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Tim Pool
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Tim Pool
The top story of the day. A raccoon got drunk. You may be surprised. Did you know that raccoons could get drunk? You may be asking yourself, why did I click this? I. I don't really care about a raccoon getting drunk. Well, some of you may be saying, dude, just shut up and tell me about the raccoon getting drunk. What happened? It broke into a store, stole moonshine and I guess peanut butter whiskey got plastered passed out sprawled on the Florida bathroom. And it's funny and I enjoyed the story, but I was actually shocked to find that in Google trend search as well as across all of corporate news, this is their top story. It's not a joke, but there is actually something behind this that I thought was interesting and worth opening a show with, and it's that everybody's so fried on politics, man. When the raccoon story popped up, people said, just please, for love of all this holy, give me the raccoon story. And I'll be honest with you, there was some big news today. Donald Trump suspended immigration, citizenship, and asylum applications from 19 countries. He halted the process of these ceremonies for getting citizenship. These are people who are already in the United States with legal visas that finished the citizenship process, were about to go swear their oath, and Trump was like, nah, we're not gonna do that. So there is big news. 7,000 criminals released from the jails, criminal migrants and other such things just released in New York for seemingly no reason. And we're in a massive solar storm. So the apocalypse is still here, guys. But it was interesting to see this, and I decided, you know what? At least for today, let's. We'll talk about the crazy stuff, too, but at least we'll get started talking about the raccoon and what the raccoon means. What is the message behind this raccoon story? There actually is one. We'll talk about fatigue. Everybody's fatigued, man. Seriously, everybody is fatigued. I've been having conversations. I've been out touching grass, talking to a lot of people about this, and we'll talk about what's happening in this country politically, but what the raccoon means for all of that. Before we get started, my friends, we got some great sponsors for you. We got bear skin. Check out bear skin. Bear skin 10. That's B A E R. You guys already know about the bear skin hoodie, right? Well, if you've been waiting to get yourself one, now is the time. It's officially hoodie season. Cold mornings, windy days. Surprise no one. Right now, Bearskin is running their biggest deal of the year. We're talking 60% off for this Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Now, this isn't some old fleece. This thing is built with G340GSM bearskin fleece, 10 pockets, rugged, athletic fit. That actually looks good. Plus, if it starts pouring, you can zip on the heavy storm rain jack and instantly level up to full waterproof protection. You get free US Shipping from their US Warehouse, and the gear will last you season after season. So what you got to do to get 60 off? Text TIM to 369 12. Again, that's text TIM to 369 12. They'll send you a link so you can lock it in. Click it whenever you can. But you're not just buying a great hoodie, you're also supporting the fallen outdoors and hope for the warriors veterans program. So you're not just buying great gear, you're backing a cause that matters. Grab your bear skin while this Black Friday deal is live by texting Tim to 36912 and of course my friends, I must, must, must, must shout out of course. Pool water. Have you ever thought about drinking pool water? Don't. But if you want to drink bottled water that's called pool water, you can go to Casper.com and grab some while you still can. Admittedly it's a gag product, but it's legitimately just Artesia and water, which is. It's pretty good. And we made it as a gag. Glass bottles you can buy. We got 242 left, actually. It looks like it's going to be distributed to a variety of restaurants and warehouses and may appear in some gas stations, I guess because people think it's very funny. So go to Casper.com check that out. And don't forget to support the show. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know right now. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have Raw Egg Nationalist.
Raw Egg Nationalist
It's great to be with you.
Tim Pool
Who are you? What do you do?
Raw Egg Nationalist
I am. Well, I started life as a Twitter poster and anonymously on Twitter and then my identity was revealed by some unpleasant left wing activists in the uk. I write about health and fitness. I was the star of the 2022 Tucker Carlson documentary the End of Men about testosterone decline. And now I have written a book that sort of follows on from the documentary called the Last Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity, which is about testosterone decline as a political problem. And I think it is a big political problem indeed. Interesting.
Tim Pool
Well, it should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. We got Tate hanging out.
Tate Brown
What is going on? Guys, It's Tate Brown here holding it down. I'm privileged to be here at the Raw Nationalist, the longtime follow. So it's super sick that he's here in the studio and I'm ready to talk about this raccoon. Brett, how are you doing?
Brett Dasovic
I'm very excited to talk about the raccoon. You can make everything political these days. It's a lot harder to make a drunk raccoon political. Maybe that's the benefit for all this. Guys, it's Brett, if you don't know. Normally doing Pop Culture Crisis. Monday through Friday at 3pm we are off this week we Will be back again Monday next week. But, Phil, how you doing?
Phil Labonte
Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's get into it.
Tim Pool
Here's the big news from the New York Times. Actually, it's not just the New York Times. A drunk raccoon passed out in the bathroom of a Virginia. Virginia liquor store. Don't worry, it's okay. Seriously. The New York Times and the Associated Press. Raccoon goes on drunken rampage in Virginia liquor store and passes out on bathroom floor. That's literally the story. There's nothing else to read. Here's the Guardian. Drunk raccoon found passed out in Virginia liquor store. There's the image of the drunk raccoon. It's funny. Here's the BBC. Drunk raccoon found passed out on liquor store floor after breaking in. And it drank booze and then passed out. And then, of course, we have the Washington Post. Drunk raccoon passes out in bathroom after ransacking VA liquor store. And then of course, we have Google trends showing that while there are stories above drunk raccoon, you've got athletic, Real Madrid, they're always doing well. But it's. It's spiked in the trends and dropped off quickly. Leeds United vs Chelsea. Spiked in the trends and dropped off quickly. Eldon Campbell, sad story. Spiked and then declined. Yet drunken raccoon, Virginia liquor store spiked several times and is slowly going up.
Tate Brown
It's here to stay.
Tim Pool
The people demand drunken raccoon. And I will just give you the quick gist of the story. It entered a liquor store through the roof, wreaking havoc, drinking rum, moonshine and peanut butter whiskey. It got drunk even some vodka, crawled into the bathroom where it plopped face down drunk and was found sleeping. That's it.
Brett Dasovic
Have they made AI videos of the raccoon yet? Because those are going to be coming out in short order.
Tim Pool
This is our future.
Brett Dasovic
Yes.
Tim Pool
So I'll go ahead.
Tate Brown
No, I mean, I was just saying I think this is like one of the most impactful stories, I think, of the year. I mean, we were discussing pre show a lot of the philosophical implications here. I mean, this is a very false character, very powerful. I mean, this is a creature at the end of a civilizational rope. This is someone that is yearning for.
Tim Pool
Horizons and it's a metaphor for men today. You know, the raccoon, a symbol of wild strength and viciousness, reduced to a drunkard sleeping on the floor, weak, frail and Impotent.
Tate Brown
I mean, this is like.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, this is my wheelhouse.
Tate Brown
Yeah. Yeah.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Drunken raccoons.
Tate Brown
Yeah. It's unbelievable. Unbelievably power.
Brett Dasovic
Do you think it's spiking? Why do you think it's spiked the way.
Tim Pool
Well, I mean, it's a hilarious story.
Brett Dasovic
So you think it is. It's like, literally, you can't get away from politics. And anything you want to talk about movies, it can be made about politics, video games, politics, you want to go with the weather, even that's politics. Now it's harder to politicize drunken raccoon unless something bad happens to him, like peanut.
Tim Pool
Well, I mean, there's a, There's a very, very simple and obvious reason why this story. There's, there's two big picture reasons why the story is going viral and why it is one of the, if not the top story right now is not a joke. And, you know, that doesn't mean we, we always would do something like leading off the show talking about a drunken raccoon. We were going to lead off with like, the immigration stuff and Trump suspending immigration. This matters to those who care about policy and function of government, but there is something bigger here that matters more to everybody who actually does care about function of government. That is no one else does. And they're increasingly walking away from you. So I've had many conversations recently. More and more people are telling me things like, I used to watch the news all the time, but I just turned it off. It's the same thing all day, every day. So what happens? It's a funny story. People want to. People are curious, like, wait, what happened? So they look for it. More importantly, as Brett's mentioning, you can't make it political. It's not. You can't. It can't really be. Someone's going to be like, well, the issue with Virginia is they have these ABCs.
Brett Dasovic
Conservation laws are really.
Tim Pool
Yeah, but the point is Trump's so.
Phil Labonte
Bad that this raccoons are drunk.
Tim Pool
This, this story is the top story with 50,000 searches. That's it. Real Madrid has 200,000, but again, that spiked and then dropped off. 50,000 searches in is nothing. So what? That, that, that's. That indicates two big things. Culturally, we don't care about the same things anymore. In the United States, everyone cares about some random things. A micro community, some random subculture. No one's paying attention to big picture stuff anymore. Again, the story is funny, but also, politics is cooked. Not just because we're in the back of, you know, the back year of a presidential election, but because for the past decade, literal decade, every day it's been like someone standing next to you screaming Trump at the top of their lungs, and people have begun to tune out and just say, I don't care anymore. There's nothing you can say.
Brett Dasovic
Well, it's like the boy that cried wolf with a lot of it. For most of the time, you're hearing that it's the end of the world from everyone. And you can only hear that so many times before. You're just like, look, you said that yesterday and I'm still here. This is funny.
Phil Labonte
Maybe, maybe this is a white pill, right? Like people are saying, you know what? I don't care about the terrible thing that people are upset about, you know, on the Internet today. Maybe this is like my chance to read a story that has some levity. It's silly, it's funny, and it gives me some respite from what has been a year full of people having an absolute terrorist about Donald Trump.
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Brett Dasovic
Yeah.
Tim Pool
This means that, you know, normally when, when Ozzy died, you had 10 million searches because that was something impactful culturally, that we were all uniform, like everybody knew Ozzy. So everybody was like, what just happened? We don't have shared culture anymore. So even though this is the biggest story, it's the lowest common denominator. If the New York Times says we need clicks, if they write a Trump story, they're not going to get clicks. People are either saying I don't care anymore or your opinion about Trump is wrong. But the raccoon 50,000. This is the, this is the death of American media. I think, you know, one of the reasons we focused very heavily on memberships is because this is something I've been predicting for a while, that volume based media is cooked. If you want to run a company and you want to make money to pay your employees, you need actual paying members. If you're going to try and operate off ad sales and volume, it's not going to happen moving forward.
Brett Dasovic
Well, even views wise, if you're talking about that type of. When you said when Ozzy died, who else died around that time? I don't remember if that was Michelle Trachtenberg, but we covered. There was like three or four deaths that all happened around that. We covered them each day on the show to varying degrees of, you know, volume of people watching the clips after the fact. And the Michelle Trachtenberg one did really, really well because it fell in line with what our channel covers. We cover less music. So like you said, everybody's kind of sectored themselves off into their own little corners of the Internet. And so you don't have great volume on a ton of other things because everybody's looking for something very, very specific to a niche group of people.
Tate Brown
Yeah, I mean this has been described by like some cultural commentators as the monoculture of the 20th century where I mean, because you had mainstream institutions, mainstream media institutions, so people generally were all on the same page with what sort of media they were intaking. Obviously the radio, the movie theaters, that sort of thing. The Internet comes along and democratizes everything. No one is on the same page. We can't create stars anymore. So there's no touch points for people. And that's how you just get further and further atomization on media intake. There's no stars. We can't create stars anymore.
Raw Egg Nationalist
All that's all that's left is small furry animals.
Tim Pool
Yeah, the lowest common denominator. So I was talking about this the other day. I did a Tim Pool show podcast on brutalism. There's this great video where Shehan Quirk talks about how you've got this great architecture along the Thames river with these, like, fish around these lamp posts and everyone gathered around and stood in awe.
Raw Egg Nationalist
And.
Tim Pool
And they all had a contest and now they just build black posts. They're ugly LED posts.
Raw Egg Nationalist
And.
Tim Pool
And why do we have big gray blocks? It's exactly why we have drunk raccoon. To be fair, I like drunk raccoon. It's funny. But the reason why your McDonald's no longer has a play place, the reason why Pizza Hut no longer has its stylized structure and is a gray block strip mall delivery project is because the people who come to this country, the 53 million migrants, do not share your values. And so if a company says, I want to sell as much product as possible, they have to cater to the community. So McDonald's, what do they do? They build a play pace, a play place. They put a grimace because they want the kids to be like, I want to go to McDonald's. Well, people don't have kids anymore. Then what happens? Well, if they made American flag McDonald's, the immigrants who show up aren't going to be enticed by that. So they say, then just reduce cost across the board. What happens? Big gray blocks instead of beautiful Roman architecture. Because no one's going to vote to approve a style of art that is not part of their traditional culture or their worldview. Drunken raccoon is appealing to liberals and Democrats alike. I'm sorry, Liberals and conservatives alike. So when they run this story, everybody clicks it. If they run a story about Trump, no matter what, they will get heat for it. So this is your lowest common denominator news, and it's not even getting that much attention, despite it being the biggest story it's getting. I do want to be fair. Welcome to the end of the year. Thanksgiving just happened. We have two weeks of work left and everybody is counting the days and staring at the calendar.
Tate Brown
Yeah, it's like Cuban eel. Everyone's just waiting to talk out.
Brett Dasovic
I thought a big part of the reason why all of the stores look the same now is because they want to be able to sell that real estate if the store goes out of business. Right? Like the. Like when you sit. When you sell a Pizza Hut now and some other businesses there, you know exactly what used to be there. Before it lowers the resale fee for the, for the, for the land. Right.
Tim Pool
There's a bank out here that's a daycare center.
Brett Dasovic
Yeah.
Tim Pool
And where, where like the, they, they built the playground under the drive through bank teller thing because it's covered and you can tell it's a bank.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Phil Labonte
I mean the, the economy always wins.
Tim Pool
Yeah.
