one, because they're actively trying to kill us, expressing the desire to do so and largely getting away with the threats.

[E]

I think you're right, Elad, that we do. Phil, sorry, let me rattle this off and then jump over to you really quick that we do need to double down on Charlie's message, which is free speech. That is the essence. But the tactics. We've got to be smart, because if you're in combat, an enemy develops a new artillery that can hit your far back line and they wipe out squadrons of men. You don't go, you know what? I'm going to keep doing it because it's the right. And you stop moving people into that position. You start moving into different positions now that there's a new tactic.

[C]

This isn't about free speech, right? This is not about free speech. The point, the reason why Tim is talking about safety issues and whether or not he's going to go is because this is about terrorism. We keep bringing up free speech as if this is about reasonable discourse. This is not about discourse. This is about intent to chill political. Political expression. It's about terrorism. So continuing to talk about this as if it's a free speech issue, isn't there?

[B]

Not about. This is the very essence point how we speak out against the jury point. Okay, then do you think we should arrest someone who says, hey, Tim, I'm coming to meet you. I got your address. How's your friend Charlie doing?

[C]

I understand, I understand the points that.

[B]

You'Re making for that person be arrested.

[G]

No, no, they shouldn't.

[B]

I'm asking.

[C]

I'm talking to you. Okay with the point, but no, he shouldn't. I don't think that he should. But that's, That's. I understand the. And I understand the points that you're making, but the, the topic that we're actually discussing, that we should be discussing is how government is going to make sure that people can express themselves politically. Of course, we can't do anything about people that are going to make illusions and say things like that and use multiple people to try to intimidate multiple statements to try to intimidate people. But the point is, we need to use all of the powers of the federal government to prevent these types of actions from happening in the first place.

[B]

That's not possible.

[E]

That's why we have a second Amendment.

[B]

You protect yourself. It's not the federal government.

[E]

That's not possible.

[C]

No, Ian, it's you.

[B]

Amy Klobuchar today was talking to Kash Patel at the Senate hearing, and she had this really great statement for about two minutes before it turned into garbage. And she was saying, I'm sorry for your loss. This political violence is really bad. Charlie Kirk, you know, shouldn't have been killed. There was Minnesota lawmakers, they also died. Cash said, I'm sorry for your loss as well. This is really bad. And then she said, the right's doing it and we need to ban guns. Banning guns will not do any there. You cannot. Like, this is the conversation I have with security. There is no such thing as perfect security. It's impossible. The government cannot keep you safe. It is impossible. The government struggles to keep itself safe. So what are we, what are we talking about then? No one's allowed to carry knives like in the uk. So then they carry screwdrivers and they ban screwdrivers. So then someone carries a cricket bat and they ban that. And then someone puts. Has a padlock and they're like, you're gonna wrap a shoelace around that padlock and ban that. People will find a way. And this is the terrifying reality of hyper partisan hyperpolarization and conflict, that there is nothing the federal government can do that will stop a single lunatic leftist from taking a knife, showing up at a conservative event. And in a split second, that knife can take on a lot of People.

[E]

I kept thinking about things you, we've all talked about, and particularly where's the off ramp? A question that's been in my head for a week thinking about Phil, and I made a video about it today on YouTube. I'm the off ramp. You are the off ramp if you want to be. It's a constant struggle. It will never stop. It's like driving through a road and we're taking shots. We have a mission.

[D]

But, yeah, but, like, beyond that, we should also be very careful to, like, project what Charlie's reaction to this would be, because the next closest person is Erica Kirk, and she was very explicit that we need to crush this political violence, and she gave Trump the green light to do what he needs to do to end this. So it's like, we should also be very careful, like, projecting. Well, Charlie was the free speech guy. It's like he, he was. But the, the paradigm has changed. This is not just free speech. They're literally sending, they're sending explicit threats in Minecraft because they think that's like a loophole. And he's like, enough.

[C]

Look, I, I, I get death threats myself. I got a very explicit one today on, on X, and I retweeted it just because I want to make sure that these things are public. But the fact of the matter is, is like you said, Erica, Trump made. All right, sorry, Erica Kirk made the point that this is not just about a free speech issue. And I understand everyone here is talking about, you know, how can the government do this? How can the government do that? The government has shown has in the past gone to pretty, pretty sizable lengths to stop terrorism. We have a whole, we had, we had the whole war on terror, and there are all of the levers of power that the federal government had to use during the war on terror. They still have, and they actually used them. What?

[B]

And look what we're dealing with.

[C]

Well, that's true, but they haven't used them against the left. They ended up turning them towards the Republicans, to be honest with you. But the point that I'm making is there are things that the government can do. Nothing will ever be perfect. I'm not saying that. They can protect every single person completely and totally. And, Ian, you brought up the Second Amendment. Look who you're talking to. I mean, I'm constant. I'm the guy that always carries.

