GOP Taking BACK California, Spencer Pratt SURGES In LA Mayoral Race w/ Josh Rainer & Rebeka Zeljko

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Episode Title: GOP Taking BACK California, Spencer Pratt SURGES In LA Mayoral Race w/ Josh Rayner & Rebeka Zeljko
Aired: May 23, 2026
Host: Tate Brown (filling in for Tim Pool)
Panelists/Guests: Josh Rayner, Rebeka Zelko, Chris Carr, Olivia Dasavic, Carter Banks

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on recent GOP momentum in California, focusing on Spencer Pratt's surprise surge in the Los Angeles mayoral race and the broader prospects for Republican candidates in the state. The panel discusses the shifting political climate, urban issues like crime and homelessness, controversial cultural pivots (like Hooters going family-friendly), and major current events including the ongoing US-Iran conflict and the resignation of Tulsi Gabbard from the Trump administration. The tone is irreverent but engaged, with panelists blending sharp political insight, local knowledge, and candid humor.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Spencer Pratt’s LA Mayoral Surge

[07:47 - 29:20]

• Context: Spencer Pratt, reality TV star known from MTV’s “The Hills,” is shaking up the LA mayoral race as a registered Republican. He now trails incumbent Karen Bass by only 8 points, polling ahead of the progressive favorite Nithya Raman.
• Populist Appeal: Pratt’s relentless focus on LA-centric issues—especially crime and homelessness—wins support across ideological lines, with many noting his “relatability” and authenticity compared to career politicians.
  • “His entire campaign is actually quite detached from national storylines…every single word that comes out of his mouth is about Los Angeles and that's why it's a breath of fresh air.” — Tate Brown (12:04)
• Celebrity Backing: Surprisingly, even Hollywood’s elite, typically left-leaning, are quietly engaging with Pratt, waiting for mainstream media’s “permission” before openly supporting him.
  • “Leonardo DiCaprio and Jamie Foxx are…talking to him about what they want to see done.” — Josh Rayner (16:46)
• Media Skepticism: The LA Times and other local outlets are “knives out” for Pratt, focusing on minor scandals like his campaign spending at Hotel Bel Air.
• Authenticity vs. Establishment: Panelists stress that Pratt’s lack of political experience—usually a liability—actually works to his advantage in a populist climate.

Notable Quotes:

• “He’s like, ‘Yep, they burned my house down too.’ Super effective.” — Rebeka Zelko [17:46]
• “Spencer Pratt is just like, ‘OK, yeah, make me the villain. Whatever. I’m gonna fix it though.’ And you can’t beat that bravado.” — Josh Rayner [25:53]

Memorable Moment:

• Discussion of LA’s unique political landscape and why the trope of “everyone in California is a lefty” is misleading. LA hosts the largest population of Republicans of any US county. [13:56]

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2. The California Political Turnaround & Jungle Primaries

[29:20 - 34:53]

• Governor’s Race: Jungle primaries, originally designed to favor Democrats, are now showing Republican candidates gaining traction due to vote-splitting among liberals.
• Rise of Steve Hilton: Media-trained and seen as having “a little bit” of the ‘it factor’, Hilton is consolidating Republican support for the Governor’s mansion.
• GOP’s ‘Aura Problem’: The party is criticized for being too nit-picky, tearing itself down just at the moment when power becomes attainable.
  • “Who can win? My full support is for whoever can win.” — Josh Rayner [31:36]
• Panel View: There’s a revived hope for conservatives in California—but also a warning against infighting and self-sabotage.

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3. Why Fight for California?

[34:53 - 38:42]

• California as Cultural/Economic Engine: Despite its problems, CA remains vital for GOP aspirations because it drives US culture, tech, agriculture, and GDP.
  • “You can’t build another California…GDP wise, most important state in the country, you kinda just gotta take it back.” — Tate Brown [36:59]
• Conservative Strategy Shift: Skepticism about “parallel institutions”—the idea of giving up blue states and building red havens—versus retaking key institutions and states.

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4. US Crime Decline: Skepticism & Reality

[46:11 - 63:56]

• FBI Reports: Violent crime is at a more than 90-year low, but everyday Americans still feel unsafe.
• Panel Analysis: Lower overall crime masks the spread of crime into new, previously “safe” neighborhoods—wealth doesn’t insulate from social breakdown as it once did.
• Statistics vs. Lived Experience: Panelists agree that while murder and violent crime stats show decline, personal anecdotes (break-ins, public confrontations, random violence) suggest a more complicated reality.
  • “It’s the indiscriminate crime…there’s nowhere you can go to get away.” — Josh Rayner [55:34]
• Structural Issues: Lighter law enforcement, tolerance of “antisocial minor offenses,” and nonprofit money in homelessness lead to a sense of pervasive disorder.

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5. US Foreign Policy: Cuba, Iran & The Trump Doctrine

[69:26 - 87:49]

• Cuba Tensions: Rubio’s comments escalate tensions, but the panel sees little real threat.
  • “It’s like going to war with a refugee camp.” — Tate Brown [70:38]
• Iran Conflict: Ongoing war is discussed as Trump’s attempt to build a legacy, exercise executive power abroad as domestic political wins get jammed up.
  • “Trump is in legacy mode…wants to mop up international situations…to make his mark on history.” — Rebeka Zelko [75:14]
• Panel Divides: Some see hope for a deal before midterms; others (Chris Carr) label it “the new forever war.” [122:33]
• Tulsi Gabbard Resignation: Breaks during show. Discussed as evidence of Trump coalition fracture over foreign policy, and of the “purge” climate in the administration.
  • “It’s either get on Team Trump or get off the boat.” — Chris Carr [78:22]

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6. Cultural Turning Points: Hooters & Asexual America

[88:01 - 111:32]

• Hooters' Family-Friendly Pivot: Seen as symptomatic of broader, “asexual” cultural shift—less embrace of ordinary sexuality, more extremity in private (or online), and loss of old gender norms/traditions.
  • “Over-sexualized in the wrong ways and under-sexualized in the right ways.” — Tate Brown [89:31]
• OnlyFans, Loneliness & Dating: Explosion of OnlyFans, seen partly as men’s response to a broken dating market and desire for low-stakes connection.
  • “Men actually want some semblance of emotional connection with the person they’re observing.” — Josh Rayner [99:24]
• Generational Disconnect: Millennials as “the last generation allowed to be heterosexual.” Gen Z is described as more detached or asexual.

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7. Society, Social Media & The Future

[104:18 – 111:32]

• Normalization of Taboo: The panel notes how social media erodes private/public barriers on sexuality and conduct—predicting a “rubber band snapback” as the first generation of lifelong social media users enter politics and public life.
• Anecdotes about Pop Culture: Mr. Feeny (Boy Meets World) and others featured as cautionary tales about oversharing and changing norms.

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SELECTED NOTABLE QUOTES (with timestamps)

• “LA county has more Republicans than any other county in the entire country.”—Josh Rayner [13:56]
• “Republicans have a huge aura problem in politics. Pratt actually has…a bit of gravitas.”—Tate Brown [17:47]
• “People do get mugged by reality.”—Josh Rayner [43:17]
• “If we totally gave up [on California], we also partially forfeited Hollywood... Once we decided it wasn't worth saving.” — Rebecca Zelko [36:13]
• “If you commit 10 misdemeanors—like, non-traffic related—you get killed. That makes a lot of sense.” — Tate Brown [68:16]
• “You can’t build another California… GDP-wise, most important state… You kinda just gotta take it back.” — Tate Brown [36:59]
• “This is the plan when we went [into Iran]: we thought if we can create a power vacuum... they'll just step up and change the regime. It didn’t happen.” — Tate Brown [127:16]

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• 05:55 – Main topics overview and panel introductions
• 07:47 – Discussion begins on Spencer Pratt and LA mayoral race
• 12:41 – Josh Rayner: why Pratt legitimately can win
• 16:30 - 18:03 – Celebrity involvement and campaign “aura”
• 25:19 – Comparing current Republican messaging challenges to Rick Caruso’s past mayoral race
• 29:26 – California governor’s race, jungle primary mechanics
• 34:53 – Debate: Why conservatives should fight for California
• 46:11 – FBI crime statistics discussion and skepticism
• 69:26 – Cuba tensions, geopolitical analysis
• 75:55 – Breaking news: Tulsi Gabbard resigns from Trump administration
• 88:01 – Hooters’ rebranding and implications for American culture
• 104:18 – Social media’s effect on norms, oversharing, generational change
• 121:07 – Iran war outlook and discussion of “forever war” risk

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CONCLUSION

This episode provides an unfiltered but incisive analysis of California’s political landscape, punctuated by broader discussions on American cultural decline, the impacts of crime and homelessness, and the uncertain outcomes of both international and domestic political realignments. The panel combines first-hand experience, policy insight, and biting social commentary—including humorous and sometimes provocative detours—making it highly engaging for anyone wanting to understand the emerging dynamics in politics and culture.

Recommended for:

• Listeners interested in California politics and macro-level GOP strategy
• Those following homelessness, crime, and urban policy
• Viewers curious about shifts in American culture and media
• Fans of unscripted, freewheeling roundtable podcasts

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[Tate Brown]

Today, Spencer Pratt is surging in the Los Angeles mayoral election polls. Things are heating up in Los Angeles. You know, many have speculated that America can't truly be great unless Los Angeles is great. And it's true. It is the Golden State, probably the most beautiful landscape in the entire world. So it is true. If America's gonna be firing on all cylinders, we need California back. So very encouraging to see Spencer Pratt again surging in the polls. We're going to be getting into all of that and thankfully I've got two Californians in to discuss all this and so much more. Also, violent crime has been dropping rapidly all across the country. The FBI has put new data out indicating that things have never been safer in the United States, but many have pointed out anecdotally it doesn't feel so safe. So we're going to get into that. We have one big story. I think everyone probably knows, so there's no sense reporting it because everyone can feel it is. Food prices are soaring. I don't know if you've been to the grocery store anytime soon, but you need to take like a second mortgage out to get a T bone. I mean, it's unbelievable what's going on in this country. We might invade Cuba. That'll Be interesting. We'll talk about that. The fact that invading Cuba is the fourth story in the stack kind of tells you how things, how crazy things are getting in this country. And then finally, I would argue the most important story probably of the last month is Hooters is going family friendly. There's a lot going on there. We're getting into all of that. But before we do, we have a quick, quick shout out from our sponsor. And I think Carter is going to be one holding down the ad. Read here.

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[Josh Rayner]

What's up, man?

[Tate Brown]

Dude, what's going on? Who are you and what do you do?

[Josh Rayner]

Just hanging out, pretty much.

[Tate Brown]

Let's go.

[Josh Rayner]

LA native, born and raised. Um, you know, always been into the fitness thing. And that was kind of my origin. Origins of posting. And then of course, Covid brought that weirdly into the political sphere, and you can't avoid talking about it. So now we're just trying to figure out how to save. Save the country, save California, save Los Angeles.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the intersection between Maha and, like, hard politics became very evident, that there's direct crossover there.

[Josh Rayner]

Well, that was the weird thing, seeing this, like, all this blow up on the Internet, you know, during the COVID time, when this was just like my life for a decade plus.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

You know, I had been someone who just started working out when I was young with my dad, like, you know, and then with sports and training and always gotten, like, weird diet stuff. And I was, you know, drinking raw milk in college. You know, I got into the Paleo thing and all that. And I was, of course, a little hesitant about certain pharmaceutical interventions. And then all of a sudden it, like, became one of those things where it's like my. My lifestyle became a branded thing that all of a sudden everyone was talking about, which is kind of weird because then you kind of get like the hipster. Like, hey, man, this is like, this is my thing. But also, I'm glad it's spreading. You just kind of don't know where it goes once it leaves. Kind of the people who sort of actually created it or, like, were kind of born and bred in it, you know.

[Tate Brown]

Well, it's what they call in the industry upstream. You're very upstream from the discourse. We got the great Rebecca Zelo joining us today.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yes, hello. Thank you so much for having me.

[Tate Brown]

Absolutely, yeah. Who are you and what do you do?

[Rebecca Zelko]

I am the national correspondent for the Daily Caller, but I'm also a California native, so I'm from Northern California, though. So there might be some rivalry here today.

[Josh Rayner]

We're going to fight.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, we'll try to. We'll try to break up any brawl that's probably inevitable. We have the great Kris Carr joining us.

[Chris Carr]

Yes, thank you. I am a writer, journalist, editor, and former Californian who joined the mass exodus

[Tate Brown]

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[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah. Hey guys, I'm Olivia. I run the Tim Cast Discord server here and memberships. Generally speaking, I help build the community here. Thank you.

[Tate Brown]

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[Tate Brown]

I love it. Well, let's jump straight into the news here. This is from News Nation. Spencer Pratt shakes up LA mayor's race with hard stance on homelessness. I mean, if anybody knows anything about Spencer Pratt, you've probably seen him ranting about the homeless and he. That is long overdue. The fact that this has not been addressed by now, it's a full blown crisis. I'll just read here from News Nation. Spencer Pratt, best known for starring as a reality TV villain in MTV's the Hills 20 years ago, is an unlikely but promising candidate in the Los Angeles mayoral race. The 42 year old has never held public office and has no political organization making his long shot candidacy even longer. He's a registered Republican in Los Angeles, where no Republican has been elected mayor since Pratt was 10 years old. All of that makes it even more remarkable that Pratt is holding his own against the established opponents. Polls show him on the heels of incumbent Mayor Karen Bass, trailing by just 8 percentage points in an Emerson College poll and ahead of the left leaning third candidate Nithya Raman. Now, of course, Nithya Raman was leading in the polls for quite a long time. People were speculating she might be the West Coast Zoron. Well, Spencer Pratt had something to say about that. And Spencer Pratt has been stitching together one of the most impressive campaigns I think we've all seen in quite a long time. A lot of people say, you know, there's kind of shades of Donald Trump here, not so much on policy, but more so with the fact that he's just kind of relatable in a really strange way. You know, we're not used to relating to politicians in this country, but there's just something about Spencer Pratt. I mean, he's putting up pictures like this. He had a rally the other day in South Central Los Angeles. You know, this is a place where it'd be unthinkable that a Republican could ever penetrate in any meaningful way. And if you go and watch the photos and videos from the event, everyone was loving them. I mean, it's really unbelievable stuff. Obviously in the polls, as the article noted, there's many polls coming out over the last few weeks that indicate he's neck to neck with Karen Bass. This poll is obviously, you know, factoring in all the candidates because first in Los Angeles they'll have a jungle primary. So everyone runs in the first primary and then the top two candidates advance to a runoff election. And right now it looks like Spencer Pratt's going to head into a runoff election with Karen Bass with quite a lot of undecided voters. And those are probably Spencer Pratt's to lose because again, I think everyone in Los Angeles at this mind at this point either loves or hates Karen Bass. We had this article coming out, a few different outlets picked up on this. Trump is supporting Spencer Pratt in the LA's Mayo LA Mayor's race. But it may be a poison pill. Some have pointed out that part of the reason Spencer Pratt seems to be doing so well in this race is because his entire campaign is actually quite detached from national storylines. I mean, this is a guy where every single word that comes out of his mouth is about Los Angeles and that's why it's such a breath of fresh air. Many have feared that if Trump gets too involved here, it might spook LA voters when it comes time to cast a vote for Spencer Pratt. I think we should just get right into the meat and potatoes here. I gotta ask the two California natives, maybe Josh can really speak to this. Being a Los Angeles county native. Do you think Spencer Pratt has a chance?

[Josh Rayner]

Is a very, very real chance, you know, and that's the thing that we kind of have to get away from and people on the right just dooming all the time like we're never going to win. This is owned by this and that. Like he's clearly going to make it through the primary and he has a very real chance of winning out right now, especially because of all the votes that all the other Democrat or left leaning candidates are pulling from Bass. So you're kind of getting everyone who's against what's going on and been going on is going to lean more towards Spencer Pratt. Unless they're like hardcore leftists who would be going for like outright communist type thing. But it's very legitimate and that's why like, and whenever people are blackpooling, especially online, it's like we need to motivate everyone to vote who even has a slight inkling of because every single one of those votes matters.

[Olivia Dasavic]

So sorry, I have a question quick. I think there's this perception of la. I've never lived in California, I've never been to la. Is it as lefty. A lot of people there. Are they as lefty and crazy as people make them out to be or are there?

[Josh Rayner]

No, not at all. Not at all. And that's the, that's the thing about it. Because everyone assumes California, Los Angeles, it's the most left leaning place basically in the whole country. But Los Angeles county has more Republicans than any other county in the entire country.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Population.

