FEMA Ordered NOT To Help Trump Supporters After Hurricane Milton w/Matt Walsh

Summary

Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL – "FEMA Ordered NOT To Help Trump Supporters After Hurricane Milton w/Matt Walsh"

Release Date: November 9, 2024
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guest: Matt Walsh

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1. Introduction and Main Story

Tim Pool opens the episode by presenting a startling report from the Daily Wire, which claims that a FEMA official directed relief workers to bypass homes displaying Trump signs during Hurricane Milton in Florida. This directive allegedly prevented Trump supporters, predominantly residing in a Republican-leaning area, from receiving essential federal aid.

"[00:28] Matt Walsh: I don't want the liberals to be."

Tim emphasizes the gravity of the situation, highlighting potential government overreach and the politicization of disaster relief efforts.

2. Details of FEMA's Alleged Directive

Tim Pool delves deeper into the Daily Wire's exclusive, explaining that internal FEMA communications instructed relief teams to avoid homes advertising Trump, effectively denying federal assistance to these households. This directive was reportedly issued shortly before the elections, raising concerns about political manipulation of disaster responses.

"[05:02] Tim Pool: Here's the story from the Daily Wire Exclusive. FEMA official ordered relief workers to skip Houses with Trump Signs."

3. Implications and Reactions

Matt Walsh and co-hosts discuss the legal and ethical implications of FEMA's actions. They argue that withholding aid based on political affiliation violates multiple laws and undermines trust in federal institutions.

"[06:21] Seamus Coughlin: Yeah, I wonder if they're going to come up with some kind of rationalization like people with Trump signs outside their homes are more likely to be unfriendly and own firearms and we're afraid of them."

Phil Labonte reinforces the systemic nature of such biases, drawing parallels to past incidents like IRS scandals, suggesting that political persecution within federal agencies is a recurring issue.

"[09:02] Phil Labonte: Just deny it. Obviously, none of us here are surprised. Obviously, this is something that is honest, it's standard."

4. Broader Political Context

The conversation shifts to the broader landscape of political accountability and the ongoing legal challenges facing former President Trump. Matt Walsh expresses skepticism about the motivations behind Special Counsel Jack Smith's actions, suggesting they are attempts to impede Trump's electoral prospects.

"[07:25] Matt Walsh: Yeah, but in this case, first of all, this violates, like, a dozen laws to withhold federal aid from people based on their politics. That. That's so illegal."

5. Media Bias and Messaging Challenges

The panel critiques the media's handling of Trump-related news, accusing mainstream outlets of bias and misinformation. They lament the lack of influential conservative voices in media, contrasting figures like Joe Rogan with what they perceive as the left's inability to produce engaging, relatable content without overt political messaging.

"[33:15] Seamus Coughlin: I will sometimes have people try to fact check my cartoons. It's like, okay, right."

Matt Walsh discusses the challenges conservatives face in media representation, emphasizing the need for authentic and relatable content to effectively communicate their message.

"[40:17] Matt Walsh: And they're admitting their people suck."

6. Cultural and Social Issues

The hosts touch upon cultural battles, particularly focusing on masculinity, education, and media influence. They argue that the left imposes narrow definitions of gender and creativity, hindering authentic expression and alienating certain voter demographics.

"[57:19] Seamus Coughlin: Yeah. Well, dude, I mean, under Project 2025, wives do the grocery shopping. That's right."

7. Economic Concerns and Voter Behavior

Tim Pool highlights economic grievances, such as rising prices (e.g., butter), as significant factors influencing voter sentiment. The hosts argue that while the media fixates on sensational narratives like Project 2025, the average voter is more concerned with tangible economic issues.

"[47:25] Tim Pool: They mock these, the working class people on these shows."

8. Legal Developments and Trump's Political Future

The discussion returns to legal matters, with Tim Pool mentioning that Special Counsel Jack Smith is dropping charges against Trump, interpreting this as a sign of fear and potential vindictiveness within the Department of Justice.

"[78:57] Tim Pool: Let's jump to this story from Fox News. Special counsel Jack Smith moves to drop Trump election interference case."

9. Closing Remarks and Community Engagement

As the episode concludes, Tim Pool promotes community engagement through memberships and Discord, encouraging listeners to support the show and join the broader movement.

"[127:50] Tim Pool: ... we got a couple hours left, but if you go to cast brew.com and use promo code victory, all caps, you get 30% off."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Tim Pool on FEMA's actions:
  "[05:02] Tim Pool: Here's the story from the Daily Wire Exclusive. FEMA official ordered relief workers to skip Houses with Trump Signs."

• Matt Walsh on legality:
  "[07:25] Matt Walsh: Yeah, but in this case, first of all, this violates, like, a dozen laws to withhold federal aid from people based on their politics. That. That's so illegal."

• Seamus Coughlin on media bias:
  "[33:03] Seamus Coughlin: Yeah. It's like cheat the theory says that we all have our own truth so when you disagree, you're not even wrong because you're just in your own fantasy world."

• Phil Labonte on historical bias:
  "[09:29] Phil Labonte: The idea that there's not political persecution there's not Bias from Washington D.C."

• Matt Walsh on media representation:
  "[57:19] Seamus Coughlin: Yeah. Well, dude, I mean, under Project 2025, wives do the grocery shopping. That's right."

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Conclusion

This episode of Timcast IRL presents a critical examination of alleged political biases within federal agencies, particularly FEMA, and explores the broader implications for democracy and voter trust. Through sharp analysis and candid discussions with guest Matt Walsh, the hosts unravel the complexities of media influence, political strategy, and socio-economic concerns shaping the current political landscape.

Listeners are encouraged to engage with the community, support the show, and remain vigilant about the intersection of politics and federal operations.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

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[Ian Crossland]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Phil Labonte]

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[Tim Pool]

To you by the fda. In a shocking new report, the Daily Wire has an exclusive. A FEMA official ordered relief workers to skip houses that were advocating for Donald Trump. This is taxpayer dollars and Hurricane Milton relief for people in a largely Republican area, largely Trump supporting area were not getting the aid they need because officials said do not help Trump supporters. I mean, that is just massive. And it's kind of crazy we didn't hear about this sooner, but we're hearing about it now. And the response from a lot of people is Donald Trump, whatever his mandate was, he needs to take extremely seriously. And we're going to need real accountability because we got to get to the bottom of things like this. We'll talk about that. Plus special counsel Jack Smith is dropping the charges and being ordered to preserve his records. So let's talk about what this means, what accountability is. We'll get into all that stuff. And of course cast brew.com now as cast Brew is our company here and we're sponsoring ourselves, I can say whatever I want about it. It's the best coffee you will ever have and that is a guarantee because I'm allowed to say that legally. I guess it's an opinion statement or something. But we're sold out of Ian's graphene dream. Yo. Ian figured out one of our top selling coffees. I don't know how he did it but he did and I'm sorry it's sold out. However, you can still check out stand you'd grounds which is largely popular and Appalachia Nights is very popular. People seem to like it. For those that wanted to step on snack and find out skateboards, they are now in [e-mail] but we also have stickers. Step on snack and find out. Stickers are selling like hotcakes. Apparently people buy a lot of pancakes and you can buy our stickers too. Support the show. Also becoming a member. At Timcast.com we have a Discord server. As a member of the Discord server you get to hang out with tens of thousands of people. So for everybody who's saying, hey, how do I get involved? How do I make friends, meet people and be a part of these this movement? One way is support this show by being a member. Join the Discord community. And there there are members shows, pre shows, after shows and I think it's tremendously worth it. We always have the members saying, hey, Tim, you know, shout this out so we can make friends. They all, they all want to be friends with you and it supports the show. But also, don't forget to smash that, like, button. Share the show right now with everyone. You know, become a member. As I mentioned, joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Matt Walsh.

[Matt Walsh]

Great to be here. It's. It's strange to be here doing your show and I could just walk next door from my office. Usually I have to like hike on horseback through the mountains for 14 hours to get to your studio. So this is, this is kind of nice. The only. Go ahead.

[Tim Pool]

Honestly, there's something about making people work for it.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I can see that. I can see you got to earn it. I did miss. I missed the Pappy's, didn't I?

[Tim Pool]

You missed the Pap.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm sorry.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

You guys drink bottle.

[Tim Pool]

I polished it off, I think a lot. Had like a quarter of the bottle.

[Ian Crossland]

We were celebrating. Good reason to.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You should have been here.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, I was. You. You told me on Tuesday morning about the Pappies and I wanted to come over from the backstage show. They wouldn't let me leave. I was like chained to the freaking wow Chair. They wouldn't let me leave. Wow.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man. Daily Wire, all slave drivers.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, we have the Daily Wire expose going on.

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, the stories I could tell.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Matt Walsh]

Only we weren't here.

[Tim Pool]

Only, only. Well, that's going to be fun, man. Thanks for hanging out. Seamus is hanging out.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes. We just released a video today that people are loving. It's called we are so Back. I think you guys are going to enjoy that. It's a lot of fun. Actually. I was scrambling to get it finished because Tim and I came up with a pretty funny ending. Maybe like an hour, two hours before it was supposed to go up. And I had to slap it together really quickly. But I think it turned out really, really well.

[Tim Pool]

It's worth it because whenever these things happen, Shaman and I are just like giggling back and forth and laughing at these ideas. And it's. It's so worth it. The ending, the secret ending is so worth it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's so. You got to stay through. It's like. I like to consider it a cinematic universe. We have like our Marvel Avengers ending after the credits.

[Tim Pool]

I really do think you have to make like a three minute short film combining all of the cartoons, all of the.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, we did Last year for Christmas we did like an 11 minute long cartoon where journalists reviewing the J6 tapes find that Santa was riding in the Capitol. And that was our Christmas special. It's really good. I would recommend everybody check that one out.

[Tim Pool]

Around the holidays, a lot's hanging out.

[Ian Crossland]

Hey everybody, what's up? My name is Allotted. I'm a journalist here at Timcast. Excited to get into the news today. Phil, what's up?

[Phil Labonte]

Hello everybody. My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains. And I'm an anti communist and a counter revolutionary. So let's go.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the story from the Daily Wire Exclusive. FEMA official ordered relief workers to skip Houses with Trump Signs Whistleblower it's almost unbelievable to think that somebody in the federal government would think that's okay. Now here's this is crazy. A federal disaster relief official ordered workers to bypass the homes of Trump supporters as they surveyed damage caused by Hurricane Milton in Florida. According to internal correspondence obtained by the Daily Wire and confirmed by multiple federal employees. A FEMA supervisor told workers in a message to avoid homes advertising Trump as they canvassed Lake Placid, Florida to identify residents who could qualify for federal aid. Internal messages viewed by the Daily Wire reveal the supervisor, Marnie Washington, relayed this message both verbally and in a group chat used by the relief team, multiple government employees told the Daily Wire. The government employees told the Daily Wire that at least 20 homes with Trump signs or flags were skipped from the end of October and into November due to the guidance, meaning they were not given the opportunity to qualify for FEMA assistance. Images shared with the Daily Wire show the houses were skipped over by the workers who wrote in the government system message such as Trump sign no entry per leadership. Take a look at this. It says implement best practices, avoid homes advertising Trump. And apparently this is, this is going down only a few days before the election.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I wonder if they're going to come up with some kind of rationalization like people with Trump signs outside their homes are more likely to be unfriendly and own firearms and we're afraid of them. But regardless, whenever there's any kind of investigation or if these people are punished as they should be, we're going to be told it's a political prosecution, that we live in some kind of banana republic because every time they're held, you think I care? Do you think I'm saying it because I'm like, we can't do this.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't want the liberals to be.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Upset about our justice system.

[Tim Pool]

They're.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, they're upset anytime anyone's punished.

[Tim Pool]

Already, our good friends the Krasensteins are taking that statement from Trump's lawyer where he says, if Letitia James keeps violating Trump's rights with lawfare, they will put her in jail. And then he tweets, oh, my God. Oh, heavens, this is fascism. They warned us about it. It's happening. And all the liberals are like, we knew it.

[Ian Crossland]

We knew it.

[Tim Pool]

And it's just laughable because anybody. You know they're liars. They know they're liars. They know we know they're liars.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

The charges against Donald Trump have no underlying crime and literally make no sense and they should be investigated by the doj. But now liberals are acting like that's Trump being a fascist.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, but in this. I mean, in this case, first of all, this violates, like, a dozen laws to. To. To withhold federal aid from people based on their politics. That. That's. That's so illegal. It's illegal on so many different level. Levels that obviously. And I know that FEMA has said. I think in their statement, they said that they've identified the person and they didn't even quite say they fired them. They said that they've. No. They're no longer in that position or something. But that's not enough, obviously. We need. We need a prosecution. The thing about this, when you see. Yeah, jail, obviously, and when you see the story, it's like, they're so flagrant. Like, if I. If I had seen this headline and it wasn't from the Daily Wire, I don't know if I would believe it at first. And not. Not because I doubt that the federal government would do this. It's only because it's so on the nose and it's so blatant. And. And then, of course, this has been. It's from the Daily Wire, something like. Well, of course, I know that Daily Wires is trustworthy and it's been confirmed by female. But it is shocking. It's shot again. Not that they did it, but that they put it in writing. Yeah. That they would just write that down and say, yep, skip the Trump houses. Because they think they could just do whatever they want. And. And there will be no accountability at all. So just think about that. And this is. This is. This is. You have to keep in mind, these are federal workers under Biden's administration assuming. Also, all of these workers were assuming that Kamala would win. And so they thought there's Just no way this will ever come out. And so we can do whatever the hell we want and we can tell people we're doing it and put it in writing. It's just. It's so flagrant.

[Tim Pool]

Real quick. They were once. They would skip it. They would write down in their surveys, not. Not able to access property. Wow, that's crazy.

[Phil Labonte]

Just. Just deny it. Obviously, none of us here are surprised. Obviously, this is something that is honest, it's standard. It's something that is expected ever since Lois LERNER and the IRS scandal, you know, and which is over 10 years ago now. I don't know actually when they went exactly when it was happening. But, you know, Barack Obama was. Was president, I think it was like around 2012, 13 or something like that when it was going on. But this is just the norm.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Phil Labonte]

The idea that there's not political persecution, there's not. There's not Bias from Washington D.C. washington D.C. was 95% for Kamala Harris. 95%. That is not representative of the United States. That is representative of a uni party. And when you say uniparty, people look at you as if you're. You're. You're some kind of, you know, you're some kind of extremist or some kind of crazy person. It is purely ideological in D.C. and the entire town needs to be gutted. Everybody needs to lose their job. I'm. I'm completely fine with shutting the whole government down and restructuring it all at about. And maybe you get 25% of what's there.

[Matt Walsh]

Actually, the VEC wanted to fire, I think half the federal government. Wouldn't it be wonderful, which is a great start. This also, by the way, this story really. It really sheds light on. We know what happened in Florida. Well, we also know what happened in North Carolina, where to us, you know, to us peons and peasants. It seemed as though the federal government just abandoned these people, that many of them in the redder parts of, you know, Asheville's very liberal, but. But the surrounding counties, very red part of North Carolina. And it seemed like from the outside that they were just being abandoned to drown. And you had to wonder if that was politically motivated. Of course the media said, well, how dare you even suggest such a thing? And now we see this, and now I have to wonder, you know, is. Is there some directive from some FEMA official somewhere saying, yeah, leave. Leave North Carolina alone. They'll be fine. They're Trump supporters.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, it wouldn't shock me. This is how the left has Operated historically. You look at the whole little more. And the entire argument was there just happened to be this famine in Ukraine. And even though they were exporting grain while everyone there was starving to death, this was not politically targeted. We weren't trying to kill our political enemies. What the left basically always does is they deprive basic necessities that they've been in charge of or put placed in charge of giving to people from them. And it's always a coincidence. There's always some reason that it just happens to be the case that their political enemies are being punished.