[B]

Right?

[C]

I'm the guy that always has guns on him. So it's not like I don't understand what you're saying. And it's not like I'M saying, oh, we should offload our individual protection to the government. But this isn't about protect, just protecting individuals. This is about going after the organizations. Because Antifa, even though they are a. They're not a specific organization, they are a loosely affiliated group of people, there are still ways to go after them and the government should be doing that. And that activity, that operation by the government will put pressure on people that might say things or might take matters into their own hand. They're going to say, I don't know, it's not worth it for me if I to make these jokes.

[B]

They're, they're.

[C]

And it's not again, it's not going to be perfect.

[B]

I'm not a fan of the Zap Branigan method and that is sending in wave after wave of your own men until the kill bots reach their preset kill bot kill limit.

[C]

Right?

[B]

And then they just power down. And, and what I mean by that is the idea that the left has explicitly stated that they will kill us and they are, and it's happening and we are concerned that it will escalate. The idea that we will just keep sending the most prominent into the fray in the exact same way is kind of a dumb idea. Like hoping at some point leftists just get tired of it and stop. So now, to be fair, leftist violence is the most pronounced. The way I've often described it is the. If you actually read and watch the news, leftist violence happens the most. They lie, of course, through institutions and manipulation to claim it's the right. But that's not true. However, violence aligned with twisted right ideologies tends to be what I would call more acute. So you get a crazy guy who goes like a racist shooting rampage or something. Now for the left, they've taken the spotlight with even the most violent of shootings. In the past couple of years. We've had now several transgender mass shooters. It's rather alarming. And so even what we would describe as the blunt already being on the left. But I'm sorry, what we describe as the acute being right wing is now being dominated by the left. And the blunt, which has always been left wing, is also dominated by the left wing. So they've clearly taken the cake. Even Stephen Marsh, who's a liberal, has admitted this in his article for the Independent. So the argument is what I'm saying, we should not just be, hey, Charlie Kirk, his life was taken by a leftist because he was doing these things. Let's send a bunch of more people to go do the exact same thing. And just like send them into the battlefield to fight the killbots. There is an argument, to be honest, that maybe if we were like, hey everybody, let's all go out and do the exact same thing out in the open where people are gonna try and shoot you because if you die, then America snaps to attention because if, you know, if another political assassination will be devastating, this country would fall apart overnight. I think what we actually do is we assess the circumstances and adapt our strategies. We don't stop, we double down, but we don't just say, hey, I should continue my college event and go out and stand in the public in front of several hundred people with, with an event that's impossible to secure. That makes no sense.

[E]

Yeah, it's a multi tiered solution. It's not any one thing. The free speech is the long goal, of course, the Constitution upholding that. And then in the acute, in the, in the immediate.

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[E]

You need to tamp down on terrorist organizations and using the federal government for that. I fully agree with you.

[B]

I have a question for you.

[E]

I also though I'm concerned about what the definition of terrorist is, I do.

[B]

Want to discuss that. But real quick, I have a question for the audience and I have a question for you guys here. I've only talked about this somewhat privately, but considering what's going on, I think it's fine to ask this question publicly. Although I was thinking before I probably should, but I will. What do you think would happen in the United States if another prominent right aligned personality was assassinated in a similar Fashion in the span of a couple, a week or two.

[E]

Patrick, Ben David said, basically what you just said, that that could be the end of, the end of it.

[D]

You would get tit for tat violence potentially. But the thing about the United States, the way it's structured like our cities are structured, is it doesn't facilitate a right wing mass mobilization just because people like conservatives live in the suburbs and rural areas so they can't just drive into downtown and park to riot. So you wouldn't see any rioting. The left, on the other hand, can mobilize overnight riot, etc. Etc. The question is, so you would get tit for tat.

[G]

The truth of the matter is that maybe the Republicans would benefit next in the next midterm election, but I frankly believe that you think nothing would happen. For the most part, people have very short memories. Unfortunately. The attitudes in the country might be tense for a bit, but writ large.

[B]

So hold on, let's rephrase just to make sure I get what you're saying correctly. Yeah. If following one week after Charlie Crook's assassination, another prominent high profile conservative assassination. Hey, Tucker Carlson, you think people would go, huh?

[G]

They wouldn't go. Donald Trump may attend their funeral. Pam Bondi would put out a strong statement. I'm sure many congressmen, including some Democrat congressman would condemn it. But writ large, it would affect the electorate up until maybe the midterms that may be coming up in a year or so, a little bit over a year and a half or what have you. But, but we have short memories and the president, the president literally got shot and was almost assassinated and if nothing happened there. No, I don't really see why it would go anywhere further or much crazier if it was some commentator.

