Israeli Staffers ASSASSINATED, Suspect Yelled FREE PALESTINE, PRAISED Luigi Mangione w/ Scott Horton

Summary

Timcast IRL Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Israeli Staffers ASSASSINATED, Suspect Yelled FREE PALESTINE, PRAISED Luigi Mangione w/ Scott Horton
Release Date: May 23, 2025
Host: Tim Pool (Timcast Media)
Guest: Scott Horton

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1. Tragic Assassination in Washington D.C.

Phil opens the episode by reporting a harrowing incident: two Israeli citizens were murdered in Washington D.C. by a leftist gunman who was shouting "Free Palestine" during the attack. The suspect, Elias Rodriguez (30), reportedly praised Luigi Mangioni and posted messages like "Death to America" on social media prior to the attack.

• Phil: "The murderer...has been said to be a fan of Luigi Mangioni and he's posted Death to America." [00:00]

Scott Horton discusses the implications of this act, emphasizing that such violence undermines the Palestinian cause and highlights the dangers of extremist ideologies.

• Scott Horton: "This is the worst kind of thing somebody could do to discredit the cause that they support." [07:43]

Horton further connects historical U.S. foreign policies to the rise of terrorism, arguing that American support for Israel has been a primary motivator for groups like Al Qaeda.

• Scott Horton: "Israel and America's support for Israel is the primary reason that America's own Al Qaeda terrorist mercenaries...turned on the United States." [08:16]

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2. Harvard's Restriction on International Students

The discussion shifts to recent actions by the Trump administration that have impacted Harvard University's ability to enroll international students. Phil speculates on the legal challenges this decision might face.

• Phil: "...Donald Trump's administration ending Harvard's ability to enroll international students... likely to go to the Supreme Court." [00:00]

Scott Horton criticizes the administration's move as retaliatory and unjustified, arguing it serves as a warning to other academic institutions about their stance on Israel and Palestine.

• Scott Horton: "But that was what they said." [25:38]

The conversation touches upon broader themes of governmental overreach into academic freedoms and the politicization of university admissions.

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3. FTC Probe into Media Matters for America

Phil reports that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has launched an investigation into Media Matters for America over allegations of colluding with advertisers to harm Elon Musk's social media platform, X (formerly Twitter).

• Phil: "The FTC has reportedly launched an investigation into the far left advocacy group Media Matters for America..." [60:15]

Scott Horton expresses strong disdain for Media Matters, labeling them as a "smear merchant" and questioning the validity of their claims against X.

• Scott Horton: "I hate Media Matters. That guy. Oh, they're the worst dude." [62:19]

The discussion highlights concerns over media bias, censorship, and the manipulation of advertising revenue to influence social media platforms.

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4. Boosting Nuclear Power Amid AI Boom

The Trump administration is set to sign executive orders aimed at revitalizing the U.S. nuclear energy industry to meet the soaring energy demands from artificial intelligence (AI) advancements.

• Phil: "US President Donald Trump will sign executive orders...aim to jumpstart the nuclear energy industry..." [77:00]

Scott Horton debates the feasibility and implications of deregulating the nuclear sector, emphasizing the need for safety without hampering technological progress.

• Scott Horton: "If you're talking about... get rid of all of them... We were talking about... How long does it take them..." [80:23]

The conversation also contrasts U.S. energy strategies with China's comprehensive approach, underscoring the competitive edge AI requires in terms of power consumption.

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5. Plane Crash in San Diego Claims Lives

A devastating plane crash in San Diego resulted in the deaths of at least two individuals, including Dave Shapiro, the drummer from the band The Devil Wears Prada. The private jet crashed into a military neighborhood, igniting homes and vehicles.

• Phil: "The person that passed away that I knew was the drummer of the Devil Wears Prada." [89:11]

Scott Horton reflects on the frequency of air accidents, particularly involving private aircraft, and emphasizes the importance of adhering to safety protocols.

• Scott Horton: "It's pretty scary, man." [96:50]

The hosts express their condolences and discuss the broader implications of aviation safety.

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6. Anti-Semitism and Leftist Movements

Alad Eliyahu, the White House correspondent, delves into the rise of anti-Semitic sentiments intertwined with leftist protests in the U.S. He draws connections between such attacks and broader geopolitical issues, particularly U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.

• Alad Eliyahu: "I think that's what globalizing the so-called intifada looks like." [56:58]

Scott Horton agrees, attributing recent violence to extremist interpretations of leftist ideologies that conflates anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. He advocates for distinguishing between legitimate criticism and extremist rhetoric.

• Scott Horton: "All of them were right." [114:00]

The discussion underscores the dangers of politicizing ethnic and national identities, leading to increased polarization and violence.

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7. Defend the Guard Act and Legislative Efforts

Scott Horton highlights the "Defend the Guard Act" passed unanimously in the Arizona Senate, which aims to restrict governors from deploying National Guard troops without congressional approval. He urges listeners, especially veterans and libertarians, to support this initiative to reinforce constitutional checks on military power.

• Scott Horton: "It is the most important thing for the anti-war movement in America today." [97:05]

The segment emphasizes grassroots legislative efforts to curtail executive power in military deployments, reflecting a growing movement towards constitutional fidelity.

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Notable Quotes

• Scott Horton: "This is the worst kind of thing somebody could do to discredit the cause that they support." [07:43]

• Phil: "Donald Trump's administration ending Harvard's ability to enroll international students... likely to go to the Supreme Court." [00:00]

• Scott Horton: "I hate Media Matters. That guy. Oh, they're the worst dude." [62:19]

• Phil: "US President Donald Trump will sign executive orders...aim to jumpstart the nuclear energy industry..." [77:00]

• Scott Horton: "This is a pretty long flight too, from Jersey to California, you know. That's a. It's a fair. Pretty capable jet to be. To do that flight..." [90:24]

• Alad Eliyahu: "I think that's what globalizing the so-called intifada looks like." [56:58]

• Scott Horton: "If you're talking about... get rid of all of them... We were talking about... How long does it take them..." [80:23]

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Conclusion

The episode of Timcast IRL hosted by Phil with guest Scott Horton provides a critical examination of recent violent acts motivated by extremist ideologies, governmental overreach into academic freedoms, media manipulation against conservative platforms, and the pressing need to revitalize the U.S. nuclear energy sector amidst technological advancements. The hosts emphasize the importance of legislative actions like the "Defend the Guard Act" to reinforce constitutional principles and advocate for balanced foreign policies to mitigate the roots of terrorism.

Listeners are encouraged to engage with opposing viewpoints critically and support initiatives that uphold individual freedoms and constitutional integrity.

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Transcript

[Phil]

Last night in D.C. two Israeli citizens were murdered by a leftist who was screaming Free Palestine. The the murderer, the gunman has been been said to be a fan of Luigi Mangioni and he's posted Death to America. So we're going to get into that. We have see we have some information about Donald Trump's administration ending Harvard's ability to enroll international students, which I'm not sure exactly the legalities of that. I imagine that that's actually going to go to the Supreme Court like most of the Donald Trump executive orders. Also, the FTC launched a probe of far left group Media Matters over allegations of advisor collusion against Musk's Esk X. Excuse me. Which I think would be is a, is a, is a pretty good thing. There are actually free speech questions about that but we'll get into that. There's also an order to boost nuclear power as soon as Friday from the Trump administration and this is in conjunction with a lot of questions about does the US have the power needs to compete with China in the air race. So we're going to talk about that. There was a, another jet crashed, this happened in San Diego and unfortunately there was someone on, on board that I actually knew. The drummer from, from the Devil Wears Prada lost his life. Also a very well known booking agent was on board. So we'll discuss that in conjunction with the possibility of, of these, these, these crashes being more common. So we'll talk about that. But before we get into that we why don't you head on over to Caspre.com and buy some coffee. Everybody knows that Casper.com is the best coffee. Everybody's saying it. At least that's what I've been told. We have the K cups available now. You've got Ian's Graphene Dream is available in K cups. You've got the, what was it the Appalachian Nights, which is the most popular coffee I think right after Ian's Graph Graphene Dream that's available in K cups. So head on over to cast brew.com and pick yourself up some coffee. Then head on over to Timcast.com and become a member. You can join our Discord and that's how you get access to the after show where you can call in, talk to our guests. You can meet like minded people, you can discuss similar ideas. You can watch other podcasts that are available on on the in the Discord. You got Roman Nation, you got Tyler Today News. So head on over to timcast.com and join the Discord and also go to rumble.com and become a member and you can join the after show to watch the uncensored rumble after show. So right now though, I want you to smash the like button. I want you to tell your all your friends about the show and we're going to talk about all these things and more. Joining us tonight is Scott Horton.

[Scott Horton]

Hey, man, how are you?

[Phil]

How are you, Scott? Tell everybody who you are and what you do.

[Scott Horton]

I'm an anti government type from Austin, Texas. Ron Paulian, basically. I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute and I write books. My latest is Provoked How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine. And I do a show, the Scott Horton show, which [e-mail] Scott HortonShow and I'm on hiatus from X right now because I can't use it. I can only abuse it. And I have some other responsibilities I got to take care of.

[Phil]

Didn't you.

[Scott Horton]

Some other projects I'm working on.

[Phil]

Didn't you start anti war.com as well? No, I didn't start that. You?

[Scott Horton]

No, I've been there for. Since 2004.

[Phil]

Okay. So.

[Scott Horton]

But I'm the editorial director of antiwar.com as well.

[Phil]

Awesome. Well, thank you very much. Mary's here.

[Mary Morgan]

I just can't get over it. That book looks like a dictionary. Like, how long did that take you?

[Scott Horton]

It took me about two and a half years. About two years. I had a couple of months I had to stop. I had a hard time figuring out what to leave out. My last book, I wanted to be like as brief as possible of a take on each of the terror wars. But this one, I felt like the idea behind it basically is that the burden of proof is on me really to say if, if I'm going to say everybody else is wrong for the past 40 years about everything that they did to cause a terrible problem, then I better prove it. So I did. So about a quarter of this is footnotes. It's got 7,000 citations.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Wow.

[Mary Morgan]

Well, apologies because I did not introduce myself. My name is Mary Morgan and you will usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Tim Cast. We actually had a Phil on today, which makes it three thrashing Thursday it was.

[Phil]

And a lot here.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Good evening, everybody. I am a lot Eliyahu, the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. Let's get into it.

[Phil]

All right, so like I said in the beginning, the post millennial reports DC Free Palestine shooting suspect charged with first degree murder praised Luigi Mangioni and posted Death to America says a report violence does not happen but if it does, then it should the Account the account wrote in the past, the man accused of shooting a couple from the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C. weekend this week reportedly posted praise for Luigi Mangioni and wrote Death to America as well as I voted for Hamas on social media. He has been charged with first degree murder in the case. A criminal complaint states that Elias Rodriguez, 30, has been charged with murder of foreign officials, causing the death of a person through the use of a firearm, discharge of a firearm during a crime of violence, as well as two counts of first degree murder. According to the New York Post, federal authorities are working to connect a social media account reportedly linked to Rodriguez. Law enforcement sources told the outlet it Rodriguez, a socialist activist, and yet a socialist activist, yelled Free Palestine as police were taking him into custody, was arriving for the killing of Yaron Liszinski and his girlfriend Sarah Lynn Milgram. The couple was set to engage to get engaged next week. Scott, I don't think that there is a more well versed authority on the situation in Gaza and Palace and, well, Gaza than you, but I think that it sounds like at least the way that the post Millennial is is reporting it sounds like this goes beyond just the situation in Gaza. But I'd like to know your thoughts with the, with the beginning one. And before we get into actually, I wanted to mention that you directed me to Ken Klippenstein's substack post and I think that it's worth all of our viewers reading that he posted the, the manifesto that the, that Rodriguez had made and it was dated, I think a week or so before this happened. So it's not, it hasn't been tampered with or whatever. There's timestamp. But I'd like to hear your thoughts. Sure.

[Scott Horton]

Okay. Well, a few things. First of all, I'm not the best, although I'm really good on it.

[Phil]

Okay.

[Scott Horton]

My guys are the best.

[Phil]

You're the most humble.

[Scott Horton]

I, I, I, I, I truly could not recommend More highly Dave DeCamp, especially our news [e-mail] who covers this stuff in and out every day and, and is the best, Kyle Anzalone as well. And the whole crew over [e-mail] and there are a lot of other people who are really great on it, so I won't claim that. And then I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought on what the second point I was going to make. But the third one I'll just skip to. I'll see if I can remember that later. The main point being first of all, it's obviously first degree murder, premeditated assassination. So either life in prison without parole or death penalty, whatever the state, you know, or that is the jurisdiction. Oh, I guess it'll be a federal case.

[Phil]

So. Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

So death penalty's been reinstated on the federal level. Right. So laters for him. I mean. Yeah, that's terrible. And, and it should be condemned, especially by anybody who is sympathetic with the Palestinians. If the guy thought he was helping the Palestinians, obviously he might as well have been working for the Israelis, as far as that goes. Something like this is the worst kind of thing somebody could do to discredit the cause that they support. But, you know, I'm sure you're familiar with Saul Alinsky.

[Phil]

Yes.

[Scott Horton]

That wrote Rules for Radicals. And I'm not a commie, by the way. I learned this from the John Birchers.

[Phil]

That Sol Scott is very far away from communist. I'm, I, I'll definitely vouch for Scott on that. He's very, very far away from.

[Scott Horton]

Thank you. Thank you. But it is. I'm pretty sure it's page 74 of rules for Radicals, because I did. I need, I needed the footnote. And what he says in there is in all asymmetrical political action, the action is in the reaction of the opposition. Right. So it's all about creating a conflict, heightening tensions, this kind of thing. So what he's trying to do, I mean, assuming the guy thought it through, it all, what he's trying to do is get Trump to clamp down harder on pro Palestine protesters and then get them to react harder against him and just like trolling back and forth. Right. Each other, heightening the tension and making things worse in order to try to. To cause the change. So that's the strategy behind. I mean, presumably, if you had a strategy at all other than just angrily lashing out to murder these people, one thing is only in the most ironic sense. You understand what I mean? That just everybody else got lucky, other than this poor couple, that this guy could have set off a truck bomb and killed a bunch of innocent people. And I've been predicting this for a long time. It's this time it was a commie. On New Year's, it was army veteran, convert to Islam who attacked Bourbon Street.

