Illegal Immigrant ARRESTED After Shooting At DHS, War ERUPTS In Chicago w/ Dan Dillon

Summary

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Timcast IRL Ep. "Illegal Immigrant ARRESTED After Shooting At DHS, War ERUPTS In Chicago w/ Dan Dillon"

Date: November 11, 2025
Host: Seamus Coughlin (filling in for Tim Pool)
Panel: Dan Dillon (Babylon Bee/Not the Bee), Shane Cashman, Elad Eliyahu, Phil Monte

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into breaking news and heated issues, including the arrest of an illegal immigrant for shooting at DHS agents in Chicago, widespread lawlessness at protests, America's immigration crisis, and the latest policy proposals from the Trump administration. The panel, featuring voices from new media, music, and reporting, debate escalating political violence, immigration, the burdens of government, and cultural change. Expect sharp opinions, comedic interjections, and an undercurrent of culture war strategy throughout.

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Panel Introduction

• Seamus Coughlin (host, FreedomToons creator) sets a playful-yet-serious tone, filling in for Tim Pool, and plugs his own crowdfunded show (Twisted Plots).
• Dan Dillon, CTO/co-owner of Babylon Bee/Founder of Not the Bee, brings a satirical and media-savvy perspective.
• Shane Cashman, Inverted World Live host, offers cultural and political commentary, often with a conspiratorial or outsider's edge.
• Elad Eliyahu, White House correspondent for Timcast, grounds discussions with reporting experience.
• Phil Monte, musician (All That Remains), presents as an unapologetic anti-communist, counter-revolutionary voice.

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Key Segments & Discussions

1. Illegal Immigrant Shoots at DHS Agents in Chicago (06:45 - 19:02)

Headlines & Developments

• Illegal Mexican immigrant arrested after allegedly firing at border patrol agents during a Chicago raid.
• Crowd at the scene threw bricks at law enforcement.

Commentary & Analysis

• Reclassification of Protesters:
  "When you're lobbying bricks, you're no longer protesters...that's a riot." – Seamus Coughlin (06:45)

• Rhetoric Escalates Violence:
  Government agents (ICE/DHS) are routinely demonized as "Nazis" or "Gestapo," fueling lawlessness.

  • “The rhetoric surrounding this issue has paved the way for this kind of obstruction and violence to continue...” – Seamus (09:18)

• Law Enforcement's Response:
  Debate on why officers hesitate to engage/defend themselves amid violence.

  • “They don’t want to inflame tensions even further.” – Elad Eliyahu (12:02)
  • “This light touch with protesters and with the left...is not going to work.” – Phil Monte (12:18)

Notable Quotes

• “If you don’t want to get shot, don’t throw rocks at people with guns.” – Seamus (09:14)
• “What inflames and emboldens violent criminals is getting away with it.” – Seamus (14:51)

Policy Frustrations

• Weak law enforcement is emboldening repeat offenders.
• Double standards noted: Swift justice for January 6 participants, but leniency toward left-wing rioters.

2. Policy, Rhetoric, and Lawlessness (19:02 - 23:14)

• Boomerang of Political Narratives:
  Pointing out how leftist talking points ("riots are the language of the unheard") get used selectively, flipped for/against groups after events like Jan 6.

  • “They're saying, we like the rioters. We don't like the people who are opposed to them.”—Seamus (20:18)

• Enforcement: Across the Spectrum:
  Both “establishment” (Shane) and “outsider/conspiracy” (Elad) voices on the panel agree: Those engaging in riotous violence—including brick-throwers—should be arrested and prosecuted.

• “Two people from the complete opposite end of the spectrum…saying these people need to be thrown in prison. Why? Because it’s common sense.” – Seamus (22:39)

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3. Obesity and Immigration Policy (23:50 - 34:27)

• US Considering Visa Denial for Obese Applicants:
  “Foreigners could have their US visas rejected if they are obese.” – Seamus (23:51)

• Panel mocks and debates the rationale—public health burdens, potential for discriminatory overreach.

  • “If the taxpayer is going to pay for your health care, then what you eat...is the business of the taxpayer.” – Phil Monte (25:16)

• American Irony:
  America is fatter than most other countries; panel jokes Americans might have less reason to restrict heavier immigrants.

  • “I think even a fat person from another country might be bringing the weight average down.” – Elad (27:43)

• Personal Responsibility vs. Food System:
  Debate about how much is systemic (food, additives, public health) versus personal (choices, discipline, virtue).

  • “People need to cultivate virtue...not over consumption.” – Seamus (35:49)

Comic Relief

• “We should have a border that’s an American Ninja Warrior course...lose those pounds before they get here.” – Shane Cashman (32:28)

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4. Trump’s Housing & Wealth Proposals (35:48 - 54:45)

50-Year Mortgage Plan

• Trump proposes dramatically lengthening mortgage terms to make homes more “affordable.”
• Panel universally skeptical:
  • “You don’t actually start paying principal on these things for like 30 years...so, you’re just renting the house.” – Dan Dillon (38:37)
  • “For 20 years extra, for like 200 bucks a month savings...that’s insane.” – Seamus (47:49)
• Points raised: Delayed market correction, risk of “debt slavery,” housing cost inflation.

$2,000 Tariff Dividend

• Trump floats dividends/tax breaks funded by tariffs.
• Panel debates short-term political benefits versus long-term inflation and national debt concerns.
  • “Last time we got a stimulus check, we ended up losing like $10,000 in purchasing power.” – Seamus (54:45)
  • “People love free shit.” – Elad (55:02)

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5. Shutdown Politics & Government Dysfunction (59:20–66:03)

• Shutdown Ends After Democratic “Cave”:
  Senate reopens government after Democrats broke ranks; reveals that narrative blaming Republicans was misleading.
  • “It’s almost like they wanted the government open the entire time and it was the Democrats preventing it from happening.” – Seamus (61:32)
• Libertarian vs. Neocon Jabs:
  Libertarians (Rand Paul) get blamed for voting against reopening; libertarian/conservative differences in approach and goals.
• Panel Frustration:
  Both left/right use shutdown theatrics to grandstand; collateral damage for travelers and workers.

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6. Escalating Campus and Protest Violence (68:45–77:36)

• Antifa Attacks TPUSA Event at Berkeley
  Protesters attempt to break down barriers, some arrests made.
  • “You don’t arrest these people, they become emboldened.” – Seamus (70:27)
  • “Anyone in a face mask? Honestly at this point…gone—right to jail.” – Shane (71:22)
• Law Enforcement Paralysis:
  Panel frustrated by fear of bad optics and demotivating political culture for police.
  • “It seems like these days you’re actually demonized for [standing up and doing the right thing].” – Dan Dillon (73:28)
• Strategic Weakness:
  “Only one side is required to play by the rules here.” – Seamus (73:56)
  • Calls for mass arrests and enforcement within the law.

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7. Supreme Court Declines to Rehear Obergefell (Same-Sex Marriage) (79:13–101:19)

• SCOTUS refuses appeal that could overturn the gay marriage precedent.
• Panel split between relief, disappointment, and culture war strategy.
  • “If there’s one institution that shouldn’t worry about optics, it’s the Supreme Court…” – Dan Dillon (82:26)
• Debate over shifting party attitudes, normalization of LGBTQ identity among Republicans, and line-drawing between “big tent” coalition politics and moral principles.
  • “If you allow the Democrats to get back into power, they’re going to start throwing conservatives in jail...they associate Christians with Nazis…” – Phil Monte (94:27)
  • “My self-preservation is rooted in eternity, outside of the material world.” – Shane (94:32)
• Discussion of whether Trump’s pivot on abortion/gay marriage is alienating Christian conservatives.

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Notable & Memorable Moments

• Satirical Wisdom:
  “Dave Ramsey in critical condition after learning a 50 year mortgage.” – Babylon Bee via Dan Dillon (38:37)
• Policy Irony:
  On the fat-visa ban:
  “I will say, you know, this is a little ironic because Americans…are a lot fatter than most on average people from any other country.” – Elad (27:43)
• On Rules of Protest:
  “Every parent, you know, at a certain age, they have to give their child the talk — ‘Don’t throw bricks at police officers’ talk.” – Seamus (17:56)
• Political Realism:
  “We have to do something to make sure young people have a reason to buy into America...There has never been a [generation that] believes in America less.” – Phil Monte (46:21)
• On Law Enforcement Weakness:
  “All these White House social media accounts will post these edgy edits…then they won’t actually step in and enforce the law because they think that’s too inflammatory.” – Seamus (15:13)
• Campus Violence:
  “Round all those people up and they should all go to jail. Like, all of them. They can. They’ve got buses, bring the buses out, wrap them up and put them in jail.” – Phil (71:06)

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• 06:45 — Illegal immigrant shooting & Chicago riot
• 14:51 — Rhetoric, recidivism, law enforcement hesitancy
• 19:02 — Double standards: Jan 6 vs. left-wing riots
• 23:51 — "Visa ban” for fat foreigners, public health/burden debate
• 38:37 — 50-year mortgages; critique & satire
• 47:49 — Debt slavery; practical vs. political solutions
• 54:45 — $2,000 tariff dividend, inflation politics
• 61:32 — Congressional/democratic maneuvering re: shutdown
• 68:45 — Berkeley Antifa violence/riot
• 71:06 — Enforcement paralysis and call for crackdown
• 79:13 — SCOTUS on Obergefell, Republican coalition debate
• 94:27 — Culture war, party identity, and pragmatism

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Tone & Panel Dynamics

• Comedic but sharp, with regular satirical jabs (esp. at government and the left)
• Frequent interruptions and debates—panelists often disagree, especially on coalition-building vs. ideological purity, prioritizing policy vs. politics.
• A blend of policy frustration and dark humor, especially regarding lawlessness, government dysfunction, and the border crisis.
• Regular plugs for crowdfunding, panelists' personal/side projects, and audience participation.
• Candid about intra-movement disagreements—but unified in sense of urgency that “something has to change.”

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Summary Takeaway

This episode delivers a timely, no-holds-barred evaluation of the political and cultural crossroads America faces. The panel sees escalating violence, declining norms, and soft law enforcement—a recipe for repeat rioting and lawlessness. Trump’s policy proposals (long mortgages, checks) are seen as well-meant but ultimately band-aids or worse. Cultural divides are front and center: immigration, obesity, housing, gay marriage, all through a prism of generational disaffection and party transformation.

Panelists agree:

• The rule of law needs reassertion—swift, visible, and confident.
• Weak or optics-obsessed enforcement emboldens bad actors.
• American identity, and the meaning of citizenship, is at stake from the border to the ballot box to the culture wars.

Most importantly:
They urge courage and clarity—from law enforcement, lawmakers, the courts, and everyday Americans—to reestablish order, define values, and secure the future amid chaos.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• You’ll get high-energy, in-depth debate on law, culture, and party identity.
• Sharp, meme-heavy insight—with the panel drawing deep connections between recent headlines and persistent social trends.
• Plenty of classic Timcast IRL banter, but with a pointed edge given the seriousness of the news.

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[Seamus Coughlin]

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[Dan Dillon]

CTO of the Babylon cto.

[Seamus Coughlin]

My apologies.

[Dan Dillon]

Co owner and CTO of the Babylon Bee. My name is Dan Dillon and I'm also the CEO and founder, not the Bee, which is the sister site of the Babylon Bee. That is real news. So basically the news that happened six weeks after the prophecies of the Babylon Be.

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[Seamus Coughlin]

Can you just say like five words about that before? Because I don't think we move on.

[Shane Cashman]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

How long ago is this?

[Shane Cashman]

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[Elad Eliyahu]

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[Phil Monte]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

And of course, pushing the buttons, we got our boy Serge. So first story, illegal Mexican immigrant with a rap sheet arrested for shooting at border patrol agents during a Chicago raid. An illegal immigrant from Mexico was arrested after he allegedly opened fire at border patrol agents during a weekend raid in Chicago which also saw protesters lobbying bricks at the feds. Now here's the thing. Here's the thing. And this is just my personal perspective. New York Post. I think when you're lobbying bricks, you're no longer protesters. I think maybe at that point you graduate into rioter territory. I don't think that throwing bricks at law enforcement is. Depends on a legitimate form of protesting missing.

[Dan Dillon]

Then you're mostly lobbying.

[Shane Cashman]

Sounds like they're playing catch.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly. Like they're just lobbing. That was. I can't remember which outlet it was, but when they were talking about Jay Jones, they said he was musing. He was musing about those children dying. Oh, just musing. Okay. The man who was not identified allegedly drove up alongside agents during an imminent raid in Chicago's little village and fired a few rounds before speeding off. Najeeb. Now, again, I just want to be clear. When a bunch of people show up to the location where a law enforcement raid is going to occur and start throwing bricks at police officers and one of them starts shooting at the police, that is not a protest. That is obstruction of law enforcement, and that is a riot.

[Phil Monte]

That's a gunfight.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's a gunf. At that point, you're absolutely correct.

[Phil Monte]

I want to know why the law enforcement officers were not engaging the suspect.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, good question. I imagine. And I don't know what the logistics of it were. Maybe they were in the crowd and they were afraid of shooting at the crowd with other people in there.

[Phil Monte]

It doesn't stop New York City cops.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And it didn't stop them from murdering Ashley Babbitt. It didn't stop them from murdering Ashley Babbitt.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dan Dillon]

Where did the bricks come from too?

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's a good question.

[Dan Dillon]

I mean, well, these are always. Seems like there's a pile of bricks.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I don't know if you know this, but immigrants built America So they have a lot of bricks to do to continue to do the business of building.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Chicago is falling apart. So there are bricks from the brick buildings falling apart laying around all over it. Like even if you look at in the picture here in the New York Post article, look at that dilapidated building, you could tell like bricks are kind of falling off from the left of that window.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Do you think they're just like taking a pick out of the building and lobbing it?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, like I'm assuming their homes are. They're already falling apart. Like half a brick might be on the floor already. But I think throwing things like rocks or bricks, what is it? It's deadly force, potentially.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Of course, against police officers, they should respond proportionately to the deadly force being brought upon them. If they get hit in the head by one of these bricks, it's not just a scratch. You could die from a brain hemorrhage or what have you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And this is one of the stories that the boomer generation got one shotted by was Kent State. And what they never told you is before those students got shot, they were lobbing rocks. They were literally lobbing rocks. Like, here's a general rule, if you don't want to get shot, don't throw rocks at people with guns. I think that that's necessarily guarantee you don't get shot. But I think if you throw a rock at someone who has a firearm, like the likelihood is they're going to feel a need to defend themselves. Now I also think, of course, a huge part of this is the rhetoric surrounding this issue has paved the way for this kind of obstruction and violence to continue to occur and to worsen. We're told that ICE agents and the people who are trying to enforce immigration law from within our borders are criminals. They even call them Nazis, are Gestapo. And so this is kind of what we should probably expect to see, unfortunately.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sure. They're also saying some of the rhetoric they're using that they're kidnapping these illegal migrants, which I think the rhetoric is crazy. I think this is a successor movement to defunding the police. Defund the police. It's no longer popular. But now they're using all that angst and anger that they had in that movement towards ICE and DHS agents around the country.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think you're totally right because it is the exact same rhetoric. You take something that legitimate law enforcement does and then you apply the label to it that you would apply to it if a citizen who is acting as a vigilante were to engage in that behavior.

