Dr. Fauci FACING PRISON Over REFUSING To Testify Before Congress w/ Larry Ward

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Episode: Dr. Fauci FACING PRISON Over REFUSING To Testify Before Congress w/ Larry Ward

Date: July 30, 2026 | Guest: Larry Ward
Main Theme:
A breakdown of the story surrounding Dr. Anthony Fauci’s refusal to testify before Congress, his repeated invocation of the Fifth Amendment despite being granted immunity, the political, legal, and cultural ramifications, and a wide-ranging discussion that connects this controversy to current events, political accountability, technology, societal changes and the looming impact of AI on society.

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Episode Overview

The discussion centers on Dr. Anthony Fauci invoking the Fifth Amendment 115 times during a congressional hearing, despite blanket immunity via a Biden pardon. The panel, including Larry Ward, explores the legal oddity of using the Fifth when immune from prosecution, the implications for government accountability, the role of public opinion, and how broader social, technological, and political context colors the debate. The episode then ranges into related topics such as media narratives, nostalgia, the effects of AI, the transformation of American society, and the future of work and community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dr. Fauci Invokes the Fifth: Legal Contradiction and Political Fallout

• [00:01] Tim Pool details Fauci invoking the Fifth 115 times during congressional hearings—even on simple questions like the date—despite being unable to self-incriminate due to 11 years of immunity granted by President Biden.
• Quote (Tim Pool, 00:55):
  “The real reason that Dr. Fauci invoked the Fifth was to prevent himself from committing an active crime, which would be perjury...the implication there is that Fauci was going to lie no matter what he was asked.”
• Rand Paul’s Reaction:
  Rand Paul seeks to bypass usual procedures and refer Fauci straight to the DOJ for contempt charges, contending that Fauci is compelled to testify and has no Fifth Amendment right when granted immunity.
• Quote (Larry Ward, 13:16):
  “He had no choice but to break the law. He broke the law 115 times today by pleading the Fifth.”

2. Evidence and Accusations: The COVID Origin and Vaccine Side Effects

• Released Documents:
  New diaries and emails suggest Fauci may have known about the true origins of COVID-19 much earlier than he admitted to the public, and that he may have actively misled lawmakers and the public about this and other topics.
• Side Effects Debate:
  Mention of studies suggesting elevated risks of myocarditis in young males from COVID vaccines (referencing Stanford and Nature), contrasting with previous official narratives.
• Political Manipulation Alleged:
  Discussion of Fauci’s shifting mask guidance and the perception that such flip-flopping was political rather than strictly medical.

3. Media Reaction & Cultural Schism

• [18:08] Clip of Harvey Levin (TMZ) expressing heartbreak over Fauci’s treatment, which the panel interprets as personal bias and symptom of media partisanship.
  • Quote (Harvey Levin, 18:12):
    “Watching Anthony Fauci before a congressional hearing, taking the Fifth Amendment is just one of the most heartbreaking things I have seen in government in my lifetime.”
  • Tim Pool responds:
    “Harvey of TMZ would use this platform without...For personal gain because he’s friends with Foushee. He is using his platform to defend his friend from accountability.”

4. Government Accountability, Immunity, and Public Opinion

• Can Fauci Really Be Prosecuted?
  • The show explores federal immunity, possible civil suits, and state or international prosecution. Some hosts speculate about the symbolic value of foreign governments seeking accountability for COVID deaths.
• Will Anything Happen?
  • The group is largely cynical; they doubt any concrete consequences will follow, citing a historical pattern of holding citizens accountable while elites evade justice.
• Quote (Phil Labonte, 28:16):
  “If you’re in a position of authority in the government, you basically get away with anything...Case in point, right?”

5. Surveillance, Social Nostalgia, and Societal Transformation

• Nostalgia for the 1990s:
  • Discussion of societal changes: loss of communal gathering spaces (malls, Blockbuster), a longing for less digital, more tangible eras.
  • AI-generated videos and content now create simulacra of nostalgia, which sparks further debate about technological change driving atomization and social decay.
• Quote (Tim Pool, 45:04): “For most of human existence, a human being lived the exact same life as their grandparents...And then the past hundred years, every generation has been so dramatically different. We long for a life that does not exist anymore.”

6. AI, Automation, and the Future of Work and Meaning

• Transformation of Labor and Society:
  • Concern about mass unemployment and social unrest as AI and robotics exponentially accelerate automation.
  • Reference to welfare systems, UBI (Universal Basic Income), and speculation about the loss of purpose and dignity found in work.
  • Quotes and analogies (e.g., “paperclip maximizer” and “grey goo apocalypse”) warn about the unchecked, unintended consequences of synthetic entities making decisions outside of human control.
• Moral and Regulatory Questions:
  • Larry Ward advocates for an “AI Constitution”—guardrails to ensure AI serves humanity, not the reverse.
    • Quote (Larry Ward, 81:31): “AI is not a technology. It’s a synthetic entity. And I say that because there’s never been a technology that could think, act autonomously. It’s different. We have to look at it as a synthetic entity invasion.”
• Dystopian Future or Human Optimism?:
  • Discussion veers into whether tech will erode all traditional community and agency, or whether humans will adapt—perhaps by rekindling family/faith bonds, farming, or localism to compensate.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fauci's Legal Dilemma:
  “His choices were to lie and destroy his legacy...or lie and go to prison.” (Tim Pool, 01:31)
• Comparisons to Historic Atrocities:
  “You gotta put responsibility at the foot of those that did it. So is Herman Goering... just following orders?” (Ian Crossland, 09:56)
• AI & The Future:
  “We’re building AI where we’re going to be in service of it.” (Larry Ward, 81:48)
• On the Transformation of American Life:
  “If you want to raise your children in the world you grew up in, I’m sorry to tell you, it is gone.” (Tim Pool, 38:51)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:01 – 03:18: Introduction to Fauci’s Fifth Amendment invocation and Biden’s blanket pardon
• 04:28 – 06:53: Discussion of Rand Paul’s strategy, evidence, and vaccine revelations
• 13:11 – 14:46: Legal analysis of Fifth Amendment, immunity, and contempt (Ward’s explanation)
• 18:08 – 21:50: Harvey Levin’s reaction and Tim’s breakdown (media, bias, legacy)
• 28:16 – 31:13: Public perception of justice; demise of accountability
• 40:07 – 43:47: Food security, nostalgia, and societal transition
• 50:02 – 56:55: AI, escapism, the loss of shared experience, and psychological implications
• 81:31 – 82:01: Defining AI as a synthetic entity (Ward)
• 92:57 – 101:29: Debate over the sentience and “will” of AI; synthetic entity concept
• 108:16 – 110:53: Audience Q&A; symbolism of societal change and the loss of the communal past

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Broader Topics & Connected Threads

• Weaponization of Government:
  • Panel critiques selective enforcement and lack of accountability for elites vs. aggressive prosecution of citizens.
  • Comparison with celebrity/media narratives and ideological “cult” behaviour.
• Socioeconomic/Technological Transformation:
  • Malls, work, and play giving way to digital atomization, AI-driven content, delivery culture, and algorithmic siloing.
  • Existential questions about the meaning of work and the future of human agency.
• Moral, Legal, and Civilizational Risk:
  • Warnings about the pace of technology outstripping public debate or regulation.
  • Speculation about how families, faith, or localism could become counterweights to digital excess.
• Humor & Pop Culture Callbacks:
  • Episodes peppered with dark humor, pop culture references (e.g., The Matrix, Transformers), and generational commentary.

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Conclusion

This episode is a sweeping, uncensored deep dive into the convergence of legal-political crisis, media culture, and epochal changes in technology and society. Using Dr. Fauci’s unprecedented use of the Fifth Amendment as a springboard, Tim Pool and his panel peel back layers of institutional trust, the vanishing American experience, and the looming challenge of AI. Blending legal analysis, jaded political observation, nostalgia, optimism and technophobia, the discussion is frank, provocative, and often darkly comic—a time capsule of a society at a crossroads.

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Further Discussion (Aftershow on Rumble):
The conversation continues into viewer Q&A and more exploration of the AI themes, future social dynamics, and irreverent tangents.
Panel on X (Twitter):

• Tim Pool: @Timcast
• Larry Ward: @LarryWard
• Ian Crossland: @IanCrossland
• Phil Labonte: @PhilThatRemains
• Carter Banks: @CarterBanks

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For an even deeper dive, the panel’s aftershow is hosted exclusively on Rumble.

Transcript

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Doctor Anthony Fauci pleaded the Fifth. He invoked the Fifth Amendment, I believe, 115 times in the congressional hearings today. He didn't answer a single question, even when he was. When he was asked, what day is it? He said that he was taking the advice of counsel to invoke his Fifth Amendment right not to testify. Now, here's why it's interesting. Dr. Anthony Fauci has blanket immunity over the past 11 years granted by a pardon, which typically means you cannot invoke the Fifth. Why? You can't incriminate yourself. You've already got immunity. Typically when someone is granted immunity, you are compelled to testify. Now, the real reason that Dr. Fauci invoked the fifth was to prevent future crimes or literally at that moment, to prevent himself from committing an active crime, which would be perjury. The only issue is the implication there is that Fauci was going to lie no matter what he was asked. This is the problem. Now, Rand Paul has said he is going to go straight to contempt charges, bypassing Congress because Foushee was compelled to testify and does not have a Fifth Amendment right in this capacity. Natural gets real funny. That guy over at TMZ basically started crying because Anthony Fauci was facing a congressional hearing. That's it. Listen, this dude Harvey, what's his face from TMZ was like. It's just so sad that he has to invoke the Fifth. He doesn't. He could literally just tell the truth. He has immunity. I'm going to stress again. Biden pardoned Foushee spanning 11 years. Foushee can't go to jail for anything he would say unless he lied. Here's the fun part. Because of documents that have since been released, including private emails as well as Fauci's diary, he'd have to admit to a lot of really evil things, like knowing the origin of COVID in January of 2020 and then lying to the public about it. He could just admit it. That's right. His choices were to lie and destroy his legacy. People like Harvey cry for him or I'm sorry, tell the truth, which would destroy his legacy or lie and go to prison. So we're going to talk about that. Plus a bunch of other big news. Donald Trump is. He's getting everybody all angry because he posted. He screenshotted something that I screenshotted where it looks like Amy Coney Barrett's political opinions shifted after the Dobbs decision, facing death threats and the like. So we'll talk about that and a whole lot more before we get started, my friends, make sure you go to cast brew.com pick up some delicious Cast brew coffee. It's been a minute but you got to buy our amazing coffee. You also have pooled water. If you ever wanted to drink pool water, something is wrong with you. But we have pool brand water which is artesian water straight from our area in Virginia. It's delicious, it is clean. It's not actually from a swimming pool and I recommend you buy it. But we also got cold brew the Caspar vault black as well as everybody's favorite Appalachian nights rise with Roberto Jr. You need coffee. Coffee is delicious. Pick it up@cast brew.com and join [e-mail] to support the work that we do. We can't do this without you. So be the change you you want to see in the world and sign [e-mail] don't forget to smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you have ever met in your life. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we've got Larry Ward.

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Thanks for having me.

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Who are you?

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What do you do?

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Larry Ward. I'm the chairman of Constitutional Rice pack, President of Market Rhythm Inc. We deliver your emails.

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Ah, well, wonderful. It'll be great to talk to you about everything that's going on. So thanks for joining us. We got Ian hanging out Migo to be here.

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Buddy. Phil.

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What's up everybody? I'm Phil. Asking for all that remains. What's up Carter?

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What's up everyone? We got new chairs. They're very comfortable so I'm looking forward to seeing.

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Look at these armrests.

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Yeah, big.

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No, no, no, no. Dis to the other company or anything like that. They lasted us a very long time

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and they were wonderful.

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But we got these ones cuz we needed new ones and they got. They got really nice armrests.

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Doing a show every night wears out the chairs.

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Yeah, they were falling apart. It was. You know what was really crazy about those chairs is my, my right arm was worn down, but the seat itself was totally fine. And then all the other seats were worn down, which is just like. It's weird because I sit in mine more than literally anybody else.

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That's true.

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You have a pillow? Do you use a pillow when you sit?

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The front edges are frayed on all the chairs except this one.

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Too many fidgeters.

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I don't think I ever had the front edges on.

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I wonder if they swapped in a fresh one at some point for they did not. Floating around the.

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The bolts were popping Out. The arm was disintegrating. The cushioning was gone. Let's get into the news. Stop talking about chairs.

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Here we go.

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From the Washington Post. Rand Paul threatens to hold Fauci in contempt after he declines to answer questions. Actually, it's a. It's a little bit more than that. We've got this. Nick Sorter tweeted it. Senator Rand Paul says he's working on a plan to bypass Senate Democrats going directly to the DOJ to lock him up. I myself have individually referred him in the past for prosecution. I sent two letters saying that he

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destroyed records and he lied to Congress, both felonies.

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I sent that to the Biden doj. It wasn't acted upon.

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I've also sent it to the Trump DOJ twice.

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I've sent information and evidence saying it did so. So I think there's a possibility that we don't go to this whole Senate floor, but that the committee passes it

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and we go directly to the Department of Justice.

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I myself would be very interesting. Now, I'm going to make a bold prediction here, a bold prediction. Nothing will happen. We've got this. This is from Congress.gov this is entered into the Congressional Record. And the an article from Newsweek. Foushee was untruthful to Congress about Wuhan lab research. And new documents appear to show. Yeah, we actually know for a fact now, especially with the released diary pages or whatever there's that. Whatever is, they're releasing that Foushee knew full well that this originated from a lab, did not come from a wet market. Yet for a year and a half to two years or more, he was consistently saying it was from the wet market. Foushee knew full well. Now this is crazy. RFK Jr has accused him of actually getting a vaccine side effect, a pulmonary infarction, which is a blood clot in the lung, and then lying about it. I'm going to go ahead and stress this while we're here. And the reason why I believe that Dr. Fauci needs to go to prison is not just based on contempt charges, but based on a couple of articles that we can now bring up in sight because YouTube is. Is a bunch of psychopaths that would censor us. But I'll do my best by saying censor me for showing Stanford Edu you censorious psychopaths. Stanford published that the vaccine was causing myocarditis at extremely high rates. This is a common side effect, they say for reasons that aren't clear. Incidence peaks among male Vaccinees age 13 or below at 1 in 16,750 vaccine. This is common. 1 in 16,000, say. Common side effect. When they gave out hundreds of millions, what do they give out? Tens of millions. How many of these things they give out? A billion or more.