Phil Labonte
If, if you can, can make sure that your building is resaleable, that's going to be the, the motivating factor for everything. I think that there is, there is validity to the fact that there are fewer children. But I mean you go to I Chick Fil A a couple weeks ago and there was a playground built into it. So it was, it was indoors, it wasn't like the outside one. So I imagine you could pull it down and still, you know, use the, the space for something. But you know, I think that it's more about keeping the, the value of the real estate than anything else.
Tate Brown
This, and this story also, I think because it's for an American audience is really shocking. But like I was recently in Glasgow in Scotland. If you walk down Sakiel street there, you will see animals, humans, all sorts of creatures plastered all over there. Like, like, like what do you call, like police sketches, like murder sketch. So I think this is really jarring for an American audience, but I think maybe for the international audience this wouldn't resonate. They're like, I see this every day. This is called being from Glasgow.
Brett Dasovic
See, this is. This should be turned into a movie right here. We should get a drunk raccoon, like liveaction adult animation.
Tim Pool
AI is here, brother.
Brett Dasovic
It's going to happen.
Tim Pool
Someone can easily just make the trailer for you right now.
Raw Egg Nationalist
There must be security camera footage. Yes.
Tim Pool
Well, I mean, have they not released.
Brett Dasovic
Well, there's always those bears, like, there's always the videos like the bears that break into convenience stores and like get into the food and stuff like that.
Tate Brown
We need to see what the police response was like. I mean, did they rough up this raccoon?
Brett Dasovic
Real question.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Tim Pool
Shall we actually talk about news though?
Phil Labonte
Sure, why not?
Tim Pool
So we got the story from Yahoo. It's actually a republish from Ms. No one watching. Democrats shouldn't celebrate losing in Tennessee.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Why?
Tim Pool
Yes, just the other day Afton Bain lost and Matt Van Epps won in the special election in, in, in Tennessee by 9 points. And the Democrats are celebrating because in 2024 this was an R +22 district. And now people are saying, you see, this shows the weakness of the MAGA base and stronghold which is being ripped asunder. They're wrong and they're stupid, but at least I'll give them this. MAGA is absolutely getting torn apart, ripped to shreds. And you know, that being said, Turning Point USA just came out and formally addressed Candace Owens who then said that she's going to, she'll debate them or whatever. And I'm like, you see, this is the problem, I guess this is the, the, the coalition is crumbling. But that being said, Matt Brainard has an excellent post breaking this down where he says the media will make a big deal about how much closer the Tennessee 7 Special Special was in the presidential as some kind of referendum. But this is fundamentally dumb. Don't fall for it. What he basically says is that in 2024, a longtime incumbent ran with zero primary Mark Green and outspent the Democrat 2.2 million to 1.2 million. He won by 21.5% in the 2024 presidential election. In the district, effectively zero money was spent by either presidential campaign and Republicans were energized in a state they were always expected to win. In this special election, basically what he's saying is Democrats dumped tons of money into it and Republicans barely paid attention. They expected to win, they didn't care that much. And Democrats had nothing else to focus on. So they focused heavily on spending money to try and rip down the slim Republican majority. But in the end, the Republicans still win. And the expectation is going into 2026 when you have an energized base, a then incumbent and a lot more money. No one is going to spend money in this district. The point being it is safe red. Even when Democrats invested, they still lost. Sure, it shifted leftward because they were trying, but come 2026, they're going to focus on swing districts and this ain't one of them. This is safe red. So this is not a referendum, referendum, referendum on anything. But can't seem surprised Democrats are all celebrating. It's not just about claiming a victory. It's about telling their base they can win and trying to keep them energized by for 2026. So what my response to Matt is Democrats know full well it's a meaningless victory. What they want is a moral victory where they can claim, guys, we are gaining ground. Let's get energized for 2026. And then the question is for everybody, who's going to win in 2026?
Phil Labonte
I mean, well, I still think that it, it depends on the economy, right? Like if, if the economy is doing well, then Republicans can win. That's not, they're not a shoo in, because of just historically in the, you know, the follow up to a national campaign or a presidential campaign where the one party wins, the other party does better. If the economy is not doing good, the Republicans are going to get trounced. And I don't think that there's, there's a whole lot of like, this isn't some kind of like brilliant insight. This is a pretty obvious, you know, situation.
Brett Dasovic
So based on your analysis of it, do you think that then this worked for the Democrats in their favor, that their audience will believe that this should energize them going into 2026 because they can give this very simple narrative that they made inroads here despite the fact that obviously what you're saying or what the, the guy who wrote that article was saying is saying, that it's not that simple.
Tim Pool
I would say that Democrats like Candace Owens rely on an ignorant audience base that won't actually look into evidence and will just blindly believe what they're told. So instead of actually looking at the data, looking at the spend like Matt Brennan is pointing out, they just say, wow. And it works. It really, really does. You'll get, you'll get a, you'll get a massive base and your lowest common denominator is going to be seventh grade reading level and lower. So if your lexicon is a bit too verbose for these people, they're going to avoid your content as they can't understand what it is you're trying to convey.
Brett Dasovic
Well, I'm the seventh grade reading level here, so that's right.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Me too for that.
Tim Pool
And don't forget, reading comprehension doesn't just mean the size of the words or their obscurity. It also means your, your ability to understand what it is you're actually reading.
Phil Labonte
Yeah, I mean like I said, it's, it's lowest common denominator frequently wins. So, you know.
Tim Pool
Indeed.
Tate Brown
Yeah.
Brett Dasovic
What, at what point do you start worrying going into 2026 economically like I'm.
Tim Pool
Worried now because Republicans suck.
Brett Dasovic
Yeah.
Tate Brown
Yeah.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Trump needs to stop saying things like affordability is a hoax.
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
Raw Egg Nationalist
That really does need stop holding and.
Brett Dasovic
Stop holding up the stock market as an indicator of.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Exactly.
Brett Dasovic
It's not working for the base.
Tate Brown
You have some like really odd indicators that are like that are showing the morale of the United States is really poor right now. For one, I think it was a Business Insider had an article that said 33% of people between 25 and 34 expect to lose their job in the next year if you have a third of your young people just expecting to lose their job for and they gave a variety of reasons. The main one was just that the job would be redundant.
That's not good for morale. Young people need to be able to invest in things and expect that they're going to get a return out of it.
Phil Labonte
Do you think that that is because of a lot of AI hype, mixture.
Tate Brown
Of AI hype and immigration. I would say those are the two things and also I think they see that look, a lot of these companies just lay off people seemingly at random all the time and typically replace them with H1.
Tim Pool
P.S. this is 270 to win the 2026 House election. Yeah, I'm sorry, like Tennessee 7 is not. It's safe red. There's no expectation that anything, no one's going to spend money in there. However, you take a look at a bunch of these other districts that are toss ups. This is where Democrat money is going to go and that's where we don't know exactly what will happen. And Democrats do have an opportunity to take the majority. Right now Republicans are favored just in size 209 of likely victories to Democrats 206. But there are 20 toss ups which means Democrats could absolutely win. And the problem is there's a handful of issues that matter. The first and most important is the cost of living. Republicans are viewed more favorably than Democrats. But Donald Trump is going on TV and saying grocery prices aren't up. They literally are up quite a bit and it's terrifying. And if Trump and the Republicans are going to play the game of I'm going to plug my ears and say no over and over again, you're not convincing the working class dad who literally went to the grocery store yesterday and is spending $800 a week when you say they're not up, grocery prices are down, he's going to be like, are you insane? And then to be honest, so long as Democrats just keep shrieking about the color of their skin or who they want to bang, that that poor working class guy is going to be like, I don't even know. I guess I'll vote for Republicans. But some Democrats in the congressional districts, they've already had this postmortem report where they said you need to shift on this message if swing Democrats go heavy into economics and Republicans aren't Democrats win.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Well, that's.
Brett Dasovic
Weren't they saying that's why Mamdani did as well as he did because he stayed on message as far as the economy so if they can do that, if they can get out of their own way and actually focus on things that matter rather than race and gender, then it feels like it would be very easy for them to.
Phil Labonte
It should be those. Those can be tertiary issues. They can talk to, you know, minority groups, you know.
Tate Brown
Oh, hey.
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Phil Labonte
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Tim Pool
And they don't.
Phil Labonte
No, they don't.
Tim Pool
And not only that, the base wants a lot more. The base wants immigration enforcement. They're getting an arrest of corrupt Democrats and it's not being delivered upon. The immigration stuff for the most part is actually, you know, C plus B minus pretty good. But that's the base. That's the politicals. That's the esoteric. These aren't the people who are reading stories about, you know, drunk raccoons on a bathroom floor. Those people are just like, oh, yeah, there's no. Obviously the raccoon had to steal the booze. He couldn't afford it anymore.
Tate Brown
Yeah, it's expensive Indeed, the highest IQ among us saw the story a day earlier and then we passed that along to our journalist friends and said, the raccoon story.
Tim Pool
Yeah, I did see it. I didn't care. And, and now it's reached again. I will stress like, it is actually pretty scary when 50,000 searches is the fourth biggest search for trending stories. It used to be millions every day, used to be hundreds of thousands on small trends. It's a combination of no one, no one uses Google anymore. They're shifting to all the different eyes for search. But that is derivative. It's not actually linking you to the source material. So it just looks to me like culture is completely bifurcating. And I will give you my projection with. You know, we talked about it last night in the members Only show with Nick Freitas because he, he contested my assessment when I said, if Donald Trump were to suspend habeas corpus, we are, we, we are on the same track as 1861. And he said, Absolutely not. Because seven states had already seceded at that point. My, my rebuttal was that more than seven states have already violated federal law by allowing illegal immigrants and utilizing that to seize federal power.
Phil Labonte
Yeah. It is worth noting that back in the, you know, before the Civil War, there was still kind of the general idea that states could secede. Right. Like the, the, when the Constitution was signed, they said, well, we're going to join this country. And it was kind of a given that if they felt like they wanted to leave that they were, they would be allowed to.
Tim Pool
And my point was what where we are at right now with the election of Zoran Mamdani in New York, we already saw, right. When he got elected, something like 40,000 people and businesses had fled New York City. The already half a million left over the past several years from Manhattan, specifically New York has, I believe, around 11 congressional districts. And you had back in 2018, Crowley v. AOC. And Crowley was your neolib, typical, you know, urban liberal, fat incumbent. And AOC was the progressive upstart. When she won, she moderated quite a bit. She's still a lefty, she's still pretty far left. But she pulled back on certain issues that resulted in criticism from the far left. AOC is now the moderate for the district because the conservative leaning individuals are all fleeing. Now all that's left is left and far left, which means when left and far left compromise, you get further left than aoc. So what, what is it now? They're talking about primarying. Who is it? Hakeem Jeffries.
Phil Labonte
Maybe things are.
Tim Pool
Where is he? He's in New York. Right?
Tate Brown
In Brooklyn.
Tim Pool
He's in Brooklyn, Yeah. There's talk of a socialist candidate primary, Hakeem Jeffries, and he's the leader of the Democratic Party in the House. So they want to. What's going to happen is as more conservative leaning people flee blue districts, those blue districts will become communist explicitly. They will send members of Congress to D.C. who are explicit communists. They will then vote for communism and you are going to have this increasing polarization where in, in the federal Congress, if Democrats win, they are going to vote for outright communist law. That's going to result in Nebraska being like, no way will we abide by that federal law. That's insane. That's what geographic hyperpolarization is doing. And the danger with Democrats winning in 2026 is not just that Trump gets impeached, it's that you're actually going to have probably around 20% of the Democrats that come in being overt socialists and pushing bills and laws that will burn this country to the ground. And to avoid the, the analogy innuendo, I will literally say they will enact policies that will extract value from the economy, that will drive up the national debt, disincentivize workers, mass incentivize mass immigration, which will displace low skilled workers. Then they'll enact large minimum wage guarantees which will destroy small businesses and you will get a depression like that. And then everyone starts fighting.
Phil Labonte
Yeah. I mean, I don't imagine that Donald Trump is gonna be signing bills that the Democrats put on his desk, but I do think that in the next election, the next presidential election, if a Democrat wins and the Democrats still have control of the House and Senate, you're gonna see serious bad policy that will get instituted. Like the Democrats still wanna see Medicaid for all. And you're $30 trillion in debt in this country.
Brett Dasovic
And there's.
Phil Labonte
There, there is no way we can afford that. And if you implement that policy, it will destroy the value of the dollar.
Brett Dasovic
And there's a lot of Hollywood donors right now that are pushing on, get more for Gavin Newsom, even more, despite the fact that he's made Hollywood pretty much untenable for them, policy wise. And he's going to, he would be one of those candidates that would be able to put those types of policies into effect and it would be hard for Republicans to push back if they lose the House and the Senate.
Phil Labonte
Yeah. Just the fact that they would have the control of the House means that just like Tim was saying, impeachment stuff the entire time. There will be nothing that will get done. People will blame the Republicans because they're going to say, oh, well, Donald Trump didn't get anything done. He was in office for four years. And it only makes it more likely that the Democrat wins in 2030.
Brett Dasovic
Well, and people are kind of. They have an issue with Republicans right now because they feel like they can't get their crap together. Right. They feel like everybody's fighting with one another and nobody's presenting united front and everybody's off on these side quests when they're not focusing on the things that they should be.
Tate Brown
Yeah. And the Democrats, they're really good. They're much better than Republicans at building up political capital and then spending it in various places. The Republicans don't really understand this. The Democrats understand that, hey, you can just battery farm foreigners in your country until you have the voter base to then push across the finish line. Stuff like Medicare for all. Because all of this policy that they've been pushing over the last few decades, they had to wait till Obama to really start pushing. All the Obama agenda policy was being discussed in the 1980s, but they had to wait. They had to wait until they had the political capital built up to then cash in and start passing a lot of these different things. And so that's exactly what's happening again. They need to, they need to get back in control. It's going to, it's not going to be like day one where it's just going to be like they're going to be spraying and praying that they can keep the border open. That allows them to rebuild the political capital they need to then spend on various nightmarish projects.
