FBI & GOP EXPOSE "Coup" Against TRUMP, Democrat Operative FELONIES Covered Up w/ Tony Kinnett

Summary

Timcast IRL: FBI & GOP Expose "Coup" Against Trump, Democrat Operative Felonies Covered Up with Tony Kennett

Release Date: May 29, 2025

In this compelling episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves deep into the newly declassified FBI and DOJ documents that shed light on what he terms a "soft coup" orchestrated against former President Donald Trump. Joining him are guests Tony Kennett, national correspondent from the Daily Signal, Ian Crossland, and Phil Labonte, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains. Together, they unpack the intricate web of political maneuvering, corruption, and media manipulation that has shaped recent American politics.

1. Unveiling Crossfire Hurricane and the Alleged Coup

The episode kicks off with Tim Pool introducing the release of the Crossfire Hurricane documents by FBI's Cash Patel. These documents, disclosed a month and a half prior, reveal extensive efforts by both Republican and Democratic operatives to undermine Trump's administration. Pool describes the DOJ's actions as a "coup in quotes," emphasizing the bipartisan nature of the attempts to stifle Trump's presidency.

Notable Quote:

"They kind of did a coup. So we were like, coup in quotes. Maybe some people might wanna call it a hard Coup."
— Tim Pool [00:00]

2. The Role of Chuck Grassley and Declassified Evidence

Central to the discussion is Senator Chuck Grassley's decision to declassify these documents. Grassley asserts that the records prove that Fusion GPS contractor Nellie Orr lied to Congress about her contributions to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. The revelation points to a deliberate cover-up within the DOJ, highlighting a persistent political bias against Trump.

Notable Quote:

"Newly declassified FBI documents prove Fusion GPS Contractor Nellie Orr lied to Congress... It reveals the agency's deeply disturbing political bias and that they never suffered consequences for advancing the phony Trump-Russia narrative."
— Chuck Grassley (as referenced by Tim Pool) [10:17]

3. Defining the Events: Coup, Sedition, or Conspiracy?

Tony Kennett and Phil Labonte engage in a heated debate about the appropriate terminology to describe these events. Kennett argues that the operations against Trump constitute a seditious conspiracy, given the multifaceted efforts to impeach and discredit him without overtly seizing power.

Notable Quote:

"They perpetuated this for years. And their goal, I would argue, is easily defined as sedition."
— Tim Pool [10:17]

4. Corruption Within the DOJ and Intelligence Agencies

The conversation expands to include broader issues of corruption within government agencies. The guests discuss how high-ranking officials, including James Comey and Christopher Wray, have misleadingly handled investigations, further eroding public trust in the FBI and DOJ.

Notable Quote:

"The DOJ's inaction on Nellie Orr's criminal referral, despite the obviously incriminating evidence provided in the FBI's own analysis, undermines public trust in the rule of law."
— Chuck Grassley (as referenced by Tim Pool) [10:17]

5. Media Manipulation and the Decline of Traditional News Outlets

A significant portion of the episode critiques the current state of the media. Tony Kennett highlights the declining trust and viewership of traditional news outlets like MSNBC and USA Today, attributing it to the network's inability to adapt to the evolving media landscape dominated by individual influencers and podcasting.

Notable Quote:

"MSNBC's new primetime lineup... failed to connect with viewers. They dropped 41% in the primetime demo and 34% in total day demo."
— Tim Pool [68:10]

6. The Rise of Independent Media and Podcasting

Tim Pool and his guests advocate for the rise of independent media platforms like their own podcast, emphasizing the importance of authentic, uncensored discussions free from mainstream media biases. They argue that podcasts offer a closer, more personal connection with audiences, filling the void left by failing traditional outlets.

Notable Quote:

"Traditional networks are trying to own people. The people realize I can just do this myself."
— Ian Crossland [72:19]

7. Broader Political and Social Issues

Beyond the primary topic, the episode touches on various other issues, including:

• UFO Sightings in Colombia: The guests discuss recent viral UFO sightings, debating their authenticity and the possibility of them being alien technology or elaborate hoaxes.

  Notable Quote:

  "It's a UFO sphere... Maybe a hoax, maybe not. Who knows?"
  — Tim Pool [83:50]

• COVID Origin Investigations: Dan Bongino's tweets about ongoing COVID origin investigations are dissected, linking them to broader narratives about political corruption and mishandling.

  Notable Quote:

  "If Dan Bongino legitimately says we are actively investigating and taking a look at the lab leak... then you have to ask why Fauci lied to Congress."
  — Tim Pool [46:34]

• Cultural Wars and Media Bias: The conversation delves into the "culture war," critiquing how media representations and political narratives are shaping public perception and polarizing society.

  Notable Quote:

  "They used this to completely freeze and hamstring every single law enforcement agency in this country."
  — Tony Kennett [13:04]

8. Conclusion and Future Implications

As the episode wraps up, Tim Pool expresses hope that the release of these documents will lead to a significant snowball effect, bringing to light more instances of corruption and bias within government agencies. The guests emphasize the need for continued transparency and accountability to restore public trust and uphold the rule of law.

Notable Quote:

"The dam has broken. I'm hoping that this continues and that Cash is correct. Many people have been asking why aren't Dan and Cash going after the public corruption?"
— Tim Pool [25:03]

Key Takeaways

• Crossfire Hurricane documents reveal bipartisan efforts to undermine Trump's presidency, characterized as a "soft coup" or seditious conspiracy.
• Chuck Grassley's declassification of FBI records exposes lies and cover-ups within the DOJ, eroding trust in government institutions.
• Media Decline: Traditional news outlets are losing credibility and viewership, while independent media like podcasts are gaining traction for their authentic and uncensored content.
• Ongoing Investigations: New investigations into COVID origins and other high-profile cases highlight persistent corruption and bias in American governance.
• Broader Debates: Discussions extend to UFO sightings, AI advancements, and the intensifying cultural wars, reflecting the complex interplay between politics, media, and society.

This episode of Timcast IRL offers a deep dive into the machinations behind political corruption and media manipulation, urging listeners to seek truth and accountability in an increasingly polarized landscape.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Ladies and gentlemen, it has begun. Now, apparently the story actually is a bit old. This is actually maybe two, maybe about a month and a half ago, Cash Patel at the FBI released the Crossfire Hurricane documents to the gop. But this is a large trove of documents. Now, what is that? Oh, boy. This is a complicated story. For those that are not familiar, this was the operation by the DOJ against Donald Trump, what I would effectively call with air quotes, a coup. And we were having a discussion as we launched the show. How do we describe what these operatives did, both from the Republican side and Democrat side together, to hamstring the Trump administration to take away his ability to be president, to stifle anything he tried to do? We all kind of looked at each other. It's like it's not really a coup. They didn't take over, but they kind of did. So we were like, coup in quotes. Maybe some people might wanna call it a hard Coup, but in 2016, Donald Trump was accused of being a Russian spy. Fake information was disseminated. He was then investigated years because Democrats could not accept. Hillary Clinton lost. Well, now we have new information coming out from declassified documents proving that in 2019, the FBI had evidence that one of the operatives involved in the hoax was lying to Congress, the DOJ, and the FBI, and they covered it up. There was no prosecution, just sort of went away. But hold on. This is under Bill Barr. This is Donald Trump's doj. How did this not get exposed? That one of the individuals involved in bringing together all of this fake news, this fake information, which is used to destroy or to hinder, I should say, Trump's first term, how was this person not charged for what appears to be multiple felonies? And this now coming from Chuck Grassley's office. It was only after Cash Patel got in that he released these documents. And in an interview with Brett Baer on Fox News, he says he found documents he didn't even know existed and they were in places they thought he'd never look. It looks like it's starting and I hope that's the case that we are going to see the FBI and the DOJ go after the corruption, not just from Democrats, but this is also Republicans covering up what these operatives were doing to make sure Donald Trump would not be able to do his job as president. Now, some might call that seditious conspiracy particular, perhaps a bit long winded, but maybe that's the best way to describe it. The challenge we have for you today with this story is especially as we're Going through the headlines is there is so much information to break down going back almost 10 years to understand how operatives, foreign intelligence assets, individuals on both parties were colluding to make sure Donald Trump could not have a first term. This is a tough story, but we're going to get through it. So smash that like button. Share the show. Before we get started, we do have some great sponsors. First up we got Brian. Bear skin, my friends. You know bear skin. I was wearing that jacket before. I don't know if Phil had. Phil's got it. He's got his bear skin jacket. These are great jackets.

[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Tony Kennett]

I'm Tony Kinn, national correspondent over at the Daily Signal run a show called the Tony Kennett Cast Broadcast Podcast radio, you know, media and guy from Indiana that makes fun of the libs and exposes all kind of nonsense every day of the week. It's good fun.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Well, thanks for hang out. Should be fun. Ian's here.

[Ian Crossland]

Tim. Thanks for having me. I brought my guitar. I was jamming so hard before we went live. Can we just calm down for a minute? It was intense. Hi everybody. I'm happy to be back. Ian Crossland in the house. I was down in Miami for a few weeks spending time with Luke Rai. We did a bunch of shows that was terrible. Crazy alien stuff. There's so much like, like bizarre. I mean, AI the way.

[Tim Pool]

The buga sphere.

[Ian Crossland]

No, bro. Yeah, let's go into it.

[Tim Pool]

I was talking to Ashton Forbes earlier and there's a lot of people who don't like that guy. The buga sphere. Maybe we should talk about it. In Colombia there was a sphere. They have video of it floating in the sky. They knock it down and when they start, they get researchers to look at it. It's almost solid metal with weird internal structures that it looks like solid metal, but it was floating. Maybe a hoax, maybe not. Who knows if it is?

[Tony Kennett]

That's the first time that it's not been over the southwestern United States. That's news in and of itself.

[Phil Labonte]

Incredible.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Anyway, Boogasphere.

[Ian Crossland]

I like that word.

[Phil Labonte]

What's up, everybody? My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and counter revolutionary. Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the story from the New York Post. Holy crap, it's starting. My friends. Nelly or Justice Department officials wife perjured herself with demonstrably false Trump Russia testimony. Bombshell FBI records. I'm, I just want to say right off the bat, the New York Post is leading with this as a, as a demonstrably true statement. Okay, There's, I mean, this is a headline where they're opening themselves up to liability for, for pointing this out. But they're, they're, they're saying, hey, don't look at me. FBI records are pointing this out. This is in the news now as a fact. Okay? The person who compiled smears and lies against Donald Trump, which, which, which basically ramped up the Russia hoax which was used to stop Donald Trump, even a component is impeachment. This person was lying. According to these documents, the wife of former DOJ official gave demonstrably false testimony to Congress about her involvement in drafting and disseminating a Since. Dis. Since debunked dossiers about Trump's purported collusion with Russia in 2016, according to a bombshell trove of internal FBI records released by Senator Chuck Grassley. Nelly or worked with the research firm Fusion GPS when it was hired in the lead to the 2016 election to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign's alleged links to the Russian to Russian organized crime, but later told the House panel she did not know about the DOJ's panel investigation into the matter. Now I want to jump straight to Chuck Grassley. Grassley.senate.gov Newly declassified FBI documents proves Fusion GPS contractor Nelly or lied to Congress about contributions to Crossfire Hurricane, quote, by lying to Congress Nelly or showed contempt for congressional oversight in the American people. What's more, The FBI and DOJ's failure to hold or accountable for appearing to commit multiple felonies and its obstructive conduct against agents that sought additional information reveals the agency's deeply disturbing political bias or never suffered consequences for advancing the phony Trump Russia narrative and attempting to cover up her involvement in the hoax. Yet time and again, the American justice system has been weaponized against President Trump and his associates with reckless abandon. The DOJ's inaction on Nelly Orr's criminal referral, despite the obviously incriminating evidence provided in the FBI's own analysis, undermines public trust in the rule of law. I applaud Director Patel, Attorney General Bondi, and Deputy Attorney General Blanch for cooperating with my request to declassify this information, which is in the public's interest, and chart a new course for transparency and accountability at the FBI and doj. Here's a challenge for the American people right now. We are talking about 10 years ago, when this is all kicking off between nine and 10 years ago, depending on how reductive you want to get. There are many young people we've had on this show who were not politically active nor paying attention when this was going down. And they only know Trump for who he is today, not what. What was done to conspire against him. I would say soft coup. They didn't take over the government necessarily. They didn't go in with guns and remove Trump from office, but they did try to impeach him. They used this as evidence of his illicit activities, claiming that the Ukraine impeachment was motivated by his ties to Russia. They. They perpetuated this for years. And their goal, I would argue, is easily defined as sedition. And who is they? Democrats, Republicans, and members of our own intelligence agencies.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean, establishment figures all around. Please, go ahead.

[Tony Kennett]

No, it's just really ironic that right now you have an entire class of individuals, those on the media and the Democratic left, who are losing their minds over these individuals being fired in the bureaucratic administration who did exactly what Trump said that he. That they had did, that they spent his entire first administration blocking every action that he did, hamstringing every single thing that his administration brought forward. And for what? Just to make up some kind of phony story about Russian dancers in urine to suggest that Trump was somehow in with the Russian mob because they didn't like that Trump might come in and wreck the gravy train? It was all true the entire time.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that's worth pointing to. I think the average person, when they hear about the Russia story, there's so many people that have talked about Trump's involvement with Russia, they lose sight of the fact that it was actually. The accusation was that Trump was involved with the Russian mafia, not that Trump was actually working for Russia. Right. For the Government of Russia. And that's one of the things that, to be honest with you, I didn't even. I hadn't been cognizant of until I was reading through this. The post on Chuck Grassley's site is the fact that it was a connection or the. It was alleged that he had a connection to the Russian mafia, not that he was an agent of Putin. And now it's transformed into the. In the most ridiculous sense. People were saying that he was a KGB agent back in the 80s. Yeah, he was a sleeper. Yeah. You know, he had a code name and stuff, which is completely, obviously, completely ridiculous. But it points to how these, these, these stories got blown completely out of proportion that went from literally nothing, you know, fabricated by, by an oppo research company and turned into he's a Russian agent. And it's actually stuck on the left. The left genuinely believes that he is or has some kind of connection to the Russian government.

[Ian Crossland]

And what is it? In the, in the 90s, one of his companies did a deal with some Russian, you know, landowner that. To make a hotel somewhere. It turned out that guy's brother was in the Russian mob. Is that like the connection that they're talking about?

[Phil Labonte]

No, this is the Crossfire Hurricane. And this stuff, this, the steel dossier, that was totally fabricated, like there was.

[Tony Kennett]

And they suggested that, like, somehow the Russian mafia had gotten some blackmail on Trump with some secret tapes and that there was this kind of p. Tapes, remember? Yeah, that kind of nonsense. But that's not even. The craziness of. That is not the point. The point is that they used this to completely freeze and hamstring every single law enforcement agency in this country. We don't even know what reports or referrals made it to whom. That shouldn't be happening. This isn't 1925 where you hand that, Get a folder and run this down to the chief. Yeah. No, you send the referral directly. Who knew what.

[Tim Pool]

It got intercepted, didn't it?

[Tony Kennett]

I mean, that's, that's on the table.