[C]

Because he lived. Because he lived. I honestly think that at the point that we're at right now, that might get conservatives to protest and demonstrate in the street now. Not, I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about actually doing anything. I'm not talking about big riots. But I think that like, you would see a lot more vigils because they're, I mean, even with, with Charlie, there are candlelight vigils. You would see more conservatives going and doing things. Again, not rioting. This wouldn't be like, I'm not implying that it would be like as, as if a, you know, a prominent Democrat got killed, but I do think that you might see conservatives out doing more vigils. Doing more of what, doing more of what they did for Charlie.

[B]

I think that's if within the span of a week or two following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, another prominent conservative voice personality was killed, you would get there would be extreme anger and rage manifesting in isolated areas among the right. But the right doesn't have anything to protest in this regard. It's leftist extreme violence. What you'd likely see is first, a lot of public attendance to meetings. There'd be people, you'd have meetings like really, really stuff. Something you probably wouldn't even notice. I believe that Donald Trump would issue a direct statement over the threat of far left terror expanding because of the shock to the system that was Charlie Kirk's death. I think they said only four NFL teams didn't honor him. Short memory. No, no, no, no, no. Nearly every single football stadium had a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk. The Yankees did in Vegas and the Marquis, they put memorials for Charlie Kirk. They're a moment of silence for him across the border. All of these mainstream institutions. The New York Times put a memorial on their menu bar. If within the span of a week another shock like that happened, you get the boot down by Trump. And I believe the Democratic Party would basically cease to exist. And I'm saying if it was explicitly, like a Democrat ideologically aligned individual who did it, it Trump would come out and say, this has crossed the line. We are entering into extreme territory. This country cannot handle this level of violence. And I'm saying the same thing. Meaning you get more celebrations from the left, you get more mockery, you get more lies. I think this country would, overnight. Overnight it would be unrecognizable to you. This is when Donald Trump invokes the Insurrection act with impunity. This is when federal law enforcement is dispatched and there are no Democrats willing to step up against it because they know what the left did to incite it. There will be some Democrats that would say things like, this is crossing a line and it shouldn't happen. But for the most part, they'd be terrified. They'd be saying, I don't know what to do because all of my constituents are terrified of the assassins, not of law enforcement. And they want the law enforcement. So those Democrats shut up Donald Trump then goes in ICE enforcement, you'd get pockets of leftist insurgency. They'd be, they're already doing it. And what is it? Two ICE guys got, got seriously injured. One guy in Chicago got nearly run over and shot and killed. The illegal immigrant happening in Florida, that kind of stuff would expand. I don't think what, what I think is actually terrifying in this context. Is, did you guys know that two guys tried planting a bomb on a Fox News truck in Utah? Absolutely. Did you guys know that an ICE officer was trying to arrest an illegal who then sped off and was dragging him, so he shot and killed the guy? And I believe that happened again in Florida shortly after. There are stories that are terrifying, that are in the news that we're not actually talking about. These are domestic issues where we are seeing the left engage in serious violence and it's. And it's swept. It's swept under. So my fear is if we. We are. We are dangerously close to the precipice.

[G]

The.

[B]

The Charlie Crook assassination was several things. He was a moderate. That terrifies people. He preached debate and free speech, and they killed him. Horrifying. He was young. That really scares people. He had a family and his family watched him die. That terrifies people. All of these are compounding effects. But I hate to say this, and I hate to be crude, but I believe the most impactful issue relating to Charlie Kirk's death was that the gruesome way in which he died visibly to the public, which shocked regular people to their core, to see, not in a movie, but the actual merciless killing which resulted in such a horrific injury that everyone watched whether or not you knew who he was or did not. Regular people cried when they saw that because it's a horrific, graphic moment that terrifies people. So everyone's on edge right now. I do agree with you to a certain extent, a lot that people have a short memory because already we're starting to see more and more liberals come out with glee and lie about Charlie Kirk a week out. But it's kind of like an overheating. The pot has boiled over and is starting to simmer down. We are dangerously close if something comparable happened. The pots popping.

[G]

I struggle to see a coherent response from the current administration. Already, to respond to the. To respond to Charlie Kirk's assassination is why I'm so skeptical of. If they were, God forbid, another attack on some prominent conservative, that they'd have a much better way of responding. I don't foresee them, again, really cracking down on free speech laws, even though that's kind of the first thing that they went to. I don't know if I need to recite this because we've heard this argument a million times. If a Democrat administration were to get in, they'd abuse these hates and speech laws against the Republicans.

[B]

I'm going to stop you there because we're well beyond that argument, meaning we've already watched Democrats arrest the front runner for their opposing party. The argument that if Democrats win, our speech is threatened is ridiculous because I'm actually more concerned about who they're going to execute and arrest. Yep.

