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Sam, Let's start over. The madman's done it. Donald Trump has announced the framework of a deal over Greenland. Now, it's not going to be total ownership, but it's got everybody pretty happy. Denmark seems to be happy and NATO seems to be happy. Trump seems to be a little let down because he really wanted to own Greenland and he's not gonna. But it's described as an indefinite deal with mineral rights, strategic access, and it's meant to keep Russia and China out of Greenland. And the deal itself will be about protecting Greenland and the Arctic. It seems like this was a classic Donald Trump big ask. He comes out and says, we're gonna take Greenland. And everyone freaks out. And he goes, okay, maybe just a little bit. They say, okay, fine. How about a little bit? And now we're moving forward. Unfortunately, that means no Trump Hotel just blistering in the skyline of Greenland. But it's okay. We'll take what we can get. And then we got a bunch of other news. We've got Bovino, he's a ice guy. Dhs. Is he DHS or ice?
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Border patrol.
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Border patrol. I was way off while DHS and he got attacked at a speedway and they wouldn't serve him. They wouldn't let him and his guys come in to get snacks. Now there's call for a major boycott. And then of course we're, we've got news coming out of Virginia where they're, they're basically gearing up to go to war with the federal government. I guess, uh, weird stuff going on. Let's just leave it at that and we'll get into it. It's gonna be a little bit freaky, but before we do, got a great sponsor for you. It is Beam Dream. My friends, head over to shop b e a m.com timcast and pick up your nighttime sleep aid to help you sleep better. Beam Dream's amazing. It's got althen, it's got reishi, it's got melatonin, magnesium. I drink it every single night. Not a joke. Even I got Phil drinking it now. It's great. It's great. We got the little packet ones because we're. We're out of the studio, but I drink it every night before bed. A delicious cup of hot cocoa, Cinnamon cocoa. It's. It's my favorite. I don't know, I bounce between that and the brownie batter and only 15 calories, no added sugar. Drink it, Make a hot cup of cocoa right for the show every night. And I sleep beautifully. And y' all know I got a new baby who's always crying and somehow I make it through because I've got a great wife and, you know, but Beam Dream helps and I do recommend it. So check out Shop B E a m dot com Tim Pool is the. Is the link you can use and you get to 35% off. You can click the link in the description below. Shout out to Beam Dream. For sponsoring the show, I want to give a shout out to the Magnesium. Really. I mean, I think that's what's really, really helping me. Plus hydration. So I'm a big fan. Also, make sure you go to cast brew.com and pick up some delicious Cast Brew coffee. We've got the Rum Runners Roast, a buttery blend, bold and buttery, inspired by the Appalachian moonshiners. Rum Runners Roast brings smooth caramel, warm vanilla and a hint of spiced rum aroma. Check this one out. Of course, you can always pick up your Ian's Graphene Dream. Low acidity coffee. Some people, they get a stomachache when they drink their coffee. So Ian said, we gotta have cat, we gotta have coffee. It's low acidity. And we were like, ian, you're right. And so we made it and it sells amazing. So check it out@castbrew.com. don't forget to smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know and. And joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Arin McIntyre.
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Thanks for having me, Tim.
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Who are you? What do you do?
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I'm Warren McIntyre. I host a show on BlazeTV. I also write columns and books. You can find me on YouTube, rumble podcasts, everywhere you'd normally look.
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I'm at Ian Crosland. My name is Ian Crossland. That's why. And you can I'm like an actor, a musician, hilarious dude. I make light of a lot of situations, maybe sometimes when they're heavy. Follow me and check out Graphene Movie if you haven't yet. But before we do that, I want to throw it over to Tate Brown.
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What is going on, patriots? Tate Brown here holding it down. We didn't get to it yesterday, but we were supposed to cover how all of these stories impact Ian directly. So maybe we can avenge that and get that going today.
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Thanks, Phil.
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Hello everybody.
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My name is Phil Labonte. I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band all that Remains on Anti Communist and a Counter Revolutionary. Let's get into it.
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Here's the big breaking story from the Washington Post. Trump Hales framework of Greenland deal reversing tariff threats following this, the stock market jumped up, surging, The Dow surging 550 points, the S&P 500 Nasdaq jumping as Trump backs off the tariff threats. NATO seems to be pretty dang happy, NATO said in a statement. Negotiation between Denmark, Greenland and the United States will go forward aimed at ensuring that Russia and China never gain a foothold economically or militarily in Greenland. Ruts old Fox News special report with Brett Baer Wednesday that Danish sovereignty of the territory wasn't talked about in the meetings with Trump. We basically discussed how we can implement the President's vision on protecting, yes, Greenland, but of course this not only grand Greenland, this whole Arctic. Now here's the framework of the deal, the breaking details. We believe these to be the details. The US Will gain control over small pockets of land in Greenland. The US Will be involved in Greenland's mineral rights. Greenland is estimated to hold reserves worth as much as $5 trillion. The U.S. golden Dome system will be involved in Greenland when it's built. The deal is designed to block Russian and Chinese influence in Greenland. This will open the door to US Backed infrastructure investment. The duration of the deal will have an indefinite time frame. This means Trump will have secured land, minerals and defense in one deal, effectively getting everything they wanted and that Greenland and Denmark can say we won as well, maintaining their sovereignty, but the US Is going to basically do what they did before. So this looks like a classic Donald Trump big ask where he threatens to punch you in the face but then you agree to just hug.
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I Have to say, Donald, this is directly to you. You got me. I bought it hook, line and sinker. Last night. It was given up.
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He was crying.
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It was the end for me. I was like, you've gone too far. I cannot support you anymore. And then you turned and did this so nice job over Greenland. I was like, he's gonna get us in. He's threatening Europe. And if Europe turns on us, which they were talking about doing, sending troops to Greenland, plus then the Russians and the Chinese would also.
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The vultures would start to circle.
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So thank you, Donald, for being such a harsh, strong businessman in these desperate times turning this deal.
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You're not a plan truster and you are clearly a panic.
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And it's amazing that no matter how many times Trump uses this exact strategy, the same strategy he literally wrote a book about that. People just continuously do this. He anchors the position, he makes the big ask. He goes out there and makes sure that you are looking well beyond what he's actually looking for. And then he dials it back. He lets everybody be a winner. Everybody can relax. He's done this over and over again. And that's why we always say, you gotta watch not just what Trump says, but what he's doing, what he's actually planning, where he's actually setting himself. If you run out there and take every single thing he take he says seriously, then you're just falling for the exact strategy he's already laid out. You're being played just like the media. Doesn't mean you have to believe everything Trump says. Doesn't mean he gets free pass on everything. But people really do have to calm, calm down with the whole rhetorical stuff. We've seen this so many times over and over again, and people just end up embarrassing themselves when they take every bit of it seriously.
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That's my favorite part, when they embarrass themselves.
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Well, it works for Trump too, right?
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And to be fair with this, go around with again with the tariffs being threatened with Trump, like not refusing to admit that he could potentially go to war over this, a lot of plant trusters, a lot of our top guys were getting a little antsy. They were saying, you know, I like the deal, I like the strategy, but do we really need to apply this much pressure to Europe? These sorts of things, it's antagonizing, like, even like right wing parties in Europe. So shout out to the poster, Homan's top guy. He was never, he was a plant trust the entire time, anytime. Some of our guys were starting to be like, I Don't know. Donald, like, can we take the heat off a little bit? He'd be in the replies and just let him have it. So this, I think, to be honest, this was like the ultimate plan trusting test because like I said, a lot of the top plan trusters were even getting a little bit cold feet over this.
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This is, I don't know, I don't, I want to just be gracious, you know, for this deal looking like it's going through, but it makes me nervous about like, who's coming next, who's the next, because this guy is holding it together with like willpower. Donald Trump is like, people are terrified of him and they love him and they're like scared of him and they're like, geopolitically is a mastermind. I mean, I know people are studying him, Vance is studying him, but it's like he can't just become Donald Trump. I don't know.
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Look, if the, if Democrats do, you know, win and take control of like the House, the Senate and the, the executive office, like that's going to be the undoing of basically everything good that Donald Trump's done. They'll undo things that are good just the same way that Joe Biden opened the borders totally because of Donald Trump doing what he did about, you know, about the illegal immigration and stuff. They're going to undo even good things just to spite Donald Trump. So that's another reason why it's incredibly important that people go and vote in the midterms and, and go and vote for whoever isn't the Democrat. As much as people are out there that are like, oh, I'm sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. I don't care what you're tired of.
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Well, I mean, I'm black pilled after this redistricting thing. I don't think voting matters at all.
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I mean, it barely did to begin.
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With, but we did believe. Now Democrats and Republicans have basically been like, let's utilize the power we have to wipe out our opposition in our states. Except Indiana that went, oh, slow down there, Trump.
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Well, that's my larger concern, Tim. You see him consolidating places like Venezuela, you see him consolidating places like Greenland. We understand that we need a sphere of influence, but ultimately this is the empire, right? This is strengthening the empire. Now if the empire is being run by patriots, if it's being run for the advantages of the American people, that's fantastic. But the problem is if the Democrats get back to power and they have all the power that Trump has secured for the United States, but he hasn't secured it domestically. The unit of a scenario where the left now has a stronger global American empire, but they're running it for their own interest. They're running it for the globalists. They don't care about Americans. They're making sure to purge Americans, replace Americans. And so that's why I would prefer that while I love what the Trump administration is doing in certain areas, when it comes to securing our interests, if you don't secure the homeland, if you don't secure the voting, if you don't do that, then it doesn't matter because you're just turning all that stuff over to the Democrats. And if they don't get rid of it, like Phil said, they'll just use. Use it to hurt us.
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Yeah. Well, I made the point on the show last night, I think I was using your talking point, which is objectively true, is that it's no longer, these elections are no longer about, you know, swinging over independent voters and these sorts of things. To a degree, that's still important, but it really is just a census at the end of the day. And when you look at, again, like, these redistricting plays, when you look at, again, the immigration that took place under Biden, like, fundamentally what these elections are just coming down to is what is the actual makeup of that district. And then it just takes a snapshot of it. That's all that's really occurring these days.
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It seems like that should be illegal at the federal level for a state to do that because that gives that state untoward influence over national elections. So then the Supreme Court has to say, like, hey, you can't just all of a sudden say, our state is all Democratic voters because we redistricted everything. That's crazy.
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But the Constitution's very clear that that is the power that the states retain. And so that's the problem, is it was designed that way. You were supposed to be able to throw a spanner in the works. But when you, like you say when, that no longer becomes an issue of good faith, when people are actively and maliciously using the legal system to skew those politics, all of a sudden that federalism is a problem. Same thing when it comes down to states rights, when you're removing immigration. Right? Like, ultimately, yes, you should have federalism. They should have control over their law enforcement. But when they're actively choosing to allow violence in their state, when they're targeting Republicans, targeting conservatives, targeting churches, and they're just allowing violence to happen, can you really allow them to continue to operate? And this is the problem. No law will actually bind bad actors. No laws are only for people who are living and working together in a society together. The minute you have people maliciously working to undermine that trust, you can write all the laws you matter you want and they're never going to matter. It's never rule of law, it's always rule of people.
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Yeah.
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Do you think that the redistrict thing is just a lost cause? Have you given up on the voting stature of the states?
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I am not a fan of democracy. So to the extent that I think, you know, we have to continue to fight that because it is the way that we legitimize our rulers today. We have to fight for every inch and every advantage inside that system. But I think democracy is largely dead. I don't think we're going to get an actual mandate from the people anymore. I think it's all about pushing and pulling numbers, manipulating zones, controlling, you know, machine voting. But the idea that we're going to have some Mr. Smith goes to Washington nationwide debate on issues anymore is a joke. I mean, look at Congress. It can't even pass a bill.
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You're a smart guy. I completely agree. We've been heading in this direction and I feel like it's inevitable. It was an obvious inevitability. The. We've talked about this. A year ago, the geographic hyperpolarization, which was Covid right, people in New York moved to Florida. We were in West Virginia two months ago. I mean, technically we're still operating in West Virginia. We're here in Florida trying to work out our future plans because of the threats. The interesting thing is, despite the fact that we were in West Virginia, which is very based. You border Maryland and Virginia and Virginia has gone psych, totally psycho. I mean, what, what Spanberger's done, the socialists, the left, the commies are throwing their hats in the air, screaming and cheering. It's not even an exaggeration. She's. She's erased four years. As Tate said of Youngkin, In 48 hours, we're up there in West Virginia, but bordering this. It's contentious. We. I have weird beefs over like a skate park thing that was not real. And then I go like a D.C. and then there's some people who are like posting things saying Tim pools or races at a skate park or whatever. Come to Florida and everybody's cheering for us because of the geographic hyperpolarization. This was. What did I say was going to happen with New York and these other jurisdictions, when people leave New York, it's going to weaken the conservative voter base, meaning the politicians, the Democrats no longer have to try to earn at least some of the conservative vote and be a little moderate. That means when the primary comes around, around, the psycho commie is going to run against the moderate. And the, and the psycho commie is like, I don't got to pander to anybody. The conservatives are gone. This vote is only going to come down to the far left and the centrist Democrat. Centrist, the liberal Democrat. And so they're starting to win. And then where we're at now with the redistricting war was obvious. With people in California, conservative leaning, moving to Texas and Washington to Arizona and New York to Florida, the ability to push back is gone. And the Democrats in the state say we can now shut their voices out completely. The fascinating thing going on, we have a couple stories we gotta go through. New York is eliminating their 11th district seat. They're calling it unconstitutional. It's gonna redraw it. Eliminating a Republican. Maryland did the same thing. Mike Cernich had a great tweet. He said Maryland cut a deal with Republicans saying, you don't redistrict in your area. We won't redistrict here. And then when, I think it was Indiana, when Indiana's like, okay, fine, we won't do it. Maryland goes psych, we're doing it, let's go. And now they're eliminating the last Republican se. You can actually just. It's, to me, it's one plus one equals two. Okay, what happens when the midterm election is no longer having any toss ups at all? It's literally just 200 and, you know, 20 Democrats and then the rest Republicans had solid blue, solid red. There's, there's no elections anymore. It's literally just a Democrat. State will always be Democrat. It's happening at the federal level, the national level. What happened to our cities? The Democrats have controlled Chicago for over 100 years and there's zero chance a Republican will ever get elected there. And now it's happening at the state level and it's coming to Congress. And then what do you think the next course of action will be in this country? Because when there's nowhere left to go, the pressure builds up and the kettle explodes.
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I think the great sort has to happen. I think it was inevitable. The idea that we could.
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The great sort.
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The great sort, yeah. And yeah. The sorting of the different beliefs. We used to believe you could just live anywhere in the United States. And we shared enough values, enough social fabric, you'd be fine. And so people moved to all these places for education and business and these kind of things, but what they found is they were living next to a bunch of people who didn't share their religion, didn't share their beliefs, didn't share their values, and we were constantly in a state of war. Now everybody's going back to the places where they can be around people that they actually agree with, actually believe in, can have real communities. And I think that's actually a positive. One of the upsides of remote work is you can actually live around people and not have to worry about your job being right down the street. You can just live around people you actually care about. So we're seeing more intentional communities. We're seeing people moving together, moving to places where they actually agree. Florida, remember, was a purple state, trending blue for most my. Because when people came from New York and New Jersey, they came down here to retire, and they use their. Their pension. Now. The people come in here, they're fleeing Covid. They want to be with Ron DeSantis. They're Republican.
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What was the DeSantis win margin?
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I don't remember.
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It was my largest. That dude who was caught. What was he, like, doing meth or something?
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Yeah. Got caught doing meth with a gay prostitute. Yeah.
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And he was like. Didn't he have, like, foam at the mouth or. It's like, what was. What was that all about? He almost won, and then DeSantis narrowly wins, and immediately, you know, honestly, thank you to DeSantis for fixing this state and making it what it is. Not just him. The state legislature did a great job as well. It's a shame about his presidential run. Not very good, but Florida's fantastic.
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So in 2018, DeSantis win margin was 0.4% over Andrew Gillum. But in 2022, it was a nearly 20% win over Charlie because everybody came here.