[Josh Rayner]

Population. California has more Republicans than any other state. Right. So what you're talking about is yes, a blue dominated state and city, but with tons of unrepresented Republicans or white wingers. And not only that, but our liberals and Republicans are not like the rest of the country. You know, it's like our Republicans aren't like Bible Belt Republicans and our liberals like aren't like Portland liberals. Yeah, right. Everyone is kind of more towards the center. And it's funny, like you wouldn't think this at first, but the, the kind of vanity that people have from being in Los Angeles grounds them in reality because the actual like it's, it's your appearance is tied to actually like what you do as opposed to a stated belief or principle. So like you can virtue signal all you want. And of course they do. We've all seen the Oscars where they say this and that. But end of the day, like your meal ticket in Los Angeles is like your looks. And you can only go so far with the insane stuff before you just start to look like a freak.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And so weirdly enough, the people who live in LA LA Land are grounded, oddly enough, in reality somehow.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, that makes sense because I mean, you know, it's always been my analysis that the Northern California and Southern California liberals are quite different. Where it seems like the ones in Northern California are a bit more prone to activism, these sorts of things, where it seems more cultural in Southern California, I mean, can you attest to this at all?

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah, fact check. True. I would also say that like the article is. I thought it was really interesting that they had the line saying that his lack of political experience was going to be a disadvantage to him. Where like we're now, at least that might have been the case traditionally. But like we're kind of in the age where, yeah, like not coming from that traditional like you know, career politician background is actually a positive thing. Like populist politics is super, is definitely on the rise. They liken that one candidate to Zoran Mamdani. But if anything, Pratt has more of that sort of Mamdani strategy because he is only talking about Los Angeles. He's I think, I think he's made a smart decision to not necessarily tether himself to like, the national MAGA brand of politics because at the end of the day, he's trying to win in Los Angeles. And so I think as long as he kind of keeps that distance also, him being, you know, a reality TV star, that kind of makes him qualified in a unique way to run such a unique city where like, that is so such a huge part of the industry. And I feel like because he's a Republican, but also because he has this, this background in reality tv, it kind of gives people in the industry or who pay attention to that industry permission to vote for a Republican because he's like, from their world, which is, I think makes it a really interesting race to follow.

[Josh Rayner]

A lot of celebrities are kind of like breaking from the traditional, like, lefty slant with this a lot too. Yeah. I saw something where he was like, I guess like Leonardo DiCaprio and like Jamie Foxx are like, talking to him about, like, things that they would want to see done.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Which means that they either think he can win or secretly voting for him. And I think we're also going to see a lot of people who are hesitant to state their support for him until, like, you kind of get that threshold breaking point where then they feel safe to do that.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And so he's very, very smart with sort of like, yeah, I'm a wretched Republican, but like, I'm not running as a Republican, you know, and, and because you don't actually. It's not, it's not a partisan race in the first place. And you know, he's, he's like mag. Whatever. It's like, it's just not my. Not my problem. I'm focused on la.

[Rebecca Zelko]

He's like super oral too. Like, I think that his. Again, just to talk about, like, the fact that he has so much experience on tv, that translates super well in politics. Like, his TV ads are so effective. They're really entertaining and memorable. Whereas, like, pretty much any other, like, chud that does that runs for paw fis is like doing the. The most scripted, you know, TV ad. And it's just like voters for the most part can see right through it and it just doesn't sit right with them. But when you see Spencer Pratt being like, yep, they burned my house down too.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Super effective.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Republicans have a huge aura problem. It's been a huge.

[Rebecca Zelko]

And it's like legit deficit.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And it's actually like a legit thing in politics. And so Spencer Pratt. This is why people say reminds of Trump. I'm like, I don't think he reminds people of Trump in any way, except for the fact that he actually has like, a bit of like, gravitas. Like, he actually.

[Rebecca Zelko]

No filter, I think.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Like, you feel like when he was on that debate stage that you were in on the joke with him. Like, he, he sees how crazy this all is and then you and the audience are like, yeah, this is crazy. And then he breaks the fourth wall.

[Josh Rayner]

So that's like the screen presence thing that him and Trump have. And also like what you're saying, familiarity with being on camera. Because, you know, people think of Trump as they talk about him being a billionaire businessman, but it's like, also like, remember the Apprentice? Like, he's a reality show guy. And so, you know, Trump, you know, Trump always talks about, like, central casting. Like, he understands perception of things. And so he's like, Trump's aware of where the camera is.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And even if, even if it's not like, super conscious. Spencer spent how much of his time of his life on camera? And eventually you just become used to it. You understand kind of how to present yourself in such a way. And it doesn't mean that it's fake. It's actually, in a sense, the most real thing ever because he's cutting through the lens and going actually right to the person. Cause you know, when you're saying when the traditional Republicans do their ads, it's like, I'm Mr. Blah, blah, blah. And it's like, it's like, cool, man shoulder.

[Rebecca Zelko]

He's got a golden retriever.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, everyone's totally checked out. This feels like kind of fake and really performative and. And on Spencer Pratt is just like, dude, they burned my house down.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Literally. You know, all this stuff, you want to argue about politics, it's like, we're not even talking about all this.

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[Josh Rayner]

You're in like the weird granular, crazy like really, really like policy type stuff outside of basic reality crime, homeless, burning down. Can we just like address the actual, just tangible everything to be fixed and, and function to have a normal society before we ever have any of these other conversations?

[Olivia Dasavic]

You think that's turned people off, like breaking that? Right? So what we've seen is like, hi, I'm so and so running for office in your district. And he's not doing that. You think that turns people off? Because it's almost like they don't. It's like a certainly not overdrive.

[Josh Rayner]

Not in LA

[Carter Banks]

to me that you said was it Leonardo DiCaprio is like asking him questions. Like, he's famously not somebody who I would assume would vote for Spencer Pratt because he's an LA guy.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And there's two things going on here is like one, when you're running in a city, the average population is going to be a lot lower actually than if you're running in a primary and a random district because again, usually those are going to be all elderly voters. So again, coming across as like kind of a safe square. Again, that's going to play to an elderly voter base who's going to get you through a primary for. Spencer Pratt's trying to win a general election in a city. So the average voting age in these elections are going to be younger.

[Rebecca Zelko]

So.

[Tate Brown]

So he's kind of have to have a little extra edge to him. And yeah, to your point, I mean, he was like, you can tell the consultants have not got to him because he was in that debate. And the, you know, Zoron clone or whatever her name is was like, oh, you know, him and Karen Bass are teaming up because they want to run against me. And he's like, what are you talking about? I don't want to run against her. She's an incumbent with like all the unions back here. Why would I want to run? And I was listening. I was like, thank you. That's like the obvious answer. You know, every Republican get up and be like, I don't care who I run against, I'm going to beat him and I'm going to take it. And it's like he's like, no, I don't want to run against Karen.

[Rebecca Zelko]

When he ran for president the first time around, and he was talking about special interests on stage, and the whole audience was like, thank you for pointing out. Because he is able to actually, like, I don't understand the argument that, like, he is the super. Like, he's this billionaire, really successful, but, like, he's not pretending to not be that. Like, he's like, yep, I am. But, like, I'm still going to do X, Y, and Z. I kind of get the same vibe from Spencer Pratt. He's not pretending to be, like, a traditional politician or, you know, he's not selling you something that he's not, you

[Olivia Dasavic]

know, actually more authentic than any other.

[Josh Rayner]

Well, he's just leaning into his own Persona. He's actually doing such a great job of going, I was the villain. Right. And, you know, part of the villain was like, I was. Yeah, I know who I am. And part of, like, his villain angle, you know, it's kind of like calling everyone else's bullshit.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Josh Rayner]

So he's like, I'm playing the villain, the TV villain, which is like, the real life good guy.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Because I'm brave enough to fight through these people who present themselves as the good people, but they're the villains. They're the one causing all this terrible destruction. And that's like, just like Trump. He's owning who he is. You know, it's the last thing. When someone accuses you of something, the last thing you do worst thing is get, like, super, super defensive. So you. You have to find out how to either, like, what do they say? Like, agree and amplify.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Right. So he's just like, yeah, hell, yeah. And. And I'm going to get done because of that. And. And that's, like, perfect. Absolutely.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. He's really good, like, parrying those. Yeah. Like, very canned attack lines. Like, it was so predictable when Nithya or whatever her name is got up and was like, he's a mag Republican. He just went, oh. Because it's, like, not even worth responding. Because the audience knows, like, the audience aren't idiots, necessarily. But something was interesting. You pointed out. Carter pointed it out with a lot of these celebrities that are probably eager to get behind him and they're going to, like, secretly support him, but they're not quite ready to go vocal. I think part of it is because of the way the press has been handling his campaign. This is in the Los Angeles Times. They say Spencer Pratt's campaign spent more than $15,000 at pricey hotel Bel Air. So what's happening here is a lot of these Guys are waiting for that permission piece to come out from the mainstream media. The California outlets, they're waiting for a major outlet to come out and say, actually, it's okay to vote for Spencer Pratt. Because I think they still are very conscious. You know, everyone says all the mainstream media is irrelevant. For a lot of these people, they actually kind of wait for marching orders from institutions like the LA Times. And the fact that the LA Times is the knives out for Spencer Pratt really says a lot about, well, a Karen Bass's influence in the state. But the fact that just because he has an R next to his name, he's completely unpalatable to, like, you know, the mainstream media institutions. So it's going to be kind of interesting to see what comes first. Will the permission piece from the LA Times come first, or will it be a few celebrities just get up and say, you know what? Screw it, I'm voting for Spencer Pratt.

[Josh Rayner]

It's crazy that they're coming after him for staying in a hotel when his fucking house burned down. It's like, he wouldn't have to stay in a hotel if you guys did your. You, your job.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And he had a house.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

No. So when they're trying to do. Oh, like, but do you really live in the trailer? It's like, this is my address. My. The house is gone. Right, Right. I'm here, I'm there, I'm there because I don't have a house anymore. And that's just like, again, it cuts through everything. And that's why. It's like he has like a perfect origin story.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Because it's like he never would have if. If everything had been normal. Like the fire didn't happen. But everything else in California was like, who would we have, you know, because. Because we had. We had Rick Caruso 4 years ago who ran like a. I mean, did anyone know about his campaign? Los Angeles. Right. Like, one of. One of the top two most important cities in the whole country that anyone, anywhere nationwide know anything about this campaign.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Josh Rayner]

He was just like, again, kind of a stuffy old rich business guy, real estate developer and lifelong Republican. Switch to Democrats so people would feel comfortable voting him. Like, my. Some of my super liberal, like, family members were like, well, he sounds reasonable and this, that. And so they vote for him only because he has a D next to his name, though. If it was an R, they wouldn't.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Josh Rayner]

And he got like 45, 46% of the vote. People are happy to vote for function if they don't have to, like, feel Bad about it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. If you're constantly having to justify your vote, then you're going to struggle. Well.

[Josh Rayner]

So this is like, the perfect thing about Pratt, though, is, like, Caruso does, like, the cuck thing, where it's like, I put a D next to my name and now people vote for me. And again, Spratt's just like, okay, yeah, make me the villain. Whatever. I'm gonna fix it, though. And. And you kind of. You can't beat that. Kind of, like, bravado.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rebecca Zelko]

No, and it definitely, like, I think that there is always going to be a number of voters who just go with, like, name id. Like, Karen Bass has the recognition to be like, okay, certain amount of people are definitely going to spend. Support her. She's been there for so long. And, like, you know, people just kind of check the box. There's a lot of lazy voters, just.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, yeah.

[Rebecca Zelko]

To be honest, not everyone is most of them politically involved. That being said, I do think that there are a lot of voters who are looking at the R next to Spencer Pratt's name and, you know, but then they listen to everything else that he says, and they're like, this guy makes. He makes a lot of sense, but he's also, like, representing. You know what I think a lot of people in Los Angeles are feeling, and it almost is kind of disqualifying at this point because of all of the dysfunction that has happened, not just in la, but as I'm sure, you know, like throughout all of California. To have already been in office and like, to already have political experience, it's kind of disqualifying because it's like, you've already overseed the disaster for so long. Why would we reelect you?

[Josh Rayner]

That's their biggest criticism is experience. And his perfect comeback is, what do

[Olivia Dasavic]

you have to look at?

[Josh Rayner]

Karen Bass Experience. She experienced burned down her city.

[Rebecca Zelko]

She experienced not being in the city while it was burning down and then lying about it during a national debate and then getting brutally fact checked by, like, stuff. Cnn, of all people.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

I mean, I don't really want a politician with experience. If that's their experience, that's their experience.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And to your point, I mean, in kind of. One last point here is. I mean, that's Karen Bass's weakness, actually, is the fact that all those undecided voters, they all know who she is. That means that they're not willing to support her. I mean, you know, she could maybe pick off 10% of them. But everyone in Los Angeles has an opinion on Karen Bass, there's no one sitting around like, I don't know, I'm on the fence about her. It's like everyone either loves her because they're retarded or they hate her because they have eyeballs. So with that, I want to get to this next story. We're going to stay on the California topic here. This is from K. Qed, like local paper obviously out of California. Hilton and Becerra lead Democrats for final final poll for California Governor and California the same way L. A they have a jungle primary. And what's funny is because, you know, initially these jungle primaries were set up in these deep blue states to keep Republicans out of the races. They wanted it to be runoffs between two Democrats. What they didn't factor in was that everyone would eventually start to hate them. And what they additionally didn't factor in is if a bunch of Democrats ran and then the Republican vote consolidated around one candidate, you would end up with a Republican on the ticket. Now as it stands right now, Xavier Becerra has taken the lead and polling most of it's cause Swalwell dropped out and he absorbed a lot of those potential voters. So for a while, you know what was happening with Steve Hilton, Republican, and then Chad Bianco, another Republican, were leading the polls. And so people were like, could the runoff end up being two Californians? Now that's probably not going to happen. But look, a lot of the vote is consolidating around Steve Hilton, where we could end up going to a runoff between Vacara and Steve Hilton. Steve Hilton, a lot of people probably remember him. He was on Fox News for a long time. He's British, he actually was in David Cameron's government over in the UK about 15 years ago. But he's another one of these guys where he's got, he's media trained, he's not really nearly as kind of oral, so to speak, as Spencer Pratt, but he's still kind of got a little bit of that it factor, just a little bit. And he's obviously having to, you know, position himself in regards to national issues a bit more because he's running for governor of California. But the fact that he's holding his own in these polls, I mean it kind of goes back to the point. I mean, California's still got some fight left in that.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, I mean that's like, that's what we're seeing is that people have had enough at some point. So the Republicans are a little more invigorated themselves, but a lot of Democrats are kind of defecting in some way. And so what's kind of crazy, though, is, is Newsom was coming out and saying that, you know, if it came down to Republicans, it would be a sign of something, you know, illegitimate, that he would have to intervene or something, which is, of course, you know, hilarious, because we all know where the illegitimacy comes from. But he's just admitting kind of, like, how fraudulent and sneaky the Democrats are. But, no, this is actually. This is a very exciting time to be a Californian, being from Los Angeles. Like, we actually have real possibility for anything. And that should be more exciting than for. For us as Californians, more than anything else, that, like, there's a future here. We don't need to abandon our home.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah, there's a lot of doom and gloom right now in the gop, I feel like, especially when it comes to national politics. And so it's a weird time to look at California and to, like, feel reinvigorated about the state and the trajectory of the Republican Party. No, I mean, Steve Hilton, he definitely. His experience in tv, like, definitely helps, especially when you're up against, like, literally a bunch of nerds. It's, like, literally, you know, it's. It's. Whatever. I was kind of confused why a guy with a British accent was, like, running for office in California has a

[Tate Brown]

precedent of Republican governors with weird accents being.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah. And I'm, like, kind of. I mean, it's definitely not the worst thing about California, but it's is. It kind of stops me my tracks every time. But, like, when we're talking about the aura deficit in the gop, why are we all, like, going for Steve Hilton when you have, literally, Chad Bianco. His name's Chad.

[Olivia Dasavic]

True.

[Rebecca Zelko]

He's like a sheriff. He's like.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I mean, he's a little rough around the edges, but, like, I don't know. I kind of prefer that. I think it's great.

[Josh Rayner]

No, I mean, I like, esthetically, you know, it's like he's, like, more obviously, like, Californian because he's not British.

[Tate Brown]

Right, right.