Tim Pool
The big question, though, is, is the right unified? We have the story from Mediate. Charlie Kirk, producer, hits back at Candace Owens, accusing her of inciting harassment of those close to him. Now, it is a bit, I don't know, drama to be talking about people instead of policy and politicians and not so much the politicians, but what they're doing. But Turning Point did formally respond for the first time. And the reason this story matters, it's not so much the people, it's are the right. Is the right fractured? And I'll tell you this right now, the libertarians are already pissed at Trump and now MAGA is in internal wars following the death of Charlie Kirk. There are people fighting each other left and right. Marjorie Taylor Greene was unendorsed by Trump, then announced her resignation. Then when Mike Cernovich tweeted at her, you need to serve your full term. She tweeted at him in the weirdest way being like men telling women to get in the kitchen and make a sandwich. And it's like actually he's telling you to serve Congress. I think it's kind of the opposite. But she's snapping off. And now Candace Owens, of course, with the tweet she put out yesterday saying to demand a refund. Refund from the quote, godforsaken organization that is Turning Point usa. Everything is being ripped apart. It is creating a prime opportunity for Democrats to win because Democrats don't suffer these kinds of bifurcations. They're cultists. That, that's how they're defined by, by their obedience to each other.
Brett Dasovic
Don't forget all of your favorite right wing influencers being exposed as being from India on X like last week, were.
Tim Pool
They not only from India, but being paid by these, these, these, whatever this weird stuff is. So we have this, this video. This is from the Charlie Kirk show and we'll play for you here. This is actually the Tweet is Mikey McCoy says not all that's done. The name of truth and justice promotes truth and accomplishes justice. Thankful for the incredible Blake s. Neff and Dr. Frank Turek on the show today. I'll be happy to address all of this in the live stream with you guys. And here's the video.
Turning Point USA Representative
We wanted to use this segment at the top of this hour to say something important, something very important. For the past two and a half months, there is a topic that has flooded our freedom inbox. It has been nonstop on social media, but which we have almost totally avoided on this show. You probably already know what I'm talking about. Which shows just how ubiquitous it has been ever since Charlie's murder. Candace Owens has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point usa, people at Turning Point Action and people who work for this show. She's made them against some of Charlie's closest friends and against some of his most dedicated employees. She has suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died and stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie. She suggested Michael is not his real name. It is. I have seen his birth certificate myself. She has called it suspicious that Mikey's wife, who works at Turning Point, helped plan the campus tour event where Charlie was murdered. Which she didn't, by the way. She doesn't work on campus events. Candace has suggested the Utah Valley University event was unusual and its details suggested a quote Unquote, inside job. She has claimed that foreign aircraft have followed Erica Kirk around the country and that Turning Point has lied about this happening. She has accused us of lying about Charlie wanting Erica to take over for him if he died. She has suggested Charlie's security team intentionally denied him first aid after the shooting to ensure that he died. She has raised suspicions about the head of our technical team because he took an SD card out of a camera. She has spread absurd claims that Tyler Bowyer, who we just had on the show, sexually abuses male interns. She has suggested that TPUSA Faith affiliated pastors like theologian Frank Turek, who we'll have on in a moment, and Pastor Rob McCoy, are part of a military, quote, infiltration of Turning Point, either because they are veterans or because they have family members who are, even if not everyone has been named. Specifically, though, Candace has effectively tarred everyone here with complicity in Charlie's death by repeatedly saying he was, quote, betrayed by, quote, everyone. She has said Charlie's murder, quote, had to be approved by Charlie's friends and then suggested those friends might have her murdered too for, quote, knowing the truth. She has made claims of financial impropriety and fraud at Turning Point, adding up into the millions of dollars, which is not true. Charlie made sure the organization was audited by a third party every year. He personally reviewed and he signed off on every expense report and literally every single bill paid by the organization down to a single United States dollar. We have never missed a 990 deadline. Candace has made other stranger allegations involving French paratroopers in maroon shirts, Egyptian Air Force planes flying out of Provo, Utah, and potential underground assassins traveling through unseen tunnels. At one point in early November, she started wildly throwing suspicion on members of Utah Valley's soccer team for wearing hoodies. I could go on. There is always something new coming up and none of it ever pans out because from the start, there has been nothing there. The attacks and allegations from Candace are either lies or they are innuendos thrown around with a total reckless disregard for the truth so that Candace can manipulate and string along an audience of people who don't realize they are being played instead of being able to grieve properly after one of the most heinous murders in American history. A murder many of us had to witness. My friends have had to endure harassment from people who have gotten whipped up by what Candace is saying. In fact, I would say we have suffered more harassment from these people than we have from antifa supporters who overtly celebrate Charlie's murder and just Like a lot of those antifa members, many of these people take this delight in how gross and unpleasant they can be. What our friends have had to endure is not funny and it's not insignificant. It is evil. I have seen it for months. We have received hundreds, thousands, I suspect, emails and calls asking us to respond. People have wanted us to invite Candace on the show, but for a long time our approach was to say nothing. We did that for several reasons. First, we. First we thought that her prevarications were so absurd that nobody would believe them. We shouldn't have to answer questions about secret tunnels or Egyptian Air Force planes. That sort of thing is just. It's beneath contempt to respond to. The second reason we've said so little, though, is because there's a good rule of thumb, which Charlie followed. Do not feed the trolls. Focus on the mission, reviving America, uplifting young people, making heaven crowded. Don't give air to people who want to tear you down. And so discord. Lastly, we didn't respond because.
Charlie always viewed Candace as a friend, and we were holding out hope that she would return that friendship and stop what she was doing. But a week from now, it's going to be three months since Charlie's murder. Candace has not changed her behavior. She has continued to spread falsehoods about Charlie's friends, and she continues to concoct new ones about new people. She's using these falsehoods to enrich herself while dividing the conservative movement at an absolutely critical time for this country. And far too often, we here have heard from ordinary people, people who loved Charlie and who Charlie loved so much in return. These people have expressed the worry that we are staying silent out of cowardice or as some sort of tacit admission that some of the attacks are true. Neither is the case. Our silence has never been, and it will never be equal to complacency or approval. Still, we decided Charlie would not allow this to go on. Charlie was not a coward. Charlie was a fighter. Charlie would not allow someone to spread lies about the people closest to him with impunity. And he would feel ashamed if other people were stepping up to defend his friends while he never did so himself.
Candace has mentioned several times that the ball is in our court. So here's what is going to happen. In the near future, there will be a live stream here in Phoenix where we address in a clear and comprehensive way the claims and accusations, the false accusations that have been made against Charlie's family, friends and the people here at Turning Point. We plan to walk through everything Carefully and thoroughly. If Candace is available, we would sincerely welcome her participation in that livestream at our studio here in Phoenix. At this point, we believe the ball is back in her court. Our motivation for doing this is not out of any obligation to Candace. It is about honoring Charlie. We feel a deep responsibility to protect his legacy, his work, and the truth. I feel that I owe Charlie everything in my life. I feel it immensely. And that is why we feel compelled to speak clearly and openly now. We'll have more on this in the near future.
Tim Pool
Is entirely possible that moving into this election season, we saw this with the Ron DeSantis fracturing the conservatives Trump base fracturing. Some were saying Trump's gotta return. Some were saying Ron DeSantis is the guy. Before Trump announced he was coming back, I said I liked Ron DeSantis would probably support him. This is like 2022. Then Trump announced he was coming back, and I said, he's improved. He's got better demeanor, better behavior. And DeSantis really flubbed it. Still, there is this fracture that exists, but it's like there's like a tacit alliance between those who are just traditional conservatives supporting DeSantis getting behind Trump. Even though I don't really like him, I think by the time the midterm comes around, the strong probability, everyone's back on the same page because the Democrats are gonna be coming out with insane policies that we'll all find ourselves at odds with. However, as of right now, everything is fractured. And I do think. I think Turning Point has, to a certain degree, some responsibility. Not nearly to the degree that Candace Owens does, but. And responsibility in. They don't have what Charlie had. Charlie is gone. And without Charlie.
You lose what made Turning Point and what built this coalition. So when I say responsibility, I just mean like an organization without its captain is not going to do as well. And there already are divisions forming. That is, and take for it whatever you will, the issues that we've had with Turning Point, where, you know, we're not going to be there for whatever reason, they've asked us to come back. It's not possible at this point. We have. We have other commitments. Then you have Candace Owens, who is doing everything in her power to destroy Turning Point, which is the principal unifying force, though it has faltered a little bit. This division exists. There are people I see on social media saying there's no division on the right. Magazine unified. The left is trying to sow division. Oh, it is. It is. It is fried. It is ripped. The Sun. I mean, Tucker Carlson Versus you know, the, the, the, the, the, the Babylon Bee guys and the Megyn Kelly thing they posted. There's no unified right at all. It is now a disparate faction of various anti left like non left groups and whether they come together around their, their candidates I don't know. What I can say is there's. I know my rep. So when the midterm comes up I already know who I'm voting for. Right. Riley Moore is fantastic and has nothing to do with whatever it is that's going on here. So that might not speak to the midterms in the same way, but there may be a lot of people that can't get behind the same candidates and this division can.
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Tim Pool
In people staying home?
Phil Labonte
Yeah, absolutely. I mean if people are. If people feel like there's no kind of unified voice on the right, they're definitely not going to go out to vote. It's hard enough to get them to vote in in the off. You know, the off terms anyways. You know.
Brett Dasovic
Do you think some of this is because I don't follow the story? I don't but it's crazy because my XV is just full of people talking about this and I just, I don't have any interest in following along with Candace Owens stuff. Is it can. Is it kept to the. To Twitter to X? Is this the type of thing where it's it's not going to make its way into the world.
Tate Brown
No, it's.
Tim Pool
It's everywhere. It's everywhere. And I think like Candace tweeted at tweeted at me earlier and this is what she does. Some account took a took a quote from Tim cast IRL out of context. Where we were discussing Candace owens reportedly makes $10 million per year. That's what Fortune said. And the greater context for you guys watching, you already know this because you watch the show was that does she really make 10 million? Well, based on the views that she gets, she does one show that gets like 2 million views. We do a bunch of smaller shows. If we did one show, maybe it would be 60, 70% of the size of hers. We make more than 10 million. I think Candace probably makes more than $10 million. That was the context in that statement I mentioned. Some people are obsessed with status. They'll bot. I didn't say she did. They took it out of context. Cut out the beginning where I literally say she doesn't bought she has a mass appeal so that she could then or not so that but that then she takes it. And they're offering money now for proof that we bought. She is and of course, she didn't actually tweet Tim Pool does thing or she she uses vagaries. Because as I explained earlier this morning, a politician can't come out and say if you vote for me, I will do thing to Social Security. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All of a sudden you've got 775,000 people in your district and 100,000 are saying, what do you mean you're going to change the scheduling for Social. You can't do that. That's going to screw me up. So how do you do it? You say, vote for me and I will fix Social Security. Ask me how. How will I fix it? You don't know. The first thing I'm going to do when I get in there is I'm going to go to these politicians and tell them, you stop messing with it. You my people need their Social Security. It needs to be fixed for the younger generation, for the older generation. You don't actually say anything. Otherwise people get mad. If you keep it as vague as possible, then people fill the gaps in themselves.
Phil Labonte
That's what President Obama did with the hope and change. That phrase was plastered everywhere and everybody that saw it, internalized it and decided what hope and change meant to them. Yep. And there was no actual message from.
Raw Egg Nationalist
The the Obama administration like Kamala Harris forward. Yeah. What does that mean.
Tim Pool
Yeah, it's because we're dealing with the lowest common denominator society. So right now, another thing that I explained, as I explained in great detail why Candace is not botting, is that you can choose to diversify your content and try and find things that are appealing because politics is boring. Hey, the raccoon story, to be honest, our view, our concurrent viewership is lower today from choosing to do that. But I don't care. I thought it was funny. And, you know, I mean, it is what it is. We talked about it before the show. I said, if we do the raccoon thing, we're not going to as many viewers, but, you know, it's funny, and we should talk about it because it matters. But Candace is going the other route, as vague as possible, as terrifying. True drama, true crimey, emotional female coded that she can. I mean. And I really do recommend y' all watch her episode from yesterday where she's. She was in love with Charlie Kirk. Again, I. I clarify. I am not saying this derisively the way she describes. I. I'm gonna say it again. She's like, I texted him saying, I feel like an alien, and he said, I feel like a time traveler. And I'm like, yeah, that's romance novel stuff. No, for real. That's like romance novel writing for women, where it's just like, he looked at me and said, I must be like a time Trevor, and you're my alien. And she was like, I was his wingman telling him what to wear. You know, honestly, it sounds like she loved Charlie. Charlie chose someone else, and now she wants to burn down the world all around Charlie Kirk because she couldn't have it rough. But I mean. I mean, in all seriousness, I think that's maybe reading a little bit too much. I think, really, she's just like, how can I get views? You know what I mean?
Phil Labonte
Well, that's one better.
Tim Pool
Like, what if I said the assassination plot against me? You know what? She tweeted? It was really funny. She said, I can now say with full confidence that I believe. She said that I can now state with full confidence that I believe Turning Point betrayed Charlie. Wait, wait. State with full confidence that you believe. Why was there a point at which you weren't sure if you believed something? Like, these are. These are the vagaries of sentences that allow you to get by. Like, I can say right now with 100% certainty. There is 100% certainty within my heart.
That I believe Candace Owens is trying to kill me. Right? You get the point? It's that way. She can't sue me for defamation. Well, I never said she. I believe she. I've confirmed it. I said I confirmed that I believe it and I can believe whatever I want. Can't sue me for that.
Brett Dasovic
From everything that I've seen, it just seems like she's fantastic at telling us, at telling the story that she's telling. When she's doing her job, she's very good at what she does. I don't know the validity of anything that's going on, but from the reaction she gets from the people that listen, she obviously strikes a chord with a lot of people.
