DOJ & FBI LAWYERING UP In Fear Of Trump And Gaetz Prosecutions w/Andrew Wilson

Summary

Timcast IRL: November 19, 2024 – Detailed Summary

Introduction In the November 19, 2024 episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool engages in a robust discussion with guests Andrew Wilson, Raymond, and Phil Labonte. The conversation delves into pressing political issues, media dynamics, and societal trends, offering listeners insightful analysis from an independent perspective.

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1. DOJ and FBI Anticipate Prosecutions Under Trump Administration

Tim Pool initiates the episode by addressing reports that Department of Justice (DOJ) and FBI officials are preparing for potential criminal prosecutions spearheaded by Attorney General Matt Gaetz and Donald Trump. This development has sparked debate across political spectrums.

• Tim Pool [00:07]: "The right believes many of these individuals actually committed crimes and with these investigations will likely prove it."

• Andrew Wilson [05:17]: "They expected that. But the choice of Gates has sharply increased the sense of alarm."

Pool emphasizes that the right-wing perspective views these investigations as a form of retribution or accountability rather than mere revenge. The appointment of Matt Gaetz, a staunch Trump ally, as Attorney General has heightened concerns among DOJ officials about targeted investigations.

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2. Media Landscape and Decline of Mainstream Networks

The discussion shifts to the declining ratings and influence of mainstream media outlets like MSNBC and CNN. Pool highlights how these networks, once dominant in political discourse, are now struggling with reduced viewership and credibility.

• Tim Pool [32:28]: "After 2020, they could lean into it as well. But Trump kind of dipped out for a couple of years... Now Trump wins the popular vote, and now they're like, okay, we don't want to be the minority market share on this one."

Andrew Wilson and Phil Labonte concur, noting that the overemphasis on anti-Trump sentiment has alienated audiences, leading to layoffs and strategic shifts within these media organizations. The guests argue that this decline presents an opportunity for independent platforms like Timcast IRL to fill the void.

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3. Social Media Platforms and Deplatforming Left-Wing Content Creators

A significant portion of the conversation addresses the challenges faced by left-wing content creators on platforms like Twitch and YouTube. The guests discuss the phenomenon of "deplatforming" and its impact on free speech and content diversity.

• Phil Labonte [86:00]: "They want to have the pool of viewership and the pool of cash."

• Andrew Wilson [90:08]: "He has never been an intelligent entertainer ever. He's always been dumb."

The panel critiques the moderation policies of these platforms, asserting that biased enforcement against right-wing voices stifles legitimate discourse. They highlight instances where creators like Destiny and Hasan Piker have faced bans despite advocating for their views, framing it as a broader issue of media censorship.

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4. Election Integrity and Potential Legal Actions

Returning to political matters, Pool and his guests examine the integrity of recent elections, focusing on Pennsylvania's Senate race recount and allegations of ballot tampering.

• Tim Pool [60:35]: "Once you get once, you're like, why is that such a foreign concept to be. It's like, once, yeah, arrest them."

• Andrew Wilson [62:04]: "He's looking to drain the swamp."

The discussion revolves around the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's directives to exclude ineligible ballots and the broader implications for electoral integrity. The guests advocate for stringent legal actions against perceived election improprieties, emphasizing the need for accountability within the justice system.

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5. Corporate Tax Policies and Economic Implications

The conversation also delves into the ramifications of corporate tax rates on consumer prices and economic behavior.

• Tim Pool [100:13]: "It depends on the company. Yes."

• Andrew Wilson [101:38]: "That's the primary way that that's done. Well, up the cost of the good."

Pool explains how changes in corporate tax rates impact the pricing strategies of businesses, arguing that higher taxes lead to increased consumer costs as companies pass on the tax burden to customers. The guests discuss the entitlement of corporations to prioritize shareholder profits, often at the expense of broader economic fairness.

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6. Dietary Choices and Public Health

In a lighter yet pertinent segment, the hosts touch upon public health concerns related to diet, food additives, and the rise of restrictive eating plans like the carnivore diet.

• Tim Pool [77:49]: "This is what pisses me off. Apparently, the food company said when they removed these dyes, people didn't want to buy them anymore."

• Andrew Wilson [85:32]: "These food chemists, do they go in and take these foods, they add additives which do that."

The panel critiques the prevalence of artificial additives in food products, advocating for more transparency and healthier alternatives. They highlight personal anecdotes of navigating food choices amidst widespread industrial food practices.

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7. Future of Timcast IRL and Monetization Strategies

As the episode progresses, Pool discusses the show's growth and upcoming strategies to sustain and expand their operations without relying heavily on traditional advertising.

• Tim Pool [106:05]: "We need to hire a CEO and executive management team to do all the work."

The conversation outlines potential paths for financial sustainability, including strategic investments and ad sales, while maintaining the show's independent and uncensored ethos.

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Conclusion

The November 19 episode of Timcast IRL presents a thorough exploration of the intersection between politics, media, and societal issues from a right-leaning perspective. Tim Pool and his guests advocate for accountability within governmental institutions, critique mainstream media biases, and call for greater transparency in corporate and public health practices. The episode underscores the show's commitment to providing independent analysis amidst a polarized media landscape.

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Notable Quotes:

• Tim Pool [00:07]: "Donald Trump shows up to UFC 309. Thunderous applause. Everybody's cheering."

• Phil Labonte [37:09]: "It's like a swim. It's like a box of rocks. This guy is so stupid."

• Andrew Wilson [05:17]: "They did nothing wrong, if they follow all the rules like they're supposed to, then they should have nothing to worry about."

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and viewpoints presented in the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for listeners and non-listeners alike.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

So the latest reporting is that DOJ and FBI officials have begun lawyering up in anticipation of Matt Gates and Donald Trump targeting them for criminal prosecution. Of course, the left is taking this as it's Donald Trump's revenge and the right is saying it's Donald Trump's revenge. The thing is, the right believes many of these individuals actually committed crimes and with these investigations will likely prove it. And I think that's fair to say. So we'll talk about that. Plus good fun. Donald Trump shows up to UFC 309. Thunderous applause. Everybody's cheering. Mike Johnson's there. You had RFK Jr. I think RK Jr. Was there. You got Elon, but they were on the plane. Everybody was cheering for this. And it shows you that we're back, baby. You got Jon Jones doing the Trump shimmy. You got football players doing the Trump shimmy. No more dropping to their knees in fear of some cult ideology. It's a good time to be alive, I must say. And then we got a bunch of other stuff. World War 3 may be on the horizon, which is Ukraine is now authorized to use these long range missiles into Russian territory. And Sweden has actually started issuing pamphlets warning their citizenry of what to do in nuclear war because they issue them periodically and they do fear there is war coming. So we'll talk about all that stuff. Plus we got a funny story. Joe Scarborough and Micah from Morning Joe. They met with Donald Trump. Yeah, that's right. They met with Hitler, I guess because they want to make amends and open lines of communication. Yeah, it's because their ratings were 28,000 in the key demo over the weekend, so they know they're irrelevant. Cast Brew coffee is where we sponsor ourselves. Buy our coffee. It's delicious coffee. I recommend stand to your grounds. One of the favorites. One of the favorites. But we also, we sell a lot of Appalachian nights. Everybody really loves that one. It's a darker roast and I use that one for my espresso. So if you want to make espresso, that's the go to. And then of course head over to timcast.com click join us, become a member and join our Discord server. Join the movement. Many people are asking how to get involved and well, get in the Discord server, meet people. There's meetups, there's pre shows, there's after shows. Totally worth it. And as a member, you are supporting the work that we do. We also have members only uncensored shows. That'll be tonight at 10pm you don't want to miss it not so family friendly but always fun and funny. So smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Andrew Wilson.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hey, what's going on, Tim? How you doing?

[Tim Pool]

I'm doing well. How about you?

[Andrew Wilson]

I don't know. I can't get this mic right. There we go. I think, I think I got it right.

[Tim Pool]

You got it?

[Andrew Wilson]

I think I got it.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of the one and only Crucible. It's a popular Entertainment platform on YouTube. I'm a political analyst, political satirist. You've probably seen me on the whatever podcast with Brian Atlas and that's what I do.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Well, thanks for that. Should be fun. We got Raymond hanging out. Hey, everybody.

[Raymond]

Raymond here, resident blue collar here at TMG. I look forward to talking with Mr. Andrew Wilson because I enjoy him and Rachel's commentary.

[Tim Pool]

Mr. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal and all that remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Let's go, let's roll.

[Tim Pool]

From NBC News. You know him, you love them. DOJ and FBI officials reach out to lawyers as pot Trump revenge prosecutions loom. Oh, they have to put revenge. I'm totally fine with that. I'd rather say retribution and accountability. Legal experts say Trump's choice for Attorney General, Matt Gates signals the president elects determination to tightly control the Justice Department and prosecute adversaries or criminals. Multiple current and former senior DOJ and FBI officials have begun reaching out to lawyers in anticipation of being criminally investigated by the Trump administration, according to three people with knowledge of their deliberations. Now, I just want to pause because, you know, I said this a couple months ago. I said when Donald Trump gets in, he should launch his investigations. And it is, it feels good to see that my sentiment was not unique to me that there are many people who agree. They say following Trump's decisive election victory, many just department, Justice Department officials and career staffers were already nervous about the possibility they would be targeted by Trump loyalists, particularly members of Congress. But the selection of former Rep. Matt Gates, a firebrand Trump ally who is subject of a recent FBI investigation to lead the department has sharply increased the sense of alarm, the sources say. I'm glad to hear it. Let's, let's play the. Let's roll tape. A sense of alarm is building among.

[Andrew Wilson]

Officials at the Justice Department and the.

[Tim Pool]

FBI who are Bracing for possible revenge prosecutions from the incoming Trump administration. NBC News reports that some civil servants who work on a government salary have proactively reached out to lawyers. That's according to three people with knowledge of their deliberations. They're worried about the effect of long and costly legal battles. Joining me here in studio, NBC News Senior Executive Editor for National Security, David Rhode, who reported this story. Also with is Glenn Kershner, a former federal prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst. It's good to have you here, David. A lot of DOJ staffers we had been hearing and you had been reporting were saying there was some nervousness about what might happen, about, frankly, what has been said about the plans for going after people who they felt unfairly went after them. But how has the choice of Matt Gates changed the equation? Or has it?

[Andrew Wilson]

It has, and that's the difference. There was worry about congressional investigations.

[Tim Pool]

They expected that. But the choice of Gates, which was.

[Andrew Wilson]

I think, a real surprise to many people inside the doj.

[Tim Pool]

Me, too. You know, everywhere. Everywhere. Yes. That he, you know, he's a lawyer, but he's had no experience prosecuting cases. But most of all, he is a firebrand loyalist, a very vocal supporter of President Trump. And it's seen by people as a choice.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's someone who trusts who Trump trusts and someone who, given the ethics investigation.

[Tim Pool]

Sort of owes Trump. Trump is sort of protecting him by giving him this new job just before.

[Andrew Wilson]

The extra ethics report comes out.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Well, you know what? They deserve to be investigated, and I'm looking forward to it. I think Matt Gaetz was the best choice. I didn't see it coming. And when they announced it, I was yelling and we bought champagne and celebrated.

[Phil Labonte]

We did.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Raymond]

It's a very exciting time right now, getting Matt Gates in there.

[Tim Pool]

And if we get him in there.

[Raymond]

Well, right. If these people are. They did nothing wrong, if they follow all the rules like they're supposed to, then they should have nothing to worry about when it comes to legal counsel.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's exactly what the left says. Of course, we know that's not really how the law works. The procedure is the punishment. But that's too bad. They want to wage law fair against Donald Trump. They want to do these false criminal charges. I guess now we're going to have to just say each and every one of them was investigated for whatever it is they get investigated for. I made the half joke on X that I was going to start hiring investigators to go up to journalists for silly. For wacky reasons so that I could Then say this person has been investigated for. Insert whatever. Yeah, that's what they're doing to Matt Gaetz.

[Raymond]

Allegedly. That's like, if you could just.

[Tim Pool]

To say they allegedly did it. No, I'm saying investigations are worse than allegations.

[Raymond]

Well, right, but you could do both.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm saying if you say someone was alleged to have done something, nobody cares. It's like, it's. Sure. If I say they were actually investigated for, you know, cheating on their wife or something like that, then it's like, whoa, investigated for it. Yeah, look at that. And you know, we can investigate anybody for any reason we want. So I can just hire a private investigator and say, I want you to investigate. I don't know, insert liberal pundit for. For wire fraud. I don't know. It's a private investigation. Like, maybe, maybe you'll find something, huh?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, it doesn't really matter what they actually find or. Well, I mean, I guess it does, but. It does. The point isn't about, like actually finding any kind of illegality. The point is smear. Like, the whole reason they're bringing this up and talking about it is they want to smear him. If this were someone on the Democrat side, they'd be, they would, they would be downplaying the allegations. They'd be like, oh, well, the DOJ looked into it. They'd be saying all truthful things like, DOJ looked into it. They didn't prosecute. You know, it's not something the, the witness wasn't credible, et cetera, et cetera. This isn't about whether or not they, they care. It's about sliming Matt. Matt Gates. And as for whether or not he should go after people, if you've broken the law, he, you should be invest. If, if there's evidence that you broken, that you've broken the law, you should be investigated. And then if you, if you're found to be, you know, if there is enough evidence, you should be prosecuted. That's not some kind of ridiculous far right wing perspective.

[Andrew Wilson]

Get revenge. I mean, honestly, get revenge. It's time. I'm actually kind of tired of the fact that when the Democrats get in, they're like, okay, well, these guys are all lawbreakers. We're gonna endlessly investigate them. We're gonna throw every phony baloney accusation we possibly can at them. And then when Republicans get power like last time, Trump said, no, let's do the peaceful thing, let's do the loving thing, let's do that. It didn't work out. No, it didn't work out. They need to go after him. There's a lot of the American electorate who believe that there are traitors inside of the FBI, that there are traitors, and that Democrats have acted in a treasonous manner.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, look, what you're. Nothing that you're talking about is. Says that you should go after people that haven't broken the law or that aren't treasonous. And I'm.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think anybody's treasonous, though. I think this was the discussion we had with Laura Loomer.

[Phil Labonte]

Seditious.

[Tim Pool]

Seditious, yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Seeking to undermine the government or undermine it from within. Treason is providing aid to an enemy, particularly a time of war.

[Phil Labonte]

So fair enough. I don't think there's any kind of. There's no. At least. I personally don't have any problem with. With finding people that are seditious and accusing them of, you know, punishing them for seditious behavior or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

That.

[Phil Labonte]

That's fine with me, but I don't think that. I don't think we should be trying to create conditions. We shouldn't be doing what the FBI was doing, trying to get. Trying to entrap people and trying to create a situation. Because I agree with you. There's plenty of evidence that there is seditious behavior in multiple levels of government.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, well, the thing is, you're right. For the purpose of the semantic distinction, I think when the average person thinks of treason. Right. They're not.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. They're not thinking of it in terms of, you know, it has to be during wartime or this type of thing. But I agree with you. Right. So seditious. I do think that there has been a lot of seditious activity. I do think I would even consider treasonous activity towards President Trump, for sure. And I think I would love to actually see him once. Once Gates is in as the aggressive. Why not go back and revisit what happened during the former election?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, everything.

[Andrew Wilson]

Why not go back and take a look at why this guy, you know, ended up with millions and millions more votes than Kamala ended up with. I would like to see an actual investigation launched on that.

