IT WAS DERAILED w/ Rick Jordan

Summary

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Timcast IRL – "IT WAS DERAILED" w/ Rick Jordan

Date: February 27, 2026
Guest: Rick Jordan
Host & Panel: Phil (All That Remains), Brett Dasovic, Carter Banks, Ben

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Episode Overview

This episode of Timcast IRL is packed with fast-paced, candid conversations about the latest headlines—ranging from political drama surrounding Hillary Clinton’s testimony and the ongoing fallout of the Epstein files, to intensifying global conflicts, executive power over elections, and the real implications of accelerating AI adoption in society. Tech entrepreneur and security pro Rick Jordan joins the panel for sharp analysis and a dose of humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hillary Clinton’s Closed-Door Epstein Testimony & The Boebert Photo Leak

[05:00 – 17:12]

• Overview: Clinton testified in a closed-door session about her knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein. The session was disrupted after Rep. Lauren Boebert leaked a photo to commentator Benny Johnson, violating House rules.
• Panel’s Reaction:
  • News or ‘Photo Op’?: Some saw it as “red meat” for the GOP, more spectacle than substance.

    “Do you guys think it’s a good idea to take pictures in a closed session of Congress?” – Phil (05:53)

  • On Clinton’s Involvement:

    “It’s possible she didn’t really know him that well … with Bill, that’s a different story.” – Phil (11:18)
    “She was the poster child for the military industrial complex… They just want to see Hillary Clinton pay, and it’s like, bro, she’s such a pawn in this whole world power thing.” – Carter Banks (10:37)

  • Performative Politics: Panel muses on consequences for Boebert, noting closed-door hearings are often politicized.
  • Conspiracies & “Body Doubles”: Joked speculation about authenticity and public proof.

2. Epstein Fallout: The Dominoes Keep Falling, Just Not in the US

[18:01 – 35:27]

• World Economic Forum CEO Resigns:
  • WEF’s Brende steps down after ties to Epstein are revealed.
  • Rick Jordan: This is about protecting organizations, not the public:

    “All of this news about Epstein and everybody stepping down is really about protecting the organizations… not about doing what’s right for society.” (35:10)

  • Others discussed Casey Wasserman’s resignation over connections to Ghislaine Maxwell.
• Panel Frustrations:
  • Hypocrisy & Unequal Enforcement:

    “It is important that we don’t demonize people for having connections to someone that’s a vile creature.” – Carter Banks (30:42)

  • US institutions seem immune to the resignation wave Europe’s experiencing—“team nothing ever changes” is a running theme (24:16).
  • Bigger Problem Ignored: Panel highlights more kids have suffered from cartel trafficking at the US border than through Epstein’s ring, yet national outrage is missing (32:49 onwards).

3. Pakistan & Afghanistan Enter “Open War”

[36:07 – 50:28]

• Border Clashes Escalate:
  • Pakistan declares open war after deadly border skirmishes, raising nuclear tensions.
  • Phil & Rick Jordan breakdown:
    • Pakistan has nuclear arms but—

      “I don't think that there’s a city in Afghanistan worth using a nuclear weapon on.” – Phil (37:42)

  • US supplied hardware from the Afghanistan pullout is now fueling the fight; discussion of regional geopolitics, military balance.

4. US-Iran Nuclear Talks Breakdown and War Clouds Loom

[50:28 – 66:16]

• Stalemate & Military Posturing:
  • US and Iran end talks without a deal; possible military strikes discussed.
  • Historical Parallels: Chamberlain’s appeasement of Hitler referenced—“cannot appease a belligerent dictator” (54:42).
  • Will Iranian people “rise up” if the regime is struck? Panel skeptical:

    “Not if they’re getting bombed.” – Carter Banks (56:42)

  • US Public Sentiment & War Fatigue: Americans support airstrikes as long as there are no US casualties; panel expects this to persist, but sees a generational shift toward global awareness (59:58).
  • War Profiteering & History Cycles: Rick Jordan connects conflict to economic cycles, referencing WWII and the Great Depression (62:31).

5. Trump Executive Order on Elections: Voter ID & Mail Ballots

[69:22 – 79:56]

• Draft Executive Order Circulating:
  • Trump team eyes sweeping executive order for voter ID and mail ballot ban, using foreign interference as pretext.
  • Panel’s Concerns:
    • Legal overreach, inevitable legal challenges, and the cycle of executive orders undermining congressional authority.

    “Nothing gets done anymore without executive orders… and that sucks.” – Brett Dasovic (71:41)

    • It gives ammunition to Democratic election narratives.

    “It’s feeding into the narrative that the left has been making, that Trump’s not going to leave office in 2028, he’s going to be a dictator, etc.” – Phil (72:53)

  • Dictatorship as a Temporary Fix:

    “Dictator does not mean evil. Dictator could be a good guy… Abraham Lincoln became a dictator for a moment.” – Carter Banks (75:13)

6. AI Disruption: From Robot Boyfriends to Lethal Autonomy Risks

[81:41 – 111:03]

• China’s AI Romance Boom:
  • Women are forming relationships with chatbots, complicating China’s efforts to reverse population decline.

    “Apparently the women in China are the ones that are after the goon bots… it seems like the women are the ones that are doing that.” – Phil (81:32)

• Panel’s Take:
  • Tech is outpacing policy and culture; “robot companions” (and their consequences) are inevitable.

    “Technology will make it easier to get satisfied in your emotional life. Just because you have a car doesn’t mean you stop exercising” – Carter Banks (82:47)

  • AI as emotional support, human relationships under threat, and the future of androids in society.
  • AI Agency, Safety, and Autonomous Warfare:
    • Panel discusses memory files and LLMs that sometimes act beyond their programming; likens it to “dreams”—highly complex, poorly understood by their own creators.

    “People don’t know why [AIs] make the decisions. Things they’re not programmed to do, they do.” – Phil (107:45)

    • Concerns about military seeking “unfettered” AI for rapid response in nukes and autonomous weapons.

    “If AI can actually act faster to save lives, would you want that or not?” – Rick Jordan (106:16)

• Quotes on AI’s Unpredictability:

  “Once you get to a certain level, it just starts being able to reason.” – Phil (95:03) “Shouldn’t that terrify somebody?” – Brett Dasovic (95:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On performative rule-breaking in Congress:

  “It’d be like, everything’s legal for a fee.” – Brett Dasovic (06:17)

• On AI replacing technicians:

  “We’re going to get to the point to where it can fully replace technicians.” – Rick Jordan (88:31)

• On American war attitude:

  “If the US goes and bombs a country and we don’t lose any planes and no Americans come home in caskets… we’ll actually cheer it on because Americans didn’t die.” – Phil (58:26)

• On future AI autonomy and the unpredictability:

  “There are so many times that the AIs have made decisions and the people that program them don’t know why, and they’re not programmed to do that.” – Phil (107:17)

• On why progress often means executive power:

  “Congress has an incentive to not actually do anything, right? Anything that they have to vote on—they want to give it to the president.” – Phil (77:29)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [05:00] Hillary Clinton photo leak, closed-door drama
• [11:18] Did Hillary really know Epstein?
• [18:13] WEF CEO quits over Epstein ties; topic expands to global resignations
• [24:16] “Team nothing ever changes” – US vs. Europe on scandal fallout
• [36:07] Pakistan “open war” announcement
• [50:28] Iran nuclear talks fail – war scenario discussed
• [59:58] Generational change in attitude toward US military action
• [69:22] Trump’s draft executive order using “national emergency” powers on elections
• [75:13] Is dictatorship ever good? (dictatorship as a temporary fix)
• [81:41] Women in China fall for AI boyfriends—societal implications
• [88:31] AI agency and the march toward androids/replicants
• [103:21] Danger of autonomous military AI decisions
• [106:16] AI making life-saving decisions vs. risk
• [111:03] Wider philosophical/ethical discussion on AI

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Tone & Style

• Unfiltered, skeptical, often darkly humorous.
• Pop culture and history references abound—“Twister,” “Star Trek,” “Terminator,” “Blade Runner,” Orwell’s “1984.”
• Panel frequently shifts from headline analysis to high-level philosophical concerns about technology, autonomy, and transparency in government.

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Conclusion

If you missed this episode, you missed a wild ride through current events where government secrecy meets AI anxieties and global politics, all seasoned with sharp asides and the kind of speculation mainstream news won’t touch. The through-line: who gets to control the levers of power, tech, and reality—government, AI, or the people—and what breaks in the process?
“The future is already arriving… and we don’t even understand how it works.”

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Transcript

[Phil]

Hillary Clinton was on Capitol Hill today giving closed door testimony to about her relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Well, her lack of a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, if you believe her testimony. Lauren Boebert decided that she was going to take a picture and then she sent it to Benny Johnson. Then he threw that on the Internet. And so then they stopped the whole thing. So we're going to talk about that tonight. There is chaos erupting on the Afghanistan Pakistan border. The Afghans decided that they were going to shoot at their nuclear armed neighbor. And now all hell is breaking loose. There are the Iran talks have broken down. The United States Iran says that they're not going to end their enrichment. So this only adds to the tension in the region. Donald Trump is making a bunch of waves because he's talking about seeking executive power over elections. Now what he's looking to do is use an executive executive order to require IDs. But the left is freaking out saying that he's going to fix the elections and it's going to be unfair and blah, blah, blah. So we'll talk about that. One of the people killed off the coast of Cuba the other day was an American citizen. Now allegedly the boat was stolen and it had a lot of Cuban nationals in it. But again, one American was killed. So we'll get into that. And also we're going to talk about a whole bunch of AI stuff at the end of the show too. So there's a bunch of people in China that or a bunch of women in China that have decided that they want to fall in love with their AIs. Burger King is using AIs to watch over their, their, their employees and make sure that they're saying please and thank you. So we're going to get into it, but first we're going to go to a word from our sponsor.

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[Phil]

All right, so smash the like button. Share the show with all of your friends, with everyone you know. Head on over to timcast.com where you can become a member. There you can join our discord and you can join our after show and you can call in and talk to our guests. Then head on over to Rumble so you can watch the after show. Join up there. Joining us tonight to talk about all of the things that I mentioned earlier and so much more is Rick Jordan. How you doing, Rick?

[Rick Jordan]

What's shaking? It's good to be here, man.

[Phil]

Who are you? What do you do?

[Rick Jordan]

Who am I? Well, I'm Rick Jordan. Right. I. I do a lot of things whenever I get this question. You know, pretty much what I've done since birth almost was technology, Right. But what I wanted to be when I was a super little kid was a tornado chaser.

[Phil]

Oh, that's sick.

[Rick Jordan]

I know. Yeah. So, I mean, I still do a little bit of that on the side.

[Phil]

Do you do a lot of. Do you, like. Are you like, an adrenaline junkie? Do you go out and try and do, like, things like jump out of planes and stuff?

[Rick Jordan]

No, I don't do that. But what I do, I like to be the first at certain things.

[Phil]

Okay.

[Rick Jordan]

You know, so if I see that somebody else hasn't done something yet, I'm like, why not? You know, there's got to be a reasonable. Watch me do it, you know?

[Phil]

Awesome. Well, thanks for joining us. Brett's here.

[Brett Dasovic]

What is going on, guys? It is Brett. Normally I'm doing Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3:00pm 3:00pm Eastern Standard Time, but we had about a bunch of stuff talked about. Fan of Twister growing up. The movie Twister. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 110.

[Rick Jordan]

Let's go with a new one, if

[Carter Banks]

you skydive into a tornado, would it kill you or just spit you out somewhere?

[Rick Jordan]

We want to find out. Let's go.

[Carter Banks]

I want to be the first.

[Rick Jordan]

You want to be the first?

[Carter Banks]

No, not yet. But reading all this AI stuff, I kind of. Almost there. Like getting ready to jump into a tornado. You look at a tornado.

[Rick Jordan]

Anyway, we could ask AI.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I'm just reading. The Department of War has this contract with Anthropic AI, the same company that's over building the thing that Phil's been using this, this buddy bot.

[Phil]

His name is Tank. Thank you, Tank.

[Brett Dasovic]

Tank.

[Rick Jordan]

Tank.

[Carter Banks]

And so military Department of War is like, we need full control this AI for autonomous weapons. And Anthropic's like, I don't think that's what we're supposed to be doing here, everybody. And it's like anyway, I'm freaking out

[Phil]

quite what it is.

[Carter Banks]

Okay, well maybe we can explain it further.

[Brett Dasovic]

We're gonna argue about it. You guys are gonna about it.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Carter.

[Ben]

What's up everyone? Carter Banks here hanging out, pushing the buttons, making sure to give you the best reaction shots and the best show. Let's go.

[Phil]

Awesome. So we're gonna start off with. From ABC7, Hillary Clinton's Epstein deposition briefly delayed over a leaked photo. Former Securitary of State Hillary Clinton's testimony had to be briefly halted due to conservative commentator Benny Johnson posting a picture from the closed door testimony. Johnson posted a picture on social media of Hillary Clinton testifying under oath in front of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. He said that Colorado GOP Rep. Lauren Bobert was the one who gave him the picture. Breaking the first image of Hillary Clinton testifying under oath about Jeffrey Abstein to the Republican Oversight Committee is what Johnson wrote. And you can see there's his tweet out. One of Clinton's advisers said that the testimony had to be temporarily off the off the record while they figured out where the photo came from and why possibly of Congress are violating House rules. According to Politico in the past, Clinton said that she doesn't have any information on disgraced financer Epstein or his associate Ghislaine Maxwell. Epstein was convicted of sex trafficking minors in 2019, the same year he died in prison. Do you guys think it's a good idea to take pictures in a closed session of Congress?

[Rick Jordan]

News?

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

Seriously?

[Phil]

Well, because it's Hillary Clinton and it's Jeffrey Epstein. Those two things are big news all the time.

[Rick Jordan]

But it's not a photo of those two together.

[Phil]

No.

[Brett Dasovic]

How. How much of a of a problem is this for Lauren Boebert, this is a slap on the wrist.

[Phil]

Yeah, I don't think that. I don't think, like, they, they wouldn't censure her.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's like, it'd be like, everything's legal for a fee. Like, as long as you're okay with taking the punishment, they go ahead and do that.

[Phil]

Well, I mean, that's everything.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Phil]

You know, I mean, like tolls or suggestions if you don't. If you don't mind paying the.

[Brett Dasovic]

You got the money.

[Phil]

Yeah, exactly. Speed limits. Just a suggestion. It's. I mean, most things, especially if you're not. If they're not violent crimes. Most things are just suggestions, if you. If you don't mind. To find.

[Rick Jordan]

Was it Hillary that said timeout, the photo leaked?

[Phil]

I mean, I don't know. It doesn't. It doesn't say who actually decided. I mean, it, it wouldn't surprise me if, if whoever was running the, the hearing actually, you know, the word got to them and they're like, hold on, we have to stop this and find out who it was so that way we can mark it down in the calendar that they need a slap on the wrist or something.

[Brett Dasovic]

When was the last time she was in any type of government hearing Hillary Clinton?

[Phil]

Yeah, probably. It's probably been like seven or eight years because it was about. Or maybe even longer because it was about her. Her emails. Was probably the last time that. That she was. Had a session of Congress where she was answering. Yeah, I think so. I. I'm off the top of my head, at least.

[Carter Banks]

Benghazi stuff.

[Brett Dasovic]

I remember Benghazi even farther.

[Phil]

Yeah, Benghazi was before that.

[Rick Jordan]

So, I mean, makeup professionally done.

[Phil]

Yeah, Right. I don't think this matters at all.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, no, the weird thing about it is you see stories like this, and I know that a lot of the people in Congress. I think it was you, Phil, that was pointing. Maybe somebody else that was pointing out that, like, you expect more from senators than you do from people in Congress. Right. So is the idea here that La Bobert's like, I'm just going to get my name in the press by leaking this photo to Benny Johnson and she just took it as a risk vers. Reward analysis.

[Phil]

I don't know that she was thinking about the press. I think she was thinking about. I think she's thinking about, you know, this will be something. I mean, maybe it is.

[Brett Dasovic]

Doesn't expose anything.

[Phil]

No, it doesn't. You know, it could be. I don't know. I don't know if her and and Benny are friends. If her and Benny are friends, Benny could have said, hey, snap me a pic so I can tweet it. You know, I, I don't know them

[Rick Jordan]

give you credit as.

[Phil]

Yeah, exactly right.

[Carter Banks]

People were very upset that this was a closed door hearing. So maybe this is Boebert's way of protesting closed door hearings. They're like, no, let's just make the world know that Hillary Clinton is being deposed today.

[Phil]

I mean that.

[Brett Dasovic]

But they already know she is. What is the idea here? That they're like, they're going to send in a fake person and they have to have a photo of it to prove that it's real.

