Elon Musk Says Woke NGO Responsible For Charlie Kirk Assassination w/ Andrew Kolvet & Jack Posobiec

Summary

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Timcast IRL – Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Elon Musk Says Woke NGO Responsible For Charlie Kirk Assassination w/ Andrew Kolvet & Jack Posobiec
Date: October 3, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Main Guests: Andrew Colvett, Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, Ian Crossland
Notable Topics: Political violence, tech censorship, influence of NGOs (ADL, SPLC), radicalization, cultural narratives, and the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL centers on the fallout from the recent assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, focusing on claims by Elon Musk that the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and other "woke" nonprofit organizations bear responsibility for inciting the attack. The episode brings together Tim Pool, Andrew Colvett, Jack Posobiec, and others for a raw and emotionally charged analysis of political violence, the tactics of left-wing NGOs, the power of narrative manipulation, and the media ecosystem surrounding these events. The panel discusses Elon Musk’s public denunciations of the SPLC and ADL, the mechanics of radicalization, the accountability of law enforcement, and the ongoing cultural conflict in the United States. They weave in personal experiences, historical context, and pose provocative questions about justice, punishment, and societal cohesion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Elon Musk’s War on “Woke NGOs” and the SPLC

• [00:54, 03:48, 05:50]
  Tim Pool introduces the “big news” about Elon Musk accusing SPLC of “incitement” in the Charlie Kirk assassination. The panel traces Musk’s public attacks on the SPLC, notes the FBI’s recent severance from the ADL, and discusses Musk’s claims that such organizations are “laundering fake news” and smears against conservatives to radicalize the public.
  • “Elon Musk is going nuclear on these woke NGOs that have been smearing, lying about people and inflaming tensions. He said the SPLC is guilty of incitement against Charlie, 1,000%.” — Tim Pool [00:54]
  • Musk’s tweet and retweet activity is analyzed, with thanks expressed for Musk taking a public stand.
• [10:22]
  The manipulation of Google results to surface SPLC/ADL accusations at the top of searches is discussed as a strategic information warfare tactic.

2. NGOs as Engines of Smear and Radicalization

• [05:50–08:00; 06:44–07:48] The hosts and guests provide examples where SPLC and ADL have labeled a wide array of individuals as “extremists,” including Dr. Ben Carson, Ron Paul, and We Are Change chapters, with accusations not rooted in any factual wrongdoing.
  • “They can just basically willy-nilly label anybody… then launder this through... Wikipedia editors will cite the corporate press... It’s how they launder fake news smears and manipulations.” — Tim Pool [05:50]
• [13:44, 14:57] Andrew Colvett details how SPLC reports have directly influenced federal law enforcement actions, including infiltration of Catholic groups, demonstrating how activist NGOs leverage their databases/reports to trigger real investigations.

3. Media, Culture, and Narrative Laundering

• [14:45–16:30] The group deconstructs the relationship between activist organizations and the larger media ecosystem — like Apple TV’s show inspired by ADL work, and its subsequent shelving after Charlie Kirk’s murder. The hosts warn of how fiction is weaponized to sway public perception.
  • “This is how they launder culture…there are many people in this country that think the world is like movies. That’s why they make shows like this, to launder this idea of what the ADL is doing.” — Tim Pool [16:22]

4. Mechanics of Political Radicalization and Violence

• [11:10–13:44, 45:23–47:02] Discussion centers on the concept of “ecosystem of radicalization” — the idea that organizations like SPLC/ADL don’t just incite violence directly but cultivate an environment in which violence is seen as justified.
  • “It contributes to an ecosystem of radicalism… 30% of progressives between 18 and 39 believe violence is totally justifiable politically.” — Ian Crossland [11:41]
• [36:43–46:44] The structure of activist and extremist groups (Antifa “green/yellow/red” paradigm), and the tactics used to exploit naïve activists to escalate conflict, draw attention, or provoke police response, are dissected with firsthand stories and analysis.

5. Personal Accounts & The Real-World Stakes

• [13:44, 20:31] Jack Radkowski (Luke Rudkowski) shares his own history of being labeled by the SPLC since 2010, the targeting of We Are Change, and how false associations have resulted in ongoing harassment and even terrorist acts (like the Family Research Council shooting).

6. Legal Accountability and Calls for Reform

• [13:18, 46:44–50:48] The panel calls for the FBI and other federal agencies to disclose all collaborations with organizations like ADL/SPLC and for investigations into potential fraud, RICO violations, and illicit influence.
  • “Not just, not, not just to stop working with them, but I want disclosures. I want to know who the ADL was working with on the FBI…” — Jack Radkowski [13:27]

7. Questions of Justice, Punishment & Societal Response

• [57:26–64:46, 78:41–83:38] Deep philosophical debate emerges around the most just response to political violence: the merits and pitfalls of the death penalty, public executions, humiliation as punishment, and their impact on urban violence and recidivism.
  • “If we refuse to consider maximally severe penalties… you’re kind of exhibiting this general moral cowardice.” — Blake Neff [64:26]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Radical Ecosystem:
  “Yes, the assassin is personally responsible, but it is a they because it’s part of an ecosystem of radicalization.” — Ian Crossland [11:41]

• Elon Musk’s Impact:
  “Thank you to Elon seriously for taking the. Taking on this. He doesn’t have to do this. And he didn’t have to take on the ADL. He didn’t have to buy X. He didn’t have to come out here, but it was the right thing to do.” — Andrew Colvett [10:22]

• NGO Branding Deception:
  “Isn’t it funny the names they choose these organizations, though? The Southern Poverty Law Center. It makes people think that it’s like a liberal welfare organization.” — Tim Pool [24:38]

• Cultural Laundering via Media:
  “They base their worldview off of movies. That’s why they make shows like this, to launder this idea of what the ADL is doing.” — Tim Pool [16:22]

• Calls for Legal Reform and Accountability:
  “This is so ripe. Not just for, by the way, federal investigation for wire fraud and mail fraud, because anything you do by mail is, of course, federal, but…no one does anything.” — Andrew Colvett [27:09]

• Philosophy of Justice:
  “If we refuse to consider maximally severe penalties on the worst criminals, you’re kind of exhibiting this general moral cowardice within your society and you’re spreading it.” — Blake Neff [64:26]

• Personal Stakes:
  “If we do not explain to everybody watching that…just doing this results in people taking real action to try and end our lives. And in Charlie’s case, these horrible people murdered this man.” — Tim Pool [104:03]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |---------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:54 | Elon Musk’s “nuclear” escalation against SPLC & “woke NGOs” | | 05:50 | How smears are laundered through press and Wikipedia | | 06:44–08:00 | SPLC/ADL’s expansion of “extremist” labels (Ben Carson, Ron Paul, etc.) | | 10:12–11:08 | Google search manipulation, visibility of SPLC/ADL in top results | | 11:10–13:44 | “Ecosystem of radicalization”: How NGOs contribute to a climate for violence | | 13:44–13:44 | How SPLC reports shape law enforcement action | | 14:45–16:30 | Media laundering: Apple TV, the canceled ADL-inspired series, effect on public | | 20:31 | Jack’s personal story about being targeted by SPLC and corresponding real-world danger| | 24:38 | The Southern Poverty Law Center’s misleading branding and massive financials | | 36:43–46:44 | Antifa “green/yellow/red” structure, radicalization tactics in protest/riot context | | 45:23–47:02 | Law enforcement, escalation, and the risk of over-punishment/radicalization traps | | 57:26–64:46 | Ethics of the death penalty, societal fragmentation, and judicial concerns | | 78:41–83:38 | Deterrence, humiliation, and public punishment as alternatives to incarceration | | 104:03 | Real-life risks for commentators and panel post-assassination |

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Tone and Highlights

• The conversation is emotionally raw, especially regarding Charlie Kirk’s murder, frequently blending gallows humor, incredulity, and moral outrage. There is ongoing interplay between hard news, dark comedy, and philosophical debate, maintaining the show’s signature irreverent but serious tone.
• The panel keeps language direct and often unsparing, especially in attributing malice or willful ignorance to ideological opponents and advocacy nonprofits.

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Concluding Thoughts

The episode stands as both a diagnosis of systemic problems within the contemporary political and media landscape and a rallying call for legal reform, deeper scrutiny of powerful NGOs, and a reassertion of community and justice in the face of escalating political violence. It closes with practical guidance for viewers (joining member organizations, supporting security work), calls for continued vigilance, and personal gratitude among the hosts and guests.

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For further context:

• Charlie Kirk’s assassination is treated as a galvanizing event, exposing unresolved questions of responsibility for political violence in modern America.
• Elon Musk’s public outspokenness is credited as a catalyst for renewed scrutiny of left-leaning NGOs and their outsized influence on both law enforcement and digital information.
• Personal risk and “security culture” are recurring themes, underscoring the tangible consequences for dissenting voices in media and activism.

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Notable Final Quote

“If we do not explain to everybody watching that just doing this results in people taking real action to try and end our lives… in Charlie’s case, these horrible people murdered this man.”
— Tim Pool [104:03]

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Transcript

[Jack Radkowski]

From the age of Big Brother.

[Tim Pool]

If they want to get you, they'll get you. The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. They're collecting your communications.

[Andrew Colvett]

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time once again for Thought Crime Thursday. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. Welcome to Thought Crime irl where I am joined by my esteemed colleague, Andrew Colvett.

[Ian Crossland]

Andrew, hola blado mucho espanol. Bienvenidos.

[Andrew Colvett]

Fantastic. And we are joined now by of course, Tim Pool.

[Tim Pool]

I never introduced myself on show. Welcome to Tim Cast irl. In fact, it's actually Thought Crime irl. We have joined forces to do something strange and crazy and we hit a bit of a snag on the way in. This is what happens. I think we're streaming to like eight channels. It's nuts. And we were like, hey, let's do something really big and crazy. So we did. We do have big news. Elon Musk is going nuclear on these woke NGOs that have been smearing, lying about people and inflaming tensions. He's been tweeting, retweeting. And what did he say? He said the SPLC is guilty of incitement against Charlie,000%.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, it's provably.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of the murder of Charlie Kirk, guilty of indictment.

[Tim Pool]

We're going to talk about that, but.

[Andrew Colvett]

We do have receipts.

[Tim Pool]

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[Andrew Colvett]

But that was your last crossover that you.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I know.

[Andrew Colvett]

Here we are again.

[Tim Pool]

Here we are. So, I mean, let's get into it. This Elon Musk, you want. You want to take it?

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, wait, wait. There's one more person here.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man.

[Jack Radkowski]

I'm the minority here, really?

[Andrew Colvett]

Out of everyone here.

[Ian Crossland]

And you're Polish, you're in the majority.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, actually, we're the majority right now.

[Jack Radkowski]

I mean, I'm the. I think I'm the only immigrant here. But anyway. Lukardowski YouTube.com we are changed. Lots to talk. The SPLC has been attacking me since 2010. So I'm very happy that now we are trending towards finally holding them accountable.

[Andrew Colvett]

For their lawsuit against them. Yeah, I mean, this. So what. What Elon Musk, by the way, this is ongoing. Elon Musk has basically declared war on the splc. And he. He basically did so yesterday, right? Was the ADL's day, and today has become the SPLC day. And it's so prescient. And Elon Musk is really driving this train. Yesterday we saw the FBI sever their relationship with the adl. And a number of people, including the great Greek, you know, he's a demigod, really. Pericles Perry Abbasi of Chicago, who is proudly married to a woman, by the way, alpha male. And he dug up the fact that not only was the ADL going after a turning point, but he dug up the fact. And Elon has actually just retweeted this, that on the day before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the spl. Splc included him and Turning Point USA in their monthly Hate Watch newsletter. And he wrote, the SPLC has blood on their hands. So that's great. Perry Abbasi. I started tweeting about that. Andrew started tweeting about that. And then, Andrew, you found a tweet. And this is what's so crazy, because we said ADL was number one. And SPLC was number two. You found a tweet from someone from a couple years ago. Who was that?

[Blake Neff]

What was that tweet?

[Ian Crossland]

This was great. This was from Charlie in it. The date was. I think we have this tweet, guys. I'll, I'll. I just flagged it for him just to make sure they get. But it says whatever it was in the past. Today the ADL is a hate group that dons a religious mask to justify stoking hatred of the left's enemies. There it is, right there. I believe in the First Amendment and free speech as a principle, regardless of what the law says. I don't want to ban anyone's speech. But the ADL has no place extorting X, Twitter, or any other social media companies, nor should it dictate to federal law enforcement agencies what hate speech is. The ADL itself is America's number one purveyor of hate speech. Parentheses. And the SBLC is number two.

[Tim Pool]

So for those that don't know, there are a network of nonprofits, foundations, or organizations that do a multitude of things. The Anti Defamation League is one adl, the Southern Poverty Law center the other. They do effectively the same thing. They smear people on the right. They accuse them of being the worst possible monsters or hateful or white supremacists. This is used to incite run of the mill default libs who don't know better. Because what will happen is you'll get some corporate news outlet and they'll say, Jack Posobec, comma, who was called the white supremacists by the Southern Poverty Law center, comma, says X. They can inject that into articles. And then what happens? Wikipedia editors will cite the corporate press saying Jack Posobec is a known white supremacist. And they'll link to the corporate press. It's how they launder fake news smears and manipulations. So when Elon is saying they incited people to murder Charlie Kirk, he is correct.

[Jack Radkowski]

Yeah, I mean, if you look at what they are doing, it's not just smearing people. They associate people with the KKK and neo Nazis. So when they started attacking me in 2010, they were able to get a group of all the we are Change chapters all around the world, groups that I didn't even know existed. And they're like, okay, here's we are change.

[Andrew Colvett]

Here's.

[Jack Radkowski]

Here's the KKK and here's where the KKK is located. And here's a We are changed chapter. And I'm like, What do I have to do with the KKK or the neo Nazis? But they lumped it in, and this is where the conversation got really violent. It started in 2010, and then they started to do a patriot hit list. And they put me on there, they put Ron Paul on there, they put Alex Jones on there. And they said, watch out for these dangerous guys. And then they went to federal and local law enforcement and they said, keep a track.

[Tim Pool]

Keep track of these guys.