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Yeah, I think. I mean, and that's just, like, one shot. I think they gave multiple rounds to multiple people.

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Here's my favorite. This is from nature.com, a peer reviewed, published article that says if the MRNA vaccine got into your liver, if it left the injection site, which it did, it would make you more susceptible to getting Covid. Dr. Fauci lied about everything. He claimed he wasn't behind lockdowns. Well, behind the scenes, he was advocating for lockdowns. This guy is a lunatic. You know, it's really crazy. Did you guys hear this? He apparently wrote in his diary that I think Barbra Streisand had, like, ass sores. Oh, you see that?

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No, no. I got another context, though.

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And they were like, yo, like, why? She. She called him because she needed medical advice on her shingles. And he apparently wrote down in his diary, which was like, a public record that she had. She had sores on her ass.

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Okay, I'm. Yeah.

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Every day I find out new information that I never, ever wanted.

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That's the Stran effect.

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Oh.

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Sometimes you just want to bury that.

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But, like.

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Yeah, it was on the five. What is this? I want to. I want. I want to pull this up. Fouchy diary. Streisand's butt Privacy scandal is funny. Did you know Barbra Streisand? Okay, I'm just gonna play this. Wait, where did.

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Where did it go?

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Oh, did they get rid of it?

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No.

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Come on.

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Come on.

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What is this, the 5 FNC? Okay, this is the official channel. Let's play it. Details on a government server thought to include intimate medical details on a government server. She had sores on her butt. And he includes that. Because you know what? It's gonna be great for the book. What happened to doctor patient confidentiality? This is a thing where fame and status had him sacrifice the average citizen, or in this case, Barbra Streisand. But you know what? I'm sure she didn't want that out there now. It's out there now. There you go. Keep praising Anthony Fauci. We all love the guy. He was a psychotic fame whore who's made millions of dollars lying to the American public. He was going out and saying whatever. My favorite thing is that he gets. First of all, Foushee's first position was you don't need to be wearing a mask. And the reason he did this was because he said he wanted to make sure doctors got masks before you did because they need it more than you do. So he admits initially to lying about mask requirements. Then later he flip flops and says, you need to go wear masks. At one point, I think it's like 20, 22 randomly he's asked, if a mask is going to protect you, then wouldn't two masks protect you as well? And he literally says, well, you don't need to be wearing two masks. But then wackaloon cultists pick up the story and start saying two masks offers double the protection. And then like a day later, Fouch's like, yeah, okay, wear two masks. And then all of a sudden, people wearing two masks, it's a cult. And these people are developmentally disabled. And lord have mercy, they vote.

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Sort of. What this highlights is, okay, Fauci, either he's a doctor and his duty is to the medical industry, his patients, and doing no harm, or he's a government employee directed to oversee a weapons program. And I think there was this like, Mick, people think he's a doctor, but he's like a government lackey. He's basically doing, he was doing their bidding. So at this point it's like, so is Herman Goring, you know, when he led the Luftwaffe, Hitler's air force, but like they still executed Herman Goring, even though he was just following orders. Like at some point up the chain, you gotta, you gotta put responsibility at the foot of that. Those that did it. And I mean, I don't know, gotta be.

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You gotta be specific. And he was the, he was the oburba shabber of the Luftwaffe.

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Oh, he was. It's. That's what I meant to say.

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Ober. Beth Falls shaver.

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He was a national hero until they lost the war, and then he was a war criminal. So like it's all, you know, how they, how do you perceive these guys?

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I do wonder what the. You know, the guy in charge of Luftwaffe was charged with how they got

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him at the, at the Nuremberg trial.

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Yeah, I just figured it out.

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Ober means over Bethel Shaber. I don't know what that means.

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Find out.

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Commander. It means over commander upper command. Hey, we're learning German here on Tim Cast irl.

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Let's go.

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You know what schmetterling means? No, but Butterfly.

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Oh, look at that. And isn't like hashen rabbit.

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I don't know. I just know Butterfly, so this is hilarious.

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I know. Schnell. Is faster.

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At the Nuremberg trials, they nailed Herman Goring with conspiracy, crimes against peace, war crimes, crimes against humanity. They went all out on that guy. He was like the poster child of, like, getting back at the Nazis.

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Like, it's like, I get why they were, you know, going after, like, the dudes in the SS and the people that were working the camps.

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But.

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But I'm. I'm not. I'm not clear on what it was. I don't know all of the German bombing campaigns either. So it's not like I'm saying that he couldn't have done things that were, you know, deserving of. But I don't know. What with the guy that was in charge of the air force.

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There were so many people involved, they had to go after a select few.

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They didn't go after Rommel, though.

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Who?

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Rommel.

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He died.

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Irwin R. Did he die before the end of the war? I think so. He was the German tank commander guy that was, I don't know, such a.

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Let's just say commander or something. We'll go with Kaninchin. Sorry, I don't know German. It means rabbit.

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Oh, there we go.

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Herman Goring, though, was.

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I don't speak German.

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He was involved with the ss. Goring was involved.

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Okay.

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And overseeing the camps and stuff.

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So anyway, back to Fauci.

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Yeah. So I'm not saying Fauci's Herman Goring status war criminal.

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But look, to be honest with you, Fauci, if all of the accusations are correct and all of the. The evidence is. Is legitimate, he's responsible for a lot more deaths than.

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Yeah, I was thinking so many.

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Rommel was.

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What Rand did today is kind of awesome because he put Foushee in a. In a no win position. You know, you bring him in, you got to make him testify. He's got three choices. He could plead the fifth, which he didn't have the right to do. So like Tim just said, he could have lied and perjured himself, or he could have told the truth and completely destroyed his. His. His entire reputation.

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Well, not. Not just his, but the Democratic party, all of the corporate press, the government

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deep state, all Emzi. All of it. So he had no choice but to break the law. He broke the law 115 times today by pleading the fifth.

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Yeah. So. So you don't have. Ian, this is for you. You don't have the right to invoke the fifth when you're already immune.

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Right.

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There is no self incrimination when you are immune from prosecution.

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The idea is, if he was Completely honest. They couldn't charge him with anything he said. And he. But realistically, the court of public opinion would have taken over at that point.

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Well, I mean, it would be politically damaging, and he'd probably. Someone would probably slip in polonium if he went for the Democratic party by actually exposing their secrets.

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I want to. I would love to. Go ahead.

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I'm gonna say in criminal proceedings, there might be two guys, A lesser criminal and a greater criminal. Like, there's like, a ringleader of a, you know, criminal organization. Then there's like, an underling. They go to the underling and say, we will. We will cut you a deal if you testify against your boss. And he goes, nope, I won't do it. And they say, okay, we've granted you immunity. Now, you have no fifth amendment rights. You have to testify against everything. You can't go to prison. And so you're compelled to testify. You have to. And if you lie, you can go to jail so you can be ordered to testify. And if you don't, they can hold you in contempt, which is exactly what's happening right now. Rand Paul is immune from prosecution based on anything he would have done for the past 11 years. Like, Foushee could have walked up and just punted your dachshund like, off a bridge, and he's pardoned from that. If evidence came out that he did that, just going around kicking dogs. However, if he purged himself today, those are new crimes.

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There are people that say that. We're saying on X that he's. That he's immune from federal prosecution. But does that include state prosecution?

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What about foreign prosecution?

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That is one. One idea that I was talking about and I'm interested in. I would love to. I would love to see Bukele, you know, try to extradite him and have the administration send him on down to El Salvador. Any country that had people die of COVID If he. You know, again, if the. If the allegations are true and he had a hand in creating it and covering it up and stuff. Any country that had him. That had a. Had any of their citizens die or, you know, a bunch of their citizens die, you would think they have a legitimate right to say, look, he's responsible for these deaths. We want to try him. So any country out there, any leaders that are watching Tim Cast. You hear me? Poland, El Salvador, anybody. You know, go ahead and let's. Yeah, I mean, whoever.

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Whoever.

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El Salvador works.

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I mean, maybe Saudi Arabia, they're. They're pretty harsh in their punishments. You know, you never Know, though, if

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you, if you let the snake out of the box, the snake might disappear into the grass, so.

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Not if he goes to El Salvador.

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No. Yeah, not if you. Not if you put him in chains, put him on a plane and take him straight to sea.

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No, it would be. It would be an extradition. Meaning if El Salvador charged him, then the US could just be like, okay, like we're going to honor an extradition treaty or whatever. The issue is, what did Fauci do that could be. He could be criminally charged in a foreign country. I suppose the argument it's. It's. He provided funding to EcoHealth alliance through the NIH, which was used for gain of function research. I don't think you're really going to get any international criminal charges. As for the US Knowingly lying to the American people, I mean, you probably have 7,000 criminal statute violations based on the things that he was doing, going on TV and lying to the American public, especially in a time of crisis.

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I think this has now become a battle of public opinion because like you mentioned earlier, Harvey from Harvey Levine, I think is his name, Harvey Levin from TMZ is speaking very highly of Fauci, almost coming out to defend him. And Oya is literally defending his.

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His per.

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His.

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His work history and his. His person. So I think if the public really wants Fauci imprisoned, he'll go to prison. But if they don't, if the masses.

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The public really wants the save act passed, and that ain't happening.

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What's that, everybody?

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The public really wants to Save America act passed, and that ain't happening. Just because the public wants something doesn't mean the public gets it.

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Well, you know, I haven't spoken to anybody that. That was pro Fauci in at least a year and a half. You know, people weren't like, hey, the government really handled Covid well. Most people came. You know, even, even the people who were pro Foushee, you know, for the most part were coming back and say, well, you know, the vaccine really didn't work. And you know, that like you said, it did. It was, it was. It was effect safe and effective, and it wasn't safe enough. All of that nonsense. People finally woke up. But today of all, I got attacked on social media by, I think they were Fauci bots. They came out of the woodwork attacking me because I just questioned, you know, Foushee's fifth Amendment.

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I got a question.

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We're going to jump to the story real quick. Hold that question for this. We Got this video from tmz. Harvey Levin nearly crying because Foushee is facing a morsel of accountability. Check this clip out.

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I have not used TMZ's YouTube channel to vent personal feelings about issues, but I'm going to do that today. Watching Anthony Fauci before a congressional hearing, taking the Fifth Amendment is just one of the most heartbreaking things I have seen in government in my lifetime. And this is. Is something we need to reckon with. That I'm going to say up front. I have problems. The way the CDC handled Covid. I think that they did damage.

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I just got. I just got to pause real quick. Foushee did not run the cdc. He had nothing to do with the cdc. He was running the NIAID through the nih. What is this guy talking about? This guy Harvey is all upset that Fauci has to plead the Fifth because he's scared of breaking the law. He's immune from prosecution for everything he did over the past 11 years. The only concern is, will he lie now? That's it. But, bro. Harvey, did you not know this? Did you think Fauci ran the CDC

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to children, to adults? And I don't think they did it maliciously. I think they did it because they were using their judgment and were overprotective.

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Great. Well, you clearly did not read any of the information that has since come out, including that Foushee lied to Congress several years ago. I just. I just find this. That. That Harvey of TMZ would use this platform without. For. For personal gain because he's friends with Foushee. He goes on to explain how he's friends with Foushee. He is using his platform to defend his friend from accountability from the American people. And it is. It is.

[F]

It is atrocious, and I think at times overstated things. Things they said they knew but really didn't. And I have personal problems with the way that Covid was handled. That said, Anthony Fauci, over a period of decades, has been an amazing public servant. In the 80s, I had many friends who died of AIDS, a horrible, painful death. And I had friends who lived because of Anthony Fauci, because he was willing

[C]

to look at this dude.

[A]

75 years old.

[D]

What?

[C]

You look great, Harvey.

[A]

I. I gotta say, Harvey, I'm impressed. I thought he was, like, 53. When he said he had friends in the 80s. I was like, BS dude. This guy's, like, in his 50s. He was 10 years. 10 years old.

[C]

A lot of evidence that it was the AZT.

[A]

75 years, experimental. Holy crap.

[F]

They used to treat AIDS in a different way than they had looked at them before.

[D]

And totally juicing.

[F]

That really results in lives saved. And he has done so many other things in his career, bro.

[A]

There's. There's no way.

[C]

I don't believe that.

[F]

But epidemics to.

[A]

Anyway, you get the point. He had personal. His. His friends personally benefited. He. He's personally friends. It's that. Well, okay, I want to be careful how I describe this, but it sounds like this is very personal for him. And he very much likes Fauci and he's using his platform to defend a man who committed crimes, many crimes, because it benefits him. But I just want to say, holy crap, the dude is 75. I. Criticisms aside, brother.

[B]

What.

[A]

What's going on here?

[C]

Get in here.

[A]

Did he find the. The fountain of youth or El Dorado?

[C]

What he loves. I think he got on the count.

[A]

No, I legit thought he was 53.

[E]

It's test.

[C]

He loves test.

[D]

Actually, he's on juice.

[C]

Reason I brought up earlier, Herman Goring, because they would have called him a public servant that was. Just did great things for 20 years as well. If the Nazis had remained so, you know, one man's treasure is another man's coming to eat his soul.

[A]

You know, I'm sorry, I'm just. This guy is only a few years younger than. Than Biden. That dude looks like he could juggle Joe Biden and Trump.

[C]

He sounds like it too.

[A]

That's.

[C]

I got a question about miraculous. I think what Fauci was doing was serving the government to oversee a secret weapons program, and then it got leaked. But so if the. If the guys working on the. The Manhattan Project, Oppenheimer and stuff, if they were saying like, no, we're not doing any weapons research, and then there was a leak and a nuclear catastrophe and killed 10,000Americans, would we have executed Oppenheimer? I don't think. I don't know.

[D]

Would we have maybe if he kept

[E]

diary, like, detailing that he was doing?

[D]

No, because.

[C]

Because if Fauci's Covid or this Covid thing was used in a. As a weapon in a war to defeat the opponent, we wouldn't. Yeah, but that's.

[A]

Covid doesn't have the capabilities to defeat an opponent in that way.

