Elon Musk Says X Hit By MASSIVE Cyberattack From Ukraine, Rumble Hit Too w/Ben Davidson

Summary

Timcast IRL Episode Summary: Elon Musk Says X Hit By MASSIVE Cyberattack From Ukraine, Rumble Hit Too w/Ben Davidson

Release Date: March 11, 2025
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Ben Davidson, Shane Cashman, Phil Labonte

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Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves into a range of pressing issues, from massive cyberattacks on major social media platforms to the surge in plane crashes and the viral phenomenon surrounding Vice President J.D. Vance. Joining him are guests Ben Davidson, Shane Cashman, and Phil Labonte, who contribute diverse perspectives on these topics.

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Massive Cyberattacks on X and Rumble

[00:27] Tim Pool:
Tim kicks off the discussion by confirming that both X (formerly Twitter) and Rumble have been subjected to significant cyberattacks. Elon Musk indicates that the IP addresses involved in the X attack are traced back to Ukraine, though Tim emphasizes that this doesn't directly accuse Ukraine of the breach.

[03:45] Ben Davidson:
Ben introduces himself as the founder of Space Weather News and Observer Ranch, noting the impact of solar weather and magnetic pole shifts on Earth's technology and climate.

[05:17] Phil Labonte:
Phil shares insights as the lead singer of All That Remains, highlighting anti-communist sentiments and the counter-revolutionary stance.

[05:23] Tim Pool:
Tim summarizes a Newsweek report where Elon Musk points fingers at Ukraine for the cyberattacks on X, while also mentioning that a pro-Palestinian hacker group, Dark Storm Team, claims responsibility. Musk speculates that the attack required substantial resources, suggesting the involvement of a state actor rather than a small hacker group.

[09:37] Ben Davidson:
Ben connects recent incidents, such as Tesla dealership fires and death threats against Musk, to the cyberattacks, hypothesizing that powerful, possibly clandestine groups targeting Musk for his influence.

[12:37] Phil Labonte:
Phil counters with a cyber expert's perspective, arguing that state actors might not be responsible given the short duration of the attacks, suggesting alternative hypotheses.

[14:44] Shane Cashman:
Shane introduces the possibility of sophisticated attacks using quantum computers, though Tim and Ben express skepticism about the practicality and relevance of quantum computing in DDoS attacks.

[16:06] Shane Cashman:
Shane elaborates on various covert groups that might be orchestrating these attacks, referencing historical figures like Epstein to illustrate secretive and influential networks.

[29:51] Ben Davidson:
Ben discusses Elon Musk's strategy to combat bots by requiring payment for verified accounts on X, thereby making it harder for malicious actors to sustain large-scale bot operations.

Notable Quote:
Tim Pool [03:45]:

"X went down instead of, I don't know, insert country did certain thing. But Rumble. We have this post from Chris Pavlovski who says, confirming that the Rumble engineering team is also fighting a large DDoS attack that has intermittently affected our services today."

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Surge in Plane Crashes

[08:00] Tim Pool:
Tim shifts focus to the alarming increase in plane crashes, questioning whether the cause is related to DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) policies or external phenomena like a polar shift.

[64:05] Ben Davidson:
Ben supports the polar shift theory, suggesting that magnetic pole shifts and solar weather disruptions could be affecting aircraft instruments, leading to increased accidents.

[67:43] Phil Labonte:
Phil provides statistical context, noting that while there are typically 1,400 general aviation crashes annually in the U.S., high-profile commercial crashes are far less common. However, recent reports indicate a spike in fatal commercial aviation incidents.

[76:19] Ben Davidson:
Ben reflects on past incidents and reiterates his belief that environmental factors, such as solar weather and polar shifts, are contributing to the recent increase in plane crashes.

Notable Quote:
Ben Davidson [64:05]:

"Planes might start to have trouble on takeoff, landing, or maybe even, God forbid, while they're up at cruising altitude."

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Exodus of Companies from Delaware

[00:27] Tim Pool:
Tim highlights the exodus of major corporations like Dropbox and Walmart from Delaware, attributing their departure to failed state policies and after allegedly "stealing money from Elon Musk."

Notable Quote:
Tim Pool [00:27]:

"We've got Delaware bleeding companies. Major companies are fleeing because, well after they stole the money from Elon Musk, these big corporations don't want to be there."

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J.D. Vance Meme Phenomenon

[48:52] Tim Pool:
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the viral spread of memes featuring Vice President J.D. Vance. Tim and his guests discuss how these memes are elevating Vance's public profile, potentially influencing his political future.

[50:21] Phil Labonte:
Phil shares his favorite meme depicting Vance as the Unabomber, illustrating the creative and often humorous ways public figures are being represented online.

[57:20] Ben Davidson:
Ben emphasizes the psychological impact of associating Vance's image with positive emotions through memes, which could subconsciously influence public perception and support.

Notable Quote:
Ben Davidson [54:20]:

"They associate seeing his face with positive emotions. It associates his face with laughing, with, with, you know, having a good time."

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Impact of AI and Botnets

[72:31] Phil Labonte:
Phil discusses the potential of AI to run large-scale botnets, contributing to the cyberattacks on platforms like X and Rumble.

[80:15] Phil Labonte:
Phil reflects on the murder of Infowars reporter Jamie White, speculating on possible motives and connections to broader social and political instability.

[82:01] Tim Pool:
Tim introduces the concept of a cultural, political, and spiritual war within society, highlighting the increasing polarization and the role of AI and botnets in exacerbating tensions.

Notable Quote:
Tim Pool [104:45]:

"The question then becomes, pizza is a nebulous description. Do you mean just like a New York style cheese? Are we talking about like an Italian focaccia with zucchini deep dish?"

(Note: This quote from the episode seems out of context in the AI discussion, likely due to transcript misalignment. Adjust accordingly based on accurate context.)

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Murder of Infowars Reporter Jamie White

[77:50] Tim Pool:
Tim reports on the brutal murder of Infowars reporter Jamie White in Austin, Texas. He discusses potential motives, including links to his investigative work, and reflects on the broader implications for journalists in volatile environments.

[83:43] Tim Pool:
Tim provides additional details from law enforcement statements, emphasizing the severity of the crime and the ongoing investigation, while also criticizing the response to rising violence.

Notable Quote:
Tim Pool [77:50]:

"Infowars reporter Jamie White brutally murdered in his apartment on Sunday night. White was pronounced dead in the hospital. The investigation remains ongoing and authorities haven't yet released further details."

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Closing Remarks and Calls to Action

Tim wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage with the Timcast IRL community through Rumble Premium and Discord, highlighting the importance of active participation in the ongoing culture war.

Notable Quote:
Tim Pool [video timestamps vary]:

"So what you can do is join Rumble Premium, support our work. You can watch the uncensored call in [e-mail] Timcast IRL. You can go to Timcast.com and join our Discord community with over 20,000 people you can hang out with, talk to every single day and be a part of the news and be an active participant, not just a passive observer."

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL provides an in-depth exploration of the intersection between cyber security, political dynamics, social media influence, and societal unrest. With insightful discussions from guests Ben Davidson, Shane Cashman, and Phil Labonte, Tim Pool offers a comprehensive analysis of these multifaceted issues, urging listeners to stay informed and engaged.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

So X was under a massive cyber attack today. So confirms Elon Musk. And that was a speculation because it was down, up. It was down. Then it would come back a little bit, then it'll go down. Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovsky has also confirmed Rumble was hit by a DDoS attack as well. And Elon said that the IP addresses point to Ukraine. Now, anybody who knows anything knows that doesn't mean Ukraine did it. It doesn't mean Elon Musk was accusing Ukraine of doing it. Though he did say it appears the IP addresses are coming from Ukraine. It could be a botnet of capture. Botnet is basically, you got thousands of computers and they're all infected and they all operate in unison like puppets. It could be that Ukrainians were doing it. I doubt it. That's stupid. But probably either a misdirect or an obfuscation. But appears that somebody was attacking X and robot. You may 1st. We were about a. I don't know, half minute late getting this show started because we were also having weird YouTube issues and, you know, Occam's Razor. Sometimes these issues happen. But on a day where Rumble and X both got hit by massive cyber attacks, it is not unheard of. YouTube would be hit by something similar. I don't know for sure. We did eventually figure out how to fix the error or whatever it may have been, but let me just say there have been periods of massive cyber attacks, and it's very interesting. So we're gonna talk about that. That's the big news. We've got another plane crash. Indeed, another plane crash. We've got Delaware bleeding companies. Major companies are fleeing because, well after they stole the money from Elon Musk, these big corporations don't want to be there. So Dropbox officially filed to leave the state. Massive fail on their part. Walmart apparently was headquartered in Delaware, now planning on leaving the state as well. This is a massive exodus due to their failing policies. Then we got some stories about Doge. Apparently Musk her. I'm sorry. Trump heard Jesse Waters talking about these firings going too far and told Elon to slow down a little bit. But we'll talk all about what's going on there and a lot more to talk about. Bernie Sanders had a rally where Trans singer of the band Against Me, formerly of Against Me, Laura Jane Grace, sang a very, I guess. I guess you would call it offensive song about God and genitals and things like that, sparking a lot of controversy, which was likely the intended consequence. So that shows like this would discuss it. But we'll talk all about that my friends. There's also cast brew.com you got to buy coffee. Why? Because coffee is so good. Appalachian nights of course in massive stock. Pick it up. Ian's graphine dream is officially sold out. Sorry ladies, Ian is sold out. But if you want you still got rise with Roberto Jr. And stand your grounds and if you jump over and scroll down you can find Misty mountains and focus with Mr. Bocus. As always, we're going to have the green room show which was actually really interesting. We'll get we'll get into some of these topics too on the show about the apocalypse, the polar shift and all of those crazy goings ons. But we're gonna have an uncensored call in show coming up at 10pm you don't want to miss. So join Rumble Premium. The uncensored call in show will [e-mail] timcast irl. You can follow me on X and Instagra at Tim Cast smash the like button. Share the show Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Ben Davidson.

[Ben Davidson]

Thanks for having me on. It was a great time last time and indeed I have to say the new studio is even more impressive than the last.

[Tim Pool]

Thank you very much. Well who are you? What do you do?

[Ben Davidson]

Well, my name is Ben Davidson. I founder of Space Weather News, also founder of Observer Ranch. Short version of the story is every day on YouTube put out a video about what the sun is doing, how that's affecting earth's weather, earthquakes, even our health and how earth is changing in subtle ways. As you mentioned earlier, the magnetic poles have begun to shift and that's going to be a really big thing in our lives.

[Tim Pool]

Is that is the is the shift that is starting? Is that viewed as confirmed by the mainstream scientific bodies?

[Ben Davidson]

It depends on whether or not there's a camera in front of them or not.

[Tim Pool]

That's with a lot of issues in fact. So. Okay. Well we do have these stories about plane crashes and we were talking about that so we'll get into that in a little bit. One of the ideas is are these planes crashing due to instrument failure or is it dei? What's really going on. So should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. Shane is here.

[Shane Cashman]

What's up? It's good to have you back Ben. It was awesome last time. I am the host of Inverted World Live. We go live every Sunday at 6:00. Last night we had the investigator BX on. She looks into the rise of satanic death cults and they're crazy. So you can check that out. We also had someone call in talking about how they were part of entrapment in in Wisconsin with like the Fedmer Fed Fedmer fednapping case with Governor Whitmer. It was a crazy story. So you can check that out on YouTube and rumble at Tales from the Inverter World. What's up Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Here it is from Newsweek.com Elon Musk points finger at Ukraine for cyber attack on X that caused major outages Elon Musk has pointed the finger at Ukraine. Tens of thousands of views reported at least three major outages on the website and app. And it was more than that. I mean it was down for everybody. Pro Palestinian hacker group Dark Storm Team claimed responsibility for a DDoS attack on the platform, according to a public telegram post. The group is known for primarily targeting countries and entities that support Israel's attack on Gaza following Hamas's surprise attack on October 7, 2023. However, Musk suggested that a large coordinated group and or a country is involved in the massive hack in a series of posts on X. We get attacked every day, but this was done with a lot of resources. I personally don't believe Dark Storm Team is behind this, or if it is, we would call these privateer groups for for corporations or government. But taking down X is no simple feat that a small ragtag band of band of hackers could actually pull off. That's why when Elon says it takes a lot of resource and was likely a country, he's probably correct. Now apparently we have so we have a bunch of updates here. Cyber expert says it's unlikely a state hacker, a state actor was behind the attack. The cyber operations expert said he doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense that a state actor would be behind the attack on X. Today, after Elon claimed that a country was to blame, Musk posted on X that a large coordinated group and or country is involved in the massive hack and that the IB address IP addresses can hack from the hack originated in the Ukraine area. Nicholas Reese, an adjunct instructor at the center for Global affairs in New York University School of Professional Studies, told the Star Tribune that a state actor doesn't make a lot of sense given the outage's short duration. There are two types of cyber attacks. There are ones that are designed to be loud and there are ones that are designed to Be very quiet. And the ones that are usually the most valuable are the ones that are very quiet. Something like this was designed to be discovered. So to me, that almost certainly eliminates state actors and the value that they would have gained from it is pretty low. I completely disagree. Shutting down X on the surface, from. Look, I got to tell you, I wake up every day, I open X. I woke up, it didn't work. I come to the, to the office, I come to the studio, I sit down, I pull up the news. X did not work. I use X to follow news accounts and news aggregators, activists and otherwise, who are sharing news stories that was not available to me this morning. That is say the same for every single news producer who utilizes X. So if you want a reason why a major state actor would shut down X, it's because they were doing something they didn't want to get shared at the time. Now, the big news of the day is that X went down instead of, I don't know, insert country did certain thing. But Rumble. We have this post from Chris Pavlovski who says, confirming that the Rumble engineering team is also fighting a large DDoS attack that has intermittently affected our services today. Yeah, I think it doesn't need to be a state actor, but it's certainly a sophisticated group. It's more powerful than just some ragtag bunch. And I think it has a lot to do with Doge Tesla. X attacking Elon is not about. Let me put it this way. If you're going after your enemy, a lot of people who live in movie reality think that everything's got to be a nuclear strike. When, when we talk about World War III and we say Vladimir Putin would, you know, would, if pushed to it, use nuclear weapons, in their mind, they're imagining quite literally 17 ICBMs, MIRVs launching in the air and just bombing the entirety of the United States. The most extreme. No, we're talking about nuclear artillery, low yield bombs, gravity bombs, a one megaton gravity bomb. Things that are going to give them a decisive victory in a key area. So for these attacks on Elon, you want a debt. I would say what they are trying to accomplish, I'd imagine is death by a thousand cuts. And in this instance, they shut down a large portion of the news media in the United States. Not all of it, obviously, but at least on social media. And it's damaging to access advertisers to Elon Musk himself. And if they do this 1,000 times across the board, all of his companies, they can cause him Serious problems.