[G]

All right, then. Anti free speech laws are antithetical to our Constitution. Is.

[B]

So let me make the point again. Throwing a full bucket of water onto your kitchen floor is a bad idea. It'll cause water damage. But when your house is on fire, it's exactly what you should do.

[G]

Sure. But Democrats argue that about the Second Amendment, and I disagree with them on that. On the Second Amendment, they'd say, you know, there's too much.

[B]

I think it's fair to point out that some people are stupid and other people are not. And the point is, when they make arguments that hate speech is an existential threat, we know they're psychotic. When we make the argument that assassinating Charlie Kirk and threatening death on conservatives for voting for Trump is an existential threat, that's a fact base because Charlie Kirk was killed. So the point is we can't question people's speech. Democrats will do bad things to us. You mean like kill people or try to put the president in prison, which they're still trying to do. They're just stuck because he's in the presidency and they can't prosecute him.

[C]

What was the Today, what was the program that Kash Patel and Arctic.

[B]

What is it? Arctic Tundra or Arctic Fox? Arctic Frost.

[C]

The government, they use. They're using the government.

[B]

Let's do this. I'm sorry to cut into super chat time. Here's a story for you. I got to go.

[E]

I'm actually hosting Inverted World tonight. Shane Cashman is going to be out, so I'm going to be over there. It starts at 10pm on Inverted World. I believe YouTube is going to send you over there.

[B]

Check it out. I'll be there.

[E]

Thank you guys for having me tonight. Excellent conversation, guys.

[B]

Here's a story from the New York Post. FBI Arctic frost probe targeted nearly 100 GOP groups, including Charlie Kirk's TP USA. This, of course, was exposed by Senator Grassley in the hearing with Cash Patel earlier. They say an FBI investigation launched in the wake of the 2020 election scrutinized nearly 100 Republican GOP aligned groups, including Turning Point USA. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley published files related to the probe, condemned, sorry, codenamed Arctic Frost during a panel hearing, saying the records revealed Arctic Frost was much was much broader than just an electoral matter and that the investigation expanded to Republican organizations. Some examples of the groups that Ray, that Ray's FBI sought to place under political investigation included the Republican National Committee, Republican Attorneys General association and Trump political groups. Grassley went on, let me just make it clear. The argument that, oh, no, we can't, because Democrats would later. Democrats already did. And we are. Let me, let me, let me say this. I would. I think the left wants a civil war in this country because it is the only way they can destroy the Constitution, which basically protects us. It's tattered to shreds. It isn't the only thing that protects us. But that written document makes it very difficult for the left to make dramatic revolutionary change. Were a civil war to happen, they can rewrite whatever they want. So they are intentionally creating circumstances by which this conflict arises. Democrats are more than happy to oblige. They have tried, they, they, they arrested Trump several times. They have tried to put him in prison. They are still trying to put him in prison, but it's frozen because Trump is currently president. A left aligned individual said that Charlie was too hateful to be negotiated with. And so this, this assassin, allegedly, you know, innocent until proven guilty. But it looks like the evidence they've released so far is pretty damning. This left line individual shot and murdered Charlie Kirk. We are in an untenable circumstance. They are issuing death threats and veiled threats, publishing addresses, trying to get prominent individuals killed. What can we do? We can say, hold on, we are not going to go after them because they've used loopholes in how they speak so that we can't prosecute them. They've used loopholes and how they commit acts of physical violence and vandalism, so we can't prosecute them. So we'll sit back and let them do it. And what will you get? The far left will riot, smash, burn, destroy things and we'll sit back and say, but you can't prosecute because we can't figure out who individually they are. And they'll keep doing it. And if you try to prosecute them under conspiracy, we saw what happened in D.C. they'll sue you and they'll win. That's when we follow the liberal rules, the classical liberal rules, which we believe in. We want to, but unfortunately, as the founding fathers stated, these rules only work for a moral. And what do they say? Moral and religious.

[C]

Virtuous.