[Tim Pool]

I think, you know. Yeah, I'm of two minds. I think. Absolutely. Because the American people will want some kind of resolution. But I think that in terms of the efforts, they should just be. And I don't know that Republicans are gonna do this, but proof of citizenship passed immediately for voting in federal elections. Just. Boom, instantly. And mass deportations. I mean, that solves Most of the problems and then you need. So that's Trump in general, Republicans. But what Matt Gaetz can do. It's gonna be tough going back and relitigating the 2020 election. All that stuff is a big. It's a heavy lift that I lean towards. We want answers. And I am not of the opinion that there were servers and satellites and all that other conspiracy mumbo jumbo. I think that we experience a standalone complex. I think many different people played a different role independent of themselves. But that being said, Matt Gaetz needs to launch civil rights conspiracy against rights investigations into Georgia, Fani Willis, into Letitia James, into Alvin Bragg. He should be looking into what these states were doing with COVID with the, with the elderly patients who were put in the nursing homes and died. I want to see first and foremost, Matt Gaetz go after New York. These fake felony charges should be investigated. The federal level conspiracy against rights, the fake civil rights charge, the fake sexual abuse claims that we cannot tolerate as a country. The fact that they're dropping these things, that Mershon is likely to drop them, or at the federal level, they're dropping these charges. I mean, look at this. They're saying, oh, it's revenge. Matt Gaetz is going to go after these people. Jack Smith's dropping the, he's dropping the investigations. They're walking away. The moment it's elected, they're backing off. Mershon is expected to drop the charges in New York even though he's already convicted because it was all fake. This country cannot survive unless we have a legal system that says you can't do that and you go to prison for breaking the law.

[Andrew Wilson]

But don't you also, like. I would like to see the pardons of Everybody involved in January 6th.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

I would like to see commutations and pardons. I would like to see them all, anybody who's still in jail released. And yes, I do want the people who put them there investigated. I do. I want them investigated. I want them tried. And if it turns out that they were throwing American citizens who went to this protest in prison and locking them away without actual due process, which is what we're now being told has happened multiple times. Yeah, they need to go to prison.

[Tim Pool]

You know, but the game for the longest time was that the machine didn't go after itself. So Donald Trump gets in and now all of a sudden they're looking at real accountability and they're going to lie.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so you're going to get these liberal. This is the challenge. Because no Matter what happens, either the Democrats will abuse power, and if the Republicans try in any way to get accountability, they will claim this is proof Trump's a fascist and is doing everything they claimed.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There's no off ramp on this because it's revenge.

[Andrew Wilson]

I mean, the thing, the thing is, though, is there. There really is no way for you not to make it appear that it's not. There's no way. Right. Because in many ways it is a reaction. You've pulled the rubber band back so far and it snapped and it's like, look, we really don't have a choice at this point.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

Many of these things got to be investigated and people were. People have been so irate, especially the fallout. January6, you see these liberals, crazy, insane leftists like Destiny, saying, lock them away, throw away the key. You'll watch them during these multiple assassination attempts, say, hey, the guy deserved it. This kind of thing, the rhetoric and the push by the Democrat machine to imprison anybody who dissents against them. Yeah, yeah. Investigate the shit out of them. Yes.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. I think that, I think that that's necessary to restore, like, your average American's faith in the Justice Department. If people pay attention to the news, if they watch the. And I'm not talking about to the legacy media, I'm talking about, like, if they're looking into the actual events like that happened with the Trump trial in New York, the 34 felony charges. Farce, total farce that they've created. If you look at those. And the problem is that your average person is aware that the Justice Department is completely and totally corrupted. And it's not just the federal Justice Department, it's at the state level. Because obviously Letitia James in New York goes after Donald Trump. She's not, you know, it's not a federal thing, it's a state level thing. So.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, and. But they do it. They collude on purpose to do this.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

So that they know that he can't have federal immunity. So we'll do it at the state level.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

That way it sticks. That is, by the way, I think that that's a conspiracy. I think that that should be investigated for a conspiracy.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, to be honest with you, like that. That it might be a conspiracy that goes through the whole Democrat Party, like the DNC itself. But anyways, my point being the average person's faith in the justice system has been significantly shaken. You know, like, if you want people to trust that their, that their justice system actually does behave in an unbiased way, you have to go and root out the people that are corrupt. Getting rid of corruption is not partisan. That's not, I don't care if it's, if it, that it'll look partisan and there will be people crying partisanship. But getting rid of corrupt people in the government, that's nonpartisan and it shouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

Just doesn't matter anymore.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but to Tim's point, Tim says, and he's right, right. He says, but if you go after him, no matter what, it's gonna appear like revenge. And so which is fine.

[Tim Pool]

It's like it doesn't matter.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, it doesn't matter. So it's like, well then lean into it and say, yeah, it is revenge fuckers. I mean, I don't, I mean lean into it.

[Phil Labonte]

I personally, I think that there are. That, that's unnecessary. I go. Go after them as hard as you can. Go after the people that, that are, that have, that are. If there's corruption, get the corruption, root them out 100%. Root out the corrupt and don't say, oh well, we want to be nice to people. So that way in the future. No, no, no, no. If you want to prevent corruption, what you do is you put the corrupt people in jail until they are too old to do anything.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to read a super chat which we normally save to them, but this is a good one. And it's Austin Pearson says, I was a bought in lefty until 2022 realizing CNN lied about Rogan looking gray with their edited video shown to me by Timcast helped me see the reality of the left's lies. I can't thank you enough. I appreciate it. But that's why we don't say it's revenge, because it's not revenge. It is accountability under the law. They're going to scream and cry revenge and we're going to say every step of the way these people broke the law.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And they will weaponize that. But my point, and when I say it doesn't matter anymore is they're going to say it no matter what you do. But we have to do it, otherwise this country can't survive.

[Andrew Wilson]

But we always optics war still there though. Like I might, I might have agreed with you.

[Tim Pool]

That was the point why he's just said because even, you know, even this past election, 2022 was a slight move forward for the Republicans in the House. But then we got the House, the Senate and the presidency in 2024. Because people are actually starting to be like, well, it's a combination of things. It's not just that they're waking up and coming over to the right side of history. It's that many of these people, like Joe Scarborough and Michael Brzezinski is a good example. I'll pull this up in a second. They are fair weather political pundits. Their politics are whatever they think. Let me see if I can actually.

[Andrew Wilson]

But to the point, specifically, on optics, when you're talking about optics, there used to be this kind of political kabuki where optics did matter a significant amount. With Trump, it doesn't seem like the optics matter that much. They paint him in the worst light possible, no matter what. And when this guy was calling women dogs and, you know, fat and everything else, nobody cared. Right. They were like, good. He's right. It almost seems like perhaps, perhaps on the optics front, the American people don't care because they had good optics. The Democrats had good optics this election.

[Tim Pool]

I disagree. Look at the Trump shimmy versus the knee on the ground. The reason why people are feeling comfortable and wearing MAGA hats walking around New York City is because of the popular vote. They now feel like, hey, you know what? I'm not alone. Let me pull the story up, though. This is from Sale Times. Kissing the ring. MSNBC's Morning Joe host meets with Trump to reopen lines of communication. It gets better. Take a look at this. Ana Navarro, furious about Joe Scarborough and Michael Brzezinski's trip to Mar a Lago to see Trump. And now apparently they're getting boycotts. There's calls to boycott their show by all 28 people who watch it. Okay, it's 28,000. But when I showed the ratings, which are by thousand, it said Joe said Morning Joe 28. And I was like, only 28,000 viewers in the key demo. And everyone responded with, are you sure it's not just 28? So this is what they're being accused of. They have this clip where they said, obviously we disagree with Donald Trump, but we decided, we got to do something different. We're going to go talk to him. That's too late. These people have gone so insane. MSNBC's ratings are gone. Comcast is talking about getting rid of it. CNN's laying people off. The View is trying to hire a pro Trump personality. That's the report that's coming out. This is why I think optics really does matter. There are regular people. I think most people are divided, but I think a default liberal, the average default liberal, is only going along with the left because they think that is the Mainstream. The October 15th deadline has passed. Are you prepared for what's coming? Do you owe back taxes? Are your tax returns still unfiled? Miss the deadline to file for an extension. Now that October 15th is behind us, the IRS may be ramping up enforcement. You could face wage garnishments, frozen bank accounts, or even property seizures if you haven't taken action yet. But there's still hope. Tax Network USA has helped taxpayers save over $1 billion in tax debt and has filed over 10,000 tax returns. They specialize in helping people like you reduce their tax burdens. And they can help you, too. Don't wait any longer. Visit tnusa.com timpool or call 1-800-958-1000 for a free consultation. Their experts will walk you through a few simple questions to see how much you can save. Act now before the IRS takes more aggressive steps. Take control today. Visit tnusa.com/tim pool or call 1-800-958-1000.

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[Tim Pool]

So I was saying before the election, the reason that we have to win the popular vote is so that we can tell every single leftist you're on the wrong side of history.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All of a sudden, now we're seeing Bill Maher comes out and he's like, the left. They make me so mad. Democrats are snooty. It's like, really, Joe? Really, Bill? You were saying Trump couldn't win three weeks ago. Now he's all of a sudden like, I can't believe it. Now you got Seth Moulton coming out after the election saying, look, you know, I'm concerned about a male athlete or former male athlete running over my daughters. And I'm supposed to be afraid to say that he couldn't say it before the election. Here's my favorite is Ezra Klein after the election comes out and says all these people are saying that, you know, when you hear crime is up or the costs are up, that's Fox News. Shut the F up. I live in New York. I talk to people. They are pissed. They are experiencing this and I'm loving it. Ezra, where were you before the election to say these things. They didn't say it because they genuinely believed that the establishment was in control. And so they were going to say whatever they.

[Andrew Wilson]

For good reason. For good reason.

[Tim Pool]

These are. These are the moral cowards who are like, I'm angry, of course, but I'm just going to say whatever they want me to say so I can dodge their ire. Then Trump wins the popular vote. Now all of a sudden, these people are coming out being like, well, Trump was right the whole time. I mean, I was always for Trump.

[Andrew Wilson]

Isn't this. But isn't this the idea of kind of the professional Kabuki putting on the front, of having really good optics? We say the right things, we're politically correct. We do this. The other side says, okay, screw that. They have a complete counter set to this. They're like, nope, we're not following the program. Our memes are not politically correct. We're a lot more brutal. We're a lot meaner. We're not very nice. This kind of thing that seems like it's not optically friendly, yet people move towards that. They move towards that in this election. All of the things that you're kind of framing here with the view and they're clucking and this and that, that was all positive optics. Right. We're nice.

[Tim Pool]

We're saying, I agree and disagree. I think you're right on. You know, the right is more shocking, offensive and edgy, but that is the positive optics. People joking like Dave Chappelle doing the. He did the Chinese Asian joke stereotype. Everybody laughed. That is fun and funny, and that's what we want to do. The left was playing this moral grandstanding of, we will beat you and punish you. And that was scary. People fell in line because they controlled the institution.

[Andrew Wilson]

Right, but that's mainstream optics. Right? Like, that's the idea of mainstream optics. The idea of mainstream optics is don't be offensive. Right. Pander correctly. Look like you have the moral high ground at all times. Be completely affronted by everything everybody says. That seems to have been kind of the mainstream optical game. Even my. My entire lifetime. Trump, I think I feel like he capitulated too much to that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think that's why it broke. Because when once people realized, I don't want to live this way, and other people, like, I read that super chat where the guy says, you know, when he saw the Rogan skin turned gray.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Sort of realize this is all fake.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So my point is, when we come for retribution and accountability.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Retribution, divine. Justice, whatever you want to call it. Not revenge, not an emotional thing. It's a pragmatic thing. People need to know. We maintain that we are morally correct in what we are doing, and it is dispassionate and logical.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So the left threatens you. We'll throw you in the Gulag. Do it or else. And people fall in line. We on the other side say, make your jokes, dude. Be edgy. I don't care. In fact, the right is a mix between people who are more conservatives saying, I don't think anybody should be getting transgender surgeries, and the moderate disaffected liberals saying, well, if you're over 18, do what you want. And this is a coalition, a unity party, and the left is fall in line with us. Abortions till birth. Or else. People were scared and believed that the popular vote was a massive flare in the air, saying, not anymore. The silent. It is no longer a silent majority. The majority doesn't believe these things. What happens is those moral grandstanders like Micah and Joe who are calling Trump Hitler are now all of a sudden turning tail because they're scared of being on the wrong side of history. Yeah, they're still moral cowards. They're still bad people, but at least now they're bending their knee. To where? To our position.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but I mean, if the wind blows the other direction, they'll be right back there. Right. Everybody knows it.

[Tim Pool]

A hundred percent.

[Andrew Wilson]

I. You know, the other thing.

[Tim Pool]

Let's not give them any slack.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, well, no, I understand. And it's tongue in cheek saying, lean into the revenge. The point. The point is. Yeah, it is funny, but the point is to say, yes, they do need to actually push these investigations forward, and they need to do the same thing. They need to tie these Democrats up in the same amount of red tape that they tied Trump up in his first administration. And they prevented him from doing almost anything. He was always under some investigation for some nonsense. There was always some new investigation coming around. Now he has the Department of Justice at his disposal. He perhaps could put the right people in, tie him up the same way. Tie them up with so much red tape they look like a Christmas tree. You know what I mean? Do the same tactics back that they did to you. Now, is that revenge or retribution? Sure, we'll call it retribution.

[Tim Pool]

Accountability.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, accountability. But the thing is, it's like you have to. Unfortunately, you have to play by these tactics because otherwise you will die by them.

[Tim Pool]

I agree. I think the thing I'm concerned about is the left scared everybody away. By being brutal and authoritarian.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so we have to make sure everybody knows freedom's on the other side of the fire. Right. Stop pandering to these people, stop pretending and you can do your thing. And no one over here.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wasn't that the opposite of the messaging? Like their messaging was all these authoritarian right wing fascists are going to come in and this and that, and they're going to take away your right to have an abortion. The ultimate freedom, you know, the superliminal. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And you had the liminal and the subliminal. And the subliminal was speak out of line and we will destroy your life.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, I agree that that was the undercurrent. I do agree with that. That that was the undercurrent. But, you know, abort abortion was the left's big push on freedom. Right. That was their big push on freedom. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't work.

[Andrew Wilson]

And it.

[Tim Pool]

Well, women went more to Trump. Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

It turned out this actually did surprise me. I'm sure it surprised you to an extent as well. It turns out that there's far less women interested in murdering their children as previously advertised.

[Tim Pool]

Well, the joke that I love was women buy milk and eggs more than they get abortions.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They're kind of like. Well, you know, if I'm weighing my.

[Andrew Wilson]

A lot of truth in that.

[Tim Pool]

But, but regardless of what any of us dudes here think, young women under 30 skewed towards Trump by 11 points. There was a shift towards Trump. And then one of my favorite metrics was.

[Andrew Wilson]

You think it's because Kamala was a woman?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I don't know. One of my favorite metrics. Nobody hates women more than women.

[Andrew Wilson]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

The exact same thing. Nobody hates women more than women.

[Tim Pool]

One of my favorite metrics was. No, I forgot where I was going with it now.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, sorry.

[Raymond]

I'm just. I was going to say I agree with these leftist loony liberals.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I'm sorry. I remember now. Sorry, Go for it. That when the exit polling was asked, do you think democracy is under threat in the United States? The, the, the, the plus seven. So the largest bloc was, yes, we do think there was a 7% edge among people who said, yes, there is a threat to democracy in support for Trump. So basically when they kept screaming democracy under threat, most people said, that's right. And it's the law, law fair you are engaged in against Trump and his lawyers.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I. Is there, is there data to show that that's the truth or is that just. Just inference?

