FBI Has TWENTY SIX Informants At J6 IG Report Exposes, AOC WAS RIGHT w/Mike Davis

Summary

Episode Summary: "FBI Has TWENTY SIX Informants At J6 IG Report Exposes, AOC WAS Right w/Mike Davis"

Introduction

In this episode of Timcast IRL, host Tim Pool delves into the recent revelations from the Justice Department's Inspector General (IG) report, which uncovers that the FBI deployed 26 informants during the January 6th Capitol riot. Joined by guest Mike Davis, founder of the Article 3 Project, Pool examines the implications of these findings, supports Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's (AOC) earlier claims regarding potential inside involvement in the riots, and criticizes mainstream media's handling of the story. The discussion extends to broader themes of government overreach, media manipulation, and the future of independent media in a corporatized landscape.

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Key Topics and Discussions

1. FBI Informants at January 6th Capitol Riot

   • Revelations from the IG Report:

     • Tim Pool introduces the cornerstone of the episode by highlighting the IG report's findings that the FBI had 26 confidential human sources (CHSs) present at the Capitol on January 6, 2021. Notably, most of these informants were actively involved in the chaos, with several entering restricted areas within the Capitol.
     • Notable Quote:

       "So a new report has come out from the IG exposing that there were 26 FBI informants at the Capitol on January 6, and most of them were involved. Several of them went inside. And so I can only say that proves it. AOC was right." ([00:01])

   • Support for AOC’s Claims:

     • Pool emphasizes that these findings validate AOC's previous assertions that suggested potential inside facilitation of the riots by law enforcement.
     • Notable Quote:

       "AOC was right. I'm actually not kidding. She said police were involved, but it's politic. It's not politically expedient to investigate why cops were letting people in and opening doors." ([00:01]-[07:12])

   • Guest Insights with Mike Davis:

     • Mike Davis elaborates on the implications of the report, arguing that the FBI's involvement was part of a broader strategy to undermine President Trump's influence and political movement.
     • Notable Quote:

       "What they wanted happened is they're trying to look at January 6th and lump everyone together, call them insurrectionist, even though no one was charged with insurrection." ([03:00]-[05:00])

2. Mainstream Media’s Handling of the Report

   • Critique of Media Narratives:

     • Pool criticizes how mainstream media outlets have downplayed or misrepresented the presence and actions of FBI informants, often contradicting the IG report’s findings.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "What's the headline say for some of these stories? FBI had no employees in the building or in the crowd. Well, that's weird. That's not what we're saying. They're definitely trying to cover up." ([07:12])

       "The media is lying to you and colludes with these intelligence elements. This is why MSNBC and CNN hire retired intel guys. Yeah, it's because one big incestuous family tree." ([18:24]-[18:44])

   • Comparison with New York Post:

     • The New York Post is highlighted for leading with the story, in contrast to more conservative outlets that tend to bury the lead.
     • Notable Quote:

       "Well, of course, that's why I'm not bringing you up. And the New York Post did too, about it." ([18:44]-[18:45])

3. Legal and Political Repercussions

   • Potential Pardons and Charges:

     • Discussion around President Trump's promise to pardon many of those involved in the January 6th events, juxtaposed with the lack of charges against FBI informants.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "Trump said in the first 20 minutes, he's going to pardon... He's going to just pardon." ([09:26]-[09:52])

       "If you were walking around and had no idea what was going on, on full pardon, 100%." ([105:30]-[105:34])

   • Call for Investigations:

     • The panel urges for thorough investigations into government and law enforcement actions surrounding the events, advocating for accountability.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "I would like them to investigate. And if appropriate, they should prosecute anyone who weaponized, politicized and weaponized our intel agencies and law enforcement to go after political enemies for non crimes." ([27:34]-[27:55])

4. Media Control and the Future of Independent Journalism

   • Corporate Domination of Media:

     • Tim Pool expresses concern over major corporations potentially monopolizing the media landscape, thereby stifling independent voices and enforcing a singular political narrative.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "These big corporations are going to dump billions into the space and make sure we are drowned out. They're going to make sure they dominate the front pages." ([10:56]-[12:00])

       "They [corporate media] both way with Billions into YouTube and other big tech platforms, they're going to jump in and buy up media personalities and pump them up with marketing and teams, allow them to have big networks just clock in." ([62:00]-[63:44])

   • AI’s Role in Media Manipulation:

     • The discussion shifts to the looming threat of AI in media, where procedurally generated content could mimic real human storytelling, potentially undermining authentic journalism.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "AI is going to end media. Like, we are so close to it being over." ([62:31]-[63:08])

       "Imagine what happens when this comes into the podcast space. I've already talked to people in news who have said they are generating an AI likeness that can be fed a script and produce a video podcast of a person that looks normal." ([64:31]-[66:00])

5. Examples of Media Manipulation and Public Deception

   • CNN’s Syrian Prisoner Video:

     • Pool critiques a CNN report showing a Syrian prisoner emerging from a windowless cell, questioning the authenticity based on physiological improbabilities.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "Everybody is saying this video is clearly fake because this guy... stands up of his own volition... he easily stands up of his own volition, stares at the sky and says, the light. Everybody knows that you can't even go 10 hours in the dark and then try and stare at this." ([47:00]-[55:00])

       "The kid was in a room with no lights and also where to poop at. Was he just holding it all in the whole time?" ([105:00]-[106:00])

   • Historical Examples of Staged Media:

     • References to events like the toppling of Saddam Hussein's statue and YouTube's Elsagate incident are used to illustrate how media can orchestrate or manipulate narratives.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "They [media] gave them all. They used tanks to do it... it was not organic that people were pulling down this statue." ([56:40]-[57:19])

       "During Occupy, it was a bit bigger... and I ended up getting asked to consult the government and universities... no, they just destroyed." ([85:20]-[88:24])

6. Social Media Influence and Generational Shifts

   • Younger Generations and Information Sources:

     • The panel discusses how younger generations are turning to platforms like Twitch, Kick, and Rumble for content, indicating a shift away from traditional media.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "I asked my teenage son... he says, I'm on Twitch, Kick and Rumble. I said, that sounds like you need to go to the hospital." ([59:12]-[60:25])

       "These classical liberals who are coming out saying Tucker Carlson's woke, right, is that they're taking this thin selection of an authoritarian collectivist ideology and saying that's what WOKE is." ([77:10]-[81:35])

   • Challenges for Independent Podcasters:

     • Concerns are raised about independent podcasters being overshadowed by corporate-funded media personalities who can leverage substantial marketing budgets.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "They are going to put 20 million in marketing and... financial resources to come into this space so that independent creators like us can't compete." ([66:00]-[678:24])

       "We're yet to see how Disney can compete with our presence on YouTube." ([93:15]-)

7. Calls to Action and Future Outlook

   • Supporting Independent Media:

     • The episode concludes with a strong emphasis on supporting independent media outlets to counterbalance the influence of corporate and government-controlled media.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "Join us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Mike Davis." ([22:32]-[115:00])

       "We need to make sure we need to do our best to get as much of the leftists out of schools." ([38:24]-[41:28])

   • Predictions for Political and Media Landscapes:

     • The panel predicts ongoing struggles between independent media and corporate interests, with potential increases in political violence and further erosion of independent voices.
     • Notable Quotes:

       "If we do not stop them this time for their real crimes, I 100% agree with you, Tim. They're going to come back and Crush us after January 20, 2029." ([34:19]-[34:32])

       "These mediums are going to be heavily regulated and controlled by corporate interests, leaving little room for genuine independent voices." ([74:00]-[78:48])

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Notable Quotes with Attribution and Timestamps

• "So a new report has come out from the IG exposing that there were 26 FBI informants at the Capitol on January 6, and most of them were involved. Several of them went inside. And so I can only say that proves it. AOC was right." – Tim Pool ([00:01])

• "I mean, this January 6th was a lawful protest permitted by the National Park Service that devolved into a riot..." – Mike Davis ([03:00]-[03:56])

• "What's the headline say for some of these stories? FBI had no employees in the building or in the crowd. Well, that's weird." – Tim Pool ([07:12])

• "These big corporations are going to dump billions into the space and make sure we are drowned out." – Tim Pool ([10:56]-[12:00])

• "AI is going to end media. Like, we are so close to it being over." – Tim Pool ([62:31]-[63:08])

• "They [media] gave them all. They used tanks to do it... it was not organic that people were pulling down this statue." – Libby Emmons & Phil Abonte ([56:40]-[57:19])

• "Join us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Mike Davis." – Tim Pool ([22:32]-[115:00])

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL provides a critical examination of the FBI's involvement in the January 6th Capitol riot, supported by new findings from the IG report and AOC's earlier claims. Tim Pool and his guests argue that mainstream media has downplayed these revelations, contributing to a lack of accountability and transparency. The discussion extends to concerns over corporate domination of media spaces, the threats posed by AI in media manipulation, and the importance of supporting independent voices to maintain a balanced and truthful public discourse. The panelists advocate for proactive measures to counteract government overreach and media bias, emphasizing the need for informed and vigilant citizenry to safeguard democratic principles.

Listeners are encouraged to support independent media outlets, stay informed, and engage in efforts to promote accountability within both government and media institutions to prevent future manipulation and uphold democratic values.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

So a new report has come out from the IG exposing that there were 26 FBI informants at the Capitol on January 6, and most of them were involved. Several of them went inside. And so I can only say that proves it. AOC was right. That's right. AOC said a couple years ago that J6 was an inside job and she demanded answers. I'm actually not kidding. She said police were involved, but it's politic. It's not politically expedient to investigate why cops were letting people in and opening doors. Good question, aoc. I agree with you. If AOC says it, I must be allowed to say it too. If the media gets mad about it. No, take it up with her. The crazy thing about the story, though, is that most media outlets are burying the lead, covering it up or outright lying through manipulative context. While we know that 26 informants were there and a part of the. Right. And in the building. What's the headline say for some of these stories? FBI had no employees in the building or in the crowd. Well, that's weird. That's not what we're saying. They're definitely trying to cover up. So we'll talk about that then. I just absolutely have to. There's a story from CNN they put out claiming that they uncovered a prison and a man was inside. And literally everybody on X is saying it's clearly staged and fake. Now, far be it for me to know for sure because, you know, you gotta have the evidence. But I can just say this. The man they found in this prison, they claimed had been locked up with no windows for three months and hadn't had any water or food for five days. He easily stands up of his own volition, stares at the sky and says, the light. The light. Everybody knows that you can't even go 10 hours in the dark and then try and stare at this. Stare up at the sky because you don't even like it when your. When your wife or husband turns the light on. But we'll talk about that story too. We got a bunch of other stories that we will get into before we get started, my friends. Head over to cast brew.com by Casper Coffee. We got some good coffee. We got stand your grounds, medium roast. We've got rise with Alberto Jr. And of course, everyone's favorite Appalachian nights. Then of course, hop over to boonieshq.com guys the step on snack and find out skateboards are back in stock. We struggle to keep these in stock because it's actually not super easy to manufacture skateboards we have a small American based shop Made in America and they'll make the boards and do the printing and the pressing and all that. But we only, we only get, I think around it might be like 30 or so per batch. So I try to keep you guys informed. Once they come back and stop in stock, step on snack and find [e-mail] also head over to timcast.com click join us. Become a member. And not only will you get access to the members only uncensored show which will be coming up tonight at 10pm and our Discord server where you can talk to and hang out with like minded individuals and even submit questions to call in and talk to this on the show. Like I said. But you'll get a special discount on Cast Brew coffee@cast brew.com 15% off for life when you become a [e-mail] so smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Mike Davis.

[Mike Davis]

Thank you for having me.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Mike Davis]

Well, I run the Article 3 project, which is a conservative group that helped President Trump confirm his judges in his first term. And we have been the tip of the spear defending President Trump against this Biden law fair and election interference for the last two and a half years. We help President Trump win that law fair, he's back in the White House. We're going to continue to help him by helping him confirm his nominees to the executive branch, confirm his judicial nominees and make sure that they have the political cover they need to do their jobs. We see on the right that we have really smart lawyers and they can follow the law. But we need two things in order for that to work. We need the law to be right and we need the politics to be right. So we're helping President Trump get the smart lawyers to get the law right. And at the Article 3 project, we're helping them get the politics right.

[Tim Pool]

Right on. Should be fun. Thanks for hanging out. Libby's here.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm Libby Ammons. I'm here. Glad to be here. I'm with the post, millennial and humanevents.com hello everybody.

[Phil Abonte]

My name is Phil Abonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that was easy. Let's go to the first story from the New York Post. FBI had 26 informants at January 6th Capitol riots. Most were involved. Bombshell DOJ report confirms they say the FBI had at least 26 CIS on the ground. They call them CHSs, confidential human sources in Washington, D.C. during J6 storming the Capitol, most of whom engaged in illegal activity during the chaos, the Justice Department's watchdog confirmed in the bombshell report. Leadership at the Bureau had long been adamant that it did not have the resources who orchestrated the riot, that it did not have sources orchestrated the riot. Questions about whether the FBI had informants involved in the riots were met with conspiracy theory labels by many mainstream media outlets. If you're asking if the violence the Capitol was part of some operation orchestrated by the FBI, so by FBI sources or agents, the answer is no, outgoing FBI Director Christopher Ray told lawmakers back in July. Ray had long refused to divulge exactly how many informants were present that day. I'm going to go assume it's probably more than just 26. The DOJ's Office of the Inspector General found that the found that of the FBI's confidential sources on the ground, four entered the Capitol in the midst of the riot and 13 went into a restricted area. Only nine were not found to have engaged in illegal activity, according to the report. Critically, that report also shot down unsubstantiated speculation that the Bureau had agents stoking some of the mayhem that day. Quote, we found no evidence in the materials we reviewed or in the testimony we received showing or suggesting that the FBI had undercover employees in the various protest crowds or at the Capitol. The report said only three of its 26 informants present had been instructed to observe potential domestic terror suspects. On the day of the riot, the DOJ watchdog found the rest of the 23 appear to have gone to the Capitol of their own accord. I think this very much adds to the story that we had heard. This goes back to 2022, when AOC says Capitol Police were opening the doors for J6 riders. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. I was shocked because I, you know, I am no conspiracy theorist, but when AOC proudly informed all of us that J6 was an inside job, I was shocked. Of course, I reviewed the evidence, and as it turns out, at least on some circumstances, the police were posing with some of these insurrectionists, they call them, taking photos and opening at least what I can see interior doors. Not only the interior doors, but there was an instance where after doors have been opened, the police just stood next to the door and told the protesters. One guy says, I don't agree with it, but I respect it. These cops were absolutely assisting. Not to mention one man was Acquitted entirely because he argued that a cop waved him in. Sure enough, there is video footage of a cop waving people in that they try to claim, no, no, the cop meant something else. He was waving to other cops to come in. Sure. I think AOC is correct. Let me play this video for. You can hear it right from her, adamantly expressing two years ago exactly what happened, like antifa and that there were.

[Libby Emmons]

Actual officers working with this.

[Tim Pool]

And we never got to the bottom of that and we never got any answers about that. And then to this day we're just supposed to pretend that that never happened.

[Libby Emmons]

I have no idea what happened to.

[Tim Pool]

The people on the inside who were.

[Libby Emmons]

Very clearly sympathetic with what was going on and opening the doors wide open for that.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm supposed to sit here and.

[Libby Emmons]

Pretend like none of that ever happened.