[B]

Virtuous was that it was religious and moral people To John Adams, yes, religious and moral people. That means we create rules and we say we agree, we're trying to live together and we'll abide by these rules. Meanwhile, homies got aces up his sleeve and he's like, you got it, buddy. You're going to keep playing with them. It's a rock and a hard place. You're going to flip the table. Now there's no game for anybody. This is the challenge. The FBI was going after Charlie Kirk's organization, tpusa. They targeted him. I don't know where we go from here. I don't, I don't. I have no. This is insane. My prediction was going to be that we've already seen the prosecution of prominent liberals. You've got Letitia James being prosecuted. Looked at, I believe she's got criminal charges. For what? Mortgage fraud. Did they actually launch the charges? Adam Schiff now I believe is Schiff. Similarly. So this game is expanding. Is there any reason to believe it stops? Honest question. People tell me I'm fear mongering for asking this question. I am looking at this like a simple math problem. Two plus two equals what? You're not going to change the answer. So if they try to arrest Donald Trump, it is entirely predictable that Donald Trump's DOJ and others along with Trump would then go after these individuals in any way they can. Mortgage fraud. They found a way. They killed Charlie Kirk. What happens next? Trump says. Pam Bondi says we're going to go after them. Someone asked Trump. But I think those protesters still have their free speeches. I'm not so sure it's predictable. Two hyper polarized sides. Neither will back down because both sides want to maintain their moral worldview. And I'll keep it real simple. In what reality will a conservative agree to live in a country that legalizes child sex changes? They're gonna say no to that. And I know this is just one granular political issue, but it's an example. There are issues by which conservatives say I will not abide and the liberals look at them back and say neither will I. Then what? That's why some people have been advocating for years now national divorce, which wouldn't solve the problem because, you know, if Arizona got split from the rest of the country or look, Arizona needs water from other places. The Great Lakes have a lot of it. There's food shipped all over this country. There are trade routes that are entwined. And if resources were cut off, including weapons and military, then you are going to get fighting. Imagine what would happen if the Colorado river got damned upstream from LA because they said we have no negotiating, no treaties with you. Imagine if these states went to California and said because there's no longer a federal government overseeing this. We are willing to give you water, but your 13 million people in LA are gonna have to tithe to US war. I I so I hope and I beg that we are not going to escalate. And I say it every time. Maybe this is the time people finally wake up. But take a look at what Media San did. This guy published a fake a list of fake quotes from Charlie Kirk. They are out of context, spliced so that it makes Charlie's sound really really bad. Why? Because he wants to make sure liberals feel okay with the fact that one of them murdered him so they can say yes, his assassinations are bad, but look how awful this guy was. And then liberals go, yeah, assassinations are bad, but he was the devil. Right? That's where we're at. What happens next?

[G]

Political violence has become an approved and acceptable part of our political process, such that you're seeing people like Mehdi Hasan after the fact try to like tacitly say that it was okay. Not explicitly say it, but like saying, oh look at all these terrible quotes he had. Or look what he said about Gaza. Or look at he'd probably argue that Charlie Kirk supported the genocide alleged genocide in Gaza and the let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

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[I]

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[G]

Come join the party, therefore it's justified in killing him or whatnot. But as we're seeing the more this become more acceptable, I think there's no reason to see to predict less political violence in our political process. I think it would be naive to think otherwise. I think people are continuing to dehumanize the other political side. People on the left. Left think conservatives simply aren't human. They think that Zionists simply aren't human. We've been seeing violence towards them and I mean we've also been seeing it in the reverse. Some people on the right also dehumanize people on the left such to the degree that I wouldn't be surprised if we saw political violence against them in the future as well. It's also unfortunate that it seems that this violence is effective. In their goal, they managed to take out a major figure on the right that will be irreplaceable.

[D]

So I mean, that's why these condemnations from the left are just useless. Because they're saying, okay, it's wrong that Kirk died, but then they add so many qualifiers onto it so they can, so they can signal to their side that, oh, I still think I'm still dehumanizing. Don't worry, I'm still saying he's a fascist Nazi. But I have to put this in here for PR reasons that it's wrong that he was killed. So it's like even in their condemnations it's still not turning the temperature down whatsoever. And this is only coming from the left. I mean, if this happened to a left wing person, the entire right would say this is wrong, full stop.

[B]

