ICE SHOOTS Illegal After Trying To RUN OVER Agents w/ James Klug & Lisa Reynolds

Summary

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Timcast IRL Podcast Summary

Episode: ICE SHOOTS Illegal After Trying To RUN OVER Agents w/ James Klug & Lisa Reynolds
Date: July 8, 2026
Host: Phil Labonte (sitting in for Tim Pool)
Guests: James Klug, Lisa Reynolds, Carter Banks

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL dives into several high-profile current events, including the fatal shooting of a Mexican illegal immigrant who attempted to run over an ICE agent, updates on the Tyler Robinson court case (with evidence linking his trans lover to the crime scene), escalating U.S.-Iran military tensions, censorship and criminal justice in the UK, immigration issues, and broader discussions around governance, vigilantism, and U.S. foreign alliances. The panel offers uncensored takes, debates, and sharp criticism—especially on law enforcement, immigration policy, and the size and function of government.

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1. ICE Shooting Incident: Houston, TX

[03:11 – 14:54]

Key Points

• Incident Details:
  An ICE agent in Houston shot and killed Lorenzo Salgado Aro, a Mexican illegal immigrant, after Aro allegedly tried to ram the agent with a vehicle during a targeted enforcement action ([03:11]).

• Panel Reaction:

  • The hosts are unsympathetic to the assailant; describing him as “a desperate moron” and agreeing that such actions logically lead to lethal consequences.
  • Lisa (contrarian guest) refers to the event as “a big W. They keep taking care of themselves” ([05:23]).
  • James Klug notes this is not a unique event: “There was Portland…it was Trendarago gang members…media and Democrats tried to run with it like 'innocent illegals shot,' but when you dig deeper, it blows up in their face” ([04:45]).

• Media & Political Narrative:

  • Discussion on how the left and media sometimes attempt to turn such incidents into “sob stories.”
  • James: “If you show your support for ICE publicly, we will do everything to make your life a living hell... They run a lot of these institutions: media, college campuses, Hollywood...” ([07:22]).
  • General public often forms opinions based on “an hour or two of news headlines a week” ([08:19]).

• Comparisons with Other Countries:

  • Phil: “Most countries, if you’re found to be in their country illegally, you go to prison…US is incredibly generous” ([13:39]).
  • James: “We’re the most generous country on the face of the earth when it comes to that process” ([13:51]).

Notable Quotes

• James Klug: “It's faster than deportation.” ([05:27])
• Phil: “If you're a violent criminal…No one's going to cry if the police officer defends himself.” ([12:22])

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2. Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing—Trans Lover DNA Evidence

[36:28 – 46:15]

Key Points

• Case Update:
  During testimony in Tyler Robinson’s preliminary hearing for the killing at Utah Valley University, it was revealed that DNA evidence from a screwdriver and towel linked Robinson’s transgender lover, Lance Twigs, to the crime scene ([36:28]).

• Analysis & Reactions:

  • The panel reviews portions of the official DNA report and concludes the evidence strongly implicates those involved.
  • James: “His DNA was on the murder weapon's towel from the shooting position. Case closed.” ([37:15])
  • Discussion on whether online encouragement or knowledge of such plans on Discord could make others accessories to the crime ([41:02]).
  • Panel agrees: simply being present in online chats is not criminal, but active encouragement and failing to report can be problematic.

Notable Quotes

• Phil: “If you’ve got Twigs’ DNA on it, who wasn’t at UVU…that’s obviously a strong indication the towel came from their home because they lived together.” ([38:47])

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3. Law, Order, and Vigilantism

[53:32 – 63:09]

Key Points

• Debates on Crime, Policing, and Society’s Response:
  • Lisa supports a “vigilante wave," referencing “Mexican Batman” who humiliates thieves ([54:05]).
  • Carter, Phil, and James push back: “We should actually demand more of our communities and police forces…a lot of vigilantes are not really good at their job.” ([55:04])
  • The group agrees: open acts of public indecency (e.g., naked bike rides in front of children) “should not be tolerated by society.” ([56:37])
  • Brief tangent: Should robots be used for law enforcement? Most panelists reject this sci-fi scenario as a dangerous path ([58:00]).

Notable Quotes

• Phil: “Society should not accept that kind of behavior.” ([56:31])
• James: “The fact that we're that far, that person isn't being locked up for ten years for swinging his d*** in front of kids.” ([56:38])

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4. Censorship and Criminal Justice in the UK

[19:21 – 25:27]

Key Points

• UK Arrests for Speech:

  • Discussion of UK laws under which thousands are arrested for social media posts each year (e.g., 12,000+ annual arrests, with far fewer convictions) ([20:36]).
  • Phil notes the UK’s scale of speech criminalization far exceeds even Russia.
  • Lisa provides anecdotes about anti-radicalization programs and the strong state response to “far right extremism” ([19:54]).

• Comparisons with US:

  • US gun debate: “If you take out a handful of major cities, the U.S. firearm murder rate goes down dramatically, similar to what European countries are.” ([22:57])

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5. Immigration, Education, and Representation

[28:20 – 35:06]

Key Points

• Border Security:

  • Current migration is “net negative”—illegal border crossings are said to be at record lows at this time ([29:14]).
  • Panel argues most Americans do not support mass immigration, but government and big interests are slow to adjust.

• Voter Competence & Civics:

  • Many Americans are uninformed: “...there are way too many people voting; people don't have any idea what they're actually voting for.” ([31:02])
  • Calls for fewer eligible voters, more stringent requirements: “There’s the meme of ‘repeal the 19th’; that doesn’t go nearly far enough.” ([31:51]).

• Education:

  • High rates of illiteracy in major cities like Philadelphia, often blamed on “mass importing of foreigners…whose parents aren’t strong on education” (James, [29:58]).
  • Panel critiques No Child Left Behind and pushing children through without achievement.

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6. U.S.-Iran Military Escalation and Geopolitics

[65:17 – 79:57]

Key Points

• Strikes in Response to Attacks on Shipping:

  • U.S. has launched strikes on Iran after drone attacks on merchant vessels in the Strait of Hormuz ([65:17]).
  • U.S. targeting Iranian military infrastructure, port, and missile facilities.

• Broader Context:

  • American interest goes beyond Israel: “This all fits into a greater picture of confronting China’s Belt and Road initiative, Panama Canal, control of shipping lanes, Cuba, and more” ([68:34], [69:00]).
  • Importance of Greenland, Japan as strategic partners.

• Alliance Debate:

  • Is Israel or Japan “America’s best ally”? Panel largely sides with Japan due to cultural ties, proximity to China, and the relationship deepening after U.S. disaster aid (Fukushima 2011) ([75:26]).
  • Discussion of attempt (via NDAA amendment) to merge U.S. and Israeli military cooperation (Netanyahu support, AIPAC lobbying) ([80:49]).
  • Term limits, competency, and age of U.S. lawmakers briefly compared with longevity of political relationships.

Notable Quotes

• Phil: “Japan is our greatest ally. People say Israel is, but it’s not. Particularly when you think about how close to China Japan is.” ([74:54])
• Lisa: “I’m telling you, we could make the Middle East our friends just like we did with Japan.” ([75:06])

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7. U.S. Government, Voting, and the Problem of Scale

[87:01 – 111:30]

Key Points

• Congress, Term Limits, and Structure:

  • Debate on whether older politicians (e.g., Mitch McConnell) should be forced to retire or whether term limits are viable ([88:01]).
  • Consensus: Term limits can be counterproductive, causing loss of experienced lawmakers and staff, and empowering unelected staff/bureaucrats.

• Civics Deficiency:

  • Many Americans (and even teachers) don’t know or teach basic civics, seen as a root problem ([32:21], [47:01]).

• Direct Republic Proposal:

  • Ian (panelist) floats idea of a “Direct Republic,” where each congressional district’s constituents vote directly on each bill, rather than through representatives ([102:10]).
  • Lisa counters: Average citizen lacks the expertise and IQ (referenced as 100 on average) for nuanced legislative decisions.

• Dictatorship and Hierarchy:

  • Lisa: “That’s why you need somebody like a dictator…[not] one that can pass it down to their sons.” ([106:08])
  • Panel is skeptical of “faith in the masses” yet critical of elite corruption; debate echoes old arguments over republican vs. direct democracy, and centralized strongman rule.

Notable Quotes

• Lisa: “People need hierarchies. When we’re splitting it this way… giving opinions to the masses, it doesn’t work that way.” ([107:14])
• Phil: “If you’re a dictator, you decide whether or not your kid gets it.” ([106:21])

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8. Notable Quick Hits & Quotes

• UK Censorship:
  “The UK throws more people in jail than Russia for Facebook posts.” ([19:21])
• Law Enforcement:
  “Don’t go stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things.” ([10:19])
• Global Policing:
  “If we’re not doing [policing], somebody else is going to take our position of being that bully.” ([17:22])
• Public Sentiment:
  “The normal people…worry about their kids, their family, listen to headlines, and that’s how they form their opinions.” ([08:19])
• Vigilante Trend:
  “I’m okay with this new vigilante wave of things.” ([54:05])
• Term Limits Debate:
  "If you have term limits... nothing will get done. There’s so many things to know structurally—even finding the bathroom in Congress takes six months." ([91:23])

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9. Timestamps for Major Segments

• ICE Shooting & Immigration: [03:11 – 14:54]
• UK Free Speech & Crime: [19:21 – 25:27]
• Voter & Civics Critique: [28:20 – 35:06]
• Robinson Trial DNA Evidence: [36:28 – 46:15]
• Vigilantism & Law: [53:32 – 63:09]
• U.S.-Iran Escalation: [65:17 – 79:57]
• U.S. Alliances (Japan vs. Israel), Geopolitics: [70:47 – 80:49]
• Governance: Term Limits, Direct Democracy, Dictatorship, Voting: [87:01 – 111:30]

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10. Memorable Moments & Humor

• Mexican Batman: Stories of vigilantes duct-taping thieves in Mexico and drawing “rat” on their faces. ([54:05]; “That sounds epic. Let’s make a movie about him.” – James)
• UK Social Work: Lisa’s tale of a child nearly taken by social services for being gifted a hat from Tommy Robinson. ([19:54])
• Robots as Police: “Who’s in control of the robot?” – Lisa ([58:12])
• Shark with Laser Beams: "Why don’t we have sharks with freaking laser beams on their freaking heads yet?" ([115:58]) – classic Timcast IRL sense of humor.

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• Strong anti-illegal immigration/pro-law enforcement sentiments.
• Skepticism toward mainstream media, government transparency, and modern public education.
• Intense debates on the philosophical foundations of government, with some voices advocating for fewer voters, stricter rules, or even strongman rule over democracy.
• Critical of both left- and right-wing establishment failures—from broken cities, to bipartisan corruption, to the inefficacy of large government.
• Emphasis on the “American advantage” in global affairs, especially with Japan as America's true strategic partner in the face of rising China.
• Despite cynicism, panel maintains faith that “normal people” can still shift public sentiment and policy, especially through new media.

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For more, check out the full episode for uncensored rants, amusing banter, and deep dives into geopolitics, American culture, and the mechanics of power.

Transcript

[A]

This morning, a little bit before 7am There was another attempt on an ICE agent's life. An illegal from Mexico tried to ram an ICE agent with his car, and so the ICE agent shot him. We'll get into that and talk about the, the ramifications from that. Tyler Robinson's what's the preliminary hearing was this morning. So there's a bunch of evidence that's being discussed. There's a lot of people that are concerned about what is or isn't going to be allowed into the court. So we're going to get into that. There is a big push. This is kind of money, actually. There's a big push from activists in California to allow black English to be pushed on kids. I remember there was a time when that was called Ebonics. I'm not sure if that's actually acceptable to say, but that was kind of the, the story from there. So we're going to talk about that. And there is still a war going on in the Middle east, in Iran. The US Is striking again. I guess Iran had sent a few drones to three different merchant ships that were traveling through the Strait of Hormuz. And the US has now decided that they've had enough. So strikes are back on. There's massive bombing in multiple places in Iran. So we're going to get into that. But before we get into any of that, I want you to head over to Bunker Branding and pick up some of the Tim Cast IRL merch. You can check out the. What's it, the Ian's Betrayal T shirt, which is my favorite piece of merchandise that Tim Cast has produced. Originally it was on a. A skateboard, which is being going to be delivered in my house soon, I hope. But we've got everybody from the Tim Cast crew. You got Tim, you got Carter, you got me in the back. I think that's, that's, that's Tate, right? Holding the flag. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you, you know Ian, Ian taking, taking some shots from everybody. So head on over to bunkerbranding.com and pick up some of your Tim Cast merch. Head on over to the Rumble page. Become a member there. Join our tim. Go to timcast.com and become a member there and smash the like button. Share the show with everybody. Joining us tonight to talk about all the stories that we mention, James Klug.

[B]

Well, you guys, thank you so much for having me. Appreciate it. First of all, this Ian's betrayal shirt. I'm definitely getting that 100%. I'm James Klug. I run the James Clue YouTube channel. We do political street conversations as well as interviews, commentary, and so much more. I'm really excited to be here.

[A]

Thank you. Lisa is here. Hello, Lisa.

[C]

They made me come. I'm here.

[A]

Oh, stop acting like you don't love being here. I know.

[C]

It's fine. It's fine. It's Vegas. We're in Vegas. We're going to go to dinner. It's going to be a good time.

[A]

Tell everyone who you are.

[C]

Oh, I'm Lisa. I do the booking here. And I'm a resident contrarian, I guess. And you can follow me at Lisa Elizabeth, even though I hardly tweet anymore.

[A]

There you go.

[D]

It's good to have. Oh, thanks for having me, Carter.

[E]

You're welcome. Now I was talking to Lisa, but also you. It's also good to have.

[D]

You also am a contrarian. I'm very disagreeable personality type. So let's get into it.

[A]

I don't buy that one bit. Carter's in the back there.

[E]

Yes. Buried by machinery and screens. But I'm also here. Excited to get into it. Phil. Let's do it.

[A]

I'm sorry for neglecting to say hello yesterday. I totally.

[E]

I remember that.

[D]

I was like, Phil just mogged me.

[A]

I did. I'm sorry. So anyways, we're gonna get right into it. From the post Millennial ICE agent shoots, kills illegal immigrant from Mexico who tried to ram him with his vehicle. You know, I thought that everyone knew that it's a bad idea to try to use your car to. To take out an ICE agent. But clearly this guy wasn't paying attention to the news. Earlier this Millennial says an ICE agent shot and killed a Mexican illegal in Houston Tuesday morning after federal officials say he attempted to flee a vehicle stop and tried to strike the agent with a vehicle. Fox News Digital Digital identified the man as Lorenzo Salgado Aro. The incident there was that.

[C]

Nice effort.

[A]

Thank you. I don't know if I got it right or not, but that was.

[B]

That was authentic solid.

[A]

The incident happened shortly before 7am during a targeted enforcement operation, according to U.S. immigration and Customs Enforcement. I said Rio allegedly ra ICE vehicle ignored multiple verbal commands and attempted to run over an agent. The agency said the agent fired his weapon in self defense. The Hu Hous Houston Fire Department said crews were sent to the scene at 6:51am and found Ario suffering from a gunshot wound. He was taken to Benob Hospital while CPR was underway and later died, according to ICE. The FBI's Houston office is investigating if there was an assault on federal law enforcement officer. While the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General is handling the investigation into the fatal shooting. FBI spokesperson Connor Governor Hagan said it is not a surprise that a law enforcement officer will shoot you if you try to hit him with your car.

[B]

I think we're all like, apparently we're rediscovering this though as a nation. I mean, apparently that's just the thing. And by the way, this is not the first time this has happened. This has happened multiple times with illegal immigrants trying to ram ICE agents or officers with their vehicles when they're getting in trouble. There was one just off the top of my head, there was Portland. It was trend Arago gang members, they were part of a sex trafficking ring and, and the media and Democrats tried to run with it being like, oh look, now they're shooting innocent illegals. And then you dig just one layer deeper and you see what's actually going on there and just blows up in their face. I don't know if they're going to try to do the same thing here, but every single time they try to grab it, they try to turn it into a sob story and it fails miserably.

[C]

I see it as a big W. They keep taking care of themselves.

[D]

I kind of see it as a

[B]

W. It's faster than deportation.

[A]

Correct.

[D]

Like because in a hundred years ago this stuff would happen like quietly and then it would build, build, build, build, build and there. But now we get to see each individual instance of some debt. I don't call him an idiot, but some desperate moron, whoever they are, trying to ram a police. Anybody tries to ram police officer in their car has some problems.