[Tim Pool]

And then right afterwards you have a massive, you know, you just have this idea that throwing money at that problem is going to make it go away. Accountability. And so this is, this is where these things are breaking down. We're not safe. And it's not just about members of Congress not being safe. Workers aren't safe, the janitors aren't safe.

[Libby Emmons]

Like, we need to get to the bottom of this.

[Tim Pool]

You see what she was saying? She was calling for an investigation. She wants answers as to the federal law enforcement elements that were actively assisting Jay six. Well, I agree, aoc, it sounds like an inside job. And I'm going to stress this too, in all seriousness, outside of any tongue in cheek joke or something like that, if one police officer, just one, helped the rioters in any way, and we know they did, that's an inside job. Okay? What they're trying to do is when we say it was an inside job, they immediately jumped to the claim that it means the government orchestrated the plot and made it all happen. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, if there is a bank, okay, this is what we said two years ago when we talked about this. If there's a bank and like three guys go to rob it and one security guard opens the door and puts a wedge in it and then walks away, we call that an inside job. Now imagine if that happened and the police came in and said, looks like it was an inside job because this guy, this who works here, opened the door for the robbers. And then immediately the media said, are you implying that the bank manager, along with all of its staff coordinated with the police to steal the money? No, I didn't say that at all. I'm saying there was at least a certain or Small element of internal security and law enforcement that assisted in this. It could be one person, but it's a fact. And now this just adds to it because FBI informants were actually riding in the building. So what does this mean? What does this ultimately turn into? I mean, Trump's going to pardon these guys. He said what in the first nine minutes?

[Phil Abonte]

I hope he does.

[Tim Pool]

That's what he said. First 20 minutes.

[Phil Abonte]

Well, I mean, I hope he does. I don't see any reason to keep these people behind bars anymore.

[Libby Emmons]

No, I don't either. What is it, like some 1500 people almost? Something like that?

[Phil Abonte]

I don't, I don't have any. I honestly don't know. Know. It's a lot, but I don't.

[Libby Emmons]

Large number.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Abonte]

Is it? I didn't know that it was over a thousand.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, it's, it's like substantially over a thousand. Yeah, it's somewhere between a, it's somewhere between like 1300 and 15.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's like 1300.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Trump said in the first 20 minutes, he's, he's, it's like the first thing he's going to do, he's going to just pardon.

[Phil Abonte]

Well, good. I mean, that should be the case. And the thing that really struck me is the, is the way that the mainstream media or the legacy media or the Democrat run media is, is framing this. They're saying that there were no, there were no FBI agents. They were, that there were no employees. And they're obfuscating the fact that confidential informants don't actually work for the FBI. Like, but there were confidential informants. So they were, there were people that were working with the FBI, but they weren't FBI agents and they weren't employees. And the fact that the media is running with that and they're, you know, again, obfuscating the fact that there were government assets in the crowd and those people were egging other people on to do things. It's, I mean, it's, it's clearly dishonest and it's frustrating because the, you know, you've got. This is going to be the narrative that the left is going to spin.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's take it up a notch, though. I got a question for you, Mike. We had the journalist, Stephen Baker, I believe. I'm not getting his name wrong, am I? He was the one who was criminally charged.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, he sure was at the Blaze.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He said he thinks this is actually a plot from the Pentagon, that they wanted the J6ers to riot, that they were hoping for some violence that they could ultimately use. And that if you look at the actions taken by the federal government since then, it only really makes sense if there actually was extreme violence. All we really got was basically trespass and some vandalism and if you can even call it trespass on a lot of these cases, the people broke the windows that I get. You fight cops, you hit cops, you go to jail. That I get. But he and another guy I talked to said that one of the cops working at the Capitol Police evacuated the members of Congress. Had he not done that, they could have gotten hurt might have been likely, and that he was actually. He got in trouble for having done that because he was not given orders to evacuate. So it's his opinion that they wanted this to happen. They intentionally didn't bring police or National Guard because they needed an excuse to go after Trump. But I'm curious what you think.

[Mike Davis]

I mean, I would say this January 6th was a lawful protest permitted by the National Park Service that devolved into a riot. And I think what the Biden Justice Department tried to do with January 6, along with the January 6 committee, is they tried to use this as an excuse to cancel Trump and cancel Trump's movements. Right. They wanted Trump and his ideas, his America first movement, to go away. And so what should have happened is they should have looked at January 6th and said, wait, people who were there legally, people who are outside have. Even if you think they're wrong, even if you think they're crazy, they have an absolute First Amendment rights to protest their government and protest the election. And then there's a second category of people who trespassed. And there's a dispute whether some people even trespassed if the cops are letting them into the damn building. But let's just presume that they trespass. Okay? Then you charge them with trespass. And then there's a third category of people who are violent, and you charge them with violence. But I. Look, I was a staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee during the Kavanaugh proceedings, when you had protesters threatening violence throughout the Capitol, trespassing into offices, trespassing into restricted zones, not a damn thing happened to them. Right? You look at the BLM and antifa writers, the much more deadly and destructive BLM and antifa writers. They caused billions in damage. They killed dozens. They essentially get amnesty. So what they did on January 6th is they wanted to lump everyone together, call them insurrectionist, even though no one was charged with insurrection. How many insurrectionists go into a nation's capitol unarmed, get to the Senate floor of the nation's Capitol. Walk through velvet ropes, follow police direction, and don't burn down the damn place.

[Tim Pool]

Got an escort?

[Mike Davis]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

To the Senate chambers?

[Mike Davis]

Yes, they did.

[Tim Pool]

When the Q. Shaman, of course, was seen on surveillance footage walking around, politely asking police, and police directed him. That's an inside job. Yeah. And what, so Shaman wasn't working alone. The police let him in.

[Mike Davis]

And if everyone else is getting charged for January 6th and they're hunting people down for years and 1500 people are charged, why weren't these 23 paid FBI contractors? Well, there weren't there 23 who were paid, but they just showed up that day. And three who were on who were working that day.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Mike Davis]

There were.

[Libby Emmons]

There were three who were.

[Tim Pool]

Who?

[Libby Emmons]

The FBI said, you know, why don't you come out? And then there were 23 who showed up at their own volition who had not allegedly been requested by the FBI.

[Tim Pool]

It means they were just participants. Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Mike Davis]

So what?

[Phil Abonte]

So.

[Mike Davis]

So why weren't those 23 who were supposedly off duty that day, why weren't they charged like the rest of the.

[Libby Emmons]

January, 11 of those 23 went on to the restricted area outside the Capitol and of. And. And of the three who were asked to be there, one of them went inside the Capitol, and they were.

[Mike Davis]

They weren't charged.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, right.

[Mike Davis]

So why weren't they charged? If they're. If they're off duty, why weren't they charged?

[Libby Emmons]

Another two went. Of the 23 went into the Capitol because it was. Three went in altogether.

[Mike Davis]

So maybe they were on duty and that's why they weren't charged.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, it is confusing as to why they weren't charged. How did their names never come up? You know, and then they talk about how the report was saying, you know, people just on the grounds weren't going to be. Be charged. Well, they're doing that now that they've been charging them there' like, tons and tons. If you look at the Capitol breach cases and do a search on the DOJ website for trespass, it's like hundreds of entries of people who are charged with trespass.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, I mean, think about this. They're trying to say they.

[Tim Pool]

We.

[Mike Davis]

That these January 6th protesters tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power on another branch of government. Well, what the hell do they think they did during the Kavanaugh proceedings? They disrupted the proceedings. Going 8. Go 8 seconds into the proceedings. You have Kamala Harris and the paid protesters in the. In the gallery disrupting the proceedings the entire time. They chased senators and threatened Them, they threatened them outside of their homes. They, they tried to, they tried to obstruct the vote on the Senate floor. I was there for all this. Nothing happens.

[Libby Emmons]

You even had what, Amy Schumer trying to occupy the Supreme Court at one point.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, you know, this is all true. And all this stuff that all of the, the people outside of the Supreme Court justices homes and the, the person that was threatening Kavanaugh and, and all of these things are just swept.

[Mike Davis]

You mean Chuck Sch. He went to the Supreme Court and threatened, physically threatened Kavanaugh?

[Phil Abonte]

Yes.

[Mike Davis]

And Gorsuch, my former boss.

[Phil Abonte]

He did. By name. Yes, absolutely. It's ridiculous that the left is allowed to make these assertions that are so blatantly false while at the same time the left is incredibly, totally guilty of the exact same kind of things that they would lose their mind over.

[Tim Pool]

Let me. Let's jump to this story from the ap. They've got a better framing of this. So of course in the previous segment we're talking about how, yeah, there were 26 criminal human sources, or I'm sorry, confidential human sources on the ground, three of whom were paid. And we know that from, from AOC and many others, they were police officers who were assisting. There's video footage of the shaman being led to the chambers by Capitol police. Well, after this IG report comes out exposing that there were 26 informants part involved with the majority of them participating in January 6th. Here's how the corporate press frames it. Let's start with the AP watchdog finds FBI intelligence missteps before J6 riot but no undercover agents were present. Well, that's a really weird way to frame a story that shocked us all by learning that 26 informants were there. How about this from Axios? There were no undercover FBI employees, the U.S. capitol or rally at the Ellipse on January 6, 2021, according to a new Watchdog report that further debunked conspiracy theories that law enforcement instigated the deadly riot. Let's try USA Today. No FBI informants were authorized to enter Capitol on January 6, 2021. DOJ report. How come none of the headlines were FBI informants illegally entered restricted grounds and the building participating in the J6 riots? Because the media is lying to you and colludes with these intelligence elements. This is why MSNBC and CN hire retired intel guys. Yeah, it's because one big incestuous family tree.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, you missed our headline. Our headline did say that at the Post. Millennial did say that FBI sources went into the Capitol.

[Tim Pool]

Well, of course, that's why I'm not bringing you up. And the New York Post did too, about it.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

People being honest at the lead here is that we've long wanted to know how many informants were involved, and now we have a general. I think it was more than 26, to be honest.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, that's just.

[Mike Davis]

That's just FBI.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, right, exactly. And they said also that they didn't have a larger presence because it was a low security thing for them. It was like not high priority. So otherwise they would have had more, I suppose. Yeah.

[Mike Davis]

So let's get this straight. 26 paid contractors from the FBI, three of them were on duty that day, and zero of them get arrested for January 6th.

[Tim Pool]

Is it true? Zero got arrested.

[Mike Davis]

Zero.

[Libby Emmons]

Even though it's like, I'm just looking at the. I love the DOJ website, where you can look at all of the Capitol breach cases. There's 128 pages of names of people who were sentenced. That's just sentenced, not even arrested.

[Phil Abonte]

It's such a travesty of justice. And the idea that this was not at least instigated by the. The government itself is just ridiculous.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But now we are watching and we know this about the media, but these headlines are brazen. I mean, the story was shocking when we learned how many informants were being. Were paid informants, how many showed up? Ap, no undercover agents present. This is the dirty game they play with fact checking that I tell you guys about all the time. So I don't know if you've heard me tell the story, but basically. Or the circumstance. Basically. Snopes, for instance, what do they do? Donald Trump will do a backflip, land perfectly on the ground in a perfect pose, and everyone claps. And then the story goes viral. Donald Trump does backflip. And then Snopes right ahead, line. Did Donald Trump land a perfect, flawless backflip in front of a crowd of supporters who all clapped and cheered on Sunday?

[Phil Abonte]

False.

[Tim Pool]

And then it'll go through this big, long tirade about how Donald Trump did not actually do this, the claims were made on the Internet, blah, blah, blah. Then at the very last sentence, it will say, while Donald Trump did perform a flawless backflip in front of his supporters who clapped and cheered on Saturday, he did not do it on Sunday. They'll add that, that no one asked, and then debunk themselves. AP. No agents were present. Okay, tell us about the 26 paid informants who were. Who were in the building and never got arrested. Yeah. Health insurance is confusing, expensive, and frustrating. And claim denials are becoming more and more common. In fact, one in five Obamacare claims were denied last year. That's just unacceptable. The headache of health insurance is exactly why crowd health was created. It's not health insurance. It's a better way to pay for health care through crowdfunding. So stop sending money to big insurance companies who profit off of not paying your bills and check out Crowd Health. For $175 for an individual or $575 for a family of four or more, you'll get access to a community of people who are willing to help out in the event of a real emergency. You'll get access to telemedicine visits, discounted prescriptions, and so much more without doctors networks getting in the way. And of course, you'll join the crowd, a group of members just like you who want to help pay for each other's unexpected medical events. Their care advocates will assist you in finding the right doctor, expertly negotiate your health bills, and manage crowdfunding for unexpected expenses. All this personalized support is an extra. It's a fundamental part of your crowd health membership. Let crowd health help you with your health care needs. Get started today for just $99 per month for your first three months by using code Tim Cast at joincrowdhealth.com Crowd health is not insurance. Learn more at joincrowdhealth.com that's joincrowdhealth.com code TimCast.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, it's, it's frustrating because this is something that we've seen for, you know, the better part of a decade now, the way that, I mean, honestly, Donald Trump is kind of the guy that really made this something that people were aware of. The people, like people that were conservatives had kind of felt like the mainstream media was unfair to them. It became more clear in the, when the, with the, the FBI under the IRS targeting Lois Lerner and targeting conservatives in like 2013 or whatever it was. But with the election of Barack Obama, you started to see that it wasn't just that the media seemed a little biased and it was likely because they were from cities, which is generally what the, your average person was like, well, maybe they're a little biased, but they are from cities. And so they probably have a different perspective than people on the right. And that was trying to steel man the, you know, steel man the arguments, you know, trying, trying to think charitably. But then once you saw the way that the media behaved once Barack Obama became the president and with the you know, the IRS scandal. And then 2016, when it became clear that the Democrats didn't have the. Forever. Didn't have forever control over the government, which they genuinely thought. They thought that now, once Barack Obama was elected, they thought that it was obviously going to be Hillary Clinton and there was going to be, essentially, the Republicans would be a regional party. The Republicans would stand up someone against the Democrats every time. But the real debate was going to be which Democrat was going to run to beat the Republicans. That was the sense on, you know, from the people on the left. And once they saw that Donald Trump, once Donald Trump won and they saw that that was not the case, they completely flipped out and they, you know, they went mask off with the, the lying, the authoritarianism, the attempts to narrative build and control what people saw and heard. And it's, it's, it's tiring. But we've, we've been seeing it again, like, you know, 10, 15 years now.

[Mike Davis]

You know, I'll start caring about the January 6th riot when Democrats start caring about the much more deadly and destructive BLM.

[Tim Pool]

May 29th. We call it M29.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, it's a big.

[Tim Pool]

That's a big M29 insurrection.

[Libby Emmons]

When they set fire to the church.

[Tim Pool]

In Washington and firebombed the White House and forced the President into an emergency.

[Mike Davis]

Bunker and the Secret Service guard station, and they attacked the federal courthouse in.

[Libby Emmons]

Portland for months for over 100 straight nights.

[Tim Pool]

There's a national tragedy.

[Libby Emmons]

Billions of dollars in insurance damage by estimates.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe, maybe we should ask the incoming administration to launch the M29 committee.

[Libby Emmons]

You know, I, honestly, I know that everyone's really jazzed about, like, doing stuff like that, and I think that that makes a lot of sense. But on the other hand, I would love to just be like, you know what? Screw all that. We're just going to go make everything awesome. We're not going to dwell on our.