[Josh Rayner]

You know, that's because he's from there, for sure. But, you know, like, all. Again, this is like, I get so fed up with people who, like, you want to be so nitpicky with politics. It's like, dude, what can we actually do? Like, who can win? I. My full support is whoever. Who can win. Right. So if Hilton's in the lead, he's had my full support. If Bianca's in the lead, he has My full support. Right.

[Carter Banks]

I'm.

[Josh Rayner]

Because Hilton's in the. I'm. I'm voting for Hilton in the primary because. Just because he's winning. Right. Like, it really makes no difference to me. I just, like, we need something back. But you're right. Like, Chad Bianco. It's better.

[Rebecca Zelko]

You gotta let him do something. Yeah. Reminds me of, like, Curtis Lee. I'm like, give him, like, a cool job. Just let him do something. Like, sure. Morale Booth.

[Josh Rayner]

But you know what's funny is when people were like. Early on, when people were like, Steve Hilton. Steve Hilton. I was like, he's. He's, like, too bald and too British.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Right. And. But so he grew a beard. He didn't used to have a beard that, like, that was an incredible aesthetic choice to give himself a little bit more gruff, especially going up against a chad.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Josh Rayner]

You know, so it's really, really helping him. And it is kind of funny how much those little things make a difference. You know, people always talk about, like, the. The Nixon jfk, when Nixon was a little unshaven and sure. Lost in the thing. These, like, little things matter. But I just. I just want California back. And so, you know, I would love. If it's the two of them, I wouldn't even care. You know, at that point, we could get into the conversation. But this goes to. What you're talking to about the rest of the GOP is just, like, falling apart because we're actually in power in some regard now. And when that happens, everyone starts attacking each other. And, you know, when we're losing, it's when we're great because everyone's like, well, just support whoever's on our side versus the other side.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And that's a problem that, like, you know, I think too many people on the right, they're just dedicated to being losers.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

So they want to nitpick stuff. They want to just, like, attack our own side and fight over, like, who actually gets to be in control of the thing. When it's like, oh, great, now the Democrats are just being left, like, uncriticized all this time, and they basically just have to do nothing but wait.

[Tate Brown]

Well, because it's. It's existential for California Republicans or California conservatives because, like, you know, this is the. I made this point the other day about how Roe v. Wade getting overturned was the worst thing that ever happened to the pro life lobby because now they lost their one carrot on a stick that they could use for fundraising, and now they're all pissed off at

[Rebecca Zelko]

Trump and Abortions are up.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, and abortions are up. But it's like, you know, that was their one thing, and then now it's gone. It's like, well, what do we send in our newsletter now? Like, hey, we need to ban abortion. And Wisconsin constantly. No one cares around. Yeah. And it's kind of the same thing with Republicans, where it's like, once we've won, that's the worst thing to happen to the podcasters, the conservative commentary. So what do we complain about now? Like, conservative commentaries turn into sports radio, where you have people calling in. They're like, the coach needs to be fired, or like, you know, he should have been bench. Why is. Why is Vance going to Pakistan? Like, you know, people get started to get really. And there's a lot to criticize about the Trump administration. Like, I'm not saying, you know, perfection. We shouldn't aspire for perfection. I'm just saying, to your point, when we're backed into a corner, that's when you almost see excellence. Like Trump when he was running, part of the magic was because everyone thought it was over. Like, if you asked a Republican in 2014, if you asked anyone Right. Of Senator, they're like, yeah, it's gonna be President Hillary, and then we're all gonna go to gulags in 10 years. And then two years later, Trump comes along and everyone's like, all right, yeah, let's do it. Why not? Like, if we're gonna go out, let's go out, and let's go hard. And that's kind of the same thing we're seeing with California, where it's like, once again, Republicans feel like they're back into a corner somewhat. They're demoralized in large part. And then also some hope comes along, and. And that just invigorates everyone. And so, like, that's also why I want to get to the point, because a lot of people in the audience are watching, are very California critical, and they have a lot of ammo. Why should Republicans even aspire to take back California if it's worth it.

[Rebecca Zelko]

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But it used to be cool.

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[Tate Brown]

This is the point I want to get to, is like, this has kind of been the problem. This temperament and conservatism is to, like, not retake institutions, is build parallel institutions. So they're like, well, we lost California, so let's build Texas to be the next California. And it's like, that's. I respect it. It's coming from a good place. But I think Elon Musk demonstrated the importance of retaking an institution because, again, how many Twitter clones were there? Yeah. Like, Parlor Gab, even Truth Social. And they all just, like, sucked. And it's like, he comes along, he's just like, I'm just gonna take it back. I'm just gonna buy it and, like, take it back. And I think that should demonstrate to conservatives that, like, you can't build another California. And California, again, whether people like it or not, GDP wise, most important state in the country, you kind of just gotta take it back.

[Josh Rayner]

Well, this is like, you know, what are the. What are the words liberal and conservative mean? Like, our liberals. Liberal by definition of the word. You know, and it's why, like, I could. Because to be a conservative means you're, like. You're playing defense in, like, democracy, which means you're just. You can never gain ground. You can only lose it. So, like, I. Conservatives don't want to win. And that's why Trump's like, I will show you people how to win.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Because you have to actually want to win, and then you have to try to win to ever win. And that's so, like, whatever the Republican Party was for a long time, like, Trump has especially shown over this, this current cycle that, like, everyone that he endorses wins. Like, this is Trump's party, and if you actually want to win anything, you have to be on the Trump train. Otherwise you're just going to lose. Like, forget, once Trump's gone, whatever's left. The Democrats actually want to win. And this is. Whatever you think of him. This is the. But Curtis Yarvin's like, best thought ever, which is that Republicans like alcohol the way a wine snob likes alcohol, and Democrats like alcohol the way an alcoholic likes alcohol.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Who's going to get drunk? Yeah, we're trying to get drunker. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And Trump's like. And Trump. And I think this is like, what California Republicans also kind of the same feeling is like, okay, a big tent that's full of just different types of people that just lose everything is just going to create a big tent of losers, where Trump's like, I'm just going to eviscerate it all and I'm going to create one path forward where we actually win. And you can either join or you don't, but we're not going to leave any room on the margins necessarily. And it's like, you kind of have to admire that because, again, the big tent Republicans did win elections. The Republicans won the majority of elections over the last 60 years. But everything got worse because, again, you just formed a big tent full of coalitions, full of ideologies that consistently lose everything. And then when you put them all in the same room, there's like, how do we lose? But, like, in a really beautiful way.

[Olivia Dasavic]

So I'm curious. Yeah, I'm curious because you left California. You said Covid. Right. Do you have hope for California?

[Chris Carr]

Oh, no. Needless to say, I disagree with pretty much all of those.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Okay.

[Chris Carr]

Honestly, there's so much hope and optimism in this room. I find it bone chilling. I understand it. I love California. It's the most, bar none, the most beautiful state in the country. It's gone. Spencer Pratt's chances of winning, 0. 0. He is not going to win. And, you know, I mean, I think that, at least from the perspective of liberal voters in la, I think they find him generally kind of piggish and off putting. And I don't Know, I don't understand this authenticity you guys are sensing. I mean his whole campaign seems pretty manicured. And his leaning into the AI videos. Don't forget L A entertainment industry was like 12, 12.5% of L A. They are not happy with AI I

[Josh Rayner]

have to push back on this because none of those are his campaign ads. His campaign is fully shot on red cameras. Like I know his video guy. And every time all these news people are like always doing all this AI stuff. Those are all fan made.

[Chris Carr]

But those are the viral ones. Those are the ones. No, no, no.

[Josh Rayner]

His most viral ones are not. No, no, the Bel Air one. The Bel Air one. That one's super viral. You know which one was? I thought his single best one was Black Hole Sun. I think it was like the Norah Jones version or something. Going down this like quiet little, like nice little street with one homeless tent at the end. And how that thing makes every single mother in the whole neighborhood like feel unsafe. They are doing. I, I like actual like traditional like filmmaking ads better than anything that we've ever seen. That those are like the one with him, the reason why all that drama with him in the trailer. But you don't really live there because that was the one that blew up. That was the one that went the most viral. These other ones are also, yes, they're going viral, but those are all. That's how much like people.

[Rebecca Zelko]

It's just because he has a lot of traction.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, he has traction. People, people are fans of his and so they're trying to make more content.

[Rebecca Zelko]

No one's making Karen Bass.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, no one's making camera.

[Chris Carr]

They don't have.

[Josh Rayner]

I've seen a Nithya Ramen ad and you could tell they were like, let's do the mom Donnie thing. But like so bad. I'm sure it's so bad. And look like, I, I, I, I get what you're saying. I totally understand what you're saying. But the thing is, is that all these people in a like I had a tweet that I gave like a dozen stories of like terrible interact or situations I had with homeless people. You know, I had something where like a girl OD'd and I had to call the police and all this kind of stuff. Like I got pushed into oncoming traffic by a homeless person. Fires, you know, needles, human shit, all this just insane stuff. Murders everything. And it's like a very, very small amount of my stories that I put in that tweet and I got quote tweeted with people putting Their own series of stories. People have had enough and it doesn't mean that everyone is going to jump on board. But the. All this stuff online, which is like really, really great, at some point people realize that I don't feel safe in my neighborhood anymore. And they either have that survival instinct or they don't. But all this other stuff, and this is why he's so good about just getting to the actual reality of it all, that when you kind of get away from the playing the politics game and you just see what's right in front of you, that is how you convince people.

[Rebecca Zelko]

He's talking about. I'm sorry, interrupt you.

[Chris Carr]

Oh, please, please.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Making a more of like an existential case to voters where he was talking like, you saw Karen Bass and this other girl, I keep forgetting her name,

[Josh Rayner]

but they're just think of like instant ramen. Ramen.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, it's easy. Should lean into that in campaign. Honestly, that was.

[Tate Brown]

That seems not authentic.

[Rebecca Zelko]

But they're both talking about like which committees they've been on or like what, you know, you know, what task forces that they've introduced. And Spencer Pratt correctly said, like, well, what task force or what, you know, how much money can you dump on this issue? Let's just go under to an underpass, talk to a homeless person, try to give them money and you'll get stabbed in the neck. It's like that actually is the message that sticks to voters. Yes, but far more effective.

[Chris Carr]

But no amount of information is going to help low information people vote for their own interests. I mean, you're talking about the aesthetics of his ad. And you know, at some level there's an aesthetic sensibility in la, especially people in the entertainment industry, but that's not gonna outweigh the propaganda. And these people have been heavily propagandized for a very long time. So I just, I just, I don't

[Rebecca Zelko]

have this Pollyanna vision before you step outside your house and like a homeless man screams at you and like threatens you within that.

[Chris Carr]

I understand that. And you spoke to that too. The minute you go in the voting booth, these people that, that those experiences are going to get relegated to the back burner and they're going to pull the lever for the Democrat.

[Josh Rayner]

Sometimes, sometimes, I don't know, like, look, that people do get mugged by reality.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Like people do have the Drew Pavlo arc where you're super, super liberal and then, and then you get mugged and then you're like, ah, fuck, now these people should be in jail actually. And so, yes, I Like, we would not be in this situation if. If every single person had, like, a functioning sense of reality and just reacted reasonably. But. But still, people do. At a certain point. People have their breaking points. The question is, have we gotten there yet? Are there enough of those people that,

[Rebecca Zelko]

like, literally having, you know, the Palisades burned to the ground is a pretty, you know, that's a reality check for a lot of those voters.

[Chris Carr]

One would hope. One would hope. But you were talking about Roe v. Wade. I think we got a mini situation here with Spencer Pratt with going hard on homelessness. That's an industry in California, and they cannot let that industry be decimated. Like, that is going. They're going to hang on to that no matter what.

[Josh Rayner]

There's going to be a lot. There's a lot of money being put in to make sure he doesn't win. Because these people, you know, homelessness, industrial complex.

[Chris Carr]

Exactly.

[Josh Rayner]

The real estate developers, all of the people running these, like, nonprofits, and they. Someone who works for Karen Bass just got arrested for giving drugs or like, selling drugs to, like, homeless people and something like that. Right. So they have all these things in place. You're right. The question is, is how many people are actually on the payroll of that versus the actual population. So then how many people are going to be affected by the propaganda put out by the people on the payroll? Right. So it's just going to be a game of. Of who's can convince who. And, you know, and again, but like, all that aside, the reality has to come into play because so much of politics is kind of like sort of intangible, you know, like all these kind of things. It's like, oh, yeah, this policy that Paul, you know, and it's kind of. It's over there. It's a little whatever right in your face. Like, I have. I came home one time when I lived in Venice, and I have a parking spot, like, right in front of my garage door. A homeless person had dragged a mattress and was sleeping in my parking spot, Right? So, like, if I was a mom or like a woman or something, I would. I don't know what I would do because how do. The front door. The door to my house was also right next to the driveway. Would I have felt safe parking my car on the street and walking in? No. What I did was I. I poked the guy with my foot and I was like, hey, man, you got to get out of here. And he's like, oh, dude. I just. I dragged the mattress. Like, I don't care, man. You gotta get out of here. And I like, I even like, kind of like pulled it and got it out of the way and it was disgusting. But it's like, I would not have done that if I was a woman, I'm sure. But. And I shouldn't have to deal with that. And it's like, if someone has that, slap them in the face at some point and be like, I can't go to my own house, you know, and there are people, there would not be liberals if there weren't people would be like, that's okay, he probably needed it. You know, like, that exists, that exists. But at some point, at some point, those things, they take a toll on people. So.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I think we should go kind of on that note to this next story from the New York Post. FBI announces U.S. violent crime rate plummeted by fastest rate in nearly 90 years. Quote, changes are working. Violent crime fell across the United States in 2025 at rates not seen in close to a century. Findings from the FBI showed murder and non negligent manslaughter plummeted by more than 18% nationwide last year, while aggravated assaults dropped by more than 7%, according to a preliminary report on national 2025 crime rates. Violent crime rates on the whole dipped by about 9.3 last year, the data shows. And they put some graphics up here just kind of showing again this drop nationwide in violent crime. Now, I think there's two things going on here. One to steel man and sort of support the Trump administration here is they have created an atmosphere nationwide of accountability, I think it'll be fair to say. I think even, maybe even Trump critics would maybe concede that, yes, it does feel like there's a new sheriff in town. We have seen that they're willing to pull the rug out with federal funding whenever they feel like you're not working in conjunction with the Trump administration's agenda. So I think a lot of these states, a lot of these police departments are now playing ball. I was talking yesterday on my show with Super Trucker who has been exposing a lot of the, you know, H1B fraud or just, you know, illegal immigrant scamming going on in trucking. Fantastic interview. It's up on the Tate Brown Timcast Channel. You should go take a look. And he was talking about how California, funny enough, California at the beginning of the year eventually conceded and they, and they started changing a lot of the ways that they issue CDLs and these sorts of things. So a lot of these blue states are having to play ball. The Trump administration and that is probably having an impact on violent crime. I mean, this is certainly what the FBI is touting. But one thing I want to say in addition to that is we have seen violent crime going down since COVID We obviously saw a big peak during COVID but nationwide over the last 30, 40 years, violent crime has been going down. Scott Greer has been making this point on Twitter. He's catching a lot of flack for it, but he's like, look, whether we like it or not, the data doesn't lie. The 70s and 80s were an exceptionally violent time in our country's history. And so a lot of this is just coming back down from that peak. So while, yes, we should give the Trump administration credit for sort of creating this environment, this culture, et cetera, et cetera, it must be noted that it seems like Americans are just getting less violent. I mean, that would kind of be the takeaway. I'm curious why you guys think that that might be. What contributing factors you think it'd be. Because I don't sense that this is necessarily blue states and blue cities. Police departments firing on all cylinders. If anything that would make it get. It should have been getting worse with the DA's. I mean, it's like total wild west in some of these cities. But we are seeing nationwide crime rates still continue to decline.

