Rudyard Lynch (2:05)

What about you, man?

Tim Pool (2:06)

Ian's just jamming on the guitar. The intro is all ruined. The metaverse ended. And it's really funny because there's some guy who's like, I spent millions of dollars in the metaverse dance. Falling apart. And then we have an AI Movie because, you know, we love talking about AI Movies. And you're going to want to hear this. It's a movie about. I'm going to say it. Do it. Impossibly Fat Milkers. Impossibly Fat Milkers. That is what the AI Movie is about.

Rudyard Lynch (2:30)

Wow.

Tim Pool (2:30)

And it's hilarious. But it's actually a good jumping off point to talk about how far AI has come because it's actually, aside from the goofy nature of the video, it's remarkably well generated. It's pretty crazy. So we will get into all of that, my friends. But before we do, head over to Tax Network USA. My friends, we got a great sponsor. It is tnusa.com do you guys owe back taxes or have unfiled returns? Have you filed every year but you still keep. Owen, did you retire and suddenly get hit with a tax bill you didn't expect? Your balance is not going to go down. Penalties are going to grow. Interest will compound. And many of you are about to owe again for this upcoming tax year with no plan in place. Stop what you're doing and call Tax Network usa. The IRS is not waiting. The IRS is enforcing collections through wage garnishments, bank levies and property seizures. They can even file for you without your consent. This is where Tax Network USA comes in. With over 15 years in the business, there hasn't been a tax case they haven't seen or resolved. They specialize in tax controversies and help taxpayers nationwide get back on track by resolving back taxes and unfound returns once and for all, whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million. Their team has resolved over $1 billion in tax debt and they can do the same for you. But you got to call now. They're offering a free investigation call with the irs. After that, they put a clear case plan in place to resolve your tax problem and get you back on track. So call 1-866-686-1535. That is 1-866-686-15350 or visit tax network tnusa.com Tim, check that one out. Don't forget, my friends, to also smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more, we have Rudyard Lynch.

Rudyard Lynch (4:18)

Thank you so much for having me.

Tim Pool (4:19)

Grab your microphone, brother. We can't hear you.

Rudyard Lynch (4:21)

Thank you so much for having me.

Tim Pool (4:22)

It's really a who are you? What do you do?

Rudyard Lynch (4:25)

I run the YouTube channel Whatifalthist and

Tim Pool (4:27)

History 102 and you discuss history, I

Rudyard Lynch (4:31)

talk about history, anthropology, politics, and the intersection of all of those things.

Tim Pool (4:36)

Right on. Should be interesting. Kyla is back.

Kyla (4:38)

Hi. You can find me not so erudite everywhere.

Tim Pool (4:42)

And you're a. What do you do?

Kyla (4:44)

I do political commentary, mostly debate.

Tim Pool (4:46)

She's here to yell at us because she's a lib. Yes, that's what she's doing. Of course Phil and Ian are here, but we don't need introductions for the people you know and love. Let's jump to the news from Axiom. We got James Comey subpoenaed an alleged grand conspiracy against Trump. Former FBI Director James Comey has been subpoenaed in the wide ranging grand conspiracy case against the ex officials who investigated and prosecuted President Trump. Two sources with knowledge of the situation tell Axios the investigation has produced more than 130 subpoenas since cranking up last year. The officials, including Comey, have all decried the investigation as a. As political persecution and lawfare. The Trump administration's grand conspiracy theory posits that Democratic officials bent the rules, broke the law, and lied under oath to investigate, prosecute, and otherwise undermine Trump from his election in 2016 through his federal indictments in 2023. The Comey subpoena issued last week relates to his alleged role in the drafting of a January 2017 intelligence committee assessment concerning Russia's election interference that favored Trump. The assessment referenced the now widely discredited Steele dossier, whose inclusion ran counter to fundamental tradecraft principles and ultimately undermined the credibility of a key judgment, according to a tradecraft review completed in June under Trump's current CIA director, John Radcliffe. Radcliffe then referred Comey and former CIA Director John Brennan for prosecution. Well, all I can say, folks, is this proves it once and for all. It is now beyond a reasonable doubt and we will just assert it as fact.

Kyla (6:18)

Great.

Phil Remains (6:18)

It would be nice. It would be great if. If we could do something like that. But I.

Tim Pool (6:22)

We can. I don't mean it's correct. Well, we defin.

Ian Crossland (6:25)

I don't think that it's gonna matter until proven guilty. Comey, you're innocent until we find out.

Kyla (6:30)

Well, if this was a standard of due process and like, every single lawyer that we were talking about yesterday is like beyond guilty compared to Comey.

Tim Pool (6:37)

Right, Agreed. They're all guilty. Lock them all up.

Kyla (6:39)

Lock them all up.

Tim Pool (6:40)

Right.

Kyla (6:40)

But like, obviously, like, due process matters and, and it's good that we have due process because it protects. As a liberal, I want due process so that when my side. But I don't really have a team. But when we want due process, because we want to ensure that people who have vested interests against us can't weaponize systems. And I think that there's genuine concern that the DOJ is being weaponized against Trump enemies.

Tim Pool (7:03)

Yeah, I think it was weaponized against Trump.

Kyla (7:05)

I think it's both of those instances. If that was the case, if these are.

Tim Pool (7:09)

That's why these things are bad. I don't believe in due process anymore. Like, it's like the tooth fairy to me now. Like, you can say it exists and we understand the concept. Like, yes, when I go to bed after my teeth fall out, hopefully not at 40 years old, that would suck. But I put it under my pillow and then money's there. Like, something did happen. And then I'm told it was the tooth fairy. That's how I feel about due process. Right. Something does happen most of the time, but when it actually matters, there's no due process. Because the left makes the same exact argument I'm making now. You've got that dude in California who raped that one chick and they said he had affluence. It was it. That's what it is. Affluenza from raping that chicken.

Ian Crossland (7:43)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (7:43)

So he didn't. There was no functional due process there.

Ian Crossland (7:45)

Rich to know what he was doing wrong. It's crazy.

Tim Pool (7:49)

So he like fluenza. Yeah, they said he, he suffered from affluenza because he was too rich to understand what he was wrong. So that. That's from the left. The left has made that argument. I think it's fair to say both the left and the right agree that the legal system is just a function of who wants to exercise power against their enemies.

Ian Crossland (8:04)

I think that these going behind the back.

Phil Remains (8:07)

Yes.

Ian Crossland (8:09)

Of the backs of people and like spying on opponents has been the norm through history, even though they will tell you we have due process.

Rudyard Lynch (8:15)

And I want to.

Ian Crossland (8:16)

Rudyard, I really want to get your take on this because since the Internet feels like people like Donald Trump actually have a chance at bucking the system, did this kind of thing ever happen in the past?

Rudyard Lynch (8:24)

So I have a few different takes here. The first of which is we have to be very careful about eroding rule of law because that's been the English speaking world's great advantage. And if we erode rule of law, it's going to have very negative downstream effects on everything between the economy, between politics. Because rule of law is the set of rules you use to establish all social interaction. And if that goes away, you won't make companies because someone will steal the company you make. But I have another thing. The second thing is the left has been weaponizing this already. And there's been a huge issue with conservative judges and with conservatives making the argument that you're opposed to saying, oh, we can't do this, blank, blank, blank. The left has already done a weaponization of the political process to an insane degree. And when conservatives push against stuff where it should be illegal to discriminate against white men under civil rights law, it happens on a mass degree. But conservative judges don't stand against it. Conservative judges don't stand against the rampant abuse in the family court system against men. They don't stand against the rampant biases against white men. Where the left has been doing this to an insane degree. And even defensively, the right does not protect itself.

Tim Pool (9:45)

Well, so, so to your point about how we want to keep the rule of law, I would agree. But when it's gone, it's gone.

Rudyard Lynch (9:50)

Right.

Tim Pool (9:51)

I want, I want to keep my car nice and clean, but if a bunch of vandals come and smash it with crowbars, there's nothing I can do about it.

Kyla (9:56)

So to point on the, the couch thing you guys were talking about, he wasn't under affluenza. He was under the influence of intoxication. Ethan Couch.

Tim Pool (10:05)

The argument was that he, he shouldn't get the harshest penalty because he had quote, unquote, affluenza. It was, it's, it's a nonsense term that meant he was so rich he didn't understand right from wrong.

Phil Remains (10:16)

Yeah.

Kyla (10:17)

So he did actually end up getting charged. He did, yeah.

Tim Pool (10:20)

And the argument was that he shouldn't get the harshest of penalties for what he did. Wasn't it like there was a passed out woman, he was raping her, and then some guys caught her or something. This was, this was like a me too era.

Kyla (10:28)

This isn't the left right. This is. His defense attorney argued that the left

Tim Pool (10:32)

was upset that he did not go to prison in the most harshest of penalties because the court system failed us.

Kyla (10:39)

Sure. Yeah. I, again, I don't know. First of all, conservative Texas. Well, he's from Texas, not California, so the left narrative isn't working here. But also in this case, he was intoxicated and under the influence of drugs. And nobody disagrees. Yeah. Which is, which is all bad. Right, Agreed. But I think it's.

Tim Pool (10:56)

Progressives were upset at the time of this case because they wanted a very harsh penalty against him. The judge gave him a light sentence, citing what she called affluenza.

Kyla (11:05)

I see his defense attorney citing affluenza. I can't find the judge citing that as the reason why she gave him.

Tim Pool (11:10)

But 10 years probation is neither, neither here nor there. I mean, it's an old story we were lightly referencing where people on the upset about it. But to the point, back to Rudyard, like I was saying, I have a nice car, I try to protect it. Right. I'll park it in my garage. Then one day while I'm sleeping, a bunch of whoever antifa comes and firebombs the garage. It's gone. So you talk about the rule of law and we want to maintain it, but at the same time, you say that the left has been destroying it and eroding it. I mean, at a certain point they've destroyed it.

Rudyard Lynch (11:37)

Yeah. You oftentimes have to balance two opposing things and figure out where between these two is the reasonable conclusion. And I understand what you're saying where I mean, Russiagate was a lie and it's crazy. There's been no prosecution for this staggering lie because there was no actual evidence that Trump was colluding with Russia or that the Russians tilted the course of the election. This was just a story the left made up. And slander is incorrect, especially slander on that scale. And you can't let that go back. And I think another thing is, is we have laws against treason and we have seen mass treason among the population. And I would need to, actually, I'm not a lawyer.

Tim Pool (12:21)

Do you mean like codified legal treason,

Ian Crossland (12:23)

which

Tim Pool (12:26)

I would say this. The actual law is when you're providing material resources to an enemy at a time of war or aid and comfort or whatever, it's specific. Sedition is general undermining of the government in the United States.

Rudyard Lynch (12:39)

Yes.

Tim Pool (12:39)

And there is, there is treason because this happened when Trump said this is like, you know, sedition punishable by death. That is when the military seeks to undermine. So there is a special sedition there. I would argue that many of the people you may be referring to, you could perhaps argue treason because they are adherent to, say, China or whatever, but we aren't at war with China, despite being adversaries. Iran. Now is where it gets interesting because you've got a lot of people that are accusing Tucker Carlson of treason directly for communicating with Iran before the US as the US Is preparing strikes against them. But I would say for the general leftist, it's seditious conspiracy.

Rudyard Lynch (13:16)

You're correct. I got the words wrong. I mean, what I'd say in General is there's been a complete and utter abuse of the rule of law so far. And it's been done predominantly by the left across a variety of different fields, with everything stretching from the national level to the social level to the family level. And this has been justified by the court system. And so you have to be careful that if you remove the institution of law, we're going to devolve into being a Third world dictatorship.

Tim Pool (13:51)

I think we are right every single. So Trump won the popular vote. He got a plurality with, I think it was like, 49.8%. The American people expect something to be done, but he's being obstructed by judges every step of the way. And then there's this tit for tat back and forth where it goes to, like, three appeals, and then finally he wins. There was a recent ruling with RFK Jr. Where we wanted to change the rules on vaccine safety. And then once again, a judge blocked him. And you famously have this judge in D.C. that just says literally no to everything. There was that particularly important court case where these judges were arguing that any district. Actually, it was. The left was arguing that any district court judge can overturn anything Trump does. And then the Trump administration argued, this is insane, because at the time they had a appeal granted, allowing this immigration practice. I forgot the specific executive order. As soon as it was granted, progressive groups filed a lawsuit in another federal jurisdiction, which put a stay on it. So they can't both be true at the same time. I think it's fair to say that while I agree with you, the left is absolutely just saying by any means necessary. And the right is saying, slow down their democrats.

Rudyard Lynch (15:04)

The left is breaking rule of law. What they're doing is not. It's not justifiable, and it's not fair. And the English common law was established in the 12th century under a certain context, with a certain aim in charge. And this was not the end point of the context or the aim that we were trying to reach. And you have to parallel the left for where they're at. And. And it's quite. I'm trying to articulate something complicated where in crisis periods like this, you set precedents that you can't go back. And so if you compare the English Civil War to the French Revolution, in the English Civil War, you had a political crisis, and at the end of it, England became a democracy with rule of law, and in France, it spiraled into being a military dictatorship. And these are very different outcomes. And you have to be careful about not establishing precedents that future generations can look to.

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Moderate Commentator (16:44)

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Rudyard Lynch (16:57)

Go to Latin America. There's a lot of countries in Latin America like Argentina, that's Argentina is more white than America. It has a temperate climate and Argentina is poor because they don't have rule of law where if you can't establish a company and assume that a social superior is not going to steal your company, you can't have a capitalist economy.

Tim Pool (17:18)

So let me ask you this question. What is wrong with a military dictatorship?

Rudyard Lynch (17:25)

So there's multiple tiers. 95 plus percent of regimes in history are authoritarian. And authoritarian is one strong man on top who runs everything. There's tiers, though, where some of them are enlightened. And when you look at authors like Aristotle, they were talking the benefits of monarchy. And I'm not a monarchist, but monarchy is you have a long term incentive for the leader to care about the population. And that works a lot better than something like the Soviet Union.

Tim Pool (17:54)

Well, I wanted to ask you specifically about you mentioned what's going on today. You compared that to say, British or the French. So my question is more so what would be bad about the United States becoming a military dictatorship?

Rudyard Lynch (18:10)

The military would be,

Tim Pool (18:14)

you could have

Rudyard Lynch (18:15)

a situation where the military is corrupt. It shuts down capitalism, it shuts down freedom, it shuts down the functioning of a society and the good things we take for granted die. And those things are fundamentally dependent on freedom.

Tim Pool (18:31)

What if a military dictatorship emerged in the United States that was based entirely upon traditional American conservatism and the military by Force said, we're not going to allow leftism anymore. We're not going to allow the courts to supersede the will of the people. And they just through military rigidity, enforced the right cultural worldview.

Rudyard Lynch (18:55)

That's why I said there's a huge Overton window for authoritarianism, because you're trusting the leader a lot. If you looked at Emperor Augustus, who was the first Roman dictator, he was one of the greatest statesmen in history. So when Rome did the transition from democracy to monarchy, they had one of the best rulers ever and things governed very well until Tiberius and Caligula showed up. And then it got a lot worse. And with monarchies or authoritarianism, you're trusting the. And the reason that a lot of the older authors preferred monarchies to military dictatorships is that the monarch has an incentive to pass things on to their children. So the monarch has a multi generational incentive. So they're less likely to hurt things like freedom or the free market. Because I put rule of law above democracy. Because if you're a society with rule of law, it means you have functional freedom. It means you can have capitalism. Because keep in mind.

Tim Pool (19:55)

But let me ask you, how would you feel if there was a military dictatorship that enforced the things you wanted to exist?

Rudyard Lynch (20:05)

Everyone wants the things they forced. Everyone wants the things that they believe to be enforced.

Tim Pool (20:10)

So would you be happy if Donald Trump became a supreme dictator and used the military to enforce laws, but it was everything you wanted in society.

Rudyard Lynch (20:18)

I would not be happy with that. What I will say is that the reason you could not have Tim cast in any other western country because they've had left wing authoritarianism, remove the rule of law and personal freedoms, where once you start pulling that away, you very quickly end up in a society where

Tim Pool (20:45)

you lose a lot.

Rudyard Lynch (20:46)

And it's one of those things where I put property rights and rule of law above everything else in my framework.

Tim Pool (20:55)

I guess my ultimate point is when you look at the history of the United States, there are varying degrees of cultural enforcement across the board. Obviously not military dictatorship, but until you get to Abraham Lincoln, I suppose when things got pretty serious, the Civil War, but there blasphemy, for instance, was illegal up until like the early 1800s. My view largely is that if everybody in this country was morally homogenous, they'd be completely happy. Let's say everybody in this country, 100% of people were Christian theocrats. They'd have no problem with a member of Congress proposing a bill of a commandment law.

Kyla (21:31)

But Christian theocracies fell at the hands oftentimes of Christianity, because the idea that people will stay, like, wholly unified in the perfect way insofar as that people will be happy, just doesn't happen. Right, agreed.