[Andrew Wilson]

No, no, that was.

[Tim Pool]

There was a poll that was released after the, during the election where they asked.

[Andrew Wilson]

Democracy was number one on the exit polls. Number two was what the economy. What.

[Phil Labonte]

What I'm saying is there. Is there. Is there any. Is there a poll that delves further into the democracy thing where they're saying no, it is actually the law fair against Trump. Not. Well, people saying no.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's the inference because.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Otherwise, how do you get people thinking democracy is under threat? I better vote for the guy who's threatening it.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, it was because they were going after J. Sixers. It's because they were going to Trump's lawyers. That was crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Raymond]

Which they asked me on YouGov a lot. That was one of the questions. Because I, you know, I love my YouGov polls to participate. And I did say, yes, democracy under threat. Because they didn't ask me why, Phil, but they.

[Tim Pool]

Do you think it is?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, it does seem most likely, and it's pretty clear that the narrative spun by the left just wasn't hitting home with people. It wasn't getting. It wasn't having the effect that they wanted it to.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, if. If they had had Biden, I think they would have done better. I think you're right. Yeah, I think they would have done better. Kamala. The big thing with Kamala, when you say this guy's a threat to democracy. And by the way, here's this candidate that was never democratically put in. Right. Never democratically put in. Just happened to be a part of the ticket. And so we're going to run her anyway. That was an odd. That, that was not a good look for them. That's one. And then two. And. Yeah, and then two. Kamala Harris. And I'll say this right, you can disagree with me if you want. Nobody wanted to listen to that chick's laugh for four years.

[Tim Pool]

Totally.

[Andrew Wilson]

Nobody wanted to.

[Phil Labonte]

I do think that.

[Tim Pool]

I don't want to listen it. To listen to it for 107 days.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, the.

[Phil Labonte]

The Democrats. I don't. I mean, I. He may have done better, but I still don't think that he would have beat Trump because everyone saw the debate and it was clear that Joe Biden was not capable. He was not going to be able to do the job. And I don't, you know, especially considering it's another four years. You know, it wasn't just like, hey, who do you like better for the next, you know, couple weeks or whatever. It's literally, who do you think can run?

[Andrew Wilson]

The really weird thing that happened after that debate. Debate that was Bizarre. Where we went, okay, clearly this guy's out to lunch, right? And they would go, well, Trump looks like he has cognitive decline, too. That was the next. That was the strangest counter narrative that I'd ever seen. I was like, what are you talking about?

[Phil Labonte]

They really leaned into the. I know you are, but what am I? Or, you know, like the. They were just like. It was, it was, well, Trump looks like he's got cognitive line. And then. And then Kamala Harris was like, build that wall, Build that wall. And like, she threw on the mat, you know, Biden put on a MAGA hat. Like, they literally were leaning. Like they just started stealing his policy ideas with the no tax on tips and all that stuff. So I, I do think that that hurt the Democrats as well. So let's, let's jump to this.

[Tim Pool]

We got some. The Daily Mail, Inside Tense, cnn, All Hands call, where CEO warns staff not to obsess over Trump as they face layoffs.

[Raymond]

They have no choice but to obsess over.

[Tim Pool]

They got nothing left. And then AP is going to be slashing 8% of their staff as major news outlets stop buying its content. So over at cn, you think the.

[Andrew Wilson]

Media would be super happy. Right? Like the media used when they were covering Trump and all the Trump outrage and this and that, like, they were doing better than ever.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Not anymore.

[Raymond]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

That's when they had the popular vote. So Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote, and they're like, let's lean into this. More people hate Trump than like him. Yeah, that's the major majority market share. CNN is in a bind. Now. After 2020, they could lean into it as well. But Trump kind of dipped out for a couple of Years after, after 2021, he was not, you know, Ron DeSantis was actually the favorite to win for a period and predict it. Once Trump comes back, they start gleefully, you know, twirling their mustaches. Then Trump wins the popular vote, and now they're like, okay, we don't want to be the minority market share on this one. If they double down and go anti Trump for the next four years, they are. They are intentionally burning down what little they have left.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, what do you think the strategy is then? They're not just going to let the guy govern.

[Tim Pool]

Micah Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough were like, we met with Donald Trump and we're going to open those communications. Because they're like, that's it. Yeah, we're done. MSNBC is dude. On YouTube. They get like 5,000 views. Their key demo ratings are between like 20. It was 22 was their lowest. It was Jen Psaki. She got 22,000. You know what the worst thing in the world is for these people? I mean, could you imagine being Jen Psaki, looking into a camera and knowing that no one is listening? That's. That's MSNBC right now. Well, that.

[Andrew Wilson]

I mean, it's all of them. It's all.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

And why, but what about this? Why did it take the Associated Press so long to call that election? Why?

[Tim Pool]

Which one?

[Andrew Wilson]

This one.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right. Decision, destination.

[Andrew Wilson]

It took for. It took forever. Like, I mean, we knew. Everyone knew. Why won't the AP call it. Why won't the AP call it? Their, their credibility of all of the major news networks is basically dashed. Even the left doesn't seem to like them anymore.

[Tim Pool]

Nope.

[Andrew Wilson]

And so I'm not sure exactly how they make a recovery from this. I think maybe they just don't. Right. Maybe they just don't make a recovery.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think, you know, CNN, with the views they're getting on YouTube, will not be able to afford any of their staff.

[Raymond]

Are they getting more than MSNBC?

[Tim Pool]

They are. CNN gets between like 50 and 150. Yeah, yeah, it's not bad. It's like, it's like mid to large size podcast. So the bigger podcasts may get a lot more than that, I think. You know, for Timcast irl, our segments can vary dramatically like most podcasts. So I don't know, we average on IRL like 80. But some of the clips are like 500. The episodes are usually around 500. Plus we have other platforms. So all in all we get three and a half million on average because we do the average for the ad sales, which is happening now, and then the morning Show, I average 225k per video. So sometimes they're smaller, depending on the news day. Sometimes they're bigger. You scroll through CNN's. It's not bad. Mid to large size podcast. Hey, how much can that really support? You can't, you can't hire Anderson Cooper off those numbers.

[Andrew Wilson]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

He gets 20 million a year.

[Raymond]

Doesn't that lady? What does she work for Kate and Collins, she makes. Is she msnbc?

[Tim Pool]

No, she's cnn.

[Raymond]

She's cnn.

[Tim Pool]

Million bucks. Can you believe that?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Wow. She got a good agent.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I, you know what a Scarborough pretty face. Scarborough, I think is like 5 to 8 million or something. Maybe 8 million.

[Raymond]

Check it out.

[Andrew Wilson]

Or 20,000.

[Tim Pool]

It wasn't always that bad.

[Andrew Wilson]

I know it wasn't. No, but, but it's been getting bad, though.

[Tim Pool]

They get a million among people older than 72.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so five more years, which it's not even about that. There's no way. Look, they get the 72 and up crowd. I think MSNBC is 72. I think Fox is 67. And, like, CNN is 70. Yeah, it's bad. He's.

[Raymond]

He's 8 to 11 per year.

[Tim Pool]

8 to 11. The thing about MSNBC is people stop advertising. Even to those who are alive at a certain age, there's very little to advertise because if you're in a nursing home where you're being taken care of by your family, you're not making these financial decisions anymore.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So Fox is big on reverse mortgages. And it's like an old woman sitting in her house and the guy is yelling at her and he's like, you can get a term loan or whatever.

[Andrew Wilson]

Life alerts.

[Tim Pool]

Little.

[Andrew Wilson]

Little Life alert. Reverse mortgage.

[Tim Pool]

Reverse mortgage.

[Andrew Wilson]

Gold. Gold's the big one, too.

[Tim Pool]

Gold is real big for old folks. Or just gold is actually legit, though.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, Costco did that gold sale and they sold out right away because nobody trusts the state of the economy. But, you know, if that's all they got left is your 80, buy gold. I guess. But here's. Here's the thing. The reverse mortgage ads you see on these channels are basically like, you're gonna die anyway. Take the money now. Yeah, that's brutal. Don't got kids. So what?

[Andrew Wilson]

But I mean, can you blame them? Like, it's true. It is true. Right? It's like, you're gonna die soon. You might as well get the reverse mortgage. But. Yeah, but back to this. Yeah. I mean, we've known that the mainstream media was dying off for a long time. I remember listening back years ago to Mark Dice, and remember he used to talk about this all the time and be like, look, I'm a guy in a kitchen who does better than most of these mainstream media networks. And he was right. He was doing better.

[Tim Pool]

2013, I went to the heads of Vice and I said, we should make a YouTube channel for each personality that you guys have signed as talent. And you should have a producer come in and ask them to shoot a video where they explain the stories they're working on, what the stories are, and you can do those once per day. Hey, what's the latest? And you are going to make bank. And they're like, that's a really good idea. And then never did it. And the reason why, largely because Vice was run by older Gen Xers and young, I think mostly older. Older Gen Xers. And the only thing they cared about was getting a cable contract.

[Raymond]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, this is a company that was born from a physical magazine, and to them it was a cable contract.

[Andrew Wilson]

The guaranteed Gavin's Vice.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, okay.

[Tim Pool]

So he was long gone.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But they were basically like, once we get that cable channel, we got guaranteed revenue. And I was like, in 2013, you should be on YouTube for them. They were kind of like, yeah, we do YouTube. I don't know, whatever. We want cable TV. Because YouTube was small. Now YouTube's everything. And Vice is bankrupt and wiped out. Yeah, they could have done it. They could have had it. They could have had exactly what we're doing right here. And so could ABC News. They don't listen because they're big machines that don't know how to adapt. So now what did they do? You know what? They chased after the short term high. They said, orange man is bad. Run with it. And now Orange man is not bad. He's actually quite popular. Everyone's doing the Trump shimmy, even the NFL, Jon Jones. And now Micah and Joe have no choice. I bet. I bet Joe and Micah sat down and Joe looked at Micah and was like, donald Trump's popular. Who are we talking to? And the producer came in and said, you had 28,000 key demo viewers. You're talking to nobody. And I gotta be honest, Joe, those viewers, hotel lobbies, that's it. So no one listens anymore. He's gonna have to go pro Trump.

[Raymond]

And they dropped so many right after.

[Tim Pool]

He's trying too, because.

[Raymond]

Shoot. Because Monday they called him. Was it right. Next, he's a Jason to Hitler. And then by Friday, they're having lunch with the guy.

[Andrew Wilson]

Look, when you lunch with Hitler.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. When you spend as much time doing exactly what we're talking about, calling him Hitler, calling all the most terrible names that you can come up with and say that he's literally the reincarnation of the worst dictator of the 20th century, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he wins. Not just the electoral college, but wins the popular vote. Smart people are going to recalibrate and you have to say, okay, look, this didn't work. What am I missing right now? I do think that they deserve to be scrutinized. I'm not saying that you should respect.

[Andrew Wilson]

I only see him doubling down, though.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, would Joe and me come in?

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, these dinosaurs may not. But if you look at, if you look at the. These general YouTubers or people like this. Who are now dispensing the news. Right. These are the guys who are now dispensing it. They may use these as sources. They're more. But people are getting. No, they're getting news from all these little tiny little channels everywhere. They might use these as sources, but that's where people are getting it. They're doubling down. They're like, look, yeah, absolutely. Democrats don't need to change anything. This was a fluke. This was a one off report.

[Tim Pool]

All those terrible people.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, your destinies. They are. But they're all idiots, like. And they're feeding. They're feeding the. They're feeding.

[Andrew Wilson]

But why should we expect change from them? If that's what I'm.

[Phil Labonte]

That's not.

[Tim Pool]

Was it you.

[Phil Labonte]

I was making.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if it was you debating destiny, but someone brought up democracy. He. He was saying that Trump was a threat to democracy or something like this. And then someone mentioned if Trump, you know, if Trump wins the popular vote, isn't that democracy?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And he was just like, oh, well, well now is it really about democracy?

[Andrew Wilson]

No.

[Tim Pool]

I wonder. Well, of course I know that. The answer is no. I'm saying he wants to make the argument that it's about democracy only because they won the popular vote and assumed Kamala was gonna win the popular vote.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Bill Maher said Trump can't win. He's not gonna win. Kamala's gonna get the popular vote. At least once they realized that was not true and Trump is the more populate side of popular side of history now. So many of these people are changing their tunes. I doubt Kyle or Pacman or Sam Seed or any of these people. No, Destiny, they're not going to change their tunes because they've embedded themselves in this fringe ideology and hateful rhetoric. They're in trouble, big trouble. Because the advert. What happened with ad pocalypse and cancellation, it's going to start happening to them. It's quite simple.

[Andrew Wilson]

Already happening on Twitch.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right. They're getting banned.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, Banned, Done. Lefties are.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There was a big story recently. Who was the big. The big.

[Andrew Wilson]

They're they're fighting right now with Hasan.

[Tim Pool]

Right, The Twitter ad. Pocalypse.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, the Twitter ad.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, the Twitch.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. Twitch. Twitch, Twitch. Adpocalypse. I mean, the thing is, you see, you see this across the board, the left is getting absolutely demolished on rhetoric. They overplayed their hands. But these create. I'm telling you, none of these newscasters, leftist Newscasters, leftist creators are saying anything other than double down, double down, double down. The TikTok trends that I see when I engage with these TikTok lunatics all over the Internet and I do it all the time, is the same exact thing. Double down, double down, double down, double down. They say Orange man, bad. Trump is bad. Don't. We're not changing anything. They don't seem like they want to change anything.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this from tribune.compk I have no idea what this is. What is this? The express treatment. They say. Asmongold blames Hassan Abi for Twitch's ad pocalypse affecting streamers ad revenue.

[Phil Labonte]

It's actually Destiny's.

[Tim Pool]

Destiny is.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, it's not Destiny himself. It's Destiny's followers because they're going after us.

[Tim Pool]

Let's get the story. They say. Asmongold explained his position during his broadcast, saying, Hasan clearly is one of the biggest proponents of this. I would say he is the main reason he had that. A majority of the examples used in discussions about demonetization on Twitch pertain to Hasanabi. That's Hasan piker. Maybe not 90, maybe not, maybe 80, 70, but it is the majority of all examples in the entire platform. The ad pocalypse refers to a reduction in ad revenue across Twitch, reportedly affecting some creators by as much as 90%. Industry experts, including Devin Nash, have previously linked the issue to polarizing political content on the platform. Hasanabi has faced criticism for his coverage of Middle Eastern conflicts with allegations of promoting anti Semitic rhetoric. US Congressman Richie Torres even cited Hassan Piker in a congressional letter accusing Twitch of amplifying extremist voices. Asmongold defended his stance, stating, you can say it's unfair, that's fine, but you can't say that it's not happening or that it's not the reason. He also criticized Twitch for its inconsistent moderation policies.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They go on to mention that Twitch has not officially commented on the controversy, but recently updated its hateful conduct policy.

[Andrew Wilson]

Regarding the term Zionist because the ADL told him to.

[Tim Pool]

Is that. Well, look. Hey, man.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, not kidding. The ADL and put in a policy. They said, nope, you gotta do this. They capitulated the ADL immediately.

[Tim Pool]

This is Liberals and leftists welcomes to Leopard ate my face. Yeah, yeah, leopards ate my face. This is. They advocated and begged, and to this day they still beg for it. And I am happy to watch them crumble and wither into a dried husk of their former self.