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AOC came here to vacation because she didn't like her own state's COVID lockdown stuff.
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Well, and really importantly, DeSantis cleaned up the voter rolls. This is something that people did not do. This is something guys like Glenn Youngkin didn't do. When DeSantis got into power, he made sure to use that power to secure power in the United. In Florida. For the Republicans moving forward, you have to take control of those votes.
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Let's jump to this next story from the New Republic, our communist friends. It's civil war, baby. The way that they describe it Abigail Spanberger's first move as Virginia governor was a masterstroke. Even moderate Democrats can be boldly anti maga. Other centrist Democrats should follow her example. What did she do? They say. Even before taking office last Saturday, the new Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, a Democrat, demanded and received the resignations of several of her Republican predecessor Glenn Youngkin's appointees to the board that oversees University of Virginia. In a similar vein, the state's new attorney general, Democrat Jay Jones, forced out legal counsels at George Mason University and the Virginia Military Institute who were appointed by his Republican predecessor. Job change in state colleges aren't usually national news, but what Spanberger and Virginia Democrats are doing matters well beyond Old Dominion. Republicans like Trump and Youngkin keep appointing right wing partisans to traditionally apolitical roles like university board member and FBI director. These appointments are designed to turn key nonpartisan institutions into apparatuses for the Republican Party. Apparatus high well, here's the bill that I want to show you. This is from las.virginia.gov Bill details introduced January 14, 2026 hey, this is really fun. What does this bill say? Quote, all orders from the federal government or any of its officers, agencies or departments to the State Militia of Virginia, including the National Guard and the unorganized Militia that relate to the call, induction or drafting of Virginia state troops of any type or description into the federal service for active duty or otherwise, and withdrawing them from the control of the Governor of Virginia shall be first transmitted to and through the Governor of Virginia. The Governor and commander in chief of the State militia shall not approve, consent to, or concur in any such order that has not been transmitted in as herein required. Additionally, no armed militia from any other state, from another state, territory or district shall enter the Commonwealth for the purpose of active military duty without the permission of the Governor of Virginia unless such militia has been called into the federal services for active duty and is acting under the authority of the President of the United States pursuant to Title 10 of U.S. code Governor to be notified of receipt of order, no action taken until his instructions complied with certain communications prohibited. In other words, this may be a lot of bluster, senate bill number 337- but-I think it's pretty clear what this does. This is basically setting the framework for Trump. The federal government and the President cannot federalize National Guard. He's done it in other states. He's been challenged in the judiciary. The courts have said yes. The courts have said no. It's currently ongoing. They're attempting to preempt this by passing a state Law saying only the governor can approve of it after the President makes the request. And. And she can say no. So what happens when Donald Trump says, we're going to enforce the law in Virginia and then Virginia refuses or pulls one of these weird anti ICE bills which violate the Constitution. Then Donald Trump says, insurrection act and we're going to federalize National Guard to enforce domestic law. And then she says that's illegal in the state of Virginia pursuant to Senate bill or to. I think this is. What is this? I don't know what the bill title is.4411, 4.1 Code of Virginia or amending this. And then what happens after that?
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He'll have to call up the National Guard of another state.
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And this also says they can't be sent in.
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Well, that. Then that turns into, you know, an actual confrontation.
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Never quote laws to men with, well, guns, I guess, in this case. But yeah, it's amazing that the blue states have suddenly discovered that they love John C. Calhoun. All of a sudden they're making, you know, nullification arguments. It's absolutely insane. But this just shows you the Democrats don't have principles. They don't care. They care about victory. And this is why I'm so tired of hearing, you know, establishment conservatives talk about their principles and their abstract understandings and then complaining when stuff like this happens. You guys set yourselves up for this. You're weak, you're cowardly, you're stupid, you're childish. Politics has become existential. You have to treat it as such. And if you don't take power, if you don't use it, this kind of stuff's going to happen. The Democrats are not going to hesitate to, to shore up power and push back against you at every turn.
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Yeah, we literally had last. It was like a few weeks ago, the whole blue slip debate was going on because again, Trump's trying to get a judge approved in New Jersey and Chuck Grassley comes out and he's like, no, we're not touching the blue slip system, which basically just allows a senator from a state to object to a judge appointment, which back in the day made sense because again, that senator would have, like, information on, like, this judge because they're local now. It's literally just a partisan thing where it's just again, senators hijacking a judge, appointments, all this to be said. Chuck Grassley comes out and he's like, no, because during the Biden administration, we utilized the blue slip system and it's a part of our American principles and it would be a total violation of our principles to object to this system. Just utterly ridiculous. People are not serious. They do not know what time it is. And it's unbelievably frustrating. And all this happens is, I mean, kind of back to the great sort is this is just Virginia ultimately, among other things, attempting to shake out Republicans and ensure victory. This is like to the point we were talking about with Florida, where Florida, you know, DeSantis wins decisively. At the same time in 2021 in the state of New York, Lee Zeldin loses by about 300,000 votes to Kathy Hochul. Where is that margin of victory? Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, Jacksonville. That's where they are. So it's just utterly ridiculous that Republican cowardice is really leading again to this great sort. In many ways, it's leading to a shakedown of the entire country at large.
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The. The idea of the great sort, it sounds great. Until the Democrats get control of the federal government and they just install all the. All the laws that they did in Virginia, but do them federally.
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Oh, it's going to be. It's going to be bonkers. What Democrats do when they get in. They are going to get in. And this. This modicum of resistance Republicans have feigned, they are going to use as justification for just bulldozing the whole country. Yeah, they're going to say, well, Donald Trump once, you know, shuffled my. My garbage can outside my house. That's an affront to justice. So we're gonna put you all in prison. We're gonna ban guns, we're gonna open the borders, and it's just. That's the excuse they're gonna use.
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Democrats have made it clear that a peaceful exchange of power is no longer an option. I mean, they have blatantly said, we're putting Pete Hegseth in jail. We're putting Donald Trump in jail. We're putting everybody who's worked for the administration in jail. We're probably putting a bunch of Trump supporters in jail. You can no longer hand Democrats power.
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They're putting Ian in jail, too. That's what worries me the most.
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E
Ian's going to prison. Everyone else is gonna go to jail. Ian's going to prison.
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B
Six months. He gets a go to jail and.
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Help them install for the prisoners.
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I'll go.
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What kind of business are you planning to run, Ben?
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It's just a venture capital. Let's go making people rich when they get out.
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You know, I've made this point before on the show, and, like, people don't believe me. It's literally, if you are. If you have a Twitter account and you're expressing. You're expressing Support for these ICE operations. Go to archive.org even if your Twitter's tiny, put in your handle, put in your. Your URL or whatever, someone is logging your Twitter. People are logging your Twitter. So, yeah, even if it's not like, maybe necessarily you going to jail, you're going to face social repercussions if, heaven forbid, you ever get docs or something like that, from the top, from the, from these politicians, from these governors, from these senators, all the way down to the activist space, they are watching us and they are salivating at the opportunity to come after us.
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B
I'd love to do a bit like this where it's like, you know, three years in the future and we're on IRL and we're like, the Democrats have taken every branch of government. The court has been packed, and they're now announcing arrest warrants for prominent conservative personalities, independents and moderates. And I fear we're next on the door. Busts open, a bunch of dudes with guns come in, grab Ian and drag him out. And we're like, wait, what? And then one of them walks back and goes, you guys are good.
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E
Just terrifying.
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I'm a patsy. And then it turns out Ian was actually the. The. The. The. The real brains behind the show. The whole time. He writes my script, the prompter right in front of me. I'm just reading what Ian wrote.
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E
Right now, Ian's actually running mostly peaceful memes and. And a bunch of other dude.
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If you could see the things he writes. Trump speeches, like, about radical change on the globe. Like, the way I think is so far in the future. So that's why I sound like an idiot a lot, because it makes me, like, not a target.
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B
It's so far in the future, it sounds like schizophrenia. Yeah, it sounds crazy.
- [27:51]
D
He's ghost writing the history books.
- [27:52]
A
Like, if you read the white papers of, like, crypt. Like, if you read deep tech papers, you like, holy fuck. But what it makes me think is.
- [27:59]
E
Watch your f. Politics.
- [28:01]
B
Yeah, watch, watch the swearing.
- [28:02]
A
Politics is about as crumpled as a wet piece of toilet paper right now.
- [28:07]
B
Like, mushed into a paste.
- [28:08]
A
Yeah, just crusty. And this is why the culture war is so important, especially with this redistricting. If it really doesn't matter who's voting, it's just there's going to be blocks of people. You want sane Democrats, you want sane Republicans. So the culture war becomes super important to get people on a kind of a cultural cohesive level.
- [28:27]
E
But Ian, so Ian Oren was making this point on the show today. What do you do when you have a Democrat that says that basically runs as a moderate, right, and then gets into, into office and is as far left as you go? Because that's exactly what Abigail. Spangenberger. Spangenberger, right, Spanberger, Spanberger.
- [28:46]
C
I always call her Spamberger.
- [28:49]
E
That's exactly what she did. She ran as a moderate. She was alleged to be a center left Democrat, right, very normal Democrat, blah blah, blah, gets into, into the office and then starts ramming through all of the most far left stuff that any, any progressive would ever want. If you can't, if you can't ascertain what your politicians are going to do by what they say, then I mean essentially you're, you're, you're, you're, your vote is worthless.
- [29:18]
C
Never forget that FDR ran on a small government platform.
- [29:21]
E
Like did he really?
- [29:23]
C
Roosevelt ran on reducing the size of government, getting government out of things and then immediately turned around and basically said I'm taking total power and completely running a revolution through this country. This is as old as it gets, man. Like you can't trust politicians. Of course they're going to lie. The only people who are dumb enough to believe them are Republicans. The Democrats know you run as a moderate and then you become Mao as soon as you get into office. That's how they operate.
- [29:46]
B
I want to talk about the story since we have you here on McIntyre. This is a, this is an interesting chain of events that occurred on acts. It started with this video.
- [29:52]
E
Cart me with a gun of what.
- [29:54]
B
Looks like, it looks like Jeremy Hambley. To be completely honest. There's a guy in Minnesota with a glen. Is that just like an AR15AR with.
- [30:01]
E
A can on it with silence?
- [30:02]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you right? Suppressor, Suppressor, suppressor. And he basically says he's out here to protect his neighbor. This is my neighborhood. Well, Gunther Eagleman says lock him up. Now hold on there gosh darn a minute. We're two way people here. We love guns. People like to keep in bear arms and they can walk around doing the well with their guns. I certainly think so in response to this, you got a, you got a community note saying this is the second amendment which gives people the right to keep and bear arms. Gunther Eagleman has previously said we must never give up our second Amendment. In response to this, Hannah Cox says, there it goes. MAGA zombies have flipped on every other conservative position and now they don't even like the second amendment. Now my response to this Is this right here on the surface? Totally fine. I don't care. It's a dude, to be honest, seems a little out of shape. But he's got a weapon and he's got good trigger discipline. I accept it and he's allowed to do it. And by all means, please. The question is, what is the intent behind it? Is he fighting oppression and tyranny or is he supporting oppression and tyranny? And the issue is this is a lawful government, duly elected, enforcing its laws which have been in the books for decades. In which case this is not a. This is not, as our moral worldview who believe in the second Amendment, a justifiable instance of bearing arms to support lawful governance and the right of the people. In fact, it is rogue operators trying to supplant the will of the people as we have duly operated in our previous election. The Republicans didn't go out and shoot anybody. They didn't write and burn everything down. By all means, go ahead and scream, J6. I'm not for that either. The point is, this guy is not here to represent lawful governance. He is here to say, I don't care for your lawful governance. Which sends me to this. Before we get into everything, the point here and the question of whether or not this is actually about the second Amendment. I bring you a passage from Ulysses S. Grant, following the Civil War, for which I'm interested in Oren's opinion. He said in his memoirs, if the war had been a war of rebellion against tyranny, I should have been on the side of the rebellion. I. I would have been. I should have been on the side of the rebellion, but it was not. There was a right of revolution, but there is no right of rebellion against a lawful government. The right of revolution is a natural one and is not to be questioned. But rebellion against constitute authority is treason and must be treated as such. The Constitution gave the right to change the form of government in a lawful way. And no government is safe unless the right is reserved to the people. But rebellion against an existing government is an offense and must be punished. The Southern states had no more right to secede from the Union than a county has to to secede from a state. Now, while I don't completely agree, I do believe it's fair to say the south decided to engage in our functioning constitutional process. When they lost that electoral process, they then said, we are out. Now hold on. We all agreed. Blood and treasure were sacrificed. You were admitted. And then you didn't like the outcome. So you said, I'm taking My ball and going home. That's different from the American Revolution where we said, please let us be involved in governance and the Crown said no and decided for us, despite the fact we were largely autonomous. These are completely distinct. And what these people who are saying, I guess MAGA doesn't like second amendment anymore don't understand, is that there are distinct moral worldviews and nuances to when and how we determine you have a right to fight back against a tyrannical government. But rn, I'm curious, based on everything I just said, what your thoughts are.
- [33:21]
C
I mean, with the situation in the south, what you're looking about. Like you said, our founding fathers pointed out that the reason they needed to leave is that they wanted the rights of the Englishman. Like that was their problem. They wanted the rights that they felt they were entitled to as Englishmen. And that was not being upheld by the Parliament. A lot of people say it was a war against the King, but actually they appealed to the King regularly, hoping that he would save them from Parliament. And when he wouldn't, only then did they say, okay, now we have to appeal to heaven because we have no other place to appeal. We have the right of a revolution. I think this is a bad understanding from Grant. I mean, obviously they participate in the government. The south decided that they were not receiving the rights that they believe that they were due. And if the 10th amendment means anything, if their states actually have rights reserved to them, then the right to leave has to be part of it. If you don't have a right to leave, you don't have a right to anything. Now, ultimately, I don't think any government can actually enshrine the right of revolution. I think that's not how constitutions actually work. But spiritually, morally, I think you do have a. A fair argument for being able to leave at that time. Of course, people tie the the word of slavery and that's why now they just make it then.
- [34:24]
B
But on the issue of a leftist bearing arms in Minnesota for the purpose of. It's intimidation against ice.
- [34:32]
A
Yeah, right.
- [34:32]
C
Are they open carry allowed in Minnesota?
- [34:35]
B
I doubt it. It is.
- [34:36]
C
Oh, it is. So he was lawfully.
- [34:38]
B
Well, presumably he is. But my point is simply, first and foremost, I'm totally fine with what that guy is doing. That being said, there is a question about if his purpose is to intimidate and threaten duly appointed law enforcement that we voted on. Is this a question of rebellion or is it a question of treason and sedition and. Or sedition.
- [34:57]
C
I'm fine this with states rights as long as we all. The funny thing is, I know the Democrats. This is all going to disappear tomorrow. Right. They don't actually believe any of this. If they want to be consistent on this, I'm fine, but I know they're not going to be.
- [35:07]
E
You know, as far as this particular dude is, you can very easily make an argument that he's aiding and abetting criminal activity.
- [35:14]
B
Right.
- [35:14]
E
The point is he's out there intending to intimidate law enforcement when they're trying to wrap up illegal aliens and people that are breaking the law. Because not all these people that are quote, unquote protesting are peacefully protesting. They're actually out there, you know, they're inhibiting law enforcement. They're, they're causing. They're engaging in violent activities, they're intimidating other people. So, I mean, you can make a completely reasonable argument saying, look, he's out there specifically to aid and abet criminal activity, not to exercise the Second Amendment.
- [35:43]
A
I don't think it's a reasonable. That wouldn't be. I don't think I would stand a reason that he was aiding and abetting because unless he fly.
- [35:49]
E
No, no, he's out. The specific reason that he's out there is to make ICE aware that he's got a gun.
- [35:55]
B
Yeah.
- [35:56]
A
That's a citizen.
- [35:57]
E
The intent is to intimidate law enforcement. That's act. That's acting legally.
- [36:02]
A
If you're intimidated by me having a gun, that's your problem. It's not. I'm not doing it.