Tim Pool (21:45)

Like, the United States today used to be morally homogenous to a great degree. And then it started fracturing. I would argue that since the Civil War, the bifurcation actually started around the time the country was formed because Thomas Jefferson wanted to actually complain about slavery and the Declaration of Independence, but they were concerned that South Carolina and Georgia would not join the effort, excluded that grievance. And so there was a general bit of, let's call it acrimony. But it started to bubble up in the 1820s. When there was a perception in the 1820s that a civil war could actually happen in the United States, though it didn't. And then it did happen in 1861. Since then, you've had this clash between two polarized worldviews in this country. My point ultimately is if you have a group of people that believe the exact same thing, the things they argue about are. Are the minutia. You know, in the 90s, the minutia, though, right? Sure. And it can, it can spin while that wild, out of control. But in the 90s, Democrats and Republicans lived together, got married, and their, their arguments were over, like, how much in taxes versus, like how long a woman should be allowed to have an abortion. And it was like the Republicans were like, I think 16 weeks is too long, and Democrats are like, it's got to be 18. It was just the political now that

Phil Remains (23:02)

was the political over overton window, though there were still these ideas.

Tim Pool (23:05)

What I'm saying is that when you look at the, the moral worldview of Democrats and Republicans, the majority of the country in, like 1994, they overwhelmingly overlapped. And so they were, they were pretty okay with, like, I mean, like, certainly we had protests for the Iraq and Afghanistan war, but still people generally were like, well, you know, 9, 11. Right. They rallied around George W. Bush even after 2000. Ultimately, my point is this. Just to simplify, no one would care about a military dictatorship that was enforcing exactly what their worldview was. Only the dissenters would.

Kyla (23:41)

So if you fools only don't care about that.

Phil Remains (23:43)

I was saying everyone is a fool.

Kyla (23:45)

Well, I don't think everyone's a fool. I think, like, the art. One of the things that I love about, like, America and like American tradition, like Greek philosophy, is that, like, we're built on a tradition of people thinking beyond just their own skin and preferences. This is why you're probably familiar with Rawls and like the veil of ignorance, right? So it's great, it's this great kind of political philosophy where it says you should imagine a world where you can't know what body, gender, et cetera you'll be born into. What society do you want?

Phil Remains (24:13)

This literally sounds like an argument against universal enfranchisement because the average person doesn't, doesn't conceive of the world like that.

Tim Pool (24:21)

And as much as, as much as

Phil Remains (24:22)

you're, as much as you're like, this

Tim Pool (24:24)

is what it ought to be.

Phil Remains (24:25)

And I agree this is not the reality of the world that we live in.

Kyla (24:28)

I, so I agree that it's not the reality of the world we live in to some degree, but I think

Tim Pool (24:32)

that like to a large degree.

Kyla (24:34)

Well, sure. And I think that that's a sad thing. I think the fact that we've like lost the connection to the things that matter beyond just our own skin, that we've failed to understand that principles matter that fundamentally and deeply. And to hold to these principles, to understand why we said everyone has to be equal before the law, even if I hate that guy, and why that matters is a failing of our society. And it doesn't matter what side don't

Phil Remains (25:00)

we have to deal with the world as it is. We have to meet, meet the population and meet the world where it is. We can't be like, well, you know, it should be this and it should be that.

Kyla (25:08)

There's this saying in psychology where we say if you meet people, if your expectations for people are exactly where they are, all they'll do is be exactly what they are. Whereas if you look at people and you say, I know you can do better. I know that we can collect and do and unify. They might not get up here, but they're probably going to get here.

Rudyard Lynch (25:24)

Let me ask you a question, Let

Tim Pool (25:25)

me ask you a question. Right, like murder is wrong. Obviously we all generally, except for like self defense, that's not murder. Self defense isn't murder. Murder murder is the intentional killing another person without warrant. Okay? And so if you walked up to a person and just shot them and they died, we'd find it to be murder. And Rudyard, this is for you too. Let's say that you live in a small village in the countryside and you know, the year is 1300, whatever, and it's, you're, you're French, so you're all like, you know, white, brown haired, blue eyed people or whatever, whatever they looked like in France and they're sitting there going ha ha and inventing croissants. And then you get people who are clearly distinct from you, and they show up and you say, well, we don't just kill people. We're a little apprehensive. And then you meet and you talk and the guy pulls a knife and just stabs your village elder to death and then throws fire in your village and then flees.

Ian Crossland (26:14)

Sounds like the Romans.

Tim Pool (26:15)

So then the next day a similar person shows up. Do you just say, no, no, no, no, no, no. We must stand by our principles. We do not attack, we do not, you know. Or when a similar person shows up in the same garb, with the same physical appearance, carrying a torch, do you say, one more move and you die?

Kyla (26:34)

I would say that both of these philosophies were silly to begin with. I don't think that the philosophy means naivete.

Tim Pool (26:41)

I didn't ask you, I asked you a specific scenario to get to tell me what you thought.

Kyla (26:44)

I'm telling you why the scenario already is flawed. I think that the principle that they had initially probably was uninformed and uncomplex. And it does have to be outsiders, but it doesn't have to be to an extreme opposite side, which is often what people do. They go from one side and then they swap to the other side. And the reality is that the truth is a lot more times in the middle of what is a. Of a proper dialectic of what?

Tim Pool (27:06)

Back to the question. Your proposition then is the village should not allow anyone to peacefully greet them out of fear that there could be an act of violence against them?

Kyla (27:15)

No, of course not. How would you take that away from what I just said?

Tim Pool (27:17)

You said, you said that there, you said the initial response they had was probably flawed.

Kyla (27:22)

Right, But I said don't just do the opposite also, which is because it

Ian Crossland (27:25)

might be a defector.

Tim Pool (27:26)

That's if a guy throws a torch at your village and burns on your house and kills one of your people and then flees, and then a person who looks just like him, wearing the same clothes, the same flag, whatever, shows up the next day, do you treat him the same or do you adapt your.

Kyla (27:39)

You should adapt. But my caution to people is that when they think adapt, they want to go to the opposite extreme end. When in reality, oftentimes wisdom falls between the middle of two dialogues.

Tim Pool (27:50)

Sure, sure. So just what do you do?

Kyla (27:53)

I would probably be cautious, probably have arms and weapons ready in case he whips out his torch to start stabbing and murdering and burning things. Right, but inquire him Ask why he's there, see what his intention is in the village. Right. You could even treat him cautiously. Say he gives you all of the perfect answers that makes you go like, oh, he's actually a defector from that village and he's got info.

Tim Pool (28:11)

What if he throws a torch at your village and burns another building down and runs?

Kyla (28:14)

Well, hopefully you've got guys ready and he's far enough away that we can agree him.

Tim Pool (28:18)

Yeah, yeah, he does. And then the next day a similar looking guy in the same clothes shows up with a torch. Do you shoot him with an arrow?

Kyla (28:24)

No.

Tim Pool (28:25)

You let him throw the torch again?

Kyla (28:26)

No. You do neither, right?

Tim Pool (28:27)

You do neither.

Kyla (28:28)

Well, yeah, like black and white on this. Like the reality is that like wizards

Tim Pool (28:32)

just giving you a simple scenario like that has happened over and over again.

Kyla (28:36)

I agree and I'm saying the scenario of human nature is to go to black and white thinking immediately. And what I'm saying to people is that black and white thinking is just as destructive. What if that next guy showing up with the torch is just about to show up and bring blacksmith and like ironworks to your village and like revolutionize your technology.

Rudyard Lynch (28:54)

I'm going to answer both of you. I said that I liked freedom and property rights and I didn't say how that's enforced. So in many cases monarchies or authoritarian regimes provide more freedom and property rights than democracies. And democracies supercharge the character of whatever people they're in. So of the top 1% of societies, they are predominantly among the top 1%. They're predominantly democracies. That includes Athens, Rome, Rome, America, the Netherlands. And democracies can also supercharge negative characteristics.

Phil Remains (29:34)

They're not good because they're democracies. They're good because they were good. They were good.

Rudyard Lynch (29:38)

It's successful that democracy supercharging negative characteristics are the Latin sphere and the Middle East. France was better under a monarchy than it was under a democracy. So was Brazil. So was Greece. A bunch of lower trust societies. Same thing with mid in the Middle east democracies have performed better. In the Middle east, democracies vote in the preferences of the majority group. So when America made Iraq a democracy, the majority Shia voted in to oppress the minority Sunni and then they sided with America's rival Iran.

Kyla (30:13)

Yeah, but this, it's not just sure, but the issue is like this is why when we look at democracies there are different systems that work better. Right? Like there are certain, like I'm sure you probably oppose like direct democracy Right. Like the Greeks did. Because it doesn't work very well, leads to a lot of tyranny. Right. There's the tyranny of majority to be feared in democracy.

Rudyard Lynch (30:30)

So I'm going to respond.

Kyla (30:31)

It is slower. But democracies, the point of all these systems is to build counters to the major failings. Right. In the case of a democracy, you have to be afraid of the majority, the tyranny of majority. And so you have to build into the system checks and balances to prevent against the tyranny of majority as much as possible.

Rudyard Lynch (30:48)

You're appealing to wishy washy concepts which where if there's an external threat, you have to assess it for what it is based on context and you pick the highest quality person to do the assessing of context. And the thing with John Rawls is it's not an accurate depiction of the human condition to randomly pick what individual you would be because that's not how this works. Individuals have their own genetics and groups have different genetics and people are rewarded for the choices they make.

Kyla (31:17)

And so that's not a refutation of Rawls. Rawls hypothetical can engage without the. Sure, but you're saying that Rawls doesn't work because there's no baked in genetics. But that's not the point of the hypothetical.

Tim Pool (31:27)

You need to let me finish the argument.

Rudyard Lynch (31:29)

So Rawls operates under an underlying Christian assumption that there's indeterminate souls that you shove into a population. That's not what happens. A population is made up of individuals with different traits that make choices. And so you can't say if I were to randomly pick a certain population

Tim Pool (31:46)

or what would I be?

Rudyard Lynch (31:48)

Because there's nothing random. An individual is the aggregation of all of the choices that went through them. And so you can't say if I were to be born in a blank society because the society is informed by the contextual decisions of everyone involved up to that point. It strips context from the entire human condition.

Kyla (32:07)

So instead of. This is like saying trolley problems strip context because they like engagement.

Tim Pool (32:12)

Let's say instead of saying Rawls, just make the argument of. Just articulate the argument.

Kyla (32:17)

Sure, yeah. The veil of ignorance is this thought experiment in the way that trolley problems are thought experiments, which is designed to help you decide which principles you want in your society. So if you imagine a society where you can't know who you will be in that society, what are some of the principles you hope are there? Rule of law. Right. And like fair treatment before justice would be one that we would all be.

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Kyla (33:37)

Before because I don't ever want be in the minority group that just gets treated poorly by the justice system because I happen to be in that minority group.

Tim Pool (33:44)

So how would you define society

Kyla (33:48)

the way that we. I don't know, the way that we usually do. A collection of people with, like, somewhat unified cultural values probably bordered by a nation state that, like, unifies together.

Tim Pool (33:55)

That's a. That's a great definition. I would argue that by that definition, which I agree with, there are several distinct societies that exist within the United States. And each and every one of these societies is willing to use violence and lawfare against those who would threaten their moral worldview.

Kyla (34:11)

What does this have to do with the veil of ignorance?

Tim Pool (34:12)

So you're saying in a society like, who would you want to be? What rules do you want? And I would say, yes, that works wonderfully in a collection of individuals with a shared moral worldview and probably a national border. But what happens when that society is up against another society overlapping on its territories with a completely different worldview?

Kyla (34:28)

Well, this is part of how you can engage in the veil of ignorance is going, well, I don't know who I am in this society, but how do I want that society theoretically to engage in foreign policy? Well, one of them, I would say, is I want my government to protect me, me as a citizen of whatever this nation state is, because I don't want other nation states coming in, stomping me and killing me.

Tim Pool (34:43)

This is More so, like an example that I'll use that's probably the least egregious would be open air fish markets in New York City. I think they're absolutely disgusting and they shouldn't be allowed because they smell. It's, it's, it's not just that. It's the rotting fish and, and flesh that slops off street and it just. Yeah, it's all over the street and then it's just rotting for days. And when you go to Lower east side, it's just everywhere you go.

Ian Crossland (35:04)

Go to Houston.

Tim Pool (35:05)

The people who. Right, the people who live there, that's their society. They are largely Chinese and Southeast Asian. They don't care about open air fish markets. But the people of New York have started to move away because they don't like it. And this has created an entrenched enclave. Enclaves are bad. And I, I believe like, like having a group of people that form their own subdivision that have their own rules is going to create animosity and violence because you will create two distinct moral worldviews at odds with each other. Now the reason I cite this example is because it's one of the least egregious. Meaning the people of New York don't really care all that much about the open air fish markets. They just move away. They stopped living in the area. More Chinese people moved in and now the area is dominated by Chinese. But you could take a look at this and bring it to its most egregious. And that is like Chicago crime and shooting violence.

Kyla (35:52)

Sure.

Tim Pool (35:53)

So you have areas where there may be a middle class black family and gang bangers will come into that territory or just young black men who are violent for whatever reason they may be, and they will create crime. This will cause the higher income people to flee and then just dramatically impoverish the area and create more crime and violence throughout the area. So then the argument we would make is what rules do we want? Well, our principles would suggest that you are innocent until proven guilty and you should not be searched or have objects seized without, you know, something that warrants it, probably probable cause. And so what happened in New York is they said this neighborhood is where most of the shootings and violence happens. So this is where we're going to stop and frisk people. It also coincided with being a black neighborhood. The progressives then said, why are the majority of stop and frisks black? And the government, which these are Democrat appointed police said that's just where the crime is. Then they said, no more stop and frisk you need to stop because you're doing it to black people. So you have two distinct moral worldviews.

Kyla (36:54)

Sure.

Tim Pool (36:55)

You can't do this only to black people, and. But it's just the neighbor where the crime happens.

Kyla (36:59)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (36:59)

Your principles are meaningless in this regard because both groups are going to assert power over the other to make their world happy.

Kyla (37:06)

Well, this is where democracy can be beautiful or bad. Right. And so what the. The thing you're posing, right, say, you say, I don't want to have enclaves in a society. And my, My counter to that would basically say, I think with the size of nations, states, it's almost unavoidable. Even just think about the way that geography shapes a culture. Right. If you've got a nation that's mountainous and full of pine trees, and it's also in a nation with beaches and fishing, and it's also in a nation with, you know, insert different geographies. Right. The people in the culture that are going to emerge from these even just geographies alone are probably going to have some of the different values. They're going to have things where they want to prioritize fishing industry more. But it's possible that the lumber industry is like, having issues and they want more advocacy, and so they'll always have these competing interests. And I think the beauty of a democracy that's functioning well is that it takes two things where actually there might be reasonable concern. Right.

Tim Pool (37:57)

Let me. Let me ask you a question.

Kyla (37:59)

Can I finish my thought and then I'll let you ask a question?

Tim Pool (38:00)

This is a long, long.

Kyla (38:02)

Hey, you went for five minutes. I'll use two minutes. Okay.

Ian Crossland (38:05)

I've been doing this to me for five minutes.

Tim Pool (38:06)

If you can make the point.

Kyla (38:08)

Okay. The beauty of a dialectic of a democracy is you can take two opposing values. And what the idea is is to find a compromise within both where ideally you find the best.

Tim Pool (38:17)

So here's why I'm interrupting.

Kyla (38:19)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (38:19)

I feel like that is a root that is rudimentary, and we understand that completely. It's not the point that I'm making. So I'll give you a better example. Dearborn, Michigan, has several instances of female genital mutilation among young girls.

Kyla (38:29)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (38:29)

That is explicitly illegal in the United States, but in that community it happens because there's no law enforcement that will stop it.

Kyla (38:34)

Right.

Tim Pool (38:35)

You are not going to get a white cop to go into a Muslim community and say, stop doing this, because they'll say, it's our community. In fact, they even have their own de facto versions of police, and they

Kyla (38:43)

likely won't report it either. That's probably the issue.

Tim Pool (38:45)

So what is the solution then? Should the overarching government dispatch some white people who are non Muslims to take over their government to force them at gunpoint to stop?

Kyla (38:55)

Yeah, I mean, this is the great federalist question is to what extent should.

Tim Pool (38:58)

Now, that's a violation of the principles of the locals who voted that in.

Kyla (39:01)

True, but it might be for superseding, like cultural values that we value more. This is the constant tension that happens with the federalism, like, you know, amendment number 10. Go ahead. Sorry.

Rudyard Lynch (39:10)

So I'm going to say a few things. First of all is thank you. You're not stating Rawls's full argument.

Tim Pool (39:18)

Where if you.