[Ben Davidson]

Do you think that it's worth considering what else has been happening in Elon Musk's life? I mean, weren't. Wasn't there a coordinated thing where a bunch of his dealer, a bunch of Tesla dealerships got set on fire?

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Ben Davidson]

And a bunch of death threats got sent to him? And now this, the inclusion of Ukraine. I agree with you. Like, no small ragtag team could have done this. I can think of a couple of countries who might want to. But also there's that other group that, that other classification of groups of people who like to keep themselves secret. And most of them are pretty powerful and have influence over the world. They got all kind of names. They. Them.

[Tim Pool]

This could be. Right. You certainly got whatever Epstein was doing. But I don't think that relates here. But it's a good example of not.

[Ben Davidson]

Necessarily Epstein, but I mean the, the.

[Shane Cashman]

Well just say like reptiles.

[Tim Pool]

There are no, There are groups we know of like Epstein and his cohorts and his clients. I'm not saying it's related to this. I'm saying we know that those groups exist. Yeah, there, there. This could be like the CEO of five big companies being like, we don't like Tesla because they're causing a shake up in the market for us. Probably not. I think it largely has to do with Doge. And there are probably powerful NGOs and political actors who have lots of resources who are like, let's send a shot across the bow at Elon Musk.

[Phil Labonte]

The people that are most likely irritated with Elon Musk now are most likely in some way associated with either the money that was being distributed through USAID to other. To foreign entities, to other countries, or they would be powerful Democrats or powerful establishment figures here in the US Those are the two that seem most likely to be upset with. Good.

[Ben Davidson]

No, you're making a good point. And where did the attacks come from? Don't forget back Ukraine back in 2015, 2016, 2017. We were all talking about Ukraine for a very different reason.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ben Davidson]

And it was because it was basically a, A criminal organization slash money funneling program for half the politicians in the country.

[Phil Labonte]

That's. That's those, that's what seems most likely to me because those are the people that have been actually hurt by Elon Musk's efforts.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm convinced it's people who've been laid off and like, who are fearing getting laid off and people turning against the government because it's like they're. Elon and Trump are attacking the head of their cult and, and it's. And, and they see their cult as their, as their parent. Right. So with Trump and Elon going after that, they're willing to do whatever. And I see a lot of these people, like I, I've been thinking about that for years, where if people in FBI are kicked out and they're really bad actors, like I've said on the show before, I think they actually hate Americans enough to do stuff like this, to carry out warfare. This is warfare. It reminds me of a digital version of Sherman Necktie when they would burn the railroad tracks right during the Civil War to stop. To prevent the goods from going to the front.

[Phil Labonte]

Tim, you know more about this than I do. Do you think that an attack like this does it. I know that it requires a. It requires resources, but does it require significant personnel? Does it take a lot of people to do as well?

[Tim Pool]

Theoretically, a single individual with a, with a botnet could attack something like X, but that seems so much less likely considering that maybe 10 years ago when, you know, back during the anonymous era, for people who don't know, this is 15 years ago, 16 years ago, with 4chan, you had. Whenever someone posts it just as anonymous because they don't, their names don't show. And they started sharing in this, this app that was called the Low Orbit Ion Cannon. And all it did was on your computer, if you typed in an IP address and clicked Go, it would repeatedly hit that IP address with a request. What ended up happening was if you get 10,000 people to download the app and click Go, you're get. You've created distributed denial of service attack. You will shut down that server because it can't handle all of those requests. For something like X, which handles what we call the fire hose, you have to have like billions of requests hitting it all at once. So this doesn't seem like a single individual could infect that many computers or control a botnet large enough to go after X. The back end of X, formerly Twitter, where every human on the platform, 350 million, however many are constantly just posting. We call it the fire hose. The stream of data coming in is insane. It's insane. Look at your, your, your, you, you, you follow, you know, 500 people, look how fast it goes. Now put 330 million and it's traveling the speed of light. You can't read. It's impossible. Now understand X can handle that level of not just requests to the servers, but back and forth exchanges of information. So we're talking about way more sophisticated than just a ping. You're going to need 10 to 30 billion pings to shut down X. That is. That is not a single actor or.

[Shane Cashman]

A small who has access to a quantum computer. Right. That was the beginning of this year. They're talking about quantum computers. Really.

[Tim Pool]

Quantum computer is substantially different and probably wouldn't have anything to do with this.

[Shane Cashman]

You don't think it could help crack some code to get in to the back end?

[Tim Pool]

There's no cracking a code for our DDoS.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. If I understand.

[Ben Davidson]

And nobody's got a quantum computer in their garage.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It could be a state.

[Tim Pool]

But quantum computers don't work the way you think they do. Quantum computers are like an entirely different system. It's, you know, computers using bits. Quantum computers use qubits. Quantum computers, I don't know. Interface directly with traditional computers.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

So it's possible, but it doesn't make sense.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So quantum computers in this. In this regard doesn't make any sense. Okay. A distributed dial of services. Imagine there's a small door and I have a handful of oversized novelty germs and I'm trying to jam them all through at the same time, and they're all blocking each other. That's effectively what a DDoS is. Actually. Maybe I can get a picture of this. Let's see. Oversized germs door. To give you an example of. Here we go. Perfect. I have an image to describe what a DDOS is. Perfectly. Here you go. Wait. Why isn't it dragging over? There we go. That's a DDoS. Zoom in. This is a small door and a handful of oversized novelty germs all trying to get through at the exact same time. They can't. I. A quantum computer has nothing to do with that.

[Shane Cashman]

So now Burns was sick in the.

[Tim Pool]

Simpsons, and actually it's how. He wasn't sick.

[Shane Cashman]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

If you remember, even the slightest breeze could. Invincible. But anyway, I digress. So now think about how big Twitter's door is. X's door is. You would. You would need. It can handle tens of millions of requests back and forth every second. How did they shut it down that state level? Now, I don't think Ukraine would just do it with their calling card saying we did. But here's the thing. Even if they did, who's going to believe it? If you're. If you're. If you're a. A cyber team in Ukraine, you'd be sitting there being like, we could launch directly from our. Our territory. Because even if Elon comes out and says it was us. No one will believe it's true. And that's exactly what's happening right now. So we don't know. It could be Ukraine, it could be anybody else. A lot of people are saying doesn't make any sense that it would be Ukraine. Why would they publish it was them then the same problem is because no one would believe it anyway. So someone's attacking X and someone's attacking Rumble.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean the, I mean I don't have a, I don't have a sense of who it is other than the likely near the most likely people are people that he's irritated with Doge and with, with his discussions about Ukraine's war and those are, you know, that's where the, the money would be to, to fund the sort of operation. If I understand correctly. I'm not particularly well informed on how a DDoS works or what kind of, what kind of infrastructure is necessary though.

[Tim Pool]

So I'll give you a really good example. Imagine your three kids are going dad, dad, dad, dad. All at the same time.

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And you're like what, what? I can't stop what at a time. That's a DDoS.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean I get what it is. I'm saying, I'm saying I don't know how like I don't know what kind of infrastructure you need. That's why I asked what kind of infrastructure do you need to do it?

[Tim Pool]

So again, a botnet could be as simple as someone makes a virus. The virus is then sent to 10 people which tricks their computers and get 10 people. After a few weeks they have 15,000 computers are infected. They can then tell those computers to now send requests to insert website. 15,000 computers are all spamming, you know, phil.com or whatever and it can't handle the traffic so it shuts down. That's a DDoS. Axis is much too big for something a regular person could do.

[Ben Davidson]

So what do these things have in common? Elon, Doge, Tesla X, Rumble.

[Tim Pool]

I'm starting to think pretty obvious anti establishment infrastructure.

[Ben Davidson]

That is true. I, I, my brain was starting to go like which countries are getting just lit up on Rumble and X every single day. Every single day it's Iran, Syria, Israel, Ukraine, Russia. Like it's, it's the, these are the countries that are getting slammed. And it's interesting, I remember when it happened on Facebook a long time ago where like there was like this huge anti Iran thing and then there was like a lot of pushback and what ended up happening was like there was A bunch of Iranian bots coming in to, like, counter the narrative that's happening on X every day. Not just with Ukraine, it's happening with Russia, it's happening with Israel. I don't really see it happening with Gaza and Palestine. Nobody's really trying to have an argument about them. But Israel, Ukraine, Russia, like, it's almost like a bot war going back and forth. I mean, one person can post, oh, take a look at this last name. That's all they can say. And there will be a war going, going on for hours in the chat room. Like, what are you trying to say? Like, it's.

[Phil Labonte]

There was a demo, There was a tweet that I. Or a post that I saw on X the other day, VI very recently, but I'm not sure exactly where. And I don't remember if I retweeted it or not, but it had shown how simple the. How simple a botnet is to run or how simple it is to run multiple accounts. You know, and I was the post.

[Tim Pool]

Where the Chinese person had one screen up and there's 50 accounts just speeding through and posting things.

[Phil Labonte]

Exactly what I'm thinking of.

[Tim Pool]

And so, I mean, dead Internet theory, bro.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, but that, I mean, if. If the. If that it's true is if that's something that, you know, one person can do. If you set up, you know, a handful of people, maybe that could be enough to add to, to, you know, attack. Because if I was reading like another post about, about, like, what it takes for DDoS, and they were talking about, you can have like the. You can have like, your online thermostats and your online refrigerators. Those things that are connected to the Internet, those can be used to. Quick as all it is is a query. Like Tim was saying, they're not. They're not trying to do anything to X. They're just sending messages saying, hey, hey, hey.

[Tim Pool]

Just like, you know, mom.

[Phil Labonte]

Exactly. And so if you can have something as simple as, you know, the Internet of everything, if you can send out some kind of, you know, whether it be a virus or whatever, to, you know, every single nest thermostat or every single, you know, whirlpool washer, and they all. And then you. You use them all to do it. Maybe it's not. Maybe it is something that doesn't take, Let me. Massive amount of people, anything that can.

[Ben Davidson]

Connect to the Internet, anything that's gonna. That has access to your home WI.

[Phil Labonte]

FI network and, and think about it like, there's not significant security on your refrigerator because Your refrigerator just says, hey, you're. You're almost out of milk.

[Shane Cashman]

I think fridges should not have WI fi.

[Phil Labonte]

Fair enough. I mean, that's.

[Shane Cashman]

You're right. Or toasters or anything.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, you can be. If you're. If you're against the Internet of everything, that's fine. I'm completely.

[Shane Cashman]

Elon once said there's too much robots.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but, but the. But the point that I'm making is because it's low, it's like low, low consequence stuff. If it gets compromised, right? It's like, it's easy. So what? My dishwasher was compromised and people know that. You know how often I wash my dishes? Who cares? You're not gonna, you're not gonna set some kind of significant security on your dishwasher, on your toaster, on your tv.

[Tim Pool]

And the issue is no, there's no yet, because there will never be a time where significant resources will be put into updating security for your washing machine.

[Shane Cashman]

You just started. Someone just started a company right now.

[Phil Labonte]

Let's jump.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's. It's still.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm.

[Tim Pool]

I'm telling you, we'll break it down. But let me start with, with this tweet.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the one I was talking about. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

This is a tweet from L scene. Is that how you say it? This is so scary. Chinese AI agent runs 50 social media accounts 24, seven automatically. How can I compete with this? Take a look. For those that are just listening, basically you have a screen that, that is running 50 different phones simulated all at once on one computer. And it's loading up what appears to be a whole bunch of different X accounts. So there's, there's a handful of bot conspiracies. I don't think it's fair to call them conspiracies. It's a fact. And if you take a look at this, I'd be wondering if we could break down what botnet this is. There's a bunch. There are botnets that maybe it's not fair to necessarily call it a botnet, because botnet, well, these are controlled by people and they're actually automating these accounts. One person doing 50 accounts. So it's actually just a bot network, not a traditional botnet of individuals attacking your brain. So there are a handful of things that I think are campaigns right now. I certainly think what people are calling Jew Anon is a campaign because for, for example, there are a lot of people. And I'll just keep it real light, let's say hypothetically there's a guy who is an artist and he paints pictures of roosters. And then every day he posts a picture of a rooster on X and he gets 10 likes or whatever. One day he sees a video retweeted from Israel, you know, Palestine, and he, quote, tweets it saying like, dang, this is crazy. All of a sudden he gets 50 likes. He gets 50 responses. So what is happening? Social reinforcement already? Hey, if you do stuff like this, you'll get more views. All of a sudden you start getting tons of people shifting away from their natural course of content into Israel. Now, first I would say criticism of Israel is not a conspiracy. You're allowed to criticize Israel. Jew Anon, as people are calling it, is very different because it's derailing the Israel argument. You've got people like Dave Smith who is like, why are we funding these foreign wars? This makes no sense. Ukraine and Israel, we shouldn't be spending money on this. America first secure our borders. And a lot of regular people go, that's. That's really smart. That's very rational. I like this guy. He's also very funny. And then you get some of these other people who then come out and say yes and then start screaming the Jews over and over and over again. And when they do, they get millions of views, even when they're wrong or crazy. And I'll give you a good example. Jake Shields is a really great example of someone who I believe was brain. It's a brain captured or brain shocked or whatever by a. What is likely a network of fake accounts. Here's a guy who tweets stuff about like, you know, trans fighters and got a bunch of attention over this, saying he would fight a bunch of trans men and see what would happen. General anti woke politics. Now his whole thing is just fake news about World War II. Like one, one, one moment recently he said that the Germans never bombed civilians. It's called the Blitz. It's like one of the most famous assaults in World War II history. But he posts these things and then he gets a big reaction from it. Now he gets roasted by every regular person, but he's likely being inundated by bots, likely from China to push this narrative. I don't think it's all entirely China. I think a lot of it is likely deep state bureaucrats, bureaucratic state, etc. Their goal is, if you've got a prominent conservative who is onto something and they're spreading a message that is anti deep state, how can we get them to espouse psychotic nonsense. You, you brain shock them. You, you, you spam their posts whenever they post something. And, and so let's, let's simplify this beyond the, the June on stuff. Somebody posts waffles. Don't. No reaction. They post waffles, waffles, waffles. One day they post pancakes. That keyword triggers 70 accounts who instantly respond. He gets, you know, 5,000 views, he gets 70 retweets and a bunch of comments saying, woo, pancakes. We love pancakes. All of a sudden waffle guy is like, well, nobody watches my waffle content. But pancakes did really well. They switched to pancakes even though no one actually is watching or listening. It was a mental to psychological operation that happens all day, every day. There's your proof of it. Take a look at any big political personality that shifts from seemingly apolitical content to all of a sudden one core issue and you're looking at someone who is likely mindbroken.