Phil Labonte
Oh, there's a lot of people that. That are, you know, in my ex poster, there's people, A lot of people in the. In the chat as well, that are, like, very committed to the story that Candace is alluding to with no actual. You know, there's no. There's no there there. She's not actually saying anything.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Well, that.
Phil Labonte
All kinds of innuendo.
Tim Pool
That was a great point from. From Blake where he's like, she keep. She'll say something and then abandon the storyline. You know, it's like these planes, what's going on? And then a day later, it's just. It's not even. Not even a thing anymore. And now she's jumping back in time and being like, I heard Colvette was going to make millions off a deal with Bibi. And Colvette's like, what?
Brett Dasovic
What deal?
Tim Pool
There's no deal with bb. And it's like, sure, I don't know, maybe he's lying. But why is she going back in time now to a previous statement? Because it's just there. It actually is remarkable because we talked about the other day when we were listening to her show. She talks for a long period of time without actually saying anything of substance. And I'm like, I guess that makes it easy to understand if you have a low reading comprehension, which is most people. I'm not trying to insult most people, but that is most people. So you're going to get mass appeal if you intentionally speak in a.
I'll put it this way. Say as little as possible.
But as many. With as many words as you can.
Brett Dasovic
But this is also politics adjacent to. This is a horrifying, tragic event that's adjacent to politics. And a lot of people consume politics now as sort of a spectator sport anyways. It's no longer something that people look into critically. They just want to see their side win. And this is kind of Adjacent to that in a way, which means it's hit people. Specific hits. Heart.
Tim Pool
Yeah. But I also do think there's an element of.
For main character syndrome among the average person. And this. Nobody wants to believe that the world is boring. And it's kind of funny because the world's actually pretty dang crazy if you're tracking all these stories, but everybody wants to believe something fantastic instead of just that. Most people aren't part of any nefarious conspiracy plot. They do exist, but not always. You know, like Bowman came and pulled the fire alarm thing off the door. I don't think he got into a secret cabal meeting in a skiff and plotted it. He just impulsively did it.
Brett Dasovic
I mean, I actually do think that the world is, for the most part, pretty boring. Like, a lot of times when we talk about this stuff, it's like you're curating news all day. You're gathering stuff from across the country, whereas back in the day, you maybe saw your local paper, maybe you got some national news, but you didn't get the amount of access you have to just unbelievable amounts of information. Which means now the world feels like it's more crazy and haphazard than it actually is.
Tim Pool
So. So we got a super chat from Wyatt Kaltenberg who says just the cyber right cares. People in the real world are unfamiliar with Candace Owens. Tim Pool, Turning Point. This is just cyber drama. It's not real. You are wrong, my brother.
This was just over the holidays, all I was doing was going out and bumping into random people. And I mentioned this the other day. I was at a steakhouse and over people talking about civil war because of the shooting in D.C. this is major news. All of this stuff is tied together. And people used to say for a long time, Twitter is not real life. And it was technically correct because it wasn't in the seats of power. But as young people have aged into those seats of power at corporations and politics, that worldview absolutely is the Israelite life. And yo, I'll just say this out in the mid, like, we've had issues with skateboarding. I go to a skate park and people are putting flyers of my face up. It is absolutely everywhere in the real world. There are people who made T shirts of my face, and they wear them at skate parks. They're not fans, they hate me. So they made T shirts with my face on it. That this stuff absolutely does make it. I was playing poker on Saturday, and there's three young guys, and they brought up Candace Owens. Candace Owens Comes up, all them. I was eating at a steakhouse and there was a group of construction worker guys, and when they got up to leave, recognized me. And one guy said, you really think Charlie's dead?
Phil Labonte
Really think? Wow.
Tim Pool
Yeah. And I said, I, I. Yes, I do. I mean, we, like, our team knows his team. Like, I was on the phone with some of them. They were freaking out when it happened. This is. And you know, one of the things I was talking. I can't remember what I talk about. Maybe Jeremy Hambly or Jack Bosobic. I was like, guys, this is regular people listening to this stuff. This is mainstream entertainment.
Raw Egg Nationalist
The question is, though, how do you dissuade people from believing this kind of stuff? You know, someone says always, do you really believe Charlie Kirk is dead? What evidence are you ever gonna present to, you know, to. To prove to someone that he actually is dead?
Phil Labonte
I mean, I don't. I don't imagine that there is any evidence because people have already convinced themselves that, you know, even though they don't have any kind of hard facts. They're like, well, you know, and then they look at all the. All of the implications or all the innuendo and they're like, well, that.
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Tim Pool
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Phil Labonte
For me, you see it all the time. People say, oh, you know, this is the way that it's got to be. You can present all kinds of evidence to the contrary. And they're like, well, you know, we saw it with the JFK files. You saw. You know, people were like, oh, you know, that it was. It was. It was Israel that did it. And there was very. There was almost no mention of Israel in the JFK files. But people that believe that it was Israel, they're like, well, that. The fact that they're not in there proves it, you know.
Tim Pool
Right. Yeah, they were.
Brett Dasovic
Yeah.
Tim Pool
When. When the JFK files came out, there was a viral tweet where it was like, anyone notice anything weird? Which country wasn't named? And then all the comments and replies are like, whoa, Israel's not anywhere in the files. And it's just like, oh, my God.
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
Tim Pool
The absence of evidence is proof. Holy crap.
Brett Dasovic
JFK refused to touch the walls.
Phil Labonte
That's right. Yeah, sure.
Raw Egg Nationalist
But I mean, the unfortunate thing is there's. There's enough ambiguity in general around political murders, right? Like. Or attempted political murders. You know, the Trump assassinations, for example. I mean, we haven't had the full story. Very obviously haven't had the full story.
You know, and there are elements of the, of the Charlie Kirk assassination that are ambiguous or questions or leads that haven't been followed. It's people filling in the blanks. It's wishful thinking, but I mean, I just. There's just this general atmosphere, I think, of distrust that. Yeah, you just can't really. You just can't really do anything about. And I mean, I kind of feel sorry for the, for the turning point, people having to address it in such depth, because the more information that they give, actually it's more for people to seize on. You know, we know we never missed a tax filing. You know, I mean, people are going to start to scrutinize the tax filings. People.
Tim Pool
Well, they're already doing it. Holy crap, man. There was a video today. I gotta, I gotta. I. I reacted to. I did a video where I watched it and I called him out. There's this guy. What's. What's his channel? I'm gonna pull it up. Explosive. More fraud. These people are. Are evil. Okay? I don't care if you're on the left, you're on the right. I don't care if you're a Republican, if you're a Democrat. Wolves and Finance. He's got 292,000 subscribers. Shout out. You're getting attention from us. He, this guy claims to be an accountant and he looks into these filings from Turning Point because lo and behold, it's funny. He goes in the first video he made, which I largely debunked, not completely. There's some points he makes that are, that are interesting. He's like, where are the 990 forms for three of turning point shell companies? They were supposed to be filed in May. He says they're missing. They're missing. No, they got filed in October, most likely, which means they weren't going to be made available for public review until they were reviewed themselves by the IRS and the government was shut down. So now that they're available and you can read them, he says, they've mysteriously appeared. How convenient. And I'm like, no, well, that's just a month after the October filing dates. Okay?
Brett Dasovic
It's just narrative and framing. It's exactly why people are good at what they do.
Tim Pool
And I'm going to tell you why. This guy is a liar and he really crossed the line with this video. I'm just, I'm sick of this stuff, dude. This is why people are saying f politics because it's all a bunch of scumbags. This guy claims he's an accountant. Well, in his video, he says there's a company called OneTen LLC and they received over three years, $1.4 million for social digital ad placement. He then says, I went to the address and it's a parking lot. It's a, it's a parking lot. They can't just send money to a parking lot. I'm here. Where's the business? There's no business called 110 LLC. The reason why I'm calling him a scumbag and a liar, because as an accountant who goes over tax filings, he would know this and a lot of people don't. I get it. There are a lot of people who don't know how filing a corporation works. We here at Tim cast have probably 20 or 30 corporations because different pieces of intellectual property sometimes require their own limited liability corporation for a variety of reasons. Tim, if you, if you went to our address, our corporate address, you'd be like, where's the business? I don't see a building that says Tim Cast on it. What about Casper Coffee Unified, a building that says Casper Coffee on it. So what he found is there is a politician in Arizona who uses this address and all of the suites listed for this business and others and has received payment from Turning Point. He then pulls in and Says, why are they sending money to a parking lot? This is manipulation. They're not. They're sending money to a corporation whose registered address is at a strip mall, likely owned by an individual who utilizes their mail intake for business registration. While this guy is claiming it's money going to a parking lot because this is how they manipulate people. Candace Owens also pointed out that her own lawyers are operating out of the same building as the feds. And when asked about it, she said, it's just a registered agent. So you simultaneously have in the comments. I think the first comment is.
Earlier today, one of the comment was people. People insulted Candace for covering, for calling this out. You can't believe both that you can't have a registered address and that Candace can have a registered address. If you believe that Turning point was sending $1.4 million. Charlie Kirk's orders, by the way, that's his claim. To a parking lot. And the insinuation is that it's to pay off a politician because they're crooked. Then Candace Owens works with the feds. Candace Owens is a fed. And by all means, you choose your poison. If Candace has. If her lawyers are working in the same building as the feds, then I'd say she's a fed because she chose this legal. This company. She chose this law firm. Why would she do it? Oh, wait a minute. No. It's a Delaware address utilized by tons of corporations, including some federal agencies and many law firms. And they don't actually work there. It's just a registered agent. Oh, well, that makes sense, right? Okay, well, then this guy is playing. He's playing the opposite game. So you pick which lie it is. That's why I'm sick of all of this stuff. People are wondering why we chose to lead with raccoons today. It's because this space is starting to fill up with desperate con artists, grifters, and scammers who are going to lie to you, manipulate you, because you're ignorant of corporate filings. That's not an insult. Many of you don't understand what you have to do to file for a C Corp. S Corp, LLC, LLP, etc. Some of the things you may not even heard of, many of you already know exactly what it is. This guy says, I'm an accountant. He knows exactly what he's talking about. So when he makes a video like this, he's intending to deceive you because he gets 200,000 views on this and puts cash in his pocket. I'm so over all of this stuff, man. You want to talk about immigration and tax policy, fine. But you know what the reality is, you guys, our dedicated audience clearly do care. Most people don't. They want drama, wwe, bs. And they want to believe what they want to believe, and they don't want the truth.
Tate Brown
That's the TMZ ification of media. I mean, it's a complete disaster. Because this is very serious stuff. We're discussing. We're discussing the. The country that's gonna be left behind for your children. That's what's at stake right now. And people, yeah, they just. They want the slop. They want the slop because it's entertaining. It's very effeminate. I mean, you can tell that the space is being dominated by women and, like, gay guys, because the types of stuff being covered is ridiculous, unproductive, counterproductive, actually, because I don't know if you checked the last election result. Trump's president. We have three years left to mop this mess up.
Tim Pool
Not even if we don't win the midterms. Sure, they're gonna start a new committee. They're gonna start rounding up people like Steve Bannon again. Was it Bannon who said this? He's like, I'll go to prison. And many of you in this room will as well. And so at this point, I gotta say, like, this guy, I imagine what he's doing is he's like, boy, I'm gonna get so many views from this. That's why he's doing it. And Candace, very much the same. That's why for nearly three months, she has just said incoherent nonsense because it gets her views and makes her money. And as the system burns down, we all suffer for it. And that's why I think the left, for all we can complain about, they're willing to stand arm in arm and burn everything down. The right is full of people who are going to run ads for gambling websites and soda products and then shill for India.
Phil Labonte
You know, I mean, a lot of times I think that it's. It's because the people that are in the space on the right that are looking to, you know, capitalize on whatever is the hot topic, they don't have a particular belief in anything. And this is. I think this kind of goes back to a bit of what we were talking about yesterday with Nick, probably in the after show. The right needs to figure out what it's for. You know, what. What exactly are the goals of the right?
Brett Dasovic
I don't even know if that's possible, because they Have. So there's such a widespread amount of views of the world on the right. I don't think that you can all coalesce around that idea. I think the individual nature of right wing personalities makes that harder to do.
Phil Labonte
I think, I think you, to a degree, you have a point because the MAGA coalition is considered the right nowadays. But the argument between, you know, Dave Rubin and I forget who it was that he was talking to, but you know, there are people that have very different views and they coalesce because they're against the woke, they were against what the left had been doing. And now because the right is fairly ascendant and has, has political power, the right really needs to be able to, to deliver a coherent message as to what it is that the right stands for. And that argument is being had like we were talking about Oren McIntyre and, and other people in the space that are actually having, you know, real conversations about what is it that the right wants to do.
Tate Brown
Well, it's why, it's why everyone scratches their heads. Like when Trump's not on the ballot, Republicans perform poorly. Everyone's scratching that. Why is that? Well, it's because Republicans define themselves and what they're against, they define themselves what they're opposed to. Trump is the only figure in the GOP over the last 10 years that has provided a vision for America, that's provided what he is for what he is pro. And that's just like fundamentally politics 101 is. You have to provide something that people can buy into. This is what Reagan did. I mean, you go back to Nixon, this is what Nixon did. These are conservative agendas that you can pass that are pro things rather than just holding back the Democrats. That's fundamentally what Republicans have been for the last 50 years.
Phil Labonte
I understand why that's been a motivation for so many people because the things that the left hand has been pushing have been basically abhorrent to, I mean to, to families, to a productive, successful society. And so yes, it's, it has been a good thing that there's been a broad coalition on the right or, or in the not left, if you want to call it that, that have stood up against the things that the left was, was pushing. Until we get an actual coherent message, I think this, this kind of backbiting and fighting is, is going to be predominant.