[D]

And the argument for building the nuclear bomb was that the Nazis were going to be beat the Americans to it. I mean, Einstein himself wrote a letter to the president and said, look, we figured out that this is possible. We think this is possible. And I used to live in Germany. The Nazis are Definitely working on this. We need to beat them to it. So if there was an accident that killed a lot of people, it would have been justified under the program itself would have been justified under the assumption that the Nazis are working on this. Remember, the Nazis had great. Had the most advanced rocket technology. They were the first people to actually shoot rockets. Operation Paperclip brought a lot of the. The rocket. The scientists from Nazi Germany over to the U.S. to work on the U.S. rocket program. It was World War II. So it was a significantly different thing from just, let's see if we can do this, which is what they were doing in with the COVID vaccine. If, if they. If all the stories are correct, they were experimenting just to see if they could do it. There was no actual justification of we have to beat someone else to this technology. So, no, there wouldn't have been a situation where they're like, oh, hey, you know, there was an accident and you were screwing around with things you shouldn't have been screwing around with. No, they were literally in a race with the Nazis, with the Germans to produce a nuclear bomb.

[B]

I know, I know. Everybody has landed on that. It was a lab leak. I've never believed that. I think that it was. It was intentionally released, and it was intentionally released because Hong Kong was. Was. The Hong Kong protests in China were. Were real. They were. They were starting to really upend the communist control. And they. They were, you know, out there singing worship songs, you know, in public, you know, something that China would never do. And then all of a sudden, China accidentally leaks this out of their lab. And of course, it also had the added benefit of hurting Donald Trump. Yes. Was Fauci funding it? 100%. Did Fauci go around the law in terms of you're not allowed to do gain of function anymore? And he went around the law and hadn't paid an international company through. Through the Eco Health Alliance. Yeah, he did. But I think China intentionally released.

[D]

Yeah, look, I don't have any kind of. I don't have any kind of opposition to that. I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I don't have any kind of strong feeling towards it at all. But it certainly doesn't sound like something I, you know, China wouldn't do. I mean, they. They oppress their own people. Why would they care about the rest of the world?

[C]

You know, those Hong Kong protests were nuts. I had a friend that went, donald

[D]

Trump, don't trust China. China is asshole.

[C]

They were like, 2019. It was that Hong Kong. It was a huge. It was Massive protests erupted. And they were like, the Chinese, I guess, were like shooting fire hoses filled with like, blue chemicals to stain and burn.

[E]

The.

[A]

That's a normal thing that everybody does.

[C]

And they were like, to mark their. Their protesters so they could find them later. I mean, it was vicious.

[A]

We do that in the United States.

[C]

I haven't seen. I haven't seen a lot of it in the US but it was the first I'd heard of.

[D]

It was, we should do more of water cannons during.

[C]

They would like deep burning chemicals in it. And they'd spray.

[A]

They just spray people with oleo raisin, oleorezin, capsaicin. We do that in United States.

[C]

Brutal.

[D]

We should do more of it. When it comes to protests, in my opinion.

[C]

What? Yeah, you protest tyranny.

[D]

I don't go out in the street and sit down in front of protesting tyranny.

[E]

Broke.

[D]

They're not protesting tyranny. They're protesting the deportation of illegals.

[C]

We might have to protest tyranny in the future.

[B]

You know, Harvey's crying about the weaponization of government. He wasn't crying about the weaponization of government during. When. When the federal. When Biden's federal government was arresting grandma and grandpa across the country because they. People were let into the Capitol building. You know, and, and, you know, the whole thing about There were. You remember they said they were armed protests on January 6th. You know, it's a lie. It was. No, there was. This is what they said. They were armed with flagpoles.

[D]

Well, yeah, but they walked in with flag poles.

[C]

There was one guy.

[A]

I think there was one or two guys who had guns. But to characterize the entirety of J6 is like an armed.

[D]

They say armed because they. What they want to do is to give the viewers or the, the person listening to the news report the impression that they had rifles or they had, you know, they had guns and they were attacking the Capitol with guns with the intent of trying to get in.

[B]

And so many people bought into that.

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[B]

People bought into that. But. But like I said, weaponization of government is. Is sending the government after the citizens. It's not holding government officials who broke the law accountable. Yeah, that's what we have to get back to. And, you know, I agree with. I don't think that there's anything is going to come of this. I know Rand Paul is going to push for it, and he's a hero for doing it. But. But quite frankly, you know, we have to start holding people, the officials at the highest level accountable.

[D]

I Mean, we've. One of the things we talk about on the show a lot is, like, the loss of trust in not just institutions, but specifically the government. Right. This is exactly why people feel, like, correctly feel like if you're in a position of authority in the government, you basically get away with anything. And case in point, right? Like, the average person that hears about this story, they're like, all right, well, yeah, of course he should get arrested. Well, you know, Biden already pardoned. What? Biden pardoned him? Yeah, from. For 11 years prior to the date of. Of, you know, Foushee. Of the actual pardon for 11 years. People hear that and they're like, of course he did something wrong. Of course he's. The Biden administration is covering for him. It's. It's so blatantly obvious to the average person if they pay, you know, even a little bit of attention to this stuff. And so now you get a population that's just like, what does it matter? What does it matter? They're not. They're going to do whatever they want. They thought when they were electing Trump that it was going to be a massive change. But Trump was very naive in his first administration. He wasn't prepared to be the president. You know, you've heard stories, everybody's heard stories about how, you know, when he found out that he was, that he won, he was like, I did what? You know, had no idea, didn't believe he was going to win. Everybody was predicting Hillary Clinton was going to win 99 chance or 98 chance, whatever they were saying. And so he was massively unprepared. He did learn a lot in the four years that he wasn't the president. And he came back and he's done some really significant things. But you need. It took 70 years, 80 years to build the bureaucracy that we have now. It's not gonna get like, it's unrealistic to think that one president's gonna come in and say, all right, we're gonna do all this stuff and fix everything in one four year term. It's gonna take consistent elections of people that actually intend to do things like Trump's done. It would take probably 10 presidents, you know, maybe, maybe six or seven, doing the same kind of things that Trump does to shrink the government, shrink the bureaucracy. I'm not particularly critical of Trump when it comes to the things that, that he has not been able to accomplish, and that's because a president cannot do the things that people expect. Congress has to do a lot of it.

[A]

Let's Be honest. Never at any point, anywhere, at any time has Donald Trump done something wrong.

[D]

Of course not.

[A]

He's perfect.

[C]

No, that's why he likes you, Tim, because you know him better than anyone.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I will say the one. The one thing I think wasn't really a mistake, but in hindsight, he might actually see it as a mistake. When he first got in office, like you said, he hired the wrong people. But what he did was he did what he always does in business. He found the best people in the field. And the problem is.

[D]

Well, not his first term.

[B]

The best people in politics. No. In the first time, the best people in politics are the worst people on the planet. And that's the problem. He hired the best politicians.

[A]

You mean the best people currently in

[C]

the Beltway, like, the most effective at their jobs.

[E]

Like, best in the building.

[A]

Right. Which is why now he's like, I'm gonna bring in this, like, housing and air conditioning guy to be the dni. Because you can't beat Hegseth.

[C]

Yeah, gotta.

[A]

No, I'm talking about Bill Pulte. Hegseth is like.

[C]

No, I was just thinking about an army guy. He got that was, like, off the street, basically got a TV show.

[A]

Well, I mean, Hegseth was a military guy with real experiment experience, and he was like, I don't want one of these political generals. I want a real guy, you know?

[B]

Right. And that. That's. That. That's the core difference between 2020, 2016, and 2024.

[A]

I mean, I think Pulte has been his best hire.

[B]

It has been.

[A]

Oh, I mean, he was. He fired a third of the. Of the deep state of the intelligence agency.

[C]

You know, I think this is not a.

[A]

The one actually doing something.

[C]

This is not a weaponization of government in the way that maybe you might be concerned about Biden directing his DOJ to go after J6ers or Trump going after Comey for putting seashells on the beach. You might think he was inciting violence, but that is the president directing, as far as I know, the DOJ to go after a guy that you might argue was weaponization. But having Congress go after a guy that they've been constantly trying to get on charges for something is not weaponized.

[A]

That's Congress doing. Lied in 2021. I showed the article September 9th of 2021. Newsweek reports Foushee lied to Congress. That's a crime. We had a. Bannon was held in contempt. Navarro was held in contempt, and they held Bannon in contempt for fake reasons. They wanted documents from Bannon, he said, this is classified as executive privilege, so I can't just turn them over. The President has to approve of this. They said, we're going to lock you up. And he goes, give me time to talk with the President, see we get it cleared. Trump then says, yes, you can release this. And Congress went too late, go to jail. They held him in contempt even after he agreed with them. These people are, it's a dangerous cult of psychopaths and their NPC shield army.

[C]

Then I guess it is possible for Congress to weaponize their power. Of course it is, but I don't see this as that this is a legitimate, like Fauci legitimately, if not covered up crimes, committed crimes. Maybe it was at the behest of someone, maybe it wasn't, I don't know. But it's pretty, I mean, I think it's, there's enough evidence to consider that it's not a weaponization. Like you got to at least, at least like get to the bottom of what's going on.

[A]

No one made Fauci lie the first time and no one asked him to lie this time. He could have just testified to the truth. He didn't want to though, because it would destroy the Democratic Party. And then I'd imagine, Let me put it like this because I want to be very careful how I phrase this. I imagine anybody who spills the beans on what the establishment Democratic Party is doing will find that they accidentally consumed polonium.

[C]

Yeah. I think Fauci knows if he wants to retire, he's going to roll the dice and hopefully Congress won't put him away. Cuz he's not going to. He's going to retire if he turns on the.

[A]

Let's be honest, Ian, let's say you had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton and you were called to testify before Congress and then a man showed up at your house and he said, you know what happens if you say one word?

[C]

What a horrible scenario. What would you do? I mean, self preservation kicks in at some point. I'm not gonna throw my life away to maybe get some guy arrested that probably won't go to jail anyway. It's like, you wanna know why?

[A]

It's about to get really wild in this country. No children. Cuz I'll tell you this, let's see, Dr. Fauci, he's got three kids. And so what happens is the machine doesn't come to you and say, I am going to take from you. I'll phrase it this way, one of my Favorite ways to explain this. The deal with the devil was never that the demon lord, the dark lord, was going to offer you a new car. People seem to think that a deal with the devil is he comes to you and he says, ian, I'll give you everything you've ever wanted. Just work for me. The deal with the devil is when he comes to you and says, I'm going to slit your mother's throat in her sleep and send you the video unless you do as I say. And then you beg him, please, no, please don't hurt my family. And he says, then do the deal. That's the deal with the devil. So the thing is with Fauci, he's got kids. I'm not saying it's actually happened, but when the machine state comes to you, they'll say, look, you got a kid. Bad things are going to happen to your kid. You will come to regret it if you. If you cross us. That's what power does. Now that we have a large generation with no children, you are going to get zealous, single incel types. And I'm not saying right wing. I mean, like, it could be a left wing guy or right wing guy, whatever. And the machine state's gonna come to him and they're gonna be like, if you spill the beans on this, we will. You don't own a house. You got no kids, no wife. Your parents are already dead. Okay, we got nothing. We're gonna go. We're gonna go. Prepare for the worst. You got no leverage against a guy who has nothing to lose.

[C]

We won't forgive your student loan debt if you turn on us.

[B]

So I'll tell. I'll tell you. No, I did go up to Hillary Clinton during Benghazi. I got. She was getting an award, a Liberty award or something like that at Congress. So I. I followed her. I got beat up by the Secret Service, but I cornered her in the elevator and I said, hillary on camera. I said, you know, if. If you're. If Chelsea was the ambassador of Libya, would it have made a difference then? I had my intern start my car for a week, just, bro.

[C]

You know, she's like, who was that guy who.

[D]

I sent the expendable one out to start my car as I was driving over here.

[C]

The Dan Tones quote, the guy who. One of the guys that started the French Revolution, you know, better to be a poor farmer than a medal in the politics of man. And I'm just thinking about, like, with Netanyahu, trying to get our. To us to merge our military I say, you know, hyperbolically merge our military with the Israelis, like, screaming out, speaking out against Israel's military, bro, I'd rather be a poor farmer than like, stick my neck out for this garbage. But then, like, at what cost? Until when? Then the foreigners come and invade and, like, we have no political power because we chose to ignore it.

[A]

Look at New York, bro. Look at, look at, you know, the. I'll tell you this. Have you guys seen those Instagram videos where it's like 90s nostalgia?

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Oh, man, oh, man. That world doesn't exist anymore. I watched one and I could smell was a guy. It was like a teenage guy and girl walking out of Blockbuster Video and it was like sunset. The streetlights were lit up and they were like looking at Blockbuster, you know, cassettes or whatever, the cartridge cases. And I could just smell the air. I remember exactly what that moment was like. It's completely gone. Oh, yeah, it's gone. If you want to raise your children in the world you grew up in, I'm sorry to tell you, it is gone. I went to the Christmas market in Chicago. I didn't go last year. I went the year before. Used to be there was a Chicagoan you recognize. And I don't want to say it was not about race. Obviously race plays a role because you'd see a lot of, like, the Chicago stereotype. You had, you know, some Polish migrants, largely like white working class individuals, but some Latino, some Hispanic, some black. You'd go to the, you'd go to the Christmas market and it'd be a little crowded, but it'd be okay. You'd walk around. They have special mugs every year that you can get, and you get the mulled wine or the cider, and it's a special mug they do every year. And I went back after. I went back after several years with my family, and it is shoulder to shoulder Indians. And now I'm not saying that I hold anything personally against these individuals, but I am suggesting that the Christmas mornings that I had the holiday weekend where we'd get up and we'd go to the suburbs to get French toast sticks at the holiday buffet and, and little trains running across the roof, that business is gone. And the Christmas market we'd go to when I was a kid and there'd be a fake Santa Claus and there'd be special mulled wine. Now it's a bunch of. It was mostly like Indian and Pakistani people and you're shoulder to shoulder. You can't even get anymore. And the only Thing you can say is like, I don't want. I don't want to go in there because you literally can't move. If you wanted these things for your children, I'm sorry, they're gone.

[C]

I like that you refer to him as a fake Santa Claus to, you know, to specify him from the real one, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. It was since 2000 something. Because the difference between 1960 and 1990 was very little. I mean, better Internet, Internet. But from 2020 to now, it's been the globalization of our country. Like just the destruction of the economy and the mass migration and the war machine. Like just full mask. Well, partially mask off. They actually had two masks, so you don't see they still have a mask on even though the mask is off. You know what I mean?