[A]

Are you saying that 100 years ago they were, that people were trying to ramp police off? Yeah, they were like their cars, they

[D]

were getting one offed. People be getting killed. But they wouldn't make their Ford Explorers. Excursions maybe, but, but it wouldn't get reported. So stuff would build like bleeding Kansas went on for 14 years. Now we get to pick it apart day by day and like kind of right the course of the ship as we go. So that does give me a lot of hope.

[A]

It is worth noting that I haven't, I haven't, you know, heard a lot of leftists coming out and making a big stink about this one. Do you think that they've actually decided, you know what, maybe we shouldn't take the, the mantle of defending the illegal. Take it up because this person was likely involved in some kind of illegal activity beyond his, his being Here usually not care.

[B]

They. They try. They try. So they'll do. They'll attempt to do that with anybody, and then it'll just. It depends on how much steam it gets in the mainstream media, like whether or not they actually want to deal with that.

[A]

Right. I mean, the Maryland man was. There's, I imagine they're still running to his defense, you know, the Maryland dad. Yeah, the. The Maryland man who was actually his Maryland dad.

[B]

Maryland father, Maryland man, whatever. But they. I mean, that one. Nobody's learned the lesson.

[E]

If you go.

[B]

If we go out on the street and we go talk to some people, just your average people about ice, tonight, we will run into people that bring up Maryland man. For sure.

[A]

You bring up, you know, going out on the street. Do you have a. A sense as to whether people generally look at ICE as a good thing or a bad thing nowadays? I mean, you're out there all the time talking to people, so. So depending on where you go.

[B]

Yeah, I go to a lot of blue cities, right? So, like, I'm talking to a lot of people. But, like, if. If I go to, like, Huntington beach or, or not even Huntington beach, if I just go somewhere where it's not Philadelphia or D.C. maybe you'll run into a lot of people that actually do support it. But, you know, this is the kind of. This is what the left does when it comes to. If you show your support publicly, we will do everything we can to make your life a living hell. And that still exists today, by the way. And they still run a lot of these institutions. They still control the media, they still control college campuses, they still control, you know, Hollywood and all that stuff. So it is still like, whoa, maybe I don't want to celebrate it, but I'm good with it. In a general sense, though, you will get a lot of people that do. The propaganda does work when they grab that Maryland father story. That stuff works on people because not everyone is talking politics all day long. They're not digging into every single story. They're just hearing a very surface level thing. And usually the people that are spurging about ICE are who, you know, left. So they're getting that narrative majority of the time.

[A]

I describe it as the normal people that are worried about their kids and their family and spend maybe an hour to two hours per week listening to news, and. And they don't go much further than listening to the headlines. And that's kind of how they form their. Their opinions, for sure. Do you want to say something?

[D]

Oh, the dad. What's that guy's name. The guy that kicked the cop the ice vehicle and then they shot.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Wrestled on with a gun. Alex Predding. His face. People will tell me the story of. Look, they. They threw a guy on the ground. He was a teacher, Ian. They shot him on the ground. And I'm like, well, he didn't. He kicked the cop car. And he's like, well, yeah. Didn't he wrestle for a gun while he was on the ground wrestling with cops? Okay, okay. Like, then the reason. The reasoning comes out of the situation, you get past that. You just got to get past the headline. You gotta. When. When people. That's why people aren't insane about this illegal guy tried to kill a cop and they killed him. Like, they're not insane about it because they dig 6cm deep and you see it wasn't like an innocent guy.

[C]

Give it a day or two, they might pick it up and decide to go be crazy with it, though.

[B]

They might. They might. They. I think they tend to stay away from these ones. The situation with Alex Preddy was. It's interesting because he had. He basically was just going out there professionally. He was with. What is it? ICE Watch. They're that like, insurgency group that was going out there assaulting federal officers, by the way, and behaving like absolute lunatics in the street. So if you guys have ever taken like a CCW class or a conciliary class, pretty much the entire thing, pretty much like the. The entire course is just like, don't do what Alex Preddy did. Right.

[E]

That's the first thing. I think I was like, one of the questions was like, when. Where should you not bring a gun?

[B]

It's like, to a protest, like when you're wrestling with federal agents. You know, like, you don't need to be doing that with your gun on you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, they don't even recommend that you go to a bar with your firearm. And I'm pretty sure that's just.

[E]

It's illegal.

[A]

Yeah, some places. Yeah.

[B]

So, you know, they. A lot of it is just avoiding a situation that can get you in trouble.

[D]

Don't.

[A]

Absolute idiot.

[B]

If you're wrestling with. With officers and federal agents with a loaded firearm on your person, don't go

[A]

stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things.

[C]

That.

[A]

That's. It's real simple. And any place that you're. You're gonna go and possibly have a confrontation with. With a law enforcement officer, you definitely don't bring a gun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, the idea that you would. You would go to a protest and be an. As an activist saying, oh, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm going to try to inhibit police officers from doing their job, law enforcement officers from doing their job and doing it armed. That is just asking for trouble is

[B]

asking for a problem in that situation too. He's de. Arresting people, quote, unquote. That's what they call it. First of all, you obviously have no authority to be doing that. What on earth do you think?

[A]

Could you imagine pulling over?

[B]

Let's, let's say there's like a cop that pulled somebody over on the side of the street. Would you get out of your car and go like, interfere with this traffic stop? No, that would be insane.

[A]

Totally insane.

[B]

And so with that situation, he did that, he shoved the officer. It's like, you know, at a certain point, if you do all of these things in a row, you're gonna end up finding out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whether I agree with the outcome or not, it's like you're gonna end up being in a bad situation. And that's what you're supposed to avoid when you have a firearm on your person.

[D]

I think these high profile, Some of those high profile cases like you were just talking about with Preddy and then this guy who attacked the cop, the ice, I mean, they're putting like a bitter taste in the mouths of the leftist activists that are on the side of ICE or on the side of the, the protests against ice, because it's just, it's not as, it's, it's like taking away the veil of like, ice bad, everyone else good. It's showing that there's nuance here and that, you know, you evil people can still do evil to the federal police force and then maybe the federal police force isn't the bad guy in that situation. Even though you disagree with their initial premise still.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For the majority of these targeted, like, fugitive operations where they're actually, they have 10 agents, they're going after an individual. Usually that guy is a bad dude as well. And they're probably stupid as well. That's why they end up in situations where they ram, you know, officers with their. Yeah, they're in the country illegally and they're doing that when they're getting caught.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, to, to Lisa's point earlier, like, it is like, I mean, not that I'm hoping for, for, you know, illegals to be killed, but like, if you're a violent criminal, if you're the kind of person that's like, I'm gonna use my car to Try to, you know, try to. To. To hit a police officer. No one's going to cry if. If the police officer defends himself. Like, I forget what the. The woman's name was. It was very. It was right before the. Pretty.

[E]

Renee. Good. Renee.

[A]

Good.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She was obviously an activist, and she made a really, really, really bad decision, and it ended up with her losing her life because of it. Like, if it. So, I mean, two. In my opinion, that was a sad situation. Like, if this guy is, you know, actually trying to ram a cop and he's here illegally, it's like, well, maybe I'm not that sad about it. Maybe he should have just, you know, allowed himself to be taken into custody. He wasn't trying to be a protester. They were trying to apprehend him. This is a different situation entirely.

[B]

You're not even making the news. If you do something as stupid as that in a foreign country. Oh, yeah, that guy's an idiot.

[A]

Yep, that's it.

[B]

There's no debate around that topic.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

You go to Mexico, you're in Mexico illegally from some other country, you do something like that, screw around with police officers, whatever, and they're trying to remove you from the country. Like, dude, you're not.

[A]

And never mind the fact that most countries, if you're found to be in their country illegally, you go to prison in that country for being there illegally. Like, the US Is incredibly generous because we don't actually imprison you for being here illegally.

[B]

It's the most. The most generous country on the face of the earth. Earth when it comes to that process.

[A]

Yeah, we close. We deport you, unfortunately.

[B]

Unfortunately to our detriment.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like here. Here, it's like they. We're gonna. You know, maybe you'll be able to. Allowed to stay until a hearing or what have you. It should be. You should just be brought to the border and pushed over and be like, get out of here. You know? And then if you're. If you're.

[E]

Not.

[A]

If you're not Canadian or Mexican and we drop you off in Canada or Mexico, then you're Canada or Mexico's problem. Where did you come in? All right, if you came in from the southern border, get out of here. You're. Now you're Mexico's problem. I don't care if you're from Guatemala, maybe. Maybe Mexico put you in jail, maybe Mexico sends you to Guatemala, whatever. You're not in the US Anymore.

[B]

It's so beyond, if you actually think about it, so beyond over the what we do for people that broke into our country, you get what medical treatment, you get education, you get. Oh, yeah. And we're also paying people $2,500 to even leave in the first place.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

With. In a country that they have no permission to be in. It's actually so over the top how generous we are with these people.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So it's wild how. How like kid gloves the US can be sometimes, you know, philosophically or with people. But then how bad Brutally sadistic it can be behind closed doors with, like, drone bombs and stuff. So it's like with a smile on our face, we'll, you know, do some things that I'm not going to Talk about on YouTube to your home country.

[C]

I'm happy that they're doing them. I changed my whole position.

[A]

I would. I would. I would push back on the idea that that drone. The use of drones is sadistic.

[D]

Well, it's more like targeted assassinations. And it's not all sadistic.

[A]

I'm not.

[D]

It's not that even remotely most of it. I'm not saying it is sadistic. Most of it's for money, for political power. It's not like doing it for fun, but they're doing willingness to cause pain.

[C]

To get your point across, how ethical we are even doing those things compared to how it was, I don't know, say, 200 years ago. 300. Think about 300. Think about all of humanity. I mean, we are way less problematic as far as, like, you know, people on the left or pacifists would say,

[B]

you know, an example of this is we had the atomic bomb when nobody else did and we could have ruled the world.

[A]

We have the atomic bomb and yet we still developed the Ginsu Hellfire. Right, The. The. The Hellfire missiles and horses. No, listen, stop. We actually are going around with swords. We have a Hellfire missile that will shoot swords out of the side. So that way it doesn't have collateral damage. Yeah, we do.

[B]

We've used it.

[A]

We use it a bunch of times.

[C]

Oh, good. Let's keep.

[A]

Like, they draw. They literally have a Hellfire missile or. Or that can be shot at a target that has swords that shoot out. So that way it's not an explosive. So we don't have collateral damage. So we don't kill innocent people. We get just the guy that we're targeting. Like, and to James point, we have the nuclear bomb. We could level entire cities, but we've spent.

[C]

We should do that.

[A]

Well, we spent effort and money trying to be able to. To limit how many innocent people die?

[C]

And then they can rebuild, just like,

[A]

you know, like Japan, the golden days.

[B]

They could rebuild.

[C]

Look how wonderful.

[A]

Japan's a special country.

[B]

They can have Buc EE's and all that other. What is it? Is it Bucky's?

[C]

No, we don't have to do anything.

[D]

Waffle House. Waffle House.

[B]

I mean, we could actually spread freedom across the world. Ian. To your point, though, I think what's really interesting about that point is if we're not doing it, somebody else is going to. That's just how human nature works. So who would we prefer to do it other than us do it?

[D]

What do you mean?

[B]

It's what you were talking about when it comes to using. We call it world police if you want to. And I'm not really even making an argument here for like, oh, yes, it's good that we're doing everything that we do, but if we're not doing it, somebody else is going to take our position of being that bully, I guess you could say.

[D]

What would you prefer? Yeah, either you automate it or we have to keep doing it. Either you automate it to, like, robotic AI and just trust that it's a flawless process that's going to oversee humans and let's go to war again. But that's like, why wouldn't ourselves, when

[A]

we're ahead, you know, wouldn't someone still be in. In control of the AI system that you're talking about? So either, even if. Even if it's an AI system or what have you, it. It would be something that the U.S. ostensibly, the U.S. would still control. I mean, by automating it, you're just handing it over to robots as opposed to having human beings do it. And it's perfect. And at that point, you're still got, you know, who's developing the weapons, who's actually writing the code, who's the one that's in control of the AI. So it's not really taking the US out. It's just. It's just changing who's making the. Who's taking the kinetic actions, making it from people to automated systems.

[D]

You. You could, like, the Americans would probably build it, you're right. But it's like if. If you push a boulder down a hill, you're no longer controlling that boulder. So we could set a process in motion with, like, an artificial governance that oversees autonomous weaponry and stuff to protect the human race.

[B]

But once that boulder starts the Matrix,

[A]

man, I kind of. I kind of like the humans in the loop part. I kind of like the fact that

[D]

it's like as long as they're Americans.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. I mean that's clear.

[B]

Actually, like literally. I'm not even joking. That's correct.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

That's 100 is.

[D]

No, we'll fight to the death to make sure that we maintain that power. You know, it's.

[A]

But it's the options that we have, like whether it be Russia or China, the best option we have is that the United States is the one actually making the calls of those. Yeah.

[D]

Of those of the human led organizations, I think the American led economy right now is the least worst one I can find. Because of free speech. Like we shows like this, if the Chinese were running the world police, we wouldn't be able to have this show.

[B]

Oh geez. Even the uk, man.

[A]

Yeah. I mean. Exactly. The UK throws more people in jail than Russia for. For Facebook posts, for posts on the Internet the most. No kidding.

[C]

By a big margin.

[A]

Yeah. That's really freakish. That's true. It is. 112,000 people were put in jail, if

[C]

I understand correctly, over Facebook and Twitter posts, social media posts. And they have these other things over there where it's called prevent. Right. And if say here's an example. Tommy Robinson had a really good friend who was just a security guard.

[A]

Guard.

[C]

Just a security guard. And so he had. The security guard had a son and his son came over and like Tommy is always nice to them. So he gave them both like Stone island hats or something that he happened to have in his car. And the kid went to school the next day and he's like, I got a Stone island hat from like Tommy Robinson or whatever they called prevent and said we're gonna take your child away because you interact with him or you know him or whatever. And he was like put on this like anti radical, like it's anti radicalization program. They. They do that because. And it's for far right extremists. Like that's what they do. And they will take your children away. They will put you in these programs, anything that they can do to re. Educate you. And. And they do it often.

[A]

So there's. There was annual arrests in England and Wales around 12000 arrests every year under laws like section 127 of the Communication act of 2003 or section 1 of the Malicious Communication act of 1980. Then it goes on to kind and say convictions versus arrests. While there are more than 12,000 people annually arrested, the number of individuals formally convicted and sentenced is significantly lower. Because that's better. Right. We'll use the, we'll use. The government will arrest you, scare the crap out of you. Right. Possibly you'll have to defend yourself in court. Spend all the time away from home, spend the time away from work, possibly spend the money to defend yourself. And then you don't go to jail.

[C]

But then you do.

[A]

That's better.

[C]

You do. Actually there's other store cases up where for like the R word, people get less time than people who have had put up offensive. No, no, no, no. Like the, like people who commit like I think.

[A]

Oh, oh, sexual assault.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They get, they have form of it. They get less time. There's like been cases where they get way less time than people for Facebook posts.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they're, because of their, their. A lot of. It's because of the whole.

[B]

You guys remember like in the 2000s when there was this whole, like, maybe it was, maybe it was around like 2015, gun debate was a big thing everyone would always be talking about. I feel like we haven't really been talking about that for a long time. And it was always brought up like, oh, well, they don't need guns over there. They don't need any of this stuff over there. They're totally fine. They have no problems at all. It's like, well, you know, now we're looking at this, these stats, it's 12,000 arrests every single year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's unbelievable.

[C]

There is a graph where it shows it in comparison to other countries and it's, it's staggering when you see.

[B]

I don't even think third world countries are doing that.

[A]

No, no. Well, a lot of the. Part of the reason is because they don't have the infrastructure to do it. They don't have the ability to monitor their population the same way that that the UK does because, I mean, there are more. There are tons of cameras everywhere in the UK and they monitor people's social media posts and stuff. But you mentioned firearms and stuff like that. One of the things that, that people in, in the year in Europe like to say is they're like, oh, you know, you guys have so many murders in the U.S. and if you look at how many people die from heat stroke every year in Europe, there are more people that die from not having AC than there are people murdered with, with firearms.

[B]

Right. I've seen those figures. And it's like, okay, so you guys are bragging, but everybody's dying from heat stroke and you can't say words on Facebook.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean. Yeah. And if you, if you take out A handful of. Of major cities. The U.S. firearm murder rate goes down to dramatically similar to what. What European countries are?

[C]

Lower, way lower. Like extremely low.