Tim Pool
I'm going to grab one super chat that just came in before we jump to the next story. And it's Hugh. He says, tim, I work in construction and experience the same thing. My coworkers are all in on the Charlie Kirk conspiracies. If the Republicans lose in the midterms, I believe that Candace Owens is wholly responsible. She is one of the biggest podcasts on the right, doing everything to go to war with the organization that helped get Trump elected. Turning Point specifically was going out and registering people to vote. Without Charlie, it's in trouble. Turning Point needs to be able to go out and rally young people and register them to vote. And she's doing everything she can to destroy that. And that is going to. I suppose it's going to rip out the coffers on the right. There is no organization like. Like Turning Point that exists anywhere else that has the resources and the reach. And without Charlie, I'm not sure that they can make it. But I can tell you this, Candace, lighting a Molotov and throwing it through the window is not helping. And it's the most demoralizing thing ever. Additionally, all of the fucking cowards on the right who are too scared to say anything about her because she tweets at me talking shit or whatever, and then a bunch of people come and flood our chat. I could give a single flying fuck. You can come and you can burn everything I have to the ground, and I will happily live in a van down by the river. I don't care to be number one. I don't need to be number one. What I care about is what is true and what will help this country and what works. And she is a fucking scumbag, okay? And she's getting worse every day. And she crossed the line. She continually crosses the line every day, insinuating the Turning point literally killed the guy who made them all rich. And I have to. And I hear this in the streets, and at a certain point, I'm like, holy shit, we're going to lose the midterms. We're going to lose the midterms. Then we're going to lose in 20, 28. And it's because she's a piece of shit. Because instead of saying, guys, let's come together and forget to work together, she says the stupidest retarded crap. And now everybody's running around divided and broken, for what reason? For literally what reason? Now, guess what? I'm not on the best of terms with Turning Point either. In case you didn't remember, they didn't invite us this year, and it's become a big thing or whatever. I have nothing I can say. I know what they are. I know what they do, and I'm glad they do it. And if we don't get along, so be it. I don't know that they make it without Charlie. Whatever. But what is the purpose of intentionally fanning the flames for three. Three endless months of just nonstop retard shit? Candace, Holy crap. You know, initially in the beginning, she brought up some interesting things. New photos had emerged and I said, wow something. I even said this to Andrew Colvett at Turning Point, the beginning of October. Now she's at the point where it is video after video where she's saying it's an inside job. She's saying like there's a video of the dude, Mikey McCoy grabbing his phone and making a phone call. And she's acting like that's why weird. And then you get this other guy who's claiming that the business is a parking lot. Well, he full well knows businesses can be registered anywhere. To be fair, it's not only just Candace and saying what she's saying. It is all of these people who are like piranhas ripping the right to shreds. And you know what? A lot of cowards on the right being unwilling to say anything about it. Well, this is where we go. The Democrats are trying to find a way back to reality. They published this thing where they said, oh, we've got to. You know, it's called deciding to win. And they said we have to address kitchen table issues. Like hell I would ever vote for someone like Elizabeth Warren or Gavin Newsom. But what I think is likely to start occurring now is the grifter right is cannibalizing itself. You are going to see the right now move from a populist base more to a neocon base. Democrats are going to go to war internally over the far left. And you'll see the emergence now of these deciding to win types which like Stephen A. Smith will start agreeing with people like me and Joe Rogan. And they're going to try and win back the ground and they're going to utilize the absurdity psycho reality of Candace Owens to rip people from the right so that Democrats can start winning again. And that is the reality the right has to contend with. Conservatives had a coalition. Charlie helped build it. Disaffected liberals came on board. People like Candace are intentionally burning it to the ground. Stephen A. Smith is coming out Bill Maher even now coming out more reasonably. The the Democrats are going to reemerge. Those that sold their souls for woke and to Covid are gonna lose out and they're going to retire the AOC types. You're gonna see her desperately try to moderate. But we're gonna see in these swing districts, they're gonna try. Now that being said, hyperpolarization as I've already described may affect New York and Los Angeles and Chicago. So we will see it. Maybe it all just gets ripped apart.
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Tim Pool
You end up with 15 different factions all fighting for power in the federal government. All I can say is it is frustrating to look at everything that's happening in the world and realize, you know, for a brief moment, my friends, maybe it's a little bit too black pilled. But I'll say what I'm going to say. It looks like victory. A year ago it wasn't a long protracted election, it was a snap and done. Trump won. Wow. And then one by one cracks in this coalition begin to form. For whatever reason, the falling of Daily Wire, the ousting of Jeremy Boring, he's gone. Whatever it is going on with with Daily Wire, I have no idea. But, but for some of these guys their views have gone down. There's been heavy critiques. There's the, the Israel and anti Israel rights now fighting each other. You see these cracks form when you get the Tucker Carlson Nick Fuentes dispute and now Candace Owens is trying to burn down Turning point. And so what it feels like to me is we're watching the ship sink. Now again, we don't need to be completely blackmailed all the time. Maybe as we move into the midterms, people start to hyper focus on politics once more. Viewership will start to rise. Money will be dumped into the space the year after presidential election like 2021, it's always like this. In fact, our viewership today, it's bigger than it was in 2021. So there's things to be excited about. And we did have infighting over the Desantis stuff. But it is pretty dang frustrating to see all of the hard work that was put together to stop the far left lunacy fall apart. But at least I can say this. If the deciding to win Democrat types do push out the sellout corporatists and they do push out the woke far left commie whatever, maybe the Democrats will emerge as the alternative to the lunacy of the pathetic right and they'll start winning back people who will consider themselves disaffected Republicans.
Brett Dasovic
Me and Tate were talking about the rise of Stephen A. Smith a while back.
Tate Brown
Yeah, well, but to Tim's point, like this is what's so frustrating is because it's almost cool to not take anything seriously anymore. It's almost cool to be the person that's in on the secret. And like I have this hidden esoteric knowledge that sometimes the most boring reality is the reality, which is the reality that Trump is President. This is the most viable option to save this country. Get behind him because you do not understand what is coming for you when Trump. You know, if something, if this fails, if this project fails.
Tim Pool
I just got someone pointed this out and it's a great point. This guy who made this video, Wolves in Finance. Who he's like fraud at Turning Point. And he's like, I went to this address and said that I can't find the business anywhere. There's literally a UPS store there. He has discovered that the business is a contractor with an LLC registered to a mailbox at a UPS store which was always allowed. That's where they receive their mail. And he's pretending not to know this. So you know what? You know what? I wanna talk about something that's not political and it's funny. Here's a story from Wired. Men are betting on WNBA players menstrual cycles. Some sports gamblers are trying to predict WNBA players performance and the outcomes of games based on the athletes periods. One betting content creator has dubbed it blood money and it's an old story from October. But I was watching a video where someone broke it down today and I was like holy crap, that's right.
Phil Labonte
I wonder if they're more aggressive when they're, when they're having their cycle.
Tim Pool
Well, they're just, they're feeling down, I guess. You know what I mean? So this is actually really interesting because, you know, Alex Stein always makes the joke that we should allow trans people in women's sports because then you can bet on them and you'll always win in the military. And the military. Yeah, they say the whoosh of a dildo flying past your face. Tribalistic chance. Men making bets on your bodily functions. Wow. This isn't a cult. This is a day in the life of the modern WNBA player. You know what, I'm just going to say it. Nobody wants a wnba. Nobody does.
Phil Labonte
Right?
Tim Pool
Does anybody here want it? Do you want it? No, no, of course not. Why does it exist?
Tate Brown
Someone made the point that like a WNBA player getting pregnant, it's like a torn acl. You're just out for the season, you're out for it.
Tim Pool
Yeah, yeah, but.
NBA players don't intentionally tear their ACLs, right?
Brett Dasovic
Yeah, yeah, I saw that they were going for contract raises too. With the new collective bargaining, they want.
Tate Brown
To get 20 bucks an hour.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Tim Pool
Look at this. They say one prominent figure making and predicting these wagers who goes by Fade Me Bets online has garnered thousands of likes and shares on Instagram for his menstrual cycle betting strategy. He claims he's been correct on 11 out of 16 of his period related predictions with about 68.75% accuracy. What's kind of, what's kind of good but also kind of bad is it brings more people to watch the wnba. But on the downside of that, it's usually just all gamblers, said Fade. Says Fade Me bets who declined to be named.
Raw Egg Nationalist
How does he know their menstrual cycle?
Tim Pool
So yeah, I don't know how to.
Brett Dasovic
Follow him on Instagram.
Tate Brown
Pheromone.
Phil Labonte
Here's a quote, just yeah, follow long enough.
Tim Pool
He says not everyone is the same. Yes, they are traditional 28 day cycle, but everyone's is different and it varies from person to person, month to month, says Amy West. Fade me. Fade me Bets admits that predicting WNBA player performance based on menstrual cycle assumptions is more art than science. His typical menstrual cycle prediction videos all start with vaguely menacing phrase. We got a victim. We got. We've got a victim, boys.
Tate Brown
Wow.
Tim Pool
By this he says the victim is the betting line the odds set out. The sports book determines a person's payout, not the player herself. He then shares predictions about whether a Specific player is menstruating.
Ovulating, or in their late luteal phase, which occurs after ovulation and before the period comes. For instance, he said this of Clark. She is on the end of her late luteal phase, meaning a decrease in cardio, decrease in strength, decrease in aerobic system. She's going to be tired more often than in a normal game. Fade Me Bets told viewers to bet the under on Clark that game, projecting that she'd score lower than the number predicted by odds makers on sports betting apps. And in this case, Clark. Did the teams need to hire the.
Brett Dasovic
Guy, like from Moneyball to do this for the other team to start putting, like sabermetrics, start putting rating systems to their periods?
Tate Brown
Yeah, they're going to time up the cycles because you don't want five players that all have, like the same time. So you need to, like, when you're building your roster, you have to make sure everyone's spaced out across the board.
Phil Labonte
They spend enough time together, they'll all sync up.
Tate Brown
That's true.
Brett Dasovic
You know, I mean, you could do this for the men in the, in the NBA, but when their wives have their periods because they might not be playing well either because their wife is being rude to them at that time.
Tate Brown
Yeah.
Phil Labonte
Frustrated or maybe, maybe, like I said, maybe it makes them more aggressive. They're angry, they're having a bad day.
Brett Dasovic
They got to get it out of their system.
Tate Brown
I think that's why a lot of them pick up multiple baby mamas. So they cycle around.
Phil Labonte
God.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Tim Pool
You know, here's the. Here's the reality that I think everyone needs to understand with stories like this. Guys, I work in media. I produce a lot of content. I've produced a bunch of different kinds of content from travel documentaries, news, travel stories, and news podcasts. More recently, in the past several years, viewership and interest in politics is gone. And it's gone because of people like Candace Owens and this other guy who Wolf in finances, whatever his name is, who are lying too much. But it's also just that politics isn't something that can be developed. It happens around you. And so what's happening now with stories like this is that if you look at what Gen Z is interested in, it ain't politics. Millennials were very interested in this over the past 10 or so years because of Gamergate. But this might actually be a very good thing. If politics stops being pop culture, maybe people will start focusing on WNBA players, menstrual cycles instead. They'll stop believing crackpot stories and they'll and they'll stop voting for stupid things. And then voter turnout will decrease, but it will remain solid among those like us who deeply care about these issues.
Brett Dasovic
I think the power of a well told story or whatever is too, it's too powerful. I think that like when we were talking about JFK earlier, how powerful was the discussion around the JFK assassination? The only difference is now it happens at a, at light speed because of the Internet, whereas before it took longer for that to reach critical mass within society.
Tim Pool
Well, I, yeah, I think, you know, we clip out this segment, it'll perform better than 90% of the political stuff that we do. When we talk about space weather, it outperforms everything. It's a guarantee. Well, I mean we got a big, we got a big space, space weather story. People are really fascinated to know about these solar storms and the auroras that are flying over everywhere. And we've got 20 year high radiation. Is that what it is? I mean, we'll talk about it. It's pretty crazy. And then you see these planes falling out of the sky. This stuff is all infinitely more interesting than tariff policy.
Phil Labonte
It also has more effect on the average person, right? Like, yeah, the average person doesn't have a whole lot besides the entertainment value, the, the, you know, the, the drama value of the Charlie Kirk story that it doesn't affect their lives. Whereas if there's, you know, if there's solar, solar flares that are going to affect the grid, that would affect everybody.
Tate Brown
Well, it's like people, well, I'll just say like, I mean, because people, now people on the right are discussing this is that, look, the major issue with democracy as a whole is that the more people participating, the worse the policy gets. And it's kind of the same thing with political commentaries. The more participation, the more eyeballs in a lot of ways, the more watered down the discourse gets. Because yeah, you're trying to capture the biggest audience possible which incentivizes you to like Mr. Beastify your content. No offense to Mr. Beast, but not great for political, you know, polemics.
Tim Pool
So this is funny. Look at this. WNBA fans react in disgust to news that men are betting on players menstrual cycle.
Brett Dasovic
How do they know it's men? There could be women betting.
Tim Pool
Oh, but, but, but why cycles? But hold on, like why, why, why.
Women? This is the thing about women. The male, the male view of this system is like, is there a mathematical formula that predicts behavior and outcomes? And the women are like, you're mean and gross.
Brett Dasovic
I mean, I think that there might be some of that. I think a lot of this is.
Tim Pool
Meme betting meme about it.
Brett Dasovic
I don't, I don't know if they're actually paying close attention to the cycles or if they just think it's funny to put money down on a woman because of her menstrual cycle.
Tim Pool
I would argue while the story gets attention because it's funny and weird. I mean it's true. Like obviously a woman's menstrual cycle is going to impact her ability to, to, to place physical sports.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Tate Brown
Sports bettors are like, actually the high level ones obviously are like super pragmatic. Like they're reading traffic, how much traffic there is for the away team on the way to the game because it's going to frustrate the players more. And then they like that impacts the money line. Like there's so many factors that they.
Brett Dasovic
It's the temperature for which the players have played in before because it might affect if it's hotter or colder out.