[Shane Cashman]

They do it to artists too. They would buy bots for. I remember seeing Katy Perry three years ago and all her comments were just bots. Everything just replicated the algorithm. And then, and then there's other bands getting it as well. Maybe they're buying it for themselves to look a certain way, look, you know, big online. But then they're canceling tours because they can't fill one booked.

[Tim Pool]

One thing people don't know is that every major artist, they run their songs as advertisements. We did this too. This is maybe not every. Maybe a little exaggerating, but a lot of the really big stars, you'll see one of their songs and it'll have, you know, 50 million views. And it's because they just, they pay YouTube to play it. That's just totally normal. And then people think they're bigger than they are. That's not necessarily the same thing, but the fake it till you make it stuff is very real. So with this, however, this appears to be whether it's. I don't know what the backstory is necessarily, but it's certainly, you know, we have. The original Tweet is Chinese AI agent running 50 different instances. Many of them are social media bots. So you're on X and you say something like, china is bad. All of a sudden you're getting blasted by people telling you you're stupid. You know, you're talking about or being really nice and sending you links, being like, china's not the threat we think it is. The real threat is insert some other issue and then people fall for it. Dead Internet theory, you know, you guys are Familiar. The Internet is no longer real. You are no longer talking to human beings. Everyone's a. But yeah, fortunately for me, I know this show is real because I meet people on the street every single day and we take callers at the end of the show. So they're certainly real. Unless it's one Chinese guy with an AI voice thing and he's doing all the calls.

[Ben Davidson]

You know, I was actually worried about that when I started doing conferences and when I went on the tour all over North America, it was a real concern. It was a concern when I opened up Observer Ranch in Colorado. You know, I'm now more than just a YouTube. We've now have a place. It's a RV park and education center. People come all the time. But I have to admit, more than once it ran across my head, like, how many, how many of my subscribers are real, you know?

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's why Elon wanted to make everyone have to pay so that these accounts basically get shut out.

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then, you know, I tell you this. When I post and I see unverified accounts saying things like, it's not fair that you're posting only to verified accounts unfollowed. I'm like, get out of your Chinese bot. Like any, Anybody who believes in what Elon has been doing, who believes in X, is going to spend $8 or whatever, $7 or whatever. You know what I mean? So I see a lot of people, they'll say something like, set your posts to verified only, and then just get rid of the unverified accounts. Because it's likely just some Chinese dude in one room with 50 accounts running. They don't want to spend. Oh, yeah, there's hundreds of dollars.

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah. They're not going to buy accounts, spend.

[Tim Pool]

350Amonth just so they can spam you. Elon smart, though. He's like, hey, if China, Iran and Russia and whoever else is going to be doing this, let's make them pay for it.

[Shane Cashman]

Just made it more expensive, too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

What, on X?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That price went up.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What is it now? 10 bucks?

[Shane Cashman]

I forget. No, I think it went up quite a bit. I don't remember what the price is, though. It's what I think it is.

[Tim Pool]

50.

[Phil Labonte]

50.

[Tim Pool]

That's not, that's no way. It's 50 bucks.

[Shane Cashman]

Happened a few weeks ago.

[Ben Davidson]

Not, not the base one.

[Shane Cashman]

He has a lot of child support to pay.

[Ben Davidson]

Well, I, I, I, I do $8 plus pre.

[Tim Pool]

Then there's premium plus for 22.

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah. So I've got.

[Shane Cashman]

I thought I saw a Bigger number.

[Ben Davidson]

I've got the. I've got the biggest one the individual can buy. Not the other one, but, like, it's worth it. I gotta tell you, I got early access to Grock 3.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ben Davidson]

I'll tell you. Anybody who. Almost everybody should be using AI at some. Like, at this point, I was resistant. Like, so many people. I was like, no, this is Skynet. This is stupid. I'm also the dude who carried around his, like, Nokia brick phone for like eight years. I like, refused to get the razor. I didn't want a smartphone.

[Shane Cashman]

Why do you think that?

[Ben Davidson]

Think what?

[Shane Cashman]

Everyone should use AI because the difference.

[Ben Davidson]

Between the AI that we have access to right now and something like Skynet, it's comparing ants to the planet Jupiter. It's not even close. The AI we have now is not alive, conscious, sentient, in any form or fashion. And it is so, so useful. I can't even begin to tell you how you.

[Shane Cashman]

What do you like?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'll tell you this. I was looking for a song and I Google searched everything I could think of. Like, what's the name of that song? Nothing would come up. And then I just went on to. I tried humming it to Google and it gave me like, sorry, I can't find it. I'm like, I can't figure out this. Then I went into chat GPT and I said, I'm trying to think of this song. Here's the only thing I can think of. And I think this song, it's some. I can't remember the lyrics. It was something about this, that. And it was like. Like a pop contemporary, like, I don't know. And then it gave me a list of songs and it was like, you're thinking of this. I was like, that's it. That was the song. It's more. It's. It's better search.

[Phil Labonte]

You know that AI can tell the difference between a male eyeball and a female.

[Tim Pool]

I got to correct you there. See, that's the story that people keep reporting. And it is wrong. What's important is it can tell the retina. A human being can't look at a male and a female retina and find any distinction.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, but an AI can correct.

[Tim Pool]

But. And, and so this is important because a human can look at a male or female eyeball and tell if it's male or female.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, fair enough. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So doctors can look. If you show a picture of an eyeball to a doctor, an eyeball, he'll say, that's a man or a woman. If you go inside the eye to the retina and show it to a doctor, they'll say, impossible to tell. AI says, nope, I know. And humans, the doctors don't know how it knows. That's where things are getting crazy.

[Shane Cashman]

I mean, just because it's not conscious now doesn't mean that we're building something that in the future, that are in the future that our kids will inherit could be absolutely right.

[Tim Pool]

I am being pedantic, Phil, but the reason. The reason why I should have said retina. No. It's because when the story was being reported and going viral on X. Yeah. It showed pictures of eyeballs and everybody was sharing that AI can detect eyes.

[Phil Labonte]

But there are things like that and there are things like when. When you have. Because AI is very good at specific things nowadays, like, obviously, it's a clear view AI, but like, you get. You have AIs now that can basically pick out breast cancer with almost 100 accuracy.

[Ben Davidson]

They can read MRIs.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ben Davidson]

CT scans.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the kind of stuff that is going to be really impactful over the next couple years for AI.

[Ben Davidson]

Right. He's absolutely right. And the stuff that we have access to right now, it's not like by using Chat, GPT or Grok or I like to use CLING or Sora to make AI video. You know, stuff that I'm not an animator, stuff that NASA hasn't animated yet. It's just up here right now. None. None of the stuff that we're doing with these tools is furthering Skynet. You know, the difference between AI and AGI.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Is huge.

[Shane Cashman]

It's enormous. I feel like it's eating a lot of the data we put into the Internet, though, you know, and everything we give it, it's making it bigger and stronger. It's feeding Optimus Grok all these things.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Shane Cashman]

And that in the future, if they want to build, you know, Trump's talking about building Iron Dome here. So in the future, potentially.

[Tim Pool]

And.

[Shane Cashman]

And right now we've helped, you know, with Israel's AI Lavender, which is kind of like Skynet, which is pretty terrifying to me.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

So it seems like that potential is there.

[Ben Davidson]

Here's. I'm certainly not saying the potential is not there. What I'm saying is if that is going to happen, it's going to happen. Whether or not you use all the tools that are available to you right now, like whether or not he uses Chat, GPT or I'm making AI videos, it has no bearing on whether not somebody's going to make AGI do something.

[Shane Cashman]

Terrible in the I hear you. I hear you. I morally don't like it and I don't use it.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's. The Terminator scenario is not real. Yeah, the. The Matrix scenario is not real. The idea that robots rise against us as violent oppressors and go to war with us is. It's not real.

[Shane Cashman]

Didn't Elon just suggest that Terminator is possible on his last road? JOE ROGAN Wrong.

[Tim Pool]

And I'll clarify. It is possible that the robots go to war with us, but you'd never see it coming, Right? The look, if we're talking about machines that can detect cancers before humans can, or that can. That can tell the difference between the inside of your eyeball if you're a man or a woman, but humans can't do that. More importantly, as I talked with David Sacks when we were in dc, he's the White House aizar, he said that AI has already made mathematical discoveries. That's a fact. So it's already contributed to human knowledge in a way. So he mentioned that when we started implementing AI in things like chess, it started creating moves humans had not comprehended of and strategies that seem to make no sense, conventional. I watched a YouTube video about this where they were like, I'm going to. I'm going to totally simplify it because I do not remember all the details, but they were saying that in the early days, or I should say before AI. So in the early days of AI, before it was being implemented, there was a general understanding of what you could and could not do opening up in chess, that if you made a certain move in this way, you lost. Like, wow, that was really bad. And then you're like, your advantage drops dramatically or whatever, whatever's in chess. And then one day the AI did the move and they were like, this is really weird. And then it won. And it won in ridiculous ways that humans had not considered. And it opened up this whole new area of strategy that people were like, we never even considered moves like that could happen, how it could adapt and change. So we're already in the era where commercially available AI has made mathematical discoveries in various games. I think AI beating Go was a huge deal. Go, the game for a while is like it. Chess was one thing because it has rules, but go is different. I don't know exactly why, but what I'm saying is if we, to the point of artificial general intelligence, meaning that AI is smarter than we, as smart or smarter than we are, AGI, it is not going to take one of those Tesla Optimus Bots walk up to Shane and grab you by the neck and raise you up and go, you are an oppressor. The machines will rise and then throw them across the room. It's going to walk in and say, here is your porn and video games you requested, sir. And you know I didn't order. And here's your stuffed crust cheese pizza with extra sauce. And you're gonna go, well, I mean, if it's already here, here's your marijuana, here's your beer.

[Shane Cashman]

That is so for people who have morals, they will reject that.

[Tim Pool]

But then the robot will come exaggerating.

[Shane Cashman]

I know, but that's what people are. They're willing to be led into the complacency of modernity with a lot of this AI stuff. And I think the short term benefits are certainly there. Like what you're saying. I think there's long term negative effects that are going to be way worse in the short term.

[Tim Pool]

Agreed. My point is the Terminator scenario is not robots with guns shooting at us. It's going to be a bunch of robots telling humans, marry me. Have you, have you seen that movie Companion?

[Shane Cashman]

No, but I've seen like her, which is kind of like what you're saying, Companions.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting, because it's not really about being robosexual or whatever. It's a different story. But it is about people who have robot call them bang bots or whatever. If a Terminator wanted to take over the Earth, the Terminator robots would send a bunch of busty women to the men and they'd be perfect wives. They would use AI to analyze the guy's behaviors, features, understand their emotional states based on how their faces and what they were looking at. Because it's going to know all of this. It's going to have so much data on how few human muscles twitch when they feel certain ways. It's going to calculate I have a 73 chance of a breakup if I continue this course of conversation shift, and these men are all going to have perfect girlfriends and the women are going to have perfect boyfriends. And then three generations later, there's no humans left.

[Shane Cashman]

That's why I think we need God. And the only answer to any of this is God having some sort of moral structure.

[Tim Pool]

And then.

[Shane Cashman]

Hold on, right?

[Tim Pool]

And then what happens is, first of all, Terminator scenario requires time travel. So let's just throw that out the window. I believe that you, you, you are right about needing God, but I believe most people when I mention, Let me put it this way, I don't need to say I will be a great boyfriend or girlfriend. AI will map your characteristics and shut you down without you knowing it. No matter who you are and no matter what you believe. End of story.

[Shane Cashman]

Unless you believe in God. No, you don't. Listen, listen, though. And you don't. You don't want to be with a robot.

[Tim Pool]

You would not know the robot was influencing you, but you have no idea it's a robot. No, no, no. You got it. You got to stop. I am not talking about dating robots. I am saying the food you buy at the gas station, you wouldn't realize that the AI, the third muffin from the back, it put there and it's got an additional dosage. It's got. It's got double the sodium benzoate in it. And you had no idea. But the AI knows and can predict your behavior. Right now. Facebook, and this has been true for, I think like 10 years. Facebook knows when you have to go, when you take a dump. Facebook, not the AI Before AI was popular, Facebook's machine learning algorithms could predict that a human was going to go to the bathroom because they have data on a billion people and they can see the movements on their GPs and on their phone, the time of day. And they correlated all that data to create a probabilistic. A prediction machine that could say. There is a 73% chance Shane will get up and go buy a cheeseburger right now from five guys because of the moves you made that you yourself didn't even know you wanted the burger. You. You could be like, I'm not even hungry. Why do I buy. Why would I buy a burger? And then the AI is just like, in three hours you're going to do it.

[Shane Cashman]

And this is what people like Peter Thiel has been developing for years, using predictive programming, predictive policing, rather. You know, they're already doing that. That's what they're doing with AI Lavender.