[Jack Radkowski]

Spy on these guys. In 2018, they officially partnered with YouTube. In 2019, they officially partnered with PayPal, and they censored individuals who had different opinions. All I was doing is raising questions and asking questions about 9, 11, working with family members, but that was somehow equated to being a neo Nazi and working with the kkk.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I'll give a great example of this. So you mentioned 2010, and, you know, here we are, it's 2025. In 2014, do you know who the SPLC added to their extremist hate watch list? Dr. Ben Carson.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Andrew Colvett]

Ben Carson in 2014. You've ever, you know, the. You know, I remember him, you know, at the memorial, just ranting and raving, you know, spreading his. His. His hatred. And, I mean, and. And then what was it? It was because, you know, here he comes in as a Christian, he was standing in defense of traditional marriage, which of course, is a core Christian belief of just very basic Christian belief about marriage. And they named him an extremist because.

[Ian Crossland]

So. So to your point, and this is 100% right, they can just basically willy nilly label anybody. Right. And then you mentioned, Tim, that they launder this through. So go ahead. And I just today, because I was Googling it, I was like, charlie Kirk, splc.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, wait, are we doing. Are we doing a line change already? Are we doing. Are we like.

[Ian Crossland]

That's funny.

[Andrew Colvett]

Why is that music playing? Yeah, I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

Why would they.

[Tim Pool]

That's. That's very big. Something must be wrong in the.

[Ian Crossland]

Very bigoted.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's okay.

[Ian Crossland]

It's better than the. I Google Charlie.

[Andrew Colvett]

Our original producers got deported, so it's true.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I'm gonna. I'm the token Hispanic on the. On the. I'm quarter Mexican.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're quarter Mexican?

[Ian Crossland]

People don't know this. Yeah, my grandpa said we were Spanish, though. It's a long story. Thank you. Yes. That was actually. Well done. Better job on the segment. All right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, why did you start wiggling when that song came on?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I changed their hate watch list to Enemies of the Leftist revolution. Just so that, you know, people understood what they were actually trying to say.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's exactly right.

[Ian Crossland]

That's exactly. Yeah, exactly. So I just googled this. So throw this up. Throw. Throw 347 up. And I found this. This is literally. I googled it. Charlie Kirk, sblc. This is the second article, Tim, and it's Charlie Kirk, white supremacist, dead at 31. Second article that you. If you just Google Charlie Kirk, SBLC, and then of course, go to 348, you look at it and it's like, oh, a cornerstone of supremacist logic. And they link to the sblc. So do you see how they do it? They. They just. And by the way, this is seen. This has been seen, I guess, 30,000 times about.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, back in. And then what happened in May.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well, in May, I mean, of course. And actually, this is. Elon Musk gave me a retweet tonight, or a quote tweet.

[Andrew Colvett]

Let's go.

[Ian Crossland]

And.

[Andrew Colvett]

And by the way, thank you to Elon seriously for taking the. Taking on this. He doesn't have to do this. And he didn't have to take on the adl. He didn't have to buy X. He didn't have to come out here, but it was the right thing to do. And he's. He's even. I just got to say thank you on a personal level as well, because David Sacks had tweeted a thread out earlier today saying that, look, when you Google Stephen Miller, the very first thing that comes up is the splc. If you Google Jack Posobic, the very first thing that comes up is the splc. And this, like, there's. There's no rhyme or reason for this whatsoever. It's not like people are linking back to it, but it's always there. So Elon not only tweeted it out, he also put in the comments. He cc'd Sundar Fichai, the CEO of Google.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

And is like, what's going on?

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I mean, listen, if we're. If whenever there is a time to get vehemently pissed off about this stuff, they just murdered Charlie, the man who.

[Andrew Colvett]

Should be sitting in this chair right now.

[Ian Crossland]

Tonight's chair. And I can't tell you that the assassin read the SPLC Hate Map article about Turning Point that was added in May, but what I can tell you is that it contributes to an ecosystem of radicalism. And, Tim, we talked about this on your show earlier this week. It is a they. It is a they. Right?

[Tim Pool]

You can.

[Ian Crossland]

Yes, the assassin is personally responsible, but it is a they because it's part of an ecosystem of radicalization. And you're seeing it in the polling where 30% of what progressives between the age of 18 and 39 believe that violence is totally justifiable politically.

[Tim Pool]

Well, because it's one movement and that's the issue. Do you, it's often described very interestingly. You know what is the left and the right and you can be a, you take a look at some of these people in the space. Joe Rogan's a great example. He's a bit of a lefty. He's the example, right. And they call him right wing or far right because he's not in the cult. So when you see AOC on the House floor disparaging and smearing Charlie Kirk, she is proselytizing her to her cult. She is giving a sermon to her fake non theistic or toward this non theistic religion. They are adherence to it. They, when you go to their meetings, their protests, they say respect the diversity of tactics. What that means is we are all part of one movement. And here's the real secret, what they're actually saying. They'll go to and say, no, no, no, look, here's the thing. The other activists that come here and want to find out, find a way to change the world may not agree with you, but we're fighting for the same cause, so let them do it. What they're not telling you, those guys over there work for us. They're telling you you don't have to feel bad about the violence they commit. They're a different group. They're not. Maybe that's the game.

[Jack Radkowski]

Maybe you guys know this, but did the FBI cut their ties with the splc? Because they've been working with them for an extremely long time. And if there ever was a time and opportunity to cut ties with the splc, it is now. But I want to go further.

[Andrew Colvett]

That is, that is one of the action items that we're calling for. We're calling for the FBI, we're calling for Amazon, Smile and any other federal law enforcement or any of these organizations.

[Jack Radkowski]

But we should take it further. Not just, not, not just to stop working with them, but I want disclosures. I want to know who the ADL was working with on the FBI with to spy on what commentator, on what personality, what work were they doing. And if Kash Patel is listening, I hope he does full disclosures.

[Andrew Colvett]

Not just cutting off, believe it or not. So when everyone, everyone remembers the, the huge scandal for Catholics that The spl, or excuse me, that the FBI was surveilling and investigating and infiltrating Catholic groups that were, you know, praying the rosary a little bit too hard and how it was completely insane. It became this national scandal. That operation was shut down when Cash Patel got in. Thank God. But one thing that people missed, and Elon actually just quote, tweeted me because I was pulling up some of my old reporting. That investigation was predicated on an SPLC report about Catholics. So they used an SPLC article as a quote, unquote. What, what, what Luke is saying here is 100. Correct. And this is just a very famous example that people have to understand where this stuff comes from. So the SPLC rates the article. Then the FBI sees it and says, oh my gosh, we have to start an investigation. Then they get approval to start infiltrating.

[Jack Radkowski]

Catholic Church and spying and tracking and doing all these illegal things.

[Tim Pool]

It gets better. Can we pull up this article that I got here? This is from the Post Millennial recently pulled Apple TV show about online hate group researcher was inspired by ADL's anti extremism work.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is the Jessica Chastain show.

[Tim Pool]

This event, right? That's right. Check us out.

[Andrew Colvett]

Are you serious?

[Tim Pool]

This is from. Yeah, from post millennial. Apple TV's pulled series starring Jessica Chastain was based on ADL's research. A researcher tasked with monitoring online hate networks. And the show, originally scheduled to launch at the end of September, was postponed. The New York Times reported the decision came after the assassination of Charlie Kirk earlier this month. So here's the funny thing. This show is basically a girl boss liberal cultist wet dream where she goes online and LARPs and then uncovers plots from white supremacist groups and then they go and break them up when the show got canceled or it's pulled, suspended, who knows, maybe it'll come back. Jessica Chastain then went on Instagram and gave this long tirade about the extremism. Extremism on both sides. You know, the right did this and the left did this. It's more important than ever that we have a show like this on the air. The reality, this is how they launder culture. They create a movie about the ADL so that people who don't know better think this is what life is like. And I will stress to you guys, I know there's a lot of people watching right now. You're smarter. I get it. That's why you're watching our show. Thought Crime. All these shows, you're A discerning individual. But there are many people in this country that think the world is like movies. Why do you think liberals want to ban silencers? Suppressors? I'm sorry. Because I think they go pew, pew, pew. Because they've never actually seen one.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

They base their worldview off of movies. That's why they make shows like this, to launder this idea of what the ADL is doing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and Tim, not only that, but. And we still haven't gotten. I'd love to get, by the way, like a media screener of this or something, because they pulled this show. And Andrew, I think you remember, it was like the day after Charlie died. It was one of the first things that we saw. And no one had been talking about this show. There'd be like a meme about it, but nobody, like, certainly, obviously we weren't in a place to think about shows. Nobody thought there was any connection between that show and Charlie Kirk. But do you remember. Okay, so this is a theory that's gone out since then about this show specifically. Do you remember? And Tim, I know we talked about the other night, the Groiper hoax that was spread by so many on the left, up to and including, in a sense, Jimmy Kimmel, that a Groiper had been the one pulling the trigger to shoot and kill Charlie. Well, so many people were tweeting that out that the theory was that perhaps a screener of the savant had gone out. And what if that was a plot that had actually been in there? And that's where they all got the idea from South Park. Just like South Park. Because they were saying, oh, wait there. Like, it seemed like they were really scared about something in that show.

[Tim Pool]

Bro, do you know about the show Utopia?

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, yeah, that's a while about it.

[Jack Radkowski]

But they have to have a disclosure in the beginning.

[Tim Pool]

Check this out.

[Jack Radkowski]

This is not Real Life Events.

[Tim Pool]

There was a show that came out, I was at Amazon, I think, right. And it was about a tech billionaire who was concerned about climate change. He had produced fake meat and was trying to get people to eat it because he wanted to reduce carbon emissions. He secretly worked behind the scenes to create a pandemic scare so that he could get the government to force vaccinations on people, thinking it would vaccinate them from this pandemic. But it sterilized them instead.

[Jack Radkowski]

Yep. Population.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, so wait, and when did this come out?

[Jack Radkowski]

A couple years ago.

[Unidentified Guest]

Was it 2020, I think.

[Ian Crossland]

Why is your T shirt taped?

[Jack Radkowski]

There's some kids watching and it might not be the best and the most appropriate. I'll tweet about it.

[Tim Pool]

It came out, but that means it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Had been produced in 2019.

[Tim Pool]

Y.

[Ian Crossland]

When in 2020 was it?

[Blake Neff]

I don't know.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, to your point, it was produced 2019, September.

[Tim Pool]

So it gets better. The premise of the show is all of that, but there is an individual with knowledge of the plot who wrote a comic book and in the comic book it reveals the plot. So the idea is if you get a copy of this, this comic book utopia, you will know the plan the elites have for. For the world. What a ridiculous story. I mean, for us, we just have a TV show on Amazon about elites.

[Jack Radkowski]

Yeah, we just live real.

[Andrew Colvett]

Connected.

[Tim Pool]

Anything at all.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's going on.

[Jack Radkowski]

But to go to the back to the topic of the splc, because I think it's important to talk about. A couple years ago there was a terrorist inspired event that a leftist lunatic used SPLC information in order to shoot up the Family Research Council. A lot of people forget that they not only put people on hit lists, but they were the inspiration for a terrorist attack before. So what Elon Musk is talking about right now is of critical, key importance. Kash Patel needs to get on this right now. He needs to provide disclosures, he needs to provide us information. What's happening behind the scenes, what was really going on and why was federal police hijacked by these leftist woke institutions that literally put us on hit list? I was there since 2010 and I remember seeing this terrorist attack and I'm like, I'm on that list that this lunatic looks that happened in 2012. And I'm like, they just, they're literally attacking me. And I tried to reach out and they actually contacted me and they're like, you know, we'll give you the benefit of that. Let me interview you. So I recorded the interview with the splc. I was like, you guys don't understand. We're raising money, we're working with first responders, we're working with family members, we're working with rescue workers, survivors. And I laid it all out. They took my quotes out of context and then wrote an article talking about how I was a violent extremist when I never even said any of those things I did. Lied and slandered me and then put me on this target list that radicals use to kill people.

[Ian Crossland]

Jack, this reminds me of. Sorry, Tim, but this reminds me of. I want on one in one instance, tried to work in good faith with.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh God.

[Jack Radkowski]

Yeah, me too.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, no, but I just said, Jack, Let me see. Let me see. Because they were coming after Jack and I was like, I'm going to. Just let me see. Because actually, I looked at his questions. Like there's really.

[Andrew Colvett]

Because they were reaching out to Turning Point for like an official.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, well, no. Yeah. And it was obvious explanations for the questions he was asking. We built timelines. I explained all this stuff, and we.

[Andrew Colvett]

Had to do a lot of time. We, like, explained the anatomy of a meme and, like, put the timeline out that showed very clearly.

[Tim Pool]

Is this the. Okay. Hand symbol or something?

[Andrew Colvett]

It was along those lines, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

So I tried to do it, and then the thing came out and it was just exactly what you said. It was a complete smear job, hit job. And let me.

[Tim Pool]

Let me. Let me. Let me tell you guys a story. So in 2018, an article was put out by the SPLC which included me. It was written about a bunch of people who are. I guess you'd call them lefties, progressives. And it's called. It was called the Multipolar Spin How Fascists Operationalize Left Wing Resentment. What they were basically saying was, here's a spattering of people who are on the left, but they're secretly fascists. I was included in this. I think. I think Max Blumenthal was included in this. And here's the best part. They called me alt right. I'm mixed race, as everyone knows. And they said that I had gone to Iran for a Holocaust deniers conference.

[Andrew Colvett]

Tim, why did you do that? You shouldn't do that.

[Tim Pool]

I've never been to Iran in my life.

[Ian Crossland]

Really tone deaf.

[Tim Pool]

And their source.

[Andrew Colvett]

Read the room, Read the room.

[Tim Pool]

An archive of a. Since at the time the website had been deleted, it was some blog in Iran from some Holocaust denier who wrote a thing claiming I had been to Iran, which was made up. So we actually filed a lawsuit against them. They issued an apology and took it down. Because my challenge to them was, if you want to claim that I'm an alt right guy who went to Iran for a Holocaust deniers conference, I have no problem having you go to court and tell a judge your source is a conspiracy theory website from Iran that was deleted. I want that on the record and then we'll run. So they were like, okay, we're taking it down. Not to mention, you know, when they went after Max Blumenthal, he was like, I'm gonna call my dad. And they were like, we'll delete it.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm half kidding.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know exactly how that went down.

[Andrew Colvett]

They went after they went after.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, all right, that's our line change.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna do hot swap. Hot swap. All right, Time for the hot swap. All right, Hot swap. Blake is coming in.

[Tim Pool]

Blake is coming in. He's coming in hot.

[Andrew Colvett]

He's coming in hot.