Tate Brown
Yeah. These guys used to be like our botanists and our great scientists and now they're like tracking WNB players, menstrual cycles.
Phil Labonte
Brett, to your point, you know, the betting is different on NFL games depending on the weather. If they're, if it's an outdoor, you know, stadium or whatever, what a player's.
Brett Dasovic
Record is in cold weather versus warm weather.
Phil Labonte
Yep.
Tim Pool
So indeed. Yeah, there you go. I mean any edge is money. Get paid, you know, for your, for.
Brett Dasovic
Your segments because you do stuff that's both culture and politics. Which ones perform better? Generally.
Tim Pool
I don't. Well, culture. If I make a video about like. So I did a video the other day where it's an old video, but it got attention recently because this woman is suing. She's a far left activist and some guy went to a convention, it was the Asian Pacific Economic Convention or whatever. And he was dressed down. They told me he needed a jacket. So he calls his wife and she comes and brings him a jacket. He walks outside and there's protesters everywhere. He gets his jacket on and they won't let him back in. So when he tries walking in, they grab him. They're throwing him and he's. He's pissed. So he goes to a secret service agent. He says, how am I supposed to get in? And they can't give an answer. Then this woman walks up next to him and starts screaming people over profit over and over again like a zombie, just the top of her lungs. When he goes to walk away, she follows him screaming and he turns around and just right hooks her. Boom. And she goes down, hits her head on a fence and she like broke her jaw, got a concussion, knocked teeth out. This dude just boom. And she was gone. And she had to get her mouth wired shut. A couple hundred thousand views on that. Yeah, I do a video about something very esoteric and political. It's just not going to perform well at all. Yeah, I mean, perform well. A hundred and something. Thousand on YouTube and then you know, like 30 or something on rumble and then maybe 30 on like Facebook and stuff like that. But you make a video like, I'll put it this way. I could take a random video of a random guy punching another random guy and get more views than talking about politics.
Brett Dasovic
Yeah, I mean that's even true in our space. We did.
Tim Pool
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Let's jump to this story from the post. Millennial women supporters swarm Manhattan courthouse to glimpse Luigi Mangione in court appearance. Dozens of supporters began lining up over the weekend with some individuals camping out in front of the building in temperatures below freezing.
Repeal the 19th.
Tate Brown
Yes.
Phil Labonte
It's a start.
Tim Pool
It's a start. I say that as a joke.
Phil Labonte
I don't.
Tim Pool
I thought.
Tate Brown
It's really bad.
Brett Dasovic
It's nothing new. Women love, they love murderers and serial killers.
Phil Labonte
Yeah.
Tim Pool
Yeah. So, so, so what? What is up with this? Why do women want to be married to a murderer or to have sex with one?
Brett Dasovic
Because he looks like he looks. Because he's not Thomas Crooks. They wouldn't want to look like Tom. They wouldn't want a guy who looks like Thomas Crooks.
Tate Brown
He's chopped.
Phil Labonte
Yeah, yeah, there's truth to that. But also, like, women have the fantasy of a, of a powerful man that could do an immense amount of violence. Look what happened to it, to them.
Raw Egg Nationalist
To Bashar Al Assad. Right? I mean, like, he has a beautiful, very intelligent doctor for a wife. He's dictator of Syria for however many decades. As soon as he's ousted, she's gone.
Phil Labonte
It's Beauty and the Beast. You know, the attraction of the beast is the beast is powerful and he, you know, can kill people or do it, you know, be, be, be a lord or whatever. But he is, is smitten for Belle and he won't hurt her. So she has power through him. It's, it's, it's the woman power fantasy.
Tate Brown
I wonder if. Facade's running, like, epic red pill pickup tactics on the streets of Moscow right now. Do we know, like, do we have any updates on what he's up to?
Raw Egg Nationalist
He's just playing games. I think he's a big gamer.
Phil Labonte
Is he really video games?
Tate Brown
He's probably streaming right now.
Phil Labonte
Hilarious.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Phil Labonte
Being on like, Battlefield, doing dental simulator.
Tim Pool
Fortnite for dude.
Tate Brown
Yeah. He's double tapping drug boats.
Tim Pool
He's rebuilding Syria and Minecraft people.
Phil Labonte
The N word on Fortnite.
Tate Brown
He probably is. Right now. He probably is like, like EU4 and he's just like, rebuilding Syria. Like, this is what they took from me. Like, brooding. Yeah. No, this is really creepy. The women are. The women are not. Okay. I know the young men, like, that's where all, like, this is kind of. This really annoying thing is conservative media really likes to talk down young men and be like, this is all your fault. But it's like, I don't know. I don't know if the. You know, to use Layman's terms, the HUs are much in a much better situation. I mean, this is really emblematic of a huge problem. They're clearly mentally disturbed. These are probably SSRI ridden women. And the SSRI usage among women. This isn't a joke.
Tim Pool
I don't. I don't. I don't think so.
Tate Brown
Exorbitantly high.
Tim Pool
I think it's. I think it's a fair assessment. I do. But this is just women in general. The reason why true crime like 50 shades of gray. This is what women want. They want that. That book about the milking bull or whatever.
Brett Dasovic
Morning Glory. Milking.
Tim Pool
Yeah, milking.
Raw Egg Nationalist
There you go.
Tate Brown
It's really good, guys. Give it a chance.
Tim Pool
I obviously wouldn't accuse all women of this because certainly just some people are weird, but a lot of women really love the story of a literal minotaur bull creature forcing them to perform a. You know, acts upon the. The body. And they love 50 shades of gray where it's literally about what is. 50 shades of gray was like, a college student who couldn't afford to pay her bills, and she's on a slave contract with a. With a rich guy.
Phil Labonte
Yeah, he's a billionaire.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Sent to interview him.
Tim Pool
Is that what it was?
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah, she sent to interview him. She's like a budding journalist, but she's.
Tim Pool
Like, got student debt. And then he's like, you're gonna sign a slave contract? And she's like, yes, please.
Tate Brown
Is that what the Pentagon contract was?
Brett Dasovic
So that's the. That's basically the point of Morning Glory Milking Farm. Right. That's all. It's all student debt. They're just romanticizing their student loans getting paid off.
Tim Pool
Yeah.
Tate Brown
Yeah. So, okay, is that. Is that.
Brett Dasovic
It's the government's fault?
Tate Brown
Is that the olive branch with the left. It's like, okay, we pay off the student loans and you guys, calm down.
Tim Pool
This is. This is how we make money without having to actually work all day. I'm going to AI generate a series of books where it's always about a young woman with student loan debt. And then various creatures, animals, and men who are abusive but pay off their debt. So we do one where it's like, she can't find a job and pay off her debt, so she goes to, like, a construction yard and finds an illegal immigrant. And it'll be called something like, you know, Pedro, My Only hope or something. And then he's like, I will work construction and pay off your bills, but I'm illegal, so if anyone finds out, I'll be deported. And she's like, oh, no. And then, like, Trump's in it. And then you can do just another one where it's like a race car driver, you know, just like, insert whatever job.
Brett Dasovic
Any tall, handsome student loan debt collector.
Tate Brown
You go to the. You go to the liquor store with a raccoon, and then you can help, you know, you steal enough liquor to pay off your student debt. It's.
Tim Pool
I got it. Hold on. Hear me out. It is a young woman who graduated college but now is too much debt and can't find a job until she meets Voldemort. And he's like, I want to kill all the Muggles except you, baby. And she's like, I'm into it, you know, and that I'm. We're. I'm about to make.
Tate Brown
I'm cooking right now.
Phil Labonte
I mean, let's just keep going.
Tate Brown
Let's do some brainstorming. Come on, Phil. What you got?
Phil Labonte
This does make perfect sense, you know, considering the Twilight and, like I said, Beauty and the Beast and stuff. It's. It's. It's the typical, you know, woman fantasy. And it's kind of gross because obviously this guy's a murderer, you know, or he's alleged murderer. A murderer.
Tate Brown
Yeah. It's this weird thing where it's like, the degenerate aspects of sexuality are, like, encouraged and promoted in society. So you have, like, these smut books and whatnot. And on the men's side, like, pornography is outright promoted at this point. But then the healthy aspects of sexuality are, like, completely repressed and shamed. Like, men just simply, like, expressing romantic interest in women. Even women, like, you know, desiring to present themselves in more feminine ways. Feminine ways to attract a partner is also discouraged by society. So we have this complete inversion where it's. Yeah. The most degenerate aspects of sexuality are, like, praise and encourage. And this is a great example. Like, not the Post millennials reporting, but a lot of the reporting on this is framing this, like, isn't this such a wacky and wild thing? Wow, isn't this crazy? And it's not like, just. It's not presented as terribly disturbing.
Phil Labonte
Which it is.
Tate Brown
Which it is.
Tim Pool
But this is. This is where we're going. I guess so. You know, I wonder what's, you know, we talk about with the neuralink stuff. Apparently, there's, like, a big breakthrough recently where they can implant neuralink cables or whatever. They're into your brain really fast now. And I was saying that, you know, people are going to plug their brain and then be like a knight fighting a dragon or whatever. And, you know, that's obviously the family friendly version of what's really going to happen.
Tate Brown
It's gonna be a raccoon in a liquor store.
Tim Pool
Bro, you're like, first of all, if people have the ability to wire their brains and then experience any kind of reality they want. Yes, Tate, there will be people who do. Liquor store raccoon simulator.
Tate Brown
Oh, yeah.
Tim Pool
But, bro, it's gonna be a bunch of women being slaves for billionaires and minotaurs, not to be fair.
Brett Dasovic
And billionaire minutes.
Tim Pool
Werewolves. Yeah. A ghost was one of the books. Like, that was. That was the weirdest there was. A vampire is obvious. Right? But the ghost one was the weirdest one. Like, how are you in a sexual relationship with a ghost? It's like, not even had a physical body.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Well, I mean, this ghost with Patrick Swayze, of course.
Tim Pool
Oh, and if you concentrated really hard, he could touch stuff, move the penny.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yep.
Phil Labonte
Yeah, he had to go to the weird guy on the.
Tim Pool
I kind of want to watch that movie. Now. That's a classic. But yeah, Neural links coming. And none of this will matter in the end because everyone's gonna live in the pot and eat the bugs.
Tate Brown
Why can't there be any, like, of these exciting fantasy books about a relationship with, like, I don't know, a producer at a, you know, media. Alt media company?
Tim Pool
Where's that at?
Brett Dasovic
You know, powerful producer at a media company.
Tate Brown
Yeah, that'd be nice. I'm just saying. I'm just, you know, spitballing any writers out there.
Brett Dasovic
Are you gonna pay off their student debt? That's the question.
Tim Pool
And you have to abuse them. Oh, yeah, that is really funny that they're always abuse. You know what I really. It was really funny is the Twilight series. It's very. It was. It was very obvious what this chick was writing. What was her name? Stephanie.
Brett Dasovic
I don't know the lady.
Tim Pool
Right.
Brett Dasovic
I never saw the movies.
Tim Pool
Well, she was books, but it was like a high school girl. And then like, the sexy vampire and.
Phil Labonte
The werewolf are like, Stephanie Meyer.
Tim Pool
Meyer. That's what it is. And the sexy vampire is like, I want you to be with me, Bella. And the werewolf's like, I'm a sexy werewolf. You should be with me. And the sexy werewolf and the sexy vampire fight over the woman. Obviously, that sold well among, you know, young women. Yeah. And then they made a movie about it, and then the funny thing is, 50 shades of gray was fan fiction.
Brett Dasovic
It was Twilight fan.
Tim Pool
Yeah, well, like Edward was, was abusing Bel. Is that what it was? I.
Like fan fiction.
Brett Dasovic
I will live longer because I don't know the answer to that question.
Tate Brown
It's true.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Phil Labonte
It's, it's female degeneracy on display. And it's obviously because the media can't bring themselves to criticize women. It's always, it's, it's portrayed as either quirky and silly or just outright something that you should.
Brett Dasovic
Yeah, they're the audience for it.
Tim Pool
Right.
Brett Dasovic
They can, they can criticize porn because they can criticize the men who watch porn, but they don't want to criticize the women who do it because that would be slut shaming.
Tate Brown
Yeah, I mean, that's, that's been the good, that's been the big, like, dilemmas. The good man scarcity. Scott Greer's deemed. It's like, yeah, they just slam men all day and that's all. Most of it's justified, but it's like, it's kind of a woman young is struggling.
Brett Dasovic
For a lot of the women, you're not allowed to criticize individuals. Right. Like, I was doing this thing earlier where this woman wrote me to this very long article about Ariana Grande being as skinny as she is now and talking about the return of women that look like, stick thin. And basically she's like, I'm not here to body shame her. I'm not here to shame her or any of these other people. It's the system that causes it. It's the system that makes it popular. Hollywood is now pushing skinny women again. Therefore it's their fault, not an individual's fault.
Tim Pool
The issue that I see with everything is the granular, granularization of culture that is only going to continue. And we talked about it quite a bit. As we mentioned, it used to be that you had five TV channels, 50 million people watched one show, and everybody the next day was talking about the one thing they all saw and they all agreed on. Now everybody's watching something random.
Brett Dasovic
No, Stranger Things Season 5 is like the closest you're gonna get to that for.
Tim Pool
I can't even stand watching it. I try. I turned it off right away.
Brett Dasovic
I mean, I'm just saying that's what it's like.
Tim Pool
Child rape in the beginning of the show.
Brett Dasovic
I, I, I, look, I didn't, I didn't see that scene, like, but the first scene. But I'm saying I didn't, I'm saying I'm not watching Stranger Things, I'm saying. But that's the point. Like if you go look at my feed right now, it's people talk. I guess not right now. It's already been a week. It's already out of people's minds. But that's the last show that I've seen in a very long time. Next to, to Game of Thrones as a show. Yeah, I think they did the whole season all at once. And then part two is. I don't know if that's.