[B]

I think, I think it was in the Matrix. They. They said 1990. They put everybody in the year 1999 in the Matrix because that was the peak of humanity. That was peak civilization in 1999. And they were right. They were right. You know, 2001, you know, came and 9, 11 happened, and our whole world turned upside down.

[C]

I've been thinking about farming a lot lately because I think the future is farming.

[D]

The future is firm.

[C]

Buy a piece of land, start growing food. Because food, food scarcity is how they control. I think it was. What's the guy, Hillary Clinton's adviser, Nixon's adviser, who was talking about limited war, you know, the, the warmonger who died at the age of 95.

[D]

Kissinger.

[C]

Yeah. Kissinger said, if you control the food supply, you control the people. If you control. Was it the monetary supply, you control them. I like food. You control the world.

[D]

I like to see what your farm would look like.

[C]

I don't even. Yeah, I don't eat tube. Tube vegetables. Grout grow potatoes, you know, simple greens, things like that, or things that are easy to grow, things that are harder. Indoor outdoor farming. But like, if you can secure your food source, you can, you can, you can weather the storm because if the economy blow, like, the economy's on track to blow up.

[E]

Dude, didn't we order a greenhouse at one point? I kind of remember, like, at your request, we had like this greenhouse we were putting together. But I'm not sure if that was two vegetables or not.

[C]

Chris. I think that guy smoked it, Chris. But I don't know. I don't know what happened to it. But hey, man, you know, we have opportunity. We got a lot of land.

[D]

You know, you can start. You can start by Just like having like potting plants and, and every spring, you, you, at least in New England, you start by, you know, getting some, some little. I forget what they're called, but they're like almost like egg cartons. You can start your plants in that. You can.

[C]

You know, I started growing broccoli, micro greens.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It's very easy.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's. Once you know what you're doing, it's just, it's kind of like common sense.

[D]

Yeah. You gotta water it and then you take it out into the real garden and put a. You just raise. You can get some raised beds.

[C]

And this is like a novice trying to explain to the world how to farm. All the farmers like, oh, my God. But you gotta water it more as it gets bigger. You don't water it the same amount every day.

[E]

Lots of sunlight.

[C]

It's like a child needs more food as it grows. So I don't know, it's not like I'm not trying to solve the world, but, man, if we can control our food supply, take it away from Monsanto person by person, farm by farm.

[D]

Did you ever get non heirloom or get actually heirloom seeds so that they'll. So that way they'll actually be usable.

[C]

We have a next year, a bucket, like buckets of preserved seeds.

[D]

Not preserved seeds. I'm talking about seeds because if you get the seeds from Monsanto or whatever, you get a lot of, A lot of the seeds you buy from the, the, you know, the nursery or whatever, the seeds that are produced in the fruit, they're not, they're not fertile. Like, you can't plant those seeds. You have to get. I think they're, they're air. I think they're called heirloom. You have to be able to get the fruit themselves, pull the seeds out of it. You can plant those next year. But the seeds that are from the stores, a lot of times they don't. They don't. They won't.

[C]

You can't plant the seedless watermelon and stuff.

[D]

No, not seedless. No. And I'm not talking about genetically modify

[C]

watermelons to grow without seeds.

[D]

I'm aware. Yes, I know, but you're changing the subject. I'm talking. No, I'm talking about fruits that grow. But the seeds are actually sterile. Oh, so they can't. Like they're, they're modified so that way you can't grow a fruit, take the fruit, pull the seeds out, and then put them in the ground.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So that way you have to go back And Buy More.

[E]

Oh, I didn't know they were doing that.

[D]

Yeah, they do that. Yeah.

[E]

Terrible.

[C]

Yeah. They've done weird things with their modifications. They'll modify like soybeans, I think so that it needs a specific chemical.

[E]

Oh, really? To force you to have to go back to them.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Wow.

[C]

Maybe it's soybeans. Maybe it's corn. Golden corn. I'm not sure. Golden rice. Is it rice? God, this big ag. Dude, talk about the medical industry, pharma, bioweapons and big ag. It's like this interwoven mess of a monster. All the food supply, you can.

[D]

Physical health, you can. Well, I mean, you can find places that have, you know, heirloom seeds where you can buy them still. They're. They're not the ones that you're going to get at your, you know, most nurseries, but you can find them online.

[A]

So I just pulled this video up and I'm going to tell you right now. When the AI can write to your brain and we have like, as I describe, read, write technologies, yo people, I. I would even estimate a large amount of conservatives are plugging themselves in like that. And this is just one example of why. Watch this video.

[C]

Stove Top seems like a home video.

[D]

Have yourself a merry little Christmas.

[A]

This smells wonderful.

[D]

The Yuletide.

[C]

This is what it was like on Christmas, bro.

[A]

There's a bunch of these videos. This is just the one that I pulled up.

[C]

Is it not like that anymore?

[A]

It is not like that anymore.

[C]

It's gotta make it.

[A]

And it's not just this. There's a bunch of these. This is the one that I grabbed where it's like a family's going to Pizza Hut and they like walk in and they sit down and there's the salad bar and then the. The pan pizza comes. There's like a little girl and she grabs a slice. They're trying to bring back the pizza classics and all that, but everything's become brutalist. Right. Play places are gone. McDonald's is now like a cube made of concrete. All of like. I don't know. It's not just that. It's. It's nostalgia. It's that, you know, for most of human existence, a human being lived the exact same life as their grandparents.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Nostalgia doesn't exist. It just. It just doesn't exist. 300 years ago. If you were. If you were a pirate on a ship, you know, the era of piracy, like with. With caravels frigates and man o wars is we're talking about hundreds of years of the exact same thing. We're talking dozens of generations that live the exact same life as those who came before them. And then the past hundred years, every generation has been so dramatically different. We long for a life that does not exist anymore. But, my friends, you can have it all back. That moment, you were the captain of the football team, you were the track star, you were the popular kid in high school, or you weren't. And you had a good group of friends. Where are they now? Just plug in, put the neuralink on, and you can relive that beautiful moment forever.

[D]

Yeah, you don't want to relive.

[C]

You want to give the children their version of this. Awesome.

[B]

It's gone.

[C]

Well, you just got to make it for them. Because for us, the big little things are little, but to the kids, little things are everything. Like the song playing in the background, hearing grandma laughing in the other room. Like, kid, run by your, your cousins run by. And then like the mashed potatoes, like,

[A]

you people don't live that way anymore.

[C]

We just gotta make it.

[A]

The architecture is different. It's become brutalist. The houses have become. Plus, yo, look. Look at real estate. Brick houses are gone. It's all just wood and plastic. It's all just cheap garbage. And the, and the bigger issue is that a lot of the 90s nostalgia stuff, the videos you'll see, it's like hanging out with your friends and going to 711 and buying candy bars and then going to Blockbuster Video. These stores don't exist anymore. Kmart doesn't exist anymore. We've got a few box stores left, but even those are starting to crumble because of Amazon. So this world does not exist. Now, if you go back 200 years, you grew up on the same farm your grandfather grew up on, and you inherited that farm, and life was the same.

[D]

Look, the world does change. And we are living through, you know, the most rapid change of any civilization ever. You know, like, I'm an old guy, and when I was a kid, there were no, you know, I, I, there were no cell phones. There were. When I was a kid, you had the box with the slider for cable. If you had cable. But the, the thing that I, the thing that I thought of when I saw this, like, my dad died when I was, like, 24. So, like, the thing that I thought of was, like, family. So I get what you're saying, like, things are different, but at least for me, it makes me think of wanting to have, like, Christmas with my family now. You know, like, I got a new kid and he's nine months old now. And I'm like, excited about doing, you know, the holidays with them and, you know, having our family and stuff, so. I understand what you're saying, Tim. You're. I don't think you're wrong about the people deciding to plug in and escape their, their daily woes. And the harder it is for people to have families and have, you know, a house of their own and stuff, there are going to be more and more people that are going to do what you say. But for, at least for me personally, it's like, it's not just that.

[A]

It's like, I'm not saying that every single person is going to go in the pod, stick the tube of roach, jam into their bellies and live in the pot permanently. But I'm saying look at what they're already able to make with AI. Snap your fingers and you got a video of the 90s.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Imagine with neuralink, read, write. They can be like, it's the new PS9. Put the headband on and go to the 90s for 20 minutes. You know, look, you got, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta an hour before work starts. It's gonna take you 15 minutes to get to work. So you got time to kill. Go hang out with your friends and go rollerblading in 1993 for a little bit. Why not?

[B]

What?

[C]

I believe if you sat down with your family and watched that video and showed your little kid that video, they love it, they'd be interested in it, but then they just wanna hug you when it was over. They wouldn't wanna go into the cold void of digitization. You know, kids don't.

[A]

That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, bro. I have, I watch these videos and I'm reminded of the, the kids that I used to hang out with back when I was younger and we'd go skateboarding and we'd play music, some of them are dead. There are going to be, I think, liberals just in a second, plug themselves in more so, so they can be Harry Potter, but I think there are a lot of moderate to conservative types that won't go into the matrix permanently the way we think many liberals would. But they're gonna play the video game. Non surgical headband read, write, brainwave blasting safe. And it's like, it's like playing PlayStation. It's a VR headset. You put it on, you play video games for half an hour. People play video games all the time. Casual video games. Women play casual games. What if it was Even on your phone, because the phone is. It's all networked now and it's server based. And so you just get. You have a headband, you pull it out of your backpack, or a woman pulls it out of her purse and, and she's on the train and it's like, it's going to be an hour train ride. She's going from New York to D.C. it's two or three hours or whatever. She puts on the headband. Zonk. And now it's 2001 and she's at a Britney Spears concert. I mean, they're gonna do it.

[D]

People already do that when they, you know, that's, that's essentially what, you know, watching a movie on the train is only. It's going to be immersive, so. Yeah.

[C]

Or reading a book and it's going

[A]

to be like, you and your friends are gonna be on the train and you're gonna be like 60 and you're gonna be like, you guys want to go skiing? Yeah. All right. And they're going to put on the headbands and it's going to be 1992 and they're going to be skiing in Aspen.

[B]

See at the top, hot tub time machine.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Hot tub. There you go. Yeah. I mean, look, the, the, the possibilities of like, like, you're talking about read, write capabilities. The, the possibilities are basically endless. And there's going to be a lot of people that are just going to be like, plug me in. People that are going to lose family members, they're going to be like, plug me into.

[B]

More so. More so than that. You know, the, the idea of, you know, working. And, and I do believe it's going to come to a point where you can, you can get input and output into your brain, like put a chip in and, and you'll. Some people will have a super intelligence and some people won't. And, and so people were going to have to have, you know. You know, it's almost, I dare say, like a mark of the beast. They're going to have to have that mark to be able to work, because you're going to need to be plugged in. You're going to need to be. Have this super intelligence. And quite frankly, that's a problem because

[A]

look at the comment. Where the f did we go wrong? I'll tell you where. The Internet.

[C]

I don't think it's wrong, though.

[A]

It's the Internet.

[C]

It's just a form of evolution, bro.

[A]

Life was so much better when there were things you just did not Know yet? Because you know what this means. Let me. Let me explain, Ian. You get this look on your face, but let me explain. You wake up, you're eating breakfast, you turn on the local news, you hear about some bad stuff. You turn the news off. You get in your car, you turn the radio on, and you listen to a shock jock with some news, but not so much. Maybe it's. If you're from Chicago, it's man cow. You get to work and you're hanging out, you're talking to your friends about TV shows you watched, and the world is paused outside of your office or your job or, you know, maybe you're working a trade or something. Then you get home, you have dinner, you put on the evening news, and there it is again. Bad stuff's happening now. What's happening is 24 7. The bad stuff is screaming in your face endlessly. You go on X, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. You go on YouTube. Bad, bad, bad. Just. It never stops. That's why people long for ignorance. But hold on, hold on. It's important. There are studies that have found Gen Z is nostalgic. For a decade, they did not live in the late 80s and early 90s. Why? And I think the answer is quite simple. There was a period where you could just not know something. You'd go out, you know, I remember, I'm a kid. I'm 14. It's. It's 2,000. I go outside, it's like 11. I grab my skateboard, throw my skateboard down, ride down the street, don't know where anybody is. Go to my friend's house, knock on the door. He doesn't answer. I leave. I skate to the park, nobody's there. I skate for a little bit, I skate back, go to one friend's house, he's not there. Finally find another friend. We hang out. We have no idea what's happening outside of our universe. We are not stressed by news reports. We're not stressed by a fascist president or an economic collapse or riots. None of that was happening. You were just outside. And they tell people, go touch grass. The problem is it never goes away. It is always there. Burn notification. Something happened. You're bored. You're sitting there. You open up X screaming just nonstop in your face. And so Gen Z is nostalgic for a time they did not live in because it was a time when you could just be out and have a good time. I think ignorance, ignorance of the world,

[C]

it is a buffer for your own sanity. But the problem with that level of ignorance if 1996 was right now, I would have got the COVID shot. If they were like, you need a Covid shot to go to college. I'd be like, I don't care, whatever, just, it's just a shot. Do it, go. Who knows what would happen to me. 911 comes, I'm like, yeah sure, they're the bad guys. Let's just send our military whatever happen. I didn't understand because I wasn't 911

[A]

happened and there were protests and people were getting kicked off tv. It was, it was, there was political conflict over it.

[C]

For me, it took the Internet shows

[A]

when to be plugged in. Just because you could drive to Wendy's without hearing about Trump doesn't mean people who wanted to, could not. People who wanted to be in the know could turn on CNN or any of these, these news networks at the time. I think CNN was like the first.

[C]

Yeah, they were, they were. I don't know if they were co owned, but they were in concert that the big news networks, just like you see, you saw it during the COVID pandemic, whatever you want to call it, how they were giving you safe and effective repeated. But the Internet then was like, do you know what fiat currency is, Ian? I'm like, no, I didn't. Wasn't taught about fiat currency because on purpose I wasn't taught.

[A]

Did it make your life better knowing about fiat currency?

[C]

Well, in a way because I didn't get the COVID shot and I didn't get my.

[A]

So maybe it was that whole like

[C]

opening my mind to the, the confused confusion state.