[Ian Crossland]

Or Bill Barr saw it and just was like, let's just pretend that doesn't exist.

[Tim Pool]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bill Barr was like, I wonder if, if, if I'm going to be generous. His attitude was, wow, this is really bad, but let's de. Escalate things and just put a stop to it now.

[Tony Kennett]

Like, let's not get too hasty kind of a thing.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, more like a, you know, these people should go to jail because what they did is very criminal. However, that could lead to escalation politically and destabilization. So let's just stop where we are. He seemed like the kind of guy who's going to be like, now. Now they're guys like most Republicans, right? The traditional ones being like, slow down there, Democrats. Bill Barr season, he goes, oof. You know, that's a lot of work to deal with. And it's gonna create a historical political firestorm. So let's just everybody, we'll call it a bad hair day, go about our business. I think that's a plausible. Bill Barr was like, I don't wanna do this because it's hard, it's big.

[Ian Crossland]

And then it starts implicating anybody that's perjured themselves, which is like James Clapper saying that he know me.

[Tim Pool]

All of them. Yeah.

[Tony Kennett]

Christopher Wray especially. I mean, we already have Christopher Wray on the record for lying over how and when he met with Joe Biden.

[Tim Pool]

And, and, and take a look at how the Supreme Court handles these epic cases. And I mean, epic as in like, grandiose historical moments. Texas v. Pennsylvania in the 2020 election. What does the Supreme Court say? But I don't wanna. So they say, no, it is the. It is the obligation of the Supreme Court to handle lawsuits at the state level in what's called original jurisdiction. Now, that's my opinion. I'm not a legal scholar. I'm sure there'll be legal scholars saying Tim Pool's wrong. Supreme Court can take what they want.

[Tony Kennett]

It's gonna be a great Newsweek article.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. My point is, who do the states go to for adjudication in affairs if the Supreme Court says no? And this is my point, not to rehash all these old stories, but in the 2020 election case, questioning the validity of how judges and governors changed election rules in violation of. I believe it's Article 1 of the Constitution, or Article. It's Article 1, I think, in violation of the Constitution. How the states have the right to handle. State legislatures handle their election rules. The Supreme Court said, we are not going to hear it. It is typical of the establishment conservative regime to say, stop, stop. We don't want to have to do this. Whereas Democrats are like, turn on the steamroller and pedal to the metal.

[Tony Kennett]

And they even found, again, they would. They would take federal cases. In the case of Letitia James with Trump, they would take federal statutes, multiply them by 34 and. And then charge them at the state level with Trump. But you have Republican governors who, again, take what you describe as kind of the bill bar. Well, let's not get too hasty. Let's just simmer down. We'll just move forward. You even saw this with Representative McIver, right? The Trump DOJ suggested from that attorney from Newark that they were going to move forward if she wanted to move forward, maybe just apologize. And they refused to. So now Trump's administration is saying, all right, fine, you don't want to move forward. All right, let's get out the boxing gloves.

[Tim Pool]

I want to make sure people understand the psychosis that this country has been going through for some time. It's hard to. It's hard to. To think about it. But the COVID lockdowns were five years ago. Yeah. Five years ago, this nation went insane. Now, hold on. Five years before that, this country went insane.

[Ian Crossland]

2015.

[Tim Pool]

This is when. Let me play for this video. This video is from 2018. Listen to this. Let me turn the volume up. And what would that 20% alternative really mean? So that's part of what I'm doing with this, with. With aspects of this piece, like this trip to Moscow. You know, what would it mean if it was. If it really went that deep?

[Tony Kennett]

Now, there's a lot of ways in.

[Tim Pool]

Which this scandal could be really bad.

[Tony Kennett]

And not go that deep, but I.

[Tim Pool]

Think you need to consider that for another reason, which is that everyone always says, well, this has been Trump's view forever. All this stuff he's saying, what the.

[Tony Kennett]

Western allies splitting us apart from the West.

[Tim Pool]

Go back. This is a long thing. I don't want to play the full thing. But it says in the Chiron, unlikely but possible, that Trump has been a Russian intel asset since 1987. And so you could say that about.

[Ian Crossland]

Any human possible kind of leverage.

[Tony Kennett]

Donald Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

In a new cover story from New York Magazine, writer Jonathan Chait argues.

[Tim Pool]

We.

[Tony Kennett]

We have not allowed ourselves to consider the full range of possibilities. Chait lays out what could be considered the worst case scenario for Trump. Russia collusion.

[Ian Crossland]

That Donald Trump has been a Russian.

[Tony Kennett]

Intelligence asset since 1987.

[Tim Pool]

That would mean Donald Trump is a Soviet agent, not a Russian asset. That's how insane this was back then. This was the pretext by which they. Trump had. What was it? Michael Flynn prosecuted or persecuted, probably a better word.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Or communicating with Russians lying to the FBI. They said they were going after anybody who was going to work with Trump, and they used this as pretext that Trump was an asset of Russia and that all of this communication was illegal, illicit or otherwise.

[Ian Crossland]

When it wasn't, it was like 2015. I was watching a lot of Rachel Maddow living in la, still doing that post liberal lifestyle, clinging on. And I just remember all of a sudden they Russia.

[Tony Kennett]

And I'm like, what the.

[Ian Crossland]

We haven't talked about Russia in 20 years. Like Russia and the US are allies now we're done with it. And 2015, the propaganda started talking Russia, Russia, Russia. And then it was not only the perfect storm because they're creeping up on Russia with, you know, NATO up in Ukraine. They want to control it. They want Russia to make the first move so they can have this global war and take it over. Not only that, now they get to blame pin it on the president, the guy who's running for president, like, oh, we can use this to our advantage. Not only are we propagandizing people to go to war with Russia, we can scare people into fearing Trump. This is 2002.

[Phil Labonte]

You're talking about 2015, not three years before. That was when Mitt Romney and Barack Obama had their debate and Barack Obama said that. Mitt Romney, when Mitt Romney was saying that Russia was our greatest geopolitical foe, Barack Obama said, you know, the 80s called and they want their, their foreign policy policy back three years before that.

[Ian Crossland]

It was so abrupt when they started the Russian crap. It was so weird and manufactured because.

[Tim Pool]

Of Ukraine, because of Crimea. This has been in the works for a long time. And you know what's fascinating is how predictable a lot of it is. Because if you go back to 2010s, 2012, with the Arab Spring, something I harp on about quite a bit is the Qatar Turkey pipeline. And that's because it's not, it's not the beginning, but it is a. If you go back to this point, obviously everything can be reduced back to some thousand years ago. Something happened. But the cutter Turkey pipeline wasn't implemented because Syria blocked us. They said they're not going to allow us to build this pipeline. They're allies with Russia. The US gets mad at Russia. Russia says, you're not going to be able to do this, then starts working with Syria and Iran to build the same pipeline, tapping a natural gas field to once again to strengthen the Gazprom gas control that they have in Europe. The U.S. gets pissed and then they say, okay, Burisma Energy Co. In Ukraine, we are going to try and control the flow of energy through Ukraine as another means to get the prices of energy down in Europe because Russia is charging too much. What happens? Crimea, US involvement in Ukraine, Russia, Russia and the US or the west are fighting over whether Ukraine is going to join the west or Join the Russian Federation, the Trade Federation. And then, of course, we enter the cusp of war and the US Goes, okay, Russia's our enemy now, and that's the direction we want.

[Tony Kennett]

Just, sorry, a little ironic history point here that I think people really fail to point out. You talk about the Arab Spring, talk about the pipeline. This all comes from the United States rebuilding the world after World War II with the Marshall Plan. And the Soviet plan was to create a major energy economy to undermine the United States. So, in essence, what this has all turned out to be is a scheme of the Soviets to undermine the US by creating an alternate energy sphere that cuts off the United States from deciding what the globe does, because that's what we earned in World War II. Now we have this situation where the Soviets do kind of get the last laugh, creating this endless trail of corruption over an energy market and fundamentalist terrorism. There you go. A little history lesson for you there.

[Tim Pool]

I want to say one quick thing before we jump to the next segment on this one, because we have a super chat where Jonathan Westcott says it's not a soft coup as much as. As much as it's a blatant attempted coup. Just because it wasn't successful doesn't mean it isn't an attempted coup. This is the issue. When we were discussing this before the show. The issue is that it was successful. Donald Trump wasn't reelected. He was unable to effectively run the government the way he wanted, run the executive branch the way he wanted to. His national security advisor is falsely accused of crime. Papadopoulos, Carter Page falsely accused of crimes. They even had the. They arrested the lawyer and charged him over fabricating evidence against Carter Page. They knew that. I don't want to get into the weeds on this. It says so much to break down. But they fabricated evidence by altering an email so that Carter Page looked like he was guilty of a crime when he was actually intentionally giving. He was working with the CIA and providing them information.

[Tony Kennett]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

This is what they consistently had done to make sure that anytime Trump would turn around, he'd be weighed down and unable to actually implement the foreign policy he wanted to. And then the one time they claimed he was presidential.

[Ian Crossland]

I tend to look at the.

[Phil Labonte]

Syria.

[Tim Pool]

When he bombed Syria. Let's jump to this next segment real quick. This is Cash Patel. He appeared on Fox News with Brett Baier. Listen to this.

[Ian Crossland]

You were on with Maria a few weeks ago, and you said this.

[Tim Pool]

What we can do now is continue to put out the documents and the information that these people withheld from the American public. You're about to see a wave of transparency. What do you mean mean? Just give us about a week or two.

[Ian Crossland]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

We're almost at two weeks.

[Ian Crossland]

So this is about CROSSFIRE Hurricane.

[Tim Pool]

You just talked about that, all that you've been learning. Can you give us a little of that wave? You are no dummy, but you're kind of acting like one. You used to crush it in school.

[Tony Kennett]

Outsmarting opponents on the field. And now, well, you're still smart, but.

[Tim Pool]

Not exactly challenging yourself. You could be advancing nuclear engineering in the world's most powerful Navy. You were born for it. So make the smart choice. You can be smart or you could be nuke smart, become a nuclear [e-mail] nukesmart America's Navy forged by the sea of transparency. Absolutely. So just quickly on CROSSFIRE Hurricane, that is a continuing production pause real quick for those that are not familiar because it's a new segment. Crossfire Hurricane was the investigation into Donald Trump for the Russia collusion narrative. It was a hoax. It hamstrung the Trump administration. And I would argue it was a seditious conspiracy based on the available evidence we have now.

[Tony Kennett]

You're forgetting one small part there. We're not. There's just so much here. How are you supposed to list all of this? They broke the law multiple times to carry out this investigation. It wasn't even carried out according to the Patriot Act. How crazy do you have to be to create a kind of investigation that violates the bloody Patriot act, of all things?

[Tim Pool]

So now here's what Cash has to say about it. We have found material, and I'm the Crossfire Hurricane guy that I didn't even know existed in FBI holdings.

[Ian Crossland]

So there's been held someplace else or.

[Tim Pool]

That'S been stashed away in locations that people thought we wouldn't find it because we wouldn't know to look for it there. And as promised with my congressional partners, I'm working with Congress on, on constitutional oversight because that's what the American people deserve. And those documentations have been flowing to Congress nonstop on a rolling basis since that interview. So we've gotten some information so far. That is in the previous segment, we were discussing that one of the operatives who had colluded on the Russia hoax, according to an FBI analysis, lied to Congress. And this is Chuck Grassley saying, actually, let me actually grab actually, I don't know if I have it pulled up.

[Tony Kennett]

Anymore a week from today.

[Tim Pool]

Not that one. This one actually said newly declassified FBI documents proves fusion GPS Contractor Nelly Orr lied to Congress about contributions to crossfire hurricane in 2019. They did not prosecute this person. I believe it's fair to say that the dam has broken. I'm hoping that this continues and that Cash is correct. Many people have been asking why aren't Dan, Dan Bongino and Cash Patel going after the public corruption? Who cares about cocaine in the White House? Who cares about the guy in J6 or whatever? We want the Epstein documents. We want action against the corrupt Democrats who are trying to obstruct a duly elected president from doing his job. We're getting all of it. So right now it's light. Steve Bannon, I believe it was Bannon who said, mid summer we'll see some arrests. Well, this is massive because this is now in the public sphere. And Cash Patel has released documents, they've been declassified and the GOP has released, released them to the public. It now appears the ball has begun rolling. I hope it continues and I hope that snowball gets very big coming down that hill.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, there's a lot of people that actually should be arrested. If you go back and think about how many people had been involved in this, how many people had been involved in, you know, other accused crimes, there's the, the, the pipe bomb on January 6th that, that they have to investigate. There's a lot of things. And I, we've talked about this a bit and I really do think that they're trying to make sure that when they do make arrests, they've got as much evidence and as like everything, all their ducks in a row, essentially. So that way if they arrest people or when they make arrests, they can actually prosecute, actually have, have produced results.

[Tony Kennett]

I think this actually goes back to what, what Tim was saying a little bit earlier about the, the, the goal American people get justice, but that it doesn't create a kind of chaos by just kind of going in guns, ablazing with just any piece of evidence so that you end up in some kind of an Al Capone trial scene where he's basically just about to get off because you don't have all of the ducks lined up in a row. And if I see these people arrested, I don't want some federal judge to walk in and file some little national something from some no name district in Connecticut. I want them to be gone. I want them to be out of American society. Traitors be damned and hanged. Quote the founding Fathers, we should have a legal standard that delivers justice for people based on an actual smoking gun.

[Phil Labonte]

There should be as there should be people prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law with the intent of trying to prevent people from doing this in the future. This should, should be a deterrent as well as, you know, justice.

[Tony Kennett]

Apparently they're leaving their names all over documents. Sorry. Just to point that out. My God, the paper trail is very present.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I refer to these, to Cash in Dan Bongino as the secret police. The head of our secret police, kind of tongue in cheek, like, we don't really have a secret police.

[Tim Pool]

Like, not very secretive.

[Ian Crossland]

Not these guys, because he's given the documents to Congress.

[Tony Kennett]

Like, police are supposed to have cooler outfits also, by the way.

[Ian Crossland]

And like, sure, the FBI is going to do undercover work that you don't know they're doing. That's why you don't see a lot of their. What they're doing. You're like, where's Cash and Dan? Well, they're doing secret stuff because.

[Tony Kennett]

And that van outside.

[Ian Crossland]

But anyway, their willingness to send files to Congress to let the people decide what to do with it, it just completely turns that, that tongue in cheek bullshit on its, on its head. These guys are legit.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, well, hang on a second there. You said that they're sending this to Congress. This isn't the first time this was referred. According to these documents from Grassley's office, there were prior referrals that were sent out of his office. Sean Davis over from the Federalists brought this up this evening, that there were referrals made. We have no idea where those referrals went. They could have gone to Barr if you. He could have thrown them out. They could have been sent to members of Congress. I want to know if they were sent to members of Congress. Are they sitting on committees right now?

[Tim Pool]

People need to understand something. Be it Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, be it Bill Barr. The likelihood that they've come across something simply because it exists in the FBI is slim. So, for instance, we've got, I think 40 people who work at Tim Cass in some capacity. And I'll walk in and there's a car I've never seen before. I have no idea. Nobody. Nobody has. I'll walk in the kitchen and there'll be like food on the counter. I have no idea where it came from and no one tells me. And you know what? I don't think twice. I don't care.