[Tim Pool]

That's it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Matt, you will. You made a point earlier where you said if you didn't read this from the Daily Wire, you wouldn't have believed it at first. And this is a massive messaging problem for the right because as you pointed out, Phil, people are afraid of being called crazy. And the left has done such a good job poisoning the well against bluntly describing the things that they're doing. And when you go to people and you just describe things that left wing politicians and pundits have said as well as the actual party platform of the Democratic Party, people will regard you like a crazy person. I mean, Kamala Harris literally said she wanted to fund sex change operations for illegal aliens. And I understand why people hear that and they don't want to believe it because that sounds like something that the Simpsons would put in a Fox News headline in an episode they made 10 years ago.

[Phil Labonte]

This is to your point. That's exactly right.

[Tim Pool]

The.

[Phil Labonte]

The left will hear this story and they will say, oh, this is not that big of a deal. You know, that was one person. And they'll minimize it as much as they can. Even though this is one step away from literally not helping people in the middle of an emergency. Right. It's like they're not. They're not going to houses to offer aid. It's one step away from saying don't go to that house while it's actually raining and while the floodwaters are going up. It's one step away from that. And that is one step away from things like the holodomor.

[Matt Walsh]

And you have same impulse, keep in mind just to go back to the point about how flagrant this is, which again is the is is the only thing that makes it that that gives you pause at first. Like, is that. Could that really be. They're that blatant about it. So the fact that they're that blatant tells you something about the culture in fema, which is not a surprise. But if you have one official who's willing again to put this in writing, not, not just that they set it off the record in some meeting, but they put it in writing, then that tells you something about the, the culture there. It tells you that this official felt, I mean, obviously if FEMA is filled with people like us, just by that, I mean, just like normal common sense people, even if you are a far left FEMA official, you wouldn't put that in writing because you'd be worried about this exact thing happening. So they obviously are in an environment where they expect, where they know they're around like minded people. I think we can assume that there's a lot of this kind of thing going on. And so to them, that was no big deal to put it in. Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and at some point, General Flynn.

[Tim Pool]

Said this morning on the Culture war podcast that we all dodged a bullet with this election. And then you see a story like this, and I want to stress, in a situation like a hurricane where people are in need of disaster relief, this aid could be life and death. In this area in Florida, I expect there's probably a lot of elderly who are in desperate need. This is, as Phil was saying, one degree away. But this is, this is them saying they're OK with you dying in a disaster. They will not provide you the relief that you deserve as a citizen of this country, as a taxpayer, because they don't like your worldview.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly. And there's never going to be any accountability for this, and there certainly won't be any accountability for eroding trust in American institutions. The fact that this is true should and will do more damage to American trust in federal agencies than a million. January 6th is 6 could have you get my point. You know, a figure will come along and point out the lies and hypocrisy of the media and of the ruling class. And it's always made out to seem as if this person just pulled it out of nowhere and they hypnotized everybody. You know, everyone loved the media. And then Donald Trump came along and he convinced people not to like them anymore. People loved the government. But then people like Ron Paul came along and started convincing them not to. I mean, the reality is the federal government hates us as people. They hate our way of life. They detest normal people and they don't care when you die. And they're in charge of ensuring you live. And by the way, the federal government, it spends what, between 15 and $19 billion? I believe it's closer to $19 billion. Every single day, they're capable of providing basic disaster early. When they weren't doing that, I think it should have been apparent enough that it was intentional.

[Ian Crossland]

I think this is very obviously extremely disgusting. What stands out to me is this is fema. The organization is fema and they're supposed to, like, you join FEMA because you want to help people and you want to help others. And to think that you'll just pass over people during a hurricane or what have you during a natural disaster like this is so disgusting. It's so outrageous that even the workers in a quote here from the Daily Wire article, by the way, the guy who broke this story, Leif Lamahu, did great job here. But the workers said, I thought we could go, go help and make a difference. When we got there, we were told to discriminate against people. It's almost unbelievable to think that somebody in the federal government would think that's okay. I'm glad there's at least somebody in FEMA who saw what was going on and thinking, what the hell are we doing?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw the, I mean, if you guys covered the video a few weeks ago of the, I don't think it was fema, but they were federal disaster workers who were working on moving some logs from one part of the yard to the other to the other part of a yard.

[Ian Crossland]

It's like a dozen people, one guy handing a lot to another guy over.

[Matt Walsh]

The course of a human chain. 20 people moving a 10 pound log 20ft. Yeah, so, but this is what happens. You've got these federal agencies that are full of people, Most, most of whom have really nothing to do. There's, there's too many of them. They don't, they're just always justifying their jobs and they're also blatantly politically partisan. So it's no surprise when this happened.

[Phil Labonte]

There's hope, like thank, I mean, thank God that Trump got elected. And if we're lucky, then, you know, Elon Musk will actually be put in a position to do real cuts on the government. I mean, he walked into, everyone knows he walked into Twitter and cut the, the personnel by like 80% or something like that. And there were a couple bumps and hiccups while it, while it were getting used to having the, the new structure, but now it works the same, it's perfectly fine. So hopefully if there's, you know, if we're, if we're lucky, he will get into a position to be able to actually do something and there won't be Too much obstructionism from Congress or whatever. Because I, I know that there are a lot of positions that take an act of Congress to actually get rid of, but there's a lot you can do with the purse strings and by cutting funding and by telling, you know, from the executive, saying, you don't. Don't do this, your priority isn't this. That's what Obama did. A lot of. A lot of things he would say to, like that. I think that's what. I think it was the dreamer. No, I'm not sure if it was dreamers, but there was. There was some. Some policy that Barack Obama said, don't worry about enforcing this. Do these other things. These are the priorities. This act of Congress we're not going to worry about. And if Obama can do it, then, you know, President Trump can do it as well. So.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, every. Every president's. This is. This is one of the dirty little secrets about Trump as they were trying to pain him to be Hitler. And one of the reasons why that narrative never caught on is that not only was he not a fascist dictator, but he was probably the most restrained president we've had in, like, a century.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And he was. He was very reluctant to wield executive power. I think almost to a fault. I mean, that was. If there was one great flaw in the first Trump administration, it's not that he was this fascist dictator who was drunk on his own power, but he was actually a little bit too, in my. In my estimation, too hesitant to wield power.

[Phil Labonte]

He wanted to be liked too much.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. And just. He didn't. He. He issued fewer executive orders than the three most recent presidents before him. And, and I understand that, like, we don't. We don't like executive orders generally. You don't want to have to govern that way, but it is going to require that if you actually want to drain the swamp, you're going to have to go in and wield executive power legally, but you're going to have to do it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Well, I think one of the great lessons we can draw from this story and one of the kind of great shifts in ethos that Trump has represented in the Republican Party, if not something he's outright delivered on national political scale, is historically, Republicans have seen government actors, and the left in particular, as good people who are misguided. They've seen the government as inefficient, but not necessarily malicious. And I think Trump actually represents a kind of conservatism where people are willing to recognize this is malicious. They are trying to kill people. They are incredibly callous with respect to their concern for the lives of people they consider to be politically inconvenient. It's good to see the American people finally starting to wake up to this. I think the fact that Trump was elected is a great sign that people still recognize this, and it's a winning strategy for Republicans to point that out and be clear about that instead of saying, I think my opponent is a good and decent man.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from cnn. DOJ announces charges in Iranian plot to kill Donald Trump. The Justice Department on Friday announced federal charges in a thwarted Iranian plot to kill Trump before the election. According to court documents, Iranian officials asked Farhad Shaqari, 51, in September to focus on surveilling and ultimately assassinating Trump. Shaqeri is still at large in Iran. The DOJ says it's a newly disclosed plot and marks yet another alleged attempt on Trump's life by the Iranian regime. Prosecutors alleged Shakiri, who participated in recorded conversations with law enforcement, was originally tasked by Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps to carrying out other assassinations against U.S. and Israeli citizens inside the U.S. but IRGC officials told Shakir on October 7 to focus only on Trump. Court documents say he's an Afghan national residing in Tehran. Told investigators that if he was unable to. To do. Unable to do. Come up with a plan in the timeframe. Come on, copy editor, guys. That they would wait until after the election. Now, this story seems a little bit absurd. I mean, the guys in Iran, I don't, I don't know. What is it? They're charging a guy who. They'll never get access to Soloan.

[Phil Labonte]

He was in Iran. They dropped a bomb on him.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, but Soleimani was in Iraq.

[Tim Pool]

Right? There's somebody who's leading an active war against you and then criminally charging a guy who's in another country. But I do get it. The reason why I think this story is interesting is that there have been a lot of people who have come out and said, seems a little, I don't know, calm. Donald Trump wins. There's no big shadow campaign. It's just 1:30am they say everything's okay now. There's a lot of speculation from people have been popping up in these podcasts that they fear there may be an attempt on Donald Trump's life before he is. The October 15th deadline has passed. Are you prepared for what's coming? Do you owe back taxes? Are your tax returns still unfiled? Miss the deadline to file for an extension now that October 15th is behind us. The IRS may be ramping up enforcement. You could face wage garnishments, frozen bank accounts, or even property seizures if you haven't taken action yet. But there's still hope. Tax Network USA has helped taxpayers save over $1 billion in tax debt and has filed over 10,000 tax returns. They specialize in helping people like you reduce their tax burdens, and they can help you to. Don't wait any longer. Visit tnusa.com timpool or call 1-800-958-1000 for a free consultation. Their experts will walk you through a few simple questions to see how much you can save. Act now before the IRS takes more aggressive steps. Take control today. Visit tnusa.com/tim pool or call 1-800-958-1000. Actually, inaugurate.

[Matt Walsh]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

It's a certainty they will continue with the attempts.

[Matt Walsh]

But yeah, I mean, that's, that's, and you have to wonder, the Iranians wanted to kill Donald Trump. I mean, why is it that the bad guys all want to kill Donald Trump? I think it tells you something about, about his, something good about his, his leadership style. And I am, look, I mean, this is a, unfortunately going to be an anxiety that we all have for the next four years because we know that the, that the Secret Service was not, at the very least, they were not up to the task of protecting him the first time around. And, and you know, I don't think when you're president, you can hire your own personal security, your own private security on top of Secret Service, as far as I know. So he's going to be kind of be at their, at their mercy.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. I want to give a big picture, a little quick talk about what's going on here and why all this is going down. Donald Trump was responsible for the assassination of Kassim Soleimani, who was the leader of the irgc, generally thought to be number two in Iran. And the IRGC and Islamic Guard and Islamic Republic in Iran has had it out for Donald Trump and his associate since then, including John Bolton and Mike Pompeo including other Iranian activists in the United States. They've been trying to target Donald Trump and many of his national security advisers and peers who worked in the administration. As far as I see this, I think anybody who's plotting to kill the President of the United States or President elect of the United States should be on borrowed time. As far as the American military and intelligence agencies should go.

[Tim Pool]

So, well, I hope they protect Donald Trump. And I'm kind of concerned. You know, I brought this up. Somebody we were talking earlier and I said, what if something does happen to Donald Trump? Well, we looked it up this morning. The 20th Amendment says that if before the President's first term, the President elect can make the first term, if they die for any reason, then the vice President elect will become the president. And then I was talking to someone, they said, yeah, but Trump and JD Will be on a plane or something, who knows? And I'm like, okay, maybe they shouldn't be in the same room together. January 20th, they can come together, we get them inaugurated. But I mean this not in any way lightheartedly. I am deeply concerned with the lives of Donald Trump and J.D. vance and all of our politicians, even the ones I'm not quite fond of, because I hope this is not a calm before the storm. And right now, more than ever, we need serious protection for our political leaders.

[Matt Walsh]

I will say one of the reasons, reasons for the calm that you're talking about and we haven't seen. A lot of us were expecting if Trump won, we'd have rioting and that sort of thing. It'd be, you know, the 2020 riots all over again. I think one of the reasons we're not seeing that is that it was just such an overwhelming victory that it just, I think it's totally crushed the morale and spirit of his, of his, of his opponents. And I'm sure they'll rally together at some point and get their energy back up, but right now I think it's just totally shell shocked. The other thing, too, is that, and this is why one of the, One of the, many reasons why some of us were quite happy with the JD Vance pick is that not only is he, like a really impressive guy in his own right, but it, you know, frankly, as many of us were saying, he needs to pick a, a VP candidate who gives him assassination insurance so that before someone could think about making an attempt on his life, they're gonna have to think. They're gonna also have to consider the fact, okay, well, if we take him out, then we're stuck with this guy. And is that really gonna be better for us? And the answer is with JD Vance. Now, if you put some establishment, establishment Haley shill in there or something like that, then I think that really does put Trump in an even more precarious position. So it still is. It's. But, you know, I think it's an.

[Ian Crossland]

Interesting conversation to have because if you're the Iranians, I'm sure you prefer JD Vance, who is known to be more of an isolationist than Donald Trump was. Not that I'm sure JD Vance would declare war on Iran if they did assassinate Donald Trump, but I think the Iranians would be more scared of pulling anything on Donald Trump if Nikki Haley were the vp because they know exactly what.

[Tim Pool]

But she wants to. But let me say this. We had two libertarians on this show. We had Clint Russell and Josie, the redhead libertarian, who both agreed when I said if Iran were to take the life of Donald Trump, we have no choice but to declare war on them. Would you agree? You would agree? Absolutely.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Right.

[Matt Walsh]

If they kill your president. Right.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, you don't have a country. If you let foreign enemy nations kill you, what's the question?

[Ian Crossland]

If they are trying and making an effort to. How should we react?

[Tim Pool]

And that's, that's still a really great question because there's, there's got to be some action.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm just, I'm skeptical of literally everything we hear from our foreign policy establishment.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I do believe we should also take a grain of salt with all of these reports. You know, this could obviously spark tensions and we've been misled by the media. I do believe Iran is a serious threat, but we should still be hyper cognizant.

[Matt Walsh]

And I'm not.

[Ian Crossland]

Reports coming out.

[Matt Walsh]

And obviously we have to take threats like this very seriously. And yes, if, I mean, God forbid, if a foreign adversary kills your president, I'm as isolationist as they come. But there are reasons to go to war. That would be one of them. But I'm, I'm more worried about, I mean, as big a concern as that is, I'm more worried about the, just the kind of radicalization in this country among our citizens against Trump. Now, we know that Trump just wanted an overwhelming victory, so most Americans voted for him and are in favor of him. But look, the media has been saying for eight years now, and they're only going to ramp it up, that this guy is Adolf Hitler. And the thing is, as many people have pointed out, when you, when you call somebody Hitler, when you say that he's a fascist dictator and he's Hitler and he wants to destroy democracy. You are actually directly calling for his assassination. You might not be saying it because you can't say it, but, you know, if Hitler was, was actually alive today, we would all agree that you're justified in taking out.

[Ian Crossland]

It's a wink and nod, right? Oh, Hitler, you know what to do.