[Elad Eliyahu]

People feel emboldened to agitate and prevent DHS and Border Patrol and other ICE agents from doing their, like, lawy prescribed duty. These are law enforcements. They're enforcing the law out here. And it's crazy how often protesters are willing to agitate and get in their way. It's also fascinating that DHS has chosen not to arrest many, if at all, of these agitators. I have seen that they have had DOJ indictments against some elected officials and people who are running for public office. For example, in New Jersey, there's Lamonica McIver. She is a freshman Democrat congresswoman from somewhere in New Jersey. She was blocking one of the ICE facilities and she put her hands on an officer. She was indicted for that. Then there's also Kat Abu Zagala from Chicago, who's running outside Chicago. She also has received an indictment for obstructing justice, allegedly. I need to look up the specific thing that they're indicting her for, but it seems as though you need to be a popular politician or an influencer to get indicted if you're just a regular agitator.

[Dan Dillon]

My favorite was the guy who threw the sandwich. Remember that?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, yeah, he got off.

[Dan Dillon]

He did get off. But they did at least arrest.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I mean, they arrested him, they put him guy. He had to hire a lawyer and defend himself. So I don't know if the process is the punishment here, which I don't agree that the other should be the punishment.

[Seamus Coughlin]

If you're breaking the law, then the punishment should be the punishment.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They can't get to you, then the process is the punishment. Because it's still a bitch to have to go hire a lawyer and the DOJ is coming after you. And I can't imagine it's good for your public record to even have that out there publicly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, why do you think DHS isn't doing enough about this? Why do you think they're not arresting people at the ground?

[Elad Eliyahu]

They don't want to inflame tensions even further. I believe that if they begin arresting people, then, like, the videos going viral will be of them being physical with protesters, and they're fearful that that might agitate them further. This is their way of, like, calming the crowd, if you will, but that.

[Phil Monte]

Is not going to work.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Amen.

[Phil Monte]

And it has not worked. We have. We have evidence in 2020, the summer of 2020, when all the riots were going on, there was literal sea. There was a federal building literally under siege for like 90 days or. And they didn't do anything definitive they didn't do anything to actually stop the siege because they were afraid of the way that it would be perceived. This, this light touch with protesters and with the left. It is not going to work.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No.

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[Phil Monte]

Beautiful Anonymous will not stop. They are going to continue to inflame tensions as much as they can. It is time to for the government, for the federal government to use all of its authority to put an end to this behavior. End it. They have the authority. They have all the authority they need. I'm not talking about doing anything illegal. I'm not talking about hurting people or violating their rights. But you absolutely can arrest people and stop this absolute trash behavior.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I agree. I think what inflames and emboldens violent criminals is getting away with it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

If there's anything we've been taught by.

[Seamus Coughlin]

History and also statistics about recidivism rates, if they get away with it, they keep doing it. And this whole we're just gonna halfway stop that. We're Just gonna half save the country. Right? Because we don't want to offend the people who want to destroy it too much. It doesn't work. It's never gonna work. If you fight, have a revolution, you dig your own grave. And so we're telling these people they can continue to do what they're doing by not enforcing the law thoroughly. And I totally agree with you. A, the left never felt a need to take this approach with the right. They were going after grannies who wandered into the Capitol after a police officer opened the door for them on January 6th. But secondly, we're getting the worst with the worst of both worlds, where it feels like a lot of these White House social media accounts will post these edgy edits, which I think are funny. Right? But they are inflammatory to a degree. But then they won't step in and enforce the law because they think that's too inflammatory. So they're doing things to kind of like rally the troops and get us pumped up. Dude, I don't want to see another edit made by some zoomer with heavy bass playing while people get arrested. I want you to actually go out and arrest the people who are breaking the law. Because that video is going to be a great memory for me when the left takes over because you didn't do enough. And now we're all locked in prison for standing up for the truth and freedom.

[Phil Monte]

They are behaving as if the left is going to have something new to accuse them of. As if the left is not already calling them Nazis. As if the left is not already accusing of them. Them of being terrorists, literally. I saw someone tweeting that the DHS was acting like terrorists. Doesn't matter what they say. And you should not take into account how they are going to respond one bit, because they're already doing it. This is something that we. This is an argument we make here on the show all the time. You cannot worry about the fact that the Democrats or the left are going to say X because they're already saying it. You can't worry about what the Democrats are gonna do if you do something, because they're already gonna do something worse when they get into power again. You need to exercise power and you need to stop this behavior. That is what the government is in is. That's what the mandate the government has is supposed to do. They're supposed to make sure that this behavior is not allowed to continue to metastasize across the country.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think, Sorry, you haven't had gotten much of a chance to talk and you were gonna say something?

[Dan Dillon]

No, I was just gonna say. I mean, I was raised. I don't know how you guys were raised, but I was raised to not throw things at police officers. And my expectation in the United States would be that if you did, you would get arrested and it would be serious. But it seems like anything revolving around immigration and the enforcement of immigration laws for some reason is just handled in a different way. Right. Like, I mean, seriously, throwing a brick at a police officer or any. It's.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, I never had to be told that. I was never told by my parents. Were never told that was brakes at police officers.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I'm glad you never did it. You know, my parents are very specific. You know, well, this is what happened.

[Shane Cashman]

Really fast from the cops.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, this is what's normal, is every parent, you know, they know at a certain age, they have to give their child the talk. Don't throw bricks at police officers talk, because.

[Dan Dillon]

Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

People will just do that. Unless they're.

[Shane Cashman]

Phil's right. I mean, these people were rewarded all throughout the summer of 2020.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

They got their politicians. Kamala's people were donating bail money to arsonists. We saw people get shot in the head, you know, and people were celebrating the death. So you have to show force and.

[Dan Dillon]

You help protect the New York City thing where they beat the cop and then they just get released the next. And it's like, if I beat a cop, I would not be released the next day. Right. No, but I'm. I'm a. And I'm an American citizen here legally. And all this other stuff, you. I don't understand why it's.

[Shane Cashman]

You'll be a terrorist. They're freedom fighters.

[Seamus Coughlin]

People who were not even at January 6th were charged with conspiracy. And one of the emotionally manipulative tactics the left used throughout the entire persecution of their political enemy process was. Well, you know, there were police officers who were harmed on January 6th.

[Dan Dillon]

Bricks.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's like, oh, yeah, you guys care so much about law enforcement. People are literally throwing bricks at cops. And you're sitting there going like, well, it's civil disobedience. They're fascists.

[Shane Cashman]

How many Feds were at J.6?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Shane Cashman]

275.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, here's.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Here's not. Take away from the patriots who are protesting the unfairly stolen election at January 6th based. Yeah, no, I feel like we like to whitewash. You know, that was. The. Those riots were really the voice of the unspoken. What was the MLK line?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, the mlk, exactly. He says writing is the language.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The unheard is the language of the unheard. At January 6th, it was. I hate when people try to, you know, sugarcoat this as feds. No, this was a patriot organized riot, essentially. As somebody who covered it.

[Shane Cashman]

I saw patriots stopping agitators on video. Who in those agitators, I believe, are feds who were smashing windows and people who were there to protest. Actually protest. Not what these guys are doing. Were telling them, don't do that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I'm going with MLK on this one.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Fed, Fed.

[Shane Cashman]

MLK was a communist. Shouting, that's a mistake.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Fed. Fed.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Everyone point at Eli and yell, Fed.

[Shane Cashman]

MLK was a communist, a philanderer.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, here's the other thing, too. After the 2020 riots, what did we hear? Every single day as buildings were being burnt down and people were being murdered, and you'd see videos of people crying on camera. Why are you doing this? Why are you destroying the business I work my whole life to build? These pundits would get on television and they all go, riots are the language of the unheard. It's because. Because we are not listening to these people.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And then they were listening to the patriots talking about the election being stolen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And that was the language of the unheard.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But then. Well, this is so funny because they kept saying, the reason these riots are happening is because we're not listening to them. And then January 6th happens and they go, the reason those riots happen is because we were listening to them. We need to shut all these people down, kick them off social media, throw these people in jail. So the whole thing's nonsense. It's ultimately just their friend, enemy distinction. They're saying, we like the rioters. We don't like the people who are opposed to them. When those rioters are on our side, it has nothing to do with tactics. So it's unfortunate. It's horrifying. And the last question I have before we move on to our policy expert, Shane, who's, you know, he's. Shane, as you guys know, is a think tank guy. Spent a lot of time and the halls of academia working with these prestigious institutions. I just want to ask you.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, think tank, and he said Shane.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Is very much like an establishment guy is what I'm trying to say. Shane is like our establishment voice piece.

[Shane Cashman]

I get that a lot. Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And so I want to hear, what is your policy prescription? What would you do about this, about people throwing bricks at cops?

[Shane Cashman]

Oh, man. Well, the people throwing bricks at cops, they got to go to jail. I mean, take them away. They were A lot of these people are radicalized in the universities. When I was in college, as a professor, of course.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

And as a student, I saw Marxist ideology being bashed. These kids were being bashed over the head with it. They were saying, communist China is great. The. The Cultural Revolution is a good thing. You have to tear down the old institutions to put in your new institution. And they hate capitalism. They hate anything that goes against their cult. So these people think they're doing the right thing. Like I'm saying, they think they're the freedom fighters. They think they're the heroes. And they're also bloodthirsty because they do. Look at the Cultural Revolution, a good thing. Which was an insane bloodbath. Right. Chopping heads off of people who were speaking out against the establishment there.

[Phil Monte]

They're the modern Jacobins.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. So you think they need to be arrested, locked up, if they're doing stuff.

[Shane Cashman]

Like, of course I'm all for protesting, but this is rioting.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I agree.

[Shane Cashman]

If you're terrorizing citizens and you're hurting police, you know, you got to. You got to be punished for sure.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I agree. So. And this is coming from our, like.

[Shane Cashman]

Is that a good establishment?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, the reason I want to ask you. So I'm asking the establishment guy now, as you all know, we have Eli, who's like kind of an outsider. He doesn't trust the institutions into conspiracy theory. Really is always talking the moon is fake, thinks the moon is fake. And the Fed. We never went there. Eli, to someone on the opposite end of the spectrum, what do you think needs to happen to people who throw bricks at police officers?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I think they need to be arrested, detained, and then held to the fullest extent of the law, which is crazy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So we have two people from complete opposite end spectrum with respect to approach who are saying these people need to be thrown in prison. Why? Because it's common sense. People throwing bricks at cops need to go to jail. This is insane. Why do we have to talk about.

[Shane Cashman]

I was saying that all through 2020, like, there should have been more to take these people off the streets and said we saw. I was in New York still near Newburgh, New York, and there were people bashing in windows, going crazy. And that city is so captured by a lot of leftist ideology. The small businesses who were destroyed, had their windows bashed out, would put up plywood the next day, saying, we forgive you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, my gosh.

[Shane Cashman]

And that wasn't unique to just Newburgh, New York. That was. You could see that all across the country.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And before the protests, they were putting up signs saying like we support blm please.

[Phil Monte]

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[Shane Cashman]

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[Seamus Coughlin]

Don't break my window, please. Literally my window. Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Black lives still matter.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, exactly. Goodness gracious. Well, speaking of this very contentious issue of immigration and illegal immigration, this illegal alien invasion and keeping foreigners who break the law off of our streets. There, there may be some illegals who were not showing up to the protests who were less likely to on account of their weight. And Donald Trump's actually calling them out specifically. I'm curious which specific problems is going to solve. Maybe it's a question about maintaining our health care system. But the short of it is the US May deny visas for fat foreigners. A memo sent to embassy. I'm sorry to embassy says health conditions should be taken into consideration when processing applications. Foreigners could have their US visas rejected if they are obese. Interesting. I do think it's the state. Oh, sorry. I just want to. I just want to read one more, one more sentence here. The State Department said conditions that could cause an additional burden on the state could be grounds to refuse a visa application. And I'm not sure if you guys saw, but Donald Trump referred to high calorie persons, which I thought was a great way of putting it. I wish he busted that out in 2016. I wish he busted that out in 2016. High calorie Hillary, no way she can win, they say. Too big to fail. Well, she failed at winning that election. But what were you gonna say, Phil?

[Phil Monte]

I do think that it is acceptable to have some policies just because it's funny.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, yeah. I think being fat should be illegal.

[Phil Monte]

I mean, look, if, if you know that there are people that are going to consistently be screaming for Medicare for All. If Medicare for All is going to be a thing, then all of your nutrition decisions are public policy.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I just want to.

[Phil Monte]

That is an undeniable fact. If the government, if the taxpayer is going to pay for your health care, then the food that you eat is the business of the taxpayer. Now, I'm against This entirely. I'm against, against single payer health care. I'm against the government being involved in what you put into your body. But, but if this is something that the people are going to demand, then the people are going to have a say in how much you sit on your ass and don't do anything. The people are going to have a say in what you have in your refrigerator. That is unquestionable. That is going to happen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I just think that this is lazy law enforcement because they know they're going to be easy to catch. They're like, we have to deport them. It's not going to be very hard. The transportation might be a little more difficult getting them out of the country, but it'll be easy to round them up. Pun intended.

[Shane Cashman]

We're going to bigger like vehicles.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The other, the other point I wanted to make here too is you're absolutely right. Listen, if you're going to come to our country because you receive health care benefits, which they do. This is part of why we were talking about the shutdown. If they get temporary protected status or even if they entered illegally, they're declared to have been here legally. Noncitizens can collect health care and they can receive some of these benefits. When people are overweight, they're an extra. They're an additional burden on the health care system.

[Phil Monte]

This is something that that future mayor Mamdani made remarks about in his speech. There is no issue too small for the government to care about. He said that in his, in his acceptance speech the other night.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And these people are big.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah, they are. But the point that he was making is the government will have a say in every part of your life. That is not something that is up for debate. That is not something that we're gonna question. If the left has their way and if the government is going to say, oh, we're going to provide you with this, with health care and health, you know, with a Medicare for all. They are going to be involved in what you eat. They're going to be telling you citizen, you have not done enough exercise, et cetera, et cetera.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Now. Yeah, what do you think of this, Elad?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I will say this. I don't necessarily degree with laws on, disagree with laws on principle. But I do think it is a little bit ironic because America on average are a lot fatter than most on average people of any other country.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You want us to get bigger? You want to make that problem worse.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But I think even a fat person from another country might be bringing the weight average down Moreover, Americans have the highest per capita health spending among high income nations and still have the worst health outcomes. So it's just ironic. If other countries were to start advancing legislation like this, it would probably hurt Americans a whole lot. So I just think it's a little bit ironic from that point of view because we are very fat Americans and, and I talk more trash about fat Americans, but there are probably a lot of fat Americans in our audience and I don't want to. You're bigger than you already have, I think. Do you understand that we're.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't think it's ironic. Yeah, but that would make more sense for why we want to limit it. It's like if we had a bunch of people who were suffering from some other.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, but it's like a made up issue. I don't think this is a real issue.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You don't think it's a real issue?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think Americans that overweight people, I.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Think more in taxpayer money for the health insurance they, they do.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But I think it's a, I don't think this is what's burdening our health care system. It's fat Americans who are burdening our health care systems, unfortunately. And I'll say that as somebody who's a little bit overweight myself, I could afford to lose a few pounds, but this, you know, stopping more. Yeah, I don't disagree with, you know, principle.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You just wanted to take what to call your fellow Americans. Still ironic because you wanted to take.