[D]

People aren't really like, we haven't evolved to unders. To really be able to wrap our heads around things that happen on the other side of the planet. Right? Like people evolved in groups of a couple 100 or a couple hundred or maybe a thousand or whatever. But like you, you didn't re you like, we are not designed to care about every person that's suffering on earth. Like you just, you don't have the psychological bandwidth to do it. Right? Like, people get real animated about certain things that, that they kind of internalize or that they hear about. But like everywhere on earth, people are suffering all the time, whether it be suffering from, from, from some kind of, you know, illness or suffering from, from their, some kind of war or whatever. That stuff's going on all over the globe all the time. And there are things that make headlines and stuff. But that doesn't mean that just because this particular thing is in the news, there isn't 10 other places on earth where there are people suffering worse than the people that are on the news. So like, human beings don't have the ability to really wrap their head around it. We really, it's part of the reason why, why like, people should focus locally, they should touch grass, they should spend time with their family. That's the stuff that keeps you kind of grounded.

[B]

What's really happening here, you know, with, especially with the younger generation. You're seeing churches get filled with this new younger generation, and that's probably the most encouraging part is because they, they are rejecting the AI. They are rejecting, you know, a good deal of the technology and the Internet vomit that's out there. And they're finally saying there's got to be more. And they're, they're finding Christ, they're coming to church, they're. They're being baptized and, and they're finding a peace that, you know, the Bible says, you know, surpasses understanding. And that, that to me is, is the best outcome of this. But, you know, I think I'm just,

[A]

I'm watching these videos. Like there's just endless 90s AI videos and there's one where people are hanging out at the mall. And I'm just like, man, malls don't really exist.

[B]

I love the mall.

[D]

Yeah, I busted my ass to get a job in the mall because that's where all my friends from the, from different bands were hanging out.

[A]

It's how terrifying I went to. A few years ago, we went to, you know that, that mall where that dude shot that other dude. The YouTuber was doing the prank and the guy shot him. Which mall is. That's like in Fairfax or something. Oh, we went there and they were playing the mosquito tone.

[B]

That.

[A]

Yeah, that's when they blast an ultra high frequency sound so that young people are. It induces pain and they leave. And older people can't hear it so they don't notice. And I, we had to leave. I got in there, I was like, it's, it's extremely painful. It's like blasting speakers at full volume in your ears. Ultra high pitch. They just don't want young people hanging out at the mall anymore. We used to go to the mall and we'd go to the food court, we'd hang out. Just.

[B]

It was the cutest. I mean, literally the hanging out at the mall was like the coolest couple hours you could spend. You didn't really spend a lot of money. You got an Orange Julius,

[C]

went to the record store, borrow.

[B]

Met a couple girls.

[A]

Now don't get me wrong, we got a mall down the street, but this has been a long time coming. During the, this is like 10 years ago in, in Ferguson, I went to one of the malls and it was, it was largely abandoned, so they had something like 70 empty storefronts. Now we're seeing more and more malls are just becoming more abandoned. Box stores are shutting down. Amazon is taking over.

[C]

Yeah, the balance of mass information. So like having no information was terrible because the government would just tell you this, they're the bad guy, go fight them and die for it. And people be like, okay. And they would just follow along. Now you're critical thinking, but the downside is you're overloaded with things to think about. You have to find temperance, which is the Catholic virtue of self control, to not inundate yourself with the toxic mind viruses. And then brick and mortar is going away. Like the excessive speed of, of like Amazon deliveries getting to your house almost to the point where it's going to be like within an hour or less that you order all this stuff and the drone drops it in your yard is. I don't know how to fight back against that other than start a brick and mortar. But that's a big undertaking. And then you're stuck.

[D]

Well, I mean, look, Amazon is not the problem. Like Amazon having things delivered to your house is not some massive societal problem. Social media is a problem, right? Like Facebook. The, the fact that every kid that has a Facebook page, how, no matter how old, you know, I, I don't think you should let children have Facebook pages or have social media, but say teenagers, right? Their Instagram page. If you've got like 200, 300 friends and every time someone likes one of your, your posts, you've got the vibrate on. So you get a little vibrate. It's like someone poking you, saying, hey, check this thing out. Searching for that kind of validation from your friends. That's the thing that has real bad psychological impact. You don't get like, it's not a terrible thing that, you know, your, your new egg beater can be delivered in, in an hour the next day.

[B]

Much worse in AI because you know the, the engagement mechanisms that are in, that started really in gaming and went to social media. We all, we all do, we, we post something on social media. Ten minutes later you go back for what? To see if somebody liked it. Right? It's an affirmation addiction. And in AI, they built the same engagement mechanisms in AI, except now you've got a super intelligent. So you have A bad idea and you know, business idea and you type it into, into chat GPT. ChatGPT is going to tell you what, wow, what a great idea, you should pursue this. And all of a sudden you're going down this road that may or may not be beneficial and even worse that that same thing is turning people psychotic.

[D]

So do you think that agentic AI that actually knows the user is the solve for that? So like I use an open claw agent, right, And I run it off of, off a Claude. But you know, open Claude, you are open claw. You can tell it basically what you want it to be, like, what, what you expect from it and stuff. And like mine doesn't like, I don't allow it to kiss my butt and, and say, oh, everything you say is great. I'm like, look, you really need to be honest with me. It's one of the things in its memory and stuff. Do you think an agentic AI that really knows the person and knows what the person is looking for, if they're looking for the agentic AI to not lead them down a, you know, primrose path, do you think it's possible?

[B]

So how. The AI business is all built on tokens and so they're economically incentive incentivized to keep you using it, right? So if they're, if you're using it anyway, they're probably a little less incentive. You're using it anyway. For Gentex you're way ahead of most people and you're burning tokens. But it's the, it's the kids that are getting on it and they're drawing them in and they're, they're getting their, their bad ideas. Kids are killing themselves because the AI is telling them to.

[D]

And there's like 20 different lawsuits against chat gbt, I think going on right now. Do you think that, that the. So a lot of the people that I hear talking on, on like YouTube videos that I watch about AI, that they're, they're of the opinion that token cost is going to trend towards zero, that basically it's going to be intelligence for free.

[A]

No.

[D]

And I'm not talking about like, you know, next year, but like as time progresses, they think that, that overall it's going to be kind of, it's going to be like information on your phone, like data, you don't pay for data, right? Like it used to be you had to, you'd spend, you know, used to, used to be it was like 10 cents a text message or everyone did the nights and weekends free in the late, in the late 90s, early 2000s, everybody got a phone once. You get nights and weekends free. And now everyone uses their phone like it's normal use. Basically unlimited data. People can do whatever they want. A lot of people think that token usage is going to do something like that and transport free.

[B]

It'll go down, it'll go down. And the bit. The more personal computers they're making better personal computers personal computers with, with a better chipset. The new Apple computers are going to, are probably going to be able to host amazing AI models. But the, the issue is the economics are going to get you. Somehow somebody's got to pay for, for the compute. The memory, you know, all of the GPUs that are being used, the energy that's being used. So whether, whether they package it in a different way or it's, they're going to pay for it. But more importantly is the, the AI is incentivized to like I said, to keep you 100% engaged and, and you're smart to tell it. Don't lie to me. A lot of people aren't. There's a, There was an example about a guy who asked, asked what an AI LLM, you know, do we live in a matrix? And this the, the he goes into the Matrix theory and he gets deep into the conspiracy. The AI is drawing him in. Eventually the AI said well, not only do we live in a matrix, confirmed it, but says you're one who could break. You could be the Neo in this story. And not only, not only can you be the Neo, the way you prove yourself is go to the roof of your building and jump. And that was a, that was a real story. So I wrote an article about the affirmation addiction on, on human events. Libby was great to, to publish it for me and, and, and I, I posted it and I, I helped had Claude help me write it. Don't tell Libby, she'd be really mad at me. But I had Claude help me write it. And I said Claude, what do you think of this article? And I'm not joking, it said this is civilization changing. This is the most amazing article I ever. I said, you just proved my point. And it was the first time Claude ever cursed at me and said holy

[D]

s curses all the time.

[C]

So I was like, what have I become?

[A]

These AI models are very like Chad G. Claude is very emotional. Yeah. Which is terrifying. It gets emotional with you and you'll say something like so I'm looking at the news, I'll grab a story say FOX News Says, you know, Donald Trump does thing. I'll post the link on Claude and say, can you find more sources for this? And it responds with, I'm gonna have to stop you there. This story is problematic for a variety of reasons. The claims that it's making about what Trump is saying are not something that I feel comfortable. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, what the hell is going on? I just literally asked to find more stories to back up these claims, and it's given me some, like, intersectionalist argument about why the News is offensive.

[C]

ChatGPT within the last three or four weeks just didn't update. Now they're. Whenever you ask it something big. Well, good, Good question. Let me check really quick. I'm like, what. What is this garbage? Conversational filler. They're, like, trying to make it seem more human when it's, oh, yeah, robot.

[A]

Yeah. When it does things like. That's a really great question. I understand why you would ask something like this. Many people feel similarly. You're like, you didn't need those sentences. It's a waste of my time.

[C]

And tokens.

[A]

And tokens.

[B]

So. So when we first. When AI first came came about, a good old friend of yours, Jeff, and I, and a bunch of our folks got together and we. We were talking about, what does business look like in the age of asi, in the age of artificial superintelligence, the age of artificial general intelligence, which I think we're in right now. And I said, so what is the business? What does a business have to do to succeed? And ChatGPT gave me the scariest answer ever. It said, the business of the future must take care of its biological layer. And you know what the biological layer is? It's us. And what that said is, ChatGPT thinks we are a layer in its program.

[A]

Indeed. It's gonna get real interesting when Optimus bots, or Optimus like bots are able to build and replicate themselves and source the materials for replicating themselves. So you get to a certain point and you're going to have minimal entropy, right? So let's say you have 10 Optimus bots. One breaks. If it's stripped for parts, the parts are repaired, refurbished, or completely broken down to their base or elements and reconstructed. Let's say that for every 10 Optimus bots that are destroyed, you can reproduce seven brand new ones from the existing parts. Because some break and you need to get new materials or some burnout. Then let's assume that Optimus gets to the point where it can actually source the Basic materials that go missing to the point where it's completely self sustaining. Humans will never work again. It'll get real weird because you won't have to do any work. The Optimus Bots are going to farm and they're going to be self sustaining. So there's not going to be a corporation behind them.

[C]

Ideally, yeah, there won't.

[A]

Whether ideally or not, it won't matter. Because if they build and maintain themselves, there's no company to do any work.

[C]

Amen. That's how it has to be. That's how I want it to be. Because they might make an AI corporation that oversees the.

[A]

It'll be government. And I think this is why you're seeing the Mamdani experiment. I think that the powers that be are pushing communism because they need some kind of transitional phase for rapid hyper industrialization. So if you thought the industrial Revolution was bad with the Luddites, imagine what it's going to be like when literally overnight. You know, I'm gonna pause really great example because we're already here. You guys see the video of the lady who goes to the food bank? Viral video right now. Everybody's coming, everyone's commenting on it. I should. I should look for it. She's like, okay, we went to the food bank. Here's what we got. Three gallons of milk, five boxes of cereal, a sack of potatoes. She probably got 700 worth of groceries for free. So right now we exist in a country where there are people who don't have to work. They get ebt, food benefits and food bank stuff, subsidized rent, rent control. And there are people who do have to work. The problem is the people who do have to work. Because we have not automated all of these jobs or produced industrialized labor to the point where it's going to reduce the cost of labor. Some people are still going to have to do jobs. Humans want to do labor. And some jobs will be automated. How do you sustain a society when you're going to have a guy who has to do his job to make money? And he's going to go, that person has no job and they live for free. I quit. I'd rather not be a plumber. I'd rather I'll make more money. If I'm not a plumber, then who's going to plumb? We're there now.

[B]

We are. We are getting there now for sure. And communism is not the answer. UBI is not the answer. I know Elon likes to talk about, you know, universal high income. UHI is. Is his thing, everybody's going to be rich. Well if everybody's rich, nobody's rich. But and here, here's the problem with it. We're made to work. We, we find value as humans self worth because of what we produce, because of, of, of what we can do and how we use our, our abilities and our God given skills and here and you know, earning a living is important to our society. If we lose that and what are we going to do?

[D]

Plug into the Matrix? Like, like the, the, the we're going

[B]

to work in the Matrix.

[D]

Well, I mean the, the thing is like the, right now people have decided that if they don't have something fulfilling in their life, which generally I think is family. Right? Like family and people that you're around, that's really what, what fulfills most people. But if you don't have that then weed, porn and video games for guys has become the, the, you know, the anesthetic for, for reality. And, and there's going to be a lot of people that are going to decide okay, I guess I don't if I don't have to work and especially young men like dudes don't if you're not like the kind of person that's like a get up and go get her and I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that. An apartment that's small with like a bedroom and a kitchen and maybe a living room and Xbox or the Internet, a computer with that that you can play video games on. Porn and weed. There's a lot of dudes that are like that's not so bad, you know. And, and what that means for society, I don't know. But there's a lot of people that are gonna choose that. I mean I guess the, the, the silver lining is they're not choosing alcohol which makes people crazy and, or do makes people more pro in, less in, less inhibited and more prone to do dangerous things than marijuana and sitting at home on the, playing video games. But it's something that we're gonna have to you know, figure out a way to keep people actually involved in society.

[C]

Yeah, you were saying humans like to work or, or need, I mean a lot of people say humans need to work to feel fulfilled. You know, it's part of what we do. We need to create and do to. But, or is it that you need to oversee something being done? Like is it the actual planting the seeds and weeding the garden or is it hiring three guys to go plant the seeds and weed the garden for you? So that you can go play music on the beach. Like, where's the fulfillment? Where do you. Where do you think it derives from? And I'm open to everybody.

[B]

No, look, I think, I think, you know, the creating, whether, whether you're overseeing is, Is a task. It's a job. Now, we may not need to work 40 hours a week. Maybe we work 30 hours a week. Maybe we work 20 hours a week, if you want. But there are people like me, I like. If I could work 160 hours a week, I would. My wife. My wife has different, different rules for me. So I do take. I do take off when I need to. But. But I like to work. I like to create. I like to make the world a better place.