[Tim Pool]

And I put it this way. There is a thought experiment about traveling back in time and killing the baby Hitler. And the question is, it's a philosophical and moral question about taking the life of a baby who has done nothing wrong but, you know, his future and what he becomes. The point is, you could be an 18 year old in college and they're asking you about whether it's morally right or wrong or what are the morals of taking the life of a baby. And I get it, it's baby Hitler. But they're saying that there is an element of the population that is okay with taking the life of Hitler. Then they call Trump Hitler. That's exactly what they're trying to do.

[Matt Walsh]

And this isn't even, I mean, there's, I guess there's an interesting philosophical debate about whether it's okay to kill baby Hitler, but everybody agrees on about adult Hitler. Like, it's okay to kill adult Hitler.

[Tim Pool]

So I think what Seamus and Matt don't understand is that these, these Planned Parenthood activists are from the future and they're coming back on time.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What I was going to say, I just, I really want to make this point. What I was going to say is they don't need the baby to be Hitler to want to kill them, but I just want to make this point. This ties into the Daily Wire. A few years ago at the March for Life, there was a controversy because Ben Shapiro brought up the baby Hitler philosophical question. He's like, well, the answer is you don't kill baby Hitler because Baby's Baby and a toothpaste brand that was sponsoring the video pulled their sponsorship from that, which means a toothpaste company has an official stance on the philosophical question of whether you killed baby Hitler.

[Phil Labonte]

Matt, Matt, we. This goes back to the previous story as well. Like, if FEMA isn't doing things for Trump supporters, and we've seen two attempts on President Trump's life. One was clearly because the Secret Service wasn't doing their job. This speaks to the fact that it's likely that that will happen in the future, at least leading up until Trump can get into office and hopefully clear some people out of the Secret Service. And get competent people in or people that aren't ideologically possessed, you know, and.

[Matt Walsh]

Because the fact is that on the left, they, you know, and this is not true of every single person who identifies themselves as on the left, but on the sort of radical, far political left, they really, truly believe that if you, you know, if you are their political enemy, then you don't deserve to live. Your life is not worth living. They honest to God believe that. And, and that's what they believe about Trump. That's what they believe about. I mean, I made a, I made a joke about Project 2025 on Twitter, which I, which I sometimes do. I sometimes, you know, we do a little trolling, folks, and, and I, I get all the, it's like we're used to it on the Internet. But all these comments are people saying, I, I'm gonna find you and kill you. I want you to die. I'm gonna find you. You deserve to be tortured and killed. And I want to do it myself. It's like someone said something like that and it's just, it, it's normal. We're used to that. But, like, we shouldn't actually be used to that. That shouldn't be a normal response to someone that you don't agree with making a joke.

[Tim Pool]

I want to pull up this year Google search, because there's way too many stories to choose from. Here's from The Advocate. Project 2025 is real and coming, says Trumper Matt Walsh. Maga says Project 2025 is the agenda. Matt Walsh, Rolling Stone Republicans celebrate by admitting they can't wait for Project 2025. Newsweek. I'm sorry, what do we have Mother Jones after? When Trump fans admit Project 2025 is the agenda, the independent mega allies say they can finally admit Project 2025 Axios. I mean, these are supposed to be serious news organizations. And they saw a joke from Matt Walsh and decided it is the biggest story. It's true and run with it.

[Matt Walsh]

And not only that, but I'm not even, I'm not a Trump official. I'm not going to be in the Cabinet. I would love to be in the Cabinet. I mean, call me up, I'll take the job, whatever it is. But I'm just like, the fact that you can make an article over some podcaster is just rambling and joking around is the most absurd thing about it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, it's like, well, and it's not just that you're not a Trump official, it's that you are somebody who has now made two documentaries where you're trolling people. And in your profile picture on Twitter, you are dressed as the character you troll people as, and somebody saw a tweet from you which was an obvious troll and they took the bait and wrote articles about it.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, it is amazing. But also on the left, they've just lost their ability to detect irony or.

[Tim Pool]

They had the ability to protect irony.

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, at some point in the, in the past, they did.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I want to be victim.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, I don't. I don't think they do. I do think there's an element of the media that says, hey, I know he didn't mean it, he's joking, but we can run the story because you can't sue for defamation. Because I'll say. But he really said it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

I genuinely believe there is a natural filtration process happening over the past 10 years for people who lack the mental capacity to understand humor and think beyond one dimension.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, that'll happen. Like, I will. I will sometimes have people try to fact check my cartoons. It's like, okay, right.

[Tim Pool]

Can we see When I tweeted that Kamala Harris was a Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini combined, and she was going to send Trumpers to camps and start 800 new wars and a bunch of articles got written being like, Tim Pool thinks Kamala Harris is going to be like, I was like, I was literally satiring you. Yeah, but their brains are just made of jello. So.

[Matt Walsh]

And they also. But some of it is, is Internet too. Like, it's not all on the left. Some of it is on the Internet. It's a thing where people, where they, and, and you know, they just pretend they've never heard of the concept of hyperbole or, you know, comedic hyperbole is a really common device that people use in their everyday lives. Even something like, I'm starving. You know, it's like, well, you're not. It's like no one thinks that you're actually claiming that you're starving to death. You're just saying that you're really hungry and so on. And this happens to me all the time. I'll say something like, you know, whatever. If, if you drink, people who drink raw milk should go to jail or something.

[Tim Pool]

And then the one's funny and then.

[Matt Walsh]

You have, and then you have a three day outrage cycle. People on the right to pretending that they don't understand that you're intentionally exaggerating just to be funny.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so one of my favorites was JD Vance was talking in some interview and he said, look, you know, my, my Two sons eat, like, a dozen eggs a day. Right. And so when you're a family and you're going to the grocery store and then some journalists wrote, there is no way that J.D. vance children are eating, like, 144 eggs per week. That's ridiculous. And then he was just like, are you kidding me?

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like, fact check.

[Tim Pool]

When I. I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse. Fact check. He did not, in fact, want to eat a horse.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like, fact check. J.D. vance's children do not get taller every time their grandmother sees them. Like.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

People say things sometimes.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, technically, they do get taller each time.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's true, actually, but probably. Notably.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, it is missing context. While it is true that they technically get tall, it would not be possible to notice.

[Tim Pool]

I think the media industry attracts low IQ people. Having worked in some of these offices in New York and in the corporate press, I would find that only a small handful of the people who work there actually had 100 or above in IQs. And I know this because I actually physically administer the test. Now, I have no idea, but I. I met so many of these young people who are just like. When you talk to them, it was as if it was a phone dial tone. It was just, they're staring at you. You know, there's this thing for some of these people where they're looking at you, but they're looking through you.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like, you can tell. Like, your eyes are not focused on me. And I'm like, is there anything in. There's anybody home?

[Matt Walsh]

And they're the worst kinds of dumb. It's. Well, I think this is kind of the definition of a midwit, where they're not, they're, they're, you know, they're. They're above room temperature in their iq, but they're definitely not. They're not smart, but they think they're smart. So, yeah, they're pretty dumb, but they think they're really smart. And that's, that's all the media. That's. I mean, you know, there's been all this conversation on, in the media after the election about how Trump's voters are uneducated because they didn't go to college. And so you get all these pompous, you know, people with college degrees saying, well, you guys. You guys aren't educated. You're not as smart as me. And of course, like, it's like. And this is part of it, you have really. You can be a very dumb person these days and have not just a college degree but have like a PhD. You know, you can, you could have gone to 10 years of, of post high school education and actually be barely above 100 with your IQ. And so that's one of the reasons why these people are so confident of their own intelligence, I think.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And then, I mean, even the ones who get advanced degrees in fields that have traditionally been considered impressive will tell you that men can get pregnant. I mean, it doesn't mean anything.

[Tim Pool]

That's, that's the funny thing. Yeah. So following the election, the metric comes out. That's the blue states are all college educated and the red states tend to not be college educated. And then you get these. It's fascinating to me. I love this because these liberals will respond to political positions I have with Tim never graduated high school. And then they're like, oh, like for a liberals, like, well, that settles it. Tim didn't get a high school degree, therefore nothing he says has any merit that is indicative of impaired brain function. And they view this world through. Have you been approved by the establishment as acceptable? Like, it's a form of credentialism. You have to have state sanctioned confirmation of thought. And that's, that's your degree, that's your diploma, and that proves you are capable regardless of your positions. So when it comes to this podcasting thing, especially where they say, I love this, the article yesterday or two days ago from Wired where it said, the manosphere won, the left needs. It's like the left doesn't even have a Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, or so help us, a Tim Pool. And it's funny because just like with Joe Rogan, they did. Many, many of these former liberals are now sitting here voting for Donald Trump. But these people's position is you are smart and acceptable if you march with us in lockstep, no matter what we say. And I'm like, my guys, when you said, we need a Joe Rogan, why does, why don't Democrats have a Joe Rogan? The response from people was, you did. His name was Joe Rogan. The issue is the Democrats were crapping on the floor in front of everybody and telling us we had to accept it. And when we said, please don't make this what the Democrats represent, they said, you're far right. You're a conservative. And I said, I guess I am now, because I'm not okay with digging dump on the floor.

[Matt Walsh]

The thing about the Joe Rogan thing too, is really funny to me because they don't understand at all. This is why they'll never. They'll never have their own Joe Rogan is. They just don't understand at all why he's popular or how he got to the place that he is. And he didn't get there with like Republic by being known as this Republican guy who's making Republican points. Like many people, I started listening to Joe Rogan certainly at first because he'd have on whatever like archeologists, and they would talk about that for three and a half hours. I mean, it's the stuff that had nothing to do with politics that made him super popular. And then from there he started getting in a little bit more to politics. But even now, not, not all that much. And this is the problem. So on the left, if they tried to do their own Joe Rogan, it would just be some leftist droning on about leftist policy for three and a half hours. And that's just not. But that's not a Democrat answer to Joe Rogan.

[Tim Pool]

The. And the issue is the amorphous nature of what is acceptable on the left. So it. I can sit here and be like, here are my beliefs, here are my values, here's what I want, here's what I don't want. And they will stay true for the most part until someone presents me with a good argument and we'll have the discussion and the debate and I might say, you know what I'll consider. That's interesting. The left is just like, well, today women is the new word. And then the next day they're like, actually it's offensive because it's exclusionary. And they go, okay, now we're not going to say women now. It's women with a Y. Well, also, you can't be a Joe Rogan because you'd have to have a list of all the things you can or can't say updated every day by the Democratic Party.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's exactly right. And also it seems really insulting to a lot of their media personalities to say this right? Like, we don't have our own Steven Crowder. What about Jimmy Kimmel and Steven Colbert? Like, just because they're not good doesn't mean they're not your attempt.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I feel like that's what they're saying, though.

[Phil Labonte]

What they're saying is they don't have.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're admitting their people suck.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, they don't. Well, they don't have the influence. And the reason they don't have the influence is because they're. They're woke scolds. They're telling people what they must say, what they must think. And as soon as you do something interesting, like have an opposing view or. Or anything like that, anything approaching an opposing view, they excommunicate you.

[Matt Walsh]

And they're. They. This is what I talk about all the time on the left, that they are now making the mistake, especially when it comes to entertainment. You mentioned Jimmy Kimmel and. And Stephen Colbert, perfect examples of this. They are now making the mistake that for so long, conservatives, and particularly Christian media and entertainment made, which is that they. They lead with. The only thing that matters is the message. That's the whole thing, is just the message. Yeah. And so you'll have Jimmy Kimmel, who will get up and he'll give it what's supposed to be a comedy monologue, but it's just 10 minutes of him crying because he lost the election. And it's just like, that's. Your job, is to be funny. And so if you want to. If you want to have influence, Jimmy Kimmel, you actually want to influence people towards your point of view, then you should come out and just be funny. And you sprinkle in the politics here and there. And it's the thing, the left, for so long, they were very good at this. They were very good at influencing the culture, influencing people, because they were just. They were good comedians, they were good artists, they made good films, they made good shows. And they didn't lead with the message. They led with the story, they led with the joke. And they would sprinkle in the politics here and there. They'd make it a little bit subtle. So they were just kind of gradually moving you towards their values without you noticing it. And now it's kind of. And then you had the Christian answer, which was always just, well, we're going to do this movie, and the acting's terrible, the writing's terrible, everything's terrible. But it's a really good sermon. And they're talking about loving Jesus, good fundamentals, right? And now this interesting shift is happening where the left is making that mistake and the right is figuring out how to not really lead with the message, just be interesting, be funny. I mean, Joe Rogan is just an interesting guy, sprinkles in the politics here and there. And that's how you have actual.

[Tim Pool]

And they call. They call them alt, right?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah. Not. No one's. No one is just on the right. Like, as soon as you cross over that line, you're a Nazi, you're far right. There was a time when you used to have to be conservative to be considered far right. Like, as long as you're a Center left, liberal. You're far right. But I just want to make this point about culture. You know, at Freedom Toons, whenever we make these cartoons, like, if we have an idea that's going to make fun of a Republican or if we have a funny plan, a conservative idea, we're not like, oh, we can't do that, because we are. We need to win. Like, you just make fun of Trump all the time. I make fun of Trump all the time. I literally had. I don't know if I could just. Well, I happen in the video, but I had something happen to you in a video recently.

[Tim Pool]

Right. We also. We also did a video a while ago where I like Fauci. Funny.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You a lot.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So, Seamus, I did a video where it's Fauci and Trump and Fauci's testifying. And it starts with the Lord of the Rings scene where he was like, I was there. The strength of. I was there the day the strength of Trump failed. And then Fauci's like, cast it into the fire. Trump destroys the coronavirus. And then Trump is like, well, I was gonna, but now you told me to. I won't do it. And it's like, it's making fun of Trump and Fauci and everybody just for fun.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and even, like, we did. I remember a while ago just doing a silly video. It was like, college student, like, totally owns Ben Shapiro. And it's like a college student that pronouns or whatever. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, it's. It's. It's okay. And it's actually good to make fun of people on your own side, and it's good to even make fun of some of the ideas on your.

[Tim Pool]

I think we see all of this stuff, and it shows. It's communism, right? You can't defy the party line.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tim Pool]

And so what do we see in communist countries? You can't have jokes. Jokes not allowed. You can't speak out in ways. And this is exactly, exactly what the left does. It's. If you come out and you make a joke. I mean, how many times have we seen some leftist personality make a joke and then they get attacked and they have to take their tweet down or take down their account or something, or apologize.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Do you remember the Simpsons bit? Worker and Parasite, when Krusty has to get rid of. Itchy and Scratches is like. It's an Eastern European cartoon. It's worker and parasite, dude. Oh, man. All right, well, I guess. Yeah, yeah, dude, that's like the perfect.

[Tim Pool]

Wasn't it like, they lost the rights to, like.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's a Soviet version called Worker in Parasite. Yeah. It's like, perfectly encapsulates this.

[Matt Walsh]

It's not just. It's. You got to toe the party line. But it's not just that. Well, you're not allowed to disagree with us. It's also that everything you do has to be about what we believe. So even if you, Even if you do something or you say something, that's not. That's apolitical. That's not taking anyone's side. They have a problem even with that. I mean, they do this with their celebrities. Now. This is the whole thing with Taylor Swift. It's like they get mad at Taylor Swift because you're not being political enough. It's like, clearly she's not. She's. Well, yeah, she's not a Trumper. But. But it's like, well, no, no, no, You. You can't. You have to. And you have to agree with us, and you have to make everything about the fact that you agree with us to your point.