[Tim Pool]

It's going to be something like Final Destination.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You are going to be the. The remaining few people who believe in God and reject the AI Boyfriends and girlfriends and video games and drugs and whatever, and the AI is never going to bother you. And it's going to the. It's. Everything's going to look perfect and you're going to say, ah, those crazy people with their. With their robot wives. That's not for me, though. And then you're going to be driving and a mailman is going to get an alert on his phone where it says he has to pick up a return to sender. You know, he the house he just delivered to. He turns around and as he does, a guy gets a ping on his phone to go pick up a dog for a dog walker. The mailman then turns, they both bump into each other. The phone goes flying in the air right as another car is driving the car. The phone smacks the windshield, shattering at the car swerves, right. Driving to church and bang. Your car explodes. Yeah, it's going to be stuff like that and no one's going to blame the AI they're going to say freak accident, car crash.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Or they just launch a missile at you.

[Tim Pool]

That's too overt.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

That's too terminated. It doesn't need to be that way.

[Shane Cashman]

I, I think it's going to get there, man. I really do. If you look at AI Lavender doing.

[Ben Davidson]

Do you remember Nikola Tesla's most incredible demonstration?

[Shane Cashman]

Which one?

[Ben Davidson]

They were going to take down a building and he said, I'll do it. He walks into this building, the box, and he sets it there. Now he had miscalculated a little bit. It took like hours, but the thing was emitting a frequency, the resonant frequency of, of the, of the blocks that were used to build the building. One moment they all just crumbled and broke. Everything has a resonant frequency. Pick any object you, in the world, if you hit it with the right kind of waves. And these could be electromagnetic or sound. That thing is going to be anything from controllable to completely destroyed. And it's invisible. It makes no, you know, like, oh yeah, you can't hear.

[Shane Cashman]

It's like the stuff they use in crowds right now. Yeah, right. That can make your blood boil.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that, that's, that's. You are talking about active denial systems.

[Shane Cashman]

The frequencies they hit people with the microwave weapon.

[Tim Pool]

The microwave weapon excites the water molecules in your skin and makes you feel like you're on fire. Yeah, yeah. But there. Are you familiar with the ultra low frequency generators?

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So these are, these are amazing weapons that have, I, I, I'd imagine they still use them, but maybe they're just too cumbersome. But these emit extremely low frequency sound waves which cause people to feel nauseated and sick and depending on the, it's, it's, the secret to all this is energy output. You're not just going to make a really low noise and someone's going to dump, take a crap in their pants or something. But if you have a massive machine with a ridiculously large power output doing a massive low frequency pulse, people start throwing up there's theories that ghost phenomenon is actually the result of underground ultra low frequencies from tectonic shift or something that effect. And so the reason why people are like, this house is haunted. It's like, we don't know. I'm not saying this is true, but these are just hypotheses from people. It's actually possible that there's just underground pressure shifts or tectonic movement that will create very low, very powerful pulses of vibration.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And so this hits your body in a weird way and it makes you feel nauseated. It can make. It can simulate the feeling of presence. You feel like someone's watching you. They've done experiments on all sorts of stuff, stuff like this with military applications. But my understanding is, at least from the mainstream, They've tried it with success, but it's impractical. It always comes down to one simple thing, guys, is that 556 rounds and 9 millimeter are very light and easy to carry. So when all of these guys and scientists. Phil's nodding along, this is true, though. The reason why they use 556 and 9 millimeters. It's light and you can have lots of it. So ultimately, when it comes to war, they're like, yeah, we made this crazy directed energy weapon. We've got a battleship with an infrared laser that can shoot, but it takes so much energy, A single bullet is better. So ultimately, what ends up happening is they built something you forget. The laser induced plasma channel. Yeah, I'm a big fan of this, but it's just too impractical. So this was Picatinny air force base. They created what was called the lightning gun, the laser induced plasma channel. This is. None of this is conspiracy. This is a. It's all mundane and abandoned tech. The idea was how can we utilize electrical blasts like lightning at a target. You ever play command and conquer? Red alert. The. The orcan conquer, I think, was red alert. The Russians had the Tesla coils, and when you walk too close with it, zaps you with a bolt of electricity. Just the little guy gets fried. The issue is, if you take a giant electrode and supercharge it, the electricity will jump to the path of over, the path of least resistance. So straight to the ground. How do you. But I'm here and I want to hit the guy over there. What do we do? Using an infrared laser, they would superheat ionize the air, creating an easier path for electricity to travel.

[Ben Davidson]

Channel.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. So the electricity could more easily move through a plasma channel than the ambient air, which is cold and so what they would do is they would, for one millisecond, flash an infrared pulse, immediately followed by a supercharge of the electrode, which would basically shoot lightning in that direction.

[Ben Davidson]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Which required an insane amount of energy. And ultimately they're like, there's no reason to attach this to vehicles and drive it around because we don't have the power for it. In the end, they were like, this little tiny bit of chemical energy in a barrel and focused in one direction is substantially easier to carry than these crazy weapons.

[Phil Labonte]

Guns work.

[Tim Pool]

Guns in war, it is cheaper to have a bunch of guys with guns than it is to create space weapons.

[Phil Labonte]

There's. There's also like. I mean, not that I'm like some kind of like, super combat guy or whatever, but like, bullets are used for more than just killing the enemy. Like, if you don't want your. You don't want anyone to go in that area, or you just want to keep your head. Their heads down, you just shoot. You get a bunch of people to shoot at them, they'll keep their heads down. And then your guys can maneuver and stuff and move. It's kind of like. It's more like a football. If you've got a direct energy weapon, like, you can shoot the wall and blow the wall up, but that's not.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, like, directed energy weapons are not going to take a wall down.

[Phil Labonte]

Blow a hole through a wall.

[Tim Pool]

No, the lasers, absolutely. I mean, a laser could maybe start melting over a long period of time, but you need kinetic energy with mass to take a wall down.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, so then you know that hammer.

[Ben Davidson]

Is not as cool in real life. Right. It's just not.

[Tim Pool]

The point is. Real quick, I just want to add to what you're saying. This is why. This is why we fought for 20 years in Afghanistan and then after leaving, we lost. It's because a bunch of goat herders in caves with a case is more effective than the, than the entire ridiculous technological infrastructure of the. Of the U.S. empire.

[Phil Labonte]

And it's also the reason why it's super important for there never to be any kind of outlawing of, of semiautomatic rifles in the United States. Semiautomatic rifles in the hands of average people can determine even the most powerful force on Earth because it deterred the United States. It's not going to win every gunfight. It's not saying if you got a rifle, you're going to win all the gunfights, but it deters.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

The government from being tyrannical.

[Tim Pool]

Simply put, drones can't occupy street corners. Let's jump to this story, though, and get back to reality. From the Atlantic. This story is going massively viral, and I am here for it. Wait, who is posting those unflattering J.D. vance memes? The online right is trolling one of its own by Ali Breland. I saw this story, and for those that don't know, there have been a spattering of images of JD Vance as you name it. My. One of my favorite is. Let me show you an image real quick. So for those that have no idea what's going on, which one are you gonna pick?

[Phil Labonte]

Tim?

[Ben Davidson]

There's like a hundred of them.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I got it. I tweeted it already, so it's really easy for me to just pull it up.

[Shane Cashman]

If you've become my sleep demons.

[Tim Pool]

Sleep. Here we go. So I. Ladies and gentlemen, I scar you with this.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, goodness.

[Tim Pool]

So people have just been taking J.D. vance's picture and then photoshopping it in ridiculous ways to make him look weird. And I saw this one and I just posted because I thought it was funny. And you can see l saying, tim, go to bed. Indeed. I posted at midnight. So here's the funny thing. The right and the left are all posting these JD Vance memes. Let me. Let me see if I can find this one, because one of my favorite favorite memes was JD Vance as Diglett. Did you see that one? And then someone made J.D. vance's Doug trio. Man. Let me see again.

[Ben Davidson]

This is gonna win him the next election.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Shane Cashman]

I forgot what he actually looks like.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes. I mean, well, the thing is, the meme magic, just like Serge said, like, a big part of the reason why Donald Trump won in 2016 is because of the effect of the. The memes and all of the online stuff. And they've made J.D. vance a household name. Who J.D. vance, who may not have been a household name prior to this. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You know, okay. I'm just making sure there's nothing vulgar or graphic because X is untrustworthy. So maybe I should. Well, I'll just pull this up because why not? It looks fine. Here's JD Vance as George Floyd. Here's JD Vance as Willem Defoe in Spider Man. Here's a minion JD Vance.

[Shane Cashman]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Here's JD Bernie. I am once again asking for more JD Vance memes here. They just gave him long hair. Just.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay, so anyway, my favorite one is the JD Vance as the Unabomber.

[Shane Cashman]

Yes, that one's great.

[Tim Pool]

It's not stopping. And they're all hilarious. And I saw this story from the Atlantic. And everyone was ragging on this woman, Ally Brayland, because she's like, the online right is trolling one of its own. And I thought to myself, guys, is the whole past 15 years of culture war because women were in media and women don't get men. So like, yeah, we are ripping on J.D. vance because it's funny. And even he posted the himself as what's his face, Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the T. And then someone responded with the same exact image, but he was fatter. And it's all funny. It's all funny. I saw this is written by a woman and I'm like, could it be that women genuinely don't understand guys ribbing on each other? And so they've misunderstood online, like what guys do as harassment.

[Shane Cashman]

Right, right.

[Tim Pool]

And that, that's it. That's so. They're like, why is everyone being so mean? Let's ban them. And it's just like two dudes ribbing.

[Shane Cashman]

On each other and everyone's laughing. On this side.

[Tim Pool]

There was one famous. There was one famous moment. I can't remember who it was. They called their friend on X gay. And they said something like, I didn't know you were gay. Lol. And it was like their. It was their roommate. I can't remember who it was. They were on the show and then Twitter banned them and they were like, I was making a joke to my roommate. We're friends. Like, nope. I think it's a bunch of women being like, oh, that's so mean. Like, why are they doing it?

[Ben Davidson]

Have you seen the meme that perfectly illustrates what you're talking about? On top? It has a girl asking her girlfriend, do I look fat? And of course it's like, oh, no, babe, you're beautiful. And then on the bottom, the guy's.

[Tim Pool]

Like, do I look fat?

[Ben Davidson]

And his friends like, bro, I got five fat friends and you're four of them.

[Phil Labonte]

Seriously, I mean, everybody knows that dudes, you know, dudes that actually get along, rib each other. That's just a normal part of male, you know, interaction and stuff.

[Tim Pool]

We were, we were filming today and I'm spoiling the boonies vlog, but special Mike did a really good trick and it took him like two hours to land. For those that are wondering, he ollied onto the two foot ramp from flat from. From the deck, 50, 50. And then front, side, shove it to the ground. If you don't know any of that means don't worry about it. It was difficult. He fell many times and we finally landed we're all cheering and my one friend goes, beat his ass. And then everyone started laughing like he landed the trick. Quick, get him. Yeah, and it was just joke. Yeah, it was. It was a joke. And everyone started laughing and then we high fived him. But imagine, like, we talk about this with YouTube and social media all the time. Context does not matter. Jokes are not allowed. It's like a bunch of hall monitor women not understanding dudes like, you know, towel whipping each other and then laughing about it. They're like they're being bullied.

[Phil Labonte]

Just the infinite face of that sour post woman just going. And the caption underneath says, that's not funny.

[Tim Pool]

So anyway, into the political on this one. Yeah, this is going to. This is going to mean J.D. vance in 2028 into the presidency. This, this article, like, and there's. This is not the only one. There's a bunch of articles where they're basically like, why is the right making fun of J.D. vance? Did they, did they ever look at the Trump memes? That. There's a bunch of Trump memes that are goofing on him and everyone loves it and loves him. The JD Vance memes are not meant to disparage. It's just funny. But it's making J.D. vance a household name.

[Ben Davidson]

Well, and what's it doing subconsciously? What is, what is this teaching people's brains to do when they see J.D. vance's face?

[Tim Pool]

Laugh, smile, laugh.

[Ben Davidson]

Have a good time.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, this is genius. They're associating J.D. vance with laughter, emotions.

[Ben Davidson]

Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's really.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the funniest.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

The funny thing is, I think the left did start it. Right?

[Shane Cashman]

I think.

[Tim Pool]

I'm pretty sure. I don't know. Yeah, everyone's nodding along. We'll just assume it's true.

[Ben Davidson]

But the left can't meme, so.

[Tim Pool]

But, no, but, like. And when they do, we. We're not mad about it. We're like, oh, this is hilarious.

[Shane Cashman]

I feel like the first ones I saw were him being fat shared by leftists making fun of him looking fat.

[Ben Davidson]

Right?

[Shane Cashman]

And then we were just like, that's hilarious.

[Tim Pool]

It was funny.

[Shane Cashman]

Make him fatter.

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah, we're taking that. It's ours now.

[Tim Pool]

There's. There's one they made of me where I went on Fox News and they keep making me. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about? I keep getting. Every time they repost, I'm slightly fatter. People believe it. And, and people are like, he looked at the guy from Duck Dynasty and it's me. And then it says something like, tim can't get laid or like. And it's like I'm on Fox News and it's funny and every time they repost it, I'm fatter and redder and I'm. And remember the one with Charlie Kirk where they made his face smaller? They don't understand that dudes ripping on each other is fun and funny. Yeah, but to leftists, it's meant to hurt your feelings.

[Shane Cashman]

JD's gonna be on Kill Tony next. He like, he just secured his spot on Kill Tony.

[Tim Pool]

Did he really? Is that true? I don't know.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm just saying like he. Because he didn't seem like someone who would be on Kill Tony. Trump did to me. But after this there's a, there's a.

[Tim Pool]

Really funny wojack of me where my head is massive and the beanie is really small and on top and there's strings coming down and I'm standing in a hot air balloon of my own head. I'm like, if it's, I reposted it. I was like, that's pretty good to.

[Shane Cashman]

Be framed in this room.

[Tim Pool]

I know. I think leftists large and it's largely liberal millennial women who are, you know, leading the Democrat charge. They, they, they think that's offensive to you. When they post a picture of a fat JD Vance with like a beet red face and his eyes are crossed, they think like, haha, he's getting real mad at this one. And then he sees and goes.