[Elad Eliyahu]

A moment for health outcomes and like, you know, this is a part of the bigger picture too because we, you know, the issue with having a single payer health care system or having Obamacare or what have you is that our costs are so high. Why are, why are our costs so high? It's because Americans are so unhealthy generally. Why are Americans so unhealthy? Because we're so fat. We're really fat. So I feel like we're pointing the finger at some other countries. It's like, yeah, you can't get in here, but it's like we're a fat dude.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Fat shaming. Or that this is just reasonable. I want to hear the guest because he hasn't had much to.

[Dan Dillon]

The only reason that, that our health care costs are so high is not just because we are unhealthy, but it's also because we have so many immigrants in our country that are going to the emergency rooms and using our health care system, whether they're actually collecting Medicare or not. They're in the emergency rooms. They're getting, you know, care before we are. And in reality, you know, like these, a person who's coming in, who's significantly obese, you know, they're going to come in and use that health care significantly more than.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't disagree with you. I think two things can be true at once, though. Illegal immigration burdens our health care system. Americans being generally unhealthy, morbidly obese, very overweight, 100%. We're known for being.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Listen, man, if you're a little bit.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is what leads to more unhealthy outcomes, which leads us to have the worst health outcomes despite spending the most per capita. And look, we love to eat here. Everything's bigger in Texas. You know, we love our Texas barbecue and whatnot. We love our fast food. And there, there's consequences for that. But it feels like we're pointing the finger at, you know, fat foreigners. When we're fattering in many ways ourselves.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We can do whatever we want. I, because I can have a preference for my own people. If someone has a couple extra patriot pounds on their body, they're a little bit overweight.

[Elad Eliyahu]

But look, potatoes are dense. Dense calorically.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I, and I am.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Potatoes are very calorie dense. And if you eat too many, you know, and you fry them and one thing could lead to another.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And all I'm saying is a couple extra patriot pounds, even though you're right, it might burden our healthcare system. Those are Americans. Yeah, those are Americans.

[Elad Eliyahu]

We shouldn't accept fatties. I don't disagree. We shouldn't accept fatties, but we also need to deal with the domestic fatties.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So you love RFK's policies about getting rid of some of these unhealthy additives.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't know if that's what's making us so fat.

[Phil Monte]

A lot.

[Seamus Coughlin]

A lot.

[Tim Pool]

Trump.

[Shane Cashman]

Trump's passing out Ozempic now, so it's going to be fine.

[Dan Dillon]

You bring them in.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I think there will be medical consequences to Ozempic, but if, yeah, it's a reptile by the issues of obesity. I think it's a, it's a trade off. Like what's worth the worst. The side effects of Ozempic. Are you being 200 pounds overweight? We have the scientific evidence, love that being 200 pounds overweight is extremely detrimental to your health. So that's the, the, you know, the pros and cons that people have to weigh when taking these drugs. I will say, Trump, RX did just try to reduce the costs of all of these drugs. All of these GLP1 inhibitors so called drugs. I'm against for diabetes.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm against Ozempic, but that's another story.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Okay, nice.

[Dan Dillon]

Well, I was just saying if these people managed to get so overweight before coming to the United States, I can't imagine what's going to happen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Also I was going to say get.

[Dan Dillon]

Here and start eating Popeyes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Maybe the ditch. The, the wall has to have an entrance that's a little. So you really have to squeeze through it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Wait, we were like, we're ACA compliant everywhere across the United States. You could be gigantic. You could require three doors. And it feels like we will really accommodate anything no matter how fat you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Are or our fellow American.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Fellow Americans.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm allowed to prefer my fellow.

[Shane Cashman]

I've been trying to start a petition.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm fat phobic across the board. It doesn't matter if you are a foreigner.

[Shane Cashman]

I've been trying to start a petition for the border to be an American Ninja War warrior course so they can actually do some work, you know, lose those pounds before they get here.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And really I want a moat. I don't want them to get over.

[Shane Cashman]

Well, moat's fine too.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Emote.

[Shane Cashman]

Plus that.

[Phil Monte]

What do you think the Rio Grande is?

[Elad Eliyahu]

It's not enough. Clearly enough.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Great answer. You're talking.

[Phil Monte]

You want an ocean then, is what you want.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, well, there's. There is one more thing I want to mention about this as. As far as the healthcare system goes, Elad, where I do agree with you and where you are correct is that we have a very unique health situation in the United States. People are very unhealthy because of what we're eating, because of what's in our food. And oftentimes people will say, how is it that the United States has such expensive health care even though it's a private market? Well, guess why. Like it's not. If you have. The AC is a big part of it, actually. But if you have a country where people have these chronic health issues because our food is very, very bad, then of course health care costs are just going to be much higher.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You blame the food?

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think the food's a big part of it. And I'm not, I'm not just blaming the food. I do think over consumption is a real issue as well. I'm not saying it's completely out of people's hands and it's nobody's fault when they, they gain weight or become overweight. Not making that argument. But what I am saying is we do have an obesity crisis that is going to make health care more expensive. And I'm so sick and tired of people pointing to some small country with like a couple million people and they're all in great shape and saying their health care is really cheap. It must be because they have a public private system that mandates purchasing within the insurance marketplace or they have a single payer system. Whatever. I'm like, I don't think that's why I'm jealous. Yeah, I'm super jealous. Also, one more thing I'll point out before we move on. Almost no one in the world has single payer. There are many universal healthcare systems. Almost nobody has single payer. So let's say we need to go to single payer so we can solve this crisis and we can get people insured. Countries with universal health care systems almost always have some form of a private market that the state mandates you to purchase from or that they'll redistribute tax money for you to purchase from. That's not the same as single payer.

[Elad Eliyahu]

One last tidbit on this. I think there's a balance between, like, like there are a lot of things that are making people obese in our country nowadays. I think people are blaming it too much on the food. You can count your calories. I think people need to take more personal responsibility when it comes to their weight. It's not just you could find and eat the correct foods and not be fat. You could count your calories to not be fat and you could exercise, you could do 10,000, 10,000 steps a day and choose the correct diet and not be fat. You're not, we're not forced into this. There isn't crazy food out there that's forcing you to be fat. We're not force feeding you.

[Phil Monte]

Hold on. You're correct. But I do want to point out if you have an improper diet, if you have a bad diet, you are not going to be able to do enough cardio, enough exercise to defeat that diet. You cannot cardio away 4,5000 calories a day.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah. I just think people have endless excuses for being fat every day. Every time I talk to a fat person, there's a new BS excuse. It's like, oh, it's in the food. Oh, I don't have enough time to cook my own meals. Oh, I don't know how it happens. Oh, I have a slow metabolism, you know, like, oh, you won't choose to make better decisions again.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You are taking every opportunity to jump back into another fat phobic rant.

[Phil Monte]

Eli, what if we're just that phobia is the attitude to have. Fat phobia is the correct attitude to have.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This is maha all right.

[Shane Cashman]

Like the proper maha.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I think at the end of.

[Shane Cashman]

The day now it is what it shouldn't be.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think at the end of the day we could all agree on is even though our food supply is terrible and something needs to be done about it, people need to cultivate virtue. People need to live their lives in a way that prioritizes moderation and not over consumption. I'm trying to create a show that I think is going to help distill some of these values and people go to twisted plots.com help us get funded. Next story. Trump has made a relatively controversial statement here. I'm curious to hear how everyone at this table thinks about it. Trump proposes a 50 year mortgage plan as housing costs more. The plan would lower and elongate the monthly payments needed to buy a home. The American dream may have just gotten a five decade payment plan. This is from ABC News. President Trump. President Donald Trump, excuse me, has suggested creating a new 50 year mortgage plan as a way to encourage young people to buy real estate. According to a post on his true social platform, the US Director of Federal Housing Bill also replied on X. I'm sorry, yeah. The director of Federal Housing replied on X saying that the agency was working to institute the new housing proposition. Thanks to President Trump, we are indeed working on the 50 year mortgage. A complete game changer. Well, I agree that it's a game changer for sure. It's a little bit vague how it's going to change the game. I don't think it's going to change the game in a way that helps Americans. What people don't realize is before the Great Depression happened, mortgages generally were less than 10 years in term, usually around five years. And what happened was you put down 50% of the money and it was a balloon payment. So you only paid interest throughout that loan term. And then when it matured, you had to either have the rest of the 50% that the property was valued at or that that you owed the bank in order to pay it off or you had to create another deal with the bank, which is what most people did. You had to refinance or you lost the house. Now most people would just refinance indefinitely. And then the Great Depression hit and then a bunch of people lost their houses. So the government started meddling in the housing market. And with the New Deal, we got the FHA and a number of different Ways that we've sort of regulated home lending now. Since that time, the price of a house, adjusted for inflation, it's done something like four to five times the numbers. It's multiplied around four to five times, accelerating. Yeah. And people can say, well, houses today are way better than they were at that time. They're larger. And sure, you can make the argument that they're larger. I don't think the construction materials are as good, but let's just say houses really are that much better. Well, in the private marketplace, basically everything has gotten better without exploding. Four to five times in price. So what happens is when you expand people's borrowing power, they are able to afford a larger house because they're only paying it off in small snippets at a time. And then eventually what happens is you bring prices up. So I'm curious what all of you think about that, if anyone disagrees with me and how you feel about Trump trying to institute this.

[Dan Dillon]

I think the 50 year mortgage is insane. I think that, that, you know, I, I firmly believe that we should be empowering people to make good decisions in their lives. I think that a 50 year mortgage is a really bad decision. I think that when you look at the amortization schedule for a 50 year mortgage, like, you don't actually start paying principal on these things for like 30 years. What, so you get to the 30 year point before you even actually start paying principal. So you're just renting the house. I mean, you don't actually own the house, but Babylon Bee, I, I had to share this because we, we published it this morning. One of our headlines is Dave Ramsey in critical condition after learning a 50 year mortgage. And I feel it. This is not one of those things. There are a lot of things Trump does where I'm like, I voted for that. I voted for that. This is not one of those things. It's just like, this just seems unnecessary. We're putting people in worse financial situations. You're not actually owning the home. There's something about passing these things down to future generations and stuff like that too.

[Shane Cashman]

It's more debt slavery, more debt, more people.

[Dan Dillon]

Just the entitled but American becomes more entitled.

[Phil Monte]

Just to steel me in the argument, right? Not that I'm for it, but just because I want people to kind of think about the entirety of the situation. The goal is to get young people into houses that they can afford. And ostensibly the plan would be you get into this house, you start paying for it, and then you refinance for a shorter term when you become established when you financially have more resources, you have a better job, what have you. And, and I think that, I don't think that this is a good idea. I think that this will end up with a ton of, of bad, negative externalities. But I do think that the idea to try to come up with means for people to, for young people to own homes is better than doing nothing. And the reason I say that is because right now young people have no reason to buy into a capitalist society. Right? They don't. If you assets, you have no money, you have nothing but debt. You're gonna look at your situation, you're gonna say capitalism doesn't work. You're say that our system of property rights. I own no property, so I, so I don't, I don't have rights, I.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Have no buy in.

[Phil Monte]

Exactly. So you have, so they have to do something. And again, I'm not saying that this is the proper solution.

[Dan Dillon]

If your goal was just to get people into it and this is, this is true, it's kind of just arbitrary. Well, it stops you at 50 years. Why not do 100?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Dan Dillon]

I mean, you're not going to live in the house in 50 years. You're not, it's not going to last.

[Seamus Coughlin]

50 years with the way they're building new construction.

[Dan Dillon]

So it' like where do you stop? It is a 200 year mortgage. It's like there's, if that is really the goal, then 50 years doesn't seem like long enough. Just make it as cheap as possible.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I agree. I just want to, before you jump in a lot, I want to respond to you because I agree that this is probably being approached by Trump and some others around him with good intentions. I certainly don't disagree with that. The problem is it's not like you're going to be taking housing costs where they are and spreading that over 50 years. People are going to have more purchasing power, so the houses are going to get more expensive. That's the issue. And people are going to feel as if they can afford the house when it actually is truly unaffordable for them because it's spread out over such a long loan term. And then on top of that, you're not going to get the much needed market correction of housing coming back down in price, which is difficult for the economy in the short run. But if we want young people to be able to buy into the economy to have houses, to own property, it's necessary. And this would only stave it off. We would just be throwing a band aid on the Problem that would make young people debt slaves instead of giving them the opportunity to purchase houses and a more reasonable loan term at a more reasonable price. But Eli, you were going to say something.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah. So I'm a neocon and not an economist, but so maybe one of you guys can correct me.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Economist.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It highly depends on what the interest rate will be. Right. For these 50 year mortgages because it's different for those versus like a 15 year mortgage, right?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

If it's super low of an interest rate, hypothetically, I think it could make more sense. I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever, I don't know. Property tax percent is a pipe dream, but a decade ago they had 2% percent interest rates on some of these 15 year mortgages, I believe. So if they could get them that low, then I think they could make sense otherwise. I generally agree with you guys.

[Shane Cashman]

Property taxes are also robbery. I mean in New York, in New York before we left, it was like 18 grand for like 2 acres in upstate New York.

[Guest/Caller]

Right.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's insane. Dude.

[Dan Dillon]

You, you're getting taxed on your income and then you're having to buy a house and you pay tax when you purchase the home and then you're, you're being taxed continuously every single year on the purchase that you made tax money. I mean, it's just, that's sickening.

[Seamus Coughlin]

One thing I'll say, and here's where I'll disagree with you a lot, let's say that you do have a very low interest rate that carries with it even though there's less. Even though that sort of solves the problem of the person being a slave to the bank with respect to how much interest they're paying over the course of the 50 years. It exacerbates the problem of them having more purchasing power because the lower the interest rates are and the more purchasing power you have, the, the more the market is going to skyrocket. So even if you're only paying 2%, houses would just explode in value because of that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, money would be cheaper.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yep.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Therefore, people would demand more to be inflationary too.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

One thing on property taxes, as I understand local governments are largely funded by those property taxes and wouldn't have anywhere else to like siphon that money from. So I like, I largely disagree. Like I'm pissed off when if I'd have to pay property tax, I don't, I rent. But like that's what it goes to funding also, I think. And that's like most of the schools.

[Shane Cashman]

Are funded public schools, which, which are an issue.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sure. But I mean, I don't want to.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't want to fund public schools.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Public schools.

[Dan Dillon]

And the other thing, I would say.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That'S how the system is set up.

[Dan Dillon]

Just to respond to you too, I, I mean, I'm, I'm not a banker, but I believe that the way the whole system is set up is that the shorter the term, the lower the interest rates, not, not vice versa. I don't believe that these would have low interest rates. Yeah, I think these would have higher interest rates than 30 year mortgages. Yeah, significantly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I think so too.

[Dan Dillon]

Because you just hide it because, and.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Then because also you got to consider the bank is saying, I will do like I am giving this money out for 50 years. In order to be able to keep up with inflation across that time period, they would need a massive interest rate. So I think it would just be an insanely high interest rate. Yeah, I don't think it would be a good situation. And what you mentioned about property taxes, funding local governments, this is part of the issue with the way our system set up today. It's completely upside down. In theory, the way things should be is your highest tax burden should be for your local community and it should not be that high, should probably even be lower than it is now. But the idea that the majority of your taxed income goes to the federal government is completely insane. Like, realistically, your tax money should be going to the things in your immediate vicinity that actually improve your life to a measurable degree. And then the people, you know, hundreds of miles away in Washington, they should be getting like maybe pennies on the dollar with respect to how much your tax, maybe if that, hey, penny on the dollar for those functions. But of course, it's completely backwards. You're working something like what, one out of five days out of your work year just for the government. So one day out of your entire week is literally just for your federal taxes. Taxes. It's, it's backwards. It's totally upside down. Totally upside down. But I'm curious, does anyone have anything else to say about this issue before we move on to another story here?

