FBI RAIDS Democrat Leader, ITS BEGUN w/ Angela McArdle

Summary

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Timcast IRL - May 7, 2026

Episode: "FBI RAIDS Democrat Leader, ITS BEGUN w/ Angela McArdle"

Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Angela McArdle (former chair, National Libertarian Party / Mises Caucus), Elad White (White House correspondent), Carter Banks
Date: May 7, 2026

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the escalating political and legal warfare in the United States, focusing on the recent FBI raid of a top Democratic Virginia state senator’s office, the intensifying "redistricting wars," weaponization of government agencies, the role of the Libertarian Party in the current political landscape, and ideological coalition-building. The conversation explores the state of American politics, the legitimacy of lawfare, the ever-blurring lines between policy and power, and the practical realities—and paradoxes—of cross-ideological alliances.

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Key Discussion Points

1. FBI Raid on Virginia State Senate Leader (02:58, 07:43)

• News: FBI raided Democratic Senator Louise Lucas’s office and cannabis business as part of a years-long corruption probe—reportedly started during the Biden administration.
• Political Framing: Democrats frame the raid as Trumpian political retribution in the redistricting fight, despite origins in a prior administration.
• Tim Pool: "Now famously this is the lady that was going ham saying [on X] ‘let’s nuke the Republican districts’… She also very old but then we have this. How is the left handling it?" (07:43)
• Angela McArdle: "Democrats started this. They went after President Trump in 2016 to try to ruin his life and take out anybody and everybody associated with him… They just totally weaponized the doj." (09:38)
• Theme: Ongoing tit-for-tat escalation, with DOJ investigations swinging back and forth depending on who holds power.

2. Redistricting Wars and Electoral Power (07:43, 22:23)

• Coverage: New congressional maps and redistricting efforts in key states (Tennessee, Indiana, Mississippi, Maryland) are central in these political battles.
• Tim Pool: "There is now likely going to be a redistricting effort in Indiana as well. It's gonna get pretty crazy. People are already protesting..." (02:58)
• Analysis: Redistricting seen as a critical means of gaining and consolidating political power, with both parties using every available tool.
• Tim: "Trump’s advantage is tremendous in this... I don’t see the Republicans losing right now" (21:36)
• Angela: Predicts uncertainty, especially regarding midterms, urging coalition work to secure the Senate. (22:23)

3. Weaponization of Law and Process as Punishment (12:22)

• Elad White: "I feel like we all want to believe that the DOJ isn't being politically weaponized right now, but... the punishment is the process in this case." (12:22)
• DOJ's legal actions—whether for political reasons or not—have become a deterrent for political participation, making process itself punitive.
• Carter & Elad debate whether continued escalation is inevitable or avoidable.

4. The Surge of Political Polarization & Civil Conflict (09:33, 14:32)

• Cycle of Retaliation: Comparing legal offensives and pardons under successive presidents, Tim warns of growing instability.
• Tim Pool: "I think this is going to culminate in shooting. I do not see how this escalation results in anything other than escalation." (11:27)

5. DOJ Priorities and the Fauci Debate (14:40 - 16:34)

• Carter: "But then why isn't Fauci getting charged for perjury...?" (14:40)
• Tim & Angela: Discuss DOJ resource allocation, political priorities, and “red meat” for political bases.

6. Libertarian Party’s Role & Political Strategy (32:03 - 46:26)

• Libertarian Wins: Angela details direct talks with Trump, winning release for Ross Ulbricht, and placing RFK Jr. in the Cabinet.
  • Angela: "We have had for over 50 years, our party at the federal level has had zero wins, nothing... We went from zero to two." (32:21)
• Trump Call: Angela reveals she personally lobbied Trump to free Ulbricht, leading to this major libertarian victory (36:14).
• Coalition Tactics: Angela explains focusing on targeted, winnable issues, such as pardoning crypto entrepreneurs, over unattainable foreign policy goals.

7. Pardons for Crypto Entrepreneurs and Prioritizing Influence (37:08 - 46:10)

• Angela lists "crypto prisoners" (Ian Freeman, Roman Storm, Roman Sterlingov, Keone Rodriguez, William Hill) serving excessive sentences for regulatory gray areas.
• Urges libertarian focus on such issues where real influence is possible.

8. Coalitions, Alliances & Political "Purity" (52:09 - 83:00)

• Heated debate: Over whether to work with far-left/communist groups for anti-war or civil liberties goals.
• Elad White: Fiercely objects, claiming communists must be excluded to prevent normalization of threats to American ideals.
• Tim & Carter: Argue you “win elections by finding votes wherever they are,” advocating pragmatic alliances on single issues.
• Angela: "We're not going to get foreign policy. I know that... but there are so many other things, smaller things more in line with our voting block size that we could get and we should use exercise diplomacy and we should get those things." (46:26)
• War-time alliances analogy: Should the U.S. have allied with Soviet communists in WWII? (53:24)

9. Identity Politics, Immigration, and What Makes "an American" (27:15 - 31:01)

• Extensive dialogue about American identity, impact of illegal immigration, and perceived subversion of the electorate.
• Tim distinguishes between “paperwork Americans” and those who meaningfully subscribe to core American values.

10. Information Integrity & Disinformation in Modern Politics (97:28, 104:03)

• Tim unpacks viral, out-of-context clips circulating online, arguing “everything is fake”—from Nick Fuentes cosplaying as a Democrat to viewership statistics.
• Sam Cedar, Candace Owens, and media personalities allegedly manufacture outrage and narratives for content, notoriety, or monetization.

11. Lasting Impact of Language, Culture, and Framing Reality (120:24 - End)

• The panel closes with a lighter but insightful turn on linguistics—how people structure language, loss of nuance, and learning—and ties it back to the difficulty of communication, persuasion, and coalition-building in such a fragmented society.

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Exchanges

• Angela McArdle: "Democrats started this. They went after President Trump in 2016 to try to ruin his life and take out anybody and everybody associated with him... And they just totally weaponized the doj." (09:38)
• Tim Pool: "I think this is going to culminate in shooting. I do not see how this escalation results in anything other than escalation." (11:27)
• Elad White: "The punishment is the process in this case. I don’t know if they're looking to convict on any of these charges, but just being investigated by the DOJ sucks." (12:22)
• Angela McArdle: On working with unlikely allies: "We're not going to get foreign policy... but there are so many other things, smaller things more in line with our voting block size that we could get and we should use exercise diplomacy and we should get those things." (46:26)
• Carter Banks: "Purism doesn't work in politics." (79:15)
• Tim Pool: "You will not win elections unless you are willing to find votes wherever they can be 100%." (62:29)
• Angela McArdle: "Ideological umbrella is too large, in my opinion, for the Libertarian Party..." (93:45)
• Tim Pool: "Everything is fake." (97:28, again throughout)
• Angela McArdle: "The party elected him. So that’s what makes sense. It all makes sense." (95:36, on LP picking a spoiler candidate when strategically necessary)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• FBI Raid and Political Weaponization: 02:58 – 12:19
• Redistricting Wars / State Political Dynamics: 12:19 – 27:20
• Libertarian Party Influence / Ross Ulbricht Story: 32:03 – 39:36
• Debate over Alliances: Communists and Coalitions: 52:09 – 83:00
• American Identity and Immigration: 27:15 – 31:01
• Discussion on Disinformation and Media Manipulation: 97:28 – 106:55
• Closing Thoughts on Language, Culture, Identity: 120:24 – End

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Tone & Flow

• The episode is energetic, a mix of earnest analysis, heated ideological debate, some humorous side chatter, and a consistent undercurrent of skepticism toward official narratives and mass media.
• Tim Pool serves as both devil’s advocate and provocateur.
• Angela McArdle balances pragmatism with libertarian philosophy; Elad White is staunchly anti-left, sometimes to the point of refusing basic coalition-building; Carter Banks advocates realpolitik and practical alliance-building.
• Discussion is occasionally interrupted by personal anecdotes and lighter banter, particularly toward the end.

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For Listeners New and Old

• This episode is emblematic of the current Timcast IRL approach: fierce independence, skepticism of all entrenched power, and willingness to hold debates about uncomfortable political choices.
• The discussion around coalition-building—both its moral hazards and necessity—is especially relevant for an era where ideological purity collides with political practicality.
• The episode’s through-line: American politics has entered an era of lawfare, shifting alliances, and manufactured narrative warfare where “the punishment is the process” and “everything is fake.”

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Transcript

[Angela McArdle]

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[Tim Pool]

The FBI has raided the office of a prominent Democrat leader in Virginia. This woman was spearheading the redistricting charge. Now, apparently this is related to a corruption probe. Some have said this has to do with her selling pot at her cannabis store or whatever. And of course, the Democrats are framing this entirely. Is Donald Trump going after his political opponents who are leading the redistricting charge? It doesn't matter what your opinion is. Maybe it's legitimate, maybe it's not. I think most of us who, those of you watching this show, as well as I assume there is a real reason they're going after this Democrat leader in Virginia, and notably this pro, began during the Biden administration. But of course, that won't stop men in the left from framing this as though it's political retaliation. Well, my friends, I don't know. Whatever. Doesn't matter. There's a fight. Tennessee, they've introduced their new maps. South Carolina, joining the fray. They're going to introduce their new maps. Mississippi, all the same. Maryland, probably going to happen as well. And with the new. The new primary results, all the people who opposed redistricting in Indiana being gone. Well, most of them, five of seven. There is now likely going to be a redistricting effort in Indiana as well. It's gonna get pretty crazy. People are already protesting and let me just say. Oh, boy. So we'll talk about all that. And then we got a mayoral debate for LA happening tonight. We're not gonna be covering it directly, but I do want to talk to you guys. We're gonna talk a bit about Karen Bass and Spencer Pratt and what is happening in Los Angeles, because just like with New York and Zoran. Mama, Danny, I know that's not his real name. I'm calling that. I'm. I'm calling him that on purpose. They're in trouble. Big, big firms are already ditching the city. He's panicking and begging for money, calling it a historic crisis. Well, maybe your policies are not so good. We'll talk about that and more before we do. My friends, you gotta head over to cast brew.com and pick up the Mother's Day bundle because every mom wants coffee because they have to deal with you. I'm half kidding. Moms love their kids, you know, but sometimes a good cup of coffee really will help you get through, get you through the day. And so you can check out the Mother's Day bundle. You get 20 if it's a great deal. Look at this beautiful Casper dot com. Check it out. We got a ton of awesome blends and flavors and all that good stuff. We got pool water by the aluminum bottle. It's because we really care about real water. But also, don't Forget, go to timcast.com click. Join us to get in the Discord community. There are tens of thousands of people fighting every day, working, hosting shows, debating. It's not what you know, it's who you know. And if you need a network and you do and you want to start a project or help someone on theirs, join our Discord community. Get involved. You are helping make this show possible. So don't just sit there. As you watch the world pass you by, stand up. Join the fray. And one way to do it is to become a [e-mail] directly supporting what we are doing here. And guys, we tied the membership to your involvement. It's not just, hey, give us money and then we'll do the work for you. No, no, no. You give us money, support the show, allow us to run the Discord and then you join in. That's the point. As a member, you can call into this show Monday through Thursday. We do it at 10pm on Rumble. You got to get involved because now more than ever, I just. It's getting crazy. I'll just put it that way. The FBI is now reportedly investigating the leak into the Atlantic that accused Cash Patel of being a drunkard, which I believe is totally fake. He is not. It is Lawfare. We talked about SCOTUS yesterday and how now you've got Alito calling saying that Katanji, Brown, Jackson. Her arguments are trivial and an insult to the court. It's all going well. I'll keep the language family friendly. It's getting crazy out there. So join us. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone in your life. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Angela McArdle.

[Angela McArdle]

Hey there. Thanks for having me back.

[Tim Pool]

Anytime. Who are you? What do you do?

[Angela McArdle]

My name is Angela McArdle. I'm the chair of the Libertarian Mises Caucus, former chair of the National Libertarian Party.

[Tim Pool]

We're all right on. Thanks for. We have a lot to talk about with you.

[Angela McArdle]

So much, so much.

[Elad White]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So it'll be. It's great to have you. Of course. The boys are hanging out.

[Carter Banks]

Don't forget to. What up?

[Tim Pool]

I just seized the moment. What did you put on your guitar pick.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, it is. Carter figured out upside down guitar pick looks like a teardrop. Kind of like a gang sign. Gang symbol.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Angela McArdle]

Meditation game.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. It kind of forces your forehead to not furrow. You know when people that I want my forehead to be flat to be

[Elad White]

like there's a patch and Botox.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, naturally.

[Tim Pool]

What's a lot's here.

[Elad White]

Good evening everybody. I am a lot. Eliyahu White House correspondent here at Tim Cass. Let's get into the show.

[Tim Pool]

Carter's here.

[Elad White]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

What's up everyone? I'm also here and I need answer.

[Elad White]

Of course.

[Carter Banks]

I'm glad Angela. I'm glad you're here too, man. Let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so let's talk about. Let's get into the news. Here we go from. From ap. Yo. FBI searches Virginia Senate leader's office as part of corruption probe the FBI searched the Virginia state Senate leader's hometown office and her neighboring cannabis shop Wednesday bringing in a public view what was described as a years long corruption investigation. The searches at Democratic Senator Luis Lucas's office and cannabis business are part of what two people familiar with the matter called the corruption inquiry. One of the people said the investigation was open during Joe Biden's administration. Ball spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing criminal investigation. Now famously this is the lady lady that was going ham saying let's nuke the Republican districts. She's posted incessantly on X about it. She also very old but then we have this. How is the left handling it? From the new Republic FBI raid's office of top Democratic leader in in redistricting wars. Their framing of course will not be the Biden initiated investigation into corruption but of course the redistricting wars. Now she is the president pro temp in the Virginia Virginia Senate, one of the most prominent and long standing Democrats in Virginia, the last bastion of the deep state. Whatever you think, I'm just going to say it guys. It's a war, right? Yes. Scotus Alito saying Katanji Brown Jackson's arguments are trivial. Trivial and insulting. The fight is even in the Supreme Court amongst themselves. Not the first time but it certainly is escalating. I don't know where this goes other than geographic hyperpolarization through redistricting. DOJ launching investigations and making arrests of Democrats. Meanwhile, when the Democrats were in power, they did the same to the Republicans and their lawyers. So you tell me what happens in 2028 depending on who wins.

[Angela McArdle]

They started this. They started this.

[Tim Pool]

What did they start?

[Carter Banks]

Who Started what?

[Angela McArdle]

Democrats, not Jews. They. Who was they? Democrats started this. They went after President Trump in 2016 to try to ruin his life and take out anybody and everybody associated with him. And they just totally weaponized the doj. And it's awful, and I hate that this is where politics are at, but at this point, it's a defensive posture. The least we could do is finish an investigation that was started by Joe Biden's administrator.

[Tim Pool]

But, you know, the point is, like, yes, we can see that. But, you know, in 2020, census came in. Texas said, we're gonna redistrict. In 2021, they announced their maps, and then the Biden administration said no and blocked them. When Trump got in, he said, okay, stop. Pulled back on the lawsuit, dropped it, allowing Texas to finally implement their maps, which the Democrats said, hey, what are you doing? It's too late. You can't make new maps like what? Joe Biden stopped them from doing it in the first place. January 7. January 20, 2017, far left extremists riot in Washington, D.C. smashing windows, starting fires, injuring police. It was a raucous insurrection in Washington, D.C. i was there. Well, these people all got arrested. Then when Joe Biden got into office in April, the federal government announced a settlement paying out $1.6 million to these extremists. So when they say things like, Trump pardoned the J6ers, I say, wow, did he give them $1.6 million like Biden did to the insurrection in 2017? Now, I do believe some of the J6ers actually are going to get a settlement for malicious prosecution or things like that. But the point is this. I do not believe the principal motivation for going after this Virginia Democrat really is just that there was a corruption probe during the Biden administration. As we can see, over and over again, it has been an escalation. I look at it like it's a tower swinging back and forth, and every four years, it swings more violently one way. And then the other. Democrats, you know, Donald Trump gets in arrests, antifa. Biden gets in, cuts them all loose, pays him a million bucks. 1.6 J6 just then get arrested. Trump gets in, Parns all the J6ers. You see, I think this is going to culminate in shooting. I. I do not see how this escalation results in anything other than escalation. The Democrats do not believe that this is because she's corrupt. They think Trump is trying to go after anybody who would redistrict. And I don't know that's 100% the case. But if Trump and the GOP operate as though that is not the case, Democrats will crush them.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, you have to.

