HANTAVIRUS PANDEMIC PANIC, Human To Human Spread Feared w/ Auron McIntyre

Summary

Timcast IRL — HANTAVIRUS PANDEMIC PANIC, Human To Human Spread Feared w/ Auron McIntyre

Date: May 8, 2026
Host: Tim Pool
Guests: Auron McIntyre, Libby Emmons, Ian Crosland, Carter Banks

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL delves into the perceived "Hantavirus pandemic panic" circulating in newsrooms and on social media, juxtaposing the hype with grounded analysis. Host Tim Pool is joined by political commentator Auron McIntyre, journalist Libby Emmons, and co-hosts Ian Crosland and Carter Banks for a deep-dive into the story’s actual significance, the state of the news cycle, current political and cultural divides, celebrity outbursts, civil unrest, technocracy, and more. The conversation is wide-ranging, spiraling from the virus scare into American political identity, culture wars, and AI-driven societal control.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. “Hantavirus Pandemic Panic” – Fact vs. Hysteria

• Media Overhype:
  • Tim Pool sets the tone by criticizing the viral panic over a "Hantavirus pandemic," labeling it “the real story here is that there is no big story” (04:44).
  • Newsrooms are covering the Hantavirus due to a lack of compelling stories, exemplifying the media’s desperation for content.
• Case Details:
  • New cases: Reported on cruise passengers, with a suspected human-to-human transmission via a KLM flight attendant (07:15).
    • Confirmed: 3 deaths, up to 8 potential cases (07:15).
  • “When you look at the numbers year over year, this is not spectacular at all.” — Tim Pool [04:44]
  • Contextualizes Hantavirus as less alarming than past cases and stresses historical perspective.
• Conspiracy Theories and Social Media Rumors:
  • Viral Twitter prophecy from “Soothsayer” (a Bill Gates follower account) predicting Hantavirus pandemic in 2026 (09:51).
• Transmission Explanation:
  • Hantavirus is contracted primarily through inhalation of aerosolized rodent droppings (“rat poop”), with a lengthy 1–8 week incubation period and non-infectious until symptomatic (16:22).

2. Mainstream & Social Media Reactions

• Examples of Media Desperation:
  • Mentions of YouGov poll on “Could Trump beat up an 8-year-old in a fight?” (05:00; 76:14).
  • Mark Hamill’s now-deleted tweet implying Trump should be dead, prompting calls for boycott (19:14).
• Celebrity ‘Assassination Fantasies’:
  • Libby: “I think one thing that happened with that is that we all got kind of immune to celebrities calling for the assassination of the president.” (18:50)
  • Discussion of double standards in cancellation and consequences for left-leaning versus right-leaning figures (23:18, 24:07).

3. Culture War, Political Violence & Polarization

• Escalation of Political Conflict:
  • Auron McIntyre argues, “The left is drawing the very basic conclusion that if they ever lose an election, they basically just need to murder whoever won.” (25:37)
  • The left’s and right’s attitudes towards use and abuse of political power differ, with the left willing to escalate and the right often reticent.
• Broken-Window Policing Analogy:
  • “Once you recognize political violence is on the table, it becomes the only option ... If you don’t nip it in the bud, if you don’t secure the monopoly on violence as the state, someone else will do violence.” — Auron McIntyre [30:39]
• Class Warfare & Elites:
  • Auron: “The elite class will mobilize the lower class to attack the middle class.” (31:32)
  • Mass immigration and leveraging the ‘high and low vs. the middle’ as a political strategy for destabilizing opposition (41:11).

4. America’s Political & Social Identity

• Assimilation, Immigration, and Culture:
  • Debate on American identity, assimilation, and whether shared documents or heritage defines citizenship (60:01–61:30).
• Slavery, Reparations, and Memory:
  • Critique of race-based grievance narratives and education (70:08, 73:28).
  • Testimony of black American embracing U.S. identity but lamenting lost ancestral connections (70:37–71:41).
• Polarization & “No Center”:
  • “Everyone is radicalizing. There is no center anymore. It’s being torn apart.” — Auron McIntyre [27:53]
• Voting and State Migration:
  • “Everyone’s like, ha ha, stupid libs ... Then they move and ... just bring their ideas with them and they just go through the same cycle over and over." — Auron McIntyre [102:08]
  • Floating the idea of voting restrictions or service-based citizenship.

5. Technocracy and AI-Driven Tyranny

• Coming Technofascism:
  • “The only way you can take diverse large groups of people and govern them at scale is through basically technological tyranny. It’s the only option.” — Auron McIntyre [111:27]
  • Host/guests debate if a modern technocracy is preferable to classical communism (108:11).
  • Surveillance, AI manipulation, remote kill-switches in cars, and smart appliances (42:08–107:16).
• Patchwork Societies:
  • Discussion of micro-state, competitive-society ideas (Curtis Yarvin’s "patchwork") — decentralized, voluntary, exit-based governance (112:14).
• Overstimulation & AI Content:
  • Saturation of social/Internet media leading to cultural numbness and “boredom” (98:01).
  • “I think everyone's bored. I think their brains are fried. I think they're overstimulated from AI and the internet.” — Tim Pool [97:51]

6. Alien Disclosure, Religion & Society

• UFO and Alien Speculation:
  • Pentagon UFO briefings, government prepping pastors for disclosure, and the potential impact on faith (88:18; 91:30).
  • Diverse reactions: skepticism, belief that religious people will interpret aliens as demons, and concern over government motives in eroding Christian faith (91:30–95:44).
• Faith, Meditation, and Societal Values:
  • Reflections on religious practice, American Christianity, and the need for virtue over control (87:03–86:31, 94:44).
  • Concerns about post-Christian America (“If you lose the ability to have patience for your enemy, ... you need to maintain these virtues to win a war.” — Ian Crosland [94:44]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The real story here is that there is no big story.” — Tim Pool [04:44]
• “If we really did get widespread hantavirus pandemic, it’s a 40% mortality. I don’t think compliance becomes part of the equation when half of the people are dead.” — Tim Pool [05:09]
• “This hantavirus outbreak they're calling it is unremarkable. And actually, the past several years have been substantially worse than whatever this is.” — Tim Pool [08:18]
• “If you want to spread a global ... If you're a virus and you want to spread globally and infect everyone, you don't want to be super deadly. ... This thing's already too deadly.” — Ian Crosland [15:45]
• “They hate you. They want you dead. It's really sad that conservatives don't have the cultural sticking power to make people pay for this.” — Auron McIntyre [24:07]
• “Our values ... there is no off ramp.” — Tim Pool [41:46]
• “The only way you can take diverse large groups of people and govern them at scale is through basically technological tyranny. It’s the only option.” — Auron McIntyre [111:27]
• “Should Trump run for a third term now?” “[Joking] At that point, let's just, you know, skip over the formalities here and get rid of the running part.” — Tim Pool & Auron McIntyre [58:29–58:32]
• "If we charged money to vote ... Democrats would never win again." — Tim Pool [102:56]
• “I think everyone's bored. I think their brains are fried.” — Tim Pool [97:51]

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Segment Highlights & Timestamps

• Media Hantavirus Panic & Twitter Conspiracy: [04:44 – 11:48]
• LA Political Drama & Mayoral Debate: [08:51 – 09:40]
• Hamill’s Trump Death Tweet & Cancel Culture: [18:32 – 24:07]
• Political Violence, Broken Windows, and State Power: [25:37 – 31:32]
• Class Warfare & Immigration as Political Weapon: [41:11 – 42:46]
• Technocracy, Surveillance, AI, & Patchwork Societies: [42:08 – 113:39]
• Race, Identity, Assimilation: [60:01 – 74:16]
• Alien Disclosure & Religion: [83:04 – 95:44]
• Cultural Overstimulation & Social Media: [97:51 – 98:26]
• Voting Rights & Migration Solutions: [102:08 – 105:08]

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Episode Tone and Language

• Casual and irreverent, blending humor with serious analysis.
• Frequent sarcasm, “meta” jokes about the state of news media, culture wars, and conspiracies.
• Open speculation and playful debate, often with self-aware exaggerations.
• Willingness to discuss “radical” solutions and play devil’s advocate.

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For Those Who Missed It — Takeaways

• The Hantavirus “panic” is overblown; actual threat appears minor and more a symptom of a slow news cycle than an impending crisis.
• Media desperation is driving strange, low-value stories and social-media-propelled freakouts.
• Deep divides persist in U.S. culture and politics, with rising rhetoric on both sides about existential threats and “no center” remaining.
• Technocracy, AI-driven control/surveillance, and “patchwork” microgovernance emerge as potential (or dystopian) future societal answers.
• The team sharply critiques both left and right—celebrities, politicians, and even their own political “side”—while riffing on pop culture and historic parallels.
• In the face of alleged existential crises (pandemic, polarization, AI, aliens), there’s a pervasive sense of societal overstimulation and numbness.
• Listeners are left with an encouragement to think critically about media cycles, question political motivations, and stay grounded in history and civics.

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Transcript

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[Tim Pool]

Toyota let's Go places just in time for a midterm election. It is Hantavirus pandemic panic. That's right. Everyone online is freaking out about the hantavirus. A new reported case in Switzerland. What's going on? In fact, a Twitter account tweeted In 2022, in 2023, the coronavirus pandemic would end. And in 2026, the hantavirus. I'm just gonna tell you right off the bat, I think the real story here is that there is no big story. The news outlets are all fairly desperate for something to cover. And I'm gonna tell you exactly what's going on right off the bat without bearing the lead. But we'll talk about it. I mean, it is interesting. This weird Twitter post is interesting. I think all of the editors in chiefs of these company are sitting around like drooling, going like, is there anything to talk about? And then one editor goes, we can talk about the hantavirus thing on the cruise. And it's like, okay, let's just, just write up what they got. Cuz honestly, when you look at the numbers year over year, this is not spectacular at all. And now you've got posts from like, was it Sarah Palin saying like, do not comply? And I'm sitting here being like, guys, okay, no, I, I get that. But if we really did get widespread hantavirus pandemic, it's a 40% mortality. I don't think compliance becomes part of the equation when half of the people are dead. And I, and I'm not trying to be cute, but we'll talk about it. It's interesting nonetheless to back up my claim that it's a slow news day and that's why this story is going massively viral. There's nothing else. Is also a story from YouGov where they did a poll asking if an 8 year old could beat up Donald Trump winning a fistfight. I'm not kidding. YouGov polled people asking if they thought Trump would win a fist fight with an eight year old. I have to imagine like after the hantavirus stuff, the guys at YouGov are just sitting there like, I really just have nothing. And they're like, you think Trump could beat up a little kid? Let's ask people. That's how desperate they are for news right now. I'm not even joking. So of course there is still a bit we can talk about. We'll get into that. Mark Hamill deleted a tweet where he called for the death of Trump. He really did. And he tried wording it in a weaselly way, but he did. And people were calling for boycotts. And so he, he took the post down. We'll talk about that. It's, it's getting crazy out there. Before we get started, my friends, we've got a great sponsor. It's ourselves. Go to cast brew.com. check out the pooled water 12 pack aluminum bottles. And guess what, we got a special promotion. When you go to check out, use promo code death for 20% off your pool water. Just in the aluminum cans. The bottles you can buy, but these are different products. If you ever wanted to drink pool water, then something is wrong with you. But if you want pool brand water because it's delicious, then you go to Cast Brew and pick up some aluminum can pool water. Also get, we got a bunch of coffee and we got the Mother's Day bundle. Buy it now. It's, you know, a little late to buy it, but if you rush, you might be able to get it in time. Check it out@cast brew.com. don't forget to join us@tim cast.com. it's not what you know, it's who you know. And we got tens of thousands of people hanging out every single day. So if you want to get involved and be a part of the solution, one thing you can do, find a community. And we got one for you. And they want to be friends with you. Some people even got married in the discord. Don't just sit by and let the world pass by, especially when we are in this culture war. Join [e-mail] to support our work and get involved. Also you can share this show with everyone you know. Really does help smash that like button. Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Aaron McIntyre.

[Aaron McIntyre]

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[Ian Crosland]

Well, right on.

[Tim Pool]

Thanks for hanging out. Libby is here.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, I am here. I'm Libby Emmons. Glad to be here with you guys. I'm one of those editors you were talking about who was scrambling for news. And you can also check out my podcast, the Pod Millennial.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm Ian Crosland.

[Tim Pool]

Hello.

[Ian Crosland]

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[Tim Pool]

I'm Carter Banks. Same as what Ian said, Tim. Let's get in. Let's go. Here's a story from the Washington Post. Authorities scramble to limit hantavirus outbreak. Trace contacts around the globe. U.S. officials in at least five states, Arizona, California, Georgia, Texas, Virginia are monitoring systems of seven returning passengers. And so when I saw this story, and you've got these reports, they're saying now that there's a reported case in Switzerland. Let me break it down for you. The only thing that's somewhat alarming is this story from Dutch news. A KLM flight attendant has been hospitalized with suspected hantavirus. And the reason why this one matters. This person was not on the boat. She just came into contact with someone who did go on the boat and then died. So there is concern that this may be spreading human to human. I just want to stress this, though. The person in Switzerland was apparently on the boat. And when they got off the boat and heard about it, they went to the hospital and they're like, you might actually have this, too. So far, I think now we have three confirmed deaths, potentially eight cases we're not. That are not confirmed, not lab tested. We don't know. But I can say I can confirm. Desperate newsrooms around the globe are running this story and screeching like banshees because there was just nothing else to really talk about. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna tell you this because Libby's here to attest to this fact, but even here, I actually just didn't. I only did a short version of my morning show. I only did about. About 45 minutes, because going through all the news, I was like, look, Mark Hamill called for the President to be killed or to die or whatever. That's news. Then I was just like, people are talking about hantavirus. I did my research, and I found that this hantavirus outbreak they're calling it is unremarkable. And actually, the past several years have been substantially worse than. Than whatever this is. And I was like, is that what it is? Because we're sitting here and I'm going like, I'm in the slack. Like, guys, is this big news? And people are, like, shrugging. And I'm sure that's what's happening with Libby, right?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. But I will say that I dug deep and found more and better news. Like, there was a mayoral debate in LA last night that was pretty good. Spencer Pratt really did a great job against Karen Bass and Nia Raman. So we'll.

[Tim Pool]

Apparently, one of the big stories is that Karen Bass admitted the reservoir was supposed to be used for fire.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, she did. She said a million years ago it was used for fires, but recently we've been using it for drinking water. And when Spencer Pratt was like, these are for fires? Why were they Drained. So that was.

[Tim Pool]

I thought she apparently admitted it. Yeah, she said, well, they are for fires and that opens them up to civil liability. Which is great.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, which is good. And Spencer Pratt said on the debate stage, you know, I blame you for burning down my house and my parents house and all of my neighbors homes, my kids school and everything else.

[Tim Pool]

Well, but let's, let's.

[Libby Emmons]

I thought that was good.

[Ian Crosland]

But yeah. Back to the Hansa for a second.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Conspiracy theory. Do you think that. Sponsored by Pfizer. I'm just calling out like I remember the news where it was like sponsors. What's this?

[Tim Pool]

June 11, 2022. Soothsayer. This is an account that I guess says reads the future. And you know, Star of Venus, eye of horse. They said 2023, Corona ended 2026. Hantavirus.

[Ian Crosland]

Hanta Hunter.

[Tim Pool]

I was looking into the people they were following and one of them was Bill Gates. Wait, what? Yeah, following like 18 people and like one of them is Bill Gates.

[Ian Crosland]

Finger on the pulse.

[Tim Pool]

Following black hole.

[Libby Emmons]

Didn't Gene Hackman wife die of hantavirus? Yes, Recently. So.

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[Libby Emmons]

And hantavirus, that's the thing where you like we were talking about this in the chat today because as you said there wasn't that much to talk about. Isn't. It's the thing where it's like rat poop, basically.

[Ian Crosland]

That's how.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that's how you get it. You just breathe in.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

The rat poop.

[Ian Crosland]

Is that what it is? You breathe it in.

[Libby Emmons]

I think you breathe it in. I can't imagine that is indeed ships. It just seems like a plague ship to me.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the sanitation. So take. Take a look. Someone actually made a website. You want to know what's really crazy about this? You see this website, you're like, wow, Hanta tracker. You can go on Claude and literally just type in. Make a website that shows the globe and tracks hantavirus by country. And it'll do it in 20 seconds. And then you can just upload it and run it. Yes, which I would not be surprised if. What? It's what they did.

[Ian Crosland]

This is what. This is the intensity of outbreak per nation. And that's.