[B]

In our suburbs, it's virtually non existent. The homicide rates.

[D]

So in Britain, all this censorship and arrests, is this because the emperor is trying to just maintain control of all this people?

[A]

The Emperor.

[C]

We need more effort, we don't need less.

[A]

Phil, been talking about, is there an

[D]

American empire where like, I think it's semantic, like there's no emperor. Charles technically is the king. He's got a lot of kingdoms. He's got the king of Australia, the king of Canada.

[A]

These are laws passed by their parliament.

[D]

Ian, usually back in the day when a guy had multiple kingdoms, he'd establish an empire to own all the kingdoms. So if he died, all those kingdoms would.

[C]

He's neutered.

[D]

Owned by the empire.

[C]

Yeah, true, but he's neutered. I mean, parliament has all. He's just a figurehead. I mean, he doesn't have any say over anything.

[B]

A real king. They probably have air conditioning.

[D]

He could appoint a governor General that can disband parliament.

[C]

They should do that.

[A]

If the royals actually had any power, how did Meghan Markle cut off Harry's, you know, Harry, or is it the other one?

[C]

Harry? The reason that that really happened and that he let it happen is because he knows that Charles isn't his real father. Anyway, it's that hot polo player guy, you know, and like, so what's he really care?

[D]

Oh, Harry, you ever see him next

[C]

to that hot, that polo player dad?

[D]

Makes sense.

[C]

Bidding image, really uncanny resemblance.

[D]

It's disturbing. I want to joke about, I mean, whatever you think about empire, that it's like our neighboring England is like our neighbor, good guy, speaks English with us, and they're the like right there across the ocean, you know, across the pond. Right across the pond. And. But they like these extreme censorship technologies being implemented in their country right there with the people that are like about as American as you can get without being American. It's like Canadians and then Englishmen. Like, other than that, you know, you speak English, right? Australians.

[B]

Yeah. The patriots in those countries are as patriotic as it can get, to be honest.

[C]

But there aren't a ton of them. A lot of there.

[B]

There's not what, 30, but I mean, they are at. Yeah, thankfully. What is, what is it? Is it not Restore Britain? It is restoring Restore Britain.

[A]

There's reform and Restore. Restores the.

[B]

Restores the good one.

[A]

The good one.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, there you go. But those people are as as patriotic as it can get. And really what Americans should be doing is wishing the. And hoping and praying for the very best for those people. Unfortunately, I think a lot of them would even agree. It's looking like it's a little bit

[D]

too late, this move towards globalization. I think it's been going on since the night I just did Brian Shapiro. I was pushing the limits today. I hosted for Brian Shapiro.

[B]

Check it out.

[D]

We were talking about the New World Order, basically, that George Bush Sr. Was talking about, and that they're just bringing foreign nationals into all these countries to create a global village and just disrupt American power, disrupt the dollar disruption, get rid of our constitutional free speech and that the ball's in motion. It's been rolling and now that people are trying to step up and stop it when they realize what's happening, like 17 years too late. But also maybe they're doing the right thing by stopping it. And maybe nationalism is kind of good.

[C]

It is good.

[D]

It is, because you're either gonna have corporatocracy or nationalism or some interbreed of the two. And the nice thing about the nation is we have a say in what it does through our Democrat. At least in our nation, we do. But with corporations, it's just the owners that decide.

[C]

We really don't have a say. It's all manufactured and we don't have a say. Like, your vote doesn't really mean anything.

[A]

That's why there should be fewer people voting.

[C]

So that's 100%, repeal 17th, the 14th, a bunch of other ones.

[D]

I think you might be right that voting's not as potent as it seems. But we have the ability to, like, whip up a video show and talk to 100 million people and change their minds and tell them to push a button and they'll go do it kind of.

[C]

I mean, like, you can change, like, sentiment and you can affect that, I guess. But, like, you don't have the big money that Pfizer has. You don't have the, the big dollars that the gun lobby has or that any, any other lobby has. I mean, the reason that our doctors treat us the way they do is because. Because like, even, even what doctors think is influenced by, like, Big Pharma. They write the textbooks, right? They influence the laws. I mean, nothing. Like we. We don't even have food that's healthy. They. The farmers and their, you know, there's

[A]

a lot of choice in that. Like, if you're, if you there, there. Absolutely.

[C]

I work there.

[A]

Look. Well, I mean, you're talking no I'm talking about there's a lot of choice when it comes to like the food that you eat. Like you don't have to go to the.

[C]

It's not even true. And I'll tell you why it's not true. If I go home right now and go get potting soil from the store, decide I'm going to grow my own all organic food, is there chemicals in that soil that will, that will get seep up through my own food? Yeah, you can't even grow your own food.

[A]

Yeah, but you live in, you live in a city.

[C]

Even if I didn't.

[A]

If you don't live in a city, you can do.

[C]

You can absolutely not to like eat snow anymore. Even if you're in like Appalachia where there's like nothing going on because of the chemicals and things like that that are in the atmosphere and that seep in and that will. They don't want. You used to be able to eat snow. We used to make snow.

[A]

Whatever.

[C]

You can't do that anymore.

[A]

It was always dirt. In fact, the air is actually cleaner now than it was 30 years ago. 30 or 40 years ago. Like the, the, the really with all

[C]

the airplanes flying back and forth and letting their emissions out.

[A]

Absolutely cleaner now. Absolutely cleaner now.

[C]

And it was 100 years ago, not

[A]

130 or 40 years ago, like in the 80s, 70s.

[C]

I'm just saying, I'm just saying we don't have control of everything. It's all an illusion.

[B]

I think that's totally not true. I mean like the last 10 years with even the introduction of MAGA, that's been a complete, you're changing public sentiment that's been trans. That's been transforming the direction of the country.

[C]

Yeah, because it's a groundswell of public sentiment. Fine. But you're like individually we don't. And there's people with money that are backing a lot of that. Right. And so individually, you know, to sit here around the table and say we have a say. We don't really have a say. I mean, yes, we get to sit here and talk or whatever, but we, you as an individual, on a non collective basis do not have a say.

[B]

I'll tell you what, you have a lot more say when you're not mass importing foreigners from the third world. Yes. I mean way more say, why are we doing that?

[C]

Most of the country doesn't even want that. And yet we're still doing it. They're still pouring in.

[A]

Well, no, no, they're not pouring in right now.

[C]

I Mean, they're still trying.

[A]

They're. Well, they're people overstaying.

[B]

They're actually not even really trying. There's basically nobody at the southern border right now.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And we had net negative migration last year.

[C]

How many years did we have it when people were obviously saying they didn't want it, and even the Democratic Party knew that they didn't want it.

[B]

Their base didn't want anything fixing it. We can't start finally fixing it and then complaining that nothing can get done. We just started.

[C]

I'm not saying we got to do

[B]

a little bit more of a white pill than blackpilling. Right.

[C]

I'm not saying nothing can get done. I'm saying you as an individual, to sit here and act like. Like you have some say in your democratic process is BS People actually probably do.

[B]

Like, the tweaker down the street should not be able to vote to raise my taxes.

[C]

52%. I say this all the time. 52% of Philadelphians are illiterate. Functionally illiterate by all metrics.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's reported. And those people get to vote.

[B]

You want to hear why they shouldn't be lied about? I disagree with this data just a little bit, because a lot of who's included in that, and I. I hate to harp on this again, is foreigners. So you end up with like, oh, wow, why is California so behind? Well, there's. It's not because, like, all the t. All the teachers are bad. It's not because all the schools are bad, although you see a lot of the bad stuff. I get it. I understand. But a lot of it is because you have a lot of immigrants that have come in over the last 40 years, and their parents aren't really strong on education, and you have kids that are in the classroom that don't really speak English, so you're going to end up with that data regardless.

[A]

And the no child. No Child Left behind stuff was terrible. All they do is they push kids through that haven't actually achieved anything.

[B]

So that data is a little bit misleading, though.

[C]

Lisa, have you walked around, Phil, You've talked to these people. You know they can't read.

[B]

I have. And Philly might be a little bit more of a unique issue with Philly. Okay, I get that. But people say that people drop those facts and figures for California all the time. And a lot of that is weighed down by how many people are in the state that barely even speak English.

[C]

We don't have that many like you do. And I'm telling you, these people are

[B]

Voting Philly might be a little bit different.

[A]

Ok, but to your point, like the, the, like I'm, you know, I've definitely made it clear that I think that, that you know, there are way too many people voting. People that don't have any idea what they're actually voting for. They listen to a politician say, I'm going to give you these things, I'm going to give you these programs. There's going to be all this stuff that we're going to do for you. And people are voting in the hopes that they basically can get handouts from the government. Whether they be handouts in, in some kind like child care or exactly what predicted. Yeah, it is, it is. And that is something that is in the long term has hurt the country and it's only going to continue to hurt the country. Right. So there should be, in my opinion there should be significantly fewer people voting. I don't think that like, you know, there's the meme of though, you know, repeal the 19th that doesn't go nearly far enough. Way fewer than just women. Not voting like that's women would be

[C]

a good start though.

[B]

Including.

[A]

Well, I mean look, I, I don't care if, if it's all women and, and 50 of men or whatever, but the, the people that are voting, you should have some kind of basic, you should at least have a basic understanding system works. Most people aren't taught. We don't even have a civics class in schools where people are taught the difference between the House and the Senate. There's so many people that are making the argument on, on the Internet what

[C]

he should go around and ask people if they knew who their congressman is. I bet you, I bet you none of them do.

[A]

Ask them what the Senate does. You know what, what's the purpose of the Senate? People talk about having the, the, the. I see people on the Internet say this kind of stuff. It's so wrong that Montana, it only has 250, 000 or whatever the population is, has two senators and California has two senators. It's like you don't understand why. It's just, you're just looking at the population and you're like, oh, it should be equal. It's like that's what the House of Representatives is for. If you look at how many representatives from California versus how many representatives from Montana, it's a significant difference. They don't understand anything about our system. They have no understanding about how anything works works. And then they, they, you elect a president and they're like well, the president should just do this and the president should do that. The president doesn't have any powers to do the things that they're asking for. They're like, oh, you know, Joe Biden, he's gonna, he's gonna forgive Student Loan. The president doesn't have the power. I think there was never a point where the president could say, I'm gonna go ahead and forgive you of a debt that you yourself decided that you wanted to take on. But people still vote for politicians that make these promises. We shouldn't, we should have far fewer people voting because people don't know how our government works. You want to vot elections, okay. You want to vote in your local elections. That's where you really get the most bang for your vote. Right. You, you vote for your local, you know, your mayor, your local selectman, whatever, alderman, whatever it's called in your area, you'll actually be able to, to affect policy in your area. But when it comes to the federal government, it should be a significantly few, like a lot fewer.

[C]

And how did that work for Spencer Pratt?

[A]

What?

[C]

How'd that work for Spencer Pratt?

[B]

Oh, I think they're still counting running. We'll see.

[A]

Yeah, there's still counting votes. California is a special case, but it's still, it's still the fact, you know, California is a special case.

[C]

They're all, all Democrat cities are a special case.

[B]

Right, yeah, of course.

[A]

I don't, I don't know.

[D]

I'm not sure.

[A]

I don't know. But look, I understand, I understand. Look, your point is well taken because I know that California, California has been run by a single party for so long, they've been able to create a system where they can kind of push people out that they don't like. That's fair.

[C]

What, us two, 1950 us Philly.

[A]

Well, okay, so fair. Fine, fair enough.

[C]

Democrat run cities.

[A]

But the point that I'm making is if you're not in a Democrat run city and you're, you're, you can even still, you're going to have way more impact on your local election than you're going to be able to have on a federal election.

[C]

Yeah, true.

[B]

I think before any of that stuff, though, I mean, realistically, you have had over the last 40, 50 years, mass importing people from countries. Absolutely. That aren't really assimilating to American culture. And they're coming here, and they're coming here for the benefits. And that's very clear. You see this in Europe, where they'll skip through entire countries and go directly to the countries with the most benefits. And so you already have people coming into the country that are going there for the purpose of getting those handouts. What are they going to vote for more of?

[A]

Yeah, they're going to vote for more of the. More.

[B]

They're certainly not going to vote for protecting. You know, it's happening America. They're going to go for voting for more of what they wanted when they originally got here.

[C]

Mandalami just. It just said that they. Everybody wants rent control role. We know how bad that is.

[B]

Another example, though, like, native New Yorkers are not the people that were totally 100 Mamdani. That wasn't the case.

[A]

Well, it was the. It was the. The wealthy white people that were really voting.

[B]

It was a lot of that. And then it was a lot of. Yeah, it was a lot of those

[A]

people that were not born in New York at all. Yeah, you know, people that moved there, immigrated there. All right, we're gonna jump to this story here. This should be great. From the post millennial breaking Tyler Robinson's trans lovers Lance Twigs DNA found on screwdriver and a towel at u. Charlie Kirk's killing. This is going to be gross. Ladies and gentlemen. During testimony on day two of Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing, it was revealed that DNA evidence recovered from a screwdriver and towel retrieved from Utah Valley University in the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing belonged to Lance Twigs, Robinson's transgender lover. Jenna Farmina, a sergeant at the Utah Department of Public Safety who has worked in the state bureau of investigation at the time of the shooting, read out portions of a DNA report. Do we want to. This answer is yes.

[B]

Sergeant Falmoulina, do you see the lines there that say item seven? That line?

[E]

Yes.

[B]

And will you read that portion of the report that describes what item seven is? Item seven tell from around Mauser rifle serial number 8863. Serial number 8863. And there's also some other identification number numbers. Is that the towel that you found with the rifle that day?

[C]

Yes, it is.

[B]

On September 10th?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Item eight. Will you read what that says? Is a Description of item 8.

[D]

Item 8, screwdriver from perch.

[B]

And is that the screwdriver that you described that was collected from the rooftop?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

All right.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Yeah, we can go into that. His DNA was on the murder weapons tower from the title she shooting position. Case closed. Like what are we did people want to know if there's more to it than just this guy. And I'm not saying someone claiming that his DNA was on the weapons towel and a screwdriver at the shooting spot is enough to damn him to guilt. But what is the.

[A]

Well, it's strong. Well, it's not rip the top, remember. It's not. It's. It's that the. The lover. Their DNA was on it.

[D]

Was it both.

[C]

More of one. It was like 75% like the. The. The guy and then it was. Am I not allowed to say that?

[A]

No, you're not allowed to say that at all.

[E]

Sorry, guys, what you meant was transsexual person.

[C]

I'm sorry, I didn't know.

[D]

Get it right.

[C]

I always get in trouble for that.

[A]

Yeah, you did know you actually.

[C]

No, I. I did then I didn't remember. Okay. So anyway, the.

[D]

Whatever twigs is, buddy, I'm always going

[C]

to get in trouble. Yeah, twigs. Okay.

[B]

How much we can talk about in the US shows.

[C]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But anyway, there was more.75 hit and 5% the other ones. Now, they did live together, right?

[D]

Probably shared a towel. Probably a bathroom towel hanging on the stall.

[C]

No, they didn't say what kind of DNA it was. Phil, don't.

[A]

Don't say anything like that. I don't know why you're putting words

[C]

in my mouth, because I. Because that's what I thought you were.

[A]

It's DNA. Is there. Is there different types of DNA?

[C]

Oh, yeah. You can. Yeah, you can definitely tell what type of DNA it's from and where it's from. Like you could tell if it's saliva or if it's.

[D]

Or if it's the towel under the bed.

[C]

Other stuff. Yeah, right. Like. Or skin cells or whatever. Yeah, yeah, you can absolutely tell.

[A]

But even still, the point is like you. If you've got twigs DNA on it, it is. Who wasn't at the site, who wasn't. You know, it wasn't at uvu. It's obviously strong indication that this towel came from their home because they were living together. Right. Even though it had some of Tyler's DNA. But it was. Was the other person's DNA that was. Was the predominant situation.

[D]

I haven't really read up on this, but it's Twigs. The roommate.

[A]

That's the trans.

[D]

Is he in custody right now?

[A]

No, he's in witness protection. Yeah, Witness protection.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

They.

[C]

That person, miraculously, he's gone and not.

[E]

I think he was in witness protection, but I don't know if he's still.

[D]

He's like the star witness for the prosecution. Is he prosecute?

[A]

Is he.

[E]

I think he has Immunity, but I'd have to double check that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, so takeaway here. Took his take now.

[A]

Well, I mean, look, it, it connects, it connects, you know, Tyler to the, to the murder weapon.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And. Well, I mean. Yeah, why not? I don't. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with them considering him an accessory. Considering all the, the text messages and, and back and forth and posts and stuff that you've.