[Elad White]

It's a fascinating and confusing political environment right now. I feel like we all want to believe that the DOJ isn't being politically weaponized right now, but because there have been so many questionable indictments that have already been dismissed, it's hard to know for sure. So, for example, there was a First Comey indictment that I believe was already dismissed. There was an indictment against Tish James that I believe was also already dismissed. I don't know if the Schiff one but was already dismissed. But I think the punishment is the process in this case. I don't know if they are looking to convict on any of these charges, but just being investigated by the ODOJ sucks. So if that's what they're going for, it's only gonna escalate, obviously, from here. I'd like to hope they have the goods. You don't wanna see the DOJ just indicting political enemies. You hope that they end up bringing something to court that is viable and doesn't just immediately get dismissed. But because otherwise, I mean, I do suspect this only escalating, and I think this is gonna discourage and disincentivize people from getting involved in politics in the future. I mean, of course, what does this mean for people in the president's administration currently? Because if they do lose the House, and when they do eventually get out of office, I'm sure there will be endless investigations into them. So I don't know where they'll leave someone like Stephen Miller after the fact, or Secretary of War Pete Hexseth after the fact, or many of these congressmen or other administration cabinet officials after the fact.

[Carter Banks]

I think. I assume. It seems that people think it's either gonna be escalation in this direction or people are gonna stop this prosecution that's going after Jim Comey, and then we lose. So it's one or the other. It's either lose and don't prosecute. Don't play the political tit for tat, or play the tit for tat. And then it escalates to a civil war, which is also losing. So I don't understand, like, there's gotta be more ways than these two things.

[Elad White]

I understand why the President has a bone to pick. Because he. Unfortunately, the DOJ was weaponized against him consistently, and they brought multiple indictments. And I don't think he was convicted on anything. And they were trying to take him out of the election legally, but they couldn't do so. And then once he was able to get back into the power, he wanted to go on a revenge tour. And you could understand that perspective, but

[Tim Pool]

we would call that an accountability tour.

[Angela McArdle]

Accountability. They have an anti weaponization task force in the DOJ to try to unravel all of the weaponization of the previous administration.

[Carter Banks]

But then why isn't Fauci getting charged for perjury if, like, Rand Paul's been screaming about this day after he got

[Elad White]

that preemptive pardon from Biden didn't.

[Carter Banks]

That's not for lying under oath. That's why Rand Paul is incessantly. He's got, like three more days for the DOJ to press charges against Fauci. And Rand Paul's been on Twitter every day, 20,000 likes, please. Now we have to charge Fauci with lying under oath. Where's that? If they're really going on a revenge, if they're really trying to solve who did wrong in the past, lying under

[Elad White]

oath will open a box of worms. There are a lot of former elected officials, a lot of cabinet officials who lie under.

[Tim Pool]

It's not just that. I think I'll put it like this. A lot of people see Fauci as a figurehead during COVID Trump hired the guy. He didn't hire him, but Trump kept him on. But they view him as a figurehead, and so they say, we want him charged. However, if you're actually looking at the org chart of the deep state, he's nothing. He's over there in the corner. And so you're asking the DOJ to divert its resources from people like this in Virginia who are leading the redistricting fight and corrupt, according to this probe. Assuming the probe's real. But you don't know who she is. The average. The average American knows Fauci, but Fauci ain't doing nothing.

[Angela McArdle]

He's not sure.

[Tim Pool]

Sure. You can call him a liar. Liar into ro. You can call him criminal, whatever you want, but he's over there. This lady's here right now. And that's the challenge. You give the red meat to the base. I'm sure the Democrats would love it. They'd be like, oh, thank God he's going after Foushee instead of someone actually pulling the strings.

[Carter Banks]

I also kind of feel like if someone is directed to lie under oath by the president and they do it, kind of got to blame the president, not the guy that lied.

[Tim Pool]

Nope.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know, man.

[Tim Pool]

It's some point just following orders is not an excuse for committing, then Foushee

[Carter Banks]

should 100% be charged.

[Angela McArdle]

There's limited resources. We don't know what the investigation. It's totally possible that people looked into it and they were like, this is not going to bear fruit, and we're not going to be able to get through this and get a solid conviction.

[Tim Pool]

And, yeah, sure, the perjury convictions are notoriously difficult to get.

[Angela McArdle]

The punishment is absolutely. Or the process is part of the punishment. But it just. Those man hours may be needed more in something like this with Virginia or. And. And I'm sure there's many other cases. People like this just slip through cracks.

[Tim Pool]

You know, with the war and everything that's going on, it's becoming more and more clear that Trump's midterm strategy is political and not popular. Yeah, I don't mean he's not popular. I'm saying instead of targeting the vote, he's targeting the machine.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, it's really disturbing because that was what they were trying to do to him in 2020. They were trying to arrest him so he couldn't run. But if he had, he still.

[Tim Pool]

They did in 2020 to him.

[Carter Banks]

They tried to stop him from running by making him a felon, and they couldn't. And even if they had made him a felon, you might have seen a Julius Caesar moment where it's like, bro, what other choice do I have?

[Tim Pool]

That's where we're at right now.

[Carter Banks]

And so if they push the other side into that Julius Caesar moment, the other side might be like, what other choice do I. So like the lawfare tactic. The numbers don't decide how we live our lives. It's how people are. It's what they say, how they treat each other and what they do. So trying to write some crap in a book and say, now I win is like, bro, that has failed a million times.

[Tim Pool]

Four states unconstitutionally altered the rules of their election totally so that Joe Biden could win.

[Angela McArdle]

And then they tried to sue, other states tried to sue, people tried to sue, and the court shot it down.

[Tim Pool]

Supreme Court said no. Alito and Thomas said, we need to go over this. And the rest of the court said no, because they're cowards. And you know what I think it really comes down to is in 2020, there was a bet made by prominent individuals, notably, like Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, who could have sided with Alito and Thomas, but they would have needed one more Roberts and Gorsuch. And they said which side do we want to be on? And they said, is Trump really capable of breaking the deep state? And they probably said to themselves, I don't think so. Let's not give Trump a win. They'll come after us. I mean, someone tried to kill Kavanaugh.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so they cowardly refused to take up a court.

[Angela McArdle]

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[Tim Pool]

I want you to imagine how insane this is.

[Angela McArdle]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Texas filed a suit against Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, and I can't remember. The other state might have been North Carolina, and maybe not, but it's four states. Arizona, I think. Was it Arizona? I mean, you may be correct. I can pull it up in a second. Imagine if somebody came and kicked your dog.

[Angela McArdle]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Seriously injuring it on camera. Everybody watched it happen. And for the record, it was Georgia,

[Carter Banks]

Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

[Angela McArdle]

And they said it's okay because it's Covid.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. And then you file a lawsuit for the medical bills, for the veterinary bills, for your dog, and the court says no. And you go, well, I'm filing a lawsuit. Like, no, we're allowed to file lawsuits. You can sue a ham sandwich in this country. No, that's what happened with Texas v. Pennsylvania. Texas said, we are filing suit against Pennsylvania.

[Angela McArdle]

And.

[Tim Pool]

And the only court that can hear it went, no, wait, wait.

[Angela McArdle]

What?

[Tim Pool]

There's a lawsuit filed. You got to hear it. You can dismiss it. What? They just said we're not. We're not going to.

[Angela McArdle]

Every court did it too, not just the Supreme Court with a state level decision, judicial consensus that Ron Coleman does a good job. I don't know if you saw him on your show.

[Tim Pool]

Of course.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So what happens then is they all made a bet. We are not going to let Trump. We do not believe Trump can defeat the deep state and we do not want to get on the bad side of them. The only problem is Trump did and he won in 2024. The way that Donald Trump lost in 2020 and he did lose was through ballot harvesting. These states were sued because they unilaterally created universal mail in voting despite the fact it was not legal and it was not constitutional. And in fact, not only in Pennsylvania was it federally unconstitutional. It was unconstitutional at the state level.

[Angela McArdle]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

These lawsuits ought to challenge that. Well, the courts refused to hear it. The universal mail in votes went into effect and then Joe Biden ended up getting 80 million votes, which a lot of conservatives don't believe is possible. That's what happened in 2024. They did not have that advantage because there was no lockdown and Kamala Harris and Joe Biden were not going to be able to muster it. They were going to expend way too many resources. They did not have a good candidate. Trump gets in. And now Trump shattered usaid, shattered their source of funding and they are desperate and it is only going to get worse if they end up winning. That being said, I'm optimistic. The redistricting battle is in the GOP's core. I mean, Trump's advantage is tremendous in this. I don't see, I don't see the Republicans losing right now.

[Angela McArdle]

I don't, I'm, I'm unsure. I'm unsure.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, losing the war, I don't know.

[Angela McArdle]

Right, right. Yeah. I don't know about the midterms. I hope that all of this pays off. It's unfortunate that there are a lot of know maga, populist, Libertarian coalition, people who are unhappy with, with decisions of the administration. I still want the administration to win like we need it. It's, it's an existential threat.

[Carter Banks]

I don't look like to win. What do you, what does that look like?

[Angela McArdle]

Win the midterms.

[Carter Banks]

I don't majority a majority in midterms is what you mean.

[Angela McArdle]

I mean the most important thing is that the Republicans maintain control of the Senate. You know, obviously maintaining control of Congress.

[Tim Pool]

That's basically guaranteed the Senate because.

[Angela McArdle]

Well, there's a couple of, there's a couple of kind of Scary races right now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But based on the current prediction markets and polling, Republicans are going to get 50 seats. So that, that is, these are seats that don't just lean. These are, well, we'll call. It's a little bit more than lean. Right. They're likely. So there's your guaranteed red seats and your likely red seats and then toss ups. If all of the toss ups go Democrat JD Vance is still the tiebreaker. Republicans still hold the Senate. However, procedurally, I do think that Republicans are going to, are likely, I should say, to keep the House.

[Angela McArdle]

Do you think so?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, they're looking at gaining 12 seats right now. Currently they're up seven.

[Angela McArdle]

Redistricting is, that's the thing that can just.

[Tim Pool]

Republicans are up seven seats.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What I will say on the war front, I don't think Trump cares about the polling. I think that the redistricting is enough to get him over the edge regardless. Most people don't care. And I will also add that I believe the conversation around the war consists largely. The first thing I would say is it's all. The first problem with the conversation on the war is lies make up a large portion, misunderstandings make up a small portion, and the truth makes it the tiniest portion of the conversation on the Iran war.

[Elad White]

Just to add to the redistricting conversation too, for a second, I know also people have been talking about the waning influence of the President apparently on the party. I know there are people in the wings of the party waiting to really pounce and try to claim the Republican Party for their own. But there was just a Republican primary held in Indiana yesterday. I don't know if you guys talked about it. We did yesterday show where he flipped five or six.

[Tim Pool]

Five of seven.

[Angela McArdle]

That was great.

[Elad White]

Seven.

[Tim Pool]

The people who opposed him all lost.

[Elad White]

Eight senators in Indiana who kind of bucked him when they, when he said he wanted them to redistrict. I think it would have netted them another seat or two over there.

[Tim Pool]

Let's go to the story from NBC News. Republicans unveil proposed congressional map that carves up Tennessee's lone date Democrat district. That said, I mean, it barely has a Democrat district to begin with, but indeed they have unveiled their map. Hey, but wait, there's more. Southern Republicans press ahead with election year redistricting of U.S. house despite protests. I don't know if I have the Mississippi one pulled up. No, no, we'll pull that one up in a second. But Mississippi is also preparing for the same thing. I do, however, have this beautiful, beautiful Interactive map coded by our Claude friend over at Claude AI. And you can see here currently, this is what we're looking at. In effect, there are seven states that are currently in this battle. Two states are pending a decision this week. That's Tennessee, their vote, and the Virginia appeal. There are five more states pushing. And if all of these resolve the way they're, the way they're, they're. They're trying. There will be two Republican seats. However, the Indiana may revive next year, which would trigger a swing for two more seats in 2028. Now currently, I believe the Republicans are up seven seats. We don't know if Virginia is going to succeed. Uh, ver. Virginia is being challenged and the court may actually say you can't do. It's ridiculous. Tennessee likely will succeed. And then you can see we have a bunch of other states. So the battle is on. And Maryland actually has voted for a 9 to 0 map. They moved forward despite the fact the scumbags. You want, you want, you want to know why the Republicans in Indiana lost? They cut a deal with Maryland. We won't redistrict. You don't redistrict. How does that sound?

[Angela McArdle]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

And Maryland was like, sounds good to us. The Republicans then voted not to and the Democrats voted to do.

[Angela McArdle]

Of course they did.

[Tim Pool]

However, in the Senate, I believe in the state Senate, they say Senate President Bill Ferguson refused to bring it to a vote despite it passing 99 to 37. Rep. Raskin, overwhelming sentiment now is for Maryland to join Virginia and California. Ferguson faces a primary challenge from Bobby Len, described as a as close. If Ferguson loses, the map likely revives quickly. So. Oh boy. Now here's what gets really interesting. If all of the states are forced to redistrict as per the DOJ's rules, New Jersey gains a Republican seat. Pennsylvania gains two Republican seats. We're looking at like a 12 to 15 seat swing. If Harmeet Dillon comes in with the

[Carter Banks]

hammer, does that indicate that the majority of the country is Republican?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Angela McArdle]

Harmet Dillon is a human hammer.

[Tim Pool]

So she's amazing. So I'm being somewhat. I mean, it's not a yes, but I will say the plurality was Republican. And I will say this. When. When you say is majority of the country Republican, what do you mean by the country?

[Carter Banks]

The borders of the 50 states.

[Tim Pool]

I would argue that with 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants, they are neither Democrat nor Republican.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And so we have a spattering. If you include those people in it, then no, the majority of people aren't Republican because we have a Bunch of people who are foreigners, immigrants, legal immigrants, but who don't care. And people vote Democrat for free stuff.

[Carter Banks]

So a citizen under that level, I

[Elad White]

think in the upcoming election the Democrats will net receive more votes, but depending on how they're spread out across the country is how the seats are allocated. So they'll run up numbers in particular cities and that's why they'll have more net votes but they won't net as many seats.

[Tim Pool]

Now the question is supposed to be directly correlated. Is this nation largely Republican? Answer is yes, 100%. If you go to a Democrat, you know, like you've got this Pramila Jayapal or whatever going and she's trying to coordinate with Russia and other countries to bypass U.S. sanctions on Cuba, which is insane. You know, I don't consider these people to be a part of a nation. A nation is not just a border. It is a border and its people. And when you ask the question of who Americans really are, I would argue that many of the older generation have done a disservice to this country in allowing non Americans to come and take up residence en masse in this country and subvert the will of Americans. And so what I mean to say is I hate the term heritage American. Just say American don't qualify that you're an American. And we talked about this yesterday. Call the people who are here paperwork Americans.

[Angela McArdle]

That works.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, these are. So my point is this technicalities. If you come here legally as a migrant and fill out all the paperwork and then take the test and pass that test, you're great, you're an American. I'm fine with that. However, when policies are created to speed give the fast pass to H1BS and they lie, cheat and steal to do it, they claim we, you know, these companies do, they'll put an ad in the newspaper saying we're hiring. And then when no one answers, the newspaper classified say I guess we have no choice but to hire from India because the H1BS require that you try to hire Americans first. Those this is in my opinion fraud. This is fraudulent. So I don't consider those people to be legal migrants. I consider it to be fraud. Now the problem is we have people with the right to vote in this country who are not legal Americans. They used a fraudulent scheme to come into this country and they are now subverting the will of the people. Most importantly, Zoran Mamdani, who argued in his campaign despite the fact that the plurality of voters, the popular vote said we want immigration enforced. He said he will do Everything in his power to protect illegal immigrants from the will of the American voter. That is not an American. I'm sorry, I'm put it like this. The American people all go vote and they say, let's do away with bad thing. Guy steps up and says, I'm going to make sure bad things stays. And I'm like, okay, that is a guy who opposes the will of the American people. He does not count. That's how Ramdani.

[Angela McArdle]

He's like a WEF citizen. They want globally homogenous populations across the world ruled by bureaucratic NGOs.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I half agree with that, except for the fact that it only affects Europe and the United States and like the Western, like, well, the countries,

[Angela McArdle]

you know, British Empire, they're not really worried about anywhere else because that's not where they view wealth and power.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they're not worried about them yet, I suppose. You know, if it says anything about the average woke person's inability to comprehend reality, it would make sense that the Davos Group people also can't. And they don't understand that implementing these things just breaks the system. And then China takes over.

[Angela McArdle]

No idea. Naive and incredibly narcissistic.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Carter Banks]

That's crazy that they, they want to centralize power in the corporations where it's like, bro, local governments and like dudes with rifles in their houses is what keeps this country safe.

[Angela McArdle]

Corporations, NGOs, you know, these like extra governmental regulatory bodies. Like that was one of the best things that this administration has done is pulling out of the who. Oh yeah, absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

I mean there's a bunch of things. Tpp.

[Angela McArdle]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

All of this weird give China everything policy that's been going on for 30 years.

[Angela McArdle]

Listen to bureaucrats from other countries on how we should run our health care.

[Tim Pool]

Get.

[Angela McArdle]

Get out.

[Carter Banks]

The UN is kind of like that too.

[Tim Pool]

Unelected.

[Carter Banks]

Strange.

[Angela McArdle]

It's unelected.

[Elad White]

I was gonna pivot and ask you. I know there's been some consternation among libertarian MAGA types. You invited the President to speak at the last Libertarian convention that you guys held. What do you think about how he's been governing and are you disappointed as a libertarian minded person in his administration?