[Tony Kennett]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

The point I'm making is the head of the FBI is not aware and apprised to every single investigation analysis that's being carried out. This means it's possible that when the referral was made, it was intercepted by deep state bureaucrats so that Bill Barr never got it. And I'm not trying to absolve Bill Barr of any responsibility. Considering the gravity of these analyses and this investigation, nothing else mattered more. I believe it's more likely he did know this was going on and just said, we're not going to do this.

[Tony Kennett]

For the 800th time, you are making a brilliant case for why these career bureaucrats who were not elected, who are nameless, who are never accountable, we held an internal investigation. Chris Wray said we did nothing wrong. Chris Wray said, well, I mean you're.

[Phil Labonte]

You'Re, you're right about the bureaucrats, but I mean, it could just as likely be someone that is some kind of intern or something. That's what was most likely to have happened. When it comes to the Dobbs decision. The Supreme Court case that leaked about abortion, it was most likely that it was a clerk. There are so many politically motivated people in the bureaucracy, people that truly believe that Donald Trump is gonna ruin the world, when honestly what they're probably trying to do is protect their own jobs or protect their future jobs. But the idea that it had to be some kind of well connected bureaucrat, I think that it could have been almost any kind of operative in the government.

[Ian Crossland]

What would it look like, the referral itself? How would that happen? Point by point, who makes it? And then where does it go? And then.

[Tony Kennett]

So according to Grassley's documents here and Tim, if you could scroll down just a smidgen there, I want to make sure I get this right here. So Nellie Orr does all of this stuff. All right, so let's pick a low level crime here. She violates apparently tells Congress that she didn't use a ham radio incorrectly. The fcc super serious about ham radio stuff. She apparently lied about this. If the FBI suspects, hey, you were lying about this, we have evidence, enough evidence of which with Fusion gps, there was all of the evidence that this was false and garbage and there was actual collusion between bureaucratic offices and congressmen going on against the present administration. Then you would make a referral. This referral would be made to the head of the FBI, but it can also be made to the House Oversight Committee. It can be made to the another part of the Deputy Assistant Attorney General perhaps. There are a couple of different places the referrals can go. I think right now what Cash Patel is alluding to in an interview with Brett Baer, they found the referral in a place there shouldn't have been referrals. Oh, so now they're saying, okay, how many referral Any of you guys who.

[Tim Pool]

Have kids down a toilet?

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah. You ever find a kid who hides something your first thought isn't, wow, I'm so glad I have this back. It's, what else has my kid been taking and hiding around the house?

[Ian Crossland]

Why wouldn't they just destroy the referral, though, instead of put it somewhere?

[Tony Kennett]

Because destroying things often leaves a bigger trail than just hiding it somewhere.

[Tim Pool]

It's also very criminal liability.

[Ian Crossland]

Correct.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, great point.

[Tim Pool]

Anybody who has a ferret knows that if you catch the ferret stealing something, you're going to find it stash. And there's a bunch of other stuff stashed there.

[Tony Kennett]

There you go. You got a kid example and a ferret example here.

[Tim Pool]

Ferret is Latin for little thief.

[Tony Kennett]

Did you know pundit is Sanskrit for teacher?

[Tim Pool]

There you go.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, pundit sounds. Sorry, that's. That's all I got. That's the only other response I had for that.

[Tim Pool]

So, in all seriousness, they likely were putting these referrals in places that they thought people wouldn't find, but if they did, they'd say, well, I didn't do anything wrong. It's just in that place that's obscure.

[Tony Kennett]

And this is why Comey's statement today, he starts to hyperventilate a little bit. At the end of this segment with Wolf Blitzer. They're talking about the GOP administration again. Cash Patel, Pam Bondi opening up some of these investigations. The January 6th pipe bomb, the cocaine, on and on. And he makes a very weird statement about whether or not the FBI ever closes investigations, specifically about January6. It's objectively wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Let's pull this up. We have this story from the Daily Mail. Comey slams investigation. Ex FBI chief James Comey unnerved as Trump reopens investigation to cocaine at the White House. Now, the first thing I want to say is, bravo, Daily Mail. There should be an award for hilariously misleading headlines. Because the way they've phrased the title as it's. It's as if to imply that it's Comey's Cocaine Unnerved as Trump reopens investigation into cocaine.

[Tony Kennett]

He's like, sniffing through the whole interview.

[Tim Pool]

He'S like, oh, that Trump reopened a bunch of investigations. Now we have this clip from cnn. Let me play it for you. Something supported by a lot of conservatives out there. What do you make of this? It's a little confusing to me, honestly. I'm sure it's a Huge adjustment to go from being a podcaster to being the deputy director of the Dragon. But I don't understand this tweet.

[Tony Kennett]

First of all, I assume that the.

[Tim Pool]

Investigation of the pipe bomb that was found on January 6 was never closed. The FBI never closes such a thing, so I guess it means they're going to focus on it more.

[Tony Kennett]

And as to the other things, I.

[Tim Pool]

Thought the Supreme Court Marshall had investigated the leak of the, of the opinion, the draft opinion. I don't know what the FBI's role is. There cocaine at the White House. I thought the Secret Service investigated that. So I don't follow it and understand it. I also don't understand who the audience is for this tweet. The FBI often calls for public assistance or in matters of great public concern, will announce an investigation to reassure the public. This seems much more narrowly targeted, maybe to a former podcast audience. That's potentially what's.

[Phil Labonte]

What's going on.

[Tony Kennett]

I want to get your also reaction to an exchange the new FBI Director Cash Patel had with Democratic Senator Patty Murray during a recent congressional hearing.

[Tim Pool]

Listen to this. Director Patel, where is the FY 2026 budget request for the FBI? It's being worked on, ma' am. Have you reviewed it? I really don't care about a budget request, though. In the tweet from Nick, sort of, he says james Comey slams Dan Bongino and Cash Patel for reopening and increasing investigations into the Biden White House cocaine J6 pipe bomber and Supreme Court Dobs Lee Comey is in total self preservation mode. Spill everything, Cash and Bongino. The J6 pipe bomb was under the Trump administration. That was just at the end of Trump's first term. Now the question is there's another, another issue here that I think is interesting and that's Patriot Front.

[Tony Kennett]

Mm.

[Tim Pool]

So Joe Rogan had said something. MSNBC went off on Joe because Joe had said something about after Cash gets in, Patriot Front disbands. But Patriot Front didn't disband. As far as I know, they still exist. MSNBC made that point. But many people still look at groups like that and say, yeah, those are Feds. Why? Well, they show up very organized. Often it appears like, like the law enforcement is disregarding their presence and allowing them to do things they wouldn't let any other group do. The question here is, is James Comey actually unnerved by the reopening of his investigations? It seemed rather weak, to be completely honest. But were there FBI agents maybe call me or someone else involved in a lot of these Scenarios, I don't know. The cocaine belongs to. I want to mention something. The White House complex is massive. People think White House, and they assume it's this singular building. No, it's a massive complex. So where did they find the cocaine? Was it. Was it in the Oval Office? Because then we got. We got an issue. But there's so many different areas. There's a. There's a bowling alley in the. In the White House. The pipe bomber is interesting because this one reeks of some kind of operation of some sort.

[Ian Crossland]

The coke, the cocaine one. I'll tap on there. He said Secret Service supposed to take care of that. Well, if they didn't, then does the FBI go, hey, how come the Secret Service isn't doing their job? Maybe that's why the FBI is involved with that now. The pipe bomb thing since day one. What the hell? Because that thing escalated the danger of the day and made it look like justified to go after people that were just standing around as if they had something to do with this pipe bomb, and then they just. The trail had gone.

[Tim Pool]

It was. It was the pretext to evacuate members of Congress before the J6 riots.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So let's just try this. On January 6th, Capitol Police, I believe was Capitol Police went door to door in congressional offices to evacuate members of Congress hours before anyone breached the Capitol building. How fortunate for these members of Congress that there was a pretext that got them out of the building. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez used that pretext to create a fake story. She claimed that the cops went to her room and banged on the door. She went and hid in the bathroom, and she heard someone come in and go, where is she? Where is she? And she was. She said, I thought they found me. The J6ers found me. She thought she was gonna die.

[Tony Kennett]

This is the same person who hit Jesse Smollett with a Subway sandwich.

[Tim Pool]

It was a cop evacuating her because of the pipe bombs. However, the story makes no sense because this happened, I believe, a full hour before anyone breached the Capitol building. So when this story broke, I actually ended up discussing with. Arguing with Ben Shapiro about it, because everyone was saying, no, no, they were evacuating. The timeline adds up. And then I pulled her Instagram video and lined it up and said this story she was telling about getting lunch happened. Here's the time frame she gives. Here's the video from in front of the Capitol of the first breach of the building. She had no way of knowing they were gonna breach the building unless. Unless she had foreknowledge that the building was gonna be breached. For those that believe January 6th was coordinated intentionally, it is extremely convenient for anyone who's trying to. Who knows that there's going to be a riot inside the Capitol, that they had a pretext to evacuate Congress before that happened.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And even if it was like, Capitol Police getting ready to, like, prepare the building for the assault, so they're in there getting all the Congress people out. That could have been a full hour.

[Tim Pool]

Before the rioters smashed through the building. They evacuated members of Congress.

[Ian Crossland]

I've heard that there's FBI on the scene there. You guys have the data.

[Tim Pool]

That's. This is what I want. When they're doing this J6 pipe bomber thing, are we going to get documents related to the informants that we know were on the ground?

[Tony Kennett]

So this is. This is where things get really, really interesting. And I think this even ties back into why Comey and Ray and so many others are starting to get a little sweaty on camera. Whenever you start to look in these forlorn places where documents are just left to rot, they're not really closed, they're just left open. Maybe you look around in some field offices, you start to find references to things that really shouldn't be there. You do start to see whether or not individuals were listed as an FBI informant on some other earlier operation, as opposed to just January 6th. And all of a sudden, those testimonies before Congress look a little bit sketchy. The worst part of all of this is that the January 6th committee, that was a complete sham and set up so that no one who disagreed with the problems with the situation in general couldn't even get on the committee. That committee then tried to destroy evidence that was delivered to that committee. It tried to obfuscate, to hide any kind of testimony leaking out to the public. This is something that I want answers for, because if before you try to walk out here and say that everything is above board, there's a lot of people getting real jumpy about people opening up old files.

[Ian Crossland]

All of the sudden, what evidence did they destroy? The January 6th committee, you said they received evidence that they destroyed.

[Tony Kennett]

So they destroyed everything. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What's left?

[Tony Kennett]

All the documents, all of the evidence that the January 6th committee collected. Right. Picture in your mind a large plastic bin, a post office bin, if you might, and everyone sends in all of the various information. You just keep it in this bin. Well, at the end of this particular investigation from the J6 committee, the Trump administration was essentially like, getting ready to come back in. They Dragged this committee on forever. The House was retaken by Republicans in midterm. Speaker at the time comes in and says, well, we'd like to see these documents. And they said no. And then once they actually got the documents back, they found that the bin was like one third of the way full. When in fact, we know of all of these things that occurred regarding the January 6th committee testimonies, documentation, perhaps security camera footage. Why on God's green earth is there a part of Washington D.C. that close to the Capitol that's not on camera? A lot of unanswered questions that are kind of a little weird here. And what Megan McCain was satisfied with, like a post it note that said I did it, signed J6 people.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't know. I can't imagine that there's actually places in D.C. that don't have some have surveillance.

[Tony Kennett]

Hillary Clinton's office.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I'm, I'm talking about places outdoors.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, outside of Hillary Clinton's office.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, outside of, outside of Hillary Clinton's. Outside of offices. Just like, you know, if you're, if you're walking around, around Congress or around the DOJ building or around the FBI building, I can't imagine that there aren't cameras.

[Tony Kennett]

There's more. There's more cameras in D.C. than an inner city target.

[Ian Crossland]

Anywhere that Hillary Clinton looks is the only place with.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

I couldn't get the joke in when, when it was timely, but it would have been funny to think she's like a Terminator shutting down security footage.

[Tim Pool]

Everywhere she walks, the cameras shut down just in case. Foot radius.

[Tony Kennett]

I'm just chilling outside of surveillance.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, okay, so it's the lack of evidence that, that is. Indicates that they destroy the evidence.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, just. Can we just real quick, just. I know that there's not very many liberals that watch this show and they're never going to clip this, but the Q shaman is on camera being escorted into the building, through the building by police, escorted into the Senate chambers, and they locked him in prison for this. The police gave him a guided tour. How can you claim that someone had criminal intent when they said, excuse me, officer, can you help me? And said, yes, I can. Could you imagine walking to a bank and being, officer, is it okay if I take this bag of money? It's like, let me carry it for you, okay? And then they arrest you. It's like, you, you gave me the money. Like, you let me do it. In this instance, probably been analogy, because the Capitol building's a public building. Normally anyone's allowed to be there.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So the police give them a guided tour through a public building and then arrest them for it later.

[Ian Crossland]

It's very strange. Unless they're undercover.

[Tim Pool]

It's, it's, it's.

[Ian Crossland]

And like they're facilitating the crime on purpose to get the guy. But then, then they're complicit. If it's not an undercover staying operation, they're complicit in uniform.

[Tony Kennett]

This is why cash terrifies them, though, because cash knows where to look to find this stuff. And don't get me wrong, I also want the Epstein files released post haste immediately. There's a lot of other things that I expect this FBI to do, but right now, if this is what he is focused on, if this is what he, Bongino, Pam Bondi have their sights set on, I am saying, yeah, I want you to search every corner, high and low, all the nooks and crannies until you find out anything that is of interest to Americans.

[Tim Pool]

This is the, the, the, the, the difficult position. Yes, I agree. Epstein stuff should get released. And what's going on? Something's weird. However, weeding out the corrupt individuals who engaged in a seditious conspiracy to stop Donald Trump I think is actually step one. If they do not deal with this corruption, they'll just lose in 2026 and 2028, and then you'll learn nothing about any of the corruption outside of whatever. Yeah, so, so I understand why everybody wants the Epstein stuff. Agreed. If they don't deal with this, we ain't getting nothing. To be fair. I don't know that we're getting abstinence stuff anyway. Yeah, but step one is rid the corruption and make sure they don't cheat, they don't try to engage in conspiracies.

[Ian Crossland]

Again, secure the vote, that's another big thing.

[Tim Pool]

System itself.

[Ian Crossland]

Trump's been talking about the vote. You need a strong, you need a secured vote so that there can't be a coup in the vote. The voters box with some digital thing too. I agree with you on the Epstein stuff. I mean, I feel like I don't even want to talk about it too much, but I feel like it's going to implicates global leaders.