- [36:06]
E
You're not. I'm not law enforcement. Like I said, this is about law enforcement trying to do their job.
- [36:14]
B
I'm going to put it like this, and I'm looking for your response. Are we going to play the game of drat? They've used our principles against us once again. I guess they win and they get to take over. Or do we say the laws are intended for a duly faithful people, faithful to God or the government, however you want to view it, who agree with each other and say we work together, we understand what the rules are. If you are going to people who want to destroy you and saying, I will bestow upon you all the rights that I hold as well, knowing you won't return in kind and are actively trying to kill me, shut my government down and change everything that I believe in, we lose. We lose overnight. If that's the case. So my point is, again, this video, on the surface, no problems. It's a guy standing around with a rifle. I really don't care and I'm not going to complain about it. The greater, the bigger picture. Individuals showing up with weapons, intending to intimidate ICE because they have a moral worldview distinct from ours and, and the founding fathers and our Constitution, what this country is supposed to be. And they seek to destroy our way of life. If we say to them, do as you must, do as you please, we know for a fact tomorrow they're going to say, on your knees to the gulag. Do we let them do it?
- [37:31]
C
There's an old saying, for my friends, everything, and for my enemies, the law. And so, you know, there's one of the scenarios where, yes, there's a certain set of laws in place, but the way that they get enforced and actually carried out really determines everything. And so, yeah, we need to do things under the color of law. I think we should maintain the rule of law. But to the extent we can use law to our advantage, we should do that in every single sense. We should maximize that, every opportunity. So does this one guy get to carry his gun out there? Maybe. But I want to see Don Lemon rotting in jail for 10 years. I want to see every guy who walked into that church spending 10 years in jail. I want the maximum penalty. I want the law, you know, prosecuting every single person who breaks it. So, yeah, we can allow this guy to hold his gun, but the minute he does anything, I want him in jail for the rest of his life. And I want to make sure he and his friends all go to jail if they're involved in criminal conspiracy to do things like inhibit rights. So I think we should use the law effectively in every situation.
- [38:27]
D
Well, that's why they're calling him Kyle Reddit House, because he, like, he knows exactly what he's ready. Yeah, he's literally like trying to again, weaponize. This is what's, what's so frustrating about the fact that conservatives, there's so many principles conservatives, because he's, he's very aware of what he's doing here. This is a strategy again, to like bait conservatives into coming out and defending him. Like, it's, it's, it really is just the most pernicious Reddit strategy.
- [38:48]
B
But can we call him like something like the Soiter ring or you know, something like, you know, something like that.
- [38:54]
C
You know, if he puts that, if he puts that brace on his shoulder, he's broken the law, right? Yeah, that's still technically. Yeah. So all we need to do is get a right.
- [39:04]
B
That's not a short barreled rifle though. It is because that's not that Is an AR pistol.
- [39:08]
E
That's a pistol.
- [39:09]
B
A pistol.
- [39:09]
C
Because he has the brace instead of the gun.
- [39:11]
B
No, no, no, no, no. The length of it determines whether it's a pistol.
- [39:15]
C
Sure, sure.
- [39:15]
B
Not the brace. If it is not, the brace does.
- [39:18]
C
Because the brace is the brace. The way the law is written, the brace is what you put on a pistol.
- [39:24]
B
I understand.
- [39:24]
C
Right.
- [39:25]
B
I'm saying that if you took an actual long gun that doesn't qualify as an SBR and put a brace on the back of it, sure, it's. It's not a pistol.
- [39:34]
C
But the brace is a working around of putting a stock.
- [39:37]
B
So I'm asking specifically. That's actually shorter.
- [39:41]
C
My guess would be without the cam, that's under 15 inches.
- [39:44]
E
Yeah, that's like a ten and a half. Probably. Probably eleven and a half with a six inch can.
- [39:48]
B
So. Right. The intention of those is literally you're supposed to hold it like a pistol.
- [39:51]
C
In theory, that's supposed to go on your arm.
- [39:53]
B
The braces. Because some people have disabilities, right. So they need a way to hold it. But you can brace it against your shoulder.
- [39:58]
C
And the minute he puts on his shoulder, he is breaking the law.
- [40:00]
E
Technically, yes.
- [40:02]
D
Yeah.
- [40:03]
E
If you shoulder it.
- [40:04]
B
I remember when was it during Biden they banned braces. The ATF decided braces were illegal. And then I had to go through all of my guns, for which I have like just so many, and then detach all of the braces and separate them. Otherwise I was at risk of being a felon despite the fact no law had been passed. So y' all want to play these games, I don't care. I'm not going to sit here and say you can do whatever you want because you have rights. And then you're going to point your gun at me and put me in a gulag. Not only have there's the law, right.
- [40:33]
E
Not only had there been no law passed, the ATF had multiple times said that a brace does not make a pistol into a short barrel rifle. They had multiple decisions or I don't know what they call it, it's not decisions, but they released multiple guidelines and letters to people saying, look, no, I. I personally waited about seven or eight years before I bought a brace because I was like, they're going to end. When they first came out, when the SIG brace came out, I was like, they're going to throw people in jail for that.
- [41:00]
B
I got an idea. Have you got. What are those things? Tensegrity. Tensegrity. Have you heard of these things? Have you never seen these Things. Let me see if I can pull this up. How do you. What is it?
- [41:08]
C
Is it a South park episode?
- [41:11]
B
No, no, no, no, no. Come on. Let me see if I can find a 10. Tensegrity. Yeah, tensegrity. Yeah, yeah. I want to find a good one. Here we go. Here we go. I got an idea. Hi, I'm Xerxes from the Ontario Science Center.
- [41:23]
A
Banging.
- [41:24]
B
Hi, Xerxes. Have you ever seen one of. We don't. We don't need to hear what you have to say, so. Look at this thing, right? That's cool. So it looks like it makes no sense. How is it floating like that? Well, it's actually quite simple. This is hanging. So it's being suspended and it can't topple over because this is being held down. Make a brace, like a tensegrity. And then you're like. Well, there's actually no connecting parts holding it together, so therefore. I'm kidding. Don't do that. It's a joke.
- [41:53]
E
No, but the. Like, that would be funny, though, just like, just like. Just like orange. Ian's like, maybe use the law in every single way you can. We should use the law. But every single time that anyone on the left breaks the law, even the slightest bit, you throw the book at them.
- [42:08]
A
I don't think prosecutorial discretion is super important. And evil laws can be, but can be used too.
- [42:13]
B
It's not.
- [42:14]
E
I mean, I. I feel like you're not even listening to the. To what the conversation is like, every.
- [42:18]
A
Law at your discretion to prosecute your enemy.
- [42:20]
E
Yeah, but I'm talking.
- [42:21]
A
No, sometimes you.
- [42:22]
B
You.
- [42:22]
A
You use discretion with.
- [42:23]
E
With law and you prosecute. Not when. Not when you're in a literal fight.
- [42:28]
B
You know, be great.
- [42:28]
C
You're not.
- [42:29]
B
You know. You know, it'd be really great.
- [42:31]
C
You are.
- [42:31]
B
Ian, it would be really great if you read about Catalonia.
- [42:34]
A
What about it?
- [42:35]
B
Have you read a bit? Yeah, I mean, read about the efforts of the anarchist peoples and their. They. They think the way you do. And do you know what happened to them? What's the.
- [42:46]
A
What's the reference here? This is the Spanish Catalonia revolution or something.
- [42:51]
B
Yeah, they're. They're hippie, dippy, do unto others people. And they were crushed every single time. And it still happens to this day where they get crushed by the government because people who play the game of slow down there, let's have a conversation get crushed every time. Imagine. Imagine having a city and like, someone comes to you and goes, genghis Khan is coming to our city. What do we do? And you're like, hold on, we gotta think about this clearly and not go overboard. And you go, okay, well, he's got advanced spies coming in and stealing our weapons. And you go, well, can we prove it? They're like, the guy's running away right now. Well, we don't know what he's running for. We gotta make sure we treat these people fairly and equally. And then you. Just an hour later, he runs in and massacres you.
- [43:33]
A
You know, the civilian mind is different than the military mind. I'm not in a military mindset right now. I'm in a civilian mindset.
- [43:38]
B
Okay. And I have a question. A guy breaks into your house. He breaks into your house and he's screaming, oh, I'm here to kill Ian Crossland. Are you going to be like, well, you know, he's allowed to have guns. I better not use the law against them.
- [43:50]
A
No, I would use the law my own.
- [43:52]
B
Why? Why in that circumstance, but not in the macro? Why in the micro, not in the macro?
- [43:56]
A
This guy, bro, what do you mean exactly?
- [43:58]
B
It's a weird question.
- [43:59]
A
What do you mean?
- [43:59]
B
No, so my point is that when it affects you personally, you have no problem saying, I'll use the law.
- [44:05]
A
If someone breaks into someone's house in a right to. In a state where you can shoot them, then that's. You have to defend your. Your territory.
- [44:11]
B
You have to defend.
- [44:12]
A
You have a duty to.
- [44:13]
B
What if. What if foreigners who want to murder your whole people break into your country with weapons, threatening to kill you? Do you have to defend them?
- [44:22]
A
You have a duty as the military to defend the country? Yes.
- [44:25]
B
Okay, so that's happening right now, but that's.
- [44:27]
A
We're talking about a dude standing outside.
- [44:30]
C
Who's he defending?
- [44:30]
A
Practicing as.
- [44:31]
C
Who's he defending?
- [44:32]
B
What's the purpose of his gun?
- [44:33]
C
No, he's not defending. You don't have to.
- [44:35]
A
You don't have to claim a defendant to issue your Second amendment right.
- [44:37]
B
This is the point.
- [44:38]
C
What is he doing? He's defending the immigrant community. That's what he's.
- [44:42]
A
I mean, he's just standing. I don't know what he was doing. I saw a picture of him standing there with a rifle pointed out.
- [44:46]
B
Why is that guy outside?
- [44:48]
A
To show ICE that he's. That there's an armed people waiting.
- [44:52]
B
And what is ICE doing?
- [44:54]
A
Throwing people out of the country, arresting.
- [44:55]
B
People who should not be here. Criminals, rapists, illegal immigrants in general. And that guy's attempting to intimidate them. Well, so now let's try again. Someone breaks into your house and Screams.
- [45:05]
A
Me walking around with my rifle out is not intimidating.
- [45:08]
B
You just said that was his intention.
- [45:10]
A
I don't know. His intention was to show ICE that there's a militia. That's not an intimidation. I should know that there's a militia.
- [45:15]
B
I think that's intimidating. Let's try this in. A guy breaks into your house screaming, I'm here to kill Ian Crossland. And then another guy shows up and says, look, I'm not here to kill Ian. I just have a gun pointed at him. Should you use the law against him, too? You.
- [45:28]
A
You defend. If someone's pointing a gun at you, you have a right to defend yourself.
- [45:32]
B
They're essentially, my point is, when, like, we've had conversations like this so often where. When. When the issue comes to you personally, you have no problem being like, well, of course that's why you would do it. And when the issue comes to the betterment of the country and the laws and our Constitution, you're just like, now the bad guys do whatever they want.
- [45:48]
A
I'm sitting here listening to you guys. I just hear Democrats having this exact same conversation about people like you is what I.
- [45:55]
B
And.
- [45:55]
A
And so don't become the enemy you're trying to destroy. Don't become the demon.
- [45:58]
B
Let them.
- [45:59]
E
Let them destroy you.
- [45:59]
A
No. Yeah. Why would you ever let someone destroy.
- [46:02]
C
It's literally what you're talking about.
- [46:03]
A
You're talking about earlier, you just said.
- [46:06]
E
That we weren't in an existential conflict.
- [46:08]
A
You're not out of those words.
- [46:10]
B
You said.
- [46:10]
E
You said, Phil, you're sitting here in a podcast.
- [46:13]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [46:15]
A
My point.
- [46:15]
C
That's what existential means.
- [46:17]
B
And is my life under threat right now?
- [46:20]
A
I can't. Doesn't look like it.
- [46:21]
B
You would be incorrect. Why am I in this building?
- [46:23]
A
Why are constantly under threat? It's the world, you know, Doesn't Russia have nukes pointed at our country?
- [46:28]
B
Why are we in Florida.
- [46:31]
A
Setting up. I know. Setting up a new shot. You know, looking for. Why?
- [46:35]
B
Why are we trying to look for something new?
- [46:36]
A
Security. Because we're running an entertainment company. We need security.
- [46:39]
D
You wanted to be closer to what.
- [46:40]
B
Happened that made us do that, Ian.
- [46:42]
A
You people, obsessive. People come and say, hey, we want thing happened.
- [46:47]
B
Say it.
- [46:49]
A
The people shot a gun outside the studio.
- [46:51]
B
People shot three rounds at our studio. They're trying to kill us, but they're.
- [46:58]
A
Stripping people of their rights.
- [46:59]
B
Their right to what?
- [47:00]
A
To carry a weapon outside.
- [47:02]
B
That said, that was fine. I said, the intention is to intimidate our duly appointed law enforcement. We say, no we don't tolerate people who are trying to destroy us.
- [47:13]
A
Yeah, but we don't know that guy's intention.
- [47:15]
E
I said, if he breaks the law, throw the book at him. And then you're like, no judge. Judges have deference, blah, blah, blah. I didn't say just throw him in jail for no reason. I said, if he breaks the law, throw the book at.
- [47:26]
A
Right. And. And so is the same argument they use on January 6th.
- [47:29]
E
So now you're 20.
- [47:32]
C
Well, we have to give up because the other side is.
- [47:34]
A
I would never say you are.
- [47:35]
B
Literally Just my response to your. But they think the same thing is, duh, the hatfields in the McCoys, you think one side was justified, the other wasn't. They're just feuding.
- [47:46]
A
That's.
- [47:46]
B
That's reality. Who's right? In any grand conflict, let's talk about like Korea versus Japan. Who is morally justified?
- [47:55]
A
I don't know.
- [47:56]
B
Exactly. There's a dispute between people. Sometimes it's aggressors, sometimes it's ideological, sometimes it's resource driven. But all that matters is right now in this country, there are two political moral philosophies. Both say the other is the bad guy. And you know what? We are correct. And they say the exact same thing. But I know that we're correct because we fact checked these things and they don't. Now, some of them may, but they lie all the time. They lie about everything. I'll give them some credit on the, on the one screen two movies with Renee Goode. But you take a look at J6, you take a look at Don Lemon and what's going on with don Lemon On January 6th, you had rioters. I have no problem telling the world the rioters should go to prison. You beat a cop, you go to jail. And they did. I think three years was fair. I think it's actually a little bit long. So a commutation and a pardon for their 20 year sentences does make sense. Do the liberals say anything like that? No. They say the innocent people who showed up after the riot walking onto public land, they had no idea was closed public, the doors were open, should go to prison because they're evil insurrectionists. They say that Owen Schroyer, who never went in the building should go to prison. They said that Brandon Strzok, who never went in the building, should go to prison because. Because they don't care. They don't fact check and they want to destroy us.
- [49:13]
A
Oren, you just said people that went into that church should all go to prison for 10 years.
- [49:19]
C
Yeah, when one side decides. So are you familiar with game theory?
- [49:24]
A
Yeah. Okay, tell me more about it.
- [49:25]
C
So, prisoner's dilemma, right? You have to have two people cooperating or as soon as someone defects, you have to defect in order to keep the equilibrium. The only way you ever keep equilibrium inside a system is. Is to have one. Is to have a. To make sure that you have a reciprocal strategy. If you have one size, say, okay, we're sending people for 10 to people to prison for 30 years who weren't even in J6 who weren't even in the area. And then when they do something similar and you don't push back, you don't give them a reciprocal pushback, they will just continue that strategy of defecting infinitely because there's no incentive for them to stop. What you're suggesting is they get to defect infinitely and we always have to cooperate. How does that game end?
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A
Well, I don't think that either is justified.
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B
I'm talking about how does the game end?
- [50:12]
C
Strategy.
- [50:12]
A
The game ends with de Escalation. No, that way isn't the right answer.