[Elad Eliyahu]

So are you going to buy a crib with the 50 year?

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I'm thinking, I'm thinking I want to finance as much as possible with the 50 year mortgage and I'm actually waiting for the 50 year Uber eats loan so that I can just start putting those payments off.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Down payment on dinner.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly. I think what we should do is we should have an economy where people are in, as in debt as possible for as long as possible. What do you think, Phil?

[Phil Monte]

I think that any, I think that anything that the federal government does to try to alleviate the suffering of young people, the economic suffering of young people right now is a good thing for the country because there are so many people that no longer believe in America.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Phil Monte]

Young people do not believe in our system. And it is because of the behavior of that the banking industry and the government has has had for the past 15 years, ever since the 2008 crash. The government has been, and actually no before that, but it's become acute. Since the 2008 crash. The government has behaved incredibly irresponsibly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I completely agree.

[Phil Monte]

So we have to do something as a society. Like our government has to do something because they're the ones that have the, the, the levers of power. They have to do something to make sure that young people have a reason to buy into America. There has never been a. Believes in America less, believes in our system less. And so we need to do something to, to ameliorate their problems, to, to help them, to give them a reason to believe in America.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm with Phil. Like I, I don't agree with this policy, but I, I know people can't afford houses right now. They don't think they can have a family and there's just widespread suffering. So I want to see those people get help and getting a house could help you build a community and all those things.

[Dan Dillon]

The other thing though is, I mean, I agree that we should be making efforts to make things easier on young people to live the American dream. But like here's a 30 year mortgage versus a 50 year mortgage on a $410,000 house. 6.5 interest rate on 30 year, $3200 a month payment. 7% interest on a 50 year is a 3088amonth payment. So I mean you're $120 a month. That's not.

[Seamus Coughlin]

For 20 years extra 20 years of your life to be owned by a think dude for like 200 bucks a month. It's insane. That's insane.

[Dan Dillon]

That's not, that's not helping the person. That's not.

[Shane Cashman]

The policy's not.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I want the 3,000 year mortgage.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah, let's do here, here's what I think should happen. We should do a generational mortgage, the 3,000 year mortgage. We'll call it the millennia of the mortgage. And what will happen is you'll borrow it from the bank and if you can't Pay it off and your descendants can't pay it off by the time you're dead. They'll just upload your brain to neural link and you'll work on spreadsheets for a couple millennium for like, you know, $75 a week until the loan is eventually paid off.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Better than the system in China, which allegedly is. I think you can only do 99 year leases on land, not even property.

[Phil Monte]

You don't own any.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So you. At least we still have the property rights here.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You can do a 99 year lease.

[Dan Dillon]

On the land, pay your property taxes. You don't actually own it, they take it away from you, so you don't actually own it.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah, but I mean that to be fair. Just, just again. So, so we're, we're. Everyone's on the same page. Property taxes are not a federal thing. Property taxes are state by state. So it depends on what state you're in and the amount that you're going to pay depends on a.

[Shane Cashman]

Is way more than West Virginia.

[Phil Monte]

Yes, way, way more considering.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, but I mean thankfully West Virginia compared to New York. I mean the services in New York are a lot better than.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm talking about upstate New York. West Virginia is a lot better than New York.

[Phil Monte]

But again now this policy might not be the right solution in every way.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Freeway, not in per capita. I mean to begin with, not an income per capita at least. This is one of the poorest states.

[Shane Cashman]

In terms of freedom. It's a great state. I like that.

[Dan Dillon]

Well, and free to have money. Suggesting that we take away all property taxes, which would be great, great. I don't know how we'll keep police officers around, but.

[Phil Monte]

Oh, I mean it'll just be sales tax or it'll be, it'll be state income tax or something like that. You don't have to have property tax in New Hampshire where I'm from, you don't have like my property tax is quote unquote high. It's not actually high compared to like Massachusetts. I have like 50 acres and I pay you know, a few thousand dollars more than my mom who has like not even a full acre. But, but the point is like in New Hampshire there's no sales tax, there's no income tax, but the property taxes are high. So it's. It, the government will get the funding, state governments will get the funding that they need to function somehow. And I, some people say hey, you know, maybe a sales tax or an income tax. Personally, I think things like sales tax and consumption tax are the best of the. Of A bad guide options because if you didn't have property tax, then you actually do own your property. The government can't take it away without going to court or what have you. And then I think that an income tax, a state income tax or a federal income tax, I think that those are bad because they're literally taxing you for generating economic activity. Whereas if you have a sales tax when you, you can decide not to engage in.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Phil Monte]

Exchange. But the point, I think the broad point that I want to kind of push back, push on again is the government has to do something about the fact that there is an entire generation like not kidding around, like a whole generation. You think that millennials are, you know, fond of socialism. There's a. Even Gen Z, the people on the right are fond of socialism. Right. They'll be right leaning. But they're going to be National Socialists. Right. They're going to be nationalists and socialists. They're going to say the government should take care of us. And maybe the government should take care of only people that look like me, but it's still the government.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Shane is always saying to me just non stop. He's always telling me that, don't leak those texts.

[Guest/Caller]

Okay?

[Seamus Coughlin]

He says he's. No, but he says only people who look. He's like, says only people who look like me. But I'm quoting him literally.

[Shane Cashman]

He's only the Irish.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Only people like you, Seamus, only you should be cared for.

[Dan Dillon]

Well, another thing that will help, help that just not to stay on this story for too long. But I mean immigration affects this significantly too. I mean a lot of the people who are taking these FHA loans and things like that and getting into houses and driving the cost of, of homes up are not Americans.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Dan Dillon]

So there's two things that you can do. You can A limit. Limit immigration the way that you're actually supposed to enforce our border. Get the people out of here that aren't supposed to be here.

[Seamus Coughlin]

B.

[Dan Dillon]

What something that I would be strongly encouraging would be to bring down down our debts and to make things more affordable for people is if you have foreign interests owning land in the United States, they should be taxed at a much higher rate.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I would totally agree. And I, I like what you were saying, Phil. I think I tend to agree that a consumption tax, a tariff, things like that, where there's actual economic activity occurring which is then taxed makes more sense to me than taxing someone based on how much wealth they have. Because frankly we tax people based on how much they earn. Earn. But the Amount that you earn doesn't actually say all that much about your lifestyle. It's a question of how you choose to spend that money. So if you. If you have that money and you're behaving virtuously with it, you're saving it or you're investing it instead of going out and, you know, indulging in luxuries.

[Dan Dillon]

You should have the freedom to do that.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. So I think it's a. I think it's bad to tax someone just for having the money. I think it's crazy. But even though I think it's bad to tax the money, I'm impossible to please, I also think it's bad when they give money back to us. Aren't I so cheeky because Trump says he'll issue $2,000 tariff dividends to all.

[Phil Monte]

If they do lower them. It's a little inflationary, and Serge actually could speak to that better than I can. But anytime the government just writes checks, I think that that's a bad thing. Especially when you're dealing with the federal government being so insolvent and having so much debt.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah, that could be something. You talk about being insolvent, having where the money could go, but a lot of things could go a lot places. And I think at this point where people are struggling with money, any money in their pockets. Great. And I was actually surprised when I saw it because I was like, wow, that's a good idea. He's going to use the money from the tariffs we're making that everyone complains about. He's actually using that against them, saying, oh, well, tariffs are bad for small businesses. Okay, well, if you're a small business that makes under this amount of money, here's 2,000 bucks for it. I guarantee you're not going to be annoyed by it. Yeah, 2,000 bucks is. Is not that much money, which is totally true. Shane is completely right on that. But I think that, yeah, yeah, any.

[Shane Cashman]

Little bit helps right now because the economy is bad, everything's expensive, gas is going up already again.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, well, and here's the thing. Part of me is curious if this has to do with Trump wanting to curry some favor with the American people as we're getting closer towards midterms. Maybe this is a check that would be sent out around the time when those elections were occurring. I have no idea.

[Shane Cashman]

Come out with a ballot.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I don't think this is going to be good for inflation. One thing I will mention is that, is that we were told on air that the $2,000 dividend could come in a lot of forms. You know, it could just be the tax decreases that we are seeing on the President's agenda. No tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security, deductibility of auto loans. So again, this is all from ABC News. Honestly, man, it sounds like they're sort of trying to back their way out of it with that. Well, you know, it could come in the form of no tax on tips or no tax on overt or no tax on Social Security. Very possible. I have no idea. I think just giving everyone a $2,000 check is probably not a good idea, especially considering how horribly in debt we are. Also, last time we got a stimulus check, we ended up losing like $10,000 in purchasing power on average.

[Dan Dillon]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So probably not the best trade, short term, trade offs.

[Dan Dillon]

I don't, I don't like. And he says only for wealthy Americans. What's the definition of wealthy? Does it say in there?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah. I'm curious because he said wealthy, but I don't know if there was any specific cutoff list listed.

[Dan Dillon]

Okay.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I agree with what you were saying there, Seamus. Like, if the debt is such a big issue, then it seems like giving out 2,000, $2,000 to each American might not seem like the best idea. However. However telling people, telling voters, the electorate, that you'll give them money can incentivize them to support you and your preferred candidates. Yeah, well, I do think there's a political aspect to this. I think there's a reason why. Why Andrew Yang's ubi, despite not having any other policy positions on anything and despite being a complete adult, was able to amass supporters based on what? Me giving you free money? People love free shit. So Seamus, if you wanted to go around in the room right now and say, hey, do you want $100? Nobody's going to say, oh, but I'm worried about your debt, Seamus, on your mortgage, about your family and all the other costs.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You have my debt. That's the thing. I'm the government. It's everybody's debt. Like we're talking here about how a 50 year mortgage in slavery slaves us. Imagine if it was an indefinite loan that all of our children had to pay off and our children's children had to pay off someday and couldn't consent to it. And also it was how we ran our government. Like that's literally what's happening right now. And we're talking about giving everyone $2,000 check. I do agree with you that there could be a kind of 4D chess move here. Well, if the Democrats get back into office and Trump can't enact his agenda, the country's destroyed anyway and they are going to import a bunch of people and they are going to balloon the national debt regardless. So maybe if we give people, people these short term payments to get them to vote for Republicans and we play the Democrats dirty a game of allowing people to vote themselves gifts from the treasury, we can actually try to turn the spigot off. I'm a little skeptical of the argument, but I could see the strategy.

[Dan Dillon]

It feels to me like it could be a knee jerk reaction to the uproar over the SNAP benefit issue with the government shutdown too. I mean it's like, well, how do we get, how do we get these people back to possibly supporting our party? So I mean, that's exactly what's happening right now is that everybody's so mad about SNAP benefits. Those are the people that you are speaking to by offering them dangling $2,000 out there. Those are the people you're trying to win back.

[Shane Cashman]

Do you think $2,000 is going to sway anyone's vote these days though?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, oh absolutely. I don't.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It's compared to nothing and what other politicians have done for them. So the government doesn't touch most Americans and $2,000 would affect, I don't think.

[Shane Cashman]

Leftists will get $2,000 from Trump and change their minds and vote for Trump.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, but we're not talking about leftists.

[Elad Eliyahu]

A small amount of, by the way, even liberals.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm against it, but I don't think it would hurt him.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it only has potential to help his electoral process.

[Phil Monte]

It could hurt him if it causes more economic problems. Because at the end of the day, what's gonna matter the last six months before the election in 2028 and well actually next year and in 2028 is how people feel about the economy, right? Like if there is civil unrest and there's nothing, there's big riots and blah, blah, blah, that'll affect people. But if that's not going on, it is the pocketbook, it is the kitchen table issues. So if they do things that make it harder for people to pay for their groceries and causing inflation will make it harder for people to pay for their groceries. If they do things, if they have policies that do that, people will vote against the Republicans. And that is absolutely the most important thing thing we can talk about. And people in the, on the Internet, they love to talk about all these Niche issues. They're, they're all interested in like, you know, all sorts of things. The Epstein client list, what Ben Shapiro said, what, what people are talking about, Israel, blah, blah, blah. Those issues are very important to a very, very narrow segment of the population. Right. They're not, they're not important to everybody that pays attention to politics. They're important to a small percentage of the people that pay attention to politics. The amount of people that pay attention to politics is also very small. Right. Most people don't spend more than an hour or so a week paying attention to politics.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't think most Americans knew the government was shut down.

[Phil Monte]

Probably not. But that, and, but that only leads to my point, like people care about can I go to the grocery store and buy the stuff that my kids want to get so that way they're not bummed out.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Doubt.

[Phil Monte]

Can I afford Christmas? Can I afford Thanksgiving? If these questions, right. If you ask these questions and the answer is no, they're going to throw the bums out, that means the Republicans are going to get crucified. So the most important thing is to make sure that the American people feel like they can afford to live right, right now.

[Dan Dillon]

Because I completely agree. I think if the focus was on bringing grocery prices down and instead of giving people $2,000, I'd be way more in support of it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I will say this. I agree with what all I saying about the fact that it probably is good politics. I mean, who could argue that you're gonna have more trouble winning an election if you just gave people money. You just give them a free $2,000 check. I also think that there's an argument to be made, well, these tariffs did cost the American people to some degree, but it's gonna improve America's manufacturing and our ability to deliver products and we can return some of the money back to the people to stimulate our economy. And in my mind, it makes economic sense to say, say we're going to protect American industry by making foreign companies pay tariffs or the people importing from foreign nations pay tariffs and then give that money back to the American people to bolster our own economy. I'm not, I'm not disagreeing that this is complicated and that it could on some level be good strategy. I think ultimately it can also help solidify this idea that the, the shutdown was the Democrats fault. The reason people weren't receiving their EBT was because of the Democrats and that Trump is trying to look out for you. He's trying to get your family fed again in the long term, I think it's bad economics. I'm not advocating for it, but I certainly understand the political strategy. And speaking of the shutdown, we have a wild turn of events now. You guys are not gonna believe this. This is gonna be really shocking for all of you at home listening. It's gonna be shocking for all the people in this room. So I'm glad we're all sitting in chairs and that Tim Cass has not done at a standing desk. Cause I think some of you might faint. Even though the Democrats have been claiming the shutdown was just the fault of Republicans, they are now complaining that the Democrats they elected worked to open the government back up and they quote, unquote caved. That's strange to me. So breaking the Senate moves to reopen the government after Democrats break from Schumer, the question was does the shutdown further the goal of achieving some needed support for the extension of the tax credit? Are judging judgment was that it will not. The Senate took a major step towards ending the record long government shutdown on Sunday as a group of Democrats broke ranks and joined Republicans in advancing a revised plan to reopen federal agencies.

[Dan Dillon]

Well, that's right there.