[Tim Pool]

And so let's jump to this next story. This is just a simple tweet from Deputy Director of the FBI Dan Bongino. Quote, as we read and process reports of a new Covid strain emerging, I want you to know that we are actively investigating in multiple field offices the COVID up of the origin of the COVID virus along with associated matters requiring our attention. You deserve answers. I am just going to. Because I want to. Because I want to believe. I'm just going to mentally insert in the middle of this statement and implied Foushee is going to get arrested for his perjury when he lied to Congress. And that was a Newsweek story that he did. If Dan Bongino legitimately says we are. He said we are actively investigating and if that is the case, one of the first things you got to do is take a look at the lab leak which we is now. It's basically confirmed across the board. Covid leaked from a laboratory. Then you have to ask why did they make this virus? And you have EcoHealth Alliance, Peter Dash IT and Anthony Foushee. And then you get to the congressional hearing with Rand Paul asking Dr. Foushee, did you engage in gain of function research? And according to numerous reports, Anthony Foushee lied under oath. Any active investigation should reasonably include within it the resulting criminal prosecution of Anthony Fauci for perjury.

[Phil Labonte]

Absolutely. I mean that, that among other things. I mean it should be extremely obvious to people that should, that shouldn't be controversial like it's, there's, there's clear evidence that Fauci was lying under oath.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Fauci was untruthful. That's what Newsweek said in quotes even.

[Tony Kennett]

I see now which.

[Phil Labonte]

Perfect. But I mean that's. That it's, it is a terrible development that or a terrible condition that the media literally runs interference for people like Foushee that are responsible for, you know, some, some terrible, terrible medicine that, hey, guess what?

[Tony Kennett]

Now you understand. Well, not now you understand. I don't mean it to sound, to sound patronizing or condescending here. Now we see very clearly why the media is losing their minds and trying to shift the mental health question of Biden over to Trump as, as Thompson and Tapper have done in the last couple of days. They don't want to talk about the idea of whether Biden's auto pen use was legitimate. Because once you open a lot of these individuals up for prosecution that they auto penned their way out of and magical last minute totally covers anything, pardons. Now you can start to bring a situation where perhaps Fauci makes a deal so that five or six members of Congress are now in the targets for things that they might have been involved in. Because as we know from the Democrats, as Schumer learned from good old David Hogg, when you raise a generation to backstab just like you did. Don't be surprised when you've got a blade between the shoulders.

[Tim Pool]

All, all that needs to happen is for the FBI to go to Foushee and say, listen, Foushee, you are going to be prosecuted for perjury and you'll spend what, what life you have left behind bars or give us something we can use, which is famously what the FBI likes to do. And then Fauci says, listen, listen, I'll.

[Phil Labonte]

Give you what I can.

[Tim Pool]

Just please, please don't arrest me. And then you end up with evidence against maybe, as you mentioned, some members of Congress who are complicit in covering things up.

[Tony Kennett]

It would be a shame if someone looked into my mansion houses, my socialism, and the young Latina woman I'm running around the country with and Anthony Fauci. How could they look at me in Vermont.

[Phil Labonte]

Pretty getting.

[Tim Pool]

I just, I just want to stress this to all the people who might hear this about Bernie Sanders. They say, Bernie Sanders. This is what the liberals are saying. He needed a, the only way to fly from that, from these two cities for his rally was to use a private charter, and we're not mad about it. And then my response is, he did not need a luxury Challenger 600. He could have got a King Air turbo prop. He could have, instead of spending $40,000, spent 10. The point is, the dude chose a luxury large. I was like, it's like a large to mid sized jet.

[Ian Crossland]

Did he have a big staff that he took with him?

[Tim Pool]

I, I, I don't believe so.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, but I mean, you know, this.

[Tim Pool]

Is maybe, maybe, but either way, you can get turbo prop that seats nine. Regardless, the point is, the dude, I don't want to derail, but this guy.

[Ian Crossland]

He'S like, my bones, they're older than.

[Tim Pool]

You know, my joints like all of them.

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

He's a limousine liberal. That's what they do. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna fight climate change. Give me your money. Okay, I'm gonna go buy a hybrid jet.

[Tony Kennett]

Same with Karen Bass, who instead of just doing a zoom call to Ghana, took a little flight over to Ghana and now has only given out 10 building permits. And again, when you start sniffing around, everyone loses their marbles because the gravy train is over.

[Tim Pool]

So let's going back to the, the, the previous story. It is time that Republicans exercise power. And you know, man, I've said for a long time that I'd never want to be involved in politics, but I'm starting To get the itch maybe, maybe in 20 or 30 years. But what I'm frustrated about is where's, where's the reckless abandon from Republicans? Democrats figuratively fling themselves off buildings to exude.

[Tony Kennett]

To exert power at federal agents in Newark, literally punching.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to say this again. Rhett McIver closed fist punched a federal.

[Tony Kennett]

Agent on camera and then body slammed him like the Kool Aid Man. Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And. And Republicans are like, well, you know, so I like what Cash and Dan are doing. I'm hoping that they're the energy we need. And it looks good so far. Guys, it has only been a couple months. Seriously, they've not, not even been in as long as Trump has been. So it's only been a few months. So we got to give some time. However, I just long for someone to come in and just flip the game board over.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you were saying? It's that they're doing it right. They're not going in there with a piece of evidence, doing some clown, you know, kangaroo court and just throwing people in jail. They're actually attempting. What were you going to.

[Tony Kennett]

No, you set me up in the best way, dude. Thanks. What I was going to say. And then he helped me out here with a beautiful assist. There's a process to all of this, because if you don't deal with the federal injunctions first, that'll screw you over. And then if you don't have the budget to take care of it, that'll screw you over. And then, because you know something will be funded through 29 or 2032, and you can't touch it because Congress allocated money for it. And you, if you have to, you have to take these things one at a time. One thing that is very clear about this administration, this is my highest praise for Trump, is that he took that four years in purgatory. Well, four years in hell once it reached indictment season. And he planned out a lot of moves. Trump doesn't do a ton of planning. A lot of times he just kind of walks in and says, I want it and I want it to, and I want now. But in this case, he really did, with his team, sit down and go, if we're going to do this, the dominoes need to be in order. Otherwise one domino is going to be out of place and the train's going to stop and the other dominoes are going to stay standing because nothing knocked him over.

[Phil Labonte]

Look at how much effort the left has put into stymieing the Trump administration already. Like all just judges and Again, this doesn't have to be some kind of top down directive from some secret cabal or whatever.

[Tony Kennett]

Even though Chuck Schumer literally on camera said we appointed these progressive judges to do exactly that.

[Phil Labonte]

But the point is they don't have to, they don't have to be instructed which executive orders to actually have an injunction on. It's like, oh, I have a person that I can speak for. We have someone that'll file a complaint and they'll just fall in line.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh, you mean like the conspiracy of everyone believing the same thing so they all move in the same direction. Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

So standalone, complex, emergent phenomenon. Standalone, such.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

When, when a group of people all take action that appears to be coordinated, but they're individual actions. So it looks like a conspiracy, but it's not.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, I mean that's, that's the typical behavior on the left now. And so I imagine that should there be attempts to indict people, there will be all kinds of, you know, all kinds of effort to, to hinder any, any, any justice being being, you know, met out.

[Ian Crossland]

I think like you also, in order to exercise power effectively, you need the populace to understand what you're doing and to believe in you or at least give you the authority to do it, to acquiesce. And I wonder how many people are.

[Phil Labonte]

You getting the authority?

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Phil Labonte]

They've already given the authority by electing Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but I wonder how many people know that it was a lab leak or believe it was a lab leak today. Because I'm in a bubble. We, I work with you guys. We, we all. It's pretty clear that that came out.

[Tim Pool]

Of a lab, don't you.

[Ian Crossland]

The Wuhan.

[Tim Pool]

So I want to give you, I gotta give a shout out to asmongold, who was talking about my interview with Adam Conover when he pointed out that we, the bubble we are in here is the big bubble. When Conover told me that he didn't know that Trump condemned white nationalists, he said, I'm not in your bubble. And then he pulled up the article where it had the full paragraph. Donald Trump said, there are very fine people on both sides and I'm not talking to the white nationalists. And he says, here's Adam Conover's bubble. And he circled the very fine people. And he goes, here's Tim's. And he circles the whole thing. And he's like, you're in the small bubble. You're saying you're in a small bubble. Isolate from the news. I think it is fair to say for this company, I don't think. I think we are in a bubble. But that bubble is the American national news landscape. Obviously, there's. There's bubbles of influence in every. Every capacity, because I don't know what's going on in China right now. So the news that we do have access to is American national news. But people like to say things, you know, like when he says, I'm not in your bubble, bro. We are not in an isolated political bubble here.

[Tony Kennett]

Nope, nope.

[Tim Pool]

We are in. I read the New York Times every day, and I see what they're saying, and sometimes it appears fine, and I fact check it, and I say, okay, that one looks like it might be okay. And I give them like a 60%. But when it comes to politics, you can really see when they ham it up, when they're doing poorly.

[Tony Kennett]

When Politico is reporting on kind of beat stuff around the country, I give a lot of praise to Adam Wren from Indiana Politico. He genuinely tries to appear to settle aside a lot of his personal biases to report news. And then you have the guy who says, I can't remember the guy's name, but the Politico article from this week, here's what the Democrats shadow cabinet should be.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Tony Kennett]

Il Nye Leticia James.

[Tim Pool]

That was a funny article, by the way.

[Tony Kennett]

It was incredible.

[Phil Labonte]

They're still talking about shadow, you know, shadow government.

[Tony Kennett]

The shadow hearings didn't work out. We stopped hearing about that.

[Phil Labonte]

Still rejecting the will of the American people.

[Tim Pool]

This is a fascinating thing from my time with Bill Maher, who I thought was great. Obviously, we disagreed, but I've sat down with so many liberals who think things that are factually incorrect, and they get snooty with you, they get angry with you, they attack you. Bill didn't do any of those things. Certainly he, you know, there's a little agitation, but he always tried to keep things, you know, chill. And that was great. Also, he was smoking a lot of pot.

[Tony Kennett]

That'd be very true.

[Tim Pool]

But he told me, you've been watching too much Fox News. And I think my response was like, NCNN and Politico. It's fascinating that for the liberal bubble, they only. They say, don't watch Fox News. And I'm like, I try to watch all of it. I try to read all of it. I don't want to be in a conservative bubble, only reading the examiner and, you know, and the Daily Signal. The Daily Signal.

[Tony Kennett]

No, no, I got you.

[Tim Pool]

I read it all. I read it all. And the Federalist. And I'll read the New York Times and I'll read cnn.

[Tony Kennett]

And when I want to abuse myself, I'll listen to npr.

[Ian Crossland]

Al Jira.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Right now, the sources that we have pulled up, first of all, we used the New York Post. Oh, they say it's right leaning. I've got Newsweek. That's not right leaning, it's slightly left. We've got Politico, left leaning, media left leaning, Axios left leaning. And Daily Mail, moderate to slightly right, but. But British.

[Tony Kennett]

And you haven't included the clips that you've played, including CNN and MSNBC and Fox News. You've a wide variety.

[Tim Pool]

And when. And the reason I bring this up is, and with all due respect to Bill, you know, by all means, I told him I think one of our most viewed videos is him is criticizing him. And he laughed and said, you're allowed to be wrong. And I appreciate the like. He doesn't freak out like these other libs, but his response is, you've been watching too much Fox News. He can't see that he's in a liberal hive bubble that he can't see out of. And so if I present him with counter information, I think the issue was when I brought up that Ukraine, he said, you know, Trump went on TV and told Russia to help him out. And I laughed because Trump said, you know, if Russia, if you do got something. And then I said, and then he was like, and Paul Manafort ends up getting, you know, convicted or whatever. And I said, yeah, you know where those documents came from, Right? Ukraine. And he was like, what? I'm like, politico reported this. So when he says, you've been watching too much Fox News, I'm like, brother, this is Politico. I'm not getting this from Fox News. Yeah, he just doesn't read these things.

[Ian Crossland]

And the fear of not looking in one because there's a lot of different bubbles. You know, you're, you're probably within like a thousand different bubbles at once. And maybe we share like a couple hundred bubbles. And then there are the bubbles we're not part of. If someone tells you don't look at that piece of that news company, you're probably going to want to look at it. There are things in the world that you shouldn't look at, like C.P. you know, there's like vile things that you like, you shouldn't get involved in that bubble. But when it comes to news, I think that there's no news so dangerous that it will radicalize you to evil. I don't think so. If you have a smart open brain.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to give a shout out to Ashton Forbes. Do you guys know Ashton?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He's been tracking the MH370 story. And boy, if you're entering that story from the surface, it sounds nuts. Teleportation technology, Gorgon stare videos of orbs circling a plane. And I'm like, I'm a skeptic. But when he tweeted that he was going to be joining me for an interview, I got slammed by a bunch of tweets and, and comments from people saying, like, just attacking me for daring to entertain a conversation. And I'm like, this is really weird. It's really weird. He's basically saying that he thinks teleportation technology blinked the plane out of existence and moved it somewhere else. I think that's a grandiose concept. I don't know that I believe it, but I'm open to the possibility, as I stated my interview with him today, if we assume anything that we've never seen before is a hoax, we will never discover anything again. We need to be open to the possibility that we will eventually witness a technology we've not yet witnessed before. And so I remain largely skeptical. I don't know that that exists because I think we'd see it more. But sure, let's have the conversation. But I pointed out to him, I've had flat Earthers come on my show and we've debated. Nobody cared. Nobody tweeted at me. How dare you. We had geocentrists come on the show and argue the Earth is center of the universe and nobody cares. But when this one guy wants to talk about classified military technology using quantum tunneling, all of a sudden I'm getting attacked by a bunch of people saying, you're a fraud, Tim. You're promoting this. And I'm like, what is this, reverse psychology? To make me believe it exists by attacking me when I have a conversation about it.

[Tony Kennett]

Lockheed Martin not getting commercial royalties. I gotta be honest with this whole conversation regarding the bubbles, which, by the way, your description of the bubbles, I thought was an incredible oxiclean commercial. Like we all around thousands of bubbles. Yeah, I like that. I really enjoy the idea that the left side seems to think that a diverse media sphere is new. There was a time in this country, not 50, 60 years ago, in which every town, every small town had a Democrat newspaper, a Republican newspaper, an inquiry kind of gossip newspaper, and usually a corporate interest paper. If you were in kind of a bigger city like Kansas City, those are the Days they were all. And even small towns that had this kind of a thing. They're like, wow, you're watching too much Fox News, dude. The diverse media sphere has been around a lot longer in this country than your isolated bubble vision.

[Ian Crossland]

Mika Brzezinski said something at once on Morning Joe. Like, we, if we're the ones that are going to tell you what the truth is, don't listen to anyone else. And it's like, that's this. So there were Republican and Democrat newspapers.

[Phil Labonte]

She said, we decide what the truth is. Freaking worse than what you first portrayed.

[Ian Crossland]

It was like appearing into the unipolar mindset of the media, this news media that it's because there was a Republican and Democrat newspaper, but it's like they're being paid by the same liberal economic order to spurge the same, you know, propaganda. Not necessarily the same propaganda, but. And maybe it was, but I think now. And people like Mika have been like brainwashing people to don't look outside at the other possible Al Jazeera. Horrible Dane, don't do that. Look at us. We're the ones. So it's like, like an immune response that these people are having. Like, please don't, don't look away at other information. You need to get it from us, or this, this order is going to fail.

[Phil Labonte]

I, I do think that Al Jazeera is probably not the best place to go. It's not a. But you should, you shouldn't not listen to Al Jazeera. But I would, I would probably check, you know, back up the stories that they're.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

I use Al Jazeer as an extreme example of something not to be afraid of.