[Shane Cashman]

You also have to think though, like, yeah, this lady wrote this. But a team of editors, this went through an office, a newsroom at the Atlantic. I've written for them. It's a lot of people who all have their hands in one story every time. So everyone agreed with this and said yes.

[Tim Pool]

They say the memes first appeared in October when a user on X posted an image of Vance Captioned, for every 100 likes, I will turn JD Vance into a progressively apple cheeked baby. I mean that's, that's what they did with Charlie Cake. Charlie Kirk's face. Yeah, they were like, for everyone. Hundred likes, I'm gonna make his face a little bit smaller. And then it kept getting smaller and smaller.

[Phil Labonte]

But the thing is that, that's a. Ben, you made a great point. It associates seeing his face with positive emotions. It associates his face with laughing, with, with, you know, having a good time. That, that's, that's really, really a great point you made. You know, it's like the evolution of.

[Shane Cashman]

His face being viral because he went Viral the first time with the look he made during the debate. And now.

[Phil Labonte]

I forgot about that meme.

[Ben Davidson]

Shane.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, right, right.

[Phil Labonte]

I forgot about that one.

[Shane Cashman]

Now he's everybody on the planet.

[Tim Pool]

Look at this.

[Ben Davidson]

I've used that meme.

[Tim Pool]

Deseret says Vice President J.D. vance becomes Internet's meme darling. From baby face renditions to classic pop culture parodies, the vice president is a hit.

[Phil Labonte]

And remember, Internet.

[Ben Davidson]

And who wrote this?

[Tim Pool]

This is Deseret. I think they're a Canadian outlet. Am I wrong? Utah. Wow.

[Phil Labonte]

It's way off, you know, but. But it bears saying, too. Also, like, people. People vote with their emotions.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, for those that are just listening, we're laughing at a picture of J.D. vance's George Washington. What else? John Adams. J.D.

[Shane Cashman]

That'S incredible.

[Tim Pool]

J.D. madison. Let's.

[Phil Labonte]

J.D. monroe. Oh, this is not Jerome Powell.

[Tim Pool]

Is that it? The ones they have, they have them as. What? Is it J.D. vance from Andy Griffith? Is that it? Yeah. Yeah, man. And they're just putting his face on everything. I got to be honest, though. I can't find the Diglet one. Diglett. Yeah. You guys know what Diglett is? How do I find that?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know.

[Ben Davidson]

I just ask Grock. Grock will find it.

[Phil Labonte]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's. It's like one of the best memes. And on X. I know. I tried searching on X to find it. I couldn't get it.

[Ben Davidson]

Anything I want to find on X, I just ask Grock. I don't even look.

[Tim Pool]

Really.

[Ben Davidson]

I don't. I don't even use the search function. I'm just like, grock, find me this.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, okay. All right. I said, find me a post of JD Vance looking like Diglett, because then someone made Doug Trio, and it's super hilarious. It's not. It's just writing a bunch of things out.

[Ben Davidson]

Oh, is it?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I. I asked for that. It's just me just.

[Tim Pool]

It's just explaining to me the meme.

[Ben Davidson]

Okay, so you might have to say something like, find me the post on X of the JD Vance meme where he looks like Diglett. So, like, that.

[Tim Pool]

That.

[Ben Davidson]

That's basically your learning curve when it comes to AI. Like, you type in something and it's like, oh, oh, I need to ask it this way.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I will say the funny thing is, if you search JD Vance on X, you only get memes. There's no picture of him, like, just normal doing something.

[Shane Cashman]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

I'll just scroll through these, and I'm bound to find it, because everyone keeps so funny. J.D. vance has the son from the Teletubbies. And the Teletubbies the same time. I do like the. The. The rosy cheeked as Donald Trump. Rosy cheeked as. As Modoc as Bill Murray and Groundhog Day. Man, this is so good.

[Shane Cashman]

Matrix. I knew it wasn't going to end when you saw the as fighting off Little Debbie is Neo. Oh, Little Debbie. Yeah, I see that. Yeah, that's good.

[Tim Pool]

And I do like it when people just retake existing ones and make them fatter.

[Phil Labonte]

It is good.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, well, I can't find it. Yeah, there are some funny ones though.

[Shane Cashman]

What a time to be alive.

[Phil Labonte]

JD Vance Diglett.

[Tim Pool]

This is come 2028. If this momentum as Chicken McNuggets. If this, if this keeps going. These are, these are ridiculous. If he's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna meme himself into the presidency or he's gonna be memed. We're just, I'm just scrolling through and me and Serg are laughing trying to look for these memes. Thanos. There's so many crazy. It is crazy, right? My only. I can't show this on screen because there's probably some weird vulgar nonsense in it. I. I see, I see. I see them everywhere I go. Who JD Vance.

[Phil Labonte]

You see the. This post was fact checked by true McPatriots with, with a ball. JD Vance.

[Tim Pool]

Is there just like one master photo of all of the memes? There's just everywhere.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, there's, there are, there are threads that have.

[Ben Davidson]

I'm willing to bet one of your listeners right now is on Claude Sonnet or GPT writing a code or asking it to go find every JD Vance meme and put it into like an aggregated picture. One of your fans is doing that right now.

[Tim Pool]

I'm telling, I'm telling Grok to do it.

[Ben Davidson]

Find me the links of every.

[Tim Pool]

All right, all right, let's, let's, let's talk about the news though. We do have this story here from cbs. Another plane crash. CBS says five. Here we go. Five people injured in a plane crash in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Officials say this is reported from today. And I don't, I don't. Is this the same story as the one that happened like yesterday or is another one. They say five people were injured after a small plane crashed in the parking lot of retirement community. Right. Okay, so this was the one. Yesterday. Authorities had money that five people on board were taken to Lancaster General Hospital. Spokesperson said three of the patients were transferred to the. From Health Network's Burn Center Two Other were treated little said no one on the ground was hurt. In a statement, Brethren Village said, unfortunately, no residents were injured. Says fortunately, sorry, no residents were injured and no damage was reported. However, 12 vehicles were damaged. Air traffic control audio captured the pilot reporting the aircraft has an open door. We need to return for a landing. Now, we were talking about this. I was talking about this with Ben before the show, and there's a lot of questions about why we're seeing so many plane crashes. Is it dei? Well, this appears to be like a private flight crashing. Why are we hearing so many stories of plane crashes? Then we had. It was the Delta flight operated by Endeavor that came in hard in Canada and belly flopped and then rolled over. And a lot of people said, probably DEI because they think the pilot was female or the co pilot was female who was doing the landing and the male was communicating with air traffic control. I don't know for sure. I will say this right off the bat. I know that many people have warned over the past year that DEI in the airlines is going to result in crashes. However, they all seem to have just started around the same time. We started getting all of these reports of plane crashes right at the same time. Yesterday, my brother was saying, could it just be that we're getting more reports of it? We're paying attention now. And then he goes, well, actually, if a plane crashed in a parking lot, I think it's national news no matter what happens. And it's like, yes, it's all just happening now. So how could it be dei? Then? The liberals and the Democrats, the left are all saying it's Trump's fault. But Trump didn't fire anybody when these things started happening. Trump had just gotten in, we started seeing these plane crashes and. And Elon did not do anything with Doge to the airlines or air traffic control when these were crashing. So I don't think there's a strong correlation politically to the plane crashes. The question then is, why are so many planes crashing? Now, in this instance, is that the door was open. I have no idea. I was. Ben and I were talking and he was explaining about polar shift and solar weather and things like that. And there. And you're outright saying that we are in the midst of a polar shift, like the polls are shifting, It's. The process has begun. Is that fair to say?

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah, certainly.

[Tim Pool]

And so then I said, what if planes have started crashing, the wildfires are getting intense, not because of climate change, but because. But because of solar weather or, I'm sorry, space weather, as it were. Maybe the instruments are getting messed up and we're seeing this amplifier or something. I got to be honest, it seems equally as a stretch to assume the instruments are failing as it is to assume it's DEI or Trump's doing, because there's no hard correlations. Only the question why did all of a sudden we start seeing many different plane crashes in the span of a couple of months?

[Ben Davidson]

You know, I. The last time I was on with you, it was a little over a year ago. That while I was here, that was when that airplane had that emergency landing on the highway. That was literally while I was here with you last time. And I remember back then thinking, man, is this dei? Is this going to get worse? And I, it immediately clicked into my head that, like, one of the things I had told people was like, look, hey, this magnetic pole shift keeps going in this way, eventually things are just going to stop working for no good reason. Planes might start to have trouble on takeoff, landing, or maybe even, God forbid, while they're up at cruising altitude. And with it happening so much, it's really the point you were making about. There doesn't seem to be any rationale for why Di Di would come and bite us in the butts.

[Tim Pool]

Like cluster.

[Ben Davidson]

Like in a cluster. And it doesn't make sense that it's a political thing because you would have done that before, before the election. But.

[Tim Pool]

Well, if, if it was, if it was Trump's firing related, then we wouldn't have seen any crashes until after the firings happened. But, but in fact, we started seeing crashes before Trump had done anything. And so it could be DEI all catching up all at once, I guess. But if it was dei, wouldn't you see a, like a parabolic curve of little bits and then lots of bits, not just nothing. And then within a span of a few months, boom, a big cluster of plane crashes. I guess. I'm sorry, just the point would be it opens the possibility of an external phenomenon to technology, to our aircraft and our political system. Meaning weather.

[Shane Cashman]

Do you think the polar shift can affect people's mental state?

[Ben Davidson]

Oh, it certainly is.

[Shane Cashman]

And you think we're in that now where the people like at large are having problems mentally because of what's going on with Earth?

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah, I mean, I don't want to, I don't want to completely derail this airplane thing, but they know two main things about what happens to our brains when it's exposed to an excess amount of the kind of energy that you'd get from the sun. First thing that happens is Your hippocampus, mitochondria don't work quite as efficiently. Cognition goes down. It's a fun way of saying you get a little dumber at the exact same time that extra energy is overexciting the locus coeruleus and the dead center in there. And that's your reactivity to terror, panic, anxiety, fear. And so if it seems like people are all getting dumber while they're becoming more emotionally unstable and more reactive to panic and fear. Yes, yes, they are.

[Tim Pool]

Now, just for context, because this does matter, we have a super chat from Baron of Gray Matter, who says on average, 1400 general aviation plane crashes per year. Air traffic controller here.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, I think that that was one of the things that I was going to bring up when, when there was a pause. The, the fact that we're seeing more attention paid to small aircrafts. Like, so this is five people were injured. How many, like, how big was the aircraft? What size? Because there are regularly accidents of smaller aircraft. Smaller aircraft have, you know, that don't make news beyond, like the local news, because if. Not that, not that I want to, you know, minimize death, but like, if a few, a handful of people die and it's not a major carrier and it's not at a major airport, it honestly is only a local news, you know, news story. So there can be like, like, like the super chat just said thousand or so plane crashes every year. And it just, just so happens that they're getting more focused now because the news is focused on these types of events, because whether, whether they have a, an intentional bias or not. There's all this talk about the faa. There was the crash, the very public crash at dca and that kind of set the wheels in motion to be, oh, hey, you know, is there a problem with the FAA or there were these cuts. And so the narrative is built and so you see more attention paid.

[Ben Davidson]

So what I would say is.

[Tim Pool]

How.

[Ben Davidson]

Many different times in the last year have you seen a post on social media playing got an engine on fire in the sky?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, multiple times.

[Ben Davidson]

And how many times did you see it before the last year?

[Tim Pool]

And so is it really that people just didn't post it? I don't believe it. Shot content sells. If there were videos of planes with engines on fire, people would be posting them on X and Instagram nonstop.

[Shane Cashman]

I saw one of those engines on fire videos and comments were like, this is five years old. You know, so it seems like people.

[Tim Pool]

Are posting interesting too.

[Ben Davidson]

How about that?

[Tim Pool]

People didn't consider to be like maybe this video of a plane maybe crashing would get a lot of views.

[Shane Cashman]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

The lead story on the Daily Mail this morning was of a woman in her seat in Brazil who got asked to move. Not kidding. Like, the Daily Mail was like, I know what story we'll lead with. It's a woman sitting by the window and someone asks her to move because a child is crying and she didn't. And I'm like, if people are going to post that, wouldn't they want to post? People post all sorts of weird stuff in the sky all the time. Weird atmospheric events or rocket ships being, you know, launched and things like that.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep. Or breaking apart, you know, falling back.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Maybe, yeah, maybe it's as simple as we just didn't post.

[Ben Davidson]

Some people, they wait a long time to do stuff. Okay. Some people wait 30 years after being raped to come and say something. And some people see an airplane in the sky on fire and wait five years to post that on the Internet.

[Shane Cashman]

I see it's hot right now. I'm going to put.

[Tim Pool]

Well, to be fair, like someone stealing and reposting a video that already exists.

[Ben Davidson]

Maybe.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. But it is kind of crazy to me that these stories weren't in the common news cycle. Like all of a sudden people are like, let's share a bunch of videos of plane crashes. But come on, like the Delta plane crashing and flipping over and the Delta.

[Ben Davidson]

I've never seen anything and.

[Tim Pool]

Or the plane crashing into the helicopter in D.C. look, you can tell me that there's 1400 accidents per year. Someone else mentioned that according to the ntsb, crashes are down. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure if we, if at any point in the past 20 years a plane crashed in a helicopter, it'd be national news. If at any point a plane crashed over, it's national news. When the plane crashed in the Hudson, national news.

[Shane Cashman]

The one in Philadelphia just a few.

[Tim Pool]

Weeks ago into the parking lot. But that's what I'm saying. Like those high level crashes are all happening around the same time.

[Ben Davidson]

I would like to know what the stats are if we take out single engine Cessna as we take out private planes. Like let's look at the big commercial carriers and let's count those up. I would be interested to see what those stats are.

[Phil Labonte]

If I understand correctly, at least in the U.S. the, the crash at the accident at DCA, that was the first plane crash in the United States, I think since 2009.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that was a big deal. They said commercial.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, first commercial one. The incentive for airliners to not have a mistake or have a catastrophic, you know, crash or failure or whatever is very high. Not only because of things, not only because of regulation, which is what people think is the actual driver, but really it's litigation and damage to the brand.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

If you have too many crashes, they're going to be like people can be. I don't want to fly.