And here's one for you. Let's get as personal as I can. In December of last year, I was informed by my legal team that the DOJ had basically had effectively dropped their investigation of the Russian individuals purportedly secretly funding Tenet. It was gone as almost as quickly as it emerged. They said, nope. And I was telling them, no, no, no, no, no, I want all this stuff released. They have besmirched my good name. We had nothing to do with anything untoward. And what are you going to do? You can't make the doj. Lauren Chen came out recently and issued a statement that it was formally dropped in all capacity in April. To this day, Democrats still lie and say it's true. So let me just make sure this is very clear to everybody. Not only was it formally dropped and their argument is, yeah, well, Trump's DOJ did it. They stopped investigating and basically called it off in December. And I reported. I stated that at the time and they ignore it. I think it's fair to. Fair to state that the intention the whole time in targeting Tenet was to. It was an October surprise. Yeah. It was intended to smear me, Benny, Dave and others. Take a look at what Dave's content was. It was America's Funniest Home Videos. I'm not kidding. Yeah, it got limited traction. No disrespect, but he was. He's making videos where he was watching funny videos online and reacting to. To him. And they claimed that that was Russian propaganda. What is the culture war show? We did. We had a discussion recently on religion and AI. We're doing one on exorcisms and demons. Totally unrelated to politics for the most part. It was all lies. They came out and made some wild claims. The DOJ did this, issued a press release. Now I just heard recently that Cash Patel issuing these statements was unprecedented. Regarding these assassination. There was an article written by some liberal Democrat guy saying that it is on a former former FBI said is unheard of for the head, the FBI to come out and make statements like this. Mayor Garland did. He gave a press conference where he talked about this. How weird. How often does he do that? How often does he issue these press conferences? He doesn't. Never did. And then right after the election, they told my legal team there was no investigation. The case was basically over. What was the point of it in the first place? 2 people no 1 ever heard of, that we can't confirm exist in a faraway country. Did something we can't prove. They never published any evidence. But the Democrats act like it's true. I think it's political. I think what the FBI is doing political. I think it's fascinating when I say it is civil strife, political civil war, cold civil war or whatever. People are like laughable. And then you look at what they're doing. The the FBI went after Turning Point. Charlie Kirk is dead now. I think it's broader than people realize. And I think people should have realized the moment they put Trump in cuffs. I mean that figuratively they gave him the moment they took his mug shot. Trump's at the top. If they're going to go for the king, imagine what they do for every they're going to try to do to everybody else.

[D]

Yep. He wasn't kidding when he said they're coming after you. I'm just in the way.

[B]

100%.

[D]

Truest thing you ever said.

[C]

Well, I mean, look, the, the whatever, Arctic frost or whatever, that proves it.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, the fact that the FBI was investigating parents for going to PTA meetings and saying that they didn't like the curriculum, that proves it. And this isn't, this isn't some kind of theory or hypothetical. Like the federal government has been used against conservatives ever since 2012 with the IRS scandal with Lois Lunar Learner.

[B]

We do need to go to chats. So we're going to jump to chats. I know we went way long on this one, but I apologize. It's just, just this, this one's got me going. And I gotta shout out a sponsor too, while we still have time. And it's one of my favorites. Guys, shout out to Beam Dream over at Shop B A m dot com. I drink this every single night. It is amazing and delicious and I absolutely love it. Helps me sleep. It's got melatonin. It's got all the good stuff. Let me read, read a little bit for you. We're constantly pulled in 100 directions. Between news, politics, work, and family, sleep is the first thing to suffer. Trust me, I felt it every day. And I got to be honest, I didn't even realize my sleep was not as good as it could have been. That's what was really crazy to me as I was like, I don't know, I think I'm fine. Right? I started drinking this every night. After like two or three days of, of having a glass before bed, I started to wake up, like jumping up full strength. Crazy. My watch right now has been an 82% readiness. That's, that's wild. Anyway, so what I appreciate the most is it's not a quick fix. It's got magnesium, L theanine, it's got other natural ingredients. Got melatonin, just 15 calories, no added sugar. It tastes really good, by the way. So if you're struggling with sleep or just want to wake up feeling better, Beam Dream. It's made a big difference for me. And right now they got a discount code up to 40% off. When you use promo code Tim Pool or use the link in the description below. Check out shop b e a m.com timpool and I legit mean it like beam. I love you guys. Holy crap. Not only is it helping me sleep, but it's just a delicious cup of hot cocoa before bed, which is. And you don't need an excuse for. But I got one, so I'll take it. This stuff's amazing. Let's try and grab as many of your chats and rants as we can. I apologize. Apologize for going long today, but you see me go off on those rants. Kett says evidence the Bible is true. In Genesis, chapter 1:4, God made male and female, and the enemy spurred division and murder. Today, evil is trying to destroy male and female and encourages murder. Same mo, Same enemy. You know, I'll tell you this. There are a lot of things. There are a lot of things that I. That I'm seeing. It's. I don't know. Demons, man. I made that video. It's time to bring back exorcisms. I think demons are real. You guys should check it out on the Tim Pool Channel on Rumble and YouTube. Shina Wilder says the ABC News clip just goes to show that MSM will stop at nothing to control the narrative. It's sickening. Hi, Adam. Can't wait to get the book and read it from a lectern. Like a patriotic boss. Adam wasn't actually set to come today. It was next month. I thought something like that would happen. We've had something like that happen before, but we caught it in time because if someone says something like, so basically what happened was. And I'm. And I. I'm not on the emails, but I guess he emailed about October 16th, then our team responded. And then like, two emails later, he, like, they say, like, the 16th works, and they think the 16th is now referring the 7th to September because they missed October. And he thinks it's October. And then we screw up. All right. Shane H. Wilder says, dang, I'll have to buy Tate's book instead. Standing Tall. The Tate Brown story, indeed.