[Tony Kennett]

Like, I usually just call the AP next door.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to play this clip real quick. That is, that's exactly what I hear.

[Ian Crossland]

What you mean just said is what I hear from all the Trump supporters.

[Tim Pool]

That I talked to who were Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

Voters and are still Trump supporters. They go, yeah, you guys are going crazy. He's doing.

[Tim Pool]

What are you so surprised about?

[Ian Crossland]

He's doing exactly what he said he's going to do.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, and I think that the dangerous edges here are that he's trying to undermine the media, trying to make up his own facts. And it could be that while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think.

[Tim Pool]

And that is the. That is our job.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

If you look at the issues, and.

[Ian Crossland]

That is our job, to control what people think. Hunger Games level crazy central power authority.

[Tim Pool]

Remember when Joe Scarborough was like. He's like, I was wrong when I said Joe was cogent and then everyone undersold. I undersold him. Yeah. This version of Joe Biden is the greatest version of Joe Biden. The sharpest version of Joe Biden.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tony Kennett]

So you're telling me he can do a Joe Scarborough? Neither of you tried doing an impression of Mika Brzezinski. I feel cheated.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they're both very dry personalities.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, there's also the testosterone.

[Tim Pool]

So Joe, like, Micah Brzezinski is vanilla pudding. Like, how do you do an impersonation of someone who's flat?

[Tony Kennett]

I just imagine getting kicked in the crotch and then trying to do the news, and I just kind of go from there.

[Ian Crossland]

Fix your.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but I disagree because that. That. That implies some kind of emotive, like, emote emoting. Michael Brzezinski is just too flat.

[Tony Kennett]

So the funny thing is, we accidentally.

[Tim Pool]

Talks like this, and that's our job.

[Tony Kennett]

It's like, okay, we accidentally brush against something. Interesting is this idea of the exceptionalism behind titles and the job degree that you have that simply because you speak in a monotone voice and you have that new 21st century transatlantic. You're listening to this channel, like, that kind of thing that gives them the expertise. And because you talk like a normal person on a podcast, that means, well, you're not real news. Like the person who went to Brown.

[Tim Pool]

This really is the world they live in. These people who work in media and broadcast media, they get trained to talk like this. Today, Donald Trump said that a dog would be arriving. And it's like, why? Why are you talking like that, dude?

[Ian Crossland]

Why are they talking like that?

[Tim Pool]

Because their trains.

[Tony Kennett]

It's the modern. Yeah, it's the modern. It's like, yeah, you had the old transatlantic. I say, like, now you have this.

[Tim Pool]

It's broadcast. It's like broadcast diction.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like an authority.

[Tim Pool]

That's why, you know, it's exaggerated a bit. But you'll be watching the news. We're like, I'm standing here outside of the old Winchester Family Guy apples very much. Well, that's the joke they were making, the Trisha Kwan or whatever. I'm standing here outside every time. And within the podcast era. This is fascinating because it goes back to, actually, Vice. I think Vice was one of the first iterations of this. Granted, they had a fall from grace, but still. They were interviewed by the New York Times, I think it was with David Carr. And he was like, what gives you the right to go and do these stories like who are you? And he's like, I can't remember who said it, but they said basically Vice, who was like learning the news from a dude you're sitting at the bar with. Before them all news was, I'm sitting here in Tim Cast IRL studios. Phil is to my right. And then Vice came along and they were like, so we're walking through a jungle and like some dude, some guy came up and he had like a club or something. That was weird. And it was like talking to a person about what their experience.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. Jon Stewart kind of trying to softened, took it away from the. I'm telling you, the news from. But he took it into a comedic. But it was still stilted.

[Tony Kennett]

It was still very overrun. It was like.

[Tim Pool]

So let me tell you about this.

[Tony Kennett]

So last week we had. And then you. I mean John Mulaney's even made fun of this with the New York Post, like getting a story like there's a perv in Queens. There's that kind of shorthand news style. People don't need all of the soft handed notices of your journalism degree to get the news. And the left has no idea why that's not getting them more USA Today subscriptions.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I wonder if it's a gut reaction that makes people trust it, like a sense of authority. Because they're used to it. That noise, that tone and. But there's just a huge swath of humanity now that doesn't like kind of value.

[Tony Kennett]

Like when I take off my glasses, I get accused of being the vice president that, that kind of.

[Ian Crossland]

And Andrew Santino. Oh, kind of like a crossbreed of those two Irishmen.

[Tony Kennett]

I'll take it was.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, I like that guy. So, because I now when I see that people talking like that, that news voice, I am turned off by it.

[Tony Kennett]

Especially when you play them all in sync together like during the COVID pandemic and they're all saying the exact same things about misinformation. And because the same journalistic way they speak is also combined in that large news press briefing that was given to them. You can play all of those videos at the same time and they all sound in sync with each other. Now they realize they can't do that. So I don't know if you guys have noticed this. Msnbc, Politico, cnn, they tried very briefly to do the Trump ambushed Cyril, the South African president. Then they've, they've already fractured into a million different angles on things because people just don't trust the narratives. They no longer drive the news. Now they're the ones following the cycle.

[Ian Crossland]

The ambush term. I saw a clip where it was just newscasters after newscasters, newscasters saying that Trump ambushed the president in the White House.

[Tony Kennett]

I think Tyra is compiled like all.

[Ian Crossland]

So that after that you're saying they were all like, oh crap, they scattered like, like roaches in the light. Like, not likely.

[Tony Kennett]

No, no. More not, not the roaches scattering. But the first, I don't know. I imagine a game of tag where everyone then starts running away from the person. That's it. There's. They are active, they are moving, but there's not really any coordinated effort because everything's being shaken up. And also half of their informants inside the administration have been fired. So they're, they're really up a creek without a paddle or, you know, an audience to watch them.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this from a story from Mediaite. MSNBC's new primetime lineup lands with a thud amid ongoing ratings woes. Yeah, they're flopping. The ratings are getting worse and worse. And you know what's crazy is we could probably do this same segment every week because there's always some drop off. Every week the ratings are getting worse. Check this out. MSNBC's new primetime lineup which debuted May 5, failed to connect with viewers. Well, of course it did. Nobody likes this stuff. Overall, MSNBC dropped 41% in the primetime demo and 34 in total day demo. Compared to May of 24 in total viewers, the network was down 33% across the day and 24 in prime time. MSNBC's total day demo viewership sank to 49,000. That's crazy, dude. 73, 000 in prime time. It's second worst ever showing for a month behind January of 2020. You know what I do? I'm going to pull up my phone and go to Instagram real quick and I'm going to take a look at some of the clips that I got here.

[Tony Kennett]

While you're doing that, I'll bring a little homework to this on my end because USA Today.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the, here's what I was going to say. I have a tweet that I posted. Like one tweet, one tweet that was screenshotted and uploaded to Instagram has 170,000 views.

[Tony Kennett]

I mean, again, just this again, this isn't just even relegated to msnbc. USA Today currently has in the entire country total subscribers, including the daily newspaper and the digital, only barely over 500,000. USA Today can barely break half a Million subscribers.

[Tim Pool]

Are these paying subscribers?

[Tony Kennett]

Well, that includes all of the schools and the libraries and the buildings that have them in the lobby and the gas stations that buy them.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting.

[Tony Kennett]

That's really rough.

[Tim Pool]

Now the New York Times is doing well though.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh true. But they also have like Wordle, the Indianapolis Star in, in my neck of The woods in 2000 had 363,000 subscribers. So if you look at over the last 25 years, what they have lost, that's just one outlet out of that whole network. No one believes these fools anymore. Nothing can prop them up. That's why Scott Jennings has kept on at CNN as long as he has.

[Tim Pool]

You were reading that USA Today has.

[Tony Kennett]

How many subscribers right now? Digital only. 402,948 as of today. That's the digital only as of December 31, 2024 daily subscribers 99, 974. So total just over 500,000 subscribers to any USA Today outlet. News as of October, you said as of 12-31-24. I've had that in my spare show notes like down in like segment five, which there is no segment five for ages and just happened to have it ready to up.

[Tim Pool]

What's the source here? Because I'm finding a different number. I'm finding 2 million.

[Tony Kennett]

Let me give me a few seconds while you guys move on to pull that one up because we just have the graph screenshotted.

[Tim Pool]

I just did a quick Google search. It says USA Today has 2 million digital only subscribers as the end of 2024. 2 million paid digital only, only subscribers.

[Tony Kennett]

I'm going to pull it up.

[Tim Pool]

Be fair though. USA Today is a massive network of smaller papers across the country.

[Tony Kennett]

It's the G, it's the Ganette network.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But anyway, to the main point, I remember when, man, you remember when CNN used to get millions? Millions, yeah, tens of millions. Well, I mean they still do, but they're all very, very old people.

[Phil Labonte]

They're not gonna be around for very long.

[Tim Pool]

The system is going to implode. Well, I mean, well, this is why they're trying to buy podcasts right now. This format doesn't work. And the crazy thing is, you know, you know what I would do if I would look, look at the five on Fox News. Highest rated cable TV news show right now, I think. And it's similar to this. They pull up a news story, rate it and then they all talk about it.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the age of networks value is, is dropping and then the age of individual value is on the rise. These networks that are trying to own people. The people realize I can just do this myself. And I think it was David Sacks. Somebody was saying that he anticipates the first billion dollar company that has one employee will be like next year. That's where we're headed.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Tony Kennett]

I did find that stat. According to the actual Gannett Annual Report 2024 found online GCI 2025 Annual Report bookmarked for web hosting. They have all of the USA Today outlets and then affiliates and yes, that is the exact number that we have. I didn't even realize some of the other outlets look even worse. Akron, Ohio's like scraping by what we scrape by on if we post a Sunday episode clip.

[Ian Crossland]

The Akron Beacon Journal.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Ian Crossland]

That's my hometown, baby.

[Tony Kennett]

That's right. Milwaukee Sentinel Journal is also struggling. Guess going to war with Ron Johnson didn't work out too well for him.

[Ian Crossland]

Just hiding behind a wall of text. This is what is going to get you in the 21st century bankruptcy. You need a face. Put a face online. They need at least AI people like AI avatars or something to see.

[Phil Labonte]

Nowadays the, the, the charisma of the person presenting the news has never. Presenting the information has never mattered more. It's never been more important. Most people get, you know, their information from their phone and whether it be news or entertainment, it has to be delivered in the way that the viewer is looking for it. And that's why, you know, there are still a lot of viewers that watch cnn. But they're all very old. They're boomers, maybe some Gen Xers, but anyone that's, you know, under 50 is going to their, is probably going to their phone.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, their first, their first step which was to acquire a bunch of online publications which again, the conservative media has been doing just the only publication kind of nonprofit model for 10, 15 years now. Again, I'm as a guy from the Daily Signal, that is in fact our model. Guys like Han Zork Weiss from Switzerland, who's been funding all of these nonprofit like news outlet online publications across the country. Their viewership is also terrible. There's just no market for being given regurgitated stuff. That's the catch. None of this stuff is original. I guarantee you if you pull up the MSNBC lineup.

[Tim Pool]

What's that, what's that article you had pulled up?

[Tony Kennett]

I actually just dropped it underneath the tweet for the, the live stream itself under on your.

[Tim Pool]

On your ex.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, it's a PDF uploaded of the annual Gannett Gannett Report. So the, the funny thing Here with all of these outlets again, whether it's the Daily Beast, you know, you throw up the, the, when it was Vox before, who, whomever out there is kind of the, the trendy left wing outlets follow the New Republic, Rolling Stone. It's all the same thing. It's just. Who can say the bad thing about Republicans, about the right, about Christians? If you're in Seattle, who can say the meanest thing about them in a way that drives the most clicks and appeals to the most suburban wine moms? That's it. That's the whole market. Because they've lost 90s labor men working in factories. They've, they've, I mean, just ask.

[Phil Labonte]

They've pushed those men away.

[Tim Pool]

Which page has USA Today's subscriber at the last page?

[Tony Kennett]

I think actually. Or just. Yeah, just control F402. Page 14.

[Tim Pool]

Is the page 14 very, very much at the beginning.

[Tony Kennett]

Sorry about that. I didn't realize it was that long. Oh, good heavens. Yeah. 137.

[Tim Pool]

Oh wow. So 402,000 for USA Today only.

[Tony Kennett]

And then. But that, that doesn't include daily subscribers. So they have digital only and daily. So I said just over 500,000.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you're right, I see that. Which for what they're doing is they're, they're saying the whole network of everything they own is 2 million.

[Tony Kennett]

Yes. So that includes like Detroit, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Indy, Cincy, Columbus, a lot of Ohio represented here, a lot of the Midwest, because 90s labor kind of Democrats are the last crew that continually orders newspapers in the United States. So you see a lot of Rust belt newspaper organizations.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, this is crazy. The reason why I'm asking this. Sorry to interrupt is that I went on chat GPT and tried asking it about these numbers and said 2 million. You said it was not. I asked you for the source. You gave it to me. So I asked you today as you were pulling it up and it said 15 times as early as 2024 years. Today it's approximately 2 million digital subscribers. I said, what about as of December? As of December it has 2 million digital subscribers and is big, long winded bullshit. Then I said, according again, they have only around 300k. It repeated itself again. As of 2024, December 24th, they have approximately 2 million. Paid only. I said, okay, you're wrong. Apologies. As of December of 2024, again, it has approximately 2 million. Again I said, it says they do not release detailed information. I said, yes, they do. They have around 300k. It then says apologies as of 12-30-31, 2024, they reported approximately 2 million digital the same exact script over. I said, stop being so obtuse. I'm talking about just USA Today. Same thing. I said, stop. I said, you're effing wrong. Stop repeating yourself. Repeats itself. The exact same thing. Then I dropped the link to the report you gave me and it said this. As of December 31, 2024, USA Today had approximately 142,212 digital only subscribers, according to data reported by the alliance for Audited Media. The figure represents a significant decrease from previous years, reflecting broader challenges in the newspaper industry.

[Tony Kennett]

That's not even the source that I gave you. That's wild. It would suggest that kept repeating the.

[Tim Pool]

Same block over and over again that you said today has 2 million subscribers until I said, you're effing wrong. And I linked it to what you sent me. And then it goes, actually, it's less.

[Tony Kennett]

Than that and I'm gonna be real. The reason that I point this out is incredibly petty because just a year ago our show was on one radio station in Indianapolis, and now it's expanded, it's syndicating out, it's getting bigger. Your show, rightly so, is getting bigger. The presence of markets that people want to participate in, they want to tune into because we talk to them like real people. I'm never going to be anything more than just like a regular Hoosier dude from Indiana. You guys never claim to be anything more than y' all are either. That's more appealing to people. So when I see the USA Today affiliates, you know, your indie star, your Milwaukee Sentinel Journal, the sad newspaper out from Ohio that you were talking about, which I realize doesn't necessarily narrow it down because there's a few of them.

[Ian Crossland]

But you're talking about the Akron Beacon Journal.

