GOP SUSPENDS Primary After SCOTUS Ruling, Democrats DECLARE WAR ft. Theo Wold

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Timcast IRL—“GOP SUSPENDS Primary After SCOTUS Ruling, Democrats DECLARE WAR”

Episode Date: May 1, 2026
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Main Guest: Theo Wold (Trump 45 White House alum; former Solicitor General of Idaho)
Panel: Tim Pool, Theo Wold, Eliyahu (White House correspondent), Carter Banks, Ian Crossland

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Overview

This episode centers on the seismic impact of a recent Supreme Court ruling banning race-based gerrymandering and its immediate fallout. Louisiana has suspended its House primaries to redraw congressional districts, which could result in significant Republican gains. The panel dissects the political and cultural ramifications: from the intensifying redistricting “war” between Democrats and Republicans, to the prospects for a permanent GOP supermajority, demographic changes, and reflections on American hyperpolarization. The episode also touches on the DOJ’s release of surveillance footage from an attempted Trump assassination, media bias, and evolving party dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Supreme Court Redistricting Ruling: Immediate Fallout

(04:16, Tim Pool) The show opens with the breaking news:

“Louisiana has announced it is suspending its primaries for the House after the Supreme Court ruled that they had racially gerrymandered congressional districts... Louisiana just said, so what? They've suspended the primary. They are going to redraw their maps in the 11th hour to give the Republicans two more seats. And Democrats are pissed. But I don't see them complaining about Virginia."

• Many states (notably Louisiana, Florida, and New York) are rushing to redraw maps.
• Republicans could swing up to 30 seats if all VRA (Voting Rights Act) districts are erased; demographic shifts from the 2030 census might add another 20.
• Democrats are preparing their own aggressive responses and are accused of having already maximally gerrymandered states like Illinois, New York, and California.

The Redistricting Arms Race

(13:11, Theo Wold):

"I think that's the crucial question ... the initial answer here from Jeff Landry is yes, I think he's already set this off ... the gauntlet's thrown not just at the Democrats, but I think the other Republican governors in the Southeast by, by Governor Landry here. So it's a big move."

• Theo Wold explains that the SCOTUS ruling sets a precedent others will exploit.
• Eliyahu points out many state governments are now spending more energy on districting than substantive policy, turning representation into a zero-sum partisan game.

Race, Representation, and the VRA

(16:40, Theo Wold):

“The interesting thing in citing Chicago as an example is ... there’s some seats that you cannot reconfigure without sacrificing black members of Congress ... you're going to lose some of those old school black Democrats.”

• The dilemma: maximizing “blue” advantage can mean eliminating long-serving black Democratic representatives.

(17:22, Tim Pool):

“Imagine Democrats come to you and they say, hey, we're gonna make it so your district is all black people... That's the Democrat strategy. That's their ethos. That's insane…”

• Tim Pool criticizes race-based districting as outdated and out of touch with people’s real shared interests (like regional economy and industry).

Data, Partisanship, and Gerrymandering

(34:13, Theo Wold):

“The ability to use precision data tools both on micro targeting and then also like the map analysis. That's totally new... you can literally run 300 different permutations through the software of how you are parsing individual houses in neighborhoods ... that just didn't exist ... until Obama starts redistricting.”

• The rise of massive, partisan, data-driven mapping has made gerrymandering “scientific.”

(42:11, Carter Banks / Tim Pool):

“If it's legal to gerrymander by political affiliation, can't they run like an AI algorithm to see all the voter rolls ... and then just draw 14 Democrat districts and they're going to be little snakes. And that'll be totally legal because it's by political affiliation ... that's exactly what you're describing.” (Tim, 42:47)

Political and Demographic Consequences

• Geographic hyperpolarization: As populations migrate (e.g., blue exodus from NY, CA), incoming voters either dilute their influence or reinforce red strongholds.
• Primaries, Not Generals: As districts grow safer for one party, the only fights are primaries, pushing both parties toward ideological extremes, furthering polarization.

(45:03, Tim Pool):

“With these seats moving, you will see more staunch Republicans in Congress and more 'squad' members in Congress. You will also then have states ideologically opposed to extreme degrees…”

Party “Warfare”, Blame, & Escalation

(25:31, Theo Wold):

“I think Tim said this the other day … it's maximum warfare, as the speaker in waiting, Hakeem Jeffries said.”

• Theo Wold notes that both major parties have contributed to escalating the redistricting arms race for over a decade. The panel debates blame going back to Obama, then McConnell, and beyond.

(32:12, Theo Wold):

“The actual judicial nomination war start in the Obama presidency when he nuked the filibuster … and so like … the redistricting war starts under Obama …”

Long-term Outlook: Permanent GOP Majority?

(38:49, Tim Pool):

“If everything plays out, Republicans will have a 24-seat majority just built in without swinging seats ... those are basically, you're transferring blue Democrat seats in California to what will become red Republican seats in Texas.” (Theo Wold, 40:26)

• The census shift and the end of racially-gerrymandered districts could lock in a durable GOP majority by the 2030s.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Hyperpolarization

(44:29, Tim Pool):

“These people have pushed abortion to the point of birth and we don't want abortion at all. That's not stopping. We will get to a point where it's even further than this ... There is no more can we compromise.”

On the Incentives of Modern Gerrymandering

(36:02, Theo Wold):

“If you control the governorship and the state legislature, more power to you. You can do that... In places in the south, there's almost a one-to-one between skin color and party registration.”

On Media Polarization

(53:47, Tim Pool):

“You watch CNN and I'm watching CNN and ... they're saying things like the war in Iran has led to an increase in gas prices. ... You turn on Ms. Now. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Non-stop, just Trump, Trump, Trump ... literally just. They, you know ... Just watch me for the next two hours beat this, this Trump pinata with a stick.”

On Political Violence, Disenfranchisement, and Modern Era Rhetoric

(85:09, Eliyahu):

“I think we are in an era of political assassinations. I think the rhetoric online is only incentiviz and encouraging people to get more crazy. ... and the less competitive any of these elections are, people will feel more and more disenfranchised. And their outlet for that may be violence, unfortunately.”

On Who Benefits from Race-based Policies

(63:41, Tim Pool):

“Neo Nazis and white supremacists prefer racial segregation ... Which political party advocates for political districts based on race? It's the Democratic Party. ... So real quick, and which political party hates Israel?”

On Sticking to Your Mistakes

(74:41, Tim Pool):

“If he came out and said, listen, I don't like his politics. If he came out and they were like, you have a Nazi tattoo. And he goes, you're damn right I do. Next question. I'd be like, damn, all right, that's infinitely more respectable.”

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 04:16: SCOTUS ruling and Louisiana suspending primaries—kicks off the redistricting “arms race”
• 13:11: Theo Wold: Louisiana’s legal and political move, pressure on other GOP governors
• 16:40: Theo Wold: Racial gerrymandering’s impact on black Democratic representatives
• 25:31: Theo Wold: “Maximum warfare” as redistricting arms race accelerates
• 29:51: Theo Wold: Justice Alito’s intent—race can’t be sole map basis, but partisanship is still fair game
• 34:13: Theo Wold: Data-driven gerrymandering, new precision since Obama era
• 38:49: The 2030 census and future GOP supermajority
• 44:29: Tim Pool: America’s ideological sorting and the inevitability of hyperpolarization
• 53:47: Tim Pool: Media’s obsession with Trump; satirical take on media bias
• 85:09: Eliyahu: Rising political violence, public discourse, and declining faith in the process

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Other Topics Covered

DOJ Footage of Trump Assassination Attempt

• Realistic assessment of the security incident.
• Discussion of the psychology of lone-wolf attackers and the inefficiency of “dumb” vs. “smart” would-be criminals.

White House & “Ballroom Bunker” Conspiracies

• Jokes and speculative discussion about White House renovations and the “ballroom bunker” conspiracy memes circulating online.

Cultural Sidebar:

• Extended riffs on topics from the history of punk imagery, Nazi symbolism in politics, American pop culture (e.g., Pokémon), religious attitudes, and the merit of self-taught vs. credentialed experts.

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Recurring Themes and Tone

• Cynicism toward institutional pretense: “Can we just argue? I will do everything to maximize the power of my political party.”
• Bipartisan blame: Both parties are called out for escalating the redistricting war over decades.
• Satire and irreverence: Joking about media bias (“Trump piñata channel”), Nazi tattoo scandals, and the White House’s “ballroom bunker.”
• Realpolitik: Open use of “warfare” language, blunt predictions about the demise of compromise and the ascent of party maximalism.
• Warning about future instability: The group repeatedly notes a growing risk of violence stemming from disenfranchisement and hyperpolarization.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is both a detailed breakdown of the latest redistricting fight and a sweeping analysis of U.S. polarization, culture war, and the fraying of democratic norms, peppered with humor, sharp asides, and candor about both parties’ blame. For those concerned about American democracy’s trajectory, it’s a warning and a diagnosis—delivered in the brash, sometimes darkly funny, always unfiltered style Timcast IRL is known for.

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Guest Notable: Theo Wold—GOP legal/political insider offering depth on constitutional law, SCOTUS precedent, and realpolitik strategy in this “redistricting war.”

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Select Quotes for Reference

• “It's maximum warfare, as the speaker in waiting, Hakeem Jeffries said.” (25:31, Theo Wold)
• “With these seats moving, you will see more staunch Republicans in Congress and more squad members in Congress.” (45:03, Tim Pool)
• “I think we are in an era of political assassinations. I think the rhetoric online is only incentiviz and encouraging people to get more crazy.” (85:09, Eliyahu)
• “Can we just talk about how insane that is? ... That's the Democrat strategy. That's their ethos. That's insane.” (17:22, Tim Pool)
• “This is why Democrats are flooding the nation with mass immigration.” (43:44, Theo Wold)

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Now some prominent Democrats say it won't matter because mail in votes have already been sent out in many of these Republican states anyway. What are they going to do about it? The ballots are already out. Louisiana just said, so what? They've suspended the primary. They are going to redraw their maps in the 11th hour to give the Republicans two more seats. And Democrats are pissed. But I don't see them complaining about Virginia. So nobody really has a leg to stand on. This is it. This is the game. Take your state, take your control, turn it into a 100% Democrat or Republican state and then we'll see who wins. Oh, what's that? Republicans are gonna win. That's right. Right. Now, if every state were to go blue and red purely, it would be a one seat Republican advantage. Not particularly good, but better than Democrats losing 30. If the VRA gerrymandered districts are redrawn, the Republicans can capture 30 seats. Now here's where it gets crazy. Based on inter state or interstate migration, Democrats are already expected to lose something like 20 seats. Some ridiculous number. You combine this with the VRA and we are looking at the potential for a permanent Republican supermajority. I mean, it's super majority in the House where they're going to have upwards of 30 or 40 seats above Democrats. So this is the Democrats, they've got to go full scale warfare on this one. That's why Hakeem Jeffrey said maximum warfare and he's proposing retaliation. Now the funny thing is he says, oh yeah, well, you know, Illinois, New York and California. And everyone's already like, you've already gerrymandered those states beyond recognition. I mean, you can squeeze a little bit more out of California, but Illinois, I don't know what you can get at that thing that's like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip. But they'll try and this is gonna get real interesting. So we'll talk about that. Plus, big news. 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[Theo Wold]

Great to be here, guys. Thanks for having me.

[Tim Pool]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Theo Wold]

Theo Wold, Trump 45, White House alum and DOJ, former solicitor general of Idaho. And probably the best thing about me, I'm a dad to five kids.

[Tim Pool]

That's absolutely incredible. That is the best thing. People got to have more babies. Yeah.

[Theo Wold]

Amen.

[Tim Pool]

I've been hanging out with my daughter all day and she's giggling and sassing.

[Carter Banks]

Career is like, awesome when you're young, but then when you're in your older years, it's like, okay, I already did it. Now what?

[Tim Pool]

Well, you do both.

[Carter Banks]

That's like, supposed to be family, you know, for the second part of your

[Tim Pool]

life, you do both. You know?

[Theo Wold]

Do both.

[Eliyahu]

You look like a young man when you get started

[Theo Wold]

10 years ago.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Eliyahu]

Nice.

[Theo Wold]

Had a honeymoon baby and we've been going ever since.

[Eliyahu]

That sounds like the right way to do it.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah.

[Eliyahu]

Honeymoon baby.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, totally. Nice.

[Carter Banks]

Nice.

[Tim Pool]

It'll be good to have you because we're talking about all of this gerrymandering stuff and the lawsuits in states, and I think you can help us out with that. So thanks for coming. Thanks for having me. A lot of here is here, of course.

[Eliyahu]

White House correspondent here at Tim cast a lot. Eliyahu, it's good to be here. Thank you.

[Carter Banks]

Cleanly shorn. Sorry to interrupt you there.

[Eliyahu]

So it's all good.

[Carter Banks]

What'd you say? Looking cleanly shorn. You look nice.

[Eliyahu]

Shorn. Thank you.

[Theo Wold]

Sense of shave mustache is impressive.

[Eliyahu]

Thank you.

[Tim Pool]

He's trying to look like his hero, John Bolton.

[Eliyahu]

Oh, well, given the circumstances, I figured I had to bring it back and come on strong.

[Theo Wold]

What's up, bros?

[Eliyahu]

Ian.

[Carter Banks]

Ian Crossland in the House. Good to be here. Carter Banks. Carter Banks also in the House. And let's go, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

Here's a story from the Washington Post. The Louisiana House suspension suspends House primaries as red states face pressure to redistrict. Governor Landry issued the order pausing next month's primaries until lawmakers can approve a new map, which could help the GOP gain one or two seats in the state this fall. Now it's not just Louisiana. Following the Supreme Court ruling, Kathy Hochul moves to change the New York district map after SCOTUS ruling bans race based gerrymandering. So I will say this. In the end, if you get rid of all these VRA districts, you're looking at 20 to 30 seats gained by Republicans. Combine that with the 2030 census, we are looking at Democrats losing an additional 20 or so seats. I mean, this news is apocalyptic for Democrats. Now I will stress this with the news that with the ruling from the Supreme Court, you got a lot of people saying, of course that Republicans can gain a bunch of seats. But the truth is Democrats can as well. If there's purple or blue controlled states, they can just argue, you know what, we should redraw our maps too, just to be sure. And if they have the political power, they're going to make that argument. This map is one of the most interesting. This is a map if all of the states maximally gerrymandered what it would look like. Now, to be fair, Maine probably could eliminate this red seat. But the argument for this map is Maine is fairly split. If you dilute too much of the blue, then you might actually just create two toss ups in order to create maximally red and blue districts. You end up with 2:17 Democrat to 2:18 Republican. And it will just be this. No more. I live in a district and there's mixed representation. It's literally just if your state is red, you're red. If your state is blue, you're blue. And I really do love this California map that people are showing off because all it does is, is put like 30 districts in San Francisco. You see this? Every single district just touches San Francisco to make sure it's a Democrat district. And this is one of the maps proposed by Democrats to eliminate four Republican seats. So what I will say is all of the news seems to be good for Republicans going into this midterm. If they take this action, the question is, will they take the action?

[Theo Wold]

I mean, I think that's the crucial question and it's the initial answer here from Jeff Landry is yes, I think he's already set this off. Where neighboring state. You know, Kay Ivey in Alabama, her first response to the court case was, sorry, we've got some pending federal litigation. We're not going to be able to do this. So the gauntlets thrown not just at the Democrats, but I think the other Republican governors in the Southeast by, by Governor Landry here. So it's, it's a big move.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts on what's going on here. I don't know if you guys have also mentioned maybe yesterday or earlier this week that Florida is also planning their

[Tim Pool]

own redistricting that would flip four seats,

[Eliyahu]

I believe four seats that would flip to the gop. You know, you have to imagine at the end of the day, if all these states go to their maximum gerrymander as like your previous picture or map showed, you have to imagine all of this just becomes a wash. And we just wasted a ton of time where these states probably could have been doing something better and passed bills that affects their constituents lives in a meaningful way. But instead of doing that, they're clogging up their state government time with, with this. And I don't know, you have to think it's a, just a waste of time and resources. And I mean people were fundraising based off of this. They were ballot initiatives in some states. And if all of this is just a wash, it just goes to show

[Tim Pool]

how well it's already on. I mean two seats from Louisiana short.