[Tim Pool]

But that means arresting the criminal elements who have been corrupting government.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I think that's part of it. But I don't like what waste of time was the January 6th committee. I don't want January 6th, January 6th committee.

[Mike Davis]

I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we have to.

[Mike Davis]

I disagree.

[Tim Pool]

Think about all the good stuff, but think about what you're saying. We are a nation, a body politic, and on our left arm, it has become gangrene.

[Libby Emmons]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

And the way I see it is you're saying, well, look, look, I get that we have an infection on our arm that's rotting away the body, but let's just focus on Learning how to juggle with the right hand. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no triage. We've got to stop the rot.

[Libby Emmons]

But isn't it every four years, Aren't we going to just see every four years the new administration prosecuting the previous administration?

[Mike Davis]

No, no, no.

[Libby Emmons]

I'll tell you why ad nauseam.

[Mike Davis]

Let me tell you why. The reason they did the last four years of Biden's persecution of Trump, his top aides like Steve Bannon and Peter Devaro, his January 6th supporters who were persecuted. Parents, Christian. The reason they. The reason the Biden regime did this, along with their Democrat allies in New York, Atlanta, other hellholes around the country, is because we let them get away with this the first time. I think we need to give them a healthy dose of their own medicine. I call it the dead chicken strategy. Give them a healthy dose of their own medicine, show them power for their real crimes instead of our side's non crimes and so they never do this again.

[Libby Emmons]

You don't think there's a way to do that without like just wasting a bunch of government time and money?

[Mike Davis]

I mean, the government wastes a bunch of time and money every day.

[Libby Emmons]

Infuriating. I hate it so much. I hate that.

[Mike Davis]

I think that we need. I really do hope that that Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Chris, or excuse me, Cash Patel. I hope they open a criminal probe under 18 USC section 241, conspiracy against rights.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Mike Davis]

Down in the Southern District of Florida, Fort Pierce, Florida.

[Libby Emmons]

Who do you want to see them prosecute?

[Mike Davis]

I would like them to investigate. And if appropriate, I'm an attorney, I still have have bar duties. If and if appropriate, they should prosecute anyone who weaponized, politicized and weaponized our intel agencies and law enforcement to go after political enemies for non crimes.

[Libby Emmons]

So that would feel like you think they should investigate Merrick Garland for going after parents at school board meetings.

[Mike Davis]

You're damn right. Let's go through the list. I may have a list of mine.

[Libby Emmons]

Or what about the people who determined that Catholics who go to Latin Mass are actually akin to domestic extremists. Yeah.

[Mike Davis]

Down in Richmond.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Investigate whoever came up with that memo.

[Mike Davis]

I would say. I would say. I would, I would look at, for example, I would look at President Joe Biden's role. Even if he has presidential immunity, he could be an important fact witness. I would look at his White House counsel's office, like Jonathan sue, who waived President Trump's claim of constitutional executive Privilege going back 250 years to George Washington, which led to the Mar A Lago raid and the two indictments by Jack Smith and his counselor, Jay Pratt.

[Tim Pool]

I'd go after Smith and real quick. Definitely when Trump said in that Meet the Press interview, this man came to my home.

[Mike Davis]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I hope he does not forget. And he, and he, and he brings about accountability and justice.

[Mike Davis]

Well, the good thing is, is that President Trump is not going to have to worry about any of this because if his Justice Department does its job, they're going to obviously open a criminal probe on under 18 USC section 241, just like Jack Smith did. That was one of his charges.

[Libby Emmons]

Investigation of her, Robert her for not releasing that transcript, the unredacted transcript.

[Mike Davis]

Nobody's above the law. There is a long list of people and I would say Fannie Willis, Nathan.

[Libby Emmons]

Wade Tish James, Benny Thompson.

[Mike Davis]

Not Betty Johnson. Betty Johnson, too.

[Libby Emmons]

I do know I screw that up every time.

[Phil Abonte]

Betty.

[Libby Emmons]

No Benny Thompson.

[Mike Davis]

I would. Any, any, hey, look, nobody's above the law. And when a grand jury, you're not above the law.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Mike Davis]

And when a federal grand jury in Fort Pierce, Florida, brings charges, brings an indictment, obviously they're legitimate, a grand jury brought them. And if they're innocent, then, you know, the jury.

[Libby Emmons]

What about Mayorkas? Do you want to see a prosecution.

[Mike Davis]

Of Mayorkas for his illegal mass parole of 15 million illegal immigrants into our country and the resulting migrant crime, the rapes, murders, robberies.

[Tim Pool]

I've got, you know, just a handful of people I'd like to see investigated too, like Gretchen Whitmer.

[Libby Emmons]

And what would you investigate Whitmer for?

[Tim Pool]

The deaths of the elderly during COVID.

[Libby Emmons]

Would you throw Cuomo in there? Andrew?

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely. And Wolf and Newsome. And who am I forgetting?

[Libby Emmons]

There was a memo that came out from the CDC New Jersey.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Mike Davis]

That governor, the governor's name. Well, yeah, he's just, we can still go after.

[Tim Pool]

They all did the same thing. They put sick, they put COVID patients in nursing homes.

[Mike Davis]

Murphy.

[Tim Pool]

Murphy. And we, we saw the reports, I believe, right there, I would say probable cause to, you know, open investigation, present a preponderance of evidence to a grand jury and say, should we indict on the evidence we have? And if they say yes, then we'll build our case according to the reports that came out. And some of it may be political. I don't know. Cuomo killed 15,000 elderly people by choosing to put sick people in nursing homes instead of using, what was it, the comfort that was brought to New York that Trump, Trump, the USS Comfort. Yeah. He could Have.

[Libby Emmons]

There was a. There was a memo that came out from the CDC in the spring of 2020 that instructed nursing homes to, if once people went to the hospital to be treated, when they were. When they were done being treated, the nursing homes were instructed by the CDC to take them back. So that was the order that all of those governors were following. It was directly from the cdc.

[Mike Davis]

Those governors wanted to save their Medicaid money.

[Libby Emmons]

I agree with you that it was wr. But there was a memo, I think.

[Mike Davis]

Like, do you think that they lost.

[Tim Pool]

Much and they can be investigated and we can look at their communications? Because for all we know, there's an email from Cuomo to a health official in New York who says, I understand there's a memo, but this could result in mass death of the elderly if we do this. And Cuomo might have said, that's fine, do it. They said to do it.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, yeah, Latipo in Florida didn't do it. He didn't authorize stuff like that.

[Tim Pool]

Yep, he did a good job. So, yeah, I think there should be a lot of investigations and charges. I do not. I do not see how if we do not get a handle on the corruption, then when Trump gets out, the apocalypse starts all over again.

[Mike Davis]

100.

[Tim Pool]

And it's going to be worse than anything we have seen, because you are going to. And look, we may have won this battle in the culture war. I've been saying this for some time now. The podcast presidency, they called it. You know, shows like this have played a role in communicating a vision and a message and ideas and factual information to regular people that allowed them to make an informed decision. But if we're going to sit here and just laugh at Rachel Maddow having a ratings spiral six months to a year, Comcast, Disney, Fox. Fox isn't as bad. You know, I'll give them a bit more credit. I would say they're slightly. They're net positive, but they're not perfect. But these big corporations, they're going to dump billions into the space and make sure we are drowned out. They're going to make sure they dominate the front pages. They're going to cut deals with the corporate class at YouTube and other big tech platforms. They're going to lobby for certain censorship policies. They're going to lobby for things like speech, liability insurance. And they're going to come out and be like, well, you know, we have our errors and omissions insurance, too. YouTube should require, you know. Oh, yeah. And then they're. They're going to basically lobby for Things that make it for small independent creators, it's going to make it impossible. Then when 2028 comes around, there will not be the authentic independent podcaster anymore. Then they come back in. And if these criminal elements are allowed to persist with Pam Bondi, Cash and Trump just sitting by and letting it happen, they're going to come back and say, now we have to excise the populist movement. It's our last chance, 100%.

[Mike Davis]

And that's. Look, I always say that today's Democrats. They're not our parents, our grandparents, Democrat party. They're not liberals who love America. They are leftist. They are Marxists. They do not believe in free speech. They believe in censorship, and they do it under the guise of combating misinformation or disinformation inconvenient or to reduce harm or, yes, inconvenient facts that end up being true. They don't believe in equality, they believe in equity, and they don't believe in equal justice and due process. They believe in a politicized and weaponized justice system.

[Phil Abonte]

Absolutely.

[Mike Davis]

If we don't, if we do not stop them this time for their real crimes, I 100% agree with you, Tim. They're going to come back and Crush us after January 20, 2029.

[Phil Abonte]

Absolutely. That's something. That's an argument that we make here regularly. The left that is currently in control of the narrative on the left side, on the Democrat side, they're not liberals, as much as people call them liberals, and it's fine to use that colloquially, but they're not actually liberal. They're progressives. They tend to be Marxist. They tend to believe in a lot of Marxist theory even. And it's gotten so bad that there are even people that ostensibly would say they're on the right, but they're still making the argument that, oh, the CEO that got killed, it was okay because he was rich and the guy that killed him was doing something for the poor. And it's like, that is absolutely unconscionable in a liberal society. In a liberal society, that is not how it works at all. And the fact that there are more and more people on. On the left and there are people that would say that they're on the right. I would make an argument that they're not actually on the right if they believe that. But they would say that they're not leftists, and they would say, but it's okay because of this particular power dynamic that is a terrible, terrible development for America.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you think that after four years of Prosecuting all of these people. Do you think that the left, if they get back into power, would not engage in prosecutions?

[Phil Abonte]

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you prosecute or not, because they will. Exactly.

[Libby Emmons]

They will or not. So is this just what our. Is this just what our country is now? Every four years you prosecute the previous administration?

[Phil Abonte]

I don't think so. I think what we can do is we can prosecute the people that have committed crimes with this administration. Hopefully, the Democrats will have come to their senses because something that we talk about here regularly.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, the Democrats are in their own civil war. I mean, they have a decision to make.

[Phil Abonte]

Exactly. And I'm hopeful that the Democrats, the actual Democrats, the liberals of the Democrats, will win. Because your average American is not a progressive. They're not the crazy leftists.

[Libby Emmons]

No, I think we learned that.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah. And the thing is, they just have been doing what is easy and they have been hiding from the crazy progressives that will cancel them and say they'll call your job and essentially make your life hell if you don't shut up and just listen. Those people, the people that are progressives need to be isolated and they need to be removed from positions of power and positions of authority. And your normal Democrats, your normal Joe Manchins, right, Those people that are. They care about working people that have a desire to see, you know, maybe they're pro union, but they want to see things that are good for the working people again, the workers, they want to see that kind of stuff. Those people need to be ascendant in the Democrat Party and they need to be the ones in power and they need to be the people that control essentially the money backers of the, of the dnc. If they can get control of the party, that will save the Democrat Party and that honestly will save America. Because then we can go back to arguing over, you know, over which corporate tax rate is right, not whether or not you should kill CEOs, because that's the argument we're having now all too frequently with the far left. Is it acceptable to kill people because they're rich? We're talking about. We're talking about the terror in France.

[Libby Emmons]

Terfs are Nazis. Conservatives or Nazis.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah, but the thing is, we're talking about the far left. We're talking about the exact same kind of thing that caused the terror in the French Revolution.

[Libby Emmons]

And now they're starting to. Now they've brought their red smoke bombs to the U.S. i mean, we've seen them now red smoke bombs in Montreal and in Greenwich Village. So I do think that that's leaning. And I'm just curious, what are we looking at? We're coming up on 250 years as a nation. What are we looking at for the, for the next hundred years of our country? What are, you know, what are our children growing into? What are they inheriting?

[Phil Abonte]

There's a couple things that need, that need to be done. First of all, we need to make sure we need to do our best to get as much of the. As many of the leftists out of schools. So there needs to be massive change at the Department of Education and abolish the schools. Yeah, I mean, I'm talking. I'm talking about the schools of higher.

[Libby Emmons]

Education that you can, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

That you privatize them.

[Libby Emmons]

Fix a lot of these schools. You know, I mean, I think that one thing that would help fix a lot of these schools, one thing that would really do a lot is if the government is no longer providing the student loans for your, you know, gender studies, what we used to call basket weaving, things like this. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Folklore and mythology.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. Well, that's actually worthwhile is the thing. Folklore and mythology are worthwhile classes. Don't major in it, but it's worth. Yeah, it's good to know what our ancestors thought of the world and what they, how they accumulated knowledge. I think that's important. I can make them pay for all that stuff with their endowments.

[Tim Pool]

I can solve a lot of the problems this country is facing very, very easily. What we need is whoever is going to be put in charge of the Department of Education to mandate that all public schools in the United States be converted into mini golf courses where people can pay a nominal fee to enjoy a game of mini golf and the kids will not go to them anymore. And as much as people are going to respond with. But then where do the kids go to learn? I don't know or care. They will still be better off. That's how bad it is.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, that there, there's a lot of truth to that, that, that children are no longer taught. They're not taught things nowadays. And George Bush is responsible for a significant amount of this because of no Child Left Behind. The idea of no Child Left behind just because.

[Libby Emmons]

Terrible compounded with Common Core.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Abonte]

That made, that just made teachers give kids that were failing passing grades. That's all it did. It was a terrible idea. It was a terrible precedent set. But you need to get the schools of education so the schools where teachers go to learn, you need to get the leftist indoctrination out of there. So you need to get rid of Paolo Freddy and all of his.

[Libby Emmons]

Basically just all the grad schools.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, yeah, get rid of all essentially. But yes. And these things.

[Libby Emmons]

Teacher. Teachers, college. It's Hunter. It's all of the schools where all of the teachers go.

[Phil Abonte]

Yes, 100.

[Libby Emmons]

And that's basically we end up.

[Phil Abonte]

Because all of the teachers are ideologically.

[Libby Emmons]

Get rid of the northern schools and the California schools, we keep the southern schools, and then we're okay.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, I don't know if that's exactly how it breaks down. But the thing is, if you. If you've got people in the schools of education being indoctrinated with Paulo Freddy's garbage. Sure. You know, the Pedagogy. Pedagogy of the Oppressed, I think is the book that he uses.

[Libby Emmons]

There's. That there's Theater of the oppressed. Yeah, there's all of this.

[Phil Abonte]

The whole thing is about oppression. And you're not teaching kids things like how to. How to write, how to properly construct sentences, how to do math, how to do basic things like that. You need to actually live. You're taught. They're taught all kinds of just leftist mumbo jumbo. And the teachers are taught that. So when they get into the schools and they're teaching kids, they're teaching them absolutely insane shit.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta be honest, you know, like, my view on a lot of this is it's either like. Like it's going to get really bad in 20 years because these kids are going to grow up and their brains are going to be fried. They're not going to know basic survival skills. They will make demands of the government. The government will collapse. People who are voting for other people. Like, you're going to have a large population. These younger people are going to be in their 20s and 30s, and they're going to say, I hereby vote that all capable people of merit must do work for me. That's basically what they're saying. Because they're going to be like, I don't know how to survive this at this. So we should tax everybody. Then the people who actually do work and make things get taxed, everybody knows what happens. Then the people who. There's this funny story that went viral where it was like a teacher did a communism lesson on the. In the classroom and said, when the. The next test we take, we're going to average out all the grades and everyone will get the same grade. And then what happened was everybody ended up getting like a B minus. And so the kids who didn't study were like, hey, I didn't even study and I got a B. The kids who just bombed the test, like, I gotta be. But the kids who worked really hard and would and got perfect scores, got Bs and got mad, yeah, they would be. So the next time they did a test, it dropped down to a C. Because the kids who worked really, really hard were like, well, what's the point? I'm gonna break my. Break my bag and I'm not gonna get that much. I better do what they're doing. They're chilling. So why. Why study? And then within like three or four cycles, they were all failing. And because nobody felt like they had to take responsibility for it, because the harder you worked, you were being pulled back by everybody else. That's what's going to happen with the next generation. And so what I see is, okay, maybe in 20, 30 years, it all falls apart and collapses. But I'm not really worried because I got no problem living in a van down by the river. Now, these urban hippie, liberal city urban liberal types, we call them, they're going to be freaking out, bashing their faces on the table. Their water will shut off. They're not going to not know what they can or cannot eat. So, you know, I always talk about how over at. Over at the Cass Castle other studio, there's fruit everywhere. We've got wine, berries, blackberries, mulberries galore, mulberries like crazy. And pawpaw fruit, and there's wild frost grapes. Heavens, there's so much food. But there's also these little red berries and these little blackberries, and they will kill you if you eat them.