Rudyard Lynch (39:19)

For the argument that Rawls gave, you could also apply that to Aristotle, because Aristotle was saying, what is the abstract concept of good that we can use? And Aristotle said there's three different political systems which are useful under different contexts that have their own issues. Rawls is also operating under the principle of equality, which is demonstratively false. Equality has been continually disproven by the science as well as there are genetic differences between populations. That's disproven among all of the academic community. And so when you're looking at the Rawls, he's automatically jumping to socialism is good because equality is good. And this is all operating under the assumption that enlightenment morality is correct.

Kyla (40:01)

Rawls was incredibly critical of socialism. He rejected egalitarianism.

Rudyard Lynch (40:05)

So it depends on your definition of socialism, because the socialists play a game, communism, where there's more multiple definitions of socialism used at any given time. So you can pick one or the other based on context.

Kyla (40:16)

Rawls was responding to the Marxist.

Rudyard Lynch (40:17)

Rawls is a democratic socialist, which is still the meaning of the word socialist.

Tim Pool (40:22)

I want to move on to the next big story, but I do want to just conclude by saying I completely agree with Kyla. I think we should exert force over Muslims who refuse to adhere to our traditional values.

Kyla (40:30)

That's not my position at all, but I would love to flesh it out with you. But sort of my position. It's like 50% of my position.

Tim Pool (40:36)

Well, I, I think that again, we're going to go on the next.

Ian Crossland (40:38)

Oh, I want to clarify their argument before we move on.

Tim Pool (40:41)

The point is when there are people who enter our society who have a religious practice that is an affront to our moral worldview, we will exert force against them to make them stop.

Kyla (40:52)

Yes, to an extent the thing.

Phil Remains (40:56)

No, but not to an extent like we Will use force up to whatever means or whatever amount of force. Force necessary to get them to stop.

Tim Pool (41:03)

So it's not. To an extent, it's literally. No, no, no, no. She's saying we'll tolerate some of their religious.

Kyla (41:08)

Like I want religious freedom as well. Right. And so this is like the con. This is what I'm saying. There's this tension all the time between like individual rights of freedom of, of religion, but also state values of things like we don't need children.

Tim Pool (41:18)

Sorry, interrupt. But we really do

Rudyard Lynch (41:22)

continue.

Tim Pool (41:22)

I gotta stress one more thing. This, this argument still only works so long as you maintain the monopoly on violence. And if, like a state.

Phil Remains (41:30)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (41:31)

You yourself, not the state, if you as a society with a moral worldview have the monopoly on violence, you can stop, say female genital mutilation. But if there is a new cultural worldview that has emerged, a new moral worldview, let's call it leftist, that tolerates and supports what Muslims are doing, they will take from you your monopoly on violence and then you get to the. Then you get a civil war.

Kyla (41:55)

So a lot of leftists get into this weird tension with like Islam because they're very pro feudalists.

Tim Pool (41:59)

I don't want to have an argument about lessons in Islam. My point was if there is. If you have a monopoly on violence, you can assert your authority. If there are two distinct factions with equal use of force, you get civil war.

Kyla (42:09)

I agree with that. The issue is, I guess I'm just correcting the leftist idea that they just want fgm. They don't just want fgm. In fact, they acknowledge this tension you're outlining exists regardless of the party side that you're pointing to.

Tim Pool (42:22)

My ultimate point, point as we move on again, sorry, is that your principles only apply to the people who agree with you and that is universal to all moral groups. End of story.

Kyla (42:35)

Sure. Yeah. We live in a society. True.

Tim Pool (42:38)

Yes. Like you might believe in the right to bear arms, but you're not going to give an Islamic terrorist a gun and be like, you have a right to bear arms.

Kyla (42:44)

Sure. It's why I like the liberal principles where we said, well, we should have a couple of basic rules that we all apply to because I. Other things we shouldn't impose.

Tim Pool (42:50)

So when you have two distinct moral worldviews operating in one country, and I would say more than that, you are not going to abide them the same rights as you would someone of your society.

Kyla (42:58)

Sure. Because I would say free speech is better than compelled or controlled speech. Yeah.

Tim Pool (43:02)

Like I would say if Someone is an advocate for the destruction of my country. I will not defend their right to speak. I will not defend their rights, even bear arms either. If a man comes this country screaming Ali Akbar and starts throwing bricks at cops, I'm not going to say he has a right to keep in bear arms.

Kyla (43:17)

Nobody thinks that he has a right for assault. Right, that's, that's already barred out.

Tim Pool (43:20)

But he might making is if someone expresses clear ideological sympathies for isis, we will not give them a gun,

Kyla (43:28)

possibly with isis. I think that's the case in America. But I think that there's like good, good statutory reason if you're like a terrorist sympathizer or whatever. But like in general, like.

Tim Pool (43:36)

Right. My point is, but we don't want

Kyla (43:37)

to say people who we just disagree with can't have rights.

Tim Pool (43:39)

Domestic terrorism doesn't exist in the United States because of the First Amendment. So that's why Trump, his declaration was actually just a statement he made and not anything informal. He would have to do an international declaration. This means, and I'll say it again, if someone is antifa and says this country should burn, I will not defend their right to keep and bear arms. These are people who have expressed a violent intent and we have seen in the past them use a violent intent. So. And that's a more egregious example. Let's jump to the next story, otherwise we'll keep talking. This from the Washington Post. The Pentagon seeks more than two hundred hundred billion dollars in budget request for Iran war. Somewhat as officials do not think the Defense Department's request is a realistic shot of being approved in Congress, One senior administration official says. Additionally, we've got more updates as more Marines are being deployed to the Middle East. And of course, Donald Trump has said Israel was angry and bombed the South Pars gas field in Iran. Gas, Oil, Crude oil is now up to $119per barrel and gas is expected to go up. I've seen reports, correct me if I'm wrong, because I haven't read too much into this, that China is now cutting off fertilizer exports.

Kyla (44:48)

China.

Tim Pool (44:49)

China. And guys, I know the Republicans are gonna say stick with the plan, but as of right now, I don't wanna be pessimistic. Let's just say, holy crap, this is bad.

Ian Crossland (45:00)

How about what plan?

Kyla (45:01)

I've heard Phil loves China, actually, so I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Ian Crossland (45:04)

Phil's a avid communist communicator about how he's a.

Phil Remains (45:08)

China is an adversary. I will say that 200 billion. The request from the 200 for 200 billion, if I understand correctly, is to replace the stock stocks they've already used. So it's not technically to continue funding the war. Not that it's not a slush fund anyways essentially at the Pentagon. But it is to replace the stuff they've already used because you don't want to have your stockpiles of weapons.

Ian Crossland (45:29)

Agreed.

Tim Pool (45:30)

Agreement. Trillion. Guys. We spend several hundred billion on Israel for the past 60, 50, 60 years. We spend 250 billion on Ukraine in the past four years. And now they want another 200 billion. I understand. We spend like. What's the budget for like $7 trillion?

Phil Remains (45:48)

I don't know. I have. No, no.

Tim Pool (45:50)

It's some psychotic number like this. My point is we are, we are looking at. They're discussing removing sanctions on Iranian oil at sea because they. Is it 7 trillion?

Kyla (46:01)

It's 8.38 billion. So this would up to 1 trillion.

Tim Pool (46:05)

Trillion.

Kyla (46:05)

You mean billion billion billion. 838.7 billion.

Tim Pool (46:11)

Really?

Kyla (46:11)

Yeah.

Phil Remains (46:12)

The supplemental budget request.

Kyla (46:13)

So this upset to 1 trillion if they get it.

Phil Remains (46:15)

And it aims to. It aims to cover sustained military operations, replenish depleted munitions and accelerate weapons production in mid intense strikes over the past three weeks. So I mean, like, look, look, look.

Tim Pool (46:24)

I get it. I don't like the Ayatollah. I don't like his son. I don't like their government. I don't like them constantly being a thorn in the side of all the countries in the region. They're trying to sell oil. I am not a Greta Thunberg. Bring the oil on, baby drill, baby drill. Let's have some capitalism. I'm not nobody. Greta Tunberg doesn't even care anymore. She's demanding oil get sent to Cuba. She didn't care about climate change. My point is the Iranian government sucks miserably. But as we already discussed, Erik Prince, he was quoted as saying, the problem with Iran, it's a roll the dice. You don't know if you can succeed. This is not a quote. Charlie Kirk in June, I think it was June 17, he said, this is a developed nation of 90 plus million people that you cannot just easily go in and topple. You cannot just ideologically change like some smaller countries. This is a serious war. Now again, I think it's fair to point out after Trump launched those strikes on the bunkers a day after Charlie Kirk did say, I stand with my president and I want him to win. And I can respect that. I feel the same way. I want to win I would, I do things ill advised. But I think we have to just be realistic. And I'm saying optimistic. But let's at least recognize a $200 billion budget request. Oil at 120 bucks. It's this, this is, this is not good news. This is not good news for anybody. I would implore the Republicans to pay attention to this because if you ignore it or poo poo it, you're going to lose the midterms worse than you may already do.

Ian Crossland (47:49)

I'm in a real like, like crossroads in my own soul about this because we're all in. We put our, as Alex Jones said, we put our dick in the light socket. So here we are electrocuting and we're all the way in, baby. There's no going back.

Tim Pool (48:04)

I don't know.

Ian Crossland (48:04)

I mean obviously we could leave, but then they'll attack us for 20 years.

Tim Pool (48:06)

Like what do we do? Destroy?

Ian Crossland (48:08)

Do we level this country to the ground? Kill 100 million people, however many millions of people got to go?

Rudyard Lynch (48:13)

There's set up a new government.

Ian Crossland (48:14)

Or do we, or do we, do we yell to stop the war? Because I feel like I'm on board with this motion of American hegemony, free speech, property rights all over the planet. If we stop this thing, I think the whole system will crumble. So. But I don't want to kill a million Iranians. I do want the country to be called Persia though, so it's less confusing about Iran. Iraq.

Phil Remains (48:37)

Well, I mean so it's been, it's been Iran for a long, long time. I know that it was Persia. It's the Persian, it was Persian, the Persian empire and stuff but it's actually been called Iran for a long, long time. The, the, the, the term Aryan comes from the word Iran because they were, they were like with the caucuses I guess the region is similar but the. I don't have so much of a problem with the request for the money.

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Phil Remains (49:32)

Because of the Fact that it is to re, to restock the depleted munitions. Right. So I, I, you can have your problems with the, with the war. You can have your concerns. You can, you can address all of the real, actual, tangible problems that this is causing. But to say that, you know, the, this, the returning to whatever baseline level our munitions are or should be, I think that that's something that we should do because the idea of allowing the United States to not have the over overwhelming military power that we do have, allowing that to be degraded, is far more of a problem for the US than, for, than to, than to say, oh, we're not going to spend $200 billion.

Kyla (50:15)

Feel about Trump in general, like promising peace, promising no wars, promising to end wars and dragging you guys into Iran. Like, does that bother you? Were you for Trump's promise of peace?

Tim Pool (50:26)

Like, how do you, I view Trump on foreign policy as just generally better than every other president in my lifetime. And despite him being so hawkish, he's been hawkish on Iran the whole time.

Kyla (50:39)

Well, he's hawkish everywhere, right? He like, he pretends, he pretends deterrence is like dovish policy. Right. Like, he'll like.

Tim Pool (50:47)

I respect the hawkishness. It's a question of are you gonna actually go in? I think my view of getting involved in Iran was skepticism, but hope Venezuela was the same thing. And I think Venezuela played out very, very well. So.

Kyla (51:00)

Well for who?

Tim Pool (51:01)

For, for us. Venezuela seized our oil assets. We had a treaty with them, okay. We shook hands with Venezuela and said, we're going to build oil. And they said, you got it, brother. And we were all sharing in money and they were the wealthiest country in South America. Then they elected a democratic socialist who came in and stole our oil assets, and our country did nothing about that. So I again say the Venezuela operation, skepticism. But then when Trump goes in, takes out Maduro and just brings him to New York, which will be weird if he's found not guilty, I don't know that'll play out. But then we get our oil assets back. I'm like, well, that's what I call justice. Now as for Iran, this is a bigger question over the Strait of Hormuz.

Kyla (51:37)

And I think, did, didn't they steal their own national, didn't they nationalize Venezuelan companies?

Tim Pool (51:42)

These were American built, multibillion dollar investments to build oil infrastructure in Venezuela. But it's, and we had treaties with them to do it. And it was an estimated billion dollars in assets stolen.

Kyla (51:53)

Sure.

Tim Pool (51:53)

But you do not get to hold on.

Kyla (51:55)

This is private. This is Private American dollars. Right. Does the American government owe private companies military protection? If a government that they went into trade with buys out the company that they wanted to, especially when they're giving

Tim Pool (52:08)

the oil to our enemies.

Kyla (52:09)

If Walmart, I don't care if it's

Tim Pool (52:11)

true or not, it's a more, it's an opinion.

Kyla (52:12)

Think about the principle here. Like let's take it out of Venezuela. If, say Walmart has a close relationship with China, there's a Chinese private company that they're working with, and as a result of the Communist Party, China goes, we're actually taking all these assets and they take like $10 billion worth of Walmart principles. Should America go in there and take private company assets? We should spend taxpayer dollars to take private company assets back.

Tim Pool (52:36)

Why so, so first and foremost, the question about China would actually be a question of can we be militarily successful in doing so. In terms of what Venezuela stole, we had a treaty with them, which was at the governmental level, which we do have a treaty with China on trade. So if they're violent and it's not just private assets that are being violated. Venezuela stole 10 billion plus dollars in assets. We did nothing about it. All we did this time was discombobulate, take their leader out and take back our oil industry from them, which we agreed to build with them. They broke the rules, they stabbed us in the back.

Ian Crossland (53:11)

Question I got is when. If the Chinese buy a bunch of farmland in the United States and then the Americans are like, actually this is our land and they seize it from these private Chinese companies that did everything legally, are we in the right? And I would say yes, because it's American sovereignty. So Venezuelans in the right taking their sovereign territory back, it's different because it's Venezuela. That's the problem is you justify, I mean, it's a justification of monkey tail. You got to do the strongest, hardest brutalists winning tactic to survive.

Tim Pool (53:38)

There are. The first thing I would say is you are absolutely correct and that I will always be biased for my society and my way of life and what I think is right. And I think that if I enter an agreement with another country to build oil assets and they share in those profits and then they take them from me, that is a violation of our moral agreement. Then if you start privately buying up under my nose through our legal system, farmland near our military bases for which you can surveil them, I'm going to tell you to knock it the f off. Yeah, I'm going to take that land back.

Phil Remains (54:06)

The, the, the like the product that they're actually talking about matters too. Right. Like oil is definitely a geopolitical tool. Right. Like it's literally civilization juice.

Tim Pool (54:24)

We've already addressed it. The farmland they're buying is near our military bases for which they're surveilling our military.

Ian Crossland (54:31)

I agree, but they're doing illegal.

Kyla (54:32)

Let's say that's not what they're doing. Well, let's say in the hypothetical.

Tim Pool (54:35)

They're doing.

Kyla (54:35)

Well, hold on. In the hypothetical, it's more analogous to this situation where that's not. Because I'm assuming you're not saying that America was actually making it military assets secretly. And I think it was actually private companies. Oil drilling. So say it's private Chinese companies, as private as they can be that own and buy farmland and are growing soybeans in Canadian. In Canadian. In American land.

Rudyard Lynch (54:54)

Venezuela is one of the least defensible regimes you can pick because the Venezuelan government alienated even their own people. Where Maduro needed to use Cuban mercenaries in order to establish his power, where Maduro was a democratically elected politician who installed himself as dictator, he was profoundly unpopular. So he used Cuban mercenaries to install himself in power.

Kyla (55:16)

Nobody's defending Venezuela here. Nobody likes Venezuela. I didn't defend Venezuela.

Tim Pool (55:21)

I'm gonna say it for the third time. If I have an agreement to produce oil in your country and we share in the profits, and you have a problem with that, negotiate the treaty, sever it or otherwise, which they did negotiate,

Kyla (55:33)

and pay out a million dollars. Let me finish.

Tim Pool (55:35)

Don't steal it. If you are buying land in our country that is a threat to our national security, you are a threat to our national security as per our assessment. So the issue, there is a moral distinction between these two things. I will still add on top of that, we are the United States and we are always going to operate at our behest and not for the benefit of anybody else. So if that means we in good faith negotiate a contract with Venezuela to build oil and they steal it, we take it back.

Kyla (56:01)

That's not an accurate way of describing

Tim Pool (56:04)

what China buys land and our country and we deem it so, we will seize it from them. We do. Because we are America working for our interests.