[B]

I. I have a feeling we'll probably end up seeing more coming out about that.

[D]

About.

[B]

We'll probably be seeing a lot more coming out.

[A]

There was a lot of Twitter posts talking about the day, like the, the day before the actual shooting happened. There were people that were saying, oh, there's going. Happening at UVU today, tomorrow. Yeah, multiple Twitter posts. Now I, I don't know if they're. If they got to that today or if they talked about that today, but that's something that, that's worth that, like, people should know. It's like there were multiple people from that discord that were talking about it. There were multiple people that were alluding to something happening at UVU on, on the, the day in question.

[B]

I would be shocked if he was able to successfully keep that plan to himself leading up to that.

[A]

I don't think he tried. Yeah, I think, I think that he was talking about it in, you know, if I understand correctly. Now I. Obviously I'm not in the courtroom. I don't have access to all the, the evidence that the FBI has, but like, yeah, I don't think that, that he was trying to keep it quiet. It seems like he, he was talking about it with people that were in that discord and, and people knew that there was the possibility of something going.

[C]

Very easy for people to look at discord and see who's doing something and then encourage and help people to get their things done.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Because if someone was like, yeah, do it. Does that make them an accessory to murder? Yes, because if someone comes online and they're like, I'm thinking about doing horrible crime. And I'm like, haha, yeah, just unlike World of Warcraft in general chat. Am I now in it? And then he goes and does some horrible. Am I like an accessory to that? Even though it was some Internet chat?

[B]

Well, if you egg them on more than probably. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[C]

Yeah. If you don't tell on them and stuff. Absolutely.

[D]

Because like, if someone comes on and they're like, I'm gonna go fill out the blank illegal, I'm like, wonder I don't have to report this guy to the FBI. I don't want anything to do with that. I don't even know if he's. If that's a bot. I don't know if it's a real person. I know.

[E]

Don't.

[D]

I don't, like, I don't have a duty to report someone's telling me they're gonna be a crime.

[A]

If you're the kind of person that's like, whoa, I don't want to know anything about this, you probably shouldn't tell them.

[C]

Oh, you definitely need to. You should.

[D]

Don't comply. Oh, there's just so much Internet garbage of people saying they're gonna do stuff. We're like, just don't get involved.

[C]

So if I came to you and I said, ian, I'm about to do xyz and you don't say anything, you can definitely be in trouble for them.

[D]

But if it's like in a chat room with like a 10,000 people, you don't know, and one of the chatters says a thing and it like flies by in the chat room, you're like, you're not.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[C]

I mean, but they did that. Like, so they're. There was this case on Reddit where this guy, he wound up trying to be a serial killer killing homeless people. And he said, hey, you know, my. On Reddit, my cop buddy, whatever, said that, you know, they're investigating the serial killer out there, but everybody's like, no, you're crazy. Nobody is talking about a serial killer. Nobody's investigating that. The police aren't investigating it. Somebody sent that to the police, they saw it, and then he started offing people. And that because somebody turned that in, they knew exactly where to go and who to arrest. So, like, yeah, you should turn those in. And, and I. Ian's example was more

[B]

of like a live stream chat where there's like 10,000 comments every one second.

[C]

These Reddit feeds are.

[D]

It is. It's a level of scale a little bit more.

[A]

They should probably go to jail just because they're Redditors.

[C]

Yeah, true.

[D]

If it's someone I know that comes up to me and tells me in confidence they're going to go commit a horrible murder, I have a kind of a moral duty to turn them in or do something.

[C]

You don't have a moral duty. If it's like, I get what you're

[D]

saying, that doesn't scale. It's to the point where if I don't know who the person is and a guy comes up to me on the street and goes, I'm going to go commit a, commit a crime, go rob a thing. And I, I'm like, I don't, I'm not involved in this guy's crazy world. I'm, I'm going to the shortest of milk.

[C]

If you're trying to kid, to kidnap my kids online, I definitely call the FBI.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if you're just on the Internet in a chat room or something like that, you're not an accessory. If someone says some put something crazy in the chat and you don't go to the FBI, you're not going to be considered an accessory.

[D]

And literally, if a guy walks up to me and he's like, I'm going to go rob that bank and I go, I'll see you later, buddy. I'm not accessorizing him by not turning him in.

[A]

You're not, you're not.

[D]

That's because he hasn't committed the crime yet. If I witness him commit the crime.

[A]

Yeah, we're talking about some event that

[C]

he's with at a private.

[B]

Far away from it.

[A]

But this is, this is totally different

[B]

focused discussion.

[A]

Yeah, you're talking about a totally different situation.

[D]

Extrapolating, like proximity to guilt. Like, just because you were with someone that was saying they were going to commit a crime and you didn't tell them not to, doesn't mean that you're guilty. So hey, I'm encouraging you. If you were in chat rooms with that guy, turn him in, you're not going to get busted for it. Show the chat logs. And secondly, anything that you guys tried to delete is still going to be available for the FBI. They can undelete. They, they have hash codes and things for all what you think is gone. All that data of secret conversations on Discord is all available to the FBI, so there's no hiding it. So come out ahead of it and expose this dude and his cabal. If there were groups of them working together, you know, call him out. Best advice to you, Quick fact check

[E]

on something I said earlier. Lance Twigs. There's no evidence that he is in witness protection program right now, but he does have limited use. Well, that's a good point, Phil. Possibly. But also he does have limited use immunity the from federal and Utah county authorities.

[D]

I bet he thought he was going to get thrown in jail and he just was like, I'll do anything. I'll tell you anything you want to know.

[A]

Look, man, they've got, they literally have his DNA on the towel that was wrapped up. That's. That the kind of thing where you're like, all right, I'm going to make a deal. You know, that like, if your DNA is on something that is, is. Is wrapping up the, the murder weapon, you. You're. They definitely have you in a position where you're like, I need to protect myself.

[D]

This.

[A]

I.

[D]

It feels like an open and shut case, and I think it should be. Like, I feel like the. About it and make a big deal out of it. Maybe not. Maybe it's okay to talk about it once in a while.

[C]

You think this is why I didn't want to do this. I changed my mind. I know nothing. I said I disagree, but.

[A]

Well, the actual, the actual murder case is, or the, the evidence of who committed the murder and the circumstances surrounding the actual murder, like, it's, it does have all of the fingers pointing at one guy. Right? Like, I mean, it does look like Tyler was the guy.

[C]

And I definitely think Tyler was involved 100%.

[A]

So, I mean, it looks like he was the guy that actually did the. Took the shot. You know, it looks like he was talking to people in the discord about it. So, I mean, anything, Anything beyond that, like, I mean, people can pontificate, but that's not something that necessarily is going to put people in. Into a. A legally actionable position.

[B]

A lot of people are aware of those weird posts that were coming out the day before of them being like, oh, well, there's something big happening tomorrow. I mean, there were at least several of those posts made outside of this trial. There needs to be a serious look at discord or whatever groups were in the area that could have had anything to do with this as well, because people aren't going to stop asking questions about that. I, I don't think we should.

[D]

I. I think it's fair. Like the Kennedy assassination. I'm talking about John F. Kennedy with Lee Harvey Oswald getting pinned. Everything was pinned on Harvey Oswald. His gun was in the building on a different floor from him when they caught him. He was eating a sandwich, just chilling out as they were arresting. He's like, I'm a patsy, you guys. There were apparently multiple gunshots at Kennedy from different angles. Like, still hasn't been exp.

[A]

Allegedly. Not apparently.

[D]

Allegedly. Allegedly multiple gunshots, but officially one. Is that what it is?

[A]

They hit him in multiple. There was multiple shots, so allegedly multiple angles. It was, it was. No, not multiple angles. Allegedly. It was Lee Harvey Oswald and he took more than one shot. That's the official story.

[C]

So my daughter's, like, was learning about this in School this year and. Or last year. I can't remember this year. Last year, anyway. And she said, well, she questioned Lee Harvey Oswald to her teacher, and the teacher says he admitted it. Like, that's how far along, like, the official narratives are. They're saying that Lee Harvey Oswald admitted it when. He never admitted it. Like, never, never, never. If anything, he claimed he was a patsy. And there's all this other evidence about all the coverage.

[B]

Could you imagine one of your teachers just going over that, like, in detail with your kid, though?

[C]

But no, I'm.

[B]

So today we're gonna learn about patsies,

[C]

but why Are they gonna be like, oh, no, no, he's definitely.

[B]

Who killed him.

[C]

He admitted it. And like, the people don't know. Like, people don't even still, to this day don't know that. Like, there's any legitimacy or conspiracy even surrounding that, which I think is crazy.

[A]

You don't think people know?

[C]

I mean, the teacher apparently didn't. She had no idea.

[A]

Well, she might not have wanted to talk about it, but, I mean, you know, didn't always lie.

[C]

Then do you think you're going to lie to the kids and say he admitted it?

[A]

I think a teacher would definitely lie to kids. A lot of people, I think a

[C]

lot of people don't know.

[E]

I think.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

My mom had no idea what MK Ultra was.

[A]

The JFK movie that what's his name, Oliver Stone made. Like, that was all about the conspiracy, wasn't it?

[D]

It popularized it.

[A]

That was a big movie, too. I mean, maybe. I'm sure that there are some people that don't know, but I would err on to dishonesty from the teacher, then ignorance.

[C]

Yeah. I'm telling you. But a lot of these teachers, they can't even. Not in my school. My school's an exception. But, like, you see these schools and these teachers can't even spell words.

[B]

Well, there was that viral video from Philly, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Student going up to the faculty. Faculty. Not even faculty. No, teachers. And the principal, I believe.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He's asking them to, what, Spell out some. You know, they were decently.

[C]

They weren't hard.

[B]

No.

[C]

Millennial was one of them.

[B]

There you go.

[C]

Okay, so, like, what I'm saying.

[A]

No, I think home, school, your kids, guys.

[C]

I think that you're around people that talk about these things all the time and. And know this, but most.

[A]

It's exhausting.

[C]

It is exhausting. But most people don't.

[A]

They have. Like.

[D]

Like my parents, for instance, didn't. They don't Know, they just know that there was something fishy about the Kennedy assassination for sure. Their whole lives they've been like, yo, bro, who knows what? But I think that that's residual about what's going on with the Charlie's assassination is people are like, there's a cover up. There's got to be something going on.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, look, man, the COVID broke people. It really broke people. The fact that the government was lying. So you know so much about what happened with COVID and, and what, what was going on and with the availability of information now, like people didn't know that. You know, when people found out that Fauci had something to do with the, the way that HIV was, the laws that were being made or the narrative that was being, being spread about HIV and then finding out that he has something to do with COVID too, they're just like, all right, I don't believe anything. All the lies the government was making about, about, about COVID really, really broke people's brains. And when I say broke people's brains, what I mean is it made people, you know, it made them incredibly skeptical of the official narrative and for good reason. Right? Like the, the government has definitely lied about a ton of stuff, whether it be like, you know, CIA operations that are not supposed to be happening in the US but absolutely were selling drugs in the US to fund, you know, to fund freedom, freedom fighters in the, in South America and stuff.

[E]

Right.

[A]

The government has done really terrible things. So it's, it's totally valid and completely justified to be very skeptical of the government. But that doesn't, just because you're skeptical of the government doesn't mean everything that the, is the official narrative is always wrong. It's usually not that it's 100 wrong. It's usually what they call a limited hangout. Right? So like when Nixon was, was being investigated for, for Watergate, they broug brought this, this stuff to him and they said, look, we think that you should, you should tell a little bit of the truth. And he's like, what? So Nixon replied by saying what, we should just let it all hang out? And they're, and the, the, the advisors replied, well, what we're thinking of is a limited hangout. You tell a little bit of the truth, but we hide this stuff. And that's kind of the MO of the government. Now they'll tell you, they will tell you true things, but they don't tell you the whole story. And then when people hear that they're, that there were things that they hid kid. Then the, the reaction is, well, it's all a lie. And that's not how things work generally, because the more confused people are, the more bits of truth and bits of, of deception that people ingest, the more confused they are about the actual reality. And they tend to stop believing anything and they'll, they'll pick up on, you know, whatever their preferred narrative is and whatever their emotional reaction is, and they're like, this is what I believe. Right. And so then it doesn't matter whether the, what they believe is true or whether they have a lot of evidence for.

[B]

For it.

[A]

They're not going to believe the official story because that's the government, and the government always lies, because the government does lie enough to make people justified in that opinion. So they just decide, well, this is what I think. And so this is the narrative that I'm gonna, I'm gonna stick to.

[B]

I think it's also super important to keep in mind that Blue and On will grab onto every single, any, any potential chaotic event or chaotic event, and they will push their narrative as hard as they can as well in that area. For example, every single assassination attempt that I've ever talked to people, folks on the left about on the street, they have brought up that, oh, it was a loving Trump supporter that tried to kill him. Oh, they'll bring up everything. I heard one, I heard one person mention for the Butler situation, for the Butler assassination attempt, that, no, Trump actually, they squeezed like ketchup on him when he was on the ground. So, you know, they have every incentive to, to get the heat away from them as well.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So just keep that in mind whenever we're seeing.

[A]

That's why I said these crazy things happen. That's why I said, like, people will decide that this is the narrative that I like, and that's the one that they stick to. Like, the people that are, that are, you know, that don't like Trump, they still believe that the whole Butler situation, that the attempt was a lie, it was all fake. You know, like you said, whether it be ketchup or blood, Pack never tried

[B]

to do this to Donald Trump. What do you, you know, that's, that's the narrative, I guess, and nobody should be buying that, at least for that one specifically, you know.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, and it doesn't matter how many attempts that, that there have been on Donald Trump, and never mind the fact that, you know, all indications are that it was a leftist that killed Charlie Kirk. Again, this is, this is still to be found. If it is Actually true, but that's what it seems to be the case. And the left will do anything they can to point the. The, you know, point the finger at the right and be like, no, no, no, his family were Trump supporters or

[B]

they have everything to gain by pushing that away from. And their behavior over the last 10 years has been horrifying. It is constantly horrifying and escalating and escalating. Yeah.

[D]

Rhetorical violence bothers me because I don't like it. I don't even like saying we gotta fight for our rights. Like, oh, you start using the word fight, you unleash that beast. Dude. That beast has a mind of its own. Because one words. What I mean by that might not be what that guy with the knife means when he says we're gonna fight for our rights. You gotta be real careful about inciting.

[B]

It's like a generic campaign slogan now.

[C]

Vigilante justice. You see the guy with naked bikers?

[A]

I wouldn't. Hell. What happened?

[C]

He was shooting them with a BB gun.

[D]

Oh yeah. He got arrested, right?

[C]

No problem. Did you hear about Mexican Batman?

[B]

No, no, tell us about it.

[C]

Mexican Batman's cool. He's got in Mexico. He's in Mexico and there's these thieves and he's sick of them. And so he goes around on his motorcycle and gets these motorcycle thieves and he duct tapes them to poles and he draws like whiskers on their face and writes rat on their head. And he's been going around and of course they're looking for him and not the thief thieves. But yeah, like, no, I'm okay with this new vigilante wave of things.

[D]

How come the superheroes get villainized like Spider Man? How come the cops are like.

[C]

I mean, they like Superman. Like we like him, but like the government doesn't.

[A]

If you're talking about comic books, it's because of they, you know, you have to have drama in the comic book because it's a story and they want. It's not real. It's pretend.

[D]

They're like, yeah, it's weird when like they, they made Spider Man's like the bad guy, but he like, he has to do it anyway, you know, Even though he knows what he's doing and is. Is making him look worse. I'm not with you, Lisa. I don't like vigilante.

[C]

I'm turning a tide. You know, I used to not like it, but now I do.

[B]

The. The Mexican Batman sounds totally epic. I know nothing about that, but that sounds excellent. Let's make a movie about him. But that aside, I think you don't

[C]

like the naked biker thing either with the BB on.

[B]

I don't like that because we're not in like a third world country. We should actually demand a little bit more of our communities and our police forces and all that stuff instead of saying some idiot can go and out. Out there. And by the way, a lot of vigilantes, they're not really good at their job. They think they're better than they are.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

So we should actually demand a little bit more of our communities, of our policing, of our culture.

[C]

If they're going to be scared to ride their bikes naked in front of children because people might get them, that is a good thing.

[B]

But in a general sense, I think in a general sense. And it ends up being a little bit more disappointing than that story right there.

[A]

Okay, so to your point, James, I do think that we should demand more out of law enforcement. Look, you should enforce the laws that are on the books, but at the same time, time, it's not just law.