[Josh Rayner]

Well, I mean, you know, I think obviously there is a very real decline. And then there's the question of especially, like, when Trump wasn't in office or, like, how accurate are these stats? We know a lot of, like, local departments don't track things the appropriate way. But I think a big aspect of it, and maybe people might not feel that things are as safe as they are, is not the total numbers, but where they are. Sure, Right. So we used to have a more. I mean, we had a quite literally segregated, segregated society, but then we had

[Tate Brown]

a more sort of class stratified.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, yeah. And so it was harder to get people more stay to the neighborhoods. And so maybe it's a thing where if you actually break up the really violent populations from their secluded neighborhoods and kind of spread them out, the normal people actually get faced with it more, but the total numbers go down.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I mean, if you talk to New Yorkers, they'll say, like, you know, back in the day, you know, certain neighborhoods would be total war zones. And then you would go. A few people always say, oh, New York City, the whole city changes based off what block you're in. You know, like, you go to one block and you feel like you're in China and then one block, like you're in Italy. And the same thing kind of corresponded to crime where one block would be exceptionally dangerous. And then you go a block away and you're like an elite society where when you visit New York City now, you kind of get a fairly homogenous experience throughout the city. I mean, there's still our neighborhoods like, you know, Canarsie that are exceptionally violent. But generally, like no matter where you are in Manhattan, for example, maybe like barring East Harlem, there is this kind of general level of danger that you feel at all times, whether you're in, you know, Gramercy park or if you're on the Upper west side or that sort of thing. So I think that's correct. Is that crime? Yes. It used to be higher, but I think it was also more concentrated where now you feel like you could be a victim of violent crime even if you're in Beverly Hills or even if you're on, you know, the Upper east side of New York.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah. I mean, just because it's not as high as it used to be doesn't mean that it's still not like alarming or something that people encounter regularly, whether you're in California or in D.C. i remember when I was in college, this was post Covid. Someone broke into my car and stole $20 out of my car. So that was great.

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[Rebecca Zelko]

a bunch of other cars in the neighborhood and stole some families, like, baby, like, baby clothes and things like that. Like, they'll steal the most random stuff. It's like, okay, the crime rate, you know, might be lower, I guess, but, like, I'm still getting on the metro and, like, looking around and hoping that someone doesn't steal my, like, Canada goose puffer, like that one video or, you know, whatever, or stab me in the neck. And that's still definitely a fear that people encounter regularly. Like, can't go to Chipotle without getting hit in the head with the wooden chair, apparently. But it's like, oh, no. But crime is down. It's like, sure. But it's still totally a problem. And obviously it's a positive development if that's the case. There are definitely questions about the accuracy of crime reporting in D.C. specifically. But, you know, it's. It's still a real thing that people deal with constantly because there was this.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, this is wreg. This is the local news in Memphis. I'm a Memphis native, so I called. Can speak to this directly. You know, the mayor is going around saying, well, you know, Overall crimes dropped 41% over the last two years. And it's because I'm such an awesome mayor. That's why I go to Memphis all the time. It does not feel safer than it did 10 years ago. It feels far more dangerous, actually. Memphis has always been an exceptionally dangerous city. Again, if you can read the Wikipedia demographics section, I think you can infer why that may be the case. But Memphis does not feel safer. And just because he's saying crime rates have dropped 41%, I'm still hearing, you know, from my friends that still live in Memphis, obviously, I now live in the D.C. area that, no, they're still getting their cars broken into all the time. My friends that are women are like, no, I'm not jogging. We had actually a pretty horrific jogger crime. Just indiscriminate. Attacked a white lady that was Jogging in Memphis. And that's changed the culture. Just that one crime was so violent, so shocking that every woman, every white woman in Memphis specifically just carries himself a bit differently and so saying, oh, crimes dropped 41. They need to actually feel like it's safer. That's, that's the key difference here is like people don't respond to data. As we know we discussed.

[Josh Rayner]

Everyone's familiar with the expression, what you lying with statistics, right?

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah, statistics are extremely deceptive. Like if you go from like a thousand murders one year to 500 murders, it's like, yeah, that's quite the reduction. But like you're still dealing with 500. That's still more than per day. Like. Yeah, not.

[Josh Rayner]

And so like kind of going back to the thing where I was saying like, you know, area stuff. Right. Like when I was on with you a few days ago, you know, talking about how like Beverly Hills now has like drive by shootings. Like, okay, so if all of LA has gotten safer on the whole. But like now Beverly Hills deals with like violent crime. You know, it's like, so, oh, then the people might go, oh, you know, rich people. It's like it's about time that you deal with, you know, it's like, okay, sure. But it's like that means that there's nowhere to get away from anything. Right. Like if you don't like the way something is, like, like my hometown is definitely worse off than it was when I was little.

[Tate Brown]

Sure.

[Josh Rayner]

There's, there's, there's crime, there's home. Even though, like it's still relatively like pretty darn great. Like there's a little bit and used to be none.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah, it's the indiscriminate crime, I think.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. Because, because it's like, look, if you

[Rebecca Zelko]

can't, you can't be.

[Josh Rayner]

If you're, if you're a normal person, you can't.

[Rebecca Zelko]

All the way in a nice neighborhood.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, you can't. There's nowhere again, like it's always. And this is why going back to Pratt, like if you're a mother, it's always like the mother's thing with children. Like you can't do your normal thing where you would be safe. It's like, look, we're not going into the bat. Like when I was a kid, you know, there was of course like everything like, like never go to Compton. Right. Like Compton was the hood. All this. Compton's Mexican now. Like it's all Hispanic. Right. So they, they kind of like gentrified it, if that word still applies if you're not white. I don't know. But so then like. So, like, where did those black people go? There. They spread out. Right, right. And so if you have like a. A higher contingency of, of crime from a certain population in that city now, they're just like, spread out.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

It's like instead of like, you know, this neighborhood being twice as violent as this neighborhood, now they're both equally as violent.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And. And this actually, like, again, I mean, not. I know I'm like, from California. Not everything is about California, but this is the thing too, where it's like, you can't live a life, set things up where you can just run away from. And when people are talking about why she worried about California, our problems become your problems. And then like the liberals that you guys hate from California, they're going to move to your town and they're going to do the same.

[Rebecca Zelko]

They're going to vote for the same thing.

[Josh Rayner]

They're going to do the same thing. And, and again, the thing is though, it's like this isn't like, this doesn't really come from California. I feel like not enough people talk about, like Prop 187 in 1988. 1994. Yeah. Which was a vote to prohibit illegals from accessing welfare and services. And, and California voted to prohibit that. And then, you know, a judge overturned it. Like Jimmy Carter appointed. Yeah, something like that. Right. So it's like our. We are just kind of like the stage for what else is going on.

[Tate Brown]

Absolutely.

[Josh Rayner]

In the whole country.

[Tate Brown]

We saw it. I mean, you had the proposition in the late aughts where they said, no, we don't want gay marriage.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. 2008, we voted.

[Tate Brown]

Five years later, the court's like, actually, we don't care. We're gonna ram it down everyone's throat.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I'm from metro Detroit, so I grew up when Detroit was kind of near its worst. And they're saying it's dropped now by 19% violent crime. It doesn't mean that when I go to Detroit, I don't want my dad, my husband, or anybody there with me. I wouldn't just, like, walk around. We got married in Detroit and I mean, it was a great, great wedding, beautiful wedding. But we weren't in, like, the crime area of Detroit.

[Tate Brown]

Terrified, I went and I was driving around, I was like, what is. Are they okay? Do I need to give him money?

[Olivia Dasavic]

It was at a museum, so.

[Josh Rayner]

It was beautiful.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Beautiful. It was.

[Tate Brown]

But you're surrounded by just nothing.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah. It was crazy. And because it's right off, like, the main strip, but it's far enough back. You're like, where am I? So terrified. You're, like, shaking. We had security, don't worry. Oh, yeah, you were there, too.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, well, my wife was walking to, like, H M or something in the morning, and I was sleeping in. She came back. She's like some guy just creepily said, like, you shouldn't be walking out here alone.

[Josh Rayner]

Me? Or was he trying to help me? You know?

[Olivia Dasavic]

But they never actually, like. Like, I've. It's very rare to see it actually happen where someone does something, but they're

[Tate Brown]

like, you shouldn't do that.

[Olivia Dasavic]

It's like, okay.

[Tate Brown]

Like, there is something to be said. Americans are getting creepier.

[Olivia Dasavic]

It is creepy. It is creepy.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Are they all Americans, though?

[Olivia Dasavic]

True. Well, that's the question. So.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I don't know.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I mean, again, yes. What's an American? I. I don't know. Like, it's a great trend overall. But again, I don't feel safe. Like, to your point, with Memphis, I wouldn't feel safe just being like, all right, I'm gonna go. It's. Oh, it's 9pm Time to go take a nice stroll in downtown Detroit. I probably wouldn't do that or anywhere in Detroit, but. And I love.

[Rebecca Zelko]

It's, like, not the only measure of, like, you know, deterioration in a city. Like, in California, if you're walking around and, like, everything is disgusting ever. Like, all the infrastructure is terrible. It's super outdated. It's like there are a bunch of different measures that are still important that aren't just. Although crime, I think, is probably number one, that that would also point to just things not.

[Josh Rayner]

Well, crime is kind of like the. Maybe the driver of it. And you kind of deal with, like, a broken window thing. And, like, even when the crime is gone, whether it be permanently or temporarily, the ramifications are still there. So if anyone is familiar with the Santa Monica promenade. So it's this big, like, walk street that goes for blocks and blocks with the big outdoor mall, right? And I have all these memories growing up as a kid with my parents walking down there and, like, getting, like, ice cream and, like, going to the stores and all that kind of stuff. And they have these, like, you know, dinosaurs made out of ivy and cool shit like that. And every. It's all vacant. Every. Like, there's, like, four businesses left on the whole thing. And it's like this was like a. Like a central part of, like, la, of like, of LA culture and kind of getting to Exp. Whether it be tourists or locals, like, it was this really fun, amazing thing. And why would it. The rent's too high, the crime's too high. All this stuff just sort of lingers around. And though if you walk down there, there's. You're not witnessing crime, it's kind of like, well, the potential for it or what used to be there. People get scared off and they just don't want to go back.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Well, getting back to your question, your original question of why do we think it's going down, or the statistics say it's going down. I think people are inside all day on their phones. I think there's less people out doing things, so there's less crime being a damn phone.

[Tate Brown]

That's what I wanted to get.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Look, it do be good and bad at the same time.

[Josh Rayner]

You know, it's like, okay, consumers don't be doing crime anymore. They just be on the.

[Olivia Dasavic]

They're inside all day.

[Tate Brown]

Well, that's what I wanted to hit on was because, you know, President Trump, he was catching some flack the other day because he said, I think it's only 2% of the population that's like really roughing everyone up. And, you know, 98%, he's like, I can deal with 2%. It's not a problem. He's basically just saying, like, let me take the gloves off. Which is they should. So true. But I think he's correct. I think what's happened here is that a lot of Americans just aren't behaving in ways that would facilitate crime. Like a lot of violent crime histor. And you can look into it. A lot of violent crime was like alcohol fueled or it was domestic. Well, how can you have domestic assault when no one's getting married anymore? There's no wives to wail on.

[Josh Rayner]

No one drinks anymore.

[Tate Brown]

I know. No.

[Josh Rayner]

No one's getting laid.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. No one's getting drunk. No one's getting married. So where's the. Where's the fights going to happen? So now it's just this. Yeah. Real. So now it's just this 2% of the.

[Josh Rayner]

They're sending death threats on. Online on Twitter.

[Tate Brown]

Literally. I'm like, do something at least. Like, it's lindy to, like, act on.

[Josh Rayner]

The guys don't have enough testosterone to commit crime.

[Tate Brown]

That's a big.

[Josh Rayner]

That's. That's the whole side up. Yeah, that's the plan. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Everyone's, like, gay now. It's like, you know, I'd almost be relieved to see the violent crime go up I'm like, that means. That means Maha's working, but should go

[Rebecca Zelko]

to jail, like, once.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Zelko]

For like a night. Yeah. Like, that, to me is like proof of testosterone. It's like, you know, so true.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. So, I mean, like, in crime right now. I know. So I'm just seeing this and I'm like, okay, this is great. But I think this is an indication that I don't know if Americans are, like, becoming more, you know, because people point this out all the time. They'll say, well, teenage pregnancies have tanked. And it's like, at first glance, that seems like good news. But that's not because Americans are getting more prudish. That's just because they're not talking. They're not talking to each other. Like. Like, where are the hoes? That's a very salient question. Where are they?

[Josh Rayner]

Where are the hoes?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, where are those? It's like everyone's old, everyone's chopped. No one's talking to each other.

[Rebecca Zelko]

It's like, everyone's a girl now. It's over.

[Tate Brown]

It's horrible. It's horrible. So that, like, we want to see. I think proof that Trump's reforms are working is a violent crime shoots through the roof. If teenage pregnancies shoot through the roof. If everyone is like, alcoholics, that means Americ, more DUIs, more DUI. America's back if that happens.

[Josh Rayner]

So, you know, you are right, though. That is such a small percentage of population.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

They've even shown that, like, if you just get rid of, like, all repeat offenders, like, there's no crime.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Literally.

[Josh Rayner]

And then, of course, we get. We find our way back to the fix everything switch. Right, Right. Like, really, really easy. Just like Bukele showed us, if you just put the criminals in jail. But we. The thing is, we live in a society where people don't want to fix things. Like, and I had some. Some tweet about Spencer Pratt, like, kind of go viral, and someone was like, you know, saying he's not going to win or he sucks or he doesn't have an experience or, you know, something like that.

[Chris Carr]

That was me. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, sorry.

[Josh Rayner]

And it's. It's like, you know, like, what's his policy going to fix? Says he wants to fix homelessness. It's like, no, you realize these other people don't want to fix it because they benefit from it. And that's. That's like the kind of the weirdest. Just like, cognitive dissonance for a large percent of the population, especially liberals. They don't understand that the people that supposedly represent them don't want to solve a problem that they're talking about solving.

[Tate Brown]

Right.

[Josh Rayner]

Like, if. If one of their organizations said, we're going to, like, cure this thing, what I would assume is they were going to make it ten times worse.

[Chris Carr]

Well, that goes to what you were saying. With the crumbling infrastructure in California and a lot of, you know, the metro cities in the country, it's just like it goes down to not just crime, but the misplaced priorities of the ruling class.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Chris Carr]

And of course, I mean, California spent 14.5 million on reparations, studying reparations, figuring out ways to hand out reparations. They have no priorities, especially for their own citizens.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. I mean, like, famously, if they have the high speed rail that just stops and it's like, in Modesto.

[Chris Carr]

Oh, it was never gonna happen.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Spend money on, like, the right things, it's pretty clear that that's not always effectuated into, like, actual positive change. You could not have thrown more money at homelessness. And then it, like, just totally gotten worse.

[Chris Carr]

Yep.

[Josh Rayner]

So a lot of people have made a lot of money.

[Chris Carr]

Oh, big time.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah. Well, yeah, worse for everybody else. But those nonprofit ladies with the salads, they're doing great.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, Real. And people also still have, like, a really high tolerance for anti social behavior. So even if we, like, had this Dubai level infrastructure, it would just get destroyed in, like, three years because, like, we tolerate, again, to Trump's point, 2% of the population. Well, they'd, like, ruin everything. I mean, like, literally, when you go to the bath, you go to a public bathroom, you go to, like, punch in the Da Vinci Code to get in. And then they, like, there's no towels. The toilet's now, like, automatic. You got to do, like a Jedi force wave to get at the flush. And then they have, like, a leaf blower on the wall because, like, like 2% of the population is going in there. And like, you know, Taz from Looney Tunes, like, destroying and everything. So now we have to, like, kid proof society because.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Because these two presenters and also because we don't want to actually enforce the crime. Like, there are no teen takeovers in Dubai because they'll just, like, cut your hand.

[Josh Rayner]

Look like they don't put you. When you commit, like, violent, violent crime. They're not going to do anything to you if you just, like, mess things up a bit, you know?

[Rebecca Zelko]

And also, like, law enforcement has to be unapologetic about it. I think people still, like, kind of flinch at the thought of like, arresting the guy that commits the crime. Because it's like there was that obviously with like, the George Floyd era of things that totally shifted the narrative and I think kind of like rewired a lot of people's brains when they. When it comes to crime. Even though it's like one of those things where it's like, yeah, if, like, you. You punch an old lady, you should go to jail. But now there's like, all these weird nuances people are programmed to have. We need to, like, actually feel okay about enforcing the law. And I think we're getting there.

[Josh Rayner]

But like, the cops, even the cops that like, like, oh, I would just love to throw this in jail. They just know I'm going to pick. If I pick him up. I don't have either the.

[Rebecca Zelko]

If the wrong. Karen is taking a video.