[Phil Labonte]

And I've said this a couple of days ago, the reason that everybody had the backlash against Bezos when he wrote the op ed, when he said, we're not going to endorse, he didn't come out and endorse Donald Trump.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Phil Labonte]

But it was as if he did. But the dissent cannot be tolerated. It is a unified message consistent on all fronts in every single way. If you step out of line, then they. Not only do they say, oh, well, we disagree and we disavow that, they literally will excoriate you and cast you out as if you're, you know, as if you're a heretic, you know, and that doesn't make for a welcoming group of people that you want to hang out with. It doesn't make for good comedy, it doesn't make for good stories. It doesn't make for good anything at all.

[Tim Pool]

I think we should embrace the Project 2025 thing and just let them engage in their histrionics.

[Phil Labonte]

I think we should embrace Project 2025.

[Tim Pool]

Because, you know, General Flynn was saying this this morning. You don't have four years. You have 18 months.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

The midterms come up, and then six months out, all of the squishy Republicans are terrified to do anything. So they need. It needs to happen now.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's right.

[Tim Pool]

But I'll say this. These stories going viral and going nuts. Regular people are going, huh? And, you know, you know, so let's do this. Let Me jump to this story. I'm going to pull up this one from Post Millennial. Check this out. Morning Joe reveals he doesn't know the price of butter, realizes Trump won on the economy. Check out this clip from that we got Postman. I want to talk about economy for a second. A few weeks ago, three weeks ago.

[Matt Walsh]

Somebody who was going to be voting for Kamala Harris came up to me and said, oh my God, Trump's going to win. I go, why is that?

[Tim Pool]

He goes, I just, I went to the grocery store, butters over $3.

[Matt Walsh]

I kind of laughed and I said, I said, well, that's kind of reductive, isn't it? Said it to myself, to him. I smiled and I said, good point. But it actually, everything we're hearing after.

[Tim Pool]

The election is, it is the seven. What's that? The $7 butter is $7?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

What is it framed in gold?

[Tim Pool]

Anyway, you go, okay, well. Yeah, okay, well, anyway, my point is this, Willie.

[Matt Walsh]

The rent is too damn high.

[Tim Pool]

And this guy was saying the cost of butter is way damn too high.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So the funny thing about this, when he said that, what is it framed in gold? It's, it's exposing one of the big reasons why they lost. So I don't think Project 2025 is going to move the needle of any, anybody. What we have right here is The Federal Reserve, St. Louis Fed. The average price of butter is $5. This is nationwide. Five bucks for a four pack of butter. He says, Around $3. Micah says, Seven. And he goes, Seven dollars? What is it framed in gold? Yes, that's exactly what your average middle class, working class guy thinks when he goes to the grocery store and he walks up and there's the unsalted butter, says 5 bucks. And he goes, what is it, frames in gold?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They mock these, the working class people on these shows.

[Matt Walsh]

I do. I have to defend Joe Scar. I rarely do. I have to defend Joe Scarborough a little bit on this one because I will say I probably shouldn't be admitting this, but I totally are. I'm the same every time I. Because I don't do the grocery shopping.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't do the grocery shopping. I never have our whole marriage, you know, and even, even going back to when we first got married and we were, we were broke as hell. But so every time my wife goes grocery shopping, if I get a look at the receipt or if she mentions how much something costs, I'm like, it's this camp. That's not that much. What are you talking, what is it, so some, some of that I think is a man thing. We just can't. Maybe it's just me. I just can't.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I agree.

[Matt Walsh]

I'm absorb the cost of groceries.

[Tim Pool]

I go grocery shopping, I look at the prices.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, well, dude, I mean, under Project 2025, wives do the grocery shopping.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Just how it is.

[Matt Walsh]

I haven't done a full grocery shop for our family ever. My wife does it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, my wife does the grocery shopping.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, I also oversee when we're, when we're ordering drinks and snacks and other things for the office. So I can see all the prices. I can see them going up. But that's that statement. What is it framed in gold? Whether, whether it's because he just has Micah. Isn't he married to Micah? I don't know. Whatever.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, he's married to.

[Tim Pool]

So she's, she's telling him, for example.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That was his wife. Yeah, that's hilarious. I was going to make that joke. I was literally going to make that joke. Like, the woman on the panel is like, this is how much it costs, dear.

[Tim Pool]

I went to the grocery store, it was $7. Well, I think, I think they're in New York, right?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But the point is, when the Democrats are screeching about Project 2025, despite the fact it's just not happening, and Matt made a joke about it, I say, yeah, let's encourage him to do that. Meanwhile, regular working people are going to be like, why is butter five bucks? We'll be like, don't worry, we'll help you out there, buddy.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I remember the, and you're right, people don't care about, obviously people don't care about Project 2025 because that was basically Akama's whole campaign and it failed. And I can remember watching, you know, on, on Sundays watching football and especially in the last like three or four weeks before the election. And it's just constant political ads and, and a lot of Trump ads, you know, and obviously targeting men. It's NFL Sunday and his ads were always, it was always hitting the economy. To your point, Tim. Also hitting the trans thing really hard. Trump would hit those in the ads on, on the football ads. Kamala, I remember one of the ads she played on NFL Sunday watching football. It was all about fear mongering for Project 2025. And I'm watching that, I'm thinking, like, what man who's watching football is going to see this ad is like, oh, did you hear about Project 25? That sounds scary. Like, nobody even if you're on the left, you don't care about that. No idea how to message these people.

[Phil Labonte]

That's the, that was their primary concern. As, as the last, in a couple weeks of the campaign. They were like, oh my goodness, we're not getting men. Men are turning away from us.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Why?

[Phil Labonte]

Why are they turning away? What if, you know, what is it? How do we message to them? And every attempt they made was as ham fisted and ridiculous as you could possibly come up with. And so I don't think that they're going to be successful at messaging to men for a long time because they didn't learn anything. The, the whole, the whole thing is, is that. Or their whole take is that men are bad.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

I just, you know, I just, I saw this tweet for the super chat from Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Today in Weiss at Harpers Ferry. Land O'Lakes is 650. I just pulled up the website for our local grocery store. Land o Lakes is $7.49.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Wow.

[Tim Pool]

For, for a four. Four sticks of butter. Well, no, but yeah, framed in gold.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Right? To your point about the fact that a man watching football isn't going to go Project 2025. I mean, pretty much every Democratic voter over the age of 35 I've ever spoken to, except for a small handful of Tim Walz esque exceptions, aren't Democrats because they're like, oh, they're going to ban drag. We have to bring our glitter to the polling place. Like, it's because they are worried. It's because they're worried about the prices of things. And historically they've believed that the Democrats would support their union or you know, deliver higher wages to them or, you know, raise taxes on whatever it is that they think can benefit them economically. But like trying to pander to men with those kinds of social issues, especially in that direction, it's not going to work.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they kind of stumbled into the Project 2025 fear mongering after their first few ideas didn't work out. They were trying to focus on democracy. Slash, so called democracy in January 6th wasn't resonating very hard. They tried to attack Trump as extremely pro life. Trump dispelled that by coming out as relatively pro choice as a Republican. And then they were like, all right, well what else can we attack him with? None of this crap is kind of sticking. Well, everything that Republicans we, everything we hate about Republicans. Project 2025, you know, a match made in heaven. And it didn't resonate at all. The fear mongering It's a, it was.

[Matt Walsh]

Always a really bad strategy in general. And this is another thing. The Democrats that use, I used to at least give them credit. I mean, they're evil, but I used to, I used to think anyway that they're evil, but they're smart. And Republicans typically not as evil, but kind of dumb. That's the way, that's the way it was for, for decades. So decades and decades. That's kind of the way it worked. And so Democrats are just like strategically running laps around Republicans, but they've gotten pretty dumb strategically in recent years. And Project 20, even leaving aside the ideology of, in politics of it, it's just the messaging is really stupid because when you, when you go out and you, you have a 30 second AD and you say Project 2025, no one knows what the hell that is. And then you have to like go look it up and it's this whole long thing and you got to read through it. So it's just really bad messaging. You have to find. But that's the point is that they, they couldn't go to the actual project 2025 and find anything scary. If there was something scary in it, you would, you wouldn't say Project 2025. You would just focus in on that one scary thing. But it wasn't in there because whatever.

[Ian Crossland]

You hate about Republicans, just throw it. There you go, Project 2025.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I actually, you know, got a PDF of Project 2025 and was flipping through it just to see if it was as mundane as I'd expected. And it very much is. I mean, there's like, it's like, oh, my goodness, these crazy radical Republicans want to, like, alter the regulations surrounding Alaska's like, sovereignty with fishing and wildlife permitting.

[Ian Crossland]

Come on, Welsh on something you said. I don't know if the Democrats have been getting dumb on strategy. Well, they have been, but why have they been getting dumb on strategy? And I believe it's because they're beholden to their youth and communist base at the party now, where all of the enthusiasm is. So they're struggling with their untenable party. It's just waiting to fracture is how I kind of view this stuff. And they know that they have to, you know, talk about these fringe issues. You need to talk about trans rights, although it polls horribly and all these other things that are honestly where the enthusiasm in the Democratic Party comes from.

[Matt Walsh]

That is the problem that they're having. But, but again, just if you're smart strategically, like, I could have done a better job. Kamala could have Hired me as a campaign director. And I would have done a better job of just selling these ideas and whoever. Whatever morons they had run working for. So their idea is Project 25, Tim Wall. You know, you bring on Tim Walls and you have him do the stupid football coach thing where they keep going back to this, well, all right, huddle up, team. I'm gonna give the football halftime speech. And it's just, it's so ham fisted. It's like, it's like, it's like 1990s era youth group, you know, leader type of stuff in their attempts to connect with. With people.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm not kidding you. I saw a tweet that went viral after the election where someone was saying the mistake the Democrats made is they fails to properly exploit Tim Walls because he's so relatable to young men. And this is why we lost young men as voters. Just the level of delusion is absolutely off the charts. Tim Walls is absolutely not somebody who any young man looks up to and wants to be like. And I'll just put it this way, man. When you're like, we have to put tampons in the boys bathroom. And you're. You're not somebody who young men are like, this is a really cool guy, like, emulate. But. But on top of that, like his gesturing and.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

When they put tampons in a high school boys bathroom, the boys ripped the thing down and vandalized. Do you remember that story?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah. So that was the high school I went to.

[Tim Pool]

That was your high school?

[Phil Labonte]

Yes, I was shaming.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes, that was me.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Tim, when I was in high school.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I'm kidding, but continue.

[Tim Pool]

So it wasn't your high school.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No. Yeah, it was.

[Tim Pool]

It was.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

So Tim Walls is known for wanting tampons in boys bathrooms. At the same time, we know young men ridicule and reject that notion. And they thought this was going to attract young men to vote for Kamala Harris. It's absurd. And now you've got Andrew Yang going on CNN saying it was a mistake to not go on Joe Rogan's podcast.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And Mike Cernovich, he responded to me saying, that's like saying it's a mistake for me not to drop it on Tim Pool's half pipe.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I'll put it this way, she can't do it. If you're actually someone who young men look up to, is an influence or appears manly, the joke critics will make about you to kind of coalesce with their optics that you should be Bad is they'll basically call you stupid. They'll call you a lunkhead. Like, you know, if there's anyone in the Democratic Party we could point to who's, like, remotely masculine, I think you'd say Fetterman is like a pretty masculine seeming dude. I think more so than anyone else in the party. Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know if I'm more so.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That he's not super masculine. He's not super. But I'm saying, like, as far as.

[Matt Walsh]

Democrats go, he's not gay.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. Exactly. All right, that's that. And that's a fair way of putting it. But when you look at the way he's made fun of, as opposed to other Democrats, it's mostly like, this guy's dumb. This guy's a lunkhead. The reason Tim Walls was made fun of for, like, seeming gay wasn't because he did it right. Like, the reason Republicans were able to kind of coalesce around that meme and make fun of him on that basis wasn't because it wasn't resonating with young men. You get what I mean?

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah. And I need to follow up on Democrats on going or not going on Rogan's podcast. I think John Fetterman, actually, he went on Rogan's podcast and I think performed pretty decently and was a relatable guy and was talking about his struggles with mental illness following his campaign run and checking himself into Walter Reed for depression. And I think he came off as a relatable man. Think of it. But only because he's not like a.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Macho dude, but he just seems like a more regular guy.

[Matt Walsh]

That's the thing. If you want to, you know, if you want to appear masculine and appeal to men, there are, I think, a few steps you have to follow. But the first step you have to get past is you have to be authentic. And that's the. And. And leftists, again, don't understand this because when they think about what we think of masculinity, they have this cartoon in their mind. And so with Tim Walls, they tried to imitate that cartoon. But in reality, if you're conservative and you. And someone asks you, like, what, what? You know, what does it take to be a masculine man? None of us are going to say, well, you have to go hunting and you have to wear camo hats. We would say that's a version of masculinity. So there are those kinds of guys. And that's cool. But. But, you know, to be masculine, number one, authentic, number two, competent if you're authentic and you are a competent person and you're a man. And there. So you could be. You could go hunting and you could be that kind of guy. You could be a really smart guy who reads a lot of books and can, you know, wax philosophical about things that's also masculine.

[Tim Pool]

You could be Jordan Peterson.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

Man.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like, I'm the manliest guy around. Knows it. No, it's true.

[Tim Pool]

But he still inspires a lot of young men to get their act together, clean up 100 things.

[Matt Walsh]

That's a. That's exactly right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

So. Because. But they don't understand. They think. They think that we have this super narrow, very specific idea of what it takes to be a masculine man. And what they don't understand is that we don't and we never did. And we don't have that for femininity either. I mean, our point all along, not. Not to take this in a different direction, but, you know, they are the ones saying that. Okay, well, to be a man or woman is this thing. And so actually, if you act a different way than, you know, if you're a man and you act a bit feminine now you're actually a woman. It turns out we're the ones saying that. No, you can be. You know, you could be. There are actually a lot of different ways to be masculine.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And they just don't. They don't listen well.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And even things like you said that wouldn't be traditionally considered masculine. Like if you're really, really good at chess or something, you're just at the top of your field there or making cartoons or something. But you look at a guy like Tim Walls and you're right. The competence is not exactly something he exudes.

[Tim Pool]

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but clowns are not typically considered masculine.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Unless there's like a sort of barbell 19.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't see them as feminine either, though. There's a weird thing going on there.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's just you don't look at.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Tim Waltz, so I guess I shouldn't.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I don't know the right word is but. Bouncing around on stage, shaking his bubbly.

[Ian Crossland]

He's a bubbly guy.

[Matt Walsh]

It doesn't. But to your point, it doesn't exude competence at all. And that's the thing. Like, I like. I mean, you could be a guy. You could be a great chef.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Matt Walsh]

Masculine.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's very true.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And that's, like, feminine. Right. Women cook but almost all the top chefs in the world are men. And no one's like, oh, he's a cook that's, like, so girly. But also, you know, with. It's almost like dude wipes as a phenomenon. Do you remember this? They're basically just baby wipes, but they put them in a package and called them dude wipes because they thought men would pay more for them, which is, like, ironically, one of the most effeminate things you could possibly do. I need to spend more money on a little treat for me that's going to make me feel more manly. Very embarrassing. Tim Walls kind of felt like that. Like, we're just going to. We're just. We're just going to call them like the dude wipes of political leaders. But maybe tampon. Tim is already saying, there you go.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from the post. Millennial Malcolm Nance warns minorities will face roundup under Trump, be put in camps after America voted for dictatorship.