[B]

Sorry, that's actually totally m. Like, I didn't mean them specifically. I mean more of just our leadership.

[A]

Yeah, fair enough. But, but to Lisa's point, like, look, if you're the kind of dude that's walking around, like, if you've got a family and you're walking around with, with your kids and some dude rolls by naked and is like swinging his junk, I am fully, like, fully endorse you popping that dude.

[B]

No, no, no, no. Yeah, it is.

[E]

But just to be clear, we're not calling for any of this.

[A]

No, we not. We're not. We're not calling for it. But, but at the same time, it's

[C]

like, look, I'm saying I don't mind.

[D]

Swings in your kid's face, he's assaulting your child. You have to defend the child.

[C]

The point.

[D]

But the point is just swinging it and it's in their face.

[A]

But the point is we as a society should not accept that kind of behavior.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Right? So that's the point.

[B]

The fact that, the fact that we're that far to where that person isn't being absolutely locked up, thrown in jail for 10 years for swinging his.

[A]

I mean, there was.

[B]

In front of, in front of kids.

[A]

You should be gone.

[B]

You should be off the streets. Just. You should have no place inside.

[A]

I saw. Yeah, there was. There was a video from Spain where there was a. There was a guy that was just on the beach just masturbating in front of. In front of Kids and stuff.

[B]

England or something.

[C]

It was Spain, I think.

[A]

I think it was Spain. And it took a minute, but the,

[D]

you know, west coast or east coast,

[C]

I don't know, but it was Mediterranean.

[A]

But the point, like, he was clearly. It wasn't. Like, he wasn't hiding behind a towel or anything. He was.

[C]

Look at it.

[E]

And he should be removed from polite society.

[A]

Like, and, you know, the people actually did something at first, and they grabbed. Yeah, at first they didn't, but they grabbed him.

[E]

And.

[A]

And, like, they were.

[C]

And then there was that liberal white woman. And they're like, no.

[A]

She jumped in, was like, don't hurt.

[C]

She's, like, trying to protect him.

[B]

I didn't watch the video. Did she really do that? She actually came in as the savior of this. Of the.

[C]

Yes, she did.

[A]

Yeah. She was trying to prevent people from hurting him. Hurting him.

[D]

Did she win? Did she. Did they stop?

[A]

Well, I'm pretty sure the. The guy got arrested, so that was. But that's the point then.

[C]

Not when she was stopping him.

[A]

Society, like, society shouldn't allow that kind of stuff. We shouldn't just say, oh, well, you know, we're going to let people do that kind of stuff. Like, the police should absolutely be arresting these people immediately.

[E]

What if.

[D]

What about robot vigilantes? If, like, a corporation.

[C]

Why do you like robots, Arch? No, we don't want any.

[A]

Why are you trying to offload this to machines?

[D]

Because I always think about, who are the police?

[A]

Like, I want the Terminator. I want robots.

[C]

Who's in control of the robot?

[B]

Who's in control of the robots?

[D]

There's multiple ways. You could have autonomous robots or you could have, like, a police force program,

[B]

robotic force, but definitely not doing autonomous.

[D]

Let's say autonomous.

[A]

Let's say. No, we don't want.

[D]

For the example, it would be an autonomous police force that's just. Just overseeing things to make sure we're not breaking laws.

[A]

You're literally talking about constant supervision and, like, Terminator enforcement. You endorse this.

[D]

What I bring up now is vigilante justice. Like, obviously, people can take it upon themselves emotionally to go wreck some havoc because crime's not getting dealt with enough. I get it. That's the human vigilante. But if a corporation's like, I'm tired of this crime on the streets. I'm tired of 711 getting robbed. I'm unleashing my drone force overnight. There's gonna be drones, have machine guns

[B]

flying around the army of robots. We just.

[A]

We don't need.

[D]

We're not asking it's okay for a person.

[B]

Nobody out there wieners in front of kids. That's all we're asking. We do not need a. A robot army.

[D]

No one is saying that it's okay

[A]

for, for people to take the law in their hands. What we, what we're saying is we need people to demand that law enforcement put these people in jail immediately.

[D]

But situations that law enforcement won't. So like England, for instance, when they were protecting the rape gangs. I've heard there's actually happening okay, in England situation.

[B]

I support Elon Musk launch in a robot army because, yes, they're not going to save themselves.

[D]

Vigilante robots. Now this is what I'm wondering is like, if a person, through their, through their corporation, their corporate ownership of their autonomous weaponry decides to do vigilante justice,

[A]

like, no, you think that's, that's bad?

[D]

It is bad. I think vigilantism is bad in general until it's good. Like, no, it's bad until all order breaks down. Like, what other choice do I have?

[A]

It's like, like if, like the American Revolution. It's crazy to me that you talk about, like, corporations as if they're bad until this comes up. And then you're like, you know, maybe a cor. Corporations. You go ahead and make a bunch of robots to be law enforcement outside of the. The normal.

[D]

It could be a guy that's not registered. It could just be a guy that owns 19 drones and he's hooked up to a neural net and he controls them all and flies around town at night patrolling the city on his own because he feels like cops aren't doing so well.

[A]

Okay, so like, if you're talking about like high tech neighborhood watch, that's one thing. It's totally different when you're talking because you just mentioned drones with machine guns. Yeah, right. Like, so drones that are. If you, if you're. If you're like a dude that has a couple drones or whatever. And you, you are like, I'm the neighborhood watch and I have this drone that flies around my neighborhood and keeps an eye out to make sure nothing's going wrong. And then if you see something weird, you call the police. Perfectly fine. Right? I'm. I'm totally cool with that. You have a drone that.

[D]

Drones shoot nets.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[D]

It's too much assault.

[B]

Well, I.

[D]

Hey, I know you like the robots.

[C]

I think that. I think they're terrible.

[D]

I like using robots. An example, because I want to take ethics out of it. I want to just look at it as if what is there a neutral system in place?

[A]

There is no neutral system. Because as soon as you're deciding what is and is not legal, then you're making a value judgment.

[C]

Correct?

[A]

So there is no neutral system. There's no such thing as neutrality in the world as much as we, we talk about it. Like anytime you make a value judgment, you're no longer neutral. True.

[D]

It's a good point.

[A]

You know, so there's no such thing as neutrality. You have to decide what your values are and those are the values that you want your society to have. And if your society has values, has any particular values, that's not neutral. Right. You want. You want to have justice, but your justice is going to be based on your values in. In. You know, what if they have like

[D]

pepper spray or like lasers that can blind guys because what if your shoot

[A]

what you decide to use any kind of force for? He is making a value judgment.

[D]

I'm only asking because you know that guy in Portland that was a superhero that went around at night and kicked.

[A]

He wasn't a superhero. He's just a guy like one.

[D]

You know what I'm talking about.

[A]

He was crazy.

[B]

Well, hold on. You know that he could have been.

[D]

You know what I'm talking about. No, he would like he walked around the posse.

[B]

Sounds like a superhero.

[D]

He would fight.

[E]

This is a real story.

[D]

Yeah, he like, he got worn out in the whole vigilante superhero game. He was doing it at night.

[B]

I think his name's got kick ass

[D]

in the chat. You guys know in the chat.

[A]

Someone's going to name him in the chat. No, look, no, I like again.

[D]

I'm going to lay off the drones.

[A]

You can't. You can't have neutrality. You have. Your society makes value judgments. Ian, you can have driving me.

[C]

How do we get on vigilante stuff? But yeah, from what story that we were talking about?

[B]

We were talking about units out for around children and then Ian went to. We need to launch an army that'll sterilize the streakers. And then.

[D]

Yeah, what if we. What if we have vigilante robots?

[A]

Insane.

[D]

What if we move. What if we. What's the word? Extrapolate. I don't want to use it but like scale out our vigilantism into. Now I have an army of robots.

[A]

We don't want vigilantism. Like I said, the. The line is drawn.

[B]

I can agree with individual moments of vigilantism, but in a general sense.

[A]

Yeah, look, the line is. Look, if you, if you Want like again if you want to have a dude or couple dudes that have drones that are like monitoring your neighborhood like a high tech neighborhood watch and then you call the police police. You call the actual law enforcement.

[D]

Go ahead you got it.

[C]

So they can just frame you but.

[A]

But you cannot take matters into your own hand what you say can you?

[B]

Are you just insight.

[C]

Lisa's going so hard against everything Phil says all my. I'm really not actually. I don't think I. I don't think I was attacking each other.

[D]

The reason I'm going so hard is cuz what if the police don't respond?

[C]

That's where they don't sometimes.

[A]

That's why we said we don't investigate. That's literally why we said we need to hold police to higher standards and and you to need. Need more. The. The answer to that is more law enforcement.

[B]

Local leadership police are more than happy to get these guys off the streets. Maybe, maybe not an SF but what's

[D]

the problem with sf?

[B]

I don't know. They just do a lot of this. I've been, I've been to those, those Pride month protests up there. I don't go to them anymore because I literally will not interviews at those

[A]

probably that you even said that but

[B]

here most cops James Clue we stopped going because there's so many naked dudes around. I was like dude I can't do this. There's kids walking around so it's so horrible.

[A]

See all those people should be arrested and put in jail. Of course they should be an ass go to jail. Well fine. That's fine. No, I. I'm not sure about it. S maybe just regular jail. Why do they get a special jail?

[B]

True regular jail just need yeah I

[C]

guess regular jail medicated though.

[A]

Well I mean I. I don't know if I'm.

[C]

I'm okay with for the safety of like the corrections officers and stuff like this.

[A]

No, I think that the. I think around

[C]

that's what I'm saying

[A]

you got to medicate them anyway so we're going to jump to this story here. The from the AP. US Launches new strikes against Iran after three ships were hit in Strait of Horn Hormuz. So they were launching drones at merchant ships and the United States has decided that well we're not going to watch this anymore so. From Dubai, United Arab Emirates the U S Military launched new strikes against Iran early Wednesday hours after three merchant ships were struck in the Strait of Hormuz in the latest exchange of fire to threaten the interim deal to end the fighting between the two countries. The strikes were expected to hit a variety of military sites and port facilities.

[B]

U.

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S Officer said the renewed attacks were sure to add to the difficulty in the negotiations aimed at fully reopening the straight, rolling back Tehran's disputed nuclear program and reaching a permanent end to the war. Launched February 28th. In a statement posted to social media, U. S Central command and American forces launched the strikes to impose heavy costs for targeting and attacking commercial shipping crewed by innocent civilians in an International Waterway. One U.S. official said the military is targeting Iranian air defense systems, coastal surveillance systems, ground to air missiles, as well as launch sites for anti ship cruise missiles and drones. Iranian port facilities are also being targeted, that official said. The second official said the strikes would lastly last, likely last for hours. I read something that said that these, these strikes are, are not going to just last for hours, that it could be days. I don't know how true that is. But look, the, the mou, the Memorandum of understanding, like I'm, it looks pretty clear that we can toss that away, that there is no understanding and that whoever is in control of the irgc, like they are still intent on attacking merchant ships and trying to make an actual, you know, prevent people from, from using the straight Hormuz. I think the US is, is probably in a pretty good position to continue preventing that so long as, as, you know, as long as the, the military is in the, in the area. And I think these strikes are probably going to continue for a while.

[D]

I was just reading about this. There were three, the three merchant ships that got hit. There's a Qatari merchant ship, a liquefied natural gas tanker, a Saudi Arabian crude oil supertanker and an unidentified tanker.

[A]

You know, and to that point, like the other Arab states, they should be stepping up and saying, look, this is, this is Iran, you know, actually declaring war on us, right? Like the Saudis have no love for Iran at all. Iran is the country that destabilizes the whole, whole region. You know, like the Saudis in Iran had, you know, whether it be because of the Shia Sunni issue or whatever, they all really have a problem with Iran because Iran is the, the, you know, they're the ones that are funding the Houthis and the Houthis were fighting, they were fighting Saudi Arabia. Iran's funding Hezbollah and Hamas. Like Iran has been doing all sorts of, taking all sorts of actions to fund terrorist organizations or militias that cause, that just wreak havoc throughout the whole region.

[D]

I don't know why I'm thinking about Turkey and It's not this story. There is another story I'm thinking about, like, American dominance in the region and how Trump's over there removing sanctions from the Turks because the Russians, in order to get through the Black Sea, now that they have Crimea and they have Sebastopol, they need to go through Turkey, they need to go through Istanbul, that Constantinople, they need to get through the Bosphorus Strait. So Turkey's in NATO. So America wants to strengthen its ties with, with Turkey so that the. They don't with Russia. And then because Netanyahu is like, that's a bad idea. Trump. Trump's talking about giving like, F35s or some, some jet to the Turks. And Netanyahu's like, I wouldn't do that. That will change the power balance in the region. We shouldn't do that.

[A]

We should, we don't. I don't care what Netanyahu has to say about it.

[D]

I generally don't. But I think the reason we're in this war with Iran is because of what Netanyahu said about it.

[A]

So I think that it has to

[C]

do with it, with a lot more dialogue.

[A]

I think it's far more broad. I think that it has to do with.

[B]

Well, there's way more than. Sorry, keep going.

[A]

Well, just, it's, it's, it's all like. I, like I wrote a piece on my Patreon a couple. Well, actually, the day. Yeah, a little bit. The day after. Well, I can read, too. The, the day that the, the strikes happened, I started. Right. I wrote a piece that was talking about, you know, it's, it's really about China and about trying to, you know, change the geopolitic, geopolitical situation with the

[B]

Belt and Road Initiative.

[A]

Yeah. Regarding China, you know, that's what Venezuela was, was largely about. That's what the, the argument over the, the, what's it called, the Panama Canal was about. Because China was taking, trying to basically control both ends of the Panama Canal. And the US Is like, we built it. You're not going to control it. The US Built it. We lost a bunch of lives putting that there. You know, this is something that the US Is going to be able to control because we want to make sure that the whole world can use it. We're not going to make, we're not going to allow China to decide who can and cannot use the Panama Canal. I think that's why the US Is putting the, the, the screws on Cuba, because Cuba is basically in the gateway to the Gulf of America. All of the stuff that. There's even the, the Strait of Malacca where the US Is making moves are not really all that. It's not really funny. What?

[C]

Malacca.

[A]

Malacca.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, I do, but it's not, it's not something that, that makes a lot of news. But the US Is making moves around the Strait of Malacca as well, because that's one of the choke points we have.

[B]

We have more influence over that than China as well. Yeah, so that's why they call it the. What, what's the, the phrase? The Malacca trap.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

So if you're pushed back on that and that's your only option for, you know, shipping, that's a big problem.

[A]

Yeah, and, and that's this whole, this whole thing with Iran. Like, I, I do think that obviously it benefits Israel, but I don't think that the, the decision to, to, to deal with Iran is because of Israel. I think that it, it fits into a greater picture. Just like the, the stuff with Greenland, you know, the US Needing to take Greenland. That's because the US Is trying to, trying to realign global power. If you got the ice caps melting and, and Russia has a port that's, you know, open year round because the ice is kind of receded, then you're going to have to, you want to have US Forces that can monitor what they're doing.

[B]

You know, people act like the Greenland situation is something new to Trump. Yeah, totally not actually the, I think the first time they used to United States tried to go after Greenland was in the 1800s. What was it? Secretary William Seward, I believe is his name. And it's when we were purchasing Alaska, they also tried to get Greenland and at the time it was looked at as this, like, wow, what a waste of money. What a stupid idea. Ended up being genius, by the way, for sure. I mean, as we know. And then what. Harry S. Truman also tried to get Greenland. So these are not like new things. There's tons of benefits to controlling the entire region around our country, whether it be, well now data centers. I guess you could make the argument for the cool temperature, but a lot of it has to do with obviously defense and a lot more.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And it's a zero sum game. Who controls the land? It's either us or them. So that's the way military men will think about it. It's like if you don't secure it, someone else will.

[A]

Look, we took.

[B]

Nobody's creating massive islands yet, like the

[D]

size of the Chinese are trying, they're working on it. They're building islands not on the same

[A]

scale, but we aren't yet with the stuff of green. I mean the US Took stewardship of Greenland when, you know, when Denmark was invaded by the Nazis, you know, like during World War II. The last thing that we want is to have, you know, for sure have the, had the Nazis, you know, go over to Greenland because well, that was, you know, Danish territory, you know, so it's not that ridiculous to think the US for the US to say look, this is actually important to us strategically. Denmark can sit there and say well that's, that's our territory. Etc. But look, when this was actually in the news, we talked about how much it would cost to pay everybody in Greenland and it wasn't a lot of money.

[B]

I think it's a population of about like 60,000 people.