[Tim Pool]

No, this is the amount of news articles, I guess.

[Ian Crosland]

So it is the reason I brought it up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Look at this. There's nine cases and three deaths and someone made a global haunted trigger. Guys, listen, I understand like this, this. I love this story with Susay soothsayer because the conspiracy stuff is much more fun. There's like four tweets and one of them is hantavirus. And I'm just imagining like Bill Gates has an intern, some like 24 year old chick, and she's like doing selfies and she's like, I can see the future with astrology. And then Bill Gates walked in and goes, I think after coronavirus is over in 23, we should launch the hantavirus. And then she's just texting, she's like, yeah, this thing.

[Ian Crosland]

What I wonder is, is the news slow today because the people that are trying to produce a global pandemic wanted to shut down all the other news so everyone could focus on hantavirus, they could cause panic and then they could start building vaccines for it. Like, that's my crazy.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think it's been slow all week.

[Tim Pool]

I think, I think it's been, it's, it's like, it's like wavy. You know, we've had like big, big story and then like, yeah, kind of nothing.

[Libby Emmons]

And also part of it is that no one wants to talk about the war.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, I was going to say talk about.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, that's the thing.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, my conspiracy theory is that. Well, it's not my, I'm going to say a conspiracy theory that I think is fun is Donald Trump was like, we nuked usaid. We've stripped the liberal economic order of their, of their cycle of money. Now we need to build up our own. So what he does is he's like, okay, every other week I'm going to announce the war is over so that prices drop as soon as I fire another missile, short them again, you know, buy in, it goes to the top, sell short, then I'll announce the war is over, it'll go down and they're just, they're just funneling money to like a vacuum cleaner.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Fascinating aspect of one of your opponents real weapons being your own nation's economy. Like, Iran knows it could never actually militarily destroy the United States, but it does know that it's basically sitting on this massive resource and ultimately it can control the flow of economic output. And so, you know, you have this phenomenon where Trump is literally fighting the wars over the weekend so they don't impact the markets and then declaring them over during the week and then going back and he's just cycling over and over again. So it creates this really strange dynamic where like there are these little bursts of conflict whenever they won't wreck the market and then they pull it back in just in time to set everything back on course. And that's to remove Iran's ability to ultimately tank the markets and create economic pain on the United States, which is their greatest weapon. They're never going to win with missiles. They're going to win by harming the stock market, and Donald Trump knows that. That's why they're fighting the war the way they are.

[Ian Crosland]

Do you think that the market should be 7 days a week, 24 hours? 7 day a week? Because that's how the crypto markets are.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, No, I don't think it should be at all. I think. I think we should go back to, like, when stores were all closed on Sunday and there was just a day when nobody could get anything done.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'm a massive supporter.

[Tim Pool]

I'm going to go ahead and just say that this. The flow of this conversation leaves me vindicating that not even any of you care about Hans. No, it's just another.

[Ian Crosland]

The thing about COVID This is what I remember the day it happened. I was like, wow. Because I'm being a manifestation of the future. I'm like, if we pretend like this is going to be a big deal, is it going to become a global pandemic? And I'm like, wow, what if it did hyperstician? Yeah. And then it did. And I was like, wow, what if we just dismissed it? Would it have just went away? Would that have been like another flu? Like, were you.

[Tim Pool]

Were you in Jersey with us when it started? Yeah, because I remember we were in the basement and I remember when Trump made the announcement in March, like, we're shutting the country down. And we were like, we're talking to you about it.

[Ian Crosland]

Like, it was in March, February, March, March. It was super early. We were like.

[Tim Pool]

And that's when we put all the gold bars in the wall to hide it. Oh, I mean, it sounds like. Did we get those? Yeah, they're here.

[Ian Crosland]

I don't even know you're talking about.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Again, it is an interesting dynamic that, like, Trump's relatively successful first term was completely train wrecked because of the pandemic and everything that came after it, all the madness. And then basically halfway through a presidency. You're also seeing another story about pandemics. This one seems less likely to take over, but this isn't the first time.

[Tim Pool]

Was there. Wasn't there another story in 2024 or something where people were like, oh, man. Oh, there was a gay sex bug?

[Ian Crosland]

I don't know.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, yeah, that was gay sex bug.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, the monkey.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but that. That was during Biden.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Small children and dogs kept coming down with it.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. That was.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We needed to make that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, because as everybody, as everybody knows, kids and dogs like being friends with monkeys.

[Ian Crosland]

They won't touch poop. I think that's why.

[Tim Pool]

But it was like, hold on, what if, what if this is Donald Trump being like, we're gonna do our own pandemic. We're gonna take their idea, use it against them. But this time he used an actually

[Ian Crosland]

deadly one just to put people at ease. I'm not a doctor, but I have played Plague Inc. And I know that if you want to spread a global. If you're a virus and you wanna spread globally and infect everyone, you don't wanna be super deadly. You wanna be very infective but not deadly, so that everyone gets it without knowing they have it. And then you mutate and become deadly. And then everyone's like, ah, I'm stuck. But this thing's already too deadly.

[Libby Emmons]

This one already starts as deadly. That's. Yeah, but you, you, you had gold bars in the walls. My great.

[Tim Pool]

We actually didn't know.

[Libby Emmons]

You didn't know? My great aunt was married to a mafia doctor and they lived in Vegas and they literally stacked bills in the walls.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, it's terrible idea.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Bills are worthless. Here's the thing, that's what they Virus is not transmissible during incubation. So it's a one to eight week incubation. And if you did somehow get it, it's not contagious until you're symptomatic and by then you are seriously ill. Like pneumonia style liquid. Yeah. Like anybody who's played Plague Inc. Like Ian mentioned, in order to infect the whole world, it has to be a somewhat negligible high transmissible virus. If a virus is too deadly, then whether people want to spread it or not, they die. And then it stops spreading.

[Ian Crosland]

Unless the dead bodies can spread it, which is another type of mutation, but

[Tim Pool]

it's not real common. What's really funny about Ebola, do you know about what happens in Africa with Ebola?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I do not.

[Tim Pool]

The, the locals, the indigenous in these countries, believe that the white man is experimenting on them and trying to kill them. So they intentionally break quarantine and bring their sick, or break into and grab the sick people and run away. And that's why it's really hard to contain Ebola.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You know, then you also have, like with South Africa, they think AIDS is magic. They think it's a magical spell that you have to transfer to someone else to curse them. So they'll stick, stick a needle in their arm and Then stick a random person in like, like a tourist with it.

[Libby Emmons]

They also think that it can be cured by having sex with infants or something.

[Tim Pool]

They do. That's why South Africa has the highest instance of oh my gosh.

[Aaron McIntyre]

There's also the dry sex, which is what often makes it very prevalent in Africa. So dry sex, you don't want to know.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, my mind's racing.

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[Tim Pool]

And so anyway, the hantavirus killing people, that's too bad.

[Ian Crosland]

I feel these people.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, legit. Like this morning I saw Mark Hamill was like calling for Trump to die. And I was like, wow, that's crazy. But I don't know how much I care because it's like the 18th celebrity to do it in the past couple of weeks. So.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, you know, I think, I think one thing that happened with that is that we all got kind of immune to celebrities call calling for the assassination of the president. And so we stopped really talking about it that much. And I think it's time to start talking about it again. Mark Hamill was calling for the assassination of Donald Trump. You had Justin Pearson in the Tennessee legislature who's very outspoken, blah, blah, blah. He was calling, he was saying Trump is a domestic terrorist.

[Tim Pool]

You have people, let's pull it up, let's grab this. So we got this from the post. Millennial Mark Hamill deleted his Trump death post and apologized if people found it inappropriate. He posted this picture of Trump who apparently died two years ago and it said if only. It said if only on it. And then afterwards he said he could. What did it say? Like he would live to be held accountable, something. So the implication was either he is going to die or if only he would die.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And that's Mark. And then I guess what people were calling for a boycott or something. Yeah, we have this story as well.

[Libby Emmons]

And some other people were calling to boycott the upcoming. What is it? Mandalorian and Grogu.

[Tim Pool]

He's in it.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know, but I mean, I forgot that.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait. People actually watch that stuff?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Now, I watched Daredevil season finale and it was fantastic. Okay. And then I watched the Boys and I gotta be honest, you know what? The Boys does really well if they, if they. You know, here's what I think happens. Last season on the Boys, Frenchie just became gay for some reason. Do you guys watch this? Like, watch it the whole seat, the whole show. Frenchie's like trying to Mac this Asian chick and then all of a sudden he's like, oh, so I am gay for some reason. Just for like two episodes. And you know what I think it is? The last episode had nothing to do with Trump. Nothing to do with Trump or Antifa or anything. I think there's a handful of writers that are just like gooning to being like, yeah, Trump is bad. And so the episodes like are schizophrenic. So like yesterday's episode had nothing to do with politics and it was really good.

[Libby Emmons]

It depends on who's. Who's lead chair. Yeah, yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So anyway, Kripke's a pretty horrific individual, but who? Kripke, the guy who runs the show.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, I stopped watching it in season one halfway through the. They had to make some incredibly lazy storyline about how the Christian conservatives were the real evil people and they are all secretly gay child molesters. And it's like, oh, so this again, it's all anti white, anti Christian show.

[Tim Pool]

Big surprise when the episodes don't contain that. It's a really great show. And then when it does, you're like, here we go again. But anyway, my point is Star wars is trash anyway. And I don't know why anybody would want to watch it at this point.

[Libby Emmons]

No.

[Tim Pool]

And it's. And it's like it was funny when they came out with the sequels and Mark Hamill was actually protest. He was complaining the whole time about how bad they were and then eventually just goes, yeah, okay, I guess they're good. And it's like, you're a coward like he is.

[Libby Emmons]

And he hasn't had a decent part other than Skywalker.

[Tim Pool]

He's Joker.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And he's a memorable.

[Tim Pool]

He is. He's the best joker there ever has been.

[Libby Emmons]

No, that kind of in.

[Tim Pool]

In. In all the video games and animated films, animated series for 30 years, he is the best Joker. And it's fascinating people don't know this. He was a relatively young man when he started voicing the Joker.

[Ian Crosland]

You know, full, full disclosure. I love his act. I thought he was a little campy. I mean Mark, you probably think you were campy in Star wars in the first one because everybody was campy in it. That's how George was 70s.

[Libby Emmons]

That's how it goes.

[Ian Crosland]

But Spectacular Actor doesn't agree with all your political opinions, brother.

[Tim Pool]

But we all like Heath Ledger's Joker. But that's like a unique thing in terms of. There is, there's a couple. There's, there's, there's really just one Batman and there's really just one Joker.

[Ian Crosland]

Michael Keaton. No, that was my, that's why I

[Tim Pool]

was raised Jack Nicholson, Keaton, incorrect. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill, who's, who's.

[Aaron McIntyre]

He's also the cartoon Batman.

[Tim Pool]

He died, rest in peace. But for what, 30 years he was Batman in everything. And he had the perfect voice for Batman.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Mark Hamill really has the best voice for Batman beyond.

[Aaron McIntyre]

He was in all the video games. He was in the original cartoon.

[Tim Pool]

Dude. It's unquestionably the best voice for Batman.

[Ian Crosland]

No, no doubt voice.

[Tim Pool]

But what do you think best actor was ever.

[Ian Crosland]

Now most people say it's Christian Bale. I think.

[Tim Pool]

Correct.

[Ian Crosland]

Maybe that's because they have only seen Christian Bale. And like Michael, all of the movie

[Tim Pool]

Batmans are just interesting one off. You know, Kevin Conroy is iconic Batman acting. He nailed it.

[Ian Crosland]

I believe it. I mean you're the.

[Tim Pool]

And again, again, shout to Mark Hamill. His Joker is the best joker. It's absolutely incredible. That being said, he's insane.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, remember that Disney fired Gina Carano, her comments, right. So Mark Hamill not going to get fired over this obviously because he's like core to the franchise and because Disney obviously agrees with this. So they absolutely, you know, should lose everything on this. It would be great. That movie was already, as I understand, considered to be like downscaled when it came to audience size. Like they had already, well, overspent and were trying to turn down expectations because they knew it wasn't going to do that well. But let's hope this absolutely tanks it because these people are insane. They hate you, they want you dead. It's really sad that conservatives don't have the cultural sticking power to make people pay for this. When Jimmy Kimmel did his, you know, monologue on Charlie Kirk's assassination, me and Benny Johnson worked as hard as we could to get that guy fired and him talk taken off, you know, the air for like a week or something,

[Libby Emmons]

which it was, it was like, it was like four or five.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right? Exactly. Like, it wasn't even able to stick. So even in that moment where, like, someone had literally been murdered in front of everyone and there was, like, the most amount of ferocity you would ever see from the conservative movement over it, even in that moment, it was difficult to leverage that for a full cancellation for a guy like Jimmy Kimmel, who's an absolute loser anyway. So I hate to say that I don't think conservatives are going to make any real hay about this, but they absolutely should. There's no reason you should give people who want to kill you your money. Like, you really deserve what you get if you keep doing that.

[Tim Pool]

You think it's because he's real quick. He's also got a recurring role in Invincible, which is a massive show.

[Libby Emmons]

Great.

[Tim Pool]

Just launched a new video game.

[Libby Emmons]

So Mark Hamill is Invincible?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Libby Emmons]

Who is he?

[Tim Pool]

In Invincible, he plays Art Rosenbaum. He plays the costume maker. So it's a. It's a. It's a bit part. It's not. Well, it's not a bit parts. A recurring role, but. Come on.

[Libby Emmons]

Like, it's a key part. I mean, it's.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. Like, he's. He's in all the seasons I like,

[Ian Crosland]

in Star Wars Episode 4, 5, and 6. You know, the first three, how he became a better actor from into the second one, and then by the third one, like, he's embodied this Jedi. Like, he truly became. Like, the force flowed through Mark Hamill to play Luke Skywalker. I believe that that was my favorite movie growing up was Return of the Jedi. Dude. That being said, that was all I had to say.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Ian Crosland]

I was gonna say something else, but I got sidetracked by how awesome Mark

[Libby Emmons]

Hamill is in Star wars, and now he calls for the assassination of the president, and so do most of the people in Hollywood.

[Ian Crosland]

So you said that they want to kill you. I'm not sure. Are you being hyperbolic, or do you mean like global economic. Economic order. Banking systems would rather see American citizens dead than deal with them?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, I mean, the left sees our politics are quickly becoming existential in a way that Americans are simply not prepared for. Like, we have this belief that really we just peacefully transfer power, and that's how the system works. And it's been true for a while in the United States. But realistically, that's just not over history, how politics works. And we're entering a moment in which we have become so divided that there's simply no way that you're going to heal this thing. We're not going to talk it out or have some kind of rational conversation about what's going on. So the left is drawing the very basic conclusion that if they ever lose a election, they basically just need to murder whoever won. Like, that really is their absolute understanding of what's going on here. And they have not received enough of a penalty for their repeated attempts to do so. So it's just going to keep escalating until the right takes it seriously, which they seem pretty determined not to.

[Tim Pool]

I need to give some context, too, for a lot of people just don't understand. Mark Hamill is Luke Skywalker and the Joker, probably his. I would argue the Joker is a more iconic role. It's. It was for he. For 30 years. He played the Joker in all of these mediums. And a lot of people don't realize this.

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[Libby Emmons]

Batman, the Animated Series.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, bucko. I'd be a little more careful with the luggage if I were you.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Otherwise you might lose your tip, not

[Tim Pool]

to mention your head.

[Libby Emmons]

Only Mark Hamill's Joker could make an

[Tim Pool]

answering machine greeting so terrifying. Anyway, the point is, that was an example of him voicing the Joker, and he's in the video game and he's got actually some really horrifying lines in the games when they make Joker actually murder people and stuff like that. Yeah. But anyway, back to your point. Sorry for. We can go back to these people. Cannot. We cannot reconcile our differences. They want to kill us. So you were saying.

[Ian Crosland]

I spent a lot of time with, like, moderate liberals, so I think that's why when I'm around liberal people, they're usually pretty moderate. So I don't see the extreme that you have noticed or like that. You see the scale. You tend to see things in scales, I think, too, like, historically.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, there was this fascinating thing the other day where Stephen Colbert was interviewing Obama and they were talking about if Mamdani is the future of the Democrat Party. And they agreed that, you know, he probably is. And Colbert said something really fascinating, which was, he said, my kids come up to me and they say, dad, you're a liberal. We're leftists. Yeah, I think that's what we're.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, yeah. Everyone is radicalizing. There is no center anymore. It's being torn apart. And that's not a mistake. That is both the natural gradient that the dialectic is going to take and the intentional way it's being pushed by many different actors. There was just a piece in Compact magazine. They were the people who did that piece about Basically how all the white guys had been frozen out of hiring and media and corporations. And they did a follow up piece on medical stuff. And basically it's this guy talking about coming in after the day that Charlie Kirk got shot. And basically all of the nurses, all of the doctors are just laughing, you know, celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, talking about how he deserved it. What a fascist. What a white supremacist. These are the people who are responsible for your medical care. They're the people who have you under the knife. And if they find out you're a conservative, what happens next? Like, people do not understand how deep this runs.