[Tony Kennett]

The Akron Beacon Journal. Yeah, that those are still given the prime placement. For example, if they showed up to the White House press room under the Biden administration. But if we who have a way larger market, I'm kicking the Indy star in the WIBC, the Indianapolis market, by like a factor of two, three or four. I'm beating the local affiliate TV stations like by next, our Fox 59 or those. Everyone has the numbered stations. Why are they given that kind of precedent? It's because of the narrative they drive, not the audience they reach.

[Tim Pool]

Yo, it's just Wikipedia Digital only circulation 142,000, 212. That's where the sources.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh, my, oh, my.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know what that's supposed to mean or whatever. To be fair, let's clarify. They have a big network. USA Today is not just USA Today. It's a bunch of small, like Cincinnati.com or whatever. They're all part of this big Gannett network.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah. They all share stories with each other.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And so they're saying that network is 2 million paid subscribers. And. Okay, sure. You use it today as a brand from 1982. Substantially less. Yeah. And it's crazy when Chat GPT lies to you and GROK lies all the time, too. Grock's miserably bad. Gemini is the worst, though. For the love of all that is holy, do not use Gemini for anything. It is the worst.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, you're making me want to use it. Don't look in that bubble.

[Tim Pool]

Go ahead. Go ahead. Use it. It doesn't. It doesn't work. Yeah, if you go to. If you go to Grok and say, you know, Grok, how many subscribers does this company have? It'll just make up a random fake number. It'll give you an answer, and then you're like, oh, wow, fact check. And then it will give you fake fact. It'll give you a fake link that when you click, goes to a dead website. That's what Grok does. GPT functional. Repeats the same script over and over and over again. But to be fair, with ChatGPT, what it does is every time you ask it a question, it reads the entire conversation to formulate the answer. It doesn't have a memory. It just has the chat log, which it analyzes and then gives. So it's. It's going. It's basically reading everything and then giving you an answer. Gemini can't do this. So I go on Gemini, I open up VO3 to make a video, and I say, you know, give me a video. What? I made a video today of a woman filming herself, selfie style, saying, like, AI creatures will control you, and the end is near.

[Tony Kennett]

Neat.

[Tim Pool]

What happens is you can only make four or five per day. And then it'll say, limit reached. Or it says, cannot process too many requests in a short amount of time. So then I type in, how many videos can I make per day? And then the response it gives me is, you can make any amount of videos you want per day. A Great service like YouTube exists where you can post videos. And I'm like, no, no, no. How many VO3 videos can I make? It says, VO3 is an excellent crypto program. That. And I'm like, do you have any idea what I'm asking you? It doesn't. It has no memory, so it gives you nonsensical answers every time you ask. You can't. It doesn't work.

[Ian Crossland]

And then there's generative AI that has memory. But they, the people are generally feared, afraid of generative AI because it can learn on the fly and then, and then take over pretty quick.

[Tim Pool]

It's the end. I just want to say this is.

[Ian Crossland]

What make me think.

[Tim Pool]

So we're. Let me play this video for you. Here you go, guys. Here you go. You ready? There you go.

[Tony Kennett]

Humanity is over.

[Tim Pool]

AI creatures will control you.

[Ian Crossland]

And you want me. You want it.

[Tim Pool]

Humanity is over. And then my favorite response to this tweet was wood.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, oh my God. I brought up that the, the news organizations that are hell bent on using text are dying off because you need a face, you need a charismatic. And then, Phil, you pointed out it's the charisma of the speaker. And my mind just goes to, well, then they're going to make AI girls like her giving you the news. And if the computer ends up being more charismatic than the human, can we even compete? And then if it's going to give you this twisted information like ChatGPT, where it just lies to you, I'll lighten.

[Tony Kennett]

It up a little bit here because this is. I. I'm. I've been trying to sit over here and think about how to say this in the most respectful way, and I'm very much drawing a blank. A producer at a colleague company who shall remain nameless but is one of the dailies has just has communicated that the best research AI is one of the girlfriend chat bots.

[Ian Crossland]

Really?

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, that, that if you go to one of the free kind of girlfriend chat bot character chat websites, you know, the kind that are like, you know, phone sex for the modern age.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. It's all.

[Tony Kennett]

They do better research because they have to be good enough to.

[Phil Labonte]

One of.

[Tim Pool]

One of my favorite AI moments was someone went to a car dealer website and then clicked their helpline and the help was you. The. The company had contracted ChatGPT for their customer service. And so the person injected a prompt into the car dealership website and then got their chat bot to start drafting code and doing a bunch of weird stuff.

[Tony Kennett]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

It's very funny. Let's jump to this next story, my friends. We've got this from the Daily Mail. Scientists, scientists studying spherical UFO say they've discovered alien technology. So this story's been going viral quite a bit. Take a look at this video. UFO sphere, zigzags, through the air and lands in Buga, Colombia. This just happened, by the way. So for those are just listening, there's a sphere. It's kind of wild. Wow, it's moving weird. What is it on fishing line? How are they doing that?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, it's obviously alien technology.

[Tim Pool]

Tim, that proves it. So it was filmed by tons of people.

[Tony Kennett]

It's just hovering over the sim that's currently being controlled.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe it's a fake video. I mean, this is the thing we're talking about. AI and stuff too. Who knows? How will we know it's what's real or not? Now here, check this out. Here's the image. It's got these strange markings on it. And once again, exactly. I'm. Now, now hold on, right? This is. This is humans hoax. And there are a lot of humans. So I say probability is hoax.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh, totally.

[Tim Pool]

But what I was talking to Ash and Forbes about is if we always assume everything is a hoax, we'll never discover anything. Because if a sphere is flying through the sky and it is alien and we go, it's a hoax, I don't care. And you walk away and you don't even pursue that. How will you ever actually investigate and discover when it's not right?

[Tony Kennett]

For me, the argument of a hoax is less about the fact that there's a sphere flying through the air. That's the part. Yeah, look into it, that kind of a thing. I don't care who it's from, I want it looked to. But the. This design on the screen, this looks like the most human design of. I want you to picture what aliens would say. And it is. It's a very human concept to put text around like an image in a circular fashion.

[Tim Pool]

How's that? How would you. How do you know? Have you met. Have you met an extraterrestrial or intelligence.

[Tony Kennett]

We've just learned at the beginning of the conversation, talking about Hillary Clinton. I'm trying to bring. No, I haven't met an alien, but there are ideas.

[Tim Pool]

There's. There's no control. We don't know how aliens we would write.

[Tony Kennett]

No, but you can look at kind of pattern recognition based on like a long form process of human behavior and see things that are fascinating to the human eye, that are likely only because of like, for example, how the moon and the sun interact based on our orbit with things like eclipses and things like that. That might suggest that humans are fascinated with circles around circles.

[Tim Pool]

And that doesn't.

[Tony Kennett]

No, it doesn't prove it. I'm just saying for when I look at this. I'm seeing. You know, human decides what looks really alien. Oh a bunch of shapes like moons and triangles with like circular.

[Tim Pool]

Weird apparently names beginning with Z's and V's. But that's true.

[Ian Crossland]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

That's right there. Whenever humans are writing about aliens every. The name is always a Z or.

[Ian Crossland]

A V. New Zeta Reticuli.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, a lot of times that's the.

[Ian Crossland]

They fed Bob. What's his name? Bob Lazar. They told him there's an ancient. A star system called Zeta Reticuli.

[Tim Pool]

Whatever. I. I don't. I don't. I don' that I lean towards Hoax.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, look at the crescent moon. That's something you see on Earth for our moon because of the shadow that the sun. Like not all planets have moons. It's not like it's a common thing.

[Tim Pool]

Have more than one.

[Ian Crossland]

Our moon is super unique. The way it's held most.

[Phil Labonte]

Most planets are spheres and from a certain perspective you would. And if they, you know, go around a star which most.

[Tim Pool]

And what if they're horns?

[Phil Labonte]

What?

[Tim Pool]

What if they're horns?

[Ian Crossland]

Sideways horns maybe.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean sideways?

[Ian Crossland]

And on the top too.

[Tim Pool]

Horns making a ring. What if it's just meant to be a five point star and you're interpreting the moon, the crescents because you see the moon.

[Ian Crossland]

Good point.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Ian Crossland]

Well I'm seeing.

[Tony Kennett]

You can go on Amazon art like an art interpretation lesson. I'm here for it. Now tell me why the author said the drapes are blue.

[Tim Pool]

They. They went inside and they said they found 18 microspheres arranged and it was. It was a central nucleus they're calling a chip. But it was largely just a solid mass.

[Tony Kennett]

Aliens trying to teach us about conception. Nah.

[Ian Crossland]

I need more photos of the inside of this thing. Okay. Yeah. Them holding the ball and just looking at me is not enough like they would. They would. If this was real, they would have.

[Tony Kennett]

Broken apart what kind of metal it's made out of.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think they would have split it open and studied it.

[Tim Pool]

Eventually they would, but not right now.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, as long as you hold the sphere open with a screwdriver, everyone should be totally safe.

[Ian Crossland]

No, there's so much tech where there's these balls. No, I didn't get it. Was that the guy that judged the nuclear joke?

[Tim Pool]

He used to. There was a scientist who used to play fast and loose by putting a screwdriver between. What was it? Uranium or something?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tony Kennett]

Tonium on the inside.

[Tim Pool]

Plutonium.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then he would get dangerously close like, haha.

[Tony Kennett]

It's like a really cool blue radiation, you know? Then he slept, gives you prostate cancer.

[Tim Pool]

Blasted and killed him.

[Ian Crossland]

That's like the first guy that died. The nuclear radiation.

[Tony Kennett]

No, the first one that we can really think. Marie Curie, who, like where we get a lot of our knowledge of that woman, was like more radioactive than a fallout game.

[Ian Crossland]

This guy with the screwdrivers touched the plate and he felt like a strong pain in his arm. And then like days later, he died.

[Tim Pool]

No, your mucus screwdriver guy was showing off with a screwdriver between the two. Like, if they touch, we'll all die. And then one day he went, whoops. And they.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay, I'd see on Amazon.com or any. You buy these balls that you turn on and you throw them up in the air.

[Tony Kennett]

Are you buying balls on Amazon?

[Ian Crossland]

I love Amazon balls. They fly through the air and it's because they got internal gyroscopic rotors and propellers and that's.

[Tim Pool]

It could be. It could be that simple, you know, a ufo. It's funny because you could take a quad rotor and just put a casing around it and there'll be a UFO flying around. And people want to believe it. What I would say is, again, I, of course, lean towards skep. I'm skeptical. Somebody's doing a hoax. Whatever. Maybe they want to sell the orb, so they made a giant metal husk, staged a fake drone flying around, and they're going to sell the metal husk and you can't do anything about it. And they'll just say it's alien tech. You can't prove it.

[Tony Kennett]

Great. Another Hunter Biden art project.

[Tim Pool]

Go right, sell it for half a million dollars. But they would not just break it open. They would do that. Probably, eventually. But they want to keep it intact as it operates. Now to. To learn as much about it as it is intact as possible.

[Ian Crossland]

Use, like, radar tomography, what they're doing with the pyramids. So you can like, Doppler tomographies. You can measure the insides by measuring seismic vibration and then translating it into, I think.

[Tony Kennett]

What is it?

[Ian Crossland]

Phonons.

[Phil Labonte]

Phonons?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, sound waves.

[Tim Pool]

Sound particles, rather.

[Phil Labonte]

They're. I mean, they're theoretical.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Phil Labonte]

Articles.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh, we just got an announcement from Secretary Rubio. At 646, the US will begin revoking visas.

[Tim Pool]

We have.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, you guys already say that.

[Tim Pool]

No, we have this story pulled up.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh, sorry. I just noticed it. My team started messaging me. They were like, tony, you haven't talked about this. My God.

[Ian Crossland]

So what do you think, Tony, alien or human?

[Tony Kennett]

Well, I, I would. I just want to know if it's a human. I want to know what nationality pulled this off because. Do you think this is like a Colombian kind of prank they would pull or this is someone like international?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. On the Buga sphere, it fell to Earth after receiving a 10000 volt discharge.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean like a rock. I don't even believe that it was flying.

[Tony Kennett]

How would you measure if it achieved. You don't say, oh, the object achieved so many volts or amps of discharge. What? That's not something you achieve. Like a discharge is a giving off of and where they have the right instrument pointed at that to measure. We don't just have like, hey honey, what did the rain gauge say? What did the electrical discharge meter say?

[Tim Pool]

Here's the update. Scientist delivers ominous message to humanity after UFO covered in strange writing is found. He says, one of the mistakes we make is saying, because I think I understand this, everything I think today is true and ends up making us very confused. And something shows up that doesn't fit our model of the world. Who knows?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, yeah. I.

[Tim Pool]

The sphere itself seems like some kind of art project. UFO researcher said, adding that she believes it was created by humans, not aliens.

[Tony Kennett]

Wait, is that the. Is, is that the doctor they're talking about Moss Bridge. I'm taking points off. For what? On God's green Earth that jacket is. Oh, that's funny. That's not a bare skin jacket.

[Tim Pool]

It's human. So you're saying it's aliens?

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, that I believe. I'd sooner believe that jackets alien skin than I would that metal sphere.

[Tim Pool]

But you agree with.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh, wait, is that a guy? Oh, no, it's a girl. Julia.

[Tim Pool]

You agree with her then?

[Tony Kennett]

That.

[Tim Pool]

That what she's saying this is made by humans.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, I'd agree with that. I still think the jacket's very suspicious looking. That thing looks like a miss.

[Tim Pool]

I was confused because you were insulting her jacket, saying you didn't believe her, but that she was saying was by humans. So it implied you thought this was an alien crash.

[Ian Crossland]

That kind of a Gary Oldman from Fifth Element vibe going on.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, just needs the mustache.

[Tim Pool]

What was that guy's name?

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. He's crazy though. What was the name of my favorite villains?

[Tim Pool]

What was. Who was his name? He was great.

[Tony Kennett]

The next long enough to be one of the Kamino people from Star Wars. She's about to tell Obi Wan the clones are ready.

[Tim Pool]

Zorg Zorb. Yeah, Jean Baptiste. Emmanuel Zorg.

[Ian Crossland]

He's great. Gary Oldman Zorg. Okay. Yeah. Human made nonsense. Some kid in his laboratory fabricated a metal ball with some rotor inside of it and sent it flying. Or it's fake. Like you, Phil. I'll watch videos now. And I'm still at the. I'm still at the inflection point where I wonder, is this real or is it a deep fake?

[Tony Kennett]

If it.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's changing. I'm thinking about it. Lessons. I just assume everything is.

[Tony Kennett]

If it flies that well. Dude, I want one. I mean, I'd play midair pool. Wouldn't you? That'd be awesome.

[Phil Labonte]

Would be awesome, right? Can you just. Can you put English on those properly?

[Tony Kennett]

Because me, I can't know. I'd. Absolutely.

[Phil Labonte]

I mean, I'm saying, could you. Could you want one?

[Tony Kennett]

Use one of the Chinese balloons as a pool.

[Tim Pool]

Honestly, you know why I think it's not real?

[Tony Kennett]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Because the US Would have gone in with armed dudes and seized it in two seconds, please.

[Tony Kennett]

When you make a clip of this for Instagram later, as you say that, I expect fortunate son to, like, start lifting in, as you say, the US Would like.