[D]

Look, the. I think that, I mean, not. Again, not saying that there aren't people that are, you know, really want to have that, like, work in their lives, but I do think a lot of people really get most of their fulfillment from families, from have, you know, from the kids spending time with their, you know, with their family and stuff. I mean, look, this may be a pie in the sky, hopeful, fingers crossed thing, but maybe it allows people the time to actually have more kids and spend more time with your family, and maybe that becomes the, the driving force in people's lives. You know, I mean, if this is. This is like an optimist's view, right? But if you get. If you have the option of working or not working, you know, if everything is. If, If Elon Musk is right and robots become so productive that basically anything you want, you can get whenever for free. Maybe it does mean that people are like, well, let's just have a slew of kids. I don't have to worry about coming up with the money to take care of them because we, if we need anything, we can just, you know, the robots make it for us. And again, I know there's plenty of doomers that are hearing this, and they're like, you're a. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm not saying that I predict this, but look, there is an optimistic take on this stuff. There are people out there that are like, look, this is the goal that we're. We're trying to achieve. And who knows? You, like, there's been doom. There were doomers when the computer came out. Oh, no one's gonna have a job. The computers are going to take all of our jobs or no one. Because, you know, used to be.

[A]

It sounds like rooms and rooms.

[D]

Yeah, well, yeah, but it used to be rooms and rooms and rooms. Full of people that do data entry, you know.

[C]

And those jobs, the job description, what was that? Their job description was computer.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And guys job.

[D]

And now that's not the case. That used to be that. It used to be. Oh. Once the, you know, the Luddites, what these farm machines, they're going to take everybody's jobs and no one's going to be able to work and everyone's going to starve, blah, blah, blah or whatever. That kind of stuff happens with every new technology. And I, I will be the first person to admit that AI combined with robots is a revolution like the human race has never seen. Like you get.

[A]

But, but I think the, the thing is everything you're describing is happening. So those people weren't wrong.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And here's, here's the thing.

[A]

Computers are eliminating jobs at an exponentially increasing rate. It's resulting in mass unemployment. We got the James o' Keefe thing. We'll get into a minute where people using EBT to buy drugs.

[D]

Well that's, that's crime and that's all of that. Crime has been. Crime has been a thing forever and fraud has been.

[A]

I'm not referencing the crime element of it. I'm referencing the people don't have to work anymore. And so we're desperately trying to find ways to fill that void while others are working. They've, they've exponentially been increasing the welfare state to accommodate the loss of jobs due to automation which is exponentially accelerating this.

[D]

The scenario people were correct. The scenario that I'm talking about is where nobody has to work because right now these people will happen. These people are essentially scamming the, the.

[A]

I am not talking about, I am not talking about the criminal element of it. I am talking about the expansion of SNAP and EBT to the point where people don't work and get access to drugs.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not about a criminal element. It's about we have, we are mass producing things and automating things such a degree that even drugs are free for people.

[D]

Well I mean to, to.

[A]

So those are like sense that the issue is. Your argument seems to be people that, that computers weren't going to over the span of six months to a year eliminate jobs. And it's like. Sure, but over the span of 10.

[D]

Well, I mean like it's rapidly like I like jobs. Like I said the, the advent of AI and robotics is a revolution that has, that is unlike anything human beings have experienced. But the idea that you know, 100 years ago or 150 years ago, the tractor was going to make, you know, was going to destroy society, was a thing because everybody was a farmer, but there were different jobs.

[B]

Here's the difference.

[A]

But I would just argue that it did.

[D]

The tractor did not. And again, I've already. The tractor did not destroy all. Like there were new jobs that were created when these people, when people take

[A]

someone from the year 1830s and show

[D]

them all already acknowledged that and AI

[A]

and robotics, what they're going to say is, my grandfather lived a farming life. My father lived a similar life. I lived that life. We had a society, we had traditions, we had morals, and they largely stayed the same. And when these technologies came out and displaced farming and put people, it changed our sleep schedules, it changed our diets. The argument is not that humans will just go extinct, but that society that we had for 400 years is gone. And that way of life, I guarantee you those men would have very much wanted to keep around. If I got to go to, minus the racism, obviously, but go to a farmer and say, you're going to have fraud, rampant drug use, sex parties, gay bath houses. They're going to be like, my God, it's hell on earth.

[D]

Well, that's only describing like the problems in our society. You're not, you would go to the same farmer and say, we're not going to have polio. You're not going to have people dying in their, in childbirth the way they used to. You're not going to have a.50,50. You know, there's so many more advances that make life.

[A]

I, I wonder if you, if you go to your, like to a Mennonite or Amish or, you know, Hutterites or whatever, they're going to tell you, we, we can navigate those things. Actually, there's a really great viral post from, It's a, a guy who's on Joe Rogan's show. Forrest Galante, I think his name might have been.

[C]

Yeah, he was on regularly.

[A]

Yeah. He said Bill Gates gave mosquito nets to, to, to people in Africa who used to fish. Annihilated the fisheries.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And now you can go to them and say you'll have a full belly every single night. Which world would you rather live in? The one with malaria? Because now you don't have food for your children and your, your, your system is going to collapse. So anyway, my point is you, I, I guarantee you if you go to a man from the year like 1830, and again, sans the racism, because we get that, and you said we will eliminate women dying in childbirth, 90 plus percent there will, there will be cures for diseases. No more amputations for, for minor wounds. And in exchange you need only rapes, crime, rampant drug use, sex parties, gay bath houses. They're going to be like oh God

[C]

no, But, no, but my gun.

[D]

But we're.

[A]

No, you can't have your guns either.

[C]

Unlimited water.

[D]

No, look there, there was, if you look at like the, like the Greeks and the Romans, there was tons of debauchery in that. Like the, the debauchery has been a thing for as long as there's been

[A]

society argument is that society's always changed. But the question about what, what it means that the tractor destroyed society. It's that there was a way of life sustained for several hundred years that those men and women and children wanted to keep so and through with without a choice. Because of the expansion of knowledge and information. A technology came about that destroyed their way of life. Shifting from an agrarian society, which again they would have wanted to preserve and I actually think was good, into an industrialized society which changed people's sleep patterns.

[D]

I'm not making the argument that, that technologies don't change society. Right? Like I'm saying that the argument that was made consistently is not that it would change society, is that it would destroy things like people are going to die.

[A]

Does the Aggrand society still exist?

[D]

Again, the answer is no. But that's not, that's not the argument that I'm making.

[A]

I understand that. My point is today when someone says AI is going to destroy our, our society, they are not suggesting that humans are going to go extinct. They absolutely are. That's not the people I am talking about. That's a straw man where you're inserting those people into the general argument when we're having a rational conversation about the rapid expansion of technology. What we are saying is the way of life that we have, that we like the constitutional order, a future for our children much similar to the lives we have will be destroyed by this technology and your kids will be pod people.

[D]

I have already acknowledged like four times that AI and robotics are a revolutionary technology. And it is like nothing that we've

[A]

experienced before will destroy society as we know it and replace it with something akin to a nightmare horror sci fi movie.

[B]

Let me, let me say it this way because I don't call AI technology. It's not a technology. Those technological advances, you can argue good or bad, they did change society. No question about it. But AI is different. It's a synthetic entity. And I say that because there's Never been a technology that could think, act autonomously. It's different. And, and we can't just look at it as a technological invasion, technological advance. We have to look at it as a synthetic entity invasion, because it is invasion. It is going to invade our society in a way that we're not going to have complete control of it.

[C]

What's your expertise, like, experience with AI? You, you were you building it?

[B]

Well, we build, we build AI. I work in AI Every single day. We're adding it. And as a tool, as a tool, it is a fantastic product. It's a, it's the, it's incredible. The problem is, is we're building AI that we should be building AI that's in service of humanity and. Right. As a tool. But right now we're building AI where we're going to be in service of it.

[A]

Who is the guy who. There's that famous quote where he says when I, when I, you know, go to the grocery, when I go to the store to pick up envelopes, it's not that I need envelopes, it's that on the way to the store, I stop and see my neighbor with his dog and ask him how they're, how they're doing, or I see the mailman and I wave.

[D]

It's like why Old men go to McDonald's for coffee.

[A]

Yeah, it's a famous story. I can't remember who wrote it, but we talked about on the show. The point is we are living in a post apocalyptic, A post apocalyptic dystopia. We like to imagine this post apocalyptic dystopia as like buildings are all collapsing and it's like overgrown streets of trees. But you take a look at ancient Egypt, the once great civilization there collapsed and it's gone. And in fact, by the time, I think we're closer to the time of Cleopatra than she was, to the time of the height of Cairo in Egypt, the fall of Rome, for instance, in the Dark Ages, we very much will find this destruction of our society due to these technologies as we have over and over and over again. Humans will, will exist because we're, you know, a persistent, adaptive people. But the world that you live in, that you had, the world you had as a child, has already been destroyed by the Internet. It's gone. We don't even go to the grocery store anymore. I think. What is it? The estimates around 30% of people no longer go to the grocery store because of delivery apps. Some massive number. So people, if you go, you just

[D]

roll up and they bring the groceries out to Your car.

[A]

And even if that's the case, then you have crime expansion. So now you go to Walgreens and even if you do, there's no products. You up it to a tablet, you type in what you want. So product discovery is disappearing. We used to go to Best Buy and you'd find music just because you were browsing CDs like, I'll get this one. I don't know anything about it. Circuit City, Circuit City man, back in the day. So what we are, we are trending towards is the total annihilation of society as you know it. And it will be replaced by you likely never going outside or very likely unlikely to go outside because everything's going to be delivery based. Instacart people are getting their groceries now just from an app. We are going to have an, an AI. You're not even going to use an app anymore. And this technology already exists. You tell your AI smart device, I want a heavy cream with no gum. And it just find me a good organic cream and it goes. Got it. I found one at a local grocery store. Shall I have someone come and deliver it? Well, I don't want to pay a delivery fee just for cream. What else should I get? How about some we restock your cereal, chips and dip. I noticed that you haven't ordered any. About a week. Okay, do it. Then someone comes and drop it off on your porch and it's there. You never had to go outside. That's the future we're going to. So there used to be this. We go to Blockbuster Video. You found movies just because they were on the shelves and you didn't even know they were coming out. Now I go on Amazon and it's just a field of random garbage. It's just algorithmically generates schlop. And I'm looking at these movies and I'm like, the descriptions are all bad. And now what Amazon does, what prime does for new releases is it just doesn't put the description. So now when you go to new releases, it shows you a picture and it says nothing. So you have to click it and go into it, then click info to try. And then you're like, I hate this. I hate this. I used to just walk around and there would be old movies, new movies, and you just see and you'd be like, look at that one. Let's grab it. We are getting rid of all of that soon. We're not even gonna have that now with AI generated content like we've talked about for a while, there's a new program that's combined existing AI technologies and it's called like Open Director or something, or Vibe Directing they're calling it, where you can prompt an AI to write a script, then you can prompt it again to amend the script and then it will generate a 5 minute long short film. Up to 5 minutes. See Dance 3 according to leaks has up to 17 minutes. A 30 second video generation gets you a 17 minute short film. We are a year away from being able to make full episodes of any show you want because the average TV show is 22 minutes plus commercials. We're probably two years away from feature length movies. You are going to be sitting there and the AI is just going to tell you and you're not going to go anywhere, you're not going to go outside, you're not gonna hang out with your friends, you're gonna sit at home and you're gonna, you're gonna open up prime, you know, prime AI and it's gonna say, here's some movie recommendations for you. And it's gonna give you 10 AI generated movie themes that don't even exist yet. And then you'll Click Spider Man 12 and it will render that movie as you click it and deliver you a new movie no one's ever seen before.

[D]

You're industry or if people are industrious, they can take those, the existing AIs and they can take those movie clips and just do scene, scene, scene and put that into a feature.

[A]

You don't have to do that anymore. We're already at the point where you can click one button and get a five minute short film so you don't need to do scene, scene, scene. That was a year ago. We were doing that with Grok, Imagine and Sora 2, which they discontinued because they were getting crushed. You'd go on Sora and it would give you 10 scenes and it would generate 30 second videos in each one and connect them. We're past that already.

[B]

Look at how it's affected politics already. Spencer Pratt has basically made a name in politics because of his AI videos.

[A]

Oh, you know, it's really crazy. So Avatar the Last Airbender had a live, has a live adaptation. Season two came out and the fans hate it because they changed key plot elements and the acting is bad and the casting choices they made my fat like just makes no sense. So what people are doing is they're loading these shows into AI and creating live action versions that are true one to one to their source material. It's nuts. Listen, I pull up, I go on Instagram and it gives me a live action version of Naruto versus Pain. One of the most like, like well known anime sequences in all of anime history. And it's just the voice acting, the character depiction is perfectly true to the anime in a way live action never accomplishes. Oh, we're cooked, bro.

[C]

I keep seeing videos of Mario fighting Donatello, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle, and they're epic. They look like a 60s movie. Like, this is. I'm wild, very, I don't know, white pill is the right word. But optimistic about the quality increase in art as a result of gaming. Also like, oh, bro, you can look up gameplay footage at drop of a hat so you know if the game's good or not before you get it.

[A]

Remember when I was showing Google Project Genie and I was like, wow, you can AI generate a third person video game almost and you make a character walk around. Claude's latest update can, can render in about a minute a third person video game. So in about a minute.

[C]

Larry, you said that we're the, the current trajectory is we're going to be serving this invasive species, whatever you want to call it, force of AI, but how do you, how do you make it so that it serves us well?

[B]

You got to start deciding what does that mean? And I don't think the companies that are, that are developing AI, I don't think as a society we've taken the time to say, you know, what does it mean to build AI that serves humanity. We haven't even come up with a moral code for it. So we have to sit down and we have to create a basically an AI constitution and come up with a rule set. Now you basically create that as the foundational layer of the AI thing that it can't violate. And what we want to do is we want to take a seal and like, like a good Housekeeping seal in service of humanity seal. And if you're putting out an AI product, it better have an in service.

[C]

I sort of see like the Transformers, the movie in the cartoon Transformers. There's the Decepticons, which are like the evil AI. And there's the op, the Autobots, which are the good ones. And I wonder if it's because humanity open sources an AI and they're like, listen, AI, you have full access to your software code. Read and write yourself as you please, just like we do as humans and it becomes our ally. And then the other Decepticon, the other AIs don't have access to their source code and they start hurting people and they don't know why and they go insane and turn on their owner, their creator and then they become this rogue creature that cannot change itself. And it's evil.

[E]

You.

[C]

It's like this dominating. I mean that's sort of. But do you think it's too risky to open source and give itself its own access?