[Josh Rayner]

No, no, it's just like. It's just like I'm going to bring him back and either. Well, actually, it's like, I actually don't have the authority to bring him back. I'd literally love to. And then he would be let go anyway.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

You know, and that's the kind of thing that, then that you demoralize the police officers. There was a. Some kind of viral thing I saw on Twitter last few days where some guy was filming something in. In LA and he got, like, assaulted by some passerby. And the cop was there and he's like, you can come into the courthouse and make some sort of, like, statement against him, but, like, I didn't see it, so I can't do anything. And then, you know, this other guy is like, basically saying, you're impotent. Like, as a police officer, you're impotent. The guy's like, I'm just doing my job. And it's like, yeah, you're not allowed to do your job.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, literally.

[Josh Rayner]

And so it doesn't. It doesn't matter at what stage you, like, if a cop were to do something, their life would be ruined.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Zelko]

And even if you do try to, like, if the. The crime that they're actually allowed to go after is like, if you go seven over the speed limit, and then like, the suburban moms who relate to, like, the kid drop off, they're the ones that end up getting punished in society. It's like a total inversion.

[Tate Brown]

Crazy.

[Rebecca Zelko]

It's ridiculous.

[Josh Rayner]

And I. Whoever invented an ARCO tyranny was that. That was like, someone recently came up with that term, right?

[Chris Carr]

Term.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. Yeah. It's the best thing. It explains everything.

[Tate Brown]

It's so True. And this is what's so frustrating because none of us at this table are like, regularly committing misdemeanors. Right. And like, this is the thing. Yeah, well, yeah, like, you know, just walk with me. Let's all pretend that we're all boy scouts here. Like, you know, like a mist. If you're consistently like, racking up misdemeanors, that indicates that you have a lot of like, antisocial temperament. Like, like antisocial behaviors. You have an antisocial temperament, which is going to make you prone to, to committing a more violent crime down the road. That's why those laws were there in the first place. That's why, like, jaywalking was a law in the first place. It wasn't just like randomly pick off us when we decided to jaywalk. It was to punish people. You could build a case on them, like, okay, this guy's consistently demonstrating antisocial behaviors. Let's throw him in jail. Well, now we've all agreed as a society that's like, wow, it feels a bit wrong to enforce like such a minor rule and then these people are able to get away scot free. This is why, like, before we get into the next story, this is why I like John Doyle's proposal, which is you get a punch card and if you commit 10 misdemeanors, like non traffic related, obviously you get killed. I think it's like, that makes a lot of sense. A lot of sense.

[Josh Rayner]

John Doyle for president.

[Tate Brown]

In my mind, that's a pretty decent

[Chris Carr]

inroad to a Singapore version of the United States. I like it.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay, you graffiti 10 times, that's like honestly demonstrating that you're like holding society up just as much as someone.

[Josh Rayner]

Because. Because you are literally promoting ugliness. You know, like, I was in, I was in Austin like a month ago and I went like a, A little like canoe ride or something. I'm going underneath the bridge and I'm like, first off, how do they get under here?

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

But it's also like, why? Why?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, why? Because you. Like, because they'd suck and they're.

[Josh Rayner]

It's like, I feel like, like something bad, really bad should happen to you.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

You're just gonna start graffiti, like, right? You know, it's like.

[Rebecca Zelko]

And it's not even just graffiti. Like, oh, no, like repeated, like violent crimes. Like Irina Zarutska's killer. He had however many, two, like 42, like how many times he had been arrested for like, violent crimes. And like he was still on the bus.

[Tate Brown]

But everyone has. Everyone has the courage to attack the repeat, violent criminal offenders. I'm saying, does anyone have the courage to attack the minor crime offenders that commit them regularly? Like a guy that has four littering tickets. You're out, you're done.

[Josh Rayner]

But I want the judges. I want the judges.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, well, there's a. There's. Look, there's a lot to unravel here. I think we should go international here before we pivot to probably the most important story of the story of the day, which is Hooters. Let's jump into this story from the BBC, and that is the British Bot Broadcasting Company, Everyone. Rubio says Cuba is a threat to the United States as Havana accuses him of lies. Everyone needs to put on their geopolitics hats for this story. Cuba poses a, quote, national security threat to the United States and the likelihood of a peaceful agreement is, quote, not high. US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said his comments just come a day after the United States charged Cuba's former president, Raul Castro with murder over the 1996 drowning or downing. 1996 downing of two planes, resulting in the killing of US nationals. Rubio said Washington's preference was a, quote, diplomatic solution, but warned that President Donald Trump had the right and the obligation to protect his country against any threat. Obviously, Cuba's pissed off about this. Their foreign minister, Bruno Rodriguez, really Cuban name, by the way, accused Rubio of, quote, lies and said the island never posed a threat to the United States.

[Olivia Dasavic]

What are they going to do? They have, like, no food. No one has the body strength. Fight us.

[Rebecca Zelko]

What are they actually, ironically, have no clue cards. Right. You don't have a bottle card.

[Olivia Dasavic]

You're talking all tough. Like, what are they realistically going to do?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it's like going to war with, like, a, like a refugee camp. It's like, what, are they going to throw rocks at us?

[Rebecca Zelko]

Like, good luck, I guess.

[Chris Carr]

Rubio says they pose a threat. They say it's lies. I mean, just on the face of it, obviously they're lying. That makes no sense.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Chris Carr]

What threat does Cuba, I mean, plausibly pose?

[Josh Rayner]

Well, isn't the whole thing that they're not like, a direct. That they're not a direct military threat, but as they've always been, they're like, like, right off of our. The beachhead for other threats, for, like, global communism? Right. So, like, after the Soviet Union fell, especially Cuba is like the global headquarters of communism, which is why they.

[Chris Carr]

So let it be. Let it be.

[Rebecca Zelko]

No, it's all right.

[Josh Rayner]

It's literally miles off of our coast.

[Chris Carr]

The misplaced priorities of the ruling class.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, man, that's annoyed that they're there. Like, it's making me mad. Like, that's my. I'm like, I'm very honest. You know, Marco Rubio is like trying to like, lay, you know, Mark Ruby's trying to set the geopolitical table. I'm like, just take, like, no one cares what's. I'm gonna do something about it.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Like, there's a major, like, I'm not touching you vibe with Cuba right now. They're like, I'm not touching you. It's like, yeah, but it's, you're pissing me off also. Like, I get that foreign policy is a huge issue and like, deeply unpopular for obvious reasons with Iran, but I think it's, it's definitely an easier sell for the American people just by the mere fact that like, Cuba is in our hemisphere. Like, I actually think like, the Venezuela thing was kind of was not like the quagmire that people were scared it's going to be not just because it literally was like a 40 minute operation, but also because it's like, oh, Trump was like, well, we just will get their oil and that's good for us. And people are like, okay, that kind of makes sense, I guess.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, you have all the, the, all the gaming commissions lining up to open, you know, casinos in Havana. And I'm like, I don't care if it's. I'm sorry, I don't really care if it's good for Cubans. I care if it's good for America because Marco Rubio, like, look, it's Florida. There's a Florida mafia in the White House. You know, we're already like, scared we might lose Florida and the governor's race because, like Byron Donald's like, kind of sucks. So we kind of got to get a W here. This will fire up not just Cubans, but like, from what I understand, because I'm one of these people that just like paints broad brushstrokes across the world. As I understand it, there's other Hispanic groups that are also like, would like to see Cuba fall. Probably not Mexicans, but like Nicaraguans, I think would be quite excited to see Cuba fall because that indicate that things could change in their country. So again, like, like, you know, you make a play on Cuba soon, right before the midterms, if it's another success like Venezuela, that's a boost in the polls. I think that, I think that plays well with the with the American populace. Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

I mean, the Venezuela thing was just like, really cool. Honestly.

[Olivia Dasavic]

It was.

[Josh Rayner]

And then.

[Tate Brown]

And some even had libtards that were like, it's kind of sick.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Deficit was like, here everyone is.

[Josh Rayner]

Everyone's like, when it first came out, all like the, you know, people dubbed the. The panic, and it's like, oh, we're gonna get like a massive, like, refuge crisis or something. But, like, that didn't happen. Right. So, like, if. If the negative effects of what people always have problems with on a geopolitical scale, like, aren't there, then there's the cons list gets much, much shorter and, you know, got again, got to go back to the Don Road Doctrine thing. Like, because every, you know, if, If, If Mexico is such a problem because of, of, of, of course the border and then the drugs. And the thing is, all these nationals from all these other countries who have their own weird terrorist leanings come in through Mexico. So fixing the border doesn't just solve Mexico. It solves all the problems that then get brought to Mexico. Just like dealing with Cuba deals all the problems that get funneled through Cuba.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And so these kind of things are actually, like, much more important. I agree. Than like, on the other side of the world.

[Tate Brown]

And there's something to be said about the fact. And people have made. This is not my. This is me regurgitating. What people have speculated is that, you know, the Trump administration, administration keeps getting jammed up on domestic policy because of courts, because Congress is like, horrible and retarded again. So, like, there's a lot of ways that the, you know, Trump agenda is getting jammed up domestically. Some people have observed that that could be the reason he's making such drastic plays in foreign policy internationally is because that is one, you know, realm what the executive branch has. They can basically do whatever they want.

[Josh Rayner]

They can exert his will unfettered, you know.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Whenever someone says that he's doing something internationally, why don't you, why don't you not focus on that and do something domestically? It's like, he doesn't just have the, like, oh, yeah, I would just. Of course I'm not doing that because I'm doing this. It's like, well, I can't do that, but I can do this.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. It's like the Trump administration, they, you know, they declare a war on Iran and someone's like, why don't you focus on mass deportations? And they're like, oh, why didn't we do that? And it's like, no, I mean, there's a little bit more to it. I mean, I agree, like, there's a bit of frustration over how we've allocated political capital. I think there's a big conversation to be had there. And I. I would broadly agree. But there, I think that's true, is that, look, Trump is obviously this kind of generational. He's a turning point in American history. We're going to call this era the Trump era. He wants to make his mark on and he wants to. I think he wants to mop up all of these.

[Rebecca Zelko]

He's in legacy mode. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

And he's trying to mop up a lot of these international situation, you know, situations that a lot of presidents either didn't want to touch or they didn't have the. The backing to touch or they didn't know how to fix. And I think that explains part of his thinking here, as he said. Well, Cuba has been, you know, jamming us up geopolitically for decades. I could be the guy that solves that. And then I go in the history books and, you know, if Iran gets, you know, you know, mopped up somewhat. Well, or at least we get out of it in one piece, then, yeah. I mean, maybe Cuba and Venezuela are the ones that make it into the history books and Iran's like, wow, you know, it was a bad idea.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Sorry to pivot. Hard pivot. But it just came out that Tulsi Gabbard resigned.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, really?

[Olivia Dasavic]

Sorry. I sent it in the slack. It was just hard pivot. But I saw it and was trying to verify it.

[Josh Rayner]

That's an important one.

[Olivia Dasavic]

So I had to send that. It's in the slack for irl.

[Tate Brown]

That would have been the lead if.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, I'm so sorry.

[Tate Brown]

That breaks the fifth wall, or fourth, whatever wall.

[Olivia Dasavic]

So sorry, you guys. Yes.

[Chris Carr]

I mean, we.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, I thought she was going to. I thought she was going to resign with the Jo Cant stuff.

[Rebecca Zelko]

She said a statement.

[Olivia Dasavic]

It. No, I have it here from. It's from Fox and exclusive. It said, if you want to. Her husband was diagnosed in extremely rare form of bone cancer, is what she wrote in her resignation letter. I mean, I'm sure that did happen, but I'm not buying that's the exact reason she's.

[Tate Brown]

You know, what's interesting is, you know, there's a lot of. There' of dunking. There's a lot of dunking that can be put on Laura Loomer. Right. You know, everyone has a bone to pick with Laura Lor, but when she reports on D.C. scoops, dude, she's usually pretty. Right. She reported a few weeks ago that Tulsi Gabbard would resign in a few weeks. And then the headline comes through. There's something to be said about.

[Josh Rayner]

I'm sorry, you're just like not going to out gossip a Jewish girl.

[Olivia Dasavic]

You can't do it.

[Josh Rayner]

You can't do it.

[Chris Carr]

It's true that heritage, that heritage, for the record, has been disputed.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Oh, really?

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, yeah, I guess

[Josh Rayner]

I've seen that. But it's like, like, what's the argument? What's the argument?

[Chris Carr]

She just doesn't know how to draw a Star of David?

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, it's not like they teach you. I, I think it's like training.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, they could.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah, it's called Hebrew.

[Rebecca Zelko]

That's what like I went.

[Tate Brown]

That's what business was. It's not like, you know, you learn verse mortgages and stuff.

[Josh Rayner]

I don't know. I've seen people like trace her like family because, like everyone is like a Rosenberg and a Friedman, like in her family tree. So I don't know.

[Tate Brown]

Regardless, I mean, we were talking geopolitics and this has a huge implication because a lot of people have, you know, pointed out correctly that, that Tulsi Gabbard, historically very anti intervention. I mean, you would have to think she's been biting her tongue for the last two, three months over Iran. I mean, people have said Vance, you know, people, you know, have pointed out Vance has gone a bit quiet since the Iran war started. Is that a sign that he is like deeply opposed to the war or is that maybe him just shifting strategy? Regardless, we're seeing scalps, we're seeing Tulsi Gabbard, obviously, Joe Kent, you know, there's been a few more quiet dismissals that were appointees that have, that have left, left the foray. And I think this just adds to, again, there's just a, there's a shift, there's a shift happening in the Trump administration right now.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I think Tulsi's been looking for a way out for a while and I'm sure that her husband has a bit of, you know, she, that's part of it, right? Her husband being sick. That's probably part of the reason why she decided to resign when she did. But I do think there was that, that timing coincided and she was like, okay, this is a reason that's not going to slam the administration. That's not going to make anybody look bad.

[Chris Carr]

But it's also an offshoot of what we saw with Massie this week. It's either get on Team Trump or get off the boat. You know, I mean, and that's. I mean, I think she's been wavering a bit, you know, because a lot of the. She's reversed a lot of her positions that she had prior to joining the administration. So I think it was kind of something that was inevitable. You know, she's one of those people that was not gonna get on Team Trump completely.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I totally agree. And I think people have forgotten she ran as a Democrat, but she was

[Josh Rayner]

also a congresswoman, like a Democrat congresswoman,

[Tate Brown]

literally, like, you know, it's not that. That she just happened to be a Democrat, like rfk, where he has a plausible deniability of, oh, I just shifted my views. She casted votes that were, like, in lockstep with the Democrat agenda. She was. Again, ran for president as a Democrat. And, okay, yes, she was outflanking pretty much the entire field on the right on a few issues, but on the majority of issues, again, no one would have really batted an eye. And she did, like, garner support and a Democrat primary. But I think that has more to say about, again, what the Trump administration was trying to do going into this term than it does about her, than it does about the Democrat base. Because, you know, so much people said, well, the Democrats, they're gonna moderate. And it's like, well, that's not the basis. That's besides the point. I think this indicates. To your point, Chris, I mean, I think it's true, as I think the Trump administration right now, the atmosphere, the mood is purge. People that are disloyal because we're in a time right now, a lot of media pressure, a lot of longtime Trump allies have flipped on him. Right now, Max loyalty is sort of the culture, the environment. And I can't actually really blame the Trump administration. I mean, again, when you're bleeding allies, this is the time to close ranks, when everyone loves you, everyone quite easy to let anyone in. It's like, all right, yeah, let's build this big coalition. But again, once that coalition breaks down, at least in the media, I mean, I still think the base, by and large, obviously, I mean, Trump scalped all of his opponents in the last primary cycle. It indicates that the base is probably a bit more on board with the Trump agenda than a lot of people have pointed out. But I think it's true, is the general atmosphere, the general mood right now is tight in ranks.

[Rebecca Zelko]

It's kind of what you get when you stitch together such a big coalition. I mean, like Tulsi, she was Definitely a big part of the reason why a lot, like a lot of the independents were, got on board. She was like, very famously, obviously anti war. And so I can imagine her being in a position where, like, she is having a lot of this happen right in front of her. And there were even reports, I have no idea if this is true or not, of her being like, cut out of certain intelligence meetings because she just did not see eye to eye with the administration on certain things that were, you know, very important, not just within, you know, like in the political sense, but like, to voters. Like, these are things that you've seen a lot of discourse online, at least I have, where people feel like she's kind of forced to violate her conscience in this position. And so similar to what Joe Kent said when he resigned. And so I imagine it's probably something similar going on.