[Ian Crossland]

Appropriate with that sombrero and a mustache and beard. Okay. It's all you, brother.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, Blake. Blake, why. Why do you have that. That crazy mustache on? That crazy fake mustache? Oh, you can't talk yet. Dios meal. Oh, no. Why are we all talking like this? For some strange reason.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, because I ordered guac for the office, and we got really excited.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, you ate guac? You didn't share?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you didn't have any. Everybody was eating it.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I was, like, getting the show ready. I was looking at tweets. Elon's, like, pulling me up.

[Tim Pool]

I was sitting back. I was like, hey, guys, instead of doing the show like normal, make Jack do the work. Guacamole.

[Andrew Colvett]

Guac. Me.

[Tim Pool]

Guac.

[Andrew Colvett]

Me in on my own show.

[Tim Pool]

When they delivered the guac, they. Yeah. Just asked if we play the music.

[Andrew Colvett]

Did you get the Glock?

[Blake Neff]

I think I did. Yeah. But the thing is, I don't like guac, so I kind of just let it sit there and turn, like, brown or whatever.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, no, I can't. I can't. That. So. So, Blake, we've been talking about the splc. We were talking about it earlier today. Just get your take on this. What do you think about the fact that Elon Musk has just picked up the baseball bat and is just, like, beating down the poverty palace? Which, by the way, that's Tim. Do you know that's what they call the SPLC headquarters? The poverty palace.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we should. By the way, guys, we have got to get a picture up of. I should have said this before. I was not working very hard in prep. We have got to get a picture of the SPLC headquarters, and it's literally a glass palace, so. So, Blake, your. Your thoughts?

[Blake Neff]

They live in a giant glass house.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Blake Neff]

Yet they throw stones.

[Andrew Colvett]

They sure do.

[Blake Neff]

Many.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't it funny the names they choose these organizations, though? The Southern Poverty Law Center.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It makes people think that it's like a. A liberal welfare organization that does legal work for hungry.

[Blake Neff]

I'll tell you what it's supposed to. It's exactly named so that people will think that it is like a 50s 60s era, like, civil rights organization. Like, the. What was. MLK's group was like, Southern Christian Leadership.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it's Very similar.

[Blake Neff]

So they're clearly evoking that. Yeah, I think it was. I think it was founded in 1970 or so, and then it just immediately began its direct mail campaigns to scam neurotic housewives out of their money.

[Tim Pool]

We had an event in Jersey several years ago that. It was called. I forgot what was called, but it was. It was called something. I forgot the name of it, but we. We. The. The subheader was Ending Violence, Racism and Authoritarianism, and Daryl Davis was our headline speaker. And literally it was. I. I guess I would liken it to a centrist type, you know, debate on morals. Antifa called it a white supremacist event and threatened to burn the theater down. And I'm like, it's literally called Ending Racism, Violence and Authoritarianism. They were like, yeah, we don't care.

[Andrew Colvett]

And Blake, so you mentioned. You mentioned the scamming. There have been. There have been liberals who have. Oh, gosh, here's the picture. Tim, look at this. This is their headquarters, the poverty palace.

[Blake Neff]

It looks like you could hit a button and it would, like, transform into something that does.

[Andrew Colvett]

So, yes, they're in their endowment currently, according to their 2024 release, is almost 900 billion.

[Blake Neff]

Million.

[Andrew Colvett]

Excuse me. $900 million. $900 million.

[Blake Neff]

900 billion. That'd be like.

[Andrew Colvett]

I was thinking in my head, it's almost a billion. It's almost a billion dollars or just under a billion dollars they've raised through these scams. And there have been liberals and leftists and even. Even communists, like the people over at Current Affair that have. Have come out and said, yeah, this is obviously a scam. Former employees have come out. It's obviously a scam. What they're doing is they're claiming that they're doing all this work to fight the hate, when essentially all they're doing is targeting people for hate and then shaking down again like, Like. Like old liberals for money. They also. Tim, you'll appreciate this. They take that money and a bunch of it, they'll send tens of millions, I think 30 million, according to Tyler O' Neill, over a Daily Signal is. Is. Is sent down to the Cayman Islands for tax purposes as a tax haven right now. So the.

[Blake Neff]

The amount of very Southern poverty.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, very Southern. Extremely Southern in the. In the Gulf of America. So when you look at this, it's. It's so ripe. Not just for, by the way, federal investigation for wire fraud and mail fraud, because anything you do by mail is, of course, federal, but Alabama, it is the reddest of the Red states. And yet they sit right there in Montgomery, Alabama, in their poverty palace, and no one does anything. Wait a minute. Oh, my gosh. So, guys, do you see that? So on the. On the side up here, there, we have MSNBC playing. You guys can't see it. MSNBC is literally running an SPLC ad right now. That's MSNBC up in the top right.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Andrew Colvett]

Music as we're talking about this.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. And help. Help fight hate.

[Andrew Colvett]

They say fight hate and they've got T shirts. They're advocating for change. Oh, there's. You know, and they're talking about.

[Blake Neff]

That. People think it's just feds faking it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Holy moly. And you know, it's really interesting is that all of the. All of the.

[Andrew Colvett]

We did not play.

[Tim Pool]

That's.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's actually live msnbc.

[Tim Pool]

Did you notice that in the commercial, all of the good people were black? Yes, of course. Like, there was a lawyer who was black. The judge was black. The guy advertising, like, was black. Then it showed the Patriot Front, bunch of white guys in masks. Then it showed a bunch of black protesters. Is that who they're trying to fundraise off of? I guess.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, no, they're definitely not fundraising.

[Andrew Colvett]

No. Tim, are you drawing some connection there? No, there's no way. It's not possible. That's so crazy. We did not. So, yeah, the. The people can't see it because it's off screen, but we have a video wall here that just shows, you know, pretty much all the cable news channels and the one that was playing. So we've got, like, cnn, we got msnbc. Of course, we've got Rav.

[Tim Pool]

This is. This. This next commercial is worse. It's mushroom coffee.

[Andrew Colvett]

I will not drink the mushroom coffee. I will not drink the mushroom coffee.

[Blake Neff]

That is. I like mushrooms, but not in that way.

[Andrew Colvett]

Blake, you do shrooms. No, no, Ian's. Ian's coming later. Speaking of mushrooms, he'll pop up like a mushroom. Wait, is he actually coming? That is kind of a good start. Oh, he's here. Wait, wait. You gotta. You gotta talk to the mike.

[Unidentified Guest]

I love Mexican culture, and I do love.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Andrew Colvett]

I know. I know you do. I know you do. I know you do. Are we. Do we want to swap or.

[Tim Pool]

We can swap.

[Unidentified Guest]

Someone's just like, ian, go. They're talking about.

[Jack Radkowski]

We'll swap in an hour out.

[Andrew Colvett]

So.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay. Yeah, you know, we did talk about mushrooms, so stay in the moment. Thank you, Ian. But no, it's. It's. I mean, that. That's so crazy. This is how big they are that MSNBC is just running this stuff all the time. So, and, and that's, and by the way. So Blake, talk to me about the, the, the current demographic of an MSNBC primetime viewer that they're trying to target.

[Blake Neff]

Okay, so the current demographic of an MSMB primetime viewer, I'd say median viewer is probably what, 75 years old at least generously. It's very aged people who watch these left wing cable prime time shows and they basically like need to like constantly bombard them with fear porn. It's like, it's quite funny. Like if you read the direct mailers SPLC does, it's just very funny because they're basically trying to find, you know, rich or upper middle class housewives and being like, hey, remember that holocaust? It's about to happen again if you don't donate to the SPLC's poverty palace. And you know, they, they really whip them up. It's so comical. They're always like, oh, this last year was, this is a barn. But this is a record setter in hate. And there's more hate groups.

[Andrew Colvett]

And, and this is why though. This is why they've, they've. And, and Tim, you know, this is why they have to expand the aperture because there's a supply and demand issue to the point where Charlie Kirk, right, A guy who's never raised a hand in anger, who just wants to have dialogue and campus debate, gets ensnared in it.

[Tim Pool]

Why is it so easy to be evil? You know, this stuff doesn't work on the right. If we, if we made something comparable, standards, rules, the northern elitist, you know, law directive.

[Jack Radkowski]

Yeah, if we were saying code Pink, we're a bunch of crazy radicals like, and saying that they're extremists that are going to have people, well, whatever, they're still entitled to their opinion and they're mostly nonviolent and they, and they do things, you know, pretty peacefully and sometimes I agree with them, actually, sometimes I absolutely disagree with them. But there isn't to try to. Yeah, they're anti war people. If there was an effort to label them terrorists, I mean that would be a little bit extreme. That would be.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just saying the right doesn't have anything comparable where we create a fake organization with a fake name and then trick people into giving over tons of money. Because that's not how the right operates.

[Andrew Colvett]

Doesn't just sit there and go, oh my gosh, like we don't, we don't make these crazy comparisons and say, you know, you remembered this thing from 85 years ago. It's about to happen again. If you don't give us money right now, like, you can go and look at again. So, I mean, like Turning Point usa, right? You know, obviously we're here. I've got the shirt on. Charlie's a leader. You know, go look at it at a. At a Turning Point fundraising drive. It's like we're going to teach people about the Constitution and we're going to talk about the Bible and talk about how great America is and let you.

[Tim Pool]

Come and have a debate in person. Everyone can hear what's going on.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of course, that was the centerpiece of everything that Charlie did.

[Tim Pool]

You guys want to talk about this story? Can you pull this one up? We don't need the audio for it. It's just an amazing video. This is an antifa guy who dumped the red paints at the ICE facility in Portland. And he found out. He found out. You can see here on the left, this obese young man being arrested. And then. What do you think his reaction was once he was actually in the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Probably laughing, probably taunting.

[Tim Pool]

Is that what you think? Oh, yeah, yeah. No, he's shivering in fear and pleading for his life. Terrified because he thought he was playing a game. He. Look at him, shaking and terrified, begging for forgiveness. You can't really hear the audio in it. It's just. It's. You know, he's just sitting there shaking, terrified. These people that go out, they create the shield for the. For the terrorists to hide in the bushes and shoot. Like we've seen in the past. These people are stupid. They think they're playing a game. They show up to these facilities, they dump paint and they. He's overweight, this dude. He doesn't look like he wants for anything. He's just bored and has no purpose. And now he found out. I think I'm happy to see ICE taking. Going to these extremist groups and having real law enforcement explain to them. And here's what I say. Tell me if you agree. I think you should get a month in jail.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I think I want to see what. What all he did, though.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. I'm saying for dumping paint, if that's all he did. Criminal damage to federal property. Take a guilty plea. One month, you go to federal lockup. And then all your friends can say, where did Enrique go? And you can say, he went to federal lockup. Why? Because he was attacking federal law enforcement.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'll say this. A month. Minimum. Minimum.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why I think a month.

[Andrew Colvett]

Is he because he didn't just do it, he did it as a member of this group. And so that's an enhancement.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, there are some pros and the cons in the weight of this. And actually, I think it'd be great. If you guys want to chime in a second.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, by the way, I just have to say though, can we throw up the original picture of him again, guys? Because I want, I want to be clear, like which one the original picture of when up there. Oh, yeah, because when he had the red paint. Because when you, when you see the red paint, it's very clear that they quite literally caught him red handed. Oh, sorry. That's all I got.

[Unidentified Guest]

So, and the music, if you were.

[Tim Pool]

Doing, if you got like disorderly, what do you get? You get a weekend of community service. If that. You get a slap on the wrist in a fine. He's, he's.

[Andrew Colvett]

We also don't know if he has priors.

[Tim Pool]

This is indeed.

[Andrew Colvett]

That does seem like. So what you're seeing in that video, though, is likely what they call shock of capture. So a guy who's been arrested before probably isn't going to react like that.

[Tim Pool]

This looks to me like some chubby loser with no purpose who thinks he's playing a game. He splashed paint at the ICE facility. That's criminal damage to federal property. I don't think it's effective to throw him in lockup for a year because that could actually radicalize his friends. They, they actually rely on this. One of the strategies the far left uses is to intentionally get stupid people, people arrested to then radicalize them because they'll tell you, wasn't the punishment excessive? So you got to find that happy medium where his friends will be like, I don't want to go to jail for a month. Screw that. But he gets out in time to where it's not like he was disappeared or anything during a lot of these protests. What Antifa will do is they'll tell the average person, show up, stand here, wiggle your arms and chant. They'll then tell their. They have. They color code it. They'll tell the direct action group, that's what it's called, Go in the middle of that crowd and throw a brick at a cop. What happens then is these dumb college kids who have no idea what's going on are standing there derping around a brick flies in there, hits a cop. The cops say, okay, we're shutting this down, Starts grabbing people and arresting people. Once these people, these college kids who have no idea what's Going on end up in jail. They're panicking, they're shaking, they're terrified. That's how they recruit. Not kidding. They'll then have the direct activists, the direct action crew, be in jail and get arrested too, intentionally and say, don't worry, we're here for you. Our lawyers are gonna get you out. Isn't it crazy how evil these cops are? You didn't even do anything wrong. Sing with us. Hey, when you get out, call me. Here's my number. Write it on your arm and we'll make sure you're safe. That's how they radicalize people. Okay, so with that being said, what.

[Blake Neff]

If we put them away for 10 years?

[Tim Pool]

The guy's friends will get radicalized, minimum. His family will get radicalized and his friends will get radicalized. So I'm not thinking about this in terms of the emotional satisfaction if, like the antifa terrorists who know what they're doing and organize. 10 years. Agreed. Their friends are already radicals.

[Andrew Colvett]

So. By the way, have you ever heard the. The categorization of these various groups that you're talking about within the black bloc? The colors. Have you heard the color?

[Tim Pool]

Green, red and yellow?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, green, Red and yellow. Yeah. I was like, those meetings, bro. So the green. Yeah. The greens are the ones who just kind of like march around and they don't conceal. Right. And they have no idea. Then the yellows are your organizers, your leaders, your. Your directors, managers. And the Yellows, by the way, travel around, highly organized. We were talking about the other night on. On Tim Cast proper, that they are highly organized and clearly financed. And then the Reds are just the crazy. It's the direct action of direct action to say. And when I would infiltrate antifa events, like prior to the attack on the deplorable in 2017, to Trump's first inauguration, they would, they would move someone around there and they would say, we would have like 200 people in a church basement. And they would say, okay, anyone who's interested in direct action, we're going to go over here into another room. But if you're interested in that, come on over here. And those are the Reds. That's the top of the pyramid. There's fewer of them, but those are the ones that are going to commit actual violence.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. And so they. The green group is the doofy college kids who have no idea what's going on.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

They don't want them to know. They want to radicalize them. And so they tell the direct action group, we need to get these people arrested. As many of them as possible. So you might see a flyer at a college, and it's like, come march for this social injustice. And what the actual plan is is there's gonna be three guys who wear all black and masks. They're gonna tell you to wear the same. They say, wear all black, wear a hoodie in solidarity. They're gonna go up to a cop, hit them, or throw a water bottle or something to get you arrested intentionally so that you're terrified, because they know the machine is cruel. When you get arrested, the cops are like, don't know. Don't care why you got arrested. Stand here, take your picture, and they're shaking, and they're terrified. They've never been arrested before. They probably never had a job before. That's when they can strike. Oh, you poor thing. Look how evil police are. And then come meet us next Saturday and we'll explain everything to you. Then they get a new radical.