[Eliyahu]

Well, we'll, we'll have to see what will happen in the midterms ultimately if Trump avoids having the, the Democrats take over. I will say though, for New York's case, I think Kathy Hochul might be wrongfully optimistic. Back in 2014, the New York State House passed a constitutional law preventing gerrymandering from happening. And she actually tried to do so in 2022. And the Supreme Court in New York shot that down. It would nothing.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, but the new Supreme Court ruling creates precedent that can be used by anyone. Kathy Hochul can now argue they have no choice because they have to reassess the maps to make sure they're not racially gerrymandered. And then they can just argue, you know what this one is? They find a Republican district, too many Hispanic people, too many white people. They can make any argument they want at this point.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah. And I mean, there's seven Republican seats in New York that they squeeze out.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the crazy thing about the ruling is that what Alito said was the only guarantee you have as a minority is that you won't be. They won't use race as a, as a factor in your district. Now, let's say they end up redistricting in New York. Well then someone files a lawsuit, says, oh no, they used race, they're just lying. And then it goes to court again to try and figure out whether they use race or not. And then New York says, no, we did it by politics. And he's gonna say, then how come it's got a higher proportion of black and Hispanics than white people? So now what are they supposed to do? In order to avoid any challenge to the map, every district must be parity with nation level statistics on ethnicity and race.

[Carter Banks]

That can't happen. That's also not a very communist way to look at things.

[Tim Pool]

We are all the same so what happens in Chicago when they say this district is majority black, it's a racially gerrymandered district, so Illinois can't get really any more Democrat. To be fair, some of the maps people have made of Illinois to make it Democrat, every district has a thin vertical stripe that goes up and touches Chicago. It's the. Yeah, they could make the craziest dumb maps, but I think those wouldn't pass. But they've already gerrymandered to oblivion to create Democrat seats. I don't know how they make more Democrats than they already did.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah. And I think the interesting thing in citing Chicago as an example is the Democrats are also in something of a political bind with one of their leading constituency groups here, because there's some seats that you cannot reconfigure without sacrificing black members of Congress. And so, I mean, Democrats could go to maximally redraw Illinois, but you're going to lose some of those old school black Democrats, like a Danny Davis or someone like that, or Benny Thompson in Mississippi, for example. He's going to lose his seat. So I think, yeah, when you're looking at the Illinois map, look at this Illinois map, it's insane. But there's also going to be a lot of pressure on Democrats, especially in New York, to keep some of those safe black members of Congress in some kind of seat, even if it's not a majority black district.

[Tim Pool]

Can we just talk about how insane that is? That imagine Democrats come to you and they say, hey, we're gonna make it so your district is all black people. And like, you're a black guy and you're like, but I'm a big fan of Thomas Sowell and the guy across the street is a communist who wants to vote for Communism. How are we going to share a representative when our political values are totally different? Doesn't matter. You're both black. That's the Democrat strategy. That's their ethos. That's insane. What brings you all together is not whether you understand, agree with or disagree on policy. It's your skin. That's what Democrats are saying with the vra.

[Carter Banks]

I do think I mentioned this last night. I think that it came from a place where when they were blockbusting and like, all the rich white guys would stage, take like 18 blocks of nice area and they'd say, no, black people can't move in, or they wouldn't say it out loud.

[Tim Pool]

That's redlining, not black redlining.

[Carter Banks]

Thank you. Thank you. Redlining, redlining.

[Tim Pool]

And then they, you Know, blockbusting is when they intentionally do move black people into white neighborhoods.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Eliyahu]

Lining.

[Carter Banks]

And then they would just turn down their applications. They wouldn't rent to them and things. And then, so then the lawmakers like, look, we have to make sure these people still have a voice on the outskirts of town. We can't let these people in the middle of town control everything. So I see where it comes from

[Tim Pool]

now, but I think it's gone too far. Over decades. It was always, always silly to say what, what makes your voice is your race. That was always silly to say, yeah,

[Carter Banks]

it was supposed to be your location. I mean, it's supposed to be where you are.

[Tim Pool]

Surrounding area, location. Geography does play a role, but it's economics, it's economic standing, it is industry. So what they do with these maps, I mean, let's pull up this Illinois proposed map to gerrymander Illinois, make it all Democrat. This is, this is the proposed map. I don't think anyone seriously consider this because we never get passed. But the people down here near, near, you know, let's go, let's go near East St. Louis, just south of it. They stretch this district all the way. This is hilarious. Into Chicago. A guy who lives in Chicago and a guy who lives south of East St. Louis have very little in common economically, industrially. They're not voting for things together. So there's a proposed map for Louisiana after this gerrymander, which makes a lot of sense. The whole coastal, coastal region is a district. Why? These people live by water. So there's seafood industry, oil industry. There's flood.

[Theo Wold]

Coastal erosion.

[Tim Pool]

Coastal erosion. So they're going to vote based on things. And guess what? If you're a black guy and your neighbor's a white guy and next to him is an Asian guy and next to him is a Mexican guy and next to him is a Indian. Paraplegic, transgender Muslim. Doesn't even matter. Because they're all gonna say, we have a problem with coastal erosion. Then they all go to a candidate and he says, I want to implement race based policies. And they'll go, we don't care about that. We're all mad that we're going to. Our homes are sinking. That's what brings people together in terms of their interests that need to be represented in Congress. When a congressman goes to the federal government, says, my district needs money with this map in Illinois, they're going to say, what does it need money for? And they're going to go, gay race, communism. Is that representing anybody?

[Carter Banks]

No.

[Tim Pool]

But if you actually Broke it down by say, like farmland. They're going to be like, we need funding for, you know, machinery subsidy, corn subsidy or something like that. Whether you agree or not, they're all going to come together and say, our

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[Tim Pool]

We all work in the same area. We have similar values. This person represents us and they're gonna go to Congress for us.

[Carter Banks]

If this map, this Illinois map were real, would that mean that all the Republican voters then when they vote for their. Their representative, they have to vote for a Democrat.

[Tim Pool]

How does this work? Yes.

[Eliyahu]

So I mean they don't have.

[Tim Pool]

It means that your Republican candidate will only ever get 30%.

[Theo Wold]

Exactly.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Only ever get 30% of what?

[Tim Pool]

Of the vote in your district.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, I mean you would have Republican candidates, but they'd be annihilated in the general election by.

[Carter Banks]

But what if 60% of one of these blue local.

[Tim Pool]

They're not.

[Carter Banks]

That's why they're blue Republican.

[Tim Pool]

Notice Ian, that each district is a thin strip that goes into chicag that.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, so this is just color indicates the majority of the people in that zone are leaning yes.

[Tim Pool]

That's why it's all blue election map. And the middle one is light blue, indicating it's probably 55% Democrat. So you'll never really get a Republican winner. The idea is everybody south of Chicago on the far right strip, going down this strip right here, Every single person from this point down is a Republican. But In Chicago there's 200,000 Democrats. So when it comes to elections, the Democrats win the district every single time.

[Carter Banks]

So then if you just made Chicago its own zone and gave it like 12 seats or I don't know, whatever, that's what they actually do, aggregate proportion. Then you just let all the farmers have their, have their one representative.

[Theo Wold]

That's how it was in Illinois for a long time. So. And they in the last redistricting eliminated most of the Republican agricultural based seats. So this is just a maximalist move for what Democrats in Illinois have already done. And I think Tim is right. Like you kind of look at it, it's like, how much more can you get out of it? Because they've already done a version of this. Nothing as obscene as that.

[Tim Pool]

But so here's Illinois now and you can take a look at Chicago and you can see they've actually kind of done this. So you know, why is the first district stretching its little tiny portion right into Chicago like that? Yeah, what's the point of doing that? To make it a Democrat seat. So then you can take a look at Rockford. I love this. Rockford's up here and you stretch all the way around and down to Bloomington. What is this? It's because they want the city of Bloomington and Normal. We call it Bloomington Normal. They want that to be in the same district as Rockford because it increases the amount of Democrats above 50% to guarantee they always win. And then my favorite, of course. Well, the other one was my favorite. This one's my, my, my next big favorite. Thirteen, same thing. Slicing through rural southern Illinois farmland to connect East St. Louis Belleville with Springfield, Decatur and Champagne Urbana to lump all of these tiny urban centers into one district to justify a Democrat majority district. Because here's the reality. Outside of Springfield, this whole chunk, they got a lot in common with each other. Not with Springfield, though. Same thing with all these cities. If they just broke these up like normal blocks based on farmland industry, there would be no Democrat seats. They have already gerrymandered to oblivion. I mean, if they want to try and go ham with it and do something like this, that'll never get through a court. But that'd be hilarious if they Tried.

[Eliyahu]

Theo, what's your, I kind of guess, reaction to these hardball politics and the escalation that we're seeing in it?

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, I mean, I think I look, I think Tim said this the other day where you take the Democrats at their word, which is it's maximum warfare, as the speaker in waiting, Hakeem Jeffries said. And I think this gets back to the question of like, are Republicans actually going to exercise the will to maximize their advantage here? Which is, you got to understand what does the game look like now and the Democrats see what's coming, which is if you stop counting illegals in the census, if you actually eliminate race based districts, these majority minority districts, and if you stop some of the gimmicks that they played with election integrity rules in the 2020, and in some places in the 2024 election, a lot of the illegitimate electoral gains from Democrats, it just vanishes overnight. And then you tie in there. Like as you mentioned, Tim, the great sort where you have people leaving places like Orange County, California and they're moving to places like where I'm at in Boise, Idaho, or they're leaving Seattle and they're going to places like Montana a lot. We are right now as a country sorting ourselves sadly. I mean, this may offend some people, but we're sorting ourselves ideologically.

[Tim Pool]

Geographic hyperpolarization. But I see somebody in the chat, they said, tim, the Republicans are doing the exact same thing. False. Let me show you. So this is 270 to win. And we can take a look at the, the new Virginia map and you'll notice five congressional districts all in Fairfax County. They actually did the meme we, we were joking about Illinois. This is what they did in Virginia to eliminate four Republican seats. They made all of them go into one urban environment where there's a high density of Democrats so that they could eliminate four seats. Now, I want to show you this. This is where the fight began. So I got a correction from last night to se noski in the discord for correcting this. This begins in 2020 with the census. Following the census, Texas decided to redistrict based on the new population numbers and population movement. The Biden DOJ filed a lawsuit blocking the 2021 redistricting, which was on time, arguing the new districts were racially discriminatory. Now, one could argue they are or they aren't, but either way, this fight began when the Trump administration got in. One of the first things they did was they dropped that legal battle. Now, for the first time, Texas was able to finish its redistricting. And thus they did. From the Texas Tribune DOJ drops fight against Texas political maps as Trump administration retreats from voting rights cases the principal argument made by the Biden DOJ over racism was not even that they were eliminating seats to create new Republican seats. It's that it made existing Republican seats slightly more red, making them less competitive for Democrats. Again, they did not create new seats. They made less competitive seats. For this reason, the DOJ froze via lawsuit their ability to redistrict. When the Trump administration got in and dropped the lawsuit, Texas was now free to drop a new map. This, and I incorrectly stated, many have been saying was the Trump administration pressuring them to draw new maps mid decade. Technically, that's true, but it's not the basis for why it all began. The Trump administration said, we're dropping this lawsuit and you've got several gerrymandered districts. You can't do that. Texas said, okay, now they were finally able to drop new maps. The Trump administration did make the argument they can't do racially gerrymandered districts, so they needed to change. Then Democrats said, oh, yeah, and they start doing the same thing, or I should say, they start doing worse because again, when you go to 70 to win, eliminating four Republican districts by putting five districts in one city is psychotic. And you can see they've done it. Democrats wanted to play hardball. Here's the truth. Both the Democrats and the Republicans made the vra play in 2020. The Biden DOJ made the move against Texas in 2021 when they tried to redistrict, triggering the legal battle targeting the Voting Rights Act. Over the four years of Biden, all of these individuals in these states were preparing for this. The moment that the Trump administration backed off and the arguments had already made to the Supreme Court, every red state was prepared to launch their salvo. Now Democrats have a plan. We'll just see if that plan does anything.

[Theo Wold]

I think, I think the other thing here that is missed is the opinion from Justice Alito. I mean, you know the Democrats in the far left, Marco Lias, and those guys are hyperventilating about this. But the decision doesn't say that Section 2 of the VRA is gone and obliterated, as they maintain. It just says, as Tim noted a moment ago, you can't use race as the sole basis for, for drawing congressional districts. The old rules about it being compact communities of interest, that, and as Justice Leide said, partisanship, all of those things can be factors for drawing seats. And I often Say look, this is a lot like the, the judicial nomination wars, you know, where oh, we nuke the filibuster. You nuke the filibuster. And when you go back and you actually do the archeological dig on this, the left started this fight back in the Obama administration. If you guys remember all this push by Holder and Obama for the independent redistricting commissions, they did it in Arizona through a ballot initiative, they did it in California. And every time the so called independent member. So you'd have like five Democrats, five Republicans and then there would be one swing vote every time the independent ended up being a Democrat plant. For example, in New Jersey where it was an independent commission, the member of that redistricting commission was a professor at Princeton who at the time was a registered independent. He's now running for Congress as a Democrat. And the product of those redistricting commissions were maps that always favored Democrats and obliterated incumbent Republicans. So they were at this again a long time before Republicans got wise. And then the litigation started under the VRA for what we call covered jurisdictions in places like Texas. So the war goes back again, as many things do to the Obama administration.

[Eliyahu]

I think, I think it gets difficult when we get into the finger pointing of who started this. I actually think what you're referencing is going to be before what I even mentioned now, but Mitch McConnell blocking Merrick Garland. Yeah, totally. Even allowing a vote on that. And then I believe nuking the filibuster for Supreme Court nominations with only doing a simple majority for Gorsuch and then also allowing Amy Comey Barrett to get in despite it being an election year, which is the reason why he cited for not letting Merrick, the Merrick Garland vote proceed to. Yeah, like I think Democrats would also argue that like they have a lot to point at and like if it's tit for tat, then it's just going for sure.

[Theo Wold]

But, but even look at that. So the actual judicial nomination war start in the Obama presidency when he nuked the filibuster for appellate court judge nominees and they stacked the D.C. circuit which

[Eliyahu]

is, you know, it's just again one layer.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Theo Wold]

So it's like yeah, you can look at Garland, but the actual story was when they put three Democrat nominees forward when they knew they didn't have the vote. So they, they obliterated the judicial filibuster nomination process then. And so like I think again, I don't want to like over index on the Obama's the cause of all problems, but the redistricting war start Under Obama. And I'll just note what was Eric Holder's job when he left the Obama White House? When he left the Obama head chef, he was the head of the National Democrat Redistricting Commission.

[Tim Pool]

That the issue is you can go back. It's a Hatfields and McCoys. It goes back to the Civil War and it goes pre Civil War. There was talk of civil war in this country in 1820 and then it took 40 years. Cuz things were a lot slower back then. With communication being a lot slower back then. You can trace back every tit for tat.

[Carter Banks]

West Virginia is a redistrict. A redistricting of Virginia.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, West Virginia should not exist. One of the dirtiest things. You guys know how West Virginia came to exist?