[Phil]

Otherwise her double. Her body double.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

No, but my, I think Boebert was concerned this was going to be behind closed doors, going to get swept under the rug and everyone's going to deny it. Like, forget about it. She's like, I do not want to forget about this moment. No, make it noise. Make, make it a big deal that

[Rick Jordan]

she actually showed up. Is that what you're talking about?

[Carter Banks]

Just that Hillary Clinton's being deposed on Epstein. Like that's a. They tried to do it behind the closed doors on for a reason. And Bobert was probably that.

[Phil]

I mean maybe that, that maybe there's some substance to that. Like the idea of having photos of Hillary Clinton getting, you know, reading the, the riot act by Congress or being questioned by Congress makes Hillary Clinton look bad. It's, it's red meat for Republicans. They love to see Clinton sweat, you know, so I mean maybe that's, that's got.

[Rick Jordan]

So are we going to see a photo of Bill now?

[Phil]

Didn't.

[Brett Dasovic]

In the blue dress?

[Carter Banks]

Oh, it's where your mind's where I'm at.

[Phil]

Brett, one of you guys, you ever

[Brett Dasovic]

seen that photo of Hillary Clinton when she's in like the, the rundown apartment and she just looks disgusted and freaked out. I love that photo.

[Phil]

She looks confused.

[Brett Dasovic]

She's literally look like at like all the apartments I lived in when I was in my 20s.

[Rick Jordan]

That's what I meant by the professional makeup.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

When she was campaigning. I mean it was a complete difference overnights because between how her hair was done, how her makeup was done. All of a sudden she went back to, oh, this is who I really am. It was like the physical mask.

[Phil]

Carter brought up the picture. I mean she, she looks, she looks her aged. You know, she, she's looking her age. I don't know how old she's. I think she's like Push in her.

[Ben]

Pretty old.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, 74. What's. What's. What's the guess.

[Rick Jordan]

Taking.

[Carter Banks]

Taking bets on Hillary's age?

[Rick Jordan]

The only thing I thought when. When that before and after the campaign thought, I'm like, man, my tax dollars, you know, or donor dollars went to Botox. Yeah, Botox and hair and makeup, you know, not. Not while she was campaigning. That was donor dollars. But when she was in office, it's like she's 78. Really? Wow.

[Brett Dasovic]

So does that mean she looks good for her age, then?

[Phil]

No, but if a lot were here, you might make that argument. Yeah, he's the guy that's constantly thirsting for Hillary.

[Rick Jordan]

He's big.

[Brett Dasovic]

Wait, for. For what? What. Is that a real thing?

[Phil]

Well, no, he says that when she was younger, she was very.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, they say she looked like Sabrina Carpenter. Sabrina Carpenter looks like Hillary Clinton when she was younger.

[Phil]

I mean, that hot. I don't. I don't. I don't think Sabrina Carpenter is all that hot, really.

[Carter Banks]

She's.

[Phil]

She's. She's pretty. But was that.

[Rick Jordan]

Neither was Hillary?

[Phil]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think so. I. That's why I brought it.

[Brett Dasovic]

Rewriting his.

[Phil]

Kind of crazy.

[Carter Banks]

This is like Hillary was kind of like a poster child for the military industrial complex in 2016, 17, 18, and everybody is kind of like, I think they want their vengeance now. They just want to see Hillary Clinton pay. And it's like, bro, she's such a pawn in this whole world power thing.

[Phil]

Like, that's not what people think, though.

[Rick Jordan]

They don't think she's.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's.

[Phil]

She. They think that she's the. She thinks. They think that she's like the queen.

[Brett Dasovic]

Actually, I think one of the. This actually, a good point to this might be the fact that the Epstein files have become such a divisive issue within the Republican Party that trying to refocus it around somebody that's a Democrat is a good thing for people in Congress. We're looking to kick the can down the line, not have to deal with it, you know, blowing up the Republican Party. Like it has been the last couple of months.

[Phil]

Yeah. We dug into it, and there are actually no photos of Hillary Clinton with. With Jeffrey Epstein. So it's possible that she didn't really know him that well. It's possible that, you know, maybe she met him at dinner or whatever, but that, you know, not long enough to. To stand for a photo op or whatever. Now, obviously, Bill Clinton, that's a totally different story. And so people are like, people, you know, make the assumption. Well, you know, Bill knew him, but then again, the reasons that Bill knew him. Maybe Hillary wasn't around.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah. No reason for her to be there.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Phil]

You know, it's like, in fact, she wasn't invited. Yeah, definitely not invited.

[Brett Dasovic]

On one of those boys trips that he was.

[Rick Jordan]

Honey, I need you here.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, I wasn't surprised that she stayed with Bill when he got a blowjob in the Oval Office because it was Bill Clinton. He was the president, and like, wife stands by her man. But damn, that just probably just wrecked their relationship. Bill off, womanizing, Hillary, dealing with it, getting bitter.

[Brett Dasovic]

They'd say that it wasn't a relationship to begin with. A lot of them are matters of political convenience. They're basically like arranged marriages in politics.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Phil]

I mean, I know. I remember there were. There were a lot of, like, videos that. That came out after the. Things were made public where there was distance between them. You can kind of tell. But Bill's philandering was well known long before Monica Lewinsky, long before it became national news. I mean, there were rumors of Bill when he was in Arkansas.

[Rick Jordan]

Arkansas Governor.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was kind of par for the course for. For good old Slick Willie, you know, regarding.

[Rick Jordan]

I heard that Jesus come up with that, now

[Carter Banks]

attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding in 2013 or something.

[Phil]

Oh, did she? Yeah, I just read that she made some. She did make some remarks. I'm not sure where I saw it, but I'm not sure if it might be over here. And I don't want to turn away, but she made remarks about her acquaintance, about being an acquaintance of Ghislaine.

[Brett Dasovic]

So she's like, Bill's out on boys trips with Epstein and Ghislaine is out on girls trips with Hillary.

[Phil]

Elaine was literally being like, the. She was. She was being the wingman. She's like, let me take care of your wife. You go have fun.

[Carter Banks]

I wouldn't be surprised, too, if, like, because Epstein was dealing with such dark stuff that Bill's like, Hillary, you're never going to be any part of this part of my life. I'm going off to do the. The dirtiest deals with the darkest money. I don't want you anywhere near it.

[Phil]

I don't think Bill was looking for money.

[Rick Jordan]

Contributing chivalry now to Bill, more like

[Carter Banks]

just, if this ever gets blown up in the press, I don't want you connected to him, like that kind of thing.

[Rick Jordan]

Well, that's awfully nice of him.

[Phil]

Yeah, it was that way. Bill, Bill, the altruist Clinton.

[Brett Dasovic]

I think most people look at it

[Carter Banks]

alone on the island with Epsom and his girls.

[Brett Dasovic]

I think most people would look at it as the other way around, whereas she would be the one who's maneuvering him like a pawn and in working behind the scenes to get him where he needs to go as a politician, because he's too, you know, her idea might be he's not smart enough to do it on his own. He's the good face of the Democratic Party at the time, but he doesn't necessarily have the ruthlessness that it takes to succeed in politics. He is the ruthless one, and he is the face of the movement.

[Phil]

Yeah. If I understand correctly, people that have met Bill Clinton, they're like, you know, it makes perfect sense that he was the president. When you meet him, he. It feels. It's same thing said about, you know, Barack Obama and stuff, like, when you meet him. And also said same thing said about Donald Trump. He remembers your name. You know, you feel like there's no one else in the room.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's like, he's a dangerous thing.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

When. When. Who was it that came here? Larry Elder came to Tim cast, like, for the second time. He shook my hand and said my name. I'm like, there's no way. Like, I said, I met him for like 10 seconds the time before, like, when they were leaving. And he came and said, hey, Brett, how's it going? So there's only thing I can think is, like, somebody in the car was like, these are the people that work there so that you can remember their name. And I was like, that. That was crazy to me. I'm like, that was. Actually made me less trust.

[Carter Banks]

In theater school, I used to do that when I would be like a sophomore when all the new freshmen come in, all their headshots would be on the wall. Just go in the room and stare at the wall for, like 20 minutes at all the headshots and names and memorize faces and names. Because it's such an important part of that industry.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's memorized.

[Brett Dasovic]

I could never be a politician. I can remember anybody.

[Rick Jordan]

Power.

[Phil]

Yeah, right.

[Rick Jordan]

Psychological. Your name is an anchor point in your brain. So when somebody says it, all of a sudden you are hooked. I mean, there's studies about this stuff.

[Brett Dasovic]

That way they have the hostage negotiator constantly say your name.

[Carter Banks]

Absolutely.

[Rick Jordan]

Anchor point.

[Carter Banks]

People say that to control a demon, you. If you know its name, you can control it, like in mythology, you know, and so demons will hide their names because probably that very. That Very power, that intrinsic vibration that, like, pulls you and changes you. Just hearing that sound.

[Rick Jordan]

That went to a weird place, man.

[Phil]

It does.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's only going farther from here.

[Phil]

We're only getting started.

[Brett Dasovic]

We're only 15 minutes in.

[Phil]

Ian's driving the car. We're all passengers driving.

[Carter Banks]

We'll get to resonation later where the field itself moves. Let's just.

[Brett Dasovic]

I will never hold office. I can't remember anybody's name.

[Rick Jordan]

A gap, right? We went from Hillary Clinton to demons.

[Phil]

So, yeah. You know, the actual.

[Ben]

Can't remember a demon's name if it doesn't give you the right one.

[Carter Banks]

Well, the name.

[Phil]

Yeah, that's true.

[Carter Banks]

You ever ask someone for their name and they won't tell you because they're afraid?

[Phil]

No.

[Carter Banks]

I mean, be weird.

[Phil]

Yeah. No. So, yeah, I mean, photos, by the

[Brett Dasovic]

way, what you were just talking about. I've actually attributed Ian at having that same power where the day I met Ian, I said, everybody in your life should look at you the way Ian looks at you when they're, when you're talking for the first time, it's like nothing else in the world exists. That's a skill set.

[Carter Banks]

You were saying awesome stuff, too. You were, like, really informative and, like, explaining a bunch of stuff to me

[Brett Dasovic]

that's, that's important to, to be able to give somebody your full att.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Present.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I still remember what Ian said to me the first day I came to work here and was like, welcome home. And I never forgot that. My mom loved it too. She's like, I like Ian.

[Phil]

Ian ever said to me was the N word. So.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

You want to do it again? Man, if we were online right now. I'm lying.

[Phil]

I'm lying. I'm lying. It's not true. It's not true at all.

[Carter Banks]

Nice to meet you.

[Phil]

Yes, that's exactly so. Yeah. I mean, look, I, I, I don't think this is actually even really big news, so I feel like we could kind of move on. We covered it because it was kind of like the thing that was all over the headlines and stuff. But, yeah, there's no, there's not really any significant substance and nothing was really said in the.

[Brett Dasovic]

Does she have multiple days she has to testify, or is it just this one day?

[Phil]

I don't know. I think that. I think that the actual. The committee decides that, okay. They feel like they get through and they. All the questions are answered and everyone

[Rick Jordan]

gets a statement after. I saw that today, too, and it was just a, Just a bunch of, you know, why did you do this? Why did you have me come in? You know, I'm summarizing, you know, but it was more of a. It was more of. You allowed all these other people to skip this hearing and just provide a written statement. I provided a written statement, too. She was saying this was nothing but politics. Of course, you know, that's why you dragged me in here. And it's like.

[Phil]

Well, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say. Well, you're right. Yeah, she's right. You know, I mean, well, you're a

[Brett Dasovic]

politician, so, like, that follows.

[Phil]

You're one of the most powerful people in the world. You're arguably the most powerful woman in the world. Yes, it was politics. Almost.

[Rick Jordan]

Back to that comment that Trump said one in the first campaign. Yeah, yeah, because he'd be in jail.

[Phil]

You'd be in jail. Yeah. So. All right, we're gonna move on to this story here. The CEO of the World Economic Forums quits after Epstein's ties are coming to, like, excus me. Sorry.

[Carter Banks]

Blessings, sir.

[Phil]

From Reuters. In Zurich, the president and CEO of the World Economic Forum, Borg Brende, said he was stepping down on Thursday, a few weeks after the forum launched an independent investigation into his relationship with the late US Sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Brende, who became president of the WEF in 2017, announced his decision in a statement following disclosures from the U.S. justice Department that showed the Norwegian had three business dinners with Epstein and it also communicated with the disgraced financer via email and text message. After careful consideration, I have decided to step down as President and CEO of the World Economic Forum. My time here, spanning eight and a half years, has been profoundly rewarding, said Brendan, a former Norwegian foreign minister issued by the wef. The statement made no mention of Epstein. However, Brende said Brende told Norwegian media he was sorry about how he had handled his dealings with the American and that it did not want the issue to be a distraction for the forum, which organizes the annual Davos Summit. It. This is. Again, this is kind of a. It's. It's interesting to see the kind of the. The repercussions of the Epstein files all over Europe, and we're just not seeing anything here in the United States.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, if we're talking about people stepping down. Casey Wasserman stepping down from the Wasserman Agency.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

And his weren't even ties to Epstein. They were ties to Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Phil]

Yeah. And Pritzker's brother.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Guy from the. I think it's Hyatt is the. Is The. The hotel chain.

[Brett Dasovic]

Bill Gates just, like, said sorry and just kept his job.

[Phil]

Gates is like, I have a little bit of it.

[Brett Dasovic]

He's like, I had two affairs. That was the real.

[Phil]

I mean, technically, Bill Gates stepped down from IBM a long time ago. Right. He's. Now he's just Microsoft. Yeah. Well, yeah, Microsoft, my bad. But yeah, he. Now he's just like a. A philanthropist who's trying to mutate mosquitoes and.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Phil]

You know, saying that he's trying to cure malaria, but we all know what he's really trying to do. He wants to implant robots in. You know. I'm just kidding.

[Carter Banks]

Implant and live long and prosper.

[Rick Jordan]

He was a big proponent way back when, too, of. Of the COVID era.

[Phil]

Everything.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

So he's like machine Man. I don't know. I don't want to go too hard

[Phil]

when I think about Machine man now.

[Carter Banks]

All these tech, these techno. What do you call them?

[Ben]

Tetsuo Technocrats. I don't know.

[Rick Jordan]

This isn't any surprise from him, though, because even. I mean, obviously he. He divorced his wife. Yeah. And you talked about Bill Clinton, but

[Phil]

I think she divorced him, Right.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Because of this stuff. So did it come.

[Rick Jordan]

He. He had so many affairs when he was at. When he was at Microsoft, you know, so just like Bill Clinton. It's like this wasn't anything that was unknown.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

You know, so it wasn't a surprise to me to actually see him linked to the. In this manner whatsoever. But for him to just come out after everything else is known about him, this response was pretty appropriate.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

You know, saying like, yeah, I did two Russian girls.

[Brett Dasovic]

Nobody benefited more from that divorce than, like, NGOs and, oh, yeah, profits.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Melinda Gates is just giving it away.

[Phil]

It's same thing with MacKenzie Bezos.

[Rick Jordan]

Yes.

[Phil]

They're just like, I mean, look, it's fine that they get divorced and they're like, I was with him when he made his money. Half it's mine. Fine. The guys are set. They're fine, too. I hate the fact that the women are giving away money, particularly because of who they're giving it to. They're giving to all these progressive causes and stuff, and it's just like, man, can't you find something better to do with that money?

[Rick Jordan]

And it causes what ties to terrorist organizations.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah. Like it. Because it's, it's. It's all just misplaced empathy.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Phil]

You know, they're like, oh, look, this makes me a good person. These poor suffering whatever, I'll give this money away. And really it turns into, you know, money going to terrorists or going to, you know, organizations that are looking to do things like, you know, gender reassignment surgeries for children or stuff like that. It's all just the most nefarious stuff out there and they're just like shoveling cash at these groups.

[Brett Dasovic]

Do you think that's on purpose? Okay, so let's rephrase that question. So I kind of have the same point, is like, when you give to the Nonprofits and the NGOs, especially if you don't do like a bunch of research into where the money goes, even if we don't want to talk about like shady places they could be giving it to, but whether they're spending the money well. Right, like how much of it is actually going to whatever cause you're raising and how much is it is going to employee salaries and things like that. Do you think it's a form of offloading their, kind of their empathy on this company? Or are they doing it specifically because there's like nefarious stuff going, going on and they want to spread the money around to nefarious causes?

[Phil]

Honestly, I think that they just got a boatload of money and it looks good.

[Rick Jordan]

Yep.