[Phil Labonte]

We are blessed with lolca.

[Tim Pool]

No one's ever accused this guy of being of sound mind. He tweets. Let's get something straight. The American people voted to absolutely make sure loads of people would die at Trump's hands. Their daughters, their wives, children, and their fellow citizens would die from school shootings, pregnancy, and easily cured diseases. It's free hunting season for blacks with immunity for white cops. Muslims and Latinos will definitely die in mass deportation, run into camps. Gaza will be bulldozed, if not ethnically cleansed. Iranians who want democracy will die. Ukrainians are dying in droves already. This man is unwell.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, it's got to be crack in that pipe. What is this guy?

[Tim Pool]

The issue is, you know, I'll mention Alan Lichtman, the guy with the keys to the White House. Prediction is that Kamala was going to win. I feel really bad for him. He had this great track record, and then he decided at some point that CNN was trustworthy. And this is the same thing with people like Malcolm Nance. They live in this brainwashed cult world where they watch MSNBC all day and MSNBC is just spewing fake news for money. And these people believe it. And this is where they end up thinking that we're in, oh, it's 1933 again.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's open season in cop. He literally, he says it's like open hunting season for black men and cops going to shoot them. I mean, the last year I looked at was 2019, but it was like there were. There were about 10 unarmed black men killed by police officers the entire year.

[Phil Labonte]

That's a great point. Like the, the left tends to believe the most exaggerated and the most ridiculous things when, when, you know, right before and right around the time that George Floyd died, there were, if you asked your typical liberal, you know, they would say that there's probably hundreds to thousands of black men killed by police every year, every year. And things like, oh, I'm like, Donald Trump is going to deport everyone that's brown. It doesn't matter if you're a citizen or not, you're all going to go. That's, that's what they're talking about on, on X and Tick Tock and you're, you know, they're going to outlaw abortion. It is all histrionic. It is all the most extreme, ridiculous caricature. And I understand that generally the left has less of an understanding of the right than the right does of the left. The right will listen to the arguments made by the left and listen to the things that they want. And the right, or, and the, the left just tends to look at the right as a caricature of what the most evil is. But you'd think at some point they would begin to attempt to understand. And I don't think they are, they will.

[Matt Walsh]

But he, let's just to be clear, this guy doesn't believe any of that nonsense. I mean, he doesn't actually believe that there might be the most, you know, if you go on Tick tock and you see these, these girls screaming in the car and, and most of that is also fake, by the way. But if you're going to find anyone who actually believes that stuff, it's going to be the Tick Tock women screaming in cars. This guy doesn't believe it. You know, he doesn't believe it because if you actually believe that, then you would respond a certain way. And one thing you would do is you would, you would leave, you would leave the country. I mean, if you actually believed, if you actually believe that a fascist dictator is going to run the country now it's open season on you. Like anyone can shoot because he's a black guy. Anyone can shoot you. People are getting rounded up and put in camps and they're not going to cure diseases anymore. I don't know where that comes from. If you really believe that, then you would just leave. It would be an easy decision to leave the country, flee, flee for your life. But he's not going to do that. And because, you know, he's not, he's not sitting around in Fear. He's quite comfortable. And this is just rhetoric on his part.

[Tim Pool]

I do think there are going to be some people who leave.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Who? Celebrities who said that, God willing, I think this time it may be true. And you know why? There are two lists that we're hoping will be released by the Trump administration.

[Matt Walsh]

All right.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. So I think some people might want to get out before Donald Trump gets into office. You know what I mean?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. I just want to say this. I think because Donald Trump threatened to assassinate Liz Cheney, which is a very real thing that he actually said, and it's a true story and not fake news. I think Joe Biden has a responsibility to help the Cheneys leave the country right now for their own safety. And I think he also has to help every journalist who repeated that story leave the country because Trump is going to be vindictive.

[Matt Walsh]

I totally agree. That's very kind of you also to.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, thank you.

[Matt Walsh]

Be thinking about their well being.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, look, when you have a presidential candidate making those kinds of unbelievable, I would say, unbelievable threats, something has to be done to protect those people.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

This line about Muslims and Latinos is especially crazy. I don't know Muslims and Latinos that were. They were soon about to die in mass deportation and roundup camps. Why did he throw Muslims in there? I don't know. Are they here illegally as well?

[Tim Pool]

Why did Trump.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And there's the question, Elad.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but the Muslims voted for Trump. Trump.

[Ian Crossland]

And so did the Latinos.

[Tim Pool]

Right. And he's like, well, they're voting for, you know, because Trump's. Or racist or whatever. And it's just like, I kind of think, you know, what I love about this is they're basically screaming in the face of Latinos. You're stupid.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You have no agency. You're dumb. But you know what's funny is that Yale study that found white liberals talk down to black people. They exhibit. They pretend to be less competent than they are. Yes. When they speak to minorities. And this is exactly it. They think the poor minority is too stupid to figure out what they need for their families.

[Ian Crossland]

There is a little incoherence in his foreign policy, his geopolitical policies. Here he's complaining about the Russians with Ukrainians dying. He's complaining about the Ayatollah in Iranian. With the Iranians. But then he's also saying the Israelis will be emboldened to be genocide in Gazans.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Right.

[Ian Crossland]

So there's no. It's not coherent here. It's because, you know, because the Iranians are Actually attacking the Israelis, who. And the Iranians are saying they're trying to prevent, you know, alleged genocide in Gaza. And all of this is a mishmash. And Malcolm Nance is happy to see Donald Trump reelected because it's good for him personally and it's going to line his pockets because now whenever he says stuff like this, it will go mega viral. Attention to MSNBC will be through the roof. MSNBC did their best under their first Trump administration. And Malcolm Nance is now about to be a part of MSNBC's. You know, that's. That's enough for the second term.

[Tim Pool]

MSNBC is going to turn into some, like, liberal YouTube channel with one guy left on it, and they're going to get 40,000 views per video.

[Phil Labonte]

It's more left than the Young Turks is nowadays, especially with Anna and Cenk behaving the way that they have lately.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, and they have. But I think that's a good point. That and something to keep in mind that a lot of these people in the corporate media, they. Trump is basically a lifeline for them. He's going to keep them somewhat relevant for the next four years. I mean, they're not relevant and they have no influence. But. But at least it gives them kind of a niche for four years where they could just, you know, attack the Trump administration. And so really, I think many of them are quite. I think you're right. I think a lot of them are actually happy that he was elected.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Also, this line here, that women will die from getting pregnant. I mean, all of these abortion advocates in the abortion lobby know that that's not true, that women are not going to be prosecuted and never are for having miscarriages. But they're comfortable saying that even though it means that some women who actually are experiencing complications from a miscarriage will be less likely to go to a hospital and therefore more likely to die because they believe that they'll go to jail for having a miscarriage because it will help them to try to push back against abortion laws which cut into the profits of starting unborn babies.

[Tim Pool]

What I love about this line as well is that when you say something like, we should not allow abortions at nine months, they say, oh, that's an edge case. These things never happen. Why are you even arguing it? And then they go, here's one woman who died recently from a complication. And it's like, do they not follow the same logic?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, and it's not. Even though.

[Tim Pool]

Well, of course, yeah, but it's like you. They will argue an edge case and say, this is why we must have universal access. And then when you say, well, I disagree because it goes too far, they'd say, oh, those are edge cases.

[Matt Walsh]

They only talk when it comes to abortion. All they talk about is edge cases, cases. The entire conversation is, right, rape, incest, life of the mother. That's all they want to talk about with abortion. That's always been the case. Those are. You're talking about. Less than 1% of all cases fall into that category. And really, life of the mother cases are. That actually doesn't have. You never need an abortion to save a woman's life. So that's all they ever do. They never want to talk about the 99%. But I think this is another one of the great and really encouraging takeaways of Trump's victory is that, you know, we were told, even by, even by conservatives, we've been told for two years now that that Roe being overturned is gonna be a political disaster for, for Republicans, and we're gonna have this, it's gonna be an uprising of pro abortion feminists and they're gonna exact their revenge. And it just didn't happen. It did not materialize.

[Tim Pool]

I got it for you guys. I know exactly how you can get abortion banned 100%. It's really easy. First, you're going to need a Democrat administration in power. Then you need to win a midterm with Republicans. The Republicans need to tank the economy. Then once everyone's just super angry about the economy, you can, we can squeeze through any laws that you want. You can ban anything because people just, well, it's the economy, stupid. So my point here is, while Democrats were screaming at half their lungs that abortion was the principal issue and they were trying to make it an issue, the only thing anybody cared about was that butter was $7. It's not the biggest issue for Americans. I think it ranked at number five. And I'm not saying it's not important to you guys. I'm just saying you want to win an election, you go in economics.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And you're right, it did rank highly. But remember, when wanting to protect democracy or thinking democracy was under threat ranked highly, people assumed that that meant that liberals were concerned that Trump was going to destroy democracy. But then most of the people who answered that they were concerned about the future of democracy, democracy actually ended up voting for Trump. That's what we learned from the exit poll. So similarly, people saying abortion was a very important issue to them doesn't necessarily mean that they were coming from the pro abortion angle.

[Ian Crossland]

So Trump's Supreme Court was largely, obviously responsible for overturning Roe v. Wade. But Trump has since then said, I think he was confused, not confused, but said that he was a little bit reluctant with the overturning. And now he said that he wouldn't move forward with any sort of national abortion ban. Do you have any thoughts moving forward on who's going to be the guy to get you to the next level with banning abortion? Like Trump helped overturn Roe v. Wade. Do you think he's the guy to do the next step or do you see him sort of running away from it?

[Matt Walsh]

What do you mean, next step?

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, I'm assuming you want to see a national abortion ban.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I would. So, yeah, up to me, it would be federally banned from conception, period.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And I would love to see that. I don't think Trump. Trump's not going to do that.

[Tim Pool]

Define. Define abortion.

[Matt Walsh]

The intentional, violent determination of a pregnancy, I think.

[Tim Pool]

And the reason why I asked you to do this, because I think you.

[Matt Walsh]

Don'T need violent, actually intentional termination of a pregnancy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Intentional killer.

[Tim Pool]

There was that Jubilee video, I think was with Ben Shapiro. And the woman said, no, you're wrong. Abortion is not that. That's not what it is. And then I think it was Ben who said this. This liberal woman viewed abortion as just like a miscarriage or something.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Or like they'll say early deliveries. It's like, shut up.

[Ian Crossland]

No, she was saying, like, giving birth is an abortion or something.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that was on. That was the weird thing when I, I think we had someone on this show and she argued that birth was abortion. And I was like, what? Because it ends the pregnancy, right? And I was like, no abortion. Because I actually had this argument with Seamus like two years ago. And I was wrong because I said, no, abortions are. Could be in the instance of, say, like a miscarriage. And Seamus told me I was wrong and then I ended up not believing him and being wrong. And then we looked up the definition by law and Planned Parenthood, and I was like, oh, Seamus was right the whole time. Abortion, Planned Parenthood defines it as the intentional termination of a pregnancy that ends. That ends the life of the baby.

[Matt Walsh]

Right? Yeah. And yeah, if you are just ending the pregnancy itself, there's. Yes, I guess you could kill the baby. Right? You could refer to delivering a baby as ending the pregnancy. But, like, no one talks that way. But that's also an important point. This is the point about late term abortions is that. And these are. This is every case when you hear about well, there needed to be an abortion to save the woman's life. And this is almost always later term.

[Tim Pool]

Do you see that commercial they made? Okay, sorry. The woman's on the ground and she's bleeding, and the guy's like, doctor, what do I do? And he goes, she needs an abortion. And then the Republican congressman grabs the phone, is like, no. And I was, I was just like, if your wife falls on the ground covered in blood and you don't call 911, you call your physician, and on top of that, your physician doesn't advise you to call 911, you are crazy people.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, you need to probably get a new, need to get a new doctor. But, but that's the thing with, with a, with a later abortion when there can be cases where the pregnancy needs to end in order to preserve the woman's life. And so what? So the baby needs to be delivered, but killing the baby, aborting the baby is an extra step that obviously is not necessary to preserve the woman's life. You could just deliver the baby and, and, and then try to save the baby's life. So every time they're saying that, well, you need to get the abortion to preserve the woman's life, what they're saying is that, is that we need to deliver the baby and also kill the baby in the process, which is obviously a totally medically unnecessary.

[Tim Pool]

And it's even, that's, that's post viability. So in a circumstance where the baby's not going to survive on its own, it maybe, maybe it's, it's, it's too soon in the pregnancy, but the health of the mother is jeopardized. I've never heard a conservative argue that there should not be attempts to save the mother's life.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No. Well, also, it's even worse than that. You're absolutely right that that's how they frame this. When they claim that there are medically necessary abortions, which there aren't. But on top of that, when they're saying medically necessary abortions, they're also saying for reasons of mental health, this woman will be depressed if she doesn't get an abortion. She'll be more depressed if she does, I guess.

[Ian Crossland]

Matt, one of the things I was trying to get at, it seems as though over the past couple of decades, Republicans have become less and less pro life, and Donald Trump is clearly the most pro choice Republican we've ever had. What do you think about the direction of the Republican Party in relation to this issue?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I think if it were if it were totally up to me, as I said, I'd have a federal abortion ban. That's not, that's not what's happening. Trump's not going to do that. I don't think any Republican president in the foreseeable future is going to do that. Is going to campaign on that. And so this, this does move into the states. And that's just, I believe in, like, acknowledging reality for what it is and then trying to operate within reality rather than demanding that reality be something that it's not. And so that's the, that's the reality that we're operating in right now as a pro life movement. We're operating in a reality where there's not, there's no federal ban. There's probably not going to be one anytime in the near future. And so it becomes a state by state battle. And so that's, that's, that's the future. That's, that's what we need to fight. It is, it is in the states. And I mean, moreover, there seems to.

[Ian Crossland]

Be a pro choice consensus among both parties. I feel like Republicans are now split and Democrats are probably around 80, 20.

[Matt Walsh]

Depends on what you mean by pro choice.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah, 14 weeks, give or take a couple of weeks.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know. I don't know if I go so far as to say consensus among. I mean, there are plenty of, you know, very pro life Republicans even in elected office. And I think what you're finding in some cases is pro lifers and Republicans adopting this kind of incremental approach to protecting babies, which I agree with. Incrementalism. All incrementalism means is that I am going to select the best possible option available to me right now. And so if the best thing I can do right now, the best thing I can achieve right now is protecting babies past X point, then I'll take that. I'll take that now and then I'm going to immediately start working for the next thing. I mean, I say the same thing about when we're, when we're, the fight to protect children from, from gender, you know, quote, unquote, gender transition. Right. And to me, that's incremental. So I want to protect the children from this, from the, this butchery. I also happen to think personally that it shouldn't be legal for doctors to do that to anybody. I don't care how old you are.

[Ian Crossland]

I think the incrementalism, though, is we're seeing it go in the opposite direction. I mean, Bush was pro life, Mitt Romney was extremely pro Life. And I think Trump is almost. Trump is too.

[Tim Pool]

And Trump got Roe overturned.

[Ian Crossland]

I don't think Trump is pro life.