[Tim Pool]

Well, conservatives are unwilling to use power. What I will say is in the redistricting fight, it looks surprisingly like the conservatives are actually fighting. Right?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Much better.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I mean, the Supreme Court justices fighting. I was, I was actually surprised by that.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, Clarence Thomas is such a.

[Tim Pool]

Well, Alito and Thomas always have, but the other conservative justices have finally gotten on board with it. And it's like, hey, maybe Brett Kavanaugh realized they would actually kill him and his family. At this time.

[Ian Crosland]

I think the Trump admin is probably concerned with biting the trap that the communists will lay out, which is like Saul Alinsky's rule for radicals. You want the opponent to become the fascist by cracking down on your street violence so that you can rally your communist allies to say, see, we told you they are fascists. Now we need a communist revolution. So we talk about that on this show. I hope there's people in the Trump admin that watch this show and have understood that rule. That's a basic radical leftist rule. So that's why I think they're not slamming down hard with hard power and they're doing things like USAID and unraveling things behind the scenes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I disagree significantly. If you look at history, if you look at something like the Spanish Civil War and the escalation going into it, it was the fact that the right wing, that the standing government was not willing to deal with what was going on. The continuous assassination of right wingers is actually what eventually drove people towards someone like a Francisco Franco to solve the problem. So if you crack down early and hard, you end up in a scenario where people don't believe they can get away with violence and you don't see the spiral of escalation. But when you allow that, you build this basically broken windows scenario. I'm sure you're familiar with broken windows policing the idea that if you allow these in your neighborhood, it's only going to get worse. Because people see it's allowable and they don't care to take care of the thing around them. Same thing is true with political violence. Once you recognize that political violence is on the table, it becomes the only option. It becomes the superior strategy in every scenario. So if you don't nip it in the bud, if you don't secure the monopoly on violence as the state, someone else will do violence. And if you allow these radical leftists to do it, it will only get worse.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, and we're in a situation now where people who follow the laws are held accountable to the laws. And if you don't follow the laws and you're just a criminal, you're not held accountable at all. We've seen so many people and so many stories of people getting off after committing rapes or murders or really vile things being said that they are not mentally capable to stand trial, but for some reason they're mentally capable to wander around society and. And kill people.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. Sam Francis called this anarcho tyranny. And again, it's an intentional strategy that this is not a mistake. When you recognize that you can leverage the lower classes against the middle class that actually have the power to change things. The capital, the votes, the organization. You can actually destroy all of your up and coming opponents while maintaining your own power as an elite. So this is actually a surprisingly, you know, active strategy. It's not some mistake because our elites are stupid.

[Libby Emmons]

So it's effective and intentional that the

[Ian Crosland]

elite class will mobilize the lower class to attack the middle class.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes. High and low versus middle. You kill. You always kill the. You always kill the landowners, you always kill the kulaks, you always kill the people. Because they're the only Cambodia who can ascend. They're the only people who have the money, the strategy, the leisure time to organize politically and fight back against the higher class. Lower classes are never able to do that. They're always a tool of elites that are able to organize for them.

[Ian Crosland]

So what's this phenomenon of like rich kids that join antifa?

[Libby Emmons]

They're the, they're the elites who are controlling classes. It's the same thing.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, was that. I wasn't in. I wasn't in.

[Tim Pool]

I thought I was going like this.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, I was trying to angle, like

[Libby Emmons]

if you look at mom. Donnie, right. Mom. Dani is a rich kid. His parents are, you know, internationally well

[Tim Pool]

naturalized and deport and all of this stuff.

[Libby Emmons]

And they've got their compound in Uganda, so they can, I think right back. But he's mobilizing the lower classes against the middle. And that's why you even have black middle class homeowners in New York City being like, what the hell are you doing? I think, why are you depriving us of our wealth?

[Tim Pool]

That we, in any functioning country. The moment Mamdani said that he would defy the will of the American voters to protect illegal immigrants in this country, the federal government would intervene, issue emergency management, some kind of like reconstruction era move. But I don't know if we have any kind of real strength in our political class. I don't know if Donald Trump has the strength for this kind of thing. I can't imagine they're unaware of it. I mean, Harmeet Dylan especially has to be aware of it.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, she's working hard at this. She just, she just brought, she's working against ucla, David Geffen School of Medicine or whatever it is right now. And she said that she found that they were absolutely discriminating against white and Asian students. And she's, you know, working to hold them accountable for that. But after Mom, Donnie, I had a similar thought. I was like, you know, Trump's gonna have to do something about this. This is is crazy.

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[Libby Emmons]

With Instacart, you've got the socialist running our biggest and most important city. And instead, Mamdani was invited into the halls of power to palate the other powerful guy. And it was just like, oh, look, too powerful. We're in control and we get nothing.

[Tim Pool]

It's not about the Asian stuff or the affirmative action, whatever. That's a culture war thing. What Mamdani represented when he campaigned explicitly on I know what the American people have voted for, and I will weaponize the wealth and resources of this city against them. That is a. That person should be charged with sedition. Instead, Trump invites him to the White House.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, he, I think, because he just said he was going to do it.

[Tim Pool]

He is doing it. He said it again. He said it again.

[Ian Crosland]

But saying it, saying I'm going to do a crime is not illegal.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no. Sedition is when you. You can speak sedition, but saying, I'm

[Ian Crosland]

going to prevent you from doing something lawful, I don't think that's enough. You gotta. Actually, they're probably watching him now and they're like, okay, when he does it, get him.

[Libby Emmons]

But no, they're not.

[Tim Pool]

Sedition is when you rally people to corrupt the government.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We've actually dealt with this multiple times in our nation's history. We called this the nullification crisis because there was a question as to whether or not the state legislatures had to enforce federal law, whether they could choose to basically ignore it because they were sovereign entities under the Constitution. And Andrew Jackson basically said, yeah, you're going to do what I tell you to do and threaten to, you know, use serious force. But this was an open question for a long time in America. It was supposed to be resolved after the nullification crisis. But it turns out that most of the time it's, you know, one side that gets away with basically ignoring the law. I mean, how long did we have sanctuary cities in the United States? Flagrant violations of law, obvious instance of nullification. No one did anything about it.

[Libby Emmons]

But we've had them since Vietnam.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Absolutely. And then the right, when they came, are in those situations, never do anything like that.

[Tim Pool]

So now, recently, you have again, nullification with Mamdani holding a press conference saying, we will not comply with federal law enforcement on immigration. So here's a guy who campaigned saying, if you vote for me, vote for me in this city, I will fight against the American people. That's what he said explicitly. Well, I'm paraphrasing.

[Ian Crosland]

Against the federal government. Against the federal.

[Tim Pool]

No, against the American people.

[Ian Crosland]

Not every American person.

[Tim Pool]

The American people voted on a top issue, which was immigration, with even black voters in Chicago saying, we are being replaced. Donald Trump wins the plurality with a mandate. The people want immigration enforced. Mamdani went to New Yorkers and said, vote for me and I will fight them. I will stop them. And he's actively been doing it. He should be criminally charged with sedition for this. Instead, Trump invites in the White House and says, oh, I like him. So.

[Libby Emmons]

And they're pals. And Mamdani has said that he gives Trump a call, you know, and the two of them love New York City, and so they want to do what's best for the city. But you have him also extorting Kathy Hochul. Like, there's billions more dollars in the New York State budget for New York City this year than there was last year. All of his programs are these, like, deep entrenched social programs. And once they're in place, it's going to be really hard to get rid of them.

[Tim Pool]

No, I really, I really love how Daredevil season two. You know what, actually this is really interesting. The Boys this season accidentally, like, crop dusted reality with Trump, and Daredevil is accidentally crop dusting with Mandani. So have you guys watched the Boys or Daredevil season? Daredevil Born Again, season two.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Not the second season. I saw the first one.

[Tim Pool]

So the Boys, of course, is somewhat frustrating in that they really just ham it up like Trump, you know, his Homelander. And it's kind of weird to be like, trump is Superman as an insult, Seriously. So they just make him an asshole and it's like, okay. But they had a, an episode of the Boys where Homelander hallucinates the. This, this woman he used to suckle on. Literally suckle on, because, like, they're obsessed with it. And he says, I'm. I'm. It's like, it's like she floats to him as an angel, has a vision, and he says, I'm the savior. I'm the messiah or whatever. And Trump put out that meme and everybody was like, this is really weird. And then you actually have in one of the later episodes. Again, these episodes are written and filmed before everything where they're talking about efforts taken by Homelander, who is manipulating the president, are going to cause a spike in oil prices and OPEC will revolt and it's going to cut off the West. So the US Is now ramping up oil production and they're building an oil pipeline. And I'm like, you know, here's the thing. Daredevil season two is about Kingpin, a charismatic, charismatic criminal, rallies all the people and they all support him. They vote for him. He becomes despotic. Try. I don't want spoiler Alert, I guess, goes to war with the governor, threatens her and makes demands from her. She refuses, tries to have her assassinated again. I'm not suggesting someone's doing those things, but it is interesting how Daredevil season two is about a corrupt mayor taking over, claiming he loves the city and threatening the governor and then trying to kill her. And then Daredevil has to fight the mayor. And I'm like, you know, now what I will say is the cops are actually not the bad guys. There's a rogue task force, so we're not really there yet. But I did very much Enjoy Daredevil Season 2. They're not doing like a Trump thing. Kingpin is kingpin. He has his own armed force with illegal weapons that they brought in. And the cops stand against them in the end. But I just thought it was funny that, you know, these two shows are kind of, you know. Although they'll probably argue, no, no, Zoran Mandani is the good guy.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm like, yeah, no, no, he's definitely not the good guy. Definitely not.

[Tim Pool]

How much of is it, is it that Zoran Mamdani is just cognitively impaired?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think he's at all cognitively impaired. I think that he is. Everything that he's doing is intentional and on purpose and that he is seeking to create New York City as a some sort of socialist utopia where everyone relies on the government for everything from transportation to food to employment to health care to child care to anything else he can come up with. That's the plan. The plan is to deprive Americans of their rights by replacing liberty with ease. And, you know, people are so uneducated at this point with a sixth grade education that they're gonna go along with it. And so the failure is going back to the educational system where no one has learned civics, no one has learned about our founding documents. Very few have. You know, I mean, my son has for sure, but that's because he's inquisitive and me and his dad teach him all that stuff. But, yeah, that's what's going to happen. And by the time Americans are completely deprived of their liberty and they have what they think is an easy life and they're thoroughly controlled, it's going to be way too late.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, and this is also why you're getting lots of mass immigration, right? Because again, it's low and high versus the middle. Not only do you have these students who aren't learning about it, you have a lot of immigrants who come in who just have no connection to the tradition. They're not familiar with the history. They don't care about these expectations. And what they walk in is like, well, even a bad life in America is way better than the life I had back there. So I'll do and vote for, you know, do whatever Democrats say. I'll vote for whatever they want because they're going to give me stuff. And I don't have that back home and I certainly don't have it now that I've moved here. So you're basically moving in an entire underclass yet again that you can use to leverage against existing Americans that might be able to oppose what you're doing.

[Libby Emmons]

And I think our values.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

There's no off ramp. Right. With the redistricting war, we're seeing hyperpolarization. But there is a solution. Artificial intelligence surveillance. You either hook the electrode to the brain and stimulate the dopamine until they don't work anymore, or you track them with AI surveillance and remove them from the equation before they can become a problem.

[Libby Emmons]

Illegal immigrants or just.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I'm saying if you are the powers that be and you were like, oh, we brought in all these immigrants and now there's gonna be a civil war. You say, okay, blast out AI. So the people who fall into the AI trap and just basically self gratify all day will disappear. Anybody who tries to stand up will track with mass surveillance and then just remove them on some fake. Your face was identified by a camera.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, and they'll give you all kinds of stuff for that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And that is in no way a conspiracy theory.

[Libby Emmons]

That's literally just what's happening.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All of our tech alerts are running towards the solution. This is why every single guy is currently obsessed with AI because they know this is the only way they continue to, to rule at scale. It's the only way they can control the population.

[Tim Pool]

Don't you want to just like put on the VR headset and go to a world exactly as you would describe it?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, and we've already, you know, putting kill switches in every car in the United States is the current plan that both parties are for some reason rubber stamping. So it's very.

[Libby Emmons]

Let me ask you, you should go against it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Our ancestors fought over tea tax and

[Libby Emmons]

we're just going willingly?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Let me ask you, let's say, you know, like one day government dudes, men in black show up to your house or whatever and they're like, you know, you're a problem for what we're doing. So we're Gonna give you a choice. You can stop doing politics and we'll pay you. Just never do politics again. Disappear. Here's a VR helmet. You can put it on, play video games all day, order pizza, or solitary confinement. Confinement and merciless beatings. Which would you pick?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, the option is go down shooting, right? Like at that point, there's no reason to live in a virtual world like that. There's nothing real there. There's no.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't mean literally. I'm saying like, we'll pay you to shut up.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

No, I'm saying like play video games all day. Here's money, you'll have a salary. You can just go away and let us take over.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, our sci fi authors told us about this already. You know, we have Fahrenheit 451. I'm dedicated to being the house on the street that doesn't have the blue light coming from it.

[Tim Pool]

You know? You know, you know what we should do? You know what I want to do? I want to launch an advertising firm and then I just want to just offer money to various political commentators for what seemingly would be like normal products, just to see who would take it. And the products will always be like, you know, this is a really good idea actually. This would be a great culture jam. You know, with the Animal Farm thing, we saw a ton of conservatives shill for communism because they were paid to do it. But it would be funny to do the inverse to liberals and. And some more conservatives too. I'd love to rep them all up. And then you like launch a product where it seems somewhat normal. Like, you know, it's a face cream and it's like, yeah, it's like to clear up your acne. It's like organic. But then it turns out it's made with like aborted baby parts. And it's like, see how many conservatives would sell that? Cuz they'd probably all do it.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, they wouldn't notice.

[Tim Pool]

They wouldn't, they wouldn't look into it. You put on the website, be like, made with the board, baby.

[Libby Emmons]

That whole thing where you were going against the Animal Farm, my son was like, why does Tim hate this Animal Farm? What's up with it? And I told him like the whole thing and he was like, oh. And then he comes, he comes home yesterday, he's like. So I watched the 1958 Animal Farm. It was really good. Like, he like went and found the.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that was made by the CIA.

[Libby Emmons]

The old one?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the cartoon.

[Libby Emmons]

Interesting.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, because they Were like, hey, look, communism is bad. Everybody watch. And it bombed. Like people didn't care.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, he, it worked. My son came home and said, communism is so.

[Tim Pool]

Let me, let me ask you guys this. Would you be happy if the government started funding anti communist propaganda? Like, let's say Donald Trump was like, we're going to be launching a new media division, $1 billion in grants for content creators, and then they, like, gave seamus Coughlin, like, $10 million to make cartoons.

[Ian Crosland]

Depends on how they do it. Because I really don't like when people say, I hate communists. Communists are the problem. Because I think communism is the problem. If it was to move to educate people about the dangers of communism, I'm in.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like they've spent a lot more money on stuff that we don't need. So. But to the question, would you be upset if Donald Trump said we're going to allocate public funding towards anti communist propaganda?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Absolutely not. We already allocate massive amounts of funding to communist propaganda. We call it public schools. So. Yeah, no, it would be nice to have a little bit of a switch up there.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. I mean, I'd like to see an end to the propagandist funding of our textbooks, making them, you know, pro Islam and all the rest of it. I'd rather see anti communist propaganda than anything else being said. I'd rather just have good schools where people can learn how to think for themselves. And what if.

[Tim Pool]

How would you feel about Trump announcing he was going to be enforcing the ban on communism, which is still law?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't know what that looks like. What, a ban on communism?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Somebody who is an avowed communist can no longer run for office. Disqualified from office. They can't. They, they're, they're exceptions to the Civil Rights Act.

[Ian Crosland]

I mean, I think it's fair if you're, if you're a devout monarchist, you shouldn't be running for public office in the United States.