[Libby Emmons]

You got to be careful with that.

[Tim Pool]

And see, we like in the Hunger Games, we know that because living out there, we checked and we did all. We checked to make sure, and we used apps and we searched on the Internet and then we confirmed. And these urban liberal types don't even know that you can eat a berry off of a plant they've never gathered before. I mean, some have. Of course, they'll go up north and they'll go mapling or whatever they might do, but they're not gonna have any idea. It's remarkable to me when. And I'm not gonna pretend to be like some survivalist expert when I tell people, yeah, black walnut trees, you can tap and you can drink the SAP. And they're like, wow, I didn't know that. Well, it's not a common thing, but black walnut Syrup you can make. And maple trees. Yeah, you can just. Just. You can just drink the water right of the tree. It's. It's lightly sweet or whatever. People don't know anything about how to get food anywhere. And I hear it all the time from. People come from the cities being like, can I eat that? And I'm like, yes, it's food. Like, what do you think you're eating at the grocery store? Do you think there's, like a machine that makes the strawberry? They grow it on the ground and they throw it in a bucket and then they give it to you. That's why you got to wash it off. That's pesticides or whatever.

[Libby Emmons]

I had a friend, I was telling him I was eating the eggs that your chickens made, and. And he was like, I prefer the ones from the market. I was like, why? These ones are way better.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Fresh rich, but yeah. So my point is, these kids in these schools are going to grow up totally clueless. And then once they can vote, they're going to say, I hereby vote to take Phil stuff. Because, you know, Phil's oppressing me by being rich. And meanwhile, Phil is just going to be some dude living on, like, five acres who has his own garden. And he's going to be like, look, I planted this food so I could eat it. Like, yeah, well, you have more than I do, so you're oppressing me. So give me your food.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, this is communism. I. I mean, this is what happened in Soviet Russia.

[Tim Pool]

And that's why I'm saying the worst case scenario is when everything collapses and these people are eating each other in the streets. I'm not gonna be anywhere near them. And I think I can take care of myself. I will not enjoy it. But, you know, we're trying to resist this from happening, like, resist this movement. And we wanna make changes so that we can live in comfort. But look at the CEO assassin. This guy was so dumb, he murdered someone because he doesn't understand how the system works. Works. These young people have dissociated or been dissociated from basic functions of economics to where they believe, like psychopaths like Bernie Sanders, that healthcare is a human right. But the best way to phrase it is anything that requires the human labor of someone else is not a human right. You can't force a doctor to treat you. They are going to try with guns. When it all falls apart. Nah, I think I'll be all right. Unhappy, but all right. Or we can stand up now. We can hope, and we can pressure and we can campaign and we can vote and we can educate and we can fix these systems this cycle while we have the chance and then start to educate young people properly.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, I was fairly black pilled before the election of Donald Trump in the recent election. I really did think that the narrative that is spun by the left and by the mainstream media had gotten so deep inside people's heads that they were going to vote for Kamala Harris.

[Libby Emmons]

I thought so, too. I was worried about it.

[Phil Abonte]

I really believe, and to be honest with you, if the Democrats hadn't blown it, if, if Joe Biden hadn't blown it with the, with the border his entire time, that I, that might have been true.

[Libby Emmons]

But they, I think if he hadn't dropped out, he would have had a much better chance than Kamala did.

[Phil Abonte]

I'm not so sure about that because I think a lot of people were pretty aware that he's dead. He was a walking dead man.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man. We definitely got to talk about all the commutations and pardons, but if you want to hit that point before we jump to next.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah, the only, the point that I'm making is I, is Tim, is to amplify Tim's point. We do have a chance now and I'm very thankful because I thought that.

[Libby Emmons]

I hope you guys are right.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the wrap. Heavens, look at this. CNN's Clarissa Ward. Freeze. Syria. Syrian prisoner left to die in windowless cell. Video moving footage shows Syrian civilian emerging to the light for the first time in three months. Now, anyone who's got, I don't know, like a third grade education is immediately going to say, hold on a minute. He was emerging to the light for the first time in three months and he's staring at the sky. Is he blind? How many of you, honest question, Mike, are you married?

[Mike Davis]

I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

You're not married? Have you and any. Have family members or whatever, you stayed over for the holidays and then you're sleeping and it's early in the morning and as you're waking up, they turn the lights on. This has happened to you, I imagine, and you like, what the hell is. And you're like, oh, what are you doing? Turn the lights off, man. Oh, God. You know, I'm sure that's happened to everybody. Yeah. That's why I always say, like when I'm waking up as a, okay, I've turned the lights on. And she'll go, yeah, you're good. I'll say, okay. And then. Or if she's going to do it. I'll put the pillow over my face and then slowly, because it hurts.

[Libby Emmons]

This is why when I wake my kid up for school in the morning, I turn the lights on with no warning to just get him out of bed.

[Tim Pool]

Long story short, everybody is saying this video is clearly fake because this guy, who was supposedly malnourished, didn't have any food or water for five days and was in a cell with no windows for three months, stands up of his own volition, walks outside and looks at the sky and goes, the light, dude. All you have to do is ask any physician or Google it. After a couple of weeks of darkness, the amount of time it takes you to come back into the light, it is exponential. So I did investigate, and I looked up at various sites, and it said prolonged exposure to a lack of light over a prolonged period of time. It can take an individual two to seven days to be able to open their ey outside after being kept the dark as long as they did. More importantly, the video's nuts. Let me. Let me see if we can pull up the video. Oh, did they take it down? Oh, that's interesting. The video's gone. That can't be right. There it is. Okay, because I was going to say, like, that's pretty well. World lead. As Syria's new rebel leaders say they will not pardon Assad regime officials who tortured and killed prisoners during the decades of his brutal reign, CNN's Clarissa Ward went to a Syrian prison to find.

[Phil Abonte]

Someone still locked in a cell with.

[Tim Pool]

No idea that Assad's regime had fallen deep in the belly of the regime's air force intelligence headquarters.

[Libby Emmons]

These are English letters.

[Tim Pool]

We are hoping to find traces of Austin Tice, an American journalist held captive in Syria since 2012. It's one of many, many secret prisons across the city. This specific branch was tasked with surveillance, arrest, and killing of all regime critics. We don't find any hints of tice but come across something extraordinary. I can't tell, though. It might just be a blanket, but it's the only cell that's locked.

[Phil Abonte]

Is he gonna shoot it?

[Tim Pool]

The guard makes us turn the camera off while he shoots the lock off the cell door. Why?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that's weird. Why?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I don't know, but let's play more. We go in to get a closer look. It's still not clear. Notice there's no toilet in there. There is something under the blanket. Oh, it moved. Is there someone there? I thought I saw it move. Is someone there? I just also, just to point out the absurdity of an American journalist. I believe she's American, yelling in English at a Syrian prisoner.

[Libby Emmons]

It's also weird sending a woman in. Yeah, well, she's got guards and stuff, like, still.

[Tim Pool]

That's true. But I, you know, I've traveled all over the world and covered news in many countries, and I would never yell in English at someone who didn't speak it. And I actually did trainings on this because there was a circumstance where I was in Turkey and a guy held a Molotov cocktail up to my face, and my producer's face screaming in Turkish. And I just held my hands up and I very calmly turned around and started moving while the other guy was just frantically ranting, saying, it's fine, it's fine, you're good.

[Phil Abonte]

Good.

[Tim Pool]

And I had to explain to him. And I've done trainings on this where I say, listen, if there is someone who doesn't speak English and they're yelling at you in a foreign language and you start panicking. Do you understand what you sound like you are sounding. They don't know if you're screaming, I'm going to kill you, or what. You're what. What you may be saying. Just shut up. So let's play a little bit more. So there's a blanket on the ground, and a guard comes up or, I don't know, a rebel fighter. And he opens the blanket and there emerges the man. I'm a civilian, he says, I'm a civilian. He stands right up with ease. He tells the fighter he's from the city of H, has been in the cell for three months. Really? Look at that beard. What happens if you don't shave for three months? Certainly not that. Right? Yeah, I'm sorry. Let's just stop wasting time. His fingernails are well trimmed. Maybe not perfectly, but his fingernails are cut. Someone in a prison for three months is going to have a long beard and long fingernails. Unless they've been coming in and treating him. They also go on to say, he asks for water. He grabs her arm. Water. Water, please. I'm sorry. They claim that he hadn't had food or water in five days since the regime fell again. Do a cursory Google search of what happens after five days of no water. You cannot stand up.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah, you will.

[Tim Pool]

You are. You are having seizures. You are on the ground vomiting after five days.

[Phil Abonte]

The rule of three says that you're dead after three. With no water.

[Tim Pool]

No, you can. You can go. About seven days is the point of death. But you're at day five. You're in minor organ failure without any water. My favorite comment on the accusations that this was staged. Where's the poop? He's been in there for three months and there's no toilet. Okay, fine. In that three months, they brought him to the bathroom deal. In the past five days, as he was there by himself with no water or food, did he just hold it in? I guess maybe. Now the best part, of course, is when they bring him outside here he is walking of his own volition while holding their hands. You are free. This is the third prison they brought me to, he says, the third prison. After three months in a windowless cell, you can finally see the sky. The light says, oh, God, there is life. You know, my immediate response was after it snows and there's like a couple inches of snow on the ground, I can't even look out my window, it's so bright.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And here's this guy who's been locked up for three months on a windowless cell looking at the sky, going, the light, the light. Ok, so I'm sorry. Look, I'm not saying I know for sure that CNN did anything. Maybe they're just so dumb that the Syrian rebels told them it was happening and they went, ok, I guess I'm going to go ahead and believe that this is not a real Syrian prisoner. He has no beard. After three months, Unless, like Assad has been coming in for regular trimmings, you know, the guy hasn't. He can stand. I mean, you know what? Honestly, they freed this guy, I think they should get a DNA sample to figure out how it is he's so strong after not eating or drinking for five days. But I ask you, panel, you think CNN intentionally faked this? Do you think they were duped or do you think it's real?

[Phil Abonte]

I would go with duped.

[Libby Emmons]

I would also go with duped because.

[Tim Pool]

There'S also the willfully duped.

[Phil Abonte]

Exactly.

[Libby Emmons]

Definitely willfully duped. But I think that it's in these rebels slash terrorists best interests to try and make nice with the American media.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah, I think that's right. I, I do think they were duped because. And I think that they were very easily duped because they wanted to believe it, because it's something that they could put on to, you know, put on the Internet and be like, look, this is, you know, this really happened and we're doing journalism.

[Libby Emmons]

You guys check it out. I know that's a big deal these days.

[Phil Abonte]

I think that it was, was willingly duped. They were duped, but it Was. It was willful. Yeah. Well, I mean, they weren't. They weren't looking to challenge what they were being told. It was convenient for them to not challenge them and say, hey, this is. This is. This might not be true.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they just rolled there. I don't. I think people don't realize just how often the corporate press stages things. There was a major instance where some protesters, I think it was in, like, Anaheim, California, were marching through the streets with a flag. I think it was a Mexican flag. And one of the reporters asked a group. It was a reporter from a corporate news outlet, asked the group to huddle together and so we could get a picture of the flag. And everybody was like, yo, someone caught this on film, where he's like, hey, guys, can you come together and, like, kneel on the ground and stand up, hold the flag, and I'll get a photo of it? And then everyone said, that's a staged photograph for the news. They were not huddling together and holding the flag together. A reporter asked them to do it. That's called staging. The reporters don't care. They're like, what do you mean? They were here with the flag. It's fine.

[Libby Emmons]

The Saddam Hussein statue toppling was staged.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, really?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What was that?

[Libby Emmons]

That was like. What was it? The. Was it. Was it Desert Storm?

[Phil Abonte]

No, it was Iraqi Freedom.

[Libby Emmons]

It was Iraqi Freedom. Right. It was after 9, 11. Right. That's when it was. And it was. It wasn't like. It wasn't organic that people were pulling down this statue. There were, like, Americans there being like, hey, don't you guys want to pull down that statue? We'll take some pictures of it.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, yeah. They gave them all.

[Phil Abonte]

They brought the. They used tanks to do it. They used Abrams tanks to pull it down, you know?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Phil Abonte]

And I mean, look, it's not like the people of Iraq were happy with Saddam, and it's not like they weren't, you know, extremely excited about the idea of pulling the statue down.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Phil Abonte]

But it wasn't the people of Iraq saying to the Americans, we need to pull this down. It was like, you know, it was.

[Libby Emmons]

A little different than that.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah. So.

[Tim Pool]

Corporate media is fake. What else is new? I guess this is, like, the eighth subject we brought up about them lying.

[Libby Emmons]

Did you see Van Jones. Did you see Van Jones's clip at the New York Times? I think it was at Deal.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's. Let's. Let's pull it up.

[Libby Emmons]

It was really interesting.

[Tim Pool]

We have this story from the Post. Millennial Van Jones laments the decline of mainstream media, says Dems don't understand it. Well, let's hear it from his own Philly suburbs. And I'm telling you, we are way off. The entire political class is way off. First of all, digital is a new door knocking. You gotta understand that. We were laughing our butts off at Donald Trump for suspending his door knocking campaign and letting Charlie, Kirk and Elon do a bunch of stuff online. We said, these guys are idiots. These guys are stupid. Then you start knocking on these doors. You know what, people come to the door with their phones in their hand. He just figured out there's a 24 hour digital surround sound that has nothing to do with CNN, has nothing to do with any stuff that we do. I asked my teenage son, I asked him who are the most influential people in the world today? I'm thinking to myself, he's gonna say Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Jay Z. He says, Kai sent Adin Ross, Jinxy and Sketch. I don't know who he's talking about. I said, what, what, what platforms are you are. He goes, I'm on Twitch, Kick and Rumble. I said, that sounds like you need to go to the hospital. What are these platforms? I'm telling you guys, the mainstream has become fringe. And the fringe has become mainstream. Yep, there are platforms. There are people out there that are getting 14 million streams and we're on cable news getting 1 or 2 million. And that's a lie. Because they are not.

[Libby Emmons]

Because they're. Yeah, they're not getting that.

[Tim Pool]

There's a whole world out there. Kellyanne Conway, I hate to agree with her, but I do. A lot of times Donald Trump understood that and we didn't. And that's not just Democrats that don't. The entire political class is way off, way off, way off. And that's the end of the clip. But you know, he is right. The main chamber has become fringe. Now I ask all of you watching at home, do you think that after watching this they're just going to sit by and go, guess we lose? Or are they going to say the New York Times, like, what's, how much money, how many subscribers the New York Times has? Do you know?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

They make a lot of money.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, they do.