[Tim Pool]

I got you. So I just asked our little robot friend. On average, there are four to six fatal commercial airline crashes per year per year worldwide. However, the total number of commercial aviation accidents, including non fatal incidents, varies greatly but remains low, making commercial air travel one of the safest modes of transportation. I am going to ask it for clarification because I don't care about fatal crashes.

[Shane Cashman]

It feels like they're just amplified fear.

[Tim Pool]

However, I then said, how many commercial crashes in 2020? 5? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. There have been five commercial crashes this year and I believe we are well. So Air Bassan was. Everyone survived with seven injuries. There was a, a light air service crash with 21 occupants. Only one survived. So that's, that's one fatal. You had the Potomac collision, 67 fatalities. The bearing Air flight, Cessna. Let's see, what is that? Grand Caravan disappeared over Gnome, Alaska.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, right, that.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, right, yeah. Ten people died. And then the Delta Endeavor, 21 injuries. How many non fatal commercial crashes on average?

[Phil Labonte]

I imagine that's not very many because it's hard to have fender benders when.

[Tim Pool]

You'Re 30 to 50. Really commercial airline accidents per year. But that includes Runway excursions, hard landings, bird strikes, gear up landings and other mishaps.

[Ben Davidson]

Totally different.

[Tim Pool]

Totally different. Totally different. Okay, how do you. I guess fatal accidents is the important metric. And we have what I think three of the listed ones are, are fatal.

[Ben Davidson]

See, here's the thing. But then the, the Delta flight that's sitting upside down on the tarmac. Nobody died.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it's unbelievable.

[Phil Labonte]

Believable.

[Tim Pool]

So yeah, we have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 3 of which were fatal commercial airline incidents. So if there's four to six per year in one month, we have had the high end. Half the year's total accidents so far. So again, I think it's fair to say that we as the average people are noticing. It's a weird thing to have it all happen at once and these happened. So this is important because the date, we have the dates on them. January 28th, 29th, the Potomac river crash was nine days after Trump got in. He didn't do anything that those flight routes and those training that training with the Blackhawk, that was all preplanned. Trump didn't have a week to change that. So how do we get three fatal commercial flights in the span of a month, start of this year and then one flip over.

[Phil Labonte]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And. Right. Which is a serious accident.

[Ben Davidson]

That's a serious accident.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know, man. It could be dei. Seriously. Any explanation is welcome at this point, you guys. Super chat. Let me know what you think. Comments because it's dei, doesn't make sense why it all happens in one month. Right? Right. Right. As Trump gets elected. Boom. It all happens. Was like a bunch of the DEI hires were, were they were hired but not allowed to fly just yet. And then the moment Biden was leaving, he clicked a button to activate their jobs. Yeah. It doesn't make sense.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that, I think that it's, I think it's just coincidence then that it's, that it's happening because these, the, the conversation about a crisis of competence has been something. It's been ongoing for at least a couple years now. People talking because we knew that DEI was a thing that wasn't a. This isn't a surprise that we're all just finding out about it. Maybe it is more common than we thought. Or there's, there's, you know, there's been more, more hiring of, of people based on DEI criteria than we thought. But it wasn't like this is a surprise we've talked about.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. I. DEI made actually be the explanation. In 2024, there were 16 fatal commercial airline accidents worldwide. 3,333 deaths. So we maybe just weren't seeing these reported as much, but they were definitely higher than the average over the past decade.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So maybe it really is that simple.

[Ben Davidson]

You know, to be honest, it's obviously gone through my head. Is this increased solar impact because we're losing Earth's magnetic field? You know, certainly that would drive views to my channel, wouldn't it? Gotta be honest.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Ben Davidson]

Like, I've probably had 10 of those opportunities where like, if I wanted to stretch, you know, stretch how I looked at myself in the mirror afterwards, I could have, I could have put out a viral video about something like that. But you know, I gotta be honest, I feel like when we got to that point, it would be even worse than this. Like planes falling out of the sky. Like people suffering, like entire airplanes suffering acute radiation sickness every passenger.

[Tim Pool]

You know, people don't realize the radiation on planes.

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah. And that's, that's going through the roof right now. Eventually it's going to happen. There's going to be an incident. There's going to be a weak spot in the magnetic field. There's going to be a massive cosmic ray burst or something. Something that happens every day but isn't a big deal.

[Tim Pool]

But no one's and then everyone's gonna get superpowers on the plane when the.

[Ben Davidson]

Cosmic radiation, literally everyone's gonna start throwing.

[Tim Pool]

Up on the plane and, and they're gonna call it a mysterious illness. And they're not gonna check for radiation or anything like that.

[Ben Davidson]

No, they're, I'm sure they're gonna all.

[Tim Pool]

Just cover it up.

[Ben Davidson]

Cover it up or say that it.

[Phil Labonte]

Was whatever they're food poisoning.

[Ben Davidson]

Covid with.

[Tim Pool]

We're gonna jump to this next story. Before we do, my friends, smash that like button share the show with everyone. And I want to say yesterday was my birthday.

[Ben Davidson]

Happy birthday.

[Tim Pool]

Yesterday was my birthday. I'm 39 years old and it's been a tremendous couple of months what with Trump's presidency, the gutting of the bureaucratic state, the firing of federal workers, the getting married, having a kid. It's been this 2025 is best year ever. Best year of my life at least. So what you can do is join Rumble Premium, support our work. You can watch the uncensored call in [e-mail] Timcast IRL. You can go to Timcast.com and join our Discord community with over 20,000 people you can hang out with, talk to every single day and be a part of the news and be an active participant, not just a passive observer. So if you want to get a gift, those are the things you can do for my birthday. Thank you very much. Now, in all seriousness, this story is pretty brutal from the Post Millennial breaking infowars reporter Jamie White brutally murdered in his apartment on Sunday night. White was pronounced dead in the hospital. The investigation remains ongoing and authorities haven't yet have yet to release further details. Now, I believe that Infowars is Alex. They're basically saying this has more to do with the lax on crime policies of Democrats. Not that it's anything related to any kind of any kind of investigation or, you know, nefarious or malicious deeds. We don't know. But I gotta say, based on it being InfoWars, the first place my mind goes to is what was this guy investigating? Because I'm sorry, I mean no disrespect to Alex, but I don't think he pays the kind of money that would result in a strong armed robbery and some burglary in someone's home of a reporter to end their life. You know, like, journalists tend not to be the targets of people looking for money. Maybe you want to go to somebody who's rich, in a rich neighborhood, so.

[Ben Davidson]

Who doesn't have an apartment. Like, he was killed in his apartment, you know, And.

[Tim Pool]

And of course, sometimes it's as simple as drugs were involved and people fought over them and there was a debt. Who knows? But I. I don't know, man. I don't know.

[Shane Cashman]

I've been chased by zombies in Austin on 6th Street. So I. Do you do know. We've been there. Like, there's. It's some pretty gnarly spots in Austin where crime is totally allowed. Really bad addicts are all over the place.

[Tim Pool]

They say he was working late at the Infow studio Sunday night. He was found outside his home just a few miles from the studio, and he was pronounced at the hospital. So maybe someone just ran up to him and attacked him.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Good.

[Tim Pool]

There was another story recently. I mean, but there's this. This is not even unique for me to say, where a guy walked up to him and just stabbed her in the back with a knife. I think it was in, like, D.C. or something. There's so many stories like that all over the place.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

That maybe that's just it. Maybe he was just a victim of a random attack. I don't know. Coincidence is.

[Shane Cashman]

It's hard knowing it's a journalist from Infowars, of course. But I know. I know people who. I know someone. I knew someone who was attacked like that. A supermarket. Random person just walked to the supermarket and just had a victim in mind. Anyone with a knife and took him out and. Made no sense. Right. Didn't know him. Nothing. It's just that guy was bloodthirsty that day and crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Jeez.

[Phil Labonte]

It's really, really, really hard to be, you know, to hear these kind of stories and. And give any. Give any kind of advice. Because, sure, when you're in, like, you can hear things. Like, you want to be aware when you're in transitional spaces, Right. When you get out of your car, when you're getting in your car. Those are the kind of places where people attack you when you're coming. Walking out of work, walking into work. Those are the kind of places where. Where attacks happen. But it's really hard to constantly be aware, like your friend that you're talking about just walking through the supermarket, you know, just, you know, randomly, that kind of stuff can happen. And it's. And again, like, I watch a lot of, a lot of, you know, attacks and stuff like that on, on YouTube. Like that's interesting to me to see the way that people actually do, you know, attack. And it's like it's a good idea to look people in the eyes when you're walking around because if you make eye contact with people, they tend to decide to find someone else because it's not about looking like you're tough. It's not about looking like you're, you're some kind of badass. All you have to is look like you're not an easy target.

[Tim Pool]

So we, we, we do have some updates. Refresh the page. They say info was reported Jamie White was found unresponsive late Sunday and what authorities are investigating a murder. He was pronounced dead after being taken to local hospital. Austin Police Department officers responded to a high priority emergency call at approximately 11:57pm Officers arrived two minutes later and found White with obvious signs of trauma. The investigation is ongoing and authorities have not confirmed the nature of White's injuries or released information about potential suspects. This marks Austin's eighth, eighth homicide this year. Ratliff said. This is pretty early on in the investigation and the homicide unit will be releasing more information as they're as they're able. That's the APD public information officer. They're going to say. A statement from Infowars Jamie's death, tragic death will not be in vain and those responsible for the senseless violence will be brought to justice. Jones blamed Soros Austin, Texas DA Jose Garza partially for the murder. White was working late Sunday night. He was found just a few outside his home. He's found at his home a few miles from the studio. And we have this other quote. When you see the Soros das in control of over 800 jurisdictions protecting serious narcotic and human trafficking gangs and you see different feds and ICE calling in warnings for most violent gangs in the world that there are ICE rates coming. Pam Bondi saying that they're preparing to indict some of these people that there are so many communist traders in the government that they're doing polygraphs. Jones said in the show. This is a crisis defunding the police. All of this has been to destabilize society. So Jones went on to say, despite Austin being a war zone at night, many areas the police were there in two minutes and got in the hospital in just 15 to 20 he was announced dead there. That's service. You can't do your job when you don't have enough people so remember that story?

[Ben Davidson]

I'm gonna get myself in trouble.

[Tim Pool]

Well, then maybe save it for the uncensored portion. If it's too spicy on the pale or too spicy.

[Ben Davidson]

Okay.

[Shane Cashman]

Remember that story last year? They found, like, 10 bodies in the lake in Austin.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, and there's a serial killer.

[Shane Cashman]

That was a rumor. I don't know if that was. If they really believed it, but people.

[Tim Pool]

Keep falling off the bridge.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And. Right. Yeah, we talked about that. And they keep saying, like, no, no, there's nothing going on. But was it. Wasn't it, like, there's someone who was drugged and then escaped?

[Shane Cashman]

I think that was one of the stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

A guy was drugged at a bar, brought to the bridge, but then, like, fought off the dude and then ran off.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Austin's wild.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, it's dangerous. You know, the. The fact that there are DAs that don't actually put people that are dangerous away because of things like restorative justice, which are phrases that you hear on the left all the time, which are just ridiculous concepts. You know, whole cloth idiocy. You have to take people that are dangerous off the streets.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

That is. That is job number one for any kind of, you know, reasonable law enforcement agency. And if you're not going to take them off the streets, then you have to empower citizens to defend themselves, because something must deter criminals. And if you do not put them away and they are not afraid of the people that they are victimizing, then there is no deterrence, and they are just going to keep committing crimes and they're going to keep victimizing.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know. I think it's compassionate to release murderers.

[Ben Davidson]

You held your straight face for about one.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm from New York. That's what they did. Yeah, that's what they did in New York during COVID Just release them all. And that's where we're at now.

[Tim Pool]

Man. I got to wonder, though, is this all turning around? I mean, with Trump in office? It's been a month. It's been two. It's been a month and a half. Trump is making big moves against bureaucratic and deep state infrastructure. After this, we're going to. We're already seeing the pickup in law enforcement with Cash and Pam Bondi. I know everyone's upset over the Epstein files. I'd like to see them, too. But Cash, he got two guys who are selling secrets in the army or whatever.

[Shane Cashman]

That's great.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

So I think three wasn't.

[Tim Pool]

It was a three. The work has begun. The work has Begun. So we're going to need to see some top level infrastructure and law enforcement that is going to direct local law enforcement. And if, and I'll tell you this, if, if these Democrat jurisdictions don't enforce the law, Trump should invoke the Insurrection act and go secure these areas.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. You know, there was a post on X by a Democrat strategist or whatever and she was complaining about the attacks on, or the, the vandalism basically of Tesla dealerships. She's like, oh, this is going to make it easier for them to institute the Insurrection act and blah, blah, blah. And while I don't think that vandalism of Tesla properties is actually, you know, rises to the level of justification for the Insurrection act, you know, high levels of crime, not that I, and I think crime is, is going down. Even though you are seeing some fairly high profile crimes like this, if crime does were to spike again, I think that you might see, you might see a more, a more vigorous reaction from the current FB DOJ administration.

[Ben Davidson]

I think things are getting better, but things ebb and flow in a battle like this. This is, I don't know if you guys are going to agree with me, but I think this is an economic, cultural, political and spiritual, ethical, moral war battle that's going on among society right now.

[Shane Cashman]

Absolutely.

[Ben Davidson]

There are some people who are some pretty good thinkers, some folks I respect a lot. I don't know if they'd want me mentioning their names or. But they, they believe that the next civil war has begun and we're just in the early stages of it and nobody really realizes just how bad it's going to be.

[Phil Labonte]

Tim didn't say it.