[Andrew Wilson]

The gamers all over Twitch are Like, no, get all. They want all political content off of Twitch. Gamers are begging Twitch, get rid of political content. We don't want it. We want ad friendly content. That's us gaming, right? That's ad friendly content. We don't want this. But Twitch for Twitch. These guys are cash cows, right? Hasan Asma, they're cash cows.

[Tim Pool]

Destiny has a viral video right now where he says that all of the people on the right should be banned.

[Andrew Wilson]

Including you?

[Tim Pool]

Including me. He says people like, you know, by name.

[Andrew Wilson]

By name, by name.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know who else he mentions, I don't remember, but he says Tim Pool. These people, they're only awful and their platform should be totally banned.

[Andrew Wilson]

And I'm like, oh, he said Tucker Carlson, right? He said Tim Pool. He said there was multiple personalities.

[Tim Pool]

I'm in complete agreement right now with him and I'm glad he brought it up because we hold the power over the institutions. We won the popular vote. The advertisers are siding with X and he's going to get himself banned for screaming this and bye bye Destiny.

[Raymond]

You know, Disney came back to X too.

[Tim Pool]

Even that's what I'm talking about. All the major corporations are coming back to X because Destiny and his ilk are on the wrong side of history. Yeah, Destiny wanted to make the argument about democracy and all that. Well, he's anti democracy. The more he complains he is opposed to the will of the people. So if he wants to advocate for bannings, I say, well, don't look at me, but my stance on this has changed.

[Andrew Wilson]

And he's. By the way, this guy's always been a de platformer. I mean, going way back, he's always been the advocate for deplatforming. Unless it's him. Unless it's.

[Tim Pool]

10 years ago I was in the we shouldn't ban people. We protect free speech even for those who disagree with camp. Now I'm in the I do not defend my enemies. Destiny wants to burn down free speech. I say, hey man, you're on your own. So when they start ripping their revenue away and banning them out and Hasan as well, I just say, sucks for you guys. I guess I ain't going to speak up for you.

[Andrew Wilson]

No.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, like, I mean, I'm not suffer.

[Andrew Wilson]

Suffer.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm like, I'm not going to sit there. I would never go and go out of my way to try and like get someone banned. But I'm not going to do one. I'm not going to lift one finger. I'M not going to waste one.

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Bit of breath trying to defend him or any. I mean, anyone that says, oh, you know, these people should be. Should be banned. If you're, if you're advocating for banning people like beat it. I'm not going to defend.

[Andrew Wilson]

People are saying is even so much worse than that. It's not even just the idea of democracy. What, what Destiny was saying in that video clip, and I've heard this echoed from guys like Pacman and many others, is that all of humanity is benefited by you being gone. You even having a place to say anything is an existential threat to humankind itself.

[Tim Pool]

That's what you were saying.

[Andrew Wilson]

And all that happens is that the world's gonna improve by getting rid of you. That's a call to action. Yeah, that's an actual call to action. That's. We must do this. We need to get rid of these people. How is it not. If you say these people are an existential threat to everybody? Right. How's that not really a call to action? Because that's what it sounds like to me.

[Tim Pool]

There's a reason why. And this is actually a fascinating metric I'd love to study. Maybe we could hire like a. Maybe people's pundit Rich Barris could help us out with this. After the election, that was a major inflection point. CNN, MSNBC's ratings collapsed. Yep. David Pakman, Brian Tyler Cohen, they started bleeding subscribers. And he made a big deal out of it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, he did.

[Tim Pool]

And then when we responded, he made another big deal out of it. If you look at their accounts on X, AOC lost like 150k this month. More now they're fleeing to Blue sky or other apps. And so we saw in the inverse, Fox News ratings go up, our viewership skyrocketed. We jumped a substantial amount. We are still seeing increased ratings. Right now we're at 60,625 concurrent views where we were averaging before, like 45K. So we've seen a boost. I'm wondering if this is regular. People were watching. These leftists, these liberals believed them, saw that the majority of the country did not agree. Some of them either asked themselves, am I wrong? Some of them said, oh, crap, I'm on the wrong side of history. But I'm wondering if we can actually track that sentiment among people who ditched the liberal shows and are rushing over here. And I think then the reason why people like Destiny are saying we'd be better off without them is because then the viewers would have nowhere else to go. And they'd be trapped in his sycophantic lie machine.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, it's always, it's always been the case that the leftists on Twitch and on YouTube have always pulled their resources, especially on Twitch, to remove any right wing personality who existed there. A good example of this Fuentes was on Twitch. He was vastly popular, I think, to my understanding, he did follow the terms of service that they had set down at the time. They got rid of him because leftists collectively demanded that they get rid of him. That was it. And it's because. Why? Well, he siphoned a ton of viewers and because of that, he siphons their money. And that's what it comes down to, right? You're exactly right. They want to have the pool of viewership and the pool of cash. So, yeah, they do collectively demand often that right wingers be removed from these platforms. Whether they're breaking the TOS or not, they don't care and they'll make shit up. I've seen them make up various things. I've seen them say, this guy's advocating for transgender genocide and all sorts of crazy things that nobody ever said anything about in order to push reports to various platforms to get you deplatformed.

[Tim Pool]

The craziest thing I've been talking about for the past month, I went onto the front page of YouTube. I normally don't look. I don't go onto YouTube and look at default not signed in account, like a fresh browser login. And I started to. Because we saw our viewership spike randomly and I was like, okay, we gotta be featured. Like, they put you on the front page, your viewership's gonna jump. So I go to the front page and sure enough, I see Timcast irl and I'm like, wow, something changed in the algorithm. I don't know if it's after the CEO passed on. Rest in peace. No disrespect. The new CEO had a change of heart and said, let's. If the show's good, it's good. Put it on the front page. What I noticed though, when I started looking, there are channels that will take a clip of me from this show talking about, I don't know, roosters, and then put that in a screen with Cenk Uygur, who is talking about tax rates from five years ago and make it seem like we're debating. And they'll get 30,000 views on it and make money. That's insane and freaky stuff. So you'll get a video where I can't remember one of them. I saw made the claim that me and Cenk Yuga were fighting with each other and we were enemies. And I was like, that's really weird. Like, he was actually. We were talking with him about coming on the show, and everything was cordial. We disagree, but he's been cordial. So I clicked the video and it was a total fabrication, and it had like 38,000 views or something. And I was like, holy crap. I went back and I saw a bunch of these Ben Shapiro debating a guy and different channels doing it. They realize that this space and these debates get traffic and people want to see it. They realize that big names attract the viewers and so they can make a fake video. They don't call it parody or anything like that. They just say, wow, look at this. Whoa. And they play it.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's been. I mean, that's been going on for years. People tapping into the large content creators have conflict making these fake news I've.

[Tim Pool]

Never seen before making.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, they've been doing it for a while.

[Tim Pool]

Making videos of. From two different channels, totally unrelated to each other and combining them to make a fake debate.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, maybe, maybe not specifically that. Was it an actual fake debate that they hosted? Oh, really?

[Tim Pool]

It was like a short video with a couple clips. One of them was me, and I can't remember exactly what it was, but let's say I'm talking about, you know, Joe Biden comes out and says, trinidad Shabbat of pressure. And then I go, what was that? That was gibberish nonsense. The man's not even speaking English. Now. How could you sit there and tell me this guy is giving me an honest argument? And then it would be clip Jack going, don't. No, don't say that. That's ridiculous.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but I mean, that's old. That's an old way to do satire too.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but this was not satire. It was a guy hosting it, going, hey, guys. So I was watching the debate with Tim and Cenk and it was really crazy because Tim was saying this and I was like, what?

[Andrew Wilson]

Just totally fabricated.

[Tim Pool]

And there were a bunch of them from different people, and I was like, yo, what is this? That's freaky.

[Andrew Wilson]

So they just look at what's trending in the algo, maybe, and then try to try to push that content out of it.

[Raymond]

Certain names make good clicks.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, of course.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's like when people make the clips from this show where they edit it in funny ways, where it's like me and Ian staring into. Into each other's eyes. And then the next clip is like, we're not there anymore. And then, you know, those are funny, but these, these. These videos are weird. Anyway, to your point, the reason I bring it up, it is like, Sam Cedar is the king of this. He just makes things up every day. It's like his whole show is just fabricated. The dude literally came on the Culture War podcast.

[Andrew Wilson]

I know, I watched it.

[Tim Pool]

Did you see when he said, that's the clip I was trying to get? He admitted to doing it. So this guy Sam Cedar comes out.

[Andrew Wilson]

Really? He was very. So I was expecting when he came on that this was going to be a really kind of a good exchange. Because Cedar is known as being a fairly decent debater inside of these fears. I never thought so, but he's known for being one. And he was just kind of doddering. He was like, I want to make an allegation, but I can't make an allegation. But I want to make an allegation.

[Tim Pool]

The best example is I outright said I'm pro choice, I think due to the impossibility of regulating certain issues pertaining to health. And so I said the Supreme. So I don't want to relate the whole argument. The point was Supreme Court has to give us an answer on personhood as to whether the 14th Amendment applies to the unborn as persons, not citizens. We don't have that. I believe a conservative court will, and that will ban abortion overnight. It would require adjudication for it. Personally, I said, as of right now, I'm more pro choice. I think abortion is wrong, but I see an impossibility in properly regulating it right now because of various issues.

[Andrew Wilson]

Cringed him cringe, Tim, and that's fine.

[Tim Pool]

And I said, so I think. I don't know if it's 15, 18, 22 weeks, whatever that number is, we'll find where a woman can just go in. And I said, there are questions of consent. He then asks me a hypothetical. How would you deal with consent? I'm like, we should get a rape kit, I guess. And he was like, so a woman would have to get a rape kit to prove that she didn't consent? And I was like, yes. My argument was never that I thought women should be forced to do these things. Mine was, I'm pro choice up to a certain amount. Pre viability. A woman doesn't need a reason at all. I think it's wrong. And we want to go the Ron Paul route. It should be unthinkable, not illegal in the event of consent. He asks me. He then goes off and starts saying things like, you're disgusting, you son of a. You're so gross. And I'm sitting here being like, here he goes, you're trying to get a clip. After he was finished with his overly emotional rant, he just calms down and goes, that was the clip I was trying to get outright admitting on the show he just wanted to cause a scene. It's remarkable. This is what the left does, and this is why they lose. If I said something to you, like, if you were a leftist, Andrew, if you were like a hardcore leftist, what do you think, tax wise, what tax rate would you advocate for?

[Andrew Wilson]

90%.

[Tim Pool]

You insist you really. And then you're disgusting. And then what we do is we clip the part where I say, what tax rate would you advocate for? You say 90%. And I claim. And that's what he does. And it's fake. His whole show is fake. And this is what they do. And so the reason why they don't like the competition is because they want to be able to lie, manipulate the algorithm, make money. They are what they project onto others. They say everyone else is grifting and it's one big scam. But you know what? Greg Gutfeld, I got to give him credit for it every time I say this, because it was masterfully said. The left, their whole worldview is downstream from hoaxes. Everything they talk about is derivative of a hoax. But once you see through one of them, there's no going back.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

My response to that is that explains snl, for instance, the jokes on SNL that don't make sense, where they have RFK Jr out and come out and be like, gotta get rid of all the vaccines. And I was like, what's the joke? I mean, RFK Jr. Is not anti vax. Oh. It's because in their hoax world, they think he hates vaccines. And then you actually listen to the guy, like any sane person, and he's like, I think vaccines should undergo rigorous testing, like every other medication, and I recommend them. And you're like, oh, so it's like a moderate position. It's totally normal.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. Well, in satire, if it doesn't point at the truth isn't funny. That's the point. Right. And so when people say Saturday Night Live, for instance, isn't funny because. Because you're not pointing at the truth. Yeah. If you're not pointing at the truth, you can't have any humor. Otherwise, what are we even talking about? Right?

[Tim Pool]

So anyway, I digress. I'm done ranting about those people. But so What? Twitch revenue is just flat. Everybody's. The stock guys says his ad revenue is down 95%.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, well, I mean, they do bad revenue, which had a great opportunity with their, with their platform before they, they sold out. They had some great shows on there with some great talent, and they literally buckled under to Hasan Piker. I mean, basically, whatever Hasan wants on that platform, Hasan gets, and that's that. So if you're a popular right wing entertainer or commentator, you go on there and you make fun of the golden boy, you're gone. I mean, that's it. So Twitch has always been unfriendly. The right. Everybody knows.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

But now it's just, it's so, it's so beyond obvious. And that's why the gamers there, like, look, isn't.

[Tim Pool]

Isn't Twitch Amazon?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I think Bezos must have had a conversation with somebody. You know, he comes out and says, washington Post, we're not going to endorse. He's like, oh, we have to be impartial. I think when the left started saying that they were going to pass these taxes on unrealized gains, and he actually got us to defend Jeff Bezos, or I should say that the left got us to defend Jeff Bezos. I'm like, bezos doesn't make a billion dollars a year. His salary, I think, is 1 million plus. No, it's 80,000 plus bonus. So he makes a couple million dollars per year. He takes out loans against his stock. He cannot sell the stock because of contractual obligations with the structure of the company.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but he takes out the loan so he doesn't have to pay taxes on the money.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he can't take out the money. So this is, this is the issue. He owns Amazon. They have. When he wants to sell stock, the stock has to reach a threshold before he can liquidate it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So if we were to tax him on unrealized gains, he'd be like, I don't have any of that money.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they'd be like, sell your stock. I'm not legally allowed to sell the stock. If the government then intervened in the, in the Amazon contract to force him to sell the stock, it would gut.

[Andrew Wilson]

The value of the idea here, though, that you set the company up so that it operates that way so you can take out loans. You're taking out loans against what your potential net worth is. Because on a loan, when you're paying the loan back, you don't have to pay any taxes on it.

[Tim Pool]

You don't have to set up the company that way to do that. So if you are the owner of a company and you have liquid stock and you unrealize a million dollars in gains, you have a unrealized gains of a million bucks. You could liquidate the stock or you can get a loan against it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Tim Pool]

Bezos structure, for whatever reason, by all means, accuse him of that structure or otherwise he can't just sell. But there is no unrealized gains tax, so there's no reason to do that. The structure I think has to do with the investors who came in. And if he were to sell too much stock at once, it would tank the value of the company. If they pass unrealized taxes like Kamala wanted to do, he's screwed. They just ripped. He loses the company. So he must have been like, turn it around, Twitch, Washington Post, everything. We're pro Trump now or at the very least neutral. And that's. But, but to be honest, the advertisers leaving Twitch likely has more to do with the Zionism stuff. Hasan Pikers had some real messed up stuff.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's, I mean, it's part of it, but I mean it's, it's been happening for a while. The decline of Twitch has been going on for a while, especially with Twitch politics. Twitch politics used to be a pretty brutal place that was kind of fun to go to. Had a lot of good political commentators there. That's all done. It just doesn't even exist there anymore. Now all that exists is a couple of these big personalities and if they want you off, you're off. The gamers absolutely hate all the political, any political talk whatsoever because it's supposed to be a gaming platform, right? So, you know, it doesn't make any sense. Their moderation policy makes no sense and people just stop watching it. They just don't want to support it.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's shift back to politics. We got the story from the Post Millennial. This is big news. PA Supreme Court demands Bucks county follow ruling to not count ineligible ballots during Senate race recount. Well, we've got a, a couple candidates for the investigation Matt Gaetz could launch. This is Chuck Ross says Diane Ellis Marseglia, the Bucks county commissioner who was openly breaking the law to count invalid ballots contributed to Bob Casey's campaign in September. For those who don't know, this is the third time the PA Supreme Court has told Democrats to stop counting illegal ballots. I don't think they're going to stop. The funny thing is everyone in the country is watching this happen. The New York Times and NBC have even been critical or at the very least pointed out that Democrats are openly breaking the law and stating they're doing it. So I arrest them.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Once you get once, you're like, why is that such a foreign concept to be. It's like, once, yeah, arrest them.