[Libby Emmons]

You're allowed to be king.

[Tim Pool]

What was the, what was the law called?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't remember. What was this?

[Tim Pool]

McCarthy, the anti communism bill.

[Libby Emmons]

This was like the McCarthy stuff.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. You know that Communists are exempt from the Civil Rights Act, Right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, I believe that Communists shouldn't have civil rights.

[Tim Pool]

That's entirely possible if you are according to the law. And this, again, this is why I say the law is meaningless. What matters is the willingness of a people to exert authority.

[Ian Crosland]

The.

[Tim Pool]

It was Josie that actually, you know, went viral on X for posting this. The law, I believe the Civil Rights act actually has an exemption for communists. That means if you're a communist and you go to like a bakery and some guy is like, hey, you know, you're a particular religion, get out. And he goes, hey, you can't tell me that's a violation of the Civil Rights Act. They go, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're a communist? Okay. No protections.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, communism isn't a religion, it's an ideology.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, no, but you have no protections for any reason if you are protected class plus communist. So if they're like, women aren't allowed in here, that's not allowed to go. Actually, I can kick you up because you're a communist.

[Libby Emmons]

Because I'm a commie. Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, communism is not. You gotta teach, I think every generation about communism because it comes from just

[Tim Pool]

a general communism control act of 1954.

[Ian Crosland]

It comes from this human instinct of we together are strong, which is true. We're communal animals. Communal leading towards and. But so people say if we come together, we can overcome the problem, which is also true. But then what happens? A small group of people are still in control. It's called vanguardism. There are no communist governments. They're all vanguardists. The Chinese, the the Soviets, they were vanguardists.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So this is actually a really interesting problem. James Burnham wrote a book called the Managerial Revolution. And basically what he was trying to explain is that communism, fascism, and yes, even liberal democracy were all basically converging on the same system of managerialism, the elite vanguard that you're describing there. And so what we're really talking about is not the issue of communism. What we're talking about is the issue of high scale centralized governments and a managerial process. And that's why it reliably produces the same outcome. People say, oh, fascism. And so and communism are the same thing? Well, kinda, because they're actually all trying to deal with the same problem, which is mass consumption, mass production, the creation of, you know, kind of the industrial revolution and modern capitalism. They're all reactions to that. And so if you don't understand it in that historical framework, you don't really get what the problem with communism is. Yeah, the economic issues of communism are real, but you're really looking at is the problem of scale something that we still are not capable of dealing with. And so it produces these perverse ideological incentives that work themselves out reliably.

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[Aaron McIntyre]

Systems like communism.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I mean, I got it. I got to do a correction. So it's specifically that Communist members of communist organizations that were subject to registration. So these are communist action organizations, front organizations, and I believe I actually have a list of so on. What defines the organization?

[Ian Crosland]

They're officially on paper saying Communist Party

[Tim Pool]

of the United States. Any successors of such party, regardless of assumed name, whose objective purpose is to overthrow the government of the United States or the government of any state, territory, district or position thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force are not entitled to any rights, privileges and immunities attended upon. Legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, and whatever rights, privileges and immunities which have hereto heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States shall be terminated. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So basically, Donald Trump could. He could literally be like, are you a communist? Well, the dsa, for instance, any. Any subsequent successors of the Communist Party. And then he could be like, okay, you now have no rights under the United States at all.

[Ian Crosland]

That would be probably too far because they're socialists, not technically communists.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but that's how you get to communism. But that's immaterial. But that's like Zoran Gas is how

[Ian Crosland]

you get to speeding.

[Tim Pool]

Zoran Mamdani brought a woman on his campaign, he says, hire more, elect more communists. And Zoram Dani himself has posts about being a communist, but then just says, I'm a socialist. It's a meaningless distinction to these people. I think that doesn't matter, however, because the law says any successor thereof.

[Ian Crosland]

On paper. Yeah, on paper they have to, like, write down I'm part of a thing.

[Tim Pool]

Incorrect.

[Ian Crosland]

You said they have to be, they have to be titled that they've joined a party, a thing of communism. They can't just say, I'm a communist and get lose all.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you weren't listening to what I just read.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, I was, I just, maybe I didn't understand it.

[Tim Pool]

Perhaps that's what it is. The law that I just read says any successor of the Communist Party, but that's ill defined. Trump could just say, yeah, no, not

[Ian Crosland]

on paper, but I think it's saying that like a successor of the Communist

[Tim Pool]

Party, meaning, like, regardless of assumed name. Well, hey, my point is this rabbit hole there. The law doesn't matter. We have the VRA, we have Section 2, and, and, and I, I, I, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. The Voting Rights act has no discrimination based on race in voting. So in 1965, the courts go, okay, this means you have to make all black districts. Today under the exact same language. Supreme Court says, no, no, that means you can't make all black districts. It's the same law with inverted meaning. So the point is, Trump could look at this law and say, the DSA is a successor party of the Communist Party. Anybody who says their DSA has just forfeited all rights.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, this is a constant part of the Civil Rights act, actually. So originally when it was written, it said explicitly, for instance, that you couldn't privilege people due to the race or specifically, you know, draw lines when it comes to outcomes. And then a few years later, the courts ruled in Griggs vs. Duke power that you could create this disparate impact test. And if there is any disparate impact between the races, even if you can't prove there was racism, you are by default violating the Civil Rights Civil Rights act, and it's therefore racist. So this has been the case with the Civil Rights act forever. They just rewrite it whenever they want to. It doesn't mean anything.

[Tim Pool]

In they in 2022, 23, 24, they raided Donald Trump's home, falsely accused him of crimes, falsely accused him of civil fraud. They arrested his lawyers for providing legal service. They sued Texas to block them from being able to redistrict they locked up all of the J6ers, many in solitary confinement for years, some who did literal nothing. Owen Schroyer, who never even walked in the building. And you're saying, no, it's going too far.

[Ian Crosland]

So the question is, I'm reading about it right now. DSA is formed in 1982 and it was a merger of two left wing organizations, the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee and the New American Movement. So it wasn't a subsidiary of the communists.

[Tim Pool]

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[Ian Crosland]

The law says if it's comes from like a subsidiary or word of successor, a successor to the Communist Party, this was not. This is a new formation of a different ideology.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think you understand what we're talking about. The point that we are making is that the law is what the person with power decides.

[Ian Crosland]

It is. Of course, it's interpretable by the courts.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, indeed. You could just say the DSA is a successor to the communist law.

[Ian Crosland]

I would disagree with that statement.

[Tim Pool]

I asked you a question, Ian. They arrested Trump. They raided his home, they targeted his family, they arrested his lawyers. They put J6 in solitary confinement for years for trespass. Owen Schroer went to prison, didn't even enter the building. And they, at sentencing, they said he deserved a longer sentence because he had criticized them in the. In the time between. What point is too far for you?

[Ian Crosland]

2012. I was pushed too far in 2012 when Obama wanted to sign us onto the TPP. I've already been pushed too far, Tim.

[Tim Pool]

So. So I disagree. Because your argument is that Trump should not do anything on tv.

[Ian Crosland]

My argument is a lot of that stuff. Yeah, but what do you. I mean, I'm about as radical as it comes, dude.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, so Donald Trump should go arrest communists.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm not saying that.

[Tim Pool]

Right. Because they haven't gone too far.

[Ian Crosland]

Because we're on tv and I don't talk about that kind of stuff on tv, bro. Because it's a sub. We're subverting the world economic order. Like, what do you want to.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Ian Crosland]

We're trying to preserve American freedom, man. You can't just overtly say it. You got to do it.

[Tim Pool]

What? Yes, Trump should go arrest these people.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm not. I don't.

[Tim Pool]

I don't.

[Ian Crosland]

I don't. I mean, depends on who ran Mamdani. A lot of these arrests.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, let's.

[Ian Crosland]

Let's come say Comey, for instance. What's he gonna get out of an arrest of Comey?

[Tim Pool]

I don't know, emotional satisfaction.

[Ian Crosland]

What, what?

[Tim Pool]

So let's go back to the original point of the conversation. Zoran Mamdani campaigned on fighting the American people. The American people said, hey, we shouldn't have illegal immigration. And Zormandani says, I will stop them. Okay, that, that is, that is, that is seditious. I mean, he's crossing the line.

[Ian Crosland]

My take, if I was in charge, if I was the president and a mayor said that, I would have mass surveillance on that guy 24 7. And if he makes a move that's actually illegal, he did. Well, a big. I would, I'm not gonna charge him and then get the charges dropped.

[Tim Pool]

I, I, I, I, I, I, I got a question for you, Oren. Do you think, do you think that Trump and his administration, they're cognizant of these things, but they're playing strategically?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think they're aware, and I'm with you, that the Trump administration should be far more aggressive and far more creative with its use of the law and power. I will say one thing, however, that is a huge stumbling block. The thing that Biden and Obama and all these people have going for them is that all of the system already aligns with what they want to do and what they want to believe. So the reason that it feels like guys like Obama or Biden are ultimately more powerful when they're in office isn't because they gained any kind of new, new ability by taking over that office. You know, the, the Article 2 of the Constitution didn't change. What happens is all the other branches of government, all the other mechanisms, all of the bureaucracy is already aligned with them. And so they just move in that direction and allow them to do whatever they want to do. When Trump's in office, all of that machinery is pushing against it. So I think the administration is doing its best to try to turn that ship. I think that's why you're seeing Army Dylan and others kind of doing good work. But half of her office won't work for her. Even now, after so many people have been fired or left because they just hate the Republicans and they're going to dig in and do that same thing with the FBI. We've already seen Dan Bongino more or less tell us that the FBI wasn't really working for Trump or a good percentage of them weren't. They are not under the control of the government. So technically, the Republicans won that election. Technically, Trump is in power. But when you look at the actual mechanisms of government, they don't have access to the Same thing. And so I don't think they can use the law the same way that the left has, even though I think they should do the most they can.

[Tim Pool]

Should Trump run for a third term now?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, at that point, let's just, you know, skip over the formalities here and get rid of the running part.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, that's not going to happen. I mean, Trump's going to leave and someone is going to come in. He's 80.

[Libby Emmons]

What do you think of Rubio?

[Tim Pool]

I like Rubio. He's done a really great job. He's been very professional.

[Libby Emmons]

I think he's done a good job.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think Marco Rubio has shilled for amnesty his entire life and then suddenly turned around for a year and said, actually, maybe I don't believe in amnesty, cuz the Trump administration told me I don't. And then just yesterday he was saying, actually anyone from anywhere can be an American again. So I'm very, very worried about Marco Rubio when it comes to.

[Libby Emmons]

He was, what he was saying was, I think, a little different. I think he was saying that anyone from anywhere can come here and achieve. But I think what he. My interpretation of that, because I thought that those were really great remarks and I think that my understanding of an American and I, I think you might disagree with me, but it's someone who is. You're either born in America and you accept, you know, our values and our culture and you're part of this country and it's where you're from, or if you're an immigrant and you come here, you cast off all your other ties, you cast off any allegiance to your home nation and you say, I'm going to be an American, I'm going to embrace these values, this culture, these founding documents, and I'm going to do my best to achieve on these terms. So I do think that immigrants have a place in this country and have a place to, you know, achieve and take advantage of everything that's great that, that there is to offer, but not to come here and get handouts.

[Aaron McIntyre]

But that's not. We're getting at all. That's exactly the opposite. And we haven't.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. But I think that, I think that that's what Rubio was talking about. That's how it sounded to me.

[Aaron McIntyre]

But you. But he has to come up against the problem here. And we're hearing a lot. We just hear, heard Gorsuch talk about how we are a creedal nation. We don't have a shared religion, we don't have a shared heritage, we don't have any of these things. It's just we're. We're people with a set of documents, and that's all we are.

[Libby Emmons]

That's a total misinterpretation of what the documents actually are and what they stand for. Because if you grow up in this country, if you embrace these documents, if you embrace these ideals, then that creates a common culture.

[Aaron McIntyre]

This is a misunderstanding of the nature of political constitutions. So constitutions are not a document that you think of a priori, and then they push down and dictate the way you live your life. They emanate from the way of being of the people in the first place.

[Libby Emmons]

That's exactly right. So if you're raised in accordance with these ideals, then that becomes correct, but becomes our culture.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It doesn't become our culture. It was already our culture. That. That's the key. It's. It's a continuity of a tradition and a heritage. It's not simply something that you adopt because you feel like now you want to be part of America, you have

[Libby Emmons]

to be, in a way, if you're an immigrant, then you have to adopt it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

But they don't. And we, not everybody does.

[Libby Emmons]

We don't enforce assimilation.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Ilhan Omar hates the Constitution.

[Libby Emmons]

Sure. We don't enforce assimilation.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Not only does that get expelled from the country, she's allowed to literally have one of the most important positions in the country.

[Libby Emmons]

No, I understand that, and I think that that's completely ridiculous.

[Aaron McIntyre]

But how would we shift that without changing the understanding of what America is?

[Libby Emmons]

Assimilation used to be much more enforced. It was enforced in our schools and our educational system. It was enforced by parents who were immigrants who come here and they say, you know, you're going to be American now. We're not going to speak Italian at home. We're not going to use our Italian names. You know, that was certainly my ancestors on one side. You also have. And he's derided for it, but you also have the way Henry Ford took, you know, took that.

[Tim Pool]

I had a friend 20 years ago, I was skating in Chicago, and Mexican dude, one day he came to the skate park and he was super pissed off. And then. And I was like, bro, what do you. You're all pissed off. And he started complaining about white people. And then I was like, I don't know why you're all mad. And she started talking smack about white people. They steal everything. They stole this land. And then he said, my grandmother told me to have as many kids as possible so that we can steal the land back from them because we outvote them. And then I was like, wow, sure, I, whatever. I don't know. I'm skating, bro.

[Ian Crosland]

I've seen this kind of wild. A common misconception against lower tiered thinking people on the left. They, they really believe it's about race, that, that when there's immigration and people on the right are upset that the city is now multicultural, whatever, they're like, oh, they, they hate black people or they hate Indian people. Where, when the real concern is the cultural d. What do you want to call it? Deconstruction. That's what people. It's. There are racists, of course, but there are many people are afraid that the American culture is being diffused, not that the race.

[Tim Pool]

It's not about race. Let me, let me, let me play this video for you. All right, check this out. So we got this video. It's from black people of Reddit and its response is comment. Voting may matter within the constitutional republic, but while the Constitution. Republic is nearly an open air prison. Listen to what this man has to say. Apparently we can't listen to what he has to say. Let me pause real quick and make sure that we're listening. But I heard nothing. It's because it's default.

[Ian Crosland]

Muted listening and hearing are not the same.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I am so fucking tired of white men cosplaying the apocalypse.

[Tim Pool]

The only fucking reason why we needed

[Aaron McIntyre]

the goddamn Voting Rights act in the first place is because of white men. I don't care that you don't fucking see the value in it. Neither did your great grandfather. And that's the fucking reason we have got passed in the fucking 60s. I am tired of it. I'm tired of fucking pretending that the motherfuckers are responsible for us needing it aren't alive. They're alive and you call them grandma. So no white boy. I don't care what the fuck you think about the goddamn Voting Rights Act. I don't care. I don't care what any white person thinks about it at fucking all. Because the only reason we need any of this shit is because white people needed to be told in writing not to be awful.

[Libby Emmons]

That's why you guys should tell him in writing.

[Tim Pool]

But that's laws are.

[Aaron McIntyre]

They're telling you not to be a piece of. It's very weird that we have so many laws surrounding race because white men won't fucking be better. They won't be better. They won't do better. It doesn't matter what year it is in the year of our Lord 2026, we are still discussing the merits of black people fucking voting because you are not different than your fucking ancestors.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I thought about it for a while. The first, the first reaction I had was like. It was like a visceral anger to him just attacking white people. And I'm not completely white, but I'm a little. And then I stopped and really thought about what he was saying and I was like, no, I mean, he's right. People need to be told based on their race to be better. And when it turns out, according to the FBI crime stats, that it's largely black men committing all the violent crimes. This man has inspired me. And I think based on his advocacy and his name, we shall put forth laws that give you harsher penalties if you commit a crime while being black. Is that, is that the argument he's making? Is that what you would like, sir? Well, he says white men are bad and they got to do better. And I'm like, yeah. And, you know, and there's. There's bad people who are black. So maybe if he says we need laws to stop white people from being bad, maybe if we make laws specifically targeting black people the way he's argued, it might stop the murders.

[Libby Emmons]

He would probably tell you that there already are those laws in place.