[Angela McArdle]

I'm ecstatic that we got any concessions or wins. I think it's amazing. We have had for over 50 years, our party at the federal level has had zero wins, nothing.

[Elad White]

He reminded you of that too in

[Angela McArdle]

his speech freed Ross Ulbrich. Yeah, I mean I reminded them of it. You know, every day when we're sitting in stupid meetings, we Got Ross Ulbricht free. He put Kennedy in the Cabinet as a Cabinet secretary. And everybody was like, oh, we're hoping it was more libertarian. Libertarian. Kennedy's a lifetime member of the lp. We just got two things. We went from zero to two. And that's like the hardest thing to do is to go from like 0 to 1.

[Elad White]

Can I ask you more about that lobbying effort in regard to Ross Ulbricht, for people who, who don't know? I think he was one of the managers or owners originally of the Silk Road.

[Angela McArdle]

He's the architect of the Silk Road.

[Elad White]

Architect of the Silk Road. This was a, what is it, the dark Internet or what have you.

[Angela McArdle]

And that's a dark website.

[Elad White]

A dark website where they were mostly selling drugs and stuff.

[Angela McArdle]

I think a lot of it, surfboards and, you know, other things.

[Elad White]

The majority of what people went there to.

[Angela McArdle]

But it was basically like a Craigslist. No, more like a Yelp.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Elad White]

Well, I guess I wanted people to understand why he went to prison originally.

[Tim Pool]

Can you tell me about IDs?

[Elad White]

Yeah. Can you tell me about the lobbying effort to get him out?

[Angela McArdle]

Sure. So, I mean, it wasn't lobbying. You know, there were people who were friends with President Trump who reached out to me and said, the President wants to talk to you about how to get the vote. How do we get the Libertarian vote? So I, I had a meeting with Rick Grinnell, who's also phenomenal, phenomenal person who was not on the Trump campaign, but was a friend of President Trump's, former director, acting Director of National Intelligence in his first term. He met with us and was like, what do the libertarians think about President Trump? And I, unlike almost every other libertarian on the face of the planet, was very diplomatic in my answers. And I said, we love that he started no new wars in, in that term. We're not like real crazy about the drone strikes on sula.

[Tim Pool]

He didn't start a business just to keep the lights on. You're here to sell more today than yesterday. You're here to win. Lucky for you, Shopify built the best converting checkout on the planet. Like the just one tapping ridiculously fast acting sky high sales stacking champion at checkouts. That's the good stuff right there. So if your business is in it to win it, win with Shopify. Start your free trial [e-mail] win money thing.

[Angela McArdle]

That was a little. Eh. But we're very sympathetic to him with how the justice system has been weaponized against him and we have hope he wins and beats all of that. And they. It was like, oh, that was a good. Was a good answer, you know, so we met, and, you know, it was like, Trump actually called me, you know, on someone else's phone, passed the phone to me, and I spoke with him for about 45 minutes, and he's like, how do I get the vote? I want to get the vote. I got to get the Libertarian vote. That Joe Jorgensen, she cost. She cost me the vote. She got 5%. And I was like, she got, like, 1.2%. You know, I was like, she got 1.2%.

[Tim Pool]

And also, real quick, just. It's this weird Republican assumption. They just are guaranteed Libertarian votes.

[Angela McArdle]

I know. Know. And as we have learned, there's a bunch of, like, transgender furry.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Angela McArdle]

Weird. Also just uneducated protest votes. And that does. That does eat into it. But anyway, you know, I was like, yeah, let me think about it. I'm happy to share with you. Like, as the chair of another political party, I can't just, like, get you on our ballot or just, like, make it so. Or put out an official endorsement, but I. I want you to be more Libertarian. This is a win win, you know? And so I met with him at Mar a Lago two weeks later, and I was thinking about, like, you know, I'd been thinking the whole time, how do I. What do I ask? You know, it's like, what does every Libertarian want? They want in the Fed, you know, abolish the irs. I'm like, but he can't do that. He's one person. What can he do? He can free Russ Ulbricht. And so I asked that, and he just went, who's Russell Brick? I'll do it.

[Elad White]

Before even knowing who he was, he

[Angela McArdle]

said, it's burned into my memory. He said, I'll walk out on stage and I'll say, free Russell Brick. Mic drop. I love freeing people. And I was like, this is, like. I was, like, sweating bullets. I was stressed. I think the only person I asked the opinion of it for was, like, Michael Malice. Lynn Ulbricht. His mother had no idea. She had. Ross had no idea. His wife had no idea.

[Tim Pool]

I love freeing people.

[Angela McArdle]

I was like, sweating bullets. And he's just like, yeah, whatever, you know? What do you think about weed? He asked my husband, have you ever smoked marijuana?

[Elad White]

Well, you saw. He just rescheduled.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So he's on. So he was doing a press conference after getting elected, and he was asked about pardoning Ross Ulbrich is like, I don't know. He is, but I Promised I'd do it. So I did.

[Angela McArdle]

Amazing. So I'm trying, I'm trying to ask the administration to get some more bitcoiners out of prison right now.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah. So samurai wallet developers, hardcore libertarians, but well behaved, you know.

[Tim Pool]

But I think one of the problems you guys are having right now is aside from the fact the party is half gay communists now, of the sane half, it's just Israel posters.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh, the sane half.

[Tim Pool]

Well, like not all of the sane half has become Israel posters, but many of them are just Israel.

[Angela McArdle]

It's a problem. It's a huge problem. You know, what I've wanted the party to do, especially the Mises caucus, is like, don't give up on peaceful foreign policy. But we have to look at like a variety of issues. Maha issues. A lot of them, not every Maha issue, but a lot of them matter. They're things that we can win on. They're things that we 100% agree. Tennessee LP has done a great job of working with Maha. Bitcoin. They're almost all libertarians. You know, Ian Freeman is still sitting in prison. I believe he's been moved to West Virginia, actually. He's from New Hampshire. He served eight years for operating an unlicensed bitcoin atm. He's still serving the time, which was a regulatory gray area at the time. Regulatory gray area. Federal government hated. Eight years. How many murderers has. Have. Have gone, like, basically been released at this point.

[Tim Pool]

Why aren't these guys getting pardoned?

[Angela McArdle]

Well, because there are things like the Iran war, all the things that we're covering, weaponization of the. Everything is competing for number one. So I think that the administration is likely to pardon them. There's just like literally five or six people on my list. I mean, I've got like 60.

[Tim Pool]

Can these, you know, can these, these libertarians understand you do not have the cards to win ending Iran or Middle Eastern war, but you do have the cards to get these people out of prison.

[Angela McArdle]

Some of them do and some of them are getting it. So I'm like, how about instead of screaming at me that I'm taking $7,000 for not posting about Israel, it's just the height of absurdity. $7,000 for not, you know, like, they're like, you're Israel, you're a Jew. I'm like, mcardle, I am literally not a Jew, but whatever. Like, instead of being total tards, why don't we focus on getting like Keone and Ian and Roman out of prison just to put.

[Tim Pool]

And more importantly, just getting Precedent on these laws in the first place.

[Angela McArdle]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Affecting things we can affect.

[Angela McArdle]

Which also, by the way, like this is. If you're angry about the Federal Reserve and all this stuff, how about we back this alternate financial system and make sure that it's welcome in the United States so the whole industry doesn't move to El Salvador.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Angela McArdle]

Which is stupid.

[Carter Banks]

Who are these guys? You want to get pardoned?

[Angela McArdle]

These five dudes, Ian Freeman, Roman Storm. He has not gone to prison yet. And you can read about all of them on cryptoprisoners.com they all have petitions and stuff. Roman Sterling off. He is sitting in prison. This poor dude got 12 years for operating allegedly the Bitcoin Fog wallet. And he. He didn't even do it. It's just insane. It's a. It's a mixer. Sorry. So Ian, Roman, Roman, Keone Rodriguez and William Hill. And they're of the Samurai Wallet.

[Carter Banks]

So they started like wallets.

[Angela McArdle]

Non custodial software. Yeah. Non custodial. What's not even a gray area? FinCEN said that they were. Okay. Like they did actually go through most of them and get permission on everything.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, that's a lot.

[Tim Pool]

They literally just created a non custodial, non custodial.

[Angela McArdle]

Never touched a dollar from anyone else.

[Tim Pool]

And yeah, Rumble's got one. It's called the Rumble Wallet.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah. And got guidance from Vincent.

[Elad White]

You're not leaving anything out?

[Angela McArdle]

No.

[Elad White]

Okay. No. I need to look into these cases.

[Tim Pool]

If she was a Democrat, it would turn out they were all pedophiles or something. But she's not. She's a libertarian.

[Angela McArdle]

Turn out there.

[Elad White]

I mean, I understand too, because the. The way people would characterize his. Ross's case was different than the way you would characterize it.

[Angela McArdle]

Totally.

[Elad White]

Well, so that's why I'm trying to. I will.

[Tim Pool]

I would say that they're liars.

[Angela McArdle]

That there are like six.

[Elad White]

Well, he helped facilitate drug dealing on his website.

[Tim Pool]

But. But like he had a website where people did drug trafficking. Right. Let's be.

[Carter Banks]

Let's.

[Elad White]

Let's facilitated the drug trafficking via his website. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

He did not know. Incorrect.

[Elad White]

He trafficked without his website.

[Tim Pool]

He made a website. So it's like imagine if Craigslist got arrested because we know that underage prostitutes are on Craigslist.

[Elad White]

Imagine ebay got away with sell it. Like you were selling drugs on ebay and ebay allows you to do it.

[Tim Pool]

That's a great point. Imagine if they went. Arrested the CEO of eBay because someone

[Elad White]

is eBay allowing drugs.

[Tim Pool]

Section 230 protects people. Protects These companies, ebay.

[Angela McArdle]

How about Facebook?

[Elad White]

People to sell drugs on their platform.

[Tim Pool]

So when, when, what was, what was that website with the SISA factor, back pages, back page. Did they arrest the founders of Backpage and criminally charge them for sex trafficking?

[Angela McArdle]

I think actually after a while they threatened to and then they shut it down, but they didn't serve any time.

[Tim Pool]

The issue, the issue is ebay and Craigslist. People commit crimes on these platforms and they're not arresting the CEOs of them. Well, ebay, what you normally do as a company, you come to them and you say, hey, your, your website is

[Elad White]

being used to go deeper. I don't remember all of the details, but I also recall that he was involved, involved in like a murder for hire plot. I want to get all the details out because I don't want to misquote this thing specifically, but there are other details in these.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I think that was fake and

[Angela McArdle]

that was part of it all dropped and there were no charges brought on it. That's.

[Tim Pool]

Was it the only charges, fake IDs or something?

[Angela McArdle]

I think so. It was like a whole poison the well situation where they bring nasty charges against you and then just leave anything

[Elad White]

out in these important cases.

[Angela McArdle]

All right, so let me tell you,

[Tim Pool]

I, I will clarify. To be fair, the website had a high density of illicit activity. But I want to stress about Kim.com as well. Kim.com operated a file locker. Mega upload in was like the late 2000s. Late 2000s. This website was intended for at launch. I can store things online like Google Drive and then I can download them from anywhere. It was one of the first iterations of cloud computing. People started uploading copyrighted material to it. Kim Dotcom, who has never set, set foot in the United States, got takedown notices and says, you got it. The only problem is too many people were, it was, it was a hive, it was a swarm of piracy. So when they went to him and said, take it down, he would say, we will take down anything you want. The problem is he's not American.

[Angela McArdle]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

There are too many people pirating. They can't stop all of it. They need to shut his company down, but can't. So what do they do? Locked him up, raided his house in the middle of the night, put him in jail in New Zealand. It was a Hong Kong based company and he had never been in the United States. And the US and New Zealand raided him, charged him, and I don't think he's ever had a day in prison. But the argument that because he operated a legitimate website because there's too much bad stuff going on is absurd considering tons of other user generated content. Websites have the same thing going on.

[Angela McArdle]

Facebook has human trafficking and sex trafficking of children.

[Tim Pool]

It's Zuckerberg. And you know what's funny? When Instagram got called out for it, they had like an internal meeting meeting and just like, oh, we better not say anything guys.

[Elad White]

I don't know, are we beating around the bush here? I use the Silk Road at one point. I know what the Silk Road is. It was almost 100% used for drugs. People weren't buying other things off the Silk Road.

[Tim Pool]

And it was a critical.

[Elad White]

What else do you think people. No. And these other websites like Facebook, although there might be some trafficking there, that's not what the platforms are generally used for. I think why libertarians had an affinity for Albrecht and the Silk Road was because it like, like embodied libertarian ideas, free markets. So like

[Tim Pool]

let's have this over.

[Carter Banks]

Listen, he was overcharged. They charged him with kingpin status. He served 10 years for that.

[Tim Pool]

So hold on, let's, let's. I mention we have the facts correct.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

The purpose of the Silk Road was so that people could use cryptocurrencies to trade things. First, many people, because they were able to use crypto, they set up illicit shops where it's like by this mystical white pattern, everyone who was cocaine. Right. So people were using it for illicit activities largely. But again the, the purpose of the site is. So if I have bitcoin and I want to buy something, I can listen here because you can't do that on ebay or anywhere else. I also want to stress, I don't know if this theory is true or if Ross has ever commented on it, but one of the initial theories is that he's actually not the person who started the website nor the person who made this happen. And that's why his, his moniker on the site was Dread Pirate Roberts. That he had simply been handed an admin status from the person who made the website and they went after him because they needed someone to pin it on.

[Angela McArdle]

And, or there were multiple Dread Pirate Roberts. Now about these guys. I'm going to tell you that I've got a list of like 60 plus people who are likely deserving of pardons and have been grossly overcharged and. Or innocent. But these guys been through their criminal files, been through, spoken with their attorneys, spoken with their wives. Not guilty. Shouldn't be in prison. Big difference.

[Tim Pool]

To bring it all together, the and where you're going to agree a lot is the libertarians have become hyper obsessed on the Iran war. And I don't blame many of them. I'm always a fan and friend of Dave Smith. I think he's smart, I think he's charismatic. I think he hits his points perfectly in a way that makes you laugh and I respect him for it. But there are a lot of people that seem disingenuous and they are not approaching this political. I don't want to necessarily say the whole party because you do have the gay communists in there. They're not approaching their capability as a faction.

[Angela McArdle]

Agreed.

[Tim Pool]

Honorably or in a way that is effective. You're not going to go to Trump, call him a traitor, a tyrant, a warmonger, and expect any kind of, let's just say, consideration.

[Angela McArdle]

Right. Which is why I don't do it. And they're so angry about it. We are going to advance asymmetrically. I've said to them over and over again, publicly, privately, in meetings, guys, we're not going to get foreign policy. I know that that's like you care so much about it and like it's a good and worthy thing to care about. But there are so many other things, smaller things more in line with our voting block size that we could get and we should use exercise diplomacy and we should get those things.

[Tim Pool]

I do love this, though. I got to say this for Dave and for Tucker. Donald Trump took 100 to 160 million from Miriam Adelson and it was reported far and wide the purpose was she expected Trump to help facilitate the annexation of the West Bank. That's what all the reporters at the time, $100 to $160 million in pro Trump PACs and super PACs to help him win. And it was reported as a quid pro quo because she is pro Israel. Tucker and Dave both knew that when they support.

[Elad White]

Everybody knew Israel didn't annex. I know Judea Samaria. So it looks.

[Tim Pool]

The point is, Mia Madison said, I want these efforts and I'll support you if you're behind me. And Trump reportedly, again, I don't know exactly what the deal was, but he was like, we'll do what we can.

[Elad White]

And so it's not the position of the administration certainly to take, certainly not allow the Israelis to take over.

[Tim Pool]

And Samaria, I don't think anyone's doing anything about it.

[Elad White]

I understand, though, that they are.

[Angela McArdle]

I don't think that anybody should be surprised that the president is pro Israel. I don't. I wasn't surprised by that going in

[Tim Pool]

he moved the embassy to Jerusalem. He killed Soleimani. There's no way. These people who are like, oh my God, I can't believe he did this, did not know it was a possibility.

[Angela McArdle]

It's okay to dis.

[Elad White]

Advocate for a second here, Angelo, though I completely understand why so many in the Libertarian Party were ticked off because, you know, the resurgence of the party was really based off of the back of Ron Paul. And I feel like this is really indicative or downstream from Ron Paul's foreign policy. All the rest of this stuff was kind of extra. A lot of these guys centrally appreciated Ron Paul's foreign policy.

[Tim Pool]

Certainly, like that's what I want to, I want to stress the point back to the point, the point I was making when I said I would say the majority of the conversation on the war is intentional lies followed by misunderstanding. Every time I watch, you know, these analyses or assessments largely from the anti war faction of which I have largely been in my time of anti intervention.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And even, even this war I question. But I don't sit here and go, well, I was opposed to Iraq and Afghanistan for legitimate reasons. We had learned over a decade. And now I'm going to just say Iran has been. No, no, no, hold on. The question is, what is Trump doing? What is the US Doing? Why are they doing it? And it's difficult to understand. What I can say at least is this. When the people come out and they're saying, and now Trump is flip flopping. He doesn't know what he's doing. I'm like, okay, you're lying. Listen, he moved on Venezuela, he moved on Cuba. He took money from Miriam Adelson. We know, we know that there is some structure behind what he's doing. This strait of Hormuz. And so the question needs to be, who benefits? What is the current result of the war with Iran? And all I end up seeing, or I should say for the most part from the most prominent people, is Trump made a mistake entering the war because Israel made him do it. And now he's floundering. And I'm sitting here being like, then why did he go after Venezuela first?