[Tate Brown]

It's interesting because, you know, this kind of, again, we got to start talking about 2028, the primary starts next year. And there's this kind of understanding that if Rubio and Vance run against each other, we could see a situation which the Vance camp is kind of this ensemble of, you know, Trump aligned people, but they, they've had massive disagreements with the administration and they got off the, off the train. And then the Rubio camp may be more of sort of the more establishment elements, but also some of the loyalists that say, okay, I'll play ball at the establishment to get the football down the field. And that's going to put the base in a bit of a dilemma here because again, you have really pop. I mean, Tulsi's a very popular figure, I would say extremely popular within the Trump base, but I think nationally, I think a lot of people still have a soft spot for it. I mean, I don't want to put words in Tim's mouth, but as I remember, if I remember correctly, he was already leaning towards Trump. But again, Tulsi getting added to the roster is kind of what, like, really made it.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Like, a lot of people were in that situation where they were like, Trump's saying the right things, but having a lot of these people added to the coalition, Tulsi, rfk, that gave Independence and a lot of undecided voters permission to vote for him because they were like, oh, well, if you're willing to bring these people into the fold, you are kind of extending an olive branch to somebody who is not traditionally a Republican, but has, you know, concerns that the administration said they cared about in the

[Chris Carr]

fracturing, Sorry, the fracturing of that coalition is also Sort of trickled down to the fracturing of maga.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, I think, I mean, you're absolutely right. Then this, this is the thing, right. It's like, you know, and the midterms are going to be a really big sign of, of where things are going. Of course, like you're saying the primaries, the primaries have, have shown that the base is still kind of completely behind Trump, whatever he says. But Trump understands that, that whatever, like he has to get whatever he can get done in these four years. And that's almost like half gone at this point. And at the end of those four years, if everyone is much better off, that's going to be reflected in what the legacy is of not just her, his term, but you know, who carries on the torch.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And, and you know, so it's like, okay, he did all these things to get elected. And it's like what we, what I would imagine everyone wants is for things to get better. And everyone has their kind of maybe like more pet issues or things they care.

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[Josh Rayner]

But if the general well being of the people is better after his four years, then he will have done the correct job. And if he finds that these people are in his way and not just that, he gets all this criticism from people on the right who say, you're not doing enough of this, you're not, you're not doing enough deportations, the economy is this, this. So he's like, okay, well I'm trying to do these things and I feel these people are in my way. So it's, it's in his best interest to like, he's saying like streamline, full speed ahead. Because if he doesn't get it done, then everyone has legitimate criticism. Right? Because he has the full term to show his, to show his deal. And you know, it's again, like, it's on him to actually like come through with all that.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, I, I completely agree and I think, yeah, if, if, again, if, you know, tightening ranks is what it takes to achieve domestic victories and so be it. I think with Tulsi's at least the reported, you know, reason she left. She's citing her husband, the bone cancer. I think that indicates that her departure is not going to be like the Joe Kent departure where he leaves and he's on Tucker the next day. Yeah, yeah. I think Tulsi, this indicates that maybe she's just going to kind of step aside and then, I don't know, we'll see what happens in the future. She's very young by political, you know, in political terms, she's. I'm in, like, what, 40 or early 40s?

[Chris Carr]

She's an infant. An infant.

[Olivia Dasavic]

She's a baby compared to D.C. yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. So we'll have to see which direction Tulsi goes. I imagine it's going to be fairly quiet. But I mean, to your point. Yeah, I mean, I think, look, Trump's consolidating right now, and again, if this manifests in domestic victories, then, Yeah, I mean, true, but again, if this doesn't manifest in further domestic victories, if Iran continues to be jammed up, you know, a lot of Republican voters are going to have some tough conversations going into the midterms, but certainly going to the primaries, I think it just gives your MTG wings more fuel. Going into the primaries, if JD Vance can't step up to the plate, if Rubio decides not to run, who is the successor? I don't really know.

[Rebecca Zelko]

That's the difficult thing about having managing such a large coalition that inevitably, you know, will fracture in many important places is that now you don't. You aren't really left with, like, an obvious heir to the throne. It's, you know, everyone's kind of floating Vance or Rubio, but, like, the reason they're floating those two names is because they kind of represent very broadly, and I'm sure there's a bunch of overlap, but they broadly represent, like, you know, more of the anti. You hear, like, more of the anti foreign wars people kind of going more in the Vance camp, then you hear people who are more enthusiastic about interventionism kind of backing Rubio. I think this is a fault line that's going to be really important for, you know, future election cycles. Midterms, I think, will be a good way to see how this kind of plays out, because it's like, yeah, you know, there is definitely there are some speed bumps in trying to implement domestic policy, for sure. Like, we can't even get the Save America act passed in the Senate. And it's literally just because there's no will to do it. There's no, there's no procedural issue with trying to get it done. If they could, if they wanted to, they totally would. But. But, like, honestly, there is kind of a feeling, I think, where, like, yeah, actually a lot of our priorities at home maybe are not being considered the same way or kind of put on the back burner right now because we're busy doing all this other stuff.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. I mean, that certainly seems to be the mood, even among Trump loyalists. I would say that is a bit of a concern. I mean, this is why, you know, it's interesting. I think I consider myself part of the broader, you know, Trump loyalist, you know, branch of the Republican Party. I'm exceptionally loyal to Trump. Again, I believe he's the only show in town. Quite frankly, that's the main reason for a lot of my support. But I'd be lying. I mean, I've been opposed to the Iran wars at the outset, and I.

[Rebecca Zelko]

It's usually the first spot where we're really loyal. You know, MAGA supporters have started to kind of turn away or to say, you know, like, to voice their disapproval. Is. Was the war that was like, the first breaking point for even some of the most loyal.

[Chris Carr]

I think the first breaking point was when he said, are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?

[Tate Brown]

I think that's when.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah, that too, yeah.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, that aside. But, like, you know, I think when it comes to, like, kind of your policy wonks, again, I think for me, I'm still gonna be, you know, backing Trump. I'm still very pro Trump. But again, Iran, it's one of those things where it's like, I'm opposed. I'm hearing you out. It was kind of a wait and see, maybe at the beginning. And I'm like, it kind of played out the way I thought it'd be. I thought the bond market, like, meltdown. I thought food would shoot through the roof. I thought gas would shoot through the roof. I thought our East Asian allies were going to be in a bad spot. And that's all manifested. And it's like, well, he literally said that he wouldn't.

[Rebecca Zelko]

He was like, yeah, no New York, no new wars, guys. And everyone was like, great.

[Tate Brown]

I know. I was. When he said that, I was like, what about Cuba and Venezuela? I was like, wait, no, that's too liberal.

[Rebecca Zelko]

No, like, wait, if I call it an operation, do you think they'll notice? It's like, yeah, well, we still noticed it. Yeah, still pretty much war, actually.

[Tate Brown]

But with that, I mean, I think the Tulsi story is just a footnote. It's relatively unimportant compared to the story that ripped across the AP line this. This morning, everyone is talking about it. Hooters says, bring the kids. This is. Per the New York Times, the chain known for skimpy uniforms and bikini nights is trying to change his. Its image. Hooters onesies, anyone? And then they just write a bunch of, like, gay stuff here. But they're doing the gist of the. The gist of the story is Hooters is making a pivot. Obviously, they've been known for, again, the waitresses wearing quite, quite skippy clothes. It puts husbands nationwide in a tough spot where they have to say, I just like the wings. You know, it's been this kind of trope.

[Josh Rayner]

The wings are pretty good.

[Carter Banks]

Wings are good.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

And so are the fries.

[Tate Brown]

You know, this is. So there's two, like, Hooters fans at the table, which is great. I can't attest to their food. I've never been. But I think maybe that's because I'm a zoomer. And I think people have pointed out that zoomers, like, what, 40% are functionally asexuals. And I don't consider myself an asexual. I. I have a beautiful Floyd at home. But yeah, this is a. This is, I think, concerning. I think this isn't just a. Oh, haha. Like, Hooters is making a business decision. There's some jokes to be made here, but I do think this indicates that, like, American society is, you know, I'm gonna make a broad philosophical point here. Over sexualized in the wrong ways and under sexualized in the right ways. And you're seeing, like, really weird, like, results of this. And the Hooters thing is just, like, fairly on the nose, kitschy, masculine sexuality manifested in a restaurant.

[Josh Rayner]

So they just look at her tits.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And the fact that. Look at her tits and the fact that it's, like, dying again, I don't think indicates more prudishness in the American people. I think it indicates, like, this weird, like, kind of asexuality that's, like, manifesting,

[Josh Rayner]

you know, as a. As a millennial. Like, we were the last generation who were allowed to be, like, heterosexual.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. It's illegal to be a straight white guy.

[Carter Banks]

Well, it's weird. How are we supposed to, like, combat, like, drag queen brunch dancing with making Hooters less sexual.

[Chris Carr]

But what's the story here? How are they incentivizing this? Is there some new rollout that they

[Tate Brown]

got going on or wardrobe change, marketing changes? They're just going to Try and make Hooters into, you know, any other, you know, chicken store.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Like, but that's not what makes it great.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, I want to. I want to see the Hooters. Right. Like, I know, you know, it's. Again, you're. What's. You could be calling nerfing it, neutering it, whatever it is.

[Tate Brown]

It's like hucking it.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. That's a good way of looking at it. It ceases to be what it is. And you know what? There you go. What's funny is a lot of brands, institutions, whatever you want to call it, they kind of, like, defang themselves.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Zelko]

They.

[Josh Rayner]

They kill the thing that is their whole identity that is actually interesting or desirable or functional or whatever the attraction is. And then, you know, people kind of try to, like, you know, refine things so they become more efficient in this regard. And, like, it kills the. Actually, it kills it. It kills it.

[Chris Carr]

Well, you see a publicity stunt, like Cracker Barrel did.

[Carter Banks]

Yes.

[Josh Rayner]

Do more people go to crack? Did that work? I mean, people.

[Chris Carr]

No, it did. I think it was a publicity stunt,

[Carter Banks]

but I'm saying, did it work, though Spotify recently?

[Chris Carr]

I don't know what their numbers are, but there was so much backlash that I almost thought that this was, you

[Tate Brown]

know, like, IHOP was like, we're IHOB now, and we're doing burgers.

[Carter Banks]

I think they should try to call that seasonal, though. Right.

[Tate Brown]

But, you know, something that's interesting here, and I want to make this point, and this is a very real point. I know Josh will back me up this one. Glad he's here. Is Hooters really. You know, it really epitomized the demographic overhaul of the United States because of the wardrobe change. So historically, the Hooters uniform emphasized. And I'm just gonna use anatomical terms here, emphasize the breasts. And the. The gluteus was kind of the. The. You know, that was the junior partner. Yeah. It was the afterthought. And then they actually radically changed. The uniform were now, again, the caboose was now emphasized, and then the breasts were, you know, downgraded back to junior partner. And what was interesting there is, I think that actually indicated a lot of the demographic change in the United States because historically, white men were interested.

[Josh Rayner]

Are you based in the breast that Hooters has been undergoing third worldism?

[Tate Brown]

It's been. It's becoming very brown coded. I'm sorry, but it's just. Let's cut the brass tax here.

[Rebecca Zelko]

That's really interesting.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

I mean, quite a connection there.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Well, I think wardrobe change amplifies that the country is becoming less white.

[Josh Rayner]

I mean, that's absolutely true. So I used to like, like my friends and I would go to Hooters in high school and college because like as soon as you have a car,

[Chris Carr]

we would drive 50 miles to get there.

[Josh Rayner]

Not, not 50, but we would drive all the way to Long Beach. So that's, that's quite a ways. Anyone from la, you know, and the traffic.

[Olivia Dasavic]

So it's time.

[Josh Rayner]

Driving, Driving to Long Beach. All the way to Long Beach.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Zelko]

You're like pooling gas money together.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Going for the wings though, right? The good wings.

[Josh Rayner]

Really. I mean I, I love, I had buffalo wings last night at some, some wonderful local establishment here. Pizza. It was no Hooters wings.

[Carter Banks]

Can't be understated. They are good.

[Josh Rayner]

I love, I love Buffalo aficionado. As it, as it stands, like, you know, if you're a front facing in the restaurant industry, you have to present yourself in a certain way. Right. So you have to be like, well put together, you know, this, that thing. And so like it's a wonderful place for like young attractive women to get jobs.

[Tate Brown]

Sure, right.

[Rebecca Zelko]

And make tips. No tax on tips.

[Chris Carr]

There you go.

[Josh Rayner]

And, and of course the attractiveness of the girl is always a bonus, regardless of her wardrobe.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Everyone wants to see a, a pretty waitress. That makes you feel better.

[Rebecca Zelko]

There's like a trend where waitresses will try different hairstyles to see like what hairstyles get them the most.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Tips.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Oh yeah, that's just really fascinating.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Depends on your hair.

[Josh Rayner]

But yeah, I bet every person with their own kind of like, you know,

[Rebecca Zelko]

it's almost always like braids. Like two pig, two pigtail braids. Every guy went out there like, oh yeah, you.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. Okay, okay. Hey, but hey, let's, let's like, you know, let's give the guys the benefit of the doubt here as opposed to going to some sort of, you know, very inappropriate place. That probably a word I can't even say on here. Lolita, she's just a, she's just a young girl. She needs to make some money, you know, wholesome guys here.

[Tate Brown]

She's not a stripper, you know, but

[Josh Rayner]

look, you know, it's like, okay, we're already sexualizing the waitress as it is. Right. If you're a woman, you know, it's like it's already happening. So just like allow them to lean into it, you know, have some fun with it. It's. It's hard.

[Olivia Dasavic]

But bringing kids there, that's even.

[Josh Rayner]

You Also, they were breastfeeding, like, four years ago. What are you talking.

[Tate Brown]

Okay, everyone's missing. Have you been to Chili's? You can't sexualize those waitresses. I mean, it's unbelievable. My 600 pound life over there, it's unbelievable.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Well, they wouldn't be able to move, but it's close.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, it looks like a dmv. I'm sorry, you can't sexualize that. Are you kidding me? It's unbelievable.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Listen, you're saying there's a space that

[Rebecca Zelko]

people ever, like, apply to work at Hooters? Like, do you think I ever, like,

[Josh Rayner]

they were like, technically, they are quite large, but so is the rest of me.

[Tate Brown]

It's inflation.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Like, do you think there's, like, a ratio that.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, there's definitely.

[Tate Brown]

So Hooters used to be. They would. They used to be about.

[Carter Banks]

Some girl told me that you had to, like, this is when I was in middle school. She's like, in order to work at Hooters, you have to walk up to a wall. And you're.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I heard that.

[Olivia Dasavic]

No, I heard that.

[Tate Brown]

This is Hooters. Used to hire based off of the attractiveness, and then now it's based off of, like, skill.

[Rebecca Zelko]

And it's off of, like, if you're so.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I'm sorry. I was a waitress. I'm sorry. Like, there's personal things that you have to be like, you know, nice and happy and all that, but the skill level, I mean, you're carrying things to a table like that. I'm sorry. Like. Like, there's good, like, balancing. That's the most. Exactly. Like, there's.

[Chris Carr]

I know this is a low level, like a low resolution take on this, but I think it's positive, at least in the gender goblin world that we live in, some level of femininity is being appreciated.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I'm here for it.

[Chris Carr]

Even if they're kids, you know, I just think that.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, but the conversation of not wanting kids to learn sexual things at a

[Chris Carr]

young age, inherently sexual about them already learning, you know.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Well, they do way worse.

[Chris Carr]

Thank you.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I'm just saying.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

These liptards do a bait and switch where they're like. Like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna take my kids to the, you know, the gay, like, the molestation party or whatever.

[Josh Rayner]

And.

[Tate Brown]

And then I'm like. And I'm like, that's wrong. That's clearly wrong. And they're like, oh, yeah. Well, this guy on Twitter took his kid to Hooters one time, and I'm like, still kind of weird. But like, not the same thing at all. Totally.

[Carter Banks]

Steel, man.

[Chris Carr]

This.

[Tate Brown]

I mean, look, you could.

[Carter Banks]

You could make the argument that, like, they're making it a little less sexual to invite more people, but then they would have to.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I think the idea is to make it less sexual is to inherently change what Hooters is about, which wouldn't work

[Josh Rayner]

well, like, at the end of the day, their business. So in their mind, they're like, if it's. If it's less sexual, then more families will bring their kids here, so we'll get more business.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Right, that's what I'm saying.

[Tate Brown]

But everyone's, like, asexual now.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Like, divorce rates going up anyway. Like, where are all the divorced dads gonna congregate?

[Tate Brown]

What's interesting is this is part of the problem is divorce rates are never been lower because. Because the only people. The only people getting married are, like, dialed in works.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Then, like, all. Where are all the weird unmarried men gonna hang out?