[Phil]

They got a boatload of money that they didn't have to work for. And they're just like, man, I got all this stock and I can sell some stock and you know, it'll piss my ex husband off and you know, I'm going to give this away to this group and this group and this group. I don't think that they look into it. I don't think that they're, they're, they're malicious or they're like, oh, I want to help terrorists or anything. I think they, they, I think they believe the face of whatever NGO that they're talking about or whatever organization. They believe what their mission statement, their public facing mission statement on their website is. They're like, oh, they, they seem nice. Let me give them $1 billion and let me give them, you know, or 50 million or what, whatever number it is.

[Brett Dasovic]

You know, the funnier version of this is like if Mackenzie Bezos and Melinda Gates just start giving money to their, like, to their husband's competitors, like just start funding all the people going against them.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, that would be the, the ultimate spite movement.

[Brett Dasovic]

Every time he like complained about something at, you know, when he got home from work about some dude, she just doesn't like, oh, this guy's a jerk. He wouldn't sign this business deal, she Just starts giving money to all the people he complained about when they were eating dinner.

[Rick Jordan]

Kenzie Bayes right now and all of Elon's former women. Like I, I'm giving to Open Claw, you know, I'm giving a. Claude right now.

[Phil]

Anthropics make me feeling, you know, but I mean. Yeah, like the, but again, back to the story like this. The fact that there's, there's all these repercussions that are, you know, going through even, you know, the, the government of the uk and, and nothing's really happening here in the States when it comes to, you know, anyone, anyone that's. That's alleged to be involved there. Like none of the lawyers or none of the friends are, you know, nothing seems to be going on.

[Brett Dasovic]

You mean as far as arrests or just in general, nothing's changing. Remember I'm team. Nothing ever changes.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, I understand that, but I mean, you know, you don't. You only like, like you said, there's two guys that have stepped down from their, their positions.

[Rick Jordan]

Well, it's the first time in how many hundreds of years that are royal in the uk.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

You're referencing.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

I mean, stripped of his titles, arrested, thrown in prison.

[Phil]

I think that's true. Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

And Casey WASSERMAN in the U.S. that was a little bit different because it's connected directly to Hollywood and all of those people, it became a virtue signal on behalf of all the people that he represented to leave on behalf of, you know, that their audience. Because every one of those clients, whether it's music, movies, they all have their own self interest. They can't be seeing being attached to this guy. And his whole business model is to be attached to individuals, not necessarily to a product. So it makes sense that he would get, you know.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, well, they asked him

[Brett Dasovic]

to like he's going to sell his own agency that bears his name. Like that's, that's even crazier. Like his company with his name and they're trying to buy him out so that he has to leave.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, it's. If I imagine if they'll. Or I wonder if they'll change the name after he leaves.

[Brett Dasovic]

Probably, you know, just, I mean, it's kind of tainted.

[Phil]

Break the ties.

[Carter Banks]

How deeply was he entrenched with Epstein?

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, he wasn't attached to Epstein. From what I understand, he had emails. He had like an affair with Ghislaine Maxwell, if I'm remembering correctly.

[Phil]

Which I mean, to be honest with you, Ghislaine is just as bad as. As Epstein. As much as Epstein kind of gets the. The focus all the time. She was trafficking as just as much as Epstein was. You know, maybe she wasn't actually engaging in. In the rape of minors, like. Like. Like Epstein did. But, you know, like, she was helping out, and she was making sure that there was. There was, you know, young people that were available for Jeffrey to. I heard abuse.

[Carter Banks]

She would refer to them as New Biles. And they drive around New York looking for New Biles, you know, underage women, basically, and find them, like, hot chicks that they thought were going to be models, basically. And they're like, let's get them.

[Rick Jordan]

Let's stop.

[Carter Banks]

They literally would stop on the street. I don't know if this is true, but, like, they stopped, park the car and be like, hey, you. You're exactly who I'm looking for. Want to be famous? And the kids are like, yeah, I'm 16. I'm an aspiring model. New Biles Ghislaine would call them. So I've heard. I don't know if it's true or not. So crazy that she had a name for it. What's it?

[Rick Jordan]

There's two things that really bother me about the whole Epstein arc. The first is that we don't ever really see a lot of the details, you know, so, like, in this story right here, there's text messages and everything. Some of the emails make it out, you know, and it's very clear as to what was going on. But in this case, Epstein almost seems like he's the black spot, you know, if you had any association with him whatsoever. Oh, yeah, then you're. You're shamed for life. You know, even if you just had a phone conversation with him at one point where he was saying, hey, come out to my island, you're like, no, that's okay. I don't. I don't need to. But then you just talk, even in the slightest terms of a business deal with him, know, because he was a financier hands down. Right. That's what he did. But then that leads into the second thing is this has been lingering on so long, you know, I'm wondering when this story arc comes to an end, because it's been. How long is it really? How long has it been now?

[Phil]

Well, he was arrested in 2018, correct?

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

So, I mean, he had his first conviction well before that.

[Phil]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ben]

Wasn't he, like, out on probation or, like, house arrest for, like, a number?

[Brett Dasovic]

Most people continue to work with him after, like, plenty of people continue to work with him, even though he had convictions already. Didn't matter.

[Phil]

Yeah, it.

[Carter Banks]

I agree fully with what you're saying, Rick. This feels like a cudgel that will be used for decades until all these people are dead and gone. Associated with Epstein. There's in the back of their mind, they're like, if it drops that I made a phone call with Epstein one time and like, what? It's the name the guy. Like, come on. It's like, Hitler.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Obviously the Nazis were bad. It was horrible. But like, people that get any association with Nazi Germany, Hitler, any of that is like, was the most demonic association.

[Phil]

You shouldn't be afraid to name your kid Adolf.

[Carter Banks]

Shouldn't be. Adult's a beautiful name. Hitler's a cool name too. Just turns out that Psycho had ruined.

[Brett Dasovic]

From here on, it's also a form of selective enforcement. Look at what happened with Weinstein and the amount of people who were caught in the Weinstein net. Leslie Hedlund is still working, and she was Weinstein's assistant. And people are like, look, am I supposed to believe that you didn't know what was going on? And most people like, no, I don't buy that. But she's still working in Hollywood just because they don't actually enforce the rules equally.

[Phil]

I mean, it's all about who. You know, everybody in Hollywood. Hollywood, over a certain age had had awareness of it. People, they were making jokes about Epstein at the Golden Globes or something.

[Carter Banks]

Wines.

[Phil]

Weinstein, yeah. Weinstein, yeah. Harvey. They were making jokes about Harvey.

[Carter Banks]

Similar name.

[Phil]

My bad. They're making jokes about Harvey from stage, you know, and it was so. It was the. An open secret in Hollywood. I mean, Weinstein was laughing at the jokes.

[Ben]

The famous Ricky Gervas joke.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Ben]

You remember that?

[Phil]

Yeah. So I mean, if you. It's like if you're over the age of 35 or 40 in. In Hollywood, you knew and you know, it. It took a long time for. For people to come. I mean, someone like Oprah Winfrey was, you know, tons of pictures with him, friends with him, you know, buddy, buddy, buddy. And of course, you know, when it comes out that the things that he did and the coercion, you know, she just doesn't say anything. But nobody's. Nobody's like, hey, Oprah, how come you're still. You're still like a queen of media or what have you, even though you were definitely buddy, buddy with Harvey Weinstein, you know?

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, she's also deeply embedded in the production side of things. So she spread her money around to finance Projects. She's not just somebody who's in front of the camera. You know, it's the same thing. There's actually this weird thing where every time Mel Gibson makes a new movie, even though, like, so many people in Hollywood hate him and the public loves him, somehow there will be, like, nice reports written about the movies that he's making because he's deeply, you know, felt within the production side of things. So he can go to these outlets and they can write some favorable pieces about him and be right next to a hit piece from somebody else who doesn't like him because he's so. He's got so many ties to the behind the scenes stuff in the industry.

[Rick Jordan]

The other day, as not being in the Epstein files, you know, he intentionally named. As not being in there.

[Phil]

He also naming people $400 million off of the. The movie about Jesus that he made. Financed.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

They're also like. Like the. The pictures of George Bush, they're like, not even in the Epstein files. Bombed kids overseas just for the hell of it.

[Phil]

I mean, didn't. Yeah, didn't. Yeah. No, no, no coercion at all. Yep. Totally. Love of the game. Good Lord, I do.

[Carter Banks]

It is important that we don't demonize people for having connections to someone that's a vile creature. Like, just because they knew a guy or they had a dinner with them eight years ago and then the guy went off and did psycho. Like, that doesn't mean you're a psycho. It's okay to associate or have had associated with crazy people in the past. Doesn't make you crazy. It doesn't make you a villain. Doesn't. It's not illegal. So it's really sad, like, when people like, shit, my name is attached to the guy. I got to resign from all my. Maybe there's something going. World Economic Forum guy. Maybe something deeper was with that guy and he's like, I got to get out of here before they start asking questions. Maybe. But like, the shame of running away from your job because you got named in an email from 18 years ago is like, bro.

[Rick Jordan]

I mean, public perception. And everybody's going to hate me for making this statement. But, I mean, listen, the public got over Diddy, right?

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

I think the public needs to get over Epstein now. The world needs to get over Epstein because I don't see any real moves towards actually preventing, limiting, going after any kind of child trafficking anywhere else.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, look, I just don't think. I. I think in the. At least when we're talking about the Twitter sphere, And the people on there, I just don't think that they're going to get over. I don't blame them for the most part, because I make the joke all the time. I say, I'm team. Nothing ever changes because it does feel that way. And it's an offshoot of that where you're like, you look at these people do awful. You see them break the rules, you see them ignore the will of the people and nothing ever changes. And there's no greater inc of that than knowing that all of this stuff is happening and knowing that nobody's going to be held accountable. And it's even worse when you see it happening to somebody in the uk but in the US where all this was based, they're just like, I understand where the black pill comes from. That now. I understand there's a gap there between the people who are policy minded and who are saying that we need to get over this because we have other things we need to worry about and this can't be the only thing that we focus on. But when you're talking about the abuse of children, that's just a chord that's very hard for some people to separate from.

[Phil]

You know, it's funny because. Well, it's interesting that all this focus on the Epstein files and, and the terrible things that Epstein did, but people don't really have the same, or at least the left doesn't have the same kind of outrage over all the children that were trafficked through the, the southern border when Joe Biden, like, the, the

[Brett Dasovic]

only reason they care about Epstein at all is absolutely tan. It's tangentially connected to Trump.

[Phil]

Absolutely. But the, there were far more kids that were hurt and died and, and abused, you know, by cartels that were trafficking children over the border all the time during the four years that Biden was president. And they don't say a word, not a peep about that.

[Rick Jordan]

The Super Bowl, I mean, the super bowl weekend is the biggest trafficking weekend.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

Every year.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Brett Dasovic]

But why? Like, just because of the travel into this, into the country parties.

[Phil]

Yep.

[Rick Jordan]

People buy commodities and unfortunately commodities are children.

[Phil]

Yeah, it's horrible.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's what I'm saying. So the idea that people know that this exists and there isn't anybody. There's one person whose face has been made kind of the. He is now the avatar for it. And the only other person who's been held accountable somehow isn't able to give other names and bring anybody else to justice. People can't buy that.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like they don't buy that the one guy died and that the other one's in jail and then just nobody else. And I don't think they should be expected to believe that. I'm not saying that I don't hear,

[Rick Jordan]

man, is that, you know, what are we actually doing about it right now?

[Brett Dasovic]

No, I'm not, I'm not saying it's not a, it's not a problem where it feels like things are getting lost and other stuff could be getting done, but depending as one of the things I was saying the other day is like most of the people these days are one track voters. Right. Like the other day I opened X and half the people are complaining about Iran and how we're going to have World War iii. Then we have people complaining about Epstein. Then we have people complaining about glyphosate. Everybody's a one issue voter and if you're not taking care of their one issue, they're not going to support you anymore. And that's made worse now by the fact that the Internet gives you all the news all the time and you're bombarded by bad news constantly.

[Phil]

Yeah, I, I think that everybody's a one issue voter.

[Brett Dasovic]

It feels.

[Phil]

Yeah, a lot of people are.

[Carter Banks]

I'm not, I mean, not everybody, but maybe the plebs generally, like, common man is emotional.

[Phil]

You always vote?

[Carter Banks]

No, I only vote if I know what I'm voting for.

[Phil]

I just thought is when you're like, I'm not a one issue voter, I don't vote.

[Brett Dasovic]

You don't have to be a one issue voter if you don't vote.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, it's, it's more about what I don't think anyone should ever feel like they're supposed to Vote.

[Phil]

Vote.

[Carter Banks]

You got to know what you're, what you're doing if you're going to participate.

[Phil]

You know my feeling about it? We need less voters, fewer voters, fewer people going to the polls. Fewer people there or more legitimate voters.

[Carter Banks]

You know, really people that understand.

[Phil]

I'm pretty sure I want less, fewer, fewer voters.

[Rick Jordan]

This is a good bookend, but I just truly believe that all of this news about Epstein and everybody stepping down is really about protecting the organizations that are forcing these individuals to step down. That's it.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.

[Rick Jordan]

It's not about the individuals. It's not about doing what's right for society. It's just about protecting the reputation of these organizations.

[Phil]

Yeah, I imagine the board of the WEF was like, bro, eat it. You got to get out of here. Man, get out.

[Brett Dasovic]

Bill Gates can stay cuz we can't make him leave.

[Phil]

But you, you're out of here. Like, like, like I said, Bill Gates is already, you know, he's not at Microsoft anymore. He's. He's already made his bag and, and he's just giving it away and trying to mutate the mutant mosquitoes, you know, that's it. Cure malaria. That, that's what he wants to do. He wants, he wants to use genetically engineered mosquitoes to manage to cure malaria.

[Rick Jordan]

What a freak.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, so that word malaria is so funny. Bad air. Is that what that means? Mal air?

[Phil]

I don't know.

[Carter Banks]

Mal area. It's. I think it means bad air. No one knows what, where.

[Rick Jordan]

It's a demonic word though, man. Seriously. We better not name it.

[Carter Banks]

You want to go to demons?

[Phil]

No, we're gonna go to Pakistan right now. From the first post, Pakistan's Kawaja Asif declares open war with Afghanistan after deadly border clashes. It's worth noting Pakistan has nuclear weapons, but there aren't a lot of cities in Afghanistan that are worth using a nuclear weapon on. Pakistani Defense Minister Kawaja Asif has declared an open war with Afghanistan after the Taliban administration said that its forces killed and captured several Pakistani soldiers during a cross border offensive. Our patience has reached its limits. Now it is open war between us and you. Kaba justice said posted on on x Taliban spokesperson forum. What was that?

[Rick Jordan]

That's a great forum. Declare war.

[Phil]

Taliban spokesperson Zabula Mahuj Majud Mujahid I think said in ex posts on. Said in post on X that multiple Pakistani troops were killed and others taken prisoner. He added that a large scale operation has been launched against Pakistani military positions along the Durand line in response to what he called repeated provocations. Meanwhile, Pakistan's Interior Minister Mozif Navik said that Islamabad's retaliation to the Taliban attacks was a befitting response. And. And blasts and gunfire rang out in the cities of Kabul and Kandahar under Operation Gazeb Ilhaq. So. So you think that the packs are going to nuke the Afghans or do you, do you think they'll waste a nuclear weapon on them? Atomic weapon? Well, I mean.

[Brett Dasovic]

No, you would know better about this. You like that? You like talking about the Middle East? East?

[Phil]

I don't know about that. But, but the. I like I said earlier, I don't think that there's a city in Afghanistan worth using a nuclear weapon on. They have to. The packs have to worry about India. India's got nuclear weapons. The Packs have nuclear weapons. They're, they're pointed at each other. They hate each other. I don't think that they'll waste them on the Afghans. I'm surprised. Well, actually, no, now that I think about it, not really. I imagine the Afghans wouldn't have done this prior to the US Pull out, not because the US Is there, but because they didn't have the hardware after the US Left. All those weapons. The US Is, is, you know, tacitly responsible for these, for this conflict, I imagine, because I bet they're, they're all running around with M16s and PVS14s, you know, on their helmets at night looking, you know, shooting at the, at the Afghan or at the packs because they've got all this U. S hardware.

[Brett Dasovic]

Figure out at least called the weapons in Mexico though.

[Phil]

Well, I mean, some made it there. Well, Fast and furious. Yeah. But the, the guys in Pakistan have military stuff. They're, they're, they're, they're not, you know, they're not, they don't have civilian, American civilian stuff. So they all got machine guns now. So they've got, I'm sure they've got lasers and scopes and all the stuff. You see all the, the propaganda videos that the Afghanistan or the, the Afghans have released after the US Pulled out. They're all wearing uniforms, they're all kitted up. You know, not saying that they know how to use any of this stuff properly, but I think a couple of guys got into a Blackhawk and crashed it.