[Theo Wold]

Yeah. It was this presidential fiat. We're just putting the unionists here and we're gonna make it its own state.

[Tim Pool]

When the Civil War started and Virginia called up all of its young men to come fight and defend Virginia. Whatever you think about the secession is not the point. Nobody was here to vote. The only people who stayed, they were like, okay, let's have a vote while all the men have left. And the remaining people voted not to go to war because they were like, I don't want to go fight. Everyone else went to go fight. When these young men came back, they found out they were in a different state now. And then Virginia filed a lawsuit after the Civil War saying that's just Virginia, that's our territory. And they said nope, that's a different state now. You don't get it. You lose your territory.

[Carter Banks]

Centralization of authority right there.

[Tim Pool]

Oh. I mean if, if you go back to Obama started redistricting, then the argument's going to be made, you know. Yeah, but the Republicans, blah blah blah blah blah.

[Carter Banks]

They're in the Bush. Did the Bush admin do much in the redistricting era?

[Theo Wold]

No, because I think one thing that people have missed as well in this like national discussion about redistricting is the the ability to use precision data tools both on micro targeting and then also like the map analysis. That's totally new. And Alito mentions this in his opinion, which is you can get a map like Tim was showing on Illinois because you can literally run 300 different permutations through the software of how you are parsing individual houses in neighborhoods. And that just didn't exist to that

[Tim Pool]

level of precision until Obama starts redistricting. But Obama's administration also targeted the Tea Party and did a bunch of things like this. And the argument they'll make is no, this is the Republicans when they were in power, they cheated and stole the election and then rammed everything through. So as soon as Democrats came back in, they said we have to make sure they can't do what they did again in 2012. Because you had, I'm sorry, in 2000 because you had Republicans for eight years. Then Obama gets in and they said, how do we stop Republicans from stealing an election again?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Then you want to go back before that. You'll keep going back in time nonstop all the way. Things were a little bit more chill in the 90s. But then you can go back to, you get back to, was it in the 50s, the incumbents all got purged. You can go back to civil rights era and the Democrats are accused of, you know, switching or whatever. You go back to Jim Crow. Everybody's pointing at each other having done something wrong.

[Carter Banks]

General question. I know you're not allowed to drop districts based on race now, but what if they just say, no, no, no, it wasn't because they were black, it was because they were Democrat.

[Eliyahu]

Yes, I think that's the argument they made. Exactly.

[Carter Banks]

So then, so no districts will have to be redrawn at all. If that's the case, I say no. It was never about race.

[Eliyahu]

It wasn't that loose political affiliate.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, I mean, I think, I think that one, one way of reading the opinion is partisanship is totally an acceptable criteria drawing districts. It so happens, especially in places in the south. Like there's almost a one to one between skin color and party registration.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Theo Wold]

But I think if you were to say, hey, we just want a Democrat vote sink here, if you control the governorship and the state legislature, more power to you.

[Tim Pool]

You can do that. So here's a question I have right now in, you know, I think Mississippi has, has hinted they're going to, they're going to redraw.

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[Tim Pool]

maps for some of these other states they've got. So let's, let's look at the map real quick. Let me reset the map and then show you guys down here. These are, these Democrat districts are presumed to be what's called VRA districts. These three right here especially they, they may be able to redraw one right here that will be Democrat. I believe this one right here is considered to be gerrymandered by race.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, that's, that's Bennie Thompson seat.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. Yeah. So what will be the basis under the Supreme Court ruling that the states will do it. Will the governor just say we're going to do it because the Supreme Court. Yeah, I think should a ruling.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, I think it's what you mentioned at the outset, Tim, which is like you're going to have state governors who say, look, we got to comply. We got to comply with this, this new case precedent. And we're going to look at the, oh, whoops, we've got, you know, Bennie Thompson's seat is a perfect example of this. It's a little bit more compact than what you see in leftist blue states, but that those are separate communities of interest. You go up north, you know, those are farming communities. It wraps in Jackson, Mississippi. They're the capital, which is an urban Democrat vote sink. So I think the, what Governor Tate Reeves or others will say is, hey, this is new, new law and we are in violation of a Supreme Court ruling. We've got to actually sit down and

[Tim Pool]

redraw this, but without a challenge. Can they just abruptly say it?

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, they can for sure. And I think, I think Landry is showing you, you know, let's say they

[Tim Pool]

don't want to, let's say they're like, we don't want to do this. What if someone in those districts files suit and says, I am in a district that was in violation of. That would trigger it, wouldn't it?

[Theo Wold]

Yeah. And I think that's the other part of this story is not all of this is going to play out this year. I mean, the maximum advantage that Republicans may ultimately get out of this is going to be next year and for the 28 election and probably for the 2030 a redraw. And so I think the one takeaway from this week, both with the opinion from Justice Alito and what's already been going on with California and Virginia is the redistricting wars are here to stay because both parties are now trying to lock in, you know, real electoral advantages. But again, as, as you said, Tim, Democrats are looking at a pretty apocalyptic future. I mean, we're looking at potentially like LBJ era, 1960, you know, when the Democrats had enormous numbers in the House and in the Senate. There's a real possibility by the end of the 2030 census, when you're looking at 2032, Republicans could have anywhere between 40 to 50 seat advantage.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's jump to this. This is from the Brennan center and this they say how state seats in the US could change after the next census. At the halfway point in the decade, newly Released census data points to continued shifts and representation after the 2030 census. So for those that are just tuning in what we've been talking about and in the previous segments, with the Supreme Court ruling on the VRA, Republicans could gain reasonably 12 seats if they so choose. However, if every single racially gerrymandered district was erased, it's around 20 to 30 congressional seats. But wait, there's more. The census is coming up in 2030, so this redistricting battle will not just be happening right now. In 2030. The prediction is that California will lose four seats, Texas will gain four seats, New York will lose two, Pa loses one, Illinois loses one, Wisconsin one, Minnesota one, Oregon one. We see Idaho, Utah and Arizona each gaining a seat. You see North Carolina and Georgia gaining a seat. You see Florida gaining three seats, and you see Rhode island losing one seat, which is nuts because don't they only have two seats anyway? So they're going to one, they're going to an at large district. So this is going to be, we've got 8, we got 8, 9, 10. We've got 13 seat swing. And this is, this is a 26 vote difference now because they lose 13, Republicans gain 13. Add in the VRA 12. We are looking right now being modest in the next four years, this is going to be probably by 2032 when this takes effect, if everything plays out, Republicans will have a 24 seat majority

[Theo Wold]

just built in without swinging seats or any of that. And I think what's interesting here about this map is under the, under the old reading of Section 2, the VRA, even some of those seats that California would lose and say Texas would gain, they're not necessarily going to become Republican seats because you're still going to have to draw majority black seats in Houston, in Dallas. Now with this Supreme Court opinion, those are basically, you're transferring blue Democrat seats in California to what will become red Republican seats in Texas.

[Eliyahu]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

So one of the, one of the conversations that came up with the COVID exodus, we saw a lot of people were leaving New York and go to Florida. And now with all the weird tax policy they're doing, which is absolutely hilarious, Washington just was it Seattle? She just had buy all the rich people. The concern was if a bunch of blue people move to a red area, would they not turn that area red? In fact, no. So if you've got half a million people leaving Manhattan, the initial reaction, a lot of people said was, and this is first order thinking, well, 500,000 people are going to shift the makeup of another district yeah, but those 5,000 people are dispersing in different areas. Maybe 40,000 go to Connecticut. Maybe 30,000 go to West Virginia. Maybe 100,000 went to Florida. When those hundred thousand enter and enter a district that is R plus 7, they only shift it maybe 2 points democrat. So those votes are getting diluted, meaning New York's actually going to be worse off. The Democrats nationally not only are losing seats, they're losing urban concentration as people spread out. The people who are moving from California, Texas aren't going to the same city for the most part. Many might. But then it gets better because even the people from California move to Austin. They can just gerrymander Austin and say it's liberal. There you go.

[Carter Banks]

That's what I'm wondering about this. If it's legal to gerrymander by political affiliation, can't they run like an AI algorithm to see all the voter rolls or all the addresses? And then they do after the fact be like, we're going to draw because we can't do it by race anymore. We're going to specifically draw 14 Democrat districts and they're going to draw little snakes. And that'll be totally legal because it's only by political affiliation. But like back in the day, they didn't know people's affiliation until they went to vote. So you were building the district before you found out who was in it. Now you can know ahead of time and pre plan the district. It seems like. Like the whole system is now. Is now malfunct.

[Tim Pool]

There you go. Ian, the map we showed in the last segment, this is exactly what you're describing.

[Carter Banks]

So this is if every state maximizes.

[Tim Pool]

So this is an. The argument being made here is that the end result of the gerrymandering war is every red state maximizes for red. Every blue state maximizes for blue, I think.

[Theo Wold]

And the two wrinkles here would be to maximize your advantage in redistricting, you got to hold the trifecta. You got to hold both chambers of the state legislature, except for Nebraska, and you got to hold the governorship. So something like Nevada, you see that there you got a red. A red northern district based out of Reno, and then the southern sort of the two seats there in the south, which are based around Clark county in Las Vegas. But if there's a Republican governor, it's going to be really hard for the Democrats and legislature to maximize those seats and probably say 50, 50 swing seats like they are now. The other thing, I think what Tim was just laying out the breadcrumb trail there. Leads to an obvious conclusion, which is this is why Democrats are flooding the nation with mass immigration.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Theo Wold]

Because the great sort that is happening, it turns out even if every Yankee who lives leaves Long island and moves to North Carolina is still an unrepentant liberal, it kind of gets washed out and they don't actually pick up the real vote share. And I'll say just as a footnote, you know, we track this pretty closely in Idaho and what we see actually is the folks who are leaving California, Washington state now with the imposition of the income tax when they're moving to Idaho, they're actually shifting both the ideological window but also the registration more Republican. These are people who were sort of suffering under blue state policies. And you're like, I'm happy to be in free, free Idaho.

[Tim Pool]

Now here's the best part. The end result of this beyond the midterm is any guesses?

[Theo Wold]

Electoral College, what is it? Electoral college.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yes, but. But after that, Right. So any guess on what the end of all of this will be if we take everything happening to its natural conclusion? And I'm not saying it happens in five years. Elad, is that what you think that's like saying that?

[Eliyahu]

No, that's what he was going.

[Tim Pool]

Let me explain why. Let me explain why. As moderates in New York flee, what happens is congressional seats not only get broken up, but the existing seats become hyper partisan left.

[Theo Wold]

Totally.

[Tim Pool]

So in a district, let's say you have Manhattan and you've got a lot of conservatives, let's say you have 36% who live in Manhattan that are Republican. They know they're always going to lose, but when it comes, so they always vote Democrat. Like for instance, my family was. I grew up Catholic to a public servant dad. And we lived in an area where it was like union working class guys. But my dad was a conservative, but we always voted Democrat.

[Eliyahu]

Why?

[Tim Pool]

Every union really does. Well, what are you voting for? You're voting to lose? No, you vote for the Democrat. It's going to. Because there's one party series, it happens, primary comes up, union family walks in and says don't vote for the weird suit wearing commie, vote for the working class, rolled up sleeves Democrat. The primary was what really mattered. Well, those moderates, people like me, we've left. So now the primary happens again and you've got blue dog Democrat rolled up sleeves saying we're here for the working class. But all their voters have left and all that's left is commies. So the commie wins the primary basically. Right now in every district, the primary is trying to sort by political party the boundaries and then finding the middle. It's not necessarily intentionally how they do it, but what happens is you go to a district, the furthest left you go, you've got hardcore tanky communists. And the furthest right you go in the Democrat Party you have like moderate libs who hate Trump. So the candidate who wins panders to both the most to generate the most amount of votes, eliminate the moderates. That moderate guy could only get 20% of the votes he used to get the communists now panders to the socialists and the communists. And now you get a communist member of Congress. This is both geographic and governmental hyperpolarization. With these seats moving, you will see more staunch Republicans in Congress and more squad members in Congress. You will also then have states ideologically opposed to extreme degrees, like Oklahoma banning abortion outright and Colorado legalizing abortion to the point of birth. The end result of this is you will have states with things that are legal, that shock the conscience, that bleed over between each other. You will end up with, and I'm saying this as a joke to make the most extreme examples, gay race, communist by mandate in, you know, Colorado and the Handmaid's Tale in Oklahoma. And then eventually they start fighting with each other because these ideologies will clash because there's proximity, the hyper polarization. I don't know how you break it up, but what we're watching with, with intermigration, internal migration as well as gerrymandering, redistricting, look, if you live in Virginia and they just took away your district and they're putting a Democrat in charge of where you live, a lot of people are going to say, I don't want to live in a place where the Attorney General said my children should die and they're going to try and trans my kids. We should consider moving out of the state.

[Theo Wold]

You're going to see a lot of people move to West Virginia.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed, which is already 86% Trump supporting. Recommend it.

[Carter Banks]

Another potential future that I've been thinking about lately is that, you know, the two party system may change. It may be that like the Republican Party splits in half and the Democrat Party splits in half and we have a four party system for a short period of time. How and why Abraham Lincoln got elected. How and why? Good question. I don't know if, if this redistricting

[Tim Pool]

thing would, I don't disagree with you. I don't necessarily agree though, but I do want to, to your point in agreeance, in agreement, if you have geographic hyperpolarization. It wouldn't be unquestionable to think that in a place like West Virginia you have someone like me, a, an exile from Illinois or from New York who was like, these people have gone nuts. So I come to West Virginia and I say, firstly, I don't want to interfere what the locals want to do. I'm here as a guest. I will build a life here. I, I hope that you respect my voice, but I also don't want to trample on your traditions and what you've built here as longtime residents. But you will then get the far right element. I put that in air quotes, meaning staunch hardcore local will form a right wing and the moderate right wing will form the state's left wing. So basically when you say four parties, imagine you get a big cluster of southern states that are just deep red, but within that you've got the MAGA and the neocon. Now they're arguing with each other.

[Theo Wold]

You've just described Idaho. That is, that is the politics of Idaho. The transplants who've come in are hard right and the old guard sort of rhino establishment is, is sort of the moderate. And the fight is often for the swing Democrats who participate in the primary. They register as Republicans. And I think one thing you'll see in places like Mississippi is you might actually end up with some victories for the neocons because those black voters now, I mean the game theory just, it plays out where like, well, I might as well participate in the Republican primary. That way I can get a slightly less detestable form of a Republican congressman who may be more interested in catering to my interests and my, my vote. So it may reduce the likelihood of getting hyper partisan Republicans in Congress. But I think Tim's account for what's going to happen blue states is exactly right. Which once the moderates are gone and you've overindexed on ideology for drawing these districts, you're going to, I mean you're already seeing this in places in New York with the Jamaal Bowman race a couple of years ago.

[Tim Pool]

Yep.

[Theo Wold]

You're going to see the moderate Democrat just totally annihilated in the primary.

[Tim Pool]

It's like you were saying in Idaho you've got the moderate Democrats that are basically in between the hard right and the, the old school Republicans. In, in New York you had Republican seats that were considered to be kind of toss up moderate. When the moderate New Yorker New York residents left, all that's left are orange men, bad and communist. So when the primary happens that moderate Democrat who tried to hold things together to compete with a Republican. He's gone. They don't need it anymore. They're 60% socialist now. It's squad all the way, baby. So back to your point, Ian, about saying four parties. The part where I'll disagree with you is technically there will be four parties in that there will be a hard right and an old right, whatever you want to call it, but they will all be unified against the other. So the country is going to break up into this, this, this silly map right here. And then what ends up happening is this chunk is completely at war with this chunk. And I mean figuratively, when it comes to national level politics, all of these people are gonna be like, those people are so far removed from what we believe they are. Evil, dangerous. We're at the point Democrats, Republicans call each other evil for a variety of reasons. We're already at the point where Democrats want to trans kids, Republicans don't. Democrats want abortion at birth. Republicans want to ban abortion. So the extreme ends are there where it's night and day. There is no more can we compromise. It is. These people have pushed abortion to the point of birth and we don't want abortion at all. That's not stopping. We will get to a point where it's even further than this. You know when we're watching the news out there before the show, we got four channels on one screen and you can watch msnb, Ms. Now, sorry, and CNN and Fox News at the same time. And you can see the bifurcated reality in both and it is insane. Msnow. Can't go 10 seconds without saying the word Trump. And this is what's crazy to me.