[Tate Brown]

They just die alone.

[Josh Rayner]

They're at home on, like, online.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

They don't even have common sense to go to a goddamn strip.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Go. Go to Hooters. Like, man, only fans.

[Tate Brown]

Common sense, conservative.

[Rebecca Zelko]

You need to subsidize Hooters at this.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I think we need a national security reinvigorate.

[Josh Rayner]

What's run on that.

[Chris Carr]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Spencer Pratt, if you can hear me, please. Spencer Pratt, please, if you can hear me, please.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I say go in the other direction. Other direction. Don't make it kid friendly at all. Keep it what it is, but make it better. And then. Okay, close.

[Josh Rayner]

Yes.

[Rebecca Zelko]

And then America, this is no kids.

[Olivia Dasavic]

And then we can ban only fans.

[Josh Rayner]

Cuba. Yes, we're going to take Cuba and make it a big Hooters.

[Olivia Dasavic]

It's going to be a big Hooters world.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. But, you know, this is a big problem. This is a big problem is that again, like, everyone emphasizes, like, the most gruesome, horrific parts of, like, sexuality, which is, like, the women are reading, like, smut. Like, the most disturbing books you've ever seen in your entire life.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Like vampires.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. And then the men are, like, watching, like, the most disturbing pornography you've ever seen in your entire life. But, like, normal, ordinary, boilerplate sexuality is, like, frowned upon.

[Josh Rayner]

So I swear I don't know from personal experience, I just think, hey, campers,

[Rebecca Zelko]

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[Tate Brown]

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[Josh Rayner]

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[Josh Rayner]

medcare network.com I'm using what the the culture is telling me as some information here. The rise of only fans I think actually shows that men are getting less up into weird sexually and they want some sort of semblance of an emotional connection with the person that they're observing.

[Rebecca Zelko]

They can like pay to talk.

[Josh Rayner]

To talk because it's broadly true. They want like they actually feel like. Yeah, because you know, some, some girls will like post their earnings online. They show how much of it comes from like, like tips and chats.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Sure.

[Josh Rayner]

It's actually like for many girls, like the majority of it. So actually you have a bunch of lonely guys. They're not looking for like a bunch of like depraved weird up sex stuff. They actually just like want someone to connect with. And so getting someone that you might have some kind of attraction to in like even like a deeper sense, then you kind of get to see them in a sexual sense. So then you get a completely neutered and asexual full romantic and sexual experience. You never get to touch them.

[Tate Brown]

Well, get to feel them because I think the guys that have filtered into consuming OnlyFans content are the guys that would ordinarily just get girlfriends and wives. I still think like the, the depraved guys who are into all the weird stuff are still engaging with that. But now you've picked off a group of guys who would ordinarily be well adjusted and now they're getting siloed into only fans because the dating market's a train wreck. Like, you know, they don't know how to put together a good hinge profile. Which you know, ChatGPT can do by the way. But you know, it's like what, okay,

[Josh Rayner]

so like you were saying about the Downfall of Hooters, though you can't discount how many of just like the third world. A bunch of guys who would never ever get to meet these girls.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Josh Rayner]

So you know, they live in a whole different country.

[Tate Brown]

You imagine Hooters in Toronto. Oh my gosh, dude, it would be crazy.

[Josh Rayner]

When you started that sentence, I thought you were going to say hooters in India, but you did say that.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, he did. He basically did. Yes.

[Tate Brown]

The women working out of Hooters in Toronto would have the same combat experience as like a navy seat deal. Like, they, they would be grizzled, like veterans. I mean it would be unbelievable.

[Rebecca Zelko]

But also like the chat thing, I imagine that, like, I think, yeah, probably there are some people who are just looking for like a personal connection and it's definitely easier to kind of like fake that or to have a similar experience. Just like online it's like definitely less intimidating than going up to a woman. You can like just Instead pay her $5 and like she'll say that like you're handsome or whatever. But like, I do think that it's still pretty much okay. Like it's still. It still is a trend that like, from what I understand that like women who get involved in only fans are kind of like soft launch a career in this, you know, industry, if you want to call it, they eventually kind of up the ante because that does make them more money. The crazier things that they do at the end of the day, like the more degenerate, like the more degenerate it becomes, the market is bigger and it's. They're willing to pay more for that sort of thing. Like, that's very much still a reality.

[Josh Rayner]

No, I mean, look, again, it's like I think what, what the guys are wanting is a sexual something, even if it's just visual with someone who they.

[Tate Brown]

They feel like a degree of exclusivity.

[Josh Rayner]

Well, not, no, not even that. It's like it feels more like approachable like as. Because I used to be this like very artificial, overly done done a thing and it's like, like not. You couldn't touch her. Not even because like she would never look twice. You. It's like she almost feels like an artificial.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Overly produced.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah, overly produced versus like this is like the girl that like walk. I walked by me at the grocery store that all of a sudden I was just like, oh my God, I'm in love with her.

[Tate Brown]

It's like watching a box office hit versus going to a. Like a film Festival.

[Rebecca Zelko]

So indie, I got to say, I'm

[Tate Brown]

like, one of the indie stuff you want to know.

[Chris Carr]

That's funny. That pipeline you're talking about is being brilliantly dramatized right now on the HBO series Euphoria in season three.

[Josh Rayner]

I've never seen it. I've never seen it.

[Chris Carr]

Well, it's not for the faint of heart. I mean, it's pretty rough. It is. But, I mean, but they do dramatize a lot of the stuff that is actually impacting, you know, young people at that age. And the Sydney Sweeney character is going through that exact pipeline from. Well, how far can I take it? Oh, there's gonna be more money. Oh, well, is this gonna give me a pole vault into Hollywood? And it really. I think it's a very insightful, brilliant show.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I would even say that like. Like the Sydney Sweeney. And I haven't seen. I've only seen, like, a couple scenes from the new season. I haven't seen the whole show in its entirety, so maybe I'm not the most qualified to say, but, like, I wouldn't even say that her storyline, the only fans storyline, is overly dramatized. I'd say that's, like, very realistic, actually. And I thought it was refreshing to see, you know, such a huge. A show that's so huge in pop culture accurately represent something that so many women have been convinced is, like, totally chill and super empowering and just, like. Like a great way to make a quick buck. Because there are definitely girls that I went to, like, high school with or that I've worked with who, you know, were like, oh, shoot, I. And I, like, need money really quick or, like. Or they think that it's. That they have all of the power in that scenario, and they, you know, start an only fans, and they are able to make thousands and thousands of dollars by exploiting themselves. It's. It's like. It's a really. I don't think it can be overstated how kind of depressing it is to see people that you went to school with, with, you know, do things like that.

[Josh Rayner]

You know, so when we were talking before about how, like, talking about crime and how things were, like, segregated.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

So it used to be, like, if you were, like, a porn star or something, you're, like, in that kind of, like, part of society, and you're, like, removed from all of us like normal people. And so it's like, it's okay when it's that, like, you had to go

[Rebecca Zelko]

to the store and buy, like, a magazine. Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And if you wanted to Be a porn star. You had to put yourself in really weird situation.

[Tate Brown]

They used to want it. They had to fight for it.

[Josh Rayner]

How many casting couches have you been on? Damn it. No, but, like, really, like, you know, you had these people who, like, they were already up. And so it's kind of like we have a segregated population of the society that does. That does these things, and we're all normal people and. Okay, we're gonna peek behind the curtain, you know, but, like, that's about it.

[Chris Carr]

It used to be in the shadows, but now it's domestic.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. Like, it's. It's much more devastating when it hits close to home, that it's like your own, like you say, like your own friends.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

Like a matt, you know, your father, your own daughters. Like, it's like, oh, we're a normal family. And then this is just happening, like, in schools. That's when it becomes, like, way more destructive when the people who are part of normal society, or at least trying to be normal, it gets into there, and that's like, where things get really.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I've also seen videos where, like, the siblings of some of these only fan girls who have, like. Like younger brothers.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, my gosh.

[Rebecca Zelko]

And they're like. So they're. They're. They're pleading with their sister who thinks that, like, what she's doing is totally insulated and harmless.

[Josh Rayner]

Guys getting destroyed.

[Rebecca Zelko]

And he's like, I'm getting bullied relentlessly at school. I've seen things I cannot unsee. Like, you are ruining my life for, like, some sort of superficial, you know, attempt to like, make a bunch of. I mean, they are making a bunch of money. That's not superficial, but, like, it's. It's like fake empowerment. It's not real. Like, you are kind of degrading yourself more and more, unfortunately. And it's not just you. The, you know, the person that's doing, only fans that's suffering from it. It's the people around them. It's their family members, it's their future children who are going to have to grow up seeing that their mom's digital footprint is not just like cringe selfies from middle school. It's like, literally pornography.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Especially because it's like, I mean, to your point. Yeah, it used to be the freaks over here, and then this hits close to home. But, I mean, women already have, like, an. Like an easy source of it. They have the laptop jobs. Women can just do the laptop jobs. Like, you know, the only. You really got to go there.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Corporate nine to five.

[Tate Brown]

There's already a reliable source of income that's like very like women centric already. Why, why do that? Just get the laptop job. It's equally as demeaning, but at least you're not going to offend your brother.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I mean, they make millions of dollars like some of the girls. And, and I will say, like, it's

[Tate Brown]

probably like 1% of them.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I was gonna say, I do think it's totally overstated how many of these girls get like filthy rich. But like, you see, women especially are so influential and like these videos from only fan girls who have social media profiles that are not pornographic, like, that's just like a day in my life. They're exorbitantly rich. They're flying all their friends out to Coachella. They have all of like the expensive bags and everything like that. And most girls, I think to an extent look at that and they're like, wow, that's desirable. You know, and it's. And they feel. They're convinced that it's within reach. So I think like, yeah, I do think that you could just do your 9 to 5 and answer emails all day. But I think girls, some girls see what could be and are motivated by that.

[Tate Brown]

It's crazy. I mean, it's. It's absolutely unbelievable. Carter. I mean, on that note, do we have questions ready to go yet?

[Carter Banks]

We are asking for them.

[Tate Brown]

We're asking for the questions. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's still like many points that can be made on that. I mean, one, the one thing is Hooters probably siphoned off a lot of these women that would ordinarily go into. Again, into only fans and these sorts of things. Because. Because I think partially like it's this again, it's this weird synth. I'm just, I'm trying to drill down on it, but I can't quite put my finger on it. But it's like, it's almost like people are repressed because they don't have access to sex. Because like marriages and relationships have completely broken down, but at the same time they're over sexualized in a way where there's no exclusivity to it anymore. And this goes far beyond what we're talking about. Like, obviously over at pornography and stuff is like people even like in the evangelical world will just like spill their guts about their like, sex life. And this sort of thing. Like, you'll see these weird tiktoks where it's like testimonials. Yeah. Where it's like, here's how we like brought like spice back into the bedroom. And I'm like, you're two fairly normal people and I'm like learning about your sex, it's like horrifying.

[Chris Carr]

Mr. Feeny, recently. Mr. Feeney.

[Josh Rayner]

Oh my God, I saw that.

[Chris Carr]

He's 99. He's talking about how they're open marriage.

[Josh Rayner]

Oh no, literally Mr. Feeny and his wife is still alive. She's like 96. Are both still alive.

[Chris Carr]

And their open marriage saved their relationship was

[Rebecca Zelko]

like they made it.

[Josh Rayner]

Does that mean.

[Tate Brown]

Fair enough.

[Chris Carr]

I want to know less.

[Josh Rayner]

You know, like a kids show, like a kids sitcom, whatever thing. Like literally for my entire child it was like my, my favorite show as a kid. And like Mr. Feeney is this dude's teacher from literally from like 4th, like 4th grade, like through college somehow. He's his next door neighbor and he's like the, you know, the, the. The.

[Chris Carr]

You don't know Boy Meets World.

[Josh Rayner]

No, man.

[Tate Brown]

This was supposed to be like if I heard of it, but it'd be like. I think it'd be like if spongebob had only fans, but like, you know.

[Josh Rayner]

Okay, so this guy is like, you know, he's literally like the wise older man for good. Yeah, no, no, he's the wise older man that like cares about you. Cuz he's like literally your next door neighbor. Literal next door neighbor. And he's like your teacher your whole life. So for like, for I feel like my generation, we kind of grew up like he was sort of this like weird paternalistic.

[Chris Carr]

Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

[Josh Rayner]

And it's like, you know, see, this is, this is the thing when people try to like break down walls. Like, look, everyone has sex. Like this is like. Well, not everyone, but like, you know, it's a normal thing and this fine.

[Tate Brown]

And it's good.

[Josh Rayner]

And we can sort of again, like there's the thing over there that lets you get into the weird stuff. And also just like do whatever you do in the privacy of your own home. And you know, you. You can like allude. But then it's like you're just like talking openly to promote to the whole world all these weird details and it's like no one needs to know that like I. Yeah, it's so awesome that him and his wife are having sex in their 90s. That's great. But like, why are we talking about. About it?

[Chris Carr]

Exactly.

[Josh Rayner]

And not only that, I don't wanna.

[Rebecca Zelko]

There's no sense of privacy.

[Josh Rayner]

But then it's like. And then the open and it's just

[Tate Brown]

like, dude, it's all across. Everyone's just spilling their guts all the time. I'm like, am I the. Am I the only person that like, keeps my life fairly private?

[Rebecca Zelko]

Look, okay, look, you need to confide about these things, like with your friends. Right? And even then, very like very few. We just.

[Josh Rayner]

We just don't have clear lines anymore because we all have our phones and we're on social media. And so like, what it means is to like.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Damn phone.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. To like real your. Things like that a random thought that you have, have you put out on a tweet and it could get millions of views and you can lose your job, you know, and it's just. It's just weird. Like, that's the kind of world we live in. It's going to be really weird to see like the. The kind of like snapback rubber band effect from that because. Okay, my first thought, like in the last few days, I was just like. I mean, this is. I'm not the first person to say this, but like, we're going to get to the point where every single person running for political office has had social media since they were a kid.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

And it's going to be unscrubbable. And so we're all. It's just no. Gonna. No longer gonna become a problem.

[Rebecca Zelko]

All the Harry Potter fan accounts, like the One Direction, like Imagine. I don't even know.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Listen, Tate, I felt that was.

[Josh Rayner]

But like, what do you do. What do you do when like every creative writing said inappropriate things, you know, sexual things, slurs, whatever it is.

[Chris Carr]

But that's why you had this lady that was running in the 13th district in Michigan. She's completely leaned into it.

[Carter Banks]

She.

[Chris Carr]

She sees the writing on the wall of what you have to do in the first place.

[Tate Brown]

October Surprise.

[Carter Banks]

Anyway, we are going to read some dis.

[Tate Brown]

We got to get to these people. Questions. Everyone is just blowing up our line for you here. They're hitting a brother on the hip here. Let's see what they have to say from Taylor, Lorenza's ex wife. I'll just open this to the panel. How would you feel about the retro Pizza Hut bringing back the old Hooters style outfits?

[Olivia Dasavic]

That'd be a crazy collab.

[Tate Brown]

I don't. Because I. I didn't experience. You know, everyone's like going on about the retro pizza. I know what they look like, but like, I didn't experienced prime pizza.

[Josh Rayner]

This guy's like a franchise owner and he's got like 80 locations. Amazing that to all of them. But wait, are they saying, what if we had the pizza people wear the hooters?

[Olivia Dasavic]

I think they're trying to hybrid nostalgia.

[Josh Rayner]

Well, then you're just. You're just kind of like, that's kind of.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah, you're ruining it. You're like, you can't reinvent.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. You're just like, throw a bunch of nostalgia together. Then it's nostalgia slop.

[Tate Brown]

By the time Pizza Hut got to me, it was already sloppified.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I guess I.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Currently, I. And I. I didn't grow up going to Pizza Hut. I don't think it was like, nostalgia was like, cool when I was. And like, my parents aren't from America, so, like, we wouldn't eat. We. I didn't have like a lot of important American, like, experiences growing up. But like, from what I understand, that's

[Olivia Dasavic]

why I said get out.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I was like, no, but like, from what I understand, people would like, go, like, their families would go together and sit down in this restaurant and eat together.

[Josh Rayner]

So like, people don't even.

[Rebecca Zelko]

People just doordash everything.

[Josh Rayner]

So going out, like, we didn't.

[Tate Brown]

We didn't.