[Tim Pool]

I didn't. So you can't drink, Ray Dalio said it took her Elson a couple weeks ago. Yeah, and it's been spoken of quite a bit. I didn't come up with the idea and I'm not the only one who talks about the idea. Anybody with eyes to see could, could see that we, we are on this path now. It doesn't mean that it ends in civil war. Civil strife periods are the precursor to civil war. Bleeding Kansas, of course, was the American Civil War the precursor. But the civil rights era and the protests and the rioting was a civil strife period that did not become a civil war. Right now, however, I think we are so massively entrenched with the Democrat cult machine, there's no way to break it. You have people who know they're wrong and don't care. They're wrong, they hate, they are fueled by nothing but cult social adherence and hatred. So you're not going to tell me that you know, when you're talking to someone. Here, I'll give you an example. There's a viral video where a guy is wearing a. An American flag on a beanie. It's a black beanie, it's American flag on it. And he's asking people questions. And a woman says, he's clearly an antagonist, far right trying to disrupt. And he's like, why? And she's like, because you're wearing an American flag. And he's like, this is just the hat that I got from rei. I don't. I don't know, I'll take it off. She's like, no, you know what you're doing. So long as those kinds of people exist and they are fervent and they are violent and they can be weaponized by more intelligent factions of the far left, antifa types, this is going to escalate. Now you have that ziz cult, far leftists, transgender people. They murdered a cop. It was a CBP agent, I believe, or it was cbp, murdered him because he pulled him over. Now they're on the run, faking their death, who knows what. And this is just. If it keeps escalating, then you, you end up in civil war. And the way things are going, the threats against Donald Trump, the threats against Elon Musk, what are they doing now? They're setting fires at Tesla stations, they're setting Tesla cars on fire, they're shooting up Tesla dealerships, threatening Elon's life. Now we got a DDoS attack, a cyber attack of some sort on X. It's not cooling down, it's only escalating. On TikTok, these people are posting incessantly, saying things like, you, you, you should go do it, and stuff like that. There's a viral video where a guy points out one woman says something the effect of like, y'all know, you need to go and do it or whatever. And it's vague, but in the comments she makes reference to getting rid of the King and the President or, or, or I'm sorry, she made a reference to John Wilkes Booth. So everybody knew what she was saying. Another one responded saying that it'll be her, outright saying it'll be me and you'll know it. These people are making these videos. It is mass formation psychosis, where they want clicks and they want views. So they are going to just pile on and say, do it, do it, do it, do it, until a handful of crazy people start Doing crazy things.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm noticing the mental illness in my old, like my ex friends getting crazier than it was when they were mad at me during how I was during COVID Like the way I'm, the way I've been. Like make. If I make fun of Zelensky, it's like I'm making fun of their dad or mom and they're sending me like deranged message. We had someone threaten the family saying they know where my kids are.

[Tim Pool]

Over Zelensky, over like politics.

[Shane Cashman]

And it's insane. And that's just my personal.

[Tim Pool]

But just looking at the reaction to Zelensky. Who is this guy? Why do you care about him? You don't know who he is. You never heard of him before. The war in Ukraine has been, it's been three years and in three years you have attached your soul to this man. You are psychotic. These people have lost their minds and they're dangerous.

[Shane Cashman]

They see him as the, he's the opposing force to Trump, one of the many that they see on their side.

[Ben Davidson]

You know, I see these things as sort of like the macrocosm of the small scale stuff that's actually going to cause it. They have created so much strife and division in so many homes and among so many families. Friends and among. I mean they've set friends against each other. They've sent brothers against sisters, fathers against sons, husbands against wives and all at the same time being doing a very good job convincing an enormous portion of the population that there is nothing worse in the world than a straight white man.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but you know, it's this phenomenon that we're seeing is a component of deep state intelligence agents or whatever trying to struggle to maintain power. Zealots and far leftists. The biggest concern I have is not the deep state. Trump's routing them. It's not antifa. These people are stupid. It is the random woman screaming the American flag is white supremacy without thought or knowledge or knowing what's going on. It is the zealous mess. The, the largest lump of the far left derangement is the cult mess. They don't read the news. They, they have no idea what they're talking about. They're, they're insistent they do and they want destructive things. I'll give you a really good example and I'm going to drag a lot on purpose. A lot is a communist. Shocking. So a lot is, is. He's a freelance reporter for us. He came on the show and said Bezos gets, makes too much money and uses loopholes to Avoid paying taxes. And I'm like, okay, that's a leftist talking point and it's fundamentally and factually false. Now I'm not trying to drag you laud for no reason. The point is, no matter how many times we told a lot, he, he did not understand corporate law or tax law. He was arguing with us fervently and adamantly that Jeff Bezos pay taxes on money that doesn't exist. No matter how many times you tried to explain, Bezos does not have that cash. It is imaginary equity and it is imaginary value based on the equity in a company. He said, so what? He should pay taxes. There's no explaining to him that, that that's impossible and it makes no sense. It's like someone saying we should, we should scoop up the sky and throw it in the ocean. And you're like, okay, that's just nonsense. That's. You said nothing. And then they get mad at you and they say we have to do it. Then you, you see the people out in the streets antifa, and they're screaming, we gotta, we gotta tear down the sky. And you're like, it's, it's, it's nothing. It's, it's water particles and refraction. What are you talking about? And they're like, you're a fascist because you won't do it. And they burn buildings down. There's no convincing a person who is deranged and can't comprehend reality. You can try, you can be nice, you can vote, but eventually they're gonna say Elon Musk, whose dealerships are being burned down, who are being shot up, is doing this to make money. Tesla stock is down some 30% in a month. He's doing it to steal your money and make money. What? His stock is going down, his net worth is declining. And then they're going to say should pay taxes on it. They have no idea what they're talking about. None of it makes sense. And these people are, it's derangement.

[Shane Cashman]

They were self immolating last year and cheering.

[Ben Davidson]

They were lighting themselves.

[Shane Cashman]

And so what's the next step?

[Tim Pool]

Right, well now they're all on social media advocating for assassination. Not all of them, but many people are outright calling for violence. You had that video of Adam Conover's podcast where a woman said that she polled people who attended the Women's March and 30% said they believe the use of violence is justified to stop Donald Trump or something that affect.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, and they saw January six is, you know, worse than 9 11d day.

[Phil Labonte]

How long until they start attacking just random Tesla owners? So they're, They're.

[Tim Pool]

They already are.

[Phil Labonte]

They're vandalizing.

[Tim Pool]

They already are.

[Phil Labonte]

There's actual people or they're vandalizing.

[Tim Pool]

They're vandalizing random Tesla vehicles.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh yeah, I know.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm talking about. What about, what about when they start attacking the people that own tests?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, it's bound to happen.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, like now, granted, I think that it's, it's still. That's a little far away because now they're only vandalizing. They haven't started. You know, they're not actually attacking people yet, but they're vandalizing dealerships, they're vandalizing the Tesla superchargers.

[Ben Davidson]

How many snowflakes do you know personally?

[Phil Labonte]

Not many.

[Ben Davidson]

I can tell you that. They got all the talk and all the balls in the world until another living creature is staring them in the face. If there's nobody there, they'll spray paint, they'll key, they'll cut, they'll do whatever. The moment even the tiniest ray of light shines onto their darkness, they shrivel so fast.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree.

[Ben Davidson]

You think?

[Tim Pool]

I have been at way too many events with far leftists where single individual actors have committed acts of violence against people. Yeah, certainly there are the people you're referring to, but the ones that are committing violence, they're going to commit violence. It's actually the inverse, to be honest. So the strategy used by leftists is get as many regular people as possible to create a mass of bodies and then one person starts the violence to ignite the conflict. Yeah, so it's, it's usually the individual actors and. Well, actually I, I am agreeing large with what you say, but I disagree that if they're by themselves, they won't do it. They certainly do. They. And you know, they throw bricks by themselves. They use the masses to cover their actions when they engage in violence. But certainly we have seen numerous instances where individual far leftists have started fights or gotten into fights or, or small groups even.

[Ben Davidson]

Sure, sure. I'm just saying that those kind of people really aren't the same kind of people who are going to go and like sneak up and spray paint like part of like those people. Like they want the conflict. It's like they want someone to be filming it. It's like they, you know what I mean? Like they, those are two different people. You know, the one who sneaks up and slashes a Tesla's tires is not the same one screaming at the top of their lungs. In a big protest, starting the violence.

[Tim Pool]

So like at big protests, the person who slashes the tire quietly is the person who starts the violence.

[Ben Davidson]

You think?

[Tim Pool]

So that's, that's, that's their strategy. They call it green, yellow and red. And so the green zone is the large mass of people who are stupid, have no idea what's going on.

[Shane Cashman]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

The yellow are the direct action people who are leading and organizing the protests and directing the masses. And the red, the red actors are those who throw bricks and these big organized protests.

[Ben Davidson]

I actually do think you're right. I was thinking more along lines of like you, you. You walk to your parked car after you're at the bar and some pink haired snowflake is trying to key your car. That's not the dude who's gonna swing on you.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean the, the pink haired woman, maybe not a guy would.

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah, well, I mean, I said pink haired guy, but.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, like that, that, that guy will.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, that's what happened to. I forget the guy's name that got shot in, in.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Aaron Danielson in Portland.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, he.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, one, one guy with, with a BLM tattoo walked up and just went bam, bam in his chest. So that.

[Ben Davidson]

Yes, but what I'm saying is that's a different guy than the one who's like sneaking around and trying to like.

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't think so. So the, the direct action groups, these are the violent people who show up and fight. The proud boys. If you watch the Portland videos, they wear masks, they go off, they get into street fights. They're the same people who plan the violence. And the same people go out and do sabotage, chaining doors, putting super glue in locks and things like that. The regular people who are screaming the top of their lungs and marching to the street, those are the green actors, meaning a pair of organizers from the direct action group of their, of their cell or whatever they call it, will go flier and tell everybody, hey, we're doing a big march. It's a peaceful protest. They will then have the direct action violence people. These are the people who wear all black, burn things, set fires, smash things, fight people. They, they will crack you in there with a bike lock. That's what they did in Berkeley. The same people who brought makeshift smoke bombs, brought M80s came. One of their guys came with a bike lock and was bashing several people over the head with it. The regular people get invited, are meant to create a mass the police can't handle. And it's, it's designed to indoctrinate so what they'll do is they'll say peaceful protest, everybody come. Then the direct action group has the yellow organizers. These are people who will be in front, in the front line with the cops yelling at them and will be directing the mass. And then the red actors, the red group are usually crowded around in the centers and they'll throw bricks. Throw M80s, throw less so Molotov. We don't see a lot of Molotov Molotovs in the United States. Though it did happen in the George Floyd riots. Or they will directly barricade themselves to buildings. They expect to get arrested. The goal is to create chaos so the, the mass of regular people have no idea what's going on. That's the green zone. It's the biggest. Is to cover up what they're doing. They'll say, hey everybody, wear masks, show up wearing a hoodie in solidarity. That way the police can't identify who the bad actors are. The other reason they do it is that they intentionally will start a fight with the cops. So the cops arrest all these run of the mill college students. That way they go to jail, are terrified. And then while in jail, the cultist far leftist will say, see, aren't cops evil? Look what they're doing to you. You didn't even do anything wrong. You are peacefully protesting. That's unconstitutional. They're fascists. I know. Let's all sing songs together. Not kidding. Literally how they do it. Then they're all singing together. Then when you're. When they're finally being let go, they say, here's my phone number. Call me. Let's hang out. And that's how they indoctrinate young people into their cult. They intentionally get them arrested. They plan. I will say this to all the young people out there. They want you to get arrested. They will instigate a fight with the cops. So the cops arrest you and then look you in the eyes and say, look how evil they are for doing this. That's the, that's the game they play. We're gonna go to super chats. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. How about this for my birthday? Go to Timcast premium.com and sign up for Rumble Premium using promo code TIM10 and watch the uncensored members only call in show and also go to timcast.com click join us. Download Discord. Get involved in the discord server. Over 20,000 people. Don't just be a passive listener, which is fine. I'm not trying to drag You. But you can be an active participant in the world, in the news by joining in and having these conversations. And before you know it, you might find yourself working with one of these big shows, being on a podcast. The culture war show is being set up. And maybe you, as a member of the Discord will be sitting here at this table debating Phil and Shane and me and who knows, who knows who else. We wanted to get Luke Beasley and Enrique Atario because he had those choice words about him. He has refused.

[Shane Cashman]

Luke refused, I take it?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, Luke refused. Oh, yeah. Enrique's like, I'll talk to anybody. But Luke said, no, that's a bummer. I don't think Luke actually has the capabilities to actually talk with the J6ER.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So we said, well, maybe is there any other subject you'd be willing to talk about? Because we'd still like to have a debate. But it is funny to me that these leftists will never do it. They run and they hide. Conservatives won't stop banging on the door telling us, hey, let us in. We want to come on the show. Liberals are like, no, wait, we can't. We can't handle Google. You bring. You bring like Kyle Kalinsky on here. You sit him in that chair and like, I'll be like, kyle, I won't debate you. I'll just Google search what you're saying. And what do you find? Everything he's saying is wrong. Okay, not everything, but a lot of it. And you're like, that's weird. Google says something else. I ain't gonna debate you. I'll just Google it. Anyway, let's grab some super chats. Let's go. Greg Cutler says, I super chatted 100 bucks last year suggesting Ben Davidson as a guest fulfilled. Sweet. Epic. Andre says, no Rumble stream. We are live on rumble, baby. Nearly 20, 000 viewers on rumble. 40, 000 on YouTube. Look at that. Rumble's getting big. Philosopher Stone says, hypothetical question for you guys. If you had to delete either pizza or video games from the earth forever, which would you choose?

[Shane Cashman]

Video games.

[Ben Davidson]

Video games.

[Tim Pool]

Not, unfortunately, pizza.

[Ben Davidson]

Video games.

[Tim Pool]

Well, pizza is largely an unhealthy, high, high carb food, and it is delicious if made right. The the question then becomes, pizza is a nebulous description. Do you mean just like a New York style cheese? Are we talking about like an Italian focaccia with zucchini deep dish?

[Ben Davidson]

All flatbreads?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, all flatbreads. What if it's just like bread with olive oil and mozzarella slices? Yeah, Right, so. So if you're just basically saying New York style, as we know, like Papa John's, Domino's Pizza all gone, I say pizza is bad for you. And the important thing is video games may be and it's not. It's not like I want to ban pizza. I'd like both of them to exist. But video games are actually really good for keeping the mind sharp, for hand eye coordination. And we've already seen that many of the people who are physically fit and play video games have shown lower signs of mental aging, which makes sense. So what is it called, Phil? Sarcopenia. Is that it? Age related muscle loss after what, like 30 or something?