[Blake Neff]

You know, I don't know. I'm not sure if it's just bad to radicalize it. I would just say if they want to get radicalized because they're like, you know, faf o ing. And then they get radicalized and they do something more radical. Okay, 10 years, 25. I don't care about filling up a prison with 50,000 of these. Freeze.

[Tim Pool]

But what I'm saying is this guy's roommate gets radicalized, and you're making more protesters. That's what they want.

[Blake Neff]

The number of protesters is irrelevant. What matters is if you're doing criminal stuff, if you're attacking cops, if you're destroying buildings that instead of getting a slap on the wrist that you are getting. Oh, sorry. You're like an insurrectionist. You're a terrorist.

[Tim Pool]

You. You were going to prison mentality that led to the collapse of a bunch of countries because what, the Salvador. Well, so I'm not talking about them going running up gangs and arresting them and putting them in prison. These are. These are known gang members who are terrorizing communities. This is a doofy chubby kid who has no idea what's going on in the world, who threw paint on the ground, and he's got a bunch of friends who are also doofy morons who have no idea what's going on in the world. I'm not talking about letting a guy who smashes a cop car go. I'm talking about the moron chubby guy who's never been arrested before, never had a job showing up to what he thinks is a playground for larping. And then when you guys say, lock him up for a year or longer. Antifa is like, yes, we tricked them into radicalizing more people that are gonna fundraise on our behalf, that are gonna make money for us and sustain us. You have to be strategic in how you handle their traps. So if a guy shows up with a gun, you arrest him. If a doofy chubby guy shows up, you say, this guy. I said a month. Why? Because he won't, he won't be disappeared. He'll get out in a month and say, I'm never doing that again. And his friends will be like, dude, I don't want to go anywhere near that stuff.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, or, but couldn't he also just get out in a month and say, I'm going to go do it again now?

[Tim Pool]

Not the doofy retards who don't know anything about politics. He showed up because someone at his school said, do you want to come hang out after school? We're going to go protest ice. And he went, what's ice? And they said, you know, the immigration thing. And he went, okay, he showed up.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, he's not just a kid though. He's over 18. He's in college, presumably, or at least college age. And he knows what a federal facility is. He knows what a police station is, at least.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Andrew Colvett]

And he knows that he's attacking. What is your goal? What is your goal?

[Tim Pool]

What's your goal?

[Andrew Colvett]

The goal.

[Tim Pool]

What do you want to happen?

[Andrew Colvett]

The goal is to wipe out Antifa.

[Tim Pool]

Okay? So if and all Antifa is setting radicalization traps, and this Antifa, it's all of them.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, the radicalization is.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the point. Criminal damage to federal property is, I think, a class A misdemeanor which has a maximum of a year in jail.

[Andrew Colvett]

I love it.

[Tim Pool]

So for a guy who's on a first offense and is a doof, I say a month in jail. So a month in jail. I'm not talking about pleaing him down to community service. I'm saying you go to jail for a month if you give him the maximum penalty. Right. I wonder if it's a federal facility. I don't know if it goes.

[Blake Neff]

We've talked about like, you know, three strikes laws in general for like, you know, habitual criminals. But I wonder if you could do something like actually specifically dedicated for sort of antisocial rioting. Or maybe it is first offense, as you say, maybe a month, maybe even two weeks.

[Ian Crossland]

And.

[Blake Neff]

But then it's like your second one. It like radically escalates and at Your third offense for, like, specifically disruptive rioting type stuff, even if it's what would normally be misdemeanor stuff, once we're saying, oh, you're just a person who always is going out and like, starting stuff with cops and attacking federal facilities. All right, 15 years minimum. Have fun.

[Tim Pool]

I say second offense a year. So my point is, when you see it, Antifa is hoping to recruit stupid people who don't know what's going on. And so my view is agreed, we wanna wipe out Antifa. But I'll put it this way. One of the things they would talk about in these direct action meetings, this is what the activists would say to you. What would happen if you stood in the street, held up a sign and blocked traffic? What would happen?

[Blake Neff]

Honestly, probably nothing.

[Tim Pool]

No code picked us all the time. Something happens, you get arrested. Okay, what happens tomorrow after the cops arrest you for blocking traffic? 10 more protesters show up angry that you got arrested. That's our goal.

[Jack Radkowski]

That's how Occupy Wall street grew too.

[Tim Pool]

That's how. That was their plan. So during Occupy Wall Street, Tony Baloney, Anthony Bologna, pepper sprayed four women and he created Occupy Wall Street. This is really important for the history. There were about a thousand or so, maybe not even that many people, a couple hundred.

[Jack Radkowski]

I was there on day one, it was only a couple hundred. Not even.

[Tim Pool]

I showed up on day three of Occupy. There was like seven people, no joke. We were standing under a tarp in the rain. An NYPD cop walked up and he smiled and said, he's like, God bless y'.

[Andrew Colvett]

All.

[Tim Pool]

And he left seven people. I said, should we leave? Why am I here? They told me, just wait till the weekend when people get off work. They're going to come that weekend. There was a couple hundred people who started to march down the street. The police said, we're going to stop this march. It's unlawful. And they did what's called kettling and wrapped an orange net around him. Four young women and you can watch this video on YouTube, stood. They were outside of the march. They were not part of it. Anthony Bologna, who was a. I think it was a captain, I'm not sure, walked up to him for no reason and sprayed their faces. That video was uploaded instantly. It was the fastest viral video in the history of YouTube at the time. Over a million views in less than a day. That video created something like 30 or 40 occupied chapters across the country and sparked a movement from 500 to 300,000 in one weekend. The direct action people do this on purpose. They said how can we get the cops to slip up? Another really great example is they have a video where it's a white shirt in New York swinging a baton wildly, and they CGI'd it to be a lightsaber. And then they said the police were beating like, ha, ha. Look, we made a meme. The police beat people for no reason. The full video shows the occupiers attacking the cops, then pulling back real fast. So when the cops respond with the attack, they can get a video of Antifa going like this with their hands.

[Andrew Colvett]

Up, which is exactly what that. That ICE agent was in recently, where the woman looks like she's getting pushed for no reason. She attacks him because she had attacked him. And there's like 20 minutes of her just.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Andrew Colvett]

Attacking him.

[Tim Pool]

She attacks him. So Antifa will hit a cop and then immediately four people will put their hands up. So when the cops start trying to arrest them, they can start the video at Antifa going like this.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, information, warfare, propaganda. That's. That's all. That's. That is going to be part and parcel.

[Jack Radkowski]

But I agree with Tim. We got to be smart about this, Right? The facts of this case matter. I made this point a couple of days ago. The left is waiting for their ice George Floyd, and if they have it, it's going to be their major rallying call.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm looking, and they've been great to not have.

[Jack Radkowski]

Yeah, you have to show restraint. I'm looking at videos. I don't know what this kid did with the paint, but it looks like there are some people who poured red paint on the sidewalk and then they were putting it on their hands and they were like, look at the blood on the hands that ICE had. And if this kid did that, I mean, it's not as egregious as throwing red paint on, like, an officer or somebody else. So the facts matter here. And I think we have to be super careful not to fall into the trap of the left. And Saul Alinsky, who talked about this extensively, who, who sets up these traps for us in order to make us look like the bad guys. We're not the bad guys. We shouldn't be the bad guys. We should. We should be tough, but at the same time, we got to be respectful of people's civil liberties and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right, but you don't have a civil liberty to be a member of a terrorist group, which Antifa has now been declared one. And what I would say, though, is in addition to all of this, when we're talking about, there needs to be a huge focus on the yellows, because when you work with the networkers, the trainers, the recruiters, the. The people who are actually, you know, behind these mass movements, the. Their ability to spread, it will be broken. So I'm not saying, like, this is. This is the only thing you do, but obviously it's going to be in tandem with those same operations going against the higher ups.

[Tim Pool]

But this is my point. This guy would be a green. Some doofy college kid who has no idea what's going on. You want to be careful about how you interact with them because they're hoping you do so that that guy can become a yellow or a red. So the yellows, they should get rico. These are the facilitators and the organizers of this who plan.

[Blake Neff]

This is a thing where Congress could actually do something. This is. I hear the RICO thing a lot. What's not really well known, RICO was passed to go after the mob.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, Blake, there's sort of.

[Blake Neff]

When you read the RICO statute, the federal one, it basically says you need predicate crimes to go after organizations, and the predicate crimes they list are things the mob would do, and as a result, inciting a riot is not one of them.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it's drugs.

[Blake Neff]

It's homicide.

[Andrew Colvett]

Homicide.

[Blake Neff]

You know, involvement in those.

[Andrew Colvett]

So. So incite. So conspiracy to incite a riot is not one of. Not something that's covered under RICO in current.

[Blake Neff]

You know, all I'm gonna say is to change it, you would just need some sort of national legislative body that was perhaps controlled by your party.

[Andrew Colvett]

Where are we going to get one. To pass.

[Blake Neff]

To pass a modification of that law. But I don't know where we're gonna get one of those.

[Jack Radkowski]

They're not usually right.

[Andrew Colvett]

So. So Tim, what he's saying is the RICO statute does not include inciting a riot.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the yellows. I'm talking about funding sources. I'm talking about people organizing.

[Blake Neff]

So that's what we mean, though, RICO is.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. You can't use RICO against people who are part of organizations that launder money internationally. I'm. I'm not following.

[Blake Neff]

Laundering. The thing is, is when you say launder money, like they're laundering money for a criminal enterprise and the criminal enterprises to enable and further civil disorder in the United States to, like, cause riots to get those people out of jail. Like most of their monetary stuff. Like, they frankly don't need to launder a ton of money because they're not getting the money through criminal means. They're just getting rich idiots to donate money to them.

[Tim Pool]

I bet in 10 minutes you could find somewhere. Here's a story. It was in, I think it was in, was it Nashville? Several years ago, Antifa showed up to a restaurant and demanded that he put up a BLM flag. When he didn't, they started smashing his property. Okay, you got rico. When they start going to businesses and threaten them. When you go to Berkeley and you see people putting up signs saying please don't hurt us, and they put the symbols in their windows, this is rico. So sure, if you want to approach it as simplistically as they riot sometimes, but that's not what we're talking about, the yellow category.

[Andrew Colvett]

What he's saying is you could add it to the RICO statue to catch more. Sure, sure.

[Tim Pool]

Or, and we could do that at the same time that they're working on that. We could be get charging these people with, under RICO and going after them for criminal enterprise. Of course, there's a lot more they do than just riot. I mean there's, there's organized terror attacks. That's clearly outside of. Right. And the financial ties are easy. They fundraise off this stuff. So when they're, when they're engaging in criminal acts under the threat, putting people under the threat of force in order to get money, you've got rico. So the most dangerous element, in fact, I don't think is actually the red category. These are the direct action guys who go on the ground and attack people. You arrest those guys. They're hoping they can get some of the, they can get some of these greens radicalized and turn into reds, the yellows. These are the people who are connected to the NGOs who are being paid salaries by some non profit for some. Here's, here's. It's actually really, really simple. Non profits are under very strict rules. Businesses under very strict rules. I got to jack you, you know this. And it's crazy. I have to explain this to people who've never run a business. You can't just hire someone for no reason. You running a company can't. I can't be like, hey, look, you want a job? Okay, just, I'll just pay you a salary. Not gonna work. I have to write down what his job is. I have to give him a job title. I have to file that with the irs and I have to prove it. So if you ever get audited, they're gonna say, show me Mr. Radkowski's work and prove to me that he's doing it. Otherwise you've committed a crime. When nonprofits, which are under stricter regulation hire staffers and then tell them, hey, why don't you take the day off, Wink. And that person goes down to organize a protest, now you've got serious business and fraud at the, at the nonprofit which.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I can tie this back to the splc, because remember Stop Cop City that was going on in outside of Atlanta when they were attacking this police facility, Atlanta PD facility, training facility that was being built out in this forested area. And antifa were like living in trees at one point and then conducting serious attacks on the facility, burning, you know, Molotov cocktails, this type of thing. Well, at one point in one of the major assaults on the facility, there was an SPLC lawyer who was not there. And by the way, not there from. As a quote, unquote, legal observer, like, we see the guys in the green hats.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Andrew Colvett]

It just hit something on my head. That's weird. I don't know what that is. And this, this guy was actually participating in the assault itself.

[Tim Pool]

Fraud. When you raise money for a charity that says, we're going to lobby for environmental issues, but then your paid staff are going and organizing protests, you've defrauded the people who've donated to you. So there's. There's a bunch of real easy ways to go after these people. And so anyway, just to kind of wrap it up, my point ultimately was put them all in jail. I was just saying be careful about giving them the radicalization tools they need by being overbearing on some moron chubby guy who doesn't know what's going on. The. The guys in yellow should get 10 years. This is RICO stuff. This is mafioso. They go to businesses and like, legit. They'll say something like, hey, are you. We want you to put this in your window. And they'll say, look, I'm not really interested. Be a real shame if. I mean, there's a protest tomorrow. I mean, I can't imagine what the protesters are going to do. The business is here. Be a shame. Okay. And then. Okay, okay, okay. Please, please, please don't hurt me. I'll put the. I'll put it my window. Come on.

[Andrew Colvett]

And that's classic intimidation. Getting back to the original, the original point of RICO was racketeering. And I mean in criminal organizations, racketeering.

[Blake Neff]

Influence influenced criminal organizations.

[Tim Pool]

Have you been to Berkeley?

[Andrew Colvett]

And corrupt organizations is what it is? Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Have you seen how all the businesses have signs in Their windows that e. Please don't hurt me or we're leftists. Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I'm pretty sure all over the place.

[Tim Pool]

I'm pretty sure the Chinese nail salon that was all immigrants didn't actually believe in Marxist Leninism.