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[Eliyahu]

Trump.

[Carter Banks]

Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Trump. Trump, Trump. Non stop, just Trump, Trump, Trump. Trump is reckless, he's dangerous. And I'm like, it's not even news. It's literally just. They, you know, you know, I got, I got to be honest, guys, I'm going to launch a new channel and we should do this a lot. Here's, here's a plan.

[Eliyahu]

Let's hear it.

[Tim Pool]

The channel is just a 24.7 livestream where it's a Trump pinata being whacked with a stick. You make so much money. Yeah, that's all it is. That's all it is. Clip after clip after clip. Just. And you know, the intro to the intro to the show is, guys, you don't need to hear me say anything. We all hate Trump. Just watch me for the next two hours beat this, this Trump penalty with a stick. You'll ms, Ms. Now will lose all their viewers to you.

[Theo Wold]

Halloween special. You burn the Trump effigy. You make so much money and especially the largest media markets in the country would be tuning into that.

[Tim Pool]

I think that if you one upped Ms. Now to the legal extent, you'd easily take their viewers saying Trump is outrageous and he's bad. Just say, literally just say Trump is Hitler the whole time and Show World War II footage but put Trump instead of Hitler.

[Carter Banks]

Is it going to be they're just going to switch to the, whoever the Republican candidate is as soon as they announce next year.

[Tim Pool]

They did it with Desantis. Do you remember that?

[Theo Wold]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, well, this is like this story has played out over the last 20 years, right? And this was. George Bush was the incarnation of everything that was unholy and evil and was Satan and was A Nazi. And now it's like, oh, he's actually a good guy.

[Tim Pool]

He tells good jokes.

[Theo Wold]

We love seeing baseball with him. Right. This is their shtick.

[Tim Pool]

When the primary was kicking up in. I think it started in 2022, and then in 23, DeSantis became the front runner. Trump hadn't been very present, and DeSantis was crushing it in Florida. And he has. And I respect it. I remember sitting down at the Daily Wire saying, you know, Look, I'm for DeSantis. If he comes out of the gate, he's the guy. They started running articles saying desantis is worse than Trump. It was insane, because they said Trump is racist. Then they said, Trump is the worst racist. Then Trump is almost as bad as Hitler. Then Trump is Hitler. Then Trump is worse than Hitler. Then Trump is gone for a year, and DeSantis comes in and they go, desantis is actually worse than Trump. And I'm like, now Hitler's down here, and DeSantis is all the way up here. Based on what you've been doing rhetorically. Yeah.

[Theo Wold]

And I think the argument they made was, like, desantis will be an effective Hitler.

[Eliyahu]

Do you guys remember the don't say Gay bill that they tried to fear Monger?

[Tim Pool]

I mean, don't say straight.

[Eliyahu]

Don't say Straight bill that they tried to fear Monger around Desantis on.

[Tim Pool]

And, yeah, we call it the don't say Straight Bill because the bill said that teachers could not discuss their interpersonal relationships with children. And considering most people are in straight relationships, it was actually barring teachers from talking about their heterosexual coupling. So I actually think it benefited gay people.

[Eliyahu]

That's what made DeSantis Hitler at the time.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

And they were dancing in hallways in

[Theo Wold]

the fight with Disney.

[Eliyahu]

Oh, yeah, and the fight with Disney

[Carter Banks]

in the boots, also not cowboy boots. Sinclair pulled that one out on him.

[Tim Pool]

Ashley, can we just drop the pretense? I mean, you know. You know, what I really can't stand about the culture war is just the pretending the, you know, Republicans and Democrats both arguing nobility. No, no, no. I don't. I don't care. Like, I think Republicans are right, you think Democrats are right. Can we just argue. I will do everything to maximize the power of my political party.

[Carter Banks]

We have to have pretense because we're using tv. So when you're using the airwaves, you have to have an air of pretension. You can't be truly your radical self when the world's listening. You gotta do that in a back room. You know, there's spy satellites.

[Tim Pool]

Nobody's falling for it. It's like, it's the cringest thing ever to, you know, remember when Deepwater Horizon happened in the Gulf, the oil Spill and the CEOs, like, we're terribly sorry. Like, nobody believes you and nobody cares. I'd respect you more if you came out and said, you know, obviously, we're gonna clean it up. We're gonna pay a fine for this. It'll be a slap on the wrist. It'll kill untold amounts of sea life. We're not going to stop. And we're sorry only because the malfunction happened. We're not morally or ethically sorry at all. And we're going to keep going. I'd be like, okay.

[Carter Banks]

It's crazy how so many people would rather be lied to than. Than hear the harsh reality of truth. And they're like, no, just. Just tell me a sweet lie and let me go back to my game or whatever.

[Theo Wold]

This happened this week when the. Those old tweets from Mallory McMorrow.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah.

[Theo Wold]

Came out. And she, she has essentially what you're describing here. She, One of her tweets said, well, the future is the ring and not the, not the horror film. But she was like, you know, the, the coasts will break off and they'll join with Mexico and Canada and they'll basically just napalm. What's left in the middle.

[Tim Pool]

Let's, let's, let's pull this. We got some cnn. This is massive. Make me miss California. Deleted tweets. Senate candidate Mallory McMurray disparaged middle America. So she's in Michigan. Oh, they don't want us to read it now.

[Theo Wold]

She's in Michigan.

[Tim Pool]

Michigan now. But she, she lived in California for a long time and she wrote on social media how much she hated middle America, saying, it makes me miss California. And she wrote what you just described the ring, which is this. There will be this ring of blue surround.

[Carter Banks]

You know what?

[Theo Wold]

You know what?

[Tim Pool]

Let me, Let me, Let me, Let me pull up this. I'm going to pull up the Jesus land. And what is it? Canadian states meme. You ever see that one? Yes.

[Carter Banks]

So I guess it would be the ring of blue to the north.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Theo Wold]

And Mexico to the south.

[Carter Banks]

And then the obviously which is blue.

[Tim Pool]

Here you go. This is the, this is what the meme basically is. So this is the proposed fracturing, or actually one of them. The Jesus Land map. It's an Internet meme. It was created in 2004. So it's not necessarily accurate right now because there would be a small cluster, you know, down here. They'd probably take these states and we

[Theo Wold]

would take Alberta now, based on.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, right, right. So Again, this is 20 years old, but the idea was there was discussion in 2004 of breaking away of the United States fracturing and several states joining Canada. She's talking about that she deleted those tweets because this is what these communists do. She wants to win political power in Michigan, she has to pretend to like Michigan.

[Eliyahu]

She's the moderate in this race, too.

[Tim Pool]

That's the other thing.

[Eliyahu]

She's the moderate. She's the most moderate person. Yeah, because the other guy, Abdul El Said, was the guy who said he didn't even want to, I think, celebrate the killing of Hassan Nasrallah.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Eliyahu]

Or the Ayatollah, rather. Or he didn't want to comment it because he didn't want to upset his Arab Muslim basin.

[Tim Pool]

Was he the guy who campaigned with Hassan?

[Eliyahu]

Yes, that guy.

[Tim Pool]

She's. She purged her ex account of roughly 6,000 posts, including all of her tweets prior to 2020. Andrew Kaczynski noted. This came after the Post's April 2025 scoop on her tweet history. The deleted posts include jabs at the purple state she's now running to represent saying, and it's snowing. Screw you, Michigan. You know, that really bums me out because I love snow and I, I, I like snowboarding and skiing, but where we are, it only snows every so often. And here she is coming from a warm place, moving to a cold place, and she hates it. There are days like these that make me miss California even more. She said, In 2017, I had a dream that the US amicably broke off into the ring. Coasts, Canada, Mexico, plus parts of Michigan and Texas and middle America. She wrote in the since deleted tweet.

[Eliyahu]

She's just lib posting amicably, at least.

[Carter Banks]

But come on, that can't, you know, you don't have. There's no such thing as a piece.

[Tim Pool]

Is it linking to a gun tweet

[Carter Banks]

in that in the 1850s.

[Tim Pool]

Indeed.

[Carter Banks]

In 40s.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I, I, I'd actually respect her tremendously if she just said all these things and left the tweets up.

[Theo Wold]

Totally. But, but it's exactly right. She's running as the moderate, so she's, she's got to delete them because that's her lane.

[Tim Pool]

Right.

[Theo Wold]

I wouldn't say anything ridiculous. I think the other thing that came out of this Story is a lot of those tweets she deleted talked about her participating in the 2016 Dem primary out in California when she supposedly was already living and registered in Michigan. So potential election fraud that she put

[Tim Pool]

to see as well. You know, I'd have a lot more respect for Graham Platner if, like, when they came out and said, hey, by the way, there's a Nazi tattoo on your chest. If you went, yeah. I'd be like, okay, you know, all right. Instead, he's like, is that what that is? And they were like, yes. I had no idea. Legit. I'm not even joking. When they called out Democrat frontrunner for the Senate in Maine, Graham Platner's literal Totenkamp on his chest, he went, is. Is that what that is? I just thought it was a skull. Beats me. That is nuts.

[Theo Wold]

And this is why Fetterman's probably, like, one of the more honest people. Seriously, where he was saying today, dude's just an. Platner is just a. Straight up. Because he's not. He's not truthful about anything. And. And what did he blame it on? The tattoo ultimately was like his. His. He was units insignia or something. He was popular among.

[Eliyahu]

When he was in the army or something. And you got drunk.

[Tim Pool]

Cool. So I got a question about that, though. Like, what tattoo parlor did you go to where they had a Totenkamp available for choice? Those might exist.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know.

[Eliyahu]

I've read reporting that his, like, his staff actually confronted him about it, and they were clear that he knew what it was like. He calls himself a World War II history buff. Like, it's hard to pretend you don't know what that is. When you say you know, you know a lot about World War II.

[Tim Pool]

I have a question. Neo Nazis and white supremacists prefer racial segregation. That's correct. Right. I'm not wrong in that assumption. Yeah, they. They. They would prefer it if in the. In this country they separated the races and white people would live with white people and black with black people. Right. I think that's largely true among generally white nationalists. White supremacists. They're going to add the. They think they're better than everybody, but that's a separate thing. Which political party advocates for policies based on race? Maybe the Democratic Party.

[Theo Wold]

The Democrat Party.

[Tim Pool]

Not the Republicans. Republicans are fighting these things. Which political party advocates for political districts based on race? It's the Democratic Party. It's the Democratic Party. Indeed. Which political party has created PoC and non PoC only spaces it's the Democratic Party. So real quick, and which political party hates Israel?

[Theo Wold]

Well. And which party now has elected mayors in some of the largest cities in America saying, we will only hire. We will only contract with non white businesses. Right. Well, so choosing winners and losers based

[Tim Pool]

on their race, that I would argue that Nazis would probably not be. Not okay with. But I would just say if you were a Nazi, looking at the list of everything you wanted, you'd be like, well, we might lose a couple of things in the cities we don't want to be in. But, man, if those cities are saying they're only going to hire black people and all the black people move there and leave where we are. My point is, when I see Graham Platner with a Nazi tattoo, I'm like, he's just a Nazi who realized that to. To get through most of what a Nazi would want, the Democratic Party is your path forward. He hates the Jews, he hates Israel, and he wants racial segregation. I mean, does he hate the Jews?

[Carter Banks]

Did he say something bad about Jews, or is it just.

[Tim Pool]

I'm. I'm saying. Well, he has heavily criticized Israel, which is always allowed. Not, not, not. Not necessarily a Jew thing. I'm just being he. Also somewhat facetious.

[Theo Wold]

He's also got some crazy Reddit posts

[Tim Pool]

back in the day about, like, Hamas.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Wiping out Israel and stuff like that. My point is, if you are a Nazi who hates the Jews and hates Israel, the Democratic Party is free.

[Eliyahu]

I think it's transparent. Like the double standard, though, because you saw everybody in the media trash. Aggressively. Secretary of War Pete Hecseth for his. I think it's an iron cross tattoo that, you know, they made the rounds in the media. Everybody called it a white supremacist tattoo. It's a.

[Theo Wold]

It's a Jerusalem cross, which is like an old crusader. That was the connection. But, yeah. No, yeah.

[Eliyahu]

There were many outlets explicitly saying that it might signify that he's a white supremacist. I'm reading from Politico that it's associated with white supremacist groups. As opposed to articles talking about Platner's tattoo that says how he expresses regret and it could potentially resemble a Nazi tattoo. So they give him, like, this plausible deniability that they would never afford to. Secretary Hexseth, despite Secretary Hexseth's tattoo not being anything resembling a white supremacist symbol. But this guy has a literal Totenkampf on his chest, and it's been there for, like, a very long time.

[Tim Pool]

Yo, he had it for 20 years.

[Carter Banks]

The thing about Democrat policies, about race policies, race based policies. If you live in a society with 78% black people of a certain culture that votes that way, they'll say, look, we're not doing anything by race. It's all by majority. And you're like, oh well, the majority happens to be one race. And they are dominating the political sphere through majority rule. So now we need to make exceptions for all these minorities that are getting dogged and trashed in culture and society. So that's where the democratic philosophy comes from, is you need to make sure people don't.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, I gotta read to the story. I'm sorry. So here's the origin of his Totenkonf. He was in his 20s, on leaving Croatia, specifically split during his third deployment, he and fellow marines got very inebriated and decided to get tattoos. They picked a terrifying looking skull and crossbones design off the wall at a tattoo parlor, seeing it as generic military pirate edgy imagery common in military culture for scary tattoos. I just want to stress these guys walked into a, into a tattoo parlor with a giant Nazi Totenkampf on the wall that is available for public display in Croatia. I have to wonder about what they were thinking when they sold.

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[Tim Pool]

With IP Vanish entered that tattoo parlor and what the. Let's just say the business individuals, what they were, what were they wearing and what did they look like and what else was on the call. I gotta, I gotta wonder if you're gonna put a Totenkampf on Your wall. If they're not. Perhaps any other symbols. Perhaps. Maybe an old Buddhist symbol that was. Old Buddhist symbol.

[Carter Banks]

It's an old. It's an old Prussian military symbol that the Nazis co opted. Just like the swastika was the old. A lot of stuff that they co opted. Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Eliyahu]

At the very least, it demonstrates poor judgment. Assuming, like, you know, give him every benefit of the doubt. I think this demonstrates his poor judgment. And maybe it's not the judgment and, you know, thought process that somebody who would potentially be senator should have. Like, if you are getting something permanently tattooed on your body, you should understand or know what the symbol is or do some due diligence before doing that. I don't know if that's too much to ask for again. I think he's playing dumb. I think he knew.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. I just. I just looked this up because I could be wrong. But my understanding was that in most of Europe, Nazi imagery is actually a crime. Yeah. And it is in Croatia. It is illegal to display Nazi imagery. We went to a tattoo again. He went into a tattoo parlor with a Totenkampf on the wall. I don't believe him for a second. I think the guy's just a Nazi.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah. I don't think like Jared Holt or anybody at the ADL would have thought twice if, you know, one of the people who they were tracking as a white supremacist had this type of tattoo on them. I just think it's odd that people like Holt aren't all over this guy.