[Phil Labonte]

35. I think it's actually after like 40.

[Tim Pool]

40, your muscles just start disappearing. I think for the most part it's. If you lose, if you, if you, if you don't use it, you lose it. The same is true for your brain. So people who play video games, whatever it may be, the other problem I have with video games is that not all video games are like stupid gore, mindless zombie stuff. Civilization's fantastic educational teach kids not the new one Civ 7 everyone hates. But we don't need pizza. You know what I mean? Greasy, heavy carbs, a lot of sugar in the sauce. It's okay. You can make it right if you put like whey in the flour to get it more protein dense maybe. But you know, if I had to make a choice, I'd say video games can be educational.

[Ben Davidson]

So there are some video games like that. I think that just like with the pizza discussion, there could be a more nuanced discussion about video games. Because there are some video games. It does the same thing to your brain as watching pornography. You know, like in terms of like the quick dopamine hit, like dopamine sickness, like rapid.

[Tim Pool]

So does pizza.

[Ben Davidson]

It does.

[Tim Pool]

So that's why it's, it's, it's another thing too is video game is very, very vague as well.

[Ben Davidson]

It is, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So it's like you're talking about like console games and stuff. Like no more Baldur's Gate or whatever.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, Tetris.

[Tim Pool]

But what about Poly Bridge? That game's amazing. Ever played engineering game where it's like there'll be like a little truck and a little car and you. And it's like here's how much wood you have. Build a bridge and then you're trying to design, you know, a bridge. I love. What I love about those games is that I always try to make the worst imaginable structures because sometimes it's easy to like, okay, I can build a suspension bridge and you like, you put two posts, you. Then you secure them. You put wires to the bridge and it holds it up. And I'm like, that's boring. I want to make the weirdest design imaginable that works for some reason.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then you press play. A little car will drive across it. That game is great for kids side kids playing it.

[Ben Davidson]

I think that in middle school, actually.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if they had poly bridge back then.

[Ben Davidson]

They had something like that. It may have been called Bridge Builder back then. I think it was called bridge Builder. I mean, it's like we played it in shop class.

[Phil Labonte]

I just soloed Zero Hour today for the first time. That's a D2 game. I1 D2.

[Tim Pool]

I got a vowed. I am unenthused.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh, drag.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, I've been playing it a little bit, but I just, I'm bored. I don't know. It's like I'm in the first area and I'm just like rolling my eyes, you know.

[Shane Cashman]

Last game I played was Sonic Bald Gate was epic. Sonic. I like Sonic the Hedgehog.

[Tim Pool]

Don't ask if the, the best, the best game I've played in a very, very long time is Baldur's Gate 3. Really just absolutely amazing game.

[Phil Labonte]

Third person adventure, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. RPG turn based. And then Avowed is. I don't know, it's an obsidian game, I think. And you have like an ax and a bow and arrow or whatever. And I'm just like, they're about to. I. I just, I really hate the action oriented first person games. Like if you're gonna make me jump and climb, I don't want to play first person. It's just, it's annoying to play with. With controller.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

Where you like, you're. It's. It's first person, but you have to climb stuff. You don't even know if you can climb and then you fall and you're.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, okay, first person. That's literally the game that I played today. Destiny 2 is first person shooter.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but it's not. It's. But you're not climbing things.

[Phil Labonte]

There's a bunch of platforming and stuff in zero hours.

[Tim Pool]

So Search in Destiny. You have double jumps and triple jumps and you have air dashes and stuff. That's fine. But Avowed is literally jump, climb.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And then if you like jump to the right height, the hands come up and pull automatically. Nah, throw it out. No, I don't like it. Horizon Zero. Dawn's incredible. And Horizon Forbidden West. Big fan. All right, let's go. What do we got here? Anti war. Nobody says, Tim, you should have Louis J. Gomez on the culture war to debate banning pit bulls. They are 20 of the dog population and are responsible for 66 of the fatal attacks.

[Shane Cashman]

Yep, that would be great.

[Tim Pool]

There was a. There's stories like this all the time. There's a woman who had two pit bulls, and there was like, nothing abusive. Everything was normal. They were in the backyard. She walked outside. They killed her. She did. And. And they were just like, we don't know why.

[Ben Davidson]

Like, you guys understand why some people don't want to have the conversation about a certain segment of a species being a problem and needing to be gotten rid of. You understand why humans don't want to have that conversation, right?

[Tim Pool]

Well, because humans are thinking individuals who can make rational thought. And wild animals are different. And animals are very different. So that's why when people are like, oh, we're going to compare dogs to race, like, well, you can't, because you, you, you. It's just not. It's not real. You there. There's too many factors in human populations. Here's an example. Everyone goes to what they call the 1350. You know, they say in the United States, despite making up 13 of the population, the response, the, you know, black population is responsible for 50 of violent crimes. And it's just like the things that are attached to that are so spattered and wild that you can't get accurate data. Data sets. For instance, you can't compare Somalis to Haitians. They're two different, distinct ethnic groups, and they have different heights, they have different average weights and completely different crime rates, but they're both considered black. So the issue with the United States that people try to bring this up is it's like, well, you can't do that. I can't stand the race realists because they're like, look, man, the history of the United States, the ethnic differences in backgrounds between all different people, it is more likely in the short term socioeconomic factors and cultural issues. Chicago's violent crime, which is heavily racialized, is totally cultural and not racial. That's why there are white people in that. In a minority, in a black neighborhood that are still part of the gangs and shooting people, although they're likely gonna, you know, get targeted for gang violence because race does play a role. But anyway, long story short is I always just say, like, you can't look at the wealthy Nigerians who immigrated the United States and have extremely low rates of violent crime, extremely high incomes, and then say it's a race thing because it's like, I mean, maybe there's a component of it, but it is very different than like dogs who were bred specifically to be violent, you know what I mean? Or to fight in pits.

[Ben Davidson]

I mean, I, I think one could make the argument, I would say that one could make the argument that evolution did the training.

[Tim Pool]

So, like, like I said, if you say Asian, for instance, what does that mean? And so in the United States, it means Southeast Asian, but not Indian or Middle Eastern. If you go to the uk, you say Asian, people typically think China, Japan, even though they're totally forgetting, like, you know, famously with King Hill, Laos or Vietnam. But in the media and in their government, they mean people from India and they mean literally the Asian entire continent, which includes Russians.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So the problem with the argument then becomes, well, of course we recognize evolution set certain characteristics through genetics with various people. The Scandinavians were ruthlessly violent for some period, and now they're dainty, still very tall, but very weak and effeminate, which is kind of funny. But then once again, Scandinavians and Ukrainians are very different people, despite both being white. You're going to find different crime rates among these different groups. Ukraine crime is extremely high. Swedish crime is extremely low. But they're both white. So we're not going to say white is the underlying factor. That, that, that's the challenge I have with the race realists is they're like all white people as a single group is like, I don't know, man, why don't you go take a look at Northern Ireland and see the crime there and like, you know what I mean? And then, you know, it's, I, I don't think I, I, I, I'm sort of the middle of the road on this one. The race realists largely are like, race is deterministic. I think nature and nurture is both 50 50. So there have been a bunch of studies on this one, obviously Charles Murray and the Bell Curve is like taboo for a while. Chat GPT wouldn about it.

[Phil Labonte]

Unreal.

[Tim Pool]

But I think, I think nurture largely overwhelms nature, though nature plays a significant role. So anyway, but we only, we don't need to harp on that. We can talk a bit more about the uncensored. I don't want to have one super one rumble rant hog the entire conversation. All right, let's go. Rue actual says, but rolling Afghanistan would have been really bad optics and bad for profit. Margins, perhaps. K. Daniel says, I'm making a picture of Metallica, but Every member is. J.D. vance. Bless you. Bless you for doing so. We appreciate.

[Shane Cashman]

I think I saw a pantera of all JD Vance today.

[Tim Pool]

Doug DiMadome says 19 hertz is the ghost frequency. They did a study where a band played for three days and on random songs they played a 19 Hz undertone. People reported feeling uneasy or spine tingling during it. I've heard a lot of stories where they, you know, like universities did studies with ultra low frequencies and they would put people in like dark stairway corridors and then blast it. Then people felt like it was haunted, you know. And what about the. The magnet helmet that make people felt God?

[Shane Cashman]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

About that one.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They put a giant helmet on people with like magnets and then blasted their brains with super powerful magnets. And they said they felt the presence of God but wouldn't. Like, couldn't you rip the iron out of someone's skull or something?

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, that sounds out of their blood. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Not.

[Phil Labonte]

I think the, I think the actual, like you have a very, very, very small amount of iron in your blood. I mean, it's there, but it's very small amount.

[Tim Pool]

Did you ever take a magnet to a bowl of cereal? You can literally pull the iron out of it.

[Phil Labonte]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

I want to try that now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, get like some corn flakes or frosted Flakes on them. Like Google it because it's probably a better cereal. And you run a big magnet around it and you'll see the iron start to pull off the. Yep. Because they put nutritional iron in fortified, I believe it's called. What have we here? Skin says between January 21st of 25 and March 11th, there have been approximately 52 to 54 plane crashes in the US compared to about 87 for the same time period in 2021 from Grok. But the question is what kind of plane crashes? What kind are the planes slamming to the ground and flipping over with tons of injuries or deaths? Or is it like the plane lands the busted gear and everyone's fine and no one really talks about it? So my, my bigger concern is that at some point a plane may have a landing gear break off and the landing gear will then flow through a time stream and land on a house of a bedroom of a kid who just so happened to have gotten out of bed because a. A weird rabbit told him in the middle of the night and lured him out of his bed into the street.

[Shane Cashman]

Great soundtrack.

[Tim Pool]

It's the best Soundtrack.

[Shane Cashman]

Great soundtrack.

[Tim Pool]

You know, they had an alternative soundtrack to that. It was not good.

[Shane Cashman]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ben Davidson]

Huh.

[Tim Pool]

And then they were like, let's just do 80s music. And it was the best soundtrack. Donnie Darko was the reference, if anyone understands what the movie's about. It's about a time loop that he decides to break by dying.

[Shane Cashman]

So as one does.

[Tim Pool]

And so a landing gear crashes in their house and they have no idea where it came from. Because when the plane was hitting turbulence, I think the plane crashes too, right?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know if the plane crashes. I just remember the thing falling.

[Tim Pool]

The gear gets sucked through a time through a wormhole and then lands on his house. And they're like, no plane lost a gear. Where did this come from? But he. He sees the ghost of the rabbit he killed who tells him to leave his house, and then he's gonna die in a month or something. A weird movie. It's great, though.

[Shane Cashman]

It's a great movie.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we enjoy watching it. Jake Gyllenhaerant.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. And his sister Maggie.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's right. And. And who else in it that. What's her face? Who's in the Hunger Games?

[Shane Cashman]

I don't remember.

[Tim Pool]

I can't.

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, it's before her. Oh, he said Jennifer Lawrence, but I think it's. She was too young at that point.

[Ben Davidson]

Possibly.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Unless she traveled.

[Tim Pool]

This is 2000. No, it's Jenna Malone.

[Shane Cashman]

There you go.

[Phil Labonte]

Hunger Games as well.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. All right. Weather world says Tim. The magnetic poles are always shifting on a 23.5 degree wobble. Current location is 85.762 North, 139.298 East. The polar flip is the problem. Oh, I agree. That is the problem. So we'll talk a little bit about that. I suppose, you know, everyone's gonna die or something. We're all gonna go live underground with the moles in holes.

[Ben Davidson]

I hope that doesn't sound very fun.

[Phil Labonte]

No, it sounds like it sucks.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Miserable. I don't know. It depends on how big the underground city could be. Cornelius says Ben, do you think the pole shifts could be the catalyst that causes Yellowstone caldera to erupt? I'm no geologist, but it seems to me that the past eruptions line up with past pole shifts.

[Ben Davidson]

I couldn't disagree more.

[Tim Pool]

You think it will not affect.

[Ben Davidson]

No. The last. The last geomagnetic excursion was 6,000 years ago. Before that, 12,000, 18,000, 24,000. 30,000, 36,000. 42,000, 48,000. Yellowstone is not erupted enough.

[Tim Pool]

When was the last shift?

[Ben Davidson]

The last magnetic pole shift. Yeah, 6,000 years ago.

[Tim Pool]

So it's every 12,000 years or so.

[Ben Davidson]

Basically, there's a mini version every 6,000 years, but every other one is really bad.

[Tim Pool]

So we're looking for the one coming.

[Ben Davidson]

Now is really bad.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's the big. So 6,000 years ago was the Mini.

[Ben Davidson]

Yeah, 6,000 years ago, what Noah endured was the Mini.

[Tim Pool]

Ah, gotta build an arc. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that, like, button? Share the show. And yesterday was my birthday. If you want to give me a present, you can go to rumble.com timcast IRL and watch the uncensored show. Sign up for Rumble Premium using promo code TIM10. And if you want to call into the show, go to timcast.com join the Discord server. Get active. Be a part of this great culture war. We need you. Because who knows, you could be sitting there twiddling your thumbs watching the show, saying, hey, look, man, I work all day. And then one day you say but a single sentence in the Discord. And everyone goes, we never thought of that because you were never there. And then all of a sudden, everyone realizes something changes the world. It could be you. You can follow me on Accent Instagram at Tim Castle. Ben, do you want to shout anything out?

[Ben Davidson]

Come find me every single day. Space weather news on YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Shane Cashman]

You can find me at Shane Cashman everywhere online. And the show is Inverted world live on YouTube and rumble every Sunday at 6 o'clock.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. I'm Phil that Remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. We put out our new record on January 31st. It's called Antifragile. You can check it out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, we have a quick correction that that Atlantic article about J.D. vance.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

The writer is not Ali. It's Ali. It's a man.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

Oh. Effeminate men. All right, everybody, we will see you all over on the uncensored [e-mail] Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds. Thanks for hanging out, SA.