Kyla (56:11)

Sure. But then the principle that you're not mad about isn't that they're stealing from us. It's just that it's America. It's just that's all the principle is. And what I'm saying is that's probably not good foreign policy. For example, in the Venezuela thing, as Quick as I'm looking, Chevron took a billion dollar payout because they agreed to dip and they stayed actually as minority partners with Venezuela for a long time. The issue is that the two other oil barons didn't want to take the deal and then in that case it got seized. And then they went through courts to try to get their assets back, which they were, which they were not successful. And now the taxpayer is paying so that mobile can have their assets back. Yes, the American taxpayer. I'm not sure I'm for.

Tim Pool (56:50)

What is the tax. What is the point of the public, of the public coffers if not to defend the public from foreign adversaries?

Kyla (56:57)

I would say in this case it would be okay. What's in the good to the public making sure we have oil.

Tim Pool (57:03)

Let me ask you a simpler question.

Kyla (57:04)

Hold on.

Tim Pool (57:04)

A guy is on his dinghy fishing off the coast of Florida when pirates show up. Why should the private taxpayer have the Coast Guard go and save him from some other country's pirates?

Kyla (57:13)

These are literally the function are companies, individuals.

Tim Pool (57:17)

What does that have to do with what I'm talking about?

Kyla (57:18)

Well, you're comparing a company to an individual on his boat.

Tim Pool (57:20)

What does that have to do with the, with the moral point of individual

Kyla (57:23)

having their live and safety threatened by pirates is. No, no, they want to say as

Tim Pool (57:28)

mobile, you want to steal his boat to the Coast Guard stop.

Kyla (57:30)

It's his individual property. Right in this Coast Guard stop.

Tim Pool (57:33)

It's a company's property.

Ian Crossland (57:34)

It's called an Exxon tanker.

Tim Pool (57:35)

Yeah, there's an Exxon tanker and a bunch of pirates raided. Should the Coast Guard stop the pirates?

Kyla (57:39)

Probably the pirates, yeah.

Tim Pool (57:40)

What's the difference?

Kyla (57:41)

The difference is that we are negotiating pirates. It's a nation state that we have to negotiate with and we can't just go to war with everyone.

Tim Pool (57:47)

So we let Venezuela seize our tankers.

Kyla (57:50)

I think we, when they happened, we had massive sanctions. I believe large naito sanctions were put against Venezuela. Nobody, as you've said, nobody likes Venezuela. I don't like Venezuela.

Tim Pool (58:00)

I don't like Venusian question about.

Rudyard Lynch (58:02)

You're arguing against America's interests, which should be the opposite of the American government. You're not using rational consistency. You're arguing against the interests of American power in each individual context.

Kyla (58:12)

I'm, I'm not actually. Because theoretically, if the American government is for American like success. The thing at question here isn't mobile. We don't owe mobile anything as a company. We owe Americans.

Tim Pool (58:24)

Does Mobile taxes?

Kyla (58:25)

No, but they do pay taxes. But we could negotiate a new trade deal with somebody else, increase our buy of oil from somebody else, pay taxes. Instead of spending money to go blow up Venezuela, we could have negotiated contracts with other oil suppliers.

Tim Pool (58:37)

These companies pay taxes, which includes money for public defense for which they are

Kyla (58:41)

entitled to some extent.

Tim Pool (58:44)

And I will add on top of this that Venezuela seized our oil assets to distribute oil to our adversaries.

Kyla (58:50)

Yeah, that did happen as well, which is why we engage in sanctions. But the idea is that the boot comes down. This is the issue in foreign policy. When people fuck you over, you don't just immediately go to mice.

Tim Pool (58:59)

We didn't. It was 20 years ago.

Kyla (59:01)

Why?

Tim Pool (59:02)

It was 2009.

Kyla (59:03)

War is expensive, bad for economy.

Tim Pool (59:07)

This was 17 years ago. And they tried the legal method and none of it worked. And Trump said, okay, get our oil back.

Kyla (59:13)

Sure.

Tim Pool (59:14)

17 years later is not a short amount of time.

Kyla (59:16)

Yeah. And one of the issues is we didn't really get our oil back. Most of the tankers that we seized from them we've sold off to Saudi Arabia, which only apparently the Trump admin can actually have access to the $500 million. So the American taxpayers didn't even make back the money that we spent to bail out mobile.

Tim Pool (59:29)

We also cut off Cuba. But I want to go back to the original question so we can round this one out and jump to the next stories that we have. And it was a question about how do we feel about Donald Trump. And I will say I'm a big fan of the Abraham Accords. When Donald Trump crossed the DMZ with Kim Jong Un, I was welling up, I was nearly in tears. I mean that was an incredible moment for the Koreas. And Donald Trump crossed into the DMZ without security. They could have killed him, they could have captured him, they could have done a lot of things. And you can say it was for ego. You can say it was for. But it was a tremendous step towards peace and I'd like to see more of that. So I tremendously respect it. Donald Trump's at the timeline for getting out of Afghanistan. None of this of course is perfect, but Donald Trump has been infinitely better on foreign policy than any president of my lifetime.

Kyla (60:12)

The Afghanistan pullout was horrific.

Tim Pool (60:14)

That was Joe Biden.

Kyla (60:15)

It was not. You just said that the pull up policy was decided.

Tim Pool (60:18)

Line was set.

Rudyard Lynch (60:19)

Biden.

Kyla (60:19)

It was not just Biden. The problem is that when things happen over multiple presidencies, it's typically both.

Tim Pool (60:25)

It was Joe Biden.

Kyla (60:26)

It was not.

Ian Crossland (60:27)

Trump had like established a timeline to pull out And Joe Biden went ahead and said, we're not going to do that. I'm going to just do it now. He changed the timeline to 911 to make a scene.

Tim Pool (60:37)

And then they abandoned Bagram Air Force.

Ian Crossland (60:39)

They surrendered military, military equipment.

Kyla (60:41)

Billions of dollars of the way that we pulled out of Afghanistan at all. What I'm actually pointing to is a partisan blame of just one president. When, like, for example, when we look at economies, we always want to pull out of Afghanistan.

Tim Pool (60:52)

What do you mean?

Kyla (60:53)

Trump began the pull out of it, which we all.

Tim Pool (60:56)

You agree with.

Kyla (60:58)

Not the way we did.

Tim Pool (60:59)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not the way Biden did. Let's go back in time. Do you support at the time when Trump said we're going to get out of Afghanistan? Is that a good thing?

Kyla (61:07)

I'm not sure.

Tim Pool (61:08)

You think we should have stayed in Afghanistan?

Kyla (61:10)

Possibly, yeah. Okay.

Howie Mandel (61:10)

Yeah.

Tim Pool (61:11)

I think that's morally abhorrent and psychotic.

Kyla (61:13)

Why? But you want to take Venezuela, trying

Tim Pool (61:16)

to turn over Afghanistan into South Korea.

Kyla (61:18)

How is it possible that overthrowing a nation state sovereignty is cool and base, but trying to establish democracy within a country, which I agree wasn't done very well in Afghanistan, is somehow morally important?

Tim Pool (61:28)

That first one seems to be something you've made up.

Kyla (61:30)

Venezuela, you're for Venezuela, which is invasion of a nation state.

Tim Pool (61:33)

Taking back our assets that were taken

Kyla (61:35)

from us and taking their elected official. I don't care that we don't like him. You're for it.

Tim Pool (61:42)

How is this for a criminal trial in New York City?

Kyla (61:44)

Not morally questionable, but in the case

Tim Pool (61:45)

of Afghanistan, let me explain it as simply and monosyllabically as possible.

Kyla (61:49)

Sure.

Tim Pool (61:50)

Afghanistan is 20 years of nation building. Venezuela was several days.

Kyla (61:58)

Okay. Why did the nation building fail?

Tim Pool (62:02)

Because you cannot make Afghanis gay communists.

Kyla (62:04)

No. The reason that it failed is in large part it was too expensive. So the. No. Because we nation built in Japan, because it takes exceptionally well. We built in Greece, in South Korea.

Phil Remains (62:17)

That implies that all societies are the same.

Kyla (62:19)

I don't think they're the same.

Tim Pool (62:20)

Afghanis couldn't do jumping jacks. You need. You need at least three generations, which we did get in the Koreas and

Kyla (62:26)

in Japan, you need to establish education, you need to let girls go to school and you need to establish a middle class which does active conflict.

Tim Pool (62:33)

The whole time in Afghanistan it wasn't working and they should have got well.

Kyla (62:36)

More importantly, we never worked with local experts of Afghanistan. We didn't work with the people on the ground.

Rudyard Lynch (62:43)

We worked with the Hazaras, we worked with the northern tribes. We built up an entire northern coalition. And to pull back your. You support the continuation of the occupation of Afghanistan.

Kyla (62:53)

Hold on. No, no, no, no. I did not say it's a point of research. I said I don't know.

Rudyard Lynch (62:57)

So you're a. That's an argument that allows a lot of plausible deniability.

Kyla (63:02)

No, it says. I don't know my answer to that. Well, you can, but you can't put words in my mouth of what I haven't said.

Rudyard Lynch (63:07)

Afghanistan, Venezuela. I'm gonna say Burma, but I said radical.

Tim Pool (63:13)

I did not say you're being trolled in each place.

Rudyard Lynch (63:16)

You are positionally against American foreign policy. You're not operating under a unified moral code.

Kyla (63:21)

Nope.

Tim Pool (63:22)

Hates America.

Rudyard Lynch (63:23)

Yeah, you're. You're against the. You're against the American foreign policy and you're picking whatever the opposition of it is.

Kyla (63:27)

Actually, you couldn't engage in a hypothetical, so I'm not sure how.

Rudyard Lynch (63:30)

I. I write an alternate history show for seven years.

Kyla (63:34)

Well, you didn't. So that's a. Ran1 for seven years. RAWS isn't true because, you know, Jeans

Tim Pool (63:42)

Rawls couldn't engage in a hypothetical because

Kyla (63:44)

he couldn't project his views onto reality like this. That my. Here. I'll tell you my consistent threat. My consistent threat is I would like to see worldwide liberal democracies emerge. That's what I would like to see, because I think liberal democracies tend not to go to war with each other. They lift people out of poverty best. They establish a good middle class. They establish education, and they decrease. Sorry, go ahead.

Phil Remains (64:12)

The idea that every society can be a liberal democracy is. Is totally outside of the realm of possibility.

Kyla (64:19)

Like genes. Like some people are genetically incapable of

Phil Remains (64:21)

having a liberal democracy just because of customs.

Tim Pool (64:24)

Yeah. I have a question. I have a question in this regard. Like Liberia, for instance.

Kyla (64:28)

I don't know enough about Liberia.

Tim Pool (64:30)

We repatriated former slaves and then established an American constitutional liberal democracy, and it devolved into cannibalism and tribal warfare.

Kyla (64:38)

Because why?

Tim Pool (64:39)

I don't know.

Kyla (64:40)

Well, the issue is maybe Rudyard knows. You know, nobody can. Nobody can.

Tim Pool (64:44)

Nobody can.

Kyla (64:45)

Sorry. Certain cultures can. Certain cultures can't. My argument would be not all the liberal democracies have to look the same. When I say liberal democracy, I don't mean superheroes that are gay. What I mean is free speech, due process, like strong institutions and balances.

Phil Remains (64:58)

Your argument about free speech. Like, there's a lot of societies that totally reject free speech out of hand.

Kyla (65:04)

Yeah. And they're wrong.

Tim Pool (65:05)

Well, I mean, so they're.

Phil Remains (65:07)

The point that I'm making is those societies choose to be that way. They choose to not be liberal Democrats.

Tim Pool (65:14)

Well, they shouldn't have the choice and the.

Phil Remains (65:15)

And we can't make other societies have our values.

Kyla (65:19)

No, I think we can convince them to have ourselves.

Tim Pool (65:21)

I want to get to this next story which is actually relevant to conversation. I'll say one last thing on this in that I think there's a realignment that's going to happen. The progressives that lost in Illinois lost largely to AIPAC backed candidates, which many people consider to be a shift. Plus, we're seeing the media.

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Tim Pool (66:35)

Purchases by pro Israel, pro Zionist individuals. I tweeted this earlier. I think that we're going to see a political realignment where one party becomes interventionist and one party becomes anti interventionist. I'm not entirely sure if the Democrats will be the anti or pro interventionist considering they're very critical of Trump right now. But it is shifting and with AIPAC backing these candidates, Democrats may actually end up in the we should go into these countries. And then with Tucker, Candace and Megan being loud right wing voices, they may the Republican may may become staunchly anti intervention, which shifts the dynamic from woke versus Anti woke into war and pro war, which is exactly what we were seeing with Obama versus McCain after the bush era where Obama played the I'm against the war. And McCain was like, well, sometimes you need it. So again, I think the point you're making about why we may have needed. May have. I'm not saying we should have, may have needed to stay in Afghanistan is a point made by many neoliberals, more moderate Democrats, about nation building.

Ian Crossland (67:35)

But let's look at the story important that sometimes you need to do evil to create order in life and sometimes you need to create chaos to produce good because totalitarian systems that have too much. So this is an instance of going into Venezuela of doing something predominantly evil to create order in the realm.

Tim Pool (67:51)

Okay, we're going to just have to

Ian Crossland (67:53)

always have that debate.

Tim Pool (67:53)

We're going to have the story we got from the New York Post. U.S. territory turned tropical maternity ward has produced thousands of American babies for parents living in China. Amazing. The Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana islands is a U.S. territory northeast of Guam in the Pacific Ocean. It's been flooded with so called birth tourists since 2009 when then President Barack Obama introduced a visa waiver program for Chinese nationals. What a scumbag. I say strip them all of their citizenship. Absolutely no more birthright citizenship. And they can't come back.

Phil Remains (68:25)

Yeah, I mean everyone.

Tim Pool (68:26)

Kyle is gone. Okay. Everyone agrees.

Phil Remains (68:27)

Yeah, probably, to be honest with you,

Tim Pool (68:30)

she's going to be like, no Chinese should be allowed to be president of the United States.

Phil Remains (68:33)

It's just that civilizational suicide. I mean the idea, the fact that there are, that there is evidence that there are thousands and thousands of people that are going there just to have children, particularly from China.

Tim Pool (68:45)

Right.

Phil Remains (68:46)

China is absolutely an adversary. They're not a partner. They're not, they're not some, they're not even rivals. They're an adversary. And the idea that they're, that they should be allowed to be American citizens just because they're born there, then back brought back to China to be raised.

Tim Pool (69:00)

That's why I can't stand liberals, man. Because they're just like, they're going to stand around while like these Chinese people doing birth tourism are literally saying, in 20 years you will start seizing power and assets from the American people. And the American liberals are like, they're going to be standing there as the, as the Chinese guy goes, like, I have every right to take your stuff because I am American. And they're gonna go, guess you're right.

Ian Crossland (69:21)

Yeah.

Phil Remains (69:21)

I mean they're going to be used as a vector of attack against the United States.

Ian Crossland (69:26)

Is it just that people don't.

Tim Pool (69:27)

I'm asking you to.

Ian Crossland (69:28)

Rather you, I mean, you study this stuff that people just don't have that outside perspective of the system. They get. They get in it. They get emotionally involved with, like, yeah, we're. We're accepting of people, but, like, is it just that, like, dumb first order thinking?

Rudyard Lynch (69:42)

So James Burnham has the best narrative about this. He wrote a book in 1961 called the Suicide of the West. And the thesis of the book was that liberals do not have a morally consistent code. They just support whatever degrades the west fast enough. And so in 1961, he said that this would cause the collapse, the suicide of Western civilization because the liberals don't have a consistent code. They would just push for these various policies that would degrade the character of Western civilization. And then people would give concessions to moderate liberals, which would then pass to radical Marxists. And so we said radical Marxists would take over the institutions, which is what we've seen. And these people. I agree with you, Tim. These people have no. This is why I brought up Rawls in the Enlightenment. These people have no concept that there are others who do not share their values, who will use violence against them. And if someone was willing to use violence and will not share your values, you have to pair that with violence.

Ian Crossland (70:36)

I often notice people are very like, laissez faire about, you know, about whatever, bringing new people in, changing the system. They're kind of open to it until it affects them directly. They get mugged and then they're like. Like Anna Kasparian, you know, she's completely flipped after she got attacked by some dude outside her house.

Phil Remains (70:53)

I don't know that she's completely flipped, but she's. She's definitely.

Ian Crossland (70:55)

Once it attacks you and so to. To get. Make sure that people don't have to face it and have that traumatic realignment that you can maybe educate them ahead of time and get them to kind of see what mass migration can do, you know, see how societies can be destroyed with. Mass migration is used as a weapon, but, like, to get people to realize it without really experiencing it.

Tim Pool (71:17)

I don't know. I don't know how.

Ian Crossland (71:19)

I played a lot of crusader kings,

Tim Pool (71:20)

and I would watch countries get flipped with cultural.

Ian Crossland (71:23)

You know, the culture just takes it, and then people vote for their own demise. I'm like, that's how I learned. But sorry.