[Angela McArdle]

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[Angela McArdle]

tweeting about Iran, how they can't have nukes and this, that beyond, you know, things that were basically not pro Iran back in 2020.

[Tim Pool]

This is why I say it's a lie, because Tucker comes out like, I can't believe he would do this. And then his brother immediately goes, maybe that money from Miriam Adelson meant something. And he goes. And it's like, yeah, Tucker, because you knew the whole time and now he's pretending like he didn't.

[Angela McArdle]

So to your point, Elon, you know there are groups within the Libertarian Party that are holding an anti war rally in connection with the Libertarian National Convention. It's going to be Sunday, May 24th. I'm not organizing it, but it does exist. It's another rage against the war machine. Smaller scale. Scott Horton will be speaking. Dan McKnight, a handful of other speakers and people who want to support it can go to tinyurl.com rage rapids can I? I hope they have a great time, Scott.

[Carter Banks]

And if I can, yeah, go for it, man. These are some of my best friends in politics I want to talk about too, but go.

[Elad White]

Yeah, I think so. These are some of the worst people in politics because of what they're willing to do. One of the things that animates my politics most is really a hatred for the left beyond anything else. And time and time again I see. I think of the Libertarian party and Libertarians as a Trojan horse for the left. And why is that?

[Tim Pool]

This is.

[Elad White]

They're used as useful idiots for communists and leftists. Frankly.

[Tim Pool]

Angela, you've been willing real quick. Half of them are gay communists.

[Elad White]

Yeah. And then the others that aren't are willing to ally with them, which is disgusting and horrible and gross. Angela, you had a history of this though, because at prior age, against the machine or war machine events, you guys have gladly worked with communists. And like, I don't use Russian propagandists lightly, but like literal Russian propagandists and like the fact that you guys were able to.

[Tim Pool]

Like who?

[Elad White]

Who Like Jackson Hinkle for example, spoke at your.

[Angela McArdle]

Well, I think he's a Russian propagandist now. I didn't think that then.

[Elad White]

Well, then you guys were useful idiots for him back then. And you guys were also useful. No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

Well, you guys should have.

[Elad White]

No, you guys should have better foresight and you guys should have now. No, definitely.

[Carter Banks]

You gotta ally with people you don't agree with.

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely.

[Carter Banks]

If that will win you.

[Elad White]

Well, here's the. Look, the American World War II, bro.

[Tim Pool]

Should they not have.

[Elad White]

So I shouldn't work with communists. I don't believe communists are ever right. And I don't think we should ever.

[Carter Banks]

If you could change the history, you'd say the Americans should not have allied with the Soviet Union to defeat the Nazis.

[Tim Pool]

We didn't know what? You know what, what the hell does that mean? We didn't need to wait on the Western Front, bro. Okay, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

[Angela McArdle]

Let me this up.

[Tim Pool]

I also don't agree that we should have allied with the Soviets because we end up with a cold war and it was disaster.

[Carter Banks]

It would be a Nazi planet if we didn't know.

[Tim Pool]

It would not have.

[Carter Banks]

Of course it would have been. The Russians were getting grounded.

[Elad White]

We bailed out the Soviet Union.

[Carter Banks]

They were dying on the front in mass. British planes were over there saving their lives. What do you want? We had to ally for against a worse enemy. That's what happens in politics.

[Tim Pool]

I would argue that the Nazis and the Soviets are very, very bad. And we decided to ally with one bad for the other less bad. It's the end result. Like look, looking at World War II, it's not so easy to say. Let me put it this way. There were people protesting. What was it? There's a protest outside some anti communist thing. They were protesting that the communists saved us from the Nazis and it's like bad guys were fighting each other, I guess.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

We should not have aligned ourselves, the communists we can fight the Nazis with and, and, and let them do their thing and get flattened. In fact, we could have let them crush each other and then probably scraps.

[Carter Banks]

Well, they were gonna, they were allies for this, for.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, okay, so let's, okay, so let's not get all worked up over communists. Let's look at, let's look at an objective. Let's look at political strategy and see the trajectory of the whole thing and pull our feelings out of it for a moment. Angelo said, Yep, Angela sets up Rage against the War Machine. Who do we have speaking there? Tulsi Gabbard, Ron Paul, Jimmy Dore, bunch of people on the left and the right. Dennis Kucinich. We invited Kennedy. He was doing his book tour. Unavailable. We had basically his future campaign manager there, Angela. Angela, shortly afterwards, very diplomatically, politely, just sort of let some of those connections go. No names, you know, but holds on to the rest of them. Angela sets up Rescue the Republic. Who comes, you know there? Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, also Jimmy Dore. We did have someone there who was critical of Israel. What are they doing there? Essentially rallying for President Trump and the coalition who gets elected. Not just President Trump, but also his coalition. Kennedy, Tulsi, you know, all of the people that we wanted in what was the beginning of Rescue the Republic. It was defeat the mandates, which Bret Weinstein and Matt Tune did, and rage against the war machine.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Angela McArdle]

But now Rage against the War Machine

[Elad White]

helped President Trump as like a pro Trump rally. I think is crazy. And I think, I think.

[Angela McArdle]

No, no, no, you're way oversimplifying it. You have to look at like political plays and adopt a more long term strategy. And that's what I did and I delivered results. Why do you have zero regrets?

[Elad White]

Why do you think the communists were so willing to work with you guys?

[Angela McArdle]

Because hardly anybody ever is.

[Tim Pool]

Well, because they oppose the interventions.

[Elad White]

No, because they're useful idiots for the left, in my opinion. They know that guys bleed away. I don't mean personally. I'm talking about the pause.

[Tim Pool]

Not going to address what you just said. There are special interests that exist. There's millions of them. They have agendas and would like to accomplish those agendas. There will often be two groups that largely oppose each other that seemingly align on a core issue towards their agendas. The reason the communists are anti war is not the same reason that I or Angela may be anti war. But if it stops these interventions, then we're both happy. Temporarily.

[Angela McArdle]

Sure.

[Elad White]

I guess. My values and priorities never align with the communists. And I wish you guys could say the same. Tim, I don't know if you'd be willing to work with communists.

[Tim Pool]

And yes, you got to think politics.

[Carter Banks]

I wouldn't be because the political leader. You can't say I'll never ally with X.

[Angela McArdle]

You have to be able.

[Tim Pool]

It's not that, Ilad. It's that one day a guy walks up and you're holding a sign that says something like, you know, let's just say lower taxes, 5%. And the guy walks up and he sees your sign and he goes, I'll stand with you, brother. And you go, thanks, man. You fist bump him. And then afterwards, I'm a communist, by the way. And you go, I should have had better foresight.

[Elad White]

Yeah, so I think lowering. If you believe in lowering taxes, but if you're also for training the kids, if you're also a card carrying. But most of the DSA if you want to.

[Tim Pool]

What does that have to do with passing? Like let's. Let's say that there is a proposition. Let's. It's a proposition in your state that says something like we are going to stop spending money on just. I'm going to view on widgets. It's a hypothetical. You find out that there's a bunch of money being funneled to widget companies. That's a waste of money. Then you say, I need people to sign this so we stop wasting this money. And you get a bunch of signatures. The proposition passes, they cut the funding. And then you find out a lot. Every signature was a communist. Oh my God.

[Elad White]

Difference though. I'm not willing to build a coalition with people even if they may agree with me on lowering taxes. Are communists. Believe in abortion until the day of birth, believe in sex change for minors and you're loose.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, I'm not going to lose actually,

[Elad White]

because I think the country's against it. And they didn't just vote with the communists, they held a rally with them. They didn't have to hold a rally with them. I think this helps normalize. To finish my point, I think this helps normalize communism in our country. And communism is still a grave that threat. The democratic socialists of America is still a grave threat.

[Tim Pool]

We all agree. You're not making a point. You're the guy in the meme in the corner of the room at the party going, they don't know that I oppose communism. Everyone's going to Libertarian Party Guys are the meme. The Democrats get elected.

[Elad White]

They're too smart. Oh, we're not going to support the.

[Tim Pool]

It's not a meme.

[Elad White]

Just saying support the third party. No, there's the dumb like, oh, I'm a Libertarian. I'm so smart.

[Carter Banks]

Well, it used to be this time

[Elad White]

around and then the Democrats going to.

[Angela McArdle]

But I literally helped President Trump get elected. So all of your concerns are just.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you should say they're not valid.

[Elad White]

Yeah, I think the Buck County. I don't think you guys should toot your horn that much. I think the Libertarian vote was irrelevant in this campaign and I think Trump would have easily won without you guys

[Angela McArdle]

actually look at data. I know the data better than you, my friend.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Elad White]

Even if he lost Pennsylvania, he still would have won the election.

[Angela McArdle]

So how's that county Pennsylvania. And it was the same in many.

[Tim Pool]

If he lost Pennsylvania, he still would have won, right?

[Elad White]

If he lost Pennsylvania, he would have won the election.

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[Carter Banks]

It's not just the win, it's the way he won. He put Kennedy in his cabinet.

[Angela McArdle]

Magnanimous.

[Carter Banks]

That's. That's the revolution.

[Angela McArdle]

Drastic win.

[Elad White]

I think it's nice. A lot of people like to take credit for the President's win. I think the President's responsible for his win.

[Carter Banks]

It was all of us.

[Elad White]

Communism is what animates.

[Carter Banks]

It was everyone that spoke for him and voted for him. We all did it together. I was.

[Angela McArdle]

It was a coalition effort. Coalition.

[Carter Banks]

When you're saying, no, I wouldn't ally. I think you're coming from a position of privilege personally right now because you live in America, all your needs are met. If it's war, if it's real war, you don't have the opportunity to say, I won't ally with them because of their ideology. If they're. If they're willing to fight with you,

[Elad White]

that's an even worse case. I don't want to fight an ally with communist. They'll take over after. And then assisting. Don't make you an useful.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, guys, guys, I have a question.

[Carter Banks]

The American liberal economic order destroyed it.

[Elad White]

USSR took over a lot of countries.

[Tim Pool]

I have a question for a lot.

[Elad White]

It took. It took 80 years.

[Carter Banks]

I want to destroy him.

[Elad White]

It took 80 years conversation. I mean, it took millions, millions of lives, millions of innocent lives to be killed before the Soviet Union.

[Tim Pool]

You want the Republicans to win the midterms.

[Elad White]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

You need to get votes across the board. And everyone in politics knows this.

[Elad White]

Are you naive enough to think communists are going to be the one voting?

[Tim Pool]

I did not Say communists would. I said, there's going to be many disparate political factions, many of which are aligned against you, but on singular issues may actually vote for your candidate. So if the Libertarian Party can give a 1% edge, that secures many. Toss up districts for the Republicans. Why would you be like, you guys work with communists. So I think you're bad, and get out of here. They'll go, okay, we'll go vote for the Democrat. I guess.

[Elad White]

You're so naive. I think they're already spoilers in these. In these elections. They're already doing that.

[Tim Pool]

You think that Libertarians. Conservative. That's the problem?

[Elad White]

I think, oh, yeah, they're more conservative than liberal.

[Tim Pool]

You're wrong. You're completely wrong.

[Carter Banks]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

This is why I can't stand about Republicans. They're like, the conservative, traditional, conservative Republican guys. Go. The Libertarian Parties just dissolves. They could all vote conservative. I'm like, have you met one of these people? They want to smoke pot on a beach and trade hot dogs and bitcoin. Bitcoin and buy drugs. They're not conservatives. They don't believe, like, they're. They're pro choice. They're not voting for Republicans. The Mises caucus was an exception with the Libertarian Party. You are not. You are. You are trying. This is what politicians do. They go up on stage and they wear a specific tie with a specific shoe. You guys got to watch the Adjustment Bureau with Matt Damon. It's a great film. He's got a political consultant, and he explains how they told him, you got to wear nice shoes, but they can't be too nice. They got to be scuffed up a little bit because otherwise you'll alienate the working class. But they don't have nice shoes. You look unprofessional. Because they're trying to maximize the lowest common denominator to get as many votes possible. What you're describing is just nonsense. No one in politics would agree with you. Anybody working for any consulting or political action committees can be like, this guy's an idiot.

[Elad White]

What specifically, Tim?

[Angela McArdle]

There's literally a group called MAGA Communists.

[Tim Pool]

You would not work with people.

[Elad White]

Maga. Read Maga Communists. It's an oxymoron. You could say whatever you want on the Internet. It doesn't make it a real thing. Like, I don't think there's a serious MAGA Communist constituency just because some idiot on Twitter tweets about it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna answer your question, okay? On the issue of a proposition that you want passed and you have various NGOs and political actors funding it. You will often find, depending there's going to be a leftist group and a libertarian group that agree. A conservative group might agree sometimes with libertarians as well. And they're all fighting to maximize their votes to get a law or proposition through this means that someday you'll be like, really the communists and the libertarians, actually, the tankies are agreeing with kindness on this one issue. How strange. But guess what? If it passes, then you are happy. You will not win elections unless you are willing to find votes wherever they can be 100%.

[Elad White]

I think Republicans could win elections without trying to curry favor with communists. And I hope we continue to prosecute. Frankly, we should disenfranchise communists in our country and not try to involve them more in our political process. I genuinely believe that. And that's why I was so disgusted, frankly, with what the Libertarian Party was doing. Because when I was younger, I feel like I had an affinity for libertarians, small government conservatives when they're younger. You know, you like guns, you smoke a little pot. You don't think gay people are the absolute worst thing in the world and you could have an affinity for it. You know, you might say, hey, these foreign wars, maybe we shouldn't be involved as much. And you know, you grow into. Then, you know, you think maybe the libertarians aren't that bad. Then you grow up and you see what they're actually doing in the real world and how they're willing to ally with really the worst people and then, you know, try to impact change. But really, the raging. It's the machine rally that you missed, it was a.

[Carter Banks]

They were. They didn't ally with the worst people. They allied with American Communists. The worst people in the world would like.

[Elad White]

The worst people cut people open and poop in them. Are American Communists.

[Carter Banks]

No, no, no, you don't know the worst.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, not the Chinese ones. The American.

[Elad White]

The American Communists. The American domestic. That's a domestic.

[Carter Banks]

Sorry, angel, what were you saying?

[Angela McArdle]

I mean, I think that was a fantastic rally. And I also think that the cause was absolutely legitimate.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I think United States

[Angela McArdle]

shouldn't have been playing.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I think happened?

[Elad White]

Communists and Russian propaganda.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I think happened? I'm just imagining like, you know, Elad's at a club and he's like, got a drink. And he walks up to some girl and he's like, hey, I'm a lot. And she goes, no, thank you. And she turns on and grabs Hasan Piker's arm and he's just like these communists, you know.

[Carter Banks]

I think libertarianism works, I think domestically very well, but not geopolitically because war is a very important part of our survival. And like anti war makes no sense to me anymore. I used to be like, end the wars, that's not how the world works. Aggressive men want to take.

[Tim Pool]

But that's first ordered thinking. I'm not anti intervention or anti war because I'm like, war is bad. I'm like. The strategy implemented by the United States military industrial complex and NATO and Afghanistan and Iraq was an abysmal failure. Their attempt at nation building over 20 years was clearly not going to work with a bunch of mountain dwelling goat herders. Like it didn't stop at the cost we paid.

[Carter Banks]

We set up a staging area to defeat Iran. So maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, I don't know. But now we have Iran by the nuts. We have Israel with nuclear weapons pointed at every country in the Middle East. It's basically like we're winning the world war. So no, Afghanistan was a libertarian way of looking at things.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry, Afghanistan was abject failure.

[Carter Banks]

I mean it was pretty rough. It was a horrible, horrible thing to me in a lot of ways.

[Tim Pool]

But it was obvious from the get go that these strategies were insane. And I'm not saying that because I'm like, why are people throwing rocks at each other? No, I'm like, wait, you mean we're going to commit hundreds of billions of dollars to try and convert Afghanistan into South Korea? Have you looked at these people that can't do jumping jams?

[Angela McArdle]

You don't know what cities are.

[Carter Banks]

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[Tim Pool]

no, but have you seen the video of the Iraqis trying to do jumping jacks? Yeah, they're not called jumping jacks is like a military term for it. And they're going like this. I'll pull it up, I'll pull it up. And look, South Korea, Koreans are Intelligent people. They're very intelligent, actually rated as second highest IQs on average. The US occupied South Korea for generations. We're going on almost 70 years. This created an Americanized population. They are capitalists, they are business, they run business. Samsung is their biggest economic driver. And you can look at South Korea and go, these people are intelligent and very capable. You go to Afghanistan, you're like, you think you're gonna pull off a South Korea here?