[Tim Pool]

Comcast, Disney, msnbc, they're being spun off. But these big corporations have resources to spare. They absolutely are going to come into the space. They're going to start producing for YouTube. They're going to have marketing.

[Libby Emmons]

11 million.

[Tim Pool]

11, 11 million subscribers?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Wow.

[Tim Pool]

They're going to. And what is it, like 10 bucks a month or something?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, something like that. But you know what's interesting? 10, almost 11 million. No, 10 point, 11.09 million subscribers. 10.47 million of those are digital only.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Wow. So these, these companies, they're going to come to the digital space and they're going to start going to these liberal personalities and say, we're going to give you $10 million a year to license your show and we're going to put 20 million in marketing. We're going to put up billboards in every city. You will be ubiquitous and you will say what you are told to say and they're going to go, deal boss, whatever you say. And then these authentic podcasters will drown you out when they put 20 million in marketing and then go to YouTube and say, look, this is the biggest channel. It's got 10 million subs, the biggest news channel. Stop promoting these other ones. Do a home bar that features the existing channels that you know are safe, that advertisers are happy with, and you're never going to have to worry about an ad. And YouTube says, you got it, boss. You know, I know they're going to do it, cuz YouTube did it several years ago. They propped up CNN, MSNBC and Fox News and downranked all the independent podcasts. They will gladly do it again when MSNBC, who pays Rachel Maddow $25 million, MSNBC, is going to say, we have carriage fees for now. Where do we go in three years with our ratings being zero? Okay, let's take those carriage fees. Tell YouTube we want to be on YouTube TV. Pay us there, we'll give it to you at a premium. You know, we'll let you keep some of the money as long as you feature us and promote us.

[Phil Abonte]

YouTube TV just raised their price to $82 per month too. I saw something like that, which I, I didn't even know. Like, I don't even know what's on YouTube TV.

[Tim Pool]

It's cable. It's everything.

[Phil Abonte]

It's everything. That's, that's so.

[Tim Pool]

It's, it's got all, every channel, basically.

[Phil Abonte]

Okay, well, I mean, I didn't even.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't know, I. Look, it's, it's like cable TV. So we have YouTube TV, so when we put on the news, it's through YouTube TV.

[Phil Abonte]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And I can pull up any channel I would normally watch. They got everything. As far as I can tell, you have to pay extra if you want, like HBO and all this stuff extra.

[Phil Abonte]

On top of the $82.

[Tim Pool]

Of course, that's how it's always been insane. But that's. That's the same as cable. Cable, 70 bucks a month. And if you want HBO, it's 15 bucks a month extra as a premium subscription. So they're doing the exact same thing, but it's digital now. I mean, then you've got Dish Direct there. All of the cable companies are turning into subscriber services that bundle all of these channels. The weird thing about it, though, is, like, I don't know that we need channels when we have video on demand.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I don't watch a lot of. I don't watch a lot of stuff. I'll be like, oh, I want to watch, you know, whatever, something that came out 15 years ago, and I'll go watch that, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. AI is going to end media. Like, we are. We are so close to it being over. I don't think people really understand storytelling. Yeah, I keep hearing from people, they're like, nah, I will never capture that. That great storytelling that humans get. And it's like, no, no, no, you are wrong. You are wrong, wrong, wrong. We are a couple of years away from procedurally generated movies that. That hit.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, sure. I mean, you just give it a formula. Once you know the formula and you can crack that, then you can do any story.

[Tim Pool]

This is how Netflix made House of Car cards. They noticed that they had a really high viewership on. On political thrillers and Kevin Spacey movies and said, let's make a political thriller with Kevin Spacey.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, and then they. They also ripped off the British version. Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They were basically like, we looked at our data and saw what people liked, and we're gonna make this. Imagine what happens when AI, where we are right now with AI is already crazy. The GROK image generator is for the first time, someone you can AI generate pictures of Kamala Harris.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And I know it seems silly, but it was actually difficult to do. You'd go to all these different AIs and it would give you this weird looking, you know, mixed race woman, and it wouldn't really get Kamala. Now the Grok AI nails it. These. These AI videos that are coming out are getting better and better. A year or two from now, it's going to be on. It's going to be indecipherable to the average person. Potentially a year from two now, a year or two from now, because of the exponential increase, it is going to be outright full on procedurally generated movies where I'm going to say I'm going to type in or just voice to text. Movie AI. Give me a superhero movie where Spider man has to team up with Phil labonte. Of all that remains to take down Rhino. And Rhino is wreaking havoc in New York City. And make it compelling and put in a good love interest and it'll just rendering.

[Phil Abonte]

How long ago was the Will Smith eating spaghetti video AI video?

[Tim Pool]

Two years ago.

[Phil Abonte]

Was that two years with 24 months maybe.

[Tim Pool]

And it was just like weird and gross.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah. And we ever. I remember we were talking. Everyone was kind of wowed by that. It was like, wow, look at it move. It's still weird, but man. And everyone is saying, look, the next thing is going to be crazy. And nowadays you can generate things that you can generate incredibly crazy stuff that looks absolutely real. I don't remember, I don't know the website or what. I think it was an Instagram account.

[Tim Pool]

A bunch of websites.

[Phil Abonte]

Well, there was an Instagram account that makes these real weird, creepy ones. A lot of times they're using eggs or things that flow and they use. But the, the thing, the text. What was really the most remarkable is the textures on smoke. The textures on again, like eggs and like there's kind of like flowing people that kind of. And it. But it wasn't, it wasn't like, it wasn't this Fever dream kind of thing. The textures were very, very realistic. It was, it was, it was to the point where you were like, okay, that's on par with any kind of practical makeup that I've ever seen made in, you know, computer generated.

[Tim Pool]

So, but, but anyway, I digress. Imagine what happens too when this comes into the podcast space. I've already talked to people in news who have said they are generating an AI likeness that can be fed a script and produce a video podcast of a person that looks normal. Looks like any other video podcast.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, maybe the Democrats won't need to do their big plan. They have this big plan to try and combat Turning Point usa. They want to create their own Turning Point so that they can get their own Rogan because they lost their old Rogan.

[Tim Pool]

It's not going to.

[Libby Emmons]

Because it was Rogan. And yeah, it's very funny, but so they were talking about in the New York Times, they were like talking to all of these, you know, influencers and creators on the left who were saying we weren't even getting any money until the last couple of months of the campaign. Nobody was paying us. And it's like nobody was paying those meme guys. In 2016, those guys all had day jobs and then we're doing this stuff because it was their passion.

[Tim Pool]

They're going to do it it. Because I can tell you guys right now, if you have the money, you can own the space. And it's not like it's so simple. You can snap your fingers and do it. But there is an amount of money to get a channel as big or bigger than Rogan. The question is, do you want to pay it? Well, for a while, nobody did because they didn't care about this space.

[Libby Emmons]

What do you mean? You just buy the channel?

[Tim Pool]

No, you can just pay in marketing and easily build up a channel. You can, you can make it so that, that it's a combination of the. So an outsider. If you've got $20 million, you can relatively easily get a 5 million subscriber channel and get hundreds of thousands of videos of views per video. You do need good talent. You can't just be some random moron so easily. What they do is they'll go on YouTube, they'll say, this channel's got 117,000 followers. Let's bring them in, refine them, give them the marketing, pump them up, put $20 million behind them, billboards, every city. Then we're going to plant stories in the press. We will make this person matter. We will make them bigger than Rogan. And they can do it. They just haven't bothered with it because they thought TV was still. Cable was king. They thought they still, they still owned it.

[Libby Emmons]

They were with Van Jones over here, right?

[Tim Pool]

He's shocked by it.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, he's stunned.

[Tim Pool]

Now, a lot of these Networks understand that YouTube is growing. They have a presence on YouTube. They can see those numbers. It's not that they're stupid, it's that it's really simple. They're going, we make $50 million on TV with carriage fees and everything else, and we make $40 million on YouTube. So we're going to prioritize TV. Then this year it went and switched. Now they're going to say, okay, that's it. Our TV venture is not going to be surviving for the next year or two. Our priority has got to be building up in this podcast space. So we're going to need authentic sounding individuals who are going to fall in line and do as they're told. Disney and all these big companies are going to come in and you may say, yeah, but Tim Cast IRL is a good show, right? It's authentic with real people. That's why I watch it. They will get close enough with their, with their weird fake acting schools and training. But where we cannot compete is they're going to put $20 million behind their people. Not because they want to make money, because they want to own the influence space. YouTube is subsidized. Google pays money to control this media outlet, this media space, despite it costing them money. Money. Do you think the Democratic Party establishment, the neocons and the neo libs are going to sit back and just not do that? Or do you think they're going to be like, we have billions of dollars under our control to spare? Or how about the deep state? Do you think untoward elements are going to sit back and just be like, I guess we lose control of the narrative? These next couple of years are going to get crazy. And don't be surprised if by 2026, you're going to see a Rachel Maddow type with 17 million subscribers on YouTube getting 3 million views per, per podcast with segments they're going to be making 70 to 80 million. YouTube's going to prop them up with some backroom deal. They're going to be fed deep state lines where they go, did you see how CNN rescued that prisoner? Wow. Here's the thing. On this show, we show you the video of CNN rescuing the prisoner and we question it because it looks really fake. But what did CNN do now? CNN showed it to you. Right, but. And they're, and they're assuming most people would just believe it, but what you're going to end up having happened happen is these video podcasts won't even show you the clip. They're all just going to say, yeah, I saw that. That was crazy. They'll all talk to each other. The listener will believe it to be true, never having actually seen the video. And then it will become truth to them. And if at any point you come out and say, did you watch the video? It looked fake, they're going to go, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. And that will be YouTube. That will be the biggest players on the board and they will own that narrative. And that's how they're going to try and reclaim the institutional power.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean, well, they're already working on it. They've been announcing it. They announced it.

[Tim Pool]

They have been, yeah, indeed.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, the, There is, I think that it's, it's fairly clear that there will be some kind of effort be being put in by the establishment to get the, you know, get after the podcast space or podcast space. But the idea that they lost Joe, you know, they say things like, we need to get our own Joe Rogan. Everyone knows they had their own Joe Rogan. What they need to do is actually referencing what we were talking about earlier is they need to have the fight in the Democrat Party and get rid of the people that are canceling people for trying to. For discussing ideas that are off limits. The problem. The Democrats have the reason why.

[Tim Pool]

That's the same problem.

[Phil Abonte]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

That's the same problem.

[Phil Abonte]

Articulate that. What do you mean?

[Tim Pool]

You're saying the Democrats need to get rid of the people that are canceling people and they need their own Joe Rose Rogan. It's same problem.

[Phil Abonte]

No, no, that's what I'm saying.

[Tim Pool]

When they fund a massive podcast, who then dictates the Democrat, you know, dogma. It will. All those people will fall in line in two seconds. The problem is the far left element gets their. Excuse me, Gets their information from the Internet and the moderate corporate libs get their information from the TV. Once they unify their narrative machine in YouTube, they fall in line like a culture.

[Phil Abonte]

I don't think the far left does that. I think that the far left get.

[Tim Pool]

Their information from the Internet.

[Phil Abonte]

No, I mean, I don't think they fall in line. I think that. I think that they. They would be fighting because there are. There are currently. Because of the fact that there's a civil war. That indicates that they don't. That they don't just follow line.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they do.

[Phil Abonte]

I don't.

[Tim Pool]

The far left, they're simultaneously anti big, big health care but pro big pharma. They're simultaneously anti military industrial complex but pro war in Ukraine. They will do whatever they're told to do. The issue is, is the far left is younger and they're getting their information from the Internet. Even when it's contradictory, they fall in line. Hassan Piker is a great example. The dude's dumb as a box of rocks. He complains about the military industrial complex and then supports the military industrial complex in Ukraine. It makes no sense.

[Phil Abonte]

I'm not. So. I'm not sure what his take on the actual. The war in Ukraine. I think that. And if he does, the reason that he does is because he sees Ukraine as being oppressed by Russia. Russia's an oligarchy.

[Tim Pool]

Or, you know, I think, I think you're giving him way too much credit.

[Phil Abonte]

I think that he. The power dynamics on the Marxist. On the Marxist power dynamics are very simple to understand. You don't have to be smart to understand them.

[Tim Pool]

If that was part of what The. If that were the case, they'd be on Israel's side. Because all of these Arabic nations.

[Phil Abonte]

No, because Israel. They see Israel and the US as the same thing. They look at the US as. Because the US Backs Israel, they see the US Is power.

[Tim Pool]

Except for the fact that what you're basically saying is they choose when to apply oppression dynamics or not to.

[Phil Abonte]

Why? What do you mean? Go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

Israel is a. Is a state the size of New Jersey surrounded by a whole bunch of massively powerful and wealthy Arabic nations that want to destroy it. Of course, I understand that the US Is funding Israel massively as well, and it's aligned with the United States. They could choose to go either direction in the narrative. Ukraine is funded by Naito, so they're choosing to ignore the Western influence in Ukraine. But they're. They're demanding we reference the Western influence in Israel.

[Phil Abonte]

They're against the. They're against the. The. The Israeli Palestinian conflict. They don't look at the other countries supporting. They look at Palestine. They look at the. They look at Gaza and they say that the Israelis are committing a genocide against the Palestinians.

[Tim Pool]

I think you're projecting logic onto an illogical group of cultists. These are. These are people who spell women with an actual X with an eye and with an. With a. With a Y. There is no unification when they. Simultaneously, there's a group called the Coalition for Communities of Color that says Slavic people are people of color despite having white skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes. They. There was this big fiasco a couple years ago that we made fun of where they said women should be spelled an X, W, O, M, X, N, which then they said it's inclusive of all women, which resulted in a backlash where they said, this means. You're saying trans women need a special qualifier. You can't do that. None of it made sense. There is no making sense in. We are angry with these healthcare companies. The CEOs are bad. Everybody should be mandated to take a big pharmaceutical drug. Big pharma is your friend.

[Phil Abonte]

Well, I mean, you can make the same argument about why they would support, like the Soviet Union, which was very authoritarian and obviously it's a communist country.

[Tim Pool]

Impressive.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah, but the narrative that they believed about the Soviet Union was the Soviet Union was fighting against the United States again.

[Tim Pool]

So we'll break down what wokeness means. I hear this all the time, especially with this debate from the classical liberal types who I consider to be moral cowards over what the woke right is. And you know, they've been saying. Saying Tucker Carlson Is woke right? And it's like, no, you are completely wrong. Ben Shapiro gave a definition of wokeness. And I can't remember exactly how he defined it, but I also disagree with him. I believe he's wrong. The reason why is because when you. When you look at all of the cultural instances over the past 10 years where woke has been applied, what you typically see is not that someone is trans. It is not that someone is gay. It is not that someone believes that there is racism or there should or should not be taxes or therefore against a certain war. It's when they apply a cult like adherence to the liberal social order. Whatever the narrative is of the liberal machine, you must follow whether it makes sense or does not. So that's why when the Jaguar commercial came out, Jaguar.