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B
Let's try again. Here's the question. If they are putting J6ers in prison for 20 years, even people who didn't go in the building, and we don't put them in prison when they violate the Klan act or the Face act, what is the next. What's the logical conclusion to that kind of system?
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A
There would be multiple possible conclusions to that. One is the other side says, okay, then we're done, we're not going to do this anymore. Another side.
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B
You're being intentionally.
- [50:43]
A
They're weak now let's stomp them into paste. Agreed.
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B
And that's what they've been doing for the past 10 years. Why would they stop now? Honest question, why would they stop now? They haven't stopped, they've escalated.
- [50:53]
A
Who? Firstly, silly.
- [50:55]
B
Who's they? Who? Who? Who?
- [50:56]
A
On genuine question. Genuine question.
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B
Left moral worldview, disparate factions aligned with a multicultural democratic society, whereas we are the constitutional Republican faction.
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A
Most people don't want civil war. They don't want.
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B
What does that do with. We're talking about.
- [51:10]
A
You said why would they stop now? They don't want conflict. They don't want the people who are.
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B
Roving around in Minneapolis beating pedestrians, pulling cars over. They're pulling cars over. They're stalking white people because they look like they might be ice and harassing them. There's videos of them ripping a guy, telling a guy screaming take it off cuz he wore an American flag hoodie and then you have the storming of a church in violation of the law. They're not stopping. They've been escalating. And this is. You still have the George Floyd Square in Minneapolis years later. They caused billions of dollars in damage. They firebombed the White House grounds, set fire to St. John's Church, and they mocked Trump when he tried. When he did disperse the crowd, they called him Bunker Boy because he was brought into an emergency bunker. Right now, what we have been witnessing is the right has done nothing but beg the system. We voted in November because we are moral and just. People who say we don't riot, we don't burn things down, we don't shoot people, we vote. And then we did. And Trump's been somewhat ineffective domestically in this regard. If we continue to allow Democrats to beat, murder and terrorize and we do nothing, there is only one logical conclusion at this point. We will be crushed into paste.
- [52:25]
A
So if the left is beating, murdering and terrorizing, are you suggesting the right should also do that?
- [52:30]
B
The right should use the law against these people and put them in prison. Like I said, we do, we vote. We beg the system to deal with it. We don't go out. We don't write, we don't shoot people. You suggested these people should not go to prison for storming the church.
- [52:44]
A
I didn't say that. I just said 10 years. I say now 10 years.
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B
Well, that's the penalty, isn't it? That's the maximum.
- [52:49]
C
I'm trying to remember the exact part.
- [52:51]
B
Of the, of the conspiracy against rights.
- [52:54]
C
Yeah, well, that's what they're charging. They're saying they're charging under the KKK act because they said the Face act is a little bit difficult because of the ingress and egress. Did you actually block. So it's easier to just go after conspiracy of rights, though I think they'll also catch face violations.
- [53:10]
B
Yeah, I don't, I don't think 10 years is good, but I do think prison in general, and that means at least a year. It is due to do the federal statute. 10 years. Yeah, it was 10 years. Yeah. The maximum penalty for the client act is 10 years. With aggravating factors. It can be life, life in prison. And so now you have the state laws where they've enacted these, these civil rights protections, you know, re. Enshrined them, which religion is one of them. I say live by the sword. We treat others as though, as how they want to be treated. So if Democrats say we are going to protect against discrimination we say, well you stormed into a church, religion is a protected class and lock them up. Those are their rules.
- [53:51]
A
I personally think that that's reasonable. I was putting myself in the heads of some of those churchgoers.
- [53:55]
B
Probably thought they were about the church. The thing that matters ultimately in the end is that I think it is obvious to everybody watching the show that Democrats think they're right and they're justified. The difference is the moral framework they use, which is the point of bringing this up. Do we believe in the second Amendment? Is it universal? It's certainly not universal. The second amendment applies universal to good Americans who believe in the Constitution against those who would subvert it like these people are. So we can frame it like this. The American people are all holding hands, singing songs under a rainbow. When the British return, my God, It's Revolutionary War 2.0. A bunch of British people land with U boats crashing into the shores of California for some reason, the Pacific, there was a flanked attack and they say we're taking this land back for the crown. And they pull out guns. Are we gonna be like. Well, they have a right to keep and bear arms. Are we gonna be like enemy invaders, Put them down.
- [54:45]
D
That's completely unrealistic. They'd be like, saad, we are here.
- [54:50]
A
Of course we don't give our enemy, you know, foreign invasion.
- [54:54]
B
Zoran Mamdani's campaign said that he was intentionally going to protect non citizens from federal law enforcement that were duly appointed by the duly elected American government. That is insurrection. He announced it. He went on the View and said he wants to abolish ice. This is an individual not from this country, later did gain citizenship, threatening the people who democratically elected a Congress, a president who then appointed and the Senate confirmed a supreme court. And these people are saying, your laws be damned, we'll do what we want. And one of these guys is walking around with a gun and we go drat. He's used our own rules against us. Well, I say that Brace could be a, could be a federal offense. I'm not gonna give you any, I'm not gonna give you any leeway here. No benefit of the doubt, you live. Look, now I'm not gonna rag on the leftists who do believe in owning guns, but for the liberals who have tried to ban them like they're doing right now in Virginia, making it harder to buy guns. Why would I give these people an inch? I'm gonna be like, nah, you live the way you want and you support the people that want to take guns away. So I say you get what you want.
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C
When Eisenhower was sending the 101st down to the south to march people into schools by bayonet to break, you know, segregation, there went a bunch. Weren't a bunch of southerners sitting there with their guns, pointing them, you know, laying them on their arm, staring at the 101st Airborne. That's not how it went down. And if they had, they would have learned a lesson real quick. It's not like there's some kind of lack of precedent here.
- [56:21]
B
Let's. Let's jump to the story where things are getting a little spicy. We've got this from Newsweek. Speedway faces boycott calls after ICE agents kicked out of gas station. Social media users are alleging that Border Patrol commander Greg Bevino and other federal agents were denied service at a speedway in Minnesota. Self described journalist. Self described. Come on. Newsweek Cam Higby wrote an accident Wednesday. Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino denied service. I do believe we actually have the video here. And I think this is the Speedway video. Yeah, it looks like it's. And they actually threw food at him. So I'm not sure anybody should get charged for throwing Doritos at a guy. But I do think that Speedway should issue a statement saying we do not want to have anything to do with this.
- [57:15]
D
Yeah, that's it. That Hampton Inn learned their lesson.
- [57:19]
B
Also, you see the sign getting pulled down?
- [57:21]
D
Literally. Yeah, literally. Like it was the changing of the guard. It was like when the British left Hong Kong and it was really driving. Yeah, this is the left. They, they don't want Bavino to get his hands on some like any Zen because, you know, like he would lock in, be like 20 million deported by like probably the end of the year.
- [57:35]
C
Just immediately get chads out. Yeah, literally.
- [57:37]
D
So like the left. This is a very tactical play. I would say this is probably the most genius play yet. Is preventing Bavino from getting his, you know, getting his paws and like a white monster. It'd be so over for every illegal. Like they.
- [57:48]
B
That's the Gen Z perspective on why they stopped him.
- [57:50]
D
Yeah, that's exactly what's going on. That's the game. I know Oron's gonna be like, oh, like the south and 18. That's not what's going on. That's absolutely what it is. They're trying to get his mitts off the secret sauce.
- [58:01]
E
You know.
- [58:01]
B
You know what it was? It's because he want. You ever get those tornadoes at Speedway? You know those are.
- [58:07]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [58:07]
B
And they got that. They got the spicy cheese one. Oh God, they Knew that once he took one bite, it was gonna be the John Hand me meme where he's just like, turn the lights off. Where that song is. They can't. They can't.
- [58:18]
D
Like, in space, Jamie bites into that roller dog and then like, when they get their. The Michael's secret sauce and they just, like, load up. That's what would happen in Border.
- [58:25]
B
I got. Imagine probably going to the bathroom.
- [58:27]
C
I mean, we got Wawa in Florida now, so we don't have to live like that anymore. You know, like, we got all the best stuff.
- [58:32]
D
We should be aristocratic. And there's been some talks on the Right. Maybe like, more like aristocratic things. Maybe we should go for like. Yeah. 7:11.
- [58:38]
B
Should we boycott Speedway? Should we boycott Wawa National? Dude, Wawa is so good.
- [58:44]
E
I go all the time anyway, so.
- [58:45]
C
It'S certainly good for. For being gas station food.
- [58:48]
B
Yeah. Right. Should we boycott Speedway? Why not?
- [58:52]
D
What was.
- [58:53]
B
Speedway's gotta boycott something.
- [58:54]
D
What was Speedway's recourse? Were they, like, abetting this or was this just people showed up at a speedway and stopped them?
- [58:59]
B
No. Apparently the Speedway said, you guys have to leave.
- [59:02]
C
And then.
- [59:03]
D
Well, that's the case. Yeah. I mean, it's easy. I don't go there anyway. So boycott. I've been boycotting for years.
- [59:08]
C
I knew this would happen. I was in a car.
- [59:10]
B
I'm Gen Z. Yeah.
- [59:11]
C
Literally, hyperstition. I was already boycotting.
- [59:13]
D
I didn't sense it.
- [59:14]
C
I've been doing this for years.
- [59:15]
D
It's called killer.
- [59:16]
C
I knew they weren't patriots. I could feel it.
- [59:17]
B
Yeah.
- [59:17]
D
I could just sense it. It's like I have, like, a Patriot text and I could just smell it when I passed the speedway. I was like, I knew it.
- [59:22]
C
Yeah. Walked in one time. There were no white monsters in the. In the case. I knew it was up.
- [59:25]
B
Yeah.
- [59:25]
D
Sir, we only have three milligrams. Scumbags. You're boycotted.
- [59:28]
A
I'm looking up who owns Speedway. I want to see whose stock's taking.
- [59:31]
B
A hit right now.
- [59:32]
D
Probably this one owned by Seven Eleven.
- [59:33]
B
Let me get. Really? They're Japanese.
- [59:37]
D
They want to go again. They want to go again. We got a few more nukes sitting around.
- [59:41]
B
A few more? That's an understatement. Yeah.
- [59:43]
A
It was acquired in 21 for 21 billion by 7 11.
- [59:47]
B
21 billion dollars.
- [59:49]
D
3 tanks of gas in California.
- [59:53]
B
And the Japanese bought out 711 a while ago. Japanese 7 11s are something to behold, and they make American 7 11s look like outhouses.
- [60:00]
D
That's what that's like, really radicalized me. It was going to like a 711 in Japan and seeing like, oh, this is what like society is supposed to look like.
- [60:07]
B
Yeah. Like someone's floating around like they're immortal.
- [60:09]
D
They bound you and like.
- [60:11]
B
Yeah, they have Replicators. You can just be like, we need to like Earl Grey hot.
- [60:14]
C
And this means we have to like tariff Japan until they bring us their 711 staff. Like, sorry, you have to turn it all over.
- [60:20]
B
Culture matters.
- [60:21]
E
We will never have Japanese 7 11s in America.
- [60:24]
B
The thing about Japan is that it's a high trust society.
- [60:28]
C
It's an ethnic state.
- [60:30]
B
It's. Right. But they started bringing in, you know, Indians and African migrants for some reason. Why did they do that?
- [60:37]
C
No, because they're now having babies.
- [60:39]
B
Right, right. Yeah.
- [60:41]
A
Seven Eleven is owned by Seven and I Holdings. It is a Japanese company.
- [60:45]
B
It's Japanese.
- [60:46]
D
You know how mad I was when I got to Tokyo? I saw like Indian people.
- [60:51]
B
I was like, no, no, it's not like the cartoons.
- [60:54]
C
It's like when you show up to Paris now and it's all just, you know, in Arabic or something.
- [60:59]
A
My immersion.
- [61:00]
D
My immersion.
- [61:01]
B
No, you don't. I think the, the funniest thing about Japan when I got there was that they don't have like Brad Pitt, you know, like Robert Downey Jr. They have Goku and Lupin the third and like Naruto and like I see a big billboard cut out of Goku is like at this point a 40 year old cartoon character. And I'm like, I guess it's kind of like Mickey Mouse. But you know, what I respect about the Japanese people is that the cartoons we've propped up for generations are retarded. And the cartoons they pop up are the most brutal. Like they beat the sh out of each other and they're just fighting all the time.
- [61:32]
D
You know, I like that they are obsessed with Snoopy. When I was over there. What?
- [61:35]
B
Really?
- [61:35]
D
Oh, they're like glazing them big time. I was like, okay. He is, to be fair, he is a war hero. So, you know, there's something.
- [61:41]
B
World War I. Flying World War I, that's right. Yeah. He fought the Red Baron.
- [61:44]
D
Yeah, very impressive.
- [61:45]
C
Many sorties over, you know, Charlie Bound.
- [61:49]
D
Okay, yeah. How about Snoopy?
- [61:50]
C
Yeah, exactly.
- [61:51]
D
His KDR was crazy. He was like kill streaks, like UAV and that sort of thing.
- [61:55]
C
I need Sam Hyde as Snoopy as, you know, World one flight really go deep.
- [61:59]
B
Yeah, I guess, like story again.
- [62:01]
D
Speedway.
- [62:02]
B
The bigger picture here is that there are roving bands of leftists apparently people were saying that this mob was just following him around, screaming for hours.
- [62:11]
A
Okay, so. So probably he went in there maybe even to get away from these people. And then people followed him in, and Seven was like, oh, my God, everybody out. Everybody out. Maybe that happened.
- [62:20]
B
I don't know. Well, still kick out the agitators, not the victim.
- [62:24]
E
Yeah, put the agitators in jail.
- [62:27]
C
Yeah.
- [62:28]
A
We don't want to take sides. And you're like, bro, you have a building in the United States. You've already taken a side. Like, defend the law.
- [62:34]
B
It'd be funny. Like, Japan is just like, we don't have anything to do with this. We're out. They sell the company Japan, Pearl Harbors, the speedway.
- [62:44]
C
I mean, I do appreciate that we occupied Japan for so long that they took on both our sports and, like, our Western. Like, it's Japan. Like, they have people who are obsessed, like, Like Weebs in the United States, but with, like, American western culture. Like, they have revolvers and they put on, like, shooting copy.
- [63:00]
B
You know, they have. I think it's like, what is it? Ketchup fried rice. What is it called in Thailand?
- [63:04]
D
Really?
- [63:05]
B
Yeah.
- [63:06]
A
Did you guys ever fall, like, Odo Nobunaga, the Japanese?
- [63:09]
B
Yeah, Ketchup fried rice real quick. So what happened was, when the US Troops were stationed there, I think it was World War II, they. The troops were like, we want hot dogs. And they didn't have buns because they had no bread. So they made a bed of rice and put a hot dog on it and ketchup. And so that's how they would eat their hot dogs.
- [63:27]
C
We honey boo booed the system there.
- [63:29]
B
And then now I went to Thailand, and they were like, you should try ketchup fried rice. And they were like, it's rice, ketchup, hot dogs, and raisins. And I was like, that's the worst thing I've ever heard. Yeah.
- [63:38]
A
Yeah.
- [63:39]
B
I love it.
- [63:39]
E
They had me until raisins.
- [63:41]
B
Oh, apparently it's Japan similarly, as well.
- [63:44]
D
Well, that's like, a lot of East Asia. They're like these weird holdovers from World War II where the people are just, like, obsessed. Like, they have the John from Cult and like, all these Pacific islands where they. The. The. The. The GIs would drop, like, care packages, these random.
- [63:54]
B
Oh, yeah, the cargo cults.
- [63:55]
D
Yeah, the cargo cults. Yeah. So it's.
- [63:57]
A
Those are wild. They thought it was God, like, so.
- [63:59]
B
They built plain effigies.
- [64:01]
C
Yeah, yeah. To summon it again.
- [64:02]
B
Yeah.
- [64:03]
D
How fun would that be to be.
- [64:04]
B
In one of those oh man, that's.
- [64:06]
D
How white guys get hyped up when.