[Carter Banks]

No, they just want, they wanted the land, they didn't really care about the

[Tim Pool]

people, the lithium, the land, etc. But they tried to nation build. And the strategy was you need three generations to turn these people into, into westernized, you know, a liberal democracy nation. And I don't mean like liberal American, I mean the idea of like a western nation. Right. You were never going to pull that off. These people operate under this weird blank slate assumption that these goat herders who live in mountains could adapt to this, could be developed rapidly. It didn't make sense. It was a failed operation. Yeah. Now as for Iran, there is a wholly different question. As I've said before, I am skeptical. I don't know that it's going to play out the way we want it to. But the question is, why are we doing it and what can we understand about it? Now this is where I can go to many of these libertarians, sure. I don't believe they're being honest. I see this commentary where they're like, Trump doesn't know what he's doing. Trump's an idiot. And I'm like, well, first of all, Trump probably doesn't know what he's doing because he's not the one running this. And it's probably not Hegseth either. It's probably a large military and intelligence apparatus. When you take a look at what's going on with this war again, Afghanistan was not there, hired in Osama bin Laden. No. It was nation building. And it was a pincer strike on Iran, similar similarly with Iraq. But Saddam Hussein wanted to trade oil in euro. So we said he's a threat to the system. I shouldn't say we. It was the old liberal economic, liberal economic order. Right. Now the US made a move on Venezuela, seized the oil, surrounded Cuba and then struck Iran, closing the Strait of Hormuz. The US is inadvertently, I guess it's a surface level argument, kept the strait closed, choking out China's principal source of energy and driving up the US as he as a mass oil exporter and displaced OPEC with the uaa uae now quit now leaving opec, this is a tremendous boon to Western oil production. That is not to say it was intentional, I don't know. But the conversations around the war never bring up the long. The long tail in this conflict. So it's not a simple question of war is bad. It's a question of what are we doing and why are we doing it.

[Carter Banks]

With Clint Russell particularly, who is one of my best friends, actually said, he claims anti war and Trump said no new wars. I think a lot of these guys, people feel betrayed because he said no new wars.

[Tim Pool]

People are upset about it, but the

[Carter Banks]

reality is we've been at war since World War II. It never ended. They called it cold for a while. We still wanna control the Swiss Canal.

[Tim Pool]

We're still at war in the Koreas.

[Angela McArdle]

I mean, I think that it's not

[Tim Pool]

a piece of a treaty.

[Angela McArdle]

People have a right to be upset about it. I have changed my tactic with how I approach those issues, and I am more diplomatic because I want to make wins here. It doesn't mean that I'm not anti war. It means. And people are upset about it. But, like, my priority is getting these guys out of prison. And I would rather just try to use the influence I have.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I think. I think that's why I was saying a lot of it is lies, because I feel like anybody who's actually trying to assess the situation, who has. Who is skeptical on it, is going to be honest about the long tail of this conflict, meaning Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, China, etc.

[Angela McArdle]

And I think there's also a lot of pressure that's being applied on China's allies. Whether or not that's right or wrong, you know, is maybe another discussion. We could have that or not, you know, but I don't think that it's just Iran, Israel, Iran.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's. A lot of people are just Israel posting. Yeah, like, you know, posting. And I'll say this to Clint again, that he comes up and when he comes on the show, I'll say it to his face. He made a fake video falsely attributing my argument on Israel and then put me on the thumbnail screaming, saying, Israel derangement syndrome destroyed, which he actually didn't address, for which Israel derangement syndrome is not when you criticize Israel over war in the Middle east, it's when you claim that Israel's running the opiate trade in West Virginia. That's retarded.

[Angela McArdle]

And I don't think that that's Scott Horton's position.

[Tim Pool]

I agree.

[Angela McArdle]

Or dates and, and, and that's why I think, you know, like libertarians who want to attend the anti war rally in Grand Rapids should do so. Try to do it with a little bit more thoughtfulness and not have Israel derangement syndrome. Do it from your point of being principled or what?

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me. We're going to keep this going. I want to pull this article up from Media House Democrat reveals she's working with other countries to get oil to Cuba, which includes Russia. Why are Democrats colluding with Russia against U.S. interests? Indeed. This is Pramila. How do you say. Jayapal. And she's got this video where she discusses. I'll play a little bit for you.

[Angela McArdle]

In January, Trump issued an executive order threatening tariffs on any country supplying fuel to Cuba. This was this January, just a few months ago. And oil shipments from Venezuela, that's where Cuba had been getting its oil, were halted after the US Operations to kidnap Nicholas Maduro. Since January, only one Russian tanker of oil has made it to Cuba. In fact, it landed just a couple of days before I landed. And one tanker has enough oil basically for 10 to 14 days of Cuba's oil needs. So it's a very limited amount of time. Now Russia has said they're going to send another tanker. I was in conversations with the ambassadors from Mexico and some other places, and I know other countries in Latin America are trying to figure out how to get oil there.

[Tim Pool]

Why is an American member of Congress talking with Russia and other countries to bypass our embargo and sanctions on Cuba?

[Elad White]

Because she's sympathetic to the communist regime in Cuba?

[Tim Pool]

Because when you asked this question earlier about the American. Does it mean the American people are Republicans? I would say this is not America. This woman is not American in the philosophical sense. Obviously, we can get procedural and say she's interested. She's in Congress. My point is the American. A nation is its people and its country's borders. The American people would not act against the interests of the American people, the enemies of the American people would. We have many people in this country who hate this country when polled. Do you believe that the United States is a force for good? Republicans overwhelmingly said yes. Democrats overwhelmingly said no. These people are actively trying. I have a few questions. Why would a Democrat seek to get oil, period?

[Angela McArdle]

They don't.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, no. These are the. The climate is bad and we got to stop using oil and go to renewables. Also, we should help other countries get oil.

[Angela McArdle]

They think that we're. They think we're the bad guy. They really do you know, I think that Ron Paul and plenty of libertarians would oppose any type of meddling in the foreign affairs of other countries. And they could explain why from libertarian principle, you know, like philosophically driven positions. But I think that these people on the left, they're like, the United States is bad and we need to do anything and everything we can to weaken it and to strengthen its enemies.

[Tim Pool]

I think many libertarians agree.

[Angela McArdle]

Well, that's unfortunate.

[Elad White]

Yeah. Do you think there's somebody who you could build a coalition with on an issue you guys may agree with?

[Tim Pool]

Absolutely.

[Elad White]

Okay, nice.

[Tim Pool]

What is, what is that? What is that question?

[Elad White]

No, no, no. I didn't know if, you know, I

[Angela McArdle]

mean, if she wants to, like, literally

[Tim Pool]

an American citizen, if she wanted to make it so that, you know, we lowered. Yeah. Like, maybe she comes out and says, ATM fees are a rip off. Overdraft fees, rip off the American people.

[Elad White]

I'd say most definitely thinks that.

[Tim Pool]

I agree with that.

[Angela McArdle]

Okay, here's the. Here's one that's.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, sorry. Do you think that so. So there's. There's a guy out there right now, and he's a working guy and he's a good, honest guy, and he's leaving work and he says, I'm gonna pick up some food for my family. So he goes to Wendy's and he orders five meals, brings them home, and his family all eats. And then the next day he goes to get gas for his car and his card's declined. And he goes, he opens up his app and he sees he has negative $89, and he goes, how do I have negative 89? Turns out he only had $27 in account the other day when he bought those meals, which cost 31. So that put him negative 3. Then he got an overdraft fee immediately for 35. Then once midnight struck, they give him another overdraft fee of 35.

[Carter Banks]

Happened to me before.

[Tim Pool]

It happens to a lot of people. And basically the way it works is if you're poor, the banks rip money out of your account and keep charging you. And if you're rich, you get free money. Now, I have no problem if Democrats proposed a bill saying banks cannot charge overdraft fees over and over and over again. In fact, I'd argue they shouldn't be allowed to charge overdraft fees at all. If the bank decides they're going to allow my card to run for more money than in my account, that's your fault. My account goes negative, all that means is there's nothing to take out And I got to pay you the $3 you fronted me. Now, if Democrats proposed that bill, I'd say agreed. Would you?

[Elad White]

Not on that issue, actually, no. You agree to the terms, to the credit card. And if you're not responsible to your debit card or whatever, and if you're not responsible enough, your bank note, whatever. If you're not responsible enough to not overdraft your card, then maybe you shouldn't have a credit card. Actually, you know, maybe that's on you. Maybe if you don't understand how credit cards work. Maybe.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's debt.

[Elad White]

And you.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's, let's try this. A lot.

[Elad White]

You wouldn't have access to.

[Tim Pool]

Let's try another debit card. No, no, no, no, no, no. Let's try another one. No, no, no. Hold on, hold on.

[Carter Banks]

You're wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Let me. Let's try another one. So a guy. Yes.

[Elad White]

Opinion.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm not explaining to you why you're wrong because you're.

[Elad White]

Our opinion's wrong.

[Tim Pool]

Your opinion is incorrect because it's based upon false presumptions.

[Elad White]

Which part is false?

[Tim Pool]

If you are not responsible enough. So let me give you another example. In Chicago 20 years ago, a scandal erupted after the CTA started double charging people. People would go and buy a card. They'd buy a $20 card.

[Elad White]

Exception. Not the rule, though. That's not how most people in our

[Tim Pool]

country should overdraft those people.

[Elad White]

That's different, Tim. Obviously.

[Tim Pool]

So let's propose the Democrats say in the instance that a fraudulent or mistaken charge overdrafts you. Banks cannot charge you repeated fees. Would you agree with the Democrat on that?

[Elad White]

There are certain people in the. I agree on principle.

[Tim Pool]

Would. You know, I wouldn't work with Pramila

[Elad White]

Jaipal on that issue because there's certain people who are beyond the pale and beyond the coalition of who I'd want to build. And that's. And that's okay.

[Tim Pool]

So when you ask me come and go.

[Elad White]

And that's what I was trying to understand from you. It wasn't, you know, that's it.

[Tim Pool]

You're willing to work with. It's a.

[Elad White]

Like Pramila Jaipal. And that's. That's great for you.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Like the idea that Hitler shows up with and he's going to like, I'm going to give everybody free food. And you're like, yeah, but you are Hitler. It's like, take the free food, then kick him out.

[Angela McArdle]

I mean, here's an actual real world example.

[Tim Pool]

Well, don't trust his to Be honest. My point is if Nick Fuentes showed up to a rally and said, I got a bunch of extra money, if you guys want to order from the Portills across the street, I'll pay for it. No, because you're.

[Carter Banks]

Take the free food offers you half a million. Half a billion dollars.

[Angela McArdle]

Okay, so the, the Muslim community, especially in Michigan, overwhelmingly votes Democrat. If they, as some of them frequently do, want to kick all the trans the kids stuff out of the schools because they're socially conservative. Yes, everybody should work to do that. And that's, that's in totally in moral alignment with, with conservatism, with Christianity, in my opinion, with libertarianism, because it's a fraud place.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let me ask you. So let's say proposition is proposed in Virginia that would ban giving kids sex changes and you need 3, 3% more of the vote in the state to get over the line to ban child sex changes. And the only voter bloc you haven't gone to yet is the Muslims. Would you ask them for help?

[Elad White]

I wouldn't hold a rally. Well, who would? Or the Muslims? I'd try to court that. What is that? What does that mean?

[Angela McArdle]

I'd hold a rally.

[Tim Pool]

What, What, What?

[Elad White]

You Muslims would be welcomed at my rally. I feel like that's manifestly different from inviting communist organizations to the rally. Would I invite far leftist, like, you know, terrorists sympathizing Palestinian and Muslim groups to my events? No, I actually wouldn't even if they did agree with me on that.

[Tim Pool]

So you would. So, so just to be clear, you would rather allow statewide legal child sex changes than ask bad people for, for help to get it over the line?

[Elad White]

Depends on how bad. But I don't think those bad people. I think this is a bad.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying like there's a bunch of, there's a bunch of pro Palestine, we hate Israel Islamists. And they're, they're saying like, I don't know enough about this issue, whether to vote. You have a chance to go to them, stand before them all and say, please vote to shut this down. You wouldn't do it.

[Elad White]

I would not try to make common cause with radical Muslim extremists.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, that's fine. You'll lose. That's all that matters.

[Carter Banks]

If purism doesn't work in politics, I think I'll win.

[Tim Pool]

That's the hypothetical I proposed. Okay, well, not. I said hypothetically, you need their vote. Would you sacrifice your position because you don't want to work with these people? You said yes.

[Angela McArdle]

And by the way Trump did a lot of Muslims outreach in Michigan, and Rick Grinnell also did, too, because a lot of them are socially conservative and they didn't like how Israel was being handled.

[Elad White]

They were like, conservative.

[Angela McArdle]

Can it at least be, like, less bad? And they took, well, this pragmatic approach.

[Tim Pool]

One of the problems we have in this country is that Democrats open the door and then you require their votes.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, you do. So you work with. With, you know, whoever you can. And a lot of the people that

[Tim Pool]

I work can't reverse it.

[Angela McArdle]

At Rage Against War Machine. Not all of them, but a lot of them. They're very sweet people. And I continue to have, you know, working relationships with them on particular issues, like the Schiller Institute people. They're sweet people. They're helping to organize the current Rage Against War machine.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you this, Elad. You have a donut shop where you sell donuts, and a communist walks in with a communist hat and a communist flag.

[Elad White]

Communists are not welcome in my donut shop.

[Carter Banks]

Period.

[Elad White]

Yes, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Okay.

[Carter Banks]

So this is the thing.

[Tim Pool]

Then. A guy with a keffi. That's what it's called. He walks in and he walks up to the counter and he goes, I am going to buy 3,000 donuts right now. And everyone screams and cheers. And then he goes, for Palestine. Would you kick him out?

[Elad White]

No. Terrorist rag wearing extremists in my m. F. Ing donut show.

[Carter Banks]

That's like saying, I wouldn't work with, I was a Democrat. Now I'm not. Some people are communists. I was a communist. Now I'm not.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I agree with this.

[Carter Banks]

Communism sucks. What I don't agree with is Communists are bad. Communists can become non communists. If you ally with them and you

[Tim Pool]

show them a better path, they might

[Carter Banks]

drop that old bullshit and become a real American language. That might happen. Okay, thank you. But that might happen.

[Elad White]

So. And you ally with them, they might take over and take away your rights.

[Carter Banks]

But they won't.

[Elad White]

They won't. Okay, you'll just.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but a lot. But hold on.

[Carter Banks]

I don't trust anybody, dude.

[Tim Pool]

A lot.

[Carter Banks]

I will use them and discard them and transform them.

[Tim Pool]

What you do is when you team up with them when they're sleeping, you implant a device in their brain that, like with. With Elon Musk's help, that can control their thoughts. And then if they betray, you press the button and they go. And then.

[Elad White]

Yeah. You guys know what happened during the Chinese civil War during World War II?

[Angela McArdle]

Come to the next rally. Free implants.

[Carter Banks]

I know a little bit no, let's.

[Tim Pool]

Let's talk about it. Iran's like, are you a Communist?

[Carter Banks]

Let's talk about.

[Elad White]

Let's talk about what happened during World War II. What happened during.

[Carter Banks]

The Japanese had control. Well, the Americans sent troops in there, but the Japanese were trying to take what.

[Elad White]

Well, there was a civil war going on between the Nationalists and the Communists. And you tell it, you know, they had a truce. They said, we're getting invaded right now by the Japanese. Let's fight off the.

[Tim Pool]

Did they repel the Japanese?

[Elad White]

Mostly, the Nationalists did. And then once the Nationalists were done doing the dirty work, the Communists took over what was left of the Nationalists.

[Tim Pool]

So you're saying they should have let Japan take over.

[Elad White]

So I'm saying as a result of

[Tim Pool]

what Japan did to those people.

[Elad White]

No, no, no. I'm saying that allying with Communists in that case in World War II helped produce the CCP. Right. Now, we wouldn't have had the CCP had the Nationalists not done all the dirty.

[Tim Pool]

Is your point that they should have allowed Japan to conquer them?

[Elad White]

My point was that they shouldn't have allied with the communists.

[Carter Banks]

But then the.

[Tim Pool]

Japan would have conquered other Japan.

[Elad White]

Taking over China would have been a better case than if China were to be fully communist.

[Carter Banks]

They might have taken over the world if they took over China.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Elad White]

No, we were going to liberate. We liberated most. Wait, we fit. We liberated most of the Pacific from the Japanese. We would have also had to do it with China.

[Tim Pool]

We kind of lucked out on it.

[Carter Banks]

We dominate.

[Tim Pool]

We would have aligned one of the

[Elad White]

biggest cancers on Earth, the ccp. As a result of this.

[Angela McArdle]

These are really, by the Nationalists, difficult decisions to just casually be like, well, you know, we shouldn't have aligned with them. We should have just let a foreign country take over.

[Tim Pool]

Here's what we're going to do. We should let the Communists Elad. We're going to have you play Civilization, normal difficulty. And then. And then, Ian, you're going to play and we're going to see who does better.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh, snap.