[Andrew Colvett]

When I was in. When I was in Chaz, and we had all the buildings around there, and I lived in Chaz for a week. And you would see the businesses and people were trying as hard as they could, you know, sushi places and car dealers and whatever it was, to, you know, put the signs up saying, you know. And many of them, by the way, have now gone on to sue the city of Seattle. And I believe there may have been a settlement in that case where they said, you've completely deprived us of our rights. You allowed this organization of armed individuals to prey on us. You told the police to leave the area around the Capitol Hill, Capitol Hill, Cal Anderson park, that neighborhood, which they later then became the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. And all of these businesses sued because their places were getting burned, they were getting squatted in. Nobody could work. There are also people who lived in there because it was mixed use, so those people couldn't even come in and out of their homes on a regular basis.

[Blake Neff]

I think where they have a video they want us to play.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, there's a video.

[Blake Neff]

And then we might do our swap.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're hot swapping. We're hot swapping.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, gosh. Who else do we have after Ian? I think that's it.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think just Ian. All right, so we are.

[Ian Crossland]

Terrible how bigoted the President of the United States is being with all these memes about Hakeem Jeffries.

[Blake Neff]

Es muy malo.

[Andrew Colvett]

I thought we were doing that during. I thought we were doing that to cover this.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I thought we were doing that.

[Andrew Colvett]

To cover it, but whatever. And then is Andrew Ho. Whatever.

[Jack Radkowski]

Anyways, as I leave, where do you guys see all the momentum going on? The Right, because there's cultural victories against the ADL, the SPLC, YouTube, cultural victories against Netflix. Where do you guys want to see it to go? I mean, YouTube just took back our video. Johnson Joe Rogan, which is huge, by the way. YouTube. You still have a whole bunch of my videos deleted. I would love them back, especially the ones with us talking with David Ike, predicting everything that happened that got taken down for Covid misinformation about 10, 12 years ago. That would be nice, too. But anyway, I'll leave you guys with that question. Thank you so much for having me.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll have you back on. We'll have you back on.

[Jack Radkowski]

Thank you guys so much for having me. Consent.

[Tim Pool]

You need it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Hold on. Wait, wait. Let's get. Let's get Ian in real quick.

[Blake Neff]

That's fair.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thanks, guys.

[Tim Pool]

I was. I was just standing there, and there's headphones, right?

[Andrew Colvett]

And then, by the way, Blake, you have. There are headphones if you want them.

[Blake Neff]

And over this object upon my head, this.

[Unidentified Guest]

This asteroid.

[Tim Pool]

So, yeah, big news last night. Google.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, who is this guy? Who is this? Who's this crazy character next to us here?

[Unidentified Guest]

I'm a space lord, man. Have you ever been to the moon, Jack? You think we've ever been to the moon? I don't want to derail this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Have I been there? Have I been there? I haven't been there Today. What? Today? Earlier today.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

You went for lunch.

[Tim Pool]

Different donuts.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, yeah.

[Unidentified Guest]

You know, we're on the precipice of, like, a material science revolution.

[Tim Pool]

There's a dunking up there.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's dunking everywhere, bro, but it's not free donuts. You have to pay.

[Tim Pool]

I had to pay.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, Moon bucks.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Moonbucks.

[Unidentified Guest]

Well, let's talk about using authoritarian crackdowns on whatever.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right. There we go.

[Tim Pool]

Just on. Ian, wait.

[Andrew Colvett]

On what? On you or on us or on the show?

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah, everybody. Ever.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, look, man, I don't know what you're into, but we're not talking about it.

[Andrew Colvett]

About that.

[Tim Pool]

Gentle. Gentle.

[Unidentified Guest]

I think it's a time for, like, virtue, because you guys were talking about self restraint a lot. That's actually temperance. It's one of the seven virtues and holding the virtue, like the kindness that people inhibited and embodied.

[Andrew Colvett]

Seven virtues. Here we go.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah, it was. I mean, there was a moment for people to rage, and people just held back before we.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I know you want to hit stuff, but. So, Ian, we're here. This is Charlie's studio, and this is the chair of Charlie Kirk. This is the chair where he sat, did his shows for. For years, day in, day out, you know, when he was, you know, obviously here locally, you could see some of the personal effects, himself, his children, that. That he left. We haven't. We haven't changed anything since. Since the last time he was sitting here. And, you know, we talk about these things on a daily basis, and. And they get really real. They get real. Blake here was standing about three steps away when. When it all went down. A lot of the staff that's. That's currently working were there with him that day. And, you know, we. I don't want to, like, derail the vibe here, but it's, it's, it's real.

[Unidentified Guest]

What concerned me was at his funeral, at the memorial, you know, where everybody, Trump was there, Stephen Miller was there, and they, I caught some clips where, you know, Eric is like, truly experiencing a level of forgiveness which comes from, like, kindness and humility, and those are virtues. And then Trump's like, I hate my opponents. Let me get this entire thought out before you chime in. I hate my opponents. Which is wrath, which is the sin opposite of patience, the virtue. And to exhibit sin. Like, if you live in virtue, you're living with Christ. You're like, Christ, if you live in sin, you're like, well, you're Antichrist. So everybody can exert a moment of Antichrist behavior by embodying the sins. And when Stephen, particularly. I'd love to hang out with Stephen Miller and talk about this, because when he, he issued a threat to all of our opponents, he spoke and then he said, and to all those that oppose us, you are hateful. But he was, he was broadcasting this. That that threat should have went on a, on a direct channel to the opponent to broadcast a threat terrorizes the populace. So I think we.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I would argue the populace is currently being terrorized by the people killing Charlie Carter.

[Tim Pool]

And he was speaking to those people who were listening. They weren't being terrorized by him, they were being comforted by him.

[Unidentified Guest]

It's like, it's like in Minecraft, you are a hateful person.

[Andrew Colvett]

But actually, let me ask you this, though. So you say that, but Stephen Miller and President Trump are both currently officials of the federal government. And the Bible also tells us that in Romans and many other places that it is the role of legitimate government to hold the sword, to wield the sword, and to use the sword for justice. So when he's talking about that, I'm looking at that as the role of the magistrate to enact justice for what was done to Charlie.

[Unidentified Guest]

I do think that is the role. I don't wanna hear. But that to invoke hatred, which is wrath, a sin at that level, I don't think the magistrate needs to hate those that they destroy. Just forgive them. They didn't realize the danger they were tangling with. And.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I agree, as it pertains to Trump, but not Stephen Miller.

[Blake Neff]

And also Trump is just going to talk the way Trump does. That's, frankly, just how it's going to be. I don't know that we're ever. You just can't really police the way.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, this, at this this point in the game. Yeah, he's not jetty E says. But he did say, he did say.

[Blake Neff]

Everything going on here. Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

But I wanted to add what going on. What did you.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I'm not sure.

[Andrew Colvett]

But he did say I will.

[Tim Pool]

I will admit.

[Andrew Colvett]

I will admit that or I will add. I should say that he did say. I'm open to letting Erica convince me otherwise.

[Unidentified Guest]

Why I bring it up because we're all capable of exhibiting antichrist behaviors and we need to keep each other in check as we get powerful and famous and well loved. If someone were to snap and then start embodying sin, they would in retrospect, like that was the anti. It's just a guy exhibiting Antichrist.

[Blake Neff]

But I think that's. I think as what Jack is getting at. You know, you were saying you were happy that in the aftermath of this there was not an explosion of mostly peaceful protests, as we might call them. And I agree that that's a good thing. But I do think latent within that reaction is the trust, the premise that there are legitimate state ways of responding to this, that they will obviously punish the kill, find and punish the killer and also that they will prevent future assassinations like this happening up to and including through you know, corralling these violently antisocial elements that want to kind of stoke low level political violence across America and put all of us at risk and asymmetric violence. If they lose their confidence that that can occur, there will be people who will go in alternative, more radical.

[Andrew Colvett]

Ian, this is exactly what we were talking about last night on Tim Cast that what happens when the legitimate authority, just on a practical level, what happens when a legitimate government does not rise to the level of that government does not provide for the safety of the people. And then the people say, all right, if the government won't do it, then I have to do it.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah, that'd be splinter into factional gang. We don't want that.

[Andrew Colvett]

And that's what we don't want.

[Unidentified Guest]

We needed swift.

[Blake Neff]

Well, I was thinking like, let's imagine maybe like the alternative extreme scenario, the most extreme scenario possible. Hypothetical. Hypothetical. Hypothetical. No, as in hypothetically, let's say there was like a left wing, a radical left wing president and this happened to Charlie and like the president came out and basically said like, he deserves it and I'm going to sign a federal pardon for whoever did it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Which is very similar to what Barack Obama actually said, by the way, after Charlie, Charlie's murder. You know, he's. He kind of gave the comment where you know, this is terrible. It shouldn't have happened. He goes, but. And then he reads off this litany of things that Charlie actually had said on this show on Thoughtcrime, and, And. But, you know, twisted in such a way and totally decontextualized to remind his listeners. And by all, by all intents, Barack Obama is the leader of the Democrat Party. So he's sort of saying, you know, hey, you shouldn't have done this, but he was a bad guy. He was a bad guy, and you shouldn't be sad. You shouldn't be sad about it.

[Tim Pool]

They're so. Joe Rogan brought this up when he said, I think the people who hate Charlie think he was a bad guy, and they think they were good guys. And I counter with, no, they didn't know who Charlie was at all. That's why the lies work. They are told by their. By their death cult what to believe. And they say, yes. So when Jimmy Kimmel goes on TV and says it was a MAGA guy who did it, they all go, yes. And now when they're polled by YouGov, what do they say? It was a right winger who did it.

[Unidentified Guest]

I got this question I want to ask you guys, particularly. A commenter said, hey, maybe Charlie would have wanted the man that killed him to receive multiple life sentences so that he had an opportunity to atone in prison and find God and really on his knee.

[Tim Pool]

Like.

[Unidentified Guest]

And I, I had just been like, oh, death penalty, death penalty. No question, death penalty. And now I'm like, would it be better if he was able to suffer?

[Andrew Colvett]

And, well, Blake, you know, you, you, you spent a lot of time with Charlie talking about this issue. You know, what would. And obviously, you know, Charlie had sort of an arc with, with that.

[Jack Radkowski]

Where do.

[Andrew Colvett]

Where do you think he would be? I mean, it's an impossible question.

[Blake Neff]

I don't think Charlie would admit to, like, conflicted feelings about it. But as you said, there was an arc. He kind of. Earlier on, he had. You'll see this pretty commonly with especially, like, pro life people on the right, where they'll want. They'll feel, they want maximum consistency, so they'll be opposed to abortion.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, this is the Pope Leo's comment. Pope Leo's comments yesterday were all about.

[Blake Neff]

This right before he blessed ice, as it were.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. I just want to contextualize this for people. I want to get. I want to explain this. He wasn't blocking. He wasn't just blessing a block of ice. It was a secret signal that he's blessing, the ICE mission in America.

[Blake Neff]

Everybody missed this blessing. Nice.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's a big wink. He gives the big wink. Yeah, I want to bless ice.

[Blake Neff]

Exactly. So, but then Charlie himself, I would argue with him about this because I would, you know, first of all, you, you reject vengeance as a principle. That why you would do this.

[Andrew Colvett]

But.

[Blake Neff]

There are valid justifications for the death penalty and it's not merely that this individual person is dangerous. I feel the best argument in favor of capital punishment is that you have to show maximum levels of condemnation for the most destructive or evil acts in your society. To say something like this is so intolerable, it will be ripped out of the body politic like the cancer that it is. And I think political assassination, which doesn't just, you know, end one life, it threatens to basically destroy the country because we have a system that is based on nonviolent resolution of differences through debate, through voting, through argument. And someone went and smashed that to bits with a rifle. And I think Charlie was very, was like very understanding of that, that when you, when a state, he was coming to accept that, that when you refuse to consider maximally severe penalties on the worst criminals, you're kind of exhibiting this general moral cowardice within your society and you're spreading it. Now, should the man have an opportunity to find God? Yes, but you know, if he receives a proper trial and so forth, he will get all of those things far more than. There are plenty of people, by the way, who are like police kill. They just are. They're killed in the act. For example, like we will do lethal force to stop a criminal who is a danger to others, of course, and sometimes we do that and actually we end up killing someone who is actually not currently a threat to others. We, we accept the need to sometimes mistakenly kill somebody in order to have the general principle of protecting the public.

[Tim Pool]

There's even something much more simpler than this. If he got the death penalty, it would take 20 years. He'd have. Well, that's bad though.

[Blake Neff]

I would, I would strongly encourage us to find a way to reform that. Like no one who does something like a political assassination where, like, if you're able to prove their guilt, I suspect it will not be in any serious doubt. You know, if you need to accelerate it, if you need full time legal proceedings to make sure this is all done and dusted in two years, in three years, make it happen.

[Tim Pool]

But functionally right now, if he got the death penalty, he'd be in jail for 20 years.

[Blake Neff]

But we should, we should definitely work on Getting rid of that because one that would actually make the death penalty itself more effective. We should never have someone getting executed where we need to trot out 30 year old newspaper articles to remind them.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of why they were sentenced. So in 1901 when an anarcho socialist murdered President McKinley, that anarcho socialist, the assassin was executed in the electric chair just 45 days after killing President McKinley. That was 1901.

[Tim Pool]

There's a challenge in the, in the, in the, in the structure of our society, its size really. I was watching what was that, 1912 or whatever that show is, I don't know, 1917 or something. And there's a scene where someone gets accused of pickpocking, pickpocketing. So they just grab the guy and string him up and kill him on the spot. That's how it used to be back in the day.

[Blake Neff]

Probably not though. Actually like, I think there's, there's like an image people have of the past and it's very mediated by like the media as it were. And it can give you a mistaken impression of how it generally worked. Like we did in fact have a criminal justice system in 1912. Someone might get lynched in a rushed way and that was bad and that's why we would have campaigns against lynching. But like the criminal justice system, there's a big difference between even 45 days and immediately.

[Tim Pool]

But think about the structure of evidence back in the day. You're not, you had no forensics. It was just did someone see it happen or not? And do we trust the person? And people could lie or otherwise. It's actually.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, in the case of, of the, the McKinley's assassin, this was done, I believe it was the World Expo in Buffalo. So it means he was in front of, you know, he was a receiving line up with a gun.

[Tim Pool]

So for this community that all watched it happen, yeah, it was real easy to just.

[Unidentified Guest]

And also like Lee Harvey Oswald, they, they got him within day, a day or something of Kennedy's. And then Jack Ruby, the guy that killed him, got killed even right after that. Like, like who knows, maybe they were covering trails and then got killed.