Rudyard Lynch (71:28)

Yeah, you'd have to establish cultural traditions too, because this is something a lot of tribal societies do where they have rites of passage that force people to grow up through these various rituals that make them comprehend the horror of the world. Because industrial civilization has protected us from the brutality of the human condition. And so people are just not aware of how bad things can get. And that's. That's why we're having mouse utopia.

Ian Crossland (71:55)

And so like horror movies and stuff.

Tim Pool (71:57)

Is that part of why they're.

Ian Crossland (71:58)

Why people like them is because it helps them see into what it could be?

Rudyard Lynch (72:01)

Yeah. People like horror movies is like a reset button. And it's because people physiologically process reality. And so if someone physiologically does not understand. Understand something, they're going to have trouble understanding it abstract intellectually.

Ian Crossland (72:19)

And so.

Kyla (72:19)

But like, we don't. This is so. I think you guys are like true about something, right? Which is that like, by and large people are a culmination of their experiences and that's about it. Right. What you're talking about like Anacaspirian.

Tim Pool (72:29)

Right.

Kyla (72:29)

What you're talking about is like the morally lucky individual who just happens to grow up with the whatever morals you prefer and loves them because they grew up with them. Right. But I also think that we can experience and observe things and think of things and develop a sense of self outside of these experiences. It just takes significant work. Right. In the case of learning math, it's really hard to experience high levels of math, Euclidean geometry, however, if you engage in it at high levels over and over as like a rigorous mental practice in the way that you could do with philosophy. Right. You can actually come to observe and understand these things and have it kind of phenomenologically affect how you engage with the world.

Tim Pool (73:06)

Let's go back to the original question, which is there's an island where Chinese people are flying, giving birth and then leaving so that those. Those babies will have standing to be president and be American citizens. Should we put a stop to that?

Kyla (73:17)

Yeah, probably.

Tim Pool (73:18)

Should we. Should we end birthright citizenship?

Kyla (73:21)

I think it's complicated because it's a very American tradition. Right. There's a really. There's a really good debate between two of my friends. I don't know if I can shout out other creators. I think you've had both of them on Pisco and Raimu Lali, when they were at word war debate, talked about this. And I think both of them had really good arguments. Ryan being saying birthright means an implied patriotism because obviously the founding fathers didn't know about like planes.

Tim Pool (73:50)

Right.

Kyla (73:50)

So if you were born here, you're probably invested because you're not going to leave very easily. Right. And Pisco kind of addressed that. Well, birthright citizenship is about the individual. It's not about their Parents, and that matters. So I think there's really good arguments on either side.

Tim Pool (74:03)

No, it's silly that someone from China can fly here specifically to give birth and then like fly here a week before birth, give birth, and then fly back a week later.

Kyla (74:12)

I agree, but there might be a way to like, policy carve out in such a way that people can't abuse it like that. But we still protect the birthright situation. Yes, some way to do that work. Because I think the Pisco points out really aptly, I forget which amendment it is, and I'm going to butcher his arguments. I'm very sorry, Peace guy. I think the 14th. Yeah, but the jurisdiction of the state it's talking about is the child. It's not the parents. And a child is not responsible for their parents, their parents, sins, their parents, heritage, any of these sort of things.

Tim Pool (74:39)

Especially what jurisdiction thereof was, was like. If you look at the debates.

Kyla (74:42)

No, but in the American law idea, the idea is that you can come here and be born here and that makes you American. And yes, there are people abusing it. But the question might be, is there a way to prevent the abuse while maintaining the principles of what you got?

Tim Pool (74:55)

The 14th amendment was specifically for post Civil war addressing the issue of slaves. And the point of if you were born here, you were a slave was past tense, not future. The idea was all of the slaves who were born here are citizens. That's what they were saying. There was a debate on this in which the guy said, well, no one's going to construe this to mean that foreigners, diplomats, or their children would, would have just fly here. And that was back when we didn't have planes and people were like traveling three months. So it was actually debated. And then it was, what was it? Wong Kim. What was it? Wong v. Kim Ark or whatever. I can't remember the name of the president, where they were like, no, no, no. Anybody born here at this point forward will be a citizen. Despite that not being. Despite that not being the intention of the 14th Amendment, there was never a

Rudyard Lynch (75:44)

moral argument behind it. It was just practicality only really. Nations in the new world.

Tim Pool (75:48)

Dr. United States, yeah.

Rudyard Lynch (75:50)

Birthright citizenship is just nations in the new world with a handful of exceptions because these were countries with high demographic turnover. If you went to the founding fathers and made that moral argument, they just wouldn't have a concept for that.

Kyla (76:03)

Sure. But the principle that's emerging is the same.

Rudyard Lynch (76:05)

What's the principle? What's the moral principle that the principle

Kyla (76:08)

here would be that you are not Held and bound by like the actions or identity of what your parents are.

Rudyard Lynch (76:13)

Why is that good?

Kyla (76:14)

I think that that's good because, for example, being held accountable for the sins or like history of your parents is something that was often done in older world orders that I think was harmful. I don't think that I should be culpable for the behaviors, the actions, the viewpoints, or the identity of my parents.

Tim Pool (76:29)

I completely agree. Like if someone illegally enters my home and then gives birth, that kids will just live in my house now. I am not responsible for the crime they committed.

Kyla (76:37)

What is a really cute baby?

Tim Pool (76:38)

No baby's gotta go.

Rudyard Lynch (76:38)

But reality also exists. We fundamentally exist in, in a world of distinct countries that have their own histories. And the reality is not that we are fundamentally born because the baby boomers are gonna pass on a crap ton of debt to my generation, Gen Z, by this logic. And we can't, you can say, of course it'd be nice if we got rid of the debt. I am going to be stuck with this debt. I am going to force the generational inheritance the baby boomers gave me and I cannot do anything about this. This is the fundamental reality of the human condition. And I believe in creating politics around fundamental realities, not around abstract principles and then forcing them on reality whether or not they make sense.

Kyla (77:18)

So if your parents a thief, should everyone look at you skeptically for the next like 15 to 40 years of your life because your parent was a thief might be in your genes.

Rudyard Lynch (77:24)

This was something that the Western tradition had established. We had already thought this through where Christianity and the Greco Roman tradition said that the individual should be judged for their actions. But this was something that was thought through at the time. It wasn't just. It wasn't a post ad hoc rationalization for a legal structure where we established this legal structure because it was convenient at the time. It was not a moral principle.

Ian Crossland (77:50)

You know, I think we form society based off of literal reality, like you're saying, but also off of abstract concepts like our rights are given to us by God.

Tim Pool (77:59)

Whoa, man.

Rudyard Lynch (78:00)

Reality is complicated. And my theory is that it's like the masculine and the feminine, the ideal and the material match up together. And so there's a dynamic between them where the ideal can pull a little bit and the material can pull a little bit and it's a negotiation between the two.

Ian Crossland (78:14)

So do you think right now, to

Kyla (78:16)

my point, right, what you're saying is what I'm saying, right? I agree that for example, the national debt that the boomers created is something that My generation and your generation are going to have to deal with. But at the same time, I might be able to say the way that I identify as an individual individual. The things that I carry into this world, as far as, like, maybe things like opportunity and circumstance shouldn't be nearly as neatly tied to my parents. I think that that's a very old world idea that I don't like. But if there's this tension between these.

Ian Crossland (78:38)

If your parents literally birthed you here, then your whole world identity would revolve around the fact that they did that.

Phil Remains (78:44)

Only if you lived here would it

Ian Crossland (78:45)

matter if you were born here.

Tim Pool (78:46)

So.

Ian Crossland (78:46)

So it totally depends on what you live here. You're saying it's your. Your identity shouldn't be anything to do with your parents, but your parents decided where you're going to be born.

Kyla (78:55)

Nothing to do with your parents. The idea is that you shouldn't have to inherit their actions. Right?

Ian Crossland (78:59)

But you become a citizen of the country they choose to birth you in to some extent.

Kyla (79:02)

Well, they do, but we don't. Right. My dad being in. He's not any of these things. But say my dad is an alcoholic and a thief. That doesn't mean that I am accountable for the time that he stole from somebody. This is why, like, lands rights can get really messy. And we often say in the case of like, is that stolen land or not? We go, well, maybe my ancestors. Ancestors. Ancestors. But for how long do we have to pay for that?

Tim Pool (79:23)

Right? Yeah, 40 acres and a mule. I shouldn't have to pay for that.

Rudyard Lynch (79:29)

By that logic, white people should not be held to the actions of their ancestors because we should not inherit the costs of our ancestors.

Tim Pool (79:35)

Wait a minute.

Rudyard Lynch (79:36)

And also on top of it, I said that the development of these moral codes is a conflict between the material and the ideal. What you're basically saying is that if the ideal is a man and the material is the woman, the man should just totally dominate the woman without reference to the material reality.

Tim Pool (79:53)

Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I want to change my opinion because I just. I just realized something.

Kyla (79:57)

That you're a democrat?

Tim Pool (79:58)

No. For the longest time I just thought I was a quarter Korean. But then I found out that I'm actually 5% Japanese. Now I'm in favor of the sins of the father because this means the government, United States government's got to give me reparations because I'm Japanese. So pay up.

Kyla (80:14)

You have to prove that they stole stuff from you too.

Tim Pool (80:16)

No, I don't.

Kyla (80:16)

Now you do. No, I think the Japanese had to Submit receipts of being like, hey, but also part of why they got paid back. Why they got paid back is because it. It was actually within the same gender.

Ian Crossland (80:25)

Do you guys think that we're out of balance with, like, okay, so, like Rodri was saying about the politics based on the harsh reality and politics based on the philosophy that we've become. So. I think we've become so into philosophy with. With post. Thank you, Rudyard. Yeah, talk me in that we become, like, in postmodernism, that we're so philosophical

Tim Pool (80:43)

heavy that we've lost.

Ian Crossland (80:44)

Lost sight with just brute reality points.

Rudyard Lynch (80:46)

We're radically delusional. I think that's just obvious. Our. Our moral code is no frame for reality.

Phil Remains (80:51)

Yep.

Tim Pool (80:52)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (80:52)

I'll be right back. Thanks.

Phil Remains (80:53)

I agree with that.

Rudyard Lynch (80:54)

I agree with the Internet.

Ian Crossland (80:55)

It's easy to become something you're not, to play in fantasy. And since the end of the Cold War, we've just been carte blanche. We haven't had repercussions.

Tim Pool (81:01)

How about we go nuclear and jump to this next story? Donald Trump is the Antichrist. Now that I have sufficiently, sufficiently made many of you angry, and I'll say that I'm joking. There is something interesting because we've got this. This tweet from Drew Tang who says, remember when me and Donnie darkened and Sovereign Bra went on Tim cast in December of 2023 and quoted this exact verse to him, saying it would happen to Trump. And then the FBI had the episode taken off YouTube. Oh, that's right. The episode was taken off of YouTube. And Leonardo, Joanie, you know you love her. She posted this. What do we think of this? And it shows Trump with his ear bleeding. I saw that one of the heads of the beast seemed wounded beyond recovery, but the fatal wound was healed. The whole world marveled at this miracle and gave allegiance to the beast revelation. Now, what's really interesting about this is that when I saw this tweet, I. I recalled sitting down with these individuals, and they literally explained to me that Donald Trump would be injured on the right side of his body in some capacity, because that was a. If he was the Antichrist, that was a symbol of the Antichrist. And so when I saw this.

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Moderate Commentator (82:24)

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Tim Pool (83:08)

I was like, no, wait a minute. Because they did say it on the show. So I asked Grok and it said the idea the Antichrist will be injured on the right side comes primarily from interpretations of biblical prophecy. Woe to the worthless shepherd who leaves the flock. A sword shall be against his arm and against his right eye, his arm shall completely wither and his right eye shall be totally blinded. Well, in all seriousness, Trump is not completely blinded, but the bullet did hit his right ear. And what they said on the show was that Trump would be injured somewhere on the right side of his face, not necessarily his eye. And then, ladies and gentlemen, hammer drop time. Nasty bruise on Trump's hand breaks through layers of makeup. The President showed it off to Irish leader on St Patrick's Day. So this is a story. The left has been playing like crazy. Trump's right arm, his right hand has been consistently bruised for going on months now, which again, I am not saying is the Antichrist, but a lot of these people who men wearing makeup is

Kyla (84:05)

pretty Antichrist behavior when he's wearing makeup.

Tim Pool (84:07)

Well, he's trying to cover up that his right arm, I don't care why

Kyla (84:10)

he's wearing it, it's bruised. I'm kidding.

Tim Pool (84:12)

He's perhaps withering.

Ian Crossland (84:16)

Damn.

Tim Pool (84:17)

I just think that was interesting.

Ian Crossland (84:18)

I don't know if the Antichrist is here. My personal take is that people can behave in a Christ like manner or in an Antichrist like behavior. And if you're super famous and powerful and you start being sinful, then you're exhibiting Antichrist like behaviors and you'll be like one of those Antichrist people. That's my personal take.

Tim Pool (84:34)

But now let's just pretend there is

Ian Crossland (84:35)

a guy that is the Antichrist. That means the second coming is arriving.

Rudyard Lynch (84:39)

He doesn't know enough.

Tim Pool (84:40)

Which is what the argument is about the war in Israel and Netanyahu saying the messianic era will come, but it won't be next Thursday. And then you've got people pointing to Donald Trump. You've got the efforts to breed the red heifer. I am not saying it's prophecy, but I am suggesting that people want it to be.

Ian Crossland (85:00)

Rudyard, were you gonna say something?

Rudyard Lynch (85:01)

Oh, Trump doesn't know enough esoteric religious lore to be the Antichrist.

Kyla (85:06)

Didn't the first say that he was gravely wounded in the case? He literally wasn't gravely wounded. He had his ear nicked.

Tim Pool (85:11)

He was shot in the head.

Kyla (85:12)

He wasn't. He literally wasn't gravely wounded. That was. The miracle is that despite having so many shooting at his head.

Tim Pool (85:17)

So eventually people have predicted the book

Rudyard Lynch (85:20)

of Revelations 50 times and has yet to have happened. That is a zero percent track record.

Kyla (85:24)

Sure, but once it does, then they'll be right.

Rudyard Lynch (85:27)

Then we're all dead.

Ian Crossland (85:29)

So the Antichrist is deeply knowledgeable in religion. Is that what you were saying?

Rudyard Lynch (85:33)

So if someone were to be the Antichrist, they'd have a. A wide variety of esoteric lore in order to found the anti religion against Christ. And so you could assess their actions and their behaviors based off their knowledge of religious lore.

Tim Pool (85:44)

Could it be.

Kyla (85:45)

Hear me out. He's hiding his power level. Okay, he does have the religious lore, but he can't show people yet because he can't let him know.

Ian Crossland (85:51)

Could his knowledge of religious lore be his knowledge of business? See, the dollar is now what people worship.

Rudyard Lynch (85:56)

They're not transferable.

Ian Crossland (85:58)

Are you sure? Because people seem to worship money.

Rudyard Lynch (86:00)

I'm pretty sure.

Ian Crossland (86:01)

I mean, money's God on earth, is it not?

Rudyard Lynch (86:03)

No, that's. That's not how. That's not how the mystic lore goes. Goes. Okay, it is now.

Ian Crossland (86:08)

So it's going to be like a priest. They say it's going to be a priest.

Rudyard Lynch (86:10)

If he is making weird esoteric remarks and he. He drops these things inside his content that. That demonstrates that he knows more than he says. Then. Then you'll know what would be an

Ian Crossland (86:20)

example of a weird esoteric remark.

Rudyard Lynch (86:23)

So I'm trying to figure out.

Kyla (86:25)

He's trying to figure out if you're the Antichrist. By the way, don't tell him. Don't tell him.

Rudyard Lynch (86:28)

I'm not.

Tim Pool (86:28)

So that's what the Antichrist. When people.

Rudyard Lynch (86:33)

Different mystics have different code words they use to Demonstrate the religious tradition they're operating in. As you can look at the code words they're operating under to figure out what their level is. So hermetics do that. Gnostics do it. Platonists do it.

Ian Crossland (86:48)

Okay, so his philosophy. Not one. Not a Gnostic, not a platist, but what is he, a secular businessman?

Rudyard Lynch (86:54)

Yeah, he is.

Tim Pool (86:55)

That's his philosophy.

Ian Crossland (86:55)

So there's easy speaking code.

Rudyard Lynch (86:57)

No, he's not.

Tim Pool (86:58)

Are you sure?

Rudyard Lynch (86:58)

I'm pretty sure.

Ian Crossland (86:59)

We just don't know the code.

Rudyard Lynch (87:00)

I'm pretty sure this guy knows.

Phil Remains (87:02)

Well, I mean, if he doesn't know. If we don't know the code, then no one knows the code.

Ian Crossland (87:07)

Phil, is something happening that we don't know about?

Phil Remains (87:09)

I mean, we don't know.