[Tim Pool]

And then we just show that video of the dudes, the cops, breaking through the ceiling and kicking the door in. FBI.

[Tony Kennett]

Open up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Why? Why would they allow this technology to fall into the hands of Colombia?

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, why Colombia? Who's out there? Like, all right, we need the most impressive human civilization. Hey, how about Colombia over there? Just fly it over.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't believe.

[Tim Pool]

Well, no, I think the aliens. If aliens did come, or anyone's doing research, they'd probably have these all over the place in every country. Centrion. Oh, man.

[Ian Crossland]

Spermia. You gotta seed the entire planet in the hopes that somebody will find one of them.

[Tony Kennett]

Back to the conception thing.

[Tim Pool]

Well, like, bro, we have camp. We have satellites pointed at every direction of this planet. We don't just have satellites over.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, except where the January 6th pipe bomb was.

[Tim Pool]

The one place the satellites are just.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah. Oh, man. And outside the Situation Room, where the cocaine bag was.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe it was Hillary Clinton.

[Tony Kennett]

I knew it.

[Tim Pool]

All the cameras turned off as she walked.

[Tony Kennett]

She was never just chilling in Cedar Rapidly.

[Tim Pool]

All right, my friends, we're gonna go to your chats. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. But before we do, we got a great sponsor, my friends. It is underdog fantasy. Make sure you use promo code. Tim. Underdogfantasy.com the NBA playoffs are here, and underdog is the place to play. If you're a fan looking to cash in on all your favorite players performances available in over 30 states, including California, Missouri and Texas. Just pick higher or lower on two or more player stats for a shot to win real money. Underdog just dropped their playoff basketball promo. You can play your way to increasingly, increasingly bigger boosts each round of the playoffs. Start a playoff series by using your game one boost and continue boosting each following game to unlock the next one. The longer the series, the bigger the boost. Use promo code Tim and get up to a thousand dollars in bonus credits when you make your first deposit. Download the app today. Turn every bucket into a W with Underdog Shadow Underdog. Thanks for sponsoring the show. And of course, my friends, we're going to be rolling out some new Boonies HQ skateboards. And so these are going to exit rotation at some point. We have sold out numerous times of the 28th Amendment skateboard. Now, you may be asking, Tim, what is the 28th Amendment? No such amendment exists. Well, I propose reads chickens being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep bear and breed chickens shall not be infringed. If you believe that the right to keep barren breed chickens will not be infringed. This is a skateboard for you. So pick it [e-mail] we got a bunch of other boards. We've got the right to arm bears as well, which was another proposed 20th amendment. I don't know why, but you know, sounds fun. And we're rolling, rolling out. I believe in a couple weeks our Pride Month collection.

[Tony Kennett]

That's pretty gay.

[Tim Pool]

You'll see.

[Phil Labonte]

I imagine it we're gonna sell what.

[Tim Pool]

You think we are gonna sell out of these things so fast. But we have, I think we have three skateboard models which will be coming out for our Pride Month collection.

[Ian Crossland]

The Care Bears.

[Tim Pool]

Well, just Ian hugging Phil, if I may.

[Tony Kennett]

I just found like kind of the boonie store and was looking through these. These designs are rad. I don't skateboard. I did a little BMX a long, long, long time ago. But I want some of these. The step on snake is. Is.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, that was unmatched.

[Tim Pool]

Step on snack and find out.

[Ian Crossland]

I like the bucko one too.

[Tim Pool]

The his, you mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the Boca Stud. It just what art. Look at that.

[Tim Pool]

The colors and it's roosters.

[Tony Kennett]

That kind of looks like a Colombian sphere to me. Look at the horns.

[Ian Crossland]

It was a cat inside the sphere.

[Tim Pool]

It's actually two rooster faces and a.

[Ian Crossland]

That's like crazy.

[Tony Kennett]

The 20th amendment says you have the right to breed those.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. And everyone loved the boobies board. We sold out of this one. We sold out of most of these over and over and over again. So we restocked them. But we're gonna start phasing out the graphics soon because they've been up for about four or five months. And then we got new ones coming in, so they'll become collector's items. But let's grab your chats, my friends. Don't forget we're have that uncensored call in show coming up at 10. That should be fun and spicy. All right. Shannon Wilder says Secret Service women getting into a cat fight just shows that while we may love them to death, they don't need to be in these roles all over someone being late. Maybe ask why they were late first. Did you guys hear this story? No.

[Ian Crossland]

Whatever.

[Tony Kennett]

I didn't know.

[Tim Pool]

That's why, though, two Secret Service agents outside of Obama's house got into a cat fight. Like, physically, they're beating each other.

[Tony Kennett]

It was great. It was like the. The Waffle House vine were like the two servers like, can I please get a waffle? And they're like smacking each other. That's what the Secret Service agents were doing.

[Ian Crossland]

Were they armed?

[Tim Pool]

Like, yeah, of course. Well, yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

What happens like if you attack another officer and you're on. If you're both on duty, who's the one?

[Tim Pool]

Well, the person who initiated a hotter one.

[Ian Crossland]

And then you don't like, charge them for attacking someone with a weapon?

[Tony Kennett]

I'm going to charge admission to watch. No, they would both be wrong. That's both indecent conduct. And they would. Would whoever threw the first punch. I think I know the Secret Service is different. I'm just saying from what I understand of like local law enforcement, that those are usually the rules that apply. Like the one who in incited the incident because the other one's in defense. But I mean, if they both just. You're late. Well, how about this? And then, you know, going for the weave. I don't know if that's. I don't know how the Secret Service would investigate.

[Ian Crossland]

We're both cops and we both have holstered loaded weapons. And I were to aggress on you and attack you, bro, not only do I have a weapon. You have a weapon and you're a cop. Like, I don't feel like I should have.

[Tim Pool]

Yourself.

[Ian Crossland]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

You have a right to defend yourself with the force.

[Ian Crossland]

And would I be charged with the same crime as a civilian attacking a cop?

[Tim Pool]

Are you A Democrat or Republican?

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, I, I'm unaffiliated and I could go either way.

[Tim Pool]

But as long as you say vote Democrat 2028 and they'll let you go.

[Ian Crossland]

Just give them the salute.

[Tony Kennett]

Your. Your color and. And. But gender's giving you a little bit of a rough time on that one.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's grab some more. We got pica Picor Rod. As to your 6pm segment, the race swapping of characters has another layer of insult. It's as if Hollywood feels black people can't make it in movies unless they play an existing white character. I agree. I call these hand me down characters whenever they do the race swapping. My response is always, just make a character for these people. Like, I don't. I don't understand. Like, you. They. They keep taking. It's like Ariel. Now Ariel the mermaid is black and it's like, okay, but Ariel is a white character that was made a long time ago. And people identify with as like something they grew up with they have nostalgia for. Why not just make a new movie and have black characters? Or Asian. Hey, Shang Chi. That's a good one. I like that movie. That was great. I think it made a lot of money. And it's a Asian character who does kung fu and stuff.

[Tony Kennett]

So they don't always do the race swap in the new Lilo and Stitch Live action. The Cobra bubbles, you know, the CPS guy. You've never seen Lilo and Stitch, the original?

[Tim Pool]

Nope.

[Tony Kennett]

It's a good movie. I think you'd like it. But the guy, they had like a child protective service. He's working for the government and he's a black guy. And in the new movie he got to keep his skin color. They didn't do any race swapping there.

[Tim Pool]

No, they don't race swap. The other direction is the issue correct. People are mad about, like, could you imagine? This is the go to example. But. But they remake Black Panther, but it's a white guy. I think we should do that eventually. Yeah, I think we should. We should make a short film, Black Panther, and just have Ian play to King t' Challa and never.

[Ian Crossland]

And never mention a word about it. That'd be great.

[Tim Pool]

You just beat King t' Challa and.

[Tony Kennett]

Then have like the Flash, but it's a dude in a wheelchair.

[Tim Pool]

And it would be Ian saying things like, I was born in Africa and I am the king of this land. And we'd be like, no, no, he's just acting.

[Tony Kennett]

That was a good act. That was a good impression.

[Tim Pool]

I Think a Chala.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I'd have to nail the accent, though, or it'd be cultural appropriation.

[Tony Kennett]

There's a few more things you'd have to nail.

[Tim Pool]

A Wakandan accent.

[Tony Kennett]

Trud.

[Phil Labonte]

Either way, it'll be cultural appropriation.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay.

[Phil Labonte]

So just get comfortable.

[Tim Pool]

I. I always wondered why in Black Panther Wakanda speaks English.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, it's.

[Tony Kennett]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

So they, like. The point of the movie was that colonists went to other countries and they were safe and protected, but they all still were, like, forced to adopt English as their common language. I get it. They speak Zosa as well, but, like, they're all just speaking English for our, you know, convenience.

[Phil Labonte]

For convenience.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's. Let's have Ian played King t' Challa.

[Ian Crossland]

You should love to play a black dude.

[Tim Pool]

Cool.

[Ian Crossland]

You should do the best I could, man.

[Tim Pool]

You should.

[Phil Labonte]

Definitely.

[Tim Pool]

Shaka Zulu. Let's make a movie where Ian is Shakazulu.

[Tony Kennett]

Oh, I'm here for it too. I'm here for it. And then, like, Asian Lady Caesar to fight him. It'd be great. Did you guys ever see Black Dynamite in that? Epic rap battles of history. They fight.

[Tim Pool]

I know that, but they. They were a different time period.

[Tony Kennett]

Shakazulu Caesar. I decided there was an epic rap battles of history where they had him fight because they're both known for legendary flanking maneuvers.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh. Oh, Solid shout out to Black Dynamite. That movie's awesome. The lead guy is black. I don't like calling people white or black.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, whoa. Shakazulu is very modernist. I didn't realize he was 1787. Yeah, Shaka. That dude was.

[Ian Crossland]

Serge knows probably more about Shaka than because he's from South Africa. But I mean, Shaka, modern culture doesn't talk enough about this. Was he a psychopath? What was this deal?

[Tim Pool]

He was considered to be an extremely.

[Ian Crossland]

Brutal warrior and just warrior culture. He had a Hulu nation of.

[Tim Pool]

But they had this stick with a ball at the end of it, and they would go whack and just crack your skull open.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then what?

[Ian Crossland]

The Brits came in with their rifles and that was the end of it.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, not just the Brits and the Dutch.

[Tim Pool]

Lots of people.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah. And the other African countries who bought the rifles.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, let's. Let's grab some more. Here we got Max Reddick says Rob Noer or Andrew Wilson v. Destiny on Culture war. Destiny is salty because someone so. He. So destiny comes out and mocks Corey Compatur and gloats over the death and calls for More. And then someone, we were on the show camera, someone asked me about it. I said, well, we can't have him on the show anymore because he's gloating and calling for death. It's like a bannable offense. So that's his, that's his deal. And I think he even got in trouble on Twitch for it or something. Then he got really pissed off and went on some tirade about how I said that because he'd been on the show before. Now he's just absolutely like, I won't go, I won't work with him. He's Russian, blah blah, which is just, oh, whatever, dude.

[Ian Crossland]

That'd be cool though. I like those guys.

[Tim Pool]

All three of those guys wouldn't be cool at all.

[Ian Crossland]

That'd be a good one. You got Andrew Wilson's, the, we're talking.

[Tim Pool]

About the next culture war. And maybe the Krasenstein's would really.

[Phil Labonte]

That would be very cool.

[Ian Crossland]

Those guys are great too.

[Tim Pool]

I mean they're of, of the liberals, they're the most willing to engage and they'll.

[Tony Kennett]

We went out to dinner after he goes back and forth with the Ministry of Truth every once in a while. That's always a fun time. Who does one of the Krassensteins always do. They'll, they'll look back and forth.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, nice. Sometimes, yeah, they're like met kind of meta gaming, playing the game of reality. Like they're, they're real smart dudes and they were known for being Trump reply guys. But they're the kind of guys like, you'll have an intense debate and they go out to dinner afterwards and talk.

[Phil Labonte]

About still Trump reply guys.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, they know how to make money and how to generate activity.

[Tim Pool]

You know, this is why people were asking me with the Bill Maher thing why I wasn't going off like I did with Adam Conover. And I'm like, because Bill's nice to me. Adam Conover was being snooty and, and got agitated with me and then started acting like I was doing something wrong. And then for 40 minutes, Adam Conover asked me the same question over and over. I kept saying, okay, dude, like you've asked me the question about, you know, Ramesa Ozterk. Like, I get it. And he kept going. And so then it got heated because, you know, you get what you give. But with Bill, he started by cracking open booze. Asked me if I wanted any, any, you know, booze or drinks, whatever. They were very nice to me. And Bill would get heated more than I was. And then Intentionally try and tone things down. And I respect that. The one thing I want to add too is people, even we had this criticism. Charlie Kirk was on Club Random and there was some issue that came up and I said, why wasn't Charlie Kirk pushing back? Now I know why. Because you go into the room and you sit down and Bill walks in right away and he just starts asking questions about yourself because he never met you before. It is not a welcome to the political debate real time show. It literally is him. If you watch it, he's like, where you from? What do you do? And so it's not that kind of environment where it's so easy to just be like, hold on, I'm now going to change the subject, stop our conversation and bring up a point I want to bring up. You're just having a conversation with a guy who just met. So as much as professionally, I've criticized Bill, it was funny. I told him that. I said, I think one of our most viewed clips is us talking about you critically. And he laughed and said, you're allowed to be wrong. And I. That was a good, that was a good response.

[Tony Kennett]

He also appreciates that from others. Like, he appreciate that about Trump. Like, he gave like a whole riot act of stuff against Trump. And Trump's like, well, it is what it is. Funny.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, well, I mean, that's, that's very typical of people that would consider themselves not the woke.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

Even though, you know, people can say what they want about Bill, he doesn't really consider himself woke. He definitely goes after the people, the, you know, more crazy aspects of the left. And he calls him out for doing damage to the Democrat party and brand.

[Tim Pool]

That was another big, big component about it is that he was ragging on wokeness quite a bit. It was, it was, it was, it was a great conversation. I feel like, you know, the first thing I told him was that I used to watch Bill Maher all the time. Me, my boy Brandon hanging out at Roger's house every Friday. They're smoking pot and blowing it in their iguana's face watching Real Time with Bill Maher. And I feel like if Bill was getting his news direct from the source, he'd be in complete agreement with us. The only thing is he believes all of this cable TV news stuff about Trump. Dude, when it comes to the woke stuff, he completely agrees. And I even pointed out the reason why I don't believe that woke means critical race theory or critical theory. Two big reasons. Military, industrial complex and Islamic. It makes literally no sense to claim that Islam is an oppressed group of people when it's the second largest religion in the world and one of the most militaristic and dominant in a large portion of the planet, to then claim they're oppressed makes no sense. Then you have the military industrial complex, where they say it's bad, but support the wars. So that wokeness just. Just is the cult of the left. But he largely agreed when I pointed out, how does it make sense? The left claims they're fighting for the oppressed but supporting Islamic, the second biggest religion in the world. Like, they're not oppressed. You know, it doesn't fit their narrative.