[D]

I don't know if I'm literate enough to write a book, but I'll try.

[B]

Deplorable S says, don't be naive. Tim cast was also spied on during Arctic Frost, I bet. Which is probably how they did all that tenant garbage.

[G]

Oh, man. You think they have stuff on. You think they could access the. The before show video, too? Oh, you're poking around.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh, no. They might publish. Literally, me speaking without a script. Exactly how I feel to everybody. I record five hours a day. I literally say, like, there's nothing left for me to say outside of everything I already say, other than, like, you know, I really don't like. But, you know, I'm like, when the cameras are off, I'm like that. Alex Stein. Oh, I get. I'm kidding. Taking our guests. I was on the phone with Alex early before the show. Take it. Our kiss. Bueno Malio says. Phil. No one expected a political commentator to be assassinated in public either. I think Trump's replay to the question was very concerning. Yeah, that's what's big for me, I think. It's not like when you mentioned Trump, like, Trump's a politician. He's someone that people view as. No longer as, like, this social media guy or like a guy that was on tv. Like, they view him.

[C]

It's like, this is like a normal.

[B]

Person who is engaged in politics outside of being in politics. I think that's what changes for me. That's what changes the whole thing for everybody. Yeah, that's different. Well, there's a lot. It's a lot of compounding factors. Definitely his wife and children watched. Totally. Yeah. I. I do think for most people, because I've asked a lot of people about it, and I think what made them cry was the gruesome nature of his killing.

[D]

Cerno said we're, like, in PTSD still, because everyone saw the video, and you're not supposed to see those things as a human.

[B]

Yeah, man. I've told the story numerous times about a car accident I saw, and the dude's legs were mutilated. And I have a feeling that I've never been given a word for literally. And I'm sure, like, combat vets and people who have, you know, EMTs and first responders and all that, and cops know that feeling, but it's. It's so rare in our society. I don't know. There's a word for it. Horror. Yeah, that's not. That's not the word. Yeah. Not enough.

[D]

I saw, like, I saw a dead child in Africa, and second time I've ever felt that feeling was. Yeah, and I saw Charlie.

[B]

So it's like. I don't even know how to begin to describe it. It's. It's like feeling. I. I would describe it as feeling fear, anger, and sadness balled up, hyper concentrated in your chest at the exact same time.

[D]

Yep. Yeah.

[B]

And sadness.

[D]

Precisely.

[B]

I know. It's like we don't got a word for it.

[D]

The Germans probably do. They have wild words.

[C]

Seven German words smashed together.

[B]

Ahmed Armada says the messages released are only the ones that are relevant to Establishing probable cause. The county attorney is not going to release two full days of messages when most are irrelevant. The case. Agreed. That's why transposition seems to make most sense. That and the ellipses as well. Because I'm sure there was stuff in there like, hey, take my burrito out of the freezer if you can. I'm gonna put in the fridge for me. Like, nobody needs to hear that. Nobody cares. All right, let's see what we got. We'll grab some more chats. We got a few minutes. I see people are commenting here. What is this? 1 kg gaming says. 1 thing I've realized is when the next 10 to 15 years, the same people who think the political violence is okay will be able to run for the presidency. Our youth are watching the video in schools and some teachers are encouraging it. I wish I had answers or ideas to help. I don't. It's sad. This is the idea that I've tried to convey quite a bit. In 2018, I was in a group chat with a lot of D.C. politicos talking about the stuff and they said I was crazy because the US government would never allow a civil war. And I said, you don't understand. The issues that we're seeing will become the highest levels of government. And that's what's happening these 20 year old, like it's seven years ago when I'm in my late 20s in this gamer gaze. 12, 12 years ago, I'm 27 and that gamergate is starting or whatever. I'm in my 20s, I'm not running for office. I'm not involved, deeply entrenched in the stuff. I'm on the ground filming stuff in various countries doing whatever. The people who are involved in that culture war become hyper polarized, but they're not in positions of power. Fifteen years later, AOC is in Congress. Not even 15, 10 years later. And now you have one of these partisans in government and there's rumors she'll run for the Senate. There's rumors she might run for president. And you have many of these prominent liberals who 10, 15 years, 15 years ago were just goofy liberals arguing on the Internet. One of them is going to become president and they believe and it's going to be one of those people who are like, imagine what would happen if like Nick Fuentes was president, right? And I'm not saying, I'm just saying his position with the authority of government. There are a lot of, a lot of things that he doesn't want that he would advocate for removal of and they're, they're more, they're further right than the average person in this country, the left. Similarly, imagine if AOC was president. She's going to advocate for things that middle regular people don't want. The hyperpolarization is apparent and sooner or later one of these people is going to be president. Here's a question for you guys. Here's a question for a lot the election is AOC versus Fuentes, who you vote for.