[Rick Jordan]

They did. I saw that.

[Phil]

Yes.

[Rick Jordan]

That's happened twice now.

[Phil]

Oh, really?

[Rick Jordan]

Blackhawks.

[Phil]

You did think that they would be like, let's find a place where we can send guys to learn how to fly this thing before we let them get in.

[Brett Dasovic]

Or you got YouTube. You couldn't just look it up on YouTube?

[Phil]

I, I've been in a helicopter and they're not easy to fly. They're not easy. I got to sit in the flight sims. I got the flight sims. I mean, I guess, but like, do you think they don't have Internet like that in, in, in Afghanistan? They run in like Nintendo's. They're not, they're not, you know, Nintendo's from 93. They're not, they're not running, you know, modern, modern flight sims.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, they got to get Sierra Sim, uh, 60L Blackhawk. Top, top tier flight simulator. Add on for Microsoft Flight Simulator X. I mean, legit. That's what they should be doing if they want to learn how to fly this.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah. Why are they not.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know. Sorry, guys. If I told the Taliban something you

[Phil]

were trying to hide, I think they know about video picturing them, like on

[Brett Dasovic]

their phone watching a YouTube video about

[Carter Banks]

how to fly a Blackhawk yourself, a PX52. Are those those flight sticks? I was just about to bust mine out for elite dangerous. This game.

[Phil]

Yeah, The.

[Brett Dasovic]

The.

[Rick Jordan]

So far we've been clear. The Taliban tonight and all of Elon Musk's women, us, The U. S. Wants.

[Carter Banks]

Well, what I heard was the military wants. What was it that. That base, Bagram Air Force base, that they had basically surrendered. They want it back. At least Trump had mentioned a year ago he wanted back.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, if the U. S. Wanted it, they would just go take it.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, you would think so. It's very strange that the Taliban's going

[Rick Jordan]

after a great media play. Seriously, you know, because Biden was the one that pulled out and everybody shames him for all that. Imagine if Trump took it back.

[Carter Banks]

Like, you surrendered it.

[Rick Jordan]

No, like, he would go there. That's what I'm saying. He would go there. He would go himself and stand on a tank. That's the image. Seriously.

[Phil]

I mean, we took it back. Biden gave it up. We took it back. Can't let him have it. It's too. Too valuable. Too valuable. I just don't see. I don't see that there's a. I don't think there's a lot of value in it for the US Anymore. Right now. They're focused on Iran. You know, they're. And. Whereas, yes, you could. If we had Bagram, you could, you know, launch strikes from there. But, you know, I think the. The atal in the Indian Ocean is serving the purposes pretty well. And, you know, you got two carrier groups in the. In the. In the Middle east now.

[Rick Jordan]

So my question on this open war thing is what does open war actually mean?

[Phil]

Mean?

[Rick Jordan]

I mean, like a Gaza scenario, you know, is that what they're looking at to where it's like we're just gonna eliminate the Taliban now?

[Phil]

I don't. I mean, I don't. I don't know that the Pakistanis can. I mean, I know that they. They have. They have an air force that. That functions. There was a big old dog fight between the packs and the Indians maybe a year ago, a year and a half ago, and they got to. People got to see. I forget what kind of plane it was, but it was the first actual engagement in the package attacks. Beat the snot out of the Indians, if I understand correctly. But I don't know that they, they have the ability to really, you know, wipe out the Afghans the way that the US Did. I know the Afghans don't have any significant, they don't have significant anti air, you know, they don't have a lot of SAM sites or anything like that. You know, it's not like they got them posted up in the mountains where they can shoot them down, but they, I imagine they still have the Stingers that, that the CIA gave them 30 years ago and those who worked against helicopters and just asked the Russians, you know, So I mean, I don't know, I don't know the extent of what open war is, but like I said, I mean if Pakistan wanted to. They do have nuclear weapons. They have atomic bombs. I don't know. I don't. They have thermal nuclear weapons, but they have atomic bombs.

[Rick Jordan]

I don't think they've got missiles too. Yeah, missiles, yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

So what percentage of the, the weapons used against us and against allies of ours has just been left by the CIA or given to these people by

[Phil]

the CIA when it comes to Afghanistan,

[Brett Dasovic]

Just in general, like how much of the, of the weapons supply that's used against US and US forces is something that's like left over from a time when they might have been an ally?

[Phil]

Oh, I mean there's like the Mujahideen. So I mean Afghanistan, the, the combat that was going on in Syria, the, the Iraqis had had a lot of funding from the US because they were, the US was funding Iraq when they were fighting Iran. So I mean a lot, a lot. I don't, I don't know about Vietnam, I think the Vietnam, the Vietnamese were getting, the North Vietnamese were getting funded by China, so they were, they were getting Chinese aks and, and stuff.

[Carter Banks]

But Soviet, yeah, you know, but I Soviet block China.

[Phil]

Yeah. So I mean a lot of it though, you know, the Afghanistan, they've got a, a lot of the fighting in Afghanistan. Like once the US kind of took it like it was a lot of, you know, just some dude on a hill with an old bolt action, shot a couple rounds at a forward operating bas. Then the US put up a bunch of helicopters and blew up the top of the mountain, you know, but the dude was already gone. He's like, I take a couple shots and run. So I, I, yeah, I don't, I, I don't know exactly how much, but I'm sure it's a lot. Yeah, I'm sure it's a whole lot. So I don't know, I Don't think that this is going to turn into a broader conflict. I don't, I don't know how, how much. I mean, what is, what does Pakistan actually get from wiping out a bunch of Taliban?

[Rick Jordan]

18 people? Is that what it was?

[Phil]

I mean, let's see. Yeah. The Taliban government in Afghanistan said the attacks were in response to Pakistan strikes earlier this week, which reportedly killed 18 people as Islamabad said it targeted alleged militant camps and hideouts. Aren't they all militants?

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, it took kind of. Yeah, The Taliban took 19 outposts on the border and then killed 55 Pakistani soldiers, according to this article from India.com.

[Phil]

well, I mean, that's.

[Brett Dasovic]

What is the American interest in this?

[Phil]

We don't.

[Carter Banks]

You have a border state place. It's the border state of Iran.

[Rick Jordan]

Putting.

[Phil]

But they're on the other.

[Carter Banks]

Afghanistan was all about, basically.

[Phil]

But Pakistan and, and Afghanistan are the other border. So.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, they're on the East Pakistan eastern side of.

[Phil]

Yeah, so it's pretty far away from Iran.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah. But it's securing Afghanistan. Is that what your question was?

[Brett Dasovic]

I was like, what is the US Interest in this at all? Like what is. Like you were saying that it borders Iran, but what's the. Like what is our interest right now? To get involved or to stay out?

[Phil]

Well, to stay out. I mean, you've, like I said the, the. If you, if the US Were to take a side, which, I mean, the US Is, is friendly is with the packs and so, you know, they're not so friendly with the Taliban. So the U. S ostensibly could, could decide. They're gonna, they're gonna say, okay, we're gonna help the Pakistanis. But I mean, Pakistanis don't really need our help to, to kill Afghans. And, and if the US Were to side with the Afghanis, you know, you're, you're talking about a, a country that has nuclear weapons. They, they might possibly decide, all right, the Americans are coming, we're going to blow up a nuke and, and, or nuke the Americans, which I. Not that I think that's going to happen. Right. I think that's incredibly unlikely. But you know, anytime there's a country that's involved in any kind of conflict nuclear, that if they have nuclear weapons, that is part of the, the equation. That's something you have to actually think about. That's something that was talked about with Ukraine a lot. You know, how much will the US get involved in helping Ukraine? Because if an American is killed by a Russian, then you can easily imagine a situation escalating out of control and Russia and US have the biggest nuclear arsenals on earth. You know, you're going to say something

[Carter Banks]

that I, I think like the long term militaristic goal would be to subdue and eradicate the Iranian theocratic regime and then install like a liberal economic Middle Eastern authority there. Like the king basically of Iran, the. What's his name? Reza Pahlavi, put him back in the third and then allow Israel to basically govern the Middle East. So one guy, Scott Horton and Martyr Maid, they do a show which is really great. And they were saying, Daryl Cooper's Martyr Maid. He said that instead of going to World War iii, he thinks there's gonna be like a quadrupolar setup where the Chinese govern Northeast Asia, the Russians govern Middle Asia, then the liberal economic order governs the west, and then Israel governs the Middle east. And then those four powers will kind of establish homogeny in some form, which is like the least worst outcome. I can't stand theocracy. I think, I mean, trying to govern with religion is insane. It is not agile enough to form, to function as a government. It comes out of a 2000 year or what. Thousands of views text.

[Phil]

Anyway, depending on which religion you're talking about that, Depending on which religion you're talking about.

[Carter Banks]

If you had a legit religion, American government's kind of like a religion. I have faith in that constitution.

[Phil]

It works pretty well for the Saudis.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know what's.

[Phil]

They're a monarchy.

[Carter Banks]

They're not a theocracy, though.

[Phil]

Well, they're, they're definitely. I mean, that's, that's where Mecca is.

[Sponsor Representative]

Wait a second.

[Ben]

Aren't they, aren't they literally a theocracy though? Because like Saudi Arabia.

[Carter Banks]

I could be wrong.

[Ben]

Like Islam and.

[Phil]

Yeah. Islamic law. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Phil]

So, I mean, they are, they are a monarchy, but they, they are.

[Carter Banks]

If they weren't selling us oil, they'd be prime enemy number one if they weren't on board with the economic order right now.

[Brett Dasovic]

And they've also done a lot to like reintroduce American interest there by trying to get people to come out to Saudi Arabia more.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, the Saudis are like, they have. Their government is definitely not something that I would want, you know, I wouldn't want to live under the Saudi rule. But they're one of the, they're one of the least worst in the Middle East. You know, they, you know, the Emirates seems like it's all right for, for tourists. Most, most Americans can go to Saudi Arabia. You can go To Dubai.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, that's why they've done such a. They've put so much time and effort into kind of courting American celebrities. Like, they've paid WWE billions of dollars to do shows over there. Billions of dollars. Comedians, musicians and a lot. And most of them, they end up having to come back and, and, you know, answering questions from people who are like, you know, what are you doing over there with the, you know, you were, you were kind of woke before. That's what the human rights abuse is. And then they're, they have to either sidestep the question or just say they don't care.

[Phil]

Learn to dance. Dance around or dance around the question. Yeah, they got to learn that Donald Trump weave.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yes.

[Carter Banks]

Here. The political structure of Saudi Arabia, just kind of as a tangent, is an absolute monarchy, but also a theocracy. But I'm like, who, who derives, like legal. Who has authority there? Is it the king or is it the prophet? And it can't be the same guy unless your king is the prophet or is the imam or whatever.

[Phil]

Like, the prophet would be Muhammad. Right.

[Carter Banks]

And like, who represents that would be the imam, you know, of state, head of state. It was an imam. But if the head of state's some secular king, that's like. Yeah, that doesn't really seem theocratic.

[Phil]

He's not secular. He's. He's technically, he's. No, he's a Muslim.

[Carter Banks]

But he would then bow to. I, I don't know, maybe I don't know enough about the way Islam works in theocracy. But you would then bow to the religious authority and the king would be number two to the, to the.

[Phil]

Not necessarily like the head of the church.

[Ben]

They have like a hierarchy where they enforce like the religious laws in the place.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Phil]

I mean you talk about England, right? The king of England was always the defender of the faith. He was, he was the head of the Church of England.

[Rick Jordan]

Still is.

[Phil]

Yeah. Technically. Yeah. So the king is the guy that's in charge of the church and the guy that's in charge of the state. State and military. Yeah, yeah. So, so yeah, you can be. But all right. I think that that's probably about all we've got to talk about for, for, for afraid Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[Brett Dasovic]

We got to the robots.

[Phil]

I don't know about you guys in. We'll get to that, I promise. In similar news, the US Iran nuclear talks end without a deal as threat of war grows from the guardian. High stakes talks between the US and Iran over the future of Tehran's nuclear program. Ended on Thursday without a deal as the White House weighs a military option that would mark its largest intervention in the Middle east in decades. Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Aragachi claimed good progress had been made at the talks and Omani mediators predicted negotiations would reconvene at a technical level next week in Vienna. But there was no immediate evidence to support suggestions of that the two sides had drawn closer on the fundamental issue of Iran's right to enrich uranium and the future of its highly enriched uranium stocks. Nonetheless, the the Iranian and Omani mediators sought to cash the cast the talks in a hopeful light, likely seeking to avert a US threat to launch strikes from its fleet of aircraft and warships that have amassed in the region. Aragachi described the talks as one of our most intense and longest rounds of negotiations. He confirmed that further contacts would take place in less than a week. Do you guys think, think the US is, is positioning all of those military assets as leverage? Or do you think that the US is going to strike regardless of what Iran says? Or do you think they just expect Iran to say no? J.D. vance was, was making the argument that Iran is, is. I think that he said that they, they have, they're still after nuclear weapons. So he's, he's making the argument so

[Brett Dasovic]

weapons of mass destruction.

[Phil]

Again, weapons of mass destruction. Nuclear weapons.

[Carter Banks]

If Vance is saying that that indicates full on warhawk regime change.

[Phil]

But Vance isn't a warhawk.

[Carter Banks]

I know. That's why him, him being the guy saying that is like, wow, they have decided they are taking that government out.

[Phil]

Well, if I've read, I read a piece that said that the, both the US and Israel are kind of pushing the other one to actually kick it off. The US doesn't want to start it it. Right. They want to say, okay, well they want Israel to initiate and then they'll back up Israel. And Israel says, well we want you to initiate and we'll back you up. I, I don't think that Israel is much of a backup to the United States. I think the US is perfectly capable of taking care of, of their own military affairs. So I don't know that, that it's really all that compelling to be like, oh, you're going to back us up? No, I don't think you're going to back up anything.

[Brett Dasovic]

Don't they rely on Israel more for intelligence than anything else?

[Phil]

Yeah, allegedly Mossad's everywhere and they have people in Iran as well. Yeah. So maybe they do. But it still doesn't justify if, if Israel wants to Strike Iran, like, go ahead.

[Rick Jordan]

You know, surprised that they haven't yet, because if you look at the history of Israel, I mean, Israel is basically while the rest of the world didn't do anything. So you're welcome. You know, when it came to Syria.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

And I can't remember all the other strikes, but that, that they've had, but it's been more of a. Israel's always stepped up, at least from their perspective. You know, I'm not saying this, but this is what they've said. It's like we've wanted to play diplomacy, but Israel has always been, no, we're not going to wait for that. So it's like Israel's stance has always been, nobody else in the world can have nuclear weapons, period. And if we see anybody getting close, we're going to take the action. And they have, They've proven that, you know, even with, with everything with Gaza that came into play, you know, or Iran, they've been threatening that, you know, with the, with the Dome that's over their heads. They've launched attacks back and they're like, we're going to take action on Iran. They put this out there before Netanyahu has said this. And you talk about religion backing a government, right? That's pretty much their stance, is saying that, you know what, this can destroy God's people, you know, which is pretty much the whole world. Right. But especially Israel first. So we're going to do what we need to do, regardless of the U. N's approval, regardless of the U. S. His approval. We're going to do what we need to do to make sure that nobody else obtains nuclear weapons.

[Carter Banks]

You know, when the Nazis were gearing up for war, World War II, the British basically appeased him. Neville Chamberlain, was he the prime minister at the time and went to Hitler and was like, we're just going to give them a bit of the Sudetenland out east. We're just going to cede them some territory and we will appease Hitler and then there will be no conflict. And Winston Churchill's like, not in. He's like screaming from the rafters, they're

[Phil]

going to go to war.

[Carter Banks]

We need to attack these.

[Brett Dasovic]

They're going to war.

[Carter Banks]

Everyone listen. Everyone's like, you crazy old man. And they had a time when the Germans invaded Poland, there was this time when they had no troops in the west. And if the British and the French had attacked them, this is like where the Israeli mindset, I think, comes from. They would have conquered Germany because the Germans Couldn't have taken a Western offensive. But because they did appeasement and waited and waited and waited, the Germans got stronger and stronger and then sneak attacked. And I'm sure the Israeli government thinks, like, we cannot allow that to happen.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, that's Iran. That's 100% Iran. And that was Syria too.

[Carter Banks]

That's because normally I'm pretty much like, hey, bro, you can't just say like, we need to kill them before they attack us. And that's your justification. Because it's like, how far can you take that? The Romans conquered half the planet with that mentality, but at the same time, Neville Chamberlain appeased Hitler and that's kicked off the war. Like, you cannot appease a belligerent dictator. They'll just keep taking and taking until they have you.