[Tim Pool]

Well, he says he is, but I do think this is kind of an absurd argument that those presidents you mentioned did not get Roe overturned. And so it's fascinating me that there are pro lifers who are like, I would not vote for Donald Trump. I'm like, he's given you more than any Republican president's ever, ever given you on the issue.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. I don't know if I agree with your premise. I do think that Trump is more pro life than, say, Bush was. He appointed the pro life justices.

[Ian Crossland]

He is the only opportunity, though, because Bush did what Clarence Thomas, who was extremely pro life, if I'm not mistaken.

[Matt Walsh]

I'm talking about W. Bush. W. Bush.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And Roberts.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Then W.D. roberts, who is really lame.

[Matt Walsh]

And here's the other thing. This is, this is not a small thing. This is significant. Trump is the only president who spoke at the March for Life. And you know, I, I've been, I've been going, I've been to the March for life for eight years. The March for Life was happening in D.C. under Bush's tenure. Never showed up. Never showed up one time. And, and that, that really tells you something. So I, I think that at a minimum, Trump is as pro life as past Republican presidents. I think you can make an argument that he's more. He's not as pro life as I am, but I don't think that he's a step back on that issue.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this story from Fox News. Special counsel Jack Smith moves to drop Trump election interference case. President elect Trump promised during the campaign to fire Smith within two seconds after taking office. Here, here. And then Jack Smith ordered by House GOP to preserve all documents related to Trump cases. So it's looking like these people are scared.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, Trump didn't need to even get into office. And Hamas is already calling for an end of the war. Jack Smith is already backing off. Judge Mershant is signaling he may get rid and dismiss these 34 charges against Donald Trump. That's it. This was clearly an attempt by Trump's political opponents to use the legal system to stop him from winning an election. And he won it.

[Phil Labonte]

There's an argument that I made the other day about the price of energy and how when you have someone like Trump in office, the price of energy might just start going down because the futures mark that he'll signal to business that there's going to be fewer, fewer regulations making it easier to do business. The futures market will respond to that. And actually the price of, of gas might actually go down because of it. And it's not just list, that's not exclusive to economic things. You see the behavior of other countries because he won the presidency. You see the behavior of Putin, you see the behavior of Hamas. You see that, that because the Trump, because Trump is coming into office just like when, that they're responding to Trump coming into office just like when Reagan was coming into office. Iran responded. The idea that, that the United States is. Lives in a vacuum and that the president, who the president is, is of no consequence to other countries or to the economy or to anything else. The United States is the most consequential country in the world, without question, bar none. And so when the United States moves, the rest of the world responds every single time. You know, it said that when the US Gets a, has a sneeze, the rest of the world gets a cold. And those kind of things are real. And this is an unmitigated positive thing that Donald Trump is coming in. There's, there have been zero negative things happen in the world since, like on the international scope or whatever, foreign policy scope, just because Donald Trump is going to be in office.

[Tim Pool]

And then it's just things are gradually improving. That was a joke I made to Seamus. He should make a cartoon where Trump's walking and everything's just getting better and improving and people are getting richer and a guy's like, the war is over. Then he gets there and he's like, I guess my job's done.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. No, it's a beautiful thing. People are going to respond to the pressure that they believe the Trump administration will put on them or the lack of pressure that the Trump administration is perceived to be putting on their enemies or will put on their enemies.

[Tim Pool]

But take a look at this from Real Clear Politics. Voters anxious about democracy. Take a look. They asked people. Democracy in the US Is very secure, somewhat secure, somewhat threatened. Very threatened. And among the very threatened cohort, they voted for Trump at a 4% edge.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And so what does that tell you? The people in this country who think democracy is being threatened aren't concerned about January 6th. They're concerned about Jack Smith.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, for good reason. It's honestly a smarter way of looking at it. Right. Like, firstly, January 6th is nowhere near what they, they made it out to be. It was nowhere near as bad as the, the COVID riots and the 529 insurrection, but also Even if we wanted to claim that it was like, the guy with the knife or lack of a knife, but just the big scary dude who threatens to rob you when you have five bucks on you seems like a more immediate threat. But, you know, when someone hacks your bank account and empties it, that's actually way worse for you overall. And I would say that's what Jack Smith represents as opposed to the J6 Sixers. Though, of course, I don't actually give a sense of the idea that that's what the J Sixers are.

[Phil Labonte]

I think that the, the argument that Elon Musk made on the Joe Rogan podcast actually resonated with the American people, that the situation with the, with immigration, with the HHS program, the, the. What is it? The refugee resettlement program, it's being run by the Health and Human Services Department, transporting people that are. That. That show up at the border and they say that they are looking for asylum. They bring them into the country, they transport them to purple states, and with the goal of those people becoming citizens and voting for Democrats, there's intent in that. And I think that the American people realized it. I think the American people believed, because of the influx, because everyone knows that there's way more. You know, there's like 10 or whatever, 15 million illegals in the country in four years, which is just an astronomical number. And I think because of that, the American people were like, look, the, The. The additional people in the United States, they're going to dilute my vote. They're going to make my vote mean less. And you saw the things that were happening in small towns like in Ohio, and I. Whether you think they were actually eating the dogs or eating the cats is totally irrelevant. It brought focus to those people that were suffering because of a massive influx. Their, Their town, what doubled in, in population, or maybe it was. I don't know the exact number, but it was a massive, massive increase that no small town could ever, ever hope to support. And people saw that and they're like, yeah, this is a bad thing. The influx of people makes housing more expensive. The influx of people does not automatically make prices go down. So I think that the American people saw this as a threat to their ability to influence their representatives. And so that's the actual threat to democracy that they saw. And it wasn't the, oh, Donald Trump's going to end democracy. It was, the Democrats are using my tax money to dilute my actual. My voting ability and dilute the impact of my vote.

[Ian Crossland]

And to add on to that These people don't even have to vote to have an electoral impact because Congress, congressional seats are delegated by population based on the census. So these people, even if they don't vote, even if they never become citizens, will still have political power allocated as a result of them existing there. So.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, no, yeah, exactly.

[Ian Crossland]

Not that they won't eventually get citizenship or in some cities, they don't even require citizenship to engage in voting for their lower level.

[Matt Walsh]

I do, I do wonder, you know, I guess the, the, what most conservatives would say is that, especially when you look at those results, that Trump voters think that, you know, the threat to democracy is coming from the other end. Most conservatives would probably say that a lot of voters were concerned about the legal cases and that, and that that was the threat against democracy is the law fare, which is probably true. But I also wonder, I kind of think that that all these criminal cases that, of course, all this was, it was, they weren't even really criminal cases. It was not about throwing, they weren't even trying to throw Trump in jail. I mean, they would have loved to put him in jail if they could, but that was like a secondary benefit. Yeah, it was really just about making a political case against Trump to stop him from being elected. And I sort of think that it, I don't think that it's, I think it had zero impact at all. I don't know if anybody was really thinking about that when they went to the polls. I think it's like it just had zero impact. It was a total non factor altogether, which maybe I'm wrong about that, but to me, that's in some ways the most delicious kind of poetic justice is if they went through all this effort with all the lawfare and it's like nobody cared at all, it might as well not. It made zero impact.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Because people were just so turned off, turned tuned out of the whole thing.

[Ian Crossland]

So I actually asked this to Knowles yesterday. Obviously, a lot of people went after Trump and the Trump administration, former Trump administration officials, for example, Steve Bannon. Do you believe the Trump administration moving forward should seek retribution to some people who have broken the law, Democrats who've attacked him, or kind of, you know, be more conciliatory moving forward.

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, retribution.

[Ian Crossland]

And do you have anybody in mind in particular?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, I, the problem is that the list is so long, I don't know that you could start. And also in the federal government, the people that are, we just, we just, we start, we open the show with it, with the FEMA thing. The people that are in A corrupt way, wielding the power of the federal government in illegal and corrupt ways. We don't even know their names. And should Trump get in there and find these people and root them out, get to the core of it and prosecute them and throw them in jail? Yes, if that's what we mean by retribution. Yes, that's absolutely. He needs to do that. And I would even call it retribution.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Matt Walsh]

It's not even. Richard, so, so, you know, because retribution makes it sound petty and personal and like he's only just concerned about, about the people that annoyed him or frustrated him. No, this is about finding the corrupt people, the people that are breaking the law and, and holding them accountable. It's about justice, like giving people what they deserve. Well, and, and, and that's, that's what it is to me.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, No, I totally agree. When it comes to the lawfare against Donald Trump too, obviously the left is projecting that's a clear cut case of retribution. Doesn't have anything to do with an actual crime being committed. And I think part of the reason that the voters who seem to care about that the most were people who were worried about it rather than people who actually thought that the fact that he was a convicted felon care carried any water is a product of the fact that, you know, your average voter isn't all that interested in the abstractions. Right. What they're concerned with, again, as we talked about earlier, is the price of butter. Not like, did he fail to properly disclose a specific campaign expenditure or did his lawyer and was he aware of this at the time? Nobody cares. Nobody cares. And especially when you consider the fact that the charges that were brought against him were a misdemeanor and then raised to the level of a felony and then the statute of limitations was extended. It's just, I don't think people, it's.

[Ian Crossland]

So hard to keep track of all the cases against Trump. I'm not even 100% sure of this, but I think that Jack Smith was the classified documents case. There were so many cases against stuff. There was the 1-6-6 stuff. There was the tax stuff in New York. I feel like I'm forgetting a couple. What happened in Georgia, again, there was just so many cases. I don't know how the average American could pay attention and keep track of.

[Phil Labonte]

I don't think they did. I think he's right. A lot of that stuff just kind of became like in the fuzz or whatever.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. That's the thing. Most Americans were like, which case is that again? How many cases are there weren't even paying attention. And there was always also this weird messaging problem for Democrats when it came to this because they were going around saying, oh, he's a convict.

[Tim Pool]

This.

[Matt Walsh]

You're going to elect a convicted felon. Well, and leave aside the fact that what he was convicted of is totally bogus. These are the same people who for years have been telling us that just because someone is, has a past criminal history that doesn't reflect on them at all. These, like, it's totally irrelevant and we should be rehabilitating people second chances and all of that. So they should be celebrating that. I mean, if they really believe his convicted felon, this is a great story of redemption, is it not? I mean, by their own logic, there's.

[Phil Labonte]

Always arguments to be made that the, the left doesn't actually believe in hypocrisy at all. Like, they'll, they'll use it against you if you allow them. But they don't actually believe in hypocrisy because they don't believe any, any of the arguments they make. Their only function is to attain power. So the arguments they make one day will switch the next as soon as they're no longer functional. So when people say stuff like that, I would just always be like, well, the founders were felons according to the Crown, so up yours.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Although, I mean, the left, and that's the thing about it, we say hip. Most people think hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. And that's not actually what hypocrisy is. Hypocrisy is just pretending that you believe something you don't actually believe.

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And. And so in that sense, I mean, these, these people are, are hypocrites in the, in the truest sense of the, of the word.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, no, it's very true. And of course it never applies to them.

[Ian Crossland]

I looked it up. I think Jack Smith was the January 6th case just.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, yeah, get my cases in order. I just want to mention this. Like, when your values are complete and total licentiousness, it's impossible to be a hypocrite. Like, what standard are you being held to?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, when you're, and when you're a relativist. Right. When you, when you, when you believe the truth is relative and we all have our own truth. This is my truth. I'm standing on my truth. And if you actually believe that, which they do, I mean, this is the core of leftism, is that it's relativism, that they really do believe that we all have our own truth and our own reality. And if that's the case, then yeah, you can't really be. There is no double standard because everybody lives in their own universe and has their own standards according to that.

[Ian Crossland]

If people have different truths, then there is no real truth. And I mean, never get on the same page.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Then your truth is literally an absurdity. It's self refuting. There's no such thing as your truth.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I'm just over here tracking the old results, which we're still waiting for a couple minutes before we go to super chats. But Republicans may only end up with 220 right now.

[Ian Crossland]

Is there an update on Carrie Lake in.

[Tim Pool]

Carrie Lake doesn't seem to be improving enough as time goes on. In Arizona, there's still 83. There's 83% reporting, 17% left, but she's still down by like 35K. Looks like, looks like, looks like 34. And so Charlie Kirk had hope because at the time, with half a million outstanding, she only needed to. She only needed 51% of the remaining to come in for her and she'd end up winning. But she's still down 34. There's a possibility, but I don't know for sure. I guess we'll have.

[Ian Crossland]

Arizona's such an interesting state. They had John McCain as their senators, what, something like a decade ago. And to flip over to somebody like Carrie Lake, it's a bunch of last minute mail.

[Tim Pool]

Ins came in for Jackie Rosen. So she won Nevada defeating Sam Brown. None of these candidates got 39,364. Would you look at that?

[Matt Walsh]

Wow.

[Ian Crossland]

And Sam Brown was a war veteran, a combat veteran, I believe that's pretty wild.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And it's. And It's. So the AP said PA is over. So it's 53. But decision desk won't call it. Bob Casey is not giving up and he's saying, no, we're going to get it. Despite the fact he's down nearly 40,000. And the AP said with the remaining ballots in, they don't come from anywhere that Casey was winning. So there's no point. But, you know, for trying, I guess Republicans should be doing the same thing.

[Ian Crossland]

Wisconsin and Michigan are so interesting here because these are states Trump won.

[Tim Pool]

And well, what's really fascinating is that Ruben Gallego got more votes than Harris. Like a lot, like a couple hundred thousand more.

[Ian Crossland]

She's really running below the ticket, huh? Or, well, she was.

[Tim Pool]

That's pretty crazy.

[Ian Crossland]

That is very weird.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. All right, everybody, we're gonna go to super chat so smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Head over to timcats.com click join us, become a member. Because all of our members on the Discord server want to be friends with you. And they really do. They're always asking me, saying, tim, you got to shout the Discord out more. We got tens of thousands of people hanging out. They got morning shows, they got pre shows, after shows. It is a party and you are invited as a member. You are supporting this show. You make it all possible. So thank you very much. Here we go. Dalamar says, sup, Victory. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, you only got a few. A couple hours left, I believe. But if you go to cast brew.com and use promo code victory, all caps, you get 30% off. So I'll say that one more time because it's only good until the end of the night. Victory is the promo code, all capscastbrew.com 30% off. Get your coffee, buy it today. Scooby Dragon says, howdy, people. Howdy. All right, Ray bert G. Stanbert Jr. Says, Gentlemen, just want to mention that while we have made a big win in protecting our democracy this week, the winter arc is upon us. Soon hit the gym, turnpike the trail, make them speechless. How many of you made your goal of being fit by the election? That was something we had going on on our server. Fit cast, where I said, everybody should be in shape by the time the election happens. And perhaps because everyone was in shape, Trump won.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's why.

[Matt Walsh]

What. What accounts as being in shape kind of shape are we going for here?

[Phil Labonte]

We were looking for personal improvement.

[Tim Pool]

Personal improvement, yeah. So, you know, like, if someone's 300 pounds and you get down 250, like, hey, that's good. You know, you're working on yourself. That's fantastic. So some people, I think, actually ended up getting ripped. They were like, let's go. And now they can carry two Seamus at once. Wow, that's a hefty load.

[Phil Labonte]

Who Shamoose?

[Seamus Coughlin]

The world couldn't handle two of me. All right, Right.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's right. Garrett Elus has been watching the Daily Wire for five plus years and Tim Cast for almost two years. Amazing seeing this team up. All my favorite political commentators in one place. Though sadly, I must say, Noles is my favorite MAGA 2024.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I thought you had good taste until the very end there.