[G]

Oy. Now that we don't have Charlie Kirk.

[B]

They'Re both anti Israel.

[G]

Now that we don't have Charlie Kirk to beat out Fuentes in the 2048 Republican primary. If it's between Fuentes and AOC.

[B]

How old is Nick?

[G]

Let's map out this week's amazing destinations and travel tips.

[H]

Honestly Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new family freedom offer.

[G]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

[H]

Well, I'm departing from AT&T and embarking on a new journey with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave us four new phones on the house.

[G]

Bon voyage.

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[G]

I think he's late 20s.

[C]

20S something like that.

[B]

Yeah, he still got a decade before he can run but let's just say it's you know, 10, 10, 15 years or whatever. And Nick Fuentes, what do you, what do you guys think? Who you voting for?

[G]

Can I go back to my like abstaining as a journalist response? Like as a journalist, like I like to not participate.

[B]

I believe I'll vote for a third party candidate. Go ahead, waste your vote.

[G]

What are we getting as the libertarian candidate Dave Smith?

[D]

I mean there is something anti Israel.

[G]

Version of every party.

[D]

There is something to be said is like with the competition opposition of zoomers you're going to get if not those names by proxy you will get those two ideological.

[C]

I don't think I'll ever get a libertarian.

[D]

Oh no, no.

[C]

Not Gonna get a Dave Smith.

[D]

No, no, but I'm saying Fuentes aoc.

[B]

I mean, griper or leftist.

[D]

Even if it's not. And even it's not groiper, it's going to be in that neighborhood for sure. I mean, yeah, look at. If you look at Instagram reels, the.

[B]

Gen. Oh, I know, it's hilarious. Yeah. It's like Gen Z is just spam blasting Fuentes. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So I'm like, even if it's not like a, you know, Catholic, you know, trad cath or whatever, it's going to be like on that degree of right wing.

[B]

It was funny. There was one of these reels and it was me talking about a Fuentes reel. And it. And it was like the funniest framing ever. It was like Tim Pool, who hates in all caps Nick and refuses to debate him, even admits that Fuentes videos are going viral. Take a look at this clip or whatever. And I was like, like, I don't hate the guy. What? I don't refuse to debate, like, what? It's just so weird how they frame these things.

[G]

Wait, so same question, back to you. A or C or Nick Fuentes, who you're picking?

[B]

Nick? Yeah. It's not even a hard question, but I'll explain because I'm just hoping the left grabs that and. And they say, yeah, because AOC is psychotic. She's a liar, she's a grifter. And I never said either was good, but like an AOC presidency. Yeah, not interested.

[C]

You say goodbye to property rights.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. An overt commie.

[C]

Say goodbye to property rights. And as soon as you have. If you don't have property rights, you don't have an economy. Your economy falls apart, people don't invest.

[B]

Not to mention, I think it's fair to say that while Nick has said things that are quite. Quite offensive and controversial, they've lied about the guy quite a bit, too. Yeah, yeah. And so my view largely is neither would be my first, fifth, or even tenth choice. But that's why I asked the question, because it's funny to ask if he.

[C]

Wasn'T so conspiratorial about Israel. Like, Israel's got a lot of influence and stuff, but if it wasn't like, everything's the Jews, he'd be like, I could be like, well, you know, he's got. He's got good points on some stuff.

[B]

But no, if we got it, we got to go. We got to go to the uncensored portion of the show where we'll continue this conversation which should get interesting. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Subscribe. Follow me on X and Instagram. More importantly, a new channel on YouTube and rumble. It's Tim Poole. I put up a video today commenting on the idea that the assassination of Kirk will lead to a civil war, which I argued. I don't think we are in one, But Moon on YouTube, that's the channel name. Made a really great mini doc breaking down where we currently are as a surface level. So I also have a video that's popping off. It's called Hyped now on YouTube. You to put a hyped tag on it and it's titled it's time to bring back exorcisms. And that's at Tim Pool. Check it out. Rumble.com Timcast IRL in a little bit. You want to shout anything out, Tate?

[D]

Yeah, I feel like I've now completed the gauntlet. I've sat in every chair at this table for a show, so I've completed the gauntlet.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You can follow me on X and Instagram.

[B]

I've never done that.

[D]

There we go.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

X and Instagram. Real Tate Brown. Follow me there. Yeah. Never surrender Speed Running every position in the company.

[G]

Just a few months into your I'm.

[D]

On my Marco Rubio arc.

[G]

That's a good one. A lot. Eliyahu on all platforms. White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, Phil.

[C]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can follow the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[B]

We will see you [e-mail] timcast irl right now we're switching over. We'll see you there. It's gonna be fun. Sa.