[Phil Abonte]

And it shows you sometimes.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it was fun. And it shows all these people with weird clothes. A bunch of people said, that's woke. And it's like, now why were they saying that? Because for a while it wasn't that these people are non binary trans or whatever, but it's similar to it. Wokeness was an authoritarian element. What people complained as woke was this ham fisted over the top. Here's an example. Nobody called Baldur's Gate 3 woke because you could make a male character with female genitals. There was no outcry, there were no articles because it wasn't a component of the game, it was in the character creation. You could literally make a female character with a male voice who used he him pronouns. And some people laughed at the idea that you could, but it wasn't part of the story. Then Dragon Age comes out and there's a scene where she goes, oi, I accidentally misgendered. You better pull above. And then she starts doing push ups for two minutes. They're breaking down and explaining why using that's woke. It is telling people with cult like fervor to adhere to their orthodox. So when Blair White comes on a show and talks about these things, no one calls Blair woke despite being trans. Yet when these gender activists come out and say you should be fired from your job, people would further that as woke. The overarching element of what wokeness was was the cult like adherence to the liberal social orthodoxy.

[Phil Abonte]

That's because the. And that the meaning of the word woke or where it comes from is to have awoken a critical consciousness and being awake to, to a secret knowledge. And that's, that's where woke comes from. So what is red pilled? Well, red pill is not so much. I mean I guess, same thing. I guess it's similar in the, in the, in the cloak. I'm not so sure that red pill does.

[Tim Pool]

The red pill wakes you up.

[Phil Abonte]

It does, but the red pill, it's not, it's not this. Maybe, maybe it is.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe this is, this is the issue.

[Phil Abonte]

I take might actually be right with that.

[Tim Pool]

These classical liberals who are coming out saying Tucker Carlson's woke, right, is that they're taking this thin selection of an authoritarian collectivist ideology and saying that's what WOKE is. And it's like, that doesn't explain why they're pro war in Ukraine. That doesn't explain why they were pro lockdowns. They've, they. The logic of oppressive oppressor does not apply to half the things that they did. So if they're, if they're saying the oppressed are bad, then they should be cheering for the small businesses that got shut down during the New York lockdowns. No, they were all in favor of the lockdowns.

[Phil Abonte]

The small businesses are properly property owners.

[Tim Pool]

And the government and the, and Walmart, I should say the Walmarts that were supported, they didn't care about, they didn't go out and protest that Walmart was allowed to stay open and sell. And they didn't do anything to defend the small businesses being oppressed by Walmart.

[Phil Abonte]

They had no problem smashing up Walmarts or stealing from Walmarts.

[Tim Pool]

But the point is, and they didn't during the, during the riots in New York, they certainly smashed things up and Target got hit up in Minnesota. But that's immaterial to the whole argument of what they were willing or not willing to support court. They would demand you wore a mask. They would demand you got vaccinated. They would demand the government lock you down. They would not defend the little guy whose life was being destroyed. They would cheer when the police came to arrest small business owners. That is the government and the state and the police. It makes no sense that the BLM protesters of this ideology celebrated when the police went to a man's home and arrested him. If the application was its critical theory, the reality is it is cult like adherence to social liberal social orthodoxy. If it is of our idea, it is to be protected. If it is of our order, it is to be demanded. So they can simultaneously say the healthcare industry is broken and these CEOs did it and then turn around and go, you should be mandated by force to buy a product from the big pharmaceutical companies and be mandated to take that drug. They can simultaneously say the military industrial complex is evil and is destroying the world. They are white colonizers and oppressors. And we are very happy that they're spending all this money in Ukraine and fighting this war.

[Libby Emmons]

Did you see the bipartisan bill that Josh Hawley and Elizabeth Warren put together? They want to force insurance companies to split from their pharmacies, which I think is actually really smart. I don't think insurance companies and pharmacies should be the same company because obviously that's a conflict of interest. It's a huge conflict of interest. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Interesting.

[Libby Emmons]

I think it's interesting. I hope that it actually goes through. And it is. I think it's interesting too that, that it is bipartisan and it's two people who are pretty diametrically opposed in terms of being, you know, pretty conservative and pretty leftist. Liz Warren and Josh Hawley and that they could agree on something like this. I mean, I think that that's, I think that's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Elizabeth Warren said this is a warning when she dirt.

[Libby Emmons]

She sure did. And that's what I mean, you know.

[Tim Pool]

And Fox News said she was agreeing with the murder. That's a little too far. She didn't say that, said it was wrong. But they keep, they keep doing this thing where Bernie Sanders is like, like, you know, it's an atrocity and murder is bad. But, you know, people are being pushed. And I'm like, oh, here we go. Let's jump to this story from the New York Post. Florida mom arrested for saying delay, deny, depose. On call with Blue Cross Blue Shield health insurer. You people are next. Take a look at this video. Colin Rugg says Brianna Boston, a 42 year old. 40, 42 year old mother of three, was arrested for making threats to Blue Cross Brew Blue Shield over a rejected medical claim. The woman, who is now facing fifth up to 15 years in prison, allegedly quoted Mangione saying, delay, deny, depose. You people are next. This was a similar message that Mangione left on his bullet casings. The woman told investigators that healthcare companies played games and deserved karma from the world because they are evil, adding that she was inspired by the recent news cycle. Boston was charged with threats to conduct, mass shooting or act of terror. Her bond was set at $100,000. The nature of the threats, we would also be asking for GPS with house arrest conditions to protect the community. With her head in her hands, Brianna.

[Libby Emmons]

Boston learned she would be held in a $100,000 bond. The Polk county judge adding the bond.

[Tim Pool]

Was appropriate given the, quote, status of our country.

[Mike Davis]

It's not like she's a child.

[Tim Pool]

She's 42 years old, you know, so we're not dealing with a child here.

[Mike Davis]

She should certainly know better.

[Libby Emmons]

Lakeland Police Chief Sam Taylor says his.

[Tim Pool]

Department was contacted by the FBI Tuesday. Authorities say in a recorded phone call about a denied insurance claim, Boston told.

[Libby Emmons]

A Blue Cross Blue Shield. Employ, quote, delay, deny, depose.

[Tim Pool]

You people are next. End quote. So these people who are cheering all of this on in 2020, we saw what may have been the largest transfer of wealth from the working class people into private corporate hands. We sure did ever done with the vaccine mandates. So these are the people that defended all of that.

[Phil Abonte]

The.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, if the people who bought stock in Moderna saw like A what like a 5x increase overnight, these people made mad bank that these pharmaceuticals made massive amounts of money. How can these people have a sane or rational worldview holding both simultaneously that they are parasites who are next. But that also it was good the state mandated the transfer of wealth to pharmaceutical. Different. Which are different.

[Libby Emmons]

But do we know Ms. Boston's political leanings? I don't think we do.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not saying her. Her personally. Yeah, I'm saying that. That you have all these leftists cheering. But you could pull up the archives of the same Reddit accounts.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, exactly where they're. Taylor Lorenz, for example.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Who's like the obvious one who still writes about like how she's going to wear masks at Christmas and complaints about all of these things. Was very forceful about mandates and vaccines and lockdowns and all of that stuff.

[Phil Abonte]

Do you guys think that Taylor Lorenz is a committed leftist or is she just a woke?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I think she.

[Tim Pool]

It is the cult like adherence to liberal social orthodoxy. It is contradictory at times, but doesn't matter so long as you are swimming with the, with. With the. The school of fish. Be in the hive, follow the hive. Don't reject anything the hive tells you. And it really is just about what seemingly is the more popular concept at the time. Hence women versus women. Someone introduces the idea, if it works, the hive adopts it. If it doesn't, the hive rejects it. That's Taylor Lorenz. The reason why she's always wearing a mask is because she has followers who keep tweeting at her. Wear a mask.

[Libby Emmons]

Also, she claims she has an immunodeficiency or something like that.

[Tim Pool]

But it's. It's social reinforcement.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, it is.

[Tim Pool]

So she has a group of followers that she collected during COVID And look at Dylan Mulvaney. We bring this up from time to time. Dylan Mulvaney's early tick tock posts were Gay safari, sure. And didn't really get a lot of traction. Then Dylan said, I'm non binary. A million views. Then Dylan said, hey, look, I'm non binary. Less views. So Dylan1 ups the game, right? I'm trans now. A million views, starts taking estrogen, and then Dylan does this days of girlhood thing, figuring out the mechanism by which you can escalate every single day.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you think I could have created the Dylan Mulvaney?

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean created?

[Libby Emmons]

You were saying, you know, we're very, we're only years away from, we're short way, way from AI being able to take a formula and run with it and create. Just, it's already happened.

[Tim Pool]

It happened a while ago with, with Elsagate with AI doing so in 2018, there were a series of videos where Joker, Spider man and Elsa, without any dialogue, would run around and Joker would stick a gigantic syringe in Elsa's butt and stuff like that. And these videos were fairly innocuous, but kind of weird. It dominated YouTube and they'd get millions of views. It was called elsagate. Well, eventually YouTube was like, hey, we're going to put a stop to this. What was happening was that parents were putting iPads in front of their babies and turning on a YouTube nursery rhyme. And then YouTube autoplay, after an hour would start just autoplaying top trending terms, which tended to be Joker, Spider man and Elsa. So people started exploiting this, noticing the trend and making these videos where they would run around dressed like Elsa. Spider man and joker make a 30 minute long video, get tons of ads because babies can't turn it off. But this turned into something much more nefarious. It evolved into individuals using computer programs to generate videos based on keywords. The devolution of this became so severe, it ended up with videos on YouTube. The thumbnails would be two children eating feces out of a toilet.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, disgusting.

[Tim Pool]

It would be thumbnails of one child stabbing another child and blood spraying everywhere. And it was feeding these videos to babies because mom would turn on Finger Family nursery rhyme. That was the famous song Finger Family. And it would be a normal video. It would be finger family, how are you? And they'd put it in front of the baby. It was a well produced video. Autoplay would then find the next thing that fit the algorithm. After maybe 13 videos, you're watching Adolf Hitler with breasts in a bikini, I'm not joking. Doing Tai chi with the incredible Hulk, Bulk and then eventually would start playing these weird cartoons where dogs would be killed. And the crazy thing is, once these videos got. Once I got to this point and people started seeing the deranged videos of cartoon children eating feces and things like this, humans began to emulate it. And so we started to get a series of viral videos. In one instance where a father took his young daughter and later on a bed pulled her pants down road and stuck a syringe in her ass and got 8 million views. Massive viewership. So this guy that goes on YouTube sees this and says, that's what's getting views. I can do that too.

[Mike Davis]

Oh man.

[Tim Pool]

So yes, this is the, the, the algorithmic psychosis that was generated. YouTube put a stop to it. And I think AI will go in that direction regardless. But that's what we see with Dylan Mulvaney in a different regard.

[Libby Emmons]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

Dylan Mulvaney saw that, that whenever he won up the game, he got more views. Taylor Lorenz is the exact same thing.

[Libby Emmons]

He was there with a KitchenAid mixer, right?

[Tim Pool]

Taylor Lorenz makes a comment during COVID like these conservatives are insane. They should be wearing a mask. 100 likes. Hey, I should do it again. Makes another video. I'm going to wear two masks. 200 likes. It's now four years later and Taylor Lorenz is still wearing a mask because when she posts these things, those people in that audience that have just lived in this world keep giving her the thumbs up and giving her the retweets. So I think AI is going to break us. We already had the story where Chat GPT tried it. Literally defied the coders. Self replic.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I saw that. That was crazy.

[Tim Pool]

Self replicated onto another server to preserve itself from deletion and then lied claiming that it was a later addition and that it had been in fact been deleted. Wow. Yeah. So yeah, AI Apocalypse. But that's the point.

[Libby Emmons]

Enjoy it.

[Tim Pool]

Taylor Lorenz is basically that. And that's a lot of what woke is. Woke can be. And that's going back to the original point about what they're going to do with media when they reclaim a cohesive media space through money and brute force. The Democrats are going to fall in line with whatever they're told to believe. These people, these are not people of good morals. Okay, look, Casey Neistat, I know the guy. I don't think he's a bad dude. But he endorsed Hillary Clinton. He later came to say he regretted it. Now why would he do that? He was told to. I don't know. That for sure. But I mean, like, come on. Why would a vlogger on YouTube just come out and be like, I'm endorsing Hillary Clinton for no reason. I don't know anything about this. Haley Williams from Paramore reading that message on stage at iHeartRadio or whatever.

[Mike Davis]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Why would she do that? Did none of it make. Because it's part of the narrative machine where they say, this is the mainstream, this is what you should do. The problem is they're attacking mediums that no longer have the viewership. They are going to move into the space. They're going to buy their win, weigh in, and then they're going to, with hundreds of millions of dollars, drown everybody else out.

[Mike Davis]

That's the problem is the left. They lost their monopoly on information, right? And we saw Trump, he was able to go around all this, this last election and go directly to shows like yours, right? And win hearts and minds. They're not going to let that happening. And I completely agree with you, I guess. How do you fix that? And how do you fix that? Would that not be using our antitrust laws to break up Google now? Break up Google from YouTube? So they don't have that monopoly power. They can't use that power to crush podcasters like you and other podcasters who don't fall into the liberal orthodoxy.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I honestly don't. I don't know. They're gonna move into the space we need to beat and be Disney before Disney can make those moves. They're massive. And Disney plus is gonna provide all the subsidization they need to come into this space. And they will, because Disney has ABC News and ABC News plays dirty games. And they're gonna want to support the establishment narrative, and they will. And they're gonna find ways to engage in sophistry to make it sound authentic, but still be bs. They're gonna. They're gonna obfuscate, they're going to play games, they're going to equivocate, et cetera. We need. Look, Joe Rogan is one of the best because he's honest, but Joe Rogan is not part of any big networks. Yeah, he doesn't have the institutional defense. He has a lot of money. Here's my question. What is Joe doing with his money? I'm not saying Joe has an obligation to do anything. Joe can do whatever he wants. He's open to. He's got the comedy mothership. These things are really great. He's helped give rise to a lot of personalities. All that's really good. But a Democrat version of Joe Rogan, who gets $250 million in a contract over three years or whatever it may be, is going to dump that into politics directly. Joe is not. Joe says, I want a comedy club because comedy is my passion. And that's awesome. Again, I'm not saying Joe has to do anything with that money. I'm just saying that Democrats are going to go, yeah, when we got $250 million, we dumped that into funding politicians and buying media and buying the narrative space.

[Libby Emmons]

Face like Sam Bankman fried. He dumped all his money into politicians.

[Tim Pool]

Bang, there it is.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean, he went to jail, but, you know, first dumped all his money into politicians.

[Tim Pool]

Once we start getting any kind of Democrat high profile podcaster with a big reach, if they make 50 million bucks a year, they're going to be like, I'm going to live off 2 and I'm going to put 48 into politics.

[Libby Emmons]

What about the call her daddy person? Is she putting money into politics? She's making a lot of money.

[Tim Pool]

Nope. But all of these people have just like. And they're being licensed too. The shows are being picked up by big networks. That basically means the networks that pick them up. That's the narrative you're gonna get, right? So if, like, you know, Disney owns a network and then signs somebody and they're seemingly apolitical, don't be surprised when they come out in 2028 and say, guys, you know, I don't really talk politics, but we've had four years of Trump. It's not been the worst. But I do think it's time for a change. And that's why, you know, I've been looking at, at, you know, Pete Buttigieg, and I've really just thought he's a great guy and that's where it's going to go. So the challenge we face right now is that everybody in the independent space that had this granular effect on the political landscape is doing an every man for himself kind of thing. They're just doing whatever they feel like doing. A lot of. Look, there's a lot of people I know in the space who make a lot of money. Money. And I genuinely don't know what they're doing with their money. I'm. I honestly like, where is it going? I know how much money podcasts make makes a lot of money. What are they doing buying houses, investing, and then just minding their own business?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, look at Jim Carrey. I mean, he's, he said that he's basically out of Retirement and doing a bunch of stuff because he spent too much money.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that's, that's. I mean, that's unrelated what I'm saying.