[Seamus Coughlin]

What do you mean broke ranks? I thought it was the. You mean all the Republicans didn't break rank to open the government? It's almost like they wanted the government open the entire time and it was the Democrats preventing it from happening. One of the hilarious things you'll see if you go on social media media is all of the leftists whining and complaining about the fact that the government's going to be reopened and saying the Democrats betrayed us, they stabbed us in the back even though they just spent the entire shutdown telling us the entire thing was the Republicans fault. So I wanna open it up to you guys and get your opinions and I want you to let me know just how shocked you are that it turns out that this was the Democrat shutdown.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Seamus, I wanted to ask you. There was one Republican who actually voted to continue the shutdown.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Can you guess which one who did that? Which one was one of our good.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Friends Shot in the Dark. One of your favorites.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, one of my favorites. I'm having too much trouble. I've been too shocked today. I've already been too shocked today. I need you to just tell the.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Only Republican to vote with Democrats. You know, it's actually a trend of Republicans like this voting with the Democrats. And with Republicans like this, I mean, who needs Democrats? Are you guys seriously clue. Nobody has any rant. Do you Want. Yeah, exactly.

[Shane Cashman]

Whoever's not a neocon. Whoever's not a neocon that Eli doesn't like.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I mean, listen, listen. The libertarian is going to want the government to stay shut down forever.

[Phil Monte]

I'm okay with that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's what I want.

[Seamus Coughlin]

A clue.

[Shane Cashman]

Closed. An open. An open government is as useful as a shutdown.

[Seamus Coughlin]

There was a couple people I had in mind. There was a couple people I had in mind, but. Yep, that. So it was Rand Paul though, right?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm curious what you all think of that. I'm also just curious what you think of the shutdown ending.

[Shane Cashman]

I wish you stayed down forever. They weaponize this government against American people for decades and used to be completely gutted.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Doesn't sound like something an establishment guy would say.

[Shane Cashman]

So, yeah, I had a change of heart last night. I slept on it and I was like, you know, I've been wrong. Wrong completely.

[Dan Dillon]

The shutdown, I mean, the. It's so ridiculous that every year you end up in the same situation where the shutdown is used as, you know, a way for people to pit, you know, the left versus the right, and for them to grandstand and to try and get all these publicity points and stuff like that. I mean, I, I had to travel here yesterday. It was a disaster. I mean, I was lucky. My flight was only delayed about four.

[Shane Cashman]

And a half hours.

[Dan Dillon]

Yeah, you're. There were people that were at the airport. Their, Their flights were delayed 12, 12 hours plus. And I, And I just, you know, I don't understand that. The correlation between critical infrastructure not being air traffic control and tsa, why is that not privatized at this point in time? Why are we. Why, why is it that when they can't agree on a budget, we shut everything down and then people can't travel.

[Shane Cashman]

And they hold you hostage.

[Dan Dillon]

Literally, they hold us hostage, you know, and they don't care. And then, and then why is there no fallback? Why is there no fallback for when you can't agree on a new budget, that you fall back to the existing budget?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, that's right. And so what always happens is the government shuts down and the left goes, these essential are lost. And in some ways, I think you're correct when it comes to air traffic control, that's something that we need. And it's strange that the government does it. But then these same people will argue and argue that the government should control more and more and more. So you go, well, you know, even if the government controls, like, virtually everything, we're still going to have A political system where there are these arguments and disagreements and the government will shut down. And then what's going to happen to all of the services that, like, you consider to be essential, if they aren't considered essential by the government at that time? But furthermore, yes, as someone who's been traveling a lot recently to promote the crowdfunding campaign that I launched for twisted plots like planes have been delayed, I thank goodness my flights, even though some got delayed, none got canceled. It's funny, I was in la, I was in Los Angeles, I was over in California, other side of the flipping continent, right in the coolest place in the world. And I had to fly back here late at night for a podcast. So this is when a bunch of flights were starting to get canceled. And I was like, dude, dude, if this flight gets canceled, I have no idea what I'm gonna do because I am like, as far away from here as you can be while still being in the United States. And so thankfully, my flight was not canceled. But this is happening to a lot of people. And so hopefully we're able to get that back up and running as the government's looking to open up. What do you think, Elad?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think a minority of Americans fly regularly, so I don't really care.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You don't care about.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't care about protecting minorities.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You don't care about protecting minorities?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Cause only min minority flies, they're fancy business meetings that they need to attend in person and they're. They're important vacations that they need to go on. I haven't flown on a plane in over a year, and I think most average Americans don't. And it is inconveniencing some of the most privileged Americans. And I don't mind doing that for a little bit longer, I don't think.

[Guest/Caller]

Ironic.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Shame, because now you're for reopening the government. I thought you're for this.

[Shane Cashman]

No, I'm against your idea of only privileged people flying.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah, the fact, like, the fact I think that's ridiculous.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You literally just put that on a.

[Shane Cashman]

Suit and then he starts acting like he's better than everybody.

[Phil Monte]

Like this gosh, idea that like blue collar people or average Americans that make, you know, 60, 70, $80,000 a year, like they don't fly regularly. There are plenty of jobs that require people to fly that are not like elitist jobs.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sure. So I think this affects a minority of workers. And if Seamus has to wait another half hour, hour, who knows, maybe we would have gotten Tim instead of. This guy was poisoned. Shame. Tim. Seamus instead of Tim. It would have been better if you, you know, maybe missed the flag.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, Tim. While Tim was sick. You want the man to ruin his voice?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, is that what happened?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, he got sick.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sick?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, he's sick. He said he couldn't host the show tonight and I had to, but it was a disaster. It was a nightmare. Now, Elad, this is also shocking coming from the neocon economist, that you would say people in the upper classes whose wealth trickles down to the rest of us.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Through their entrepreneurial vision.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't like flying.

[Shane Cashman]

The only planes he wants flying are the ones that drop bombs.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I thought you were going to say something worse, so I guess I'll take that. I thought he was going there too. I was the nicest thing you could have said.

[Shane Cashman]

I know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Anyway, I don't like flying. I'm actually scared. I reluctantly fly when I have to and that's why I don't mind these.

[Phil Monte]

No wonder why you have.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I have a personal beef with. Doesn't affect you in the airport. So you might just have to drive like that.

[Phil Monte]

Have to fly. I hate flying and I'm scared of it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So know it's better than a short flight, a nice long drive.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I agree.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Agree with you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Listen, I'm actually okay with.

[Shane Cashman]

I do like driving.

[Seamus Coughlin]

If time permits. I absolutely perverted drive.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, either you're sitting in your car or you're waiting online not to get taken off because the airports aren't moving.

[Phil Monte]

If it's. If. If the drive is six hours or less, do the drive. If it's over six hours, take the flight. Because when you think the amount of time that takes to get to the airport.

[Dan Dillon]

Oh yeah, you have to sit there.

[Phil Monte]

And wait, do the flight and get out and stuff that like five or six hours, it's probably better.

[Shane Cashman]

You're already doing dad math. That's exactly how.

[Phil Monte]

Well, I mean, I live in New Hampshire.

[Dan Dillon]

What's. What's going on with the, with the shutdown vote though? Because it's got to go through the House, right.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So after it's passed through the Senate, I think there's some procedural, procedural things that need to happen that'll take a few days and then it'll go to the House where Johnson should have a majority. I'm assuming Massey, these libertarian types, they just always vote with. The Democrats will also probably vote against, but he will be the token Republican to do so.

[Dan Dillon]

Yeah, that's.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's what I foresee was Phil was.

[Shane Cashman]

Still doing that against a lot or the Libertarian types.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Okay.

[Shane Cashman]

I just want to make sure, for everyone who might be listening, that was Phil making the farting sound with his mouth against a lot.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, these libertarians. He's doing that to me. Who's complaining about the libertarians getting in the way of the MAGA agenda? Yes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Okay, guys, we actually. We've got another breaking story here. Just had to mention this. We weren't planning on talking about this, but the news just broke. Antifa protesters have rushed the entrance of tonight's TPUSA event after or attempting to break down barriers. Attendees were rushed behind a police arrest and other anti TP USA protesters have been arrested. Should we watch this?

[Phil Monte]

Everything I have to say is a tos.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Where is this based out of? Do you. Do we know.

[Guest/Caller]

So this is UC Berkeley, by the way, guys. And this is, I think, from Sam. I don't know who actually posted this.

[Elad Eliyahu]

This isn't the craziest thing I've ever seen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So are we just gonna keep being nice to these people?

[Guest/Caller]

Well, it's just because it's a BSA thing and they rushed to the USA thing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So that guy broke down the barriers.

[Guest/Caller]

Called the races, pack it in. That's it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Hercule has a long history of these types of protests and usually they get a lot more out of hand than this so far. But I guess it's still early there, so we'll see what this turns into.

[Dan Dillon]

Well, it's not surprising. That's really true.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, of course not. I mean, listen, we got.

[Guest/Caller]

I think this might be.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah, let's see this.

[Guest/Caller]

But I haven't screen any of these videos. Guys, we just got the sign right now. Oh, sideshow. Classic.

[Seamus Coughlin]

They're just barbarians.

[Guest/Caller]

All right, well, that's all we got right now.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, again, this is exactly what we were saying earlier on the show. Look how quickly our predictions become true. You don't arrest these people. They become emboldened, right?

[Phil Monte]

Yes, absolutely.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Who thought. Who thought anything different was going to happen? Everybody says, oh, well, if we do something, there's an escalation. If law enforcement intervenes and arrests people who are breaking the law, there's an escalation. There is an escalation. Regardless. The question is whether there is an escalation on the part of law enforcement that puts the riot down and puts frankly, the insurrection down, or whether they continue to raise the temperature. That's it. That's it. And whenever the left says, I wish people would stop raising the temperature, what they're really saying is, I want to be the one in control. Of the fire.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah, I mean, that's. That's pretty accurate. And like I said, this, this kind of stuff, they should round all those people up and they should all go to jail. Like, all of them. They can. They've got. They can get buses, bring the buses out, wrap them up and put them in jail.

[Shane Cashman]

Anyone in a face mask? Honestly, at this point.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Absolutely.

[Shane Cashman]

You're in a face, still wearing Covid mask, for sure. You're gone. Right to jail.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, right.

[Phil Monte]

It shouldn't, at this point, it shouldn't be, like, it shouldn't be a question as to. As to whether or not these people go to jail. Like, these people are intending to intimidate. This isn't about a protest. This is intimidation. This is trying to shut down other people's speech. If you wanted to protest, you could protest, but when your protest is intended to shut other people's speech down, you should go to jail.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Zero question about it. And it shouldn't even be. I mean, it's insane to me that we're still having this discussion. Right, right. It's so clear.

[Phil Monte]

We've been having this discussion for a decade.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yep.

[Phil Monte]

Since 2015.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And you know what? Thank goodness we're allowed to have the discussion, because for a while we weren't. And that's part of why this problem has persisted as long as it has.

[Shane Cashman]

Remember when Berkeley was pro free speech before our time?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Same place that burnt itself down when. I don't remember it. Yeah, yeah, same exactly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And I don't, you know, I have my doubts that that was ever the case. I actually have my doubts because we.

[Phil Monte]

Know there was arrest them all, and everybody that's here on a green card gets deported.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's it.

[Phil Monte]

Get them out of the country. Because I guarantee there's a lot of people in that. In that protest that's got. They're here on green cards, especially if they're fat. They're guests.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. And if they're fat, they shouldn't be here at all, according to Trump.

[Phil Monte]

But the government need. The government needs to start coming down on these people hard. Within the law, of course. Within. You know, I'm not talking about injuring people or violating people's rights, but if you are protesting in a. In a manner that is meant to intimidate other people who are peaceably assembling.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Jail.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Jail.

[Dan Dillon]

Well, I hear what you're saying, but, I mean, like, what do you think the motivation is? I mean, for not doing it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Exactly.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Why.

[Dan Dillon]

Why are they not doing. Trump is in charge right now.

[Phil Monte]

Kid gloves like, huh, kid gloves. They've been treating these people well.

[Dan Dillon]

Yeah, but.

[Phil Monte]

But why are.

[Dan Dillon]

Why is nobody stepping up and saying, we're taking the kid gloves.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Cowards.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I agree with you.

[Shane Cashman]

They're afraid of the optics being shown.

[Dan Dillon]

One thing is, is that they're demonized when they do something to protect people. I mean, whether they're law enforcement or not. You got the Daniel Penny thing. It's like you actually stand up and do the right thing. It seems like these days you're actually demonized for it. And that is one thing that's demotivating to the police in general, the individual police, but then also for the police chiefs and for the people in charge of them. There's too much demotivating factor to do this. It's too much personal risk. That's one reason why they're all wearing masks, too.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah. Well, again, because only one side is required to play by the rules here. And so it's got to the point where the Republicans won't even play by the rules. The right won't even play by the rules because they won't do the things that the law allows, the law allows them to do in order to shut down this kind of violence and these kinds of riots. We've been dealing with this one. I'm sure we all sound like broken records, because we've been dealing with this for over a decade at this point, and nothing has been done. And there was a mandate from the people of the United States when they Democratically elected Donald J. Trump, handing a Republican the first popular vote history in a very long time, so that this problem could be dealt with, and it's not being dealt with. And there's a number of explanations and rationalizations, just like Phil pointed out. They could be cowardly. It could be because he's worried about bad optics before we start getting closer to the midterms. But I don't care, because if something isn't done, the problem's only going to get worse. And we heard all of the same excuses about the BLM riots in 2020. Well, it's going to look bad if the government does something. The way these things work is that you got to shut them down immediately before they go completely out of control. And yes, the optics look a little bit bad for a little bit, but you got to bite the bullet right away and stop it from happening so that you don't have to worry about a little optical disaster. Because by. By the way, every single time one of these riots happens, there is some kind of optics Disaster for the Trump administration regardless, because his supporters go, why isn't he doing anything? And you always have at least one person getting arrested who the left then says is a poor innocent victim who didn't do anything wrong. So what he needs to do is he just needs to bite the bullet. He needs to take all the bad optics at once. He needs to throw all these people in jail and then he's gonna spare himself years and years of news stories of rioters being locked up one at a time time just to be released again.

[Phil Monte]

You know what the solution to bad optics is? You make massive tax cuts and incentivize. Right, listen, make massive tax cuts, incentivize people to start businesses, fix the economy, and then no one cares about the optics because they can pay for their groceries again. That's what you do. You fix the economy. You make sure that people can afford to live, make sure that people can afford to, to get, to pay for their, their rent, pay their mortgage, buy their groceries and then they don't care that you're wrapping up. Leftists throwing them in jail. Yeah, the solution to the optics is making sure the economy is booming.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Effective government, effective people want this also, by the way, the people who are out here doing this crap, it's not like they're law abiding citizens who are a benefit to their community. Regardless, if you were able to lock them up and they hadn't even committed the law or broken the law, which I'm not saying you should do, it would still probably be an improvement to the environment that they live, live in. Like these people are generally repeat offenders. You don't just start throwing bricks at a cop when you've never broken a law before. You don't break down barriers and try to protest someone's free speech with violence when you never broken a law before. So not only would he be taking all the optics disasters at once and then not having to deal with them in the future, but he would probably improve crime rates in all of the cities where he cracked down on these riots and arrested people.

[Shane Cashman]

You think the system is so broken though, because this goes back longer than it did decade. These people have been emboldened for decades. You go back to the Weather Underground. I say it all the time. Yes, these people were domestic terrorists. They were Marxists, they killed people, they hurt people. They killed themselves too, with bombs. But they went to jail. And even when they, even they were pardoned by Cuomo, they were pardoned by Clinton, they became professors, they started doing stuff with thousand currents. Susan Rosenberg they started working Thousand Currents, started working with Act Blue. So it's like this is a deep, deep issue with the, with the whole system. So even when they go to jail, they come out and get rewarded by the left.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

How do we stop that? Like, that's how you have, you have.