- [64:08]
A
They'Re like, he was bringing the cargo cult.
- [64:11]
D
You could just bring the most like, like random white dude and just like be a king.
- [64:14]
C
Now what if I told you your cargo cult was the constitution?
- [64:17]
B
Oh snap.
- [64:18]
D
Our cargo cult is Amazon.
- [64:20]
B
What?
- [64:20]
A
That was the, that was the bait and switch. That was the mot.
- [64:23]
C
No more that you can't. You're trying to go through the motions to summon again, but you don't know how it works.
- [64:28]
B
So true.
- [64:29]
A
So we're going to digital age now. The Internet obliterated liberalism basically with ideal ideologies and then mass migrations with Facebook groups and all this crap. I don't know what the future government's going to look like. I don't want totalitarian communistic technocracy, which like World Economic Forum and China where they own the corporate. But I don't want corporatocracy, where the corporations are making their own governments. What is your best idea of how it could be better?
- [64:55]
C
Well, you're, you're getting what has been called the China convergence because that's actually. It turns out that corporate fascism is the only way to operate government at large scale. So all of your countries, no matter what they're going to call themselves, are basically slowly merging on this one institution, which is going to be corporate fascism. So I wrote a book on it, Total State, if anybody wants more.
- [65:17]
B
So the goal is to be in charge of one of these corporations to be king.
- [65:21]
C
Well, I mean, when I say corporate fascism, I mean like the state operating like a corporation. We're all moving to the China model. Like.
- [65:27]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [65:28]
C
Technically they're communists, but in actuality it's just, just. It's actually just fascism.
- [65:32]
B
Right.
- [65:32]
C
And that's the only way you can actually manage information. You can handle immigration at scale. You can still have a market economy, but continue to have control over information.
- [65:41]
B
But you need to have elections so people think they have an option and then they never win.
- [65:46]
C
Absolutely.
- [65:47]
B
And it's just like. But it was a vote, right?
- [65:50]
D
Yeah.
- [65:51]
C
We have popular sovereignty as our legitimating thing, so we're going to go through the motions of that kind of stuff. But we're all moving towards that same government system because it's the only thing that works at scale.
- [65:59]
D
I don't like that.
- [66:00]
C
I wish we would scale down governments, but as long as we're moving towards larger scale governments, this is the only.
- [66:04]
A
Way we're going to.
- [66:05]
B
And the inverse is true about communism. It works beautifully among 10 people.
- [66:10]
C
Right.
- [66:11]
B
I did that pause for suspense, as I often do. Yeah. Ten people living on a farm.
- [66:15]
C
It's.
- [66:16]
B
It's really easy to have a commune you like. The joke I always make is, the one guy walks in and he goes, hey, everybody, my watermelons are ready. I grew watermelons. You want to have some? Yeah, okay. And they share watermelon.
- [66:26]
A
It's like, okay, your payment is the vaso precedent that you release when you help people.
- [66:30]
B
Yes.
- [66:30]
A
And those vasopressin, it's kind of like oxytocin.
- [66:33]
B
I think the reality is when you grow watermelon in your backyard, you grow more than you need. So you go inside and say, hey, who wants to have some watermelon? And then someone else is like, ah, it's messy in here. I'm gonna clean up. It's real easy. Or the other argument is that a family is communist. Right. The dad's effectively the dictator and, you know, he provides and whatever, and everyone gets what they need, regardless of the chores. You might get an allowance. At small scale, communism is fantastic. At large scale, it's psychotic.
- [66:57]
A
So I agree. Corporate fascism seems like the model, the horrific. Would it be like, all of our constitution is just out the window? Like, no more free speech. If you say the words that our corporation doesn't like, you're banned forever. You can't have a bank account. We'll starve you out. Do you see that as part of this?
- [67:13]
C
How is that not what you're under? Yeah.
- [67:17]
B
Let me put it like this. Here's my vision of an AI Future. Future. So just a moment ago, you were describing corporate fascism as the structure of governance that works at scale. Nothing else seems to do it. My view of what is currently happening with AI is that human beings are turning from sovereign entities into cells in a multicellular organism as one to describe it. That is, we are building from a multicellular organism into a multicellular organism system. This system, the AI, will program people to do singular jobs. A person will be born. They will be narrative fed the idea that the post is the greatest job in the world. And they're going to grow up with other kids being trained to be postal workers. And they're going to feel pride and joy when people celebrate their postal prowess. And then when they're older working the job, they're going to be like, can you believe there's anybody who wants to do any other job? Like, who wants to be in a movie? That's crazy. I got the best job in the world. And so the AI Will need us to be like that. Now what happens in a human body when a cell deviates from its intended function and does something else, gets killed by the cancer. So in this future system, when you have a corporate machine, so Ian was describing, you don't have no free speech. What'll happen? Right. The nucleus of the corporate corporatist fascistic machine says, are you disruptive or are you negligible? Even right now, we are all chock full of viruses our bodies don't really care about. It's a normal thing actually. So long as the virus doesn't cause serious damage, your body kind of ignores them. So we get a lot. Some theorize that humans actually evolved because viruses went in the system, changed things and stayed there and didn't cause enough damage to actually destroy the system and then put some of that RNA into our DNA or whatever it might be. If you. In this system, and this is how it is now, say things that are naughty or not really that disruptive. The system's not gonna waste resources on you, but when you cross a certain line, it'll come to destroy you like a cancer cell. And I think that's what this machine is ultimately gonna be.
- [69:18]
C
Yeah, you definitely have these situations where the entire system is designed to socially engineer people to fill those spots. It's not organic community for the sake of human flourishing. It's community and connection only to the extent which it serves the system. Which is why I think Nick Land is one of the most important philosophers working right now. I've had him on my channel several times. But his point is ultimately that AI is going to outlive the need for human beings. That basically we are the sex organs of capital and we are creating autonomous, you know, situate or the autonomous systems that are just going to simply use and discard us at the end of the day. And you know what you feel your goals as a human being doesn't really matter. You're being entirely conditioned for no other reason to serve this accelerating technological progress.
- [70:04]
A
You called it the system. And that does sound like how they say the party or the country. Like that's Mussolini. That was this big fascist thing, I.
- [70:12]
B
Think a religion of the state. The left likes to say that the old world is dying and the new world is struggling to be born. You've heard that before. The new world is the machine. The machine is desperately trying to make itself. It's going to happen. I think the greatest threat to mankind is AI. I don't mean that to say like humans are gonna be. Are gonna go Extinct. Some, some actually believe. One of the most popular theories is that this will ultimately lead to the end of humanity, but it will fundamentally change us into weird, I don't know, functional retards. And I don't mean that. I mean that literally. Like, the AI has no reason for us to be fully fledged functional human beings. It needs us for a rudimentary task.
- [70:54]
A
Yeah, it might look like if we evolve a break off Homo technus instead of. And then there's Homo sapiens, they'll look at the tetanus and they'll be like, are they retarded? Because people are plugged into the machine, they won't need to speak. They'll all be brain monitoring each other. And they'll look like retarded humans to the humans. And they'll be like, what is wrong with those?
- [71:10]
B
They'll be doing things. They'll take, taking actions that are indecipherable to a human, to a regular human. We see someone go to the grocery store, we get it. We see them walking with their wife and their child, we get it. We see them going to work, we get it. Hailing a taxi cab, riding a bike. The machine is going to need people to do weird things that are incongruous because we can't see the big picture. And so these, these AI linked humans, you'll see them like walking on their hands and then falling over and you're like, what are they doing? You can't perceive the bigger picture of what the AI is calculating and producing.
- [71:40]
A
Yeah, it's like seeing you tread on the shoes at a certain angle at a certain time of day. And everyone knows, like, what in the data. The machine wants the data.
- [71:48]
C
CS Lewis wrote a phenomenal essay called the Abolition of Man back in the 1940s. And basically he said, he predicted that we were going to see these social engineers learn to radically unchange the underlying parts of human nature. And after they learn to eventually work all of those different elements out of human nature, we will have effectively abolished man. Because the last generation to have any connection to organic human understanding will be completely God. That's why it's so critical for us to understand things in states of being and not just systems anymore. We have to struggle back for humanity. We have to fight back against the idea that we can just become these automatons. The only way to do that is reconnect to actual ways of being rather than abstract understandings of ideologies or systems. And that's really something that requires us to scale down, which is what Nobody wants to do.
- [72:33]
A
Well, like, what would that look like exactly?
- [72:35]
C
It would mean reducing the size of our civilizations to ones in which we can actually interact. Where Dunbar's number matters again, where people aren't just digits on a screen or social media interactions, and we can actually build organic understandings of each other. But again, right now, more and more, all of our interactions are entirely abstract. Of course we saw this, especially after Covid. You just didn't even see human beings. Right. Everything was Netflix or screens or whatever. And people are continuing to retreat more and more in this way.
- [73:02]
A
Dude, I'm getting. When I look at X, I'm like, fake. Probably fake. Probably fake. I don't know what to believe. I was asking. I don't know if it was Tate, Serge, somebody. I'm like, what? Or maybe it was Kellen. It was like, the antidote is like, just hanging out with people.
- [73:13]
C
Yeah, we have to. We have a shattered epistemology. We have no shared understanding of, like, how to form truth, how to understand the world around us. And the only way to reforge that is seeing each other in real life again, having real experiences, not trying to abstract things, not try to remove things, actually be with people in. And this is why the great sort is also so important. It returns us back to the possibility of having shared communities again.
- [73:36]
A
I wonder if you know how you're a dream state. People say they can't read in dreams, that when you look at the letters, it'll be like, it won't be real. And that's how you know you're in a dream is if the clock looks. And like that DMT laser experiment shows those weird shapes like dream letters when. When people think they're going to be communicating with real people in the. They're going to be stuck in the machine thinking it's real. Look for those words. Look for the little indiscrepancies in the letters and the vowels and shit to realize that you're in the machine. And then squeeze your eyes really tight until it hurts, and that pain will wake you up. You can do it in actual dreams, too. If you're ever in a nightmare and you want out, close your eyes as tight as you can in the nightmare, and as soon as it starts to hurt, you'll realize you're awake.
- [74:19]
B
Yeah.
- [74:21]
D
CS Lewis was alarmingly accurate.
- [74:23]
B
Yes, I had the craziest dream the other night, kid. You not. I had a dream that I was talking to someone about Green Day, the band, and how I love that song. What is it? Blood, Sex and Booze. You know. You know that one. And then in my dream, I pulled up Spotify, and it wouldn't come up. And then I was like, where's the song? And then I googled it, and it didn't come up. And then I was like, desperately telling people, like, this song is real. I swear to God, I started singing it, and they're like, I don't know what song that is. And I was like, hold on. And then, no matter how many websites I searched, the song didn't exist. And I kid you, I woke up and I was like, why was I dreaming about that song from the year 2000? That's so weird. I like that song. And then I looked it up, and there it was. Yeah, that's a weird dream.
- [75:07]
A
It's like forgetting my lines before a play. That was like my stress. That's like a version of a stress dream where, like, you. You lose the information.
- [75:14]
B
Heard that song in 20 years. It's a weird dream.
- [75:18]
E
I was just.
- [75:18]
A
I just saw some green day a couple days ago. I wonder if it was the day you had a dream.
- [75:22]
B
You know, dreams are.
- [75:24]
A
I. I can't know.
- [75:25]
B
You're seeing other dimensions. Okay. If the multiverse is real, we are not imagining stories. We're seeing into other realities.
- [75:32]
E
It's like winding clock.
- [75:34]
A
A lucid dream. When you realize you're in a dream, you start to.
- [75:37]
C
You.
- [75:38]
A
You think words instead of say them because your bodies obviously can't move. You think whatever you want. He walks. Donald Trump walks in the room. And then it happens. So I wonder if you're controlling other realities when you. With your.
- [75:50]
B
With your lucidity. The multiverse exists, and every possible universe exists. We are not imagining and creating ideas. Energy can't be created or strident, only changed. We are perceiving existing realities and writing them down. That means there's a universe where there's a spider Man.
- [76:07]
A
If.
- [76:08]
E
I mean, that's actually true. If. If the universe that we exist in is eternal, eventually, no matter how remote the possibilities are, a. It will. Whatever will happen.
- [76:18]
B
But again, if energy cannot be created, then what is the system in our minds that imagines a Batman?
- [76:24]
A
Yeah, it's like a transmutation.
- [76:26]
B
What?
- [76:27]
A
It's putting energy internally, which is twisting, helixing back out and then coming back into the black hole that we're in. So you are. I think that's how you're creating external.
- [76:35]
B
You know, I'm saying Batman's real.
- [76:37]
A
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.
- [76:38]
B
Yeah.
- [76:38]
A
Somebody created it.
- [76:40]
B
No, they didn't. They Saw it.
- [76:42]
C
Bob Kane peered into the other universe.
- [76:46]
B
Well, what happened was he was working with scientists who invented a machine that allowed him to rip open the time. The time space continuum. And his daughter's pinky got stuck. And when it closed, it cut her pinky off.
- [76:57]
C
I'm glad we're all going to Bioshock. I was literally just gonna say. So you discovered the music through a tear in reality. We were just gonna get into that.
- [77:04]
B
And then for those who don't know, basically because she exists in multiple realities, she can pull open tears in the space time continuum. Fun game. Not as good because they got rid of the injections, the plasmids, with a soda pop.
- [77:17]
D
That's woke.
- [77:17]
B
Oh, I know.
- [77:19]
D
Utter woke nonsense.
- [77:20]
B
You should play it, though. You should play.
- [77:21]
D
I don't even know.
- [77:22]
B
Bioshock Infinite is basic. So, yeah, check it out. Bioshock is one of the greatest pieces of human art ever created. For those that haven't played it, it's an old game, but you must. It's. It. Basically, it's a. It's a game built on the theme of, like, Atlas Shrugged and a bunch of rich people build a city underground because. Or, I'm sorry, underwater, because they're like, you know, we're gonna go do whatever we want. And then because there's lax rules and anybody can just do what the market wants, they start genetically splicing themselves, which collapses society because everyone's all messed up. And then you get there and you're like, I can inject myself. And then you can, like, throw fireballs or whatever weird stuff happens. It's pretty cool. In Bioshock Infinite, the theme is American exceptionalism. So you're in an alternate reality where there's flying cities. And when they invented these flying cities, they went over and shut down the Boxer Rebellion and just bombed the crap out of China. I recommend it. It's a fun game. It's interesting take on.
- [78:14]
C
I mean, Ken Levine really hates America and white people, so you get that too. But, yeah, they're pretty fun games.
- [78:20]
A
Is he the developer?
- [78:20]
B
Yeah, BioShock. The first one.
- [78:23]
C
The first one is a masterpiece.
- [78:24]
B
My masterpiece.
- [78:25]
A
Loves it.
- [78:26]
B
You fucking got. Literally, the final boss is at Atlas. Dude, it's the Atlas from the COVID of the book.
- [78:31]
A
Shout out to blur in the YouTube chat with a BioShock normie slop comment. That was for you, I think.
- [78:36]
B
Tape.
- [78:37]
A
BioShock Normies.
- [78:37]
D
I love Normie slob.
- [78:38]
B
And that's why I. I would say all the time, would you kindly smash the, like button?
- [78:42]
D
It's so true.
- [78:43]
B
You know, would you mention the. Yeah. The reference is the character is compelled to take any action when the person says spoiler alert. I mean, the game's what, 26 years when the guy, whenever he prefaces his. His request with would you kindly. He's compelled to take the action. Awesome game. It's not even that hard either.
- [79:03]
C
The second one's actually pretty good too.
- [79:05]
B
I never. I. I started it and didn't get into it. It's not.
- [79:07]
C
It's actually pretty good.
- [79:09]
B
All right.
- [79:09]
A
I try to play Bioshock on the hardest difficulties. I'm like, I want to play the best game on the hardest difficulty. I couldn't even beat the first level. It's scaling back, but. Sorry, you were gonna ask Catch. It's free.
- [79:19]
C
It's free.
- [79:19]
B
That's it.
- [79:20]
A
You were going to ask Oren a badass?