[A]

You can make them all millionaires or, or you know, give them 5 million bucks a piece and you're not talking about a significant expense when you take into account the national security benefits that it get. But anyways back to, to make a

[B]

millionaires and then build a Bass Pro Shops right in the center.

[A]

There you go. And make it, make it a pyramid. That's right. Just like the one in Nashville. But yeah, this, this stuff with, with Iran, this, this fits into a broader picture. So I mean I know that there are people out there that think everything is because of Israel if it happens in the Middle east, but it's, it's largely not. It's because the US is looking to, to change the, the calculation when it comes to basically all of geopolitics, global

[B]

shipping dominance and energy dominance. Those are decent incentives, at least incentives that the United States is not like unfamiliar. Unfamiliar with.

[D]

So yeah, I was talking. Oh Thomas Massie introduced an amendment to the NDAA to take away the feature that says that we're going to merge our militaries. Merge is a bit of a strong word with the Israeli military. Like we're going to. There's a bunch of collusion that they're trying to legally bind American military and the Israeli military. We're going to share secrets, share technology, share. Shipping lanes are like part of our structural, what do they call that, the building process with Israel to build our processes together.

[A]

Other.

[D]

It's concerning.

[B]

Who put that in?

[D]

I don't know yet. And that's a good idea. Who, who wrote that into this that they want us to merge with Israel?

[A]

Isn't that because the, the US is looking at the five eyes, the, you know, Canada, uk, what is it, New Zealand, Australia, Was it exclusively Israel? I think so. And I think part of the reason is because they're looking at the, the five eyes as less reliable when it comes to sharing intelligence and stuff. Yeah. So I'm not not saying that that's a good idea, but I think that, that the, the point is you look at the changing d. Changing basically populations in, in the UK and stuff. And, and the US has said, well, look, we can't really guarantee that in 25 or 50 years that we're going to have the same relationship with these countries because they're having such, such significant changes of their population. And so we need to make sure that we have the ability to, to share intelligence and stuff with other countries. So I, and again, I'm not saying that it's a good idea to do with this.

[B]

You're just explaining should be doing that with, with Japan. I would probably ask very few questions.

[A]

Agree, completely agree. Japan is our greatest ally. People say Israel is our greatest ally. It's not Israel. Japan, particularly when you think about how close to China Japan is. Obviously fireworks shows they love America.

[C]

I'm telling you, we could make the Middle east our friends just like we did with Japan. I'm just saying

[A]

I disagree because I think the population.

[B]

Disagree.

[A]

Different.

[B]

You think, you think they're yearning for a friendship with us.

[A]

Well, you know, really, one of the things, look at, I was reading, I'm missing from what I said, nuclear bombs. We don't need that. We don't need to use.

[C]

Saying it would eliminate a lot of problems. They can go back and be around.

[A]

Yeah, no, we don't, we don't need to use, we don't need to initiate a nuclear war. That being said, look, part of the reason why today we have such, if I understand correctly, some of the stuff that I was reading on X over the weekend, part of the reason why we have such a close relationship with Japan now is because of the way that the US responded in 2000, 2011 after the earthquake. Right, the big one, Fukushima. Yeah, I was there like I was in Tokyo when it happened and it was, it was crazy.

[B]

Crafted their constitution. So like. Yeah, but we've, we've done a good job.

[A]

Let me get this out. There's, there was the, the general consensus from the Japanese government in like 2008, 9, 10, they weren't particularly friendly to the United States. They were actually there were, was, there was, there was some tension there. And then after the, the earthquake, the US Sent a bunch of aid and we had Americans over there because we had, you know, we had people on, we had military in the, on Okinaw and stuff, and we jumped in to help and we were doing a lot to, to really kind of help Japan deal with what was a massive, massive problem for them. A lot of people died. I think it was 20,000 people died in Sendai alone, never mind across the whole country. So after that, if you took a scent, they took a, a poll of like Japanese people, and the approval of the United States was something like 85 or something like that. 85% of the people love the United States. And so since then, the relationships with the US has actually gotten significantly better. So, like, looking at Japan as like an ally, particularly when you consider, should something happen with Taiwan and we want to go ahead and make, make some kind of military move, we're going to need Japan. Japan is a great way for us to keep an eye on, you know, have, have intelligence about what's going on in China. And I mean, there. That's kind of what people think Israel is. Right. So it's a way that the US can kind of keep. Have a country that'll actually monitor the Middle East. Right now you've got a problem with Iran, but in the future, China is going to be a significantly larger problem. And Japan is, is uniquely positioned to help the United States monitor what's going on in China.

[D]

I've got some information.

[B]

Really interesting point about the assist.

[A]

Yeah, it was a big deal, the,

[B]

you know, helping with aid after the, the honorable tsunami.

[A]

Right. Yeah, it was. Well, it was an earthquake. It was a 9.0 earthquake, one of the largest earthquakes in history. And there was a tsunami that basically, Basically all of Sendai.

[B]

Yeah, interesting.

[D]

Yeah, all that cadmium went into the ocean. I think it's cadmium. It's the heavy metal in the nuclear corium reactors just got flushed and you can see it like, flowing through the Atlantic. Well, I remember it.

[B]

I just, I just was unaware of like the, the polling after following. Yeah, just like not just mending or fixing any relationship, but just making it explode.

[A]

Yeah, like the, the, the approval of. By the Japanese citizen afterwards. It was, it was a big deal because we really did, you know, from the, at least the, the way I understand it, the way that I was reading it on, on a lot of exposes, there was, there were people that they kind of thought, you know, because of the tension between the Japanese government, the United States, they were like, well, you know, the Japanese government had just insulted the US A bunch and, and kind of, you know, they were talking about There used to be people talking about, like, Okinawa as being like, it's a bad thing that the military, military is there. The, the Marine Corps has a, has the 3rd Marine Division over there. And it's, it's bad and, and we shouldn't have that, and Japan shouldn't be a client state of the United States, etc. Etc. But once that happened, the US was uniquely positioned to send aid and to send help and to send people there to literally help dig up bodies and stuff. And, and you know, the US did, and the Japanese were kind of like, look, we kind of just treated these guys really bad for a lot of years and they didn't ask for, for anything. They just kind of jumped up and, and started helping and, and helping our people. And so that really changed the opinion of the, the general consensus of the Japanese people about Americans. And it's been. Been kind of something that, that we've seen grow. I mean, it was, you know, 2016, 17, 18. That's when we saw Shinzo Abbey and Donald Trump kind of hanging out and, and being friendly towards each other. And that was a great relationship, right? Yeah, that relationship's only grown. And it's another thing that I wrote about on my Patreon, the, the US and, and Japanese relationship and why the Japanese and the US Actually have a lot in common. Even though our cultures are very different, the way that we approach our cultures and the, the value that we have in our culture, the way the value that we place on our cultures, like, it's very similar. And the U.S. doesn't want to see Japan change.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Like the U.S. wants Japan to be Japan and it seems that the Japanese appreciate that.

[D]

But anyways, I want to talk about Israel, unfortunately, but I want to also say something about Japan, because the ronin, the wandering samurai, is like kind of like the lone gunslinger. Like, it's very similar, like heroic archetypes in the American and the Japanese mythos. But to answer your question from earlier, James, about who drafted that bill, they're calling it the Israel merge. It's colloquially known around Congress like that. It's section 224, renumbered section 219 of what in the FY 2027 NDAA titled the United States Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative, advanced by the House Armed Service Committee, chaired by Representative Mike Rogers from. Is that Alabama? And bipartisan support. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly claimed credit for proposing the idea. And the initiative is strongly backed by aipac. This is from AI Sponsored.

[C]

You have to remember a lot of these Southern evangelicals They really, really believe that like Israel's our greatest ally and we need to be doing everything we can for them. I, I've seen it up close. I mean they really believe that with all their hearts.

[A]

The thing about going away though, the

[D]

boomers going away between Japan and Israel because I agree Japan's an excellent alliance is that we conquered Japan and then dominated them and rebuilt them with our own constitution. Israel's like its own thing nuclear armed on allegedly. I don't even know if they obviously so it's a different animal. Like that's not. You can't really control, control that thing. They got their own. So I don't, I don't know.

[A]

It's tough to.

[D]

So every time I think about Iran I think about the whole moving puzzle. Like everything's moving at once. There's Israel moving in the United States.

[C]

It's all a problem. Israel's a problem. Turkey's a problem. Iran's a problem, Pakistan's a problem. It's. The whole place is a problem.

[D]

Turkey's an immense issue because they hold the keys. NATO, they hold Russia's keys. Yeah. Turkey, Turkey is they. They have to ally with Russia because they're going to be their main shipping port.

[A]

They can't ally too closely because they are in NATO.

[D]

I know like this puts them in an immensely. A powerful position. Turkey to negotiate to the right or to the left, to the east or to the west. The Russians or to the Americans. They could leave NATO which would.

[A]

I wouldn't mind.

[D]

Israel would flip their. The Israelis would flip their. Netanyahu would probably flip his freaking. Israel's not NATO because America is just about to give jet fighters to the, to Turks. So if they leave NATO right after that you'd be like what in the. We just gave them weapons.

[B]

Yeah, but I bet you got switches.

[A]

Yeah, I was just going to say

[B]

turn into a boat angle.

[A]

The F35 is a very advanced plane and I think the US could probably just turn them off if they wanted to.

[B]

I 100%.

[D]

Oh, I like that idea.

[A]

Yeah. You've got a plane but you don't get really cool. They'll be, they'll be able to fly them but they wouldn't get any of the advanced aeronautics. They wouldn't get any of the radar systems. Like that's usually what the US does when they sell planes to other countries. They'll sell the plane, they'll sell the airframe but they don't get the up the state of the art electronic suite. They don't get the state of the art radar. They don't get the state of, state of the art networking capacity. And one of the things about an F35 is it's not just a capable airplane that can, that can, that you can use as an attack plane, but it's kind of like they turned it into like a node to communicate with all. With the other planes and people on the ground. Like it's more like a, I mean it's almost, almost like a, a networking system that they have.

[D]

Flying network.

[A]

Yeah, kind of like that. So they. The US Likely. And I don't, not that I have any kind of, you know, inside information. I don't know. You know, I don't have any kind of, of specific info.

[B]

That's exactly what you would say if you did though.

[A]

But, but yeah, like the, the U.S. i mean the U.S. is even when it came to like selling F16s back in the day, like they would sell the F16s to, to a bunch of different countries. There are a bunch of countries that have F16s, but they don't. They didn't sell them with the, the, the advanced targeting packaging. They wouldn't sell it with the advanced radar. They would sell the airframe and they would sell some of the stuff. They wouldn't give them the, the state of the art of the U.S. this is awful.

[C]

Nobody cares.

[D]

You don't like the Israeli Iranian.

[C]

Nobody cares.

[D]

There's nothing to like complete with sick of it.

[C]

Everybody's so sick of it. It's been three years since like October 7th of this region, Israel. We're not even talking. I know, but we are. We're talking about the whole thing.

[D]

Like they want you to get, get bored with it.

[C]

It's a, it's, it's annoying.

[A]

What do you want to talk about, Lisa?

[C]

Find something else to talk about.

[D]

If you get bored with it, then they win. Then they can pull out their plans.

[A]

And we got the complaining woman over here. We're going to jump to this story here.

[D]

Talking about it was kind of boring.

[A]

Senate Republican leaders say that they've spoken to Mitch McConnell as he remains hospitalized. The rumor going around is that Mitch McConnell is actually brain dead. And then so a bunch of people have said no. I spoke to Mitch McConnell.

[C]

I reached out to people on the Hill the other day when it was going around that he was dead and again and they said they were hearing the same thing. And they have heard the people at least that I still talk to on the Hill, which is a lot of them say that, yeah, he has Been non responsive for a while now. I don't know how true that is. And now people are saying that they have spoken to him. But I think it's really weird that his wife went away while he's in this condition when she's in China. I think that's a little bizarre.

[A]

From ABC News, Senate Republican leaders say they've spoken to Mitch McConnell as he remains hospitalized. Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell has had phone conversations with several Republican leaders as he remains hospitalized. Spokespeople for the lawmakers told ABC News on Tuesday A spokesperson for McConnell first confirmed the senator had been hospitalized on June 14 for an unknown condition. His office has not provided many updates though they say McConnell is continuing his recovery in the hospital. Senator McConnell appreciates the outpouring of support he's receiving. I'm actually kind of dubious about that he's receiving while he continues his recovery in the hospital.

[C]

He should have resigned.

[A]

A McConnell spokesperson said in a statement first issued last week that ABC News has told continues to stand Tuesday. The Senator continues to improve and he is working closely with his staff on Kentucky and Senate matters while the Senate is out of session. He probably should have retired. Retired years ago. As soon as he started doing the whole like where he just like stopped. Like someone hit the pause button on him like in front of cameras. You know, it's pretty black pilling for a lot of.

[B]

Have Americans that see that stuff too. Yeah, they're just like what are we doing? Like. No, no Republicans are defending that either.

[A]

No, no.

[C]

I mean look, no, they are, they're lying for. There's a couple. There are people that are the people that are saying that they've spoken to his office and him. Sorry, I'm more covering for him.

[B]

I more of mean like Republic. Like people that vote Republican. Like nobody's saying that and they're thrilled about it. You know.

[C]

I have no idea.

[B]

Over the top.

[C]

I don't know why anybody isn't saying you need to step down right now.

[A]

I don't know either. Well, I mean actually you, you know D.C. better than most, you know, ex. Why?

[C]

I, I don't.

[D]

I would imagine because the people in his circle are still getting rich.

[A]

They still getting paid.

[C]

He's a very good fundraiser.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean and look, I'm gonna, everyone's gonna be like, everyone's gonna be like, you know, he's, he's the turtle and he's terrible and blah, blah, blah. And I can't, I know that I'm going to take heat for this but remember the reason we have the Supreme Court that we have is because Mitch McConnell knew how to prevent Mer Garland from getting appointed. Right. Like, you have these people.

[C]

Amy was going to be good.

[A]

What?

[D]

Yeah. Like two weeks ago that argument would have been salient, but now.

[A]

No, but the point that I'm making. No, if you're going to talk about, if you're going to talk about, you know, why, why do these people stay in office? And, and, you know, what's the benefit of having people that have been there years and years and years, they know how the Senate rules work, they know how the government works. They have the insight to be like, yo, we have this option because no one cares about how the, the sausage is made, but the Senate has a bunch of rules that they have to have, you know, that you have to abide by. And it's not just as easy as, oh, well, the senator says that he wants to vote for this or doesn't want to vote for.

[B]

It's a chess master.

[A]

Yeah. And so it's. I agree. We should be saying.

[C]

That's what I don't get anymore. He was a chess master, but he hasn't been coherent for a very long time.

[A]

Exactly. I mean, look, Garland stuff was over 10 years ago. He should have been out. So, so, so the point that I'm making is I do think that it's a good idea. I forget who it was that was talking about, but, like, 80 should be the, the line, right? Like if you're a Senator and you're 75, you can't run again.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

You know, because you'll, you'll be 81 when you get out. If you're 74, you can run. You get out at 80. Because senators do say six year terms, right? What? Senators are six year terms.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you can, you can, you can keep running until you hit 74. 74 is the last time you can run. If you're 75, you can't run anymore. So that way by the time you hit 80, you're gone.

[D]

least term limits, if that. Not that, but the problem with that is I brought this up as a counterpoint to Rollo last.

[C]

I don't love term limits.

[E]

No.

[A]

I don't like term.

[D]

Don't like them.

[A]

No.

[B]

Because obvious, you'll never have any. Like, you'll get a bunch of people that are just, are just learning the game. We were just talking about it being chess. Everyone's just an idiot and doesn't know how to work this.

[D]

But I think, I think one of Trump's appeals was that he didn't know the game, he just came in and

[A]

did what he wanted and look at what happened.

[C]

It's way more complicated than that. And what happens is because the House is on a two year cycle, right? The first year they are trying to do policy and learning things and okay. And then the second year they're campaigning and that is all of them is like, if anything I would increase, if I were going to do anything, I would increase. And here's the other. I'm sorry, I'm jumping ahead of my own head. I would increase the, like from two years to four years so that they're not in that constant like almost campaign dialing for dollars. That's one part. However, then you get somebody good. Say you get somebody really good that you like and they're doing everything right.

[D]

And then APEC puts 30 million against him and he gets voted out or something like that.

[C]

That'd be crazy, right? And so I meant term limits. Well, I'm just saying term limits. And so say you, you know, your time's up, you just go and then, and then a pack. Appoint somebody, right? Like you don't, you don't want it to be constant turnover, especially if you have good stuff going on.