[Dan Dillon]

To stop that cycle was to be the antidote. Right. I mean, that was the reason that a lot of people want Trump to be in office is because he was finally an outsider who didn't care about the optics. Like that was supposed to be his thing. And so sometimes he really, he really does act that way. And, and I appreciate those. And then other times, turning the blind eye, like, I, I'm so frustrated about some of the things that aren't happening. I'm frustrated that, that people who are obviously breaking the law aren't getting arrested. I'm frustrated that there's no push right now for nationwide voter ID requirements. Right. Well, I mean, one of the reasons we're in this mess is because we don't have nationwide voter ID requirements and we're losing elections on the federal level because certain states are disenfranchising everybody else. Why is there. We just don't care about that anymore.

[Phil Monte]

No, I mean, that was one of the things that Donald Trump said that would be passed if they got rid of the public.

[Dan Dillon]

Absolutely. And so those, and it's a snowball effect. If you enforce the border, kick out every, everybody who's not supposed to be here, arrest criminals and actually put them in jail and keep them in jail and enforce voter id, you're going to see that the country is actually a lot more conservative than you thought that it was. Way more conservative than you thought that it was because the people that are left are the law abiding citizens that are actually American citizens. Yep.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Phil Monte]

I think that, like, I'm, I mean, I'm as much of a, a border hawk as, as you can get. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm glad that the board is basically shut down now and I think that the government should be doing everything they can can to wrap up as many illegals here that are, that are here and send them back. I don't know that that's going to solve everything, but I do think that that would cause. That would solve a lot of.

[Dan Dillon]

It all works together.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah, it all works together.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So, so we've got another story here tonight that I think it's important to talk about as well as a little segue later into something that your outlet published that I, I Found kind of funny. But the Supreme Court just rejected a long shot effort to overturn ex marriage. They're still calling it marriage for some silly reason. Ruling the court turned away an appeal filed by Kim Davis. Do you guys remember her? A former county clerk in Kentucky who was sued after refusing to issue a marriage license to a gay couple. First of all, based in red pilled American Patriot. Secondly, Washington. The Supreme Court ruled on Monday. The Supreme Court on Monday turned away a long shot attempt to overTurn the Landmark 2015.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They didn't take the case up.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly that. So it's like. Like they didn't decide they want to make it do it.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, they didn't want to make a decision on exactly not taking up the case.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

Without a pretty gay.

[Seamus Coughlin]

This is from. I agree with you. This is from NBC News, by the way, without comment, the justices rejected an appeal brought by Kim Davis, a former county clerk in Kentucky who was sued in 2015 for refusing to issue quote unquote marriage licenses because of her opposition to same sex. By the way, it's kind of funny. Sex is censored with two asterisks in this context. But it is same S. Star star. Who knows what that means? Marriage based on her religious.

[Dan Dillon]

I've never seen that before. That's on NBC News directly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah. And I'm curious if the title. Yeah, the title does the exact same thing. So this is not. It's very, very cringe. Not a great day for the Supreme Court. But I'm curious what everyone else here has to say about this.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The politics of this is extremely fascinating. Based on other rulings that the Supreme Court recently made, notably on overturning the Dobbs decision, overturning Grovey Wade, Many onlookers and legal professionals assumed that following the logic that the court used in previous cases was going to strike something like this down had they taken the case up. But they strategically decided not to take the case up because I first assume they didn't want to deal with the backlash of having to turn something like this that is generally popular with Americans. So you know, if they follow their what is it their textualist takes hinge of the Supreme Court right now, they might have had to overturn this to stay legally consistent but have chosen to not take up the case. If you guys don't also know the Supreme Court chooses what cases it takes up and has to make a decision on or doesn't have to make a decision on. I think the politics of this is fascinating.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. I mean hopefully they're willing to take it up soon. I'm curious what you think about this, Shane. I know that you're like just a gigantic LGBTQ coming from New York.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, of course. I wish they over turned it. It's the same. I feel the same way about this. I feel about not showing. Showing force. A strong force with the immigration stuff or the people breaking the law. This is something they should do. They should overturn it. I think it's an abomination.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Amen, brother.

[Shane Cashman]

Promoting people living in unrepentant sin. And I wish they would say let's overturn it. I don't care about the optics. I'm ready to change things.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And it's not just that. It's actually forcing all of us with our tax dollars to fund a. A system that says two men can be married. Which is a total fiction. They can't be. That's not what marriage means.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. Wow.

[Dan Dillon]

Is that. If there's one institution that. That shouldn't worry about optics it's the Supreme Court because it's one of the few places that you have lifelong membership. So it's interesting that if that's really the motivation is optics. It's interesting that they would be. That they would care about optics. Don't. I think you need. I think you need four votes in favor if I'm not mistaken, in order to take up a case.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Case.

[Dan Dillon]

It's not a majority. Is it?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Isn't it the Chief justice who decides what case they're taking? I'm not. I'm not sure.

[Dan Dillon]

I honestly don't know. I'm speaking based upon ignorance on the subject that there's some amount of voting that needs to happen.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think.

[Shane Cashman]

I think Thomas was one of them that voted for to take up the case. I forget who the other one.

[Dan Dillon]

Wonder who the ones weren't.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Dan Dillon]

You know, I don't know. Does it.

[Shane Cashman]

I think it was only two that said we should take it anywhere.

[Dan Dillon]

Is it published?

[Shane Cashman]

I'm sure you can look it up.

[Dan Dillon]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The other one was the nine justices of the Supreme Court decide which cases to take with at least four justices needing to vote to grant a writ of Qataria.

[Dan Dillon]

So they only need a four. They've got the majority and they weren't able to get four.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Referred to as the rule of four. Well allegedly there's only three liberal justice justices on the court. So you'd assume that the six so called conservative justices would vote not to take.

[Dan Dillon]

Three of them had a defect.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Shane Cashman]

It might not even Be optics. They might actually be scared for their lives. After the Kavanaugh stuff. I think that's death threats, which is.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Ridiculous because we don't arrest the people who do this stuff.

[Shane Cashman]

We do, but they don't get even as much jail time.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Exactly. As they should.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Was the one. Was the one who. Well, and by the way, you're right that we. Small correction myself. We arrested some of the people who like, threatened the judges directly. But when you see all the political violence that's occurred with people who haven't been arrested, I mean, if a massive mob surrounds them or does something like that, a lot of those people don't get in any trouble.

[Shane Cashman]

Who threatened Kavanaugh, who went there to. To kill him. Did go to jail. I believe he's in jail now or was just found guilty.

[Seamus Coughlin]

But it's for like a small amount of. And then in court, the judge was saying, I'm glad that this led your family to accept you or something completely.

[Dan Dillon]

It's always.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think. I think it's also worth mentioning public opinion currently in the United States on the matter. So I'm reading right now From Pew, about 6 in 10 adults express a positive view of the impact of same sex marriage being legal, including 36% who say it is very good for society. Society. Roughly 4 in 10 have a negative view. 37% with 19% saying it's very bad. So there is a super majority in the country.

[Dan Dillon]

I mean, the Supreme Court shouldn't be motivated by the opinion polls.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Sure. But if they continue to do things that are extremely unpopular, then their legitimacy decreases and they become less relevant as a branch.

[Dan Dillon]

Their legitimacy decreased when they got Katanji Brown.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Jackson Brown.

[Dan Dillon]

Jackson Brown.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't disagree. Like, and they shouldn't again, be swayed by the public. But I think they're political reality that just, you know, they have to take into account they shouldn't be influenced by politics. You're right. That's why they allegedly have these lifelong terms. But they don't exist in a vacuum. It's pretty clear they're affected by other branches of government too. And they should. You know, we're actually. Some of us in this room are out of touch generally with the American.

[Shane Cashman]

I thought he was gonna say out of the closet.

[Phil Monte]

I was like a lot.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Get your hopes up, Shane. So generally some of us might be a little bit out of touch with where the average American is. I don't know if this is totally playing politics. I don't know if the president told them maybe this isn't the right case to take up. There have been rumors too, that the President is extremely concerned about keeping the majority in the upcoming midterms because if he were to lose the majority right now, what is there, a 3, 4, 5 seat majority of the Republicans, depending if you're counting Massey as a Republican. So if the Democrats were to gain a majority again, there would be endless investigations. The President would definitely be impeached again. So I think, you know, he might be trying to hedge against that. That's why we're seeing him do the redistricting, among other things.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. So I think you're right. It's possible that the justices are trying to play politics. I have no idea. Again, obviously, it's not the point of a Supreme Court justice to play politics. I also understand of this hyperpolarized landscape why they might feel a need to. And Shane, I think you're also correct that they could have been intimidated into deciding not to hear the case. But with what you mentioned about opinion polling on the matter, if those numbers are accurate, what it demonstrates is that the law is a teacher. Because remember, gay marriage, quote, unquote, was not something that the public demanded. It was not something that was voted for. It was something that was forced onto us by the courts. Even in California, the bluest blue state, they could not get people to vote in favor of it. It was the California Supreme Court that decided that homosexual, quote, unquote, marriage existed and had to be respected in the state of California. And in such a limited time, with that legislative change that was forced onto the public by the courts, the American people have largely changed their perspective on this. It can be changed back if the courts decide to reverse the decision. This is not permanent.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, well, you know, they said of the Roe v. Wade that it was so called settled law. And that's right. I used to argue people to people constantly. I used to interview leftists, women's March, people on the the street concerned about Roe v. Wade. And I would tell them smugly, oh, well, it's settled law. You know, that's what the Supreme Court justices said. The Supreme Court justices said, this is settled law. You know, doesn't that mean anything to you? And they'd go, no. And, you know, I guess the same logic can apply here to the Obergefell decision, despite it being settled law. Some people would argue that the legality, it's not very textualist in nature and could be overturned. I do think they are taking politics into consideration, though, when it comes to this. And although they maybe shouldn't I feel like is viewing them too much in a vacuum.

[Seamus Coughlin]

One more thing that I want to point out here because Kim Davis got brought up and that's such a throwback for most of us. I don't think I've heard that name in what, 10 years. She was made the target of a smear campaign by the media where rather than discussing whether she had the freedom as an American to not partake in the legitimizing of unions that she understood to be sinful, we instead had conversations about her moral character. What they kept saying was, well, Kim Davis is definitely divorced. Okay, well, sodomy is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance and she's still allowed to oppose it even if she has committed other sins in her life. The argument is not. Kim Davis is a perfect person and the moral guru we all have to listen to. The argument was does a person have to earn the right to conscientiously object to partaking in the legitimizing of lifestyle choices they understand to be disgusting and wrong? Do they have to earn that by being up to your moral standards or are they allowed that freedom as Americans?

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, because you're not allowed to speak out against their cult, their religion, their cult, you know, wants this stuff to happen. So it's, it's all this attack on Christianity.

[Guest/Caller]

Right.

[Shane Cashman]

You know, and you're more 100.

[Elad Eliyahu]

There's one last tidbit I wanted to add on the gay marriage stuff. Gay marriage?

[Seamus Coughlin]

Just a little tidbit, a tiny bit. No, that's not what I meant. I just thought tidbit was a funny like word to use.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I didn't mean.

[Phil Monte]

I think what you meant.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think it's worth mentioning that they're. That gay men have become more prominent in the Republican Party now more than ever, both in the closet and out. And that could help in normalizing gay people, particularly for the party that is most predisposed to potentially be against gay Lindsey Graham. Forget Lindsey Graham. It goes, it goes way up higher than that. Scott Besant is, you know, know.

[Shane Cashman]

I don't know.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, he's, he's publicly gay, he's out gay. He has a pink house and he's married to a man.

[Seamus Coughlin]

He's got a pink house. This guy lives like he sleeps with a pink blanket. Lots on Zillow, pink Corvette.

[Elad Eliyahu]

No, there's a lot of. For him, there's a lot of high ranking gay people. Trump administration and the Republican Party writ large. And the Republican Party isn't nearly as anti gay and against gay marriage as they Used to be. Despite there being a religious part of the party that is.

[Shane Cashman]

But I also know there's a lot of gay conservatives who don't agree with marriage being dictated by the government, who are. Who actually oppose gay marriage.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I think most of the gay men in the Republican Party support the Obergefell decision.

[Shane Cashman]

I've heard both. You know, obviously there's some who are totally fine and there's others who don't.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You could say that about everything. But I think writ large, the gay Republican men do support their. No, yeah. 90 of gay men.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Where'd you get that number? Where'd you get that?

[Elad Eliyahu]

All the gay men that I've spoken to, all the.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And that's about Republican Party, which are.

[Elad Eliyahu]

There's a ton of them. Which there are a lot of.

[Phil Monte]

All the game.

[Dan Dillon]

There's a lot of pink house.

[Elad Eliyahu]

There's a ton. There's again, you could look up his house. It's very pink. It looks really. Watch out, he'll swing on you. You talk about the people in front of Bess.

[Shane Cashman]

I respected that part.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That was. You know what I mean? But that, that is to say they're very influential. There are many very influential gay men in the administration in the party. And this is becoming more normalized in the party. I think going the opposite direction.

[Shane Cashman]

Are Christians in the Republican Party supposed to accept that then just because they're on.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think a lot of you guys are so called Christians and whether or not you want to accept them as Christians.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I don't.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah, I know he calls himself a Christian, but he's an unrepentant sinner married to a gay man.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Well, you sin. Are you still a Christian?

[Shane Cashman]

We're all born sinners.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, I'm not.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm not living in unrepentant a sin married to a man.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't know. I mean, you know more about your sins than I do. And I'm not here to tell people they are or aren't Christian based on this.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, no, but there's actually an important distinction here. Like it is also a sin to deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. You wouldn't say, well, you can't tell that person they're not Christian because they deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. Because you also sin. Like if you have chosen to base your beliefs around something explicitly anti Christian and you've said what the church, what tradition, what scripture explicitly defines as a sin. Sin isn't a sin and I'm not allowed to do it. Or. And I am allowed to do it is different from being a believing Christian who sometimes makes mistakes.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, but Seamus, for example, that's like you're stripping away many people of their religious, you know.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I'm not their decision making. That's their bad decision making.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Catholics, as I understand, are pro choice.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Those are not practicing Catholics.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So you'd say more than they're not practicing Catholics, call themselves Catholic, aren't certainly. That's Hollywood.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Catholic baptized Catholics. They're not practicing. But this is not.

[Phil Monte]

Are you the Pope, though?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Like, no, I know who's able to decide this.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And because I'm the Pope, no, I'm not allowed to decide this because I'm not the Pope. I have to follow what the Church has already said. And what the Church has already said is there's certain standards you have to meet in order to be considered a practicing Catholic. And one of them is you have to give full assent to Catholic teaching, including the teachings on abortion. Ergo, no, they literally are not practicing Catholics by definition. So I would be playing God and playing Pope. Right. If I were to say, no, you can be Catholic. You can be a practicing Catholic even if you explicitly reject church teaching.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I'm a Jew, so I'll hold my tongue only a little bit when talking on these Catholic issues. As I understand, the Pope recognizes these people as Catholics.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The Pope does not recognize them as practicing Catholics in the magisterium of. The Church does not recognize them as practicing Catholics.