[Phil]

Y.

[Scott Horton]

Right. And now this all got obscured because there was that other veteran set off the truck bomb in Las Vegas with that weird letter to Sean Ryan and all this stuff that obscured the whole thing. What happened on Bourbon Street. And now they never released the guy's video, rants they say that he, he recorded himself on, on his drive to New Orleans from Houston. Right. They haven't released that or transcripts of that as far as I know yet. But I'm willing to go out on a limb and bet you 10 bucks that what he was ranting about was the war in Gaza. And then what happened was it's not even a war, the canned hunt, the slaughter of these poor people over there. And then what he did was slaughter a bunch of innocent people partying on Bourbon street on New Year's Eve. So in other words, like other than children, you couldn't get more innocent of civilians than just people out drinking, having a good time, doing nothing. And they got to pay the price for Israel's sins here. And the point being, not obviously, as everyone should understand, not to justify what they're doing, but to explain that's their justification, that's their rationalization. And so supporting Israel the way that we do it is not in America's national interest. And I wish Tim was here because I'd like to remind him, as I told him before, and this is, I think obscured by a lot of smoke and a lot of other things, but Israel and America's support for Israel is the primary reason that America's own Al Qaeda terrorist mercenaries turned on the United States of America and hit us not just on September 11th, but all through the 1990s. Their first attack here, it was, you know, proto Al Qaeda, Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Their first attack here was Rabbi Kahane in New York City, and he was a radical right wing rabbi from the Koch Party, which the Israeli Supreme Court had banned for being fascist. And they assassinated him in New York City. And it was the same crew that in 1990, okay, and he had a really good Jewish lawyer that got the. Any like everything narrowed down to just this very narrow question. And the whole investigation into the rest of his coconspirators got all trashed. And the same group went on to bomb the World Trade center in 1993 with Ramsay Yousef, with Ramsey Yousef, and see the story there. People don't know this. It's an interesting one. The FBI could have stopped it. It's a side point, but it's worth making. The FBI had an informant inside the group and the two agents working the case were doing a good job, but their boss prevented them from following through. And he cut the guy's pay and he demanded that he wear a wire, which was impossible. He would have got caught. So the informant who was going to make a fake bomb left the plot. And then they brought in Ramsey Youssef. And Youssef is the one who cooked the real bomb. And they almost succeeded in toppling one tower over into the other, which would have hit a few more too, could have been killed.

[Phil]

Most people don't re. Don't think about it because the. The consequences weren't catching.

[Scott Horton]

People were killed, so people just blew it off. And then of course, the ATF raided the Branch Davidians church two days later. And so that is what took all the attention away from the first.

[Phil]

Was it that I didn't realize they were that close in time.

[Scott Horton]

The February 26th and the 28th there a Sunday morning. They rated them because they thought, well, they'll all be at church, so we'll catch them by surprise. That's what you do, you know, when you're the ATF anyway. And then all through the 1990s, this is the same group who. They tried to kill Americans at the hotel, a Radisson Hotel in Yemen in 1992. Americans training the Saudi National Guard in 1995. The barracks, the Cobar Towers barracks in. Killed 19American airmen in 1996. Then the Africa embassies in 98. The coal in 2000, eventually September 11th. And this whole time, this group of guys working for bin Laden and Zawahiri, they were motivated primarily whole propaganda. And never mind exactly what Bin Laden believed because he's a murderer. So who cares what he says, right? As far as you don't take his word for anything. But the point is, this is how he recruited people, is he would point at America's occupation of Saudi Arabia in order to dual contain Iraq and Iran at Israel's behest.

[Phil]

See, I thought.

[Scott Horton]

And. And American support for Israel in their persecution of the Palestinians and the Lebanese. Those are the top two things on the list of their reasons. And these guys worked for Bill Clinton the whole time they're bombing us.

[Phil]

Ye.

[Scott Horton]

Bill Clinton's still backing him in Bosnia and Kosovo and Chechnya, and he thinks he's cute. Ten of the 19 hijackers had fought on America's side in Bosnia or Chechnya before they turned around and hit us.

[Phil]

Okay.

[Scott Horton]

And I'm not going truther on you. I'm saying the Americans were playing this cute game where we get to use these terrorists to kill Serbs and Russians. And don't worry, we know what we're doing. But meanwhile, the things that they were doing in the Middle east that were motivating them to turn against us were still going on.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

And so. And I'm sorry you were going to say about the dual containment there.

[Phil]

No, I just, it was like I'm aware the, the, the situation where bin Laden was saying, you know, the major reason why he was. One of the major reasons why he was. He was looking to attack the US Was because of the fact the US Built a base in Saudi Arabia and they can. He considered that like sullying the holy land because.

[Scott Horton]

And it's bombing Iraq from those bases.

[Phil]

Well he.

[Scott Horton]

The whole 1990s long enforcing the no fly zone and enforcing the blockade.

[Phil]

Again, this is something that my understanding was that that Bin Laden was pod. That that he didn't get to bring his Mujahideen in to defend the Saudis because.

[Scott Horton]

Right.

[Phil]

He wanted to get the Saudis. He was like look, you know my dad, you like we're friends, we're family essentially. Let I just beat the Russians. Let me bring my mujahideen here. We will kick, you know, Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait and we'll make sure that this, that the Saudi Arabian, you know, make sure that Saudis are safe. And the Saudis said no, we're going to go with the Americans. And he. To that, you know, he was like what the f. We're, you know, you know my. Again and you know my dad. And they built a base which is a bad thing to the Saudis.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. And you can look, there's a, it's a hilarious. There's a hilarious interview of Dick Cheney by Bill Crystal on Bill Crystal's podcast, if you can believe it. And they talk about Cheney's entire career, except they don't talk about Iraq War two at all. For some reason they just leave that out. But anyway, when they talk about Iraq War one, Cheney explains that never even mind the Secretary of State, he promised the king as soon as the war is over, we'll leave. And it was on that condition that they were allowed to come in in the first place.

[Phil]

So.

[Scott Horton]

And then. But anyway, go ahead.

[Phil]

It's your sense that the, that the, the Saudi royal family actually wanted the U. S was would intend for the US to leave. They wanted that. Or do you think that the Saudi royal family was like, ah, this is kind of convenient for us because it gave them the ability to say they, they had the defense that the US Provides and they could say well you know, the US Lied to us, but what are we going to do? How are we supposed to.

[Scott Horton]

I think that's largely right. Okay, but see, so the excuse was that the, that George Bush Sr. Had encouraged the Shiites to rise up and overthrow Saddam and then had stabbed them in the back and let Saddam Hussein massacre them all because they were being led by people that had been living Iraqis who've been living in Iran for 20 years and, or no, by that time, sorry, 10 years, and were on their way to inherit the revolution. So he stabbed them in the back and left them high and dry and let Saddam massacre them all. Then they said, well, now we have to stay to enforce this no FL and this blockade. And so that was. And then Bill Clinton continued the policy. Now when Bill Clinton came in, he stupidly said out loud, well, I think we could maybe normalize relations with Iraq. Well, that set everybody off. And so what the Kuwaitis did was they rigged this fake plot against H.W. bush. Everybody still believes in this, that Saddam tried to kill Bush senior in Kuwait with a truck bomb. But it's such a stupid lie. And Seymour Hersh debunked it in an article called Case Closed and all, or Case Not Closed is actually what it's called. And, and all it was was a whiskey smuggling ring that they embellished into this plot against Bush because he happened to be in town kind of thing. And then once that happened, that was like the final straw for Bill Clinton to give in to the Israeli policy. It was Yitzhak Rabin's policy that he was insisting on, and it was his agent, Martin Indick, who actually had previously worked for Yitzhak Shamir, the Likud prime minister, uh, who, who dreamt up and inaugurated the policy of what they called dual containment. And the idea was, because America just beat up Saddam Hussein so bad in Iraq War One, he's now not powerful enough to balance against Iran. So America has to stay to balance against them both.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Scott.

[Scott Horton]

So that, and then that becomes, then again, the leading cause of these terrorists that worked for the United States then turning against us, knocking down our towers, hitting our Pentagon and kicking off another 20 years of war.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I know, go ahead. We ran through a ton.

[Scott Horton]

I know it's a lot. Go ahead.

[Alad Eliyahu]

And it's really hard to absorb when you kind of just blast it out like that. So I wanted to kind of focus in on something like, practical that's going on in geopolitics right now. And that's like the Iran nuclear deal that President Trump is trying to strike with Iran. So, like, I don't know, I want to understand the Libertarian Institute's position on the Iran nuclear dealer. What do you think America's interests are moving forward while Iran is trying to acquire A nuclear weapon.

[Scott Horton]

Well, your premise is wrong there. So here's what it is, and it's a. It's a complicated subject, but I'm with it. The bottom line to start is Iran has a latent nuclear deterrent which is essentially equal to Germany, Brazil, Japan, where they've mastered the fuel cycle. They've proven that they know how to enrich uranium. They could make a nuclear bomb, but they don't. And they're essentially announcing to the world, don't make me, and then they won't.

[Mary Morgan]

How long would it take them?

[Scott Horton]

So. So that's a great question. So, first of all, they mastered the fuel cycle 20 years ago, so this has been their position. They could have built atom bombs by now, but they haven't tried. So right now, they could achieve one atomic bomb of enriched uranium, you know, in a shorter time than when the deal was still being followed, because they have built up a stockpile of lower enriched uranium so they could take that stockpile and enrich it higher. Before Trump tore up the deal, under the Obama deal, they exported all of their stockpile out of the country to France, and then France would turn it into fuel rods and ship it back in.

[Alad Eliyahu]

You're doing, you're explaining, but I want to understand, what is the libertarian institution?

[Scott Horton]

Well, I'm just saying. I was answering her specific question. There's my, My position is I support. And the vast majority of Americans, I think, so it was 68% in the poll said they support Trump's diplomacy with Iran to make a new deal with Iran.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So if Iran tries to get nuclear weapons, how should the United States respond?

[Scott Horton]

Well, to. Skip ahead to. If it came to that, I mean. Well, no, not skip ahead because you're kind of assuming the conclusion in a way. It's like this, basically. Okay, it's a Mexican type standoff, sort of not like more than two people pointing guns at each other, but sort of where they are saying, look, man, in, in body language, diplomatic language, they're basically saying, if you bomb us, well, then we'll have no choice but to make nukes then. So don't bomb us and we won't make nukes. And America. And America's saying, don't make nukes and we won't bomb you. Right. So we have a good. The perfect basis for a negotiation. As things stand right now. They're not trying to make a nuclear bomb.

[Alad Eliyahu]

They're not trying to make a nuclear bomb.

[Scott Horton]

No, they're. No, they're not trying to make a nuclear bomb. And in fact, you can read from February 5 where Tulsi Gabbard, the DNI put out her threat assessment and they just said the same thing that the government's been saying.

[Alad Eliyahu]

If they.

[Scott Horton]

Wait, let me finish. Now they've been. Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence just, just reaffirmed what the CIA has been saying since 2007, which is they have not made the political decision to try to make nuclear weapons.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Yes.

[Scott Horton]

I feel like you're not have a nuclear weapons program.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So if Iran decides to try to make a nuclear weapon, how should the United States respond?

[Scott Horton]

Well, I'm saying there's every reason to believe they won't unless we bomb them first. Okay, so you're sort of starting from okay, but never mind all that.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I'm going down.

[Mary Morgan]

I mean is that without a deal or after a deal?

[Alad Eliyahu]

I'm just trying to understand if push comes to show and there is no.

[Scott Horton]

Nuclear deal, I'm a non interventionist either.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So I'm trying to understand. So you if Iran decides to try to get a nuclear weapon.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah.

[Alad Eliyahu]

You think what we should do nothing?

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. The same position that Eisenhower had on the ussr.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I don't care about Eisenhower.

[Scott Horton]

I'm not the same position that that Johnson had on Mao Tse Tung. The craziest person, the most murdered psychopath who ever lived. Johnson said I'm not going to attack him to prevent him from getting a nuclear.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So you should just allow you to.

[Scott Horton]

Yes.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So yes, we should just allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. What do you think the consequences of that in the area would be?

[Scott Horton]

Well, according to Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud.

[Alad Eliyahu]

According to Scott Horton.

[Scott Horton]

I agree with Netanyahu when he told Jeffrey Goldberg that he does not fear a first strike from Iran at all. He fears an Israeli brain drain. That talented Israelis of means would just get up, pack up and move to Florida and feel safer there and that would be bad for Israel and it would give Hezbollah possibly more freedom of action in the region.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So that was what it's a little.

[Scott Horton]

Bit rich because that was what Benjamin.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Netanyahu and you have no concerns about acquiring a nuclear weapon. And I know you could pivot.

[Scott Horton]

Israel has a nuclear deterrent. Israel has more than 200 nuclear deterrents.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I know, but I'm trying to go like I don't think you've thought this fully through. So that's why I'm asking you what do you think the consequences would be in the Middle East? Do you think Saudi Arabia would want to try to acquire a nuclear weapon if Iran did. I'm begging the question because they've said so already. Do you have any concerns about, you know, nuclear pro. What?

[Scott Horton]

Actually one of the proposals right now is that they would have a joint nuclear program together.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Okay.

[Scott Horton]

So under a consortium, just like we have multinational nuclear consortium.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Mohammed bin Salman said that if Iran got a nuclear weapon, they would want to acquire nuclear weapon. So I guess the bigger issue here would be nuclear proliferation in across the Middle East. So I don't know, is that a concern or is this a pipe dream?

[Scott Horton]

You are begging the question when your whole hypothetical is the day after tomorrow, the Ayatollah decides to make a nuke for no reason.

[Alad Eliyahu]

They've been saying they want to make a nuke.

[Scott Horton]

No, they haven't.

[Alad Eliyahu]

No, they haven't been.

[Scott Horton]

You're wrong about that.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Might be in a little bit.