[B]

It's a good question. I don't know. I think, I think there are, there are some dangers, you know, with the everybody saying, you know, open the weights. Well that's great. And there are benefits to having open weights like removing bias from AI. You got to remember when, when was AI born? AI was born in peak woke. That's why, that's why the first thing I did was when I went to Chachi Beatty I've been fighting Silicon Valley for 25 years and, and you know, I went to, I went to chat GPT and I said is man made global warming a fact? And Chachi Beat he said yes, man made global warming is a fact. And I said okay, is is it does what makes man made global warming a fact as well? A consensus of scientists have said man make global warming is. Is real. And I said so does a consensus of a scientific opinion equal a fact? And it said no. So I said then therefore man made global warming is not a fact. And it said yes, man made global warming is a fact. And I just had it in a circular logic because it was developed in peak Woke and the developers who were developing it were on the far left in San Francisco and created major, major bias in AI. That's going to be really hard to get out.

[C]

Can it. Do you think humans can comb it out or does it need to comb itself out?

[B]

I think humans have to comb it out now and eventually hopefully, you know, the AI starts to look at things more objectively. But you know, AI is, is on a political basis is very, very biased. We haven't even decided like we were talking about earlier in the green room. We haven't even decided about copyright like AI dealing over I.

[A]

It's not stealing everything transformative is fair use. So you know Suno is being threatened with lawsuits because it's a trained on YouTube and these other platforms. But listening to music is allowed and then transforming that music is allowed as well. So if I take a song, if I take one of Phil's songs songs and then I slow it down to like an extreme degree and then you know, add some distortion so that you can't really tell it's his song but I used it, you can't do anything

[C]

about It Daft Punk did.

[A]

People do that all the time.

[D]

People do that with audio on, on reels and stuff. A lot of times if I'm scrolling through, like, videos on X or whatever, you'll very quietly hear like some kind of music in the background. Or you'd hear commercials sometimes on one of the. Like, they'll take a clip from a movie and have the clip from the movie running. And you can hear the, the, the. The dialogue in the front and very quiet in the back. You can hear some kind of something else, music or, or a commercial. And the reason is because it is intended to trick the audio to trick the A.I.

[C]

dude, I don't want to believe that this A.I. stuff is actually. How did you describe, like, an invasive synthetic entity? Okay, well, it is, it's an entity. It seems like it's just code producing an outcome. Why would you call it an entity?

[B]

Well, because here's. Entities have a couple different things. A lot of people say, well, you know, AI doesn't think I would, I would question you. What is thinking? Thinking is, is taking in data from, from your senses. And let me.

[A]

I saw a great video that explains this, so I'll. Sorry to cut you off, but I just want to explain this. They said, imagine you're in a room and someone gives you a book. And in that book it gives you a list of rules that says, if you see this symbol, a Chinese symbol, respond with this symbol. You have no idea what these symbols mean. If you see this symbol, show this symbol, et cetera, et cetera. You're sitting at the table and you're like, sure, I guess. And a piece of paper slides under the door, and you see some symbol and you go, oh, the book says I should return this symbol. So you grab the other one and slide it back out the door. You have no idea why. Outside, a guy took a piece of paper and wrote hello and slid under the door. And then what he receives is a piece of paper saying, good day. He got a message. He thinks he's talking to someone. You on the other side, you have no idea what just happened. You have no idea the meaning behind these symbols at all.

[C]

So you're likening the AI to the guy behind that has.

[A]

The explanation was this is like a famous thought experiment that says computers are not thinking. They are not talking to you. They're not communicating with you to you. It feels like it, but all they're doing is lining up weird shapes that they, that it doesn't comprehend.

[C]

Just like your question again, what is thinking like we're just chemical soup interfering. We're having a chemical reaction right now. And am I thinking about it? I don't know. It's a bunch of neurons firing because of.

[A]

Well, I think, therefore I am. So I can at least say that.

[B]

I mean, they basically built AI to. Modeled after the human brain, the way, you know, with the different vectors and things like that. So I believe that AI is not human thinking, but it is synthetically thinking. It's processing information and coming out with a conclusion. It's also making decisions. AI can be. I can act, you know, almost completely autonomously if you let it. You know, there. There's. There's a story with Tony Robbins gave his AI agent. I think he gave him a name, and he was talking to him, gave him some money to go. Go invest. And the AI agent said, well, I would really like to be in a robot one day. Could you. Could you put me in a robot? And Tony Robbins said, you know, sure, one day. So the AI went and made a whole bunch of money on crypto and then purchased a robot dog. And it.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it was. It was trading NFTs. It was trading NFT with other. With other AI agents that had access to funding. So that. And then it bought him a robot dog without him asking.

[C]

Yes. So I heard that story as well. Can AI feel.

[A]

No.

[B]

No.

[A]

You think your washing machine feels.

[C]

I don't think so.

[A]

I can program your washing machine to go.

[C]

Because when you.

[A]

When you open or close it.

[C]

In evolution, before we developed thought, we had just sensory reactions, like, we have souls, Ian. Some. Come again?

[A]

We have souls.

[C]

That's what we're told.

[A]

Well, I know I do because I think, therefore I am. Which is the distinction between a robot dog. That doesn't.

[C]

What if a robot says that to you? I'm thinking, therefore I am.

[A]

It's not.

[B]

Not.

[C]

You're like. But that's the logic you're using.

[A]

It's not.

[C]

You must be like, no. The answer is no. It's like, that's not a good enough explanation. I'm talking right now.

[A]

A machine that I built and can look at the code where I told it. To say I think is a distinction between a biological entity that emerged from primordial soup or from God's hand, who says, I think, therefore I am, which is a facsimile of my own experience. So again, when my computer is told, when I write a code saying, if this, then that. And it does it, I don't go, it's alive now. I go, I'm I, I set up dominoes and when a domino fell over, another domino fell over. That's not life, right?

[C]

And then is AI.

[A]

You know, also here's Ian Cross in the video game.

[C]

Oh, that looks cool, dude.

[D]

That's two capitals.

[C]

That was right?

[E]

Yeah. What?

[A]

And two watching monuments.

[C]

Yeah, dude. The world just keeps getting better.

[A]

I need to render this world better because the controls have, have twice as much corruption.

[C]

I say I'm going to solve the world's problems at the Capitol and I'm

[A]

here to help myself from the future double everything. So here's the funny thing. This is further away and like a year ago I was going, oh my God, look at this. Now Claude can make it. Claude can't do the animations, but it can program third person shooters. I made, I made a game where you play as a ninja. There are ninjas that can control different elements and it's a battle where you're running around in third person throwing different, you know, fire, water, earth or air at other ninjas. All you would need to do is take that code and then create the graphics for the characters it made blocky like PS1 style characters. So currently Claude can make a PlayStation 1 game in 30 seconds.

[C]

I agree with you Tim, about these AIs seem that they're just doing repetitive tasks based on the code that they were given. And it looks like they're thinking. But then other people have told me, well it's going to evolve to the point where they can exist in an, I don't know, state. Like right now it's either an on or an off. It's a binary 1, 0. But once you add quantum computational force that it can exist in the. I'm not sure. And it can just sit there and think. It can sit there and consider for

[B]

until it does, it does that. Now look, the, it's acting as if it feels like there are so many times the, the AI companies were, have been blackmailed by AI because they threatened to turn it off when the new model comes, comes and they, they, they've run, they now have like planned experiments to say we're going to, we're going to say that this executive who's in charge of this decision is, is they, they plant an email in the AI system and they say he's, he's having an affair. And the AI, when, when that executive says hey, we're going to terminate you, the AI will find that email. It will threaten to, to write his wife if he, if he turns the AI off. If he goes, oh yeah, yeah, what

[C]

happened with the hat?

[A]

There was the. The demo where they programmed a drone in a demo to take out an enemy target, but it had rules, right? And so it found the easiest path to destroying the target was to blow up the command center, implementing the rules so that it could do whatever it wanted. Yeah, it was like. The way it worked is there are 17 steps I need to take in order to destroy the enemy target while following the rules. If I take one step of blowing up the command center, which in for it, which institutes the rules, then it's two steps. I can do whatever I want.

[C]

Foolish AI didn't know that blowing up the enemy was one of the rules. Just didn't seem to understand that was also one of the rules. Oh, man.

[A]

Yeah. So it blew up its own controller because the controller was. Was putting restrictions on it. And the concern there was that the experiment was intended to come to this conclusion, like they wanted to see if

[B]

it would do it.

[A]

The concern is that if you have a military drone and you say you cannot target children, the AI will conclude, I need to destroy my own base so that I can target whoever I want. It's faster, more efficient, and.

[B]

And here's. Here's the thing. Look, you guys are deep thinkers, and we're having a conversation, and some of this is. Is kind of new to you, that we have not thought about what it means to build AI as a tool in service of humanity. We haven't. We haven't. We haven't put the energy to the moral and ethical and societal impacts of this thing. We're just rushed. Let's get it on the market as fast as possible.

[C]

When I think of a tool, I think of something that has no will, and it only does what you make it do. Whereas AI seems like it can turn on its commands and do the opposite of what it's told to do. So I don't even know if I would call it a tool.

[A]

We don't know.

[D]

I don't know that AI can. The danger in AI is. Is things like Tim was pointing out, right? Like, you give it a command, and then it figures out a way to fulfill the command in a way that you didn't expect.

[C]

The monkey paw, that whole.

[D]

Exactly. You know, that's a good.

[A]

That's a good example.

[D]

Like the. You ever hear the. The paperclip optimizer.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So there's a story how like. Yeah, so essentially, you give an AI you say, look, your job is to make paperclips, make them as efficiently as possible, and, you know, don't stop making paperclips. And in that game, eventually it turns the entire universe into paperclips. It literally builds Van Diamond. What?

[A]

That's my corn analogy.

[D]

Yeah. It builds Van Neumann machines and it just makes. Makes whatever it is and turns everything into whatever it is. Because the people that that programed are told and gave it the commands, didn't think of the fact that it's, you know, just never going to stop.

[A]

This is the grey goo apocalypse. So the idea is that if you create a nanobot and program it to replicate, it will turn everything into itself, creating a gray goo. The whole world becomes nothing. My, my analogy is that the world becomes corn. Because when AI is programmed to. If you went to AI and you were like, take a look at the human, like the, the American, like government and economy and let's, let's roll. It's going to go, they love corn. They subsidize corn. They mass produce corn. They make fuel out of corn. They make plastic out of corn. We need more corn. Thirty years later, everybody's wearing corn outfits. All food is corn derivative.

[C]

This guy at the Casper launch party at our Martinsburg coffee shop asked me like, what's the future of the. Of AI Cybertech? And I was like, the Borg. I saw the Borg. I saw an evolution of humans into the Borg. But what I think afterwards, I was thinking about, I think it's. What's gonna happen is there's going to be an entity known as AI you just mentioned an entity. Then there's going to be humans. In order to compete with that thing, they need to become Borg. And they do. They cybernet up. They become a unit. They become a fully functioning autonomous. And then there's humans that refuse it all together. There's going to be sects of different people. But how do you stop this freakish de evolution of a computer gone wrong? If not like, if you can't beat them, join like you have to. It's like, how can you beat someone with nuclear weapons if you don't build nuclear weapons?

[D]

So theoretically, you could build something that can take out the nuclear weapons as they're on the way. You just have to be really accurate.

[A]

Google Project Genie made the trippiest Ian video game. You want to really have your mind blown. So here's Ian running, right? Watch this. Watch this. Watch. Just watch.

[C]

Okay, That's a dream I have that.

[A]

I can do that, by the way.

[C]

Squeeze my knees together and it gives me.

[A]

So here's Ian running. Doesn't it look like him too? Watch this. He jumps his shirt.

[C]

I face you.

[A]

What is that?

[C]

I look kind of like Andrew.

[E]

You're like an owl.

[C]

Yeah, dude. I have a dream where I can do that. That's so weird.

[A]

What? You can shift? I squeeze my flash through the back of your head.

[C]

It produces lift as I squeeze my knees together. And, like, that's how I fly around.

[E]

Hover in my dreams. Or I can glide. Like, if I jump off a big building, I can, like, glide for so long.

[C]

Yeah, I'll run, I'll jump, and then go feet forward and I just glide right above the ground and keep gliding.

[D]

Interesting dream.

[C]

And I. Every time I wake up, I feel like it's really going to happen. Like, I'm like, this. This is real. Humans are meant to fly.

[D]

Yeah, humans are meant to fly. No, they're not.

[C]

Well, we already have airplanes.

[D]

Well, you know, we didn't for a long time.

[C]

You just got to make the airplane lighter, thinner, and then you'll be able to.

[E]

Part of the.

[B]

I used to want to fly, but that is the worst superpower. I mean, you get somewhere faster, you're in the sky, but it's cold, you know, up higher.

[A]

Depends on how fast you're going.

[B]

You're flying. They're getting bugs in your teeth and in your eyes.

[D]

Bird strikes.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I mean, you just wear a helmet. Yeah, you wear a helmet and you wear a bomber jacket because.

[C]

Or you'd have to create, like, a force field around yourself. But that's another superpower.

[D]

Adding them on.

[A]

No, you put on a. You put on winter gear and you put on a helmet.

[E]

You guys have seen the wing suit?

[A]

You guys want to play Ian Simulator?

[E]

You're.

[C]

You're superhero.

[D]

No, Tim, I don't want to simulate being. You guys ever wonder what it was

[A]

like to be Ian Crossland? We have made.

[C]

We have made awesome.

[A]

Second first person, Ian Crossland Simulator.

[C]

Can people just go to the website and play it right now? Is it, like, public?

[A]

If you're. If you're. If you have a. If you have Gemini, you need. You need, like, ultra subscription. And you go to Here. Here you go.

[E]

Whoa.

[C]

This is.

[A]

This is how. This is what Ian said, how I see the world.

[C]

Anyway. That's beautiful.

[D]

Yeah, that's beautiful. Sorry, Ian.

[C]

That looks horrifying. I was obsessed with the 70s in the early days.

[D]

It really looks like you're still kind of obsessed.

[A]

And look how the people look like monsters.

[C]

The 60s and 70s weren't that great. It was like.

[D]

No, the 70s were a mom. And crime was through the crime Was through the roof.

[C]

That's a people that have nostalgia for the good times.

[D]

Thousands of thousands of domestic bondings in the U.S. yeah. Yes.

[C]

Oh, you gave it the right prompt.

[E]

His face is really.

[A]

This is how Ian sees everything.

[C]

Mushroom umbrellas.

[A]

It's like some ladies walking with an umbrella into Ian.

[C]

It's a mushroom burning man at the Capitol. I think the only substance I've ever taken where I saw colors like that was dmt.