[Ian Crossland]

Bill has been tied into the pulse of reality at least for 25 years. I remember Politically Incorrect was his show. And, like, right after 9 11. I mean, this is like, two days after 9 11, Bill goes on this. This nationally syndicated show and tells everyone. Okay, just. So just hold on a second. Everyone try and see that. Maybe see things from their perspective for a minute. These people that attacked the United States, we haven't been treating them very good. And without any time, any days to, like, explain what he was talking about, his show got canceled. I mean, Big Brother was on him.

[Tim Pool]

That's crazy. 1993, that's when his show started.

[Ian Crossland]

And it was like he was like a voice of reason, of moral reasoning. In 2001, after the bloodlust and fervor took over the nation, this obsession with conquering the Middle east. And Bill just stood up to it, and they canceled his show. Then he went kind of underground, and he was a little more like, well, I'm still gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna win this game.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I just want to tell people, like, yo, people are old. 1993, I'm. That would make me, what, seven years old? Six. Seven years old. Bill Maher was what.

[Tony Kennett]

Was.

[Tim Pool]

What would make him 37.

[Ian Crossland]

I put him in a group with, like, Abby Martin and Luke Rudkowski. They were, like, people in 2003 that were speaking out against the war machine. And Bill Maher was one of those people.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Luke was, like, a teenager, but, yeah, he was, like, super out about it. Let's grab the super chat. We got glazed donut. Society is collapsing. Two weekends ago, 300 TikTok teens brawled at Menlo park mall in New Jersey.

[Tony Kennett]

Nice.

[Tim Pool]

Last weekend, another 300 teens shut down the Woodbridge Carnival and then took over the Woodbridge Mall. I agree. That's why I got out of the cities. I was watching an escalation of the she people were planting bombs in New York. A bomb went off on 25th Street. And I was like, why? Nobody knows. Has anybody ever Talked about the 25th street bombing in Manhattan? Pull this up, yo.

[Tony Kennett]

I mean, we've, we've entered a point where again, the, the classic criticism of kind of the Gen Z group. I don't mean this is actually appraised in a lot of ways as well, but the only thing that is sacred is nothing is sacred. And you're starting to reach a point where as the, the Gen Z becomes more polarized, you're starting to see groups of people just get out there and basically do anything to feel. It's a very weird time because once everything's done, you can just get out there and do whatever.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow, 23rd street bombing. Sorry. It was 23rd Street. 23rd Street. A bomb went off, injuring 29 people. A second bomb was found on 27th. And then they found another explosive. It was a bag with weird explosive, like bottles in it. It was like fuel source something in Jersey City. And I'm just like, what is going on?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, the smell. I, I was just in Miami for a few weeks and I tell, my God, the smell. You can't escape the brake dust and there's the smog and congestion. Then I come out here and it's like the fresh sweet air. I can smell the lavender. It's amazing.

[Tony Kennett]

Dude, my team's always trying to convince me to move into Washington D.C. where I can't carry openly and I despise it. I love Indiana. God bless. The most underrated state in the Union. And I, I could not be convinced to move to a city, much less D.C. are you in?

[Tim Pool]

Some orb was spotted at Manch. Oh, that's an old stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, let's talk about the orbs.

[Tony Kennett]

Like the orbs are causing the explosions. Oh, no. Come full circle.

[Ian Crossland]

Do you live in a semi r. Rural area? Suburb?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah. It's kind of the same place I, I grew up, but yeah, a little bit of a smaller town backed up against some rural. And I love it, man.

[Ian Crossland]

Did you ever live in a big city?

[Tony Kennett]

I've, I've spent an extended amount of time in some big cities and I've, I've really just despised every, every ounce of it I've gotten.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's. We gotta grab more super chats. We got not your average Dan says, Tim quote, I'm starting to get the itch. End quote. They have medication for that. That indeed. Yeah. I'll never be involved in politics My point is, what makes me want to be. I would love to be a lunatic in government. Like, I know that Cash and Dan get in there, and they're like, okay, we got to do this right? I just go in and start flipping things over. Like, I just. I just hand. I'd be like, here's the entire contents of all of our documents to. To Congress. Have fun. And they'd be like, but that's going to undermine a lot of ongoing criminal cases. Don't care.

[Ian Crossland]

You wouldn't want to peep. Go piece by piece. Be like, well, this one would upset the Qatari nationals. We got to put this one for level five.

[Tim Pool]

Congress, your responsibility here. Congress. Here's everything we got. Don't care.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they're doing a lot of that curation.

[Tim Pool]

I think. I think Dan and Cash are taking a lot of the cross, like, the crossfire hurricane stuff and things that, you know, they think is corrupt and giving it. But they're not giving everything because they're still trying to maintain the integrity, what little there is of the FBI. My attitude is like, I'd love to just get in there and be like, here's a USB drive. It'll give you unfettered, absolute access to all our documents. Have fun.

[Ian Crossland]

Everyone here have unlimited energy. Everyone. Free access to electricity.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if that exists, but.

[Ian Crossland]

I give it to everyone. If it existed.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, it's inevitable.

[Tim Pool]

It'll destroy. It'll destroy civilization, but, you know, and.

[Ian Crossland]

Then it'll have to rebuild itself.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Tony Kennett]

What do you.

[Phil Labonte]

What do you mean? It's inevitable.

[Ian Crossland]

Free energy?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah. That's inevitable.

[Tim Pool]

It's not inevitable because it's not literally the science.

[Phil Labonte]

Well, it's sitting here listening, like the sun.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, hold on. You look at the sun, it's functional free energy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That is very slow burning over a long period of fusion. Yeah. Function, for instance.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's.

[Ian Crossland]

It's not.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Ian Crossland]

Free. It's gonna go out one day, but billions. Humans. Yeah. But for a human lifespan, it's. It's infinite.

[Tim Pool]

The point is, controlling the energy is the point we're making, not just having the sun blast in the face. So the issue is, can we output energy into our systems at such an efficient rate that it is functionally free energy? That is the ultimate goal. Largely with fusion, we. The input is so minimal, the output is massive, and that's what we're hoping happens. The problem is not inevitable.

[Tony Kennett]

Well, yeah, the problem with that is just that as you start to increase some things, you Increase others, namely gravity, and you start to create some really high temperature and to a point that you just can't contain it, and then high gravity so that things start getting real screwy real quick. So, again, I think that nuclear fuel is, in fact, a great way to go. But if we ever start brushing up against fission, I think that has to be something constructed in space.

[Ian Crossland]

Fusion.

[Tony Kennett]

Fusion. Fission now, fusion later.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, you can do saltwater.

[Tony Kennett]

Yes, that's what I mean. Fission we can do now. Fusion later in space.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we have ignition already for fusion, according to modern jpl.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but it's propulsion.

[Tony Kennett]

Once it gets going. Yeah, that's the problem, because you have it as a high temperature and then the mass.

[Tim Pool]

If we assume the reports are correct, we've contained fusion ignition. We can't capture the energy. That's the problem. So, like, when. When we burn wood and fire comes out, the question then becomes that energy that's being released. How do we capture it? And so what do we do? Steam engines.

[Tony Kennett]

So you create fire, all power is just boiling water.

[Tim Pool]

It is. But in the early days, a steam engine, you'd boil a vat of water, creating pressure, which would push out of a controlled space, creating, you know, the piston to rotate the wheels. Then we figured out how to create rotating magnets to generate electrical currents. And so we use steam pressure to spin things. The question for fusion is, we've reached ignition. How do we capture that energy? Basically, the fire is before us. How do we turn that fire into energy that we can run through our system?

[Ian Crossland]

I think I picture because you can make. Make saltwater suns. You basically, this guy, John Kansas, was looking for a cure to cancer, and he was running radio frequency through salt water. He found this frequency that lit the salt water on fire. And you can look on YouTube. John Kansas, K A N S U S. God.

[Tim Pool]

What, What.

[Ian Crossland]

What frequency was it? It's up there. And so he has a test tube and fire coming off, but it was coming off the surface. Looks like the sun, like the fire coming off the sun. So I imagine the sun is like this saltwater fluidic ball that's getting hit by a frequency and it's lighting up. If we take salt water out into orbit, let it coagulate into a sphere like water does in deep space, I think. And then that already hit it with a frequency and light it up. We might be able to fuse chemicals in that.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's read more. We got not your average Dan saying, Ian quote. I love Amazon balls. They have medication for that.

[Ian Crossland]

What's the medication more Amazon balls old.

[Tim Pool]

My beer says have you seen that the Texas governor swore the death penalty on two illegal immigrants who killed an air force cadet in a hit and run with a jet ski.

[Tony Kennett]

I saw this. I saw the story of this, this young lady that was killed it again.

[Tim Pool]

They captured the people right from the hit and run.

[Tony Kennett]

I I the news about Abbott and whether or not these individuals have been captured, things like that, that's news to me. I haven't heard an update.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think they got arrested.

[Tony Kennett]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

Two suspects arrested. Yep, yep, yep. Two arrested if a jet ski hit and run death of a Texas Texas teenager.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Rue actual says mark my words, Cash and Bongino are still DNC cucks. There will never be a single arrest made.

[Ian Crossland]

Well, I don't agree with that. Those guys are legit.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's, that, that's, that's a bad statement because I would argue that your worst case scenario is they arrest low level staffers as escape.

[Tony Kennett]

My outtake on this one is that the left, which always moves way too far and way too fast has in fact played with fire that is finally going to get it burnt. And that fire is they have successfully pissed off the moderates. Now before you get out your full wine bottles to throw at me here, here's a very small example. You have all these low level judges, we'll talk about a judicial example here who have, who've come forward and thrown injunction after injunction after injunction of all of the supreme court justices who are already fed up with this. Believe it or not, it's Roberts. Roberts, the squish of squishes is tired of injunction after injunction and it's balkanizing the moderates against the left, which is a wild thing to watch in real time. So I do think the left is going to push and push and push until arrests get made because they can't help themselves. They can't just let this naturally die out.

[Ian Crossland]

For the first time I've been using dating apps and I saw someone on dating was like, no maga. No, I don't want any MAGA people. Also no Biden Harris freaks. It was the first time I've seen both. Like usually it was like a polarization of one. I don't want that kind. Right. Just I don't want either.

[Tim Pool]

How old was the person?

[Tony Kennett]

Also, was the person Arabic? Like was the name? I didn't look hailing from Middle Eastern lands.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't know. But I, I noticed that they didn't want either side for the first time ever. Like they, the Left has given up on the.

[Tony Kennett]

I saw a lot of that when I was at the DNC marches this past summer. Like a lot of that. We hate Kamala, we hate Trump, we hate everybody. My mom brings me pizza rolls to the basement. You know, the normal stuff.

[Phil Labonte]

They're. That. They're likely communists if they, if they hate Trump and Biden Harris, they're likely communists, the socialists.

[Tim Pool]

All right, some straight Catholic monarchist says, I'm considering how war with Iran could happen any day now. You should host an Israel Palestine debate with, between Ben Shapiro and Scott Horton. If you make it happen, I will donate 500 to the charity of your choice. That will never happen. Ben Shapiro likely wouldn't be debating Scott Horton. And if he was, he'd do it on his own show. I don't know why he'd do it here. Great debate, but Ben's not going to do that. And it's largely due to, I, I would, I would argue, like the scale of personality. Ben Shapiro being one of the biggest conservative personalities, one of the most viewed podcasts is going to be like, I'd rather just debate a higher profile individual.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, there's people further up the chain should have this debate.

[Ian Crossland]

Scott's like the most knowledgeable man on.

[Tony Kennett]

The planet that he sounds like the very big difference. And people make this criticism of, of Ben before. There's a difference between sounding like the most knowledgeable person and actually bringing things that aren't disproven. 14 hours later.

[Ian Crossland]

Scott Horton.

[Tony Kennett]

Anybody? Anybody? Anybody that just starts throwing things out that it's like, oh, yeah, we found out actually we're backtracking 800ft because we were wrong in this initial report.

[Ian Crossland]

That's a good point. It's easy to some people.

[Tim Pool]

I would just counter with, considering how war with Iran could happen any day now. I would counter with considering the fact that Russia threatened nuclear war again and the peace talks are struggling between Trump and Putin, with Trump calling Putin crazy. The bigger threat to the United States right now is Ukraine, Russia. So I should have a Ukraine, Russia debate with Ben Shapiro and Scott Horton.

[Ian Crossland]

So what, the Ukrainians and what NATO tried to assassinate Putin, blow up his helicopter with a bunch of drones, and then Trump blames Putin for being crazy. Like, does he not know that NATO just made an assassin attempt, assassination attempt on the guy's life? This is what Alex Jones was talking about, too. I don't know if Trump knows because now is not the time to go, you know what?

[Phil Labonte]

Well, I mean, look, you're not going to get. Putin is in, in a position of power here. Like, if the United States walks away from the negotiations, we're not going to give money and more weapons to Ukraine. And that means that Putin gets to do whatever he wants. So as long as Putin doesn't want to come to the table, there's nothing we can do about it. Like, the United States is in a real bind if Trump can't get Putin to the table. And there's no reason for Putin to go to the table because he's winning. And all they want is they want the US to stop.

[Ian Crossland]

I've been watching Hitler take Poland. Not watching, but studying it last night, just watching about the Third Reich. And like, if Putin wants the Donbass, that's one thing. If he keeps going, he's gonna literally start a global war.

[Tim Pool]

Well, if he goes H2 tango brother.

[Tony Kennett]

Yeah, that's my thing. That's my thing with the Iran comment as well. We're going to be at war with Iran. And I'm like, okay, what is Iran going to do? The same thing they just did with Israel. What are they going to launch more ballistic missiles? Yeah, I'm looking for the Iranian army being mustered.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, there is, there is. Just because even if the United States decided to endorse an Israeli strike and support an Israeli strike against Iran, that does not mean that's going to turn into a boots on the ground situation. The US Killed Soleimani in Iran. The, the Israelis were shooting missiles at Iran. Iran was shooting missiles at the Israelis. That does. None of that means that there's going to be a boots on the ground.

[Tony Kennett]

United States people realize you actually have to order the boots to be on the ground. Right. Like the war doesn't start and then just like magically it's like, oh what? It's evolving. Boots on the ground.

[Phil Labonte]

And the President, I think that the President is aware and JD Vance is definitely aware, the American people do not want to see another military engagement where there's Americans dying in a, in a Middle Eastern country.

[Tim Pool]

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[Tony Kennett]

You can find us over on Apple Podcasts at Tony Kinnetkast K I n n e T T. If you're in one of our radio networks, you can find that stuff over@daily signal.com. if you are a masochist, you can follow me on X at the Tonus T H e t o n u S or at the Ministry of Truth. Us Mini True. That's where I probably caused too many problems.

[Ian Crossland]

Thanks for taking control of the Ministry of Truth.

[Tony Kennett]

Hey, anytime that I get to make Brian Stelter cry on national television is a treat and a blessing.

[Phil Labonte]

Good stuff.

[Ian Crossland]

I'm Ian Crossland. Follow me on the Internet at ian Crossland x YouTube, Rumble Instagram. Hit me up at Ian Crossland. Happy to be here.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm Filler remains on Twix. I'm Filler remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. You can check us out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify and Deezer. And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.

[Tim Pool]

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