[Scott Horton]

Anyone watching this, just look up the threat assessment from February of this year by Tulsi Gabbard and it says they have not made the political decision to attempt.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Maybe I'm a little bit crazy, but I think it's a death to America to get a nuclear weapon. And to think there aren't going to be consequences of nuclear proliferation in the Middle East, I think is naive and nearsighted, frankly. And again, it doesn't even sound like you have this stuff thought out, frankly.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, no, I don't know anything about it. They signed the Non Proliferation treaty back in 1968.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So you think Iran should just.

[Scott Horton]

Why won't you just let me finish?

[Alad Eliyahu]

Go ahead.

[Scott Horton]

They signed the Non proliferation treaty in 1968. They mastered the fuel cycle in 2005. They have never enriched to weapons grade. They still have a safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency which has inspectors at all of their facilities. When they signed the 2015 deal with Obama and the rest of the Security Council, they poured concrete into their Iraq heavy water reactor. They expanded inspections even to non nuclear military facilities and, and. And scale back the number of centrifuges spinning at Natanz. I haven't thought this through at all. I don't really don't know nothing about this.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Need a nuclear program at all is the question why?

[Scott Horton]

Because. So they can sell their oil and burn their local domestic supply of uranium that they mine domestically. They don't buy it on the international market. They have their own supply of uranium. They sell their oil for money.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

And have a domestic and as ready. The first thing I said about this was it's a latent nuclear deterrent. Wasn't that the first thing I said? Was that it's a latent nuclear deterrent, just like Brazil has.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Just like nuclear deterrent, but they don't have any plans.

[Scott Horton]

If China started threatening Japan, Japan could convert their civilian nuclear program to a military nuclear program.

[Alad Eliyahu]

They already have nuclear weapons.

[Scott Horton]

I mean, all right, yeah, I didn't say if China got nuclear weapons. I said if China started threatening Japan with them, then Japan, every. China knows Japan could turn around and make nukes. Right now they don't have nukes because they've been nuked and they've got an anti nuke principle that they're sticking by. There are nuclear push comes and that's true. They're allies with the United States. But if push comes to shove, they can. They have demonstrated that they can make nuclear weapons. That's the exact same.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I guess my point here is that nuclear proliferation in the mouth.

[Phil]

Guys. Hey, guys.

[Scott Horton]

Like this, this is ridiculous. You're just playing straight for the camera. You're not even talking to me anymore.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I'm talking to you, but you're not. No, you have to pivot to random things while I'm trying to get. And you weasel around my question.

[Phil]

He's not weaseling around your questions at all.

[Scott Horton]

I said they, they mastered the fuel cycle in 2005. They've been able to enrich uranium and they've never enriched to weapons grade. They've stayed within the non proliferation treaty. Even when Trump tore up the Obama deal, they still stayed within it. And even the deal itself, the JCPOA itself stipulates that if America breaks the deal, Iran is allowed to stop abiding by some of its restrictions and still stay in the deal. And they are still in the deal with our allies, the British and the French on the UN Security Council as well as our adversaries Russia and China. And under that old deal, by the way, it was only majority rule. It was not any country can veto like normal UNSC rules. So it was if America, Britain and France agree about an accusation against Iran, they have to open up to inspections, whatever we want, or else the full global sanctions regime goes automatically back into place. It was a perfectly good deal. Donald Trump is clearly trying to work out a deal along those lines right now. The question is whether he's going to stick with this essentially deal killing poison pill that says that Iran must cease all enrichment because they're not going to cease all enrichment because again, they need that latent deterrent.

[Phil]

I want, guys, I want to bring this back to. I want to bring this back to the US and what this means for the United States. Because it's my sense that this, and, and I, we, we can talk about, you know, the history in, in the Middle east all night, but it's my sense that, but the situation that happened last night with the murder of the two Israelis, what you said earlier about it being terrible for, for Gaza and stuff, I, I think that you're, you're spot on with that. But I do feel like as much as this he says that this is about Israel and about Gaza, I do think that in the United States there is a very strong current of socialist leftists that have nothing but, but disdain for the United States. And his, his previous comments about, you know, Luigi Mangioni, I think that those are worth noting because it did happen in the U.S. i think that the, the situation in Gaza for a lot of American leftists is just an excuse. Just like you were saying that the, the, what Bin Laden does is using the situation in Gaza to recruit people. I feel like that that's. The situation in Gaza is done by the, the left does the same thing.

[Scott Horton]

I agree with.

[Phil]

And that's, that's a, like an overlap but. And look good.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. No, Communists are the worst on everything. You know, we used to make fun of them because where'd the anti war left go? It wasn't even Obama. It was once Nancy Pelosi took over the house in oh six and the anti war left disappeared. They climbed back into power on Nancy Sheehan's back and then they vanished. And we used to laugh. See where the anti war left go now we're like, oh man, I wish they would have just stayed gone. We don't need anti American, anti Western communists taking our side on anything. It just looks bad. It's like when you agree with Joe Biden about bombing the poor Gazans. You're like, man, I'm getting Joe Biden all over me as well as the blood of these poor kids. You don't want that association. You know, and I wish that all of these kids would just become patriots and capitalists and then continue to protest the war. You know, remember clean for Gene. Not this is before our time, but when Eugene McCarthy ran for.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

For President, he was the really wanted to end the war in Vietnam and all the hippies cut their hair and shave their beards and said let's get clean for Gene and go out there and show these people that we're not anti Americans. We're pro Americans, but we're pro peace here.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

And that is absolutely what matters. And, and yes. No Communists burn everything they touch, you know, and it. And it makes the perfect foil for the war party that look who's on the side of peace. An assassin. You know what I mean? And then you could just get to blow off everything else. But meanwhile, you know, we really should talk about what's happening in Gaza, because it's an absolute horror show. Donald Trump himself said that people there are starving, and that's not an accident. There has been a full blockade. They haven't allowed any trucks there in 11 weeks. And you can read it on antiwar.com every day. There are literally babies starving to death.

[Phil]

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[Scott Horton]

And. And never mind a couple hundred people getting bombed to death every single day. It's like imagine the Waco massacre.

[Phil]

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[Scott Horton]

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[Phil]

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[Scott Horton]

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[Phil]

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[Scott Horton]

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[Scott Horton]

Conditions apply over and over and over every single day for a year and a half. And people talk about, sometimes on this show, too, about Gaza and Palestine, like it's a separate sovereign nation. And. And this, you know, as Ben Shapiro always says, like, what would we do if Mexico attacked across the Rio Grande? But that's not right. This is an Indian reservation. The Israelis conquered it back in 1967. They de facto annexed it in 67. It's completely under their control. It's their siege. It would be like if some black gangsters in South Chicago went to North Chicago and committed some crimes and we built a wall around South Chicago and just started bombing the ghetto and kill 50,000 people, bombing them with airstrikes over what is a. What was essentially a massive crime, a terrible crime, or. Or even on the margin, I mean, obviously a terrorist attack too. And that wasn't the marginal part. I was going to say an act of war in a. In a sense, but what's proportion to 1200 dead? And as. I don't know if you guys have covered this at all, but you must know and. And Max Blumenthal did a fantastic documentary about this called Atrocity Inc. You guys should have him on here.

[Phil]

We've had him on. I was we actually sat down and talked to him.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. So he did this thing, Atrocity Inc. Where he showed where all of the worst atrocities from October 7th were embellished. The beheaded babies, the. The baby that was cut from the pregnant woman's stomach, the baby thrown in the oven, babies hung from clothes wires. Now why do they do that? It was already like over what, 800 civilians. And I don't know the exact number, but it was hundreds of civilians along with, With. Well, but there were. There are soldiers too. Okay, but I'm just saying some combatants. But which combatants were under the rules are fair game, but non combatants are not. But I'm just saying, as horrible as it already was, why did they tell their own people, your mom wasn't just killed, she was raped to death all day.

[Phil]

So why do they do that? They did.

[Scott Horton]

Wait, let me finish. They did it so they could justify actually cutting kids heads off. Right. They have been the ones killing babies. They have just short of 900 named babies short of their first birthday who've died in Gaza over the last year and a half. Been killed over the last year and a half. That's real.

[Phil]

We had. We had Max on and we had. It was. It was back in the old. The old studio. And I'm a little skeptical of Max. And the reason is because when. When we were talking, he shows his.

[Scott Horton]

Notes in that documentary, though. He shows his work the whole time. Everyone can watch. It's called Atrocity Inc. And he proves that. He cites Israeli media for most of it.

[Phil]

Okay, well, his. One of the things that really set me off about it was he was. When he was talking about the people at the raves, at the rave that. That was attacked, he was like, oh, you know, and he brought up. He's like, you know, these. These kids were on drugs and blah. And I'm like, I mean, look, you know, I'm in a band and I remember what it was like hearing stories about the Bataclan and. And, you know, tear. The terror attack in France. And, you know, I knew people that knew. I didn't know anyone that was actually at the Bataclan, but I knew people that knew people. Like, I. We had people.

[Scott Horton]

What was the context of bringing up that they were on drugs?

[Phil]

I don't know. That's why I was like, why I'd have to.

[Scott Horton]

I'd have to hear it.

[Phil]

And it just. It rubbed me the wrong way, dude.

[Scott Horton]

He's a leftist, but he's a good dude.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

Like I said, you know, he's not anti American. He is a patriot, all right? He's just. And, and he's hardcore in this issue. And look, I mean, I interviewed him back, and he moved to Israel and lived there for 10 months to write his book, Goliath, back years ago. And, you know, he's heavily invested in this. He went during the 2014, like, just at the very tail end of the 2014 campaign. He and Dan Cohen. Cohen went in there, went to Gaza, and they did this incredible documentary. It's called Killing Gaza. And everybody can watch it for free online. It's Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen. And, man, I'll tell you, they go around, they interview all these people, and, you know, you can call it selective editing or whatever, but, like, here's two nice Jewish boys parading around the Gaza Strip, putting their microphone in all these people's faces, and everybody's talking. They sound like they could be a Texan or from wherever you're from that you see this dirt? This is my grandfather's house. This is my land, and you can't have it, and I'll fight for it, et cetera, et cetera. Nobody says Allah says that I'm supposed to hate and kill Jews and Christians and blah, blah, blah. Nobody says that. Nobody says, we hate your freedom. Everybody says we're poor, exploded victims and all we want is justice and to be free and watch that documentary, dude, you see the humanity in these people, dude, they're exactly like us. There's so much propaganda try to make us hate the Palestinian people, but Hamas is not the Palestinian people. And as I guess you know, the laud foisted Hamas on the Palestinian people in the first place just so they could cynically say we have no partner for peace. You don't expect us to negotiate with terrorists, do you? When, of course, they were the ones who put them in power. And you can read it in the Wall Street Journal by Andrew Higgins, you can read it in UPI by Richard Sale, and you can read it Robert Dris's great book Devil's game, and in T.R. parsi's great book, the Treacherous Alliance.

[Phil]

I, I'm. I'm familiar with the, with the situation where, where the Likud party was, was looking to have. They were sending money to Hamas or whatever, so that way Hamas would stay in. In power. So they had basically an enemy.

[Scott Horton]

And they would say, this is how we prevent a Palestinian state. We keep the Palestinians divided between Fatah in the west bank and the. The religious kook, Hamas in the Gaza Strip. And then this is what this is what Dov Weissglass, who was an advisor to Ariel Sharon, said. He says now that we've withdrawn and Hamas is prominent in Gaza, now we have a no one to talk to certificate from the US Congress. And it says that we have no one to talk to. Sorry. And we won't have anyone to talk to until Gaza becomes Norway. See you then. Shalom. He says. Right. So in other words, they want that land. They don't want peace. They want to kill those people, drive them out of there and steal their property, even though God says you're not supposed to covet your neighbor's property.

[Phil]

What were you going to say?

[Alad Eliyahu]

I was going to ask.

[Phil]

Right.

[Alad Eliyahu]

For how Israel props up Hamas. What's the specific allegation that they allowed money that Qatar was sending them through, that they didn't continue to sanction money?

[Scott Horton]

Well, it depends. If you go back in history, they ate and embedded the ris. Hamas in the first place. The Shin Bet and the Mossad both working together, did that in beginning, I believe, in 1988 and into. I think that's right. And. And into the 1990s was. Was when they did that in the first place was to divide and. And for the purpose of dividing and conquering the Palestinians. As far as Netanyahu's policy, I'm not exactly sure when the Qatari money began. It's in the early August, but it was. It. There was Israeli money that was going directly to them first before they got the Qataris to do it. And then. And I have an article that I would recommend to you. It's called Netanyahu Support for Hamas Backfired. And in there, I have all the sources and hyperlinks for you there. For tons of sources and from mostly Israeli press and quoting Likud after Likud after Likud. Parliamentarian and propagandist explaining why this is a brilliant Machiavellian strategy to make the Europeans, the Americans, and the Tel Aviv liberals shut up about a Palestinian state. Because as long as Hamas rules the Palestinian state, we have a no one to talk to certificate. And we can say, we have no partner for peace. It's always these little cliches, right, that you're supposed to be easy to memorize. We have no partner for peace. Say it with me now. We have no partner for peace. And that means we get to kill them all and steal all their property. See, what a great gimmick I'm trying to understand?

[Alad Eliyahu]

I think it's a little bit of a stretch to say because they allowed sanctioned money from Qatar to eventually go in that they, like, prop them up. I think it's stripping away.

[Scott Horton]

That's what they said.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Can I please, Scott? I'll let you talk for minutes, please.

[Scott Horton]

But that's what they said.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Great. So I think it's a stretch because you're really stripping the agency from the Palestinians to think like the Palestinians don't support Hamas. I think you're kind of deluding yourself to think that, like, the reason that Hamas is in power is because of the Israelis. When they had their last election. Scott, please don't. When they had their last election, they elected Hamas. And I think this also speaks to some of. Isn't it, Scott? Right. When they had their last election, they elected Hamas.

[Scott Horton]

Well, let's zoom in a little bit. In fact, what happened was George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice forced them to hold an election with step one. Step two was that Hamas did not win a majority in a single district anywhere in Palestine, in the west bank or the Gaza Strip. They won a meager plurality in the parliament in Gaza. And then George W. Bush, Elliot Abrams, Ehud Olmert, and see, who is this? Oh, it's still Hosni Mubarak in Egypt all work together to try to do a coup to overthrow Hamas and put Fatah in power.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I think Hamas is popular among the Gazans.