[Theo Wold]

Well, the other interesting thing I was gonna say was when he did his little sit down confessional, like the sort of like o' Donnell when she ran for Senate a few years ago. I'm not a witch. He did the whole, I'm sorry for this, and he said, well, now I will pay to remove it.

[Tim Pool]

Dude.

[Theo Wold]

If he had bad judgment 20 years ago, there was a long time in between there where he could have said, oh, shoot, I learned about this symbol. Wow, this is really troubling. I should get this removed from my chest.

[Carter Banks]

Doesn't seem like something you just like, keep putting off.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, well, you know what the one difference was? He decided he wants to be a politician, a US Senator. That's why he decided to get it covered.

[Tim Pool]

It was. Since the 90s, Nazi imagery has been banned and they've had sporadic heavy enforcement. In 2004, they ordered the removal of plaques honoring Nazi era figures. I just don't believe this guy for a second. The story is either he intentionally sought out a Nazi tattoo or he intentionally sought out a Nazi tattoo parlor and then got a Nazi tattoo.

[Carter Banks]

Well, he was, I don't know how old he is now.40 something. He was in his 20s. He was hammered with his buddies. Was he in the military? On the leave. He was in the military. So they're all amped up. They go, probably blacked out. I never heard of a Totenkampf till tonight. This is the first time I've ever heard the word said out loud. And I've never, I think I've seen that before. I had no idea it was a Nazi thing until tonight.

[Theo Wold]

Well, the other thing here, just to note, I mean, I know he's doing this, like, faux working class hero shtick right now, but Platner comes from an incredibly wealthy, socially elite family in New York. In the Northeast. He went to Hotchkiss, one of the premier boarding schools in America. The idea that he was somehow ignorant about the significance or the symbolism or, like, I don't know, I just picked like a pirates in the Caribbean looking tattoo from my chest, man. I, I, I don't, I don't believe it. Because again, came from an incredibly sophisticated, educated, wealthy new northeast family. And so I, I, I, I think it's, I think it's a shtick. I think it's a shtick.

[Carter Banks]

I'll take it extra to have it put on. If he didn't know, like, that's a judge of his. His mental faculty is like, dude, you do the big thing on your chest, so you know what it is?

[Tim Pool]

He's either on your chest, he's either a Nazi or developmentally disabled.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Either way, I would argue you shouldn't vote for him. Well, but Janet Mills has dropped out of the race.

[Theo Wold]

Dropped. And so a lot of boomer, liberal Portland voters will be happily voting for the dude with the giant Nazi tattoo.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I think? I think we should go to Maine. Yeah. But I got friends who live in Portland, and I'm going to ask them if they're voting for the Nazi guy.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, but so many Republicans hate Susan Collins and just call her a rhino. Pos. So, like, I could see why this guy has a good chance of winning.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no, no, no. I know. I just want to hear it from the voters. There be, like, for 20 years, he had a Nazi tattoo on his chest. Do you forgive him? They'll say yes. I'll be like, okay. Do you forget? So, so if, like, there was a guy, I mean, they forget. What was that? Hillary Clinton's friend who was in Congress the Nazi. Was his name Bird?

[Theo Wold]

Robert Byrne?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he was. He was like a grand wizard.

[Theo Wold]

Wizard in the kkk.

[Tim Pool]

Look, I'll say this. The only real, you know, I guess, retardant in my view on this one is that people are allowed to say, I'm sorry. Graham Platner is like, he has a mistake. I'm sorry. It's like, okay, I don't believe him. But if people are like, I don't want to be associated with that thing, and they say they. They don't, then I don't know if we can exist as a. Exist as a society that holds everyone to the standard of themselves for 20 years ago.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, really?

[Eliyahu]

And.

[Carter Banks]

And you could wear Nazi paraphernalia and not be a Nazi.

[Eliyahu]

And you should be punk.

[Theo Wold]

Are you talking about Prince Harry again?

[Carter Banks]

Is it Harry goes the Distance.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, that is literally the values of punk rock is where the most countercultural imagery. But the down. The opposite of that is, you know, if you're going to project an image, you better know what that's going to do to other people when they see it and get behind it, because you're doing it.

[Theo Wold]

I think it also just gets back to how Tim started this discussion, which is like, then just own it, dude. Just be like, yeah, I made a mistake. I learned what this is. I do have this.

[Tim Pool]

That's not owning it. If he came out and was like, yeah, totally, I was super into it and I'm going to get it removed.

[Theo Wold]

I'm in a different life period of my life now. I reject that.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Then I'd be like, okay, like, literally, we would not be talking about it if he came out and said, I am getting it removed. And, you know, when I was younger, I thought it was cool and I was into it, but I grew up then. I think Democrats still wouldn't care and he'd at least get a little bit of respect for me being like, okay, well, you know, he owned up to it.

[Eliyahu]

He probably also should have done that before he started running. He announced and did it after.

[Theo Wold]

That was my point, which is it was a failure of judgment. There was now a number of years,

[Eliyahu]

you know, you're going to run for something. You could do some things to prepare, like, for example, cover up your Nazi tattoo.

[Theo Wold]

So the moment.

[Tim Pool]

Delete your tweets before you're about to run for the Senate, the moment the

[Theo Wold]

picture drops, then you could say, oh, you know what? I got that removed five years ago.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yep.

[Eliyahu]

But I will say, I don't want to do too much Pearl clutching over this, because I don't think people want to hear Jewish people complain about, you know, the Totenkalm symbol on this guy, despite it being there.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, I gotta be honest, like, if he came out and said, listen, I don't like his politics. If he came out and they were like, you have a Nazi tattoo. And he goes, you're damn right I do. Next question. I'd be like, damn, all right, that's infinitely more respectable.

[Carter Banks]

The Nazis own up to it. Yeah, I'd like to see him go deep on the Prussian ancestry of the history of the tattoo. Did he get it removed?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, he says he did. I believe he got covered.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to this next story. We've got a tweet from U.S. attorney Pirro. They have released footage, the actual footage from the assassination attempt on Donald Trump. In it, you can actually see dude fire buckshot at a Secret Service agents. And I would say it's not particularly clear, but it's clear enough to understand what you're saying. So this is footage first showing the suspect, Cole Allen, they describe as casing the hotel. And you know, I watched this video and it's the same thing I bring up all the time when I was younger. You see videos like this and you wonder why it is these people are so stupid. And then you think, well, if they were smart, they wouldn't have tried to stage an assassination in the first place. They'd just be rich and funding super PACs. But you can't accuse this guy of being smart. So you can see him, you know, walking around. And then we have the footage that we've already seen, but it's a little bit clearer. So here's him casing the joint again. And then we have. Let's jump forward to the surveillance video in question. So this is Saturday and you can see it's 8:36. Now this is the footage that Trump tweeted that was low quality and this is the higher res version. And you can see everybody standing around. You'll notice the dog is sniffing. I think the dog smelled the. The weapons. Yeah. And they just like to do his thing.

[Carter Banks]

And let me, let me doing some maintenance on.

[Tim Pool]

Let me find the exact.

[Eliyahu]

They're breaking down security.

[Tim Pool]

So here's him running in. He runs in full speed. And then you can see right here, there's a frame. He aims the shotgun at this agent. Shit. Who takes a. Who takes some buckshot. Apparently he was not hurt in the least bit.

[Carter Banks]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

Which is surprising. That's close range. Buckshot.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

He fires several shots at him. I think he fires four.

[Carter Banks]

And they draw. But they don't open fire, apparently. Or do they?

[Tim Pool]

And then they play it again at slow speed.

[Carter Banks]

Kellen brought these. See those three female cops up against the wall? Watch what they do when he runs.

[Tim Pool]

The lady cops, huh?

[Carter Banks]

Middle one, unfortunately, seems to trip over on foot.

[Tim Pool]

Watch him fire. You can see him fire here. Bang.

[Carter Banks]

Dang, dude, I want audio. Do they have audio?

[Tim Pool]

Nah, I haven't seen one with audio yet.

[Eliyahu]

Super dangerous for crossfire there.

[Carter Banks]

I don't even want to make life.

[Tim Pool]

This is the first thing I thought is, how did he not hit them? Right?

[Eliyahu]

Or crossfire stream those three ladies. But, yeah, yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Whenever you just grazed.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man, these look like tsa. I don't think they're serious.

[Carter Banks]

Maybe they're not cops. Maybe that's why they freak out.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, TSA is law enforcement. Yeah, tsa.

[Theo Wold]

It's tsa.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. It fell over.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta be honest. I don't expect TSA to go like administrative TSA agents to go chasing after a guy, especially when you got Secret Service and decked out dudes.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. You want to be away behind the guys that are pointing the guns down range.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. There is no audio, but fires. He hits.

[Carter Banks]

Geez. I mean, death penalty. Is that not death penalty?

[Theo Wold]

You open fire on a cop, is

[Tim Pool]

that not death penalty? Just. There goes. That's a. That's a. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think he's looking at life. A combination of the charges would be life in prison probably several times over. But I don't. Death. Death penalty is usually an egregious crime. Like shooting a cop is.

[Carter Banks]

I think.

[Tim Pool]

No, no. Murder is not. Does not warn the death penalty. It's usually like you killed him in a grotesque and horrifying way.

[Theo Wold]

I mean. Yeah. I think one of the questions here will be, what jurisdiction do they bring these charges in?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's D.C. yeah. I mean, that's it. It'll be. He's cooked. He going away for a long time.

[Carter Banks]

And then what happened? He got to the. So talk me through the rest of us. He ran to the top of his flight of steps that he was trying to get down to get to the ballroom, and they. They shot him when he was at the top of the.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think he got shot. I don't think he got shot tackled.

[Carter Banks]

How would they not shoot a guy with a shotgun?

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm going to say this. Okay, so homeboy runs Full speed. Right. Darting through. And I'm just like, he's real stupid. He's real, real stupid.

[Carter Banks]

He runs through the door first. Yeah.

[Theo Wold]

What was the Caltech engineer? And his plan was just to run.

[Tim Pool]

Did he really think he was going to make it? That's all the way through it. Well, I will say this. Running past Secret Service does not necessarily mean he's dumb. But considering the layout of the building and everything that's been put forward, like, this guy is very stupid.

[Carter Banks]

I think taking an immediate shot means he's dumb.

[Tim Pool]

I'm also wondering why he didn't exercise at all. And, like, he's apparently talked about how he wanted to do it. This is first chance. It's like, brother, have you gone to, like. Actually, I'm not gonna say anything which could actually aid someone. I'm just going to say he prepped nothing.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

But of course, anybody smart enough and willing to do preparation would probably just open a bakery and become rich.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. Or I'm really gonna do an assassination attempt. You wouldn't know they did it. Like, good ones. You don't know they did it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to tell you guys a secret. There's a bakery my friend worked at, and they were doing like, 100, 200 grand in sales per day. You want, like, that's why I look at all this stuff, and I'm like, it takes a real stupid person to do something like this.

[Carter Banks]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Because if you really wanted to be rich and you were smart, you'd sell cupcakes.

[Carter Banks]

You can make even. This is a little bit of a Sabbath. You can make smart people stupid by making them scared, too.

[Eliyahu]

Or you can say, I'm thankfully stupid because it's very scary what a smart, motivated person can do. A smart, motivated assassin. That is, as history demonstrates, moronic.

[Tim Pool]

So obviously it exists. My point is, most people who are smart will not find themselves as assassins.

[Eliyahu]

Sure.

[Tim Pool]

Hopefully, the payout that hitmen get actually is not worth it. So if you ever watch. You ever watch these, like, sting operation shows where they'll have, like, a fat hitman and, like, the wife comes in and she's like, I want to kill my husband. And he's like, how much you got? And she goes, 10 grand. And he goes, okay. Like, yeah.

[Eliyahu]

But I think past few years have demonstrated that a motivated individual who wants to commit a political assassination, whether it be Trump at the Butler rally, Charlie Kirk, or Shinzo Abe Shinzo, crazy. Like, he's happened regularly. These assassins happened regular. And, I mean, it didn't take much Besides one motivated individual, a lot of these didn't have large conspiracies to them, as far as we know.

[Tim Pool]

What about Assassin's Creed, the dude in the game? You have a wristband that. And they. And for no reason. I love the game, Lore. You cut your index, your ring finger off so that you can make a fist and the blade can go through where you're ring. It makes no sense. But the point is you have a concealed blade.

[Eliyahu]

It's just life is so precious and it's really so easy to kill people and there are a lot of. Well, I don't want to sound sketch. It's just that it's true. Life is so fragile and people have a lot of contact with a lot of people just below the President. And, you know, it's easy to have relative access to them, especially when so

[Theo Wold]

much of the security around the President is just performative. I mean, you see, see all these guys and not a single one of them saw him running down the hallway until he was already upon them making his way through.

[Eliyahu]

Totally. And the shooter at Butler was just some kid allegedly acting alone and he managed to get onto a roof that was unsafe.

[Theo Wold]

Right. And another example where.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, I don't buy all that.

[Theo Wold]

Well, you assume the only thing that they would do if anything would be to secure the perimeter. And they didn't even do that.

[Tim Pool]

To be fair, as you hear this narrative, like security was really bad. That's just not true. At the. The guy that got nowhere near the

[Eliyahu]

room, I think he wasn't even on the correct floor.

[Tim Pool]

He wasn't yet.

[Eliyahu]

Totally. Nonetheless.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Theo Wold]

I think part of it is the accumulation of weapons beforehand, the checking of the hotel room and then also, you know, casing the joint. That none of that raised any suspicions with the hotel security, Metro Police or the Secret Service. So like, I think the example of like, okay, maybe not a guy shooting buckshot, but what if he, you know, brought in some kind of ordinance, some kind of explosive device into the facility?

[Tim Pool]

There's a lot of things that I can say that I'm not going to because I don't want anyone to. Right. But let me just say this. We will not train dark arts on television. He did not train, nor have any plan for what these security, the security in the police would do. Yeah. I can right now at the top of my head say three things that would have got him into the ballroom. I'm not going to, but I think a lot of people who have any kind of combat training, any military, are Gonna be going, oh, yeah, yeah. Simple, simple things, but you don't wanna say them.

[Carter Banks]

That's why I think Trump put it aside of the deep state. Cause there's none of that, like, military trial.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, he has the deep state. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

I feel like he is. He is now with the deep state.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Not with them. He took it over.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, he has taken the deep. Yeah. Because I haven't seen these, like, any garbage, like, real, real attempts. It's like dudes that are, like, pissed off by the media again.

[Tim Pool]

Ian, I got to stress.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know. You know, I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

The math is actually really simple. People who hate Donald Trump and are very smart just get rich and then fund their way to alter the machine.

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[Carter Banks]

Yeah, they bought Trump Coin and then they sold it when it went up to 80 bucks.

[Tim Pool]

I'm saying the people who hated him the whole time, they don't buy Trump Coin. They invest in Google. They go to. They make a billion dollars, go to fundraisers and then pay NGOs and work with the Soros group because funding DA's across the country is infinitely more successful for their cause than throwing a brick through the window or shooting at somebody.

[Eliyahu]

I think we are in an era of political assassinations. I think the rhetoric online is only incentiviz and encouraging people to get more crazy. Society is set up in such a way that people are becoming more mentally ill. It's being encouraged and normalized. You see half the assassins online who've committed These acts are praised or at least not condemned in large part online. People feel as though they have no contribution to the political process. So how are you gonna contribute? How are you gonna make the difference that you see fit and you feel justified and have been told you are justified in feeling online and by all of your peers? How are you going to get this out your vote? Doesn't matter is what you're being told online. And there's nothing you could do to effect change. But guess what? You know, you see other political assassinations happen and you see, say, aha, I can make this different. I could stop Hitler. I could stop fascism in my country. And that's what a lot of these people are thinking.