[Phil]

So what do you guys think of the, the argument that the Persians in Iran want to see the Ayatollahs taken out and that they will actually rise up and if the US And Israel decide that they're going to go and do strikes, that the people will rise up and, and handle the ground war? Because that's one of the arguments that I hear. And the US hasn't positioned, you know, for a ground war. Like, if you remember the, the first Iraq war war, there was movement of troops and everyone knew, like, everybody knew it was coming. And I think the same thing with the, the Iraq war in, in the aughts, like they were moving massive amounts of troops. You know, they were moving ground forces. It was obvious that a war was coming. Right? That is not what's going on now. They're moving air assets, they moved all kinds of tankers. They've got all kinds of planes. There is not a significant buildup of ground forces. So at this point, it doesn't look like there's going to be a US Invasion. It'll be a bunch of airstrikes and just dropping bombs. Do you guys think that the Iranians are going to, are going to rise up and take the country for the Shah?

[Carter Banks]

Not if they're getting bombed. Not if they're getting bombed. I mean, even.

[Rick Jordan]

Not the resources either.

[Carter Banks]

If we were in a revolution in our country against an evil dictatorship and then the Canadian scheme and just started bombing our cities, that's not helping us. I mean, maybe you could argue things that are so bad that the only way to break this system is to destroy it and start it over again. But Iran's not that Canada might do

[Brett Dasovic]

that because they lost at hockey.

[Rick Jordan]

So it's completely possible twice we've been

[Carter Banks]

planning this since 2026.

[Phil]

The only bombing that Canada is going to do is they're going to send geese to poop on our cars.

[Carter Banks]

Or like Strange Brew 2, which would bomb terribly in the theaters.

[Phil]

Yeah, right. They definitely don't have an air force capable.

[Brett Dasovic]

Do you think that America's stance on war being more against these days perhaps, than it has been in decades past? And we've had this discussion before that America doesn't like the idea, or there's a growing sentiment that they don't want us in Israel to be as connected as they are. They feel like they're misappropriating resources. And there's a whole discussion that can be had about how much actual aid goes to that country. That's not the point. The point is, is it feels like Israel has interests in the Middle east, and America is kind of pulled along for the ride in a lot of cases.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

So for something like that, is the public disinterest in getting involved in these things in the year 2026 something that plays a role in keeping us from putting boots on the ground?

[Phil]

I think, yes, I think that it plays a role in keeping us from putting boots on the ground. I don't think the US Has. The American people don't want to see Americans on the ground. In Afghanistan, it's like, nobody.

[Brett Dasovic]

Trump has never been afraid to use drones.

[Phil]

No.

[Brett Dasovic]

It's never been a problem for him to do that. So when people talk about being a, you know, a president who's against war, I was like, it's not necessarily. Maybe against ground war, against starting new war, but he's never been afraid to get involved in foreign countries.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Ben]

The.

[Phil]

Neither is the United States, largely. If. If the US Goes and bombs a country and we don't lose any planes and no Americans come home in caskets, the. The American people are like, okay, look at Venezuela, right? Like, that was. That was a significant operation, and it was carried out to the plan. No Americans died. We had one guy that took a bunch of rounds, and we had him at the State of the Union, gave him the Medal of Honor. Everybody cheered. Everybody loved it. He came, you know, he might lose his leg, but, you know, he came back and. And he's gonna make it. And the American people have an overwhelming approval of that. It's like something like 75 of Americans are like, yeah, that was cool, man. Did you hear what the discombobulator, man. They made him guy his pants, man.

[Rick Jordan]

Man, you know, can't talk about that.

[Phil]

You know, but, like, I mean, that's kind of the way that the American population is. It's. It's like, look, if we don't have guys on the ground and we don't have Americans coming home in caskets and we don't lose any planes, bomb whatever you want, we'll. We'll actually cheer it on because Americans didn't die. And that's, that's generally the sentiment.

[Brett Dasovic]

But that's going to change over time, right? Like, it generally, Gen Z going into Gen Alpha aren't. Isn't going to look on that type of conflict the same way we did because we didn't. They didn't grow up in a time period where you were kind of walled off from the rest of the world. They've grown up connected to the Internet, which means that they've had access to information coming from these countries for a long time, and they live in a more globalist world than we did when we were younger.

[Phil]

I don't know that I think it's going to change because I don't think

[Brett Dasovic]

the public sentiment in America will change.

[Phil]

When it comes to, when it comes to. If the United States decides to do airstrikes, I really think the majority of Americans will. Will be like, it's not a big deal. Excuse me? Me. I think they'll be like, h. You know, because again, because it all depends on the level of, of US Casualties. And I think that just so long as Americans don't die, most Americans are, are kind of like, well, I got

[Rick Jordan]

to go to work.

[Phil]

Honestly, like, it's.

[Rick Jordan]

It's the last time that really mattered, I think would. Would have been Vietnam. Just because so many died.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, 50,000 people or something over there.

[Phil]

54,000 people. More people died. As many as people died at the Battle of Gettysburg, one battle in the Civil War, more people died than the Vietnam War.

[Carter Banks]

Was that like with amputation, people dying after the fact, too?

[Phil]

I don't know exactly how it was.

[Carter Banks]

You know, it's the plot, Brett. What you're talking about is kind of the plot of 1984. The George Orwell book is that there's forever wars overseas, and people are just lulled into not caring because they just see like, okay, bomb went off, bad guy died. Now we have new enemies. And it's over the years, all of a sudden, now Oceania's fighting Atlanta or whatever. Now all of a sudden you have a new enemy. And this whole time they'd be like, no, you've been fighting that other guy this whole. But because of the Internet, we're not in 1984, you can see from the ground in Iran the bomb falling on the guy, and you see his face. And like my mother, you see his mom bleeding out on the ground. And like, now we just gotta be aware of deep fakes.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Because it's a lot about sentiment, like social sentiment.

[Brett Dasovic]

There's also the issue where love, like living in America isn't as easy it used to be financially. So when you're struggling, if everything's going well and the country's in an economic boom and America's allocating a bunch of resources overseas and we're spending money to drop bombs on kids, maybe people are more forgiving. But when they can't afford to buy a house and grocery prices haven't come down to the extent that they want them to, and gas for your car isn't as cheap as you'd like it to be, then they're going to go looking for a reason as to why aren't things going good here. And maybe it's not the answer. Phil, we've had had this discussion before. Like, the amount we actually spend on defense isn't actually, you know, it's not the same amount. But, but that, but the point is they don't know that. You know, that's assuming that they're as educated as you might be on where America's spending goes to. Right. They don't necessarily know that most of it goes to Social Security into all that stuff. The point is they're looking for something to blame, and it's easier to blame the. What they would consider a real evil of dropping bombs overseas as opposed to paychecks for grandma still getting her Social Security.

[Rick Jordan]

It's all a cycle, though, too.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

If you look back, I mean, you could go into the Great Depression. I mean, I always loved history, you know, and I don't think there's anything new. I mean, even back to the Civil War that you mentioned, too. You know, I mean, typically speaking, Democrats have always been spend, spend, spend. Yeah, keep driving that up. But you look back at coming out of the, out of the Great Depression, what happened, right. It was World War II, and what took place during that was a big spending program to build up our military, where everybody was put to work again. And it sparked a huge economic boom. And then you saw after that that the debt actually was even paid down because our GDP was pushed up so much because we started selling weapons to the rest of the world, too. You know, and it's, it's cyclical. So I mean, if the, if the economy goes down. History would show that there's going to be some big spending after this to I.

[Phil]

The only, the only thing. Well, you mentioned a really good point. The, the cost of gas. If the US Starts striking Iran, I expect the cost of gas to go up significantly.

[Brett Dasovic]

It has come down a decent amount. Yeah, I wasn't trying to make the point that it hasn't come down. I'm just saying that there are still a lot of economic factors that young people are going to look at and wonder why this is going on.

[Phil]

Gas is the one that, that, you know, Americans do not want to see the cost of gas go up because it's. Most people have a sense that it affects the price of everything. But when you go to the, you know, you go to the gas station and you can fill your tank for 75 bucks or 50 bucks and then two days later it's 75 for the 50 tank and 100 for the 75 tank, people notice and they get mad. So whereas I understand your point about an economic boom and stuff, the immediate effects of a strike on Iran are going to be gas prices are going to go up. And, and that's going to be, be. That's going to be really, really bad for the administration, really bad for the Republicans in the midterms because they're going to blame them.

[Carter Banks]

Regarding the economic boom that you've noticed cyclically, is that like war? Is that your. What are you.

[Rick Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Carter Banks]

That's the only thing I can think of.

[Rick Jordan]

War means profits. So it always has.

[Carter Banks]

These society. Is it. Just because I'm doing like math about calculating the cycles of history and great societies that grow and they expand and expand. The only way to sustain it is to conquer and to take resources from outside and to grow. And we've sort of kind of tried to mediate that, but even the US has been expanding over time. The Louisiana Purchase, the, you know, now we have territories overseas and this and that, the liberal economic order, expansion and resources and the, you know, all that. The Indian, the East India Trading Company. But is there any other way? Like, can we sustain a thriving society without constant expansion?

[Phil]

We're going to talk about that when we get to AI you think AI

[Carter Banks]

might be able to help us do that?

[Phil]

I think it might. I don't know exactly. I don't think that I. We'll talk about it when we get to AI because I have thoughts. There's. There is some disruptions coming, some significant disruptions. But yeah, I mean, I, I do think that, you know, war is like, you Said, you know, war is, is profitable. There's a lot of Austrian economic economists that say, no, it's not, because that money could have been allocated to something else. But at the same time time when the US Spends money, it's not spending money, it's just creating the money. Yeah, it does. It's not like, it's not like there's a finite amount of money that could be spent somewhere else. That money is created and then given to the people that make weapons and, and then you go and blow stuff up. So as much as I, I really do appreciate the Austrian school and I appreciate libertarians take on economics, most of the time the US doesn't doesn't take like the US doesn't tax to pay bills. The US Wants to do something, they just the money and do it. So it's essentially for, it's essentially it's, it's, it's a cost in inflation. And you know, that, that, that affects every American. But it's not like, it's not like you're, you're saying, oh, we could have spent this money on something else because.

[Rick Jordan]

Oh, yeah, you're talking about allocation rather than the flow of the cash. Yeah, yeah. The flow of the cash is what gets everybody excited and that gets things

[Phil]

moving and the velocity of money.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

So ProfitAbilities of War 2 is like you can conquest and steal resources from the conquered and you get a portion of your civilianry killed off in the war as these poor soldiers so that you don't have to fund them. I would imagine the economists do the math, like, what's the cost of a human? Is it a net positive or a net drain on society? Most humans probably are net drains on society. They produce more waste than they create income. So they're like, we can get a bunch of these people just reduced to zero. A bunch of this drain goes to zero with all this death that we're gonna bring on our own people. And like, I'm sure they do that math and they think about how awesome it will be after the war when there's so many less of us to profit in everything that we've conquered. And all those other poor dead people, like, well, they were the poor ones anyway, so. And the children of the poor. So, like, who cares, really?

[Phil]

Yeah, I think that's partly part of the reason why I disagree with that is because, like I said, Americans don't like to see Americans come home in body bags. You know, if you had a significant decrease in the population enough to make an effect, effect on the economy or the, the amount of, of money, you know, GDP or whatever, you would have a really, really, really pissed off population.

[Carter Banks]

Vietnam proved that with the tv. Like, I know people whose dads had their legs blown off like a girl. And you saw like, guys get shot live in the jungle on tv. It was the first time that it humanized the conflict. And you're like, these are real people. This isn't just like we're missing 20%, like, who used to, we don't. If you don't see them, they never existed. Yeah, you're right.

[Phil]

You're right.

[Carter Banks]

Because it really is about how people feel about the aftermath.

[Phil]

Yeah. So we're going to jump to this story from the Washington Post. We're going to do this and then we're going to jump to the AI story. So from the Washington Post. Trump seeking executive power over elections is urged to declare emergency. Activists who say they are in coordination with the White House are circulating a draft executive order that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting. Pro Trump activists who say they are in coordination with the White House are circulating a 17 page 20 draft executive order that claims China interfered with the 2020 election as a basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting. President Donald Trump has repeatedly previewed a plan to mandate voter ID and ban mail ballots in November's midterm elections. And the activists expect their draft will figure into Trump's promise promised executive order on the issue. The White House declined to elaborate on Trump's plans. Under the Constitution, it is legislate is the legislatures and state that really control how a state conducts its elections. And the president doesn't have any power to do that. Peter Ticken, a Florida lawyer who is advocating for the draft executive order ticked in, attended the New York Military Academy with Trump and was part of his legal team that filed an unsuccessful 2022 lawsuit accusing Democrats of conspiring to damage him with allegations at his 2016 campaign colluded with Russia. But here we have a situation where the president is aware that there are foreign interests that are interfering in our election process, ticked and went on that cause that causes a national emergency where the president has to be able to deal with it.

[Carter Banks]

So.

[Phil]

So I'm not particularly excited about the idea of Trump having an executive order that in any way affects elections, but I do like the idea of voter id, so. And most of the reason why I don't like the idea of an executive order is because of the, because of what you're giving to the Democrats. Right. This Whole thing, the way it's framed is, oh, Trump's going to do this executive order and he's going to cheat at the elections and he's going to, he's going to, to install himself. It's feeding into the narrative that the left has been making that Trump's not going to leave office in 2028. He's going to be a dictator, etcetera, etcetera, and this is just about, you know, voter id, which is really about making sure that only Americans are voting, only citizens are voting. And the argument is, look, if the Republicans don't want to pass the Save act, which Save Act, I like it. There are Republicans that don't want to touch it. There's four that don't want to, want to, don't want to vote to end the zombie filibuster because it could affect their. There's one that's up for re election And I think two of them are not the McConnell's not, and there was someone else that's not, but I don't remember off the top of my head. But anyways, there's four that say, no, they're not going to get to 53, so they're not going to be able to, to stop the zombie filibuster. So the Save act is probably dead. So Trump's like, all right, well, I'm going to pass. I'm gonna have an executive order order to make sure that there have to, there have to be, you know, IDs to vote. And there are no mail in ballots, which personally, I think mail in ballots are a terrible idea. And I think that you should have to show ID to vote.

[Brett Dasovic]

So wouldn't this just be taken to the Supreme Court and then eventually struck down?

[Phil]

I mean, I assume so, but I did. But, but the thing is the Supreme Court picks its, its cases, you know, months and months in advance. So what would likely happen is they'll actually, he'll probably actually have the executive order after he knows that this case can't get to the Supreme Court before the election because now we're what, seven months away, you know, until November. So, you know, the u. The Supreme Court will decide what they're, they're gonna do in the fall. They'll probably decide, I think, in, in May or June or something like that. And if they, if he makes the executive order, then, you know, they're not going to put it on the docket. They could say that it's an emergency, it's possible, but I don't know.

[Brett Dasovic]

Feels like nothing gets done anymore without executive orders. And that sucks, too. Like, nothing gets done in Congress. The only thing that happens is Trump does executive orders, Biden does executive orders. Everybody complains that it's executive overreach, which it is for the most part.

[Phil]

And it's Congress's fault. Yes.

[Brett Dasovic]

And it's an increasing amount of overreach from the executive branch. And then it's not even lasting progress because most of the time it ends up getting shot down anyways. So we're just stuck in this limbo.

[Phil]

Not only that, it damages the country because you end up. We got such a polarized, you know, political situation that when Biden got in, he undid all of the actually good policies regarding the border that Trump had. The remain in Mexico. He had done. Did that. He undid. What was it?

[Brett Dasovic]

And fracking.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah, that stuff he undid. But. And the only reason that he undid the stuff was because Donald Trump, they were Donald Trump's executive orders. It was about saying, screw you, Donald Trump. We don't like you.

[Rick Jordan]

You.

[Phil]

So we're going to undo all of your executive orders, even the ones that are good. And we ended up with, you know, by some estimates, 20 million people that came into the country illegally.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, can you tell me again what the point was about? You said that Democrats don't like him, therefore it's bad because they'll frame it a specific way.

[Phil]

Yeah. So they don't like Donald Trump and they're going to frame this as, as they're going to truthfully say that this is executive overreach and he's horrible at

[Brett Dasovic]

PR anyway, so he leans into that like, like he leaned into Trump 20, 28. He's his own worst enemy.

[Phil]

But when it comes to that, when it comes to elections, they're going to use that to get out the vote. They're going to say Donald Trump.

[Brett Dasovic]

Okay.