[Phil Labonte]

Once Trump gets into office, whoever ends up being the AG needs to go and send FBI and arrest them because they're trying to tamper with elections. Clearly they know they're knowingly tampering with elections. So go wrap them up. Go ahead and send, if you want to send an entry team to their door at six in the morning. Five in the morning. I'm all for that.

[Andrew Wilson]

I think you have the opposite result too, that people think, like, people think, oh, everyone's going to think you're an authoritarian. This, I think most people would be like, it's about fucking time. It's about time.

[Tim Pool]

Take a look at this Bucks County Senate race. It was McCormick and out flipped Bob Casey. It's not going to change the results. And I think the New York Times hasn't even called the Senate race, to be completely honest. Yeah. The New York Times won't call it, despite the fact that Casey cannot win. So now the New York Times is actually counting what everyone knows to be illegal ballots. Yes. This number should not be inverted. The New York Times should not be calculating illegal ballots. The Supreme Court of PA said, do not count. That's wild that they're doing this.

[Raymond]

And that lady says she was going to count the illegal votes just to make sure that the higher courts pay attention to it. Well, if we get our DOJ in there, they're going to definitely pay attention to it. And they're not.

[Phil Labonte]

If it's a matter of when. Yeah, because, I mean, if Donald Trump will be inaugurated and like, there's going to be someone that's going to be the, she's going to get her wish.

[Andrew Wilson]

Have this really bad habit of doing this. Okay. That's all in the past. We're all going to look forward now to the future. We're going to let all of this go. They have a bad habit of doing this. I.

[Tim Pool]

New world.

[Phil Labonte]

I understand what you're saying, but I, I do think that especially the people around Trump, like Trump is looking to go in and get rid of a lot of the corruption. That, that, that is the mandate, as far as, as far as I can tell, that's the mandate that he's got to get in and get, you know, drain the swamp. He, he, he said that he was going to do it in the first. In the first. In his first term. Term. Thank you. But he obviously wasn't, you know, wasn't prepared to be. To do it because he didn't understand how the government worked, how deep the rot went, et cetera. Now he's got significantly more. More information. He's got, he's much, much wiser. He's not nearly as naive as he was. Now, again, I'm not saying that he's going to be perfectly successful, but there is going to be an actual. I believe that there's going to be an actual real attempt that's not just like, oh, I'm going to go in there and fire everybody.

[Andrew Wilson]

He's.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that the last four years that he's had without being the president, I think it's all very good that that happened. Honestly, as much as people want to say, you know, 2020 was, I agree, it was unfairly decided, it's good that he had that happen because you've. He had a. Not just to see what they did when he was in office, but the way that they treated him and the things that they've tried to do since he was out of office.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, he doesn't have anything to lose.

[Phil Labonte]

No, nothing to lose.

[Andrew Wilson]

He has nothing to lose at this point in the next four years. He's got four years to basically get rid of these scumbags who have done this.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, 18 months. He has 18 months. He doesn't have four years because once you get, once the midterm, the races for the midterms start. He's not going to get any kind of support from Congress.

[Andrew Wilson]

He has, unless there's not a flip.

[Tim Pool]

Fair enough.

[Phil Labonte]

But you don't know. And so, and so, so he's got it, but he has to get it done as soon as possible.

[Tim Pool]

And I would agree with you because we were talking with, I can't remember we had on the show, they said once, Roger Stone.

[Raymond]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

No, Roger Stone was not in the show for a minute. Once you get to the midterm cycle, a lot of these squishy Republicans are going to be too scared to take these actions because they'll lose. However, I'm going to make the argument now that I don't know is guaranteed. But I think right now the shape of this country is if Republicans try and play that game, they'll lose no matter what. If Republicans play the. I'm not going to do anything, they lose, goodbye. Because no Republican will vote for you. So if you're Republican you want to win, the only option you have is to get behind the popular agenda. Because if time comes and you say, you know, look, I'm in a moderate district, so I'm not going to support Trump's agenda and hope I can win Democrat votes, every Republican will primary you. They'll be like, you are done and we're going to get someone else to run against you.

[Raymond]

We are sick and tired of them sitting on their hands writing strongly worded letters.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, but the threat is the, is primary. He's got to get, he's got to get as much done as possible. As long as there is the capacity to primary. The people that decide they're not going to go, go along with him.

[Raymond]

Well, we never primary anybody.

[Phil Labonte]

No, but the point is that there's a lot of people that are ready to do it and there's money to do it, too, because Elon Musk said that his America PAC will fund primary challenges. So get on board, Republicans. Again, Donald Trump has 18 months. And if you're going to inhibit what the American people have voted for, which is to do as much damage to the corrupt people in the bureaucracy, in the entrenched bureaucracy, get as many of the corrupt people out of there and put them in jail, if you're going to stand in the way, you're going to get primaried. That's, that's not, there's no question about that. Musk's got a boatload of money in the America pack and they're going to be watching for people that don't, that don't fall in line to support the agenda.

[Andrew Wilson]

Musk has a massive. Also.

[Tim Pool]

Motivation.

[Raymond]

Fail. Motivation.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes. A massive information machine.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

I mean, the idea here is that working in tandem with Trump, that they can identify who these people are so that the Justice Department can go after him and the American people are informed of what's happening.

[Phil Labonte]

And because of X and because of people like Tim, this show here and stuff, these, these elected officials, they're going to be put on blast. Like, if we get wind of it, someone that's, that doesn't, that's been hindering the efforts to actually get the corrupt people again, we're not trying to go after people that are innocent or just trying to mess with people just to mess with people. If you're hindering how many of them.

[Andrew Wilson]

Are innocent, though, I.

[Phil Labonte]

Fair enough. But the point being is, I don't want it to sound, I don't want to sound like we're just looking to get the Democrats. I want people to Understand that We're after the corrupt. There's plenty of people that are corrupt. And I agree with you. More corruption than not corrupt. But the point is, shows like this. Excuse me. Shows like this, people like Elon Musk, platforms like X make it impossible to hide. Impossible to hide. If you're not falling in line with the Trump agenda and you're just looking to. To, you know, pad your. Your. Your reelection, you're going to get primary.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, if he makes that an actual. If he makes it a priority, immediate priority, to go after the same people who are responsible for what happened to these people on January 6th. Throwing them in jail, not giving them fair trials, none of this. If he really moves towards an agenda like that, then I think he'll be extremely popular immediately.

[Phil Labonte]

I think so.

[Andrew Wilson]

He'll keep that momentum going. But if he does the same shit that we saw last time, where it's the forgive and forget, we're just looking forward. He's done.

[Phil Labonte]

I think we're getting way more Gates already.

[Tim Pool]

I'm like, oh, geez. Yeah, like, if he chose somebody else, you know, I hear Radcliffe, I'm like, okay, you know, all right. I was hoping for Cash Patel, but maybe Cash will be FBI Director.

[Andrew Wilson]

Gates wants blood.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So when he said Gates, I was. I was. I was sitting on my phone, and I'm scrolling and my eyes are half closed. I can't remember what time the announcement came out. I just started yelling, and I, like, ran to Allison, and I was like, she's like, what are you yelling? Yeah. She was like, what's going on? I was like. Because first I saw Tulsi Gabbard, and I was like, all right, Tulsi Gabbard, dni, let's go. Then I saw Matt Gaetz, and I was like.

[Andrew Wilson]

So, Trump, are we going to see. Are we going to see a Rand Paul audit? The Fed?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, dude.

[Andrew Wilson]

Are we going to see it? Are we going to see a Rand Paul out at the Fed?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Raymond]

Can be part of it. He could be part of Doge.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I mean, Mike Johnson's in Trump's entourage at ufc.

[Raymond]

That's kind of weird, but, yeah, I guess it means a lot.

[Tim Pool]

Yet Trump can get Gates in through a recess appointment. As long as Mike Johnson says, I want to adjourn. Senate says, no. Trump says, article two. Was it Article two, Section three, I think he says, you're hereby adjourned. Then I will appoint through recess for the next year, Matt Gaetz's ag. Have fun. Mike Johnson being there with him on the plane, leaning over as are eating McDonald's. He's in the entourage.

[Phil Labonte]

That's a big, like you're bringing a.

[Raymond]

Nerdy kid into your pool club.

[Phil Labonte]

Not only that, but what that. What's that. What that is doing is it is messaging to Congress. It is messaging to Congress. He is saying, as the speaker of the House, I am on board with the president's agenda, so you are going to have to get on board. And the guy that, the guy that John Cornyn, I think is the guy that's the new.

[Raymond]

No, Thorn. Thorn.

[Phil Labonte]

Thune. Yeah, Thune. So I don't know the whole deal, but I retweeted a thread about some of the backroom deals. And the point of getting Thune was it was to actually get things, like to make it so that way you could get amendments back in bills because Congress has been voting on bills without amendments for ages and ages and ages. And they're trying to re. To undo the damage that's been done by making everything vote on the whole bill. And if you can get actual amendments back into the bill, then you can get the Senate to have the power and the position back that it was supposed to have. And so that's another thing that will help get the Trump agenda.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't, I don't, I don't trust Senate, but don't matter. I think, you know, bill wise and legislatively, these things can be undone. Who knows? It'll be good. Fine. We need proof of citizenship for federal elections. I think, I think there's a deal component with Trump and Mike Johnson where he says, look, Matt Gaetz didn't want you. Matt Gaetz wanted Jim Jordan or somebody else he obstructed. He led the charge. We'll take him out of your hair. He tells the nrcc, Matt Gaetz. Trump goes, look, Matt Gaetz will no longer be an issue for you. He's going to be my ag, so long as you guys agree to either help him get in or Reese's appointments, then Matt Gaetz is out of Congress, and no one's going to get in the way of the NRCC and who they want for their leadership. And they're probably like, great, good deal.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, great.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Okay. So they're, they're probably thinking, fine, you can have Gates take them. We don't want them. And then the rest of us are like, oh, I hear, I hear he's.

[Raymond]

Not liked by anyone, not by his policies, but just because he's such a firebrand, even by his own colleagues, but.

[Tim Pool]

You know, it is because Congress is so corrupt. Right.

[Raymond]

I like it.

[Tim Pool]

There's, there's a, there's a component of this with AOC as well. The, and the squad, the candidates who are funded by individual donors, they don't have to fundraise as often. They can go online and be like money and it trickles in the other rank and file guys and men and women have to be on the phone every day. They have to raise that money so they can pay off their either the DCCC or the nrcc. Matt Gaetz is like, screw you guys, I can do whatever I want. You don't have power over me. They don't like.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, well. And some of these people, to be perfectly honest, are bland and boring. And Gates for instance, he's fun to listen to as a public speaker. You want to tune in. So when you have that kind of charisma, it's very easy for you to self fund if you need to as well.

[Tim Pool]

And this, right. This also lines up Gates for a higher level position potentially in a future administration. So some people are saying Vance Gates, 2028.

[Raymond]

Ooh.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Gates AG though is.

[Andrew Wilson]

We'll see on Vance.

[Raymond]

Are we going to pass on Tulsi?

[Tim Pool]

Because we are our benches president. Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm not sure about Vance as president.

[Tim Pool]

I agree. I do feel like he's a great VP and I think he has potential. He showed this on the debate.

[Andrew Wilson]

But he's a never Trumper.

[Tim Pool]

I don't care about that. My big concern is where we go in four years. Does Vance break the barrier of a grandiose figure like a Trump? No one's going to be Trump.

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Right now Vance is a really great vp. He's exactly what Trump needed. I think he was a great choice. Will he be the presidential charismatic, loud booming voice? We'll see. But I'm looking forward to it.

[Andrew Wilson]

He seems like. But this, this was the one thing that got me. I understand politically why he went with Vance, but Pence turned on Trump and Pence was a pretty good VP for the most part. You know, he was okay. Yeah, he's okay.

[Tim Pool]

Plus good, not great.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, he was fine. Right?

[Tim Pool]

He was okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

But the thing is, is like he turned on Trump very quickly. He turned on Trump, still is turned on Trump and so to get a never Trumper, it's like right now, while it's popular, while it's a popular thing to do this type of thing. Yeah, sure, he might, you know, but I worry the chips are down. Is it time for Vance to snake he looks like a snake to me. He does. He looks like a beady eyed little snake. Don't trust the guy.

[Raymond]

I don't know, Tim, real quick. I meant General Flynn instead of.

[Tim Pool]

Oh and yeah, yeah. Let's jump to this story from Fox News. New York Times fact check of RFK Jr's claim about popular breakfast cereal stuns social media. Spitting out my coffee after reading this New York Times Fact check of RFK Jr 1x user wrote, well, if you're drinking cast brew coffee, you would never spit it out. So go to Casper.com. see? See how I did that? That was pretty good, right? Still delicious.

[Andrew Wilson]

So here's about Yellow five.

[Tim Pool]

So yeah, so check it out. Here's the original article from, from the New York Times and it is such a good ridiculous. I call it a hat trick. It's whatever the right is for. We're opposed to. It is fake news and a stealth edit because they did change it after, after a while. So they say this Mr. Kennedy has singled out Froot Loops as an example of a product with too many artificial ingredients, questioning why the Canadian version is fewer than the US version. But he was wrong. The ingredient list is roughly the same, although Canada's has natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots, while the US product contains red dye 40 yellow 5, blue 1 as well as butylated hydroxy toluene or BHT, a lab made chemical that is used for freshness according to the ingredient label. So everybody saw that and they were like, so he was right.

[Andrew Wilson]

Totally right. Yeah, 100% right.

[Tim Pool]

So here's what they do. They stealth edit the article and now it says something totally different. Now it says. Let me, let me jump to Fruit Loops. Look at, they had to put a correction in at the bottom. Let me. Where are we at? It says Mr. Kennedy has singled out Froot Loops as an example of a product with too many ingredients. In an interview With MSNBC in November 6, he questioned the overall ingredient count. Why do we have Froot Loops in this country that have 18 or 19 ingredients and you go to Canada as two or three? He was wrong on the ingredient count and then goes on to say the same thing. The problem is it's still a ridiculous fact check because we know what he meant. No, he doesn't literally think that Fruit Loops has three ingredients. It's going to have wheat, water, egg, whatever, sugar, coloring. He was saying basically that we have garbage in our foods that they don't have. And he's completely correct. We have butylated hydroxy Toluene bht.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, in Yellow five, which is a coal, it's an industrial coal, like byproduct.

[Tim Pool]

This is. I think. I think dye names should be banned. The first thing RFK Jr can do, if he can't ban them, he should require that they call them what they are. Yellow five is tartrazine. Call it tartrazine and in parentheses, coal derivative. But, you know, the problem is, unless you ban it. This is why I'm not a libertarian. People don't care. They will eat plastic if it is sold to them. And it is a problem in this country. The libertarians tell me all the time, if they sell a bad product, they'll go out of business. That's not true, because every single diner sells hydrogenated cottonseed oil and calls it butter spread.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, they're addicting. Like Doritos are addicting. You can't say.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

You can't say things like, whoa, people, this tricks your brain into not knowing when you're full. That's why somebody can sit down, need an entire bag of Doritos. It tricks your brain. You don't know that. You don't actually want more Doritos.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

The idea here, these food chemists, do they go in and take these foods, they add additives which do that. They become addicting in and of themselves. You go, okay, well, you're selling an addicting product from the shelves. And then you say, well, people, once they're informed, they'll just stop buying this highly addictive product. Well, that hasn't happened with smoking. That hasn't happened with all sorts of. So, yeah, some of these things, you do have to just do an outright ban. You gotta be like, no. And there's no reason for us to have Yellow 5 and Fruit Loops. That's rain.