Ian Crossland (87:11)

I don't know, dude. I think I can't even joke about it. If there was an Antichrist on earth right now, who the fuck else would it be than Donald Trump? It would have to be that guy, Peter Thiel.

Kyla (87:19)

Well, Peter Thiel thinks it's Greta Thunberg.

Rudyard Lynch (87:21)

It would be the weaker Justin Bieber

Ian Crossland (87:23)

or like Elon Musk. Just a really?

Tim Pool (87:26)

Thunberg? A no. Enough esoteric religious lore to be the Antichrist.

Kyla (87:30)

Ross do that? I think it was in Ross's interview with Peter Thiel. He was like, oh, yeah, it's Greta. It's Greta Thunberg. She's the Antichrist. I can't remember his reason.

Phil Remains (87:37)

Peter Thiel is having a meeting, I guess today or this week at the Vatican or something like that. Let me see what I can.

Ian Crossland (87:44)

Okay, Don, I don't think you're the Antichrist, by the way. I already said my philosophy. I think all of us can exhibit the behavior and become it. So don't. Don't say stuff like I hate my enemies. Worship pain on your enemies because that's wrath. That is a sin.

Rudyard Lynch (87:57)

What if Karl Marx was. What if Karl Marx was the Antichrist because he established a religion based upon material things and he was also a Jew and then it was an anti church founded upon envy rather than love.

Ian Crossland (88:08)

Who would be then? What would happen in the story leading to Christ's return?

Rudyard Lynch (88:12)

So some people think that the book. So I'm not a Book of Revelations guy. That's not my thing. But some people think that book of Revelations takes course over centuries and you're compressing a complex historic event like the fall of Rome into a singular chapter.

Kyla (88:28)

They'll post hoc update their theory to match, like whatever's happened in the timeline for their preference.

Ian Crossland (88:32)

So the response, the Antidote to communism would be the return of Christ in this story. Christ returns.

Kyla (88:38)

Communism in the 70s. Maybe we're in heaven now.

Tim Pool (88:42)

No, this is hell.

Ian Crossland (88:44)

It's just one way of looking at reality.

Tim Pool (88:46)

Would it be absolutely wild if, like, in two years, like, literally Jesus just came back?

Rudyard Lynch (88:51)

It would be pretty wild.

Ian Crossland (88:52)

Jesus is my homie really cool dancing with us right now.

Tim Pool (88:55)

Jesus's spirit is within the Christian community. Oh, yeah. No, no. Here's a question, though. When he comes back, does he, like, descend from the heavens or is he already here and then like, reveals himself inside you?

Kyla (89:04)

What I would guess, Quaker says inside you.

Rudyard Lynch (89:07)

What I would guess is that he would embody. He would embody the spirit within his actions and evil wouldn't notice.

Ian Crossland (89:13)

That's what I'm talking about. Subversive dude.

Tim Pool (89:15)

So nobody would know he was here

Kyla (89:16)

or why would he not notice?

Ian Crossland (89:19)

But the return.

Tim Pool (89:21)

You know, it's gonna be really funny when, like, it happens and they're like, the rapture happens, but then all the Orthodox people are still here and they think they're right, but they're not.

Kyla (89:28)

Yeah, all those kids, all those Eobros down bad. The schism.

Tim Pool (89:33)

Roman Catholics,

Rudyard Lynch (89:36)

it's crazy. For centuries leading up to Christ in the Jewish community, they would constantly talk about the rise of their Messiah. And the Messiah was about to come. And the Messiah would defeat the Romans. And then they didn't figure out it was Christ.

Ian Crossland (89:49)

Well, did he defeat. I mean, I guess.

Tim Pool (89:51)

Hold on. So when he comes back, who are the Romans? Like, he's going to go to. He's going to go to Italy and, like, defeat the Roman Catholic.

Rudyard Lynch (89:57)

This is why I said I wasn't a Book of Revelations guy, because I don't think I can actually figure out this out.

Ian Crossland (90:02)

So when Christ returns, he defeats the Romans.

Rudyard Lynch (90:04)

So there was a. Christ emerged from a Jewish messianic tradition that stemmed back for centuries leading up to him. In this tradition, they thought that their Messiah would arise and then defeat the Roman Empire because Israel was a Roman colony.

Ian Crossland (90:18)

Yeah.

Kyla (90:19)

And that's why they don't like Jesus, the Christian Jesus, because he wasn't political.

Rudyard Lynch (90:24)

That's exactly right, actually.

Kyla (90:25)

Oh, look at that. Eobroski. Jesus wasn't political. Interesting.

Tim Pool (90:28)

Jesus wasn't political.

Rudyard Lynch (90:30)

He was. He believed in God. And so Jesus emerged and he said, we should love each other. We should accept the Roman colonization because the kingdom of heaven lies within. And they killed him for that. Because they were looking for the Messiah. But then he didn't have the message they wanted that they launch a War against the Romans.

Ian Crossland (90:43)

You know, the White House is Roman. It's Roman architecture. They even have it as white pillars, unpainted as it. Because the Roman architecture, all the paint washed off. These idiot Americans came and they rebuilt it without paint. So what is this return of Christ going to come over, throw the vestiges of the Roman Empire, that's the guise of the American oligarchy and like reset the system to a republic again?

Rudyard Lynch (91:03)

Everyone used Roman architecture at the point,

Ian Crossland (91:05)

but they forgot to paint the stuff. The Roman statues weren't white back in the day. That's what they get wrong.

Tim Pool (91:10)

Yeah, they were all crazy rainbows. You know, they were woke and then.

Ian Crossland (91:13)

So the Jews will be freed from the tyranny of the American Empire, the British Empire. And then the ones that have strayed and have forgotten what God is, will return to God.

Rudyard Lynch (91:23)

They need to rebuild the temple and then the prophecy can be fulfilled.

Tim Pool (91:26)

No, no. And the. And the red heifers. They gotta get the cow.

Rudyard Lynch (91:29)

Genetic engineering.

Tim Pool (91:31)

They're trying to like, which is crazy. They're trying to manufacture the end of time.

Ian Crossland (91:35)

I think this whole.

Rudyard Lynch (91:36)

Jesus, I like this reality. I don't want this reality to end.

Ian Crossland (91:39)

Yeah, it's good.

Tim Pool (91:40)

Well, it's. You know, one of my simulation theories is that we're just an AI Generated television entertainment show for the Progenitors. So they made this. Think about it this way. Instead of making a show like. Like we view a show, you create. You get an AI to auto generate the stories. And it's like a real time press of thing. You can just turn on and watch and then be like, I love the Trump show. Like, we just watched President Trump be crazy.

Kyla (92:07)

You know, this AI is an absolute sexual freak.

Ian Crossland (92:09)

But it's not AI it's just for sure, bro.

Tim Pool (92:11)

It's going to be a lot of porn for people to watch. Whoa, man.

Rudyard Lynch (92:13)

What if.

Tim Pool (92:13)

What if reality only fans makes money?

Rudyard Lynch (92:16)

What if reality is a dream by the gods? In order to simulate different realities, to figure out what does and doesn't work, they can repurpose this into the Tree of Life.

Ian Crossland (92:25)

Yeah, and it's not AI It's I. That's why we think of ourselves. We call ourselves I. It's intelligence.

Tim Pool (92:32)

It's not artificial. This is actual. We got to jump to this next story so we can explain to you, my friends, you need to understand just how powerful AI has become. While I wouldn't describe this as family friendly, maybe you don't want your kids watching it. Very funny. Take a look at this AI generated trailer For a movie that you wish existed.

Kyla (92:57)

Three years after a string of brutal unsolved murders of local coeds with impossibly fat milkers, the women of Delta Delta team will be headed to new space station as part of NASA's Project Bust. It's scary. The Titty Killer just disappeared. We're going to be 250 miles up. The only person watching us get changed is going to be a 60 year old man at Cape Sen. Ivo, you

Megan McCardell (93:21)

know, I heard in space your boots actually get bigger.

Tim Pool (93:25)

Why exactly are they sending a shuttle full of sorority girls to space? Son, the only thing bigger than the NASA budget after this is going to be the strain on those girls sweaters. This is like the plot of a

Phil Remains (93:36)

movie written by a 12 year old boy.

Tim Pool (93:38)

This is the first time I felt

Kyla (93:39)

safe since the Titty Killer.

Ian Crossland (93:43)

You don't think it's him, do you?

Tim Pool (93:47)

Who else would go all the way to space? Boys down here tell me. You're flat as a board. If that's right, you're basically invisible to them.

Kyla (94:00)

You might be our only hope.

Tim Pool (94:02)

This is crazy. Do you guys remember when we reviewed Capital of Conformity? Yeah, amazing. Let me, let me, let me, let me contrast this for you guys. Capital of Conformity. Because this was a couple years ago. See if I can pull it up. And real quick, I only play like two seconds for you.

Ian Crossland (94:22)

You. Oh man.

Kyla (94:24)

Yes.

Phil Remains (94:24)

You're so good.

Tim Pool (94:25)

Do you dread waking up in the morning? Are you feeling helpless in your society? Perhaps even a bit lost?

Kyla (94:31)

Well, look no further.

Tim Pool (94:34)

At the capital, we offer an escape, a new beginning, a lifetime of unending joy. We have an abundance of attractions so captivating you'll wonder how you ever lived without them. I recommend if you guys have not seen Capital of Conformity from Ozai Alter, you must, must watch it. And I will tell you what's really sad about this. This short film. It's 2 minutes and 42 seconds and it's brilliantly done. But the limitations of AI video made the made this movie feel like a nightmare. Yeah, the faces are all melting together. People are walking in weird ways. It feels like you're in a nightmare. And it works perfectly. But as AI gets better, it loses that. So now we just have the Titty Killer, which is really, really good. And it's crazy that we've gotten to this point in AI generation. Apparently Sea Dance 3, China's new AI video model in. It's not released yet, but these are the leaks. In 30 seconds it can render a 17 minute short film just, I mean, just Think about how psychotic that is. When this comes out, you're going to type in short film about Titty Killer 5 and it will make a full movie for you. And then depending on your proclivities, it might be worse than just Titty Killer.

Kyla (95:48)

Well, I just got to say we've seen it three times, so I feel like I know what some people's search history will be in this robot. Okay, Titty Killer.

Tim Pool (95:55)

I don't want the one to die. I want them to play games with each other. Like I want. I want Titty Candy Land in outer space.

Kyla (96:01)

You know, I didn't expect that to open up learning more about you, but that's.

Tim Pool (96:04)

But we did play it. We. It is incorrect. We played it two and a half times because I didn't see the beginning the first time when he says this

Kyla (96:12)

three years after a string of brutal unsolved murders of local coeds with impossibly fat milkers.

Tim Pool (96:19)

The important plot. The important plot. Dude, the movies that people are going to make are going to melt your eyeballs.

Ian Crossland (96:26)

This is already good. They're going to do retro where they're like, give me a.

Tim Pool (96:31)

A version of it.

Ian Crossland (96:32)

But AI 2024 5, March 17 version. Just like we make 8 bit video games still.

Tim Pool (96:38)

Yeah.

Phil Remains (96:39)

It is worth noting though, or it is worth pointing out that it was a very, very short amount of time where you could get that, I guess, surreal quality in. In AI videos where it was. Where it was like almost.

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Moderate Commentator (97:08)

It does seem to me that there is some awakening of a desire to act together, to solve problems where they are.

Tim Pool (97:14)

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Phil Remains (97:51)

It's like Uncanny Valley. Like, it was just creepy. Like the. Everyone's familiar with the Will Smith eating spaghetti and how that was almost a nightmare in and of itself. Like it was just so creepy looking. And obviously that's gone nowadays. And I'm not even sure if you could get an AI to, To produce that quality anymore. I actually, to be honest with you, I imagine eventually it will be able to do that. You know, they'll be able to say, look, make it as if this.

Tim Pool (98:20)

But you, you.

Phil Remains (98:21)

You can't get. You can't just prompt it to do something that's.

Ian Crossland (98:24)

That.

Phil Remains (98:25)

I, I don't know if I want to say the texture is, is a certain way. I don't know if that's the right way to articulate it, but it was the capital of conformity was super creepy.

Tim Pool (98:35)

Yeah, I, I recognize it.

Phil Remains (98:37)

It was the imperfection that was. Was so creepy.

Ian Crossland (98:39)

I asked Roseanne if now's the time to stop making movies and to start just focus on AI because the effort. And she and Jake, her son, were like, no, now's the time.

Tim Pool (98:48)

No way, dude. Look at this. I mean, look, if you want to make a movie, you just do this. That's what you. This is crazy.

Ian Crossland (98:56)

While you're on set, literally while you're not shooting, you could be making another movie.

Tim Pool (98:59)

I'm wondering who made this.

Ian Crossland (99:02)

Yeah, we should shout these guys out.

Tim Pool (99:03)

What were you saying, Carter?

Ian Crossland (99:04)

Oh, I was saying maybe Roseanne meant

Rudyard Lynch (99:06)

that now's the time to make it because there won't be any more time

Tim Pool (99:10)

after this gets so good.

Ian Crossland (99:11)

Could be.

Tim Pool (99:12)

So, like, maybe you should.

Rudyard Lynch (99:13)

If you're going to do it, do

Ian Crossland (99:13)

it now and show the world. Like, hey, human art still good? Yeah. Even though this is great.

Tim Pool (99:18)

Oh, my God, wait, there's a part two. There's actually a bunch of these. Good.

Rudyard Lynch (99:23)

Are.

Tim Pool (99:24)

There's actually one through four.

Ian Crossland (99:26)

Let's walk them. So this is Titty Killer in space. I get it.

Tim Pool (99:30)

I was trying to. I'm trying to figure out who made this, but apparently there's a one through four as well that you can watch

Ian Crossland (99:35)

underground in the sewer system of New York.

Rudyard Lynch (99:37)

Is that hot for you?

Tim Pool (99:38)

You know, movie was great. Chud.

Phil Remains (99:40)

I didn't see anabolistic humanoid underground dwellers.

Tim Pool (99:42)

Correct. That's correct. You know what we need to do? We need a nuclear war. We need one. Yeah. We need a nuclear war to wipe out all of our digital infrastructure so that we're forced to Go back to an era of the 90s where we have Blockbuster Video.

Ian Crossland (99:56)

That sucked though.

Tim Pool (99:57)

No.

Ian Crossland (99:57)

It took so long to do stuff.

Kyla (100:00)

All the best culture came from 90s to like 2010s. All of it.

Tim Pool (100:05)

1994 was the year. 1994 was the phone, was the.

Ian Crossland (100:11)

94 was the bomb. 97 was the.

Tim Pool (100:13)

No, no. 94 is the greatest year of humanity. Everybody agrees.

Kyla (100:18)

Thank you.

Ian Crossland (100:18)

So the Tony's were kicking off. I mean, it was a great year.

Tim Pool (100:20)

All of the albums, you know, from the 90s came out 94 credit for 94

Ian Crossland (100:26)

in January.

Kyla (100:27)

So it was the best.

Ian Crossland (100:31)

Siamese Dream was before that, I believe.

Kyla (100:35)

Gold medal on Big Ben. The coolest horse in the World, 1994.

Ian Crossland (100:38)

What happened?

Kyla (100:40)

Nothing.

Tim Pool (100:40)

Nothing.

Ian Crossland (100:41)

The 90s, they only seem cool in retrospect. It's like that nostalgia, it being there

Kyla (100:45)

was boring as anything from 90s to 2015 just like, was. I don't know, like, bro, gen Zed. Look, they dress better than we ever did, but they don't have any. Like, they don't have goth or punk or emojis.

Tim Pool (100:58)

Camper 94. Bush, 16 stone. 94. The cranberries.

Kyla (101:02)

94 cranberries.

Tim Pool (101:03)

What else do we got? Tori Amos. I'm not. You know, earthquakes was 94. Yeah, we have Neil Young. I mean, that's fine. Soul coughing. 94.

Ian Crossland (101:12)

They were all great.

Tim Pool (101:13)

Dinosaur Junior 94.

Ian Crossland (101:14)

Really go back to 91, 91 and 94.

Tim Pool (101:17)

Let's see.

Ian Crossland (101:17)

YouTube is kicking it.

Tim Pool (101:19)

Smashing Pumpkins, of course. 94. You've got Bad Religion in 94. You've got. What is it? There's a bunch of songs.

Ian Crossland (101:27)

Mr. Big to Nirvana. You know that transition, stunt double Pilot. That was their second album, though.

Tim Pool (101:32)

Broke Assault.

Ian Crossland (101:34)

So the 90s. I'm an avid kid of the 90s.

Tim Pool (101:38)

The Offspring, they suck now, but we'll give them that one.

Kyla (101:40)

Ian, why do you like the 90s so much?

Ian Crossland (101:44)

I'm an information guy. I like to learn. And it took so long to learn anything before the Internet.

Tim Pool (101:48)

It.

Ian Crossland (101:48)

It was awful. You'd go to the.