[A]

I love.

[C]

There's a learning curve, there's a staff curve. You don't want a lot of that turnover.

[A]

The worst thing about Thomas Massie not having his seat is he'd been there for seven terms and he kn. He really knows how D.C. works.

[D]

Well, even more, it was that he was just, he was good because a lot of those people know how it works, but they're not good at it.

[C]

You have to make relationships. So he wasn't really good. I mean, as much as I like Massey, Massey did good things, but nobody wanted to work with Massey. That's another problem that people don't really understand there. Like, I remember when some bill was going around, it was a good bill and I was working there and we're trying to suggest bills to my boss and stuff. And I think it, I don't, I think it was Marjorie Taylor Green. Another one was Madison Cawthorne. And at that time, like they were, you know, person non gratas and they were like, no, we like the bill, but we don't want our name associated with them and wouldn't sign on to the bill, wouldn't co sponsor it, wouldn't do anything with it. And so if you're down there and you're making enemies or you're brand new and you don't Know the people and know the ropes and know who to talk to. You're not going to get anything done.

[D]

So it sounds like it's a popularity click. Oh, so smash that up.

[A]

Everything is, everything is networking like the. You have to have people that you know and are friendly with to get anything done. And that's not just in politics, that's in anywhere. Like a big part of the reason why all that remains managed to get signed is because I knew people from when I was in Shadows Fall, right? Like we were getting good shows, we were getting good tours, we were getting on shows and stuff and I made. Made friends in the, in the. The local industry. And so like when all that Remains started, Scott Lee was, is a, was a promoter and a manager that was. That had managed to Shadows fall and he took all that remains on because I knew him and if it wasn't for Scott Lee, all that Remains wouldn't have been able to really get off the ground in Western Mass. And he really helped us a lot. So it is like who you know really does matter. So you don't want to actually go out of your way to make enemies, whether it be DC or in the business world like you do want to. You the best situation is being able to tell everybody yes all the time. Now you can't do that.

[C]

It's also how it works too. And I'm not just talking about like the networking and the thing like that, but like how to pass legislation, how to call Ledge Council to actually get the proper formatting of the wording of the bill. Like there's lots of regular infrastructure that you. It takes you two years to get acclimated to. You need to even learn the building. You're not going to learn the buildings and how to even get around in the first six months. So there is a lot of. You don't want constant turnover because nothing will be getting done. We total chaos. I definitely think that. I mean there's so many things that you need to know structurally, even have the committees work. What. Here's the thing that people don't understand too. Our government is so gigantic, it's so big, right? And these members of Congress are voting on thousands of bills a year, right? Thousands. There shouldn't even be that many, but there's thousands. And they can't be a policy expert on every single one that's coming through. You know what I mean? If there's one that's, you know, he came from an agriculture background or another one that came from a medical background or a lawyer background, he's not going to be, you know, up to date on the next robot technology and, and what those limitations are, what rules and regulations should be there. So, you know, you have a ton of staff and you have to go in there and learn all of that, learn the right people to pick, to hire, to work with you, underneath you to explain those bills and trust them and research and do all the research. There's way more into it than just going like, yeah, I'm going to go in here and vote a certain way that I think my constituents, like, you really have to understand these things and get the right people around you to make that happen. So, so doing that every couple years, term limits even I could say you could do term limits maybe after 15 years and stagger them or something. But it has to be really, like,

[B]

it can't be four years.

[C]

It can't be. It can't be Congress right now every two years, and you can only. You can only have six.

[D]

Like, what percent.

[C]

That would be a. That would be a horrible way.

[B]

Well, nobody would ever even know who their congressman would be. Yeah, direct voice in government.

[A]

Everybody likes to talk about term limits. Like, they would solve these. A lot of problems. And I just don't think that.

[C]

Well, they thought getting rid of earmarks would solve problems, and it did nothing but deadlock the government. And there was no bartering, and it isolated people, it polarized people because you couldn't say, like, okay, I need this vote on this bill, but, all right, we'll make sure that your constituents get the money for that bridge you really need built there for that infrastructure. And so they. There was no horse trading anymore, and there was no bargaining.

[A]

So at first, politics is, is being able to say, say yes to things that don't really have a bad effect on you. So that way you can get someone else to say yes to something you really want.

[C]

Right, exactly. And so same thing with earmarks. So people push these things like earmarks and term limits and, and all that, whatever. Because it sounds good. Like, yeah, I don't want to.

[A]

And this is earmarks. This is why everyone shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[D]

Another thing that sounds good is getting rid of omnibus. Omnibus bills, which is something that Gates and I talk about.

[C]

Yeah, getting rid of omnibus bills are

[D]

actually, that's where earmarks find a place, is in omnibus spending. And that's where a lot of like, if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours as an omnibus spending. So without that. But then, then they'd actually literally have to read 1000 bills a week or whatever. Or I mean, technically they're supposed to read the omnibus as well, which is like a thousand pages they get. And it's supposed to read it in

[C]

a. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of omnibuses. There's a way to break those up into separate pieces.

[D]

What, ethically, what amount of time spent in Congress should be spent campaigning for your next seat?

[C]

See, the problem. The problem with the campaigning is that, you know, it's actually probably might even get a little better though, because TV spots and radio spots cost a lot of money. Right. More TV than TV that prices are. Or whatever. But they're extraordinary. However, you're not really. We're not. That's not the medium anymore. You can go on podcasts for free. Right. You can go on Twitter for free. You can do Twitter space. So there is some shift there happening. They still do traditional mail, which is when you're campaigning, which costs a lot of money. Mail pieces we would send out.

[B]

Apparently that's extremely effective, though. It's super annoying.

[A]

I've never looked at a piece of mail from a politician. Apparently.

[B]

Yeah, apparently.

[A]

Throw them away.

[C]

Yeah, I'm telling.

[D]

Super annoying.

[C]

You could get a whole staffer to read more bills for the price of one mail distribution that you do.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yes. I. I think I've spent on one of our mailers. We spent 70,000. Another one, and I think it only targeted that 100. Like maybe. I think it was like 75 to 100,000 people and we're spending 70,000 on it. It's really a lot. But there's different ways people are signing up for newsletters and there's different things.

[B]

The worst thing in the world, the text.

[C]

Well, that was big for a while too. But they're the most effective right now. You're seeing a lot of text messages are effective. The text messages had a better open rate and a better rate for your return. But they got expensive. They started out at like 15 cents a text and think about how costly that could get quickly. And now they're down about 8, I think maybe a little less. You can get them a little less, like 8 cents a text. But there has. I think that's. That's going to shift. But my point is they're spending so they have to spend so much money to. Because money's coming in from PACs and different organizations. Like, you know, like what we saw happen to Thomas Massie and to raise that much money, what could he focus on when he has to be constantly calling people and asking Them, hey, are you going to donate or you know, doing that fundraising? So if we were to limit, like, okay, no TV ends, we could get better. They could, they could have less time camping, campaigning, but even doing a town hall, like, if you do, we have telephone town halls that we do a lot, and that's about 25 to 30 grand a telephone town hall. There's just a lot of that comes out of the MRA though. But you know, that's why it's hard to beat an incumbent, because they'll have things like telephone town halls like in the MRA budget. But if you don't, if you're not, if you're not already in office, you can't use that to reach out to your consist constituents. And then how do you get name id, right? Like, how do you get recognized if it's trying to beat an incumbent? So there's tricky things that happen when it comes to money and politics and all, all that stuff.

[D]

What's MRA budget like?

[C]

So each office gets a certain amount of budget that they're allowed to spend on basically operating. You, you get to pay your staff out of the mra, you get to pay your mailers out of the mra, telephone town hall supplies and anything you need. And everybody gets like, you know, like a $5 million budget for the office or something. Some, some of the tire. If you, if you're in leadership or, or whatever. But when you have that, you've got to be careful with that budget. The thing is, is that incumbents have way more resources to reach their constituents. They can do town halls. They can, and they can use the MRA money to do that up until 90 days before the election. That's called the blackout period. They're not allowed to do it then. But think about it. The people that are already in Congress are constantly making touches and getting their name recognized and showing what they did for constituent services and getting people's medals or passports fixed or whatever, all those things so they have more opportunities to reach constituents, get that name ID.

[D]

There's like congressmen that are in their 80s that have been there for 50 years.

[A]

Who's that?

[D]

There's one really old guy. There's a lot of really old, really old, like for 50 years that have been in Congress for 50. How long is Pelosi? This is a picture of her with John F. Kennedy. Yeah, when she's a young girl, Young woman.

[B]

There's a lot of people that nobody's ever even seen or heard of that have been in the game for a Long time too.

[C]

Yeah, they used to. To call them like there's workhorses and show horses and so the workhorses of the congressman you don't know about, but they're helping their constituents and trying to pass bells and the show horses are the show horses and they're doing their show thing. It's the thing.

[D]

I would like to disincentivize these people to be cogs in a machine of just keep your mouth shut, sign the bill that the party wants you to sign that you probably didn't read and your staff are signed off on and just move on and raise money and get rich and maybe make a book deal like, God, we gotta get away from that.

[B]

I don't think there's solution.

[A]

Well, you could do.

[B]

There is a solution. I don't think there's a perfect way of. No. Like to 100%. What, like get a king?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Get rid of.

[A]

Listen the government and have a monarchy. Right.

[C]

Well, our government wasn't ever supposed to be this big. Just kind of like the EU doesn't work. Right. Too many different interests. We are twice the size. I mean, maybe it's more than. I don't know the exact numbers, but like we have so many competing interests across every state in this country. It's too big. It is too cumbersome. It. We. The pe. We don't. We aren't represented. It should really go back to repeal the.

[A]

Repeal the 17, repeal the 17th, amend the Commerce clause and the necessary and proper clause.

[C]

The 17th would help a lot.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Re. Reinforce the 10, the 9th and 10th amendments. So. So that way the states have the ability to pass the. The states have the incentive to pass the laws that they need to. To pass and get rid of them. You know, bring back Doge. Like, but like times 10.

[E]

Congress people used to have like regular jobs that were like everybody else that they're representing. They kind of did it as like a side gig just to like volunteer. Almost like there was farmers and like everything. But now every single person is like a lawyer or someone who's never actually had a job. It seems like.

[A]

Well, the point.

[C]

Some people are just political. Look, look at Bernie Sanders political his whole life. Like that's all he's do. Like that's all he's done.

[A]

The point that Lisa.

[E]

I think.

[A]

The point that I think Lisa's making is like the federal government is supposed to be significantly smaller and it's not supposed to be able to do all the things that it does. That's why I brought up the necessary proper in the commerce Clause. The commerce clause has been bastardized. I forget the name of the, the Supreme Court case, but there is a case that was brought before the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court found that the federal government had the authority to regulate growing wheat on your own property to give to your own cows. Because the thought, the logic was, or the, the argument that they accepted was if you decide that you're going to grow wheat on your own property, that is something that affects interstate commerce because you're not buying wheat that might have come from another state. So because of that the government has the authority to regulate that. And that's not at all what the, the commerce clause is supposed to be. The commerce clause says that it that the federal government has the authority to make regular the commerce between in between states, not that it has the ability to decide whether or not you're allowed to grow wheat on your own property. That is a complete abortion like that is a total abomination of what the commerce clause is. Same thing with the necessary and Proper clause. Necessary property clause says that Congress has the. Has the authority to pass laws that are necessary and proper. That doesn't mean that the Congress has the, the authority to pass whatever law it wants to do whatever it wants. It has the authority to pass laws that are actually necessary. But the government has taken the Constitution and the limits that are put on the federal government and they have flipped it entirely on its head and they have said, okay, this actually empowers the government to do all these things. It doesn't limit the federal government. It empowers hours of the federal government. And now you get this gigantic abomination in that is D.C. i have a

[D]

suggestion of how to solve some of this bureaucratic.

[A]

Thank God, nightmare.

[B]

Let's hear it.

[D]

I call it a direct republic. So it's not a direct democracy. I don't like mob rule, but like what happens. So we've got what, 435 representatives right now? 480 or something. They each represent 437. 437. They represent roughly 750,000 people each. So they go to Congress and it's their turn to vote. They're going to vote yes, yes or no. Instead of that guy going to Congress. What if his 750,000 constituents vote yes or no?

[A]

No, it's just digital democracy.

[D]

No, no, it's, it's still only going to your one it's district.

[A]

You wouldn't, you wouldn't be voting for the other guys.

[D]

No, it's a direct republic because you're still getting your republic, your representative vote tallied. Yes or no. It would aggregate the 750,000 of you in your locale. Go to some series of blockchains that's.

[C]

This is the problem is what I was talking about before. Do you really trust the general public to vote yes or no on. I don't know. Say you know how to regulate Trey's appetite. I don't. I don't know. You know what I mean? When they don't know the ins and outs of the mechanics or how to regulate something that, that has. That is completely above their pay grade. No, what you really want is people that are local and specialized. That's what, that's what you should have.

[D]

But the downside of that is when they get bribed. If you have individual individuals, the, the weight of that responsibility, bribe them.

[C]

Morons.

[D]

Voting, I think the aggregate would show much more intelligent. Because it's not a mob. It's an organized.

[C]

The average IQ here only 100. Like is it that what it is?

[B]

It's reducing.

[C]

Yes. And it's reducing. No, that's a bad idea.

[D]

I just think we should be representing ourselves. Having these other people go there sailing is not working anymore.

[A]

I mean you're just. You're talking about direct democracy with extra steps.

[D]

No, no, it's definitely not direct democracy. I don't like mob rule.

[C]

I don't.

[D]

And your district is your district. Only you guys in that district get to vote for what happens out of your district. That's your representative force. And then my district will vote. It's 750,000 yeses and nos aggregate to a tally of majority to 58%. Yes. Therefore our representative votes yes. And then he doesn't even have to go to Washington. He can.

[A]

We still vote for our rep. We

[D]

still have the House of Representatives. They just stay at home and vote like the rest of us. Power goes out, we send them to

[A]

DC but to Lisa's point, like you can't expect the average person to understand what the. These. You know what, every bill that's being presented, I don't expect everybody to vote either.

[D]

I mean it'll probably so not like, you know, 750000 people, I don't know how many of them.

[A]

But just because

[D]

people on every bill.

[A]

The problem there is the people that are going to be voting are the people that are motivated, not necessarily the people that are informed.

[B]

That's what you're asking. You're asking for more moving parts as well, which is like perfect for fraud and all of that. I mean, instead of you're, are you, are you saying, just to clarify, you're saying instead of having that representative make that vote, you're talking about everyone votes in that district, Is that correct?

[C]

A newsletter home every week on the bills that are up, you vote in a poll like we do on Twitter, yes or no. And then that's how the representative.

[B]

Worrying about one guy being bribed. What about a bunch of people being bribed? What about people doing. What about people gathering ballots and going around town? What about activist groups like, you know, using intimidation to prevent voting voting? I mean, you're asking for a far more complex system than what we have.

[C]

Also. It's not.

[B]

We're just gonna have way more problems.

[C]

It's never going to change. Like, we're not going to repeal the 19th, we're not going to repeal 17th, we're not going to have a voting system like that. We are going to be stuck in this endless cycle until there's some upheaval and then things will change.

[D]

Well, that could be possible if we wait till the last minute.

[B]

But I'm telling you, these deportations, mass denaturalizations, you'll probably get pretty close to getting. That's what I'm talking about to fixing a lot of these problems.

[D]

I think it's a lot easier for a Corporation to bribe 435 individuals than 909 million, 9 million, 90 million people. If they really need the masses of the United States to vote for Exxon,

[B]

Exxon's gonna have to bribe congressional district with 9 million. But I guess I understand your point,

[D]

saying 750,000 times, you know, 10.

[B]

I mean, you're talking about worrying about the corruption of one individual versus worrying about a million different issues with a

[C]

bunch of idiots and those people voting their own self interest. Interest.

[D]

Yeah, that's what's happening with the representatives in Congress.

[C]

That's what everybody's doing. That's why this system doesn't work. That's why you need somebody like a dictator and not one that can pass it down to their sons. But that's why you need somebody and then you can blame that person. Well, you.

[A]

Look, if they're a dictator, then they're going to make the decision as to whether or not they're going to be able to pass down.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

I understand that, but that's not like,

[B]

you know, you're about to start talking

[A]

about she's a monarch, Baron Trump.

[B]

That's it.