[Blake Neff]

So two died of cancer?

[Andrew Colvett]

No, no, he died of cancer.

[Unidentified Guest]

We know the CIA has, has a cancer gun I think was revealed in the church.

[Blake Neff]

Okay, well but to use a recent example like Dylann Roof, I think America would have less racial trauma, less political trauma in it if Dylan Roof, instead of sitting on death row to this day, occasionally writing letters to people and stuff that come out and like cause discord. Like what if Dylann Roof had just been executed eight months after that shooting in Charleston. I think that would have made America a lot better place.

[Tim Pool]

The issue I have is that I think conservatives typically come from a worldview that we are in a country that is a community. When I think what we saw three weeks ago shows that we are not. That there are people who do not live in the same country as we do, despite occupying similar land. And I do not want to give these people the power to execute who they see fitness. I don't think Kamala Harris having the right to execute people is a good idea by any stretch. So if the argument.

[Andrew Colvett]

If she were elected president, she would have the ability to do that.

[Tim Pool]

She would.

[Andrew Colvett]

Under the current law. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So my point is, once again, if everyone in the country held the moral worldview of Charlie Kirk, we don't even need the laws. We don't even need police in the country. We have now the argument for the creation of a mechanization of the state to kill means that you've got all the Soros DAs going like, let's start killing people. That's the challenge I have with it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, but I mean that, you know, I think I believe New York State still has death penalty.

[Blake Neff]

I don't believe so.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, no. Okay, well, then I know California does. Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Though effective more.

[Unidentified Guest]

But that's my point.

[Andrew Colvett]

My point is that that in. In these areas where you have Soros das or, you know, Soros control over huge swaths of territory, these are the very same policies where they're not doing. Doing that.

[Unidentified Guest]

The reason I brought up Oswald, because I feel like they hushed it up. They didn't want, like, this guy that's sitting in prison right now that killed Charlie, that what he was allegedly. The evidence seems to point to. He might come out and tell us something that was like, what? And have evidence like, well, he'll.

[Andrew Colvett]

He'll get a trial. He will get it. He will get a fair trial. If he has mitigating factors. If he, if he was, you know, if there is something else that, that we don't know about yet, he will have the opportunity to present that.

[Tim Pool]

I have a theory for you guys. This guy is a patsy who worked with leftists. There appears to be evidence of coordination. Now, I'm not going to say that this is something I truly believe. Just a thought. What happens if the evidence comes out that that communication between him and his furry boyfriend seems very scripted, and this has caused a lot of people to start pushing conspiracy theories. Matt Walsh, I think, had the best point in that it looks like he wrote this to create reasonable doubt to. So that it could be used as exculpatory evidence for the boyfriend who was actually involved. What happens if in three months, the boyfriend's like, oh, by the way, here's the proof. I didn't do it. I did this so that the real killers could escape.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, it's all the. The text messages were to prevent.

[Tim Pool]

So Matt Walsh's theory, I agree with him on this, but I want to give him credit for it. The messages that came out from the FBI between the alleged assassin and the boyfriend have no typos and are written like theater kids, like it's a script. And liberals have come out saying this proves the FBI faked it. Like the conspiracy theorists. Then there's just general conspiracy theories that that's not real, the FBI faked it. I don't think that's the case at all. Especially knowing Keshe. Matt Walsh said what likely happened is the assassin wrote this fake set of messages to the boyfriend so that in the event of a criminal trial where they bring charges against the boyfriend who coordinated and helped the assassination, they're going to show these messages to the jury and say, reasonable doubt. The messages show the boyfriend had nothing to do with it.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're saying that the boyfriend himself was on trial?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So the idea being.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, no, I get that. Okay. I'm just. I'm just being clear.

[Tim Pool]

There appears to be evidence of coordination.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I, I get what you're saying. I'm just making sure I'm following the, The. The. The theory you're presenting, because, you know, I've seen as well that. And if you read some of the Daily Mail reporting that's gone out on this, you know, these ideas that actually they were saying that it was the boyfriend who was. Was more antisocial, that he was, you know, people referring to him. And again, this is just based on their reporting. I don't have any direct knowledge of this. So, you know, they could be wrong. Right. And. And that, in fact, he was far more political than Tyler Robinson had been. And in fact, people are saying that he. It was them living together as roommates that really kind of corrupted Robinson. And so there's questions of, you know, did he pull him into this group and do all this? Now, by the way, though, none of that. None of that changes the fact of who was on the. On the roof and who pulled the trigger. None of that changes that. Now, again, by assuming that all the evidence is true, and also here's.

[Tim Pool]

Here's here's. There's another theory that the boyfriend's actually the. The assassin wearing a disguise. They're both of similar height, gait, build, appearance. There is a theory that the boyfriend is actually the one who did it. And then the challenge. So here's what I think. I think largely it was a coordinated group of leftists. That explains the Discord chats. It explains the foreknowledge that was presented. It explains the weird nature of this message. And they didn't catch the guy until.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well after 30, 33 hours or something.

[Ian Crossland]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And so again, I don't know, but one of the theories. We've seen the photo of the dude in the. In the. In the. The Dairy Queen. There's a lot of really kooky conspiracy theories about palm guns and trapdoors and. Exactly. However, what if the real shooter is the roommate? The script. The messages were scripted to create exculpatory. A fake exculpatory evidence. And this is. They coordinate.

[Blake Neff]

Then he's an accessory. Fry him.

[Andrew Colvett]

He's still an accessory.

[Blake Neff]

But either way, though, accessory to murder is full murder deficit.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying if there's a coordinated network, we've got a very, very serious problem. And I believe that's well and obviously.

[Andrew Colvett]

And by the way, you know, you still, of course, need to. You'd need to present that in court. You need to present evidence of. All right, you know, are there. Are there fingerprints? Are there. You know, who had access to the gun? And by the way, the. The, you know, Tyler Robinson. The fact that it was again, his father's gun, you know, originally the grandfathers, but, you know, father in control of it. That, you know, this. The fact that, you know, you have to say, okay, was the boyfriend physically, you know, because there was about, what, three hours away, you know, so was he physically anywhere present? Can we. Can we prove that? You got to prove it. That's all I'm saying.

[Tim Pool]

They had a bunch of vehicles came to their house in the. Was it in the week prior. Cash is investigating that. He's investigating the Discord servers. They're invest. And he's publicly stated this. It's not a conspiracy. He's investigating these people who allegedly. Who appeared to have foreknowledge.

[Andrew Colvett]

And thank God he is.

[Tim Pool]

I agreed. Agreed. So it's fascinating when the conspiracy theories come out. I'm like, guys, there is a conspiracy. It appears. You know, Cash is literally telling you he's tracking all of these things. I think we're going to find that there's more leftists involved in this. It was. It was. Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Why did you tweet this?

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

What did you know? And. And let's be frank, by the way. So I saw there were some discords that came out that. That an account that has been associated with Tyler Robinson, but it was more of, like, a gamer chat. Think about the people who use discord. All right. Are you really just in one room?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, no, it's like there was in several. Yeah, several.

[Andrew Colvett]

I've never heard of one person just in one room. I've never heard of that.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, so it's like you're. They're like, oh, well, this discord was apolitical. Yeah, because it was the apolitical, like, guys in my high school who play Halo chat.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, exactly.

[Blake Neff]

And then you can also just join the. I am, you know, a big transgender lunatic on. And then.

[Andrew Colvett]

And then. Then where's the. So where's the furry chat? And where's the furry porn extreme furry porn chat that this guy was looking at, which included, by the way, depictions of, like, children or what they call cub porn, these people, in. In furry parlance, which is a term that I have to know now.

[Blake Neff]

And if you have been on discord, you will know transgender people are lunatics. Like, they're just. They're. They're extremists, and they take over things. So you can join some group that's related to something totally different, some game series, some hobby, but, like, the moderator will take it over and there'll be, you know, some sort of furry or transgender thing. And then now the logo of your group has a permanent pride flag in the background. A very funny example of this is like the. The NFL subreddit on Reddit, like, has permanent, like, you know, the full trans pride flag is, like, still. Still waving on it right now in their center icon.

[Andrew Colvett]

Is that true? I'm looking. I'm looking it up right now. The NFL subreddit.

[Unidentified Guest]

I. I have a. I'll ask another.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, I don't. I don't disbelieve you, but I've just. I have to see this a lot.

[Unidentified Guest]

While you guys are pulling up.

[Tim Pool]

Just. We're on the NFL subreddit. It's.

[Blake Neff]

It's the main NFL subreddit. You got to use the old form rather than the new form, which is what everyone prefers anyway.

[Andrew Colvett]

What do you mean, the old.

[Blake Neff]

Look at it.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's right there.

[Unidentified Guest]

Just Isaac Newton's Prism Light.

[Andrew Colvett]

And then if you wanna.

[Tim Pool]

I have it pulled up, actually, and there you go.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's. It's like games that are like on right now that they're. That they're referring to.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. Right here. Yeah.

[Unidentified Guest]

I think any ideology that takes over.

[Andrew Colvett]

A system is probably there, right there.

[Blake Neff]

In the middle of it. The got the. All the colors you have, and then it's.

[Andrew Colvett]

And right in the first top. And the top thread there is Thursday football.

[Tim Pool]

Why? Why. Why are people watching football, man? Watch baseball.

[Unidentified Guest]

Dudes are ramming into each other's much.

[Tim Pool]

Better, but baseball's better.

[Blake Neff]

So the furries, like, it's better.

[Andrew Colvett]

Like when the Phillies defeat the Dodgers on Saturday, baseball's like playing.

[Unidentified Guest]

It's like pool. No wonder you like it. It comes more like accuracy.

[Andrew Colvett]

I. I believe the Cubs did win, actually. I just saw that. And then shout out to the Cubs, by the way, because that was. That was Charlie's team.

[Tim Pool]

Moral question about execution on the south side. But, you know, when you, when you leave Chicago, it's like, the Cubs are your brother. So you can rag on them when you're in town, but when you're out of town, they're your team.

[Andrew Colvett]

That tracks.

[Unidentified Guest]

So with capital punishment, some people were like, or at least across my mind, public executions. We've kind of gotten rid of them in society because maybe they do more harm than good. And at first I was like, does this guy deserve to be lit up?

[Andrew Colvett]

Is that true?

[Unidentified Guest]

In front of groups? But my concern would be that the video would be taken of it, and then that would replicate 100 million times online for little kids would see it and they'd go even crazier and it.

[Tim Pool]

Would do like, public execution.

[Andrew Colvett]

So this is actually, it's funny, I'm looking at Blake, because this thing that you're talking about is one of the things that people have been using to smear Charlie about that. He said on this program. I don't remember the.

[Blake Neff]

No, we were, we were debating.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we were having this debate.

[Blake Neff]

And then on top of that, we also brought up. I. I brought up what I've argued before. I was like, well, yeah, the death penalty is not a very good deterrent now because it's a thing that is done a handful of times because it's 30 years after the fact.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's not immediate.

[Blake Neff]

And I said, if you're going to do it properly, like, it should be swift. It should be pretty consistently applied for certain crimes. So it's like, if you do assassination, if you do multiple mergers, like you will, barring extreme mitigating circumstances, get the death penalty. And then one of the things I argued is it should Arguably be done like in public in some way. Like people should be able to see justice being.

[Andrew Colvett]

And Blake, what did you say?

[Blake Neff]

And then I suggested.

[Andrew Colvett]

So Charlie says I think it should. And then Charlie had said televised, right? Yeah, yeah. He was like, they should televise it. And then. And then Blake added.

[Blake Neff]

And then he threw out. He's like, and what a. Like, should we have people watch it? And I threw out. I was like maybe 12, 12. And my all to explain my thinking is we have people in like D.C. for example, where if you have you heard about the carjackings going on in D.C. all the time.

[Tim Pool]

Horrific.

[Blake Neff]

The people who do this are heavily minors because if you are 20 years old and carjack someone, you trigger like the federal carjacking offense and you swear.

[Andrew Colvett]

You see this on. But if you're a minor, you see this every day. You know a 13 year old is involved in a shooting. 13 in carjacking. 13.

[Tim Pool]

You guys are. You guys are wrong. You're wrong. No, no, no. Let me tell you. I can't speak for the rest of the country. I can tell you in Chicago the urban violence that we have would not be solved or mitigated in any way by public executions or death penalties. Penalty.

[Andrew Colvett]

I know what you're gonna say.

[Tim Pool]

You do? Because I've talked about it before and you're gonna agree with me. Maybe he won't.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

You might. So where I grew up, these. A lot of the shootings you get in Chicago are about dishonor. So I actually, I went night crawling with a journalist once and we. There's like five corpses. They were. One house was an old lady who got shot because three dudes pulled up and unloaded switches sprayed into the house. They were looking for a dude who went on Snapchat and called the guy's girlfriend nasty or ratchet or something. Something. Death penalty doesn't scare these guys because they just, they. They want to go hard. If you take these urban criminals and the penalty is they have to put on a diaper and a baby bonnet with a pacifier and hop like a bunny down Roosevelt Avenue, literally straight down it for like 12 miles while everyone lines up and films it and they have to say I'm a big baby boo boo over and over again. They'd stop committing crimes overnight. And I'm not exact. I know it's a silly thought and it's meant to be kind of silly. My point is if you tell them that you will dishonor them for life, they will hide from you and they Will run in fear, and they'll do everything they can to avoid.

[Unidentified Guest]

So you're saying public humiliation.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm totally for that. By the way.

[Blake Neff]

General, I've often advocated, like, you know, I'll joke. This is less of a serious thing, But I've pointed out it could work because the left always says, abolish prisons.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Blake Neff]

And I'm like, you could abolish prison, like. Like a lot of prisons if you basically just had a situation where you replaced prison, where on the low end, severe public humiliation.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Blake Neff]

So your first offense will, like, flog you in public or make you wear a diaper.

[Tim Pool]

You can do that. That makes them harder.

[Blake Neff]

No, but for flogging, getting flogged, like, on your butt, on your bare butt, is pretty humiliating.

[Tim Pool]

These guys are gonna. In public to a certain degree, but getting beaten, anything that makes them hard, they like.

[Blake Neff]

But the thing is, is, like, they.

[Tim Pool]

Don'T say, I don't want to go to jail. They say, when. I'm not kidding. On the south side, they say, when I go to jail, I will do this. When I go to jail, I will do that. If this happens to me, I will do that. They brag about how they might get the death penalty.