[Ian Crosland]

If this dude was a white dude with like maybe a shaved head and he was screaming about black people, you black people, could you imagine how, how much negative attention he'd be getting?

[Tim Pool]

You know what, you know, we can do, we can put this through AI and actually do that and that'd be hilarious.

[Libby Emmons]

That's a good idea.

[Ian Crosland]

It was such a racist.

[Libby Emmons]

Like the first good.

[Tim Pool]

The reason we need laws in the first place because of black.

[Ian Crosland]

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[Aaron McIntyre]

the funny thing about this is, you know, we're doing the old, well, what if the roles were reversed? Which is, yeah, okay, so obviously you can be racist against white people, not black people. News at 11. But also like the bigger part of his rant here is like, well, why do you have so many laws centered around race? And actually that's a really great question, right? Because the left says we have to have them because America is inherently racist. And without that, we're going to have all of the racist outcomes that Americans really want. But the funny thing is you can't get Republicans to roll these back either. Usually. Like, it's kind of impressive that we finally saw that in the Voting Rights Act. And once again, God bless Clarence Thomas and his absolute like just carrying the constitutional order on his shoulders. However, one of the reasons those laws exist is despite decades and decades and decades of basically rigging the entire system in favor of minorities, we still see disparate outcomes. We have changed the laws to make it harder to fire minorities, easier to hire them, make it basically illegal to have too many white people in your office. We've done this.

[Tim Pool]

None of these things education, and none

[Aaron McIntyre]

of this has significantly shifted the outcomes. In fact, they've become worse.

[Ian Crosland]

That was one of the things that radicalized me as well. In 2012 I went to Occupy Wall Street. 2011, whatever it was, I was going to say speak and read the Constitution that no, we had too many white people speak. Well, sit down.

[Libby Emmons]

We're a victim of the progressive stack.

[Tim Pool]

I also want to just point out stupidity here. When he's like, you call him grandma, like, bro, that was 1965. My grandparents are not alive. I'm 40 years old.

[Ian Crosland]

Look, bro, we're post slavery.

[Tim Pool]

This, this country, there are some hundred year olds around, I guess. But in 1965 when these laws were being passed, the peep, the voting block that was influencing this, that passed this, they were in their late 30s or 40s. Those people are not 100. They're not around anymore.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, everyone also forgets that. Everyone also always forgets that that march on Washington was a march for civil rights and jobs. So there were a lot of working class people out there who just wanted like, you know, a job, they just wanted, like decent wages. And that was a huge part of it. And that was a huge part of how you got such a wide coalition of people who were in favor of these, in favor of that whole, you

[Ian Crosland]

know, civil rights, civil rights thing. In what way do they get jobs? What are they looking for?

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, I don't know if they got jobs, but that was what the march was called, you know, and I know that, like I, you know, I know there's people in my family, ancestors, whatever, people who went to the march, and that's what they were there for. It was like civil rights and jobs they wanted. Like, just like people now today are like, we want good jobs so we can raise our families, you know, without worrying about having to get five jobs. It's the same kind of thing.

[Ian Crosland]

I want to nitpick this guy's argument a little bit, because America's very young country and it's just freshly post slavery in the grand scheme of things. 100 years or whatever. 170 years, 160 years. So, like, our slaves happen to be from one part of the world that's the skin color of those people happened to be the way that was. It's not like if we'd taken Indian slaves, then all this whole thing would be about Indians wanting Indian rights and Indian slaves.

[Libby Emmons]

I see the thing though. The Green Party in the uk did. Did you see this woman in the Green Party? She was demanding reparations for slavery from the government and it turned out, yeah, whatever, Green Party, they're idiots. But this black woman in the UK demanding reparations and it turned out that she was descended from a tribe that sold Africans into slavery. I mean, if you look at it now, there's more slavery right now in the Middle east than there was during the entire, like, slave trade in the United States.

[Tim Pool]

No, no, I gotta say something because the one thing I can respect for a lot of the social justice stuff was I was hanging out at the poker room, as one does, and there was a black dude, he was playing and a question came up. I can't remember why, but. But someone mentioned like Europe and their, like grandparents. And I said, oh, you can become a citizen. Like apparently in some circumstances if, like your grandparent is from there, you can go back and then reapply. And then this guy asked me, he's like, oh, you could do that? And I was like, no, I can't do that. I was like, I can get a B visa from Korea, which is like a two year live work for being part Korean. And he goes, yeah. He's like, I don't got nothing like that because I. I don't know where my family came from. And I was like, oh. I was like, yeah, that's kind of messed up. And he's like, yeah. And then he's like, you like Trump? And I was like, yeah. He goes, I love Trump. I just thought it was funny that, like, this conversation. He's pointing out that the history of many of. Of most black people in this country. I say most because there's people coming from Haiti or they emigrate here, but there are a lot of people who are descended from slaves. They don't have that. I know where my country is. At the same time, this guy loved Trump, and he hated Democrats.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, his country is right here. Like, this is his country.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, black America, But a real ethnogenesis because of that, because they didn't have any tie to previous heritage.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. Like, this, like, America is. Is the country for black Americans.

[Tim Pool]

I'm. I can point, yes. But I also think there is something I can respect the position of. I don't have that. The guy wasn't complaining. He wasn't saying, I've been aggrieved. He was just like, yeah, I don't have that. I was like, oh, yeah, wow. Like, I understand it is, but he loved Trump, and it was funny. And then some white guy at the table said, trump is the worst ever. I just think it's hilarious. And I'm like, you know, he said to me, he goes, trump's a gangster. And he's like. And all the black people love him. And I was like, I don't know about all of them. And he was like, well, where I come from. And then the white guys at the table were just like, he's the worst president we've ever had. It's just a funny contrast.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think he's even close to the worst president we've ever had.

[Tim Pool]

No, I think he's one of the best, actually.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

At least he's the best president of my lifetime. And I said that. And I was like, guys, you got to understand, the bar is underground at this point. So. So there being a bar laying on the ground, and that's Trump. And we can just, like, look at it. Is better than we've had.

[Ian Crosland]

He's bucking the CIA, he seems to be. Which is what Kennedy tried to do and failed at, because he's. I think Trump was ready for it.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. What do you say? Rip him to shreds get him the wind or whatever, splinter him.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, Kennedy said that. And then I don't know when he ended up at the bottom.

[Tim Pool]

And then he died. Well, they tried to kill Trump four times.

[Ian Crosland]

I definitely find the racial element of slavery a correlation because of where the slaves of this nation were taken from. Like, if it had been, you know, a North African Carthaginian culture that had been taken Roman slaves, 200 years later after they're freed, all the slaves would have been white guys and they would have been complaining for white people rights because all the Carthaginians have dark skin and they have all the money. So, like, it's just. It doesn't really matter. It's just about, you know, it's more about who. It's less about what you look like.

[Libby Emmons]

The thing too is like the African slave traders didn't end slavery, the British ended slavery. You know, like the entire narrative is backwards and wrong.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, this thing is all a system of control because they have black lives matter and replacement. Immigration in Ireland, which was literally a place that was oppressed for centuries by the English and had nothing to do with the slave trade or any of it. But they use the same rhetoric in Ireland that they use in the United States. You just have to step over this stuff. It's baseless. It's over. Look, if we ever want to have a society, you gotta not care about slavery. We have to stop making slavery something we worship. And it's the only thing. When I was a teacher, I taught so many students, and the only two things they knew about America is that we invented slavery. Yes, they all believe that, that we invented slavery, of course.

[Tim Pool]

But these people are fervent. And what do you do when you have a fervent horde fighting for their zeal, like their ideology, you get them

[Ian Crosland]

to trip over their own feet because they're charging ahead without looking their fervor. That's one way to do it. I mean, I think one by one, you make Internet videos explaining the real history of slavery in a charismatic way.

[Tim Pool]

The solution to everything is making Internet video better.

[Ian Crosland]

It's a powerful tech, dude. Humans still don't understand how powerful.

[Tim Pool]

I gotta, I gotta, I gotta give you a little pushback on that one, because today I'm flipping through Instagram. I kid you not, every other video was someone going, this person tweeted in 2022 Corona ends 23 hantavirus. They were all saying the exact same things. And I'm just thinking like, do these people have brains? This is a horrible place to Be. This is awful. I want to be a chicken farmer. I quit.

[Ian Crosland]

I'm a child of 2006 YouTube where the people that were driving the global narrative were on YouTube. I don't know if that's still the case with AI and massive, massive MIS information and. And it's so easy now, everyone. It's so common relative to how it was 15 or 20 years ago. But the power of this technology is insane. The way you can create mass formation with your ideas, anyone can so do it.

[Tim Pool]

I mean, it's easy to fake too, you know. What's that? It's really easy to fake. Putting money into these systems to just promote content.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah. When. When Google bought YouTube, I was. I. I made a video. It's still on my crossmac channel of losing my mind. Because I wasn't that. I was like, oh, here we go. The corporatization of Internet video. We had it for two years. It was the free wild west from 2006 to 2008. But then people start getting paid.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And it's also the tyranny of algorithms. Like eventually there's just a maximal way to game the algorithm. Only one way. Only one set of news stories. Only one way to master the news cycle so that you stay on top. And then everyone just converges on that strategy. The best practices become the only thing that dictates what people cover.

[Ian Crosland]

My hypothesis was to create the news by doing a more entertaining show than whatever's out there.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I will say that actually were reverting back to the. You will get more views doing news production. There was a period where news production was waning because it was too easy to aggregate. But now aggregation is saturated and news production is going to come back. Let's jump to this from YouGov. How many Americans think they could beat Donald Trump in a fight? Would you be surprised to find out that Republicans actually think they can't? Check it out. Who do you think would win in a physical fight between you and Trump?

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[Tim Pool]

Democrats. 75% said they would. 5% said Trump would. 33% of Republicans said they would, but 39 said Trump would. What say you, Ian?

[Ian Crosland]

I don't want to say that I would beat up the President.

[Tim Pool]

It's a sanction, I think sanctioned fighting.

[Ian Crosland]

I'd go for the legs, dude. He's too top heavy. Wrap him up like a snake, bro. And I'd get behind his neck. I'd have to tie my hair back, though. He. I think Trump has an aura of weakness where he makes other people fall to their Knees when they're around him. People have said this, that they get in the room with them and they're just like stuck in awe of him. But if you're able to overcome that, I think you could easily defeat the 80 year old.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the thing.

[Libby Emmons]

He is 80.

[Tim Pool]

I actually think Republicans are actually correct. The 39% has had. Trump would win. You know why? Security. You need to consider. No, you need to consider. The people who are being asked will include small women, the elderly and the infirm. So actually seeing about 39% say yeah, Trump could probably beat me up. There could be a 70 year old guy who's like, oh you know, he's we're old but he's bigger than me. Now look at this one. Who do you think would win in a fight between an 8 year old boy and Trump? Democrats. 54% said an 8 year old boy.

[Ian Crosland]

I can't take polls seriously anymore. I can't do it, dude.

[Aaron McIntyre]

8.

[Ian Crosland]

What? 50% is it?

[Tim Pool]

50% of the 54% of Democrats think an 8 year old boy could beat up 240 pound 6 foot 3 Donald Trump.

[Ian Crosland]

If you.

[Libby Emmons]

I think that's a bit really me

[Ian Crosland]

Donald Trump trying to make.

[Tim Pool]

I'm sorry, I know Trump's old, but it could still punch the kid in

[Libby Emmons]

the face has the golf clubs, you know.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, well Trump was in Home Alone 2 where he met Kevin McAllister. So we could have had the showdown like you could have had had. You know, he's precedent at the time. We could have found out.

[Ian Crosland]

We could even.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And Trump would have been in his prime at that time.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, they cut that sequence. They cut that sequence.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right. The thing is that you know, Trump has strong sprawl defense. So when the little kid goes for the takedown, you know, Trump's all over, he's with a hand and smash him.

[Tim Pool]

Who are these 6% of Republicans that think Trump can't beat up an 8 year old boy? Do they not know like an 8 year old boy weighs like 70 pounds?

[Libby Emmons]

Well maybe they're thinking of their kid who like is 8 but has been exposed to too much testosterone and I

[Ian Crosland]

don't know, I mean if the kid gets a good like a hook in like a really strong uppercut. Trump's not a fast guy I definitely

[Libby Emmons]

don't think I could beat.

[Tim Pool]

But he's tall. Little kids on uppercutting, 6 foot 3

[Ian Crosland]

Donald Trump, he'd have to go for the nuts.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, that's, that's really the key there. If he can get the Nut strike

[Ian Crosland]

in, like, how vicious is this fight? Is this street fight level or is this like mma? Is this gloves, no gloves. Where can you grab.

[Libby Emmons]

And who's the kid?

[Tim Pool]

Crushed up ornaments under the windowsill.

[Ian Crosland]

Right, right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Swinging paint cans, hot oil.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, hold on. If it is Kevin McAllister. Kevin McAllister. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

100%.

[Tim Pool]

Donald Trump slips on a banana peel and then, like lands on a hot coal or something.

[Aaron McIntyre]

If he could take the wet bandits, he can certainly take bandits.

[Libby Emmons]

I once slipped on a banana peel and my friends who I was walking with, like, just died laughing. And I'm like, on the ground trying

[Aaron McIntyre]

to get up next to like a marble factory. Comedy sketch.

[Libby Emmons]

No, it was just all the trash in New York City.

[Ian Crosland]

But did you go, did it slip forward and you went back?

[Tim Pool]

See this?

[Libby Emmons]

Yes. It was like cartoon.

[Tim Pool]

So look, look, when I first read

[Libby Emmons]

this, believe it, they were like, you actually slipped on a boat.

[Tim Pool]

When I first read this, I was like, what Republican thinks Trump could beat them up? That's insane. Like, if there was a sanctioned MMA fight. Dana White. And Trump came in, I'm 40, but I'm sorry, he's got, he's got, you know, half a foot on me, but I could still win a fight against an 80 year old man. And then I thought about it, I was like, you know, there's. If this is weighted for age and gender, there's gonna be a bunch of women who are like, look, I weigh. I'm five' two, 100 pounds. I ain't fighting Trump.

[Ian Crosland]

You know, he has a strong grip. We all know that. He likes to shake that hand really tight. So if he gets in on you, unless you're over £130.

[Tim Pool]

And also there's veterans in wheelchairs that probably were like, nah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You also have to factor in, Trump might be old, but this is a man who literally took a bullet right next to the head and popped back up. He's a scrappy guy.

[Tim Pool]

He's right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. For 80, he's gonna put up a fight at least.

[Tim Pool]

But I do think, I think this is. You know, I posted that it's a slow news day. And then someone said, it's not that there's no news, it's that our tolerance has been built up to an extreme degree.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's very true.

[Tim Pool]

You know, cuz Jess who works here, she was like, we're on the verge of civil war, World War 3, the AI takeover, and an alien invasion, and there's no news today.

[Ian Crosland]

Like, dude, we're in the Iranian, the Hormuz Shreya Hormuz. If this was 2007, I'd be screaming my head off daily about it on the Internet. I'm so desensitized to this.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The entire global economy is just sitting there teetering on the edge of the abyss. And we're like, there's just no news.

[Tim Pool]

Like, it's been that way for the last like six years, though.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, well, that's the problem, right? It's like that's how you build the nothing ever happens mentality, right? Because you just build, like I said, build up that sensitivity every day.

[Libby Emmons]

It's like, the war is over. Now we're bombing them. Now the war is over. Now we're bombing them. Now they're mad, but it doesn't matter. Now we're bombing them.

[Tim Pool]

There's a virus.

[Libby Emmons]

Virus. Don't breathe around the rat.

[Tim Pool]

The alien disclosure is coming. Apparently we've got more pastors that have said they were in these meetings.

[Libby Emmons]

That was so interesting.

[Tim Pool]

They're coming on the show. We're having them on.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, when is that?

[Tim Pool]

Next week. I want to come on.

[Ian Crosland]

I saw somebody.

[Tim Pool]

We might, we might do a culture next Friday because there's so many.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's like a sit down with three dudes who are like, we were in this meeting. It's happening.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. And they were saying that this could destroy people's faith. And I feel like it would have the reverse. When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify. Get everything you need to grow the way you want. Like all the way. Stack more sales with the best converting checkout on the planet. Track your cha chings from every channel

[Tim Pool]

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[Libby Emmons]

Effect.

[Tim Pool]

Because Christians just think they're demons.

[Libby Emmons]

Christians could think they're demons or just think, oh, I guess we're the ones God chose. So, like, now we believe in God even more.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, C.S. lewis wrote a space trilogy about God. Making all these different aliens across the solar system and them interacting. So I feel like that's pretty reasonable.