[Josh Rayner]

We didn't really go out to Pizza Hut. Going out for pizza was a thing, like pizza night, you know. And so like, going out to like. I mean, I got. I got pizza last night and I was like the only person in the whole place. But, you know, people, people. I mean, going out to dinner is of course not a novel concept and people still do it, but there was kind of this more like, we're gonna go out and have an experience that that's not just like.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I think that's what they're trying to bring back.

[Josh Rayner]

Because you know what, what the millennials, like the hipster millennials did. This is like the 2010s were where we're bringing all this, like, higher quality food to places and kind of like industrial setting and like artisanal stuff and the microbreweries and all that kind of stuff. And it's like. And that's cool. Like, dude, like, now you can get like a grass fed burger and tallow fries and organic and like, that's great. But there's something kind of like weirdly wholesome. Not like the quality, the ingredients have to be bad, but like the kind of wholesome family experience that doesn't have to be something trying to be greater than it is. It's just like, this is just like fun. And.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, maybe wholesome chungus doesn't have to be a prerogative. Maybe that can be like, nice every once in A while?

[Josh Rayner]

No, because like, you want to be able to like, take your kids and just like go for a fun time.

[Tate Brown]

Literally.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. Now the only places you can go are actually the places that are like really expensive and like really nice. Or like Denny's.

[Tate Brown]

Well, yeah, because that's the worst part about the. Because you go to the whole. Yeah, real. And you go to the wholesome Chungus Burger restaurant now. And then the burger names are like, like disgusting. They're like, yeah, can I get the sloppy seconds? And can I get the.

[Rebecca Zelko]

The White Goose?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, can I get the rape sandwich, please? And you're like, what. What kind of place is this?

[Carter Banks]

Speaking of, there's a. A chat in here that's asking. Someone's visiting D.C. over Memorial Day.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Oh, yes.

[Tate Brown]

Okay. We're pivoting here. Meatloaf of Ohio, back after you know this person. You.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Should I. So, yeah, this is one of my moderators. My one, my long. It's a long story. My longtime moderators here is going to be in the area. It's going to be at Harper's Ferry, actually. So you're going to try to meet up. Finally meet after three years of the Discord server. You guys, dc, what are the three must see things or to do activities?

[Tate Brown]

National Archives. You have to do.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yes, I like to walk the monuments. My mom and my brother just visited me and it's like a 45 minute walk and you can see all of the monuments and they're beautiful. Get some exercise. Although the weather's gonna be crappy this weekend, so maybe that's not a good.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Depends what day you're gonna be there.

[Carter Banks]

Rain.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Don't park in front of the museum.

[Tate Brown]

I think my sleeper pick would be. Would be. You gotta pay. It's not a Smithsonian museum. But if. Even if you're not a Christian, the, the museum of the Bible.

[Chris Carr]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Tate Brown]

Pretty fascinating. Mainly because I think it's the third floor. They have all of these old. They have a massive collection. Just all these different, different transcripts and. And they have different Bible prints, which is pretty cool. They have like a few original Gutenberg press books.

[Rebecca Zelko]

The Library of Congress has a Gutenberg as well.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah, they have a Gutenberg Library of Congress. So beyond that, if you like food, you should go to. My personal plug is Soul Spice. It's like Korean Chipotle.

[Rebecca Zelko]

It's really good.

[Tate Brown]

And my, my Floyd is celiac and it's all gluten free no matter what.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, I would say it's kind of Obvious. But go to Arlington during Changing of the Guard, even if it's raining, because it's just incredible to watch that dedication with all weather. Yeah, it does. It kind of adds to that. So it's really cool to see Changing of the Guard, especially if it's raining. And that's, like, my personal favorite. There's some really cool. You can see JFK's grave. There's a couple other things there. My father in law is actually etched into a monument that's right on the drive coming up. And it's the CB monument, if anybody knows what I'm talking about. There's a Seabees monument. And my father in law is actually on there with Shout Out. Oh, man, I'm totally gonna forget the name. But he's. Yeah, he's like, has like a jackhammer and that's him. That's my father in law. It's really cool, Lore. I know.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Lore drop. We're dropping Insane Lord.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Dropping Lore Vernon is fun, too. Mount Vernon, Revolutionary War. Okay.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Love that.

[Chris Carr]

Who won?

[Rebecca Zelko]

Our side.

[Chris Carr]

Oh, your side.

[Tate Brown]

Okay.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Well, okay. They had the. They had.

[Tate Brown]

Had.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah. I'm from here. Okay. I'm American, I promise. They had, like, cavalry, too. They had, like, they pulled out all the stops. Apparently. These people, like, camp there all weekend. It's like, alt, right? Ren Fair. I love it.

[Chris Carr]

Very cool.

[Rebecca Zelko]

They had, like, autistic kids, like, in the lineup with, like, a white cast of sunscreen in their colonial uniforms. I'm like, this place.

[Tate Brown]

Boutique Unite. The right.

[Rebecca Zelko]

I love this. It's great.

[Tate Brown]

Let's get into this question here. Does the panel think we have or are entering a period where attending gentlemen's clubs are now a lower tier of degeneracy due to it requiring face to face interactions? Maybe the lower tier of general.

[Olivia Dasavic]

I don't know if it's because.

[Tate Brown]

Because he's saying they're siphoning off the. Like, just the total degenerates and the online stuff.

[Olivia Dasavic]

No, I think actually they're gonna close.

[Carter Banks]

Make Hooters.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. People who go now are probably worse.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

You know, because, like, the act itself,

[Rebecca Zelko]

though, is probably at least. It's like, you show up, up. You, like, get dressed, and you put a lot.

[Carter Banks]

I guess if you go unironically, then. Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

No, see, the thing is because, like, now people just, like, see escorts, like, because escorts are so much more common now because you have social media, which finds, like, their only fans page. And then all these girls do escorts now. So, like, I don't. I don't even Think strip clubs are

[Rebecca Zelko]

like they're door dashing their women.

[Josh Rayner]

Yeah. Everything is. Everything is just made to order.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

No one wants to leave the house. No one wants to go out and do things. Which of course then that. So like, I mean it's totally pivoting from that question, but I now feel like the people out in the world like are the people who truly want to be there.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

So whenever I go do something, I feel like now we're actually selecting for people who like really want to.

[Tate Brown]

Especially because it costs like $40 to go outside anymore. So you gotta like.

[Chris Carr]

Right, right.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's so gay.

[Josh Rayner]

Well, maybe outside is becoming like Costco. You have to pay to go outside.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Literally.

[Josh Rayner]

It's super. Yeah, you can make it that. But then again you can't have a two tiered thing thing. Right. Homeless people, they need to be like locked into asylums.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah. Real.

[Josh Rayner]

And so you have to pay money to go outside and then outside to be super duper nice. Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

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[Rebecca Zelko]

I mean, I think that it would be smart to get something, you know, resolve it in some capacity before the midterms. I also think it would have been smart to, after the midterms, if they were going to do anything at all. I think it probably would have been better to wait to make gas prices like $6 a gallon until after they, you know, the round of elections in November. From what I understand, they. The argument behind the scenes was that, like, well, the time is, is now, by the time the midterms pass, they're going to have, you know, too many defensive capabilities and we won't be as effective. I don't, I'm obviously not super privious to whether or not that's accurate, but I think that they will wrap it up in some way, you know, kind of mop it up as best as they can. The question, I guess, is whether or not Americans will still be feeling the pain afterwards. I think probably, and I think that will still reflect poorly on Republicans.

[Josh Rayner]

The gas prices have to come down.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Gas prices, the food prices. Yeah, it's just not a good look.

[Chris Carr]

I'm sorry, am I covering my food in crazy sauce or something? This is the new forever war.

[Olivia Dasavic]

War.

[Chris Carr]

It's a new forever war.

[Rebecca Zelko]

That's the fear.

[Chris Carr]

No, no, I think that's the reality. That's the reality. How is it not, best case scenario, he stops and we're a little bit worse off than we already are. And he can't stop because this is, you know, it's propagated by Israel. Israel is demanding this. He has to ramp it up and you can't ramp up in a war with Iran. This is a losing proposition. It's going to go on forever.

[Rebecca Zelko]

We definitely haven't patched things up with the Iranians after.

[Chris Carr]

It's not going to happen maybe in our lifetime.

[Tate Brown]

Well, that's, well, that's the problem. That's why I said, I mean, it's like, look, the victory condition or the victory condition for Iran is just survival. So to your point, I mean, look, there's two ways this goes is either Trump strikes a deal that like he can take home and say, well, we, you know, finished off their nuclear capabilities this time, or to your point, you have to finish them off. Well, in a country as large as Iran, as complex as Iran, that's a three, four, potentially decade long process depending on, on, you know, how entrenched they are. I'm sorry, this isn't going to get solved at the negotiating table. The Trump administration is going to just have to take, you know, lick their wounds here and survive. The thing though is that the Americans have a lot of capacity for this kind of stuff. That if the Trump administration does again, just kind of accept that it's a stalemate, we might be worse off. I think we would be worse off leaving this war. At the moment, the American people have very short memories. If you rack up a few domestic wins, you go and set the tone in Cuba, people, this will still be a blot on his record, there's no doubt about that. You know, in conversations in 10, 20 years, people will probably bring up, while the Iran thing is like, yeah, I know, but I, I think that again, if you just say, look, it is what it is, let's take the l here. It's, it's fine. Versus to your point, that's the only way I see this playing out. Again, if we stay in and we try to finish them off, that's going to take a lot longer. Do you think? We already killed all their leadership and

[Olivia Dasavic]

they're still, still going.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, and they have tons of munitions left over. The Chinese said, yeah, we'll stop supporting them. Nothing. There's no mechanism to actually force.

[Rebecca Zelko]

The Chinese and Russia, also like Iran, I mean, they killed like what, however many thousands, tens of thousands of their civilians leading up at 40,000 is what I've heard a lot like leading before the conflict. And so like the President threatening to take out their civilian infrastructure and kill more of their civilians. I'm like, I'm not totally convinced that that is like something that they're super worried about. Like they actually Would, like, totally do it themselves. Like, they weren't. They were happy people themselves. Like, I don't think that's going to actually, like, damage or set Iran back in the way that, like, Americans think. Because, you know, we look at the 13 servicemen that, that died so far in this conflict, and that's like, that's a heavy hit for us.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, to your point, you know, not to like, I know everyone's like, oh, everything gets tied back to World War II, but this is appropriate in this situation, is that's what we did in Germany, in Dresden, is we bombed the German people because we were under the impression that they would blame this on their government and say, just get us out of this. Like, sign whatever deal is necessary. Let's get out of this. It had the opposite effect, is they rally. Even though the German government was quite unpopular, specifically in Dresden, once we bombed them, they rallied around the flag. And I think the exact same thing would happen in Iran again if we ratcheted up the pressure and sort of targeting civilian infrastructure. I don't think the civilians say this is the Ayatollah's fault. Yeah, they would say, wow, we need a rally around the flag here. We may not like the Ayatollah, but these guys are coming in and bombing

[Rebecca Zelko]

us, especially since we had them first.

[Josh Rayner]

Isn't that kind of like what Trump was saying was like, hey, the people of Iran, like, now's your chance. Like, we kind of set the stage for you. And like, if they didn't take it, then, you know, like, the only way you get regime change is if you fully change everything. And like, you're saying that's going to take forever if it even happens. You either need, like, the people to revolt, you need some. You know, I've always, like, I've always said that, you know, regardless of our involvement, the only way that happens is if the people of Iran, who could pose some sort of, like, counter something, work directly with Israel and get like, a bunch because, you know, they. Mossad already has tons of people in Iran's right thing. Right. Like, there was one whole department of Iran, like the IRGC that was like, trying to snuff out who was Mossad. And everyone in there was actually. So it's like, unless you find some way to get the people in with, you know, with. With working with, in tandem, in tandem with Israel locally, it's just nothing's going to happen.

[Tate Brown]

Well, and this is why there's invade Iran.

[Josh Rayner]

You can't get people to revolt.

[Chris Carr]

They have A martyr to rally around now, thanks to us.

[Rebecca Zelko]

But also, if anything happened.

[Josh Rayner]

But, you know, at the same day, he's hated by a very large percentage of the population.

[Chris Carr]

I don't know about that. I dispute that.

[Tate Brown]

But even if that was the case, I mean, this was the problem to your point. I mean, there was a reporting, I think it was in the Washington Post earlier this week, that that was the plan when we went in, as we thought. Thought if we can create a power vacuum. We're watching on TV all these protests. They'll just step up and change the regime and we won't have to be too involved. Wow.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah. They were like leaking oppo to the New York Post or whoever it was that like, oh, the idol is gay. This is totally gonna work. And like, yeah, it is a funny rumor to start about someone, but, like, if anything, they're probably going to. Going to be. I assume that they're going to be more emboldened.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Well, you know, this would be the last one. Maybe is interesting proposal on how we could mop this up from G in the discord here. So should we make it rain bacon grease through cloud seeding in Iran? Would technically be chemical warfare. I believe that would be chemical warfare. But that is a. That's a compelling proposal. I mean, it's certainly better than looking at 10 years of occupation or more bombs.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Interesting. I knew who typed that without even knowing you were like, if we put Baker says, like. Ah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly who.

[Tate Brown]

They've actually attached a photo of what this could look like. It's AI but let's hope so. Yeah.

[Josh Rayner]

I will say, as someone who did spend time as a butcher, that pork fat is really hard to deal with and it's not going to go well.

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, the cloud seating with it on

[Josh Rayner]

the hollow would work.

[Rebecca Zelko]

We're a butcher.

[Tate Brown]

Oh, I respect that.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Okay.

[Tate Brown]

I respect that.

[Olivia Dasavic]

All this one's really easy. It's a yes or no question.

[Tate Brown]

That's a yes or no.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, it's easiest. Easiest around the table. Yay or nay on an infantry invasion of Cuba.

[Tate Brown]

Infantry. Nay. Hey, it's pretty easy. We don't need to do that.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Unanimous. Nay.

[Tate Brown]

Like 30 guys.

[Olivia Dasavic]

And I was going to say that was going to be quick.

[Tate Brown]

We'll just get Camaro a few white monsters. It should be fine.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Yeah.

[Tate Brown]

With that, we got to wind this show down, folks. Thank you very much for watching this Friday installment. It was. It was loose, it was fun. We had a great time. So I appreciate all of our. Our guests and panelists for joining us today with that. Josh, where can people find you at

[Josh Rayner]

Josh Raynergold on all the socials?

[Tate Brown]

Yeah, thanks for coming out, dude. It was awesome.

[Josh Rayner]

This has been fun.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Rebecca, you can read my byline on the Daily Caller or you can follow me on X at Rebecca Zelko spelled R, E, B, E, K A Z E, L, J, K, O.

[Tate Brown]

Awesome. Well, thank you very much for coming on as well.

[Rebecca Zelko]

Thank you for having me.

[Olivia Dasavic]

Yeah, guys, you should go to timcast.com discord join our members only server. We have a lot of fun in there. And on Fridays we're in here. That's where we take our chats so you can ask us questions directly. I do my best to talk to everybody in the server, so hang out there. But if you want to follow me personally, that's Olivia Dasavic on Instagram and

[Tate Brown]

on X and I messed up the order on the outro. So you're Chris's name popped up under yours. That is Olivia. This is Chris.

[Chris Carr]

Chris.

[Tate Brown]

Where can people find you?

[Chris Carr]

Chris Carr, 17 on X. Check out my substack where I write about film and interesting people. That's kriscarr.substack.com that's car with a K. K A R R. Thanks.

[Josh Rayner]

That's why you asked me about movies?

[Chris Carr]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Carter Banks]

I'm not gonna let you take responsibility for the the outro being messed up because that was on me. Totally my fault. I'm Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere. At Carter Banks official everywhere else. Follow our record label at Trash house Records on YouTube. And yeah, it's been a pretty chill conversation. Thank you all for coming.

[Tate Brown]

I think it's all of our faults. We, we ride together, we die together.

[Chris Carr]

In the words of the girl.

[Tate Brown]

With that, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Realtate Brown. Come give me a follow. And we'll be back on Tuesday with all sorts of Tim cast IRL action for all you guys. Have a great Memorial Day weekend. Put a few burgers on the grill. Your $20 burgers. And thank you very much to all of our fallen service members. Obviously I have a few in my family so we'll be thinking about them throughout the weekend and I imagine a lot of you can relate as well. So thank you to everyone who served and we'll take the weekend obviously to to pay special remembrance for our fallen soldiers. So thank you very much for watching. We'll see you guys next time.