[Blake Neff]

The reason you don't brag when you get flogged is if you're getting flogged properly, you start screaming really loudly while it happens because it's extremely painful.

[Tim Pool]

I know you're saying that, dude, but these guys shoot each other for less. They know they will get shot for less in public. They don't care.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, Blake. Blake. Blake was talking about a spectrum. So let's. Let's.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, so I was saying a spectrum, which is. Yeah, at the low end, you could humiliate someone in various ways. And I do think flogging would actually be pretty humiliating. And then the higher end would be things like, oh, we're gonna chemically castrate you because you are a habitual offender. That could be. Or, you know, literally castrate them either. And then at the high end, death penalty. And then you would basically be able to get rid of vast majority of prisons if you had that level of escalation.

[Tim Pool]

Not in Chicago.

[Blake Neff]

Well, you know, maybe Chicago, we should just.

[Tim Pool]

I can't speak for Baltimore.

[Blake Neff]

Build a wall around it and not let anyone, maybe.

[Tim Pool]

So if you. If you. If you. If you go to Chicago, you. In. In these neighborhoods, you get the death penalty for saying f you. These guys do not fear being killed. They're listless, purposeless, and they are killed for much less than the crimes you're describing, they will. They will, like, watch the. Nick Shirley's got a great video where he goes to gang territory. They all carry around guns and they're like, you'll die for being in the wrong neighborhood. The death penalty for crossing the wrong street. The flogging. I'll tell you this. Agreed. But it's got to be a guy. It's got to be a middle class, white dad looking guy. And he's got to be delivering the flogging with a guy bent over his lap while he wears a baby bonnet and a diaper. Here's another. Here's another thing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Beautiful.

[Tim Pool]

That's going to be very, very offensive. But I guarantee you will make these guys avoid doing crime. Two guys who are accused of committing violent crime have to kiss each other in public. Oh, these dudes.

[Blake Neff]

Can we get that video? Is there too much swearing in that video?

[Andrew Colvett]

We should show there's a thug and love video because we're on YouTube right now. Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Who are accused of serious violent crimes. And you said, we're gonna put you on stage at Grant park and you're gonna kiss. They'd be like, I'm going to Canada. I'm going to.

[Andrew Colvett]

What's the line?

[Tim Pool]

It's like.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's like. It's like I'm booting and thugging or something. I can't remember.

[Tim Pool]

I'm half kidding about the kissing thing. The hopping down Roosevelt wearing a diaper and a baby bonnet with a pacifier. Guaranteed it would work. Stockades.

[Unidentified Guest]

With this situation, with Charlie's death, I felt like the best. The best, like, defense of it ever happening. Some of this ever happening was that it was. The movement was impervious.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, it's corking and thugging the movement.

[Unidentified Guest]

It wasn't derailed by Charlie's death. It's still moving, if not even stronger than before. So obviously Charlie's loss is like, I mean, incalculable.

[Tim Pool]

I have a question for you. I'll finish your thoughts. Sorry.

[Unidentified Guest]

Oh, that. If we break down into violence and start attacking in response, that. That's the response they want. I heard you guys talking about rules for radicals earlier.

[Tim Pool]

I have a question. What do you think is more cruel? You know, we say no cruel and unusual punishment. What is more cruel? Putting someone in prison for 20 years or putting them in prison for two years, but while they're in prison, it's a glass front. Everyone can watch and they have to wear a baby bonnet and a diaper the whole time they're in prison. Which is more cruel. 20 years in prison. And you guys can answer this too. Or two years with a glass front. Everyone can walk by. It's in the middle of downtown Chicago. People walk by, they can point. And you gotta drink.

[Blake Neff]

What if we contracted with Mr. Beast and, like, he let Beast contestants, like, torment the prisoner in various ways?

[Andrew Colvett]

Like can. Can.

[Blake Neff]

$10,000, you don't get a toilet for the next.

[Andrew Colvett]

Only. Only. Only if Mr. Beast has to go first, actually.

[Tim Pool]

But no, no. So what. What do you think? Because of what's more cruel?

[Andrew Colvett]

All of it.

[Unidentified Guest]

If the guy had a 20 years sentence legitimately, it would be the humiliating seeing them through the glass like it was two different dudes.

[Tim Pool]

So I'm saying there's one guy, but.

[Andrew Colvett]

You'Re taking 20 years.

[Tim Pool]

The court says you can go to prison.

[Unidentified Guest]

They put them in the hole. That's more cruel and unusual.

[Tim Pool]

20 years in a supermax prison. Or two years, but anybody's good. You're going to be in public and you gotta dress like a baby. Which is more cruel, probably.

[Blake Neff]

I feel like we'd be at serious risk that they would just embrace the baby aesthetic.

[Andrew Colvett]

Like you have a gang called the Babies.

[Blake Neff]

They would all wear diapers in public all the time.

[Andrew Colvett]

Just doesn't work like torture.

[Blake Neff]

Like, I'm just gonna say urban culture is pretty good at making things cool.

[Unidentified Guest]

Torture. Torture existed for probably all of human history until like 80 years ago or something.

[Tim Pool]

This is really important for you guys. The Chicago gangs are all Catholics.

[Ian Crossland]

What?

[Tim Pool]

The popes, the disciples. I'm not kidding. What are they? Yeah, they. They tend to have Catholic accolades or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unidentified Guest]

Maybe something switched. And this is a little.

[Tim Pool]

There's a bunch of different popes too.

[Unidentified Guest]

I'm zooming out when in. Like, once we developed television and we were able to record our own behavior and see how. How some of the stuff, like beating women on it used to be cool. On, like a movie. Sean Connery would smack a girl, but. And then we were like, hold on. Maybe now that we can see it from a distance, we realize this aspect of our humanity. Who's got to change. Just the culture in general is like, stop hitting women on tv. And torture is another thing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Torture.

[Unidentified Guest]

Now that we can see the repercussions of it. Like, Ian, we've kind of pulled back on torture with the Geneva Convention.

[Tim Pool]

I got cracked up. Industrial torture, striking women on TV is now comedy. I'm not kidding. Family Guy does it all the time.

[Unidentified Guest]

Okay, Comedy, you can pull it off, but, like, you know, it's funny. Less than me. That energy is kind of like let's. Let's not do that.

[Tim Pool]

Like they have a whole bit of Liam Neeson, like beating some woman.

[Unidentified Guest]

Racism's kind of starting to Vanish since the 50s and 60s, since television, not.

[Tim Pool]

Since DEI and wokeness emerged.

[Unidentified Guest]

But it started to really like the whole world started change when we saw ourselves from a distance. Distance.

[Tim Pool]

Who did the. Just the way we be. Like when we civilized looked at the earth and was like, ah, that too.

[Unidentified Guest]

We saw the earth from a distance.

[Andrew Colvett]

As you're saying that. You're saying that. That television, because it's so much more persuasive than print, especially on a mass scale and. And even more so than radio because it's visual. That the advent of television and the mass spread of television in from a commercial level, on a personal level, particularly in the 1950s and then that it may have led a sort of seated the ground for the counterculture of the 1960s and the cultural revolution that we saw in the United States and in China.

[Unidentified Guest]

Probably Mao's Cultural revolution kind of coincided with particularly radio.

[Andrew Colvett]

There's not a lot of video that. Radio.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yes, radio. Because that was like the first step is all audio recording, just records in general. And then Hitler used it obviously to mass form an entire society for whatever purpose he had.

[Andrew Colvett]

And then, by the way, I am, I am told to say Happy birthday to Chris. So it's Chris's birthday out there. He's a big fan.

[Blake Neff]

Big fan.

[Andrew Colvett]

I just want to say perfect. And I just want to say, hey Chris, happy birthday. Feliz Navidad.

[Unidentified Guest]

Happy birthday, Chris. The reason I brought up is because if you could. This is such a horrible thing to say out loud. It tortures someone. Someone in a deep fake. So they don't have to actually get tortured, but you get to watch them suffer. But you think it's real because it's a deep fake. Would that be effective humiliation?

[Tim Pool]

What if we could put people in a neural link where it would simulate being in prison for 20 years, but it only took 20 minutes.

[Unidentified Guest]

That's coming.

[Blake Neff]

Wouldn't people use that to just like also fake live a long time?

[Tim Pool]

It's a movie. There's a movie about this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Isn't that a.

[Tim Pool]

They take eye drops with nanites in them that hit their memories and then they get instantly get a memory of like skiing in Aspen or something. And so there's like a woman recall as well.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah, the. The old Arnold Schwarzenegger like I'm gonna take a vacation to Mars.

[Tim Pool]

So there's like A guy, and he says, we can, we can sell this to prisons and then we can do 20 or prison sentences overnight. And then the woman who's worked with them, she's like, this is supposed to be for entertainment. And then she, like, they get into a fight and then she makes them go to prison for 100 years or something. And he's like, ah. And then a minute later comes back and he's insane.

[Unidentified Guest]

You could do the opposite too, where you put someone, they live their life, 20 years go by, but they only remember like 10 seconds of it.

[Tim Pool]

How about this? How about this serious. What if we could use a neural link and rewrite their brain? And it would, it would keep their memories and their personality, but eliminate the ability to commit crime. Like, literally, they, anytime they would commit any kind of crime, they would get physically sick and, and feel scared.

[Blake Neff]

You know, there was, there was this old 90s show called Babylon 5. I believe I remember that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Scott Adams is on that.

[Blake Neff]

They had an episode where like, instead of the death penalty, they would do death of personality, basically.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wow. And they would kind of do a.

[Blake Neff]

Version of that, except they would also basically rewrite your personality. So like, you would come back as like, essentially a pro, social better person.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, this is, this is the, this, this was the theory behind lobotomization. Yeah, originally, that, you know, if we remove certain parts of the brain that target aggression, that'd be okay, you know, whatever the variety is. I would say depends on the, depends on the cause.

[Tim Pool]

Let's say you've got somebody who. Let's say there's like a brutal murder and it's like death penalty warranted. And the courts are like, we can give him the death penalty or we can rewrite his brain so that he no longer has the ability to be violent or do any of these things, he'll still go to prison for a certain amount of time, like 20 years. But, you know, would you prefer that over the death penalty? 20 years in prison and a rewriting of their brain so they can never commit a murder again?

[Andrew Colvett]

No frame.

[Unidentified Guest]

I think that, that it's really going to start happening with Palantir and neural net, the ability to. And graphene sensors, like super sensitive sensors where you can actually record brain waves and understand and reverse engineer thought patterns and stuff that we will have the opportunity to blank people's brains, aspects of it without.

[Andrew Colvett]

But then what happens when that system gets hacked?

[Unidentified Guest]

That's the problem, man.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's the problem.

[Tim Pool]

So I want to read some super chats.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I think we probably have some stuff too.

[Tim Pool]

I think I got one from a Barnes. He says, nameless and faceless. Round two. Who can name three liters of Antifa? Who can name three liters of antifa? Says it over and over again because he thinks it's a gotcha. I'll say this for legal reasons. I will simply direct you to Nate Friedman on Instagram. Nate Friedman underscore and just watch his videos. So I can probably name 12 or more.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I'm just going. I'm going through. I'm like, okay, so DT Antifa has this one, this one, this one, this one. The. You know, and people who have been charged, by the way, for. For various things. The person who, you know, assaulted me in Lincoln Square park when, you know, there's that picture of us.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna put it like this. Records. Considering Trump has named them a terrorist organization, there's a whole legal minefield in starting to name people who we know are organizing these things and are working with funding. And I'm. I'm actually friends a lot of them on Facebook, actually, because I know I'm from Zocupy, and I would just say Nate Friedman is doing a really good job in investigating a lot of these people. All you got to do is look at his page, and he's got dossiers on these guys.

[Unidentified Guest]

It's crazy.

[Tim Pool]

And, ladies, the dude that I know.

[Unidentified Guest]

On Facebook tends to type things like, pick up bricks. I'm like. Like, I feel like I should report it to the FBI. I'm like. Then I think about the Nazis and how people would, like, inform on them when there's a Jew, and I'm like, I want nothing to do with this. Just distance myself from this crazy radical.

[Tim Pool]

Because. But.

[Unidentified Guest]

But rhetoric.

[Tim Pool]

You're right, Ian. Those are the same thing. Like, being a Jew who owns a store is the same thing as being a violent extremist who wants people to go commit acts of terrorism. Right?

[Unidentified Guest]

Because pick up bricks.

[Tim Pool]

Right? We all know, like, it doesn't. Let's go. Sarcasm. It doesn't.

[Unidentified Guest]

He's not commanding someone to go throw it. But, like, what else would you be holding up?

[Tim Pool]

I'm not playing this game. Jack's not playing this game. It's part of a puzzle of. No, it's not. Tweedledee. Tweedledum. Death threats don't fly anymore. Lock them all up. If. If Tweedledee says, pick up a brick. If Tweedledum says fascists should hit with bricks. But then that's.

[Andrew Colvett]

What if he tweeted out? What if he Tweeted out, hey, fascist catch, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Guest]

It's sensitive to the time of that being on a bullet that was used.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, we are now in a post Charlie Kirk world.

[Unidentified Guest]

Well, then.

[Andrew Colvett]

And in a post Charlie Kirk world, I think a lot of those niceties that we used to play by, they just don't apply.

[Unidentified Guest]

So what happens to people that witness things like pick up a brick and they don't say anything about. Are they not accomplished?

[Andrew Colvett]

It's not. No, it is. It is. They are cowards. It is not a crime to not report a crime. However, you. You should as a citizen of the United States, because you would want to know if someone was. So let's say someone had decided to. And I mean, look, let's. Let's be fair. Obviously, this studio, this Turning Point, has faced numerous threats. You guys have been swatted and targeted so many times. So I would absolutely pick up the phone and call Tim or call you and say, hey, guys, I saw this thing. You might want to key into it.

[Tim Pool]

And we. And this happens. And I've been in. This is current. I'm not going to get into specifics for security reasons, but I've currently been in contact directly with the FBI over what's going on. That's how serious things are right now. So my point is this. If Tweedledee says someone should kill fascists and then Tweedledum points at Jack and goes, hey, look, a fascist, lock them both up. The point of what they're doing is they're trying to say as long as half of the phrase is from one person and half is from the other, we haven't created an imminent threat against an individual. I say, I don't care. I'm not playing a stupid game. We know exactly what you're doing and why you're doing it.

[Unidentified Guest]

Blake, are you, like, what kind of level of. I asked these guys this last night, level of brutality are you at this point? Because I know you were there with Charlie when he was killed. Like Jack said, like, three feet away or something. Six feet away.