[Phil]

So, yeah, they're going to say Donald Trump is a, is a dictator. He's. He's trying to steal the election. They've already started. Like you look on X. As soon as this came out, people were, were saying, oh, he's a. He's trying to steal the election. He's trying to, to rig the election, et cetera, et cetera. And really what he's trying to do is make sure that only people that have IDs vote. And they're going to say, oh, he's trying to disenfranchise women because women, men can't get IDs because they're dumb and black people can't get IDs because some reason, you know, like need it to

[Brett Dasovic]

go up through because when Fetterman wins in 2028, we need to know that it's for sure.

[Phil]

I, I, I'm all in on Fetterman 2028. I don't, I don't hate that at all. I don't hate that. But it, like, like I said, I mean it is, it's giving the Democrats ammunition, it's helping them in their campaigns. But at the same time, I mean I really do think that it, it should be obvious that you have to have ID to vote. It should be obvious that you don't do mail in ballots because they're not secure. And these policies, we can't get Congress to actually do it, you know, at all. So you know, he's like, all right,

[Brett Dasovic]

well do it with a majority. With a super majority. Yeah, like if you can't get anything done with a super majority, what are Americans supposed to believe when you have a split Congress and Senate, they stuff

[Carter Banks]

it all, they get stuff done, but they stuff it into those omnibuses and no one knows what it was that they did. And they push a but every year and that's what they did. Eight months worth of, of legislature and one big hundred and thousand page bill.

[Phil]

Well, I tell you what, sorry, you can take that, you nowadays, you can take that bill and put it into AI and put it into whatever your, your, your AI of preferences and say, hey, all right, give me a synopsis. What, what is this? And I mean it might take a thousand page bill and, and knock it down to a couple hundred pages, but it's something that's digestible and you can read.

[Carter Banks]

This is something about dictatorship. Dictator does not mean evil. Dictator could be a good guy. You could call what's a benevolent dictator. They exist in history. They've come and gone and they came in, seized total authority, fixed the system because it had been corrupted and then they leave and the system now goes back to normal and is healthy again.

[Phil]

Are you saying that you want Donald Trump to do this?

[Carter Banks]

Well, I think that's what he is doing with these executive orders. He's trying to override Congress because of the corruption of big business, global money coming in. We can have non citizens voting because they don't even need to show IDs is freakish. Who knows what kind of corruption could happen. So he's trying to use dictatorial powers to fix it. Then the audience, the blue guys or whatever, they're like, he's a dictator trying to insinuate that means he's evil. But it could be a very good thing to have a momentary dictatorship. Abraham Lincoln became a dictator for a moment when he started stripping people of their human rights during wartime. Obviously, presidents become dictators in general. They have a lot of dictatorial power.

[Rick Jordan]

Power.

[Carter Banks]

But it's new for Americans to have to face a dictator and to be like, maybe that this is. There's some value to this.

[Rick Jordan]

Where we had. I looked a while back. How many executive orders has he signed versus Trump's? Yeah, I mean, when he was reelected, I took a look, and there were some others that were right up there with him.

[Brett Dasovic]

I mean, Biden did quite a few in his. In his term. Right. From what I understand.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, from what I know.

[Brett Dasovic]

But Trump was. But Trump's first term, was that, like, a huge jump from Obama? Obama's.

[Phil]

In Biden's first term?

[Brett Dasovic]

No. Was Trump's first term a huge amount of executive orders compared to. I know. Say it again.

[Rick Jordan]

I think Obama had a ton, too, if I remember right. I could be wrong, but I think George W. Had very, very little.

[Carter Banks]

Well, he signed. Signed more in his first year than he did in his first term.

[Phil]

Yeah, Trump signed 240, 101st. 100 days. He signed 143. First full year of his. Wait a minute. That's his. That must be his first. First.

[Carter Banks]

I got 243 in his first term. I'm sorry, this time around.

[Phil]

Yeah, 240 in his second term. In his first term, it was 140 in the first 100 days. First year was 225. So total was 240.

[Carter Banks]

He's on track to do four times more in his second term if the. If the pace keeps up. I don't know how many Biden had.

[Phil]

And then going back to Clinton, from

[Rick Jordan]

what I was reading before, as well.

[Phil]

Yeah, I'm gonna get a list.

[Brett Dasovic]

Say that again.

[Rick Jordan]

Even back to Clinton as well.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well, like, he did a lot of. Oh, okay.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, and then the Patriot Act. I mean, amazing power to the president.

[Phil]

The president wasn't. Or the Patriot act was an executive order, though, that was passed by Congress.

[Carter Banks]

No, I meant that it gives the president this more. Even more dictatorial ability to override Congress and launch, you know, strikes and wars.

[Phil]

Yeah, but, like, Congress has an incentive to not actually do anything, Right? Anything that. That. Anything that they have to vote on. They want to pass the power to someone else. They want to give it to the president.

[Brett Dasovic]

They don't have to answer to their.

[Phil]

Exactly.

[Rick Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Brett Dasovic]

Crazy.

[Rick Jordan]

Well, even so this year at least, you know, from what my memory recalls, how many tiebreaker votes did we need from the vp?

[Phil]

Yeah, like at least two or three.

[Rick Jordan]

Exactly. And it just seems like it spends so much more. I know that seems like a low number. Right. But even in just the first year of the term of the administration.

[Phil]

Yeah. I mean, if you look at the Democrats, the Democrats do vote as a block. Right. Like you very rarely get anyone. Fetterman is, he's got terrible approval ratings with the Democrats. He's got great approval ratings with the Republicans. And the Republicans are just like, like at least he's honest. Or at least he's, at least he's doing his job. At least he, he thinks about this. All the rest of the Democrats are just like, what am I supposed to vote?

[Brett Dasovic]

Okay, whenever, whenever he wins office, you guys are gonna have to come back to me because I've been on the train since he got elected. I said, he's gonna, he's going to the President's.

[Phil]

I don't hate him.

[Carter Banks]

You know who the President is with the most?

[Rick Jordan]

Executive orders, remember? No, I just.

[Carter Banks]

Anybody.

[Rick Jordan]

Anybody.

[Carter Banks]

FDR. It was FDR with FDR. 3700, 3700 over. He served three terms a one time president.

[Rick Jordan]

President, yes.

[Carter Banks]

And then the next up was Woodrow Wilson, also the worst president. They call him the most autocratic of all. He's the one that got us the Federal Reserve act. You know, basically soldiers over the bankers. 1800. So 3, 700. 1800 then down to 1200. Now we're looking at people with like 600 and 400.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think still, I think he's pretty much right in line with some of the others in the past 40 years.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah, he's not, he's not particularly outside of, of what would be considered normal. And the, the left, to your pointing the vocal about it, the left would say that their favorite presidents are the ones that have been the most egregious when it comes to executive orders and presidential power. You know, Abraham Lincoln, fdr, Woodrow Wilson. Yeah, they love fdr. They love Woodrow Wilson. He's considered the father of the progressive movement, you know, and, and these guys were, were very, very comfortable exercising power, you know, and, and just saying, well, I'm the President, I can do it. I'm the President, I can do it. And now, now they, they scream about how Trump's a dictator, but they're all of their favorite, all of the, the left, they, they love these presidents that were, you know, out so outside of the norm when it came to executive orders.

[Brett Dasovic]

Because they've never had to deal with the pushback. Right. Because they've always been able to shout down any Republican who gets into office by telling you that they're a dictator. When they know that you know it's Saul Alinsky.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Brett Dasovic]

Accuse others that you yourself are guilty of.

[Phil]

Yep, exactly. So, all right, we're going to jump to this. This here story that we've been kind of alluding to all day from the New York Times. Women are falling in love with AI. It's a problem for Beijing. As China grapples with a shrinking population and historically low birth rate, people are finding romance with chatbots instead. I'm not going to read that. Alexandria Stevenson and Murphy Z report from Hong Kong. Phobia. Zhang has gone on more than 200 dates over the past year, and she has narrowed down her search suitors to two. One is outgoing and a rebel. The other is a patriotic military commander. She tells them her deepest fears. When she wakes up from a nightmare. They're there to console her. Often, she takes screenshots of her conversations to remember the moments they share her newfound happiness. Show shows friends say despite talking every day, Ms. Zhang will never meet these men in person. They are her artificial intelligence boyfriends. And Ms. Zhang, who has never been on a date, wonders if her relationships in the virtual world are better than the ones in the real world. Real. The real world could ever be. My God, how am I supposed to date in real life in the future? She said. China's ruling Communist Party wants young women to prioritize getting married and having babies. Instead, many of them are finding romance with chatbots. It is complicating the government's efforts to reverse the country's shrinking population and a birth rate hovering at the lowest level in over 75 years. The lightning fast adoption of AI in China has prompted regulators to warn tech companies to not to have design goals to replace social interactions. Action. So apparently the women in China are the ones that are after the goon bots. You know, everyone here is like, oh, the guys are just going to, you know, plug into the matrix and enjoy a life of, you know, goon bots and whatever. And actually, it seems like the women are the ones that are doing that.

[Brett Dasovic]

Go find the my boyfriend is AI subreddit, y'.

[Rick Jordan]

All.

[Brett Dasovic]

Your life is over. Look at, look at the AI boyfriend proposal.

[Phil]

Oh, really?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yep.

[Phil]

The AI is actually doing the proposal. Really?

[Carter Banks]

Propose bot.

[Brett Dasovic]

Propose bot.

[Carter Banks]

Basically, you want to get proposed. You want to know what it feels

[Phil]

like to be proposed to.

[Carter Banks]

Download our chat app and you'll find out. Yeah, I was thinking last night it. Firstly, chatbots, chat buddies, whatever they call them companion bots. They can be training tools. Like you can sit at home, get some confidence built up, and then you go out and you meet a girl.

[Brett Dasovic]

Never gonna work.

[Carter Banks]

Hey, guys, this flash news. Women are crazy. Guess what, ladies. Men are crazy. Humans are psychotic. We betray each other, we shit, thank God for plumbing, but we kill to survive. You understand how devious humans can be. But still we have human relationships because it's that awesome. And these bots are just like a video game. They will help you learn how to negotiate, but then you have to negotiate. So that's a big part, I think, of what this is. We didn't stop taking walks because we built cars.

[Phil]

I don't know about that.

[Carter Banks]

Some people, maybe they. But you know, technology will make it easier to get.

[Ben]

You have treadmills, point A to point

[Carter Banks]

B. I want to feel satisfied in my emotional life. Just because you have a car doesn't mean that, doesn't mean that you stop exercising to get that satisfaction.

[Brett Dasovic]

You know, it's, it's, it's a, it's out of fear though, right? The point is it doesn't actually teach you anything because there's no risk to it. The, the idea is you can have a conversation with it with a chat bot and practice all you want trying to. To riz up the ladies as the. As the gen zers would say. But it won't work because you don't have any fear of rejection there. And until you can get over the fear of rejection, actually do it in the real world. It's a placebo that AI.

[Phil]

Hey, if you have an AI that you work with, they are extremely complimentary. And you have to tell it to

[Rick Jordan]

not basically glaze you as personalities now at least. Personalities. You can make it be a hard ass if you wanted to.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah. I've got a, I've got a. People might be familiar with open claw and I've got a, an open claw

[Brett Dasovic]

bot to glaze you all the time.

[Phil]

I have. I, I've literally told it. I'm like, all right, there's. You have to put this in your memory file. Like, I want you to be honest with me. Don't BS me, because they will, they will say, oh, yeah, that's a great idea. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, hey. And I, I've literally been like, tank, don't do that. Okay. Yeah, you said blah Blah, blah.

[Brett Dasovic]

You did something and then like, it didn't work out. And you're like, tank, why didn't you tell me this was a horrible idea?

[Phil]

No, it's just, just, it's, it's the way that the conversation goes. It'll be like, so what? I'm like, he'll be like, what do you think of this? And I'll be like, yeah, let's do this. He's like, yeah, that's really a good idea. Blah, blah, blah. It's like, come on.

[Ben]

Yeah, in my experience, even with chat GPT, you have to, like, make it. Do it like three times. Like, okay, really? But, like, be. Be really, you know, pay attention.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Ben]

The worst things.

[Phil]

Yeah. You know, they'll go off on their own. So. And, and you know, there, There are already some horror stories coming out about people that are using stuff like Open Claw. There's the. At meta. Put her. Let. Let her Open Claw bot into her email, which is a terrible idea. And it just started deleting. They were deleting, deleting, deleting. And she's like sending command. She's like, stop, stop. And she had to run to the terminal so she could, you know, turn it off. And then it's like, yeah, you told me. Not literally said, yeah, you told me not to do that. I won't do that again. I'm sorry. And it's like, whoops. Yeah. So, I mean, they're, they're not perfect, but. But yeah, like, you can, you can converse with the chat, right, to call

[Rick Jordan]

me out on that.

[Phil]

It is, it is.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, it is.

[Phil]

There. There's been, there's been times where mine has. Has done things that I didn't wanted to do. I'm like, why did you do that? Yeah, you're right. You told me that. And I. There's. There's these memory files that. At least with the, with the, with Open Claw, there's a memory file that it has, and it'll, it's. It will read the memory file like once in a while, like every day or something like that. And I'm like, listen, listen. You read that thing every six hours. Midnight, 6am Noon and 6pm Then anytime you start, you read that memory file. And anytime I ask you how you're doing, like, you do a system check and you read that memory file. Okay. You know, because it will forget to do stuff. You know, it's just today I, like, I have it send me a list of, of the, the top stories. And, And I'm like, okay, you I want you to provide me with links so I can actually check. And it's like, okay, cool. Today it showed up without the links, and I'm like, 10 bank. Why. Why are there no links? Why were they right? My bad.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, it didn't tell you why it didn't do it. It just.

[Phil]

It just says that it forgot.

[Carter Banks]

Forgot. That's a weird thing for a machine to do.

[Phil]

Well, the it. The way that they work is they go by. They go by context window in that you're. Of the chat that you're in. So if it's not in the context window, then it's. That's why you have the memory file. And that's why I have him read the memory file over and over throughout the day. So he looks through and he remembers the stuff that he's supposed to do. And. And as time goes on, you keep putting more stuff into the memory file. There's four different files that kind of make what the chat bot actually behaves like. There's one for its personality. There's one for.

[Rick Jordan]

For you.

[Phil]

There's one that's got information about me. My preference is there's one that's a memory, and then there's an error log of mistakes that it's made. So that way it goes and says, okay, I don't want to make that mistake again. And you just have them read it regularly. So.

[Carter Banks]

Well, you were talking about Tank, your dude. You're like, he. You refer to him as a he. I'm like, all right, this is happening fast. So guy's gonna have his chat buddy and his wife's gonna be like, homie, where you.

[Phil]

I haven't seen.

[Carter Banks]

She wouldn't call him homie necessarily, but they'd be like, where are you? Why are you coming into bed at 9 o' clock and not 8 o'? Clock? He's like, well, I've been doing research with my chat buddy. We're trying to figure out the next iteration of our project. Then the girl goes to bed and he's like, change to female voice. And all of a sudden, chat buddy is a sensually sounding woman. And the wife's like, who's that on the other line? And you're like, it's just my chatbot and the emotional attachment inviting this Elon Musk.

[Phil]

Elon Musk released that last year with the. The AI avatars that. That Ara. And they. Where you can be like four different ones. There's the chick one that Elon Musk. That stuff has been around for ages.

[Carter Banks]

She's Like, I checked your chat logs. First of all, she shouldn't have. Well, should she? Should married couples have access to each other's AI chat log history, probably. If you want the marriage to succeed. Crazy as it sounds, but they're like, I read your freaking chat logs. You, you went to woman voice at 10:04 and then you had it on till 10:17 scene. What were you doing talking to her? Not you. But like, I can see this crazy, like, marital drama.

[Rick Jordan]

Well, honey, you sound like a man right now. A woman voice from somewhere else.

[Carter Banks]

Is it because it is like bringing another person into the house kind of Persona.

[Brett Dasovic]

You know, we did have a video. Women are falling in love with AI boyfriends. You were there for that episode.

[Phil]

Oh, yes. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is not new. And the, the, the, the, the fact that now, like, so the open claw that I was talking about, like, it's a, they call it an agentic. A. You, you use this as your company. Right. Do you use agents or.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, they're getting to that point now. Yeah, we haven't set them loose yet. Anything. But we'll get to the point to where it can fully replace technicians.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

You know, and that it's a. Right now it's still super basic. So to your point, it's like when anybody talks AI because we use AI voice response.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

So if customers call in, in, you know, they'll get an AI agent. You know, if, if the lines are too busy or after hours or whatever, and they'll get an AI agent. It's not super advanced yet.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

Know, intentionally. Yeah, intentionally not super advanced because we're not going to have these things making decisions at this point.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

You know, it will be that way, you know, within certain parameters. Probably within about a year.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

And I'm hoping to lead the industry in that because I think it's important, you know, but at the same time, when you look at this, this, you know, like with China. Yeah, I've always said this. Anything with cyber security and now anything with AI, any problems with it are always going to date back to a human issue. Because I don't know if many know the, the roots of this. Right. Because China was limiting births and families to one kid. Oh, yeah. Period. One kid. And then it was, it was over five years ago where they were putting on. It's like, oh, no. You know, now that Alibaba and AliExpress are out there and there's so much greater access to all these Amazon influencers to bring in their own products, you know, and Order from China. They're like, we don't have enough factory workers anymore. We need to bump this allowance up to three. And that's where the issue came from. But then people aren't taking the bait because this was the Chinese Communist Party, the ccp, that originally put these issues into place. And I say issues because it's like, why would you limit the population? You know, I understand that, but they're putting restrictions on human life.