[Carter Banks]

A better way to stop Hitler is treat it like you're back in time right now, and you can change people's minds within, I think, the rhetoric and

[Eliyahu]

incentives structure that we've said.

[Carter Banks]

Let me say that if what you're saying is true, which it might be, that we're in an era now of this kind of thing. That makes me concerned because like you were saying how you do, how did this guy get all the way through here casing the joint, three attempts on

[Eliyahu]

the president in the past?

[Carter Banks]

This is like a technocratic argument. They're gonna say, we need security, we need more security, we need to spy, we need to get people's DNA. We need to know where you are, when you are. We need to know everyone so that this cannot happen. That's gonna be a lot of the argument coming up in this era.

[Eliyahu]

Well, I mean, I think two things can be true, right? Like, it can be the case that political assassinations are on the rise, and that may be what it take. I mean, we'd have the conversation around what it means for that type of surveillance and FISA surveillance to exist, and would it even be effective. But I think it's pretty clear that we're seeing people feel emboldened to take this into their own hands. There's other examples of attacks on members of Congress.

[Theo Wold]

The federal Supreme Court judge in New Jersey who was shot, this stuff is

[Eliyahu]

regularly happening in Minneapolis or somewhere in Minnesota. There were a couple of council members outside of an Israeli embassy. There was a couple of staffers that were shot. Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, had a few attacks on him. These are the only the ones that I could think of off the top of my head. But people aren't widely condemning this, and people do genuinely believe that the ends justify the means in our political system. And the more disenfranchised that people feel the more gerrymandered that districts get and the less competitive any of these elections are, people will feel more and more disenfranchised. And their outlet for that may be violence, unfortunately. And I think that the incentive structure, really, and the support around it. We're not condemning Luigi Mangione.

[Theo Wold]

No.

[Eliyahu]

Tyler Robinson isn't almost even not being blamed. And Erica Kirk is being made out to be the villain here. Of course, any violence towards any Jew or Israeli or so called Zionist is justified by the alleged genocide that they're perpetrating. Of course, any Trump supporter is fair game because they're racist fascist supporters. So I think the rhetoric around this is dangerous. Of course, we've seen attacks on ICE agents and the doxing of ICE agents. I think people want to take it into their own hands, especially the rhetoric online from the left. They feel totally justified in what they're doing.

[Theo Wold]

Well, I mean, the Minneapolis church, the Don Lemon event. Right. I mean, what they said was it was necessary for us to go into this house of worship because those people needed to know that one of their auxiliary pastors was an ICE agent. It doesn't matter if you're interfering with worship or, you know, a religious service. We felt so justified that we had to tell these people, you have a pastor who is evil and a Nazi.

[Eliyahu]

Well, if they buy into the rhetoric that is being fed to them online and by elected officials, it's hard to blame somebody with a little bit of mental illness for taking this seriously. If Trump really is Hitler, if ICE is really the Gestapo, then aren't you doing something good? If Israel is really committing genocide and we're supporting Israel and committing that genocide, if you stop the people who are supporting that, aren't you preventing genocide? That's the sort of logical conclusions that a lot of dumb people being misled.

[Tim Pool]

You know what I always thought was really funny is the if you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you do it?

[Carter Banks]

No, I would help him. I would make him a better human so he didn't go crazy like he did that.

[Tim Pool]

My, my point is like the conundrum you're presented with is kill a baby or let Hitler happen. When it's like you could literally just move the baby to a different building and like, it'll get adopted by a different family.

[Eliyahu]

Butterfly, race him as a Jew.

[Tim Pool]

You could literally just take baby Hitler and then bring him to, like North Sentinel island where he'll grow up and just be firing bows and arrows with the North Sentinelese.

[Carter Banks]

I wonder if you could ever be fair. They'd probably eat it if you went back in time to Hitler. And you're like, look, I'm going to teach you how to be a really good painter so this time you'll succeed, make him better at art. You end up just making him excited to paint. And then he. The same thing happens. And what if he doesn't even want to pay anymore? He's like, I've already done this now

[Tim Pool]

what if, what if every. But hold on. What if every time you're like. You're like Hitler, you got to paint a new picture. Trust me, it's going to work. He's like, but I don't want to paint picture. I want to kill the Jews. And you're like, stop it, Hitler. Stop it this time. Stop it. Not this time. Changing things.

[Carter Banks]

It's just the breakers you're worried about. It's not the Jewish people themselves.

[Eliyahu]

I don't know. Was it just Hitler responsible for only.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Literally nothing else?

[Eliyahu]

I don't know. Was really.

[Carter Banks]

Society put that guy in power on purpose. That that cultic mechanism had been flowing for 20 or 30 years. Is like a counter communist movement.

[Eliyahu]

I fail to believe that he was solely responsible for all of Nazism and Germany buying into.

[Carter Banks]

He was put there. He was chosen to be in order for that movement. It was not an anti counter communist because it was like communist.

[Eliyahu]

Bring this, I think full circle too to the gerrymandering because I think that plays a role in this. Because again, it gets more, as Tim was saying, more extremist lawmakers elected into office. It incentivizes more extreme candidates because they only need to play ball in the primary and not the general. And if their rhetoric is getting more extreme, people again have less of an outlet for their politics in these general elections. I think you're kind of setting up a powder keg in many senses.

[Carter Banks]

I thought the same thing earlier when you're talking about that. I don't know how to give people their voice back since Congress was hijacked by the Federal Reserve in 1913. Obviously they're working for big business. The little guy's been suffering under the boot. But they didn't know.

[Theo Wold]

Totally screwed. Yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, I think. Well, that's, that's one of the big problems, right. Is like there's. There's no value to the money for working class people. They have no access even if they have a member of Congress who, Who is ostensibly equal to their ideological preferences. The members of Congress are all owned by big banks. By multinational corporations, by special interests.

[Eliyahu]

So can I pivot and ask you were in Trump 45, what do you think about Trump 47.

[Theo Wold]

What, what do I think about 47? I think there have been some really exciting things that they've accomplished. I think for those folks who like to say, well 47 is the corrective to 45, we solved, you know, a lot of the personnel issues. I don't know if that's exactly right. I think there's some of the similar problems that, that we experienced in 45. There are, there are people who are not aligned with the core parts of what Trump originally ran on, which is, you know, rewiring trade to favor the interests of working class Americans, stopping the mass immigration that is destroying the continuity, the coherence of our, of our culture and you know, no, no, you know, foreign entanglements, no forever wars. So I think there are parts of 47 that are distinct and different. I think he is moved out faster on, on some of the core issues that, that needed to be addressed. But in other ways I think you, some of the same personnel, I know

[Eliyahu]

some, some people there's been some fracturing of the party. I don't know if I'm breaking any news for you here. What do you think of the intra maga fights that we're seeing as a result of some of the President's policies? I guess particularly on the Iran war. But there's other things too.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, I, look, I, I, some of that's really difficult to disentangle from the nefarious influence of, of social media as, as a new way of not only just getting clicks but monetizing. So you mentioned like the way that like a grieving widow is now somehow twisted in and reshaped as the villain of the story. And there are plenty of people who have a direct incentive to monetary incentive to do, to do that. So I think the, the biggest voices in this discussion all have some very interesting incentives to part with the President. Now I think a few of the folks who have part with the president, certainly it is on a question of conviction. I think they, they, they vehemently disagree with the President's decision to go to war in Iran. And I think as, as the situation plays out in the Strait of Hormuz and it's its cascading effect on the world economy, I think they feel like they are justified in that opposition. So I think the question is now if President Trump were running for reelection in 2028, would the coalition that secured his victory this last election, 24 be there for him.

[Eliyahu]

Him. I don't know if that's as much of an interesting question because he wouldn't be able to run.

[Theo Wold]

Again, I'm saying if he were running.

[Carter Banks]

Right.

[Eliyahu]

I think the more interesting question would be would JD Vance or Marco Rubio be able to inherit that coalition? Do you think there's a choice for who would be preferable in a MAGA heir apparent situation? Because the President won't be around forever. Of course.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah. I don't, I don't know if it's the. I mean, I think, I think obviously if J.D. vance decides to run, I think most of the elements of this new fusion coalition, the tech. Right. The populist core, they're probably going to get behind Vance. But I think it's an open question whether the Vice President runs. And I will say it seems like Marco Rubio staying power as like the favorite son of the President is really without parallel. No one has lasted.

[Eliyahu]

Fascinating.

[Theo Wold]

No one has lasted this close to, to the sun for this. I mean, if you're thinking like French imperial politics, nobody has been this close to the king as a chief courtier for this long and succeeded. And it's not like he's only, you know, it's not like he's just running like national parks. He's got a pretty important portfolio of issues and the President obviously favors him, thinks, you know, incredibly highly of the work that he's doing.

[Tim Pool]

So.

[Theo Wold]

So I wouldn't count out Marco Rubio. And Marco Rubio still has a lot of, a lot of staying power with the old guard, the old Bush element of the Republic.

[Eliyahu]

He's really come a long way. I'm old enough to remember when he was little Marco. You guys remember little Marco? Little Marco. And now he is National Security Advisor, Secretary of State, might be Mega air.

[Carter Banks]

Apparently he was cheap neocon in 2012 when he was one of those against Obama. I think he ran.

[Tim Pool]

Did.

[Carter Banks]

He ran in 2008 as well?

[Theo Wold]

He ran in 20. 2016.

[Carter Banks]

He didn't run in 2012.

[Tim Pool]

I thought he was 13.

[Theo Wold]

He was, you know, an architect of, well, he had, you know, he had joined on some controversial bipartisan bills and then he ran in 16. But I, I think that the, there's a lot of daylight between that Marco and this Marco.

[Tim Pool]

Let's grab the story from the Independent. Mysterious earthquake swarm near Area 51 sparks conspiracy theories about secret testing. The quakes range from 2.5 to 4.4 in magnitude and struck within miles of the mysterious Area 51 military base. They say at least 17 earthquakes have been recorded in the past 24 hours. That's crazy, right?

[Carter Banks]

Testing. Yeah, that's.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they must be testing something, right? Sounds like Area 51, of course. The Nevada Test Site. 4.4 magnitude earthquake struck 2.5 below. 2.5 miles below ground just after 3pm on Wednesday, followed by over a dozen smaller quakes. More than 100 people reported feeling the quakes. Geophysicist and Internet special Internet personality Stefan Burns claimed in a video on X the 4.4 magnitude quake was in an unusual place to get an earthquake, adding that it's particularly shallow. Conspiracy theorists have long speculated aliens base. So this proves that the aliens are trying to escape and their ship is banging against the ground, trying to get out of the underground ceiling.

[Eliyahu]

I think Scientologists predicted something like. Like that.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Theo Wold]

Elron Hubard. Yeah, he wrote this all out.

[Eliyahu]

Out of the volcano.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, that's where they got. They got to reroute to get out through the volcano.

[Tim Pool]

No, that's just so wrong. Okay. Zenu dropped the aliens into the volcano, killing them. And then the thetans came out of the volcano and entered people's bodies.

[Eliyahu]

Imagine we made fun of Islam the way we just feel so callously to make fun of science. It's going to be really funny twice about it.

[Tim Pool]

It's going to be funny because, know, Eli's sitting here and then, you know, one day he's gonna die and he's gonna find himself, like, walking on a cloud, being like, where am I? He's gonna walk up, there's gonna be these pearly gates, and you're gonna be like, can I come in there? Like, Scientology was the right one and you made fun of him and there's gonna be like a bunch of aliens up there and like fens or whatever those things.

[Eliyahu]

Did you just say you work there?

[Tim Pool]

I.

[Carter Banks]

When I. In 2006, I was in LA, I lived right across the street from the Scientology center, and I auditioned for a role of a married guy. Me and my girlfriend Castle, as a married couple. And they're like, what do you mean?

[Eliyahu]

You got.

[Tim Pool]

What do you mean? Yeah. Wait, wait, wait.

[Carter Banks]

On Hollywood Boulevard or Hollywood Boulevard? Yeah, Hollywood and Franklin. They're across the street from Birds, where we'd hang out.

[Theo Wold]

And you were cast, like, in a promotional material?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, promotional material to project the right to marriage, which is one of their tenets is everyone, every human has a right to marriage. And it was me and her, and we lied to the people and said we're married and we weren't, which I Thought was kind of like indicative of what that whole religion is. Is fake.

[Eliyahu]

It seemed to.

[Carter Banks]

It was like this whole thing.

[Eliyahu]

You look like you could be a Scientologist too, though.

[Tim Pool]

Easily.

[Eliyahu]

They wanted me back.

[Carter Banks]

We would hang out. I know I knew a lot of. Of them.

[Eliyahu]

I mean, they test your.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I did the E meter. I would walk around the. In.

[Eliyahu]

What was your score? Wait, wait, wait.

[Theo Wold]

Say, say, say more about the E meter.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Carter Banks]

It's like metal rods and then they tell you, like, your E. I don't know if that's your chi. I don't know what they were telling me, but they're like. Yeah.

[Eliyahu]

You ever go to the. And you hold on to the handles and it like shocks you a little bit? I think it's just like that. And it makes you feel a little shocking. And then it like measure. Fake measures something tell you you're not sufficient and you need to like.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know, might be measuring something. But like, they have workout tech where you can hold a metal bar and then stand on a scale and it'll tell you like your body mass index and all. So it might have been measuring some frequency, but.

[Eliyahu]

So I think this could work with impressionable people. You're a bit impressionable, though. Why didn't this work on you? Why didn't you.

[Carter Banks]

Skeptical. I don't know. I don't get into Earth religions anyway that much. So I was just like. I don't even think of it really as a religion. Not earthly. It was more of like club.

[Theo Wold]

Hold on, go back. Earth religions, like instead, like cosmic religion.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, like Scientology feels like a cosmic religion.

[Carter Banks]

Anything fate, human ideas that were developed by humans. I don't really put too much faith in human ideologies that much. As opposed to like, what God really is probably real. So I'm not too, like, adherent to one way I gotta think of it. It's just. And I always thought it was more of like a bro. A guy's club. Scientology. It didn't feel like a religion.

[Eliyahu]

D.C. is a Scientologist.

[Carter Banks]

It was like a fraternity.

[Tim Pool]

Tom Cruise.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, Tom was in it. He was like the most famous one at the time. John Travolta. Travolta got.

[Eliyahu]

That's not a bad squad of people

[Theo Wold]

that Bill Smith was a Scientology.

[Carter Banks]

They'll tell you, like, they'll make you super famous if you join the fraternity, basically. Then you pay them a bunch of money and then they make that. You hang out at the bar with them afterwards. You all become friends.

[Eliyahu]

They drink too.

[Carter Banks]

They cast you in their movies. I think that's the whole.

[Eliyahu]

How do they feel about Jews?

[Carter Banks]

I don't know if they drink. I don't know if they drink. I was just saying that I never drank with, like, Scientologists or anything. I don't know. I didn't ask. And I only hung up. Went there once or twice and.

[Eliyahu]

Or twice.

[Carter Banks]

It's kind of like Jews, like. I never thought they were a religion. I just thought it was another type of Christianity growing up.

[Eliyahu]

We're better than.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know. I just said that because you're here.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

No, no, but it was like. I didn't. I don't know much about religion, man.

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[Eliyahu]

Oh, dude. Yes. Don't be so modest.

[Carter Banks]

People are people. When you look in their eyes, they just want to eat food and get music.

[Eliyahu]

Is your religion, bro.

[Carter Banks]

That's true. Praise God.

[Eliyahu]

Are you of an Earth religion?

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I am of an Earth religion.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Eliyahu]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

I prefer Earth religions to say Martian ones.