[Matt Walsh]

That's a disgrace.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, he called you a stone cold psychopath on the show the other day.

[Matt Walsh]

He did?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Is that what no said?

[Phil Labonte]

Yeah, you do have an amazing ability to. To deadpan. Like, the movie was great and it was really impressive.

[Tim Pool]

The point was that the talent of Matt Walsh's. Your deadpan delivery of your trolling is just.

[Ian Crossland]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

People can't tell if you're serious or not. And then he said, well, he's a stone cold psychopath, so I'll take it.

[Matt Walsh]

I'll take. I'll take that as a compliment.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Can I ask you a question about. So, like, when you're in a room surrounded by a bunch of, like, DEI experts and groveling liberals and you say, you know, I. I'm sorry, I thought I had 17 black friends, but it might have been 15. Like, what is going through your head in that moment as you're talking to those people?

[Tim Pool]

Well, that was the. You apologize.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What is happening? And turn. I'm, like, curious, like, what's going through your head.

[Matt Walsh]

In that moment? I was proud of myself for thinking of that line. I just. And I. And you know, because when you're making a movie too, I'm always. You're always, you know, you get a line in there or something, you think, okay, well, that. That's going to make it in. That'll make the cut. There's a trailer. Sometimes I'm. I'm doing the trailer in my head, you know, like, yeah, that's a trailer moment.

[Tim Pool]

It was just. Just to clarify what was so good about. It was you initially said you had 17 black friends, and then later on when they got mad at you, you apologize. Like, it might have been 15, as if that's why they were mad at you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Is it? I. But I'm also curious, too, because I. I think if I was in that situation, it would be really hard for me not to crack up. Like, do you not feel any temptation to laugh at all?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I get, I get that question a lot. But I. I think that there were. There were certainly moments throughout certain scenes where I had to stifle laughter. Well, in fact, it was. It was kind of convenient because the one scene that, to me was the funniest in the moment was raised to dinner and. And I was wearing a. A mask, a Covid mask for that, so I didn't have to worry as much about keeping a straight face. But usually through most of it in the moment, it's super uncomfortable and awkward, as you can imagine.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And you also have to keep in mind that, you know, it's. It's five minutes in the movie, but it was. It was an hour and a half in real time.

[Phil Labonte]

Oh.

[Matt Walsh]

And so it's like exhausting and awkward and these people are miserable to be around, so it's not a whole lot of fun. And I'm also a lot of what I'm hearing makes me kind of angry. I'm mad at what they're saying. So it's more of a temptation to start yelling at them. That's called, you know. So, yeah, there's not as much of a temptation as you would think to start laughing.

[Ian Crossland]

Has anybody in Hollywood reached out and told you they loved your movie yet?

[Matt Walsh]

Yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, nice. Well, keep that off the record. Off the record, but it happened with.

[Tim Pool]

With Trump winning the popular vote, I think we're to start seeing that shift where people, you know, we've been having these discussions about, with Trump winning this popular vote, do we now storm into the establishment media spaces? Basically, like, you go to these advertisers, you go to these production companies and say, you now know for a fact you are the minority market share. If your business wants to make money and operate as a business, the money's here, not there. I don't think a lot of these companies don't actually care about politics. In their mind, they're thinking, we don't want to be fringe political. So when the leftists were saying, well, they're all white supremacists, these advertisers, these production companies are just like, we don't want to be involved with whatever that is, so just disavow, disavow. Well, now we got a popular mandate. Trump won the popular vote. Now we can easily just go and say, and look at this. Trump's at 74,254,000 votes. So that's, he's hitting his numbers from last time around. Harris is at 70, she's down 11 million. You can now go to these companies and say, hey, guess what? You're on the wrong side of history. You saw, you bet on the wrong horse. Come back to the majority market share where the businesses lie and the money is, and we will welcome you. And then we'll displace the wokeness.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Do you think that will happen or.

[Ian Crossland]

Are you wishful thinking?

[Tim Pool]

No, I don't think it's wishful thinking at all. When Bud Light tanked, Target tanked these, Disney lost $1 billion. You're going to get some business consultant, he's going to say, I don't care about politics, I just want to sell soon. And now you go, you're going to, you're going to go to Bud Light, you're going to say, you learned your lesson, right? You sided with this minority fringe element thinking they were popular, and it burned your company to the ground, literally.

[Matt Walsh]

I think, I think we will see that in corporate, with brands in the corporate world, I think in the entertainment world, I think it's going to be a while before, you know, there are a lot of people in Hollywood that agree with us and that if they could do whatever they want, they'd make movies. You know, they, they'd make very different kinds of movies.

[Tim Pool]

I want to just say. Sorry, go ahead.

[Matt Walsh]

No, that was, that was.

[Tim Pool]

As of right now, Donald Trump has surpassed his 2020 total vote count.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

So he currently has more votes now than he got in 2020, whereas Kamala Harris is currently down just about 11 million votes.

[Ian Crossland]

How much of California's reporting in.

[Tim Pool]

And California's currently at 70%.

[Ian Crossland]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Pool]

And so a lot of people kept saying, where's the 20 million votes for Harris? And I pointed out we're only, at the time, we were only 60% California reporting. So she can expect to get another couple of million. I think she's, she's. There's no way she's getting the popular vote, but she may end up with like 71 or 72 million.

[Ian Crossland]

It's crazy considering how many Biden got. It was 80 plus million. 81 million in the past election.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Indeed. Dovak says. Can't wait to see all that remains at Sonic Temple. Love you guys. And keep it up. Phil, love hearing your takes and hearing that there are popular musicians who aren't afraid to speak out against the machine.

[Phil Labonte]

Cheers, man. Thanks.

[Tim Pool]

You know, we're not quite the machine, right? We've taken the popular mandate. If these companies are to turn around, do we become the machine if we're the majority controller of the institutions?

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like Nietzsche says that when you fight the abyss, you stare into it, don't become it, man.

[Phil Labonte]

That's, that's, that's actually the point. Like, that's right. Like, you can be like, in a position of, of influence without being, you know, without abandoning the principles that the US has been built on and that, that I, I feel like that's the point of fighting back against all this stuff is not to. Not to take, you know, take power so we can, so we can be oppressive about the things that we want. It's, it's to be in positions of influence so that way we can restore a country that respects the rights of everybody and, you know, respects people's differences and says, you know, there are Things that we're going to disagree about, but we're not going to, you know, excommunicate people from public life because they have the wrong opinions.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. We're also very far off from even having the temptation to be the machine or this is not a problem that we're going to have anytime soon, because, you know, to be the machine, you have to own all the institutions. And we just. Conservatives, we're not even close to that at this point. I mean, the institutions are owned by the left still now. And this is a generational. It's a generational fight. It's not going to happen.

[Ian Crossland]

Because right wingers, they're so much more individualistic than the left wing who want to work together and who have more. Has more affinity towards something like socialism, as opposed to right wingers who are. They'd rather do it themselves. They don't want to join together and work together. They want to do it themselves. As opposed to a left winger who they'd rather go work at an established media. The New York Times, the Washington Post, and the right wing guy, rather do it himself.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, also, it's not just a question of our opinions or perspectives or biases becoming ascendant. It's a question of whether we will lie to people to make that happen and maintain that hegemony or maintain that hegemony. Because the problem with the media isn't simply that they have a bias, like that is a problem, but they lie.

[Phil Labonte]

All the time and they demand that you lie. It's more than that. It's, you know, men can become women.

[Matt Walsh]

No.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yep.

[Phil Labonte]

I'm not ever gonna believe that. Like, I might be polite to someone that's trans, but that doesn't mean that I'm ever, ever gonna believe that a man can become a woman.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. Did Michael Rappaport end up supporting Trump or no?

[Ian Crossland]

I believe so, but I'll check.

[Tim Pool]

Remember when he did that whole thing, he was like, voting for Donald Trump is on the table.

[Phil Labonte]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

And that was over Israel. Because right now Andy knows reporting that far left extremists are gathering outside of the Vic Theater in Chicago to shut down his performance over his support for Israel.

[Ian Crossland]

So comic Michael Rapaport says he lost Harris lost his vote over Israel.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. When? When did he say that?

[Ian Crossland]

August 1st.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but he came back after something happened and said Trump is off the table. Doesn't mean he voted for Harris. But I do think it's funny that these, like, staunch anti Trump people, you know, it's like, okay, well, Michael Rappaport, you're officially politically homeless. The far left is going after you because you support Israel and you don't got any allies on the Trump side.

[Ian Crossland]

So Rappaport actually endorsed Donald Trump. When I'm looking at this article came out a week ago, what I'm looking at, I'm looking at Newsweek, full list of, full list of celebrities endorsing Donald Trump. Kid Rock, Mel Gibson, Mel Gibson and more. But Rapaport was on the list. During November 2023 episode of his I Am Rapaport podcast, the actor said he would vote for Trump if Biden didn't get the Israel Hamas situation under control. If it comes to pig D, Donald Trump and smoking.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, no, no, no. I'm, I'm, I'm that. I don't believe that's correct because he came back out later and said his first statement was voting for pig dick. Donald Trump is on the table. And then like two months later he was like, nope, it's off the table. I'm not doing it. It's not going to happen. So I don't know his official position.

[Ian Crossland]

And I will say this though, I'm somebody who's extremely pro Israel. Michael Rapoport is as well. He makes pro Israel people, I think, look so stupid. Some of these pro Israel advocates are some of the who aren't doing good for the cause in my opinion. And I think Michael Rapaport is one of them. I don't want to put that out there.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't pay any attention to him. I'm curious, what would you say he does?

[Ian Crossland]

He's like screaming into a phone very aggressively, super close to his face and like making dumb faces and just sounding like a whiny little girl.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And yeah, he's close to the camera and then just screams at him.

[Ian Crossland]

Dumb jokes.

[Phil Labonte]

Like, I feel like that was his shtick about everything though. So he's just applying Israel to what his normal shtick is.

[Ian Crossland]

He's just getting angry on camera. It's you look stupid and whiny and you aren't making any points and you aren't convincing anybody. But yeah, we'll take the vote nonetheless.

[Tim Pool]

Well, let's see what we got here. We got Infinite Soul that he's saying we need to make America healthy again. Culture war episode. Dr. Lane Norton would be ideal as he as he has both worked in nutrition research and also run a monthly research review as well as being a champion powerlifter.

[Ian Crossland]

So excited to see if RFK Jr gets appointed something health related in the.

[Matt Walsh]

I think he will. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I love how people panic over that. As if we're just doing such a great job with, you know, maintaining and promoting health in America. And like, if we shake that system up, you know, we're screwed.

[Phil Labonte]

People are so ridiculous. Like, people act as if like we got rid of like the fda. Like that means that nothing would be safe anymore. It's as if, you know, liability doesn't still lie with the companies that, that are producing stuff. Like they, like, oh, like they, they would just go ahead and willy nilly throw razor blades into everything they make and all the food we e. Eat because, you know, no one would sue or anything like that. And another thing is they, they do that with the, with the Department of Education too. I'm personally very pro getting rid of the Department of Education entirely. And people act like it, like if we don't have it, like people won't be educated. It's like the Department of Education was created in 1979 and there have been zero significant discoveries in physics since 1979. Everything that's been discovered and happened in physics since, since the creation of the Department of Education has been built on things that we've already, that we already knew or theories that were already in place. There was zero new discoveries, zero movement in physics since the Department of Education was created. Everything happened before then. So the idea that without the doe, the Department of Education, the, that scientific research will stop and people will, will become foolish. That that is, or even that is a result of the Department of Education.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. People also think they conflate the Department of Education with the public school system. And so they think if you get rid of the Department of Education, you get rid of the public school system. That's not the case at all, of course. Public school system is almost entirely a state level thing. Now I'm in favor of getting rid of the public school system too, personally. Yeah, but that's, but Trump's not talking about doing that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's Project 22. That's the thing we were keeping quiet.

[Matt Walsh]

Right, right. We're not supposed to talk about that.

[Tim Pool]

I advocate for that all the time.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You should.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I think the whole public education system is, is, is ridiculous and I do not support it at all.

[Matt Walsh]

And it's. Yeah, we could do a whole thing. I mean, the, it. It has utterly failed to actually educate children. There's all. And you know, there's also. Speaking of Department of Education, 1. One of the only useful things the Department of Education has done in the last, I don't know, 30 years is about, is exactly. 20 years ago, they did a report about the. The sex abuse epidemic in the public school system by educators, by staff members, and they found that. And I don't want to get it wrong, but I think it was something like.

[Seamus Coughlin]

1 in 10 students will experience some form of sexual mistreatment. So whether that's a, you know, a really inappropriate sexual joke or a teacher touching them.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. One in ten. That's what I thought it was. One in ten. So you're talking about millions of millions of kids, and that was 20 years ago. And as far as I know, the Department of Education never followed up on that. They have not. They have not returned to see, you know, what's happened in the last 20 years, because nothing was done to solve that problem. And one thing we know is when you have a. When you have a widespread sex abuse epidemic in an institution, if you don't aggressively try to solve it, it's not going to just go away. It only gets worse. And they've done nothing about that because they're utterly useless.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're open about it. They say they want teachers to have secret conversations about students.

[Ian Crossland]

I mean, and as far as rfk. I'm sorry, I was going to say the Assistant Secretary for Health right now is currently a man who thinks he could be a woman, so can't get much.

[Phil Labonte]

And he's overweight, too.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. Guitar Swift says, prepare the crystals. So for those who don't know, it's a meme where someone said some liberal, you know, should be trapped in crystals for 10,000 years. And now Seamus has made, I think, two cartoons where Trump traps liberals in.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Crystals as it is. Right.

[Tim Pool]

And just traps them in crystals for 10,000 years. I guess it's funny.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Some people are saying it's from outdoor scrolls. It's not really, but it's funny nonetheless. Let's grab some more super chats. All right. Parasius, is that you say it. Paralysis. Matt Walsh's anime still satanic. Now that the Vatican has an anime mascot. I also remember the Daily Wire simping for Ron Desantis.

[Matt Walsh]

Is anime still satanic? You know, some of it. Some of it is. I think. I think. I think science has shown that it was. I think it was. 27 is satanic. Yeah, that was. That was the. That's also in Project 2025.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, they replicated. Yeah, yeah. And they actually did replicate that several times. So, yeah, between like, 27 and 33, the.

[Tim Pool]

The first chapter of Project 2025 is the case for banning anime in the United States.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Most People don't know that we're gonna.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Put tariffs on anime.

[Tim Pool]

All the weebs, you gotta go send them back.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm a big supporter of animation tariffs as an animator. Yeah, we, I mean anime has to be made way more expensive. They're competing with us.

[Tim Pool]

Well, they don't, don't, don't a lot of these studios hire Korean animators?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, in America. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

A lot of students.

[Tim Pool]

True. They're outsourcing animation.

[Matt Walsh]

Let me ask this. What. Because when I made that comment about anime, everyone's like, well, you don't even know what anime is. Well, how do you define anime? And I said, yeah, I guess I don't really what it. What is it?

[Ian Crossland]

I want to say like a Japanese cartoon.

[Matt Walsh]

Is it just. Is it any cartoon made in Japan? Is that anime?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yes, I believe so. I think anime just means animation.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's je. Anime references Japanese animation.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Okay, so if you, if it's anime, but so if it's in Japan, it's a cartoon.

[Tim Pool]

In Japan we refer to it as anime or made in.

[Matt Walsh]

They call it, they call it made in Japan.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I believe so. Yeah.