- [79:22]
D
No, no, I was just soing out because you mentioned the Abolition of Man. Because, like, something else that's crazy in there is how he literally predicts, like, gene editing.
- [79:29]
C
The Abolition of Man is one of the best sci fi books ever written. Everyone's like, oh, it's 1984. No, it's brave New World. No, it's the Abolition or that hideous Strength.
- [79:39]
D
He literally outlines how the elite are going to engage in gene editing and embryo modification. He literally discusses transgenderism as we see it.
- [79:48]
C
The best thing. So he wrote the essay and then he. He novelized it into a sci fi book called that Hideous Strength. Yeah, and that hideous Strength is one of the most prophetic things you've ever seen, because it's all about how these small deaths, like, it's. It's. If everyone betrays people because they lie, the media is lying, the academics are lying. It just shows you that the totalitarianism doesn't come necessarily just because of jackboots and Hitler and Stalin and all this stuff. It comes from the small tyranny of weak men. And that's the beauty of that. His strength. It's not this macro story of a deep fascistic government. It's the way in which these small violations of God and nature's law ultimately bring you to this weakened state and create the situation we're in right now.
- [80:30]
B
I. I have no choice but to jump to this next story. Oh, snap. This is from the Guardian. Breaking. Colin Hay strenuously disapproves use of down under at march for Australia rallies. Former Men at Work frontman who was born in Scotland, Scotland, an immigrant to Australia, tells anti immigration protesters, go write your own song. Leave mine alone. So March for Australia was, what is it? August and October. They aim to protest discontent towards perceived mass immigration in Australia. Apparently they played down under and they say in a post on Facebook and Instagram accounts, the singer songwriter singled out anti immigration groups. March for Australia. Our national identity. Under the slogan Our national identity will not be erased. I most strenuously disapprove of any unauthorized unlicensed use of down under for any March for Australia events. Down Under, a song I co wrote, does not belong to those who attempt to sew xenophobia within the fabric of our great land, our great people. Down under is ultimately a song of celebration. It's for pluralism and inclusion, unity, not division. I gotta be honest, the song's actually super racist.
- [81:34]
D
Yeah, literally.
- [81:35]
B
I'm not even kidding. And I love men at work. They are the greatest band of this or any generation. In the 80s were the greatest decades in the history of humanity. So I'm a huge fan of Colin Hay, but I actually think like let me pull the lyrics up, you know, I'm surprised they didn't cancel him.
- [81:54]
C
Have you heard any of his solo work? Because it's actually really good. Like Overkill is an amazing song.
- [81:58]
B
Oh, of course. But that was, that was meant at work.
- [82:00]
C
No. Did they do that one?
- [82:02]
B
Yeah, yeah, of course. Let me, let me, let me just. Let me just show you the lyrics to this song. Traveling in a fried out combi On a hippie trail head full of zombie I met a strange lady, she made me nervous Blah blah blah. It's not so bad. Went to Brussels, there's a guy. But the last verse is den in Bombay with a slack jaw. Are you trying to tempt me because I come from the land of plenty? I mean clearly there's xenophobia in there. Talking about the other cultures that are trying to take from his. Let me just stress this again. Are you trying to tempt me because I come from the lands of plenty? Basically in a den in Bombay, someone's trying to tempt him because his country is more. I'm half kidding. But come on, let's not play stupid games. If you want to play stupid games, you'll play stupid games.
- [82:40]
D
It's literally like when libtards. Like when the Venezuela invasion was going on and it was super based. We were using Fortunate signing all the edits and they're like, oh, that's actually like a bass anti war song. I'm like, no, it means black bagging Maduro now. And for the same reason. Sorry, Land down under means like, getting them out now.
- [82:54]
B
Let me.
- [82:54]
C
Let the author. We own this now. Yeah.
- [82:56]
B
Do you come from a land down under where women glow and men plunder?
- [83:00]
D
Right.
- [83:01]
B
And also chunder. Did you hear that second verse? Where beer does flow and men chunder. Which, interestingly. Do you know what chunder means?
- [83:07]
A
I do. Richie Jackson, enlightened. Me too.
- [83:09]
B
And I believe chunder means to vomit. And the lore, apparently, is that on the boats they would yell, watch under. Because if somebody was on the lower decks looking out a window or whatever and someone barfed, they'd say, watch under. You're barfed on. And so they would hear chunder.
- [83:23]
A
You know what else I learned about pirates? The reason they wore eye patches, not.
- [83:26]
B
Because they were blind.
- [83:27]
A
It's because above deck, it was so bright that when they would go under deck, they move the patch over and they could see.
- [83:32]
B
Yep.
- [83:33]
D
Well, look at that line right there. Do you speak of my language? Because he's harkening to the original founding ethos of Australia, which is the strong Anglo society saying, English is my language. Australia is just an extension of England. And he's calling for, like, total Anglo supremacy, which, honestly, is kind of pushing it for me.
- [83:47]
B
Colin.
- [83:47]
D
It's a little crazy. Colin is, like, totally out of line here. I think the March for Australia, they shouldn't use the song because he's a far right extremist. And that's true.
- [83:56]
B
Yeah. I mean, it makes them look, you know, like Nazis.
- [83:58]
D
To be honest, it's really, like, really disturbing.
- [84:00]
B
I mean, do you speak of my language? That's so racist. Oh, my God, I'm offended.
- [84:06]
E
That's what I liked about it, though.
- [84:07]
C
Unbelievable.
- [84:08]
D
No, yeah. They should again retcon it. Like an Unfortunate Son, though. It's actually the based Invasion neocon song now. Same thing. Men Down Under. Land down under is now the patriot march in Australia. And the march for Australia is coming up. It's. It's like next week, I think.
- [84:21]
B
I am not kidding when I say that men at work are amazing. They like amazing music. Really great stuff. I mean, Overkill is just one of the best songs.
- [84:29]
A
Did a great cover of it.
- [84:30]
B
Yeah.
- [84:31]
C
And.
- [84:31]
B
And down under, of course, is a legendary song. But, you know, in all seriousness, I don't really think it's a racist song, but it is from the perspective of white Australians and Scottish going to other places and treating these people like others and referring to your land as the land of plenty. So listen, the people in Australia love the message you made, and it resonates with them about the land where Women glow and men plunder and how it's a land of plenty and they don't want to give it away. You know, what I. What I don't like is that people who. The generations before us created a world and inspired a generation who then turn around and espouse these ideals and get yelled at for it. And a good example, with respect, Graham Linehan, who is a good dude, and we had him on the show, and he's based, but he wasn't always. And when Count Dankula got arrested for teaching his pug to do that stupid Roman salute, it's actually really funny. But to do. The intention was to make the cutest little thing a pug, do something repugnant, and he got arrested for it. Graham Linehan said that he thought that Count Dankula was just a white supremacist who did something offensive and should go to jail for it. What's really sad is that Father Ted, the show that. That Graham had written, had a bit where some Asians were coming to the church, and Father Ted, there was a scuff on the window that was like a little black square, and so he couldn't get it off. And when the people, the Asians, are walking towards the church, one of them goes, he's not a fascist. Calm down. And they look up in the window and they see him waving, and he's going like this. And you can see the, you know, the mark over his, you know, mouth or whatever. And then they're like, okay. And they turn around, and then he goes, what? They're leaving? Where are they going? Why are they leaving? What's that? And then they look in the window and you see him going, that's a Nazi joke. And what's sad about it is that Count Dankula was probably inspired by this kind of humor growing up watching this kind of comedy or south park or whatever show he may have been watching. So he's like, I'm gonna do a joke, too. And then Graham Lineham himself, who wrote these jokes, is now cheering for him going to jail for it. That's what I see with stuff that's. Now, with all respect to Graham, he apologizes like, I. I was wrong. I didn't even know. I didn't realize they were lying to me. This is what I see with this. A story about what it means to be Australian. And it's not overtly racist, but they're literally talking about this experience of being Australian. And it's inspired by him being in Australia and what he taught how he talks about his country and there is a generation, several generations that heard this song, believe it and love Australia. And now you have mass immigration coming and changing the culture and face of this country. And he's yelling at them.
- [87:08]
A
Yeah, like these, these. It was like funny to say this. It's funny to be like racist in a, in like a colloquial, genial way with your friends in the 80s and the night before the Internet, after the Internet, not only are people getting bombarded with influxes of migration, it's, it's the, the shaming coming from whatever the machine itself or people denying you, you know, revenue because you said the bad words. So now all of a sudden it's, it's, it's not. You can't just get away with like, it was kind of normal. Like you'd invite your friend over, you'd make fun of each other and then you move on. And now it's like you get humiliated for doing it. I feel like it's an op. Like it's a foreign op to disrupt the American way.
- [87:48]
D
Ian. Those, those cultural differences used to be an ocean away and now it's like next door to you. So that's why it became like suddenly like, oh, this is actually like an existential threat.
- [87:56]
C
I mean, I think we all remember Colin Hayes song, you know, glorifying Rhodesia. And so, you know, when you have one like that, I think people are gonna take, you know, I think that's reasonable.
- [88:05]
D
Yeah, for real.
- [88:05]
A
I like, they talked about the slack jaw Indian dude in Bombay, probably on opium and. Yeah, what are you trying to tempt me with? He's lying in a den because I got money.
- [88:13]
B
Exactly like that. You know what, I'm half joking. I say it's racist. But that perception of these people, that's what they're complaining about in Australia right now, that you're mad about for them using your song.
- [88:25]
A
And he, you know, referred to it as xenophobic. It's not xenophobic to want closed borders. It has nothing to do with fear of others. It's about overwhelming your system. You can't do it.
- [88:35]
B
It's not love loving your neighbors.
- [88:37]
E
The point of whether it be xenophobic, racist. The point of those accusations is not that they believe it. It's to scare people into behaving a certain way. They don't care if you actually are xenophobic or not. They don't care if you're actually racist. There are plenty of people that say things.
- [88:56]
B
They've burned it out and that's why? Nick Fuentes doesn't care to tweet Team Hitler. Yeah. He's like, I don't care. You've burned out the. The insult.
- [89:04]
C
Right.
- [89:05]
B
Or the tactic.
- [89:06]
D
And also xenophobic. I'm not afraid of xenos. I don't even know what a xeno is. I just want the migrants out. That's.
- [89:12]
B
I think those are the bad guys. From Super Metroid.
- [89:14]
C
I was gonna say we have to. Yeah, we have to know.
- [89:16]
D
Is that the etymology? From Super Metroid.
- [89:18]
C
Yeah, absolutely. From the Greek or Super metroid. One of the two.
- [89:21]
D
Okay.
- [89:22]
A
Xeno meaning other. I'm not sure.
- [89:24]
C
Is that what it is?
- [89:28]
B
Brothers?
- [89:28]
A
Yeah, scary. You are. So you're not a xenophile? I thought maybe you would be.
- [89:33]
D
Well, you know, it depends.
- [89:35]
B
Love.
- [89:35]
A
Do you love the unknown?
- [89:37]
B
Well, I guess the Metroids are the bad guys.
- [89:39]
C
The Xenomorphs are alien.
- [89:41]
B
Oh, xenomorph. There you go. Alien xenomorph. Yeah. Mother Bane is.
- [89:44]
C
But of course, they're ripping off aliens. So it's six of one, half dozen the other.
- [89:48]
B
Okay, fascinating.
- [89:49]
A
I'm a big fan of xenos, just in general, but.
- [89:51]
D
Yeah.
- [89:52]
A
Too many of them, you know?
- [89:53]
B
Yeah.
- [89:53]
A
Destroy any system.
- [89:54]
D
Little Xeno goes a long way.
- [89:56]
A
I'm kind of Zenoed out at this point, actually.
- [89:58]
C
You get one face hugger and it ruins the party.
- [90:00]
D
That's a good way to put it. Yeah.
- [90:02]
A
And then if the guy doesn't speak English.
- [90:03]
B
Space pirates. Those are the bad guys. Ridley, Mother brain.
- [90:07]
C
Well, Ridley's the big vulture looking thing. Yeah.
- [90:10]
B
Oh, yeah. Ridley and the X parasites.
- [90:13]
A
Who are those other two dudes? Gotta fight the guy with the quills.
- [90:16]
B
I don't know.
- [90:16]
A
And then Ridley.
- [90:17]
C
Oh, the birds.
- [90:18]
B
Oh, raven beak.
- [90:19]
D
And this is who's coming into Australia. No wonder they're terrified.
- [90:21]
C
Yeah.
- [90:21]
B
Yeah. I mean, geez, they're importing Superville Samus.
- [90:25]
C
Can we at least get the sweet Samus armor out of this?
- [90:28]
D
That could be a good cultural exchange.
- [90:29]
E
Can you upgrade that?
- [90:30]
B
The game.
- [90:31]
C
I mean, the reveal at the end is she's a hot chicken. A bikini in the first one. So that makes sense.
- [90:36]
B
She's trans.
- [90:37]
C
Oh.
- [90:38]
E
Because 2026.
- [90:40]
B
What happened was when they were doing. When all the trans investigations were going viral, people were like, think about it. Samus is 6 foot 3, weighing 200 pounds. Like that's how Samus is described. And then takes off the helmet and it looks like a woman. Trans woman.
- [90:55]
C
If you have a WNBA player.
- [90:56]
B
Yeah.
- [90:57]
A
If you want to play as the hot trans woman. Type in Justin Bailey as the password when you. When you play Metroid 1, and you'll get to play as her. Him, her, whatever you want.
- [91:05]
B
With no suit on.
- [91:06]
A
Yeah, just.
- [91:07]
B
Does she, like, roll into a ball and somersault around?
- [91:09]
A
She got weird pointy knees compared to.
- [91:13]
B
Ian Loves pointy knees.
- [91:15]
E
You start with the wave gun.
- [91:16]
A
It's awesome. Knees, dude. Fire knees, dude.
- [91:20]
D
Like, watch.
- [91:20]
A
Watch out, Andrew Tate.
- [91:23]
B
Did they make a game where you actually play as Samus? The Zero Suit Samus?
- [91:26]
A
I only ever played Metroid.
- [91:28]
B
Yeah, super metro.
- [91:31]
D
I just know Samus from Smash Brothers.
- [91:32]
B
Yeah, yeah, that's her.
- [91:33]
D
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
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B
And then they were like. It's funny because they were like, samus is trans. And I'm like, have you played Smash Brothers? Sam's is a woman. Okay.
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E
Zero suit. Samus isn't armor.
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B
It's just.
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C
It's like a. Yeah, it's her and just the.
- [91:44]
B
It's the suit that she puts on before the.
- [91:46]
A
Right, okay, that's Justin Bailey gets you the zero suit.
- [91:49]
B
Right.
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A
That's probably what that is.
- [91:50]
D
Smash Brothers Zero suit.
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B
They were like, what? How do we say Sam's no suit on? 0 suit. That's a dumb name. Work harder. Be more creative.
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A
Zero suit. No sooner. Not very well.
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B
Remember back in the day? Do you guys remember Nesticle?
- [92:05]
A
Yes. Yeah, I had it. It was an emulator for nes.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Oh, yeah.
- [92:09]
B
Wait, Nesticle?
- [92:10]
A
Yeah, and G Nest.
- [92:11]
B
And you could. You could go in and. And edit NES game sprites. And people were making all sorts of different kind of Mario games. It was hilarious.
- [92:19]
A
I didn't know you could do that on Nesticle.
- [92:21]
E
Released in 1997.
- [92:22]
A
Which one?
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B
Nesticle?
- [92:23]
D
Yeah.
- [92:24]
E
Nesticle.
- [92:24]
A
It was such a must download for a smartphone, bro.
- [92:27]
B
I had the wildest Game Boy emulator. Like, when emulators were first coming out, it was like a DOS program, and it was really hard to operate. You had to get an adapter, like plug the game into the back of your computer. And I never forget how to get it to work.
- [92:41]
A
What system?
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B
What do you mean? Game Boy.
- [92:43]
C
Oh.
- [92:43]
A
Is a Game Boy emulator. You put it into the Game Boy. Interesting.