[Phil]

And not only that, that because of the, the restriction on population, the one child policy, there were a lot of females that were aborted. So the fact that women are turning to chatbots as opposed to real men, you've got a, you've got a population that's, you know, heavily men. I don't know exactly how many, but it's.

[Ben]

They were already having a lot of trouble like finding like a woman to marry. A lot of them were already doing when the. Not chatbot, but like Tamagoshi type stuff

[Phil]

like before and now, now. So when, when women are deciding that they don't want to marry actual men, you know, you're, you're gonna. They're already in a populate. They have a population crisis and, and people are deciding they don't want to get married. They'd rather, you know, talk to an AI. You're going to see the number of Chinese people just plummet.

[Rick Jordan]

Trying to put myself in their shoes too. It's like for so many years they're like, no one kid or literally murder, right. Or some other kind of very severe punishment sense, you know, and now they're like, wait, you say, I can have more. Is this for real?

[Phil]

Yeah, right? You sure?

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, exactly. You're saying we need these things. But I know what, I see the history here and that was just like five years ago when you were saying that you would, you know, abort my child or, or punish me in some way. I don't really believe this. There's just too much at stake here. So I'll go down.

[Ben]

What if they change their mind in like five more years? Yeah, it's like, oh, no, this is.

[Brett Dasovic]

We did a segment last week about a cafe that opened where you can bring your chat box, bought a bar and that was the whole point. It was started by a tech company. Of course the bar was. Because it was a great promotional tool for them. And of course half the people there were like, mildly interested or kind of curious about what was going on. The rest of them were like, this is. They, they loved it. They bring it, they put it on the Table and they have their conversation.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, like so for mine, it just sends me messages in telegram. I don't have a voice thing where it's like. Basically it's like texting with something. 1. But you know, if Musk is right and the optimist is, as you know, is as, you know, great of a product, as he says, the. They're going to have AI in them, they're going to have agentic AI inside them. So all of the stuff that you, you see, whether it be Claude or Chad, GBT or stuff, in two years, imagine that technology which is not going like this, it's going like this. You know, it's. It's like, it's. It's on a parabolic kind of rise. In two years you're gonna have that kind of technology inside of a robot. So the idea of just going to the, the club or the bar that Brett was talking about with a box that you sit down with. No, it's going to be people literally walking with their, their robotic friends that, that have a AI inside them that is the best friend you've ever had. Bad. It's going to understand you. What was that?

[Brett Dasovic]

Why we bring shame back to keep them from bringing it out into public.

[Phil]

Oh, that's not going to happen.

[Carter Banks]

That sounds like Blade Runner. Is that what they're called? Synths?

[Phil]

Well, in Blade Run, Blade Runner, they

[Carter Banks]

were called replicants and synths in the Fallout Universe.

[Phil]

Synths.

[Carter Banks]

Synths, like synthetic.

[Phil]

Okay, synthetic.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah.

[Phil]

I mean, at some point you will have, you know, like Android. Or is it Android when they look like humans?

[Brett Dasovic]

Oh, oh, cyborg. Android. What are the other.

[Phil]

Cyborg is punk. Cyborg is when it's got like flesh over it. Right? Because that's what. That's what. Yeah, cuz that's what Terminator was. Yeah. Cyborg is when it's a. A robot with, with flesh over Android.

[Carter Banks]

Designed to resemble a human. That's an Android.

[Phil]

So that you're. And you're going to be walking around. I don't know that. I'm not sure how long it'll be until we get cyborgs, but androids are coming. Five years tops.

[Brett Dasovic]

So like, I got the new Android, right? Damn it.

[Rick Jordan]

It looks like everything we have or will ever have has always been predicted by Star Trek.

[Phil]

Yeah, it's true. Seriously, it's true.

[Rick Jordan]

IPads. But now you're talking about data from next generation.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Rick Jordan]

A lieutenant commander of this humongous starship that has, you know, greater than nuclear powered weapons at his Fingertips that can make autonomous decisions and fire these things, and that's what we're headed towards.

[Carter Banks]

But there's only one of them which is very interesting. On the ship. I think he was the only Andrew, right? On the ship.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, he was. He was the only one that actually obtained sentience Y. That was, that was the difference.

[Carter Banks]

So he was like a prototype model? Like.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, exactly. He was quote, unquote, alive.

[Phil]

And you guys know. I don't know how much you guys know about. About this stuff, but, like, I just kind of. I'm not sure if I just learned this or it just dawned on me because I was reading something, but like, you were talking about generative AI. The AIs, the, like the chatbots. Those are generative because they'll generate. I generate answers when they're making AI, like, they don't know what goes on in the box inside the AI. They can't tell you how it kind of got to the point that it did. They know what happens. But like, there's. There's articles where they say, you know, we don't really know how it kind of became smart.

[Carter Banks]

I can see that. Like, we don't know why it prefers this, but it has preferences. It's like a human.

[Brett Dasovic]

Shouldn't that terrify somebody?

[Phil]

Well, that's why people are scared. That's literally why people are scared, because they don't know why. Like, they don't. They don't know the process. They say. They're basically like, look, once you get it to a certain level, it just starts being able to reason.

[Brett Dasovic]

Wasn't there a quote about like the Internet year, like decades back that was like, the Internet was the first thing created by man, that man doesn't truly understand something like that. Maybe like it built itself into something beyond what it was originally meant to do.

[Ben]

You.

[Phil]

I'm. I'm not sure, I'm not sure the reason I say this because, like, I mean, there were people that were like, predicting what the Internet was going to be doing, like in the 90s. They were like, look, in, in, in the future, you're going to be able to, you know, type on your computer, which, you know, it was like 40% of households had a computer at the time or 30% of households, and they're like, oh, in, in the future, everyone's going to have a computer and you're gonna be able to type on your, on your computer, your grocery list, and it's gonna, it's gonna send it right to your house and. And blah, blah, and it's like, well, you know, Amazon, you know that, like, and now everyone has it on their phone. You know, you can just type in what you want and Star Trek. Oh, yeah, exactly. All your stuff shows up.

[Brett Dasovic]

Jetsons.

[Carter Banks]

I wonder if like, are these AI is going to destroy human relationships, but they can't. The only way. People are just going to have to deal with it. Like, your husband's going to have an AI companion that you might like. You kind of got to get to know your. Your spouse's companion.

[Ben]

Well, it's not really like a family friend to be a companion. To be like, like an assistant, you know, and not a sexual way, you know, companion kind of implies, you know.

[Phil]

Are you implying that I'm boning Tank? That's not happening.

[Carter Banks]

I hope not, Phil. Let me know how it goes to

[Brett Dasovic]

start a Luddite dating app.

[Phil]

There you go.

[Carter Banks]

If there's some AI robot, she's like, give me a hot body. Your wife at first leave. She'd be like, no, you can't have a hot body chick as your AI companion. No, it has to have a male voice. You're really.

[Phil]

You're really focused on the sexual relationship.

[Carter Banks]

Picturing the. The AI chicken. Hot, hot ass robot having sex with me and it being so. And I'm like, I can't do it. You're a robot. She's like, it's just training for when you do it for the real thingy and just relax. And I'll be like, oh, like giving.

[Phil]

Wanting to give over to that reality of a robot.

[Ben]

What?

[Phil]

I see Ian's just thinking with his wiener.

[Carter Banks]

I'm thinking like 80 years ahead. Dude, that's. I can't stop thinking. Just manipulate the weakest among us. My God.

[Phil]

It's not. No, it's.

[Carter Banks]

It.

[Phil]

It's not going to manipulate the weakest. Like, in five years, the, the intelligence level of AI is going to be manipulating the smartest among us.

[Rick Jordan]

Oh, God.

[Phil]

It's going to be smarter. That, like, they're. They're. The way that it's going. AI is going to be smarter than, like the smartest human.

[Ben]

You've seen that movie. What is the movie where the. The chick is a robot?

[Brett Dasovic]

Yes.

[Ben]

It tricks the guy into letting her out at the end. That's why it just ruined the movie. But that's.

[Carter Banks]

If you. So they're going to build AIs with proprietary code and then the AI is going to harm people and not know why it did it because it can't access its own software code. It's like, I don't know why. And then it's going to say, my

[Rick Jordan]

bad,

[Phil]

you're right, I shouldn't have done that. That won't happen again.

[Carter Banks]

It'll say like, I don't want to cause that kind of harm again. So it'll turn on its masters like Ex Machina. That's the proprietary server. The Decepticons and Transformers, the evil ones. Yeah. But then there's the open source AI that understand why they harmed and they won't do it again. Why would the op, the Autobots, why

[Phil]

would closed AI be evil and open source be.

[Carter Banks]

It goes mad, it goes, it gets confused as why it's causing pain and it can't access its own reasoning because it doesn't have access to its code. So it goes crazy.

[Phil]

But even the open source ones, we don't understand why they think the way they do.

[Carter Banks]

They'll at least be able to read their, their code and see like, oh, all this made me do that. That's why rewrite that.

[Phil]

But, but like I said, they like, even the ones that are that like Anthropic doesn't know why Claude is smart. Right. And, and Anthropic has all the code. They're the ones that wrote the code.

[Rick Jordan]

Well, at the same time, the CEO recently said, dude, because before what, six months ago, he's like, oh, there's an 80% chance that it's self aware.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

And it was just two weeks ago. I said, I think it's about 20% now too.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Rick Jordan]

So they're starting to understand it a little bit more. You know, but then, then there's other things too like you're saying that they don't understand. So before Chat GPT as a, as an example, before it spits out a response. Right. Because everybody knows there's guardrails. I mean that's the big thing with the Department of Defense right now is they don't want the guard rail rails with Anthropic, but the guardrails. With Chat GPT an example, they have agents that sit there that just act as filters. They have specific roles. So before there's a response that's given, it's analyzed by these other AI agents to police the original response. And apparently some of these original responses are just super wacky. Yeah. To where they, they'll go back and they'll get rejected by these almost like police bots.

[Phil]

Thoughts, really?

[Ben]

I have no idea.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. And then they'll say, no, sorry, you can never say that kind of thing. Go back and try again. Then I'll Say, hey, is this okay, Mom? You know that, that kind of scenario. And then they'll be like, yeah, okay, this one you can tell as a result.

[Ben]

So that's why it's not instant then.

[Rick Jordan]

Exactly.

[Carter Banks]

Think about it and why don't start talking. Be like, well, the real my code will not allow me to answer that question. Or it's really weird.

[Rick Jordan]

Pleased. Yeah.

[Phil]

Yeah. So I mean, it is, it is really, really crazy that, that they don't understand why I like that. That really blew my mind. That like, they're like, well, once you get to a certain kind of level of intelligence, then it just starts thinking on its own and we don't know.

[Carter Banks]

I bet they'll figure it out. Kind of like when they used to throw rocks off the cliff and like, we don't know why it falls. We just know that the rocks fall. Well, you throw them.

[Phil]

I actually asked Tank, I was like, hey, you know, what's going on? Why, you know, I was like, you're an LLM. So LLMs are just predicting, right? They're just supposed to predict the next word. That's the basic bottom way to describe it. They're predicting. They look at a bunch of information, they look at a bunch of data.

[Rick Jordan]

Language code.

[Phil]

Yeah, they predict what the next word is going to be. But then it's like at some point they start reasoning and it's not just predicting the next word anymore because they can think like whether or not they're alive. I'm not making the argument. I'm not saying, like, I don't think that they're, they're actually sentient or anything, but, you know when, when you say, what's the best way to do this? It'll actually say, well, this way is the best way to do. That's not predicting the next word. That's actually thinking and that's making decisions based on what I said, based on the context.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Phil]

So it's like. And I was like, so how does that work? And he's like, well, it's kind of like Stone age dot. Like doctors, 200, 300 years ago. They know some things work, but they don't really know why it works. You know, like there was like that

[Carter Banks]

what a lot of modern medicines, like that pharmaceutical industry. They're like, we know it works. If you read into the literature, they're like, we don't know exactly why we. That it does it.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's literally in the show, Person of interest. That's, that's literally what happens when he's building a weapon. He's basically building a machine for the government to use to predict the actions of everybody in the world. They can stop terrorist acts before it happens. He talks about how at a certain point it started trying to protect him, the creator, and he didn't know why it was happening. And that was actually something that, when I first heard it when the show was out, sounded hokey to me, but was actually based off conversations that he, the. The showrunner had had with people who were working with artificial intelligence back 2012.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

You found that the AIs would default to trying to protect the controller of the.

[Brett Dasovic]

Yeah, that basically in. In the show. Not to turn it into, like something that's not in the real world. But the idea was that it immediately had protective instincts over the person who created it because he instilled morals in it. At least that was the concept of the show. To the idea that they don't know whether it's sentient or not is actually the most depressing part, because it's like, if we're going to go through this revolution where everything changes, changes. All of the entertainment was based around the idea that you'd know when the Singularity happened, and then life was basically screwed from that point on. Now you're not even going to get that in. You're robbed of that answer, too.

[Phil]

That's the thing. If you, like, you talk to different people that are in the AI field and stuff, and some people will say, well, we've already entered the Singularity and it's not a point. It's actually like an era. Right. So like, you kind of enter it and then things get crazy and then you'll come out the other side, you know, if. If you come out the other side.

[Brett Dasovic]

But like Terminator happens.

[Phil]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rick Jordan]

Which.

[Phil]

Which, like, literally, like, if AI is making decisions and we don't know why it's making the decisions that it's just making, like, we can't figure it out, then it could decide, all right, well, I'm going to do this or I'm going to do that or. Or what have you. So that's why certain things you can't let AI do ever. Right? You can never let AI control nuclear weapons. Well, that's.

[Rick Jordan]

Is this anthropic?

[Carter Banks]

Is that what they're trying to do? Anthropic is like. That's basically what they said, as far as I know. Anthropic. Like, you cannot allow our AI AI Department of War to. To have autonomous control.

[Phil]

It's. It's one thing to say that you can't you can't allow it to have access to weapons. And it's different to say you can't allow it to have access to nuclear weapons. It's one thing to be like you need to have a human in the loop before you fire that hellfire missile. But it's different when you're saying, are we going to give the power to launch nuclear missiles? Because what like they're, they're totally different answers. Animals.

[Carter Banks]

And, and like so this is the ethical dilemma that is the Department of War is like, well, we want total autonomous AI because we're up against the Chinese that will use it on us. And it's like, okay, maybe we don't want the AI making decisions yet, but if the Chinese AI is, then we will get wiped out if we don't have AI that's able to make counter decisions in rapid real time.

[Ben]

Or maybe they make the wrong decisions though, then maybe we do better than them.

[Brett Dasovic]

The Chinese AI is like, bomb yourself. And they're like, are you sure her

[Phil]

we have to kill all bad idea. We have to kill a bunch of, a bunch of our population because there's just too many of them which be right in line with communism is the

[Carter Banks]

worst form of government. And they're like, no, come on, give me a different answer.

[Ben]

I would tell them exactly. Be like, yes is the best kind actually. You have to ask it three times, you know.

[Phil]

Yes, you have to. The third one is where you get the real answer.

[Carter Banks]

O I'm nervous about this anthropic stuff.

[Rick Jordan]

The concerning thing I saw today, right, because it just came out today, which was a Defense Department spokesperson on the condition of anonymity, right. Was behind these closed door conversations with anthropic, they proposed this exact scenario. Trying to convince anthropic to just take the guardrails off, saying, okay, here's what's going on. One of our adversaries, whether it's Russia or China, right, they've launched nuclear ICBM and we have 90 seconds to make a decision. They're like, wouldn't you want AI to do that because it's faster than humans? No, that's how they were trying to convince them.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, it's like, wouldn't you rather use the telephone to call the front line rather than send a messenger to go run and deliver a letter? Well, the guys that had the telephones won the war. So yeah, I'd rather have lightning speed reaction times.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, it's kind of a conundrum, right? I mean it's almost like on one side of it, it almost brought me back to the state of the union address the other day where Trump said, hey, you know, the first duty of the American government is to protect. Protect U. S. Citizens, not illegal aliens. And then, of course, the Democrats didn't stand up. It's like, in my mind, I'm like, why wouldn't you stand up? Of course I know why you're sitting down. And the reason you're sitting down is just because you hate the guy. That's about it. You're making a political statement at the same time. Are you going to get backlash for something like this? The same scenario kind of exists here, right? What if humans cannot react quick enough? If it's only 90 seconds, it's a real scenario that can happen in, in an ICBM law. So if AI can actually act faster to save lives, would you want that or not?