[Andrew Colvett]

Ten.

[Unidentified Guest]

Ten feet away.

[Andrew Colvett]

Three steps.

[Unidentified Guest]

And I imagine that that changed your nervous system or something.

[Andrew Colvett]

Did it?

[Blake Neff]

I don't want to presume things.

[Tim Pool]

When we got here, he was screaming and punching a pillow, but it was.

[Andrew Colvett]

A pill that looked like Ian.

[Unidentified Guest]

There's, like, ask only and I'll let you answer if you do have. I'm thinking of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam where the troops were basically broken by seeing their friends die, and they massacred a village of women and children, and then they had to land. A guy landed a helicopter, pointed to the guns at his own men and was like, stop or I'm gonna kill you all. And it was the captain got charged and then pardoned for it. Are you in that state?

[Blake Neff]

I don't want to talk too much about it, not the least because I've been told not to say too much about it as an eyewitness like Blake.

[Andrew Colvett]

Could be called at the trial.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. I'm not sure what I'd say besides what I saw, but I don't know, I guess I just would prefer rather not to wallow in that.

[Andrew Colvett]

I would say though that Blake, look, you've been here every day since, I mean you've been handling it for and, and everyone here who, who was there, including we have staffers here who went even beyond that. And I just don't want to get into it right now, but you know, it's, I, I, and I'll Ian. Just, just to answer in for Blake, in a sense, you've, you've never called for anything other than a fair trial. That's all he said. And we were here live when they announced the charges and we had a very civil discussion about how we want this person to have a fair trial. And that's, that's what we want.

[Blake Neff]

I was nasty in one way. There was that fellow on the campus who according to police, he like after the shot happened.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, the older guy.

[Blake Neff]

The older guy who like kind of tried to take credit for it, which.

[Andrew Colvett]

He later came out and said he was trying to be a decoy.

[Blake Neff]

Exactly. And according to reports, he's like a known campus nuisance.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right, right.

[Blake Neff]

He, in fact, I think they had a standing order to arrest him if he wants was seen. But he blended in because there were so many people.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

I would say, I am so minded. I would say like, why should that person not be charged as an after the fact accessory?

[Andrew Colvett]

I don't understand why.

[Tim Pool]

We agree.

[Andrew Colvett]

I don't think it's nasty at all.

[Blake Neff]

He was attempting to help a murderer.

[Andrew Colvett]

He helped him to escape.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Guest]

I, I asked about the br, like what level of brutality?

[Andrew Colvett]

Justice. It's way more than it's, I mean it's so many things.

[Unidentified Guest]

I feel like we're on the precipice of like some sort of brutality that is, I'm talking about justice now. Government coming to use the boot of force on terror networks. And least and in China, like we had the Tiananmen Square massacre that was incredibly brutal and then silenced the rally in China, according to the Government, they were. And then the Hong Kong riots where they were out there spraying water mixed with, you know, pepper spray with blue ink so that they can burn these people's skin and then track them down later.

[Tim Pool]

Like it wasn't to burn their level.

[Unidentified Guest]

Track them down, and it burned their skin in the process with the pepper spray. But what level of brutality would you be willing to accept to get this job done? Do you go, what job? Quelling the chaos?

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Unidentified Guest]

I know that's a vague term, and.

[Tim Pool]

It'S ever again the problem with the Patriot act. And let me slow you down and try and explain something. I don't think you know what's going on in the world, nor do you understand what it takes to create a civil society. And I'm not saying that derisively. You're saying what degree of brutality are you willing to accept? Apparently, even the assassination of our friend has not changed our minds in escalating force in any unlawful way. So the point is, they have not only killed people we love and care about, they have killed innocent bystanders, they have shot people simply for driving their cars, they have imprisoned the President, they've arrested his lawyers, they have committed such egregious violations of our moral worldview. The degree of brutality, I think, let's just call it 100% brutality, because I think when you, when you arrest Trump's lawyers, unconsciously raid his home, target his family, when you arrest all of his business associates, falsely accuse him of rape, run them through the courts, try and seize his property, falsely accuse him of fraud, target his supporters, create a police force that goes nationwide, raids people's homes, we're talking about the highest degree of brutality. So what degree of brutality are willing to accept?

[Unidentified Guest]

Apparently all of it in return now? Because, like, worst case, I'm thinking and picturing, oh, we're going to, we're going to get moving. But to go like, if an TIFA were to hole up in a building, they're. They're leaders and they're pointing their guns out and they're not letting guys in. Guy try to kick the windows in. Navy seals, four troops get killed. They're like, just blow up the building. They got civilians in there, take out the building. We don't care.

[Tim Pool]

Jackson.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I'm just saying that, you know, if we do want to get to some more chats.

[Unidentified Guest]

Thank you, guys, for letting me scare.

[Blake Neff]

Let's read those before we lose time.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we're getting close. I think we're going to lose the studio, and it's Just. We started. We started a little bit late. Right. But you know, if there's any. If there's any specific ones you wanted to get to or.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I don't see any. I might have missed seminars because I only started looking late.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Blake Neff]

So apologize if that. I apologize if that happened to any of you, but we can check the ones on YouTube too.

[Tim Pool]

All right, well, let me. Let me grab one. That's. Enrique C. Says between the hats, music and the shout out, I feel very seen today. Longtime fan. Love you all. I am Charlie Kirk.

[Andrew Colvett]

What does he mean about the hats? I don't.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe Ian, he's got a shout out.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah, Mexicans and everybody.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's. Someone in chat said that it was like a yamaka Sombrero. Yes, sombrero, yama.

[Unidentified Guest]

You know me. Shout out to all the Jews and all the Mexicans and everybody else.

[Andrew Colvett]

Happy young word.

[Tim Pool]

That's today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't scroll. This is so annoying. I'm trying to scroll. Tim Neil says, wow, Ian, your account of the My Lai massacre didn't even. It didn't even. One single fact. I, I got to agree. I. I pulled it up right away and I was like, Ian, you're wrong.

[Unidentified Guest]

What about?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you said that like they were so shocked by seeing their friends killed or whatever.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah, they were more battle fatigued.

[Tim Pool]

It. It just says that they gang raped women.

[Unidentified Guest]

They did do that.

[Tim Pool]

Mutilated bodies. I. Yeah.

[Unidentified Guest]

And only one guy got charged for it. The captain that issued it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Guest]

Command. And Nixon pardoned him.

[Blake Neff]

Like William Cali was the name.

[Tim Pool]

But I don't trust Wikipedia anyway, by the way, there's.

[Andrew Colvett]

Public opinion was strongly on his side, if I remember correctly, because they. They viewed him as being extremely overcharged. I think we covered this like a while ago, didn't we?

[Blake Neff]

I'm not sure. I don't think I was there if we did.

[Andrew Colvett]

I. I remember just talking about this not long ago. Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Not with me, I don't think.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Farrah says not much, but here's a donation for your security. I'll become a member tonight. Love what you do. Keep up the fight. And there's two things all of you can do and you should do. You can join our discord [e-mail] and you can sign up for Turning Point USA and become a monthly donor and help them do the work they're doing. And I don't know if your show actually has an alternate form as well for membership.

[Blake Neff]

There is CK exclusives if they want to Sign up for that. So I think it is.

[Tim Pool]

What is it?

[Blake Neff]

Is it Charlie Kirk exclusive?

[Andrew Colvett]

Someone's just go to charliekirk.com, you'll see how to do it there. And there's exclusives, exclusive content. Erica, who was here the other day, sitting right where Blake is. Tim, actually, where. Where you're sitting right now is where Erica gave her speech. You know, that's. That's the spot. And. And she said there's. There are unreleased, you know, tapes and, you know, maybe speeches that were private for a, you know, a fun, fun fundraising group, etc, that people can go into. And so members at charlie kirk members.charliekirk.com members.charlie kirk network.com to get there, I.

[Tim Pool]

Wanted to address just what he was saying about security, too. I've talked to for the longest time, everyone always says, don't talk about what's going on with security. Steven Crowder pointed this out. I've been talking about a little bit more, and I've just had a few more conversations as of recent. Obviously, I'll keep it a bit vague, but in the past couple of weeks, the amount of threats we've got have been extremely serious and have escalated. The point where I'm in direct contact with the FBI, which is a pretty crazy thing to say because I wouldn't have bothered doing that in the previous administration. I think we did. We had a bunch of threats where the bomb threats, the swatting's, and they didn't do jack. This current FBI is taking it very seriously, and the threats we have are legit and very serious and probably the worst we've ever seen. I've been told quite a bit by everybody, just don't bring it up. Don't talk about it. You make it worse. The problem with that is, is exactly as Steven Crowder pointed out. So I stand with him in saying this. If we do not explain to everybody watching that in order to have shows like this where we're goofing off and having philosophical conversations about morals and stuff, just doing this results in people taking real action to try and end our lives. And in Charlie's case, these horrible people murdered this man. I think it's important that we do talk about it when it does happen. I've talked about, you know, the swatting's never stopped. We got swatted 15 times in one year. We just had security handle it. We say we're just done talking about it. I mean, what's the point? Are we gonna keep sitting? Are we gonna be the SWAT show where we Say, hey, it happened again. So with the threats that we get now, I do think when it's relevant, when it matters, we should talk about this. And I should tell you that it's very serious right now. It's extremely expensive. We are spending tens of thousands of dollars more than we normally do because of how serious it is. And I'm literally having to get on the phone with the FBI because of how serious serious it is. I don't want to go into any personal details, but let me just say, these things are terrifying. If we don't talk about it regular. People have the perception that we're chilling, having a good time, making bank life is good. The left, I don't think, experiences the degree of threats that we do. I will say this. There's a particular leftist personality who lives in a normal urban neighborhood with neighbors. Everybody knows this, and he doesn't seem to have a care in the world, despite having a massive audience and being a prominent leftist. And I have to move out of the city and get away because we had a pedophile try to break into my house when I was in Jersey. And the cops.

[Blake Neff]

It's one of the worst things to break into your house.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And the cops told me if I defended myself, I'd go to prison. So I'm like, okay, time to move. Time to get away.

[Blake Neff]

Well, you're not a. You're not a child. He's not after you. You would have no reason to defend yourself. I guess that's the reason.

[Unidentified Guest]

It was the kid that you were keeping under the bed that they would have freaked out.

[Tim Pool]

New Jersey says that if you can flee, you have to. And if you can't flee, don't worry. After you're charged with felony murder, we'll figure it out.

[Andrew Colvett]

Even in your house, in your house.

[Tim Pool]

In New Jersey, if you are in your home.

[Blake Neff]

Liberalism.

[Tim Pool]

Not even if you are in your home and someone breaks in and screams that they're going to kill you, you cannot shoot them. The only circumstance in which you are allowed is if you are trapped. Now, here's the thing. You will be arrested. I asked the cops, I talked to a lawyer about this. They said, you will be arrested after killing this person. You will be charged with felony murder. At court, you will argue you could not escape. If, however, the defense, the prosecution will then argue, here's why you could have. If it is all brought to you, brought to you, and you answer the question that, well, maybe I could have escaped prison. If you say, where. Where am I supposed to escape to prison? Because what you're telling the judge and the jury is I would rather murder a man than stand outside in the cold. You are not allowed to kill people in New Jersey, in Maryland, only if they try to break into your house.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is a perfect example of next governor of New Jersey should be Jack Schiatarelli and make New Jersey red Jersey. Make that happen. We've seen and we talked about last night, Tim, I think three independent polls now in a row saying that this race is either within the margin of error or is completely tied. That is a perfect example. Restore the right of self defense to New Jerseyans. And yes, yes, even as a Pennsylvanian, I will say that New Jerseyans do deserve rights, you know, you know, case by case basis, perhaps, but you know, the right to self defense should be sacrosanct. And this is absolutely something that a new governor and legislature, of course, hopefully can push through.

[Blake Neff]

And always remember the big picture rule, the reason this is the law is that when someone breaks into your home, the right implicitly sympathizes with the homeowner who's being attacked and the left naturally sympathizes with the person breaking in.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Should we do wrap up? Should we wrap up?

[Andrew Colvett]

We should. We're just about at time, Tim. This has been wild.

[Blake Neff]

This is fun.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, bro, it's been so awesome, you guys having us here and affording us the ability to do the show from Charlie's studio, to get to sit next to his great chair, to get to have IRL in the TPSA buildings. It's a. It's an honor and a privilege.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I mean, we appreciate so much that you came in that you dedicated an entire week to this, to being here. And you know, Tim's like, oh, well, it's scheduling now. Come on me. You still did it. You still did it.

[Tim Pool]

And I don't want to downplay it's tough. Security is tough.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And you still did it. And you know, and I'm not saying I'm judging people, you know, if they weren't able to make it to Memorial or something like that. But you were here. You were here at a time like this.

[Tim Pool]

I'm honored to be. To be invited.

[Unidentified Guest]

Let's do it again.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Smash the like button. Share the show on both channels. Subscribe to all the shows. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast.

[Blake Neff]

They ordered me onto X now. Yes, I'm there.

[Andrew Colvett]

Blake is now a real boy.

[Blake Neff]

Blake S neff.

[Andrew Colvett]

A real boy. Blake, of course, was, you know, was smeared and doxed and had been canceled in 2020, right? Yep. Yeah, in. In 2020. Not a good time by CNN. And his first video went viral with you and Tucker Carlson sitting right here and talking about how it was Charlie Kirk who. Who said, you know what? I'm gonna hire that guy. I don't care what they said.

[Unidentified Guest]

What is your Twitter again?

[Andrew Colvett]

Blake?

[Blake Neff]

At Blake Snuff, it would be Blake Neff, but I had to delete that one when they doxed me. So now I have to add my middle initial to it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Can you get it back?

[Unidentified Guest]

Thanks, man.

[Blake Neff]

They didn't let me.

[Unidentified Guest]

Right now maybe Elon will. Elon's listening.

[Blake Neff]

Let's go get his number.

[Andrew Colvett]

I know a guy. I know a guy.

[Unidentified Guest]

Released Gavin McGinnis a few weeks ago.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, he's got his back.

[Unidentified Guest]

Ian Cross, the Pulse at Ian Crossland. You can find me there everywhere on the Internet, YouTube, Twitter, all the good websites. Follow me at Ian Crossland again, man. Thank you guys so much for hosting. Thank you, Charlie, for everything you've done and what you've built. And we will continue this process and make it even better than you could have ever imagined. Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime.

[Tim Pool]

Sam.