[Libby Emmons]

They believe in Jesus Christ.

[Ian Crosland]

What if they show up as Jesus?

[Tim Pool]

What happened on the show American dad when they. There was an arc in American dad about the rapture happening and Jesus comes back, and then when he meets Roger the alien, he goes, ugh. One of my dad's side projects. Yeah. So, you know, I can make it work.

[Ian Crosland]

I think, what if they. If they come. If the government comes as like a blue beam version of Jesus. And then the Christians are like, oh, my God, Jesus here. And they're like, no, no, no, that's an alien pretending to be Jesus. And then they're so double side, like slipped up and double whammy, they'll be like, oh, the government's protecting me. And they don't want me to believe that this fake image is Jesus. So it is aliens.

[Tim Pool]

Family Guy also had a joke about this where Jesus comes back, but he's. He's short. And he says, as most of you are aware, humans were much shorter back then. And, you know, everyone's like, he's actually

[Libby Emmons]

look like Max von Sydow.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

And like, geez, I kind of wish I never met you after that. Like, they're kind of disappointed. They're like, kind of questioning this whole Jesus thing. Like he's like 4 foot 2 or something.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't. I don't think the second coming would be an alien invasion.

[Ian Crosland]

What do you think it would be?

[Libby Emmons]

That would be it. But, you know, I think it would be some scrappy poor kid who's like, give everything away and follow me and let's go save some souls.

[Ian Crosland]

I think. I'll tell you what I think, even though you didn't ask, it's gonna be a critical mass of people that start to live like Christ, that embody the virtue, and then once enough people do it, overnight, humanity just changes.

[Libby Emmons]

That would be cool if everyone embodied those values. But I don't think think we're verging on that. I don't think we're verging on that.

[Tim Pool]

I think right now, the values we have is people sitting there being like,

[Libby Emmons]

I could take them, and being entitled and being entitled to like, anything that anybody else has.

[Ian Crosland]

It's like, spirituality is kind of boring. Like, you ever just sit and meditate for four hours or two or 20 minutes?

[Tim Pool]

That's God.

[Ian Crosland]

Like, that's it.

[Tim Pool]

Don't you ever hear about those yogis that just. Their whole lives, all they ever did was meditate? And do nothing.

[Ian Crosland]

Buddha boy.

[Tim Pool]

And they're like 200 years old.

[Ian Crosland]

You gotta watch Buddha boy. He sits under a tree.

[Libby Emmons]

Sit on like the top of a really tall column.

[Tim Pool]

I met. I met some high Christian dudes and they were like, there are monks. They sit on top of mountains. All they do all day is meditate. And they're. He's like 160. And I'm like, at. When I was like 18, when I met this guy, I was like, I don't believe that. That's crazy. Then when I got older, I read about caloric deprivation and I was like, oh, yeah, actually, that's if you're not doing anything and all you're doing is sitting every single day doing minimal caloric intake and exercise, you. Actually, it does. We do see like a 70 lifespan increase.

[Ian Crosland]

I think you're. Your brain activates neurogenesis while you're meditating too. I was just told that yesterday. I haven't really studied the science behind it, but. When you allow your thoughts to rest is when your body can regenerate.

[Aaron McIntyre]

If the key barrier to achieving a transcendent understanding of the universe is that you get bored, then you probably don't deserve to achieve a transcendent understanding of the universe. It might take some work. It might require you to do something unpleasant. In fact, that's the entire point of religion, I think, and spirituality in a broader sense. If it's not depriving you of something, then what does it matter? If it costs you nothing, then it's useless.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, a lot of it is, actually, I think is acts like making the world better for the people to come after. People have already. But I mean, that's like the most godlike thing you can do is enhance the human.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Pick up your cross and follow me. Is literally the meditation so powerful because

[Ian Crosland]

it, like, lets your emotions go away. You can have thoughts without emotion and then. But it's so boring. I mean, it's kind of nice once you get into it. It's like really relaxing. Really. Like, it feels really good. But compared to, like, going bowling, you know, like stimulation, watching things fall, making noise, tv, electricity. And how do you. How do you wrestle humans away from that? And to willingly go back to nature, what do you do to do it?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, I go to church, I pray. I read the Bible.

[Ian Crosland]

How do you pray?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, in different ways, I suppose. You know, sometimes it's alone, sometimes it's corporate, Sometimes it's in a quiet place, sometimes it's in nature. It really just depends.

[Ian Crosland]

I used to be like, please, God, give me thing. Bring me patience. Now I'm like, thank you for giving me.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, you absolutely need to carve out a moment of thankfulness and, and then supplication for others. You know, that's key. I mean, you know, the Lord's Prayer, the one that Jesus put together, is pretty good about this. It's, hey, you know, please don't lead us into tation. Please help us to forgive other people. Please help others. You know, we appreciate what you've given us. Here's our gratefulness. You know, all the hits are there. It's not really a. It's a pretty good roadmap, but as

[Ian Crosland]

opposed to like, please bring these people what they need, saying thank you for bringing these people what they need before they even have it. And then, then because you're glad that they have it, even though they don't yet they get it. Does that make. It's like a manifestation trick. Like you believe it's real and then it becomes real.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, this is kind of again, this hyperstition, which is, you know, there's, there's some truth to that, but I, I don't think that's like a trick that works with God. I think God does what he wants and, you know, you, you communing with him is the purpose of prayer.

[Tim Pool]

Let's jump to the story from the Daily Mail secret Pentagon UFO briefing today as Washington insider warns full truth will still be hidden. Tim Burchette said that he had a private UFO briefing from the Pentagon. He said, oddly enough, I got a call that tomorrow at 3pm I'm going to be briefed over the phone. The Secretary of War's top dogs will go over stuff. Bridget's comments came as anticipation continues to build around the President and his effort to declassify federal UFO files. However, he added, I don't want everybody to get their hopes up. I don't have a lot of faith in our government. This thing's been covered up at least since 1947. Now, interestingly, we have all these pastors coming out saying they've been briefed by government officials to prepare their congregations, that there will be alien disclosure. So what do you think? Aliens, Demons?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't know, man. I. I don't know if you've seen that meme, but it's. The aliens show up and they're doing crazy stuff and, you know, some guy's like, oh, cool. And they're like, really? That's all you got? He's like, I've been having a hard time Man, I feel like. I feel like that's my response every time I get the alien thing. I feel like every six months to a year, we hear, oh, new disclosure that aliens are 100% going to be real. And then.

[Tim Pool]

But that's. That's the conspiracy theory that they couldn't just come out and say, aliens are real. So they trickle it out slowly, so we're bored, and by the time aliens

[Aaron McIntyre]

come, we go, entirely possible. If it's. If that's a strategy, man, it is working.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I agree.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I got to be honest, I just don't care.

[Tim Pool]

I honestly think that if today, maybe today was a slow news day, but Donald Trump, what he's going to do is aliens are going to land, you know, on the White House lawn. And then everyone's been going, aliens. Oh, my God. And then Donald Trump's going to tweet out something like, the Democrats are a bunch of fat pigs who should be charged with treason. And then everyone's going to go, wait, right here to the aliens, and they're going to run over to try and cover Trump.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think people are going to care that much about the aliens. I mean, especially if they're not actually showing up. If it's just like, there were some spaceships, there's some. You know, maybe we found some wreckage.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Ian looks so devastated.

[Libby Emmons]

I just don't think. I think. I think, Ian, I think you're going to care. I think I'm going to find it very intriguing, but I think the general population is going to be like, okay,

[Tim Pool]

I am not going to miss that

[Ian Crosland]

church service after they debrief the pastors for sure.

[Tim Pool]

The most interesting one.

[Ian Crosland]

There's no aliens. No aliens are coming. Guys, it's not real. This is all fake. The Area 51 stuff was drone tech. They raided Tesla's laboratory. This is really concerning. If anyone even remotely thinks there's anything to this, this is. Look, I'm on the side of the US Government. We don't need to trick people to control the world. We can do it through virtue, I believe. I think we can.

[Tim Pool]

Or there are aliens.

[Ian Crosland]

There are aliens. They're not coming here right now. They're already here. They're in us. It's of high frequency consciousness. They're spirits.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Libby Emmons]

You think they're in us?

[Tim Pool]

That's when I asked them, where are you? What technology do they have?

[Ian Crosland]

What? What technology? They're moving really fast. They. They. I think that they can condense matter or matter is condensing at that speed. What do you mean I don't know enough yet? I got to go visit them more?

[Tim Pool]

Now there is a theory that a lot of these pastors believe the government is lying, telling them to prepare for this because they want to break faith in Christianity. They go to pass and say, look, aliens are real. You're gonna disclose your congregation needs to be taught about it. And these guys are like, is the government trying to convince us to abandon our faith to trick us? You know?

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, yeah, that might be the case. That might be the case. I brought it up the other night and this is something my friends are like, oh, look at Ian disrespecting Christians. I said, look, if someone's willing to believe something without proof, because I look at Earth religions as like evidential. A lot of them are based on like text that you don't have a lot of like, you know, a piece of text that self referential text. So if someone's willing to believe something without proof, they might be willing to believe something else without proof. Like aliens are here. So I don't want these people to be led astray because Christianity has wonderful values and morals that you need to abide by or you can improve your life by abiding by. But that doesn't mean you have to believe that every fact in the book actually is.

[Tim Pool]

The mistake that you're making is the presumption that because someone has a lifetime of experiences which leads them to belief, belief that a single experience at one time would change or give them a new belief. You said there are people who can believe things on evidence. I'd be worried they would believe in aliens. You're talking about a person who has lived their whole life in accordance with a world view which leads them to believe something strongly versus that same person. Then seeing aliens land and believing instantly that, well, you know, like my whole world view is wrong. I'll just believe that.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Now, I mean, we hold on to our epistemologies pretty tightly. So for instance, when it came to public health, we literally watched like every major organization in the United States and the wider world lie to us on a regular basis from positions of authority. And despite that, a couple years later, everybody basically just went back to believing what those people said on a regular basis. So I think it's fair to say that once people are in that rut, it's pretty hard to break. There are more people who don't believe the government than ever before, I think because of the actions during COVID But it's still not everyone.

[Tim Pool]

I think to counter your point, Ian People who believe like Christians, they're not going to believe they're aliens. They're going to believe they're demons.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, maybe, But I think that they might actually come as Jesus. Like, they might try and make people think Jesus is here and then be like, no, no, no, that's aliens trying to trick you. That might be. And then they'll be like, oh, thank you for telling me the truth.

[Tim Pool]

Christians will not go, oh, you were right. Jesus came back, but he's actually an alien now. I don't have faith anymore.

[Ian Crosland]

The aliens are tricking me. But wait, if there's aliens, then how can the Bible be true?

[Libby Emmons]

That's not going to be the thing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Because the Bible not exclusive. They're not banned by the Bible. There's nothing about that.

[Ian Crosland]

It's just that men are made in God's image. So if an alien comes and it's

[Aaron McIntyre]

not human, a demon image doesn't mean, like his literal physical image. They don't mean that, like, God has two physical arms and legs in the same way that a human does, though obviously Jesus did when incarnated in that way.

[Ian Crosland]

But what does it mean exactly?

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean that you have the ability to see what God sees. To under or not exactly see what God sees, but to experience free will to understand the world in a way that no other being in the world does. I, I mean, I guess there are people could, who could argue that, yes, they did mean in a little physical, you know, incarnation way. But I think most people understand it as more of a spiritual image of God and not a, like, actual physical resemblance to God.

[Ian Crosland]

The other reason I believe that they are potentially targeting Christians, like you mentioned earlier, Tim, is that if you can break America's founding religion, as much heat as it's taken, especially for the last 40 years with the Internet getting sloshed by the globe. But if you can break people away from that and question that, they toss the morals aside. And if they toss the morals of Christianity aside, I feel like we've lost. If you lose the ability to have patience for your enemy, you can destroy your enemy without hating him. When you hate, you get blinded, you get lazy, you get diffused. You need to maintain these virtues to win a war. In a lot of ways, you're right.

[Tim Pool]

What we need is a great flood that just over the whole planet.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, he promised no more water. You have to use fire this time.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, okay, all right.

[Libby Emmons]

That wouldn't be God, because he promised.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You got a rainbow out of it and everything.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but the rainbow's Been subverted.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So that's why the fire comes next.

[Tim Pool]

You know, I, I, I say to Christians when they're like, you know, they're using the rainbow flag. And I'm like, why would you let them, like, Christians should all start using the rainbow again. And then all these progress, pride. People are going to be pissed off.

[Ian Crosland]

They said that it's a fire. Is that, is that supposed to happen? In the Bible they say a great fire.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, I'm making a joke, but there was literally a promise that God would never flood the world again. And that's why the rainbow appeared in,

[Tim Pool]

in the story God's Covenant.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So, so if he can't technically use water, then, well, there are other options. And fire, fire is one.

[Tim Pool]

He's, he could use liquid methane.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's very true.

[Ian Crosland]

I mean, superheated gas, which is fluid, but it's not water.

[Tim Pool]

Liquid methane. Yeah, Liquid methane.

[Ian Crosland]

Would, would liquid methane.

[Tim Pool]

You mean like endless techno or technically

[Ian Crosland]

the flood if it was liquid. I think you flood it. You can flood a system with gas as well. So it wouldn't be a gaseous attack or a conundrum.

[Libby Emmons]

Volcanic ash. There's so many ways to destroy things.

[Ian Crosland]

And I think the flood was preempted by firestorm. Aren't there a bunch of plagues also?

[Libby Emmons]

That was with. Yeah, that was Moses. He brought them to Pharaoh.

[Aaron McIntyre]

But they didn't, like, wipe everybody out. I mean, well, the firstborn sons didn't do so well.

[Libby Emmons]

That was a pretty big deal. Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Did the Christians actually have a rainbow as their symbol for a while?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, the fish, I think, was the most famous one. Completing the fish to signal that you are Christian. The, you know, the fish that you see people drive around with a car on. I think the original story is that they would draw half the fish in this, you know, in like, sand, and they draw the other half and that's how you would identify. I don't know if that's apocryphal at some level, but. Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Is because they were hunted down. So, like, in order to secretly show someone you're a Christian, you draw like a curve and they'd be like, yeah, that's pretty cool. I feel for you guys. I don't know who I'm talking to right now. You Christians out there, you lovers of God?

[Aaron McIntyre]

God?

[Ian Crosland]

I don't know, dude. I love God. I love.

[Tim Pool]

Huh?

[Ian Crosland]

I think it's redundant to say God in that sentence.

[Tim Pool]

I love.

[Ian Crosland]

I am.

[Libby Emmons]

No, that's, that's what God says.

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, that's what God says.

[Ian Crosland]

You guys, I am God, and so are you.

[Tim Pool]

You guys have seen the story that, like, all these concerts aren't selling tickets anymore.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, that was interesting.

[Tim Pool]

I. I think everyone's bored. I think their brains are fried. I think they're overstimulated from AI and the Internet. And it's literally like if someone just.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Just.

[Tim Pool]

You ever have, like, you eat, like, a bowl of ice cream, and then after you do, you, like, go to take a sip of, like, a Coke or something, it doesn't taste sweet because you just.

[Ian Crosland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Or, like, the end. The other way around or something. Like, you've. You've stimulated the sweet so much, you don't really taste it. I think that's where we're at right now, like, culturally.

[Libby Emmons]

Definitely overstimulated. Although, you know, it was a good concert, was Phil's concert. I saw him in Philly with Lisa, and we had a great time.

[Ian Crosland]

Phil and Philly?

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, it was really.

[Tim Pool]

He had a great show. We saw Phil's show in Baltimore.

[Libby Emmons]

Killer show. Lisa crowd surfed.

[Tim Pool]

She did?

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And she's, like, 80.

[Ian Crosland]

I saw Charles crowd surfing too. Hi, Lisa.

[Tim Pool]

She's gonna text me.

[Ian Crosland]

No, Lisa's not quite 80. No.

[Tim Pool]

Nowhere close.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, man.

[Tim Pool]

Make art.

[Ian Crosland]

Phil's doing it. He's living the solution. Right now he's touring with his band.

[Libby Emmons]

It was like, oh, I'm gonna go see my friend play a rock show. That's awesome.

[Ian Crosland]

We keep making this AI music, but I think.

[Libby Emmons]

And we had drunk pizza after. It was great.

[Tim Pool]

Do we. We got redistricting stories. Let's just do this story right here. I saw this viral post thing with concerts.