[Tim Pool]

This is what pisses me off. Apparently, the food company said when they removed these dyes, people didn't want to buy them anymore, so they brought them back. And I was like, don't care. Literally, don't care. I was. I was. I was. I got pissed off when I was reading on the story this morning because we went to go, Allison and I, and we went with Richie, we went to the river to cook breakfast in the morning, and they got a rope swing over the water. And it's. It's just so amazing. Out. Out here in. This was actually Maryland, not West Virginia.

[Raymond]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And so I was like, let's get some eggs, goat cheese, cheddar, bacon. We'll fry it up over a. Over a fire. I grabbed. I was looking for. I don't want to bring avocados out. So I was like, I'll get a tube of, you know, the, the mashed avocado they have. It's just, it's. I grabbed one, I looked in the back, and it was mixed with gelling gum. Locust bean gum.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Sodium benzoate. And I'm like, nope, not eating that garbage. Right next to it was the same one. Turn it around. Avocado, sea salt, lime.

[Andrew Wilson]

Done.

[Tim Pool]

And I was like, I don't understand why this other one has the ridiculous, weird garbage all in it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Because of expense. So the idea with Froot Loops, let's take Fruit Loops. You could get the Froot Loops to have all those colors using something like blueberry, carrot. We know this how? Because it just told us that they do that in Canada. Right. Slightly alters the taste. Maybe. Maybe it doesn't even slightly alter the taste, but it probably makes the product more expensive. And so if it makes it more expensive, they don't want to invest in it. That's it.

[Tim Pool]

I want to. I want to play this clip.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's a wholesome, nutritious breakfast cereal.

[Tim Pool]

Chris is Chris Mowry. And this is a part of the story. This is the. Whatever it is the right likes. We hate. Listen to this. The reason chronic disease in the United States is increasing is not because of chemicals in the food. Okay. Is Donald Trump takes power and we're all reeling from the fact that this psychopath is going to be in office. Some of the most misinformation that we're going to have to fight against together is health related. RFK Jr. Is an environmental lawyer, not a doctor. I'm going to pause right there.

[Raymond]

Who's he?

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. I'm going to pause right there. He already said two ridiculous things. Chronic illness is not caused by chemicals in the food. It. It actually is. This is a fact. One tartrazine. But. But tartrazine. Studies have found that it could cause or exacerbate asthma. Although now the Wikipedia has been edited to be like, nope, totally fine.

[Raymond]

Like last week, probably.

[Tim Pool]

He then says, Our RFK Jr. Is an environmental lawyer, not a doctor. Right. Let's play that one more time. Misinformation that we're going to have to fight against together is health related. RFK Jr. Is an environmental lawyer, not a doctor. Okay, pause. The current HHS secretary is Xavier Beccara. Becerra. Does that he pronounce it Becerra? Yeah, he is a lawyer. Former AG of California. Before that was. Was a US Rep representing downtown la. He's not a doctor either. And that's who they appointed for. This is proof. Guys, please. The whole Democrat liberal infrastructure is whatever the right is for, we are against. Even if it's like you have, you have butylated hydroxy toluene in your food. You don't know what it is or why you're eating it. It's a good thing.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, why are the representatives though? Here's the thing. I will say this, the one good thing that they've done for us. This kid's a dork. Like what a dork. Look at this nerd, right? He's gay. Guys, listen to me. He's like, who's going to ever listen to this dip shit? Nobody's going to listen to this guy. That's why. That's why. No, no, that's why. That's why 4,000 people left him and came over here. Right? They're not going to listen to this dork. It's ridiculous and all.

[Tim Pool]

They listen to the doctors. You know why chronic disease United States is rising is because of obesity. Well, Chris, why is obesity going up if the government is doing their job completely wrong? So color colon cancer has been on the rise among healthy young people. This is a huge story. There was a couple of studies that came out recently suggesting that high fructose corn syrup and emulsifiers have been causing colon cancer in healthy, fit, athletic young people.

[Andrew Wilson]

High fructose corn syrup, like I just said earlier, that industrial product, that and seed oils, things like this. Really, really bad.

[Tim Pool]

So let's, let's play a little bit more capitalism. Everybody has more money than ever in the most complex, well put together society ever on the face of the planet. Wrong. Look at where I'm sitting. I'm sitting in a vehicle where small explosions in the back will propel me forward to the nearest fucking McDonald's. Right, I just got a pause in the front. Are you, are you aware, Chris, are you there on the front car? I don't know that Chris is aware, but impoverished countries have cars too. And other combustion. The combustion engine is not unique to the United States. Get a meal that's very calorically dense and yet low in nutritional value. And I can. That's correct. Cheaply and in like five minutes. We fix this via education. I don't know, eat a diet that consists of more whole foods, for example. Okay. He's taken the libertarian route, which is really weird. He's so. These, these liberals are so anti right that they'll even become libertarians. Target the right. I reject the free market solution to all of these things. I drive to every diner on the weekends, Alison. I'll get breakfast somewhere. And every single diner uses aerosol spray on their grill for cooking food. I don't want to eat that. So we're like, I don't know if I want to do that anymore. There's only one restaurant around here, Martinsburg Family Diner, that has real butterfly. When you order food, they bring you out a little thing. It says it's real, it's actual butter. Every other diner we go to, even the smaller ones we try to go, the expensive ones, they'll give you packets of butter spread. Like, what is butter spread? Hydrogenated linseed oil or some other garbage. Nonsense. Nobody cares. And if I don't know the degree to which this stuff is causing poison or whatever, the point is.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, it's part of. It's part of the high trust aspect that we have.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Andrew Wilson]

And so you think that everything you're getting off of the shelf has already been vetted. It's already known to not be poisonous. Nobody would give you things which are poisonous to eat. That's insane. Right? Of course our government's looking out for us. And of course the opposite is true. And so, I mean, you're absolutely right. You can't use a libertarian, free market approach to this. You need an authoritarian approach. And you actually have to say, no, I'm sorry, you can't sell actual poison. You can't do that.

[Tim Pool]

So. So, funny story, with the recent push from these psychopath leftists for Aqua Tofana. Did you see this? Aqua Tofana was being pushed by these leftist women. I'm not getting into too much detail. Then, as a poison, these women are psychotic. Oh, the drug thing, the way it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Worked is the first dose, other women. No, I'm kidding, kidding.

[Tim Pool]

The worst, they are women. The worst dose, the first dose would make the man feel like he had a cold. The second dose would make him feel like he had the flu. The third dose dose would put him on his deathbed, and the fourth dose would kill him. So the idea back in the day, in the 1600s, when this woman was doing it, was that nobody would suspect it was poisoning. They would just think he was getting ill and then somehow died. Yeah, yeah, that. Imagine that times 10, 40 instances of eating something, and you don't realize you're feeling sick because of it. So there's a. Right now, there's a lot of people who have done carnivore diets or maybe they're vegan or whatever. And what I think Jordan Peterson and Michaela and Joe Rugen were saying about the Carnivore diet is that it's an elimination diet. It's not that you want to eat only meat forever. It's that you eliminate everything from your diet and see if you feel better. And if you do, it may be that something you were eating was causing your chronic illness.

[Andrew Wilson]

And by the way, almost everybody who has used the Carnivore diet, I've used it myself as exactly that elimination. Right. Found out all sorts of things that bothered, like, bizarre things I would never thought of, like watermelon.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

You know what I mean? All sorts of little strange things like that. Almost everybody who's ever gone on that diet for a few months, it almost always feels a million times better.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think it's that. In my opinion. I don't think you should be eating nothing but beef, but people do.

[Andrew Wilson]

I think it's beef and chicken and.

[Raymond]

Yeah, it's like, right.

[Tim Pool]

But I'm just being a hyperbolic. Hyperbolic. What I mean is that, that it's all the garbage you've eliminated. It's not necessarily just the bread or the sugar or the watermelon or whatever it may be. It's that a lot of the stuff has chemicals that will make you sick and you're dosing yourself with it every single day. And then this kid who's like, what is he, like 17 or something is like, I'm in a car with a small explosion in the back that helps me forward. It's like, like you mentioned, the explosions.

[Andrew Wilson]

Are in the front actually where the engine is.

[Tim Pool]

And he just hears the boom, boom in the back. So I went to Thailand and my buddy who lived in Thailand for seven years, and he was Filipino, we were working on a project for Vice. I said, I want real Thai food. And he's like, oh, you want real Thai food, huh? Okay, I'll get you real Thai food. And I knew exactly what he was going to do. Because I do this every country I go to. We go to this little corner, corner, a residential area. The first floor in the corner had like aluminum grates that were like lifted up gates or whatever. And it was an open kitchen that looked at someone's house, but it was big. And he sat down, he ordered in, in Thai. And she brought out steamed chicken and rice. That's it, steamed chicken, white rice. And he goes, this is Thai food. This is what they eat in Thailand. And I laughed and I was like, I figured almost everyone in the world literally will just eat steamed chicken and rice. And he was like, all the other stuff people think is Thai food is like special tea prepared stuff or Americanized. I went to Brazil, I told my buddy I want Brazilian food. And he's like, real Brazil food. Yep. Guess what it was. Steak and rice. Yeah, that's it. There's no ridiculous, weird, garbled nonsense. We eat all that stuff because we're nuts. So I'll give him. I'll give him credit on that. To a certain degree. He is right about high, high calorie, low nutrition food. That's true.

[Raymond]

Is this why capitalism is bad?

[Andrew Wilson]

I mean, but it's. It's also a very obvious statement. And he packs then leftists do this all the time, right? They take one piece of the truth and pack it in with so many lies that it makes the rest of lies seem like they're true.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Andrew Wilson]

And this is exactly what this dork is doing right now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Raymond]

And their leaders, this guy, he's totally wrong, but hike. How are the Democratic Party and the left is having him and Harry Sisson. How are they supposed to be their online leaders when they're just.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, they don't debate, they don't do confrontations. You can't get Parker Dean, the next two. They don't debate. My understanding. Wasn't Dean supposed to come on here?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he got. He canceled the last.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, what a shock. A coward. Dean. Howard Dean also said that he would do a live debate on whatever. Backed out of that. He said it on video. Said it on video.

[Tim Pool]

He then tweeted. I responded with he because he was like calling out Aiden Ross or whatever. Was like, when we can debate, bro. And I was like, dean, we're still waiting for you to reschedule. You said you'd figure it out. And then he was like, I'll do it right now, live. And I'm like, we're not doing the show. Right. Because they know they create impossible circumstances so they can't do the show and then go, oh, he won't have me on.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, they want to do it. They want. It's worse. They want to do it on their TikTok. Because what they do is they mute you with. Absent the mute button, these people have nothing. Oh, yeah, yeah. You can't get through a debate. So I always say the same thing. I'm like, look, I know culture war will host us. I know whatever will host us. Tons of platforms which will host us. You don't have the mute button. And there's a moderator and that's a debate. Not. You go on TikTok, you click the mute button so that you can. You know what I mean? That's the left mouse.

[Tim Pool]

It's like we were talking about before with like Destiny and Sam Cedar in them. And you know, I'll stress this too, because it's a point I made a couple weeks ago. I used to think it was no point in talking about these guys. I'm like, who cares about some YouTubers? Like, well, the corporate press now it matters. But it matters now. And I've learned this. I have. I have reconciled MSN. Joe Scarborough is getting 28,000 viewers. They don't matter at all. Like, why bother talking about them ever? It's. We absolutely should be talking about Sam, Destiny, Pacman, Brian Tyler, Cohen. They get way more viewers.

[Andrew Wilson]

They're the ones getting more to shift the cult. So it's not even just that. It's the orbiters, the idea of the orbiters. It's not that a guy like Destiny or a guy like Vosh, or people like this in and of themselves, while they're a machine, they spawn orbiters. Vosh came from Destiny. Hasan Piker came from Destiny.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

These guys career got launched off of Destiny's back. Yeah, both of them. Vaush was a.

[Tim Pool]

Was a salty about it. Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

He was an orbiter inside of the community. His name was Irish Laddie or he was a joke. He was a commie. They would make fun of him. He was the butt of every joke. Wow. And then he goes off and he becomes, you know, his. His own brand spawned off of Destiny. So these orbiters that spawn off of them then go and make. And then they go and make. They're like a plague.

[Tim Pool]

It's called budding.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, buddy, that's.

[Tim Pool]

That's the. That's the asexual reproductive process where they. They form off of one thing and flop onto the ground.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, that's why he's always seething about Hasan. He's always so upset with Hasan because Hasan essentially got the boost from his community, then went on to become the next big thing. Way bigger than Destiny.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but it's kind of wild that Hasan's views are like way down for now. You think they'll come back?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Why do you think so?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, well, I think right now, because his content is so polarized, because it's focused on this war, and he's picked the side on that. I think that after this maybe dies down, I think that you're going to see A reemergence of bread tube. I've always thought so. I never thought that bread tube and the bread tumors in the commies were ever actually going to go away. They just seem to consolidate a little bit more. They kind of dim for a little while and then they come right back in. No, I don't think the commies on YouTube are at risk of dying anytime soon.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think he's going to die off. But his views collapsed and he had a breakdown over it and was like, yo, what's going on?

[Andrew Wilson]

I think they went down by like 20%. I'm not sure that collapsed it.

[Tim Pool]

It. So when this drop off for him happened, he was getting like 40 to 50k per show and it dropped down to like 15 to 19.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, he's back up in the now.

[Tim Pool]

Now I think he's getting like 28, 29.

[Raymond]

Yeah, well, they're so fragile. He, he thought about self harm because of that because he has such a small.

[Tim Pool]

He posted something about hurting himself because his viewers collapsed. I mean, it's fragile.

[Raymond]

Yeah, man.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It's remarkable how like deranged a lot of these people are. Like, so there was a video about Mr. Beast doing the cataract removals. Yeah, Hasan made a comment on it. Everybody roasted him. I made a video saying Hasan is correct. Hasan's point was it's ridiculous that to cure people of cataract blindness we had to turn it to a game show. Like, isn't there a more effective means of helping people? And I was like, he's right. I mean, that's idiocracy level insane. And then I went on to say things like, maybe if we weren't wasting money in the military industrial complex, dumping it in Ukraine, we could actually just, I don't know, pay for their cataract blindness treatments. I would much rather see instead of $250 billion going to Ukraine, $250 billion to pay off people's medical debt or give them minor treatments like cataract blindness. He responded to my response, making fun of me for as much as he was like, the military industrial complex is bad. And then when he heard me say we shouldn't give money to Ukraine, he starts laughing going, yo, can you believe this guy? Like, Ukraine should just be left on their own. And I was like, I'm sitting here being like, I don't understand how we agree on everything. And you still found a way to act like we don't agree and you're upset.

[Andrew Wilson]

You can't throw these people a bone because the thing is, can't do it.

[Tim Pool]

All Hasan is doing and these liberals is they're looking at their chat and then waiting to see if there's a consensus and then agreeing with it. That's it.

[Raymond]

I wonder if we could study that. Like, look at their chat. You think that's actually, actually true that they're.

[Andrew Wilson]

Listen, what's going on? Hassan Piker is notoriously dumb. Dumb as a box of rocks. And everybody knows.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. That's offensive to rocks.