[Scott Horton]

I'm just telling you the history of what happened was.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I know, but you're being around the point.

[Scott Horton]

They want a bare plurality, not a majority in a single district anywhere. And this was in. In 2006.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Say that of Likud in Israel, too.

[Scott Horton]

By the way, when half of the population of the Gaza strip were under 18 and unable to vote anyway. And then you're diluting yourself to think. And then they did a fail.

[Alad Eliyahu]

And then looting yourself. Like, I don't understand. You don't think these people in Gaza support Hamas?

[Scott Horton]

And then they did this failed coup.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Even in the West.

[Scott Horton]

It's in Vanity Fair by David Rose. And it's about how Elliot Abrams, the neoconservative, had this great idea that what we'll do is a coup against Hamas and we'll put Fatah in there. But it backfired and Hamas grabbed all their guns and ran Fatah out of there. And so, no, there you're telling me you're sitting at this table telling me the people of the Gaza Strip have popular sovereignty and the rule of law and that Hamas is the duly elected power in the Gaza Strip, which is nothing.

[Alad Eliyahu]

But I think I know the people in Gaza they're nothing. And even hear their supporters, you know.

[Scott Horton]

They support Hamas, they're the Aryan nations running a prison. They're the Crips running the black part.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Of it with the Israelis.

[Scott Horton]

They're the Latin.

[Alad Eliyahu]

If you don't let the money go in, then, oh, they're in a starving. Oh, you're, they're in a starving prison. You didn't let their money in.

[Phil]

Hey, a lot we got, we got to move on.

[Alad Eliyahu]

And then you let their money is, oh, you're supporting and profiting.

[Phil]

We got to move on. So listen, we're going to jump to this story. We're going to jump to some, some, some domestic stories here. Trump the Trump administration is ending Harvard's Ability to Enroll international students the BBC is reporting the Trump administration has moved to end Harvard's ability to enroll international students, escalating a standoff with America's oldest university. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem wrote on X that the administration revoked Harvard student and exchange visitor program certification as a result of their failure to adhere to the law. Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country, she wrote. On Thursday, Harvard called the move unlawful in a statement. We are fully committed to maintaining Harvard's ability to host our international students and scholars who hail from more than 140 countries and enrich the university and this nation immeasurably, the university responded. We are working quickly to provide guidance and support to members of our community. This retaliatory action threatens serious harm to the Harvard community and our country and undermines Harvard's academic and research mission. The Trump administration administration decision could affect thousands of international students who study at the university. Over 6,700 international students were enrolled at the institution last academic year, university data shows, making up to 27% of its student body. We're seeing a lot of confusion on this, sarah Davis, an Australian student received a grad after receiving a graduate degree, told BBC NewsHour. Now, now, I'm not sure, I'm not 100% sure of the context of this, but I'm, I believe it's because of the, the failure to, is it the failure to protect Jewish students? Is that the, the argument here?

[Scott Horton]

Excuse?

[Phil]

That's the excuse.

[Scott Horton]

I mean, this goes to, in fact, back to our original point about this assassination. Trump tweeted out. This assassination was obviously caused by anti Semitism.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

I mean, would you buy it if anybody said that the reason you hate Trump is you just hate Dutch people? This is, it's not what's going on here that we have a rise in anti Jewishness around the country. People are upset over what's happening to the Palestinians at the hands of Israeli fighter bombers.

[Phil]

I legitimately think that that is like, like we were discussing earlier, that's an excuse. I think that it's. There's a lot of people that. Because, yeah, because they use Gaza as an excuse, but Gaza is only, only in the past couple of years. And this sentiment about, about, you know, this anti American sentiment that's. This has been going on since the George Floyd. Definitely since the George Floyd riots.

[Scott Horton]

Because if what you're saying is leftists need to protest something at all times and this is something. And so they're protesting it. That's true, but that doesn't mean that it's all very disingenuous. In fact, look at how many Jewish students are leading these protests and participating in these protests.

[Phil]

Yeah, but it's the point, the point that like you said, I do think like the leftist. It's the, it's the leftists that are dissatisfied with their own lives. And to be honest with you, I think a lot of it is luxury beliefs. Right. Like people that are the people that are upset about these situations, that a lot of times they don't know what's going on.

[Scott Horton]

But they're college kids. Right. That other people don't protest anyway. There are plenty of people who are sick and tired of this, you know, including like half of Republicans are sick and tired of this and want a ceasefire a year ago. They don't go out and protest with signs and chant. No, that's just only with American flags instead. Right. Like they just don't protest at all. That's just not how they do it. So, yeah, protesting is a thing that young leftists do. But you know, there was this piece in the New York Times, I guess two days ago now, now about how the Heritage foundation had this huge plan is, I guess. Well, the New York Times like made it coincide with the 2025 thing. I don't know if that was part of it or not, but it was, I think, a separate thing at Heritage. But the whole thing was a multi prong attack on all opposition to Israeli foreign policy in America. And the whole idea is just to smear everyone as anti Semites and Hamas supporters.

[Phil]

I mean, that's clearly not working.

[Scott Horton]

And then what? Well, I mean, they're trying. No, I mean, it is working. That's. I think part of what this is about is whatever degree the national government has, or at least the executive branch has over the universities. They're doing everything they can to get the universities to stop all these protests and intervene. And it's just the start, you know. But why should we have to give up any freedom whatsoever over another country's foreign policy?

[Phil]

Well, I mean, we don't like, we don't have to give up any freedom. This is specifically about foreign students. So that, that's not really.

[Mary Morgan]

Are the existing foreign.

[Scott Horton]

Well, but they're legal here, right? I mean, they're not like illegal immigrants. They're here. They're abiding the rules. Now we got to change the rules if, if they cross the line and criticize Israel. Right.

[Mary Morgan]

Don't think the existing foreign students get to stay, right?

[Phil]

Yeah, I don't think that it's about existing students. I think that, that it's only for new admissions. For new admissions, yeah.

[Scott Horton]

Well, this is just about, well, it's just sticking it to Harvard in this way as punishment for the, and Harvard.

[Phil]

And Harvard, you know, like, look, there, there's a lot of things that Harvard's done that, that the right more broadly has an issue with. The DEI stuff, the fact that they're not admitting students that have higher scores because of their race. These kind of things have to stop. And I think that this particular issue, whereas this one, maybe there are people that are gonna make an excuse and say that it was about Gaza. This is more about Harvard beefing with the administration and beefing with the people that are trying to und what is basically ingrained in Harvard nowadays, which is the whole DEI leftist perspective. And they're, and when the administration tries to force them to unravel this stuff, this is the pushback that Harvard is going to go. They're going to say, oh, well, you know, look, it's, it's, it's about, they're, they're messing with our, our liberty to do this and blah, blah, blah. But I do think that this is more about trying to undo decades of leftist, you know, infiltration into the administration or into.

[Mary Morgan]

I find that hard to believe because there was no impetus in the first Trump administration defund Harvard or slap them with these, you know, new rules. Because anti white indoctrination was obviously already prominent in every Ivy League, every, every school.

[Phil]

I don't think that it was as.

[Mary Morgan]

Zero impetus to implement anything like this before.

[Phil]

I disagree with the, with the idea that it was obvious. And the reason is because I think that most of your normies didn't know about it until the Black Lives Matter riot. Most people, most of your average people it was. They weren't cognizant of it until it was put right in front of their face with the slogans and the things that were being said during the, during 2020, in the summer of Love. And when people saw that on display like that, then people are like, wait a minute, this is actually going on. Because everyone went.

[Mary Morgan]

Explanation that they're giving for this has nothing to do with that.

[Phil]

For the explanation that they're giving for why the. Why, why the kids are. Why they're not taking the, the administrative.

[Mary Morgan]

From the explanation that you read, there's no, there's no mention of DEI or critical theory or leftist indoctrination in higher education.

[Phil]

No, it. That like Tim was, or, I mean, like, like Scott was saying, the, the argument that's being made is, oh, it's anti Semitism, et cetera, but the, the ingrained opinions of the schools is this is all about the fight between the administration and, and, and Trump, the Trump administration. The, the attempts of the administration to undo what's been done.

[Scott Horton]

And again, where they're raping and torturing the term anti Semitism to mean opposition to Israel, killing little kids all day with our money, with our planes, our bombs, our diplomatic support, and, and with future dead Americans from terrorist attacks as the result. That's not anti Semitism. No, I'm, that's the last refuge of a scoundrel is what it is.

[Phil]

I'm on, I'm on record. Listen. I'm on record saying that calling these things, you know, blaming anti Semitism or using anti Semitism as an excuse to do things like cracking down on, on, you know, what is ostensibly freedom of speech, that's a bad, bad move, in my opinion. If you're going to send away people that are here on visas because they're critical of the West, America and Israel. Don't even bring up Israel. Just the fact that they're critical of the United States is, in my opinion, enough to pull their visa.

[Scott Horton]

What if all they're saying is Americ shouldn't be supporting Israel?

[Phil]

They're not just saying that, though. I mean, even this guy that shot those two, the two Israelis last night, he has all kinds of stuff where he's like, death to America, blah, blah, blah.

[Scott Horton]

The lady who had just like co authored a letter, sure. They're kicking her out of the country.

[Phil]

Yes.

[Scott Horton]

That was all she was saying, is America shouldn't be supporting what Israel is doing.

[Phil]

Maybe that's all that she was saying. And maybe in that specific case, then fine, then I would say, okay, Maybe she shouldn't be sent away. But if you're on record having anti American views, if you're a communist, communist and you, and you come to American.

[Scott Horton]

Is a pretty broad term too, man. Okay, if you're a communist, well hell.

[Phil]

Because we won't let people, if you, we won't let people into the country that are communist. If you're, if you're an avowed communist, the United States can say no, we're not going to give. In fact it's policy to say no, we're not giving you a green card. So if you come to the United States, you don't mention that you're a commie and then you go ahead and start doing things with DSA or whatever leftist organizations. I think it's perfectly legitimate for the government to say we're taking away your green card and sending you home. Now, now I don't think that they should be saying it's because of anti Semitism because that brings into question things that normal Americans don't have any, any stake in. Right. Like you can dislike, be searching for a pretext either.

[Scott Horton]

You know, if that's what it's really about is protecting Israel, because that is what is going on here.

[Phil]

I disagree with that. But I, but, but I understand what you're saying.

[Scott Horton]

You're saying the leftists are going to protest no matter what. But what I'm saying is the crackdown is because they're protesting Israel. If they're just protesting, you know, carbon emissions or whatever, we would not have this kind of censorship.

[Phil]

So I'm saying the crackdown should come, but it shouldn't come because of Israel. It should come because they're anti American.

[Scott Horton]

But that is why this crackdown is coming. Well, I mean if a foreign country.

[Phil]

Well yeah, and it shouldn't be. It should be just because they are anti American.

[Scott Horton]

During the Iraq war it was foreigners were and actually foreigners and Jews were the ones most likely to oppose the war. And even though, you know, the neoconservatives were doing it for Israel, most American Jews were liberals and opposed W. Bush on the thing. But most American like foreign born American citizens or you know, either naturalized or legal permanent residents or whatever, they opposed the war. Yeah, well all the native born guys like yeah, we got to stop Saddam from giving nukes to Osama. That's what George Bush said. And to that and they were, boy were they wrong. They should have listened to all those terrible anti American immigrants who knew better than them.

[Phil]

Your point? The immigrants that are actually American citizens, if they've been naturalized or whatever, that's fine. But if you're not a citizen, you have different, there are different standards, just to be clear. So you're. Because you mentioned I don't know the.

[Scott Horton]

Law on, on green cards and visas and, and whatever. Well, if you're.

[Phil]

Yeah, you're here on a student visa. If you're not a citizen, if you're a naturalized citizen, you're a citizen, say whatever you want. If you're a guest, you shouldn't be able to say things. They shouldn't put up with it.

[Scott Horton]

Freedom of speech on everything is more important. You've never lost an argument to a communist in your life. Dude. Why would we worry is America. Communists are no threat to this country. If anything, they bring in some good skepticism on some foreign policy issues. What else are they good for? I'm not sure. But what are they really dangerous where they're going to seize control of our agriculture policy and make it worse than it already is?

[Phil]

Well, I mean so I think that the, the, the, a lot of the left leaning stuff like the LGBT stuff that's all involved, that's all communist there, that's pushed by communism.

[Scott Horton]

Well, we need total separation of school and state there. I'm for abolishing all government subs, subsidization, control of any school on any level.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So as just the Jewish affairs correspondent, in addition to being the White House correspondent here at Tim Cast, I wanted to get a tidbit in on anti Semitism. I know not everybody in the chat loves hearing about it, but I think it's an opportune time to talk about it. Over the course of my lifetime, attitudes towards Jewish people in this country have become more skewed and more dangerous for everybody. Frankly. When I grew up going to temple, there weren't security guards there. But now when I go to temple there's always multiple security guards. And that's almost every synagogue across the country because there have been shootings at synagogues and whatnot. And then Jewish kids go to different college campuses and their aggressive chants about euphemisms towards violence towards Jews at these college campuses where they're getting mogged, where they're saying things like globalize the intifada and which I believe is a call for violence against Jews. And I believe what we saw last night in Washington D.C. was an anti Semitic attack. And it's what globalizing the so called intifada looks like. I cover a lot of anti Israel and what I think are anti American protests and they chant this all the time. And I think a lot of them know what they're saying, although many Islamists and FAR leftists will cover for that. So I think that's what we should consider. And also why should you care as MAGA people, as Trump supporters, I think it's important to about talk about why you guys should care and I think it's important to talk about why is this important. It's because in our country right now, among the far left, Israel is right wing and white coded. When people in the far left talks about this issue, they unperson Zionists as being Nazi white supremacists and therefore doing anything to a so called Zionist is justified. And many people on the far left, they're happy about civilians dying, they're proud of it. And they're proud of all of their terrorists. They say we won't condemn any of our martyrs. So I don't think we should be confused, confused about what these people's goals are. They think all settlers deserve to be killed, frankly. And once they are done calling all the Zionists Nazis, don't worry, they also call the MAGA people Zionists and they will also justify violence against you guys. Like many of the people online in the far left are justifying violence against so called settlers or so called Zionists or so called whatever have you. They're unpersoning these people and eventually it will also go to the magnificent people. MAGA people have been called Nazis for some time. I'm just very thankful that the Trump administration is, is more clear eyed on this than maybe communists or libertarians who tend to work together at many of these marches. Because I know we hate.