[Carter Banks]

I will ally with my enemies to destroy you, and then I will discard them and you.

[Tim Pool]

What's going to happen? We're going to do a big multiplayer game. Everyone's going to team up and just wipe Elad off. But before he's discovered fire.

[Carter Banks]

Diplomacy is everything.

[Elad White]

You're just going to wipe. You're just going to wipe me and my people out.

[Carter Banks]

There's a. There's a game called Diplomacy which you guys should all play because it's about betrayal. It's about making alliances as coalitions and then betraying them.

[Tim Pool]

Who's the leader of the Israelis in civilization?

[Carter Banks]

I don't know if it's in the game. I don't think it's in the game. What's on the game?

[Angela McArdle]

Come to Angela's next anti war rally where I say, President Trump, we love you so much. Would you mind dialing it down just a little bit in Iran? But it totally up to you and I understand your discretion. I'm just passing Fun fact. The word.

[Tim Pool]

The actual.

[Carter Banks]

There was a.

[Tim Pool]

The Nazi was actually the good guy in Nanking, which is really weird. Whoa. Israel is not in civilization. Wow.

[Angela McArdle]

Communists across the board.

[Tim Pool]

That's actually really weird.

[Elad White]

ADL has a write up on it.

[Tim Pool]

No, this is actually interesting. Many players discussed the note. They notice historical and cultural significance. Biblical leaders like David or Solomon major influence on the region and culture. Phyrexis avoided it likely due to modern political sensitivity around Israel.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh. Because I bet everybody would be blowing up Israel in civilization. That's so terrible.

[Elad White]

Jewish erasure year.

[Angela McArdle]

That's actually.

[Tim Pool]

That is really crazy. It. It like what. Whatever your thoughts on Israel, it exists as a political influence right now.

[Angela McArdle]

Wow. They were like, we don't want people blowing it up in a video game, so we'll just remove it.

[Tim Pool]

No. I think they were concerned that there would be videos where Israel conquers the world and stuff like that too. Oh yeah. And people would make weird memes about it.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, that would. Those memes would be a fire though. Those would be wild.

[Tim Pool]

But I think it says that people have made mods so in order for people to get it. That's crazy. Civilization has all these different religions, but there's no Judaism.

[Angela McArdle]

That's a.

[Tim Pool]

That's wild.

[Angela McArdle]

Super anti Semitic game. Sorry. Just gonna come out and say it.

[Tim Pool]

That actually is pretty crazy. Is that for real?

[Angela McArdle]

That's. That's strange. I don't know. I've never played it.

[Elad White]

There's a three guy, not a sieve guy.

[Angela McArdle]

I don't play.

[Carter Banks]

Wow.

[Angela McArdle]

I don't really have a lot of fun.

[Tim Pool]

That's actually pretty wild.

[Elad White]

I thought libertarian women, gamer girl types too.

[Angela McArdle]

So I do politics and recently got a fish tank.

[Elad White]

Oh. Fresh or salt water?

[Angela McArdle]

Fresh water. It's got a.

[Tim Pool]

Did you. Did you buy it from a communist?

[Angela McArdle]

I don't know. I mean I bought it in Austin, Texas.

[Elad White]

I would not do business communists.

[Angela McArdle]

So probably.

[Tim Pool]

What would you do if like you went to a cheeseburger shop and like a normal cheeseburger shop?

[Elad White]

I'm Jewish. To him. I would never do something like that.

[Angela McArdle]

30.

[Tim Pool]

And they, and they had. They had kosher non beef cheeseburgers or whatever it is you guys eat. Matzah or something?

[Elad White]

Yeah, matzah cheeseburger.

[Tim Pool]

There you go. And then, like you're sitting there eating it and it's the best burger you've ever had. And then you look up and the guy's just looking at you, and you take a slow bite of your cheeseburger and you're like, can I help you? And then he pulls off his mask and he's a communist.

[Elad White]

How would you rather it be a Muslim? So he could be like, oh, don't worry, bro, the burger's halal and we can eat.

[Tim Pool]

Is that the same?

[Elad White]

Oh, good. I don't know, but close enough. They stole, let's be honest, they stole our version of kosher. Renamed it.

[Angela McArdle]

They did. They did.

[Elad White]

It's a spin off. I'm tired of acting like a lot of these other religions aren't just spin offs. Cheap spin offs, frankly, of Judaism, but I want you to get into that.

[Angela McArdle]

I ate at the Red and Black Cafe in Portland, Oregon. The food was so good, but unfortunately, because they are communists, they didn't know how to run a business, so they didn't stay in business.

[Tim Pool]

Everyone knows business is a good thing. Everyone knows if you walk into a coffee shop and the bristle looks conservative, your coffee is going to suck.

[Elad White]

I don't drink coffee.

[Tim Pool]

Everybody knows the communists make good coffee.

[Angela McArdle]

They make amazing and failed actors.

[Tim Pool]

I.

[Angela McArdle]

My coffee preferably is made by someone with a lot of facial piercings, poor choices in tattoo placement.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I walk into a coffee shop, I see a pride flag on the wall, go, well, at least my coffee will be great. It's gonna be great.

[Carter Banks]

Very obvious that it's. It's better to say, I don't like communism and not, not the individuals themselves, because they can change. They can become different by force.

[Elad White]

No, no. Through.

[Carter Banks]

Through waking up and learning things.

[Tim Pool]

And by force I don't. And by force I don't hate a lot.

[Carter Banks]

Desperate starvation.

[Angela McArdle]

I thought one of the best things after Rage Against War Machine was going to the rap party. And these people who otherwise hated me all of a sudden viewed me, like, as a human being. And we had like, a moment of camaraderie and I was just like, wow, like, if we can stop hating each other over, like, BLM and all this other stuff that I think they're all right.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, hold on, hold on.

[Elad White]

I'd be proud to be hated by People who support blm. I'd be proud to.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I got a question, I got a question.

[Elad White]

Proud to be hated by communists, I'd be proud to be hated by Islamists.

[Tim Pool]

All right, I got a question for you. I got a question. So. So you're walking down the street in D.C. having just left the press briefing where, you know, they were talking about how they're building a third ballroom on top of the other two because there's already another one. This is the future, by the way.

[Angela McArdle]

Beautiful.

[Tim Pool]

And then all of a sudden you see like a dude coming towards you and he's like. And you're like, what? What is this? And you turn around and there's like three more dudes and they're like. And then you realize there's zombies. And then you're like, oh my God, they're zombies. So you grab a piece of rebar on the ground and you're like fighting zombies, but they're overwhelming you. And then all of a sudden a guy comes up and he goes, quick, take this. And he hands you a gun, but he's wearing a sickle and hammer on his shirt.

[Elad White]

Do you think that guy's giving me a gun?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, you're being attacked by zombies.

[Elad White]

No, no, Tim, they view us as subhuman.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, the zombies.

[Elad White]

No, literally. I think you guys are confused.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, hold on. Somebody, somebody please make an AI short film of this where the zombies are attacking and a lot's fighting the zombies. But the communists are like, no, we want the zombies to win.

[Elad White]

Communists aren't shooting or trying to help people kill zombies. They're shooting Israel. Pro Israeli people, Embassy staff outside of their buildings in D.C. just. That's what the communists are doing. That's what people in the pcl, a former member is doing. A former member of one of the communist organizations that I believe you had at the.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, wait, hold on, I got another one.

[Elad White]

The organization.

[Tim Pool]

Wait a lot.

[Angela McArdle]

I don't know what the PCL is.

[Tim Pool]

I got a question, I got a question. Okay, so there's like a bus crashes right on the side of the highway and everyone screams. Like people fly out the window. And there's a guy and he's hanging and he's screaming, help me. And you run up to the edge and you see there is a 12 year old girl clinging to his ankle, screaming about to fall 100ft. And the only way to save her is to pull them. Save her is to pull both of them up. But the guy who's hanging on, he's a communist. Would you Pull him up.

[Elad White]

Yes, Tim, I'd pull him up. You got me. You got me, Tim. I guess I'm saving the life of a communist.

[Tim Pool]

You just admitted you would save a communist's life. There's a lot of reasons.

[Elad White]

Save the life of a little girl. Yeah, yeah, I, I would. I think the big.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, hold on. Wait, wait. Let's flip it around. There's a little girl hanging on. There's a communist cling to her ankle, refusing to let go.

[Elad White]

What if she's the communist?

[Carter Banks]

Exactly. How do you even know?

[Elad White]

I don't believe children can be political ideology.

[Angela McArdle]

Lot of former leftists who voted for President Trump in 2024. There are a lot of people who we would consider communists who lost their homes in the Palisades fire, who have flipped and they voted for Trump. I know because I follow them on Instagram.

[Elad White]

As big of a constituency near.

[Tim Pool]

Well, to me, to be fair though, these are easy. To me, regular people aren't communists. Regular people are just. They believe wrong things.

[Angela McArdle]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Some people think down with the government, down with the banking system, and then everything will be okay. That's a communist way.

[Elad White]

Communists want to come for your property. Communists want to come for your guns. Communists want to come for your children. Communists want to have limitless abortions until point of birth. And you guys are willing to ally with these people. I feel like you guys don't understand the proper threat from communism.

[Tim Pool]

I don't understand communists. I just understand that the murder of Charlie Kirk.

[Elad White]

Communists are celebrating the repeated assassination attempts on the president.

[Tim Pool]

I just get mad.

[Elad White]

The communists want Trump supporters dead.

[Carter Banks]

What in any way connects communism to people supporting abortion up to birth?

[Elad White]

What do you think the communists in

[Tim Pool]

our country support but Angelo Zains them.

[Angela McArdle]

We wouldn't ally with every communist. You have to be selective who you ally with and on. Like you have to do some litmus test.

[Elad White]

Yes. No communists. I agree. I mean, you need to be select who you bring to your.

[Angela McArdle]

On the left.

[Elad White]

Maybe a liberal.

[Tim Pool]

If aliens invaded, would you. Would you like fight alongside a communist to stop the aliens?

[Elad White]

I think they'd come to take out the communists because, I mean, there's so many.

[Tim Pool]

I'm not asking you about that. I'm asking, literally, you're standing next to a communist guy and he goes, please help me stop the. This alien. Would you. Would you say okay, or would you like.

[Carter Banks]

No.

[Angela McArdle]

There's so many situations in life where you have to ally with people.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's a regular. It's a. It's a regular yamaka.

[Elad White]

On the alien is a yarmulke on the communists.

[Tim Pool]

You can't answer it, can you?

[Elad White]

No, it's a stupid question, obviously. Yeah, we'd kill the aliens. We tried, but we'd probably lose if the alien was even.

[Carter Banks]

No, you'd win if you came together.

[Angela McArdle]

Well, with that kind of attitude, would

[Elad White]

you team up with the communists to fight back the aliens? That's.

[Carter Banks]

I would have teamed up with the communists to fight back against the Nazis.

[Elad White]

Yeah, well, Angela's willing to team up with the communists to rage against the war machine.

[Tim Pool]

I came up with the alien to fight the communists. I mean, alliances are late in bed

[Angela McArdle]

at night thinking about that rally nationalist Heath.

[Elad White]

No, I mean, I really did try to express myself clearly. Like really what animates my politics? What got me involved was being so anti left and I thought people in the general right wing or center right or at least on the same page about that. I think these are dangerous extremists and I think you are normalizing them, empowering them and encouraging them to get more involved in the political process. And I think that's dangerous and bad for our country.

[Tim Pool]

I got a question.

[Elad White]

Therefore, I think you guys, as libertarians, again, not you in particular, but as a group and party of people, are useful idiots.

[Tim Pool]

Forget it. You said it. Is George Soros a communist?

[Elad White]

Who?

[Tim Pool]

George Soros.

[Elad White]

I think he's more of a globalist lib than a commie, per se.

[Tim Pool]

Would you ally with him?

[Elad White]

I guess it depends on the issue.

[Angela McArdle]

Only to fight aliens.

[Tim Pool]

So. So. So the answer is yes. In some circumstances, yeah, liberal. But communists? No, I got correct.

[Carter Banks]

I was.

[Tim Pool]

So name a prominent communist.

[Elad White]

Like a. I don't know. Hasan Piker.

[Tim Pool]

If Hasan offered you $1 million to do whatever you want, would you take it?

[Elad White]

To do whatever I want? Yeah. He said money from Hasan Piker.

[Tim Pool]

He's like, I want you to just be your. Do your thing, man. Like, it's a grant, it's a donation.

[Elad White]

I will not be funded or powered by communists.

[Angela McArdle]

Now, I don't know if I'd take a million bucks from Hasan Piker.

[Tim Pool]

No, I agree. I wouldn't.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, but I mean, I think I wasn't a gotcha.

[Tim Pool]

I mean it.

[Angela McArdle]

There's a lot. There's a lot of situations throughout life and not all of them are political where you're going to have to work with people you really disagree with. And that's the way to. To move forward.

[Elad White]

Yeah, but I think there are consequences to that that maybe. I don't think the libertarians have fully thought through or don't recognize the threat

[Carter Banks]

of that might be true. There are often unintended consequences to allying with with people. And sometimes the path of least resistance is the most dangerous path.

[Tim Pool]

I want to stress this. I view the Libertarian Party as a spattering of individuals who are all upset. The one thing they want to do is illegal. So the thing that strings them all together is, can I get my thing made legal? So that's why you've got some people that are just like, yeah, we want to buy drugs. Some people like, we oppose war.

[Angela McArdle]

Ideological umbrella is too large, in my opinion, for the Libertarian Party. Not just the Mises Caucus, but a lot of other people in the party skew socially conservative, not super conservative at this point. It's like social moderate. Like just 2000s level. Like what, trans kids? No. That's bizarre. What are you talking about? Just.

[Tim Pool]

You guys keep, keep nominating.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh, I'll nominate him every four if. If I have to nominate Chase Oliver every spoiler years to get the. A good gop, not a neocon, not a rhino. If to get a good GOP candidate elected to get J.D. vance looked at, I will hit that Chase Oliver button every time.

[Tim Pool]

Is that what you found?

[Carter Banks]

They nominated Chase Oliver. And then people were just like, I'm not. I'm not touching it. I'm voting Republican.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. People were just like, wait, oh, I get it now.

[Tim Pool]

The reason why Dave Smith and Clint are hard court anti Israel is they're trying to pull all of the Democrat voters away because Trump's not going to lose his base.

[Angela McArdle]

I could have. There was just barely enough political will. I wouldn't have been able to pull everything I did off, but I could have pulled Chase off the ballot and replaced him with someone else.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Angela McArdle]

Yes.

[Elad White]

With Trump.

[Angela McArdle]

I'm not going to say no. Trust me.

[Elad White]

I tried the Libertarian. Yeah, okay.

[Angela McArdle]

I didn't have the political capital for that, but I was able. There were a couple of other choices as I could have, and it would have hurt President Trump's campaign. Ross might still be in prison. Kennedy would not have gotten his HHS position. Most likely that I would. That would have disrupted that. Like, it would have created the chain reaction that was just garbage. So instead what I did was I continued to work with Trump, continued to work with Kennedy, put on the clown nose for Chase Oliver, just grin and bear it the whole time. People were very angry. I got sued twice over the entire thing. Membership collapsed because Chase Oliver was such a bad candidate. And I said, well, the party elected him. So that's what makes sense.

[Tim Pool]

It all makes sense. Now the Israel posting stuff is going to pull votes from Democrats because Trump is the one who started the war. So anybody who would normally be opposed to this, their choice is Democrat, but now they have another choice, so it's spoiling Libertarian. The Libertarian vote will pull from Democrats, not Republicans.

[Angela McArdle]

At this point, you're probably. Well, I don't know. I don't know until I keep looking at the data all the time and it's just frankly confusing. It's just frankly confusing. Yeah, it's all fake. It's.

[Carter Banks]

What data? What, what's confusing?

[Angela McArdle]

Just polling numbers in different states. So, you know, New Hampshire is a really good. This is going to be a fascinating one. You have Sununu running, not governor, but his, his brother. And he was in the Senate before and was not real crazy about President Trump, and he's running against a Democrat in 20. 20. 14. 2020. I can't recall the exact year. Anyway, Aaron Day ran as a Libertarian SL independent candidate and wrecked the Senate. And he did it like twice in a row to the point that the GOP just gave up in New Hampshire. So now he's announced again that he's running because he wants these people to be free. And he's got some other, you know, like, grievances with like, Howard Lutnick and the Clarity act and so on and so forth. But he's like, if you, if the administration will sort of do like a Ross Ulbricht deal on some of these other crypto prisoners, I'll drop out. And that race seems to be sort of, it's been pretty neck and neck. And Aaron, unlike the typical paper candidate, you know, neckbeard guy, he has, he has money and he can run a campaign that. It'll pull more than 1%. It may pull up to 5%. That would decimate that candidate. The polling there, that data, that's very important to get accurate polling information, to see what's.

[Tim Pool]

I think everything's fake. I think we are, we are, we are post, post truth at this point. Yeah, there's so much faith.

[Angela McArdle]

I agree, but don't.