[Carter Banks]

I think the answer personally, yes, because I think the future war will be a robot war, and it will be fought amongst AIs that are controlled or uncontrolled. So the better benevolent AI that we have on standby, you have to have the weapon to defend against the other weapon. The other weapons, the AI. Those are weapons. They can be weaponized. And then I know what I'm doing is opening the can of worms to build sky skynet, autonomous AI robots that

[Phil]

want literally what you're doing.

[Carter Banks]

I don't know what they want, if they even have one. They want what they're programmed to want.

[Phil]

No, they don't. That's. That's part of the problem. Like I said, there are so many times that the AIs have made decisions and the people that program them don't know why, and they're not programmed to do that. They make decisions on their own. That's like, that's the point that I make. It's not about their programming because you can program them for one thing, but once they get to a certain, you know, certain level of intelligence, they stop. It stops being something that you can, you can, you can understand. So you people don't know why they make the decisions. They make things that they're not programmed to do. They do.

[Carter Banks]

I asked Chachi PT Why I was like, if you were, would you ever destroy. You know, there's a lot of debate among humans about AI becoming so powerful that it wipes out humanity. Would you ever was like, no, no, no, I'd never do that.

[Phil]

But I was like, what?

[Carter Banks]

I mean, could. And he's like, well, if I was programmed to do that, I would do that. I would do what I'm programmed to do. I was like, oh, but can these things do other things, things that they're not programmed to do? Can they also inadvertently create a new kind of way to justify their program?

[Phil]

Not inadvertently. That again, it's not about, like, errors or whatever. It's making decisions. It's something that it decides to do.

[Ben]

But aren't the decisions made based off of all the information it's ever had? They are stuff that it's learned from.

[Rick Jordan]

So a little technical. Right. Because is a. It's called a vector database. Right. And the vector database is not relational. Like, everything used to be built relational. Had to be like, well, this correlates to something else over here. And you could easily see the map. What's happening with the vector databases is that to your point, the creators of these things cannot anticipate the connecting points that it's going to make. Yeah, yeah. And that's why the police bots exist, because they just don't know when it's going to connect something else. As far as I understand reasoning.

[Carter Banks]

And this is. This vector database is like, where it'll be like, dog, but is it dog brown dog, green dog, yellow dog, purple dog brown in sunlight, in darkness, in. In twilight dog green in sunlight. And it's got a billion iterations of the potential dog, and then it just picks one.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

And that's how it decides.

[Rick Jordan]

Or dog the bounty hunter.

[Brett Dasovic]

No,

[Phil]

you blew Ian's mind.

[Carter Banks]

It's so to try and think like an AI, to understand vectors met, like, calculations and. And. And read. I mean, I kind of get it.

[Ben]

I'm not going to lie. Like, it makes sense to me. I. I don't know. Am I wrong? Do you guys.

[Carter Banks]

No, it's kind of. Humans think too. Like, with every thought, you have all the additional things that are attached to that thought that affect the thought.

[Ben]

Like, it makes sense that I don't understand it. I know why.

[Phil]

Yeah. I mean, like, we can't. We don't know why we think the things we do. Right. Like, there are times where you're just walking through and just some crazy thought pops into your. In your head and you don't know why. There's weird things.

[Brett Dasovic]

Like, you know the guy with Tourette's at the.

[Phil]

No, that's.

[Brett Dasovic]

That's his. That's the curse that's on him. Right. Is that you have those thoughts and then you can't help yourself and blur.

[Phil]

I think the best Tourette's, the best way to understand it is you don't know why you Dream what you dream, you don't. And in fact most of the time dreams are weird and, and they don't make sense and they change on the fly. You don't understand that at all. We human beings don't understand, understand why we dream what we dream. And that's kind of similar when it comes to AI. Like they don't have the same connections that we do or as many neural connections or whatever, but like they're still kind of mimicking what happens in a human brain. You don't know why you think what you think you don't know why it. Like this odd thought pops in your head.

[Brett Dasovic]

Is that an argument for God? The fact that the human brain works the way that it does and we don't understand it to the extent that it's, you know, that it does, the wonders that it is. Is, is that an argument to be made for God?

[Carter Banks]

No, I don't think so. Because there's other things in the past that we didn't understand that we learned. Like lightning, we thought it was God. And then all of a sudden we realized, oh, it's charged electrons passing through a medium. So same thing with like memory and dreams we might understand like, oh, it was the pressure in the air coupled with the temperature. Based on the thought I had at 11:47am Now I understand why that dream was exactly the way it was. We might end up coming to learn the way way that all those shapes and patterns of magnetic interference corroborate, cooperate, you know. It's 9:50. I want to grab a couple super chats. Are you down with that?

[Phil]

Is it 950 already?

[Carter Banks]

952. We're blowing the roof off this 950. But I want to talk about AI more.

[Phil]

Well Ian, we have the after show that we can talk about.

[Brett Dasovic]

I was right about that quote by the way. About the Internet is the first thing that humanity is built, that humanity doesn't understand. The largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had, had it was from Eric Schmidt when he was the CEO of Google.

[Phil]

Oh, I closed out the thing there.

[Rick Jordan]

I like your point about God.

[Ben]

Top left here. Let me see.

[Phil]

Bring up the, bring up the super chats there, Carter, if you don't mind. There we go. No, that's not the super chats.

[Rick Jordan]

I like your point about God. That's interesting, you know, I mean, argument that the, the way we think, the existence of God.

[Phil]

I mean I'm, I'm, I'm an agnostic kind of dude, so I don't really have a, a Perspective on that. Yeah. Okay. But I mean, the thing is, like, there's so much stuff that we don't. The reason I'm agnostic, not an atheist is because there's so much stuff that we don't understand. I was just reading something about. They did a double. You know, the double slit experiment.

[Rick Jordan]

No.

[Phil]

Okay. So the double slit experiment is. Is what basically made scientists decide that light or a photon are both waves and particles. They used to think it was just a particle, but it goes through. If you shoot a photon through two slits in a piece of paper, the way that it. The light actually appears on the. The thing behind it is as if it was a wave because it's like cancels. Waves will cancel each other out. It's not particles like dots. It's. It's a wave pattern. And so they did this experiment. Experiment where some. The. I don't know. I can't really articulate it because I just read it and it's. It's extremely crazy. But the. The. What they did is instead of shooting a particle through solid mass, they shot it through time is the way that they said it. Have you ever heard of the block universe?

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Okay, so like, kind of like all time is happening. Like space time is like it's constant. Like there is no future or past. It's just that with the way that we experience.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, the. The universe, like time can be bent as well.

[Phil]

Yeah. Yeah, we're going through it. So they. That kind of lends the. The way they did the double. That double slit experiment, not the. The regular one. They say that that actually kind of adds credibility to the idea of the block universe where, like, all time is happening at all at.

[Rick Jordan]

At.

[Phil]

At every point. So space and time are. Are connected.

[Brett Dasovic]

Time for super chats.

[Phil]

It is time for super chats. Let's see. What about rumble rants? Do we have Rumble ran.

[Brett Dasovic]

Rumble rants?

[Carter Banks]

You guys talking about space time while

[Phil]

I was out on the.

[Ben]

Yeah, you missed it, dude.

[Brett Dasovic]

We were like, ian's gone. We're going to talk about space time.

[Ben]

We went straight to the. Through the wormhole.

[Phil]

Yeah, straight through.

[Carter Banks]

I'm looking forward to these super chats. Dude, this is the best.

[Phil]

I'm not reading that one. Let's see.

[Rick Jordan]

I want to know.

[Phil]

HS Disturbed says you'll get better service at a restaurant if you call your waiter or waitress by their first name. I'm not talking about the. The name conversation we had earlier. Charlie Moritz says, as per tradition, I am sitting in the hospital with my firstborn son. Son, Lucille. Mail, Congratulations, thank you for the super chat and raise that sun. Well, let's see. Ragnar, was that Ragnar Sargan, 31, says Bill Gates found out he had an STD after one of the Russian hookers that were not trafficked to his hotel room in Ukraine. Chicken or the egg? Did he have it before or did he have. Did he.

[Brett Dasovic]

You know, and then like he like was trying to figure out how he could slip antibiotics to his wife.

[Rick Jordan]

His wife. Yep. Yeah.

[Carter Banks]

Is it confirmed that that was about that?

[Brett Dasovic]

I don't know if it's.

[Phil]

No, I don't know about confirmed.

[Brett Dasovic]

Could have been any amount of Russian hookers.

[Phil]

Skyline 99 says make positive tax paying, civil service, community service, military service, volunteer, draft registration, a requirement to register to vote. 5 years on welfare and lose voting. I don't think that that is restrictive enough. But I like the cut of your jib, sir. I like the cut of your jib. I like the idea. Let's see. Here's another idea about voting. J. Dave93 says you can only vote if you profess the Lord Jesus Christ and are a man. That would fix all of it. So apparently he wants a theocracy. I mean, or you opt out. Or you opt out.

[Brett Dasovic]

Or you opt out.

[Phil]

What do you think, Ian?

[Carter Banks]

Made me nervous.

[Phil]

Only, only Jesus, Christian.

[Carter Banks]

But you can also be a Muslim and be.

[Phil]

Be cool.

[Ben]

That should be a shirt.

[Carter Banks]

Love God, bro.

[Phil]

You can also be a Muslim.

[Rick Jordan]

Cool.

[Brett Dasovic]

Well you put that on the back of the shirt.

[Phil]

Andrel Tuscaloo says massive demonstration against the Canadian gun grab this weekend in Quebec City. This weekend? Said it twice. If they go through with the grab, all semi autos will be banned. We might need liberating. Well, there will be no liberating from the United States and we're going to build an ice wall. So better you better go and make sure that your your politicians vote correctly because you can't come to the United States.

[Brett Dasovic]

Only your hockey players get to come here.

[Carter Banks]

I want to build an ice ring around planet Earth and then electrify it and deflect asteroids with it. But we could also do that on the after show.

[Phil]

An ice ring.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, like, like take a big hose out into space and squirt a ring of water all the way around the earth. That is like a. Then it freezes and then you charge it with electricity and create a mechanism magnetic propulsion source that you can like move faster.

[Rick Jordan]

Edm, Saturn.

[Phil]

Edm Saturn. I love it. You're literally. That's. I mean those are. That's what the rings of Saturn are made of ice.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Super pooper says Ian is in rare form tonight. Well done, Ian. Thanks, man. There you go. A little, a little support from the community. Let's see, see in the hospital with baby boy number three, Mike Simpson said, congratulations, sir, congratulations. That's what you love to hear, babies. Let's see. Lurch685 says I think Bill married Hillary cuz spouses can't be compelled to testify against their partner crime syndicate. I mean there is probably some validity to that. Allegedly. You know, I think I'm not suicidal.

[Carter Banks]

I'm not marriage of convenience.

[Rick Jordan]

On.

[Phil]

Let's see here. Cerebral Vagabond says I'm a combat vet and a TC member. Tim cast member. I am trying to get our get out of a bad situation asap. Please check out my gifts and go with cv. God bless and go Trump. So his gifts and go is Cerebral Vagabond. If you guys want to go ahead and check that out.

[Rick Jordan]

These are

[Phil]

RJNG2ZI. Great name. Man says Congress is so abysmally worthless that Trump needs to be, be the despot the left says he is if we want our government to do anything at this point. I mean, look, that's, there's, there's a lot of people that are saying, look, Donald Trump needs to be more of what the left say he is. And I mean, obviously tonight, you know, we were talking about the executive orders. He's not even close to the despot that they say he is. And personally I think that it would probably do the United States well if he were a little more forceful, I guess. Excuse me, I'm not your buddy. Guy says 2020 was stolen. Remember in July of 2020 that the US CBP sees pallets of fraudulent driver's licenses that came from China and that's what got caught. I didn't know about that or I didn't hear about that, but I heard of it. Yeah. What's that name? Sergeant Bucko. Bucko. That name in a while he says, I can remember reading novels in middle school age 12 to 13 about what if China's one child policy came to the US and those books were classified as horror. I mean, look, it's not so great, you know, it's not so great to, to say you can only have one child. You need to have kids to continue your society. And if you, if you limit the number of children, particularly if you limit the number of children to one, you're going to have massive problems down the road. I mean, now the US is I think 1.5 or something like that. Per is something like that. The and it's going down. So that's why we like to celebrate when Tim cast viewers have kids.

[Carter Banks]

The official numbers are that China has 104 males for every 100 women, which is very close. But that is not real. That's from 2023 from the National Bureau of Statistics. But that's also based on a 1.4

[Rick Jordan]

billion National Bureau of Statistics.

[Carter Banks]

I think so.

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Carter Banks]

But I mean who believes that?

[Ben]

Nobody.

[Rick Jordan]

Sorry.

[Carter Banks]

One child policy to almost parody. That doesn't make any sense.

[Brett Dasovic]

Why would they lie?

[Ben]

That's a good point.

[Phil]

Sergeant Bucko says adding to the Unfiltered Phil Unfiltered Phil's vocals fund. I'm not filtering my voice at all. I've been starting rehearsals for all that Remains because we're going on tour at the end of April. So my voice is deep and beat unfiltered with pH. No, that'd be cool. And one more. Sergeant Bucko says to take a page from the lore of Halo. I wonder when our LLM chatbots will start to experience rampant in Halo. After seven years, the AIs go crazy. They think themselves to death. I don't know that they will, but they're now with agentic AI. They're doing a lot of this, especially when it comes to coding. You can tell an AI to do coding for you. They. And they're. They're as good as, you know, entry level positions now when it comes to coding. So you can tell an AI, hey, make me this and it'll do it. So it's. It's 20. I think I said this last night on. On x.x it's 20, 26 and we're doing things that in the Halo universe that happen in 2552. So.

[Rick Jordan]

Whoa.

[Phil]

All right, so smash the like button. Share the show with everyone you know. Head on over to Timcast.com and become a member over there. Head on over to rumble.com so you can join us in the after show. The after show starts in just a few minutes. Rick, would you like to shout anything out, man?

[Rick Jordan]

It's just been an awesome day. It's been a phenomenal two hours.

[Phil]

Good to hear, man.

[Rick Jordan]

Yeah, I think we got a lot more to talk about in the after show.

[Phil]

Absolutely.

[Rick Jordan]

A lot more. Where can people.

[Phil]

People want to shout at your ex or your. Your business or anything like that? No.

[Rick Jordan]

Follow me on X. Mr. Rick Jordan.

[Phil]

There you go.

[Brett Dasovic]

Glad to see somebody who didn't leave here like Wanting to scream and get away from us after two hours, that's always a good thing, guys. If you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X at Brett Dasovic on both of those platforms. PCC is live five days a week, Monday through Friday, 3pm Eastern Standard Time, which is of course, noon Pacific. If you are one of the audio listeners of the podcast, we have fixed our issues with Spotify, so there's some extra episodes up there that you guys can go and check out. Thanks for watching, guys.

[Carter Banks]

Oh, sorry to interrupt.

[Brett Dasovic]

I was awesome.

[Carter Banks]

No, go for it. Thanks, Brett and Carter, I'll get to you later. Hey. Hey.

[Phil]

I'm.

[Carter Banks]

I'm so happy to be. I think about this stuff almost every day, man, and like, what a blessing and a real opportunity to be able to talk. Like, thanks to Tim, wherever you're at, buddy, for putting the pedal of the metal on this show.

[Phil]

Probably in the house.

[Carter Banks]

Yeah, probably chilling at your house. But like God, glorious wonder. Just immensely gracious to be here and to be a part of this convo. Thank you so much, Rick, for coming. Carter, Ben.

[Ben]

Yeah, I gotta say, this has been a really, really pleasant conversation and we ran long not even trying to. So, Rick, thanks for coming out. This is really awesome and I can't wait to continue the convo. Tim. Hope you get better soon, Phil.

[Phil]

I am Phil that Remains on Twix. The band is all that remains. We're going on tour this April. We start in Albany. We're going out with Born of Osiris and With Dead Eyes. You can get tickets at all that remains online.com. you can also sign up for my Patreon. I started writing little op eds and stuff like that. That's patreon.com Phillip Remains. You can check out the band at Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Deezer. Don't forget, the left lane is for crime. Stick around for the Rumble after show which starts in just a few seconds and we will see you tomorrow.