Kyla (101:50)

You have to read.

Tim Pool (101:51)

You'd have to look up books, if

Ian Crossland (101:52)

you could even find the book, if you didn't even know what you're looking for. So it's like you go to card catalogs at the library. I'm like, I got to be home by 6 o'. Clock.

Phil Remains (102:00)

Music was incredibly, like, good in the 90s.

Ian Crossland (102:03)

I agree with that.

Phil Remains (102:04)

It was extremely good.

Ian Crossland (102:05)

I listened to it two plus hours a day, every day, literally. Radio. I taped songs off the radio. I just laid in bed, all I did was, like, read and listen to music that was my. Or ride bikes or video games.

Tim Pool (102:16)

But you couldn't have Primus nowadays.

Ian Crossland (102:20)

Primus.

Phil Remains (102:21)

Primus is phenomenal.

Tim Pool (102:22)

Oh, wow. Do you know that Pink Floyd had a number one album in 94?

Phil Remains (102:26)

The Wall?

Tim Pool (102:26)

No.

Phil Remains (102:27)

No, that didn't come out.

Tim Pool (102:27)

No, it was the division bell.

Ian Crossland (102:29)

Yeah, Division Bell was pretty good. Tom Petty's Greatest Hits was great. Toto's Greatest Hits, Past the President, the

Tim Pool (102:34)

Lion King was the number one album for, like, three months.

Ian Crossland (102:36)

I mean, you two. Automatic for the people rembreaking, but. So, okay, I agree with that, but

Tim Pool (102:42)

that doesn't make up season of Star for the Next Generation good.

Ian Crossland (102:45)

But you had to wait till, like,

Kyla (102:46)

Thursday at 8pm TV was golden. Like 2000.

Tim Pool (102:49)

It was so much better. It was so much better. We had to wait and we didn't know when. You were like, you'd. You'd pick up the phone and you'd call your friend's house and you'd be like, is. Is Billy home? And she'd be like, I don't know where he is, but guess I'm not gonna see him.

Ian Crossland (103:00)

Because then you just sit around all night.

Tim Pool (103:02)

No, I know.

Ian Crossland (103:02)

You want to try and find.

Tim Pool (103:03)

You'd go to the park.

Ian Crossland (103:05)

No.

Tim Pool (103:07)

And then they were. And you were like. Everybody would hang out in the same places because that's how you found each other.

Rudyard Lynch (103:11)

Look for all the bikes.

Tim Pool (103:12)

Look for all the bikes.

Ian Crossland (103:13)

Yeah, but then you get beat up. If they were the wrong kids, I mean.

Tim Pool (103:15)

Oh, well, yeah. Did you get beat up a lot when you were a kid?

Ian Crossland (103:18)

Not a lot, but enough to learn that humans are vicious animals.

Kyla (103:22)

They still traumatized to this day.

Ian Crossland (103:23)

Yeah.

Phil Remains (103:25)

I'm sorry.

Ian Crossland (103:26)

Hey.

Tim Pool (103:26)

It happened.

Ian Crossland (103:27)

It was because I was too smart. I would always raise my hand in class.

Tim Pool (103:31)

I mean, just. He's so smart on the show. Sometimes we all just want to.

Ian Crossland (103:34)

I didn't realize that they were getting annoyed.

Tim Pool (103:35)

Rudyard's been just wincing and just growling.

Ian Crossland (103:38)

I'd raise my hand. Obvious, easy answer. They're just repeating. Repeat what we already told you I'd answer.

Tim Pool (103:42)

Okay.

Ian Crossland (103:43)

Next question. They ask no one. I'd raise my hand again. And they just look over me at the room like, anyone? Anyone? Okay, Ian. I'd answer again. Third time, they do it again. No one answer. I do it again. Eventually the kids turned on me, like they thought I was trying to be too good or something.

Tim Pool (103:55)

You should have told them that you were just better than they are.

Ian Crossland (103:57)

I didn't know that at the Time, though.

Tim Pool (103:59)

All right, we're gonna go to your Rumble Rants and super chats. Smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met in your life, including your neighbor and their dog. You can follow me on Instagram at Timcast. Of course, that uncensored show be coming up@rumble.com Timcast IRL. But let's see what you guys have to say. Pinochet says rule of law. Lol. There is no incentive to follow laws anymore. Not to mention the laws and systems politicians skirt and ignore. There will never be justice in this country again. Not just Pinochet, not never again. Well, his name is actually Pinochet's Helicopter Tours.

Rudyard Lynch (104:29)

Of course he'd say that. He's Pinochet.

Tim Pool (104:32)

Justice will come again, but only with moral homogeneity. And I think every society goes through this where you have a moral homogeneity and then it ebbs and flows and then there's a clash. This is the. Weren't you saying, Rudyard, that like life is, is. Is built upon opposition?

Rudyard Lynch (104:51)

It is, yeah. The duality of.

Tim Pool (104:54)

There must be opposition to our worldview for it to be challenged and evolve?

Rudyard Lynch (104:58)

Yeah, that's true.

Tim Pool (104:59)

Otherwise we just sit around like dodo birds, you know, just be all fat.

Ian Crossland (105:02)

What's the best way to bring about homogeneous?

Tim Pool (105:06)

So that's what the liberal action is economic order wants. They want global homo homogeny. They want global homosexuality? No, they want global homogenization.

Rudyard Lynch (105:20)

If you want homogeneity, you can either have everyone mate together or you can segment into smaller populations.

Tim Pool (105:28)

Well, they're trying that first one.

Rudyard Lynch (105:29)

Yeah. And I don't want a purely homogenous country because you look at, you look at Scandinavia, Iceland.

Tim Pool (105:39)

They're all cousins.

Rudyard Lynch (105:40)

Yeah, that's true. But also they're hyper conformist societies. And in a place as big as in America, we're not all gonna be homogenous. The question is what groups are fighting each other.

Tim Pool (105:50)

Yeah, but they're happy to be conformist.

Rudyard Lynch (105:52)

I don't think they are. They have a super high suicide rate.

Tim Pool (105:55)

Well, that's because of the weather though.

Kyla (105:56)

They're also all liberals and love the gays. So you guys might not like that society, that world order.

Tim Pool (106:01)

I got no issue with the gays. Just, you know, do your thing somewhere else. You know what I mean?

Ian Crossland (106:03)

It's like, let me black out.

Kyla (106:06)

Might be willing to trans the kids.

Tim Pool (106:07)

No, the only issue I have with the trans is the kids, you know? No kids. Okay.

Kyla (106:10)

They're a very liberal progressive.

Tim Pool (106:12)

Liberals are the right word for that though, you know what I mean? Which, like it's not liberal to cut off a kid's, you know, hoohoo.

Kyla (106:18)

No, I would say that's progressive.

Tim Pool (106:20)

Yeah, yeah, so you said they were liberal. And I'm like, well, you know.

Kyla (106:23)

Well, I value liberalism more than progressivism. I have sensitivities to certain progressive values.

Tim Pool (106:27)

But I don't even understand how like the trans stuff is progressivism. Is it like.

Kyla (106:31)

Progressivism is like, it's like a really loose label for essentially like pushing dominantly for areas where the like, highest, the like high levels of minorities have been like disproportionately disaffected basically.

Tim Pool (106:44)

I don't know. I like the progressives of the early 1900s were eugenic. Eugenicists. Is that the right word? They were, they were into eugenics.

Kyla (106:50)

I don't know if I would agree that the progressives were. I would say that was more main.

Tim Pool (106:53)

That was like the principal Progressives.

Kyla (106:54)

No, not the progressives. That was the mainstream. That was the mainstream.

Tim Pool (106:57)

No, those are the progressives.

Kyla (106:58)

Eugenics was mainstream. Mainstream more than it was progressive.

Rudyard Lynch (107:00)

There's. Eugenics was not a mainstream opinion. It was an opinion pushed by small elites. But the term progressive, it's had a wildly different meaning from a century ago than today. It used to be Woodrow Wilson was, was a progressive.

Tim Pool (107:13)

Where this is a fact, by the way.

Rudyard Lynch (107:14)

Yeah, Thomas Sowell talks about it. Woodrow Wilson was super racist. He was also pro centralized state and pro eugenics. And what happened is the Marxists took over over time. And with FDR you saw a shifting of the term progressive and the term liberal got co opted by leftists under FDR as well.

Kyla (107:33)

Sure. It's just, it's just like such a, such a boring, uninteresting talking point. It's like we're, we're people of the past into bad things. Sometimes I find the entire left platform

Rudyard Lynch (107:43)

boring because it's inaccurate.

Kyla (107:45)

Oh, good one Roll. I got him with that one. Right?

Rudyard Lynch (107:47)

Yeah, I did.

Ian Crossland (107:48)

Changing of definitions.

Kyla (107:49)

Autism bullying at its finest. Right. So like when we. Well, if you want to engage with the actual ideas here. Right. Like, okay, yeah, eugenics was popular. So was like phrenology. Right. And these fell out of favor. Although a certain level of soft eugenics has almost been held universally even to this date. Right. We just don't want to call it eugenics. Right. Like most people are okay, for example, with like making sure that we try to reduce over time rare diseases that cause immense suffering. Right. Like people are broadly okay with these ideas and so obviously I'm not a supporter of eugenics, but I think like saying like it was just a left idea. It's like, okay, that I could just say conservatives just always really love slavery and just love slavery. It's just like it's a, it's an unsophisticated, uninteresting way in way to engage with the ideas because it requires typifying an entire like half of political thought that has a massive amount of history that's unsatisfying. It would be the same as if I did that to the conservative side, which I typically aim not to do.

Rudyard Lynch (108:40)

You, you would say a different thing in a different context.

Tim Pool (108:43)

In a different context you don't know anything about.

Rudyard Lynch (108:45)

So in a different context, where you're talking about what traits do you want to further inside the population? Because you accept these principles and I'm not a big eugenics guy, I don't support it. I believe in a mating free market, but. So you're willing to accept the principles that are bad, like horrible illnesses. But what principles are positive? What are the positive genetic traits you'd select for?

Kyla (109:09)

There aren't positive genetic traits that I would like for.

Rudyard Lynch (109:12)

There are traits that make people more successful. There are traits that make you more intelligent.

Kyla (109:15)

Yeah, but I don't want any level of state level pressure to be selecting for that. I think that would be bad.

Rudyard Lynch (109:19)

You're willing to talk about it at the extremes, but you don't have a logically consistent code for what you're going to say.

Kyla (109:25)

Have you, have you ever heard of the word pluralism?

Rudyard Lynch (109:28)

But what does pluralism mean?

Kyla (109:29)

Pluralism means that you have irreducible moral values that often end up competing against one another. This is what most democracies are built on. For example, you've got like Hobbes and Locke that are talking about privacy versus freedom. Right. Privacy, privacy matters and freedom matters. And the actual answer is in different circumstances you might have to prioritize security, such as at the border, whereas we might prioritize freedom, such as people can't just come into your house without a warrant and take things or arrest you. Right. So we like have these trade offs all the time. This is what pluralism is. It's a very accepted standard thing.

Rudyard Lynch (109:56)

What's the line between that and just making things up based off context for what sounds good?

Kyla (110:01)

Well, typically you would utilize philosophy to build a rational reason as to why certain values might matter more here. This is what, like, what do you mean? Do you think Hobbes and Locke just didn't really engage in philosophy. They're just some silly billy guys who just like had preferences.

Rudyard Lynch (110:14)

Hobbes and Locke would be radically right wing by the current context.

Kyla (110:17)

That's not what I asked you. I'll ask you again. Do you think Hobbes and Lockes were silly little guys that just couldn't draw a through line?

Rudyard Lynch (110:22)

I'm asking your moral philosophy.

Kyla (110:23)

I asked you about Hobbes and Locke. Can you not answer it? Were they silly little guys? It's a comparison. I'm making an analogy of your logic.

Rudyard Lynch (110:29)

Hobbes was operating under a radical monarchist perspective and Locke was operating under a liberal perspective. They both ground themselves in the Greco Roman and the Western and the Abrahamic tradition.

Kyla (110:43)

Sure.

Rudyard Lynch (110:43)

That's not the modern left. The modern left is not operating on a similar level of rationality as those things.

Kyla (110:49)

Of course they are. Most of the modern left is broadly built of like Rawls and utilitarianism.

Rudyard Lynch (110:53)

No, they're not.

Kyla (110:54)

That's not true. And here's the issue, right? I can engage with conservatives and actually take their concept seriously. I think some of the things that you said have been insightful and interesting and should be engaged with and I've disagreed with some things. The problem is that what you're doing instead is. I think I even heard you before saying I don't even talk to anybody on the left anymore. Plugging your ears and not engaging with opposition that actually has substantive ideas, especially if such a large population amount finds some of these ideas valuable is just. It's just intellectual naivety and baby behavior.

Ian Crossland (111:24)

We got a grammar.

Kyla (111:25)

I can engage with you in the way that you should engage with me and what I'm actually saying. Answer my question. Is Hobbes and Locke silly? Because they were engaging in a pluralistic question of what is the tension between these two irreducible values that they are.

Rudyard Lynch (111:37)

So the reason I reached that conclusion is because I've spent hundreds of hours or thousands of hours talking to leftists and I've read thousands of pages in the history of the left.

Kyla (111:45)

But you don't know me.

Rudyard Lynch (111:46)

And I came to the conclusion. I've seen your argument so far and I came to the conclusion.

Kyla (111:50)

Strawberry in half of my argument.

Rudyard Lynch (111:51)

And I came to the conclusion conclusion that the left is not rationally consistent and they're not morally consistent and so agree you're not going to.

Kyla (111:59)

The right is anti war, but they love Trump. They're Christian values, but they have the right. Sure, I can do this to the right too. That's my point is that it's a straw man. Sure, I believe you. I believe you that you have talked to a bunch of.

Tim Pool (112:13)

The right is a coalition of disaffected liberals, libertarians, and conservatives.

Kyla (112:17)

The left is a coalition of progressives and liberals. The left is a pro because the

Tim Pool (112:21)

left is not consistent moderates who are rational.

Kyla (112:24)

Is the right because the right has to have a big tent.

Tim Pool (112:26)

No, no, you're talking about specific conservatives. I am saying there is a. When you refer to the right, you're talking about a coalition in modern times which includes disaffected liberals, moderates, and libertarians.

Kyla (112:36)

True.

Tim Pool (112:36)

They left the left because the left was morally and logically inconsistent.

Kyla (112:40)

I'll give you tons of reasons. Probably the number one reason why they left the left wasn't just logic, inconsistency. It was abhorrent left behavior and censorship. Right.

Tim Pool (112:50)

The way I would argue a lot of weird beliefs. Like in. Like, what is a woman?

Kyla (112:57)

It's a. It's a. It's a performance. I've already answered this question before.

Tim Pool (113:01)

This is exactly the point.

Kyla (113:02)

No, this is the word game.

Tim Pool (113:03)

We know what a woman is.

Kyla (113:04)

What's a chair? What's a chair?

Tim Pool (113:06)

A chair is an object with four legs used for a human being to sit on.

Kyla (113:09)

Is a stool with three legs, not a chair?

Tim Pool (113:11)

It is a chair, indeed.

Kyla (113:12)

Oh, okay. But it didn't match your definition.

Tim Pool (113:14)

Well, because a stool is a subset of a. Of an.

Kyla (113:17)

Yeah, we're doing the category.

Tim Pool (113:19)

So you're doing a performance that no one believes is real.

Kyla (113:22)

I'm the only one just willing to engage in the actual philosophy of the question here. Right. Rather than just doing some, like, silly conspiracy.

Tim Pool (113:28)

No, no, no, no.

Rudyard Lynch (113:29)

I'm willing.

Ian Crossland (113:29)

I just don't want to interrupt.

Tim Pool (113:30)

No, no.

Kyla (113:31)

Ian's always willing. Right.

Tim Pool (113:32)

Human beings use words to convey ideas. Sometimes we have a mismatch in the definition of. Of words between cultures. Everybody understands what is meant when someone says what is.

Kyla (113:41)

That's why I say the performance. If you said to me, what do you mean when you say a performance? I say, by and large, when we say a woman, we mostly mean a person that has tits, that looks like a woman, that typically dresses like a woman and acts like a woman. Right. According to our society, yes, it is.

Tim Pool (113:54)

No.

Kyla (113:54)

Absolutely no. Yes. Because you didn't check my genitalia. You didn't check my genitalia.

Tim Pool (113:59)

Left definition.

Kyla (113:59)

You looked at my breasts. You look at the way that I'm femme, presenting that I have long hair and that I talk femininely. And I've talked about tampons. Or whatever else I've talked about.

Tim Pool (114:08)

I appreciate that, but come on.

Kyla (114:11)

I agree. That night. This is the issue.

Tim Pool (114:13)

No one uses the word to mean performance and you know it. And you are lying to say otherwise.