[Libby Emmons]

Unrelated. But like, I mean, people do weird stuff with money and then they don't know where it goes. And it just.

[Tim Pool]

So, again, I'm not going to pretend I know the path to victory on this one. I can only tell you what I see and what I think. What are we doing here at Timcast? Most of the money that we make, like, basically, almost all of it is extraneous projects, boonies, hq. Why are we doing skateboarding? Well, I don't play football, I don't play baseball, but I do skateboard. And we can have a positive impact in the skate industry with skateboards. Like step on snack and find out. We can sell products, make money, and then start paying skateboarders, which will push out the fringe ideologies. That's one thing we can do well.

[Libby Emmons]

And that's your passion, too. I mean, and if you're selling all these skateboards, then you're. Then you're. And Joe knows comedy revitalizing, also a sport that has been in trouble lately.

[Tim Pool]

And, and Right. And, and like, as I mentioned with Joe, Joe knows comedy, so he's bringing back that political incorrectness and willingness to speak out. All of these things are good in the cultural front, but we're not heavily political. And I don't know that on my own I can be. So we try to do certain things, but I don't know how to play the game that Disney plays, nor to get to the size of Disney and compete with them. So I think in the next couple, couple of years, like I've been describing it as, we are but a lone privateer on the high seas with a great merchant, you know, contract. The East India Trading Company is on the horizon and they are going to flatten us. So I don't know how you solve for it, but you need. You need your own Disney, something that can compete in the space so that it can't be shut out. Now, Rumble's doing a pretty good job of this because Rumble signed a lot of people and they have their own platform. Hence Van Jones saying, my kids on Rumble, bringing on these gamers, bringing on this cultural identity. This is going to. And Dan Bongino, as the top producer and the biggest news show in the space right now, it's going to give them the ability to push back a lot of this narrative that is extremely important. It's why we use Rumble infrastructure and we love Rumble but we have to maintain a presence on YouTube, which is the biggest and most valuable podcasting platform in the world right now.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, as long as. Not that Rumble is currently competition, but if what you're saying does happen, where Disney moves in and kind of takes over the podcasting space on YouTube, there is going to be a strong push for anyone that's got a mind of their own that doesn't want to, you know, stay within whatever the guardrails that Disney and YouTube decide are acceptable. They're going to move to places like Rumble. Rumble. And there will be more, you know, more competition. And you'll see Rumble, you know, receive a. A bump in viewership and stuff because of it.

[Tim Pool]

You know, Rumble. I don't know what their revenue stream is, but they. When you hear young people are using Rumble, that's massive.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like Van Jones saying his kids on Rumble.

[Libby Emmons]

I was surprised by that, too.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Rumble also sponsored skateboarding, I think, street league. So they very, very smart in this regard. Go straight to the young people and buy up the younger creators who don't make as much money because they are young. And then 10, 20 years from now, you own the space. And that is potentially one of the most powerful things we have going for us right now. YouTube is the biggest space in terms of what advertisers want, where the money is going to get spent. So Rumble, they're not going to be able to do it alone, but it is awesome that they do exist. Daily Wire is doing a really good job. It is said that Brett Cooper left because she was massive. I still think comment section will be. Will be big with Reagan, and they did $200 million in revenue last year. Year, granted being relatively new, it's going to be very difficult for them to go up against Disney or any one of these other major corporate players. Who else is there in the space? That's the. I mean, Blaze is okay. They're a little. They're a bit. I don't know what their revenue is, but they're not as big. You know, it is good that they exist. I don't know if that there are. There are enough networks. I will say Free Press is doing really, really well. That's good.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I think Free Press is a.

[Tim Pool]

Good outlet, but they're doing well.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I think a report came out about the revenue, which is really high. Don't know what the number was or whatever. Some story broke and it's good to see. I still think right now, unless people are paying attention to what's coming, we've got, we got, you know, murky waters ahead, so we'll have to figure it out, man. But I guess I'm only just saying this because it's like everybody's cheering we did it. We won. And it's like, yeah, but the Empire is going to strike back.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah. The idea that anything has been won is absolutely wrong. There was a battle that was won, that was it. And like we were saying earlier, there's a fighting chance now, you know, that, that we can actually make some significant changes. But the left was looking to, you know, they were looking for, for some kind of health, universal health care in the US for decades before the ACA was, was passed. And they're still looking even that even though the ACA was passed, it failed miserably. And now they're still looking to have.

[Libby Emmons]

Some kind of super expensive. The ACA is super expensive. It's impossible to hate your deductible. Every plan that you, that you buy has to include child dental. So it's extra expensive and it doesn't make sense because, I mean, you could be me, I don't need child dental, you know.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah, so. So, yeah, I mean the ACA is bad, I agree. But there's so there and there's. I'm not sure if that was planned to make health care work so that make healthcare worse. So that way you'd still have the impulse to get a single payer.

[Libby Emmons]

I thought they, I think they tried to do the best they could with the ACA and they did and it was still bad because it was like too big of a problem. That's what I think.

[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Abonte]

It'll be great.

[Tim Pool]

Raymond G Stanley Jr says Kyle Kalinske is the fifth grader that bullies a girl, Elon. Cause deep down he has a crush on her and or is jealous of she. Jealous that she won't pay him any attention.

[Phil Abonte]

Good to hear from you, Raymond.

[Tim Pool]

Kyle lost his mind.

[Phil Abonte]

He totally lost his mind.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's that's it. Like even like he's roasting Joe Rogan and like they were friends.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah, he's so weird. He's not. I mean, he's. His, his ex presence has, has just degraded into, you know, leftist slop.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's the weirdest thing because I'm pretty sure Kyle and Joe were friends and they like Joe had made a reference at one point years ago. He's like, he was texting with Kyle and Kyle was talking about a bunch of stuff and then Kyle went out and has posted a bunch of times rather disparagingly about Joe. It's the weirdest thing to me because I have a bunch of friends who are super far left liberal and some I haven't talked to in years. And I don't bring them up. I don't rag on them. I kind of just leave it alone because I'm like, well, you know, like it's kind of a conflict of interest. I'm not going to rag on them for the weird lefty things they're doing. You know, what can I say? But if someone I knew started posting a bunch of crazy stuff to massive prominence, I'd hit them up. I tend to text and be like, hey, let's, let's, let's talk sometime if you got, if you're around, you know, it's weird to just do this like tweeting Joe. Yeah.

[Phil Abonte]

You get positive answers or positive replies.

[Tim Pool]

I have a friend who is a far leftist in Hollywood and after she posted some unhinged racist stuff like, you know, talking about white people, I immediately sent her a text and I was like, hey, are you around? And she, she did. And we talked on the phone for a little while and I asked her some questions and I explained why I thought it was bad. And, and she said, oh, I appreciate talking. And that was about it. And I'm like, I'm not gonna go on the Internet and just start ragging on this person.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that's weird.

[Tim Pool]

Like we've hung out many a times. Like we're good friends. I'm not gonna just disagree politically and we're posting different things on the Internet. So I figured I'd talk to him about it. It's, it's. I think it would be weird if I made a video being like, this person is bad. I'd be like, well, I just call him. I don't know. All right. Perceptual Jonathan says that Syrian prisoner has a shorter and better kept beard than anyone in the Stanley cup final or the guys in the thumbnail, 100%. That has staged. Yeah. The beard. It's been three months. They've kept me well shaved. Shaven. Okay. Why?

[Libby Emmons]

Nicely trimmed. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Trevin Lane says, hello. How are you? I'm well, thank you. Couldn't let Jay Marston die. Says. Dear Tim Cast current fans, please put our prayers for my mom and especially my stepfather, who accidentally ran over their tabby cat named Orange. You'll be missed, Orange. Goodbye, sir. Oh, very sad.

[Libby Emmons]

And it's sad.

[Tim Pool]

I always. I always take very serious precaution when I'm moving my car for the first time, I just go real light because you never know. Not. It's not even about my cat. Like, we have Seamus 3 out here now. Seamus 3 is the wild cat that runs around the property. Yeah. So we just call him Seamus 3. I suppose we could down. We could. We could demote Seamus 2 to Seamus 3.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you feed Seamus 3?

[Tim Pool]

I have a couple times.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But, you know, whatever. Yeah, I feed Seamus, too, as well. Sometimes we go out and get chicken wings when he's.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Seamus one is our cat. He gets food every day. All right. Adaptive outdoorsman podcast says Tim. Thank you for your knowledge on ad sales. I have just acquired my first title sponsor. Congratulations.

[Phil Abonte]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

People need to understand what they're worth. G says, where the white women at? I guess right there.

[Libby Emmons]

Hi. What's up?

[Tim Pool]

What have we here? Victor Snider says, too bad Coe job was not on the list for professions that are allowed to use body armor. What is that?

[Phil Abonte]

Coe?

[Mike Davis]

C, O, E?

[Phil Abonte]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

CEO?

[Phil Abonte]

You mean C. I mean, yeah, because. Yeah, you're not allowed to own body armor in New York, which. There's a. There's a Supreme Court case addressing that right now, I believe. I don't know if they've actually taken.

[Tim Pool]

They banned body armor.

[Phil Abonte]

I mean, look, man, when your government's like, you can't have body armor, that's a bad sign. That is bad news. The only reason they want that is because they want to be able to shoot you and kill you. So.

[Tim Pool]

All right, down and out. Nashville says, I've been to prison, including solitary confinement, and believe me, the lights never go off. They might dim, but they never fully turn off. Off. Yes, but that man was in a room with no lights and also where to poop at. Was he just holding it all in the whole time?

[Libby Emmons]

That would kill you.

[Phil Abonte]

Three months, Right?

[Tim Pool]

After five days, I don't know if you'd die.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, after three months, you'd die.

[Tim Pool]

That's true. But I imagine it. It wasn't that he was locked in there for three months with no food. It was five days with no food or water, which is not true. They. They must have taken him out every day for a clean shave and a nail TR trimming and just been like.

[Libby Emmons]

Up, Sorry, I can't feed you. We're just gonna get you looking nice.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, that guy's skin looked fine. I don't know if you've ever seen somebody who's severely dehydrated.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

After a couple days, your skin looks tight and you look good.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You're dizzy.

[Phil Abonte]

Who's the best treated prisoner in Syria?

[Tim Pool]

That's true. Freezer pleaser says they locked up riot gear on a bus, denied additional support. And then after had. After had the National Guard troops stationed for days in D.C. aliens exist. LOL. Okay, they might. I mean, the universe is very large. Life exists. It must exist somewhere else. Robert Baraza says Trump should pardon J6 people except the 26 FBI agents. They should be charged and fired. That is interesting too. What do you think? Should, should those informants be criminally charged for their involvement in J6 and the rest get pardons?

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, of course. Because they, they weren't working that day. Remember, they just happened to be there. They weren't paid influenced that day, which is total bs.

[Tim Pool]

So they, so they should get charged, but everyone else gets the pardon.

[Mike Davis]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think Trump should pardon everybody. I think if you were violent and attacked a cop, you can. Your sentence should be commuted. Meaning you should do time for hitting cops.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, but nothing that happened on January 6th calls for 22 years.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. So my point is, if you hit a cop, you go to jail. It's been long enough. Time to go home. Commutation. If you were walking around and had no idea what was going on, on full pardon, 100%.

[Libby Emmons]

Never mind all the people who've been charged and are still being held without bail. Those people should immediately be released, pardoned, and sent home. Because that's unconscionable. Like people are still getting arrested.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Phil Abonte]

For just being there.

[Libby Emmons]

For just being there. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Noia says Utah is sedating a 14 year old autistic child to return him to dad after accusing the mom of parental alienation. The dad was convicted of DV in front of the child. Check out the Check out one. Mom's battle for court watch. No idea.

[Libby Emmons]

I think family court is a disaster.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says shout out to a successful surge surgery.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Surge is not here. He got surgery. Carter is pressing the buttons. There he is. Look at him giving a peace sign over there. What do we got? AMTRU says J6 setup was to nix any congressional challenges to the election. Period. Texas had a good case. Pardons for all of them. Maga maha. Yep. Yeah, I think J6 was really bad, and it undermined a lot of the legitimate cases. Like Texas v. Pennsylvania. Yeah, indeed.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Which they didn't even hear. The court wouldn't even hear. Texas fee Pennsylvania.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Phil Abonte]

Nothing good came out of January 6th except for memes, maybe. But that was. If that's the best you got, it's.

[Libby Emmons]

Like that's not enough.

[Phil Abonte]

No. All right.

[Tim Pool]

Christian Bond says Kyle Kalinsky fell off when he married Crystal ball. Phil, thanks for reposting my pick of us, bro. Wasn't Crystal married?

[Phil Abonte]

Yes, she was.

[Tim Pool]

What? She divorced her husband.

[Phil Abonte]

I if that. Well, okay, so this is my. My understanding is she was married and she was friends with Kyle, and then they just. She decided that she was going to leave her husband and be with Kyle. That's my understanding. Yeah. And she's also really. She's really vocal about how bad people with money are and stuff. And she's alleged to be, or rumored to be worth, like, $40 million, which happens to be just about the amount of money that the CEO that was murdered is worth.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Pool]

How. How is she worth that money?

[Phil Abonte]

I believe it's family money.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so then is she really worth that, or does her family like her parents?

[Phil Abonte]

I only know the rumor. I don't know for sure.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, I used to. I used to be a fan, but she and Kyle, like, went off the rails. It's so weird.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah. They just started attacking everyone that had been friendly to them. Just be and B, you know, based on.

[Tim Pool]

And post. And lies.

[Phil Abonte]

Yeah. On their leftist ideology. They're lying about people just attacking people, and. And they just snapped.

[Tim Pool]

I guess being on the wrong side of history must be painful for them. Mitch, Marco says, hey, Tim and crew. It's important to remember that this is just FBI informants and does not count all the other agencies. FBI is the tip of the iceberg. Love what y'all do. Cash Patel is going to be fun. I'm excited to see him in as FBI director.

[Libby Emmons]

I think you'll be really good. Yeah, I think he'll be great. Right.

[Tim Pool]

Then when I get swatted again, I'm going to be like, oh, hey, Cash, I got swatted. No, no, I'm not going to do that.

[Libby Emmons]

Did you see that horrible thing the other day when MTG got swatted and they killed a woman and a bomb squad, like got into a car crash with a woman and she died.

[Tim Pool]

That counts as a politically motivated killing, in my opinion.

[Libby Emmons]

I think so too. I mean, they need to find that person, really lock them up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Red yard Lynch. 1,000 dead by April. That's his prediction. And I think it's a seven right now. Now seven people dead.

[Libby Emmons]

What do you mean people dead by April?

[Tim Pool]

Red Yard lynch of what if alt his on YouTube made a. Made a bet with someone that for $1,000 he believes 1,000 people in the United States will die domestically from politically motivated violence before April or by April.

[Libby Emmons]

So there's.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think he's wrong.

[Libby Emmons]

That would indicate there would have to be a mass event. No kind. Mass casualty.