[Elad Eliyahu]

The Pope doesn't recognize people who are pro choice as Catholics or they are deciphering Catholic.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The Pope has not issued the. The Pope has not issued a statement overturning church teaching that practicing Catholics have to give a scent to Catholic teaching. The Pope has not done that. Okay, so those people aren't Catholic.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Okay.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Anyway, we can move on from this topic because otherwise. Well, yeah, we can move on to another hour. What's that?

[Shane Cashman]

Can we do another hour?

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think the gay stuff is. All of that is to say the gay stuff's becoming more normalized in the Republican Party, despite.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think. Isn't.

[Dan Dillon]

Aren't there a lot of graphs that show that, like support for a gay marriage is declining?

[Shane Cashman]

Yes. And there's a revival in Christianity right now.

[Dan Dillon]

There's a revival in Christianity.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So I think.

[Phil Monte]

I think anything that you do to shrink the party is probably best bad for the party and for the United States because if you allow the Democrats to get back into power, they're going to start throwing conservatives in jail. If Christians have self. Have a. Self preservation. Yeah. If they have the desire for self preservation. You do not want Democrats back in power. They listen. The Democrats call Christians Christian nationalists. They associate Christians with Nazis, they associate Christians with evil and they will use the government to oppress you.

[Shane Cashman]

My self preservation is rooted in eternity outside of the material world.

[Phil Monte]

You are welcome to have that opinion.

[Shane Cashman]

And I'm not going to sacrifice my beliefs to help the party, the material world. I can't. I'm not going to vote for someone who is also antithetical to my beliefs.

[Phil Monte]

Whether it's right, that's fine to have that opinion. But if you, but if you do, then you are going to send people that don't agree with that into the hands of the Democrats and into the hands of people that will destroy the country.

[Shane Cashman]

My thing is though, I think we're screwed either on either side right now. And one of the things I have, the problem with Trump is the total embrace of Silicon Valley, which is anti human and anti Christian. And they're building out a dystopia that is shackling people to the material world. So I, right now I feel like they're both kind of selling out humanity and the middle class for sure.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And by, by the way, Phil, even though I disagree, I understand your argument from strategy. I understand coming at it from a place of pragmatism. A, I agree with Shane, but. And B, then it becomes a question of how much do we allow the party to change and lose its identity for the sake of getting outside people in. Because at some point you go, well, what are we fighting for? What values do we have?

[Phil Monte]

There has always been a part of the concern or of the right that was based not on, on religious principles. There has always been a, A, a wing or whatever you want to call it of the Republican Party that was based on economics and not based on social conservative conservatism. And, and I think that it is important to keep the big tent because look, if you're going to start saying you, you have, you are a sinner, so you're not welcome in my party.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You'Re going to, that's not the, I.

[Shane Cashman]

Believe we're all born sinners.

[Phil Monte]

It sounds a lot like it because it's going to, it's going to start saying, okay, if you're a pro choice conservative or a pro choice Republican, you can't be here. If you're a gay Republican, you can't be here. These things will whittle away at support on the right. Well, that is not something that the right can afford right now. The right, the right is largely made up of Democrats. Look at Donald Trump, J. RFK Tulsi Gabbard. All these people are Democrats, Democrats that are basically not far left enough right now. We have a big tent Republican Party and it's fine if you don't have to agree, but I don't think that saying, look, we need to kick out people or we need to stop aligning with the big tent party because we are, because we believe, because our faith won't allow us. I think that that will cause massive problems for the country.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's not what we're saying. If someone is in favor of abortion, I want them to vote Republican. The Republican Party should not become a pro abortion party. And if it does, then you're allowing the pro lifers and the people who have sustained this party for decades and been the most reliable voting bloc for it are going to be pushed out. So it's a question of which side we're on and it's a question of which policies we're going to adopt. If the Republican Party says that it's going to become a pro abortion party, it loses like 90% of its appeal.

[Phil Monte]

For me, that's fine, but.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And people are going to leave. So if someone's pro abortion again, I want them to vote for our candidates. We should not change our position.

[Phil Monte]

So fair enough. I may be using abortion as a, is a bad example when it comes to the, the issue about whether or not gay people should be welcomed in the, in the Republican Party or whether or not we should. We should, well, overturn Obergefeld.

[Dan Dillon]

Remember that's just the federal overturn. Same as Roe versus Wade. Right? You still have state, states rights to have gay marriage, correct? I mean, that's all that this is, this would be a discussion of that or.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I, I think that's probably what would happen. The federal government would probably turn it over to the states if they overturned Obergefeld. It would just be like, but you're.

[Dan Dillon]

Not making gay marriage illegal in the United States. You're just simply overturning the federalization of the gay marriage law.

[Phil Monte]

Fair enough. But like I said, we are a big, the reason the MAGA coalition has won is because it is a big tent coalition and the, the Christian conservatives are an important leg. But also the, not the, the not left enough Democrats that have found a home in the MAGA coalition. They are important too, because that is what Donald Trump is. That is what Tulsa Gabbard is. That is what RFK is. That is what a of lot lot. Most of the people in Washington and I in The Cabinet are those people.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And. Well, and this is maybe where we disagree, but where we probably do have some area of agreement, which is, I do think that with the parties transforming and changing and people moving over to the Republican Party for the Democratic Party, there are ways the Republican Party can benefit policy wise. I just think that's on diametrically opposite issues. Like, I would rather see the Republican Party maybe embrace like some kind of support for local social safety nets or the kind of thing the Republican Party might not spring for in the past past with people who were traditionally Democrats entering into the party or some of the stuff RFK says about what's in our food supply. Historically, Republicans have said that's nanny state stuff. We don't want anyone being concerned with the health of our food. I do think there is room for policy growth.

[Phil Monte]

Medicare for all.

[Seamus Coughlin]

With the, with the. No, absolutely not. Because single payer would destroy the country. But, but I don't think abortion.

[Phil Monte]

What's the difference? If you allow the Democrats to get into power, that'll destroy the country too, because they're going to get single pay.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I'm not sure we. Oh, you're saying if we let the Democrats get power, they're going to get single pay? If, if. Yeah, but we can't just be like, just. But the thing is, we can't only be 1% to the right of the Democrats because if they get elected, it'll be worse. We have to draw a line somewhere and I think we just ultimately disagree over where we draw the line.

[Phil Monte]

I mean, maybe, but I think that my, in my opinion, the, the, the conservatives or the Republicans winning is the most important thing.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, Eli, you've been wanting to say something for a while, so Seamus let you jump in. And by the way, this could also be part of the after show.

[Dan Dillon]

Yeah, I think there's a lot to unpack.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Just one, one thing I feel like it's important to hit on. And I want to ask you this, Seamus. Do you feel marginalized by the Trump administration? Kind of your support being taken for granted given his stances on things like abortion recently in Texas, he didn't want to challenge a case regarding mefapristone, the abortion pill. I don't know if you're against ivf, but he's definitely very supportive of ivf. Depending on how you look at this Obergefell thing, to not even take up the case, you could say that he's, you know, tacitly pro gay marriage.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, no, he's openly gay marriage, but I don't Think that has anything to do with.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You feel marginalized as a result of that? Because, I mean, a lot of your top issues are taking a back seat in the Trump.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, no, absolutely. Absolutely. And I don't want to speak for Shane here, but I think this is the way that. I don't want to speak for you either, but I think this is the way that a lot of conservative Christians feel that the party's trying to.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah. He softened his stance on abortion before the election.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Not good.

[Shane Cashman]

I didn't like that at all.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That really made me angry.

[Phil Monte]

There was.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The reality was I knew that Kamala was so much worse on the issue, so I just didn't really have a choice. But he is. That was a disaster.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Is the most pro choice Republican, pro.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Abortion that we've ever had. Yep.

[Elad Eliyahu]

We've ever had.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's unfortunate. I agree with you. I don't like it. So, yes, to answer your question, yes, I do feel marginalized. I think it's a bad thing. And I, I do not.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You probably should, frankly, with how it's going.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Especially on ivf, by the way.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Very bad. Very bad. Lots of unborn babies made and then just flushed away. Just killed.

[Dan Dillon]

No, it's interesting with Trump, though, because it's a give and take because he's. He is not the ideal candidate for somebody who has Christian beliefs and every single belief, but he's also one of the only candidates who actually stands up for Christians. Like we're talking about, you know, Christians being slaughtered over in Africa. And he's the only politician I can think of that actually is addressing it. So, you know, it's give or take with Trump. Trump is always complicated. It's never just black and white. White with Trump.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I think that's. And that's one of the very strange things about Trump. But we're going to go over to Super Chats real quick.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm going to run.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We're running a little bit late.

[Shane Cashman]

I'm going to run to my show.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We love you.

[Elad Eliyahu]

All right. Thank you for having.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Great seeing you, man.

[Shane Cashman]

See you guys. Pleasure meeting you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Crush it tonight, big guy.

[Shane Cashman]

Join us on Rumble and YouTube at Inverted World live. I'll have Viva fry on at 10 o'.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Clock.

[Shane Cashman]

We're going to talk about ostriches getting massacred. It's an insane. I know that sounds insane, but this is really a crazy story.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Australia.

[Phil Monte]

Once they killed all the dogs during.

[Shane Cashman]

COVID that people wanted to adopt. They said, don't adopt them, we're going to slaughter them all. They Also, I think Finland killed 3.3 million ferrets because they were afraid of COVID So it's kind of in line with all that insane policy stuff. But I'll see you guys there. And thanks for having me. Later, guys.

[Phil Monte]

Take care, bud.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Beautiful. All right, thank you, man. It's great to see you as always. So we're going to pull up some of these questions.

[Phil Monte]

The Senate passed the legislation to open. The federal government's going back to the House tomorrow. They expect to.

[Elad Eliyahu]

To vote.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Nice.

[Phil Monte]

30 minutes ago that was breaking on time.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Some of these names are so difficult to read, but I want, I don't know where the space is supposed to be.

[Guest/Caller]

I don't blame you.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Unit Glue.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Unit.

[Guest/Caller]

Unit Glue.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Oh, yeah. Unit. Yeah. What's wrong with me? Unit. Unit. That's just the same word twice. Tripped me up. People shouldn't worry about being decriminal, demonized by murderers, thieves, liars and criminals. People need to grow a spine. I totally agree. Cannot, can we, can we get an eye for everyone who agrees with that? I, I, I, Phil doesn't agree. I guess I didn't even hear you. So Tiffany says Republican Party goes 100% anti abortion. You lose elections again. Conservatives and maga are not pure for life. Seamus the spoon stealer is wrong. Well, you're wrong for several reasons. Because I'm not a spoon stealer. I've never done that. You know me, you know me. You know I wouldn't do that. But the Republican Party can embrace abortion at any point or for any reason. Chad T says, phil, I disagree. Disagree more than a. And this is, this is actually the most controversial thing you said tonight, Phil, that they're going to disagree with and it's going to open a whole discussion. They said, bill, I disagree more than 10 to 12 hour drive. You fly. I live three hours from a major airport. Airport. One to four hours waiting for connections. Eat more time than driving. Very easy. Direct from regional. Regional airports.

[Dan Dillon]

Most people aren't three hours from a major airport.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah, I tell you, I would concede because I think that it is, is it, does it just to your point, like it does matter where you from being from the East Coast, Right. I don't think anywhere from, you know, from Boston all the way down here, you're more than an hour and a half, two hours from an airport. So I think that that does take, you take that into account and if you're out west, you know, if you, if you're out, you know, in the, in the hills, in, in the Rockies or whatever, and it's three hours to get to, to Boise or to Denver or Salt Lake. Then I totally understand why you would have that op. I don't have any problem with your, with your take at all. So I, I, I do think that you make sense. I think that my opinion is, is context dependent because I live on the east Coast.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Beautiful. So J Dirt biker says Today marks the 50 year anniversary since the Edmund Fitzgerald went down in the frigid waters of Lake Superior. Rest in Peace to the 29 souls on the board on board who lost their lives on that terrible day. Amen. God bless them. They were, were doing very difficult work to provide for their fellow Americans. And they died. And there's a. I'm sure you guys all know this, the incredible Gordon Lightfoot song about it. It's kind of been going viral lately. A lot of people have been talking about it. Absolute.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Do you want to sing it a little bit?

[Seamus Coughlin]

I don't know if I'm, I don't know if we have the rights to it. I don't know if I'm allowed to sing it on here. I'll just have to ask Tim if that's allowed. Evan for us says as the mass exodus happens out of New York, they will lose their electoral power power and hold on the country. And red as well as purple areas will become more red. Let's go. Yeah. So here's the thing. I hope so. It's always difficult whenever you have this kind of mass exodus because someone thinking that Zoran Mandami's policies make New York unlivable does not make them a right wing conservative. That's pretty much a normal position that like any reasonable person has. And so a lot of these people are going to move to red states and they're going to ruin them. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to, to spoil that for you.

[Dan Dillon]

Well, we had a. That was our another Babylon B headline. This is actually from two days ago.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Mom.

[Dan Dillon]

Donnie Dethrones Gavin Newsome as U haul's top salesman.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Well, this is the other thing. Like he, he might, he might do more to increase property values in Florida than DeSantis ever could.

[Phil Monte]

Do you guys think that there are a lot of people that would make the argument that Mamdani is, is, is Islam first. And then there are people that would say that he is leftist first. What is your sense of, you know.

[Dan Dillon]

I think he's Islam first.

[Guest/Caller]

Wow.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Real. Okay. I'm curious.

[Dan Dillon]

I, I mean just based upon the circles that he has been courting, I guess you would Say, I think that, that it's still unpopular enough to be Islam first in a major city like New York, that you kind of have to be hushed about it. But based upon the people he surrounded himself with, especially towards the end of the election cycle, I think that that's just a decoy to get.

[Elad Eliyahu]

So I think he is anti American first. I'll give you a real answer. He's. But he's anti American first. I do believe he is Muslim first and he's using leftist politics as a vehicle for his anti Americanism.

[Phil Monte]

Correct.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So absolutely, I'm, I'm going to answer somewhat similarly. Little bit of a distinction here though. I think that he's leftist first, but in the sense that the reason leftism appeals to him is because of the anti white identity coalition that forms around, around it. I believe that he views himself very much as a member of his specific ethnic group. And this is basically what he was saying during a speech. You know, black and brown solidarity will defeat white supremacy. To, to him, it seems the most important thing is pushing back against what he views as like white hegemony. I think he's fueled by racial resentment. I believe that his Islamic beliefs probably play a role in that. So it's difficult to separate, separate it, I think.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, I think his anti colonial beliefs are downstream from his Islamic beliefs and resentment from. Is like downstream from there.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And well, this is important because it's like, is he a leftist? First wife said this a million times before. But leftism is essentially just the intellectual rationalization for social decay. And as societies decay, the thing that people care more about than their actual values are things like skin color. So you look in prison, they're not like having debates over, over, you know, what policies they think they should have as inmates as they interact with each other, they go with their racial group because when everything else has broken down, that's what people gravitate towards. And so because left. Leftism is social decay, it doesn't lend itself towards people just coalescing with their own specific racial or ethnic group and not in the sense where they like, love or prefer their own people, but where they hate other groups like they hate white people, for example. Example. And I think Mandami is a really good example of that. So I don't know that there's this like complex, you know, ideological rationalization for it. I think that the thing that matters to him quite a lot is his ethnic identity. All right, so we have from Nathan o', Connell, there are foreign combatants inside our country. American civilians are providing Material and financial support. At what point is troops treason not an acceptable charge for these supporters? Yeah, I mean, I think if you have enemies of the United States operating within our borders and Americans are funding them, then they absolutely need to be tried for treason. I'm not sure if someone has, like, a more nuanced or complicated answer than that. But first, you're comfortable saying that they're.