[Tim Pool]

Here's, here's an example, actually. Let me, let me, let me, I'm going to pull this up for you guys right here. This is, this is a viral video that was going massively viral on X. Laura Loomer posted. Let me get the full, the full post from it from Laura. She said the psyop of Nick Fuentes is now complete. In case you were wondering why the New York Times has begun glorifying him and he has bought it on social media according to Elon Musk. And why he was never arrested over J6 when people who did far less were. He's a Democrat and just admitted to being a moderate Democrat on his show. This is what moderate Democrats look like. Imagine how much worse the woken radical left Democrats are. His sole litmus test is hating Israel. It's been obvious for a while Nick made a deal with Democrats. Now we can all see it. Let me play for you what Nick said and explain to you. Everything is fake. I care about affordability. I care about foreign interventions. I care about the border. I'm a non woke moderate Democrat. I think the GOP needs to be destroyed. I think the corrupt criminal government of Trump needs to be slowed down. We need to impeach the orange. It's time to put this nigger in a peach. Trump needs to be placed inside of a crystal. He needs to be impeached. Love that meme. This fat, orange tiny hands needs to be impeached. And then in 28, no Vance, no Rubio. We have to burn down the whole party. So here's the important context. Actually, Nick is not saying he is a Democrat. He was acting a Democrat. So I got sent this video, I had people saying like, Tim, do you see this? You need to comment on this. Nick is saying is Democrat. I'm like, wow. And I asked people like, did you see this thing? And so the reason why I did not make a segment addressing this is because I'm like, bro, for all I know, Nick Fuentes went, guys, this is what I think Democrats are like, I'm a non woke Democrat, I'm a moderate. Turns out that's exactly what he was doing. He said he, he was basically saying, if you look at the community notes, fans of Nick pointed out, he's not saying I am actually a moderate Democrat. He's saying a moderate Democrat would say something like this. We got to get rid of Trump. He's got to be put in a crystal. He's got to be impeached. He then goes on to actually say after the fact, I would never vote for a Democrat unless they agreed with me. So you know, with all due respect to Laura calling him out because he is anti Trump, this longer clip which everybody, everybody's like, oh look, Nick's admitted it. No, he literally says I would never vote for a Democrat unless they were a Nick Fuentes Democrat, meaning they agree with me. Again, the clarification is he's, he was basically saying, this is what Democrats think. He's. He's making an argument in the midterms. A moderate Democrat is thinking these things. Everything is fake. You see all of these things. They're always trying to take people out of context. And that's why I, you know, I posted on X the other day, actually, let me see. I can pull this up. I posted, for the first time in my life, I'm voting Republican. Democrats have gone too far. Two million views. I posted literally right after it while I'm recording a video. This is gonna be funny. I'm never voting Republican again. I'm voting Democrat. Two million views. And literally to make the point that there are people out there who produce content who know full well. My point was that journalists take these things out of context. They will share whichever they choose to fit their narrative, and then, sure enough, people do. It's all fake. I have no idea what. Like, I shouldn't just say, I. No one actually knows. I will say one more thing. Right now. You've got Tucker Carlson putting out this thing, saying he. It's 56.8 million views per episode. If that were true, he'd be 20 times bigger than Joe Rogan, which it's just not true. What he did was he aggregated all views that he may have got from promo, from shorts, from clips, and then said when they make an episode across every platform and every format, including shorts or otherwise, he gets about 56.8 million. Joe Rogan's probably way higher than that because of how many people are clipping. So this is just not correct. I will say this. The narrative right now being pushed by many people is that if you are in Trump's camp, your viewership is gone. Ben Shapiro's viewership is gone. The Daily Wire just fired half their staff. None of this is true. Everybody's viewership is down in politics because we are in an off season. But I can say this for us. We've had a handful of episodes over a million. We averaged 600, 700,000 on IRL. A few of my morning show episodes, one this week is at 700k. Last week was at 800k. I've got a culture war segment over a million on California. Our views are actually higher now than they were in the previous cycle. It is all fake. Everybody's making things up. And I'll add this one more. These people keep sharing fake videos, different kinds of fake videos. Try editing me. They'll take a statement on the show from somebody saying something like, well, I think Israel did bad. And then they'll pull a completely different clip from different episode of me saying, like, no, no, that one was good. I'm happy it happened. And it's just. They're fake. And for what purpose? People are making fake videos where I defend atrocities committed by Israel. I do not understand their goal, but I will tell you, it's all fake.

[Carter Banks]

It's to make you look like you don't have integrity. Because I think right now, with the age of information, which we've had for 80 years or 60 years since computation, like, now we've got the age of disinformation, the age of obfuscation, where you're trying to trick people with information. And so I think that integrity is probably one of the most. I was thinking integrity is probably one of the most things you could possibly accrue in reality right now. But then I'm like, for what purpose? Like, is it better to, like, live an integral life of being true? And then at the very end, you just deceive everyone for the public good? Like, is that really probably the best tactic?

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, I mean, I think I, you know, Laura Loomer was probably being a little dishonest here. I think so was Nick, and I think there's kind of layers to this. Yeah, he's cosplaying. Like, my comment on it initially was like, is this real? Is this.

[Tim Pool]

Like, I can't blame Nick for this. If I said something like, listen, this midterm is going to come up and they're going to be independent voters who look at this, look at these voting things and go, listen, I do not like Donald Trump. I do not like J.D. vance. But Democrats have gone insane. Who do I vote for? I said that kind of stuff all the time. Now someone. We actually literally pointed this out. What was the segment recently where I said I could say something like, I'm. What did I say? You said he got, like, a call from Trump, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, the media's lying about everything, and people pull things out of context intentionally. Like I could say right now, I actually got a call from Donald Trump before he called out Candace Owens and Carlson, and he said, thank you, Tim, for being such a great supporter. To which I responded, trump, I'd support you even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue and he laughed, He's a good guy. And then, sure enough, all of these Israel posters spam blasted that clip out.

[Carter Banks]

Here's what I wonder about. Integrity. Because being honest, being truthful, what does it really even matter? Because AI is going to make deepfakes of you lying and like, deepfakes of me.

[Angela McArdle]

Lying matters. I mean, yeah, I think it matters. I think it matters probably for the moral fabric of society. I think what Nick is doing here is, yes, he's doing the thing that he says, which is like cosplaying, but he's. It's also mixed in with him saying things like vote Kamala, vote. Like he knows that it's going to be clipped out of context.

[Tim Pool]

And probably, of course, I literally said it would too.

[Angela McArdle]

Probably derives a little bit of enjoyment from that chaos.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Angela McArdle]

And I would.

[Tim Pool]

I think there's a moral philosophy here that people need to reconcile and that is you are no longer actually going to sell. There are efforts to limit your reach to certain groups of people by falsely maligning you through AI and through edited clips. You can't change it. I'll give you another example. Mehdi Hassan debated Michael Knowles and he asked Michael Knowles if he supported Trump pardoning neo Nazis and pedophiles on J6. Because the point is the people who support Mehdi Hassan just want fuel to be able to go. Michael Knowles supports pedophiles.

[Angela McArdle]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

So Michael Knowles says, I oppose pedophilia, I oppose assaulting police officers. And then Medi Hasan says he won't answer the question. The liberals get whatever they want, no matter what. Sam Cedar came on the culture war and then asked me a hypothetical about conservative issues on abortion. I explained I was pro choice. He starts screaming at me, yelling about how I'm pro life and I'm sitting here confused like I'm pro choice. And then once he's done ranting, he goes, oh, I just want to get a clip. It literally just faked the whole thing because he knows his audience does not care. It's all fake. Like Candace Owens, her lawyers work in a building with federal agents and her top lawyer was an award winning Zionist. Her family is apparently heavily invested in companies in Israel and Tel Aviv.

[Elad White]

And.

[Tim Pool]

And Laura Loomer is dropping all of this stuff.

[Elad White]

Look, to be fair, with Zionism, you win. So I'd understand why she wanted a Zionist lawyer.

[Tim Pool]

Because she wanted a good one. But it's funny how she comes out and attacks Israel while again, according to Laura Loomer, her family is heavily invested in Israeli companies in Tel Aviv. Again, her lawyers work in a building with federal agents. Weird. And the people who follow her. The point is, when she says debacle and Kerflaffel, it's intentional. It's the Nigerian email scam. You say dumb things to intentionally weed out smart people.

[Elad White]

Oh, I haven't thought of it like that.

[Tim Pool]

So. So let me explain the Nigerian email scams. Hey, I'm a Nigerian prince, but I'm trapped and I need a thousand dollars. Then I can send you a million. They're intentionally grammatically incorrect with spelling errors. Now midwits hit the email and they go, this spelled payment wrong. I'm not falling for this X. They intentionally spell things wrong because they know people of moderate intelligence will not send you money and waste your time.

[Angela McArdle]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

They make more money being stupid because stupid people don't notice they're being scammed.

[Elad White]

Yeah. I will say, Nick, though, the thing I hate the most about Fuentes is he has so much charisma, man. He has Riz. I can't. I'm not gonna lie.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I'm sorry.

[Elad White]

I like Nicker. He's probably one of the better podcasters as far as his tone, pacing, attention to detail goes.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Elad White]

You just have to hope he.

[Tim Pool]

Like, he has many bad opinions, frankly, but he has many. He has many opinions I don't like. I do not agree with him on largely on issues of race and. But he made a few important points. One, he called out Candace Owens for lying.

[Angela McArdle]

That's good.

[Tim Pool]

But he also pointed something else out recently. Tucker Carlson meets with heads of state in Middle Eastern countries. This is not something a podcaster does. This is something a government actor does. Tucker Carlson is not just some journalist or podcaster. He is of worldly affairs, negotiating and cuttingback or deals and advising a back room.

[Carter Banks]

Not on his show.

[Tim Pool]

Not on his show.

[Carter Banks]

Because we've had, like, Dominic Tarzinski on here, Polish.

[Tim Pool]

That's fine.

[Carter Banks]

Or whatever.

[Tim Pool]

The point he was making is that your run of the mill podcast, there's nothing flying to Qatar or Saudi Arabia and meeting with the premier in private to make, you know, in private meetings, discussing strategy. He's not going to the White House to meet with the President. Tucker Carlson is not just some podcaster. Now, again, whatever the implication I get from that, that's an astute point about who people are consuming their media from, especially when it says things like, I'm tormented for supporting Trump. And as a brother immediately goes, maybe Miriam Adelson's money was for a reason. He goes. Because he always knew what that money was for. So I think Nick makes a lot of really great points. And again, I think the reason so many young men listen to him is he's got a worldview on race, particularly that I think I would Describe as largely incorrect. But he hits a few points that speaks to a lot of young people particularly I know where he grew up. He grew up a few miles away from where I grew up and Jimmy Dore. In fact I don't know if Jimmy grew up there but where Jimmy lived when we were all young. I know why Nick feels the way he does about a lot of these racial issues and it's going to speak to a lot of young men. I don't completely agree with them. I largely disagree. But he's got some points I will say too.

[Elad White]

He's also funny. He's very funny and a lot more funny than a lot of the self proclaimed comedians whose jokes I've never heard of. But this guy's like.

[Tim Pool]

And I'm sorry that video where he hurricane kicked that woman, did you see that one? Remember when that woman came to his door, it turns out he didn't just pepper spray her, he actually ninja kicked her.

[Carter Banks]

Oh no, I did see that video. I didn't know he kicked.

[Tim Pool]

Well that's how you shove.

[Elad White]

I saw this.

[Angela McArdle]

That's how you have to treat people.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, you're all wrong. You're all wrong. Let me pull it up.

[Elad White]

You about to pull up an AI video.

[Tim Pool]

Well who's. What we talking about?

[Carter Banks]

Oh that's cool. Is it this martial artist? I mean if Nick starts doing martial arts he's going to be. He's going to go alpha.

[Elad White]

You got to hope he just gets

[Angela McArdle]

tired of better on his economics.

[Elad White]

Hopefully just gets tired of losing and then understands with Zionism you win. I think there's time for him to, to come over to the bright side. I think he knows more about Judaism probably than I do and he's going to keep learning and eventually he's going to come completely enthralled with it and then I think we'll want to convert. I think this is a long path. I think that dude towards an infatuation turning into a conversion.

[Carter Banks]

I mean I don't think he's. I don't know man. People weaponize religion and make militaries out of it and countries out.

[Tim Pool]

It's just.

[Carter Banks]

That's not what it's for.

[Tim Pool]

This is actually really. I can only find the real video. I'm trying to find the funny video.

[Carter Banks]

Religion.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Have you guys seen the funny video?

[Angela McArdle]

I mean I thought the real video was kind of funny.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, he just went right at her. He like, like a head down.

[Angela McArdle]

That's exactly how I would react if some psychotic stalker was at my front

[Carter Banks]

Some lady was banging on his door, had it, and he opened it. She like, put something. Did she put a camera in his face or something?

[Tim Pool]

She was filming, right?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, he just. Just knocked her on the ground and pepper in a paper sprayed her and then knocked her on the ground or knocked on the ground. Pepper sprayed her.

[Elad White]

People like, Nick attacked him.

[Carter Banks]

And it's like, bro, she was.

[Elad White]

I also think there was something. Something so messed up about like, you know, he had such an aggressive beef with Charlie Kirk. Prior to his killing, he used to all over Turning Point usa.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I found it. I found it, I found it.

[Elad White]

His peers out there.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. I can't believe how long it took me to find this video. All right, so you've seen the video, right? The woman comes to his door.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Well, watch what he did.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Carter Banks]

Wait, wait.

[Tim Pool]

He hooked her. Oh, it again.

[Carter Banks]

And then he re time and did it again.

[Elad White]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Tim Pool]

Get over here. So it. The. The real video, he just shoves her. I'm like, I saw this video going everywhere.

[Carter Banks]

Spray her and.

[Tim Pool]

But come on. Like, this is hilarious.

[Elad White]

You know, I mean, 500.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, he's a superstar.

[Angela McArdle]

It's just more evidence of like, the great disparity between genders because he is not here guy. And he's still able to knock her.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the. Here's the actual video. Here, watch this.

[Carter Banks]

So she's been at his door for what he.

[Tim Pool]

Well, hold on, I gotta. I wanna put the sound on it.

[Carter Banks]

It's a little. I don't know what she was doing, how long she was there.

[Tim Pool]

Nice watch.

[Angela McArdle]

Hi. Oh, my God. What are you doing? What are you doing? What do you think?

[Elad White]

I think it's pepper spray. Shoved tips. Your phone, maybe?

[Angela McArdle]

What do you think?

[Tim Pool]

I think he might have. I'm on Nick's side on this one, so totally the issue is that his house was surrounded by people and he was getting a bunch of death threats. He hears a doorbell. He hears his bell ring. When he goes up, he sees a woman holding her phone up. And I'm sorry, like, I have. I understand the position of having thousands of death threats sent your way. And then we have people show up here in the middle of the night. We've been shot at. All Nick did was shove her off his porch.

[Carter Banks]

We pepper sprayed her and shoved her off.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying, like, he didn't permanently injure.

[Carter Banks]

And I think if he'd walk towards her and then hit her, he might be in jail right now. But he didn't. He walked towards her got. Whatever that thing was in the.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, I'm going to tell everybody this right now. There's a reason why I think Nick should hire security for his house. I don't know if he's still in that same property. I will just warn everybody right now, if you try breaking out his property, you will die. That. There's just not a question about it. I can't remember, was it Alex Stein who mentioned the guy walking around with the AR15? Yeah. And I'm like, well, like, normally we don't talk about that stuff. He was like, I saw a guy walking around with an air. A guy. So normally we just say, we don't talk about our security measures here. But for your safety, if you try to illegally enter this property, they're not going to ask you questions about why you're doing it. This is West Virginia. So my point is, I think Nick did the bare minimum.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Many people were like, he should have. Just let me, let me give you a scenario. People are like, well, he shouldn't have answered the door. What if she started to fire?

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah. No.

[Tim Pool]

What if she was going to spray something on the door?

[Angela McArdle]

She's the.

[Tim Pool]

He's getting death threats.

[Angela McArdle]

She's the aggressor. She's the aggressor. If you're a woman approaching a man's door to harass him, you're being very stupid. Men are stronger than women. And. And if they're getting death threats, like

[Tim Pool]

what we had, we had a security incident I can't describe because it's easily weaponized. What someone did that forced the evacuation of our studio is. Is comparable to what this was, what this woman was doing. If this woman walked up on the ring camera. I'll just put it like this with. I, I guess I have to describe this now. It's not exactly what happened to us, but let me describe it. If that woman walked up, rang the doorbell and dropped a black plastic cube.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let me explain this. You're like, this makes no sense. If she went to a. Got a 3D printer, printed a 8 inch by 8 inch black cube, walked up, rang the doorbell and put it on the ground, they'd have to call the bomb squad.