Tim Pool
And that's. That's another thing that kills shows. The weekly release was a good idea.
Brett Dasovic
Yeah, weekly release.
Tim Pool
You know Game of Thrones. No, because culturally the weekly release made a moment in which everyone was sitting watching the same thing.
Brett Dasovic
I know why they do it. I just hate it because I want to watch.
Tate Brown
It was like the grand finale of MASH was like a third of the country watching. We're never gonna get that again. Never. We can't. It's again. The monoculture is dead. We can't create stars. And stars are actually really important for culture because that provides you with touch points for everybody. Like think about LeBron and Tom Brady are the last, like great star athletes.
Tim Pool
We're not gonna get anymore.
Phil Labonte
Generally, you're correct. But the patriots are like 10 and 2 right now or something like that. And so that can bring half the country to, well, half the country together to hate them and the other half to love.
Tim Pool
Look, look, look, I. When we look at Google trends the beginning of the show and we can see that 50,000 is like the top trending story right now, to be fair, the number one is 200,000, but it spiked and then collapsed. People aren't using Google anymore. They're using ChatGPT on X, they're using Grok. But the average person, I believe, I believe ChatGPT is probably the most prominent. People are already entering isolated individual universes there. There are tons of stories popping up where people are on ChatGPT and they're marrying their avatars that they're creating. They're creating stories. One guy thought he was Einstein and discovered a new mathematical theorem, but it was gibberish nonsense. We are all ready here. When we're talking about the. The end of the monoculture, people need to understand.
I would, I would, I would estimate double digit percentage of America are already spending all their time on ChatGPT and just being told what they want to hear. This is going to transform once we get instant universal video generation, which GROK almost is. You can go on Grok and you can generate. Basically. I'm pretty sure it's unlimited videos.
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Brett Dasovic
It's a little long. We tightened up that back.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Brett Dasovic
Tighten it up.
Tate Brown
Yeah.
Tim Pool
I identify as tax exempt, saying raccoons going hard af.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Tate Brown
Something.
Brett Dasovic
Yeah.
Tate Brown
There's something stirring among the creatures of America. I've noticed, like, they're getting a little more bold. I don't know if you notice, like, the deer, they're getting a little chippier than usual.
Brett Dasovic
They're always like that out here.
Tate Brown
Yeah. Even the birds are, like, really mixing it up a little bit recently. I don't know what's going on, but I think it's maybe Trump. I think it's the vitality of Trump. Coming back in is like. Like really animating America's creatures and they're stepping their game up. So, yeah, I don't know. I think humans should be on the lookout. Maybe they're coming for our throne. I don't know.
Tim Pool
Shane H. Wilder says it drank rum, moonshine, and peanut butter whiskey. Man, that sounds like a Saturday night with the boys. All the raccoon needed was cigars and a poker table. You're here. Jesus. Crisp says, how long until Candace has a source saying the Jews and tpusa conspired to get this raccoon drunk. She can't let a raccoon have the limelight. Haha. Lady Tight says lol Steven Crowder still gets massive views and doesn't brag about it. Maybe you should try the same. Well, I've not called out anyone by name for getting lesser views, so pointing out that we still do relatively well compared to most people in the space is not meant to humble, brag or insult them. No, no, no sir, ma'.
Brett Dasovic
Am.
Tim Pool
C.H. wilder says. Can someone tell these ladies like Candace and MTG to calm down? You're acting like your mother. Then maybe give them a Snickers bar?
Brett Dasovic
You're not you and you're hungry.
Phil Labonte
Yeah, danger probably works.
Tate Brown
Maybe we get the WNBA tracker Devin.
Tim Pool
Grism says Candace using a plethora of words without saying anything leads me to believe she was crushing it on high school essays that had word count requirements. Haha. Perhaps Same old man says Tim Canis is a liberal, which is why she is helping Democrats win and destroying tpusa. She never left the left.
Phil Labonte
I don't know that I agree with that, but I do think that the the the impulses is still there.
Tim Pool
Mito says Candace is turning my brother into an effing griper Nazi pos. She is preying on people who are new to politics since Charlie was murdered. Well, she's preying on anybody who's not paying attention and doesn't intend to watch anything beyond one video of hers.
Brett Dasovic
And the problem is, is you start watching that content and if it's a, if it's a movie or a TV show, it's a story, right? And there's less harm in that because you're talking about fake characters. But when you start doing it in the real world, it gets a lot harder if you're not willing to then watch all the content and then do your own research into whatever she's talking about and back up the claims. Because you can't just go based on that. This happened in Covid is why I think a lot of this started in Covid, because people lost their trust in the system during COVID and a lot of people were exposing a lot of malfeasance from the government and that. But it became a bit of a, you know, like a show for a lot of people to look at, people talking about these things and exposing them now. So it's a lot harder to pin down where reality ends and the show begins. At least it feels that way, man.
Tim Pool
Quantum Cool says the Republican base is fractured. However, if we can push, push back the Democrats enough. They will go the way of the Federalists before the Republican Party splits in two and becomes two different pro is parties. It would be great. So I have no problem with the name of par. I mean, like, if the idea, if the Democrats actually became normal again and get rid of the commies and the corporatists, then sure, fine. Right. If you had a Democrat pop up for Congress who is like, you know, Stephen A. Smith isn't perfect because he still tries to pander. But if you, if. Well, I guess the problem is the Democrats, you'll never, you'll never, you'll never win because they're all insane.
Brett Dasovic
So Fetterman, 2028, I'm telling you.
Tim Pool
Yeah, but Fetterman still votes for the stupid stuff. So I guess what I'm saying is, I'll put it this way. I don't think there's any reality where I could win a Republican election, nor could I win a Democrat election. And that. That's kind of the point. That's why I'm like, I don't see a path out. I will vote for a Republican because they get me close enough, but if I ran as a Republican, I would never win.
Brett Dasovic
But to your point, you said, like, Fetterman still votes on all the stupid stuff. Most people aren't looking at how they vote. They're not looking at what, their prior voting record.
Tim Pool
That's why Fetterman is trying to act like a moderate.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Tim Pool
Because he knows that he can vote with the far left, but as long as his perception is moderate, he'll get elections.
Brett Dasovic
He's pro Israel though. Right. So he's got a. He's got a problem.
Tim Pool
Very pro Israel. Well, I do think that a lot of the anti Israel stuff, while certainly there's a lot of legitimate US anti Israel stuff, I think a lot of it's third world.
Brett Dasovic
Third.
Tim Pool
Third. Well, I shouldn't say third world, but foreign countries, you've got what, 1.6 billion Muslims.
Tate Brown
Yeah.
Tim Pool
I think a lot of viewers, you.
Tate Brown
Could classify it as third world because like a lot of the. A lot of it is they just view the Jews in Israel as like a European colonial experiment.
Raw Egg Nationalist
They're super white people.
Tate Brown
Right? Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's like a lot of it is third world. I mean, again, there's like plenty of meat on the bone there with Israel. But I'm just saying, when someone named. You can look at these people, people's engagement that are like tapping in and getting like thousands and thousands of reach which you go, that's like all Pakistani flags. We all know what's going on.
Tim Pool
You know what's interesting is that the people I've encountered who.
Are big fans of Candace, they're actually liberals.
Anna Kasparian talking about how she's watching Candace more now. It's like, is she just going the liberal route? Is that like the game?
Phil Labonte
I think that there's a large crossover of anti Israel people that.
Tim Pool
Well, but I mean, Candace. When was the last time she actually talked about conservative political values? Bridget McCrone being a man isn't conservative. You know, Blake. Blake Lively is not a conservative thing. Turning Point conspiracies is not a conservative.
Brett Dasovic
I mean, Blake Lively stuff kind of got drawn into like, me too type stuff at work, which has a political bend to it, though. It's not politics, man.
Tim Pool
Lowest common denominator, baby. That's how you get it.
Brett Dasovic
That's why you should watch PCC instead.
Tim Pool
Xantho says Candace is and always has been a grifter. Anyone who has paid any real attention to her knows this. It was especially apparent when she went on Dave Rubin's show with Blair White. To be a C word. I actually say because I don't know what the word is because it says C. Star, Star. Star. Because we use. We have it. We have an extension. Because when we pull up articles, it blurs out those words. I'm assuming there's a naughty word under there.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Naughty.
Tim Pool
Lanzen says what Candace is doing is like the National Enquirer for the independent media space. There will always be low IQ people that eat that stuff up. Indeed.
Tate Brown
It's a good point.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Tim Pool
Is what it is, man. It exists. So be it. All right, let's see. We got some more for all of you guys. All right. Leo says that raccoon is my spirit animal. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says Candace still hasn't brought dem receipts yet. And I looked. I'm only finding parking lots of shopping plaza. Something fishy is going on here.
Phil Labonte
Yeah, I mean, there's been no substance. It's all just innuendo and. And accusations.
That are plausibly deniable.
Tim Pool
Techno Moxington says. Hey, Tim, Big fan. Been watching since the Rittenhouse trials. Going to my first furry convention this weekend in Chicago. I definitely see you as a otter. Cheers, mate.
Brett Dasovic
Does he give an explanation as to why he sees you as an otter?
Tim Pool
It could be because I carry the small rock in my pocket everywhere I go.
Phil Labonte
Probably what it is. I don't know if that's something that. That you should be Proud of Jennifer.
Tim Pool
Says, hey Tim, here's five bucks to help you start treatment for your Candace derangement syndrome. Get well soon. I appreciate the $5, but I have to apply it to my AOC Derangement Syndrome, my Adam Schiff derangement syndrome, my Eric Swalwell derangement syndrome, my Chuck Schumer derangement. The list goes on. Infinitely more people that I've criticized than just her. Before I even get to the therapy sessions over Candace, I got to go through every single Democrat scumbag. Not to mention the Krasnsteins, Hassan Piker. Oh man, can you believe all of those people that have the arrangement syndrome over crazy. Yeah. Essay Federalis is honestly, how do y' all avoid black pilling? And do you have a bat signal for Luke as Secretary of War and Candace crush every seed of hope and truth. I'm searching for more than alcoholic trash Panda Coming up short. Yeah, I've been. I play poker. It's fun.
Brett Dasovic
I look, spend time with your family and your loved ones. I spend as much time with my wife when I'm not at work as I can. I skate a lot and that is a huge way to help with that. I watch movies and television shows from prior to 2016. Like just going outside and getting out there in the physical space and feeling the sun on your face goes a long way in keeping. Again, I know that Twitter, the idea that Twitter is not real life isn't necessarily true anymore, but it is true that when you go out into the real world and you spend time there, this stuff, while it is important, will shrink in the significance in its significance in your brain. You just have to go out and do stuff.
Tim Pool
I want to. I want to point something out. The. The inactivity of the boomers and Gen Xers in the 80s to the 2000s, their.
General disinterest with politics resulted in the 2008 financial crash as people began to stop paying attention to what was going on. And I know people largely did, but most people did not. Politics was an afterthought. Voter turnout wasn't that high. And even when it was, people didn't really know what they were voting for. It was just team, you know, team politics, right?
Phil Labonte
Team usa.
Tim Pool
You ended up getting, well, it was team Democrat, team Republican. You ended up getting the financial crisis, which caused a fertility crisis, which is causing all of these crises we're seeing now. If we all revert back to, you know what, I'm not going to pay attention anymore. The end result is going to be it all just Blows up one day because it's already sinking. The only reason it's not completely sunk is because there is a faction of populists on the right largely that are like, this has to stop. But as the ship is sinking, you have people who are basically saying, let's just extract everything we can as it all goes down. And that's gonna be interesting.
I'm just thinking about the stuff that I watch on YouTube and, you know, I'm watching videos about.
Space weather. I'm fascinated by that stuff. There's social experiments. It's like social. Social philosophies are interesting. General news stuff is largely boring.
People are kind of detaching from the political space now, and it almost feels like people have given up.
You know.
Phil Labonte
I mean, I do think that there's a level of despondency because. Particularly on the right, because people have had high hopes with Donald Trump being elected again. They're like, oh, Donald Trump's gonna come in and do all these things. And you see it all across the political spectrum of people, or not political spectrum, but all across the right of people saying, well, Donald Trump hasn't done this and Donald Trump hasn't done that. He hasn't. And accomplished whatever particular pet project that they believe that he was going to do right away. And I think that that tends to turn people off. And people are like, well, if he's not going to do it, then screw him, screw the Republicans, et cetera. And you see it a lot on. On social media with people talking about politics. They're like, oh, the, you know, the Republicans aren't going to do anything. And, and I think that that does, you know, create a level of despondency. You know.
Tim Pool
Yeah. Raymond G. Stanley jr. Says the raccoon hasn't recovered from the COVID lockdowns or he finally snapped. It's possible. This is moment, I think.
Tate Brown
I mean, not to harp back on it, but I think the despondency is, yeah. Directly related to the black pilling. Like, people have gotten so hopeless about the political situation. Part of the problem is the way that the media environment on the right developed. Is it developed during Bush to Obama? The Biden winter is really when things kind of crystallized. And so a lot of people on the right are just natural contrarians. And so they don't actually realize, like, hey, Trump is in power. You can just do things. They're instantly skeptical of everything. And that just causes further black pilling.
Phil Labonte
Well, you're right. Trump is in power. You can just do things. And Then when Trump doesn't do the thing that they want him to do, whether he has the authority to do it or not, they're just like, well, screw it, then. He's not going to. And I understand the frustration because, you know, you want to see the policies that you voted for implemented. You want to see more people. Like, deportations are. Is a big deal to a lot of people. And I think that the. The administration saying that there's been 2 million people deported, which is, you know, know, that's a considerable amount of people. But the amount of people that actually came in during the Biden administration, it's not even close to enough. So there are people that are just like, oh, you know, nothing ever happens. We're not getting what we wanted.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Brett Dasovic
It was never. Nothing. It was not. Nothing ever happens. It was. Nothing ever changes. Nothing. It seems like no matter what happens, everything just seems to stay the same in a lot of ways.