Kyla (114:18)

I'm not because you are. I'm not. Because the gender movement just absolutely said, actually, let's separate woman from female. A female is a biological only people

Tim Pool (114:26)

who make the argument that the word woman means performance are progressive horror. 40, 40 individuals who pretend like they're smarter than other people.

Kyla (114:32)

This is the way language has always worked, right? Yes, it absolutely is. Language and definitions have absolutely shifted in utilization. And what we mean that to use all the time. This is why depression and depression.

Tim Pool (114:47)

The moderates leave. Because you are logically inconsistent.

Kyla (114:49)

Well, it does. It does something that's really interesting, which is that it creates basically a very simple thing. It causes a major question. It makes somebody look silly if they don't have an immediately satisfying answer. But what it also is doing is it's employing a categorical error and. And utilizing that to say, see how simple this is? And I would agree, yeah, 99% of

Tim Pool (115:07)

the time we get it, sure.

Kyla (115:09)

But the issue is that again, we have these fringe instances where it doesn't fall into it, which is why we utilize other language.

Tim Pool (115:16)

Argue that two plus two equal five. Two plus two equals five.

Kyla (115:19)

I would. I would say I disagree, but disagree.

Tim Pool (115:21)

The mainstream left did, and they also could not define woman, despite the fact that everyone on the planet can. And then moderates were like, these people are nuts.

Rudyard Lynch (115:30)

The core assumption of the left is sort of. The core assumption of the left is social constructionism, that you can use social categories to create reality and that the people in power through using social categories can fundamentally alter reality. My core assumptions of reality. If you want to look at Aristotle or Plato, Aristotle said that material things exist and that material things are reflections of higher things, but you should assess the material things first. Plato thought that the world we live in.

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Rudyard Lynch (116:59)

It's a reflection of higher divine forms. Western civilization has used these two different theories based on context to assess for different layers of reality. And so the west has alternated between these two core theories, and these were the acceptable ones for how to structure reality.

Ian Crossland (117:17)

We got to grab.

Tim Pool (117:18)

We got to grab checks.

Kyla (117:18)

What's money.

Tim Pool (117:19)

We got to grab.

Kyla (117:20)

What's money?

Tim Pool (117:21)

Money is. Is typically a universal trade medium that represents debt for exchange between individuals for something of value.

Kyla (117:26)

Can we shift and change what money actually means? And have we?

Tim Pool (117:29)

What do you mean?

Kyla (117:29)

Well, in the past, for example, we utilize like loan sticks and then we shifted to gold, for example.

Rudyard Lynch (117:34)

Inflation.

Tim Pool (117:35)

And money is always just.

Kyla (117:36)

Inflation is not the answer.

Tim Pool (117:37)

Universal intermediary of value exchange.

Kyla (117:39)

Sorry.

Tim Pool (117:40)

And money has always been the intermediary for value exchange. Sure.

Kyla (117:44)

But the. The way that we've observed and viewed money, the way that we've engaged with money, modern monetary theory, that technology exists

Tim Pool (117:51)

does not change the fact that a woman is an adult human.

Kyla (117:53)

Well, the issue is that when technology exists, we discover that a lot of fundamental axioms that we held about the world are more complex and fractured. Well, then we.

Tim Pool (118:00)

I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna say this again. You do recognize that like 95% of people on the planet disagree with what you're saying?

Kyla (118:06)

Absolutely. But the issue is.

Tim Pool (118:07)

Hold on, hold on.

Kyla (118:08)

At a Quantum level, for example, 99 of the population would disagree. If I say if I'm not looking at the moon, if nobody observes it, does it exist? Everyone would say, yeah, of course it exists. But at a quantum. Well, at a quantum level. No, it doesn't.

Tim Pool (118:22)

Not really.

Kyla (118:23)

Yes, it is true.

Tim Pool (118:25)

By a baby at one year.

Kyla (118:26)

This is. This is like the major quantum conversation that happened between Einstein and what's the fundamentally misunderstand.

Tim Pool (118:33)

The double slit experiment. Can we read more? Super.

Kyla (118:35)

This is not about the double slit experiment at all.

Ian Crossland (118:37)

I don't even know why you're duality. They both exist.

Kyla (118:39)

Uncertainty. It is about Particle wave duality.

Tim Pool (118:41)

Yes. Okay.

Ian Crossland (118:42)

And we'll change the definition of the

Tim Pool (118:44)

term curve and all that stuff we get. All right, let's see what we got here. Timothy Robinson says, always good to see you, Rudyard. Rudyard. Hist 102s Age of the Last Men was insightful. Could I impose on you for a book suggestion of Cold War history?

Rudyard Lynch (118:59)

The best Cold War history is John Lewis Gaddis is one.

Ian Crossland (119:03)

He's.

Rudyard Lynch (119:03)

I'm trying to think of any other ones. Dan Carlin's got a great podcast, too, right?

Tim Pool (119:08)

Listen to that. Cody. Cody Allen says, what's your favorite Death Cab song, Tim? Tremendous question. I like the earlier albums. President of what is one of my favorites. I used to play it all the time on the guitar. TV Trace is pretty good. And then I would just say, like, the thing about all their albums is every single song was good. Title Registration has always been a big favorite of mine. I could play that one. And then, of course, Transatlanticism. Tiny Vessels. So good. And We Looked Like Giants. We Looked Like Giants may actually be one of my favorite. Be my favorite. It's. It's a tough call. What about, you know, I like Transatlanticism Or. Or the New Year. Actually, the New Year. Because when I was in, like, when that song came out, all of the hipster indie kids, like, we'd have a party on New Year's and everybody would play the New Year as soon as the New Year hit, because we were so cool. But then also give a shout to Postal Service, because that was good, too.

Kyla (120:08)

Who.

Ian Crossland (120:08)

I will follow you into the dark.

Tim Pool (120:09)

Is that Death Cabin? Yes.

Ian Crossland (120:11)

I love that song.

Tim Pool (120:16)

It's gonna be a hipster man someday. You will die.

Ian Crossland (120:19)

That song's so good. Don't get us.

Tim Pool (120:21)

Yeah, I'll be right behind. But. But to be fair, like, Soulmate's Body's okay. Crooked Teeth. I really do. Like Body is awesome. I. I really just love, like, President of what I just. Ben Gibbard is a master lyricist. He knows how to do it. I haven't listened to Death Gap in a long time, though. They had new song come out the other day. Oh, I'll go for them. All right. Let's go, Miner Zircon says this chick is a communist. I thought we figured that out yesterday when she wanted the government to steal people's property.

Kyla (120:44)

That never happened again. You can. You can straw man me for as long as you want. The issue is that I, in large part, come to Tim's show because I want to engage genuinely with people of opposing ideas. If you can't do the same to me. That's fine. But that's a reflection of you.

Tim Pool (120:58)

No, no, actually we all agree with you, but before you got here, we all talked to each other and said, let's just pretend like we don't.

Kyla (121:03)

That's. They actually also make her like, we voted for Kamala. I'm not even gonna lie. We voted for Kamala.

Tim Pool (121:07)

Only when liberals show, we change the format of the show. Would you think it's right wing?

Kyla (121:11)

Huh?

Phil Remains (121:12)

Would you have voted for Kamala?

Kyla (121:13)

Yeah, probably.

Ian Crossland (121:14)

Yeah, because they selected her.

Kyla (121:16)

Not even probably. Absolutely, unequivocally, unquestioned.

Ian Crossland (121:18)

The problem was they didn't have a primary and it was like Imperial selection. That's like, I don't want to vote for Imperial.

Kyla (121:23)

Sure, sure. But it's better than somebody who tried to over.

Tim Pool (121:26)

I gotta read this. I hate Mark says drug test your guests, Tim. Okay. Mitho says commie mommy. Just to let you know, corporations are considered individuals under American law. If you let another country screw over our business interests, you are letting them screw over the majority.

Kyla (121:43)

So that's a good thing. Actually, the law did it, so that's a good thing.

Tim Pool (121:47)

I thought it was funny that he called you Commie mommy.

Kyla (121:49)

I. Yeah, all of them are going to call me. I'm not a communist. In fact, I spend a large portion of my content pushing PIMs.

Tim Pool (121:55)

The great says I live in rural Virginia. If a pregnant cow, a heifer, crosses onto my land, neither the cow or calf become mine and I could be killed if I try to say they are and birthright citizenship.

Rudyard Lynch (122:08)

I want to take the cow.

Tim Pool (122:10)

Mytho says, Jesus is the third temple. His return is the fulfillment of the prophecies he said before his death. Tear this temple down and I will rebuild it in three days. He came back to life in three days. Interesting. All right, let's. Let's see. We got going over here on this YouTuber. We got a bunch of big, big, big super chats here on this. Thank you guys.

Kyla (122:32)

Big ones big.

Tim Pool (122:34)

Some say too big, but it's okay. The biggest, the best madcap vlog says. I got a question for Rudyard. Have you looked into astrology and the 84 year Uranus cycle? The last Neptune was in Aries. The last Neptune was in Aries was the Civil war. The last time Pluto was in Aquarius was the American Revolution. Is it real?

Rudyard Lynch (122:53)

So I have not studied astrology. I have not put significant effort into it. I heard there were studies by the CIA studying it that thought that I heard the CIA did research that there are correlation in political events in astrology. But I haven't looked deeply into that.

Ian Crossland (123:07)

We were talking about Newton and how

Tim Pool (123:09)

he was into alchemy, Newton was into

Rudyard Lynch (123:11)

alchemy and these things were all part of the same coherent pre modern worldview. But I have not sunk a lot of time into astrology personally.

Ian Crossland (123:20)

I feel like the planets if it is a magnetic universe which evidence is pointing at that they're reflecting, they're like lenses, radiation lenses. So that the radiation passes through planetary bodies and it can super accelerate and leave imprints on your body when it's. When it comes out of the mom's EMF frequency body you're exposed to the radiation and it imprints something on you. Might have something to do with their stars and planets.

Rudyard Lynch (123:41)

Are people generally believe that the planets informed develop informed stuff over history. What I would best guess is it's a correlation thing that the planets operate under certain underlying correlations we're not aware of. And these correlations operate across the universe because lots like you know, the suicide rate is correlated with the yo yo purchasing rate and no one thinks that buying yo yos causes suicide.

Phil Remains (124:07)

I do now.

Tim Pool (124:08)

Have you ever seen the website Spurious Correlations? Yeah, I have. It's great, right?

Phil Remains (124:13)

Spurious correlations.

Tim Pool (124:15)

The site's been around forever. It's so good. Here we go. Google searches. Let's see the. The number of movies Dwayne Johnson appeared in correlates with Google searches for zombies. Popularity of the first name Caroline inversely correlates with Newmont's stock price. Interesting. Google searches for zombies correlates with the number of real estate agents in North Dakota. Interesting. The distance between Neptune and Mercury correlates with petroleum Petroleum consumption in Azerbaijan. That proves it something.

Rudyard Lynch (124:49)

And It's.

Phil Remains (124:50)

It's from 92 to 2017 to.

Tim Pool (124:53)

Right, right, right.

Kyla (124:53)

All these different timelines. Interesting. I wonder why they can't hold to a consistent timeline for their claim.

Tim Pool (124:58)

The popularity of the press f to pay respects meme correlates with Boeing's stock price. Naturally.

Kyla (125:05)

I wonder what happened before 2006.

Ian Crossland (125:07)

Probably the same thing.

Kyla (125:08)

Or before 2011 or before 2004. 1999. Interesting.

Ian Crossland (125:12)

Obviously exactly what you can do when

Kyla (125:13)

you just take a little snapshot of them.

Tim Pool (125:15)

Yeah, I love the number of breweries in the US Correlates with Amazon stock price. That is not a spurious correlation. That is not at all a spurious correlation because.

Ian Crossland (125:23)

Because they bought Whole Foods and they put breweries in the Whole Foods.

Kyla (125:25)

No, Amazon stocks themselves are sentient and they Buy beer?

Tim Pool (125:29)

No, because Amazon's growth correlates directly with the shuttering of box stores and local businesses, which creates open vacant buildings by which people try to fill them with a service that Amazon does not provide. So your local butcher gets shut down, your local packaging store gets shut down. Whatever Amazon.com can replace. There are now empty buildings in your city center. And what can't Amazon make? A brewery to hang out, play games and drink. So this actually makes sense.

Phil Remains (125:57)

Interesting.

Tim Pool (125:57)

They do.

Ian Crossland (125:58)

They do have cell beer. Like in the Whole Foods in Venice, California on Rose and 7th. We would go hang out at the. At the bar in the Whole Foods.

Tim Pool (126:06)

Let's grab this one from the Apostle. James says, I'm a combat veteran. 22 years in the USMC infantry, six combat deployments. I can tell that Kyla has never experienced real adversity, let alone seconds to assess potential life and death danger.

Kyla (126:19)

Okay, just to front load this from the hop. No, I was serially sexually abused from zero to three. I'm sorry. I worked for. It's fine. It's nobody's fault. One of the worst things that I think that we do on all of these types of political conversations is we engage in thought termination, right? We use cliches that will make our audiences happy, like being like, what is your woman? It's like, okay, I can just scream, Trump's a pedophile, and my audiences will be happy too. I think one of the worst things that we also do is we assume a lot about each other. Right? You've assumed, for example, that there's no substance that you can engage with me on, which is unfortunate because I haven't assumed that about you. Despite the fact that, like, I haven't been overly impressed by your show.

Tim Pool (126:55)

You've never been in a life and death situation, right?

Kyla (126:57)

Yes, I have. I've had children chase me with axes. I worked for high risk youth. I spent most of my career in jails working with like both young sex offenders and their victims, but they're getting chased by dudes. I'm not a combat. I'm not a combat veteran. And I would never, ever begin to take that away from the shooter or steal that valor.

Tim Pool (127:14)

But have you ever been shot at?

Kyla (127:16)

People pretending, no, I haven't. But I'm Canadian. We don't have guns. That's crazy, right? Well, we have the next best thing, which is children with axes. Close, actually, very close. And I've shotguns.

Tim Pool (127:26)

Someone said after our hockey team beat the Canadians, they have to give each. Each person in America 40 acres in a moose.

Kyla (127:33)

Yeah, but you get only, only the Northern Territory, so nobody cares.

Ian Crossland (127:36)

In rug, your defense, he did ask you what your philosophy when you guys were going at it, he asked you what your philosophy was, but it kind of got ignored.

Kyla (127:42)

Sure. The reason why I'm saying that he's not engaging with me is he just keeps insisting you're morally inconsistent. Inconsistent. And it's like I'm a pluralist being pluralistic, necessary, like it doesn't mean that I'm not. I can't be inconsistent. But you can just ask me how do you draw the through line of your foreign policy? And I'll give it to you. But instead you assume things about my foreign policy.

Tim Pool (128:00)

I think the point you understand is

Rudyard Lynch (128:01)

that like I'm gonna say this. So the reason I say this is that I've spent a very significant amount of time studying the philosophy of the left. And the left uses various rhetorical games. And when I hear hear them, I just throw them out because the rhetoric you. You've used many. So when I hear the rhetorical games, I hear the mental filtering process they're used for.

Kyla (128:20)

But what is a woman isn't a rhetorical game.

Tim Pool (128:22)

What are we talking about here?

Rudyard Lynch (128:23)

So I'm not done.

Tim Pool (128:24)

So.

Kyla (128:24)

Okay, I'll ask you afterwards.

Rudyard Lynch (128:26)

When you look at what the. How the left operates, they have a series of mental games they use and they have a series of filtering mechanisms.

Tim Pool (128:34)

Why don't we start off the uncensored show with this? So just keep that. Okay? Sure. To jump over the uncensored portion, also call Mommy based. I'm taking it rumble.com, rumble.com Timcast, IRL in about 30 seconds and then we'll add swear words to the arguments. You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim Cast. Roger, you want to shout anything out,

Rudyard Lynch (128:51)

you could watch my shows. I'm just here, man.

Ian Crossland (128:55)

Just float through the universe, man.

Rudyard Lynch (128:57)

So I should start now?

Tim Pool (128:58)

No, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to shout over. So Kylo, what's up?

Kyla (129:01)

Yeah, hey, not so erudite. If you actually want to encourage, engage in substance, that's kind of the thing that I do. I don't care what you think me a look. I care how you.

Phil Remains (129:09)

Oh, no.

Ian Crossland (129:10)

Yes. It's not about what. It's about how we are bridging the gap, literally. The future is reliant on people continuing to communicate in high stress situations like this. So keep it going.

Kyla (129:20)

Ian's a dogged subscriber. You can't trust anything he says.

Ian Crossland (129:24)

All I want is to preserve righteousness throughout. But we got to define all those terms.

Tim Pool (129:28)

I'm at Ian Crossland.

Ian Crossland (129:29)

Follow me there. Carter Bank. Man, that's been a really great discussion. Thank you both for coming out and I'm really excited for the after show. You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere.

Phil Remains (129:37)

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