[Angela McArdle]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

So when she's on his porch and he sees in the ring cam is holding an object, so he sprays her and shoves her off his porch, that's the minimum. And I would argue he needs security and should call the police immediately. The problem is they're not going to do anything. But I will say this again. We don't really have to deal with this right now because the way our security is currently set up and the mention of a single man with an AR15 believe. 5, 5, 6. But. However, it's as simple as I'm not going. There's a. There is a. There's a technique that is utilized by many of these people that is easily replicated for $10 that triggers not just the bomb squad, but a detonation, like serious stuff that is very easy to do, which I won't describe how to do. It is not too dissimilar to what we are seeing in this video.

[Elad White]

Nick.

[Tim Pool]

If Nick were to have called the police and said, a strange woman is on my porch holding a strange object, the cops would have pulled up with their guns drawn on her.

[Angela McArdle]

Totally.

[Tim Pool]

So again, I'm on Nick's side on this one. I think he actually beat the charges and now she's suing him or something. I don't know.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I heard he didn't get charged.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, he should.

[Tim Pool]

He was arrested in charge. I think he got dropped.

[Angela McArdle]

It's gross. You can't be charged for defending yourself when people are threatening to murder you.

[Carter Banks]

I guess it depends on the city and the state you're in. Like, are you allowed to pepper spray someone on your front porch holding up an object?

[Tim Pool]

I got. It happened like a couple years ago or two years, something like that. We got to go to Rumble Rants and super chats because I was off on a tangent on this Nick thing. Smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. And make sure you go to cast brew.com and pick up the Mother's Day bundle. You got to get it quick. I know it's a little late because we're only. We're only a few days away, but look at that. You got the Caspru Vault, black, cold brew concentrate, Appalachian nights and golden hour. And sometimes mom just needs a good cup of coffee, you know, There's a lot of work to be a mom. It's one of the most. One of strenuous jobs. I gotta tell you. It's a full time job with no

[Carter Banks]

breaks, little caffeine to get it loose. Hey, I got a comment from swansong. 70 says can she talk now? Tim, I think people like you. Angela. I'm glad you're here.

[Tim Pool]

I think Angela's been talking the whole day.

[Carter Banks]

I know, but you probably talk more.

[Elad White]

I've been trying to.

[Tim Pool]

My daughter. Huh? My daughter. Is she talking? Yeah.

[Elad White]

Is your daughter talking?

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Elad White]

Oh, she is.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh, nice.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. But I mean, like, baby talk. A year. It's been a year. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

No, no, I think they were saying, can Angela talk more? Because it was a funny comment.

[Angela McArdle]

Ambiguous, ambiguous.

[Carter Banks]

That was a total non sequitur. The comment was like, can she talk? I think you're talking about Angela. Like, you must have been talking while you're like, I want to hear Angela say something. I don't know, whatever got.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there was one period for. For like 15 minutes. These comments are always just like it's a meme or something. Yes, but I don't. Anyway, says my daughter is, in fact talking, and she's. She's. She's learning to weaponize.

[Carter Banks]

What was her first word?

[Tim Pool]

I think it was hello.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh, very nice.

[Elad White]

That's adorable. Yeah, she's beginning to weaponize.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah?

[Carter Banks]

What do you mean by that?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, deceive. Well, I mean, she just started saying words. So my wife melts when she hears mama. Oh, yeah. And so when baby wants something and she's going. And then, you know, my wife is like, hold on, I'm getting. She goes, mama. And then my wife's like, I've seen her make. It's a run over where it's like,

[Carter Banks]

how do you defend yourself? Like, some faces, it's just.

[Tim Pool]

She will have to. But she looks at me and she's in her play area. We have, like, a play area set up with, like, the special foam floor or whatever and toys. And then she's standing there and she's holding onto it because she's, like, starting to walk. And she looks at me and she's just babbling. And I'm sitting on the couch. I was watching. I'm watching the five. You know, I got. I got to get my gut filled in. And. And then I'm just like, is there something you need? And then she just babbles and I say, you can say dada. And then she goes, dada. And I'm like, okay. And then I got it. I get up and I pick her up. Well, because we wanted to understand. We want to reinforce the use of the words. But you said backpack.

[Angela McArdle]

Oh, very nice.

[Tim Pool]

Very nice. Yeah, because we don't actually enunciate the cuz in backpack. It's just backpack. So all she has to do is

[Carter Banks]

go back and she knows, like, you show her the backpack.

[Tim Pool]

And she knows backpack. Alison pointed to it and she went backpack. And she looked up and went backpack. And we were like, let's go. Nice. Soupy says, I'm a fan of a lot, but I have A question for you, brother. If the Libertarians didn't help Trump win and it was just him, then did Charlie Kirk and TPSA help her? No.

[Elad White]

Yes. Charlie. Comparing turning points impacts on the election to the Libertarians impact is dumb, frankly. No offense. I just think turning point a much bigger impact across the country. Very clear. And obviously I think again, the Libertarians didn't really move the needle here. Thank you for the nice words, though.

[Angela McArdle]

The president literally told me I got to get the vote. Joe Jorgensen, she cost me the vote.

[Elad White]

He was running for president, so I think it makes sense that he was trying to tell everybody that. And politicians lie to people to try to gain and I mean, I hope he gave you a very warm feeling because you did end up, you know, helping him out.

[Carter Banks]

The Libertarian Party swung it. They swung the election, did they?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it was coalition effort in there.

[Angela McArdle]

Everybody.

[Tim Pool]

But they put a lot of people

[Elad White]

in a lot of different positions. Did any.

[Carter Banks]

It was rfk.

[Tim Pool]

He drew like RFK got the suburban women on Trump's side, which people largely credit for Trump's victory. Indeed. And the reason, the reason, the reason why Candace Owens has been attacking Trump is because she's intentionally pulling suburban women away from the Republican Party.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, there were a lot of backroom

[Elad White]

deals that I think Libertarians won't take credit for. I guess you guys are responsible for electing the president. Turning points you guys are responsible for now then everything that comes with that

[Tim Pool]

just respond with de facto responsible for

[Elad White]

the Iran war also sturgeonly. So I appreciate and thank you just

[Angela McArdle]

like all my Libertarian Party members.

[Tim Pool]

Let's get some more in here. All right. Federalist Patriots. As TIM Afghanistan was absolutely a failure. Iraq is a far better place today. Look up vids of Westerners who have visited Baghdad. Yes, our pockets of bad people. But we have the same issue in USA D.C. pineapple says jumping jacks, aka side straddle hops. Have you guys seen that video? Can we pull that up?

[Angela McArdle]

I want to see it.

[Tim Pool]

It's the Iraqi side street.

[Carter Banks]

It's. It's wide eye widening. The world is not.

[Tim Pool]

Let's see if we can find during the day.

[Carter Banks]

If you're an American, there's a lot of weirdness out there.

[Tim Pool]

Is this, is this. It maybe looks. I don't know. It might be. But let's see what happens if it loads.

[Angela McArdle]

I like the crouching and hopping.

[Tim Pool]

This guy's got it like partial burpees. It seems like most of them have it.

[Angela McArdle]

This is wild because this is a kindergarten exercise. Literally for 12 year olds.

[Tim Pool]

Well, what people need to understand is that if the neural pathways are not developed at a young age, they cannot develop. That's for example, when they find. They found a young girl in a basement of a house. She had been kept there her whole life and never learned to talk. She could only say a few grunts. She could say things like food, hungry. There was also the story of that young girl who escaped and had been kept in the basement with her brothers. And she had difficulty communicating with people outside because she never developed the neural pathways when they try. And later there's a story of a young girl that never learned to talk and was basically abused and left outside her whole life. When they brought her, rescued her and tried teaching her words, she could only learn like single things like eat, sleep, but she couldn't communicate effectively.

[Carter Banks]

You need. Well, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

There's another reason. There's a reason why some people can live in the United States for 20 years and never get rid of their accent.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Their neural pathways do not alter. They don't have the capability to speak differently and they can't pronounce certain letters. It is always baffling to me that there are Asian people who can't say Ls, and some Asian people can say ours. So I can't remember which country it is. What is it like in Japan they can't say Ls, they say RA. But in, in China they can't say ours. They say else.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, it's kind of like an in between sound.

[Carter Banks]

Wrong time.

[Tim Pool]

It's. It's weird because wrong time law just like put the tongue in type of mouth and go. So I had a Spanish friend and she used to call me team. And. And I was like, I didn't really care. She would just say, team, do you

[Angela McArdle]

want to go get something to eat?

[Tim Pool]

And I'd be like, sure. Because it's like, whatever. I understand what you're saying.

[Angela McArdle]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

One day we were hanging out and then I was like, can you say, can you pronounce my name with like an American accent? And she's like, what do you mean? And I said, my name is not team. That would be spelled T E E T E E M or T E A M. My name is T im. It's an eh, not an E. And she goes, eh. And I'm like, right, so go tuh. She goes tuh. And I go, now go I. She goes eh. And I go, ma. She goes ma. And I go, tuh, eh, ma. And she goes, taeem. She just Couldn't say it. It's funny. Could not say it.

[Carter Banks]

I hung out with a Chinese girl. That was a lot of fun trying to figure out each other's accents because they have that tonal language where they have these four distinct tones that are, like, embedded in their psyche. And we have millions of. Like. We don't have a tonal language. Like, they do. We have our.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we do.

[Carter Banks]

No, it's not. Technically, English isn't tonal. It's not considered a tonal language.

[Tim Pool]

Well, if you're speaking generally, like, we have sarcasm.

[Carter Banks]

That's our version of tone.

[Tim Pool]

No, but we do use tone.

[Elad White]

Correct.

[Carter Banks]

But it doesn't change the definition of what we say. It's not supposed to. Unless you're using sarcasm. Like, oh, yeah, right. Like, that changes it. But in China, literally, if you say a word like this or like this, it has two different Completely meaning.

[Tim Pool]

That's true in English as well. Not tech. Like, really?

[Carter Banks]

If I say what? Really think this or you think this, I mean the same thing. But in China, those would mean.

[Elad White]

I don't think you're explaining the. Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

You're saying, like, it can be dog or cat.

[Angela McArdle]

Yes.

[Elad White]

Yes, exactly.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Japanese has something similar, too, where you can accidentally call someone their grandma if you're trying to order a pizza or. It's like, there's things like that on. Like, the length of a vowel sound can change things. However you're. You're saying, full words could be based on the tone. We do use tone, but I understand what you're saying. We're not a tonal language, but meaning is derived from. From tone. There's a thing in sales where they talk about Uptones and downtones, and that's why you never end on Uptones, because it sounds like you're asking a question.

[Carter Banks]

That's very Canadian.

[Tim Pool]

Really? Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Really Gonna sit over there, then.

[Tim Pool]

So I love inflection, too, in English. You ever see that inflection point where it's like, if you add emphasis on any one of these words, it changes the meaning totally. I never. It's like, I never said she could have my car. I never said she could have my car. I never said she could have my car. I never said you could have my car. Yeah, I never said she could have my car. Yeah, exactly. Where you draw the word out changes the entire meaning of the sentence.

[Carter Banks]

Mike Myers was saying he's a Canadian. He was saying the Canadian tilt or whatever he called it. He's like, you talk like this, and then you talk like this, and Then you talk like this, and then you talk like this, and that indicates that it's their turn to talk. When you go down at the end.

[Tim Pool]

We have that too, I think.

[Elad White]

We do.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's called downtones. So it's very important when you're ending a train of thought that you. You wind things down so that people know your thought is coming to a close. Most people don't understand this. Do you know about the. The. The order of the structure of a sentence in terms of adverbs, adjectives? You ever see this? What about it? Everybody knows that if you saw a. Let's say there's a rabbit, it is very large, and it is the color brown. You would say a big, brown rabbit. You would not say a brown, big rabbit. That's improper English.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Most people can. If you give someone a series of adjectives, adverbs, and a noun, they will structure it properly. But when you ask them the order, they won't be able to tell you.

[Carter Banks]

And then in Spanish, it's the rabbit brown. You say the brown rabbit in English. In Spanish, it's the rabbit brown.

[Tim Pool]

You identify the object and then describe it. Yeah, but the point is, when we would say, like a large, hairy, fast rabbit, there is an order to the description of the rabbit that has to be proper, whether it's the adverb or the adjective. And so it's actually really fascinating. Let me pull this up.

[Carter Banks]

Describes the adjectives. So you're like.

[Angela McArdle]

Sounds weird and wrong. Otherwise you're like, what is wrong with you? Why did you say that? Sounds weird and wrong.

[Carter Banks]

Like if I was like if, say, a superiorly fat rabbit.

[Tim Pool]

Check it out. Check it out.

[Carter Banks]

Is the adverb.

[Tim Pool]

This is crazy.

[Carter Banks]

Is the adjective.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so it's called osascomp opinion. Size, age, shape, color, origin, material purpose is the English structure for description that has to be followed. Everyone knows it. Everybody knows it. My beautiful, big. My beautiful, big, old, round, red Italian leather running shoes, as opposed to my red Italian big running, old leather, round shoes.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah. That's bizarre.

[Tim Pool]

Is it?

[Carter Banks]

Because they're going in a deescalative alphabetical order. They're going from A to Z.

[Tim Pool]

A lovely, small, young, black cat. A black, lovely, young, small cat. I can't. I can't say. Hard to say.

[Angela McArdle]

It is hard to say it.

[Tim Pool]

That's wild. Not every sentence uses all categories, but the order still follows.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, it feels like there's maybe two that you can switch up every now and then, but there's clearly ones you just cannot switch up. You cannot. That's a strange. That's a strange thing.

[Tim Pool]

Good.

[Carter Banks]

Good chat. Whatever.

[Tim Pool]

There's also like a bunch of phrases that make no sense that we say every day. Like used to.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. And the fly.

[Tim Pool]

The animal.

[Carter Banks]

A fly. Why do they call it that?

[Tim Pool]

Because it flies. But that's a name. But think about this.

[Carter Banks]

It's a verb.

[Tim Pool]

I. I have a car. What's a good way of used to? Like what? I used to use this every morning. I used to. How do you look that up in the dictionary? Used. I used two cars.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I used.

[Tim Pool]

Didn't you used to go running?

[Carter Banks]

I used to.

[Tim Pool]

Used to.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I used to go running. That's how I say I used to use that thing.

[Elad White]

What.

[Angela McArdle]

What would you say in place of that? I don't even know.

[Tim Pool]

All delightful, tiny, brand new, triangular, bright yellow Japanese origami folding papers, some lovely small vintage square pastel pink Korean rice wrapping sheets. I don't understand. And those amazing huge, antique, cylindrical, shiny silver Chinese lacquered storage boxes were neatly arranged on the wide wooden shelves of the cozy neighborhood craft store that opened last month on Maple Street.

[Carter Banks]

But instead of saying Chinese lacquered storage boxes, I could have said lacquered Chinese storage boxes. I don't think it would change the definition of the. Of the sentence. But I got to understand more about what you were claiming there and what you were explaining because with what? How this. The structure of these sentences and how they have to be a certain way and they follow a pattern.

[Tim Pool]

There is in English.

[Carter Banks]

Waste time on the show doing it in English.

[Tim Pool]

You are. There is a structure to descriptors in English that everyone follows and can naturally follow. Hasn't been taught. Just instinctively learned through learning English and also can't describe properly. And that is opinion, size, age, shape, color, origin, material and purpose. A brick. A big brown bunny. Not a brown, big bunny.

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah. Okay. Loud, fat, obnoxious bald guy.

[Elad White]

What?

[Angela McArdle]

How would it be better, Tim?

[Carter Banks]

Pool.

[Elad White]

Yeah, close, but loud on your opinion too.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you can say disgusting. Loud, fat.

[Angela McArdle]

I feel like I got too loud. Here's why. Because bald guy seems like it goes together more than the others. Loud, fat, obnoxious. I feel like two of those are out of place.

[Carter Banks]

Loud, bald, fat, obnoxious guy.

[Tim Pool]

We're gonna grab one more and then we gotta go to the uncensored portion of the show. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Says, Tim, that CKY meme for Jess is hilarious. If you want to see it, it'll be on the uncensored portion of the [e-mail] Timcast IRL you can follow me on X and Instagram at timcast. Angela, do you want to shout anything out?

[Angela McArdle]

Yeah, absolutely. We're holding an event talking about the bitcoin prisoners. We're going to be interviewing some of the their wives and loved ones. Lynn Ulbricht will be there. The attorneys will be there. I'll be there. Mises bitcoinball.com join us in grand Rapids during the Libertarian National Convention and shout out to those guys, you know, cryptoprisoners.com you can find me on x@real angelamc

[Carter Banks]

this is actually really important. We have.

[Tim Pool]

We are over time.

[Carter Banks]

A lot of these crypto guys have been overcharged. It was a muddy area for a decade. So I'm with you on this. We really need to go into this. I'm Ian Crossland. Follow me on the Internet.

[Elad White]

Thanks for tuning in, everybody. Thanks for listening to me. BNM bitch and moan about communism for an hour. I'm a lot Eliahoo. You can find me on social media.

[Tim Pool]

Aladaliyah who fascinating conversation.

[Carter Banks]

I really enjoyed it. You can find me at Carter Banks everywhere.

[Tim Pool]

And let's get into the after show. We'll see you [e-mail] timcastirl right now. Thanks for hanging out.