[Ian Crossland]

I, I think Japanese influence, I guess for the modern day people.

[Seamus Coughlin]

People debate over like people. And I don't.

[Tim Pool]

Anime. Anime is Japanese cartoons. Because.

[Matt Walsh]

Okay, so if you're in, if you're a Japanese person, do you. Would you consider Looney Tunes to be anime?

[Ian Crossland]

Because know, cartoon, maybe.

[Tim Pool]

However, there is a really, There is a really funny meme where it was a guy basically saying that he, a Japanese guy flies to America with, with Bugs Bunny T shirts and like a Tasmanian devil hat and is walking around talking to people. How excited he is to go see the Looney Tunes. And we'd all look at that person like a lunatic. And they were like, now you understand what it's like when these Americans fly to Japan and are like super excited about Goku and all stuff. Stuff. Although the meme isn't necessarily correct. The thing about in Japan with anime is that it's. They have more anime and manga than they do live action shows. Although it has been changing in the past, I don't know, couple. A couple decades. But it's just like we have Superman, they have Goku, they have, they have their characters. We have our characters, we have Mickey Mouse. Mickey Mouse is everywhere. Their shows can be a bit more serious than ours and they prefer like serialized shows more than we do and Satanism more often.

[Seamus Coughlin]

At least 27% of the time, perhaps.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed. Yes. Right. Right now I think the biggest problem with it is that for whatever reason, I don't know enough about it, but the studios are producing like 50 versions of one show. And then there's like 50. There's 50. There's 50 different shows, each with 50 versions of the same show. And it's the weirdest thing ever. So if you go to Amazon, for instance, and you look at, say, like the Crunchyroll, there's like 15 shows that are all titled something like I transported to another dimension where I'm a warrior. And they're titled literally. Like, that one is like that time I got reincarnated as a slime. And it's about a guy who dies, goes to a reality where you mean. Yeah, there's goblins and he's a slime and he's got magic powers. Then there's one where it's like I transported to a mythical world where I level up real fast. I'm not kidding. These are the titles of the shows are. And they're all basically the same thing. And I'm like, this is the weirdest thing ever. Could you imagine if, like, tomorrow you woke up and there were 15 shows called the Samsons, the Simpsons, the. The Sim Son, the Simp Singers? It's all just different versions of the Simpsons.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And they're all just Family Guy and American dad. And like.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there's three shows that are comparable. But imagine if they literally all at once right now came out with American Dad, American Uncle, American Grandfather, American Son, and you're just like, they're all the same show.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's true.

[Tim Pool]

That's what they're doing. It's the weirdest thing.

[Matt Walsh]

Thing that is weird. Can I just go back to the. To the initial question about me calling anime satanic?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Is. It's just. It's just, it's. It's always funny the things that people latch on to. Because that initial comment of mine, it was that we were doing. I was doing an all access. It was like two years ago, it was all access. Yeah, it's just like a live stream for our. For our subscribers. And it was a total just off the cuff, off hand remark that meant nothing to me at all because somebody brought up. Someone brought up anime and I said, that's satanic. Whatever. And then I just moved on. And for two years, like that one little sentence that it's just constantly brought up all the time as if this has become. It's like this has become a defining feature of me, apparently, is my opposition to anime. It's like the most important. It's One of. It's my. It's a platform of my.

[Ian Crossland]

People are committed, pro life, anti anime.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Ian Crossland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

One of my favorite memes is Jordan Peterson saying you have to watch Attack on Titan. Titan. Because it actually does sound like something Jordan Peter would. For those that know what Attack on Titan is about, it's completely plausible that. That Jordan Peterson would tell people to watch the show.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It was like an early AI Meme, Right?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Someone got an AI.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Really sounded like him.

[Tim Pool]

But the. The thing is that Attack on Titan is about punishing a nation for the sins of the past and people holding grudges. And I'm like, that's very much kind of what Jordan Pearson would talk about. So hearing that. That it's believable. I actually would love to sit down and have Jordan Peterson watch a couple episodes and then give us his explanation and understanding of the philosophy around the ideas. It's basically like a group of people terrorize another group of people. Thousands of years later, they're imprisoned, and it's just because they're the bad people who did bad things. It's interesting. More complicated show than that. They're giant monsters that eat people. But that's besides the point.

[Matt Walsh]

Have you had Jordan on the show?

[Tim Pool]

Just for a few minutes on election night. But, you know, the thing is, I've talked to him about it, and he thinks the culture war is a better show where we actually just will discuss larger ideas and philosophy. Whereas this show is we pull up news articles and comment on them. So, you know, we'll see. We'll see. I also think it would be. What we need is for. Here's my pitch to you, Matt. Having you and Seamus watch movies and comment on them would be the funniest thing ever. So Seamus and I were hanging out and we were watching. What was that movie called?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, my God.

[Tim Pool]

For Sale.

[Seamus Coughlin]

For Sale.

[Tim Pool]

And Seamus is just talking during the whole movie. But don't worry, it was funny because the movie was just the worst, one of the worst movies ever. And I was like, you know, what's funny is, like, this movie is intolerable, except for Seamus being here and providing the jokes. Now it's actually really funny. I was like, Seamus, you should actually do like a Mystery Science Theater 3000.

[Phil Labonte]

Mystery Science Shame is 3000.

[Tim Pool]

But I say this to you. There's two movies you need to watch and comment on. I don't know if you'll actually do it, but it's the Craft, the new one. Have you seen it?

[Matt Walsh]

No.

[Tim Pool]

And the Spiral. Okay, so The Craft is the remake in the 90s for teenage girls are witches or whatever.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, yeah, witchcraft thing. I've heard of it.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, well the remake, they're super woke. One of the witches is a trick, is a guy, but trans and they use a magic to turn the bully gay. And the whole thing is just this David Duchovny turns out to be an evil wizard or something and he's the patriarchy and he's like, I'm going to take women's powers away from them or something. And so it's actually just mind numbingly woke and bad. And the movie the Spiral is about an interracial gay couple that moves. He's already laughing. That moves to. Moves into this house and the neighbor is this wospy family. And then it turns out the Waspie family are immortals because they trick spoilers. I'm telling you what it's about. They trick interracial gay couples into moving into the house so they can. They need human sacrifices to be immortal and they, they can easily get people to turn against the minorities. So that's what they do. Like hearing you guys like comment on these would be absolutely hilarious.

[Phil Labonte]

Hearing you tell Matt Walsh that he needs to watch this movie is hilarious.

[Matt Walsh]

I know, but. So he needs to take their life force or something. But why do they need to be interracial and also gay?

[Tim Pool]

So his in the movie, I don't understand. At the end he says something like, you can't just sacrifice anybody because people will find out and they'll be mad that you did it. But when you bring a marginalized group in and he literally says this and it's been. I watched. I can't remember. It's been a long time. It's a shutter film. He's like, maybe they're Muslim or gay or trans or black, but no one seems to care when they go.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Those would all be hashtags. Those would all be hashtags the next day. Everyone in the country talking about it for weeks.

[Tim Pool]

I could be getting the movie wrong because I watched it. I couldn't actually watch it. So it was like it was on.

[Matt Walsh]

So as long as it's one of the only groups that anyone actually cares about when they die.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Dude, I would actually be more interested in remaking that movie Netflix style where we swap the races.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, you got a lure. You got to lower middle aged white men.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Walsh]

They never get the hashtag. There's never. Remember their name. Like never hashtag happen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Say his name.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's grab this one. Is this dom says, Matt Walsh, you were recommended an anime that you were bound to hate. It was a poor choice. Watch Vinland Saga.

[Matt Walsh]

I watched. What did I watch? One Punch Man.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that was great. Did you like it?

[Matt Walsh]

No.

[Tim Pool]

1. One Punch man is. Is. Is mocking anime.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, okay, but can I make the argument against it?

[Tim Pool]

Sure.

[Matt Walsh]

It's just weird, man.

[Tim Pool]

It's.

[Ian Crossland]

It's.

[Matt Walsh]

But that's my whole argument. It's just weird. I don't know. I tried to watch it. It was just weird.

[Tim Pool]

Here. The. The issue, I suppose, is you're watching a show that's intentionally mocking anime. And. And it's like if you watch anime and then you watch. If you've never seen anime, you're like, is this my anime? Well, no one man is meant to insult and mock anime. It's hilarious. So it's. It's. It's all a gag.

[Matt Walsh]

Okay, so what's the anime that I should watch?

[Ian Crossland]

Dragon Ball Z.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, don't listen to these people. Death Note. Death. Death Note is about people. Death Note is about a high school student. One day he finds a notebook that was dropped by a. By a Death God that if he writes their name in it, they'll die. And then he begins to develop this Machiavellian scheme to massacre people all across the world.

[Matt Walsh]

Didn't you. Am I having. Did you tell me that?

[Tim Pool]

I did tell you to watch this. And this is considered one of the best anime manga shows. It's much more serious. It's. It's. It's. It's really well done. And I'm going to spoil a little bit so I can get an idea. He's. He's intentionally killing people in a way that people will recognize a pattern so that they fear that someone is. Has. Has supernatural powers to murder. That's what he wants them to believe. So when the investigators are looking at people and trying to figure it out, with one hand, he's doing his homework. With his other hand, he's reaching into a paper potato chips and writing names down. It's. I recommend it. People love Death Note. It's good.

[Matt Walsh]

I just. You know what it is? A lot of it is just. I just can't get into the cartoons.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Like, I can't believe it.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, a cartoon could be funny. Okay, so that's what I can get into. So I could laugh. But. But if I. If I want to get invested in the story, I don't know. There's just. There's this wall that's put up. It's. I feel the Same way about musicals.

[Tim Pool]

You know, if you lost, you need.

[Ian Crossland]

This suspension of disbelief. I think that's what you're. You're missing here.

[Matt Walsh]

But.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But he's saying that musicals just don't allow that.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Once they start singing, I'm like, well, now. Now I'm aware that I'm watching a thing, and I don't. And so. And it's a little bit that too, with the. With. With cartoons. So a funny cartoon, like South Park's lyrics, I could watch that and laugh, but if I wanted. If I'm supposed to get invested in the story, I have trouble. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And they're like. They're big because they're serialized. You know, it's.

[Ian Crossland]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

You can't just watch an episode. One of the mistakes that they made in the 90s when they tried bringing anime to the United States is that they didn't understand this. The Americans were like, when we do cartoons, it doesn't matter. You watch one episode, you watch them all. At the end of the episode, everything goes back to normal. So they transported some anime over and they just spattered the episodes out randomly and it made literally no sense. So you're like, trying to watch and you're like, one, One episode, the guy's flying, the next one, the guy's made of cheese.

[Matt Walsh]

Is there any example of. So is this an American thing? Like, in America, we think of cartoons as. It's a funny thing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Like, they're only funny. So is there. Are there examples of American cartoon shows that are not.

[Tim Pool]

That are Avatar.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's kind of anime inspired, though, right?

[Matt Walsh]

But.

[Ian Crossland]

But it's American.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. So. So Avatar. And they. They have that series. There's three seasons, and it's critically acclaimed. It's an amazing show, actually. And then they have a Legend of Korra, which is pretty good, and it's fun.

[Matt Walsh]

And those are American. They're not anime.

[Tim Pool]

They. They are. It's an. They're American shows made by Nickelodeon in the style of anime but still animated.

[Ian Crossland]

I think they're made by Asian Americans, too. I don't know if that. Yeah, calculus. I don't know if that changes.

[Matt Walsh]

I'm talking about, like, you know what I mean? An American cartoon, American style, that's not funny. It's just supposed to be a drama or action or something.

[Seamus Coughlin]

There's plenty that aren't funny, but. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like Simpsons after season 10.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's so true, dude. It's crazy how fast that show fell off.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Most American cartoons are just considered just to be funny. I think.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And someone will try to do a dramatic element to them. Like Rick and Morty would do that thing where they would try to.

[Tim Pool]

That's. That's pure.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's why I said element. Oh, Samurai. Samurai Jack. Point is, it's a comedy, but they'll try to have a serious element.

[Tim Pool]

Samurai.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Samurai Jack's also kind of anime inspired.

[Ian Crossland]

I feel like this probably also made America.

[Tim Pool]

Samurai Jack is. Looks nothing like anime. It's a totally American style.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It is a. It's not made by an Asian actually, but. But it's all about fighting and it's about a samurai. And like, yes, there's clearly Asian inspiration there.

[Tim Pool]

Sure, sure. But it's. It's not. It's an American cartoon that is not funny.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I'm trying to think there's probably a couple kids shows that maybe fall into that category that are more educational.

[Tim Pool]

Invincible. Okay, well, we got. We got a couple. Invincible is one. Invincible is a new show on Amazon, which is a superhero show, actually. Fair point. Justice League, Spider Man, X Men, all this.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They're all serialized and they're not comedy.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I guess. I guess I should just.

[Tim Pool]

Justice League isn't serialized.

[Matt Walsh]

It's.

[Tim Pool]

It's partly. But the. The original X men series in 97 was. They brought it back. So Disney. Disney, actually. And actually, yeah. What if. Disney's Marvel. What if is three. I think it's three seasons and it's. It's a 3D cartoon style animation anyway. We're talking about cartoons now. We're going over time. I'm. I can barely talk anymore. Guys. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Become a [e-mail] Join the Discord. Everybody wants to be your friend. And they're sitting here being like, why won't you come in and be friends with us? Well, you got to go to timcast.com and sign up. Support the show. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Matt, do you want to shout anything out?

[Matt Walsh]

Am I racist? Is streaming right now on Daily wire. Go to daily wire.com and get signed up and watch the movie.

[Tim Pool]

Right on.

[Phil Labonte]

It's hilarious.

[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Ian Crossland]

Absolutely. I'm a lot of liahoo. I'm a journalist here at Timcast. This whole week's kind of been unreal. The Daily Wire crew and whole team here has been awesome. Tim, thank you so much for bringing us out here. It's pretty much it. I wanted to ask Matt Walsh, did you ever get an answer to are you racist? Did anybody ever.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He is.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, yeah, I got an answer. That's. That was an easy one for me to answer. The answer was yes.

[Ian Crossland]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

And also one, one last thing. It looks like Charlie Kirk shouted you out, Matt. Saying that we need to recognize Matt Walsh for his role in the landslide. For his. Matt courageously and effectively set out on a one man mission to expose the trans mafia. A great personal risk to himself with the film what is a woman? And then he shows this data showing that the. The. It greatly informed people on what was going on. And. Yeah. So congratulations, good sir.

[Matt Walsh]

Wow, that's a high compliment coming from Charlie Kirk, who, of course, I mean, if you, if you were to point to individual people outside of the Trump campaign or Trump himself responsible for Trump's victory, I mean, Charlie Kirk is like at the top of that list. I mean, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Well, thanks for hanging out. It's been a whole lot of fun. We are going to. Oh, Phil's here.

[Phil Labonte]

I am Phil. That remains.

[Tim Pool]

I am filled.

[Phil Labonte]

It remains on Twix. I am Phil. That remains official on Instagram. The band is all that remains. We have a brand new single out. It suck. It's called Forever Cold. You can check out it out on our YouTube page. You can check it out on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, Deezer. And don't forget the left lane is absolutely for crime.

[Tim Pool]

I am way too tired. We will see you all next week. We're back on Monday. YouTube.com Timcast News. Subscribe to my morning show channel. I'll see you all there.