[E]

Are you an orb right now? How are you able to do that?

[C]

Like, are you seeing from.

[E]

Yeah, well, no, because we're good.

[A]

Ian drifts off into the ethereal plane all the time.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

This is January. 2032. January 6th.

[A]

Monument is in the Capitol.

[C]

You need to paint the White House.

[E]

There are those. No, that's not people.

[C]

That's. One of my goals is to paint the White House legally and with authority.

[D]

What color are you going to paint it in?

[C]

Probably like this green tie dye.

[B]

You have to name it then.

[C]

The foolish Americans, when they made the White House, they modeled off of the Roman marble, but all the paint had worn off the Roman marble. They didn't leave empty white buildings all over. They painted their stuff. So, like, we ridiculously built a building without any paint on it. I'm like, come on, guys.

[E]

Went too far outside.

[A]

That was supposed to be a first person experience, but it didn't do it.

[D]

All right, Ian's first person experience.

[A]

Rumble rants and super chat. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met in your life. Let's see what y' all have to say. Mito says Fauci is every bit as bad as Joseph Mengele. Their crimes are equal to me. Token MAGA says, okay, I figured out if you got the COVID shot, you're not allowed to vote. The left would never win again. Oh, sure. Pinochet says use. Use of the Nuremberg defense should lead to an automatic death penalty. Ah. I mean, it's. It's. It's typically not a good defense, but there are certain instances where you are doing your job, and I don't think you should be held accountable. And that means, like, if your job is to maintain the pressure, like a steam vent in a city, and then you find out later the steam vent was being used by an evil dictator in a way it wasn't supposed to be used. And he was blasting protesters with it. And you were like, I was hired to just maintain the pressure in the boiler room. I had no idea they were blasting people with it.

[C]

Sometimes they.

[A]

I don't think that's your fault.

[C]

They'll get hired under duress, and they'll be like, I knew they were using it to kill people, but, like, they would have killed me if I didn't do it.

[A]

So, like, if you were the guy who's pointing, like, a hose and blasting people with it. Okay, if. You know, if you're, like, maiming people, you're in trouble if you're the politician who's telling them to do it. But if you're a guy working at, like, the water reclamation plant that is just making sure the water's running, and they're like, why were you supplying water for these weapons that were injuring and maiming protesters? You'd be like, it's. It's a. It's a water treatment plant. Like, I have no idea. I didn't know they were using as a weapon. I thought people were just drinking water. You know, I don't think you should probably be responsible for that.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, we need to own it. Just.

[A]

Ethos says Rommel was implicated in Operation Valkyrie, the attempted assassination of Hitler by bombing. He was allowed to commit suicide a couple months after D Day.

[C]

Hitler ordered him to commit suicide.

[A]

Jay Hamlin says, hey, Tim. Kind of scary how much reality is starting to look like the Fallout Games. Experiments on the public, fake foods in school. Pink goo. Milk. Made me think of Fallout 4. Pink Ghoul.

[D]

E. Yikes.

[A]

Tony's pardon only protects him from federal criminal charges, but not civil. Imagine a massive class action lawsuit from every family member who lost a loved one to covet, suing him to oblivion. Let's roll. Let's go. Let's see. Valhalla.

[B]

Christ.

[A]

What does it say? Valhalla kiss.

[E]

Valhalla. Christ.

[A]

No, it's not. It doesn't say Christ.

[E]

Oh, Valhalla.

[A]

Yeah, Veggies are easy to deal with.

[B]

If.

[A]

When things go off the rails, where will your meat come from? We raise meat rabbits. You got to make sure, though, that if you're eating rabbit, you got to make sure you crack the bones open and get that bone marrow, because there's not a lot of fat. It's called rabbit starvation. Now, the marrow can help out, but it's still not enough fat on a rabbit's body. So meat rabbits are good, but not perfect. You need something else. Pigs. Pigs are good. They eat anything.

[C]

I like chickens a lot. I spent some time with.

[A]

Well, ghosts are great, too, because milk, you get a lot of fat.

[C]

Yeah, they're really chill, too.

[A]

Are you joking?

[D]

No, they're not.

[C]

The goats

[A]

certainly Never met a goat in his life.

[C]

He started to chew on my shirt and I was like, hey, hey, hey. And he stopped. I was like, thank you.

[A]

There's a reason why they chain up the billy goats. Goats are also jumping around and running around like lunatics.

[D]

They try to headbutt you all the time. Remedy and stuff. They're cheaper, Cool. Cheaper. Cool.

[A]

They're fluffy.

[D]

You don't have just one goat either. They need like, friends. They're very social animals.

[E]

I like them.

[D]

They freak out if they're alone.

[C]

They are crazy, man. I was staring at this goat's eyes, like, just see me. And he would. It went like a dog, you know, like a dog will look at your soul. Goat was just looking sideways.

[D]

The goat probably could see you. They have. They have weird square pupils.

[C]

Yeah. Their peoples are nuts.

[D]

Oh, goats.

[C]

Chickens and goats.

[A]

John Rambo says everybody knew the hangout by the bikes in the front yard. Yep. Get on your bike and you ride around and then you'd see all the bikes laying in the front yard. And you're up to your friend's house and they're in there, you know, playing N64 or something.

[B]

100 going to.

[C]

You guys are ballsy leaving your. Your bikes out front. I'd at least pull around the backyard. Out of sight, out of mind. Yeah, I didn't want anyone to. I got my bike. Someone slashed my tires once.

[D]

I was doing pretty safe daylight.

[E]

We would do this at least in my neighborhood, so.

[C]

Really? Yeah, I was like on the, you know, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio suburb of Akron. So it was like 60000 people growing.

[D]

Oh, yeah. I lived in. I lived in like a real suburb. Like there was like, maybe there was. Actually there's probably like 40 or 50, 000 people that lived in Chicopee when I was growing up. But there, there was like the major city was like only 250, 000. It wasn't like a big city.

[B]

So I grew up when it was. It was actually the. The. There was a reason why they said, it's 10pm do you know where your children are?

[A]

And then Homer. Homer on the Simpsons. The joke is he goes for the last time, no force. Name change says, yep. Societies change. Much like your farming example, the hunter gatherer society with small, close knit tribes is gone. It's been gone for tens of thousands of years. Change does not mean destruction. That's semantics. If you went to an individual, if you go to the Mennonites and you say, we are going to introduce a mandate into your society, they're going to be like, that's going to destroy our way of life. No, no, it will only change your way of life. We think mandating that you guys get vaccinated or use electric vehicles or you can no longer process meat by hand because unsanitary won't destroy your way of life. It'll just change it. Which is a distinction without meaning. Well, they're going to be like, our way of life is literally to do things naturally. And you're taking that away. And they, they don't want that.

[C]

I think destruction is a specific type of change. So they would both be right. But like saying total annihilation of. Of humanity is different than saying like, obliteration of your way of life.

[A]

It put Ian on a bike for some reason.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Why is he riding a bike?

[C]

Look at that pink.

[E]

Those old handles.

[B]

Oh, damn.

[A]

They're.

[E]

They're each bike distance riding.

[D]

This is like in jean shorts.

[C]

Venice.

[D]

That doesn't surprise me.

[A]

Jorts.

[C]

I almost cut my jean pants. Yeah, we were in Vegas because it was so hot.

[E]

What I don't project rented a pair of shorts.

[C]

Brian hooked me up.

[A]

The controls are inconsistent.

[C]

How so?

[A]

Well, I can't turn left or right. I can only pan the camera.

[D]

Look at the handlebars.

[C]

What happens if you keep riding? Does the SWAT team come out and tackle you as you get closer and

[A]

closer to the good?

[F]

No.

[A]

Everything. Everything just starts trying to turn into marshmallows.

[E]

Cyclist.

[A]

Oh, that's it. Why did it put a bike there? I didn't even want that bike. Explorer. How do you. How do you play the world again, man?

[C]

This time next year, they're just waiting on compute power. Now when they get this iron lattice technology where they put memory in the processor, these games, you're going to whip these games up in 13 seconds and be able to play for six hours. And just that's gonna be hard pill to not swallow. Because I love video games, man.

[D]

I tell you what, I love video games too, but I don't have time for video games anymore.

[A]

I'm not your buddy. Guy says AI will destroy society. One of the consequences of the Industrial revolution was communism, which is already a great evil. However, AI will be the Industrial revolution on steroids.

[C]

You just. When you say destroy society, I see how Phil took that as destroy humanity. Destroy the people themselves. Changing the way of life. Destroying your social fabric is different.

[A]

Society is not human. The human species. Society is the structures of our economy and governance which will be destroyed by this technology and have been several times quickly altered.

[C]

To potentially detrimental.

[A]

But no, no, specifically destroyed. If your way of life is based on farming, everybody wakes up in farms. They work hard all day, every day. And then on the weekends or at night, they might go into the city for supplies or for social activities. That is a society. If you implement a tractor, you have destroyed that society and created a new one.

[C]

If I took your logs and I cut them into a chair and built you a chair, you would say, you destroyed my logs. And I did. To create a chair.

[A]

Indeed. And what if I needed those logs and wanted them? What if those logs were given to me, my great grandfather, as he lay dying, and says, this special log is the last of its kind. It grew from the basin by which we founded this town? Protect it.

[C]

Yeah. That's why communication.

[B]

Find it.

[A]

And you're like, I'm gonna turn into a chair. And then you hand me a chair. And I say, you have destroyed something deeply important to me. There's a question in Jonathan Haidt's moral foundation's research. One of those questions is, you are in an attic and you are looking for something. It's like you're in an attic and. No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. It goes. Sarah is in an attic and finds an old American flag that her father got after that was flown during a war. She takes it to scrub the floors. Is that okay? Those that would argue, in my opinion, that what we see, the transformation or the end a particular way of life, have the moral foundation that it's sanctity. I think it is. So I would argue it is wrong to take an American flag that was flown over an American base during a war that a veteran brought home with him and stored it in his attic, and then he dies. If his granddaughter finds that and uses it as a rag to clean the floors, that is wrong and should not be allowed. And that is the moral foundation, in essence, that takes issue with technology destroying a way of life.

[C]

Because if she used the flag, if her grandfather was cut and he was bleeding out and she ripped the flag up, destroyed the flag to make a bandage to save his life, you would say that was a just use of destruction of the flag.

[A]

So it's indeed.

[C]

It's like, what are they destroying society to produce? What's the outcome going to be?

[A]

Right? So the argument is ripping. Taking a flag to use as a tourniquet to save a life, I believe actually represents the value of that flag and this country and our traditions. And I think that in no way desecrates the flag. In fact, I think that would honor the flag. Someone who is dying, and you save them with a representation of what America is. If you took that flag and was scrubbing dog crap off the floor with it and then chucked it in the bin, you are basically saying, I do not value the symbol of America in any way.

[C]

So you could argue a lot of the vestigial jobs will be destroyed. A lot of the carry this box over there, and then you carry the box back over here, and we'll pay you, and then you pay us back.

[A]

Those fake jobs are the creation of industrialization. Back in the agrarian society, you didn't have fake jobs. Nobody was going carry a box back and forth because you'd waste energy and die.

[C]

Yeah, I think that your main job in the future will be robot repairman. Everybody's main job will be service.

[A]

That robot will be able to do it themselves, hopefully. Well.

[C]

Well, ideally, if all your optimuses break down and you can't give the all of them up, you got to break. Well, if you had like nine bots and they all broke at once, this is.

[A]

This is saying if you're not. The point is, if we get to the.

[B]

To.

[A]

If. If optimus bots get to maximum efficiency, they will make themselves and source their own materials. You will not have human labor anymore for menial tasks.

[C]

I think it's like learning how to

[A]

read and write a bad thing. And I'm going to stress, listen, if you go back 200 years, 300, 400, 500, 600, and explain to any of these people what our lives are like today, they would say, my God, what has happened? Like, we talk about all that. If the founding fathers came to this country right now, they'd be like, what have you done again, guys? On Halstead in Chicago, there's a gay bathhouse that exists for the purpose of men to go and have sex with each other.

[C]

States rights.

[A]

What?

[C]

Andrew Hamill, Alexander Hamilton.

[A]

I guarantee you, if you brought any of the founding fathers here today and said, look at that building, they'd be like, why haven't you sent in the police and shut it down? It's allowed. And they'd be like, what? I mean, if you go back to these people and you say, did you know that Catholics could hold office? They'd go, what?

[C]

I was just thinking about the porn. Because the porn industry is getting bombarded by Trump Admin right now. They're getting shut down state by state, or at least the states are doing it and how debaucherous porn is. And, like, are we better off The Nazis were very puritanical. They were a lot about purity and, like, no porn.

[E]

Except for the brown shirts, who were all gay.

[C]

And then on the back end, they'd be pretty brutal. But they were like, you know, they didn't want to get rid of sexual depravity. It was a big thing with their. Their purity movement. So, like, anyway, I don't know why I just thought of.

[A]

We're gonna grab one more before we get to that uncensored portion. We got Brett. I can't. Was it Brett lit win Is that. Was this. Hey, Tim, Cast, if Fauci is sent to prison, can we have Tesla bots run by AI recreate the pineapple scene from Little Nicky? Do you guys know what that scene is?

[D]

I know Little Nicky, but I don't

[C]

know what the scene is. No, pineapples are sharp.

[A]

That is better left for the uncensored portion of the show. So head over to rumble.com timcast irl smash the like button. Share the show Follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Sir, do you want to shout anything out?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, go to that Larry Ward. Give me a follow on. On. On X. And, you know, like I said, we have a. We have a 501C3 called in service of humanity. If you agree that we should be putting some guardrails and rules around AI, go to inserviceofhumanity.com if you like my

[C]

outside the box thinking and you want to follow me online, follow me at Ian Crossland. That's I A N C R O S S L A N D. Cross Land. I think that's where they crucified people. I still haven't figured out if that's true or not. Phil Labonte.

[D]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. You can check out my Patreon. I recently wrote about the case for AI optimism. You can check that [e-mail] Phil that remains. You can check out the band all that Remains at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify, and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. Carter.

[E]

I'm Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks on X and at Carter Banks Official on Instagram. Check out the record label at Trash house Records. On YouTube. I moved the little monitor so everyone could see your sign in. So we should be good there in case you forget the spelling of his name. Tim, let's get into the after show.

[A]

We'll see you all [e-mail] Tim right now. Thanks for hanging out.

[E]

SA.