[Dan Dillon]

Throwing bricks, you know, Amen. A lot easier to find them. But yes, they. They both should be punished.

[Elad Eliyahu]

They're taking cues from the Palestinians with that one with the rock throwing. Huh? We should just go to the next one.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Hold on. No, we're gonna sit with that. We're gonna sit with Elon's. Oh, my gosh. I called you Elon. We're gonna say.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I don't know. I guess that's a compliment.

[Phil Monte]

Eat all this.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We gotta. We gotta. Gotta put this. So. Oh, oh, next.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You're showing too much hair, by the way, for it to be.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I know. It's a real dude. I have to pull it all the way down.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Like, all the way down here. Remember?

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's true.

[Elad Eliyahu]

He hides his hair under the beanie.

[Phil Monte]

Why don't you shave your head tomorrow?

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's what I should do. I should just completely shave my head. Scotty Mitts says, as the time honor tradition demands, I am super chatting to report that I'm watching from the hospital. My wife has given birth to our second and third daughters second and third day. So the second and third daughters she's given birth to that fine day. That's triple. She is triplets. No, I'm kidding. Bad joke. God bless you guys. We're very happy for you. That's amazing. I'm glad you're super chat chatting in. And what good news. We talk about some difficult things that happen in the world on this show. So it's always nice to get a little white pill like that. Oh, man. So we have this, this username, Mammalian cloned beef and pork has entered the Canadian food supply without safety testing or mandatory labeling, followed by the cutting of 300 ostriches in BC. Seems weird. A. They said A, so we know they are Canadian. So this was. This all has to to be true. I have no idea about this story. Are you guys familiar with this story of clones?

[Dan Dillon]

More ostriches.

[Phil Monte]

Their marketplace, like 300 of them. They just offed them for no reason because they're like, oh, bird flu or something.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Didn't Biden do this with a bunch of chickens?

[Phil Monte]

More than 300 chickens.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, yeah, more than 300. But I know that there was a.

[Phil Monte]

Bunch of chickens enough that the the cost of eggs went through the roof for a while.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. So nice. And this is a crazy thing where they wouldn't they not they like wouldn't let the farmers quarantine the chickens or something. They're like, you have to do it our way. Oh yeah. No, of course. Course the people in D.C. know the most about farming.

[Phil Monte]

Y Of course they do.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Bunch of geniuses. All right, let's grab another one.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah. Sheamus, can I ask you a question?

[Seamus Coughlin]

So hold on. Well, I I want to make sure we get to these chats but I I listen on the after show. We will really. Yeah.

[Elad Eliyahu]

You guys need to sign up for the discord. Be sure to sign up tim cast.com Become a member.

[Shane Cashman]

Yeah.

[Phil Monte]

You can you could you could have joined a lot in myself before for the show today and and questions.

[Elad Eliyahu]

It was intimate. It was an intimate pre show.

[Phil Monte]

That sounds gross.

[Elad Eliyahu]

With a lot in Phil.

[Seamus Coughlin]

All right. So from Libertarian hawk they said 35 year residential appraiser in Florida. Here the 50 year mortgage would decimate equity building. 50 year mortgage would take 36 years before principal would pass interest payments. That's crazy.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Doesn't sound kosher to me.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Doesn't sound very good. 36.

[Guest/Caller]

If it's all written as it would as you'd assume. Assume it would be. Yeah. That's yeah.

[Dan Dillon]

For $188 savings on a $400,000 house.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah. Yeah. That's like actually completely insane.

[Dan Dillon]

And it's nuts.

[Seamus Coughlin]

That's completely insane. Bill Dozer. Oh no. They said y' all going to talk about why Rand opposed this. Talk about them trying to criminalize hemp. Again, Elad is misleading. A f no. How do you answer to these charges?

[Elad Eliyahu]

Repeat the super chat. I know Rand Paul was trying to change some amendment that they were changing in Kansas regarding some hemp law laws. I don't think a government shutdown is what he should try to leverage to change this law. Every other Republican senator voted to continue to open the government so the president can continue his agenda. I don't think this is a good cop out for rant.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Hold on a second.

[Phil Monte]

Hold on a lot. Just hates libertarians because they will go against the MAGA agenda and so because of that that he will always frame them in the worst possible light. He will never be charitable to them. You must understand that it's hard to be charitable to I, I I I.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I they oppose mass reportation.

[Phil Monte]

Is true.

[Elad Eliyahu]

And he does not Deny agenda in Venezuela. They oppose the president in every which way. With I again like with Republicans like you know, Massey and Rand Paul who needs Democrats but we don't need to get too much.

[Phil Monte]

Never be a charitable Char. He will never steal me and their arguments ever.

[Elad Eliyahu]

What did he say specifically? He's like, oh, it's good that Rand, you know, was grandstanding on some niche law that nobody cares about. Again, never said that's what it is. I don't think the government shutdown should be leveraged. I agree with laws about hemp laws that are, that are actually staying the same. He wants to change them to have his vote be brought in.

[Phil Monte]

Everything I said instead of maintaining the status quo.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Hold on a second. These libertarians will air travel shut down down.

[Phil Monte]

You will never steal man the argument. You will never have a.

[Elad Eliyahu]

All right, let's get next super chat.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So I'm going to read two of these. Two of these questions we have from Ryan Hunter regarding mortgages. If the borrower, if the borrower is given three choices with equity rates, 30 years, 50 years and 50 years with monthly costs of 30 years, additional money is used as down payment. You save on interest and finish at 24.5 years.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I'm a neocon, not an economist.

[Phil Monte]

Can we bomb the mortgage then let the economist talk.

[Guest/Caller]

Well, I mean that's the thing is like you have to see how everything is written up. Like we don't know. We don't know what is available. We don't know what's possible. Like they are the government, they decide how this stuff goes. So I guess we'll just see.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah. Doesn't the Fed control rates and that will affect the prices of homes as well. And hey, if you don't have any money, buy a home in West Virginia.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Mm mm. We. There's. That is not financial advice. That is not financial advice. We have to be very careful. We're not. We don't give financial advice on this show. Lesandra and Stormwalker says make it illegal for BlackRock or Vanguard or any of these other companies to own single family homes. My sister in law and her husband sold their house and blackrock brought bought it and paid over the asking price. Well, it sounds like you're jealous of your sister and her.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Yeah, that sounds like crazy cope. She should be happy that she got paid extra. And also this is a crap because BlackRock barely owns any of these single family homes.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I disavow. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Elon is actually does BlackRock legitimately own far less than 1%. And this is just like a cope for housing prices being an issue in our country.

[Phil Monte]

Remember you are so remember BlackRock and like these, these, these fund managers and stuff, they're publicly traded. So it's, it does help for the people that own stock in these companies as well.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I just want to say most people retire. I was, I was just making, I was just cracking a quip, making a little joke when I said that. You're jealous. I don't think you're jealous and I agree with your concern. I think it's legitimate. One thing I will mention is yes, a lot. I think you are correct that BlackRock buying up residential properties is certainly not the main culprit here. I think this is a way that people want to misdirect some of the anger at other more serious issues like millions and millions, millions, tens of millions of illegals being in the United States and regulations that prevent new houses from being built, new residential properties in constructions from, from underway. So there, there's, there's a lot to this.

[Guest/Caller]

Like dude, you're from New York. You know, all those big skyscrapers and all those apartments that have like nobody in them because they just bought it as like a land. Like you know, oh, it's going to hold some property here in US etc, pay lower taxes. That's what needs to change. It's like there's so many more systemic things that need to change in order for it to actually be fixed. But that's a good one for you here, Seamus.

[Elad Eliyahu]

I think this is real estate being a commodity. That's an issue because that's what we're really talking about here. Right. Real estate as a commodity. Commodity and people using it as a vehicle to store their wealth in.

[Guest/Caller]

Right. I think that should be changed.

[Seamus Coughlin]

I think there's a lot of truth in that. It's complete. I mean it feels like so much of the economy at this point is built on that. It's difficult to know how we could strip that away. And property ownership has become one of the primary vehicles of generating wealth. Your average middle class family. So decommodifying it could, could actually really hurt the middle class. But ultimately I think you're right that it probably is a more sensible way to operate your economy where the, the house is not merely viewed as an asset.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Or the very least something. I don't know if it's possible to like detangle it from being an asset and still allow it to be the vehicle for wealth generation that it is. So I don't, I Don't know, like, is there a way to do this where we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater?

[Elad Eliyahu]

We need another Levittown. We need a mass produce. These, you know, have these nice neighborhoods on Long island. Produce. Bill O'Reilly's. That's where he was born and raised, by the way, down in Long Island.

[Guest/Caller]

I think it like, I think got about to go. Going to be short term pain no matter what. There's going to be short term pain to correct what's happened because we've been sold, like we've been sold out, we've been screwed over. So no matter what happens, there's going to be short term pain and then hopefully in the long term it works out. That's the only thing we can hope for at this point. But yeah, this one was pretty good.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Amen.

[Seamus Coughlin]

All right, so we have from Matthew Pacheco, they said 26 year old Denver, Colorado Mager. Another. I thought that was short for something. And then I remember that, that Tim made that guys. Yeah. And proud Catholic carrying on the tradition of super chatting. Well, my wife is in labor, another one, second second child and second son. I love the idea of all these guys in the waiting room like outside just super chatting and watching.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Honey, honey, wait. Honey, wait.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, it's kind of based. It's kind of based. And thank you for your chat. Please pray for my wife's health and love you, Seamus. God bless you. God has blessed you, man, with the children. That is a beautiful thing. That is a beautiful thing. Good for you. Good for you. Very happy. Very happy for them. It looks like we probably got time for like maybe one or two more.

[Phil Monte]

Four or five more.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Maybe five more. Maybe 12 more.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Six, seven more.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Stop it. You're, you're off. You're kicked off the show. You can never come back on for that one.

[Guest/Caller]

Let's see, I can find something inside.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Rumble.

[Guest/Caller]

Let's go over here.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, the rumble rants.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Some rumble rants. So this person says, outside of people at work who do fly regularly, only a few in my life fly and it's rare. I think most normies are completely unaffected by this and the rest of the shutdown.

[Dan Dillon]

That's a one dimensional way of looking at it. If the entire economy is affected by people being able to move throughout the country, you're affected by it in ways that you don't even realize it. I mean, just because you're not persistent flying doesn't mean that people have to get places.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah, true.

[Dan Dillon]

It's a part of the economic Engine we've got.

[Seamus Coughlin]

No, I totally agree with you. And I'm shocked that our. Our neocon Reagan loving trickle down econ advocate doesn't see that.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, no. I'm gonna be late on my flight to Barbados.

[Seamus Coughlin]

The wealth's not gonna trickle down, Elad. I thought you believe in that. All right, so Squirtle Pone says, about to take my wife to the hospital.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Oh, wow.

[Seamus Coughlin]

We think it's time we have our second baby girl. Good night, IRL crew. Thank you so much.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Congratulations.

[Seamus Coughlin]

God bless.

[Phil Monte]

Awesome to hear.

[Elad Eliyahu]

We're hoping everything goes smoothly.

[Seamus Coughlin]

God bless you. Good for you. That's beautiful. I. I love seeing that. Three of those tonight. Yeah, it's a good white pill. It's because the government opened back up and now people can have children again.

[Phil Monte]

Make babies.

[Seamus Coughlin]

So this person, Gage Ramsey, says America first. Americans don't want to fund the rest of the world's war. Wars especially. They spelled it Israel. And our is there. Does that. The algorithm flag that word or something?

[Guest/Caller]

I wonder.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, I could see why, because maybe that's like a clever way of spelling it so the algorithm doesn't find it. And we are pretty sick of their influence in our country. And then they said the B is cooked.

[Dan Dillon]

Nice.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah, great one.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Nice.

[Guest/Caller]

Right here. This botanical gardens, I think, is it butanical?

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's botanical gardens.

[Phil Monte]

Butane.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Yeah.

[Phil Monte]

Good.

[Seamus Coughlin]

Bought 7 acres four years ago in Arizona. 1,200 an acre. 20k all in for tiny house, 5k for solar. Now 15k an acre. Thanks, Cali. 6k a month goes a long way on no bills. Buy land and move off the grid. What do you guys think of that?

[Phil Monte]

I mean, look, if you have the.

[Dan Dillon]

Ability to do it.

[Phil Monte]

Yeah, I was going to say it's not for everybody.

[Dan Dillon]

I mean, there's way more, way less people that can do that than fly commercial. I can tell you.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Last time I went to Phoenix, the only thing that stuck with me is how many homeless people there were everywhere. Yeah, I was like, I thought they didn't exist like that outside of the cities. No, maybe it has something to do with the Native Americans there too, but it was just everywhere.

[Phil Monte]

I think it has to do with the fact that it's hot all the time.

[Elad Eliyahu]

That's why people are homeless guys in Phoenix.

[Seamus Coughlin]

You are going to believe it. This is a. Hold on. Oh, no. You keep going. But I've got a crazy. Another crazy announcement.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Now pump it out. Let's hear it.

[Seamus Coughlin]

It's a crazy day, guys. We have from Swim Smart as a tradition Watching Tim Castle the wife delivers another patriot. Welcome Arthur to the fight and support our small business swim smart. Well, God bless you. Congratulations on the baby. That's really exciting. Well, listen guys, it's been a great show. We're gonna go over our members only segment as soon as we are done here for a spicy and interesting conversation, I'm sure. I'm Seamus Cox. Douglan standing in for Tim and everyone if you want to plug anything before we wrap.

[Dan Dillon]

Thanks for. Thanks for having me on the show. If everybody wants to check out the beyond parody podcast as well, that's the podcast that we run that's kind of a a marriage of not the Bee and the Babylon Bee. That's weekly on Fridays on. You can find it on YouTube and on Rumble.

[Elad Eliyahu]

Absolutely. Good evening everybody. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode. I hope you enjoyed the the change up with Seamus at the helm for the this time. I am Elad Eliyahu. I'm the White House correspondent here at Tim cast. You could find me on social media at a lot. Eliyahu.

[Phil Monte]

Hello everybody. I am Phil that remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. You can check out our stuff on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

[Seamus Coughlin]

And my name is Seamus Coughlin. I'm the creator of Freedom Tunes. We've done over 600 animated videos, over a million subscribers, over 290 million views, zero spent on marketing. We need to fight back against the left. And you cannot win the culture war without making culture. That's why we're making a full length animated show. We've already completed the pilot. You can go see it for yourself if you support us@ twisted plots.com. we can't win the culture war without making culture Story is the number one way people learn about the world. And the left is currently in total control of all of the mechanisms of producing and delivering stories to people with their ownership over big tech and television networks and film studios. So if you want to help us fight back before it's too late and preserve our country from the people who are chipping away at it through their propaganda and have been for decades, you need to go to twistedplots.com and you need to support us before it's too late. We've already raised a massive amount of money. We're 70% of the way there after just a couple weeks. But this is our final week and it ends late Thursday night. So go over to twisted plots.com support us help us build the future of entertainment. Entertainment. Thank you so much for watching. I'm Seamus Coughlin, standing in for Tim Poole, and we're going to see you on the Members Only after Segment Sa.

[Dan Dillon]

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[Dan Dillon]

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[Dan Dillon]

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