[Scott Horton]

I agree with some of what you say there. I've met leftists who, who also, you know, leftists have influenced me way too broadly. I mean, to me the only legitimate target for violence is somebody who's armed. And you know, when you're talking about political violence like this, you know, organized groups of armed men, they're all wearing black hats or at least some dark shade of gray. The only innocent people are the civilians. The white hats are the civilians. It's always wrong to kill civilians. And, and it's almost always stupid. Even if you don't have any morality, it's almost always completely idiotic for whatever cause that you're supporting. Like Israel. Killing so many innocent civilians in Gaza right now is what has turned so many people against Israel. Israel and in some cases on the margin, quite unfortunately against Jews, broadly speaking, which is completely wrong and stupid. But a lot of people are stupid, you know, What I mean like, yeah, I mean it's hard for as a libertarian, I'm an individualist, so I'm always permanently inoculated to coin a phrase. Sorry guys, against collectivist identification, certainly dehumanization of any group because I don't even believe in groups. There are no groups groups, there's just individuals. We're born one at a time and we got a right to live one at a time. And it's always wrong. This guy's crazy. And look, I've been in an argument recently with people who just say no if, if anyone even is living in Israel, never mind like a settler on the west bank on obviously like what is currently trespassing on Palestinian land, but even people living in so called Israel proper that it's all illegal trespassing and settlement and those people are fair game. And I got in a big argument about that with some people actually, actually recently because it's a pretty obvious sliding scale from white to black about who's a legitimate target and who is not a legitimate target. In fact, if you look, and this was part of my argument was look at how absolutely idiotic and horrible what Hamas did on October 7 was for their own cause. You got a huge cottage industry of people who think that Israel deliberately let it happen happen just because it served the Palestinians cause so horribly that they thought that Netanyahu must have let it happen on purpose just so he could get away with doing what he's doing. That is how horrible the reaction is from Hamas going outside and killing civilians. But just think of the counterfactual what if and Hamas is not quite Al Qaeda. You know, they've killed Al Qaeda guys before. They're like a click to the more one clicks more civilized than the bin lads nights. They could have and, and they have tight operational control of their armed forces too. They could have sealed the fence behind them and made sure no strangers are coming, only their guys. And they could have walked. They could have driven right past that rave.

[Phil]

Yep.

[Scott Horton]

They could have stopped and danced and then moved right on. They could have driven right past the kibbutzes and then gone straight to the military base and fought, grabbed some captives and done their thing. And they then, you know, they probably wouldn't have gotten any credit for that, but they certainly would have not gotten the reaction that they got for killing innocent women and children in that thing and just absolutely destroying their own credibility. And we're going to degree, we're going.

[Phil]

To jump to this story. The FTC has launched a probe of far Left group Media Matters over allegations of advertiser collusion against Musk's ex. The FTC has reportedly launched an investigation into the far left advocacy group Media Matters for America over its activism targeted tech billionaire Elon Musk's ex. The New York Times reported Wednesday that the FTC had sent a letter to Media Matters inquiring about whether it had illegally colluded with advertisers in order to harm Musk's social media platform. Media Matters for America did not immediately respond to Fox News Digital's request for comment. A spokesperson for the FTC declined to comment. Comment In 2023, major advertisers including IBM, Apple, Disney, Lionsgate and Paramount fled X after Media Matters published a report alleging their ads were appearing alongside anti semitic content. However, Musk filed a lawsuit against the liberal group alleging it completely misrepresented represented the real user experience in order to mislead advertisers and manipulated the algorithms that curate users feeds to get racist incendiary content to appear next to large advertisers. Paid post attorneys representing X said the report intentionally deceptive and caused financial harm. If you were a, if you were a user of X at the time. So this is in 2023. So this is just say two and a half years ago or so. I didn't see any kind of advertisements alongside anti Semitic material. I in fact at the time there wasn't a whole lot of anti semitic material on X to be honest with you because they were still kind of in the hack have it. Well maybe, maybe word hadn't really gotten out about, about how, how, how the the, the policies addicts were because they weren't kicking people off a lot. And to be honest with you I think that a lot of the anti Semitism that that you see nowadays is like we've been saying is in response to the October 7th attacks. Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

And the aftermath of that. Yeah, the consequence of that and you know I, I don't know exactly how this works but you know I think they probably already had like even before he bought it the algorithms were already set where things that have like you know, the kind of offensive speech that a bot can recognize it's going to keep that away from their major advertiser anyway. Right. They wanted to have it like that because I can't recall ever seeing, you know I can recall seeing a lot of mean spirited things on X, but I can't ever recall seeing the them just adjacent to a IBM ad. You know what I mean? I don't think that was ever Really a thing. I hope he kicks their ass. I hate Media Matters.

[Phil]

They're garbage.

[Scott Horton]

That guy. Oh, they're the worst dude. And I mean that Brock, what's his name? I forgot his first name.

[Phil]

I don't know.

[Scott Horton]

They've got to be a right wing hatchet man. And then he turned into. Oh, he, yeah, like in the, in the 1990s, he was like, he was one of these guys always flinging like the flimsiest kind of accusations that Bill Clinton.

[Phil]

Oh, okay.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, like getting in my way when I'm trying to really get out the guy. And then he turned into this ridiculous like Hillary ITE hack, you know, of the worst order.

[Phil]

We got a piece of media here from, from Laura Ingram. So let's.

[Scott Horton]

All right. Joining me now is former Trump Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker. Matt, you called this lawsuit revolutionary. Now, aside from its relative novelty, does it have a chance?

[E]

Yeah, and it does. It's going to be with you, Laura. And here's, you know, my analysis as I looked at the, this complaint. First of all, you know, Media Matters just manufactured this evidence. They created a way that only their unique account would be served this, these couple ads and then they suggested that this is par for the course. And we know based on, you know, everyone on the platform knows that this is not par for the course. But you know, what is so important is that Elon Musk, Musk and X are going to court and they're going to, you know, make these people defend their actions and their activities. And I think that to me is the most important thing because for so long, you know, conservatives have been, you know, deplatformed, demonetized and otherwise assaulted by these left wing groups and the mainstream media that gives them, you know, oxygen. And no one has been willing to go to court and ask, actually pursue their rights. And so I think this is a big deal for someone to invest money in the court and in lawyers to actually go after groups like Media Matters.

[Scott Horton]

No, you never see Media Matters upset that there are people posting on these social media platforms that call themselves minor attracted persons.

[Phil]

Right.

[Scott Horton]

They're attracted to minors. You know, oh, they're not pedophiles, but they're attracted to minors. I mean, so they don't have any problem. Great to see you.

[Phil]

Thank you so much, Laura. Yeah, I mean, without going on that.

[Scott Horton]

Tangent about liberals and their euphemisms, isn't this, wasn't there a story, wasn't there a story that was like kind of adjacent to the Twitter files that was about this consortium of Advertisers that would. They kind of had the ads that would be embedded on all different kinds of websites. And then they had this blacklist that was going around round of. I think it was people who are good on Russia Gay and or good on Covid were getting blacklisted in this way. And I guess I just wonder whether anybody's suing over that. I mean, Elon Musk has the lawyers, but what about, like. Because what it was, was it was like the, the blacklist was making it where it was. It was really precluding new people too. Like, if you're not grandfathered in, kind of, they could just exclude everybody from all this web ad revenue. New and yeah, I mean, gave a leg up to all the people they wanted to support.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, it was a really weird time there. There's always been some kind of, you know, collusion between, or at least for, in the past 10 years, for the majority of it, for the better part of the past 10 years, there was some kind of collusion between the, you know, the estate and, or the, the government and what was being put onto these websites. But this particular issue where it's, where it's Media Matters colluding with, well, essentially trying to do what they can to, to basically produce a scandal to try and harm monetarily, like, that's, that's something that I, you know, obviously I don't put it past Media Matters. That's something that, that fits right in their, their kind of smear merchant wheelhouse. But I don't know know, I don't know that that this is actually going to produce the kind of results that I'm hoping for. I mean, I would love to see Media Matters, you know, be put out of business, but I don't know that that even Elon Musk is going to be able to, to produce that kind of result. What do you, do you guys, do you have any thoughts on this? Mary?

[Mary Morgan]

Oh, it just reminds me of the YouTube ad Pocal, which was like ancient history now in Internet years. But that was back in. It started in late 2016, and then there was a second wave of ad Boycotts in early 2017, and I forgot what prompted it. It says that it was PewDiePie's fault that, that he was making.

[Phil]

Was it the bridge incident?

[Mary Morgan]

It was not the.

[Phil]

It was the bridge. No, it wasn't.

[Mary Morgan]

It wasn't the bridge incident in and of itself, because it says this was in. In February 2017, PewDiePie was under fire for posting videos that YouTube deemed anti Semitic. And hate speech, including jokes about Adolf Hitler and other things that I can't say out loud. Another example that I cannot say out loud on YouTube. And that led to the UK government, Coca Cola, Dr. Pepper Johnson and Johnson and many other major brands brands pulling or pausing their advertisements on YouTube. So as a result, YouTube freaked out and that's when they started cracking down on all content that was even geared toward an adult audience, let alone violating any community guidelines. So you couldn't even make controversial content at that point. Which I was watching right wing or right leaning or even libertarian youtubers at the time who were getting their channels completely demonetized a lot of guy. It affected everyone else as well. Like apolitical entertainers had their ad revenue docked in a major way and it was no longer able to be a source for their livelihood.

[Scott Horton]

They got a hell of a monopoly with that YouTube.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

Really do.

[Phil]

That's why. I mean, that's why, you know, platforms like Rumble are, you know, so important. So you should become a member of the Rumble Rumble. And so you.

[Scott Horton]

I saw1 on YouTube where. And this. You could have written like a short story about this or something. The guy's a real history professor from the university is science or whatever the thing. And he's telling a story about how Hitler censored the book. All quiet on the Western front. And he. In. In the. In the thing. I don't know what's going to happen to this YouTube later for me saying this in this thing. He's. You could tell, he's completely exasperated. He goes this is the sixth time I've uploaded this video. Okay, so here's what happened. The bad mustache man took over the Yahtzee party. And then he went and he did the bad thing to certain individuals of Jewish descent. And then. And he just has to jump through these insane. And it's like who's. What algorithm is inventing this news speak.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

That we all have to. Oh, the mean mustache man. He unalived many people of the. And it's like dude, why can't. You can't talk about. You can't be a historian from a. A professor at a university and talk about Hitler censoring a book. An anti war book.

[Phil]

I'm not gonna get in the world. I'm not gonna get.

[Scott Horton]

The algorithm says so right. There's no person in charge. It's a bot that gets to decide is.

[Phil]

Is. I mean at the time when this censorship kind of was be becoming something that these media, these corporations wanted to do, AI is still very New. And so the, these algorithms, they're not. And I don't even think that an algorithm could properly do it now. It would, it would, it would, you know, get a lot of things that, that aren't necessary to be, to be censored anyways. But you know, 10 years ago when the adpocalypse happened, they were, they were just babies. This new, this technology was new. And so like they were getting all kinds of erroneous hits and stuff. But even still, like last night there was a piece of news that came out that I'm not going to get into it, but it was regarding, it was regarding the Senate hearing about COVID and some of the vaccinations. And we couldn't talk about it because what the actual news was still might be something that would flag us here on YouTube because YouTube still is very finicky about what you're allowed to and not set and how do you even.

[Scott Horton]

Test it and know what the lines are? They never even say what the lines are.

[Phil]

Yeah, they don't.

[Scott Horton]

Right after the war, the Russia Ukraine war started in 22, there was a email that went out from Google that said, you better watch out. We're going to demonetize anyone who says anything that implies that, you know, whatever the way that they phrased it, that Ukraine in any way had anything to do with, do with why Russia would have invaded them. And we'll kick your ass.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Right.

[Scott Horton]

And like Google is, they're the kings of the world. Right. They run the world. If you can't, if Google can censor you, you're done.

[Phil]

Yeah. You know, but in this context, I do think that it's worth, you know, worth the, at least worth the lawsuit because of, you know, the collusion or not collusion, but the efforts of Media Matter because it was totally politically motivated. Right. Like Elon Musk. Musk bought X Media Matters because they're far leftists. They're, you know, the, the, they're about as far left as you can get and still be considered mainstream, I think is probably a fair way to say it.

[Scott Horton]

Okay.

[Phil]

You know, they're, they're. Without becoming, you know, tankies. I'm sure that they have people that work there that are far enough left that are like, well, you know, it's okay. The stuff that Luigi Mangioni does, considering people like Taylor Lorenzo say that and like she's made those kind of remarks. And so, you know, if Taylor Lorenz makes that remarks, I'm sure there are people there that would, that would agree with her. But overall, the, the, the organization as a whole is probably as far left as you can get without, you know, falling into the, you know, the bin of crazy.

[Scott Horton]

Although with their, their one and only mission being defend the Democratic Party and its power, I mean, that's what they're really about. They're not ideology first. They are servants of the Democratic Party party. That is their one and only mission.

[Phil]

All right, well, okay, so take that for, take that for what it's worth. But the fact that they were, you know, working against Elon Musk specifically because he didn't parrot their, their, their preferred politics and even, well, they have to cheat.

[Scott Horton]

Remember how Twitter was before Elon Musk?

[Phil]

Absolutely.

[Scott Horton]

I just kind of block it out. Like trauma based, like, don't want to think about. Man, it was horrible.

[Phil]

Yeah, it was, you know, it was really, really.

[Scott Horton]

And they knew how bad it was that they were losing it. They knew what a hit that was.