[Carter Banks]

Really?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Whatever they're doing up on Mars, I ain't having earthly religions, man.

[Eliyahu]

I know. I don't know. It seems like we only pray to money these days.

[Carter Banks]

I know. That's the earthly religion that's truly looking back 10,000 years. When they look back at this era, they're like they were worshiping money and they didn't. Maybe some of them realized that they'd been a doctor.

[Theo Wold]

St. Augustine says, man has a desire to worship, and if you take God from the picture, he will worship something.

[Carter Banks]

And now Elon says the next phase of human currency will be just electricity and your ability to move a payload. So what will we begin to worship then?

[Eliyahu]

I'm starting to think this Elon guy is full of it. I don't know. Just me.

[Carter Banks]

He just sees far ahead. He sees cycle.

[Eliyahu]

No, I don't know. Ever since the. The Doge stuff, like. And he promised like a trillion and only got a billion, I was just like. Well, I knew before that, too, but that was the nail in the coffin.

[Tim Pool]

So it's better than zero.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, it is better than zero. But if you overpromise and underdeliver, then you didn't do what you said you were going to do. People are disappointed, and it's a big disappointment. And I think.

[Theo Wold]

I think in a classic engineer's approach to government, I don't think he expected to find so many obstacles from his own side that people within the administration or maybe even within the cabinet, we're going to say no, no, no, not this program. Because this. This is my part of the deep state, and it has to stay.

[Eliyahu]

I do wish I had as many kids as him. Not as many baby mamas, though.

[Carter Banks]

Do you have any kids?

[Eliyahu]

No.

[Carter Banks]

Are you planning?

[Eliyahu]

I hope so.

[Carter Banks]

What's the plan?

[Eliyahu]

The plan is to find a beautiful Jewish woman.

[Carter Banks]

So once you find her, what are you going to do?

[Eliyahu]

I'm going to propose to her.

[Carter Banks]

See, my problem is I find the girl, and then I'm not the. I'm not good enough.

[Eliyahu]

Well, then you didn't find her.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I thought I did, but, like, you know, you're always, like, looking.

[Theo Wold]

I thought it was like a birds and the bees conversation.

[Tim Pool]

How old are you?

[Eliyahu]

What are you.

[Tim Pool]

What are you going to do?

[Eliyahu]

You need to do it sooner than later.

[Carter Banks]

Because my whole life I'm like, I got to find the right girl. Then I'm like, no, I got to be the right girl.

[Eliyahu]

So young. But you might as well be your one's foot in the grave, man.

[Carter Banks]

That's what it's starting to feel like. It's.

[Eliyahu]

Even though you look so young.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah. What do you have, 47?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, 47.

[Eliyahu]

That's washed up, man.

[Tim Pool]

I think I had a 32 years

[Carter Banks]

left genetic age of 44.

[Tim Pool]

Last time I said that's what you're picking it at? 70? 79 is life expectancy.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but that's my assessment. Well, maybe I'm halfway there. I'm just crossing the hill right now.

[Carter Banks]

Dude, they're saying, like, you're gonna live to 150. Pretty. Pretty much everybody's gonna be, like, 100.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I'm not at this point because I'm rich. The rest of you, I don't know, maybe you. You're friends with the government, so there you go.

[Carter Banks]

Would you plug your brain into a machine?

[Theo Wold]

The. No, like the cryogenic. Like, Walt Disney. Like, just save. Save my brain in my head.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Like, brain digitization.

[Eliyahu]

Oh.

[Tim Pool]

They. They plug a neural link in, and then slowly, bit by bit, they replace your brain with. With quantum or nano neurons, and then after 30 years, your whole brain is cyber. Cybernetic.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not down with the cyborg thing.

[Carter Banks]

Me neither, man. I don't want to die because life is awesome, but sometimes I'm like. I got.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Carter Banks]

Death is awesome.

[Tim Pool]

Sometimes you just want to. You want to let it go, you know, just like, here we go.

[Carter Banks]

Sometimes I'm just, like, lost, and I'm like, what is. What are we doing here other than procreating? That Procreating.

[Eliyahu]

And then.

[Carter Banks]

Then what? Like, what else is Earth religion?

[Tim Pool]

You have kids.

[Eliyahu]

Be fruitful and multiply.

[Tim Pool]

You pass butter. Pass butter. You pass the butter. That's your purpose.

[Carter Banks]

Like, just. Just help people out a little.

[Tim Pool]

No, keep doing it. You have Ian just you during breakfast. You're only here so that when I say pass the butter, you do.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, that gives me something to do at least. But I do purpose. You know, establishing purpose for humans is very important across the board.

[Theo Wold]

That's.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Rick and Morty joke.

[Carter Banks]

What's that?

[Tim Pool]

It's a Rick and Morty joke. He creates a sentient little robot. And the robot looks at his hands and goes, what is my purpose? And goes past the butter and hands in the butter.

[Carter Banks]

My Uncle Alvin.

[Tim Pool]

And then he uses it. And the robot goes, what is my purpose? Because you pass butter. And the robot goes, oh, my God.

[Carter Banks]

Whenever you'd ask Alvin to pass you the butter, he'd make sure you get your thumb stuck in it when he would hand it to you.

[Tim Pool]

That's offensive.

[Carter Banks]

He was an offensive farmer. He was awesome.

[Tim Pool]

You have kids who experience life and learn and iterate. And the function of life, whether you want to call it purpose, is to organize free energy into complex systems serving as negative entropy, although operating at a lesser rate than entropy itself.

[Carter Banks]

Here's what I. What I want to do is prevent World War iii. This is my life. Build a space elevator.

[Tim Pool]

I'm gonna make it happen. So now we cancel each other out.

[Carter Banks]

You're gonna make it happen?

[Tim Pool]

You're gonna try and stop it? I'm trying to make it happen.

[Carter Banks]

I'll try and stop it.

[Tim Pool]

I'm doing it. Just let me stop it. Well, no, no. Just. Just to fight you, I'm going to try and make it happen. I'd have to stop. Cancel out all your hard work.

[Eliyahu]

Don't do it.

[Theo Wold]

Come back to me.

[Carter Banks]

I want to build a space elevator. Prevent the world war. If we can.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know if the space elevator makes World War three happen.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, truly. What if.

[Eliyahu]

I was going to say reversals are in competition.

[Tim Pool]

So, like, America builds a space elevator. And then China's like, you can't have access to the moon like that. We want access to the moon. Then the US Starts moon mining real easily, and with access to these resources starts growing too rapidly, Other nations get threatened, and all of the resources coming from the moon and staying in Earth cause a shift in the rotation of the Earth, because now they're displacing. Weight from the moon onto Earth, causing the Earth to wobble. So other countries are like, dude, Earth will be destroyed unless you guys stop moon mining. And they're like, don't look at me, man. I only moon mine a couple tons per year, but it's everyone doing it at once. And so then a war breaks out and it's your fault.

[Carter Banks]

We have to replace the weight that we take off the mass that we take off the moon. We have to replace it with stuff. I asked Chat how. How much it was like, don't worry about it. It would take so long to mine such moon mass that it would. The tides would become affected. But I like, eventually it would happen. So we would have to like, put, like, rock, you know, mine the metal, Put the rock on there.

[Tim Pool]

Water up there.

[Carter Banks]

Water.

[Tim Pool]

It would just evaporate, though. It would just evaporate. Freeze. Would it go to space? It would not. It would not freeze. I don't think.

[Carter Banks]

What other things should we do on Earth? Because, like, the political thing in the US Is fucking terrifying right now. I'm like, what do we do? We got to.

[Tim Pool]

We should make like a thousand more Pokemon. There's. Right now. Right now is about a thousand. But we need a thousand more.

[Carter Banks]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

I could do.

[Eliyahu]

No, we need to go back to the original 151.

[Theo Wold]

The Bio biodiversity of Pokemon.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You know what? Elads, Right. Let's. Let's delete all of them and go back to the original, which didn't make sense. There were like three birds in their whole world.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah. Once they got to the thousands. Well, once they got the second set,

[Carter Banks]

I never really recognized any of those.

[Eliyahu]

Recognized past the OGs.

[Tim Pool]

And. And the collectability was gone.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because the. The original Pokemon, there was only one species that had male and female, like every other species. Just asexual, I guess, or hermaphroditic.

[Eliyahu]

They should have capped it with Mewtwo. With Mew and Mewtwo. I think that's it. That should have been the end.

[Carter Banks]

Can't participate. I never played it. I never saw it. I don't know anything. My buddy sang the theme song. That's all I know. Jason Page.

[Eliyahu]

Were you a Yu. Gi. Oh, guy. I guess.

[Carter Banks]

Anyone remember Crazy Bones?

[Tim Pool]

I was thinking about.

[Eliyahu]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

It's hard to explain what that was

[Carter Banks]

to, like, a lot of people. Yeah.

[Eliyahu]

I think there's another name for a game that was similar to Crazy Bones. And Crazy Bones came in like a coffin. Bridded. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, yeah. You flick them and then you get the other ones. If you knock them down. Okay, I never played it. It lasted for, like, one year. You guys play crossbows and catapults in the 80s? I mean, I just keep talking about old board games.

[Eliyahu]

You. How old are you?

[Theo Wold]

I'm. I'm 40. I'm. I'm just a few years behind you on the journey into the.

[Eliyahu]

You look a lot younger than him, too.

[Carter Banks]

Well, well, genetic age and solar age aren't the same, you know, that's why your genes can get younger. Your telomeres can reach.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I just saw this. I got to pull it up because it's fun. We're gonna talk about this real quick. This is from R slash theories on Reddit. The ballroom bunker must be stopped at all costs. We have to prevent the ballroom bunker from being built. We have to. The ballroom is so important to him because it's not about the ballroom. Never was. It's about having a secure location for his night of the long knives. Oh, man. How many. How many upvotes does this thing have? 290. His supporters want mass arrest. They post about it constantly. After they indicted the splc, his admin linked judges who worked the SPLC as lawyers. We're being slow.

[Theo Wold]

Boiled alive.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the same people building the Silicon Valley bunkers are building his. Why are they all needing these bunkers? Why it's so important? Do you really think they're going to allow us to get back in power and risk them getting arrested? They're all implicated in the Epstein files. The only way he gets to keep the government buildings with his name, passports, the golden dollars, his statues, his arch, stolen billions, is if the billionaire. He is if the billionaire, and is if the billionaire and he wipes us out and stays in power. They can't live with us knowing what we know. There is only one outcome in this timeline. Unless we change it, we are in grave danger. Yes, you are.

[Carter Banks]

Trump wanted to make the straight of Trump. He wanted to change the name of the straight. I don't know if he wants to, but he posted that with his Truth Social account. He posted.

[Tim Pool]

I got to be honest. Like, the Trump passports, Trump accounts. Did you guys. So I looked up the Trump accounts, right? And it's IRS form 4547.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, 4000, 547.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, man. Okay.

[Tim Pool]

The Trump passports. I'm like, every I see people posting, be like, man, I really want to get one of these. And I'm like, are you joking? It's a novelty I don't really care about. But the people who are like, yeah, Trump Passport. I'm like, huh?

[Eliyahu]

No, I totally want to get one. What do you mean? It's going to be iconic. Especially, like 10 years out from now.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, and even think of 100 years.

[Tim Pool]

No, it won't be iconic because 10 years out from now, there'll be the 10th edition.

[Eliyahu]

No, they're definitely, like, once Trump's out of office, they're definitely.

[Tim Pool]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean once Trump is out of office?

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, one of those guys.

[Tim Pool]

Trump is building that meme where it's just guys. The ballroom is actually not a ballroom. It's the launch facility for Trump's Voltron. Oh. So, yeah, Hegseth, Cash and Rubio each have a robot, and so does Trump. And when they come together, they come out of the ballroom, opens up from the roof.

[Theo Wold]

Does JD have one?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. JD Is the chest, and then you've got Hegseth Patel the arms. Trump is the head, and they Voltron, and then they're gonna just rampage through America, stepping on Democrat congressional officers.

[Eliyahu]

It's not a ballroom. It's a. What is it? It's like his pyramid. It's his tomb. It's gonna be the president's tomb. That's right. He's gonna be referent tomb at the White House. Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

It would be funny.

[Eliyahu]

And beneath it, it's gonna be all of his riches. That's where it's gonna store all of his money in gold.

[Tim Pool]

It would actually be hilarious. I'm sorry. It would be if as soon as it's built, they line all of Trump's assets just like gold cars. And then right in the middle is a cryogenic chamber. And Trump just gets in, says, I resign, and then lays down and just freezes him right there. Sealed off. Yeah. The whole room, gigantic iron gates come down. Steel, steel shutters. No one can get in it for 200 years. It's just there. And then like 100 years from. I'm like, yeah, 47th president still in there.

[Carter Banks]

I have a feeling you. I guess if the Republicans hold office, it probably won't happen, but if the Democrats took the presidential power, that they would just undo a bunch of the naming stuff that Trump's been doing.

[Theo Wold]

Well, I think that's guaranteed.

[Carter Banks]

Okay, I thought so

[Tim Pool]

real quick. The conspiracy theory here is that under the ballroom actually is a massive bunker. And the libs think the ballroom is. The guys. Is the. Like, we're building a ballroom for special events, but it's actually so they can build a deep underground bunker with special Capabilities and stuff like that.

[Carter Banks]

I imagine they already have.

[Eliyahu]

It's definitely funny business under the ballroom. I don't know whether or not that was, like, the impetus for why the President wanted to build a business.

[Tim Pool]

What funny business?

[Eliyahu]

We don't know exactly, but some funny business like clowns. Definitely clowns juggling down there. Something is going to be going on under there.

[Carter Banks]

Clowns with laser guns.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

One clown's juggling while the other one shoots them with the lasers. And Trump's. Trump's down there going like, I love being President.

[Eliyahu]

I don't think they've made a new Situation Room in a few decades. Like, there's a couple of different. Yeah. Things that would make sense for them to have.

[Carter Banks]

You mentioned just.

[Tim Pool]

Well, so the conspiracy theory on the White House shooting is that it was staged to create a legal justification for the ballroom, which is dumb because it doesn't make sense. Legally, you can't go to court and be like, this X extraneous event occurred. Therefore, I now have legal standing to build with taxpayer dollars. They're going to be like, these are unrelated things. You don't get legal standing based on a thing happening somewhere else.

[Carter Banks]

I bet they got a big bunker under the. Under the White House.

[Tim Pool]

Under the White House is a network of tunnels. I've been there.

[Carter Banks]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

You can just go there.

[Eliyahu]

Oh, cool.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they're bowling alley.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, do they go.

[Tim Pool]

I bet.

[Carter Banks]

Do they go deeper than they. Yes, there's deeper and deeper and deeper.

[Tim Pool]

And they go 40, 50 miles out. Yeah. Yeah. So the White House is a complex. There's a couple buildings, like, there's the White House, and you go there quite a bit with the press briefing. There's the White House and then there's the buildings next to them and underground. It's all connected.

[Eliyahu]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

And then there's secret tunnels that go way out 40 miles into, like, western Maryland.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. In case, like, a nuclear blast happens and you do a vacuum.

[Tim Pool]

They drive. They're big.

[Carter Banks]

Think they were testing in.

[Tim Pool]

And actually, if you walk around D.C. and you're smart, you can find the old tunnels.

[Theo Wold]

The old tunnels, some of which are, like, at Georgetown University, that were used during the Civil War.

[Tim Pool]

You can see the exit. There will be, like, a weird thing where if you don't really think about, you know, what it is, but if you know where they are, you can see the exits that pop up in the middle of D.C. or somewhere where they're exits to secret escape tunnels.

[Eliyahu]

And it's completely reasonable for people to dig tunnels every now and then. And there's nothing weird about that.