[Andrew Wilson]

Rocks. This guy is so. He's so stupid. Everything. They used to make fun of him when he was a, you know, 3, 400 viewer Andy, because of how dummy was. They just thought he was good looking, right? But they were like, he is so stupid. He's just as stupid now as he was. The guy is. The guy has never been an intelligent entertainer ever. He's always been dumb. That's not why people tune in, is for his, his smart takes.

[Phil Labonte]

So yes, he's a very dumb guy. But I want us to make one comment about the, about the whole self harm thing.

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

People like Hasan and probably I would imagine someone like Destiny and Vaush. This is something I've noticed with a lot of these bread tubers and a lot of the people on the left, they don't have anything else, right? So like Tim's got multiple businesses that he's doing. It's not just irl, he's got the morning show, he's got his hands in a bunch of different stuff. You look at all the guys over at Daily Wire, they're writing books, they're doing multiple things. All the leftists, the only thing they do is the. Is stream. So if they stop streaming, the cash dries up real quick. So all their bills, they're effed. They're completely screwed because they don't have.

[Andrew Wilson]

I disagree a little bit. The. So these guys like Progressive Victory and some of these other packs, they have made political operatives out of the twitch leftist streamers.

[Phil Labonte]

But they have to stream. If they. What I'm saying is if they, if they're, if their stream dries up. Up. If their stream dries up, they have nothing else.

[Andrew Wilson]

Many of them can become very, very competent political operatives. So, and, and I'm, I'm telling you, it's like there's one, there's one right now. I can tell you one right now. Brianna Wu, Brianna Wu became a, you know, failed streamer, but a very, very good political operative for the Democrats. It's like, no, they don't only have one pathway.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, But I'm saying that's funny how much they despise Brianna. And Brianna's been what, Pro Israel?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Well, that's the reason that they despise.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's not just we gotta go to. Well, we gotta go to super chats. But I want to point out one thing and maybe we'll get into the members only because it's hilarious. Dr. Simon Gotick says, I was just labeled intolerant by Blue sky and accused of discriminating against protected groups. Wtf? Ironically, that's not very tolerant of them, basically. Blue Sky. This is funny because Jack, it's Jack Dorsey's thing. He. I'm pretty sure this is what he was talking to me about when I was on Rogan in the green room waiting to go on the show. He was mentioning he wanted to do this decentralized thing, total free speech. So Dr. Simon got it, goes on to Blue sky and says, great to be here. I hear this is a free speech platform, so let's put it to the test. Covid was a pandemic. Epstein didn't kill himself. There were only two genders. Men can't get pregnant. Bill Clinton likes him. Young Trump will make America great again. And then they said discrimination against protected groups and banned him from liberal tears. Maybe. I have no idea. Men can't get pregnant. The point is, as all these leftists flee to Blue Sky, Blue sky is reporting that they're getting something like hundreds of thousands of reports per hour. Yeah, these people can't live with themselves.

[Phil Labonte]

No, no, they can't at all.

[Tim Pool]

But let's, let's. We'll go to super chats, we'll talk more about that in the members only, where we can be a little bit less family friendly. So in the meantime, smash that like, button, share the show with everyone you know. Become a member [e-mail] click join us to support our work and get involved as a member of the Discord. There's a bunch of people, they're going to be friends with you. Maybe they won't be. I don't know. We'll see how you act. But there's meetups, there's pre shows, there's after shows, and if you're trying to figure out how to get involved, it's one way to do it. Timcast.com and you're supporting this show. That members only show will be up at 10pm where you as members get to call in and talk to us and our guest. Let's go. We got big Cheese says, howdy, everyone.

[Raymond]

Hey, big cheese.

[Tim Pool]

Peter Gohawk says, can we get a Trump dance around the Tim Cass table? Indeed. Do we have a. We don't. We don't have a wide shot, though. Andrew's refusing to do it. He won't do the Trump dance.

[Andrew Wilson]

I won't do the Trump dance.

[Raymond]

They got to tilt their head too, right.

[Tim Pool]

So Jon Jones, not only was he the winner Right. Based, but when he did the Trump dance, he did it right. You know, I'm watching those frat boys do the Trump shimmy, and one guy's going like this, and I'm like, that is not the Trump dance. One guy was going like this. Like, that is not the Trump dance. You cock your head to the side and you go arm in, arm out. And then what he. What John did was he went.

[Raymond]

And then he pointed.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. It's so good. And then he gave Trump the belt. Look, man, everybody should laugh at the Trump dance, but a Trump dance is a choice a person made to laugh with everybody. And the getting on your knee was something they didn't choose to do but were forced to do.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Under threat of penalty. So we. We are winning.

[Raymond]

Go, team.

[Tim Pool]

All right, Dom. Dan Cam says, congratulations, Tim. You are featured in Shane Dawson's new conspiracy theory video. Lol. And you welcome my brother in Christ.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hey, thank you.

[Tim Pool]

Where in the video? It's like an hour long. I don't really know about much about that guy, but, you know, whatever.

[Raymond]

Is he a big name?

[Tim Pool]

He's famous, I think, right?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, he used to be. I thought he disappeared for a while. Totally disappeared from the Internet for a while.

[Tim Pool]

Nate Parrot says, hey, guys. Tim, what do I tell lefties who say that the reason why things were good under Trump because of Obama's policies and the reason things were bad under Biden were because of Trump's policies?

[Andrew Wilson]

Ask him to name them. Ask him the policies.

[Tim Pool]

So I had. We have. We have various contractors who come in here and we're all friends with them, but some of them are, you know, more liberal. And this is the funny thing, like, run of the mill people who come by to do contract work and we hang out with might be liberal, but we don't get into it. We don't. Yeah. And so one of our skaters here and one of our contractors was here. They were talking about something I don't know talking about, but contractor asked skater. I don't even know how Trump will make butter cheaper anyway. And so, so Johnny, a skater was like, hey, Tim, how. How Is Trump going to make butter cheaper? And I was like, okay, well, start from the beginning. Joe Biden, one of the first things he did when he got in was he banned the Keystone pipeline and he banned fracking on public lands. The shutting down of the Keystone pipeline caused a speculative price hike in oil because the speculators and the oil industry said speculators and the oil industry said that in the next five years, supply will not meet demand because the Keystone pipeline has been shut down. And we can't frack. This is going to cause us a price spike. So we better buy things up now. Causing a preemptive price spike. By all means, rag on speculators, this happened. Donald Trump wants to deregulate the energy industry, which would likely cause a decrease in every element of the processing, packaging and production of butter. Which means when it comes to the grocery store, if the cost of fuel goes down, every element of its production, petroleum is going to result in cheaper plastics, cheaper packaging, cheaper printing, everything. So easy answer. Trump deregulates energy, we produce more energy, the cost to ship, everything goes down. And that's the easiest way to put it. There you go.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Say that also, if he, if he goes through with the, the decrease in corporate tax, that also will likely lower the cost of these goods at your local market.

[Tim Pool]

Why do you think, how will that correlate? What do you think?

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, because when you raise the corporate tax, just like when the progressives are saying Trump's tariffs are gonna raise prices. That's true. They are gonna slightly raise prices. There's no doubt about that.

[Tim Pool]

Only on imported goods.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's true. But we have a lot of imported goods. Let's be real. But so does raising corporate taxes. If you raise the corporate tax rate, then that's a hidden tax on the consumer. It's always a hidden tax on the consumer. Where else does it go? It goes to the consumer. So if you let, if you decrease the corporate tax rate, that is no longer a hidden tax on the consumer.

[Tim Pool]

The issue likely with raising taxes will hit publicly, publicly owned companies with a fiduciary obligation to deliver profits. If there's a higher tax burden on the corporation, on their profits, they're going to deliver lower profits to their shareholders. So they're trying to find a way to maximize profits, as is their raise the prices. So if they're saying, we delivered X amount last year and we want to hit that target this year, but we got to pay more in taxes, then you will likely see them try to make up that money in some way. And it's because they are legally obligated to make profit for the shareholders. They have to pursue their fiduciary responsibility.

[Andrew Wilson]

Now, I will say, so you're saying if we lower corporate tax rates, again, like he's talking about another maybe 5, 10%, he's even saying that will lower the cost of these goods.

[Tim Pool]

It depends on the company. Yes. And it goes a couple different directions when you increase taxes. So outside of the public realm, when they increase taxes on us, we actually spend more. So all that does is stimulate economic activity to a certain degree. It's. Economics is tough. And I'm not an economist. What I can tell you is for a company like ours, which is singly owned by me with no responsibility to the public, when they say, tim, your tax rate is going up by, you know, 8% or whatever, I say, okay, so if at the end of the year I have $100,000 and I got to pay 40k to the government, I'd rather just spend that 40k on my tax deductible equipment allotment and then hold a $40,000, I don't know, van as equipment that I don't pay taxes on because tax deductible up to a million dollars. And so then I buy a van from a salesman, then the salesman makes money, then the dealership is cycling inventory. However, we don't have shareholders. If you have shareholders, you have a fiduciary responsibility to generate profit. So you're going to be cutting the costs everywhere and trying to figure out where to make more money. Because you can't just push your profits. If you're a publicly traded company and you say, let's just spend our profits into the market so that we can, you know, so we don't got to pay.

[Andrew Wilson]

Shareholders don't have profit.

[Tim Pool]

Boom. And now you're not. You're not delivering profits to the shareholders. Shares are going to sell. No one's going to want to be in the company. So you're actually going, no, no, no. We got to make money. We can't do that.

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, up the. Up the cost of the good.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

That's the. That's the primary way that that's done. Well, up the cost of the good.

[Raymond]

I thought going public was always a good thing. Now you're making it sound like a bad thing.

[Tim Pool]

It's a good thing for the people who own the company are trying to cash out. Usually going public is like, let's say I took Tim Cast public.

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We calculated the revenue. And then I said, I'm going to sell 30% to the public for $30 million or whatever. I get $30 million in cash. And then now the company is publicly owned traded. With all these rules and regulations, the company probably falls to crap. This is why you get butylated hydroxy toluene in your food. Because they're like, look, if we make cereal and it lasts on a shelf for two weeks and it gets thrown in the garbage, we lose money. If we put bht, it costs a little bit more, but it lasts four weeks, we're going to sell it. So for instance, what happened to us recently is that Casper coffee decaf, we had a batch expire, which means it's, it's been sitting for a year. So we ordered, we order around 5,000 units of each coffee at a time. And then the Ian's graphene dream sold out like crazy.

[Raymond]

Quick shout out, Ian.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, so it's, it's. I'm sorry, let me Clarify. We order 5,000 bags and they make the coffee in small batches every so often. We had a, we had a batch made of Unwoke and we didn't sell any. So it expired. They tell us it's actually fine to drink, but as per regulation, it's expired, you probably don't want it anymore. And so on our end we just lose that. If we were to try and figure out a way to do like higher end preservative or whatever, we wouldn't have that problem. We wouldn't have to worry about product that doesn't sell. So anyway, that's why we did it. We ended up doing a sale on Unwoke for the remaining that didn't expire because I think we had like 500 that was made. So people hit us up saying they want a decaf. So we made a couple hundred, I think five or six hundred and then sold barely any. And the rest just sat around and we were like, we have 5,000 bags of this sitting around, so we're probably going to order it much smaller batches is much smaller. I think each batch is usually like a couple hundred, couple hundred bags. And they sell pretty quick. But that's, that's why they're going to put chemicals and garbage in your food because they save money and they have a responsibility to their share.

[Raymond]

Yeah, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, yep. That's why people eat garbage, not it. All right, let's go. Yeah. What did I, I didn't eat anything today, actually.

[Phil Labonte]

Very bad for you.

[Tim Pool]

I had my omelet as per usual and I had two protein shakes. I had Two of these meat sticks in which I think the ingredients are all easily discernible. Citric acid, pepper, cultured celery powder. You know, it's fine and, but I had no time. Just crazy busy day. Yikes.

[Raymond]

Real quick, are you doing like five, seven videos a day now? I'm noticing six. Okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then, you know, I'm trying to, I have to record early to get Friday, Saturday and Sunday done.

[Raymond]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

This weekend I only had one each, but I'm trying to figure out.

[Andrew Wilson]

Thought you were backing way off because of, because of the kid.

[Tim Pool]

We got something in the works.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And so there's a, you know, we got something in the works. It's, it's, it's rough. So we're, we're working on with the new year ad sales which we. So here, here's the double edged sword, I guess. We don't do ad reads and we never did. Like, I'm sorry. We do some sometimes but rarely. Top of the show, we did home title lock.

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We usually just shout Casper Coffee. It's our own company. Because I, I don't look in the morning, I find news articles. I read the news, I hit record, I rant, I had done. I'm done. Recently I've been shouting out Casper because we want to promote our own stuff and make money off it. There's a solution. We need to hire a CEO. We hire a CEO or we take investment. Right now the strategy is we got a couple companies that want to do ad sales. So every segment we put out will have like a 45 second to a minute ad read in it, which is what we never want to do. But I suppose it's better than not doing any shows ever again. And then IRL is likely going to have one ad read at the top and one at 9:30 before we do super chats.

[Raymond]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

So a pre and a mid roll that is going to generate enough revenue where I can hire two CEOs or an executive team to just run things. The alternative is we're also negotiating with more extensive deals like strategic investment and things like that. And so for the time being I'm just trying to work as much as I can especially too because we're taking next Wednesday, Thursday and Friday off for the holiday and then for Christmas. The whole week of Christmas is just, there's, you know, look guys, I don't want to take any time off. I'd love to work through the holidays but we tried this and you can't book guests so there's just nothing you.

[Raymond]

Know, so I'll probably do in house because I'm bored. Last year I was like, I was like, f I have a whole week. I'm not used to none of my jobs having a whole week off.

[Tim Pool]

I. Everybody's got family stuff on Thanksgiving.

[Raymond]

I mean, true.

[Tim Pool]

And so, you know, I was asking Phil, like, maybe Phil could do Wednesday. But Phil's got Thanksgiving. Then we don't got production crew.

[Raymond]

I meant for the Christmas area. But dude, the whole week is a lot for, you know, just in general.

[Tim Pool]

We need. You need driver. I know you need camera production. It's at least like three people and a guest. And so it's like nobody's coming here on, on the day before Christmas Eve.

[Raymond]

Did you have a bunch of cancellations a couple years ago because people couldn't make it?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then we ended up booking last minute local guests who were friends.

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And then we were like, this was a mistake. Right. Viewership is down. And that's fine because we believe in doing the work, but you can't get people to come out. And I don't blame them for it. So I'm like, I think we should just be like every other normal person and just take the holidays to go see family. And then that's our, that's our vacation time. And then I think we're planning on coming back on like the 2nd of January.

[Raymond]

Nice.

[Tim Pool]

So I'm trying to work as much as possible until then and you know, we'll see, we'll see. But we're talking with a couple of the really big ad sales networks and it sounds really great. We've, we've, we've brought on someone already who's managing things and handling a lot of the heavy lifting. And so a couple routes we can do is strategic investment slash buyout, which I don't know if it's possible, and then I don't. All I got to do is the show and I don't got to worry about anything.

[Raymond]

Jason Dixon will buy you out. Remember him?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. The alternative is strategic investment, which is simple.