[Phil]

Going to be and, but that was, that was not just because of the, the, they're losing the ability to control what people sing, but the, the ability to build narratives. They could use the, they could use X and people on X to repost and retweet and make, you know, one piece of media seem like it had all kinds of reach that organically it didn't.

[Scott Horton]

You ever read John Rob? He, he writes a Global gorillas is his.

[Phil]

I think I follow him.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, he's a good dude. He like his expertise. He started out tracking jihadis in Iraq War two.

[Phil]

Okay.

[Scott Horton]

And then so he became like an expert on link analysis and networks.

[Phil]

Rb, Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The global gorilla report. Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

So he has brilliant stuff. And it's all about, it's all about the network swarms online and how they're formed and how they work work and how old liberal Twitter swarm used to work and, and how it's changed under Elon Musk and, and all kinds of stuff. He's got all kinds of insightful stuff. His one today is about how the Israelis just can't seem to get their act together when it comes to their messaging. They're being absolutely demolished in the battle of public opinion. It's mostly because they're in the wrong, but it's also because their arguments suck. So, so, and, and they, and they can't adapt to the new form of propaganda is basically what he's saying.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, I, I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to speak to that, but I, I, he's a really bright guy. I do follow John And I like the stuff that he he talks about but I think we're going to move on to let's see what do we got the this particular I think this is actually really important. We were posting interesting this there's a Reuters report Trump to sign orders to boost nuclear power as soon as Friday sources say Reuters reports US President Donald Trump will sign executive orders as soon as Friday that aim to jumpstart the nuclear energy industry by easing the regulatory process on approvals for new reactors and strengthening fuel supply chains. Four sources familiar said. Facing the first rise in power demand in two decades from the boom of artificial intelligence, Trump declared an energy emergency on his first day in office. Chris Wright, the energy secretary said that the race to develop power sources and data centers needed for AI's Manhattan Project to referring to the massive US program during World War II to develop atomic bombs. A draft summary of the order said Trump will invoke the Cold War era Defense Production act to declare a national emergency over US dependence on Russia and China for enriched uranium, nuclear fuel processing and advanced reactor inputs. The summary also directs agencies to permit and cite new nuclear facility facilities and directs the Department of Energy and Defense to identify federal lands and facilities for nuclear deployment and to streamline processes to get them built. Now people might not be aware of this but the amount of energy that China produces nowadays is, is almost like it's significantly better more than the US and they are they're using a whole whole like a holistic approach. So they're using coal fire plants. They just built a three gorgeous dam. They have plans for an even bigger dam that's gonna that is reported to be able to to power like an area the sign of size of Germany with a population of the of Germany. They're they've increased nuclear power so they're really taking the power consumption demands of AI very seriously. And if you listen to you know tech bros in in in Silicon Valley one of the things that they say is if we don't get or that they talk about regularly if we don't get our ability to produce power up to snuff fast then there's no way we're going to be able to compete with not even win but compete with China because China because all AI is so power intensive like it takes a lot of juice to run these gpus X or to what end though? Well I'm not, I don't know a whole bunch about AI and stuff but if it is the technology of the future you imagine so I mean right.

[Scott Horton]

Now by the way when you said Chinese and nuclear, you remind me I screwed up earlier. It wasn't Eisenhower, it was Truman who decided not to attack the Soviet Union before they got atom bombs.

[Phil]

Oh yes, that.

[Scott Horton]

I don't know what I was thinking.

[Phil]

That's okay. Sorry about that everybody. Misspeaks. But yeah, the, the amount of energy that AI takes is insane. And like right now like X has got or Tesla has all of the information that all, you know, all your Tesla cars report back to X and give them their telemetry and give them their, their experiences. So they use that to model AI. And you know that the Optimus robot is going to need significant AI in order to train it. And if Musk is right, he's talking about 10 million in Optimus robots I think by 2030 out in, in the, the world. Now you have, it takes a lot of compute to train them, but once you train one robot, that's training all of them because it's just, then it's just a download after that. So he's, I saw an interview of Musk today was, he was talking, he's like, look, all you do is you train a robot like you, like you train kids. Basically you let, you put an Optimus in a room room and you give it toys to play with. Like literally like the, the squares to put through the square hole and the star to put through the star hole. And that's how you train it to be able to function in the real world. And nowadays, because nowadays the way they train it is they, they have people put on a suit and a mask that can see and they'll do, you know, activities, whatever it is. That's why you see the Optimus robots that are, that can dance, they're pre programmed to dance like that. So there's someone that actually did that dance. They, they motion capture and then they just transfer that to the, to the optimist and it can do it. But to have an, an autonomous robot that they can actually sell as basically, you know, a servant inside your house, it has to be able to, you know, has to be able to, to manage your house. Not just the house that they saw, but it has to be able to manage a house that it's never been in. Get into the house, learn the house and go up and down the stairs or, or whatever, go see the robot. Exactly. And that's, that's the thing that Musk is talking, takes a lot of compute power. And right now the US just doesn't have the kind of energy production necessary China does, or China's at least making serious attempts to do it. But even something, it's crazy.

[Scott Horton]

The thing is, like, if I say to you, okay, man, we're going to repeal all the regulations that are preventing this from happening right now. Well, which regulations? Because I'd be the first to bet that probably 80% of them are stupid and, and redundant and irrelevant and, and hamstring proper efforts. On the other hand, if they're going to get rid of them, I guess I'd be willing to bet 80% that they would get rid of the wrong ones. The ones that actually keep Mr. Burns from irradiating us also.

[Phil]

I mean, that means you just have to get rid of all of them.

[Scott Horton]

But look, engineers are badass. I don't put it past them. They can do it. If, if, you know, assuming the checks and balances are there to, you know, keep everything inspected and safe, then I say go for it. We were talking about a little bit before we went on about, about how. I don't know a lot about this, but I've heard tell over the years from different sources and, and read a little bit here and there about how at least claims that for all the nuclear waste in the country right now, it could all be refined further and further and further in various steps to the point where it's completely inert and harmless and we get all that energy out of it and we're left with no dangerous waste at all. And the first time I heard about this and the second time I heard about this, they both said the same, the same thing. Jimmy Carter ruined it because he signed all these executive orders saying you're not allowed to transport the stuff around, but there's only one or two facilities that can handle this process. Yeah, and, but you're not allowed to move anything from here to there. And this kind of. But of course you could just build more of those reactors. I'm sure there's more regulations preventing those kinds of reactors from being built too. There haven't been a new reactor could be done. Right. Apparently. You know what I mean?

[Phil]

Absolutely. I mean, look, look, if you look at like Germany and France, right. Germany decided not to build nuclear reactors. Reactors. France decided that they were going to be building nuclear reactors. Germany ended up buying LP and, and energy production from Russia after they were sanctions. Yeah, I imagine so. But France. And they still had energy problems. They still had rolling blackouts, if I understand correctly. France doesn't. Because they have the ability to generate electricity because they decided to use nuclear. And, and there hasn't been. And you Know there hasn't been a problem in France when it comes to nuclear energy.

[Scott Horton]

Hey, can I ask a question for the chat room? I bet you there's some engineers in there and stuff I had read years ago about someone was just ridiculing the idea that we use nuclear to heat water to make steam and turn a piston. Are you kidding me?

[Phil]

I take the weapons.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. What this guy said, well, was you could get rid of all those steps and go from nuclear straight to electricity. The physics are there if you know what you're doing. They could have done it years ago, they could do it now. I wonder if that's nonsense. I don't have a good footnote for that, but I read about it.

[Phil]

Is there anybody in chat that knows?

[Scott Horton]

Anybody know.

[Phil]

Is that a thing that. Can you. Can you.

[Scott Horton]

Because what about that? If you just go from nuclear straight. Forget heat and just go straight to electricity.

[Phil]

You just change nuclear fuel into electricity without the steam engine part. If. What do you guys know? So it does seem silly, doesn't it?

[Scott Horton]

Splitting atoms to generate steam. Yeah, like it's still the 19th century. There's got to be a better way.

[Phil]

200 year old technology. But you're just using a, you know, a high tech firecracker. But on the, on the topic of AI, this right here, just so people get a sense, this is A.I. check this out. So I went to the zoo the other day and all they had was one dog. It was a shih tzu. I mean, obviously it's terrible.

[Scott Horton]

So I went to the zoo the other day, but. And all they had.

[Phil]

Yeah, and one dog.

[Scott Horton]

It was a shih tzu.

[Phil]

Rightly. But these, these are, you know, these I want.

[Scott Horton]

No, you stay on my six at all times.

[Mary Morgan]

When they shoot the guns in this, they're not touching the trigger.

[Phil]

Yeah, well, I mean, there, there are still tells, you know, that like 20 gigantic dudes getting out of that little van is kind of.

[Mary Morgan]

The guy is just looking straight at.

[Phil]

The camera, you know?

[Scott Horton]

It is getting better.

[Phil]

What happened here? Yeah, I mean, where are the bodies?

[Scott Horton]

It's pretty amazing. Party boards.

[Mary Morgan]

I'll. I'll be interested when they make a rom com.

[Scott Horton]

How long do you think it'll be before you just can't believe anything you see anymore?

[Mary Morgan]

That's already happened to me at this point.

[Phil]

Next year.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, right.

[Alad Eliyahu]

You already see what we want anyway. We don't need fake pictures for that.

[Mary Morgan]

Well, yeah, I'm seeing a bunch of fake Theo Vaughn podcast clips where he's interviewing Mark Zuckerberg and he's just saying the craze. And I'm like half believing it happened because Theo Vaughn just takes conversations in crazy directions sometimes. All of them were AI generated and I was totally fooled, so I don't trust anything anymore.

[Scott Horton]

I did an AI version my voice because I thought I would try to cheat and do the audiobook of this without trying to. And there's no way I listened to it. Like it read back one paragraph and it's terrible because of course it doesn't understand anything. It doesn't know what it's talking about. So it has no idea how any inflection should be, how any enunciation should be at all. It's just reading words. It'll call, you know, tear, tear because it can't understand the context clue in the middle of the word of how to say it. It. And so the idea of doing an audiobook like that.

[Phil]

Forget it there be complete disaster for now.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, Yeah, I guess for now. But I think. But no, I'm not so sure about that. I think this is what it all comes down to, right? Is that it? It's only like, to me, almost a magical belief that at some point these algorithms will be sophisticated enough that it's essentially mimics or even smarter than humans. Truly more intelligent than humans. I don't, I don't buy. Because you are there. You know what, what they do is they. They approximate.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

What someone would say to you if they were talking. It's just a chat bot, basically. Right. And so if you look at. I mean, I deal with Grok and with open AI, whatever it's called the chat GPT4 thing. And they suck.

[Phil]

They're terrible.

[Scott Horton]

They make up lies all the time. I'll ask them. Hey, man, where. What was the thing that they tortured out of Abu Zubayda again about the thing? And then it'll tell me. Oh yeah, it's on page 43 and it says this quote and it's completely made up. It doesn't exist anywhere in the world. They do it all the time. And so, yeah, I just don't put too much stock in it.

[Phil]

So that data.

[Scott Horton]

But they can't have knowledge. They can't really think or. Or understand what something means in a way that a person can. Right.

[Phil]

What's up?

[Alad Eliyahu]

I already showed them that.

[Phil]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, so I, I wanted, I wanted Scott to check out this one though. But like, look at this. Right?

[Scott Horton]

I mean, man, the acceleration is crazy.

[Phil]

Crazy.

[Scott Horton]

You look far, step on the pedal and you are there.

[Phil]

I feel safe with him in an SUV and it seems to be like the right type of car for him. I think the range is only. Only going to get better. Sorry, we don't want to drive gas cars anymore.

[Scott Horton]

This is all fake 100.

[Phil]

I'm kind of a. Kind of a misfit here. But don't tell anyone. I've just bought an electric car. I think it's really great for families and for little babies with all.

[Scott Horton]

I mean, if, you know that's what you're looking at or maybe what you're.

[Phil]

Looking for is that technology.

[Scott Horton]

But otherwise I could be fooled by that.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

Like if. If I didn't know if I went on the hunt for AI and I was just. You're just showing me a video of some people talking. I don't know.

[Phil]

But yeah, I mean, well, that's the thing.

[Scott Horton]

That's enough to get me right there, I think, bro.

[Phil]

I think that's like. I feel like that's generational, cuz it.

[Scott Horton]

Doesn'T get me at all.

[Mary Morgan]

I agree. And that's why you got to watch out for these Facebook scams where they're like really obvious AI generated images being used to scam a bunch of grandparents out of their money, showing like injured children or people with disabilities or like veterans. Random heart, like just things that tug at old people's heartstrings. And then, you know, they end up in some kind of.

[Phil]

They.

[Mary Morgan]

They get funneled into a conversation with like an Indian scammer or whatever. It ends up, you know, wire transferring all their money. And that's a generational thing. They just don't have the same ability to differentiate. But eventually we're all going to feel like Facebook boomers, aren't we?

[Phil]

I think that. Yes, I think everybody will.

[Mary Morgan]

I'm gonna get scammed, you know, but.

[Phil]

You know, back to the, The. The story that set this all off, I think, think that most people should be, you know, should have a positive opinion on nuclear energy. I mean, the. There's. There's been nuclear power generated all over the world in many, many countries for 40, 50 years. And you can think of three accidents and only one of them was really bad.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And one. Only one of them was because of human error. Error. And I mean, Three Mile island was, Was an accident, but that didn't, you know, that didn't turn into a catastrophe. Obviously Chernobyl was a catastrophe. But a lot of the reason why Chernobyl was a catastrophe was because it was a communist country.

[Scott Horton]

Oh. And it was a government official. My friend Gordon Prather used to make nuclear bombs or test them. Real expert on all this stuff. And, and he talked about. I'm almost certain this is where I got this from. Yeah, that what happened was the inspector came and some alarm was going off, and he's like, turn off that alarm. And then they just like, oh, I guess we better do what he says, guys. And so, like, and, and I guess what it was was they didn't just turn off the alarm. They turned off the thing that was causing the alarm to go off. But then by doing that, it said about this chain reaction. And so, like, if the inspector had just stayed home that day, the guys running the plant were doing fine. Fine. You know, they would have been fine.