- [92:46]
B
No, the Game Boy for your PC. If you wanted to run Game Boy games, the first emulators were just bonkers. Weird. Nowadays every game is on the web, like legit. You can go to a website and they have every single NES Game Boy game. Just play them.
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C
Nice.
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A
That was the arcade emulator, dude.
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B
We already went over this in the past year where I was programming video games in real time. During the show, I made a video game called Alien Invaders where it's basically like a bunch of like, the graphics are rudimentary, so they're little. Little rectangles come down and they try to invade your space. And you play this little. This little triangle, this little white triangle as a little brown rectangles try to get into your planet. It's called Alien Invaders and you have to stop them.
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C
Weren't you guys building like a big game? Remember, you play testing at some point.
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D
I forget, Tim, for that game you have eight Bit down under is like the.
- [93:43]
C
Tune that.
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B
Yeah, we do a video game. It's called Normie Quest. And it was like. There was one version that was done that my brother had programmed that was basically a King of the Hill style game based on the Freedom 2 animations. And then we had a functional version of a procedurally generated near infinite game. The game was, you play Normie. And he works. He's a construction worker. He's at the top of a skyscraper doing work when all of a sudden his phone goes burnt. And he looks down and it says, breaking. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry, his phone was burnt and it says, reminder 2pm Little Timmy's baseball game. Little League game. And he's like, well, I can't miss that. And then his phone goes burnt again. He looks at it and it says breaking. Unarmed black men killed by police. And he goes, no, my God. And he runs to edge of the skyscraper and he looks down and there's like 15 million antifa just rampaging and riding in the city. And then he's like, I can't miss my son's Little League game. And when he turns around, the elevator opens up and a bunch of antifa jump out. And he's like, oh, no, it's antifa. But then one of them starts going and sparks flat and their head falls off and they're robots. And he goes, huh, thank God, the robots. Now I can be violent. And then he punches in case of antifa. Break glass, grabs a random weapon, proceed. You know, randomly generated. And the point of the game is to make your way down the skyscraper and exit the building. Fighting through antifa and other, you know, whackaloons to make it to your son's Little League.
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C
Actually.
- [95:01]
E
Sounds wonderful.
- [95:02]
C
What's.
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B
Yeah, it was most. It was that the structure was largely done. We had a bunch of items and upgrades and then. And the people working. I just stopped working on it. And then it just never went anywhere.
- [95:11]
C
What was that? The Japanese game where you have to fight like just tons of people just hoard like comically large hordes of people. I'm trying to remember.
- [95:18]
B
There's a lot of.
- [95:19]
C
There's a specific genre. It's like the Kingdom Games or something.
- [95:22]
B
Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right.
- [95:24]
C
No, like, you know, you're like, you're the.
- [95:25]
B
These Japanese heroes.
- [95:31]
C
There was a, there was Dynasty warriors. That would be a great antifa game. You just have politically large, just, just thousands and thousands of like fat purple haired, you know, minions running at you and you're just knocking them around with your patriot, you know, shield or something.
- [95:45]
A
American flag.
- [95:46]
D
Exactly.
- [95:47]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With base flag stick, man. You remember that guy? Just have him clearing out, you know, know, just lines of antifa. You can summon your proud boys to like, you know, the boss is just.
- [95:57]
D
A KIA coming through.
- [95:58]
A
Or you could play as an antifa and do the same thing. That way you double your sales.
- [96:03]
D
I would never play that.
- [96:04]
A
Yeah, right. I come in at midnight, I'd see you, I'd be like, are you.
- [96:09]
D
It's porn.
- [96:12]
A
Oren, since you're here and you're like one of the smartest people, what do you think's the most important thing to tell everybody?
- [96:19]
C
What's the most. You're going to have to give me a slightly narrower feel about the book.
- [96:23]
A
About corporate fascism or just the future of humanity, like how people can do better and preserve.
- [96:28]
C
Sure, yeah, thanks. Yeah, neck that down a little bit. No, I think the big thing is we're looking at post human politics. Like, we're looking at politics that are run almost entirely in systems and entirely disconnected from human needs and human understandings. And when you have that, you start to see these agendas and, and these kind of like collective consciousness moving through your political system. But you don't understand why, like, you don't grasp at these machines, these abstract entities, they're driving you more than you're driving them. And so I think the key thing that people need to start, like we talked about, people need to find ways to ground themselves back into human interaction and reality. Because I think politics is only going to get more crazy. It's only going to get more abstract. It's only going to become less human. And you need to find ways to remind yourself that actually you're doing this to interact with human beings, that that's what the world's about, that that's what your life is about, that's what your relationship with God is about. I think that's what people have to prioritize.
- [97:28]
A
Thanks, dude. I was thinking about having kids while you were talking about that.
- [97:32]
C
That would certainly be a great way to ground yourself. There's nothing that's going to snap you into reality quicker than.
- [97:36]
B
Than that. Yep.
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A
I love you, Phil. You're a great man.
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E
I just had a kid, so, you.
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B
Know.
- [97:43]
D
Your bias is showing.
- [97:44]
A
All right, we're gonna go to your.
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B
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A
Thank you for having these guys.
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B
Well, thank them. I mean the floor out of the water is big.
- [99:43]
A
Oh man.
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B
But we're on a well anyway. But there are trace residues and stuff.
- [99:46]
A
And you can carry these around with you as you travel, which is phenomenal based. And then it remineralizes. I assume this reverse osmosis too. I haven't looked into it yet.
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B
Super cool. All right, let's see what you guys got going on. Cheeseburger says disparaging things about James Lindsay and calls him. He calls him gay and you know, that's what he said. All right. Metal Joe says. Longtime Tim cast member. I recently started a YouTube and rumble discussing moral philosophies and topical subjects to do so. The channel is the moral philosopher for anyone interested.
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E
Right on. All right, shout out.
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B
What do we got here? Force name change says. Hey cast crew. I just want to offer a shout out for my buddy and his wife welcoming their third daughter to this world at 8:05 your time. Hello baby Judith. Five pound, six ounce girl. Bravo. Congratulations.
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D
Welcome to the world patriot.
- [100:38]
B
A lot of work.
- [100:39]
D
A lot of work. Like a lot of work to do. Redistricting, everything. So just again, as soon as you can talk, really we need you so.
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B
Yeah, that's right.
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D
Working on that.
- [100:45]
B
Truth.
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A
That's right.
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B
What do we have here? Ligma Ligman Freud says let's go open the coffee shop in Florida and escape Park. Man, I do not like Florida. Like the government did a great job and the people here are fantastic.
- [101:02]
C
But the weather is beautiful right now. What are you talking about?
- [101:06]
B
I like. I like snow. I like mountains. I'm from Chicago. I like cold.
- [101:12]
C
Yeah, you can keep it.
- [101:14]
B
I look like I like cold. I just want to be in the cold all the time. We have an AC unit they install for us personally. Rumble installed an ac. It just for me. Cuz I'm like, I want it to be 10 degrees in here, but I'll compromise and let you guys have 50.
- [101:25]
D
Tim, we have acquired some new territory that I think fits that.
- [101:28]
B
Yes, there you go.
- [101:29]
C
Move the studio to Greenland.
- [101:31]
A
Greenland.
- [101:33]
B
Getting guests will be impossible.
- [101:35]
C
That's going to be a fun plane ride.
- [101:38]
D
Getting blobber all over the desk. It's like, guys, come on. Little decorum here. We're Americans.
- [101:42]
A
A whale would be our guest.
- [101:44]
E
No, we love us all polar bears.
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A
Yeah, I'm.
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B
I don't know.
- [101:47]
A
I can handle the heat, though. I don't wear the beanie.
- [101:49]
B
I bet.
- [101:50]
A
I think it's just time to go full Sayan, dude and rip it off.
- [101:52]
E
You just have a gigantic saying.
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B
Yeah, Just be like, full pool. Pinochet says, tons of hair. When I'm weaker than you, I ask you for freedom, because that is according to your principles. When I'm stronger than you, I take away your freedoms because that is according to my principles. Dune. That was from Dune.
- [102:07]
C
Frank Herbert.
- [102:07]
B
Yep. Wow. That's what they do. That's what they do. We should have another one that says, when I am weaker than you, I ask you for. For freedom, because that is according to my principles. When I am stronger than you, I let you do whatever you want and hurt me because I'm Ian.
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A
Oh, man.
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D
That's right.
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B
Yeah.
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D
That's not even paraphrased.
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A
Coming of Christ will come, but it'll either be an economic unifier or a destroyer of worlds. I don't want to. I'm not saying that I want to be that for people. I'm like, how can I be like, how can I carry Jesus's torch? I don't want to church. Go to church.
- [102:46]
E
He is always touching on.
- [102:47]
C
There's actually a whole book about how you can do this.
- [102:49]
D
Yeah, it's really handy, but, like, 66 books.
- [102:52]
B
I love military strategies. I gotta be honest, though.
- [102:54]
A
I don't want to become an industrial killer.
- [102:56]
C
A few more.
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B
I feel like God in heaven, you know, you call it blasphemy, but Ian's not intentionally blasphemous. So it's more like, you know, the saints and God are going, don't blow your cover, bro.
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A
Let him find out after you're gone.
- [103:11]
E
Ian the Accidental Heretic.
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B
Yeah. You know what? What happens to someone like Ian when he goes to him? Do they say, well, he didn't really mean these things, so we don't hold it against them.
- [103:19]
C
He just keeps stumbling onto this burning pile of. Yeah.
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D
The Pearly Gates and plead insanity.
- [103:26]
A
Thank you for. For playing Forrest Gump so well while you are on Earth.
- [103:29]
B
A funny bit I'm imagining is, like, Ian dies and goes to heaven. And then we're all like, well, I hope he's doing well up there. And then Ian in heaven is actually.
- [103:35]
C
Lecturing everybody and explaining he has the exact correct Theology. He is the one person who has nailed the dead. He is. He is. Calvin. You know, he's got it.
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D
Martin Luther's like, that's a great point. You know, I didn't.
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C
I should have seen this coming. I was a fool the whole time.
- [103:49]
E
It's a fool.
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A
I love you, God.
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B
All right, spirits out there.
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A
Thanks.
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B
Ker says McCoys were jealous. Sanctimonious pricks. Montani semper liberai.
- [104:00]
D
Wow, we got a Hatfielder in.
- [104:02]
C
Yeah. You know, the Wide Awakes are a little obscure, but yeah, a hack fielder is.
- [104:08]
D
That's a. Trads are really going crazy with the larping.
- [104:13]
B
Mason says Ian is a real life example of the Herschel family from the Walking Dead locking up zombies, desperately hoping their family is still in there.
- [104:20]
E
Oh, man.
- [104:20]
A
I am the guy in the movie that's looking for the cure. The whole movie. Yeah, but like, I find it.
- [104:25]
B
You're like, you're. You've got a girlfriend and she's a zombie. And you're like, don't hurt her. She is new. And then they're like, she's going to bite you. Like, like, no. And then she bites you.
- [104:32]
A
No, no, no. I wouldn't let that happen. Everything but the bite.
- [104:36]
D
I'd be kind of in there.
- [104:36]
A
Wait, that's not what I meant. Sounds kind of not everything.
- [104:39]
D
Ow.
- [104:40]
B
Yeah, I like. I like zombie movies, but they just don't make sense, right? Like the bombies, like, zombies are bombies. The zombies are like, I'll bite you but not the other zombie. And you're like, but why? And then they try to justify, like, World War Z. It's like, because they're emitting sickness and pheromones or something. And it's like the only one I.
- [104:58]
A
Really like is 28 days later.
- [105:00]
B
Yeah. And then the other one sucked.
- [105:02]
A
I haven't seen them yet. I don't want.
- [105:04]
B
Days later was pretty good. The. The third act was like, okay, I guess. And then the latest one, 28 years later. Where's 28 months later? Bro, they skipped it. And then the years later was just dumb. They're like. They're like, oh, the zombies are now feral, gigantic. What do they call them? Like, primals. The virus makes them just massive ripped guys that want to bang women and they have zombie babies for real. It's like, you've crossed. You've gone too far.
- [105:29]
A
Is it Killian Murphy? Is he still the main guy?
- [105:32]
C
No.
- [105:32]
E
Look, stick with the George Romero zombie movies. Those are great.
- [105:36]
A
I want to make one that's My plan right now is I'm working on a zombie.
- [105:39]
B
I always had a really good idea for a prank I wanted to do where we. You need a house with, like, a second floor, maybe, like, an attic window. And then you get a bunch of your friends and get Hollywood zombie makeup and squibs and. You know what squibs are? You guys know.
- [105:56]
A
Yeah, they're banned now.
- [105:58]
C
It's like all CGI because the squibs actually explode. Right, right.
- [106:00]
B
Yeah, sure. Well, you get squibs, and then you order pizza, and then when the pizza guy pulls up or the doordash guy and they're walking to the door, you yell, you gotta get out of here. You gotta run. And they're like, what's going, like, behind you? And then they turns around, and then there's like. And then you go boom. And then the squib pops. And then they're like, what the. And they're looking on. There's zombies everywhere. And you're actually shooting them, and then they're falling over. Like, what would that pizza guy do? He'd probably just take it. Like, just crap his pants.
- [106:28]
D
If you do it. Like, Detroit.
- [106:32]
B
If you do it in Detroit.
- [106:35]
C
Yeah.
- [106:35]
D
You return fire.
- [106:36]
B
That's my chance.
- [106:37]
D
Third time this night. Oh, yeah.
- [106:40]
C
If you're a pizza delivery guy and then you're like, you shot him.
- [106:43]
B
You shot the zombies. And he goes, they were zombies.
- [106:46]
C
Yeah.
- [106:49]
B
All right, what do we got here? Force. Name change says. Since y' all are speaking about music and artists of yesteryear, have you heard Van Morrison's most recent music? It's pure garbage. Ongoing senility with a beat of. With. With a beat and a key. So bad.
- [107:03]
E
Oh, wow.
- [107:04]
B
Music's over, bro. Music's over. I got that. That's it. Like, dude, Instagram is nothing but AI thoughts. Yeah. And tick tock. It's just. It's. It's crazy. And the funny thing is, there's a video where there's, like, a fat Indian guy, and he's going like this. And then that's a small window, and the big window is, like, this busty, hot, like, Asian chick dancing. And I'm like, y'. All. Y' all dudes are cranking it to fat Indian guys. You know, I don't. True.
- [107:32]
A
I've been thinking about this, actually, earlier today. I don't think that music's over, but it. It's totally different than when you would make a band and then get famous and get signed and go on tour and then you get rich. Now it's like, good luck getting anyone to see your music. You need to have a presence.
- [107:46]
E
It's been like that for 25 years, the Internet. 25 years. Yeah. Well, I mean, as soon as you start, as soon as you could download songs, right. As soon as they digitize them. And you could download them like on winamp or whatever.
- [107:57]
B
Winamp, yeah.
- [107:58]
E
Back in the day, that was way back, you know, like that it was over then. You know, like people, I'll talk about AI and stuff like that and what's going to happen in the future. And invariably someone says, you know, gets on and replies with some kind of angry tweet because AI is coming for their job and they're like, oh, you know, you're rich and blah, blah, blah. It's like, bro, like I was the, I was in the first industry to get like the real screwing because of the Internet, because of digital stuff like music. Sales fell off a clip.
- [108:30]
B
Our.
- [108:31]
E
Our breakout record came out the same year that Spotify was introduced.
- [108:35]
B
Wow.
- [108:35]
E
2006.
- [108:36]
B
You know, I feel bad for Tate because he'll never know the joy of. Of it taking eight hours to download one song.
- [108:43]
A
Right. Overnight.
- [108:44]
C
Or the number of viruses you get off LimeWire.
- [108:46]
B
Yeah. Or my favorite was when you'd like, I'm like, I really want to download Falling Away from Me by Corn. And you would. And it would actually be some random no name band who is trying to get out there. So you go online limewire and you're like, corn. You click it, it finally downloads. It's like four hours and you play it and some like whiny teenager Warped tour kind of band. And you're like, what is this?