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah.
Tate Brown
Trump is the thing that.
Tim Pool
It's just that it happened so slow, no one notices.
Phil Labonte
Yep.
Brett Dasovic
Well. And so much stuff happens in a row now, like, where, you know, a couple of big things used to happen. It felt like all of it. Now so many things happen right in a row. You're like, all of this. All of these things are happening, and nothing is changing.
Tate Brown
But Trump himself is the rebuke of, like, Fukuyama's. Like, we're at the end of the end of the rope here. I mean, like, he is that. We're discussing it in the green room. Like, he is that Napoleonic figure that's reemerged in the 21st century that I don't think people anticipated would happen. And he came. He came out of reality tv. So it's like. I mean, things can change quite rapidly. It's just. I don't know. I think, to Tim's point, like, the world actually is so wild. The stories are so wild that people are. The level of, like, wildness keeps raising, and people keep getting numb to that level as it continues to tick upwards.
Tim Pool
It's a drug, right. It's an addiction. As I explained this, with the emergence of Donald Trump and how he came to be, you know, a Nazi. Right. So a blog writes, donald Trump makes racist statement. Million views. Then they're like, wow, we got a million views on that. Let's. What else do we have? Well, he's. He's just a racist. Let's write up how he's a racist. So then they went up it. Trump is a racist. What do they do next? Trump is the Most racist. Trump is almost as bad as Hitler. Trump is as bad as Hitler. Trump is worse than Hitler. They just keep having to do more because people get. It's like, I've heard this already, and.
Phil Labonte
They'Re still doing it, too. You still see the people talking about, oh, Donald Trump is. Is Hitler. Donald Trump is.
Tim Pool
Right. But the point is we've reached a path. So I was talking to this guy over the, over the, over the weekend. I didn't. I. I was. I was just hanging out here for Thanksgiving, and this dude told me a couple things. He said that he unsubscribed from Charlie Kirk because he said it's just, it's not him and he knows nothing else is coming, so he decided just to close that chapter. But he's like, honestly, like, I watch your show too, but I'm just sick and tired of hearing the exact same thing over and over again. Like, every day, it's everybody putting up videos that say the exact same thing. And so at a certain point, it's just, I'm done. I'm not gonna watch this. I think we have reached the apex of dopamine trigger in news and politics. There's nothing more to be said. Like, Charlie Kirk's assassination, I think, shattered the veil of whatever this political circumstance was. Now, I'm not saying it's not going to get worse or who knows? But that was a moment where people kind of were just like, I think a lot of people, like, I'm done. You've told me about tariffs 800 times already. You've told me about immigration 800 times already. Democrats obstruct. Trump does a thing every day, it's the exact same thing. Nothing ever changes. And then you see Charlie get murdered. The coalition is breaking. And I think, you know, why do people. Why do people watch Candace? Watch Candace because she's. She's found a way to continually one up it. Bridget Macron's a man. They're trying to kill me. The French Foreign Legion is after me. I mean, she's gone to another dimension. It's one thing to be in the news space and say something like, Democrats are now trying to do this crazy thing, but it's just based in reality. At a certain point, people are like, we get it. Democrats want to put you in prison. They want to put Trump in prison. Okay, like, what's going to happen? So Candace is like, they have a penis. And it's like, okay, she's found a way to one up the dopamine trigger beyond the news cycle. By being crazy, by saying things that are just outlandish or it's innuendo and vague and that can only go so far as well. But it works for now. That to me is like a tailspin about to crash into an island because sooner or later the bill comes due and she has no receipts for anything.
Phil Labonte
Nope.
Tim Pool
So in if she keeps trying to chase this, you'd think at a certain point she'd go a different direction. Three months, she's just talking about Charlie non stop, all day, every day. Nothing else.
Phil Labonte
Silly. But it's what gets clicks, apparently, you know?
Tim Pool
Indeed. You gotta, you gotta find a way to one up it. And right now everyone in the political space is basically at a point where it's like, been there, done that, Trump's president, Democrats aren't doing anything, they don't stand for anything and they're not fighting for much. Right now the woke battle is largely over Bud Light, Target. All these things have lost. So there's no rallying cry anymore.
I guess if you found a new villain Israel, you've got something.
Phil Labonte
They're the universal villain, you know, and, and now the, the war in Gaza is basically over. But it's still, you know, the, the topic that gets a ton of people fired up because there are people that, that, you know, believe they have too much influence in the United States policy. And, you know, that's arguable. They, they do have outsized influence considering the, the actual impact the.
The average American. But I don't think that that's something that the average American really cares about. It's just a small group of people that'll click on anything that's critical of Israel.
Tim Pool
Nate Weasel Nate Wessels says. Tim, are you able to address what happened with Charlie Kirk show episodes on Apple and Spotify? It seems all episodes before October 8th are gone. They remove them because Charlie's dead. Perhaps. I don't know. It could. I can give you internal marketing reasons. You come up with every reason you want. If I say something creepy and fantastical, will more people want to watch the show? Maybe do that? But I can tell you this. When we, when you change distributors, there's like podcasts aren't like YouTube where you can upload a video and it's just there on YouTube for podcasting, it's typically they will be good service and you upload it to your service and then provide the RSS to a bunch of other platforms. So it appears. So if it's not on Apple and Spotify, it could be that the RSS Broke something as simple as that. It could be that they moved to a new provider. So now Apple and Spotify are calling to dead links so it doesn't pull up anymore. Or it could be that they removed them because Charlie died.
Brett Dasovic
That's literally like my. There was. My favorite podcast of all time was this guy who did a podcast about the show Person of interest. His name is David Vox Mullen. And apparently like the links got taken down years ago and I bug him on X to like. I'm like, can you like, I know it would be like an insane amount of your time. Could you re. Upload these somewhere? Because I want them. I don't think anybody else does, but personally, sadly, he's. He's too busy for it.
Tate Brown
Maybe you can just burn it on a CD and send it over to you.
Brett Dasovic
Such a good idea.
Phil Labonte
Send a thumb drive.
Tim Pool
All right. K. Swiss says, isn't Candace a known doxer? Well, I mean, she did that in the past. I don't, I don't. I don't lord that or hold that over people for what they do today. What they do today is what you criticize them for. You know, if somebody want. If somebody does something bad and then later on they're like, I shouldn't have done that. It's whatever Petty Eddie says. Cam Higby just posted a YouTube video concerning Candace and her attacks on people, including him.
Well, she's really burning every bridge she has. I. That. That's the thing. Like, I think Megan Kelly was scared to criticize Candace because she's scared that Candace Owens audience would attack her or come after her and it would. She'd lose subscribers or whatever. You know, there. Everyone's got audience overlap and if you go to war and you're the aggressor, someone's going to choose and then you're going to lose money or whatever. That's why when Ben Shapiro said to Megyn Kelly that Candace insinuating Erica Kirk killed Charlie is evil, Megan was just like very standoffish. And then later came out and said she never said that when. It's like, she said literally everything around that. So any. Like, when. So let me just put it this way. You know, you know what really push. Push pushes me to the limit when there are three young guys that I meet and they're like, do you really think Erica killed Charlie? And I was like, do you watch Candace's show? And I'm like, like, did Candace say that? We're like, come on, dude. When regular people on the street come to Me. And they're like, that's what I believe. Because of Candace. And then Candace, like. But I never said that. Right, but you implied that either she's working alongside the people who killed Charlie and she's not smart enough to realize what's happening, she's ignorant of what's going on, or she was involved. So when I meet people on the street and they're asking me about it and they think Erica killed Charlie, I'm like, wow, Candace is really going off the rails and causing problems and hurting people. That's so messed up, man.
Phil Labonte
It sucks.
Tim Pool
Whatever. You know, this is. This is what happens. Wyatt Kaldenberg says Google 105 is a UPS store. 105 to 503. Our mailbox is at the address UPS store. UPS store rents mailboxes. The businesses use a private mailbox. And that guy has 200,000 views. If he's getting a. Let's say he's getting a $5 CPM, he's gonna have 10 grand off that video just from YouTube spots alone. But maybe. Well, no, no, no. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That was way off. $1,000. I was way off on that one. He'll make about a thousand dollars from that video. And then if he sells any sponsorship reads or anything like that after the fact, he'll make money. But he also builds subscribers. There's money to be made. You can choose to be honest. Here's. Here's what I'll say.
Turning Point USA Representative
Here's the.
Tim Pool
Here's the direction we went before we go to the uncensored portion of the show. When I first started doing all of this stuff, I came from working at ABC News, the joint venture Fusion, but I had an ABC News badge. I worked at the ABC office in New York. And people were desperate for honesty, authenticity. So on social media, you've always had weird grifters and fake news, for sure. But people went to social media to try and find someone being honest about what was going on. And then my channel started to grow. Today, the corporate press is largely dead. Nobody watches cable TV news. Now, those same grifter type people who make fake content are just now working on social media. And you have one example we've brought up. Is there people who will take a video of me from Tim Cast irl, make it appear like a debate. They'll take me saying various sentences. They'll take Cenk Uygur, then they'll put a graphic over both of us so it looks like we're doing a zoom debate. And then they'll make a fake headline and they'll get 50,000 views and YouTube allows it. And people in the comments are saying, wait a minute, this is fake. Doesn't matter. He already got the views. He already made the money, he already got the subscribers. And some people just don't realize it's fake. Then you got people like Sam Cedar who just he literally makes a living taking clips of me out of context to trick people. Because he is evil. He is a scumbag. And this is the world that we have right now. Everyone's gonna go collectively insane and Candace is just the king of it. So smash the like button. Share the show we're gonna go to rumble.com timcast irl for the uncensored portion of the show. You don't want to miss it. You can follow me on X and Instagram. Timcast Raw Egg Nationalist do you want to shout anything out?
Raw Egg Nationalist
Yeah. My new book, the Last Men, Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity is available for pre order now@Amazon.com it's out on December 16th.
Tim Pool
Right on.
Tate Brown
Follow me on X and Instagram at Realtate Brown and we'll be back tonight. Sorry, rather be back tomorrow at noon for the live show. It's going to be a great show. Be there. We'll hang out. See you guys then.
Brett Dasovic
All right guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X. Brett Dasovic on both of those platforms. PCC has been off this week. We are in the midst of some changes with the show. We're going remote. Mary's going to be back live with us on Monday. I've been recording videos all week. I've been putting out audio versions of the podcast as well. If you guys follow us over there on say Spotify, you can find those episodes and all the segments I've been putting out on YouTube in rumble. Go and check them out. Thanks guys.
Phil Labonte
I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains and we've got a big announcement today. We are going to be on the new Rocksmith which is going to be available tomorrow. This weekend there'll be two songs off of this record, antifragile, It's Going to Be Divine and Let yout Go this weekend. You can play them Both for free December 5th through the 7th. It's Rocksmith for PC Mobile and PlayStation 2. If you want to check out all that Remains music, you can go to Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
Tim Pool
We will see you all@rumble.com Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out.
Date: December 4, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guests: Raw Egg Nationalist, Tate Brown, Brett Dasovic, Phil Labonte
This episode takes a sharp, self-aware look at the viral phenomenon of the “drunk raccoon” story—how a raccoon breaking into a Virginia liquor store, getting drunk, and passing out became a top national headline. The panel uses this absurd news item as a springboard to discuss America’s cultural and political fatigue, the atrophy of shared monoculture, and the current chaotic state of right-wing politics. Featuring returning guest Raw Egg Nationalist, the conversation wanders through internet-driven attention cycles, balkanization of news, tribal drama in the conservative movement, and the decay of mainstream political engagement. The tone is sardonic, world-weary, and at times black-pilled, but spiked with humor and sharp insight.
“Everybody’s so fried on politics, man. ... Please, for the love of all that’s holy, give me the raccoon story.”
— Tim Pool [06:39]
“You can make everything political these days. It’s a lot harder to make a drunk raccoon political.”
— Brett Dasovic [06:26]
“Politics is cooked. For the past decade, every day it’s been like someone standing next to you screaming Trump at the top of their lungs, and people have begun to tune out.”
— Tim Pool [10:25]
“This is the death of American media.”
— Tim Pool [13:37]
“All that’s left is small furry animals.”
— Raw Egg Nationalist, humorously summing up the evening’s main story [15:43]
“You have to provide something that people can buy into. … That’s fundamentally what Republicans have been for the last 50 years.”
— Tate Brown [69:53] (on the right’s inability to unite around anything for, not just against the left)
“This space is starting to fill up with desperate con artists, grifters, and scammers who are going to lie to you, manipulate you, because you’re ignorant of corporate filings… they’re doing it for personal cash.”
— Tim Pool [67:10]
"Candace Owens is a fucking scumbag, ok? And she's getting worse every day."
— Tim Pool [71:02] (regarding Owens’s ongoing conspiratorial campaign against TPUSA)
“Lowest common denominator wins—so, you know.”
— Phil Labonte [24:14]
“We are all ready here. ... Double digit percentage of America are already spending all their time on ChatGPT and just being told what they want to hear.”
— Tim Pool [103:08] (on cultural ai atomization)
“People want drama, WWE BS. And they want to believe what they want to believe, and they don’t want the truth.”
— Tim Pool [67:10]
The episode is sardonic, occasionally profane, and darkly comic. Tim Pool frequently speaks bluntly and emotionally, venting about the “grifterization” of the media, and the guests riff and joke about American decline, romance novel tropes, and absurd current events with irreverence and self-awareness.
If you didn’t listen to the episode, know this: what began as a ribbing of a viral drunk raccoon story became a tapestry of critique about the decay of American culture, the fatigue of constant outrage, and the inward collapse of the political right. The most memorable lesson may be that even in a time of real crisis, the one thing Americans might unite over isn’t an election—or a war—but the spectacle of a raccoon passed out on a bathroom floor.
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