[Phil]

And then there's Fukushima, which, you know, a, a 9.0 earthquake in Japan is what caused the tsunami. And it wasn't even the earthquake as we were talking about earlier. It wasn't even the earthquake that caused the problem. It was the tsunami that, that caused the issue.

[Scott Horton]

And how bad is it now? Do you know?

[Phil]

I, there is still some kind of exclusion zone, but remember when it happened, everyone is like, oh, it's going to irradiate the whole Pacific Ocean. And everyone's talking about the, there's going to be two headed fish in the Pacific and, you know, coming to California and blah, blah, blah. None of that happened. Yeah, you know, I, I, I, I think that the concerns about nuclear radiation are very overblown. And this is something we were talking about earlier, too, is like, it was my sense for a long time that nuclear waste was some kind of, you know, some kind of liquid neon green. It was, because. Yeah, to Simpsons or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Turtles. But it's not that, you know, I've learned recently actually, that it's, it's literally metal bars that are, you know, encased in concrete, and there's never been encased in concrete and then encased in a steel, you know, cylinder. There's never been one of those steel cylinders that broke, ever. There was a truck transporting one time, and they got into an accident and they got knocked off the truck, and they were perfectly fine and intact because it's literally just a steel, steel cylinder with concrete inside of it. And even if it broke open, it's not like it spills out everywhere. It's like, yes, there's, there's radiation and you can't go, you don't want to go near them. But you could lit, like, you could literally have a truck pick it up and put it into a container and it's it's not right. You know, it's not the way that most people kind of into, you know, into it that it is. And so this kind of the kind of fear of nuclear power and especially.

[Scott Horton]

In this day and age, we ought to be able to not even have that waste to deal with. We ought to be able to able to figure out how to use all that waste until it's gone.

[Phil]

Yeah. So all right, we're gonna hit one more story, which is an absolute horrible way to end the show, especially because someone I knew happened to pass away in yeah the AP is reporting a music Music talent agency says three employees died on a plane that crashed into a San Diego neighborhood Neighborhood. The music agency Sound Talent Group said Thursday that three of its employees, including co founder Dave Shapiro, died on the private plane that crashed into a San Diego neighborhood. Shapiro is listed as the owner of the plane and has a pilot's license, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. Shapiro also owned a flight school called Velocity Aviation and a record label, Velocity Records, according to his LinkedIn page. The agency didn't share the names of the other two employees who died. We're devastated by the loss of our co founder, colleagues and friends. Our hearts go out to their families and everyone impacted by today's tragedy, the agency said in a statement. Sound Talent Group has represented artists including Hansen, some 41, and Vanessa Carlton. San Diego authorities said two people had died, the total number of fatalities unknown, but six people were on board the plane, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. The private jet crashed early Thursday into a neighborhood of U.S. navy owned housing in San Diego during foggy weather, igniting at least one home and numerous vehicles parked on the street. The plane clipped power lines before slamming into the house, the Elliot Simpson said. Elliot Simpson with the National Transportation Safety Board and the person that passed away that I knew was the drummer of the Devil Wears Prada. All the Remains toured with these guys and have done a bunch of shows with him. He's not, he wasn't currently in the band, but he, he was in the band when, when we toured with them. So, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't, you know, I didn't know him super well. We weren't like, you know, going to each other's houses on, on holidays and stuff. But, but I knew I knew him. So it's always, you know, a weird kind of thing when it's like, oh, someone that I knew is not only passed away, but they're in the news. You know, it was like a feels weirdly impersonal yeah, you know, so the, the Daily Mail says a famous drummer has died in a private jet crash that killed at least two people hours after he photo of himself at the controls. Dan Williams, formerly of hugely popular Christian metal core band the Devil Wears Prada, filmed himself boarding the Cessna 550 at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey late Wednesday night. The drummer, 39, also shared pictures of him at the controls of the small aircraft and said he was the co pilot. Now it's unclear if he was joking. An eerie final post showed him at the plane's control with the caption here we go. The plane nailed tail number of N666Ds took off from the Teterboy Airport on Wednesday at 11:15. Tracking data reveals it stopped for fuel in Wichita, Kansas before continuing on to California, where the Cessna ultimately crashed in a quiet military neighborhood in San Diego close to its intended final destination of Montgomery Gibbs Executive Airport. So yeah, you know, there's, there's been a lot of people that are talking about the frequency of air accidents and I, I, I still don't think that there's actually a significant uptick in, in air accidents, especially when you're dealing with, you know, small Cessnas and stuff like that or, or small planes like, like private jets like that, like this one, they, they have a fairly bad safety record at least when you compare them to, to, you know, the large carriers because the large carriers have, you know, they have all the incentive in the world to not crash. Whereas if you're a private jet, especially one that, it sounds like Shapiro, I think it was his name. Shapiro. Yeah. Shapiro owned the jet and it sounded like he was the pilot too, especially if Dan was in the co pilot seat. You know, he was probably hanging with his friend. But yeah, you know, when, if it's a recreational pilot or someone that can pilot but they don't pilot the way that the, the large carriers do, you know, it's, it, you're definitely more prone to, to accidents.

[Scott Horton]

So I got to watching this guy pilot debrief on YouTube. He's a former F15 pilot and also private pilot. And whenever there's an accident he goes through and he always talks about like the way he always puts it is the holes in the Swiss cheese line up and once you have three errors in a row.

[Phil]

Dead.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, you know, this kind of thing and then you just have, and he goes through and he shows. It's almost always this careless mistake. Sometimes you know it's a mechanical problem, but it could have been handled if you had followed the checklist or whatever. You know what I mean? And like, it's pretty scary, man.

[Phil]

Especially like this is.

[Scott Horton]

I would love to be a pilot, but I just don't want to take that slam, that's all.

[Phil]

Yeah, the. I mean, this is a. This is a pretty long flight too, from Jersey to, to California, you know, that's a. It's a fair. Pretty capable jet to be. To do that flight, you know. But yeah, it's.

[Scott Horton]

Man, sorry about you.

[Mary Morgan]

The band. Quite a while ago. Yeah, he was on their best work.

[Phil]

Yeah. Yeah. So we toured with them in like. Well, I mean, we played a bunch of shows with them throughout the years, but we, we played. I remember we did a tour with them in like 2010. And so that was when we were. We met and stuff.

[Scott Horton]

So.

[Phil]

But yeah, it's. It's weird. So is it time for Super Chat yet? Yeah. All right, we're gonna go to Super Chats, so smash the like button, share the show with your friends and join us in the discord by going to timcast.com and then you should also join us on Rumble. Be a member, become a member. So that way you can join us for the after show where we will take your phone calls and we will allow you to interact with our guests and with us. And if you got questions, you can go ahead and hit us up. So. But right now we're going to go ahead and start taking some of these super chats. So let's see. Shane H. Wilder says, what a day. The big beautiful bill passes through the House with tax breaks and budget cuts like defunding Planned Parenthood. And now the FTC is investigating media matters for collusion. Conclusion. Let's go. Amen. I. I second that. I do want to say, how big are those cuts? They're not big enough. The. The big beautiful bill is not big. It doesn't cut enough. There is a little silver lining on the bill, though. The hearing, the Hearing Protection act was in the bill and that passed the House and the Short act was not. So hopefully we can get the Short act added in the Senate. Fingers crossed. So call your representatives, call your senators, leaders, tell them that you want to see the Short act added. And. And yeah.

[Scott Horton]

Hey, can I say a thing real quick? Just reminded me, man, I almost forgot. In Arizona, the Republicans passed unanimously through the Senate, the Defend the Guard Act.

[Phil]

Oh, yes. Okay.

[Scott Horton]

And get this. For anyone out there who leans left anymore, I don't know how anyone could. But if anyone does out there, not one Democrat support reported it they got it through. I mean imagine that an anti war bill and what this does for people not familiar is so important. This is the most important thing going on in the anti war movement in America today. It's led by combat veterans from Iraq War two in Afghanistan Bring our troops home US Defend the Guard US and the move is to get the state legislatures to pass laws and the governors to sign laws making it illegal for the governor to give the soldiers over to the president to use for combat in a fort foreign operation without an official declaration of war by the Congress like it says in the Constitution Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 and which of course has been a real problem that we haven't declared war since against Romania in 1942. And so and it's, it's conservatives and libertarians and American combat veterans from the terror wars who are behind this effort and are pushing it to through. And they did have the house in Arizona all lined up, but the leadership of the house in Arizona is now botching it and falling apart. So it's kind of an emergency. But what we do is we got this great phone banking program there at defend the guard us and I'm 99% sure it's just defend the guard us phone bank. And then what happens is once you go there, you sign up and then Diego Rivera, who's a ranger from Iraq War two and a great guy, he will contact you, train you up, teach you how to do it and it's really works. I mean forget the US Congress in Washington, but your state legislature, if they get a bunch of calls from veterans talking about you better support veterans by supporting this bill, they will support it. And it's we've had a really a lot of successes. We haven't gotten it signed yet, but we've got it through many state house and state senate committee committees and we've got it through full state houses and full state senates numerous times over the last few years here. So it's crucial so anyone, especially America first, anti war right wingers and libertarians, we need you go to Defend the Guard US slash bone bank and give them hell there in Arizona and help get this thing through the House.

[Phil]

There you go.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Can I get one word on the one big beautiful bill which sure. Trump supporters should be very excited about this bill because it's one big beautiful bill and we won't need to wait for a ton of different bills to pass the House. And the MAGA agenda is finally getting through and we should be excited about it. But we should also remember the libertarian grandstanders, grandstanders in the House who didn't help get this pass and are acting like a Trojan horse for the left. People like Thomas Massie, where Donald Trump again called this guy a grandstander. So we should keep in mind who's against the MAGA agenda while saying they're in the Republican Party.

[Scott Horton]

So worth mentioning, is that what Massey's doing? He wants spending to be higher.

[Alad Eliyahu]

So to say he's voting against the MAGA agenda, that's what he's doing.

[Mary Morgan]

Well, I don't, I'm not familiar what was with the Thomas Massie situation.

[Alad Eliyahu]

He voted against the one big beautiful bill in the House. And it would be cool if we could actually pull up Donald Trump.

[Mary Morgan]

But why? Why?

[Phil]

Because it doesn't cut.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Because he's so principled. Or as Donald Trump says, he just doesn't understand how the government.

[Phil]

Okay, so look, if you want, if actual reason. I'm so principle. I'm. Because, because it doesn't cut anything. Right? So the, the Republicans have control of the House and Senate and they have the opportunity, the chance to actually make substantive cuts. But there are no cuts. There are, they're not even cut. They're not even decreases in spending. It's only increases.

[Alad Eliyahu]

And so libertarians don't ever have to seriously govern. They get to grandstand.

[Mary Morgan]

And I thought Thomas Massey wasn't even a libertarian.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Well, that's, that's how he dubs himself.

[Scott Horton]

Well, he is, but it sounds like he's doing the right thing to me.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Well, he's opposing the MAGA agenda in the House.

[Mary Morgan]

Is he a libertarian?

[Phil]

He's, he's got, he's a, he's very, he's a member of the Freedom Caucus. I'm not sure if he would call himself a Libertarian. He is a Republican member of Congress. So, yeah, he caucuses with the Republicans. He's actually, he runs as a Republican. So technically he's going to be called a Republican. But he does, he does agree with libertarians when it comes to spending. Because, look, conservatives and Republicans historically have been, have used the lip service of I'm a conservative. That means I want smaller government, I want less spending. That's the way that they, they present their ideas. Historically, in reality, Republicans have been just as big spending as, you know, as Democrats. Donald Trump has a lot of things that he wants to do. They cost money. And you know, the fiscal conservatives are like, hey, this doesn't cut the government. And whether or not you believe, whether or not you agree with the agenda that the that Donald Trump has or not. The fact of the matter is just yesterday the bond market responded to the passing of the bill because essentially what the bond market is saying is like, we don't believe that the government is going to get this spending under control. Because when you have Republicans in control of the House, the Senate and the presidency and they don't make cuts, whether or not you, whether or not you like this, this is true. This is true. But bond market response, this is how.

[Alad Eliyahu]

The perfect be the enemy of the good.

[Phil]

It doesn't matter. It doesn't have to govern.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I'm telling, he's able to posture.

[Phil]

I'm telling the facts of what happened. I'm not telling you.

[Alad Eliyahu]

You're really missing the forest for the trees.

[Phil]

No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not articulating your opinion is what is what's going on. The bond market response bonded because this bill passed because there was, there was no cuts. Ostensibly, if you make tax cuts and you can get the economy growing, then that will offset the spending, right? Because you'll have more economic activity and so you'll have more money coming in to take care of the spending. But as of right now, the, the, the Republicans haven't cut taxes. They haven't made, I think there might be a tax cut that is in this, but they haven't made any significant cuts. And there's no, there haven't been any of the, any of the Doge cuts. Cuts are, are not in the bill to make them permanent, which is, that's necessary, you know. Excuse me.

[Mary Morgan]

Oh, so it was pointless.

[Phil]

Well, it wasn't, it wasn't pointless. But they, they, they are not taking this opportunity.

[Mary Morgan]

Wasn't there an idea floated to make cuts in order for them to only need a simple majority?

[Phil]

Well, this is, this is a spending bill, so that's. No, this is a spending bill. And that's why they only need a simple majority. So in, in the Senate, they only need a simple majority because it's a spending spending bill. Most of the time they need 60 votes, which is part of the reason why very rarely do bills get passed. Because this is, this is what they call reconciliation. So you have to have a simple majority. And all the only things that can be in this bill are things that are related to funding. So there's, when, when I talk about the, the Hearing Protection act, that only gets in there because of the fact that there's a tax attached to the, the sale of suppressors. Right? If there wasn't a tax, if it was just. Oh, you're, you're not allowed to have these. You have to register. Register them. They wouldn't be able to put it in because it's not, it has nothing to do with the budget. This is specifically about budgeting. So anyways, we're gonna.

[Mary Morgan]

Thomas Massey. Don't talk down.

[Phil]

I like him too.

[Scott Horton]

Me too.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Well, Donald Trump thinks he's a grandstander and says he doesn't understand how government works.

[Mary Morgan]

Trump doesn't really. He's just firing off.