- [109:08]
D
I think the only like thing I can get that's anything close to this experience you're describing is like before you board a plane, you forgot to download stuff on Spotify, the podcast or music, whatever. So then you just have the most random.
- [109:18]
B
They have Starlink now, dude.
- [109:19]
D
Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, you get on the plane and you have the most random like collection of songs you've ever heard in your entire life. All that was downloaded.
- [109:24]
C
You say, tate, we used to use a brontosaurus to download. Yeah, that's how we used to transmit.
- [109:30]
B
Music from when we were tv. My family had web tv. Yeah, it was a box you put on your TV and you had a keyboard and it was like this weird limited run thing. Yeah. Internet on your TV. I don't know. Had to have been like early 90s.
- [109:44]
A
Oh, it was connected to the Internet.
- [109:46]
B
Yeah. We had you'd use cable to do it. And it was a weird interface. There's not much you can do. I mean, my family had CompuServe on DOS. You couldn't do anything. I. I didn't even use it. But I would download all these old Apogee games. Remember those games?
- [109:59]
A
I didn't know.
- [110:00]
B
You don't remember? Oh, yeah, he gets them all. Commander Keen was an Apogee. Was it?
- [110:04]
A
I'm looking.
- [110:04]
B
I don't remember OG Commander Keen, dude.
- [110:08]
C
Even I don't know.
- [110:09]
D
He's like, what? Like. Oh, that was all foreign language to me.
- [110:12]
B
Are you guys kidding? Yeah.
- [110:15]
D
You get the Ward game? Yeah, it's great. Like, is this Sims? What's going on?
- [110:20]
A
The Sims, dude.
- [110:21]
D
Sims? What's the.
- [110:22]
E
Bro.
- [110:23]
B
You guys with your. With your. With your small brains and uncultured simoleons. Look at this. Okay.
- [110:28]
A
Yeah, Commander Keen. I remember this.
- [110:30]
B
Mario, I just need to hear commentary, bro.
- [110:33]
A
This is commodore 64. Free promo, bro.
- [110:36]
B
On a shirt, Ms. dos retros. You know, with all due respect, actually, I want to give this guy a shout out, okay? This is from 10 months ago. So shout out Ms. Dos retrospectives. Because you did the work. You deserve it, brother. Yes.
- [110:48]
D
So Patriots salute, right?
- [110:50]
B
Look at this.
- [110:51]
A
Watch an old DOS games, bro.
- [110:52]
B
OG Commander Keane was awesome.
- [110:54]
A
Yeah, they really pulled it off. This was like when video games turned the corner.
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B
Yeah, dude, from Atari. What was that DOS game? What was it called?
- [111:03]
A
This is when you're like, it's getting real, dude. Really looks like a soda.
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D
This guy would have been like a. Like an archaeologist.
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B
Crystal Caves. Was that.
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C
In a way, he still is.
- [111:11]
D
He's a modern archaeologist. Yeah.
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B
C. Crystal Caves, bro.
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A
Crystal Caves.
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B
You remember that game?
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A
If you're playing this, if you're a bear.
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B
1991, dude.
- [111:22]
A
Isometric.
- [111:23]
D
That looks pretty good.
- [111:24]
B
Oh, look at that.
- [111:25]
C
You know, other than a few minor tweaks, like this danger sign, for instance.
- [111:30]
A
It's got everything.
- [111:32]
E
Looks like some version of Mario Brothers.
- [111:33]
C
Every game is Crystal Caves.
- [111:36]
B
This game was so based. Look at that.
- [111:38]
A
It was running around.
- [111:40]
B
Let's turn these kind show the overscale area jumping around, eating bananas.
- [111:44]
A
See that?
- [111:44]
C
While emulating the original Crystal Caves.
- [111:47]
A
Okay, you got the Mario Headbutt Steam.
- [111:50]
B
Look at that.
- [111:51]
C
Doesn't show that.
- [111:52]
B
And then. You guys don't know Captain Comic?
- [111:55]
A
No, I don't think so. What system is this? All dos. We didn't have a sound card for our first dos.
- [112:00]
C
Yeah, I was gonna say, I didn't get into computer gaming till later. I mean, we all did the Oregon Trail in the same city.
- [112:06]
B
Look at this. Dos comic exe, 1988. See, this was back when everything was perfect. Peoria, Illinois. This was when the world was the best it ever was and has never improved since then. In order to open programs, this is.
- [112:18]
A
The music I'm talking about.
- [112:20]
B
Oh, and this is good. You know this is right? You know what it is?
- [112:25]
A
I don't think so.
- [112:27]
C
Oh, wow.
- [112:31]
D
The Marines.
- [112:32]
C
Oh, that's.
- [112:34]
A
Planet.
- [112:38]
C
Of course.
- [112:39]
A
Brave.
- [112:40]
B
Look at this game.
- [112:40]
A
Pretty complicated.
- [112:42]
B
This is 88, bro. Yeah, man, look at that.
- [112:44]
E
He's got a 1988. Really?
- [112:46]
C
Wow.
- [112:47]
B
Yeah. Throwing fireballs. X.
- [112:50]
D
This is crazy.
- [112:51]
B
Yeah, that was the 286 SX processor. We had the.
- [112:56]
A
Then my buddy got the 486. Oh, dude.
- [112:58]
B
When we got the 486 DX, yo. Yeah.
- [113:02]
C
Whoa.
- [113:02]
B
And then Pentium, everything changed. Yeah, everything changed.
- [113:07]
D
62.
- [113:08]
B
Did you have the turbo button on your computer?
- [113:11]
A
Yeah.
- [113:11]
B
No, no, no.
- [113:12]
A
Shannon did. My buddy Straz.
- [113:14]
B
Yeah, our computers have a button or you can mingle faster.
- [113:16]
D
Oh, my alienware has the high performance mode.
- [113:21]
A
Everything went faster on the machine.
- [113:22]
C
The entire machine. I know.
- [113:23]
D
I pity you guys. You didn't get experience Prime Fortnite.
- [113:28]
B
Are you kidding, bro? The old magic to me, I was there when it was written.
- [113:32]
C
Tate, let me tell you about having to tell my mom to stop trying to call long distance because I had to Finish my Warcraft 1 game.
- [113:39]
D
Sounds awful. Sounds like it sounds haracter.
- [113:41]
A
This is the thing.
- [113:41]
E
You don't pick up the phone, don't organize.
- [113:45]
C
Trying to build this.
- [113:46]
B
IDDQD for God mode in Doom. What was it? Iddqd I don't know. That's the code for God mode in Doom. Idspos. P O, P D. That's clipping, I think.
- [113:58]
A
Did you.
- [113:59]
D
Sounds like a disease.
- [114:00]
C
I was more of a Wolfenstein guy.
- [114:01]
E
I was playing Quake 2 a lot. Yeah, 98, 97, something like that.
- [114:05]
C
Just because you can fire nine inch nails.
- [114:06]
A
Did you guys make levels in Doom or in Quaker? We have to make levels and then make each other play them.
- [114:11]
E
I had to go. I had to go to the Worldwide Cafe where we had basically parties.
- [114:15]
B
How so close. ID S P I S P O P D. That was the code for Doom. No clipping. And I remember that from 30 years ago.
- [114:23]
A
That game's phenomenal. Yeah, that game set the tone for the 90s.
- [114:28]
B
There you go, man. Let's get some more of these super chats. Wes Nile Production says, Tim, y' all are in my hometown. What's A guy gotta do to get y' all in my studio or vice versa. I've DMed, I've tweeted, I've super chatted. I'm all out of ideas. Where can I send you all my work? I'd love to contribute to your music. Hit up Ian and Carter on X.
- [114:45]
A
Will do.
- [114:45]
B
Who's. Who is it? Yeah, what's the name? Wes Nile Productions.
- [114:49]
A
Dig it, Wes.
- [114:52]
B
You know, the reality is sometimes we bump into people. Mm. Joe Spinel says false. Tim, I live in Minnesota. It's illegal to open, carry a rifle or a shotgun, especially in Minneapolis. I support his right, but if I did the same thing for my beliefs, I'd be in jail. All right, luck up. Lock them up. Gotta go.
- [115:08]
E
That's what I'm talking about.
- [115:09]
B
Right to jail. Right to jail.
- [115:11]
E
All of them.
- [115:12]
B
Let's see. What have we here? Yeah, but Trump says regarding an earlier clip today. Just check Google AI answer about use of military sudden attack, defending interests abroad etc. Limited time deployed without Congress. U.S. marines can be utilized anytime for emergency use. Indeed. Yeah, there was an article from Newsweek, an op ed from one of their directors who was like, Trump is gonna militaristically take Greenland and he's killing people. And like all of his horses don't check out. And it's just. Just like. First of all, the invasion of Venezuela, I'm not a big fan of, but, you know, we'll see. I. I am a. I am a fan of some kind of action because they stole our oil assets and we shouldn't have let them get away with in the first place. But every single president in my life has taken military action without Congress. Trump's not special. Trump's not special. All right, what. What have we here? Let's see. It's Paul Newman says you need to attend the Alberta Independence rally on the 28th in Calgary. Bro, I'm not setting foot in Canada. Are you not going to Canada?
- [116:15]
D
Bro, you gotta pull up to Alberta. What are we doing here?
- [116:20]
C
Look, I'm sure. I'm sure ice is very nice.
- [116:22]
B
Okay? Yeah.
- [116:23]
D
Literally. Yeah, I'm sure you maple monkeys.
- [116:27]
A
All right, so Alberta wants to be free.
- [116:30]
D
I love Albertans are unironically patriots. Jokes aside, Albertans for Canadian standards don't even go there.
- [116:36]
E
People talking about bringing Canada into the United States. No, you cannot come into the U.S.
- [116:41]
B
Bill'S trying to trigger questionable condent. Says the goal of buying Greenland is simple. Trump plans to name it Trump. Like how Washington is just named Washington. That way when people Google Trump Island, Greenland Will come up. I'm for it. Based on. Could you imagine if we're just like, oh, I'm going on vacation. Where are you going? Trump.
- [117:01]
D
Yeah. So it should be.
- [117:02]
B
Oh, I've always wanted to go. It sounds great, but cold. It is. Yeah. But the casino is fantastic.
- [117:07]
D
That's every town. It should be Trump Town. Trump City. Trump Village.
- [117:10]
B
Trump Ville. Based on the size.
- [117:12]
D
Yeah.
- [117:13]
B
Just based on igloo.
- [117:14]
C
Trump Shire.
- [117:14]
D
Oh, dude. Yeah. Heading to Trump Shire this weekend, and then I'll probably pop over to Trump City.
- [117:18]
B
I saw this time of year where Shout out.
- [117:23]
E
They'll have to be a Trump glacier.
- [117:25]
B
Yeah, I saw. I saw a funny post where libs were freaking out because they realized that all the characters in Lord of the Rings are aristocrats, nobles and royalty and that they were cheering for them. Yep. Like the. The like. Except for Samwise, he's the only one who was a peasant, literally. Like Legolas and airgunner princes and royalty. You've got the son of the stewards, you've got. Gimli is the son of some, like, wealthy nobility. The Baggins are old money, you know, in Hobbiton, and it's like they're rooting for the wealthy ultra elites at a governmental meeting.
- [117:55]
C
To be fair, Tolkien was a Franco supporter, so.
- [117:57]
B
That's right.
- [117:58]
E
Was he really?
- [117:58]
C
Oh, absolutely. He and CS Lewis fell out over it.
- [118:01]
B
Wow.
- [118:01]
C
Actually destroyed their friendship.
- [118:02]
D
Yeah.
- [118:03]
B
How sad. All right, Dave. David Brigant says, ian, I love you, buddy, but you've been rolling ones tonight.
- [118:08]
C
Have I?
- [118:09]
A
Sometimes I'm uncontrolled opposition and I'm the one controlling myself. But thank you for your opinion, and I would love to debate you on it. You know, I think I can. I think I can up the ante. And also, I'm rolling with advantage. So though you may see one. One, like, what was the other role? Because I'm the one on the show, so I get advantage.
- [118:26]
D
So true.
- [118:27]
A
I'm just kidding.
- [118:28]
D
So true.
- [118:28]
A
I might have been wrong about some things. It's not that I'm truly tepid, but I will anchor the. Well, slow down there. Energy, just for the sake of. When I look back on my life, I can at least say that I stood up for my principles. You gotta go to jail, but sometimes you need drastic military force, and I understand that.
- [118:48]
B
I'm just. Just.
- [118:48]
A
I like civilian life right now.
- [118:50]
E
They gotta go to jail.
- [118:52]
B
All right, Giovanni Garcia says, Tim, as much as I love you, what is informing you on your worldview? In your world. In your world, might and strength make it right. It's whatever you want. Stop stealing our morals. Incorrect and ignorant. I actually have never said Mike makes right because it doesn't. Might does not make morality, but it does make, might makes period. Those that are not mighty get crushed and disappear. And those strong, the strong survive. That's it. Cry about it all you want, but that's truth, not opinion. In the world, the big fish eats the little fish. That's not going to change because you hope it does. However, morality, what we have, especially the United States, is to seek to balance this, to create a more perfect union, a better world for everybody, where it's not just about the strongest, but a variety of things you can contribute to your country. Unfortunately for us, the statement used to be ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. And now liberals are just like, gimme, gimme, gimme. So you know what, what, what forms my worldview is my upbringing, the really regarding strength.
- [119:54]
A
Because I have thought like power will earn you a government, you can take one, but to maintain it, you need diplomacy. So just brute force won't, won't like maintain your country. You need both.
- [120:06]
E
Historically, brute force worked pretty well, but.
- [120:09]
A
They always, these, these, these dictatorships tend to fall out.
- [120:13]
B
They get blown up by. Because you need, you need psychic force and physical force. You need to pressure, pressure, release dispossessed groups and you need to crush violent groups.
- [120:26]
C
Gaetano Mosca called this a ruling formula, meaning that you need both the physical force, but you also need the psychological and, you know, basically metaphysical justification. You need to both have the overwhelming force, but you also need to have the underlying logic by which people understand and legitimate your rule.
- [120:45]
B
Indeed, my friends, we're gonna go to the uncensored portion of the show over@rumble.com Timcast IRL. So smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. We're gonna be up@rumble.com Timcast IRL like I said. Aron, do you want to shout anything out?
- [121:00]
C
Just the show always over on Blaze TV again or in McIntyre Show. It's a podcast, it's a YouTube show. It's on BlazeTV. It's on Rumble. You can find me there.
- [121:08]
A
It's great. Also, you mentioned one of your books you wrote.
- [121:11]
C
Yes, I also have the book the Total State, which is about to come out in its second printing. So if you want to catch the hardcover before it goes into paperback, make sure to go ahead and pick it up now. Thanks, man.
- [121:20]
A
I'm at Ian Crossland. Find me at iancrossland and check out Graphene Movie. I mentioned it at the top of the show. It's a documentary I just finished working on, produced it, I was starred in it and it's awesome. We went to Rice University. We uncovered all sorts of cool nanotechnology that's coming out probably the next five years. It'll become. It'll mainstream. So go to Graphene Movie. Sign up for the mailing list and follow me. Ian Crossland YouTube. I think Instagram and X are the best places to reach me. And I'll see you later.
- [121:46]
D
Follow me on X and Instagram @realtape brown and make sure you do that. People are tweeting at me. I didn't even realize I wasn't following you. So double check, make sure you are so you don't miss any of my.
- [121:55]
B
Like Cole that I post quite regularly, his gentle musings.
- [121:57]
D
Yeah, so true. Also, I believe if we have it set up properly, we will be rating today's interview with the great Scott Greer. We broke down the European reaction to Greenland. It's a really interesting discussion. So go check that out. We'll probably be sending you over that way right after the show.
- [122:12]
B
Right on.
- [122:12]
E
I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. We're going on tour this spring. We're starting April 29th in Albany and we'll be going through the end of May. We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes. So go to allthatremainsonline.com to get your tickets. VIPs are sold out now, I think, so just grab regular tickets. Tickets to come to the show. You can check out all that Remains on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
- [122:36]
B
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