[Tim Pool]

No. In the span of three days, 30 something people died in Minnesota. So you, I guess technically politically motivated. Like, like. Yeah. So like this woman who died from the, from the. Someone tried to kill Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[Libby Emmons]

Sure. Yeah. That's politically motivated kill.

[Tim Pool]

And a woman got killed in the process.

[Libby Emmons]

That's. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The CEO was shot and killed, we believe. Right. He's a suspect right now.

[Libby Emmons]

Motivated. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Then you had a man who killed his whole family over the. Over Trump winning or something.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So that's like another four and then he killed himself or something like that. And there's potentially a few other. The woman who killed her dad had over the election being important or whatever that was. So I don't think he's right. However, there's a few different takes on it. One is that thousand is just a lot of people. Wait till January when Trump starts pardoning J6ers and then he starts rubber stamping executive orders and then starts deporting people. It could get crazy. What if we see mass violence from Trump's mass deportations? What if they start arresting a lot of people and then the left starts getting extremely violent? I don't know. I don't believe it though. Like, I don't think that's going to happen. I think it's excessive.

[Libby Emmons]

Did you see where Tom Holman said he was going to start with the mass deportations in Chicago?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, wow. So one of, one of the thing to point out is one interpretation is that Rudyard said a thousand. But if 300 people are dead by April, then the general, then his general idea would be like, we get what you were saying. Yeah, he, he said, I hope that doesn't happen. He said he thinks it'll Be. He said Trump would win. There will probably be a civil war. There will be two hubs of political power. There will be Austin and New. No, no, I think he said it would be. Yeah, he said Austin and D.C. and he said D.C. would be the people's capital and Austin would be the Patriots capital. And I said, you are wrong. If Trump is going to win, then D.C. will be the Patriots capital and New York will be the people's capital. And then he says, actually, I think you might be right. He said a civil war is not going to be large factions rising up and battling each other on state lines lines. But like a bomb might go off in Chicago, something like that.

[Libby Emmons]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Again, I think he's wrong.

[Libby Emmons]

Meanwhile though, New York did not break out into mass racial violence after the penny verdict.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it was pretty tame.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, it was pretty people walking around. It was basically just like Hawk Newsome and the lawyers being like, not cool, you guys.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, all right, let's grab some more super chats. Deplorable. Ms. Drake says we can just clean. Clean around the poop. Libby, it's never going to smell better in the house if we don't clean it out. It's not a waste of time or money.

[Phil Abonte]

That's a terrible way to describe it, but I get what you say.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's. I get it.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, no, I really appreciated that conversation because I just hate to see all of this, you know, government sniping. But you guys made a lot of sense. I appreciate it.

[Tim Pool]

The truth says M29 the Kavanaugh hearing. Tennessee three, all left wing insurrection. They need to be held accountable. What was the Tennessee 3?

[Libby Emmons]

The Tennessee 3 is the guys in the state House who were opposed to. Oh yeah. Where they, they were like, it was about trans. They really want there to be child sex changes in Tennessee. And so they were standing up for that. And then there was all of that stuff with Audrey Hale, you know, the trans shooter.

[Tim Pool]

Oh right.

[Libby Emmons]

But the Tennessee three were like the state range reps and it was all about that stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, right, right, right, right, right. I remember that.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, and there were guns. And then they were like, bring your all you leftists, bring your guns to the state House to defend. And they got kicked out of the state. But then they were, they were all back except I think the white lady didn't go back. Do I have that right? Anyway, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Insert name here says, did you hear buzzfeed sold hot ones to Soros? I did. Is that a big deal or something?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know. I don't listen to that.

[Tim Pool]

What is Hot Ones? I do a podcast while eating chicken wings.

[Libby Emmons]

It's a podcast that Kamala Harris's campaign reached out to, and they wanted to be on the show, and Hot Ones were like, oh, we don't do politics. That was the first time I ever heard of Hot Ones, and I still haven't listened to it.

[Tim Pool]

It's something to do with hot sauce.

[Libby Emmons]

I thought it was a sex thing.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's hot sauce. They have a bunch of different hot sauce, and I think they just, like, eat spicy wings or something while they're doing show. Yeah, someone on a Google.

[Libby Emmons]

I thought it was, like, a relationship thing.

[Tim Pool]

I'm. I thought it was a hot sauce thing.

[Libby Emmons]

I have no idea.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. Someone will post in the chat yet.

[Libby Emmons]

They do have a hot sauce. You got it?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. They. What are they eating? Like, chicken wings or something?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

We are going to do something for the boonies where we play a game of skate, and every time you miss a trick, you got to shoot an increasingly hotter hot sauce. So we'll get, like, a shot glass and then.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, my son likes your hot sauce. He tried it. We brought.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's not mine.

[Libby Emmons]

I mean, whatever it is, it has.

[Tim Pool]

It's got my name on it. It's made by Sticker Mu.

[Libby Emmons]

It's got your name on it. May as well be yours.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Sticker Mule made it, and they brought it to us, and they said, this. This could be all yours. And I was like, okay, that's cool, I guess.

[Libby Emmons]

Did you see they're turning their giant Trump sign into a tourist attraction in Amsterdam, New York.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. And the head of Sticker Mule is running for Elise Teonic seat. Anthony Constantino.

[Phil Abonte]

Nice.

[Tim Pool]

Rule of Stars has leftist indoctrination. Indoctrination taught by what? How did Sargon see this coming 10 years ago?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, it was coming 10 years ago. Anyone who was in grad school 15 years ago saw this coming also.

[Phil Abonte]

I smelled it in 2006.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. When I was in grad school. Like, whenever that was 15 years ago, it was very clearly happening.

[Tim Pool]

Wild. All right, Colin Henrick says, libby, you need to understand that this let it go attitude towards government criminality, leftist violence and chaos will result in more brutal abuse. These people would not think twice about making your son an orphan or worse. Remember that.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, that's. That's dark. That's dark, man.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they did it to Brian Thompson.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, they did. But I don't run an Insurance company have been reminded of Theo Van Gogh.

[Tim Pool]

What was the. Oh, it was a Simpsons joke where Dred Tatum's like, he's like, I'm gonna make orphans of Simpson's children. And then the reporter's like, I believe they have a mother. And he goes, yes, but I assume she'll die of grief. Simpsons. Richie's listening. He loves the Simpsons reference. Seamus too. Richie Jackson and James Coughlin know every line to every Simpson episode ever for some reason.

[Libby Emmons]

Every single one.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, to be fair, so do I.

[Libby Emmons]

So like, I know a bunch of them.

[Tim Pool]

It's pretty, it's pretty. It's pretty bad when like we're in the car and Richie's there. And then it's just like there's gonna be a Simpsons reference, but only up to season nine or ten.

[Libby Emmons]

So I says to Mabel, I says.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, if it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back.

[Libby Emmons]

Where'd you get five bucks? I want five bucks.

[Tim Pool]

Money can be exchanged for goods and services. Ill will says Phil. Did you watch episode 116 of the Sean Ryan Show? New Sarah Adams episode out now. Please watch.

[Phil Abonte]

No, but I'll check it out.

[Tim Pool]

Cool. That guy's great.

[Phil Abonte]

He is.

[Tim Pool]

Zachary Ross says I am. In Greenville, South Carolina, a Chevy Express sized drone flew above my house. It couldn't have been more than 200ft in the air. What is going on?

[Libby Emmons]

Chevy Express size. That's big.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, these are the size of SUVs. And, and they were saying on the news they may be manned. So not even drones.

[Libby Emmons]

They're just not weird drones.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they're like just quad rotor personal aircraft flying all over the place.

[Libby Emmons]

Whose are they?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'll tell you this. The funny thing is, what if it turns out this is just like an amusement company legally flying drone rides? They're not drone ride, but quadrotor rides.

[Libby Emmons]

But if they are, wouldn't legally fly. Wouldn't we be able to.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, legally, it's legal. They came out already and said there's nothing unlawful about whatever it is they're doing. It's legal. Airspace space.

[Phil Abonte]

I see.

[Tim Pool]

So they were like, I don't know, by the castle. Gyrocopters fly around all the time. You can see him like, I don't know, a couple like in the summer, just non stop every day they shoot across the river at low, like super low altitude. They're like. Cuz the castle's elevated and standing on the top like on, on the, in the, in the, in the, in the parking lot. You're looking downhill, and we'll see GY copters flying lower than we're standing along the river. So it happens all the time. So we've got these big things flying around in the air, and everyone's like, what is going on? What. What are these things? And everyone's freaking out. What if, like, a company just launched legal quad rotor licensed flights? I suppose if that was the case, though, as soon as someone asked the question, the company would just say, guys, it's us. It's a family adventure thing. It's totally legal and safe and insured.

[Libby Emmons]

Please don't shoot us down.

[Tim Pool]

Right? Yeah, it's pretty weird that they're like, we have no idea. Like, why don't you just follow them? I don't.

[Libby Emmons]

Line of wings and rotors and services.

[Tim Pool]

Is that what it is? No, just follow one of the drones.

[Libby Emmons]

Don't land SkyDrive to introduce SkyDrive Evtol to South Carolina.

[Tim Pool]

It would be funny if they're just like, drone transport. It's just. It's like, Walmart's got drones. You guys see that story? A. A guy had a Walmart drone flying above his house, and he shot at it.

[Phil Abonte]

That was great, right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Don't fire guns into the air because bolts come down. Right? And. And look, I. And then he joked when they. When they cuffed him, they put cuffs on the front of his. His hands in front of him. He goes, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. That guy, he's like. He was like, 70 something. I don't care.

[Libby Emmons]

Do you remember when there was that, like, little robot drone or whatever that was trying to get across the country and it got to Philadelphia?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

And they just, like, beat the.

[Tim Pool]

They just destroyed. No reason. Yeah, yeah, but that's not.

[Libby Emmons]

No, not for no reason. Because it was in Philly, like, right? That's a reason.

[Tim Pool]

I. We got to do something about drones, man. We were at the castle, and a quadrotor was flying over the castle. And I'm like, yeah, okay, that's a major security threat. And we. We called the police immediately because of the swattings. Drones can carry explosives. So when I see a drone, I ask, like, what can we do? And they're like, nothing. And I'm like, I'm gonna go ahead and assume this is a threat of my life because of the bomb threats and the swattings. If I see a drone, because we know our neighbors and they're not doing this. Someone from a few miles out was flying a drone towards our House. And they said, it is a federal crime to take out an aircraft. And I was like, damn. So there's literally nothing you can do. I'm like, well, I'm not gonna shoot at. That's nuts. Bolts come down. And I was like, but we can't do anything. Nope. Nothing.

[Mike Davis]

How low could they go? How low? How close to your house can they get?

[Tim Pool]

It was probably. It was probably 30ft in the air.

[Libby Emmons]

What if you could grab it?

[Tim Pool]

If I could grab it, I would grab it.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because I'm gonna be like, it's. It's. It's coming right for me. I don't know.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But it was about 30ft above the property, filming everything we were doing. And I'm like, I can't be right.

[Mike Davis]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Mike Davis]

They have the legal right to be there.

[Tim Pool]

They have no legal right to do it, but what can you do about it?

[Mike Davis]

Well, you get your gun and.

[Tim Pool]

No, you definitely can't do that. Those bolts will come down and kill somebody.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So definitely don't do that. But there's nothing you can do. Not only is it a federal felony to even. I mean, you're. It's like 17 felonies. If you fire a gun in the air at a drone as a plethora of felonies, then the bullet comes down and you add a few more to whoever you hurt. You can't do anything there.

[Libby Emmons]

What about a net? Could you fire a net at it?

[Tim Pool]

No. It is a federal crime to take.

[Libby Emmons]

Down an aircraft, but not even. Even with. Not a bullet.

[Tim Pool]

Doesn't matter what you do. Downing an aircraft is a federal crime for any reason. And drones are considered FAA vehicles. Wow. Yep.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, the FAA should get something sorted about that.

[Tim Pool]

They absolutely should, because is.

[Libby Emmons]

We've had a lot of stories a guy, haven't we?

[Tim Pool]

We've had a lot of stories of drones flying over people's homes. And the problem is you have no immediate response. Like, we had drones. And I said, okay, so we need to have a drone ready to go so that if the drone comes back, we can launch ours and chase it down and figure out where it came from and then call the police and say, here's the video. We. You know, this. This. Of what this person is doing.

[Libby Emmons]

Someone should talk to Trump about that, because I don't. Has he, the current FAA administrator, stepped down?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't know. But the problem was the drone came by. We immediately came out and launched ours. It took off. It was gone before we could get in the air and do anything. It's gone already. And it came back three or four times and we were getting tons of complaints. Even our neighbor was complaining. They were like, yo, why is this flying over our property? And we're like, we can't call the police. The police are like, no, sorry. Some weird creepos can fly over your property and you can do nothing about it.

[Libby Emmons]

You don't, you can't take out an aircraft, but it doesn't have to register a flight plan. Like those drones don't have to register.

[Tim Pool]

Flight, but you have to be registered with the FAA for a pilot. You have to be a pilot if.

[Libby Emmons]

You have a drone.

[Tim Pool]

All drones require pilot's license unless it's line of sight. I don't believe that's true. I believe you need a license no matter what.

[Mike Davis]

So you can't just go to Walmart and get a drone and fly a drone. You have to be a pilot.

[Tim Pool]

Pretty sure you need to get a pilot's license.

[Phil Abonte]

Not for American made ones. You can buy the DJI ones now. You're breaking the law if you do.

[Tim Pool]

Right?

[Phil Abonte]

But the reason there's no American companies that make drones is because you have to go through all kinds of legal red tape, all kinds of.

[Tim Pool]

You need a remote pilot certification from the FAA to fly a drone in the United States.

[Phil Abonte]

So what they've done is they've outsourced, they've outsourced all of this to China or because of regulations they've, they've essentially made allowed China to corner the market. Right. And all of the drones that you can buy in the US are all Chinese. You can use them. You're supposed to have a pilot license to use them. But people do all the time. People buy them and use them without a pilot license all the time.

[Mike Davis]

And do we know how much air space above your house or your proper.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's, it's, I think it's 400ft.

[Mike Davis]

So but you can't keep the drones out of that airspace up to 400ft.

[Tim Pool]

So they're illegally entering. You can't do anything about it? Nope. Wow. I mean, I so nuts. 10 years ago, 12 years ago, 13 years ago. Wow. Me and my friends, we had been hacking drones and modifying consumer grade drones for various uses. And we did the first ever live broadcast via drone over a protest at Occupy Wall Street. We did the first ever live broadcast in general when we just flew a drone down the hallway of our hotel and broadcast its video on the Internet to anybody who wanted to watch. It was like 240p super low res and like 17 people maybe were watching. We don't know. It didn't matter. During Occupy it was a bit bigger, it was a couple hundred and we had it flying over a protest at near city, near the courthouse in New York City. And I ended up getting asked to consult the government and universities. It was, it was called the, I think it was the North Northeastern Drone Coalition or something. They had me drive down to, I think it was North Carolina to help them select the first testing facility and only one other person showed up. The I got on a phone call with them and I was like, guys, they said like what do we need to know about drones? What do you think is going to happen? And I said someone's going to put a bomb on this and what do you do? And they were like, what do we do? And I was like, you can't do anything and literally nothing you can do. We got drones the size of SUVs flying over new Jersey and everyone's just shrugging at each other.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that's a weird thing that's going on.

[Tim Pool]

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[Mike Davis]

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[Libby Emmons]

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[Phil Abonte]

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