[Phil]

Yeah. And you know, generally I like Donald Trump, but it's okay to disagree with him on some things.

[Scott Horton]

You recognize that right now in the budget, the interest on the national debt is more than the cost of the entire empire per year here.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

So for all you people slaving away, paying the IRS your, you know, third of your income, all that is just going to pay interest to some sovereign national government bond holder on the other side of the planet somewhere. You're not even getting to help kill a Gazan kid with it. You're not even getting to, you know, much less buy medicines for some poor sick old lady. Nope. You're just going to pay interest on the debt to the national bank of South Korea.

[Phil]

And it's, it's getting to the point where the interest on the national debt, like to your point, it's so much money that the government isn't going to be able to do anything at all except for pay interest on the debt. So anything that the government wants to do, they'll be taking, they'll be printing money up for taking a loan, selling bonds and the note when people don't want to buy the bonds because the debt is so high buy. That makes the bond market react. And yet, like I said yesterday, they put bonds on sale and nobody. The desire for them was very, very soft. There wasn't people running to buy them. There was a, a downgrade in the US Credit rating by Moody's or I think it was Moody's, but it was because the, but because people don't think the government is going to be able to pay back the bonds. If people won't buy U. S. Treasury Treasuries, then the government can't just spend money like it wants. So there has to be a demand for the, for the U. S Treasuries or else they're, you're not going to be able to print up money. So it's, it's a real, real pickle we're in. It's something that the libertarians have been talking about for decades now. Ron Paul was talking about it in 2008, screaming at the top of his lungs when the first, you know, the first housing crisis, he was like we can't just, just print this money. And then we went on to not only do the, the housing credit to do the, the tarp, but then we spent a decade, almost a full decade at 0% interest rates. It was, it was $0 to borrow money for banks. And so rich people were taking out loans, taking those loans and throwing all.

[Scott Horton]

The COVID spending too. That was all brand new money, but at least that not even loaned into circulation. But yeah, just pumped in straight out by the Treasury.

[Phil]

So I, I understand your frustration a lot because it's an opportunity to get these, these policies that Trump wants in. But there's react reality is, is starting to materialize and it's coming in the form of people don't want to buy U.S. treasury bonds the way that they used to us. The US Used to be a guarantee. Used to be as, as guarantee as there as any guarantee you could find on earth. And when they opened up the bond market. Yes you yesterday they were. There was not the demand, they just weren't there. So you know that's, that's reality coming to say hey, this spending is going to stop one way or another anyways. So hard case says Phil. I am also having my first child in October, November. I think it may fall to that generation to save humanity. I hope that there is enough of them because we need more people like you and me having kids.

[Scott Horton]

Congratulations, dude. That's awesome.

[Phil]

It's really cool.

[Mary Morgan]

So what generation is that? Is it still. It's the one after Alpha, isn't it?

[Phil]

I think it is, yeah.

[Mary Morgan]

Is that generation Beta?

[Scott Horton]

I hope that.

[Mary Morgan]

I really hope.

[Scott Horton]

Right.

[Phil]

That's terrible. They come up with a different name. Yeah. Let's see.

[Mary Morgan]

Based.

[Phil]

Broken Cake 2 has a terrible idea. Give every country a nuke. No, that's an. That's an awful idea. It's terrible. Terrible.

[Scott Horton]

Okay, but just like one or two each though.

[Phil]

Oh man. All right, let's see. The Liam McCollum show says hey Scott, tell everyone about. Oh, never mind. He says it Tell everyone about the Defend the Guard act, which he already did. So let's see. MT no, let's see. What do you got?

[Alad Eliyahu]

There's a lot of them.

[Phil]

Let me see. Yeah, but they're. They're kind of did. A lot of them were dependent on the actual con conversation that was happening at the time.

[Alad Eliyahu]

We ran through them. You know, I feel like so many chats come in, we never get to get to so many of them.

[Phil]

Okay, here. Jay Dirt Biker says, Phil, I'm still waiting for Aaron Lewis to come make an appearance on the show. Do your thing, man. I would love to get Aaron Lewis on the show but, but you know when you're, when you're, when you're on tour, it's tough to stop to come make a show like this. So Aaron's a great guy and, and, and a friend, but I don't know what he's up to. So let's see. Kit Tanker 420 says, Bring back my new favorite show called Phil Tells a Lot to shut it at 8. I, I didn't, I've never done that. I've never told a lot to shut it.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Some people don't like hearing the truth.

[Phil]

I mean we, we, we do disagree around here and that's part of the charm of the show. Not everybody just says oh yeah, we all agree on the same thing and it's okay. Let's see. Jonathan Foreman says, I wonder if Jimmy John's is going to get their PR department to ask them never allow their guest to drink from their cups again. No, I don't think so.

[Mary Morgan]

No sponsorship.

[Scott Horton]

Wouldn't that be great if their stock price went way, way up, right? Or way down? Either way, I think I'd be happy just to know that what was this.

[Phil]

One up here mattered at all.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Holy cow.

[Phil]

SA Federali says, holy cow. You have Scott Horton on tonight. Please give all his ideas to little, literally anyone else to argue and stop him from writhing on the stage like a 2 year old on Ritalin. Oh my God. Be nice to our guest riding.

[Scott Horton]

Oh, am I wiggling in my chair.

[Phil]

Back and forth too much? I think so. So let's see.

[Scott Horton]

Sorry dude.

[Phil]

Let's see. MT says, oh, they're giving you more hell. Scott Mount says, Scott, we were just on the brink of World War III two weeks ago. Why? Because Pakistani Islamic terrorists going after Hindus. Did Israel America make them do it?

[Scott Horton]

No, I mean I think the question is whether the ISI made them do it right or whether it was like some freelance been lodging nights. But yes, I mean look, there's a great book called Devil's Game by Robert Dreyfus where he explains how it was really the British policy to support Islamists against the nationalists and the socialists in the post World War II era and then America picked it up from them. And so America has built these Islamist networks all across the Middle East. Now whether, you know, if it was Lashkar U TBAA that did that. Whether they were. Were originally created in cooperation with the CIA, I guess is doubtful. I think they probably were just created by Pakistani intelligence. And the, and the fight over Kashmir. No. Is not driven by America. In fact, my understanding is that Donald Trump intervened and helped to negotiate a piece there, which is what I would like to see America do is leave the world hell alone and yet be willing to pick up the phone, be willing to host peace conferences, be willing to help resolve some of these frozen conflicts, as they call them around the world. World and. And see what kind of compromises can be made. It's a really intractable kind of conflict where you have essentially a Muslim population ruled by a Hindu princeling supported by New Delhi and, and the local people there just want independence for themselves. Don't really want to be ruled by either side, I don't think. But it's completely. You know, there's a lot of tr.

[Phil]

That's a very tribal area as well too. Right.

[Scott Horton]

You know, states are very fake in the first place. You know what? I didn't even know this dude until a few years ago. Pakistan is actually something like an acronym or whatever you call it. It's actually made up of for, like the P is for Punjab and the.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Whatever the case for Kashmir, which they don't have.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah.

[Alad Eliyahu]

And then funniest part, and ends with.

[Scott Horton]

Baluchistan, you know, which is there closer to Iran. So like. Yeah, there's nothing natural about the creation. That state was the British Empire that drew the lines.

[Phil]

Yeah. The whole. All of Pakistan, like the whole Pakistan. And, and I'm not, I don't think this is the same for India, but the whole of Pakistan and, and Afghanistan and like Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, they're all, you know, conglomerates of tribal people far more than they are actual countries.

[Scott Horton]

Well, and when it's the British that come through, they like to either divide and conquer like they did with the Pashtuns, the Duran line or Duran line on the Afghan Pakistani border that was drawn there by the British in order to divide the Pashtun tribes, types which seem to have worked pretty fantastically, or in other places, the group opposing ethnicities together in a new nation to keep them divided and conquered and easier to rule. So. Yes, and this is the curse of the old world, right, Is that everybody wants their nation state to reflect their ethnic borders, but they don't.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

And so then do we have to fight about it or can we find compromises? You know?

[Phil]

All right, let's see here. Sorry for from the, the spork, which says we're not afraid of what they have to say. It's really very simple. If they hate us, why would we want them here? And why would we educate and help them? We shouldn't not a citizen, get out. I mean, look, if they just hate.

[Scott Horton]

Our government, which is in our interest, the more people who hate our government, the better. Because our government is the worst thing about our society.

[Phil]

Well, I mean, it's hating us is.

[Scott Horton]

Like, I don't know. Who do they hate exactly?

[Phil]

It depends on what, what you mean. If you're, if, if it's just like someone that's critical of the government, that's fine. But there's a lot of people that really just don't like the United States as a concept. They don't like that. Like, so the argument they, they hate us for our freedom. When it comes to like overseas, I don't agree with that. But when it comes to the left, they literally do. Because leftists don't like the idea of people having dissenting views. And you see that the way that they do the, the whole cancel culture was for all the teens and stuff. So let's see. Bueno Malio says mechanical engine engineer here used to work for a. For CO generation power plant. Power plants are giant inverse motors. Nuclear energy is magic. Rock heats water and spinny fan go burst. So I guess he's saying that he doesn't know of any kind of technology where you can just transfer nuclear material into electricity. So know, Matthew Perry says, who else has Palestine fatigue? I don't care anymore. I think there's a lot of Americans that kind of have that opinion.

[Scott Horton]

Look, I mean, can I just say real quick, I don't care about the rest of the world at all. Like I, I feel like I'm forced into this job. The fact of the matter is our government's relationship with the rest of the world is the primary factor determining our government's relationship with us.

[Phil]

Us.

[Scott Horton]

If we didn't have a world empire, we wouldn't really need Washington D.C. hardly at all. We could get rid of all of this and have much more localized governments and much more freedom. I think that pro and look, in fact our grandparents all moved here in order to be free and leave the old world and its problems behind the problem is our government is the world empire. The middle part of North America is the dominant force in the Middle east, in Eastern Europe, in Eastern Asia.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Asia.

[Scott Horton]

And so they make all this stuff our business. And we can't have our limited republic we want here until we abandon our world empire there, like, on principle.

[Phil]

I agree with you, but. But I think the biggest problem with that is the fact that there aren't enough people that are libertarians. Like, the, the argument like you, you know, the bumper sticker, the, you know, libertarians viciously plotting to take over the country and leave you alone. Right, yeah, yeah.

[Scott Horton]

Taking over anything.

[Phil]

No, they're not taking over anything. But. But the thing is, like, I love the idea, but the fact of the matter is libertarian, the libertarian kind of impulse isn't. Isn't popular enough to actually do that. And in.

[Alad Eliyahu]

Well, it depends the issue with libertarianism.

[Scott Horton]

I mean, if you're talking about.

[Phil]

Weren't so combative about the conversation, you could, you could actually like, oh, that's.

[Alad Eliyahu]

People do people grow up. Like, they, they realize that it's actually like hyper individualism. It's not how our society actually functions. And we're a product of our environment and societies and neighborhoods that we grow up in.

[Scott Horton]

That's not contradictory to libertarianism at all.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I think it goes a bit deeper than that.

[Scott Horton]

I mean, the fact is that more and more, for example, right wingers all agree that Ron Paul was right all along. Not just about money, but about foreign policy too. He should have never been doing any of this. And you know what? Forget the Cold War and the Post World War II era, but at least since the end of the Cold War, Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and Ted Carpenter and everybody who said we should come home from Europe, we should come home from Asia, leave the world the hell alone, they were all right. They have all been vindicated and the right wingers now. And you know what it was? It was when ISIS took over western Iraq and they went, what in the world are we doing now? What have we wanted one out of any of this?

[Phil]

Oh, you know, we'll go ahead and.

[Scott Horton]

What did Israel even win from our wars for them?

[Alad Eliyahu]

You can tie Israel into anything, Scott. It's an amazing.

[Phil]

I mean, it is in the Middle east, so.

[Scott Horton]

Well, the neo conservatives are the vanguard of the Israel lobby in the United States and they launched that war for Israel. So, yeah, they have a lot to do with it.

[Alad Eliyahu]

We're gonna find a way to shoehorn Israel into almost anything.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, right into my books, all about their role and lying us into that world.

[Phil]

We're gonna.

[Alad Eliyahu]

A lot of views.

[Phil]

Enough. Okay, look, enough with the snipping. We. We got to wrap it up here, okay? So everybody smash the like button again. Share the show with your friends. Join us. Timcast.com Become a member of the Discord and join us on Rumble. We're going to go to that after show right now. I'm Phil. That remains on Twix. Scott, you got anything to shout out?

[Scott Horton]

Yes, man. I wrote this book. It's called why Everything in the World Is Bill Clinton's Fault and I Hate him so much. And you can find it right now. It's number one in war and [e-mail] awesome.

[Mary Morgan]

Wait, was that actually the subhead?

[Scott Horton]

No.

[Mary Morgan]

Okay.

[Scott Horton]

It's provoked how Washington started the new Cold war with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. And it's really, it's about Bush Senior, Bill Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, although it wasn't really his fault in his first term, and of course, Joe Biden and how they ruined everything.

[Phil]

Absolutely.

[Mary Morgan]

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[Alad Eliyahu]

Mary, it was a fun episode with you tonight. Hey, everybody, I am Alad Eliyahu, White House correspondent here at Tim Cast. You could find me on all the social medias at Alad Eliyahu. You could send me DMs of firearm ideas because with this rise of anti Semitic dramatism, I think I might have to start a Jew gun club. So, sergeant, invited to if you want, huh?

[Phil]

Glock 19, lock 19.

[Alad Eliyahu]

You could take me shooting.

[Phil]

I can take you shooting.

[Alad Eliyahu]

I'd appreciate that.

[Phil]

All right. I am Filler remains on Twix. I'm Filler remains official on Instagram. I recently released in con with with my buddy Nick Nocturnal, we released a song. It's called Scarlet. Nick just put out a whole EP. You can check that out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Deezer, all of them, you know, and stick around. We are going to the after show here where we can say naughty things and talk about topics that are not okay for YouTube. We will see you all tomorrow for the culture war. And tomorrow evening I'm pretty sure Tim will be back for irl. So we will see you tomorrow.

[Scott Horton]

Sa.