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Somebody who runs a media company, buys a small portion of the company and then assumes management. I still reap most of the benefits, but they're in charge. I sit back and say, tell me when to read the ad. We'll do the show. But then also it's hire a CEO and executive management team to do all the work. For that we need to make a lot more money. And so this is the point in Shark Tank where the guy shows up and says, I Got a big company, we're making lots of money, but we're at a point where we're hitting our heads as founders. We're not CEOs, and then we need X amount of money in order to do this for us. We make enough money to where if we just decide to do the ad reads, we're going to generate enough money. And that solves a lot of problem. It's still really annoying trying to find the CEO to run things.

[Raymond]

I bet.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Because look, for all the people who are like, I could do it, hire me. It's like, you don't.

[Andrew Wilson]

You don't.

[Raymond]

Yeah. I never said CEO. This. Get this on the open.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's just no way. We've talked to people about proper management and there's things you just, just. You really do have to have the expertise. That's why strategic investment is the much better option. Somebody who's already networked with all the podcast networks, television networks, ad sales companies. Hiring someone to do that and being like, okay, for the next six months, try and build the Rolodex is just. It's a really difficult thing. We'll see, though. We'll see, though. I've been having a bunch of meetings and I say it's. It's all very good news. It's all very good news.

[Raymond]

Excellent.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. And then there's still the possibility of switching only to the morning show, but we'll see. We'll see. I'm trying to avoid that because, I mean, now Tim Guy Styrell is doing better than ever. Well, not better than ever. Covid was a weird time, but since the end of the pandemic. Yeah, our numbers are fantastic. Revenue projections are ridiculous. We're taking over, podcast, presidency, all that stuff. It'd be stupid to get rid of what is typically the biggest News show on YouTube. Yeah.

[Raymond]

Were we number one last week or something? We're usually, well, at least live for the prime time.

[Tim Pool]

We're always number one. Prime time?

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, not always always, but like 8 of the time. Sure, sometimes some guy will do League of Legends and beat us, but. But we beat all of the other big news streams. Like today our peak encourage like 61k.

[Raymond]

Nice.

[Tim Pool]

You know, and so even when, Even when we get 40, you know, a few months ago, that was still usually the top. If you go on YouTube's live, so there's no reason in just abandoning ship, but we definitely need to expand and then bring people in, so that's that good sign.

[Raymond]

That means you're blowing up, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[Raymond]

Right. I mean, in a way, it's, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Tough because, you know, 16 hour days. You know what I mean?

[Raymond]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I feel you.

[Raymond]

I see, I see it and I work with. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So that, that, that's the big challenge with all these other companies that want to do some kind of deal. It's like, look, man, I'm not doing a morning couple hour recording like mo. Like all these other hosts that do all these shows, they'll record for an hour or two hours and then they leave. And I'm like, no, I'm here sun up, sundown. And if you want both of these shows in some capacity, you know, either ad sales, like so the ad sales, right. They're saying, okay, Tim, we want to sell ads on your show, we sell them up front. I say, okay. That means I'm working 16 hour days. It alleviates. I can hire someone to alleviate all of the heavy lifting and split my day in two. But like, this deal is, it's, it's. It's a lot more difficult than your average podcaster who's like, I record till three and then I'm done.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It was funny. I was talking to Joe Rogan and he asked me how much I recorded per day. I was like, I think four hours. And he's like, so just four hours per day? That's it. It's still only four hours. And I was like, no, Joe, that's. It's like four hours plus ten hours of research. It's just. It's nuts. It's like I wake up, I'm reading the news non stop. I record in between recording, I'm reading, then I eat, exercise, and then I get ready for the, for the, for the late night show.

[Raymond]

Yeah. You like live here?

[Tim Pool]

Almost, yeah. All right, let's grab some more. Greta. Thanos says it's not revenge, it's righteous fury. Look upon my work. See mighty and despair. Terrible quote I must say in. In reference to what you're talking about. The Ozymandias quote was a reference to a great and powerful pharaoh who was territory over mighty kingdom that had been left to ruin. The point was that time makes fools of us all. So to say it's not revenge. Look upon my works, ye mighty in despair. As if to imply that after a long enough period of time, Trump's power will wane and his effectiveness will be nil. So. But I do love Ozymandias. Who is, wait, Percy Jackson? No, the poet was Percy Bishop. Shelley. Tell me I'm getting that right. Let me See? Do you know Ozymandias, right? Percy Bish Shelley. Am I pronouncing that wrong? Probably because I read it and I don't know how to pronounce the guy's name. It's a guy, right, Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

He.

[Tim Pool]

I was correct. Percy Bischelli. Yes. I'm very happy when I remember stupid things like that. Anyway, Ozymandias is an awesome poem. Let's go. All right, we got distracting. Game says Destiny and Hassan should both be banned from all platforms and imprisoned for the threats for violence. They've both called for violence.

[Raymond]

Destiny has. He said for the MAGA people to start shooting the writers in the street a couple times.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Raymond]

Yeah, I got it posted.

[Tim Pool]

So he got real mad at me and went off after I said. And I feel like I said it quite dispassionately that he's not welcome on this show, not because I have beef with him, but because he glorifies violence and murder. And that's against the rules. You can't go on a show and advocate for, glorify or celebrate someone dying. This is a very harsh YouTube rule. If we invited him on when his whole shtick at that period was consistently gloating and bragging and calling for more, I'm like, we'll just get banned, so we can't do that. He got really mad and then said something about Laura Loomer was on the show. And I'm like, we took that episode down.

[Raymond]

It was like this. And Tim shut it down.

[Tim Pool]

And the other thing too is about. About Laura is that she was making a point that I don't think was ban worthy. She was making a point that the codified penalty for treason is death. And I said, yeah, we can't call for death penalty. We don't do that. He gloated and glorified. It's very different. Laura's. Laura's response is, I'll try to be more cognizant of the rules. I didn't realize his attitude is, so what if I said it, I'll say it again. So I'm like, you see the difference in why Laura's not banned from the show? It's because her attitude is, no, no, no, I don't want to get you banned. We want to do a good show and talk about important things.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but they're never going to be good faith about that.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I know.

[Andrew Wilson]

He's never going to be like, okay, yeah, that was totally reasonable. And you know what? When I go back on his platform in the future, I'll Respect his platform under the assumption he would respect mine. Never going to happen. Never going to happen.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why I said he's. It's. I was like, I got no beef. He's a guy with different political opinions. He can say what he wants, but, you know, for that reason, he won't come on. And he's lost it now since then. He's.

[Raymond]

Jesus.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely lost it. I actually think it's when his wife left him. The cuckold. Well, I mean, I'm not going to tell. Yeah, I'm not. You know, you can call whatever you want. I'm just saying whatever happened between him and his wife clearly was devastating for him.

[Phil Labonte]

It happened to. Between his wife and someone else.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, his wife left him. That's fair for somebody else. And his only. His only opportunity, it seems, is to lean into it and say, so what? I don't care. Because he's being attacked for something pretty brutal for any man.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Raymond]

If you're married to a woman. And holy moly.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I mean, what's the story of Marcus Aurelius? His wife cheated on him. So she, she. He murdered the man she cheated with, Boiled his blood and then bathed her in it or something. I didn't know that. Was that the story of Marcus Aurelius?

[Raymond]

That's kind of stoic. Didn't Marcus.

[Tim Pool]

Something like his wife cheated on him.

[Raymond]

Let me see.

[Tim Pool]

And then. No, no, no. Maybe didn't boil the blood. He killed the guy and poured the blood on her in public or something.

[Raymond]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Something like that. Yeah. I don't know. That's. I, I don't know enough about Marcus Aurelius. I just read that on the Internet somewhere. Look that up.

[Phil Labonte]

We're looking right now.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. You got it, Phil?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I don't have it. I'm looking. No, I mean, but I mean, look, Destiny is like. He's a bad. He's bad faith all the time. Yes. I mean, that's, that's not. There's no, like, debate about that. So, I mean, good riddance, you know.

[Raymond]

I mean, one of my favorite things on X that I enjoy is dunking on, like, Destiny and some of these other far leftist, crazy, lunatic people, you know, just, it's, you know, I don't have. I don't have a. You know, an X is fun, but when you get a chance to be like, this guy's crazy and psycho and out of his freaking mind, that's fun to share with the world. Right?

[Andrew Wilson]

Well, we've been, We've been pretty. We've been pretty much laughing nonstop at Destiny for about a half a year, right? Because.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah, I made it.

[Andrew Wilson]

He's gone.

[Raymond]

Oh, that's right. You worked on your. And you're.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, he's gone. He's gone progressively more insane. You know what I mean? As he has. His community has gone progressively more insane with him. And so you can kind of collectively laugh at all of them because it's pretty funny.

[Phil Labonte]

So Marcus Realist didn't do. Didn't kill his wife.

[Tim Pool]

It is. It is not correct.

[Phil Labonte]

Younger was his wife.

[Tim Pool]

I guess I was reading that the claims that she cheated and that he took any kind of retribution are largely mix ups based on other myths.

[Phil Labonte]

So it's a good story.

[Tim Pool]

Not everything you read on the Internet is true. It's terrible.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, Destiny's. I mean, look, Destiny is gonna sit there and, and lash out at people that, you know, he feels like have slighted him somehow. That's why he. He attacks Tim. Because, I mean, Tim was. Tim was gracious enough to have him on the show. And, And Tim gave him props because he.

[Raymond]

He. He agreed with Kyle Rittenhouse.

[Phil Labonte]

And until. Until Destiny started saying things that were.

[Tim Pool]

His wife left him.

[Raymond]

Yeah, well.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, yeah, but I mean, the, the reason that you just articulated about why he's not welcome on the show until he started saying things, you know, speaking about violence and stuff like, that Tim would welcome him on the show, you know, like, him on twice. So he's just. He's just salty because Tim was like, oh, you know, I'm not going to have you on here because you're saying things about endorsing violence, you know, so, yeah, we.

[Tim Pool]

The first time we had him on, as we were getting ready for the show, I was like, you know, we're gonna agree on, like, most things. And he's like, like, what? And I was like, like, when it comes to tax policy and stuff, we're probably gonna agree on these things. And he's like, well, I don't know. And then we largely did. However. He is evil.

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, he is.

[Tim Pool]

I don't mean that. I'm not saying this to be emotional disparaging. He literally said on the show that Democrats should use crises as a means to manipulate the public to implement the change they want. And I was like, ah, okay, that's evil. And I was like, we were talking about. I can't remember. I think we're talking about COVID And I said, democrats are manipulating the crisis to make these changes. He goes, when else would they do it? And I was like, but that's wrong. And he's like, why? I was like, well, okay. I was like, that's an opinion you're allowed to have, I guess. Thank you for expressing that. All right. Stephanie X. Says Tim.

[Andrew Wilson]

I mean, from there, from their worldview, though. That makes sense.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Stephanie X. Says Tim. And you inspired me to open a business. I have placed a rock on the pile every day. Now we have launched. It is a way to buy or sell local farm animals and similar items. We could use the service to bring Tim cast chickens to the world. Let's talk.

[Raymond]

Ooh, I love it.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. We were talking about making Chicken City brand chickens.

[Raymond]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.

[Tim Pool]

And then basically just selling them. So whereas a normal chicken could be like 5, 20 bucks, we'd sell them for 6 to 21 bucks or something. They're Chicken City brand.

[Raymond]

Do they get like a tag or like a tattoo on their legs or something?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I don't know. Just you can put the little bands on them to identify them as part of the flock.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We're building Roberto his own house because new Chicken City is live. And so the chicken meter and all that is available. If you go to chicken city live.com you can watch our chickens. And if you give a super chat, an automatic dispenser will drop mealworms for them.

[Raymond]

Yeah, Chris has it hooked up all nice and it's a big old area and then like, Kim just opened up the outside, so pretty soon they're gonna be able to go outside.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Raymond]

Big old nice area over there.

[Tim Pool]

And every hundred dollars that goes in, the chicken party goes off and it plays music and disco lights and the chickens run over and they eat. Let's go. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that, like, button? Subscribe to this channel. Share the show with everyone you know. Become a [e-mail] to join the movement. A lot of people ask, like, hey, how do I get involved? Well, if you join our discord [e-mail] 10 bucks a month, easy. There's also higher tiers, like the silver tier, 25 bucks. You get access to special chat rooms. You get to hang out with people, share ideas, there's meetups. But also you get access to our uncensored members only show. So we produce bonus content Monday through Thursday at 10pm where you as members get to call in. And we're going to be going to that show right now, so don't miss it. Go to timcast.com right now. Smash the like button share the show if you do like it. Word of mouth is how podcasts grow. You can follow me on X and Instagram, Imcast. Andrew, do you want to shout anything out? Shout anything out?

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah. You can find me over on the Crucible. It is again popular Entertainment channel on YouTube. You can also become a member of my website. That is the Crucible video. That's where we put our entire back catalog. All of our bits, skits, songs, everything in between and yeah, that's it.

[Raymond]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Raymond G. Stanley Jr. You can follow me on X at. Raymond G. Stanley, I just want to say, Andrew, it was great to meet you officially because you and your Lovely lady are. Ms. Rachel are like one of my new favorite folks who speak a good message. So I appreciate you coming on and being a chance to talk to you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, happy to do it.

[Raymond]

And ladies and gentlemen, today's Monday, so we're gonna do Marine Corps Monday here in the Discord. Join the Discord and the after show and it's called the after Dark show. Myself and Slick will be hosting the After Dark show as soon as I can because I'm driving from here now. But yeah, come join Discord. Great community. Tim's outline. People got married. It's such a great community. It's good, it's fun. We have calls to action. Phil.

[Phil Labonte]

Hey. I am Phil that remains on Twix where you can subscribe for more extra content. I am Phil that remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. You can check out our brand new video for no tomorrow as well as a let you go.

[Raymond]

What about the snowflake one or the.

[Phil Labonte]

What's their snowflake one?

[Raymond]

No, no, no, the latest one.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. Forever cold.

[Tim Pool]

Cold.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, Forever cold. No tomorrow divine and let You Go are three brand new songs that we've released in the past six months. You can check it out on YouTube, Spotify, Pandora, Deezer and Apple Music. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime. Get over to the right real quick.

[Tim Pool]

I just want to mention this because I'm just seeing the story right now. I don't. I don't know if it's new. No, it's from earlier in the day. I just want to point this out. The numbers on the Alex Jones bids were just released. Oh, one company is fuac, which is the supplement sales I believe Jones may be associated with or some.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. They say he's associated with it. They put in a bid for all of infowars assets at 3.5 million. They claim the Onion put in 1.75 million for Infowars. And they said that. They said, let's see. Connecticut families promising some 1.75 million cash, in addition to a waiver from the Connecticut families promising some proceeds from the sale of Infowars assets, which Connecticut families valued at 2.625 million, according to the filing. FUAC said accepting the Onions bid was collusion and argued that including the contingent waiver and its valuation was improper. So if this supplement company offered double what the Onion was bidding for, there's some impropriety there. And now that I'm seeing these numbers, 3.5.

[Raymond]

Feels kind of small, though, in general.

[Tim Pool]

Kind of thinking of putting a bid for Info.

[Raymond]

Oh, okay. Let's go.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, look, the brand is the brand. I mean, I don't know that tinfo wars.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, if 3.5 is. Is a bid that's going in for assets of 2.6, but you get Infowars. I mean, that's kind of crazy, because I feel like any bitcoin millionaire could just fart. You buy it.

[Raymond]

Jason Dixon just throws it out there, you know?

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I'm not. That's not even a joke. Jason, if you're listening, you should buy InfoWars. Yeah.

[Raymond]

3.5. Forget about it.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wow.

[Raymond]

And he lives down in the Texas area.

[Tim Pool]

Really? Yeah. Let's go to the members only show. We'll talk more about this stuff. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you all [e-mail].