[D]

But that's not a real, you're not really arguing because if you're concerned with

[C]

people, go back to, like, Roman where, like, you know, Roman times, where, you know, see, like, it was always the people, like, if you look at, like, kings and emperors over the years, it was always the people who worked really hard and had to work to get there that were really great and benevolent dictators. Really good. They were really great for the country. And it was always when you, like, they pass it down to their own kids that it got messy.

[B]

Then the ninth leader, fifth leader down the road, Washington.

[C]

We don't have any responsible people. You need one responsible person. Just like in a company you need to see.

[B]

Washington was offered this, and he was like, absolutely not. We're not not doing this because he understood. I mean, after like, five leaders, somebody crappy comes in.

[C]

There's a reason, you know, that it was the way it was for our, like, for almost all of human history. And that is because people need hierarchies. And when we're splitting it this way and we're giving, you know, opportunities and opinions to the masses, it doesn't work that way.

[B]

Well, our system didn't even start that way, though. We didn't have, like, universal suffrage in the United States. That wasn't how. That's not even how it was designed. So we're dealing with something right now that's totally correct.

[C]

Ambassadorization of what was intended. I totally get that. But it morphed into that. Right. So either you figure out a way to get it back to what it was, which seems almost impossible with how large it has become now, and the only way to get out of that is upheaval and implementing something.

[D]

Well, or education, because I think you got to be uneducated. Masses need to be led by a dictator or they'll just evolve into killing each other. But the educated can function on their own.

[A]

The educated are the ones that are the educated. The college people are the ones that are actually voting for the. The dumb stuff.

[D]

Well, really educated, like, you know how to grow plants, you know how to grow corn, you know, what, what the colors in the sky indicate. The weather is going to be, like, important things that, like, you know, in addition to knowing nine times seven, you know, but like, the people that really know how to survive are the. Are the backbone of this country. The farmers, the cattle ranchers and things like so.

[C]

And they could be bribed. I mean, that's of course, but it's

[D]

harder to bribe 10,000 cattle ranchers than

[B]

one guy that represents people getting bribed, not us.

[A]

It's.

[D]

It's really about the corruption. That's what we got to get anyway. I digress. Direct Republic. It's better than what we got. I mean, I don't know that it could be better than what we.

[A]

I mean, you're making an argument for it, but I don't know that it's

[B]

a very socialist argument. It's like, oh, this, this utopia could be so much better. And then they do it and they just get like 50 million people killed.

[D]

The question is, do you have faith in the masses?

[A]

No. No.

[C]

In any way, any idea, any inkling that you have any faith in the masses, like, really show up to in your life that, like, that's like these. I see these people all In a room, 100 people, wherever you are at any given time, you're like, yep, these people should be making the decisions about what's in my food.

[D]

Well, I mean, they, maybe they should have a say in what we all eat. But I'm not saying that, you know, all of us together. And then of course, you have the Senate, the group of better men that can override any of it.

[C]

That's what it was supposed to be, but it's not now that they're not elected by the state legislatures and they're elected directly by the people, and that's what the 17th Amendment is that we should repeal.

[D]

I'm not advocating getting rid of the senators. I do like the Senate because I like the ability to override the masses.

[C]

But they, but that's not. They are the. They're also voted by the masses. Right. Like they, they get a pop. They're now voted by.

[A]

We talked about this last night. The reason, like, how bad it is that people don't understand that a senator, that every state gets two senators, and there are people that are upset that Wyoming has two senators and California has two senators because they think, well, there's so many more people in, in California.

[B]

What was the thought process? They wanted people that were involved in politics to choose who was going to be in the Senate because it was

[A]

the state legislatures that were.

[C]

The state legislatures picked it because they're.

[B]

But what was the reason for the disconnect? I'm. I'm not separated from.

[A]

Senators are supposed to. Senators are supposed to look out for the interest of the state as an independent body, not look out for the, the interests of the people. That's what the House is for. The House is the people's house. It represents the population. The Senate is supposed to represent the interest of the individual state, not specifically the people of the state. What's best for the state itself?

[D]

For sure, the elites.

[A]

No, not the elites, the elite.

[D]

They were supposed to represent the elites, the head of states.

[A]

All right, we're going to go to Super Chats now. Go to your Rumble Rants and your Super Chats. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. Go, go on over to timcast.com Become a member there so you can join us for the after show and all or so you can join our discord and then head on over to rumble.com so you can join us for the after show. Right now we're going to read some of your Rumble rants. All right, Marshuka Dark 316 says we already have the Communist Control act as it's time to enact the Socialism Control act and the Islamist Control Act. Seems like it solved many issues. Look, the Communist Control act is on the books and I personally am one of the people that thinks that, that it should be enforced. You should do a, some kind of interview with people that are coming to the United States and if they hold those types of views, views that are incompatible with the United States, they should be denied entry.

[B]

There's no good argument for mass important people that hate your country.

[A]

Yeah, there's none at all. And so yes, the government should be selective about who we allow into the country if we're going to have immigration at all. Personally, I think we should shut immigration down for a couple years and kind of let you know, figure out what the hell's going on. But yeah, the Communist Control act is still in effect. The Supreme Court has heard some arguments around the freedom of speech, of whether or not you're allowed to, to talk about this kind of stuff. And they found against the act. But the act in and of itself not been found unconstitutional. I think that it's ridiculous to allow people from, from foreign countries that are hostile to your nation to become, you know, even get green cards, never mind become citizens.

[C]

So I like that tweet though. I mean that Super Chat. Great.

[B]

Super Chat.

[A]

Let's see here.

[B]

They're called. What, what are they called?

[A]

What?

[E]

Right now we're doing Super Chats but the Rumble Rants are next.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, these are super Chats.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my bad, my bad. I'm sorry over there, straight from YouTube.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

So let's see. Max Reddick says, James, please come to Ann Arbor, Michigan and speak with the radical leftists. We have seen enough of California, brother.

[B]

Yeah, well, he's taking his foot out, he's traveling, cost money. But yeah, I'M jotting it down right now. All right, welcome Ann Arbor.

[C]

I'll remind you.

[A]

I mean, look man, California's got plenty of leftists and the weather's nice, so it's hard to. Hard to make a an argument that going to Ann Arbor is better than going to California. It's nice to there even.

[B]

We just went to Boston for the first time interviewing Scottish soccer fans.

[A]

Oh really?

[B]

It was so much fun. It was more of like a feel good video and it was great. I mean it was such a good time.

[D]

Is that live now?

[B]

Yeah, it is. It is, yeah. YouTube.com James Klug they were so appreciative. They're traveling the U.S. they were so appreciative of the United States like us hosting. I mean they were, they had nothing but good things to say about everybody. Police officers, the food, everything. They were great. Yeah.

[A]

All right, let's, let's see in Nomi says hi Tim and crew. I hope everyone is doing well. I'm not someone who typically does this, but my girlfriend has set up a GoFundMe. I was hoping you would give it a shout out. Thanks and God bless. Her name is Kenzie Schmidt. So that's K E N Z I E S C H M I D

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T. You have to like give us the reason. Something crazy.

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I don't know. Hopefully it's not like so that way

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go check it out and if it and then donate if it's not something crazy.

[A]

Yeah, go, go make an educated jug by looking at the actual GoFundMe. Generally we like gives and go right go fund got better terms of service.

[B]

A lot of people don't. A lot of people don't know about gifts and go. So I try not to as long as you have like the too hard.

[A]

But yeah, generally sir Missile monkey says it's not just le making arrests. Arrests need to stick. The judges need to be held accountable. Arrests mean nothing if judges just release them. Look man, I agree a lot of the problem is bad das, bad judges. But if you have of like having police on like a visible police force does disincentivize crime to a degree. So like if you have, if you have like, you know, broken windows policing where people will get arrested for small things, it actually does have an effect on overall crime rates. So your point is well taken. Bad das and bad judges, you know, don't help at all and they, they tend to exacerbate the problems. But one having a, a, a, a, a present law enforcement or a law enforcement presence really does Help to kind of deter crime. So let's see. Bashir. Clank says Bashir will appoint a Democrat if McConnell passes away. Look, man, if, if the, the people that are talking on the Hill are to be believed, he's still alive. But you know, if you, if you, if you don't believe anything the government says, then there's no reason to believe, believe that he is special.

[E]

Word.

[A]

I think there's going to, there, There has to be a special election in Kentucky too. They, the, the, the, the governor get

[C]

appointed for a certain amount of time and then they have to have an election.

[A]

Yeah, any. Well, but in, in Kentucky they do a special election. They don't. They, they like the governor doesn't. Actually. It's not Illinois. Like in Illinois they appointed.

[C]

It's only a temporary appointment until they finish out the term.

[A]

Yeah. So let's see. Marky Mark outdoors says Ian, a person is smart. People are dumb, panicky and dangerous animals. Republic system wouldn't work.

[D]

Well, crowds, crowds are panicky. Yeah. But people in aggregate aren't necessarily dumb or panicky. They can do great things.

[A]

Bill Dozer says Phil the Sword missile is cool and all, but why don't we have sharks with freaking laser beams on their freaking heads yet? Because sharks are, are water animals. They have to stay in the water. I mean, if you drop a shark,

[C]

shark in Jersey on the shore, big one nine foot, white. Really very close to the beach. Yes.

[D]

A video of that.

[A]

Jaws in real life.

[D]

I think we have weaponized dolphins.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There's a white shark.

[C]

It's a white shark. Yeah.

[A]

Gray whites.

[D]

They said that we have the best CIA attack dolphins. Wasn't that Trump's?

[A]

He said we have the best.

[D]

I'm not saying we don't have the best CIA attack dolphins in the world,

[A]

but we have the best attack dolphin. I don't know the whole world.

[C]

Dolphins are very smart.

[A]

Yeah, they are. And rapey, if I understand.

[D]

I think they said that Iran doesn't.

[B]

Why are they so handsy?

[A]

Yeah, they don't even have hands. Hands. I just love it.

[E]

The reason

[A]

Methos says I agree with conservative Lisa Kudrow about the nude bikers. Maybe degenerate nervous make degenerates nervous again.

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Yes.

[A]

I mean, look at tweet. Yeah, it's not a tweet again, you know.

[C]

You know, but I'm always. No, I walk around when people say something good, I'm like, that's a good tweet. They should tweet that. That's a, that's a good.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that's a T shirt. That's a T shirt. Yeah, it's a lot. Bumper sticker, whatever it may be, make it.

[C]

I got that from Isabella Riley. She used to walk around like we would hang out on time and I, I would say random things. She'd be like, that's a tweet.

[B]

I heard her say that.

[C]

Totally got that straight.

[A]

Years ago I heard her say AK Storm says Jocko thinks that 20% of a cop's time should be training one day a week or one week a month of hand to hand firearms de escalation etc. Do you think the short handed would shorthanded would be made up with better cops? Look, I think that like, look, if you're a cop you should probably at least be a blue belt in like jiu jitsu. So that way you can restrain people and know how to do takedowns. Probably a little judo so you can do takedowns and, and stuff. I do think that they should get a lot more training than they do. I think Jocko's idea is probably pretty good. Most, most police, you know, they end up using their firearm twice a year so they can qualify. And that means that most people that are, are, you know, that go to the range regularly are better shots than cops are. And you see that in, in the way that, you know, police body cams, the, the shootouts don't often look all that. You know, they're not very impressive. So personally I think they should spend more. That would mean you'd have to increase the number of law enforcement so that the cops that are actually in training are not, you know, are they're taking off the beat or taking off their, their assignment, whatever it costs. Yeah, and it costs more money. So let's see the pro. Let's see force. Name change says the problem with waiting for police to administer consequences puts the consequences low on probability scale, hence ineffective deterrence. Immediate consequences from society is the opposite. Well, you know, there's only certain things, things that we can say on YouTube so we're gonna leave it at that.

[E]

There's a 301 right there.

[A]

Oh boy. All right. Oh, 300.

[C]

He's like super chats. Like how much is. I was like, I don't know. I've seen him up to 100 bucks.

[A]

He goes, this is the biggest one I've seen.

[C]

I've never seen a 300.

[B]

I get that a lot.

[A]

Iran need to be put in their place. Do you all think we will drop the hard and on them before this is over? I don't want boots involved, but I don't see any other choice.

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Soft end. Soft.

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I love this. Whoever this person is, I love you. We're all safe.

[B]

The N word.

[A]

I mean, look, I'm. I don't think that's really funny. I don't think that there's going to be.

[E]

That should be a T shirt.

[A]

I don't think. Yeah, I don't think there's going to be a use of nuclear weapons, but I don't think nuclear weapons are necessary to, you know, to, to, to annihi. Basically do significant damage to Iran. Right. Like the US Has a bunch of munitions, they've got a lot of bombs. And using a nuclear weapon just opens up Pandora's box for other countries justify using it. No one's used a nuclear weapon since World War II. And I think that we all want to keep it that way. There's plenty of ordinance that the US Military has there. I don't think that it's necessary and I don't want boots on the ground ran either. Look, Iran's not Iraq, right. Iraq's got a lot of wide open desert. Iran's got a lot of mountains. It's basically a mountain stronghold. So to have troops invade, a lot

[C]

of the problem we have with Afghanistan too.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean, you. We're not going to see the US Putting troops into Iran the way that we did with, with Iraq. So I don't think that's not.

[C]

In the winter time.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think that that's even a, you know, I don't think it's a realistic discussion. Even though there were people that were, you know, right after the strike started, they're like, oh, there's going to be boots on the ground. There's going to be boots on the ground. They, they're wrong. There's not going to be boots on the ground in Iran just because of the, the topography of Iran.

[B]

No Card Island.

[A]

I don't think they're gonna take.

[B]

I mean, that always sounds weird whenever you say it isn't.

[A]

That's. That's how I've heard it pronounced. That's possible. But even still, like, if you put troops on Car island, they're. They're sitting ducks because Iran's right there and they're going to be shooting missiles and drones at them and stuff. So I don't think that's going to happen. It's possible. It's definitely more likely than an actual invasion of Iran. But there will not be a US Invasion of Iran. That is not happening.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

So let's see. Phil. Hey, Phil. China has launched their first subbase missile and is increasing their research into nuclear subsystem. China is the problem. I agree. Look, man, I'm, I'm consistently saying, you know, China is an adversary and we need to treat them as such. And that's literally one of the major reasons why I think the United States should do everything they can to keep our relationship with Japan as close as possible. Japan is, is their society is, is very similar to ours in that they, they, they cherish their history and their, their, their people. And I think that the United States should do the same. And I think that we should be as, as, as closely aligned with, with Japan as we possibly can. So. But yeah, number one again. Smash the like button. Share the show with all your friends. Head on over to Rumble. Become a member there. Join Timcast.com's Discord. James, do you have anything you want to shout out?

[B]

I guess just you guys go subscribe over on my YouTube channel, YouTube.com James Klug. If you enjoy political street videos, commentary, all that, you're definitely going to enjoy the channel. You guys, thank you so much for having me. Really appreciate it.

[C]

Lisa, Chad hates me tonight.

[A]

No, Chad hates everybody every day.

[E]

You should read what they're saying about me.

[C]

No, no, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I don't know. Send me your suggestions on who you want on the show. I would tell you to follow me on Twitter, but I, like, don't really tweet even anymore. It's at Lisa Elizabeth, if you want to. To see what I say occasionally. Other than that, you know, follow, follow Tim, cast and do the thing. Have a. Do whatever.

[D]

Do the thing.

[B]

I did.

[D]

Speaking of the thing, I did it earlier. It was Brian Shapiro's show, Pushing the Limits. I sat in for Brian Shapiro and hosted in his stead while he was dominating at the World Series of Poker. I gotta find out what he.

[C]

He did today.

[D]

Also, shout out to Tim Pool playing at the the World Series. Bringing it home.

[C]

Doing well.

[D]

Yeah, as of last I heard, he was doing extremely well, so.

[B]

That's awesome.

[D]

My dude's getting it. Check out the Pushing the Limits episode. It's on YouTube. It was very fun. I did two hours with Shapiro, took calls and got to know some of. Some of the crowd. It was great. So shout out, everybody. Catch you later. Oh, Carter Banks.

[A]

Carter, what are you doing?

[E]

Yeah, I'm back here behind this crazy tv, TV setup, peeking through the cracks for the show. I'll chime in every once in a while. You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere. Mainly on accent at Carter Banks Official on Instagram. Shout out to Tim and Brian. I heard they're doing well and I can't wait to watch the episode that you hosted, Ian. But yeah, let's get into the after show. There's probably a bunch of stuff we can talk about that we did not talk about yet on this show.

[A]

I am Phil that remains on Twix. The left lane is for crime. And we will see you all tomorrow. Bye.