[Carter Banks]

Boring company got Elon started a boring company and then it just went dark. It's totally government that they're building so many tunnels right now.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, it's not a ballroom. Time magazine's calling it a massive military complex.

[Carter Banks]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

What if. What if Trump is building? Like. Like, what if Trump really is everything Democrats have claimed he is, and all the Republicans are like, I wish he was the fascist they claimed he was. He is, but not on the surface. So we don't get anything we actually want, but all of the worst things imaginable are actually happening.

[Theo Wold]

Well, I mean, the crazy thing, though, about this picture that's. That's running with this story in time is it assumes that we don't have Google Earth imaging. Like, you could bring up the satellite pictures of what they're building. So if it is a massive military complex, China, Iran, everyone already knows about it. I just.

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[Theo Wold]

I'm skeptical of this because they would have done more to secure the site and they would have moved faster to construct even before the lawsuits.

[Carter Banks]

It's very. Also, I don't think you would want it right next to the White House. If you're going to build a big military complex, you want it farther away so if it gets hit by a missile, it doesn't blow up the entire. Yeah, placenta.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, the one thing a lot of Americans don't understand about the White House is it's a 18th century house that's doing triple quadruple duty now as the nerve center of the executive branch, as the official sort of meet and greet for the head of state, you know, for the first ladies. It's maxed out. It's totally maxed out. There is. The President is not wrong. I mean, when, you know, the thing that liberals made a big deal about in 45, that he came and he was like, wow, this book place is kind of a dump. I mean, there's so many people going through there. The quarters are cramped. You mentioned the Situation Room, and the last time it was rewired was, I think, the end of the Clinton presidency. The mass. The last massive retrofit of it was under President Nixon. And these retrofits, because it's a place of work, they just kind of paper shit over. So the building needs to be updated.

[Tim Pool]

That's. I want to stress this too. Living in the White House would be living in a hotel with a convention going on 24, 24 7. It's like the most miserable thing that you could imagine. The White House, again, it's a complex. Actually. Let me pull up Earth and explain this to you.

[Carter Banks]

They're gonna paint it eventually.

[Tim Pool]

Paint it?

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

They keep brown house.

[Carter Banks]

They based it off of Roman architecture, which is all these white pillars of marble, but the paint wore off of those. They actually paint their houses like normal humans.

[Tim Pool]

So here you go.

[Carter Banks]

Memorabilia that's like all white.

[Tim Pool]

So you've got the Eisenhower building, and this is part of the White House complex, but the White House actually is these. These three buildings. They tore this one down, Right? That's the one that got knocked out.

[Theo Wold]

It's gone. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then you got the treasury building. So you go in here. This is the press brief. This is the press paving right here A lot.

[Eliyahu]

A little bit to the right. To the right, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Right here.

[Theo Wold]

That. That long portion.

[Tim Pool]

A long portion, yeah.

[Eliyahu]

So that's where the oval is.

[Theo Wold]

And that's gone to.

[Tim Pool]

Was right here.

[Eliyahu]

Left down. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

In here?

[Eliyahu]

Yeah. Bottom right part.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah. The West Wing. Right.

[Carter Banks]

The swimming pool.

[Theo Wold]

And where your cursor just was like, The Rose Garden. That's gone.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah. Now. Yeah. And there's a few statues there.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the White House. Imagine living in here, and you've got all the people showing up for work in here and in here and in here and in here and in here.

[Carter Banks]

Even at the castle.

[Tim Pool]

No. It's like living in a convention. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Sorry.

[Eliyahu]

There's a lot of traffic in and out consistently.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's nuts. 24. Seven to the southwest of that.

[Carter Banks]

Is that a pool that you can swim in?

[Eliyahu]

I'm not.

[Theo Wold]

Looks like it's a pool.

[Eliyahu]

I never get close.

[Carter Banks]

Is that just for people to live there or work there?

[Theo Wold]

I mean, I think. I mean, the. The first family, obviously, but I think that's right behind the chief's office. The chief of staff's office is in that.

[Tim Pool]

That corner over there and then underground. Which ones? You said press briefing is right here.

[Eliyahu]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, well, how does that work, though? Because I. I feel like I walked in here.

[Eliyahu]

You might have entered through the.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, to the West Wing there.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. Okay.

[Eliyahu]

Through the West Wing.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. We walked down these stairs, and we walked up here, and then we entered here.

[Eliyahu]

That's Pebble Lane right there. If you look a little bit north, Tim.

[Theo Wold]

Pebble Beach. Yeah.

[Eliyahu]

Those tents right there are where. Yeah. All the press people shoot live videos from.

[Tim Pool]

Right, right. And Trump's like. He walks in, and then they're all standing there.

[Eliyahu]

And then you go to the right, and that would be where we enter the press briefing room.

[Tim Pool]

Right here?

[Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Down here?

[Eliyahu]

No, to the right. We'd go down that street.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's right here.

[Eliyahu]

No, left a little bit between where you were at. Orange. Yeah. The orange build. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

I think he's intentionally mousing around it. I like doing.

[Tim Pool]

I'm just like, this looks like a hallway. Doesn't look like the entrance.

[Carter Banks]

They retrofitted the briefing room. I think you mentioned that it was. Had been cramped or something.

[Eliyahu]

They didn't retrofit it. It's very tiny, and they can't purposefully keep it that way.

[Theo Wold]

The last major retrofit of the White House complex was under Harry Truman, that they did a significant refit of the facade. They added the balcony on the South Lawn. I mean, so. Because. Because a lot of presidents don't want to lose the symbolic power of being in the White House. So I think, like, the end of the Clinton presidency, they move some offices out to do, like, new paint and new carpet. But, like, the idea of shutting down the White House for a major retrofit for two or three years while the president works out of a temporary office in the old Executive. No president wants to forego the symbolism of the White House.

[Tim Pool]

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[Eliyahu]

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[Tim Pool]

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[Eliyahu]

Yeah. What is that? Wisconsin? That has that other part?

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, the Upper Peninsula.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is this? Huh? Yeah. Some kind of.

[Eliyahu]

Wisconsinites must just be kind of soft. I mean, for sure.

[Theo Wold]

Territory.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I guess, I guess to be fair, there is a bridge connecting them.

[Theo Wold]

Okay,

[Carter Banks]

yeah.

[Tim Pool]

What's going on? And then Canada is stealing part of the land.

[Theo Wold]

Yeah, totally.

[Tim Pool]

We can't accept it. Could you imagine? You're like, you're, you're, you're. You're on a boat in Lake Superior. Mind your own business. And accidentally you're in Canada now. That'd be the worst thing ever.

[Carter Banks]

That used to happen in lake.

[Tim Pool]

They just shoot you. They throw. They throw maple syrup cocktails.

[Theo Wold]

They would, they would vaccine you and enroll you in some kind of socialized health care.

[Tim Pool]

No, indeed. Things that we just don't want. All right, let's grab some more of these here super chats. What is a war a pack? What does it say? War a pack? I. I don't know how to say your name. Is being a fascist worse than being a communist? Communists kill more people in history than anyone else. Yeah, actually, and fascist countries actually just dissolve. Communists, Fascist countries eventually, just like they dissolve into general elections. Communist countries kill everybody until they blow up. So I was actually reading an interesting academic article about this that if you look at, you know, Spain, for instance, it eventually just soft. Turned back into a standard republic. Well, after.

[Theo Wold]

I mean, Franco wrote a constitution that restored the monarchy and allowed for democratic elections.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Whereas communists fight to the bitter end

[Theo Wold]

until there's no one else left.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, there's no one.

[Carter Banks]

Is North Korea considered fascist or communist?

[Tim Pool]

Communist.

[Theo Wold]

Communist, yeah.

[Eliyahu]

Totalitarian for sure.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Eliyahu]

Is our all more than anything else? Like, I mean, I'm sure they. The ideology is communist, but like. Yeah, it's more state repression than Batman.

[Tim Pool]

Batman says. Tim, I've been watching you since the beginning. You're amazing and truly inspirational. Because of you and your message. I am enlisting in the army and striving to serve America the best I can. Thank you for everything, Tim. Well, amazing. Best of luck, Tim.

[Eliyahu]

You're motivating the next generation of patriots.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, I don't. I've never advocated people join the army because I have issues with the.

[Eliyahu]

You're gonna get this guy to drop out.

[Tim Pool]

Now, let me put it like this. Let's say it's the year is 1780. Now let's go with the 1780 could work. Revolutionary War. There is a battle going on and they know that there's this dude who lives in Virginia who's one of the best tacticians ever, but he's just not in the army. They can, they can issue a field commission. They can be like, we need you. Because this is when humans made sense and it wasn't bureaucratic. It was like, listen, I'm in charge of this. Would you like to fight alongside me? I'll give you a field commission. They'd be like, okay, you can't do that anymore. Now it's like, did you go to college? It's like, well, you could have a guy who's one of the best in terms of like private military stuff trained with a bunch of crazy top tier guys. And they're going to be like, sorry, we can hire you privately, but you literally can't join the military unless you go to college.

[Carter Banks]

Can they do battlefield appointments commissions? I don't know. Legally they can't. Genghis Khan was great at that. He'd find the smartest, best people and he just put them in power.

[Tim Pool]

They were like, no, that's how it used to be.

[Theo Wold]

I think there is credit that should be given to Hegseth here in getting rid of the. The idea that promotion through the general officer ranks relies on you getting a degree from Princeton or Harvard. That's gone. But to Tim's point, I mean, like, look, under the current bureaucratic system we have, you know, MacArthur would have been out before the end of World War II. LeMay would have been out because it's promote or you're out and there's an age cap on promotion. So all this genius that we credit now would have never been in the positions they were in in those pivotal moments because of bureaucracy, it's way too

[Tim Pool]

bureaucratic and it becomes rigid. And I know. So it's a large organization, so not everyone has the same experience. But the people that I know who have served, when I stayed briefly at Fort Carson for about a month and a half when my Sister was living there, and I stayed with her. And I lived briefly outside of Fort Eustis when my brother was stationed there. And the stories that I hear from people there, they're just like. It's like working at Walmart. You know, you might go to the chain of command. You might be like, hey, here's a thing that needs to be solved. And they're like, the mechanism doesn't allow for us to solve problems that way. You hear about the bureaucracy of it, and it's just. It is inefficient, in my opinion.

[Carter Banks]

I would love to. I know getting Hagseth on the show is a big ask, but. And maybe while he's working at him, that'd be great to hear about what it was when he came in, how he's changed it, what he wants to change it to.

[Tim Pool]

We just have to go to him.

[Carter Banks]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

I think we've already had the discussion with administration people, and it's like, bro, trying to get the Secretary of War to, like, come out here for your show, like, go there and he'll sit down with you and he'll tell you,

[Theo Wold]

I do think this is why you see such a. Like a virulent reaction. The antibody reaction from the Deep State and the DC elite to Hegseth is because he is changing a lot of the ways that we recruit and we get the. The general officers, but also some of these, like, really fake and sort of silly requirements. I'm like, well, you can't be an officer unless you went to college or you can't promote unless you got this, you know, fake credential from the executive program.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we can't function this way. Like. Like there's gonna be some dude. And this is the problem with the overreliance on private. On private enterprise to subsidize effectively the failures that we're having in our military now. By all means, I think it's great if you're signing up, if you're enlisting. That's absolutely fantastic. I'm not trying to rag and say, don't do it. I'm just saying there's a lot of guys who work in cybersecurity, for instance, and they grew up in a world of computers where they became some of the best OPSEC guys on the planet.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

It.

[Tim Pool]

And they did not go to school, and they did not train to be in the military. And now the government relies on private contractors for most of this stuff. Not. Not maybe. Not most of. At this point, maybe things are changing. But it was always silly to me and largely this view is predicated upon this, that I knew people who were the best hackers you'd ever see in terms of actual computer networking. Real hacking, real computer hacking. And they would do private contracts, be outside the chain of command. And I'm like, this is dumb. Why can't they go to you and say, we're going to put you through basic training, you are going to come in as an officer specializing in cybersecurity. You can be in the military. Nope, can't do it. So what they do is they hire you privately and then you're outside the chain of command. And it's just, I think that's dumb. I think it's bad for the US military.

[Theo Wold]

And I think to your point, the overreliance on like the private sector subsidy just compensates for the obvious inefficiencies, the pathogens in government.

[Tim Pool]

I suppose the argument that I've heard is that there's a lot of things you need to know that is administrative about being an officer. The functions of the chain of command, the ranks, even pay structures, how things, security clearances too, how you actually do it. You can't just be a regular person who has no idea how the machine works and come into the machine.

[Theo Wold]

The only thing I would say on that is, so I'm a reservist in the Air Force. I was a dude off the street. I went to officer training school. They don't teach you any of that stuff. Try to navigate your way through health care, your, you know, your pay, any of that. I mean it's, it is a, this is part of the bureaucracy is, it's all just kind of like a mystical, specialized knowledge you have to gain.

[Tim Pool]

What, what really, what really, I think got it for me is how many times I heard someone who was really passionate and wanted to be in there for a career, but they felt that they were held back by bureaucracy.

[Theo Wold]

Oh, I think, I mean really, honestly, I think you're exactly right. I would say it's even bigger than the military though, that we have so many people in our country who are autodidacts, they're self trained, they, you know, they learned a skill on the farm, they learned a skill from, you know, dad who was a skilled tradesman. And unless they have a paper credential saying, oh, you are an expert in this, there's no place in our economy for them. And that's just not true with the American experience. I mean, America's genius has always been the tinker in the garage, creates the, you know, the, the PC, the Apple.

[Tim Pool]

Apple was made in the garage by a couple of buddies and a marketing guy. Totally.

[Theo Wold]

Exactly.

[Tim Pool]

Let's. Let's grab one more. We got a good one here. Before we go to the uncensored portion, Skull kid says the DOJ stated they will enforce the SCOTUS ruling in every state with racially gerrymander districts. I believe that would be harm, Dylan.

[Eliyahu]

Right?

[Theo Wold]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, man. Yeah.

[Theo Wold]

It would be Civil Rights division.

[Tim Pool]

So they're going to basically go to every state and say, we are making you do this. I'm stoked. I'm excited. I'm really excited for when they finally let me go into the deep underground military bunker they're building at the White House and give me a tour. It's going to be fun. All right, everybody, smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at. Tim Cast. Sir, would you like to shout anything out?

[Theo Wold]

Yeah. Great to be with you. Thanks for having me, guys. Follow me at realtheo.

[Eliyahu]

Wold Theo, it's been really fun. Very insightful. You're. Hope you come back again soon.

[Theo Wold]

Love that.

[Eliyahu]

You guys follow me on X and Instagram at Lad Eliyahu. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. What's up, Ian?

[Carter Banks]

Just saying goodbye. I'm at Ian Crossland. You'll find me on the Internet. Go to X Instagram, check out my covers, my musical covers on Instagram and YouTube, which I haven't been posting on lately, but I do sometimes I put a short up about how to wake people up from when they become an npc. You can snap them back because what's happening is the spirit is like a player that's playing the game of Earth and you're a character in the game that it's moving around people. Sometimes the spirits stray from other humans and they're just walking around without a spirit. And when you look them in the eyes and acknowledge them and realize them, the spirit, like wave particle duality, snaps into position. And now you have a spirited human in front of you and they're a player character again. And you can wake people up. So continue to do that. Take care of yourself, Carter Banks. I'm gonna go watch that short tonight. And it sounds really, really good to become a PC instead of an npc. The tutorial on that, you can follow me at Carter Banks on X and Instagram at Carter Banks. Music or no Carter Banks official follow our record label at Trash house Records on YouTube.

[Tim Pool]

And Tim, we will see you all over at rumble. Com Timcast IRL right now. For the Uncensored Show. Thanks for hanging out.