[Libby Emmons]

I'd be happy to go to concerts if, like, it was fun.

[Tim Pool]

So we've got this viral post, Red states versus blue states, where the money went. It's actually very fascinating. Red states are bringing in trillions, and blue states are dumping trillions. It's almost 1 for 160 billion from

[Libby Emmons]

new York is what it looks like.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And now that was. That group like Apollo or whatever, Big Wealth Management, whatever, said they're leaving Citadel.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Well, wait, wait.

[Tim Pool]

Ken Griffin said he's actually leaving now?

[Libby Emmons]

Well, he said he's doubling down on his whole Miami thing, so we'll have to see if he actually leaves.

[Tim Pool]

Wow.

[Libby Emmons]

Wild. I mean, could you imagine? The mayor goes to. Goes to your house and starts saying that you don't deserve to have your house. Why would you want to stay in that stupid town?

[Tim Pool]

Not only that, but it's an investment property that funds a bunch of jobs. In a building. And.

[Libby Emmons]

And he had a $6 billion project going into Manhattan, and now he's like, maybe not.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe we'll just move 6 billion.

[Libby Emmons]

6 billion.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. So what do we do when all these states collapse and all the red states are all nice about it?

[Libby Emmons]

We put up walls.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. You need border control, but for blue states.

[Libby Emmons]

Yes, we need border control. We need walls.

[Tim Pool]

Remember when they were doing barrier border checkpoints during COVID Yeah. People were trying to flee New York, so Connecticut set up barriers, and they were, like, IDing people.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, they should have just gone to Jersey. Jersey didn't have any walls up.

[Tim Pool]

But Jersey is a peninsula.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

So you get stuck. That's why we left. One of the reasons you left Jersey,

[Libby Emmons]

because it was a peninsula.

[Tim Pool]

We were buying the property in the cat. We were buying the castle, and we decided to leave before it was done already because we were like, they were talking about shutting the bridges down, and I was like, if they shut them down and we are trapped on this peninsula, that'd be terrifying. We should leave now and go inland.

[Libby Emmons]

And even so, where could you go? Delaware, New York or Pennsylvania.

[Tim Pool]

I was banking on Texas.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, no.

[Tim Pool]

If you're in Jersey, you can't go anywhere.

[Libby Emmons]

That's what I'm saying.

[Tim Pool]

Peninsula.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Because you can go up.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. But the bridges. I'm saying just the bridges. You could go to New York, Pennsylvania, or Delaware. Not great. Not.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's why you need the escape yacht. You know, like a Bond villain.

[Tim Pool]

Like a Bond villain mind.

[Libby Emmons]

An escape yacht. That sounds fun. As long as there's no other people on it. And no rats.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

You don't want to get Hana virus.

[Ian Crosland]

I was thinking about something else. It's off topic. No, I'm just kidding. I'll keep going on topic, too. I've just been practicing how to. How to gather electricity from storm clouds, but we could talk about that at a different time.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, Franklin, there's a. The thing here, too, is, like, in West Virginia, because I was looking at West Virginia, because here we are, you know, in West Virginia. West Virginia had a 19% increase in population last year, but it doesn't look like they.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, but only. Only in the eastern panhandle.

[Libby Emmons]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

It's all. It's all the libs fleeing their failed policies.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, we have to make sure they don't vote.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know, man. You know, do we, like, build a wall?

[Ian Crosland]

No, we just play music, man.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's the wall.

[Ian Crosland]

The wall is in your soul, dude. We create a buffer of.

[Tim Pool]

Of that's right.

[Ian Crosland]

Thank you, horse. Lloyd, I'm telling you, we don't need physical wall. We do need physical walls. That's why we have houses. But in addition to physical walls, you need mental. You need mental thing. You need things that make people not

[Tim Pool]

want to do it.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, I don't want the livs coming in here and voting out the. The representatives that we have. But this is the representatives we have.

[Aaron McIntyre]

This is the eternal problem of capital flight though, right? Is like, everyone's like, ha ha, stupid libs. You passed all these policies, you made your place unlivable. Then they move and you're like, oh, look, our ideas are better. And then they.

[Libby Emmons]

Garlic and the cross.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, they just bring their ideas with them and they just go through the same cycle over and over again.

[Ian Crosland]

I think you should have to live in a state for three years before you can vote.

[Tim Pool]

I'd put that much, much higher and spend $100.

[Libby Emmons]

But that's actually really not a bad idea because, I mean, it's voting now. I've been in the state.

[Tim Pool]

Voting should cost money.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's called a poll tax. Unfortunately, that's unconstitutional.

[Libby Emmons]

You're not allowed to pay.

[Tim Pool]

No, it's actually just. You got to put money in.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, you gotta like put money on it.

[Ian Crosland]

Wait, you just cover it in a different way.

[Libby Emmons]

You want to like, gamble?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, but this one is totally cool. Completely constitutional.

[Tim Pool]

If we charged money to vote, the game would. Would be so different. Like, yeah, but Democrats would never win again.

[Libby Emmons]

That is not legal. But you did. I did.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, I support it. I'm just saying we'd have to change the constitution.

[Libby Emmons]

But I.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, wait, no, you don't. You don't have to pay to vote, but you have to provide a, a donation that is also mandatory.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Stay with me here. Stay with me. Service guarantees citizenship.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, I don't mind that I wait a table. But that's how people can get citizenship if they're non citizens and then they join the military, that kind of thing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So this is, this is actually what a classically like a republic was supposed to look like. Like you, if you were willing to defend the country, you were allowed to vote. That's the classic definition of an actual republic.

[Libby Emmons]

That's how we had so many Irishmen in the Civil War.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, as a southerner whose, you know, family was shot by those Irishmen, I have mixed feelings about Lincoln importing a bunch of immigrants to murder our Americans. But, you know, feel how you feel you went about that, right?

[Ian Crosland]

Service guarantees citizenship. Might lead towards a lot of Illegal immigrants joining the military.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well, I mean, so to be to be clear, in the classical republican sense, service guarantees citizenship. Means when citizens serve, they then are elevated to the point where they can vote. So for instance, in the Roman military was when it was a republic, voluntary. In fact, not only was it voluntary, you had to pay for your own equipment. There was no, like, wages for being a soldier. And that's where we get equestrian class. They were the people who were wealthy enough to buy horses. That's why we got the word night out of it. And that worked its way into English because literally you had to purchase your way into fighting in the military. And that's what proved you to be worthy of elevation. Going through the curse of Sarnoram, like ultimately elevating and taking political office. That's the classic understanding. Machiavelli had the same understanding. He said all republics need to have their own citizen soldiers. They shouldn't have any other standing armies or, you know, any of these other people get hired. Like it's. That's where it should come from. So it's. You don't want to bring in a bunch of outsiders because that's also how Rome fell. They started paying a bunch of immigrants to be in the military. And it turned out that actually if you hire your entire military from a bunch of Gauls who are moving in, they don't actually care about Rome.

[Ian Crosland]

And that's. Was that just a phenomenon that it inevitable because they overexpanded?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yes. And because their birth rates fell and they let a lot of people come in to fill in the. If this sounds familiar, let me know.

[Ian Crosland]

But I think I've heard this story.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We might be going through something similar right now.

[Ian Crosland]

Have we over expand. If the power goes out, we've over expanded. If we have electricity, we seem to have not. I am concerned about a power outage.

[Libby Emmons]

Well, but that's because people are doing stupid things with their power and trying to convert their entire grids to solar and renewables, which is not effective, by the way.

[Ian Crosland]

Have you heard that all these data centers, they're cut. They're like done.

[Tim Pool]

Not done.

[Ian Crosland]

But they're like, we're gonna stop putting data centers on Earth. We're gonna start putting them in orbit because that's.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's the plan. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Really?

[Libby Emmons]

Other thing where they're gonna start putting them on people's homes.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't want that. Stay the. Away from. Excuse me. Well, stay away from me if you.

[Ian Crosland]

What if you got paid 80 bucks a month to host one? No 150 bucks a month. What if it's a thousand dollars a month? Really?

[Libby Emmons]

Nope. Keep your data center away from me. And it's noisiness and whatever else.

[Ian Crosland]

What if it's silent?

[Tim Pool]

There's talk now of putting mini data servers on everyone's home.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Weird.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Ad/Promo Voice]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Like a Tesla battery, a wall battery. If it was just in your garage

[Tim Pool]

and you just spies on everything you do, knows when the lights are turned on, it knows how much power you're consuming. No chance it can use a WI FI signal to actually see you in your home.

[Ian Crosland]

That might be how instead of UBI straight up. It might be the AI companies that pay people to host their servers.

[Libby Emmons]

It's like the average American Home has 20 Internet connected devices.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, that sounds right. Especially as you start turning every appliance

[Tim Pool]

into a smart like our toaster.

[Libby Emmons]

I have nine. I have nine Internet connected devices.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, wow.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Washers, dryers, microwaves.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't have those. When I went to buy my washer dryer, they were like, and this one is smart and it tells you when you need detergent. And I was like, I will pay you extra for the dumb one. Just give me the dumb one. I don't want the fridge talking. I don't want the washer dryer talking. I want a toaster that you pop down.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I want a car that doesn't shut itself off when the government wants to kill me.

[Tim Pool]

None of this, none of this are crazy.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't want any of that. How is it possibly reasonable to have that in your car? That's so crazy. Between that and everything being, we literally

[Tim Pool]

talked about this a year or two ago.

[Libby Emmons]

I hate it.

[Tim Pool]

They were going to be able to commandeer your vehicle.

[Libby Emmons]

They're doing it in the uk. They're charging people extra tax based on how much they drive in their electric cars. Now that they are outlawing entirely gas cars.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Why?

[Libby Emmons]

How is this possible? Like, why would you ever buy a car in the uk? I mean, not that like the rest of the uk, even if you don't have a car, you have some kind of civil liberties which you don't. Absolutely out of control.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I mean, eventually they'll charge you for driving a car that, that you can actually drive. Like they'll charge you a premium because you're endangering everyone because you're not letting AI be a safe driver or just

[Tim Pool]

insurance is going to go up.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

They're going to say, listen, there's very few insured drivers these days. Your insurance rate is going to be $3,000 per month. Of course you're allowed to drive your own car.

[Ian Crosland]

Wealthy luxury to be able to drive your own vehicle.

[Libby Emmons]

What Hell, they are turning everything into once good.

[Ian Crosland]

What could be better than that? A technocracy. What could be better than a technocracy?

[Libby Emmons]

That we're every literally. Anarchy would be better than a technology.

[Tim Pool]

No communism, no rule. Would you rather live in a communist dictatorship or technocracy?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh God, you said the same thing twice.

[Ian Crosland]

I know. No, no, no.

[Tim Pool]

I mean like. I mean like an industrial revolution era Soviet communist dictatorship or a modern era technocracy? What about like, I'd say technocracy. Easy.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, yeah. I mean what about like as long

[Aaron McIntyre]

as my communism is gay space and luxury, it's fine.

[Tim Pool]

Gay space and luxury.

[Libby Emmons]

Sounds terrible.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Gay space and space luxury, communism. It's a joke of like the future.

[Libby Emmons]

And then I spend like two days being like oh my goodness. Is everything in the entire world going straight to hell?

[Ian Crosland]

No, no, it's just going towards a technocracy.

[Libby Emmons]

Hell yes.

[Ian Crosland]

But not if we do it right. Because what's happening is Elon, you can have a corporate government that is done like the American government. We need to architect. We were doing this.

[Libby Emmons]

The next thing you know they're just selling you the air you breathe.

[Ian Crosland]

I worked with, I started a company. It's a social network called MINDS where we developed through all US law. Basically, what would it be like to govern yourself on a wet on a social network? So the people, if like something gets reported, it goes to the jury of people that, that volunteer for a jury and then they can say yes, that violates.

[Libby Emmons]

You volunteer for a jury?

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah. And then if their account gets it wrong, then they get deprioritized in their juror capabilities and people will sort of self police the network. If we can create a system like that, that's a corporation where people can get paid for using it. It's righteous. It involves the US Constitution as its basis. Then we can preempt the global economic corporate governance.

[Libby Emmons]

We already have the U.S. constitution where we're all represented. You know, we can all vote for representatives and ideally they represent our interests in the seat of government.

[Ian Crosland]

But the World Economic Forum is talking about corporate governance. They want to move away from national governance to a corporate governance.

[Libby Emmons]

Who cares what they want? They're not American. They don't have anything to do with us. They suck. I don't want any international law.

[Ian Crosland]

Well, they do have stuff to do with us because they're running the banks.

[Libby Emmons]

Right. And we should not be in debt to any of these groups at all.

[Ian Crosland]

I understand the ideal, I understand ideally it wouldn't happen, but the reality is it's moving in that direction. So. So unless we break the system and fall into tribal warfare, I think we're headed towards a collective unification and we need to do it right. We need to do it in the American guise.

[Libby Emmons]

We're not going to do it right. It's going to be terrible.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So I wrote a book about this and what we're pushing towards is this china is what N.S. lyons called the China Convergence. Like everyone is arriving at the solution you're talking about. You can't govern people at scale with the systems we want without basically just triangulating on techno fascism. Like that's basically where every government has to go. So everyone's going to dress it up in different cultural requirements. We're going to use, you know, social scores of one kind in China and different in the United States and different Europe.

[Libby Emmons]

So that's the word for it, techno fascism.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Well no, they wouldn't call it that. But functionally what we're talking about is state control, entire state control of ideological understandings of the world through technocratic means. Like that's going to be where everyone's going. And so that's why everyone is implementing censorship of the Internet right now. That's why everyone's trying to tie bank accounts down. That's why everyone's trying to make sure you can't drive in your car. That's why. Because the only way you can take diverse large groups of people and govern them at scale is through basically technological tyranny. It's the only option.

[Ian Crosland]

And I identify with self governance so I don't want someone else to govern, I want to govern myself with others governing ourselves. So I see like a mesh network where everyone has their own social network that's connected to every other network and everyone has their own cryptocurrency tracked with their person that they can pay people for and people can buy things from them with discounts with. They use their own crypto, so it gives your inherent crypto value if you do things. And then you can decide the rules and regulations of your own network. People can still access your network from their system where they have their own rules. And if they want to ban your stuff from their network they can, but they can't ban you. You have full control of your own network. So it's kind of like, like techno techno republic. It wouldn't, it doesn't necessarily have to be top down.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You're talking about patchwork, actually. So there's a. I don't want to sidetrack everybody on this, but Curtis Yarvin, you might have heard about him. Yeah, I had to meet him. Yeah, yeah, he, he talked about Patrick a long time ago, which is basically like this quasi authoritarian, quasi libertarian synthesis of understandings where you have these micro states and each one of them is governed by someone with absolute power, but they're all competing against each other in a hyper capitalistic manner. So you can choose to go to one patch, you can choose to go to the other, and they don't have to interact with each other. And so people who see one system that works better, they can move there, but there's no voiding, there's no voting, there's no voice. Your only option is exit. Your only option is moving from one patch to the other. And this allows you to kind of basically choose what forms of government and let them compete against each other for people who are ultimately going to be most valuable by producing the best systems while still having like this high degree of autonomy. But again, none of the incentives that like destroy democracies by like handing about out a bunch of stuff and getting power through votes.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, I like that. Because your vote is where you go. What you decide to do with your time is your vote. And then it would create like a market of terms of service. Whoever has the best terms of service, that's where the people will go.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Think of a thousand Singaporeans where like, yeah, hyper capitalists. A lot of people want to live there. But also if you spit gum on the sidewalk, they're going to cane you. And if you bring weed into the country, they're going to kill you. Like that's kind of the, the, the, the blueprint.

[Tim Pool]

We're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show in 15 minutes. For now we're go to the Rumble rants and super chats. That uncensored portion will [e-mail] Timcast IRL. Before we go, guys, pick up some delicious cast brew coffee Mother's Day bundle available now. And more importantly, if you go to the right on the cast, brew.com, we got this pool, water use promo code death for 20% off. But we're gonna grab your rumble rants over now. We got that. Josh 2371 says, have you heard of the quartering flagging people's videos, mislabeling coffee, violating FDA guidelines and Hannah Claire quitting on them? I've not heard any of that. I did not know anything about that? No, nothing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I just remember when he got famous for Magic the Gathering controversies.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, yeah, he got banned him from. All right. HSD says freaking shiny hunters hacked Canvas. And I'm freaking out because my. My daughter is finishing high school through a school that uses them. She's freshly 18 and I don't know what to do. Advice. What is. What is that?

[Libby Emmons]

Wait, can somebody hacked Canvas?

[Tim Pool]

What is that?

[Libby Emmons]

Canvas is the program that is used by all.

[Tim Pool]

Like a PowerPoint thing?

[Libby Emmons]

Not exactly. That's Canva.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, sorry.

[Libby Emmons]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Canvas is like the Mediterranean food place

[Libby Emmons]

where you like where all your grades are. It's where your teachers give you assignments. It's like it tracks everything.

[Tim Pool]

My conspiracy theory is that everything is going to get hacked and published online and that is going to be the mechanism by which they usher in technocracy. Because everyone's going to be like, just staring at each other and there's going to be a bunch of journalists with like weird tentacle stuff on their hard drives.

[Libby Emmons]

Gross.

[Tim Pool]

Well, that was actual guy I'm referencing. You know what I mean?

[Libby Emmons]

There was a tentacle guy.

[Tim Pool]

You don't remember that guy? Anti Trump guy took a picture of his screen and had Jeffrey tube tentacle stuff on it. You don't remember that?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't remember.

[Tim Pool]

I remember that, but I don't remember who it was.

[Libby Emmons]

I don't remember.

[Tim Pool]

How do you guys not aware of this big anti Trump journalist? I remember who was the end of Trump Journal. Ian wouldn't know.

[Ian Crosland]

I might know. You never know until you ask. What's the question?

[Tim Pool]

Who is the tentacle guy?

[Ian Crosland]

I don't know. That's a good guy. Should I ask.

[Tim Pool]

Was it Kurt? Kurt Eichenwald. Right. Was that.

[Ian Crosland]

The guy knows? You want me to ask him? He knows everything, I think.

[Libby Emmons]

Journalist distracts from comey hearing by defend. Yeah. Kurt Eichenwald.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's the anti Trump guy.

[Libby Emmons]

2017.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah. Before I started paying attention.

[Tim Pool]

Huh.

[Libby Emmons]

That's why.

[Tim Pool]

Wow, you missed a heck of a news cycle. He posted a screenshot of his laptop and now like people noticed that one of his tabs was like, like weird tentacle stuff.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, like tentacle porn?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And he was like, no, I was just showing my wife and everyone. Wait, what? Yeah, I was explaining to her that existed and I was going to show her.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

It's like honest about that For a long time. I had a bet.

[Libby Emmons]

There's Lord of the Overfiend. Everybody watching that when college.

[Ian Crosland]

What is it? What?

[Libby Emmons]

It's awful.

[Tim Pool]

What is that? And why were you watching it?

[Libby Emmons]

Tentacle thing. Because we were. We were all.

[Tim Pool]

I don't. Wait, wait.

[Libby Emmons]

We're all tripping on acid and we're watching Lord of the Over Fiend, like you do, and then we switched. Switched and started watching pornography. No, it was a cartoon.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, no, that's not what we're talking about.

[Ian Crosland]

Tentacle.

[Libby Emmons]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, the weird tentacle stuff is like. He's looking at comics of women being captured by octopuses.

[Libby Emmons]

I'm pretty sure that's what this is. It was creepy.

[Ian Crosland]

I think it's because octopuses are smart. Oh, it's octopi, isn't it? So it's kind of like sexy, you know, because they're intelligent, they know what they're doing.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. That's what it's all about, the intelligence now.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Suction cups.

[Libby Emmons]

Very weird.

[Ian Crosland]

It was sapio. Sexual. What's it.

[Libby Emmons]

It was very weird.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. People.

[Ian Crosland]

I mean, people. That one woman who's gonna hook it up with the dolphins. So I don't know.

[Libby Emmons]

What was the deal with the kamikaze dolphins?

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, apparently we have the best kamikaze dolphins in the world, and Iran definitely doesn't have them, according to Pete Hegseth.

[Tim Pool]

I think.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, it may be true. I don't know if they've trained dolphins to work. The CIA has trained dolphins to work with them.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I like that. We're just racing towards Aquaman technology.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, yeah. I want to see one of those

[Libby Emmons]

crazy book by Kobo Abe, this Japanese writer called. I think it was called Secret Rendezvous. And it was about how Japan is evolving human beings to live underwater.

[Ian Crosland]

Really? I mean, those Polynesians could swim.

[Tim Pool]

They're gonna. I've got questions for you, Olivia, but let's grab some more of these rumble rants.

[Libby Emmons]

I went to Sarah Lawrence College. That's the answer for your rowdy racer

[Tim Pool]

Says, in keeping with tradition, my wife and I are in the hospital waiting for the arrival of our baby girl.

[Ian Crosland]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Nice. Congratulations.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Congratulations.

[Tim Pool]

Babies are great.

[Ian Crosland]

Nice job.

[Tim Pool]

My. My daughter has. She's had mama before and stuff like that, but now she's figured it out, so now all she says is mama, because she gets whatever she wants.

[Aaron McIntyre]

There you go.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, she just stands there and goes, mama.

[Ian Crosland]

Mama.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And then my wife was like, she's been Pavlov.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, it's like, right at Mother's Day, too. Oh, yeah. I mean, hi. You know. But I, I, I. You know, she would say it sometimes, and then not now. It's like, hey, call Mom. And she'll say, mama, you Know.

[Ian Crosland]

So yeah, yeah. You got to be ready for the day when that won't work anymore. Let her know ahead of time.

[Tim Pool]

One day. What do we got here? Snozberry says Plague Inc. Oh, my God. The hate. The hate it for half. Greenland, Iceland, Madagascar. The hate it those islands.

[Ian Crosland]

I think that's what he's talking about.

[Tim Pool]

That's why you always had to make sure that you went for boats to get those hard to reach places. Then you know what was really annoying about the game? When they would mutate and it would automatically mutate to a very deadly thing. And you're like, stop. No, get rid of that. Because then they're gonna.

[Ian Crosland]

You could play as like a. What is it? A bacterium, a virus. You could play as the brain things. What are those called? Like prion. A prion. And every one of them functions differently.

[Tim Pool]

Prions are very different prions.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I only ever played the pandemic, which is the other way around. Where you have to cure the Right.

[Ian Crosland]

They made that after expansion.

[Tim Pool]

Also, he says, I love Tim. I love Tim and Ian. They keep bringing up my favorite games since 93. Civilization, which both of my sons play now and play gink that I play every now and again to this day. Civilization. Except for the like, I don't know what was five the last good one?

[Ian Crosland]

Well, six is pretty good. I haven't played seven. Wait, no, no. What's the new one? Seven.

[Tim Pool]

That's what everyone's complaining like, I've played five. Yeah, it's not done.

[Ian Crosland]

They need to make civ. If you guys.

[Tim Pool]

No, there's no Israel in it.

[Ian Crosland]

You need to make a. Yeah, it's

[Tim Pool]

kind of weird, isn't it?

[Ian Crosland]

Next civ, please break the mold. You got to make it three dimensional where you can go up. So it's like a 6, 60 sided Q or like a hexagon, you know where. So you can go up or down. So you can go up into the air. With planes, you go higher into the air.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Ian Crosland]

Or underwater or underground. Like that will take civ to the next level. Because they're getting redundant and there's so many better four times.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I mean, Civ 4 is all you needed.

[Ian Crosland]

Civil war is phenomenal.

[Tim Pool]

All you got to do is keep patching with new technology. When it comes out, you can win

[Ian Crosland]

by religious victory, cultural victory, scientific victory, and military victory. Are there other ones?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No, I think those were they. Because they added the religious one later on.

[Tim Pool]

Well, if everyone has your religion.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Or like, what is victory in A civilization, you know what I mean?

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah. Cultural cohesion where they're all into what you believe, like the American way of life or the religious victory or you get to Alpha Centauri first, basically, and populate another star system.

[Tim Pool]

I got. I got to read this one. B. Steven says the current Democrat platform is a successor of the Communist party. Agreed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'll take that. Legal reasoning.

[Ian Crosland]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see, what have we here? Vince says the aliens will give reason to kill Christians. Is that what you're saying to KL Christians? Is that what it's supposed to say? Let's see. Common sense fishing says slow news day or capitalizing on people's stupidity. Hantavirus has been spreadable human to human and documented since the 90s. No, not going to be a pandemic, etc. Andy Strain been known. Duh. Indeed. I looked up the previous years and this is not remarkable. Like in previous years we had more cases. So it's just.

[Ian Crosland]

This is just a high profile case on a cruise. An American. Was an American cruise ship?

[Tim Pool]

No, I think it was from maybe Argentina or Chile.

[Ian Crosland]

Got people yelled about it on a ship.

[Tim Pool]

All right, let's see, what do we got here? Nexus says, Tim, can you please re release your first boonies pro model so I can complete the set of your boonies board? The chicken one is that which. I don't know which one that is. Is that the. The chicken amendment one?

[Ian Crosland]

I like that one.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, oh, the first one with actually just the Roberto. We have a stack of them here. We can have one contact the Discord community. Olivia could probably help facilitate and we'll just send you one for free because they're lying around anyway. Let's see, we can grab a couple more here. X, Z says Tim, I work with a company who has 10k employees who has to do with rat mouse poop and poop dust. None have gotten the virus, which comes from rodent poop. Unless you sniff lick the ground, you'll be just fine. Not worried. Well, there you go.

[Ian Crosland]

Poop dust. It's the first time I ever heard that poo dust.

[Tim Pool]

You know, one's worried about poo dust.

[Ian Crosland]

I am now.

[Tim Pool]

Well, we have chickens poop and chicken poop dust is an issue.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah, nasty.

[Tim Pool]

I used to breathe because the chickens poop everywhere, Right? Walk around and then they'll go like. And then it just flies up in the air and you go like. Smell that beautiful country air?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Ian Crosland]

Get overwhelmed filming.

[Tim Pool]

Yep. What do we got going on? We'll grab a couple more here we got a few minutes. James says, I'm a monarchist. I think having a family who can be voted out of power would solve the problem with both systems. So. So a king who's impeachable.

[Aaron McIntyre]

So this was actually Alexander Hamilton's idea that the, that the presidency would basically be a lifelong monarchy that would be elected when the monarch died. So basically you would always have a president who served for his entire life and then you would elect a new one when he passed.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, that's interesting idea.

[Ian Crosland]

Monarchy. That's actually an old version of monarchy.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah, but that also means that it's like a once in a. It's literally a once in a three generation.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Exactly. Yeah. You have an election every 20, 30 years.

[Ian Crosland]

You better believe that the king is going to try and control that next. His, his successor, no matter what. So that's the danger of having a guy in power for 30 years.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Unlike our current system where Barack Obama definitely not have influenced an entire presidency to which he could have not been elected. Right?

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah. It'd be crazy if he, like, supported Biden or something. Yeah. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

All right. S. What is a sign? Nick says maybe everything in CVS wouldn't need behind plexiglass other than the sunscreen, because some people can't be better. Have you guys seen the viral video where it's a black woman complaining how racist the store is because the, the white foundation, the paler foundation is in the open and the darker foundation is sealed away? No, she's like, this is proof, you know, like, white people don't have to grow up like this. And it's like, you understand, they put those things there not because they're like, let's be racist. It's because the inventory system says where it has to go. Based on what? Shrinkage? Is that what it's called?

[Aaron McIntyre]

There's always that, that subtle hint if you walk into a liquor store where all the Hennessy bottles have the control, the, you know, the, this, the theft control device on them and all the $200 Scotch bottles don't.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Orion says my wife is Christine Sarmiento. Said she is running for governor in California as a no party candidate. NP candidates are ignored by the media. She's a public health nurse for downtown LA and can speak on the hantavirus, Covid, hospice, skid row and fraud. Ah, well, interesting. I think, I think we're gonna have Spencer Pratt. Come on.

[Libby Emmons]

Oh, that's cool.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And I, he, I, I reached out to him. He told me that it was actually one of our discord members who helped make his videos. I don't want to speak out of turn because I don't know exactly who did what or what it was, but apparently, you know, he's. He's well aware. He's. He's crushing. He's fantastic, by the way. And he's not like some hardcore conservative. Right. He's like an LA guy.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Lived in the Palisades. There's like a moderate. I don't know.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah, he just, he grew up in Pacific Palisades. He was like on. He lived there. His house burned down. His parents house burned down.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Libby Emmons]

And he was like on reality tv.

[Ian Crosland]

Yeah. He was an actor.

[Tim Pool]

Right. I thought I was making this up for a second.

[Libby Emmons]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And it's crazy that we live in a country where they're going to vote for Karen Bass or that, you know, what's her, what's her name? Priyathol or whatever.

[Libby Emmons]

Naman.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, is that what it is?

[Libby Emmons]

I don't think she has a chance.

[Tim Pool]

I think you think Karen Bass is going to win. That's because people in LA are dumb.

[Libby Emmons]

But I mean, you look at Spencer Pratt and you see him talk and you listen to what he's saying and stuff and you're like, no, he should, he should be mayor of my town. Like, he's great.

[Ian Crosland]

Oh, he was in the Bold and the Beautiful CBS soap opera.

[Libby Emmons]

He has really. He has like a lot of strong ideas about how to clean up the streets and prevent these kinds of fires from happening again.

[Ian Crosland]

Interesting. I mean, that's sounds.

[Tim Pool]

Kristen says, Ian, techno nations. No physical borders, just network borders. So I, I pitched an idea to the Daily Wire guys and to Angel Studios. I. I say pitch lightly. I told them the idea. I had that talk about in the show. The idea for the show is fast pitch. We got one minute. There's one city left on Earth. All the other cities are left in ruins. Humans don't know at what point the collapse happened or why it happened. And there's one city with 10 million residents in the outskirts and there's farms. One day a scouting mission goes out and they see these strange thin beings in all white suit with chrome helmets. And they like, they're like, put your hands up, you know, because I don't know what it is. And they're scouting outside the city and then these beings just like, raise their hand and blast them with energy and vaporize a guy. And they're like, ah. And then they think these creatures must have been what destroyed all of human civilization. And so then you get Drama for, like, a season where they encounter these beings, these creatures. Then one day, they're, like, at a junkyard, and they get into a firefight, and the humans are trapped, and they're like, we can't get out. And then. So then one guy hits a button, and then, like, the big magnet lift drops a car and crushes one of these things, and the rest of them all just, like, float away. And then when they go up and they rip the helmet off, it's a human head with no hair. And they're like, oh, my God, they're humans. And then the twist at the end is that it turns out civilization never collapsed. Humans just moved into pods underground, where they live in pods in virtual reality 100, 200 years ago. And the humans that remain were the people who lived outside of cities. They lived in rural areas. They never integrated. And the reason why they can't figure out what happened is because all of the newspapers stopped at a certain date. All of the servers stopped producing data, stopped displaying websites at a certain date. It slowly just trickles out because the news is now in their networked environment, not outside. For instance, if Benjamin Franklin was alive today, he'd say, I must figure out what's happening in this world. Get me a periodical. And we'd be like, well, no, we use our phones to get the news. He'd be like, what is that? So if, let's say the time froze and, you know, George Washington appeared here and everyone was frozen in time, he'd be looking for a newspaper to try and figure out what was going on. But there's limited information, and that's what's basically the story. And then, you know, the season two is they plug themselves into the matrix, and then there's interactions between human civilization and the pods. The reason the beings came up out of ground is because periodically, if they'd maintain the servers and the power structures.

[Ian Crosland]

I like that a lot because I think about preserving data. That's really the essence of evolution.

[Tim Pool]

Sorry, but let's save it for the uncensored, because we're over. Smash the like button. Share the Show Uncensored Portion rumble.com timcastirl Follow me on Exit Instagram @timcast ar do you want to shout anything out?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah. Again, Oren McIntyre Show. It's on Blaze TV, Rumble, YouTube, all the podcast platforms. And then I've got my book. The Total State is coming out in its second edition in paperback with an extra chapter. So if you want to pick that up, you can do that now.

[Libby Emmons]

I would like to shout out the pod millennial and human events.com and you can oh, and the post Millennial. And you can find my podcast@the podmillennial.com and you can find me on Twitter Ibby Emmons.

[Ian Crosland]

Go over and subscribe to my YouTube channel. Ian Crossland I went live last night kind of late from 2am or something and played music. It was a lot of fun. Thanks for coming everybody. Ian Crossland all across social media. Follow me and I'll see you later. Carter Banks I actually was like up

[Tim Pool]

when you were doing that and I went to go click on it and it was like over. But then I saw you in a blue room playing guitar. So yeah, definitely subscribe to Ian's channel. It's sick. You can follow me at Carter bank everywhere. And yeah, we will see you [e-mail] Timcast IRL right now. Thanks for hanging out.